Okay. Good evening. We're going to get
ready to start the meeting, but before
we do, I just wanted to see if anybody
uh wanted to sign up for public comment
that hasn't done so.
>> Okay. Well, there will be an opportunity
» Okay. Well, there will be an opportunity
for you to sign up um come up
afterwards. Thank you.
Before
I call the meeting in order, Mr. Hireer
is going to say a prayer for the
council.
Good evening, Lord. We come to you with
humble hearts. We thank you for a very
safe America 250 celebration. We thank
you for returning us back to the town of
Leland. We thank you for blessing us and
we ask that you bless our nation for 250
years more. In your name we pray. Amen.
>> Amen.
» Amen.
>> Thank you. I could now call this meeting
» Thank you. I could now call this meeting
to order at 6 o'clock p.m. And u just
want to say good evening. Welcome
everybody for being here. And uh please
turn your phones on vibrate or turn them
off so it won't be a disturbance. And um
just remember we are recorded. anybody
can record our meetings. So in saying
that, let's stand for the pledge.
» I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
[clears throat]
Next, we have approval of the agenda.
Does anybody have any additions or
deletions?
>> Madame Mayor, uh I would wish to add an
» Madame Mayor, uh I would wish to add an
item uh state of healthc care at new
business, please.
>> Where do you want that at?
» Where do you want that at?
>> Uh maybe the first item under new
» Uh maybe the first item under new
business.
» Oh, I'm sorry. 9.3 would be fine.
>> 9.3.
» 9.3.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> Anybody else? I have um subdivision
» Anybody else? I have um subdivision
Shell Bank I'd like to put under at 9.4
under new old old business.
[clears throat] I'm sorry I've talked so
much I'm getting horse again.
>> 9.4
» 9.4
>> the neighborhood Shell Bank.
Okay.
>> And then um may I ask to for 9.5
» And then um may I ask to for 9.5
Citizens Academy.
>> What kind? Citizens.
» What kind? Citizens.
>> Citizens Academy. Yes, ma'am.
» Okay. Anybody else?
Hearing none. Do we have a motion?
>> Motion to approve the agenda as amended.
» Motion to approve the agenda as amended.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Any discussion?
» Any discussion?
All in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> Any oppose?
» Any oppose?
Motion carries.
Thank y'all. Announcements. What we got
going on?
Madame Mayor, we're going to start with
the recognitions that you have for
tonight.
>> Oh, okay.
» Oh, okay.
>> Council, y'all want to come down with
» Council, y'all want to come down with
me?
Okay, we have some people here that has
served the town
for two different uh terms on some
boards. that we have right now. If I
could have any, if you serve on a board,
newly elected or been there uh on the
board of adjustments,
would you stand, please?
Mr. Garvey, I'll have you up here in
just a minute. What about um
parks and wreck?
I know we got somebody.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
Thank y'all for for serving on our
boards.
If I could have Don Garvey,
Michael Brdic, is he here yet? I know
he's on his way.
And
Scott Hennis,
come up and join us up here, please.
Hey bud,
» if you'll come up here with me.
>> Yeah. And we also have J uh Jean Klene
» Yeah. And we also have J uh Jean Klene
that was on board of adjustments, but
she couldn't be here tonight. But Don,
you have served our town well. Planning
board, board of adjustments, over and
over. You have served us well. And we
just want to say we appreciate you and
we thank you.
>> I have been honored by every
» I have been honored by every
meeting I've been to since January of
2009 to serve this wonderful town. It's
a gem. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you. [applause]
» Stand here with us. Okay.
Scott Hennis,
>> you're leaving me.
» you're leaving me.
>> I'll be back. [laughter]
» I'll be back. [laughter]
>> He has served two terms on the plan uh
» He has served two terms on the plan uh
parks and wreck board and did a
phenomenal job every egg hunt, whatever
we were doing in the parks or whatever.
You could depend on Scott to be there
and we appreciate that.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> And don't be a stranger.
» And don't be a stranger.
>> Oh, no.
» Oh, no.
>> Okay. You'll get sick of me.
» Okay. You'll get sick of me.
>> Okay. Can you get me?
[applause]
» And Michael has not walked in yet.
So
anyway, if everybody will give one more
round of applause for these two for
helping us, being with us.
We could not do our jobs if it was not
for people giving up their their time.
Maybe we can get Michael when he comes
in.
>> Okay. All right.
» Okay. All right.
>> Thank y'all. Thank you.
» Thank y'all. Thank you.
>> See you soon.
» See you soon.
>> Okay.
» So, We have the proclamation.
>> Oh, mayor.
» Oh, okay.
» Y'all bear with me.
>> We'll get organized. [laughter]
» We'll get organized. [laughter]
>> All right.
» All right.
Proclamation.
Could I have all the members of the
Honor Flight come up of the Capefar to
come up with me, please?
Bob, you going to read that for me?
>> I got it.
» I got it.
>> Oh, okay.
» Oh, okay.
Come over here.
If y'all have never been to see the
Honor Flight, come home
at the airport, you do not know what
you're missing. These guys do a
phenomenal job to welcome back people
that did not get welcome back in the 70s
when they came home. Ruth,
» come here.
>> Come here.
» Come here.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
All right.
Leland, you want to take it?
>> Sure. Good evening, madame mayor and
» Sure. Good evening, madame mayor and
fellow council members, members of our
community. Tonight is our distinct
privilege to recognize an organization
whose mission reminds us of the debt and
gratitude that we owe the men and women
who served our nation with courage and
sacrifice. Honor Flight of the Capefir
area provides our veterans with
something truly priceless. The
opportunity to visit the memorials in
Washington DC that were built in their
honor. For many, this journey is far
more than a trip. It's a chance to
reflect, to reconnect with fellow
veterans, to find healing, and to
receive the gratitude of a nation they
helped protect.
These flights are made possible by an
extraordinary team of volunteers,
organizers, guardians, donors, and
community supporters who generously give
their time and resources so that our
veterans can experience the recognition
they have earned. As a community, we are
proud to celebrate not only the veterans
who have participated in these missions,
but also the dedicated individuals
behind Honor Flight of the Capefir area,
whose commitment ensures that the story,
sacrifices, and service of our nation's
heroes are never forgotten. Please join
me in recognizing the organizers and
participants of Honor Flight of the
Capefir area for their unwavering
unwavering dedication to serving those
who have served us all.
» [applause]
[applause]
» And for the founder and president, Mrs.
Ruth Rabbit Smith, we have the following
proclamation. Whereas the Honor Flight
of the Capefir area is an allv volunteer
nonprofit organization dedicated to
honoring American veterans by providing
them the opportunity to visit the
memorials in Washington DC built in
tribute to their service and sacrifice.
I have here to set my hand and caused
the seal of the town of Leland, North
Carolina to be affixed this 16th day of
July 2026. Mayor Brenda Boseman.
[applause]
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
You just know this touches my heart. My
brother's been on that flight. Is there
anyone in the audience that's been on it
before?
[laughter]
» And you?
>> And is this coming Saturday?
» And is this coming Saturday?
>> What's that?
» What's that?
>> When is the next one?
» When is the next one?
>> We haven't announced it yet.
» We haven't announced it yet.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Count on April and not Easter Passover.
» Count on April and not Easter Passover.
>> You can count it on it being in April.
» You can count it on it being in April.
Not Easter, Passover, or Aelia Festival.
Go figure out what date it might be.
>> Please, please keep your ear open for
» Please, please keep your ear open for
that. You will leave there a different
person.
I I I'm telling you, it just touches
your heart. So, and uh to know that when
they came home from service, they were
not treated like we treat them today.
And like I said, my my own brother was
one of them. And it just touches my
heart to see people do something for our
veterans. And we just love you. We love
you.
>> We love you.
» We love you.
>> So appreciate this.
» So appreciate this.
>> One more. One more hand.
» One more. One more hand.
[applause]
so much.
» Michael's here.
>> Don't leave.
Okay.
>> Okay.
» Thank you.
>> It is our fundraising leader on our
» It is our fundraising leader on our
board. And then
>> Karen Taylor just came on our board. You
» Karen Taylor just came on our board. You
know Karen?
>> Yeah. Yeah. She just came in with her
» Yeah. Yeah. She just came in with her
dad. She just got on the board, too.
>> Yay. We got a great
Mr. [laughter]
» That's what my husband says all the
time.
>> I do. Bob Lynn, I need you to come.
» I do. Bob Lynn, I need you to come.
Thank you.
Is there any members here? Present, past
or future economic development
committee.
We appreciate the work that you have
done and are doing for our town.
[snorts] If we could have Michael Brdock
join us.
Michael has served two terms on our
economic development. Stuck with us. I I
think you were on the planning board
years ago, too.
>> No, just TDA.
» No, just TDA.
>> TDA. That's right.
» TDA. That's right.
>> I knew it was one of them.
» I knew it was one of them.
>> Yeah.
» Yeah.
>> But we want to give you this as a token
» But we want to give you this as a token
of our appreciation for all that you've
done for our town.
>> Thank you so much. you uh you moved your
» Thank you so much. you uh you moved your
business and your residence somewhere
else, but you were still trying to help
Leland and we appreciate that so much.
>> Thank you so much.
» Thank you so much.
>> So, thank you
» So, thank you
>> from everybody.
» Thank you.
Also,
we did uh have another person to get an
award for the parks and wreck board, but
he's couldn't make it tonight. And that
was Mr. Michael Long
um product. No,
>> Michael.
» Michael.
>> Yeah, Michael Long. I had it right. All
» Yeah, Michael Long. I had it right. All
these Michaels that we've got around
here almost as much as Tracy's. All
right. Next, let's talk about the Leland
event. Who wants to talk about that?
Mayor and council staff just wanted to
remind the public that the council had
scheduled these Let's Talk Leland events
quarterly and the next one will be held
on July 29th at 6 o'clock at the Leland
Fire Station.
I'm sorry. Station 51.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Yes. Was there something you wanted to
» Yes. Was there something you wanted to
say, Miss Carter?
>> I'm was wondering if your mic was on it.
» I'm was wondering if your mic was on it.
You were not that loud. I just want to
make sure everybody got it.
Okay.
So, the next quarterly event will be
held on Wednesday, July 29th at six
o'clock at Leland Fire Station 51. And
Mayor Boseman and Council Member Carter
will be at that event and look forward
to those who could come on out and
engage with them. Okay.
>> Thank you, Sabrina.
» Thank you, Sabrina.
>> You're welcome.
» You're welcome.
>> Upcoming events.
» Upcoming events.
That's what I was looking for earlier.
Good evening, Mayor and Council. Like to
share with you some upcoming events that
we put together for the next couple of
weeks as we get through July and for the
first three quarters of August. So,
starting on July 18th from 10:00 a.m. to
12 pm, we have a seasonal ceramics
workshop making fairy houses at the
LCAC. We are starting uh piloting a
couple programs for our culinary
interests. So on July 20th from 6:00 to
7:30 p.m. we have sourdough for
beginners at the art center. We have
candy bar bingo on July 23rd from 6:00
to 7:30 p.m. as well as uh family clay
day from on July 25th from 10 to 11 a.m.
I am excited to share more information
for the Founders Park grand opening uh
on July 31st from 5 to 8:00 p.m. We will
have uh several food trucks there on
site. will have over 25 community
organizations, several activities, um
games, and um prizes for folks to win uh
and to speak with the community and
participate uh with several different
organizations that represent the Leland
community. And closing out that night
from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m., we'll have our
first performance out there on the
amphitheater, which will be the Embers
featuring Craig Ward. So, they'll be
here um to help orchestrate the night
and we'll also have uh WCT there as a
co-sponsor. They'll be doing live shots
throughout the night and we and we'll be
filming live from Founders Park. So,
we're super excited about that. Again,
that'll be July 31st from 5 to 8:00 p.m.
We will have parking on site. However,
we are also encouraging people to park
um at First Baptist Church and we'll
have uh shuttles running to uh North
Brunswick High School as well for
overflow parking.
On uh from August 1st to September 3rd,
we'll have the Sabine Beckman Gallery at
the Art Center. And then on August 1st
from 12 to two, Jackie O my pearls which
is a jewelry class, a modern twist on
the three strand um pearl u beaded
jewelry and so have a class there. The
gallery reception for Miss Sabine will
be on August 6th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m.
Story time at the art center August 8th
12 to 1. We have a really cool class
called Changing Oceans on August 17th
from 6:00 to 7 PM. This is actually a
class put on by the Fort Fiser Aquarium
folks. As you all know, the aquarium is
closed for a very long and extensive
renovation. They've moved a small
exhibit to the mall in Wilmington, but
they're doing a class with us to talk
about the changing oceans are also
bringing in some of that maritime life
for kids to interact with. And so that's
on August 17th from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m.
Another step in our culinary
programming, fermentation 101. This
class is for how to make kombucha.
>> Uh and so that'll be [laughter]
» Uh and so that'll be [laughter]
>> kombucha.
It's very good for your summit.
>> August 18th from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m.
» August 18th from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m.
>> Korean food.
» Korean food.
>> And that'll be at the art center.
» And that'll be at the art center.
>> It is.
» It is.
>> Last two things for you. August 19th
» Last two things for you. August 19th
from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. we have a paint
pouring class for vases and lastly
seasonal greeting cards on August 20th
6:00 to 8:00 p.m.
>> And what what was that culinary
» And what what was that culinary
>> Mr. Mr. Sutton I'm sorry to clear up
» Mr. Mr. Sutton I'm sorry to clear up
just so we keep open meetings uh don't
fail any open meetings laws since there
were three of us discussing it uh am I
correct kamuka is a drink not not Korean
food. [laughter]
>> Okay cabbage
» Okay cabbage
>> correct? Yes. Yeah,
» correct? Yes. Yeah,
>> made from cabbage.
[laughter]
>> I might have to check that out. And when
» I might have to check that out. And when
is that one?
>> It is uh August 18th from 6:00 to 30 6
» It is uh August 18th from 6:00 to 30 6
to 7:30 p.m. at the art center. You'll
learn how to make your own kombucha. I
won't get into the details because it
might gross you out now, but when you go
to the the class, you'll learn all about
it. It's very healthy for you, and
you'll learn to make your own.
Maybe I'll just go and watch.
>> Is it legal? I see you're fermenting it.
» Is it legal? I see you're fermenting it.
>> It is.
» It is.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> That's interesting.
» That's interesting.
>> Can't wait to check it out. Yeah, I'll
» Can't wait to check it out. Yeah, I'll
stand in the corner and watch.
>> Yeah. Awesome. And also, I wanted to
» Yeah. Awesome. And also, I wanted to
share um not on your sheets, but uh more
information to come. Now that the
amphitheater is complete and Founders
Park will be open, we will have more
information on future concerts. We are
um targeting several more through summer
and into fall and so you'll see more
information to come about who those um
those bands and performances will be in
the upcoming weeks.
>> Thank you so much.
» Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
>> Wow.
» Wow.
>> Next we have a presentation from Bess
» Next we have a presentation from Bess
Blackburn on Leland Area Garden Club.
Hey, I want to thank everyone. Thank
you, Madame Mayor. Thank you, council,
city, and town of Leland, which is
becoming a big city now, and all the
citizens that are here tonight. My name
is Bess Blackburn. I'm with the Leland
area garden club. and we were founded
just recently and received our 5013C
nonprofit status in March of this year.
So, let me find my picker here.
I'm going to tell you a little bit about
the Leland Area Garden Club. Um, again,
it's a 5013C nonprofit. Our mission is
to preserve and enhance the natural
beauty of Leland in North Brunswick
County. Our members will be improving
public spaces, educate residents, and
foster environmental stewardship. We are
seeking partnerships that strengthen our
civic pride and community quality of
life.
Our mission is this to inspire a love of
gardening, conservation, environmental
stewardship to enhance community beauty
through education, volunteerism, and
partnerships. to promote native plants,
pollinators, bluebirds, and healthy
public spaces.
Why should the town partner with the
garden club? Um, well, I was a I still
am a member of the Katefir Garden Club
in Wilmington. Um, that garden club has
been in existence for a hundred years.
We just celebrated our 100th year
anniversary this past year. And, um, I'm
still a member. I joined when I was a
resident of Wilmington. I lived in
Leland, moved to Wilmington, then moved
back to Leland. Um, so they have been
very supportive. We saw that there was a
need to have a Leland area garden club.
Um, the Katefield Garden Club does not
allow anyone from Brunswick County to
join. So, we thought, well, we need to
have our own. and they have been very
supportive and very helpful um for this
endeavor that that we have taken on. So,
um we want to basically emulate a lot
what the Capefir Garden Club does for
Wilmington and they do a lot um a lot of
civic partnerships as far as putting in
pollinator gardens, native plant gardens
within the town of Wilmington. Um they
sponsor the garden club tours which are
tours of gardens with within the
Wilmington area and they do a lot of
education and outreach. So that's
basically what we are proposing to do
for the town of Leland.
So we are a nonprofit structure that can
support grants, donations, and
sponsorships. So we have a lot to offer
the town.
Community beautifification. That's one
of our main goals. Um, Leland's growing
at a rapid pace. We all know it, we see
it, we live it every day. We need to
maintain our beauty. We need to beautify
certain areas that are starting to look
a little little shabby. Um
so some of the things that we are seeing
as problem areas are um village road
where the commercial areas are as well
as highway 17 where the commercial areas
are and we really want to enforce and
educate not enforce but we really want
to educate and inspire businesses to
beautify their areas.
Um so that's part of our community
beautifification project.
Um, one of our signature projects is the
Leland Bluebird Trail Initiative. Um,
recently I have partnered with the 4H
Club of Brunswick for Brunswick County
and those kids are so excited to build
bluebird boxes. um we are furnishing
them with all the materials and on
August 7th they are holding a workshop
down in Bolivia at their agriculture
center and we've got about 10 kids
signed up already to build bluebird
boxes. So we've got enough materials for
them to build 20. Now we don't want to
stop there. We also
um we also want other clubs and
organizations to participate as well.
We really envision a bluebird box trail.
Um I know someone in mapping with the
county and she has offered to do the
mapping for that which is really a cool
thing. So we really want to engage like
boy scouts churches um workshops at the
Leland Cultural Arts Center. We really
want to get the community involved with
this. Bluebirds are a very special part
of our conservation.
Um, at one time they were becoming
endangered,
but now with people putting out more and
more bluebird nesting boxes, they're
starting to make a comeback and we
really want to position them as a symbol
of conservation in in our area.
We also are want to propose putting in a
bluebird camp at Founders Park.
The reason for choosing Founders Park is
it's just an incredible area where
people are coming together. Um, and it's
also secure. There's cameras. It's it's
pretty secure. Police station nearby.
Um, so we hope that nobody would would
meddle with it. But we want this cam to
have a link where people from all around
the country can go in and look at the
bluebird cam in Leland and watch the
nesting pro uh process occur. And we
really want to build excitement to that.
So that is something that we are also
proposing.
Um pollinator partnerships
um as we know our natural pollinators
are on the decline. bees, butterflies,
um with all of the construction and
development, they're they're really
taking a toll. So, we really want to
encourage pollinator gardens
um for butterflies, bees, and beneficial
insects and use educational plant labels
to educate the public on what these
plants are. And we want to really
encourage home owners and businesses to
add pollinator friendly plants, HOAs,
um, businesses, etc.
Okay. Um, education and outreach. That's
our primary primarily what we're all
about. And we want to have monthly
educational programs and guest speakers.
um native plant, bluebird and pollinator
workshops,
senior outreach and intergenerational
programming
using the Leland Culture Arts Center
hopefully and um garden visits,
demonstration, hands-on learning
opportunities.
Here's one thing that we're proposing
too, and this is something along the
line when I was talking about the
commercial areas needing to be spruced
up a little bit. We want to do a annual
recognition for attractive commercial
landscaping and call it the beauty spot
award. Uh we would not be able to do
this in pro until 2028.
Um it just involves a lot of planning.
So, we want to promote and inspire
businesses to polish up and make their
areas beautiful. And in doing so,
whoever the the winners are, they will
be um honored through media, social
media, and community recognition. Um so,
we really want to connect the
beautifification with economic
development and tourism.
this.
Um, in 2028, we'd also like to have a
home garden and farm tours of the North
Brunswick County area. So, we'd like to
feature outstanding home gardens along
with farms. Farms are a little bit of a
different twist. Um, Wilmington has we
with the garden club in Wilmington, we
have our home and home garden tour, but
we want to extend this out to our
beautiful farms in the area. Uh we've
got some incredible farms. Um Shelton
Herb Farm, she's interested in being on
it. Um Northwest, um there's a a venue
out in Bolivia that they're interested.
She's a master gardener. Um so we really
want to enhance the area and make it
make it ongoing every year by doing
this. Make it a recurring event for
Leland and North Brunswick County.
The economic and community benefits of
partnering with the garden club are are
very strong. Um, beautiful communities
attract residents, visitors, and
investment. Public gardens and events
support local businesses and tourism.
Volunteer projects multiply the impact
of public resources.
Visible stewardships strengthens pride
and belonging. educational programs
support long-term environmental
responsibility.
Here's our five-year strategic plan. In
2027, we'll be launching the Bluebird
Trail and install, if we have your
approval, Founders Parks Bluebird Camp.
In 2028, begin home garden and farm
tours and beauty spot awards. 2029,
expand pollinator gardens and community
education.
2030 grow civic partnerships and
volunteer programs.
2032 become North Brunswick County's
premier environmental nonprofit.
We really want to work together with to
create a greener Leland. Um town of
Leland Parks and Recreation is very
important to us. are Brunswick County
schools or 4 programs, home local
businesses and sponsors, homeowner
associations and civic organizations,
other garden clubs, conservation groups
and residents we all want to partner
with.
Imagine Leland in 2032.
Bluebirds nesting throughout our parks
and public spaces. Pollinator gardens
across Leland and North Brunswick
County. Awardwinning commercial
landscapes recognized each year. Annual
garden and farm tours drawing residents
and visitors. Residents working together
to build a greener, healthier Leland.
Thank you so much. Appreciate that.
>> Thank you, B.
» Before you go,
>> yeah,
» yeah,
>> I got a couple
» I got a couple
>> questions, items, whatever.
So, you are the uh bluebird expert, I
guess, what I'm going to classify you
as. And I just actually just built one
and put in my backyard. Uh how long does
it take for a on average for a bird to
establish a nest in that uh
>> in that new home?
» in that new home?
>> Yeah, great question. Um I'm so glad you
» Yeah, great question. Um I'm so glad you
asked that because there's so many
questions that people have about
bluebirds. Now, people think, "Oh, I
just have to wait till the spring to put
up a bluebird box." But what happens as
soon as you put a box up any time of the
year, bluebirds will start checking it
out. You'll see them flutter around.
They're looking for their next home.
They're looking for their next nesting
spot. So, this might happen for a while,
for few weeks or so, and then they'll go
in and you'll start seeing them with
something in their beaks and they're
starting to nest. They're starting to
build their nest. So, that process can
take some time. Um, you imagine a little
bird, little beak building this nice
nest. And then for incubation time, it's
about two weeks for the eggs to to
hatch. And then the mother and father
will continue to feed the bluebirds and
then they'll finally fledge uh fledge
the nest. So please put up your bluebird
boxes.
>> Are they are they um
» Are they are they um
I don't want to say territorial, but do
they pretty much stay in the same area
year after year?
>> They do. They do. Um, but they will they
» They do. They do. Um, but they will they
will migrate to other areas as well.
>> Um, but once they found their home, they
» Um, but once they found their home, they
usually come back to that home and and
continue nesting. It's important to
clean the box out after they nest. Um,
but yeah, we have one and they're just
always dancing around it and around it
all year round.
Have you given any thought to uh working
with uh the horiculture folks at
Brunswick Community College?
>> Yes. Um in fact, I'm going to be taking
» Yes. Um in fact, I'm going to be taking
their master gardener course in January
or I've signed up. Hopefully I'll be
elected to to take it.
>> Um my background, my first job was in a
» Um my background, my first job was in a
garden center and horiculture. I worked
for a a landscape architect and managed
his garden shop when I was a kid. And
then later on in college, I'd come back
and work summers. But um yes, in fact, I
I will be down there again the 7th for
the 4 club. Um they're building bluebird
boxes for us. So yeah, I'm in involved
with some partnerships with them. Yeah.
And one last thing about it's been
probably eight years ago, maybe
somewhere right in there. We as council
talked about
doing something to beautify Village
Road. And of course, now we have this
great park over here that we hope more
folks would Yeah. would come by. And we
would certainly like to make that look
uh that whole road uh look presentable
and and beautiful. And so I kind of look
forward to uh our folks uh partnering
with uh with the uh organization, your
organization, and see what we can do to
>> Oh, we'd love that.
» Oh, we'd love that.
>> Brighten that up.
» Brighten that up.
>> Yeah, we would love that.
» Yeah, we would love that.
>> Bob Coron was big on hanging flower pots
» Bob Coron was big on hanging flower pots
and stuff. Anybody else got any
questions?
>> Questions?
» Questions?
>> Thank you, Beth.
» Thank you, Beth.
>> You're welcome.
» You're welcome.
>> Thank you. Appreciate y'all.
» Next, as we go into public comment, um
when you hear your name called, if
you'll come over to [clears throat] the
podium, um and remember, please be
respectful of others. And um no name
calling. You're talking to council.
You're not talking to an individual out
in the audience. you're talking to us.
So, um, sub David, you got the names.
[clears throat]
>> Yes, ma'am. First up, we have Pastor
» Yes, ma'am. First up, we have Pastor
Dusty Smith.
>> Good evening, folks. Unfortunately, he
» Good evening, folks. Unfortunately, he
had an emergency and had to leave.
>> Okay. Uh, next up, we have Brighton
» Okay. Uh, next up, we have Brighton
Willis.
» Good evening, Madame Mayor, council
members.
My name [clears throat] is Brighton
Willis. I am a retired US Army Corps of
Engineers
manager. Um,
>> excuse me, Mr. Willis, would you speak
» excuse me, Mr. Willis, would you speak
into the
>> Yeah, thank you.
» Yeah, thank you.
>> Got it.
» Got it.
>> Yeah. We just want to make sure the
» Yeah. We just want to make sure the
folks at home can hear you.
>> We ready?
» We ready?
During my career, I worked on uh
numerous studies, reviews, designs, and
the construction of major public
infrastructure projects.
Over the past few years, I've researched
uh the history and technical background
of the Capefir Memorial Bridge
replacement, Capefir crossing proposal,
the Wilmington Harbor Navigation
Project, and many related transportation
decisions that have shaped where we are
today.
representing the town. I also served on
the citizens advisory committee for the
WNO 2045
Metropolitan Transportation Plan Update.
I previously emailed each of you through
the mayor a copy of a white paper and
tonight I'm providing you with a printed
version of that cop uh that white paper.
The paper examines the interreationship
between navigation, regional freight
movement, transportation and planning,
and long-term bridge financing.
It also references references historical
planning documents, including the town
of Leland's recent resolution to help
place these issues in their broader
historical and regional context.
My purpose is to place this paper into
the public record and to offer it as a
resource for the council and the public
as an important regional transportation
issues continue to be discussed.
Thank you for your time,
your public service,
and your consideration.
>> Thank you, Mr. Willis.
» Thank you, Mr. Willis.
>> Thank you.
Next up, we have Lewis Hermati.
And anyway, before I start, I'd like to
ask uh the mayor or the town manager if
I could take a moment to honor myself
for serving in Vietnam. As you notice,
55 years ago, thousands of us came back
and for 30 years or 35, we were never
recognized. And it was painful
experience coming back and having that
long-term uh non-recognition. But now it
doesn't bother me. When they start
recognizing us, it it really didn't help
me too much, hurt me or anything that
I'm over it. I just thought I'd mention
that.
>> Thank you for your service, Louis.
» Thank you for your service, Louis.
>> All right. So today I'm talking about
» All right. So today I'm talking about
the American crisis. America has had
three major political crisis. The
American Revolution, the Civil War, and
the Progressive Socialist uh communist
war on religion, morality, individual
freedom, and liberty. The early
progressives advocated democracy, but
they but not a republic. They did
support God and country. Early
progressive policies were women's
suffrage, social justice, workplace
safety, social welfare, education
reform, economic reform such as
progressive tax, income redistribution,
universal health care, universal income,
antitrust, regulating businesses, and
taxing the 1%. The new radical left of
today intends to transform, replace
family, culture, all uh fundamental
principles and structures. They don't
support God and country. In the new de
democratic, excuse me, the new
democratic people rule, excuse me, a new
democracy, people rule, not our
republic. The new democratic party is
the democ democratic socialist of
America. They are woke going for broke.
Uh, no police in jails, no god and
country, no borders, language and
culture. Wokeism is their name,
environmentalism is their game, LBGTQ is
their family, God and Christianity is
their enemy. Racism, social justice is
their battlecry and perversion is their
style. They are projecting, they're
rejecting all traditional values. Today,
America is broken. the family, the
church, government, education, and most
institutions. They lack moral and
spiritual character because there's no
school prayer, no ten commandments, no
natural rights, no freedom of speech,
cancel culture, woke ideology, truth is
muted, constitution is canceled in most
places. American except exceptionalism
is attacked. Teachers unions are run by
communist. Social school systems don't
allow constitutional truth. Wave radio
cancelled my 23 and 26 constitutional
ads, social media monitor speech and
Magnum Greens board disapprove my
constitutional class. Marxists cancelled
our history, our heroes, our statues and
our values. They re they re-educated
their children. They preach class
warfare. I'm done. Okay.
>> Thank you, Lois.
» Thank you, Lois.
>> Thank you.
» Thank you.
[clears throat]
Next we have Barry Long.
Good evening, Mayor, council members.
Two uh three things I wanted to talk
about tonight. One was closed sessions.
Um, and specifically,
why, and this is the second time I
brought this up, why are close sessions
not put at the end of the schedule of
the agenda? Why do you have twohour
closed sessions after the first 25
minutes of a meeting? It makes no sense.
I've asked this before. I believe the
town manager is the one that makes the
schedule, but you guys are the ones that
are supposed to be directing how that
schedule should be set up, at least in
broad terms. So, please think about
this. People don't want to hang out from
the public for two hours to hear the
majority of the meeting at the end of
the night or afternoon.
So, you heard it last time, nothing
happened. I'm asking again.
District voting.
Council member Pendleton made a motion
at the June 18th meeting uh for a
moratorum on all discussions
on district voting until the 2030
census.
I don't understand if the issue is dead,
why wasn't there a second and why wasn't
it passed?
And Mr. hire in particular who I know is
opposed or who said he was opposed also
was silent. So I don't know if you just
go along and get along. Is that your new
deal or not? But it's not very
attractive. We're helpful.
Last one is performance appraisals.
The July 13th council meeting.
Again, Mr. Pendleton asked for a closed
session
uh to be included
so that uh council members could review
Mr. Hollis's performance appraisals. I
don't know if they even exist based on
what I saw um Miss Boseman, it sounds
like from what you said at the agenda
meeting that he gets a performance
appraisal every November.
Now if that's inaccurate, I'd like to
know that. But it sounds like at least
he's getting one if that's true because
that's what you said every November.
And if he is, then certainly council
members who supervise Mr. Hollis ought
to be knowing what his goals and
objectives are and if he's meeting them.
And they can't do that if they can't see
the appraisal because the appraisal, for
instance, the most recent one would have
had those things in it.
So, aren't any of you interested about
what what his goals and objectives are
and if he's meeting them? Why wouldn't
you have a closed session? I don't get
it. It just doesn't make sense. It's
childish. You're all acting childish in
my opinion. Thank you.
Next we have Rhonda Florian.
The town council is the employer of the
town manager. The council hires and
fires the town manager, negotiates the
contract with the town manager, and
conducts periodic performance reviews of
the town manager while maintaining
records of these reviews. As the
employer of the town manager, any
council member is entitled to inspect
performance review records. The push
back to Mr. Pendleton's request to
inspect these records is astonishing.
Why is the town concealing this? In a
previous life, I was president of a
nonprofit corporation. My recording
secretary had a mantra. If it's not in
the minutes, it didn't happen. To apply
her mantra to performance review
records, if there are no records, it
didn't happen. The average time one
person holds the petition position of
town manager is five to six years. Mr.
Hollis has been town manager for 15
years. Usually the town council
negotiates a contract with the town
manager that has an end date. At the end
of that contract, the council negotiates
a new contract or hires a new town
manager. Mr. Hollis's current contract
is open-ended with no date.
Does the council consider his position
to be permanent? In 15 years, Mr.
Hollis's salary has nearly tripled from
its original $95,000.
The September 2025 Leland employee
comprehensive list puts Mr. Hollis's
base salary at $245,122.
$42,000
more than Governor Josh Stein's 2025
salary. His bonus of $39,88
exceeds the annual salary of many Leland
taxpayers. The $ 58,69
contributed to his retirement fund last
year is more than many people receive in
their entire career.
>> [snorts]
» [snorts]
>> The council's failure to properly
» The council's failure to properly
oversee the town manager is a derelction
of duty.
This obstruction of Mr. Pendleton's
request to inspect records of
performance reviews, if any, exist,
is seriously disturbing and should be
the subject of an investigation.
Madame Mayor, that's all who has signed
up tonight. You ask now if there's
anyone else who would like to speak.
>> Yeah. Is there anyone else that would
» Yeah. Is there anyone else that would
like to speak? Okay. Go to podium,
please.
I wore my uh heels today because the
last time I couldn't reach the
microphone.
So, um, just just wanted to reiterate, I
looked at the, uh, Mr. Hollis's
contract, and Mr. Hollis, you do a good
job as far as I'm concerned, but the
contract says two performance reviews
will be conducted each year by the town
council. Now, I just heard that there's
only one being done in November. So, I'm
not sure. We have a contract that says
he needs to have a review uh twice a
year, but um assuming that it's just not
done. Um in [sighs] the many many years
that um I worked as um an administrator
for a hospital,
we would always look at previous year's
performance appraisals before we did the
current year performance appraisals.
That gave us an opportunity to review um
the goals and objectives of that
employee and compare it to what they did
and hopefully um provide some
information for the next year. So having
that information from the previous
performance appraisal is extremely
important especially for the two newbies
who were came in and basically have no
background on what Mr. Hollis's
performance was previously. So I think
it it is extremely important that the
newbies have access to the performance
appraisals if it's not already done.
Thank you.
>> Thank you ma'am.
» Hello council. I'm Jennifer
Brightenbach. I live in Brunswick Forest
and I'm just coming up here right now
because I think it's important for we
the citizens if we have issues to be
able to speak out on them. Um and I I've
already been preceded by one gentleman
who already addressed this issue but it
does concern me that um and I've been
attending the meetings here for a while
um that it was put out um by um Mr.
Pendleton that um he had concern he
would he would have liked to have seen
uh two things concerning um the
districts. Um he would like and
basically the point was the people
should be able to have a say on this and
it's kind of concerning to me that
because in the past we had two people
that voted against the districts and
then the mayor also voted. I thought
that issue was done, but obviously it
wasn't. And then when you brought those
things up, Mr. Pendleton, um, Mr. Leland
in the past voted with you on that, but
then no one voted for that when you
brought it up again. And that kind of is
giving a confusing message to we the
citizens and the taxpayer. Um, it's it's
frustrating and concerning. I'd like
some clarity on that issue and I do
think we should be able to vote on that
because it involves us.
Thank you.
>> Thank you, ma'am. Is there anyone else
» Thank you, ma'am. Is there anyone else
that would like to speak?
» Okay, we'll continue on with the meeting
then. Next, we have approval of the
consent agenda. Is there anything that
anyone wants to take out [snorts] or put
in?
Mayor and councel, does this have a is
anybody got a conflict of disclosure
they need to make?
>> No, no conflict.
» No, no conflict.
>> What What you
» What What you
>> Madam Mayor, what I was going to say, I
» Madam Mayor, what I was going to say, I
don't want to remove anything from the
consent agenda. However, I do want to
make a statement that one of the items
in there calls for the possession and
consumption of the malt beverages and
unfortified wine at Founders Park. At
the May 21st meeting, I spoke out
against this and I just want to go on
record again and say that that I don't
think that that's in the best interest
of our town, but I'm not going to ask
that it be removed from the consent
agenda.
>> Mayor, if I could just um go over the
» Mayor, if I could just um go over the
items that were on the consent agenda
very quickly. Um
>> please. Thank you.
» please. Thank you.
>> We had several um sets of meeting
» We had several um sets of meeting
minutes um for review. We also had a
resolution to accept some grant fund
awards
and then we did, as Mr. Pendleton
mentioned, have a resolution um allowing
two additional dates um for some events
for the consumption of malt beverages
and unfortified wine in Founders Park.
All right. Anybody want to make a motion
or do you is there anybody else that
might have something to add or delete?
» Motion to approve the consent agenda as
presented.
>> Second.
[clears throat] Do we have any more
discussion?
All in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> Any oppose?
» Any oppose?
Motion carries.
» [snorts]
>> Next we have action item property
» Next we have action item property
exchange.
Josh, you handling that? Does anybody
have any disclosure they need to make on
this?
>> No conflict.
» No conflict.
>> No.
» Good evening, mayor and council.
>> Good evening. I will be introducing
» Good evening. I will be introducing
resolution R26-050
authorizing the exchange of real
property. So there are uh three items
that I would like to discuss with you uh
specifically as it relates to this
resolution. Um one will be the history
of this property and how the town became
the land owners. Uh the second thing I
would like to discuss is some of the
conservation efforts that the town uh
took as it relates to this property. And
then lastly, some of the statutory
requirements and procedures as it
relates to uh really any town in North
Carolina wanting to exchange either real
or personal property.
And so um in June of 2004, the town
became the land owner of parcel ID 030
PA803.
That property is kind of located back
this way off of Village Road. It sits to
the east of the veterinary clinic and uh
back in 2004 in a case number filed in
Brunswick County Superior Court,
specifically 04CVS1065.
Um this was a condemnation proceeding.
This is how the town became the land
owner of this piece of property.
And so throughout the years, the um
conservation efforts of the town um
looked at this piece of property as a a
potential conservation area. And so um
the town of Leland had engaged the
University of North Carolina at
Wilmington, specifically the department
of biology and marine biology through
Mr. uh Dr. David Webster. Uh based upon
that survey, it was a HEPU fondal
survey. I probably will not be able to
say that twice. Um, specifically there
were there were two animals, one of
those being the uh Carolina gopher frog
as well as the northern pine snake. And
what this survey was to do was to
determine whether or not this piece of
property would be uh suitable for their
habitat such that this property would uh
remain in in conservation
um as early as um September 2021. and
I'm not sure the status now, but the
Carolina gopher frog was listed as
endangered and the northern pine snake
was listed as threatened.
Um, however, based on this survey, this
site was not suitable as a potential
habitat um for those uh for the gopher
frog and the pine snake.
Um, however, the the town would still
like to have a presence in that area for
conservation. And so that brings me back
to
this exchange of property.
As you can see here, um there are some
dimensions and the next slide will
actually show the two properties that
are proposed to be exchanged. Um but I
just wanted to put this here because it
does have the uh dimensions and and and
the feet, if you will. But in turning
your attention to this next slide,
the property currently in blue is the
town of Leland's property. As you can
see, kind of to the left of that
um is an easement. And so in blue, it
does not actually touch village road.
However, that easement does give access
to the town if the town needed to take
any sort of um you know, trimming or
cutting down of trees and and things of
that nature. But if you look to um all
the way to the left, that green strip is
the proposed exchange of property. Um
and what that would do is that would
certainly allow the town to continue to
maintain a presence in that area for any
sort of potential conservation efforts.
Um or you know really anything that the
town would uh desire in the future.
And so,
uh, the other property that the town is,
um, looking at the exchange of property
on would be parcel ID 030
PA8
that is owned by GR508
Enterprise LLC.
Uh, in speaking to some of the statutory
requirements and the procedures, um,
again, as I mentioned, that relates to
any sort of town that wants to exchange
property. Uh the controlling statute is
North Carolina General Statute 168A-271
and there are uh three items that are
required in order for a town to consider
exchanging the property. One of those is
there has to be a description. The
property has to be described and so uh
specifically when I mentioned the parcel
ID as as well as the owners u that would
meet the description requirement. Uh the
second thing would be what is the value
of this property? Uh what is the
consideration? And so there was a North
Carolina state certified general real
estate appraiser by the name of Samuel
Pate. Uh appraisal number A-7281.
Um appraisals were conducted on each of
these properties and they were both
determined to have an approximate value
of 177,000.
So the exchange uh would in fact be an
identical valuetovalue exchange.
And the third thing that is contemplated
and required by the statute is uh the
intent of council to consider this
resolution to exchange this property and
that has to take place by at least a 10
days notice. And so if you recall um
last month at the council meeting, I had
introduced this topic to you and um we
elicited the services of our town clerk
who made this posting uh this public
notice specifically in the Star News on
June 29th of 2026 and again uh on July
the 6th of 2026.
Um, but on top of that, we also posted
on the town of Leland's website just
for, you know, further public notice
purposes.
And so the requirements for you all
tonight to consider this exchange of
property is for one, has the statutory
requirements been met. Um, and as I've
just previously mentioned, they have. So
at this time, um, it would certainly be
your, um, determination as to, uh,
whether or not this property needs to be
exchanged. And the recommendation of
staff is that um certainly the statutory
requirements have been been met and for
you all to consider this exchange of
property. Any questions?
» Oh, Frank,
>> could you go back to the map if you
» could you go back to the map if you
would please?
>> Yes, sir. That one?
» Yes, sir. That one?
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, for clarification, and we've
» Okay. So, for clarification, and we've
discussed this before, the town owns the
property in blue and and it's proposed
that we exchange it straight up for the
property in green.
>> Yes, sir.
» Yes, sir.
>> Now, the person that owns the property
» Now, the person that owns the property
in green now, is that also the same
person that owns track A?
>> That's correct.
» That's correct.
>> Okay. And they also own track C down at
» Okay. And they also own track C down at
the bottom.
>> Yes, sir. I believe kind of those two
» Yes, sir. I believe kind of those two
other squares.
>> Yes, sir. Okay. So, assuming that this
» Yes, sir. Okay. So, assuming that this
happens,
what's the proposed value of track A?
How much do you anticipate that track A
will increase in value?
>> Uh, I am not an appraiser, sir. I
» Uh, I am not an appraiser, sir. I
wouldn't even attempt to give an
appraised value for that, but I would
certainly agree that it would be
substantially higher.
>> It's safe to assume that that property
» It's safe to assume that that property
would be substantially higher because
now they have that missing piece. Is
that a fair statement?
Then why does this benefit the town?
We're going to get a piece of property
that's 220t long by 41 ft that is
absolutely not usable. So it would seem
that we are in a position of strength
from a negotiating standpoint. So why
would we why would we simply offer this
up straight up? Why wouldn't we ask for
either cash considerations or track C in
exchange? Well, I would say at least
based on the chapter 168-271 as exchange
of property, it has to meet those three
requirements. But, you know, to your
point as to the benefit of the town, um,
you know, respectfully, that that would
be for council's consideration.
» And last question, do do you have any
idea what the the person that owns track
A, if they assume ownership of the area
in blue, what they intend to do with
that parcel? I've not spoken as to that
individual as far as what their future
plans are. Um but it could be could be
development, it could be conservation,
it could be anything that you know they
wish to do. Certainly there's no
limitations on it, but I do not know
sir.
>> Certainly he could he could build multif
» Certainly he could he could build multif
family homes, he could build apartments,
he could build
virtually whatever he wants or he could
leave it undeveloped.
>> Yes, sir.
Well, I I kind of like it because of the
people that live on that street backing
up to that. It gives them a a a
>> buffer.
» buffer.
>> A buffer. Thank you. Um between them and
» A buffer. Thank you. Um between them and
a business
that uh they didn't want the business to
be expanded years ago because of that.
So I I think they would be more in favor
of this than what they than having it
the way it is. So I I think it's a good
thing
and and it's going to be con
conservation area. So we need more as
much of that as we can get in the area.
If I may, uh, my recollection is the
folks on Woodland Drive approached
council
a couple years ago, I guess, something
like that. And they were concerned about
um that land behind their properties
developing and taking away.
>> That's right. uh some some areas that uh
» That's right. uh some some areas that uh
uh
that they valued for privacy and
wildlife and and so on if I my memory
serves me correctly. So, uh, with this
exchange that that piece of property
does now, uh, establish a a a buffer
that allows those people their privacy
and, uh, so it's not a,
does it benefit the whole town? I don't
know. doesn't [clears throat] benefit me
and M and Magnary Greens, but uh it does
benefit
some some citizens of the town who like
me pay taxes, too. So,
I think it's uh you know, we're not
going to make everybody happy. we can
try to take care of where we see a
possible uh
issue and and help those people
address their concerns.
>> Being blue is kind of weird looking
» Being blue is kind of weird looking
the the border lines.
[snorts]
>> Anyone else got anything to say?
» Anyone else got anything to say?
Madame Mayor, was there intent from the
owner of the property in Green to build
on that property or was he going to keep
it somewhat as a an easement?
>> I can't remember all the details, but I
» I can't remember all the details, but I
know that the people were very much
against it because there was no buffers
required, no nothing at that time.
» Regardless, even if he builds on on
tract A, there'd have to be setbacks.
Isn't that correct?
>> There's going to be setbacks on
» There's going to be setbacks on
anything.
Madame Mayor, Mr. Hall, if I understand
correctly, just want to ask there is no,
excuse me, there is no access to our
current property from Village Road
except through the easement. Is that
correct?
>> That is correct. As you can see that in
» That is correct. As you can see that in
blue, it does not actually touch. Um,
however, that easement does allow the
town the right to access that property.
>> Certainly. And after the exchange as
» Certainly. And after the exchange as
proposed, there is um there is access
from village road to the area on the
green. Is that correct?
>> Yes, sir. That's correct.
» How much did we pay for the area in
blue?
It was uh um
a settlement between um a consent order
I believe that was filed in Brunswick,
but I believe the town at that point had
uh deposited I think $40,000 for that
proceeding
>> just for the proceeding the
» just for the proceeding the
>> not the proceeding it went to the um to
» not the proceeding it went to the um to
the owner of the property at the time
that was subject to those
>> that was the fair market value at the
» that was the fair market value at the
time through the condemnation process.
>> Correct. So about $40,000 and the um
» Correct. So about $40,000 and the um
fair market value of both properties now
is what?
>> Exactly 177,000.
» Exactly 177,000.
>> So theoretically this would be a um
» So theoretically this would be a um
profit of about $130,000
if you looked at it that way.
>> It
» It
it's more of an exchange of property.
Yeah, it is. I see where you're
>> Yeah. In other words, we didn't pay fair
» Yeah. In other words, we didn't pay fair
market. We we kind of sort of did, but
we got a piece of property through
condomination.
>> That's correct. And and at that time, um
» That's correct. And and at that time, um
again, like I said, this was part of
imminent domain proceedings. So, the
intent of that property at that time was
for
>> um uh wastewater wetlands um
» um uh wastewater wetlands um
>> mediation, if you will,
» mediation, if you will,
>> more more conservation and remediation
» more more conservation and remediation
for wetlands
>> at that time. That's correct.
» How wet is the area? Do we know?
>> I don't believe I don't believe it's
» I don't believe I don't believe it's
wet.
>> That's years ago
» That's years ago
>> because I know at one point they were
» because I know at one point they were
looking for frogs and other amphibians.
>> That study that I mentioned, it just was
» That study that I mentioned, it just was
not a suitable habitat for those.
» Okay, Frank, do you have something else?
I was going to say if we if we develop
the the property in green or blue is
when we would see the capital gain, but
at this point if we don't plan the build
owner to do anything, then you really
don't see a gain.
So, I think that that the town of Leland
was operating from a position of
strength. We should have asked for more
than simply a non-usable piece of land
because we're going to give that land
owner the missing piece to the puzzle
that's going to allow him to develop
track A
and it's not going to benefit the town
of Leland.
>> Mr. Pendleton, I beg to disagree. In
» Mr. Pendleton, I beg to disagree. In
fact, I would say that the commercial
viability would be tied directly to the
access from Village Road. At present, we
have no access from Village Road.
>> That's what an easement's for.
» That's what an easement's for.
>> Yes, sir. However, we don't we don't um
» Yes, sir. However, we don't we don't um
that is that is just that an easement.
An
>> easement is is a right of way to allow
» easement is is a right of way to allow
you to access the property. If we didn't
have an easement, it'd be different, but
we do. It's a jointly shared easement.
>> Jointly shared and our ability to
» Jointly shared and our ability to
improve it is reduced.
>> Just like Compass Point had a jointly
» Just like Compass Point had a jointly
shared easement to enter in on the east
side.
>> Yes, we do.
» Yes, we do.
>> So, we we've got access to this
» So, we we've got access to this
property. My point is while there
there's a a certain value conveniently
at 177,000 appraised for each property
once this transaction is completed and
that land owner acquires the parcel in
blue track A plus the blue parcel will
cause it to go up in value
substantially.
>> Yes. Which we will then tax.
» Yes. Which we will then tax.
>> That's right. So unless we can unless we
» That's right. So unless we can unless we
can guarantee the taxpayers that we're
not going to increase taxes in the next
budget, I don't see where it benefits
the taxpayers. I think what we should
have done is asked for a track C in
addition to the green piece. At least we
would had a usable parcel on Village
Road that we could have used.
>> We don't know if that was available in
» We don't know if that was available in
the negotiation.
>> Did you say no?
» Did you say no?
>> Because he came to us apparently. We
» Because he came to us apparently. We
didn't go to him. Actually,
what you just said um causes me to beg
to differ with you because um right now
its taxable use is limited because of
the oddly shaped piece of Leland land
that's in the middle of it. Um if we
exchange the property and he now has a
much more usable piece of land that will
be developed into something um then the
taxable property tax that the town would
receive from whatever it is that he
plans to build on it would be
substantially more than what we're
taxing him for now.
>> We don't we don't know what that is.
» We don't we don't know what that is.
It's it's the the infamous marketing and
magic uh wand of future economic uh
viabilities and all that. And I'm not an
economist and I'm not a realtor and I'm
not going to look at fair market versus
future market values. So at this point
um I don't see any real use for us as a
town that we're getting out of this
piece of property right now. Um, at
least we will give the neighbors on um,
Woodland a buffer between whatever goes
there and eventually we'll get some sort
of property tax uh, benefit from a piece
of property that now has kind of this
weird I'm trying to figure out what the
heck I could call that. It's not really
like almost a half funnel or something
shaped property that's smack in the
middle of this other track. But that's
just my two cents.
Okay. Any more?
All right. Does anybody have a motion
they want to make?
» Motion to adopt resolution R26-050
authorizing the exchange of real
property.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> Any discussion?
» Any discussion?
All in favor?
>> I.
» I.
>> Any oppose?
» Any oppose?
>> Nay.
» Nay.
>> Motion carries.
» Motion carries.
We go down into older new business
staff reports are on your iPads.
Mayor, if I could, I just wanted to give
a couple of highlights from the reports.
>> Okay. Um I have from our communications
» Okay. Um I have from our communications
team we had in June our Facebook views
increased 144% from the prior month and
our June Instagram views increased 527%
from the prior month. So something to be
excited about more people are viewing
our posts. So
also want to note that our budget manual
for fiscal year 2627 was published on
the website. So feel free to go online
and look through that. It's um under our
finance department section of the
website.
Uh we also had some data that was
provided by staff in our from the human
human resources department. They had
analyzed some data from January through
June of the prior four years um and came
out with some some good data for u the
organization. our turnover has declined
from 10.3%
um to 5.7% as of the end of the second
quarter of 2026. Um and also our average
employee tenure has increased from 3.7
years to 4.4 years over that same time
period. So
>> thank you Missy.
» thank you Missy.
>> You're welcome. Anybody have any
» You're welcome. Anybody have any
questions on that for Missy?
All right.
So, next we go on to
council comments. Um,
» Mr. Leland.
>> Yes, ma'am.
» Yes, ma'am.
>> State health.
» State health.
>> Yes, ma'am. Um, good evening. This
» Yes, ma'am. Um, good evening. This
morning, my wife and I had the
opportunity to attend the Greater
Wilmington Chamber of Commerce's
healthcare power breakfast where leaders
from healthc care, higher education,
business, and local government came
together to discuss the future of
healthcare in southeastern North
Carolina. And certainly, while I fully
understand that members of the town
council do not establish healthcare
policy, I think we have an important
responsibility to advocate for quality
health care services for the residents
who we represent. healthcare access,
preventative care, and strong regional
partnerships directly impact the quality
of life for the people we serve. And I
believe these are issues worthy of our
attention and support. This evening, I'd
like to highlight several key points
from the discussion because I believe
they underscore the importance of
advocating for accessible, highquality
healthcare for residents of Brunswick
County and Leland. One thing did become
abundantly clear to those of us in
attendance. Our region is at a pivotal
moment in our healthc care history.
Southeastern North Carolina is one of
the fastest growing areas in the state
and with that growth comes increasing
demand for physicians, nurses,
hospitals, specialty care, mental health
services, and healthcare infrastructure.
The challenge before us is not simply
keeping pace with today's growth, but
planning for where our region will need
to be 10 and 20 years from now. One of
the primary topics discussed was the
state certificate of need process, also
known as CO, and the need for additional
hospital capacity. At present, New Hover
County has been identified and has
approve been approved for 225 new acute
care beds to meet future demand. Three
major health care systems have submitted
proposals. A brief review of those. UNCC
Health has proposed constructing a new
150 bed acute care hospital while
expanding outpatient services and
primary care throughout the region.
Atrian Health has proposed of building a
new community hospital in northern New
Hover County that would begin with 42
beds and grow as the community continues
to expand. Novant Health has proposed
expanding its regional medical center
through a $1.6 billion investment that
includes a new heart and vascular tower,
expanded surgical services, a larger
rehabilitation hospital, and additional
outpatient facilities. One statement
that I think was especially was
especially important for those of us
came from Lori Whan, president of Novant
Health Wilmington. When asked about
their plans for serving Brunswick County
residents, she stated that 50%
of their current patients travel to
Wilmington from Brunswick County for
care. Again, Novon is telling us that
50%
of their current patient load are people
from this county and perhaps this
community as well. While each proposal
is different, every organization agreed
on one important point. The health care
needs of our region are growing rapidly
and additional capacity will be
necessary for many years to come.
Perhaps the most exciting announcement
involved education. UNCW continues to
move forward with plans to establish
North Carolina's first new public
medical school in more than 50 years.
The goal is to educate physicians here
in southeastern North Carolina with a
particular emphasis on primary care and
serving rural communities.
In that same spirit of promoting
community health, I am working with a
team from Novant Health to bring a World
Stroke Day event to Leland this year.
Our goal is to provide residents with
stroke prevention education and
convenient screenings for several major
risk factors including corateed artery
plaque buildup and other vascular
conditions. By bringing these resources
directly to our community, we can
encourage early detection, increase
awareness, and help our residents live
longer, happier lives. As someone who
serves this community, I left today's
breakfast very encouraged. I saw healthc
care competitors sitting together on one
stage discussing how they can better
serve our region. I saw educators
I saw educators, business leaders, and
government officials working
collaboratively to address work
workforce shortages before they become
crises. And I saw a shared commitment to
ensuring that southeastern North
Carolina continues to be a place where
families can receive outstanding health
care close to home. The challenges are
significant, but so are the
opportunities. Thank you.
>> Wow.
» Okay. And then next you had
>> uh you had 94, but I'd be happy to go
» uh you had 94, but I'd be happy to go
on. Um I I wanted to just uh clarify
>> I'll wait and do mine after you finish.
» I'll wait and do mine after you finish.
>> Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. I just wanted to
» Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. I just wanted to
to bring up the issue of Citizens
Academy again. As you guys know, we
discussed it during our agenda meeting.
We've been talking about this for some
time, and I just want to make sure that
we're all on the same page about what
our expectation would be from staff at
our August meeting. Um we have discussed
a um a proposed agenda and curriculum.
We did not discuss proposed meeting
dates. Uh which staff would be I guess
it would be operated through the clerk's
office. But what my question tonight is,
would it be possible for us to to begin
uh after this meeting to poll town
council members for possible interview
dates in September with start dates for
participants in September 20 with a
possible start date between September
21st and September 30th. Um I know that
I know how hard the clerk's office works
and I
>> I'm not sure if that date would work or
» I'm not sure if that date would work or
not. I really am going to need a little
bit more time. I understand. If not
those dates, could you give We We've
been discussing and kicking this can
down the road for several months. I just
would like to ask what it might be
reasonable for us to expect from you um
in the next 30, 60, and 90 days on that.
>> Okay. Well, staff can work on providing
» Okay. Well, staff can work on providing
you with an update at the August agenda
meeting and we can talk a little bit
more then about the timeline,
» with the possible start date of when.
[clears throat]
Well, we want to talk first about the
program and how we're going to lay it
out and that's what we would like to
bring forward to you first and then from
there we can go ahead and schedule when
we would started.
>> Is it possible to do that on August the
» Is it possible to do that on August the
20th at our next regular business at our
next regular meeting
>> to talk about the timeline
» to talk about the timeline
>> vision for vision for the project in
» vision for vision for the project in
general? Yes, ma'am.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Okay.
Um, one other thing we talked about, um,
Mr. Hollis, I know we talked about the
beautifification of the 7476 corridor
and and Highway 17. It seems like
several months since we've um brought
that up in in a regular meeting. What
would be reasonable for us to um
discuss? Are you are you looking for
more input from us? Where are we on
that?
>> No. So, we've had some conversations
» No. So, we've had some conversations
with the
>> agenda. Okay. I'm I'm sorry. I
» agenda. Okay. I'm I'm sorry. I
>> Yeah, Madam Mayor, I think we're
» Yeah, Madam Mayor, I think we're
>> allow it though because it's
» allow it though because it's
>> Madame Mayor, I think there was an item
» Madame Mayor, I think there was an item
9.4 that was your item, the shell,
>> and I told him to go ahead with his
» and I told him to go ahead with his
because he had his list,
but that's okay. We'll we'll get it all
straight.
>> Thank you. [clears throat]
» Thank you. [clears throat]
>> All right.
» All right.
So, my
>> I'm sorry. Can we Is it possible for us
» I'm sorry. Can we Is it possible for us
to discuss that or hear what Mr. Holl
was going to tell us about that.
>> Yeah, I'll allow it.
» Yeah, I'll allow it.
>> Yeah. So, we have some we've had some
» Yeah. So, we have some we've had some
conversations with the NC DOT. They have
looked at several locations around the
town for potential wildflower locations
and and things of that sort. there are
very limited uh areas that the DOT is
willing to uh consider for that and our
public works staff is working with them
to see if they can u move forward with
some of those locations to determine if
they would be acceptable or not. So
that's kind of where we are with that
process right now.
>> Okay. When would it be reasonable for us
» Okay. When would it be reasonable for us
to hear from you again?
>> Yeah. So next month we'll we'll be able
» Yeah. So next month we'll we'll be able
to do that. Um, and an overall
beautifification plan was one of the
items that council had asked us about.
That's an item that we're engaged in,
but that's going to not be an item for
next month. That's something that's
going to take a little more time.
>> Okay. When we initially talked about
» Okay. When we initially talked about
that, you asked me what I wanted to see.
At that time, I really um did not have a
vision for that. I kind of do now. And
so perhaps outside of a meeting, you and
I could talk about some ideas that um
that that could be implemented through
through such a
>> certainly welcome to hear any ideas uh
» certainly welcome to hear any ideas uh
anything of that sort when we bring it
back. We'll bring it back for the full
council to consider.
>> Yes, sir. I don't know if they still do
» Yes, sir. I don't know if they still do
it or not, but um I know years ago DOT
if you ordered your license plates with
something personal on it,
the money for that personalized plate
went towards beautifying the roads. Um
I don't know if they still do that or
not, but it might be something to check
into and encourage people to get
impersonal
license plates.
So, all right. I had on their Shell
Bank. Shell Bank's a small community
over in the Westgate area. Um, a few
years ago, they came to us wanting us to
set the roads, but um the there was some
work that needed to be done. The
developer never turned them over to us.
And then he changed something in the
deed or something with where the
apartments's being built behind this
neighborhood could use the roads.
And anyway, they they they feel like
it's hopeless. They don't have the money
to make the changes we want on that one
road. So they asked, could the other
street be taken in by the town?
It's it's two it's two streets and then
the the street kind of behind them is
not really a street. It's just a
drive-thru.
And uh so they asked, "Can we get the
one road done while they're trying to
find a way to do the other road to fix
the things to make the so the town will
take them?"
[clears throat]
Madame Mayor, we would encourage the
HOA, I assume that's who it is, who uh
would like to have that road considered
to contact staff. There is a process for
road dedication. Uh we would, you know,
look at that and go through that process
inspection and everything else that goes
along with it
>> uh and see if it would qualify uh for a
» uh and see if it would qualify uh for a
dedication.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Is this in regard to the email that we
» Is this in regard to the email that we
received from the constituent who
>> No.
» No.
>> Okay. This this is a little small
» Okay. This this is a little small
neighborhood. Very small.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> I think there's like u 40 40 little
» I think there's like u 40 40 little
patio homes or town homes. Okay. Thank
you. Um Mr. Cogginage, you got anything
you want to add tonight?
>> I think this might be the first time in
» I think this might be the first time in
my tenure as your uh attorney uh to take
some time to tell you of a extremely
important legislative development. Okay,
>> that took place a week ago Tuesday.
» that took place a week ago Tuesday.
The legislature passed an amendment to
uh chapter 160D, which is the statute
that governs land development decisions
uh by all municipalities.
It directly affects the functions of the
board of adjustment and as well as
generally planning staff. You may recall
from uh your uh if you would uh go to
school uh instructions about how boards
of judgments are organized. What things
do they decide? They decide primarily
variances
and appeals from certain decisions that
the town makes regarding land
development.
Under the prior statutory
scheme and is held up by case law, if
you were a person that disagreed with
what the town decided on a particular
matter,
you had to file an appeal to the board
of adjustment.
You could not go directly to court. You
had to first file the appeal to the
board of adjustment within 30 days of
the written decision.
And then if you didn't like the outcome
of that, you uh appealed then directly
for judicial review. Okay, that's
complicated enough as it is, but that
particular scheme has been turned on its
head. uh the legislature uh in these
amendments as I read them is that then
someone who is for lack of a better word
dissatisfied
with the decision that the town has
made. Yes, they can still go to the
board of adjustment if they want to, but
if they want to, they can also file a
lawsuit against the town.
And they have three years to do it
without having to go through the
administrative appeal process to the
board of adjustment.
This is a real sea change in procedure
and uh municipalities all across the
state including this one are going to
have to do some serious internal u
discussions about how that affects our
procedures, how we weigh our respective
uh risk involved because that very same
amendment provides
that in the event someone appeals
and wins
on the basis that the town in its
actions exceeded unambiguous
limitations on its authority.
The town has exposure for attorney fees.
Made even more complicated in this is
that an additional tool was added to the
planning department for its decisions.
It now is empowered and in fact must
exercise upon request
to give an interpretive decision
on whether under a certain stated set of
facts
how the town would interpret and imply
and apply one of its land development
ordinances.
In other words, something that is that
was hereto for speculative
town staff was not expected to act on
any particular decisions unless a
concrete proposal an application for a
particular development project was made.
Now
one can put together a for instance a
hypothetical set of facts if you would
and say under these facts how would you
apply the ordinance? what would you
interpret the ordinance to mean? Now, I
think that that can be a very useful
tool um as you know to put together a
development application in certain uh
instances can be a very complex
drawn out and expensive endeavor.
But and sometimes there are instances
where uh the developer for instance
would not want to incur that expense if
it knew in advance what the town's
particular um view was on how would
interpret an ordinance.
Now they have that tool available that
they can ask staff to say okay if this
and this and this and this and this what
does the town say about how our
ordinances would be applied in that
matter. that is deemed to be a final
decision and then they also have the
right to appeal that
>> within three years and if the decision
» within three years and if the decision
is uh made and is found to be in excess
of the town's unambiguous authority.
Okay. Uh we have the exposure for
attorney vis on that. Um, this is a
significant development and I think it's
worthwhile to you be aware of that and
to know the kind of pressures are going
to be placed on your planning department
in responding to this significant change
in the procedural landscape that the
town has to deal with. Um, it's also
important because you're in the midst
right now of having to decide about
amendments to your UDO.
And I don't think uh decisions about
what your UDO uh should be made. Surely
you can adopt it, but don't do it uh
don't adopt it in a vacuum without being
aware of these significant changes.
>> Which which um Bennett state law was
» Which which um Bennett state law was
this? What number?
>> This is session law 2026-41
» This is session law 2026-41
particularly which is an extremely long
session law. But you're only concerned
with sections 39.5.
» Thank you.
>> Somewhat related to that, as you know
» Somewhat related to that, as you know
that in very narrow instances,
municipalities do have the rights uh
some municipalities do have the right of
involuntary annexation. If there if you
call them about urbanization projects
and whatnot, the legislature says that
you can't do that for uh new
subdivisions that are greater than a
thousand acres. and they basically, for
lack of a better word, look and feel
like a town. They have their own police
protection, fire protection, water,
sewer, you know, that kind of thing. Uh
that's something that the town would
want to be aware of if ever it had the
ability to annex restore to it under the
current statutory schemes. Uh but that's
something that your uh neighbor
municipalities are going to be dealing
with as well.
>> Would you mind saying that one more
» Would you mind saying that one more
time? It was a little confusing. there's
a very narrow uh instance left by which
certain municipalities can involuntarily
annex.
Okay. There is protection of a
referendum. You have to have a
referendum that's in in favor of it. Um
but and even then only in a narrow
context though of
urban projects where you're trying to do
urban renewal for blighted areas or
poverty povertystricken areas. All
right. Um, and there's certain criteria
you have to meet. But the legislature
restricted that further, being able to
do that by limiting it by saying, let's
say if a developer comes along is going
to do a huge subdivision that there are,
say, a thousand contiguous acres or
more. Um, and that the services that's
going to be offered by that development
have the look and feel of a town. They
have their own security. They have their
own fire. They have their own um, uh,
water and sewer. those types of things.
You can't annex those in under using
that procedure. That may or may not ever
become relevant to Leland depending what
I do not know what the future holds. But
that's something for you to have in the
back of your mind that also illustrates
to you what the mindset of the general
assembly is. Visav municipalities.
It goes back to my saying again over and
over.
Leland is a creature of statute. It
exists only because the legislature says
it can. It can if it chooses
rule that Leland doesn't have the
ability to exist anymore, will not exist
anymore or it can grant it more powers
if it wants to or it can decrease powers
it gives to it. Okay, this is a
continuing example of this particular
legislature that is well aware of that
power.
>> Mr. Coggins at when I moved here 23
» Mr. Coggins at when I moved here 23
years ago, we were considered a hybrid
state um regarding home rule versus
Dylan's rule.
>> Um is it fair to say that we are moving
» Um is it fair to say that we are moving
because of case law and decisions as
well as our legislative um amendments to
our um general statutes that we are
moving closer and closer to being a
full-blown Dylan's rule state.
I really hesitate to use those labels
because I think in the end they don't
inform.
>> The bottom line is this. You can only do
» The bottom line is this. You can only do
what the statute says you can do. And if
the statute doesn't say you can do it,
you need to think very long and hard
before you do so.
>> Period. You can put any kind of label
» Period. You can put any kind of label
you want it that you want. Home rule,
Dylan's rude, hybrid, I don't care. The
bottom line is what does the statute
say?
>> What does it mean? And do you follow it
» What does it mean? And do you follow it
or not?
I think most academics think that when
you this the general assembly holds the
rules that's more of a Dylan's rule type
of environment.
>> You are a political subdivision of the
» You are a political subdivision of the
state of North Carolina.
>> Yep.
» I have an alibi
buck.
>> Mr. Coggins, I want to go back to kind
» Mr. Coggins, I want to go back to kind
of toward the beginning of your
speech.
Um,
as things seems stood a month ago,
somebody went to uh the planning board
and did a request and was denied. They
had to be then go to the board of
adjustments and if they did not get a
affirmative response from the board of
adjustments, then they could appeal to
uh superior court. That correct?
>> Correct. And they could still do that,
» Correct. And they could still do that,
by the way.
>> Yeah. Okay. So I I
» Yeah. Okay. So I I
>> they can still do that, but they've got
» they can still do that, but they've got
another very important tool now in their
toolbox.
>> They can choose to go to the board of
» They can choose to go to the board of
adjustment if they want to, or
>> they can skip the board of adjustment
» they can skip the board of adjustment
>> and sue in superior court. Before they
» and sue in superior court. Before they
couldn't skip it, okay,
>> now they can sue directly. But get this,
» now they can sue directly. But get this,
though. Here's the here's the kicker.
They've got three years to do it
>> before they at least had to get on with
» before they at least had to get on with
the program,
>> right?
» right?
>> Okay. And file something within the 30
» Okay. And file something within the 30
days. If the developer though doesn't
want to be under that kind of a rush and
to uh wait it out, they can wait up to
three years. So that means that I'm
going to be working hard with staff that
for every major uh development decision
that the town makes there. We have to
have it in a tickler system in there
that make sure we know when the statute
of limitations is run. This is an incre
this is going to be an increased burden
on your staff and I think it's incumbent
upon you to be aware of those pressures
that are on your staff. And again, it
doesn't have to be a formal application.
It can be an inquiry that they to which
they did not like the answer and they
may appeal.
>> I can't predict. Yes. I can't predict
» I can't predict. Yes. I can't predict
how many times, if at all, you will see
that. I think you will see it. Will you
see it often? Probably not. But you will
see it. And that, as you can imagine,
that places interesting dynamics and
pressures on your staff about how to
respond when that request is made.
>> I can see us with a bit more liability
» I can see us with a bit more liability
when you're starting to
give answers to speculative
what if.
>> It sure doesn't decrease your liability.
» It sure doesn't decrease your liability.
>> And I and I went the reason I was asking
» And I and I went the reason I was asking
about the superior court.
I thought we were I thought they were
skipping that by going if they sue they
have to sue through the court.
>> Yes, they do have to go directly to
» Yes, they do have to go directly to
superior court. They can I mean they can
[snorts]
>> they they can also though choose if they
» they they can also though choose if they
wish though to choose to go through the
traditional board of adjustment method
and there's a lot of re uh reasons why
they would choose to do that because for
one thing it's it's faster right than uh
than say just filing a lawsuit uh
without the benefit of a record being
developed
before the board of adjustment. There
are a lot of things for them to weigh as
well about which way they decide to go.
But
before
until July
the 7th,
before that, any time that you made a
developmental uh decision on land
development, a final decision, if 30
days went by, you were pretty much
assured that it was over, right?
>> If nothing happened, that's not true
» If nothing happened, that's not true
anymore. You're going to have to tickle
it into your system that you have three
years.
>> You have, lack of better word, this
» You have, lack of better word, this
sword of damicles hanging over your
head.
>> Yes.
» Yes.
>> Do you see um
» Do you see um
a need perhaps uh for
additional training or information
provided to the board of adjustments?
>> Yes. and uh your staff is probably going
» Yes. and uh your staff is probably going
to be receiving, if they haven't
already, notices from uh the League of
Municipalities and UNCC School of
Government on seminars are going to be
given on this. This is um quite a
change.
>> Is there is there a name yet for the
» Is there is there a name yet for the
statute that you
that you're referencing other than just
the code?
>> No.
» No.
>> I'm just curious, what was the path to
» I'm just curious, what was the path to
law? Did it go through the legislature
and was signed by the governor? Yes.
>> Is this another Senate Bill 382? Um is
» Is this another Senate Bill 382? Um is
there any chance of this um coming
before the general assembly perhaps next
long session and um being amended or
rescended or anything? Is there any
scuttlebutt amongst municipal lawyers?
>> I don't know.
» I don't know.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> It's still it's still way too early.
» It's still it's still way too early.
>> It's still way too early.
» It's still way too early.
>> Okay.
» Okay.
>> Wow.
» Wow.
And thank you. I I hesitate to take your
time, but I felt this was worthy of your
attention. You would want to be aware.
>> Appreciate it.
» Appreciate it.
>> It's time well spent.
» It's time well spent.
>> Yeah, we needed to know that. Okay.
» Yeah, we needed to know that. Okay.
Council got anything else?
>> Yes, ma'am. Um I just want to remind my
» Yes, ma'am. Um I just want to remind my
fellow council members that on Monday,
July 20th at 10 o'clock, um Brezer
County Habitat for Humanity will have a
house dedication.
>> Yes. um which is u the kind of like the
» Yes. um which is u the kind of like the
remember the old TV show move that bus
kind of thing where the homeowner
finally gets the keys and it all comes
together and you know you can get a
little tearyeyed and all that good stuff
that would be the time to do it. So um I
would I plan Lord willing to be there
and I invite not just um council members
but staff and general public and anybody
else is there to if you have mental
habitat home dedication it's a special
moment. How many homes do they have over
there now?
>> Oh my goodness. Um I want to say and I
» Oh my goodness. Um I want to say and I
haven't counted them. There's something
like seven or eight homes, but they've
had I think three [snorts] home ded
there's like three homeowners already in
their homes.
>> Right. Right.
» Right. Right.
>> Yeah. And I know right after this one
» Yeah. And I know right after this one
there should be like another one coming
soon because there were two right
together that were close.
>> Yeah. We had two ground breakings about
» Yeah. We had two ground breakings about
the same time. There there are two that
are pretty close to almost being done
and they told me that they thought it
would be sometime in July, maybe early
August for both of them. So,
>> but it's coming together.
» but it's coming together.
>> It is coming together.
» It is coming together.
>> Yeah, it's rewarding.
» Yeah, it's rewarding.
All right. Is that it?
Do we have a motion to adjourn?
>> So, move.
» So, move.
>> Second.
» Second.
>> All in favor of the motion?
» All in favor of the motion?
>> Any oppose? Motion carries. The next
» Any oppose? Motion carries. The next
meeting date of the town council is
August 20th, 2026 at town hall at 6:00
or shortly thereafter.