1 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:06,320 Good evening. It's 6 p.m. I'd like to call the meeting to order. I'd like to 2 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:10,240 welcome everyone to the Town of Leland Planning Board meeting. Please note that 3 00:01:08,479 --> 00:01:14,000 the public may videotape these proceedings at any time. At this time, 4 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:18,000 I'd like to remind everyone to please place their cell phones on vibrate or 5 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:22,159 turn them off so we do not disturb the business of tonight's meeting. 6 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,360 First item of business. Everybody would stand for the pledge of allegiance, 7 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,360 please. 8 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:35,520 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 9 00:01:32,799 --> 00:01:42,236 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 10 00:01:38,320 --> 00:01:42,236 justice for all. [snorts] 11 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,399 » Bless you. >> [clears throat] 12 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:52,000 » person. >> Um, item number three, the approval of 13 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:55,040 agenda. Does anyone have any amendments to the agenda, Mr. Whitney? 14 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,399 » No, not the agenda. >> Not the agenda. Okay. [laughter] 15 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,079 May I have a motion to approve the agenda as stated? 16 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,840 » I'll move. >> Do I have a second? 17 00:02:03,119 --> 00:02:07,680 » Second. >> Thank you. Any discussion? All in favor? 18 00:02:07,119 --> 00:02:12,319 » I. >> Any opposed? 19 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,840 Agenda's carried. Number four, approval of minutes. Does anyone have any 20 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:21,360 amendments to the minutes? >> I have uh one comment on the meeting 21 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:29,440 minutes of June 3rd. I was not attending the meeting. I was uh out of town. So um 22 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:33,920 I would move that the uh minutes be uh approved as amended. 23 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,400 » I have a motion. Do I have a second for that? 24 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:42,000 » Second. >> Any discussion? All in favor? 25 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:48,319 » I. Any opposed? Minutes are approved. [clears throat] 26 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:50,640 Item number five, public comment. At this time, do we have anyone who signed 27 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:55,840 up? >> There's no one signed up at this time. 28 00:02:52,480 --> 00:03:00,160 » Okay, then we can go from there. Um, >> please go ahead and continue. 29 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,879 » Um, yeah, anyone has signed up to speak during the public comment prior to the 30 00:03:01,519 --> 00:03:06,239 start of the meeting may come forward after all the speakers who have signed 31 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:10,000 up and finished. Anyone who did not sign up but wishes to provide public comment 32 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:15,280 will have an opportunity to speak. We've had no one sign up at this point in 33 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:22,640 time. Um is there anybody else who has wishes to speak at this time? 34 00:03:18,319 --> 00:03:26,319 All right. Seeing none, um um then at that point I think we can move on to the 35 00:03:24,159 --> 00:03:30,959 presentation item number six, quarterly update for the Leland 2045 comprehensive 36 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:33,959 plan. Miss Thirsten will now present the update. 37 00:03:34,159 --> 00:03:40,080 » Thank you chairman, members of the planning board. Uh, I appreciate the 38 00:03:37,519 --> 00:03:44,959 opportunity to update you on the Leland 2045 plan. As you know, we do these 39 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:49,200 updates quarterly to keep you a breast of the progress that we're making 40 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:53,040 towards implementation of this plan. Uh, these updates will help connect back the 41 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:58,959 work that staff is doing to the Leland 2045 plan and show you what themes we're 42 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:02,640 advancing through the organization. So, there are six main themes that make 43 00:04:00,799 --> 00:04:07,200 up the comprehensive plan. I'll go over those briefly because most of you have 44 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:11,519 seen these before. Um, we tie these back. We tie each action item back to 45 00:04:09,519 --> 00:04:16,160 one of these themes, but you'll note that many of the action items support 46 00:04:13,439 --> 00:04:20,079 more than one theme at the same time. Um, and so as we go through these 47 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:24,720 updates to look at what was done and how that fits into the town's broader goals, 48 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:29,360 we'll tie them back to the predominant theme and any any related themes that 49 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:33,360 are applicable. So, first we have first we have the 50 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:37,840 Westgate area mobility and safety improvements. Uh you'll recall from the 51 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:43,280 last quarterly update that we put in the um teardrop roundabout and finished some 52 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:48,800 pedestrian improvements in that area. Uh this update is referring to um some 53 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:54,240 sidewalk improvements on the north side of West Gate that improves three high 54 00:04:51,280 --> 00:05:00,479 visibility sidewalk or crosswalks, ADA compliant curb ramps, updated pavement 55 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:05,040 markings, and just general pedestrian improvements there. This connects back 56 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:10,479 to Leland 2045 by improving pedestrian safety, multimodal access, traffic flow, 57 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:17,680 and infrastructure reliability in one of the town's busiest commercial areas. 58 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:22,720 Um, the next item that we have is the extension of Founders Drive from 59 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:26,800 Settller's Village to Woodland Drive. This fills in a gap in the local street 60 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:31,520 network, improving connectivity between neighborhoods and providing additional 61 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:36,080 access from that neighborhood. Um, this ties back to the Leland 2045 62 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:39,440 emphasis on connected development, multimmodal access. You'll see the 63 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:45,000 sidewalks that were installed as part of this improvement. And generally 64 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,000 resilient infrastructure. 65 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:51,039 Not as much fun as um well, Founders Park was way more fun than Founders 66 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:56,160 Drive extension if you haven't been out there. Um Founders Park serves as a 67 00:05:53,840 --> 00:06:00,160 central place for recreation, events, and community gathering. The 68 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:04,800 amphitheater has so so far supported several concerts and public programs and 69 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:08,720 the splash pad has already proven to be an extremely popular family-friendly 70 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:13,759 amenity. Leland 2045 is about quality of life, 71 00:06:11,280 --> 00:06:20,520 investing in public spaces uh that support recreation, health, and 72 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,520 com and community life. 73 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:27,199 Back in June, town council authorized the design build of a boardwalk and dock 74 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:31,600 by Inter Coastal Marine. Surgeon Creek Park is planned as Leland's second 75 00:06:29,039 --> 00:06:36,720 public water access with Cypress Cove Park being the first. And this supports 76 00:06:33,919 --> 00:06:41,680 the Leland 2045 goal of providing water access to natural resources, promoting 77 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:46,600 outdoor recreation, and continuing long-term investment in parks and open 78 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,600 space. 79 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:54,479 I hope you were here along with about 3,000 other people for the Leland and 80 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:58,400 Bloom Festival on May 16th. There were several food trucks, art vendors, 81 00:06:56,319 --> 00:07:03,360 farmers, environmental stewardship organizations, and live music. This 82 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:07,120 event supports local economy by giving visibility to local businesses and 83 00:07:05,280 --> 00:07:12,080 organizations. And it shows how long-term planning goals translate into 84 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:15,680 real community experiences. So this is what I was talking about how 85 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:20,880 each of the action items for this quarterly update has a primary theme 86 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:24,800 with the big circle and then you'll see the supporting circles on the bottom 87 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:29,520 showing other themes that it relates to maybe not quite as directly. So you'll 88 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:34,160 see the infrastructure projects also support safety and connectivity. Park 89 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:38,720 and water access supports livability and infrastructure that supports community 90 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:42,960 life. Leland and Bloom supports local activity, placemaking, and community 91 00:07:41,039 --> 00:07:47,120 identity. And this just demonstrates how Leland 2045 is an integrated framework 92 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:52,000 for connecting town projects, partnerships, and public investments to 93 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:56,800 long-term goals. These updates are intended to uh show progress over time 94 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:01,039 and reinforce the comprehensive plan as an active implementation document. I'm 95 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:07,039 happy to answer any questions you may have about any of these items or the 96 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:11,759 Leland 2045 plan in general. Does anyone have any questions? 97 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:16,319 » I have a comments, a couple comments to make. Um, 98 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:20,800 I journeyied over to the concert two weeks ago [laughter] 99 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:27,199 and it was a wonderful experience for um, a lot of folk that were there. Um, I 100 00:08:23,599 --> 00:08:34,320 think I did miss the um, um, the open the grand opening, but I heard that was 101 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:38,240 also a big hit. And uh I think that um you might be able to get one of those 102 00:08:35,839 --> 00:08:42,719 yellow green dots up there under the Founders Park, but I because I think 103 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:49,760 it's going to be coming a a headliner place for for other 104 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:55,519 communities to uh come to Leland and to participate in those um concerts that 105 00:08:52,800 --> 00:09:02,240 are that were were there. Um, I believe there's one tomorrow night. And, um, the 106 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:07,839 only thing that I've heard is that the parking is somewhat of a of an issue. 107 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:14,720 It's too popular. You know, it's like Yogi would say, nobody goes there uh 108 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:19,839 anymore because it's so popular. Um, but I think that um I'm sure the town is 109 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:23,839 looking at certain options to deal with the with the parking concerns. I 110 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:28,800 understand there there is some kind of a shuttle. I think that there's uh coming 111 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:32,959 from the high school. Yes, sir. >> Here. And 112 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:37,600 » um I think there needs to be um maybe some better communication in the you 113 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:41,920 know in the town information to let people know that there are other options 114 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:48,640 available for the for parking and to make it a um um a communitywide event. 115 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:54,240 So, uh, I applaud the the town for its, uh, it work on the, uh, Founders Park 116 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:58,800 and, um, I think it's a great amenity for, uh, for the entire community. 117 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:03,120 » Thank you. And certainly, I agree that it's going to it's already a regional 118 00:10:00,959 --> 00:10:07,680 draw and it will hopefully continue that way. Um, your point about the parking, 119 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:11,519 thank you for that, too. Uh, there is parking available at the high school and 120 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:17,440 a shuttle to run people um, back and forth. And um our communications team 121 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:22,240 does a really good job um explaining that on Instagram and other social media 122 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:28,000 outlets like Facebook. So I guess they say like and subscribe or whatever to 123 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:31,040 stay up to date on what's going on and how best to get there. 124 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:35,279 » Thank you. I'll be there tomorrow night early. [laughter] 125 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:39,279 » Excellent. Are there any other questions or comments? Not seeing any. I will have 126 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:43,360 to say I think this is an excellent update and there's a lot of progress and 127 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:47,720 it's a really good to see. Thank you very much. 128 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,720 » Thank you. 129 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:53,959 » I think we have another we have an introduction. 130 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,560 » Good afternoon everybody. Uh just wanted to introduce our next speaker Drew DLA 131 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:03,519 since this will be his first time presenting before you all. He's been 132 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:08,720 with the town for a couple months now but uh he's originally from North Salem, 133 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:13,600 New York. Uh he got his undergraduate in sports management from Sunny Courtland 134 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:19,120 and later he earned his jurist doctor his JD from Elizabeth Hob School of Law. 135 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,920 Uh he moved down to North Carolina and initially started working with the town 136 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:26,160 of Oak Island doing some code enforcement and uh slowly before leaving 137 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:31,120 there kind of transitioned over to more planning activities before he joined us 138 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:36,959 as a planner. on uh currently he does anything from uh commercial development 139 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:40,480 review, subdivision reviews, permitting um and helping out with a lot of other 140 00:11:38,399 --> 00:11:45,279 processes like annexations and things like that. Um we're very happy to have 141 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:49,279 Drew. He's been a great team member from the start and we're really excited to to 142 00:11:47,279 --> 00:11:54,519 have him grow with us with the town. So without further ado, all you 143 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:04,240 Thank you for the introduction. Good evening. My name is Drew Damela and I'm 144 00:12:02,399 --> 00:12:07,680 here to present the zoning map amendment for Brunswick County tax partial ID 145 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:11,839 shown on the screen. >> Excuse me one second. Um Drew, does 146 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,240 anyone have any conflicts of interest or disclosure statements to make on this 147 00:12:13,279 --> 00:12:16,959 item? >> No. 148 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:21,120 » Okay. Seeing none, then we're ready to proceed. Um and this is a reasonzoning 149 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:26,800 request to amend the US Highway 17 overlay district. Go right ahead. 150 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:30,639 This slide addresses some of the points for consideration in their alignment 151 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:34,079 with the North Carolina General Statute. In summary, the planning board will be 152 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:38,160 evaluating whether the proposed zoning map amendment aligns with and advances 153 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:41,279 the goals and vision in the adopted plan as well as whether the proposed zoning 154 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:45,200 map amendment is appropriate for the area. 155 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,240 This table shows the public notification schedule. Although there is no statutory 156 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:52,079 requirement for planning board notification, town goes above and beyond 157 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,959 by providing notice through several different channels. 158 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,000 to provide you with some background of the resoning application. It was 159 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:03,600 submitted by Branch Columbia Leland Associates. The subject parcel is 160 00:13:02,079 --> 00:13:09,040 currently classified as a shopping center located on 16.79 acres. The 161 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:14,399 following slides will include maps to help orient yourselves on where the 162 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:18,079 property is located. This vicinity map shows where the site 163 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:21,680 is in relation to the area. For reference, it is across the street from 164 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:25,639 the villages at Bronzik Forest as well as the Bronzac Forest neighborhood. 165 00:13:26,079 --> 00:13:31,600 This aerial map shows the developed land of the subject site, Leland Village, 166 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:35,160 formerly known as Savannah Branch, and the surrounding areas. 167 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:42,240 This map shows the existing zoning district. Site is currently within a 168 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,839 commercially zoned district and that underlying designation will remain 169 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:49,839 unchanged with the adoption of the overlay. 170 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:53,600 The C2 zoning across the corridor, also a commercial district, further reflects 171 00:13:52,079 --> 00:13:56,600 the area's existing commercial character. 172 00:13:57,279 --> 00:14:03,680 This next map shows the US Highway 17 overlay district as a whole. For those 173 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:07,279 unfamiliar, an overlay district is an additional layer of zoning that 174 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:12,560 establishes supplemental regulations within a specific area. In this case, 175 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:17,399 the overlay provides corridor oriented standards for businesses along Highway 176 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:17,399 17. 177 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:25,319 This map shows a more magnified view of the US Highway 17 district in relation 178 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,319 to the site. [snorts] 179 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:30,880 And this final map illustrates how the US Highway 17 overlay district would 180 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:35,000 appear with the subject site incorporated into the district. 181 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:41,040 I included this comparison table to highlight allowable signage under the 182 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,600 site's current zoning and the proposed US Highway 17 overlay district. The 183 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:49,519 primary differences highlighted in bold is that the overlay district does not 184 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:53,680 limit the number of of the total number of wall signs provided that they meet 185 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:58,880 the applicable dimensional requirements which I will discuss next. 186 00:14:57,199 --> 00:15:03,519 This table compares the maximum allowable sign area under the site's 187 00:15:01,279 --> 00:15:07,680 current C1. Sorry. This table shows it compares 188 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:12,480 compares the maximum allowable sign area under this site's current C1 zoning 189 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:16,480 versus the US Highway 17 overlay district. The key differences are 190 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:20,560 highlighted in in bold. There are two notable 191 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:24,000 differences. First, the overlay district allows significantly more sign area for 192 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:27,839 ground signs within combined development. 193 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:33,040 Second, wall signage is calculated differently. Under C1, wall signage is 194 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:36,480 limited to 55 square ft. Whereas under the overlay district, the allowable sign 195 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:40,959 area is tied to the size of the building. As a as a result, a larger 196 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:45,199 sign can accommodate more total wall signage. 197 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:49,680 I'll provide a brief example on how signage is calculated within the US 198 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Highway 17 overlay district using this example shown on the screen. First, 199 00:15:51,680 --> 00:16:00,000 you'll need to calculate the linear feet of the building perimeter. In this 200 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:05,279 instance, it is 400 linear feet. Next, it will be 75% of that, which equates to 201 00:16:03,199 --> 00:16:10,800 300 square ft. That is the total allowable signage on the building. Now, 202 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:15,360 you are capped off at 10% of the wall of a singular wall. So, with this 203 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:20,160 calculation, that is roughly 200 square ft. So, you are permitted to have 200 204 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:23,680 square feet on one wall. Whereas, if this same building was in the C1 zoning 205 00:16:22,079 --> 00:16:27,360 district, you'd only be permitted to have 55 square ft. 206 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:32,639 This last table compares the maximum sign heights allowed in each zoning 207 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:37,279 district. The key differences highlighted in bold apply to ground 208 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:41,279 signs. Individual business signs can be 2 feet taller in the overlay district, 209 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:46,959 while the combined development signs can reach 28 ft compared to just 8t in the 210 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:50,880 C1 zoning district. Transitioning into our consistency with 211 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:55,680 the town adopted plans, the proposed resoning aligns with the Leland 2045's 212 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:59,600 vision for a livable, diverse, and connected neighborhood that accommodates 213 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,360 growth as the overlay district would provide a greater flexibility for 214 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:08,000 development and signage along the major commercial corridor. 215 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:12,720 The applicant had a presentation prepared but is unable to present this 216 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:15,839 evening due to an illness. Okay, if I could interrupt you for a second, I 217 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:19,439 failed to mention exactly how this procedure goes. This is a public 218 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:23,600 hearing, so we've heard now from staff and you mentioned that the applicant uh 219 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,480 is not here at the moment. No sir. >> Um so we then would hear comments from 220 00:17:25,199 --> 00:17:30,080 any members of the public that have signed up to speak. First from anyone in 221 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:34,080 support of the proposal, then from anyone in opposition to the proposal and 222 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:38,480 public comments limited to three minutes per person. After all public comments, 223 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:43,520 staff will complete the presentation and the board will deliberate. Um so 224 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:47,280 therefore if there is no um applicant presentation at this time anyone who has 225 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:50,799 signed up prior to the start of this meeting to speak directly about the 226 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:54,000 action today may come up and speak and after all registered speakers have 227 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:58,000 finished. Anyone did not sign up but wishes to provide comment will have an 228 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,760 opportunity to speak. Do we have anyone signed up? 229 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:02,640 » No sir >> we don't. Is there anyone out in the 230 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:08,720 audience that even though they didn't sign up wishes to say something? 231 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:14,000 All right. Seeing none. Um, that's in support or in opposition. 232 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:17,280 Okay, then I guess we're probably ready for deliberation. 233 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:21,440 » Yes. So, questions. >> So, staff recommends approval and 234 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,640 suggests a motion to recommend council approve the zoning map amendment 235 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,160 presented. >> So, in front of you are four potential 236 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:34,960 determinations regarding the resoning request. Thank you for your time. 237 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:39,520 So before we go into questions, uh, everyone here has received a document 238 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:44,000 which shows you all the options we have available to us. Uh, in case you have 239 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:47,440 any questions, please refer to that. And so at this point in time be our 240 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,320 deliberation. Does anyone have any comments or questions they'd like to 241 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:58,480 make? >> I have a question about the height. 242 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:07,120 So, if I'm understanding this correctly, that a ground sign 243 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:12,160 can be as high as 28 ft. >> Yeah. In combined development. And that 244 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:16,400 is to emphasize the ability to see the sign as they are driving on a commercial 245 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:22,240 uh road. >> I was just trying to visualize 28 feet 246 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:26,480 versus 8 feet. Um, which is interesting. And I guess I'm 247 00:19:23,679 --> 00:19:31,679 asking this for a purely selfish reason because the entrance to this new 248 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:36,640 development is directly across the street from where I live. And um, it's 249 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:42,400 really interesting to be able to drive out and have one visual and then when 250 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:47,520 the signs go up, you drive out and you have another visual. So, we don't we 251 00:19:45,039 --> 00:19:51,919 will not have any control over how high the sign will be. We do not have a any 252 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,880 control other than the fact that there is a cap of 28 feet in that zoning 253 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:58,480 district. >> Okay. 254 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:04,640 » Okay. Um >> but it's still limited in total area. So 255 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:09,039 that if it may be 8 28 ft high, it can't go all the way to the ground, right? 256 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:15,520 It's there's a a formula that says that it has to be what? 200 square feet or or 257 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,280 some maybe I'm wrong on the number, but >> two um 258 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:22,720 » 210. >> Yeah. So you are capped at 210 square 259 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:27,919 feet of the sign itself. That is just the height that can go up to 28 ft 260 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,440 » if it's that proportion. >> Yes, sir. 261 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:34,480 » Right. >> Whatever is proportionally able to fit 262 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:38,400 in that 210 square footage. >> Okay. 263 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:42,840 » Does it say, did I miss it? Um how many ground signs they may have? 264 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:50,480 » One per frontage. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that and and that is the 265 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:56,840 same delineation from C1 to US Highway 17 overlay district. So that is not 266 00:20:52,159 --> 00:20:56,840 changing regarding this determination. 267 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:09,520 » That's one sign per each if they're broken up into multiple 268 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:12,480 uh shops for example each one can have one sign. 269 00:21:10,799 --> 00:21:14,240 » That is for individual businesses. Yes sir. 270 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:18,799 » Right. Right. But something like the let's say in the 271 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:21,840 case of Publix which is a much bigger business 272 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,360 » they still are limited by the same formulas. 273 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,840 » Yes sir. >> As the other one but only one per 274 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:31,080 business. >> Yes sir. 275 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:40,320 » Would that then a sign on public be considered a wall sign? 276 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:44,000 » Do you mind repeating that? I apologize. >> Would that would that what Mr. Whitney 277 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,840 was just talking about, would that be considered a wall sign? Like where it 278 00:21:45,679 --> 00:21:52,080 says Lowe's or Publix on there. Would that be considered a wall sign? 279 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:55,200 » Wall signs are only if they are affixed to the building itself. 280 00:21:53,200 --> 00:22:00,000 » Correct. So, as I understand it though, there's no maximum if that's correct on 281 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:04,159 this one. Wall sign says uh they uh under C1 is one per building frontage. 282 00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:08,480 Now, it's no maximum. Is that correct? >> So, that is correct. However, based off 283 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:13,039 of this calculation, that is the determination for the amount that can be 284 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:16,799 placed. So there's no cumulative number that could be placed. However, there's a 285 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:22,240 square foot maximum that could be placed. 286 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:26,240 » Um could you go back to um showing us uh the the area that is being included in 287 00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:30,799 this? >> Okay. The site. So there really would be 288 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:34,559 what would be considered frontage? Just 17. 289 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,559 » Yes, sir. >> Okay. 290 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:45,280 How about the the road coming up on the u 291 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,520 was it Kingsway or Kingsbridge or whatever it's called 292 00:22:47,919 --> 00:22:52,880 you know on the left side or the right side 293 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,480 » Leland Village Road. >> Yeah. Well, the extension of uh 294 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:02,799 Brunswick Forest I think it's King something or other Kings Bridge or 295 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:06,720 » it's more. So, as that road comes up past the the 296 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:09,440 site, is that that's considered frontage? 297 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:14,559 » On the picture we're looking at now, I think he's Mr. Whitney is requesting is 298 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:19,280 it not just the the 17, but would it also include the blue line on the right 299 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:22,559 hand side, which um which would be the access into this area. Is that a 300 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,919 frontage? >> So, it could be considered frontage. It 301 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:29,360 all depends how the how the layout of the building and everything else is on 302 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:32,559 there. Now, mind you, that Kingsbridge, it's no longer that name, but it's 303 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,400 formerly known as Kings Bridge. I can't remember the name off the top of my 304 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:39,360 head. >> Um, that is not included as part of this 305 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:43,360 UI highway overlay district request. >> So, that would not be able to 306 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:47,679 essentially do a 8 foot or 28 foot sign in regards to that. 307 00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:52,960 » So, going back to a question regarding like individual business can have a 308 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:57,520 ground sign versus a 28 ground um 28 foot combined development sign. If you 309 00:23:55,679 --> 00:24:03,600 on a combined development sign, then you are not able to have a individual sign 310 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:08,000 itself. So you either have one or the other. Good. And then each parcel can 311 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:13,360 only have one ground sign in regards to that. So let's say Publix chose to have 312 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:18,559 its own ground sign at on that parcel. >> No other uh business would be able to 313 00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:22,320 have that. So typically they work together in terms of saying, "Hey, let's 314 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:27,360 all have a combined development sign to have that." So it won't have a plethora 315 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:34,320 of individuals ground signs plus a large 28 foot high sign. 316 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:40,240 » Does the town get to have ability to suggest or demand where a a 28ft ground 317 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:44,880 sign would be located? >> That is completely up to the discretion 318 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:47,679 of the applicant. >> That's a very 319 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:52,817 » as long as it is out of the designated site triangle. 320 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:52,817 Other [snorts] 321 00:24:52,960 --> 00:25:01,840 questions? So just understanding that this is a zoning 322 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:08,000 request and we're not supposed to talk specifics but to use an example 323 00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:14,400 this would be similar to I think if you go back to 324 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:19,679 so when we're talking about the area Lowe's home improvement that 325 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:25,039 something that's come in front of us recently 326 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:32,000 » we would be talking similar to where Chick-fil-A has a sign on their building 327 00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:36,240 but doesn't have signage in the same sign where Lowe's Home Improvement does. 328 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:40,799 That meets that example, right? If they have a sign on the building, it's not 329 00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:43,799 necessarily going to be on the larger sign. 330 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:53,600 » Yeah. So in that specific example, um, 331 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,640 everyone is going to allow be allowed to have wall signs, any business. All 332 00:25:55,679 --> 00:26:02,960 right, that's taken by its tenant space. All right, so Chick-fil-A does have a 333 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:06,400 wall sign. Now, mind you, Chick-fil-A does also have a ground sign, but 334 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:07,600 they're also not part of the Leland Town Center, 335 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,120 » okay, >> development, but to use that example, 336 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:15,440 the Leland Town Center, that will give you an example of a size sign that would 337 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:20,559 be permitted across at this location here. And then if you've noticed all the 338 00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:24,480 other tenants have their own small combined development signs on those 339 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:28,559 inville, we'll say strip mall parcels, right? So like the Starbucks and the 340 00:26:26,159 --> 00:26:32,960 firehouse subs, they have their own smaller one that's allowed on that 341 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:37,440 parcel, but they are not allowed to be back onto that larger combined 342 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,960 development sign. So that space is probably reserved more so for those 343 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:46,480 properties that are more behind that don't necessarily have the road frontes 344 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:51,039 on US Highway 17. So again, each individual business will be permitted to 345 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:55,279 have a wall sign based upon the the the calculations that are on the screen that 346 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:58,640 Drew had presented to you, but there may be some limitations on what ground signs 347 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:02,000 they would be allowed whether to all to have one individually or to be on that 348 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:09,360 combined development side. >> Okay. So I I think I agree with you, 349 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:14,400 Barbara. It's kind of hard visualizing a signage, but I think that's not 350 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:20,559 necessarily what they will build, but is it an example of 351 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:24,960 something that could be built? >> That's correct. Yeah, the parameters the 352 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:29,600 210 square ft for that entire sign and the maximum height is 28. It could be 353 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:33,520 lower, it could be smaller than square footage. It's all depends on what the 354 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,520 developer wants in terms of that. >> Okay, 355 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,919 » other questions or comments? 356 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:48,640 Um my only other comment would be that having been in the retail business for 357 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:53,679 quite a while um I find this frankly to be rather typical um that you'll find in 358 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:59,120 many new developments. That's my own personal opinion. Um so then at this 359 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:04,080 point and uh would anyone like to make a motion? 360 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:09,600 I'll make a motion to recommend council approve the proposed resoning to include 361 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:14,720 the subject parcel within US Highway 17 overly district as presented by staff. 362 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,399 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 363 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:23,200 » Any discussion? All those in favor? 364 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:25,679 » I. Any opposed? Seeing none, it's carried. Thank you very much. Thank you, 365 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,480 Mr. Dilla. >> Thank you. I appreciate your time. 366 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:34,760 » Item eight, discussion topics. Mr. Andrea will now begin the discussion. 367 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:43,039 » Thanks. Good evening, planning board members. Nice to see you. Uh back in 368 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:47,520 June in your agenda packet, you received the draft of article 4 for the unified 369 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:52,000 development ordinance that we're working on. This [clears throat] is the article 370 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:57,200 that includes the zoning map and the zoning districts that the town would 371 00:28:53,679 --> 00:29:02,480 have on adoption of the UDO. um July we did not have a meeting so 372 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:06,720 we're this is on the topic for discussion tonight just want to go over 373 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:13,120 at a high level what this article includes some of the rationale behind it 374 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:16,720 generally speaking as I mentioned this sets out all of the zoning districts 375 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:21,760 that would be included in the UDO so some of those we currently have some of 376 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:26,640 them would be new zoning districts this article also would create what we call 377 00:29:23,919 --> 00:29:31,039 legacy districts we have a uh zoning districts that essentially we 378 00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:34,480 would want to retire as far as them being an option to be applied to 379 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:39,840 properties moving forward after the adoption of the UDO specifically that 380 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:45,760 those include the multif family district C1 2 and three which are are our three 381 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:49,600 commercial districts and the residential excuse yeah yeah residential 382 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:54,559 manufactured home district so essentially any property that's zoned 383 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:58,559 with any of these districts could stay zoned that zoning district, they could 384 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:03,840 still do what is allowed under the current regulations. Uh but no 385 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:08,480 new application of those zoning districts would apply moving forward. 386 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:13,600 Part of the reason for that is that we're in an interesting time trying to 387 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:17,520 write this ordinance and update our development regulations with some of the 388 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:22,880 constraints at the uh state statute level. And so it's easier just to say 389 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:27,679 you can have what you have now, but moving forward here are your new 390 00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:32,720 options. Um, this is a way to not create nonconformities, but also to allow for 391 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:37,279 us to have updated development standards applicable to new zoning districts 392 00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:43,440 moving forward. any zoning district moving forward would be at the option of 393 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:48,080 um sort of at the behest of the property owner through a reszoning request or 394 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:54,279 through the application of an initial zoning at the time a property is annexed 395 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:54,279 into the town. 396 00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:01,200 Similarly, the residential manufactured home district. We would like to offer 397 00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:07,360 that manufactured homes be allowed in some of the lower density um residential 398 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:12,960 districts and not have a zoning district specific to uh residential manufactured 399 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:19,216 homes. We currently have three uh zoning zoning 400 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:23,360 districts that are strictly for excuse [clears throat] me for residential 401 00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:27,679 purposes. R six, R15, and R20. We'd like to fill in the gaps with four new 402 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:32,240 residential districts. Uh between the three existing and the four new ones, we 403 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:36,799 would have a pretty comprehensive suite of residential zoning districts 404 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:42,799 that could be chosen from. This would offer a 405 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:49,120 breadth of uh variation as far as the densities that would be allowed. Also 406 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:55,600 with the UDO all density all density would always be 407 00:31:52,880 --> 00:32:01,679 um sort of administered through performance standards. So currently 408 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:05,919 right now the only performancebased way we control density is in the R six 409 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:11,760 zoning district. What that means is that in R six there's an option to say you 410 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:17,840 can have up to seven units an acre. seven units an acre and the dimensional 411 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:24,080 standards are relaxed or don't exist versus in an R15 or R20 the mandate is 412 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:29,679 that you have a 15,000 square foot or 20,000 square foot lot size minimum. So 413 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:34,559 moving away from that sort of old way to manage density and moving towards the 414 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,880 option for performance-based density in all zoning districts. What that offers 415 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:44,320 is more flexibility in site design which can provide benefits in putting areas 416 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:48,799 that are uh either in the flood zone or maybe have some environmental 417 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:55,760 constraints. not forcing development or not forcing prop private property to 418 00:32:50,880 --> 00:33:00,080 include those areas and instead offering a neighborhood to be sort of designed 419 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:07,240 around those areas and that those areas become common space andor preserved open 420 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,240 spaces 421 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:15,600 with all of these zoning districts the residential and the commercial 422 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:20,480 districts. Um, we are writing into the ordinance some guidance for what 423 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:27,279 classifications from the Leland 2045 plan would be more most appropriate for 424 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:31,679 these districts. Uh the idea there is that when the 2045 plan was written, it 425 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:37,919 was written in a way to identify areas of the town with both uh on one end of 426 00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:41,440 the potential development spect spectrum of hey, it should probably just be left 427 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:47,440 alone due to its environmental constraints all the way up to areas that 428 00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:50,799 are identified as the most um the areas with the highest development 429 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:57,120 potential. And so those are the areas that we want to see used to their 430 00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:01,600 highest and best use. What that can help us do is combat the 431 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:05,840 effects of sprawl. It can help us maximize a return on public investment 432 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:11,919 on things like streets, public utilities, and infrastructure. So if we 433 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:15,280 can target density and higher intensity development into areas that we've 434 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:19,359 identified in the land use plan as appropriate for those areas, it 435 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:24,000 alleviates pressure on development for areas that were identified as uh maybe 436 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,200 have some constraints or maybe should be left alone from a development 437 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,560 perspective. I talked about retiring the three 438 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,440 commercial districts. What we would do in their place is to essentially 439 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:41,200 establish three new uh commercial districts. 440 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:45,679 um tailored based on the uh sort of the si both the size and the 441 00:34:43,359 --> 00:34:50,800 intensity of the non-residential development. So the idea there is to 442 00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:55,919 locate smaller scale more neighborhood scale uses closer to residential areas 443 00:34:53,599 --> 00:35:01,839 versus things like a shopping center probably should be u 444 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:07,359 more carefully thought out about where they're located. So again, three three 445 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,720 uh non-residential districts to replace the ones that would be retired. 446 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:19,119 Also wanted to mention this article would include the flex code districts. 447 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:23,280 Um we went through a pretty long and um involved effort into evaluating our flex 448 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:27,359 code over the past couple years. don't anticipate any major changes to that, 449 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:31,440 but because they are zoning districts, we want to include them into this 450 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:34,800 chapter versus in a standalone chapter as they are now in the code of 451 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:40,960 ordinances. We also would include the conservation 452 00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:46,240 district. Um and then finally the US Highway Overlay District which was the 453 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:51,359 subject of the uh of the case before this discussion item. We would propose 454 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:55,599 to essentially get rid of that and write the allowances for the signed codes that 455 00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:59,920 would come about as part of being included in in that overlay district to 456 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:04,720 just be allowed instead of having individual properties have to come and 457 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:09,839 request this resoning to be included into this special overlay district to be 458 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:14,880 able to get those special sign regulations. 459 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,720 with that. Uh, what kind of comments do you have or questions that I may be able 460 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:25,280 to answer? >> I I I would just like to know or have an 461 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:30,880 example of a neighborhood business service versus a community business and 462 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:35,839 service because to me it's kind of close there. So, do do you have any examples 463 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:40,160 current examples in Leland? >> Uh, in Leland maybe not so much, but 464 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:47,040 more hypothetical examples if that's okay. I would consider a neighborhood 465 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:53,920 um business to be more like your your corner coffee shop in whereas instead a 466 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,520 community uh business may be it may still may be a coffee shop but it might 467 00:36:55,599 --> 00:37:03,359 it is probably larger in scale and it may have some incillary service. Maybe 468 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:07,920 they roast their own beans or offer uh they have maybe they have a restaurant 469 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,839 associated with it. So things that are more neighborhood oriented, I think you 470 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,839 can think about that they're things that you might 471 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:18,839 involve or include in your day-to-day activities. 472 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:27,760 » How would live work situations fit into this? 473 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:31,680 We [clears throat] the actual uses that are allowed in each of these zoning 474 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:37,040 districts are going to be part of the upcoming chapter that we're still 475 00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:41,520 working on, article 5. Um, when we talk about live work, there's 476 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:47,680 kind of two things that can be talked about there. One being either a home 477 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:53,040 occupation or one being a place where someone could live in their business, so 478 00:37:50,079 --> 00:38:00,320 to speak. The home occupation um is actually been made pretty easy for 479 00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:05,680 us because in the most um there was some statutes passed recently that uh gave 480 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:09,599 some uh some mandatory guidance on how local jurisdictions should approach home 481 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:14,960 occupations. So we'll essentially mimic that as far as the ability to live in a 482 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,880 residential unit. That's something that we still would would need to to work 483 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,599 through. [clears throat] Glad to take any feedback if there's any 484 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:25,920 thoughts that you may have as we're thinking about that. 485 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:30,400 » So, next question is, do you have an example of a legacy district in Leland? 486 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:36,400 » No, there's not any legacy districts currently in Leland. This is something 487 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:41,599 that's um a little bit unique. It has been done in at least one other place. 488 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:47,119 Um, but again, the idea is that 489 00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:54,480 I'll say it in a different way that I said it earlier. We are in a position 490 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:59,760 where we run the risk of running a foul of the downzoning law if we try to make 491 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:06,400 changes to these existing districts that would create nonconformities. 492 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:11,119 » And so this is the the way around that that issue. So there there aren't any 493 00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:15,599 legacy districts in the town currently. >> Is that one last thing? It has to do 494 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:21,520 with the flex code districts. >> Um I guess my question is why are there 495 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:29,480 so many? Because you have rural, suburban, general urban, general urban, 496 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,480 open, urban center, urban core. 497 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:37,040 I mean are they truly that specific in nature? 498 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:41,200 » They are. They they all serve a unique purpose. Uh in the flex code, those 499 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:47,760 districts are associated with the rural to urban uh trans spectrum. Um I could 500 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:51,760 invite Mr. Watts up here and he could probably talk for an hour if you all 501 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:57,599 wanted to hear about that. But they all have some very uh unique and different 502 00:39:55,520 --> 00:40:05,680 allowances and restrictions >> which ultimately collectively get to 503 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:08,880 this idea of the rural to urban uh transex spectrum 504 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,320 » and they could be in close proximity to each other. 505 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:17,839 » They generally are. So with those individual transexs 506 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:23,240 uh I'll use the the gateway district the area around here as an example. um 507 00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:31,280 most of those not not all those in this case in the gateway district but there 508 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:36,800 there's the applicability of those transexs kind of moving out from an 509 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:44,079 urban core in the gateway district. So there is 510 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:48,640 within any new uh flex code area there has to be a certain allocation 511 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:54,400 um that's thought about as far as how many what acreage and in what proximity 512 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:59,599 these different transcts work together. >> Okay. 513 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:06,880 I I think my take on that was >> flex code is specific and that's a 514 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:11,440 recent update that we've undertaken and from my reading of this I think we're 515 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:15,760 moving more towards that specificity instead of broader zoning. 516 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:22,960 » That that's a great way to to look at it. So with the spectrum of residential 517 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:28,000 zoning districts that we're proposing um it gives us that predictability as 518 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,800 something is coming in to know what the range of density is going to need to be 519 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:37,720 developed on a particular property. So it's in some ways similar to the 520 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,720 transexs. 521 00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:44,720 » Other questions? A followup on the live work. Um you say 522 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:51,359 that you're working on something with that just a thought is that you've got 523 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:56,480 here minimums and maximums as units in residential 524 00:41:53,119 --> 00:42:01,680 » and when someone begins the live work past experience I've seen it has a 525 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:06,000 tendency if it works if that that is a successful kind of idea they can grow 526 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:10,560 off each other and I just question how is that going to fit within your minimum 527 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:13,599 maximums if if if you see I'm not suggesting you have an answer to that 528 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:19,760 now, but something you to think about because it's like success breeds success 529 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:22,640 » and so you may have one which has a minimum number of units and suddenly you 530 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:25,599 have more people who want to do things and I'm just just something you have to 531 00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:27,280 think about if it's going to grow into something. I don't know if it will or 532 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:32,560 won't. >> Sure. But but 533 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:36,960 » sure I I if I'm thinking of live work units as the same way in the same way 534 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:43,119 that you are I would imagine those being more in the non-residential districts 535 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:46,720 where these max fine because I was thinking since it's got the live 536 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:50,160 component might be split into the residential right 537 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:57,119 » makes sense. One one other thing. Could you speak to 538 00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,000 » uh the conditional zoning >> and and having that as part of each of 539 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,920 these as well? >> Yes, thanks for pointing that out. Uh we 540 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,960 do have a conditional pro zoning process. Now, a conditional zoning 541 00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:14,079 process uh is somewhat rare. I think this board has seen a few. That's a 542 00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:18,319 process where an applicant proposes to change the zoning district, but is 543 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,839 proposing to change it in a way that is conditioned based on a site plan and 544 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:28,560 then sometimes some additional conditions that may accompany uh their 545 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:34,160 proposal. So, every zoning district that we offer, we also want to offer the 546 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:38,560 conditional counter part to that. And so the benefit there is that it provides 547 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:45,599 even more specificity than we're kind of building into this UDO in in so far as 548 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:50,800 to provide a site plan or a a sketch of the subdivision or whatever the proposal 549 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:57,480 may be. So that this article also includes that um and sort of authorizes 550 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:57,480 that as an option. 551 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:06,640 » Any other comments or questions? Thank you. 552 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:10,800 » Okay, thanks very much. Um, we're getting into the next couple of uh 553 00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:15,200 chapters which are pretty complicated, so bear with us as we continue to work 554 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:18,720 on those. When we feel that they're ready to come to you, we'll bring them 555 00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,640 to you. >> Thank you. 556 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:24,160 » Thank you. >> U, that was item eight. Item nine, old 557 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,210 new business. Does anyone have any old or new business they wish to bring up 558 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,210 and discuss? [clears throat] 559 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,400 Seeing none. Um, >> can I speak to some new business real 560 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,359 quick? >> Oh, of course. 561 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:39,200 » Yeah. Um, [clears throat] so we had a meeting uh planning staff and the 562 00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:42,480 clerk's office today and talk about some uh potential educational and training 563 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:46,800 opportunities that for the planning board. Um, before we offer any 564 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:50,400 suggestions uh for for something you guys may want to do, we want to hear 565 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:55,119 from you. So, um, hopefully you can take some opportunity uh this week. Adam's 566 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:58,880 going to send an email out here uh within the next week or so to ask what 567 00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:02,480 type of things you want to learn about whether it's our processes or anything 568 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:07,760 zoning related or anything that might benefit you as a planning board member. 569 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:10,960 So, um please consider that uh and we'll follow back up with you regarding that 570 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:17,119 based upon your answers. >> Great. Thank you. Any other new or old 571 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:22,240 business? Seeing none, then planning staff to present the monthly reports. 572 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:25,760 So, um, give you a little update what's going on here. So, on July and August 573 00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,000 town council meetings, uh, there wasn't any applications that you had any 574 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:34,319 actions on or recommendations on. Uh, just want to make pass that forward. Um, 575 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:38,880 however, just for some, uh, sneak preview, there was some movement um, 576 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:45,200 with some annexations. If you did not recall, the general statute um, sorry, 577 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:50,480 the the state has provided us some um, annexation powers again. So we have 578 00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:54,960 started the initial process to bring in some of those properties into the town 579 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:58,960 that started last town council meeting. How your role fits into the annexation 580 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,520 process. You will be able to provide us um a recommendation for the initial 581 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,880 zoning u before it goes to town council. So not necessarily the annexation 582 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:11,760 itself, but what be the best appropriate um zoning district um after an 583 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:15,359 application from that um from the parcel owner as well as planning staff's 584 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,400 recommendations. So something to be aware of the next couple meetings. next 585 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,640 few months, uh, they'll be coming towards you. Um, going into some 586 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:27,359 numbers, we'll go into June and July since we didn't have meeting last month. 587 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:31,440 Um, we had, um, June building permits, uh, 242. 588 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:35,280 Uh, we had 77 single family homes and town houses permits as well. The second 589 00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:39,040 one was the mechanical change out of which could be expected with the 590 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:44,880 temperatures going on. Uh, we had just short of 3,000 inspections and the value 591 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:50,637 of construction was 27,714 plus. in July. A little bit higher in 592 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:54,480 our permits with 285, [clears throat] excuse me, with 113 593 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:59,480 single family residential homes and town home permits with 50 mechanical change 594 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,480 outs, 595 00:47:03,082 --> 00:47:09,119 [clears throat] excuse me. Um, total inspections were a little bit higher as 596 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,880 well with over 3,200. Uh, value construction was very similar to the 597 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:17,359 month before, just over uh just short of 28 million. um give you some highlights 598 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:20,960 on some recently approved plans. These are obviously plans that you have seen 599 00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:23,920 through the TRC approval. Uh there was definitely more plans than I'm going to 600 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:28,480 say, but I'm not going through the minor modifications or slight modifications 601 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:33,599 you've seen from approvals. So, the Taco Bell off of New Point in front of 602 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:37,760 Walmart was approved. Um the uh 1,500 800 I'm sorry, 15,800 mixeduse retail 603 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:43,839 building that's off of Westgate Drive next to the self self storage business 604 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:47,760 was also approved. Uh and the 20,000 plus square foot retail and office space 605 00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:51,040 off of old regent way next to the custom home furniture outlet was also approved. 606 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:54,720 So those are those recent approvals that have gone through the planning staff. 607 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:58,000 Other than that, that's pretty much all I have. Um all the other reports 608 00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:02,160 including the transportation report is in your packet. Um any questions or 609 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,960 comments? I'd be glad to try to address any. 610 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,119 » You mentioned um the ability to do annexations. Now um could you briefly 611 00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:12,880 mention what kind of limitations, if any, have been put on that? 612 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:18,319 » Sure. Um, if I recall correctly, it's everything that uh any part property 613 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:22,720 that the town of Leland owns or it's also any applications that we have 614 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:28,640 received prior to July 1st of this year that are no more than three 615 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,319 is it three miles? I'm getting confused from from the previous language, but 616 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:37,680 there's a geographical limitation of how far we can go, but the application had 617 00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:41,920 been received prior to that July 1 um adoption date. So, um, those are pretty 618 00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:44,720 much the limitations that we have. So, we can't 619 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:48,800 » So, after July 1st, >> we cannot annex those properties at this 620 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,079 time. >> Thank you. 621 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,640 » Other questions? Um, >> yes, Mr. 622 00:48:52,720 --> 00:49:00,559 » The uh the property there next to Lowe's, it was a sports center. It seems 623 00:48:57,599 --> 00:49:03,359 like it's closed. Is there any uh discussions about what's going to happen 624 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,839 with that property? >> Um, are you talking about Lowe's 625 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:09,680 hardware? >> Yeah. where the um 626 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:13,920 » I think O2 fitness >> um I am not aware of any um new 627 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,839 businesses going in there at this point applications. 628 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,720 » Okay. >> No, unaware. 629 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:23,440 » People have asked questions. I >> Yeah, I don't know the status on that. 630 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,280 » Okay. Anything else? And item 11 is 631 00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,559 adjournment. Do I have a motion to adjurnn the meeting? 632 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,720 » So moved. >> Do I have a second? 633 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:37,839 » Second. >> Any discussion? All in favor? I 634 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:42,400 » I any opposed? Then the next regular meeting of the planning board will be 635 00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:47,000 held September 22nd um at 6 PM right here. 636 00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:47,000 » Thank you.