1 00:00:02,399 --> 00:00:04,799 Good afternoon. Um, the Hillsboro City 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:07,919 Council meeting is called to order. Um, 3 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:09,519 city clerk, may we please have a roll 4 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:10,400 call. 5 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:12,240 >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Adams, 6 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:12,880 >> present. 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:13,519 >> Schwang, 8 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:14,000 >> present. 9 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:14,639 >> Crow, 10 00:00:14,639 --> 00:00:15,120 >> present. 11 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,000 >> Ragdale, 12 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,480 >> present. 13 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,199 >> Cole, 14 00:00:17,199 --> 00:00:17,840 >> present. 15 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:22,880 >> Thank you. Um just to um let our 16 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,039 residents who are in chambers as well as 17 00:00:25,039 --> 00:00:26,720 residents listening from home first of 18 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,359 all welcome and um we have a long 19 00:00:29,359 --> 00:00:31,279 afternoon today long afternoon into the 20 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:33,360 evening. We will be starting uh the 21 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,280 study session specifically um around um 22 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,239 the town hall redesign and we will 23 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:43,920 subsequently around 4:30 um adjourn to 24 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,320 close session and then come back for the 25 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,920 regular city council meeting at 6 p.m. 26 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:57,510 So, um, we will start this study session 27 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,879 regarding the town hall, excuse me, 28 00:01:00,879 --> 00:01:02,480 regarding the town hall plan 29 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,040 alternatives review and discussion and 30 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,760 that will be presented by our assistant 31 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:09,360 director of building and planning, Liz 32 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:10,560 Ruiz. 33 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,000 >> Hello, Ruiz. 34 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,159 >> Good evening or I guess afternoon still. 35 00:01:14,159 --> 00:01:14,960 >> Good afternoon. Yes, 36 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:16,720 >> thank you for coming early for this. 37 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,159 >> Yeah. Um this afternoon the council will 38 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:21,759 receive a presentation from the 39 00:01:21,759 --> 00:01:23,119 consultants that have been working on 40 00:01:23,119 --> 00:01:26,159 the town hall um complex project with 41 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:29,280 that's EHDD and Red Dot Studio. Um, but 42 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:31,040 I just wanted to provide a brief 43 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,720 reminder for the council and for any 44 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,680 members of the public um that at the 45 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,400 September 8th meeting in 2025, the city 46 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,200 council received an update on the 47 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,240 project's uh development and the council 48 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,320 confirmed several assumptions about the 49 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:49,040 project at that time and provided 50 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,640 direction to staff and to the 51 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,560 consultants to continue exploring 52 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,079 opportunities 53 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:58,000 um to develop site alternative plans. Uh 54 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,680 since that time, the city council 55 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,320 subcommittee has met. Those were public 56 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,159 meetings that were open to members of 57 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:08,560 the community. Um and ultimately the 58 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,080 subcommittee has worked with the 59 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,640 consultant and utilizing feedback from 60 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:14,959 the members of the community have 61 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:17,440 identified two preferred site plans and 62 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,800 those are going to be presented to the 63 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,400 full council and the community this 64 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,720 evening or afternoon. 65 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,560 Um and then there will be an opportunity 66 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,640 for discussion. Staff is seeking policy 67 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:33,040 direction from the council regarding the 68 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,000 conceptual plans. Um and I'm happy to 69 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:37,680 after the presentation remind the 70 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,680 council of of what that is, but 71 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:44,239 ultimately um there's no decision being 72 00:02:44,239 --> 00:02:46,400 requested of the city council this 73 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,480 afternoon. We're hoping that the council 74 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,720 will receive the presentation and then 75 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,840 discuss the site plan alternatives and 76 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,920 ultimately provide direction to staff, 77 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:57,840 but there'll be opportunity after the 78 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,760 presentation to ask staff and the 79 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,440 consultants any questions um that arise. 80 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,840 With that, I would like to introduce um 81 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:13,030 y uh Karen from Red Dot Studio. 82 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,959 » Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to 83 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:16,800 be back here today and thank my 84 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,280 colleagues as well from EHD with um 85 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,560 thank you Mayor Cole, Vice Mayor 86 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,879 Rexdale, Supervisor Cole. It's been nice 87 00:03:22,879 --> 00:03:25,280 to get you and other council members. As 88 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,840 we run through this, um, we're going to 89 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,640 start with a really brief overview of 90 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:32,879 how we came up with a with the 91 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:35,040 qualitative the quantitative metrics 92 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,959 that went into the study between 93 00:03:36,959 --> 00:03:39,280 establishing the data that you received 94 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,159 from that was that you already had 95 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,920 before we got started um documenting 96 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:51,519 conducting site visits. We conducted um 97 00:03:51,519 --> 00:03:54,239 we conducted a survey to to the town's 98 00:03:54,239 --> 00:03:56,799 people and then the the council contin 99 00:03:56,799 --> 00:03:59,519 excuse me the town continued to conduct 100 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:02,080 constituent surveys. We refined it. We 101 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,120 looked at scopes and that began the 102 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,519 process. Um last time we were here was a 103 00:04:07,519 --> 00:04:09,519 visioning session in the council 104 00:04:09,519 --> 00:04:11,840 chambers. We had a subcommittee meeting 105 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,920 that took us all the way through 106 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,560 answering some very big questions about 107 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,120 the site constraints and about what the 108 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,199 site parameters would be. Looking at 109 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:22,960 whether we would move the water line or 110 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,040 not, deciding not to, looking at whether 111 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,120 we would considering acquiring an 112 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,680 adjacent property or not, and getting to 113 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,479 this last section over here where 114 00:04:32,479 --> 00:04:34,880 there's two areas that we were asked to 115 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,360 bring forward. One was called um the 116 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,720 boulevard scheme and the mountain 117 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,759 scheme. So we moved forward with those 118 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:44,320 and those were taking into account 119 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,000 putting housing closer to um El Camino 120 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,759 and 121 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,720 um getting the adjacent property at 722 122 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,720 Walnut. 123 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,440 These were a set of words and criteria 124 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,520 that came through our our um both 125 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,199 visioning sessions that we did and also 126 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:04,720 that the town had done before the 127 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,039 consultant team joined. Um one thing 128 00:05:07,039 --> 00:05:09,840 that came across very loud and clear was 129 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:12,720 to try to avoid underground parking. And 130 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,600 so that brings us to the two where we've 131 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,080 had some guy two um concepts we're going 132 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,639 to go to for the first one looking at 133 00:05:20,639 --> 00:05:24,000 civic ridge line. 134 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:29,840 There's a beautiful hillside that that Sam that Hillsboro sits on and we 135 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,720 have the idea of taking that hillside 136 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,160 and setting the town hall within a park 137 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,039 light setting where we're actually using 138 00:05:39,039 --> 00:05:42,400 both the southern skyline ridge trail as 139 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,520 our muse as well as the um historic 140 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,840 cottages of Hillsbor with their 141 00:05:47,840 --> 00:05:50,400 cascading roof lines. So the town hall 142 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:52,800 concept has its form from both the 143 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,520 hillside and the homes here creating a 144 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,919 civic landmark within a townlike set a 145 00:05:57,919 --> 00:06:01,600 park-like setting. That first site plan 146 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,629 um 147 00:06:04,639 --> 00:06:07,360 is there is there a way I can use the 148 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:13,029 mounts on this or is not really. 149 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:16,800 » So we've we disabled the red dot just so 150 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:17,919 the zoom people 151 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:22,000 >> Okay, got it. So, um, on the northern 152 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,479 side of the screen would be the police 153 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:28,960 portion of town hall and on the the 154 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,680 opposite side would be where there where 155 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,160 the plaza is would be both the EOC and 156 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,639 the chambers and the town hall building 157 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:39,039 that across Walnut Street there would be 158 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:42,000 a uh there would be a plaza there. You 159 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,600 can see I'm going to actually go to the 160 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,759 next slide where there's more labels. 161 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:48,639 Um, so you can actually see that the 162 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,199 number one is the entry both from the 163 00:06:51,199 --> 00:06:54,000 plaza side as well as from a d back 164 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,800 parking side. Number two is a community 165 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,039 as well as an emergency operations 166 00:06:59,039 --> 00:07:02,000 command center. Number three is chambers 167 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,280 greeting you off the plaza. Um, number 168 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:07,599 five is the Veterans Memorial and 169 00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:10,639 Centennial Park. You can see also on the 170 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:12,880 screen the blue cars and the black cars 171 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,840 being a way to distinguish between towns 172 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,759 people coming and the police going into 173 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:21,199 their secure parking areas. Uh we've 174 00:07:21,199 --> 00:07:23,440 been asked and been told by constituents 175 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,360 that mailrop is very important. So 176 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,039 letting you know that it stays there as 177 00:07:27,039 --> 00:07:29,759 well as bike parking. There's pedestrian 178 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:32,479 crosswalks for traffic safety. The 179 00:07:32,479 --> 00:07:35,520 dotted blue line is the water line. So 180 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,479 the water line goes under the new plaza. 181 00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:41,280 Both chambers and the community room can 182 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,919 empty and and flow out to the plaza 183 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:46,479 allowing allowing times like light up 184 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:48,479 the town and other events to happen 185 00:07:48,479 --> 00:07:52,000 right on that plaza. 186 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,319 You can see it here in an axonometric 187 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:56,560 where the building slopes down to the 188 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,720 street creating a more pedestrian scale 189 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,759 along Florabunda. Housing is in the back 190 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:04,960 corner, visually secondary to town hall, 191 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,199 but having its own front yard and its 192 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,919 own access closer to Flora Bunda. 193 00:08:11,919 --> 00:08:14,160 There's a sense of how we might be able 194 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,080 to phase this. So you would deconstruct 195 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,759 town hall. That would be the number one 196 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:23,919 there. You would police would be able to 197 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:26,639 continue to operate pretty much in its 198 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:28,879 same location using the El Camino 199 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:32,080 entrance. Um, perhaps town hall 200 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:33,760 operations could go over to the 201 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,880 town-owned residential lot. Then police 202 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,200 and town hall could be built. Then 203 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,279 police could be constructed. Housing 204 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:43,200 could be constructed. And you could 205 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,360 deconstruct the building at Florabunda 206 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,360 to make the parking lot and complete the 207 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,760 plan. So there's a phased approach that 208 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,399 could happen with this. 209 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:54,880 to give you a sense of the plaza and the 210 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,959 side entrance into the community room. 211 00:08:56,959 --> 00:08:59,440 You can see how you flow through to the 212 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,160 plaza as well as into chambers. 213 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,720 And there's a sense of how the building 214 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,000 itself has the is oriented well for 215 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:11,839 resilient energy. So there could be 216 00:09:11,839 --> 00:09:15,040 integrated PVs on the roof. The water 217 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,920 can cascade down and be collected. Um so 218 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,000 rainwater harvesting can reduce water 219 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,360 demand. The Clarastory windows allow 220 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,160 healthy daylit spaces with low carbon 221 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,880 construction through mass timber. 222 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,080 The landscape pallet also in increases 223 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,800 community wellness by the shaded plaza 224 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,880 having a place for people to engage 225 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,279 permeable parking as well as shielded 226 00:09:39,279 --> 00:09:41,680 native hedge and green infrastructure 227 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:44,480 filter filtering water and creating 228 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,519 resilient landscapes. 229 00:09:47,519 --> 00:09:49,279 giving a bit of a view from the floor 230 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:52,959 abundance side. So you can see the EOC 231 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:57,590 community room as a beacon. 232 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,839 Okay. And now we're getting to the 233 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:02,800 second concept, Town LA. We previously 234 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,440 called this one Boulevard. And as it um 235 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,399 as it as it changed, what we hope to do 236 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:10,640 is be able to fit the police housing 237 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,399 underneath the building. So, the 238 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,040 articulation changed a bit, but we're 239 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,560 still considering this a a sort of 240 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:20,880 villagel-like setting um with a 241 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,800 residential scale that comes through 242 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,440 creating a civic heart and a civic plaza 243 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,760 arranged around a courtyard and an allay 244 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:29,760 of trees. 245 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,839 This in this plan, the forward building 246 00:10:31,839 --> 00:10:35,519 across Flora Bunda is town hall. Housing 247 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:38,320 is off of El Camino. That housing is in 248 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,360 shown in white and it has um parking 249 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,160 podium parking underneath housing. 250 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,399 Police is across the back of the lot. 251 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:48,560 You can still see it has moved as close 252 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,519 as we can to El Camino with a secure lot 253 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:54,480 and a secure driveway behind housing. Uh 254 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,480 so we're giving a little bit of buffer 255 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,680 to the the residences in Berling game. 256 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:02,320 Walnut Avenue here remains where it is 257 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,160 located. So you can see that the water 258 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,320 line continues to run across Walnut 259 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Avenue and the triangle lot gets remade 260 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,600 into a different parking area. What's 261 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,079 nice about this one is it starts to keep 262 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:19,839 the adjacent um 263 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:22,399 the adjacent town owned building town 264 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:24,480 owned 265 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,959 a residence. 266 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:29,920 So town hall is two stories. Number 267 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:31,760 three indicates chambers kind of 268 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,000 greeting you at the end. As you come 269 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,040 into the parking behind town hall, you 270 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,079 see number one is entries into the lobby 271 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:42,640 for both police and town hall. The 272 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,360 community and EOC can spill out onto the 273 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,480 plaza allowing Centennial Park and 274 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,720 Veterans Memorial to be under a trellis 275 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,360 area. Police is three stories towards 276 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:58,949 the back of the of the property. Um 277 00:11:58,959 --> 00:12:01,360 and housing is four. So you can begin to 278 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,160 see this as it plays out on the site and 279 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,079 in relative heights to the surrounding 280 00:12:06,079 --> 00:12:08,240 neighborhoods. The housing being closer 281 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,639 to El Camino of a different scale and 282 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:12,959 then dropping down to more residential 283 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:17,200 scale as you move back into the site. 284 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,720 Phasing for this um in this case, police 285 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,519 would be deconstructed first. Um, town 286 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:26,399 hall potentially can operate in 1640 287 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:28,560 Florabunda and police potentially can 288 00:12:28,560 --> 00:12:30,959 operate in town hall. Then you would be 289 00:12:30,959 --> 00:12:33,680 able to build police and housing and 290 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:35,600 then follow through with deconstructing 291 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,440 town hall, building the new town hall 292 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:42,069 and parking. 293 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:44,399 This is a sense of looking into chambers 294 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:46,560 and looking into the allay of trees 295 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:51,269 between police and town hall. 296 00:12:51,279 --> 00:12:54,399 This what this project this concept 297 00:12:54,399 --> 00:12:56,399 could have more thermal comfort through 298 00:12:56,399 --> 00:12:59,120 passive and thermal mass enduring 299 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,680 materials of wood and stone and stucco 300 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:04,560 covered walkways for year round access 301 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:08,160 and down at a neighborhood scale. 302 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:09,760 The courtyard village would have 303 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,399 sheltered gathering spaces between the 304 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:15,760 community room and police treeline paths 305 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,760 allowing a classic courtyard um features 306 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,680 as well as green screening for the 307 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:24,320 parking. This is the idea of looking 308 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:28,639 down floor abunda towards the um town 309 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:30,959 hall. 310 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:33,680 And with that, let's talk about costs. 311 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:36,399 It's important to note that these costs 312 00:13:36,399 --> 00:13:40,000 are escalated to 2030, an approximate 313 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,240 midpoint of construction, but that is 314 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,880 where the escalation is going towards. 315 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,600 The total project costs range between 316 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,800 221 and 226. 317 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,200 That does include both soft and hard 318 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,760 cost. In the middle column, you can see 319 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,720 the hard costs. And then as we work over 320 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,639 to the other side, you can see the cost 321 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:02,079 per square foot for different 322 00:14:02,079 --> 00:14:03,519 components. 323 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:05,199 Um, 324 00:14:05,199 --> 00:14:07,279 and I know there's probably plenty of 325 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:08,800 questions, so I want to give you the 326 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,720 chance to ask them and we can circle 327 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,800 back to more details on any of those 328 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,959 slides. Thank you. 329 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:17,760 >> Um, thank you for the presentation. Um, 330 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,440 I will turn to my colleagues to ask for 331 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,519 clarifying questions and we'll come back 332 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:25,839 for more discussion before we go and 333 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:29,199 then go to the um any um questions from 334 00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:32,079 just for clarification. Um it Vice Mayor 335 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,639 Ragdale and Council Member Crowley are 336 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:36,480 both on the subcommittee and have been 337 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,880 meeting with you um over the past um 338 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,760 couple of years. Correct. Yeah. Any 339 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,360 questions from the council? 340 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:45,680 >> Yes, 341 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,839 >> I have questions, but I would defer to 342 00:14:47,839 --> 00:14:51,600 those not on the subcommittee first. Um 343 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,120 if that makes sense. 344 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,519 >> Yes. Any questions, Adam? 345 00:14:55,519 --> 00:14:57,120 >> I do want to note that a lot of this is 346 00:14:57,120 --> 00:14:58,639 new information to those of us on the 347 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:01,279 subcommittee though, too. 348 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:03,120 We that's the first time we've seen any 349 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,959 cost estimate. 350 00:15:04,959 --> 00:15:09,199 >> Okay. Um, Council Member Adams, 351 00:15:09,199 --> 00:15:10,959 >> thank you so much for the presentation 352 00:15:10,959 --> 00:15:12,959 and thank you to my colleagues for all 353 00:15:12,959 --> 00:15:15,600 the work that you've put in on this. I 354 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,680 know it's all in the details and it just 355 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,839 keeps adding up more details, but I 356 00:15:21,839 --> 00:15:24,959 appreciate all the work you've done. Uh, 357 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:26,959 just a few questions as I looked at 358 00:15:26,959 --> 00:15:31,430 things. Um, 359 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,040 was uh neither one of these close Walnut 360 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:39,760 Street, correct? The two that you've 361 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,880 >> neither close Walnut Street. One does 362 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,760 straighten Walnut Street and the And it 363 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,279 actually lends itself to a time that you 364 00:15:49,279 --> 00:15:51,440 could close it for events if you wanted 365 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:52,079 to. 366 00:15:52,079 --> 00:15:54,079 >> Okay. um where it could then kind of 367 00:15:54,079 --> 00:15:56,079 connect to the plaza that way and in 368 00:15:56,079 --> 00:15:58,240 fact either worked well to do that where 369 00:15:58,240 --> 00:15:59,600 you would be able to close it for 370 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:00,399 events. 371 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:02,000 >> But there was no consideration of 372 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,079 turning a walnut into a culde-sac at 373 00:16:06,079 --> 00:16:09,600 this end so that we could have more 374 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,040 space to play with, not to dig deep uh 375 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:18,639 under the into our our water, but uh so 376 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:20,959 that wasn't a consideration. I think 377 00:16:20,959 --> 00:16:23,360 that we we had a culde-sac at the first 378 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,839 visioning session and as we looked at 379 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:27,600 this and we looked at the turnaround 380 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,600 space and the access to parking that 381 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,000 needed to be separated for both housing 382 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,639 and then town hall, it no longer was 383 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:37,279 making sense in especially with the 384 00:16:37,279 --> 00:16:40,480 acquisition of 722 Walnut and the space 385 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,440 at that location of the site. It worked 386 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,440 better in that visioning session one 387 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,279 when we pulled it quite a bit forward 388 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:49,600 and then had underground parking. So as 389 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,160 we as we negated underground parking and 390 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,839 tried to keep it on surface, it it kind 391 00:16:53,839 --> 00:16:55,680 of would move the culde-sac back when 392 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:56,959 the property and there wasn't enough 393 00:16:56,959 --> 00:16:59,759 room for it there. I can somewhat look 394 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,720 show you on go all the way back to this 395 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:04,480 one. 396 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,280 So where it was culdeac on the visioning 397 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,760 session one was in a different part of 398 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:11,439 the property which was pulled forward 399 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:14,400 with different space and as we didn't no 400 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,160 longer had underground parking it it 401 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,199 really didn't work out that way. but it 402 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:22,079 potentially could add parking as well to 403 00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:25,039 close off the road if you constructed it 404 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,439 in different ways. So, it was just a 405 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:29,679 thought. Um, 406 00:17:29,679 --> 00:17:33,360 is was there ever consideration of uh 407 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:38,559 using the townowned lot at 1640 408 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,120 uh Floraunda because neither of them use 409 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,520 that as well. 410 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,720 So I I brought this summary slide back 411 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,400 because I think it's probably quite 412 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,760 helpful to look at the process. Um the 413 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,200 town lot at 1640 floor if you go to the 414 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,720 last the 52126 subcommittee 415 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:05,760 that town that group of diagrams there. 416 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,270 Thank you. 417 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,120 Showed A and B versions 418 00:18:13,120 --> 00:18:15,520 of many schemes, some of it which were 419 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,440 using the town owned lot, putting 420 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,559 housing over on that side of the at on 421 00:18:20,559 --> 00:18:22,960 that side of the town hall site, but we 422 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:24,880 were directed to try and get housing as 423 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,360 close as possible to Flora Aabunda. So, 424 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:29,760 how we ended up using it in the schemes 425 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,240 that you see today, in one scheme, it 426 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,880 actually becomes an overlow parking lot 427 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,039 and in a second scheme it remains a 428 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:38,880 town-owned home. 429 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,080 >> Yeah. I I liked, frankly, these were so 430 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,960 tiny when we received them. I haven't 431 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,360 been able to really study them, but in 432 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:50,160 that A and B, one of them at least was a 433 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:55,280 park that uh obviously would be 434 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:59,440 wonderful to use at that spot. Uh was 435 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,559 there any thought of what to do with 436 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:04,960 1640? 437 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,559 So in the schemes there um 1640 was used 438 00:19:08,559 --> 00:19:12,799 for housing with most of the town hall 439 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:16,320 sites conjoined between police town hall 440 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,760 EOC all in one area and then over on the 441 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,919 other side it was being used as housing 442 00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:23,440 but we were directed to try and get 443 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,679 housing as close as possible to 444 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:27,200 Floraunda 445 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,480 and so as we moved on I don't know if I 446 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,960 excuse me Elamita I thank you supervisor 447 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,000 Koh um does that answer your question? 448 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,480 >> It does, but it it seems a little like 449 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,160 we 450 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,200 cut out a few avenues uh along the way. 451 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,320 I know sometimes when you have a list of 452 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,200 community suggestions, it can be 453 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:50,960 interpreted as you have to do every one 454 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,679 of these things, which is a little bit 455 00:19:53,679 --> 00:19:55,919 hog tying as you're trying to conceive 456 00:19:55,919 --> 00:20:00,240 of filling all this in. Um 457 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,679 and then uh was there any talk of 458 00:20:03,679 --> 00:20:08,000 maintaining the existing town hall? 459 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,799 There was and um back at visioning 460 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:13,679 session three we had a versions where we 461 00:20:13,679 --> 00:20:16,720 maintained the existing town hall. We 462 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,160 formed the subcommittee on 33125 463 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,280 and by the 58 subcommittee meeting the 464 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,640 idea had been been that we were going to 465 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,320 explore um acquisition and annexation 466 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,919 but also looking at that we it became 467 00:20:33,919 --> 00:20:36,720 clear that it with the site constraints 468 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,039 we would be making all new buildings. So 469 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:41,120 that happened kind of in an earlier 470 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:43,120 phase that we would be looking at let's 471 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:45,280 see was it might have been 87 pursue all 472 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:49,440 new construction sorry 87 2025 473 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,960 so in terms of interpreting it all now 474 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,240 when we had heard that uh the cost was 475 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,240 going to be $150 million there was shock 476 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,039 and awe and how will we do this etc. And 477 00:21:03,039 --> 00:21:05,840 now that the there's a considerable 478 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:10,720 increase to 221 or at the outside $226 479 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,559 million, 480 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:14,799 revisiting some of these earlier 481 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:17,919 concepts would seem to make some sense 482 00:21:17,919 --> 00:21:20,640 and uh so I wondered how far you had 483 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,640 gotten on each of them and how your 484 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,760 direction had been influenced. 485 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:27,679 Did Liz want to say something? 486 00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:30,080 >> We can um just for clarification if we 487 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:31,600 could just get clarifying questions. 488 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:32,880 We're going to come back and discuss 489 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,480 this. Yeah. Okay. Um 490 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,720 >> um well that those were my questions 491 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,880 >> and you can your comments are well noted 492 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,240 and we can come back to those. 493 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:40,880 >> Great. Thank you. 494 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,799 >> Okay. Thank you. Um council me. 495 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:46,480 >> Thank you. Thank you so much for your 496 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,640 presentation. It's long time coming. So 497 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,679 really appreciate this finally have the 498 00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:53,919 u sort of the transitions of how the 499 00:21:53,919 --> 00:21:56,400 illerations kind of move. Uh my question 500 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,360 is um sort of along uh the the ideas uh 501 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,440 that you're not you utilizing the the 502 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,840 Warner lots and also the town own uh 503 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,080 rental properties. 504 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,640 That is by directions or that is by 505 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,760 discussions that we're going to focus on 506 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,559 just the town complex in this existing 507 00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,799 lot. 508 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,039 >> So I just wanted to confirm. So this is 509 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,840 these are the process plans that were 510 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,080 considered previously. The two preferred 511 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,960 site plans that were presented. One does 512 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,159 utilize the existing property at 1640. 513 00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:33,840 It becomes part of the parking structure 514 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:36,880 or parking area. Um and then there's a 515 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,000 second the town um LA uh that maintains 516 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,559 the existing rental property at 1640. 517 00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:47,840 And so having an option that maintains 518 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,679 the existing rental property and then 519 00:22:49,679 --> 00:22:52,080 having an option that utilizes it that 520 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,640 was um direction that came out of 521 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,799 subcommittee discussions and feedback 522 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,720 from the community. 523 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:02,799 >> Okay. So, uh my my clarification uh 524 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,200 question is so by directions um you're 525 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:11,760 focusing on the town complex to um to to 526 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:16,000 design the utilities for uh for the 527 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,799 purpose of the EOC and also for the town 528 00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:22,159 staff. Um is that then by intention that 529 00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:24,880 you're building it up to for the police 530 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,919 is three stories and then for the um 531 00:23:27,919 --> 00:23:31,440 town hall is two story. 532 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,520 So the two different options have two 533 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,200 variants in that. 534 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,840 >> The one central building is three 535 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,760 stories but the building steps down. So 536 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,799 this on this building the building steps 537 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:47,360 down to one story at the bot at the 538 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:50,080 front side along Florabunda and up to 539 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,240 three stories which you can start to see 540 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:56,400 in this axon perspective. So in this 541 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,039 version both police and town hall are 542 00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,919 three stories. However in the next I'm 543 00:24:01,919 --> 00:24:08,710 going to go to the axon there as well. 544 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,520 In this version, the axon starts to show 545 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,200 that we lowered and made it two stories 546 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,360 at the front, stepping to three stories 547 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,159 at the back. So there was a bit of a a 548 00:24:20,159 --> 00:24:21,760 perspective where you could see that 549 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,000 kind of raising on the site. Is that 550 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,360 does that answer your question? 551 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:27,440 >> Uh so I'm trying to understand that. So 552 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,440 really you you are building the height. 553 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,159 You're elevating it to be three stories. 554 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,159 It just there's progression from the 555 00:24:34,159 --> 00:24:36,000 street. So it doesn't appear to be very 556 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,440 intrusive. Is that what you're saying? 557 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,120 That was that was the plan. That was the 558 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:39,520 intent. 559 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,600 >> That was the intent. And so the square 560 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,000 footages are actually based on the very 561 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640 first slide that showed the program and 562 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,360 how the programmatic elements. Um there 563 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:52,080 was a phrase that Supervisor Kle used in 564 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,080 the subcommittee which was layering in 565 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,720 practicality so that it's how we're 566 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,400 fitting the police, how we're fitting 567 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,400 the parking, how we're fitting access to 568 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,640 it, and how we're fit having it um 569 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,520 operate around the site. But at the same 570 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,679 time we are trying to keep the the the 571 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:11,919 scale lower towards floor abundant in 572 00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:12,960 both schemes. 573 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,159 >> Okay. And so my other question is um 574 00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:18,080 regarding the functionality of the town 575 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,960 hall um you know when we first had this 576 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,440 building and while it still in some way 577 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,799 feel like very new um our experience has 578 00:25:26,799 --> 00:25:29,039 been that it quickly grew out of the 579 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:34,960 purpose right it quick quickly the the sort of the styled of the meetings 580 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,919 and the the sort of intent of having 581 00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:41,039 gatherings and so forth is not quite 582 00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,480 fitting. Um and there therefore the 583 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,240 discussion of can we internally 584 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,799 reorganize in restructure it to make it 585 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,360 work or do we need to have a new design 586 00:25:51,360 --> 00:25:55,440 of the building. My question is do in 587 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,159 your planning is the intent to have all 588 00:25:58,159 --> 00:26:00,480 the departments working under the one 589 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,159 roof and and has the capacity to to 590 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,080 accommodate that? 591 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,840 >> So the two different schemes are 592 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:11,120 slightly different in that. So in terms 593 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,400 of designing into the future, I think 594 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,120 this program process summary is a one 595 00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,440 that talks about how we have square 596 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080 footages that are designed for now based 597 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,120 on things that you looked at in 2023 598 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:28,960 through 2031 and then document it with 599 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,279 existing conditions um as we went and 600 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,080 looked around, but then testing and 601 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,799 profiling and refining into what into 602 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:38,640 the future and what we're seeing at 603 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,559 other sites. So this kind of 604 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:42,960 quantitative metrics that came out of a 605 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,600 fairly robust program document 606 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,440 >> so that we could be designing into a 607 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:52,480 future is h how the space got allocated. 608 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,919 And so in one scheme, the first scheme 609 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,799 that we're calling civic ridge line that 610 00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,919 has town hall and police under one roof 611 00:27:01,919 --> 00:27:04,559 with a seismic brace in between so that 612 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:06,640 you can have police functions on one 613 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,440 side, town hall functions on the other. 614 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,559 In Town LA, the second scheme, there are 615 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,720 separate buildings around a courtyard, 616 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,880 but with with entries that sort of 617 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,799 mirror each other. 618 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,440 >> Thank you. Um, my last question is this. 619 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,039 Um there is a there's a huge discussions 620 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:26,880 regarding parking and the availabilities 621 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:32,559 of parking and that is filling over the street but there's also I think in 622 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,960 these days as as we discuss about 623 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,880 housing and structured buildings and 624 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,080 whatnot to really recognize that people 625 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,039 now don't necessarily own cars 626 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,320 >> and that they use Uber lifts or AVs for 627 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,520 that matters. Um so could you walk me 628 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,919 through a little bit about the thinking 629 00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,000 behind the parking and the calculations 630 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,919 of the parking? 631 00:27:55,919 --> 00:27:58,960 So the parking calculations are also in 632 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,600 that programming document and we have 633 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,120 heard both things. We've heard 634 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,960 definitely from the community that they 635 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,200 do not want overflow parking onto the 636 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,200 street but that the parking should be 637 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,880 rightsized and easily available as 638 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,840 people are coming up to town hall. So 639 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,120 this shows 20 stalls of surface parking 640 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,440 for the housing units including guest 641 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,039 parking. Um and then the police had very 642 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:27,120 specific requirements both for their 643 00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,840 patrol cars and for their staff own 644 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,000 cars. So they have secure parking behind 645 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,640 the police station and podium parking 646 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,159 under the building town hall. It was the 647 00:28:38,159 --> 00:28:40,960 quick drop off um behind the building. 648 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,039 There's surface parking spots as well as 649 00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:45,919 p parallel parking spots on Walnut 650 00:28:45,919 --> 00:28:48,559 Avenue and overflow parking into the 651 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,600 town owned lot. Those in this scheme, 652 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,880 there's 66 surface parking spots for the 653 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,200 town hall, which is exactly what was 654 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,679 called out in that program documentation 655 00:28:59,679 --> 00:29:02,399 trying to weigh into what was needed and 656 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,279 not needed. As we go into the second 657 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,840 scheme, the ALA scheme, it's a little 658 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,399 bit different. One of the things that we 659 00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:12,640 got told could give was the number of 660 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,679 parking stalls. So in this case, we 661 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:17,600 actually still want to have that quick 662 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,399 drop off to the lobby that are labeled 663 00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:26,320 number one so people can come in, get out, that kind of quick ability. 664 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Walnut A stays in the orientation that 665 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,720 it's in with the water line underneath 666 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,399 it, but there's parallel parking there 667 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,080 that can get pretty quickly through 668 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,799 crosswalks over. And then the triangle 669 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,360 lot gets resurfaced in a way that's a 670 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,799 you kind of know where to park whereas 671 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,520 right now it's a bit squirly. Um but 672 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,200 this only has 55 spots. If parking were 673 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,360 to become an issue for the future 674 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440 obviously the townowned residence is 675 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,919 adjacent and could more spots could be 676 00:29:53,919 --> 00:29:55,840 accommodated. So, in both of the 677 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,679 schemes, we were looking at it in terms 678 00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,679 of what we needed programmatically and 679 00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:03,600 then um trying to get them in on either 680 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,080 surface or podium parking with no raised 681 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,720 parking garages and no underground. 682 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,440 >> Thank you. 683 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,679 >> Um I have a few questions. Um if the uh 684 00:30:15,679 --> 00:30:17,279 subcommittee participants don't mind, 685 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,039 I'll ask my questions along with my 686 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,279 colleagues. Um, first of all, thanks for 687 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,880 the presentation and thanks for all the 688 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,399 work you've been doing over the past 689 00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:27,919 couple of years. Um, regarding the cost, 690 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,240 did you separate those costs between the 691 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,320 three main um, objectives? One being 692 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,240 town hall redesign, the other 693 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,799 HPD police department redesign and the 694 00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:46,080 third being the housing requirements or 695 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,720 because you gave us a total number. Did 696 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,559 you do any internal analysis to separate 697 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:51,200 the cost? 698 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,520 >> Yeah, if you look in that last column, 699 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,640 the community and EOCC costs there is 700 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,600 between 20 and 21 million. That's 701 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,679 actually a pretty high cost per square 702 00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:04,399 foot because the EOCC, that emergency 703 00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,799 operation center and community room is 704 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,679 only about 5,000 square feet. That has 705 00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:12,480 separate data and also has the ability 706 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,200 to uh be seismically hardened. So 707 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,559 there's not a it's not a larger EOC 708 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:20,640 where there's an economy of scale. So 709 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760 that that hardening is there at 20 to 21 710 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,399 million. If you look the next line down, 711 00:31:26,399 --> 00:31:30,159 town hall is about $2500 a square foot, 712 00:31:30,159 --> 00:31:33,360 between 39 and 40 million. Police goes 713 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,120 to 68 to 70 down at 3,300. Again, has 714 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,640 the seismic hardening and the things 715 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,799 that you would want in a police station. 716 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,559 Housing's the lowest cost there at 717 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:47,200 1,300. between 23 and 27 million. We 718 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,360 looked at maintaining the bedroom count 719 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,159 for housing, but as much as possible 720 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:54,240 reducing the amount of corridors and one 721 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,159 scheme having the corridors be outside 722 00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,240 and surface parking, which is cheaper, 723 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,159 and a second scheme having podium 724 00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:01,840 parking, which has a little bit of a 725 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,039 that's why there's a little bit of a 726 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,960 cost variance between the two schemes 727 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840 there, but that's broken up um by 728 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,679 building there. And regarding the 729 00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:12,000 housing cost, 1,300 square foot per 730 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,760 square foot. How many what is the 731 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,360 estimate? Are these one, two or three 732 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,200 bedrooms or studios? What are they? 733 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,399 >> One and two bedrooms. And 734 00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:21,679 >> one, two bedrooms. 735 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,440 >> Is that 736 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:23,840 >> correct? 737 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:24,480 >> Is that correct? 738 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:25,679 >> Correct. I just didn't know if you 739 00:32:25,679 --> 00:32:27,600 wanted to talk about how that was 740 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:28,480 developed. 741 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,559 >> Um 742 00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:34,799 I noticed I believe it's a town alley um 743 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:36,799 design. 744 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,320 It's is the one that's next to 745 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,320 Centennial Park. Does it impact the park 746 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,519 um in any ways or it just happens to be 747 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:46,720 >> you could go to that? 748 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,559 >> In both in both schemes, the idea being 749 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,039 that Centennial Park may need to move 750 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,840 it. The artifacts could be taken over 751 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,039 into a new location. Um, so in both 752 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:01,519 schemes, Centennial Park is potentially 753 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,960 being relocated and still being on site 754 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,440 as a park and as a place to be. So in 755 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:12,080 town LA, housing over near El Camino is 756 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,440 getting, in fact, it's more obvious 757 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,880 potentially here. The the red square 758 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,519 is Centennial Park. It's quite close to 759 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,080 housing. So in that scheme, if you 760 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,320 wanted to keep it exactly as is, it's a 761 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,919 possibility, but it also may become um 762 00:33:31,919 --> 00:33:34,240 quite close to the housing building. And 763 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,039 so the elements of the park we were 764 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,840 proposing could be moved into a new 765 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,360 location 766 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,240 um in number five in between police and 767 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,440 town hall. So it's possible to keep it 768 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480 exactly as is, but we were looking to 769 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,799 see if we could move the artifacts. So 770 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,960 your project anticipate moving 771 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,399 Centennial Park. 772 00:33:58,399 --> 00:33:59,840 >> Is that my understanding? 773 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,799 >> Potentially. Yeah. 774 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:01,120 >> Okay. 775 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,000 >> Yeah. 776 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,760 >> Um regarding the water line um or the 777 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,200 water main line on Walnut that you 778 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:14,879 project may need to be straightened for one of these design. Which one was 779 00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:15,760 that again? 780 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,359 >> So we um opted earlier in the 781 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:21,679 subcommittee. We looked at both moving 782 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:25,839 the water line or taking or or acquiring 783 00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:29,599 the adjacent property at 722 Walnut. And 784 00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,520 while moving the water line was a 785 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,079 possibility, that possibility was 786 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,879 abandoned through the process because of 787 00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:38,879 the time period it would take to move 788 00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:41,359 the water line would put us past the 789 00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:43,359 arena and put us past the housing 790 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:46,639 element. And so we abandoned that at the 791 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:53,119 subcommittee level back in um 827 792 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,040 2025. 793 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,359 And then there's a bit of a So So we're 794 00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:01,040 not moving the water line in either version. 795 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,040 >> And And you're not straightening walnut 796 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,320 or does one of them 797 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,079 >> One of them straightens Walnut but puts 798 00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,200 a park on top of it. 799 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,400 >> And which one is that? 800 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,320 >> The the uh the civic ridge line. 801 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:18,630 >> Okay. exhibit. Um, 802 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,359 and the housing the 16 units residential 803 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:24,800 is that one of the design projects a 804 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,520 fourstory is that what is projected in 805 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,760 both designs? Fourstory building. 806 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,640 >> Yeah, they are both fourstory buildings. 807 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,640 Um, the housing in 808 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,599 the civic ridge line is four stories. 809 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:42,240 slightly lower um floor to floor height 810 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,560 to make it compatible with the height of 811 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,960 the the town hall. And then in the CI in 812 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,920 the town LA where it's across there's a 813 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,400 podium parking on the lower floor and 814 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,839 then three stories of housing above. 815 00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:00,480 >> Okay. So it's not below ground parking. 816 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,240 It's just a podium correct type of 817 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:03,200 parking. Correct. 818 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200 >> And could you just review the access 819 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,240 sites again for both um designs? I 820 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:10,960 couldn't quite sure. 821 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,680 >> So, this slide might be the easiest to 822 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,520 see and then I'll I'll go to the next 823 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,200 slide. This Civic Ridge line has Walnut 824 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,680 Avenue straightened. 825 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,760 And so there's a new Walnut Avenue 826 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,760 orientation. The dark dotted blue line 827 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,960 is where the water line is. That water 828 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,960 line goes under a plaza or a park. 829 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,800 The main building, the large building is 830 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,720 town hall and police. Both are three 831 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:41,359 stories at their tallest, but they they 832 00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:44,400 go they go down to the street at the 833 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,880 floor abunda side. 834 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,079 Housing is four stories behind police, 835 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,320 but it's also oriented with a slightly 836 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,560 lower floor to floor so that the heights 837 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,280 sort of align well. 838 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:02,480 The plaza gets a lot of nice um southern 839 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,720 sun and is shaded by the trees on the 840 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:07,440 new plaza and allowing overflow of 841 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,839 parking at the existing town owned lot 842 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:11,680 where you can see the numbers four and 843 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,560 six. 844 00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,920 Number five is where Veterans Memorial 845 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,280 and Centennial Park is. thinking that 846 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,160 the the monuments themselves may be part 847 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,800 of a new um landscape plan as the over 848 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,960 at that section and very close to where 849 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,480 they exist today. 850 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,760 >> And the entrance from El Camino is that 851 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,560 that's away from the current stop sign. 852 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,200 Correct. 853 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,760 >> So the entrance from El Camino is 854 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,240 specifically just for a police secure 855 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,800 entrance. It's about 100 ft more more 856 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880 than that from the corner for police 857 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,599 only. And then you can see the blue car 858 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,520 going out on El Camino. That's again 859 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,160 just an emergency exit. It's sort of 860 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,040 grasped in on the half arc. That's not 861 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,880 meant for daily use. That's meant if 862 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,800 there needs to be another way out from 863 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,440 that side. The main entrance would be 864 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560 through Walnut A. And the black cars are 865 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,480 sort of showing where that main entrance 866 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,960 would be through Walnut A to the parking 867 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,680 area right behind town hall in between 868 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,079 town hall and housing 869 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,400 >> and the straightening of Walnut A on 870 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,079 this um design does not impact the water 871 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,960 line. No, in fact, the building is 872 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,520 beyond the setback for the water line, 873 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,760 but the water line becomes the location 874 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,280 for a new plaza and park that allows the 875 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,359 community room and chambers to be able 876 00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,320 to spill out onto a plaza and that is 877 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,240 allowed that's an allowed use over a 878 00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:46,720 water line. 879 00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:49,520 If we if we need to move the you 880 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,520 suggested we may need to move um 881 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,720 Centennial Park. Where exactly do you 882 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,640 project or anticipate it could be? 883 00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,880 >> Okay. It's number five um on the that 884 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,760 diagram. 885 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,560 >> Okay. Yeah. And if you wanted to see 886 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,079 where it actually exists in this scheme, 887 00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,720 it really would need to move. It's 888 00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,119 optional in the other scheme, but in 889 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,520 this scheme, the red box, the small red 890 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,839 box next to the police entry is actually 891 00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:24,000 Centennial. Um, 892 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,520 >> okay. Um, I will ask my colleagues uh to 893 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,640 remain colleagues to make comments 894 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,040 before we go to public questions and and 895 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,400 we we will question. Do you have a 896 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,880 question? 897 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,680 >> Just one question. 898 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,079 >> Sure. 899 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,400 >> On the Civic Ridge line, where are the 900 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,800 police going to be parking? 901 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,200 In both schemes, the police are parking 902 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,079 in a there's a secure lot behind police, 903 00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,560 but also podium parking. They have quite 904 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,680 a high parking need. So that in both 905 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,440 schemes, there's some podium parking, 906 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,359 meaning at the first level, not not 907 00:39:53,359 --> 00:39:55,440 below grade, not above grade, but pull 908 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,320 in right at the podium level. And then a 909 00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,640 secure lot adjacent. 910 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,480 >> They also have a fuel link stations that need to be addressed and that is 911 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,280 part of that, right? 912 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,680 >> Yes. Yeah. So you think that the number 913 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,680 two that you were talking about? 914 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,400 >> There's a the filling station is outside 915 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,000 in because 916 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,760 >> we don't want to put gas inside the 917 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,560 building 918 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,640 >> and as well as a gen there's generators. 919 00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,320 There's a police evidence. So all of 920 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,560 that is accounted for in these. Yes. 921 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,760 >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. 922 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,119 >> Thank you. Um yes. Any questions um from 923 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,599 Vice Mayor Ragdale? Yes. 924 00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,440 >> Thank you so much. And it's great to see 925 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:34,800 you again. Now I can't see you because 926 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,960 I've put on the other glasses. It was 927 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520 great to see you and thank you. Um and 928 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,320 I'm excited for our colleagues to uh see 929 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,560 these these next steps. Um and uh I 930 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,800 think right now I just have three 931 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,720 questions. Um, one is more of a question 932 00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:55,920 for Liz and staff that maybe could be 933 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,160 um, answered at another time, but with 934 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,599 regard to the phasing, um, I'm just 935 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,240 wondering if staff could actually work 936 00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,560 out of the town owned building on floor 937 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,599 abunda because it seems 938 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,960 not large enough, but um, just just 939 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,760 something to to think about. Um maybe 940 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,480 there will be a 40 baywood that that we 941 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,599 could work out of. Um the second 942 00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,400 question um that I had is would the town 943 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,760 Ali um would that use those uh green 944 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,240 building concepts that were in the civic 945 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:33,119 ridge line with the water capture and 946 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:37,680 the solar? Yeah, they they would. And 947 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,720 each scheme has different green 948 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,520 strategies that would work well. There 949 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:45,599 definitely is the ability for southern 950 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:48,319 facing roofs to have building integrated 951 00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:51,119 photovoltaics on this. What's different 952 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,680 about this scheme from on town LA versus 953 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,000 the civic ridge line is that not all the 954 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,760 roofs are southern facing. So not 955 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000 everything would be used that way. 956 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,520 There's the ability for this building to 957 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,520 have a bit more thermal mass which it 958 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,760 helps with dal temperature swings and 959 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:10,240 having less energy being used and um 960 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,160 also the same ability to capture rain 961 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,800 water and to use it well on site. 962 00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,599 >> Great. Um thank you. Um and then the 963 00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:21,920 last question is um uh 964 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,440 the the in terms of the costs we would 965 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,319 presume that the housing cost would be 966 00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:31,200 paid by a developer. 967 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,520 Okay. Um and then and then can you just 968 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,839 clarify with the water line? Um we can't 969 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,359 put a building on top of it. Correct. 970 00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:38,160 Because we need access. 971 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,800 >> Correct. 972 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,960 >> Yeah. Great. Thank you. 973 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,680 >> Thank you. Um Council Member Krillic. 974 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,359 >> Thank you Karen. So when you go to uh a 975 00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:51,440 Lee to the the footprint um 976 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,240 Yeah. And actually and even the phasing. 977 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,319 So when we talk about the phasing if we 978 00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:59,040 went to a lead because I'm I'm trying to 979 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,079 figure out how do we get there 980 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,119 financially? Yeah. 981 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:02,960 >> Could we 982 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,599 have the police work out of one where 983 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,960 they are build the police station and 984 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,000 then they move and then we could build 985 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,000 the housing there. So we could phase it 986 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,119 that way and town hall would stay intact 987 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,040 >> potentially because I think the what 988 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:22,960 you're indicating is there's a section 989 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,880 of where the police station is that's 990 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,880 being used by finance, right? And so you 991 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,000 would be having them stay potentially. 992 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,359 Liz, I'm going to turn this one over to 993 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:35,670 you. 994 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,119 I think there's certainly a potential 995 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,720 for that. that I know there was also 996 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,880 discussion about um you know the 997 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,880 potential for portable structures to be 998 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,280 used on the Walnut parking lot for 999 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,079 temporary office spaces for for PD or 1000 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:50,480 other staff. So there's certainly 1001 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:51,119 opportunities. 1002 00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:52,800 >> Yeah. I'm just thinking if we could just 1003 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,599 simply finance the police department, 1004 00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,480 the police building first, they can stay 1005 00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,160 where they are. We build that, they 1006 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,319 move, then we do use that space for 1007 00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:06,079 housing, and then we, you know, we 1008 00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,040 enhance town hall in the future or 1009 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,880 rebuild town hall in the future, just 1010 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,480 because this, I mean, I just don't see a 1011 00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,280 path right now to $200 million, even if 1012 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,480 we uh take out the housing part. Um, 1013 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,760 and then my next question was, are we 1014 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,079 preserving that historic part of the 1015 00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,359 police station in any way? 1016 00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,920 >> So, we had looked at that much earlier 1017 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,480 and I think I'd been directed not to 1018 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:42,069 keep it in. So, 1019 00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:43,760 that's correct. It was determined that 1020 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,440 it's not technically historic. It is an 1021 00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,839 original portion of the building. Um 1022 00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:52,319 there were schemes that retained that 1023 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:53,599 portion of the building. There were 1024 00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:56,079 schemes that relocated it. Um but 1025 00:44:56,079 --> 00:45:00,000 ultimately in discussion um from a cost 1026 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,839 benefit standpoint. Um it it didn't 1027 00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:06,400 pencil out. Um but there was also 1028 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:09,440 discussion about perhaps preserving the 1029 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,680 entrance to the PD building and reusing 1030 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,440 that somewhere. It could be reused 1031 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,920 inside. It could, you know, it could be 1032 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,440 um memorialized in other ways. 1033 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,839 If I could just add to that as well, you 1034 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:23,920 know, the the when we think of that part 1035 00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,520 of the building and the historic nature 1036 00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,800 of it, it really is at this point, it's 1037 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440 pieces within that area that are really 1038 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,359 the historic keepsakes that are there. 1039 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:36,480 And I'm certainly would be looking to 1040 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,560 remove those delicately and reuse them 1041 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,319 somewhere in the project, even if the 1042 00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,079 actual space itself was used for 1043 00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,160 something else. 1044 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,800 >> Thank you. Um, yeah, those are all my 1045 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,480 questions right now. I just say thank 1046 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,960 you and I just want to point out um that 1047 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,040 we right now are just looking at where 1048 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,040 things are um the elevations and not the 1049 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,599 elevations but the drawings of how it 1050 00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,880 looks that that's still another phase. 1051 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,359 >> Okay. Um let's hear from the community 1052 00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:11,839 if we have anyone from um 1053 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:14,480 any of our residents either on Zoom or 1054 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,240 in the chambers who would like to make a 1055 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:18,560 comment specifically on this. We also 1056 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,040 have another agenda is item B which is 1057 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,560 to um present a petition which will be 1058 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,960 after this discussion is completed. So 1059 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:28,960 if there's anyone from the public who 1060 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,680 wishes to ask questions or comments on 1061 00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,720 what's been presented so far. Thank you, 1062 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,240 Mayor Cole. I don't have any speaker 1063 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,760 cards, but I'll just ask if anyone in 1064 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,119 the room would like to speak, you can 1065 00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:40,880 let me know later. You can go up to the 1066 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,990 podium. 1067 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:44,720 » Afternoon. 1068 00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:46,560 >> Hello. Good afternoon. Your name is 1069 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:49,359 >> Riad Salma 816 Eucalyptus. I'm not sure 1070 00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:50,800 I follow what you said, Mayor Cole, 1071 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,000 about the section B and the petition. 1072 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,560 >> Um, it will be presented after we finish 1073 00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,079 the um presentation and discussion on 1074 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,400 the town hall. the petition will be 1075 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,839 presented and um we'll make some 1076 00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:07,599 comments about it. It will be coming 1077 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,839 back. I can give you a heads up on that. 1078 00:47:09,839 --> 00:47:11,760 >> I was asked to to speak to the petition 1079 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:12,079 by 1080 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:13,040 >> Oh, you were asked to speak to the 1081 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,480 petition. So, do you have any specific 1082 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,319 comments on what's been presented so far 1083 00:47:16,319 --> 00:47:19,839 outside of the petition? 1084 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:22,000 >> Generally, it sounds as if the 1085 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,520 conversations are operated on the 1086 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:24,880 assumption that all these elements are 1087 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:26,800 going to be satisfied at this site, the 1088 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,599 housing included. Has that determination 1089 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:32,240 been made as opposed to allocating those 1090 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,640 additional 16 units to the Tobin Clark 1091 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,839 site as a possibility? 1092 00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:36,960 >> I'm going to give you the opportunity to 1093 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,359 present that petition. Were you planning 1094 00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:41,760 to read the petition into the records or 1095 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,359 were you just planning to make a comment 1096 00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:44,160 about the petition? 1097 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,680 >> I was hoping to read the petition. 1098 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,359 >> Okay, we'll get to that in a minute. I 1099 00:47:47,359 --> 00:47:48,960 just want to know if there are any um 1100 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,800 residents either in chambers 1101 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,440 specifically to talk about the town hall 1102 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,520 redesign as was presented by our 1103 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:56,079 consultants. 1104 00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:57,280 >> Yeah, I wasn't intending to read the 1105 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,200 petition. I'll wait for that. Okay. 1106 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,480 That'll be coming up shortly. The 1107 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,000 question does I think apply to the 1108 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,280 discussion that we've been having and 1109 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,079 that's 1110 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,000 >> if the because we're talking about space 1111 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,200 allocations. Yeah. 1112 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,280 >> Between all these different elements. 1113 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,680 >> So, are we operating currently under an 1114 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,839 assumption that this site is going to 1115 00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:15,520 house those 16 units or is that 1116 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,839 determination not yet been made? 1117 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:21,280 >> Well, that that's what we submitted, but 1118 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,200 there is a petition to consider 1119 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,680 alternatives. So, that will be discussed 1120 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:26,319 shortly. 1121 00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,559 >> Okay. when we talk about the petition. 1122 00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:29,040 >> Thank you. 1123 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,599 >> Um are there any other questions um from 1124 00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,839 the public or on Zoom? 1125 00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:35,440 >> Thank you, Marco. I don't have any 1126 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,040 speaker cards in the room and I don't 1127 00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,559 see any raised hands, but I'll just give 1128 00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:40,480 a moment if anyone on Zoom would like to 1129 00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,720 provide comments on this item. Raise 1130 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:46,630 your hand, please. 1131 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,079 I'm not seeing any raised hands, 1132 00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:49,680 Miracle. 1133 00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,559 >> Okay. Um if there are any other 1134 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:54,880 additional comments specifically based 1135 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,720 on what's been presented so far with 1136 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,640 regards to the design of the town hall. 1137 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,240 Yes, council member Chuang. 1138 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,119 Uh this question is actually for the um 1139 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:09,680 the consultants. So on the um civic 1140 00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,359 ridge line there's a quite a bit of a 1141 00:49:13,359 --> 00:49:16,160 greeneries uh along the corner of Al 1142 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,440 Camino and Laura 1143 00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,559 um where I I suspect that that's where 1144 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:28,319 the um the Centennial Park is currently 1145 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,839 located. just kind of want to understand 1146 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:35,359 the configuration of that versus the 1147 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:37,520 town allay that you guys were talking 1148 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,280 about. What is the comparison between 1149 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:43,359 the greeneries on that sections? 1150 00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:45,520 So, it might be easiest to see that on 1151 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,359 the phasing plan. So, I'm just going to 1152 00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:49,920 go back to that if that's okay. Um, 1153 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,839 >> yes. 1154 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:56,400 So on the town LA, the little red square 1155 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,359 at the Florabunda El Camino, that is 1156 00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:03,280 where Centennial Park is. So now 1157 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:05,599 it's possible for it to stay in that 1158 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:09,359 location as is. It's quite close to the 1159 00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:11,280 housing building and so it might not 1160 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:14,400 have a great feeling next to a fourtory 1161 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,720 building. So, we were considering 1162 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:20,160 bringing it into the plaza and into part 1163 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,599 of civic life in the town LA. And so, we 1164 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:26,319 were putting it underneath a trellis and 1165 00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:28,160 in a place where you would be able to go 1166 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640 sit and enjoy it and actually have it be 1167 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,800 part of the the the greenery. It is 1168 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:36,800 possible for it to stay where it is in 1169 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,720 this scheme though that you can see the 1170 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,520 red square there and the three um oak 1171 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,559 trees. Uh uh my question is not about 1172 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,559 the Centennial Park. I think that you 1173 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,760 know um I'm always open to a much better 1174 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,559 utilized park areas and I think that the 1175 00:50:52,559 --> 00:50:56,319 Warner um the design on the Wana Avenue 1176 00:50:56,319 --> 00:50:59,280 is intended to be picnic like offer the 1177 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,119 opportunities for community events, 1178 00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:04,559 outdoor events and also for the staff 1179 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,319 and the residents to have the 1180 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:09,440 opportunity to enjoy it. So I'm okay 1181 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,119 with that. What I'm trying to make a 1182 00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:14,079 different difference sort of the the 1183 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,800 separations of town LA versus the ridge 1184 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,119 line is 1185 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,359 first of all why the greeneries on that 1186 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,079 side you know and two is what is the 1187 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:26,480 difference? It seems like the town LA 1188 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:31,359 has a smaller green areas on the design 1189 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:34,880 versus the civic ridge seem to have a 1190 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,319 larger areas. And in in our conversation 1191 00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:40,559 about space or importance and that the 1192 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,680 redesign is really for the functionality 1193 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,559 of our town activities and staff, you 1194 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:48,559 know, working 1195 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,960 >> those are all precious mon, you know, 1196 00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,040 that that I want to make sure that we're 1197 00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,200 not using it for the sake of the 1198 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,960 greenery, but rather that we're 1199 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,599 utilizing in a way that makes sense to 1200 00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:00,960 our town. 1201 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,920 >> Okay, I think I understand the question. 1202 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,000 There there are slightly different 1203 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,839 there are different approaches to the 1204 00:52:09,839 --> 00:52:13,440 site layout where town LA's site layout 1205 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,960 is a series of smaller a series of 1206 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,680 buildings arranged around a central 1207 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,880 courtyard and that central courtyard 1208 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,960 allows light and air through to the 1209 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,200 buildings for the town staff or for the 1210 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:32,160 town function to to work. Um and 1211 00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,359 the building itself, town hall itself is 1212 00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:40,160 closer to Flora Bunda Street. You're correct in seeing that. So the 1213 00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,559 gap of greenery between Flora Bunda 1214 00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:44,559 Street and the town hall is slightly 1215 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:47,839 less in this scheme. It still allows an 1216 00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:50,079 area for some greenery, for some 1217 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,079 rainwater catchment, for all of those 1218 00:52:52,079 --> 00:52:59,119 things, but it but the daylighting function is happening in 1219 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:02,079 the center of the site here. And so the 1220 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,319 outdoor gathering space is in the center 1221 00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:07,280 of the site here 1222 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,839 in the civic ridge line scheme. And I'm 1223 00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:15,119 going to just go to this um landscape 1224 00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,040 plan. 1225 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,720 Walnut Avenue, since it was 1226 00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:21,839 straightened, allows for a public plaza 1227 00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:24,240 that you can see from Flora Bunda 1228 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,040 Street. It's a more um 1229 00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,079 visible public plaza from Florabunda 1230 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,480 Street, but it's al also over a 1231 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,720 waterline, so we actually can't use it 1232 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,720 for a building. And so there's no 1233 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:39,280 opportunity to use it for a building. 1234 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,920 The town hall then elongates along the 1235 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,640 site and in this case it goes a little 1236 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,920 further closer to where the um oak trees 1237 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,200 are. And so there does get to be sort of 1238 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,319 like a front yard from El Camino and a 1239 00:53:54,319 --> 00:53:56,400 front yard from Walnut Street to the 1240 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,280 site. And then in between from Flora 1241 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,359 abundant to town hall there's greenery 1242 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:03,520 that is there that also can function to 1243 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,079 capture rainwater. So because the 1244 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:07,599 building shapes are [clears throat] 1245 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:10,800 somewhat different where the outdoor and 1246 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,839 the daylighting ends up different and in 1247 00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:15,680 this scheme we get our daylighting 1248 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:17,599 through changes in the claristory 1249 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:19,760 windows allowing light to come through 1250 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,599 on both sides of the roof line. Did that 1251 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:25,280 do it? Did that answer? 1252 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,760 >> That was helpful. Thank you. Uh 1253 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,000 >> um I'll have us make some final comments 1254 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,880 on what's been submitted so far and then 1255 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,880 we'll have the presentation regarding 1256 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,200 the petition. Do we have um additional 1257 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,079 comments? Council member Adams. 1258 00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,640 >> Uh thank you, Mayor Cole. I I really 1259 00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,640 just want to clarify exactly what we're 1260 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,319 deciding here, if anything. Uh because I 1261 00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:52,800 heard uh Council Member Krillix say 1262 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,319 we're we're really just looking at where 1263 00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:00,079 things are and I I understand that. But 1264 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,480 uh if that's what we're doing, I don't 1265 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,839 feel comfortable saying yes, we know 1266 00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:08,559 where things are right now. So if that's 1267 00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,680 what we're trying to do, I would I I 1268 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,000 would offer that I think there are still 1269 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,760 some more considerations. Just want to 1270 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,520 make what clarity there. 1271 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,760 >> My um understanding is to give feedback 1272 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,520 in terms of what you've heard if there's 1273 00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,119 something specific you buil you you 1274 00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:24,960 think should be modified, changed, 1275 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,200 upgraded, eliminated, and we just want 1276 00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,440 to get we're not making a decision 1277 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,280 specifically. We're not voting, but 1278 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,680 we're giving feedback. Is that correct? 1279 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:34,000 >> Yes. 1280 00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,359 And if I may, uh, what staff is 1281 00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:40,000 seeking some ideas, um, not limited to 1282 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,800 these items, is just feedback on the 1283 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,520 overall site organization, 1284 00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,559 um, the location and relationships of 1285 00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,079 the town hall building, the police 1286 00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:52,640 department, housing, parking, um, and 1287 00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,559 the major other major project 1288 00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,760 components, the site circulation and the 1289 00:55:57,760 --> 00:55:59,680 parking strategy. I think the biggest 1290 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,319 difference um from previous versions is 1291 00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:04,240 this is all surface or podium level 1292 00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:08,160 parking. Um also feedback on the project 1293 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,799 phasing and implementation priorities 1294 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:12,480 understanding if there's a desired 1295 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,000 phasing approach. Um and then any 1296 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:20,000 refinements or sort of 1297 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,240 changes other considerations that the 1298 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,920 council would like to see. Um ultimately 1299 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,079 staff will evaluate any of the feedback 1300 00:56:28,079 --> 00:56:30,640 that we received tonight along with any 1301 00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,680 direction and um you know depending on 1302 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,079 the council's discussion we can come 1303 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,160 back with additional conceptual plans. 1304 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,240 We can evaluate alternative approaches. 1305 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,079 Really this is the first time that the 1306 00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:44,079 full council has had the opportunity to 1307 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,520 discuss these options and so staff is is 1308 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,640 just looking for feedback. 1309 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,040 >> Yeah. 1310 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,720 >> Just for feedback. So you may proceed. 1311 00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:52,079 Um council member Adams. 1312 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:54,880 >> Yes. Well, thank you. But, uh, in actual 1313 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,680 fact, that's why I'm uncomfortable even 1314 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,640 giving feedback because I've only seen 1315 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,280 this since Friday morning. And the 1316 00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,839 little tiny drawings, I really want to 1317 00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:09,200 put more thought into this. And if we 1318 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,040 have the opportunity to continue to give 1319 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,640 you feedback, then I'm fine. If this is 1320 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,000 it, 1321 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,079 >> oh, I anticipate we can put this back on 1322 00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,079 the calendar in the very near future for 1323 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,079 ongoing discussion. Any additional 1324 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:23,920 comments on what's been presented so 1325 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:24,960 far? Yes, Council Member 1326 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,280 >> Crowley. Thank you. So, there were so 1327 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,040 many considerations. That's why it's 1328 00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,200 taken so long to get to this point 1329 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,040 because parking was huge. Um neighbor 1330 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,160 concerns. Um and the number one concern 1331 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,640 of the neighbors and or parking they 1332 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,240 don't want to see everyday parking on 1333 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,400 Floor Bunda. the square footage, the 1334 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,559 needs of HPD, the needs of town hall 1335 00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:48,880 staff, customer service and resident 1336 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,079 ease of accessing um giving a little 1337 00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:56,400 more um community space um to customers. 1338 00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,200 So these are our residents were all are 1339 00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,359 all considerations but I think moving 1340 00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,599 forward what's going to drive a lot of 1341 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:08,000 this planning is as um as Karen said we 1342 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,680 like to say layering on the 1343 00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,359 practicalities because um you you know 1344 00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:15,119 we have our wish list but we have to be 1345 00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,640 practical about it. Um so how are we 1346 00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,680 going to pay for this? Um moving Walnut 1347 00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,799 Avenue I think adds an expense. Um so 1348 00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:29,760 that's why I think you have wrestled 1349 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,319 with all of these different um 1350 00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:35,040 considerations and I I think the Ali 1351 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,480 plan to me is the most practical plan. I 1352 00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,559 think that we could execute it in kind 1353 00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:42,960 of clearly defined phases which will 1354 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,319 help uh finance it more than anything 1355 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:52,640 but also be the least disruptive. So, um, I understand only having seen it 1356 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,480 since Friday, but in looking at these 1357 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,480 challenges for the past more than a 1358 00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,599 year, um, I do think that you've come up 1359 00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,440 with something that actually layers on 1360 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:03,040 practicalities. 1361 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:04,880 Thank you. Um, thank you for those 1362 00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,640 comments. Um, let me just add my 1363 00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,400 comments to what's been presented so 1364 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,000 far. Um I I do have some concerns about 1365 00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,559 potentially moving um the Veterans 1366 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,960 Memorial or Centennial Park. During our 1367 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,040 housing discussion, there were 1368 00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,119 passionate discussions or feedback from 1369 00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:22,720 residents. It's very it's a very 1370 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,200 meaningful space. I agree. It may seem 1371 00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,880 like we could move it to a better spot 1372 00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:30,240 in this 2.3 acre site, but it carries a 1373 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:32,319 lot of meaning and it would be like move 1374 00:59:32,319 --> 00:59:33,920 I hate to say this will be like moving a 1375 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:35,359 graveyard. It's not the same thing, 1376 00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:37,280 right? and and so it it is a very 1377 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,880 meaningful 1378 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,280 um it just carries a lot of meaning for 1379 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:42,640 many residents. So I think that should 1380 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:44,960 be taken into serious considerations as 1381 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,839 we go forward. 1382 00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:52,000 >> Um but as council member Crowley pointed 1383 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:53,599 out 1384 00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:56,240 I as I'm listening to this what what I 1385 00:59:56,240 --> 01:00:00,079 know for a fact is how do you proceed 1386 01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:04,000 with this even if you do phasing? Okay. 1387 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:07,760 Um clearly we have a commitment to HCD 1388 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:11,359 to come up with an additional 16 units. 1389 01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:15,040 We do not have I mean the the cost alone 1390 01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,799 looking at it on paper is quite 1391 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:18,799 prohibitive. So clearly you're going to 1392 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:21,440 need to do this in phasing in which case 1393 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,799 I don't see a path forward to have 16 1394 01:00:24,799 --> 01:00:27,839 units built on the site within the next 1395 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:30,319 five to six years. Actually, it's four 1396 01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:34,160 years when our current arena cycle 1397 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,400 expires, we at least need to permit 1398 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,000 those 16 units. So, even if you were to 1399 01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,640 phase back on HPD and let's say you 1400 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,040 decide HPD will be number two, you got 1401 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:46,559 to do something about our police 1402 01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:50,559 department, there are certain quote 1403 01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:53,599 guidelines that needs to be upgraded. So 1404 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,599 even if you were to say that goes number 1405 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,000 two and we can come up with some funding 1406 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,760 for that may have a little more flexibility 1407 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,720 with time but we do have to perform on 1408 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:08,160 the housing front and I cannot imagine 1409 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:13,040 for 16 units you going to take a $225 1410 01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,119 million project and charge forward 1411 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:19,520 knowing that there are other key pieces 1412 01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,440 which is police department and town 1413 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,240 hall. I'm not I agree you are not the 1414 01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,079 money lady. [laughter] I'm not I'm 1415 01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:27,839 looking at you because you presented. I 1416 01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:29,200 should be looking at this person over 1417 01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,559 here. [laughter] 1418 01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,640 I should be looking at our city our city 1419 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,799 manager and our staff. But I'm just sort 1420 01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:37,119 of addressing the whole community. 1421 01:01:37,119 --> 01:01:40,079 There's a real practical improbability 1422 01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:42,319 here from a timeline standpoint. And I 1423 01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:44,000 just want to convey that to the to the 1424 01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,200 staff. I I just don't see a path forward 1425 01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,280 because now you have one project that's 1426 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,520 on a shorter timeline of approximately 1427 01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,319 four years which is the 16 units. You 1428 01:01:54,319 --> 01:01:56,559 have police department which might be on 1429 01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:59,839 maybe four to five or six year timeline 1430 01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:01,920 and then you have town hall which we may 1431 01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,680 have the most flexibility with with 1432 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,319 regards to timeline. So, how do you 1433 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:08,480 phase this out? But how do you start 1434 01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,040 with not only the least, the smallest in 1435 01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,160 the bucket, but perhaps the one that 1436 01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,799 doesn't make any cogent sense in terms 1437 01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:20,559 of it would I mean, if you think about, 1438 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,720 you know, if you if you're going to um 1439 01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,960 do a major remodeling, you always have 1440 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,720 to be practical in terms of how you 1441 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:28,240 phase things out and how you lay things 1442 01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:32,240 out. So, I do have concerns that the the 1443 01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,640 timeline for performing on those 16 1444 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:38,480 units may have boxed us in into perhaps 1445 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,119 looking at starting with a bigger um 1446 01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:42,799 aspect of this such as the police 1447 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,440 department. Um, which we're still not in 1448 01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,839 any position to start under that 1449 01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:51,119 four-year um uh it's actually the end of 1450 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:52,640 this year. We have to give some kind of 1451 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,040 report midcycle updates as far as how 1452 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,680 we're doing on all of our arena numbers. 1453 01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,920 So those are the concern as I'm 1454 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,520 listening to this is like practically 1455 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,720 how does this roll out? I'm not seeing the path forward um of 1456 01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,760 the whole project and I agree that we do 1457 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,359 need to phase this out but um we still 1458 01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:16,319 have to respond to that 16 units. Um 1459 01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:18,160 those are my feedback and unless there's 1460 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:19,839 additional feedback I'll have us move to 1461 01:03:19,839 --> 01:03:21,599 the petition. 1462 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,000 >> Yes, Vice Mayor Rexdale. 1463 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:28,480 >> Thank you. Um so some of my comments are 1464 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:31,359 um practical and some are not. So some 1465 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:33,680 it's a universe in which there's tons of 1466 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,359 money and uh some are are more in terms 1467 01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:40,400 of the practicalities. Um so just going 1468 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,920 over because I know we wanted feedback 1469 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:46,319 on on the um concepts. Um I loved all of 1470 01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:50,160 the green options and happy to see that 1471 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,880 those would be in either. Um I loved all 1472 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:57,280 of those. Um uh I wanted to know this is 1473 01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,039 a question that I don't expect to be 1474 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,720 answered today. Um but the expense of uh 1475 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,359 moving walnut I would love to have that 1476 01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:07,599 um a separate a separate piece because 1477 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:10,880 that was a very good point. Um I do just 1478 01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,559 conceptually 1479 01:04:12,559 --> 01:04:16,640 uh like the um civic ridge line concept 1480 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,599 better. Um but then again that that 1481 01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,359 price does make a does make a 1482 01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:24,559 difference. Um I think both I love that 1483 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,680 community space is sorely needed. Uh but 1484 01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,640 then again um hopefully 40 Baywood is 1485 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,200 happening. Um so maybe that's less of a 1486 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:37,520 concern. Um I liked that using the um 1487 01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,559 16th floor abundant for the surface 1488 01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:42,960 parking. I do think yes people are 1489 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,200 taking Uber and Lift more and probably 1490 01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,200 will do that for maybe to come to light 1491 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:49,599 up the town and things. Um, but we do 1492 01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:51,839 have the uh employee parking and the 1493 01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:53,440 people doing oneoff, so you're coming 1494 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,400 for their permits and things. So, um, I 1495 01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,480 do I do like having the greater number 1496 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,559 of parking spots again if possible. Um, 1497 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:06,480 in terms of phasing, uh, we could 1498 01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,119 consider using if we if we're not doing 1499 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:12,160 town hall now or ever, consider using 1500 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:16,319 the 1640 floor abunda or um staff 1501 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:19,920 overflow once the um fire department has 1502 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,880 moved out. Um, that could work out 1503 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,240 nicely. Um, this is a small thing, but 1504 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,720 the conceptual that the the the the 1505 01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,920 hedges in between the cars and the Civic 1506 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:34,319 Ridge line, I I just didn't care for 1507 01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:37,440 that. Maybe maybe think of hay fever. 1508 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:38,720 Those are the things I'm one of the 1509 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,839 things I'm allergic to. Um 1510 01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:45,440 uh I I did like in both plans that the 1511 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,680 housing was uh listening to the neighbor 1512 01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:49,760 concerns apart from the petition of 1513 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,119 course, but listening to the neighbor 1514 01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:53,359 concerns to have the parking uh closer 1515 01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:55,520 to El Camino. So I appreciated that in 1516 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,200 both plans. Um and the mail drop. I love 1517 01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,680 the mail drop and uh again residents 1518 01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:04,240 love the mail drop. Um no underground 1519 01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,039 parking. that's really um important to 1520 01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:13,440 the residents and also rice. Um and um I 1521 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,599 think yep I think those are those are my 1522 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:18,000 thoughts like I said some some practical 1523 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:21,920 and some not. Council me council 1524 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,559 >> thank you. Um I think you probably heard 1525 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,480 from this das that there is strong 1526 01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:29,119 interest in terms of facing like find 1527 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:32,160 figure out a way how we can look at each 1528 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,000 of the project and parse it out and so 1529 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,839 that we can look at in terms of the 1530 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,000 financing in terms of the f the 1531 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,319 practicality of how we can proceed right 1532 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,880 you know anytime that we delay it's 1533 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:44,480 going to get pricey 1534 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880 >> pricier every time. So to the extent 1535 01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,400 that we have to bite the bullets and 1536 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,640 then figure out how to do this, I think 1537 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,359 it would requires that um the staff 1538 01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:55,039 would help us you know in terms of 1539 01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,839 looking at facing it. So look at the 1540 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,559 project. Um my preference is that the 1541 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:02,880 police and the fire police and the town 1542 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,920 hall are separate. um simply for the 1543 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,880 fact that this the service that they 1544 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:10,799 provide, the security that they need to 1545 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:14,720 ensure um the multiple um functionality 1546 01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,599 that they're providing and nowadays with 1547 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:22,240 the drone, with uh the surveillance and all the technologies that they have 1548 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,359 to um it it seemed to me that the way 1549 01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:26,880 that we can provide some kind of 1550 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,400 independent 1551 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:29,920 um 1552 01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,480 building will be will be making sense. 1553 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:38,400 Um I um I think that our centennial 1554 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,079 um park is wonderful. It was meant to be 1555 01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:45,359 a designated area for people to come and 1556 01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:47,280 reflect and things like that. There's 1557 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,000 really as far as I'm aware of not 1558 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,000 artifact that that needs to be concerned 1559 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,680 of. However, it is not really well used 1560 01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:57,280 in the way that because the 1561 01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,680 functionality that has been designed. 1562 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,640 Um, I know that during co um we have 1563 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,400 tried to come up creative ways to make 1564 01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,960 sure that we recognize the the veterans 1565 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,599 and the the uh providing the memorial 1566 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:12,000 recognitions and so forth. And that's 1567 01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,799 how I spend some time looking at that garden and realize that if there's 1568 01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:20,000 any relocation that where we can have a 1569 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,520 better 1570 01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:25,520 um design and have people come and 1571 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,239 reflect on that. I'm open to it. I think 1572 01:08:28,239 --> 01:08:37,679 that that there there is opportunity for that. Um so um the the one of 1573 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:40,080 parking initially I'm not warming up to 1574 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,480 that because I thought 1575 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,600 those bro lands are expensive right but 1576 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,480 the reality is that that also opened up 1577 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:50,400 opportunity for us to have the outdoor 1578 01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,960 events and so the flexibility of that is 1579 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,600 you know is welcoming. Um so that would 1580 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,960 be just the extent of my uh comments. 1581 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,279 Thank you. Thank you. Any additional 1582 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:04,400 comments? 1583 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,560 >> Just just one quick one. Um I just want 1584 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,640 to point out that the consultants 1585 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,640 phasing for Ali was to build HPD, move 1586 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,159 HPD into portables, build HPD and 1587 01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:18,400 housing at the same time. So that would 1588 01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,560 save time. And and I have a question 1589 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,120 because we've gone over the entry at the 1590 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,679 access and it's still not clear to me if 1591 01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:30,159 you were to put 16 units let's assume is 1592 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:32,319 closer to where the PD exists right now 1593 01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:34,960 next to the church where would those 1594 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,759 residents access the community through 1595 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:40,960 the town center. 1596 01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,080 >> So it it is different in both schemes. 1597 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,960 So on the singular building they would 1598 01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,719 be accessing it um that the civic ridge 1599 01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,799 line scheme it's garden apartments. So 1600 01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:54,320 they'd be Do you want me to go to it? 1601 01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:00,229 Sorry might be easier. 1602 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,960 So, it's garden apartments, meaning that 1603 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,840 the parking you see on Walnut at the 1604 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,280 very back becomes housing parking. 1605 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,199 And then on El Camino, they could walk 1606 01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,360 straight in from El Camino and access 1607 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:15,520 the apartments there. And so, it's 1608 01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,719 actually between the the housing access 1609 01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:21,840 on this scheme is between the church and 1610 01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,800 the long bar of the blue building. 1611 01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,120 >> So, they will access in terms of 1612 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,800 driving. They will come up Flory Bunder 1613 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,520 and make a right on Walnut to access the 1614 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:32,320 parking. 1615 01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,000 >> Yeah. And drive into 1616 01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:35,280 >> Okay. So, they will be accessing through 1617 01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,120 Flory Bunder Walnut. 1618 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,000 >> Yeah. 1619 01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,159 >> Um because there is no direct access to 1620 01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:41,760 El Camino on this scheme. 1621 01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:42,320 >> Correct. Okay. 1622 01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,159 >> And then on the other scheme, they're 1623 01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:46,880 just direct directly coming off of El 1624 01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,520 Camino to the podium parking. 1625 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:50,640 >> Sorry, I'm gonna go 1626 01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,800 >> um 1627 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,480 >> directly off of El Camino into the 1628 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,360 podium. How how do you access that? I 1629 01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,679 thought that was a private um access for 1630 01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:02,719 PD. H is there lights there? How do you 1631 01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:03,760 access that? 1632 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:07,360 >> Um at the top, like right by the church 1633 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,239 parking, you see a black car going into 1634 01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:12,880 the podium parking for housing. That's 1635 01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:15,040 the access for housing. And then in 1636 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,199 between housing and police, you see a 1637 01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:20,080 blue car going in. That's police access 1638 01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,800 going in there. So the access for 1639 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,960 parking of El Camino 1640 01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,640 >> you you you basically describing will 1641 01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:32,640 there be a light a stop sign? H how will 1642 01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,120 residents access El Camino from the 1643 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,080 housing 1644 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:40,159 >> they so residents from from the housing 1645 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,679 >> the residents who will be occupying the 1646 01:11:43,679 --> 01:11:46,000 um housing the fourstory housing how 1647 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,040 will they access El Camino where the 1648 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:50,719 black car is entering 1649 01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:52,960 >> they'll be turning in and off of El 1650 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:56,080 Camino there it's at the edge of the lot 1651 01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,120 so it's far you could put in a light 1652 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,640 there could be there that could be a 1653 01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:01,840 consider consideration or it could 1654 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,159 become um a right turn only if that were 1655 01:12:04,159 --> 01:12:06,480 needed. But it's far enough from the 1656 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,640 corner at that back of the lot that they 1657 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,480 would just be turning into the podium 1658 01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:12,719 parking there. So all of those things 1659 01:12:12,719 --> 01:12:14,640 are considerations as further traffic 1660 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,640 study are done to say like oh do you 1661 01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,120 only want to have you know right turn 1662 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,640 like only not crossing cross traffic to 1663 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:22,960 get in. 1664 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,199 >> So they will not access the campus they 1665 01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,520 will only Okay. 1666 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,440 >> Yeah. Madame Mayor, if I could add just 1667 01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,600 a bit to that as well. If you That's our 1668 01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:35,199 Oak Grove uh stoplight is is just north 1669 01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:37,120 of that. So, if you're looking at that 1670 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,080 black car, the Berling game stoplight of 1671 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,600 Oak Grove right there where the school 1672 01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,920 is in the church, this would be just 1673 01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,679 south of that. So, the stoplight would 1674 01:12:45,679 --> 01:12:47,360 be there and immediately after that stop 1675 01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,840 light would be the entrance into the uh 1676 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,840 into this particular formation of the 1677 01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:52,719 housing. 1678 01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:55,040 >> Okay. So, then you will come back up. 1679 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:55,360 Um, 1680 01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:58,239 >> yeah. I mean, either way, you could if there was a 1681 01:12:58,239 --> 01:12:59,600 >> because that's you could be entering 1682 01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:00,880 into Berling game, right? 1683 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,679 >> Yeah. You if you're coming uh northbound 1684 01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:05,760 up up the El Camino and you'd be making 1685 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,000 a lefthand turn into there. If you were 1686 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,199 coming southbound, it would be 1687 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,840 immediately after the traffic light uh 1688 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,440 from Oak Grove. So, we'd have to put 1689 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:14,960 some traffic control devices in. But, 1690 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,120 just to give you a spatial orientation, 1691 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,239 that's where it would be at. There's 1692 01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:19,760 already a controlled intersection right 1693 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,440 there. It's just it's a little bit 1694 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,440 awkward uh just because it's that 1695 01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:25,120 controlled intersection is probably 1696 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,159 about 5 to 10 yards 1697 01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:29,920 up a little bit from where that car 1698 01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:31,199 you're looking at is now. So, we'd 1699 01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:33,040 certainly work with Berling game to make 1700 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:34,400 a smoother transition. 1701 01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,880 >> Okay. Well, I just um wasn't it still 1702 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,159 wasn't clear to me, but that that's 1703 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,560 really helpful. They will be entry into 1704 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,320 Berling game and then come back up. 1705 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,320 Okay. Mayor, I have another comment. 1706 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,400 >> Oh, yes. Yes. Um Council Member Adams. 1707 01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,800 Yes. Um, I just want to make it really 1708 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,760 clear that I agree with council member 1709 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:56,320 Schwang that police and uh our council 1710 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:59,120 and our city hall should be separate 1711 01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,000 buildings. There are so many sensitive 1712 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,840 things that happen in the police 1713 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,600 department that I feel it's 1714 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,440 uncomfortable to have them in the same 1715 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:10,000 building. And I also feel it's 1716 01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:13,280 uncomfortable in town LA with a police 1717 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,880 station that close to housing. 1718 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:20,320 So, I'm I'm really not happy with either 1719 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,159 of the schemes, but I can see parts of 1720 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:28,080 them being rearranged, parts of each. 1721 01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:31,520 For example, building the housing on El 1722 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,520 Camino, which makes a lot of sense for 1723 01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:35,520 the people who are living there. They 1724 01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,400 have easy walking access to El Camino. 1725 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,120 And I do like the entrance. 1726 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,640 Keep town hall about as it is with 1727 01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:48,400 improvements. put the police station on 1728 01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:52,239 1640 with lots of buffers from the 1729 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:56,159 existing community, uh, trees, uh, 1730 01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:00,159 hedges. So, it's a private space. I I 1731 01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:02,320 just think there's a lot that we haven't 1732 01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:07,199 really included in the best way. So, we 1733 01:15:07,199 --> 01:15:10,159 can build on what's happened, but I 1734 01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,000 don't feel comfortable saying do this 1735 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,280 one or do that one. I really feel we 1736 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,080 need a little bit of breathing space to 1737 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,640 rethink this in some way. So I 1738 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,040 appreciate what's all the discussion, 1739 01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:26,400 but I have to say I I don't think we can 1740 01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:31,199 give feedback that says do this one and 1741 01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:34,080 we need to get to that pretty quickly. 1742 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,480 >> Thank you. Um some of the guidance that 1743 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,360 we gave was the police requested to be 1744 01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,840 closer to El Camino and we had very 1745 01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:44,480 vocal push back for residents about 1746 01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:46,719 having the police up behind Fairway 1747 01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:47,440 Circle. 1748 01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:51,120 >> Okay. Um I just in the interest of time 1749 01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,239 I will have us proceed with item B which 1750 01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:57,040 is um 1751 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:59,679 a reading of the petition which was sent 1752 01:15:59,679 --> 01:16:01,840 to all council members. And this was um 1753 01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,520 first of all thank you so much. That was 1754 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:05,920 an outstanding presentation, exciting 1755 01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,840 discussion and please [clears throat] be 1756 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,640 reassured everything we just discussed 1757 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,640 will factor into this whole plan going 1758 01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,480 forward and we're greatly appreciative 1759 01:16:14,480 --> 01:16:16,000 of everything you've been doing. Thank 1760 01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,640 you so much. Um before we move to item 1761 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,040 B, um it looks like um 1762 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,840 I'm sorry you you had who who will be we 1763 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,480 have someone in the chambers who Yes. Um 1764 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:30,719 item B is the petition. Let me just read 1765 01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:33,280 this for the records. Hold on a second. 1766 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,040 Um, 1767 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:36,480 acknowledgement of petition and 1768 01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:38,800 consideration of agenda agenda is in 1769 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,960 discussion of a housing element 1770 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:42,719 amendment. 1771 01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:45,920 And um, before you start, I will ask uh, 1772 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:48,719 Lewis to make any comments before you 1773 01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:52,950 um, proceed. 1774 01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:57,280 » Thank you. Um so just for the record on 1775 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:00,560 uh the 31st on Friday July 31st the town 1776 01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,120 received a communication um included a 1777 01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,560 petition which was attached in the uh 1778 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:12,320 agenda packet and um that requested that 1779 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:14,480 the city council direct staff to prepare 1780 01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:16,560 and submit a housing element amendment 1781 01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,040 relocating 16 housing units currently 1782 01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:21,199 identified at the town hall site to the 1783 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:25,840 Tobin Clark site. Um 1784 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,840 there's uh 1785 01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:34,719 the the item tonight is a discussion. Um 1786 01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:39,920 we are not requesting um any decision. 1787 01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,840 Um, but staff's recommendation is to 1788 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:45,840 open public comment and have discussion 1789 01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,320 and then direct staff on whether or not 1790 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,920 to agendize the topic of a housing 1791 01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,880 element amendment for future discussion 1792 01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,920 and if so, what if any topics the 1793 01:17:57,920 --> 01:17:59,440 council would like included in that 1794 01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:00,880 future discussion? 1795 01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,040 >> Okay, thank you. And I'm sorry, could 1796 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:05,120 you just introduce yourself again? 1797 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:05,600 >> Sorry. 1798 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,400 >> Riyad Salma, 816 Eucalyptus. 1799 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:09,920 >> Hello. Welcome. 1800 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:12,080 >> Thank you. Um, as mentioned, this 1801 01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,600 petition was circulated not too long 1802 01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,400 ago. It was signed by 1803 01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:20,000 over 100 households in town, and I was 1804 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,000 asked to read it into the record here. 1805 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:23,360 >> If you could speak into the mic so we 1806 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:26,239 can get it in the recording. Thank you. 1807 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,000 The undersigned Hillsboro residents 1808 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:29,679 respectfully request that the town 1809 01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:31,520 council amend the housing element to 1810 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,600 relocate the 16 affordable housing units 1811 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,040 currently assigned to the town hall 1812 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,440 campus to the Coben Clark site, creating 1813 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:41,040 a single 116 unit housing development. 1814 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,440 This petition supports all 116 housing 1815 01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,520 units. It supports all affordability 1816 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,840 commitments. It supports full housing 1817 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,000 element compliance. It does not reduce 1818 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,960 Hillsborough's RHNA obligations. And it 1819 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,440 requests only a change in location. 1820 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:57,120 The undersigned Hillsboro residents 1821 01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:58,400 respectfully request that the town 1822 01:18:58,400 --> 01:18:59,679 council pursue a housing element 1823 01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:02,640 amendment relocating the 16 affordable 1824 01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:03,840 units currently assigned to the town 1825 01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:05,760 hall campus to the Cloen Clark site 1826 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:08,480 while preserving all 16 116 planned 1827 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:10,480 housing units, all affordability 1828 01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:11,840 equipments and full compliance with 1829 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,080 state housing law. This petition does 1830 01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,560 not reduce housing, reduce afford 1831 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,960 affordability, or reduce Hillsboro's 1832 01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,920 RHNA obligations. It simply places the 1833 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,280 housing where it is most likely to be 1834 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:26,080 successfully delivered. 1835 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,159 Background. The town of Hillsboro's 1836 01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:31,199 adopted 2023 to 2031 housing element 1837 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:32,480 certified by the California Department 1838 01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:34,480 of Housing and Community Development in 1839 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:37,840 December 2023 designates two town-owned 1840 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,320 sites for multifamily housing. The town 1841 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,280 hall campus 16 units and the Tobin Clark 1842 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,239 estate 100 units. The town hall campus, 1843 01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,560 an approximately 2.5 acre parcel at 1844 01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,719 Florab Bunda Avenue in El Camino Rial, 1845 01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:52,640 was designated to deliver seven very 1846 01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:56,159 low-income and nine lowincome units. 1847 01:19:56,159 --> 01:19:58,080 Since adoption, the town has been 1848 01:19:58,080 --> 01:19:59,760 actively engaged in planning the campus 1849 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,520 redevelopment for over two years. 1850 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,600 Through multiple consultant engagements, 1851 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:06,080 a community vision meeting in May 2024, 1852 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,640 and an ongoing town council subcommittee 1853 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:10,320 represented a substantial investment of 1854 01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,280 public time and funds. 1855 01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:14,960 Critical hardships discovered through 1856 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,280 extensive due diligence. 1857 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,880 Despite this diligent effort and 1858 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:20,560 significant expenditure, consultants 1859 01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,239 have now uncovered fundamental 1860 01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:24,320 constraints that make a compliant 1861 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:26,400 highquality development of housing, town 1862 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,640 hall, and the police station on this 2.5 1863 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,960 acre site infeasible. 1864 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:33,520 A primary HCHE water transmission main 1865 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:34,960 runs directly beneath the proposed 1866 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,239 development footprint, severely 1867 01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:37,600 restricting the building placement, 1868 01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,679 structural design options, and overall 1869 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:41,520 site capacity. 1870 01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,520 Every site layout that accommodates 16 1871 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,520 residential units result in a 1872 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,600 substandard town hall and a substandard 1873 01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,280 police station facilities that are 1874 01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,040 undersized and fail to meet the 1875 01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,480 functional and operational needs of the 1876 01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:53,760 community and the Hillsbor Police 1877 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,640 Department. including 16 residential 1878 01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,880 units on the site comprises safe and 1879 01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,920 efficient on the site comprises safe and 1880 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,400 efficient vehicle access, emergency 1881 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,960 response, site circulation, construction 1882 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:08,960 staging, and future municipality 1883 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,679 flexibility for both civic facilities, a 1884 01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:13,120 significant public safety and 1885 01:21:13,120 --> 01:21:15,600 operational concern, 1886 01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:17,679 environmental, infrastructure and fiscal 1887 01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:20,880 concerns. A 2019 town evaluation 1888 01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:22,480 reportedly identified groundwater 1889 01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:25,120 issues, utility deficiencies, creek and 1890 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,760 culvert concerns, seismic issues, 1891 01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,440 asbestous, lead, and potential 1892 01:21:29,440 --> 01:21:32,000 contamination concerns. While these 1893 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,080 issues may ultimately be addressed, they 1894 01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,320 increase uncertainty, development risk, 1895 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,120 and project cost and project cost when 1896 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,280 compared to a more suitable housing 1897 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:42,719 site. 1898 01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:44,960 After approximately two years of study 1899 01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,199 and roughly 400,000 in public 1900 01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:49,679 expenditures, the evidence suggests that 1901 01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:51,280 the continued pursuit of residential 1902 01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,679 development at the town hall campus may 1903 01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:55,280 require significant additional 1904 01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:56,639 investment before the site's 1905 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:59,199 sustainability can be fully understood. 1906 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,520 When a viable alternative exists that 1907 01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,320 preserves all 116 planned housing units 1908 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,560 and all affordability commitments, the 1909 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,719 more fiscally responsible and practical 1910 01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:10,719 course is to relocate the 16 affordable 1911 01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:12,880 units to the Tobin Clark site where the 1912 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,960 town hall can focus its housing efforts 1913 01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,199 on a location specifically intended for 1914 01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:20,080 only residential development. 1915 01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:21,920 Civic and public safety functions should 1916 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,639 not be compromised. The town hall campus 1917 01:22:24,639 --> 01:22:27,679 is not an ordinary vacant parcel. is the 1918 01:22:27,679 --> 01:22:30,159 operational center of government and 1919 01:22:30,159 --> 01:22:32,639 public safety. Redevelopment decisions 1920 01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:34,159 should preserve the town's ability to 1921 01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:36,400 provide core services, maintain safe 1922 01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,800 circulation and emergency access, 1923 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,360 support police operations, accommodate 1924 01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:43,520 public access to town facilities, and 1925 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,960 adapt municipal facilities over time. 1926 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,239 The redevelopment of the town hall 1927 01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,400 campus is an important civic opportunity 1928 01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,800 to provide a town hall that serves the 1929 01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,239 community and a police station that 1930 01:22:54,239 --> 01:22:56,639 meets modern operational standards. 1931 01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:59,280 Forcing 16 residential units onto a site 1932 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:00,480 constrained by underground 1933 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,320 infrastructure easements, limited 1934 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,800 acreage, environmental uncertainty, and 1935 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:06,960 access limitations would permanently 1936 01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,440 compromise that effort. The town's 1937 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:11,520 housing obligation is genuine and must 1938 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:14,880 be honored. So is it so is its 1939 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:16,800 responsibility to deliver functional 1940 01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,960 facilities. There is a better path 1941 01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:20,639 forward. 1942 01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:22,719 Conclusion. This petition supports 1943 01:23:22,719 --> 01:23:25,520 housing. It supports affordable housing. 1944 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:26,960 And this petition supports full 1945 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,520 compliance with state housing law. 1946 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,199 We respectfully petition the town 1947 01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:32,880 council to direct staff to prepare and 1948 01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,560 submit a formal housing element 1949 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:38,639 amendment to HCD that removes the 16 1950 01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,080 residential units from the town hall 1951 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,120 campus site, transfers those 16 units to 1952 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:45,120 the already accepted Tobin Clark site, 1953 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:47,520 preserving the full 116 unit housing 1954 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,360 program and all affordability 1955 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,239 commitments, and documents the over 1956 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,480 400,000 expended to consultants on due 1957 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:56,960 diligence, the HCHE water line 1958 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,920 constraint, site access, limitation, 1959 01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:02,239 substandard facility findings, 1960 01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:03,760 environmental and infrastructure 1961 01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,400 concerns, and fiscal risk considerations 1962 01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:08,480 as the evidentiary basis for the 1963 01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:10,080 amendment. 1964 01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:12,000 Over two years of planning, multiple 1965 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,600 consultant rounds, and significant 1966 01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,120 public investment have now produced 1967 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:17,679 clear objective evidence. The town can 1968 01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:20,000 fulfill its housing obligations and 1969 01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,679 provide civic facilities that meet the 1970 01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:23,840 long-term needs of residents, but only 1971 01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,159 if the council acts to remove to move 1972 01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:28,000 these 16 units to a site that can 1973 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,239 receive them. We urge the council to do 1974 01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,239 so without delay. 1975 01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,480 >> Um, thank you, Mrs. Salma. Um, just for 1976 01:24:34,480 --> 01:24:36,000 clarification, 1977 01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,159 um, this item is not in front of the 1978 01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,560 city council for a decision tonight. It 1979 01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,320 is informative. 1980 01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:44,560 We will make some general comments and 1981 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,719 give direction to the staff. with 1982 01:24:46,719 --> 01:24:48,400 regards to how to proceed, but thanks 1983 01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:50,400 for your efforts and um much 1984 01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:51,280 appreciated. 1985 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,400 >> Thank you. Um before we ask the public 1986 01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:56,960 to comment, do any of my colleagues want 1987 01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:58,480 to comment and what was what was just 1988 01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,960 read into the um what was read into the 1989 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,800 record? 1990 01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:04,560 >> Yes. Um Vice Mayor Rex, 1991 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:06,719 >> my comments are for after public 1992 01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:07,600 comment. 1993 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,199 >> Okay. 1994 01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,040 Um Council Member Krollic, 1995 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:12,960 >> I I have a question this time for 1996 01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,199 questions from staff. question is public 1997 01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:16,239 comments still open? 1998 01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:17,920 >> No, we haven't gone to public comments 1999 01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,560 yet. I'm asking um city council members 2000 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,800 if they have specific questions and then 2001 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,880 we'll give we'll and the questions 2002 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,560 should be directed to staff at this 2003 01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:29,840 point. Um as I noted, we are not making 2004 01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:31,920 a deliberative decision specifically as 2005 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:33,920 to whether to proceed with the 2006 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,719 recommendations in the petition. Um 2007 01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:38,960 council member um Adams. Yes. 2008 01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,280 >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Yes, I think that 2009 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:43,120 would be an important thing to 2010 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:48,159 reiterate. On page 30 of our book in in 2011 01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:50,560 the middle of the page, it says, "At 2012 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:53,600 this time, staff is not seeking 2013 01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,719 direction regarding the merits of the 2014 01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:59,120 requested amendment or recommending that 2015 01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,159 the town initiate an amendment. Rather, 2016 01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:05,440 staff is seeking direction solely as to 2017 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:07,360 whether the city council would like this 2018 01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:10,400 matter agendaized for a future 2019 01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:13,440 substantive discussion. So, that's 2020 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:15,280 really important, I think, to 2021 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,880 reemphasize that. I think what we would 2022 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:22,000 be asking for is more information about 2023 01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:24,639 the process of an amendment regardless 2024 01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:28,560 of what the amendment is, the process of 2025 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,280 uh how the state would receive that and 2026 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:33,840 the pros and cons of going into that 2027 01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:36,800 process. Uh but it's really not to 2028 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,280 discuss the merits of this particular uh 2029 01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:44,320 suggested uh amendment. 2030 01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:46,880 >> Well stated. Thank you. Um, any 2031 01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:51,510 additional comments? 2032 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,120 No, before I I'm I'm about to go to 2033 01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:54,880 public comments in a few minutes. Yes. 2034 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,639 So, I will go to public comments. You 2035 01:26:56,639 --> 01:26:58,400 said you will wait until after public 2036 01:26:58,400 --> 01:26:58,800 comments. 2037 01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,560 >> Question of staff. 2038 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:00,880 >> Um, 2039 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,560 >> is this the time or after public? 2040 01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,600 >> After public comment. Okay. Um, any any 2041 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,320 public willing I mean available or 2042 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,440 interested in commenting or asking 2043 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:14,719 questions. Yes, we have. 2044 01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:16,159 >> Um, you can go ahead. 2045 01:27:16,159 --> 01:27:16,880 >> Yeah, thank you. 2046 01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,550 >> Yes, 2047 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:21,600 » Jeff. 2048 01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,560 >> Hello, Jeff. 2049 01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:23,600 >> The corner, you guys know, and I was one 2050 01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:24,719 of the uh people who collected the 2051 01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,239 signatures. Um, first I want to say 2052 01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:27,920 thank you. Um, you know, I know this has 2053 01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:29,280 been a challenging process and it's 2054 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:30,639 taken a lot of time and effort to get to 2055 01:27:30,639 --> 01:27:31,520 this far. And so, 2056 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:32,880 >> could you move closer to the mic so we 2057 01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,080 can capture your comments? 2058 01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:35,520 >> And so, I appreciate all the efforts you 2059 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,600 guys have put into this. Um, from my 2060 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:38,719 perspective, I just wanted to share a 2061 01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:39,840 little bit of the rationale for this, 2062 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,280 right? And I think listening to the 2063 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:42,800 discussion you all just had about the 2064 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,560 site and the options, you know, one of 2065 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,000 the reasons we put this forward is 2066 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,840 because when we originally thought about 2067 01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:49,920 the town hall site before the arena uh 2068 01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:51,760 requirements came into place, it was 2069 01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,600 important to us that this site became a 2070 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,280 space to collect the community. If you 2071 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:56,639 think about the spaces that we have in 2072 01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:58,320 this town where we where we're able to 2073 01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,000 uh congregate, it's the schools, it's 2074 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,080 Vista Park, there just aren't that many 2075 01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:03,360 spaces and that felt like a bit of a 2076 01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,520 miss for us. And so as we got excited 2077 01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:07,199 about the town hall site, we wanted a 2078 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:08,639 community center. We wanted a space 2079 01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:09,840 where the community could come together 2080 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,159 and collect and we could actually um do 2081 01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:14,159 things on a civic basis and and and as 2082 01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,920 we be gotten to this process and the 2083 01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:17,679 housing got put on top of this site. 2084 01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:19,199 What we saw was that we started to make 2085 01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:20,639 compromises and move further and further 2086 01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:22,800 away from that. And I recognize sort of 2087 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,159 the competing priorities around the 2088 01:28:24,159 --> 01:28:25,360 housing. And it's why it was important 2089 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,600 for us both through our ADU requirements 2090 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:28,800 as well as through what we're doing at 2091 01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,239 Tobin Clark to say that we're not trying 2092 01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:31,679 to get around our requirements. In fact, 2093 01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:33,280 we embrace them. But we're trying to 2094 01:28:33,280 --> 01:28:34,880 create an opportunity that that uh 2095 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,080 maximizes the the the the community uh 2096 01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,760 feel and experience for all of our 2097 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,239 residents. And so as we went around and 2098 01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:43,920 collected the various signatures, what 2099 01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,360 we found, and you'll see they're from 2100 01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:46,560 all over Hillsboro. They're not just 2101 01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,719 from around this space, was that the 2102 01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:50,239 reasons for people signing it were very 2103 01:28:50,239 --> 01:28:51,840 different, but we were all united in 2104 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,600 this request. People who live around 2105 01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,360 this site, right, you guys articulated 2106 01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:56,960 some of this. The the parking is a 2107 01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,639 concern that's going to happen. the fact 2108 01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:00,400 that as one of you cited the police 2109 01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:01,760 station next to a residential just 2110 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,239 didn't feel right. um you know for 2111 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:05,920 another time we can talk but locating 2112 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,440 the police station right next to our 2113 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,199 houses quite frankly is unacceptable to 2114 01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:11,120 the residents here and so there just so 2115 01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,880 many trade-offs and so what we didn't 2116 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,960 see today was a design that if we didn't 2117 01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:16,320 have the housing on this site that if we 2118 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,239 did have it at Tobin Clark what could we 2119 01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:19,360 do with the space what are the 2120 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:21,280 possibilities and so I'd like for the 2121 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,040 city council to request that to explore 2122 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,040 that option and weigh that against what 2123 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,800 it looks like with housing on this site 2124 01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,320 and begin to get a feel for what we 2125 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:29,520 really could make this and turn this 2126 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,679 into and so that was the spirit of our 2127 01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:33,199 request is that we felt like there were 2128 01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:35,199 too many compromises and it not only was 2129 01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:36,480 negative for the community but it'd be 2130 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:37,679 negative for the future residents who 2131 01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:39,600 had to would live in those spaces that 2132 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,280 quite frankly would be in a suboptimized 2133 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,120 uh uh living arrangement. So just want 2134 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,320 to give that context. Thank you all for 2135 01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:44,800 the time. 2136 01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,320 >> Thank you for your comments. Appreciate 2137 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,639 that. And I'm going to start with um 2138 01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,480 those are the all the public comments we 2139 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:52,560 have. I assume nothing on Zoom. 2140 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,239 >> Thank you, Mayor Call. I'll just ask if 2141 01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:55,679 there's anyone on Zoom who would like to 2142 01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:59,990 provide comments on this item. 2143 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,000 And I'm not seeing any raised hands. 2144 01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:02,480 Thank you. 2145 01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:03,760 >> Okay, I'll start with Council Member 2146 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,360 Crowley. You wanted to make some 2147 01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:06,159 comments. 2148 01:30:06,159 --> 01:30:07,920 >> One question of the petitioners. When 2149 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:09,600 you were collecting signatures from all 2150 01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,199 over Hillsboro, how many did you get 2151 01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:18,550 from people on Tournament Drive? 2152 01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,520 » So my question of staff is if we 2153 01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:23,840 agendaize this. 2154 01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:26,800 So, we already have as part of our 2155 01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:28,639 public record, as part of the housing 2156 01:30:28,639 --> 01:30:31,280 element process that we had our former 2157 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:33,360 city manager had a consultant who 2158 01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,880 brought forth a plan that showed that 2159 01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,639 the town hall site could accommodate 2160 01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:40,960 more than a hundred units. Isn't that 2161 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,070 right? 2162 01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:45,600 » That's correct. 2163 01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,080 >> And then we had a meeting as part of the 2164 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,920 housing element where council actually 2165 01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:53,280 approved 75 units on this site. That's 2166 01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:57,440 part of public record, correct? 2167 01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:00,239 >> I I believe so. I don't know if it was 2168 01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:04,400 approval. I think it was direction to um 2169 01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:04,960 pursue 2170 01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,600 >> in April of 24. So, we gave staff 2171 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:11,520 direction to pursue 75 units. Then, in 2172 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:15,840 response to the neighbors requests, we 2173 01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:19,520 lowered that to 16 units. And then from 2174 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,360 what I understand, it took a great deal 2175 01:31:21,360 --> 01:31:25,280 of diplomacy with HCD because HCD 2176 01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,000 considers this a prime site because of 2177 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:30,320 its access to services and 2178 01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,280 transportation to get them to accept 2179 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,719 only 16 sites on what they consider to 2180 01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:40,880 be an ideal site. And then another 2181 01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:44,719 requirement of HCD is that low income or 2182 01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:46,400 moderate income or whatever their 2183 01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:50,880 requirements that those those sites not 2184 01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,840 that those units not be confined to one 2185 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:55,920 site that they should be spread 2186 01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,000 throughout town which was another reason 2187 01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,760 why it was important to have some at 2188 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:01,440 town hall. 2189 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:03,760 >> Correct. It's a requirement um under 2190 01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:06,320 housing element law and compliance with 2191 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,639 affirmatively furthering fair housing, 2192 01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:11,520 which is AFH, that you cannot have all 2193 01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:13,760 of the lowinccome units concentrated at 2194 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:15,120 one site because that's a form of 2195 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:17,760 segregation. And a big part of our 2196 01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:21,440 housing element that was approved 2197 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:24,239 and our residents literally begged for 2198 01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:27,760 this was 400 ADUs. And that took a great 2199 01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:31,760 deal of diplomacy to get HCD to accept. 2200 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,560 So if we put this forward to HCD, that 2201 01:32:34,560 --> 01:32:36,880 would mean reopening our negotiations. 2202 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,440 Is that right? 2203 01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:41,840 >> If this if the council directs staff to 2204 01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,840 bring this back, we would need to gather 2205 01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:45,679 more information and could present that 2206 01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,440 at the time about the process and the 2207 01:32:47,440 --> 01:32:48,960 requirements and the risks. 2208 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,480 >> Yes. 2209 01:32:50,480 --> 01:32:55,600 There's a chance that our current deal could be 2210 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,600 overthrown. that information will be 2211 01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,199 forthcoming. Um that is not my 2212 01:32:59,199 --> 01:33:00,880 understanding. So if you could do more 2213 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,840 research on that and I I am going to 2214 01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:05,600 proceed that will recommend that we 2215 01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:06,800 bring this back. As you can see there's 2216 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,719 still many more questions to be answered 2217 01:33:08,719 --> 01:33:10,320 and since we don't have the answer we 2218 01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:14,639 cannot speculate or um yes um Vice Mayor 2219 01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:18,880 Rex there. Um I I do uh think that with 2220 01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,040 all the considerations we should um 2221 01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,360 agendaize this to further discuss and 2222 01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,159 then I have a list of uh questions if 2223 01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:29,199 possible I'd like answered but when we 2224 01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:32,239 have that discussion um but I did note 2225 01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:37,120 that um if we applied for if you know 2226 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,679 agenda and discussed but if if we 2227 01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:47,120 decided to apply for an amendment that doesn't work against us. um we're allowed to ask for an amendment 2228 01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:49,360 and they are allowed to say no, but it 2229 01:33:49,360 --> 01:33:51,440 doesn't mean that our housing element is 2230 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:53,840 nullified and we get the builder element 2231 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,360 and because I was worried about that too 2232 01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:56,719 and that was 2233 01:33:56,719 --> 01:33:58,960 >> yes that that was somewhere in the in 2234 01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,800 the staff report. 2235 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:01,280 >> Yes. 2236 01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:02,719 >> Doesn't look like we're trying to 2237 01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:03,920 >> Yeah, that was somewhere in the staff 2238 01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:07,440 report. But I do have a list of um 2239 01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:11,600 questions um if if we agree um to 2240 01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,080 agendaize this. Um they are um 2241 01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:21,040 could it be possible to do eight 2242 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,520 units at town hall and eight units at 2243 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:28,800 Tobin Clark? Um could uh the last that 2244 01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:31,920 we heard the Tobin Clark concept had 2245 01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,159 fewer than the 100 units. I think it was 2246 01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:36,400 98, could have been 96, I'm not sure. 2247 01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,120 But um so how firm was that estimate 2248 01:34:39,120 --> 01:34:42,159 that went under 100 and then what is the 2249 01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:46,080 likelihood that it could go up to 116? 2250 01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:49,440 Uh you know, I guess consulting with the 2251 01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,280 um Tobin Clark consultants on that. Um 2252 01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,080 is there other town owned land that 2253 01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:58,639 could be a possibility for some units? 2254 01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:01,360 Maybe not 16, but they could be 2255 01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:03,840 sprinkled the couple here, couple at 2256 01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:07,280 Clark, couple on other town land. Um, 2257 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,880 and then maybe more details about um the 2258 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:14,400 affirmatively furthering fair housing. 2259 01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:17,600 Uh, that units can't all be concentrated 2260 01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,239 in one place and also the information 2261 01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:24,000 on, you know, near transportation and 2262 01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,920 different topographies, maybe the flat 2263 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,520 topography. All of that would be 2264 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:32,400 helpful. Um and then um 2265 01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,639 the last question that I have is really 2266 01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:38,639 for staff. Um the of the considerations 2267 01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:42,960 that we had today um is that enough 2268 01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:46,480 space for the staff 2269 01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:50,159 um programmatic plans, 2270 01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,040 you know, space needs and um that's it. 2271 01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:55,040 Thank you. Thank you, Vice Mayor 2272 01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,840 Rexdale, Council Member Adams. 2273 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:00,400 >> Thank you, U Mayor Cole. And I want to 2274 01:36:00,400 --> 01:36:02,880 thank the neighbors uh who have 2275 01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,280 presented this petition, not only for 2276 01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:09,199 your activism and your interest, but for 2277 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:11,520 your endorsement of what we're trying to 2278 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:15,920 do at Tobin Clark. And I just have to 2279 01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:20,080 tell you it has been detail after detail 2280 01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:24,639 in order to make that number 100 and and 2281 01:36:24,639 --> 01:36:27,040 we're still working on the physibility 2282 01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:32,239 of that. So adding 16% 2283 01:36:32,239 --> 01:36:37,760 is no small matter. And so in order to 2284 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,560 endorse that concept, we would need to 2285 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:44,080 spend some money on feasibility and the 2286 01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:48,159 economic impact of that because uh it's 2287 01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:51,119 a very difficult site. it it looks like 2288 01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:54,800 we've come up with a solution and we're 2289 01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,600 thrilled but we're also 2290 01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:00,960 uh a little hesitant because we want to 2291 01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,560 make sure that what we've proposed is 2292 01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,119 possible and that's an iterative process 2293 01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:11,119 we're still in. So again, I would 2294 01:37:11,119 --> 01:37:13,679 suggest that what we look at isn't the 2295 01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:16,159 feasibility at this point for an 2296 01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,719 agendaized item, but just what the 2297 01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:20,639 process is, which could be done, I 2298 01:37:20,639 --> 01:37:22,880 think, pretty quickly, and what the 2299 01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,199 potential implications are. I think 2300 01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:29,280 council member Krill uh spoke very 2301 01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:33,679 wisely about the ambitions for this site 2302 01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:36,560 that we have reduced to something that 2303 01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:41,360 is quite manageable. Uh, and I think we 2304 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,560 ought to at least consider that that may 2305 01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:47,679 be our best way of approaching this is 2306 01:37:47,679 --> 01:37:50,480 having a plan, 2307 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:53,199 having fulfilled some of the obligation 2308 01:37:53,199 --> 01:37:55,920 or all of the obligation and then 2309 01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,520 iteratively 2310 01:37:57,520 --> 01:38:00,480 improving or changing the rest of the 2311 01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,920 site according to a plan that in my view 2312 01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:07,040 still needs a little bit of uh work. So 2313 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,679 again, I want to thank you, but it's the 2314 01:38:09,679 --> 01:38:12,000 cart before the horse if we start asking 2315 01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:14,480 the state to do something that we don't 2316 01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:16,560 know yet we can do, 2317 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:19,360 >> right? Um and I think the directives um 2318 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:20,800 I'm sorry, Council Chong, do you have 2319 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,239 any additional comments to what's been 2320 01:38:22,239 --> 01:38:25,119 said before I um finalize or summarize 2321 01:38:25,119 --> 01:38:26,239 the directives? 2322 01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,239 >> No, I think that my colleagues spoke so 2323 01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:28,560 well. 2324 01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,560 >> Yeah. So um I I think it's all been 2325 01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:32,880 said. Um the only thing I would add is 2326 01:38:32,880 --> 01:38:36,960 um I will ask the staff to two things. 2327 01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,719 Address some of the questions that's 2328 01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:41,360 been brought up but at the same time 2329 01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:44,320 explore um the option that's in this 2330 01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,040 petition to see the feasibility of that. 2331 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:49,360 But perhaps most significantly in terms 2332 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:51,520 of getting specific answers to questions 2333 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:54,719 is to see if we can get legal counsel. 2334 01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:57,920 Um I always go to Barbara CS. She's very 2335 01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,760 familiar with our town. She helped us 2336 01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:02,320 through our housing element. If she is 2337 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,119 available to guide us through this 2338 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,159 question over the next um several weeks 2339 01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:10,639 or months, but try to get it on the the 2340 01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:13,679 next discuss the next agenda item on 2341 01:39:13,679 --> 01:39:15,760 this would could be more discussions and 2342 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,760 more answers. and if Barbara Cotz is 2343 01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,760 available to be here with us either by 2344 01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,480 Zoom or in person to answer some of the 2345 01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:24,480 questions that are being um brought up 2346 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:28,560 in terms of any any possibility of 2347 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,000 moving forward um regarding the petition 2348 01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,320 or not moving forward and trying to see 2349 01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:37,199 how we can remedy the issue with what we 2350 01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:39,280 have at hand. But I do want some 2351 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,760 informed feedback. She's very 2352 01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,000 experienced in this. I have spoken to 2353 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:46,080 her in a couple of conferences and she 2354 01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:47,840 shared information with me about other 2355 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,760 municipalities she's helped. So 2356 01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,679 hopefully we can get that legal 2357 01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:53,600 counseling when we discuss this again. 2358 01:39:53,600 --> 01:39:55,360 And I would strongly urge the staff that 2359 01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,600 we try to get this back on the calendar 2360 01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:01,280 um either next month or the month after. 2361 01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:03,440 >> I'm sorry. Yes. Something else. 2362 01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:06,239 >> I mean the the tournament people are 2363 01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:08,080 also very organized just like the 2364 01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:10,239 fairway circle people. I mean, as you 2365 01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,800 know, I was mayor during the the HCD 2366 01:40:12,800 --> 01:40:14,400 process where we came up with our 2367 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,960 housing element, and the city manager 2368 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,199 and I spent a lot of time talking to the 2369 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:22,159 people down in tournament to get them to 2370 01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:23,840 get their heads around the hundred 2371 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,119 units. And that was the top week ago. 2372 01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:29,760 They are not going to take kindly to 2373 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,080 another group of residents trying to 2374 01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,679 shift 16 more units on to them. If we 2375 01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:38,000 agendaize this, we're we're 2376 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,840 >> well, we will invite we'll invite all 2377 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,320 the residents with the stick. 2378 01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:44,639 >> It's um it's been a long process and 2379 01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:46,719 Jeeoff, you were a big part of it. Yeah. 2380 01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:48,400 >> And you know, I sat in your living room. 2381 01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:50,400 We spent a lot of time listening to you, 2382 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:53,360 which is why we got down to 16 units. 2383 01:40:53,360 --> 01:40:57,600 >> Yeah. Um um noted I I please reach out 2384 01:40:57,600 --> 01:40:59,600 to the tournament residents as well when 2385 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,320 this conversation moves forward. It is 2386 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:04,880 important to have all the residents in 2387 01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:07,440 the room. Our housing element addresses 2388 01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:09,199 every resident regardless of where you 2389 01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:11,440 live, whether you live at fairway circle 2390 01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:14,000 or tournament, at the end of the day, we 2391 01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:15,760 need to comply with the housing elements 2392 01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:17,199 because it would affect the entire 2393 01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:19,119 community. So, I completely agree with 2394 01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,000 you. I think getting their um weigh in 2395 01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:24,320 and comments and feedback and also 2396 01:41:24,320 --> 01:41:25,840 understanding where we are and what it 2397 01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:28,080 could take or perhaps we don't move 2398 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:29,840 forward. We don't know yet if we need to 2399 01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:31,440 if we could do this. It's a question 2400 01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:34,000 that's been posed to the council and it 2401 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:37,760 needs to be explored with factbased um 2402 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,000 information with with evidence-based 2403 01:41:40,000 --> 01:41:42,800 discussion not just about how we feel 2404 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,560 about this but what does the evidence 2405 01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:47,520 show in terms of how we move forward. So 2406 01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,239 that's um I think summarizes the 2407 01:41:50,239 --> 01:41:52,080 majority of the sentiments from the day 2408 01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:52,800 at this point. 2409 01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:54,560 >> Yeah. through through the mayor. I I 2410 01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:56,480 think that we we need to be uh 2411 01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:59,280 thoughtful in terms of how we agendaize 2412 01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:03,760 this. Uh and so that is not a um one way 2413 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:06,080 or the other uh in terms of the 2414 01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,480 decisions making and I do want to echo 2415 01:42:08,480 --> 01:42:10,320 our former mayor and current council 2416 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:13,280 member um growings. Um we all been 2417 01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,760 there. We know we sat in this chambers 2418 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:18,560 we have long hours on discussions. 2419 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,119 There's a lot of concerns about the 2420 01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:22,880 different interests in the locations and 2421 01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:25,600 how why is amendable to do go through 2422 01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,800 the ADU and even with that it is with 2423 01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,920 some kind of concerns about the 2424 01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:34,480 transportations and and pedestrians 2425 01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:36,880 walkway and all that. So all that in 2426 01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:38,719 consideration I I think that we need to 2427 01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:41,760 take this gingerly to make sure that we 2428 01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,080 do have the opportunity to have that 2429 01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:48,719 discussions without seemingly um 2430 01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:51,280 feeling like that there is already a 2431 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,920 direction that's going but rather that 2432 01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,520 um we have concerns and we have 2433 01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,080 petitions and then we want to see if we 2434 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:02,800 have that discussions um but not kind of 2435 01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:05,840 predicated by saying that who is to say 2436 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,840 the Tobin Clark groups are not going to 2437 01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:08,560 have 2438 01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,199 >> petitions so forth so without getting 2439 01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:13,840 into the this and that we we want to 2440 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,159 have a fair discussions to the extent 2441 01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:18,480 that we we can rely on the staff for 2442 01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:21,760 providing some um 2443 01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,199 facts and also the HCD in terms of their 2444 01:43:25,199 --> 01:43:28,159 rulings and so forth so that we can have 2445 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:30,880 a a a better foundation to have that 2446 01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:31,840 discussions. 2447 01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:33,920 >> Okay. Thank you. I think I will adjourn 2448 01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:36,400 to um the study session is now adjourned 2449 01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:37,920 and we'll proceed to close sessions. 2450 01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:41,350 Thank you. 2451 01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:47,270 » Thank you. 2452 01:43:47,280 --> 01:44:01,189 We still need 2453 01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:04,800 um we um we will be proceeding to close 2454 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,719 session. We'll first um do a roll call, 2455 01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:07,760 please. City clerk. 2456 01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:08,960 >> Thank you. Adams, 2457 01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:09,520 >> present. 2458 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,480 >> Schwang. 2459 01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:11,119 >> Kwick, 2460 01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:12,239 >> present. Ragdale, 2461 01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:13,360 >> present. Cole, 2462 01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:16,320 >> present. Thank you. will now adjurnn to 2463 01:44:16,320 --> 01:44:27,350 close session. 2464 01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,600 Good evening everyone and welcome to the 2465 01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,760 Hillsboro City Council with meeting 2466 01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:33,440 which is now called to order. The time 2467 01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:37,199 is 6 p.m. on August 10th, 2026. Um, city 2468 01:44:37,199 --> 01:44:39,520 clerk, may we please have the roll call. 2469 01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:41,040 >> Thank you. Adams, 2470 01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:42,320 >> present. Strong 2471 01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:43,600 >> present. Crowig 2472 01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:46,159 >> present. Ragdale present. Cole 2473 01:44:46,159 --> 01:44:46,960 >> present. 2474 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:47,360 >> Thank you. 2475 01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:49,280 >> Um please join me in pledging allegiance 2476 01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,480 to our flag. 2477 01:44:52,480 --> 01:45:11,990 >> I pledge algiance. 2478 01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:13,920 Um, do we have any report from close 2479 01:45:13,920 --> 01:45:16,239 session? City attorney. 2480 01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:17,520 >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Just wanted to 2481 01:45:17,520 --> 01:45:18,880 announce for the public that the council 2482 01:45:18,880 --> 01:45:20,400 did convene in close session to consider 2483 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,239 one item as listed on the agenda and 2484 01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:23,840 there was no reportable action at the 2485 01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:25,360 conclusion of that close session. Thank 2486 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:26,400 you. 2487 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,480 >> Thank you. And I want to welcome 2488 01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,000 everyone in the chambers and those 2489 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:34,480 listening at home on um Zoom. Um we have 2490 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:36,400 a very full agenda this evening, but 2491 01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,679 we're first um very happy to start with 2492 01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:42,159 a presentation from Concourse Delegance. 2493 01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:46,800 Um this is such a historic and important 2494 01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:49,679 entity in town. Um I remember when my 2495 01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:51,520 kids were in school. I used to 2496 01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:52,880 participate when it used to be on the 2497 01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,040 school grounds. It's now held at the 2498 01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:56,800 golf course and continues to be an 2499 01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,960 amazing family experience and just 2500 01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,040 excitement about cars. It's it's one of 2501 01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:02,719 the few events that comes up where 2502 01:46:02,719 --> 01:46:04,880 everyone in at my house, my husband and 2503 01:46:04,880 --> 01:46:08,239 my son and even my in-laws love to 2504 01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:12,000 attend. Um we do have uh Rob Fischer 2505 01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,000 here, but let me just outline that um 2506 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,920 Concourse Delegance uh Hillsboro 2507 01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:19,119 Concourse Delegance specifically um fund 2508 01:46:19,119 --> 01:46:21,600 and supports local entities in town, 2509 01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:23,520 specifically Hillsboro School 2510 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,159 Foundation, the Godsmen, which is really 2511 01:46:26,159 --> 01:46:29,280 a nonprofit for um at risk and 2512 01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,679 disadvantaged youth as well as Ability 2513 01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:34,080 Path. And these are entities that 2514 01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:36,239 benefit the immediate community. And Mr. 2515 01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:37,920 Fischer, thank you for joining us and 2516 01:46:37,920 --> 01:46:39,679 presenting, giving us an updates. Thank 2517 01:46:39,679 --> 01:46:45,109 you. 2518 01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:47,360 » Thank you, Madam Mayor, 2519 01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:51,199 and uh the esteemed council members. Uh 2520 01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:53,440 I get the privilege of representing the 2521 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:56,719 conc um every year. And it's kind of 2522 01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,639 hard to believe that I stood up here 17 2523 01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:02,159 years ago uh when we decided to take the 2524 01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:03,679 conc 2525 01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:06,239 the school grounds up at Crocker and and 2526 01:47:06,239 --> 01:47:08,159 uh move it up to Crystal Springs Golf 2527 01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:10,000 Course and it's been uh really going 2528 01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:12,239 from strength to strength ever since. 2529 01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:14,719 Um, and the reason that is the case is 2530 01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:16,880 because of the tremendous community 2531 01:47:16,880 --> 01:47:18,719 support we've gotten from the town of 2532 01:47:18,719 --> 01:47:21,360 Hillsbor uh in cooperation and 2533 01:47:21,360 --> 01:47:22,960 collaboration with the Hillsboro Police 2534 01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,600 Department. Uh, and I stand up here very 2535 01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:28,400 grateful for the support of the town and 2536 01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:30,639 the police department uh because without 2537 01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:32,880 your support, we could not put the event 2538 01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,679 on every year. Um, this year represented 2539 01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:39,119 our 70th anniversary. Uh and again for 2540 01:47:39,119 --> 01:47:40,960 those who aren't aren't aware uh the 2541 01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,040 Hillsboro Concore, our tiny little town 2542 01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:44,960 of Hillsbor in the Concord that started 2543 01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,719 in 1956 2544 01:47:46,719 --> 01:47:48,560 is the longest continually running 2545 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:51,199 Concore in the world and we're very 2546 01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:54,000 proud of that and it it is all due to 2547 01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,000 the amazing community support that we 2548 01:47:56,000 --> 01:47:58,880 have. Um, this year's show was uh no 2549 01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:02,400 exception to uh the successes we've had 2550 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:06,320 in the past and uh I'm delighted to say 2551 01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:09,440 that yet again we were profitable uh 2552 01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:11,920 which is key uh because without our 2553 01:48:11,920 --> 01:48:14,000 profits of course we would not be able 2554 01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:15,920 to to support the charities that we 2555 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:19,679 provide funds to every year. Um and we 2556 01:48:19,679 --> 01:48:21,840 each year we look to try to expand our 2557 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:23,600 sponsorship and we picked up a couple of 2558 01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:25,520 new sponsors this year. We're still 2559 01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:27,440 counting the numbers uh but it looks 2560 01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:29,280 like we probably grew anywhere between 2561 01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:31,920 three and 5% over last year and I can't 2562 01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,600 tell you how hard it is to actually move 2563 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:36,080 the needle uh in this business uh 2564 01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:38,400 because we have about 180 to 200 cars 2565 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:40,719 that are on the field uh and then we 2566 01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:43,360 have somewhere between a dozen and uh 2567 01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:47,280 dozen and 14 15 sponsors uh that provide 2568 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:50,000 the income and uh the revenue from from 2569 01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:52,880 the event each year. We try very hard to 2570 01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:55,199 compete for all those what you'd call 2571 01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:57,600 variable dollars that people have to 2572 01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,440 give to something like an event like 2573 01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:01,199 ours. And we had perfect weather this 2574 01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:04,560 year. Uh and it was uh 100 years to the 2575 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,040 day of the formation of the of 2576 01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:09,360 MercedesBenz which was formed on June 2577 01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:11,760 28th, 1926. 2578 01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:14,639 And we celebrated that 100th anniversary 2579 01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:16,400 along with our 70th anniversary this 2580 01:49:16,400 --> 01:49:19,440 year. Um, while we were there, um, and I 2581 01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:20,960 just brought a sample. I don't know if 2582 01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:22,000 you want to keep it for your records, 2583 01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,159 but this was our program. You can see 2584 01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:27,440 we, um, obviously celebrating the 70th. 2585 01:49:27,440 --> 01:49:29,679 I also brought for you, Madame Mayor. 2586 01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:32,159 Uh, we created a a collective 2587 01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:34,560 collectible coin this year, which we 2588 01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,159 gave out to all of our entrance and 2589 01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:38,480 special VIPs. So, I'll leave that with 2590 01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:42,000 you today. Uh but I also would like to 2591 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,320 present to you uh and the council 2592 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,880 a placard in appreciation for the 2593 01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,400 sponsor for the support that we've 2594 01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:53,840 received from the town um for the 70 2595 01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,360 years of putting on the Hillsboro 2596 01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,239 Concore. Um, and this is especially done 2597 01:49:58,239 --> 01:50:01,040 if you if you attend our shows. Um, 2598 01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,960 you'll notice that in front of every car 2599 01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:04,480 that is placed on the field, there's a 2600 01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:06,639 special information placard that talks 2601 01:50:06,639 --> 01:50:08,880 all about the car, the year, make, 2602 01:50:08,880 --> 01:50:10,239 model, and special ownership 2603 01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:11,920 information. And it's what really makes 2604 01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,239 Hillsboro special. Um, because it really 2605 01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:16,719 looks like a a uh almost like a museum 2606 01:50:16,719 --> 01:50:19,280 setup. So, um I would like to present 2607 01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:22,159 this to you if I could on behalf of uh 2608 01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:23,840 the many volunteers that we have for the 2609 01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:25,360 Hillsboro Concore Foundation, the 2610 01:50:25,360 --> 01:51:13,350 operating committee. 2611 01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,199 So again I you know I stand up here 2612 01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:19,520 representing the the concore but we have 2613 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,679 an operating committee of roughly 25 2614 01:51:21,679 --> 01:51:23,440 people and then we have a volunteer core 2615 01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:25,760 of somewhere in it grows to about 70 80 2616 01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:28,719 people on the day. Uh and uh we could 2617 01:51:28,719 --> 01:51:30,080 not do it without the support of the 2618 01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,480 community and the 100% volunteer group 2619 01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:33,840 that we have that puts on the show. So 2620 01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:35,679 thank you all very much. Look forward to 2621 01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:38,400 seeing you next year. 2622 01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:40,960 Thank you. 2623 01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:43,760 so much. 2624 01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:46,159 >> Yes, please. Um, don't leave yet. 2625 01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:47,360 Council member Crowley would like to 2626 01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:48,000 make a comment. 2627 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,679 >> Well, and not just to Rob. Thank you, 2628 01:51:49,679 --> 01:51:51,599 Rob, for all your many, many hours in 2629 01:51:51,599 --> 01:51:54,159 the committee are amazing. But any any 2630 01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:56,239 Hillsboro resident who doesn't go to the 2631 01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:58,880 top of the hill on Concord Day, which is 2632 01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:00,960 the third Sunday in June now. Is that 2633 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:03,920 our third Sunday in June? People come 2634 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:06,719 from all over to come to this show. And 2635 01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:08,639 it's right at the top of our hill. It is 2636 01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:11,040 it's like Briadune. You go over the hill 2637 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,880 at the Crystal Springs Golf Course and 2638 01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:16,800 here's this whole incredible car magic 2639 01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:17,760 uh that happens. So, 2640 01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,840 >> and and and it is beautiful. It's great 2641 01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,400 for picnic, family picnics. Um the cars 2642 01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,639 are awesome. The guys will even love it 2643 01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:26,880 more than you. It's really, like I said, 2644 01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:28,480 it's definitely one of the experiences 2645 01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:31,360 my family truly truly enjoys. Um, thank 2646 01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,280 you so much for all you do, especially 2647 01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,520 for your support of these very important 2648 01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:37,280 um, entities in the community. Much 2649 01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:40,560 appreciated. Thanks. 2650 01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:43,760 Um, the next item on our agenda is 2651 01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:45,920 actually a town updates from our 2652 01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:49,440 assistant city manager, Mandy Brown. 2653 01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,040 >> Thank you, Mayor and Council members. 2654 01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:52,560 Let's keep this brief because I know we 2655 01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:55,040 have a very full agenda this evening. 2656 01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,440 Um, wanted to have a reminder from the 2657 01:52:57,440 --> 01:52:59,520 Hillsboro Police Department. a reminder 2658 01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:02,239 about traffic safety. Um especially with 2659 01:53:02,239 --> 01:53:03,760 the first day of school being Monday, 2660 01:53:03,760 --> 01:53:06,560 August 31st coming up and just in 2661 01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,320 general around town, lots of 2662 01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:10,960 construction going on, being mindful of 2663 01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,280 the speed and obeying posted traffic 2664 01:53:13,280 --> 01:53:16,159 signs. 2665 01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:18,560 Um ebike, I know uh we've been talking 2666 01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,599 about this recently. The uh website on 2667 01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:24,320 the on ebikes has been updated. There 2668 01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:27,040 was a KQED forum with Dr. MA. And so 2669 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,119 that recording has been posted and added 2670 01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:31,679 to the resources. And also save the date 2671 01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:33,840 if you are available. Tomorrow the board 2672 01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:35,599 of supervisors will be discussing an 2673 01:53:35,599 --> 01:53:37,440 ordinance related to ebikes and that 2674 01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:41,589 begins at 9:30 a.m. 2675 01:53:41,599 --> 01:53:45,040 Another message from HPD. Uh there is a 2676 01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:48,320 wonderful website resource that is uh 2677 01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,639 been posted about scam awareness. Um 2678 01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:52,480 some really great flyers that will be 2679 01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:54,159 included in some upcoming town 2680 01:53:54,159 --> 01:53:57,440 communications. Uh, and the website, I 2681 01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:58,880 wish I could fit the whole thing on the 2682 01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,239 slide, but there's just a lot of 2683 01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:02,719 clickable any question you could have 2684 01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:04,880 about scam. There's an answer on there. 2685 01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:07,280 Um, and so highly encourage everyone to 2686 01:54:07,280 --> 01:54:09,280 check it out, but also stay tuned in 2687 01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:10,800 your mail uh because you'll be getting 2688 01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:14,239 some resources there as well. 2689 01:54:14,239 --> 01:54:15,599 We've been getting also a lot of calls 2690 01:54:15,599 --> 01:54:18,560 about solicitors in town. Um, so just a 2691 01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:21,280 reminder on the process. The town 2692 01:54:21,280 --> 01:54:24,159 doesn't prohibit soliciting, but you do 2693 01:54:24,159 --> 01:54:26,239 have to have a license. And so, the 2694 01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:28,639 Hillsboro Police Department manages 2695 01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:31,679 those who have licenses. So, if somebody 2696 01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:33,520 comes soliciting, you can always call 2697 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:36,639 HPD and verify that they are a permitted 2698 01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:39,920 solicitor in town. Um, and the town 2699 01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:42,080 cannot legally restrict permitting 2700 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:44,239 unless you have a no soliciting sign. 2701 01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:46,080 So, just a reminder about our process. 2702 01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:47,360 And again, we've been getting so many 2703 01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:48,960 calls about this. it will be coming out 2704 01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,760 in some upcoming um communications as 2705 01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:54,480 well. 2706 01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:55,760 We have launched the uh 2707 01:54:55,760 --> 01:54:57,760 telecommunications survey. So, it's 2708 01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:00,080 available on our website as well as our 2709 01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:03,840 um uh e-news our our weekly bulletin. Uh 2710 01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:06,960 it is a long survey and we thank you in 2711 01:55:06,960 --> 01:55:09,119 advance everybody that takes it. It's we 2712 01:55:09,119 --> 01:55:10,800 did really try and whittle it down if 2713 01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,960 you can believe it. It was longer. Um, 2714 01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:15,280 but it is really critical information to 2715 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:17,679 help us inform the priorities of the 2716 01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:19,360 different areas of telecommunications 2717 01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,119 improvement and you'll also be getting a 2718 01:55:21,119 --> 01:55:23,440 postcard um with the survey information. 2719 01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:26,080 So, we it's open until September 25th. 2720 01:55:26,080 --> 01:55:27,599 So, we're really hoping to get a lot of 2721 01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:29,840 participation. So, um if you don't have 2722 01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:31,679 time, you can always come back to it or 2723 01:55:31,679 --> 01:55:33,199 do it again, but we really encourage 2724 01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:36,800 everyone to take the survey. 2725 01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:38,800 Another reminder about the left turns. 2726 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,679 Um, still getting a lot of we town hall 2727 01:55:41,679 --> 01:55:43,280 we can hear the sirens and everything. 2728 01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:45,119 So, still getting a people people 2729 01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:46,560 getting used to that no left turn. So, 2730 01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:50,000 just wanted to plug it again. 2731 01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,040 Um, the nomination period for the 2732 01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:54,800 November city council election has been 2733 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,960 extended. Um, so because an incumbent 2734 01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,880 did not file nomination papers, the 2735 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,960 nomination period is extended uh until 2736 01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,119 five o'clock on Wednesday, o August 2737 01:56:03,119 --> 01:56:06,310 12th. 2738 01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:08,880 Upcoming agenda items for September um 2739 01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:10,800 childhood cancer awareness month. We 2740 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,560 also have some items related to Tobin 2741 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:14,080 Clark and the council handbook 2742 01:56:14,080 --> 01:56:16,000 discussion related to selection 2743 01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,840 rotation. And we're also had talked 2744 01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,080 about that surplus land act presentation 2745 01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:22,639 and discussion um from a a couple months 2746 01:56:22,639 --> 01:56:24,480 ago. So we'll be looking to bring that 2747 01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:27,280 back in September 2748 01:56:27,280 --> 01:56:29,360 and our regular emergency preparedness 2749 01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:32,400 resources slide. Thank you. 2750 01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:35,440 >> Thank you Mandy Brown. appreciate that. 2751 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:38,639 Um, we will ask for public comment on 2752 01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:41,760 items that are not on the agenda. Do we 2753 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:45,599 have any um public either on Zoom or in 2754 01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:47,280 the chambers who would like to make a 2755 01:56:47,280 --> 01:56:49,040 comment on items that are not on the 2756 01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:49,840 agenda? 2757 01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:56,550 >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Yes, Mary Kalo. 2758 01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:56,960 » Good evening. 2759 01:56:56,960 --> 01:56:57,840 >> Hello. 2760 01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:00,000 >> Hi. Good evening, mayor and council 2761 01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:02,800 members. I would like to invite the city 2762 01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:05,280 council and members of the community to 2763 01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,159 attend a free public forum when the 2764 01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:11,440 mission follows you home. The event will 2765 01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:14,480 be held on Thursday, September 10th from 2766 01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:19,040 9 until 12 noon at Central Peninsula 2767 01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:23,599 Church located at 105 Shell Boulevard in 2768 01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:26,960 Foster City. The forum will focus on the 2769 01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:29,599 mental health challenges that can affect 2770 01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:33,199 veterans and first responders while 2771 01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:37,040 highlighting the resources, support, and 2772 01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:40,239 conversations that help individuals 2773 01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:43,440 recover and thrive. Although the forum 2774 01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,280 centers on veterans and first 2775 01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:48,320 responders, it is intended for the 2776 01:57:48,320 --> 01:57:51,679 entire community, families, friends, 2777 01:57:51,679 --> 01:57:54,560 employers, co-workers, neighbors, and 2778 01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:58,159 anyone who cares about those who serve 2779 01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:01,679 us all have an important role to play. 2780 01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:03,599 Supporting those who dedicate their 2781 01:58:03,599 --> 01:58:06,639 lives to protecting and serving others 2782 01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:09,280 is a community responsibility. 2783 01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:11,840 and we hope this event will help 2784 01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:14,560 strengthen those connections. We would 2785 01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:16,960 be honored to have you join us and help 2786 01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:19,440 spread the word. Thank you again for 2787 01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:21,920 your support and willingness to help. 2788 01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:24,320 With everyone contributing to the 2789 01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:27,440 outreach effort, we can ensure that this 2790 01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:30,159 forum reaches the people who need it 2791 01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:33,599 most and makes a positive impact 2792 01:58:33,599 --> 01:58:36,400 throughout our community. Registration 2793 01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:39,520 is not required but will be available on 2794 01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:42,480 Eventbrite under when the mission 2795 01:58:42,480 --> 01:58:45,280 follows you home and that will be 2796 01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,599 updated with panelists and more 2797 01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:49,679 information as we get closer to the 2798 01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:52,560 event. Thank you so much and you should 2799 01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:55,760 have the flyer. Um and thank you for 2800 01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:56,800 sharing that. 2801 01:58:56,800 --> 01:58:59,760 >> Yeah, thank you. Does anyone have any 2802 01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:02,239 questions for clarification or are we 2803 01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:03,599 pretty good with the flyer? Thanks for 2804 01:59:03,599 --> 01:59:05,920 the flyer. is informative. Appreciate 2805 01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:09,520 that. Any other public comment? 2806 01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:12,400 >> Thank you. Um the next is a phone caller 2807 01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:16,790 on Zoom. 2808 01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,560 » Do we have the name? 2809 01:59:18,560 --> 01:59:21,199 >> Uh no, we don't. 2810 01:59:21,199 --> 01:59:22,080 color. 2811 01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:26,800 >> Yeah, my name is My name is Gord 2812 01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:30,560 and I just want to say I am glad that SB 2813 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:34,080 saving saving pass because now I can say 2814 01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:37,599 all this. I disagree with Hillsboro 2815 01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:40,800 being a sanctuary city and I think that 2816 01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,199 mayor needs to be deported back 2817 01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:46,400 to where she came from. Yeah, God bless 2818 01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:49,440 America and God bless Donald Trump and 2819 01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:52,400 God bless Israel and Tick Stout is our 2820 01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:58,629 real governor of California. 2821 01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:03,350 » Okay, any additional public comments, 2822 02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:09,270 Thomas Layman, 2823 02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:10,880 » can you hear me? 2824 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,440 >> Yes. Yes, my name is Thomas Layman and 2825 02:00:13,440 --> 02:00:15,599 thank you uh council members for 2826 02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:18,239 entertaining my uh comments. Uh the 2827 02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:20,320 reason I'm commenting it has to do with 2828 02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,159 what uh Mandy, I forget your last name, 2829 02:00:24,159 --> 02:00:25,760 I'm sorry, assistant town manager 2830 02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,840 mentioned in her overview 2831 02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:31,040 >> regarding the um permits for 2832 02:00:31,040 --> 02:00:32,880 solicitation. 2833 02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:35,280 I want to I'm assume all of you are 2834 02:00:35,280 --> 02:00:41,760 aware of a large number of recently uh 2835 02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:44,320 people have been broken into. Houses 2836 02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:46,000 have been broken into. In fact, my next 2837 02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:49,280 door neighbor a week ago Monday. Um the 2838 02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:51,040 police were very kind to follow up and 2839 02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:53,040 they took some of our Ring camera to try 2840 02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:55,679 to investigate who might have been 2841 02:00:55,679 --> 02:00:58,159 involved in that. And we're not the only 2842 02:00:58,159 --> 02:01:00,719 one in this area as well as uh other 2843 02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:04,320 areas that I know occurred 2844 02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:07,280 on Friday evening at 8:15 and I have 2845 02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,679 pictures of it. A gentleman came to our 2846 02:01:09,679 --> 02:01:12,960 door and rang the doorbell soliciting um 2847 02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,199 pest services. 2848 02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:17,199 I said that he couldn't do it without a 2849 02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:20,320 permit and he said he had one, but I 2850 02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:22,800 said, "Well, it doesn't matter. I don't 2851 02:01:22,800 --> 02:01:24,480 really need them." And I asked him to go 2852 02:01:24,480 --> 02:01:27,440 away. whereupon I called the Hillsboro 2853 02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:30,000 Police Department to report this. And 2854 02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,520 unlike Ms. uh I'm sorry, Mandy's 2855 02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,199 comment, 2856 02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:37,679 the police officer that took my message 2857 02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:40,480 said that they have to have a permit, 2858 02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:44,080 but permits are issued by this city of 2859 02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:46,320 Hillsboro and couldn't do anything about 2860 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:49,760 it. She suggested that I call the city. 2861 02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:51,840 So, that was Friday night. Today, I 2862 02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:54,080 called the city. They took me back to 2863 02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:55,599 the police department and a nice 2864 02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:58,159 gentleman, Lieutenant Colbrurner, was 2865 02:01:58,159 --> 02:02:00,320 kind enough to call me back. He 2866 02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,280 indicated that there are no restrictions 2867 02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:06,719 on or at least the way he presented it, 2868 02:02:06,719 --> 02:02:09,119 there were not any restrictions on an 2869 02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:10,880 individual who wanted to do a 2870 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:12,560 solicitation. 2871 02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:14,239 And he said that it was up to the city 2872 02:02:14,239 --> 02:02:18,560 council to make such restrictions. 2873 02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:21,920 At a minimum, I would expect since 2874 02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:24,560 particularly if I did a pest, they would 2875 02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:27,520 be looking at every part of my house to 2876 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:30,080 potentially look and could potentially 2877 02:02:30,080 --> 02:02:33,040 figure out how to get in and to also see 2878 02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:35,920 what kind of security features I have. 2879 02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,560 It seems to me that in this environment, 2880 02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,400 some restrictions ought to be placed on 2881 02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:44,719 such uh I don't know, permits. I have no 2882 02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:46,880 idea what is requested in the permit, 2883 02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:48,800 but it seems to me that at least a time 2884 02:02:48,800 --> 02:02:50,480 frame, just like we do with our leaf 2885 02:02:50,480 --> 02:02:52,960 blowers, ought to be imposed upon such 2886 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:55,360 permitting. Thank you very much, and I 2887 02:02:55,360 --> 02:02:57,199 appreciate your time. 2888 02:02:57,199 --> 02:02:58,800 >> Um, thank you for sharing that with us. 2889 02:02:58,800 --> 02:03:00,480 We'll take it into consideration. Thank 2890 02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:04,159 you. Any additional comments from the 2891 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:05,040 public? 2892 02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,719 >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. I don't have any 2893 02:03:06,719 --> 02:03:08,480 additional speaker cards on this matter 2894 02:03:08,480 --> 02:03:10,320 and I don't have see any additional 2895 02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:12,639 raised hands. Thank you. 2896 02:03:12,639 --> 02:03:16,320 Okay, I will now close um public comment 2897 02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:19,599 and the next item is the announcement of 2898 02:03:19,599 --> 02:03:22,239 conflicts of interest from my colleagues 2899 02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:24,080 on the deis. Do any council members have 2900 02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:25,440 a conflict of interest they need to 2901 02:03:25,440 --> 02:03:27,520 disclose related to any item on the 2902 02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,280 agenda? 2903 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:32,320 Um I will start by noting that I will be 2904 02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:34,560 recused I will recuse myself from item 2905 02:03:34,560 --> 02:03:38,639 1515 on the consent calendar 2906 02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:39,920 >> and through the mayor. 2907 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:43,830 >> Yes. Um council member 2908 02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,679 Yes. Yeah. But item 15 is the public 2909 02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:48,800 hearing, correct? Yeah. 2910 02:03:48,800 --> 02:03:51,920 >> Right. And I will recuse myself on um 2911 02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,159 item 17. 2912 02:03:54,159 --> 02:03:56,480 >> And just to clarify for the public uh 2913 02:03:56,480 --> 02:03:57,840 only because the Fair Political 2914 02:03:57,840 --> 02:03:59,840 Practices uh Commission does require 2915 02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:01,440 that we announce the reason for the 2916 02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,679 refusal and in both cases uh both 2917 02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:05,760 council members live within proximity of 2918 02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:09,040 the uh project locations. Thank you. 2919 02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:11,280 >> And Okay. and and council member Adams. 2920 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:11,520 Yes. 2921 02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:15,840 >> Yes. I would like to remove item 14. 2922 02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:19,440 >> Um ju just a second. So um the recusal 2923 02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:24,639 any other recusal from the from agenda? 2924 02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:26,239 >> None. Okay. We will then move on to the 2925 02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:28,639 consent calendar and council member 2926 02:04:28,639 --> 02:04:30,639 Adams would like to remove on the 2927 02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:36,950 consent calendar item 144. 2928 02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:38,480 » Yes. Council member Krillic. 2929 02:04:38,480 --> 02:04:42,880 >> Number one. Number one, please. 2930 02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:47,360 One 114. Any other items to be removed 2931 02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:55,510 from the consent calendar? 2932 02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,920 Okay, seeing none, I will have us 2933 02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:00,480 proceed. Um, are there any public 2934 02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:02,480 requests to remove any items from the 2935 02:05:02,480 --> 02:05:08,070 consent calendar? 2936 02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:08,960 Nothing on Zoom. 2937 02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:11,040 >> No, no, no request. Thank you. 2938 02:05:11,040 --> 02:05:14,960 >> Okay. Um in which case we will um May I 2939 02:05:14,960 --> 02:05:17,040 have a motion to um approve consent 2940 02:05:17,040 --> 02:05:21,040 calendar items 2 3 4 5 6 7 2941 02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:24,639 8 9 10 11 12 13. 2942 02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:26,000 >> So move. 2943 02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:27,840 >> Second. 2944 02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:33,280 >> Okay. Um city clerk, may I have a roll call roll vote? 2945 02:05:33,280 --> 02:05:36,239 >> Thank you, Adams. Yes. Schwang. 2946 02:05:36,239 --> 02:05:36,639 >> Yes. 2947 02:05:36,639 --> 02:05:37,280 >> Curlic. 2948 02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:37,679 >> Yes. 2949 02:05:37,679 --> 02:05:38,560 >> Ragsdale. 2950 02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:38,960 >> Yes. 2951 02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:39,840 >> Cole. 2952 02:05:39,840 --> 02:05:40,719 >> Yes. 2953 02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:42,000 >> Thank you. 2954 02:05:42,000 --> 02:05:44,159 >> Proceeding to the consent calendar 2955 02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:44,800 items. 2956 02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:46,400 >> Okay. Just quickly because I know we 2957 02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:48,880 have a long agenda. So on items 19 and 2958 02:05:48,880 --> 02:05:52,239 20 on the June 8th um minutes. I just 2959 02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:53,599 noticed because I remembered this 2960 02:05:53,599 --> 02:05:55,840 discussion that residents had concerns 2961 02:05:55,840 --> 02:05:58,880 regarding a grading permit on item 19. 2962 02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:01,199 And in the minutes uh it says that there 2963 02:06:01,199 --> 02:06:03,119 was public comments expressing concerns. 2964 02:06:03,119 --> 02:06:04,560 And then the next thing in the minutes 2965 02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:07,119 it says that the council got a motion 2966 02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:09,360 and got accepted and approved and and so 2967 02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:10,800 I went back I even listened to it 2968 02:06:10,800 --> 02:06:12,719 because I remembered we had a discussion 2969 02:06:12,719 --> 02:06:14,320 with the director of public works and 2970 02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:16,480 the civil engineers addressing the 2971 02:06:16,480 --> 02:06:18,239 public's concern and then I saw the same 2972 02:06:18,239 --> 02:06:20,560 thing in item 20. So, I just thought 2973 02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:23,599 that when we have in the minutes public 2974 02:06:23,599 --> 02:06:25,840 comment expressing concerns and then the 2975 02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:27,679 next thing is the council voted to 2976 02:06:27,679 --> 02:06:30,159 approve that we should insert something 2977 02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:32,880 that says that staff or the council 2978 02:06:32,880 --> 02:06:34,960 address the public concerns because 2979 02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:36,639 otherwise it just looks like people are 2980 02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:38,719 talking and we're not listening to them 2981 02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:41,040 where we all know that we spend a lot of 2982 02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:44,639 time listening and responding. So um I 2983 02:06:44,639 --> 02:06:46,800 just maybe as a matter of format moving 2984 02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:48,880 forward but in this particular case I 2985 02:06:48,880 --> 02:06:50,560 think we should insert in items number 2986 02:06:50,560 --> 02:06:52,960 19 and 20 in the June 8th meeting that 2987 02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:56,400 residents concerns were addressed. 2988 02:06:56,400 --> 02:06:58,320 Um in other words reflecting the 2989 02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:00,880 discussion that occurred um on that 2990 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:04,079 date. Correct. Okay. And so perhaps a 2991 02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:08,239 summary of um what the thoughts were or 2992 02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:11,119 consensus from the deis to be reflected 2993 02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:13,679 in the minutes. 2994 02:07:13,679 --> 02:07:16,320 Is that um city attorney and city clerk? 2995 02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:18,639 Is that something that we can 2996 02:07:18,639 --> 02:07:21,280 >> Sure. So I I can I can relisten to that 2997 02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:23,040 section and you would like something 2998 02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:25,199 included that just indicates the the 2999 02:07:25,199 --> 02:07:27,199 staff comments or the council comments 3000 02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:29,760 related to the addressing the concerns? 3001 02:07:29,760 --> 02:07:31,360 >> Yes. 3002 02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:33,360 Basically, what was the consensus or 3003 02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:35,199 general thinking? 3004 02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:37,199 >> Try to summarize. We I I try to 3005 02:07:37,199 --> 02:07:39,679 summarize sometimes, but um perhaps just 3006 02:07:39,679 --> 02:07:40,960 um 3007 02:07:40,960 --> 02:07:42,560 >> reiterating back to us what your 3008 02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,400 understanding is as far as the direction 3009 02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:46,480 and then move forward with the votes. Um 3010 02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:48,400 okay, that would be perhaps more 3011 02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:49,040 accurate 3012 02:07:49,040 --> 02:07:50,639 >> for items 19 and 20. 3013 02:07:50,639 --> 02:07:54,159 >> Yes. Well, or or items um in this nature 3014 02:07:54,159 --> 02:07:56,400 where the public weighs in and give 3015 02:07:56,400 --> 02:08:00,320 comments, but to just state that we the 3016 02:08:00,320 --> 02:08:02,239 council discussed these comments and 3017 02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:05,360 responded and decided to proceed in this 3018 02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,760 fashion. Something along those lines. 3019 02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,520 >> I I I don't even mind if it just says 3020 02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:11,280 residents concerns were addressed by 3021 02:08:11,280 --> 02:08:14,079 staff to council's 3022 02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:16,639 >> approval or something. 3023 02:08:16,639 --> 02:08:18,560 >> Yeah, I think that'll that'd be an easy 3024 02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:20,159 ad to do in this specific case where 3025 02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:21,440 we're doing it. We do take action 3026 02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:23,199 minutes as part of our minutes thing 3027 02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:26,560 since we have the now the video and and 3028 02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:28,400 the and the audio of it as well. But I 3029 02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:29,760 understand your point here. So I think 3030 02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:31,440 in this particular instance we can just 3031 02:08:31,440 --> 02:08:33,199 add in the back and forth that shows it 3032 02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:35,840 was addressed. But just so we we're all 3033 02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:37,520 aware in the future and for the public 3034 02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:39,440 as well the the minutes that you see in 3035 02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:41,199 writing are action minutes that are also 3036 02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:43,280 accompanied by a video as well. But in 3037 02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:44,719 this particular circumstance I 3038 02:08:44,719 --> 02:08:45,840 understand. 3039 02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:47,760 >> Okay. Um Council Member Adams has 3040 02:08:47,760 --> 02:08:49,679 additional comments along those lines. 3041 02:08:49,679 --> 02:08:53,679 Um, yes. And and I agree. I think that's 3042 02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:55,440 laid out pretty clearly that it's 3043 02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:57,119 supposed to be the actions that are 3044 02:08:57,119 --> 02:09:01,760 taken. But, uh, on item 13, city council 3045 02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:05,119 items, it says I reported on the 3046 02:09:05,119 --> 02:09:07,199 Hillsboro Beautification Foundation, it 3047 02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:09,599 should just say reported about the 3048 02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:11,440 Hillsboro Beautification Foundation 3049 02:09:11,440 --> 02:09:13,199 donor. Thank you. Because I did not 3050 02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:16,310 attend. 3051 02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:17,199 » Okay. 3052 02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:21,199 >> Thank you. Those corrections are noted 3053 02:09:21,199 --> 02:09:23,599 on the minutes from the last city 3054 02:09:23,599 --> 02:09:28,390 council meeting. 3055 02:09:28,400 --> 02:09:31,119 Okay, that's item one. Is that all your 3056 02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:32,639 comment? Okay. 3057 02:09:32,639 --> 02:09:34,719 >> Um, next item that's removed from the 3058 02:09:34,719 --> 02:09:39,520 consent calendar is item 14, 3059 02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:41,280 adoption of an ordinance amending 3060 02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:43,520 section 17.32.030 3061 02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:46,639 030 of the Hillsboro Municipal Code to 3062 02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:48,159 reduce the minimum dwelling size 3063 02:09:48,159 --> 02:09:49,520 requirements and eliminate the 3064 02:09:49,520 --> 02:09:51,520 recordation requirements for limited 3065 02:09:51,520 --> 02:09:55,440 remaining floor area. Um, 3066 02:09:55,440 --> 02:09:57,760 Council Member Adams, I will have you 3067 02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:00,400 start with your comments. 3068 02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:04,480 >> Thank you, uh, Madame Mayor. I I feel 3069 02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:08,960 that this was brought up uh uh Liz 3070 02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:12,000 brought this up to us just one time 3071 02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:14,800 before and I feel that there are still 3072 02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:17,360 some questions. I think a thousand 3073 02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:22,239 square feet is a really a big jump down 3074 02:10:22,239 --> 02:10:25,280 from 2500 square feet. And I think we 3075 02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:27,599 need to analyze the implications of 3076 02:10:27,599 --> 02:10:31,280 this, not from people who are 3077 02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:33,119 well-meaning and plan to live in our 3078 02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:36,480 town, but from those who may look at 3079 02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:39,599 this as a way of 3080 02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:42,000 circumventing some of the character of 3081 02:10:42,000 --> 02:10:45,920 the town that we have worked so hard to 3082 02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:49,920 maintain. and I just don't feel that in 3083 02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,920 the staff report there is enough 3084 02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:54,480 information about the pros and cons of 3085 02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:57,199 doing this. So I would like to suggest 3086 02:10:57,199 --> 02:10:59,679 that rather than discuss it tonight uh 3087 02:10:59,679 --> 02:11:02,719 we table it until we have a little bit 3088 02:11:02,719 --> 02:11:05,520 more information. 3089 02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,760 >> Um thanks for those comments and I would 3090 02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:10,400 like to add to that. I completely agree 3091 02:11:10,400 --> 02:11:12,320 with you on this and I and I thank you 3092 02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:14,800 for bringing it to my attention as well. 3093 02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:17,840 Um I I do have specific questions. First 3094 02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:20,639 of all, as I read the staff report, and 3095 02:11:20,639 --> 02:11:22,000 granted you're right, this is supposed 3096 02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:23,679 to be the second reading. It happens to 3097 02:11:23,679 --> 02:11:26,079 be in consent calendar, and perhaps 3098 02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:27,760 that's a conversation we can have later 3099 02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:30,079 about consent calendar for reasonzoning 3100 02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:31,840 um ordinances that are going to be 3101 02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:34,480 modified um whether we should actually 3102 02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:36,719 have two explicit reading and not put it 3103 02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:38,400 in consent calendar because it's a very 3104 02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:41,360 important issue. Um, as I understand 3105 02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:43,360 what's as I read read what you 3106 02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:47,520 submitted, I'm thinking what who does 3107 02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:49,920 this benefit because the issue of a 3108 02:11:49,920 --> 02:11:55,119 th00and square foot primary dwelling 3109 02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:58,159 um does not is not necessary because we 3110 02:11:58,159 --> 02:12:01,040 have an ADU ordinance that allows 4,000 3111 02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:05,520 square foot building on the same parcel. 3112 02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:08,560 Correct. That's our own internal ADU 3113 02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:10,880 ordinance in addition to the 3114 02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:12,719 statemandated 3115 02:12:12,719 --> 02:12:16,320 800 square foot as well as 500 square 3116 02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:19,199 foot JADU. 3117 02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:22,239 So if you were, it seemed like an end 3118 02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:26,400 run around our zoning ordinance of 2500 3119 02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:30,239 square foot and I also worry if you have 3120 02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:33,040 half an acre, you are now beginning to 3121 02:12:33,040 --> 02:12:36,320 make an argument to have as many as four 3122 02:12:36,320 --> 02:12:37,840 primary 3123 02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:40,639 dwellings on that site. If you reduce 3124 02:12:40,639 --> 02:12:44,239 the size of the dwelling size to a 3125 02:12:44,239 --> 02:12:46,320 thousand, you could have as many as four 3126 02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:48,159 on half an acre. And of course, if you 3127 02:12:48,159 --> 02:12:51,440 have an acre, it's maybe eight primary 3128 02:12:51,440 --> 02:12:54,400 in addition to what state mandated. And 3129 02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:56,239 you will have these micro developments 3130 02:12:56,239 --> 02:13:01,280 and these micro homes on a parcel. And I'm just trying to understand the 3131 02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:03,199 logic of this. What does what is the 3132 02:13:03,199 --> 02:13:05,199 benefit from this change on the 3133 02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:08,159 ordinance? The driver for this ordinance 3134 02:13:08,159 --> 02:13:10,560 is because our certified housing element 3135 02:13:10,560 --> 02:13:14,639 included a promise that our town would 3136 02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:16,639 eliminate our minimum dwelling size 3137 02:13:16,639 --> 02:13:19,440 because HCD flagged our minimum dwelling 3138 02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:22,000 size of 2500 square feet as a constraint 3139 02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:24,800 and a barrier to development. Um so it 3140 02:13:24,800 --> 02:13:27,040 was a requirement of our housing element 3141 02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:29,280 program to eliminate that minimum. 3142 02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:31,520 >> Okay, let me clarify what we submitted 3143 02:13:31,520 --> 02:13:34,639 or what was approved in December of 3144 02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:38,639 2023. December 20th, 2023 by HCD. On 3145 02:13:38,639 --> 02:13:41,199 page 87 of our housing element, it 3146 02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:45,679 explicitly said that currently the 3147 02:13:45,679 --> 02:13:47,679 minimum required square footage of a 3148 02:13:47,679 --> 02:13:50,159 single family detached home is 2500 3149 02:13:50,159 --> 02:13:52,480 square foot. This is a constraint to the 3150 02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,800 development of a variety of housing 3151 02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:57,760 types. The discussion, I was a part of 3152 02:13:57,760 --> 02:13:59,760 that discussion a few years ago. The 3153 02:13:59,760 --> 02:14:02,400 discussion was centered around housing 3154 02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:05,840 types which is R1 which is what we 3155 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:07,840 currently have single family detached 3156 02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:11,679 homes versus R2 which is multifamily 3157 02:14:11,679 --> 02:14:14,079 housing. That was the intent of that 3158 02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:14,880 discussion. 3159 02:14:14,880 --> 02:14:17,280 >> In that context it was referring to a 3160 02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:20,000 variety of housing types in terms of 3161 02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,000 offering opportunities for houses that 3162 02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,320 were smaller than 2500 square feet. So, 3163 02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:26,320 you could have a home that's 2,000 3164 02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:28,480 square feet or a home, you know, it's 3165 02:14:28,480 --> 02:14:31,280 the the goal, I believe, um, in HCD 3166 02:14:31,280 --> 02:14:34,159 flagging this is to provide housing for 3167 02:14:34,159 --> 02:14:35,760 what they call the missing middle. Not 3168 02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:38,639 everybody can afford a home that's 2500 3169 02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:40,079 square feet or larger. And so, the 3170 02:14:40,079 --> 02:14:42,639 intent from the state is to push for 3171 02:14:42,639 --> 02:14:45,599 jurisdictions to allow houses that are 3172 02:14:45,599 --> 02:14:48,960 not only large. 3173 02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:51,199 The average size of a house in the 3174 02:14:51,199 --> 02:14:54,159 United States is about 2400 square foot. 3175 02:14:54,159 --> 02:14:56,320 So, we're not outside of the scale or 3176 02:14:56,320 --> 02:15:00,320 2500 square foot homes. My concern about 3177 02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:02,560 this kind of a change on our ordinance 3178 02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:05,760 is that not only do you circumvent our 3179 02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:09,440 current ordinance, but you will now have 3180 02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:11,679 homes that are built to rent. You could 3181 02:15:11,679 --> 02:15:14,159 have four homes on a parcel that are all 3182 02:15:14,159 --> 02:15:15,760 rentals. 3183 02:15:15,760 --> 02:15:17,840 as opposed to home ownership. You shift 3184 02:15:17,840 --> 02:15:22,719 the the incentive towards perhaps large 3185 02:15:22,719 --> 02:15:26,719 institution investors buying older homes 3186 02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:29,520 using half an acre parcel, having four 3187 02:15:29,520 --> 02:15:32,000 homes on those parcels that are 1,000 3188 02:15:32,000 --> 02:15:35,040 square foot. In addition to the fact 3189 02:15:35,040 --> 02:15:37,840 that the state allows you to have a,000 3190 02:15:37,840 --> 02:15:40,400 square foot, well, we actually allow you 3191 02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:42,079 to have a thousand square foot ADU. So, 3192 02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:43,599 you have a primary residence that's a 3193 02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:45,440 th00and square foot. You have an ADU 3194 02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:46,960 that's 1,000 square foot. In addition, 3195 02:15:46,960 --> 02:15:50,480 you have a JADU that's 500 square foot. 3196 02:15:50,480 --> 02:15:52,800 So, you're back to 2500 except now you 3197 02:15:52,800 --> 02:15:55,360 have three different three different 3198 02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:57,119 individual structures and you'll have 3199 02:15:57,119 --> 02:15:59,599 four of those. I mean, theoretically, 3200 02:15:59,599 --> 02:16:02,480 you could have a dozen on any parcel. 3201 02:16:02,480 --> 02:16:05,920 So, I worry that this will incentivize 3202 02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:07,920 nonhome owners because you're right, 3203 02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:09,360 most Hillsbor residents are not 3204 02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:12,320 interested in this, but investors are 3205 02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:15,679 potentially. And the drive would be to 3206 02:16:15,679 --> 02:16:17,760 build these individual entities, these 3207 02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:20,159 smaller homes and rent them. And and 3208 02:16:20,159 --> 02:16:22,000 there's nothing wrong with renting. We 3209 02:16:22,000 --> 02:16:24,560 are working on multif family housing to 3210 02:16:24,560 --> 02:16:27,599 allow for rentals. But if we shift the 3211 02:16:27,599 --> 02:16:29,760 burden from home ownership to rentals, 3212 02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:31,440 you will have micro homes throughout the 3213 02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:34,319 town. It would fundamentally change the 3214 02:16:34,319 --> 02:16:37,120 character of the town in a way that is 3215 02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:40,080 just completely different than what 3216 02:16:40,080 --> 02:16:42,000 exists currently. And I'm not blaming 3217 02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:44,240 you. And I think it was perhaps our 3218 02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:46,160 oversight not to have caught into the 3219 02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,080 details of this and I thank my colleague 3220 02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:50,880 for bringing it up. Um I I read this 3221 02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:52,719 again multiple times and I went back and 3222 02:16:52,719 --> 02:16:56,160 look at our um housing element that was 3223 02:16:56,160 --> 02:16:59,280 submitted and reviewed some of the 3224 02:16:59,280 --> 02:17:02,399 minutes and it was clear the intent to 3225 02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:05,760 reduce the size was really about multif 3226 02:17:05,760 --> 02:17:07,519 family housing such as apartment 3227 02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:09,760 buildings or an apartment that's a 3228 02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:11,280 thousand square foot makes sense. It's a 3229 02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:12,559 two or threebedroom apartment 3230 02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:16,240 potentially, but to make this change 3231 02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:19,280 will potentially increase. You could 3232 02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,280 quadruple the population overnight 3233 02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:23,120 because you have manufactured homes that 3234 02:17:23,120 --> 02:17:25,519 could be deployed which are allowed in 3235 02:17:25,519 --> 02:17:27,439 the town of Hillsboro. 3236 02:17:27,439 --> 02:17:29,679 And I think at a minimum we should reach 3237 02:17:29,679 --> 02:17:31,840 out to other stakeholders 3238 02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:34,479 such as public works, what's the impact 3239 02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:37,439 on our sewer system, police department, 3240 02:17:37,439 --> 02:17:40,960 our schools, etc. This is not about not 3241 02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:43,040 building. We are addressing that as you 3242 02:17:43,040 --> 02:17:45,200 heard earlier. We are moving forward to 3243 02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:48,240 get our housing elements um achieved. 3244 02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:50,399 But I just feel like reducing the size 3245 02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:53,439 of a primary home, the primary residence 3246 02:17:53,439 --> 02:17:57,120 is is quite drastic. Um go ahead. Yes. 3247 02:17:57,120 --> 02:17:59,200 >> I do want to clarify that this doesn't 3248 02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:02,639 change the allowed zoning or the allowed 3249 02:18:02,639 --> 02:18:05,920 density. It's merely reducing the 3250 02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:08,080 allowable size of a primary dwelling. It 3251 02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:09,760 doesn't change the number of units that 3252 02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:12,160 are allowed on a lot. It doesn't that's 3253 02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,639 already the case regardless of the size 3254 02:18:14,639 --> 02:18:15,679 of the primary dwelling. 3255 02:18:15,679 --> 02:18:17,439 >> But if you don't change the FAR, which 3256 02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:19,760 is the floor to area ratio, and you 3257 02:18:19,760 --> 02:18:22,319 change the size of the home, you have 3258 02:18:22,319 --> 02:18:24,479 half an acre, which is about 20,000 3259 02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:27,359 square foot. You can now have four 3260 02:18:27,359 --> 02:18:29,359 primary dwellings on that site. 3261 02:18:29,359 --> 02:18:31,760 >> You can only have one primary. 3262 02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:33,200 That's our zoning. You can only have 3263 02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:34,880 >> But you have residual land that's not 3264 02:18:34,880 --> 02:18:36,559 used. You would not have met your FAR. 3265 02:18:36,559 --> 02:18:38,399 There are I don't want to argue with you 3266 02:18:38,399 --> 02:18:40,559 about ADUs. We can certainly bring that 3267 02:18:40,559 --> 02:18:42,800 item back for a discussion. But 3268 02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:44,719 specifically for this item, it does not 3269 02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:46,479 change the density. It does not change 3270 02:18:46,479 --> 02:18:48,880 the allowable use. The same number of 3271 02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:50,479 units that are allowed now with our 3272 02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:52,160 minimum dwelling size would still be 3273 02:18:52,160 --> 02:18:54,399 allowed with the reduced minimum 3274 02:18:54,399 --> 02:18:57,679 dwelling size. There the the floor area 3275 02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:59,599 ratio, the FAR, is not the only 3276 02:18:59,599 --> 02:19:03,120 mechanism that regulates how much square 3277 02:19:03,120 --> 02:19:05,519 footage of structure can be on a site. 3278 02:19:05,519 --> 02:19:07,439 Um, you're allowed to have a converted 3279 02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:10,000 ADU, which has to be within the existing 3280 02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:12,080 square footage of the of an existing or 3281 02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,880 proposed home. A JADU is limited to 500 3282 02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:16,559 square feet. And then the limited 3283 02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:19,359 detached ADU that we're required is a 3284 02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:21,599 minimum of 800 square feet. We do allow 3285 02:19:21,599 --> 02:19:25,200 up to a,000, but it it's not changing 3286 02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:27,760 the allowable density beyond what's 3287 02:19:27,760 --> 02:19:29,439 already in place. 3288 02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:31,200 Yeah, I'm not sure how that math works, 3289 02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,599 but um I would allow my colleagues. It 3290 02:19:33,599 --> 02:19:35,599 sounds like um Council I mean Vice Mayor 3291 02:19:35,599 --> 02:19:37,200 Rexdale have a question. 3292 02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:39,439 >> That's that was my question. There's 3293 02:19:39,439 --> 02:19:42,559 still just one primary house, 3294 02:19:42,559 --> 02:19:43,359 >> correct? 3295 02:19:43,359 --> 02:19:46,559 >> But that's not stated here 3296 02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:48,880 >> in in this ordinance change. We did not 3297 02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:50,560 explicitly 3298 02:19:50,560 --> 02:19:53,680 state you can only have one primary. We 3299 02:19:53,680 --> 02:19:56,160 stated the primary dwelling size will be 3300 02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:58,800 8,000 square foot. 3301 02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:00,240 >> I believe that would be covered in the 3302 02:20:00,240 --> 02:20:01,200 zoning 3303 02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:02,160 >> if I'm not right. 3304 02:20:02,160 --> 02:20:05,359 >> Yeah. I mean 3305 02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:07,600 >> Well, can we can we bring this back for 3306 02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:10,000 um for the discussion because I Yeah, go 3307 02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:14,160 ahead. That's really I I understand that 3308 02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:15,840 there were really good reasons to put 3309 02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:18,800 this forth and probably we want to get 3310 02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:21,920 it addressed pretty soon, but I feel 3311 02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,720 there is still some confusion and also a 3312 02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:27,680 good case to be made for how this is 3313 02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,920 going to work in our town and if we 3314 02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:31,840 could just bring it back rather than 3315 02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:34,479 discuss it right now, I I would feel 3316 02:20:34,479 --> 02:20:36,560 more comfortable if that works for you. 3317 02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:37,200 Liz, 3318 02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:39,680 >> understood. Is there direction that the 3319 02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:41,600 council can provide about what exact 3320 02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:42,960 information would be helpful to 3321 02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:43,439 understand? 3322 02:20:43,439 --> 02:20:45,439 >> I think clarification in terms of what 3323 02:20:45,439 --> 02:20:49,120 we promised HCD because when I read what 3324 02:20:49,120 --> 02:20:50,960 we submitted it that was not my 3325 02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:53,120 understanding. So clearly this I 3326 02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:54,720 understood that to apply to multif 3327 02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:56,880 family housing not to single family 3328 02:20:56,880 --> 02:20:59,680 residents. Um so clarification along 3329 02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,720 those lines and what exactly this 3330 02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,200 translate to if the flow to area ratio 3331 02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:07,680 stays the same for half a you know for 3332 02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:11,200 any size lot and um what kind of density 3333 02:21:11,200 --> 02:21:14,640 we are looking at per parcel the impact 3334 02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:16,479 that would have to reach out to other 3335 02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:19,120 stakeholders like public works, police, 3336 02:21:19,120 --> 02:21:22,240 schools etc. and the population growth 3337 02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:24,160 and how quickly that could happen. I 3338 02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,880 think that would be a start. 3339 02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:27,760 Yeah. 3340 02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:31,200 >> And and I think um there could just be a 3341 02:21:31,200 --> 02:21:34,080 word or two added that for the one 3342 02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:37,680 allowed uh primary dwelling just to so 3343 02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:42,319 it's clear if if the other concerns are met. 3344 02:21:42,319 --> 02:21:44,160 >> I know the the schools could use more 3345 02:21:44,160 --> 02:21:46,800 kids. So I think we're okay there. 3346 02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:48,000 Thanks. 3347 02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:50,560 >> Um any additional um questions from 3348 02:21:50,560 --> 02:21:54,319 anyone else on the deis? 3349 02:21:54,319 --> 02:21:56,960 Liz, if I if I could just add unusual 3350 02:21:56,960 --> 02:21:58,399 here to ask you a question since I've 3351 02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:00,479 read over this as well, but was the 3352 02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:02,240 original help me understand was the 3353 02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:03,760 original request from the state that we 3354 02:22:03,760 --> 02:22:06,319 eliminate any size restriction and what 3355 02:22:06,319 --> 02:22:08,160 we're trying to do is put some size 3356 02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:09,920 restriction, but what the state is 3357 02:22:09,920 --> 02:22:12,319 really asking for is you should have no 3358 02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:15,040 size. There should be no small. It could 3359 02:22:15,040 --> 02:22:17,120 be as small as you can make the house. 3360 02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:18,319 >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there are minimum 3361 02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:20,240 requirements for what constitutes a 3362 02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:22,160 dwelling under state law and like 3363 02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:22,720 health, 3364 02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:24,160 >> but those are much lower than thousand 3365 02:22:24,160 --> 02:22:26,160 square feet. Yeah. So, I think the 3366 02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:28,560 intent was just to try to provide some 3367 02:22:28,560 --> 02:22:30,800 type of 3368 02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:34,160 >> the state's requirement is for ADUs, 3369 02:22:34,160 --> 02:22:38,000 NJADUs. It does not apply to primary 3370 02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:40,160 dwellings. 3371 02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,399 >> Uh, no. The housing element looks at all 3372 02:22:42,399 --> 02:22:45,920 of our regulations that um regulate 3373 02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:47,520 development. So they look at all of our 3374 02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:49,680 zoning ordinances, anything that would 3375 02:22:49,680 --> 02:22:52,720 be seen as a barrier to development of 3376 02:22:52,720 --> 02:22:55,200 all housing types, meaning large homes, 3377 02:22:55,200 --> 02:23:00,469 small homes, ADUs, multifamily. 3378 02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:02,880 » Yeah. Um, Council Member Krill, 3379 02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:06,560 >> so just to clarify, so there's only one 3380 02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:08,560 primary dwelling unit per lot, 3381 02:23:08,560 --> 02:23:09,120 >> correct? 3382 02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:11,920 >> And then you could still have one ADU 3383 02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:15,200 and one J AU. 3384 02:23:15,200 --> 02:23:20,160 Uh, and even and if you had a the garage 3385 02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:21,439 one, would the garage have to be 3386 02:23:21,439 --> 02:23:22,720 attached or something? 3387 02:23:22,720 --> 02:23:25,280 >> There are a few configurations and it 3388 02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:28,319 depends on which mechanism you go 3389 02:23:28,319 --> 02:23:31,120 through, but you can have either one 3390 02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:33,120 attached that's either attached or it's 3391 02:23:33,120 --> 02:23:35,520 a conversion attached. You can have one 3392 02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:37,439 detached and you can have a Jadu which 3393 02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:40,479 is Jadu has to be attached as part of a 3394 02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:43,280 >> but still only one on one lot, one 3395 02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:47,040 primary dwelling. Correct. Thank you. 3396 02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:50,399 >> Any additional questions? 3397 02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:52,800 Um, okay. So, we'll bring this back for 3398 02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:55,120 further discussion and it's removed from 3399 02:23:55,120 --> 02:23:58,399 the consent calendar and um we will move 3400 02:23:58,399 --> 02:24:01,120 forward and approve item one. 3401 02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:02,560 >> So, moved 3402 02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:03,840 >> as amended. Right. 3403 02:24:03,840 --> 02:24:06,479 >> As amended. Yes. Item one. 3404 02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:08,399 >> Second. 3405 02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:10,640 >> Um, all those in favor of item one 3406 02:24:10,640 --> 02:24:11,680 amended. Hi. 3407 02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:13,840 >> Hi. 3408 02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:15,920 >> And then for the last one before 3409 02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:16,640 continuing. 3410 02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:19,439 >> Uh yes, item 15 will be continue will be 3411 02:24:19,439 --> 02:24:20,800 brought back for further discussion. 3412 02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:22,080 >> 14. 3413 02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:27,359 >> I'm sorry. Um item 14. Sorry. We will 3414 02:24:27,359 --> 02:24:30,960 the next item on the agenda is item 15 3415 02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:36,000 which I will be recused from. Um and I 3416 02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:47,830 will step aside. 3417 02:24:47,840 --> 02:24:51,200 Thank you. Welcome to item 15. The mayor 3418 02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:55,600 will um be recusing herself due to um 3419 02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:58,080 the proximity of her her primary 3420 02:24:58,080 --> 02:25:00,800 residence. And this is the conceptual 3421 02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:04,000 review of the subdivision of um parcel 3422 02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,399 number 038- 3423 02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:08,560 1110-160. 3424 02:25:08,560 --> 02:25:13,349 and parcel number 038121-160 3425 02:25:13,359 --> 02:25:15,920 otherwise known as the Metawwood Estates 3426 02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:18,479 into two parcels with a and a dedication 3427 02:25:18,479 --> 02:25:20,800 of a public utility easements which will 3428 02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:23,120 be presented by deputy deputy director 3429 02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:26,319 of public works Natalie Griven. 3430 02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:29,120 >> Good evening [clears throat] madame vice 3431 02:25:29,120 --> 02:25:32,240 mayor and council members. 3432 02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:34,399 Okay. Yes. So tonight I'll be presenting 3433 02:25:34,399 --> 02:25:37,920 on the conceptual conceptual review of a 3434 02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:40,080 two lot subdivision. You may be 3435 02:25:40,080 --> 02:25:42,319 wondering why there are two APNs. It is 3436 02:25:42,319 --> 02:25:45,200 one legal lot. Uh we did some the 3437 02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:47,040 applicant did a lot of research with the 3438 02:25:47,040 --> 02:25:49,439 title company and the surveyor and the 3439 02:25:49,439 --> 02:25:51,600 county. It appears it was created for 3440 02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:54,080 tax purposes only at C at one point, but 3441 02:25:54,080 --> 02:25:56,240 it is one legal lot that's being 3442 02:25:56,240 --> 02:25:59,200 proposed to that's they're proposing to 3443 02:25:59,200 --> 02:26:03,110 subdivide into two. 3444 02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:05,600 So before I delve into the application 3445 02:26:05,600 --> 02:26:08,160 itself, I want to provide a brief 3446 02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:11,280 overview on the subdivision process. The 3447 02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:13,120 town municipal code requires 3448 02:26:13,120 --> 02:26:16,399 subdivisions are heard at four meeting 3449 02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:18,479 public meetings. The first is the 3450 02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:20,640 conceptual review by city council which 3451 02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:23,200 is where we are tonight. The second is 3452 02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:26,640 the conceptual review by ADRB which is 3453 02:26:26,640 --> 02:26:29,760 tenatively scheduled for August 31st. 3454 02:26:29,760 --> 02:26:32,080 Uh at both these meetings, no actions 3455 02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:34,399 are taken, just comments are received 3456 02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:36,880 and feedback are received. 3457 02:26:36,880 --> 02:26:39,600 Then the tenative map is considered by 3458 02:26:39,600 --> 02:26:42,720 city council at a public hearing to uh 3459 02:26:42,720 --> 02:26:46,160 approve conditionally approve or deny 3460 02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:48,800 the application. And then finally, a 3461 02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:50,720 final the final map will be considered 3462 02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:53,600 by city council prior to its final 3463 02:26:53,600 --> 02:26:57,590 recordation. 3464 02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:00,080 The code specifically 3465 02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:02,880 uh states that a conceptual review 3466 02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:05,760 public hearing is intended to facilitate 3467 02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:09,040 optimum subdivision design, reduce 3468 02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:12,000 unproductive efforts by all parties, and 3469 02:27:12,000 --> 02:27:13,680 bring about a better result for 3470 02:27:13,680 --> 02:27:16,319 applicants, town residents, and city 3471 02:27:16,319 --> 02:27:17,920 council. 3472 02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:20,560 The process provides a form for citizens 3473 02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:22,960 and the city council, 3474 02:27:22,960 --> 02:27:24,960 excuse me, to provide preliminary 3475 02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:27,120 feedback on issues relating to the 3476 02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:29,439 subdivision's design and potential 3477 02:27:29,439 --> 02:27:33,750 environmental issues. 3478 02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:36,000 So, the property in question is located 3479 02:27:36,000 --> 02:27:38,160 near the intersection of Tartan Trail 3480 02:27:38,160 --> 02:27:43,349 Road and Crystal Springs Road. 3481 02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:47,120 The existing lot is about 20 acres and 3482 02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:50,720 the two proposed lots are or lot one is 3483 02:27:50,720 --> 02:27:53,280 proposed at about 6 acres and lot two is 3484 02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:58,710 about 14 acres. 3485 02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:01,760 Now, many of you may be may recall that 3486 02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:04,399 an eight lot vesting tenative map was 3487 02:28:04,399 --> 02:28:07,439 approved in 2020 with a recorded 3488 02:28:07,439 --> 02:28:10,160 development agreement. And the vesting 3489 02:28:10,160 --> 02:28:12,000 tenative map is displayed on the screen 3490 02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:14,880 right now. 3491 02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:17,600 You'll see that a majority of that area 3492 02:28:17,600 --> 02:28:19,439 consists of this lot that's being 3493 02:28:19,439 --> 02:28:22,960 presented tonight. The lot is compatible 3494 02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:25,280 uh in the the lot's configuration is 3495 02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:28,240 compatible with the approved VTM and 3496 02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:30,640 therefore there's no conflict processing 3497 02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:32,880 multiple multiple maps and multiple 3498 02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:35,359 steps. Uh the development agreement 3499 02:28:35,359 --> 02:28:38,240 which has been recorded controls uh the 3500 02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:40,800 development of this uh lot in front of 3501 02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:44,630 you us tonight. 3502 02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:48,399 Lot two aligns with lots five. The 3503 02:28:48,399 --> 02:28:51,520 proposed lot two aligns with lots five, 3504 02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:53,840 six, seven, and eight of the approved 3505 02:28:53,840 --> 02:28:55,359 VTM. 3506 02:28:55,359 --> 02:28:58,080 And so subdividing 3507 02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:00,720 the lots tonight would allow the 3508 02:29:00,720 --> 02:29:03,760 property owner to cleanly sell off uh 3509 02:29:03,760 --> 02:29:05,520 lots five, six, seven, and eight 3510 02:29:05,520 --> 02:29:09,040 separately from the rest prior to the 3511 02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:15,429 recording of the final map of the VTM. 3512 02:29:15,439 --> 02:29:17,840 The applica the application is 3513 02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:19,920 consistent with the subdivision map act 3514 02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:23,040 and the town subdivision ordinance. Uh 3515 02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:25,680 the um it's anticipated that the 3516 02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:28,240 proposed subdivision will rely on the 3517 02:29:28,240 --> 02:29:31,040 previously adopted environmental impact 3518 02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:34,160 report and public notices were mailed 3519 02:29:34,160 --> 02:29:36,560 for the municipal code and I staff has 3520 02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:41,429 not received uh comment to date. 3521 02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:43,600 So staff's recommendation is to open to 3522 02:29:43,600 --> 02:29:46,160 open the public hearing close the public 3523 02:29:46,160 --> 02:29:48,960 hearing uh hear comments close the 3524 02:29:48,960 --> 02:29:52,000 public close the public hearing and then 3525 02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:55,120 again no action uh would be will be 3526 02:29:55,120 --> 02:29:58,160 provided tonight but uh uh comments 3527 02:29:58,160 --> 02:30:03,429 preliminary comments uh are welcomed. 3528 02:30:03,439 --> 02:30:05,280 Thank you very much Natalie. U does 3529 02:30:05,280 --> 02:30:07,840 anyone have any clarifying questions for 3530 02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:09,840 Natalie? 3531 02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:12,399 Seeing none, we will open the public 3532 02:30:12,399 --> 02:30:15,840 hearing on this matter and um you can 3533 02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:17,760 come up to the podium and give your 3534 02:30:17,760 --> 02:30:19,760 comments and then you can um fill out a 3535 02:30:19,760 --> 02:30:22,000 card later. 3536 02:30:22,000 --> 02:30:23,439 But would you need to come up to the 3537 02:30:23,439 --> 02:30:24,560 microphone? So um 3538 02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:25,840 >> I think I think 3539 02:30:25,840 --> 02:30:26,479 >> Sure. 3540 02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:27,200 >> Oh, 3541 02:30:27,200 --> 02:30:28,880 >> if you come up to the microphone then 3542 02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:30,800 that way the people watching at home or 3543 02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,520 watching later can hear you. Thank you. 3544 02:30:33,520 --> 02:30:33,840 >> Oh, 3545 02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:34,399 >> hi. 3546 02:30:34,399 --> 02:30:34,800 >> Yeah. 3547 02:30:34,800 --> 02:30:36,800 >> So my neighbor and I are here this 3548 02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:38,880 evening and Okay, 3549 02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:40,319 >> Vice Mayor Regston, 3550 02:30:40,319 --> 02:30:42,960 >> we live on 3551 02:30:42,960 --> 02:30:44,160 Hold on. 3552 02:30:44,160 --> 02:30:46,399 >> If we could, if normally the applicant 3553 02:30:46,399 --> 02:30:48,000 is not here, I understand they are in 3554 02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:49,439 attendance and so we always want to let 3555 02:30:49,439 --> 02:30:51,040 the applicant speak first in case they 3556 02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:52,720 have any um comments or anything to 3557 02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:54,640 share with you. I think a conclusion of 3558 02:30:54,640 --> 02:30:56,000 their comments, we can take public 3559 02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:57,520 comment and then at the conclusion of 3560 02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:59,520 those public comments um we might want 3561 02:30:59,520 --> 02:31:01,280 to allow the applicant some brief 3562 02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:02,720 rebuttal time. 3563 02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:05,760 >> I hi I don't have a comment. I just have 3564 02:31:05,760 --> 02:31:08,080 a question. Oh, yes. We want to hear 3565 02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:09,359 from the applicant first, but then 3566 02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:10,720 you'll be able to ask your questions. 3567 02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:12,319 >> Questions? Yeah. 3568 02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:14,240 >> Great. Thank Thank you, city. I had that 3569 02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:18,790 backwards. 3570 02:31:18,800 --> 02:31:20,479 » Hello, my name is Brian Desler. Thank 3571 02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:23,120 you for hearing on this item. Um, 3572 02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:26,000 really, uh, this is something as, as 3573 02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:28,399 most of you know, we did get approved in 3574 02:31:28,399 --> 02:31:31,520 2020. at the time uh really on an 3575 02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:33,840 oversight on our part, we had always 3576 02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:36,080 thought that these were two individual 3577 02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:38,160 we had two APNs and so I think we had 3578 02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:41,600 just uh uncorrectly assumed that we had 3579 02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,080 two legal parcels but as we've been 3580 02:31:44,080 --> 02:31:46,800 going through the process of of 3581 02:31:46,800 --> 02:31:50,640 finalizing our uh agreements to develop 3582 02:31:50,640 --> 02:31:53,120 the property uh we found out it's 3583 02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:55,920 actually as Natalie stated it's only a 3584 02:31:55,920 --> 02:31:58,080 single legal parcel as far as the county 3585 02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:00,960 is concerned. So really administratively 3586 02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:03,680 we're just trying to split this uh down 3587 02:32:03,680 --> 02:32:05,280 the middle as it was approved in the 3588 02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:08,160 vesting tenative map and and do it 3589 02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:10,240 legally. So that's all I really had to 3590 02:32:10,240 --> 02:32:12,640 say but thank you for hearing this. 3591 02:32:12,640 --> 02:32:17,510 >> Great. Thank you so much. 3592 02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:20,640 All right. Now I will ask if we have any 3593 02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:28,630 public comments. 3594 02:32:28,640 --> 02:32:30,160 So, 3595 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:33,600 we we live uh on Blue Bell Lane, which 3596 02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:36,800 is a little culde-sac that looks many of 3597 02:32:36,800 --> 02:32:39,040 my neighbors look down on Crystal 3598 02:32:39,040 --> 02:32:40,960 Springs Road. 3599 02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:43,760 And so, it's of great interest to us, 3600 02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:48,560 this proposed development. And um to 3601 02:32:48,560 --> 02:32:51,760 begin, I'd just like to know how many 3602 02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:54,080 homes are proposed 3603 02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:59,040 and um what how large they will be. Are 3604 02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:00,560 they 3605 02:33:00,560 --> 02:33:05,359 um individual homes? Because this 3606 02:33:05,359 --> 02:33:07,040 development 3607 02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:09,760 uh came up before maybe about 15 20 3608 02:33:09,760 --> 02:33:13,200 years ago and it was proposed at that 3609 02:33:13,200 --> 02:33:17,920 time by a developer to put in uh 3610 02:33:17,920 --> 02:33:19,920 anominiums. 3611 02:33:19,920 --> 02:33:22,080 But this is about 15 or 20 year more 3612 02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:24,319 like 20 years ago. 3613 02:33:24,319 --> 02:33:27,920 So um I know nothing about what is being 3614 02:33:27,920 --> 02:33:32,080 proposed this evening. So if the 3615 02:33:32,080 --> 02:33:34,800 developer or his representative is here 3616 02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:37,600 this evening, you could just give me a 3617 02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:40,800 little bit more information about again 3618 02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:44,720 how many homes. Um how large the homes 3619 02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:49,120 will be? Um, will the lots be half an 3620 02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:51,680 acre or more? Or just general 3621 02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:55,040 information so that we sort of get a 3622 02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:58,080 visual idea in our minds what the 3623 02:33:58,080 --> 02:34:02,160 completed development will look like. 3624 02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:04,479 We're interested because we'll be 3625 02:34:04,479 --> 02:34:06,960 neighbors. Thank you. 3626 02:34:06,960 --> 02:34:09,280 >> Thank you. And again, the item tonight 3627 02:34:09,280 --> 02:34:12,479 is a technicality just splitting the 3628 02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:14,880 lots for because they um they have two 3629 02:34:14,880 --> 02:34:18,640 APN numbers, but they legally are still 3630 02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:21,280 one lot and all of the other details 3631 02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:25,439 will um come in due time. Thank you. Um 3632 02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:27,760 do we have any other public comments? 3633 02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:29,600 >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. Um, I don't have 3634 02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,080 any additional speaker cards on this 3635 02:34:32,080 --> 02:34:33,520 item, but I'll just ask if there's 3636 02:34:33,520 --> 02:34:35,359 anyone on Zoom who would like to provide 3637 02:34:35,359 --> 02:34:37,359 comment on this item to raise their hand 3638 02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:40,160 now. 3639 02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:42,560 And I'm not seeing any raised hands. 3640 02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:43,920 Thank you. 3641 02:34:43,920 --> 02:34:46,720 >> Thank you. Um, would the applicant like 3642 02:34:46,720 --> 02:34:55,910 to uh comment on the comments? 3643 02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:58,319 » Yes. uh to address the question really 3644 02:34:58,319 --> 02:35:01,600 at this time there's no proposed homes. 3645 02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:03,680 So it's the vesting tenative map did 3646 02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:06,640 approve uh eight total home sites on the 3647 02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:09,040 entire 20 acre parcel. Four off of 3648 02:35:09,040 --> 02:35:11,680 Tartan Trail Road and four off of 3649 02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:15,200 Crystal Springs Road, but at this time 3650 02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:18,479 um there's no housing proposed 3651 02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:20,000 immediately. 3652 02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:22,720 those uh when housing is actually 3653 02:35:22,720 --> 02:35:25,600 proposed on both sides, those will go 3654 02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:29,359 through the normal ADRB and uh council 3655 02:35:29,359 --> 02:35:31,439 approval process. So, there'll be plenty 3656 02:35:31,439 --> 02:35:33,920 of time at that point and that may be a 3657 02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:36,160 year from now or four years from now. I 3658 02:35:36,160 --> 02:35:39,520 don't know exactly when, but um that 3659 02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:42,800 process will go through the normal town 3660 02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:46,160 approval process. Um, and you will get a 3661 02:35:46,160 --> 02:35:48,640 lot more information at that time as to 3662 02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:50,880 the size of the homes, how big the lots 3663 02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:54,399 are, and everything like that. 3664 02:35:54,399 --> 02:35:57,040 >> Thank you, Mr. Destler. If there are no 3665 02:35:57,040 --> 02:35:59,600 more public comments, I will now close 3666 02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:01,520 the public hearing and bring it back to 3667 02:36:01,520 --> 02:36:04,319 council to see if there are any 3668 02:36:04,319 --> 02:36:09,990 comments. 3669 02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:15,439 No comments. Um Um, okay. I uh would be 3670 02:36:15,439 --> 02:36:18,560 open to a motion to approve this item. 3671 02:36:18,560 --> 02:36:20,880 >> No. So move. 3672 02:36:20,880 --> 02:36:23,280 >> Yes. So Vice Mayor Rexdale City Council, 3673 02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:24,960 this is just conceptual review. So I 3674 02:36:24,960 --> 02:36:26,479 think staff is just looking for input 3675 02:36:26,479 --> 02:36:28,160 from the council if you have any uh 3676 02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:29,600 questions or things you want to see when 3677 02:36:29,600 --> 02:36:31,600 this comes back to you, but otherwise 3678 02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:33,280 this will come back to you for approval, 3679 02:36:33,280 --> 02:36:34,880 but future meeting. 3680 02:36:34,880 --> 02:36:37,120 >> Great rookie rookie move here. Thank 3681 02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:41,120 you. Um, so if anyone has any comments 3682 02:36:41,120 --> 02:36:46,640 uh on the direction, uh, if not, I'll just say it seems to make sense to 3683 02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:50,000 me that, um, when we had this item 3684 02:36:50,000 --> 02:36:52,080 before us, it we we thought it was two 3685 02:36:52,080 --> 02:36:54,640 lots all along, so it it does seem to 3686 02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:56,160 make sense. So, if anyone has any 3687 02:36:56,160 --> 02:36:58,640 different direction, speak now or 3688 02:36:58,640 --> 02:37:01,040 forever. Hold your peace. All right. 3689 02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:03,840 Thank you. And, uh, could someone call 3690 02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:07,040 the mayor back? She's better at this. 3691 02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:12,230 Thank you. 3692 02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:13,680 I think you're the next you're the next 3693 02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:43,910 item too right now. Okay. Thank you. 3694 02:37:43,920 --> 02:37:45,680 While we're waiting, I'll just say I 3695 02:37:45,680 --> 02:37:47,120 think it would be nice to have a village 3696 02:37:47,120 --> 02:37:50,240 of like 2500 square foot homes and have 3697 02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:52,160 city employees have first crack at 3698 02:37:52,160 --> 02:37:55,040 buying them. 3699 02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:57,280 >> We're welcoming back our mayor. Don't 3700 02:37:57,280 --> 02:37:59,269 watch the recording. Mayor Cole 3701 02:37:59,269 --> 02:37:59,840 [laughter] 3702 02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:02,479 did not do well. Thank you. Welcome 3703 02:38:02,479 --> 02:38:08,309 back. 3704 02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:11,520 » Thank you. Um, 3705 02:38:11,520 --> 02:38:14,479 so that was item 3706 02:38:14,479 --> 02:38:19,120 16. Item 16. Okay. Um, 3707 02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:23,760 hello Natalie. How are you? Um item 16, 3708 02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:26,479 conceptual review of subdivision of 119 3709 02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:28,880 Reservoir Road into three parcels and 3710 02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:32,319 dedication of public utility easements. 3711 02:38:32,319 --> 02:38:33,040 Yes. 3712 02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:35,840 >> Great. Thank you. Good evening, madame 3713 02:38:35,840 --> 02:38:38,880 mayor and again fellow council members. 3714 02:38:38,880 --> 02:38:41,520 So this next item is also a conceptual 3715 02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:45,680 review of a subdivision at third at 119 3716 02:38:45,680 --> 02:38:48,800 Reservoir Road. Uh, 3717 02:38:48,800 --> 02:38:50,880 so I just went over this, but for the 3718 02:38:50,880 --> 02:38:52,960 benefit of the mayor Cole, I'm just 3719 02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:55,680 going to briefly uh go over the 3720 02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:59,600 subdivision process um before I dive 3721 02:38:59,600 --> 02:39:00,960 into the details of the actual 3722 02:39:00,960 --> 02:39:04,399 application. The application is um 3723 02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:06,960 subdivisions are heard at four public 3724 02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:09,359 meetings. The first is conceptual review 3725 02:39:09,359 --> 02:39:11,680 at city council. The second is 3726 02:39:11,680 --> 02:39:14,160 conceptual review at ADRB. At both these 3727 02:39:14,160 --> 02:39:17,520 meetings, neither no com no actions are 3728 02:39:17,520 --> 02:39:20,800 taken, just comments are welcomed. And 3729 02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:24,000 then the third meeting is a tenative map 3730 02:39:24,000 --> 02:39:26,319 review by city council where council 3731 02:39:26,319 --> 02:39:29,120 will approve, conditionally approve or 3732 02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:31,920 deny the application. And then lastly is 3733 02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:34,560 the final map which the council will 3734 02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:36,560 approve or deny the application before 3735 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:38,720 the map actually gets recorded at the 3736 02:39:38,720 --> 02:39:41,280 county. 3737 02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:44,240 And again briefly just to summarize uh 3738 02:39:44,240 --> 02:39:46,240 the intent of the conceptual review 3739 02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:48,319 public hearing is to welcome comments 3740 02:39:48,319 --> 02:39:50,720 from all parties, the public, the 3741 02:39:50,720 --> 02:39:55,359 council to uh create a more streamlined 3742 02:39:55,359 --> 02:39:58,000 um application process and a better 3743 02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:01,120 result uh in the end for the applicant 3744 02:40:01,120 --> 02:40:06,389 and um residents. 3745 02:40:06,399 --> 02:40:08,240 Okay. 3746 02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:12,240 So 119 Reservoir Reservoir Road is 3747 02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:14,800 located where the red star is on the 3748 02:40:14,800 --> 02:40:18,960 eastern side of Ish Hillsboro. Uh it's a 3749 02:40:18,960 --> 02:40:21,840 culde-sac and the property is located at 3750 02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:27,270 the near the end of the culde-sac. 3751 02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:32,000 The existing lot is 5 1/2 acres 3752 02:40:32,000 --> 02:40:33,600 and 3753 02:40:33,600 --> 02:40:36,479 there are three lots being proposed. The 3754 02:40:36,479 --> 02:40:41,120 first is 2.12 acres. The second is 2 and 3755 02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:44,479 a/4 acres and lot three is 8/10 of an 3756 02:40:44,479 --> 02:40:46,800 acre. 3757 02:40:46,800 --> 02:40:49,840 The existing home is will be would be 3758 02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:52,240 located on lot two and is proposed to 3759 02:40:52,240 --> 02:40:55,429 remain 3760 02:40:55,439 --> 02:40:58,399 and lots one and three would remain 3761 02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:00,560 vacant as part of this subdivision, but 3762 02:41:00,560 --> 02:41:04,479 they are suitable for uh future build. 3763 02:41:04,479 --> 02:41:06,720 We did receive one public comment 3764 02:41:06,720 --> 02:41:10,640 regarding the uh buildability of lot 3765 02:41:10,640 --> 02:41:16,399 three and the uh the minimum lot size 3766 02:41:16,399 --> 02:41:19,520 per our municipal code is based on this 3767 02:41:19,520 --> 02:41:22,479 generally based on the uh how steep the 3768 02:41:22,479 --> 02:41:25,359 lot is. So generally steeper the lot the 3769 02:41:25,359 --> 02:41:28,000 bigger the minimum lot size. 3770 02:41:28,000 --> 02:41:31,200 This minimum lot size for lot three is 6 3771 02:41:31,200 --> 02:41:33,840 acres and it's currently being proposed 3772 02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:41,990 at 0.8 acres 8 tons. 3773 02:41:42,000 --> 02:41:49,359 And of course lots one and three the the shaded uh dark gray rectangles 3774 02:41:49,359 --> 02:41:53,120 areas. If and when a property owner or a 3775 02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:55,280 future developer decides to make 3776 02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:57,359 improvements to this lot, they would be 3777 02:41:57,359 --> 02:42:00,000 subject to the town's building permit 3778 02:42:00,000 --> 02:42:05,590 process ADRB design review. 3779 02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:08,720 So the project is consistent with the 3780 02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:11,680 California subdivision map act and all 3781 02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:13,200 other requirements of the town 3782 02:42:13,200 --> 02:42:17,439 subdivision ordinance. the um it has 3783 02:42:17,439 --> 02:42:20,960 been ter this is a a preliminary view. 3784 02:42:20,960 --> 02:42:24,640 So uh the an environmental assessment 3785 02:42:24,640 --> 02:42:28,160 will be required. It'll be either deemed 3786 02:42:28,160 --> 02:42:30,800 uh exempt from SQA or the appropriate 3787 02:42:30,800 --> 02:42:33,120 environmental document will be presented 3788 02:42:33,120 --> 02:42:36,880 to council at the uh tenative map um 3789 02:42:36,880 --> 02:42:39,120 meeting 3790 02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:41,200 and public notices were mailed in 3791 02:42:41,200 --> 02:42:45,760 accordance with the municipal code. 3792 02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:48,160 So with that similar recommendation, 3793 02:42:48,160 --> 02:42:50,720 open the public hearing, hear comments, 3794 02:42:50,720 --> 02:42:52,560 close the public hearing, and again no 3795 02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:56,160 action will be taken tonight, but uh 3796 02:42:56,160 --> 02:42:58,080 staff and the applicants welcome 3797 02:42:58,080 --> 02:43:00,319 feedback. And I believe we have members 3798 02:43:00,319 --> 02:43:03,280 of the applicant team on Zoom with us 3799 02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:04,880 tonight. 3800 02:43:04,880 --> 02:43:06,640 >> Um thank you Natly Griven for the 3801 02:43:06,640 --> 02:43:08,640 presentation. Do we have any um 3802 02:43:08,640 --> 02:43:10,720 questions from the council before we go 3803 02:43:10,720 --> 02:43:13,520 to public comments? Any clarifying 3804 02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:15,520 questions? Yes, council member Chong. 3805 02:43:15,520 --> 02:43:17,680 >> Um, thank you Natalie for your 3806 02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:21,280 presentation and just so um we do have a 3807 02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:23,600 public comments regarding lot three and 3808 02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:25,760 I'm also curious about lot three because 3809 02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:28,160 the size is quite different and in terms 3810 02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:30,720 of what you just had explained which is 3811 02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,840 that the location of lot three um has a 3812 02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:39,280 steeper hills. Is that is that correct? 3813 02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:41,040 >> No, it's it doesn't have a steeper 3814 02:43:41,040 --> 02:43:44,479 slope. Um, I just was saying that our 3815 02:43:44,479 --> 02:43:48,160 code uh sets minimum lot sizes based on 3816 02:43:48,160 --> 02:43:52,080 how steep a property is. So based on how 3817 02:43:52,080 --> 02:43:56,399 steep the the slope of the of this 3818 02:43:56,399 --> 02:43:59,200 particular lot, the minimum lot size 3819 02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:02,080 calculates out to 6/10 of an acre. 3820 02:44:02,080 --> 02:44:04,000 That's what our code requires. I see. 3821 02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:06,640 And the application is or this applica 3822 02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:09,279 application is proposing 8/10 of an 3823 02:44:09,279 --> 02:44:10,640 acre. So, 3824 02:44:10,640 --> 02:44:12,800 >> so it so they're exceeding the minimum 3825 02:44:12,800 --> 02:44:14,560 lot size. 3826 02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:17,439 >> So, uh what what does that mean? 3827 02:44:17,439 --> 02:44:20,000 >> Oh, the intent of the minimum lot size 3828 02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:23,359 is to um one of the intents of the 3829 02:44:23,359 --> 02:44:26,240 minimum lot size is to ensure that a 3830 02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:28,399 property is buildable. If it's too 3831 02:44:28,399 --> 02:44:31,920 sleep, if it's too steep, then the less 3832 02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:36,240 area there is to build. So, um, because 3833 02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:40,399 this applicant, uh, proposes 25% more 3834 02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:43,120 than what our code requires, the 3835 02:44:43,120 --> 02:44:45,200 property would be considered buildable 3836 02:44:45,200 --> 02:44:47,279 per our code's requirements. 3837 02:44:47,279 --> 02:44:50,479 >> I see. Thank you. 3838 02:44:50,479 --> 02:44:52,720 >> Any additional clarifying question? 3839 02:44:52,720 --> 02:44:54,399 Well, um, okay, we'll go to public 3840 02:44:54,399 --> 02:44:55,920 comments. 3841 02:44:55,920 --> 02:44:57,760 Um, are there any 3842 02:44:57,760 --> 02:44:59,200 >> Mayor Cole? I was going to indicate uh 3843 02:44:59,200 --> 02:45:00,720 because the applicant is on Zoom, we 3844 02:45:00,720 --> 02:45:02,479 might want to start with them to uh 3845 02:45:02,479 --> 02:45:04,640 state any comments and then once they're 3846 02:45:04,640 --> 02:45:06,080 uh concluded with their comments, we 3847 02:45:06,080 --> 02:45:07,760 would take general public comment and 3848 02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:09,120 then if there's a lot of public comment, 3849 02:45:09,120 --> 02:45:10,160 you might want to give the applicant 3850 02:45:10,160 --> 02:45:11,439 some rebuttal time. 3851 02:45:11,439 --> 02:45:15,040 >> Okay. And who is the applicant? 3852 02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:17,760 >> Oh, Mr. Tom Vogle. 3853 02:45:17,760 --> 02:45:20,160 >> Mr. Vera. Steven Vera. 3854 02:45:20,160 --> 02:45:22,000 >> Tom Vogle. 3855 02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:24,880 >> Where is Okay. He does not have his arm. 3856 02:45:24,880 --> 02:45:28,880 Mr. Vogle, are you um ready to 3857 02:45:28,880 --> 02:45:30,479 >> I'm not sure if he had anything 3858 02:45:30,479 --> 02:45:33,279 prepared. Um but he is available to 3859 02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:34,800 answer questions. 3860 02:45:34,800 --> 02:45:36,479 >> Hello, council. 3861 02:45:36,479 --> 02:45:39,040 >> Can you hear me on the spot? 3862 02:45:39,040 --> 02:45:40,479 >> That's fine. That's fine. Natalie 3863 02:45:40,479 --> 02:45:41,359 mentioned it. 3864 02:45:41,359 --> 02:45:43,040 >> Hello to all. I'm gonna I'm gonna defer 3865 02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:47,040 to my partner boss Steven Burner. 3866 02:45:47,040 --> 02:45:48,720 >> Steve, can you raise your hand? 3867 02:45:48,720 --> 02:45:52,399 >> Yes. Got it. Thank you. 3868 02:45:52,399 --> 02:45:54,560 >> Okay. Hello, Mr. Burner. Yes, please 3869 02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:57,830 proceed. 3870 02:45:57,840 --> 02:46:00,160 » Hello, Mayor Cole and fellow council 3871 02:46:00,160 --> 02:46:01,680 members. Thank you for your time this 3872 02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:04,399 evening. Um, yes, I think what Natalie 3873 02:46:04,399 --> 02:46:06,399 summarized what we're attempting to do 3874 02:46:06,399 --> 02:46:08,960 was to create two potentially buildable 3875 02:46:08,960 --> 02:46:11,680 lots from this um nice parcel at the end 3876 02:46:11,680 --> 02:46:16,240 of Reservoir Road. And um I think uh lot 3877 02:46:16,240 --> 02:46:18,800 one was an easy 3878 02:46:18,800 --> 02:46:22,319 um amount of area to create and lot 3879 02:46:22,319 --> 02:46:24,399 three we worked with uh Natalie and her 3880 02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:26,960 team to figure out a way to get that to 3881 02:46:26,960 --> 02:46:29,040 work and I think what we proposed does 3882 02:46:29,040 --> 02:46:31,520 work and as as she mentioned we exceed 3883 02:46:31,520 --> 02:46:35,760 the minimum lot size by 25%. Um so any 3884 02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:37,279 further I'll wait to see if there's any 3885 02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:38,800 comments and take questions at the end. 3886 02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:41,200 Thank you. 3887 02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:45,120 >> Okay. Any um additional 3888 02:46:45,120 --> 02:46:47,359 comments or questions from the public 3889 02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:49,680 either on Zoom or in the chambers? 3890 02:46:49,680 --> 02:46:51,680 >> Yes. Uh thank you, Mayor Cole. Lawrence 3891 02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:58,150 Frank. 3892 02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:03,429 » Hello, Mr. Spring. 3893 02:47:03,439 --> 02:47:04,960 » Thank you very much for the opportunity 3894 02:47:04,960 --> 02:47:08,080 to address you. Um my name is Lawrence 3895 02:47:08,080 --> 02:47:10,399 Frank. I have lived for the last 78 3896 02:47:10,399 --> 02:47:12,800 years at 101 Reservoir Road down at the 3897 02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:15,920 bottom. Um, I have to start out by 3898 02:47:15,920 --> 02:47:18,720 saying I could not be more ignorant of 3899 02:47:18,720 --> 02:47:22,640 real estate law or uh the process you're 3900 02:47:22,640 --> 02:47:26,399 discussing tonight. I'm addressing 3901 02:47:26,399 --> 02:47:29,840 strictly environmental considerations. 3902 02:47:29,840 --> 02:47:32,800 When I was a kid, we lived at the bottom 3903 02:47:32,800 --> 02:47:36,000 of Reservoir and Daniel and Marian 3904 02:47:36,000 --> 02:47:38,800 Koshland lived up at the top and next to 3905 02:47:38,800 --> 02:47:40,880 them at the very end was the Vista's 3906 02:47:40,880 --> 02:47:42,880 greenhouse. 3907 02:47:42,880 --> 02:47:46,000 In the early 1950s, Dan and Marian's 3908 02:47:46,000 --> 02:47:48,720 daughter Phyllis and her husband husband 3909 02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:51,359 Howard Freriedman built the house which 3910 02:47:51,359 --> 02:47:56,319 is uh now at 119 Reservoir uh lot number 3911 02:47:56,319 --> 02:48:00,150 two. 3912 02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:02,240 At the time, Hillsboro was still very 3913 02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:04,479 largely 3914 02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:07,520 pristine, gorgeous oak forest. Right 3915 02:48:07,520 --> 02:48:10,319 across the street from my home was a 3916 02:48:10,319 --> 02:48:13,279 dense, dense forest of oak, oak trees, 3917 02:48:13,279 --> 02:48:15,920 thick with poison oak and brambles. It 3918 02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:18,080 was the most fabulous playground for a 3919 02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:19,920 little boy. 3920 02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:21,840 And then one day I was walking home from 3921 02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:23,600 South Hillsboro school. I was probably 3922 02:48:23,600 --> 02:48:27,200 in seventh in in second grade. 3923 02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:29,359 and men with chainsaws were there 3924 02:48:29,359 --> 02:48:31,600 cutting down the oak trees. Then they 3925 02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:34,000 brought in bulldozers and they plowed 3926 02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:37,279 the rest the the rest of that lot, very 3927 02:48:37,279 --> 02:48:40,319 large lot, several acres in into dust 3928 02:48:40,319 --> 02:48:43,359 and and built a few houses 3929 02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:45,120 at the time. That was the most traumatic 3930 02:48:45,120 --> 02:48:48,240 thing that ever happened to me. 3931 02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:50,240 A few years later, I became a keen young 3932 02:48:50,240 --> 02:48:52,800 na naturalist and I turned my efforts to 3933 02:48:52,800 --> 02:48:55,040 the area between Black Mountain Road and 3934 02:48:55,040 --> 02:48:57,120 Crystal Springs. 3935 02:48:57,120 --> 02:48:59,200 A few years after that, the bulldozers 3936 02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:00,960 appeared and the chainsaws appeared and 3937 02:49:00,960 --> 02:49:02,479 that became the Tartan Trail 3938 02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:04,319 neighborhood. That was the second great 3939 02:49:04,319 --> 02:49:07,359 trauma of my life. 3940 02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:09,279 As a result of both of those those 3941 02:49:09,279 --> 02:49:10,880 events, I became a professional 3942 02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:12,960 conservationist and have had a long 3943 02:49:12,960 --> 02:49:18,630 career in wildlife biology. 3944 02:49:18,640 --> 02:49:22,160 I'm absolutely gutted to hear that more 3945 02:49:22,160 --> 02:49:23,760 development is planned for that 3946 02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:26,640 neighborhood. So little of Hillsboro has 3947 02:49:26,640 --> 02:49:28,720 any open space left. There is so little 3948 02:49:28,720 --> 02:49:31,680 space left for wildlife. 3949 02:49:31,680 --> 02:49:34,800 Plot lot three 3950 02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:37,279 on Reservoir Road is covered with 3951 02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:40,640 magnificent old Scots pine trees. Lots 3952 02:49:40,640 --> 02:49:42,479 lot one is covered with immense 3953 02:49:42,479 --> 02:49:44,160 eucalyptus. I don't much care for 3954 02:49:44,160 --> 02:49:50,000 eucalyptus, but it's still a beautiful piece of piece of land. And 3955 02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:52,640 here we're talking about destroying yet 3956 02:49:52,640 --> 02:49:54,319 more of what little is left of 3957 02:49:54,319 --> 02:49:57,359 Hillsboro's open space. 3958 02:49:57,359 --> 02:49:59,200 Lastly, 3959 02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:01,040 with the building of more houses up 3960 02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:04,000 there, we'll have years of tremendous 3961 02:50:04,000 --> 02:50:06,080 construction commotion going up and down 3962 02:50:06,080 --> 02:50:09,120 the road. 3963 02:50:09,120 --> 02:50:11,120 Workmen will be tossing their trash 3964 02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:14,240 along the road as they do today. And 3965 02:50:14,240 --> 02:50:16,720 once those houses are built, there will 3966 02:50:16,720 --> 02:50:18,800 be at least double the traffic that's 3967 02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:22,560 already al along that road. 3968 02:50:22,560 --> 02:50:25,200 Nobody cares about the cranky comments 3969 02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:29,120 of a crabby old man. But I will be 3970 02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:32,800 gutted to see that land bulldozed and 3971 02:50:32,800 --> 02:50:35,120 destroyed as so much of our Hillsboro 3972 02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:37,920 has already been destroyed. and I don't 3973 02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:40,479 want the quality of my life severely 3974 02:50:40,479 --> 02:50:42,800 degraded by the traffic and the 3975 02:50:42,800 --> 02:50:44,800 construction commotion and everything 3976 02:50:44,800 --> 02:50:46,800 that goes along with it. 3977 02:50:46,800 --> 02:50:47,680 >> Thank you. 3978 02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:51,200 Mr. Frank. Um any 3979 02:50:51,200 --> 02:50:54,240 um additional comments from the public? 3980 02:50:54,240 --> 02:50:56,560 >> I have no additional speaker cards and 3981 02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:58,720 there are no raised hands on Zoom. Thank 3982 02:50:58,720 --> 02:51:01,040 you. 3983 02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:04,880 >> Okay. Any um comments from the council? 3984 02:51:04,880 --> 02:51:06,560 Yes, council member Council Member 3985 02:51:06,560 --> 02:51:07,760 Crowley. 3986 02:51:07,760 --> 02:51:10,720 >> Yes. Thank you. I believe is 119 3987 02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:12,560 reservoir. Is that our Frank Lloyd 3988 02:51:12,560 --> 02:51:15,279 Wright house? 3989 02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:18,240 Oh, was that your house? Okay. I That's 3990 02:51:18,240 --> 02:51:20,319 a wonderful treasure. Okay. So, now I 3991 02:51:20,319 --> 02:51:23,439 know where you are. Um uh so, Mr. Frank, 3992 02:51:23,439 --> 02:51:27,439 I I do absolutely understand what it is 3993 02:51:27,439 --> 02:51:29,040 that you're saying. And one of the 3994 02:51:29,040 --> 02:51:30,720 things that we struggle with on building 3995 02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:36,560 and planning is um we it is mitigating 3996 02:51:36,560 --> 02:51:39,840 the effects of construction on the 3997 02:51:39,840 --> 02:51:42,800 neighbors because it is it's I 3998 02:51:42,800 --> 02:51:44,720 understand it is upsetting when you see 3999 02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:47,920 trees go. We try very hard and we do 4000 02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:50,399 have ordinances in place that any tree 4001 02:51:50,399 --> 02:51:53,120 that's bigger than uh 18 inches actually 4002 02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:56,399 you need to have a permit to u remove. 4003 02:51:56,399 --> 02:51:58,080 There are some trees that are considered 4004 02:51:58,080 --> 02:52:02,319 nuisances um that are non-native, but we 4005 02:52:02,319 --> 02:52:05,200 um our our building department works 4006 02:52:05,200 --> 02:52:08,000 really really hard with the applicants 4007 02:52:08,000 --> 02:52:10,640 and with the contractors to try and keep 4008 02:52:10,640 --> 02:52:12,880 down the noise, keep down the dust, 4009 02:52:12,880 --> 02:52:16,479 manage the parking, um manage the trash 4010 02:52:16,479 --> 02:52:20,160 certainly, but it is it is difficult. Do 4011 02:52:20,160 --> 02:52:23,439 understand that. 4012 02:52:23,439 --> 02:52:26,319 Um I I will make a few comments if none 4013 02:52:26,319 --> 02:52:28,960 of my colleagues um have a comments at 4014 02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:32,800 this time and I'm sorry Adams. Yes, 4015 02:52:32,800 --> 02:52:35,520 >> we're really not supposed to comment on 4016 02:52:35,520 --> 02:52:39,120 comments, but I have seen deer every 4017 02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:43,359 time I've been up at lot one. And that's 4018 02:52:43,359 --> 02:52:46,240 another problem that we really need to 4019 02:52:46,240 --> 02:52:48,880 address in Hillsboro. How can we 4020 02:52:48,880 --> 02:52:52,399 maintain our integration with wildlife? 4021 02:52:52,399 --> 02:52:55,760 It's what makes us special. So, I 4022 02:52:55,760 --> 02:52:58,960 sympathize completely with how you feel. 4023 02:52:58,960 --> 02:53:01,439 It's going to be hard, but this is 4024 02:53:01,439 --> 02:53:04,479 something that I think has uh we have a 4025 02:53:04,479 --> 02:53:08,640 legal obligation to respect along with 4026 02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:12,720 working on maintaining our wildlife and 4027 02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:15,600 being good stewards of what is a 4028 02:53:15,600 --> 02:53:17,840 resource that we can't reclaim once we 4029 02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:24,389 destroy it. 4030 02:53:24,399 --> 02:53:28,240 Um I have um questions for um Natalie 4031 02:53:28,240 --> 02:53:30,080 with regards to construction and 4032 02:53:30,080 --> 02:53:32,560 traffic. Do we have a program in place 4033 02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:36,240 in terms of how to handle that chaos 4034 02:53:36,240 --> 02:53:37,840 that typically ensues? 4035 02:53:37,840 --> 02:53:40,560 >> Sure. So um as as part of the 4036 02:53:40,560 --> 02:53:42,160 subdivision 4037 02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:44,399 application, not just tonight, but all 4038 02:53:44,399 --> 02:53:46,640 the way through the next those four 4039 02:53:46,640 --> 02:53:48,560 meetings that I mentioned, no 4040 02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:53,279 improvements are being proposed. So, um 4041 02:53:53,279 --> 02:53:56,240 the the houses the homes on lot one and 4042 02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:59,359 three are conceptual only just to show 4043 02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:03,040 that these lots could be buildable. But 4044 02:54:03,040 --> 02:54:05,920 if this property were to be subdivided 4045 02:54:05,920 --> 02:54:08,560 uh the final map were to be approved and 4046 02:54:08,560 --> 02:54:12,160 the property is uh officially subdivided 4047 02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:14,640 then any future property owner or 4048 02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:17,040 developer would have to uh follow the 4049 02:54:17,040 --> 02:54:22,240 town's um uh uh process for building 4050 02:54:22,240 --> 02:54:27,349 permits and getting ADRB. 4051 02:54:27,359 --> 02:54:30,880 And does this road um I I assume it 4052 02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:33,359 spills onto another road and do we have 4053 02:54:33,359 --> 02:54:35,359 a sense as to how it impacts the 4054 02:54:35,359 --> 02:54:37,439 immediate neighborhood, not just Mr. 4055 02:54:37,439 --> 02:54:40,160 Frank's home which is next to it, but 4056 02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:42,800 how do what's the I see there we go. 4057 02:54:42,800 --> 02:54:44,479 >> Yeah, the property is at the end of a 4058 02:54:44,479 --> 02:54:47,680 culde-sac. So there are it'll probably 4059 02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:49,359 mostly impact the across the street 4060 02:54:49,359 --> 02:54:51,520 neighbors and the other residents along 4061 02:54:51,520 --> 02:54:55,200 the road that um 4062 02:54:55,200 --> 02:54:57,439 uh that you'd have to travel on to get 4063 02:54:57,439 --> 02:54:58,640 to the lot. 4064 02:54:58,640 --> 02:55:03,990 >> Mhm. 4065 02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:06,479 And I assume the staff typically 4066 02:55:06,479 --> 02:55:08,399 coordinates between neighbors in terms 4067 02:55:08,399 --> 02:55:10,319 of how to handle some of the issues that 4068 02:55:10,319 --> 02:55:12,240 would come up if now even the 4069 02:55:12,240 --> 02:55:14,319 subdivision will create some traffic. 4070 02:55:14,319 --> 02:55:17,040 But once you do the subdivision then 4071 02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:20,080 obviously building ensues eventually. 4072 02:55:20,080 --> 02:55:21,840 >> Yeah. So the subdivision won't create 4073 02:55:21,840 --> 02:55:24,560 any traffic. It's a paper approval. So, 4074 02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:27,439 there's no no physical improvements or 4075 02:55:27,439 --> 02:55:30,399 changes associated with tonight's um 4076 02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:32,720 agenda item or any future agenda items 4077 02:55:32,720 --> 02:55:36,000 for the subdivision. Um but all four of 4078 02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:38,080 those meetings are publicly noticed to 4079 02:55:38,080 --> 02:55:40,960 neighbors within 500 ft of the property. 4080 02:55:40,960 --> 02:55:45,279 And then of course once if if any of 4081 02:55:45,279 --> 02:55:47,200 those either of the vacant lots are 4082 02:55:47,200 --> 02:55:49,760 developed, then there are typical um 4083 02:55:49,760 --> 02:55:51,840 noticing and neighbor engagement 4084 02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:54,080 processes would take place. 4085 02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:58,880 Okay. Um Mr. Frank, thanks for your comments 4086 02:55:58,880 --> 02:56:01,760 and my thoughts along this line. It's 4087 02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:04,640 always um a challenge for us making sure 4088 02:56:04,640 --> 02:56:07,920 that we continue to do our best to 4089 02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:09,760 preserve the character of the town while 4090 02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:11,760 respecting property rights which are 4091 02:56:11,760 --> 02:56:15,520 often beyond anything we can modify or 4092 02:56:15,520 --> 02:56:17,840 change. um not only state but federal 4093 02:56:17,840 --> 02:56:19,520 laws with regards to property rights. 4094 02:56:19,520 --> 02:56:23,680 And the individual um owns this land and 4095 02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:26,960 if he meets the criteria for subdivision 4096 02:56:26,960 --> 02:56:29,040 um or at least a conceptual plan at this 4097 02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:32,720 stage assuming other criterias are met 4098 02:56:32,720 --> 02:56:36,000 going forward. Um we we're obligated to 4099 02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:38,479 honor that individual's rights because 4100 02:56:38,479 --> 02:56:40,000 we all want to preserve that rights for 4101 02:56:40,000 --> 02:56:42,240 our own properties. 4102 02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:44,640 Um, if you have a specific, if there's a 4103 02:56:44,640 --> 02:56:46,640 specific comment or question that could 4104 02:56:46,640 --> 02:56:51,359 be addressed to the owner or the 4105 02:56:51,359 --> 02:56:52,640 I believe that's the contractor, 4106 02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:53,359 architect, 4107 02:56:53,359 --> 02:56:54,080 >> applicant. Yeah, 4108 02:56:54,080 --> 02:56:56,640 >> the applicant. Sorry, the applicant. Um, 4109 02:56:56,640 --> 02:56:58,720 that that would be this would be a good 4110 02:56:58,720 --> 02:57:00,000 time. We seem to have a little bit of 4111 02:57:00,000 --> 02:57:01,840 time to address that if there's 4112 02:57:01,840 --> 02:57:03,359 something specific from the from the 4113 02:57:03,359 --> 02:57:06,640 public that they would like to submit. 4114 02:57:06,640 --> 02:57:09,910 Okay. 4115 02:57:09,920 --> 02:57:12,800 All right. So, um 4116 02:57:12,800 --> 02:57:16,160 do do you have any 4117 02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:19,040 um I'm speaking to the applicant. Um do 4118 02:57:19,040 --> 02:57:20,960 you have anything specific you would 4119 02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:23,840 like to submit or um share with the 4120 02:57:23,840 --> 02:57:30,389 council or with the community? 4121 02:57:30,399 --> 02:57:34,550 » Yes, Mr. Burner. 4122 02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:37,200 » Yes. Good evening. Um no, I have nothing 4123 02:57:37,200 --> 02:57:40,240 further to add. um understand the public 4124 02:57:40,240 --> 02:57:42,479 comment and that's uh something we do 4125 02:57:42,479 --> 02:57:46,479 run across for many any new construction 4126 02:57:46,479 --> 02:57:50,160 project is being mindful of preserving 4127 02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:52,399 the natural habitat. They are uh some 4128 02:57:52,399 --> 02:57:55,520 beautiful trees and that um both lot one 4129 02:57:55,520 --> 02:57:58,000 and lot three and we would certainly if 4130 02:57:58,000 --> 02:58:00,080 we move forward with doing any sort of 4131 02:58:00,080 --> 02:58:02,880 proposed development um or or houses on 4132 02:58:02,880 --> 02:58:06,800 those lots uh be mindful of that. 4133 02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:09,760 >> Okay. Thank you. All right. I will now 4134 02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:13,040 close um the public comments. And 4135 02:58:13,040 --> 02:58:14,800 >> is there a motion to adopt the 4136 02:58:14,800 --> 02:58:16,560 resolution approving and grading permit 4137 02:58:16,560 --> 02:58:18,080 application for the construction of 4138 02:58:18,080 --> 02:58:20,319 private improvement? I'm sorry. Sorry. 4139 02:58:20,319 --> 02:58:22,160 That's not it. Which one 4140 02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:23,840 is it? Okay. Up here. 4141 02:58:23,840 --> 02:58:25,600 >> Yeah. Mayor Mayor Cole, this is just for 4142 02:58:25,600 --> 02:58:27,279 conceptual review. So, I think staff's 4143 02:58:27,279 --> 02:58:29,040 heard council's comments. Uh this will 4144 02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:30,479 come back to you for eventual approval 4145 02:58:30,479 --> 02:58:32,399 at a future meeting. But I think if 4146 02:58:32,399 --> 02:58:34,240 staff has everything they need, um yes, 4147 02:58:34,240 --> 02:58:36,880 we can next item. I was moving ahead, 4148 02:58:36,880 --> 02:58:38,720 moving too fast. Sorry about that. 4149 02:58:38,720 --> 02:58:47,349 Thanks, Natalie. 4150 02:58:47,359 --> 02:58:51,680 Okay, next item on the agenda is item 17 4151 02:58:51,680 --> 02:58:54,240 and Council Member Trong will recuse 4152 02:58:54,240 --> 02:58:58,950 will be recused. 4153 02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:03,120 And item 17, 4154 02:59:03,120 --> 02:59:05,120 resolution approving the grading permit 4155 02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:07,600 for constructural construction of 4156 02:59:07,600 --> 02:59:10,960 private improvement at 2055 Forest View 4157 02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:14,080 Avenue pursuant to categorical exemption 4158 02:59:14,080 --> 02:59:18,319 and I'll be presented by Natalie Griven. 4159 02:59:18,319 --> 02:59:21,200 >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. Hello again. So 4160 02:59:21,200 --> 02:59:24,560 my last item tonight is the category 3 4161 02:59:24,560 --> 02:59:27,040 for your consideration. The category 3 4162 02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:30,080 grading permit application 2055 forest 4163 02:59:30,080 --> 02:59:33,040 view as you just said. So the property 4164 02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:36,240 is located at the northern area of 4165 02:59:36,240 --> 02:59:39,120 Hillsboro. 4166 02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:42,399 2055 Forest View is between Eucalyptus 4167 02:59:42,399 --> 02:59:47,110 and Oaks Drive. 4168 02:59:47,120 --> 02:59:49,359 The property actually has an approved 4169 02:59:49,359 --> 02:59:52,000 grading permit right now for a new 4170 02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:54,479 single family residence pool and 4171 02:59:54,479 --> 02:59:56,560 associated landscaping. They're 4172 02:59:56,560 --> 02:59:58,800 currently in construction. 4173 02:59:58,800 --> 03:00:02,160 However, um recently the applicants 4174 03:00:02,160 --> 03:00:06,880 submitted a revision to uh install a 4175 03:00:06,880 --> 03:00:10,640 sports court and replace what was going 4176 03:00:10,640 --> 03:00:15,120 to be a deck with a with pavement. and 4177 03:00:15,120 --> 03:00:19,920 the fill associated with both of those 4178 03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:24,399 uh changes exceed 1,500 cubic yards of 4179 03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:26,880 onhaul 4180 03:00:26,880 --> 03:00:31,840 or fill. And so the code requires that 4181 03:00:31,840 --> 03:00:35,040 anytime a project exceeds more than 1500 4182 03:00:35,040 --> 03:00:38,479 cubic yards of onhaul of soil or offhaul 4183 03:00:38,479 --> 03:00:40,880 of soil, city council approval is 4184 03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:44,309 required. 4185 03:00:44,319 --> 03:00:46,560 The gross quantities for the project as 4186 03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:48,560 a whole now 4187 03:00:48,560 --> 03:00:54,000 um are 535 cubic yards of cut, 3,70 4188 03:00:54,000 --> 03:00:57,279 cubic yards of fill, and about 2500 4189 03:00:57,279 --> 03:01:02,630 cubic yards of uh import. 4190 03:01:02,640 --> 03:01:04,160 The 4191 03:01:04,160 --> 03:01:06,240 uh the code requires that the grading 4192 03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:08,399 and hauling hours are from 8:00 a.m. to 4193 03:01:08,399 --> 03:01:11,120 5:00 pm, but the contractor is not 4194 03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:14,160 planning to start until at least 9 uh to 4195 03:01:14,160 --> 03:01:17,279 minimize impacts to traffic. 4196 03:01:17,279 --> 03:01:22,560 The hall route is will need to be um 4197 03:01:22,560 --> 03:01:24,479 along 4198 03:01:24,479 --> 03:01:26,640 excuse me to Oaks to Carmelita to El 4199 03:01:26,640 --> 03:01:28,960 Camino Rial. Typically, they probably 4200 03:01:28,960 --> 03:01:30,640 would have taken just Forest View 4201 03:01:30,640 --> 03:01:32,720 straight to El Camino, but because of 4202 03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:35,200 all the construction on El Camino, the 4203 03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:37,840 turns are just not possible on many of 4204 03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:40,960 the streets. Um, 4205 03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:43,760 and then, uh, the contractor's schedule 4206 03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:46,640 is to complete all the hauling and the 4207 03:01:46,640 --> 03:01:48,640 grading before October 1st, which is 4208 03:01:48,640 --> 03:01:51,920 when our grading moratorum is, major 4209 03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:55,840 grading. Um and then uh the appropriate 4210 03:01:55,840 --> 03:01:58,880 fees to recover staff time and vehicle 4211 03:01:58,880 --> 03:02:01,520 impact fees have been collected 4212 03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:04,399 and public notices were mailed uh in 4213 03:02:04,399 --> 03:02:06,880 accordance with our uh municipal code 4214 03:02:06,880 --> 03:02:09,040 and no public comment has been received 4215 03:02:09,040 --> 03:02:14,070 by staff to date. 4216 03:02:14,080 --> 03:02:16,880 The project has been deemed categor 4217 03:02:16,880 --> 03:02:22,550 categorically exempt from SQUA. 4218 03:02:22,560 --> 03:02:26,560 And with that, my recommendation is to 4219 03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:28,399 open the public hearing, receive 4220 03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:31,120 comments, close the public hearings, and 4221 03:02:31,120 --> 03:02:36,399 then um adopt the grading approve the resolution 4222 03:02:36,399 --> 03:02:38,800 for the grading permit application for 4223 03:02:38,800 --> 03:02:41,279 2055 forest view. 4224 03:02:41,279 --> 03:02:45,600 >> Okay. Um, do we I think we'll have the 4225 03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:47,760 council ask a specific question of you 4226 03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:49,920 if there's any before we ask for public 4227 03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:53,840 comment. Yes. Uh, Council Member Adams. 4228 03:02:53,840 --> 03:02:56,080 >> Um, thank you, Natalie. I know we're 4229 03:02:56,080 --> 03:03:01,040 just approving the uh grading permit. I 4230 03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:02,720 have a question just for my own 4231 03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:05,600 curiosity about the change from a deck 4232 03:03:05,600 --> 03:03:09,040 to a sport court. Is there a permit 4233 03:03:09,040 --> 03:03:12,080 required or noticing to neighbors uh 4234 03:03:12,080 --> 03:03:14,399 when something like that happens? 4235 03:03:14,399 --> 03:03:18,000 >> Yeah. So, so the sorry just to clarify 4236 03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:21,359 the um the sport court is a completely 4237 03:03:21,359 --> 03:03:26,080 new addition and then this deck is in 4238 03:03:26,080 --> 03:03:28,720 between the deck was in between the 4239 03:03:28,720 --> 03:03:31,359 proposed um between the residence and 4240 03:03:31,359 --> 03:03:35,279 the pool and so I don't believe there 4241 03:03:35,279 --> 03:03:38,319 was any uh special noticing specifically 4242 03:03:38,319 --> 03:03:42,160 for the uh yes there was 4243 03:03:42,160 --> 03:03:44,080 as I'm being told by the director of 4244 03:03:44,080 --> 03:03:51,750 building and planning uh 4245 03:03:51,760 --> 03:03:52,160 kind of 4246 03:03:52,160 --> 03:03:56,399 >> okay so that part's done I guess uh so 4247 03:03:56,399 --> 03:03:58,720 uh and I would add that all residents 4248 03:03:58,720 --> 03:04:01,600 within 500 ft were notified and provided 4249 03:04:01,600 --> 03:04:04,560 this uh as part of tonight's 4250 03:04:04,560 --> 03:04:07,040 >> thank you 4251 03:04:07,040 --> 03:04:09,439 >> um do you have a question Christine yes 4252 03:04:09,439 --> 03:04:10,720 council member Crowley 4253 03:04:10,720 --> 03:04:14,640 >> thank you so um 254 four round trip 4254 03:04:14,640 --> 03:04:17,120 truck trips. That's a lot of trips. So, 4255 03:04:17,120 --> 03:04:20,000 my concern though is about the sports 4256 03:04:20,000 --> 03:04:22,479 court. Um, is it going to be pickle 4257 03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:26,000 ball? And if so, um, is it going to 4258 03:04:26,000 --> 03:04:28,479 disturb the neighbors? Um, are the 4259 03:04:28,479 --> 03:04:32,720 applicants nearby or 4260 03:04:32,720 --> 03:04:34,399 uh, I believe yes, there's there's 4261 03:04:34,399 --> 03:04:36,319 members of the applicants team. I think 4262 03:04:36,319 --> 03:04:40,479 we have our the contractor owner and 4263 03:04:40,479 --> 03:04:42,560 civil engineer 4264 03:04:42,560 --> 03:04:45,750 online. 4265 03:04:45,760 --> 03:04:47,200 Do we have the applicant or 4266 03:04:47,200 --> 03:04:48,960 representative online? 4267 03:04:48,960 --> 03:04:50,960 >> And then yeah, Mayor Cole, what I'd 4268 03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:52,640 recommend is I think if council has that 4269 03:04:52,640 --> 03:04:54,319 question and we want to ask it of the 4270 03:04:54,319 --> 03:04:55,840 applicant, we can go ahead and open the 4271 03:04:55,840 --> 03:04:57,120 public hearing with the applicant 4272 03:04:57,120 --> 03:04:59,359 present uh their comments and they can 4273 03:04:59,359 --> 03:05:00,800 answer the question if they so desire 4274 03:05:00,800 --> 03:05:02,160 and then we'll go to general public 4275 03:05:02,160 --> 03:05:03,600 comment and then bring it back to see if 4276 03:05:03,600 --> 03:05:05,279 the applicant wants to rebut any of the 4277 03:05:05,279 --> 03:05:06,479 comments that were made. 4278 03:05:06,479 --> 03:05:08,080 >> Okay. In which case, before we go to the 4279 03:05:08,080 --> 03:05:09,680 public, I would like to ask my 4280 03:05:09,680 --> 03:05:11,200 colleague, Vice Mayor Ragdale, if she 4281 03:05:11,200 --> 03:05:13,760 has any questions of clarification. Uh 4282 03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:15,680 just one question. The the the thing 4283 03:05:15,680 --> 03:05:17,600 that I thought of when I saw this was oh 4284 03:05:17,600 --> 03:05:19,200 no because of the El Camino 4285 03:05:19,200 --> 03:05:20,800 construction. So it sounds like you have 4286 03:05:20,800 --> 03:05:24,640 that in hand. Um I just want to um ask 4287 03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:28,319 if they will be in good touch with uh 4288 03:05:28,319 --> 03:05:30,880 the town because the construction 4289 03:05:30,880 --> 03:05:33,920 changes their schedule sometimes. So 4290 03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:35,359 just wanted to make sure that that would 4291 03:05:35,359 --> 03:05:38,560 be a a fluid conversation. 4292 03:05:38,560 --> 03:05:41,920 Uh sorry with the the El Camino project 4293 03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:42,800 or with the 4294 03:05:42,800 --> 03:05:44,720 >> Yes. the between the El Camino project 4295 03:05:44,720 --> 03:05:46,960 and the contractor who's doing the 4296 03:05:46,960 --> 03:05:47,680 onhauling. 4297 03:05:47,680 --> 03:05:50,800 >> Oh yes. 4298 03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:52,960 If the if we can if we can make sure 4299 03:05:52,960 --> 03:05:56,640 that the contractors if with this uh 4300 03:05:56,640 --> 03:05:59,040 plan is communicated to the El Camino 4301 03:05:59,040 --> 03:06:01,040 Riale project team. I'm sorry if I'm 4302 03:06:01,040 --> 03:06:03,120 misunderstanding. 4303 03:06:03,120 --> 03:06:05,359 >> The opposite. So if there are changes to 4304 03:06:05,359 --> 03:06:09,680 the Elino construction um schedule that 4305 03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:12,000 the contractor is kept uh in 4306 03:06:12,000 --> 03:06:13,680 >> Oh absolutely. Yeah. 4307 03:06:13,680 --> 03:06:15,680 >> Um I can direct them to the the public 4308 03:06:15,680 --> 03:06:17,600 website and also I meet regularly with 4309 03:06:17,600 --> 03:06:19,760 the El Camino team so we can share any 4310 03:06:19,760 --> 03:06:21,359 significant changes. 4311 03:06:21,359 --> 03:06:23,279 >> Perfect. Thank you. 4312 03:06:23,279 --> 03:06:24,960 >> Um thanks for that. Um I think we can 4313 03:06:24,960 --> 03:06:26,960 now go to the applicant if they could 4314 03:06:26,960 --> 03:06:28,800 comment and then we'll go to public 4315 03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:31,680 comment. Do we have the applicant on on 4316 03:06:31,680 --> 03:06:35,520 Zoom? Can I ask you can I ask you is it 4317 03:06:35,520 --> 03:06:37,439 Travis or who 4318 03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:39,120 >> is it Travis is the civil engineer of 4319 03:06:39,120 --> 03:06:42,479 record. I'm not sure if he's uh Okay. So 4320 03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:43,840 maybe if I can ask the applicant to 4321 03:06:43,840 --> 03:06:50,870 raise their hand I can unmute you. 4322 03:06:50,880 --> 03:06:53,439 Not seeing a raised hand. Okay. I have 4323 03:06:53,439 --> 03:06:55,359 >> um I'm not sure of a representative. 4324 03:06:55,359 --> 03:06:56,479 Here's Travis. 4325 03:06:56,479 --> 03:07:00,000 >> Okay. Yeah. Travis looks okay. Um, are 4326 03:07:00,000 --> 03:07:02,560 you the applicant or the Um, 4327 03:07:02,560 --> 03:07:04,479 >> I'm I'm the civil engineer. Can you hear 4328 03:07:04,479 --> 03:07:05,279 me? Okay. 4329 03:07:05,279 --> 03:07:06,399 >> Yes. Uhhuh. 4330 03:07:06,399 --> 03:07:08,160 >> I'm the civil engineer on the project. 4331 03:07:08,160 --> 03:07:10,479 Um, it's it's always been coordinated at 4332 03:07:10,479 --> 03:07:14,720 as sport court um on our plans, but um 4333 03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:16,640 certainly I don't think there's any 4334 03:07:16,640 --> 03:07:18,240 restriction in what you know sport 4335 03:07:18,240 --> 03:07:20,319 activity could be played on on on this 4336 03:07:20,319 --> 03:07:25,110 kind of surface. 4337 03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:26,399 » And we didn't quite understand your 4338 03:07:26,399 --> 03:07:29,359 response regarding the sports court. We 4339 03:07:29,359 --> 03:07:30,720 didn't hear it. It didn't come up 4340 03:07:30,720 --> 03:07:32,479 clearly. Could you just repeat it again, 4341 03:07:32,479 --> 03:07:33,439 please? Of 4342 03:07:33,439 --> 03:07:35,040 >> of course. It's always just been 4343 03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:37,359 coordinated on our plans and and by on 4344 03:07:37,359 --> 03:07:39,279 landscape's plans as a sport court. 4345 03:07:39,279 --> 03:07:41,439 There's been no real mention of it of it 4346 03:07:41,439 --> 03:07:43,359 being like a pickle ball court or what 4347 03:07:43,359 --> 03:07:45,600 specific, you know, sports the the 4348 03:07:45,600 --> 03:07:51,040 applicant is is going to uh use it for. 4349 03:07:51,040 --> 03:07:55,200 >> Unknown at this time. Thank you. 4350 03:07:55,200 --> 03:07:57,840 >> No, no problem. 4351 03:07:57,840 --> 03:08:00,160 any other public comment on this project 4352 03:08:00,160 --> 03:08:04,319 either in chambers or on Zoom? 4353 03:08:04,319 --> 03:08:06,399 >> I don't have any speaker cards uh in 4354 03:08:06,399 --> 03:08:08,399 chambers. I'll give it a moment on Zoom 4355 03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:09,760 if there's anyone who would like to 4356 03:08:09,760 --> 03:08:13,760 provide comment on this item 4357 03:08:13,760 --> 03:08:16,240 and I'm I'm not seeing any raised hands. 4358 03:08:16,240 --> 03:08:18,240 Thank you. 4359 03:08:18,240 --> 03:08:20,240 >> And no additional public comments to be 4360 03:08:20,240 --> 03:08:24,399 shared with the city council. 4361 03:08:24,399 --> 03:08:26,800 Okay, I will close public comments and 4362 03:08:26,800 --> 03:08:32,309 bring it back to the council. Um, 4363 03:08:32,319 --> 03:08:36,240 any comments or discussion points for 4364 03:08:36,240 --> 03:08:38,800 the council? Any council member would 4365 03:08:38,800 --> 03:08:42,319 like to Yes, council member Adams. Uh, I 4366 03:08:42,319 --> 03:08:45,920 want to resurrect a a a comment that was 4367 03:08:45,920 --> 03:08:50,160 made by my colleague, Councilwoman Crow, 4368 03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:52,319 uh, in a similar instance in a different 4369 03:08:52,319 --> 03:08:56,000 property just one month ago, I think, 4370 03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:58,640 uh, maybe two months ago, where a 4371 03:08:58,640 --> 03:09:01,200 project is 4372 03:09:01,200 --> 03:09:04,479 uh, already approved, probably already 4373 03:09:04,479 --> 03:09:08,800 in process, and a a change happens, and 4374 03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:13,040 it triggers a longer construction 4375 03:09:13,040 --> 03:09:16,720 concept for the entire neighborhood. And 4376 03:09:16,720 --> 03:09:21,040 uh I think uh council member Krich had a 4377 03:09:21,040 --> 03:09:23,439 good notion when she brought this up 4378 03:09:23,439 --> 03:09:25,680 that we need to figure out ways to 4379 03:09:25,680 --> 03:09:27,359 discourage this from happening. 4380 03:09:27,359 --> 03:09:30,000 Sometimes when you get into a project 4381 03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:31,920 suddenly it looks completely different 4382 03:09:31,920 --> 03:09:33,359 and you realize you need to make a 4383 03:09:33,359 --> 03:09:36,960 change. But this kind of serial activity 4384 03:09:36,960 --> 03:09:40,560 actually extends the pain for the 4385 03:09:40,560 --> 03:09:45,600 neighborhood and really is not the truly 4386 03:09:45,600 --> 03:09:48,160 uh way we want this to unfold. We want 4387 03:09:48,160 --> 03:09:50,000 professionals to come in having thought 4388 03:09:50,000 --> 03:09:55,760 through what's going to happen. And so I don't actually know what we can do, 4389 03:09:55,760 --> 03:10:00,720 but it does seem like we need to uh 4390 03:10:00,720 --> 03:10:05,279 not add another 200 truck trips to a 4391 03:10:05,279 --> 03:10:11,269 project that's already uh on its way. 4392 03:10:11,279 --> 03:10:15,760 What what concerns me is that we approve 4393 03:10:15,760 --> 03:10:18,960 all of this dis disruption to the 4394 03:10:18,960 --> 03:10:21,040 neighborhood with all these trucks and 4395 03:10:21,040 --> 03:10:22,880 we don't know what this is being used 4396 03:10:22,880 --> 03:10:25,920 for and what the impact of the court is 4397 03:10:25,920 --> 03:10:29,680 on noise for the neighbors and 4398 03:10:29,680 --> 03:10:31,359 so I just feel like I don't have enough 4399 03:10:31,359 --> 03:10:36,309 information. 4400 03:10:36,319 --> 03:10:40,880 Um yeah, you for I think if the um 4401 03:10:40,880 --> 03:10:43,200 applicants or their representative have 4402 03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:44,960 any comments. It looks like Paul is 4403 03:10:44,960 --> 03:10:48,160 walking to the podium perhaps to add to 4404 03:10:48,160 --> 03:10:50,240 this conversation. 4405 03:10:50,240 --> 03:10:53,600 It would be helpful. Thank you. 4406 03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:54,960 >> Hello Madame Mayor, members of the 4407 03:10:54,960 --> 03:10:57,200 council. Natalie's been doing a great 4408 03:10:57,200 --> 03:10:58,702 job by the way. Thank you, Natalie. 4409 03:10:58,702 --> 03:10:59,279 [clears throat] 4410 03:10:59,279 --> 03:11:01,279 >> Um so I just wanted to speak to this a 4411 03:11:01,279 --> 03:11:02,720 couple of the reasons. First of all, 4412 03:11:02,720 --> 03:11:05,680 this is a category three project. So the 4413 03:11:05,680 --> 03:11:07,279 one that was referenced by 4414 03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:08,160 >> What does that mean? 4415 03:11:08,160 --> 03:11:10,160 >> So it's a project where there's more 4416 03:11:10,160 --> 03:11:12,720 than 1500 yards of earth removed or 4417 03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:13,840 moved. 4418 03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:16,080 >> The project that was referenced by our 4419 03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:18,000 commissioner a couple of months ago was 4420 03:11:18,000 --> 03:11:20,720 a category 2 project that didn't meet 4421 03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:26,240 the council threshold. It was started in good faith and then it uh crossed 4422 03:11:26,240 --> 03:11:28,000 over. we had to stop work went through 4423 03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:30,479 code enforcement and had them correctly 4424 03:11:30,479 --> 03:11:33,040 fix those counts which did lead to a 4425 03:11:33,040 --> 03:11:35,840 very long delay. Uh to the credit of the 4426 03:11:35,840 --> 03:11:38,000 applicant and the civil engineer who we 4427 03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:40,319 worked with for many years, they're 4428 03:11:40,319 --> 03:11:42,560 disclosing probably a worst case 4429 03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:45,439 scenario and that's great. I think the 4430 03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:47,040 other reason why it's important for them 4431 03:11:47,040 --> 03:11:49,760 to show everything correctly today is 4432 03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:52,240 because there is a threshold of when the 4433 03:11:52,240 --> 03:11:54,160 project needs to be done, which is 4434 03:11:54,160 --> 03:11:57,120 October 1st for the grading portion. If 4435 03:11:57,120 --> 03:11:58,720 we don't approve it and they don't have 4436 03:11:58,720 --> 03:12:00,560 the time to move all of this material by 4437 03:12:00,560 --> 03:12:02,640 October 1st, that means they're probably 4438 03:12:02,640 --> 03:12:04,960 going to have to wait till next year in 4439 03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:08,640 April when the grading moratorum stops. 4440 03:12:08,640 --> 03:12:10,720 At this time, actually in two weeks, 4441 03:12:10,720 --> 03:12:12,399 we're going to send out notifications to 4442 03:12:12,399 --> 03:12:14,560 all the open projects that are not yet 4443 03:12:14,560 --> 03:12:16,160 completed with grading, telling them 4444 03:12:16,160 --> 03:12:18,000 that they have 30 days to get done, 4445 03:12:18,000 --> 03:12:20,000 otherwise they have to button up. And 4446 03:12:20,000 --> 03:12:22,319 that's because we don't want, uh, 4447 03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:24,080 contractors to be grading during the 4448 03:12:24,080 --> 03:12:25,920 winter. We know this is probably a El 4449 03:12:25,920 --> 03:12:28,479 Nino year. It's very important to us. 4450 03:12:28,479 --> 03:12:31,200 So, um, kudos to the team to try to make 4451 03:12:31,200 --> 03:12:33,040 sure that all of these applicants are 4452 03:12:33,040 --> 03:12:35,040 done timely because then we'll have 4453 03:12:35,040 --> 03:12:36,560 folks saying that they can't work on 4454 03:12:36,560 --> 03:12:38,240 their homes or their projects over the 4455 03:12:38,240 --> 03:12:40,319 winter. So, I just wanted to add that 4456 03:12:40,319 --> 03:12:42,720 point about category 3 in the reference 4457 03:12:42,720 --> 03:12:43,760 to the other projects. 4458 03:12:43,760 --> 03:12:45,920 >> Do do we do a followup somewhere in the 4459 03:12:45,920 --> 03:12:48,000 middle or just to see what kind of 4460 03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:49,840 progress when you're having this this 4461 03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:52,880 amount of grading to potentially prevent 4462 03:12:52,880 --> 03:12:54,000 slope 4463 03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:57,520 >> erosion? uh category 3 projects uh have 4464 03:12:57,520 --> 03:12:59,120 some of the highest engineering fees 4465 03:12:59,120 --> 03:13:00,640 because we have to maintain them and 4466 03:13:00,640 --> 03:13:02,960 watch them on a regular basis. Also, 4467 03:13:02,960 --> 03:13:04,319 when we know that there's going to be 4468 03:13:04,319 --> 03:13:05,920 significant rainfall, usually like half 4469 03:13:05,920 --> 03:13:07,840 an inch, we have these required 4470 03:13:07,840 --> 03:13:09,760 inspections from our inspectors that go 4471 03:13:09,760 --> 03:13:12,960 out with uh forms to check off that 4472 03:13:12,960 --> 03:13:15,120 everything is buttoned up in place 4473 03:13:15,120 --> 03:13:17,920 during the winter. So, there is a lot of 4474 03:13:17,920 --> 03:13:20,640 double checks uh in the system to make 4475 03:13:20,640 --> 03:13:23,279 sure that they fully comply with Mr. 4476 03:13:23,279 --> 03:13:26,560 plans that he's showing here. 4477 03:13:26,560 --> 03:13:28,720 >> Um, yes, Council Member Adams. 4478 03:13:28,720 --> 03:13:32,399 >> Thank you, Paul. And I I do want to uh 4479 03:13:32,399 --> 03:13:34,399 at least make sure I'm clear about what 4480 03:13:34,399 --> 03:13:36,560 I was saying. I'm not actually talking 4481 03:13:36,560 --> 03:13:39,920 about not voting for this. I'm just 4482 03:13:39,920 --> 03:13:42,960 making sure that we have a way of 4483 03:13:42,960 --> 03:13:46,239 talking to applicants that says 4484 03:13:46,239 --> 03:13:48,239 make your decisions 4485 03:13:48,239 --> 03:13:53,920 once and try to keep it to that. Uh, and 4486 03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:57,600 I I would suspect that this decision was 4487 03:13:57,600 --> 03:13:59,600 not made 4488 03:13:59,600 --> 03:14:03,200 uh because of geology or anything that 4489 03:14:03,200 --> 03:14:05,439 changed on the lap. It was someone 4490 03:14:05,439 --> 03:14:07,439 deciding, gee, you know, this would be 4491 03:14:07,439 --> 03:14:10,160 better. So, I understand that we're all 4492 03:14:10,160 --> 03:14:12,880 human, but it would be best if you come 4493 03:14:12,880 --> 03:14:15,040 in with something that's finished in the 4494 03:14:15,040 --> 03:14:17,600 future. This one I think we need to 4495 03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:20,710 approve. 4496 03:14:20,720 --> 03:14:23,279 » Yes. I think it's a Sorry. 4497 03:14:23,279 --> 03:14:24,000 >> Go ahead. Yes. 4498 03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:26,080 >> I think it's important. Is it a sports 4499 03:14:26,080 --> 03:14:27,600 court is usually a basketball court. Is 4500 03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:29,600 it a basketball court or is it a pickle 4501 03:14:29,600 --> 03:14:32,080 ball court? Because I it's not that far 4502 03:14:32,080 --> 03:14:34,640 from the property line and I don't want 4503 03:14:34,640 --> 03:14:36,319 to live with, you know, the next 20 4504 03:14:36,319 --> 03:14:37,920 years hearing from everybody on Jerry 4505 03:14:37,920 --> 03:14:39,359 Lane and Forest View that they're going 4506 03:14:39,359 --> 03:14:41,279 crazy. 4507 03:14:41,279 --> 03:14:43,760 >> Well, um, could building and planning 4508 03:14:43,760 --> 03:14:46,399 comment? Do we have any moratorum or 4509 03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:48,479 restrictions on what kind of courts um 4510 03:14:48,479 --> 03:14:50,160 an individual can have on their 4511 03:14:50,160 --> 03:14:59,510 development? 4512 03:14:59,520 --> 03:15:01,920 » Good evening, council. Uh currently we 4513 03:15:01,920 --> 03:15:04,319 have no restrictions on the use of a 4514 03:15:04,319 --> 03:15:07,120 sport court. Could be used for kickball, 4515 03:15:07,120 --> 03:15:10,160 tennis, playing catch, riding bicycles 4516 03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:13,840 and tricycles. Uh so currently we have 4517 03:15:13,840 --> 03:15:17,520 no no direct no restrictions on the use 4518 03:15:17,520 --> 03:15:19,520 except for lighting uh night night 4519 03:15:19,520 --> 03:15:21,359 lighting or lighting of the court. We do 4520 03:15:21,359 --> 03:15:23,040 have restrictions for that. 4521 03:15:23,040 --> 03:15:26,160 >> There's there have been um outreach from 4522 03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:28,800 the residents regarding the noise um the 4523 03:15:28,800 --> 03:15:31,920 nuisance from um pickle ball. Do we give 4524 03:15:31,920 --> 03:15:34,000 any recommendations? Granted, we can't 4525 03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:35,439 mandate it, but do we make any 4526 03:15:35,439 --> 03:15:37,920 recommendations to developers or 4527 03:15:37,920 --> 03:15:40,800 contractors in terms of building the 4528 03:15:40,800 --> 03:15:42,399 courts? You know, these are things that 4529 03:15:42,399 --> 03:15:44,479 could mitigate some of the noise. 4530 03:15:44,479 --> 03:15:46,000 >> To the best of my knowledge, we've just 4531 03:15:46,000 --> 03:15:48,960 used uh you know, friendly neighbor 4532 03:15:48,960 --> 03:15:51,359 advice uh discussing the issues between 4533 03:15:51,359 --> 03:15:52,880 neighbors because currently, as I 4534 03:15:52,880 --> 03:15:54,880 stated, we don't have a mechanism to 4535 03:15:54,880 --> 03:15:58,399 mandate any change. 4536 03:15:58,399 --> 03:16:00,720 There's one municipality in California 4537 03:16:00,720 --> 03:16:03,520 we could look at this that requires 250 4538 03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:05,359 ft from the center of the court to the 4539 03:16:05,359 --> 03:16:07,439 property line. 4540 03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:09,840 Although we don't we don't have that in 4541 03:16:09,840 --> 03:16:15,030 our ordinance so we can't 4542 03:16:15,040 --> 03:16:16,880 correct. 4543 03:16:16,880 --> 03:16:19,840 Um any additional questions for building 4544 03:16:19,840 --> 03:16:22,640 and planning as well as public works on 4545 03:16:22,640 --> 03:16:27,349 this project? 4546 03:16:27,359 --> 03:16:28,479 » Okay. 4547 03:16:28,479 --> 03:16:29,520 >> Thank you. 4548 03:16:29,520 --> 03:16:32,720 All right. So, do we have a 4549 03:16:32,720 --> 03:16:35,040 motion? I I believe that's all the 4550 03:16:35,040 --> 03:16:37,200 comments from the de. Do we have a 4551 03:16:37,200 --> 03:16:39,120 motion to adopt the resolution approving 4552 03:16:39,120 --> 03:16:40,880 the grading permit application for the 4553 03:16:40,880 --> 03:16:42,960 construction of private improvement 4554 03:16:42,960 --> 03:16:45,520 improvements at 2055 Forest View Avenue 4555 03:16:45,520 --> 03:16:47,680 pursuant to categor categorical 4556 03:16:47,680 --> 03:16:50,160 exemption under SQA guidelines? 4557 03:16:50,160 --> 03:16:51,439 >> So moved. 4558 03:16:51,439 --> 03:16:53,920 >> Do we have a second? 4559 03:16:53,920 --> 03:16:55,439 >> Second. 4560 03:16:55,439 --> 03:16:58,880 >> May we have the roll call the vote? 4561 03:16:58,880 --> 03:17:00,239 >> Thank you. Adams, 4562 03:17:00,239 --> 03:17:01,359 >> yes. 4563 03:17:01,359 --> 03:17:03,520 >> Schwang is recused. Krillic, 4564 03:17:03,520 --> 03:17:05,439 >> no. Ragdale, 4565 03:17:05,439 --> 03:17:06,000 >> yes. 4566 03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:06,960 >> Call, 4567 03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:07,920 >> yes. 4568 03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:12,319 >> Motion carries 31. Thank you. 4569 03:17:12,319 --> 03:17:14,319 >> The next 4570 03:17:14,319 --> 03:17:17,600 Thank you. Oh, we need to get 4571 03:17:17,600 --> 03:17:20,560 we need we need to get a fellow council 4572 03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:23,760 member, Marie Troy. 4573 03:17:23,760 --> 03:17:55,030 We'll wait for her. 4574 03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:57,200 item 18. The next item, resolution 4575 03:17:57,200 --> 03:17:59,760 adopting the town of Hillsboro 2025 4576 03:17:59,760 --> 03:18:01,279 urban water management plan and 4577 03:18:01,279 --> 03:18:03,359 resolution adopting the 2025 water 4578 03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:05,439 shortage contingency plan. And this will 4579 03:18:05,439 --> 03:18:08,319 be presented by all Willis and Ed 4580 03:18:08,319 --> 03:18:09,520 Cooney. 4581 03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:11,200 >> Good evening again. Thank you, Madame 4582 03:18:11,200 --> 03:18:12,800 Mayor, for letting us uh present this 4583 03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:15,279 item. So, this item is something uh that 4584 03:18:15,279 --> 03:18:17,120 comes back to city council every five 4585 03:18:17,120 --> 03:18:19,200 years, and it's a pretty in-depth 4586 03:18:19,200 --> 03:18:21,760 document. Uh I'm here just to say thank 4587 03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:25,200 you all, especially to uh Vice Mayor 4588 03:18:25,200 --> 03:18:28,239 Ragsdale, who sits on the BOSA board and 4589 03:18:28,239 --> 03:18:31,120 also very carefully read this document 4590 03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:32,399 over the weekend. Thank you for your 4591 03:18:32,399 --> 03:18:34,880 comments and and reviewing that. Uh Ed 4592 03:18:34,880 --> 03:18:36,960 and I have reviewed it for a few months 4593 03:18:36,960 --> 03:18:38,960 now and sometimes when you review things 4594 03:18:38,960 --> 03:18:40,640 over and over again it all looks the 4595 03:18:40,640 --> 03:18:42,800 same. So thanks for your fresh eyes. Uh 4596 03:18:42,800 --> 03:18:45,120 my job tonight is to answer questions 4597 03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:50,080 but really introduce uh those that are joining us. So uh we have Tom 4598 03:18:50,080 --> 03:18:52,399 Francis with BOSA who you all know Tom 4599 03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:55,359 is here and also Danielle McFersonson 4600 03:18:55,359 --> 03:18:58,000 with BOSA. uh they're the the group that 4601 03:18:58,000 --> 03:18:59,600 really assists us and all of our other 4602 03:18:59,600 --> 03:19:01,279 member agencies stay in compliance with 4603 03:19:01,279 --> 03:19:03,520 the state as well as our partners at 4604 03:19:03,520 --> 03:19:06,640 SFPU. Uh working on the document for us 4605 03:19:06,640 --> 03:19:10,080 for quite a while is Mr. Cooney. And I 4606 03:19:10,080 --> 03:19:12,960 I'd like to bring that up. He has a a 4607 03:19:12,960 --> 03:19:16,160 pretty in-depth but precise PowerPoint 4608 03:19:16,160 --> 03:19:17,920 uh that he'd like to go over with you to 4609 03:19:17,920 --> 03:19:20,239 explain uh what you're being asked to 4610 03:19:20,239 --> 03:19:21,920 review and approve tonight. So with 4611 03:19:21,920 --> 03:19:26,790 that, Ed. 4612 03:19:26,800 --> 03:19:29,920 Thank you. And good evening, Madame 4613 03:19:29,920 --> 03:19:37,269 Mayor, city council members. 4614 03:19:37,279 --> 03:19:39,120 There it goes. 4615 03:19:39,120 --> 03:19:42,640 So, as uh Paul mentioned, this is an 4616 03:19:42,640 --> 03:19:44,960 urban water management planning document 4617 03:19:44,960 --> 03:19:48,479 that is updated every five years. Um 4618 03:19:48,479 --> 03:19:50,640 when we last looked at our urban water 4619 03:19:50,640 --> 03:19:54,720 management plan thoroughly, the um 4620 03:19:54,720 --> 03:19:56,479 requirements for urban water management 4621 03:19:56,479 --> 03:19:58,239 plans and water shortage contingency 4622 03:19:58,239 --> 03:20:01,200 plans changed significantly. 4623 03:20:01,200 --> 03:20:05,040 Uh during this 2025 cycle uh which we 4624 03:20:05,040 --> 03:20:08,640 are actually completing now uh there 4625 03:20:08,640 --> 03:20:14,239 have been um updates to the department. 4626 03:20:14,239 --> 03:20:15,760 Can everybody hear me? Okay. I feel like 4627 03:20:15,760 --> 03:20:17,040 my voice is coming in and out. 4628 03:20:17,040 --> 03:20:17,439 >> Yes. 4629 03:20:17,439 --> 03:20:20,160 >> Okay, great. Um, there have been updates 4630 03:20:20,160 --> 03:20:23,520 to the 2025 urban water management plan 4631 03:20:23,520 --> 03:20:27,760 guide book from DWR, but fortunately no 4632 03:20:27,760 --> 03:20:30,000 uh significant or substantial changes to 4633 03:20:30,000 --> 03:20:33,279 the actual California water code or the 4634 03:20:33,279 --> 03:20:35,120 urban water management plan 4635 03:20:35,120 --> 03:20:37,279 requirements. 4636 03:20:37,279 --> 03:20:42,399 So, um much of what you uh may see in 4637 03:20:42,399 --> 03:20:46,080 the 2025 urban water management plan is 4638 03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:50,000 similar uh at least in context to the 4639 03:20:50,000 --> 03:20:52,800 2020 plan. And our goal today is to 4640 03:20:52,800 --> 03:20:55,840 point out uh what might be significant 4641 03:20:55,840 --> 03:20:58,800 water planning related changes during 4642 03:20:58,800 --> 03:21:02,550 this presentation. 4643 03:21:02,560 --> 03:21:04,239 So, this five-year water planning 4644 03:21:04,239 --> 03:21:08,160 document uh describes uh things like 4645 03:21:08,160 --> 03:21:12,399 water demand, supply reliability, 4646 03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:15,920 um drought or water shortage management 4647 03:21:15,920 --> 03:21:20,160 uh through 2050. Um it does project out 4648 03:21:20,160 --> 03:21:22,479 that far. 4649 03:21:22,479 --> 03:21:24,239 Now, I've mentioned what is called the 4650 03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:27,279 water shortage contingency plan. That 4651 03:21:27,279 --> 03:21:30,239 plan is uh a standalone 4652 03:21:30,239 --> 03:21:32,239 document. It is part of the urban water 4653 03:21:32,239 --> 03:21:35,200 management plan, but it is an appendices 4654 03:21:35,200 --> 03:21:37,359 to the urban water management plan. It's 4655 03:21:37,359 --> 03:21:40,080 a standalone document so that it can be 4656 03:21:40,080 --> 03:21:42,160 amended without amending the urban water 4657 03:21:42,160 --> 03:21:44,399 management plan and it will ultimately 4658 03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:48,160 be adopted separately from the plan, the 4659 03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:50,479 urban water management plan. And this 4660 03:21:50,479 --> 03:21:53,359 will be a public hearing um for for both 4661 03:21:53,359 --> 03:22:00,229 of those uh documents. 4662 03:22:00,239 --> 03:22:03,359 So, Hillsboro as we mentioned has to um 4663 03:22:03,359 --> 03:22:05,040 update its urban water management plan 4664 03:22:05,040 --> 03:22:07,520 and water source contingency plan. Uh we 4665 03:22:07,520 --> 03:22:11,520 do follow all the guidelines. Um we are 4666 03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:14,720 conducting a duly noticed public hearing 4667 03:22:14,720 --> 03:22:17,840 and assuming both plans are adopted, we 4668 03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:19,279 will submit them to the department of 4669 03:22:19,279 --> 03:22:22,800 water resources, the state library and 4670 03:22:22,800 --> 03:22:26,640 uh interested parties. 4671 03:22:26,640 --> 03:22:28,479 So, how does Hillsboro organize its 4672 03:22:28,479 --> 03:22:30,560 urban water management plan? We follow 4673 03:22:30,560 --> 03:22:32,880 the guideline, the DWR guidelines 4674 03:22:32,880 --> 03:22:36,479 organization. Um, it makes it uh more 4675 03:22:36,479 --> 03:22:39,600 easy to follow um more easy for uh 4676 03:22:39,600 --> 03:22:42,319 easier for uh Department of Water 4677 03:22:42,319 --> 03:22:45,200 Resources to kind of check our work and 4678 03:22:45,200 --> 03:22:48,319 follow our work. Um again, we won't go 4679 03:22:48,319 --> 03:22:51,040 through every uh chapter in our urban 4680 03:22:51,040 --> 03:22:53,439 water management plan, but this is a 4681 03:22:53,439 --> 03:22:55,600 list of those those chapters and the 4682 03:22:55,600 --> 03:23:01,269 general content therein. 4683 03:23:01,279 --> 03:23:02,479 Okay, let's get to the meat and 4684 03:23:02,479 --> 03:23:04,000 potatoes. 4685 03:23:04,000 --> 03:23:10,000 So, uh, Hillsbor, uh, from a normal 4686 03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:15,120 water a year supply, um, perspective is 4687 03:23:15,120 --> 03:23:18,720 doing very well. Um, we have plenty of 4688 03:23:18,720 --> 03:23:22,080 supply to meet our normal what a year 4689 03:23:22,080 --> 03:23:27,120 demands. Um, we have, uh, an ISG of 4690 03:23:27,120 --> 03:23:31,359 4.09 MGD, which is 2 million CCF per 4691 03:23:31,359 --> 03:23:33,279 year. 4692 03:23:33,279 --> 03:23:37,920 uh CCF being uh what a unit 748 gallons. 4693 03:23:37,920 --> 03:23:41,200 Um and you know our demand is is is 4694 03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:44,720 roughly half that. Um 4695 03:23:44,720 --> 03:23:47,279 it's important to note however that our 4696 03:23:47,279 --> 03:23:50,560 current demand is historically low. So 4697 03:23:50,560 --> 03:23:53,680 this graph is a graph of our water use 4698 03:23:53,680 --> 03:23:58,800 overlaid upon um recent droughts. Uh the 4699 03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:02,160 most recent three being the '07 drought, 4700 03:24:02,160 --> 03:24:04,800 the 2013 drought, and the 2020 droughts. 4701 03:24:04,800 --> 03:24:07,120 And as you can see, uh the blue line 4702 03:24:07,120 --> 03:24:11,840 being um our usage, that blue line dives 4703 03:24:11,840 --> 03:24:17,590 pretty pretty precipitously from 2007 4704 03:24:17,600 --> 03:24:22,720 uh 2007 to uh to present. Um 4705 03:24:22,720 --> 03:24:24,800 so typically what you'll see is a 4706 03:24:24,800 --> 03:24:27,040 drought rebound. Um, you can see that 4707 03:24:27,040 --> 03:24:30,800 drought rebound in the 1987 drought 4708 03:24:30,800 --> 03:24:33,840 where water drops and then slowly climbs 4709 03:24:33,840 --> 03:24:36,479 back up. Uh, because of our backtoback 4710 03:24:36,479 --> 03:24:37,840 droughts, we haven't seen a drought 4711 03:24:37,840 --> 03:24:41,040 rebound. Um, you know, the $100,000 4712 03:24:41,040 --> 03:24:43,200 question is, will we see a drought 4713 03:24:43,200 --> 03:24:45,840 rebound? And I don't have a magic ball, 4714 03:24:45,840 --> 03:24:48,560 uh, crystal ball. Um, but we have to, 4715 03:24:48,560 --> 03:24:51,760 uh, we have to work with where we are in 4716 03:24:51,760 --> 03:24:58,309 terms of our water use projections. 4717 03:24:58,319 --> 03:25:00,640 And it's important to note that future 4718 03:25:00,640 --> 03:25:04,080 demand by Hillsbor will be at least 4719 03:25:04,080 --> 03:25:06,880 somewhat dependent upon 4720 03:25:06,880 --> 03:25:09,200 um future weather cycles. Again, if 4721 03:25:09,200 --> 03:25:10,720 there's another drought in the near 4722 03:25:10,720 --> 03:25:13,680 term, one could expect water use would 4723 03:25:13,680 --> 03:25:16,160 continue to be lower. If not, then one 4724 03:25:16,160 --> 03:25:19,040 might expect the water could water use 4725 03:25:19,040 --> 03:25:23,750 could rebound. 4726 03:25:23,760 --> 03:25:25,520 This slide tells you a lot about what 4727 03:25:25,520 --> 03:25:28,239 you already know about Hillsbor. Um, 4728 03:25:28,239 --> 03:25:32,319 stable community, 100% served by the San 4729 03:25:32,319 --> 03:25:37,359 Francisco uh uh water system. Um we have 4730 03:25:37,359 --> 03:25:40,880 about 4,300 service connections and 4731 03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:43,520 we've already talked about the water use 4732 03:25:43,520 --> 03:25:47,600 but you know um speaking to uh future 4733 03:25:47,600 --> 03:25:50,720 projections we would not expect 4734 03:25:50,720 --> 03:25:54,080 development or population increase to be 4735 03:25:54,080 --> 03:25:58,399 this the primary driver or for or um an 4736 03:25:58,399 --> 03:26:01,920 increase in water use. 4737 03:26:01,920 --> 03:26:04,479 Okay. So um we were talking about normal 4738 03:26:04,479 --> 03:26:06,640 water use during normal water years. 4739 03:26:06,640 --> 03:26:10,239 This is um this slide addresses what is 4740 03:26:10,239 --> 03:26:14,800 called dry year reliability. 4741 03:26:14,800 --> 03:26:17,600 So the the takeaway from this slide is 4742 03:26:17,600 --> 03:26:22,239 that um all the information provided um 4743 03:26:22,239 --> 03:26:27,760 by the SFPC and BOSA related to um water 4744 03:26:27,760 --> 03:26:30,319 supply projections 4745 03:26:30,319 --> 03:26:33,840 um during uh a single and multi- dryear 4746 03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:36,880 period um indicates 4747 03:26:36,880 --> 03:26:39,680 uh along with our projected water use 4748 03:26:39,680 --> 03:26:43,200 that over the next five years or so uh 4749 03:26:43,200 --> 03:26:46,479 Hillsburg is in reasonably good shape to 4750 03:26:46,479 --> 03:26:53,439 handle a um a planned drought. Um 4751 03:26:53,439 --> 03:26:56,160 it, you know, the longer the drought 4752 03:26:56,160 --> 03:26:58,640 goes on, the more difficult it becomes, 4753 03:26:58,640 --> 03:27:02,160 of course, but given our best 4754 03:27:02,160 --> 03:27:04,319 understanding, uh we are in a good 4755 03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:08,000 position to um weather a multi-year 4756 03:27:08,000 --> 03:27:14,150 drought in the near term. 4757 03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:17,680 the longer term past 2030 becomes um a 4758 03:27:17,680 --> 03:27:19,439 little more unclear. Uh you all have 4759 03:27:19,439 --> 03:27:22,000 heard about the Bay Delta Plan. I know 4760 03:27:22,000 --> 03:27:25,760 um the Bay Delta Plan in essence 4761 03:27:25,760 --> 03:27:32,319 requires or could require um the uh 4762 03:27:32,319 --> 03:27:36,000 the diversion or the actually the it 4763 03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:38,080 would it would require that certain 4764 03:27:38,080 --> 03:27:41,840 amount of water not be diverted for use 4765 03:27:41,840 --> 03:27:43,359 by 4766 03:27:43,359 --> 03:27:44,880 urban water suppliers including San 4767 03:27:44,880 --> 03:27:48,640 Francisco. Um so 4768 03:27:48,640 --> 03:27:50,479 um 4769 03:27:50,479 --> 03:27:55,279 the Bay Delta plan is uh in litigation. 4770 03:27:55,279 --> 03:27:58,239 Um there is also what's called a 4771 03:27:58,239 --> 03:28:01,279 voluntary agreement negotiations 4772 03:28:01,279 --> 03:28:05,920 and um it is anyone's guess how that is 4773 03:28:05,920 --> 03:28:08,319 going to unfold or when it's going to 4774 03:28:08,319 --> 03:28:11,920 unfold. Um for the next five years we 4775 03:28:11,920 --> 03:28:14,720 seem to be in good shape. Um potentially 4776 03:28:14,720 --> 03:28:17,840 in the 2030 cycle, we may know more 4777 03:28:17,840 --> 03:28:20,160 information and when that urban water 4778 03:28:20,160 --> 03:28:22,880 management plan update comes back to 4779 03:28:22,880 --> 03:28:24,640 city council, there could be more 4780 03:28:24,640 --> 03:28:27,040 information uh related to this. Right 4781 03:28:27,040 --> 03:28:28,880 now, we just don't know. The picture is 4782 03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:34,080 unclear. As Paul mentioned, our experts 4783 03:28:34,080 --> 03:28:35,760 uh are in the room and they can answer 4784 03:28:35,760 --> 03:28:38,239 any questions about uh this, you know, 4785 03:28:38,239 --> 03:28:40,160 bigger regional picture. Hillsboro 4786 03:28:40,160 --> 03:28:43,359 doesn't have any control over it. We um 4787 03:28:43,359 --> 03:28:48,870 can only plan around what we know. 4788 03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:52,399 Oops, and I turned it off. 4789 03:28:52,399 --> 03:28:54,720 Okay. And regarding public review, we 4790 03:28:54,720 --> 03:28:57,279 are following the um the public review 4791 03:28:57,279 --> 03:28:59,840 and adoption process. Uh we have issued 4792 03:28:59,840 --> 03:29:02,239 a 6-day notice. The draft has been 4793 03:29:02,239 --> 03:29:04,720 available on the website. uh newspaper 4794 03:29:04,720 --> 03:29:06,640 notices have gone out and we are 4795 03:29:06,640 --> 03:29:08,800 conducting a public hearing uh this 4796 03:29:08,800 --> 03:29:11,200 evening for both the water shortage 4797 03:29:11,200 --> 03:29:12,720 contingency plan and the urban water 4798 03:29:12,720 --> 03:29:20,550 management plan. 4799 03:29:20,560 --> 03:29:22,479 Uh briefly about the water shortage 4800 03:29:22,479 --> 03:29:24,800 contingency plan. It is a planning 4801 03:29:24,800 --> 03:29:29,680 document um with three sections and I 4802 03:29:29,680 --> 03:29:33,040 want to point out that um the water 4803 03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:37,359 shorts KYC plan is really a um 4804 03:29:37,359 --> 03:29:41,200 a blueprint or it's more of a a game 4805 03:29:41,200 --> 03:29:46,399 plan for water shortage events um that 4806 03:29:46,399 --> 03:29:50,239 are broken up into kind of 10% stages 4807 03:29:50,239 --> 03:29:53,840 that's based on uh DWR requirements And 4808 03:29:53,840 --> 03:30:01,040 um those are um those stages and the 4809 03:30:01,040 --> 03:30:02,720 recommended actions related to the 4810 03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:05,760 stages are um kind of a guideline. Um 4811 03:30:05,760 --> 03:30:08,080 they are what we've used in the past, 4812 03:30:08,080 --> 03:30:11,840 what we found to um potentially work. Um 4813 03:30:11,840 --> 03:30:14,800 but city council can can choose among 4814 03:30:14,800 --> 03:30:17,760 those um at the time at the event uh 4815 03:30:17,760 --> 03:30:20,560 during a water shortage event. 4816 03:30:20,560 --> 03:30:23,359 What's really great is the town has 4817 03:30:23,359 --> 03:30:25,520 compiled a historical record of 4818 03:30:25,520 --> 03:30:27,040 responses 4819 03:30:27,040 --> 03:30:29,200 to all the drought events that you saw 4820 03:30:29,200 --> 03:30:31,760 in that earlier slide. 4821 03:30:31,760 --> 03:30:34,720 Got a lot of history, have a lot of um 4822 03:30:34,720 --> 03:30:36,560 tools in the tool belt that have been 4823 03:30:36,560 --> 03:30:39,359 used to work through um significant 4824 03:30:39,359 --> 03:30:41,920 drought events. So, uh you know, we're 4825 03:30:41,920 --> 03:30:43,680 about as prepared as one could be in 4826 03:30:43,680 --> 03:30:45,680 terms of um what a shorts contingency 4827 03:30:45,680 --> 03:30:48,950 planning. 4828 03:30:48,960 --> 03:30:51,359 And these are the six standard water 4829 03:30:51,359 --> 03:30:58,630 shortage levels that I mentioned. 4830 03:30:58,640 --> 03:31:02,160 Lastly, um, DMM's, demand management 4831 03:31:02,160 --> 03:31:04,720 measures, what we all like to call water 4832 03:31:04,720 --> 03:31:06,239 conservation. I don't know why they have 4833 03:31:06,239 --> 03:31:07,760 to be called demand management measures, 4834 03:31:07,760 --> 03:31:11,439 but they are more words. Um, 4835 03:31:11,439 --> 03:31:14,319 one of our most significant that um, uh, 4836 03:31:14,319 --> 03:31:19,840 the town invested in um, in uh, 20078 4837 03:31:19,840 --> 03:31:24,640 uh, sorry 1718 period was uh, AMI um, 4838 03:31:24,640 --> 03:31:26,800 automated metering infrastructure 4839 03:31:26,800 --> 03:31:29,600 otherwise known as smart meters. Every 4840 03:31:29,600 --> 03:31:32,479 uh, Hillsboro resident has one. This is 4841 03:31:32,479 --> 03:31:34,800 a great tool for water management. It 4842 03:31:34,800 --> 03:31:37,760 turns every resident, every property 4843 03:31:37,760 --> 03:31:40,399 owner into a water manager. You can see, 4844 03:31:40,399 --> 03:31:45,520 one can see what use uh every hour um 4845 03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:48,560 you know what what one's water use was 4846 03:31:48,560 --> 03:31:52,640 uh every hour, daily, weekly, monthly um 4847 03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:56,720 and also receive um alerts, high water 4848 03:31:56,720 --> 03:32:00,000 use, possible leak alerts. It's a great 4849 03:32:00,000 --> 03:32:02,399 water conservation tool in addition to 4850 03:32:02,399 --> 03:32:05,359 the other um conservation tools and 4851 03:32:05,359 --> 03:32:08,080 rebate programs that the town offers its 4852 03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:11,840 residents. Um 4853 03:32:11,840 --> 03:32:14,319 so with that, that covers the majority, 4854 03:32:14,319 --> 03:32:16,960 not all, but a majority of the 4855 03:32:16,960 --> 03:32:19,120 significant portions of the water shorts 4856 03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:20,640 contingency plan and the urban water 4857 03:32:20,640 --> 03:32:22,160 management plan, but can answer 4858 03:32:22,160 --> 03:32:24,960 questions about anything in the plan uh 4859 03:32:24,960 --> 03:32:26,960 that you have before we go into the uh 4860 03:32:26,960 --> 03:32:28,880 public hearing. 4861 03:32:28,880 --> 03:32:31,040 Thank you. Thanks for the presentation. 4862 03:32:31,040 --> 03:32:35,279 Um, any questions from the DES? 4863 03:32:35,279 --> 03:32:38,319 No, Council Member Chwank. 4864 03:32:38,319 --> 03:32:40,000 >> Um, I don't have any questions. Thank 4865 03:32:40,000 --> 03:32:42,720 you Ed uh for the presentation and it is 4866 03:32:42,720 --> 03:32:46,319 really really rewarding to hear that our 4867 03:32:46,319 --> 03:32:48,160 town is prepared in terms of the 4868 03:32:48,160 --> 03:32:51,279 shortage and and the sort of the plans 4869 03:32:51,279 --> 03:32:56,319 to meet the 10% the 20% you know all the 4870 03:32:56,319 --> 03:32:59,040 scenarios all the playbooks that we are 4871 03:32:59,040 --> 03:33:02,239 prepared and I think that is critical uh 4872 03:33:02,239 --> 03:33:05,120 for a town and as on the council we 4873 03:33:05,120 --> 03:33:07,680 applaud you for having those plans and 4874 03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:09,840 have those live through experience that 4875 03:33:09,840 --> 03:33:12,399 we know are really good practices. So, 4876 03:33:12,399 --> 03:33:13,120 thank you. 4877 03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:15,600 >> Thank you. And uh 4878 03:33:15,600 --> 03:33:17,359 public works director has also lived 4879 03:33:17,359 --> 03:33:21,760 through several of these. So, 4880 03:33:21,760 --> 03:33:24,640 we definitely have experience. 4881 03:33:24,640 --> 03:33:26,960 Um we know we we appreciate our public 4882 03:33:26,960 --> 03:33:30,000 work director very much. Um any I will 4883 03:33:30,000 --> 03:33:34,399 ask any public comment at all um on the 4884 03:33:34,399 --> 03:33:36,800 >> Thank you. I'll give it a moment. um on 4885 03:33:36,800 --> 03:33:38,640 Zoom. I don't have any speaker cards, 4886 03:33:38,640 --> 03:33:40,560 but 4887 03:33:40,560 --> 03:33:42,479 I'm not seeing any raised hands. Thank 4888 03:33:42,479 --> 03:33:43,040 you. 4889 03:33:43,040 --> 03:33:44,479 >> Okay, we'll come back to the council. 4890 03:33:44,479 --> 03:33:46,479 Any additional comments from the 4891 03:33:46,479 --> 03:33:47,520 council? 4892 03:33:47,520 --> 03:33:49,600 >> Yes, Vice Mayor Rexdale. 4893 03:33:49,600 --> 03:33:52,640 >> Uh just some comments. Um first of all, 4894 03:33:52,640 --> 03:33:55,840 as I told uh Director Willis, it's so 4895 03:33:55,840 --> 03:33:58,160 exciting to like read these big things 4896 03:33:58,160 --> 03:34:01,040 and and know things already. Um, but I 4897 03:34:01,040 --> 03:34:03,840 really wanted to take to thank uh Tom 4898 03:34:03,840 --> 03:34:06,160 Francis and Danielle McFersonson for 4899 03:34:06,160 --> 03:34:07,840 staying through our meeting and for 4900 03:34:07,840 --> 03:34:10,239 being here to answer questions. Um, but 4901 03:34:10,239 --> 03:34:14,000 also for laying the groundwork for this 4902 03:34:14,000 --> 03:34:16,239 document, both of these documents at 4903 03:34:16,239 --> 03:34:19,359 BOSA and giving us lots of tools that we 4904 03:34:19,359 --> 03:34:22,880 can just plop in. And um, we very much 4905 03:34:22,880 --> 03:34:25,600 appreciate that. And the um, the demand 4906 03:34:25,600 --> 03:34:28,080 study, which I know was very timely to 4907 03:34:28,080 --> 03:34:31,040 get that done. Uh so all of us, all of 4908 03:34:31,040 --> 03:34:33,920 the member agencies could put their um 4909 03:34:33,920 --> 03:34:36,399 water management plans together. So uh 4910 03:34:36,399 --> 03:34:38,960 thank you. As I've said before, Bosa has 4911 03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:42,479 a staff of nine. [laughter] It is you 4912 03:34:42,479 --> 03:34:44,560 would not know it. It's it's incredible 4913 03:34:44,560 --> 03:34:48,399 the quality of the work. Um and um I 4914 03:34:48,399 --> 03:34:51,920 wanted to thank thank you guys um Ed and 4915 03:34:51,920 --> 03:34:55,600 Paul for leading the way with the AMI 4916 03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:58,160 and the various conservation programs, 4917 03:34:58,160 --> 03:35:02,239 subscriptionbased programs and um and 4918 03:35:02,239 --> 03:35:04,479 also for meeting those conservation 4919 03:35:04,479 --> 03:35:06,560 targets that we had back in I think it 4920 03:35:06,560 --> 03:35:08,880 was 2020 which made the report a little 4921 03:35:08,880 --> 03:35:10,560 bit easier. Well, we don't have to do 4922 03:35:10,560 --> 03:35:12,720 that. We did that. We did that. So, um, 4923 03:35:12,720 --> 03:35:14,239 you know, thank you for encouraging the 4924 03:35:14,239 --> 03:35:16,880 residents to, uh, conserve and to take 4925 03:35:16,880 --> 03:35:20,160 part in the programs and the water smart 4926 03:35:20,160 --> 03:35:22,640 program. There's nothing like it. You 4927 03:35:22,640 --> 03:35:24,479 find out there's a leak, you get the 4928 03:35:24,479 --> 03:35:27,920 notification immediately and um, it's 4929 03:35:27,920 --> 03:35:30,080 fantastic. So, I just want to thank you 4930 03:35:30,080 --> 03:35:32,720 for the great work. 4931 03:35:32,720 --> 03:35:35,040 >> Thank you. 4932 03:35:35,040 --> 03:35:36,640 I see no additional comment. 4933 03:35:36,640 --> 03:35:40,399 Do we have a motion? Um, yeah. to adopt 4934 03:35:40,399 --> 03:35:43,359 the resolution. 4935 03:35:43,359 --> 03:35:44,399 >> Well, 4936 03:35:44,399 --> 03:35:45,760 >> oh, I'm sorry. 4937 03:35:45,760 --> 03:35:48,239 >> Uh, I should say that uh it's a um it's 4938 03:35:48,239 --> 03:35:52,000 a public hearing requirement. 4939 03:35:52,000 --> 03:35:53,120 >> We are 4940 03:35:53,120 --> 03:35:55,920 >> we did public hearing. No one 4941 03:35:55,920 --> 03:35:57,439 >> Were there any comments from the public 4942 03:35:57,439 --> 03:35:59,200 that I missed? 4943 03:35:59,200 --> 03:36:01,520 >> No. 4944 03:36:01,520 --> 03:36:01,840 >> Okay. 4945 03:36:01,840 --> 03:36:03,200 >> Thank you. I want to be sure. 4946 03:36:03,200 --> 03:36:04,720 >> Yeah. Well, thanks for the presentation 4947 03:36:04,720 --> 03:36:08,399 again and we will move to um we'll have 4948 03:36:08,399 --> 03:36:11,439 a motion to adopt the resolution. 4949 03:36:11,439 --> 03:36:14,880 >> So move second. 4950 03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:17,760 >> City clerk, may we have the vote? 4951 03:36:17,760 --> 03:36:19,520 >> Thank you. We're confirming we're we're 4952 03:36:19,520 --> 03:36:22,479 adopting both resolutions to um adopt 4953 03:36:22,479 --> 03:36:25,359 the water shortage contingency plan and 4954 03:36:25,359 --> 03:36:27,760 the uh urban water management plan. 4955 03:36:27,760 --> 03:36:28,479 >> Correct. 4956 03:36:28,479 --> 03:36:30,239 >> Thank you. All right. I'll go ahead and 4957 03:36:30,239 --> 03:36:32,399 take the roll call vote. Adams. 4958 03:36:32,399 --> 03:36:33,359 >> Yes. Schwang, 4959 03:36:33,359 --> 03:36:33,760 >> yes. 4960 03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:34,319 >> Crowig, 4961 03:36:34,319 --> 03:36:34,720 >> yes. 4962 03:36:34,720 --> 03:36:35,520 >> Ragdale, 4963 03:36:35,520 --> 03:36:35,920 >> yes. 4964 03:36:35,920 --> 03:36:36,479 >> Paul, 4965 03:36:36,479 --> 03:36:37,120 >> yes. 4966 03:36:37,120 --> 03:36:41,190 >> Thank you. 4967 03:36:41,200 --> 03:36:44,800 » Um, the next item on the agenda, I 4968 03:36:44,800 --> 03:36:46,319 chuckle because this is always our 4969 03:36:46,319 --> 03:36:48,640 favorite. Item 19, designating a voting 4970 03:36:48,640 --> 03:36:50,560 delegate, an alternate voting delegate 4971 03:36:50,560 --> 03:36:53,439 till 2026, League of California City's 4972 03:36:53,439 --> 03:36:55,359 annual conference and expo September 4973 03:36:55,359 --> 03:36:58,960 23rd to 25th, 2026. 4974 03:36:58,960 --> 03:37:00,800 And yes, 4975 03:37:00,800 --> 03:37:02,239 >> we'll make this we'll make this quick. 4976 03:37:02,239 --> 03:37:05,840 So um at the uh conference uh in 4977 03:37:05,840 --> 03:37:08,080 September there is the uh general 4978 03:37:08,080 --> 03:37:10,800 assembly meeting on the last day. Uh so 4979 03:37:10,800 --> 03:37:12,399 there will be three of you there on the 4980 03:37:12,399 --> 03:37:14,640 last day in the morning at 8:30. Um 4981 03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:17,200 council member Schwang, uh Mayor Cole 4982 03:37:17,200 --> 03:37:19,760 and Council Member Kwick. Um as of 4983 03:37:19,760 --> 03:37:21,359 today, we actually just got the packet 4984 03:37:21,359 --> 03:37:22,720 as I was sitting here. There is one 4985 03:37:22,720 --> 03:37:25,439 resolution for consideration of vote. Um 4986 03:37:25,439 --> 03:37:27,600 so I can send out that packet. Um, but 4987 03:37:27,600 --> 03:37:29,359 we just need to designate a voting 4988 03:37:29,359 --> 03:37:31,760 delegate and then if you'd like up to 4989 03:37:31,760 --> 03:37:35,279 two up to two alternate voting delegates 4990 03:37:35,279 --> 03:37:37,680 by motion and I need to submit that to 4991 03:37:37,680 --> 03:37:41,200 Cal Cities um for uh it has to take 4992 03:37:41,200 --> 03:37:44,720 place by a by a motion and vote. So, 4993 03:37:44,720 --> 03:37:49,600 >> okay. Um, I intend to be there as uh the 4994 03:37:49,600 --> 03:37:51,920 dele one of the delegates and 4995 03:37:51,920 --> 03:37:53,120 >> council member Cru. 4996 03:37:53,120 --> 03:37:55,520 >> I'm happy to be the alternate because I 4997 03:37:55,520 --> 03:37:57,279 do not believe my colleague would like 4998 03:37:57,279 --> 03:37:59,120 to. [laughter] 4999 03:37:59,120 --> 03:38:00,640 >> This is great. We actually have more 5000 03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:04,640 volunteers than usual. Um, so do we I 5001 03:38:04,640 --> 03:38:06,720 don't see any um do we have any public 5002 03:38:06,720 --> 03:38:09,840 comments on this issue? 5003 03:38:09,840 --> 03:38:10,319 >> None. 5004 03:38:10,319 --> 03:38:11,520 >> I don't believe there's any public 5005 03:38:11,520 --> 03:38:13,600 comment. I'm not seeing any. Okay. 5006 03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:15,359 >> Do we have a motion to 5007 03:38:15,359 --> 03:38:16,399 >> move? 5008 03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:17,920 >> Approve. 5009 03:38:17,920 --> 03:38:19,279 >> And do we have 5010 03:38:19,279 --> 03:38:22,560 >> We do have a second. And those in favor? 5011 03:38:22,560 --> 03:38:23,920 >> Looks like Does it look like we have 5012 03:38:23,920 --> 03:38:26,479 Mayor Coen as the delegate and then 5013 03:38:26,479 --> 03:38:28,560 Council Member Krollic as the alternate? 5014 03:38:28,560 --> 03:38:29,279 All right. Thank you. 5015 03:38:29,279 --> 03:38:30,000 >> Correct. 5016 03:38:30,000 --> 03:38:32,160 >> Okay. All those in favor? 5017 03:38:32,160 --> 03:38:35,120 >> I I 5018 03:38:35,120 --> 03:38:37,680 >> All right. Motion carries. Thank you. 5019 03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:40,479 >> Unanimous vote. Um, next item 20. um 5020 03:38:40,479 --> 03:38:43,200 discussion to establish a nonprofit or 5021 03:38:43,200 --> 03:38:45,279 other program to accept and distribute 5022 03:38:45,279 --> 03:38:47,200 donation funds and this will be 5023 03:38:47,200 --> 03:38:49,120 presented by assistant city manager 5024 03:38:49,120 --> 03:38:51,040 Mandy Brown. 5025 03:38:51,040 --> 03:38:54,560 >> Thank you, Mayor Cole. Um this is a 5026 03:38:54,560 --> 03:38:56,640 offshoot from council goal setting 5027 03:38:56,640 --> 03:38:57,840 discussions that we talked about in 5028 03:38:57,840 --> 03:39:00,239 February as well as from our long-term 5029 03:39:00,239 --> 03:39:02,800 funding um discussions more recently. 5030 03:39:02,800 --> 03:39:04,800 And so I'm here tonight to present a 5031 03:39:04,800 --> 03:39:06,640 menu of options including the 5032 03:39:06,640 --> 03:39:08,720 establishment of a nonprofit, a couple 5033 03:39:08,720 --> 03:39:10,399 of different avenues we could go with 5034 03:39:10,399 --> 03:39:12,080 that um as well as some other 5035 03:39:12,080 --> 03:39:14,160 alternatives as sort of interim measures 5036 03:39:14,160 --> 03:39:18,399 for council consideration and direction. 5037 03:39:18,399 --> 03:39:20,479 Um the discussion at the goal setting 5038 03:39:20,479 --> 03:39:22,399 was really focused around the formation 5039 03:39:22,399 --> 03:39:25,520 of a nonprofit to establish funding 5040 03:39:25,520 --> 03:39:27,600 mechanisms to support various town 5041 03:39:27,600 --> 03:39:29,279 projects. Some of that were were 5042 03:39:29,279 --> 03:39:31,040 mentioned were Memorial Day parade, 40 5043 03:39:31,040 --> 03:39:33,200 Baywood and and other capital projects 5044 03:39:33,200 --> 03:39:36,239 the town is facing. 5045 03:39:36,239 --> 03:39:38,000 Currently, the town accepts donations 5046 03:39:38,000 --> 03:39:40,239 and provides a taxexempt letter to the 5047 03:39:40,239 --> 03:39:43,040 donors. Um the town of Athetherton has 5048 03:39:43,040 --> 03:39:44,640 been brought up a few times and so this 5049 03:39:44,640 --> 03:39:46,080 is the exact same approach that's 5050 03:39:46,080 --> 03:39:48,080 employed by the town of Athetherton for 5051 03:39:48,080 --> 03:39:49,920 their town hall fundraising efforts. 5052 03:39:49,920 --> 03:39:52,080 There is a little bit more to that story 5053 03:39:52,080 --> 03:39:54,479 which I'll cover in a second. Um but 5054 03:39:54,479 --> 03:39:56,800 just to clarify that we we do have an 5055 03:39:56,800 --> 03:40:00,399 established process that works um for 5056 03:40:00,399 --> 03:40:02,720 most cases right now to accept 5057 03:40:02,720 --> 03:40:05,750 donations. 5058 03:40:05,760 --> 03:40:07,520 They'll outline these sort of three 5059 03:40:07,520 --> 03:40:09,680 options and really the difference is the 5060 03:40:09,680 --> 03:40:11,840 level of control that the council wants 5061 03:40:11,840 --> 03:40:14,160 to have and the level of specificity 5062 03:40:14,160 --> 03:40:16,479 around what those funds are used for or 5063 03:40:16,479 --> 03:40:18,479 earmarked for and then the level of 5064 03:40:18,479 --> 03:40:20,880 resources required really related to 5065 03:40:20,880 --> 03:40:23,439 staff time. Some funding um especially 5066 03:40:23,439 --> 03:40:24,880 when we're talking about the taxexempt 5067 03:40:24,880 --> 03:40:27,920 nonprofit um and then some sort of lower 5068 03:40:27,920 --> 03:40:32,239 cost options in terms of uh the amount 5069 03:40:32,239 --> 03:40:34,960 of time that it takes. um but that could 5070 03:40:34,960 --> 03:40:37,200 add some clarity around our current 5071 03:40:37,200 --> 03:40:39,600 processes. 5072 03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:41,600 So, this is the most complicated one and 5073 03:40:41,600 --> 03:40:44,399 the staff report was very long, so thank 5074 03:40:44,399 --> 03:40:45,760 you for for getting through it, but I 5075 03:40:45,760 --> 03:40:46,640 just wanted to make sure that we 5076 03:40:46,640 --> 03:40:49,439 outlined all of the options and all the 5077 03:40:49,439 --> 03:40:51,840 considerations. And so, I'm not going to 5078 03:40:51,840 --> 03:40:54,560 read necessarily all of this, but uh 5079 03:40:54,560 --> 03:40:56,160 really the process for it is you 5080 03:40:56,160 --> 03:40:57,840 establish the purpose. What is the 5081 03:40:57,840 --> 03:41:01,760 nonprofit going to be in support of? Is 5082 03:41:01,760 --> 03:41:04,399 it going to be specific to 40 Baywood 5083 03:41:04,399 --> 03:41:06,720 for example? Um or is it going to serve 5084 03:41:06,720 --> 03:41:08,399 a multitude of interests? And so what 5085 03:41:08,399 --> 03:41:10,880 does that purpose statement look like? 5086 03:41:10,880 --> 03:41:13,520 Um the filing of the paperwork. Uh so 5087 03:41:13,520 --> 03:41:15,200 name of incorporation, articles of 5088 03:41:15,200 --> 03:41:17,520 incorporation, organization, bylaws, and 5089 03:41:17,520 --> 03:41:20,399 then the board of directors. So this is 5090 03:41:20,399 --> 03:41:22,560 uh where it gets a there's a little bit 5091 03:41:22,560 --> 03:41:24,640 more for you to to think and give us 5092 03:41:24,640 --> 03:41:27,840 direction on is if it's under the 5093 03:41:27,840 --> 03:41:30,479 umbrella of the town and members of the 5094 03:41:30,479 --> 03:41:33,120 council. some or all are serving as the 5095 03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:35,520 governing board, then it becomes like a 5096 03:41:35,520 --> 03:41:38,479 Brown Act commit, Brown Act uh body. And 5097 03:41:38,479 --> 03:41:40,319 so that will require the posting 5098 03:41:40,319 --> 03:41:42,160 requirements, noticing open to the 5099 03:41:42,160 --> 03:41:44,479 public. It's just a li little bit more 5100 03:41:44,479 --> 03:41:46,560 labor intensive, but it does allow you 5101 03:41:46,560 --> 03:41:49,359 to retain that level of control. Um, and 5102 03:41:49,359 --> 03:41:51,279 so that's again just a trade-off that I 5103 03:41:51,279 --> 03:41:55,200 wanted to flag for your consideration. 5104 03:41:55,200 --> 03:41:58,000 Um the are taxexempt donations and so 5105 03:41:58,000 --> 03:41:59,520 that can be very attractive to people 5106 03:41:59,520 --> 03:42:01,840 that are uh making these donations. And 5107 03:42:01,840 --> 03:42:03,600 then there's the annual tax filing and 5108 03:42:03,600 --> 03:42:06,080 reporting requirements. This would be a 5109 03:42:06,080 --> 03:42:08,080 lift from town staff whether it's city 5110 03:42:08,080 --> 03:42:09,840 manager's office in consultation with 5111 03:42:09,840 --> 03:42:12,160 finance and city attorney's office. 5112 03:42:12,160 --> 03:42:14,080 There is some upfront costs to the 5113 03:42:14,080 --> 03:42:16,560 establishment of a nonprofit. Um and so 5114 03:42:16,560 --> 03:42:18,800 again, those are just uh we've we've 5115 03:42:18,800 --> 03:42:21,040 heard sort of informal quotes. I didn't 5116 03:42:21,040 --> 03:42:23,279 put them in the staff report. Um, some 5117 03:42:23,279 --> 03:42:26,239 cities had uh estimated around $10,000 5118 03:42:26,239 --> 03:42:28,960 for that initial filing. Um, but don't 5119 03:42:28,960 --> 03:42:30,800 quote me on that. I I it's just what 5120 03:42:30,800 --> 03:42:32,720 other cities said. I have we don't 5121 03:42:32,720 --> 03:42:34,720 exactly know what that initial startup 5122 03:42:34,720 --> 03:42:36,800 costs or what the staff time necessarily 5123 03:42:36,800 --> 03:42:39,439 would be involved. Um, we just wanted to 5124 03:42:39,439 --> 03:42:42,960 flag that for consideration. 5125 03:42:42,960 --> 03:42:45,359 So, uh, advantage obviously greater 5126 03:42:45,359 --> 03:42:47,920 flexibility, generational of goodwill 5127 03:42:47,920 --> 03:42:49,279 from the community members. are probably 5128 03:42:49,279 --> 03:42:51,520 more likely to donate to a nonprofit 5129 03:42:51,520 --> 03:42:54,160 rather than a government entity. Um, but 5130 03:42:54,160 --> 03:42:55,600 there obviously are some disadvantages 5131 03:42:55,600 --> 03:42:57,600 that I've already pointed out, the 5132 03:42:57,600 --> 03:42:59,600 incorporation, uh, corporate 5133 03:42:59,600 --> 03:43:02,319 formalities, the Brown Act adherence, 5134 03:43:02,319 --> 03:43:04,080 um, in the staff time that goes into 5135 03:43:04,080 --> 03:43:06,160 that. Um, and then another comment that 5136 03:43:06,160 --> 03:43:07,760 we'd heard was competition with other 5137 03:43:07,760 --> 03:43:09,359 nonprofits in the community for 5138 03:43:09,359 --> 03:43:11,120 fundraising. So making sure that 5139 03:43:11,120 --> 03:43:12,960 whatever the purpose statement ends up 5140 03:43:12,960 --> 03:43:14,479 being, which we don't need to 5141 03:43:14,479 --> 03:43:16,880 necessarily discuss this evening, um but 5142 03:43:16,880 --> 03:43:19,760 just making sure that that is thought uh 5143 03:43:19,760 --> 03:43:21,680 out so it doesn't compete with existing 5144 03:43:21,680 --> 03:43:25,359 nonprofits in town. 5145 03:43:25,359 --> 03:43:26,880 So going back to the Athetherton 5146 03:43:26,880 --> 03:43:29,680 example, so the town of Athetherton did 5147 03:43:29,680 --> 03:43:32,640 accept donations as a government entity 5148 03:43:32,640 --> 03:43:35,840 uh for their civic center. There was 5149 03:43:35,840 --> 03:43:38,720 also a third-party nonprofit that formed 5150 03:43:38,720 --> 03:43:40,640 called Athetherton. Now, this was formed 5151 03:43:40,640 --> 03:43:42,960 by residents. Um, and they really just 5152 03:43:42,960 --> 03:43:46,239 existed for this brief period of time to 5153 03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:48,319 do the fundraising for this capital 5154 03:43:48,319 --> 03:43:50,720 project and then they ceased to exist. 5155 03:43:50,720 --> 03:43:52,720 Um, so they didn't have to adhere to any 5156 03:43:52,720 --> 03:43:53,920 of the Brown Act because it was 5157 03:43:53,920 --> 03:43:55,520 completely separate. They did all of 5158 03:43:55,520 --> 03:43:57,840 their own filings and fundraising and 5159 03:43:57,840 --> 03:43:59,439 they were able to really sort of control 5160 03:43:59,439 --> 03:44:01,359 that purpose statement. This is an 5161 03:44:01,359 --> 03:44:03,760 example of one that's very narrow in 5162 03:44:03,760 --> 03:44:06,880 scope and obviously in term of it its 5163 03:44:06,880 --> 03:44:10,080 life because it no longer exists. 5164 03:44:10,080 --> 03:44:12,160 Another example are sort of the typical 5165 03:44:12,160 --> 03:44:15,279 friends of model. Um and so this is one 5166 03:44:15,279 --> 03:44:17,199 uh that that I was familiar with. It's 5167 03:44:17,199 --> 03:44:19,760 again another third-party nonprofit but 5168 03:44:19,760 --> 03:44:22,239 they their purpose is to exist to fund 5169 03:44:22,239 --> 03:44:25,600 raise for city projects specifically. uh 5170 03:44:25,600 --> 03:44:28,560 while their purpose is to support all 5171 03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:31,120 parks and programming and activities, 5172 03:44:31,120 --> 03:44:34,239 they also fundra for specific projects. 5173 03:44:34,239 --> 03:44:36,720 And so they have um on their website 5174 03:44:36,720 --> 03:44:39,120 something for general fund programming. 5175 03:44:39,120 --> 03:44:40,880 They also have one specifically for dog 5176 03:44:40,880 --> 03:44:43,680 park, skate park, track and field. And 5177 03:44:43,680 --> 03:44:46,720 so they have um specific uh carveouts 5178 03:44:46,720 --> 03:44:48,720 that people can donate to. So this is a 5179 03:44:48,720 --> 03:44:51,120 another option sort of in comparison to 5180 03:44:51,120 --> 03:44:52,880 the Athetherton model where it can be 5181 03:44:52,880 --> 03:44:55,439 broader but also have specificity for 5182 03:44:55,439 --> 03:44:58,000 specific projects. And so I just wanted 5183 03:44:58,000 --> 03:45:02,790 to share this as another alternative. 5184 03:45:02,800 --> 03:45:05,040 Uh the other options are a little bit 5185 03:45:05,040 --> 03:45:08,080 simpler. We do have a policy uh on 5186 03:45:08,080 --> 03:45:10,239 memorial and donation policy and this is 5187 03:45:10,239 --> 03:45:14,000 really related to fixtures like benches. 5188 03:45:14,000 --> 03:45:17,439 Um, and so what we could do is we could 5189 03:45:17,439 --> 03:45:20,080 amend that policy to add some 5190 03:45:20,080 --> 03:45:22,560 specificity for how we would receive 5191 03:45:22,560 --> 03:45:26,720 those uh funds that are donated um and 5192 03:45:26,720 --> 03:45:28,640 establish any sort of guidelines. So we 5193 03:45:28,640 --> 03:45:31,120 could amend this existing policy is one 5194 03:45:31,120 --> 03:45:33,840 option. 5195 03:45:33,840 --> 03:45:35,439 Obviously, it's very low barrier to 5196 03:45:35,439 --> 03:45:38,080 entry to amend a policy, but it doesn't 5197 03:45:38,080 --> 03:45:41,040 address the concern um that people may 5198 03:45:41,040 --> 03:45:42,960 be more likely to donate to a nonprofit 5199 03:45:42,960 --> 03:45:44,479 entity rather than a governmental 5200 03:45:44,479 --> 03:45:46,960 entity. 5201 03:45:46,960 --> 03:45:48,960 kind of similar. This could be a 5202 03:45:48,960 --> 03:45:51,600 separate not necess not necessar 5203 03:45:51,600 --> 03:45:53,760 necessarily a policy. It could just be 5204 03:45:53,760 --> 03:45:56,880 guidelines that the town staff uses um 5205 03:45:56,880 --> 03:45:58,479 based on council direction to just 5206 03:45:58,479 --> 03:46:00,399 define the process and accountability 5207 03:46:00,399 --> 03:46:05,680 measures, transparency protocols, how requests are submitted just to so 5208 03:46:05,680 --> 03:46:07,680 that we have something in writing for 5209 03:46:07,680 --> 03:46:13,990 how those donations can or will be used. 5210 03:46:14,000 --> 03:46:17,120 So, it's more of a staff process. So I 5211 03:46:17,120 --> 03:46:19,120 it was more about level of control and 5212 03:46:19,120 --> 03:46:21,520 the involvement that the city council um 5213 03:46:21,520 --> 03:46:24,080 wants to have in this u this would again 5214 03:46:24,080 --> 03:46:26,399 be just a very uh easy thing to 5215 03:46:26,399 --> 03:46:29,040 implement but to allow that more clarity 5216 03:46:29,040 --> 03:46:32,319 on the process. 5217 03:46:32,319 --> 03:46:34,319 This is just a summary slide of the sort 5218 03:46:34,319 --> 03:46:36,720 of highlevel advantages or disadvantage 5219 03:46:36,720 --> 03:46:39,040 for when you have your discussion. Um 5220 03:46:39,040 --> 03:46:40,800 and I know I went over that very quickly 5221 03:46:40,800 --> 03:46:42,640 but um there's a lot more in the staff 5222 03:46:42,640 --> 03:46:44,319 report. So, I'm happy to answer any 5223 03:46:44,319 --> 03:46:46,399 questions or expand on any of the 5224 03:46:46,399 --> 03:46:49,439 points. Thank you. 5225 03:46:49,439 --> 03:46:52,479 >> Thank you. Um, 5226 03:46:52,479 --> 03:46:54,560 any questions? Any additional questions 5227 03:46:54,560 --> 03:46:58,479 to assistant city manager on this? Yes, 5228 03:46:58,479 --> 03:47:00,080 council member Trunk. 5229 03:47:00,080 --> 03:47:02,160 >> And thank you, Mandy, for u your 5230 03:47:02,160 --> 03:47:05,439 presentation. Um help me understand that 5231 03:47:05,439 --> 03:47:09,439 uh in terms of all three uh options um 5232 03:47:09,439 --> 03:47:13,110 in terms of 5233 03:47:13,120 --> 03:47:16,720 uh residents um interest or inclination 5234 03:47:16,720 --> 03:47:21,199 to um to donate. I I think that you 5235 03:47:21,199 --> 03:47:23,920 earlier on uh option one that is a 5236 03:47:23,920 --> 03:47:26,720 nonprofit is appealing to the residents 5237 03:47:26,720 --> 03:47:30,239 when they um donate to a nonprofit 5238 03:47:30,239 --> 03:47:34,479 versus the other two is the u is the 5239 03:47:34,479 --> 03:47:37,840 government agency. Is that correct? 5240 03:47:37,840 --> 03:47:40,160 that that's sort of an informal 5241 03:47:40,160 --> 03:47:45,600 anecdotal um point, but we also may just 5242 03:47:45,600 --> 03:47:48,160 need more awareness that the town can 5243 03:47:48,160 --> 03:47:50,640 accept tax exempt donations in most 5244 03:47:50,640 --> 03:47:54,000 cases. Um so it could be an education 5245 03:47:54,000 --> 03:47:56,560 thing, but I also think optically people 5246 03:47:56,560 --> 03:47:59,040 tend tend to be more likely to donate to 5247 03:47:59,040 --> 03:48:00,560 a nonprofit rather than a government 5248 03:48:00,560 --> 03:48:02,479 agency. But if we had something like 5249 03:48:02,479 --> 03:48:05,040 donor guidelines or a policy on specific 5250 03:48:05,040 --> 03:48:07,520 projects for example. So we said this is 5251 03:48:07,520 --> 03:48:10,960 how you donate to support the town's 5252 03:48:10,960 --> 03:48:14,000 40 baywood for example. Um maybe that 5253 03:48:14,000 --> 03:48:16,960 would fill that sort of gap um that 5254 03:48:16,960 --> 03:48:18,640 there is in the current 5255 03:48:18,640 --> 03:48:20,239 >> right and and I think that what I'm 5256 03:48:20,239 --> 03:48:22,319 trying to understand is that I I see 5257 03:48:22,319 --> 03:48:25,120 that um there are now government 5258 03:48:25,120 --> 03:48:28,000 agencies considering nonprofit or the 5259 03:48:28,000 --> 03:48:32,319 501c3 as as an options to fund raise 5260 03:48:32,319 --> 03:48:34,720 sort of allow that flexibility of that. 5261 03:48:34,720 --> 03:48:36,319 But by the same token, I think that 5262 03:48:36,319 --> 03:48:38,640 we're um as you mentioned in the 5263 03:48:38,640 --> 03:48:41,680 presentation, there's a conflicting uh 5264 03:48:41,680 --> 03:48:44,239 interest in terms of people wanting to 5265 03:48:44,239 --> 03:48:47,439 support a project and 5266 03:48:47,439 --> 03:48:49,680 the entity at the end of the day is 5267 03:48:49,680 --> 03:48:51,520 still the government agency. So all 5268 03:48:51,520 --> 03:48:56,800 three the options um the the entity is 5269 03:48:56,800 --> 03:48:59,199 applying or donating to a government 5270 03:48:59,199 --> 03:49:02,239 agency. Um albeit the project may be 5271 03:49:02,239 --> 03:49:05,040 different and maybe there is a finite in 5272 03:49:05,040 --> 03:49:07,680 terms of the pro the scope of the 5273 03:49:07,680 --> 03:49:12,000 project or the continuity of the 501c3 5274 03:49:12,000 --> 03:49:15,359 is is that um there there are more 5275 03:49:15,359 --> 03:49:17,920 flexibility in terms of the various 5276 03:49:17,920 --> 03:49:20,960 project that now uh we're able to cover. 5277 03:49:20,960 --> 03:49:22,560 Is that is that correct? 5278 03:49:22,560 --> 03:49:24,000 >> Yes. And that's why I also kind of 5279 03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:28,239 covered the like option A one uh where 5280 03:49:28,239 --> 03:49:29,120 there's [clears throat] a separate 5281 03:49:29,120 --> 03:49:32,479 nonprofit establishing itself and doing 5282 03:49:32,479 --> 03:49:34,399 all of its governance documents because 5283 03:49:34,399 --> 03:49:36,640 that could still support the town and 5284 03:49:36,640 --> 03:49:39,359 the town projects. Um but it wouldn't be 5285 03:49:39,359 --> 03:49:42,000 subject to all of the sort of red tape 5286 03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:44,640 that comes along with a municipality 5287 03:49:44,640 --> 03:49:49,600 establishing the nonprofit itself. So, for option A, you're saying that 5288 03:49:49,600 --> 03:49:53,680 there is a subset of if it's a u it's 5289 03:49:53,680 --> 03:49:57,760 run by the the citizen rather by the our 5290 03:49:57,760 --> 03:49:59,439 um government. Is that what you're 5291 03:49:59,439 --> 03:50:00,000 saying? 5292 03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:01,840 >> Yes. It wouldn't necessarily be town 5293 03:50:01,840 --> 03:50:04,560 staff completing the paperwork. It would 5294 03:50:04,560 --> 03:50:06,560 take That's why it's not really up there 5295 03:50:06,560 --> 03:50:08,319 as an option because I don't we don't as 5296 03:50:08,319 --> 03:50:09,760 town staff don't have control over 5297 03:50:09,760 --> 03:50:11,279 whether or not someone wants to form a 5298 03:50:11,279 --> 03:50:14,399 nonprofit. But it is another way to 5299 03:50:14,399 --> 03:50:17,359 serve a similar purpose as if there was 5300 03:50:17,359 --> 03:50:20,239 a a separate nonprofit uh away from the 5301 03:50:20,239 --> 03:50:20,800 town. 5302 03:50:20,800 --> 03:50:23,439 >> I see. Thank you. 5303 03:50:23,439 --> 03:50:26,479 >> Yes, Council Member Adams. 5304 03:50:26,479 --> 03:50:30,640 >> Uh I have a lot of experience with this 5305 03:50:30,640 --> 03:50:35,680 and uh I feel that I have some questions 5306 03:50:35,680 --> 03:50:38,080 first before. So we're doing questions 5307 03:50:38,080 --> 03:50:39,359 or comments? Both. 5308 03:50:39,359 --> 03:50:40,399 >> Um both. 5309 03:50:40,399 --> 03:50:43,439 >> Okay. Question number one, have we 5310 03:50:43,439 --> 03:50:47,750 received any donations? 5311 03:50:47,760 --> 03:50:50,720 » Yes, we have. I don't have the data on 5312 03:50:50,720 --> 03:50:53,120 how much, but we have received donations 5313 03:50:53,120 --> 03:50:54,880 directly to the town in the past. 5314 03:50:54,880 --> 03:50:57,920 >> And I'm sorry, you said in the past. Are 5315 03:50:57,920 --> 03:51:00,399 you asking specifically now or 5316 03:51:00,399 --> 03:51:02,399 >> in the as a town? 5317 03:51:02,399 --> 03:51:04,080 >> Yes, in the past. Okay. Yeah. 5318 03:51:04,080 --> 03:51:06,319 >> Yeah. I just don't know how much we've 5319 03:51:06,319 --> 03:51:07,279 gotten in 5320 03:51:07,279 --> 03:51:10,640 >> through the through the parade. we've been sort of the conduit for our 5321 03:51:10,640 --> 03:51:12,640 donations. That's just an example. 5322 03:51:12,640 --> 03:51:14,800 >> So, the parade's a good example because 5323 03:51:14,800 --> 03:51:17,840 we actually have a group that solicits 5324 03:51:17,840 --> 03:51:20,960 those donations. And would we as a town 5325 03:51:20,960 --> 03:51:24,880 be prohibited from soliciting donations 5326 03:51:24,880 --> 03:51:28,560 even forget as option A or B, but as 5327 03:51:28,560 --> 03:51:32,000 option C. uh we can make the guidelines 5328 03:51:32,000 --> 03:51:35,120 known, but can we also say and currently 5329 03:51:35,120 --> 03:51:42,229 we're looking for support for X? 5330 03:51:42,239 --> 03:51:44,560 No, thank you for the question. Um yeah, 5331 03:51:44,560 --> 03:51:46,560 you you council members definitely can 5332 03:51:46,560 --> 03:51:48,000 go out there and try to encourage people 5333 03:51:48,000 --> 03:51:50,640 to make donations. Um the only uh legal 5334 03:51:50,640 --> 03:51:52,399 issue that exists out there and it would 5335 03:51:52,399 --> 03:51:54,319 have to be individually a council member 5336 03:51:54,319 --> 03:51:56,239 saying something and then getting a 5337 03:51:56,239 --> 03:51:57,920 promise that someone's going to donate. 5338 03:51:57,920 --> 03:51:59,840 It wouldn't just be I think the entire 5339 03:51:59,840 --> 03:52:01,199 council if you were going out there in 5340 03:52:01,199 --> 03:52:02,479 the community and saying please donate 5341 03:52:02,479 --> 03:52:04,640 to this project um I don't think this 5342 03:52:04,640 --> 03:52:06,239 rule would kick in but we can look at a 5343 03:52:06,239 --> 03:52:07,920 little closer but under the uh fair 5344 03:52:07,920 --> 03:52:09,760 political practices commission 5345 03:52:09,760 --> 03:52:11,199 regulations there's something called 5346 03:52:11,199 --> 03:52:13,600 beested contributions so anytime you as 5347 03:52:13,600 --> 03:52:16,399 a council member um get donations either 5348 03:52:16,399 --> 03:52:18,960 to a nonprofit of your choice um or to 5349 03:52:18,960 --> 03:52:21,840 the government agency and it's $5,000 or 5350 03:52:21,840 --> 03:52:24,080 more from a single source, you are 5351 03:52:24,080 --> 03:52:25,760 required to report that and it's just a 5352 03:52:25,760 --> 03:52:26,960 disclosure requirement. it doesn't 5353 03:52:26,960 --> 03:52:28,720 create a conflict of interest for you. 5354 03:52:28,720 --> 03:52:30,720 It's really just getting word out there 5355 03:52:30,720 --> 03:52:32,399 that there's donations being made 5356 03:52:32,399 --> 03:52:34,080 because you're as a council member, 5357 03:52:34,080 --> 03:52:35,359 you're making the request and that's 5358 03:52:35,359 --> 03:52:37,520 really the only legal issue that exists. 5359 03:52:37,520 --> 03:52:39,120 But definitely council members could go 5360 03:52:39,120 --> 03:52:40,479 out there and say, "Please donate to 5361 03:52:40,479 --> 03:52:42,239 this project. We really need your 5362 03:52:42,239 --> 03:52:42,960 support." 5363 03:52:42,960 --> 03:52:45,120 >> And I'll just just add on to that that 5364 03:52:45,120 --> 03:52:47,279 Athetherton did send out like a mailing 5365 03:52:47,279 --> 03:52:48,880 and saying if you'd like to support the 5366 03:52:48,880 --> 03:52:51,520 town center project, you can donate to 5367 03:52:51,520 --> 03:52:53,920 these two options. And so they kind of 5368 03:52:53,920 --> 03:52:56,479 plugged both the separate nonprofit as 5369 03:52:56,479 --> 03:52:58,720 well as donating directly to the town. I 5370 03:52:58,720 --> 03:53:00,399 don't know if I assume they're a city 5371 03:53:00,399 --> 03:53:02,080 attorney. It was cleared with them. Um 5372 03:53:02,080 --> 03:53:04,319 but also friends of uh groups like 5373 03:53:04,319 --> 03:53:05,840 friends of the powto parks. I know they 5374 03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:07,439 advertise in the recreation guide for 5375 03:53:07,439 --> 03:53:09,520 example. So they do solicit donations 5376 03:53:09,520 --> 03:53:13,581 >> and we could in our uh e month or weekly 5377 03:53:13,581 --> 03:53:16,160 [snorts] e newswsletter 5378 03:53:16,160 --> 03:53:18,080 remind people that this is an 5379 03:53:18,080 --> 03:53:20,720 opportunity to give etc. So we don't 5380 03:53:20,720 --> 03:53:23,359 we're not procl precluded from doing 5381 03:53:23,359 --> 03:53:26,800 that as a town. 5382 03:53:26,800 --> 03:53:27,920 >> That is correct. 5383 03:53:27,920 --> 03:53:31,279 >> Okay, great. Well, here's what I would 5384 03:53:31,279 --> 03:53:32,960 really recommend is 5385 03:53:32,960 --> 03:53:34,560 >> we can get comments from everyone first 5386 03:53:34,560 --> 03:53:35,920 before we make recommendations. 5387 03:53:35,920 --> 03:53:36,800 >> Okay. 5388 03:53:36,800 --> 03:53:38,800 >> Um any additional comments from anyone 5389 03:53:38,800 --> 03:53:40,720 else regarding the options that are 5390 03:53:40,720 --> 03:53:41,920 submitted and then we'll have a 5391 03:53:41,920 --> 03:53:43,120 discussion. 5392 03:53:43,120 --> 03:53:44,239 >> I had two questions. 5393 03:53:44,239 --> 03:53:46,080 >> Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Which one? The 5394 03:53:46,080 --> 03:53:49,120 first question is just um a logistics 5395 03:53:49,120 --> 03:53:51,520 question which is if someone made a 5396 03:53:51,520 --> 03:53:54,640 donation uh for a particular purpose 5397 03:53:54,640 --> 03:53:58,720 like the um police station or town hall 5398 03:53:58,720 --> 03:54:01,199 or even Memorial Day. I know I know I've 5399 03:54:01,199 --> 03:54:02,960 written that check for the past couple 5400 03:54:02,960 --> 03:54:06,160 years. Um not a big check. Um how is 5401 03:54:06,160 --> 03:54:09,750 that tracked? 5402 03:54:09,760 --> 03:54:12,000 » Um I believe finance tracks it. So when 5403 03:54:12,000 --> 03:54:13,600 they do the parade for example, they 5404 03:54:13,600 --> 03:54:15,760 have a separate 5405 03:54:15,760 --> 03:54:17,680 whatever the right financial term is. 5406 03:54:17,680 --> 03:54:18,720 It's bucket. 5407 03:54:18,720 --> 03:54:20,239 >> Okay. 5408 03:54:20,239 --> 03:54:23,199 >> Liability account for to make sure that 5409 03:54:23,199 --> 03:54:26,000 those funds aren't comingled in any way. 5410 03:54:26,000 --> 03:54:28,640 >> Okay. Great. Um and then the the next 5411 03:54:28,640 --> 03:54:32,560 question I had is with regard to um 40 5412 03:54:32,560 --> 03:54:35,760 Baywood in particular. Um, if if that 5413 03:54:35,760 --> 03:54:40,319 works out, if we were to um, you know, 5414 03:54:40,319 --> 03:54:43,840 rent it out for a wedding, uh, does that 5415 03:54:43,840 --> 03:54:46,640 mean we can't be a nonprofit or can we 5416 03:54:46,640 --> 03:54:50,399 still be a nonprofit because we're not 5417 03:54:50,399 --> 03:54:52,160 technically profiting? The money go 5418 03:54:52,160 --> 03:54:57,910 would go back into 40 Baywood. 5419 03:54:57,920 --> 03:55:00,080 It can certainly raise revenue as a 5420 03:55:00,080 --> 03:55:04,000 nonprofit and we just um 5421 03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:08,399 it would just not have to sort of um 5422 03:55:08,399 --> 03:55:10,560 make a substantial amount of profit. So 5423 03:55:10,560 --> 03:55:11,920 it would have to be on how the purpose 5424 03:55:11,920 --> 03:55:13,439 of the organization also it's narrowed 5425 03:55:13,439 --> 03:55:15,040 to 40 Baywood or if it's something 5426 03:55:15,040 --> 03:55:17,359 greater. Um but I don't think that that 5427 03:55:17,359 --> 03:55:19,920 necessarily would preclude it from being 5428 03:55:19,920 --> 03:55:21,680 from a nonprofit status. 5429 03:55:21,680 --> 03:55:26,160 >> Okay. Thank you. A and as uh the 5430 03:55:26,160 --> 03:55:30,880 nonprofit, they would have to issue a 5431 03:55:30,880 --> 03:55:35,199 receipt for that donation with the 5432 03:55:35,199 --> 03:55:37,840 amount that the person who gave the 5433 03:55:37,840 --> 03:55:42,880 donation benefited from that. So that it 5434 03:55:42,880 --> 03:55:46,960 is only above that amount that is a tax 5435 03:55:46,960 --> 03:55:50,640 deduction. So, this isn't if you were 5436 03:55:50,640 --> 03:55:52,880 renting it, it wouldn't be someone 5437 03:55:52,880 --> 03:55:54,399 saying, "Gee, I'm going to give a 5438 03:55:54,399 --> 03:55:58,000 donation and throw my party." That That 5439 03:55:58,000 --> 03:55:59,520 is not legal. 5440 03:55:59,520 --> 03:56:01,439 >> Yeah. I I wasn't thinking of it as a 5441 03:56:01,439 --> 03:56:03,920 donation at all. I was thinking it as an 5442 03:56:03,920 --> 03:56:07,600 opportunity for the um property to get 5443 03:56:07,600 --> 03:56:09,120 some revenue, but yeah, I wasn't 5444 03:56:09,120 --> 03:56:10,880 thinking in terms of a donation. They if 5445 03:56:10,880 --> 03:56:12,239 they want to donate on top of their 5446 03:56:12,239 --> 03:56:15,279 wedding, that's great. But thank you. 5447 03:56:15,279 --> 03:56:17,920 >> Um yes, Council Member Krillic. So, just 5448 03:56:17,920 --> 03:56:20,960 a couple things. Um, I don't think, and 5449 03:56:20,960 --> 03:56:22,399 this is putting the cart before the 5450 03:56:22,399 --> 03:56:25,680 horse, but that the 501c3 would be in 5451 03:56:25,680 --> 03:56:27,359 charge of renting the property. I mean, 5452 03:56:27,359 --> 03:56:29,279 that would be something separate. The 5453 03:56:29,279 --> 03:56:30,800 501c3 5454 03:56:30,800 --> 03:56:32,880 if it was if we established it through 5455 03:56:32,880 --> 03:56:36,000 the town, could help to support the 5456 03:56:36,000 --> 03:56:37,600 property when it needs something, but it 5457 03:56:37,600 --> 03:56:39,439 doesn't mean that that would that the 5458 03:56:39,439 --> 03:56:42,000 501c3 would be running the property. 5459 03:56:42,000 --> 03:56:44,080 That could that could be two separate 5460 03:56:44,080 --> 03:56:46,720 things. Um, and then the other thing I 5461 03:56:46,720 --> 03:56:49,680 just wanted to say about the parade is 5462 03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:51,279 this is how it all started with 5463 03:56:51,279 --> 03:56:53,199 fundraising for the parade is we missed 5464 03:56:53,199 --> 03:56:56,399 out on at least one significant donation 5465 03:56:56,399 --> 03:56:59,279 because without a 501c3 number, we 5466 03:56:59,279 --> 03:57:02,319 couldn't accept a donation from a DAFF. 5467 03:57:02,319 --> 03:57:05,120 So, um, so we missed out on a couple of 5468 03:57:05,120 --> 03:57:07,279 those and just laying the groundwork for 5469 03:57:07,279 --> 03:57:10,319 what I think is going to be, um, 5470 03:57:10,319 --> 03:57:12,160 community outreach for what we want to 5471 03:57:12,160 --> 03:57:15,359 do here at town hall. it seems that this 5472 03:57:15,359 --> 03:57:17,600 could be an advantage. 5473 03:57:17,600 --> 03:57:21,120 >> Um I I'm still not clear on all these 5474 03:57:21,120 --> 03:57:24,479 options, but sort of um an overview as 5475 03:57:24,479 --> 03:57:28,319 to what I would prefer, which is or at 5476 03:57:28,319 --> 03:57:30,640 least like to see in terms of questions 5477 03:57:30,640 --> 03:57:32,479 and clarification, 5478 03:57:32,479 --> 03:57:36,560 which of these options keeps the um 5479 03:57:36,560 --> 03:57:38,560 governing body at the center of the 5480 03:57:38,560 --> 03:57:40,720 decisions? Because what I'm trying to 5481 03:57:40,720 --> 03:57:43,520 sort out in my head is how do we prevent 5482 03:57:43,520 --> 03:57:46,720 individuals within the council or within 5483 03:57:46,720 --> 03:57:48,720 the staff from making promises to 5484 03:57:48,720 --> 03:57:52,720 entities about donations and and perhaps 5485 03:57:52,720 --> 03:57:54,479 you don't have oversight as to some of 5486 03:57:54,479 --> 03:57:57,199 those conversations and decisions? How 5487 03:57:57,199 --> 03:57:59,279 do we prevent ourselves from stumbling 5488 03:57:59,279 --> 03:58:01,439 into conflict of interest and 5489 03:58:01,439 --> 03:58:04,720 potentially misuse of funds? which one 5490 03:58:04,720 --> 03:58:06,800 keeps the 5491 03:58:06,800 --> 03:58:10,000 greatest um legal authority in the 5492 03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:14,960 council as a body to make that decision. 5493 03:58:14,960 --> 03:58:16,800 >> I would say probably option A, but 5494 03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:19,199 really at the core of it, all three 5495 03:58:19,199 --> 03:58:21,120 should address that option. It's just on 5496 03:58:21,120 --> 03:58:24,319 varying levels of degree of um continued 5497 03:58:24,319 --> 03:58:25,040 oversight. 5498 03:58:25,040 --> 03:58:25,920 >> Yeah. You know what I didn't like about 5499 03:58:25,920 --> 03:58:28,080 option A was it really takes away a lot 5500 03:58:28,080 --> 03:58:31,359 of oversight from the council and and I 5501 03:58:31,359 --> 03:58:33,439 really think the council needs to be at 5502 03:58:33,439 --> 03:58:34,960 the center of this. I mean in other 5503 03:58:34,960 --> 03:58:39,120 words both the financial um proceeds 5504 03:58:39,120 --> 03:58:41,520 need to come back and reviewed with the 5505 03:58:41,520 --> 03:58:43,439 council such that the entire community 5506 03:58:43,439 --> 03:58:45,840 is aware as to how much money is being 5507 03:58:45,840 --> 03:58:47,840 don donated and how the money is being 5508 03:58:47,840 --> 03:58:50,479 spent and also there has to be some 5509 03:58:50,479 --> 03:58:53,359 legal process as to how we solicit you 5510 03:58:53,359 --> 03:58:55,439 know clearly if we can establish public 5511 03:58:55,439 --> 03:58:58,479 ways of doing it such that it's above we 5512 03:58:58,479 --> 03:59:00,080 what we don't want is an individual to 5513 03:59:00,080 --> 03:59:02,960 say to one of our council members I'm 5514 03:59:02,960 --> 03:59:06,479 ready to make a donation If you do 5515 03:59:06,479 --> 03:59:08,319 this without it coming to the council, 5516 03:59:08,319 --> 03:59:09,760 the entire community needs to know 5517 03:59:09,760 --> 03:59:11,600 that's a conversation. It's being had. 5518 03:59:11,600 --> 03:59:13,279 Yes, council member Adams. 5519 03:59:13,279 --> 03:59:15,840 >> I I think that's really at the heart of 5520 03:59:15,840 --> 03:59:20,399 my problem with this. Um the board of 5521 03:59:20,399 --> 03:59:22,479 directors of the nonprofit is 5522 03:59:22,479 --> 03:59:25,439 responsible for those decisions, not the 5523 03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:29,920 council. And they need to 5524 03:59:29,920 --> 03:59:31,840 it it's very hard for a nonprofit 5525 03:59:31,840 --> 03:59:33,760 because it's hard to establish one. It's 5526 03:59:33,760 --> 03:59:37,520 hard to run one. Your 990 dictates 5527 03:59:37,520 --> 03:59:41,199 exactly what you can raise money for. 5528 03:59:41,199 --> 03:59:44,479 And if you expand it too broadly, you 5529 03:59:44,479 --> 03:59:48,080 won't get your 501c3. 5530 03:59:48,080 --> 03:59:51,040 Uh the process is complicated and it 5531 03:59:51,040 --> 03:59:53,680 continues to be complicated. But my fear 5532 03:59:53,680 --> 03:59:56,640 is it's it's awfully hard once you've 5533 03:59:56,640 --> 03:59:59,600 done that not to want to keep going. And 5534 03:59:59,600 --> 04:00:01,120 so if someone comes to you with a 5535 04:00:01,120 --> 04:00:03,840 donation and they say they're the only 5536 04:00:03,840 --> 04:00:07,760 ones who who want to buy new shoes for 5537 04:00:07,760 --> 04:00:10,399 the police department every year or 5538 04:00:10,399 --> 04:00:12,880 whatever they want to do that isn't on 5539 04:00:12,880 --> 04:00:16,720 the agenda of the town. It's really hard 5540 04:00:16,720 --> 04:00:22,319 for the the nonprofit to say no. And I 5541 04:00:22,319 --> 04:00:25,920 just feel we ought to give option C the 5542 04:00:25,920 --> 04:00:30,319 biggest chance of success because I 5543 04:00:30,319 --> 04:00:32,720 don't think we have explained this now. 5544 04:00:32,720 --> 04:00:34,479 It's not going to work for donor advised 5545 04:00:34,479 --> 04:00:37,199 funds because donor advised funds are 5546 04:00:37,199 --> 04:00:39,600 actually money that you've given to an 5547 04:00:39,600 --> 04:00:43,600 entity to invest only 5548 04:00:43,600 --> 04:00:49,040 in nonprofits. So I think what I'd like 5549 04:00:49,040 --> 04:00:52,560 to see us try is to use option C which 5550 04:00:52,560 --> 04:00:55,040 we already have in place doesn't cost 5551 04:00:55,040 --> 04:00:57,359 option B that we have in place 5552 04:00:57,359 --> 04:00:58,800 >> no C 5553 04:00:58,800 --> 04:01:00,560 >> and and 5554 04:01:00,560 --> 04:01:05,279 really try a campaign of sorts and see 5555 04:01:05,279 --> 04:01:07,920 what happens that way we have not 5556 04:01:07,920 --> 04:01:11,760 inserted a board of directors a 501c3 5557 04:01:11,760 --> 04:01:15,279 a lot of work and actually a lot of 5558 04:01:15,279 --> 04:01:19,439 paperwork. Uh, and we can exactly see 5559 04:01:19,439 --> 04:01:23,680 how much this limits what we might be 5560 04:01:23,680 --> 04:01:27,600 doing uh, first because I, as I said, I 5561 04:01:27,600 --> 04:01:30,560 didn't even know we could do this and I 5562 04:01:30,560 --> 04:01:33,680 didn't know how much we had received and 5563 04:01:33,680 --> 04:01:36,080 it doesn't have to wait for 40 Baywood 5564 04:01:36,080 --> 04:01:38,399 to come together. We could try it on 5565 04:01:38,399 --> 04:01:40,239 some other project. 5566 04:01:40,239 --> 04:01:43,279 >> Yeah. Council member Crowley. Yes. I 5567 04:01:43,279 --> 04:01:46,399 believe one of the options is that the 5568 04:01:46,399 --> 04:01:49,760 council is the board of directors 5569 04:01:49,760 --> 04:01:53,657 >> and I think we have enough on our plate 5570 04:01:53,657 --> 04:01:56,720 [laughter] already to not take that on 5571 04:01:56,720 --> 04:02:00,000 without at least trying to exercise what 5572 04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:03,359 we already have in place. 5573 04:02:03,359 --> 04:02:06,560 >> Um um let me just ask a quick question. 5574 04:02:06,560 --> 04:02:09,840 Option C, does the staff report to the 5575 04:02:09,840 --> 04:02:12,960 council in terms of what the entity is 5576 04:02:12,960 --> 04:02:13,439 doing? 5577 04:02:13,439 --> 04:02:14,640 >> That that's what I was going to say 5578 04:02:14,640 --> 04:02:17,359 actually was that we don't have those 5579 04:02:17,359 --> 04:02:19,439 processes sort of written down. Staff 5580 04:02:19,439 --> 04:02:20,880 does follow a certain process. We could 5581 04:02:20,880 --> 04:02:22,160 write it down and we could make it 5582 04:02:22,160 --> 04:02:24,239 whatever the council desires. We could 5583 04:02:24,239 --> 04:02:26,239 have regular reporting or council 5584 04:02:26,239 --> 04:02:28,479 accepts a donation. We could make that 5585 04:02:28,479 --> 04:02:31,199 whatever you desire. 5586 04:02:31,199 --> 04:02:33,439 >> Okay. Go ahead. Yes, council member 5587 04:02:33,439 --> 04:02:34,239 Chong. 5588 04:02:34,239 --> 04:02:37,040 >> Thank you. Um so a couple questions that 5589 04:02:37,040 --> 04:02:40,640 I I I thought of is that um currently on 5590 04:02:40,640 --> 04:02:42,560 the presentations you have mentioned 5591 04:02:42,560 --> 04:02:45,199 about the 40 bay words you mentioned 5592 04:02:45,199 --> 04:02:47,760 about the memorial day parade um and 5593 04:02:47,760 --> 04:02:51,120 then there is the option B where current 5594 04:02:51,120 --> 04:02:53,680 policy allow us to have receive some 5595 04:02:53,680 --> 04:02:56,800 kind of donation such as some artwork or 5596 04:02:56,800 --> 04:02:59,199 whatnot you know I mean so there there 5597 04:02:59,199 --> 04:03:02,399 are opportunity to do that but in if you 5598 04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:04,399 look at them they're not they're Apple 5599 04:03:04,399 --> 04:03:05,920 oranges there are different 5600 04:03:05,920 --> 04:03:07,680 functionality there are different 5601 04:03:07,680 --> 04:03:10,319 purpose and so for the Memorial Day 5602 04:03:10,319 --> 04:03:12,000 parade perhaps that is a straight 5603 04:03:12,000 --> 04:03:14,880 donations to support events and that is 5604 04:03:14,880 --> 04:03:18,000 finite and that is something that in 5605 04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:21,920 that um dollar amount that is manageable 5606 04:03:21,920 --> 04:03:24,239 um in terms of working on that whereas 5607 04:03:24,239 --> 04:03:27,680 the 40 bay was um in terms of the 5608 04:03:27,680 --> 04:03:29,840 maintenance work and all these other 5609 04:03:29,840 --> 04:03:33,439 stuff that the the funding or even you 5610 04:03:33,439 --> 04:03:35,199 know our capital improvements for the 5611 04:03:35,199 --> 04:03:37,520 town hall or for that matters. It is 5612 04:03:37,520 --> 04:03:40,319 much more engaging and so there's a fine 5613 04:03:40,319 --> 04:03:42,399 line of 5614 04:03:42,399 --> 04:03:46,239 the residents donating it or a building 5615 04:03:46,239 --> 04:03:49,439 versus whether [clears throat] how it 5616 04:03:49,439 --> 04:03:51,120 just events. I think that there are 5617 04:03:51,120 --> 04:03:54,720 differences. My main question is what is 5618 04:03:54,720 --> 04:03:58,239 the staff time on the option A, B and C? 5619 04:03:58,239 --> 04:04:01,600 And the reason is drafting a policy 5620 04:04:01,600 --> 04:04:04,960 presented to the council for us to uh 5621 04:04:04,960 --> 04:04:07,600 make comments and then adopt is 5622 04:04:07,600 --> 04:04:11,120 different from running a 501c3. And on 5623 04:04:11,120 --> 04:04:13,600 the diets you just heard several 5624 04:04:13,600 --> 04:04:15,199 questions raised regarding the 5625 04:04:15,199 --> 04:04:17,920 complications of it and the challenges 5626 04:04:17,920 --> 04:04:20,080 foreseeable that we need to overcome. 5627 04:04:20,080 --> 04:04:22,319 Not to say it's not going to happen. I 5628 04:04:22,319 --> 04:04:24,960 think that there's a lot of um cities 5629 04:04:24,960 --> 04:04:27,840 that are now considering 501c3 as an 5630 04:04:27,840 --> 04:04:30,080 options. But that being said, it is 5631 04:04:30,080 --> 04:04:33,199 complicated. It's sort of a no man's 5632 04:04:33,199 --> 04:04:35,760 lands at this point and it could be the 5633 04:04:35,760 --> 04:04:39,359 potential of being misused is there. So 5634 04:04:39,359 --> 04:04:41,840 there needs to be outreach is to see if 5635 04:04:41,840 --> 04:04:44,160 there are opportunities. But mainly I'm 5636 04:04:44,160 --> 04:04:46,399 just curious as to to what extent the 5637 04:04:46,399 --> 04:04:49,279 staff time for all these options how 5638 04:04:49,279 --> 04:04:52,399 it's going to engage and once we set it 5639 04:04:52,399 --> 04:04:55,520 up how much the maintenance time that 5640 04:04:55,520 --> 04:04:58,960 you is going to be incorporated in this. 5641 04:04:58,960 --> 04:05:01,040 >> Yeah. I mean I would say option I option 5642 04:05:01,040 --> 04:05:03,680 A would be a very high in terms of staff 5643 04:05:03,680 --> 04:05:06,640 time um to just establish it and then 5644 04:05:06,640 --> 04:05:10,239 also to support the Brown Act another 5645 04:05:10,239 --> 04:05:12,800 sort of entity um and any sort of like 5646 04:05:12,800 --> 04:05:14,960 marketing efforts and bookkeeping that's 5647 04:05:14,960 --> 04:05:17,439 required and whereas BNC would probably 5648 04:05:17,439 --> 04:05:19,920 be low to medium depending on the level 5649 04:05:19,920 --> 04:05:22,880 of oversight and continued um 5650 04:05:22,880 --> 04:05:25,439 fundraising. I know just to go back to 5651 04:05:25,439 --> 04:05:27,600 the parks uh friends of the parks group, 5652 04:05:27,600 --> 04:05:29,520 they sort of have a model where they the 5653 04:05:29,520 --> 04:05:32,080 city says we're going to do a letter of 5654 04:05:32,080 --> 04:05:33,840 intent. This is a project that we're 5655 04:05:33,840 --> 04:05:36,000 going to fund raise for. And so they 5656 04:05:36,000 --> 04:05:37,600 kind of put that messaging out where 5657 04:05:37,600 --> 04:05:40,319 they have that agreed upon project. Um 5658 04:05:40,319 --> 04:05:42,560 and so that's another sort of option 5659 04:05:42,560 --> 04:05:44,399 that you could add in BNC. And so that 5660 04:05:44,399 --> 04:05:46,319 would involve regular reporting or 5661 04:05:46,319 --> 04:05:49,760 status updates. So, um I think B and C 5662 04:05:49,760 --> 04:05:51,680 could be high depending on the level the 5663 04:05:51,680 --> 04:05:54,239 level of uh reporting uh that the 5664 04:05:54,239 --> 04:05:57,279 council desires, but um I don't I do 5665 04:05:57,279 --> 04:05:58,960 think option A will just be the most 5666 04:05:58,960 --> 04:06:01,359 time inensive, 5667 04:06:01,359 --> 04:06:04,319 but it also allows for uh the donor 5668 04:06:04,319 --> 04:06:07,040 advised funds um fundraising as another 5669 04:06:07,040 --> 04:06:08,960 option. So, it's just trade-offs 5670 04:06:08,960 --> 04:06:11,359 >> through the mayor. Um just one more 5671 04:06:11,359 --> 04:06:13,840 questions. I I I know there is an 5672 04:06:13,840 --> 04:06:16,880 interest of having some somewhat of a 5673 04:06:16,880 --> 04:06:20,239 control from the council uh because um 5674 04:06:20,239 --> 04:06:22,000 at the end of the day all these projects 5675 04:06:22,000 --> 04:06:25,359 or events does impact the town right so 5676 04:06:25,359 --> 04:06:27,199 from that perspective it makes sense for 5677 04:06:27,199 --> 04:06:30,560 the council to be engaged in that but 5678 04:06:30,560 --> 04:06:32,960 are there um different kinds of models 5679 04:06:32,960 --> 04:06:35,600 as to how that looks like because you 5680 04:06:35,600 --> 04:06:37,680 know there's 5681 04:06:37,680 --> 04:06:40,880 to the to council member Adam's comments 5682 04:06:40,880 --> 04:06:43,520 you know we all have a lot on our place 5683 04:06:43,520 --> 04:06:45,600 and how do you then differentiate this 5684 04:06:45,600 --> 04:06:49,359 is one more council meetings um versus 5685 04:06:49,359 --> 04:06:52,479 this is a nonprofit board meetings 5686 04:06:52,479 --> 04:06:54,080 right 5687 04:06:54,080 --> 04:07:01,750 in that discussions. 5688 04:07:01,760 --> 04:07:04,640 So, we got some ideas tonight in our 5689 04:07:04,640 --> 04:07:07,760 very first presentation from the um 5690 04:07:07,760 --> 04:07:11,439 consultants on the scale of the town 5691 04:07:11,439 --> 04:07:13,760 hall project from a financial point of 5692 04:07:13,760 --> 04:07:15,920 view. How do you think we're going to 5693 04:07:15,920 --> 04:07:18,479 get there if we don't give ourselves the 5694 04:07:18,479 --> 04:07:21,199 tools to make it easier? I mean, this is 5695 04:07:21,199 --> 04:07:24,399 a big big lift and we we're going to 5696 04:07:24,399 --> 04:07:27,439 need to fire on all cylinders and we're 5697 04:07:27,439 --> 04:07:30,239 going to need to pull every lever we can 5698 04:07:30,239 --> 04:07:32,880 to bring in this money, public money, 5699 04:07:32,880 --> 04:07:35,760 private money, however we can, but it's 5700 04:07:35,760 --> 04:07:37,840 a big lift and we need the tools to get 5701 04:07:37,840 --> 04:07:39,760 there. 5702 04:07:39,760 --> 04:07:42,319 >> Um, yeah. No, I agree. I think this is 5703 04:07:42,319 --> 04:07:45,040 going to be a very intense undertaking. 5704 04:07:45,040 --> 04:07:48,319 However, um, you know, I and I'm all in. 5705 04:07:48,319 --> 04:07:52,640 However, I I think um our primary charge 5706 04:07:52,640 --> 04:07:55,520 is to run the town and we are not a 5707 04:07:55,520 --> 04:07:58,960 nonprofit entity. Um, while we can do 5708 04:07:58,960 --> 04:08:00,800 this and this we can get support from 5709 04:08:00,800 --> 04:08:03,199 the staff, I don't want us to lose sight 5710 04:08:03,199 --> 04:08:06,160 of what our primary objective is as as a 5711 04:08:06,160 --> 04:08:10,560 city council. And um I I do think 5712 04:08:10,560 --> 04:08:12,080 mitigating 5713 04:08:12,080 --> 04:08:16,000 um staff time with our own time in terms 5714 04:08:16,000 --> 04:08:18,080 of presentation to us perhaps twice a 5715 04:08:18,080 --> 04:08:22,160 year is reasonable. And you know the 5716 04:08:22,160 --> 04:08:25,120 what I sort of envision is this the 5717 04:08:25,120 --> 04:08:26,880 residents in this town love this town 5718 04:08:26,880 --> 04:08:29,279 and they become very engaged once you 5719 04:08:29,279 --> 04:08:32,239 can inspire them to become attached to a 5720 04:08:32,239 --> 04:08:34,720 project and I really believe that could 5721 04:08:34,720 --> 04:08:36,880 really take off and we could be the 5722 04:08:36,880 --> 04:08:38,880 inspiration to get them interested in 5723 04:08:38,880 --> 04:08:40,160 the different things we're trying to do 5724 04:08:40,160 --> 04:08:43,600 at town hall but at the same time we we 5725 04:08:43,600 --> 04:08:45,600 we're not going to try to be expert on 5726 04:08:45,600 --> 04:08:48,080 something we don't do. we, you know, we 5727 04:08:48,080 --> 04:08:52,080 still we're really running a town. So, I just sort of want to get back to that 5728 04:08:52,080 --> 04:08:57,520 fundamental um task for us, which is not necessarily to do fundraising per 5729 04:08:57,520 --> 04:09:00,160 se, although we must do it for some of 5730 04:09:00,160 --> 04:09:01,600 the projects we're interested in, but 5731 04:09:01,600 --> 04:09:07,110 that's not our primary mission. 5732 04:09:07,120 --> 04:09:11,439 » So, u I I think in actual fact, we may 5733 04:09:11,439 --> 04:09:14,479 end up with a 501c3, but I don't think 5734 04:09:14,479 --> 04:09:16,239 that's where we should start. I think we 5735 04:09:16,239 --> 04:09:19,279 should start with guidelines. 5736 04:09:19,279 --> 04:09:22,630 Pardon me. 5737 04:09:22,640 --> 04:09:26,560 » Uh and then I also think having filled 5738 04:09:26,560 --> 04:09:28,800 out, you know, registering the charity 5739 04:09:28,800 --> 04:09:31,680 with the California state government 5740 04:09:31,680 --> 04:09:36,080 every year, uh filing your form 990 5741 04:09:36,080 --> 04:09:38,640 every year. If you raise a certain 5742 04:09:38,640 --> 04:09:40,399 amount, you actually have to start 5743 04:09:40,399 --> 04:09:43,279 having not just an audit of the 5744 04:09:43,279 --> 04:09:46,960 nonprofit, you have to have a single uh 5745 04:09:46,960 --> 04:09:50,319 single line audit, which is even more 5746 04:09:50,319 --> 04:09:52,640 complicated. If you get any government 5747 04:09:52,640 --> 04:09:55,600 funding, that might be influencing this, 5748 04:09:55,600 --> 04:09:59,439 too. I just think we we don't have to 5749 04:09:59,439 --> 04:10:02,399 panic. We don't have a program that 5750 04:10:02,399 --> 04:10:05,600 we're selling yet. We we're still in 5751 04:10:05,600 --> 04:10:08,880 discussion. uh about how much we would 5752 04:10:08,880 --> 04:10:12,160 be spending. So I think we can take the 5753 04:10:12,160 --> 04:10:14,479 luxury of just getting our donor 5754 04:10:14,479 --> 04:10:16,880 guidelines together and actually 5755 04:10:16,880 --> 04:10:21,040 starting to think about how how would we 5756 04:10:21,040 --> 04:10:24,160 approach people and if we can approach 5757 04:10:24,160 --> 04:10:26,800 them and say this is taxdeductible 5758 04:10:26,800 --> 04:10:29,120 and frankly 5759 04:10:29,120 --> 04:10:31,279 it's going to go directly to an a 5760 04:10:31,279 --> 04:10:34,800 specific project. I think it's worth 5761 04:10:34,800 --> 04:10:39,199 taking the time to do that and uh if we 5762 04:10:39,199 --> 04:10:41,120 find that we have donors who are 5763 04:10:41,120 --> 04:10:43,359 reluctant because of that we can 5764 04:10:43,359 --> 04:10:48,960 reassess it and u I think we also 5765 04:10:48,960 --> 04:10:51,760 need to look at uh when you do a 5766 04:10:51,760 --> 04:10:53,920 campaign you have various levels of 5767 04:10:53,920 --> 04:10:55,760 donors etc. We would have to hire 5768 04:10:55,760 --> 04:10:57,680 someone for that. We probably have to 5769 04:10:57,680 --> 04:11:01,040 hire someone to work on the taxexempt 5770 04:11:01,040 --> 04:11:05,120 nonprofit. So I kind of think a a toe in 5771 04:11:05,120 --> 04:11:08,319 the water would be to try to get our 5772 04:11:08,319 --> 04:11:09,600 guidelines together. 5773 04:11:09,600 --> 04:11:13,120 >> So that would be a hybrid of um B and C 5774 04:11:13,120 --> 04:11:16,800 perhaps putting together a policy 5775 04:11:16,800 --> 04:11:18,880 guidelines 5776 04:11:18,880 --> 04:11:23,120 that embeds um B and C in a manner that 5777 04:11:23,120 --> 04:11:26,000 suits our needs without going all in for 5778 04:11:26,000 --> 04:11:29,199 a 501c and all the heavy lifting 5779 04:11:29,199 --> 04:11:33,199 involved. Um, Vice Mayo Adams, I'm 5780 04:11:33,199 --> 04:11:34,640 sorry, Vice Mayor Rexio. 5781 04:11:34,640 --> 04:11:38,399 >> Um, yes, I I I think I'm going where 5782 04:11:38,399 --> 04:11:42,640 you're going in terms of B, but not um 5783 04:11:42,640 --> 04:11:46,399 not expanding 419 since that is that's a 5784 04:11:46,399 --> 04:11:48,880 great policy, well written, no need to 5785 04:11:48,880 --> 04:11:51,760 touch it and that is, you know, physical 5786 04:11:51,760 --> 04:11:54,399 objects. So we would do something like 5787 04:11:54,399 --> 04:11:59,279 419 that would be um for monetary 5788 04:11:59,279 --> 04:12:02,640 donations and then make it clear that 5789 04:12:02,640 --> 04:12:06,080 they are segregated for what you the 5790 04:12:06,080 --> 04:12:08,239 project you donated it for you donated 5791 04:12:08,239 --> 04:12:10,479 it for and also that it's tax 5792 04:12:10,479 --> 04:12:13,120 deductible. 5793 04:12:13,120 --> 04:12:15,600 So having heard that um city attorney 5794 04:12:15,600 --> 04:12:19,040 can we get um support from um our legal 5795 04:12:19,040 --> 04:12:22,800 council um within BBK to help draft a 5796 04:12:22,800 --> 04:12:25,040 policy or guidelines to perhaps move 5797 04:12:25,040 --> 04:12:27,040 towards B or C something along those 5798 04:12:27,040 --> 04:12:29,520 lines and bring it back to us and we can 5799 04:12:29,520 --> 04:12:29,840 find 5800 04:12:29,840 --> 04:12:31,120 >> I don't know if staff needs our 5801 04:12:31,120 --> 04:12:33,199 assistance right away or wants to send 5802 04:12:33,199 --> 04:12:35,040 us uh something that they've come up 5803 04:12:35,040 --> 04:12:36,399 with that we can review but yes 5804 04:12:36,399 --> 04:12:38,239 certainly we can definitely help assist 5805 04:12:38,239 --> 04:12:41,750 with whatever policy gets created. 5806 04:12:41,760 --> 04:12:43,439 Does that does that does that sound 5807 04:12:43,439 --> 04:12:45,439 reasonable to the rest of the council to 5808 04:12:45,439 --> 04:12:47,359 move along those lines of guide of a 5809 04:12:47,359 --> 04:12:49,359 guideline and a policy that could be 5810 04:12:49,359 --> 04:12:51,199 modified 5811 04:12:51,199 --> 04:12:53,920 will be brought back to us. Okay. Thank 5812 04:12:53,920 --> 04:12:56,080 you, Mandy. Thank you very much for 5813 04:12:56,080 --> 04:12:57,439 putting this together. It's very 5814 04:12:57,439 --> 04:13:02,000 helpful. And um, Council Member Krillic, 5815 04:13:02,000 --> 04:13:08,080 I I really appreciate your passion and your energy and your focus on 5816 04:13:08,080 --> 04:13:11,040 something this very important. Um, and 5817 04:13:11,040 --> 04:13:12,560 would just like to reassure you, at 5818 04:13:12,560 --> 04:13:13,840 least personally, I would like to 5819 04:13:13,840 --> 04:13:15,600 continue the work in making sure we 5820 04:13:15,600 --> 04:13:17,840 accomplish our goals. But thanks again 5821 04:13:17,840 --> 04:13:21,120 for all that you do along those lines. 5822 04:13:21,120 --> 04:13:25,680 Okay. Next, we don't that's it for this 5823 04:13:25,680 --> 04:13:28,000 is to give directives, correct? Nothing 5824 04:13:28,000 --> 04:13:30,560 more. 5825 04:13:30,560 --> 04:13:33,359 All right. The next item is city council 5826 04:13:33,359 --> 04:13:36,159 items. All right. Do my colleagues have 5827 04:13:36,159 --> 04:13:37,600 anything they would like to report from 5828 04:13:37,600 --> 04:13:41,590 previous meetings? 5829 04:13:41,600 --> 04:13:43,840 » Starting with 5830 04:13:43,840 --> 04:13:45,199 council member. Yes. 5831 04:13:45,199 --> 04:13:48,560 >> Thank you. Um I um attended the 5832 04:13:48,560 --> 04:13:51,920 emergency service council uh meeting and 5833 04:13:51,920 --> 04:13:55,120 the council approved a purchase of a 5834 04:13:55,120 --> 04:13:58,880 type one hazmat vehicle to replace the 5835 04:13:58,880 --> 04:14:02,640 old one that has been in use for 25 5836 04:14:02,640 --> 04:14:06,399 years. Um the purchase would allow um a 5837 04:14:06,399 --> 04:14:08,560 $135,000 5838 04:14:08,560 --> 04:14:11,600 saving if we can uh utilize the trust 5839 04:14:11,600 --> 04:14:14,800 funds that's been um collected over the 5840 04:14:14,800 --> 04:14:19,359 years. Um but that also means that um in 5841 04:14:19,359 --> 04:14:21,040 2027 5842 04:14:21,040 --> 04:14:24,800 all the cities will be facing a 2.72% 5843 04:14:24,800 --> 04:14:27,439 increase in membership. So just to put 5844 04:14:27,439 --> 04:14:31,199 that out there for um you to be aware of 5845 04:14:31,199 --> 04:14:34,640 it. And then the other thing is that um 5846 04:14:34,640 --> 04:14:37,120 thanks to Mayor Cole and our city 5847 04:14:37,120 --> 04:14:40,479 manager's office and also our fine 5848 04:14:40,479 --> 04:14:44,239 police departments and um CCFD uh the 5849 04:14:44,239 --> 04:14:47,120 fire departments. Um they welcome the 5850 04:14:47,120 --> 04:14:50,399 little league uh baseball team from um 5851 04:14:50,399 --> 04:14:53,680 Taiwan Shinu Elementary 5852 04:14:53,680 --> 04:14:58,080 and um the players and also the coaches 5853 04:14:58,080 --> 04:14:59,920 really appreciate the opportunity to 5854 04:14:59,920 --> 04:15:02,960 visit our town to see the drone demo and 5855 04:15:02,960 --> 04:15:06,479 then to meet the K9 mink. Um so it's 5856 04:15:06,479 --> 04:15:09,359 been fantastic. Um they are currently 5857 04:15:09,359 --> 04:15:13,680 competing in um Kansas City's um based 5858 04:15:13,680 --> 04:15:16,479 Ruth um tournament and I was told that 5859 04:15:16,479 --> 04:15:19,120 they won their first tournament so it's 5860 04:15:19,120 --> 04:15:23,760 going great. So thank you all. 5861 04:15:23,760 --> 04:15:26,560 >> Yes, council member Crowley. Thank you. 5862 04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:28,960 Um I went to sound the San Francisco 5863 04:15:28,960 --> 04:15:31,120 roundt and they presented their fly 5864 04:15:31,120 --> 04:15:34,640 quiet 2.0 O program and council member 5865 04:15:34,640 --> 04:15:36,960 Adams attended as well and we had an 5866 04:15:36,960 --> 04:15:39,520 ADRB meeting. Um thank you so much to 5867 04:15:39,520 --> 04:15:42,080 Liz Reese. She's our senior planner at 5868 04:15:42,080 --> 04:15:45,359 the moment. There she is. Um and also 5869 04:15:45,359 --> 04:15:47,359 went to the council of cities at Sonteo 5870 04:15:47,359 --> 04:15:48,800 which is very interesting. It was 5871 04:15:48,800 --> 04:15:50,560 actually at the waste treatment plant. 5872 04:15:50,560 --> 04:15:54,560 Um but it was interesting tour. 5873 04:15:54,560 --> 04:15:57,840 >> Thank you. Um council member Adams any 5874 04:15:57,840 --> 04:16:01,429 report? 5875 04:16:01,439 --> 04:16:04,239 So, uh, here I am outfitted supporting 5876 04:16:04,239 --> 04:16:08,880 the, uh, Taiwan team at, uh, Shingpool. 5877 04:16:08,880 --> 04:16:11,760 And this arrived in my box, and I 5878 04:16:11,760 --> 04:16:15,840 thought it was pretty snappy. Uh, next 5879 04:16:15,840 --> 04:16:18,560 slide. 5880 04:16:18,560 --> 04:16:21,600 Uh, I wanted to rem this was such a 5881 04:16:21,600 --> 04:16:24,479 fantastic thing that was actually four 5882 04:16:24,479 --> 04:16:26,880 of the council members were there. We 5883 04:16:26,880 --> 04:16:29,920 missed you, Marie. But, uh, Sonteo 5884 04:16:29,920 --> 04:16:31,600 hosted the council of cities tour of the 5885 04:16:31,600 --> 04:16:34,720 wastewater treatment plant, which is 5886 04:16:34,720 --> 04:16:40,000 stunning, exemplary. Uh, next slide. We 5887 04:16:40,000 --> 04:16:43,359 toured it. Uh, we 5888 04:16:43,359 --> 04:16:46,159 discussed the water program. We looked 5889 04:16:46,159 --> 04:16:49,920 at their headquarters and their sort of 5890 04:16:49,920 --> 04:16:54,319 central central uh, oversight. It it was 5891 04:16:54,319 --> 04:16:56,640 really an extraordinary experience to 5892 04:16:56,640 --> 04:17:01,120 see how well at least half of our solid 5893 04:17:01,120 --> 04:17:04,960 waste goes to this treatment uh plant. 5894 04:17:04,960 --> 04:17:07,520 The other half goes to Berlingame. So 5895 04:17:07,520 --> 04:17:10,960 was very very interesting and in I I 5896 04:17:10,960 --> 04:17:13,120 just love the council of cities. Uh 5897 04:17:13,120 --> 04:17:21,279 next, uh I wanted to comment uh council member Krill was the chair of 5898 04:17:21,279 --> 04:17:26,720 the airport roundt uh for several years 5899 04:17:26,720 --> 04:17:29,760 uh and I wanted to thank her for helping 5900 04:17:29,760 --> 04:17:32,640 me become a part of the technical 5901 04:17:32,640 --> 04:17:34,479 committee. I wanted to make sure 5902 04:17:34,479 --> 04:17:36,880 everyone knows that SFO's parallel 5903 04:17:36,880 --> 04:17:41,439 landing uh was banned and it is that ban 5904 04:17:41,439 --> 04:17:45,279 has now ended at least with uh the FAA 5905 04:17:45,279 --> 04:17:48,159 now allowing staggered parallel landings 5906 04:17:48,159 --> 04:17:50,560 and that's going to start uh August 5907 04:17:50,560 --> 04:17:52,640 12th. So that's going to start right up 5908 04:17:52,640 --> 04:17:54,319 this week which should provide some 5909 04:17:54,319 --> 04:17:56,800 relief after a summer of frequent 5910 04:17:56,800 --> 04:17:59,359 delays. That's a quote from the 5911 04:17:59,359 --> 04:18:02,800 chronicle and it's from the SFO 5912 04:18:02,800 --> 04:18:06,239 spokesperson Doug Yankl. So, this is 5913 04:18:06,239 --> 04:18:08,720 really an exciting opportunity for me 5914 04:18:08,720 --> 04:18:13,439 that I thank uh council member Krlic for 5915 04:18:13,439 --> 04:18:15,359 uh letting she will still continue as 5916 04:18:15,359 --> 04:18:17,680 the voting member, but I get to play 5917 04:18:17,680 --> 04:18:19,600 with all the technical stuff which makes 5918 04:18:19,600 --> 04:18:22,960 me happy. Next uh public works 5919 04:18:22,960 --> 04:18:25,279 commissioner meeting an update. Just 5920 04:18:25,279 --> 04:18:27,680 another reminder that the work continues 5921 04:18:27,680 --> 04:18:30,960 on Tartan Trail and on Parkside. Things 5922 04:18:30,960 --> 04:18:34,800 we've waited for for a long time and it 5923 04:18:34,800 --> 04:18:36,960 probably will still take a long time, 5924 04:18:36,960 --> 04:18:39,520 but it's really exciting that we've made 5925 04:18:39,520 --> 04:18:43,199 progress. The next slide will tell you 5926 04:18:43,199 --> 04:18:46,479 uh about a weekend update. There was a 5927 04:18:46,479 --> 04:18:50,239 leaking pipe that was repaired and I 5928 04:18:50,239 --> 04:18:59,510 actually have the pipe 5929 04:18:59,520 --> 04:19:02,000 This is just a small portion, but it can 5930 04:19:02,000 --> 04:19:05,680 tell you. You can see the corrosion and 5931 04:19:05,680 --> 04:19:09,439 the hole in this really heavy dirty 5932 04:19:09,439 --> 04:19:13,750 thing. 5933 04:19:13,760 --> 04:19:15,840 » Yeah, that's [laughter] 5934 04:19:15,840 --> 04:19:19,359 we'll donate that. Um, it was assessed 5935 04:19:19,359 --> 04:19:23,920 as a leak, not a break. and uh the uh 5936 04:19:23,920 --> 04:19:26,319 public works. I want to just explain how 5937 04:19:26,319 --> 04:19:28,640 the thinking goes to try to really 5938 04:19:28,640 --> 04:19:32,800 minimize the impact uh in an area for 5939 04:19:32,800 --> 04:19:35,760 example like this program. They opted to 5940 04:19:35,760 --> 04:19:38,319 wait until Monday initially because they 5941 04:19:38,319 --> 04:19:39,920 were just going to monitor it and they 5942 04:19:39,920 --> 04:19:42,560 didn't want to disturb the citizens 5943 04:19:42,560 --> 04:19:45,680 weekend since many, you know, the repair 5944 04:19:45,680 --> 04:19:47,760 was going to mean that many homes would 5945 04:19:47,760 --> 04:19:50,640 not have water for a while. So they 5946 04:19:50,640 --> 04:19:52,399 thought it would hold. They had put a 5947 04:19:52,399 --> 04:19:54,479 clamp on it. They thought the clamp 5948 04:19:54,479 --> 04:19:56,800 would hold. When they reassessed it, 5949 04:19:56,800 --> 04:19:58,960 they said on Saturday, "Not good 5950 04:19:58,960 --> 04:20:01,199 enough." And they went back in on 5951 04:20:01,199 --> 04:20:05,920 Saturday and completely uh replaced that 5952 04:20:05,920 --> 04:20:08,479 section of the pipe. And I just want to 5953 04:20:08,479 --> 04:20:10,960 congratulate them for going through a 5954 04:20:10,960 --> 04:20:14,239 process of decision making that is 5955 04:20:14,239 --> 04:20:16,640 complicated and not always uh 5956 04:20:16,640 --> 04:20:18,640 transparent to the public who may think, 5957 04:20:18,640 --> 04:20:20,880 why isn't this being fixed right away? 5958 04:20:20,880 --> 04:20:22,640 So, there are a lot of considerations 5959 04:20:22,640 --> 04:20:25,520 that went into it. Uh, but we're going 5960 04:20:25,520 --> 04:20:28,080 to have more like this. We have a lot of 5961 04:20:28,080 --> 04:20:30,880 pipes that are 5962 04:20:30,880 --> 04:20:33,760 uh mates to this little guy that's here. 5963 04:20:33,760 --> 04:20:36,960 So, expect that public works is always 5964 04:20:36,960 --> 04:20:39,279 doing the best they can for us. Next 5965 04:20:39,279 --> 04:20:42,469 slide. 5966 04:20:42,479 --> 04:20:45,600 Tobin Clark ad hoc committee. Uh, we 5967 04:20:45,600 --> 04:20:47,359 have met and we have some exciting news 5968 04:20:47,359 --> 04:20:50,080 that Mayor Cole will be talking about. 5969 04:20:50,080 --> 04:20:53,600 uh some public meetings that are coming 5970 04:20:53,600 --> 04:20:56,720 up in October so that there will be uh 5971 04:20:56,720 --> 04:20:58,720 the opportunity for people to really 5972 04:20:58,720 --> 04:21:00,960 comment on this. Something I didn't 5973 04:21:00,960 --> 04:21:03,439 mention today when we talked about the 5974 04:21:03,439 --> 04:21:06,159 Tobin Clark project. We haven't really 5975 04:21:06,159 --> 04:21:09,600 gotten the public feedback that we need 5976 04:21:09,600 --> 04:21:12,640 to proceed with this at well. So, uh 5977 04:21:12,640 --> 04:21:17,359 Mayor Cole will talk about that next. 5978 04:21:17,359 --> 04:21:21,120 uh Rethink Waste had to uh redo its 5979 04:21:21,120 --> 04:21:23,359 public education and recycling technical 5980 04:21:23,359 --> 04:21:25,920 assistance plan which I read and 5981 04:21:25,920 --> 04:21:29,680 commented on and it's very good if you 5982 04:21:29,680 --> 04:21:32,319 want some reading next. 5983 04:21:32,319 --> 04:21:34,880 uh Hillsboro Beautification Foundation 5984 04:21:34,880 --> 04:21:38,479 had an email vote on a new concept uh 5985 04:21:38,479 --> 04:21:40,880 and it's going to start up in September 5986 04:21:40,880 --> 04:21:43,279 and you will probably receive 5987 04:21:43,279 --> 04:21:46,640 invitations to support this harvest 5988 04:21:46,640 --> 04:21:48,800 dinner that they are planning. It's very 5989 04:21:48,800 --> 04:21:52,479 exciting. Next, 5990 04:21:52,479 --> 04:21:54,479 uh telecommunications. You've already 5991 04:21:54,479 --> 04:21:58,560 heard uh that we are going to continue 5992 04:21:58,560 --> 04:22:01,600 this survey through September. I really 5993 04:22:01,600 --> 04:22:06,399 want to underscore what uh uh Mandy 5994 04:22:06,399 --> 04:22:08,880 Brown told us. This takes a little bit 5995 04:22:08,880 --> 04:22:11,600 of time, takes about 20 minutes, but it 5996 04:22:11,600 --> 04:22:14,960 will help you know the speed of the 5997 04:22:14,960 --> 04:22:17,040 internet uh reception that you're 5998 04:22:17,040 --> 04:22:19,199 getting in your home as you're doing it. 5999 04:22:19,199 --> 04:22:21,120 If you're doing it on a phone or a 6000 04:22:21,120 --> 04:22:23,600 computer, it's it's really actually 6001 04:22:23,600 --> 04:22:25,359 going to give you some information, but 6002 04:22:25,359 --> 04:22:27,920 mostly it's going to give us information 6003 04:22:27,920 --> 04:22:30,159 about the town. That's really critical 6004 04:22:30,159 --> 04:22:32,080 for these decisions to be made 6005 04:22:32,080 --> 04:22:33,520 appropriately. And I think that's the 6006 04:22:33,520 --> 04:22:37,760 end last slide. Thanks. 6007 04:22:37,760 --> 04:22:39,760 >> Yes. 6008 04:22:39,760 --> 04:22:42,479 >> Thank you, representation. Um, Vice 6009 04:22:42,479 --> 04:22:45,279 Mayor Ragdale. 6010 04:22:45,279 --> 04:22:50,000 >> Yes. I have a few slides here. Um, 6011 04:22:50,000 --> 04:22:53,920 ebikes. Um, as Mandy said, uh, tomorrow 6012 04:22:53,920 --> 04:22:56,159 the board of supervisors are considering 6013 04:22:56,159 --> 04:22:59,520 their ordinance on ebikes. clarifying 6014 04:22:59,520 --> 04:23:02,560 the law, clarifying enforcement and 6015 04:23:02,560 --> 04:23:05,439 enhancing enforcement, including uh with 6016 04:23:05,439 --> 04:23:08,080 regard to sidewalks, which is less of an 6017 04:23:08,080 --> 04:23:09,760 issue obviously in Hillsboro with regard 6018 04:23:09,760 --> 04:23:12,239 to sidewalks, but uh it's an important 6019 04:23:12,239 --> 04:23:15,760 ordinance and um they will be hearing 6020 04:23:15,760 --> 04:23:18,000 that their meeting starts at 9:30 and 6021 04:23:18,000 --> 04:23:19,840 it's number six on the agenda, so 6022 04:23:19,840 --> 04:23:23,120 probably won't be too late. Um and uh 6023 04:23:23,120 --> 04:23:26,080 Diane Papin's bill that would give us a 6024 04:23:26,080 --> 04:23:29,279 um pilot program for ages 12 and up for 6025 04:23:29,279 --> 04:23:32,319 ebikes uh is yet to be voted on by the 6026 04:23:32,319 --> 04:23:35,279 Senate uh the Senate floor, but 6027 04:23:35,279 --> 04:23:37,760 hopefully that goes through. Um there 6028 04:23:37,760 --> 04:23:40,720 are some traffic issues that residents 6029 04:23:40,720 --> 04:23:44,640 had that um uh the staff put together a 6030 04:23:44,640 --> 04:23:47,279 fantastic meeting to address their 6031 04:23:47,279 --> 04:23:50,239 concerns. Um so I appreciate that. Next 6032 04:23:50,239 --> 04:23:55,030 slide. 6033 04:23:55,040 --> 04:23:57,920 Um, oh, the youth. I love the youth. 6034 04:23:57,920 --> 04:24:00,479 California Associ association of youth 6035 04:24:00,479 --> 04:24:01,920 commissions. I mentioned because our 6036 04:24:01,920 --> 04:24:04,640 Hillsboro kids started it and uh they 6037 04:24:04,640 --> 04:24:06,720 are working really hard on getting other 6038 04:24:06,720 --> 04:24:09,199 towns to develop youth commissions and 6039 04:24:09,199 --> 04:24:11,520 uh they have zooms with them and um 6040 04:24:11,520 --> 04:24:14,399 sometimes I pop onto those zooms and and 6041 04:24:14,399 --> 04:24:17,040 helps. Um you heard about the 6042 04:24:17,040 --> 04:24:20,640 wastewater. It was so interesting. Uh, 6043 04:24:20,640 --> 04:24:23,627 fantastic. It was a little smelly, 6044 04:24:23,627 --> 04:24:24,319 [laughter] 6045 04:24:24,319 --> 04:24:26,399 but uh, the interesting thing there was 6046 04:24:26,399 --> 04:24:29,680 that the, um, employees, 6047 04:24:29,680 --> 04:24:31,199 none of them knew they would go into 6048 04:24:31,199 --> 04:24:32,960 this. They seem to really love their 6049 04:24:32,960 --> 04:24:34,880 jobs. And one guy's like, I was a music 6050 04:24:34,880 --> 04:24:37,359 major. Another guy was like sociology 6051 04:24:37,359 --> 04:24:39,920 major or something. So, um, looked like 6052 04:24:39,920 --> 04:24:42,399 a fantastic job and something to keep in 6053 04:24:42,399 --> 04:24:46,399 mind, um, for our kids. Um and uh 6054 04:24:46,399 --> 04:24:49,040 council member Schwang uh was there for 6055 04:24:49,040 --> 04:24:52,560 the um teenert. I popped in for their 6056 04:24:52,560 --> 04:24:56,239 graduation ceremony. Um but the the C 6057 04:24:56,239 --> 04:24:58,800 team did a fantastic job. 6058 04:24:58,800 --> 04:24:59,840 >> 27 teams 6059 04:24:59,840 --> 04:25:01,359 >> 27 graduates 6060 04:25:01,359 --> 04:25:03,680 >> f and they they came they came multiple 6061 04:25:03,680 --> 04:25:05,279 days you know they they love it. They 6062 04:25:05,279 --> 04:25:06,479 don't just show up the first day. They 6063 04:25:06,479 --> 04:25:08,800 came multiple days and um it was very 6064 04:25:08,800 --> 04:25:12,080 exciting to see. And next slide. 6065 04:25:12,080 --> 04:25:17,120 Um this is oh uh the youth again um 6066 04:25:17,120 --> 04:25:18,960 their Silicon Valley youth climate 6067 04:25:18,960 --> 04:25:22,800 action summit um in Certino I went on 6068 04:25:22,800 --> 04:25:25,920 Saturday was fantastic these kids will 6069 04:25:25,920 --> 04:25:28,080 give you hope how much they care about 6070 04:25:28,080 --> 04:25:31,279 the climate um and how they are so good 6071 04:25:31,279 --> 04:25:33,120 with action they have a whole action 6072 04:25:33,120 --> 04:25:36,159 task force they have a a summer program 6073 04:25:36,159 --> 04:25:39,199 for three intense weeks and they had uh 6074 04:25:39,199 --> 04:25:41,120 I don't know like 50 kids in that or 6075 04:25:41,120 --> 04:25:43,199 something Um so at the very end of it 6076 04:25:43,199 --> 04:25:45,439 they have a summit and Josh Becker was 6077 04:25:45,439 --> 04:25:48,399 the keynote speaker and um there were 6078 04:25:48,399 --> 04:25:50,319 elected officials sprinkled about to 6079 04:25:50,319 --> 04:25:52,960 give them advice on uh when you write a 6080 04:25:52,960 --> 04:25:55,040 letter or make a public comment uh what 6081 04:25:55,040 --> 04:25:57,439 is most impactful for the electeds to 6082 04:25:57,439 --> 04:26:00,800 hear. And next slide there's Josh 6083 04:26:00,800 --> 04:26:02,800 Becker. I like this. We are the first 6084 04:26:02,800 --> 04:26:04,640 generation to feel the effect of climate 6085 04:26:04,640 --> 04:26:06,800 change and the last generation who could 6086 04:26:06,800 --> 04:26:09,120 do something about it. That was a quote 6087 04:26:09,120 --> 04:26:12,319 that he brought to us. And next slide 6088 04:26:12,319 --> 04:26:16,960 and same summit. Next slide. 6089 04:26:16,960 --> 04:26:19,439 Uh West Light Energy. Hopefully you're 6090 04:26:19,439 --> 04:26:22,640 getting used to the new name. Um I 6091 04:26:22,640 --> 04:26:24,960 attended the various meetings. There was 6092 04:26:24,960 --> 04:26:29,199 an exciting uh ribbon cutting uh for low 6093 04:26:29,199 --> 04:26:31,199 in not low-inccome housing for multif 6094 04:26:31,199 --> 04:26:33,439 family housing. Peninsula Pines in South 6095 04:26:33,439 --> 04:26:36,080 San Francisco. They have these 6096 04:26:36,080 --> 04:26:39,439 complicated chargers where everyone can 6097 04:26:39,439 --> 04:26:41,279 charge at the same time. Every 6098 04:26:41,279 --> 04:26:44,640 resident's space has a charger and 6099 04:26:44,640 --> 04:26:46,479 there's their smart chargers and you can 6100 04:26:46,479 --> 04:26:48,880 tell it I don't want to, you know, you 6101 04:26:48,880 --> 04:26:50,560 pay for it, right? I don't want to 6102 04:26:50,560 --> 04:26:52,800 charge in the expensive times. I I need 6103 04:26:52,800 --> 04:26:54,640 to go really far tomorrow. I want to 6104 04:26:54,640 --> 04:26:56,720 charge all all the way. I don't care how 6105 04:26:56,720 --> 04:26:59,439 much it costs. Um and so there's they're 6106 04:26:59,439 --> 04:27:01,520 level one chargers and hybrid level two 6107 04:27:01,520 --> 04:27:04,159 chargers. um largest multif family 6108 04:27:04,159 --> 04:27:06,960 complex with the Chargers in California 6109 04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:10,880 and um I think second largest um in the 6110 04:27:10,880 --> 04:27:13,359 US in the western and US at least. So 6111 04:27:13,359 --> 04:27:16,880 that was very exciting to go to that and 6112 04:27:16,880 --> 04:27:20,399 um we had Kevin Mullen there and Diane 6113 04:27:20,399 --> 04:27:24,000 Papen there and um state officials as 6114 04:27:24,000 --> 04:27:27,199 well. And next slide 6115 04:27:27,199 --> 04:27:30,479 and uh that's not too exciting. I think 6116 04:27:30,479 --> 04:27:32,000 that's it. 6117 04:27:32,000 --> 04:27:34,319 Um thank you. Thanks for the updates. Um 6118 04:27:34,319 --> 04:27:37,040 I don't have much much more to add. I 6119 04:27:37,040 --> 04:27:38,720 did attend some of the a few of the 6120 04:27:38,720 --> 04:27:40,560 meetings that have already been reported 6121 04:27:40,560 --> 04:27:43,840 on so I will skip those. um just the 6122 04:27:43,840 --> 04:27:48,560 Tobin Clark um project um with the 6123 04:27:48,560 --> 04:27:51,600 project manager and the the feasibility 6124 04:27:51,600 --> 04:27:54,640 studies continues to move forward and we 6125 04:27:54,640 --> 04:27:56,159 still have a lot of work to do, a lot of 6126 04:27:56,159 --> 04:27:58,319 heavy lifting, but and we're going to 6127 04:27:58,319 --> 04:28:02,239 have spec a study session scheduled for 6128 04:28:02,239 --> 04:28:07,199 um October 12th at um 400 p.m. which is 6129 04:28:07,199 --> 04:28:09,120 the date of our city council meeting. So 6130 04:28:09,120 --> 04:28:11,600 the hope is that we will possibly have 6131 04:28:11,600 --> 04:28:13,600 to move close session around around 6132 04:28:13,600 --> 04:28:15,520 that, but it's anticipated to be an hour 6133 04:28:15,520 --> 04:28:19,279 and a half and October 26th, which is 6134 04:28:19,279 --> 04:28:22,479 also a Monday at 6:00 p.m. And we are 6135 04:28:22,479 --> 04:28:25,520 doing outreach to um residents at the 6136 04:28:25,520 --> 04:28:27,199 Tobin clock sites and of course the 6137 04:28:27,199 --> 04:28:30,159 entire you know town of Hillsboro. all 6138 04:28:30,159 --> 04:28:32,319 the residents are encouraged to attend 6139 04:28:32,319 --> 04:28:36,640 and um contribute to the conversation in 6140 04:28:36,640 --> 04:28:39,760 on the September 14th 6141 04:28:39,760 --> 04:28:44,080 um agenda. probably will have um the 6142 04:28:44,080 --> 04:28:46,239 adoption of a subcommittee which will 6143 04:28:46,239 --> 04:28:48,720 begin to open these meetings to anyone 6144 04:28:48,720 --> 04:28:52,319 in the community and that may be on at 6145 04:28:52,319 --> 04:28:53,600 this point we haven't decided if it's 6146 04:28:53,600 --> 04:28:55,279 going to be on consent calendar or if 6147 04:28:55,279 --> 04:28:56,800 it's going to be a discussion point but 6148 04:28:56,800 --> 04:28:59,040 either way the council will have the 6149 04:28:59,040 --> 04:29:00,800 opportunity to discuss it further if it 6150 04:29:00,800 --> 04:29:02,640 needs to. 6151 04:29:02,640 --> 04:29:06,720 Um, firewise, management continues to be 6152 04:29:06,720 --> 04:29:09,359 very aggressive and I really am quite 6153 04:29:09,359 --> 04:29:11,040 impressed with the new ideas they keep 6154 04:29:11,040 --> 04:29:12,880 coming up with as far as how to keep the 6155 04:29:12,880 --> 04:29:15,439 community safe and I'm really thankful 6156 04:29:15,439 --> 04:29:18,479 for that board. Um, nothing specific to 6157 04:29:18,479 --> 04:29:21,680 add this point. 6158 04:29:21,680 --> 04:29:25,359 Any additional report? All right, we did 6159 04:29:25,359 --> 04:29:27,520 pretty well in which case this meeting 6160 04:29:27,520 --> 04:29:34,229 is now returned. Thank you. Yay. 6161 04:29:34,239 --> 04:29:37,760 at 6:00 p.m. on the 26th and 4 p.m. on 6162 04:29:37,760 --> 04:29:40,800 the 12th.