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Good evening everyone. Welcome to everyone in the chambers. It's

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good to see a good crowd here this evening. I

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would like to call this Council meeting of the Town

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of Lincoln Council of July the 27th, 2026 to order.

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And I would ask, if you are able to please

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stand for the National Animal.

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True. Patrio. Come.

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La. Croix. Des. Plus brillants.

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Exploi.

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O. We. Stand on. God.

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Thank you. We have the right people. Here this evening.

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Thank you so much. I would like to begin by

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reading a safety notice. In the event of an emergency

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please evacuate Council Chambers to the nearest exit through the

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Chamber of Doors. Obey all instructions given. And assistance if

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it's required, please see the clerk to my right. She'll

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be out there once you've evacuated the building, please gather

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in the front parking lot outside of Town Hall. Now

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please ensure you place your cell phone on silent or

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turn it off. The Town of Lincoln Council meetings are

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all our videos by selecting the closed captioning button on

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the bottom right of the video. The Town of Lincoln,

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being part of the Niagara region is situated on treaty

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land. This land is steeped in the rich history of

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the First Nations, such as how to Wanderonk, the Hoden

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of Shone, Diana Schnabe, including the Mississaugas of the Credit

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First Nation. There are many First Nations, mati an inuit

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people from across Turtle Island that live and work in

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Niagara today. The Regional Municipality of Niagara and the Town

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of Lincoln stand with all Indigenous people past and present

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in promoting the wise stewardship of the lands on which

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we live. All members of Council are in attendance. And

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we have staff and attendance this evening. We also have

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representatives from the Lincoln soapbox Derby and the Lincoln Garden

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Club. And regional councillor foster is an attendance. Item 5

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is confirmation of agenda. Due to the recent flooding that

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occurred and in light of the comments from the CAO

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and members of council on this matter, I would like

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to move Council remarks to item seven on the agenda.

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Immediately before announcements by members to allow council the opportunity

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to discuss this issue at that time. I'll now ask

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for a show of hands. That is unanimous, thank you.

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Declarations of interest. Are there any declarations of interest. I

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see none. We will now consider the matter of recent

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flooding. That has occurred. And the CAO will provide some

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comments. Mr. C. Hale. Thank you, Madam Mayor. And following

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my comments, I am going to ask Director Graham to

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provide a little bit of an operational update for you

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as well. But this is one of those times where

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I'm not happy to be addressing Council. I wish I

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didn't have to speak on this particular. Item, but we

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are here. And so I will provide some comments. Staff

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meant today specifically to discuss what happened. We had been

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meeting over the weekend and following the storm up to

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and including that evening. And to review really the flooding

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event itself. But what happens next? What can we do

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next? I know I've discussed this with a number of

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members of council most recently as today. And I think

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you've heard me say a few times you've heard us

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say that this was one of those extraordinary storms. And

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generally our infrastructure performed relatively well. I say that, but

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to the resident who experienced significant flooding and there were

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many of them. That really doesn't make a difference that

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it performed well and that this was greater than 100

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- year type storms that were receiving. And so I

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say that really to say it doesn't really matter that

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our infrastructure performed well. At the end of the day,

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we need to understand where we had issues. There were

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areas with some of these micro bursts that didn't get

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hit that typically get hit. I think about Hickson. I

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think about other locations that during the storm we drove

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to. And there was actually very little rain. We need

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to understand the how this happened. And ultimately really the

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why so that we can figure out what happens next.

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You've heard us or you've seen us, whether it be

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social media or specifically reaching out to residents to gather

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information from those that were affected. Some have proactively already

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reached out. Some were going to be reaching out. And

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we really need to understand from everyone whether the flooding

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came through floor drains, whether it was their sump systems,

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the window wells, we had a lot of overland flow,

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or really if there were some other sources. And I

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think what we want to do with that is make

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sure that we're mapping that information to see what some

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of the patterns and what were some of the key

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issues. I think intuitively we know where some of those

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in Beamsville were. I heard from a number of you

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that were out that evening. Next, we're going to be

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working with our engineering consultant and primarily Niagara region to

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look at the storm and to really model how our

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systems perform. We're going to try to recreate it in

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a modelling format. Um, so that we can determine how

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we reduce it in the future. Importantly, and I think

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you've heard us talk about some of the regional infrastructure

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improvements that we're looking at on Ontario Street and in

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and around on Terio Street. Um, I think we're going

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to have to identify whether those need to be accelerated.

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uh, would have led to reduced flooding in those particular

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areas and specifically I'm talking about the Ontario Street Pumping

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from the tracks down towards the pumping station, which ends

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near Lake Ontario. And so at the end of the

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day, bottom line here is, yes, it was a massive

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storm. A lot of water in a short period of

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time. Um, but we need to make sure that if

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infrastructure needs to be accelerated, right now those works are

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scheduled for 2030. Um, if those works, do need to

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be accelerated, whether they're hours or the regions. We need

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to push to make that happen. And I do see

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Councillor Foster nodding. Um, but I think this is one

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of those things that in short order, we're going to

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determine what needs to get done. How it needs to

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get done. And if the region needs to come to

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the table, we'll be having those conversations. I've reached out

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to Deputy CAO surgy as well as Ron Trip today,

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uh, and I echoed similar comments as I'm making this

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evening. So. Turn it over to maybe director Graham if

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he's got some high level comments. He wants that. And

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then of course the members of Council. Director Graham. Through

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you, Madam Mayor. And to just build off what Mr.

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CAO had said, we really did receive an unprecedented amount

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of rainfall. Um, Beansville got hit the worst. Beensville North.

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minutes. And just for some context, that exceeds 100 year

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design storm that a lot of the infrastructure is designed

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for in turns in terms of its maximum service level.

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So that's why residents may have seen various stormwater management

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ponds, uh, where they may have been overflowing because that's

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the design service level that, uh, they've been, you know,

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built and designed to, to accommodate to 100 year storms.

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So we did see a lot of flooding across the

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community that probably a lot of people haven't seen before,

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just given the degree of this magnitude of this storm.

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steps, we are mapping, um, out every flooding report we

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receive from residents, various types of flooding. So we're mapping

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them out. We're going to be assessing them in much

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greater detail to try and learn what may have happened

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in some of those areas. We'll be working with, uh,

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our engineering consultants to also help as model some of

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the systems. Um, we have a lot of data from

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the rainfall that we can use to kind of help

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create, you know, what happened and see what we can

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learn from that. Uh, in terms of how things performed

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and identify, uh, what else can be done in the

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future to improve those situations. And we're going to be

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working very closely with our partners at the NAGA region,

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uh, as we go through this, this review. Thank you

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very much, Director Graham. Do you have anything else to

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add Mr. CAO. All right. Well, we'll open up the

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floor now to councillors. And, um, you can just go

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into the cues. You normally would, if you have, uh,

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any comments to make on this. Well, I would be

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very disappointed since you asked me, thank you very much

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Council Russell. You go ahead. We're good. Yep. Yep. Yep.

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Yep. That's the work. He's on. Thanks, Madam Mayor. Um,

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through you two staff, again, very much appreciate the opportunity

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to speak on this, uh, obviously, uh, again, being one

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of the ward one residents, we received probably the most,

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um, concerns raised in our area. I know I had,

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as of today, 99 homes, uh, that reached out to

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me directly about flooding concerns. Again, and it was all

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three. It was, um, again, sewer backup. There was overland.

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um, there is again, the wide variety across lower or

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northern ward one. I think what everybody just really wants

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to know is again, what is that plan going forward?

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So again, I talked to Councillor Bernie earlier today. I

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guess there is a motion coming forward in Grimsby. Should

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we bring forward a motion just to direct staff on

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the specifics of a report to come back? Or is

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staff already taken out on their side to, again, to

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your point about the external engineering firm coming in. Is

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that enough, um, to give you, uh, the direction on

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what to bring back to either this council or future

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council on, again, mitigation, um, again, problem solving. And just

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again, overall, what happened? Is that, uh, is that where

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we are right now? Mr. C. Hulk. Through you, Madam

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Mayor, did the council. I mean, Councillor, you know, motions

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are always something that council can look at providing us.

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I would tell you the severity of the issue, the

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amount of residents that were impacted by it. This is

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the top on our list in terms of priority. And

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so, um, I think, you know, you echoing that council

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echoing that this evening, I think is sufficient in terms

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of what staff's doing. We've already started to take action

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on a number of those. We can definitely determine what

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is the best way to make sure that that's communicated,

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both externally as well as internally so that members of

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council over the summer are kept up to speed and

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up to date in terms of what's happening. But I

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don't think the bigger issue right now than this. Today,

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probably about an hour or so, go receive a flood

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warning from NPCA now that covers the broader catchment. And

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so we were immediately, I think talking to one another

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in terms of just what other preventative measures can we

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do, what sort of communication externally needs to happen on

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that. And just to make sure that we're ready. So

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I don't think we need a formal motion. Definitely we're

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in Council's hands. Should you want that? But this is

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on the top of our list. PONNERTON Thank you for

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that. Um, second question, Madam Mayor. Again, talking to Councillor

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Micolik earlier today as well. Um, and just again, as

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far as again, terminology for disaster. Is there any metrics

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that we have either in our bylaws or our policies

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that would label something a disaster that may allow us

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to seek, um, funding from other levels of government to

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assist residents through situations like this. Again, I think if

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we're looking at 200, 300 homes potentially that were impacted

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by this. I don't know if that qualifies or if

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we even have that sort of thing in our policies,

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uh, that we could leverage. PON. Why don't I start

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that question councillor and either Dave Charlotte or Matt who

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have worked on these types of applications in the past.

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We tried the last time we had storms, uh, that

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really impacted a number of residents to look at, is

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there some provincial disaster relief funding that we could tap

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into and there wasn't. Uh, we don't have anything per

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se in our respective policies that would address this typically

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when we've had sex storms where we've had erosion or

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we've had significant land damage. We've been successful on two

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occasions actually to the tune of about three million dollars

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collectively in terms of what the province provided. Uh, I

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have reached out and spoken with, uh, the CAOs of

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St. Catherine's, uh, as well as the CAO up in

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West Lincoln and in Grimsby in terms of, you know,

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is there an opportunity to do something here? We did

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reach out to the region waiting for a bit more

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information on that. I don't believe it meets the threshold,

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um, but definitely, uh, should again, again, should, should counsel

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one, uh, provide us some direction even this evening to

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seek that out more formally. We can definitely, um, get

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you a more formal response from the provincial government on

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that. MONOC. Okay. And then just one follow up, Madam

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Mayor, three of you. Again, would there be any strength

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or to advocate at AMO for this type of thing?

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To again, either make it, again, it may be a

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more localized disaster funding model that could be tapped into

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to such things like this. Um, that again, I'm sure

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multiple municipalities across the province could probably utilise, especially again,

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as climate change starts to, again, alter some of the

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weather patterns that we've got. Is that something that, uh,

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you would suggest maybe that occurs at AMO. Through you,

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Madam Mayor, to the councillor. Absolutely. I think we can

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ask we're meeting with the ministry municipal affairs and housing.

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We can definitely add this to the list of items

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that we can have a discussion with them on. I

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agree with you. I think the threshold that is currently

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in place at the provincial government is one that is

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sometimes, um, difficult to reach or difficult to hit. It

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is when you have large scale emergencies and it was

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designed for things like tornadoes, things that are massive kind

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of climactic, um, interruptions or disruptions to communities, uh, and

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I think something like this as we start to experience

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more isolated showers and micro bursts and things like this

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that are happening, you know, in no way can we

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create infrastructure. That is of the size and scope or

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at least it would be cost prohibitive to do so

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that would be able to accommodate this amount of water.

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But when we do have issues like this, we need

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to be able to tap into funding, uh, versus people

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simply just going to their home insurance companies, which I

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know I've heard some of the challenges with that as

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well. So definitely something we can add to our ammo

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delegation list and make sure that we bring that forward.

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Okay. Thank you, Mr. Sioux. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Councillor

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Brunet, please go ahead.

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We'll move you up. In the queue. Yeah. Uh. Councillor

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Patrieva, put yourself back on, put it on and I'll

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move you up. I'll just. Move him up. I. Think

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you were next. Yep. He was. And now. We'll just

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go here. Okay. Great. Go ahead. Thank you, Madam Mayor,

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through you. Um, appreciate the opportunity to be discussing this.

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You know, obviously there's a number of families that are

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having to deal with this. And, um, I do appreciate

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the public works team and how quickly they got out

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there to talk to some of these families. That, you

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know, in some areas, uh, I spoke to a family

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today. They've been living on Green Lane since they bought

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since they purchased or built their house actually. It was

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farmland in 1979 and they built the house and, uh,

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have never had any flooding until last Monday. So, um,

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it's pretty tumultuous for some of these people to have

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to deal with it. They don't understand, um, you know,

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how the insurance work. They don't know what a claim

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involves. So I really appreciate the fact that, um, we've

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made a great effort to get out there, um, but

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my question through you, Madam Mayor, to either the CA

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or to the director or maybe just Mr. Deani is,

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um, you know, as we move forward, um, and director

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Graham kind of touched on it. Um, we have made

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some huge investments in our infrastructure. And I heard comments

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about the cherry heights'storm retention pond. I heard comments about

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the storm retention pawn at the corner of Bartlett in

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Green Lane. And normally those ponds are bone dry and,

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you know, last Tuesday, they were full to the brink.

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In reality, those, that means they're working to their full

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capacity and they're working as designed. But through you, Madam

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Mayor, to whoever wants to handle it, um, how do

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we get that communication out that, you know, the infrastructure

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that we've done on Lincoln Avenue is actually working that

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when someone sees, um, that rainwater going over the sidewalk,

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on the curb and down the middle of the road

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to the, to the culvert and to the, um, area

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by good earth, that that is by design. That's where

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we want to take the water. We want it to

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flow down there so it doesn't go east, west into

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somebody's basement. So how do we communicate that? So, you

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know, residents really understand in parallel. Uh, it doesn't, it

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doesn't ease the pain. It doesn't help, um, the stress

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of, of having to bring a contractor in and redo

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your house. But, um, in parallel. I think communication is

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really important. And education. And I'm just wondering, how do

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we get that? How do we get out that, uh,

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to the, to the general population. Mr. Sayo, would you

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hear. Three, Madam Mayor. Absolutely. And I think it's a

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good question, Council. I think we've started a little bit

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of that, but to your point, uh, is it reaching

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everyone that it needs to reach to? Not everyone's going

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to local media. Not everyone is going to our website

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or other social media channels. So I think some of

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it is really taking that old fashion approach and individually

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doing what we've started to doing. I know I've started

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doing reaching out to individuals one by one. And I

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think carrying some of that message forward, um, because you're

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right again, people are in the crux of dealing with

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an emergency in their own homes, uh, they're not logging

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on to a website to look for information or they're

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not necessarily reading their local paper. And so I think,

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uh, again, some of that's going to be just the

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individual outreach that we do. But, um, I know Dave

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and a number of his staff, uh, did work late

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and have continued to work late talking to residents specifically.

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And I think all of you are messengers in that

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as well, in terms of being able to share that

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information. So if we need to equip you as well,

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we will do that. But I don't know if anyone

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else on the team maybe wants to add something. Mr.

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Dianni, do you have any comments. Thank you, madam Mayor.

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And through you to the Councillor, just to sort of

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dovetail on what the CO indicated, uh, I think our

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communication approach over the last little bit, councillor has really

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been focused on, uh, providing obviously some empathy and understanding

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in terms of what our residents have experienced last week,

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showcasing what we're trying to do to prevent this moving

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forward, similar to the comments that the CO made in

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regards to our public work staff and they're working with

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the region. But I think in terms of next steps,

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that could be something that we will definitely look at.

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I know as a CO indicator, we had some conversations

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this morning. The communication staff in terms of how we

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can get some more messaging out there, uh, and I

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think, uh, we'll take to heart what you just said.

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So thank you. Thank you very much. Council Renee. If

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I could just follow with another question. I know that,

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um, I know Councillor Russell indicated that, um, from his

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perspective, the calls that he's getting as award one councillor

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that Beanfield was hit hard. And we agree with that.

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But we've also, we've also been aware of a district

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in Vineland and Tolman Drive. And they experience quite a

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bit of flooding. So I'm wondering, um. I'm wondering what

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the thoughts are on that specifically. I know we've had,

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you know, we've had that on our radar. We've been

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hearing it at ward meetings. We've been hearing it at,

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uh, the Moses Rittenhouse open houses. And some of those

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residents have been looking for some assistants. So I'm just

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wondering if through Madam Mayor, the CEO could speak to

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that specifically. POND. To the Councillor. I think your right

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councillor. Tollman is one of those, um, areas in our

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community and Vineland. That is the hardest hit and has

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been the hardest hit. And I think you've heard me

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say on a number of occasions. If I'm prioritizing capital

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investments over the next number of years, Tollman's probably on

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the top of the list in terms of what needs

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to get done. Uh, some of that work is conditional

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on the region. Uh, but I think we need to

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look at what can be phased, what we can do

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in advance of the regional work. And I think every

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time we have issues like this, the region does need

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to be brought up to speed. No different than what

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we're going to do on Ontario Street. And the pumping

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station in terms of 2030. Again, knowing that everyone's got

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an infrastructure deficit in infrastructure shortfall. And we have limited

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amounts of money. But to me, Tollman Drive remains the

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top priority that we need to start advocating for and

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prioritize when we look at capital works into 2027 and

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beyond. PONO PO Thank you, Madam Mayor. Thank you, Councillor.

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Councillor Pechiriva, please go ahead. Yeah. Thank you, your worship.

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Um, and I'm going to kind of go down the

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same tact as Council Brene and Councillor Russell. I'm going

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to start off first with AMO. Um, we had some,

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uh, success a few years ago when we advocated about

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the change of the state of emergency. When it dealt

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with social issues like mental health, addiction and homelessness. And

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I think this is a great opportunity to come and

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say, you know, as not only we experience it, but

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other areas of the province, be it an ice storm

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or flooding or fire. These things are here and now.

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And we can say that, you know, they're reaching thresholds

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of 100 year storms, but when they happen every couple

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of years, that someone's reality. So I think it's, I

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think it's very important that that becomes top of the

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list for our ammo delegations. Um, secondly, with respect to

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communication, um, I think we need to maybe take a

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little bit of a pivot. Um, to try to separate

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the three causes, right? So we've got overland flow. We've

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got sewer backup. And then we've got, um, like streams,

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creeks. And they're three distinctive possibilities. So whether we maybe

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use an insert because it's, it's still hot on the

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press. The Council priorities. And I know it's all printed,

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but a little insert in there on, okay, this is

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what she can do to combat yourself against, um, sewage

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backup, right? Backflow prevention. And maybe we develop a little

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program with, with, um, some money going back. Um, with

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respect to overland flow, you know. Keep your swales clear.

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Don't put a shed in it. Don't put a raised

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garden bed in it. And things like that, like, much

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like when the fires have hit out west, you've got

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a fireproof your home. So you don't have these shrubs

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that are flammable close to the home. And do a

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whole, um, uh. Communication. Program around that on arming our

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residents with what they can do and then how we

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can help them to get there. And I think the

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third one and the most important from, from my standpoint,

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having stood out there and watched the water rushing down,

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uh, the creek beside lencos. And then through the brand

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new box culvert and around it like Council Bernet said,

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it went down Lincoln Avenue. It went down the curb.

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That's where we wanted to go. But people don't know

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that the, the creeks are their responsibility. To keep them

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clear. So whether we, we maybe adopt them as a

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municipal drains or some oversight or work with Councillor Foster

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and the conservation authority to develop some type of program

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to educate and help the residents keep these things clear.

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Because it only becomes top of mind when something like

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this happens. Like there was a resident on Green Lane

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that had flooding overland flooding. And you could see the

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brown water right up to the back. So this poor

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gal got hit from the back from the stream overflowing

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and then got hit from the front. From the water

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rushing down Green Lane because she was in the dip.

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And, um, you know, she's looking after a brother who's

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ill in the house. She had six inches of water

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in the basement. So you can't call her because her

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modems cooked. And then she had another four steps down

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to like a sub basement. That freezers and chests. And

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it was heartbreaking to see it. And, you know, she

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couldn't try to contact the insurance and things like that.

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And I know we've all been diligent to on posting

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things, but, you know, we had the map come out.

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And I think Council Russell posted. And I was about

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to post. And then it starts, well, where is, where

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am I? Why am I not there? So what kind

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of does more bad than good if we can kind

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of regroup on all this and, and get some messaging

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out? Cause it's, it's up to us to control the

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narrative. That's the thing that really bothered me that, you

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know, the infrastructure's not, not working. And we've spent money

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on parks and trails and not looked after this. Well,

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that's not true. Right. So just need to be a

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little more diligent now in the messaging. I think we've

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got through the compassionate part. And that's still got to

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be there. And it's still always going to be there.

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But, you know, how can we help and what can

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we do. To prevent it. Through you, Madamer, all good

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points, Councillor, and all things that, um, are in progress,

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both in terms of the community newsletter, as well as

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a number of other things. So, um, every, everyone from

471
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:24,429
our climate, uh, environmental coordinator to operation staff are working

472
00:31:24,610 --> 00:31:26,909
on providing some of those updates. I think you provided

473
00:31:26,949 --> 00:31:29,629
some good suggestions in terms of other things that we

474
00:31:29,629 --> 00:31:32,849
can be doing more proactively. I think, you know, I

475
00:31:32,849 --> 00:31:35,149
can tell you we probably had, um, a little under

476
00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:40,029
two dozen people. You know, following the storm, um, uptake

477
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:44,029
the backflow preventer program and the grants that we have,

478
00:31:44,029 --> 00:31:46,669
uh, for residents on that. And I think, um, the

479
00:31:46,709 --> 00:31:48,669
more people that are aware of that program and the

480
00:31:48,669 --> 00:31:51,949
funding available, uh, for each individual home that wants to

481
00:31:51,949 --> 00:31:54,569
put in that backflow preventer, I think the better. Uh,

482
00:31:54,569 --> 00:31:56,589
and so we have talked about if we're over prescribed

483
00:31:56,629 --> 00:31:58,109
how we're going to address that. And I think we've

484
00:31:58,109 --> 00:32:01,389
got a plan in terms of, uh, the conversations that

485
00:32:01,429 --> 00:32:04,989
director tunicatis, Graham and I have had recently knowing that,

486
00:32:04,989 --> 00:32:07,949
uh, already we had had over 20 people subscribed to

487
00:32:07,949 --> 00:32:09,549
that. So a number of ways I think we're going

488
00:32:09,549 --> 00:32:11,229
to try to get the information out. And so I

489
00:32:11,229 --> 00:32:14,629
appreciate your comments. And, and that's terrific. And two, I

490
00:32:14,629 --> 00:32:16,909
just want to highlight the fact too that that staff

491
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:19,869
was out there during the storm. I mean, there was,

492
00:32:19,869 --> 00:32:21,629
uh, you know, the fire truck at the corner of

493
00:32:21,650 --> 00:32:25,389
Green Lane pumping. Mr. Neubauer was up at King Street

494
00:32:25,410 --> 00:32:29,549
and Lincoln Avenue and was witnessing the water rushing firsthand.

495
00:32:31,494 --> 00:32:36,013
And that, you know, people that have put in, you

496
00:32:36,013 --> 00:32:40,113
know, contact information that, uh, staff is doing everything they

497
00:32:40,153 --> 00:32:43,793
can to reach out. And then those circumstances too, when,

498
00:32:43,793 --> 00:32:46,033
you know, their telephone line isn't working that they'll make

499
00:32:46,073 --> 00:32:49,086
every effort to go and knock on the door. And,

500
00:32:49,086 --> 00:32:51,846
you know, go with a compassionate year and that. So

501
00:32:52,067 --> 00:33:01,435
thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. Uh, through

502
00:33:01,475 --> 00:33:04,955
you to our CEO. Yeah. Thank you, Councillor Russell for

503
00:33:04,976 --> 00:33:11,806
bringing it up. Disaster conversation when I spoke to you

504
00:33:12,227 --> 00:33:15,166
earlier today. I did consider this to be a disaster

505
00:33:15,507 --> 00:33:21,006
similar to any disaster where there's excessive water. With sewage,

506
00:33:21,187 --> 00:33:24,206
I can't even imagine the scope of that disaster is

507
00:33:24,246 --> 00:33:27,806
I've not experienced that one. Um, thank you Council Brunet

508
00:33:27,846 --> 00:33:31,686
for bringing up the vine land issues and Tolman. I

509
00:33:31,686 --> 00:33:34,206
think the more of us that recognise that area is

510
00:33:34,206 --> 00:33:37,566
being a problem area. The stronger the argument would be

511
00:33:37,827 --> 00:33:41,006
for the region to and ourselves to step up and

512
00:33:41,027 --> 00:33:47,006
take this, um, matter seriously in the future. Um, with

513
00:33:47,046 --> 00:33:52,569
regards to. This, we're always hearing about, unprecedented storm. These

514
00:33:52,569 --> 00:33:56,089
unprecedented storms seem to be happening quite frequently. And I'm

515
00:33:56,089 --> 00:33:59,574
going to ask our director of planning. What sort of

516
00:33:59,574 --> 00:34:06,419
data. Our engineers using when it comes to stormwater, sewer

517
00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:10,581
water management. Uh, how outdated is this? Is this, um,

518
00:34:11,342 --> 00:34:14,041
are the specs or the stats from 90 years ago

519
00:34:14,622 --> 00:34:17,961
that this is happening almost on a regular basis to

520
00:34:17,982 --> 00:34:23,892
the point where residents can't get insurance anymore. Does this

521
00:34:25,833 --> 00:34:30,132
do these specifications or acceptances need to be reviewed and

522
00:34:30,132 --> 00:34:36,860
updated? I've asked this before. Mr. Brooder. Yeah, thanks. Through

523
00:34:36,860 --> 00:34:39,888
you, Madam Mayor. Yeah, it's a good question. I mean,

524
00:34:39,888 --> 00:34:44,448
when we look at designs of new developments and new

525
00:34:44,448 --> 00:34:46,928
development, when I say new developments, that can range from,

526
00:34:46,928 --> 00:34:48,688
you know, a new house being built and a drainage

527
00:34:48,728 --> 00:34:52,448
plan associated with that to a larger subdivision. Um, there

528
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:55,808
are design standards that need to be, you know, undertaken

529
00:34:55,989 --> 00:34:58,768
and fulfilled specifically. I don't want to go too far

530
00:34:58,808 --> 00:35:02,848
into the technical details, but, you know, we look at,

531
00:35:02,848 --> 00:35:05,088
or the design engineers look at, okay, what's happening on

532
00:35:05,128 --> 00:35:08,208
the site before the development happens. Usually there's already some

533
00:35:08,248 --> 00:35:11,728
type of drainage pattern water coming in, leaving the site.

534
00:35:11,728 --> 00:35:15,488
Um, that's supposed to be kind of maintained or, or

535
00:35:15,509 --> 00:35:19,168
held capacity and flow ice so that what happens after

536
00:35:19,189 --> 00:35:22,528
the development, um, water leaving the site is the same

537
00:35:22,528 --> 00:35:25,328
as it was before. And the means of doing so.

538
00:35:25,328 --> 00:35:28,848
I heard stormwater management ponds, um, sometimes there's underground storage

539
00:35:28,869 --> 00:35:31,888
tanks. Sometimes there's upsized pipes under the ground to kind

540
00:35:31,888 --> 00:35:34,288
of hold that water and discharge it slowly. So you

541
00:35:34,288 --> 00:35:36,768
can match the pre - development levels. What the issue

542
00:35:36,789 --> 00:35:40,848
is, is all these design parameters are associated with what

543
00:35:40,848 --> 00:35:43,008
we call in the industry a hundred year storm on

544
00:35:43,008 --> 00:35:45,808
the max side of things in terms of capacity. Well,

545
00:35:45,808 --> 00:35:48,448
I think, you know, we can all acknowledge, um, that

546
00:35:48,869 --> 00:35:51,248
those are happening a lot more frequently than every hundred

547
00:35:51,288 --> 00:35:55,408
years these days, um, because of a variety of factors.

548
00:35:55,408 --> 00:36:00,368
Um, the hundred year design is something that is industry

549
00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:03,328
- wide at the moment. You're right. It's been industry

550
00:36:03,328 --> 00:36:05,568
- wide for quite some time now. It's something the

551
00:36:05,608 --> 00:36:08,448
industry is looking at in the context of climate change

552
00:36:08,629 --> 00:36:12,368
and adaptation. But, you know, there haven't been new standards

553
00:36:12,469 --> 00:36:14,728
developed yet. I think it's a little bit, it's a

554
00:36:14,728 --> 00:36:18,368
very big undertaking because it applies very broadly. I'm not

555
00:36:18,408 --> 00:36:21,228
sure what the implications are from an insurance perspective, but

556
00:36:21,228 --> 00:36:25,088
that's what I can tell you is that, um, those

557
00:36:25,128 --> 00:36:27,088
particular standards have been in place for quite some time

558
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:30,188
and they are being looked at because the recognition. You

559
00:36:30,188 --> 00:36:32,688
take that storm. We got, you know, probably even a

560
00:36:32,688 --> 00:36:34,688
little better than a hundred year design storm in like

561
00:36:34,728 --> 00:36:37,088
an hour and a half. So, you know, these are

562
00:36:37,088 --> 00:36:38,448
the types of things that need to be looked at

563
00:36:38,869 --> 00:36:42,051
because of the, uh, increased frequency of these events. Appreciate

564
00:36:42,072 --> 00:36:45,891
that answer. I think it's not so climate change. I

565
00:36:45,891 --> 00:36:47,891
think it's an adaptation. I think we need to adapt

566
00:36:48,072 --> 00:36:53,811
ourselves to expect these sorts of, uh, instances to occur

567
00:36:53,912 --> 00:36:56,931
more often. You live in Florida. You don't have a

568
00:36:56,952 --> 00:36:59,051
basement. I don't even know if I would want to

569
00:36:59,192 --> 00:37:01,091
basement if I was living in an area that would

570
00:37:01,131 --> 00:37:05,811
have flooding, especially this sort, you know, is frequently is

571
00:37:05,811 --> 00:37:10,611
what I'm hearing. Um, another question I have is to

572
00:37:10,611 --> 00:37:14,371
ourselves and to our CAO, like with respect to the

573
00:37:14,552 --> 00:37:18,371
timeline of reviewing this with the region. And this sort

574
00:37:18,371 --> 00:37:21,811
of thing. There's developments, new developments that are going to

575
00:37:21,912 --> 00:37:28,371
be asking more of our existing or current infrastructure. Do

576
00:37:28,632 --> 00:37:31,651
we, do we just keep going with all of that?

577
00:37:31,651 --> 00:37:34,211
Like, um, do we put a pause on that? Do

578
00:37:34,392 --> 00:37:37,331
we wait and look at this before we move forward

579
00:37:37,432 --> 00:37:44,531
with future parking lots, future, um, condominium, future, anything.

580
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:56,541
Through humanity, the councillor. Anytime we have a new development,

581
00:37:56,541 --> 00:38:00,141
uh, small or large and direct or brooder can definitely

582
00:38:00,242 --> 00:38:04,221
chime in. In those particular cases, we're doing those types

583
00:38:04,261 --> 00:38:07,501
of studies and modelling to determine, does the addition of

584
00:38:08,482 --> 00:38:12,221
eight new homes, 10 new homes, uh, 50 new condos

585
00:38:13,362 --> 00:38:15,901
impact our water systems. Maybe to go back to the

586
00:38:16,082 --> 00:38:18,301
100 year storm, 100 year storm doesn't mean it's necessarily

587
00:38:18,402 --> 00:38:20,941
going to occur one in 100 years. What it means

588
00:38:20,941 --> 00:38:24,141
is that historically there was a one percent chance of

589
00:38:24,141 --> 00:38:27,581
that storm occurring to that severity. And so I think

590
00:38:27,581 --> 00:38:29,821
we could all, or we would all determine when we

591
00:38:29,821 --> 00:38:34,061
look at, you know, rainfall statistics, that it's based on

592
00:38:34,882 --> 00:38:38,301
PAST observations, not future observations. And I think what we're

593
00:38:38,341 --> 00:38:41,501
seeing more now, uh, is the fact that how do

594
00:38:41,501 --> 00:38:44,461
our other systems work that support it? I've said it

595
00:38:44,461 --> 00:38:48,141
before and I think Councillor Brunet hit this particular point.

596
00:38:48,141 --> 00:38:50,861
Uh, it is inconceivable to think that we could build

597
00:38:51,122 --> 00:38:54,381
every pipe or culvert or pumping station, um, to handle

598
00:38:55,122 --> 00:38:58,781
every possible storm. The costs would be enormous. And that's

599
00:38:58,821 --> 00:39:02,541
just not how municipalities, um, you know, look at kind

600
00:39:02,541 --> 00:39:04,701
of modern flood resilience. I think what we need to

601
00:39:04,701 --> 00:39:07,341
do is determine are all our systems working well together

602
00:39:07,682 --> 00:39:11,981
is the overland flowing is the influention that we're looking

603
00:39:12,021 --> 00:39:17,341
at addressed. Our stormwater management PON's acceptable. And so I

604
00:39:17,842 --> 00:39:19,981
use that example to talk to you about now moving

605
00:39:20,002 --> 00:39:22,301
forward. What do we do with developments that are coming

606
00:39:23,122 --> 00:39:26,727
towards us are coming online. I think we need to

607
00:39:26,868 --> 00:39:29,807
continue to update and look at whatever town and regional

608
00:39:29,847 --> 00:39:34,527
improvements can reduce that particular impact. But I don't know

609
00:39:34,567 --> 00:39:38,447
if director brooder may have, you know, something to add.

610
00:39:38,447 --> 00:39:39,807
I think he may be able to chime in in

611
00:39:39,807 --> 00:39:42,767
terms of how we look at individual projects, uh, our

612
00:39:42,767 --> 00:39:46,527
individual homes, but adding a few homes, you know, isn't

613
00:39:46,548 --> 00:39:48,527
necessarily what's going to impact the system. We need to

614
00:39:48,527 --> 00:39:51,402
look at it at a much more macro level. PONO

615
00:39:51,503 --> 00:39:56,645
Mr. Brooder. Thank you, Mayor Easton. Um, yeah, I think

616
00:39:56,906 --> 00:40:00,005
another thing to consider, I agree, you know, we definitely

617
00:40:00,106 --> 00:40:03,205
have to exercise a high level of diligence when it

618
00:40:03,205 --> 00:40:05,605
comes to new developments, which we are. Um, we're trying

619
00:40:05,605 --> 00:40:08,165
to look at larger catchment areas too. When we get

620
00:40:08,205 --> 00:40:11,285
a development application, not just that specific property trying to

621
00:40:11,285 --> 00:40:13,765
figure out the overall drainage patterns in the area and

622
00:40:13,765 --> 00:40:15,125
go from there. But one thing I did want to

623
00:40:15,125 --> 00:40:17,605
highlight an additional point that I think might get lost

624
00:40:17,605 --> 00:40:19,685
in this is I know we're talking about new development

625
00:40:19,866 --> 00:40:22,725
and the extra contributions in terms of the impacts of

626
00:40:22,765 --> 00:40:25,365
the overall drainage system, but also I would add a

627
00:40:25,365 --> 00:40:28,085
lot of these design standards requiring this control on site

628
00:40:28,125 --> 00:40:30,725
for new development for some of the existing and longstanding

629
00:40:30,746 --> 00:40:32,725
land uses that are already there and have been there

630
00:40:32,765 --> 00:40:35,285
for years. That wasn't there. So I think that's a

631
00:40:35,306 --> 00:40:37,385
whole other factor that goes into this. Some of the

632
00:40:37,385 --> 00:40:41,905
existing properties, developments that have happened. I don't know, you

633
00:40:41,905 --> 00:40:44,405
know, decades ago that are there now. Um, I would

634
00:40:44,506 --> 00:40:47,125
contend with you that even though, yes, we're seeing the

635
00:40:47,125 --> 00:40:50,085
severity of storms happen more often than perhaps they used

636
00:40:50,085 --> 00:40:52,565
to. I would also say though that the standards, although

637
00:40:52,565 --> 00:40:55,045
we talked about may need to be updated, they're still

638
00:40:55,045 --> 00:40:57,205
more stringent than they were when a lot of other

639
00:40:57,306 --> 00:40:59,605
developments went in years ago. So I think that's an

640
00:40:59,626 --> 00:41:02,645
important point too when you're considering kind of existing land

641
00:41:02,645 --> 00:41:04,885
uses already there to new development. And it's just a

642
00:41:04,885 --> 00:41:09,689
little bit of a clarification I wanted to make. I

643
00:41:09,689 --> 00:41:11,369
appreciate that. I just, you know, when we talk about

644
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:13,689
the future and we talk about, you know, this and

645
00:41:13,689 --> 00:41:16,569
that, that's part of the adaptation or that's part of

646
00:41:16,569 --> 00:41:19,529
the, uh, the new norm that I think we all

647
00:41:19,569 --> 00:41:22,089
need to look at, not just arm municipality, but any

648
00:41:22,190 --> 00:41:27,849
municipality that, uh, sees a dark rain cloud, um, so

649
00:41:28,030 --> 00:41:30,089
those are my comments. And the other thing is just

650
00:41:30,089 --> 00:41:32,889
like, you know, there's even in Jordan itself, there was

651
00:41:32,889 --> 00:41:34,709
a, there was, there was an individual that, you know,

652
00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:38,249
he got flooded out because the surface water on a,

653
00:41:38,289 --> 00:41:43,677
on a quite a pretty recent, um. Parking lot that

654
00:41:43,717 --> 00:41:46,397
was constructed, you know, saying that this has never happened

655
00:41:46,418 --> 00:41:52,524
before, this and that. And it's just, it's tough. To.

656
00:41:53,646 --> 00:41:58,505
Knock on this person's door, knowing what they're experiencing. And,

657
00:41:58,505 --> 00:42:02,105
you know, having the answer, well, everything, everything meets standards.

658
00:42:02,978 --> 00:42:05,797
Well, some people are going to disagree with that. So

659
00:42:05,797 --> 00:42:08,317
that's, that's why I'm bringing these sorts of questions up

660
00:42:09,138 --> 00:42:17,988
at this time. Thank you. Councillor Renema. Thank you, Madam

661
00:42:17,988 --> 00:42:21,908
Mayor. Uh, so my question is about, I have attended

662
00:42:21,948 --> 00:42:24,708
on your behalf and with you, um, some great lakes,

663
00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:29,408
St. Lawrence, um, cities initiatives, um, conference and some, um,

664
00:42:30,169 --> 00:42:33,727
uh, some other events. And obviously, uh, one of the

665
00:42:33,727 --> 00:42:36,467
things that's talked about is water and how to control

666
00:42:36,648 --> 00:42:40,547
water. Um, I think the, you know, if you look

667
00:42:40,547 --> 00:42:43,987
back over the last 10 years, Canada wide, the crazy

668
00:42:44,328 --> 00:42:48,687
sort of flooding events, really intense flooding events. So, um,

669
00:42:48,968 --> 00:42:51,587
I'm wondering if there's any wisdom advice on a precedent

670
00:42:52,008 --> 00:42:57,027
that that group can provide. But my question is, Councillor

671
00:42:57,067 --> 00:43:02,387
Miklick brought up insurance and Councillor Russell brought up AMO.

672
00:43:02,387 --> 00:43:05,187
So I'm wondering if that's something that we can look

673
00:43:05,227 --> 00:43:08,787
at discussing at AMO with the Ministry of Finance about,

674
00:43:08,787 --> 00:43:13,009
you know, asking what that looks like. Canada - wide

675
00:43:13,030 --> 00:43:15,089
and locally and how people are being affected by the

676
00:43:15,110 --> 00:43:18,609
flooding and getting ahead of it and seeing if they're

677
00:43:18,609 --> 00:43:21,249
anticipating any issues. And if the ministry can do to

678
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:24,529
assist. Because if you can't get insurance, that's tough. Mr.

679
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:26,529
CAO, would you have anything that you could add now.

680
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,698
Three, Madam Mayor, to Council Regime. I think when we

681
00:43:32,698 --> 00:43:34,938
look at the work that the Great Lakes in St.

682
00:43:34,978 --> 00:43:39,338
Lawrence cities initiative, uh, is doing, I mean, they are

683
00:43:39,338 --> 00:43:40,938
doing a lot of work, as you will know, being

684
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:45,138
our rep on there around municipal climate adaptation. Some of

685
00:43:45,138 --> 00:43:49,978
the infrastructure vulnerability issues. And specifically, uh, the watershed based

686
00:43:51,439 --> 00:43:55,338
stormwater management. I think continuing to advocate and bringing some

687
00:43:55,338 --> 00:43:58,058
of those voices to the table when we're at AMO.

688
00:43:58,058 --> 00:44:00,218
I think it's going to be critical. Um, as we

689
00:44:00,218 --> 00:44:02,618
move forward. And so I think, you know, we take

690
00:44:02,618 --> 00:44:04,938
that comment, councillor, I think in addition to the other

691
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:07,258
comments, this evening. I think we need to be looking

692
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:10,698
at those particular issues and looking at the whole watershed

693
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:15,178
in particular, as well as some of the vulnerability assessments

694
00:44:15,218 --> 00:44:18,778
that I know the Great Lakes in St. Lawrence cities

695
00:44:18,799 --> 00:44:24,419
initiative is encouraging us to undertake with them. PONO Thank

696
00:44:24,419 --> 00:44:29,988
you. Thank you very much, Councillor. And, um, maybe we

697
00:44:30,009 --> 00:44:35,548
could just give regional Councillor Foster a little heads up

698
00:44:36,089 --> 00:44:38,308
so that he could make a few comments regarding the

699
00:44:38,329 --> 00:44:41,188
NPCA on some of these matters when you present your

700
00:44:41,289 --> 00:44:46,315
report tonight. If there's an. Okay, we move on now

701
00:44:46,336 --> 00:44:50,315
to Councillor Reimer. Go ahead, Councillor. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

702
00:44:50,741 --> 00:44:54,560
Uh, a couple of questions. Um, first, maybe to Director

703
00:44:54,661 --> 00:44:58,080
Brooder, um, I think it's important that we are investigation

704
00:44:58,181 --> 00:45:00,920
determines the actual cause of some of these things. I

705
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,800
know people who have, who have been affected by it

706
00:45:03,381 --> 00:45:05,120
aren't really going to care. But I think as far

707
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:10,080
as a determining, um, sometish happened already. And it's hard

708
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,561
to understand, but, but drainage, overland drainage. That's almost impossible

709
00:45:13,822 --> 00:45:15,721
to gauge that for a hundred year storm. Right. So

710
00:45:15,721 --> 00:45:18,521
if it's overland, we still need to know about it.

711
00:45:18,521 --> 00:45:20,601
But I think the important thing is, and I'll ask

712
00:45:20,702 --> 00:45:23,801
Director Bruder this, uh, the sewage backup. Was it not

713
00:45:23,822 --> 00:45:26,441
discussed at higher levels or is it not part of

714
00:45:26,441 --> 00:45:30,121
the building code already that some newer builds or possibly

715
00:45:30,142 --> 00:45:33,880
will have those as part of the building code. And

716
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:39,739
their sewers and new houses or not. Sewage backup. Yeah.

717
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,339
Sanitary sewage backup. Dr. Bruder, sorry. Didn't explain. Yeah. Our

718
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,499
senators sewage would have the backplow for vendor as part

719
00:45:45,499 --> 00:45:50,142
of the building code. PONOSIN, that's correct. Councillor, they would

720
00:45:50,142 --> 00:45:51,982
with the newer buildings. Yes. They'd be subject to the

721
00:45:52,003 --> 00:45:55,981
newer building code requirements, which require that. Okay. To touch

722
00:45:55,981 --> 00:45:58,701
on maybe something as a follow - up May Reese

723
00:45:58,701 --> 00:46:01,581
and just something that Councillor Pachiva, maybe some, some type

724
00:46:01,581 --> 00:46:03,901
of program we could offer, you know, we've done that

725
00:46:03,922 --> 00:46:07,181
in the past with other things. Um, to help those

726
00:46:07,221 --> 00:46:09,581
who don't have that requirement. Any idea what time of

727
00:46:09,602 --> 00:46:12,201
year that or what the year that became in, uh,

728
00:46:12,402 --> 00:46:16,301
Councillor Root or Councillor Hooter. Director Rooter. What year did

729
00:46:16,301 --> 00:46:18,301
that come in the Ontario building code just so people,

730
00:46:18,322 --> 00:46:20,301
people would know when their house was built that they

731
00:46:20,301 --> 00:46:25,408
have that protection in there. Through you, Mary said. And

732
00:46:25,408 --> 00:46:27,748
I'm not exactly sure. Councillor, when that would have come

733
00:46:27,748 --> 00:46:28,948
in, it'd be, it would have been in place for

734
00:46:28,948 --> 00:46:30,948
a little while now though. Like I upwards of a

735
00:46:30,948 --> 00:46:32,708
decade for sure that it would have been. I think

736
00:46:32,708 --> 00:46:34,228
it's 10 years, but I wasn't sure the exact year.

737
00:46:34,268 --> 00:46:36,904
Yeah. Around there. Okay. So thank you for that. I

738
00:46:36,904 --> 00:46:40,344
just wanted to thank also staff for, um, there are

739
00:46:40,344 --> 00:46:42,264
attentiveness on that day. I was in contact with director

740
00:46:42,285 --> 00:46:43,784
agreement a couple of times on that day. And he

741
00:46:43,784 --> 00:46:46,344
responded to a couple of instances. One, he knew about

742
00:46:46,445 --> 00:46:48,264
already. But the other one he was, he was right

743
00:46:48,304 --> 00:46:51,624
on top of it. And since staff out to, to

744
00:46:51,645 --> 00:46:54,024
act. So that was, uh, that was good to see.

745
00:46:54,064 --> 00:46:59,704
Um, I'm glad to hear we have a, an engineering

746
00:46:59,965 --> 00:47:04,584
firm looking at these, again, going back to the causes,

747
00:47:04,584 --> 00:47:07,064
um, and I would hope that they're not only looking

748
00:47:07,165 --> 00:47:11,144
at the causes, but also some solutions. Um, and I

749
00:47:11,144 --> 00:47:14,664
can't help but thinking we, we struggle, um, these last

750
00:47:14,664 --> 00:47:17,704
two occurrences happened. One happened in 2025 and early April

751
00:47:17,965 --> 00:47:21,064
and the last one in July. And we struggle getting

752
00:47:21,165 --> 00:47:25,339
water off the escarpment basically to the lake. Right? Except

753
00:47:25,379 --> 00:47:28,299
we have King Street, John Street, Green Lane, the CN

754
00:47:28,339 --> 00:47:30,379
tracks and the QW on the way. That's, that's all

755
00:47:30,379 --> 00:47:32,219
it's in the way. And then we, and now we're

756
00:47:32,259 --> 00:47:35,819
talking with the NAGA irrigation initiative project. And we're going

757
00:47:35,819 --> 00:47:37,579
to pump it all back up again for the farmers.

758
00:47:38,274 --> 00:47:41,453
So it just seems, I hope there's some outside the

759
00:47:41,493 --> 00:47:44,413
box thinking that, that we could somehow coordinate those two

760
00:47:44,453 --> 00:47:46,173
retention PONs are there for a purpose. And they do

761
00:47:46,213 --> 00:47:49,373
function very well. Maybe we expand some of those to

762
00:47:49,373 --> 00:47:52,253
help some of our, you know, there is a, it

763
00:47:52,253 --> 00:47:54,413
won't help every situation, but I think it will, it

764
00:47:54,434 --> 00:47:57,613
will lead to a, uh, a positive effect, especially in

765
00:47:57,653 --> 00:47:59,133
some of our trouble areas. If we could combine some

766
00:47:59,133 --> 00:48:02,813
of those, um, and suggest that to the engineering firm,

767
00:48:02,813 --> 00:48:05,773
that would be great. And one of the questions Mayor

768
00:48:05,773 --> 00:48:09,693
Eason, if I may, to David, uh, David Graham, with

769
00:48:09,693 --> 00:48:13,773
our infiltration and INI program, which has gone extremely well

770
00:48:14,194 --> 00:48:17,373
in other municipalities are copying, um, I can't help but

771
00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:19,613
think some areas would have been worse off than they

772
00:48:19,653 --> 00:48:23,933
were. Um, does it help? We've talked about advocating at

773
00:48:23,954 --> 00:48:28,213
AMO. Does that, uh, our program? Does that help us

774
00:48:28,434 --> 00:48:31,373
or hinder us if we were to ask for money,

775
00:48:31,373 --> 00:48:35,373
um, through infrastructure rehab program or something like that. Trying

776
00:48:35,373 --> 00:48:37,533
to think of another way, another way to the money.

777
00:48:38,178 --> 00:48:43,906
Um, the work, do you think, director Graham. Director Graham.

778
00:48:45,683 --> 00:48:48,382
Three, Madam Mayor to the Councillor. Uh, I think that's

779
00:48:48,563 --> 00:48:52,302
a great idea. Um, I think what it demonstrate that

780
00:48:52,483 --> 00:48:55,022
we're doing what we can. We're trying to be proactive

781
00:48:55,843 --> 00:49:01,782
in mitigating flooding with our, uh, INI reduction program. I

782
00:49:01,782 --> 00:49:04,702
think council has done a lot of good work with

783
00:49:04,883 --> 00:49:08,301
investing in that. Um, I know when we do our

784
00:49:08,341 --> 00:49:11,581
modelling assessment of the storm, the flooding would have been

785
00:49:11,621 --> 00:49:14,701
a lot worse if we wouldn't have done the INI

786
00:49:14,741 --> 00:49:17,421
work that we've been doing over the last, uh, number

787
00:49:17,461 --> 00:49:20,781
of years to help remove excess flow from the sewers.

788
00:49:20,781 --> 00:49:23,741
So I think that's important to note. But, um, yeah,

789
00:49:23,741 --> 00:49:25,961
I think it would be viewed councillor as, you know,

790
00:49:26,082 --> 00:49:30,758
we're doing what we can to help. When you're making

791
00:49:30,798 --> 00:49:37,940
that ask. Thank you, Director Graham. And. I think in

792
00:49:37,980 --> 00:49:40,180
our messaging too as well, I think some people misunderstand

793
00:49:40,761 --> 00:49:44,660
that backup situation. We talk about infiltration, but I don't

794
00:49:44,660 --> 00:49:46,980
think they put two and two together. That stormwater is

795
00:49:47,081 --> 00:49:49,540
in our sanitary sewage. That's why that happens. It's not

796
00:49:49,721 --> 00:49:52,340
everybody uses the washroom more. Right. Like there's, there's a,

797
00:49:52,340 --> 00:49:54,980
there's a reason why. And that's, that helps. There's lots

798
00:49:55,001 --> 00:49:57,380
of reasons why that happens. It shouldn't be. There should

799
00:49:57,380 --> 00:49:59,780
be zero issues with your standard territory sewer when the

800
00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:01,940
reigning, right? It just doesn't, that's not the way things

801
00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:04,020
work. But I think in our messaging somehow we could

802
00:50:04,020 --> 00:50:06,500
get creative and kind of encourage people not to put

803
00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:08,540
some pumps in the sanitary sewer and those kind of

804
00:50:08,540 --> 00:50:12,020
things. Like that's all those add up. Right. So downspouts,

805
00:50:12,020 --> 00:50:14,100
all that kind of stuff. So thank you very much,

806
00:50:14,121 --> 00:50:21,605
Marrison. P Councillor and Deputy Mayor, and Councillor Timmer is

807
00:50:21,626 --> 00:50:25,288
your next. Thank you very much, Maryston. So when you're

808
00:50:25,328 --> 00:50:26,888
at the bottom of the queue, most of my questions

809
00:50:26,928 --> 00:50:30,488
have been answered. And, um, I'm, I'm really happy that

810
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:33,288
we're having this discussion because there was a lot of

811
00:50:33,629 --> 00:50:35,828
misinformation. And I think we're kind of clearing a lot

812
00:50:35,828 --> 00:50:40,968
of that up here tonight. And, um, the, um, the

813
00:50:40,968 --> 00:50:43,848
points of Tolman Drive being added to the priority list

814
00:50:43,888 --> 00:50:47,448
for 2027 budget is, is really a good thing. That's

815
00:50:47,448 --> 00:50:50,888
coming out of a terrible situation. Um, you know, I

816
00:50:50,909 --> 00:50:52,888
had family and friends as well that were affected by

817
00:50:52,909 --> 00:50:57,128
the flooding. It's, it's one of those things that we

818
00:50:57,149 --> 00:51:00,808
didn't predict. And, um, hopefully through the review, we'll learn

819
00:51:01,949 --> 00:51:04,968
if the areas that we can correct. And we can,

820
00:51:04,968 --> 00:51:08,248
um, make some changes moving forward. Um, I think communication

821
00:51:08,429 --> 00:51:10,968
is key though. And I think it's been a very

822
00:51:10,968 --> 00:51:14,328
good discussion tonight. So I don't have any further questions.

823
00:51:14,328 --> 00:51:16,728
Uh, AMO, the delegation of AMO makes a lot of

824
00:51:16,768 --> 00:51:21,608
sense. Perhaps the kind of disaster relief funding available that

825
00:51:21,648 --> 00:51:24,068
we could apply for. I'm not sure on that. But

826
00:51:24,189 --> 00:51:27,688
I'll leave that up to our staff. And, uh, that's

827
00:51:27,688 --> 00:51:29,928
it. That's my comments for tonight. Thank you, Mayor Easton.

828
00:51:30,888 --> 00:51:33,747
Thank you very much. Thank you, Councillor Timmers. And Councillor

829
00:51:33,787 --> 00:51:37,327
Russell and Councillor Patriva. I'm looking for a unique, not

830
00:51:37,327 --> 00:51:40,787
never heard before this evening. And, uh, one shot each.

831
00:51:41,603 --> 00:51:46,142
Okay. Go ahead, Councillor Russell. Pressure's on. Thanks, Madam Mayor.

832
00:51:46,163 --> 00:51:50,222
Three of you to staff. Again, kind of touching on

833
00:51:50,323 --> 00:51:53,162
what Councillor Pachiriva and Council Bernet had mentioned earlier, but

834
00:51:53,162 --> 00:51:55,342
not to the same degree. Um, there are a number

835
00:51:55,342 --> 00:51:58,702
of hotspots that we are well known throughout the Town

836
00:51:58,723 --> 00:52:02,222
Town of the Drive. Golden Horseshoe estates, um, again, some

837
00:52:02,222 --> 00:52:03,822
of the areas along John, some of the areas along

838
00:52:03,923 --> 00:52:06,942
Green Lane along both creeks. Is there a way to

839
00:52:07,203 --> 00:52:11,182
prioritize, um, some of the staff work to make sure

840
00:52:11,203 --> 00:52:14,062
that, again, the ditching, things that we can take care

841
00:52:14,062 --> 00:52:17,982
of ourselves without any external funding, or acetical contractors, that

842
00:52:17,982 --> 00:52:20,762
we can prioritize that in the next little while, um,

843
00:52:20,963 --> 00:52:23,822
again, if it's ditching, if it's creek maintenance and removing

844
00:52:23,843 --> 00:52:26,862
trees, uh, some of that debris, I know director graham

845
00:52:26,902 --> 00:52:29,662
has already done that again on again a number of

846
00:52:29,662 --> 00:52:31,582
occasions that we've reached out. But is there something that

847
00:52:31,582 --> 00:52:33,742
we could do on a more grand scale to try

848
00:52:33,843 --> 00:52:36,862
to make sure and mitigate this as much as possible?

849
00:52:36,862 --> 00:52:41,662
Or is there any service in, again, requesting additional funds

850
00:52:41,683 --> 00:52:44,622
for external contractors to come in and start doing some

851
00:52:44,622 --> 00:52:49,342
of that ditching along some of those either North Sorth

852
00:52:49,603 --> 00:52:52,122
corridors where we are getting a lot of funneling, um,

853
00:52:52,163 --> 00:52:53,742
and at some of the pinch points where we are

854
00:52:53,742 --> 00:52:56,702
seeing some of that overland pooling. Is there any, any

855
00:52:56,803 --> 00:52:59,342
thoughts to that whether or not we should focus or

856
00:52:59,342 --> 00:53:02,636
prioritize that. Go ahead, Mr. C. Dale. The amount of

857
00:53:02,636 --> 00:53:05,736
mayor to the councillor. Councillor, I think you're, you know,

858
00:53:06,897 --> 00:53:09,676
in a lot of ways echoing the conversation, uh, Dave

859
00:53:09,697 --> 00:53:12,716
Frank Buffalino and I had earlier today. We are prioritizing

860
00:53:12,737 --> 00:53:14,956
those areas now in light of just the most recent

861
00:53:15,697 --> 00:53:17,996
flood watch that we received. There are things that we're

862
00:53:17,996 --> 00:53:20,396
going to be doing. I see Dave nodding. And so

863
00:53:20,497 --> 00:53:22,556
I would suggest to you, um, we're going to be

864
00:53:22,596 --> 00:53:26,956
prioritizing those areas. And I think looking at, um, putting

865
00:53:26,996 --> 00:53:29,176
our resources where they need to be right now, uh,

866
00:53:29,176 --> 00:53:31,036
for the foreseeable future till we can get some of

867
00:53:31,036 --> 00:53:33,408
this work done. Okay. And just one quick follow up.

868
00:53:33,408 --> 00:53:34,928
Is that something we can do in - house or

869
00:53:34,928 --> 00:53:38,666
do we need any external assistance. Through you, Madam Mayor,

870
00:53:38,666 --> 00:53:40,346
to the Councillor. I see Dave nodding. I think most

871
00:53:40,346 --> 00:53:41,706
of it can be done in - house if we

872
00:53:41,706 --> 00:53:44,906
do. We'll be sure to update Council and probably go

873
00:53:44,946 --> 00:53:47,466
out and seek those external resources or go to some

874
00:53:47,506 --> 00:53:50,586
more municipal partners. But I'm comfortable to say I think

875
00:53:50,586 --> 00:53:52,106
we can do most of that in - house. Okay.

876
00:53:52,146 --> 00:53:56,346
Thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Councillor Pachiriva, go ahead,

877
00:53:56,346 --> 00:53:59,446
please. Thank you, worship. And, um, you know, I was

878
00:53:59,487 --> 00:54:04,586
perusing the, um, the ammo program. And lo and behold,

879
00:54:05,247 --> 00:54:11,946
on Sunday at one o'clock, uh, ministry of the environment,

880
00:54:11,946 --> 00:54:17,666
practicing leadership in a flooding, a municipal exercise workshop. So

881
00:54:18,047 --> 00:54:20,986
in a realistic flooding exercise and workshop municipal leaders and

882
00:54:20,986 --> 00:54:25,466
staff will navigate escalating impacts on critical infrastructure, public safety,

883
00:54:25,466 --> 00:54:29,146
municipal services and community recovery while working through the decisions

884
00:54:29,407 --> 00:54:33,786
leader's face during a flooding event. Participants will experience how

885
00:54:33,786 --> 00:54:39,066
municipal exercise is encouraged discussing mutual aid, prioritizing resources and

886
00:54:39,066 --> 00:54:43,146
collaborating with provincial and community partners, participants will also get

887
00:54:43,186 --> 00:54:46,666
hands - on experience working with the provincial supports available

888
00:54:46,687 --> 00:54:51,306
to municipalities before, during, and after an emergency. So I

889
00:54:51,306 --> 00:54:56,906
think that if, um, if director Deanny can arrange that,

890
00:54:56,906 --> 00:55:00,906
um, session for us, the, I'm drawing a blank on

891
00:55:00,946 --> 00:55:04,913
what we call them. Delegation. Delegation, thank you, Anna. Uh,

892
00:55:06,374 --> 00:55:11,473
Councillor Murray, that it's, it's, you know what, it's right

893
00:55:11,473 --> 00:55:14,626
there. It's set on a T for us. So. Let's

894
00:55:14,647 --> 00:55:17,106
make it happen. And I plan to get there to

895
00:55:17,127 --> 00:55:20,950
attend this. So I'll take copious notes. Very good. Thank

896
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:23,510
you, your worship. Thank you very much. Did you have

897
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:25,830
anything more to say? I know through you, Madame Mayor.

898
00:55:25,830 --> 00:55:27,630
I just know Paul's making notes. So I think he

899
00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:30,230
heard the Councillor Loud and Claire. Very good. I'm glad

900
00:55:30,331 --> 00:55:36,183
everybody's on the ball here. So, um, interesting. I have

901
00:55:36,183 --> 00:55:41,583
a couple of comments. Besides some possible, um, input from

902
00:55:42,004 --> 00:55:45,743
NPCA. Although I'm sure the staff have already been talking

903
00:55:45,844 --> 00:55:50,303
with them. But the, um, I'll be very interested to

904
00:55:50,303 --> 00:55:55,423
know whether or not the emergency team at the ministry

905
00:55:55,924 --> 00:55:59,863
that it's really, I think it's a year and a

906
00:55:59,863 --> 00:56:02,303
half or, I don't think it's quite two years old.

907
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,179
So I don't know what the state of all their

908
00:56:06,219 --> 00:56:11,699
policies is. Councillor Pechiriva, you brought this up. So we,

909
00:56:11,699 --> 00:56:17,379
um, we could speak with Kathy McGrath about that. And,

910
00:56:17,379 --> 00:56:22,099
um, if there's, um, if there's an opportunity for us

911
00:56:22,099 --> 00:56:24,959
to have a side meeting, not necessarily a delegation, but

912
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,739
a side meeting with one of the key staffers from

913
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:38,287
that ministry that might be helpful as well. Yeah. I'm

914
00:56:38,327 --> 00:56:40,607
happy to hear the comments about the I and I

915
00:56:40,647 --> 00:56:43,947
reduction because we've spent a great deal on that. But

916
00:56:43,947 --> 00:56:47,247
once again, it comes back to communication. How well do

917
00:56:47,287 --> 00:56:49,247
people understand it? It kind of makes your shake your

918
00:56:49,247 --> 00:56:54,047
head when the roof leaders going into the sewers. And

919
00:56:54,047 --> 00:56:56,927
then you end up at the backup. So that's, that's

920
00:56:56,927 --> 00:57:00,287
a little bit of a mystery. But again, this is

921
00:57:00,388 --> 00:57:03,087
new. There's a lot of things about this that are

922
00:57:03,348 --> 00:57:05,867
new. This was a great discussion. Thank you, Councillors, for

923
00:57:05,867 --> 00:57:10,927
bringing forward all of your suggestions ideas. And, uh, further

924
00:57:11,668 --> 00:57:16,127
and detailed discussions about what was actually going on during

925
00:57:16,148 --> 00:57:21,570
the night of the 21st. All right. We'll move on

926
00:57:21,751 --> 00:57:25,610
now to number eight, which is announcements by members. We

927
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:27,810
seem to have been doing an awful lot of attending

928
00:57:27,831 --> 00:57:31,650
of this that. And the other thing you are limited

929
00:57:31,690 --> 00:57:36,130
to three items. And let's start the queue.

930
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:48,309
Okay. I don't see anything. Oh, we do. Councillor Mickelo,

931
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:50,449
go ahead. Thank you very much. I thought it was

932
00:57:50,570 --> 00:57:54,069
worthy noting that, uh, we attended several members of council

933
00:57:54,330 --> 00:57:58,789
attended the, uh, the designation of the old oak tree

934
00:57:59,290 --> 00:58:03,829
and Victoria Avenue celebrating the, um, anniversary of the old

935
00:58:03,850 --> 00:58:11,242
oak barn. Yeah. 400 year old tree. I never thought

936
00:58:11,343 --> 00:58:15,802
we would dedicate her. I never thought we designate a

937
00:58:15,903 --> 00:58:20,442
tree, you know, as a, as a, as a municipal

938
00:58:20,482 --> 00:58:22,842
leader, but, uh, it was a, it was a well

939
00:58:22,863 --> 00:58:27,562
attended celebration. I thought, uh, everyone did an excellent job.

940
00:58:27,583 --> 00:58:30,762
There's cupcakes for everyone while we were at it. It

941
00:58:30,802 --> 00:58:33,482
was, uh, it was a beautiful day. So I just,

942
00:58:33,482 --> 00:58:35,482
uh, wanted to make sure that that didn't skate through

943
00:58:35,983 --> 00:58:43,372
without a comment. Quite right Council Brunet. Thank you, Madam

944
00:58:43,372 --> 00:58:47,052
Mayor. Very quickly, um, I was pleased to, uh, to

945
00:58:47,092 --> 00:58:51,372
travel down to the Niagara Parks power plant last Thursday,

946
00:58:51,372 --> 00:58:55,212
July 23rd as a board member for NAGA Peninsula Energy.

947
00:58:55,212 --> 00:58:58,252
Uh, there was a funding announcement that, um, staff had

948
00:58:58,252 --> 00:59:01,292
been working on this application for probably 18 to 24

949
00:59:01,332 --> 00:59:05,532
months. And, uh, we were successful in receiving 2. 7

950
00:59:05,553 --> 00:59:09,852
million dollars to support the modernization of our electrical distribution

951
00:59:10,113 --> 00:59:15,535
system across Niagara. Why is this important? Well, we've been

952
00:59:15,535 --> 00:59:19,135
having a lot of power outages. And there has been

953
00:59:19,135 --> 00:59:23,275
a lot of discussion about, um, Niagara Penitential Energies, um,

954
00:59:23,876 --> 00:59:27,909
investment. Um, Councillor Timmers and I both sit on the

955
00:59:27,909 --> 00:59:31,429
board. We've been along with you, Madam Mayor recently up

956
00:59:31,469 --> 00:59:36,069
to the Spring Creek Transformer station where they're investing 38

957
00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:39,589
million dollars up there to ensure that, uh, we meet

958
00:59:39,629 --> 00:59:44,309
the requirements for power. Uh, this doesn't, um, this doesn't

959
00:59:44,349 --> 00:59:48,529
mean that we're not taking these power outages seriously. Uh,

960
00:59:48,529 --> 00:59:51,989
we are, because the businesses and there are residents that

961
00:59:52,090 --> 00:59:55,349
have been impacted by the outages that have been occurring.

962
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:58,389
And as we talk about flooding, uh, power outages seem

963
00:59:58,389 --> 01:00:00,789
to be happening on more frequent basis as well. So

964
01:00:01,210 --> 01:00:03,269
I thought it was important to, uh, to point out

965
01:00:03,290 --> 01:00:06,709
that, uh, we were successful in receiving 2. 7 million

966
01:00:06,890 --> 01:00:11,829
dollars from the federal government, um, MP Chris Biddle was

967
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:15,969
on hand to bring information from, uh, from that, uh,

968
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:20,789
that funding stream, uh, and Niger Penitential Energy is contributing

969
01:00:21,130 --> 01:00:28,069
an additional 3. 5 million dollar. So thank you, Madam

970
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:31,269
Mayor. Thank you very much. And, uh, that's a very

971
01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:37,669
important. Very important comment, uh, very important area that more

972
01:00:37,669 --> 01:00:44,842
and more people are talking about Councillor Timurs. There we

973
01:00:44,842 --> 01:00:47,242
go. Thank you, Marison. Um, I just wanted to add

974
01:00:47,242 --> 01:00:51,302
a little bit, um, about the grand oak tree. You

975
01:00:51,302 --> 01:00:53,302
know, I've been on the heritage committee since I was

976
01:00:53,343 --> 01:00:56,602
elected to council and Councillor Brenier sits on that with

977
01:00:56,703 --> 01:01:00,682
me as well. And for about 10 years, I think

978
01:01:00,703 --> 01:01:03,482
people got tired of me talking about the grand oak

979
01:01:03,522 --> 01:01:07,322
tree. And we finally were able to designate that tree.

980
01:01:07,322 --> 01:01:09,482
And I just wanted to make the comment that it's

981
01:01:09,522 --> 01:01:12,042
the first tree in the town of Lincoln to be

982
01:01:12,082 --> 01:01:16,762
designated. So it's pretty special. And, um, it's designated through

983
01:01:16,762 --> 01:01:21,802
the Ontario heritage act. So it will always be protected.

984
01:01:21,802 --> 01:01:23,882
And the history and the beauty of that tree is

985
01:01:24,143 --> 01:01:28,202
just phenomenal. So if there hasn't seen the grand oak,

986
01:01:28,202 --> 01:01:29,642
you definitely need to go down there and take a

987
01:01:29,642 --> 01:01:32,842
picture of it. But I was so unhappy that I

988
01:01:32,882 --> 01:01:35,882
had to miss it. I was travelling at that time.

989
01:01:35,882 --> 01:01:38,282
So I missed it after 10 years. And I want

990
01:01:38,282 --> 01:01:42,602
to thank Monica Colquier, our staff who really, um, did

991
01:01:42,602 --> 01:01:45,402
a lot of the heavy lifting and helped to make

992
01:01:45,983 --> 01:01:48,842
this happen. So anyway, thank you for allowing me to

993
01:01:48,842 --> 01:01:54,287
make those comments, Mary soon. Thank you very much. Now

994
01:01:55,828 --> 01:01:58,047
we move on to item number nine, and that is

995
01:01:58,948 --> 01:02:05,152
proclamations. We have no proclamations this evening. Idem 10 is

996
01:02:05,152 --> 01:02:09,792
recognition and achievements. And our first item for recognition and

997
01:02:09,832 --> 01:02:14,272
achievements is the recognition of the Town of Lincoln sponsorship

998
01:02:14,293 --> 01:02:19,232
of the Lincoln Soapox Derby. And we have Gourd Gary,

999
01:02:19,232 --> 01:02:24,192
Lion Gorry, Lion Kenseuthward in attendance. Gentlemen, please come forward.

1000
01:02:24,192 --> 01:02:26,432
If you have a few words that you'd like to

1001
01:02:26,432 --> 01:02:36,079
say. Thank you, your

1002
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:40,719
worship. Members of Council, Administration. Uh, our presentation is going

1003
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,319
to be much shorter than it has been in the

1004
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:45,039
past. As you know, your worship, it's been about two

1005
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:50,239
and a half hours. Each presentation previously. Anyway, um. I

1006
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:52,799
think there was some wine involved in it, too. Could

1007
01:02:52,799 --> 01:02:56,399
have been, could have been. Um, we, uh, we want

1008
01:02:56,399 --> 01:03:01,119
to thank the Town of Lincoln for its participation with

1009
01:03:01,540 --> 01:03:04,559
the soapbox Derby. This is our, um, this was our

1010
01:03:04,900 --> 01:03:06,799
ninth year this year. We had a couple of years

1011
01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:12,639
out with COVID, of course. It went off splendidly well

1012
01:03:12,660 --> 01:03:17,199
this year. We had no accents whatsoever. We added one,

1013
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:22,854
one element this year. Uh, to the Derby. And that

1014
01:03:22,854 --> 01:03:25,494
is a PIT crew and racer day. And we do

1015
01:03:25,494 --> 01:03:29,014
that two weeks prior to the soapbox Derby. On PIT

1016
01:03:29,014 --> 01:03:30,774
crew and racer day, we tear all of the cars

1017
01:03:30,795 --> 01:03:33,014
down. We make sure all of the steering linkages are

1018
01:03:33,035 --> 01:03:35,494
correct. We make sure that the, uh, the brakes are

1019
01:03:35,515 --> 01:03:38,134
working. That the pads are, are there. We seem to

1020
01:03:38,174 --> 01:03:41,654
be going through many more brake pads now than we

1021
01:03:41,675 --> 01:03:43,574
ever did in the past. And the reason for that

1022
01:03:43,595 --> 01:03:48,614
is really simple. We seem to have much smaller children.

1023
01:03:48,614 --> 01:03:50,774
And as you know, we wait the cars up so

1024
01:03:50,814 --> 01:03:54,614
that they are 200 pounds. The car, the driver and

1025
01:03:54,614 --> 01:03:57,974
additional weights. We have made the decision that we're going

1026
01:03:57,974 --> 01:04:01,974
to bring that back to 175 pounds, uh, this coming

1027
01:04:02,014 --> 01:04:04,934
year. Simply so that we don't have to add so

1028
01:04:04,934 --> 01:04:07,494
many weights and it'll keep the brake pads a little

1029
01:04:07,494 --> 01:04:10,134
bit longer. We can get through an entire Derby day

1030
01:04:10,174 --> 01:04:13,734
with the, uh, with the brake pads intact. So with

1031
01:04:13,774 --> 01:04:19,334
that, just a couple of things. I said that the

1032
01:04:19,595 --> 01:04:23,334
Derby went off splendidly well. One of the things for

1033
01:04:23,355 --> 01:04:26,854
me that was the greatest aspect of the Derby this

1034
01:04:26,854 --> 01:04:29,814
year is that I had my partner in the, in

1035
01:04:29,854 --> 01:04:33,894
the Derby in full functioning mode this year. Um, most

1036
01:04:33,934 --> 01:04:38,534
of you or many of you will recognise that Ken

1037
01:04:38,574 --> 01:04:42,274
was suffering from Guy and Bari syndrome last year. And

1038
01:04:42,274 --> 01:04:44,934
if you don't know what that is, take a look.

1039
01:04:44,934 --> 01:04:48,774
It's debilitating. He's way ahead of schedule. And I'm, I'm

1040
01:04:48,814 --> 01:04:53,814
so very thankful for that. Can starts the, uh, the

1041
01:04:53,835 --> 01:04:58,534
races. We have a new announcer on that now. He's

1042
01:04:58,534 --> 01:05:01,734
a police officer. So that kind of keeps everything sorted

1043
01:05:01,734 --> 01:05:06,294
out. And, um, and Evan does, or Kevin does a

1044
01:05:06,395 --> 01:05:10,214
tremendous job with that. Um, Ken's wife, Jennifer, my wife

1045
01:05:10,475 --> 01:05:15,894
Colleen, uh, do the, uh, the scoring for every race.

1046
01:05:15,894 --> 01:05:23,116
And to give you an idea of how. Tightly contested

1047
01:05:24,257 --> 01:05:30,706
the soapbox Derby is. The difference between. Number one racer

1048
01:05:30,967 --> 01:05:34,706
and number two racer, Ken, this year was just about

1049
01:05:34,706 --> 01:05:40,402
one third of a second. On two heats, one third

1050
01:05:40,442 --> 01:05:43,742
of a second on two heats. So they, they, uh,

1051
01:05:44,023 --> 01:05:47,042
the kids, um, they're into it. There's no question about

1052
01:05:47,063 --> 01:05:50,082
that. We'd like to see every member of Council at

1053
01:05:50,122 --> 01:05:52,082
the Derby. We had, uh, we had four members of

1054
01:05:52,343 --> 01:05:55,682
council. Your worship, you were excused this year, of course.

1055
01:05:55,682 --> 01:05:57,922
You had that tree come through the roof and all

1056
01:05:57,922 --> 01:06:00,482
that good stuff. Uh, we'd like to see some administrative

1057
01:06:00,482 --> 01:06:05,042
people there too. And, um, and, uh, those of you

1058
01:06:05,223 --> 01:06:07,442
in the gallery, come take a look at the soapbox

1059
01:06:07,482 --> 01:06:09,955
Derby. It's a whole bunch of fun. Right, Tony? So

1060
01:06:10,376 --> 01:06:13,715
with that, we have, uh, we have some presentation that

1061
01:06:13,715 --> 01:06:16,675
we would like to make. And we have some gifts.

1062
01:06:16,675 --> 01:06:20,275
So your worship, if you would come forward for just

1063
01:06:20,275 --> 01:06:25,976
a moment, that's that one there. Yeah. That's the wine.

1064
01:06:32,395 --> 01:06:37,783
Get a hand. On this. So. Here, do you put

1065
01:06:37,884 --> 01:06:45,304
the. Photographer here. So on behalf of the Lincoln Soapox

1066
01:06:45,405 --> 01:06:48,024
Sturm Association, we want to thank you for your dedication

1067
01:06:48,285 --> 01:06:52,184
and support to the soapbox Derby the last, uh, since

1068
01:06:52,184 --> 01:06:55,224
the beginning. And we look forward to the town being

1069
01:06:55,805 --> 01:06:58,984
our title sponsored in the future as well. Thank you

1070
01:06:58,984 --> 01:07:08,050
very much. And we have a souvenir t - shirt

1071
01:07:08,071 --> 01:07:15,821
for you. Thank. You. Guaranteed to fit. Maybe. And we

1072
01:07:15,922 --> 01:07:18,221
have a, uh, we have a t - shirt for

1073
01:07:18,722 --> 01:07:21,421
all members of council as well. They all the same

1074
01:07:21,461 --> 01:07:31,296
size? No, perfect. They're all sized accordingly, I think. Thank

1075
01:07:31,296 --> 01:07:34,343
you all. Thanks very. Much.

1076
01:08:34,934 --> 01:08:37,553
I can't tell you. I mean, many people in this

1077
01:08:37,574 --> 01:08:42,273
room have volunteered for many, many, um, special events over

1078
01:08:42,313 --> 01:08:43,953
the years. So you know how much work it is.

1079
01:08:44,768 --> 01:08:47,507
To start something from the ground up. And let me

1080
01:08:47,507 --> 01:08:51,387
tell you, they've done a great job. So it's a

1081
01:08:51,387 --> 01:08:56,267
wonderful opportunity for youth. And, um, they do have some

1082
01:08:56,288 --> 01:09:00,567
big racers. And the first couple of years, Ken and

1083
01:09:00,567 --> 01:09:04,107
I can I, but, uh, Gordon, I used to race

1084
01:09:04,107 --> 01:09:06,407
each other, but I swear he let me win. But

1085
01:09:06,407 --> 01:09:08,827
it was kind of fun. I'd never done anything like

1086
01:09:08,867 --> 01:09:16,509
that before. Okay. Um. Thank you very much, Deputy Mayor.

1087
01:09:18,659 --> 01:09:22,158
The next item on the agenda is the Mayor's Metal

1088
01:09:22,198 --> 01:09:27,367
Recipients. And, um, we have, um. We have, we're doing

1089
01:09:27,367 --> 01:09:30,247
these in a number of different ways. Tonight, we actually

1090
01:09:30,428 --> 01:09:33,847
have, um, the garden club here, represented it from the

1091
01:09:34,028 --> 01:09:37,956
garden club, Lincoln Garden Club. But we also will be

1092
01:09:37,956 --> 01:09:42,996
going out and visiting people where they work and visiting

1093
01:09:43,036 --> 01:09:49,316
people, um, on their farms, uh, to recognise the contributions

1094
01:09:49,356 --> 01:09:52,676
that they make to our community. So not everybody's coming

1095
01:09:52,697 --> 01:09:58,862
into the chambers. However, tonight we have Angela Collixto from

1096
01:09:59,123 --> 01:10:03,022
the, uh, Lincoln Garden Club in attendance to receive this

1097
01:10:03,763 --> 01:10:07,654
award on behalf of the garden club. The Lincoln Garden

1098
01:10:07,654 --> 01:10:12,054
Club is a registered nonprofit organisation and there are part

1099
01:10:12,054 --> 01:10:17,452
of district nine of the Ontario horticultural association. They've been

1100
01:10:17,793 --> 01:10:21,932
in town since the 1990s, the early 90s. And even

1101
01:10:21,932 --> 01:10:26,092
though they shy from standing in the spotlight, they've been

1102
01:10:26,132 --> 01:10:29,692
keeping the tome beautiful for many years as well as

1103
01:10:29,732 --> 01:10:33,262
inspiring new generations of gardeners. The club has made up

1104
01:10:33,283 --> 01:10:38,142
of passionate gardeners, very knowledgeable people and volunteers who care

1105
01:10:38,182 --> 01:10:41,902
about the community and they provide educational opportunities for young

1106
01:10:41,902 --> 01:10:47,902
people. And they selectively choose spots around the town that

1107
01:10:47,942 --> 01:10:53,949
they beautify. The club sponsors scholarships at Niger College and

1108
01:10:53,989 --> 01:10:58,509
the Niger Park School of Horticulture. And in 1992, they

1109
01:10:58,690 --> 01:11:04,870
donated. A greenhouse to the Beamsville District Secondary School and

1110
01:11:04,870 --> 01:11:10,212
sponsored a scholarship for horticultural student each year. They donate

1111
01:11:10,393 --> 01:11:13,732
plants left over from an annual plant sale, which is

1112
01:11:13,772 --> 01:11:16,932
held each May. Now just imagine what it must be

1113
01:11:16,972 --> 01:11:20,212
like to be a small group of people who do

1114
01:11:20,393 --> 01:11:24,492
things like donating a greenhouse. How would you do that?

1115
01:11:24,913 --> 01:11:27,452
This is not a small thing. And it is so

1116
01:11:27,492 --> 01:11:32,092
important to our community, which is so embedded in agriculture.

1117
01:11:33,117 --> 01:11:37,816
And to sponsor a scholarship really remarkable initiatives and quite

1118
01:11:37,816 --> 01:11:43,253
dedicated community members for sure. They have planted and maintained

1119
01:11:43,274 --> 01:11:48,939
gardens across the area. Including balls falls conservation centre, as

1120
01:11:48,939 --> 01:11:53,020
well as here at Town Hall. They also maintain a

1121
01:11:53,060 --> 01:11:56,940
garden at the experimental farm on the Vineline Research Innovation

1122
01:11:56,980 --> 01:12:01,126
Centre site. And we're instrumental in the Millennium Forest Project

1123
01:12:01,467 --> 01:12:05,677
at that site. They are also a valued partner with

1124
01:12:05,717 --> 01:12:08,397
the Town of Lincoln for the Lincoln and Bloom Garden

1125
01:12:08,578 --> 01:12:13,083
Recognition Program. Angela, it's so great to have you here

1126
01:12:13,104 --> 01:12:15,163
with us tonight. If you would come forward.

1127
01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:40,843
Just go. Right in here. I actually just want to

1128
01:12:40,883 --> 01:12:46,683
thank the Town Blincon for the recognition that we're getting

1129
01:12:47,264 --> 01:12:49,803
tonight. And that I'm speaking for on behalf of the

1130
01:12:49,904 --> 01:12:53,563
Lincoln Garden Club, an horticultural society. And I also want

1131
01:12:53,603 --> 01:12:56,523
to thank the ton of Lincoln for being one of

1132
01:12:56,523 --> 01:13:00,282
our partners in crime. Uh, for the projects that we

1133
01:13:00,282 --> 01:13:04,442
have undertaken. I would like to invite all of you

1134
01:13:04,943 --> 01:13:08,762
to see the Millennium Forest, which is one of our,

1135
01:13:08,762 --> 01:13:14,202
um, flagship projects. And unlike the other speaker, you have

1136
01:13:14,303 --> 01:13:17,242
to wait until the next soap Derby. This time you

1137
01:13:17,242 --> 01:13:19,722
can just go to the Millennium Forest anytime you want

1138
01:13:21,263 --> 01:13:27,402
and enjoy the 135 or 137 trees now, uh, and

1139
01:13:27,442 --> 01:13:30,282
I think there are no two or probably the only

1140
01:13:30,282 --> 01:13:35,482
two trees that have, uh, you know, in other words,

1141
01:13:35,522 --> 01:13:38,202
what I'm saying is there are no two trees available

1142
01:13:39,503 --> 01:13:42,682
that are the same in the forest except for probably

1143
01:13:42,943 --> 01:13:47,322
a couple, uh, but having said that, thank you again.

1144
01:13:47,322 --> 01:13:50,202
And I'm delighted to receive this and it will filter

1145
01:13:50,202 --> 01:13:52,146
down to our members. PONO POUTONO.

1146
01:15:09,380 --> 01:15:11,999
Is just reminding me that they don't just plant flowers

1147
01:15:12,420 --> 01:15:15,279
and select and plan gardens, which they did here all

1148
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:19,199
across the front of the town hall. But they also

1149
01:15:19,460 --> 01:15:24,506
designed the signage that went up. Because they, um, they

1150
01:15:24,687 --> 01:15:27,386
wanted to make sure that as time went by, that

1151
01:15:27,386 --> 01:15:30,761
people understood how these things were dealt with. Can I

1152
01:15:30,761 --> 01:15:33,554
just add. One sometime for not to say. That the.

1153
01:15:33,733 --> 01:15:43,512
Town. Going. On right now. And everyone

1154
01:15:43,533 --> 01:15:48,952
is invited to send pictures. To the town you're entitled

1155
01:15:48,992 --> 01:15:52,303
to send at least 10 per person. And at the

1156
01:15:52,303 --> 01:15:55,823
end of the program or the event, like maybe around

1157
01:15:56,564 --> 01:16:00,863
end of August, we will have a random draw for.

1158
01:16:01,063 --> 01:16:07,434
Crisis. And. Everyone that's submitted pictures. Are invited to. A

1159
01:16:07,615 --> 01:16:11,478
town picnic. On climbing. Centre. At the early part. Of

1160
01:16:11,478 --> 01:16:17,669
September. Right? Yeah. So please, please send your pictures. Thank

1161
01:16:17,669 --> 01:16:21,907
you very much. Thank you, Angela. So there you're all

1162
01:16:21,947 --> 01:16:31,020
inspired. Pictures and food. Very good. All right. Um. We'll

1163
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:36,060
move on now to item number 11, which is delegations

1164
01:16:36,081 --> 01:16:40,060
and presentations. And I'd like to invite regional councillor Rob

1165
01:16:40,081 --> 01:16:45,578
Foster to come forward to the podium. And I must

1166
01:16:45,578 --> 01:16:52,058
say that, um, since regional, uh, councillor Foster has been

1167
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:57,018
our regional representative. He has missed very, very, very few

1168
01:16:57,058 --> 01:17:00,658
meetings. He is here at almost every Council meetings. So

1169
01:17:00,658 --> 01:17:03,498
thank you very much for having such a good attendance

1170
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:08,630
record. Rob. Thank you, Mayor Easton. And, uh, so I'll

1171
01:17:08,670 --> 01:17:10,630
put a timer on because I have about a 20

1172
01:17:10,651 --> 01:17:19,245
minute thing tonight. So. First off, just from the earlier

1173
01:17:19,506 --> 01:17:25,885
conversations, I wanted to say on behalf of chair foster,

1174
01:17:25,885 --> 01:17:29,405
um, they were very happy with the heritage committee designating,

1175
01:17:29,405 --> 01:17:32,605
uh, the grand oak as well. Um, I'm very, very

1176
01:17:32,645 --> 01:17:36,925
proud of the fact that my son, um, stepped up,

1177
01:17:36,925 --> 01:17:40,045
um, into that particular role. It really fits well with

1178
01:17:40,066 --> 01:17:43,725
his educational background. And a lot of the work that,

1179
01:17:43,725 --> 01:17:45,965
uh, that he's done for the town and for the

1180
01:17:46,005 --> 01:17:49,165
NPCA in the past. So anyway, that was a great

1181
01:17:49,205 --> 01:17:52,298
event. Um. I want to talk a little bit about,

1182
01:17:52,298 --> 01:17:55,338
um, the discussion around water. Um, that you guys had

1183
01:17:55,338 --> 01:17:58,298
earlier. So, um, I wanted to start with the I

1184
01:17:58,298 --> 01:18:01,418
and I program and, uh, I think, um, you brought

1185
01:18:01,418 --> 01:18:03,978
it up Councillor Reimer. I don't know if you did

1186
01:18:04,018 --> 01:18:09,018
as well. Councillor Patrieva, but the, um, Mayor Easton and

1187
01:18:09,039 --> 01:18:11,578
I, uh, spent a lot of time saving that program

1188
01:18:11,759 --> 01:18:14,218
at the region. Um, that was one of the ones

1189
01:18:14,258 --> 01:18:17,178
that was on the chopping block about a year and

1190
01:18:17,178 --> 01:18:19,958
a half ago as we were going into budget. And

1191
01:18:19,999 --> 01:18:24,378
so ourselves along with the mayor of Fortiri, did a

1192
01:18:24,378 --> 01:18:26,298
lot of work on that to make sure that the

1193
01:18:26,319 --> 01:18:30,138
INI program continued on. And just for the sake of

1194
01:18:30,138 --> 01:18:33,738
the audience, the eye and I program really is taking

1195
01:18:33,759 --> 01:18:37,258
a look at downspouts that are going into the sewer

1196
01:18:37,258 --> 01:18:40,538
systems that shouldn't be going into it. Um, the leakage

1197
01:18:40,538 --> 01:18:43,338
that's going on within all of our programs within the

1198
01:18:43,378 --> 01:18:48,334
thing. And. I give the town of Lincoln full credit

1199
01:18:48,595 --> 01:18:50,894
and I look back to my days on Town Council

1200
01:18:50,894 --> 01:18:53,614
as well for making that a priority to make sure

1201
01:18:53,715 --> 01:18:58,954
that we have a solid water system. The event itself,

1202
01:18:58,954 --> 01:19:03,594
um, I was sitting at home, um, listening to the

1203
01:19:04,095 --> 01:19:09,034
rain literally pounding, um, on the roof. Um, my neighbourhood

1204
01:19:09,074 --> 01:19:12,234
was really quite lucky. Um, we didn't really have much.

1205
01:19:12,234 --> 01:19:14,634
I don't think there was, there was much overture in

1206
01:19:14,655 --> 01:19:19,274
your area too, Adam. But, um, it was interesting because

1207
01:19:19,615 --> 01:19:23,434
everything worked as designed, um, through the back of our

1208
01:19:23,455 --> 01:19:27,674
area, um, so much rain came down, um, the flooding

1209
01:19:27,674 --> 01:19:31,194
came up in the back of my property. But then

1210
01:19:31,295 --> 01:19:34,394
it drained away within like about three hours. So, so

1211
01:19:34,495 --> 01:19:37,274
everything worked in that area the way that it was

1212
01:19:37,295 --> 01:19:41,674
supposed to, which was, which was terrific, um, as I'm

1213
01:19:41,674 --> 01:19:43,834
watching it. And I'm like, oh, okay. Well, sooner or

1214
01:19:43,834 --> 01:19:46,474
later, uh, it may raise my neighbour, a couple of

1215
01:19:46,474 --> 01:19:49,674
neighbours had, uh, water issues in their homes because the

1216
01:19:49,695 --> 01:19:51,994
rain pounded on their homes and ways that had never

1217
01:19:51,994 --> 01:19:55,834
been pounded on before, um, and so they had leakage

1218
01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:59,514
coming through spots that, um, our houses were all built

1219
01:19:59,615 --> 01:20:02,874
in 1988. So there was places that just need to

1220
01:20:02,874 --> 01:20:04,474
repair. So now they're going to have to take a

1221
01:20:04,474 --> 01:20:10,524
look at it with their homes. Um. The day of

1222
01:20:10,785 --> 01:20:14,924
flooding, I was in discussion with regional staff, uh, from

1223
01:20:15,105 --> 01:20:17,804
about an hour and a half after once I realised

1224
01:20:18,225 --> 01:20:21,864
what had been going on with it. Um, and, uh,

1225
01:20:21,864 --> 01:20:25,324
I talked to Phil Lambert down at, uh, the region

1226
01:20:26,225 --> 01:20:32,030
who's responsible for, um, the wastewater management in particular. And

1227
01:20:32,211 --> 01:20:35,630
it was overwhelming. And it wasn't just in beamsville and

1228
01:20:35,630 --> 01:20:38,830
it wasn't just in violin. It was in St. Catharines.

1229
01:20:38,830 --> 01:20:41,950
They had, uh, they had flooding. They had grimsby as

1230
01:20:41,950 --> 01:20:47,390
well. Um, opposite side of the peninsula, by the way,

1231
01:20:47,390 --> 01:20:49,630
there was nothing. There was, there was practically nothing hit

1232
01:20:49,651 --> 01:20:54,990
there. So really bizarre, um, storm to say the least,

1233
01:20:54,990 --> 01:20:56,730
um, as I put this back up so I can

1234
01:20:56,730 --> 01:21:00,907
read it. I didn't know you guys were going to

1235
01:21:00,907 --> 01:21:06,756
talk about this tonight. So sorry. Garbage collection councillors, a

1236
01:21:06,756 --> 01:21:09,476
few of you reached out to me on the garbage

1237
01:21:09,497 --> 01:21:13,296
collection. Um, I got in touch with Mr. Copoulos. Um,

1238
01:21:13,577 --> 01:21:16,836
he was already, um, well down the road with staff

1239
01:21:16,937 --> 01:21:20,036
at the region to, uh, look at doing some extra

1240
01:21:20,137 --> 01:21:23,236
work. Uh, I know there's some disappointment with some people

1241
01:21:23,577 --> 01:21:26,836
in town about, uh, some extra garbage collection not being

1242
01:21:26,876 --> 01:21:31,476
done in their area. But, um, what did get put

1243
01:21:31,577 --> 01:21:34,596
in place is no additional costs that's coming into play

1244
01:21:34,636 --> 01:21:39,476
for us. So I believe staff from the town and

1245
01:21:39,516 --> 01:21:42,116
the region talked about it. And so the worst hit

1246
01:21:42,156 --> 01:21:46,036
areas were the ones that, um, that the extra garbage

1247
01:21:46,057 --> 01:21:49,716
pickup was doing. So, um, so that piece of the

1248
01:21:49,716 --> 01:21:54,974
puzzle. I like some of the comments earlier about, um,

1249
01:21:56,375 --> 01:22:03,874
communication. Both the NPCA, which issued the flood warnings once

1250
01:22:03,874 --> 01:22:08,014
they realised what was going on. Um, and also, um,

1251
01:22:09,415 --> 01:22:12,034
the, uh, the region and the town. I thought the

1252
01:22:12,135 --> 01:22:14,994
town actually was able to get out good communication when

1253
01:22:15,034 --> 01:22:17,954
it was all said and done. Boy, the social media

1254
01:22:18,135 --> 01:22:21,394
stuff that went on that was just false and wrong.

1255
01:22:21,394 --> 01:22:24,274
So, um, for goodness sakes, if you're going to be

1256
01:22:24,274 --> 01:22:27,474
going and trying to figure out what's happening, be very

1257
01:22:27,575 --> 01:22:31,554
cautious of where you're getting information from, uh, particularly social

1258
01:22:31,594 --> 01:22:36,274
media. Conjecture is not fact. So, um, I think we

1259
01:22:36,314 --> 01:22:41,254
should keep that in mind. PONO. Just the last thing

1260
01:22:41,294 --> 01:22:44,374
on this for you. So the NPCA Mary Easton brought

1261
01:22:44,395 --> 01:22:48,295
it up. So. We all have to remind ourselves a

1262
01:22:48,295 --> 01:22:51,575
little bit. The province of Ontario has made significant changes

1263
01:22:51,575 --> 01:22:56,774
to the way planning works. Um, and most of the

1264
01:22:56,975 --> 01:22:59,434
onus on planning has come back onto the shoulders of

1265
01:22:59,855 --> 01:23:03,674
lower area municipalities. We saw that happen. The region is

1266
01:23:03,714 --> 01:23:05,514
right out of, uh, the game when it comes to

1267
01:23:05,535 --> 01:23:08,554
zoning and when it comes to planning. There is an

1268
01:23:08,554 --> 01:23:13,034
official plan at the region, but that is taken care

1269
01:23:13,074 --> 01:23:16,954
of by this local area municipality. So you guys are

1270
01:23:16,954 --> 01:23:19,114
the ones that make the enforcement things. When it comes

1271
01:23:19,114 --> 01:23:23,194
to environmental things within the community, that also comes into

1272
01:23:23,215 --> 01:23:25,274
play. You have to be aware of that when you're

1273
01:23:25,274 --> 01:23:29,354
looking at any of the subdivisions that are being built,

1274
01:23:29,354 --> 01:23:31,434
your staff, that's one of the very first things that

1275
01:23:31,474 --> 01:23:33,434
they go through and deal with is they're looking at

1276
01:23:33,474 --> 01:23:38,294
these things. Um, the NPCA is a commenting agency. And

1277
01:23:38,294 --> 01:23:41,194
so when it comes to various areas that are going

1278
01:23:41,375 --> 01:23:44,474
into play, I do like the idea. I think it

1279
01:23:44,514 --> 01:23:47,674
was Councillor Patriva said, you know, maybe getting the NPCA

1280
01:23:47,775 --> 01:23:50,874
involved with, with understanding how to make sure we have

1281
01:23:51,535 --> 01:23:55,114
our ditches done properly, all this other type of stuff.

1282
01:23:55,114 --> 01:23:56,474
Not a problem. And in fact, I think they would

1283
01:23:56,514 --> 01:23:59,794
be, uh, I know for a fact, they would be

1284
01:23:59,794 --> 01:24:02,474
quite happy to have those discussions to come in and

1285
01:24:02,514 --> 01:24:06,994
through. Um. But there's not much you can do when

1286
01:24:06,994 --> 01:24:09,394
you have four and a half inches of rain in

1287
01:24:09,394 --> 01:24:12,754
an hour and a half. And I think, um, everybody

1288
01:24:12,855 --> 01:24:15,554
just has to sometimes take a step back and realise

1289
01:24:16,055 --> 01:24:19,714
this stuff happens. Um, anyway, those are my comments on

1290
01:24:19,754 --> 01:24:25,074
that, Mary Easton, for that. Thank you very much, Councillor,

1291
01:24:25,074 --> 01:24:27,874
for taking that off the cough. I appreciate it. Yeah.

1292
01:24:27,874 --> 01:24:30,651
Um. So I got some really boring stuff to talk

1293
01:24:30,691 --> 01:24:36,651
about. Um, DC, uh, once again, um, so the region

1294
01:24:36,672 --> 01:24:43,211
is in the middle of doing the DC bylaw review.

1295
01:24:43,211 --> 01:24:45,771
I'm part of that committee, but we haven't met yet.

1296
01:24:45,771 --> 01:24:48,968
We did meet as a council back. Was it about

1297
01:24:49,008 --> 01:24:52,384
a month ago, Mayor Easton, I believe. And the whole

1298
01:24:52,384 --> 01:24:54,744
idea is that it has to be upgraded based on

1299
01:24:55,525 --> 01:24:57,904
all of the new things that are actually coming into

1300
01:24:57,925 --> 01:25:01,264
play with development charges. Um, all of us are going

1301
01:25:01,264 --> 01:25:04,304
to be talking to all of these ministries when we

1302
01:25:04,304 --> 01:25:08,144
get to Ottawa for the AMO conference on what a

1303
01:25:08,144 --> 01:25:10,544
lot of these things really mean and how they come

1304
01:25:10,584 --> 01:25:13,584
into play. There's supposed to be a new DC charge

1305
01:25:13,605 --> 01:25:16,944
bylaw in place by October of this year for Niagara.

1306
01:25:16,944 --> 01:25:19,744
Um, I do not see us meeting that, uh, that

1307
01:25:19,784 --> 01:25:24,016
timeline. Um, but. We shall see. Um, work has to

1308
01:25:24,016 --> 01:25:28,044
be done with that. Um, I put on to my

1309
01:25:28,084 --> 01:25:32,844
notes. Just to let you know that, um, DCs are

1310
01:25:32,844 --> 01:25:36,444
going to play a pretty important part of the South

1311
01:25:37,185 --> 01:25:41,404
Niagara wastewater treatment plant. The first phase, which is worth

1312
01:25:41,444 --> 01:25:43,804
about 35 million or something like that at this point

1313
01:25:43,905 --> 01:25:46,764
in time. That's going to be 90 percent DCs that

1314
01:25:46,764 --> 01:25:50,284
are coming into play with that. That's the engineering. That's

1315
01:25:50,385 --> 01:25:53,884
the full design that's coming into play. And that's well

1316
01:25:53,884 --> 01:25:55,964
on the road, by the way, as well. But the

1317
01:25:56,004 --> 01:26:00,902
funding package is going to come from DCs. We're going

1318
01:26:00,902 --> 01:26:04,902
to have the new dollar figure coming forward to us.

1319
01:26:04,902 --> 01:26:06,982
And I, what did I say when I first started

1320
01:26:07,163 --> 01:26:10,342
talking about this with everyone, uh, they came in with

1321
01:26:10,603 --> 01:26:14,102
320 million originally. And I said, it's going to be

1322
01:26:14,843 --> 01:26:17,062
well more than a half a billion before this is

1323
01:26:17,062 --> 01:26:20,182
all said and done. Well, once again, I was right.

1324
01:26:20,182 --> 01:26:24,262
Um, uh, 509 million is the latest figure that we're

1325
01:26:24,262 --> 01:26:27,622
looking at. I still am a strong believer that it's

1326
01:26:27,622 --> 01:26:30,342
going to hit about 600 million before it's all said

1327
01:26:30,382 --> 01:26:33,142
and done. This is a significant investment that's being done

1328
01:26:33,483 --> 01:26:38,422
in Niagara. So, um, anyway, that's, that's on the go.

1329
01:26:38,422 --> 01:26:41,118
Um. The couple of things that are coming up, uh,

1330
01:26:42,199 --> 01:26:45,838
what is today, today's Monday. Coming up Thursday night, um,

1331
01:26:47,159 --> 01:26:52,098
so nobody's ever happy with DCs, by the way. There's

1332
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,978
a, and I have a false hit on my statement

1333
01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:58,258
here. So you can stroke off Niagara Falls and say

1334
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:03,698
St. Catherine's. But we had a request coming back because

1335
01:27:03,698 --> 01:27:07,758
of a new hotel being built in St. Catharines. And

1336
01:27:07,879 --> 01:27:10,578
they feel they shouldn't have to pay DCs because it's

1337
01:27:10,578 --> 01:27:14,018
the first new hotel in 50 years. Well, okay. So

1338
01:27:14,359 --> 01:27:18,658
now regional counsel has to make a decision on it.

1339
01:27:18,658 --> 01:27:22,338
Um, the city of St. Catharines is willing to give

1340
01:27:22,338 --> 01:27:25,538
up the DC money. Um, through the programs that are

1341
01:27:25,538 --> 01:27:28,498
there. But, um, we've exhausted the funds for this year

1342
01:27:28,599 --> 01:27:32,238
already. Um, on the DC side of things. So, um,

1343
01:27:32,279 --> 01:27:35,618
and that was part of our cost saving piece of

1344
01:27:35,618 --> 01:27:37,858
the puzzle that we did through our budget process this

1345
01:27:37,858 --> 01:27:41,378
year. Um, being aware that they should be, um, they

1346
01:27:41,399 --> 01:27:46,828
should be, uh, capped. Um, the business in well and

1347
01:27:47,169 --> 01:27:54,188
that has funds that they're requesting an incredibly interesting business.

1348
01:27:54,188 --> 01:27:58,388
But again, it's been capped out. So we're going to

1349
01:27:58,388 --> 01:28:00,508
have to have a long discussion Thursday night. I'll be

1350
01:28:00,508 --> 01:28:03,548
quite fascinated to see how that shakes out. I'm going

1351
01:28:03,548 --> 01:28:07,468
to be interested to see how, uh, differing areas of,

1352
01:28:07,468 --> 01:28:11,148
uh, of Niagara vote on this particular issue Thursday night.

1353
01:28:11,148 --> 01:28:17,875
So. That's it for me tonight. Thank you very much,

1354
01:28:18,056 --> 01:28:23,627
Councillor. And councillors. We do have two questions. So I'll

1355
01:28:23,627 --> 01:28:27,299
go ahead Councillor Murray. Thank you very much, Mayor Easton.

1356
01:28:27,320 --> 01:28:31,379
Three through you to Councillor Foster. Thanks for the good

1357
01:28:31,379 --> 01:28:33,939
information on the DCs. I wanted to get a little

1358
01:28:33,939 --> 01:28:36,019
bit more clarity if I could on the last note

1359
01:28:36,059 --> 01:28:39,599
that you had the deferral of the DCs. So, um,

1360
01:28:39,599 --> 01:28:42,259
when you say that the funds are not available with

1361
01:28:42,440 --> 01:28:44,499
maxed out use, my understanding of that. So please do

1362
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:46,659
correct me if I'm wrong is that the region said

1363
01:28:46,840 --> 01:28:51,059
we will defer or are removed X number of dollars

1364
01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:54,819
of DC funds for this fiscal year. And that has

1365
01:28:54,859 --> 01:28:59,988
been maxed out. Is that what you're saying? So. We

1366
01:29:00,089 --> 01:29:03,908
had a pretty significant budget year that came into play.

1367
01:29:04,678 --> 01:29:07,457
And by the way, whoever is going to be the

1368
01:29:07,497 --> 01:29:10,817
next mayor of this municipality, whoever it is that's going

1369
01:29:10,817 --> 01:29:14,497
on, this is going to be the big issue that's

1370
01:29:14,497 --> 01:29:17,937
going on at the region is how to go and

1371
01:29:18,038 --> 01:29:21,697
actually deal with these pieces of the puzzle. Like DC

1372
01:29:21,718 --> 01:29:24,577
charges like the tax instrumental grants that are coming into

1373
01:29:24,598 --> 01:29:27,976
play. To be perfectly frank, we can't afford it. Okay.

1374
01:29:28,397 --> 01:29:31,576
Um, we do not have the taxation base across the

1375
01:29:31,597 --> 01:29:35,496
board to handle this. Um, so the problem for us

1376
01:29:35,517 --> 01:29:39,896
is going to be what should or shouldn't be being

1377
01:29:39,997 --> 01:29:42,976
a part of this. We made a decision back, I

1378
01:29:42,976 --> 01:29:45,176
think it was Mayor Easton about four years ago where

1379
01:29:45,216 --> 01:29:48,056
we said, no, we're going to be shifting to affordable

1380
01:29:48,077 --> 01:29:50,216
housing and we're going to be shifting to a variety

1381
01:29:50,237 --> 01:29:53,816
of things. And we had a council that overrode the

1382
01:29:53,856 --> 01:29:56,416
whole thing. They basically said, nope, nope, we're going to

1383
01:29:56,416 --> 01:29:59,376
continue with the way that we're doing it. Much to

1384
01:29:59,376 --> 01:30:03,096
our votes being the opposite. Um, but they, they continued

1385
01:30:03,117 --> 01:30:05,656
on with the, with the process of handing out money

1386
01:30:05,757 --> 01:30:08,456
the way they are. The, the problem is, is that

1387
01:30:08,496 --> 01:30:11,736
it makes up a significant portion of the regional budget

1388
01:30:11,736 --> 01:30:17,016
now. And it's not going away. It is continuing on,

1389
01:30:17,016 --> 01:30:19,096
I would say a trajectory that looks kind of like

1390
01:30:19,597 --> 01:30:24,616
a lunar takeoff type of thing. Okay. So, um, so

1391
01:30:26,637 --> 01:30:35,336
they're in asking for a DC grant. It's a deferral.

1392
01:30:35,336 --> 01:30:39,816
They've got coming into play, but also, um, you know,

1393
01:30:39,816 --> 01:30:42,056
these things they're looking at actually not wanting to pay

1394
01:30:43,117 --> 01:30:50,216
DC's in certain situations. And unfortunately, you know, maybe two

1395
01:30:50,256 --> 01:30:52,736
years ago, it would have been a slam dunk. It

1396
01:30:52,736 --> 01:30:54,376
would not have even been thought about as it was

1397
01:30:54,376 --> 01:30:58,056
going through. But we had to put a cap in

1398
01:30:58,096 --> 01:31:01,816
place for this week. Cannot continue spending the way that

1399
01:31:01,816 --> 01:31:04,296
we have been spending on this much to the chagrin

1400
01:31:04,336 --> 01:31:09,667
of some of the municipalities here in Niagara. Thank you

1401
01:31:09,707 --> 01:31:12,867
very much for that. So, so then, um, I just

1402
01:31:12,907 --> 01:31:16,147
see that as an enormous challenge, luckily not my challenge

1403
01:31:16,187 --> 01:31:18,387
to solve as I'm not on regional counsel. But, but

1404
01:31:18,427 --> 01:31:24,227
this idea that some, some, um, new developments, businesses are

1405
01:31:24,227 --> 01:31:27,487
otherwise two years ago didn't have to pay DCs. And

1406
01:31:27,487 --> 01:31:30,867
now that's, we don't have a, uh, a comparability of

1407
01:31:33,288 --> 01:31:36,147
relief. So remember with these grants, this is not a

1408
01:31:36,147 --> 01:31:39,587
matter of not paying DCs. It's you and I as

1409
01:31:39,587 --> 01:31:43,667
taxpayers are paying the DC value that comes into play.

1410
01:31:43,667 --> 01:31:46,147
There's nothing to do with, with them, you know, sort

1411
01:31:46,147 --> 01:31:48,227
of being able to walk away. It's the businesses that

1412
01:31:48,248 --> 01:31:51,667
are getting the break. They're getting a grant. Okay. And

1413
01:31:51,688 --> 01:31:55,427
that's coming directly out of yours and my taxpayers money

1414
01:31:55,467 --> 01:31:59,427
that's going into the region. Okay. Is it fair? I

1415
01:31:59,448 --> 01:32:02,907
actually think it's grossly unfair that's coming into play. Is

1416
01:32:02,907 --> 01:32:05,107
it needed? Well, you know, it depends who you talk

1417
01:32:05,147 --> 01:32:08,867
to. You know, um, there's maybe a lot of good

1418
01:32:08,888 --> 01:32:12,763
economic develop reasons for going and doing this stuff. But

1419
01:32:12,803 --> 01:32:14,283
this is the type of thing that we have to

1420
01:32:14,464 --> 01:32:18,203
balance every day as politicians. You guys have to do

1421
01:32:18,304 --> 01:32:21,243
it. I've watched your council the last eight years as

1422
01:32:21,243 --> 01:32:23,883
the Regional Councillor. And I've admired the way that you

1423
01:32:23,904 --> 01:32:26,603
guys have approached a lot of these issues. You've taken

1424
01:32:26,624 --> 01:32:31,243
a look at balancing the economic development aspects of things,

1425
01:32:31,243 --> 01:32:34,363
but also making sure that it's, you know, affordable for

1426
01:32:34,384 --> 01:32:38,443
taxpayers. Boy, it's a real fine line that you have

1427
01:32:38,443 --> 01:32:40,843
to go through and deal with this stuff. It's the

1428
01:32:40,843 --> 01:32:44,203
exact same thing at the region. Um, we've had to.

1429
01:32:44,203 --> 01:32:48,923
And by the way, and I will, because nobody else

1430
01:32:49,024 --> 01:32:50,523
would do it. I'm going to pat myself on the

1431
01:32:50,563 --> 01:32:54,283
back because, um, I will tell you at the region,

1432
01:32:54,283 --> 01:32:57,643
we have had some incredibly good tax years from the

1433
01:32:58,064 --> 01:33:02,683
regional department's point of view. We have put through taxation

1434
01:33:02,723 --> 01:33:07,569
that is not unreasonable. Um, uh, I would suggest you

1435
01:33:07,910 --> 01:33:12,209
there may be certain aspects of Niagara region that we'll

1436
01:33:12,249 --> 01:33:15,469
call it maybe policing. That has certainly caused a lot

1437
01:33:15,469 --> 01:33:20,040
of grief. Um, in the taxation area. So. But it's

1438
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:21,960
a matter of balancing all this stuff. This is what

1439
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:24,920
we do. This is why we get elected as people

1440
01:33:24,960 --> 01:33:27,880
on these things. And by the way, you know, like

1441
01:33:27,880 --> 01:33:30,680
I'm really quite sad that, um, the regional councillor position

1442
01:33:30,941 --> 01:33:36,280
is going away. In the last, I'm sorry I'm wandering

1443
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,720
away from your question, but, um, in the last two

1444
01:33:39,741 --> 01:33:44,200
weeks, um, I have taken so many calls on so

1445
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:50,592
many issues. Within the municipality, the pieces that flow over

1446
01:33:50,613 --> 01:33:53,532
into the NPCA, all these other types of things. And

1447
01:33:53,532 --> 01:33:58,032
it's like there's certainly is an awful lot of things

1448
01:33:59,013 --> 01:34:03,693
that regional councillors do do. Thank you very much, Councillor.

1449
01:34:03,693 --> 01:34:10,935
Thank you, Mayor said. Councillor Pachiri vote. Please stick to

1450
01:34:10,975 --> 01:34:18,312
the report. Thank you. Your swan song.

1451
01:34:29,300 --> 01:34:34,319
Okay. Very good. Um, so following along in the standard,

1452
01:34:34,660 --> 01:34:38,559
the first one about the hotel in St. Catherine's. That's

1453
01:34:38,559 --> 01:34:42,139
a deferral. So they're willing to pay the DCs, but

1454
01:34:42,180 --> 01:34:47,100
just defer the payment. Is it for. Because I never

1455
01:34:47,361 --> 01:34:49,180
read, like, is it for five years? Is it 10

1456
01:34:49,180 --> 01:34:51,180
years? And then how does that over, how does that

1457
01:34:51,361 --> 01:34:57,707
affect, um, the situation. So knowing that they're coming, I'm

1458
01:34:57,747 --> 01:34:59,447
not too sure about the business and well on, but

1459
01:35:00,368 --> 01:35:04,187
yeah, just, just curious from your standpoint. PONO, I would

1460
01:35:04,187 --> 01:35:06,827
suggest you that both of them really are not happy

1461
01:35:06,867 --> 01:35:11,707
about paying DC. So that's what the crux of the

1462
01:35:11,707 --> 01:35:14,747
matter is. So we're going to have a fascinating meeting

1463
01:35:14,848 --> 01:35:17,947
this upcoming Thursday night talking about that. So. Because like

1464
01:35:19,328 --> 01:35:22,427
sometimes regional council can be pretty exciting. So I might

1465
01:35:22,427 --> 01:35:25,707
tune in Thursday night. And like you say, um, the

1466
01:35:25,707 --> 01:35:28,347
shortfalls picked up by you and I, and the people

1467
01:35:28,387 --> 01:35:32,873
in the room. Yep. Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Thank you

1468
01:35:32,913 --> 01:35:41,393
very much. And Councillor Mickeluck, you're next. Thank you through

1469
01:35:41,494 --> 01:35:46,273
you two Councillor Prosser. So, um, with respect to that

1470
01:35:46,614 --> 01:35:53,153
wastewater treatment plant. And yeah, 360 million that revokes you

1471
01:35:53,153 --> 01:35:57,873
mentioned. And then now it's 508. We're thereabouts. And you're

1472
01:35:57,913 --> 01:36:00,273
saying that it's probably going to end up being 600

1473
01:36:00,313 --> 01:36:06,365
million. You mentioned something about DC's funding a certain amount.

1474
01:36:06,558 --> 01:36:09,177
But what is that formula look like? Who's paying for

1475
01:36:09,217 --> 01:36:19,058
this wastewater treatment plan. They're getting a significant, uh,

1476
01:36:20,619 --> 01:36:24,918
they're given a significant expectation, you know, come tax time.

1477
01:36:24,918 --> 01:36:30,605
Who's paying for this, uh, treatment plan. Well, I would,

1478
01:36:30,605 --> 01:36:34,845
I would start by saying I'm not the absolute master

1479
01:36:35,826 --> 01:36:39,005
at this whole financial wizardry that goes on in and

1480
01:36:39,005 --> 01:36:42,685
around DCs. And how municipalities make use of them as

1481
01:36:42,685 --> 01:36:45,500
they move into the future. But the reality is, is

1482
01:36:45,540 --> 01:36:51,020
that, and the thinking process is, um, developers and development

1483
01:36:51,441 --> 01:36:55,997
pays for development. That's what we have followed along. And

1484
01:36:55,997 --> 01:36:58,337
that's one of the, one of the pieces is DCs

1485
01:36:58,337 --> 01:37:00,965
that come into play with that. And so we know

1486
01:37:01,005 --> 01:37:04,805
that there's going to be literally thousands of homes built

1487
01:37:05,146 --> 01:37:08,965
and thorled. And in Niagara on the lake and in

1488
01:37:08,986 --> 01:37:12,645
the edge of St. Catherine's and in Niagara Falls that

1489
01:37:12,645 --> 01:37:15,185
are going to be coming into play where DCs are

1490
01:37:15,185 --> 01:37:17,845
going to be coming into play with those, uh, those

1491
01:37:17,885 --> 01:37:25,445
places being built. And so there's sometimes, um, again, perhaps

1492
01:37:25,626 --> 01:37:28,305
maybe Mr. Kirkopoulos can explain it better than me. But

1493
01:37:28,305 --> 01:37:33,365
sometimes there's, um, situations where essentially you're borrowing from the

1494
01:37:33,365 --> 01:37:36,405
future to go and make all of these things work.

1495
01:37:36,405 --> 01:37:40,385
So, um, so that, that piece of the puzzle, um,

1496
01:37:40,666 --> 01:37:44,325
is well laid out. Um, and by the way, that

1497
01:37:45,226 --> 01:37:49,725
South Niagara wastewater treatment plant has to be built. It

1498
01:37:49,725 --> 01:37:53,125
has to be built for the whole development process that's

1499
01:37:53,125 --> 01:37:57,605
going on within that part of Niagara. So, um, I'm

1500
01:37:57,605 --> 01:37:59,685
sorry. I don't know if I answered your question, Mike,

1501
01:37:59,685 --> 01:38:05,112
but, um, no, it's just, it's, it's a. We're almost

1502
01:38:05,112 --> 01:38:09,112
talking like a 200 dollar, 200 million dollar difference from

1503
01:38:09,112 --> 01:38:14,232
what we originally, um, were expecting. And we had not

1504
01:38:14,232 --> 01:38:17,912
even really there yet. So I think though, and if

1505
01:38:17,912 --> 01:38:19,672
I, if I can jump in over top, you just

1506
01:38:19,672 --> 01:38:22,792
for a second, you know, the, the, the 320 million

1507
01:38:23,133 --> 01:38:29,272
that, we started with was, what was that 2029 when

1508
01:38:29,272 --> 01:38:31,818
that came into play. So there was this little thing

1509
01:38:31,858 --> 01:38:34,138
called COVID came into play. And, you know, the cost

1510
01:38:34,178 --> 01:38:36,378
of everything has gone up. And we take a look

1511
01:38:36,378 --> 01:38:40,138
at this now from, from all of our own buying

1512
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,938
and handling point of view, the cost of everything have

1513
01:38:42,938 --> 01:38:46,778
gone up dramatically. So it doesn't surprise me that it's

1514
01:38:46,818 --> 01:38:49,738
hitting that. And it wouldn't surprise me if it goes

1515
01:38:49,738 --> 01:38:53,738
higher. Um, I think that's just the reality of, of,

1516
01:38:53,738 --> 01:38:58,028
uh, today's construction environments. You know, I'm just trying to

1517
01:38:58,529 --> 01:39:02,603
make sure there's a benefit to the existing taxpayers. Through

1518
01:39:02,643 --> 01:39:06,823
all of this. That's what I'm searching for. Through you

1519
01:39:07,344 --> 01:39:12,203
Mayor, another question and it dances around the NPCA discussion.

1520
01:39:12,203 --> 01:39:15,083
And, you know, I've talked on the side with Councillor

1521
01:39:15,123 --> 01:39:20,666
Reimer or Deputy Mayor Reimer for a minute. What role

1522
01:39:20,687 --> 01:39:25,866
does the NPCA have with respect to private properties, their

1523
01:39:25,866 --> 01:39:31,575
ditches, their watersheds, their maintenance. You know, they're, they're importance.

1524
01:39:31,575 --> 01:39:36,158
They're impact to getting that water to Lake Ontario. I

1525
01:39:36,158 --> 01:39:43,258
know that the NPCA has governing authority over development. And

1526
01:39:43,258 --> 01:39:45,838
I don't know. Uh, you're shaking your head. Yeah. So

1527
01:39:46,099 --> 01:39:48,318
do they have any influence? Do they have any strength

1528
01:39:49,459 --> 01:39:51,758
in when we ourselves as a municipality or looking at

1529
01:39:51,779 --> 01:39:53,838
this sort of thing trying to get the water to

1530
01:39:53,878 --> 01:40:02,696
Lake Ontario. Could the NPCA influence or.

1531
01:40:05,832 --> 01:40:09,891
So the Niagara Peninsula conservation authority like all conservation authorities

1532
01:40:10,712 --> 01:40:16,291
are there for the conservation protection and, you know, understanding

1533
01:40:16,952 --> 01:40:19,891
the water that's coming into play? I mean, we're involved

1534
01:40:19,912 --> 01:40:25,331
with, uh, with the lakeshore, um, uh, NPCA has been

1535
01:40:25,512 --> 01:40:29,091
an actor participant in the group that Mary Easton is

1536
01:40:29,091 --> 01:40:33,731
involved with, you know, making sure that, um, all of

1537
01:40:33,731 --> 01:40:37,091
these water courses are known and understood and are functioning

1538
01:40:37,192 --> 01:40:42,355
properly. But they don't do everything. Okay. Like, um, you're

1539
01:40:42,355 --> 01:40:44,595
getting into an area that's kind of interesting. Once you

1540
01:40:44,595 --> 01:40:49,155
start talking about drains, um, within a municipality. Drains have

1541
01:40:49,176 --> 01:40:52,675
a certain context that comes into play and how they

1542
01:40:52,696 --> 01:40:55,875
behave and how the municipality has to deal with that.

1543
01:40:55,976 --> 01:41:01,295
Private landowners have going through their particular properties. You know,

1544
01:41:01,295 --> 01:41:03,475
we don't have a bunch of people at the NPCA

1545
01:41:03,496 --> 01:41:06,755
that are going out and going to private landowners and

1546
01:41:06,755 --> 01:41:09,955
saying, you know, you shall dig your ditch out here

1547
01:41:10,136 --> 01:41:12,915
because otherwise it's not working property. That's not the way

1548
01:41:12,936 --> 01:41:17,475
that any of that stuff works. Um, we do the

1549
01:41:17,475 --> 01:41:19,635
NPCA does a lot of mapping. They do an awful

1550
01:41:19,635 --> 01:41:23,795
lot of understanding of what the environmental protection areas are.

1551
01:41:23,795 --> 01:41:27,875
They make sure that the municipality anytime Matin is team,

1552
01:41:27,875 --> 01:41:31,475
um, require assistance on the planning side of things and

1553
01:41:31,496 --> 01:41:33,635
how water is going to run. And the courses and

1554
01:41:33,635 --> 01:41:37,395
stuff like that, the NPCA is a commenting agency and

1555
01:41:37,395 --> 01:41:41,155
all those things. But, um, that's, that's pretty much as

1556
01:41:41,155 --> 01:41:44,115
far as it goes, Mike. So just follow up to

1557
01:41:44,115 --> 01:41:48,915
that. Perhaps should that be part of the NPCA's role

1558
01:41:49,256 --> 01:41:54,621
moving forward in the future. To work on those sorts

1559
01:41:54,621 --> 01:42:01,001
of things. And two, look at. And two. Address these

1560
01:42:01,041 --> 01:42:06,581
sorts of things. Interesting idea. I can tell you, and

1561
01:42:06,581 --> 01:42:09,001
I know Mayor Easton knows, um, we're going through this

1562
01:42:09,582 --> 01:42:14,361
with the conservation authority. The Niagara Peninsula Conservation Authority is

1563
01:42:14,382 --> 01:42:21,881
being amalgamated into the Western Lake Ontario region conservation authority.

1564
01:42:21,881 --> 01:42:25,561
Um, I happened to be one of the members of

1565
01:42:25,561 --> 01:42:29,141
the transition team that's coming into play with that. Um,

1566
01:42:29,502 --> 01:42:32,201
as is the CAO, Leilani Li Yates, who you guys

1567
01:42:32,201 --> 01:42:35,361
have had here a few times, Top Notch CAO, I

1568
01:42:35,361 --> 01:42:38,281
might add, uh, but we're working with Hamilton. We're working

1569
01:42:38,281 --> 01:42:41,081
with Hallton when we're working with the credit Valley to

1570
01:42:41,121 --> 01:42:45,161
go and put together what this new conservation area, conservation

1571
01:42:45,182 --> 01:42:48,197
association area is going to look like. Um, the problem

1572
01:42:48,698 --> 01:42:51,157
is really pushing things on the planning side of things.

1573
01:42:51,157 --> 01:42:55,717
Okay. Like that's, I think that's their fundamental bottom line.

1574
01:42:55,717 --> 01:42:57,317
This is what we want to do. We want to

1575
01:42:57,317 --> 01:42:59,877
make sure we have consistent planning. We want to make

1576
01:42:59,877 --> 01:43:02,837
sure that the conservation area is there to back up

1577
01:43:02,858 --> 01:43:05,397
what it is that's going on in that particular area.

1578
01:43:05,397 --> 01:43:08,797
So not a bad idea. I like that. That'd be

1579
01:43:09,258 --> 01:43:11,237
an idea I would take along. So thank you. If

1580
01:43:11,237 --> 01:43:13,797
you could, just because like when we talk planning that

1581
01:43:13,797 --> 01:43:17,957
we're talking in this case existing, uh, down the, you

1582
01:43:17,957 --> 01:43:20,757
know, down the stream sort of stuff, but, uh, up

1583
01:43:20,778 --> 01:43:22,997
the stream has to rely on making sure that down

1584
01:43:22,997 --> 01:43:25,957
the stream works. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank

1585
01:43:25,957 --> 01:43:31,159
you very much. Councillor Reimer. You're the last speaker. Go

1586
01:43:31,159 --> 01:43:35,195
ahead. Thank you, Mayor Sin. Um, thanks Rob for being

1587
01:43:35,195 --> 01:43:38,011
here again tonight. Just with regards to our, we talked

1588
01:43:38,011 --> 01:43:40,091
about the last time you hear our favourite discussion is

1589
01:43:40,131 --> 01:43:46,251
wastewater treatment plant. Is that any portion of that qualify

1590
01:43:46,291 --> 01:43:50,611
for provincial funding through Hughes funding or is there, is

1591
01:43:50,611 --> 01:43:54,891
there something else through the bill and escapes me? Maybe

1592
01:43:54,891 --> 01:43:57,371
director brooder members which one it does because the bills

1593
01:43:57,472 --> 01:44:01,076
come out. But for building homes faster. Is there something

1594
01:44:01,097 --> 01:44:04,596
where that applies to? And just, is it, is it

1595
01:44:04,596 --> 01:44:06,596
better for the reason to do it or does it

1596
01:44:06,636 --> 01:44:09,876
demissalies play? Like where does that line, you know, where's

1597
01:44:09,876 --> 01:44:11,876
that line come? We talked a little bit about on

1598
01:44:11,876 --> 01:44:15,716
a practical level where it's infrastructure start. But for funding,

1599
01:44:15,756 --> 01:44:19,316
can they also apply for their peace, uh, through you,

1600
01:44:19,316 --> 01:44:24,426
Mary's. So actually that's a great question because it kind

1601
01:44:24,426 --> 01:44:27,706
of circles off the whole evening. Thank you. Um, it

1602
01:44:27,706 --> 01:44:30,426
goes back to the original discussion boat flooding and all

1603
01:44:30,426 --> 01:44:33,923
this type of stuff. Region's responsible for the trunk lines

1604
01:44:33,923 --> 01:44:37,683
that are coming into play. So when everything is exiting

1605
01:44:37,723 --> 01:44:40,563
out of the town system, that's being fired off to

1606
01:44:40,603 --> 01:44:45,123
the wastewater treatment plants. The water system, um, the region

1607
01:44:45,163 --> 01:44:48,563
provides water up to the connection with the, with the

1608
01:44:48,664 --> 01:44:51,283
local air municipality to go and do all that type

1609
01:44:51,304 --> 01:44:57,603
of stuff. So, um, your question on, uh, sorry, with

1610
01:44:57,603 --> 01:45:01,283
the, I took right off top. Yeah. Sorry. With the

1611
01:45:01,624 --> 01:45:03,203
funding. Is it does it qualify for any of the

1612
01:45:03,704 --> 01:45:06,803
provincial bills that they put down. They usually attach a

1613
01:45:06,843 --> 01:45:10,117
funding model or opportunity with it. Of course it does.

1614
01:45:10,538 --> 01:45:15,057
Like this, it's something that should ideally be funded. The

1615
01:45:15,098 --> 01:45:19,797
problem is, is that, um, there is so much infrastructure

1616
01:45:20,058 --> 01:45:24,677
deficit in the province of Ontario. It's, we're seeing some

1617
01:45:24,677 --> 01:45:27,557
of these programs they're putting out. And it seems to

1618
01:45:27,597 --> 01:45:33,877
be going into certain parcels, um, we haven't seen any

1619
01:45:33,898 --> 01:45:38,117
yet towards the wastewater treatment plant. But the region has

1620
01:45:38,117 --> 01:45:40,997
been doing a good job, um, and the local municipalities

1621
01:45:41,037 --> 01:45:43,472
have been doing a good job. Of doing the advocacy

1622
01:45:43,573 --> 01:45:48,872
with this, um, with the province. So, um, personally, I

1623
01:45:49,173 --> 01:45:51,872
foresee good news coming along here at some point in

1624
01:45:51,912 --> 01:45:54,112
time. But it's likely going to have to be other

1625
01:45:54,773 --> 01:45:57,792
government funding that's really going to go and do that.

1626
01:45:57,792 --> 01:46:00,832
So, okay. All right. Thanks Council Frost. Thank you, Marison.

1627
01:46:01,093 --> 01:46:06,752
We could say councillor that, uh, the DC, the program,

1628
01:46:06,752 --> 01:46:09,792
the phase one program, that it is a form. Because

1629
01:46:09,792 --> 01:46:12,752
if I recall, within the last year, there have been

1630
01:46:12,792 --> 01:46:16,383
many petitions to the province. And there has been no

1631
01:46:16,804 --> 01:46:22,463
package that they get actually advertised as suitable and applicable

1632
01:46:22,644 --> 01:46:29,951
for the wastewater treatment plant. However, the DC funding for

1633
01:46:29,991 --> 01:46:33,551
the phase one is one that we're all contributing to.

1634
01:46:34,818 --> 01:46:38,637
Because as you recall, we didn't select a particular project

1635
01:46:39,058 --> 01:46:41,757
because of the way we had done our business differently.

1636
01:46:41,757 --> 01:46:45,437
And we had received a great deal of provincial funding

1637
01:46:45,778 --> 01:46:54,643
and federal funding. So however, we are participants in the

1638
01:46:55,784 --> 01:46:59,923
South Niagara Wastewater treatment plan to the level of 90

1639
01:46:59,963 --> 01:47:04,803
percent with remaining temper cell That's for the region as

1640
01:47:04,824 --> 01:47:09,353
a whole. So there, but it's, um, it's not a

1641
01:47:09,374 --> 01:47:12,313
package that people have been going around selling. In fact,

1642
01:47:12,974 --> 01:47:16,852
that basket has been quite empty of money. I think

1643
01:47:16,852 --> 01:47:18,852
it was just nothing. Thank you, thank you very much

1644
01:47:20,313 --> 01:47:24,372
Councillor Foster. And thank you again for your commitment to

1645
01:47:24,393 --> 01:47:29,092
this council and for the excellent work that you've been

1646
01:47:29,132 --> 01:47:32,292
doing at the region, how you've applied yourself to things

1647
01:47:32,393 --> 01:47:34,132
that matter to length. Well, thank you very much, Mayor

1648
01:47:34,153 --> 01:47:36,612
Easton. I do appreciate that. And I got to tell

1649
01:47:36,612 --> 01:47:39,812
you one of the highlights of being the regional councillor

1650
01:47:39,913 --> 01:47:42,452
is coming and talking to you guys. So it really

1651
01:47:42,452 --> 01:47:48,182
shows how boring my life really is. Thanks, guys. All

1652
01:47:48,182 --> 01:47:53,331
right. Thank you, Rob. So there'll be no for the

1653
01:47:53,331 --> 01:47:56,531
discussion. I have a motion moved by Councillor Pachiriva, seconded

1654
01:47:56,571 --> 01:47:59,731
by Councillor Reimer. The Council receive and file for information

1655
01:48:00,152 --> 01:48:04,051
the following delegation regional Councillor Foster and Madam Clerk. Would

1656
01:48:04,051 --> 01:48:06,621
you please open the vote. Thanks, Madam Mayor. And the

1657
01:48:06,621 --> 01:48:09,916
vote's open. Yes.

1658
01:48:16,801 --> 01:48:20,968
I'll close that boat. And that carries, thank you. The

1659
01:48:21,008 --> 01:48:23,608
motion is carried and we move on to item number

1660
01:48:23,869 --> 01:48:27,208
12. Um, items for just consideration. There are none this

1661
01:48:27,208 --> 01:48:30,547
evening. And we move on now to the motion to

1662
01:48:30,568 --> 01:48:34,467
approve previous Council minutes, considering the Council Minutes of July

1663
01:48:35,128 --> 01:48:42,011
6th, 2026, to members of Council have any questions. They're

1664
01:48:42,051 --> 01:48:44,971
being none. I have a motion moved by Councillor Reimer,

1665
01:48:44,971 --> 01:48:48,091
seconded by Councillor Murray. The Council approved the minutes of

1666
01:48:48,091 --> 01:48:51,611
the following meetings with Council Council Minutes of July 6,

1667
01:48:51,651 --> 01:48:56,483
2026. Madam Clerk, would you please open the vote. PONOTA's

1668
01:48:56,483 --> 01:49:05,407
Open? PONO. I'll close that vote. That carries. The motion

1669
01:49:05,748 --> 01:49:08,927
is carried. We move on now to recommendations from standing

1670
01:49:08,948 --> 01:49:12,127
committees and consider the following committee of the whole minutes

1671
01:49:12,228 --> 01:49:16,127
of July 13, 2026. Do members of Council have any

1672
01:49:16,148 --> 01:49:22,478
questions. PONOTONO. Seeing none, I have a motion move by

1673
01:49:22,579 --> 01:49:26,078
Councillor Russell, seconded by Councillor Brene that Council approved the

1674
01:49:26,179 --> 01:49:30,318
following recommendations from standing committees, Committee of the whole minutes

1675
01:49:30,318 --> 01:49:34,078
of July 13, 2026. Madam Clerk, would you please open

1676
01:49:34,099 --> 01:49:36,295
the vote. PONTON.

1677
01:49:44,949 --> 01:49:48,628
Close it and that carries. Thank you. That motion is

1678
01:49:48,628 --> 01:49:52,228
carried and we move on to item number 15, which

1679
01:49:52,228 --> 01:49:56,708
is notice of motion. And we are now considering notice

1680
01:49:56,748 --> 01:50:00,628
of motion brought forward by Councillor Pachiriva, seconded by Councillor

1681
01:50:00,668 --> 01:50:04,548
Timmers that was introduced at the last meeting and will

1682
01:50:04,548 --> 01:50:10,264
be brought forward this evening for consideration. Councillor Pachiriva, would

1683
01:50:10,264 --> 01:50:18,214
you please provide comments. Thanks for worship. Um, Councillor Timmers

1684
01:50:18,254 --> 01:50:20,854
and I are pleased to bring this motion forward because

1685
01:50:20,854 --> 01:50:23,094
we believe Affordable Housing is one of the most important

1686
01:50:23,355 --> 01:50:27,566
issues facing our community today. As the municipality, we may

1687
01:50:27,566 --> 01:50:29,726
not have all the answers, but we do have an

1688
01:50:29,726 --> 01:50:32,968
opportunity to be part of the solution. The motion does

1689
01:50:33,008 --> 01:50:35,928
not approve a housing project tonight and set it as

1690
01:50:35,928 --> 01:50:38,168
staff to explore whether a portion of the form of

1691
01:50:38,168 --> 01:50:43,048
BDSS precinct could support a nonprofit Affordable Housing Development as

1692
01:50:43,088 --> 01:50:46,728
part of the broader master planning process. Any future proposal

1693
01:50:46,728 --> 01:50:50,488
would still come back to council following technical analysis, community

1694
01:50:50,528 --> 01:50:54,968
engagement, and partnershipsions. And I just wanted to dispel to

1695
01:50:54,989 --> 01:50:58,088
something out there, uh, in the community. Again, it's about

1696
01:50:58,109 --> 01:51:00,845
controlling the narrative. The town of Lincoln is not building

1697
01:51:01,026 --> 01:51:04,365
a building. They're not being landlords. They're not operating a

1698
01:51:04,405 --> 01:51:09,165
building. What is happening is, um, the motion is the

1699
01:51:09,266 --> 01:51:12,525
biggest impediment to building one of these is the land.

1700
01:51:13,085 --> 01:51:17,152
And that's what we have. So a third party like

1701
01:51:17,173 --> 01:51:21,632
indwell, the YWCA, Bethlehem Housing, they will build an operator

1702
01:51:22,293 --> 01:51:26,832
or in pork Colbert where it's port cares. And they

1703
01:51:26,872 --> 01:51:33,570
built an operated, the facility. The former BDSS property. Is

1704
01:51:33,831 --> 01:51:38,264
a unique community asset. And we have a responsibility consider

1705
01:51:38,685 --> 01:51:41,304
how can best serve Lincoln, not just today, but for

1706
01:51:41,325 --> 01:51:47,544
future generations. Exploring affordable housing alongside recreation, community services, and

1707
01:51:47,645 --> 01:51:51,304
other community needs is a thoughtful and responsible step forward.

1708
01:51:53,099 --> 01:51:58,410
Um. I look forward to hearing my colleagues thoughts. And

1709
01:51:58,410 --> 01:52:02,498
I hope you'll support this motion. Thank you, worship. Thank

1710
01:52:02,498 --> 01:52:07,698
you very much, Councillors. And I will read the motion.

1711
01:52:09,349 --> 01:52:12,288
Whereas some of the most important work undertaken by local

1712
01:52:12,309 --> 01:52:16,668
government is creating the conditions for people to thrive. And

1713
01:52:16,668 --> 01:52:20,688
that begins with ensuring residents have access to a safe,

1714
01:52:20,728 --> 01:52:24,827
stable, and affordable place to call home. And whereas access

1715
01:52:24,867 --> 01:52:28,267
to Affordable Housing remains a significant and growing need in

1716
01:52:28,267 --> 01:52:32,594
the town of Lincoln and throughout Niagara. And as fundamental

1717
01:52:32,775 --> 01:52:38,612
to supporting a healthy, inclusive and economically resilient community. And

1718
01:52:38,873 --> 01:52:43,252
whereas increasing the supply, diversity and affordability of housing, is

1719
01:52:43,273 --> 01:52:46,692
a strategic priority of the province of Ontario and the

1720
01:52:46,793 --> 01:52:51,172
Town of Lincoln. With municipalities playing a critical role in

1721
01:52:51,273 --> 01:52:56,612
facilitating housing opportunities through planning, partnerships, and the strategic use

1722
01:52:56,633 --> 01:53:03,589
of municipal assets. And whereas innovative partnerships, strategic use of

1723
01:53:03,930 --> 01:53:08,949
surplus municipal lands and a shared commitment between governments, community

1724
01:53:09,130 --> 01:53:13,269
organisations, and housing providers can help address one of the

1725
01:53:13,269 --> 01:53:19,349
most pressing challenges facing communities today. And whereas the former

1726
01:53:19,690 --> 01:53:25,429
Beamsville District secondary school, BDSS site, represents a unique municipal

1727
01:53:25,530 --> 01:53:29,089
asset with the potential to support a mixed - use

1728
01:53:29,089 --> 01:53:35,749
community hub that responds to identified community priorities, including recreation,

1729
01:53:35,930 --> 01:53:41,481
community services, and Affordable Housing. And whereas the successful delivery

1730
01:53:41,521 --> 01:53:45,561
of Affordable Housing will require a strong partnerships with non

1731
01:53:45,582 --> 01:53:50,041
- profit housing providers, senior levels of government, and the

1732
01:53:50,062 --> 01:53:55,081
broader community, together with appropriate funding opportunities and a development

1733
01:53:55,102 --> 01:54:00,618
model that ensures long - term financial sustainability. And whereas

1734
01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:06,458
staff have commenced preliminary analysis and discussions, including mapping out

1735
01:54:06,879 --> 01:54:11,658
and expression of interest, EOI, regarding the feasibility of incorporating

1736
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:15,738
affordable housing as part of the long - term redevelopment

1737
01:54:15,759 --> 01:54:23,699
of the BDSS site. Now, therefore it resolved that Council

1738
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:28,019
affirm its commitment to advancing Affordable Housing Opportunities within the

1739
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:32,339
Town of Lincoln by directing staff to reserve and evaluate

1740
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:36,899
a suitable portion of the BDSS precinct for a potential

1741
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:42,819
non - profit Affordable Housing Development, including exploring innovative partnerships

1742
01:54:42,859 --> 01:54:46,979
with non - profit housing providers, senior levels of government

1743
01:54:47,160 --> 01:54:52,419
and community partners with the location, size, development model, funding

1744
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:56,979
opportunities, and partnership arrangements to be determined through the master

1745
01:54:57,080 --> 01:55:04,614
planning expression of interest process. Technical analysis, community engagement, and

1746
01:55:04,614 --> 01:55:10,637
future council consideration and approval. I will allow, ask our

1747
01:55:12,178 --> 01:55:16,217
clerk to open the boat. Oh, we have a big

1748
01:55:16,338 --> 01:55:20,428
board here. All right, we're going to start. You have

1749
01:55:20,449 --> 01:55:25,757
something for the DSA Councillor Pechirita. Nothing for you. Okay.

1750
01:55:26,418 --> 01:55:30,625
Councillor Renejema, go ahead. Oh, thank you. Thank you, Madam

1751
01:55:30,625 --> 01:55:36,065
Chair. So I'm reading, so I know that we talked,

1752
01:55:36,065 --> 01:55:37,745
I think it was July 13th or something like that

1753
01:55:38,566 --> 01:55:43,025
about, um, or is earlier June, in June, about the

1754
01:55:43,065 --> 01:55:46,865
next step is that we will be releasing an EOI,

1755
01:55:46,865 --> 01:55:49,345
an expression of interest out to the community. Um, that's

1756
01:55:49,366 --> 01:55:54,692
referred to in this motion. Um, so I'm thinking the

1757
01:55:54,713 --> 01:55:57,649
intent. And correct me if I'm wrong, is to make

1758
01:55:57,649 --> 01:56:01,889
sure that in that ELI, there is very clear direction

1759
01:56:01,889 --> 01:56:05,089
that a portion of this property is going to be,

1760
01:56:05,089 --> 01:56:15,086
um, focus on affordable housing. Um, I'm wondering what. Is

1761
01:56:15,126 --> 01:56:17,406
going to come out of this motion at this point

1762
01:56:17,827 --> 01:56:21,886
though, because, um, I was hearing that, um, staff is

1763
01:56:21,886 --> 01:56:25,486
just going to evaluate a suitable portion of, uh, evaluate

1764
01:56:25,907 --> 01:56:30,686
the BDSS precinct to find a suitable portion of land

1765
01:56:30,707 --> 01:56:33,259
for Affordable housing. But then I see the word. To

1766
01:56:33,259 --> 01:56:37,259
reserve and evaluate. So is, are we just asking staff

1767
01:56:37,299 --> 01:56:40,619
to evaluate the property for a suitable portion of land

1768
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:44,539
to be designated for Affordable housing? Are we asking them

1769
01:56:44,539 --> 01:56:47,419
to reserve it and designate it for it? So as

1770
01:56:47,459 --> 01:56:49,179
the decision going to be made before the EOI goes

1771
01:56:49,219 --> 01:56:52,099
out, um, what portion of the property is going to

1772
01:56:52,099 --> 01:56:54,459
be used for Affordable Housing? Or is it just going

1773
01:56:54,459 --> 01:56:57,019
to be sort of a suggestion? We'd evaluated this is

1774
01:56:57,019 --> 01:57:01,399
what we're thinking. And are we thinking this. Out of

1775
01:57:01,399 --> 01:57:06,407
this motion will happen this term. That makes sense. Yes.

1776
01:57:06,588 --> 01:57:11,315
We'll start with CAO Crocopolis. Go ahead. Through you, Madam

1777
01:57:11,315 --> 01:57:13,075
Mayor, to the Councillor, maybe I'll answer the last question

1778
01:57:13,576 --> 01:57:16,995
first, Councillor. I don't see anything happening this term. This

1779
01:57:16,995 --> 01:57:19,715
potentially is the last council meeting. And that's why I

1780
01:57:19,715 --> 01:57:21,715
think this is before you. So I don't see anything

1781
01:57:21,896 --> 01:57:26,355
necessarily happening this term. We are working on the parameters

1782
01:57:26,856 --> 01:57:30,515
and generally what EOI will look like. I think when

1783
01:57:30,515 --> 01:57:32,515
we present it to Council a few months back, we

1784
01:57:32,536 --> 01:57:36,175
talked about that EOI going out later this year, uh,

1785
01:57:36,296 --> 01:57:38,835
early next year, but really allowing the new council an

1786
01:57:38,875 --> 01:57:42,115
opportunity to look at what's in that expression of interest

1787
01:57:42,536 --> 01:57:44,755
and to have a chance to weigh into it. In

1788
01:57:44,755 --> 01:57:47,555
terms of your question, uh, we aren't saying this amount

1789
01:57:47,595 --> 01:57:52,675
of land needs to be designated for Affordable Housing. What

1790
01:57:52,675 --> 01:57:55,635
we're saying is affordable housing will make up one of

1791
01:57:56,456 --> 01:57:58,755
the things that we want to see in that broader

1792
01:57:58,776 --> 01:58:00,675
precinct. And so I think in a lot of ways

1793
01:58:01,016 --> 01:58:05,075
this motion, uh, reaffirms what council said, what staff said

1794
01:58:05,075 --> 01:58:08,115
that evening when we presented that presentation. And that is

1795
01:58:08,136 --> 01:58:12,875
a Neoy will include for all intents and purposes. A

1796
01:58:12,875 --> 01:58:16,836
reference to Affordable Housing. Uh, there is existing. Affordable housing

1797
01:58:16,876 --> 01:58:20,160
in that broader precinct already. This is a look at

1798
01:58:20,821 --> 01:58:25,040
potentially expanding, not necessarily that one in particular, as I

1799
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:27,480
know there is some confusion in the community based on

1800
01:58:27,480 --> 01:58:30,840
the emails I received today, but rather looking at, is

1801
01:58:30,840 --> 01:58:34,400
there an opportunity for us to build something in that

1802
01:58:34,440 --> 01:58:38,160
particular site. And we've always said the skin in the

1803
01:58:38,160 --> 01:58:40,160
game for lack of a better word that the municipality

1804
01:58:40,200 --> 01:58:44,880
has, uh, is land now in that broader precinct. PORRO.

1805
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,480
So I'm happy to hear that because that was one

1806
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:48,240
of the questions I had when we talked about EOI

1807
01:58:48,341 --> 01:58:50,000
at the last meeting, you know, how are we going

1808
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:51,760
to shape it so that's clear that that's one of

1809
01:58:51,760 --> 01:58:54,320
our priorities. So if that's the intent of this, then

1810
01:58:54,341 --> 01:58:58,920
I support it. Thank you. So I just want to

1811
01:58:59,061 --> 01:59:05,100
clarify something. Mr. CAO, would you define this as, um,

1812
01:59:05,701 --> 01:59:15,095
simply intent. Or something much stronger than that. Through amount

1813
01:59:15,095 --> 01:59:17,415
of mayor, I think it's, it's both. I think it's

1814
01:59:17,415 --> 01:59:20,455
the intent. You know, an EOI needs to go out

1815
01:59:20,556 --> 01:59:22,935
and we need to evaluate what comes back in that

1816
01:59:22,956 --> 01:59:25,255
expression of interest. I think I said that evening on

1817
01:59:25,836 --> 01:59:28,215
a number of occasions that I don't want to presuppose

1818
01:59:28,255 --> 01:59:31,975
what the size is. I don't want to presuppose the

1819
01:59:32,076 --> 01:59:36,215
type of, um, funding model, uh, the type of provider

1820
01:59:36,255 --> 01:59:38,215
who will look at that particular site. I think the

1821
01:59:38,255 --> 01:59:42,695
number of different options we can look at. But the,

1822
01:59:42,735 --> 01:59:45,095
you know, its intent in directing staff, I think to

1823
01:59:45,095 --> 01:59:48,695
very fulsomely look at this and incorporated into the EOI.

1824
01:59:49,506 --> 01:59:51,965
Obviously that's coming back to council. Council will have the

1825
01:59:51,965 --> 01:59:54,925
final decision. So I, you know, I think I want

1826
01:59:54,925 --> 01:59:57,805
to put a finite point on that. Ultimately council will

1827
01:59:57,805 --> 02:00:01,325
decide. But yes, in our expression of interest, we will

1828
02:00:01,325 --> 02:00:06,261
include affordable housing. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Councillor Brune,

1829
02:00:06,261 --> 02:00:10,253
go ahead. Uh, thank you, Madam Mayor. Through you, first

1830
02:00:10,293 --> 02:00:12,733
of all, I wanted to thank Councillor Pachiriba and Councillor

1831
02:00:12,773 --> 02:00:15,693
Timmers for bringing this motion forward. Uh, the number of

1832
02:00:15,733 --> 02:00:18,953
us around the horseshoe that have sat on the, um,

1833
02:00:20,114 --> 02:00:23,853
in different iterations of the housing committee, I think going

1834
02:00:23,853 --> 02:00:29,487
back to 2017. So it's been a long time in

1835
02:00:29,487 --> 02:00:32,207
the process and I want to thank all the individuals

1836
02:00:32,247 --> 02:00:33,967
that are in the room and those that aren't in

1837
02:00:34,007 --> 02:00:38,207
the room that are waiving the flag for affordable housing,

1838
02:00:38,207 --> 02:00:42,937
um, throughout the community. Um, so through you, Madam Mayor.

1839
02:00:44,139 --> 02:00:49,238
Councillor Pachiriva, um, spoke to one of the things that

1840
02:00:49,259 --> 02:00:52,998
I wanted clarification on, uh, because I think there are

1841
02:00:53,038 --> 02:00:55,718
a number of people, uh, within the community that are

1842
02:00:55,758 --> 02:00:58,278
talking about the fact that the town should not be

1843
02:00:58,299 --> 02:01:02,758
building or operating affordable housing. So, um, suffice it to

1844
02:01:02,779 --> 02:01:06,678
say, uh, Mr. CAO that we are seeking operators and

1845
02:01:06,779 --> 02:01:08,818
partners and we are not builders and we are not

1846
02:01:08,859 --> 02:01:13,047
operators. Thank you, Madam Mayor, to the Councillor. That is

1847
02:01:13,047 --> 02:01:18,008
correct. Council. So through you, Madam Mayor, I just was

1848
02:01:18,008 --> 02:01:21,208
looking to see if the CAO or, or possibly Mr.

1849
02:01:21,248 --> 02:01:24,674
Brooder could clarify just one thing. You know, we have

1850
02:01:24,714 --> 02:01:28,034
heard since word got out that we purchased the land

1851
02:01:28,055 --> 02:01:32,034
from the DSBN, you know, that the town has financial

1852
02:01:32,055 --> 02:01:35,554
obligations. The land did not come free. Um, I think

1853
02:01:35,735 --> 02:01:39,154
we paid, I believe, 2. 85 million dollars or somewhere

1854
02:01:39,154 --> 02:01:42,114
in that vicinity. And we have an operating, uh, we

1855
02:01:42,154 --> 02:01:44,514
have a loan, which I believe has a five year

1856
02:01:44,514 --> 02:01:47,314
term. So we do have a commitment and we have,

1857
02:01:47,314 --> 02:01:49,874
um, you know, we have debt that we need to

1858
02:01:49,975 --> 02:01:53,394
repay. So through your metama, I'm just wondering if the

1859
02:01:53,434 --> 02:01:57,294
CAO, and I don't want this to interfere with, you

1860
02:01:57,294 --> 02:01:59,534
know, this motion in any way, shape or form. But

1861
02:01:59,534 --> 02:02:03,714
for clarity purposes, um, you know, there are a number

1862
02:02:03,714 --> 02:02:06,034
of objectives that we're trying to do here. We're trying

1863
02:02:06,034 --> 02:02:10,514
to, uh, ensure that, you know, the BDS as precinct,

1864
02:02:10,514 --> 02:02:13,154
uh, will, will be a site that we can make

1865
02:02:13,194 --> 02:02:16,674
sure serves the community for the long term. And it's

1866
02:02:16,674 --> 02:02:21,074
sustainable. Um, but there are people out there saying, you

1867
02:02:21,074 --> 02:02:24,834
know, when will the debt be identified and when will

1868
02:02:24,874 --> 02:02:28,514
the debt be repaid? So I'm wondering if either the

1869
02:02:28,554 --> 02:02:32,334
CO or, um, Mr. Brooder can speak to, you know,

1870
02:02:32,455 --> 02:02:36,434
whether these objectives, you know, can be working in parallel

1871
02:02:37,575 --> 02:02:42,194
or just how, um, the town of Lincoln, uh, will

1872
02:02:42,194 --> 02:02:47,752
be looking at this process moving forward. Mr. Kirkopoulos. Do

1873
02:02:47,752 --> 02:02:50,003
you, Madam Mayor, did the councillor. And I was asked

1874
02:02:50,003 --> 02:02:52,643
this question earlier today, Councillor, and my answer is the

1875
02:02:52,643 --> 02:02:56,323
same. Really, it's a concurrent train as I look at

1876
02:02:56,323 --> 02:03:00,083
it. Or two concurrent trains. They're not mutually exclusive. We

1877
02:03:00,264 --> 02:03:02,643
realise we've got a five year window in the time

1878
02:03:02,643 --> 02:03:06,723
on that five year window is progressing. We have a

1879
02:03:06,824 --> 02:03:12,483
2. 85 million dollar. It's a larger loan through IO,

1880
02:03:12,483 --> 02:03:15,523
of which we've used the 2. 85 plus some legal

1881
02:03:15,624 --> 02:03:18,643
fees. Uh, our priority is to pay that back. That

1882
02:03:18,643 --> 02:03:22,643
doesn't mean we can't be looking at a small portion.

1883
02:03:22,643 --> 02:03:25,123
Either of that site or the broader precinct. You hear

1884
02:03:25,123 --> 02:03:28,363
me using the word precinct because in that precinct, we

1885
02:03:28,363 --> 02:03:31,523
own other lands besides BDSS. And there are other vacant

1886
02:03:31,523 --> 02:03:33,843
lands. And so I don't think we should presuppose it's

1887
02:03:33,843 --> 02:03:36,243
just that site. We may want to look at what

1888
02:03:36,243 --> 02:03:39,523
the broader precinct and determine where and if something makes

1889
02:03:39,544 --> 02:03:43,123
sense in that particular area. So to answer your question,

1890
02:03:43,123 --> 02:03:46,643
those aren't mutually exclusive. We will continue to look and

1891
02:03:46,683 --> 02:03:49,843
ensure that our obligation to pay back, uh, that floating

1892
02:03:49,864 --> 02:03:53,683
loan through infrastructure on terrio. And for everyone that doesn't

1893
02:03:53,723 --> 02:03:59,203
know infrastructure, Ontario is not necessarily like your typical bank.

1894
02:03:59,203 --> 02:04:01,203
It's run by the, or it is an arm's length

1895
02:04:02,744 --> 02:04:05,203
kind of offshoot of the province of Ontario. And so

1896
02:04:05,243 --> 02:04:07,763
the rates at which we borrow money, uh, how those

1897
02:04:07,864 --> 02:04:10,163
are structured are very different. But I owe as the

1898
02:04:10,163 --> 02:04:12,403
lender of the money to us. We have a five

1899
02:04:12,504 --> 02:04:15,683
year window to pay it back. And that remains paramount.

1900
02:04:15,683 --> 02:04:18,683
And our number one priority. At the same time, we

1901
02:04:18,683 --> 02:04:22,243
need to look at the obligations. We have the commitments

1902
02:04:22,283 --> 02:04:25,283
to the community to build affordable housing. There's some opportunities

1903
02:04:25,304 --> 02:04:28,483
now with the federal government and the province of Ontario

1904
02:04:28,584 --> 02:04:31,763
to tap into particular funding. Um, we are doing a

1905
02:04:31,763 --> 02:04:35,523
lot of, you know, I would say work and analysis

1906
02:04:35,624 --> 02:04:38,383
right now to determine what type of provider, what's the

1907
02:04:38,383 --> 02:04:43,523
model look like talking to existing providers, both in Niagara

1908
02:04:43,523 --> 02:04:46,723
and outside of Niagara that have done this existing contractors

1909
02:04:46,824 --> 02:04:49,743
and trying to learn and ascertain what we do. And

1910
02:04:49,743 --> 02:04:53,163
so those aren't again, mutually exclusive. You know, that is

1911
02:04:53,163 --> 02:04:55,763
seem to be a confusing point out there for some

1912
02:04:55,763 --> 02:04:58,403
people that we need to do one versus the other.

1913
02:04:58,403 --> 02:05:00,883
That isn't the case. One will take a lot longer.

1914
02:05:00,883 --> 02:05:03,363
And we will look at, you know, parsing off that

1915
02:05:03,464 --> 02:05:05,523
site to pay back the, you know, the money that

1916
02:05:05,563 --> 02:05:13,536
we owe prior to the five year window. I do

1917
02:05:13,536 --> 02:05:15,536
see Director Bruder with his hand up. So he may

1918
02:05:15,576 --> 02:05:18,507
want to chime in. Go ahead, Mr. Brooder. Thank you,

1919
02:05:18,528 --> 02:05:20,627
Mayor Eason, through you to the Councillor. I just, I

1920
02:05:20,688 --> 02:05:23,387
wanted to just point out one other thing. Um, you

1921
02:05:23,387 --> 02:05:25,707
notice in the motion, we don't have any specific model

1922
02:05:25,707 --> 02:05:30,587
or any specific parameters necessarily affordable housing opportunities can take

1923
02:05:31,088 --> 02:05:34,267
very different shapes and forms a wide variety of them.

1924
02:05:34,267 --> 02:05:36,107
Um, when you take that in the context of the

1925
02:05:36,288 --> 02:05:39,867
available, um, vacant land there, we're talking about the vacant

1926
02:05:39,888 --> 02:05:43,227
piece alone probably around seven acres or so on those

1927
02:05:43,248 --> 02:05:45,947
lands. So I think really it presents, as our CIO

1928
02:05:45,987 --> 02:05:48,387
stated an opportunity to look at these things concurrently, I

1929
02:05:48,387 --> 02:05:51,067
don't think it's, it's one or the other, obviously priority

1930
02:05:51,107 --> 02:05:54,027
is dealing with the dead peace. But that doesn't presuppose

1931
02:05:54,067 --> 02:05:57,867
an opportunity still to manage to create an opportunity or

1932
02:05:57,907 --> 02:06:00,827
fit in an affordable housing project that we find viable.

1933
02:06:00,827 --> 02:06:04,549
So. Just want to clarify that point. Thank you very

1934
02:06:04,589 --> 02:06:09,858
much. Yeah. Just, just in, in wrapping up, you know,

1935
02:06:09,858 --> 02:06:13,378
I realise, you know, the complete transparency tonight. There's no

1936
02:06:13,418 --> 02:06:17,058
decision being made. The decision will be made by the

1937
02:06:17,159 --> 02:06:20,658
next council in the next term. Um, but I think

1938
02:06:20,658 --> 02:06:25,298
this is an important step. Um, and, uh, I hope

1939
02:06:25,338 --> 02:06:28,738
that the two proponents of this motion will be asking

1940
02:06:28,759 --> 02:06:31,778
for a recorded vote. I think it's important that we

1941
02:06:31,879 --> 02:06:34,178
note that, uh, and I will be supporting this. Thank

1942
02:06:34,218 --> 02:06:43,601
you, Madam Mayor. Moving on now to Councillor Mikkelik. Thank

1943
02:06:43,601 --> 02:06:49,921
you very much. Um, through you to staff through you

1944
02:06:49,961 --> 02:06:53,638
two, uh, Councillor Pachiriva. What I'm looking at their where

1945
02:06:53,659 --> 02:06:58,178
as is, um, as Councillor Brunet mentioned, like, you know,

1946
02:06:58,219 --> 02:07:02,358
I've sat on this, um, board as well. This committee

1947
02:07:02,358 --> 02:07:05,874
as well. Once upon a time and back then, we

1948
02:07:05,895 --> 02:07:09,474
looked at a number of properties that we had owned

1949
02:07:09,575 --> 02:07:13,874
at the time. These were, we were looking at surplus

1950
02:07:13,895 --> 02:07:18,345
lands. That's where can we do something like that? You

1951
02:07:18,345 --> 02:07:20,105
know, what sort of thing? So when I'm looking at

1952
02:07:20,145 --> 02:07:23,705
this where as and strategic use of surplus municipal lands,

1953
02:07:23,705 --> 02:07:26,985
I feel like the use of the word surplus in

1954
02:07:26,985 --> 02:07:33,650
this instance is devaluing the land that we acquired. It

1955
02:07:33,650 --> 02:07:36,610
was never surplus. It was purchased. So I'm just wondering

1956
02:07:37,351 --> 02:07:41,010
if that use of the word surplus should be in

1957
02:07:41,010 --> 02:07:46,370
this whereas. Because typically whereas is our standard whereas is

1958
02:07:46,391 --> 02:07:49,250
where in this case, uh, the use of the word

1959
02:07:49,431 --> 02:07:54,543
surplus, which this land was wired. And paid for with

1960
02:07:54,884 --> 02:07:55,103
debt.

1961
02:08:10,536 --> 02:08:15,979
Back. End. Okay. Thank you. Um, through you, your worship

1962
02:08:16,019 --> 02:08:19,339
to Councillor Mickluck. The reason why surpluses is in there

1963
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:21,979
is because when, uh, Council Timers and I first brought

1964
02:08:21,979 --> 02:08:27,559
this motion forward back last year, it was looking, um,

1965
02:08:27,600 --> 02:08:31,583
we were looking at the BDSS site specifically. And then

1966
02:08:32,164 --> 02:08:36,383
from listening to council, they said, look at the precinct.

1967
02:08:36,756 --> 02:08:40,735
So the precinct is everything from the Lincoln Centre around

1968
02:08:41,076 --> 02:08:44,710
to Bombery Park. So some of those lands are in

1969
02:08:44,710 --> 02:08:48,550
essence surplus. That's why that word is in there. And

1970
02:08:50,971 --> 02:08:53,830
around context, I don't want to get into a discussion

1971
02:08:53,931 --> 02:08:58,390
where we go around and round and around and wordsmith.

1972
02:08:58,390 --> 02:09:00,710
I think if the intent is there and we were,

1973
02:09:00,750 --> 02:09:03,190
we worked with staff Councillor Timbers and I to be

1974
02:09:03,190 --> 02:09:06,630
really strategic on this to have it open - ended.

1975
02:09:06,630 --> 02:09:10,397
So that's why that word's there. So it's not devaluing

1976
02:09:11,058 --> 02:09:15,732
the school property itself. But it's going from corner to

1977
02:09:15,772 --> 02:09:23,432
corner. PONO. I'm going to ask Mr. Kropo is to

1978
02:09:23,472 --> 02:09:25,912
comment on this as well. Go ahead. I threw you,

1979
02:09:25,912 --> 02:09:29,192
Madam Mayor. And thanks for the opportunity, Councillor, or Madam

1980
02:09:29,192 --> 02:09:32,707
Mayor. And to you, councillor. Just a point of clarification.

1981
02:09:32,728 --> 02:09:35,267
The process that we undertake in order to sell land

1982
02:09:35,368 --> 02:09:38,307
or transfer land is something that we refer to as

1983
02:09:38,648 --> 02:09:41,187
declaring it surplus so that we can then sell that

1984
02:09:41,208 --> 02:09:44,787
particular land. So it's not necessarily anything with respect to

1985
02:09:44,888 --> 02:09:47,727
devaluing the land or how the land was acquired. But

1986
02:09:47,727 --> 02:09:52,147
rather a way that municipalities under the municipal act are

1987
02:09:52,187 --> 02:09:55,907
able to consider the sale or transfer of municipal land.

1988
02:09:55,907 --> 02:09:58,387
So it needs to be declared surplus. And then we

1989
02:09:58,488 --> 02:10:01,587
are able to transfer that. So, uh, I don't want

1990
02:10:01,627 --> 02:10:03,747
you to think that in any way this devalues the

1991
02:10:03,787 --> 02:10:08,067
land or somehow, um, looks at the land, uh, any

1992
02:10:08,067 --> 02:10:10,467
less than it is, uh, and at the end of

1993
02:10:10,467 --> 02:10:13,427
the day, um, puts us in a negative position. It's

1994
02:10:13,427 --> 02:10:19,420
just the municipal act wording that is required. By my

1995
02:10:19,420 --> 02:10:21,700
mind. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you for that clarification. I

1996
02:10:21,700 --> 02:10:24,940
just, I just remember back in the day we were,

1997
02:10:24,980 --> 02:10:28,060
we were like excited. We were hoping we were one

1998
02:10:28,060 --> 02:10:29,420
of the pillars. It was one of the reasons why

1999
02:10:29,521 --> 02:10:34,847
we acquired that, uh, BDSS site, you know. And we

2000
02:10:34,868 --> 02:10:38,367
had surplus land, but we couldn't find any surplus land

2001
02:10:38,407 --> 02:10:42,127
suitable at that time. Another question I have through you,

2002
02:10:42,127 --> 02:10:47,247
um, either Councillor Patriva or our CAO is in the

2003
02:10:47,268 --> 02:10:50,927
where eyes, in the final whereas staff have commenced preliminary

2004
02:10:51,668 --> 02:10:56,687
analysis and discussions, including mapping out expressions of interest regarding

2005
02:10:56,868 --> 02:11:00,927
the feasibility of incorporating affordable housing. Where are we with

2006
02:11:00,967 --> 02:11:05,007
this? We've, we've owned the property for a year and

2007
02:11:05,007 --> 02:11:08,047
a half now, um, we've known that we were going

2008
02:11:08,047 --> 02:11:11,167
to acquire the property for a year prior to that.

2009
02:11:12,936 --> 02:11:18,355
We were taking a run at acquiring prior to having

2010
02:11:19,576 --> 02:11:24,614
the memorandum of understanding MOU. For probably, you know, we

2011
02:11:24,654 --> 02:11:26,534
were talking about a kicking the can for two years

2012
02:11:26,555 --> 02:11:31,018
prior to that. Where are we realistically with this, um,

2013
02:11:31,299 --> 02:11:34,478
mapping out of an expression of interest. When can we

2014
02:11:34,478 --> 02:11:40,281
actually expect this. Go ahead, Mr. C. A. POULO. Through

2015
02:11:40,281 --> 02:11:42,281
you, Madam Mayor, to the Councillor, I'll start and turn

2016
02:11:42,281 --> 02:11:44,441
it over to Matt. And I know, um, you know,

2017
02:11:44,622 --> 02:11:47,721
Matt's been working on the various planning items and the

2018
02:11:47,761 --> 02:11:50,361
specifics in terms of some of the modelling and identifying

2019
02:11:51,422 --> 02:11:53,701
the site and what that site would look like. Um,

2020
02:11:53,701 --> 02:11:56,361
but a lot of that analysis is just that councillor,

2021
02:11:56,361 --> 02:11:58,601
uh, we are looking at the site. You're right. We've

2022
02:11:58,641 --> 02:12:02,921
had the site since January of 2025 in our hands.

2023
02:12:02,921 --> 02:12:05,241
Um, there were a number of processes that the school

2024
02:12:05,281 --> 02:12:07,401
board needed to go to. We've been doing a lot

2025
02:12:07,401 --> 02:12:09,641
of engagement since then. I'm not going to rehash the

2026
02:12:09,662 --> 02:12:15,001
presentation from two months ago as it relates to BDSS.

2027
02:12:15,001 --> 02:12:16,901
And, you know, the broader precinct and some of our

2028
02:12:16,901 --> 02:12:20,281
actions other than to say, uh, that we are working

2029
02:12:20,302 --> 02:12:22,441
on that EOI. And it will be ready probably the

2030
02:12:22,441 --> 02:12:25,161
first thing that the new council will look at the

2031
02:12:25,161 --> 02:12:27,161
minute you're sworn in, uh, and we have a few

2032
02:12:27,342 --> 02:12:28,981
dates in front of you. That'll be one of the

2033
02:12:28,981 --> 02:12:31,561
first things that we bring forward. Uh, but I'll turn

2034
02:12:31,601 --> 02:12:34,361
to Director Brewer on more of the specifics or the

2035
02:12:34,401 --> 02:12:40,730
mechanics of that EOI. PONO Mr. Berter. Through Mayor East

2036
02:12:40,730 --> 02:12:43,850
into the Councillor. Yeah. Just in addition to what our

2037
02:12:43,890 --> 02:12:45,890
CAO just said, um, we've also had some kind of

2038
02:12:46,591 --> 02:12:51,050
some important kind of foundational discussions with, uh, Niger Regional

2039
02:12:51,090 --> 02:12:54,970
Housing. They've been involved in other kind of opportunities structures

2040
02:12:54,970 --> 02:12:58,930
of agreements and whatnot, um, with other providers, I think

2041
02:12:58,930 --> 02:13:00,970
of something like port cares and trying to model after

2042
02:13:00,991 --> 02:13:03,530
something like that. So we've had these preliminary discussions already

2043
02:13:03,871 --> 02:13:05,850
to understand how it works. There's a lot of moving

2044
02:13:05,951 --> 02:13:09,130
parts, especially as you heard earlier. We're not, we're not

2045
02:13:09,151 --> 02:13:12,490
landlords here. Our role is mostly the land. So then

2046
02:13:12,490 --> 02:13:14,330
you have to figure out, okay, you have to have

2047
02:13:14,370 --> 02:13:18,330
a contractor. You've got to have an operator and so

2048
02:13:18,330 --> 02:13:19,930
on and so on. And we've had discussions with all

2049
02:13:19,970 --> 02:13:23,850
of these. Um, with the purpose of ensuring that the

2050
02:13:23,871 --> 02:13:26,330
information we get from those is what we can show

2051
02:13:26,511 --> 02:13:28,770
in the EOI that we bring back to council. So

2052
02:13:28,770 --> 02:13:33,210
we've had many of those discussions. They're productive. There is,

2053
02:13:33,210 --> 02:13:35,210
there's a lot of good partners and staff working at

2054
02:13:35,231 --> 02:13:37,370
Niger Regional Housing. We've been in contact with them on

2055
02:13:37,471 --> 02:13:40,470
and off, um, for quite a while now. So, um,

2056
02:13:40,911 --> 02:13:43,050
as our CAO said, we expect to come back early

2057
02:13:43,090 --> 02:13:48,197
in the new term. PONO. Thank you very much. And

2058
02:13:48,197 --> 02:13:52,597
then finally my third question. I don't think any of

2059
02:13:52,637 --> 02:13:57,877
them have been pretty pointed. But, um, when we talk

2060
02:13:57,898 --> 02:14:03,797
about, um, searching for a, you know, acquiring a proper

2061
02:14:04,458 --> 02:14:09,397
suitable sort of partner with all of this, how are

2062
02:14:09,397 --> 02:14:12,917
we going to determine what makes what looks like a

2063
02:14:12,917 --> 02:14:15,637
good partner? What sort of matrix are we going to

2064
02:14:15,658 --> 02:14:19,171
do? Who's going to make that decision. Let me try

2065
02:14:19,211 --> 02:14:22,531
to ask 15 questions in one. But like how, how

2066
02:14:22,552 --> 02:14:25,811
are we going to, how are we going to determine

2067
02:14:26,632 --> 02:14:32,118
like differentiate a tire kicker, a dreamer and endure. Who's

2068
02:14:32,118 --> 02:14:35,238
going to make these sorts of challenging decisions when we're

2069
02:14:35,238 --> 02:14:38,638
talking about municipal land that has a value to, it

2070
02:14:38,638 --> 02:14:42,826
has a cost to it moving down the road. It's

2071
02:14:42,826 --> 02:14:44,906
just a matter of you've been dreaming on this for

2072
02:14:45,007 --> 02:14:50,104
a while. A little bigger warship and through you to

2073
02:14:50,104 --> 02:14:53,544
the councillor. You know, when we look at structuring the

2074
02:14:53,584 --> 02:14:56,504
EOI moving forward, I think, you know, there's, that's the

2075
02:14:56,605 --> 02:14:58,824
important piece. It's going to have to be the evaluation

2076
02:14:59,005 --> 02:15:02,424
criteria. There's probably going to be, you know, a scoring

2077
02:15:02,424 --> 02:15:04,184
system, a waiting system. It's going to be based on

2078
02:15:04,205 --> 02:15:08,584
maybe experience of service providers and contractors that apply. Maybe

2079
02:15:08,584 --> 02:15:10,344
it's going to be based on a performa that they're

2080
02:15:10,384 --> 02:15:13,384
able to provide in support of their application. It's all

2081
02:15:13,384 --> 02:15:16,344
about the quality of the application and demonstrating that there's

2082
02:15:16,344 --> 02:15:18,724
an ability not just to undertake the initial works, but

2083
02:15:18,724 --> 02:15:21,524
also see the project through from start to finish. Um,

2084
02:15:21,725 --> 02:15:25,864
as for who's making those decisions, uh, I think there

2085
02:15:25,904 --> 02:15:28,584
probably needs to be a little bit more discussion there.

2086
02:15:28,584 --> 02:15:31,464
Um, haven't quite mapped out exactly what that looks like

2087
02:15:31,565 --> 02:15:33,704
yet. But again, it's going to be something when we

2088
02:15:33,805 --> 02:15:36,584
have an EOI completed that council is going to see.

2089
02:15:36,584 --> 02:15:39,304
And they're going to be obviously involved in that decision

2090
02:15:39,344 --> 02:15:41,544
as well before we go forward with it. But again,

2091
02:15:41,805 --> 02:15:45,064
that EOI, in my opinion, anyway, will include some structure

2092
02:15:45,165 --> 02:15:48,104
and some scoring criteria and waiting as it pertains to

2093
02:15:48,285 --> 02:15:51,144
affordable housing. So we can evaluate a provider based on

2094
02:15:51,144 --> 02:15:58,932
their track record. Um, and previous experience. PON. Thank you.

2095
02:15:58,932 --> 02:16:00,612
And appreciate that answer. I think that's going to be

2096
02:16:00,713 --> 02:16:02,772
a significant piece to this. I think that's going to

2097
02:16:02,793 --> 02:16:07,332
be extremely important to get anything over the finish line

2098
02:16:07,593 --> 02:16:11,632
or even anything to the starting lines. So, and, you

2099
02:16:11,632 --> 02:16:14,132
know, with, it's looking like this is going to be

2100
02:16:14,132 --> 02:16:16,612
at least three, four months from now. And then maybe

2101
02:16:16,652 --> 02:16:20,048
another. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, you know,

2102
02:16:21,049 --> 02:16:23,828
I'm not getting ready myself if I get reelected for

2103
02:16:23,868 --> 02:16:26,388
any sort of ribbon cuttings too soon. So I want

2104
02:16:26,388 --> 02:16:29,668
to make sure everybody here is patient with this that

2105
02:16:29,668 --> 02:16:33,108
it doesn't happen that quickly. The fact that we're even

2106
02:16:33,108 --> 02:16:38,370
here, I think is pretty remarkable. Thank you. Thank you

2107
02:16:38,391 --> 02:16:42,930
very much, Councillor. I'd like to hear from the CAO.

2108
02:16:43,031 --> 02:16:44,930
Do you matter Mayor to the Councillor? I mean, one

2109
02:16:44,930 --> 02:16:47,250
of the things I just want to echo is that,

2110
02:16:47,250 --> 02:16:51,330
um, council ultimately will be making a decision. We did

2111
02:16:51,330 --> 02:16:54,930
talk about bringing the UI back sharing that with council,

2112
02:16:54,930 --> 02:16:57,970
uh, in the term in terms of who often assesses

2113
02:16:58,231 --> 02:17:00,610
matrices. I mean, usually that's a staff team that we

2114
02:17:00,610 --> 02:17:04,690
put together as well as external, uh, expertise or external

2115
02:17:05,671 --> 02:17:11,170
consultants, uh, external, um, individuals, contractors, whatever it may be.

2116
02:17:11,210 --> 02:17:13,970
I know we've met with a few. Some is recently

2117
02:17:14,311 --> 02:17:16,830
as this week. Um, if I look at, you know,

2118
02:17:17,111 --> 02:17:21,570
affordable housing projects and feasibility assessment matrices, uh, I have

2119
02:17:21,570 --> 02:17:24,210
one from the region, uh, that I've just pulled up

2120
02:17:24,311 --> 02:17:26,290
in front of me. And, you know, just to give

2121
02:17:26,290 --> 02:17:28,930
you an idea of assessment areas that we look at,

2122
02:17:28,930 --> 02:17:34,774
things like affordability and community benefit, financial feasibility. Municipal, financial

2123
02:17:34,875 --> 02:17:40,934
impact, planning and site feasibility, deliverability and readiness, infrastructure and

2124
02:17:40,974 --> 02:17:45,014
servicing long - term affordability and developer capacity and risk.

2125
02:17:45,014 --> 02:17:47,494
So I want to put your mind at ease councillor,

2126
02:17:47,494 --> 02:17:50,134
or at least reassure members of council who may be

2127
02:17:50,715 --> 02:17:53,014
having a similar thoughts, that the number of things that

2128
02:17:53,054 --> 02:17:56,214
would go into that, um, and then this suggested weights

2129
02:17:56,214 --> 02:17:57,814
that we have with each of those in order to

2130
02:17:57,814 --> 02:18:01,094
make that particular assessment. So, um, we will be in

2131
02:18:01,094 --> 02:18:03,174
front of you again, as I said, uh, with more

2132
02:18:03,214 --> 02:18:05,254
information as we move forward. But this is a key

2133
02:18:05,275 --> 02:18:12,592
step in moving, um, an affordability housing project forward. Thank

2134
02:18:12,592 --> 02:18:15,792
you very much, Mr. Grakopoulos. We'll move on now to

2135
02:18:16,133 --> 02:18:19,712
Councillor Murray. Go ahead, Councillor. Thank you very much, Mayor

2136
02:18:19,712 --> 02:18:26,032
Easton. Through you to potentially, um, our, our, our colleague

2137
02:18:26,213 --> 02:18:28,912
who has moved this motion or perhaps to our CAO.

2138
02:18:30,452 --> 02:18:34,031
I think that the issue of Affordable housing is important.

2139
02:18:34,031 --> 02:18:36,111
I think nobody in this room doesn't believe that that's

2140
02:18:36,111 --> 02:18:38,671
true. And I think we all believe that the availability

2141
02:18:38,711 --> 02:18:41,871
of all levels of housing in our community is what

2142
02:18:42,052 --> 02:18:47,471
creates a whole vibrant and healthy community. However, everybody else

2143
02:18:47,492 --> 02:18:51,471
in this room also knows that our municipal revenue systems,

2144
02:18:51,471 --> 02:18:54,191
as in property tax levy, are not designed to fund

2145
02:18:54,212 --> 02:18:56,511
projects like this. Now I recognise that we're not talking

2146
02:18:56,551 --> 02:19:00,591
about funding a project. However, this is a regional provincial

2147
02:19:01,012 --> 02:19:04,831
and even federal mandate. And they have revenue streams that

2148
02:19:04,932 --> 02:19:07,951
are not tied directly to property values that are better

2149
02:19:07,972 --> 02:19:11,391
suited for funding a project like this. So then what

2150
02:19:11,412 --> 02:19:15,231
can we as municipality do? It's in this motion in

2151
02:19:15,231 --> 02:19:18,991
that, um, we can promote affordable housing by removing barriers

2152
02:19:19,572 --> 02:19:23,311
by working to develop partnerships by providing opportunities and by

2153
02:19:23,351 --> 02:19:26,111
advocating to other levels of government, which we have already

2154
02:19:26,212 --> 02:19:29,951
done and which we have already committed to continue doing.

2155
02:19:29,991 --> 02:19:33,231
So everybody at this table has already said on more

2156
02:19:33,271 --> 02:19:36,511
than one occasion that the BDSS precinct is our best

2157
02:19:36,852 --> 02:19:40,011
and brightest opportunity for Affordable Housing in our Town. And

2158
02:19:40,011 --> 02:19:42,591
that if we miss this opportunity, we have made a

2159
02:19:42,591 --> 02:19:45,071
big mistake. We've all said that. That's not news to

2160
02:19:45,071 --> 02:19:49,391
any of us. So staff have already initiated tasks like

2161
02:19:49,431 --> 02:19:53,231
talking with potential partners. Affordable housing has consistently been a

2162
02:19:53,231 --> 02:19:55,231
part of our conversations around what's going to happen with

2163
02:19:55,271 --> 02:20:00,991
this site. An EOI regarding a feasibility has already commenced.

2164
02:20:00,991 --> 02:20:04,351
That's, that's in this, that's in this motion. So then

2165
02:20:04,391 --> 02:20:06,351
I have two points, two questions that I'd like to

2166
02:20:06,351 --> 02:20:08,751
ask. First of all, is I'm not sure that I

2167
02:20:08,772 --> 02:20:14,031
understand why now, why this? And by that I mean,

2168
02:20:14,031 --> 02:20:16,271
we're already doing everything that this motion is asking for.

2169
02:20:16,271 --> 02:20:18,951
We have committed. We are, we are moving forward. We

2170
02:20:18,951 --> 02:20:22,351
have talked with partners. We are already committed to advocating

2171
02:20:22,532 --> 02:20:24,431
at other levels of government. So everything that you're asking

2172
02:20:24,532 --> 02:20:28,111
us to do in this motion has already been initiated.

2173
02:20:28,111 --> 02:20:31,814
So I don't understand. What this motion creates or achieves

2174
02:20:32,075 --> 02:20:35,414
that isn't already in place. And then the second piece,

2175
02:20:35,414 --> 02:20:38,034
which is maybe a second question or part of the

2176
02:20:38,034 --> 02:20:42,934
same is we have to recognise that although this is

2177
02:20:42,974 --> 02:20:45,574
our land, land has a cost. And there's an opportunity

2178
02:20:45,915 --> 02:20:48,854
cost for using this land for affordable housing instead of

2179
02:20:48,955 --> 02:20:51,894
for another project. And that's fine. I think it's important

2180
02:20:52,715 --> 02:20:55,174
that that's where we're using our funding for. But how

2181
02:20:55,174 --> 02:20:58,134
do we anticipate offsetting that cost so that it's not

2182
02:20:58,315 --> 02:21:01,894
downloaded onto the municipal taxpayer because we've already said our

2183
02:21:01,915 --> 02:21:05,251
system isn't designed to do that. Okay. I'm going to

2184
02:21:05,552 --> 02:21:09,771
start with the CAO because there's policy issues here that

2185
02:21:09,811 --> 02:21:13,771
we should clarify. And then if it's necessary, we'll see

2186
02:21:13,792 --> 02:21:18,742
what, um, the mover and seconder have to say. Go

2187
02:21:18,742 --> 02:21:22,382
ahead. Through you, Madam Mayor. And I'm probably going to

2188
02:21:22,923 --> 02:21:26,902
push it back to Councillor Pachiriva because from everything you've

2189
02:21:26,902 --> 02:21:28,822
said, you're absolutely correct. We've begun a lot of that

2190
02:21:28,923 --> 02:21:34,670
work. Uh, emotion and the political nature of motions. And

2191
02:21:34,691 --> 02:21:37,630
what we've seen around this table on numerous occasions where

2192
02:21:37,630 --> 02:21:40,750
Council wants to actually draw a line in the sand

2193
02:21:40,931 --> 02:21:44,270
and put something forward is something that you all do.

2194
02:21:44,270 --> 02:21:46,270
Uh, we take that direction and we move forward on

2195
02:21:46,310 --> 02:21:51,070
it. But you're absolutely correct, Councillor, that, um, we are

2196
02:21:51,070 --> 02:21:52,990
beginning a lot of that feasibility work. Do I need

2197
02:21:52,990 --> 02:21:55,870
direction to do feasibility work? No. But oftentimes you direct

2198
02:21:55,891 --> 02:21:57,150
me to do a lot of things. I don't need

2199
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:59,950
direction for, uh, but you do it because I think

2200
02:21:59,971 --> 02:22:04,190
Council wants to put a finite marker forward and you

2201
02:22:04,230 --> 02:22:05,950
want to show that you have a level of commitment

2202
02:22:05,990 --> 02:22:09,150
towards something. And so I think the nature of this

2203
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:13,630
type of conversation, the importance of it. Sometimes the diametrically

2204
02:22:13,651 --> 02:22:16,510
opposed views that we often find with projects that are

2205
02:22:16,510 --> 02:22:18,910
a little more contentious. It means Council wants to be

2206
02:22:18,950 --> 02:22:22,030
taking some of these steps. There are certain things legislatively

2207
02:22:22,211 --> 02:22:25,790
as the mayor said that Council will have to have

2208
02:22:25,891 --> 02:22:28,030
a say in in terms of when we start looking

2209
02:22:28,051 --> 02:22:32,110
at, uh, the disposition of land, the declaration of land

2210
02:22:32,150 --> 02:22:36,350
being surplus, how much land, um, what sort of rebates

2211
02:22:36,531 --> 02:22:40,590
potentially we get into with affordable housing providers. And by

2212
02:22:40,630 --> 02:22:43,950
rebates, I mean, you know, the town becomes a conduit

2213
02:22:43,990 --> 02:22:47,470
between the region that actually provides the funding and a

2214
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:50,590
particular builder in order to do that. There's 25 year

2215
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:52,590
agreements that need to be in place and so forth

2216
02:22:53,331 --> 02:22:55,550
that often happens. So it's not money coming from the

2217
02:22:55,651 --> 02:22:59,470
town per se, but it is regional services, regional supports.

2218
02:22:59,470 --> 02:23:03,870
Um, if we're out there advocating publicly, uh, sometimes having

2219
02:23:03,910 --> 02:23:06,890
direction from council is an important piece of that. Uh,

2220
02:23:06,890 --> 02:23:08,750
so that we're not just out there talking about a

2221
02:23:08,771 --> 02:23:12,110
particular project without that council backing. But I'll look to

2222
02:23:12,131 --> 02:23:15,310
Councillor PACHARIVA if he wants that. Why he feels the

2223
02:23:15,331 --> 02:23:18,670
motion is needed now. Notwithstanding, we're doing the work already.

2224
02:23:21,612 --> 02:23:24,631
Go ahead, Councillor Patrick. Yeah. Thanks to worship. And I

2225
02:23:24,631 --> 02:23:27,431
think first and foremost, it closes the loop on the

2226
02:23:27,612 --> 02:23:31,191
first notice of motion. Councillor Timmers and I brought May

2227
02:23:31,692 --> 02:23:38,071
26, 2025. That night council was not comfortable because our

2228
02:23:38,092 --> 02:23:42,997
CAO and our Director of Planning weren't here. So like

2229
02:23:43,037 --> 02:23:49,142
the CAO said work is driven by motion. And we

2230
02:23:49,182 --> 02:23:52,342
thought it's important that it comes back. Uh, there's been

2231
02:23:53,163 --> 02:23:57,462
groundswell in the community of Affordable Housing Lincoln of the

2232
02:23:57,502 --> 02:24:02,182
work of our housing select committee. It provides validation to

2233
02:24:02,283 --> 02:24:06,502
the work of not only this term, but when Council

2234
02:24:06,523 --> 02:24:10,502
Bernet and Councillor Mickeluck and Council Rinchamora on there going

2235
02:24:10,502 --> 02:24:15,062
back to 2017, right? It's some momentum and momentum is

2236
02:24:15,062 --> 02:24:19,222
now growing. And the time to close all this and

2237
02:24:19,262 --> 02:24:23,936
make it formal. Is now. And your second point about

2238
02:24:24,437 --> 02:24:29,316
opportunity cost. I'm the biggest, and that's why we included

2239
02:24:29,577 --> 02:24:32,196
precinct. That was the big thing that came out of

2240
02:24:32,236 --> 02:24:35,796
that night was the word precinct. Don't tie your hands

2241
02:24:35,836 --> 02:24:39,236
on the BDSS site. Allow it to go from the

2242
02:24:39,577 --> 02:24:43,636
Lincoln Centre around to Bombery Park. I'm the biggest blue

2243
02:24:43,657 --> 02:24:48,774
sky are in the world. I can dream in technicolor.

2244
02:24:48,774 --> 02:24:52,214
And what I potentially would love to see is something

2245
02:24:52,555 --> 02:24:58,454
similar to the Legion in Portugalzi. So maybe it's the,

2246
02:24:58,454 --> 02:25:04,454
um, senior centre on central that's redone because it's getting,

2247
02:25:04,454 --> 02:25:06,934
you know, that it needs work. And the housing goes

2248
02:25:06,974 --> 02:25:12,642
on top. So then your opportunity cost is zero. Because

2249
02:25:12,682 --> 02:25:15,442
it's not using up any land. So that's, that's why

2250
02:25:15,463 --> 02:25:18,162
this is so open - ended. And that's why maybe

2251
02:25:18,823 --> 02:25:22,562
these, these expressions of interest hopefully will shake some trees

2252
02:25:23,623 --> 02:25:27,602
and have someone come with something thought - provoking that

2253
02:25:27,863 --> 02:25:31,530
may be can solve two or three issues. So Councillor,

2254
02:25:31,791 --> 02:25:37,520
that's why now, and that's the opportunity cost. So thank

2255
02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:43,200
you. Thank you, Wish. Thank you. Mr. Kirkopoulis has a

2256
02:25:43,301 --> 02:25:47,080
response. And then Councillor Murray still has the floor. So

2257
02:25:47,080 --> 02:25:48,960
we'll be going back to her. Through you, Madam Mayor

2258
02:25:48,960 --> 02:25:51,760
and I apologise, Councillor. I didn't answer your opportunity, cost

2259
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:54,240
question. I just focused on the first part of that.

2260
02:25:54,901 --> 02:25:56,400
You know, I'm not going to pretend otherwise that there

2261
02:25:56,440 --> 02:25:59,040
is in value and an opportunity cost to land that

2262
02:25:59,040 --> 02:26:02,000
could be sold at fire market value. And we know

2263
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:06,960
what potentially fair market value looks like in there. Obviously,

2264
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:10,560
um, reducing that cost or eliminating it completely for affordable

2265
02:26:10,600 --> 02:26:13,360
housing does have a cost to it. But I think

2266
02:26:13,360 --> 02:26:16,400
the question is what creates the long - term value

2267
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:19,520
for the community. And oftentimes, uh, just in a conversation

2268
02:26:19,541 --> 02:26:22,640
this morning, uh, with someone who's in this particular realm

2269
02:26:22,661 --> 02:26:25,760
who does a lot of the construction, you know, you

2270
02:26:25,760 --> 02:26:27,560
need to look, we do a lot of things, as

2271
02:26:27,560 --> 02:26:29,740
you've heard me say on a number of occasions, uh,

2272
02:26:29,861 --> 02:26:33,520
that don't necessarily either break even or generate the most

2273
02:26:34,501 --> 02:26:38,720
revenue for what we do. I couldn't operate ice rinks

2274
02:26:38,821 --> 02:26:41,120
and arenas at what it costs me to recoup the

2275
02:26:41,160 --> 02:26:43,680
dollars that it costs on a per hour basis. I'd

2276
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:46,560
have this room more full than it is tonight if

2277
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:49,440
I wanted to increase them and recoup the dollars similarly

2278
02:26:49,480 --> 02:26:52,160
for libraries and a number of other services. Now some

2279
02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:53,920
people will not and say, well, yeah, those have been

2280
02:26:53,920 --> 02:26:56,960
around a long time and they're the traditional services municipalities

2281
02:26:58,341 --> 02:27:01,440
provide, but 300 and change to operate an hour of

2282
02:27:01,480 --> 02:27:04,960
ice versus the 175 I charge. You start seeing how

2283
02:27:05,381 --> 02:27:07,920
there's definitely a discrepancy in that. So I think the

2284
02:27:07,941 --> 02:27:10,320
question council needs to look at is how do we

2285
02:27:10,320 --> 02:27:12,880
create long - term value in the community? And sometimes

2286
02:27:12,880 --> 02:27:16,560
we have to put these types of value propositions forward

2287
02:27:16,821 --> 02:27:19,200
and how these types of value conversations. So that's how

2288
02:27:19,301 --> 02:27:21,920
I'd answer. I think that, um, that opportunity cost question.

2289
02:27:25,560 --> 02:27:28,579
Murray, you're a floor. Thank you. Um, I appreciate those

2290
02:27:28,680 --> 02:27:31,939
answers. I appreciate the fulsomeness of the thought that's gone

2291
02:27:31,960 --> 02:27:35,219
into this motion as well as the work over the

2292
02:27:35,219 --> 02:27:37,379
last three years or two and a half years after

2293
02:27:38,200 --> 02:27:40,179
we first of all discuss purchasing it. And then after

2294
02:27:40,219 --> 02:27:43,939
purchasing, I would also just want to suggest to Councillor

2295
02:27:43,979 --> 02:27:46,339
Pachirima that the previous motion that was considered before this

2296
02:27:46,440 --> 02:27:48,579
was, was quite a bit different than this motion as

2297
02:27:48,579 --> 02:27:51,839
well. So I just want to clarify too that, um,

2298
02:27:52,200 --> 02:27:54,179
one of the reasons I feel like that motion didn't

2299
02:27:54,219 --> 02:27:56,899
move forward was perhaps because it hadn't evolved as much

2300
02:27:56,939 --> 02:28:00,639
as this one had. Um, and, and then also, um,

2301
02:28:01,240 --> 02:28:04,019
you know, the idea of it costs to create a

2302
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:08,399
community service and that we all need to support, um,

2303
02:28:08,840 --> 02:28:11,699
the better societal good. I'm on board with that. I

2304
02:28:11,720 --> 02:28:13,219
agree with it. But I think we just need to

2305
02:28:13,259 --> 02:28:17,139
be really cognizant and aware of what we have, what

2306
02:28:17,179 --> 02:28:20,639
we are agreeing to pay for. And that's fine. And

2307
02:28:20,760 --> 02:28:23,539
it's, it's good. Um, but, but let's go into it

2308
02:28:23,579 --> 02:28:26,259
with our eyes wide open. That's just pretty much where

2309
02:28:26,299 --> 02:28:28,339
I, where I wanted to go with that. Thank you.

2310
02:28:28,861 --> 02:28:32,040
Okay. Thank you very much Council Murray. And I would

2311
02:28:32,040 --> 02:28:39,560
add to that, that unfortunately we can look, um, many

2312
02:28:39,581 --> 02:28:44,996
municipalities in Niagara and find real data. On how much

2313
02:28:45,017 --> 02:28:52,036
it is costing them to survive through encampments. And they

2314
02:28:52,217 --> 02:28:56,836
can certainly identify the costs. And they are overwhelming. Our

2315
02:28:56,876 --> 02:29:00,596
opportunity costs would be gone out to the window in

2316
02:29:00,596 --> 02:29:03,762
no time. And those are real numbers that are out

2317
02:29:03,802 --> 02:29:08,299
there well documented. So thank you for your question. Councillor

2318
02:29:08,339 --> 02:29:12,247
Russell. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Very quickly, um, again, I

2319
02:29:12,247 --> 02:29:15,487
like the open endedness of this motion. Um, again, I

2320
02:29:15,487 --> 02:29:17,287
think it does, uh, again, give us a lot of

2321
02:29:17,308 --> 02:29:21,027
flexibility. Again, at least the next term does when, uh,

2322
02:29:21,308 --> 02:29:25,127
they make, uh, that decision. My only question is again,

2323
02:29:25,167 --> 02:29:29,047
when it comes to the reservation point, um, to the

2324
02:29:29,047 --> 02:29:31,927
RCAO, do you think that when we get to that

2325
02:29:31,927 --> 02:29:35,127
point of making the reservation and actually starting to think

2326
02:29:35,127 --> 02:29:37,367
about the land itself, are we going to put a

2327
02:29:37,548 --> 02:29:41,847
timeline on that, uh, use of land so that the

2328
02:29:41,948 --> 02:29:44,327
end date. At least just to try to keep a

2329
02:29:44,327 --> 02:29:47,287
book in so that whoever those interested parties are, they

2330
02:29:47,287 --> 02:29:49,367
have a date to work towards instead of just having

2331
02:29:49,468 --> 02:29:54,887
like a vacant piece of land until, um, again, for

2332
02:29:54,908 --> 02:29:57,047
years to come, uh, while people are trying to work

2333
02:29:57,087 --> 02:30:00,167
on the math, uh, and making sure that the model

2334
02:30:00,188 --> 02:30:02,327
does work is they're going to be an end date

2335
02:30:02,588 --> 02:30:04,727
that Council can reevaluate whether or not it is actually

2336
02:30:05,148 --> 02:30:08,567
a viable, um, opportunity. Or if it's just, uh, we

2337
02:30:08,607 --> 02:30:10,247
need to reconsider how that land gets used in the

2338
02:30:10,247 --> 02:30:13,983
future. Do you, Madam Mayor, to the Councillor. I think

2339
02:30:13,983 --> 02:30:17,663
we need to have, um, parameters and goalposts at Councillor.

2340
02:30:17,663 --> 02:30:19,103
I don't think we can have moving goal post or

2341
02:30:19,103 --> 02:30:21,103
no goal posts at all. I think it's important that

2342
02:30:21,143 --> 02:30:25,343
we have that, um, and I think, uh, it's important.

2343
02:30:25,343 --> 02:30:27,903
And what I heard today again, meeting with someone who's

2344
02:30:27,903 --> 02:30:29,903
in this particular realm and who does this type of

2345
02:30:29,924 --> 02:30:33,183
work is that sometimes it's the municipality causing the whole

2346
02:30:33,204 --> 02:30:35,583
dog, not necessarily the private sector that's looking to do

2347
02:30:35,623 --> 02:30:39,023
something. So I think where we can, um, the municipality

2348
02:30:39,063 --> 02:30:40,783
needs to get out of the way. Um, once our

2349
02:30:40,823 --> 02:30:43,883
portion is done, but absolutely we need to have, um,

2350
02:30:44,644 --> 02:30:47,823
goalposts and timeline set on, on either end of this

2351
02:30:47,863 --> 02:30:50,543
to ensure that the work gets done, uh, because with

2352
02:30:50,644 --> 02:30:53,663
all work, uh, like this, uh, and we're talking about

2353
02:30:53,844 --> 02:30:58,123
value and property values, um, time is sometimes money. Uh,

2354
02:30:58,123 --> 02:31:00,663
and the value of property often changes as well. So

2355
02:31:00,663 --> 02:31:02,303
we do need to have some posts so that we

2356
02:31:02,303 --> 02:31:05,103
can start to do the necessary financial planning that we

2357
02:31:05,103 --> 02:31:10,413
have to have. Okay. Thank you. Good, thank you very

2358
02:31:10,413 --> 02:31:14,363
much. And next is Councillor Timmers. Go ahead. Thank you,

2359
02:31:14,363 --> 02:31:19,151
Mary Stin. Wow. I'm going to keep it really brief.

2360
02:31:19,151 --> 02:31:21,551
So, you know, good discussion tonight. This has been a

2361
02:31:21,551 --> 02:31:25,001
long time coming. I've been on the, um, housing select

2362
02:31:25,041 --> 02:31:29,321
committee. And prior to all the different committees we had

2363
02:31:29,361 --> 02:31:32,601
around this topic since the beginning. It's been a long

2364
02:31:32,702 --> 02:31:36,661
haul. And we've known all along what we need. The

2365
02:31:36,661 --> 02:31:39,881
one thing, the most important thing is an X on

2366
02:31:39,881 --> 02:31:43,321
that map. We need a spot. We need the land.

2367
02:31:43,321 --> 02:31:46,681
So this is what we're looking for. A formal commitment

2368
02:31:46,782 --> 02:31:51,401
with this motion. It's a good motion. I appreciate everyone's,

2369
02:31:51,401 --> 02:31:54,641
um, work on this over the years. I want to

2370
02:31:54,641 --> 02:31:57,881
thank the, um, housing select committee members that are here

2371
02:31:57,902 --> 02:32:03,321
tonight. Some are online. Also, um, Affordable Housing Lincoln who

2372
02:32:03,361 --> 02:32:06,841
started to come to our meetings and really, really did

2373
02:32:06,881 --> 02:32:09,641
some great advocacy out in the community. And it shows

2374
02:32:09,742 --> 02:32:12,361
by the number of people that are here tonight that

2375
02:32:12,361 --> 02:32:15,241
they support it. So I will be supporting this motion

2376
02:32:15,582 --> 02:32:18,201
and I would like to, um, call for a recorded

2377
02:32:18,241 --> 02:32:21,001
vote when that happens. Thank you very much. Thank you

2378
02:32:21,262 --> 02:32:25,981
everyone for being here tonight. Thank you Councillor Timmers and

2379
02:32:26,002 --> 02:32:30,809
Deputy Mayor Reimer, Chair Turn. Thank you Mayor Houston. Thank

2380
02:32:30,849 --> 02:32:33,529
you to Councillor Patrice. Even Councillor Timurus for bringing this

2381
02:32:33,550 --> 02:32:37,049
motion forward. It is thorough and it's complete. And I

2382
02:32:37,049 --> 02:32:43,085
support it. Um. Our purchase of BDSS has never been

2383
02:32:43,186 --> 02:32:45,885
about being a landlords or builders. I don't remember. It's

2384
02:32:45,885 --> 02:32:47,325
ever talking about that and are bringing it up in

2385
02:32:47,365 --> 02:32:51,645
discussion. It's always been about taking control, showing leadership and

2386
02:32:51,666 --> 02:32:56,381
exploring opportunities for a piece of property. Uh, like BDSS.

2387
02:32:56,381 --> 02:32:58,061
This is something that's going to shape and affect our

2388
02:32:58,082 --> 02:33:03,581
downtown beamsville for generations. Um, and so many decisions we

2389
02:33:03,621 --> 02:33:06,461
make, I think we forget. It's not about the residents,

2390
02:33:06,461 --> 02:33:09,086
not only about the residents of today. But 30 years,

2391
02:33:09,126 --> 02:33:11,286
40 years from now. In 20 years, they're going to

2392
02:33:11,286 --> 02:33:13,166
look back and say, you bought this piece of property

2393
02:33:13,206 --> 02:33:15,636
for what. It's the same as the discussion we have

2394
02:33:15,636 --> 02:33:19,933
with Councillor Foster, both the prices going up. That cost

2395
02:33:19,954 --> 02:33:22,173
of that property that we purchased to do all these

2396
02:33:22,213 --> 02:33:25,373
things or these opportunities, the potential to all these things,

2397
02:33:25,373 --> 02:33:27,933
I think is minimal. Um, I do have one question

2398
02:33:28,514 --> 02:33:30,013
and I'm not sure if it's too early to ask

2399
02:33:30,034 --> 02:33:34,903
this in relationship to this motion. Um, two director brooder.

2400
02:33:36,781 --> 02:33:39,720
It's a two early to talk about a secondary plan.

2401
02:33:39,720 --> 02:33:42,772
Is that something that we need to. Work alongside of

2402
02:33:42,772 --> 02:33:44,932
this? Not asking at all this to be part of

2403
02:33:44,932 --> 02:33:47,172
the motion. That's not my point. But just maybe throwing

2404
02:33:47,172 --> 02:33:48,612
it out there. Do we not need that in order

2405
02:33:48,652 --> 02:33:52,212
to have other, you know, like the, like commenting and

2406
02:33:52,252 --> 02:33:54,732
things like other input on this type of thing? Or

2407
02:33:54,732 --> 02:33:56,612
is that, or is that too early for that type

2408
02:33:56,652 --> 02:34:00,936
of conversation through you, Mayor Easton. Go ahead, Mr. Brooder.

2409
02:34:02,396 --> 02:34:04,615
Thank you, Mayor East. And through you to the Councillor,

2410
02:34:04,615 --> 02:34:07,255
I don't think it's too early to bring it up.

2411
02:34:07,255 --> 02:34:08,455
But the way I see it is I think that

2412
02:34:08,556 --> 02:34:10,855
the next step and, you know, that's what we kind

2413
02:34:10,855 --> 02:34:13,415
of outlined in our previous presentation. I think we have

2414
02:34:13,415 --> 02:34:16,535
to go the eel route first. And the reason I

2415
02:34:16,575 --> 02:34:18,535
say that is I think we have to establish from

2416
02:34:18,636 --> 02:34:21,335
a broad level. Um, you know, what do we really

2417
02:34:21,356 --> 02:34:24,135
want to see out of this particular site? Obviously one

2418
02:34:24,135 --> 02:34:25,495
of the things we want to see is what's being

2419
02:34:25,495 --> 02:34:27,735
talked about a little bit tonight. I think from there,

2420
02:34:27,775 --> 02:34:30,935
then you go into working once you've got maybe an

2421
02:34:31,036 --> 02:34:33,575
organisation or maybe a group of organisations that you're going

2422
02:34:33,575 --> 02:34:35,255
to be working with on the site or what have

2423
02:34:35,255 --> 02:34:37,255
you. Then from there, you can kind of work hand

2424
02:34:37,295 --> 02:34:39,495
in hand to make sure you develop a policy framework

2425
02:34:39,495 --> 02:34:43,015
that works. Obviously with public consultation being a key component,

2426
02:34:43,015 --> 02:34:45,555
I think of the second, it's a different situation, but

2427
02:34:45,555 --> 02:34:48,275
the secondary plan we did for prudims, for example, you

2428
02:34:48,275 --> 02:34:50,855
know, we worked very closely with the developer team to

2429
02:34:50,895 --> 02:34:53,815
try to come up with something that was a suitable

2430
02:34:53,855 --> 02:34:56,695
for, you know, public benefit and for members of the

2431
02:34:56,735 --> 02:35:00,295
community, but also in line with, uh, what was realistic

2432
02:35:00,335 --> 02:35:02,295
for the site according to the developer. So I could

2433
02:35:02,295 --> 02:35:06,852
see a similar process here. And a follow up, if

2434
02:35:06,852 --> 02:35:10,092
I may, Mayor said, and, and Matt, just along those

2435
02:35:10,113 --> 02:35:12,812
same lines then, once, let's say this EOI looking had

2436
02:35:12,812 --> 02:35:16,332
the UI is finished and completed. And we have with

2437
02:35:16,332 --> 02:35:18,972
the, with the land use then, you know, like as

2438
02:35:18,972 --> 02:35:23,561
far as. Practical areas of what we're going to use

2439
02:35:24,222 --> 02:35:26,841
or potentially use the piece of property for, then that

2440
02:35:26,841 --> 02:35:30,121
would incorporate into our secondary plan. Does that make sense?

2441
02:35:30,121 --> 02:35:33,645
Or is that along the. Mr. Bruder? Yeah. Um, Drew

2442
02:35:33,685 --> 02:35:36,205
Mayor Easton. Yeah. Generally speaking, I think that's correct. Obviously

2443
02:35:36,205 --> 02:35:38,925
when you get into that developing the actual land use

2444
02:35:38,965 --> 02:35:40,845
policies that tie in with the EOI. Yeah. There's going

2445
02:35:40,845 --> 02:35:43,645
to be some further refinement. You know, what happens or

2446
02:35:43,645 --> 02:35:45,445
what submitted at the AOI stage? Is that going to

2447
02:35:45,445 --> 02:35:48,285
be the final product? Maybe not completely, but it informs

2448
02:35:48,325 --> 02:35:50,445
the next step, which is a little bit more detailed

2449
02:35:50,706 --> 02:35:53,245
oriented when it comes to a secondary plan or a

2450
02:35:53,245 --> 02:35:56,205
master plan or something like that for the site. Okay.

2451
02:35:56,205 --> 02:35:58,812
Thank you, Dr. Reeder. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you very

2452
02:35:58,852 --> 02:36:03,532
much. There's no other speakers. I have a question of

2453
02:36:04,193 --> 02:36:07,612
the CAO. This has to do with speak up Lincoln

2454
02:36:09,393 --> 02:36:13,052
on a number of occasions tonight. There were, I think,

2455
02:36:13,073 --> 02:36:18,492
very laudable efforts by Council to ensure and yourself to

2456
02:36:18,513 --> 02:36:24,412
ensure that there's accurate information. Could we post, or maybe

2457
02:36:24,412 --> 02:36:27,372
we have, I didn't check in the last few days.

2458
02:36:27,372 --> 02:36:33,852
Could we post accurate information on speak up Lincoln in

2459
02:36:33,873 --> 02:36:37,372
regard to the way these questions are being asked in

2460
02:36:37,372 --> 02:36:41,372
some of the suppositions that are being made? Where do

2461
02:36:41,372 --> 02:36:43,992
we stand with that? I think we need some, uh,

2462
02:36:44,113 --> 02:36:51,405
we need a consistent communication access for the public. Mr.

2463
02:36:51,426 --> 02:36:54,485
C. A. PO. To you, Madam Mayor. Um, yeah, I

2464
02:36:54,485 --> 02:36:56,205
think the simple answer is yes. I think we can

2465
02:36:56,226 --> 02:37:00,605
find a, it may be simpler way. Um, and maybe

2466
02:37:00,605 --> 02:37:02,365
it's not just speak up Lincoln in terms of how

2467
02:37:02,405 --> 02:37:04,765
we communicate this to make sure that some of those

2468
02:37:04,866 --> 02:37:09,485
clarifications are made and captured appropriately. So. Okay. All right.

2469
02:37:09,525 --> 02:37:14,365
And I'm just, I'm assuming that that would include providing,

2470
02:37:14,365 --> 02:37:18,845
uh, relevant correspondence to the select committee so that they

2471
02:37:18,845 --> 02:37:22,534
have that consistent information as well. Okay. Well, thank you

2472
02:37:22,534 --> 02:37:28,514
very much councillors. Great questions and good discussion. And, um,

2473
02:37:28,555 --> 02:37:31,974
I'm very, very pleased to see this motion coming forward.

2474
02:37:31,974 --> 02:37:34,534
So the motion has been read. Madam Clerk, I would

2475
02:37:34,574 --> 02:37:36,854
ask you, uh, open the vote. And it has been

2476
02:37:36,955 --> 02:37:41,541
requested to be recorded. P. That's been noted. And that

2477
02:37:41,541 --> 02:37:50,677
will show up. Thank you. And I will. Open the

2478
02:37:50,858 --> 02:37:59,910
vote. Yes.

2479
02:38:02,180 --> 02:38:05,961
I will close that boat. And you will see on

2480
02:38:06,001 --> 02:38:09,081
the screen that that, uh, carries unanimously and that will

2481
02:38:09,081 --> 02:38:12,153
be noted in the minutes. Thank you. Thank you very

2482
02:38:12,193 --> 02:38:16,073
much, Madam Clerk. The next item on the agenda is

2483
02:38:16,094 --> 02:38:20,073
the reports of municipal officers. And I have Mayor's report

2484
02:38:20,094 --> 02:38:25,636
to present this evening. And, um, I would begin by

2485
02:38:28,377 --> 02:38:32,036
saying, good evening to everyone who is listening or is

2486
02:38:32,076 --> 02:38:39,353
in the gallery. I'm sorry. Um, as I begin my

2487
02:38:39,694 --> 02:38:43,273
Mayor's report this evening, I first want to congratulate all

2488
02:38:43,313 --> 02:38:47,513
of the students across Lincoln who have completed another school

2489
02:38:47,614 --> 02:38:52,454
year. And especially those who celebrated a graduation. It is

2490
02:38:52,875 --> 02:38:56,673
an exciting time in your lives. With new opportunities ahead

2491
02:38:57,414 --> 02:39:00,990
and probably a little uncertainty as well. We wish each

2492
02:39:01,030 --> 02:39:04,330
of you every success in whatever path you choose. And

2493
02:39:04,371 --> 02:39:07,630
wherever that path may take you. I also want to

2494
02:39:07,651 --> 02:39:12,590
acknowledge our teacher's school staff and families. These milestones don't

2495
02:39:12,851 --> 02:39:16,010
happen with photograph deal of support along the way. And

2496
02:39:16,051 --> 02:39:19,310
thank you for everything you do for the young people

2497
02:39:19,571 --> 02:39:26,833
of Lincoln. The July 21st storm was discussed in some

2498
02:39:26,854 --> 02:39:33,247
detailed this evening. However, I want to also put on

2499
02:39:33,428 --> 02:39:37,327
record that this was an extraordinary amount of rain and

2500
02:39:37,327 --> 02:39:40,127
wind in a very short period of time. And different

2501
02:39:40,127 --> 02:39:44,670
parts of our community experienced it in different ways. For

2502
02:39:44,670 --> 02:39:48,030
some families, the impacts were significant, including the flooding of

2503
02:39:48,070 --> 02:39:51,790
homes and properties. And I know how upsetting and stressful

2504
02:39:52,131 --> 02:39:55,763
that can be. To everyone who has affected, please know

2505
02:39:55,803 --> 02:39:58,403
that you have been very much on the minds of

2506
02:39:59,064 --> 02:40:05,285
all staff, all councillors. And we want to, and we

2507
02:40:05,285 --> 02:40:09,125
hope that as the days go by, and you're provided

2508
02:40:09,866 --> 02:40:13,045
and access the support that's available, that it eases your

2509
02:40:13,146 --> 02:40:17,654
minds as well. I want to sincerely thank our town

2510
02:40:17,675 --> 02:40:23,314
staff, fire department and the Nigeria region, emergency responders, and

2511
02:40:23,314 --> 02:40:26,774
everyone who worked through difficult conditions to respond to calls

2512
02:40:27,355 --> 02:40:33,014
flooded roads overwhelmed systems and residents who needed help. There

2513
02:40:33,035 --> 02:40:36,366
will always be lessons from events like this. We will

2514
02:40:36,707 --> 02:40:41,966
continue to look at our infrastructure, how our systems performed,

2515
02:40:41,966 --> 02:40:45,246
what we can reasonably do to make Lincoln more resilient

2516
02:40:45,587 --> 02:40:50,446
as these extreme weather events become something communities everywhere are

2517
02:40:50,446 --> 02:40:54,766
dealing with more frequently. So please continue to report your

2518
02:40:54,787 --> 02:40:59,166
individual circumstances and make use of the information and supports

2519
02:40:59,427 --> 02:41:03,488
that have been made available. I think, as you've all

2520
02:41:03,488 --> 02:41:09,168
heard tonight, all of Council was heavily involved and certainly

2521
02:41:09,189 --> 02:41:14,622
many, many of the staff. On October the 26th, we

2522
02:41:14,643 --> 02:41:20,222
will be having our next municipal election. And the clerks

2523
02:41:20,243 --> 02:41:23,262
department has been very busy preparing the systems that will

2524
02:41:23,262 --> 02:41:26,462
be needed to ensure that everyone who is eligible to

2525
02:41:26,502 --> 02:41:31,682
vote has that opportunity. The nomination period open may one,

2526
02:41:31,682 --> 02:41:34,562
and we are beginning to see candidates come forward from

2527
02:41:34,583 --> 02:41:38,002
mayor and the six Councillor Positions. And I'm very happy

2528
02:41:38,023 --> 02:41:45,282
to see some of those potential councillors sitting with us

2529
02:41:45,322 --> 02:41:49,692
this evening. I encourage residents to become engaged and learn

2530
02:41:49,732 --> 02:41:55,158
about the candidates and most importantly to vote. Local government

2531
02:41:55,179 --> 02:41:58,598
touches our lives every day, often in ways people don't

2532
02:41:58,779 --> 02:42:04,758
immediately recognise and you're participation matters. Several weeks ago, I

2533
02:42:04,859 --> 02:42:07,478
announced that after 12 years as mayor, I will not

2534
02:42:07,478 --> 02:42:11,638
be seeking re - election. Together with my earlier six

2535
02:42:11,638 --> 02:42:15,318
years as award - one councillor, it has been an

2536
02:42:15,339 --> 02:42:19,158
extraordinary privilege to have served this community for 18 years.

2537
02:42:20,266 --> 02:42:23,365
Since making that announcement, I have received many very kind

2538
02:42:23,546 --> 02:42:28,805
messages, conversations, and acknowledgments. Some have brought back incredible memories

2539
02:42:29,066 --> 02:42:33,266
that I thought that I had forgotten. I'm sincerely grateful

2540
02:42:33,287 --> 02:42:36,306
for them and for the support and consideration that has

2541
02:42:36,346 --> 02:42:39,666
been extended to me and to my family over many

2542
02:42:39,687 --> 02:42:42,989
years. There will be another time for me to say

2543
02:42:43,029 --> 02:42:45,629
more about that journey. I'm sure we still have work

2544
02:42:45,650 --> 02:42:52,508
to do if tonight's meeting is any indication. In a

2545
02:42:52,508 --> 02:42:57,148
mode of looking back and forward recently, CAO Microcopolis provided

2546
02:42:57,329 --> 02:43:00,268
Council with an update on the progress made against our

2547
02:43:00,289 --> 02:43:03,948
work plan. And staff have also prepared a broader review

2548
02:43:04,129 --> 02:43:12,735
covering this entire 2022 to 2026 term. This is something

2549
02:43:12,775 --> 02:43:16,130
that we take very, very seriously. And when you look

2550
02:43:16,130 --> 02:43:20,290
at everything together, Lincoln has much to be proud of.

2551
02:43:20,391 --> 02:43:23,890
The approach we have taken has really been quite simple.

2552
02:43:24,963 --> 02:43:30,015
Listen to the community, establish priorities. Build a strategic plan

2553
02:43:30,356 --> 02:43:35,135
and work plan around those priorities. And most importantly, get

2554
02:43:35,175 --> 02:43:40,618
on with delivering it. That has resulted in significant investments

2555
02:43:41,119 --> 02:43:46,778
in roads, water, and wastewater infrastructure, parks, recreation, libraries, economic

2556
02:43:46,818 --> 02:43:52,618
development, housing, community services, and many other areas. It is

2557
02:43:52,618 --> 02:43:54,918
also allowed us to think differently about some of the

2558
02:43:54,959 --> 02:43:59,018
opportunities before us and to take on projects that perhaps

2559
02:43:59,759 --> 02:44:03,418
a municipality of our size would not traditionally have trachen

2560
02:44:03,458 --> 02:44:08,344
on BDSS is certainly one of those opportunities. None of

2561
02:44:08,384 --> 02:44:12,984
this happens because of one person. It happens because council

2562
02:44:13,085 --> 02:44:19,704
establishes direction, professional staff execute that direction. Residents participate and

2563
02:44:19,725 --> 02:44:23,464
our partners work with us. And I particularly want to

2564
02:44:23,485 --> 02:44:26,984
acknowledge the tremendous support that Lincoln has received from other

2565
02:44:27,005 --> 02:44:33,224
levels of government and our many partners. MPPSEM Ustrehoff MPD

2566
02:44:33,485 --> 02:44:38,904
Nellison Regional Councillor Rob Foster, regional CAO Ron Trip and

2567
02:44:38,944 --> 02:44:44,984
Regional Staff, along with many ministers, agencies, community organisations and

2568
02:44:44,984 --> 02:44:49,418
others have worked with Lincoln over the years. We deliberately

2569
02:44:49,599 --> 02:44:55,158
built a strong government relations program because of municipality, our

2570
02:44:55,158 --> 02:45:01,107
size cannot accomplish everything on its own. Those relationships have

2571
02:45:01,288 --> 02:45:05,407
resulted in millions of dollars of investment in Lincoln, and

2572
02:45:05,407 --> 02:45:09,187
more importantly, projects and services that have made a difference

2573
02:45:09,288 --> 02:45:14,627
in people's lives. The collaboration has been one of the

2574
02:45:14,648 --> 02:45:20,024
great strengths of Lincoln. In the matter of a changing

2575
02:45:20,365 --> 02:45:24,024
environment, there is something else I have been thinking about

2576
02:45:24,285 --> 02:45:27,944
a great deal, particularly as we enter another municipal election.

2577
02:45:29,360 --> 02:45:33,899
And that is the way that residents receive information and

2578
02:45:33,899 --> 02:45:37,259
how it has changed dramatically during my time in public

2579
02:45:37,280 --> 02:45:42,602
life. Traditional local media is much smaller than it once

2580
02:45:42,602 --> 02:45:47,165
was. Social media has filled some of that space, but

2581
02:45:47,165 --> 02:45:51,265
it is also created in an environment where information moves

2582
02:45:51,286 --> 02:45:56,145
very quickly and often without the context or editorial oversight

2583
02:45:56,726 --> 02:46:01,181
that once existed. We've talked a little bit about some

2584
02:46:01,221 --> 02:46:06,351
of that tonight. How information can get off the track.

2585
02:46:07,469 --> 02:46:10,488
How information could go from something that is very right

2586
02:46:11,389 --> 02:46:13,528
to a whole lot of questions about things that have

2587
02:46:13,629 --> 02:46:17,961
no fact base. As a municipality, we've worked very hard

2588
02:46:18,001 --> 02:46:22,761
to communicate regularly and openly to our residents through Council

2589
02:46:22,761 --> 02:46:28,601
meetings, staff reports, newsletter, speak up Lincoln, social media, public

2590
02:46:28,702 --> 02:46:33,961
meetings, business communications, our new podcast, and many other channels.

2591
02:46:35,582 --> 02:46:38,421
There's probably more information available about the work of the

2592
02:46:38,622 --> 02:46:42,041
town today than at any other point during my time

2593
02:46:42,222 --> 02:46:46,201
in office. That doesn't mean we always get a perfect.

2594
02:46:46,201 --> 02:46:51,293
We don't. But the commitment to communicating openly, consistently and

2595
02:46:51,293 --> 02:46:57,275
providing the facts has been very deliberate. Election campaigns can

2596
02:46:57,296 --> 02:47:01,604
sometimes make this more difficult. Candidates for all naturally have

2597
02:47:01,705 --> 02:47:05,844
different ideas and opinions. That is democracy, and it should

2598
02:47:05,844 --> 02:47:09,524
be encouraged. But during elections, the law can also be

2599
02:47:09,785 --> 02:47:13,444
said about decisions that have been made sometimes without the

2600
02:47:13,444 --> 02:47:18,324
history, financial information, or the full context behind those decisions.

2601
02:47:19,465 --> 02:47:22,884
As many of you who are watching this meeting tonight,

2602
02:47:22,884 --> 02:47:25,204
will no one understand we have spent a great deal

2603
02:47:25,225 --> 02:47:29,147
of time in this one meeting. Ensuring that some of

2604
02:47:29,147 --> 02:47:33,787
those things, if not all of them, were covered as

2605
02:47:33,827 --> 02:47:37,573
we worked our way through the agenda. My advice to

2606
02:47:37,834 --> 02:47:41,813
council, staff, and those seeking public office is that we

2607
02:47:41,914 --> 02:47:46,209
always take the higher road. Don't get drawn into every

2608
02:47:46,230 --> 02:47:52,922
comment or criticism. Provide the facts. Explain the decisions. Correct

2609
02:47:52,943 --> 02:47:56,442
misinformation when it is important to do so, and then

2610
02:47:56,703 --> 02:48:01,469
continue doing the work. Residents deserve to understand not only

2611
02:48:01,509 --> 02:48:06,269
what council decided, but why it was decided what alternatives

2612
02:48:06,370 --> 02:48:10,189
were considered what it costs and what the consequences would

2613
02:48:10,189 --> 02:48:14,409
have been if we chose a different path. We won't

2614
02:48:14,449 --> 02:48:19,121
always agree. We aren't supposed to. And public service isn't

2615
02:48:19,142 --> 02:48:23,151
about winning every argument. At the end of the day,

2616
02:48:23,151 --> 02:48:26,091
we need to remember why we are here in the

2617
02:48:26,091 --> 02:48:29,161
first place. It is because of a commitment to service

2618
02:48:29,582 --> 02:48:32,201
and a belief that we can contribute something to the

2619
02:48:32,302 --> 02:48:36,655
community we call home. That applies whether you are the

2620
02:48:36,756 --> 02:48:40,575
mayor, a councillor, or someone putting their name forward for

2621
02:48:40,596 --> 02:48:45,230
the very first time. Take the higher road, respect the

2622
02:48:45,571 --> 02:48:49,710
institution, and remember that the community is bigger than anyone

2623
02:48:49,750 --> 02:48:54,686
election or any one of us. That is that, in

2624
02:48:54,686 --> 02:48:58,486
my opinion, is what public service should always be about.

2625
02:48:59,784 --> 02:49:03,043
On the matter of leadership, many of you have heard

2626
02:49:03,083 --> 02:49:06,483
me speak over the years about leadership around this horseshoe.

2627
02:49:07,744 --> 02:49:12,783
Good councils need different perspectives. Different experiences and people who

2628
02:49:12,964 --> 02:49:16,830
aren't afraid to challenge each other. Without that mixture of

2629
02:49:17,011 --> 02:49:20,910
representation, our review of the community can become very narrow.

2630
02:49:21,920 --> 02:49:25,739
My own approach to public service has always had started

2631
02:49:25,760 --> 02:49:31,517
with empathy. Trying to put yourself in somebody else's shoes,

2632
02:49:31,517 --> 02:49:35,997
understanding their circumstances, and then working toward a better outcome.

2633
02:49:37,132 --> 02:49:41,911
Perhaps some of this comes from my background in healthcare.

2634
02:49:41,951 --> 02:49:45,787
You learn to look at the whole system. You begin

2635
02:49:45,827 --> 02:49:49,147
to understand how the pieces connect and think about the

2636
02:49:49,187 --> 02:49:53,442
impact of decisions before and after they are made. Not

2637
02:49:53,623 --> 02:49:56,722
just come up with quick solutions, throw it at the

2638
02:49:56,823 --> 02:50:00,002
wall, and then wait and see what happens. That can

2639
02:50:00,002 --> 02:50:04,322
be a very, very painful process for anybody that's impacted

2640
02:50:04,362 --> 02:50:08,957
by that kind of decision - making. Municipal government isn't

2641
02:50:09,058 --> 02:50:13,721
different than health care. Rhoads connect to growth. Growth connects

2642
02:50:13,721 --> 02:50:19,401
to water and wastewater. Housing connects to economic development, recreation

2643
02:50:19,822 --> 02:50:24,831
connects to health. Libraries connect to education and community. And

2644
02:50:24,831 --> 02:50:27,091
all of it connects back to the quality of life

2645
02:50:27,352 --> 02:50:31,595
people experience every day. So when you are having a

2646
02:50:31,635 --> 02:50:35,835
conversation about what to take out of the budget, I

2647
02:50:36,016 --> 02:50:40,875
can tell you that every decision positive or not positive

2648
02:50:41,216 --> 02:50:45,595
has a major impact on somebody somewhere. And so that

2649
02:50:45,635 --> 02:50:49,755
puts another layer of difficulty on all decisions that you

2650
02:50:49,795 --> 02:50:52,375
will make if you sit around this table in the

2651
02:50:52,375 --> 02:50:57,810
future. Our job, however, is to understand these connections. And

2652
02:50:57,810 --> 02:51:01,750
whenever possible, to leave the community better than we found

2653
02:51:01,851 --> 02:51:08,771
it. So as the next council, as Lincoln in the

2654
02:51:08,811 --> 02:51:13,971
next council start turning the page for the next chapter.

2655
02:51:15,518 --> 02:51:19,097
I believe the next council will inherit a municipality with

2656
02:51:19,118 --> 02:51:23,977
a very strong foundation. There will be difficult decisions ahead.

2657
02:51:24,912 --> 02:51:32,731
Housing, infrastructure, growth, affordability, climate resilience, financial sustainability among them.

2658
02:51:33,955 --> 02:51:38,414
Those decisions will require thoughtful leadership, good information. And the

2659
02:51:38,414 --> 02:51:42,094
willingness to sometimes look beyond the immediate issue to what

2660
02:51:42,355 --> 02:51:45,294
is best for Lincoln 10 and 20 years from now.

2661
02:51:46,800 --> 02:51:50,779
There are also cause to delaying decisions. We know this.

2662
02:51:50,779 --> 02:51:53,819
We have experienced this within the last two to three

2663
02:51:53,819 --> 02:51:59,049
years. Infrastructure does not become less expensive by waiting. And

2664
02:51:59,070 --> 02:52:02,943
sometimes the greater risk is doing nothing. That is why

2665
02:52:03,284 --> 02:52:08,143
our official plan, asset management plan, master plans and long

2666
02:52:08,183 --> 02:52:12,063
- term financial planning are so important. They provide the

2667
02:52:12,324 --> 02:52:15,823
roadmap that allows councils to make decisions based on evidence

2668
02:52:16,644 --> 02:52:20,353
rather than simply the issue of the day. And I

2669
02:52:20,374 --> 02:52:24,040
want to acknowledge that. Pending some business that may come

2670
02:52:24,061 --> 02:52:27,240
forward in September tonight may in fact be our final

2671
02:52:27,341 --> 02:52:31,454
regular Council meeting of this term. And if that's the

2672
02:52:31,454 --> 02:52:34,814
case, I don't want this meeting to end without saying

2673
02:52:34,995 --> 02:52:39,315
thank you. To my colleagues on council, all the councils

2674
02:52:39,576 --> 02:52:45,444
from 2014, I thank you all. We've not always agreed,

2675
02:52:45,444 --> 02:52:48,859
nor should we. But we have shared the responsibility of

2676
02:52:48,880 --> 02:52:53,879
making decisions for this community sometimes very difficult ones. And

2677
02:52:53,879 --> 02:52:56,059
I am very proud and you all should be very

2678
02:52:56,240 --> 02:53:01,087
proud of what we have accomplished together. I also want

2679
02:53:01,127 --> 02:53:06,127
to especially recognise CAO Mike and all of our senior

2680
02:53:06,148 --> 02:53:11,407
staff, the senior leadership team, many of who have supporting

2681
02:53:11,508 --> 02:53:15,072
roles with the mayor's office. The amount of work that

2682
02:53:15,173 --> 02:53:18,752
happens behind the scenes is sometimes difficult for the people

2683
02:53:18,933 --> 02:53:23,169
to see. For the public to see. These are people

2684
02:53:23,169 --> 02:53:26,449
who have worked through emergencies, just like you had this

2685
02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:29,969
past week. I wish you could have seen how the

2686
02:53:29,969 --> 02:53:34,929
independently organised themselves in this building to ensure that calls

2687
02:53:34,969 --> 02:53:38,929
were taken that information was accurate, that people that walked

2688
02:53:39,430 --> 02:53:45,089
in unannounced were greeted and supported. It was really something

2689
02:53:45,129 --> 02:53:50,787
to behold. They are dealing with significant growth. The challenge

2690
02:53:50,808 --> 02:53:56,925
is significant. Changing legislation. I think the province is speaking

2691
02:53:56,946 --> 02:54:02,925
to us more in a month than sometimes they would

2692
02:54:03,266 --> 02:54:09,418
in a year. Financial pressures and some very ambitious projects,

2693
02:54:09,418 --> 02:54:16,784
including the hospital. They have given counsel professional advice, sometimes

2694
02:54:16,784 --> 02:54:19,744
advice we may not have wanted to hear and then

2695
02:54:19,744 --> 02:54:23,491
carried out the direction of council. To Mike, in the

2696
02:54:23,491 --> 02:54:27,731
entire senior team and really to all town staff, everyone,

2697
02:54:27,731 --> 02:54:31,491
thank you. I have tremendous respect for the professionalism for

2698
02:54:31,491 --> 02:54:34,531
the trades, for the commitment that you bring to Lincoln

2699
02:54:34,632 --> 02:54:39,885
every day. I have watched, as you have counsel, Lincoln

2700
02:54:39,986 --> 02:54:43,485
change considerably in the PAST 12 years. It has grown

2701
02:54:43,485 --> 02:54:47,373
up. It needed to. We are in a very good

2702
02:54:47,394 --> 02:54:51,969
place at this time. We have built infrastructure, strengthened our

2703
02:54:52,009 --> 02:54:58,529
finances, expanded recreation and community services invested in our downtowns,

2704
02:54:58,529 --> 02:55:02,769
built relationships with other governments, and taken on projects that

2705
02:55:02,790 --> 02:55:05,329
at one time might have seemed beyond the reach of

2706
02:55:05,590 --> 02:55:09,461
a municipality our size. And we did this keeping the

2707
02:55:09,642 --> 02:55:13,221
youth of our community and the seniors of our community

2708
02:55:13,642 --> 02:55:18,586
and the families of our community Top of mine. None

2709
02:55:18,586 --> 02:55:22,544
of that belongs to one mayor. One council, or one

2710
02:55:22,565 --> 02:55:26,928
CAO. It has been a team effort. I am proud

2711
02:55:26,968 --> 02:55:30,128
of the culture we have built between Council and staff.

2712
02:55:31,703 --> 02:55:41,387
For anyone new protected. Council should ask questions. Challenge assumptions,

2713
02:55:41,427 --> 02:55:45,227
establish the direction of the municipality and then allow our

2714
02:55:45,248 --> 02:55:48,667
professional staff to do the jobs we hired them to

2715
02:55:48,667 --> 02:55:55,524
do. They're here because of your strategic initiatives. Treat them

2716
02:55:55,865 --> 02:56:02,116
with respect. And defend their professional role. A healthy organisational

2717
02:56:02,297 --> 02:56:05,876
culture takes years to build and can be damaged very

2718
02:56:05,897 --> 02:56:09,386
quickly. And there are hefty costs that go along with

2719
02:56:09,887 --> 02:56:13,776
that. For those who will sit around this horseshoe in

2720
02:56:13,776 --> 02:56:17,369
the future, my advice is fairly simple. Think beyond the

2721
02:56:17,409 --> 02:56:22,761
next meeting. Listen carefully, particularly to people whose experience is

2722
02:56:22,801 --> 02:56:27,135
maybe different from your own. Understand the costs and risks

2723
02:56:27,316 --> 02:56:30,495
of acting, but also understand the cost and risks of

2724
02:56:30,676 --> 02:56:36,768
not acting. Leave your ego outside this building. Remember why

2725
02:56:36,789 --> 02:56:40,818
you are sitting here. You are elected. Now you need

2726
02:56:40,919 --> 02:56:43,058
to sit in the chair and learn about the job

2727
02:56:43,479 --> 02:56:46,578
and be respectful of it. Because there will be many

2728
02:56:46,679 --> 02:56:49,778
assumptions that you will come with that will not apply

2729
02:56:49,879 --> 02:56:55,082
at all. You may be quite surprised. Remember that it

2730
02:56:55,263 --> 02:56:57,722
isn't about any one of us. It is about leaving

2731
02:56:58,223 --> 02:57:04,278
Lincoln a little better than we found it. I'm equally

2732
02:57:04,379 --> 02:57:08,742
grateful. To the residents who have challenged us encouraged us

2733
02:57:09,723 --> 02:57:13,904
participated and trusted us along the way. But if this

2734
02:57:13,925 --> 02:57:18,064
is our last meeting around the horseshoe, I simply want

2735
02:57:18,104 --> 02:57:21,504
to say thank you. Thank you to council. Thank you,

2736
02:57:21,504 --> 02:57:25,492
Mike. And our senior staff. Thank you to every employee.

2737
02:57:27,164 --> 02:57:31,383
Thank you to our community partners and other levels of

2738
02:57:31,484 --> 02:57:33,863
government who have worked alongside us. Thank you to my

2739
02:57:33,884 --> 02:57:37,965
family. Who have shared me with this community for a

2740
02:57:37,965 --> 02:57:41,540
very long time. And most importantly, thank you to the

2741
02:57:41,580 --> 02:57:44,740
people of Lincoln for giving me the extraordinary privilege of

2742
02:57:45,001 --> 02:57:49,574
serving this community. We still have a few months left.

2743
02:57:49,614 --> 02:57:52,848
And there is still work to do. So as we

2744
02:57:52,888 --> 02:57:55,888
always have, let's get on with it. Thank you.

2745
02:58:17,686 --> 02:58:27,635
Thank. You very much. I have a

2746
02:58:27,635 --> 02:58:31,955
motion moved by Councillor Mickelik, seconded by Councillor Renema. That

2747
02:58:31,955 --> 02:58:36,195
Council receive and file for information the following Mayor's Report.

2748
02:58:36,195 --> 02:58:39,658
Madam Clerk, would you please open the vote. Lotus open,

2749
02:58:39,658 --> 02:58:39,978
Madam Mayor.

2750
02:58:49,872 --> 02:58:56,961
Cancer Timurs. That's. Okay. Thank you. I'll close that vote

2751
02:58:57,142 --> 02:58:59,921
that carries, Madam Mayor. Thank you. The motion is carried.

2752
02:59:00,936 --> 02:59:04,435
Item number 17 is confidential matters. We have none this

2753
02:59:04,435 --> 02:59:11,483
evening. However, we do have two bylaws for consideration today.

2754
02:59:11,483 --> 02:59:13,963
Do members have any questions on the Bibles.

2755
02:59:22,875 --> 02:59:26,566
I see none. I have a motion move by Councillor

2756
02:59:26,667 --> 02:59:29,821
Brunet. Second of I Council Russell. That leave be given

2757
02:59:29,861 --> 02:59:34,781
to approve the following bylaws. 2026 - 41, a bylaw

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to establish lands legally described as one part of LOT

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21 broken front concession, Clinton, designated as parts 1 and

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2 on plan 30R - 16477. ST and TWR -

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0612677. Lincoln. And two, part of LOT 21, broken front

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concession, Clinton, designated as parts 3, 4, 5, and 6

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on plan 30R - 16473. ST and TWR0612677.

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Lincoln, as part of a public highway under the jurisdiction

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of a corporation of the Town of Lincoln known as

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Blzard Drive. Bylaw 2026 - 42, a by - allowed

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to authorize the conveyance part of the Road Alan's Between

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concession 1 and concession 2 Louth. Designated as part 1

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on plan 30R - 15292 in the Town of Lincoln

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Municipality of Niagara. Madam Clerk, would you please open the

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vote. Vote is now open. I'll close that boat and

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that carries Madame Mayor. Thank you. The motion is carried.

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We will now confirm the proceedings of the Council meeting,

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and I have a motion move by Councillor Timmer, seconded

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by Councillor Pachiriva that leave be given to introduce by

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- law number 2026 - 43. A bilaud to confirm

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the proceedings of Council at its meeting held Monday, July

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the 27th, 2026, being read of first, second, and third

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time that bylaw number 2026 - 43 being acted and

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passed, and that the Mayor and Clerk sign and sealed

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the bed said bylaw. Madam Clerk, would you please open

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the vote. PONOOT OPEN.

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That carries. Thank you. The motion is carried. I have

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a motion move by Councillor Reimer, seconded by Councillor Murray.

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If the Council meeting on July the 27th, 2026, be

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adjourned at 2100 hours, I think, on the dot. And

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so we will ask the clerk to open the vote.

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Vote is open. And. I will close that boat, and

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that carries, thanks. All right, thank you everyone. This concludes

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our Council meeting for this evening.