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Okay. Good evening. We're going to get

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ready to start the meeting, but before

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we do, I just wanted to see if anybody

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uh wanted to sign up for public comment

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that hasn't done so.

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>> Okay. Well, there will be an opportunity

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» Okay. Well, there will be an opportunity

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for you to sign up um come up

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afterwards. Thank you.

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I call the meeting in order, Mr. Hireer

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is going to say a prayer for the

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council.

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Good evening, Lord. We come to you with

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humble hearts. We thank you for a very

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safe America 250 celebration. We thank

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you for returning us back to the town of

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Leland. We thank you for blessing us and

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we ask that you bless our nation for 250

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years more. In your name we pray. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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» Amen.

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>> Thank you. I could now call this meeting

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» Thank you. I could now call this meeting

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to order at 6 o'clock p.m. And u just

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want to say good evening. Welcome

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everybody for being here. And uh please

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turn your phones on vibrate or turn them

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off so it won't be a disturbance. And um

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just remember we are recorded. anybody

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can record our meetings. So in saying

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that, let's stand for the pledge.

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» I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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Next, we have approval of the agenda.

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Does anybody have any additions or

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deletions?

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>> Madame Mayor, uh I would wish to add an

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» Madame Mayor, uh I would wish to add an

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item uh state of healthc care at new

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business, please.

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>> Where do you want that at?

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» Where do you want that at?

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>> Uh maybe the first item under new

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» Oh, I'm sorry. 9.3 would be fine.

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>> 9.3.

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>> Yes, ma'am.

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>> Anybody else? I have um subdivision

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» Anybody else? I have um subdivision

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Shell Bank I'd like to put under at 9.4

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under new old old business.

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much I'm getting horse again.

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>> the neighborhood Shell Bank.

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>> And then um may I ask to for 9.5

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Citizens Academy.

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>> What kind? Citizens.

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>> Citizens Academy. Yes, ma'am.

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» Okay. Anybody else?

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>> Motion to approve the agenda as amended.

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Thank y'all. Announcements. What we got

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Madame Mayor, we're going to start with

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the recognitions that you have for

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tonight.

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>> Council, y'all want to come down with

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» Council, y'all want to come down with

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me?

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served the town

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for two different uh terms on some

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boards. that we have right now. If I

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could have any, if you serve on a board,

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newly elected or been there uh on the

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board of adjustments,

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would you stand, please?

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Mr. Garvey, I'll have you up here in

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just a minute. What about um

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parks and wreck?

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Thank y'all for for serving on our

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Michael Brdic, is he here yet? I know

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he's on his way.

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Scott Hennis,

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come up and join us up here, please.

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» if you'll come up here with me.

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>> Yeah. And we also have J uh Jean Klene

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that was on board of adjustments, but

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she couldn't be here tonight. But Don,

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you have served our town well. Planning

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board, board of adjustments, over and

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over. You have served us well. And we

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just want to say we appreciate you and

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we thank you.

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>> I have been honored by every

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» I have been honored by every

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meeting I've been to since January of

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2009 to serve this wonderful town. It's

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a gem. Thank you so much.

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>> Thank you. [applause]

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» Stand here with us. Okay.

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>> you're leaving me.

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>> I'll be back. [laughter]

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» I'll be back. [laughter]

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>> He has served two terms on the plan uh

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» He has served two terms on the plan uh

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parks and wreck board and did a

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phenomenal job every egg hunt, whatever

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we were doing in the parks or whatever.

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» Thank you.

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>> And don't be a stranger.

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» And don't be a stranger.

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>> Oh, no.

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» Oh, no.

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>> Okay. You'll get sick of me.

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» Okay. You'll get sick of me.

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>> Okay. Can you get me?

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» And Michael has not walked in yet.

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anyway, if everybody will give one more

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round of applause for these two for

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helping us, being with us.

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We could not do our jobs if it was not

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for people giving up their their time.

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>> Thank y'all. Thank you.

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» Thank y'all. Thank you.

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>> See you soon.

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» See you soon.

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>> Okay.

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» So, We have the proclamation.

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>> Oh, mayor.

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» Oh, okay.

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» Y'all bear with me.

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>> We'll get organized. [laughter]

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» We'll get organized. [laughter]

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>> All right.

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» All right.

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Proclamation.

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Could I have all the members of the

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Honor Flight come up of the Capefar to

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come up with me, please?

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Bob, you going to read that for me?

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>> I got it.

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» I got it.

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>> Oh, okay.

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» Oh, okay.

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Come over here.

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If y'all have never been to see the

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Honor Flight, come home

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at the airport, you do not know what

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you're missing. These guys do a

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phenomenal job to welcome back people

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that did not get welcome back in the 70s

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when they came home. Ruth,

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» come here.

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>> Come here.

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» Come here.

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Leland, you want to take it?

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>> Sure. Good evening, madame mayor and

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» Sure. Good evening, madame mayor and

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fellow council members, members of our

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community. Tonight is our distinct

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privilege to recognize an organization

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whose mission reminds us of the debt and

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gratitude that we owe the men and women

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who served our nation with courage and

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sacrifice. Honor Flight of the Capefir

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area provides our veterans with

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something truly priceless. The

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opportunity to visit the memorials in

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Washington DC that were built in their

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honor. For many, this journey is far

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more than a trip. It's a chance to

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reflect, to reconnect with fellow

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veterans, to find healing, and to

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receive the gratitude of a nation they

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helped protect.

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These flights are made possible by an

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extraordinary team of volunteers,

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organizers, guardians, donors, and

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community supporters who generously give

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their time and resources so that our

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veterans can experience the recognition

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they have earned. As a community, we are

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proud to celebrate not only the veterans

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who have participated in these missions,

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but also the dedicated individuals

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behind Honor Flight of the Capefir area,

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whose commitment ensures that the story,

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sacrifices, and service of our nation's

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heroes are never forgotten. Please join

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me in recognizing the organizers and

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participants of Honor Flight of the

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Capefir area for their unwavering

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unwavering dedication to serving those

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who have served us all.

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» And for the founder and president, Mrs.

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Ruth Rabbit Smith, we have the following

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proclamation. Whereas the Honor Flight

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of the Capefir area is an allv volunteer

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nonprofit organization dedicated to

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honoring American veterans by providing

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them the opportunity to visit the

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memorials in Washington DC built in

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tribute to their service and sacrifice.

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I have here to set my hand and caused

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the seal of the town of Leland, North

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Carolina to be affixed this 16th day of

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July 2026. Mayor Brenda Boseman.

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You just know this touches my heart. My

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brother's been on that flight. Is there

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anyone in the audience that's been on it

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before?

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» And you?

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>> And is this coming Saturday?

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» And is this coming Saturday?

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>> What's that?

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» What's that?

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>> When is the next one?

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» When is the next one?

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>> We haven't announced it yet.

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» We haven't announced it yet.

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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

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>> Count on April and not Easter Passover.

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» Count on April and not Easter Passover.

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>> You can count it on it being in April.

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» You can count it on it being in April.

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Not Easter, Passover, or Aelia Festival.

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Go figure out what date it might be.

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>> Please, please keep your ear open for

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» Please, please keep your ear open for

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that. You will leave there a different

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person.

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I I I'm telling you, it just touches

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your heart. So, and uh to know that when

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they came home from service, they were

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not treated like we treat them today.

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And like I said, my my own brother was

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one of them. And it just touches my

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heart to see people do something for our

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veterans. And we just love you. We love

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you.

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>> We love you.

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» We love you.

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>> So appreciate this.

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» So appreciate this.

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>> One more. One more hand.

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» One more. One more hand.

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[applause]

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so much.

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» Michael's here.

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>> Don't leave.

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Okay.

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>> Okay.

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» Thank you.

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>> It is our fundraising leader on our

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» It is our fundraising leader on our

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board. And then

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>> Karen Taylor just came on our board. You

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» Karen Taylor just came on our board. You

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know Karen?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. She just came in with her

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» Yeah. Yeah. She just came in with her

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dad. She just got on the board, too.

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>> Yay. We got a great

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Mr. [laughter]

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» That's what my husband says all the

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time.

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>> I do. Bob Lynn, I need you to come.

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» I do. Bob Lynn, I need you to come.

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Thank you.

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Is there any members here? Present, past

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or future economic development

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committee.

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We appreciate the work that you have

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done and are doing for our town.

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[snorts] If we could have Michael Brdock

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join us.

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Michael has served two terms on our

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economic development. Stuck with us. I I

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think you were on the planning board

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years ago, too.

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>> No, just TDA.

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» No, just TDA.

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>> TDA. That's right.

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» TDA. That's right.

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>> I knew it was one of them.

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» I knew it was one of them.

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>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.

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>> But we want to give you this as a token

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» But we want to give you this as a token

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of our appreciation for all that you've

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done for our town.

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>> Thank you so much. you uh you moved your

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» Thank you so much. you uh you moved your

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business and your residence somewhere

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else, but you were still trying to help

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Leland and we appreciate that so much.

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>> Thank you so much.

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» Thank you so much.

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>> So, thank you

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» So, thank you

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>> from everybody.

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» Thank you.

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Also,

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we did uh have another person to get an

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award for the parks and wreck board, but

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he's couldn't make it tonight. And that

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was Mr. Michael Long

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um product. No,

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>> Michael.

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» Michael.

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>> Yeah, Michael Long. I had it right. All

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» Yeah, Michael Long. I had it right. All

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these Michaels that we've got around

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here almost as much as Tracy's. All

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right. Next, let's talk about the Leland

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event. Who wants to talk about that?

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Mayor and council staff just wanted to

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remind the public that the council had

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scheduled these Let's Talk Leland events

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quarterly and the next one will be held

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on July 29th at 6 o'clock at the Leland

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Fire Station.

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I'm sorry. Station 51.

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>> Yes.

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» Yes.

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>> Yes. Was there something you wanted to

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» Yes. Was there something you wanted to

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say, Miss Carter?

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>> I'm was wondering if your mic was on it.

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» I'm was wondering if your mic was on it.

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You were not that loud. I just want to

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make sure everybody got it.

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Okay.

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So, the next quarterly event will be

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held on Wednesday, July 29th at six

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o'clock at Leland Fire Station 51. And

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Mayor Boseman and Council Member Carter

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will be at that event and look forward

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to those who could come on out and

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engage with them. Okay.

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>> Thank you, Sabrina.

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» Thank you, Sabrina.

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>> You're welcome.

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» You're welcome.

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>> Upcoming events.

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» Upcoming events.

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That's what I was looking for earlier.

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Good evening, Mayor and Council. Like to

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share with you some upcoming events that

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we put together for the next couple of

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weeks as we get through July and for the

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first three quarters of August. So,

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starting on July 18th from 10:00 a.m. to

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12 pm, we have a seasonal ceramics

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workshop making fairy houses at the

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LCAC. We are starting uh piloting a

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couple programs for our culinary

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interests. So on July 20th from 6:00 to

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7:30 p.m. we have sourdough for

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beginners at the art center. We have

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candy bar bingo on July 23rd from 6:00

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to 7:30 p.m. as well as uh family clay

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day from on July 25th from 10 to 11 a.m.

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I am excited to share more information

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for the Founders Park grand opening uh

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on July 31st from 5 to 8:00 p.m. We will

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have uh several food trucks there on

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site. will have over 25 community

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organizations, several activities, um

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games, and um prizes for folks to win uh

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and to speak with the community and

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participate uh with several different

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organizations that represent the Leland

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community. And closing out that night

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from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m., we'll have our

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first performance out there on the

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amphitheater, which will be the Embers

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featuring Craig Ward. So, they'll be

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here um to help orchestrate the night

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and we'll also have uh WCT there as a

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co-sponsor. They'll be doing live shots

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throughout the night and we and we'll be

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filming live from Founders Park. So,

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we're super excited about that. Again,

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that'll be July 31st from 5 to 8:00 p.m.

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We will have parking on site. However,

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we are also encouraging people to park

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um at First Baptist Church and we'll

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have uh shuttles running to uh North

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Brunswick High School as well for

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overflow parking.

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On uh from August 1st to September 3rd,

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we'll have the Sabine Beckman Gallery at

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the Art Center. And then on August 1st

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from 12 to two, Jackie O my pearls which

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is a jewelry class, a modern twist on

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the three strand um pearl u beaded

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jewelry and so have a class there. The

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gallery reception for Miss Sabine will

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be on August 6th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m.

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Story time at the art center August 8th

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12 to 1. We have a really cool class

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called Changing Oceans on August 17th

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from 6:00 to 7 PM. This is actually a

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class put on by the Fort Fiser Aquarium

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folks. As you all know, the aquarium is

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closed for a very long and extensive

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renovation. They've moved a small

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exhibit to the mall in Wilmington, but

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they're doing a class with us to talk

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about the changing oceans are also

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bringing in some of that maritime life

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for kids to interact with. And so that's

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on August 17th from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m.

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Another step in our culinary

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programming, fermentation 101. This

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class is for how to make kombucha.

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>> Uh and so that'll be [laughter]

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» Uh and so that'll be [laughter]

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>> kombucha.

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It's very good for your summit.

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>> August 18th from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m.

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» August 18th from 6:00 to 7:30 p.m.

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>> Korean food.

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» Korean food.

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>> And that'll be at the art center.

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» And that'll be at the art center.

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>> It is.

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» It is.

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>> Last two things for you. August 19th

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» Last two things for you. August 19th

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from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. we have a paint

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pouring class for vases and lastly

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seasonal greeting cards on August 20th

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6:00 to 8:00 p.m.

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>> And what what was that culinary

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» And what what was that culinary

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>> Mr. Mr. Sutton I'm sorry to clear up

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» Mr. Mr. Sutton I'm sorry to clear up

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just so we keep open meetings uh don't

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fail any open meetings laws since there

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were three of us discussing it uh am I

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correct kamuka is a drink not not Korean

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food. [laughter]

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>> Okay cabbage

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» Okay cabbage

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>> correct? Yes. Yeah,

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» correct? Yes. Yeah,

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>> made from cabbage.

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[laughter]

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>> I might have to check that out. And when

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» I might have to check that out. And when

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is that one?

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>> It is uh August 18th from 6:00 to 30 6

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» It is uh August 18th from 6:00 to 30 6

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to 7:30 p.m. at the art center. You'll

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learn how to make your own kombucha. I

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won't get into the details because it

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might gross you out now, but when you go

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to the the class, you'll learn all about

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it. It's very healthy for you, and

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you'll learn to make your own.

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Maybe I'll just go and watch.

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>> Is it legal? I see you're fermenting it.

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» Is it legal? I see you're fermenting it.

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>> It is.

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» It is.

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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

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>> That's interesting.

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» That's interesting.

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>> Can't wait to check it out. Yeah, I'll

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» Can't wait to check it out. Yeah, I'll

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stand in the corner and watch.

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>> Yeah. Awesome. And also, I wanted to

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» Yeah. Awesome. And also, I wanted to

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share um not on your sheets, but uh more

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information to come. Now that the

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amphitheater is complete and Founders

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Park will be open, we will have more

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information on future concerts. We are

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um targeting several more through summer

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and into fall and so you'll see more

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information to come about who those um

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those bands and performances will be in

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the upcoming weeks.

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>> Thank you so much.

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» Thank you so much.

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>> Thank you.

551
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» Thank you.

552
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>> Wow.

553
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» Wow.

554
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>> Next we have a presentation from Bess

555
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» Next we have a presentation from Bess

556
00:22:48,960 --> 00:23:01,590
Blackburn on Leland Area Garden Club.

557
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,520
Hey, I want to thank everyone. Thank

558
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,480
you, Madame Mayor. Thank you, council,

559
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,039
city, and town of Leland, which is

560
00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,440
becoming a big city now, and all the

561
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citizens that are here tonight. My name

562
00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:16,799
is Bess Blackburn. I'm with the Leland

563
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:20,559
area garden club. and we were founded

564
00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:24,720
just recently and received our 5013C

565
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,480
nonprofit status in March of this year.

566
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So, let me find my picker here.

567
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I'm going to tell you a little bit about

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the Leland Area Garden Club. Um, again,

569
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it's a 5013C nonprofit. Our mission is

570
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,919
to preserve and enhance the natural

571
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beauty of Leland in North Brunswick

572
00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:48,799
County. Our members will be improving

573
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:52,000
public spaces, educate residents, and

574
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,120
foster environmental stewardship. We are

575
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,440
seeking partnerships that strengthen our

576
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:01,120
civic pride and community quality of

577
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,000
life.

578
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,960
Our mission is this to inspire a love of

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gardening, conservation, environmental

580
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:12,000
stewardship to enhance community beauty

581
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,039
through education, volunteerism, and

582
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,320
partnerships. to promote native plants,

583
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,799
pollinators, bluebirds, and healthy

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public spaces.

585
00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:26,720
Why should the town partner with the

586
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,720
garden club? Um, well, I was a I still

587
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,720
am a member of the Katefir Garden Club

588
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,600
in Wilmington. Um, that garden club has

589
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,600
been in existence for a hundred years.

590
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,080
We just celebrated our 100th year

591
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,000
anniversary this past year. And, um, I'm

592
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,039
still a member. I joined when I was a

593
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:48,640
resident of Wilmington. I lived in

594
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,400
Leland, moved to Wilmington, then moved

595
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,320
back to Leland. Um, so they have been

596
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,720
very supportive. We saw that there was a

597
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,000
need to have a Leland area garden club.

598
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,039
Um, the Katefield Garden Club does not

599
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allow anyone from Brunswick County to

600
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,640
join. So, we thought, well, we need to

601
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,799
have our own. and they have been very

602
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,520
supportive and very helpful um for this

603
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,360
endeavor that that we have taken on. So,

604
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,720
um we want to basically emulate a lot

605
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,720
what the Capefir Garden Club does for

606
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,000
Wilmington and they do a lot um a lot of

607
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,799
civic partnerships as far as putting in

608
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,760
pollinator gardens, native plant gardens

609
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,039
within the town of Wilmington. Um they

610
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sponsor the garden club tours which are

611
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,400
tours of gardens with within the

612
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,039
Wilmington area and they do a lot of

613
00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:45,679
education and outreach. So that's

614
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basically what we are proposing to do

615
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,799
for the town of Leland.

616
00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,200
So we are a nonprofit structure that can

617
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,000
support grants, donations, and

618
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,480
sponsorships. So we have a lot to offer

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the town.

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Community beautifification. That's one

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of our main goals. Um, Leland's growing

622
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520
at a rapid pace. We all know it, we see

623
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,320
it, we live it every day. We need to

624
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,440
maintain our beauty. We need to beautify

625
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,120
certain areas that are starting to look

626
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,520
a little little shabby. Um

627
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,240
so some of the things that we are seeing

628
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,400
as problem areas are um village road

629
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,960
where the commercial areas are as well

630
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,679
as highway 17 where the commercial areas

631
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are and we really want to enforce and

632
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,200
educate not enforce but we really want

633
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,520
to educate and inspire businesses to

634
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,840
beautify their areas.

635
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Um so that's part of our community

636
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,200
beautifification project.

637
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,080
Um, one of our signature projects is the

638
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,000
Leland Bluebird Trail Initiative. Um,

639
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,320
recently I have partnered with the 4H

640
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,520
Club of Brunswick for Brunswick County

641
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,840
and those kids are so excited to build

642
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,720
bluebird boxes. um we are furnishing

643
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,720
them with all the materials and on

644
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,679
August 7th they are holding a workshop

645
00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:16,400
down in Bolivia at their agriculture

646
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,799
center and we've got about 10 kids

647
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,880
signed up already to build bluebird

648
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,400
boxes. So we've got enough materials for

649
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,120
them to build 20. Now we don't want to

650
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,440
stop there. We also

651
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,520
um we also want other clubs and

652
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,880
organizations to participate as well.

653
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,760
We really envision a bluebird box trail.

654
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,159
Um I know someone in mapping with the

655
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:46,000
county and she has offered to do the

656
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,279
mapping for that which is really a cool

657
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:52,080
thing. So we really want to engage like

658
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,679
boy scouts churches um workshops at the

659
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:58,000
Leland Cultural Arts Center. We really

660
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,840
want to get the community involved with

661
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,960
this. Bluebirds are a very special part

662
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,960
of our conservation.

663
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,200
Um, at one time they were becoming

664
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,799
endangered,

665
00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:11,039
but now with people putting out more and

666
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,200
more bluebird nesting boxes, they're

667
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,039
starting to make a comeback and we

668
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,320
really want to position them as a symbol

669
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,039
of conservation in in our area.

670
00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,799
We also are want to propose putting in a

671
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:30,640
bluebird camp at Founders Park.

672
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The reason for choosing Founders Park is

673
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,919
it's just an incredible area where

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00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:39,520
people are coming together. Um, and it's

675
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,640
also secure. There's cameras. It's it's

676
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,679
pretty secure. Police station nearby.

677
00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:47,919
Um, so we hope that nobody would would

678
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:52,000
meddle with it. But we want this cam to

679
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,720
have a link where people from all around

680
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,320
the country can go in and look at the

681
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,200
bluebird cam in Leland and watch the

682
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,559
nesting pro uh process occur. And we

683
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,640
really want to build excitement to that.

684
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,799
So that is something that we are also

685
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,279
proposing.

686
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,080
Um pollinator partnerships

687
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,039
um as we know our natural pollinators

688
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,399
are on the decline. bees, butterflies,

689
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:20,720
um with all of the construction and

690
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:22,399
development, they're they're really

691
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:25,200
taking a toll. So, we really want to

692
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,640
encourage pollinator gardens

693
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,279
um for butterflies, bees, and beneficial

694
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:34,720
insects and use educational plant labels

695
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,120
to educate the public on what these

696
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,679
plants are. And we want to really

697
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:42,159
encourage home owners and businesses to

698
00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:46,320
add pollinator friendly plants, HOAs,

699
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,000
um, businesses, etc.

700
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Okay. Um, education and outreach. That's

701
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,640
our primary primarily what we're all

702
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,679
about. And we want to have monthly

703
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:03,200
educational programs and guest speakers.

704
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,080
um native plant, bluebird and pollinator

705
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,600
workshops,

706
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320
senior outreach and intergenerational

707
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:11,919
programming

708
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:14,080
using the Leland Culture Arts Center

709
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,880
hopefully and um garden visits,

710
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120
demonstration, hands-on learning

711
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,080
opportunities.

712
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,000
Here's one thing that we're proposing

713
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,640
too, and this is something along the

714
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,559
line when I was talking about the

715
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,200
commercial areas needing to be spruced

716
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,159
up a little bit. We want to do a annual

717
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:36,159
recognition for attractive commercial

718
00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:38,960
landscaping and call it the beauty spot

719
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,440
award. Uh we would not be able to do

720
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,320
this in pro until 2028.

721
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,039
Um it just involves a lot of planning.

722
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:49,760
So, we want to promote and inspire

723
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,039
businesses to polish up and make their

724
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:56,240
areas beautiful. And in doing so,

725
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,480
whoever the the winners are, they will

726
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,039
be um honored through media, social

727
00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:04,240
media, and community recognition. Um so,

728
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,240
we really want to connect the

729
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,000
beautifification with economic

730
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:13,590
development and tourism.

731
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,950
this.

732
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,600
Um, in 2028, we'd also like to have a

733
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,559
home garden and farm tours of the North

734
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,440
Brunswick County area. So, we'd like to

735
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,000
feature outstanding home gardens along

736
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,320
with farms. Farms are a little bit of a

737
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,399
different twist. Um, Wilmington has we

738
00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:36,080
with the garden club in Wilmington, we

739
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,480
have our home and home garden tour, but

740
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,159
we want to extend this out to our

741
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:43,279
beautiful farms in the area. Uh we've

742
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,760
got some incredible farms. Um Shelton

743
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Herb Farm, she's interested in being on

744
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:53,360
it. Um Northwest, um there's a a venue

745
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,840
out in Bolivia that they're interested.

746
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,039
She's a master gardener. Um so we really

747
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:02,960
want to enhance the area and make it

748
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,679
make it ongoing every year by doing

749
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:07,679
this. Make it a recurring event for

750
00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:12,320
Leland and North Brunswick County.

751
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,880
The economic and community benefits of

752
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,440
partnering with the garden club are are

753
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,120
very strong. Um, beautiful communities

754
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,960
attract residents, visitors, and

755
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,760
investment. Public gardens and events

756
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,880
support local businesses and tourism.

757
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Volunteer projects multiply the impact

758
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,000
of public resources.

759
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Visible stewardships strengthens pride

760
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,000
and belonging. educational programs

761
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,159
support long-term environmental

762
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:45,190
responsibility.

763
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,320
Here's our five-year strategic plan. In

764
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,720
2027, we'll be launching the Bluebird

765
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,279
Trail and install, if we have your

766
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:56,640
approval, Founders Parks Bluebird Camp.

767
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,519
In 2028, begin home garden and farm

768
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,880
tours and beauty spot awards. 2029,

769
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,120
expand pollinator gardens and community

770
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,640
education.

771
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,200
2030 grow civic partnerships and

772
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,279
volunteer programs.

773
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:14,159
2032 become North Brunswick County's

774
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:19,029
premier environmental nonprofit.

775
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,440
We really want to work together with to

776
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,559
create a greener Leland. Um town of

777
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,360
Leland Parks and Recreation is very

778
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,840
important to us. are Brunswick County

779
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,120
schools or 4 programs, home local

780
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,600
businesses and sponsors, homeowner

781
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,480
associations and civic organizations,

782
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,640
other garden clubs, conservation groups

783
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,799
and residents we all want to partner

784
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,880
with.

785
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,240
Imagine Leland in 2032.

786
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,320
Bluebirds nesting throughout our parks

787
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,360
and public spaces. Pollinator gardens

788
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,279
across Leland and North Brunswick

789
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,840
County. Awardwinning commercial

790
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,360
landscapes recognized each year. Annual

791
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,679
garden and farm tours drawing residents

792
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:06,320
and visitors. Residents working together

793
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,359
to build a greener, healthier Leland.

794
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,839
Thank you so much. Appreciate that.

795
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:17,109
>> Thank you, B.

796
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:18,320
» Before you go,

797
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:19,190
>> yeah,

798
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:19,200
» yeah,

799
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,270
>> I got a couple

800
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:21,280
» I got a couple

801
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,430
>> questions, items, whatever.

802
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,480
So, you are the uh bluebird expert, I

803
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,240
guess, what I'm going to classify you

804
00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,879
as. And I just actually just built one

805
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:36,879
and put in my backyard. Uh how long does

806
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:40,720
it take for a on average for a bird to

807
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:43,200
establish a nest in that uh

808
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,230
>> in that new home?

809
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:44,240
» in that new home?

810
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,510
>> Yeah, great question. Um I'm so glad you

811
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:47,520
» Yeah, great question. Um I'm so glad you

812
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,200
asked that because there's so many

813
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,560
questions that people have about

814
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,280
bluebirds. Now, people think, "Oh, I

815
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,800
just have to wait till the spring to put

816
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,920
up a bluebird box." But what happens as

817
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,000
soon as you put a box up any time of the

818
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,480
year, bluebirds will start checking it

819
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,720
out. You'll see them flutter around.

820
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:06,400
They're looking for their next home.

821
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,240
They're looking for their next nesting

822
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:11,920
spot. So, this might happen for a while,

823
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,839
for few weeks or so, and then they'll go

824
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,880
in and you'll start seeing them with

825
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,640
something in their beaks and they're

826
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,400
starting to nest. They're starting to

827
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,440
build their nest. So, that process can

828
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,000
take some time. Um, you imagine a little

829
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,040
bird, little beak building this nice

830
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:35,200
nest. And then for incubation time, it's

831
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,400
about two weeks for the eggs to to

832
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,960
hatch. And then the mother and father

833
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,800
will continue to feed the bluebirds and

834
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,599
then they'll finally fledge uh fledge

835
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,400
the nest. So please put up your bluebird

836
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:49,040
boxes.

837
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,829
>> Are they are they um

838
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:51,839
» Are they are they um

839
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:54,079
I don't want to say territorial, but do

840
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,960
they pretty much stay in the same area

841
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,240
year after year?

842
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:01,829
>> They do. They do. Um, but they will they

843
00:36:01,829 --> 00:36:01,839
» They do. They do. Um, but they will they

844
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:04,800
will migrate to other areas as well.

845
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,829
>> Um, but once they found their home, they

846
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:07,839
» Um, but once they found their home, they

847
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:10,480
usually come back to that home and and

848
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,400
continue nesting. It's important to

849
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,480
clean the box out after they nest. Um,

850
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,520
but yeah, we have one and they're just

851
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,400
always dancing around it and around it

852
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,240
all year round.

853
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,200
Have you given any thought to uh working

854
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:30,560
with uh the horiculture folks at

855
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,800
Brunswick Community College?

856
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,349
>> Yes. Um in fact, I'm going to be taking

857
00:36:35,349 --> 00:36:35,359
» Yes. Um in fact, I'm going to be taking

858
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:39,040
their master gardener course in January

859
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,720
or I've signed up. Hopefully I'll be

860
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:43,040
elected to to take it.

861
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,430
>> Um my background, my first job was in a

862
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:45,440
» Um my background, my first job was in a

863
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,440
garden center and horiculture. I worked

864
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,000
for a a landscape architect and managed

865
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,359
his garden shop when I was a kid. And

866
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:55,119
then later on in college, I'd come back

867
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,800
and work summers. But um yes, in fact, I

868
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,240
I will be down there again the 7th for

869
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,760
the 4 club. Um they're building bluebird

870
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480
boxes for us. So yeah, I'm in involved

871
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:12,240
with some partnerships with them. Yeah.

872
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,400
And one last thing about it's been

873
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,760
probably eight years ago, maybe

874
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,359
somewhere right in there. We as council

875
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:23,440
talked about

876
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,200
doing something to beautify Village

877
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,680
Road. And of course, now we have this

878
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,079
great park over here that we hope more

879
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,800
folks would Yeah. would come by. And we

880
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,560
would certainly like to make that look

881
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,880
uh that whole road uh look presentable

882
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,160
and and beautiful. And so I kind of look

883
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,880
forward to uh our folks uh partnering

884
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:51,119
with uh with the uh organization, your

885
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:53,200
organization, and see what we can do to

886
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:53,910
>> Oh, we'd love that.

887
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:53,920
» Oh, we'd love that.

888
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:54,870
>> Brighten that up.

889
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:54,880
» Brighten that up.

890
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,630
>> Yeah, we would love that.

891
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:56,640
» Yeah, we would love that.

892
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,589
>> Bob Coron was big on hanging flower pots

893
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:59,599
» Bob Coron was big on hanging flower pots

894
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,079
and stuff. Anybody else got any

895
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,160
questions?

896
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,270
>> Questions?

897
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:05,280
» Questions?

898
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,150
>> Thank you, Beth.

899
00:38:06,150 --> 00:38:06,160
» Thank you, Beth.

900
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,030
>> You're welcome.

901
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:07,040
» You're welcome.

902
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,430
>> Thank you. Appreciate y'all.

903
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480
» Next, as we go into public comment, um

904
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,000
when you hear your name called, if

905
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,359
you'll come over to [clears throat] the

906
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:20,880
podium, um and remember, please be

907
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,480
respectful of others. And um no name

908
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,400
calling. You're talking to council.

909
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,720
You're not talking to an individual out

910
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:31,119
in the audience. you're talking to us.

911
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:35,451
So, um, sub David, you got the names.

912
00:38:35,451 --> 00:38:36,240
[clears throat]

913
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,150
>> Yes, ma'am. First up, we have Pastor

914
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:38,160
» Yes, ma'am. First up, we have Pastor

915
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Dusty Smith.

916
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,510
>> Good evening, folks. Unfortunately, he

917
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:41,520
» Good evening, folks. Unfortunately, he

918
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,359
had an emergency and had to leave.

919
00:38:43,359 --> 00:38:46,310
>> Okay. Uh, next up, we have Brighton

920
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:46,320
» Okay. Uh, next up, we have Brighton

921
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:54,630
Willis.

922
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,240
» Good evening, Madame Mayor, council

923
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,920
members.

924
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,520
My name [clears throat] is Brighton

925
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,880
Willis. I am a retired US Army Corps of

926
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Engineers

927
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,320
manager. Um,

928
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,230
>> excuse me, Mr. Willis, would you speak

929
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:08,240
» excuse me, Mr. Willis, would you speak

930
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,000
into the

931
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,510
>> Yeah, thank you.

932
00:39:11,510 --> 00:39:11,520
» Yeah, thank you.

933
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,150
>> Got it.

934
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:12,160
» Got it.

935
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,109
>> Yeah. We just want to make sure the

936
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:13,119
» Yeah. We just want to make sure the

937
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,240
folks at home can hear you.

938
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,069
>> We ready?

939
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:18,079
» We ready?

940
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,400
During my career, I worked on uh

941
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680
numerous studies, reviews, designs, and

942
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,240
the construction of major public

943
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,720
infrastructure projects.

944
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,359
Over the past few years, I've researched

945
00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:33,920
uh the history and technical background

946
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:35,599
of the Capefir Memorial Bridge

947
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,040
replacement, Capefir crossing proposal,

948
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,520
the Wilmington Harbor Navigation

949
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,320
Project, and many related transportation

950
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,119
decisions that have shaped where we are

951
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:48,880
today.

952
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,880
representing the town. I also served on

953
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,200
the citizens advisory committee for the

954
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,400
WNO 2045

955
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:03,430
Metropolitan Transportation Plan Update.

956
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,480
I previously emailed each of you through

957
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,000
the mayor a copy of a white paper and

958
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,560
tonight I'm providing you with a printed

959
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,760
version of that cop uh that white paper.

960
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,160
The paper examines the interreationship

961
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,880
between navigation, regional freight

962
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,440
movement, transportation and planning,

963
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,119
and long-term bridge financing.

964
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,839
It also references references historical

965
00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,240
planning documents, including the town

966
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:36,079
of Leland's recent resolution to help

967
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,960
place these issues in their broader

968
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,880
historical and regional context.

969
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,119
My purpose is to place this paper into

970
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,560
the public record and to offer it as a

971
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,599
resource for the council and the public

972
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:53,920
as an important regional transportation

973
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:58,480
issues continue to be discussed.

974
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,119
Thank you for your time,

975
00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,000
your public service,

976
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,400
and your consideration.

977
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,309
>> Thank you, Mr. Willis.

978
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:08,319
» Thank you, Mr. Willis.

979
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:11,589
>> Thank you.

980
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:27,910
Next up, we have Lewis Hermati.

981
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,720
And anyway, before I start, I'd like to

982
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,839
ask uh the mayor or the town manager if

983
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:36,240
I could take a moment to honor myself

984
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,040
for serving in Vietnam. As you notice,

985
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,319
55 years ago, thousands of us came back

986
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:45,760
and for 30 years or 35, we were never

987
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,599
recognized. And it was painful

988
00:41:47,599 --> 00:41:50,560
experience coming back and having that

989
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,839
long-term uh non-recognition. But now it

990
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:55,440
doesn't bother me. When they start

991
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,920
recognizing us, it it really didn't help

992
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,920
me too much, hurt me or anything that

993
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,240
I'm over it. I just thought I'd mention

994
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:02,800
that.

995
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,790
>> Thank you for your service, Louis.

996
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:04,800
» Thank you for your service, Louis.

997
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,550
>> All right. So today I'm talking about

998
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:06,560
» All right. So today I'm talking about

999
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,960
the American crisis. America has had

1000
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,640
three major political crisis. The

1001
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,960
American Revolution, the Civil War, and

1002
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,520
the Progressive Socialist uh communist

1003
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,920
war on religion, morality, individual

1004
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,839
freedom, and liberty. The early

1005
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:22,800
progressives advocated democracy, but

1006
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,079
they but not a republic. They did

1007
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,560
support God and country. Early

1008
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,560
progressive policies were women's

1009
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,040
suffrage, social justice, workplace

1010
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,599
safety, social welfare, education

1011
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,400
reform, economic reform such as

1012
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
progressive tax, income redistribution,

1013
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,599
universal health care, universal income,

1014
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,319
antitrust, regulating businesses, and

1015
00:42:46,319 --> 00:42:49,760
taxing the 1%. The new radical left of

1016
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,480
today intends to transform, replace

1017
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,680
family, culture, all uh fundamental

1018
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,079
principles and structures. They don't

1019
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,800
support God and country. In the new de

1020
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,800
democratic, excuse me, the new

1021
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,040
democratic people rule, excuse me, a new

1022
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,200
democracy, people rule, not our

1023
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,839
republic. The new democratic party is

1024
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:12,079
the democ democratic socialist of

1025
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:15,280
America. They are woke going for broke.

1026
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,680
Uh, no police in jails, no god and

1027
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,359
country, no borders, language and

1028
00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:22,079
culture. Wokeism is their name,

1029
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:25,839
environmentalism is their game, LBGTQ is

1030
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:28,720
their family, God and Christianity is

1031
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,520
their enemy. Racism, social justice is

1032
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,560
their battlecry and perversion is their

1033
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,359
style. They are projecting, they're

1034
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:40,480
rejecting all traditional values. Today,

1035
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,560
America is broken. the family, the

1036
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:45,040
church, government, education, and most

1037
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,280
institutions. They lack moral and

1038
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,680
spiritual character because there's no

1039
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,240
school prayer, no ten commandments, no

1040
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:54,480
natural rights, no freedom of speech,

1041
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,359
cancel culture, woke ideology, truth is

1042
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,520
muted, constitution is canceled in most

1043
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,480
places. American except exceptionalism

1044
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,119
is attacked. Teachers unions are run by

1045
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,680
communist. Social school systems don't

1046
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,720
allow constitutional truth. Wave radio

1047
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:13,839
cancelled my 23 and 26 constitutional

1048
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:17,119
ads, social media monitor speech and

1049
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,119
Magnum Greens board disapprove my

1050
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,079
constitutional class. Marxists cancelled

1051
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,200
our history, our heroes, our statues and

1052
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,400
our values. They re they re-educated

1053
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,960
their children. They preach class

1054
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,119
warfare. I'm done. Okay.

1055
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:34,470
>> Thank you, Lois.

1056
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:34,480
» Thank you, Lois.

1057
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,350
>> Thank you.

1058
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:36,360
» Thank you.

1059
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:38,870
[clears throat]

1060
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:52,309
Next we have Barry Long.

1061
00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:56,000
Good evening, Mayor, council members.

1062
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Two uh three things I wanted to talk

1063
00:44:57,839 --> 00:45:01,680
about tonight. One was closed sessions.

1064
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,400
Um, and specifically,

1065
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,079
why, and this is the second time I

1066
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:07,920
brought this up, why are close sessions

1067
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,920
not put at the end of the schedule of

1068
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,640
the agenda? Why do you have twohour

1069
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,280
closed sessions after the first 25

1070
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,319
minutes of a meeting? It makes no sense.

1071
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:23,280
I've asked this before. I believe the

1072
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,280
town manager is the one that makes the

1073
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,680
schedule, but you guys are the ones that

1074
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,240
are supposed to be directing how that

1075
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:32,000
schedule should be set up, at least in

1076
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,040
broad terms. So, please think about

1077
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,440
this. People don't want to hang out from

1078
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,560
the public for two hours to hear the

1079
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,560
majority of the meeting at the end of

1080
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,349
the night or afternoon.

1081
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:49,280
So, you heard it last time, nothing

1082
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,560
happened. I'm asking again.

1083
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,560
District voting.

1084
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,280
Council member Pendleton made a motion

1085
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,480
at the June 18th meeting uh for a

1086
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,119
moratorum on all discussions

1087
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,680
on district voting until the 2030

1088
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,280
census.

1089
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,520
I don't understand if the issue is dead,

1090
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,160
why wasn't there a second and why wasn't

1091
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,240
it passed?

1092
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,200
And Mr. hire in particular who I know is

1093
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,800
opposed or who said he was opposed also

1094
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,599
was silent. So I don't know if you just

1095
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:27,440
go along and get along. Is that your new

1096
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,560
deal or not? But it's not very

1097
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:34,560
attractive. We're helpful.

1098
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,680
Last one is performance appraisals.

1099
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,200
The July 13th council meeting.

1100
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,359
Again, Mr. Pendleton asked for a closed

1101
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,040
session

1102
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,440
uh to be included

1103
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,079
so that uh council members could review

1104
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:53,520
Mr. Hollis's performance appraisals. I

1105
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,920
don't know if they even exist based on

1106
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,560
what I saw um Miss Boseman, it sounds

1107
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,319
like from what you said at the agenda

1108
00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:04,480
meeting that he gets a performance

1109
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,040
appraisal every November.

1110
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,680
Now if that's inaccurate, I'd like to

1111
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,280
know that. But it sounds like at least

1112
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,800
he's getting one if that's true because

1113
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,800
that's what you said every November.

1114
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,880
And if he is, then certainly council

1115
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,960
members who supervise Mr. Hollis ought

1116
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,560
to be knowing what his goals and

1117
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,359
objectives are and if he's meeting them.

1118
00:47:29,359 --> 00:47:31,680
And they can't do that if they can't see

1119
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,560
the appraisal because the appraisal, for

1120
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,599
instance, the most recent one would have

1121
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,480
had those things in it.

1122
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,800
So, aren't any of you interested about

1123
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,560
what what his goals and objectives are

1124
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:46,960
and if he's meeting them? Why wouldn't

1125
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,480
you have a closed session? I don't get

1126
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,960
it. It just doesn't make sense. It's

1127
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,359
childish. You're all acting childish in

1128
00:47:53,359 --> 00:48:00,790
my opinion. Thank you.

1129
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:21,270
Next we have Rhonda Florian.

1130
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,160
The town council is the employer of the

1131
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,400
town manager. The council hires and

1132
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,040
fires the town manager, negotiates the

1133
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,280
contract with the town manager, and

1134
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,520
conducts periodic performance reviews of

1135
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,000
the town manager while maintaining

1136
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,960
records of these reviews. As the

1137
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,920
employer of the town manager, any

1138
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,040
council member is entitled to inspect

1139
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,760
performance review records. The push

1140
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,760
back to Mr. Pendleton's request to

1141
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,359
inspect these records is astonishing.

1142
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:56,480
Why is the town concealing this? In a

1143
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,400
previous life, I was president of a

1144
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,800
nonprofit corporation. My recording

1145
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,359
secretary had a mantra. If it's not in

1146
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:06,240
the minutes, it didn't happen. To apply

1147
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,720
her mantra to performance review

1148
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:12,319
records, if there are no records, it

1149
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:15,040
didn't happen. The average time one

1150
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,200
person holds the petition position of

1151
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,079
town manager is five to six years. Mr.

1152
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,800
Hollis has been town manager for 15

1153
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,520
years. Usually the town council

1154
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,680
negotiates a contract with the town

1155
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,720
manager that has an end date. At the end

1156
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:33,280
of that contract, the council negotiates

1157
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,319
a new contract or hires a new town

1158
00:49:36,319 --> 00:49:39,760
manager. Mr. Hollis's current contract

1159
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,280
is open-ended with no date.

1160
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,280
Does the council consider his position

1161
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,480
to be permanent? In 15 years, Mr.

1162
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,040
Hollis's salary has nearly tripled from

1163
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,839
its original $95,000.

1164
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:56,640
The September 2025 Leland employee

1165
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,280
comprehensive list puts Mr. Hollis's

1166
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:05,670
base salary at $245,122.

1167
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,599
$42,000

1168
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:11,680
more than Governor Josh Stein's 2025

1169
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:19,190
salary. His bonus of $39,88

1170
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,240
exceeds the annual salary of many Leland

1171
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:26,559
taxpayers. The $ 58,69

1172
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,200
contributed to his retirement fund last

1173
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,400
year is more than many people receive in

1174
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:33,994
their entire career.

1175
00:50:33,994 --> 00:50:34,069
>> [snorts]

1176
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:34,079
» [snorts]

1177
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,150
>> The council's failure to properly

1178
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:36,160
» The council's failure to properly

1179
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,079
oversee the town manager is a derelction

1180
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,480
of duty.

1181
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,720
This obstruction of Mr. Pendleton's

1182
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:47,359
request to inspect records of

1183
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:51,680
performance reviews, if any, exist,

1184
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,960
is seriously disturbing and should be

1185
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:04,870
the subject of an investigation.

1186
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,400
Madame Mayor, that's all who has signed

1187
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,160
up tonight. You ask now if there's

1188
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,440
anyone else who would like to speak.

1189
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:10,870
>> Yeah. Is there anyone else that would

1190
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:10,880
» Yeah. Is there anyone else that would

1191
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,680
like to speak? Okay. Go to podium,

1192
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:22,950
please.

1193
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,359
I wore my uh heels today because the

1194
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:26,640
last time I couldn't reach the

1195
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,720
microphone.

1196
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:32,079
So, um, just just wanted to reiterate, I

1197
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,000
looked at the, uh, Mr. Hollis's

1198
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,359
contract, and Mr. Hollis, you do a good

1199
00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:39,520
job as far as I'm concerned, but the

1200
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,440
contract says two performance reviews

1201
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,480
will be conducted each year by the town

1202
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,200
council. Now, I just heard that there's

1203
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,480
only one being done in November. So, I'm

1204
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,240
not sure. We have a contract that says

1205
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,839
he needs to have a review uh twice a

1206
00:51:55,839 --> 00:51:58,880
year, but um assuming that it's just not

1207
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:03,040
done. Um in [sighs] the many many years

1208
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,880
that um I worked as um an administrator

1209
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,520
for a hospital,

1210
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:14,079
we would always look at previous year's

1211
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,400
performance appraisals before we did the

1212
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,640
current year performance appraisals.

1213
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,000
That gave us an opportunity to review um

1214
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,119
the goals and objectives of that

1215
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:28,000
employee and compare it to what they did

1216
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,880
and hopefully um provide some

1217
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,640
information for the next year. So having

1218
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,559
that information from the previous

1219
00:52:36,559 --> 00:52:39,359
performance appraisal is extremely

1220
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:42,960
important especially for the two newbies

1221
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,760
who were came in and basically have no

1222
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,400
background on what Mr. Hollis's

1223
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,880
performance was previously. So I think

1224
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,119
it it is extremely important that the

1225
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:58,720
newbies have access to the performance

1226
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:02,000
appraisals if it's not already done.

1227
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Thank you.

1228
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:10,710
>> Thank you ma'am.

1229
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,960
» Hello council. I'm Jennifer

1230
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,960
Brightenbach. I live in Brunswick Forest

1231
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,119
and I'm just coming up here right now

1232
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,520
because I think it's important for we

1233
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,400
the citizens if we have issues to be

1234
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,440
able to speak out on them. Um and I I've

1235
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:27,119
already been preceded by one gentleman

1236
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,040
who already addressed this issue but it

1237
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,880
does concern me that um and I've been

1238
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,599
attending the meetings here for a while

1239
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:41,599
um that it was put out um by um Mr.

1240
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:44,880
Pendleton that um he had concern he

1241
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:46,960
would he would have liked to have seen

1242
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,160
uh two things concerning um the

1243
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,319
districts. Um he would like and

1244
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,559
basically the point was the people

1245
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,599
should be able to have a say on this and

1246
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,520
it's kind of concerning to me that

1247
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,280
because in the past we had two people

1248
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,119
that voted against the districts and

1249
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,160
then the mayor also voted. I thought

1250
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,520
that issue was done, but obviously it

1251
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,680
wasn't. And then when you brought those

1252
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,000
things up, Mr. Pendleton, um, Mr. Leland

1253
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,280
in the past voted with you on that, but

1254
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,319
then no one voted for that when you

1255
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:29,200
brought it up again. And that kind of is

1256
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,480
giving a confusing message to we the

1257
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,240
citizens and the taxpayer. Um, it's it's

1258
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:38,640
frustrating and concerning. I'd like

1259
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,720
some clarity on that issue and I do

1260
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,160
think we should be able to vote on that

1261
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,640
because it involves us.

1262
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,000
Thank you.

1263
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,549
>> Thank you, ma'am. Is there anyone else

1264
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:48,559
» Thank you, ma'am. Is there anyone else

1265
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:52,390
that would like to speak?

1266
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,240
» Okay, we'll continue on with the meeting

1267
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,640
then. Next, we have approval of the

1268
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,720
consent agenda. Is there anything that

1269
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:01,359
anyone wants to take out [snorts] or put

1270
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:05,349
in?

1271
00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:08,640
Mayor and councel, does this have a is

1272
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,480
anybody got a conflict of disclosure

1273
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:11,599
they need to make?

1274
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,109
>> No, no conflict.

1275
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:13,119
» No, no conflict.

1276
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:14,470
>> What What you

1277
00:55:14,470 --> 00:55:14,480
» What What you

1278
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,069
>> Madam Mayor, what I was going to say, I

1279
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:16,079
» Madam Mayor, what I was going to say, I

1280
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:17,599
don't want to remove anything from the

1281
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:20,079
consent agenda. However, I do want to

1282
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:21,520
make a statement that one of the items

1283
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,400
in there calls for the possession and

1284
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,240
consumption of the malt beverages and

1285
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:28,880
unfortified wine at Founders Park. At

1286
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,880
the May 21st meeting, I spoke out

1287
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,800
against this and I just want to go on

1288
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,599
record again and say that that I don't

1289
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,359
think that that's in the best interest

1290
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,520
of our town, but I'm not going to ask

1291
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,880
that it be removed from the consent

1292
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,040
agenda.

1293
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,069
>> Mayor, if I could just um go over the

1294
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:46,079
» Mayor, if I could just um go over the

1295
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:47,920
items that were on the consent agenda

1296
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,440
very quickly. Um

1297
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:50,549
>> please. Thank you.

1298
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:50,559
» please. Thank you.

1299
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,950
>> We had several um sets of meeting

1300
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:52,960
» We had several um sets of meeting

1301
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,319
minutes um for review. We also had a

1302
00:55:56,319 --> 00:55:59,200
resolution to accept some grant fund

1303
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,799
awards

1304
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:02,960
and then we did, as Mr. Pendleton

1305
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,760
mentioned, have a resolution um allowing

1306
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,359
two additional dates um for some events

1307
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:11,280
for the consumption of malt beverages

1308
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:19,349
and unfortified wine in Founders Park.

1309
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,920
All right. Anybody want to make a motion

1310
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,920
or do you is there anybody else that

1311
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:28,950
might have something to add or delete?

1312
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,839
» Motion to approve the consent agenda as

1313
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:33,200
presented.

1314
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,203
>> Second.

1315
00:56:36,213 --> 00:56:37,280
[clears throat] Do we have any more

1316
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:39,280
discussion?

1317
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,640
All in favor?

1318
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:41,190
>> I.

1319
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:41,200
» I.

1320
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,349
>> Any oppose?

1321
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:43,359
» Any oppose?

1322
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:49,304
Motion carries.

1323
00:56:49,314 --> 00:56:49,599
» [snorts]

1324
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:52,390
>> Next we have action item property

1325
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:52,400
» Next we have action item property

1326
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,920
exchange.

1327
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,559
Josh, you handling that? Does anybody

1328
00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:59,520
have any disclosure they need to make on

1329
00:56:59,520 --> 00:56:59,920
this?

1330
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:00,789
>> No conflict.

1331
00:57:00,789 --> 00:57:00,799
» No conflict.

1332
00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:09,750
>> No.

1333
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,079
» Good evening, mayor and council.

1334
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:13,829
>> Good evening. I will be introducing

1335
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:13,839
» Good evening. I will be introducing

1336
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:17,430
resolution R26-050

1337
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,280
authorizing the exchange of real

1338
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,920
property. So there are uh three items

1339
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,079
that I would like to discuss with you uh

1340
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:25,599
specifically as it relates to this

1341
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:28,400
resolution. Um one will be the history

1342
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,720
of this property and how the town became

1343
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,680
the land owners. Uh the second thing I

1344
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,040
would like to discuss is some of the

1345
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,680
conservation efforts that the town uh

1346
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,720
took as it relates to this property. And

1347
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,799
then lastly, some of the statutory

1348
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:45,040
requirements and procedures as it

1349
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,680
relates to uh really any town in North

1350
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,079
Carolina wanting to exchange either real

1351
00:57:50,079 --> 00:57:53,040
or personal property.

1352
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:57,520
And so um in June of 2004, the town

1353
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:02,000
became the land owner of parcel ID 030

1354
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,190
PA803.

1355
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,200
That property is kind of located back

1356
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,400
this way off of Village Road. It sits to

1357
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,400
the east of the veterinary clinic and uh

1358
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,520
back in 2004 in a case number filed in

1359
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,520
Brunswick County Superior Court,

1360
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,150
specifically 04CVS1065.

1361
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,200
Um this was a condemnation proceeding.

1362
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:28,880
This is how the town became the land

1363
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,920
owner of this piece of property.

1364
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,640
And so throughout the years, the um

1365
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,760
conservation efforts of the town um

1366
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,599
looked at this piece of property as a a

1367
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,720
potential conservation area. And so um

1368
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,720
the town of Leland had engaged the

1369
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,079
University of North Carolina at

1370
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,240
Wilmington, specifically the department

1371
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,480
of biology and marine biology through

1372
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,079
Mr. uh Dr. David Webster. Uh based upon

1373
00:58:54,079 --> 00:58:56,640
that survey, it was a HEPU fondal

1374
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,319
survey. I probably will not be able to

1375
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:01,440
say that twice. Um, specifically there

1376
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:02,880
were there were two animals, one of

1377
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,359
those being the uh Carolina gopher frog

1378
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:08,160
as well as the northern pine snake. And

1379
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,480
what this survey was to do was to

1380
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,640
determine whether or not this piece of

1381
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,960
property would be uh suitable for their

1382
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:18,160
habitat such that this property would uh

1383
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,960
remain in in conservation

1384
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,960
um as early as um September 2021. and

1385
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,280
I'm not sure the status now, but the

1386
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,040
Carolina gopher frog was listed as

1387
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,520
endangered and the northern pine snake

1388
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,079
was listed as threatened.

1389
00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:36,240
Um, however, based on this survey, this

1390
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,200
site was not suitable as a potential

1391
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,160
habitat um for those uh for the gopher

1392
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,559
frog and the pine snake.

1393
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,960
Um, however, the the town would still

1394
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,440
like to have a presence in that area for

1395
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,920
conservation. And so that brings me back

1396
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,520
to

1397
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,799
this exchange of property.

1398
00:59:56,799 --> 00:59:59,200
As you can see here, um there are some

1399
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,200
dimensions and the next slide will

1400
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:03,440
actually show the two properties that

1401
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,160
are proposed to be exchanged. Um but I

1402
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:07,680
just wanted to put this here because it

1403
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,760
does have the uh dimensions and and and

1404
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,839
the feet, if you will. But in turning

1405
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:17,200
your attention to this next slide,

1406
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,520
the property currently in blue is the

1407
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:22,400
town of Leland's property. As you can

1408
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,520
see, kind of to the left of that

1409
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:29,280
um is an easement. And so in blue, it

1410
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,319
does not actually touch village road.

1411
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:34,240
However, that easement does give access

1412
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,160
to the town if the town needed to take

1413
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,640
any sort of um you know, trimming or

1414
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,400
cutting down of trees and and things of

1415
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:43,280
that nature. But if you look to um all

1416
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,599
the way to the left, that green strip is

1417
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,880
the proposed exchange of property. Um

1418
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,960
and what that would do is that would

1419
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,440
certainly allow the town to continue to

1420
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,599
maintain a presence in that area for any

1421
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,079
sort of potential conservation efforts.

1422
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,160
Um or you know really anything that the

1423
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,520
town would uh desire in the future.

1424
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,520
And so,

1425
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,760
uh, the other property that the town is,

1426
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,079
um, looking at the exchange of property

1427
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,599
on would be parcel ID 030

1428
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:16,160
PA8

1429
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,720
that is owned by GR508

1430
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,760
Enterprise LLC.

1431
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,680
Uh, in speaking to some of the statutory

1432
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,680
requirements and the procedures, um,

1433
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,280
again, as I mentioned, that relates to

1434
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,119
any sort of town that wants to exchange

1435
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:32,079
property. Uh the controlling statute is

1436
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:36,720
North Carolina General Statute 168A-271

1437
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:39,280
and there are uh three items that are

1438
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,520
required in order for a town to consider

1439
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,640
exchanging the property. One of those is

1440
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,559
there has to be a description. The

1441
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:50,240
property has to be described and so uh

1442
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,760
specifically when I mentioned the parcel

1443
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,480
ID as as well as the owners u that would

1444
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,520
meet the description requirement. Uh the

1445
01:01:57,520 --> 01:01:59,280
second thing would be what is the value

1446
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,760
of this property? Uh what is the

1447
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,720
consideration? And so there was a North

1448
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,559
Carolina state certified general real

1449
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,640
estate appraiser by the name of Samuel

1450
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:13,920
Pate. Uh appraisal number A-7281.

1451
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,079
Um appraisals were conducted on each of

1452
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:17,520
these properties and they were both

1453
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,520
determined to have an approximate value

1454
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,000
of 177,000.

1455
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,280
So the exchange uh would in fact be an

1456
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,559
identical valuetovalue exchange.

1457
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,160
And the third thing that is contemplated

1458
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:33,520
and required by the statute is uh the

1459
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,559
intent of council to consider this

1460
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,040
resolution to exchange this property and

1461
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,520
that has to take place by at least a 10

1462
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:45,040
days notice. And so if you recall um

1463
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,200
last month at the council meeting, I had

1464
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,319
introduced this topic to you and um we

1465
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:52,400
elicited the services of our town clerk

1466
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,960
who made this posting uh this public

1467
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,599
notice specifically in the Star News on

1468
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:02,240
June 29th of 2026 and again uh on July

1469
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,720
the 6th of 2026.

1470
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,520
Um, but on top of that, we also posted

1471
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,520
on the town of Leland's website just

1472
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,359
for, you know, further public notice

1473
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:13,280
purposes.

1474
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,960
And so the requirements for you all

1475
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,720
tonight to consider this exchange of

1476
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:18,480
property is for one, has the statutory

1477
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,880
requirements been met. Um, and as I've

1478
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,440
just previously mentioned, they have. So

1479
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,839
at this time, um, it would certainly be

1480
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:29,599
your, um, determination as to, uh,

1481
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:31,119
whether or not this property needs to be

1482
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,039
exchanged. And the recommendation of

1483
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,760
staff is that um certainly the statutory

1484
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,839
requirements have been been met and for

1485
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:39,599
you all to consider this exchange of

1486
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:44,950
property. Any questions?

1487
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,720
» Oh, Frank,

1488
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,069
>> could you go back to the map if you

1489
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:48,079
» could you go back to the map if you

1490
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:49,119
would please?

1491
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:51,029
>> Yes, sir. That one?

1492
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:51,039
» Yes, sir. That one?

1493
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:51,430
>> Yes.

1494
01:03:51,430 --> 01:03:51,440
» Yes.

1495
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:54,069
>> Okay. So, for clarification, and we've

1496
01:03:54,069 --> 01:03:54,079
» Okay. So, for clarification, and we've

1497
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:56,319
discussed this before, the town owns the

1498
01:03:56,319 --> 01:04:00,240
property in blue and and it's proposed

1499
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,079
that we exchange it straight up for the

1500
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:03,119
property in green.

1501
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:04,710
>> Yes, sir.

1502
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:04,720
» Yes, sir.

1503
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,510
>> Now, the person that owns the property

1504
01:04:07,510 --> 01:04:07,520
» Now, the person that owns the property

1505
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,559
in green now, is that also the same

1506
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:12,720
person that owns track A?

1507
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:13,990
>> That's correct.

1508
01:04:13,990 --> 01:04:14,000
» That's correct.

1509
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,029
>> Okay. And they also own track C down at

1510
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:17,039
» Okay. And they also own track C down at

1511
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:17,920
the bottom.

1512
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,270
>> Yes, sir. I believe kind of those two

1513
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:19,280
» Yes, sir. I believe kind of those two

1514
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:20,799
other squares.

1515
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:24,950
>> Yes, sir. Okay. So, assuming that this

1516
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:24,960
» Yes, sir. Okay. So, assuming that this

1517
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,880
happens,

1518
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:30,960
what's the proposed value of track A?

1519
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,880
How much do you anticipate that track A

1520
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,359
will increase in value?

1521
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:37,670
>> Uh, I am not an appraiser, sir. I

1522
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:37,680
» Uh, I am not an appraiser, sir. I

1523
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:38,960
wouldn't even attempt to give an

1524
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,480
appraised value for that, but I would

1525
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,319
certainly agree that it would be

1526
01:04:42,319 --> 01:04:43,359
substantially higher.

1527
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:45,109
>> It's safe to assume that that property

1528
01:04:45,109 --> 01:04:45,119
» It's safe to assume that that property

1529
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,039
would be substantially higher because

1530
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:48,720
now they have that missing piece. Is

1531
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:54,710
that a fair statement?

1532
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,960
Then why does this benefit the town?

1533
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:58,480
We're going to get a piece of property

1534
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,720
that's 220t long by 41 ft that is

1535
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,119
absolutely not usable. So it would seem

1536
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,119
that we are in a position of strength

1537
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,079
from a negotiating standpoint. So why

1538
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:12,640
would we why would we simply offer this

1539
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:15,440
up straight up? Why wouldn't we ask for

1540
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,799
either cash considerations or track C in

1541
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:21,039
exchange? Well, I would say at least

1542
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:25,039
based on the chapter 168-271 as exchange

1543
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,520
of property, it has to meet those three

1544
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,200
requirements. But, you know, to your

1545
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,280
point as to the benefit of the town, um,

1546
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,039
you know, respectfully, that that would

1547
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:37,270
be for council's consideration.

1548
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,200
» And last question, do do you have any

1549
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,760
idea what the the person that owns track

1550
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,079
A, if they assume ownership of the area

1551
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:45,920
in blue, what they intend to do with

1552
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,039
that parcel? I've not spoken as to that

1553
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:50,559
individual as far as what their future

1554
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:54,720
plans are. Um but it could be could be

1555
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,799
development, it could be conservation,

1556
01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:58,160
it could be anything that you know they

1557
01:05:58,160 --> 01:05:59,359
wish to do. Certainly there's no

1558
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:01,200
limitations on it, but I do not know

1559
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:01,760
sir.

1560
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,589
>> Certainly he could he could build multif

1561
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:03,599
» Certainly he could he could build multif

1562
01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,240
family homes, he could build apartments,

1563
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,319
he could build

1564
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:10,079
virtually whatever he wants or he could

1565
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:11,440
leave it undeveloped.

1566
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:18,230
>> Yes, sir.

1567
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,480
Well, I I kind of like it because of the

1568
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,559
people that live on that street backing

1569
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:28,240
up to that. It gives them a a a

1570
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:28,870
>> buffer.

1571
01:06:28,870 --> 01:06:28,880
» buffer.

1572
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,789
>> A buffer. Thank you. Um between them and

1573
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:32,799
» A buffer. Thank you. Um between them and

1574
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:34,640
a business

1575
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,119
that uh they didn't want the business to

1576
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:40,319
be expanded years ago because of that.

1577
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,960
So I I think they would be more in favor

1578
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,000
of this than what they than having it

1579
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,680
the way it is. So I I think it's a good

1580
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,000
thing

1581
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,079
and and it's going to be con

1582
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,039
conservation area. So we need more as

1583
01:06:57,039 --> 01:07:01,440
much of that as we can get in the area.

1584
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:05,280
If I may, uh, my recollection is the

1585
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:08,400
folks on Woodland Drive approached

1586
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:09,920
council

1587
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,520
a couple years ago, I guess, something

1588
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,160
like that. And they were concerned about

1589
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,480
um that land behind their properties

1590
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,880
developing and taking away.

1591
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:25,190
>> That's right. uh some some areas that uh

1592
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:25,200
» That's right. uh some some areas that uh

1593
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,119
uh

1594
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:30,240
that they valued for privacy and

1595
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:32,880
wildlife and and so on if I my memory

1596
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,480
serves me correctly. So, uh, with this

1597
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,880
exchange that that piece of property

1598
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:45,680
does now, uh, establish a a a buffer

1599
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,760
that allows those people their privacy

1600
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,680
and, uh, so it's not a,

1601
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,480
does it benefit the whole town? I don't

1602
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:55,680
know. doesn't [clears throat] benefit me

1603
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,640
and M and Magnary Greens, but uh it does

1604
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,160
benefit

1605
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,440
some some citizens of the town who like

1606
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,559
me pay taxes, too. So,

1607
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,920
I think it's uh you know, we're not

1608
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,920
going to make everybody happy. we can

1609
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,359
try to take care of where we see a

1610
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,239
possible uh

1611
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:26,149
issue and and help those people

1612
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:28,400
address their concerns.

1613
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,590
>> Being blue is kind of weird looking

1614
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:31,600
» Being blue is kind of weird looking

1615
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,102
the the border lines.

1616
01:08:34,102 --> 01:08:35,600
[snorts]

1617
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,709
>> Anyone else got anything to say?

1618
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:38,719
» Anyone else got anything to say?

1619
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,560
Madame Mayor, was there intent from the

1620
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,719
owner of the property in Green to build

1621
01:08:42,719 --> 01:08:44,400
on that property or was he going to keep

1622
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,199
it somewhat as a an easement?

1623
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:49,110
>> I can't remember all the details, but I

1624
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:49,120
» I can't remember all the details, but I

1625
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:50,560
know that the people were very much

1626
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,719
against it because there was no buffers

1627
01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:57,269
required, no nothing at that time.

1628
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,839
» Regardless, even if he builds on on

1629
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:02,480
tract A, there'd have to be setbacks.

1630
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:04,719
Isn't that correct?

1631
01:09:04,719 --> 01:09:06,070
>> There's going to be setbacks on

1632
01:09:06,070 --> 01:09:06,080
» There's going to be setbacks on

1633
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,799
anything.

1634
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,199
Madame Mayor, Mr. Hall, if I understand

1635
01:09:11,199 --> 01:09:15,679
correctly, just want to ask there is no,

1636
01:09:15,679 --> 01:09:18,400
excuse me, there is no access to our

1637
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,319
current property from Village Road

1638
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:21,839
except through the easement. Is that

1639
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:22,719
correct?

1640
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:24,870
>> That is correct. As you can see that in

1641
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:24,880
» That is correct. As you can see that in

1642
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,279
blue, it does not actually touch. Um,

1643
01:09:27,279 --> 01:09:29,839
however, that easement does allow the

1644
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:32,480
town the right to access that property.

1645
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:34,630
>> Certainly. And after the exchange as

1646
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:34,640
» Certainly. And after the exchange as

1647
01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:38,719
proposed, there is um there is access

1648
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:40,880
from village road to the area on the

1649
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,000
green. Is that correct?

1650
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,870
>> Yes, sir. That's correct.

1651
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,400
» How much did we pay for the area in

1652
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,080
blue?

1653
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,520
It was uh um

1654
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,199
a settlement between um a consent order

1655
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:58,719
I believe that was filed in Brunswick,

1656
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:01,440
but I believe the town at that point had

1657
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:04,239
uh deposited I think $40,000 for that

1658
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:05,840
proceeding

1659
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,750
>> just for the proceeding the

1660
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:07,760
» just for the proceeding the

1661
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,110
>> not the proceeding it went to the um to

1662
01:10:11,110 --> 01:10:11,120
» not the proceeding it went to the um to

1663
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:12,560
the owner of the property at the time

1664
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:13,840
that was subject to those

1665
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,590
>> that was the fair market value at the

1666
01:10:15,590 --> 01:10:15,600
» that was the fair market value at the

1667
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,760
time through the condemnation process.

1668
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,470
>> Correct. So about $40,000 and the um

1669
01:10:22,470 --> 01:10:22,480
» Correct. So about $40,000 and the um

1670
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:26,560
fair market value of both properties now

1671
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,320
is what?

1672
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:31,430
>> Exactly 177,000.

1673
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:31,440
» Exactly 177,000.

1674
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:35,750
>> So theoretically this would be a um

1675
01:10:35,750 --> 01:10:35,760
» So theoretically this would be a um

1676
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:40,000
profit of about $130,000

1677
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,719
if you looked at it that way.

1678
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:44,790
>> It

1679
01:10:44,790 --> 01:10:44,800
» It

1680
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,560
it's more of an exchange of property.

1681
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,000
Yeah, it is. I see where you're

1682
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,310
>> Yeah. In other words, we didn't pay fair

1683
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:50,320
» Yeah. In other words, we didn't pay fair

1684
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:53,440
market. We we kind of sort of did, but

1685
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:54,480
we got a piece of property through

1686
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:55,520
condomination.

1687
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:57,990
>> That's correct. And and at that time, um

1688
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:58,000
» That's correct. And and at that time, um

1689
01:10:58,000 --> 01:10:59,679
again, like I said, this was part of

1690
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:01,760
imminent domain proceedings. So, the

1691
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,600
intent of that property at that time was

1692
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:04,880
for

1693
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,149
>> um uh wastewater wetlands um

1694
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:10,159
» um uh wastewater wetlands um

1695
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:11,350
>> mediation, if you will,

1696
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:11,360
» mediation, if you will,

1697
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,990
>> more more conservation and remediation

1698
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:14,000
» more more conservation and remediation

1699
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:14,880
for wetlands

1700
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:20,229
>> at that time. That's correct.

1701
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:23,760
» How wet is the area? Do we know?

1702
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,870
>> I don't believe I don't believe it's

1703
01:11:26,870 --> 01:11:26,880
» I don't believe I don't believe it's

1704
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:27,920
wet.

1705
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:28,870
>> That's years ago

1706
01:11:28,870 --> 01:11:28,880
» That's years ago

1707
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,990
>> because I know at one point they were

1708
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:30,000
» because I know at one point they were

1709
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,000
looking for frogs and other amphibians.

1710
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:36,070
>> That study that I mentioned, it just was

1711
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:36,080
» That study that I mentioned, it just was

1712
01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:40,790
not a suitable habitat for those.

1713
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:42,719
» Okay, Frank, do you have something else?

1714
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:44,800
I was going to say if we if we develop

1715
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,080
the the property in green or blue is

1716
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:49,760
when we would see the capital gain, but

1717
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,480
at this point if we don't plan the build

1718
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:54,400
owner to do anything, then you really

1719
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,360
don't see a gain.

1720
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,560
So, I think that that the town of Leland

1721
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,239
was operating from a position of

1722
01:12:02,239 --> 01:12:04,800
strength. We should have asked for more

1723
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:07,360
than simply a non-usable piece of land

1724
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:08,719
because we're going to give that land

1725
01:12:08,719 --> 01:12:11,280
owner the missing piece to the puzzle

1726
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,440
that's going to allow him to develop

1727
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:15,840
track A

1728
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,360
and it's not going to benefit the town

1729
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:18,640
of Leland.

1730
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:20,709
>> Mr. Pendleton, I beg to disagree. In

1731
01:12:20,709 --> 01:12:20,719
» Mr. Pendleton, I beg to disagree. In

1732
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,320
fact, I would say that the commercial

1733
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,320
viability would be tied directly to the

1734
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,640
access from Village Road. At present, we

1735
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:29,760
have no access from Village Road.

1736
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,350
>> That's what an easement's for.

1737
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:31,360
» That's what an easement's for.

1738
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,390
>> Yes, sir. However, we don't we don't um

1739
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:36,400
» Yes, sir. However, we don't we don't um

1740
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,280
that is that is just that an easement.

1741
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:39,440
An

1742
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,310
>> easement is is a right of way to allow

1743
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:42,320
» easement is is a right of way to allow

1744
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:44,480
you to access the property. If we didn't

1745
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,080
have an easement, it'd be different, but

1746
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,400
we do. It's a jointly shared easement.

1747
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:51,030
>> Jointly shared and our ability to

1748
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:51,040
» Jointly shared and our ability to

1749
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:52,560
improve it is reduced.

1750
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:55,030
>> Just like Compass Point had a jointly

1751
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:55,040
» Just like Compass Point had a jointly

1752
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:56,800
shared easement to enter in on the east

1753
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:57,440
side.

1754
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:58,149
>> Yes, we do.

1755
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:58,159
» Yes, we do.

1756
01:12:58,159 --> 01:12:59,910
>> So, we we've got access to this

1757
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:59,920
» So, we we've got access to this

1758
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,400
property. My point is while there

1759
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,120
there's a a certain value conveniently

1760
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,960
at 177,000 appraised for each property

1761
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,440
once this transaction is completed and

1762
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:13,600
that land owner acquires the parcel in

1763
01:13:13,600 --> 01:13:17,360
blue track A plus the blue parcel will

1764
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,120
cause it to go up in value

1765
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:20,239
substantially.

1766
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,630
>> Yes. Which we will then tax.

1767
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:22,640
» Yes. Which we will then tax.

1768
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,270
>> That's right. So unless we can unless we

1769
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:25,280
» That's right. So unless we can unless we

1770
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,199
can guarantee the taxpayers that we're

1771
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,360
not going to increase taxes in the next

1772
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,520
budget, I don't see where it benefits

1773
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,679
the taxpayers. I think what we should

1774
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:36,400
have done is asked for a track C in

1775
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,560
addition to the green piece. At least we

1776
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,320
would had a usable parcel on Village

1777
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,800
Road that we could have used.

1778
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,550
>> We don't know if that was available in

1779
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:44,560
» We don't know if that was available in

1780
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,719
the negotiation.

1781
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:49,750
>> Did you say no?

1782
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:49,760
» Did you say no?

1783
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:51,830
>> Because he came to us apparently. We

1784
01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:51,840
» Because he came to us apparently. We

1785
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,199
didn't go to him. Actually,

1786
01:13:55,199 --> 01:13:58,480
what you just said um causes me to beg

1787
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:02,000
to differ with you because um right now

1788
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,880
its taxable use is limited because of

1789
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,040
the oddly shaped piece of Leland land

1790
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,920
that's in the middle of it. Um if we

1791
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,080
exchange the property and he now has a

1792
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,640
much more usable piece of land that will

1793
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:18,400
be developed into something um then the

1794
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,360
taxable property tax that the town would

1795
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,840
receive from whatever it is that he

1796
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:25,600
plans to build on it would be

1797
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,120
substantially more than what we're

1798
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,159
taxing him for now.

1799
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:31,750
>> We don't we don't know what that is.

1800
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:31,760
» We don't we don't know what that is.

1801
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,719
It's it's the the infamous marketing and

1802
01:14:34,719 --> 01:14:40,080
magic uh wand of future economic uh

1803
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:41,840
viabilities and all that. And I'm not an

1804
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,000
economist and I'm not a realtor and I'm

1805
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,920
not going to look at fair market versus

1806
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,679
future market values. So at this point

1807
01:14:49,679 --> 01:14:53,360
um I don't see any real use for us as a

1808
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:54,480
town that we're getting out of this

1809
01:14:54,480 --> 01:14:56,880
piece of property right now. Um, at

1810
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,880
least we will give the neighbors on um,

1811
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:04,080
Woodland a buffer between whatever goes

1812
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,960
there and eventually we'll get some sort

1813
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,640
of property tax uh, benefit from a piece

1814
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,480
of property that now has kind of this

1815
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:14,000
weird I'm trying to figure out what the

1816
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:15,280
heck I could call that. It's not really

1817
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,280
like almost a half funnel or something

1818
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:18,960
shaped property that's smack in the

1819
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,159
middle of this other track. But that's

1820
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:25,600
just my two cents.

1821
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,560
Okay. Any more?

1822
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,159
All right. Does anybody have a motion

1823
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,669
they want to make?

1824
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:39,030
» Motion to adopt resolution R26-050

1825
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,800
authorizing the exchange of real

1826
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:42,239
property.

1827
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,149
>> Second.

1828
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:44,159
» Second.

1829
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:47,189
>> Any discussion?

1830
01:15:47,189 --> 01:15:47,199
» Any discussion?

1831
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:48,480
All in favor?

1832
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:49,350
>> I.

1833
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:49,360
» I.

1834
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,630
>> Any oppose?

1835
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:50,640
» Any oppose?

1836
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:51,830
>> Nay.

1837
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:51,840
» Nay.

1838
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:54,870
>> Motion carries.

1839
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:54,880
» Motion carries.

1840
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:58,159
We go down into older new business

1841
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:01,360
staff reports are on your iPads.

1842
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:03,520
Mayor, if I could, I just wanted to give

1843
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,239
a couple of highlights from the reports.

1844
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:09,750
>> Okay. Um I have from our communications

1845
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:09,760
» Okay. Um I have from our communications

1846
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:14,159
team we had in June our Facebook views

1847
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:18,400
increased 144% from the prior month and

1848
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:22,480
our June Instagram views increased 527%

1849
01:16:22,480 --> 01:16:25,199
from the prior month. So something to be

1850
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:27,280
excited about more people are viewing

1851
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,679
our posts. So

1852
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,920
also want to note that our budget manual

1853
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:34,800
for fiscal year 2627 was published on

1854
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,760
the website. So feel free to go online

1855
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:40,159
and look through that. It's um under our

1856
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,000
finance department section of the

1857
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,520
website.

1858
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:46,719
Uh we also had some data that was

1859
01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,120
provided by staff in our from the human

1860
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,679
human resources department. They had

1861
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:54,320
analyzed some data from January through

1862
01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:59,360
June of the prior four years um and came

1863
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:02,640
out with some some good data for u the

1864
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,840
organization. our turnover has declined

1865
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:08,000
from 10.3%

1866
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:11,360
um to 5.7% as of the end of the second

1867
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:15,120
quarter of 2026. Um and also our average

1868
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,920
employee tenure has increased from 3.7

1869
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,640
years to 4.4 years over that same time

1870
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,880
period. So

1871
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:23,830
>> thank you Missy.

1872
01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:23,840
» thank you Missy.

1873
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,990
>> You're welcome. Anybody have any

1874
01:17:25,990 --> 01:17:26,000
» You're welcome. Anybody have any

1875
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,360
questions on that for Missy?

1876
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:32,870
All right.

1877
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,719
So, next we go on to

1878
01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:45,510
council comments. Um,

1879
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:46,880
» Mr. Leland.

1880
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:47,910
>> Yes, ma'am.

1881
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:47,920
» Yes, ma'am.

1882
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:49,590
>> State health.

1883
01:17:49,590 --> 01:17:49,600
» State health.

1884
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:52,630
>> Yes, ma'am. Um, good evening. This

1885
01:17:52,630 --> 01:17:52,640
» Yes, ma'am. Um, good evening. This

1886
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,760
morning, my wife and I had the

1887
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,199
opportunity to attend the Greater

1888
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:56,640
Wilmington Chamber of Commerce's

1889
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:58,640
healthcare power breakfast where leaders

1890
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:00,239
from healthc care, higher education,

1891
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:01,679
business, and local government came

1892
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,040
together to discuss the future of

1893
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:04,960
healthcare in southeastern North

1894
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,040
Carolina. And certainly, while I fully

1895
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:08,320
understand that members of the town

1896
01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,000
council do not establish healthcare

1897
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:11,520
policy, I think we have an important

1898
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,920
responsibility to advocate for quality

1899
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,840
health care services for the residents

1900
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,320
who we represent. healthcare access,

1901
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:19,920
preventative care, and strong regional

1902
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,760
partnerships directly impact the quality

1903
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,159
of life for the people we serve. And I

1904
01:18:24,159 --> 01:18:26,080
believe these are issues worthy of our

1905
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,560
attention and support. This evening, I'd

1906
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,159
like to highlight several key points

1907
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:31,679
from the discussion because I believe

1908
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:33,199
they underscore the importance of

1909
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:35,199
advocating for accessible, highquality

1910
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:37,120
healthcare for residents of Brunswick

1911
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,600
County and Leland. One thing did become

1912
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,440
abundantly clear to those of us in

1913
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:43,360
attendance. Our region is at a pivotal

1914
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:45,280
moment in our healthc care history.

1915
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:46,800
Southeastern North Carolina is one of

1916
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,320
the fastest growing areas in the state

1917
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,920
and with that growth comes increasing

1918
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,600
demand for physicians, nurses,

1919
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,840
hospitals, specialty care, mental health

1920
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,840
services, and healthcare infrastructure.

1921
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:57,679
The challenge before us is not simply

1922
01:18:57,679 --> 01:18:59,920
keeping pace with today's growth, but

1923
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:01,520
planning for where our region will need

1924
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,400
to be 10 and 20 years from now. One of

1925
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,320
the primary topics discussed was the

1926
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:09,120
state certificate of need process, also

1927
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:12,000
known as CO, and the need for additional

1928
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:14,800
hospital capacity. At present, New Hover

1929
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,480
County has been identified and has

1930
01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:20,080
approve been approved for 225 new acute

1931
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,640
care beds to meet future demand. Three

1932
01:19:22,640 --> 01:19:24,719
major health care systems have submitted

1933
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:27,760
proposals. A brief review of those. UNCC

1934
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,320
Health has proposed constructing a new

1935
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,560
150 bed acute care hospital while

1936
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,800
expanding outpatient services and

1937
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,040
primary care throughout the region.

1938
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,679
Atrian Health has proposed of building a

1939
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:41,520
new community hospital in northern New

1940
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,760
Hover County that would begin with 42

1941
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:46,159
beds and grow as the community continues

1942
01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:48,719
to expand. Novant Health has proposed

1943
01:19:48,719 --> 01:19:51,520
expanding its regional medical center

1944
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:54,400
through a $1.6 billion investment that

1945
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,480
includes a new heart and vascular tower,

1946
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,960
expanded surgical services, a larger

1947
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,880
rehabilitation hospital, and additional

1948
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,520
outpatient facilities. One statement

1949
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,920
that I think was especially was

1950
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:07,679
especially important for those of us

1951
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:10,719
came from Lori Whan, president of Novant

1952
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:12,480
Health Wilmington. When asked about

1953
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:14,480
their plans for serving Brunswick County

1954
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:18,320
residents, she stated that 50%

1955
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,960
of their current patients travel to

1956
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,679
Wilmington from Brunswick County for

1957
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:27,040
care. Again, Novon is telling us that

1958
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,560
50%

1959
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,360
of their current patient load are people

1960
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,360
from this county and perhaps this

1961
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,760
community as well. While each proposal

1962
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,679
is different, every organization agreed

1963
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:39,760
on one important point. The health care

1964
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,679
needs of our region are growing rapidly

1965
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,440
and additional capacity will be

1966
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,679
necessary for many years to come.

1967
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:48,080
Perhaps the most exciting announcement

1968
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,440
involved education. UNCW continues to

1969
01:20:51,440 --> 01:20:53,120
move forward with plans to establish

1970
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:54,880
North Carolina's first new public

1971
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,360
medical school in more than 50 years.

1972
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,199
The goal is to educate physicians here

1973
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:01,040
in southeastern North Carolina with a

1974
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,760
particular emphasis on primary care and

1975
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,800
serving rural communities.

1976
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,800
In that same spirit of promoting

1977
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,480
community health, I am working with a

1978
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:12,159
team from Novant Health to bring a World

1979
01:21:12,159 --> 01:21:14,320
Stroke Day event to Leland this year.

1980
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,159
Our goal is to provide residents with

1981
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:17,600
stroke prevention education and

1982
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:19,679
convenient screenings for several major

1983
01:21:19,679 --> 01:21:21,920
risk factors including corateed artery

1984
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:23,600
plaque buildup and other vascular

1985
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,760
conditions. By bringing these resources

1986
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,280
directly to our community, we can

1987
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:29,360
encourage early detection, increase

1988
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,040
awareness, and help our residents live

1989
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,440
longer, happier lives. As someone who

1990
01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,120
serves this community, I left today's

1991
01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,360
breakfast very encouraged. I saw healthc

1992
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,280
care competitors sitting together on one

1993
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:40,960
stage discussing how they can better

1994
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:44,239
serve our region. I saw educators

1995
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,480
I saw educators, business leaders, and

1996
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:47,679
government officials working

1997
01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:49,679
collaboratively to address work

1998
01:21:49,679 --> 01:21:51,600
workforce shortages before they become

1999
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,760
crises. And I saw a shared commitment to

2000
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:55,199
ensuring that southeastern North

2001
01:21:55,199 --> 01:21:57,360
Carolina continues to be a place where

2002
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,120
families can receive outstanding health

2003
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,120
care close to home. The challenges are

2004
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,400
significant, but so are the

2005
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,920
opportunities. Thank you.

2006
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,709
>> Wow.

2007
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:11,679
» Okay. And then next you had

2008
01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:14,870
>> uh you had 94, but I'd be happy to go

2009
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:14,880
» uh you had 94, but I'd be happy to go

2010
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,520
on. Um I I wanted to just uh clarify

2011
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:19,189
>> I'll wait and do mine after you finish.

2012
01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:19,199
» I'll wait and do mine after you finish.

2013
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,590
>> Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. I just wanted to

2014
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:21,600
» Absolutely. Yes, ma'am. I just wanted to

2015
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,360
to bring up the issue of Citizens

2016
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:25,040
Academy again. As you guys know, we

2017
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,880
discussed it during our agenda meeting.

2018
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,560
We've been talking about this for some

2019
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:29,840
time, and I just want to make sure that

2020
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:31,280
we're all on the same page about what

2021
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:33,440
our expectation would be from staff at

2022
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:36,480
our August meeting. Um we have discussed

2023
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:40,400
a um a proposed agenda and curriculum.

2024
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:42,239
We did not discuss proposed meeting

2025
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:45,199
dates. Uh which staff would be I guess

2026
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:46,639
it would be operated through the clerk's

2027
01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:49,760
office. But what my question tonight is,

2028
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,639
would it be possible for us to to begin

2029
01:22:52,639 --> 01:22:54,400
uh after this meeting to poll town

2030
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,159
council members for possible interview

2031
01:22:56,159 --> 01:22:58,480
dates in September with start dates for

2032
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:01,520
participants in September 20 with a

2033
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,760
possible start date between September

2034
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:07,040
21st and September 30th. Um I know that

2035
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,120
I know how hard the clerk's office works

2036
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:09,679
and I

2037
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:12,390
>> I'm not sure if that date would work or

2038
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:12,400
» I'm not sure if that date would work or

2039
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,840
not. I really am going to need a little

2040
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,159
bit more time. I understand. If not

2041
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:18,239
those dates, could you give We We've

2042
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:19,679
been discussing and kicking this can

2043
01:23:19,679 --> 01:23:21,440
down the road for several months. I just

2044
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:23,360
would like to ask what it might be

2045
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:26,719
reasonable for us to expect from you um

2046
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:29,840
in the next 30, 60, and 90 days on that.

2047
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,310
>> Okay. Well, staff can work on providing

2048
01:23:32,310 --> 01:23:32,320
» Okay. Well, staff can work on providing

2049
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:35,199
you with an update at the August agenda

2050
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:37,040
meeting and we can talk a little bit

2051
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:42,550
more then about the timeline,

2052
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,872
» with the possible start date of when.

2053
01:23:45,872 --> 01:23:49,110
[clears throat]

2054
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,080
Well, we want to talk first about the

2055
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,840
program and how we're going to lay it

2056
01:23:53,840 --> 01:23:56,639
out and that's what we would like to

2057
01:23:56,639 --> 01:23:59,360
bring forward to you first and then from

2058
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,000
there we can go ahead and schedule when

2059
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,520
we would started.

2060
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:05,430
>> Is it possible to do that on August the

2061
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:05,440
» Is it possible to do that on August the

2062
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:07,520
20th at our next regular business at our

2063
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:10,239
next regular meeting

2064
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,310
>> to talk about the timeline

2065
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:12,320
» to talk about the timeline

2066
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,550
>> vision for vision for the project in

2067
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:14,560
» vision for vision for the project in

2068
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:15,840
general? Yes, ma'am.

2069
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:16,229
>> Yes.

2070
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:16,239
» Yes.

2071
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:20,790
>> Okay.

2072
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,280
Um, one other thing we talked about, um,

2073
01:24:23,280 --> 01:24:24,880
Mr. Hollis, I know we talked about the

2074
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,239
beautifification of the 7476 corridor

2075
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,960
and and Highway 17. It seems like

2076
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,760
several months since we've um brought

2077
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,560
that up in in a regular meeting. What

2078
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:39,120
would be reasonable for us to um

2079
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,560
discuss? Are you are you looking for

2080
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:42,159
more input from us? Where are we on

2081
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:42,800
that?

2082
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:44,229
>> No. So, we've had some conversations

2083
01:24:44,229 --> 01:24:44,239
» No. So, we've had some conversations

2084
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:45,199
with the

2085
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:50,229
>> agenda. Okay. I'm I'm sorry. I

2086
01:24:50,229 --> 01:24:50,239
» agenda. Okay. I'm I'm sorry. I

2087
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:51,510
>> Yeah, Madam Mayor, I think we're

2088
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:51,520
» Yeah, Madam Mayor, I think we're

2089
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,270
>> allow it though because it's

2090
01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:53,280
» allow it though because it's

2091
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:54,709
>> Madame Mayor, I think there was an item

2092
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:54,719
» Madame Mayor, I think there was an item

2093
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:59,360
9.4 that was your item, the shell,

2094
01:24:59,360 --> 01:25:01,110
>> and I told him to go ahead with his

2095
01:25:01,110 --> 01:25:01,120
» and I told him to go ahead with his

2096
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:04,400
because he had his list,

2097
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,239
but that's okay. We'll we'll get it all

2098
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:06,800
straight.

2099
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,149
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

2100
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:08,159
» Thank you. [clears throat]

2101
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:10,390
>> All right.

2102
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:10,400
» All right.

2103
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:10,960
So, my

2104
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:12,950
>> I'm sorry. Can we Is it possible for us

2105
01:25:12,950 --> 01:25:12,960
» I'm sorry. Can we Is it possible for us

2106
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:14,960
to discuss that or hear what Mr. Holl

2107
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,639
was going to tell us about that.

2108
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:19,270
>> Yeah, I'll allow it.

2109
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:19,280
» Yeah, I'll allow it.

2110
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:20,790
>> Yeah. So, we have some we've had some

2111
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:20,800
» Yeah. So, we have some we've had some

2112
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,440
conversations with the NC DOT. They have

2113
01:25:23,440 --> 01:25:25,760
looked at several locations around the

2114
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:29,440
town for potential wildflower locations

2115
01:25:29,440 --> 01:25:31,679
and and things of that sort. there are

2116
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:34,560
very limited uh areas that the DOT is

2117
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:38,000
willing to uh consider for that and our

2118
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,920
public works staff is working with them

2119
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,880
to see if they can u move forward with

2120
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:44,880
some of those locations to determine if

2121
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,280
they would be acceptable or not. So

2122
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:48,480
that's kind of where we are with that

2123
01:25:48,480 --> 01:25:49,760
process right now.

2124
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,430
>> Okay. When would it be reasonable for us

2125
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:51,440
» Okay. When would it be reasonable for us

2126
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:52,560
to hear from you again?

2127
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,070
>> Yeah. So next month we'll we'll be able

2128
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:54,080
» Yeah. So next month we'll we'll be able

2129
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,280
to do that. Um, and an overall

2130
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:59,679
beautifification plan was one of the

2131
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:02,560
items that council had asked us about.

2132
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,360
That's an item that we're engaged in,

2133
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:07,199
but that's going to not be an item for

2134
01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:08,400
next month. That's something that's

2135
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,760
going to take a little more time.

2136
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:11,910
>> Okay. When we initially talked about

2137
01:26:11,910 --> 01:26:11,920
» Okay. When we initially talked about

2138
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,840
that, you asked me what I wanted to see.

2139
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,800
At that time, I really um did not have a

2140
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:18,960
vision for that. I kind of do now. And

2141
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,800
so perhaps outside of a meeting, you and

2142
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,560
I could talk about some ideas that um

2143
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,800
that that could be implemented through

2144
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:27,600
through such a

2145
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,470
>> certainly welcome to hear any ideas uh

2146
01:26:30,470 --> 01:26:30,480
» certainly welcome to hear any ideas uh

2147
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,000
anything of that sort when we bring it

2148
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:33,360
back. We'll bring it back for the full

2149
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:34,320
council to consider.

2150
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:36,550
>> Yes, sir. I don't know if they still do

2151
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:36,560
» Yes, sir. I don't know if they still do

2152
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:41,120
it or not, but um I know years ago DOT

2153
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,280
if you ordered your license plates with

2154
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,159
something personal on it,

2155
01:26:46,159 --> 01:26:48,960
the money for that personalized plate

2156
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,360
went towards beautifying the roads. Um

2157
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:54,960
I don't know if they still do that or

2158
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,320
not, but it might be something to check

2159
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:58,080
into and encourage people to get

2160
01:26:58,080 --> 01:26:59,600
impersonal

2161
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,600
license plates.

2162
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:04,639
So, all right. I had on their Shell

2163
01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:07,199
Bank. Shell Bank's a small community

2164
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:11,600
over in the Westgate area. Um, a few

2165
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:13,600
years ago, they came to us wanting us to

2166
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:18,239
set the roads, but um the there was some

2167
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:19,760
work that needed to be done. The

2168
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,080
developer never turned them over to us.

2169
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,040
And then he changed something in the

2170
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,360
deed or something with where the

2171
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,560
apartments's being built behind this

2172
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,800
neighborhood could use the roads.

2173
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:37,199
And anyway, they they they feel like

2174
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,440
it's hopeless. They don't have the money

2175
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:41,920
to make the changes we want on that one

2176
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,880
road. So they asked, could the other

2177
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,960
street be taken in by the town?

2178
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,159
It's it's two it's two streets and then

2179
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,719
the the street kind of behind them is

2180
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:56,320
not really a street. It's just a

2181
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,080
drive-thru.

2182
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,800
And uh so they asked, "Can we get the

2183
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:03,920
one road done while they're trying to

2184
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,040
find a way to do the other road to fix

2185
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,960
the things to make the so the town will

2186
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,151
take them?"

2187
01:28:11,151 --> 01:28:13,430
[clears throat]

2188
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:14,880
Madame Mayor, we would encourage the

2189
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:18,880
HOA, I assume that's who it is, who uh

2190
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,040
would like to have that road considered

2191
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:23,679
to contact staff. There is a process for

2192
01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:26,400
road dedication. Uh we would, you know,

2193
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,080
look at that and go through that process

2194
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:29,679
inspection and everything else that goes

2195
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:30,800
along with it

2196
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:34,470
>> uh and see if it would qualify uh for a

2197
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:34,480
» uh and see if it would qualify uh for a

2198
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:35,520
dedication.

2199
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:36,470
>> Okay.

2200
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:36,480
» Okay.

2201
01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:38,310
>> Is this in regard to the email that we

2202
01:28:38,310 --> 01:28:38,320
» Is this in regard to the email that we

2203
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:39,760
received from the constituent who

2204
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:40,149
>> No.

2205
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:40,159
» No.

2206
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:43,110
>> Okay. This this is a little small

2207
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:43,120
» Okay. This this is a little small

2208
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:44,800
neighborhood. Very small.

2209
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:45,430
>> Okay.

2210
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:45,440
» Okay.

2211
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:49,189
>> I think there's like u 40 40 little

2212
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:49,199
» I think there's like u 40 40 little

2213
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:53,520
patio homes or town homes. Okay. Thank

2214
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,800
you. Um Mr. Cogginage, you got anything

2215
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,040
you want to add tonight?

2216
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:00,629
>> I think this might be the first time in

2217
01:29:00,629 --> 01:29:00,639
» I think this might be the first time in

2218
01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:05,360
my tenure as your uh attorney uh to take

2219
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,920
some time to tell you of a extremely

2220
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,400
important legislative development. Okay,

2221
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:14,070
>> that took place a week ago Tuesday.

2222
01:29:14,070 --> 01:29:14,080
» that took place a week ago Tuesday.

2223
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:17,679
The legislature passed an amendment to

2224
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:20,960
uh chapter 160D, which is the statute

2225
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,840
that governs land development decisions

2226
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,239
uh by all municipalities.

2227
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:29,520
It directly affects the functions of the

2228
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,560
board of adjustment and as well as

2229
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:35,840
generally planning staff. You may recall

2230
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:39,840
from uh your uh if you would uh go to

2231
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,679
school uh instructions about how boards

2232
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:46,800
of judgments are organized. What things

2233
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:48,800
do they decide? They decide primarily

2234
01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:50,960
variances

2235
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,719
and appeals from certain decisions that

2236
01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:56,560
the town makes regarding land

2237
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,280
development.

2238
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,239
Under the prior statutory

2239
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:06,719
scheme and is held up by case law, if

2240
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:09,600
you were a person that disagreed with

2241
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,840
what the town decided on a particular

2242
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,600
matter,

2243
01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:17,040
you had to file an appeal to the board

2244
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,960
of adjustment.

2245
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,440
You could not go directly to court. You

2246
01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:23,600
had to first file the appeal to the

2247
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,440
board of adjustment within 30 days of

2248
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:27,679
the written decision.

2249
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:29,199
And then if you didn't like the outcome

2250
01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:32,320
of that, you uh appealed then directly

2251
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:35,440
for judicial review. Okay, that's

2252
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:38,000
complicated enough as it is, but that

2253
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:40,000
particular scheme has been turned on its

2254
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:42,800
head. uh the legislature uh in these

2255
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:45,920
amendments as I read them is that then

2256
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,920
someone who is for lack of a better word

2257
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,440
dissatisfied

2258
01:30:49,440 --> 01:30:51,280
with the decision that the town has

2259
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,440
made. Yes, they can still go to the

2260
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:57,040
board of adjustment if they want to, but

2261
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:00,239
if they want to, they can also file a

2262
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:04,000
lawsuit against the town.

2263
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:08,080
And they have three years to do it

2264
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:10,480
without having to go through the

2265
01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:12,560
administrative appeal process to the

2266
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:14,719
board of adjustment.

2267
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:18,080
This is a real sea change in procedure

2268
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:21,520
and uh municipalities all across the

2269
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:23,600
state including this one are going to

2270
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,719
have to do some serious internal u

2271
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:29,440
discussions about how that affects our

2272
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,800
procedures, how we weigh our respective

2273
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,480
uh risk involved because that very same

2274
01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,639
amendment provides

2275
01:31:38,639 --> 01:31:43,920
that in the event someone appeals

2276
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,400
and wins

2277
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:51,040
on the basis that the town in its

2278
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:56,639
actions exceeded unambiguous

2279
01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:59,440
limitations on its authority.

2280
01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:05,669
The town has exposure for attorney fees.

2281
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:08,239
Made even more complicated in this is

2282
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:12,000
that an additional tool was added to the

2283
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,440
planning department for its decisions.

2284
01:32:15,440 --> 01:32:18,719
It now is empowered and in fact must

2285
01:32:18,719 --> 01:32:22,239
exercise upon request

2286
01:32:22,239 --> 01:32:26,000
to give an interpretive decision

2287
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:29,040
on whether under a certain stated set of

2288
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:30,800
facts

2289
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:33,520
how the town would interpret and imply

2290
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:35,760
and apply one of its land development

2291
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,520
ordinances.

2292
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,400
In other words, something that is that

2293
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:44,159
was hereto for speculative

2294
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:46,080
town staff was not expected to act on

2295
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,000
any particular decisions unless a

2296
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,719
concrete proposal an application for a

2297
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:53,280
particular development project was made.

2298
01:32:53,280 --> 01:32:54,800
Now

2299
01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:58,480
one can put together a for instance a

2300
01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:01,920
hypothetical set of facts if you would

2301
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:04,080
and say under these facts how would you

2302
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:05,440
apply the ordinance? what would you

2303
01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:08,159
interpret the ordinance to mean? Now, I

2304
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,920
think that that can be a very useful

2305
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,520
tool um as you know to put together a

2306
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,920
development application in certain uh

2307
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:19,679
instances can be a very complex

2308
01:33:19,679 --> 01:33:23,120
drawn out and expensive endeavor.

2309
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,199
But and sometimes there are instances

2310
01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:27,679
where uh the developer for instance

2311
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:29,840
would not want to incur that expense if

2312
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,120
it knew in advance what the town's

2313
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,960
particular um view was on how would

2314
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,600
interpret an ordinance.

2315
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:41,360
Now they have that tool available that

2316
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:43,199
they can ask staff to say okay if this

2317
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:45,600
and this and this and this and this what

2318
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,520
does the town say about how our

2319
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,120
ordinances would be applied in that

2320
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,920
matter. that is deemed to be a final

2321
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:56,080
decision and then they also have the

2322
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,360
right to appeal that

2323
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:02,709
>> within three years and if the decision

2324
01:34:02,709 --> 01:34:02,719
» within three years and if the decision

2325
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:06,239
is uh made and is found to be in excess

2326
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:08,960
of the town's unambiguous authority.

2327
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,280
Okay. Uh we have the exposure for

2328
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,000
attorney vis on that. Um, this is a

2329
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:16,400
significant development and I think it's

2330
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:18,080
worthwhile to you be aware of that and

2331
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,520
to know the kind of pressures are going

2332
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,360
to be placed on your planning department

2333
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:24,880
in responding to this significant change

2334
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,760
in the procedural landscape that the

2335
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,719
town has to deal with. Um, it's also

2336
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:32,400
important because you're in the midst

2337
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,480
right now of having to decide about

2338
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,120
amendments to your UDO.

2339
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:39,280
And I don't think uh decisions about

2340
01:34:39,280 --> 01:34:42,719
what your UDO uh should be made. Surely

2341
01:34:42,719 --> 01:34:45,840
you can adopt it, but don't do it uh

2342
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:47,600
don't adopt it in a vacuum without being

2343
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,560
aware of these significant changes.

2344
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,830
>> Which which um Bennett state law was

2345
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:53,840
» Which which um Bennett state law was

2346
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:54,639
this? What number?

2347
01:34:54,639 --> 01:34:58,550
>> This is session law 2026-41

2348
01:34:58,550 --> 01:34:58,560
» This is session law 2026-41

2349
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,199
particularly which is an extremely long

2350
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,840
session law. But you're only concerned

2351
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:09,030
with sections 39.5.

2352
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:10,320
» Thank you.

2353
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,910
>> Somewhat related to that, as you know

2354
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:11,920
» Somewhat related to that, as you know

2355
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:13,440
that in very narrow instances,

2356
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:16,080
municipalities do have the rights uh

2357
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,000
some municipalities do have the right of

2358
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,199
involuntary annexation. If there if you

2359
01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:22,800
call them about urbanization projects

2360
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,280
and whatnot, the legislature says that

2361
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,760
you can't do that for uh new

2362
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,280
subdivisions that are greater than a

2363
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:31,920
thousand acres. and they basically, for

2364
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,280
lack of a better word, look and feel

2365
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,280
like a town. They have their own police

2366
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:37,440
protection, fire protection, water,

2367
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:40,080
sewer, you know, that kind of thing. Uh

2368
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:41,280
that's something that the town would

2369
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,120
want to be aware of if ever it had the

2370
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:46,400
ability to annex restore to it under the

2371
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,880
current statutory schemes. Uh but that's

2372
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:51,600
something that your uh neighbor

2373
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:52,960
municipalities are going to be dealing

2374
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:53,920
with as well.

2375
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:55,270
>> Would you mind saying that one more

2376
01:35:55,270 --> 01:35:55,280
» Would you mind saying that one more

2377
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,280
time? It was a little confusing. there's

2378
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,880
a very narrow uh instance left by which

2379
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,679
certain municipalities can involuntarily

2380
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:05,199
annex.

2381
01:36:05,199 --> 01:36:07,040
Okay. There is protection of a

2382
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,480
referendum. You have to have a

2383
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:12,000
referendum that's in in favor of it. Um

2384
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,320
but and even then only in a narrow

2385
01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:17,199
context though of

2386
01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:18,800
urban projects where you're trying to do

2387
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,639
urban renewal for blighted areas or

2388
01:36:20,639 --> 01:36:22,960
poverty povertystricken areas. All

2389
01:36:22,960 --> 01:36:26,320
right. Um, and there's certain criteria

2390
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:28,880
you have to meet. But the legislature

2391
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,440
restricted that further, being able to

2392
01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:33,840
do that by limiting it by saying, let's

2393
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,679
say if a developer comes along is going

2394
01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:37,600
to do a huge subdivision that there are,

2395
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,840
say, a thousand contiguous acres or

2396
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:43,840
more. Um, and that the services that's

2397
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:45,840
going to be offered by that development

2398
01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,840
have the look and feel of a town. They

2399
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:49,280
have their own security. They have their

2400
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,600
own fire. They have their own um, uh,

2401
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,520
water and sewer. those types of things.

2402
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,159
You can't annex those in under using

2403
01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,320
that procedure. That may or may not ever

2404
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,400
become relevant to Leland depending what

2405
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,400
I do not know what the future holds. But

2406
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:03,760
that's something for you to have in the

2407
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,520
back of your mind that also illustrates

2408
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:07,520
to you what the mindset of the general

2409
01:37:07,520 --> 01:37:10,480
assembly is. Visav municipalities.

2410
01:37:10,480 --> 01:37:12,960
It goes back to my saying again over and

2411
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:14,639
over.

2412
01:37:14,639 --> 01:37:17,920
Leland is a creature of statute. It

2413
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,320
exists only because the legislature says

2414
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,239
it can. It can if it chooses

2415
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:25,920
rule that Leland doesn't have the

2416
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,760
ability to exist anymore, will not exist

2417
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:30,000
anymore or it can grant it more powers

2418
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,800
if it wants to or it can decrease powers

2419
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,199
it gives to it. Okay, this is a

2420
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:38,159
continuing example of this particular

2421
01:37:38,159 --> 01:37:40,960
legislature that is well aware of that

2422
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,679
power.

2423
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,629
>> Mr. Coggins at when I moved here 23

2424
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:46,639
» Mr. Coggins at when I moved here 23

2425
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:48,639
years ago, we were considered a hybrid

2426
01:37:48,639 --> 01:37:52,000
state um regarding home rule versus

2427
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:54,159
Dylan's rule.

2428
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:57,910
>> Um is it fair to say that we are moving

2429
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:57,920
» Um is it fair to say that we are moving

2430
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:00,320
because of case law and decisions as

2431
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:03,280
well as our legislative um amendments to

2432
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:06,080
our um general statutes that we are

2433
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,600
moving closer and closer to being a

2434
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,880
full-blown Dylan's rule state.

2435
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,639
I really hesitate to use those labels

2436
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:14,239
because I think in the end they don't

2437
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:15,600
inform.

2438
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:18,310
>> The bottom line is this. You can only do

2439
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:18,320
» The bottom line is this. You can only do

2440
01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:20,480
what the statute says you can do. And if

2441
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:22,400
the statute doesn't say you can do it,

2442
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,800
you need to think very long and hard

2443
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:26,239
before you do so.

2444
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:28,070
>> Period. You can put any kind of label

2445
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:28,080
» Period. You can put any kind of label

2446
01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:30,239
you want it that you want. Home rule,

2447
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:33,440
Dylan's rude, hybrid, I don't care. The

2448
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:35,040
bottom line is what does the statute

2449
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:35,840
say?

2450
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,669
>> What does it mean? And do you follow it

2451
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:37,679
» What does it mean? And do you follow it

2452
01:38:37,679 --> 01:38:39,119
or not?

2453
01:38:39,119 --> 01:38:41,199
I think most academics think that when

2454
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:43,600
you this the general assembly holds the

2455
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:47,440
rules that's more of a Dylan's rule type

2456
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:49,119
of environment.

2457
01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:51,350
>> You are a political subdivision of the

2458
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:51,360
» You are a political subdivision of the

2459
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:52,400
state of North Carolina.

2460
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:56,709
>> Yep.

2461
01:38:56,719 --> 01:38:59,040
» I have an alibi

2462
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,960
buck.

2463
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,590
>> Mr. Coggins, I want to go back to kind

2464
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:03,600
» Mr. Coggins, I want to go back to kind

2465
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:06,880
of toward the beginning of your

2466
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:08,239
speech.

2467
01:39:08,239 --> 01:39:10,719
Um,

2468
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:14,719
as things seems stood a month ago,

2469
01:39:14,719 --> 01:39:16,719
somebody went to uh the planning board

2470
01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:18,800
and did a request and was denied. They

2471
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,800
had to be then go to the board of

2472
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:25,440
adjustments and if they did not get a

2473
01:39:25,440 --> 01:39:27,280
affirmative response from the board of

2474
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,679
adjustments, then they could appeal to

2475
01:39:29,679 --> 01:39:32,000
uh superior court. That correct?

2476
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:33,350
>> Correct. And they could still do that,

2477
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:33,360
» Correct. And they could still do that,

2478
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:33,920
by the way.

2479
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,830
>> Yeah. Okay. So I I

2480
01:39:35,830 --> 01:39:35,840
» Yeah. Okay. So I I

2481
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:37,350
>> they can still do that, but they've got

2482
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:37,360
» they can still do that, but they've got

2483
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:40,159
another very important tool now in their

2484
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:41,600
toolbox.

2485
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:42,709
>> They can choose to go to the board of

2486
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:42,719
» They can choose to go to the board of

2487
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:45,040
adjustment if they want to, or

2488
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:47,910
>> they can skip the board of adjustment

2489
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:47,920
» they can skip the board of adjustment

2490
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:50,870
>> and sue in superior court. Before they

2491
01:39:50,870 --> 01:39:50,880
» and sue in superior court. Before they

2492
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:51,920
couldn't skip it, okay,

2493
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:53,910
>> now they can sue directly. But get this,

2494
01:39:53,910 --> 01:39:53,920
» now they can sue directly. But get this,

2495
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,600
though. Here's the here's the kicker.

2496
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,679
They've got three years to do it

2497
01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:00,149
>> before they at least had to get on with

2498
01:40:00,149 --> 01:40:00,159
» before they at least had to get on with

2499
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:00,960
the program,

2500
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:01,510
>> right?

2501
01:40:01,510 --> 01:40:01,520
» right?

2502
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,350
>> Okay. And file something within the 30

2503
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:03,360
» Okay. And file something within the 30

2504
01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,840
days. If the developer though doesn't

2505
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,520
want to be under that kind of a rush and

2506
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,239
to uh wait it out, they can wait up to

2507
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:13,360
three years. So that means that I'm

2508
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:15,360
going to be working hard with staff that

2509
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,520
for every major uh development decision

2510
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,520
that the town makes there. We have to

2511
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,440
have it in a tickler system in there

2512
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:23,119
that make sure we know when the statute

2513
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:26,159
of limitations is run. This is an incre

2514
01:40:26,159 --> 01:40:27,440
this is going to be an increased burden

2515
01:40:27,440 --> 01:40:29,440
on your staff and I think it's incumbent

2516
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:30,960
upon you to be aware of those pressures

2517
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,960
that are on your staff. And again, it

2518
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:37,280
doesn't have to be a formal application.

2519
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:40,400
It can be an inquiry that they to which

2520
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:41,920
they did not like the answer and they

2521
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:42,880
may appeal.

2522
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,510
>> I can't predict. Yes. I can't predict

2523
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:45,520
» I can't predict. Yes. I can't predict

2524
01:40:45,520 --> 01:40:47,760
how many times, if at all, you will see

2525
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,000
that. I think you will see it. Will you

2526
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:52,239
see it often? Probably not. But you will

2527
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:55,360
see it. And that, as you can imagine,

2528
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,480
that places interesting dynamics and

2529
01:40:58,480 --> 01:41:00,560
pressures on your staff about how to

2530
01:41:00,560 --> 01:41:03,360
respond when that request is made.

2531
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:06,629
>> I can see us with a bit more liability

2532
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:06,639
» I can see us with a bit more liability

2533
01:41:06,639 --> 01:41:09,440
when you're starting to

2534
01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:13,040
give answers to speculative

2535
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:13,760
what if.

2536
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,310
>> It sure doesn't decrease your liability.

2537
01:41:16,310 --> 01:41:16,320
» It sure doesn't decrease your liability.

2538
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:18,550
>> And I and I went the reason I was asking

2539
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:18,560
» And I and I went the reason I was asking

2540
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,440
about the superior court.

2541
01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:22,639
I thought we were I thought they were

2542
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:25,119
skipping that by going if they sue they

2543
01:41:25,119 --> 01:41:28,000
have to sue through the court.

2544
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,430
>> Yes, they do have to go directly to

2545
01:41:29,430 --> 01:41:29,440
» Yes, they do have to go directly to

2546
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:32,225
superior court. They can I mean they can

2547
01:41:32,225 --> 01:41:32,239
[snorts]

2548
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,149
>> they they can also though choose if they

2549
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:34,159
» they they can also though choose if they

2550
01:41:34,159 --> 01:41:35,760
wish though to choose to go through the

2551
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:37,600
traditional board of adjustment method

2552
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:39,760
and there's a lot of re uh reasons why

2553
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,119
they would choose to do that because for

2554
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:44,480
one thing it's it's faster right than uh

2555
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:47,040
than say just filing a lawsuit uh

2556
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,800
without the benefit of a record being

2557
01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:50,800
developed

2558
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:52,400
before the board of adjustment. There

2559
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,080
are a lot of things for them to weigh as

2560
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,280
well about which way they decide to go.

2561
01:41:57,280 --> 01:41:59,119
But

2562
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:01,199
before

2563
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:03,840
until July

2564
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:06,400
the 7th,

2565
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:11,199
before that, any time that you made a

2566
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:14,000
developmental uh decision on land

2567
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,639
development, a final decision, if 30

2568
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:18,239
days went by, you were pretty much

2569
01:42:18,239 --> 01:42:21,119
assured that it was over, right?

2570
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,030
>> If nothing happened, that's not true

2571
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:23,040
» If nothing happened, that's not true

2572
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,520
anymore. You're going to have to tickle

2573
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,320
it into your system that you have three

2574
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,400
years.

2575
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:31,910
>> You have, lack of better word, this

2576
01:42:31,910 --> 01:42:31,920
» You have, lack of better word, this

2577
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:33,600
sword of damicles hanging over your

2578
01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:34,080
head.

2579
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:34,790
>> Yes.

2580
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:34,800
» Yes.

2581
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,189
>> Do you see um

2582
01:42:37,189 --> 01:42:37,199
» Do you see um

2583
01:42:37,199 --> 01:42:41,040
a need perhaps uh for

2584
01:42:41,040 --> 01:42:43,040
additional training or information

2585
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:45,760
provided to the board of adjustments?

2586
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,790
>> Yes. and uh your staff is probably going

2587
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:48,800
» Yes. and uh your staff is probably going

2588
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,080
to be receiving, if they haven't

2589
01:42:50,080 --> 01:42:53,440
already, notices from uh the League of

2590
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:55,119
Municipalities and UNCC School of

2591
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:57,199
Government on seminars are going to be

2592
01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:00,480
given on this. This is um quite a

2593
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:01,600
change.

2594
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:04,070
>> Is there is there a name yet for the

2595
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:04,080
» Is there is there a name yet for the

2596
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:06,560
statute that you

2597
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,080
that you're referencing other than just

2598
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:09,600
the code?

2599
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:10,870
>> No.

2600
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:10,880
» No.

2601
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,470
>> I'm just curious, what was the path to

2602
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:12,480
» I'm just curious, what was the path to

2603
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,400
law? Did it go through the legislature

2604
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:18,080
and was signed by the governor? Yes.

2605
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,430
>> Is this another Senate Bill 382? Um is

2606
01:43:21,430 --> 01:43:21,440
» Is this another Senate Bill 382? Um is

2607
01:43:21,440 --> 01:43:24,000
there any chance of this um coming

2608
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,280
before the general assembly perhaps next

2609
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,080
long session and um being amended or

2610
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:32,239
rescended or anything? Is there any

2611
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:36,560
scuttlebutt amongst municipal lawyers?

2612
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:37,510
>> I don't know.

2613
01:43:37,510 --> 01:43:37,520
» I don't know.

2614
01:43:37,520 --> 01:43:37,990
>> Okay.

2615
01:43:37,990 --> 01:43:38,000
» Okay.

2616
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,430
>> It's still it's still way too early.

2617
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:39,440
» It's still it's still way too early.

2618
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:40,470
>> It's still way too early.

2619
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:40,480
» It's still way too early.

2620
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,709
>> Okay.

2621
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:42,719
» Okay.

2622
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:44,709
>> Wow.

2623
01:43:44,709 --> 01:43:44,719
» Wow.

2624
01:43:44,719 --> 01:43:47,040
And thank you. I I hesitate to take your

2625
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:49,119
time, but I felt this was worthy of your

2626
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:50,960
attention. You would want to be aware.

2627
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:51,669
>> Appreciate it.

2628
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:51,679
» Appreciate it.

2629
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:55,270
>> It's time well spent.

2630
01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:55,280
» It's time well spent.

2631
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:58,709
>> Yeah, we needed to know that. Okay.

2632
01:43:58,709 --> 01:43:58,719
» Yeah, we needed to know that. Okay.

2633
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:00,320
Council got anything else?

2634
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,149
>> Yes, ma'am. Um I just want to remind my

2635
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:02,159
» Yes, ma'am. Um I just want to remind my

2636
01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:04,400
fellow council members that on Monday,

2637
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,199
July 20th at 10 o'clock, um Brezer

2638
01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:09,040
County Habitat for Humanity will have a

2639
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:10,080
house dedication.

2640
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:13,189
>> Yes. um which is u the kind of like the

2641
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:13,199
» Yes. um which is u the kind of like the

2642
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,440
remember the old TV show move that bus

2643
01:44:15,440 --> 01:44:17,199
kind of thing where the homeowner

2644
01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:19,840
finally gets the keys and it all comes

2645
01:44:19,840 --> 01:44:21,440
together and you know you can get a

2646
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:22,880
little tearyeyed and all that good stuff

2647
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:25,760
that would be the time to do it. So um I

2648
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:27,600
would I plan Lord willing to be there

2649
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:31,360
and I invite not just um council members

2650
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,600
but staff and general public and anybody

2651
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,360
else is there to if you have mental

2652
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,679
habitat home dedication it's a special

2653
01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:39,760
moment. How many homes do they have over

2654
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:40,719
there now?

2655
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:44,870
>> Oh my goodness. Um I want to say and I

2656
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:44,880
» Oh my goodness. Um I want to say and I

2657
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,040
haven't counted them. There's something

2658
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:48,880
like seven or eight homes, but they've

2659
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,199
had I think three [snorts] home ded

2660
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:52,800
there's like three homeowners already in

2661
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:53,440
their homes.

2662
01:44:53,440 --> 01:44:54,070
>> Right. Right.

2663
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:54,080
» Right. Right.

2664
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,229
>> Yeah. And I know right after this one

2665
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:56,239
» Yeah. And I know right after this one

2666
01:44:56,239 --> 01:44:57,679
there should be like another one coming

2667
01:44:57,679 --> 01:44:59,199
soon because there were two right

2668
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:00,480
together that were close.

2669
01:45:00,480 --> 01:45:02,310
>> Yeah. We had two ground breakings about

2670
01:45:02,310 --> 01:45:02,320
» Yeah. We had two ground breakings about

2671
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:03,679
the same time. There there are two that

2672
01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:05,199
are pretty close to almost being done

2673
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:06,560
and they told me that they thought it

2674
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,400
would be sometime in July, maybe early

2675
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,239
August for both of them. So,

2676
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:11,430
>> but it's coming together.

2677
01:45:11,430 --> 01:45:11,440
» but it's coming together.

2678
01:45:11,440 --> 01:45:13,990
>> It is coming together.

2679
01:45:13,990 --> 01:45:14,000
» It is coming together.

2680
01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,310
>> Yeah, it's rewarding.

2681
01:45:16,310 --> 01:45:16,320
» Yeah, it's rewarding.

2682
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:19,440
All right. Is that it?

2683
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:22,080
Do we have a motion to adjourn?

2684
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:23,109
>> So, move.

2685
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:23,119
» So, move.

2686
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:24,629
>> Second.

2687
01:45:24,629 --> 01:45:24,639
» Second.

2688
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:27,910
>> All in favor of the motion?

2689
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:27,920
» All in favor of the motion?

2690
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,950
>> Any oppose? Motion carries. The next

2691
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:30,960
» Any oppose? Motion carries. The next

2692
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:33,280
meeting date of the town council is

2693
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:37,440
August 20th, 2026 at town hall at 6:00

2694
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:40,920
or shortly thereafter.