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>> Right. Right. Good evening. Um the

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Hillsboro City Council meeting is now

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called to order. Um the time is um

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3:32

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and um February 9th, Monday. City clerk,

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may we please have the roll call.

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>> Thank you. Mayor Cole Adams,

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>> present.

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» Schwang,

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>> present. Kle,

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>> present.

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>> Braxdale,

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>> present.

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>> Cole,

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>> present.

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Um the first item um today is actually a

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study session which is why we are

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starting at 3:30 and we will be

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returning after close session for the

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regular city council meeting at 6 p.m.

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The study session today is on um water

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rates cost of stud of service study

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which will be introduced by finance

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director Jen Cook. She's here with her

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entire team. Um I'm happy to call their

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names. Uh Rick Simmonson, vice president

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HFN and H Consultants. Gibb Sasser,

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project manager, HF and age consultants

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and lufti karof partners special

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districts and public finance practice

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groups best and creger are available for

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questions. Okay, Jen, good afternoon.

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>> Good. Good afternoon.

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So, we're here today to study the the

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water rates. This is a very draft

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preliminary view and there's no action

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that is required today but we are asking

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for any feedback from the city council

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so that we can then prepare a more

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detailed uh technical report and bring

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that back for review by the city

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council. Um so just a couple of things.

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Um these would be maximum rates that

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would be considered and um should

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circumstances in any one year uh when if

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these were adopted um be more favorable

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then uh city council would have a choice

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of not adopting the maximum rate for

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that year. So again, remember that this

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is a study session, but at some point

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when we get to a proposition 218 notice

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where you will will would be um adopting

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a maximum set of rates. Those would set

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the rates for the five years, but each

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year you you will come back we'll come

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back with a resolution on how much would

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be adopted and it could be anything at

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the max rate level all the way down to

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anything like zero should there not be a

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rate needed in that one year and a rate

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increase in that one year.

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overall that uh the total rates cover

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the costs of the system. This is not a

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profitm

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uh situation where one set of rates

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would give you a different answer than

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another set of rates. We're going to be

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showing you two different options here

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tonight and they would both end up with

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the same resulting revenue and

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expenditures. It's just a matter of how

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those rates are configured. And so just

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to keep that in mind as well. And with

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that, I'm going to hand it over to our

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consultants.

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>> Good evening. Rick Simson, senior vice

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president with HFNH. So we have

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conducted a water and sewer rate study.

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I'll first start with the water and ask

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uh for feedback. If along the way you do

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have a question, please do not hesitate

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So, the purpose of this discussion is to

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uh highlight our preliminary findings

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for our cost of service study with rates

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to become effective July 1 of this year.

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increases for the next five-year period.

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Again, these are revenue increases 6% 6%

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followed by 3 5% to cover increasing

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costs. Again, when we do rate studies,

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the maximum allowed is a five-year

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period. So, we're recommending for the

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next five years.

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restructuring your current rates. You

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have four tiers for your volutric water

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rates. We are presenting here tonight

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the results of bringing that to a

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two-tier or a uniform system. Uh there's

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been recent litigation and court

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findings throughout the state of

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California that has led to refining how

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water rates are sent and they can be in

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conflict with one another. So there is

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still some discretion if you have a

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uniform or two tier and that's why we're

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presenting both here tonight.

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What is driving those initial revenue

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increases over the next five years?

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last January. So we know some sort of

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increase will be due this year and we're

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projecting for July 1, 2026 of this

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year. One of the town's main costs is

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the cost of the water coming from the

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San Francisco Public Utilities

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agreement to purchase water from them.

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Those costs are increasing just this

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year 9% and over the next five years

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they'll increase 23%. So rising water

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costs along with regular inflationary

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increases for your operations and

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maintenance costs including capital

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expenditures and we'll highlight some of

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those projects in the forthcoming slide

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at about 2.9 million per year. In

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addition, there's still current debt uh

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that the city has for past projects that

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will continue through this 5-year

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period. But something that's helping

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offset some of these costs is a about a

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$400,000 reduction in that debt service

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payment in the last year of the next

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five years. So for fiscal year 3031,

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I mentioned the SFPU and their costs

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rising. So this is something that over

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the last few years they've been

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increasing their rates annually. They

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went through a period uh from 2017 to

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2022 where they kept rates the same.

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pay for their projects, but they

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realized that was not sustainable. So

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those costs have been increasing as of

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late and are projected to continue to

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increase. They look at their rates on an

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annual basis. So they've given us some

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projections of what to expect over the

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five years. As I mentioned, 9% this year

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and it'll continue to increase over the

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next five years. The last time rates

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were set were in 2022.

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when we set the rates back in 2022. We

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know they were increasing to that 475,

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but not sure how they would handle those

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increases moving forward. You can see

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some substantial increases increases

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since the last time rates were set.

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have seen the town uh residents and

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businesses using less water, which is a

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good thing. Uh however, that means

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revenues are decreasing along with it.

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about 13 14 years ago was quite high.

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cubic foot is about 750 gallons. So

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there's been a lot of conservation uh

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which is a good thing. We've seen that

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decrease since the last time rates were

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set again in 2022. Took a bit of a dip

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and it's on the rise again. But for this

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rate setting uh five years we've taken

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the average consumption of 1.13 million

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forward. So not a significant increase.

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water even though we're seeing an uptick

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in water sales for this purpose. We're

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trying to be conservative and not bank

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on having those uh increasing sales. So

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it it is in line with the average over

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the last seven years. So we're fairly

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confident.

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uh there's about a million dollars per

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year for just water main replacement.

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street delivering to the households and

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businesses replacing that at a million

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dollars per year. There's a couple more

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significant projects. uh pump station

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generator Clark Concar about 1.6 million

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as well as the Daryl pump line rehab and

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replacement. So these types of projects

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come along uh periodically so they have

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been included here as well about 3

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million 2.973

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per year and that's what's included in

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this analysis. So some major uh rehabs

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service study. Uh the first thing we

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look at as we're analyzing the rates are

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uh staff meeting with staff to

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understand the on andm costs which are

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depicted here in the light blue. Admin

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and O and M costs in the stacked bar

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chart.

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Purchase water costs on the bottom dark

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green there. We want to make sure we can

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cover those costs as well as debt

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service. As I mentioned, there's

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outstanding debt service. So, there's an

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obligation to pay that back and that's

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on the dark uh darker green and the

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light green are capital projects. This

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showed on the previous slide, there's

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necessary projects that should be done

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over the next five years. So, they get

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this gives us a visual of what the total

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costs are over the next five years.

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We've overlaid on that the solid black

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line there which are your revenues at

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current rates. So if you did nothing

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with your rates you can see even in this

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those costs that must uh occur the on

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andm the debt service purchasing the

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water and most of the capital projects.

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needs to be bridged over the next five

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years as that continues to go up and by

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uh we would not be covering the debt

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service as well. So we know some sort of

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increase is necessary

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and some of you may be familiar with

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this chart as we look at this to

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understand how much revenue needs to be

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generated and taking into consideration

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not just those expenses and revenue at

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current rates from the last slide but

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understanding you have reserves. So

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whenever revenues come in more than your

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expenses, they're held in a reserve.

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They can't be used for other town

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purposes. So within the water reserve,

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we're starting uh in June 30, 2025, so

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the end of fiscal year 2425

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just $7 million. So we can utilize some

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of those reserves. And that's what's

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since there hasn't been a rate increase

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So you see the solid green line which

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depicts the fund balance at the end of

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each year assuming the percent increases

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in revenue you see across uh the bottom

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there. If you do nothing, we've depicted

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that with the dotted green line there,

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you'll dip below what we call our

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operating minimum reserve before the end

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of fiscal year 2627 and it'll be fully

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depleted by the end of 2728.

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So we use these as guidelines as

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operating minimum. That's for day-to-day

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operations, keeping in reserves. you can

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pay for uh staff on a day-to-day basis

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as revenue comes in only when build. So

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that's a minimum we never want to see uh

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the fund balance go below incrementally.

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On top of that is a capital reserve to

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help pay for those capital projects or

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emergencies that can come up during the

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year. And that's depicted in the solid

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blue line. So, as we're crafting the

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necessary revenue increases, we try and

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keep that solid green line above that

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red line and approaching the target as

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we do so here by the end of the fifth

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year. So, that's how we got to the

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percent increases you see there.

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Now, revenue increases are different

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than rate increases.

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In this particular case, when you do a

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cost of service, you need to allocate

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costs to each of the respective charges

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and customer classes.

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So currently, how we read this table,

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the current revenue from 2526 rates show

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we get about 12.6 million from

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residential volumetric charges. So

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that's based on how much water you use

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and the non-residential less than a half

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million. The service meter charge is

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that fixed charge before you turn on

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that faucet paid by all customers. So

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roughly currently you're getting about

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71% of that revenue from the volutric

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charge and 29% from the service charge.

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As we've done the cost of service, we

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see costs have shifted between

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residential and non-residential

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volumetric charges where residential's

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coming down, non-residential going up,

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but a large shift of those costs to the

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service or meter charge increasing to

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36%

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of the cost that should be recouped from

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the service or meter charge. So we are

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seeing a shifting of those costs which

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happened during a realignment of a cost

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of service. So though we've mentioned

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and you see there at the bottom right

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hand corner that there's a 6%

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revenue increase

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the rates will change in a different

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manner. Some higher some lower.

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So what does that look like? And I did

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mention we have two different scenarios.

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Whoops.

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First on the left side of the slide

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you'll see the service or fixed meter

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charge. These are charged to your

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customers regardless of how much water

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they use. But it is dependent on the

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capacity in the system that they have

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which is measured by the meter in which

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they need. So it is graduating. The

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smaller the meter, the less fixed charge

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you pay as you're uh using less capacity

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in the system or need less capacity in

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the system. You need a smaller system if

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you have a smaller meter, a much larger

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system to be maintained if you have a

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larger meter. So we are seeing as I

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showed in that previous slide a shift

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and an increase uh more than the 6% in

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the service charge going from 16118 to

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23795 for the 3/4 inch meter.

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looking at the tiered volutric charges.

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We're looking at reducing just a one

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customer class instead of separating by

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monthly by residential and

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non-residential.

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Currently residential has a four tier

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system and non-residential is uniform.

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We've looked at two different scenarios.

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On the right hand side top you'll see we

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have allocated the costs and developed

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tiers with breakpoint of 42 HCF in a

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bimonthly period for customers that are

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build on a bimonthly period

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and that charge would be $9.32

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until you hit 42 units. If you hit 42

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units during that billing period, the

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following units are charged $14.75.

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And that would be the same for the

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monthly customers, which there's a

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handful of residents and the commercial

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businesses. And since that's done on a

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monthly basis, that breakpoint is half

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of the bimonthly. So once you reach 21

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units, you would charge be charged a

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$9.32

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and 1475 once you go over that 21.

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Or alternatively, and as Jan mentioned,

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both of these scenarios generate the

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same revenue.

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So it doesn't harm city staff and doing

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the work they need to get done. that if

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it's a uniform, all customers would be

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charged for each unit of water. Again,

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an HCF is 750 gallons at $11.50.

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So, as you can imagine,

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uh there was a different bill impact

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between which scenario was chosen,

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though again overall the same revenue

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will be generated just differently by

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each customer.

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So with that I have a few slides of

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showing the bill impacts and they can be

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quite significant.

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Here we're showing just those customers.

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There's uh 12 that are build on a

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monthly basis. These residents have

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chosen to be build on a monthly basis.

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So we know what their bills are

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currently with the four tier system. And

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if they use the same amount of water in

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the same months that they did

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previously, we're showing the impacts of

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the two proposed scenarios. First, the

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two-tier and then the far right two

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columns for the uniform charges.

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So, it does vary depending on how much

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water you use and when you use it during

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the year. So, you'll see a significant

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decrease in customer F of about 28,000

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for the year. Again, this is for the

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year or it could be an increase of $922

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for customer J. Again, it depends on how

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much water you use within that each

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monthly period depending on do you hit

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that tier where you pay more or not.

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There are

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also large changes to bills if you go

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uniform. So, we can't avoid uh having

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significant changes, but they do differ

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from customer to customer.

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As large as a $42,000 reduction in their

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annual bills for customer F and 1,400

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for customer J.

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We also have a limited number of

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commercial customers that we've shown

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here as well. This is each commercial

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customer because there's just a handful.

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Again, it does matter which of the two

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scenarios of chain or which of the two

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scenarios

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are chosen.

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$82,000 increase to customer A

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or 24,000 if you choose a uniform.

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That's how you read this table. So

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both options are reasonable and

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defensible,

439
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but we wanted to make sure you had full

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disclosure of the impacts of both of the

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decisions.

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So give you another second to peruse

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this.

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And it's a bit more difficult because

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the rest of your customers that weren't

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on those last two slides are

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residential. So there's nearly 4,000. So

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it's a little bit difficult. We can't

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put them all on one slide and show each

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individual customer's impact. So what

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we've done here on the top, if you look

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at the horizontal line and you look to

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the left, those are the number of

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accounts for each of the two options

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that would see a

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decrease in their bills for the year in

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buckets there. So, starting from that

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horizontal line and looking to the left

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and looking at the two-tiered rate row,

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that's 398

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customers would expect to see a decrease

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in their annual charge between zero or

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$1,000.

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As you go to the left, you'll see the

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numbers of customers begin to decrease.

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114

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would see a decrease between 1,00 and

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2500 and so forth.

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Looking to the right of the horizontal

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line, these

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oh I've been saying horizontal instead

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of vertical.

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So from the vertical line number of

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accounts with annual bill increase

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the bulk of your customers about 85%

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under the two tier will see a bill

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increase

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one to $500 is 1,128

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of that 85%.

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501 to a,000. Most of the residential

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customers, 2,249

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out of the 3988

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and 32 could see increases greater than

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a thousand.

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You look at the uniform rate uh for

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the second option again you will see

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significant increases about 82% in

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total. will see an increase and 18%

489
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would see a decrease in the numbers you

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see there. So there is a bit of a shift

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with the uniform where there's greater

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decreases for example in the 20,000 plus

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one customer in the two-tier versus

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three in the uniform. You'll see a

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similar change as the impacts shift

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to make it a little easier for those uh

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that know their water use. On the bottom

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here we have shown uh average water use

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which is 240 HCF or high water use which

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is two times or low water use half of

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that. Wherever you fit within that

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category you can get an idea of your

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annual impact. Again it depends on how

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much water you use during the year. It's

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those high water use customers under

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both options that will see the decrease.

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So that was a basis of our initial rate

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study. What we always do once we've

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identified what the necessary revenue

510
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increases are, we look at the

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sensitivities. As you know, water use

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can change from year to year. So we like

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to see what could occur with what we're

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recommending, which is depicted here in

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the solid blue line there in the middle.

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what could occur to your fund balance if

517
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,320
water sales increase or decrease? So,

518
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we've just shown a couple here. I think

519
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it gives us comfort when we see

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something like that this that even if

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revenues

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increase because there's a lot more

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water sales and what we projected your

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fund balance is still under the target

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till that fifth year but it remains

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healthy. So, you may contemplate having

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something less than what was projected.

528
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for example, this 5% in the fifth year,

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you may be able to do something less if

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water sales improve. But we're more

531
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,440
concerned with what if there's more

532
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,320
conservation, less water sales, what

533
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,000
would that would do to the fund balance

534
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,720
to fund the operations and capital. So

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we also depict that as well. the dotted

536
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,240
orang-ish and reddish lines you see

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there some various sensitivities

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still above that minimum operating even

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if we see consistent reduction in water

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00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,720
use. So with what we're recommending, we

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do have the two options, but we are

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confident with our projections that

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regardless how the water sales go over

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00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:14,320
the next 5 years that you'll be in good

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00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,919
shape. And if they increase

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significantly

547
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,200
when you're setting rates, those are

548
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,120
just the maximum. You can always do

549
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,120
something less, which was the case about

550
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:25,679
six years ago where council decided not

551
00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:28,000
to increase the rates because it had

552
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:33,029
sufficient revenue.

553
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:34,960
So that's the details of our study and

554
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,960
our preliminary results. I just want to

555
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,279
give you a a timeline of what we will be

556
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:44,080
doing with next steps. So tonight we're

557
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,880
here with a council study session. We're

558
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,799
looking to meet with the FAC in March

559
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,760
2nd, followed by coming back to the

560
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,840
council either March 9th or April 13th

561
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,320
to get approval to send a proposition

562
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,720
218 notice, which is a notice that is

563
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,720
required whenever you're going to

564
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,559
increase rates. So, you notify your

565
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,039
residents and businesses.

566
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:11,200
At that time, you would decide which of

567
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,200
the options.

568
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,159
If we do not decide that tonight,

569
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:19,360
it would be printed on that Prop 218.

570
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,840
Following at least 45 days, which is a

571
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,360
requirement before you have the public

572
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,360
hearing, that would occur either in May

573
00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,679
or June, depending on when the notices

574
00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:30,080
were mailed out. Again, this is all in

575
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,880
an effort to have rates effective July

576
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,789
one of this year.

577
00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:37,520
» Thank you, M.

578
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,440
>> So, let's circle back just real quick.

579
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,360
Circle back to what we're asking you

580
00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,080
for. So I'd like to just summarize uh so

581
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,240
a new rate study was conducted of the

582
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,480
preliminary results that I presented to

583
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,520
you here today for rates to be effective

584
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:56,640
July 1st. We are uh looking for feedback

585
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,360
questions how we may uh answer any of

586
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:01,760
those questions and get your feedback on

587
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,400
which of the two rate scenarios you

588
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,840
would like us to come back with.

589
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,080
Typically we will have a full report

590
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,840
based on the selected scenario. You can

591
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,919
see more of the details how rates are

592
00:27:13,919 --> 00:27:19,110
calculated.

593
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:20,320
» Thank you.

594
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,240
Mr. Simson. Sorry to cut you

595
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,200
off earlier.

596
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,520
>> Um I um I suspect the council have some

597
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000
questions, right? Any of my colleagues

598
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,080
have any clarifying questions for Mr.

599
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,159
Simson? Starting with Council Member

600
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,720
Muang.

601
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,039
>> Thank you. Uh thank you. Great to see

602
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:41,679
everyone in person. This is fantastic.

603
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:44,159
Um so thank you for your presentation.

604
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:48,080
My question is this. Um we're looking at

605
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,919
basically the

606
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,559
purchasing price of the volumes of water

607
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,440
that we need to purchase um and the

608
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,240
capital improvements that we have. And

609
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,559
based on those two factors and the

610
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:06,159
consumers uh even if we purchases the

611
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,679
consumers paying for them right and so

612
00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:12,799
based on that that's how we come about

613
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,279
factoring into

614
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:19,200
um the unit price is that is that that's

615
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:19,440
correct

616
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,279
>> is that in the nutshells how how I

617
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,080
understand this

618
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:22,480
>> yes

619
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,720
>> okay so my question and this this may be

620
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,840
more to our public or director And that

621
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,880
is in the capital improvements. I

622
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,360
noticed that there are several items

623
00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,320
that talk about the demolishing of the

624
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,480
tank and so forth. Are those

625
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,720
a long-term capital improvements? Are

626
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,440
they the demolitions will be placed with

627
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,039
a new tank? Is is that how

628
00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:54,960
I I guess I'm trying to figure out what

629
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,960
is the cost for us to have quality

630
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:06,389
water.

631
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:07,840
Hello. Good evening, Madame Mayor,

632
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,200
members of the council. A great

633
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,960
question. So, like for example, the

634
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,000
demolition of the tanks. It's fully

635
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,440
considering our new tank that's in

636
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,240
service, the Daryl tank, as well as uh

637
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,279
anticipation of our future high water

638
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,279
line, which would make some of our

639
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:26,320
mid-level tanks um redundant or not

640
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,120
necessary. These are 1950s era tanks

641
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:30,960
where we have not spent money to

642
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,200
continue to keep them up. And so our

643
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,039
goal would be to fully decommission them

644
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,440
and not have to continue to spend money

645
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,600
on keeping them.

646
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,279
So that's for that one item,

647
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,679
>> right? And and I guess what I what I'm

648
00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:45,919
trying to uh look at is that for the

649
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:48,240
duration of the next uh five or six

650
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:53,679
years that we're in this cycle of the rate increase uh studies um are

651
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:57,360
those in the in that time frame uh

652
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,120
necessary

653
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,600
and and I said it loosely. I'm not

654
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,720
questioning your professional adjustment

655
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,240
or assessment on that. uh not to where

656
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,880
it's emergency, but it it's good to

657
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,600
remove them if they're in threatened uh

658
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,520
state to where they'll be structurally

659
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,600
deficient or could

660
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,640
again if they're unused then you just

661
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,200
don't let the tank sit there and rust or

662
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:31,440
fall fall apart. So our goal would be to safely decommission that. Uh could we

663
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,080
defer them for a short period of time?

664
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,440
Absolutely. We can look at that if

665
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,360
that's you know one thought. Um items if

666
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,120
you're asking what items maybe the other

667
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:42,399
way is say what items here are

668
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:45,600
absolutely essential. Uh then the water

669
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,440
main replacement program is essential

670
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,440
because as you know we have pipes that

671
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,919
are in our system. We've been here for

672
00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:53,279
over a hundred years. We have pipes in

673
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,120
our system that have been here since

674
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,679
we've been incorporated that do need to

675
00:30:57,679 --> 00:31:00,640
be replaced. uh the

676
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,799
water coding improvement project. That's

677
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,640
essential because those are tanks that

678
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720
we want to continue to serve the

679
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,880
community that are are prone to for

680
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,320
excessive rust and need rehabilitation.

681
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,360
So

682
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:20,399
>> okay, that's the other way. So uh the reason I asked is because again you

683
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:23,360
know uh there are different

684
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,200
uh uh perspectives regarding uh water

685
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,039
conservations versus uh you know uh the

686
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:34,799
payments that we uh pay toward using and

687
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,600
maintaining the high quality of a water

688
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,200
and in the sort of in the sales with the

689
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,919
uh water purchase of uh SFPU

690
00:31:45,919 --> 00:31:48,559
Is there a practice of advanced payments

691
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,640
like anticipating how much volumes that

692
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,519
we will be using um say in the in the

693
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:58,159
summertime is a higher volumes in the

694
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:00,000
winter time is a lower volume. Is there

695
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,919
a sort of a predium as to the price

696
00:32:03,919 --> 00:32:08,159
break or that was not the practice?

697
00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:11,039
>> I can answer this unless you try. So,

698
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:14,320
um, SFPU does their best to predict and

699
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080
I think there was a slide here. If you

700
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:22,310
go back to the SFPU rate,

701
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,080
you'll see between 2017 to 2022, they

702
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,960
had the same exact rate every year.

703
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,480
Although they incurred and they were

704
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,200
underway on their water and improvement

705
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,679
program which was a billion dollar

706
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:37,840
program

707
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,640
they when they had to balance out and

708
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,960
came back to us they hit us with a big

709
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,200
charge. Uh so unfortunately I think the simplest answer is they don't

710
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,039
forecast quite the same way we do. We

711
00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:50,559
try to anticipate over the next five

712
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:52,960
years all of our projects. they've come

713
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,320
back to us with one year unveiling of a really big amount and that's when Bosa

714
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,120
advocates for us and they say can't ask

715
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,279
for a 60% rate how have you spread this

716
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:05,919
out over the next five years so they've

717
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:08,320
given us kind of a early look but what

718
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,919
happens is there's an annual meeting

719
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,000
that happens in the end of February with

720
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,000
all the water managers and account

721
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,159
holders and that will occur in the next

722
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:18,640
two weeks and then they'll unveil just

723
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,679
this year's rate increase no guarant

724
00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:23,679
guarantees beyond that.

725
00:33:23,679 --> 00:33:26,320
>> Thank you. That's all I have right now.

726
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,360
>> Thank you, Council Member Schwang.

727
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,960
Council member Adams, any questions?

728
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,720
>> Uh, yes. Thank you. Um, Paul, don't go

729
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,360
too far. Uh, wouldn't it make some sense

730
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,640
for us to have that information about

731
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,559
what this year's rate is going to be if

732
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:49,590
it's just two weeks away?

733
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,440
» Great question. I think timing is

734
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720
everything. Um certainly before we have

735
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,880
our next meeting, we'll get the official

736
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,480
stamp on that.

737
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,960
>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Uh I have a

738
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,200
couple more questions.

739
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,280
>> Thank you. Very nice to meet you in real

740
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:14,550
>> IRL. Yes. Um

741
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,839
uh the projected increases

742
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:21,359
that you have on this same slide vary

743
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:26,079
quite a bit uh from 53 cents to 19 cents

744
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,240
to 20 2020 20. So those are all

745
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,639
suppositions correct

746
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,919
>> with the exception of the 2026. This is

747
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:39,119
July 1, 2026 rate that will be charged.

748
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,639
They've received, the town has received

749
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,679
notice of this is the maximum that it

750
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,440
could be charged. They're still hedging

751
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,599
their bets that it may be less, but this

752
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,839
is the maximum they said they will

753
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:52,800
charge. And then we've looked back at

754
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,800
some of the increases and tried to

755
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,200
project around a 3 to 4% annual

756
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,000
increase, not knowing exact. Uh so

757
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,599
that's at least built into the analysis.

758
00:35:03,599 --> 00:35:06,320
And there is a provision in Proposition

759
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,200
218 that once we divulge what the

760
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,839
assumption is, if for example it goes up

761
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:15,280
by one dime over the $6.52

762
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,280
in 2028, the town can pass that through

763
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,359
without going through this process again

764
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,680
since it's a pass through cost.

765
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,400
>> And are these then reflected in the

766
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,560
66555%?

767
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,040
Yes.

768
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,079
>> Okay. So on a chart like this when it

769
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,839
doesn't say percentages, it would be

770
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:37,280
great to include that information.

771
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,880
I'm new, so I I get to try to sit there

772
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,560
with my little calculator and figure

773
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,560
everything out. Um,

774
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:51,599
on the next slide, water demand has

775
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:56,240
declined from previous rates study

776
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:00,640
uh except for last year. Last year we

777
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,280
increased we actually were beyond our

778
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,960
projections.

779
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,000
So how are we to decide whether that's a

780
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,160
trend or an anomaly?

781
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,400
>> That's the difficulty because of mother

782
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,640
nature with a lot of precipitation, less

783
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,880
water use. So we have to do our best

784
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,440
with the projections.

785
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,720
>> But in fact we had a lot of water. We

786
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,760
had good rain and in fact we sold more

787
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,599
water which is I think what we want to

788
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,440
do is sell the maximum amount of water

789
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,000
>> from the Oh absolutely. Uh you can't

790
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,119
control how much people use. Um the last

791
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,640
study when this was looked at the

792
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,640
assumption moving forward is 1.2

793
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,880
million. So that's where I mentioned

794
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,560
we've seen a decrease even though it's

795
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,640
increased the last couple years. Will it

796
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,680
ever get back to that amount? We are

797
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,560
projecting at this point the best guess

798
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:57,760
1.13 million.

799
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,800
>> I mean historical a historical peak of

800
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,880
this magnitude would be an anomaly that

801
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,960
you'd throw out in a study because

802
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,880
>> Oh, correct. We did not include that.

803
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,040
>> Yeah. So, uh, the next slide, uh, you

804
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:15,280
have future capital projects and you

805
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,440
don't have any until 2030,

806
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,200
at which point uh, you project $2.5

807
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,520
million worth of capital projects.

808
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,320
How how did you come to that?

809
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,320
>> Yeah, absolutely. So working with the

810
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,400
town, they have a current five-year

811
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,240
program, but this is this 2627 is the

812
00:37:38,240 --> 00:37:41,440
second year. So it goes through 2930.

813
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,839
And speaking with staff looking to

814
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:46,400
project for 3031 since we are looking at

815
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,599
a fiveyear, that's the average they've

816
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:51,280
are projecting to spend over the next

817
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,200
four years. So it's just uh extending

818
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,000
that uh average to the fifth year.

819
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,480
So no specific projects have been

820
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,320
identified for that 2.5 million though

821
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,640
in 2030 that's why it's escalated to 2.9

822
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,200
million. So the specific projects if

823
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,839
Paul has some in mind I'm sure he can

824
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,480
elaborate on that but again the

825
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:23,750
five-year CIP only went through 2930.

826
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:30,240
» Okay. Um, the next question is on

827
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,280
uh slide, it's hard for me to say. It's

828
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,000
either page 10, slide nine, or page

829
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,920
nine, slide 12. I don't know.

830
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,520
>> I'll go slowly. You can tell me

831
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:40,079
>> that one.

832
00:38:40,079 --> 00:38:41,040
>> This one.

833
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,640
>> All right.

834
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,440
Uh, this is an interesting way of

835
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000
presenting this material because you

836
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,560
really have to think through what you're

837
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,400
trying to tell us here. Um, in actual

838
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,480
fact,

839
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,040
tell me about this difference at the

840
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,440
end. That's that's the really critical

841
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,160
part.

842
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,920
>> Yeah, absolutely. So, the reason we

843
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,320
include this in all of our studies, we

844
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,320
everybody asks what's the rate increase

845
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,240
and that's why we're careful to say

846
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:13,599
revenue increase for a cost of service

847
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,640
year. And so, this ties back to we keep

848
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,000
saying 6% 6%. So this demonstrates that

849
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,720
overall what the town will see is an

850
00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,359
increase in revenue of 6%.

851
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,160
But it will be borne by the rates in a

852
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,800
different manner depending on which rate

853
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,880
we're talking of. So we read this as the

854
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,520
residential volumetric charge the

855
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,880
revenue generated from that currently

856
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,960
exceeds the cost of service. So those

857
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,560
volumetric charges, revenue from those

858
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,960
rates will actually bring in less money

859
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:57,119
that's being uh covered by an increase

860
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,920
in the non-residential

861
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,320
and an increase in the service or meter

862
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,119
charge. So again, it's at the cost of

863
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:06,640
service, you have to allocate the cost

864
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,079
into the services that are being

865
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,800
provided. So we know it's not always

866
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,599
exactly 6%. Some's going to be higher,

867
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,320
some's going to be less. In this year,

868
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,440
it's quite a disparity. Um, the service

869
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,000
meter charge is going up significantly,

870
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,839
bringing in 36% of your revenue because

871
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:27,680
of

872
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,960
a fire service that had previously been

873
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,800
collected through the volumetric charge

874
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,520
for public fire protection. Uh, the

875
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,119
courts have said, you really need to

876
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,119
look at those, discern what those costs

877
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,359
are. they should be paid equally by each

878
00:40:41,359 --> 00:40:43,040
customer and you do that through the

879
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,920
fixed charge. So those costs now are in

880
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,680
the fixed charge where previously they

881
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,520
were in the volumetric. So that's why we

882
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,640
see this realignment.

883
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,520
>> Well, the next slide shows the fixed

884
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:56,480
charges.

885
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,119
>> Yes, it does.

886
00:40:57,119 --> 00:41:00,240
>> And this has an interesting

887
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,920
for me. uh if you look on the service

888
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,760
charge the proposed charges don't

889
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,359
actually all go up. There's a point and

890
00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:13,040
in fact when you explain this you said

891
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:18,079
the larger the meter size the more it

892
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:20,240
will go up but in fact it doesn't. It

893
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:24,560
actually at a certain point at 3 in goes

894
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,680
down in your projection and in the six

895
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,200
inch and the 8 inch.

896
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,079
>> Yeah. So, let me Yeah, I should have

897
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:33,680
explained that while I was on the slide,

898
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,839
so I'm glad you brought it up. And my

899
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:38,319
comment about that it's increasing is

900
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:42,000
specific to the rates that are increases

901
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,839
with the size of the meter regardless.

902
00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:47,280
So 161, it's going to get larger as you

903
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,280
go down. Not the increase is going to

904
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,319
get larger. So I apologize if my I

905
00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:54,319
misspoke because you're right, some are

906
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:57,040
increasing, some are going down. So when

907
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440
we develop the fixed service charges,

908
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,800
it's made up of two components. A fixed

909
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,680
component within that fixed charge that

910
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,480
regardless of how much flow you have,

911
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,319
you should pay the same as your

912
00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:13,280
neighbor. Whoever has an 8 in should pay

913
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,359
the same as somebody with the one inch.

914
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:18,480
Those sorts of costs, customer service

915
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,520
billing, you get one bill with the same

916
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,040
stamp on it than your neighbor does,

917
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,200
regardless of your meter charge. And

918
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,440
those fire flow costs are also included

919
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,119
there. Everybody's getting the same

920
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:32,079
protection. Therefore, they pay the same

921
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:34,880
amount for those costs. Then there's a

922
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,520
capacity component based on the size of

923
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,720
the meter. The capital costs that you're

924
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,560
maintaining. You can picture as if

925
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,280
everybody had 3/4 inch meter and didn't

926
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,880
use much water, you could have a pipe

927
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,839
this size. But if you've got 8 inch

928
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,440
meters, they have a lot more demand. You

929
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,119
need a pipe this size that's in the

930
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:56,960
ground to serve both of those customers.

931
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,880
Well, who should pay more for having to

932
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,200
maintain a larger system and that's why

933
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,680
it's graduated and gets larger. So, this

934
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,720
is a realignment again from the last

935
00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:11,359
study that occurred to how costs have

936
00:43:11,359 --> 00:43:13,760
changed and how they should be recouped.

937
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,680
So, there's more on that fixed kind of

938
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,680
account charge that everybody should pay

939
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,240
for. So you're seeing increases in the

940
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,200
smaller meters but decreases in the

941
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,390
larger meters.

942
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,800
» So the larger meters, what you're saying

943
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,359
is, if I get it correctly, the larger

944
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,599
meters are going to pay more obviously,

945
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:39,599
but relatively they're going to have a

946
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,000
smaller

947
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,000
increase. In fact, they won't even have

948
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,760
an increase. They're going to have a

949
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,599
>> for their service charge. will have a

950
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,920
decrease and then their volutric

951
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,040
depending on how much water they use

952
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,920
they'll see an increase on that charge.

953
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,839
>> That's over on the right. Correct. I'm I'm still trying to figure out the

954
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:02,160
left. Yes. Okay.

955
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,680
>> Um

956
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,880
All right. And then if you go three more

957
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,440
slides, I think we'll get to customer

958
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,950
bill impacts.

959
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,880
This This is the one.

960
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,160
>> Again, I'm with my little calculator.

961
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,280
>> Yes. at trying to do an Excel

962
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,640
spreadsheet so that I can really look

963
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,920
at not what the current bill is,

964
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,200
but exactly and and not what the current

965
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,400
bill is annually, but what the customer

966
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,640
is going to see on the bill they

967
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,520
receive, whether they're bimonthly or

968
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:43,520
monthly.

969
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,280
So, I'm I'm dividing these up to really

970
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,040
see the impact that is going to be

971
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,480
reflected in the bill.

972
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,079
And I would like you to do that for me

973
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,160
so that I'm not trying to figure that

974
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,200
out because I think that's going to be

975
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,680
where we're as a council going to hear

976
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,319
from people when they look at that bill.

977
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:09,599
They're not going to think about the

978
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,920
year. they're going to think about right

979
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,599
now.

980
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,640
So, that's information I would like to

981
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,359
see presented. I also would like to see

982
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:22,000
the mean

983
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,680
because that will help us see how many

984
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,240
calls we're going to get and u just be a

985
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,079
little more accurate because we're

986
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:34,480
talking and I'll just say my

987
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,079
perspective.

988
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,920
We've been wrestling with this since

989
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,880
2020. We've been going to court. We've

990
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,960
been losing. We've been trying to figure

991
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,839
out the right thing. We have neighbors

992
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:49,119
who've been advised that they should go

993
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:52,240
with a flat rate.

994
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,280
We're trying to figure out very specific

995
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,200
things. So the more data we have,

996
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,800
the better we will protect our citizens

997
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,560
and also make it possible for us to make

998
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,200
the very best decision. So sorry to go

999
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,839
through all the slides. I didn't even go

1000
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:15,440
through all the slides that I had

1001
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,680
questions on. But the more data we have

1002
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,520
that is the way our customers, our

1003
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,240
citizens are going to see it,

1004
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,800
I think the better decision we'll be

1005
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,640
able to make.

1006
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,440
>> We we appreciate the comments. It It's

1007
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,280
always nice when you get a fresh set of

1008
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,000
eyes. As we're in this day in day out

1009
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,280
for 25 years, we sometimes forget to see

1010
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,000
it through the lens of a rateayer. So

1011
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,839
those comments are much appreciated.

1012
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:50,079
Thank you, Council Member Adams. Um,

1013
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,079
Council Member Crow, any questions?

1014
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,440
>> Thank you. Yes. And I'll try and be

1015
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:54,720
brief because I know we have to get to

1016
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:58,400
sewer, too. Um, so to try and be fair to

1017
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:04,640
the large water users. Um, uh, we've talked about this before that

1018
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,400
there may be some who have large

1019
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,400
properties who are actually using less

1020
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,640
water per acre than people with smaller

1021
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,640
properties. Are we able if we wanted to

1022
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,160
calculate that and charge them at a

1023
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:19,920
lower rate if they are in fact

1024
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,880
conserving or under 218? If they're

1025
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,040
using that much water, we have to charge

1026
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,430
them at that rate.

1027
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,960
» Um, thank you for the question. I can

1028
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,960
weigh in on that one. So, Proposition

1029
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,880
218, unfortunately, it does not allow

1030
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,160
for conservation to be used as the basis

1031
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,160
for how you allocate costs. So um

1032
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:43,839
generally you have to calculate the cost

1033
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:46,000
on a parcel basis. Whatever the size of

1034
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,880
the parcel

1035
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,640
>> so whatever they're using that's the

1036
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,160
volume that Thank you. Right.

1037
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,560
>> And then uh to build on that we brought

1038
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,119
this up before we have some customers

1039
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,680
who have 2inch pipes that they were

1040
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,760
inquire required to install for their

1041
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:01,920
fire sprinkler system but they actually

1042
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,760
don't use water at a greater rate. But

1043
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,640
it can we give them relief on their

1044
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,760
service charge?

1045
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,920
>> Yes, that is something that you can have

1046
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,560
a policy to reflect that this is upsized

1047
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,079
for that fireflow if they can

1048
00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:20,000
demonstrate they don't utilize that. And

1049
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,400
typically in the jurisdictions that

1050
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,359
we've seen it that's monitored. So if

1051
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:27,680
they oops I accidentally went over. So,

1052
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,079
it is monitored to make sure you can

1053
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,480
stay within that smaller, but you can

1054
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,880
make a policy to

1055
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,520
um utilize that when it comes to the

1056
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,280
service charge so you're not paying that

1057
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:40,800
full amount.

1058
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,240
>> Thank you. I think that would be fair.

1059
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:44,400
And then just I think that I'm sorry to

1060
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:45,599
interject. Um

1061
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:47,119
>> I'm sorry. Could you just finish your

1062
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:48,319
question then you can comment?

1063
00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:51,200
>> Interject on based on her questions. I I

1064
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,079
think that we over the years have adjust

1065
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:57,200
uh because of the the pipe size that

1066
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,359
people were concerned that we did adjust

1067
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:00,640
it. Um

1068
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,640
>> we were looking at it. We were looking

1069
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,640
at we haven't we haven't apology.

1070
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,280
>> Yeah. Just um one uh council member at a

1071
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,599
time speaking please. Um go ahead Paul.

1072
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:12,319
Do you have

1073
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:14,559
>> to clarify both uh we looked into it. We

1074
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,960
know all of those folks that are

1075
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,440
impacted that have the larger pipe, the

1076
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,559
larger meter, but that use water at a

1077
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,200
smaller volume comparable to an inch

1078
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:27,359
meter. So, we have that information,

1079
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:29,040
>> but we haven't enacted it.

1080
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,119
>> Yeah, I would recommend we enact that,

1081
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:32,640
but so thank you. I'm glad that you

1082
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,079
thought that we were doing it already.

1083
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:36,480
And then one last quick question. If we

1084
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,680
don't approve these increases, would

1085
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,880
that affect our bond rating?

1086
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,319
It's probably a jam question

1087
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:48,400
because we do have we still have our AAA

1088
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,800
bond rating, right?

1089
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,680
It's some we will need water rate

1090
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,200
increases. Um and the question would be

1091
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,280
when would that become critical for our

1092
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,720
bonds, right? Um so you can see on on

1093
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,040
this slide here at the bottom the debt

1094
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,119
coverage ratio

1095
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,960
uh goes from 2.15 upward. And so we need

1096
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,040
to keep a ratio of of 1.2. So we're well

1097
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,280
within it with this scenario. This um

1098
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,800
the rates as proposed here are going to

1099
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,599
be more about covering our operations

1100
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:28,960
and our capital needs um because it does

1101
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:30,400
appear that we're going to be within our

1102
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,000
debt service coverage. It's a great

1103
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:32,640
question though.

1104
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:33,760
>> That's all I have. Madam

1105
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,200
>> and thank you, Council Member Crowley.

1106
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,559
Um Vice Mayor Rexdale.

1107
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,960
>> Thank you. Um again uh like others have

1108
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,119
said so good to see you in person and uh

1109
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:44,800
thank you for the detailed analysis and

1110
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,480
also thank you for giving us the slides

1111
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,960
in advance is always um super helpful to

1112
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,440
see them in advance. Um I'm going to try

1113
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,160
to ask uh questions with quick answers

1114
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,880
because I I know um we're maybe running

1115
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,559
out of time and we need to get to sewer.

1116
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,559
Um first question is um we usually do

1117
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:05,599
this the bigger cost of service analysis

1118
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:09,119
every five years and this for water not

1119
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:12,400
sewers is we're on an earlier schedule.

1120
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:13,839
Is that

1121
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:15,920
>> that's correct?

1122
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,079
>> Um and um I understand there's probably

1123
00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:22,160
many reasons for that so we don't need

1124
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,960
to go into that. Um, I noticed in the

1125
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,720
capital improvement projects the

1126
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,440
highline wasn't up there. Is that

1127
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,200
because it's

1128
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,040
under a different budget category?

1129
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,640
Thank you. That's a great question. Uh,

1130
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,440
we actually have assumed that that would

1131
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160
get approved, you know, for for

1132
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,559
assumptions of this rate study and that

1133
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,520
the it would be financed with a

1134
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,480
short-term loan during the last two

1135
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,280
years of this analysis. So, it's not

1136
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,119
known as a capital spending because that

1137
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,200
would be what we spend, but we would

1138
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,359
actually be getting in proceeds from the

1139
00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:02,160
short-term loan and paying debt service.

1140
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,240
So, that's why it's not shown on here.

1141
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,440
>> Okay. Thank you.

1142
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,680
>> Um,

1143
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,359
okay. This is a question I've had for a

1144
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:13,040
long time and this is goes in the

1145
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,720
category of there's no such thing as a

1146
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:16,880
stupid question, I hope. Um, we talk

1147
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:18,720
about pipe size and we talk about meter

1148
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,920
size. Is that the same thing? I think

1149
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,520
the meter is the little the thing

1150
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,480
outside your house that can be read, but

1151
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,599
that's not a pipe.

1152
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,000
>> So, it connects to a pipe, what we call

1153
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,839
a service, and that size of that service

1154
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:38,559
>> is different for each meter size about

1155
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:40,400
the capacity of what you can get.

1156
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,400
>> So, it's what is on the other side of

1157
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,800
that pipe that has the other side of the

1158
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,720
meter that has a different size.

1159
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:47,119
>> That's correct.

1160
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:48,400
>> Because I'm like, I think our meters are

1161
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,040
all the same size. Okay. Uh thank you.

1162
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,680
Um that is helpful. Um then um with

1163
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,880
regard to I think this is this the same

1164
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:00,000
question I have for two different

1165
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,280
things. um one is the um the

1166
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,960
service charge and one is the two-tier

1167
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,720
and given uh the various court opinions

1168
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:17,040
and all of that um how do we justify

1169
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,800
different service charges and different

1170
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,880
potentially if we went this way

1171
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,400
two-tiered

1172
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:31,109
um different charges based on meter

1173
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:32,800
I don't know if you want to answer it be

1174
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,680
legal.

1175
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,319
>> Yeah, I can I can weigh in. So, there

1176
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:38,559
are a lot of different court opinions

1177
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,079
floating around sort of in the

1178
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,720
atmosphere right now and they've all

1179
00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:45,119
kind of had different approaches as to

1180
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,599
how you allocate costs. Uh, with respect

1181
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,240
to a two-tier structure, um, there's

1182
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,079
kind of two general principles that that

1183
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,559
would hopefully accomplish. Number one

1184
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:56,480
is that you want to make sure that

1185
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,720
you're allocating costs based on the

1186
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:00,319
proportional cost of service which

1187
00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:02,559
includes you know the cost of the

1188
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,359
infrastructure particularly your storage

1189
00:54:05,359 --> 00:54:07,440
your pumping and your distribution

1190
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,680
that's designed at a larger level in

1191
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,160
order to meet varying levels of demand.

1192
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:14,240
Um doing it in a two-tier structure

1193
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:16,079
tries to kind of simplify it a little

1194
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:18,800
bit and makes it really focused on the

1195
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,319
data that the town has. Um, there's also

1196
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:24,880
the other side of sort of the various

1197
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,240
court opinions that have been

1198
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,280
circulating, which is that you have to

1199
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,680
make sure not only that your larger

1200
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,359
users aren't subsidizing your smaller

1201
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:36,240
users, but also that your smaller users

1202
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:39,040
are not subsidizing your larger users by

1203
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,839
having, for example, this the cost of a

1204
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:44,000
system that's already been built, but

1205
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,760
that was built to accommodate multiple

1206
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:47,920
levels of usage

1207
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,240
Latin for everybody. So the idea behind

1208
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:53,200
the two-tier structure um as would be

1209
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:54,800
explained in the rate study would be

1210
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,319
that would be a means of accomplishing

1211
00:54:56,319 --> 00:54:59,760
both of those goals.

1212
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,160
>> Could it could it be argu Thank you. Uh

1213
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,960
could it be argued that under a uniform

1214
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,960
rate structure really you would want

1215
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,920
uniform service charges? So the service

1216
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,599
charge is a little bit different because

1217
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,359
the service charge looks at the size of

1218
00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:15,839
the meter that serves the parcel and it

1219
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:18,480
takes sort of the maximum

1220
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,400
demand that that could place on the

1221
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,040
system and so as the meters get larger

1222
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,720
they have the capacity to place more

1223
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,599
demand on the system and those go only

1224
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,720
to the fixed costs that the town incurs

1225
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:32,640
in order to meet those varying levels of

1226
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,640
demand. So the way that they're

1227
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,760
increased, those are based off of what

1228
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:40,640
are called meter capacity ratios that

1229
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,800
look at the maximum demand that each of

1230
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,400
those meter sizes can place on the

1231
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,319
system and increase them exponentially

1232
00:55:46,319 --> 00:55:48,319
based off of what you know as you get

1233
00:55:48,319 --> 00:55:50,079
larger. It's not like a one to two sort

1234
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,240
of ratio. It's

1235
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:53,839
bigger because it's a you know it's a

1236
00:55:53,839 --> 00:55:57,680
circle. Um and so so that that has

1237
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,559
actually not really been an issue in the

1238
00:56:00,559 --> 00:56:02,880
courts. Um I think the courts have been

1239
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,040
pretty comfortable with those thus far

1240
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,240
where the courts have had differing opinions is really on the

1241
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:09,920
volume side.

1242
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,000
>> Okay, that is extremely helpful. Thank

1243
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,400
you. Um sir uh the last thing quick

1244
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,000
comment on uh your presentation the

1245
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,839
customer bill impacts by monthly

1246
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:21,359
residential

1247
00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:24,799
uh slide 13

1248
00:56:24,799 --> 00:56:28,240
on the bottom where you have um are you

1249
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:32,319
very low low average and high um I found

1250
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,960
that super helpful so I I love council

1251
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,160
member Adam's suggestions also for um

1252
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,240
rateayers but um I think this maybe

1253
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:44,640
adding to it a little bit for her

1254
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,040
suggestions like where where am I? I

1255
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,200
don't know right how many how many I use

1256
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,880
but you know I kind of have an idea

1257
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,200
where I fit and so I I just I found that

1258
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,520
super um helpful and thank you.

1259
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,119
>> Thank you.

1260
00:56:57,119 --> 00:56:59,040
>> Um thank you Vice Mayor Rexdale. Um

1261
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,359
thanks for the presentation. Um just a

1262
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:02,960
couple of clarifying points and thanks

1263
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,559
to all the questions posed by my

1264
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,319
colleagues. Um what I didn't quite

1265
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:10,319
understand in the presentation is the

1266
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:13,280
actual cost for the actual operating

1267
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,480
cost to have a larger volume. I mean was

1268
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,710
that embedded in the on&m?

1269
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,000
» Apologies.

1270
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,440
>> I think it's I think

1271
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,520
>> so reviewing are you referring to a

1272
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,599
two-tier system? What costs are there

1273
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,520
the incremental costs in order to charge

1274
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,520
more per unit? Correct.

1275
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,000
>> Yes. Those are on andm costs and even

1276
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,400
some capital costs that are necessary

1277
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,440
for a larger system for when there are

1278
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,920
times of peaking. So you only pay that

1279
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,000
when you actually need to utilize that

1280
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,079
larger system.

1281
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:51,920
>> Okay. I think what I would like

1282
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:56,000
clarification on is if everyone was on

1283
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,720
the two-tiered system, what would the

1284
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,720
capacity

1285
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,319
what would be required in terms of

1286
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:04,160
capacity? How how would that affect our

1287
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,200
total expenditures

1288
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,200
comparatively?

1289
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:11,599
Let's just assume everybody uses a

1290
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,400
thousand cubic feet. I don't know I

1291
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,920
didn't have the right units here.

1292
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,319
>> It's it's based on historic water use

1293
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:21,040
and when they peak

1294
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:22,880
>> so it's also using peaking, not just

1295
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,000
volumetric.

1296
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:24,640
>> Yes.

1297
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,480
>> Okay. the volumetric

1298
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,760
>> because sort of what I'm hearing is

1299
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,839
given that there's certain factors that

1300
00:58:31,839 --> 00:58:34,720
are beyond our control such as how much

1301
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,720
rain we have, how much water storage the

1302
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,920
state has, that is well obviously the

1303
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,359
state can't control that either to some

1304
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:44,960
degree. The cost of purchasing the water

1305
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,720
is really going to be beyond our

1306
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,319
control. That's going to continue

1307
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:49,760
historically it's continued to go up

1308
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,119
even by smaller numbers. So if the cost

1309
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:55,599
continues to go up and we were to hit

1310
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,200
another drought session, which is

1311
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,760
inevitable because of weather patterns,

1312
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:00,240
>> yeah,

1313
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,160
>> the demand will continue to fall even

1314
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,440
more precipitously. So your gap between

1315
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,200
your revenue and your expenditure will

1316
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,680
continue to grow. So I think what I

1317
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,359
would like in our subsequent

1318
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:14,480
conversation is what infrastructure

1319
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,200
costs because that's all we can control.

1320
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,280
What infrastructure costs can we

1321
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,319
mitigate on the front end to stabilize

1322
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:24,480
or never be able to stabilize 100% is

1323
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,400
the point I'm trying to make, but at

1324
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,760
least to predictably say

1325
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:32,079
this is what it's going to cost us to

1326
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,400
provide unlimited amount of water for

1327
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,400
whoever wants to demand unlimited amount

1328
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,079
of water because we can't cap how much

1329
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,079
water everyone has.

1330
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,400
>> If you want 10 times more than the next

1331
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,119
door neighbor, you can have it. But what

1332
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:47,520
costs are embedded in that cap in that

1333
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,520
infrastructure? Because that it seems

1334
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,599
like that's all we can control the cost

1335
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:53,280
of water from the states

1336
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:53,839
>> can control.

1337
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:55,839
>> We can control that. How much water we

1338
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:58,079
have yearto year, we can control that.

1339
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:00,640
>> Um and certainly we can control the

1340
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,720
demand. I mean if people want to use a

1341
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,760
lot of water and they want to pay for

1342
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,680
it, that's fine. So I think I would just

1343
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,280
like more information on the

1344
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:10,640
infrastructure. Yeah. what what costs

1345
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,799
are we able to manipulate or change to

1346
01:00:14,799 --> 01:00:16,799
create some predictability with regards

1347
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:20,960
to our cost. Um but anyways, excellent

1348
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:22,960
presentation. I don't have any further

1349
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:24,319
questions. I understand we have to move

1350
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:26,880
on to um the other study session unless

1351
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,680
there's additional comments from staff.

1352
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,440
I see our city manager is looking at me

1353
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,559
like um he wants to tell he wants to

1354
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:36,960
clarify something for me. Oh.

1355
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,839
>> Oh, go ahead, Jen, please.

1356
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:41,680
Yes.

1357
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:45,839
>> So, just to summarize a bit, uh when we

1358
01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:48,559
bring this back, we will be putting in

1359
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,559
more transparency on bill impacts. We

1360
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:57,040
will be looking at um like a usage that

1361
01:00:57,040 --> 01:01:00,480
is below like a policy as described by

1362
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:05,599
uh council member Kick. And um we will

1363
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,359
be

1364
01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:10,319
looking just one last time today to see

1365
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:13,440
if there is any kind of initial

1366
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:19,760
direction on one of the two avenues for

1367
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,000
um going with a uniform rate or a

1368
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,720
two-tiered rate. If there is not, we'll

1369
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,640
be writing a report and bringing that

1370
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:30,160
back with um with more analysis and um

1371
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,680
transparency.

1372
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:32,720
>> Okay.

1373
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,040
>> Yeah. Yes. Council I miss Vice Mayor

1374
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,920
Rexdale. A quick question for that. Um

1375
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:41,760
I don't I think I know the answer, but I

1376
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,440
wanted to ask because I actually don't

1377
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,880
know the answer. Um, is there a way like

1378
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,680
we could like if we decided we want to

1379
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,839
go with the two-tier and then the

1380
01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:55,599
government, the California Supreme Court

1381
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:59,040
says no two no two-tier ever not allowed

1382
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,599
that we could come back and change to

1383
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:04,640
uniform in in a year the next time we

1384
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,720
discuss rates or is that a five-year

1385
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,750
situation?

1386
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,480
It would just require a new 218.

1387
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,440
Okay, thank you. Um, the next president.

1388
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:17,440
Yes, Council Adams. Okay.

1389
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,000
>> Yes.

1390
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,280
>> You know, Jen, we actually didn't really

1391
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,680
have much conversation about which of

1392
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,559
the scenarios we would like you to come

1393
01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:29,760
back with. Is there a possibility that

1394
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:32,799
we could just come back again with both?

1395
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:34,240
Because I think there were questions

1396
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,240
about details that would help us with

1397
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,240
that analysis.

1398
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:41,119
I'm just raising.

1399
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:41,760
>> Yeah.

1400
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,160
>> And that's a very good thought. Um we

1401
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:47,040
have um uh sort of goal setting,

1402
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:48,400
strategic planning. Is there any

1403
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:49,920
possibility we can elaborate on the

1404
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,200
subject at that point? Um certainly our

1405
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,599
consultants could join us remotely if

1406
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:58,160
possible, if needed. I'm not sure in

1407
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,160
terms of the calendar, but that's a good

1408
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,839
point. Maybe we can look into it to see

1409
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:04,000
how we can come back with more details.

1410
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:08,400
Yeah, I would say the goal initially for staff and our and our experts over

1411
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,960
here, the goal was to pick a direction

1412
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:12,640
as to which way we want to sort of

1413
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,520
invest the remainder of our experts time

1414
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:16,799
here to bring forth something, whether

1415
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:19,359
that be a uniform or two-tiered. If if

1416
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:20,720
that's not a decision that we're

1417
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,400
comfortable getting into today without

1418
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,079
some more information, we would set up a

1419
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,000
future meeting to answer some of the

1420
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,599
questions that you brought up. But if

1421
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:29,839
you're asking what was staff looking

1422
01:03:29,839 --> 01:03:32,559
for, it it was one one of the two, but

1423
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:34,079
it sounds like we're at a position now

1424
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,319
where we're having a an understanding of

1425
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:37,920
the two of them, but we need some more

1426
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,920
information. And I would ask our experts

1427
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:43,280
here, do you have the enough information

1428
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,680
from the council to come back with with

1429
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,069
some of the questions they had?

1430
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:51,920
» Yes, we do.

1431
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,760
>> Yeah. And I think you you're right in

1432
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,200
summarizing it. We do need more

1433
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,960
information and thanks for looking into

1434
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:57,760
it further.

1435
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,760
>> Yeah. And as to the methodology of that,

1436
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:01,359
whether that's at a at an additional

1437
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:04,000
study session or maybe setting some

1438
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:05,520
additional time at a at a future

1439
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:06,880
meeting, you know, we can certainly get

1440
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,200
together with these uh experts and come

1441
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,480
up with a plan for it.

1442
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:16,470
>> Okay. Thank you, city manager. Okay,

1443
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,760
we will now move on to

1444
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,160
sewer rates. Thank you. Hello, Mr.

1445
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,960
Santgo. Good afternoon, Madam Cole. Um,

1446
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:27,520
and council. So, the other portion of

1447
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,280
the study session is the sewer rate

1448
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,400
study. Um, just a quick background, the

1449
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:35,200
last time we adopted a 218 for the sewer

1450
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,799
rates was June of 2021. We did use all

1451
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:41,200
five years of the rate series. We

1452
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,359
adopted the last one in July. And so,

1453
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:44,799
that's why we're doing the new study

1454
01:04:44,799 --> 01:04:48,799
again with HF&H and Gabe will be uh

1455
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:52,549
presenting it.

1456
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:55,039
Good evening. I'm Gabe Sasser, project

1457
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,599
manager with HFNH. I want to apologize

1458
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,520
in advance for how quickly I might go

1459
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,599
through these slides.

1460
01:05:01,599 --> 01:05:04,480
I'll look forward to your questions.

1461
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:06,880
So, the purpose of today's presentation

1462
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,520
is to present our preliminary analysis

1463
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,359
of the five-year schedule of sewer

1464
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:13,200
rates, which would be implemented as

1465
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:18,069
early as July 1, 2026.

1466
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:20,079
Uh there's two main takeaways from this

1467
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,559
presentation. One, projections indicate

1468
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:25,440
that the revenue increases

1469
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,079
ranging between two and three% are

1470
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,319
needed over the next 5 years. And I'll

1471
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:33,119
provide more detail as to why. The

1472
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:36,240
second takeaway is that in looking at

1473
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,039
the cost of service, we reanalyzed the

1474
01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:42,880
residential indoor water use.

1475
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,240
And in doing so, uh, this is going to

1476
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,720
result in commercial bills increasing by

1477
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:52,319
more than residential customers bills.

1478
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:55,280
And that is because, uh, sewer charges

1479
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,119
are based on a single family dwelling

1480
01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,079
equivalent, what's known as one .edu.

1481
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:03,119
And that one .edu is reflective of the

1482
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,280
average indoor residential household

1483
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,680
water use.

1484
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,319
Residents are charged one unit for sewer

1485
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:13,920
service as their flows are fairly

1486
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,039
consistent throughout. But in contrast,

1487
01:06:17,039 --> 01:06:19,039
commercial customers,

1488
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:22,079
their flows vary significantly. And so

1489
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:24,799
their charges are reflective of the

1490
01:06:24,799 --> 01:06:27,520
actual flows of that commercial parcel

1491
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,000
relative to the average residential

1492
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,160
customers.

1493
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,839
And when we last or when this was last

1494
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,799
studied, uh the indoor water use

1495
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:47,599
standard was based on 14400 cubics cubic units of water use annually.

1496
01:06:47,599 --> 01:06:50,960
And this was reanalyzed this year and

1497
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:55,200
that figure has declined to 78 units of

1498
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,760
indoor water use. And so what this means

1499
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,039
from a billing perspective is that if a

1500
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:05,760
commercial customer used 144 units, then

1501
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,760
up until now they were build for one

1502
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,480
unit of uh in terms of their sewer

1503
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,950
charge, which is $4,311.

1504
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,839
However, at that same level of flow, if

1505
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:20,079
we use the new standard of indoor water

1506
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:23,760
use, reflective of conservation and

1507
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,319
changes in residential patterns over the

1508
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:29,520
years, this means that customer, that

1509
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,480
same customer would now be charged 1.85

1510
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,440
units for the same levels of flow. And

1511
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,760
for numbers,

1512
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,829
that's $7,975.

1513
01:07:41,839 --> 01:07:44,400
So, a significant increase. So,

1514
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,880
something to preview for you. To take a

1515
01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,680
step back, as Rich touched upon, sewer

1516
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,160
rates were last studied in 2021, and

1517
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,920
this resulted in five years of

1518
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,200
consecutive 4% annual increases. This

1519
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,839
sewer rate study covers the upcoming

1520
01:07:59,839 --> 01:08:04,400
fiscal year 2627 through 2033.

1521
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,640
In terms of where we're going, uh the

1522
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:08,480
rest of the slide shows that capital

1523
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,039
improvements uh to be cash funded

1524
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:14,240
average $5.1 million per year and that

1525
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,719
public works continues its efforts to

1526
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:19,199
reduce inflow and infiltration through

1527
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:20,799
pipe replacement and addressing

1528
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,920
homeowners deficient laterals.

1529
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,319
These are four bullets associated with

1530
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:30,239
the costs uh in projecting the revenue

1531
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:33,040
requirement that the sewer rates uh must

1532
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,520
address. First, there's annual operating

1533
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,520
costs which are increasing by

1534
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,239
inflationary measures and no additional

1535
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,080
headcount is anticipated in those

1536
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,159
numbers. This is the largest cost

1537
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:47,120
category which ranges between 6.7

1538
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,279
million up to 7.7 million over the

1539
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:52,239
5-year period. Next, there is Sanonteo

1540
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,319
Burnley treatment costs and those are

1541
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:57,199
increasing 5% annually. Those are costs

1542
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,679
really outside the city's control as

1543
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:02,000
these are the treatment costs and the

1544
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,759
costs required to treat every parcels uh

1545
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:08,960
collected sewer discharge.

1546
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,799
There are the capital expenditures which

1547
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:12,880
I touched upon and I'll be showing you

1548
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:14,799
on the next slide. And then finally

1549
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:17,199
there's debt coverage. There's $3.8 8

1550
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:20,159
million annually through the first four

1551
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,199
years and then in the fifth year uh that

1552
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:26,400
amount reduces by half a million due to

1553
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:28,880
a reduction in the schedule of the 2023

1554
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,600
refunding bond payment. Of that 3.8

1555
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:35,279
million, 1.9 million is the Sonteo clean

1556
01:09:35,279 --> 01:09:37,359
water portion that the town is

1557
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,600
responsible for paying that they share

1558
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,719
with other agencies.

1559
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:45,359
This is a uh overview of the capital

1560
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:48,239
expenditure projections. Uh again, this

1561
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:50,319
is a five-year program and four years

1562
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:53,759
were available. And so as a result for

1563
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:57,040
20 3031, we used the average of the

1564
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,679
four-year spend. So if you took the

1565
01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:01,600
average of those first four columns of

1566
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,920
the subtotal, that's what generated the

1567
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,320
4.6 million in the fifth year. And then

1568
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,480
those construction costs have been

1569
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:11,679
escalated to account for

1570
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:13,840
historic changes in labor and material

1571
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,400
costs. Collectively,

1572
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,080
from an escalated standpoint, that's

1573
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:21,760
$5.1 million per year that rates will

1574
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,679
pay for. This does not include the

1575
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:26,719
Macadamia Storm project as that project

1576
01:10:26,719 --> 01:10:28,480
staff has determined may be funded

1577
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,520
through FEMA and insurance and thus

1578
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,640
rates would not need to uh pay for this

1579
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:37,750
project.

1580
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,440
This is an overview of uh the forecasted

1581
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,440
expenses shown by the stacked bars.

1582
01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:45,360
There's four cost categories. There's

1583
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,800
the on andm expenses which include uh

1584
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:52,400
salary, uh labor, benefits as well as

1585
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:54,719
materials and services the town provides

1586
01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:57,520
for the collection services. There's the

1587
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:59,679
treatment costs. Those are the external

1588
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:02,400
costs for the Sanonteo and Berling game

1589
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,560
treatment plants. the debt service which

1590
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,880
I touched upon briefly and the capital

1591
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,960
improvements.

1592
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,679
Um for uh clarification, the capital

1593
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,159
improvements shown are based on the

1594
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,040
actual amounts to be spent on the last

1595
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:20,080
slide and not the 5.1 million on average

1596
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,840
each year. So that's why if you're

1597
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,920
looking at the size of those bars, they

1598
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,640
vary from year to year. We contrast that

1599
01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,560
with the revenue at current rates, which

1600
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,280
is the black line. Currently revenues

1601
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:33,920
are sufficient to meet the expenses for

1602
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,000
the current fiscal year. But as you can

1603
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,360
see that expenses are outpacing revenues

1604
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,600
at current rates in future years and

1605
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,719
some level of reserves use of reserves

1606
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:48,320
and revenue increases will be necessary.

1607
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,320
And that brings us to our five-year

1608
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:53,440
schedule. This is the financial plan. Uh

1609
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,480
Rick touched upon how the minimum

1610
01:11:56,480 --> 01:11:58,640
reserve and target reserve are derived.

1611
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,280
So I'll go ahead and bypass that

1612
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:04,640
portion. But the goal is to set rates

1613
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,120
such that the reserve fund balance, the

1614
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,080
dark green line, maintains a threshold

1615
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,880
above or at the target reserve. And so

1616
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,040
with the recommended revenue increases

1617
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,239
that you see on the horizontal axis, uh

1618
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,880
the town can maintain and meet that

1619
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,199
goal. absent any rate increases. Uh the

1620
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:28,400
reserve fund balance would follow the

1621
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,920
dashed lighter green line

1622
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,840
with uh the recommended revenue

1623
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,719
increases in 2627.

1624
01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:39,120
We evaluated the cost of service which

1625
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:41,840
is shown on this next slide.

1626
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,800
And so in looking at the cost of service

1627
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,640
uh we established the rates that you see

1628
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:50,000
in the first table. So per equivalent

1629
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,159
dwelling unit

1630
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:54,560
uh each residential parcel would pay

1631
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,830
$4,39347

1632
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,280
and you can see the $8247

1633
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,679
increase in that first year and then

1634
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:07,199
thereafter they would see um increases

1635
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:11,679
to their annual charge u mirroring that

1636
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:14,000
of the revenue increases.

1637
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,560
Now this is where the indoor water use

1638
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,199
analysis comes into play and in

1639
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,199
relooking at that and updating that

1640
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:24,480
assumption uh this is what's causing the

1641
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:26,159
commercial bill difference that you see

1642
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:28,800
in the second table. So specifically I'm

1643
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,400
pointing at um that four that final

1644
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:34,640
column on the right hand side overall

1645
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:38,480
generating a 3% increase but residential

1646
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:40,159
customer bills would collectively

1647
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,320
increase by 2%.

1648
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,000
However, commercial customers would

1649
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:48,000
increase by significantly more uh given

1650
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,199
their uh share of the overall flow and

1651
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,360
the change in the water use assumptions

1652
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:58,159
which are a proxy for sewer flows.

1653
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:01,280
And so to provide context, uh we looked

1654
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,840
at what commercial customers are

1655
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,280
currently charged. And so those uh 12

1656
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,719
customers are shown.

1657
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:16,000
And then there's two and I'll note

1658
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:20,950
and sorry um

1659
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,120
sorry uh so we have the current charge

1660
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,199
in the second column and then that's

1661
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:27,440
compared to the revised water use. So

1662
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:30,800
this these would be the bills uh for the

1663
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,880
same levels of flow as what they're

1664
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,719
currently being charged under the new

1665
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:37,199
indoor water use assumption. And you can

1666
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:38,960
see the dollar difference that those

1667
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,199
customers would pay. And then for

1668
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,239
context, uh maintaining the same water

1669
01:14:44,239 --> 01:14:47,360
use standard, which is not reflective of

1670
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,320
current conditions of the system, uh you

1671
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,159
could see would lead to significantly

1672
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,560
lower increases, but again would not be

1673
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,000
reflective of the current cost of

1674
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,520
service, which is the goal of this

1675
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:59,679
study.

1676
01:14:59,679 --> 01:15:01,679
Taking a step back, this is the timeline

1677
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:04,239
for rate adoption in order to implement

1678
01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:07,520
rates July 1.

1679
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,080
uh with the intent to return to council

1680
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,440
in March to receive approval to initiate

1681
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:16,320
the 218 process for a public hearing to

1682
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:19,199
be held in May.

1683
01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:23,280
Uh at this time uh we request your

1684
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,960
discussion and feedback regarding the

1685
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,000
preliminary rates presented and for

1686
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,719
reference again these are the rates.

1687
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:31,840
Thank you.

1688
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,880
>> Thank you very much. Um,

1689
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:38,480
I will take it to the council. Um,

1690
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:40,560
was just going to go in order so we all

1691
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,400
get a chance to comment. Um, council

1692
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:45,280
member Adams,

1693
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:48,800
I have very few questions. Yay. But, uh,

1694
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,840
the slide that is the most difficult is

1695
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,960
the second the one right before the rate

1696
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,679
adoption timeline where you talk about

1697
01:15:57,679 --> 01:16:01,360
the actual increases for the customers.

1698
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,280
an increase of uh

1699
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,880
you know a jump of $67,000

1700
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,800
that's going to be pretty well noticed.

1701
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,679
So we don't have that many uh commercial

1702
01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:18,000
customers. So are these the 12 basically

1703
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:18,560
is this

1704
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:19,679
>> these are all

1705
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:22,159
>> this is literally all right. So these

1706
01:16:22,159 --> 01:16:26,560
are schools country club and

1707
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,280
racket club.

1708
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,510
Yeah. Okay.

1709
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,960
There's no other question other than

1710
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:38,560
that's going to be interesting to see

1711
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:41,040
how that will be accepted, but no

1712
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:41,920
questions.

1713
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:43,600
>> Thank you, Council Member Adams. Um,

1714
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:46,400
Council Member Trang.

1715
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,400
>> Thank you for your presentation, Gate.

1716
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,159
You're on point. Um question is on the

1717
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:55,760
second slide deck that you talk about um

1718
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,719
our uh treatment plan contract or

1719
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:03,040
services from San Mattel Berlin gain

1720
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,679
uh you you allude to the fact that it

1721
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:08,960
cannot be predictable

1722
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,520
that's not true right they should the

1723
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:13,440
agency should look at their capital

1724
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:15,040
improvements and their business business

1725
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,920
model anticipate like we do about the

1726
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,960
five years out how they're going to be

1727
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:24,640
expecting their operations and so forth

1728
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,360
and as a courtesy share that with

1729
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:31,040
customers which we are right uh to their

1730
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,760
services. Is that the the fact or is it

1731
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:35,120
not?

1732
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:38,239
>> Yes. So just to clarify um I was stating

1733
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,080
their external cost. So, you're right.

1734
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,800
They're uh external agency under their

1735
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,080
control and the information that we have

1736
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,159
includes what the town has budgeted thus

1737
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:51,120
far and uh we'd have to revisit what

1738
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,280
they've communicated how far in advance

1739
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,159
of what those costs are.

1740
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,320
>> All right. So, is that a questions for

1741
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,040
um Jan or Paul regarding the

1742
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:06,550
conversation with our sister cities?

1743
01:18:06,560 --> 01:18:09,120
Great question and uh the details are

1744
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,120
all covered in the the joint hours or

1745
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,760
the multi-ity partners agreement uh one

1746
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,520
for Sonteo and the clean water program

1747
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:19,920
that just was signed recently and then

1748
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:22,320
uh recently also for Berlingame the

1749
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:28,239
annual cost for CIP are very direct and

1750
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,320
any increase beyond what's allowed there

1751
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:33,199
has to come back to you or the other uh

1752
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,360
cities for changes beyond on that

1753
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:38,640
regular CPI cost for actual operations

1754
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,320
um and uh staff is also in there. So

1755
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:43,679
you're correct. Anything beyond those

1756
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:46,159
parameters needs to come back to you the

1757
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:48,000
appointing bodies for significant

1758
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,159
improvements. So since the new both

1759
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:51,760
treatment plants went through a CDO

1760
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,800
recently I don't expect uh any changes

1761
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:55,840
on that.

1762
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,080
>> Thank you. So it's just a comments I

1763
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,400
mean it's really it's the operation and

1764
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:03,120
you're helping us to shape um you know

1765
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,600
in terms of the cost of operation it is

1766
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,159
a pass through we're not anticipating to

1767
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,360
make revenues on this. So to the extent

1768
01:19:11,360 --> 01:19:14,960
that we can anticipate and be able to um

1769
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,120
understand the other agency, we rely on

1770
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:19,760
them to be able to calculate those

1771
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:23,120
factors, I think it's the better for us

1772
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,640
to have a a clear clarity on our um

1773
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,000
charges. So thank you.

1774
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:31,920
>> Thank you, Council Member Trong, Council

1775
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:33,040
Member Crowley.

1776
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:34,400
>> Thank you, Madam Mayor. I have a

1777
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,159
question for Paul and while you come up

1778
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:39,360
just one comment um to build on what

1779
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:41,440
council member Adams said we said this

1780
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:43,360
before with the commercial sewer rate

1781
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,600
increase we are a small town and it's I

1782
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:48,080
think the the the importance of personal

1783
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,239
outreach to each one of those um

1784
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:52,719
customers will be really important and I

1785
01:19:52,719 --> 01:19:56,239
think the city manager had um city

1786
01:19:56,239 --> 01:19:59,360
manager the city manager city manager

1787
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:01,440
had noted that before the importance of

1788
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:03,840
personal outreach to our commercial

1789
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,560
customers. Thank you. So Paul, I just

1790
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,960
have one question. Um, how many years

1791
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,640
does the sanitary sewer master plan span

1792
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,960
and where are we in that timeline?

1793
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,719
>> So, initially, I think we first started

1794
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:20,719
in 2013, it was a 20-year plan and we've

1795
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:22,640
recently in the last two years, Natalie

1796
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:25,280
canir, we've gone back just to make sure

1797
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,400
we're on pace uh to meet those goals.

1798
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,480
When we initially started it, the town

1799
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,400
was under a cease and desist order where

1800
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,880
we had to do certain improvements. And

1801
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,880
we've checked off all those boxes. We're

1802
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,840
no longer under a microscope. We still

1803
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,000
do get annual visits from the regional

1804
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,040
board. But since we do have a program

1805
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,280
and a plan of how to fix the system and

1806
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,360
continue to improve it, we haven't faced

1807
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,560
any other, you know, fines or or

1808
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:53,440
anything.

1809
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:55,920
>> Is it a 20-year plan, 25 year plan,

1810
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,000
30-year plan? It's it's a 20-year plan

1811
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,320
that we but we continue to review it

1812
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:02,640
every few years to make sure that we're

1813
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,480
on pace.

1814
01:21:04,480 --> 01:21:07,040
>> So it's so originally

1815
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:10,000
supposed to finish up around 2033.

1816
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,640
>> So no, that that's a great question. We

1817
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,480
wish engineers wish we could do

1818
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,320
everything in 20 or 30 years, but in

1819
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:18,080
most cases it's more like a hundred

1820
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,520
years before you could replace it

1821
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,600
because if we're only replacing a mile

1822
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,640
of pipeline a year and we have 98 miles,

1823
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,320
well it's going to take a long time. But

1824
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,560
what we do similar to the streets is we

1825
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,800
pinpoint the worst performing areas, the

1826
01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:34,400
areas that have INI that are prone for

1827
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,560
environmental damage and we fix those

1828
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:37,920
first.

1829
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:39,920
>> Okay. So it's ongoing basically.

1830
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,360
>> So not in my lifetime.

1831
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:45,040
>> Okay. Thank you.

1832
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,080
>> Is that it?

1833
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:47,760
>> Yeah. Thank you, Council Member Crowley.

1834
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,440
Vice Mayor Rexdale.

1835
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:51,600
>> Uh yes. Uh thank you. And again, thank

1836
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,520
you for the slides in advance. Super

1837
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:55,520
helpful. you didn't go too fast because

1838
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,880
we had them in advance so that was

1839
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,239
great. Um, a quick observation I guess

1840
01:22:00,239 --> 01:22:02,560
with regard to the Berlin game and San

1841
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,880
Mato, you know, I presume we can we can

1842
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,120
at least look at what they are charging

1843
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,679
their customers to know if they're

1844
01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:12,080
having a big increase. Then we can we

1845
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:15,199
can say what's up with that. Um, so we

1846
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:18,880
won't hopefully be too surprised. Um uh

1847
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,480
I had a question with regard to the

1848
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:27,440
decrease in the residential use.

1849
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:30,239
Do we know are is it a post pandemic

1850
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:33,120
people are not home during the day? Uh

1851
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:36,400
is or and or is it the increase of

1852
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,920
lowflow toilets or do we not know? Yeah,

1853
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:43,520
the quick answer to that is that the

1854
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,920
current analysis takes into account the

1855
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:48,880
last three years and it's more informed

1856
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:52,400
than ever with the town's work with CADC

1857
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,960
who looked at a more precise

1858
01:22:54,960 --> 01:22:56,560
representation

1859
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,719
uh to determine indoor water use. um how

1860
01:23:00,719 --> 01:23:02,800
it was previously set is something that

1861
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,400
was done before 2016 and not something

1862
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:10,080
that uh really HFNH was a part of. So

1863
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:12,480
it's been you know over a decade since

1864
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:16,080
this was last analyzed at a minimum.

1865
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,639
>> Oh since the rate of use but it has

1866
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:20,080
changed.

1867
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,320
>> Exactly. It's gone unaccounted for,

1868
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,159
right? I mean, so I don't want to say

1869
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:27,040
unaccounted for, sorry.

1870
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:28,880
It was not looked at during the previous

1871
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,199
cost of service study,

1872
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:33,840
>> nor in 2016 as well.

1873
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,600
>> So there's been a lot more lowflow

1874
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:37,280
toilets installed since then,

1875
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,719
>> right? in and in in a way it also um

1876
01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:42,880
correlates to the water use patterns

1877
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:45,040
that Rick showed during the water use

1878
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,120
presentation where you had that peak in

1879
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:50,960
2012 2013 where um water use whether it

1880
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,000
was discretionary or indoor was u at a

1881
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:55,920
premium.

1882
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,480
>> Okay, that's super helpful. Um then I

1883
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:00,880
was wondering um back to the commercial

1884
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,639
customers

1885
01:24:02,639 --> 01:24:05,360
um is there an opportunity and I don't

1886
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,120
know who this question is for um is

1887
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:09,679
there an opportunity for them to

1888
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:11,760
challenge the assumption since there are

1889
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,080
so few and say you are looking at our

1890
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,960
water use and basing you know guessing

1891
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,920
our sewer use

1892
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:24,639
off of that. Hey we never flush the

1893
01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:30,080
toilets. we only water our lawn or we uh

1894
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:32,080
do a lot like maybe the racket club we

1895
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:35,520
do a lot of dishes and we have like two

1896
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,280
tiny little bathrooms that aren't really

1897
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:39,360
used that much. So I don't know is there

1898
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,600
a way for them to um uh challenge that

1899
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:45,120
assumption.

1900
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,280
>> I'll just speak first to the fact that

1901
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:49,280
the same folks that calculated the

1902
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,840
indoor water use for residents are doing

1903
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,920
that on an annual basis for commercial

1904
01:24:53,920 --> 01:24:56,000
customers. So that's been the current

1905
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:57,760
practice. So they're using the same set

1906
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,189
of assumptions,

1907
01:25:01,199 --> 01:25:03,040
but as far as the challenge, maybe I'll

1908
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:03,840
turn it to Jen

1909
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:08,320
>> and and also it's using the AMI data

1910
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,159
from our own from our own measuring

1911
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:13,280
system as the as the back background on

1912
01:25:13,280 --> 01:25:16,560
that. That's also uh more precise,

1913
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,760
right, with the

1914
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,320
>> and that shows how much water they're

1915
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,760
using but not how much they're using the

1916
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,760
sewer

1917
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:27,760
>> indoor use.

1918
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:28,239
>> Yeah.

1919
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:31,360
Oh, so we're so indoor use. So

1920
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,280
then it would really be like the racket

1921
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,520
club saying we have two small bathrooms

1922
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,239
but we do tons of dishes.

1923
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:47,590
Maybe not so much the country club.

1924
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:51,040
Yeah, I I do believe that we have a uh

1925
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,480
formula that we're factor in the three

1926
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:57,360
uh month of the winter sessions and the

1927
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,840
formula to calculate the sewers, right?

1928
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,480
So, it's pretty consistent and in fact

1929
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:05,199
some of the schools have

1930
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:09,440
uh lower in terms of their uh sewer uh

1931
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,880
or water usage. Correct. Yes, there is a

1932
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:16,480
so first it's using the AMI data time of

1933
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,400
use and then there's a formula that CADC

1934
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:25,440
is that um developed to look at taking

1935
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:28,960
that usage and then applying it to

1936
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:31,360
indoor usage. So we're not able to say

1937
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,920
that sink was on at that hour and they

1938
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:36,639
use that shower on that day. um but they

1939
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:38,560
have taken a very good look at their

1940
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:41,360
data to come up with these assumptions

1941
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:46,800
that um would be used for this rate

1942
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,080
making purpose. Um I think if someone

1943
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:51,920
really wanted to understand on an

1944
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,880
individual basis, you know, that

1945
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,719
analysis, we could absolutely sit down

1946
01:26:56,719 --> 01:26:58,080
with them and and talk them through

1947
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,120
that.

1948
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:01,280
>> Okay, that that's super helpful to know.

1949
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,400
Thank you so much.

1950
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:06,000
>> Thank you. Um I have just one more

1951
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,320
question um regarding the treatment

1952
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,880
costs. Was that ever factored into the

1953
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,760
sewer rates in the past or has it it has

1954
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:15,120
it continues to be factored into the

1955
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:15,920
sewer rates?

1956
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:17,840
>> Yes. Yes, mayor.

1957
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:21,440
>> Okay. Um

1958
01:27:21,440 --> 01:27:23,199
I really don't have additional

1959
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:24,560
questions. I appreciate the other

1960
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,800
questions that's been submitted so far.

1961
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:29,360
And we actually need to hear from the

1962
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,239
public before we adjourn. So, um, I

1963
01:27:32,239 --> 01:27:33,840
don't think we've had a chance to ask

1964
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,239
the public for their opinion on this. Do

1965
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,000
we have anyone from the public waiting

1966
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,760
to, uh, comment?

1967
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,520
>> Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Mayor Cole.

1968
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,320
I'll just ask if there anyone on Zoom

1969
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:48,000
would like to provide comments

1970
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,320
and I don't see any a raised hand. Thank

1971
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,430
you.

1972
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:55,360
» Um, yes, you may go ahead.

1973
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:56,960
>> That was all for you guys. Any other

1974
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,080
questions? Other than that, we'll just

1975
01:27:58,080 --> 01:27:59,199
take your direction and move forward.

1976
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:00,800
Any additional questions from the

1977
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,040
council or any specific

1978
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:03,760
>> the mayor?

1979
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,760
>> Yes, go ahead. Mayor Rex,

1980
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:07,920
>> if you are seeking direction on sewer

1981
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,239
rates, my guess is we probably might

1982
01:28:10,239 --> 01:28:11,920
feel more comfortable than with regard

1983
01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,280
to the water rates to give you

1984
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,360
direction. Uh I don't know if I I don't

1985
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,920
want to I can only speak for myself. I'm

1986
01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,800
comfortable with the recommendation on

1987
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,239
the on the sewer.

1988
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:23,440
>> Um okay.

1989
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:25,920
>> So we we um support the recommendation

1990
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:27,120
that's presently in front of us

1991
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,320
regarding the sewer rates. Thank you. We

1992
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,800
will now adjourn this uh study session.

1993
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,000
Thank you very much. Thanks for the

1994
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:38,149
presentations. Excellent.

1995
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,560
We will be joining a close session. Um

1996
01:28:40,560 --> 01:29:06,709
let me

1997
01:29:06,719 --> 01:29:07,440
Mayor Cole,

1998
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,920
>> I'm trying I'm trying to call. Well, if

1999
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,880
you guys will stay seated, I will.

2000
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,840
>> Would you like me?

2001
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,800
>> Okay. I am I was curious why everybody

2002
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,520
got up and walked away. Okay, we will

2003
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,480
turn to close session. Um so let me do a

2004
01:29:24,480 --> 01:29:25,679
public announcements of the close

2005
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:27,760
session items. Item A, conference with

2006
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,920
legal council existing litigation. Town

2007
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,840
of Hillsboro versus all persons

2008
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,520
interested in a matter of the

2009
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,719
proceedings for resolution number 22-83

2010
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:40,480
adopting maximum rates for water service

2011
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:44,870
charges.

2012
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,000
Item B, conference with legal council

2013
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,080
initiation of initiation of litigation

2014
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:52,159
pursuant to uh government code section

2015
01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:54,400
54956.9.

2016
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,880
Print D, print 4, one, potential case,

2017
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,880
consideration of appealing in existing

2018
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,320
litigation noted above. Item C, public

2019
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,159
employee performance evaluation pursuant

2020
01:30:04,159 --> 01:30:08,320
to government code section 54957, pin B,

2021
01:30:08,320 --> 01:30:11,600
pin one, city manager. Item D,

2022
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:12,960
conference with legal council,

2023
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:15,040
anticipated litigation pursuant to

2024
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:18,000
government code section 54956.9,

2025
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,480
print D, print two, one or more

2026
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:23,440
potential um cases.

2027
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:29,440
All right. Um any members of the public?

2028
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:30,400
>> Thank you, mayor. Call

2029
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,239
>> on any of the close session items?

2030
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:34,080
>> No. No public comment. Thank you.

2031
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:35,360
>> Okay. We will now adjourn to close

2032
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:45,430
session. Thank you.

2033
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:47,600
Good evening everyone. The regular city

2034
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,440
council meeting is now called to order.

2035
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:54,639
February 9th, 2026. The time is 6:12.

2036
01:30:54,639 --> 01:30:57,280
Um, city clerk, may we please have the

2037
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:58,560
roll call.

2038
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,040
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Adams,

2039
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,480
>> present.

2040
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:03,840
Crow,

2041
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:07,120
>> present. Ragdale

2042
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:07,760
>> present.

2043
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:08,880
>> Cole

2044
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:09,679
>> present.

2045
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:10,560
>> Thank you.

2046
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,159
>> Um, please stand for the pledge of

2047
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:32,229
allegiance.

2048
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:35,600
Welcome everyone. It's good to see you

2049
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,080
all in chambers tonight. Um,

2050
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,600
do we have any report from close

2051
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,360
session? City attorney Diaz.

2052
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:44,560
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Just wanted to

2053
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:45,920
announce for the public that the council

2054
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,199
did convene in close session and

2055
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,440
consider four agenda items um as noted

2056
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:51,760
on the agenda and direction was given to

2057
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:52,880
staff, but otherwise there was no

2058
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:54,560
reportable action under the Brown Act.

2059
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:55,760
Thank you.

2060
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:59,120
>> Thank you. Um before we move on um the

2061
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,199
next item we have a couple of

2062
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,520
proclamations and I have asked my

2063
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:05,760
colleagues to join me in reading the two

2064
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,400
proclamations for the month of February.

2065
01:32:08,400 --> 01:32:10,880
The first proclamation is um Black

2066
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,760
History Month for February 2026 and we

2067
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,320
will all take turns in reading this one.

2068
01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:18,000
Whereas Black History was first

2069
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:21,440
acknowledged 100 years ago in 1926 as

2070
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,760
part of an initiative by writer and

2071
01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:26,960
educator Dr. Carter G. Woodson to

2072
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,120
recognize the heritage and achievements

2073
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,760
of black Americans and to enhance

2074
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,560
knowledge about black American history.

2075
01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:38,320
And whereas the 2026 Black History Month

2076
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:40,560
theme, a century of Black History

2077
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:44,000
commemorations honors the 100th annivers

2078
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,679
100th anniversary of the celebration

2079
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:48,560
initiated by Dr. Woodson. The milestone

2080
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:51,120
theme examines the impact of marking

2081
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,600
black history, culture, and life on the

2082
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,880
status of black people today. And

2083
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,760
whereas work work is at the very center

2084
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:05,600
of much of black history and culture. Be

2085
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:10,080
it debates among black educators on the

2086
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:13,280
importance of vocational training,

2087
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,360
self-help strategies, and

2088
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:17,280
entrepreneursship

2089
01:33:17,280 --> 01:33:20,880
in black communities or organized

2090
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,639
labor's role in fighting both economic

2091
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:27,360
and social injustice.

2092
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:28,320
can

2093
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,480
>> whereas black history is American

2094
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:32,800
history and understanding and

2095
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,120
appreciating the experiences of black

2096
01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:37,679
individuals is crucial to understanding

2097
01:33:37,679 --> 01:33:40,400
the full story of our town and our

2098
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:42,320
country. And

2099
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,960
>> whereas today, black Americans lead

2100
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,520
industries and movements for change,

2101
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:51,040
serve our town and nation at every level

2102
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:53,199
and advance every field across the

2103
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:55,679
board, including art and sciences,

2104
01:33:55,679 --> 01:33:58,320
business and law, health and education,

2105
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:00,400
and many more. And

2106
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:02,719
>> whereas the town of Hillsboro believes

2107
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:05,199
every person has the freedom to feel

2108
01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:08,480
valued and respected and condemns racism

2109
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:12,320
in rhetoric or action. Now therefore, be

2110
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,320
it resolved that the city council of the

2111
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,719
town of Hillsboro hereby proclaims the

2112
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:20,080
month of February 2026 as Black History

2113
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,480
Month, signed by Sophie Cole, mayor,

2114
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:25,760
February 9th, 2026.

2115
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,719
>> Thank you. Um the next proclamation um

2116
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:30,880
is um National Slavery and Human

2117
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:34,080
Trafficking Awareness Month and um again

2118
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,000
I will ask my colleagues in joining me

2119
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:38,880
to read this proclamation.

2120
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:42,000
Whereas since 2010 the month of January

2121
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,080
has been proclaimed as National Slavery

2122
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,639
and Human Trafficking Prevention Month.

2123
01:34:46,639 --> 01:34:49,600
And whereas human trafficking is a human

2124
01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,239
rights violation and a violation of both

2125
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:54,880
federal and California law. It also

2126
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,800
promotes the breakdown of families and

2127
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,520
communities, fuels organized crime,

2128
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:01,760
deprivives countries of human capital,

2129
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,159
undermines public health, and imposes

2130
01:35:04,159 --> 01:35:08,560
large economic costs. And whereas the

2131
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:13,199
crime of human trafficking is present in

2132
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:17,920
every country and every US state and

2133
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:20,239
whereas San Monteo County is considered

2134
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:23,040
a high-risk corridor for trafficking

2135
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:24,480
because of its proximity to

2136
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:26,800
international airports and location

2137
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:30,639
along major north south transit routes.

2138
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:31,520
And

2139
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:34,159
>> whereas although human trafficking is

2140
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,880
illegal, victims often do not recognize

2141
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,280
their victimization, do not know that

2142
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,120
help is available or where to seek

2143
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:42,960
assistance. And

2144
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:45,199
>> whereas public awareness about human

2145
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,280
trafficking still needs to reach broader

2146
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,280
communities and communicate more

2147
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,920
information about the nuances of this

2148
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:55,440
crime. And whereas the town is committed

2149
01:35:55,440 --> 01:35:57,440
to increasing public awareness of the

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01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:00,239
injustice of force, fraud, and coercion

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01:36:00,239 --> 01:36:02,159
that is used to exploit the victims of

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01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:04,400
this heinous crime and to provide

2153
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,719
resources and support to victims through

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01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:09,040
the county of San Mato Human Trafficking

2155
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,080
Prevention and Enforcement Initiative.

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01:36:12,080 --> 01:36:15,440
Now therefore be a resolve that the city

2157
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:18,320
council of the town of Hillsbor hereby

2158
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:22,560
proclaims the month of January 2026 as

2159
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:28,719
national slavery and human trafficking prevention month signed by

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01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:31,920
our mayor Sophie Cole dated February 9th

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01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:33,440
2026.

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01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:35,440
>> Thank you all. Thanks to my colleagues

2163
01:36:35,440 --> 01:36:37,280
um these are not just words they do

2164
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:39,280
reflect our values and our principles in

2165
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:40,880
a town. Thank you very much. Much

2166
01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:45,679
appreciated. Um the next um item that is

2167
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:50,390
um town update

2168
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:56,310
by our city manager, Doug Davis.

2169
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:00,070
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2170
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,000
We have our H&N speaker series that's

2171
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:03,600
coming up. This will be uh Wednesday,

2172
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,760
February 11th, and it starts at 6:30

2173
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:08,000
p.m. And our speaker this time will be

2174
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:10,080
Heather Vandenberg, who's going to come

2175
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,639
in and talk about her experience uh

2176
01:37:12,639 --> 01:37:15,520
during the Paradise Fires and uh or I'm

2177
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:17,760
sorry, Palisades Estates. Uh she

2178
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,199
evacuated from that area. And if you've

2179
01:37:19,199 --> 01:37:20,639
never heard her presentation, it's quite

2180
01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:22,239
harrowing all the stuff that she went

2181
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:23,840
through. A lot of lessons learned that

2182
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:25,119
are there. It's it's a great

2183
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:26,560
presentation. I've seen it before and

2184
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,159
I'd encourage anybody to come down and

2185
01:37:28,159 --> 01:37:33,430
see this. Uh February 11th, 6:30.

2186
01:37:33,440 --> 01:37:35,119
We have our Hillsboro Youth Commission

2187
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:36,880
is going to be taking an ebike survey

2188
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:38,800
and putting it out to the community. So,

2189
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,760
the deadline to get that in will be uh

2190
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:44,000
March 1st. And they're encouraging all

2191
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,679
of our school people, fifth graders

2192
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:47,280
through 12th graders, to fill this out.

2193
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,360
So, it's a a chance for them to get a

2194
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,920
kind of a an idea of exactly how they

2195
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,679
feel about ebikes. It's a controversial

2196
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:55,920
topic that's that's pretty uh front and

2197
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,600
center right now with everyone. and

2198
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,040
they're working with our city council,

2199
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:00,560
city manager's office, and the

2200
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,560
superintendent of schools as well. And

2201
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:03,920
later on tonight, you'll hear our

2202
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:05,679
assistant city manager, Mandy Brown,

2203
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:07,360
talking a little bit more about ebikes

2204
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,000
as well. On that same topic, there's an

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01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:13,280
ebike video contest uh held by the Cal

2206
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,760
Associ California Association of Youth

2207
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:19,199
Commissions. And uh this deadline is uh

2208
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:21,600
looks like March 10th and it's a $500

2209
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:24,080
prize for anybody who turns in a 30

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01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,159
secondond video that gets selected as

2211
01:38:26,159 --> 01:38:28,400
the best video in there. And again, you

2212
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:30,000
can refer to the website there to see

2213
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:33,040
how to submit that. Um and it's open uh

2214
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:35,600
for students to submit grades 5 through

2215
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,760
12.

2216
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,520
The Samaritan House is having their

2217
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:42,080
annual youth coat drive. Uh this will be

2218
01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,960
January 4th through March 2nd. And we

2219
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,880
have a box right out here at town hall

2220
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,639
there. Most of the town halls here in

2221
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:50,560
Sonteo County have this as well, but

2222
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:52,400
ours is located out front. If you have

2223
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,000
any coats that you would like to donate

2224
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,000
towards the youth, uh that would be

2225
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:57,840
where to do it. Again, sponsored by

2226
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:01,830
Samaritan House.

2227
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,400
We have a joint venture with U Hillsboro

2228
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,719
and the city of Berlingame. And this is

2229
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:08,080
for if you've ever been to the voting

2230
01:39:08,080 --> 01:39:09,920
booth and you get the I voted today

2231
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:11,920
sticker. Uh this is to create a design

2232
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:14,639
for that. It's for students uh age 18

2233
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:16,960
and under are encouraged to enter the I

2234
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,119
voted contest. So they'll be uh writing

2235
01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,280
artwork for the I voted sticker and

2236
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:23,679
residents 19 and older will be making a

2237
01:39:23,679 --> 01:39:25,360
sticker for future voters. And these are

2238
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,199
the ones that are handed out to some of

2239
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:28,639
the children that attend the voting

2240
01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:30,639
booths with their parents and it's a

2241
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:32,159
sticker that they can place on them as

2242
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:35,119
well. The deadline for that is April 6th

2243
01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:36,880
and you can enter the contest at the

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01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:41,910
below email address there.

2245
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,800
And our leadership council or LEAD is

2246
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:48,800
having uh an event on February 19th uh

2247
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,400
and that'll be at uh Pholi and this is a

2248
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:56,239
uh worldclass gardens and an immersive

2249
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,400
art and culture day that'll be held

2250
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:00,159
there at the grounds. Obviously many

2251
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:01,840
people have been there. It's a beautiful

2252
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:03,119
area to have there and there's going to

2253
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,199
be a couple of uh creativity and

2254
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:06,639
leadership practices that are going to

2255
01:40:06,639 --> 01:40:08,960
end there and also some mindfulness

2256
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,560
training that'll happen there as well.

2257
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,880
Our SER program is still running. This

2258
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:17,280
will be February 3rd through the 28th

2259
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,760
and this is for residents of Berlingame

2260
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,320
Milbury and Hillsboro put on by our

2261
01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:23,920
central county fire department. If

2262
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:25,280
you're interested in joining this and

2263
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,600
getting into that first stage of citizen

2264
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:30,239
and emergency response team, I encourage

2265
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:32,080
you to go to the website there or use

2266
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:37,750
the QR code as well.

2267
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,600
And finally, we have the El Camino Rail

2268
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:41,520
Roadway Renewal Project that is still

2269
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,080
ongoing. Uh the dates here aren't set in

2270
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:45,520
stone, but it's looking like it'll be

2271
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:48,560
February 23rd through March 6th will be

2272
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:50,159
the time period that'll probably most

2273
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:52,320
impact our residents here in Hillsboro.

2274
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:54,480
I want to thank our uh public works team

2275
01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:56,719
for working closely with CALR to

2276
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:58,800
mitigate the traffic as much as

2277
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,119
possible. Uh unfortunately the El Camino

2278
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,760
is a main thoroughfare so in the end it

2279
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,679
will be a much better uh roadway that

2280
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,119
we'll have. There will be some slight

2281
01:41:07,119 --> 01:41:08,800
inconveniences that are happening during

2282
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:10,639
that time. For more information you can

2283
01:41:10,639 --> 01:41:12,239
go to the Department of Transportation

2284
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:16,000
website which talks about the project.

2285
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:17,760
And then our slide for upcoming events.

2286
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:19,920
I would just highlight that uh February

2287
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:21,760
there, February 23rd, we're going to

2288
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,600
have our annual goal setting session

2289
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:25,280
with the city council which is open to

2290
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,119
the community. And this is where we set

2291
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:29,199
our goals for the following year with

2292
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:30,880
our city council. So it'll be staff and

2293
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:32,800
city council talking about some of the

2294
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:34,400
projects they've worked on over the last

2295
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,000
year and what they're doing in the

2296
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,400
coming year as well. And finally, our

2297
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,080
slide here for all our notification

2298
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:43,199
programs, SMC Alert, Genesis, Nixel,

2299
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:46,000
Watchd Duty, and MyShake. Uh again, as I

2300
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,440
always say, if you're going to pick one

2301
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:48,880
that you're going to join, I would say

2302
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:50,639
SMC Alert is probably the most

2303
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:52,960
important. I would also say that Nixl is

2304
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:54,639
probably the easiest to use. And from

2305
01:41:54,639 --> 01:41:56,480
there, you can choose your entry point

2306
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:57,679
as you like.

2307
01:41:57,679 --> 01:41:58,400
>> Thank you.

2308
01:41:58,400 --> 01:41:59,840
city manager Davis.

2309
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:02,560
Appreciate that. Um next item is um

2310
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,639
public comment on items that are not on

2311
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:07,360
the agenda. Do we have any um anyone

2312
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,600
either in chambers or remotely with

2313
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:10,400
public comments?

2314
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:13,040
>> Yes, Mayor Cole. John Lockton.

2315
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:18,390
>> Hello, Mr. Lockton.

2316
01:42:18,400 --> 01:42:21,280
Welcome.

2317
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:22,960
>> Thank you and thank you for the

2318
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,520
opportunity to address you. Uh I have

2319
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,239
been at this podium along with members

2320
01:42:28,239 --> 01:42:33,600
of our group uh since the spring of 2015

2321
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:36,400
talking about water rates. You believe

2322
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:40,320
2015? And I understand that uh you may

2323
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:43,440
be looking at uniform rates now. uh

2324
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,440
array of hope. Uh thank you very much

2325
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:48,239
for looking at that. Uh but I'm here uh

2326
01:42:48,239 --> 01:42:51,840
really about uh uh a hope on our part

2327
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,280
for settling this terrible litigation.

2328
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,639
Uh it has wasted a lot of town money.

2329
01:42:58,639 --> 01:43:01,679
It's wasted a lot of money of our group.

2330
01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:05,280
Um we wish it hadn't started. Uh my

2331
01:43:05,280 --> 01:43:07,600
purpose in being here today is to say

2332
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,480
what I said in an email to you uh which

2333
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:13,760
is uh I am here now. Our group is ready

2334
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:16,560
to talk. Uh we would uh we're open to

2335
01:43:16,560 --> 01:43:20,719
anything. Um we u we believe maybe

2336
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:23,840
wrongly that uh Hillsboro when you

2337
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:26,159
brought this action had some sort of a

2338
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:28,320
plan what you would do if uh you didn't

2339
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:30,400
weren't successful. We're happy to

2340
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:34,000
negotiate off whatever your plan may be,

2341
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:36,080
but we'd like to uh start the

2342
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:39,280
negotiation, which is why we're here. Um

2343
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:42,960
just just as an aside, uh uh we do not

2344
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,880
understand why the litigation was

2345
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:49,199
brought. Um we wouldn't have sued and we

2346
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:51,280
were barred from suing by a statute

2347
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:54,560
which said that you had to sue within uh

2348
01:43:54,560 --> 01:43:57,360
60 days and that time had passed. So, we

2349
01:43:57,360 --> 01:44:00,239
couldn't sue and you brought this suit

2350
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:02,880
and uh uh had you not brought it, you

2351
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:05,520
would have been able to take uh the same

2352
01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:08,000
rates for five years without any uh

2353
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:11,280
challenge. Uh but anyway, it's happened

2354
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:15,280
and we would like to uh uh move ahead

2355
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,920
and have a negotiation.

2356
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,600
Whoever gave you that advice to bring

2357
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,480
the suit, I think gave you poor advice.

2358
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:25,360
We we we didn't need to have that suit.

2359
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,600
we didn't need to spend all Hillsboro

2360
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,719
money. Um, if they're giving advice on

2361
01:44:30,719 --> 01:44:33,360
an appeal, please don't. You're going to

2362
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,199
lose an appeal. I assure you, I'm not

2363
01:44:35,199 --> 01:44:37,119
going to get into the legalities of it,

2364
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,520
but uh that is that's what's going to

2365
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,840
happen and it'll just be a waste of more

2366
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,159
money. So, we hope you don't appeal. We

2367
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,560
hope you'll uh talk settlement to us and

2368
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,719
we hope uh there isn't a lot of

2369
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:50,880
animosity towards us. You know, a

2370
01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:54,159
validation um proceeding is an

2371
01:44:54,159 --> 01:44:57,440
invitation of the town to participate in

2372
01:44:57,440 --> 01:45:00,480
finding the facts of something. Um we

2373
01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:02,800
didn't sue. This was the town wanting to

2374
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:06,400
find truth about the water rates. And uh

2375
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,119
in such a proceeding, the town is

2376
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:11,360
invited to participate and we

2377
01:45:11,360 --> 01:45:13,040
participated. and we gave our views of

2378
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:14,719
the facts and you gave your views of the

2379
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:18,159
facts and the town came down uh in one

2380
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:20,320
direction and uh could have come down

2381
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,280
the other direction. But uh we love the

2382
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,560
town. We do not want anything bad to

2383
01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:29,440
happen to the town. We are as I said

2384
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:31,760
very unhappy the water rate suit was

2385
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,280
brought because it's wasted a lot of

2386
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,960
money and had it not been brought uh we

2387
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:38,880
would have uh not sued you.

2388
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:39,840
>> Thank you.

2389
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,880
>> Now I just want to reate reiterate that

2390
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:45,280
I'm we're willing to talk and thank you

2391
01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:46,560
very much for the time.

2392
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,360
>> Thank you so much, Mr. Lton. Any

2393
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:51,119
additional comments from the public on

2394
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:53,360
items that are not on the agenda?

2395
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:54,639
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. I'll just check

2396
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:56,639
to see if there are any raised hands on

2397
01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:03,350
Zoom and I'm not seeing any. Thank you.

2398
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:08,320
Okay, I will now close um public comment

2399
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:11,520
and the next item on our agenda is

2400
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,360
announcement of conflicts of interest.

2401
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,119
Um do any of my council members have a

2402
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:17,360
conflicts of interest to disclose

2403
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:22,550
related to any item on the agenda?

2404
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,639
Seeing none through the mayor, I do have

2405
01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:29,760
on agenda. I'm not jumping ahead but the

2406
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:33,760
agenda item nine. Uh I am recusing

2407
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:37,840
myself from agenda item nine on

2408
01:46:37,840 --> 01:46:41,600
tonight's agenda. Um as I have a real

2409
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:46,000
property interest within 1,000 ft of the

2410
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:48,560
1200 Jaclyn

2411
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:49,679
drive.

2412
01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:52,719
>> Thank you council member Chuang.

2413
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:55,199
Um

2414
01:46:55,199 --> 01:46:58,239
any other conflicts of interest?

2415
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,719
Um so city attorney, will we um remove

2416
01:47:00,719 --> 01:47:02,880
that item um before we vote on the

2417
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:03,679
consent calendar?

2418
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:05,199
>> Yeah, thank you, Mayor Cole. Agenda item

2419
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:06,719
nine is actually a public hearing, so

2420
01:47:06,719 --> 01:47:08,239
you'll hear that item and when we get to

2421
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:09,920
that item, uh council member Chuang will

2422
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,199
step out of the room and the rest of the

2423
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:13,040
council can decide that the matter.

2424
01:47:13,040 --> 01:47:15,360
Thank you.

2425
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:18,480
>> Okay. Um

2426
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,880
any items to be removed from the consent

2427
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,639
calendar? I

2428
01:47:22,639 --> 01:47:24,000
>> Council member Krley,

2429
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,800
>> I just have a question on item one uh

2430
01:47:26,800 --> 01:47:28,880
and a comment on item six, but it's a

2431
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:30,320
quick question. I don't think we need to

2432
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,400
remove it.

2433
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:33,600
>> I through the mayor.

2434
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:34,719
>> Any other items?

2435
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:39,199
>> I also have a comments on item five,

2436
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:42,080
but not doesn't have to remove it.

2437
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,320
>> Um any items to be removed specifically

2438
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,560
just these are just comments on item

2439
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:49,760
one, five, and six and six. any

2440
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:55,669
additional items to be removed.

2441
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:59,760
» Okay. Um we we will um so

2442
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:01,360
>> we're not removing any of these items

2443
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:03,040
except for item nine which council

2444
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:06,159
member council will recuse. So item one

2445
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:07,840
council member question for the city

2446
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,840
clerk on uh under on the minutes on page

2447
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:15,600
44 in our packet at the top of the page.

2448
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:19,199
It's under um old business item 11. I do

2449
01:48:19,199 --> 01:48:21,920
have the last name of the resident on

2450
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:23,600
Moralboro Road. Is there a reason why we

2451
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:24,960
don't want it published?

2452
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:26,480
>> I didn't include it because he didn't

2453
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:28,080
state it for the record.

2454
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,159
>> Um and so I I just I didn't include it

2455
01:48:30,159 --> 01:48:31,600
for that reason. When he was at the

2456
01:48:31,600 --> 01:48:34,400
podium, he didn't. Um I noted that I

2457
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:36,719
said it out loud, but then he didn't say

2458
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:38,960
it out loud, so I chose not to include

2459
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:39,760
it in the minutes.

2460
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,280
>> Okay, that was my question. Thank you.

2461
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:42,719
>> Thank you.

2462
01:48:42,719 --> 01:48:45,920
>> Okay. Um item five.

2463
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,840
>> Item five. Thank you. Um, I just want to

2464
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,159
um commend the staff for continuing to

2465
01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:57,840
really identify the HMGP

2466
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,800
program grand funding for the Highland

2467
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,199
project. I know that Highland project,

2468
01:49:03,199 --> 01:49:05,840
Highline project has been a very

2469
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,400
important project for our town. It was

2470
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,800
most unfortunate that FEMA grant the

2471
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:13,520
brick grant did not come through and it

2472
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:17,360
is a a huge project, $45 million. So,

2473
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:20,480
thank you so much for identify those uh

2474
01:49:20,480 --> 01:49:22,480
grant funding and continue to move

2475
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:26,800
forward with this project. Thank you.

2476
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:29,199
>> Um I echo those statements.

2477
01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:29,600
>> These are

2478
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:31,199
>> Yes, I think we all echo those

2479
01:49:31,199 --> 01:49:32,239
statements

2480
01:49:32,239 --> 01:49:33,440
>> and we're very grateful.

2481
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:34,960
Mandy. Thank

2482
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,040
you to you and the team for working on

2483
01:49:37,040 --> 01:49:38,560
that item six.

2484
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:40,239
>> And I just wanted to say that even

2485
01:49:40,239 --> 01:49:42,080
though it's on consent cal calendar,

2486
01:49:42,080 --> 01:49:44,639
these cyber security controls are so

2487
01:49:44,639 --> 01:49:47,600
important. So, um, I thank you, William,

2488
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:52,709
and for pursuing those.

2489
01:49:52,719 --> 01:49:54,719
And with that, I make a motion to

2490
01:49:54,719 --> 01:49:57,119
approve the consent calendar items 1

2491
01:49:57,119 --> 01:50:00,320
through eight. And we have a second.

2492
01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:02,080
>> Second.

2493
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:05,360
>> Okay. Um, all those in favor say I.

2494
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:12,390
>> I.

2495
01:50:12,400 --> 01:50:15,280
Um we have unanimous consent for the

2496
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:19,430
consent calendar.

2497
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:21,360
» You're moving into agenda item nine.

2498
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:22,159
>> No.

2499
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:25,520
>> Yes. Okay. We will start with um agenda.

2500
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,920
We'll move on to public hearing for um

2501
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:40,470
agenda item nine.

2502
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,719
All right. Uh, good evening, mayor. Good

2503
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:43,920
evening, council members. My name is

2504
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,920
Doug Belchick, and I am the associate

2505
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:47,040
civil engineer for the town of

2506
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,360
Hillsboro. And tonight's public hearing

2507
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:51,520
item is for council to consider the

2508
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:55,199
adopt adoption and summary vacation of

2509
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:59,119
easements at 1200 Jaclyn Drive. um

2510
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:01,760
staff, property owner, property owner

2511
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:04,560
rep, and uh other technical staff are

2512
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,239
available for any questions after the

2513
01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:09,669
presentation.

2514
01:51:09,679 --> 01:51:12,080
Uh so getting started, the red dot shown

2515
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:13,760
on the screen is the approximate

2516
01:51:13,760 --> 01:51:16,000
location of the property. As you can

2517
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:18,159
see, it's in the northernmost portion of

2518
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:20,000
Hillsbor, right along the border of

2519
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:24,310
Berling.

2520
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:26,400
The property itself consists of three

2521
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:29,280
parcels shown here on the left. Um it's

2522
01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,880
the current and existing conditions.

2523
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,840
The applicants recently submitted an uh

2524
01:51:35,840 --> 01:51:37,920
lot line adjustment application that

2525
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:41,280
would modify the existing three property

2526
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:42,800
shown on the left to something that

2527
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:45,520
would look more on the right. Um, as

2528
01:51:45,520 --> 01:51:47,599
part of that lot line adjustment, the

2529
01:51:47,599 --> 01:51:50,080
applicant is proposing to vacate and

2530
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:52,560
relocate existing easements shown here

2531
01:51:52,560 --> 01:51:56,000
in red. Um, as well as dedicate some new

2532
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,320
easements, which are depicted here on

2533
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,599
the right. Effectively, this would place

2534
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:03,520
public utility easements along all

2535
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:05,920
interior property lines, which is more

2536
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:07,840
consistent of a typical property in

2537
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:11,990
town.

2538
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,239
The reason we're here tonight is because

2539
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:18,229
of code section 163650D,

2540
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:20,080
which states that if the proposed lot

2541
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,320
line adjustment includes the dedication

2542
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:24,800
or abandonment of easements, the city

2543
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,960
engineer shall not approve the lot line

2544
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:29,199
adjustment map until city council has

2545
01:52:29,199 --> 01:52:31,360
accepted the offer dedications or

2546
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,000
abandonments in a public hearing. Uh so

2547
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,159
in short, council must consider and

2548
01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:38,159
approve the easement dedications and

2549
01:52:38,159 --> 01:52:40,400
abandonments before the city engineer

2550
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:45,189
can consider the law line adjustment.

2551
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:48,000
Again, tonight uh tonight's public

2552
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:49,440
hearing item is for council's

2553
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,679
consideration of the easements, not

2554
01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:53,119
considering the lot line adjustment

2555
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,080
itself. Acceptance of the easements will

2556
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,239
permit town access for future

2557
01:52:58,239 --> 01:53:00,000
installations, operation, and

2558
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:03,040
maintenance of any public utilities. As

2559
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,199
of now, there are no current public

2560
01:53:05,199 --> 01:53:07,920
utilities that the town owns. Uh other

2561
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:09,679
public utility providers have confirmed

2562
01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:12,400
acceptance of the easements. Um they as

2563
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,639
well don't have any any u uh any

2564
01:53:14,639 --> 01:53:16,880
utilities. Uh and town staff have

2565
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:18,480
addressed inquiries regarding the lot

2566
01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:20,639
line adjustment and process and have

2567
01:53:20,639 --> 01:53:23,040
also clarified that no development is

2568
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:26,639
being proposed at this time.

2569
01:53:26,639 --> 01:53:29,280
And with that, I can take any questions.

2570
01:53:29,280 --> 01:53:32,800
>> Thank you, Mr. Pilchic. Um, any

2571
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,280
questions from the council regarding the

2572
01:53:35,280 --> 01:53:37,119
presentation?

2573
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,719
Yes, council member Crowley.

2574
01:53:38,719 --> 01:53:41,040
>> Thank you, Doug. Can you go back to the

2575
01:53:41,040 --> 01:53:44,800
map, please?

2576
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,000
>> So, on the left, the current, that

2577
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,239
yellow slice,

2578
01:53:50,239 --> 01:53:52,960
and the orange slice. So, who do they

2579
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:54,480
belong to?

2580
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,760
>> It's all part, sorry, it's all part of

2581
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:01,199
1,200 jackling. Uh it's one property but

2582
01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:03,280
three parcels. Actually it's technically

2583
01:54:03,280 --> 01:54:05,599
four but the lot line adjustment is just

2584
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:06,239
for three.

2585
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,960
>> So the property belongs to 12200 Jaclyn

2586
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:12,480
but there's a utility easement

2587
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:14,800
>> existing. Correct. The red line it goes

2588
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,880
pretty much all around the existing

2589
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,639
orange property.

2590
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:20,800
>> But we don't actually have any utilities

2591
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:22,400
there. Is that what you're saying?

2592
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:24,400
>> Correct. It was probably done when the

2593
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:26,239
property was subdivided at some point.

2594
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:28,000
Uh but the town hasn't had any need for

2595
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:28,960
it as of yet.

2596
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:32,960
>> Okay. So there's no change in ownership.

2597
01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:33,280
>> All right.

2598
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:33,679
>> Correct.

2599
01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:35,840
>> Uh thank you.

2600
01:54:35,840 --> 01:54:38,239
>> Thank you. Um Council Member Adams. Oh,

2601
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:39,599
any question?

2602
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:43,119
>> Um just a comment. I really appreciate

2603
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:45,920
having this public discussion. I think

2604
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:49,520
it's obvious where this probably will

2605
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:51,920
lead and I think it's really good for us

2606
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:54,320
in terms of transparency

2607
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,560
to be talking about the importance of

2608
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,679
the easements but also the importance of

2609
01:54:59,679 --> 01:55:02,400
understanding the changes uh that this

2610
01:55:02,400 --> 01:55:05,440
will represent. So I appreciate this

2611
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:11,510
opportunity to again have transparency.

2612
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:14,800
» Thank you. Um, Vice Mayor Rexdale.

2613
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:17,119
>> Um, two questions. One, just to follow

2614
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:19,119
up on Council Member Kick's question.

2615
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:22,320
So, is it probably that in the past on

2616
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,719
the left, that bottom left portion maybe

2617
01:55:24,719 --> 01:55:27,599
was an individual lot and that's why it

2618
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:29,920
had easements all around it and then it

2619
01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,320
was bought up and combined.

2620
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:33,920
>> Correct. It could be any number of

2621
01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:35,520
different things, but yes, most likely.

2622
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,719
>> Okay. Um and then my question is um if

2623
01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:42,639
it if we accepted the uh new easements

2624
01:55:42,639 --> 01:55:46,560
and the vacation of easements um and um

2625
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,280
then the lot line was not uh the lot

2626
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,000
line change was not approved by the

2627
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:54,400
public works director.

2628
01:55:54,400 --> 01:55:56,719
What happens to those easements? They

2629
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:59,360
can they can just stay the new easements

2630
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:03,679
or do they that's just a separate issue?

2631
01:56:03,679 --> 01:56:06,719
>> That is a great question. Uh my guess is

2632
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:10,080
that they most likely will not get

2633
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,159
dedicated. Uh they need to be stamped

2634
01:56:12,159 --> 01:56:14,159
and signed and and there'd need to be a

2635
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:15,760
whole bunch of processes. This is just

2636
01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:19,360
to to accept them. Um they haven't been

2637
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:22,400
approved or or anything like that. Um

2638
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:23,920
that would take a whole a whole separate

2639
01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,480
process which is what would happen after

2640
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:27,840
if they do get approved.

2641
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,000
>> Okay. Oh, that that's a good answer.

2642
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:31,199
Thank you.

2643
01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:34,400
>> Um thank you. Um just a quick followup

2644
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,320
regarding the modifications in the

2645
01:56:36,320 --> 01:56:38,880
easement. It looks like we now have

2646
01:56:38,880 --> 01:56:41,679
access potentially if infrastructure is

2647
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:44,480
needed or easement is needed um within

2648
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:50,800
the property as well. So I assume the the width of those access is

2649
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,400
appropriate for the work we may need to

2650
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:54,800
do in the future if necessary.

2651
01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,360
>> Yeah. Uh it's a typical 5 foot wide

2652
01:56:57,360 --> 01:57:00,080
public utility easement that is across

2653
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,119
town

2654
01:57:01,119 --> 01:57:03,840
>> and and and that access would be deed

2655
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:05,920
indefinitely for the town. In other

2656
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:09,280
words, the town owns that 5-ft access.

2657
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:10,960
>> They have the right to access it. It

2658
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:12,880
would still be part of the property. Uh

2659
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,199
it's just that the town has access to to

2660
01:57:15,199 --> 01:57:15,840
it.

2661
01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:17,040
>> Okay.

2662
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:18,800
>> And and that access basically belongs to

2663
01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:21,280
the town indefinitely is your Yeah.

2664
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,280
Until the council abandons it or

2665
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,520
approves abandonment.

2666
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:28,400
Okay. Um All right. Those are the

2667
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:31,920
clarifying questions. I have any um

2668
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:33,440
Go ahead, Council Member Crow.

2669
01:57:33,440 --> 01:57:34,639
>> One more question. Looking at this,

2670
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:36,719
Doug. So, the street on the left,

2671
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:38,320
looking at this, that's Fagan Drive,

2672
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:40,639
right? Is that Fagan?

2673
01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:41,520
>> Yes.

2674
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:43,199
>> And then the street at the top is

2675
01:57:43,199 --> 01:57:44,320
Armsby, right?

2676
01:57:44,320 --> 01:57:44,880
>> Correct.

2677
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,440
>> So, h how did we get 1200 Jackling out

2678
01:57:47,440 --> 01:57:50,400
of that? And does is the is the address

2679
01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:52,320
going to change?

2680
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:54,639
Uh yes, there is a there is an

2681
01:57:54,639 --> 01:57:56,080
application for an address change to

2682
01:57:56,080 --> 01:57:58,400
make it more current

2683
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:00,639
at some point. I believe the subdivision

2684
01:58:00,639 --> 01:58:03,119
was done in 1960 something.

2685
01:58:03,119 --> 01:58:06,239
>> Um so it's most likely that the access

2686
01:58:06,239 --> 01:58:08,960
was off of Jaclyn at some point, but

2687
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:09,599
>> Okay. Thank you.

2688
01:58:09,599 --> 01:58:12,560
>> Subdivide.

2689
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,599
>> Any additional questions? Okay. Do we um

2690
01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:18,400
have a motion to accept this? Um,

2691
01:58:18,400 --> 01:58:20,159
>> Mayor Cole, uh, this is a public

2692
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:21,360
hearing, so we'd want to open up the

2693
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:22,560
public hearing and see if there's any

2694
01:58:22,560 --> 01:58:23,199
public comment.

2695
01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:25,440
>> Any public comments from the public?

2696
01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:35,750
>> Yes,

2697
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:37,679
my name is Gordon Newman and I've been a

2698
01:58:37,679 --> 01:58:41,520
resident on Pagan Drive since 1974.

2699
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:45,679
>> And um, I also am a civil engineer with

2700
01:58:45,679 --> 01:58:47,440
a professional license. state of

2701
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:50,159
California. I have built thousands of

2702
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:52,480
homes and apartments in the state of

2703
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:55,360
California and in the uh other parts of

2704
01:58:55,360 --> 01:59:00,320
the country. Um I have some concerns and

2705
01:59:00,320 --> 01:59:03,440
I represent some uh residents of Fagan

2706
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:06,400
Drive that have similar concerns. We

2707
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,239
understand this is a preliminary

2708
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:10,560
hearing. We also understand that

2709
01:59:10,560 --> 01:59:13,040
ultimately the homes will be built and

2710
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:15,199
most probably be approved by the city

2711
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:18,639
council. We have one major concern and

2712
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:22,800
that is the uh ability of uh Fagan Drive

2713
01:59:22,800 --> 01:59:26,880
to allow emergency services to be uh

2714
01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:31,119
accessed to Fagan uh during this perhaps

2715
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:33,040
four-year construction period of the two

2716
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:38,480
homes. Um I have spoken to Chief Colola

2717
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,560
and she has similar concerns about

2718
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:42,800
emergency services during that

2719
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:46,000
construction period. Um, I would

2720
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:48,000
therefore like to recommend to the city

2721
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:49,520
council

2722
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:52,719
uh if possible uh during the approval

2723
01:59:52,719 --> 01:59:57,040
process that a construction easement be

2724
01:59:57,040 --> 01:59:59,840
provided to the present homeowner and

2725
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:03,119
developer of these lots so that the

2726
02:00:03,119 --> 02:00:06,080
construction vehicles and necessary

2727
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:09,440
parking etc be on their property not on

2728
02:00:09,440 --> 02:00:11,840
Fagan Drive which would interfere with

2729
02:00:11,840 --> 02:00:16,480
emergency services. Thank you.

2730
02:00:16,480 --> 02:00:17,119
Um,

2731
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:19,040
>> any questions?

2732
02:00:19,040 --> 02:00:21,520
>> Um, just for clarification on your

2733
02:00:21,520 --> 02:00:24,560
comment, I I realize your time is up.

2734
02:00:24,560 --> 02:00:28,320
Specifically, you are asking for the con

2735
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:30,719
uh an exception for the construction

2736
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:34,320
vehicle to be located within the

2737
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:36,320
property as opposed to Fagan Drive.

2738
02:00:36,320 --> 02:00:36,960
>> Yes.

2739
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:40,320
>> Okay. Just wanted to clarify that. Any

2740
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:44,960
questions for the neighbor? No. Any

2741
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:47,199
other comments from the public?

2742
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:49,360
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. I'll Is there I

2743
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:51,040
just checked to see if there's anyone on

2744
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:52,800
Zoom who would like to provide comments

2745
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:54,400
to raise their hand. And if there's

2746
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,080
anyone in the room who would like to

2747
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,159
provide comments, you can

2748
02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:02,880
>> complete a speaker card or let me know.

2749
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:06,239
I'm not seeing any raised hands on Zoom

2750
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:07,760
and I'm not seeing anyone else in the

2751
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:14,070
room who would like to provide comments.

2752
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:16,320
» Okay, seeing no additional questions I

2753
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:18,480
have qu I have um coming back to the

2754
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:20,880
council um could we put the map up

2755
02:01:20,880 --> 02:01:22,960
again? Um and also I guess the question

2756
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:26,000
is for you Mr. Belch or Paul.

2757
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:29,920
Have we ever asked the developer or

2758
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:33,840
builder to um not use the right of way

2759
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:35,840
and provide access for construction

2760
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:38,080
vehicles within the property itself? Is

2761
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:42,709
that a reasonable requ?

2762
02:01:42,719 --> 02:01:46,159
» Yeah. Uh it's it's uh it is reasonable.

2763
02:01:46,159 --> 02:01:47,920
I will say that typically during

2764
02:01:47,920 --> 02:01:49,520
development the contractor will choose

2765
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:52,719
the the most appropriate way um which is

2766
02:01:52,719 --> 02:01:55,360
all taken cons into consideration during

2767
02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:58,080
design review. Um if the properties were

2768
02:01:58,080 --> 02:01:59,440
to get developed they would still go

2769
02:01:59,440 --> 02:02:01,440
through the proper design channels and

2770
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:04,159
have to go through ADRB and and planning

2771
02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:06,719
building engineering all the permits. Um

2772
02:02:06,719 --> 02:02:09,760
and at at that time if um if there were

2773
02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:11,920
concerns about access off of Fagan, we

2774
02:02:11,920 --> 02:02:13,920
can definitely condition the project

2775
02:02:13,920 --> 02:02:16,800
that the contractor come through off of

2776
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,320
Arms Beer or any other way not to affect

2777
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:22,400
any anything off of Fagan.

2778
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:24,159
>> Then just to add a little bit to what

2779
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:25,920
Doug Belch has shared, um the

2780
02:02:25,920 --> 02:02:27,599
application before you is really a lot

2781
02:02:27,599 --> 02:02:29,440
line adjustment. Um so really just

2782
02:02:29,440 --> 02:02:31,199
moving parcel lines on the various

2783
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:33,440
parcels. No development is proposed at

2784
02:02:33,440 --> 02:02:35,760
this point with the application, but the

2785
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:37,679
opportune time I think for council or

2786
02:02:37,679 --> 02:02:39,599
ADRB depending on where it lands in

2787
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:40,880
terms of the approvals. If there's

2788
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:43,040
future homes that are proposed, that

2789
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:44,400
would be the appropriate time for either

2790
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:46,239
of those bodies to basically impose a

2791
02:02:46,239 --> 02:02:48,560
condition as outlined by the commonour.

2792
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:49,760
But tonight it would be a little

2793
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:52,239
premature just because if you if if

2794
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:53,599
ultimately you approve the easements and

2795
02:02:53,599 --> 02:02:55,360
accept them and let's say our city

2796
02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:56,719
engineer does approve the lot line

2797
02:02:56,719 --> 02:02:59,599
adjustment, these lots could sit just as

2798
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:01,199
they are without any development for

2799
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:02,960
decades. Um and so I wouldn't want you

2800
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:04,719
to impose the condition now, but I think

2801
02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:06,320
when it does come back for future

2802
02:03:06,320 --> 02:03:08,320
development and homes are actually being

2803
02:03:08,320 --> 02:03:10,239
proposed at that point. I think our

2804
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:11,440
director of building and planning is

2805
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:13,440
hearing the comment tonight. Um, and so

2806
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:15,440
they will ensure that obviously ADRB

2807
02:03:15,440 --> 02:03:16,880
looks at that. If it ultimately comes to

2808
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:18,320
you at the council level, that's

2809
02:03:18,320 --> 02:03:19,760
something you can impose at that point

2810
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:23,669
as a condition of approval.

2811
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:25,760
» Um, any question? Yes. Um, council

2812
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:27,520
member Adams. Thank you, Christopher,

2813
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,320
for that clarification, but I think your

2814
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,320
question was, do we have a precedent or

2815
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:34,480
have we ever done that? And I saw some

2816
02:03:34,480 --> 02:03:38,400
head shaking. So, in time, that would be

2817
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:41,119
a good thing to make sure that we don't

2818
02:03:41,119 --> 02:03:44,400
forget and that we hear from you again.

2819
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:48,960
So, um I think we're ready to take a

2820
02:03:48,960 --> 02:03:49,280
vote.

2821
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:51,840
>> Yeah. I I think to to respond to the

2822
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:54,080
resident, it's a it's a valid concern

2823
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:57,280
and for the the neighbors on Fagan when

2824
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,239
if construction commences on these lots,

2825
02:04:00,239 --> 02:04:02,880
it's a narrow entrance to the road and

2826
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:05,760
um building and planning um I think

2827
02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:07,520
should and will take that into

2828
02:04:07,520 --> 02:04:09,119
consideration and make sure that there

2829
02:04:09,119 --> 02:04:12,560
is a plan that is safe and the least

2830
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:15,199
amount of disruption possible for the

2831
02:04:15,199 --> 02:04:18,310
neighbors.

2832
02:04:18,320 --> 02:04:20,960
» Thank you. Any additional comments?

2833
02:04:20,960 --> 02:04:24,320
Okay. Then do I have um and no questions

2834
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:25,760
from the public? No additional questions

2835
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:27,280
from the public. Correct.

2836
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:29,760
>> No, Miracle. Thank you,

2837
02:04:29,760 --> 02:04:32,960
>> Mr. Belchick. Do I um recommendation is

2838
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,040
to adopt a resolution accepting a 5 foot

2839
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,280
wide public utility easement on three

2840
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:40,480
parcels at 1200 Jaclyn Drive, APN's

2841
02:04:40,480 --> 02:04:43,920
number listed. um and contingently

2842
02:04:43,920 --> 02:04:46,080
summarily vacating an existing public

2843
02:04:46,080 --> 02:04:48,719
utility easement on two parcels at 1200

2844
02:04:48,719 --> 02:04:50,719
Jaclyn Drive

2845
02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:52,800
pending relocation under secret

2846
02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:54,639
guidelines.

2847
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:57,679
>> So move second.

2848
02:04:57,679 --> 02:04:59,440
>> Could we take a roll call please?

2849
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:01,440
Council member Adams.

2850
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:02,800
>> Yes.

2851
02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,320
>> Council member Kwick.

2852
02:05:04,320 --> 02:05:05,520
>> Yes.

2853
02:05:05,520 --> 02:05:06,960
>> Vice Mayor Rexdale.

2854
02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:08,320
>> Yes.

2855
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:11,599
>> Mayor Cole says yes. Thank you.

2856
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:12,719
Mr. Belchure.

2857
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:14,480
>> It's a very special property. Good luck

2858
02:05:14,480 --> 02:05:15,119
with that.

2859
02:05:15,119 --> 02:05:20,070
>> Yeah.

2860
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:28,390
Hey,

2861
02:05:28,400 --> 02:05:30,239
the next item on our agenda is a

2862
02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:32,400
discussion on ebikes andformational

2863
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:34,320
updates and that will be presented by

2864
02:05:34,320 --> 02:05:39,270
assistant city manager Mandy Brown.

2865
02:05:39,280 --> 02:05:41,119
Good evening, Mayor Cole, Vice Mayor,

2866
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:44,239
and council members. Uh the E stands for

2867
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:46,000
efficient. Tonight is a very efficient

2868
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:49,199
meeting. Moving right along. Um I'm here

2869
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:51,840
to present a briefformational update on

2870
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:54,719
ebikes. Uh trying to provide a broad

2871
02:05:54,719 --> 02:05:57,599
overview of what's the landscape is and

2872
02:05:57,599 --> 02:05:59,599
uh open the discussion for council and

2873
02:05:59,599 --> 02:06:01,920
residents to provide some feedback and

2874
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:04,400
ideas. Um and also just to promote that

2875
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:06,880
there are this is the beginning of the

2876
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:08,480
conversation. There are lots more

2877
02:06:08,480 --> 02:06:10,400
discussions to be had both at the county

2878
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:13,920
level and higher. Um so uh if if we do

2879
02:06:13,920 --> 02:06:15,840
not capture everything tonight uh we

2880
02:06:15,840 --> 02:06:28,470
will continue the conversation.

2881
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:30,719
This is just to provide um an overview

2882
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:33,599
of the different types of ebikes. Um I

2883
02:06:33,599 --> 02:06:35,840
will note that it may be difficult to

2884
02:06:35,840 --> 02:06:37,760
tell with the eye when you're seeing

2885
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:39,760
these ebikes go around whether it's a

2886
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:42,639
class one, class 2, or class 3. Um but

2887
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:44,639
these are the technical definitions and

2888
02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:47,119
it's also included um as a chart in

2889
02:06:47,119 --> 02:06:49,679
attachment one um just to give an

2890
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:51,679
overview of what we're talking about and

2891
02:06:51,679 --> 02:06:54,639
the speeds um pedal assist and there's

2892
02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:56,239
some other details but this is really

2893
02:06:56,239 --> 02:07:01,750
just a high level

2894
02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:03,440
again not meant to be exhaustive but

2895
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:05,040
just to say why are we having this

2896
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:07,119
conversation ebikes do have a lot of

2897
02:07:07,119 --> 02:07:08,960
benefits especially for a town like

2898
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:11,920
Hillsboro where there is a a challenges

2899
02:07:11,920 --> 02:07:13,920
with that last mile connectivity between

2900
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:16,000
homes and transit stations like Cal

2901
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,560
Train station or bus stations. They're

2902
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:20,560
very helpful to improve accessibility

2903
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:23,119
especially on our beautiful hills um

2904
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:26,480
here in town. And it's also a very nice

2905
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:28,239
uh alternative to vehicular traffic,

2906
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:31,280
getting people out of their cars um and

2907
02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:33,920
just be having more access to different

2908
02:07:33,920 --> 02:07:36,639
places.

2909
02:07:36,639 --> 02:07:38,639
That said, they do come with some risks

2910
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:40,639
because they do go fast and they are so

2911
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:42,560
efficient. there is a greater increase

2912
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,960
of injury especially when you're not

2913
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,679
using proper helmets um if you're

2914
02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:50,639
speeding. Um also there are ways to

2915
02:07:50,639 --> 02:07:52,560
modify the equipment to make them go

2916
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:54,960
faster than they're supposed to be um

2917
02:07:54,960 --> 02:07:58,159
ridden and so that increases uh injury

2918
02:07:58,159 --> 02:08:01,760
as well. lack of education and training.

2919
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,000
Unlike driving where you're required to

2920
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:06,400
get a license and go through specific

2921
02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:08,800
training, uh there isn't necessarily

2922
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:11,360
formalized training and education,

2923
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:12,960
though this is improving and I'll go

2924
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:14,719
through a couple of those resources

2925
02:08:14,719 --> 02:08:16,960
tonight, but it's not mandated the same

2926
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:21,040
way it is um with driving vehicles.

2927
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:22,480
Um and then the enforcement of the

2928
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:26,079
regulations. Um our uh wonderful HPD

2929
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:28,079
does a wonderful does a great job of

2930
02:08:28,079 --> 02:08:30,480
making sure that they have resources and

2931
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:32,079
they're going out proactively to the

2932
02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:34,639
community. Um but there are a lot of

2933
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:38,159
ebikes um around town and so uh HPD

2934
02:08:38,159 --> 02:08:40,560
can't be everywhere. And so um also

2935
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:43,199
offering some tools to uh just increase

2936
02:08:43,199 --> 02:08:45,040
the public education for some self-p

2937
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:49,669
policing as well.

2938
02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:51,040
Just a broad overview of what I'll talk

2939
02:08:51,040 --> 02:08:52,639
about tonight. The staff report has a

2940
02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:54,239
lot of detail. I've kept it a little bit

2941
02:08:54,239 --> 02:08:56,560
higher level for the PowerPoint. Um, so

2942
02:08:56,560 --> 02:08:59,199
I'll just go over kind of big to small

2943
02:08:59,199 --> 02:09:00,800
what's being done at the state level,

2944
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:03,040
some other counties in the state, what's

2945
02:09:03,040 --> 02:09:05,280
being done in Samonteo

2946
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:07,599
County in the town, and then offering

2947
02:09:07,599 --> 02:09:12,149
some tools and resources.

2948
02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:15,520
So there is a lot that's been done um at

2949
02:09:15,520 --> 02:09:17,840
the state level and also continuing to

2950
02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:21,040
be done even since we did this published

2951
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:23,599
the staff report. Um there is new

2952
02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:25,360
legislation that we're actively

2953
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,760
monitoring and will uh continue to

2954
02:09:27,760 --> 02:09:30,480
monitor. Uh but the first three bullet

2955
02:09:30,480 --> 02:09:33,040
points are a summary of some of the

2956
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,440
ebike laws that passed and have gone

2957
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:38,159
into effect this year. Um, so

2958
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:40,639
prohibiting the selling a class 3 ebike

2959
02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:43,679
to anyone under 16, requiring the rear

2960
02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:46,400
red reflector, um, and then prohibiting

2961
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,480
the sale of applications to modify an

2962
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:51,520
ebike speed capabilities. Um, and I

2963
02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:53,440
think we've talked about the rear red

2964
02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:55,360
reflector in the past and whether or not

2965
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:58,560
that's really a feasible way to promote

2966
02:09:58,560 --> 02:10:01,920
safety. What it does is it um it does

2967
02:10:01,920 --> 02:10:06,159
sort of give HPD um the opportunity to

2968
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:08,480
begin the safety conversations if the

2969
02:10:08,480 --> 02:10:10,719
reflector is not there. Um so it does

2970
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:12,880
help with enforcement and at least um

2971
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:16,639
some education uh in that way even if it

2972
02:10:16,639 --> 02:10:18,560
the rear reflector may not on its face

2973
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:21,520
seem like the the most efficient safety

2974
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,880
measure. Um so new proposed legislation

2975
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:26,560
AB1557

2976
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:29,920
um by PAPEN is there's a multitude of

2977
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:31,199
things. This is really just a high

2978
02:10:31,199 --> 02:10:33,440
level. Um we did link um the full

2979
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:35,840
language um in the staff report. So

2980
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:37,520
giving local law enforcement clear

2981
02:10:37,520 --> 02:10:41,199
authority um to address these ebikes. Um

2982
02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:43,360
and then Davies some ebike safety

2983
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:46,400
requirements at schools which is being

2984
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:49,119
done in our Sono County uh schools

2985
02:10:49,119 --> 02:10:51,920
resources. um it's just not required

2986
02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:55,189
right now.

2987
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:57,360
There are some other counties uh in

2988
02:10:57,360 --> 02:10:59,679
California that have obtained pilot

2989
02:10:59,679 --> 02:11:02,560
programs uh to limit uh safety

2990
02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:06,960
regulations. So um Marin County and San

2991
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:08,400
Diego County you'll probably hear about

2992
02:11:08,400 --> 02:11:11,040
a lot and this is allowing jurisdictions

2993
02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:13,360
to essentially opt in to more

2994
02:11:13,360 --> 02:11:16,239
restrictive age restrictions. And these

2995
02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:18,079
pilots are really supposed to run

2996
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:20,960
through January 1st, 2029 with the idea

2997
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:23,280
that once the pilot period concludes,

2998
02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:25,199
they will consider rolling it out to

2999
02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:28,400
other counties. Um there has been a lot

3000
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:30,159
of interest from counties that are not

3001
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:33,360
in the pilot program to be allowed into

3002
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:35,040
the pilot program or to develop their

3003
02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:38,560
own. Um and so we are monitoring seeing

3004
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:40,639
how these are going and the various

3005
02:11:40,639 --> 02:11:42,880
cities within these counties are uh in

3006
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:44,639
the process of sort of adopting those

3007
02:11:44,639 --> 02:11:47,280
measures. And so I've provided a a

3008
02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:48,639
summary of the cities that have have

3009
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:50,159
joined in. But there's a lot of

3010
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:51,840
interest. I think most of the cities in

3011
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:54,000
San Diego County are at least discussing

3012
02:11:54,000 --> 02:11:57,360
it if not taking tangible steps towards

3013
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:02,629
um joining the program.

3014
02:12:02,639 --> 02:12:04,719
Santo County is also doing a lot in

3015
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:07,040
terms of resources. The San Monteo

3016
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:08,880
County Office of Education has a whole

3017
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:12,560
library of ebike toolkit and trainings

3018
02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:14,960
um with webinars and resources for

3019
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:17,360
parents uh translated into multiple

3020
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:19,760
languages. Um and I'll speak a little

3021
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,280
bit more about the town's efforts, but

3022
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:23,040
this is something that has been promoted

3023
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:24,639
both through our school district as well

3024
02:12:24,639 --> 02:12:28,079
as through town communications.

3025
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:30,000
We also hear a lot about other cities

3026
02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,719
that have passed regulations or ebike

3027
02:12:32,719 --> 02:12:35,360
bans locally. We hear about Berling game

3028
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:40,400
and we hear about Milbre. Uh these it's an important clarification that

3029
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:43,119
these um ordinances prohibit the

3030
02:12:43,119 --> 02:12:46,560
operation of ebikes in public areas uh

3031
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:48,560
and in park or recreation areas or

3032
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:51,119
sidewalks. They do not prohibit their

3033
02:12:51,119 --> 02:12:53,360
use on the actual roads. So those are

3034
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:56,960
governed not by town ordinances. So the

3035
02:12:56,960 --> 02:12:59,679
town of Hillsbor does not have a large

3036
02:12:59,679 --> 02:13:02,719
number of parks or trail system. um that

3037
02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:04,639
would be what an ordinance if we were to

3038
02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:06,719
adopt something would really govern. It

3039
02:13:06,719 --> 02:13:09,520
would not impact riding ebikes along the

3040
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:11,679
actual streets of Hillsboro. So, I just

3041
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:13,679
wanted to make that clarification uh

3042
02:13:13,679 --> 02:13:15,280
because I do think sometimes it get

3043
02:13:15,280 --> 02:13:18,239
could become confusing in news articles

3044
02:13:18,239 --> 02:13:21,040
um and word of mouth.

3045
02:13:21,040 --> 02:13:23,280
Um, again,

3046
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,840
some cities that that don't uh haven't

3047
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,400
have opted to not adopt an ordinance do

3048
02:13:28,400 --> 02:13:30,639
have moreformational

3049
02:13:30,639 --> 02:13:33,520
resources and then additional town halls

3050
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:35,920
and listening sessions. Um, I think our

3051
02:13:35,920 --> 02:13:39,199
weekly bulletin has been 60% ebike town

3052
02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:42,239
halls lately um promoting them. Uh, we

3053
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:44,239
had Josh Becker, Diane Papin had one

3054
02:13:44,239 --> 02:13:47,119
with um Ana um the lead of our Hillsboro

3055
02:13:47,119 --> 02:13:49,840
Youth Commission speaking at it. Um

3056
02:13:49,840 --> 02:13:53,280
there's two events tomorrow on ebikes um

3057
02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:55,119
that Vice Mayor Ragn and I are tag

3058
02:13:55,119 --> 02:13:58,239
teaming. So it it's continuing to gain

3059
02:13:58,239 --> 02:13:59,920
some traction and so hopefully that will

3060
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:05,990
result in some some meaningful change.

3061
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:07,760
Now what is being done at the town

3062
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,360
level? So we are tracking that

3063
02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:11,199
legislation at the state level meeting

3064
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:13,280
with our legislative consultant. Our

3065
02:14:13,280 --> 02:14:16,079
legislative platform does have language

3066
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:18,159
uh to limit the ability for users to

3067
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:21,599
alter ebikes. We also are doing this

3068
02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:23,440
through the League of California Cities.

3069
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:25,360
Um they have a strong initiative to

3070
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:28,000
monitor this legislation. Um, but having

3071
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:30,800
that in our platform means that as these

3072
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:32,800
proposed bills are moving very quickly

3073
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:35,199
through Sacramento, we are able to write

3074
02:14:35,199 --> 02:14:37,840
letters of support um, and be very

3075
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:40,400
nimble to make sure that we're showing

3076
02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:42,800
um, that we want to see that legislation

3077
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:45,360
pass. And so that's very helpful um,

3078
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,199
making sure that our voice is being

3079
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:51,030
incorporated in that conversation.

3080
02:14:51,040 --> 02:14:53,040
As you know, uh you guys passed and

3081
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:54,639
adopted the bicycle and pedestrian

3082
02:14:54,639 --> 02:14:56,639
master plan, uh with a huge thanks to

3083
02:14:56,639 --> 02:14:58,480
the public works and building and

3084
02:14:58,480 --> 02:15:00,639
planning staff for helping spearhead

3085
02:15:00,639 --> 02:15:04,000
this. Uh this master plan contains some

3086
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:06,960
policies for consideration to be um

3087
02:15:06,960 --> 02:15:09,599
adopted by the city in the future,

3088
02:15:09,599 --> 02:15:11,679
including prohibiting riders from riding

3089
02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:14,000
unsafe speeds, encouraging safety

3090
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:16,800
courses, um and additional helmets and

3091
02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:19,119
bike lights. Uh, I do want to address I

3092
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:20,639
know the council received a public

3093
02:15:20,639 --> 02:15:22,560
comment regarding some infrastructure

3094
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:24,719
improvements and the bike and ped master

3095
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:28,880
plan does contain um some some

3096
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:32,400
infrastructure improvements. Uh so

3097
02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:34,800
was not ignored. Uh it was meant to be

3098
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:36,400
captured. Each one of these bullet

3099
02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:37,599
points could probably be their own

3100
02:15:37,599 --> 02:15:40,320
presentation in themsel. Um so we're

3101
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:41,679
just trying to capture it at a high

3102
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:43,520
level. But the bike ped master plan does

3103
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:45,679
also have recommendations for physical

3104
02:15:45,679 --> 02:15:47,599
barriers and improvements and things to

3105
02:15:47,599 --> 02:15:49,920
improve safe biking in the town of

3106
02:15:49,920 --> 02:15:53,510
Hillsboro.

3107
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:55,920
I mentioned HPD before. They have done

3108
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,639
three specific trainings on ebikes and I

3109
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:00,239
did include their PowerPoint as an

3110
02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:02,719
attachment to the staff report um most

3111
02:16:02,719 --> 02:16:06,320
recently just in January. Um and and had

3112
02:16:06,320 --> 02:16:08,239
very good attendance at Crocker Middle

3113
02:16:08,239 --> 02:16:12,709
School.

3114
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:14,719
Um, additional public education

3115
02:16:14,719 --> 02:16:17,760
outreach. We have a ebike website. So,

3116
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:19,360
hillsboro.net/ebikes

3117
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:21,679
which just has a summary um of a lot of

3118
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:23,199
the information here tonight. All of

3119
02:16:23,199 --> 02:16:25,040
those resources from the county and

3120
02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:27,360
otherwise the HPD presentation is on

3121
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:30,000
there as well. Uh and so it's a easy

3122
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:32,240
place uh to and as we get more

3123
02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:34,240
information uh and these webinars come

3124
02:16:34,240 --> 02:16:35,920
out we'll make sure to update it with

3125
02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:38,399
the record links to recordings the youth

3126
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:40,639
commission survey uh for example we'll

3127
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:42,319
make sure to plug here just so it will

3128
02:16:42,319 --> 02:16:44,960
be a living library of ebikes in

3129
02:16:44,960 --> 02:16:50,549
Hillsboro.

3130
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:52,479
I did to want to just while we're on the

3131
02:16:52,479 --> 02:16:55,679
topic um offer a couple of just best

3132
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:58,800
practices uh both for parents and for

3133
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:02,559
kids uh not just ebikes but um all

3134
02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:05,599
biking uh in town. Um ensuring that

3135
02:17:05,599 --> 02:17:07,040
you're wearing a helmet and that it

3136
02:17:07,040 --> 02:17:09,760
fits. Um making sure that you're

3137
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:12,479
practicing passenger safety. Um and

3138
02:17:12,479 --> 02:17:14,160
reminding that carrying a passenger is

3139
02:17:14,160 --> 02:17:16,319
legal only if your ebike has a seat for

3140
02:17:16,319 --> 02:17:19,200
another person. I know that we often see

3141
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:20,960
that is not the case riding around

3142
02:17:20,960 --> 02:17:22,800
Hillsboro. I know I've seen it. Um and

3143
02:17:22,800 --> 02:17:24,160
so just making sure that everybody's

3144
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:27,599
aware of the legal rules.

3145
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:29,760
Being responsible not just as a a bike

3146
02:17:29,760 --> 02:17:32,639
rider but also on in a vehicle. Um being

3147
02:17:32,639 --> 02:17:35,599
aware of ebikes and being responsible,

3148
02:17:35,599 --> 02:17:37,359
predictable and visible, wearing bright

3149
02:17:37,359 --> 02:17:41,679
colors and lights uh when you can and uh

3150
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:43,840
slowing the speed. So higher the speed,

3151
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:45,760
the higher the risk. So, I'm just

3152
02:17:45,760 --> 02:17:47,920
encouraging folks to ride at safe speeds

3153
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,559
and please do not modify your ebike to

3154
02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:54,870
ride at an unsafe speed.

3155
02:17:54,880 --> 02:17:56,639
This is another resource from safe

3156
02:17:56,639 --> 02:17:58,960
routes that we'll link um on the

3157
02:17:58,960 --> 02:18:01,200
website, but uh specifically geared

3158
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:03,120
towards parents. So, a lot of these

3159
02:18:03,120 --> 02:18:04,719
resources are geared towards specific

3160
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:07,040
audiences.

3161
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,040
Again,

3162
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:11,439
just another plug for our our website

3163
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:13,679
and this is the basic information of

3164
02:18:13,679 --> 02:18:15,439
what is on our website. So, the rules of

3165
02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:17,840
riding an ebike, ebike and bike safety

3166
02:18:17,840 --> 02:18:20,000
tips, how to report illegal or

3167
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:21,920
concerning bike behavior. We do get that

3168
02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:24,479
question a lot and then access to that

3169
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:28,160
library of tools and resources.

3170
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:30,160
So, with that, I'll open up uh for

3171
02:18:30,160 --> 02:18:32,319
discussion or questions to keep the

3172
02:18:32,319 --> 02:18:33,760
conversation going. Thanks for your

3173
02:18:33,760 --> 02:18:34,559
time.

3174
02:18:34,559 --> 02:18:37,120
>> Thank you, Mandy. Um, thank you so much

3175
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:38,479
for the work you've been doing on this.

3176
02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:39,840
And before I open it up to my

3177
02:18:39,840 --> 02:18:41,599
colleagues, I would like to first also

3178
02:18:41,599 --> 02:18:43,840
take the opportunity to thank our vice

3179
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:47,200
mayor, uh, Leslie Ragdale has been not

3180
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:49,040
only representing the town quite well in

3181
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:50,960
moving this discussion forward, but

3182
02:18:50,960 --> 02:18:52,559
she's just been very diligent and

3183
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:55,599
persistent working with HPD as well as

3184
02:18:55,599 --> 02:18:58,080
the school, the the schools and the

3185
02:18:58,080 --> 02:19:00,319
stakeholders at the school to move the

3186
02:19:00,319 --> 02:19:02,080
education and information on this

3187
02:19:02,080 --> 02:19:03,439
project. Thank you so much, Leslie. I've

3188
02:19:03,439 --> 02:19:05,920
been quite impressed with the speed and

3189
02:19:05,920 --> 02:19:07,599
elacrity you've moved this whole

3190
02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:10,160
discussion forward. Um I will now open

3191
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:12,319
it up to my colleagues for questions for

3192
02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:19,120
clarifications on the presentation. Um Caswell Adams and just a quick

3193
02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:21,760
question about the ordinance that uh is

3194
02:19:21,760 --> 02:19:24,719
in Berling game about restricting

3195
02:19:24,719 --> 02:19:27,439
driving to roads.

3196
02:19:27,439 --> 02:19:30,080
We have a few places in Hillsboro that

3197
02:19:30,080 --> 02:19:34,160
would be tempting that are off-road. Um

3198
02:19:34,160 --> 02:19:37,040
would it be within our purview to create

3199
02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:38,559
legislation

3200
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:42,160
similarly that you must use these bikes

3201
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:45,589
on roads?

3202
02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:47,120
» I can look into it especially if you

3203
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:49,680
have specific areas and we can work with

3204
02:19:49,680 --> 02:19:51,439
the city attorney's office to see what

3205
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:55,990
capabilities we have. Certainly.

3206
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:58,800
Council member uh Trunk,

3207
02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:00,399
>> thank you. Um thank you for the

3208
02:20:00,399 --> 02:20:02,960
presentation and thank you Vice Mayor uh

3209
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:06,800
Rexels for um you know um spearheading

3210
02:20:06,800 --> 02:20:09,040
it. Um there are certainly a lot of

3211
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:11,760
discussions regarding this and my

3212
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:15,439
question is this one. Um and that that's

3213
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:18,880
sort of dubtail to uh our uh chief. Uh

3214
02:20:18,880 --> 02:20:20,880
perhaps you can come up to the podium

3215
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:24,720
and talk a little bit about um the um

3216
02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:27,439
the meeting with um the students, the

3217
02:20:27,439 --> 02:20:30,160
Kroger students. I think um the

3218
02:20:30,160 --> 02:20:33,040
education piece is fantastic and the

3219
02:20:33,040 --> 02:20:35,520
peer-to-peer discussions with the

3220
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:38,800
officers has been very effective.

3221
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:42,399
>> Yes, that's correct. Uh we had our first

3222
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:45,520
session uh in the beginning of the

3223
02:20:45,520 --> 02:20:48,880
school year and that was uh widely

3224
02:20:48,880 --> 02:20:52,240
attended. A lot of kids came. Uh we had

3225
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:55,520
our second session uh last week or the

3226
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:59,280
week before sorry and uh that was also

3227
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:02,240
uh very well attended. uh the officers

3228
02:21:02,240 --> 02:21:04,800
give a wonderful presentation

3229
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:09,359
and uh really give that personal uh

3230
02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:13,280
level to the to the students. Um we

3231
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:17,120
recently had a uh parent uh before

3232
02:21:17,120 --> 02:21:19,600
Christmas break for the kids for the

3233
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:21,280
parents who are going to buy uh bikes

3234
02:21:21,280 --> 02:21:23,520
for the students just to give them heads

3235
02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:26,720
up and what to look for and you know

3236
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:29,920
most importantly it's the education for

3237
02:21:29,920 --> 02:21:33,760
the students and uh to help them make

3238
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:35,520
right decisions

3239
02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:38,319
>> and and I I I maybe you want to talk a

3240
02:21:38,319 --> 02:21:40,080
little bit about the assembly that you

3241
02:21:40,080 --> 02:21:43,200
intended to push push out uh maybe at

3242
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,880
the uh later of this year uh so that

3243
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:48,800
people would actually bring their bikes

3244
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:52,560
in and then be able to have u sort of a

3245
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:54,880
pure conversation

3246
02:21:54,880 --> 02:21:57,520
um among the students with parents and

3247
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,359
also with the officers.

3248
02:21:59,359 --> 02:22:01,680
>> Correct. So we're going to have we're

3249
02:22:01,680 --> 02:22:04,399
not calling it a a bike rodeo. It's more

3250
02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:07,040
like a skills session where the officers

3251
02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:08,479
will be there. where they'll be able to

3252
02:22:08,479 --> 02:22:10,800
check the students bikes and make sure

3253
02:22:10,800 --> 02:22:13,280
they haven't been modified or if they

3254
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:16,479
have any questions on how to ride them.

3255
02:22:16,479 --> 02:22:19,920
Uh we'll put them through a little kind

3256
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:22,880
of an obstacle and just be there for the

3257
02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:27,760
students in case they need any help. And I think this is would be a good

3258
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,280
point for me to just kind of bring it

3259
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:32,240
up. One of the observation I had is when

3260
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:36,960
you have more than three cyclists

3261
02:22:36,960 --> 02:22:39,760
um on the road literally they're the you

3262
02:22:39,760 --> 02:22:41,840
know the formation of a size of a

3263
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:45,200
vehicle and as drivers we don't know how

3264
02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:47,280
to approach them. you don't know how to

3265
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:49,680
pass them or you want to follow them

3266
02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,640
behind them and they also seem like that

3267
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:56,720
they are not sure exactly how they are

3268
02:22:56,720 --> 02:22:59,760
able to move forward with their

3269
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:02,160
formation. So I think that that would be

3270
02:23:02,160 --> 02:23:05,040
something either in our website or in

3271
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:07,840
the presentation to have conversation

3272
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:10,160
regarding the formation so that they

3273
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:14,000
will keep themselves safe and it's also

3274
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:16,720
uh less of a frustrations for the driver

3275
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:19,120
trying to pass them by and create

3276
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,200
potential accidents.

3277
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:23,120
>> Sure. And that is uh something that they

3278
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:25,359
discussed during the uh presentations

3279
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:27,439
that we gave earlier.

3280
02:23:27,439 --> 02:23:28,720
>> Thank you. Thank you chief.

3281
02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:29,120
>> Sure.

3282
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:32,720
>> Thank you chief. Um, Council Member

3283
02:23:32,720 --> 02:23:35,600
Kwick,

3284
02:23:35,600 --> 02:23:37,280
>> thank you. Thank you, Mandy, for the

3285
02:23:37,280 --> 02:23:39,760
presentation and also thank you, yeah,

3286
02:23:39,760 --> 02:23:41,600
Leslie, and and everybody that's been

3287
02:23:41,600 --> 02:23:45,120
working up for and and Chief, and that

3288
02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:47,200
is all the things that have been done so

3289
02:23:47,200 --> 02:23:49,439
far to try and keep our residents and

3290
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:51,280
especially our youth safe. So, I just

3291
02:23:51,280 --> 02:23:53,920
have two questions, Mandy. Um, it said

3292
02:23:53,920 --> 02:23:56,160
class one, no throttle, class two

3293
02:23:56,160 --> 02:23:58,160
throttle, and then class three is no

3294
02:23:58,160 --> 02:24:00,160
throttle again.

3295
02:24:00,160 --> 02:24:03,760
So why is um what makes class three I

3296
02:24:03,760 --> 02:24:11,349
assume that's more powerful?

3297
02:24:11,359 --> 02:24:12,880
Let me pull up them. There's an

3298
02:24:12,880 --> 02:24:16,080
attachment with a bit more um

3299
02:24:16,080 --> 02:24:22,950
specificity. Um the attachment one which

3300
02:24:22,960 --> 02:24:24,560
has

3301
02:24:24,560 --> 02:24:27,200
I'll have to get back to you. I I'm

3302
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:28,960
still learning a lot of these these

3303
02:24:28,960 --> 02:24:30,800
terms and stuff. There's kind of its own

3304
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:31,359
world.

3305
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:33,120
>> I didn't mean to play stump the deputy

3306
02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:34,880
city manager. Yeah.

3307
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:36,479
>> All right. So, we'll we'll table that.

3308
02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:38,240
And then my second question is for

3309
02:24:38,240 --> 02:24:40,800
Christopher. What what uh our city

3310
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:43,439
attorney, what parameters are we

3311
02:24:43,439 --> 02:24:46,479
permitted to set around this?

3312
02:24:46,479 --> 02:24:48,160
>> Yeah, it's a complicated question and I

3313
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:49,840
know Mandy's done some of the research.

3314
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:51,600
Uh Leslie attended a call with one of my

3315
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:53,760
associates who's dug into the ebike

3316
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:55,280
regulations. We have seen some

3317
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:57,439
ordinances that we've adopted uh for

3318
02:24:57,439 --> 02:25:00,000
certain cities within the state limited

3319
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:02,720
kind of um scope um and I could probably

3320
02:25:02,720 --> 02:25:04,560
bring more to you if you are interested

3321
02:25:04,560 --> 02:25:06,160
in looking at an ordinance just kind of

3322
02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:08,479
what the parameters would be um but yes

3323
02:25:08,479 --> 02:25:10,319
it is limited the state has set some of

3324
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:12,560
the requirements um and you don't want

3325
02:25:12,560 --> 02:25:14,080
to deviate from what the state has set

3326
02:25:14,080 --> 02:25:15,439
but there are certain things that we can

3327
02:25:15,439 --> 02:25:16,960
regulate and I can come back with more

3328
02:25:16,960 --> 02:25:18,800
specificity if if that's desired of the

3329
02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:19,680
council.

3330
02:25:19,680 --> 02:25:21,120
>> Thank you. Those are all my questions. I

3331
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,640
have thoughts but that's after public

3332
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:26,720
comment. Um, Vice Mayor Rexdale,

3333
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:30,560
>> um, uh, with regard to class three, they

3334
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:33,520
they're age 16 and up by state law. Um,

3335
02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:36,319
but they can go up to 28 miles per hour.

3336
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:38,880
And I'm not sure if you have to pedal

3337
02:25:38,880 --> 02:25:41,120
assist on a class three. I think you

3338
02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:43,040
might just be able to ride it with the

3339
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:44,560
throttle

3340
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,520
and and not pedal assist. You do have to

3341
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:51,040
pedal still on the three. Okay. But

3342
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:52,720
on the three, that's the thing that

3343
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:54,080
confuses me. Well, there's a lot that's

3344
02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:56,880
confusing, but yeah. So, the class three

3345
02:25:56,880 --> 02:26:00,160
um can go up to 28 miles per hour. And

3346
02:26:00,160 --> 02:26:02,399
when they talk about miles per hour, if

3347
02:26:02,399 --> 02:26:04,560
you're going downhill, even not

3348
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:07,040
modified, even a legal bike, you you you

3349
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:11,600
could be going faster. Um so, um

3350
02:26:11,600 --> 02:26:14,560
I have more opinions than questions, so

3351
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:16,160
I'm going to wait. But I just want to

3352
02:26:16,160 --> 02:26:18,640
thank you so much, Mandy, for this

3353
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:20,319
amazing presentation that I've already

3354
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:22,560
mentioned to a couple of people. Um and

3355
02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:24,640
point out um in case everyone leaves

3356
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:28,000
before my opinions um that the town hall

3357
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:31,520
tomorrow is at 2 o'clock um with the

3358
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:34,399
county supervisors led by supervisor

3359
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:37,439
Spear and uh Supervisor Muller at 2

3360
02:26:37,439 --> 02:26:40,960
o'clock tomorrow um down in Rabbit City.

3361
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:42,479
>> Thanks for that reminder. I will get to

3362
02:26:42,479 --> 02:26:44,000
you in one second. I I just have one

3363
02:26:44,000 --> 02:26:46,800
clarifying question for Mandy or whoever

3364
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:49,600
has the answer regarding the pending

3365
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:54,319
legislation. um that is looking at age.

3366
02:26:54,319 --> 02:26:56,080
Are they actually talking about license

3367
02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:59,680
that would prove the age that you are?

3368
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:01,520
Is that included? I think this is the

3369
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:05,520
Papen um legislation. Do we know?

3370
02:27:05,520 --> 02:27:07,680
>> Yes. And and at her most recent town

3371
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:10,240
hall, I believe she received quite a bit

3372
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:14,080
of feedback on on this legislation. So,

3373
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:16,720
I I hesitate to opine on on what that

3374
02:27:16,720 --> 02:27:18,240
means in terms of the actual

3375
02:27:18,240 --> 02:27:21,120
enforcement. Um, and I do I do

3376
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:22,479
anticipate and our legislative

3377
02:27:22,479 --> 02:27:24,479
consultant anticipated that there may be

3378
02:27:24,479 --> 02:27:26,080
some

3379
02:27:26,080 --> 02:27:27,920
changes coming and and what has been

3380
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:29,359
proposed based on some feedback that

3381
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:31,920
she'd received. So, we'll um get a an

3382
02:27:31,920 --> 02:27:33,280
update and we'll either make sure to

3383
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:35,040
include it in the legislative report

3384
02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:37,439
that is in your packet each month or um

3385
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:39,920
send it um to you separately.

3386
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:42,880
>> Okay. Thank you. And I will um turn it

3387
02:27:42,880 --> 02:27:44,560
over to uh

3388
02:27:44,560 --> 02:27:45,520
>> Hi. Hi.

3389
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:48,240
>> Good evening. I'm Naen Taylor Barnes, a

3390
02:27:48,240 --> 02:27:50,479
longtime Hillsboro resident.

3391
02:27:50,479 --> 02:27:51,200
>> Hello, Nadine.

3392
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:54,240
>> And u the reason I'm here is also to

3393
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:56,240
help with the hopefully help with the

3394
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:58,800
ebike issue. I've been working a lot

3395
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:02,800
with UCSF and then also with Marin

3396
02:28:02,800 --> 02:28:04,720
County. We've been in the middle of all

3397
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:07,600
of of this for quite a while. Uh and

3398
02:28:07,600 --> 02:28:10,399
also I have had to learn a lot. But

3399
02:28:10,399 --> 02:28:12,880
basically, uh, I do want to thank

3400
02:28:12,880 --> 02:28:15,920
Christine because I got her attention,

3401
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:18,000
uh, also on this issue. And then Leslie,

3402
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:19,760
I haven't met you yet, even though we've

3403
02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:22,399
emailed extensively. Uh, and then of

3404
02:28:22,399 --> 02:28:24,800
course Anna and even Brody who've done a

3405
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:26,880
lot of work on the upcoming article. I

3406
02:28:26,880 --> 02:28:29,040
think that will really help matters.

3407
02:28:29,040 --> 02:28:31,680
Okay? Because you have to educate the

3408
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:34,240
parents. They are buying these bikes.

3409
02:28:34,240 --> 02:28:37,200
They don't know um, they don't know what

3410
02:28:37,200 --> 02:28:39,600
they're buying. All right? The kids are

3411
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:42,640
saying, "Oh, my friend has this. Please

3412
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:44,479
get it for me." This is what we saw in

3413
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:48,080
Marin. Uh there is actually even fraud

3414
02:28:48,080 --> 02:28:52,720
where uh bikes are being sold as ebikes,

3415
02:28:52,720 --> 02:28:54,640
but they're not. They're much more

3416
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:57,200
highowered. You have the software that

3417
02:28:57,200 --> 02:29:01,120
can modify even the the legal bikes. So,

3418
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:04,479
this is very very confusing for parents

3419
02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:06,800
and you know, we can wait for the

3420
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:08,399
legislation. And there's a lot of

3421
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:10,399
legislation. There are a lot of studies

3422
02:29:10,399 --> 02:29:14,080
now. But I think you have to get to the

3423
02:29:14,080 --> 02:29:16,800
parents and to the kids, which you know,

3424
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:19,520
it's so good to see the extensiveness of

3425
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:22,160
this of the program that Hillsboro is

3426
02:29:22,160 --> 02:29:24,319
planning. And let me tell you why.

3427
02:29:24,319 --> 02:29:27,040
because I don't know how many of you

3428
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:30,160
have seen the big New York Times uh the

3429
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:32,399
cover story, the Sunday magazine cover

3430
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:36,720
story uh with Amelia Stafford who was 15

3431
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:40,560
at the time. My son operated on her when

3432
02:29:40,560 --> 02:29:45,120
she came into the hospital in Marin um

3433
02:29:45,120 --> 02:29:47,600
having just suffered you know an ebike.

3434
02:29:47,600 --> 02:29:50,640
She was on they think a class two which

3435
02:29:50,640 --> 02:29:52,960
was a legal you know illegal ebike but

3436
02:29:52,960 --> 02:29:56,560
she had jumped on just to try it just to

3437
02:29:56,560 --> 02:30:00,080
go down the block. She fell off and had

3438
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:03,520
severe traumatic brain injury and this

3439
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:05,280
is the thing. This is what parents have

3440
02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:10,080
to understand. the injuries are far more

3441
02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:13,120
you have more injuries much more in the

3442
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:16,640
way of traumatic brain injuries and then

3443
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:19,359
on top of that you know you're talking

3444
02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:22,560
about extensive hospitalizations you're

3445
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:26,960
talking about u rehabilitation

3446
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:31,200
uh and so and that's if you survive okay

3447
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:33,760
you're looking at a lifechanging event

3448
02:30:33,760 --> 02:30:36,240
it's not one and done and then of Of

3449
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:38,160
course the death rate is so much higher.

3450
02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:41,120
They found in Marin one in eight you

3451
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:44,000
know and then now some new statistics

3452
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:46,479
are that two to three you know this is

3453
02:30:46,479 --> 02:30:50,080
just on the the ebikes uh two to three

3454
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:52,720
times more likely to have traumatic

3455
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:55,680
brain injury and then the death rate

3456
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:59,280
four to five times more. Now part of why

3457
02:30:59,280 --> 02:31:02,800
I also wanted to discuss this is because

3458
02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:05,680
the misnomer it's called an ebike and in

3459
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:09,600
Europe uh all of almost all of what is

3460
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:14,319
sold here as ebikes would be classified

3461
02:31:14,319 --> 02:31:18,080
as mopeds and under strict regulations

3462
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:21,200
in Europe. So you have the misnomer

3463
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:23,920
where parents are feeling maybe more

3464
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:27,760
casual about it. uh you have fraudulent

3465
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:30,960
advertising and then on top of that now

3466
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:34,399
what Marin encountered and also we're

3467
02:31:34,399 --> 02:31:36,880
seeing at these presentations

3468
02:31:36,880 --> 02:31:41,040
is the ebike advocates are trying to say

3469
02:31:41,040 --> 02:31:44,479
the problems are with illegal bikes and

3470
02:31:44,479 --> 02:31:48,080
it's not the case. You have legal bikes

3471
02:31:48,080 --> 02:31:53,040
and they're being used improperly and of course you know kids not having

3472
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:55,520
the education and whatnot. Okay. Um,

3473
02:31:55,520 --> 02:31:57,120
Nadine, thank you for those comments.

3474
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:58,880
I'm not sure. Have you written anything?

3475
02:31:58,880 --> 02:32:01,439
We're happy to include that into um our

3476
02:32:01,439 --> 02:32:03,439
records. Did you submit anything in

3477
02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:05,040
writing? I appreciate everything you

3478
02:32:05,040 --> 02:32:06,479
just stated. Well, everything you just

3479
02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:08,240
stated is recorded. That would be part

3480
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,560
of the record as well. But thanks thanks

3481
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:12,319
for the information you just provided.

3482
02:32:12,319 --> 02:32:14,720
It's extremely helpful and thanks for

3483
02:32:14,720 --> 02:32:16,560
your work in educating the community

3484
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:18,319
about this subject. Thank you so much.

3485
02:32:18,319 --> 02:32:20,479
>> You're welcome.

3486
02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:23,040
>> Any any other additional public comments

3487
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:25,200
on this issue? Thank you, Mayor Cole.

3488
02:32:25,200 --> 02:32:26,880
I'll just ask if anyone on Zoom would

3489
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:31,190
like to provide comments on this item.

3490
02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:40,389
I'm Oh, yeah. Yes, please.

3491
02:32:40,399 --> 02:32:43,439
» We started Abe Matar 110 Redwood Drive.

3492
02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:45,359
Um, we started a petition and we have

3493
02:32:45,359 --> 02:32:46,640
over 800.

3494
02:32:46,640 --> 02:32:48,080
>> Do you mind just stating your name? I

3495
02:32:48,080 --> 02:32:49,439
have met you before, but do you mind

3496
02:32:49,439 --> 02:32:50,960
just saying your name for the record?

3497
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:52,240
>> Yes. Abe Matar.

3498
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:54,319
>> Okay. Sorry, I didn't hear it. Go ahead.

3499
02:32:54,319 --> 02:32:57,600
>> Uh, so um I'm passionately against

3500
02:32:57,600 --> 02:32:59,120
ebikes.

3501
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:01,920
My kid doesn't ride one, but um I had

3502
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,000
two friends die on motorcycles growing

3503
02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:07,200
up and uh I see these kids how they use

3504
02:33:07,200 --> 02:33:08,960
them on the streets. It's really

3505
02:33:08,960 --> 02:33:12,960
horrible. Uh one of my my son's friends

3506
02:33:12,960 --> 02:33:15,359
got injured on a bike and it forced us

3507
02:33:15,359 --> 02:33:18,080
to come up with this petition that Amar

3508
02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:21,280
presented. We have over 800 people in

3509
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:24,560
Hillsboro out of 3600 homes that are

3510
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:26,800
very opposed to having ebikes without

3511
02:33:26,800 --> 02:33:29,359
permit. If I need a permit to drive a

3512
02:33:29,359 --> 02:33:31,840
car and a motorcycle needs a permit to

3513
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:34,000
ride a motorcycle, you should have

3514
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:35,760
anybody who's riding something faster

3515
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:39,120
than a regular bike use some kind of

3516
02:33:39,120 --> 02:33:42,240
permitting. So, uh, the petition we we

3517
02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:45,680
put out was you need to be 16 or older

3518
02:33:45,680 --> 02:33:48,880
to ride, I think, you know, bikes and,

3519
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:50,560
uh, I think they should be banned,

3520
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:52,399
especially in Hillsboro because we have

3521
02:33:52,399 --> 02:33:55,439
no bike lanes like they do have in San

3522
02:33:55,439 --> 02:33:57,439
Diego with all these new developments.

3523
02:33:57,439 --> 02:33:59,520
We have no bike lanes. have up and downs

3524
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:01,520
and you see them going to school in the

3525
02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:03,359
morning and it's you know you see them

3526
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:05,680
like somebody was saying three at a time

3527
02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:07,680
and they're they think they're cool and

3528
02:34:07,680 --> 02:34:09,439
they're just you know what are we going

3529
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:11,359
to wait for them to die before we make a

3530
02:34:11,359 --> 02:34:13,840
change. I mean we ban you know we ban

3531
02:34:13,840 --> 02:34:15,520
jeweled and we don't want our kids to

3532
02:34:15,520 --> 02:34:17,200
smoke but we want them to ride bicycles

3533
02:34:17,200 --> 02:34:20,800
at 30 miles an hour makes no sense. Um

3534
02:34:20,800 --> 02:34:23,760
so I I'm very very much supportive of

3535
02:34:23,760 --> 02:34:25,920
banning ebikes in Hillsboro. Thank you.

3536
02:34:25,920 --> 02:34:30,000
>> Thank you Aiden. Um, any additional

3537
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:32,160
public comments before we move forward

3538
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:34,720
with a discussion on this?

3539
02:34:34,720 --> 02:34:36,160
>> Thank you, Maricole. I'll just ask if

3540
02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:37,359
there's anyone else in the room who

3541
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:40,000
would like to provide comments.

3542
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:41,359
>> No, Miracle. Thank you.

3543
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:46,710
>> Okay. Oh, yes. Um,

3544
02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:49,520
» yeah. Hi. Uh, my name's Mitch Wong. I

3545
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:51,760
didn't really prepare anything here, but

3546
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:55,920
it was my son Katon Wong that was riding

3547
02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:57,760
to school

3548
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:00,960
uh down Chateau. I guess this was in

3549
02:35:00,960 --> 02:35:04,319
October. And then he basically I was out

3550
02:35:04,319 --> 02:35:07,040
of town. So then his mom let him ride

3551
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:10,479
the ebike. It was her ebike. And so he

3552
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:14,960
took the ebike down Chateau and then had

3553
02:35:14,960 --> 02:35:18,160
an accident on Chateau. blocked the

3554
02:35:18,160 --> 02:35:21,280
whole the whole street

3555
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:25,680
and an ambulance came rushing to him and

3556
02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:28,479
took him to Stanford Hospital.

3557
02:35:28,479 --> 02:35:33,680
He had abrasions on his head, his face.

3558
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,960
He lost two of his the two top of his

3559
02:35:36,960 --> 02:35:40,560
front teeth. Uh he missed a week of

3560
02:35:40,560 --> 02:35:45,120
school. Um, I mean, he's 12 years old

3561
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:47,600
and all, ever since he's been in fifth

3562
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:50,160
grade at South, all he's been dreaming

3563
02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:52,479
about is, "Dad, when are you going to

3564
02:35:52,479 --> 02:35:54,560
buy me an ebike?"

3565
02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:58,479
Yeah. So, the kids all want ebikes.

3566
02:35:58,479 --> 02:36:01,680
Uh, parents want to buy ebikes

3567
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:06,479
to make it convenient for themselves.

3568
02:36:06,479 --> 02:36:11,520
We have so many ebikes in our homes now.

3569
02:36:11,520 --> 02:36:14,560
We don't even want to use them.

3570
02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:17,120
I think we have four ebikes.

3571
02:36:17,120 --> 02:36:20,160
We would go from the slow ebike, the

3572
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:23,920
class one, and then say, "Oh, the kids

3573
02:36:23,920 --> 02:36:25,600
would be saying, "This is not fast

3574
02:36:25,600 --> 02:36:27,920
enough, Dad. This is not fast enough,

3575
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:31,920
Mom. Let's get a class 2 ebike where you

3576
02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:34,080
have the throttle." We have that

3577
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:35,600
throttle. I know what you're talking

3578
02:36:35,600 --> 02:36:39,280
about. So,

3579
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:42,240
I mean, yeah, we have this petition. I

3580
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:45,520
would definitely think that kids should

3581
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:46,960
have to go through some sort of

3582
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:48,720
education

3583
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:50,560
and I think they should have some sort

3584
02:36:50,560 --> 02:36:53,359
of age requirement because I mean

3585
02:36:53,359 --> 02:36:55,840
driving around Hillsboro taking our kids

3586
02:36:55,840 --> 02:37:00,479
to school, we see these ebike kids and

3587
02:37:00,479 --> 02:37:02,800
they're, you know, they're popping

3588
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:05,280
wheelies going down up and down the

3589
02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:09,359
street. They're really at like Ape says,

3590
02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:10,880
they're like treating it like a

3591
02:37:10,880 --> 02:37:13,280
motorcycle.

3592
02:37:13,280 --> 02:37:16,319
So I think uh if you know whatever we

3593
02:37:16,319 --> 02:37:20,160
need to do we will be happy to support

3594
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:25,040
and help convey this message to uh kind

3595
02:37:25,040 --> 02:37:28,000
of we don't want to ban it but we want

3596
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:30,560
to have some sort of

3597
02:37:30,560 --> 02:37:33,359
kind of some sort of monitoring and we

3598
02:37:33,359 --> 02:37:36,720
don't want kids to just be you know I

3599
02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:40,160
mean at South I remember when my kid

3600
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:43,280
Katon was riding he wanted a ebike.

3601
02:37:43,280 --> 02:37:45,359
Other kids were like I think they were

3602
02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:46,880
fourth or fifth grade and they already

3603
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:48,000
had ebikes.

3604
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:48,800
>> Yeah.

3605
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:50,960
>> And those ebikes are extremely powerful.

3606
02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:52,560
Oh, I'm sorry. I'm out of town. I

3607
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:54,399
>> That's okay. Um I just also would

3608
02:37:54,399 --> 02:37:57,120
encourage um you Mr. Wong um Keith,

3609
02:37:57,120 --> 02:37:58,080
right? Is it

3610
02:37:58,080 --> 02:37:58,960
>> Katen Wong?

3611
02:37:58,960 --> 02:38:02,399
>> Ken Wong um and Abe as well as Nadine if

3612
02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:04,319
you haven't done so already just to be

3613
02:38:04,319 --> 02:38:06,080
able to reach out in the future if you

3614
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:07,439
could if you wouldn't mind filling out

3615
02:38:07,439 --> 02:38:09,920
the yellow form so we'll have a contact.

3616
02:38:09,920 --> 02:38:11,600
It could be your phone number or email I

3617
02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:14,080
suppose is what we usually request. But

3618
02:38:14,080 --> 02:38:16,640
um I really we all really appreciate you

3619
02:38:16,640 --> 02:38:19,040
being in here today and sharing this um

3620
02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:20,640
this you know sharing this information

3621
02:38:20,640 --> 02:38:24,080
with us. Um as Naen pointed out I

3622
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:25,760
completely agree. The traumatic brain

3623
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:29,280
injury is not just a one time and it you

3624
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:30,880
recover especially these young

3625
02:38:30,880 --> 02:38:32,319
individuals whose brains are still

3626
02:38:32,319 --> 02:38:35,120
developing. They can have very long-term

3627
02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:37,040
consequences as a physician. I've seen

3628
02:38:37,040 --> 02:38:39,680
that on the front line as well. So, we

3629
02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:42,720
will continue to um work on this issue

3630
02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:46,240
and and note for now um I haven't

3631
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:47,600
commented. So, as we move into

3632
02:38:47,600 --> 02:38:50,160
discussion, I've been in close contact

3633
02:38:50,160 --> 02:38:54,080
with um Vice Mayor Ragdale on this. We

3634
02:38:54,080 --> 02:38:55,680
every time we run into a state

3635
02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:57,760
legislature, this is often the first

3636
02:38:57,760 --> 02:38:59,439
discussion we have with them. What are

3637
02:38:59,439 --> 02:39:01,120
they doing in Sacramento to move this

3638
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:04,240
issue as quickly as possible? As a city

3639
02:39:04,240 --> 02:39:06,560
council, we're somewhat limited in terms

3640
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:09,520
of legislating. for example, permits.

3641
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:11,040
That was my first reaction the first

3642
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:12,160
meeting I went to. I said, "Well, why

3643
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:13,359
don't we just have everybody have a

3644
02:39:13,359 --> 02:39:14,800
permit?" Well, we don't have the

3645
02:39:14,800 --> 02:39:17,040
authorities outside of our jurisdiction.

3646
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:19,520
However, some of the other issues that's

3647
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:21,840
come up in terms of maybe banning it in

3648
02:39:21,840 --> 02:39:23,680
certain areas that could restrict that

3649
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:25,439
could significantly restrict students

3650
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:27,359
writing it at out of the house in the

3651
02:39:27,359 --> 02:39:29,680
first place. That's something our city

3652
02:39:29,680 --> 02:39:31,439
attorney and our staff will continue to

3653
02:39:31,439 --> 02:39:33,600
look into. and um just want to reassure

3654
02:39:33,600 --> 02:39:37,120
you that we are really all in on this

3655
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:40,640
issue and doing the maximum we can to

3656
02:39:40,640 --> 02:39:43,359
constrain this in addition to education

3657
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:46,080
of course um and I will open it up for

3658
02:39:46,080 --> 02:39:48,479
further discussion or comments from any

3659
02:39:48,479 --> 02:39:51,359
of my colleagues but yes um and and I'm

3660
02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:53,520
going to and I I realize I'm not

3661
02:39:53,520 --> 02:39:54,880
following the rules at this point but I

3662
02:39:54,880 --> 02:39:57,200
will ask Nine to go ahead and make a

3663
02:39:57,200 --> 02:39:58,479
comment. Yes.

3664
02:39:58,479 --> 02:40:01,840
>> The um I think uh when we were all

3665
02:40:01,840 --> 02:40:04,000
learning how to drive, right, and you

3666
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:07,359
would see um a car that had crashed.

3667
02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:08,399
>> Use the mic so we can

3668
02:40:08,399 --> 02:40:09,600
>> Okay. Sorry. Recording.

3669
02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:12,399
>> Um I think there's one photograph that

3670
02:40:12,399 --> 02:40:14,160
was in the New York Times that if

3671
02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:17,840
parents saw this, you know, it it would

3672
02:40:17,840 --> 02:40:21,200
speak and and have them understand the

3673
02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:23,520
gravity of what we're dealing with. The

3674
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:29,040
photograph is uh a replica of Amelia

3675
02:40:29,040 --> 02:40:34,240
Stratford's skull. And this is the piece

3676
02:40:34,240 --> 02:40:38,240
that my son had to remove from her skull

3677
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:41,600
in order to save her life. And I think

3678
02:40:41,600 --> 02:40:44,000
if parents saw that one photo, you know,

3679
02:40:44,000 --> 02:40:46,319
photo is worth a thousand words. I think

3680
02:40:46,319 --> 02:40:48,000
that would do it. Because when I saw

3681
02:40:48,000 --> 02:40:51,520
that photo, I said, "Oh my god."

3682
02:40:51,520 --> 02:40:54,240
So, you know, before because I know

3683
02:40:54,240 --> 02:40:57,359
legislation takes time and and in fact

3684
02:40:57,359 --> 02:41:00,399
with Marin, they had so much push back

3685
02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:03,760
and it was so it got so limited to a

3686
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:06,319
pilot and they wanted so much more. So,

3687
02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:08,080
there's a lot of resistance

3688
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:09,760
>> but but the feedback we're getting from

3689
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:11,439
the state legislature is they also

3690
02:41:11,439 --> 02:41:13,120
starting to move more quickly,

3691
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:14,560
especially in the past couple of months.

3692
02:41:14,560 --> 02:41:16,319
I think is um

3693
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:18,240
>> I think it was Mandy who pointed out

3694
02:41:18,240 --> 02:41:20,800
even as of the past 3 or 4 days there've

3695
02:41:20,800 --> 02:41:22,880
been new legislation. So I think they

3696
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:26,240
finally getting the message from the um

3697
02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:28,080
communities and from the ground up

3698
02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:30,399
saying they need to move more quickly.

3699
02:41:30,399 --> 02:41:34,000
Um any additional comments otherwise um

3700
02:41:34,000 --> 02:41:36,000
thank you all for being here and and

3701
02:41:36,000 --> 02:41:38,000
nudging us along. Oh, I'm sorry. Vice

3702
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:39,040
Mayor Ragdale.

3703
02:41:39,040 --> 02:41:43,990
>> Oh that's right.

3704
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:46,960
Um, okay. I'll try not to take up too

3705
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:48,960
much time, but I have a lot of opinions.

3706
02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:51,840
Um, I want to start though by thanking

3707
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:53,280
you guys so much for your public

3708
02:41:53,280 --> 02:41:55,520
comment, for your advocacy, for the

3709
02:41:55,520 --> 02:41:57,920
petition, which this was something we

3710
02:41:57,920 --> 02:41:59,840
had already been talking about, but I

3711
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:01,920
think the petition, and I'm so sorry for

3712
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:05,600
your son's injuries. Um, but that

3713
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:08,479
petition did wake us up to be u more

3714
02:42:08,479 --> 02:42:12,240
motivated on this issue and to press our

3715
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:16,000
um supervisors and our state legislators

3716
02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:20,880
even more. And so thank you. And um we

3717
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:23,600
happen to all be parents. Four of us are

3718
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:29,280
grandparents. One of us is not. Um and we hear you. One of us raised a

3719
02:42:29,280 --> 02:42:33,439
doctor. So very good job. Um but anyway,

3720
02:42:33,439 --> 02:42:36,479
so thank you so much. I hope that um if

3721
02:42:36,479 --> 02:42:38,720
you can't go tomorrow, I know it's two

3722
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:40,560
o'clock in the middle of the day, but

3723
02:42:40,560 --> 02:42:43,200
they uh usually have online comment

3724
02:42:43,200 --> 02:42:44,960
available. They're calling it a town

3725
02:42:44,960 --> 02:42:47,200
hall. I I presume they will also still

3726
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:50,240
have online comments available um before

3727
02:42:50,240 --> 02:42:53,359
Supervisor Spear. She's also um very

3728
02:42:53,359 --> 02:42:56,319
accessible and you can email her and um

3729
02:42:56,319 --> 02:42:59,040
I have the email of her legislative aid

3730
02:42:59,040 --> 02:43:00,800
who's working on this if if you want

3731
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:03,280
that. Um, I would hope that you would

3732
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:05,840
also contact Diane Papin's office

3733
02:43:05,840 --> 02:43:07,280
because she is working on this

3734
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:10,080
legislation, which is great and which is

3735
02:43:10,080 --> 02:43:13,040
limited, but hopefully less limited now.

3736
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:16,000
um especially after the um town hall

3737
02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:18,399
that she had and there were a lot of

3738
02:43:18,399 --> 02:43:21,040
council members there and we all felt

3739
02:43:21,040 --> 02:43:23,680
the same that

3740
02:43:23,680 --> 02:43:27,280
Marin had a pilot and that pilot uh they

3741
02:43:27,280 --> 02:43:29,359
tried to get it statewide and there was

3742
02:43:29,359 --> 02:43:31,040
just too much resistance from the

3743
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:33,600
manufacturers and the biking community

3744
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:37,120
and um we're like all of us are like we

3745
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:39,680
want that pilot. San Diego has a pilot

3746
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:42,880
also. The San Diego pilot is um age 12

3747
02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:45,279
and up for all ebikes. The Marin pilot

3748
02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:50,000
is age 16 for class two. Um I'll have

3749
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:52,960
more on that in in a minute. But um but

3750
02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:56,160
anyway, this issue has has risen up uh

3751
02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:58,479
and uh we are we are doing what we can

3752
02:43:58,479 --> 02:44:02,240
but keep keep doing what you can and um

3753
02:44:02,240 --> 02:44:04,000
you know you are the you are the voters

3754
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,399
for uh you know Senator Becker, Assembly

3755
02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:08,880
Member Papen, uh Supervisor Spear and

3756
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:11,680
they want to hear from you. Um you know

3757
02:44:11,680 --> 02:44:15,279
we we have some say and some sway but uh

3758
02:44:15,279 --> 02:44:18,080
your your stories are especially

3759
02:44:18,080 --> 02:44:23,680
valuable. Um, I I want to also say that

3760
02:44:23,680 --> 02:44:26,080
wanting to regulate ebikes doesn't mean

3761
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:28,000
we're anti-bicycle,

3762
02:44:28,000 --> 02:44:29,520
doesn't mean we're anti-kid

3763
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:32,160
independence, doesn't mean we're um

3764
02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:34,319
anti-ex exercise, getting out of the

3765
02:44:34,319 --> 02:44:39,600
car. It just means these particular

3766
02:44:39,600 --> 02:44:41,359
they some people call them emotos. I

3767
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:43,600
know Bob Middle and and Moran calls them

3768
02:44:43,600 --> 02:44:45,120
emotos.

3769
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:47,520
They are, unless they're illegally

3770
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:50,800
modified, they are legal. And our kids,

3771
02:44:50,800 --> 02:44:53,200
a nine-year-old can legally ride one of

3772
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:57,439
these. And that's crazy. Uh, in in my

3773
02:44:57,439 --> 02:44:59,359
opinion, um, and I think in a lot of

3774
02:44:59,359 --> 02:45:02,960
people's opinions, you can be very, um,

3775
02:45:02,960 --> 02:45:06,399
supportive of um, bicycling and bike

3776
02:45:06,399 --> 02:45:09,200
lanes and safety and everything. Um but

3777
02:45:09,200 --> 02:45:11,520
also want regulations

3778
02:45:11,520 --> 02:45:13,920
on ebikes and who can ride them and how

3779
02:45:13,920 --> 02:45:16,720
they can ride them. Uh our schools and

3780
02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:18,960
our uh Hillsboro Police Department are

3781
02:45:18,960 --> 02:45:21,359
working so closely together and I went

3782
02:45:21,359 --> 02:45:23,760
to the presentation for parents. There

3783
02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:25,359
weren't tons of people there, but the

3784
02:45:25,359 --> 02:45:27,840
ones who were there really heard it. Uh

3785
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:29,600
and hopefully they spread the word, you

3786
02:45:29,600 --> 02:45:31,439
know, and it was before the holidays.

3787
02:45:31,439 --> 02:45:34,399
was such smart timing that uh you really

3788
02:45:34,399 --> 02:45:36,720
need to think about what you're buying

3789
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:40,000
and if you buy one just buy a class one

3790
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:41,920
and make sure your kid is not modifying

3791
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:44,240
it. And you know I think the first time

3792
02:45:44,240 --> 02:45:45,920
we ever heard about modifications was

3793
02:45:45,920 --> 02:45:49,040
when we when we had our um bike ped

3794
02:45:49,040 --> 02:45:50,960
first meeting and one of the middle

3795
02:45:50,960 --> 02:45:53,120
schoolers who's this amazing kid who's

3796
02:45:53,120 --> 02:45:55,120
also working on this issue told us and

3797
02:45:55,120 --> 02:45:56,720
we're like what we didn't we didn't

3798
02:45:56,720 --> 02:45:58,319
understand you can modify it so easily

3799
02:45:58,319 --> 02:46:02,640
with an app or a dongle. Um and then um

3800
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:04,640
Anidal, the chair of our youth

3801
02:46:04,640 --> 02:46:07,040
commission and and Brody are working on

3802
02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:09,120
an article for our newsletter about the

3803
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:12,800
topic and through the California

3804
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:14,640
Association of Youth Commissions, uh

3805
02:46:14,640 --> 02:46:16,080
city manager had mentioned there's a

3806
02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:18,319
survey of kids. They've already gotten

3807
02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:20,800
some responses uh fifth grade through

3808
02:46:20,800 --> 02:46:24,960
12th grade. They are focusing on the

3809
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:26,960
teen perspective, which is so important

3810
02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:28,479
because the kids know they're supposed

3811
02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:30,640
to ride a helmet, wear a helmet. They

3812
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:32,319
know they're not supposed to ride

3813
02:46:32,319 --> 02:46:34,479
recklessly. They know if they don't have

3814
02:46:34,479 --> 02:46:36,080
a seat behind them, they're not supposed

3815
02:46:36,080 --> 02:46:38,240
to take a friend and they're definitely

3816
02:46:38,240 --> 02:46:40,160
not supposed to take a friend if they're

3817
02:46:40,160 --> 02:46:42,000
don't have a helmet to give them. They

3818
02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:44,080
know they're not supposed to do leaves.

3819
02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:46,640
So, she's trying to get at this in this

3820
02:46:46,640 --> 02:46:48,319
survey.

3821
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:50,000
Why do you do this? I mean, there's peer

3822
02:46:50,000 --> 02:46:52,399
pressure and all of that, but um I think

3823
02:46:52,399 --> 02:46:55,359
that's so valuable. Education is is

3824
02:46:55,359 --> 02:46:57,279
important. Education, educating the

3825
02:46:57,279 --> 02:46:58,640
parents, or the ones who buy the bikes

3826
02:46:58,640 --> 02:47:00,720
is so important, but this teen

3827
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:03,359
perspective, I think, is really crucial.

3828
02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:05,920
And I'm so happy that she spoke at um

3829
02:47:05,920 --> 02:47:10,560
Diane Pepin's uh town hall and um and uh

3830
02:47:10,560 --> 02:47:14,800
is on this issue. Um so, just a couple

3831
02:47:14,800 --> 02:47:18,000
other things. Um

3832
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:19,520
well,

3833
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:22,720
I will give you okay one thing to note

3834
02:47:22,720 --> 02:47:25,359
that just people don't talk about but um

3835
02:47:25,359 --> 02:47:26,960
I didn't know until I started going to

3836
02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:30,479
these different webinars that electric

3837
02:47:30,479 --> 02:47:32,800
scooters apparently there's tons of them

3838
02:47:32,800 --> 02:47:33,920
I don't know if they're at our schools

3839
02:47:33,920 --> 02:47:36,000
but there's tons of them at schools this

3840
02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:37,760
man who's working on it Bob Middlestad

3841
02:47:37,760 --> 02:47:40,479
he's a lawyer in Marin who's he's a

3842
02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:42,880
bicycle advocate but he said he went

3843
02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:44,479
around to different schools in Marin

3844
02:47:44,479 --> 02:47:46,560
County San Monteo County he sees these

3845
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:48,479
electronic scooters

3846
02:47:48,479 --> 02:47:50,399
they're actually illegal unless you're

3847
02:47:50,399 --> 02:47:53,120
16 and you have a driver's license. So,

3848
02:47:53,120 --> 02:47:55,120
that was something that I didn't know.

3849
02:47:55,120 --> 02:47:57,120
Um, but that's just something also

3850
02:47:57,120 --> 02:47:59,520
spread the word about that. The e

3851
02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:01,920
scooters, no, actually just not allowed.

3852
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:03,200
Doesn't matter. There's not a class,

3853
02:48:03,200 --> 02:48:04,800
there's not anything not allowed. So,

3854
02:48:04,800 --> 02:48:06,080
that's just something that I think it's

3855
02:48:06,080 --> 02:48:09,680
important to get the word out there. Um,

3856
02:48:09,680 --> 02:48:13,120
if your kid has an ebike, just I think

3857
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,439
you should tell them whether or not you

3858
02:48:15,439 --> 02:48:18,080
can they can fit a person behind them,

3859
02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:21,520
tell them don't. They're too heavy. So,

3860
02:48:21,520 --> 02:48:23,840
even if you have a seat and even if your

3861
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:26,080
friend has a helmet, they're very very

3862
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:30,800
heavy vehicles. And, you know, just

3863
02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:32,960
don't don't ride with a friend. Uh,

3864
02:48:32,960 --> 02:48:35,120
don't ride three a breast either. And

3865
02:48:35,120 --> 02:48:37,120
don't do wheelies. Now, the police can

3866
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:40,080
pull you over if you're driving in an un

3867
02:48:40,080 --> 02:48:43,200
riding your bike in an unsafe manner.

3868
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:45,600
The police, they will they will do what

3869
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:47,359
they can, but they're also not going to

3870
02:48:47,359 --> 02:48:49,840
unsafeely chase a bunch of teenagers and

3871
02:48:49,840 --> 02:48:51,680
cause them to crash. So, we have to

3872
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:53,520
understand that there's only so much

3873
02:48:53,520 --> 02:48:55,200
that we can do. And the more tools that

3874
02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:57,200
we give them, for instance, the

3875
02:48:57,200 --> 02:48:59,520
requiring a reflector, etc. the more

3876
02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:02,880
tools that we give them um the easier it

3877
02:49:02,880 --> 02:49:05,120
is for them to have these um these

3878
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:07,760
conversations.

3879
02:49:07,760 --> 02:49:11,760
I think um the last thing that I will

3880
02:49:11,760 --> 02:49:14,479
say just because

3881
02:49:14,479 --> 02:49:17,200
here I am with my wish list that I sent

3882
02:49:17,200 --> 02:49:19,359
to Diane Papen, I can only hope that

3883
02:49:19,359 --> 02:49:22,000
maybe maybe some of it will go into her

3884
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:25,520
legislation. Um, but this is this is my

3885
02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:29,439
wish list um for the state of California

3886
02:49:29,439 --> 02:49:32,960
to combine the San Diego and Marin um

3887
02:49:32,960 --> 02:49:36,080
pilot age restrictions and don't wait

3888
02:49:36,080 --> 02:49:37,840
until the pilots are over and we have

3889
02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:40,160
data. Oh, that did that is one more

3890
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:41,920
thing I want to talk about. Um, don't

3891
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:45,040
wait on that because that's a long time.

3892
02:49:45,040 --> 02:49:47,600
And Diane Papin really seemed to get

3893
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:49,600
that from just the look she was getting

3894
02:49:49,600 --> 02:49:52,319
from the council members in the audience

3895
02:49:52,319 --> 02:49:55,520
that we want the pilot now. And they and

3896
02:49:55,520 --> 02:49:58,080
they know um that we want these age

3897
02:49:58,080 --> 02:49:59,600
restrictions because they did try to get

3898
02:49:59,600 --> 02:50:04,479
it uh statewide. Um but anyway,

3899
02:50:04,479 --> 02:50:07,439
uh I would like to combine. So for class

3900
02:50:07,439 --> 02:50:11,600
one age 12 and up, class two age 16 and

3901
02:50:11,600 --> 02:50:15,279
up and uh class three is is already 16

3902
02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:18,880
and up. So no changes. I would actually

3903
02:50:18,880 --> 02:50:20,880
like to outlaw tandem riding. I don't

3904
02:50:20,880 --> 02:50:23,520
care if your bike can or not. I I think

3905
02:50:23,520 --> 02:50:26,479
it's really unsafe. Um, I think they

3906
02:50:26,479 --> 02:50:29,520
need to add enforcement, uh, teeth for

3907
02:50:29,520 --> 02:50:32,960
the retailers, uh, and really look at

3908
02:50:32,960 --> 02:50:36,080
some national legislation with regard to

3909
02:50:36,080 --> 02:50:37,840
online retailers because a lot of these

3910
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:39,600
bikes are bought online and you can put

3911
02:50:39,600 --> 02:50:41,040
them together in your garage. They're

3912
02:50:41,040 --> 02:50:43,760
not that hard to put together. Um,

3913
02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:46,560
because these bikes can be so easily

3914
02:50:46,560 --> 02:50:50,399
modified. and you you go online and you

3915
02:50:50,399 --> 02:50:52,240
can see that they say, "Oh, this this

3916
02:50:52,240 --> 02:50:53,920
one will go up to 45 miles per hour,"

3917
02:50:53,920 --> 02:50:55,840
which is not legal, but they put it

3918
02:50:55,840 --> 02:50:57,520
online and they tell you how to how to

3919
02:50:57,520 --> 02:50:59,760
modify it. So, I think we really need

3920
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:04,000
help also on the national level. Um, one

3921
02:51:04,000 --> 02:51:07,040
thing that um, in the discussion from

3922
02:51:07,040 --> 02:51:10,240
Diane Papin's uh, session, people were

3923
02:51:10,240 --> 02:51:11,920
talking about, you know, you're just

3924
02:51:11,920 --> 02:51:13,279
walking along or you're driving, all of

3925
02:51:13,279 --> 02:51:14,960
a sudden they're doing wheelies or

3926
02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:17,439
whatever, but also you don't hear them.

3927
02:51:17,439 --> 02:51:19,760
And remember when they made the when

3928
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:21,840
Prius was the first electric car and

3929
02:51:21,840 --> 02:51:23,760
they made them make a noise because all

3930
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:26,000
of a sudden it's upon you. They should

3931
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:28,319
make a noise. So, uh, especially, you

3932
02:51:28,319 --> 02:51:31,359
know, you're walking along, you're you're older and all a sudden

3933
02:51:31,359 --> 02:51:32,479
there's this bike there. It could make

3934
02:51:32,479 --> 02:51:35,600
you fall. Um, so I think they should

3935
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:38,720
make a noise. Um,

3936
02:51:38,720 --> 02:51:40,080
in some places, including the

3937
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:42,000
Netherlands and New York City, they have

3938
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:44,080
said ebikes should not be allowed to go

3939
02:51:44,080 --> 02:51:47,359
over 15 miles per hour.

3940
02:51:47,359 --> 02:51:49,040
I I think that's something that should

3941
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:54,720
be considered. Um, they just can't go over. Again, ebikes are there.

3942
02:51:54,720 --> 02:51:56,800
It's it's fantastic to get up our hills,

3943
02:51:56,800 --> 02:52:00,160
but we need to just keep our kids safe

3944
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:04,240
and our adults safe. Um, and um, with

3945
02:52:04,240 --> 02:52:06,800
regard to the modifications,

3946
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:10,160
uh, I think that the state and national

3947
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:13,600
can work through the app stores because

3948
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:15,279
the app stores actually have to approve

3949
02:52:15,279 --> 02:52:17,040
your app before they'll sell it in the

3950
02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:19,760
store. So, there shouldn't be apps where

3951
02:52:19,760 --> 02:52:22,560
you can modify an ebike illegally. Uh so

3952
02:52:22,560 --> 02:52:23,920
I think that that there should be

3953
02:52:23,920 --> 02:52:25,680
legislation on that. Again, town of

3954
02:52:25,680 --> 02:52:28,560
Hillsboro really can't do that, but this

3955
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:30,399
but we can advocate for it with our

3956
02:52:30,399 --> 02:52:33,680
representatives. Um and then oh the last

3957
02:52:33,680 --> 02:52:35,680
thing I just wanted to say uh with

3958
02:52:35,680 --> 02:52:37,680
regard to data, you had mentioned data

3959
02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:41,600
collection in the packet. Um it would be

3960
02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:46,720
helpful um if there is an accident if

3961
02:52:46,720 --> 02:52:48,800
to have data on what class they were

3962
02:52:48,800 --> 02:52:50,560
riding you know their age what class

3963
02:52:50,560 --> 02:52:54,000
they were riding um and as many details

3964
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:57,760
as possible uh because there is some

3965
02:52:57,760 --> 02:53:00,160
push back from the Manetta Institute

3966
02:53:00,160 --> 02:53:01,840
report

3967
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:04,479
basically said oh well cars are cars are

3968
02:53:04,479 --> 02:53:07,439
so much worse and um we really do need

3969
02:53:07,439 --> 02:53:12,399
the data and I know in Marin and they're working on UCSF is working on um

3970
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:14,000
making sure that data is collected when

3971
02:53:14,000 --> 02:53:15,920
people end up in the hospital. But even

3972
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:18,319
if there's a you know someone gets

3973
02:53:18,319 --> 02:53:20,560
really scraped up on the side and HBD is

3974
02:53:20,560 --> 02:53:22,960
there and helps them up, any data that

3975
02:53:22,960 --> 02:53:24,800
we can have I think would be really

3976
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:26,479
helpful. And now I'm done with my

3977
02:53:26,479 --> 02:53:27,920
opinions. Thank you. Thank you for

3978
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:28,800
indulging me.

3979
02:53:28,800 --> 02:53:30,240
>> Yeah. Thank Thank you, Vice Mayor

3980
02:53:30,240 --> 02:53:33,359
Rexale. Um any additional um comments

3981
02:53:33,359 --> 02:53:35,840
from the council?

3982
02:53:35,840 --> 02:53:38,319
Okay, Council Member Crowley.

3983
02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:40,160
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank Thank you

3984
02:53:40,160 --> 02:53:42,399
so much to the parents who are here and

3985
02:53:42,399 --> 02:53:45,439
um Naen, I think what Blake is doing is

3986
02:53:45,439 --> 02:53:48,240
incredible. Blake Taylor went to went to

3987
02:53:48,240 --> 02:53:49,840
school, went to Crocker with our kids

3988
02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:52,319
and and we have wonderful children, but

3989
02:53:52,319 --> 02:53:54,160
they're not neurosurgeons. So, thank

3990
02:53:54,160 --> 02:53:57,520
you. Um and and I hope that Ethan has

3991
02:53:57,520 --> 02:54:00,319
recovered. Um and I applaud that you are

3992
02:54:00,319 --> 02:54:02,319
out here trying to help other people

3993
02:54:02,319 --> 02:54:05,120
avoid what what he went through. Um, you

3994
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:06,720
know, my initial thoughts about this

3995
02:54:06,720 --> 02:54:08,800
that I jotted down before listening to

3996
02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:12,479
public comment, um, was that if we, um,

3997
02:54:12,479 --> 02:54:15,040
try and craft some Hillsboro focused

3998
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:16,640
legislation around this that it either

3999
02:54:16,640 --> 02:54:19,680
has to be bottom up from our residents

4000
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:23,760
or top down from the state. And so here,

4001
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:26,560
you know, we're hearing bottom up that

4002
02:54:26,560 --> 02:54:28,479
this is something our residents are

4003
02:54:28,479 --> 02:54:31,200
asking for. you know, um I don't know if

4004
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:32,720
you've ever heard this as a physician,

4005
02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:34,560
but I have heard that physicians have

4006
02:54:34,560 --> 02:54:37,760
called motorcycles donor cycles because

4007
02:54:37,760 --> 02:54:40,399
so many of their organs when they do

4008
02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:44,479
organ um transplants come from uh

4009
02:54:44,479 --> 02:54:47,279
relatively young victims of motorcycle

4010
02:54:47,279 --> 02:54:49,600
accidents because on a motorcycle you're

4011
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:51,279
not protected. There's no airbags around

4012
02:54:51,279 --> 02:54:53,840
you even with a a helmet. And the

4013
02:54:53,840 --> 02:54:56,960
thought of putting our children on a

4014
02:54:56,960 --> 02:54:59,040
motorcycle, which is essentially what

4015
02:54:59,040 --> 02:55:01,359
we're allowing to have happen, is

4016
02:55:01,359 --> 02:55:04,800
ludicrous. I mean, we're just, no matter

4017
02:55:04,800 --> 02:55:06,880
how much training we're giving them,

4018
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:08,880
that's not going to mitigate the the

4019
02:55:08,880 --> 02:55:12,880
inherent danger of being on a vehicle

4020
02:55:12,880 --> 02:55:15,600
that goes very fast with no protection

4021
02:55:15,600 --> 02:55:18,960
around you. So, I think that a lot of

4022
02:55:18,960 --> 02:55:21,520
parents in Hillsboro would be relieved.

4023
02:55:21,520 --> 02:55:24,319
And I think some kids would be relieved

4024
02:55:24,319 --> 02:55:26,880
too. Remember we had that safety session

4025
02:55:26,880 --> 02:55:28,800
when you were police chief still Doug

4026
02:55:28,800 --> 02:55:30,399
and you sat down and talked to a couple

4027
02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:32,479
of kids or maybe you were our new city

4028
02:55:32,479 --> 02:55:34,080
manager at the time but just coming off

4029
02:55:34,080 --> 02:55:36,240
a police chief there are kids Crocker

4030
02:55:36,240 --> 02:55:38,800
kids who were asking um for us to get

4031
02:55:38,800 --> 02:55:40,720
the word out that these they were

4032
02:55:40,720 --> 02:55:42,640
worried about their peers riding on

4033
02:55:42,640 --> 02:55:46,319
this. So it seems to me a class one is

4034
02:55:46,319 --> 02:55:48,640
plenty. If it was up to me, it would be

4035
02:55:48,640 --> 02:55:51,760
a class one up to age 18, but I don't

4036
02:55:51,760 --> 02:55:54,319
know how much discretion we would have

4037
02:55:54,319 --> 02:55:57,200
around this. But, um, I'm really glad

4038
02:55:57,200 --> 02:55:59,120
that we're having this discussion and

4039
02:55:59,120 --> 02:56:01,840
really grateful for your advocacy. Uh,

4040
02:56:01,840 --> 02:56:03,600
you know, one of the things that I think

4041
02:56:03,600 --> 02:56:06,160
gives us more responsibility,

4042
02:56:06,160 --> 02:56:08,560
um, just as is the case with Marin,

4043
02:56:08,560 --> 02:56:10,880
we're an affluent community, so our

4044
02:56:10,880 --> 02:56:14,319
families can afford these at a greater

4045
02:56:14,319 --> 02:56:16,399
percentage among our youth than many

4046
02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:19,600
other communities. So, I think we really

4047
02:56:19,600 --> 02:56:22,560
do have a responsibility to be

4048
02:56:22,560 --> 02:56:24,880
aggressive and to lead the way on on

4049
02:56:24,880 --> 02:56:26,399
safety on this. Thank you.

4050
02:56:26,399 --> 02:56:27,760
>> Thank you.

4051
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:30,399
>> Um, Council Member Adams.

4052
02:56:30,399 --> 02:56:34,160
Thank you, mayor. Uh, just three things.

4053
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:36,800
First, do not discount the wonderful

4054
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:39,840
comment about photos. When I saw your

4055
02:56:39,840 --> 02:56:42,080
presentation, Mandy, there was a picture

4056
02:56:42,080 --> 02:56:47,040
of some police officer lecturing to a

4057
02:56:47,040 --> 02:56:48,399
bunch of students who were sitting

4058
02:56:48,399 --> 02:56:52,399
there. It was all text.

4059
02:56:52,399 --> 02:56:54,800
This does not communicate doesn't

4060
02:56:54,800 --> 02:56:56,640
communicate to most humans, but

4061
02:56:56,640 --> 02:57:01,279
definitely not kids. So real pictures

4062
02:57:01,279 --> 02:57:03,760
are the story we need to tell number

4063
02:57:03,760 --> 02:57:06,080
one. So that was a great comment. Number

4064
02:57:06,080 --> 02:57:09,680
two, a police presence at commute hours

4065
02:57:09,680 --> 02:57:13,920
for the schools. Just a squad car, just

4066
02:57:13,920 --> 02:57:17,520
a presence might discourage some of this

4067
02:57:17,520 --> 02:57:20,000
as an idea. But third, I think you're

4068
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:23,200
hearing that we're really committed to

4069
02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:25,520
doing something before we have to name

4070
02:57:25,520 --> 02:57:28,640
the law after the person who's gone.

4071
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:31,840
We're not doing that. We want to do

4072
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:34,800
something now. And I heard us ask or at

4073
02:57:34,800 --> 02:57:39,439
least I heard a nice offer from our city

4074
02:57:39,439 --> 02:57:42,960
attorney to give us the full menu of

4075
02:57:42,960 --> 02:57:46,160
things that we can do. Even if they're

4076
02:57:46,160 --> 02:57:48,560
incremental and small, we want to see

4077
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:52,720
that menu. And that's a at least a a

4078
02:57:52,720 --> 02:57:57,120
start at showing our real seriousness

4079
02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:59,840
about this.

4080
02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:04,000
>> Thank you. Um any additional comments?

4081
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:06,000
>> Just really quickly, I mean I think I

4082
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:07,680
think that you speak volumes in the

4083
02:58:07,680 --> 02:58:09,680
audience regarding the incidents that

4084
02:58:09,680 --> 02:58:11,840
you experienced and I think you speak

4085
02:58:11,840 --> 02:58:14,160
volumes when you speak to other parents.

4086
02:58:14,160 --> 02:58:17,200
I think that is gradually now come to

4087
02:58:17,200 --> 02:58:19,600
all the family members and you know

4088
02:58:19,600 --> 02:58:24,160
adults or kids that ebike is a misnomer

4089
02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:27,760
uh is really a motorcycle uh in disguise

4090
02:58:27,760 --> 02:58:29,680
um because of the speed and because of

4091
02:58:29,680 --> 02:58:32,720
the throttle. So I do applaud that um

4092
02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:35,439
our police uh departments have been on

4093
02:58:35,439 --> 02:58:38,720
the forefront to do the outreach uh to

4094
02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:41,680
the students. U Crocker kids are perfect

4095
02:58:41,680 --> 02:58:43,840
age groups and maybe now we need to look

4096
02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:45,760
into you know fourth graders and fifth

4097
02:58:45,760 --> 02:58:47,920
graders because that that that that

4098
02:58:47,920 --> 02:58:50,800
whole group needs to have the

4099
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:53,600
understanding and I think often times as

4100
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:55,520
much as we're approaching this

4101
02:58:55,520 --> 02:58:57,359
multiprongs

4102
02:58:57,359 --> 02:58:59,120
with the regulations with the

4103
02:58:59,120 --> 02:59:01,760
legislators with the enforcement for

4104
02:59:01,760 --> 02:59:04,800
that matters I think the self-awareness

4105
02:59:04,800 --> 02:59:07,520
and then self sort of you know in terms

4106
02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:10,080
of the the group trying to you know

4107
02:59:10,080 --> 02:59:12,800
understand this better um so to keep

4108
02:59:12,800 --> 02:59:15,359
themselves safe is important so I also

4109
02:59:15,359 --> 02:59:18,240
applaud uh the chief to talk about the

4110
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:20,080
future assembly where there's

4111
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:22,960
opportunity for the Crocker students the

4112
02:59:22,960 --> 02:59:24,240
middle you know the fourth and fifth

4113
02:59:24,240 --> 02:59:26,479
graders come together and then to be

4114
02:59:26,479 --> 02:59:28,560
able to actually actually experience

4115
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:30,640
what are the proper ways what are the

4116
02:59:30,640 --> 02:59:33,040
proper rules to keep themselves safe

4117
02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:37,439
when they use the the e- motor pets or

4118
02:59:37,439 --> 02:59:40,000
whatever that we want to name them. We

4119
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:42,560
have to name them so that it's not going

4120
02:59:42,560 --> 02:59:46,319
to be a bicycle as we like to say but

4121
02:59:46,319 --> 02:59:48,720
need to understand that and then you

4122
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:51,359
know multi-prongs approach with the

4123
02:59:51,359 --> 02:59:53,279
advocacy

4124
02:59:53,279 --> 02:59:56,000
with the education with the practice to

4125
02:59:56,000 --> 02:59:58,720
keep our community safe. So

4126
02:59:58,720 --> 03:00:01,120
>> thank you. Um the only thing I will add

4127
03:00:01,120 --> 03:00:04,479
is maybe staff could also including HPD

4128
03:00:04,479 --> 03:00:06,560
reach out to the all parents group to

4129
03:00:06,560 --> 03:00:08,479
expand the education to the parents

4130
03:00:08,479 --> 03:00:11,840
directly. I think APG um when parents

4131
03:00:11,840 --> 03:00:15,279
hear the stories like Nadine is talking

4132
03:00:15,279 --> 03:00:17,040
about as well as hear what's in the

4133
03:00:17,040 --> 03:00:20,160
pipeline and what can be done. Um just

4134
03:00:20,160 --> 03:00:22,479
being able to discuss with all the

4135
03:00:22,479 --> 03:00:25,120
parents who are many of the people on in

4136
03:00:25,120 --> 03:00:26,960
APG are very involved in the schools.

4137
03:00:26,960 --> 03:00:28,640
they want the best for all our students.

4138
03:00:28,640 --> 03:00:30,479
That would also be another platform we

4139
03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:32,720
can continue the education. So, we'll

4140
03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:34,640
work on bringing the information to the

4141
03:00:34,640 --> 03:00:37,520
all parents group as well. Um, no

4142
03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:40,160
additional comments and I will you have

4143
03:00:40,160 --> 03:00:40,640
a comment?

4144
03:00:40,640 --> 03:00:42,479
>> Yeah, one more quick one. I'm sorry. Um,

4145
03:00:42,479 --> 03:00:44,720
and uh vice mayor alluded to this. I

4146
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:47,439
don't think it's a an eitheror issue

4147
03:00:47,439 --> 03:00:50,880
about promoting uh walking and bike

4148
03:00:50,880 --> 03:00:53,520
riding. It's a both and. We can promote

4149
03:00:53,520 --> 03:00:56,479
bike riding and keep it safe. Yeah.

4150
03:00:56,479 --> 03:00:59,040
Thank you. All right. So, um, thank you

4151
03:00:59,040 --> 03:01:01,120
for being here. Um, we hear you and

4152
03:01:01,120 --> 03:01:03,200
we're working aggressively with all the

4153
03:01:03,200 --> 03:01:06,960
stakeholders to move this issue. Um, and

4154
03:01:06,960 --> 03:01:09,120
keep continue to focus on the safety of

4155
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:10,800
our students and our children. Thank you

4156
03:01:10,800 --> 03:01:13,920
so much. The next item, what public

4157
03:01:13,920 --> 03:01:15,359
comment, well, we already did public

4158
03:01:15,359 --> 03:01:16,880
comments and you guys are here. Nothing

4159
03:01:16,880 --> 03:01:19,359
on Zoom, correct?

4160
03:01:19,359 --> 03:01:20,399
>> That was correct.

4161
03:01:20,399 --> 03:01:23,200
>> Okay. Um,

4162
03:01:23,200 --> 03:01:26,399
oh, I'm sorry. It looks like someone

4163
03:01:26,399 --> 03:01:27,520
just um

4164
03:01:27,520 --> 03:01:29,439
>> It looks like Yeah, it looks like Mike

4165
03:01:29,439 --> 03:01:31,120
Swire just raised his hand.

4166
03:01:31,120 --> 03:01:33,200
>> Yes. And I don't mind. Yeah, let's let's

4167
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:34,479
take that. We may have just missed it

4168
03:01:34,479 --> 03:01:36,880
because we were involved in our

4169
03:01:36,880 --> 03:01:39,120
discussion. Hello, Mike.

4170
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:40,560
>> Yeah. Hi. Can you hear me?

4171
03:01:40,560 --> 03:01:41,439
>> Yes.

4172
03:01:41,439 --> 03:01:43,279
>> Awesome. Sorry, I I thought came in late

4173
03:01:43,279 --> 03:01:44,960
and I thought I missed it, but um yeah,

4174
03:01:44,960 --> 03:01:47,200
thanks for taking my my message. Um, I

4175
03:01:47,200 --> 03:01:49,359
didn't hear everything, but um, I do

4176
03:01:49,359 --> 03:01:51,120
want to applaud the council for being

4177
03:01:51,120 --> 03:01:53,520
proactive and trying to address

4178
03:01:53,520 --> 03:01:56,160
proactively um, street safety and

4179
03:01:56,160 --> 03:01:59,600
prevent um, crashes from happening. Um,

4180
03:01:59,600 --> 03:02:01,359
I've attended all the city council

4181
03:02:01,359 --> 03:02:03,760
meetings and all or sorry the um, the

4182
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:05,760
legislator meetings and also we've

4183
03:02:05,760 --> 03:02:08,720
discussed this at the CCAG BPAC. Um, and

4184
03:02:08,720 --> 03:02:12,640
I just wanted to um reiterate that the

4185
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:15,040
largest problem we face on our streets

4186
03:02:15,040 --> 03:02:18,399
is um is drivers hitting people on foot

4187
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:20,080
and people on bike and that includes

4188
03:02:20,080 --> 03:02:22,080
people on ebike. And if you read the

4189
03:02:22,080 --> 03:02:24,399
Manetta Institute report, they show that

4190
03:02:24,399 --> 03:02:26,160
the majority of crashes, although the

4191
03:02:26,160 --> 03:02:28,720
data, as you said, is not perfect, uh,

4192
03:02:28,720 --> 03:02:30,960
involve drivers hitting kids on ebikes.

4193
03:02:30,960 --> 03:02:32,160
And there's a lot of reasons that

4194
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:34,880
happens, including kids not knowing how

4195
03:02:34,880 --> 03:02:37,760
to control the machines. But um I do

4196
03:02:37,760 --> 03:02:39,040
find it a little frustrating. I'm not

4197
03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:40,319
talking about you because it's happening

4198
03:02:40,319 --> 03:02:42,960
everywhere that um we're spending so

4199
03:02:42,960 --> 03:02:50,240
much time and energy on um ebikes and so little on the larger problem um

4200
03:02:50,240 --> 03:02:52,880
of pedestrians and regular bicycle

4201
03:02:52,880 --> 03:02:55,760
riders uh dying on our streets. Um I've

4202
03:02:55,760 --> 03:02:57,279
talked to two different families in the

4203
03:02:57,279 --> 03:03:00,560
last two weeks um that have uh lost

4204
03:03:00,560 --> 03:03:03,600
loved ones. Uh uh one was a a 4-year-old

4205
03:03:03,600 --> 03:03:05,520
boy who died on a sidewalk in

4206
03:03:05,520 --> 03:03:08,000
Berlingame. The other was a 63-year-old

4207
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:11,040
grandmother of 14 grandchildren who was

4208
03:03:11,040 --> 03:03:14,240
crossing El Camino and San Mateo and was

4209
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:17,279
um uh run down while in the crosswalk.

4210
03:03:17,279 --> 03:03:20,479
Um these are uh fatalities. If you look

4211
03:03:20,479 --> 03:03:22,399
at nationwide, we have about 40,000

4212
03:03:22,399 --> 03:03:26,080
people dying uh getting hit by cars or

4213
03:03:26,080 --> 03:03:29,439
in cars. Um, ebikes are rising, but it's

4214
03:03:29,439 --> 03:03:30,960
still only a couple hundred. That

4215
03:03:30,960 --> 03:03:33,200
doesn't mean we don't focus on it, but I

4216
03:03:33,200 --> 03:03:35,040
do think that we have to think and be

4217
03:03:35,040 --> 03:03:38,319
data uh driven and focus on where the

4218
03:03:38,319 --> 03:03:40,319
problem is because everything that we do

4219
03:03:40,319 --> 03:03:42,240
to make the street safer makes it safe

4220
03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:44,880
for all users, pedestrians, cyclists,

4221
03:03:44,880 --> 03:03:46,800
and ecyclists. And again, a lot of the

4222
03:03:46,800 --> 03:03:49,279
problems with ebikes is we don't have

4223
03:03:49,279 --> 03:03:52,640
safe places for kids to get around. One

4224
03:03:52,640 --> 03:03:53,920
of the things that these things one of

4225
03:03:53,920 --> 03:03:55,760
the reasons these things are so popular

4226
03:03:55,760 --> 03:03:57,439
is because it provides kids with a sense

4227
03:03:57,439 --> 03:03:59,600
of independence and they don't have to

4228
03:03:59,600 --> 03:04:01,120
rely on mom and dad to to get

4229
03:04:01,120 --> 03:04:03,840
everywhere. Um we need develops to

4230
03:04:03,840 --> 03:04:06,560
develop safe spaces for them to do so

4231
03:04:06,560 --> 03:04:08,319
hopefully on machines that don't go more

4232
03:04:08,319 --> 03:04:11,680
than 20 m an hour. Um but the problem

4233
03:04:11,680 --> 03:04:14,319
the larger problem that we face is uh

4234
03:04:14,319 --> 03:04:15,920
the streets are not safe and I applaud

4235
03:04:15,920 --> 03:04:18,160
the bike and pedmaster plan that we've

4236
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:20,240
recently developed but my understanding

4237
03:04:20,240 --> 03:04:22,160
is there's no funding for for those

4238
03:04:22,160 --> 03:04:23,920
projects. I haven't heard of more

4239
03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:26,080
projects coming out of that. So in

4240
03:04:26,080 --> 03:04:28,160
conclusion I just uh in addition to this

4241
03:04:28,160 --> 03:04:29,760
energy that we have here I'd really

4242
03:04:29,760 --> 03:04:32,640
encourage you to focus on street safety

4243
03:04:32,640 --> 03:04:36,080
because it benefits all road users. Um

4244
03:04:36,080 --> 03:04:37,760
and uh I think that's where we're going

4245
03:04:37,760 --> 03:04:38,960
to get the most bang for the buck.

4246
03:04:38,960 --> 03:04:40,080
Thanks so much.

4247
03:04:40,080 --> 03:04:42,080
>> Thank you, Mr. Squire. Mr. Swire, those

4248
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:44,240
are um great thoughts and and feedback.

4249
03:04:44,240 --> 03:04:46,000
Appreciate that.

4250
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:48,399
>> Um ML, if I could just summarize the

4251
03:04:48,399 --> 03:04:50,240
council direction. Um just make sure

4252
03:04:50,240 --> 03:04:53,279
that I heard it appropriately. Um that

4253
03:04:53,279 --> 03:04:55,920
we the city manager's office will work

4254
03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:57,279
with the city attorney's office to

4255
03:04:57,279 --> 03:05:00,240
return with a menu of options for um

4256
03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:03,359
what ordinances or policies um the town

4257
03:05:03,359 --> 03:05:05,840
could take advantage of. Um, as part of

4258
03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:07,840
that report, we could con could include

4259
03:05:07,840 --> 03:05:10,080
some additional data collection or at

4260
03:05:10,080 --> 03:05:12,160
least information on what data is

4261
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:15,200
collected um, now and moving forward and

4262
03:05:15,200 --> 03:05:18,960
then also some reports on additional

4263
03:05:18,960 --> 03:05:21,359
education and enforcement activities

4264
03:05:21,359 --> 03:05:23,279
that were summarized tonight. Does that

4265
03:05:23,279 --> 03:05:24,560
capture everything?

4266
03:05:24,560 --> 03:05:26,399
>> Um, as well as any feedback from the

4267
03:05:26,399 --> 03:05:28,319
state legislature between now and then.

4268
03:05:28,319 --> 03:05:31,040
Yes, I'm sure that that will certainly

4269
03:05:31,040 --> 03:05:33,600
guide us in terms of what we can enact

4270
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:35,200
locally at this point.

4271
03:05:35,200 --> 03:05:36,800
>> Sure. Great. Thank you.

4272
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:40,080
>> Okay. Thank you.

4273
03:05:40,080 --> 03:05:42,399
>> I just want to point out um and I do

4274
03:05:42,399 --> 03:05:44,479
applaud Supervisor Spear for doing the

4275
03:05:44,479 --> 03:05:47,279
town hall, but anything that the county

4276
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:49,840
does only applies to unincorporated

4277
03:05:49,840 --> 03:05:51,600
regions of the county. It's up to every

4278
03:05:51,600 --> 03:05:54,560
city in the county to adopt their own

4279
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:55,359
regulations.

4280
03:05:55,359 --> 03:06:00,319
>> Right. Unfortunately, that's sin. That's

4281
03:06:00,319 --> 03:06:04,640
Yeah. Um, so next item is um city

4282
03:06:04,640 --> 03:06:06,880
council items um which would would allow

4283
03:06:06,880 --> 03:06:09,439
us to comment on any activities we may

4284
03:06:09,439 --> 03:06:11,439
have been involved in as uh city council

4285
03:06:11,439 --> 03:06:14,800
members in the county or at large.

4286
03:06:14,800 --> 03:06:18,399
Starting with council member Adams.

4287
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:20,479
>> Thank you very much.

4288
03:06:20,479 --> 03:06:24,160
Um, you'll notice pictures speak loudly

4289
03:06:24,160 --> 03:06:26,960
in my presentations. That's just my my

4290
03:06:26,960 --> 03:06:29,120
pitch for that. Uh, this is a winter

4291
03:06:29,120 --> 03:06:31,920
scene from my backyard January. What did

4292
03:06:31,920 --> 03:06:35,840
I do? Uh, for our council. Next slide.

4293
03:06:35,840 --> 03:06:37,600
Uh, met with the Hillsboro

4294
03:06:37,600 --> 03:06:39,600
Beautification Foundation. They are

4295
03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:42,240
planning their 2026

4296
03:06:42,240 --> 03:06:45,600
uh calendar now, working on Celebrate

4297
03:06:45,600 --> 03:06:47,439
May. But I want to draw special

4298
03:06:47,439 --> 03:06:49,040
attention to the daffodils that are

4299
03:06:49,040 --> 03:06:51,520
poking up right now uh all over

4300
03:06:51,520 --> 03:06:53,680
Hillsboro thanks to Hillsboro

4301
03:06:53,680 --> 03:06:58,960
Beautification Foundation. Next slide.

4302
03:06:58,960 --> 03:07:02,560
Uh I am on the board for Rethink Waste.

4303
03:07:02,560 --> 03:07:06,080
And just as if you don't know how that

4304
03:07:06,080 --> 03:07:07,840
works, there are two parts, two

4305
03:07:07,840 --> 03:07:10,720
components to what Rethink Waste does.

4306
03:07:10,720 --> 03:07:13,520
It collects the garbage and then it

4307
03:07:13,520 --> 03:07:15,920
processes the waste. And those are done

4308
03:07:15,920 --> 03:07:17,680
by two different companies under

4309
03:07:17,680 --> 03:07:21,600
contract with rethink waste or in the

4310
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:24,560
case of collection there it is done by

4311
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:27,439
recology but with separate contracts

4312
03:07:27,439 --> 03:07:31,359
with 11 different cities or entities. So

4313
03:07:31,359 --> 03:07:34,720
rethink waste manages this relationship

4314
03:07:34,720 --> 03:07:37,439
but there are a variety of contracts.

4315
03:07:37,439 --> 03:07:39,680
Recology is currently in labor

4316
03:07:39,680 --> 03:07:43,439
negotiations with its collectors uh now

4317
03:07:43,439 --> 03:07:46,479
after the end of the previous seven-year

4318
03:07:46,479 --> 03:07:49,359
contract. So, we'll see how that works.

4319
03:07:49,359 --> 03:07:51,920
That is not something that Rethink Waste

4320
03:07:51,920 --> 03:07:55,040
is involved in those negotiations. That

4321
03:07:55,040 --> 03:07:58,720
is strictly with Recology and its

4322
03:07:58,720 --> 03:08:03,200
contracts. Uh I'm was pleased to see uh

4323
03:08:03,200 --> 03:08:05,439
new members of our board. Uh Jackie

4324
03:08:05,439 --> 03:08:08,640
Spear is part of the board now and Lisa

4325
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:13,040
uh Diaz Nash is also a new member. Uh

4326
03:08:13,040 --> 03:08:15,279
and the new appointments have come out

4327
03:08:15,279 --> 03:08:17,040
and I've been appointed to the finance

4328
03:08:17,040 --> 03:08:18,800
committee in addition to the outreach

4329
03:08:18,800 --> 03:08:23,910
and education. Next,

4330
03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:28,720
uh, council duties and meetings, uh,

4331
03:08:28,720 --> 03:08:31,040
working on the subcommittee of Tobin

4332
03:08:31,040 --> 03:08:33,439
Clark, committee ordinances,

4333
03:08:33,439 --> 03:08:35,359
telecommunications, and undergrounding

4334
03:08:35,359 --> 03:08:38,080
utilities. I just have to compliment our

4335
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:40,800
assistant city manager, Mandy Brown, has

4336
03:08:40,800 --> 03:08:43,359
done just a wonderful job on working on

4337
03:08:43,359 --> 03:08:46,080
that. But as commissioner of public

4338
03:08:46,080 --> 03:08:48,640
works, I want to do a special shout out

4339
03:08:48,640 --> 03:08:52,080
to public works uh for some of the night

4340
03:08:52,080 --> 03:08:54,240
work that they get to do during this

4341
03:08:54,240 --> 03:08:56,720
season and do so quietly and

4342
03:08:56,720 --> 03:09:00,560
efficiently. Next slide.

4343
03:09:00,560 --> 03:09:03,840
Uh leadership council San Mateo. Uh this

4344
03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:08,000
was a day in Halfoon Bay to visit NOS's

4345
03:09:08,000 --> 03:09:11,760
which is just so inspiring. Uh this is

4346
03:09:11,760 --> 03:09:15,520
the uh Half Moon Bay Library which has a

4347
03:09:15,520 --> 03:09:18,080
community space which is just wonderful.

4348
03:09:18,080 --> 03:09:21,600
Um but mostly we walked from there to

4349
03:09:21,600 --> 03:09:24,640
the wonderful places that are helping

4350
03:09:24,640 --> 03:09:28,080
our citizens in San Monteo County uh

4351
03:09:28,080 --> 03:09:30,080
with all of their variety of needs at

4352
03:09:30,080 --> 03:09:34,230
the moment. Next

4353
03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:38,240
and again a winter sky in the morning. I

4354
03:09:38,240 --> 03:09:42,080
just after a year uh want to thank the

4355
03:09:42,080 --> 03:09:43,920
town of Hillsboro for this opportunity

4356
03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:47,920
to serve. And also I want to thank my

4357
03:09:47,920 --> 03:09:53,359
fellow fella, my girly uh council

4358
03:09:53,359 --> 03:09:54,880
members

4359
03:09:54,880 --> 03:09:57,520
uh for being such great colleagues, but

4360
03:09:57,520 --> 03:10:00,640
I wanted to take a moment to acknowledge

4361
03:10:00,640 --> 03:10:03,439
that anniversary for me. Thank you.

4362
03:10:03,439 --> 03:10:06,240
>> Thank you, Council Member Adams. I think

4363
03:10:06,240 --> 03:10:08,000
I could speak for all of us. So, we feel

4364
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:13,670
the same. Um, council member Trunk.

4365
03:10:13,680 --> 03:10:16,960
No, no, no slide deck. Um, I attended

4366
03:10:16,960 --> 03:10:19,200
the emergency service council on behalf

4367
03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:22,479
of town of Hillsboro and I also attended

4368
03:10:22,479 --> 03:10:24,800
uh Sam Trans.

4369
03:10:24,800 --> 03:10:31,040
Um, so both um actually both agency uh

4370
03:10:31,040 --> 03:10:35,920
focus on human trafficking. um this this

4371
03:10:35,920 --> 03:10:39,040
year actually I think that it's because

4372
03:10:39,040 --> 03:10:44,960
of the Super Bowl this past week, FIFA

4373
03:10:44,960 --> 03:10:48,560
uh in this whole year um and just the

4374
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:50,319
various activities I think that just

4375
03:10:50,319 --> 03:10:52,720
brought to the forefront in terms of the

4376
03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:55,600
human trafficking um awareness

4377
03:10:55,600 --> 03:10:57,439
announcement

4378
03:10:57,439 --> 03:10:59,840
um you know training their staff to

4379
03:10:59,840 --> 03:11:04,880
notice the uh uh the the situations and

4380
03:11:04,880 --> 03:11:07,520
to be able to report it and and render

4381
03:11:07,520 --> 03:11:11,439
helps. Um so it was critical. Um and I

4382
03:11:11,439 --> 03:11:13,439
also want to applaud uh the emergency

4383
03:11:13,439 --> 03:11:18,240
service council for um uh activating the

4384
03:11:18,240 --> 03:11:24,240
uh emergency um uh IO IC. I think that

4385
03:11:24,240 --> 03:11:26,640
that's what they're doing um for the

4386
03:11:26,640 --> 03:11:30,080
week of uh the Super Bowl um focusing on

4387
03:11:30,080 --> 03:11:33,600
the safety of Cal Train and um our

4388
03:11:33,600 --> 03:11:36,880
former chief uh Nelson Cordaway was uh

4389
03:11:36,880 --> 03:11:39,760
very much involved in that and so it was

4390
03:11:39,760 --> 03:11:43,279
um really nice to know that you know it

4391
03:11:43,279 --> 03:11:45,439
we're in good hands um that they were

4392
03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:48,640
really paying attention uh to that. Um

4393
03:11:48,640 --> 03:11:50,000
the other thing that I want to mention

4394
03:11:50,000 --> 03:11:55,520
is that um Sam trans I mentioned last month that uh Sam Tran is

4395
03:11:55,520 --> 03:11:58,479
celebrating its 50th anniversary um or

4396
03:11:58,479 --> 03:12:00,640
birthday for that matters. It started

4397
03:12:00,640 --> 03:12:03,040
July of 1976.

4398
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:05,120
So there are going to be events that is

4399
03:12:05,120 --> 03:12:08,080
coming into place namely uh on September

4400
03:12:08,080 --> 03:12:10,800
1st there will be riding the buses for

4401
03:12:10,800 --> 03:12:14,640
25 cents kicking back to the 76. Yes.

4402
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:17,439
And then the other thing is um on the

4403
03:12:17,439 --> 03:12:21,520
26th of September there will be a uh

4404
03:12:21,520 --> 03:12:25,040
more of a a festive events um at their

4405
03:12:25,040 --> 03:12:27,920
new headquarters in Milbury. Um so that

4406
03:12:27,920 --> 03:12:30,240
would be really exciting. Um the other

4407
03:12:30,240 --> 03:12:31,760
thing that I want to mention is that for

4408
03:12:31,760 --> 03:12:36,000
people who are interested in riding um

4409
03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:39,200
buses, Cal trains, there are Clipper

4410
03:12:39,200 --> 03:12:41,760
cards. you now will be able to use it

4411
03:12:41,760 --> 03:12:44,800
and you can have a app to use that and I

4412
03:12:44,800 --> 03:12:47,439
think that is really helpful. Um then

4413
03:12:47,439 --> 03:12:49,200
you can add money to it. It's

4414
03:12:49,200 --> 03:12:51,760
counterless and then you can you know

4415
03:12:51,760 --> 03:12:54,800
hop on the train, get onto the bar, hop

4416
03:12:54,800 --> 03:12:58,319
onto the bus and it's seamless. So

4417
03:12:58,319 --> 03:13:00,720
hopefully more more and more people will

4418
03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:03,439
get out of the ebike and use um the

4419
03:13:03,439 --> 03:13:06,880
public transit um to go to places. So

4420
03:13:06,880 --> 03:13:10,240
that's the end of my support. Oh, and

4421
03:13:10,240 --> 03:13:14,399
um H&N's um speaker series

4422
03:13:14,399 --> 03:13:17,680
um Wednesday, this Wednesday, Nove uh

4423
03:13:17,680 --> 03:13:21,200
not November, I'm sorry, uh February

4424
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:25,439
11th. I know. Uh please do come. We have

4425
03:13:25,439 --> 03:13:30,720
up to 65 RSVP right now and we have more

4426
03:13:30,720 --> 03:13:34,080
rooms uh for people to come and please

4427
03:13:34,080 --> 03:13:36,720
come and and hear the speakers. As our

4428
03:13:36,720 --> 03:13:39,840
city manager says, she speaks from her

4429
03:13:39,840 --> 03:13:42,319
own experience as to what works and what

4430
03:13:42,319 --> 03:13:44,960
not. And I think it's it's going to be a

4431
03:13:44,960 --> 03:13:47,680
really heartfelt discussion. So, please

4432
03:13:47,680 --> 03:13:52,080
make time to come 6:30 to 8.

4433
03:13:52,080 --> 03:13:53,840
>> Thank you, Council Member Chuang. I'll

4434
03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:56,720
go slightly out of order. Um,

4435
03:13:56,720 --> 03:14:03,269
Vice Mayor Rexdale,

4436
03:14:03,279 --> 03:14:06,479
» I have a a few visuals. Um, okay. Next

4437
03:14:06,479 --> 03:14:08,399
slide.

4438
03:14:08,399 --> 03:14:10,319
Uh, ebikes. You've heard enough from me

4439
03:14:10,319 --> 03:14:13,520
on ebikes, so I won't go into it. Um, I

4440
03:14:13,520 --> 03:14:16,239
attended two, uh, webinars, uh,

4441
03:14:16,239 --> 03:14:18,560
sustainable San Monteo County put on.

4442
03:14:18,560 --> 03:14:20,479
They focus on a different issue every

4443
03:14:20,479 --> 03:14:23,040
year, and this year is plant-based food

4444
03:14:23,040 --> 03:14:26,640
policies. Um, and as you know, I'm a

4445
03:14:26,640 --> 03:14:28,239
vegetarian. I'm not going to impose that

4446
03:14:28,239 --> 03:14:30,640
on everyone. Don't worry. But it is

4447
03:14:30,640 --> 03:14:33,200
interesting to learn to learn about

4448
03:14:33,200 --> 03:14:34,960
there are options especially for big

4449
03:14:34,960 --> 03:14:37,359
towns. West Hollywood where my daughter

4450
03:14:37,359 --> 03:14:42,960
lives um they have for any town event it

4451
03:14:42,960 --> 03:14:45,200
plant-based is the first option for

4452
03:14:45,200 --> 03:14:47,439
food. So it's a subtle way to go but

4453
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:49,680
again I'm not going to impose it on

4454
03:14:49,680 --> 03:14:53,279
people. um uh the ad hoc ordinance

4455
03:14:53,279 --> 03:14:56,399
committee. We had a great meeting um

4456
03:14:56,399 --> 03:15:00,000
working with um assistant city manager

4457
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:03,120
or assistant city attorney Mark Hudach

4458
03:15:03,120 --> 03:15:06,560
and um council member Adams and we um

4459
03:15:06,560 --> 03:15:08,399
will be coming back before the council

4460
03:15:08,399 --> 03:15:14,150
before long. Next slide.

4461
03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:16,720
uh Peninsula Clean Energy, you've

4462
03:15:16,720 --> 03:15:18,640
probably you guys all read the E-News,

4463
03:15:18,640 --> 03:15:22,720
but um PG Gene rates went down. It's a

4464
03:15:22,720 --> 03:15:24,640
little complicated, but PG& rates went

4465
03:15:24,640 --> 03:15:27,600
down and so Peninsula Clean Energy, we

4466
03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:31,840
voted to also to change our rates um so

4467
03:15:31,840 --> 03:15:35,279
we would continue the 10% discount um

4468
03:15:35,279 --> 03:15:38,800
for now to um it's not only clean, but

4469
03:15:38,800 --> 03:15:41,840
it's also a savings from PG&'s um

4470
03:15:41,840 --> 03:15:44,640
electricity. Uh they officially signed

4471
03:15:44,640 --> 03:15:46,560
the lease for their new location. I've

4472
03:15:46,560 --> 03:15:48,239
mentioned the new location a couple of

4473
03:15:48,239 --> 03:15:50,319
times, but it's in downtown San Monteo.

4474
03:15:50,319 --> 03:15:53,520
They're hoping to move in in October. Um

4475
03:15:53,520 --> 03:15:55,359
I joined the legislative committee,

4476
03:15:55,359 --> 03:15:58,479
which I'm so excited about. Um there was

4477
03:15:58,479 --> 03:16:00,319
a quorum issue because I'm on the

4478
03:16:00,319 --> 03:16:02,399
executive committee and and one of the

4479
03:16:02,399 --> 03:16:04,319
people on the executive committee uh

4480
03:16:04,319 --> 03:16:06,239
decided he could he could go off and I

4481
03:16:06,239 --> 03:16:09,279
got to join. So I'm very excited. Um and

4482
03:16:09,279 --> 03:16:13,600
for um Bosa um I'm now the chair of the

4483
03:16:13,600 --> 03:16:16,000
board policy committee. So very very

4484
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:21,279
exciting. Uh next slide. Um oh um the I

4485
03:16:21,279 --> 03:16:23,200
did the homelessness count which is

4486
03:16:23,200 --> 03:16:25,600
super easy. I I know that you've done it

4487
03:16:25,600 --> 03:16:26,880
before. You guys have probably all done

4488
03:16:26,880 --> 03:16:29,680
it before. Um getting up reporting there

4489
03:16:29,680 --> 03:16:31,600
at 5 in the morning is hard because you

4490
03:16:31,600 --> 03:16:32,479
really don't sleep because you're

4491
03:16:32,479 --> 03:16:35,439
worried you won't wake up. Um but it was

4492
03:16:35,439 --> 03:16:37,040
super easy. The hardest thing was how

4493
03:16:37,040 --> 03:16:39,920
old I felt because this pregnant young

4494
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:42,000
woman was my daughter's best friend

4495
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:44,000
since kindergarten and uh she's one of

4496
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:46,319
the people in charge of it. So, um Loi

4497
03:16:46,319 --> 03:16:49,840
Saba, she's fantastic. Um anyway, um I

4498
03:16:49,840 --> 03:16:52,080
do recommend it. It was it was super

4499
03:16:52,080 --> 03:16:54,800
easy and they train you really well. Uh

4500
03:16:54,800 --> 03:16:58,870
next slide.

4501
03:16:58,880 --> 03:17:02,000
Um oh, again, ebikes. Sorry.

4502
03:17:02,000 --> 03:17:04,960
Um, but this was just one of the slides

4503
03:17:04,960 --> 03:17:07,200
from our amazing uh, youth commission

4504
03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:10,399
chair Anya Dal and she just brought such

4505
03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:13,040
a unique perspective and talking about

4506
03:17:13,040 --> 03:17:14,720
picture being worth a thousand words.

4507
03:17:14,720 --> 03:17:16,479
This video contest I think is really

4508
03:17:16,479 --> 03:17:18,560
going to be fantastic and she's offering

4509
03:17:18,560 --> 03:17:22,080
a $500 prize. So that's um you know

4510
03:17:22,080 --> 03:17:25,200
people will enter and um you just just

4511
03:17:25,200 --> 03:17:26,720
think about scared straight and all the

4512
03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:29,600
things that that um we learned when we

4513
03:17:29,600 --> 03:17:31,600
um learned how to drive a car. I think

4514
03:17:31,600 --> 03:17:33,920
this is going to be helpful. And I think

4515
03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:36,080
that might be it.

4516
03:17:36,080 --> 03:17:38,399
>> Okay. Thank you, Vice Mayor Rexdale. And

4517
03:17:38,399 --> 03:17:41,439
I will um go next and I will have uh

4518
03:17:41,439 --> 03:17:44,479
Council Member Cruic go after me. Um I

4519
03:17:44,479 --> 03:17:46,479
don't really have much to uh report.

4520
03:17:46,479 --> 03:17:50,640
Thanks to all of you. Um, and I did meet

4521
03:17:50,640 --> 03:17:52,960
with several residents on issues

4522
03:17:52,960 --> 03:17:55,040
pertaining to town that the staff is

4523
03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:56,960
working very hard to help us address,

4524
03:17:56,960 --> 03:17:59,680
but otherwise um the town continues to

4525
03:17:59,680 --> 03:18:02,319
work very hard to uh keep things fur,

4526
03:18:02,319 --> 03:18:04,080
keep the town working in perfect

4527
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:06,399
condition as best as as possible. So,

4528
03:18:06,399 --> 03:18:09,840
I'm actually going to um uh before we

4529
03:18:09,840 --> 03:18:11,279
adjourn final adjournment, council

4530
03:18:11,279 --> 03:18:12,640
member Crowley has asked me that we

4531
03:18:12,640 --> 03:18:14,560
adjourn the meeting in honor of the

4532
03:18:14,560 --> 03:18:16,880
memory of someone special to her that

4533
03:18:16,880 --> 03:18:19,920
has passed recently. So, I I will ask

4534
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:22,960
her to provide comments at this time.

4535
03:18:22,960 --> 03:18:24,720
Thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor. I

4536
03:18:24,720 --> 03:18:26,800
just have two activities to report on.

4537
03:18:26,800 --> 03:18:30,640
First, we had ADRB on January 26th um

4538
03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:34,000
where we went over uh design review

4539
03:18:34,000 --> 03:18:37,520
guidelines. um they are design we're

4540
03:18:37,520 --> 03:18:39,520
looking at those and they will come

4541
03:18:39,520 --> 03:18:41,920
before council I think um as part of a

4542
03:18:41,920 --> 03:18:43,920
transparent process for fairness and

4543
03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:47,200
consistency in those and then s uh San

4544
03:18:47,200 --> 03:18:50,640
Francisco airport noise roundt the uh

4545
03:18:50,640 --> 03:18:52,319
technical working group is working on

4546
03:18:52,319 --> 03:18:56,319
the fly quiet program and um and the

4547
03:18:56,319 --> 03:18:59,359
airport director reported that 2025

4548
03:18:59,359 --> 03:19:01,120
uh number of passengers is almost back

4549
03:19:01,120 --> 03:19:05,040
to 2019 levels um and Whimo has a pilot

4550
03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:07,200
programmed to SFO they are dropping off

4551
03:19:07,200 --> 03:19:10,399
and picking up in the rental car area.

4552
03:19:10,399 --> 03:19:13,439
Um but now for my um personal note and I

4553
03:19:13,439 --> 03:19:14,880
do want to thank the mayor for allowing

4554
03:19:14,880 --> 03:19:17,200
me to pay tribute to a close friend of

4555
03:19:17,200 --> 03:19:22,000
mine of over 50 years. We met when uh I

4556
03:19:22,000 --> 03:19:23,760
was 12 years old. She was the new girl

4557
03:19:23,760 --> 03:19:25,840
in the school. We became fast friends.

4558
03:19:25,840 --> 03:19:27,840
She spent her life in my hometown of

4559
03:19:27,840 --> 03:19:29,520
Doylesstown, Pennsylvania and was

4560
03:19:29,520 --> 03:19:31,600
essentially a member of my family. My

4561
03:19:31,600 --> 03:19:33,359
father considered her another daughter

4562
03:19:33,359 --> 03:19:36,080
and she was like a sister to me. Um but

4563
03:19:36,080 --> 03:19:39,439
more importantly she was a dedicated,

4564
03:19:39,439 --> 03:19:41,680
creative and beloved elementary school

4565
03:19:41,680 --> 03:19:44,560
teacher for almost 40 years making a

4566
03:19:44,560 --> 03:19:46,880
positive impact on over a thousand

4567
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:50,319
students. Um she passed away in January

4568
03:19:50,319 --> 03:19:53,359
at the age of 69 from cancer and left

4569
03:19:53,359 --> 03:19:55,439
behind her wonderful husband and there's

4570
03:19:55,439 --> 03:19:59,520
those three spectacular daughters. Um,

4571
03:19:59,520 --> 03:20:02,000
so I uh respectfully request that we

4572
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:03,840
adjourn tonight in honor of my dear

4573
03:20:03,840 --> 03:20:09,269
friend Claire Hennean.

4574
03:20:09,279 --> 03:20:12,160
Oh, deepest sympathy.

4575
03:20:12,160 --> 03:20:13,680
With that said, this meeting is now

4576
03:20:13,680 --> 03:20:16,680
adjourned.