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Good afternoon. The Hillsboro City

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Council meeting is now called to order.

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Um, city clerk, may we please have the

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roll call?

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>> Thank you, Mayor Cole Adams

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>> present.

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Crow

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>> Ragdale

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>> present. Cole

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>> present. Um, do we have any um conflicts

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of interest from the council um on any

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items that are on the close session item

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agenda?

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Seeing none, let me announce the um

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items on close session agenda.

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Item A, conference with legal council

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existing litigation, town of Hillsboro

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versus all persons interested in the

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matter of the proceedings for resolution

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adopting maximum rates for water service

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charges.

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Item B, conference with legal council,

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anticipated litigation pursu pursuant to

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government code section 54956.9,

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print D, print 2, one or more potential

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cases. Item C, conference with legal

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council, existing litigation,

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county of San Mateo, town of Hills,

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Hillsboro at all versus the state of

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California, San Francisco Superior

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Court, case number CPF25-519270

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lawsuit regarding vehicle license fees.

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Item D, public employee performance

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evaluation title city attorney.

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Do we have any um public comment on on

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any of the close session items?

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>> No, mayor call. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. And we will now adjourn to

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the close session in the administrative

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conference room. The regular city

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council meeting will resume um at 6 p.m.

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Thank you.

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» Good evening everyone. The Hillsboro

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City Council meeting is now called to

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order. The time is 6:04,

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July 13th.

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Um, city clerk, may we please have the

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roll call.

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>> Thank you. Adams,

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>> present. Schwang

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>> Crowig,

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>> present. Braxdale,

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>> present. Cole,

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>> present.

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>> Thank you.

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>> City attorney D, is there a report from

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close session?

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>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Just wanted to

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announce for the public that the council

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did convene in close session a little

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earlier today to consider four items. Uh

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with regard to item C on the close

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session agenda regarding the existing

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lawsuit against the state of California

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regarding vehicle license fees. I wanted

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to note that the council did provide

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unanimous consent uh to to the city

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attorney to dismiss that lawsuit um in cooperation with the county of Samale

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and all of the cities within the county.

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» Thank you. Um, I see I skipped a very

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important part of our uh evening. Please

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join me as we pledge allegiance to the

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flag.

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we have a couple of proclamations. We're

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honored to present two uh proclamations

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this evening before we get started with

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the meeting. And um our first

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proclamation, we're honored tonight to

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have um the Rethink Trash um Rethink

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Waste Trash Art Contest. It's an

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individual fourth grade um uh

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competition contest. And tonight, I

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would like to invite South School

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student Reef to the podium to receive

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the certificate certificate in

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recognition of his efforts. We are so

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happy to have the opportunity to

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recognize you again, Reef, this year.

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in the individual fourth grade category

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for your art piece. Quite impressive.

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Cardboard crew reef. Um could you tell

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us a little bit about this piece

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before? Hi council. My name is Reo

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Sagera. I am the um education specialist

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over at Rethink Waste. Um before I re I

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let Reef speak about his wonderful

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project, I wanted to give you a little

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bit of background about our contest. So

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each spring, Rethink Waste hosts our

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annual trash to art contest, which is

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open to all third through fifth grade

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classes and individual students in the

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Rethink Waste service area. The contest

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challenges students to give trash a new

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meaning by creating artwork from

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material collected from everyday life

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which would have been recycled or thrown

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away. Three winners and two honorable

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mentions were recognized by Rethink

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Waste this year. Tonight we are honoring

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our first place winner of the individual

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fourth grade category. Please join me in

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congratulating Reef from South Hillsboro

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Elementary School.

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So Reef has a couple of things to say

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about his project. So Reef, could you

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introduce yourself?

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>> My name is Ree. I'm in fourth grade

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going into this.

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>> I go to South School.

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>> Perfect. And what was your inspiration

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>> Um, my inspiration comes from lots of

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movies and books that I um watch or read

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that have um like these ships.

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» Inspirational ships. And what was your

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process and what materials did you use

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to make this?

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>> Um, I used cardboard for the hole, paper

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for the sails.

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string to for for

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the ropes, bottle caps, um toothpicks,

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hot glue, and tape.

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>> Awesome. Can you pull that up?

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» That one is a Chinese junk boat.

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This one's a Viking ship.

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» Uh, this one's a gallion.

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>> So detailed. Congratulations.

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>> Congratulations. Um, we we have a

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proclamation for you and I've asked Council Member Adams to read

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the proclamation for you. Well, it was

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such a pleasure to give you this award

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this year, Reef. We're so proud of you,

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but uh maybe his grandfather can help

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me. He's sort of like a Rory Mroy. He

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did it two years in a row. Uh you were

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the number one winner last year as well.

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to you about how much research you had

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done on this and how many drawings you

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had done. And I did share uh this

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photograph at a convention uh I attended

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for the environment in Austin, Texas.

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were very interested in following suit

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and doing trash for art. So you are

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really changing things across the

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country and we're so proud of you. So

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let me read the certificate of

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recognition. The city council of the

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town of Hillsboro extends congratulatory

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reg rec recognition to Reef C. Macdonald

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fourth grade South Hillsboro Elementary

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School as the first place winner of the

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2026 Rethink Waste Trash to art contest

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individual fourth grade category for his

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piece cardboard crew. You are to be

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admired and commended for your efforts.

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» Keep up the good work.

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» We're going to take a photograph.

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» Congratulations again. We're very proud

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Okay. Um our next uh presentation is a

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proclamation to some Crocker alumni.

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This is such a brilliant idea. When

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students, well, these alums from Crocker

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reached out to me. I was like, what a

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brilliant idea. Why didn't I think of

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that? So anyways, um these are students

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who reached out to me several months ago

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and asked if we could do this very

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special proclamation for William H.

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Crocker School class of 1976 day on

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August 8th, 2026, which is what we're

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going to proclaim this evening. Whereas

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the William H. Crocker School class of

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1976 has reached the remarkable

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milestones of its 50th reunion,

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celebrating five decades of enduring

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friendships, shared memories, and

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lifelong accomplishments.

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And whereas the members of the class of

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1976 have made meaningful contributions

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to their families, professions,

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communities, and society, reflecting the

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values and education instilled during

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their years at William H. Crocker

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School. And whereas the bonds formed

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among classmates have withtood the test

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of time, demonstrating the lasting

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impact of education, community, and

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shared experiences.

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And whereas the 50th reunion provides an

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opportunity to honor the achievements of

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the class of 1976

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and celebrate the legacy they continue

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to leave for future generations.

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And whereas this reunion serves as a

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statement to the importance of

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preserving the history and traditions of

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William H. Crocker School while

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inspiring continued pride among its

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alumni.

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Now therefore be it resolved that the

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city council of the town of Hillsboro

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does hereby proclaim August 8th, 2026

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as William H. Crocker School class of

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1976 day in the town of Hillsboro and

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encourage all alumni, families, friends,

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and members of the community to join in recognizing the class of 1976

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for its enduring spirit and

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contributions over the past 50 years and

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to celebrate this historic union with

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pride, gratitude, and hope for many

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years of continued connection. signed by

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me, Mayor Cole, on July 13, 2026.

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Congratulations. We have some alums in

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the audience.

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I think it's just amazing um first of

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all that you guys have stayed so

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connected and I was so honored when I

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read that email that came a couple of

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months ago and um thanks to our city

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clerk Lisa Nush and the staff for

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helping me put together this

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proclamation. So, we have uh three

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Crocker alumni present tonight, Leslie

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Goldstein, Art Michael, and Jimmy Robert

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to receive this proclamation. Thank you.

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Oh, yes. They can can be Yeah.

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You're welcome.

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Congratulations again, Reed. That's

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awesome.

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See you next year.

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The next item on our agenda is the town

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updates

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and that will be presented by our by

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assistant city manager Mandy Brown.

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>> Okay, not nearly as exciting as either

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of those presentations.

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>> Um, this is a little exciting. Um, you

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may have noticed that there is a no left

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turns in the El Camino construction

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zone. causing some delays and having to

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reroute. Um there is signage posted and

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HPD is conducting enforcement. Lots of

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warnings going out. Um so just make sure

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to plan your route accordingly. Um I

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know we're all getting used to the new

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normal of the El Camino construction.

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Uh Concord Deans, thanks to everybody

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who attended and I just wanted to share

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some wonderful photos from their website

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from their 70th anniversary show. Uh, so

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showing the best of show winner and then

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the sport show winner. And I'm sure um,

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council member Krollic can add on to

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this during her comments as well.

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Back to Rethink Waste. They are doing

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another swap event. This one is back to

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school themed. So, at their offices, um,

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just trying to get gently used school

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supplies. So, if you have anything to

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donate as you're getting ready for the

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school season, um, this is a great

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event.

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And this is a new contest that I'm sure

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our resident artist extraordinaire will

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be um winning, dominating, whatever she

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does. Uh so this is a sticker design

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contest. So to design a sticker for

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Rethink Ways to Giveaway at their

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upcoming events. Um and so a new

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category uh for all of our young

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residents to submit in.

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Uh we had this um announcement more

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recently. It's also uh in full detail uh

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in the weekly newsletter as well, the uh

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bulletin. Uh just reminding folks that

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the nomination period uh begins today,

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Monday, July 13th.

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We we get getting a lot of chicken

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calls. Um just kind of questions of is

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it allowed? I hear chickens. Um so just

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a reminder that chickens are permitted

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in town. Um, but you do need to have a

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permit. Um, and there are restrictions

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on the location of the cage. Um, the

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level of noise, they need to be

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contained in the cage. Um, and so if you

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have any questions, um, Marcel

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Stevenson, our new code enforcement

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coordinator, um, would be more than

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happy to help as he is very wellversed

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in this topic, especially as of late.

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Upcoming agenda items, we're going to

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have a busy August. Um, we're beginning

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with a study session at 3 o'clock. uh

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with a more robust discussion on the

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town hall site plan and alternatives uh

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that will be discussed also later this

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evening um as well as some other uh

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subdivision grading permits um and uh

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some project or this is a tenative just

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for um giving you a preview for what we

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have uh planned so far

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and then we have our final screen with

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the emergency repair resources um as we

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get through the end of

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Thank you.

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>> Thank you,

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city manager Brown. Thank you. Um, city

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assistant city manager, no worries, dog.

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You're still good.

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Um, the next item is public comments on

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items that are not on the agenda. Um,

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city clerk, do we have any items that

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are not on the agenda?

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» Let's see. I was just going to give it a

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moment and Zoom. Um, not seeing any

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raised hands. Uh, no public comment.

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Thank you.

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>> Okay. So, no no public comment. Um, I

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will now close public comment and we'll

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move on to the announcement of conflicts

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of interest from the council. Do any

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council members have any conflicts of

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interest on items that are on the agenda

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that needs to be disclosed.

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>> Council member Kwick, I apologize. I was

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meaning to talk to you earlier today.

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Item 11 on the agenda on consent, which

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means you can remain in your seat and

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just note it for the record that you're

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recusing yourself, involves Strawberry

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Hill. And I know when the uh contract

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was originally approved, you did recuse

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yourself. So, I would just think it's

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prudent to probably continue that

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practice for now.

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>> Thank you.

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>> And that's item 11. Okay. Any um no

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conflict from the council?

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Any would any of my colleagues like to

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uh remove any items from the consent

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calendar for further discussion?

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>> Number seven, please.

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» Number seven is removed for further

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discussion. Any other items from the

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consent calendar to be removed by the

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council?

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Does anyone from the Oh, I'm sorry. Um,

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Vice Mayor Rexdale,

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>> I just have a comment on item eight. Um,

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but I don't need it to be removed.

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>> We will remove it for now. part of the

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comment. Um, let me see. No, actually,

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we'll keep it if you'll just make the

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comment and we'll approve that. But, um,

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let me ask if we have anyone from the

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public who wishes to remove any items

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from the consent calendar.

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>> Thank you. We'll give it a moment on

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Zoom.

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I'm not seeing any raised hands. Thank

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you.

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>> And, Madame Mayor, could we remove

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number 11 since I'll have to recuse

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myself for that, please? Okay.

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>> Actually, uh, Council Member Kurlic, if

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we keep it on consent, you could stay in

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your seat and then when you approve the

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consent calendar, you'll just vote yes

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on the consent except for your recusing

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from item 11.

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>> Got it. Thank you.

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>> Um, no one from the public, no public

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comment to remove any items. Okay. in

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which case um I will move forward to um

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remove item seven and um we let's start

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with a comment on item eight so we could

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include it.

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>> Uh yes, thank you. I just wanted to

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comment item number eight is a letter

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authorizing a letter for the mayor to

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sign in support of a since watered down

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law but it's something um for our um uh

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town to respond to public records act

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requests. Um, and I just wanted to get

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in everyone's um, uh, head that this is

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something that I think should be on our

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legislative platform the next time it

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comes up. Uh, I'd like it to be um,

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proposed in there as well to um, you

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know, a broader protection for the work

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that our um, staff has to do to respond

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to these requests. And my understanding

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on that item is that it's making a

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switch to um business days as opposed to

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five days. Correct. Five business days.

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Is that the specific um distinction?

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>> Business days instead of calendar days

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>> instead of calendar days.

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>> Correct. Okay. So, you're asking that we

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should think about potentially adding it

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to uh

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>> I think I think we should should talk

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about when we get to the legislative

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platform just have something in there

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that um a little broader just while

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recognizing the importance of the first

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amendment and the openness of government

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to whatever can be done that the city

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clerk association supports we should

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support because it is a lot of work for

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um all towns.

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>> Okay. It does not change um item eight

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just the comments for for the future.

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Okay. Thank you.

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>> Yes. Thank you. In which case we will

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proceed with um we'll get a motion to

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approve items 1 2

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3 4 5 6 8 9 10

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11 12 13 and remove item seven.

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Do we have a second for the motion?

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Second.

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>> Okay. Thanks. Okay. Motion by Council

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Member Schwang, seconded by Council

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Member Adams. And um city clerk, may we

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have the votes, please?

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>> Thank you. Adams,

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>> yes. Schwang Crowig,

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>> yes. But I recuse myself for item number

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11.

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>> Thank you. Ragsdale,

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>> yes.

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>> Cole,

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>> yes.

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>> Thank you.

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>> The consent calendar is approved. 50.

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Um, with the recusal of council member

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Crowley of for item 11. All right, we'll

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go back to item seven that was removed

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by council member Krik. Would you like

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to start your comments?

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>> Yes. Um, so this is the city council

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handbook and thank you so much to Lisa

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and Mandy for all their hard work on it.

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And I know us and I know that we could

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worry each one of these things to death.

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So I'll try and just make this really

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brief and clean. So, um, and I emailed,

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uh, Mandy earlier. So, on, um,

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item 7.4B,

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it's the process of, um, after public

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comment and then it's the time for the

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council members to express their

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thoughts on the issue and engage in

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discussion. Um, the first, it does say

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that that, uh, the matters return to the

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city council for deliberation. I suggest

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that that be a bullet point because the

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first bullet point is the council

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members can ask questions and you sort

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of overlook the discussion part. Does

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that make sense? Um that's a suggestion.

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>> I'm sorry. Item four.

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>> Could you repeat that? I'm so sorry.

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>> 7.4B.

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So 7.4.

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So this is when the items come back to

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the council for discussion and

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deliberation. I think it's a really

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important point that we don't deliberate

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or opine or share our thoughts until

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after public comment. Um, just look

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because the bullet point is that we can

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ask questions. It seems to me as

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important a bullet point as asking

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questions is that now is the time for us

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to share our thoughts or deliberate.

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Does that make sense?

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>> Yes. Are you suggesting an amendment um

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to ask questions and deliberation?

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>> Yeah. that we make a bullet point of the

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deliberation sharing thoughts. It's time

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for uh what does it say? Let me see. Um

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>> it says city council deliberation

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>> matters return to the city council for

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deliberation. I think that should be a

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bullet point and then they can ask

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questions like that the process is that

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we deliberate and ask questions. We

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don't just ask questions. I know that's

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the pickiest of all of my suggestions.

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So typically we start with questions for

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clarification and then we do

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deliberation. So should we just flip

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that from A to B?

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>> We have the question part before public

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comment and now this is back to the

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council for deliberation. So it's to me

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it's more important that this is the

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deliberation part of the process. It's

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not actually the we can ask questions

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again but this is when we deliberate.

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This is when we can share our thoughts

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and opinions and deliberate. Um, it is

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also appropriate to ask more questions

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when he comes back the second time. Is

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that correct, city attorney?

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» Are you following our thinking up here?

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>> Yeah, mayor. I'm just wondering if um

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because we do have the questions portion

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at 7.2B.

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Um, and then under 7.4, maybe 7.4B

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could say the city council may ask

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further questions.

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that.

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>> Yep. That would be great.

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>> Thanks for your editing. Appreciate

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that.

548
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,360
>> No, le I can always pass this ball to

549
00:26:59,360 --> 00:27:00,799
Leslie. She'll like it.

550
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,320
>> So, should we also switch to item B to

551
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,760
item A? In other words, first the city

552
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,600
council may ask further question and the

553
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,679
next bullet point should be the city

554
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:12,720
council may then deliberate. Okay. Yes.

555
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,440
Um, council member Adams. So, wouldn't

556
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080
it be easier to just combine asking

557
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,360
questions and deliberate because you

558
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:22,799
don't know if you're going to be asking

559
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:24,400
a question or it's part of the

560
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,840
deliberation. So, if we put it in one

561
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000
bullet point, then that's what we're

562
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,480
doing. We're uh the matter is returned

563
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,159
to the city council for further

564
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,720
questions and deliberation

565
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,000
and it's just done.

566
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,240
>> Does that amendment and edit work for

567
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,039
you? Um

568
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,520
>> yeah that's I just you know if you're a

569
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,960
new council member you're looking it

570
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,799
sort of looks like oh now I answer more

571
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:50,400
I asked more questions I just want to

572
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,200
make sure that what we are communicating

573
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,159
to new council members is the process is

574
00:27:56,159 --> 00:27:59,200
presentation questions public comment

575
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,039
sharing thoughts and opinions that

576
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:02,080
that's the

577
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,679
>> and the sharing of thoughts and opinions

578
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:05,279
include more questions

579
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,039
>> exactly more questions of course

580
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,080
>> okay um I support um council member

581
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,200
Adams um minor amendment to That does is

582
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,080
that do we have um is do we have

583
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:17,840
unanimous support from the council to

584
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,960
make that edit that amendment

585
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,240
>> just through the mayor to get

586
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,440
clarification. So that would be

587
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,360
combining A and B. Yes.

588
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,440
>> Which I'm happy with. I would add the

589
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,600
word further and and just make sure to

590
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,600
keep the word may. So

591
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:32,080
>> correct.

592
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,679
>> Yes. Thank you.

593
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:36,480
>> Um does is the staff following what

594
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,520
we're talking about over here?

595
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,000
>> Yeah. I think. Yes.

596
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,360
>> Okay. Okay. And then my next comment was

597
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,120
at 9.1.

598
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,880
The handbook states that the mayor

599
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,880
appoints to commissions, but I think our

600
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,399
process has been that the appointments

601
00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:53,760
then go to the council for a

602
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,240
confirmation vote. And Mandy said that

603
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,600
this was correct. This could be

604
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,399
clarified in the initial sentence. So,

605
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:02,480
do you have a a recommendation for that,

606
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,269
Mandy? The clarification.

607
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,159
Um, we can just add that at the regular

608
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:12,640
meeting a council will the council will

609
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,480
affirm with a vote the selections from

610
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,480
the mayor. We I mean we can come back

611
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,440
with language unless you want us to word

612
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,679
smith it now. But I I understand the

613
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:23,600
intent of just clarifying that the full

614
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,440
council makes the the ultimate decision.

615
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,320
>> Thank you. the the mayor shall appoint

616
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,760
the uh members to various committees and

617
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,840
boards and the full council shall

618
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,919
approve that appointment. Correct? Is

619
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:43,520
that the intent of this conversation?

620
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,520
>> Yeah, I'll say as affirmed by the full

621
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:46,799
council at the regular meeting in

622
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:48,320
December or January. So, I'll move that

623
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,840
to the end of the sentence and we'll

624
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,279
make sure that it's clear that it's a

625
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:52,640
full council action.

626
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:53,919
>> Okay. So, that's just edited.

627
00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:56,720
>> January January. January. Yeah.

628
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,080
>> All right. And uh 9.3 this is my next to

629
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080
last. The so the appointment process for

630
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,600
the subcommittees seems to be a little

631
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:05,760
vague and I think that what we have been

632
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,520
doing is that the mayor or another

633
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,600
council member when we talk about

634
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760
subcommittees proposes a member or

635
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,360
members to serve and then the council

636
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,269
either virt.

637
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,600
So it's just it's just vague. I just

638
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,440
thought we should clarify um

639
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,799
our appointment process for

640
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,360
subcommittees.

641
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360
So perhaps just adding a sentence

642
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,120
indicating that it's approved by the

643
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,799
full council at a at a regular meeting

644
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:34,960
or at a council meeting.

645
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,320
>> Correct. Which we have done um right

646
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:39,440
making it.

647
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:40,559
>> Yes. To codify it.

648
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:42,399
>> Gotcha.

649
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:46,000
>> Um and then the final thing that I'm

650
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,679
just puzzled on and maybe Christopher

651
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:52,159
can clarify. So 11.3 says that we can

652
00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:54,640
speak as an individual and we can write

653
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,799
a letter I guess or an email and send it

654
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,279
to the full council. It just makes it

655
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:00,960
sound as if any council member could

656
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,640
write a letter to the council expressing

657
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960
their opinion on an issue that will come

658
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,840
before the council and that seems uh

659
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,159
antitheical to what you have tried to

660
00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:13,039
drum into our little brains that we when

661
00:31:13,039 --> 00:31:15,520
all possible not take a stand on an

662
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,080
issue. So, I just I mean, if I write to

663
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,919
everybody and say, "Hey, I just want you

664
00:31:19,919 --> 00:31:21,440
to know that I'm really against gas

665
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,440
powered leaf blowers, then can I get up

666
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,919
here on the deis and vote?"

667
00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:27,200
I just didn't understand that.

668
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:28,799
>> Yeah. No, it's a great question. Uh,

669
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,799
council member Kwick, in looking at it,

670
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:32,399
I think the way it reads is that

671
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:34,159
basically, yes, you as individual

672
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:35,600
council members, you've earned your

673
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,679
title as a council member at the ballot

674
00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:40,399
box. Uh, you always have the right as an

675
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:42,559
individual to state your position or

676
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,120
opinion on something. Um, what this is

677
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,960
really getting at is that if the council

678
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960
hasn't taken up the issue yet, but you

679
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,480
have a strong position on a certain

680
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,799
topic that yes, you can take a position

681
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:54,240
as long as you're making it clear to the

682
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,080
public that the council hasn't taken up

683
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,760
the issue, it's really my position, not

684
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,080
the council's position. But to your main

685
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,159
question, um, you are totally correct

686
00:32:02,159 --> 00:32:04,240
that in the and it's only in the land

687
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,559
use context. So when due process kicks

688
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,200
in, and I teach this in ethics, due

689
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,720
process kicks in where there's a life,

690
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,000
liberty, or property interest.

691
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,679
Obviously, what's before you is not life

692
00:32:13,679 --> 00:32:15,600
or liberty. It's property. And so, it's

693
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,679
land use decisions. And so, everyone who

694
00:32:17,679 --> 00:32:19,360
owns property has a right to due

695
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,039
process, which basically means that they

696
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,519
have a right to uh impartial decision

697
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,279
makers up until the time that you've

698
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,039
heard all of the evidence and gathered

699
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,799
all of the information until that close

700
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,320
of the public hearing, then you could

701
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,480
take a position on a land use issue. So,

702
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080
I think this language and we can make it

703
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,320
a little clearer that yes, you always

704
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:37,840
can take a position on an issue, but

705
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,919
when it's a land use issue, don't until

706
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:41,840
the close of the public hearing because

707
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,840
you you need to legally um because of

708
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,679
due process. But every other type of

709
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,760
issue, not land use related, you could

710
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,840
take positions on. I will say that some

711
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,679
council members hesitate even doing

712
00:32:51,679 --> 00:32:54,000
that, but totally at your discretion

713
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,440
because they think if I haven't heard

714
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,720
from the public, should I really be

715
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,159
taking a position on the issue until

716
00:32:58,159 --> 00:32:59,679
council takes it up and we hear, you

717
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:01,279
know, community members come and give

718
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,760
public comment. Um, but council members,

719
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,159
if it's a non-land use issue, can always

720
00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:08,399
take individual positions,

721
00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,240
>> I think. So, I tried to read this as

722
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,559
somebody who was just newly elected or,

723
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,559
you know, and so I think if that could

724
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,159
be clarified, well, that would help us

725
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:17,840
who are already elected too, I think.

726
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,200
Yeah, we can add something here that

727
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,640
just says yes, you're always allowed to

728
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,240
take an individual position. Make it

729
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,760
clear that you're not taking a position

730
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,799
of the council. Um but but exception

731
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,320
land use context, you're going to want

732
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,480
to avoid that until uh the actual public

733
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,960
hearing in the chambers. And I can we

734
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,000
can make that clear.

735
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,000
>> This is something that needs further

736
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,080
clarification. We also have Vice Mayor

737
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,440
Rexdale have some question.

738
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,960
>> Uh yes, I didn't read this as writing

739
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,519
letters to each other. I read this as

740
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,600
like a letter to the editor or a letter

741
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,159
in support of an assembly bill or

742
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:53,840
national bill where we are allowed to

743
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,799
represent ourselves.

744
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:55,760
>> That makes much more sense.

745
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,840
>> Yes. I didn't because Yeah. writing to

746
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,240
each other is a whole a whole another

747
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,200
thing. Yeah.

748
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,480
>> Yeah. and we wouldn't do

749
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,919
>> and and for further clarification, there

750
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:07,600
was an issue and still ongoing um in our

751
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,839
community and it did somewhat involve

752
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:14,000
some land use issue um where the um

753
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,760
board of supervisors were discussing

754
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,960
this. I spoke as a physician, not as a

755
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,560
council member or mayor and I made that

756
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,960
very clear in the record and that is

757
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,359
understood. You can as an individual

758
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:28,159
outside of your role as a council member

759
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,159
to opine on that. Correct.

760
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,240
>> Correct. Do you always uh maintain your

761
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:33,839
individual rights regardless of your

762
00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:35,440
council member status? So yeah, if you

763
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,960
wanted to just use your professional

764
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,800
title can do that.

765
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,919
>> Okay, just for clarification. Okay, so

766
00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:43,839
um maybe we can just tighten the

767
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:46,240
language here to be clear. We're not

768
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:47,919
recommending communication with each

769
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,760
other as council members, which we're

770
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,200
not allowed to do because of the Brown

771
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,760
Act.

772
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,200
>> And then we'll also add something in

773
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,960
here about due process as well. But yes,

774
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,879
to your point, yes, this is really about

775
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:58,720
speaking to the community, not to each

776
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:59,359
other.

777
00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:01,920
>> Correct. Okay.

778
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,920
>> Yes. Um, council member Trunk. Um so uh

779
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,560
bringing back to 9.3 about the standing

780
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,119
subcommittees and ad hoc subcommittees

781
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,400
uh is it appropriate in this paragraph

782
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,800
to be able to add on to the time

783
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,440
timeline and the reason I ask is that

784
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,680
oftentimes when you have a subcommittees

785
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:25,200
or ad hoc um depends on the the type of

786
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,040
the meetings uh it can conceivably go on

787
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,200
for a couple months or two a six month

788
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,680
or so or maybe longer depends on the

789
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,520
type of a project and what I have seen

790
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,480
over the years is that um there's no

791
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,560
reporting back. So is there is there a a

792
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,960
way that we can incorporate in that and

793
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,880
to see what is appropriate to to have a

794
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,240
timely update of some sort to the full

795
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,320
council or to the public at the public

796
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,030
meetings?

797
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,320
In other words, is there a legal

798
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,280
requirement as to how often to report to

799
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,880
the full council?

800
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,480
>> Yeah, I'd say for subcommittees, there's

801
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,720
no legal requirement to report back, but

802
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,240
keep in mind, subcommittees don't have

803
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,160
any indep independent authority outside

804
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,520
of the council. So, you might need to

805
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,520
come back to the council to report back

806
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,599
and get some direction. Um, but if the

807
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:21,040
council wanted to include something here

808
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,520
that gave a timeline, a general timeline

809
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,359
as to when uh reporting back should

810
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,040
happen to the council, that would be at

811
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,040
the council's discretion. I would like

812
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,079
to hear um thoughts from uh my council,

813
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,000
vice mayor. Um yeah, I

814
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,720
>> I like the idea of uh just using maybe

815
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,520
um and we'll give periodic updates at um

816
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,960
to the rest of the council on public

817
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,480
meetings, something like that,

818
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,040
>> right? I mean, for all it takes is that

819
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,320
it could be just informing the public

820
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,720
and the rest of the council that they're

821
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,640
meeting, they're making progress,

822
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,359
they're giving the directions to the

823
00:36:55,359 --> 00:36:57,359
staff, right? and then is going to come

824
00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:00,079
back at certain times for updates or

825
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,720
reports. But I think that that is going

826
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,200
to help us sort of frame it in some way.

827
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,760
Oftentimes it depends on the dynamic or

828
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,240
it depends on the nature of the project

829
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:12,480
that it could take longer but it's also

830
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,079
good for the public and also for the

831
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,800
coun the remaining council to understand

832
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,720
that there are challenges or what not.

833
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:21,040
So it just in that vein that I think

834
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,000
that it would be really uh for clarity

835
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,320
everyone is on the same page about the

836
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:26,720
timeline.

837
00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:27,839
>> So do you have any specific

838
00:37:27,839 --> 00:37:30,079
recommendations or amendment to that

839
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,880
paragraph? Should we put a time once a

840
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,520
year update or just keep it

841
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,680
>> I think Leslie put it

842
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,280
>> just periodic updates. Yes.

843
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:40,880
>> Okay. Yeah.

844
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,280
>> There's agreement on that. So that's

845
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,599
just an editing issue. It's not a real

846
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,119
amendment. It's just clarification of

847
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:50,480
what's written down. Correct.

848
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,400
>> Okay.

849
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,320
>> I have go ahead

850
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,000
>> as to not handcuff the council there

851
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,160
too. The the periodic updates could be

852
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,920
put in there and at the formation of the

853
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,599
committee you could also give direction

854
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,359
as to what the timelines might be

855
00:38:03,359 --> 00:38:04,480
because it might be different for

856
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:05,920
different committees depending on what

857
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,680
type of project it is. And you could

858
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,240
also state at that time too that that

859
00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:12,320
update may come from staff, it may come

860
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,920
from a consultant or it may come from

861
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,440
the subcommittee itself just to give

862
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,160
yourself some leeway.

863
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,359
I think that the periodic updates

864
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:24,240
covers it.

865
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,520
>> Okay. Um yes. Um Council Member Adams,

866
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:27,920
you have

867
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,400
>> Thank you, Madame Mayor. This was also

868
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,359
an item that I wanted to pull. I have

869
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:36,240
three issues I'd like to ask my

870
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,960
colleagues to address. Uh the first one

871
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,839
is uh a bugaboo of mine. And I have a

872
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:44,400
wonderful book called using common

873
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,680
English in legal

874
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,480
documents and I'm happy to share it with

875
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,720
anyone. Uh if you look at 8.3

876
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,200
voice votes

877
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,320
uh in a roll call vote uh if a roll call

878
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,960
vote is not requested or required votes

879
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,599
shall be by vo voice a eyes naz or

880
00:39:07,599 --> 00:39:11,839
abstain. And we have then over in 8.9

881
00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:14,880
where we talk about the answer is yes. I

882
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,359
would like us to force sooth to wit uh

883
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:22,560
change to modern English and just say

884
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,160
yes, no or abstain. It's a picky point.

885
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,560
But the more we are using common

886
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,119
language, the more we're inviting our

887
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,440
constituents to believe that we want to

888
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,119
communicate with them uh in ways that

889
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,280
they communicate with one another. So

890
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,760
I'd like you to consider just changing

891
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,920
that at point 8.3.

892
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,599
>> Changing 8.3 to yes, no, or abstain.

893
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:50,000
>> Yes.

894
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,920
>> What if we did I slash yes, nayno, or

895
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,640
abstain? Just so if somebody does say I

896
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,599
or nay, they're not out of compliance.

897
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:00,800
>> I don't think they'd be out of

898
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,280
compliance, but I think we don't want to

899
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,880
encourage eyes's and nays. So I say nay

900
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,000
to that. That's just my joke for the

901
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,440
moment, but that's just my opinion. Um I support that opinion. I think it's uh

902
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:16,880
recommendation to move to modern

903
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,359
English. Sounds makes sense.

904
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:21,200
>> Yes. Um, Vice Mayor Rex,

905
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,000
>> I'm I'm fine either way, but I would be

906
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,000
concerned because we all do so many

907
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,800
meetings that as long as Christopher

908
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,880
says it's okay that if someone says I

909
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,599
that counts as yes, um then I'm okay

910
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,040
with changing it. But I just think

911
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,960
sometimes we we fall back into um uh

912
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,720
what what we've been doing for years or

913
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,400
what we do in other in other meetings

914
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,599
because sometimes you're in another

915
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:44,800
meeting, you don't want to be the only

916
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,320
person saying yes when everyone else

917
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,640
says I. So, um, just making sure that if

918
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800
we do that change, which I'm in favor

919
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,680
of, if someone says I or nay, that

920
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,200
legally counts as yes or no.

921
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:58,720
>> Yeah, I would take the position we all

922
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:00,880
know what yes and no means. And yes, if

923
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,560
somebody challenged us because somebody

924
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,680
said I versus nay, uh, I will take that

925
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,520
challenge and argue that to a judge.

926
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,160
>> Uh, thank you for understanding that.

927
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,480
>> Well, these Yeah,

928
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,319
>> I think the intent I'm sorry, go ahead.

929
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:17,440
Have you had more comments?

930
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:22,000
>> Yes. The next one is 8.1 right of floor.

931
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,119
And this has been confusing as a new

932
00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,640
person. I have uh gotten my copy of

933
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,440
Robert's rules of order and I have

934
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,480
searched for through the mayor. I have

935
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,119
had uh former mayors, not the one I'm

936
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,760
married to, tell me there is no through

937
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,560
the mayor. I've been in other meetings

938
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,560
where people are making their name plate

939
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,079
stand up to gain recognition. I would

940
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:54,079
like for us to think about our process.

941
00:41:54,079 --> 00:41:57,280
What do we really want to do uh in terms

942
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,880
of it's clear any council member

943
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,960
desiring to speak shall first be

944
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,920
recognized by the mayor and shall with

945
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,839
the exception of responding to public

946
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:10,240
comments confine any remarks to the

947
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,560
subject under consideration. That's

948
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,000
perfect. It's just I don't know how we

949
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,760
really want to do it. Do we want to say

950
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,440
through the mayor every time we want

951
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,839
your attention? Um my personal

952
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:24,960
experience is yes because often I don't

953
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,599
always hear my colleagues as sitting at

954
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:29,839
the very extreme of the deis and by

955
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:32,880
hearing the voice you could say may I

956
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,319
speak

957
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,480
>> um but I think recognizing using a

958
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,480
verbal communication is always very

959
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,560
helpful. I often will see um the vice

960
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,200
mayor to my left or my colleague to my

961
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,319
right, council member Crowley, if they

962
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,720
make a notation to me that they have a

963
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,560
comment or a question, but I don't

964
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,640
always see at the very far end. And

965
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,680
especially if I'm not wearing my

966
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,839
glasses, I really don't see them. So, I

967
00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:58,960
don't want to make it look like I'm

968
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,119
ignoring you trying to make a comments.

969
00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:02,800
So, I think having a procedure that's

970
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,119
just rather formal through the mayor is

971
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:08,000
verbal. It's um it can be heard. It

972
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,240
makes me rearrange the order of who goes

973
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,079
next. I do think there should be a

974
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,480
formal verbal communication that is

975
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,400
consistent. Um because any other signal

976
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,760
may be missed and be deemed as me or any

977
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,200
mayor ignoring your efforts to speak.

978
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,760
>> As long as we have a formal way of doing

979
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,640
it that we all agree on, I'm fine with

980
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,520
it.

981
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:32,720
>> The important thing is just to be

982
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:34,640
recognized by the mayor or the chair so

983
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,760
not everybody's talking like I just did.

984
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,599
No, no.

985
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,280
>> Um, so I don't

986
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,560
>> There's one more.

987
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,760
>> Okay. Yes, absolutely.

988
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,280
>> As a new council member, there's

989
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,280
something that uh wasn't intuitive, but

990
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,359
seems really clear to me that I think

991
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:53,920
should be included in some way in the

992
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,200
handbook, and that is a

993
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,160
uh calendarization of the seasons of the

994
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,119
things that we do things. For example,

995
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:06,160
coming new to the council, I didn't know

996
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,200
what months we do the goals. I didn't

997
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,839
know what months the budget is reviewed

998
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:15,280
for the first time. I didn't know uh

999
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,640
when we give recognition to our

1000
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,440
volunteers. I didn't know. It's sort of

1001
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,000
like Christmas and Easter things that

1002
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,040
happen every year. I would just like to

1003
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:30,000
have those as a preview of when you're

1004
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,960
prepared for the things that happen

1005
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,480
every year. And it may not be that it

1006
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,480
goes in the handbook, but I think it

1007
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,040
needs to be something that's distributed

1008
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:46,550
about how the council functions.

1009
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,960
» Um that thank you for those comments. Um

1010
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,960
that sounds like something perhaps our

1011
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,240
staff could help us like a side um guide

1012
00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:56,160
in terms of the schedule or the calendar

1013
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,480
for the year. Understanding

1014
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160
certain emergencies may change the

1015
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,960
schedule but at least on a yearly basis

1016
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,359
just distributing that to the entire

1017
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:07,280
council so we're all on the same page in

1018
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,400
terms of the calendar.

1019
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,000
>> Yeah. Whether that be in the handbook or

1020
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,680
some type of handout that we do that

1021
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,599
might be something we look at even each

1022
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:15,040
year just to keep it on track. But there

1023
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,040
are yearly things that we do on a pretty

1024
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,480
regular schedule that we could include.

1025
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,400
>> Yeah. Thanks. And and Vice Mayor Ragdale

1026
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,440
has a comment. Yes.

1027
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,319
>> Um I I love that idea because I remember

1028
00:45:24,319 --> 00:45:26,079
being a little caught off guard that

1029
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:27,520
certain things that happened and I had

1030
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,599
been watching the meetings um for years.

1031
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,960
So um and also maybe something that we

1032
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,000
could hand to candidates. So um they

1033
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,319
have that in mind as well, especially

1034
00:45:38,319 --> 00:45:41,119
like February goal setting because um

1035
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:43,119
that's not on a normal council day

1036
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:46,480
sometimes. Um and then um and the budget

1037
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,880
that's sometimes different but uh it's

1038
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,200
very early day so that would be helpful

1039
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,960
to candidates I would think.

1040
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,119
>> Yes. Um council I agree that that would

1041
00:45:57,119 --> 00:45:59,680
be a good one sheet addendum to this uh

1042
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,839
handbook.

1043
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:03,760
>> Um any additional Yes.

1044
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,440
>> No. Thank you very much.

1045
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,640
>> Yes. And um so thank you very much

1046
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,240
council member Krollic for taking this

1047
00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,720
item out. Obviously, we had a lot of

1048
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:15,680
tweaking to do and clarification. It was

1049
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,400
um well selected item to remove from the

1050
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:22,240
consent calendar and we'll um

1051
00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,079
should we just bring this back after all

1052
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,240
those modifications

1053
00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:28,480
next month rather than voting on these

1054
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,319
are technical and

1055
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:32,319
>> I think I think we have what we need. I

1056
00:46:32,319 --> 00:46:33,839
mean, if council's comfortable with it,

1057
00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:36,319
we have what we need for the specific

1058
00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:38,319
adjustments to the sections that we

1059
00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:41,119
discussed. Um, and in terms of the

1060
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,520
calendar, um, City Manager Davis, if

1061
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,680
you're if you're okay with it, and if

1062
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,200
council's okay with it, I think we can

1063
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,960
put something together that's a separate

1064
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,760
calendar. We have something started that we can circulate. Okay. Separate

1065
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:55,040
document. That way, there's a little bit

1066
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,599
of flexibility there for it to just be

1067
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,440
its own separate document.

1068
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,800
>> Okay. And that will be outside of the

1069
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,880
handbook, obviously. Okay. In which

1070
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,400
case, um, do we have a motion then to,

1071
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,599
um, approve item seven, resolution

1072
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:11,280
approving the town of Hillsboro City

1073
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,960
Council handbook?

1074
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,920
>> So moved as amended.

1075
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,240
>> Do we have a second to the motion?

1076
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,079
>> Second.

1077
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,520
>> Could we please take a roll call?

1078
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,680
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Adams,

1079
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:26,960
>> yes. Schwang,

1080
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,680
>> yes.

1081
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,480
>> Kurig,

1082
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:28,960
>> yes.

1083
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,079
>> Ragdale,

1084
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:31,440
>> yes. call.

1085
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,560
>> Yes. Item seven is approved. 5-0.

1086
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:35,200
>> Thank you.

1087
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,349
>> Okay. Um

1088
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,040
I believe that covers everything on this

1089
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,599
on the consent calendar. We will now

1090
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,240
move to the next item on the agenda

1091
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:48,079
which is a public hearing resolution

1092
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,079
authorizing placement of sewer service

1093
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:52,319
and storm drainage charges, special tax,

1094
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:54,720
police protection and fire protection

1095
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,720
and prevention and the flat charge

1096
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,200
component of the garbage collection fee

1097
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,400
for fiscal year 2026 2027 county tax

1098
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:05,200
role and that will be presented by our

1099
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,880
assistant finance director Rich

1100
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,720
Santiago.

1101
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:10,560
>> Thank you. Uh good evening, Mayor Cole

1102
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,960
and council. Yes, as Mayor Cole

1103
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,319
mentioned, uh tonight we're bringing

1104
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,400
forward the resolution authorizing the

1105
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,280
placement of the special charges, taxes,

1106
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,119
and fees on the county tax role for

1107
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,440
fiscal year 2627.

1108
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,359
And as she mentioned, those are the

1109
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:28,160
sewer service and storm drain charges,

1110
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,400
the special tax for police and fire

1111
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,160
prevention and protection, and then the

1112
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,839
flat garbage collection fee.

1113
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:37,680
And these are the charges, taxes, and

1114
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:39,760
fees uh for the upcoming year. As

1115
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,839
approved in the May council meeting, uh

1116
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:43,760
the annual residential sewer service

1117
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:48,710
charge will be $4,386.88.

1118
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,319
As you recall, this was recently

1119
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:52,559
approved through the 218 process. So,

1120
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,720
this is year one of the 5-year rate

1121
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:57,520
series. Uh the annual storm drain charge

1122
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,680
is $7.34.

1123
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,160
It's been the same since um the initial

1124
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,000
implementation in 1994 assessing 4,13

1125
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,160
parcels. The uh annual safety tax that's

1126
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,440
also approved on annual resolution um

1127
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,440
that was when in May it's estimated to

1128
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,599
about 2.25

1129
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,000
million towards partial funding of

1130
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,640
public safety operations. And then

1131
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,800
finally the flat garbage collection fee

1132
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,200
shows an increase. Again, there was a

1133
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,240
2025 rate study and that annual amount

1134
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:36,230
is $42.24.

1135
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,400
And so our recommendation is to open the

1136
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,559
public hearing, receive comments, close

1137
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,319
the public hearing, and then adopt the

1138
00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:44,480
resolution authorizing the placement of

1139
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,880
sewer service and storm drain charges,

1140
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,800
special tax for police protection and

1141
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,520
prevention and protection,

1142
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,599
and the flat charge component of the

1143
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:56,480
garbage collection fee for 2627 to put

1144
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,400
on the county tax role and authorize the

1145
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,800
county tax collector to collect such

1146
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,319
charges. And with that, I'll take any

1147
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:04,000
questions you have.

1148
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,960
Thank you, Mr. Santgo. Um,

1149
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,119
do we um have any questions from the

1150
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,680
council with regards to um the

1151
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:17,910
presentation? Any clarifying questions?

1152
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,160
I would like to open public comments.

1153
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:24,319
Seeing none from the council, any um

1154
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:26,640
public comments on this item?

1155
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,880
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. I have no I'll

1156
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,000
give well actually I'll give it a moment

1157
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,079
and I don't see any raised hands on

1158
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,079
Zoom. Thank you.

1159
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,760
>> Bring it back to the council. Any

1160
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,190
additional questions or discussion?

1161
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,559
» No further discussion on this item.

1162
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:47,920
Is there a motion to adopt the

1163
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,160
resolution authorizing placement of

1164
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:52,079
sewer service and storm drain charges,

1165
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:53,599
special tax for police protection and

1166
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:56,079
fire protection and prevention and the

1167
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,240
flat charge component of the garbage

1168
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:00,960
collection fee on fiscal year 2627

1169
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,800
county tax role?

1170
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,000
>> So move.

1171
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,480
>> Do we have a second?

1172
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,480
>> Second.

1173
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,880
>> Um moved by council member Trang,

1174
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,280
seconded by council member Kwick. Um may

1175
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,000
we have a roll call, please? Thank you.

1176
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Adams,

1177
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,359
>> yes.

1178
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:18,000
>> Schwang,

1179
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:18,400
>> yes.

1180
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,040
>> Crow,

1181
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:19,440
>> yes.

1182
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,240
>> Braggsdale,

1183
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:20,720
>> yes.

1184
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:21,680
>> Cole,

1185
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,280
>> yes. The motion passes 5. Thank you, Mr.

1186
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,160
Sant.

1187
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,400
>> Next item.

1188
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,670
15.

1189
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:42,079
Yes. 16. Sorry.

1190
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,800
15. Yes. The next item is introduction

1191
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,400
of an ordinance amending section

1192
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,430
17.32.030

1193
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,359
of the Hillsboro Municipal Code to

1194
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,040
reduce the minimum dwelling size

1195
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,400
requirements and eliminate the

1196
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,240
recordation requirements for limited

1197
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:58,880
remaining floor area and that will be

1198
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,520
presented by L Roy. Hello Ree.

1199
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:02,960
>> Good evening madame mayor, fellow

1200
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:04,720
council.

1201
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:10,319
Um this is a pretty um

1202
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:13,359
minor change to a small section of our

1203
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:16,480
zoning ordinance. Uh previously I've

1204
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,680
spoken to the council about the concept

1205
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,079
of eliminating the minimum dwelling size

1206
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:25,280
from our municipal code for consistency

1207
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,359
with one of our programs that was

1208
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:28,880
outlined in our certified housing

1209
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,240
element. The proposal before you tonight

1210
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,960
includes um two changes to this

1211
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,760
ordinance. The first is to reduce that

1212
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,200
minimum dwelling size um for the primary

1213
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,839
single family dwelling from 2500 square

1214
00:52:43,839 --> 00:52:46,720
ft to a,000 square ft. And the second

1215
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,440
change is to eliminate the requirement

1216
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,480
to record a notice when 500 square feet

1217
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,520
or less um of available floor area

1218
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,280
remains. Uh the proposed amendments

1219
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:00,880
modernize

1220
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,319
uh the section 1732030

1221
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:06,240
while still preserving the town's

1222
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:09,680
established floor area regulations. It

1223
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,079
still implements um the town's housing

1224
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:14,880
element commitments while reducing that

1225
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,920
size and not entirely eliminating it.

1226
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,680
There are three components to this

1227
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,000
section of the municipal code. The third

1228
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,040
section we propose no change. Um for

1229
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,440
that we propose to maintain the existing

1230
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,440
floor area ratio standards

1231
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,599
for the minimum dwelling size. The

1232
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:36,000
current clo code requires a minimum of

1233
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,839
2500 square ft for a primary single

1234
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:42,079
family dwelling. And as I mentioned as

1235
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,599
part of our housing element, we

1236
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:46,800
committed to eliminating this. Um, in

1237
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,559
previous discussions with the council,

1238
00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:50,240
we talked about perhaps rather than

1239
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,400
eliminating it, setting a reasonable

1240
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,240
minimum that reduces um the 2500 square

1241
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,480
feet requirement to something that is

1242
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,359
more consistent with what HCD would like

1243
00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:06,000
to see. So the 1,00 square foot

1244
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,800
threshold is a wellestablished threshold

1245
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,040
in California housing law. The state law

1246
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,119
requires that we ministerial

1247
00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:15,920
ministerially approve detached ADUs up

1248
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,960
to a thousand square feet. And so staff

1249
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,640
determined that using that same

1250
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,240
threshold for a primary dwelling was um

1251
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:27,280
a logical objective and easily

1252
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,200
understandable standard while

1253
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,440
eliminating that 2500 square foot

1254
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,280
requirement that was identified as a

1255
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,200
constraint in our housing element.

1256
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,240
for the recording um requirement. I

1257
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:42,640
spoke to the council about this I think

1258
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,000
two months ago as it relates to our ADU

1259
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,920
recording requirement. This is similar

1260
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,720
but different. Um our code currently

1261
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:54,079
requires that property owners record a

1262
00:54:54,079 --> 00:54:57,040
deed restriction when 500 square I'm not

1263
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:58,640
a deed restriction record a document

1264
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,839
when 500 square feet or less remains for

1265
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,960
their allowable floor area. The notice

1266
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,200
was intended to provide information

1267
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:08,960
regarding a property's development

1268
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,680
potential. Um but since this requirement

1269
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,240
was added to our municipal code, so many

1270
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:18,720
changes have come through state law and

1271
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:21,200
um staff feels pretty strongly that

1272
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,559
having this recorded notice which is

1273
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,640
static once it's recorded it's there um

1274
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,520
creates a situation that isn't dynamic

1275
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,480
like the changes to state law are. And

1276
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,319
because state law is changing so

1277
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:38,079
frequently, you know, related to ADUs

1278
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,640
and SB9 and other housing legislation,

1279
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,359
that 500 square feet becomes a bit

1280
00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:48,960
arbitrary. Um, and those notices can

1281
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,960
become outdated really quickly and can

1282
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,000
be confusing for property owners. Um,

1283
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,440
meanwhile, the town reviews a property's

1284
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,480
allowable F anytime an applicant makes a

1285
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,559
request to staff or anytime an architect

1286
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:05,040
is exploring a potential project. So, we

1287
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:06,880
feel that that same information can be

1288
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,359
provided in a much more dynamic way by

1289
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:12,160
working with staff um and communicating

1290
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,079
about the applicable standards and state

1291
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:15,839
laws that are in place at that time

1292
00:56:15,839 --> 00:56:17,839
rather than an applicant being confused

1293
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:22,000
by a recording document that was um made

1294
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,839
up at a specific point in time. Um so

1295
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,160
the proposed ordinance eliminates that

1296
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,160
recordreditdation requirement which

1297
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,920
would reduce the administrative burden

1298
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,480
and also the burden on the applicant um

1299
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,040
but still entirely maintains the town's

1300
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,839
full authority to review and enforce the

1301
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:42,000
applicable zoning standards. And we do

1302
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,760
feel strongly that it it makes a more

1303
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,559
user friendly process for a potential

1304
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,559
property owner or for a property owner

1305
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:53,190
to understand the development potential.

1306
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,280
Um, as I mentioned, there are no changes

1307
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,839
proposed to the town's F standards. The

1308
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:00,880
ordinance retains the existing maximum F

1309
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,400
calculation, which is 25%

1310
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,920
for the first acre and 15% of any not

1311
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,520
let net lot area over the first acre.

1312
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Um, and I have on the right hand side

1313
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,520
just an example of the red line. As I

1314
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,040
said, there are three components. We're

1315
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,680
proposing to modify one, eliminate one,

1316
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:23,280
and keep the third the same.

1317
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:25,040
So staff's recommendation is to

1318
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,559
introduce and wave further reading of

1319
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:28,480
the ordinance entitled an ordinance of

1320
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:29,839
the city council of the town of

1321
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:34,319
Hillsboro amending section 1732030

1322
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:36,319
of the m Hillsborough municipal code

1323
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,400
relating to minimum dwelling size floor

1324
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,079
area and notice of limited remaining

1325
00:57:40,079 --> 00:57:42,240
floor area and finding the action to be

1326
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,359
exempt from squa.

1327
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,200
>> Thank you uh Miss Ree for your

1328
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:48,720
presentation. Do we have any questions

1329
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:54,069
from the council?

1330
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:56,000
Um, council member Schwang.

1331
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,319
>> Um, thank you, Liz. I, you know, I

1332
00:57:58,319 --> 00:57:59,839
really don't have any questions other

1333
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:02,240
than I really appreciate that despite of

1334
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,799
the or

1335
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:06,799
with the state laws keep changing that

1336
00:58:06,799 --> 00:58:08,960
we are able to make some lend some

1337
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,200
clarity to this and then be able to

1338
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:13,119
streamline this so that it's helpful for

1339
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:14,960
our applicants and so forth. So, thank

1340
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,119
you.

1341
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:19,680
>> Council member Adams has questions. Yes.

1342
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:22,000
I just have a question about uh the

1343
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,880
difference between ADUs and primary

1344
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,480
residents. Could someone on a lot I

1345
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,960
believe you can have three ADUs I think

1346
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,960
uh and a primary residence could a lot

1347
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,000
be uh populated by 4,000

1348
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,309
foot dwellings

1349
00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:51,119
and nothing bigger than that? No. Um

1350
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,599
the state law does allow in some

1351
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,040
scenarios up to three types of accessory

1352
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,520
units. You're allowed to have um a

1353
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,160
converted attached, a detached, and then

1354
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,200
in some cases a JADU. Um there are

1355
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,240
limitations for attached ADUs. Uh they

1356
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,480
cannot be more than 50% of the square

1357
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,640
footage of the primary dwelling,

1358
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,040
>> right? Um so there are are other

1359
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,839
limitations in in place

1360
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,000
>> but haven't we redefined primary

1361
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:27,760
dwelling through this minimum was 2500 now the minimum is

1362
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,319
1,000

1363
00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:32,799
correct so

1364
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:36,160
um I don't know if um Mr. Diaz wants to

1365
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,400
speak to this that's something certainly

1366
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,799
we could we haven't redefined what a

1367
00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:43,760
primary dwelling is. We're only reducing

1368
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,160
the minimum size required for a primary

1369
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,680
dwelling. So if you had a primary

1370
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,200
dwelling that you know somebody wanted

1371
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,520
to construct a thousand square foot

1372
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,040
primary dwelling um then you would be

1373
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,680
limited in um what you could have for an

1374
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,079
ADU. It couldn't be more than 50% of

1375
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,000
that which I think would qualify as a

1376
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,559
JADU. So I we would have to you know do

1377
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,720
a case study I think but I think it

1378
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:11,680
would sort of effectively make a

1379
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,000
property owner choose between a JADU and

1380
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,000
an ADU that was attached.

1381
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,559
>> Could you go back three slides um or

1382
01:00:18,559 --> 01:00:21,040
maybe two slides where you were showing

1383
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:23,440
Yes. This one

1384
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:25,200
um

1385
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,520
the first paragraph. Thanks for those

1386
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,680
questions. I also had questions with for

1387
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,680
clarification.

1388
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,480
Net lot area you are speaking

1389
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,200
specifically in terms of slow page

1390
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,480
right? How steep? What what exactly does

1391
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:40,960
that mean?

1392
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,520
>> No. So the net lot area so this is

1393
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,520
related to the size of the lot. So you

1394
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:50,160
have um the size of the lot which our standard minimum lot size is half of

1395
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,119
an acre. Um and so this doesn't take

1396
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,839
into account any slope. It's nearly

1397
01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:59,040
merely the square footage of the lot. So

1398
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,680
if you have a a lot that's under one

1399
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,640
acre your maximum allowable F your floor

1400
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,839
area ratio is 25%.

1401
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:11,200
If your property is larger than an acre,

1402
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,760
then your floor area ratio, which is the

1403
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,640
square footage of structures, and it

1404
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,359
applies to so if you have a twostory

1405
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:21,680
structure, that square footage counts

1406
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,440
for each floor. So this has to do this

1407
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,200
has to do with the limitation for how

1408
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,040
large your structure can be. It's not

1409
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,799
related to the slope.

1410
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:36,240
So if it's more than an acre, you said

1411
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:39,440
it's it's 15%

1412
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,680
of the remaining. Let's say you have two

1413
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:42,720
acres.

1414
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,880
>> Are you stating does this state that

1415
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,839
only 15% of the remaining one acre can

1416
01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:50,559
be developed?

1417
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,760
>> No, it's the calculation that allows you

1418
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,520
to figure out the square footage that

1419
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,119
your home can be. So if your property is

1420
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:02,960
2 acres, then you can have 25% for the

1421
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,079
first acre and then 15% for the second

1422
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:10,880
acre. So um for example, let's see, um

1423
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,270
one acre is 43,560

1424
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,520
square ft. So if you're allowed to

1425
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,640
develop 25% of that, that would be a

1426
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,119
10,000 square foot home, just over

1427
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:25,680
10,000 square feet. And then if you had

1428
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:28,160
an additional acre, you could only have

1429
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,720
15% of the floor area for that second

1430
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,880
acre. So that would be an additional

1431
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,400
6,500 square feet. So it has to do with

1432
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,319
just the square footage of the structure

1433
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:40,319
that you're allowed to build. So, the

1434
01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:42,400
previous law that states if you are

1435
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,079
going to build a second home, which is a

1436
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,000
state law,

1437
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,480
um I believe what we had in town was

1438
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,040
that you could not it have to be a

1439
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,520
minimum of half the square footage of

1440
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,160
the primary dwelling. So, that nullifies

1441
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:58,240
all of that is what she's stating based

1442
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,359
on this presentation.

1443
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:02,079
>> Are you talking about for an ADU?

1444
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:04,240
>> Well, a second home. You could develop a

1445
01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,559
second home without subdividing the lot.

1446
01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:09,440
Oh, like a an SB92 unit project.

1447
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:12,079
>> Correct. And there was at least in our

1448
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:14,480
own internal ordinances, it says you

1449
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,440
have to um the second home can be um in

1450
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,400
a minimum half the square footage as the

1451
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:23,920
primary dwelling. Let's assume your

1452
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,960
primary dwelling is 8,000 square feet.

1453
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,359
Your second home can be 4,000 square

1454
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:33,039
feet at a minimum. I mean, that's where

1455
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,240
it starts. Based on the recent state

1456
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,480
law, it sounds like those state laws

1457
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,480
have been superseded by what just

1458
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:42,799
happened. Are you now stating that you

1459
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:44,480
could just put a second home that's a

1460
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,559
thousand square feet? Does that

1461
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:50,079
eliminate that previous requirement?

1462
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,880
>> This would have no effect on what is

1463
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:56,480
allowed under SP9 or subsequently S9.

1464
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,799
Okay. Um, and I would have to look more

1465
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:02,079
into what the specifics of SB450 are.

1466
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,960
Um, but

1467
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,230
um,

1468
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,039
yeah, I I I know the state laws are

1469
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:13,119
constantly moving. It's a moving target.

1470
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:14,880
Maybe we can do an update on that

1471
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:15,359
sometime.

1472
01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:16,400
>> Absolutely. Yes.

1473
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,480
>> Sometime in the next six months or so

1474
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,400
because it's it would be good to update

1475
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,960
us because residents sometimes ask us as

1476
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,119
if we know, you know, so it's kind of

1477
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:30,079
good to know. um what new laws from a

1478
01:04:30,079 --> 01:04:34,319
legislative standpoint are sort of

1479
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:36,640
affecting the changes we have in in our

1480
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,799
ordinances and how that impacts

1481
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:41,039
residents when they remodel or choose to

1482
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,359
build a build a home. Council member

1483
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:45,440
Crowley have a question.

1484
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,240
>> I have another hypothetical for you.

1485
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,319
>> So our standard minimum lot size is

1486
01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:51,520
still one half acre,

1487
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,119
>> correct? But under SB9, could someone

1488
01:04:55,119 --> 01:04:58,319
divide their halfacre and and

1489
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,720
potentially sell a 1,000 square foot

1490
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:02,880
home? Now,

1491
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,280
>> yes, under SB9,

1492
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,200
uh, somebody could subdivide a lot that

1493
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,839
was half an acre. There are lots of

1494
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:13,680
requirements that have to be met in

1495
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,079
order to move forward with an SP9 lot

1496
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:19,200
split. Um, but yes,

1497
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,400
>> well, it was my understanding if you if

1498
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:25,680
you you couldn't have both. You could

1499
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,400
subdivide your lot, but you still have

1500
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,799
to abide by the local ordinance for

1501
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:33,119
minimum lot size.

1502
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:34,799
Not

1503
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:37,839
>> not under SP9. So, under SP9, you are

1504
01:05:37,839 --> 01:05:42,160
allowed to divide a lot as long as each

1505
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,799
of the resulting lots are at least 1,200

1506
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:47,520
square feet. Um, so if somebody had a

1507
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,799
lot that was uh half an acre, they could

1508
01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:53,359
certainly do an SP9 lot split. There's a

1509
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:55,039
new requirement that came, I think it

1510
01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:56,880
was under SB450,

1511
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,000
that in addition to the new lots or the

1512
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,839
resulting lots being at least 1,200

1513
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:03,920
square feet, it has to be at least a

1514
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,880
60/40 split. So if you had half an acre,

1515
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:08,559
then each of those lots would have to be

1516
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,400
close to a quarter of an acre. So that

1517
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:13,200
was a a change that was positive um for

1518
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,280
Hillsboro in terms of the you know if

1519
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,000
you have a 2acre parcel and you want to

1520
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,319
do an SB9 lot split it can't be smaller

1521
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:21,760
than 40% of the existing

1522
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,400
>> 40% of the existing okay as you can see

1523
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,960
we we still there's so many issues and

1524
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,640
questions maybe this would be something

1525
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:29,839
that would be worth doing a study

1526
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:30,640
session

1527
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,079
>> yes happy to come back with more

1528
01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:34,240
information about SB9 and those related

1529
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,160
development standards

1530
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,720
>> um I agree

1531
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,799
>> I just wanted to ask if Christopher had

1532
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:42,880
anything to add to my question because

1533
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:45,359
it was clearly I was thinking of a

1534
01:06:45,359 --> 01:06:47,680
developer who wasn't planning on living

1535
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:50,400
in the home but was planning on making

1536
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,960
something of a little village.

1537
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:53,839
>> Uh

1538
01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:55,520
>> no, thank you for the question. I I

1539
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,520
think Liz was tracking it in terms of

1540
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,760
the size. So the primary dwelling unit

1541
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,400
has to be everything falls from there.

1542
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,000
So in other words, the ADUs don't get

1543
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,319
larger than that. But let us come back

1544
01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,640
and really look at kind of the world of

1545
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,160
land use. Obviously, the California

1546
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,079
state legislature is constantly evolving

1547
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:14,240
and so let us look at all this and I

1548
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,319
think we can do some sort of uh overview

1549
01:07:16,319 --> 01:07:18,640
of kind of maybe examples of what land

1550
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,559
use would look like in Hillsboro with

1551
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:22,240
the current rules in place. We're happy

1552
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,480
to do that and bring Todd Leman in for

1553
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:24,799
that.

1554
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:27,680
>> Yes. And to to ease your mind, the only

1555
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,839
person who has reached out with interest

1556
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:32,880
about the minimum lot size is a longtime

1557
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,119
resident who just wants to build a

1558
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:38,720
smaller home. Um, so there is there is

1559
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,559
interest from a resident in having a a

1560
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,640
home that's less than 2500 square feet

1561
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,559
for purely um

1562
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:48,240
personal reasons.

1563
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,200
>> Okay. Um I I believe we now go to public

1564
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,200
comment on this and bring it back. I

1565
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:54,720
know we've had a lot of questions and

1566
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:56,720
discussion. Do we have any public

1567
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,880
comments on this?

1568
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,640
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. I don't have any

1569
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,720
speaker cards. I'll give it a moment on

1570
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:04,640
Zoom in case anybody would like to

1571
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,480
provide comments on this item.

1572
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,680
And I'm not seeing any. Thank you.

1573
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,680
>> Okay, bringing it back to council. Any

1574
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,920
additional questions at this time?

1575
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,679
Okay. Do we have a motion to introduce

1576
01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:21,040
and wave further reading of the

1577
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,120
ordinance entitled an ordinance of the

1578
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,040
city council of the town of Hillsboro

1579
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:28,400
amending section 17.32.030

1580
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,120
of the Hillsboro municipal code relating

1581
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,440
to minimum dwelling size floor area

1582
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:36,000
ratio and notice of limited remaining

1583
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,640
floor area and finding the action to be

1584
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:41,839
exempt from California SQA.

1585
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:44,319
So moved. Do we have a second?

1586
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,480
>> A second.

1587
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,440
Could we please have the vote?

1588
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:52,159
>> Thank you. Adams,

1589
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:52,719
>> yes.

1590
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:53,440
>> Schwang,

1591
01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:54,159
>> yes.

1592
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:54,880
>> Kurich,

1593
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:55,279
>> yes.

1594
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:56,080
>> Ragdale,

1595
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:56,480
>> yes.

1596
01:08:56,480 --> 01:08:57,359
>> Cole,

1597
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:57,920
>> yes.

1598
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,040
>> Thank you.

1599
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,799
>> Okay. 650. Thank you. Thank you, Liz.

1600
01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:05,199
>> I have one additional comment. I I just

1601
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,040
did some back of the envelope math and

1602
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:10,239
it looks like if somebody did divide a

1603
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:14,799
half acre and just 40% of the half acre,

1604
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:18,080
the minimum would still be a little over

1605
01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:19,920
2,000 square feet. So there's not much

1606
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,839
incentive for someone to just build

1607
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:24,480
a,000 square foot home and sell the

1608
01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:27,359
Yeah, the land cost a lot of money also.

1609
01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:31,679
Anyways, um items moving on to item 16

1610
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:34,480
for discussion. long-term financial

1611
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,239
funding updates and that will be

1612
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:38,480
presented by assistant city manager

1613
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:40,239
Mandy Brown.

1614
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,520
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole.

1615
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,120
All right, Mayor Cole and Council, just

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01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:47,600
be giving a highlevel update of where we

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01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,359
are in this project. Obviously, we have

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01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:51,520
finance director Jan Cook here as well

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01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,120
if there are any specific finance

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01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:55,040
questions.

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01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,600
Um, but just wanted to give an overview.

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01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:58,800
So we'll talk a little bit about the

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01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,280
revenue generations needs uh that was

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01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,320
established from the initial analysis

1625
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,640
and reviewing the alternatives. So the

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01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,040
original recommendations that were um

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01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,280
authorized by the council for staff to

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01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,199
uh proceed with and then some additional

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01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:16,640
options for consideration.

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01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,560
So, back in November, the presentation

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01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,320
on the long-term financial funding

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01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,960
analysis was presented and some revenue

1633
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,600
needs were identified of $3 million to

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01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,560
cover the operational budget gap, the $1

1635
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:30,800
million for the general fund operational

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01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,280
gap, and then $2 million to safeguard

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01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,320
against the loss of property tax DLF,

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01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,040
um, and increasing public safety costs,

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01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,600
um, especially for fire service. There

1640
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,760
was also a need for $2 million for

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01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,560
capital projects um upcoming for the

1642
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:50,719
town um related to some housing as well

1643
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:52,480
as uh public public building

1644
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:56,950
improvements.

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01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:59,440
So a status of where we are. So since

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01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:03,120
those recommendations uh were adopted uh

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01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:04,560
obviously we've completed the building

1648
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,239
and planning department for cost

1649
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:08,000
recovery and that is an estimated just

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01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,800
under $2 million. And so we're we'll be

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,560
tracking that obviously and reporting to

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01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,199
council on how how those in those those

1653
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:18,800
increased fees um are being realized

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01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:20,800
financially.

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01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,320
Um there was an a small increase to CCFD

1656
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,239
to cover the additional finance

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01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:30,239
services. Um so that's denoted here. Uh

1658
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:32,560
and then looking at the agreement with

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01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,120
CCFD for cost sharing. This is underway.

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,400
So CCFD has a consultant um on board and

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01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,320
I believe they're expecting to have some

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,440
preliminary results in the fall. Um but

1663
01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:45,600
we'll continue um getting updates from

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01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,880
them. I know they were doing some

1665
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:48,640
stakeholder interviews this week for

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01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,719
that project.

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01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:54,000
Uh we also uh uh worked with a

1668
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,000
consultant to do some public opinion

1669
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,080
research for a potential parcel tax

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01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,120
measure for this ballot. Um it it came

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01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,320
back that it was not feasible for us to

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,040
uh release that this year. And we're not

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,520
alone. Uh quite a few cities in San

1674
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,679
Monteo County were looking at a parcel

1675
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:14,560
tax or some sort of revenue measure and

1676
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,400
the vast majority of them are not

1677
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,800
proceeding. The ones that are going

1678
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,440
forward um are usually for a hotel tax

1679
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:24,159
or a sales tax. Um and even then some of

1680
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,400
those are are borderline. Um there

1681
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,719
aren't really any parcel tax. Uh there

1682
01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:31,120
are a couple transfer tax charter city

1683
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:33,760
measures going through uh but those are

1684
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,840
really in cities that are in much worse

1685
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:39,199
financial shape than Hillsboro is and uh

1686
01:12:39,199 --> 01:12:42,560
it's sort of a do or die moment. So uh

1687
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,320
what we were told by the consultant is

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01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:45,920
that this is not they've been doing a

1689
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,159
lot more of those calls with um

1690
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,320
disappointing news. Um so it's not

1691
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,600
feasible for this year but it's

1692
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,440
something that we can look to a future

1693
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:55,440
year as an option for the town. And so

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01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,400
I'll outline that in um some additional

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01:12:58,400 --> 01:12:59,920
alternatives for the council to

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01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:03,910
consider.

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01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,679
So this is just doing a little bit of

1698
01:13:05,679 --> 01:13:08,480
the math um sort of figuring out uh the

1699
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:10,480
remaining revenue needed. So the

1700
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,480
building and planning fee study is a

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01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:13,520
little bit higher than what was

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,560
initially projected by the consultant.

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01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,400
Um we don't really have a source for

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01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,480
capital at this point. So there is still

1705
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:23,120
an outstanding need of revenue of $3

1706
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,040
million if we're using those initial

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01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,640
assumptions that were used in the

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01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,550
analysis.

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01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,640
Then there's a a table in the staff

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01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,159
report as well. So I'm just going to go

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01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:35,760
through and I've sort of put them in

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,560
buckets of what could support ongoing

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,719
operations and what would be more

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01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:43,440
supportive of one-time capital needs.

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01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:45,040
And so I'll walk through each of these

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01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,760
seven options.

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:49,760
The first is staffing controls. Um

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01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,320
obviously costs staffing is our most

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01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,920
expensive um cost to the town and so

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,760
just making sure that we are tightening

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01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,640
up or adding policies to look at each

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01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,960
vacant position. We have had some recent

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01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,920
vacancies in town and we are applying uh

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01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:08,159
this thought process to those vacant

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01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,640
positions to look at the classification,

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,239
look at the work that is needed. How

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01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:14,000
could we do this as effective as

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01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,239
possible as possible and be efficient

1729
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:22,000
with our resources? Um, but this could be something as formal as um

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01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,960
a policy from the council or as informal

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01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,440
as a practice uh for staff to implement.

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01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:29,760
So, these are all going to be options

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01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,760
sort of for your consideration. And at

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01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,360
the end of the presentation, I'll sort

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01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:35,760
of ask um are there any of these items

1736
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,840
that you want staff to prioritize? Are

1737
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,760
there any of these options you do not

1738
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,520
like and do not want on the menu of

1739
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,280
options? And so we're just looking for

1740
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,120
some general direction um at the

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01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,189
conclusion of the presentation.

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01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:51,120
The next one is additional fee studies.

1743
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:52,320
So we looked at the building and

1744
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,560
planning fees. The uh there are some

1745
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:56,640
engineering fees um also on our fee

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01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:58,400
schedule that have not been updated in

1747
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,719
some time. Uh there wouldn't have as

1748
01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,880
much kind of bang for their buck, but

1749
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,040
they they are outdated. And so we could

1750
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:06,880
look at what the cost to provide those

1751
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,199
services are. Um grading permits,

1752
01:15:09,199 --> 01:15:11,600
vehicle impact fees. Those are just some

1753
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:13,520
examples. And so we could commission a

1754
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,320
similar result to see what we can do um

1755
01:15:16,320 --> 01:15:18,480
to get that cost recovery so that the

1756
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,280
general fund is not subsidizing um or

1757
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:23,280
being impacted by development related

1758
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,719
services. So really just sort of

1759
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:29,110
tightening the screws there.

1760
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,520
Uh this was a recommendation that came

1761
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:34,800
from the long-term financial funding uh

1762
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,120
plan from the the consultant, but it

1763
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,880
never made it to the final

1764
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:40,400
recommendations.

1765
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,040
Um so the town gets um some measure A

1766
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,159
funds and the majority of them are used

1767
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,840
for the actual capital costs uh rather

1768
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,840
than the operations. And so what this

1769
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,159
um slide with a lot of numbers on it,

1770
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,640
essentially what it says is that there

1771
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,040
is a way to increase the measure A

1772
01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,960
contributions to cover operations. So to

1773
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:07,199
minimize the impact to the general fund,

1774
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:10,640
but also not impact the actual streets

1775
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,520
program because we do have reserves that

1776
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,880
can only be spent on streets. Uh what it

1777
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,440
is suggesting is keeping the same same

1778
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:21,920
streets project budget. nothing changes,

1779
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,800
but using those restricted reserves and

1780
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,800
tracking that measure A funding,

1781
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,440
re-evaluating it um to make sure that

1782
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:32,960
it's not um reducing the program uh and

1783
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:34,880
the in the project budget overall,

1784
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,640
making sure that the funding sources are

1785
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,960
secure. Um but we think that we have a

1786
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,640
way uh to be able to um help the general

1787
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,040
fund in this area uh without affecting

1788
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:46,960
the project. And um I did we did run

1789
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:48,880
this by a public works director and city

1790
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,840
engineer Paul Willis and um he agreed

1791
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,520
that as long as we continue to look at

1792
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,440
those funding sources and look at the

1793
01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,760
bids that are coming in and the costs um

1794
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,360
that this is something that that could

1795
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,520
be feasible uh to help with the general

1796
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:05,270
fund impacts.

1797
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:06,960
Next one is um these are more for

1798
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,520
capital needs. Um, so we talked about

1799
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:12,400
the ballot for the revenue measure for

1800
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:13,760
this November, but that doesn't mean

1801
01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:16,080
that we couldn't uh continue to look out

1802
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,000
to a future year. So, doing a little bit

1803
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,600
more research, looking at some other

1804
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,199
options, especially with a longer

1805
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:25,280
runway. um looking at education and

1806
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,280
support for additional public safety

1807
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:29,600
parcel tax, looking at the storm drain

1808
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,320
fee again, seeing how the cities that

1809
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,239
did place measures on the ballot this

1810
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,640
November, how those fared um and what

1811
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,960
they did and see what worked. And so um

1812
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,280
just keeping this on as an option for

1813
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:44,950
the future.

1814
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:46,800
This actually came from our goal setting

1815
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:48,640
session as well is to look at

1816
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,080
establishing um a 501c3. So staff has

1817
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,520
already begun this process. Um and we do

1818
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,080
have a grants management policy to make

1819
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:00,960
it as easy as possible to award grants.

1820
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,800
Um I will say given the the economic

1821
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,440
climate there are not as many options

1822
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:08,080
out there um as there used to be. A lot

1823
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,960
of them require a match um and many of

1824
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,040
them are reimbursement rather than they

1825
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:14,640
give you the money upfront which can be

1826
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:16,560
challenging from a cash flow perspective

1827
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:18,960
especially for large grants. So, it is

1828
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:20,719
something that we monitor. Um, and

1829
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:22,560
actually CPPG, our legislative

1830
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,880
consultant, also has a grants manager uh

1831
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,800
that keys us into some opportunities

1832
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:30,000
that may be available. Uh, so we just

1833
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,760
continue to really look for those

1834
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,120
opportunities to to help uh aid capital

1835
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,840
needs as well as general fund. Uh, we

1836
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,440
can also look at partnership with other

1837
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:42,000
entities on cost sharing or projects. Um

1838
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,440
so just really thinking outside of the

1839
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,280
box of how can we minimize the impact to

1840
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:49,350
the town.

1841
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:51,280
Uh this is another sort of study that

1842
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,520
could be done and this depending on what

1843
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,320
the results and the uh the will of the

1844
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,040
council is. Uh we could look at our

1845
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:02,880
capital uh program and use some criteria

1846
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,960
to manage our resources by maybe

1847
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,520
deferring some capital or capital or

1848
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:11,760
revisiting the prioritizations that have

1849
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,800
been assigned in prior studies. Um, and

1850
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,800
this is this could could buy us a little

1851
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:18,239
bit of time on some of the bigger ticket

1852
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,880
items. However, it does could lead to

1853
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,640
deferred maintenance, which would be

1854
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,640
more emergency repairs. So, there is a

1855
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,719
cost benefit, but we could look at that

1856
01:19:26,719 --> 01:19:29,600
with fresh eyes and sort of um look at

1857
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,000
the risk uh that would be associated

1858
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,400
with waiting uh versus what needs to be

1859
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:36,640
done now and just have one comprehensive

1860
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,640
look at it uh to see if there is there

1861
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,719
are any savings that could be realized

1862
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:43,840
by uh revamping our capital pro. uh

1863
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,840
program. And then again, uh we did have

1864
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,280
public works director and city engineer

1865
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:49,360
Paul Willis look at this as an option.

1866
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,080
Um and and he was uh happy to do it if

1867
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,760
the council was looking at it, but just

1868
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:55,520
wanted to keep it on as a as a menu

1869
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,310
option for your for your consideration.

1870
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,000
And the last one, this has actually come

1871
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:06,480
as a recommendation from FAC um as uh as

1872
01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,679
well as I think the council has

1873
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:10,000
mentioned it a couple times was to uh

1874
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,640
look at the town-owned inventory of land

1875
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:15,440
and properties and see if there is any

1876
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,679
opportunity to dispose of any of those

1877
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:20,239
assets. And so what this would what

1878
01:20:20,239 --> 01:20:22,080
staff would recommend is that we'd begin

1879
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:25,360
with a presentation from uh Christopher

1880
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,840
Diaz on the legal process for the

1881
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:29,840
disposition of town owned land so we

1882
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,239
understand what goes into that. And then

1883
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:35,679
we could also um can prepare an

1884
01:20:35,679 --> 01:20:37,199
inventory of all the town owned land.

1885
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:38,880
Some are slivers, some are larger

1886
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:41,040
places, some have deed restrictions. And

1887
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:43,280
so putting all of that together um in a

1888
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,000
package with some agreed upon criteria

1889
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:49,199
to rank the the opportunities

1890
01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:53,199
um for revenue generation um or for or

1891
01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:54,880
properties that may be more beneficial

1892
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,199
to hang on to for a potential use that

1893
01:20:57,199 --> 01:21:00,560
some department uh may need. Uh so uh

1894
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,560
staff could prepare that as well, but it

1895
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,239
would begin with the sort of legal

1896
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,480
discussion of of that framework and how

1897
01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:07,760
that would work for the disposition

1898
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,350
itself.

1899
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,600
And so a lot of these I've assigned some

1900
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:16,000
sort of general dollar values, but we

1901
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,520
really don't know until we get into

1902
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:19,760
them. I was just sort of more a ballpark

1903
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:22,719
small, medium, large. Um, with obviously

1904
01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:26,880
the the capital uh uh strategies being

1905
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,360
the most potential. Um, but we don't

1906
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,600
really know until we we get in there and start to do some of that analysis.

1907
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,920
Um whereas the fee studies, the measure

1908
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,440
A and maybe some of the staffing

1909
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,320
controls could be an ongoing savings um

1910
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:42,560
if we were to implement those as sort of

1911
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:47,030
standing policies.

1912
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:49,280
So I have this slide up here again just

1913
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:51,520
for the discussion with all seven of

1914
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,920
them um outlined, but I can go back to

1915
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:55,600
any of the other slides with the detail

1916
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:58,719
on them um during the discussion. Thank

1917
01:21:58,719 --> 01:22:01,280
you.

1918
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:02,719
Mandy Brown, for the

1919
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:05,120
presentation. Um, any questions from

1920
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:12,550
this from the council?

1921
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,840
» Yes, Council Member Adams.

1922
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,800
>> Uh, thank you so much. That's really

1923
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,520
great to see uh the whole thing laid

1924
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:26,239
out. I would still question uh number

1925
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:31,280
three uh because it isn't so much uh

1926
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,840
that I'm worried about our

1927
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,719
reauthorization or utilization of the

1928
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:40,320
funds. It's that to qualify for them,

1929
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:42,719
there are very specific

1930
01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:45,760
uh requirements that they go for roads

1931
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,040
and not for maintenance. So I think I'd

1932
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:51,360
like to hear from Paul directly about

1933
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,440
that one. Uh because we've talked about

1934
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:57,520
it a number of times. Uh so that I have

1935
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:01,679
a little bit of a question about. Uh the

1936
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:04,719
other is you're absolutely right on

1937
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:10,239
number five. Uh most many grants require

1938
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:13,120
that the work be done and then you're

1939
01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,639
reimbursed.

1940
01:23:14,639 --> 01:23:18,480
And that can be a real struggle with

1941
01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:22,320
cash flow uh particularly when the

1942
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:27,199
project may need the money uh out of

1943
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:30,159
sync with our ability to have it. So

1944
01:23:30,159 --> 01:23:32,400
other than that, it's always good to do

1945
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,840
all these things. And I especially think

1946
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:39,040
just having an assessment of our town

1947
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,600
owned land. In the budget book, it says

1948
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,120
we have 240 acres. A number of those are

1949
01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:48,239
just triangular slivers that would only

1950
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:51,600
be uh interested. The only interested

1951
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,800
parties I think would be the neighbors.

1952
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,600
Uh but we have to be really careful as

1953
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,080
you said about what our future needs

1954
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:04,159
might be. So having just an assessment

1955
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:06,560
sounds like a good idea to me.

1956
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,480
>> Thank you. Um any additional questions

1957
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:14,550
from the council? Council member Crowic.

1958
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,880
No, no, this is Well, this is um

1959
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,360
questions for clarifications or comments

1960
01:24:19,360 --> 01:24:26,229
um regarding what's been presented.

1961
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:28,880
Um I think I I would like um public

1962
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,840
comments just it's mostly um

1963
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,440
clarifications or things we can come

1964
01:24:33,440 --> 01:24:34,800
back to. We're going to have an

1965
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,679
opportunity to discuss.

1966
01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:40,080
>> Okay. Okay. Vice Mayor Rexdale.

1967
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:46,560
>> Um, so just clarification on um, uh, I

1968
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:49,520
guess it's with regard to bonds, the

1969
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,400
general obligation bond versus the uh,

1970
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:55,199
lease revenue bond. So, I I think I

1971
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:57,040
understand it now, but I just want to

1972
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:59,280
make sure that the general obligation

1973
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,800
bond, you do need to go to the voters

1974
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,600
and get the twothirds approval and then

1975
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,159
they pay it back um through the parcel

1976
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:09,199
tax and a lease revenue bond or any kind

1977
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:12,239
of revenue bond. Um we don't need to

1978
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:14,960
take it to the voters, but we're the

1979
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,560
ones paying it back, so we need to have

1980
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,159
make sure we have enough money to pay it

1981
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:22,870
back. Is that correct?

1982
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,679
looking at Jan. Um uh for a revenue

1983
01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,199
bond, yes, that is generally correct.

1984
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:30,320
You're using your um uh sewer, water

1985
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:31,920
fund, whatever it happens to be to

1986
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,600
essentially pay back that loan. Doesn't

1987
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,000
require going out to the voters. I don't

1988
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:37,360
have experience with general obligation

1989
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,960
bonds, but my understanding is yes, they

1990
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,719
do have to go to the voters. Um I just

1991
01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:42,639
don't know what context you can actually

1992
01:25:42,639 --> 01:25:44,800
uh pull one, but yes, that your your

1993
01:25:44,800 --> 01:25:46,159
thoughts are generally correct.

1994
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:48,960
>> Okay, great. Thank you.

1995
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,520
>> Um Council Member Chuang,

1996
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,920
>> thank you. Um thank you Mandy. I I have

1997
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,920
a question regarding the capital uh

1998
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,560
improvements as we are evaluating the

1999
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:00,719
priorities of the capital improvements.

2000
01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:02,719
Um there's always the balance right? You

2001
01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:04,719
know uh if we're not moving forward with

2002
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:06,719
the capital improvements the deferred

2003
01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:08,480
maintenance is going to come back to

2004
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:11,679
bite us. Um so that's always a fine

2005
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:17,440
line. Do do we have a um and we probably

2006
01:26:17,440 --> 01:26:22,320
do. Do we do we have a list of our um c

2007
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,159
capital improvements for the next 10

2008
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:26,560
years

2009
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,080
and the priorities of it?

2010
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:31,600
>> I know we have five. Um I'm sure Pul

2011
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,679
Works has

2012
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:40,790
10 years worth of projects.

2013
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,880
» Oh, good evening, Madame Mayor, council

2014
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:45,760
members. Great question. We do in our um

2015
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,840
capital improvement program have a

2016
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:51,199
five-year lookout in the uh fiscal year,

2017
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:53,920
the recently adopted fiscal year um

2018
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:59,120
budget book, but also um uh public works

2019
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:05,040
uh keeps a um master plans for uh each

2020
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,239
of our infrastructure divisions, water,

2021
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:13,040
sewer, and uh storm drain. and uh that

2022
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:15,199
helps us project and build our capital

2023
01:27:15,199 --> 01:27:17,760
improvement programs up to 30 years.

2024
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,639
Now, of course, things will change and

2025
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:23,280
we try to update every 10 years or as

2026
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:27,040
appropriate. Um but those resources

2027
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,280
which are or those plans are posted

2028
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,679
online

2029
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:34,000
and are a good resource to help us build

2030
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:36,400
our capital improvement program. Thank

2031
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:37,840
you.

2032
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:40,000
>> Um I think I'm going to have you stay

2033
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,080
for a second. My questions are along

2034
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:45,120
those lines. Um, regarding our storm

2035
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,760
drains, the estimate here, um, that's

2036
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,679
projected from an operational

2037
01:27:49,679 --> 01:27:53,280
standpoint, um, is approximately a

2038
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:54,880
million dollars a year. That's

2039
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,040
operational. That's not replacing the

2040
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,960
storm drains. So, is it? Because I know

2041
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,440
we have a long-term storm drain program

2042
01:28:01,440 --> 01:28:06,149
with replacements.

2043
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:07,760
» I'm sorry. I'm I'm not exactly.

2044
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:15,120
>> Jan knows everything.

2045
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,800
>> Um, great question. We spend about $1.2

2046
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:20,880
million on Strong Drain, which is the

2047
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:24,480
capital program. Um, but it is paid for

2048
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:26,639
by the general fund because there's no

2049
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:29,520
other source of funding and so it is

2050
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,920
part of the operational budget challenge

2051
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:32,960
that we have.

2052
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:34,239
>> Okay. So when you say operational,

2053
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:35,760
you're referring to the town's

2054
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,880
operational budget, not the amount to

2055
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,120
operate the storm drains maintenance

2056
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:41,840
issue.

2057
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:42,320
>> That's right.

2058
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:46,400
>> Okay. It's mostly replacement. Um and I

2059
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,480
have a few more questions for public

2060
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:51,760
works. I believe with regards to measure

2061
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:55,280
A, can we use some of that those

2062
01:28:55,280 --> 01:28:58,320
fundings? Um well funding I should say

2063
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,239
clearly has to go towards street. But in

2064
01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:05,760
terms of the um reserve cannot be used

2065
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,760
in what are the parameters what are the

2066
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,120
legal parameters around that?

2067
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,440
>> Sure. So I'm I mean I don't have the

2068
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:14,239
full um breadth of what it can be used

2069
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:16,560
for in front of me but in in general

2070
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,440
measure A funding is uh the intent is

2071
01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:22,000
for infrastructure improvements to

2072
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,560
support transportation.

2073
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:26,480
Infrastructure improvement. Does that

2074
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:30,080
include storm drains?

2075
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:31,840
>> No. No.

2076
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,960
>> Does not. Most of the staff to my left

2077
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:36,960
shaking their head. It does not improve

2078
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:39,120
include storm drains. Okay. So,

2079
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:42,800
infrastructure improvement is roads

2080
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:46,480
is yes. Streets. Streets and mainly

2081
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:50,400
streets in the case of of the town. And

2082
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,400
your question about can it be used for

2083
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,080
operations? It can be used for

2084
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,239
operations. A number of cities use it

2085
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:59,040
almost solely for operations. We right

2086
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:02,320
now uh fund $250,000

2087
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,199
of that total measure A in the general

2088
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:08,719
fund. So what this um evaluation would

2089
01:30:08,719 --> 01:30:11,199
do would be to just increase how much is

2090
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:14,960
going toward the maintenance as compared

2091
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:17,600
to the capital. But we've done an

2092
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,080
analysis and based on the five-year

2093
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,719
capital plan as well as the projections

2094
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:24,880
from all the revenues, there appears to

2095
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,159
be adequate money to do that to do both

2096
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,280
as planned. So the five-year street CIP

2097
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:35,120
plan as outlined by public works in

2098
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:37,520
connection with transferring a larger

2099
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,840
amount toward these maintenance

2100
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,199
operations, street maintenance

2101
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,440
operations. Those can both be

2102
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:47,360
accomplished in today's dollars.

2103
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:50,639
>> Okay. Um so just for clarification,

2104
01:30:50,639 --> 01:30:54,560
you're saying we can increase the amount

2105
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,080
that from measure A towards operations

2106
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,400
that we currently

2107
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:02,560
move towards operations. Is that

2108
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:03,120
>> Yes.

2109
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:03,600
>> Okay.

2110
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,239
>> And we would re-evaluate that every few

2111
01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:09,840
years. you may have heard there's there

2112
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,400
could be changes coming from gas tax or

2113
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,800
other items. So that's we just want to

2114
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,040
keep track of all of those and make sure

2115
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,239
that this um would still hold true. Um

2116
01:31:20,239 --> 01:31:22,320
so we would need to re-evaluate it every

2117
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:23,600
couple of years.

2118
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:27,120
>> Okay. Um yeah, I I have a a few more

2119
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:31,840
clarifying questions on um item seven,

2120
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,960
which is the town owned land. Could you

2121
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,800
just briefly talk to us about the

2122
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,639
surplus land act and how that will

2123
01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:41,840
impact the disposition of town owned

2124
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:42,800
land?

2125
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:44,080
>> Yeah. No, thank you for the question,

2126
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,000
Mayor Cole. I think there's probably and

2127
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,159
I'll state that there's probably two

2128
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:49,840
limitations on the land that the town

2129
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,480
does own. One would be any kind of deed

2130
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:54,239
restrictions, which I know some exist on

2131
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:56,239
some of the larger open space parcels,

2132
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:57,920
and then separate and apart from that,

2133
01:31:57,920 --> 01:31:59,679
um, as you noted, state law kicks in,

2134
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,400
which is the surplus land act. Um, this

2135
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,239
was something that existed in state law

2136
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,880
for, I want to say, decades. But in

2137
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,199
2019, the state legislature started to

2138
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,199
play with it a little bit more and made

2139
01:32:11,199 --> 01:32:13,120
it more of an affordable housing tool to

2140
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,960
get more housing built in certain

2141
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:16,639
communities. And so what it does require

2142
01:32:16,639 --> 01:32:19,199
is that yes, uh, when we want to sell a

2143
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:21,440
parcel of property, um, and let's say we

2144
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,840
just want to sell it on the open market,

2145
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:25,600
uh, you'd list it for sale. You'd put

2146
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,760
out almost like an RFQ of some sort to

2147
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:29,040
indicate that we have the parcel

2148
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,440
available. uh if an affordable housing

2149
01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,080
provider steps forward and says, "I

2150
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:36,239
would like to buy that parcel," uh we

2151
01:32:36,239 --> 01:32:38,480
have a 90-day obligation to engage with

2152
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:40,400
them in good faith to potentially sell

2153
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,320
the parcel. Keep in mind, we don't have

2154
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:44,880
to actually lower our our price. Uh fair

2155
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,440
market value is allowable. We don't have

2156
01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:49,120
to change the zoning on the parcel and

2157
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:50,800
so that would be at the request of the

2158
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:52,239
affordable housing provider and the

2159
01:32:52,239 --> 01:32:53,679
council is fully within their discretion

2160
01:32:53,679 --> 01:32:56,400
to say no. Um but yes, that is the

2161
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,080
general framework of the surplus land

2162
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,920
act. we put something out for sale. If

2163
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:01,440
an affordable housing provider steps

2164
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:03,120
forward first, we have a 90-day

2165
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,719
obligation to engage with them in good

2166
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:06,960
faith. If we get somewhere and we do

2167
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,040
sell the parcel, then that would be the

2168
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:10,639
state legislaturator's kind of goal with

2169
01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:13,040
the surplus land act. If we don't, let's

2170
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:14,960
say they can't meet fair market value or

2171
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:16,639
they realize it's just too problematic

2172
01:33:16,639 --> 01:33:19,040
from a zoning perspective, then if they

2173
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,639
go away, then if somebody else steps

2174
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:22,239
forward, then we can sell the parcel to

2175
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:24,080
that other party. But always if the

2176
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,440
affordable housing provider steps

2177
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:27,040
forward first, that's our first

2178
01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:29,679
obligation. Um there's other exceptions

2179
01:33:29,679 --> 01:33:31,679
within the the law. Obviously smaller

2180
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:33,679
parcels, parcels provided to another

2181
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:35,920
government agency. All of those are

2182
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,440
exempt from the surplus land act. And

2183
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:38,960
there's many many exemptions that I

2184
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:40,880
won't go through now, but that's the

2185
01:33:40,880 --> 01:33:42,639
general framework of the act. It just

2186
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:44,480
obligates us to engage in good faith

2187
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:46,639
with an affordable housing provider.

2188
01:33:46,639 --> 01:33:48,400
>> Okay. Um just for further clarification

2189
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:53,040
on that law, this parcel, this land

2190
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,600
Let's just for discussion sake say the

2191
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,040
town owns a 4 acre piece of property

2192
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:00,960
that we may have been using for other

2193
01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:02,960
purposes but we no longer used it and

2194
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:05,360
it's poor acres that's owned by the

2195
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,960
town. If we want to sell that land to

2196
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,360
get some revenue to offset some of these

2197
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,239
issues we're discussing. We will have to

2198
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:16,719
list that with the state for an

2199
01:34:16,719 --> 01:34:19,920
affordable housing developer first. they

2200
01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:22,320
have first bid in terms of the offer. Is

2201
01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:23,120
that correct?

2202
01:34:23,120 --> 01:34:25,440
>> Generally correct. Yes. Staff would

2203
01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:28,239
probably get uh an appraiser on board to

2204
01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:30,000
look at the price that we think is fair

2205
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,000
for the parcel and then yes, we'd put

2206
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,080
out word that the parcel is for sale. I

2207
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:38,480
think one of the requirements is that list or our notice goes to state

2208
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:40,880
HCD and so that yes, the larger

2209
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:42,880
affordable housing groups can look at

2210
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,320
the list and see what parcels are

2211
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:47,040
available. And an affordable housing

2212
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:50,000
developer is I looked at this this

2213
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,000
morning as I was reading the section is

2214
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,320
defined as

2215
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:57,760
at least 15% of the units will have to

2216
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:00,080
be below market rate

2217
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:00,960
approximately.

2218
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,480
>> I haven't looked at the definition in

2219
01:35:02,480 --> 01:35:04,239
some time but I I think that is tracking

2220
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:06,239
with my recollection. Yes.

2221
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:08,000
>> Okay. That that that's I I just wanted

2222
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,679
to understand how that would factor into

2223
01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,560
the thinking around here. Um and and

2224
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:14,560
also I have a few more clarifying

2225
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:18,480
questions um regarding

2226
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:20,639
the other options we're looking at which

2227
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:26,870
is

2228
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,120
with regards to the estimates for the 2

2229
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,760
million um in terms of operational

2230
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:36,560
budget gap says loss of VLF which is

2231
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:38,400
I think we're all sort of in queue with

2232
01:35:38,400 --> 01:35:41,040
that it's all over the news and public

2233
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,000
safety and CCFD. Is that mostly CCFD

2234
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,280
cost we referring to or is that some

2235
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,199
other

2236
01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:52,320
cost? It's mostly CCFD cost in general.

2237
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,639
Okay, that's what I thought. Just wanted

2238
01:35:54,639 --> 01:36:00,629
some clarification on that. And um

2239
01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:03,360
Okay. Um Council Member Adams have

2240
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:05,440
additional questions and then we'll ask

2241
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:07,120
for public comment and then we'll come

2242
01:36:07,120 --> 01:36:09,360
back for discussion. Yes, Council Member

2243
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:09,920
Adams.

2244
01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:11,760
>> Yeah. And I'm certainly no expert in

2245
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,880
this, but my understanding was yes, we

2246
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:19,760
can go ahead and use uh measure A for

2247
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,719
maintenance and operation, but it may

2248
01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,760
jeopardize how much money we get in the

2249
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,280
future on measure A if someone were to

2250
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,719
look at it and say it doesn't qualify as

2251
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:35,920
transportation. So, people have probably

2252
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,080
done it. I just want to make sure that

2253
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:42,639
what we're doing isn't taking money

2254
01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:45,920
uh out of our pocket ultimately. So

2255
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,920
that's my only caution and I just think

2256
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:50,880
we need to have real clarity and I I

2257
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:53,920
think uh Paul's the person who knows it

2258
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,159
better than anyone. So when I've talked

2259
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,800
to him that's the impression I got. So I

2260
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,800
may have been wrong but that's my

2261
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,520
concern. Thanks.

2262
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,520
>> Okay. We'll ask for public comments and

2263
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,440
then we'll come back for some final disc

2264
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:10,000
discussion.

2265
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:11,760
>> Do we have anyone

2266
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,719
>> on Zoom or in the chambers who would

2267
01:37:14,719 --> 01:37:16,239
like to speak to this issue?

2268
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:18,080
>> I don't have any speaker cards in the

2269
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:20,480
room. I'll give it a moment to see if

2270
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:21,840
there's anyone who would like to raise

2271
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:24,400
their hand on Zoom.

2272
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:26,320
And I'm not seeing any raised hands.

2273
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:27,280
Thank you.

2274
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:28,800
>> Okay, we'll bring it back to the council

2275
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:31,280
for further discussion. And I think I

2276
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,679
will Could you Thank you. I was going to

2277
01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:35,679
ask you for that slide, Mandy. You're

2278
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:38,560
awesome. Thanks. Um, I will start with

2279
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,400
Council Member Crowley.

2280
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,040
>> Oh, thank you. Um, this is an excellent

2281
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,679
presentation. Really, I think it's so

2282
01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:49,520
positive and I I totally foresee us

2283
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:52,480
having a very um successful cooperative

2284
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:54,800
effort to get us where we need to go

2285
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:59,520
financially. Um, so um, thank you for

2286
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:01,760
looking at staffing controls. No one on

2287
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,760
the council is suggesting that any

2288
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:07,040
member of our staff is underworked. Um

2289
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,520
it's just a fact that everybody works

2290
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:12,960
really hard. But we have gone up in

2291
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:16,639
staffing almost 20% in the past 10 years

2292
01:38:16,639 --> 01:38:19,920
and some of this is you know state

2293
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:22,560
unfunded mandates but um but we have

2294
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:24,320
gone up. So, I think it's it's really

2295
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:28,239
great to look at every single vacancy

2296
01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:31,440
and um and see what we can do. One side

2297
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:33,360
note, I seem to recall, and this is

2298
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:34,880
something we could look into, that when

2299
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,960
we went down to a half day on Friday, we

2300
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,119
did used to be open till 5:30 on town

2301
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:41,840
hall at town hall. Um which maybe we

2302
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,520
give people a little more time to get

2303
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,880
things done. Um the looking for public

2304
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,560
money, especially for our police

2305
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:52,239
station, I think is a a a great idea.

2306
01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:54,800
um the federal government, the state,

2307
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:59,840
the county. Um reading the report on

2308
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,320
that's now a few years old on the

2309
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,080
incredible work that our police

2310
01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:07,199
department is doing in square feet that

2311
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:10,080
is half the recommended uh amount of

2312
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,480
square feet for the work that you do and

2313
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,000
the size of our town and the size of our

2314
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:17,360
force. So, so hopefully, I mean, we

2315
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,920
really, really need to prioritize a new

2316
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:21,360
police station and maybe we could get

2317
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,480
some public money to help with that. Um,

2318
01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:28,159
maybe a modest bond in 2028. That could

2319
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:30,000
be a revenue stream, but again, it's

2320
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,360
going to take a lot of education. Um,

2321
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,400
and uh and perhaps we could even put

2322
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:39,440
together now a community task force. We

2323
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:41,119
have some very effective community

2324
01:39:41,119 --> 01:39:44,239
members right here who understand the um

2325
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:46,480
the finances of our town to just start

2326
01:39:46,480 --> 01:39:48,960
to educate community leaders on where we

2327
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,679
are and what we need from the community.

2328
01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:53,840
Um

2329
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:57,040
I actually the capital prioritization

2330
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,520
study to me is the lowest priority for

2331
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,040
us because I I I have a lot of faith in

2332
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,040
the the expertise that we already have

2333
01:40:05,040 --> 01:40:07,360
on staff to prioritize our capital. But

2334
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:11,280
that's just me. Um and the FAC would be

2335
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,360
very very happy to see that town-owned

2336
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,639
land is looked at. The FAC has been um

2337
01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:18,960
asking for this for for quite a long

2338
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,719
time that we look at town owned land and

2339
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:22,000
see if there's some way that we can

2340
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,960
leverage that. But um you know we've got

2341
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:27,840
this huge capital project to do here at

2342
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:30,080
the town hall and I think it's just like

2343
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,239
any other resident in town. We've got to

2344
01:40:32,239 --> 01:40:34,560
tighten our belts and save as much as we

2345
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:37,040
can and look at every way that we can to

2346
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:38,880
finance it and it's just kind of an all

2347
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:41,119
hands on deck effort. But thank you very

2348
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:43,440
much. I think this is very positive.

2349
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:45,840
>> Thank you, Council Member Kwick. Um any

2350
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:48,320
additional um discussion points,

2351
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,480
comments from the council, Vice Mayor

2352
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,159
Ragdale.

2353
01:40:52,159 --> 01:40:55,119
>> Um thank you for the presentation, Mandy

2354
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:58,800
and um Natalie and Jan also for the

2355
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:01,920
additional information. Um,

2356
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:05,760
I think these are all great options. I

2357
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,560
feel that with the staffing controls,

2358
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:11,040
what you're already doing is is probably

2359
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:12,560
going to be sufficient when when there's

2360
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,480
an opening. Just double-checking,

2361
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:16,400
talking to the department head, making

2362
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:18,960
sure things could be rearranged. And um,

2363
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,360
I think we we can trust your judgment on

2364
01:41:21,360 --> 01:41:23,360
that. I don't see a need to have a

2365
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:26,639
consultant or anything come in. Um, so I

2366
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:29,280
would just keep keep that up. Um, and

2367
01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:31,679
then I agree with Council Member Kle

2368
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:34,239
with regard to number six, the capital

2369
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:37,360
prioritization. I feel like we're doing

2370
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:38,880
that all the time. You guys are doing

2371
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,600
that all the time. I don't

2372
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:44,320
I I never have doubts where we're where

2373
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:47,920
we're putting our money. Um, and you

2374
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:52,320
could get the deferred maintenance and uh emergency repair

2375
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,400
costs, which are going to, as we know,

2376
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:57,119
eat up whatever you've saved. Um, so I

2377
01:41:57,119 --> 01:42:00,000
would trust the continue doing what what

2378
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:03,199
we're doing on that. And um, I love the

2379
01:42:03,199 --> 01:42:07,760
idea of a parcel tag, some kind of bond

2380
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:12,239
um, in 2028 and a education effort. It's

2381
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:15,199
complicated whether council can what

2382
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,760
council can do and can't do. So, um, I

2383
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:20,080
think getting residents involved in that

2384
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:24,000
would be fantastic. And, um, and I agree

2385
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:29,520
with the with the measure A. Um that one overwhelmed me a little bit to

2386
01:42:29,520 --> 01:42:34,159
understand. Um but whatever um can be

2387
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:36,719
done would be great if it if it doesn't

2388
01:42:36,719 --> 01:42:40,239
sacrifice um potential future measure A

2389
01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:44,400
uh proceeds. Thank you.

2390
01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:46,239
>> Um seeing no additional comments from

2391
01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:47,679
the council. Oh, I'm sorry. Council

2392
01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:50,159
member um Trong, do you have uh

2393
01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:51,199
additional comments?

2394
01:42:51,199 --> 01:42:52,880
>> Just a short comments. Um I do

2395
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,960
appreciate uh very much the staff

2396
01:42:54,960 --> 01:42:58,159
brought this uhformational items to us

2397
01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:00,639
um at any time that we have an

2398
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:03,440
opportunity to discuss this and to set

2399
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:05,520
um the priorities and we do see that the

2400
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:09,760
priorities do flow depends on the

2401
01:43:09,760 --> 01:43:12,800
projects and depends on the timing of

2402
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:16,400
the projects. Um I do think that the uh

2403
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:19,280
the issues about addressing the general

2404
01:43:19,280 --> 01:43:20,800
obligations

2405
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:24,719
um to the um to the safety the public

2406
01:43:24,719 --> 01:43:28,080
safety um is important. The storm drain

2407
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:31,119
is important that do impact all our

2408
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:34,719
other um improvements. So um to have a

2409
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,800
serious conversation in that context is

2410
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:40,159
really helpful. So thank you.

2411
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:41,920
>> Okay, Vice Mayor Rexel,

2412
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:43,840
>> sorry I forgot one. the additional fee

2413
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,360
studies.

2414
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:48,080
I'm very intrigued if we think that, you

2415
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,400
know, we we we promise not to get too

2416
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,000
excited. At least I promise not to get

2417
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:53,760
too excited. That's going to be the

2418
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:55,440
amount that for building and planning.

2419
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:58,639
But, um, if you think it it could be

2420
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:01,040
worth it. Um, our roads are expensive to

2421
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:02,719
repair. So, if we're not charging enough

2422
01:44:02,719 --> 01:44:05,440
for the vehicle impact fee, then then we

2423
01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:07,840
should charge more. But, we don't want

2424
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:10,239
to pay a consultant so much that we're

2425
01:44:10,239 --> 01:44:13,199
um eating up any savings. So um I trust

2426
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,320
your judgment on that. Thank you.

2427
01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:21,119
>> Um so my my um discussion points um let

2428
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:23,920
me start from the top with regards to

2429
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,639
the operational budget um of the 1

2430
01:44:26,639 --> 01:44:29,679
million for storm drains. It it looks

2431
01:44:29,679 --> 01:44:31,679
like currently we're charging three

2432
01:44:31,679 --> 01:44:33,280
$7.34

2433
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:35,280
cents I assume per parcel per year.

2434
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,440
That's an annual fee. Is that correct?

2435
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,920
Okay. And we barely we yet we're

2436
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:42,480
spending a million a year to maintain

2437
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:45,679
our storm drains. How far into this

2438
01:44:45,679 --> 01:44:48,000
replacement or maintenance are we? How

2439
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,040
many more years do we have to go? I know

2440
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,480
we've been doing this for many years

2441
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:56,080
now. Do we have any specifics on how far

2442
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:01,590
we into this process?

2443
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,080
» Thank you, Natalie.

2444
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:07,679
>> Sure. So the um as I was mentioning the

2445
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:09,520
uh storm water master plan was last

2446
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:12,080
updated in 2013 which helped us develop

2447
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,199
this strategic plan of $1.2 million a

2448
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:21,440
year. Um and we have progressed you know

2449
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:23,760
I guess it's been what

2450
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:27,199
>> 13 years. Um now having said that that's

2451
01:45:27,199 --> 01:45:30,560
it was a planning document and um things

2452
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:32,880
have come up that weren't necessarily

2453
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:36,800
specifically um uh built out in the uh

2454
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:39,119
that specific plan and we are due for an

2455
01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:42,560
update but of course um due to budget

2456
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,119
constraints we want to be mindful of

2457
01:45:45,119 --> 01:45:46,880
because it costs money to update a plan

2458
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:50,480
as well. So um you know I we've we've

2459
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:52,880
completed all the high priority p high

2460
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:54,480
priority projects which I'm proud to

2461
01:45:54,480 --> 01:45:58,560
share. Um and the type A high priority

2462
01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:00,880
and then we're we've moved on to type B

2463
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,280
priority and and then next would be C.

2464
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:04,960
But um

2465
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:06,960
>> so would you would you estimate we're

2466
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:11,360
50% along or or more something?

2467
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:14,080
>> Yeah, it's hard to uh put put a

2468
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:17,360
percentage on it. Um

2469
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:22,239
I would say that we've completed

2470
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:25,520
it because because it's um it's a the

2471
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:29,040
priorities are not proportionally

2472
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:31,920
uh correlated to a percentage because

2473
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,400
higher priority would it be

2474
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:36,480
>> but but this project is going to be with

2475
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:38,639
us for at least the next decade would be

2476
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:39,760
your estimate

2477
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:43,040
>> forever. forever. Okay. Yeah, that's

2478
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,560
>> Yeah, that's clarity.

2479
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,480
>> If I could add it, it is kind of in

2480
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:48,480
perpetuity when you look at these types

2481
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:49,840
of things. What and what we're very

2482
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:51,840
proud of for public works is that those

2483
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:54,400
level A priority ones that really,

2484
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:56,480
>> you know, they they they're some of them

2485
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:57,760
could be life safety if they're not

2486
01:46:57,760 --> 01:46:59,520
attended to that. We've actually cleared

2487
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,520
all those out. And I think if we did

2488
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:04,159
take a strategic look, uh, if we looked

2489
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,159
at item six, and I and I agree, I think

2490
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:08,560
we have capable staff here that can

2491
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,320
prioritize their what they need to do.

2492
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:11,760
But if we were to look at that, the goal

2493
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,239
would be to keep those from coming back

2494
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,320
into the A category. In other words, I

2495
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:17,840
wouldn't want to put off something

2496
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,080
that's in the B category for so much

2497
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,600
time that it now becomes one of these

2498
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:23,360
emergency type things. We'll always have

2499
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,440
water main breaks and things that happen

2500
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,679
once in a while like that. But as far as

2501
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:30,960
the planned uh capital improvements, uh

2502
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:32,719
as long as we can keep out of that level

2503
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:34,320
A stuff, it gives us a little bit of

2504
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:36,800
breathing room to really prioritize what

2505
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:38,800
year that capital is going to get done.

2506
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,639
Eventually, it's all going to get done.

2507
01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:43,119
And of course, as these types of things

2508
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:46,800
go, it is this will be for the for the

2509
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,280
length of the town existence, we'll be

2510
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:49,760
paying.

2511
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:51,520
>> Yeah. So, this is this is an ongoing

2512
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,080
project. It's estimating 1.1 into the

2513
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:55,920
budget from the general fund. So this is

2514
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:59,520
clearly uh an area where we need to find

2515
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,960
sustainable revenue currently. Are we

2516
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:06,239
using any from the enterprise fund to

2517
01:48:06,239 --> 01:48:07,600
take care of this or it's all from the

2518
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:08,719
general fund?

2519
01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:10,480
>> That's correct. We can't use um

2520
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:12,080
>> enterprise funds. Yeah, it's just from

2521
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,520
the general fund and so and we're not

2522
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,600
asking residents to pay I mean $7

2523
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,159
annually doesn't come close to covering

2524
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:27,760
the 1.1 million year um expenses. So as

2525
01:48:27,760 --> 01:48:29,679
we think about this I mean that to me is

2526
01:48:29,679 --> 01:48:32,320
such a fixed number I given the and the

2527
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,000
importance that it has in a town and

2528
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,840
given the significance in terms of our

2529
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:39,360
well-being and health etc. and you know

2530
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,360
it's it's something we can't it has to

2531
01:48:41,360 --> 01:48:45,280
be done and it's indefinite.

2532
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:48,639
The second um major gap is the 2 million

2533
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:53,920
which most of it is from CCFD and PO and um you know some from VLF maybe 20

2534
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:58,480
30% um and so I think understanding what

2535
01:48:58,480 --> 01:49:00,719
are the drivers of this $3 million

2536
01:49:00,719 --> 01:49:02,560
deficit is critical as you think about

2537
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:06,560
how to fix it. Um, so I I would like um

2538
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:09,520
us to really look at those three main

2539
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:11,360
issues and see what kind of long-term

2540
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:14,159
remedies we can have around those issues

2541
01:49:14,159 --> 01:49:16,080
that would be more sustaining because

2542
01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:18,080
the problem only gets worse as you

2543
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,239
stated with the storm drains. If you

2544
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:22,159
ignore it, it's more expensive and it

2545
01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:26,080
impacts well-being and welfare. So um um

2546
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:28,880
on those on that sort of the overview of

2547
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,119
the three major areas that I see are the

2548
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:34,320
major drivers of the deficit or the gap.

2549
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:37,360
Those will have to be um areas that I

2550
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:40,880
think in terms of a fix have to address.

2551
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:43,760
>> Right? We're we're we're in good shape

2552
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,440
now, better shape than a lot of our our

2553
01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:47,679
neighbors are, but that 1.1 million, you

2554
01:49:47,679 --> 01:49:49,199
know, over a period of time is not is

2555
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:51,119
not sustainable. So right be looking at

2556
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:52,400
the priorities there and as you

2557
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:54,960
mentioned our CCFD and our public safety

2558
01:49:54,960 --> 01:49:56,400
we've got a lot of stability now that

2559
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,719
our labor contract is is completed. So

2560
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:01,199
we have some good runway to know what

2561
01:50:01,199 --> 01:50:03,040
the cost will be moving forward. And of

2562
01:50:03,040 --> 01:50:04,960
course we have the study that's ongoing

2563
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,560
now which we should be hearing about in

2564
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,800
October or November to really talk get

2565
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,880
down into the granular issues about cost

2566
01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:13,520
sharing between our partners.

2567
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:16,960
>> Okay. Um, in terms of other fixes, um,

2568
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,719
let me go through the areas that I well

2569
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:23,840
I I I think we we probably going to run

2570
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,159
into some issues with item seven even

2571
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:28,719
because for a couple of reasons. One,

2572
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:30,560
exploring feasibility of dispos

2573
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,280
disposition of town owned land. Well, we

2574
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:36,639
can't do that every year to fill in that

2575
01:50:36,639 --> 01:50:38,800
gap. So we may be able to do it once or

2576
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:42,639
twice and once you've sold the top land

2577
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:44,719
then you're down back to the same issue.

2578
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:47,600
So it's not a it's not a structural fix.

2579
01:50:47,600 --> 01:50:49,679
It's it's an intermittent fix. So I'm

2580
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:51,280
not sure something that's an

2581
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:53,280
intermittent fix is going to get us out

2582
01:50:53,280 --> 01:50:56,080
of that issue long term. And of course

2583
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,080
you then have to deal with the state

2584
01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:03,199
regarding um a developer um who who will

2585
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:05,520
develop homes according to our

2586
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:07,920
ordinances. in it's a very complex

2587
01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,719
issue. We do have a handful of land at

2588
01:51:10,719 --> 01:51:12,960
least six of them that are over one acre

2589
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,040
that are developable. The question I

2590
01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:18,239
also had was can and Christopher you

2591
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:20,320
could perhaps think about this can we

2592
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:23,199
use land to generate revenues or it it

2593
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:26,159
can only be sold if we can't lease it

2594
01:51:26,159 --> 01:51:28,159
ourselves. It has to be leased through a

2595
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:31,199
third party. Is that correct?

2596
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:33,280
>> Yeah. No, the the town could lease land

2597
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:35,199
instead of selling it. That's an option.

2598
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:37,360
But a lease that's more than I think 15

2599
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,040
years is subject to the surplus land

2600
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,760
act. So you'd have to look at what you

2601
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,199
might want to do if you didn't want to

2602
01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:44,719
have to deal with the surplus land act.

2603
01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:47,360
It could be a lease that's 10 years just

2604
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:49,119
yeah there's options.

2605
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:51,040
>> So there's a potential the possibility

2606
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:54,800
of leasing land and generating revenues

2607
01:51:54,800 --> 01:51:57,119
>> potentially. Yes. And I just wanted to

2608
01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:01,199
add on to that too. I mean, some of the land, as we know, is not

2609
01:52:01,199 --> 01:52:03,440
really feasible for development as much

2610
01:52:03,440 --> 01:52:05,040
as it might be purchasable by the

2611
01:52:05,040 --> 01:52:06,320
neighbors that are around it, which

2612
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:07,920
would also reduce our maintenance cost

2613
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,760
of those lands as well. Right. As soon

2614
01:52:09,760 --> 01:52:11,840
as we sell a piece of property, we're no

2615
01:52:11,840 --> 01:52:13,599
longer responsible for maintaining that.

2616
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:15,119
So, there's kind of a double thing

2617
01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:17,280
there. But, you are right, land is one

2618
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:18,719
of those things that they're they're not

2619
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:20,400
making any more of it. So, whatever we

2620
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:22,320
have now is what we have to the extent.

2621
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:24,719
And I would say also because I had these

2622
01:52:24,719 --> 01:52:26,800
same questions on the surplus land. I

2623
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,440
thank Mr. Diaz for educating on us. But

2624
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:32,400
the, you know, the one big thing to keep

2625
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:34,560
in mind is that the the zoning always

2626
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:37,199
remains at your discretion. So it it's

2627
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:38,800
not just being able to sell something at

2628
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:40,560
a fair market price, but it's also

2629
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:42,239
currently we're zoned for single family

2630
01:52:42,239 --> 01:52:45,520
home dwellings. So that a lot of times

2631
01:52:45,520 --> 01:52:47,040
uh that'll always be within the

2632
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:48,639
discretion of the council, at least as

2633
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:50,880
we sit here with the current laws.

2634
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,320
>> Okay.

2635
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:56,480
Um and and I agree with um so I mean I

2636
01:52:56,480 --> 01:52:58,560
think it's worth exploring that further.

2637
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:01,199
I would really like to know if the town

2638
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:04,480
can generate revenues from leasing the

2639
01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:06,639
land for other purposes that are within

2640
01:53:06,639 --> 01:53:09,199
state laws that that is something that

2641
01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:12,560
could be explored. Um I agree how we use

2642
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,440
measure A those are guided by state laws

2643
01:53:15,440 --> 01:53:18,560
but uh certainly anything that we can do

2644
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,960
to improve

2645
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:22,960
um revenues back into the general fund

2646
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,040
for measure A would be uh a top

2647
01:53:25,040 --> 01:53:26,560
priority.

2648
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:29,119
I'm not a big fan of additional fees. Um

2649
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:31,360
what I saw what I read in the in the

2650
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:33,920
report was additional fees for public

2651
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:37,840
works related issue. I I'm reading that

2652
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,320
and as a resident I'm like, well, isn't

2653
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:43,040
that what the property taxes? I feel

2654
01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:44,880
like I've already paid for it. I And I

2655
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,119
just have some clarifying questions

2656
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:49,920
around that area of um the additional

2657
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,080
fees, not building and planning I

2658
01:53:52,080 --> 01:53:54,320
thought was quite appropriate because it

2659
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,239
is a development and it has an impact on

2660
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:58,639
the current infrastructure. But the

2661
01:53:58,639 --> 01:54:00,560
additional fees that we discussed and I

2662
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,239
reviewed a lot of them centered around

2663
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:04,159
public works. But maybe I misunderstood

2664
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:05,679
that and that can be clarified

2665
01:54:05,679 --> 01:54:07,360
>> on the on the public works thing. And

2666
01:54:07,360 --> 01:54:09,679
it's a great point. The these are are

2667
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:11,440
development fees as well. So these would

2668
01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:12,880
be in the areas of engineering

2669
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,400
associated with development.

2670
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:14,719
>> Okay.

2671
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:16,880
>> So here again it it's not a generic fee

2672
01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,400
that's spread out amongst everybody

2673
01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:19,599
that's out here. It's just the people

2674
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:21,280
that'll be utilizing the services.

2675
01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:22,880
They're already paying for those. What

2676
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,639
we may need to do similar to what we did

2677
01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:26,400
with building and planning is make sure

2678
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,400
we're getting cost recovery to the full

2679
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:29,280
effect.

2680
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:31,119
>> Okay. So it's a development impact.

2681
01:54:31,119 --> 01:54:33,520
>> It's development. Yeah. All those that

2682
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:34,960
we look at would be related to

2683
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,159
development. So they're getting a

2684
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:37,840
service for a specific service they're

2685
01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:39,840
or getting a service for a specific

2686
01:54:39,840 --> 01:54:42,320
request somebody is making.

2687
01:54:42,320 --> 01:54:46,719
>> Okay. And with regards to um the bond

2688
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:48,960
measure, I I I just agree. I think the

2689
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:52,000
timing is is all off. No one people

2690
01:54:52,000 --> 01:54:53,119
don't have money and they don't want you

2691
01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:56,239
to ask them about money right now. So um

2692
01:54:56,239 --> 01:54:58,080
it's it's it's just not the right

2693
01:54:58,080 --> 01:54:59,760
environment to be floating it. But

2694
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:01,119
perhaps in a few years things will

2695
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:03,840
change. Um and and I do like the idea of

2696
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,719
item five which is to look at um

2697
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:08,880
donation and grants and partnerships

2698
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,199
specifically as it relates to rebuilding

2699
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:12,480
um and we're going to be discussing this

2700
01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:14,480
later rebuilding our police department

2701
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,320
given the fact that there are many areas

2702
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:19,119
where that can really stand improvement

2703
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:21,040
especially the seismic improvement. So I

2704
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:25,520
think um you know we have a town complex

2705
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,840
this you know hall discussion redesign

2706
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,280
but looking specifically at PD and see

2707
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,560
what can be done along those lines but

2708
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,920
thanks again for this in-depth analysis

2709
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:39,840
wonderful presentation Mandy as always

2710
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:42,880
thank you so much but I appreciate the

2711
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:48,320
um detailed study and feedback extremely

2712
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:50,000
helpful in our thinking. Thank you very

2713
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:50,239
much.

2714
01:55:50,239 --> 01:55:51,679
>> And if I could just summarize the

2715
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,360
direction just to make sure because I

2716
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:56,239
know we there was a lot of opinions. So

2717
01:55:56,239 --> 01:55:58,239
we will continue to focus on the

2718
01:55:58,239 --> 01:56:00,560
staffing controls on the fee studies and

2719
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:02,719
measure A. We'll sort of weigh cost

2720
01:56:02,719 --> 01:56:05,280
benefit and and talk a little bit more

2721
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:07,520
about that internally. We'll keep the

2722
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,599
potential revenue measure on the horizon

2723
01:56:09,599 --> 01:56:11,520
and evaluate the the work that needs to

2724
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:13,520
be done there. We'll continue to pursue

2725
01:56:13,520 --> 01:56:15,360
donations, grants, partnerships, and

2726
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:17,840
we'll bring forward that nonprofit um to

2727
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,239
the council for consideration. Um again,

2728
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:22,159
with the capital prioritization study,

2729
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:23,599
it's it seems like it's already been

2730
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:25,440
handled by public works. So, we'll we'll

2731
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:27,840
hold on that and then we'll bring back

2732
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:30,400
um studies about surplus land act and

2733
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,480
town owned land uh for council to

2734
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:33,760
discuss further.

2735
01:56:33,760 --> 01:56:35,599
>> Okay, Chris, that sounds about right.

2736
01:56:35,599 --> 01:56:36,480
Thank you so much.

2737
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:38,719
>> And measure A, did you? Yes, measure I

2738
01:56:38,719 --> 01:56:40,880
said we will kind of we'll discuss that

2739
01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,119
more internally and see what weigh the

2740
01:56:43,119 --> 01:56:45,840
cost benefit on that as as well as the

2741
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:48,719
development related engineering fees.

2742
01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:50,080
>> Thank you.

2743
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:52,400
>> Thanks.

2744
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:55,280
Next item

2745
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:58,880
is umformational and we have Liz Roy

2746
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:00,480
telling us about updates from the city

2747
01:57:00,480 --> 01:57:02,159
council subcommittee for town hall

2748
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:14,310
complex project.

2749
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,080
Okay.

2750
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,320
Fortunately, this is just an update, so

2751
01:57:18,320 --> 01:57:19,520
you don't have to make any more

2752
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:23,199
decisions. Um, just as a reminder going

2753
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:24,960
back since it's been a while since we've

2754
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,920
presented to the council on this, the

2755
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:30,800
reason for the town hall complex project

2756
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:33,119
and the town hall city council

2757
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:36,639
subcommittee is um our housing element

2758
01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:38,800
identified the construction of 16

2759
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:42,480
multifamily housing units on this site.

2760
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,880
Um, we also identified the need to

2761
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,520
replace the existing police department

2762
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,520
um with a new facility because the

2763
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:51,360
necessary seismic and structural

2764
01:57:51,360 --> 01:57:54,000
retrofitting of the existing building

2765
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:57,040
would likely cost more than constructing

2766
01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:59,440
a new building. And then the big picture

2767
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:02,159
was that the town recognized during the

2768
01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:04,320
housing element review process an

2769
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,599
opportunity to reinvision the town hall

2770
01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:10,080
complex and develop a master plan for

2771
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:11,920
the redevelopment of the site to

2772
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,760
incorporate the housing that was

2773
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,159
identified in the housing element. uh to

2774
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:19,840
incorporate the improved public safety

2775
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,159
facilities and then also address needs

2776
01:58:22,159 --> 01:58:25,280
for the town offices, community spaces

2777
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:26,639
um and other elements that were

2778
01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:29,040
identified by community feedback during

2779
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:33,270
the housing element process.

2780
01:58:33,280 --> 01:58:36,080
um community input that we've had so

2781
01:58:36,080 --> 01:58:37,760
far. We've held three community

2782
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:39,679
conversations, conducted one

2783
01:58:39,679 --> 01:58:42,800
communitywide survey in order to inform

2784
01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:44,239
the community of the project

2785
01:58:44,239 --> 01:58:46,159
requirements and discuss the site

2786
01:58:46,159 --> 01:58:48,000
challenges, hear feedback from the

2787
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:52,000
community. Um and we do have an upcoming

2788
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:54,960
study session scheduled for August 10th.

2789
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,520
We're excited for that meeting um that

2790
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:01,119
we'll have a lot more to look at uh than

2791
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:04,560
this presentation. Um, the council

2792
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:06,320
remembers that we have partnered with

2793
01:59:06,320 --> 01:59:09,199
EHDD and Red Dot Studio. We brought them

2794
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:11,679
on to assist with professional design

2795
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:13,520
services to oversee the program

2796
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:15,199
development and the site master

2797
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:18,000
planning. They've um been working with

2798
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:20,320
town staff and the subcommittee on the

2799
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:25,760
state site analysis to understand the unique features, the waterline that

2800
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:28,239
we have running under Walnut um and to

2801
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:29,840
really deeply understand the needs of

2802
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,320
each department and weigh that with

2803
01:59:32,320 --> 01:59:33,760
community feedback and council

2804
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:35,920
direction.

2805
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:37,760
The last presentation that I made to the

2806
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:39,920
council about this was on September 8th

2807
01:59:39,920 --> 01:59:43,119
in 2025 and it doesn't seem like it was

2808
01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:45,760
that long ago, but at that meeting staff

2809
01:59:45,760 --> 01:59:49,360
provided anformational update um and we

2810
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:53,280
presented several revised assumptions.

2811
01:59:53,280 --> 01:59:56,000
We had a discussion about the overall

2812
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:58,560
site footprint, building adjacencies,

2813
01:59:58,560 --> 02:00:02,480
um, Walnut Avenue and um, the challenges

2814
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:04,719
associated with the large water line

2815
02:00:04,719 --> 02:00:07,119
running under that and parking and and

2816
02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:10,239
project phasing. At that meeting, um,

2817
02:00:10,239 --> 02:00:12,800
the city council directed staff and the

2818
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:15,920
subcommittee to evaluate creative

2819
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:18,080
strategies to reduce the project's

2820
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:20,320
parking demand. um there was a

2821
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:23,280
significant amount of parking uh needed

2822
02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:25,119
above and beyond the existing parking

2823
02:00:25,119 --> 02:00:27,520
that we have now. The council also

2824
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,360
directed staff and the subcommittee to

2825
02:00:29,360 --> 02:00:32,239
explore parking solutions that avoided

2826
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:35,760
um the costly uh construction above

2827
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:38,000
grade or below grade parking structures.

2828
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:39,840
There were also concerns about

2829
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:42,560
waterproofing and other um construction

2830
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:44,960
related complications.

2831
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:46,639
Um the council also directed to

2832
02:00:46,639 --> 02:00:48,880
investigate opportunities to expand the

2833
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:51,520
town hall complex through acquisition or

2834
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:54,719
incorporation of adjacent parcels. And

2835
02:00:54,719 --> 02:00:56,400
then additionally the the council

2836
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,960
directed the subcommittee to identify

2837
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,440
two preferred site plan alternatives for

2838
02:01:01,440 --> 02:01:03,440
presentation to the full city council

2839
02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:05,599
and discussion at a future study

2840
02:01:05,599 --> 02:01:08,000
session.

2841
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:10,159
That study session, as I mentioned, is

2842
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:12,000
scheduled for August 10th. So, we're

2843
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:14,639
excited to bring um that back to the

2844
02:01:14,639 --> 02:01:16,080
full council and members of the

2845
02:01:16,080 --> 02:01:18,080
community to review those two preferred

2846
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:20,480
site plans. Since that September 8th

2847
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:22,400
meeting, the subcommittee has met twice

2848
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:24,800
to review conceptual site plan

2849
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,840
alternatives prepared by the project

2850
02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:30,400
consultants and further refine project

2851
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:34,800
assumptions. Um at the last meeting, um

2852
02:01:34,800 --> 02:01:37,760
on May 21st, the consultants presented,

2853
02:01:37,760 --> 02:01:40,159
I believe it was seven alternative site

2854
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:42,480
plans. Uh the meeting minutes from that

2855
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:44,400
were attached to the staff report. But

2856
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:47,440
at that meeting um the subcommittee

2857
02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:49,840
discussed the advantages and constraints

2858
02:01:49,840 --> 02:01:53,040
of the various com um site plans and

2859
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:54,880
there were three members of the public

2860
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:58,080
who attended this meeting and they were

2861
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:00,560
also able to provide input and feedback

2862
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,719
about the direction and the

2863
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:04,239
identification of these two preferred

2864
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:05,520
site plans that are going to move

2865
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:07,599
forward.

2866
02:02:07,599 --> 02:02:11,119
Um so as I said there this was just an

2867
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:15,119
update and certainly um if um the

2868
02:02:15,119 --> 02:02:16,880
subcommittee would like to provide any

2869
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:19,360
additional detail I welcome that. Um but

2870
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,480
really we wanted to encourage um all of

2871
02:02:22,480 --> 02:02:24,800
the members of the public here tonight

2872
02:02:24,800 --> 02:02:27,679
to attend the August 10th study session.

2873
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:29,360
But we're hopeful we'll do obviously

2874
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:32,400
some more um public outreach and

2875
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,400
encourage members of the public to

2876
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:36,400
attend that meeting. But we're excited

2877
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:38,000
to finally have something to bring back

2878
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:40,239
to the community and to the full council

2879
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:42,639
and hopefully have a robust discussion

2880
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:47,119
about the alternatives and their merits.

2881
02:02:47,119 --> 02:02:48,719
>> Thank you for the presentation. Do we

2882
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:50,320
have any questions from the uh city

2883
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:53,910
council?

2884
02:02:53,920 --> 02:02:55,599
» Um Vice Mayor Rexdale,

2885
02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,520
>> not a question, but just being on the

2886
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:00,000
subcommittee. Um very happy with the

2887
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:02,560
update and also um the study session

2888
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:04,800
that's going to be at 300 p.m. Right.

2889
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:07,679
So, I've just emphasized that in and

2890
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,760
getting the word out so people so people

2891
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:13,360
know the time and I encourage people to

2892
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,880
attend. Thank you.

2893
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:20,000
>> Yes. Um, Council Member Adams,

2894
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,520
>> thank you so much, Liz. uh in terms of

2895
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:26,400
the direction you got from the council

2896
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:31,360
to uh come back with uh two preferred

2897
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:34,400
site plans, I thought it was very

2898
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:36,800
helpful in the materials that you gave

2899
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:42,719
us uh in our packet to look at what the

2900
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:46,639
cost would be and the time frame for

2901
02:03:46,639 --> 02:03:50,560
production and the square footage etc.

2902
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:54,320
So, I'm just asking whether those two

2903
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:57,920
preferred site plans will have that kind

2904
02:03:57,920 --> 02:03:59,760
of

2905
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:03,679
very guessy idea because it does

2906
02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:05,360
influence

2907
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:09,199
uh the reaction that I think you will be

2908
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:14,400
looking to solicit which is uh how much

2909
02:04:14,400 --> 02:04:17,040
is the appetite for what's being

2910
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:20,560
presented based on what it might cost.

2911
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:23,199
>> Yes. Um part of the reason that this was

2912
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:24,880
scheduled for the date that it was

2913
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,639
scheduled was to ensure that we would

2914
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:31,280
have um enough information well that the consultant would have enough

2915
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:34,800
information about um the cost

2916
02:04:34,800 --> 02:04:37,599
assumptions uh for the two site plans.

2917
02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:40,880
We also asked them at the last review of

2918
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:43,679
those alternatives to provide an overlay

2919
02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:45,520
so that we could that the count full

2920
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,760
council could discuss potential phasing

2921
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:50,080
of the project as well to understand you

2922
02:04:50,080 --> 02:04:51,760
know could the existing town hall

2923
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,480
facilities stay in operation while a

2924
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:55,679
portion of the construction was

2925
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:56,960
happening because we felt that that

2926
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:58,880
would be an important component of the

2927
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:01,199
conversation.

2928
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:04,560
>> Thank you. Any

2929
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:08,400
additional um questions for

2930
02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:14,639
this ru? Um we'll go to public and um I have um well actually before we go to

2931
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:17,280
the public, let me ask my question. Did

2932
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:20,480
the subcommittee um looked at the

2933
02:05:20,480 --> 02:05:23,599
possibility of bifocating

2934
02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:27,440
the redesign of the police department

2935
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:30,560
from redesign of the town hall

2936
02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:33,599
administrative complex.

2937
02:05:33,599 --> 02:05:35,760
>> Um that was certainly part of the

2938
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:38,159
discussion. Um, I think the consultants

2939
02:05:38,159 --> 02:05:40,000
will probably be able to explain it more

2940
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:45,920
eloquently than I can. Because of the safety and seismic needs required

2941
02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:48,080
for a public safety building, it will be

2942
02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:50,480
structurally separate from the rest of

2943
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,480
the town hall facilities even though

2944
02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:55,440
it'll be architecturally integrated. Um,

2945
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:59,119
so that that will be um so project

2946
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:02,560
phasing was certainly a component of um

2947
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:05,199
the review and the discussions. And do

2948
02:06:05,199 --> 02:06:07,840
you know if the consultants um explored

2949
02:06:07,840 --> 02:06:10,880
that in terms of the discussions you

2950
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:11,760
had?

2951
02:06:11,760 --> 02:06:13,679
>> Yes, they did. And and they can be

2952
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:15,199
prepared to speak to that at the study

2953
02:06:15,199 --> 02:06:15,599
session.

2954
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:16,960
>> So they will be prepared to speak to

2955
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:18,880
that more absolutely

2956
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:19,920
>> at the study session.

2957
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:20,480
>> Yep.

2958
02:06:20,480 --> 02:06:23,199
>> Okay. Um any

2959
02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:25,119
Okay, we'll go to public comments. Do we

2960
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:26,880
have any public comments?

2961
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:29,199
>> Thank you, Mayor Cole. I don't have any

2962
02:06:29,199 --> 02:06:30,719
speaker cards in the room, but I'll give

2963
02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:32,480
it a moment on Zoom if anyone would like

2964
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:37,189
to provide comments on this item.

2965
02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:39,760
I'm not seeing any raised hands. Thank

2966
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:41,840
you.

2967
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:43,920
>> Yes. Okay. Coming back to the council.

2968
02:06:43,920 --> 02:06:45,599
We'll close public comments and come

2969
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:47,679
back to the council. And um council

2970
02:06:47,679 --> 02:06:49,199
member Chong has a question.

2971
02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:52,000
>> Thank you. Uh uh Liz just questions

2972
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,599
regarding the consultants because you

2973
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:59,760
know for uh for police department there

2974
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:02,800
are that is a specialty in terms of the

2975
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:08,880
design and the spec and so in having the

2976
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:11,679
consultants are they working with RPD in

2977
02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:15,520
terms of the specs and then uh and then

2978
02:07:15,520 --> 02:07:17,760
incorporated as a town complex is that

2979
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:20,560
how that work? Yes, there were were

2980
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,960
months of conversations between the

2981
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:26,320
consultant and um and PD about exactly

2982
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:28,960
what their space needs are in terms of

2983
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:30,880
you know safeolding spaces, meeting

2984
02:07:30,880 --> 02:07:34,000
spaces, um you know all of the spatial

2985
02:07:34,000 --> 02:07:36,239
needs and how those adjacencies work

2986
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:38,719
together um where they need to have

2987
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,320
secured parking where they don't need to

2988
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,320
have secured parking. So there was a lot

2989
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:43,920
of coordination between the consultants

2990
02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:45,360
and PD about their needs.

2991
02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:47,599
>> All right. And then uh the follow-up

2992
02:07:47,599 --> 02:07:51,119
question is um will there be up you know

2993
02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:54,079
I'm I'm hopefully I'm not jumping ahead

2994
02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:57,679
but the we just talk about the long-term

2995
02:07:57,679 --> 02:08:01,760
finance in terms of this this town and

2996
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,639
um in terms of the town complex there

2997
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:06,800
have always been over the years

2998
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:09,520
different functionality discussions and

2999
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,520
the structures and the cohesiveness for

3000
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:14,000
the community and for the specific

3001
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:17,040
departments. So my question is will

3002
02:08:17,040 --> 02:08:19,679
there be opportunities for us to parse

3003
02:08:19,679 --> 02:08:22,400
it out in instead of looking at the town

3004
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:25,280
complex as a whole um either at the

3005
02:08:25,280 --> 02:08:28,560
subcommittee level or the consultants um

3006
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,480
the opportunity to parse it out

3007
02:08:30,480 --> 02:08:33,280
separately so that we can look at it and

3008
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:36,400
look at the opportunity for the phases

3009
02:08:36,400 --> 02:08:39,040
to um get the project going.

3010
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:40,320
>> Yes, absolutely.

3011
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:42,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

3012
02:08:42,800 --> 02:08:47,599
>> Thank you. Um, any additional comments

3013
02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:49,119
or feedback?

3014
02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:49,760
>> Yes.

3015
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:50,719
>> Thank you, Liz.

3016
02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:52,000
>> Council member Adams.

3017
02:08:52,000 --> 02:08:56,239
>> Thank you. Just one comment. Uh I I

3018
02:08:56,239 --> 02:08:59,840
don't like to waste paper, but on the

3019
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:02,560
preliminary plan options

3020
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:07,760
uh if you could consolidate plan A all

3021
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:11,520
in one page, plan B which has slop over

3022
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,079
to the next page. It's just really hard

3023
02:09:14,079 --> 02:09:15,920
to make a comparison. And so I would

3024
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:18,880
also recommend a chart that shows us

3025
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:22,079
because we go from 24 million to 33

3026
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:24,960
million and you can compare. Some take

3027
02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:27,040
three years, some take two and a half

3028
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:30,880
years. Uh and if there were a chart that

3029
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:34,159
summarized the key features, that might

3030
02:09:34,159 --> 02:09:37,599
be a helpful piece. I really loved

3031
02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:42,000
having the bigger versions of the uh

3032
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:45,920
plans. uh we don't have any elevations

3033
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:49,840
yet, but those interesting views of how

3034
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:54,960
the scale uh fits with different

3035
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:58,159
uh different buildings that exist right

3036
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:02,000
now. I think that's what that was. So,

3037
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,159
um if you can consolidate so it's easier

3038
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:06,800
for us to compare what's happening.

3039
02:10:06,800 --> 02:10:08,719
>> Sure. I are you referring to the visuals

3040
02:10:08,719 --> 02:10:10,239
that were included in the third

3041
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:12,079
attachment which was the assessment from

3042
02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:28,390
the the PD needs assessment

3043
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,760
» we were we were given a prior study from

3044
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:34,880
I think 2019 with different consultants

3045
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:37,840
with regard to the police. I think

3046
02:10:37,840 --> 02:10:39,360
that's what you're referring to. So,

3047
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:43,840
those plans are not developed by um our

3048
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:50,390
current consultants.

3049
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:52,560
So, it's just a referencing point as to

3050
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:56,320
where we have been and uh the study

3051
02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,079
session is going to allow us to look at

3052
02:10:58,079 --> 02:11:00,560
it uh with the latest version of it.

3053
02:11:00,560 --> 02:11:01,360
>> Yeah, absolutely.

3054
02:11:01,360 --> 02:11:02,159
>> That is helpful.

3055
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:04,480
>> Yes. but noted and we will make sure

3056
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:06,719
that the information is presented

3057
02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:08,639
clearly and in a way that you can you

3058
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:11,119
know understand the workflow and and and

3059
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:12,239
see the plans. Certainly

3060
02:11:12,239 --> 02:11:13,920
>> I I definitely appreciate it. I hadn't

3061
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:16,000
seen that study before. I had I had

3062
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:18,719
understood the um you know the seismic

3063
02:11:18,719 --> 02:11:21,440
issues and all that. So it was very uh

3064
02:11:21,440 --> 02:11:24,880
handy to to see those details and I and

3065
02:11:24,880 --> 02:11:27,599
I agree yeah the presentation when when

3066
02:11:27,599 --> 02:11:29,119
the consultants come in I liked all of

3067
02:11:29,119 --> 02:11:30,480
those suggestions. Thank you.

3068
02:11:30,480 --> 02:11:33,199
>> Yes. Yes.

3069
02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:36,320
Okay. Um, any additional comments or

3070
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:38,880
questions? Okay, this was informational.

3071
02:11:38,880 --> 02:11:40,079
Thank you so much.

3072
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:45,510
>> Thanks, Liz.

3073
02:11:45,520 --> 02:11:47,599
» Okay, the next item isformational

3074
02:11:47,599 --> 02:11:48,880
updates from the city council

3075
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,719
subcommittee. Well, sorry, that's what

3076
02:11:50,719 --> 02:11:53,760
we just did. It'sformational updates

3077
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,320
from city council items.

3078
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,440
um asking my colleagues to report um if

3079
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:01,840
there's anything to report from

3080
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:04,639
subcommittees or boards. Starting with

3081
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:07,840
council member Adams.

3082
02:12:07,840 --> 02:12:11,679
Thank you, Madame Mayor. Um this is um

3083
02:12:11,679 --> 02:12:17,199
my view at my table in Monteray at a

3084
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:18,880
very cool restaurant that I don't want

3085
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:21,599
to tell the name of because I don't want

3086
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:23,599
it to be overrun with people, but it is

3087
02:12:23,599 --> 02:12:26,239
called the Sandbar. And I just couldn't

3088
02:12:26,239 --> 02:12:28,639
help but tell you that's one one thing I

3089
02:12:28,639 --> 02:12:33,520
did in June. Uh next slide. Uh really

3090
02:12:33,520 --> 02:12:37,199
excited about something that u the Judah

3091
02:12:37,199 --> 02:12:39,679
family contributed. Council member

3092
02:12:39,679 --> 02:12:42,320
Krrolik was instrumental and was there

3093
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:45,679
and Natalie was there as well. This is a

3094
02:12:45,679 --> 02:12:48,560
healthy snack bar for our public works

3095
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:51,920
team and uh it's just really thrilling

3096
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:53,840
to see this kind of a partnership. I

3097
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:55,760
think this is what we're talking about,

3098
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,560
encouraging more of, but uh finding a

3099
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:01,119
wonderful family like the Judah family

3100
02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:04,000
uh to support it is a real thrill for

3101
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,800
everyone at public works. Wanted to

3102
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,960
acknowledge that. This is Stephanie

3103
02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:12,400
Judah, a cutting the ribbon. Uh next

3104
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:14,159
slide.

3105
02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:16,480
If you've ever wondered uh what it looks

3106
02:13:16,480 --> 02:13:19,920
like inside one of our tanks, uh it's

3107
02:13:19,920 --> 02:13:24,000
kind of a Star Wars set basically. Uh we

3108
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:28,320
are recotating the tank at uh Skyarm and

3109
02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:31,119
I just thought it was an extraordinary

3110
02:13:31,119 --> 02:13:33,440
thing to consider what's going on where

3111
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:35,760
we can't really see it. So we're really

3112
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:39,920
proud of that. Next,

3113
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:42,400
uh I really want to thank our water team

3114
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,800
that was coordinated by water supervisor

3115
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:47,520
Jeremy McMullen. He's been here many

3116
02:13:47,520 --> 02:13:50,719
times being recognized because uh in

3117
02:13:50,719 --> 02:13:53,840
this instance, for example, a water mane

3118
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:57,040
break happened at 11 p.m. on June 30th,

3119
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:59,920
and it was pretty much barely noticed uh

3120
02:13:59,920 --> 02:14:02,320
by those affected because they stayed

3121
02:14:02,320 --> 02:14:05,199
all night and repaired it around 6:00

3122
02:14:05,199 --> 02:14:08,400
a.m. So, great work to our public works

3123
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:12,159
department in every department. And uh

3124
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:14,639
here's a little closeup of the kinds of

3125
02:14:14,639 --> 02:14:17,199
work they're doing uh in the middle of

3126
02:14:17,199 --> 02:14:19,679
the night. So we appreciate them very

3127
02:14:19,679 --> 02:14:22,880
much. Next slide.

3128
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:26,560
And because we appreciate them so much,

3129
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:31,119
I asked if I could have an org chart to

3130
02:14:31,119 --> 02:14:33,920
know who they were and learn more of the

3131
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:37,119
names. And I just wanted to share.

3132
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:40,639
Here's the big version of it. Uh this is

3133
02:14:40,639 --> 02:14:45,040
a picture of everyone and how they fit

3134
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:48,400
together as a team. And yes, I'm doing

3135
02:14:48,400 --> 02:14:51,199
this to kind of go all the other

3136
02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:53,840
departments to do something similar

3137
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:57,199
because we really appreciate our staff

3138
02:14:57,199 --> 02:14:59,760
so much. But you're seeing them for such

3139
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:01,520
a short period of time and learning

3140
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:04,639
their names is really an important part

3141
02:15:04,639 --> 02:15:08,400
of our interaction as uh members of the

3142
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:11,199
council. Plus, it's terrific looking.

3143
02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:13,280
Yes, you have to update it as people

3144
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:17,520
come and go, but it's really a nifty

3145
02:15:17,520 --> 02:15:21,920
thing I'm very grateful for. Next,

3146
02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:25,760
uh I attended for Rethink Wastes uh

3147
02:15:25,760 --> 02:15:29,760
three board meetings in June, which was

3148
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:32,560
unusual, but uh we made up for it by no

3149
02:15:32,560 --> 02:15:35,760
meeting in July. And we did pass the

3150
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:38,719
budget for the refreshed educational

3151
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:41,119
center, which has been renamed the

3152
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:43,440
community courtyard, which I think is

3153
02:15:43,440 --> 02:15:46,079
much more appropriate than education.

3154
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:48,719
education's not the most attractive name

3155
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:51,280
for most people. So, this is really

3156
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:53,920
exciting. And as you can see, we're

3157
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:58,000
going to have uh the sort of sail that

3158
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:00,800
is there now and ripped uh with a a

3159
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:04,320
wooden structure made out of redwood. Uh

3160
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,719
there will be on the pergola there'll be

3161
02:16:06,719 --> 02:16:09,520
a table area that will be all planted.

3162
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:12,320
Uh we have redwood tables that are

3163
02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:13,520
coming. It's going to be really

3164
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:17,840
exciting. Next

3165
02:16:17,840 --> 02:16:20,639
uh telecommunication uh we are working

3166
02:16:20,639 --> 02:16:24,480
thanks to uh uh vice

3167
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:29,760
not mayor uh vice manager city manager

3168
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:32,960
my my I really without slides I can't

3169
02:16:32,960 --> 02:16:34,479
talk at the end of these meetings

3170
02:16:34,479 --> 02:16:36,880
telecommunications uh survey we're

3171
02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:39,359
working on some outreach Tobin Clark ad

3172
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:42,240
hawk ad hawk we're working on a phase

3173
02:16:42,240 --> 02:16:45,359
two an expansion to a subcommittee

3174
02:16:45,359 --> 02:16:47,439
uh commercial activity regulations ad

3175
02:16:47,439 --> 02:16:50,000
hoc committee also met and is working on

3176
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:53,280
edits. A public works uh commission I

3177
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,359
had a meeting there as well and there

3178
02:16:55,359 --> 02:17:00,080
was no HPF meeting in June next

3179
02:17:00,080 --> 02:17:04,479
and I just couldn't help it. This is

3180
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:07,840
what summer looks like if you drag

3181
02:17:07,840 --> 02:17:09,840
yourself to San Francisco and try to

3182
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:14,080
look at the fireworks and but uh this is

3183
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:17,200
the time of year when we have light and

3184
02:17:17,200 --> 02:17:19,679
we have food and family and fun and I

3185
02:17:19,679 --> 02:17:22,000
just want to encourage everybody to

3186
02:17:22,000 --> 02:17:29,190
enjoy right now.

3187
02:17:29,200 --> 02:17:35,190
Thank you. Um, Council Member Chong,

3188
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:38,719
» very briefly, um, we in June we host,

3189
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:40,719
uh, Hillsboro Neighborhood Network

3190
02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:43,679
hosted, uh, it's a speaker series, the

3191
02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:47,519
second series, and we have our own Dr.

3192
02:17:47,519 --> 02:17:50,160
Weinberg talk about defensible space on

3193
02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:53,920
behalf of Firewise. And we also have uh

3194
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:58,240
United Policy come and talk about um

3195
02:17:58,240 --> 02:18:00,960
emergency preparedness, the policy that

3196
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:02,960
is available and accessible to

3197
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:04,639
residents. And there were a lot of

3198
02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,040
questions. Uh we also have our city

3199
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,760
manager and our fire chief present. So

3200
02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:12,240
they were able to fill some of the

3201
02:18:12,240 --> 02:18:14,719
questions that our residents have. So we

3202
02:18:14,719 --> 02:18:17,599
do realize that insurance is part of the

3203
02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:20,000
interest that our residents are very

3204
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:24,160
much um engaged in uh because fair plan

3205
02:18:24,160 --> 02:18:28,559
is not offering a lot of options and um

3206
02:18:28,559 --> 02:18:32,479
so uh we'll continue to uh research on

3207
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:35,519
this project and uh this topic and then

3208
02:18:35,519 --> 02:18:38,319
hopefully be able to bring in bring back

3209
02:18:38,319 --> 02:18:41,599
uh more interesting subject for our uh

3210
02:18:41,599 --> 02:18:45,200
speaker series. Um and then end of June

3211
02:18:45,200 --> 02:18:48,880
uh we actually have um central county

3212
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:52,080
fire departments actually hosted a three

3213
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:56,080
days um three full days of train the

3214
02:18:56,080 --> 02:18:59,120
trainer for cert um we have about 30

3215
02:18:59,120 --> 02:19:03,519
students who or 30 participants uh who

3216
02:19:03,519 --> 02:19:07,519
are at the the at the end of the weekend

3217
02:19:07,519 --> 02:19:10,559
are officially receiving um certificates

3218
02:19:10,559 --> 02:19:15,120
and become an instructors for future classes. So, it's very exciting.

3219
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:17,840
I think that we're really um building

3220
02:19:17,840 --> 02:19:19,840
the team and then trying to get more

3221
02:19:19,840 --> 02:19:23,200
people engaged in training and also uh

3222
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:26,399
to be able to teach others um to get

3223
02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:28,800
ready and get prepared. So, uh very

3224
02:19:28,800 --> 02:19:32,319
proud of Central County Fire

3225
02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:36,319
instructors and um uh and we'll just

3226
02:19:36,319 --> 02:19:40,639
continue to, you know, um go forward

3227
02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:42,960
with it. Thank you. And and the other

3228
02:19:42,960 --> 02:19:44,639
thing that I do want to say, I want to

3229
02:19:44,639 --> 02:19:47,120
compliment the youth committees for

3230
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:51,600
putting on a terrific uh prime events.

3231
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:56,160
It was well done and it was really just

3232
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,240
nicely incorporated to hear all these

3233
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:00,720
young people talk about their

3234
02:20:00,720 --> 02:20:05,840
experience. So really appreciate that.

3235
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:07,520
>> Thank you, Council Member Chuang. Um,

3236
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:10,319
Council Member Cruic,

3237
02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:12,080
>> I was going to start with Pride. It was

3238
02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:13,760
great and it was great the youth youth

3239
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:17,280
commission took it over. Um, I would

3240
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:19,920
like a paper copy of that public works

3241
02:20:19,920 --> 02:20:22,080
org chart. That is great. It's a little

3242
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:24,000
small to see it on the screen. So, that

3243
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:27,040
is great. And would love I don't know if

3244
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:29,840
HPD has updated its roster, but would

3245
02:20:29,840 --> 02:20:31,600
love I know you've got some more people

3246
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:33,120
would love to see that. That's just a

3247
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:35,760
request. And just wanted to add on about

3248
02:20:35,760 --> 02:20:38,399
the Judah family's um support of public

3249
02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:40,319
works with the healthy food initiative.

3250
02:20:40,319 --> 02:20:42,640
They not only supplied all the equipment

3251
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:46,800
to keep it cold and fresh, but um they

3252
02:20:46,800 --> 02:20:48,960
have put together a fund so that public

3253
02:20:48,960 --> 02:20:51,600
works can continue to keep this the the

3254
02:20:51,600 --> 02:20:55,760
healthy food um uh supplied. Um an

3255
02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:59,439
update on Concore. It was really a

3256
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:01,359
wonderful show. I understand. I was

3257
02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:02,960
actually overseas, but I've seen

3258
02:21:02,960 --> 02:21:05,359
pictures. And next month, Rob Fischer

3259
02:21:05,359 --> 02:21:07,120
will come and give a presentation on the

3260
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:10,479
concore. Um, we want to welcome Jennifer

3261
02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:12,399
Huey to building and planning, our

3262
02:21:12,399 --> 02:21:15,600
senior planner, and she doubled the

3263
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:17,680
number of projects that we usually have

3264
02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:20,399
at ADRB. So, the June um meeting was

3265
02:21:20,399 --> 02:21:23,359
quite a robust meeting. Um, and then

3266
02:21:23,359 --> 02:21:26,479
finally, uh, just a quick update on 40

3267
02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:30,720
Baywood. um the state did uh grant them

3268
02:21:30,720 --> 02:21:34,319
their taxexempt um status and now they

3269
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:36,399
have submitted paperwork to the county.

3270
02:21:36,399 --> 02:21:39,200
So that is moving along. Uh thank you

3271
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:41,520
very much.

3272
02:21:41,520 --> 02:21:46,080
>> Thank you. Um Vice Mayor Braxdale,

3273
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:49,680
>> thank you. Um I thought it's summer,

3274
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:51,280
there's nothing going on, and then I

3275
02:21:51,280 --> 02:21:53,040
went through my calendar, I was like,

3276
02:21:53,040 --> 02:21:56,240
oh, it was it was very busy. So, uh,

3277
02:21:56,240 --> 02:22:00,640
next slide. Um, ebikes. Um, very

3278
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:04,000
exciting. The, um, the pilot project for

3279
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:06,319
Sanonteo County where you have to be,

3280
02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:10,399
um, 12 or older to ride an ebike has

3281
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:14,960
gone to the next stage. Um, it then the last thing, well, second to last

3282
02:22:14,960 --> 02:22:17,600
thing it will be before the Senate uh,

3283
02:22:17,600 --> 02:22:20,479
full the full floor and then hopefully

3284
02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:22,240
gets passed and then it goes to the

3285
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:24,640
governor. So, stay tuned on that. And

3286
02:22:24,640 --> 02:22:28,319
then today uh in the USA Today, our very

3287
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:32,080
own Dr. Blake Taylor uh had an opinion

3288
02:22:32,080 --> 02:22:34,880
piece that his mom Nadine helped a lot

3289
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:37,760
with that's fantastic about the

3290
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:42,640
realities of uh being a neurosurgeon and trauma surgeon and operating on

3291
02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:45,600
someone with ebike injuries. So, um I

3292
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:48,960
would say check that out. And um Mandy

3293
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:51,920
Brown was super helpful updating our

3294
02:22:51,920 --> 02:22:54,560
already amazing website because they

3295
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:57,840
linked our website uh in the article. So

3296
02:22:57,840 --> 02:22:59,760
we are now nationally known for our

3297
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:04,160
ebike expertise. So thank you Mandy. Uh

3298
02:23:04,160 --> 02:23:06,560
next slide.

3299
02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:10,319
Um oh I I was able to go to the new um

3300
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:13,200
the groundbreaking for the Crocker.

3301
02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:15,280
They're putting up a new um

3302
02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:18,080
multi-purpose room. uh they call it

3303
02:23:18,080 --> 02:23:20,399
Crocker Commons, a rendering of it of

3304
02:23:20,399 --> 02:23:22,479
it, the new facilities on the right and

3305
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:24,720
then the left. I just thought that was a

3306
02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:26,640
cool picture with the equipment that's

3307
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:29,680
tearing down the old MPR. Um and that

3308
02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,040
was the thing I was going to mention to

3309
02:23:31,040 --> 02:23:33,520
the Crocker alums that were here. they

3310
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:36,479
did before they um took down the old

3311
02:23:36,479 --> 02:23:39,120
murals, they did um it's on their

3312
02:23:39,120 --> 02:23:41,120
website somewhere or on the construction

3313
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:43,040
website maybe or the school website,

3314
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:46,080
they did a video of all the old murals

3315
02:23:46,080 --> 02:23:48,960
and so you can stop it and screenshot it

3316
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:51,120
and send it to your um your Crocker

3317
02:23:51,120 --> 02:23:53,359
alums. So, it is it is pretty cool. I

3318
02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:56,080
know my uh twins enjoyed that. Uh next

3319
02:23:56,080 --> 02:23:58,800
slide.

3320
02:23:58,800 --> 02:24:01,040
And then uh the mayor and I were at the

3321
02:24:01,040 --> 02:24:03,840
prek promotion ceremony. I didn't want

3322
02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:05,760
to put up pictures of kids I didn't have

3323
02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:07,280
permission to show, so it's not that

3324
02:24:07,280 --> 02:24:09,040
great of a slide, but it was it was a

3325
02:24:09,040 --> 02:24:14,720
great day. They are so adorable. They do dances and um they're with their

3326
02:24:14,720 --> 02:24:16,880
parents and they are so they are so

3327
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:19,520
proud. And this was up at uh Vista Park

3328
02:24:19,520 --> 02:24:21,600
because um they're already starting

3329
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:23,840
construction at the various locations.

3330
02:24:23,840 --> 02:24:27,429
Next slide.

3331
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:29,920
uh just some different things that I've

3332
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:31,680
done that people have already mentioned.

3333
02:24:31,680 --> 02:24:35,120
Uh uh of course our own uh Dr. Weinberg

3334
02:24:35,120 --> 02:24:37,280
did an amazing presentation. Thank you

3335
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:41,439
very much. Um and then I did watch uh a

3336
02:24:41,439 --> 02:24:43,520
webinar by the state insurance

3337
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:45,200
commission and I was like I know all

3338
02:24:45,200 --> 02:24:48,080
this already after H&N speaker series.

3339
02:24:48,080 --> 02:24:52,160
So um great job. Uh the youth commission

3340
02:24:52,160 --> 02:24:53,680
really knocked it out of the park and

3341
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:54,960
they did something different. Last year

3342
02:24:54,960 --> 02:24:57,200
they had live music and this year they

3343
02:24:57,200 --> 02:25:00,160
did an amazing um presentation on the

3344
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:03,359
history of LGBTQ famous people and it

3345
02:25:03,359 --> 02:25:05,840
was it was really really well done and I

3346
02:25:05,840 --> 02:25:07,359
love that they they're making it their

3347
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:08,960
own and and shaking it up with what

3348
02:25:08,960 --> 02:25:11,040
their interests and abilities are. I

3349
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:13,520
loved it. Um, oh, our California

3350
02:25:13,520 --> 02:25:15,439
Association of Youth Commissions, which

3351
02:25:15,439 --> 02:25:18,319
our own youth commissioners started. Um,

3352
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:21,680
Rohan Dalal and Ana Dal. Um, they're

3353
02:25:21,680 --> 02:25:24,080
doing a virtual summer internship

3354
02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:27,120
program and they have 56 interns and I

3355
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:28,880
welcome them at their their first

3356
02:25:28,880 --> 02:25:32,080
meeting and u she's taking them all. She

3357
02:25:32,080 --> 02:25:34,640
and her fellow commissioners are taking

3358
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:36,560
them all up to a day in Sacramento and

3359
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:39,600
she's arranging meetings and tours and

3360
02:25:39,600 --> 02:25:42,080
it's just fantastic for those kids and

3361
02:25:42,080 --> 02:25:45,840
done all by the kids. Um I attended with

3362
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:47,520
council member Schwang. We were at the

3363
02:25:47,520 --> 02:25:49,840
resiliency hall at Sano County Event

3364
02:25:49,840 --> 02:25:53,280
Center. They're opening up huge kitchen.

3365
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:55,120
Uh I think I had a picture of that but I

3366
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:58,399
have too many pictures. Um and um it's

3367
02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:00,960
amazing and they they not only if in an

3368
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,760
emergency they can feed a ton of people

3369
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:06,000
who you know lost their lost their homes

3370
02:26:06,000 --> 02:26:08,000
or access to their homes but in the

3371
02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:10,880
meantime small businesses can rent it

3372
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:13,280
out and um it could be a test kitchen

3373
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:15,520
for um small businesses especially

3374
02:26:15,520 --> 02:26:18,880
minority owned businesses to um have a

3375
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:20,800
kitchen space. So it's a fantastic use

3376
02:26:20,800 --> 02:26:24,080
of space. Um and then um the mayor and I

3377
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:26,080
went to the council of cities dinner in

3378
02:26:26,080 --> 02:26:28,800
East PaloAlto. I did not know they

3379
02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:30,560
didn't have a town hall. They have a

3380
02:26:30,560 --> 02:26:32,560
place to meet, but they don't have a

3381
02:26:32,560 --> 02:26:34,080
town hall and they're just kind of

3382
02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:37,040
spread all over the place. But um they

3383
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:38,880
are getting some hopefully getting some

3384
02:26:38,880 --> 02:26:42,080
funding from Lorine Powell Jobs um

3385
02:26:42,080 --> 02:26:43,760
foundation and they're working on

3386
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:46,640
putting together a um town hall. And

3387
02:26:46,640 --> 02:26:50,710
next slide.

3388
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:53,439
West Light Energy. I've been talking

3389
02:26:53,439 --> 02:26:56,640
about it for so long. Um, Peninsula

3390
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:59,680
Clean Energy is now West Light Energy.

3391
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:02,560
Um, you it's it's now everywhere. Quick

3392
02:27:02,560 --> 02:27:03,840
little story. I have no sense of

3393
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:06,319
direction and so I was typing in

3394
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:08,560
something or doing something at at the

3395
02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:12,399
stoplight. Um, and I see my uh on my

3396
02:27:12,399 --> 02:27:14,960
Apple Maps and I was I see prior

3397
02:27:14,960 --> 02:27:16,880
locations and it already said West Light

3398
02:27:16,880 --> 02:27:18,319
Energy instead of Peninsula Clean

3399
02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:20,479
Energy. So, they've really worked to get

3400
02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:23,040
the name everywhere and uh it will be on

3401
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:25,359
your PG bill, the the next one coming in

3402
02:27:25,359 --> 02:27:29,600
mid July. Um, and then they have um I

3403
02:27:29,600 --> 02:27:32,160
love this idea for when you're on a

3404
02:27:32,160 --> 02:27:34,080
board, you know, you get to know the

3405
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:36,800
people that come present to you. Uh,

3406
02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,800
commute.org or Bosa, they each have nine

3407
02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:39,920
employees. So, I know all their

3408
02:27:39,920 --> 02:27:41,760
employees by by name. They all come to

3409
02:27:41,760 --> 02:27:44,960
all the meetings, but um uh West Light

3410
02:27:44,960 --> 02:27:47,359
Energy is about 68 employees, so you

3411
02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:48,800
don't know them all. And they also have

3412
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:51,120
a remote first policy. So you just know

3413
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:53,040
the one the people that present to you.

3414
02:27:53,040 --> 02:27:55,359
But they have a quarterly staff retreat

3415
02:27:55,359 --> 02:27:57,439
and each time they invite a board member

3416
02:27:57,439 --> 02:28:00,160
to do a fireside chat and talk about

3417
02:28:00,160 --> 02:28:02,240
your your leadership style, why you

3418
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:03,920
became involved in public service, but

3419
02:28:03,920 --> 02:28:05,840
also talk about your town because

3420
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:08,560
there's a lot of towns and um they get

3421
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:10,880
to know individual towns that way. So I

3422
02:28:10,880 --> 02:28:12,160
thought that was a it was a great idea

3423
02:28:12,160 --> 02:28:14,800
and I was honored to be to be asked. Uh

3424
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:18,230
next slide.

3425
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:20,560
Oh, and also Westside Energy back when

3426
02:28:20,560 --> 02:28:23,040
it was PCE. I had mentioned this before,

3427
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,040
but I was able to go to their the

3428
02:28:25,040 --> 02:28:26,960
reception for the best places to work

3429
02:28:26,960 --> 02:28:29,840
award and that is our CEO and the head

3430
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:33,040
of what we call HR, but head of um

3431
02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:35,120
people and culture and it was a fun

3432
02:28:35,120 --> 02:28:39,760
event up at um the Topgolf and next

3433
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:42,960
slide might be it.

3434
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:46,960
Oh, and then just meetings. Um, like I

3435
02:28:46,960 --> 02:28:48,720
said, it's been busy for some reason.

3436
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:50,640
And, uh, next slide. I think that might

3437
02:28:50,640 --> 02:28:52,479
be it.

3438
02:28:52,479 --> 02:28:55,520
That's it. Thank you.

3439
02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:57,680
>> Yeah, you were quite busy. Um, thank

3440
02:28:57,680 --> 02:29:01,359
you. Um, as stated by my colleagues, um,

3441
02:29:01,359 --> 02:29:03,760
I'm in some of these meetings. Um,

3442
02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:06,479
however, I tend to um the things I tend

3443
02:29:06,479 --> 02:29:08,399
to remember the most are the one-on-one

3444
02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:09,680
conversations I had with a few

3445
02:29:09,680 --> 02:29:13,200
residents, especially regarding um the

3446
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:15,120
tree the vegetation management that's

3447
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:17,520
been going on in town by PG&E

3448
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:20,479
contractors and other individuals. Um, I

3449
02:29:20,479 --> 02:29:23,439
had several outreach from residents with

3450
02:29:23,439 --> 02:29:25,120
concerns or complaints or

3451
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:27,280
recommendations or suggestions as to how

3452
02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:29,600
some of the vegetation management could

3453
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:32,960
be handled um could be better handled.

3454
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:37,040
Um, I know that our Firewise uh staff, I

3455
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:40,160
mean, Firewise volunteers, certainly not

3456
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:43,600
staff, the most the most generous of

3457
02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:46,640
residents volunteers were involved this

3458
02:29:46,640 --> 02:29:48,800
past month and probably continues in

3459
02:29:48,800 --> 02:29:50,800
terms of the work they've been doing uh

3460
02:29:50,800 --> 02:29:52,560
regarding working with residents on

3461
02:29:52,560 --> 02:29:54,240
vegetation management for fire

3462
02:29:54,240 --> 02:29:56,640
prevention and fire mitigation. So,

3463
02:29:56,640 --> 02:29:58,800
thanks again. I see Dr. Weinberg is here

3464
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:02,560
as well. So, thanks uh to Firewise uh

3465
02:30:02,560 --> 02:30:04,080
volunteers who continue to work

3466
02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:09,359
diligently on that issue. Um I yes, as

3467
02:30:09,359 --> 02:30:11,520
uh council member Crowley pointed out,

3468
02:30:11,520 --> 02:30:13,520
we're making progress on the Baywood

3469
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:16,160
property. It's things are coming along

3470
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:18,800
have to deal with states and county and

3471
02:30:18,800 --> 02:30:21,359
those conversations continue. Our

3472
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:24,880
discussion on the Tobin Clark um project

3473
02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:27,120
is making progress as well. We did do a

3474
02:30:27,120 --> 02:30:28,880
presentation last month to the council

3475
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:31,359
and the residents and we'll continue our

3476
02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:33,520
frequent meetings and moving the ball

3477
02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:36,560
forward. Um CCFD discussions are

3478
02:30:36,560 --> 02:30:38,319
underway regarding our joint

3479
02:30:38,319 --> 02:30:40,240
partnerships especially as it pertains

3480
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:43,520
to funding. So we'll be reporting to you

3481
02:30:43,520 --> 02:30:45,359
um in the future and hopefully in the

3482
02:30:45,359 --> 02:30:48,319
near future as to where things stand.

3483
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:51,760
And by far one of my most fun events

3484
02:30:51,760 --> 02:30:55,359
last month was the prek graduation. That

3485
02:30:55,359 --> 02:30:59,040
was certainly a fun meeting to go to. It

3486
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:00,720
wasn't a meeting, it was a party and it

3487
02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:03,040
was fun with with the prek four year

3488
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:06,399
olds. I did spend a good amount of time

3489
02:31:06,399 --> 02:31:09,040
in June traveling. I went hiking on a

3490
02:31:09,040 --> 02:31:12,080
all women's trip in Portugal. Lots of

3491
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:17,670
fun. That's it. Thank you.

3492
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:20,080
Any um additional

3493
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:21,760
questions or comments before we close

3494
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:22,960
the meeting?

3495
02:31:22,960 --> 02:31:26,160
>> Ah, yes. Just really quickly uh because

3496
02:31:26,160 --> 02:31:28,800
our um council mentioned about the

3497
02:31:28,800 --> 02:31:31,680
Semitel event center. The semitile event

3498
02:31:31,680 --> 02:31:34,640
center is our emergency preparedness

3499
02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:36,399
gathering place like if there's

3500
02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:38,720
evacuation that is the ideal place and

3501
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:42,800
it's is destined to be the emergency

3502
02:31:42,800 --> 02:31:45,520
areas for um because they have the

3503
02:31:45,520 --> 02:31:47,359
kitchen, they have the shower facility,

3504
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:49,200
they have gathering place, they have

3505
02:31:49,200 --> 02:31:51,120
areas where they can house the larger

3506
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:55,200
animals. So there's it you now look at

3507
02:31:55,200 --> 02:31:57,359
um event centers in a different light

3508
02:31:57,359 --> 02:32:00,080
because there are multiple layers of u

3509
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:02,720
functionalities in that. So just want to

3510
02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:03,840
mention that.

3511
02:32:03,840 --> 02:32:05,840
>> Thank you. Um seeing no additional

3512
02:32:05,840 --> 02:32:08,240
comments um this meeting is now

3513
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:12,240
adjourned. Thank you.