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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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Thank you.

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Uh, roll call, please.

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» Council member Stevens,

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» Present.

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» Council member Kaine,

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» Present. Council member Coleman,

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» Present.

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» Vice Mayor Sud.

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» Mayor El Ramy,

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» Present.

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» Acting town manager Oaks,

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» Town attorney Good,

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» Present.

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» Public works director Lowour.

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Young present.

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» And acting town clerk is present.

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» Thank you. Uh additions, deletions, and

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And uh we'll open it up then to any

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public comments on non-aggenda items.

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» Yes, madame mayor. We have one comment

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card from Virginia Standish.

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» Thank you.

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While that's happening, can I get a

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motion to uh accept the

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» Make a motion to approve the agenda.

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» Thank you.

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» Second.

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» All right. All those in favor?

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» May I proceed?

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» Yes, please.

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» Good afternoon. Good evening. Virginia

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Standish Lockach.

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11 months ago, I came before council and

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have continued to do so over various

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meetings to share my concern that the

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town's ULDC code involving tree

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mitigation is full of conflicts and

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places excessive financial hardship on

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land owners and should once again be

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reviewed by the ULDC committee and

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council as is being done with the RV

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ordinance.

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Yet, this has not happened. I will be

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making the same statement at your

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council meeting for the record.

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Additionally, on behalf of a landowner,

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I have requested via email that a

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property I represent be given the

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options for a new owner to purchase the

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property.

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Months have gone by without a final

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answer from this this landowner and

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their attorney have met with the town,

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called the town and have yet to receive

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an answer on what is supposed to be

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under your guidelines a casebycase

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review.

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And yet the answer is incomplete as

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compared to what your ULDC says.

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I've had to ask for this item to be

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placed on the town agenda for review by

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council. I did not wish to do that. I

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feel your staff could have handled this

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in-house. We still hope it can be

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handled in-house and frankly we are

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baffled that is it has been almost a

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year to get an answer with multiple

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options as outlined in your DC code for

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someone who has spent extensive funds

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and not cleared all the trees yet that

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they were going to clear.

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This is the perfect example of what

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should not happen. procedures should be

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in place for staff to do a case-bycase

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review and provide an answer within

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weeks, not a year. I know this council

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is revamping, refocused on getting

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things done efficiently, and this is one

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of many issues that needs to be

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addressed. In addition, for the record,

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I am telling you that today I submitted

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a public records request for the form

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for bonafide ad covenant and also how

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many of these covenants have been

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recorded by the town since 2019.

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» Thank you, council. I know we've um

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times. Um, is this something I know that

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uh the manager had received the request

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to put this on as an agenda item and the

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conversation was it's allowed in the

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charter

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um but we really have no policy on how

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to bring that forward. Is that something

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allow the manager to determine

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documentation and timing or is that

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something that when a request comes

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forward, it is brought forward to us and

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we and we have a policy on when that

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comes forward depending on availability

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» When we talking about coming forward,

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we're talking about the ability for it

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to transfer over to a new owner.

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policy. Yeah, she wants to create a

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» What's allowed in our charter,

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» So, do we want to develop a policy? Do

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we want to allow the manager to just

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place it on the agenda as available in

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timing and and it comes as it comes to

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us? Should it be a discussion item under

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the manager? How do we develop a policy

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for for these things coming forward

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um as agenda requests? I

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» I guess I'll rephrase my question.

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» An requested agenda item by the public.

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» I have my item.

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» Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say I

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since these types of items, as this one

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clearly is are an issue where there's a

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feeling that staff is not

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performing at a rate that this public

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would like them to. I I feel that it

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should be the manager's determination

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because I think the manager is the one

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who is qualified to make the

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determination. We are not we're not in

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here every day. We're not qualified to

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make the determination of whether all

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resources have been exhausted, whether

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it's in process, whether it's just that

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laboriously slow process. But I think

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the manager is the one who's uniquely

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qualified to make that determination and

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that she should then, as you said, put

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on the agenda as time fits.

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near future. Um, and this seems to be a

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matter of some urgency, but that's my

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concept in that obviously some of the

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concern is that there's a staff

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performance question here. the managers

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in charge of staff. This is relatively

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new management overseeing staff. So,

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moving things along or having them come

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before council. I'm not sure the manager

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would always be the one necessarily to

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deem that that's something they want

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brought to the public view. So, perhaps

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there's two processes where maybe they

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can petition the manager or they can

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petition council and council can bring

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it up and under a simple majority vote

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it comes forward on the next agenda.

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first and if they don't feel like they

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get satisfaction then then they petition

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» I don't think we need to get real crazy

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» As far as Yeah. All right.

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want to make sure you know one of the um

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conundrums of the council manager style

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of government is that the um council

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can't interfere with the manager doing

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their job. Could this in any way be

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construed as interference

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» As long as you all have a policy that is

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set forth

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uh and it that a policy is adhered to. I

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think that what you're suggesting here

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as having a process for the manager to

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place items on the agenda and for the

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town council to place items on the

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agenda is reasonable. Um, and certainly

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it is the town council's agenda. So if

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you all want to discuss an item, you are

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within your rights and your powers to

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bring that forward.

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» It was a little further than that. It

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was it was somebody is somebody has some

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discontent with the way that the

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management with the staff is handling

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things which as Lisa pointed out in this

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case it rolls uphill right things go up

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to the manager ultimately it's the

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» May I offer a suggestion

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» Thank you so because one of my concerns

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is if a request comes forward it is in

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your charter and then It's kind of that

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that determination of you know is the

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manager handling it or not. So for

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example you know any manager in this

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seat could think that they may have

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handled the situation appropriately and

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you could have the resident that may

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think differently. What I would like to

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suggest um which was going to kind of be

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my intention was to place Miss

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Standish's item underneath the town

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manager's report and notify council that

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we received a request from a resident to

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place an item on the agenda. let you

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guys know what the agenda item is,

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provide you with a brief background, and

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then if you guys want to move forward

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with placing the item on the next agenda

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for further discussion, you can do so at

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that time by consensus. Or you could

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say, "Thank you for, you know, letting

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us know, please come back in 30 days and

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report back or what have you, you know,

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case by case." And so that way it's kind

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of one avenue. It's clean, it's clear,

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» So that's a suggestion.

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» You did your job. right that also

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whoever the manager is

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» And also to make sure that the residents

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feel heard um and that we are kind of

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adhering to our charter um in a sense

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and just keeping things transparent and

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» So to recap, so you're suggesting that

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the the first avenue is for them to to

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come to you and file an appeal whatever

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they want something on the agenda that

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you would then include that in the next

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meeting's manager's report at which time

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council would make a decision of whether

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it goes on the following agenda.

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» Right? And so and theoretically um you

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documentation that you want to include

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uh do you want to add a memo to the file

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and that way we can include all of that

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as part of the agenda item under my

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report.

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» I think it would be interesting though

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to to provide a couple like Paul said a

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couple different avenues for for public

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discourse to be brought forward in a

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more formal way. So I I you know to your

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point Zach that this is you know

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something that as long as the council

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has a policy and they they invoke that

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policy and follow it. So

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» And I mean I'm happy to work with your

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manager in to develop that policy.

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» Yeah. Well let's see as it comes forward

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because I know um uh the manager had

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plan to to bring it forward.

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» Yeah. Yeah. In anticipation of this

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conversation we did reach out to several

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municipalities. A lot of them um do not

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have this in their charter. Uh the one

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that did have it in their charter uh who

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responded out of those that we uh

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emailed was Puna Gorta and when we said

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okay um we recognize that it's in your

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charter very similar language they don't

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have a detailed policy in terms of you

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know the resident can speak for five

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minutes and make a presentation you know

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it's you know because what we want to

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get away well we don't want staff to sit

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here and spend hours on an item that

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council may not deem as a priority or as

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Miss Standish said we're in the middle

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of a major transition and so we need to

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be very mindful of what our priorities

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are and what our focuses are and while

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that is a priority there are a lot of

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things that are going on right now and

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so we want to just make sure that

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everything is in line and that you know

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we're communicating those things

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effectively.

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» Okay. Well, I guess we'll see it at the

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September September. Awesome.

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» Any other public comments?

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» Yes, madame mayor. We have Cassie Suchi.

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Um

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I just want to bring back some some

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things just happened on North B Road uh

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with some of the grading that recently

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happened a couple days ago, say a week

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ago. I just took photographs. Apparently

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staff decided to grade the remaining

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portion of North B Road beyond its legal

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limit for width. And I know that for a

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fact because people in North Be sued the

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town because they illegally took their

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money, inverse condemnation. It was a

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big lawsuit and the town ended up

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spending what $350,000 to defend it.

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They wanted to maintain legal control of

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their land if it was ever um if the

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maintenance maps were ever filed and

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they would lose it. So that was done.

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And I want to take you back historically

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back in 2017.

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uh a guy named Frank Smith decided to

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when Underwood was in charge decided to

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do the same thing all over again and he

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got to a portion on B- Road and there

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were three trees that have been there

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for many many years and I stopped him,

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contacted Underwood. They called the

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police. They hadn't stopped. He came to

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the meeting and said he was told by a

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certain councilman who denied it, never

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got paid. And uh when you look at the

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maintenance maps, those trees show that

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they're part are the roadway, which

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they're not. So they he what he was

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doing was grading illegally to the

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maintenance. When I took pictures this

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last week, the grading is exactly

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matching almost exactly all the way

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down. Now, I don't know if this occurred

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because at the last council meeting, you

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guys talked about um finishing paving on

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roads, but you need to ask those people

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for the easements and there is a recent

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survey of those portions that was given

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to the road in the lawsuit, but this is

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keeps happening. It happens on other

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roads and it needs to stop. I don't know

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if there's a disconnect between staff

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comprehension and what council wants

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because I have not heard council once

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say go ahead and steal people's private

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land.

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So, I'm contacting the attorney that

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took the original lawsuit just to keep

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him on standby. But I would hope that

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this gets brought up maybe at the next

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meeting and council will make sure that

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staff corrects what they did on the

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roadway puts the people's property back

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and if they have to put ballards in

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because nobody can seem to understand

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where to grade maybe that's what it is.

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But I'm going to tell you Ballards on

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five or six properties is going to be a

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whole lot cheaper than the 350,000 which

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is going to cost for another inverse

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condemnation. So please, I urge you as

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council to make staff correct their

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mistake and make sure that this

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comprehension between what you guys

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want, which is our stewards and our

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representatives, is relayed to them and

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they they carry it out. Thanks.

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» Thank you.

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» Any other public comments? Okay.

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» So to that end, I'm sure public works

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will be on it so everyone's aware. So,

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uh, that brings us to agenda item one.

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And I believe our auditor is here

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virtually.

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» Andrew, I see you, but I There you are.

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» All right. Can you hear me now?

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» Yes. Thank you.

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» Okay, great. Well, thank you very much,

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um, honorable mayor, members of the

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council. Uh, for the record, my name is

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Andrew Fearman. I'm a partner with

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Fearman Accounts and Adviserss, and I am

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here to provide a brief presentation on

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your annual comprehensive financial

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report for the fiscal end of September

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30th, 2025.

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The first thing I'd like to point out is

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just within the within the table of

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contents, um, what I could do as well,

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if it if it would be helpful, I could I

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could also share my screen and and point

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out on the screen what what I'm uh what

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I'm discussing. Um, if that would be

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helpful. Let me try to do that.

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Actually, that'll probably be good. Just

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one moment. Let me see if it lets me

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share.

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Okay. So, if everyone sees it, sees it

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up on the screen.

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» Yes, we can.

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» Okay, great. It'll make it easier

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everyone. All right. So, the first thing

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I'd like to point out is actually right

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in the table of contents. Um, your

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annual comprehensive financial report is

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broken up into into various sections.

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It's actually four specific sections. is

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the introductory section, the financial

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section, the statistical section, and

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the compliance section. I'm going to

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highlight a few things within each

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section and provide an explanation on

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each one. So, the introductory section

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um which is the very first section

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includes your letter of transmitt um

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some some information on the town such

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as the officials, the organizational

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chart. What I wanted to point out here

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is um on the last page here on on page

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Roman numeral 7 is that the town did

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receive the certificate of excellence um

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of achievement for financial reporting.

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Um this was provided for the uh fiscal

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year 2024 annual comprehensive financial

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report and as everyone knows it is a a

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prestigious award that's provided by the

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government finance office association

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and just it holds your financial

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statements and your financial reporting

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to a to a higher standard. There's

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certain sections that in addition that

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the town puts in um that are

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requirements just for this certificate

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program which is included within the

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introductory section which is the letter

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of transmitt and then the third section

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of the document which is statistical

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section. Um those are additional

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sections that are included for

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additional information for for the the

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readers of the financial statements that

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that are required to be able to um

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achieve this uh this award. So this has

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been awarded for the uh for the 2024 uh

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report and I believe that this this one

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is also going to be submitted as well

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for 2025.

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Um after the introductory section comes

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the financial section. The financial

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section the first item within there is

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the uh independent auditor's report. Um

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so obviously this is our report on the

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financial statements. Uh it is broken up

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into various sections. I'm going to

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point out a few of the sections and

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paraphrase a few items within there. So

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the first section is our opinion

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section. That's the most important

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section. It it describes what we've

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audited and it also tells you what our

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opinion is on the financial statements

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and that states that we have audited the

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accompanying financial statements of the

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town of Lockxahei Groves as of and for

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the fiscal September 3rd, 2025. In our

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opinion, the financials statements

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referred to above present fairly in all

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material respects the respective

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financial position of the government

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activities, business type activities,

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and each major fund of the town as of

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September 30th, 2025. Now, this is an

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unmodified or clean opinion, and that's

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of course the only opinion you want on

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your financial statements. The next

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section talks about under what standards

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we performed our audit and that states

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that we conducted our audit in

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accordance with the auditing standards

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generally accepted in the United States

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of America and government auditing

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standards.

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The next section talks about what

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management's responsibilities are for

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the financial statements and that states

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that management is responsible for the

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preparation and fair presentation of the

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financial statements. And the last

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section I'm going to point out here is

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right here on the first page, which is

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what our responsibilities are as

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auditors. And that states that our

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objectives are to obtain reasonable

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assurance about whether the financial

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statements as a whole are free from

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material misstatement, whether due to

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fraud or error, and to issue an

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auditor's report that includes our

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opinions.

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Now, after the uh after the auditor's

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report is the managed discussion

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analysis. The management's discussion

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analysis runs from pages three to page

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uh to page 15. So it's about it's about

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12 pages. And if and you'll note that

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it's 12 pages in a in a document that's

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over 100 pages. If no one reads anything

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else in this document should read this

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because it talks about the year. It

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compares current year to prior year and

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provides explanations for those changes

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year-over-year. And it's written from

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management's perspective. So it's a it's

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similar to what's provided in public

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company financial statements. And it um

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it is an excellent executive summary of

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what's what's in the document, you know,

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of the financial statements and the

552
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,400
notes and everything themselves. It

553
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,400
gives you a very good overview of

554
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:15,360
everything in that 12 pages. So that

555
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:19,480
runs from pages three to page 15.

556
00:21:15,360 --> 00:21:19,480
Now when we get to page 16,

557
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,679
this begins the financial statements.

558
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,200
And we're still in the financial section

559
00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:26,720
of the of the document. Obviously, the

560
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,840
financial state section is the largest

561
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:31,919
section. Um, this section includes the

562
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,679
governmentwide statement of net position

563
00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:35,760
and statement of activities as well as

564
00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:38,000
the fund financial statements for your

565
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:40,960
governmental funds and your enterprise

566
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:42,799
fund and your proprietary fund. Um, the

567
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:46,640
main thing I want to point out here is

568
00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:48,640
going to be on page 18.

569
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,679
So, page 18 is the balance sheet of your

570
00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:53,280
governmental funds. Um, and the first

571
00:21:51,679 --> 00:21:55,280
line the first column is the general

572
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,880
fund which is the operating fund of the

573
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:59,679
of the town. What I wanted to point out

574
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,159
here is that September 30th, 2025, the

575
00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:05,600
town had unassigned uh fund balance of

576
00:22:02,159 --> 00:22:09,240
approximately 1,164,000

577
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,240
um at year end.

578
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:16,960
Now, moving just past the the financial

579
00:22:14,159 --> 00:22:19,200
statement section,

580
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:21,280
we get to the the notes of the financial

581
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,559
statements. Now the notes to the

582
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:24,640
financial statements are the required

583
00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:26,960
disclosures which provide additional

584
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240
information on the town as well as the

585
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,320
numbers that are presented within the

586
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,679
financial statements. So it tells the

587
00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,679
whole story. You know it's it's

588
00:22:31,679 --> 00:22:36,640
suggested and I I personally believe

589
00:22:33,679 --> 00:22:38,080
required that uh that you read the the

590
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,280
notes in conjunction with the the

591
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,640
financial statements in conjunction with

592
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,240
the notes because it gives you

593
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,080
additional narrative information on the

594
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,000
numbers. It also give you gives you

595
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,600
additional numerical detail. So it gets

596
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,640
it gets more into detail within the

597
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:53,360
numbers. Um as an example for your

598
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:55,039
capital assets there will be uh you know

599
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,039
one number on the note on the on the

600
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:58,240
face of the financial statements but

601
00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,880
then in the notes of the financial

602
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:03,440
statements you'll see that

603
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,640
that the capital assets it gives you a

604
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,760
beginning balance by type of asset. It

605
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,280
tells you what tells you about the

606
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,039
increases the decreases and it gives the

607
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,640
ending balance. So it gives you you know

608
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:14,159
the the full the full story of what

609
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,000
occurred where we began and what

610
00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:18,159
happened during the year and then comes

611
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,600
to those totals and that which you get

612
00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:20,880
that net amount which is what you which

613
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,320
what you would see on the face of the

614
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,840
financial statements. So again a very

615
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,679
good lot of good information within the

616
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,520
notes within the notes of the financial

617
00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:30,480
statements.

618
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:34,000
Now beginning now beginning on page on

619
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:36,720
page 44 going to move to page 44 now

620
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,960
that begins the required supplementary

621
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,559
information.

622
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,400
So, the required supplementary

623
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:43,840
information is information that the the

624
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,360
Governmental Accounting Standards Board

625
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,360
requires that you include within within

626
00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,760
your financial statements. It includes a

627
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:51,600
budgetary comparison information as well

628
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,440
as information on the Florida Retirement

629
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,679
System and it gives you some some trend

630
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,840
information as well. Um, what I'd like

631
00:23:55,679 --> 00:23:59,120
to point out here is you can see this.

632
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,039
There's a lot of good information just

633
00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:03,280
on this one page because it it gives you

634
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:05,840
your general fund budget, gives you the

635
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,679
original adopted budget, final amended

636
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,080
budget, and then your actual results and

637
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:12,240
then comparing those actual results to

638
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,919
the to the final amended budget showing

639
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:16,559
what those what those budget variances

640
00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:18,559
are. Um, so once again, a lot of good

641
00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,919
information here. And you can see just

642
00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,760
as an example, you see total

643
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:24,400
expenditures. The original budget was

644
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,840
approximately 3,291,000.

645
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,480
The final amended budget was

646
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,559
approximately 3,522,000.

647
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,559
The actual results were approximately

648
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:34,960
3,429,000.

649
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,080
So you have a positive uh budget

650
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:40,080
variance of approximately $93,000

651
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,679
um within total expenditures. So again,

652
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:46,720
this is a lot of good information just

653
00:24:41,679 --> 00:24:52,000
just on this one page. Um and um

654
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:52,000
you will also see if we go to page

655
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,400
We go to page 52,

656
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:05,279
you can see there's also, and this is on

657
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:08,720
all of the pages, you could see 10 years

658
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:11,200
of information of contributions

659
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,640
um related to the uh and also relates

660
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,080
the net pension liability related to

661
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,840
your Florida retirement system. So, it

662
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,840
gives you that information from 2016 all

663
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,240
the way to 2026. So you can kind of see

664
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:24,240
where the where the plan has gone um

665
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:25,600
over the last over the last 10 years.

666
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,559
Now we're going to move into the third

667
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,679
section. So we've looked at the

668
00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:28,720
introductory section. We've looked at

669
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:30,159
the financial section. Now we're going

670
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,000
to look at the statistical section. This

671
00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:34,320
was the other section that I mentioned

672
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,799
that is that is included as a

673
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:40,240
requirement for the GFO certificate

674
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:43,120
program. This section includes uh trend

675
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,200
information uh financial information or

676
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:47,440
and generally over 10 years. So you'll

677
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,919
have financial information. Um you see

678
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,080
here you have the net position that's

679
00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:54,159
being shown over the last over the last

680
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:57,279
uh over the last 10 years. Here you see

681
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:59,200
2016 to 2025. So there's also financial

682
00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:01,520
information. You also have information

683
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,760
on operating information within within

684
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,279
uh the statistical section. And this is

685
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,960
a really important section. The town the

686
00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:09,360
town puts a lot of work into putting

687
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:11,840
getting this information together. Um,

688
00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:13,520
and it's it's excellent for the readers

689
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,960
to come in and be able to see, you know,

690
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,880
where the where the where the town has

691
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,520
been over the last over the last 10

692
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,480
years. Um, as simple as, you know,

693
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,000
looking at full-time uh equivalent town

694
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,120
employees by function. So, basically

695
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:28,640
showing that um and also talking about

696
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,000
uh several different types of operating

697
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,039
indicators that are required to be

698
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,679
shown. Again, it's just something that

699
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:36,080
that assists the town in um in seeing

700
00:26:33,679 --> 00:26:37,760
that history.

701
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,279
Moving from there, we get into our

702
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,520
compliance section, which is the fourth

703
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:43,440
section. This section includes the

704
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,799
reports that are required under uh

705
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,120
generally accepted government auditing

706
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,320
standards. Um and as well as the rules

707
00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:50,799
of the utter general of the state of

708
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,200
Florida. So this within within within

709
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:56,159
these reports here we did we did note

710
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,240
that that we found um two significant

711
00:26:56,159 --> 00:27:00,400
deficiencies in internal control and

712
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,559
three instances of non-compliance which

713
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,480
we have reported within the document and

714
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,159
management has provided responses and

715
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,320
those are those are also included within

716
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:09,320
the document.

717
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:16,480
In addition to that you also received a

718
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:19,840
communication to those charged with

719
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,279
governance letter. Um so as your

720
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,000
auditors and under a professional

721
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,840
standards we are required to um go over

722
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,600
certain matters with you and we always

723
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,200
feels it's it's the best to put it with

724
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,760
it within a letter to explain it. These

725
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,200
are all uh standard communications. It

726
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,360
talks about if there was any you know

727
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,840
changes in accounting policies if

728
00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,200
there's any any particular uh notes to

729
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,480
the financial statements that we that we

730
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,320
point out that you may want to you may

731
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,120
want to look at. Um those notes it

732
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,480
doesn't mean that it's anything

733
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,320
negative. It's just saying hey you know

734
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:49,760
you might want to take a look at these.

735
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,039
Um, also talks about if we had any any

736
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,799
uh corrected or uncorrected

737
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,480
misstatements. Um, they're noted there

738
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,840
as well. Some some adjustments that that

739
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,520
needed to be made to be made to the

740
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,159
financial statements. It also talks

741
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:03,200
about if we had any anything to report

742
00:28:00,159 --> 00:28:04,640
any any other um findings or issues

743
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,399
which we also mentioned in there as well

744
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,399
that we that we did identify those two

745
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:10,080
significant deficiencies um in three

746
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:11,679
instances of non-compliance which again

747
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,840
are described in that schedule of

748
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:15,919
findings and responses which management

749
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:20,159
has provided uh responses to those as

750
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:21,840
well. Um overall I just wanted to uh

751
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:25,600
thank the town for the the opportunity

752
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:27,039
to to to u be of service. Um, it is an

753
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,440
honor and a privilege and it's it's a

754
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,279
it's a uh it's a responsibility that we

755
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:34,080
take that we take very seriously and we

756
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:36,159
uh we we appreciate the um the town's

757
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,520
hard work and the town's cooperation and

758
00:28:36,159 --> 00:28:39,360
assistance throughout the process to be

759
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,520
able to have the opportunity to to

760
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,120
present to you today. Um with that, I'll

761
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,200
leave it there. I mean, I'll open it up

762
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,880
to any questions that you have of me, of

763
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,640
the manager, of the of the finance

764
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,399
director at this time. Thanks again for

765
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,159
the opportunity to uh to present to you

766
00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:54,000
this evening.

767
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:56,000
» Thank you. Uh, Council Member Kaine has

768
00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,159
her question light on.

769
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:02,399
» Right. Well, my first concern, well, I

770
00:29:00,159 --> 00:29:04,559
have a couple of concerns.

771
00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:10,000
My first concern is I didn't receive

772
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:12,320
this document until 3:51 today. So, um,

773
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:15,279
I haven't had a chance to really dig

774
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:18,320
deep into it. Um,

775
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:21,279
is there a and of course this doc this

776
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:25,200
audit itself was due several months ago.

777
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:27,760
Can you speak to why the audit is late?

778
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,440
» Yeah, it's uh and I can actually uh if

779
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,279
the if the manager would like to would

780
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,799
like to respond. Um I know that

781
00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:35,039
everything is is reported within the

782
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,080
document um as far as as far as what you

783
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:38,960
know what we found and what the

784
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:42,559
responses are of management related to

785
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,399
related to uh the delay in in the

786
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,919
completion of the audit and the fact

787
00:29:44,399 --> 00:29:48,080
that we're here today being able to uh

788
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:52,240
present to you.

789
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:54,000
» Okay. Uh the second thing is again I

790
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,919
didn't receive this document till I was

791
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,360
literally walking out to feed my horses.

792
00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:59,360
So I haven't been able to spend a whole

793
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:03,760
lot of time with it but a brief perusal

794
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:05,600
of this looks like a lot of the uh

795
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:10,880
issues and that's really the section

796
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:14,000
that I usually look at is uh your the

797
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:17,039
you know where there were issues um were

798
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:22,080
have to do with our financial reporting.

799
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:25,760
Um, do you feel that the move, the shift

800
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:28,960
that we've recently made to using a firm

801
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,720
and then an in-house financial person

802
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,120
will

803
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,440
help to address these concerns so that

804
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,600
they don't happen in the future?

805
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,840
» Yes, I do. and I and in conversations

806
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,840
with the with with with the manager as

807
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:44,320
well as the as well as how management

808
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:47,440
has responded to the uh to the to the

809
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,279
concerns um the the change in the move

810
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,840
should should should assist in that in

811
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:53,679
that process going forward.

812
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,159
» Thank you.

813
00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:59,360
» So just for the record um I did receive

814
00:30:56,159 --> 00:31:02,960
the draft ACFR

815
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:05,840
uh from Andrew uh I believe it was at

816
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240
316 is when I got it from you Andrew. Is

817
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:06,720
that

818
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,799
» Yeah.

819
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,039
» Yeah. And I sent it out to council at

820
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:13,440
3:30. So, I mean, almost immediately

821
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:15,039
after I received it, I sent it out. Um,

822
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,840
and I think when he refers to

823
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:21,039
management, we're spec we're specifying

824
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,399
um really the financial consultants. Um,

825
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:24,159
because naturally, they're the ones that

826
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:27,440
have to put the information together and

827
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:30,000
provide it to uh the auditors and a lot

828
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,520
of the delays uh were with inconsistent

829
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:35,520
information and having to go back and

830
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:38,159
forth and correct that information.

831
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,640
Uh may I add something to address what

832
00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,240
was said?

833
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200
» I see that you were there. Yes, please

834
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,320
speak.

835
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,120
» Okay. Thank you. Um just to note that

836
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,799
the idea is obviously that the model

837
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,279
that we've put in place now is going to

838
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:54,640
solve these problems going forward. That

839
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:58,720
said, some of these are um we're coming

840
00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:01,200
in in August of 2026 for a fiscal year

841
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,679
that's ending in 30 days, which means

842
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,559
that some of these issues that are noted

843
00:32:03,679 --> 00:32:08,480
in this audit, we can't fix what

844
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:12,159
happened for the first 11 months of the

845
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:15,200
year, we can only fix it going forward.

846
00:32:12,159 --> 00:32:16,799
So, um, depending on how an auditor is

847
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,279
going to view that and and I can't

848
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:21,919
predict how that's going to to come

849
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:23,840
about, um, sometimes they'll clear the

850
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:25,840
comments if it's cleared by the end of

851
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:28,240
the fiscal year. Sometimes they say

852
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:32,159
they'll include it. They'll lower it to

853
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,840
a a lower a lesser type of finding, you

854
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:35,600
know, going from a significant

855
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,679
deficiency to an internal control

856
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:42,159
deficiency. um and then comment that

857
00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:44,320
it's cleared going forward, but that

858
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:47,279
during the year under audit, it wasn't

859
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:49,440
addressed. I just wanted to be perfectly

860
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:52,880
clear. It's not going to wave a magic

861
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,760
wand and fiscal year 26 is going to be

862
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:58,960
perfect because we're coming in too late

863
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:02,720
in the end of fiscal 26 in order to get

864
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:04,080
everything fixed in 30 days.

865
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,440
» Thank you. And just for the record,

866
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,799
could you please say your name since

867
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,799
you're here virtually?

868
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,320
» I'm sorry. Ivon Claybourne, CRI

869
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:12,000
Advisors.

870
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,080
» Thank you.

871
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,760
» And and I concur with with Ivonne. And

872
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,120
that's typically how it works. And then

873
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,039
in in mentioning seeing that things are

874
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,200
going to improve with is on a on a going

875
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:22,480
forward basis. So um one of the first

876
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,320
things that we do when we come back for

877
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,640
the audit obviously is we go over we go

878
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,399
over the prior year uh the prior year

879
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,399
findings, discuss that and say, "Okay,

880
00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:32,159
what what what has been done um to

881
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:33,440
correct these going forward?" And

882
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,880
obviously if they were if they were an

883
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,360
issue during the year typically they

884
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,600
they they are they are repeated but

885
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,120
there is but the response is that that

886
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,799
has been that obviously has been

887
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,720
corrected going forward. And it is and

888
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,519
it and the the finding typically is

889
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:50,880
adjusted to to note that we reviewed

890
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:52,240
information subsequent to noting that um

891
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,760
you know that the matter the matter

892
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,519
appears to have been appears to have

893
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,519
been resolved going forward even though

894
00:33:55,519 --> 00:33:59,679
the matter was um was an issue during

895
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:02,480
the year. So um that's exactly right. So

896
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:05,279
I I concur with what Ivonne said.

897
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,679
And if you look at page 72, uh if you

898
00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:09,599
look at 202502 financial closed

899
00:34:07,679 --> 00:34:11,679
reporting, there's a statement in there

900
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,599
uh under criteria where it states the

901
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,919
town currently lacks personnel to allow

902
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,599
for appropriate and adequate review of

903
00:34:15,919 --> 00:34:19,520
accounting data and financial

904
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:21,200
information. Timely preparation and

905
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,800
accurate accounting reconciliations are

906
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,119
key to maintaining adequate internal

907
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,639
control over financial reporting. And so

908
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:30,480
when you look at the responses, the

909
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:32,159
responses uh, you know, go back to, you

910
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,480
know, this new hybrid model that we're

911
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:36,960
looking to implement.

912
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:40,079
Thank you.

913
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:42,800
» Any other questions?

914
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:45,839
Any questions from the public? Just

915
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:47,760
wanted to say thank you.

916
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:49,599
» We have a public

917
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,720
» Tracy's whi whipping a card around back

918
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,560
there.

919
00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:54,240
» Well, look out, Andrew. It's the chair

920
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:59,639
of the finance committee wanting to come

921
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:59,639
forward for questions. So,

922
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:03,680
uh oh, she's got a file folder.

923
00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:04,720
» No, no. Unacceptable. Got right. We got

924
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,960
right ahead.

925
00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:07,960
» See that?

926
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:16,200
» Talk closer to your microphone. No.

927
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,200
» It's hidden.

928
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:28,079
I like a lot.

929
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,720
» TMI.

930
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:32,480
» Yeah, that's my favorite little TMI.

931
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:33,839
» Hi, Andrew. Can you hear me?

932
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,720
» Yes, can hear you.

933
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:38,560
» Hi, this is Tracy Rafitz, 1261 FRO,

934
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:40,800
chair of the fact committee. So, I have

935
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,240
a couple questions since I got this at 4

936
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,320
o'clock this afternoon as well. Um, the

937
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:48,880
big one, if your audit had not been

938
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,119
identified and corrected, not identified

939
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,720
and corrected, the adjustments, would

940
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:56,560
the town's financial statements have

941
00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:59,200
been materially materially misstated?

942
00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,040
» Yes. Yes. That's typically the the the

943
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,160
material adjustments that we find. If

944
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,320
they're not if they're not corrected,

945
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:06,320
they would be materially misstated. Yes.

946
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:09,359
» Okay. The town's initial working trial

947
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:12,240
balance required 59 audit adjustments

948
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:14,160
totaling approximately $10 million from

949
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:16,800
for a municipality our size. Is that

950
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,400
normal?

951
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,480
» No. Typically when we get the working

952
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,839
trial balance um there's not there's not

953
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:25,440
that many adjustments that that are

954
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:26,720
required um prior to getting it. Um so

955
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,240
when there's that when there's that many

956
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,599
adjustments that means that the that the

957
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:31,680
working trial balance wasn't was not

958
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,760
completely adjusted when we received it.

959
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,760
Um and then I and then as the process

960
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,040
went through as as as we asked questions

961
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,880
there was there had been adjustments

962
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,920
that were that had been that have been

963
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,359
recorded um even internally subsequent

964
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,839
to us receiving the working trial

965
00:36:43,359 --> 00:36:47,119
balance. So as as the manager stated

966
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,800
that's exactly what happened. There was

967
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:50,240
there was there was discrepancies and

968
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,240
changes and there was there was a lot of

969
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:54,480
back and forth in the process um to come

970
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:57,040
to come to the point of having the uh

971
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,560
the the the fully adjusted trial balance

972
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,760
and obviously fully adjusted financial

973
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,079
statements.

974
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,320
So, of that $10 million, how much was

975
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:06,160
routine reclassification and how much

976
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,560
was represented as actual errors

977
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,160
affecting our cash, revenues, expenses,

978
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:14,000
receivables, payables, or fund balance?

979
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,359
» So, that detail that detail we would we

980
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,880
would have to get back to you. I can

981
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:19,200
tell you though that there was there was

982
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:21,440
several reclassifications.

983
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,119
» So, those 59 adjustments were they

984
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,720
identified by the town staff before the

985
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:26,320
actual audit or were they primarily

986
00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:29,119
discovered by the auditors during the

987
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,880
audit process?

988
00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:33,200
So I so I believe it's it's a

989
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,880
combination of both. Um I think that

990
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,359
when we received the the working trial

991
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,520
balance there once we um identified that

992
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:40,720
there was differences, it was it was

993
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160
explained that there was adjustments

994
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:44,560
that had been have been recorded that

995
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,680
had not been provided um that they had

996
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:50,079
been recorded internally. Um we consider

997
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,839
those audit adjustments because anything

998
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,280
anything that gets adjusted based on one

999
00:37:51,839 --> 00:37:55,200
of our questions or based on something

1000
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,599
that we propose um they're considered

1001
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,440
audit adjustments. Um but they were

1002
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:01,920
several of them were explained as as

1003
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,880
adjustments that had been recorded but

1004
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,960
uh had not been provided to us. Um again

1005
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,640
going back to the to the point of the

1006
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,160
working trial balance initially that we

1007
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:14,000
received was not was not fully adjusted.

1008
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,920
» You classified the financial close and

1009
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,320
the reporting problems as a significant

1010
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,960
deficiency but not a material weakness.

1011
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,960
Can you explain why?

1012
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,960
So we consider we consider it a uh a

1013
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:29,680
significant deficiency uh in the in the

1014
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:31,760
in the respect that they um that this is

1015
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:35,680
the the first year once again of having

1016
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,960
this number one. Um number two the the

1017
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,720
adjustments that the adjustments that

1018
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:42,320
were that were provided um it's a it was

1019
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:43,599
how it was a combination of adjustments

1020
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,359
that they had not been fully adjusted

1021
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:47,440
and ones that we had proposed and that's

1022
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:48,640
the reason why we uh we classified as a

1023
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,119
significant deficiency as opposed to

1024
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,880
material weakness.

1025
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,320
uh the bank reconciliations, were you

1026
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,839
able to determine if the accounts

1027
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,440
actually had been reconciled or

1028
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:59,359
reviewed, but the signatures and dates

1029
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,760
were simply missing or could you not

1030
00:38:59,359 --> 00:39:05,040
really establish that an independent

1031
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,640
review occurred at at all?

1032
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
» So we so yeah, this since the

1033
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,040
documentation wasn't there, it was

1034
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,480
explained to us that there was that

1035
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,280
there was an independent review. It just

1036
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,640
we we weren't able to um to identify and

1037
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,560
there was the proper audit trail for it

1038
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,760
wasn't there. Hence why we had the uh

1039
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:22,800
the uh the finding

1040
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:24,800
You tested 41 POS.

1041
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,880
30 did not have corresponding purchase

1042
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,880
orders available. Were you able to

1043
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,480
verify through other documentation that

1044
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,839
those purchase orders were properly

1045
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:34,839
authorized before the money was spent?

1046
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:39,040
» Thanks.

1047
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:40,880
» So yeah, within within those se within

1048
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,320
those selections, the there was

1049
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,680
authorization whenever we looked at the

1050
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,400
expenditures, there was authorization

1051
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,560
for the uh for the payment. Were they

1052
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,760
signed?

1053
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,040
» It just was obvious obviously there

1054
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
wasn't there wasn't there was not there

1055
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:53,760
was not purchase orders.

1056
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,119
» Were they signed?

1057
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,480
» I'd have to see how I'd have to see how

1058
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,040
that how that would go through in the

1059
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:01,200
system. Uh I will confirm that.

1060
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,800
» During your audit, did you identify any

1061
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,359
transaction that appeared to be

1062
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,040
unauthorized, unsupported, duplicated,

1063
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,560
improperly paid, or otherwise

1064
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:11,440
questionable?

1065
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,640
» Can you repeat the question?

1066
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,599
» Do you need a minute?

1067
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,839
» No. I said, can you repeat the question?

1068
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:19,359
During your audit, did you identify any

1069
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:22,640
transaction that appeared to be

1070
00:40:19,359 --> 00:40:24,800
unauthorized, unsupported, duplicated,

1071
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,200
improperly paid, or otherwise

1072
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,560
questionable?

1073
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,480
» Other than other than what we reported

1074
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,119
in the document, uh within our within

1075
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,640
our findings, no,

1076
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:36,640
» The audit was not completed within the

1077
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,480
nine months required by Florida law. In

1078
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,040
your opinion, was the primary cause the

1079
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,000
auditor's timetable or was it the time

1080
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,079
the town's inability to timely close,

1081
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,760
reconcile or provide accurate financial

1082
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,359
records?

1083
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,520
» Well, was yeah, it was as a result of

1084
00:40:49,359 --> 00:40:52,720
the of the information of the uh

1085
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,079
information that was provided and the

1086
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:56,560
back and forth that was required based

1087
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:58,079
on the uh primarily due to the initial

1088
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,520
trial balance and the and the and the

1089
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:02,240
back and forth throughout the process of

1090
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,359
of the um multiple adjustments and and

1091
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,520
questions on the information that was

1092
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:06,880
provided. When you asked for

1093
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,880
information, how long did it take you to

1094
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,880
get

1095
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:16,720
» From the responses? Responses were

1096
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:18,240
pretty uh were pretty quick when we

1097
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:19,760
would receive responses and there was

1098
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:21,359
maybe some points where some time would

1099
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,040
go by where we where we wouldn't uh

1100
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:25,520
wouldn't receive responses. So, it was

1101
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:28,240
it was it was a little bit of both.

1102
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,960
Was it recently or the whole nine months

1103
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:33,839
that was it recently that you received

1104
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:37,839
better responses or was it the whole

1105
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:40,160
nine months of asking?

1106
00:41:37,839 --> 00:41:42,640
» Uh I believe it was it was again it was

1107
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,400
it was a mix throughout the process. Um

1108
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,640
I can't really I can't really recall now

1109
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,079
the exact uh time frame of how long it

1110
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,680
took for responses throughout the

1111
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:51,599
process.

1112
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,280
And then lastly, based on everything you

1113
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:55,920
saw during this audit, are the

1114
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,480
corrective actions management

1115
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,520
is prop are the corrective actions

1116
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,359
management proposed sufficient? And what

1117
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,240
specifically should council require to

1118
00:42:03,359 --> 00:42:08,000
see during fiscal year 26 to know these

1119
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:11,119
problems actually have been corrected

1120
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:14,000
rather than simply promised?

1121
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:15,440
» Yes, I believe so. Um, and it it's going

1122
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,040
to be it's going to be a direct result

1123
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,720
and we're we're going to know when it

1124
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,599
when it comes time when the the year end

1125
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:22,880
close um comes cuz as Ivon as Ivonne

1126
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,920
mentioned, you know, as it relates as it

1127
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,119
relates to the findings, if something

1128
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,040
was happening during the year and it

1129
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:29,119
comes up and we go back and check, it

1130
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,400
may be repeated, but that doesn't mean

1131
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:35,040
that um next year's audit process um

1132
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,960
will take will take as long. So the the

1133
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,960
process will be we'll meet uh we'll meet

1134
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,400
early on obviously that basically we're

1135
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,280
going to basically be rolling right into

1136
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:44,960
2026 you know providing our requests

1137
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,119
we'll we'll speak with uh with

1138
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,880
management um come up with come up with

1139
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,280
an appropriate timeline working

1140
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,720
backwards from the deadline to see to

1141
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,800
explain exactly when we need the

1142
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:57,280
information to be able to uh be able to

1143
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,760
move forward. And I think the best way

1144
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,920
the best way for uh for council to know

1145
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,680
is obviously receiving um you know

1146
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,520
regular regular updates from uh from

1147
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,599
from town management as to as to how

1148
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,599
that process is going.

1149
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:11,599
» Just so council knows, I have 100% faith

1150
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:14,640
in Yavon and her people after speaking

1151
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:16,319
with her last night that it's going to

1152
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:20,640
be an incredible year because I think

1153
00:43:16,319 --> 00:43:24,160
the staff now has has a way to speak

1154
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,000
with her openly and get documentation a

1155
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,160
lot better. So, I think our books are

1156
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,880
going to be really good for 26

1157
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,280
» Next year.

1158
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,280
» All right.

1159
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,599
» Coming year.

1160
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,240
» Any other questions, comments? Thank

1161
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:35,920
you. Thank you.

1162
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:39,359
» I think that sounds like Tracy looks

1163
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,400
forward to fing up until like 28 208.

1164
00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:41,920
» Thanks.

1165
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,319
» Very excited about it. She's going to

1166
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,760
chair

1167
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:45,680
» Andrew. Thank you. Thank you for all

1168
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,640
your hard work. I It was a long time

1169
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:52,079
coming. So, and hopefully the changes

1170
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,520
will make your job next year easier. So,

1171
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,880
» Thank you.

1172
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,359
» All right.

1173
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:01,280
That will bring us to uh agenda item

1174
00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:04,760
two. I know that we all have some notes

1175
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,760
on this one.

1176
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,920
» Got somebody fast on her button over

1177
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:13,760
here. So

1178
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,760
» First, but she's okay.

1179
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,800
Council member Kaine.

1180
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,720
» Thank you.

1181
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,480
» So,

1182
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,040
well, we were at the league conference

1183
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,079
this weekend. uh the mayor, the vice

1184
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,160
mayor, and myself. At one point, I had a

1185
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:29,920
little break for something and I said,

1186
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:34,480
"I'm going to go to my room and figure

1187
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,599
out this RV problem." Well, I didn't. Um

1188
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:37,520
here's what

1189
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:39,359
» That was very antilimactic.

1190
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:42,160
» That's pretty ambitious of me. But

1191
00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:44,240
here's what I did figure out. Here's a

1192
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:47,280
couple of things I did figure out. I

1193
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,200
figured out that

1194
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,960
as I don't know who said it. I think

1195
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:53,119
Miss Standish said it before. There

1196
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,040
appears to be some kind of a disconnect

1197
00:44:53,119 --> 00:44:57,200
because

1198
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,119
we have repeatedly I I know because I'm

1199
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,880
one of the ones who said it have said

1200
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:06,800
that we are looking to simplify this RV

1201
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:10,520
program. We are looking to not have it

1202
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,520
be this laborintensive

1203
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,920
thing for staff because we quite frankly

1204
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:19,119
don't have the staff for it. Um, and we

1205
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:21,599
are looking for it to be user friendly,

1206
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:25,599
easy for people to comply with so that

1207
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,240
they will actually comply. And I read

1208
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:31,240
none of that in here. I mean, I read

1209
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:31,240
additional

1210
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,800
problems. You've got to now you got to

1211
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,400
go to the health department too and get

1212
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,760
a permit from them besides getting a

1213
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,800
health permit from us. I mean, the whole

1214
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:44,160
thing just smacks a bureaucracy and red

1215
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:47,200
tape. And the bottom line at the end of

1216
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:50,720
the day when I was done digesting all of

1217
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,960
this, the bottom line I came to is the

1218
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,640
people who are going to follow the rules

1219
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,560
and who are going to do this the right

1220
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:59,119
way are going to do it whether they have

1221
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:01,520
a permit or not. And the people who

1222
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:04,400
aren't going to follow the rules, let's

1223
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:08,000
talk about Dro. What just happened three

1224
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:10,079
days ago? We had an RV catch on fire and

1225
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,400
on the news they reported that the main

1226
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,160
residence that was an RV next to the

1227
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,800
main residence. But here's the clicker

1228
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:18,560
folks. There is no main residence on

1229
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,720
that property. So I'm not sure whether

1230
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,280
the main residence was a lean to or a

1231
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:25,520
bigger RV. I mean I'm not sure what they

1232
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:28,000
I'm not sure what main residence they

1233
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:30,800
were referring to. So, the fact that

1234
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,040
there is an RV complex, one of which was

1235
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,960
so whatever the electric wasn't right,

1236
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,800
well, for whatever reason, caught on

1237
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:39,680
fire and jeopardized the entire

1238
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,440
neighborhood. Um, that's not somebody

1239
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,800
who's going to come in for an RV permit.

1240
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,520
All right? They're already what they're

1241
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:47,599
doing is illegal. I'm not sure what the

1242
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,000
solution is, but I know what the problem

1243
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:52,079
is. And it's not the people who rent out

1244
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,560
one or two RVs on their property for

1245
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:58,480
circuit who maybe have their son-in-law

1246
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,000
living there because he's fallen on hard

1247
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:02,240
times or whatever for a little while.

1248
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,560
And the the people who store their own

1249
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,040
personal RVs, they are not the problem,

1250
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,280
right? They're not the problem. The

1251
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:11,839
problem is the people that have four and

1252
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,560
five and 10 RVs buried in the woods out

1253
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:16,720
here that are nowhere close to roadw

1254
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,800
worthy that people are living in year

1255
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:20,800
round and that are creating situations

1256
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,640
like this. And I don't see anything in

1257
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,119
here. Requiring the people that are

1258
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,599
following the rules to jump through a

1259
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,079
set of circus hoops is not going to

1260
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:32,880
solve our RV problem. That's my soap box

1261
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:36,800
and I'm done.

1262
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:40,480
» Okay, Council Member Coleman. Yeah, I I

1263
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:41,760
agree with you, but I mean the the the

1264
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,960
reason for the health department is

1265
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:46,640
because you have a lot of um in my

1266
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,800
opinion, you have a lot of it's no

1267
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:50,000
different than you put in putting a

1268
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,640
mother-in-law's quarters on your

1269
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:55,520
property and you have to add a secondary

1270
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:57,839
septic or your septic doesn't or or your

1271
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,680
septic doesn't come in line. So, but you

1272
00:47:57,839 --> 00:48:01,680
but you throw that you threw that in

1273
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,160
with the bureaucracy of it all. And the

1274
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,839
whole idea is I and I get what you're

1275
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,200
saying. I'm with you. the people that

1276
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:08,400
are going to comply are going to comply

1277
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,359
and they're going to do the proper

1278
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:13,040
thing. Um, but I think it's still that

1279
00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:15,440
kind of stuff still needs to be there

1280
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:17,119
because um the minute you don't have it

1281
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,960
there and then somebody goes, "What do

1282
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:20,640
you mean I can't put a 55gallon drum in

1283
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
the ground with rocks in it and call it

1284
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,160
a day?

1285
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,000
» Just dump it on

1286
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,200
» Or just dump it on the ground."

1287
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,800
» And that's, you know, it doesn't say

1288
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,920
there that I have to have signed off by

1289
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:33,520
the health department. I mean, if your

1290
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:35,040
current septic tank will support it,

1291
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:36,400
they'll make that determination. You

1292
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,400
know, you don't necessarily have to add

1293
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,240
a septic depending on where what you're

1294
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:41,839
doing. But, I mean, something like that,

1295
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:43,760
I think, but I'm with you. It needs to

1296
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:44,880
be We've been saying since we've been in

1297
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:47,200
this around, I don't think we want to

1298
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,400
keep beating around annually either,

1299
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,520
right? But we've been saying since we

1300
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,760
started this, we're trying to make it

1301
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,400
simpler, right? And I think that's the,

1302
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,720
you know,

1303
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:57,839
» I don't see this as simpler. And again,

1304
00:48:54,720 --> 00:48:59,920
I don't see it as a solution. As Mr.

1305
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:02,559
Austin keeps pointing out, we have an RV

1306
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:04,160
problem. This is not a solution to the

1307
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:06,000
RV problem.

1308
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,839
» It wasn't intended to be a solution to

1309
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,079
the RV problem. I think we've all felt

1310
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:13,599
that code enforcement is the solution to

1311
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,520
the problem properties. So, do you want

1312
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:20,160
to start on the first page of the

1313
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,520
exhibit A section 92 010?

1314
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,200
um because we need to get through this

1315
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,559
and and direct staff so I can come back

1316
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,920
for first reading.

1317
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:30,960
» So you're on page three of eight.

1318
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,280
» Article 92.

1319
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,200
» On page four. Okay.

1320
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,040
» I I don't know which page because I'm

1321
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,079
going off my I'm going off my old notes.

1322
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,400
» It says four of eight.

1323
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:41,520
» So let me let me get to your page as

1324
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,160
well. Uh

1325
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,200
» Oh. He's going to get his glasses.

1326
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,599
» Uh you're on page four of eight. Okay.

1327
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:48,240
» Yeah.

1328
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,920
» Four of eight.

1329
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,520
» Article 92.

1330
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:54,520
eight.

1331
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Uh,2

1332
00:49:55,839 --> 00:50:01,200
that's

1333
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,640
that's the old ordinance 2407. I'm

1334
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,559
talking about article 92.

1335
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:06,559
» I'm talking about the new one. Go to

1336
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:08,559
page 14 of the current agenda.

1337
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,640
» But isn't the underlying stuff in this?

1338
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:12,240
» Go to go to page 14 of the current

1339
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,000
agenda. This is the proposed.

1340
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,400
» This is the new article 92.

1341
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,240
» Yeah,

1342
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,040
» That's what I thought. But just making

1343
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,319
sure.

1344
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,160
» Yeah.

1345
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:22,480
So, we should be on page 14 of the

1346
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,960
current agenda. I believe that's 14.

1347
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,280
Yes.

1348
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,200
» Ah, doesn't look like a copy. Look at

1349
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,000
that bon color.

1350
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:32,400
» So, uh

1351
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:35,200
the first section where it says as used

1352
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,960
in this article, bonafideed feed, uh

1353
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,480
agricultural use classification shall

1354
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:41,599
mean such classification signed by the

1355
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,680
Palm Beach County Property Appraiser. Uh

1356
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:48,160
I know council member Coleman, you've

1357
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:50,079
had issue with this. Um, so

1358
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:54,400
obviously we want if we're going to

1359
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:56,880
allow the caretaker one RV

1360
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:59,440
80% of the property has to be a use ad

1361
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,040
classified. How does that get determined

1362
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,680
Paul if you feel that that's not

1363
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,640
» I I think it's it's along the same lines

1364
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,520
of what you have to provide to the

1365
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:09,599
property appraiser because again keep

1366
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,760
hating to harp on this but you don't

1367
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:13,680
have to file with the property

1368
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,680
appraiser. So what do you want? So you

1369
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:16,960
want them to submit to staff because

1370
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,440
this is the one that's going to have the

1371
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,040
most regulation agriculture use.

1372
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,760
» I would say it will

1373
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,839
» Whoever's writing this needs to refer to

1374
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,240
the state a law and make sure that we're

1375
00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:30,079
compliant with that number one because I

1376
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:31,680
we have a lot of passionate people that

1377
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,520
that deal with this in our neighborhood

1378
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,720
in our town and they're going to be

1379
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,000
throwing it in our face every time we

1380
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:37,839
get a chance, right? So we need to make

1381
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,760
sure that it complies. But I would I

1382
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:41,599
would think property appraiser is one

1383
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,760
outlet, but I think there needs to be

1384
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:44,400
like the list of different things that

1385
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,040
we'll accept.

1386
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,079
» You can demonstrate

1387
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,400
» Schedule F for the IRS. You know, a copy

1388
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,920
of your sun biz, you know, multiple

1389
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:55,040
documents. Same things that you would

1390
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,040
supply to, you know, the property

1391
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,520
appraiser, you can supply to us in lie

1392
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,119
of the property

1393
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,280
» Appraiser. Would you agree that this is

1394
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:03,760
the one use that's going to have the

1395
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:04,800
most input from that? Absolutely.

1396
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,160
Because it's going to have to have a

1397
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,359
permitted septic. It's going to have to

1398
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:07,680
have permitted electric.

1399
00:52:07,359 --> 00:52:09,440
» Yeah.

1400
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:11,040
» Right. And it has to be 80% of the

1401
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,839
property to allow it.

1402
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:15,440
» Uh I think that one of my notes on that

1403
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:18,000
require was requiring tie-downs, but

1404
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:20,559
let's stay on this page. Um other notes

1405
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,839
on this page from me was the time the

1406
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:24,880
vehicle was going to be allowed on the

1407
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:26,880
property was proposed by the uldc. We're

1408
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,040
on page 14

1409
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,599
» 14 of the jobs.

1410
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,839
» So

1411
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:35,599
» No, that's is the old one off the chain.

1412
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:37,040
Uh, do we want to uh place a limit from

1413
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:39,839
November 1st to April 30?

1414
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,319
» It says that during November of the in

1415
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:44,160
the recommendation. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry.

1416
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:47,040
» I'm asking do we want to keep it?

1417
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:49,359
» Well, I mean, not to be Yeah, but don't

1418
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,559
polo start doesn't polo start showing up

1419
00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:51,599
like October 15th.

1420
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:53,680
» They're back.

1421
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:57,359
» They're back now. It's really depending

1422
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,079
on and I'm not trying to make it bigger,

1423
00:52:57,359 --> 00:53:00,400
please.

1424
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,160
» This was not us. This is I'm just saying

1425
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:04,640
but you know and there's a lot of horse

1426
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,680
folks on the uldc but my I guess my

1427
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,400
point is

1428
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,880
» Our horse season isn't necessarily just

1429
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,680
» Correct

1430
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,359
» Hunter jumpers or dr there's other folks

1431
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,599
» We want to keep this you want to strike

1432
00:53:13,359 --> 00:53:16,000
it

1433
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:17,520
» Also have a a growing season right

1434
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,119
that's a different season that you might

1435
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:21,599
want to bring in if you're a bonafide

1436
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:23,359
egg and it's growing peppers right and

1437
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:26,720
you might want to bring in people to

1438
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:29,880
stay to pick the peppers um I'm not sure

1439
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:29,880
I don't

1440
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,400
But

1441
00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:39,280
» I'm not sure

1442
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:41,839
» What their growing season is. However,

1443
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:43,920
we don't necessarily know that it is. So

1444
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:46,400
maybe we just want to say to a time

1445
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:48,240
period like six months

1446
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,559
» And I think it does say that it it's

1447
00:53:48,240 --> 00:53:51,680
just uldc had recommended a specific

1448
00:53:50,559 --> 00:53:53,200
six-month window.

1449
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,480
» And I get where they're coming from, but

1450
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,079
I just think that we

1451
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,880
» So we want to take that out. Strike it.

1452
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,400
» Discriminatory.

1453
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,880
» Yeah, I think so. It could be like six

1454
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,480
months within a within a 12-month period

1455
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,839
or something like that. Well, because

1456
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,880
calendar year is going to bridge, right?

1457
00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:06,319
So, yeah,

1458
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,920
» We're good with striking that. So,

1459
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:09,520
strike

1460
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:13,680
» Strike.

1461
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:17,040
All right, next page.

1462
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:20,640
So, yeah, here's where

1463
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,480
my my one note on this one was, do we

1464
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:26,400
want to require it to be secured down

1465
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,839
since it's going to be a a year round in

1466
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:31,599
essence resident for the caretaker? So,

1467
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:34,079
I don't think that's actually on here

1468
00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:35,680
though. So, it's going to need to be

1469
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:38,640
secured

1470
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,720
somehow that so that needs to be added.

1471
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:43,440
There is a securing thing later on,

1472
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:45,760
Lisa, but because I had that, but I also

1473
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,680
had the the question. So, are we under

1474
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,640
E, which I presume is what you're

1475
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,599
looking at.

1476
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:55,280
» Um, under E. So, are we saying that

1477
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:58,319
somebody has a a caretaker's quarters

1478
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,400
» Um that they must install a septic or

1479
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:02,640
hook up to a septic or why can't they

1480
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,119
have it pumped? because we're trying to

1481
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:08,000
discourage people from just parking RVs

1482
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:09,520
and staying on the property without

1483
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,520
» In essence there's there's a little more

1484
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,720
buy in, right? If you're you're not

1485
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,040
just,

1486
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:14,559
» You know,

1487
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:16,559
» I know I know currently if you're if

1488
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:18,880
you're building a house outside of here,

1489
00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:20,559
if you're building a house, um you they

1490
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,720
they still have that caveat that you

1491
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:25,119
could place a mobile home on the

1492
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,520
property for the term of building the

1493
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,119
house

1494
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,800
» Be your mobile home.

1495
00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:31,680
» Well, that's I'm getting at.

1496
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,520
This is just one of and they you don't

1497
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,200
have to have the septic set up ahead of

1498
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,359
time that's going to be for the house.

1499
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,760
You have a temporary septic which is a

1500
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:42,720
basically a big black tub that gets

1501
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:45,760
pumped out. Um, and in thinking of that

1502
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:48,960
maybe and hearing you guys talk, you

1503
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:53,119
know, this provision

1504
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:55,040
as far as I understand it, um, and you

1505
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:57,440
know, having the caretaker's quarters

1506
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,200
for a nursery is not set up when you're

1507
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,559
talking about tying down, it's not set

1508
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:05,440
up for an RV. That that's was more to a

1509
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:07,280
mobile home. um you know for for years

1510
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,720
you go by you go by a nursery and there

1511
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,880
would be a mobile home there and it's

1512
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,559
it's anchored it's secured it's sitting

1513
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:16,480
at the proper elevation it's got a

1514
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:20,000
septic of a kind right everything is

1515
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:21,440
permitted etc and inspected with an RV

1516
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,680
there's no per there's no building

1517
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,839
permit there's nothing and secure and

1518
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:28,000
it's you know it's sitting on tires it's

1519
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:29,520
not so I don't know how you go about you

1520
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,040
know maybe you'll find some engineer to

1521
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,160
design something for you but I don't

1522
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,920
know how you go about securing it

1523
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,359
» Secure the evac evacuated.

1524
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,440
» Correct.

1525
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:40,559
» But then again, if it's an RV, it's only

1526
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,960
supposed to be here 6 months though.

1527
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:45,119
» Not under on the A. That was what that

1528
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,480
discussion was about allowing it. Is

1529
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:46,880
that not something we want to allow

1530
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,559
then?

1531
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,240
» That's that's I was kind of having I

1532
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,520
know we talked about it before and just

1533
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:54,079
didn't dawn me, but that's what I'm kind

1534
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:55,200
of thinking about. If that's your where

1535
00:56:54,079 --> 00:57:00,680
you're wanting to go, I think it needs

1536
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,680
to be a permitted mobile home as

1537
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,799
» We can do that under state law for act,

1538
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:07,200
but I used to

1539
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:08,880
» Yeah.

1540
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,240
» Can we require them to have a mobile

1541
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,040
home or could they have their caretaker

1542
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:14,559
in an RV?

1543
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,760
» Um,

1544
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,359
» Something you might have to look into.

1545
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,319
» Yeah, I'm probably don't know that one

1546
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:20,480
off the top of your head.

1547
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:24,559
» Have to look into that a little bit. Um,

1548
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:27,920
and there's as bonafide a you do receive

1549
00:57:24,559 --> 00:57:28,720
a large amount of permit exemptions.

1550
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,359
» Correct.

1551
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,839
» Um, but I'll have to look into whether

1552
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:36,400
or not we can require a mobile home

1553
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:38,799
versus an RV as workers.

1554
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,839
» No, dwelling spaces aren't one of them.

1555
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:43,280
» Yeah, the dwelling that's the, you know,

1556
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:44,880
the whole caveat. That's how people are

1557
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,720
able to build these big palatial barns

1558
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,559
without permits. As long as there's no

1559
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:50,160
dwelling, no sleeping space, right?

1560
00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:52,240
because you only need the 4hour firewall

1561
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,319
this other stuff that's required. So I

1562
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,599
think we need to revisit that part.

1563
00:57:54,319 --> 00:58:00,480
» This was also partly for let's say an

1564
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:02,720
equestrian use that does not have a home

1565
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,240
right that is a a

1566
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,760
» That wants to leave somebody on property

1567
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:10,799
» That wants wants somebody there. Uh it

1568
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,240
would fall under the sixmonth limit and

1569
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:12,640
not under this. Is that what we're

1570
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,640
saying?

1571
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,079
» That's what I'm saying. Okay. Because if

1572
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,559
you're if you have a year round

1573
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:22,319
equestrian facility,

1574
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:25,520
you know, temporary RV is not conducive

1575
00:58:22,319 --> 00:58:27,359
to it's not a dwelling.

1576
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:29,040
» You know what I'm saying?

1577
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:31,200
» No, I understand.

1578
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:34,480
» So, we'll wait and hear back on whether

1579
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:38,240
that's even allowed as or we're required

1580
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,720
to allow it as versus a mobile home. So,

1581
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:43,280
that one is a question coming back. I

1582
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:47,280
know uh Karen we asked previously under

1583
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:49,760
our allowance for disabled folks uh

1584
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:52,559
there's been zero applications under

1585
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,559
that and then would the federal

1586
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,640
government override us anyway I think

1587
00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:58,319
was my question at the time if you were

1588
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,160
able to find that

1589
00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:00,960
» I have a question on H on that page are

1590
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,599
you are you

1591
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:06,240
» Not there yet okay sorry

1592
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:08,160
» Parking of the recreational vehicle uh

1593
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,760
specified in a lease agreement is this

1594
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,040
something we want to get involved in

1595
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,559
staff staffwise.

1596
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:14,160
» I I don't think we need to be seeing

1597
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:17,200
lease agreements.

1598
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:19,359
» So, I think we take that language out.

1599
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,200
» Um

1600
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:23,200
cuz we're not going to be reviewing

1601
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:26,559
that. I don't know how one removes that,

1602
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,960
but remove and you had something on H.

1603
00:59:26,559 --> 00:59:30,640
» I do because it says no recreational

1604
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,680
vehicle may be used for the storage of

1605
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:37,520
goods, material, or equipment. But this

1606
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,599
strikes me again as an enormous

1607
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:41,440
enforcement issue. How the heck do you

1608
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:43,359
know what's going on inside an RV? I

1609
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,880
mean, that one over there at Sea Road to

1610
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:46,720
Collective was clearly being used for

1611
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:49,359
storage. It was storing hay because it

1612
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:51,599
set on fire, right? But nobody knew that

1613
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:56,000
because who knows what's inside of the

1614
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,520
RV. So, I I just think, you know, it's

1615
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,119
like

1616
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,599
telling your kids you're not going to do

1617
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:03,200
this for a month, right? And then the

1618
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:05,040
problem is you're actually punishing

1619
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,319
yourself because for a month you have to

1620
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,720
enforce that. This is not something

1621
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:10,400
that's enforceable for us. We can't

1622
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:12,160
had code staff to go around and open the

1623
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:14,000
door of every RV and see what

1624
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,160
» To you to your point though it there was

1625
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:19,119
a fire so they got busted right there

1626
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,640
was there was evidence this is going to

1627
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:22,400
be complaint driven so if you've got

1628
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,400
somebody that complains hey you know

1629
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:28,400
they're using that as their

1630
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:30,079
» Back room right and then that gives

1631
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:32,319
staff the opportunity to go in and

1632
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:34,480
enforce something if it's not on the

1633
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:36,000
rules it's uninforceable right

1634
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,920
» But again yeah this says the

1635
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,520
recreational vehicle has to be able to

1636
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,200
be amused immediately. Certainly, it

1637
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,799
can't be as if it's strapped down, even

1638
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,160
if it's a year round. So, I think maybe

1639
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:45,599
we need a different ordinance for

1640
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,240
caretakers, but anyhow, go ahead. I

1641
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,720
think

1642
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:51,040
» That's possible, too. Um, and when what

1643
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:52,799
is the definition of roadworthiness,

1644
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,160
right? And I know that there's some

1645
01:00:52,799 --> 01:00:56,240
question if it's

1646
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:58,400
» I think it has to be tagged like

1647
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:01,280
» Well, if it's something you own, right?

1648
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,720
If I want to let my own RV tag expire

1649
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,799
because I don't have any plans of taking

1650
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:08,640
it anywhere, I think there has to be

1651
01:01:06,799 --> 01:01:10,160
some clarity here.

1652
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,280
» I think it said it has to be tagged

1653
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,040
whether it's your own or not.

1654
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:15,599
» I I don't think you can force somebody

1655
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:16,799
to tag their their vehicle, their RV

1656
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,200
that's they're storing on their own

1657
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:18,720
property.

1658
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,200
» Well, I mean, they force you to tag a

1659
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,119
vehicle vehicle, right? So, I mean,

1660
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,799
there's out out in the ether. I'm not

1661
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:26,880
sure about here, but out, you know,

1662
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:29,040
everywhere, you know, there's ordinances

1663
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,240
in towns and stuff that, you know, code

1664
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,480
enforcement drives by the house and

1665
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,240
there's a car without a tag.

1666
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,119
» They'll violate you. Yeah. Even if it's

1667
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:41,240
a

1668
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:41,240
» Do we require that now on all vehicles.

1669
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:46,400
The audience seems to have an opinion.

1670
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:47,920
Um,

1671
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,599
» There's there's a lot of stuff that

1672
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,200
there's a lot of stuff that's that's in

1673
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:54,400
there that you know that's why I've

1674
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:58,000
always said he's

1675
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,960
» Because it's defined as a motor vehicle

1676
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,559
you're supposed to have.

1677
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,200
» That wasn't my my question was do we

1678
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:06,720
require autos to have tags current tags

1679
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:08,880
under our current code? So this would

1680
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:10,880
just be an expansion of existing

1681
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:14,319
language

1682
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,480
» Existing harbs. No existing code period.

1683
01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,720
» Somebody's got a car repair place that

1684
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,960
they

1685
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,760
» I got a classic car that's I sit in my

1686
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,200
garage.

1687
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:24,400
» Does it have to be tagged? I know it

1688
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,480
does under cab under state.

1689
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,040
» Under state. Perfect. That's what we

1690
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,599
were looking for.

1691
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:29,520
» Sorry.

1692
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:32,480
» So, so you're telling me if I have a

1693
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:35,119
1965 Ford Mustang and it's sitting in my

1694
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,559
front yard, right? It's roadw worthy,

1695
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,079
but it doesn't have a tag on. I'm in

1696
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,599
violation of state statute because it's

1697
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:41,280
not registered even though I just bought

1698
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,000
it last week and it just got shipped

1699
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,599
here.

1700
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,880
» That's different.

1701
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:48,160
» And state

1702
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:50,400
» I'm gonna wait. We got a lawyer jump.

1703
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,160
» So just doing a quick search of your

1704
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:55,599
code does not appear that you have a

1705
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:58,000
local requirement related to abandoned

1706
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,000
vehicles, you know, or defining an

1707
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,359
abandoned vehicle as

1708
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,319
» Even in our nuisance abatement. You

1709
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:06,000
would think it would be there. the state

1710
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:08,720
statute

1711
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:11,440
which right the sheriff or state police

1712
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:14,880
would be enforcing

1713
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:15,599
is usually for a vehicle that is on the

1714
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,160
road.

1715
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,000
» Correct.

1716
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:20,880
» Right. It's just in your yard

1717
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,440
at least not yet. The

1718
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:25,680
» Gest that's along the lines of what I

1719
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:29,039
was thinking I I guess my point is I

1720
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,680
wouldn't say also you know that having a

1721
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:35,839
tag doesn't deem it roadw worthy, right?

1722
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:39,359
I I can I can have a 1985 uh Wnebago and

1723
01:03:35,839 --> 01:03:41,359
I go down to and I take all the title

1724
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:43,920
information and everything. I go down to

1725
01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:44,960
the tag office and I get a tag issued.

1726
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,559
They're not looking to see the

1727
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,720
Winnebago. They're going to issue my

1728
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:50,400
tag. I got a signed title with my name

1729
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:52,160
on it. They're going to issue my tag. Da

1730
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,000
da da da. I'm going to slap a tag on it.

1731
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,119
You come to my yard and the thing's half

1732
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:55,760
fallen apart.

1733
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:58,160
» Right.

1734
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:00,400
» Right. So, I think roadw worthy is, you

1735
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:02,880
know, it's it's got tires on it. It's

1736
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,280
not lack of tires, right? That and I

1737
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,480
think we do and again not trying to make

1738
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,079
things more difficult, but I think some

1739
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,200
of these things need to be defined. Yes.

1740
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:11,039
» You know, roadw worthy needs to be

1741
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:12,960
defined. There is a tongue on the

1742
01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:14,640
trailer. It's not,

1743
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:16,640
» You know, a mobile home doesn't have the

1744
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,599
apparatus to tow. Correct. It's got

1745
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,799
tires on it. It's got, you know, lights

1746
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:21,119
on it. I mean,

1747
01:04:20,799 --> 01:04:21,839
» Yeah.

1748
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:22,880
» Yeah. I don't think

1749
01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:26,079
» I think that needs a little more

1750
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:27,680
defining as well. So, uh, ownership of

1751
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,359
the vehicle, the vehicle park must be

1752
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:31,440
owned or leased by the property's owner

1753
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:35,440
or tenant. This this it goes back into

1754
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:37,359
that lease agreement. Um,

1755
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:40,880
how do we want to define that? I mean,

1756
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:43,760
the vehicle parked. This goes back to

1757
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:46,000
» Yeah. being able people obviously can't

1758
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,520
park other people's RVs,

1759
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:50,400
» But that goes to outdoor storage and we

1760
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:51,760
do have an outdoor storage, right? So,

1761
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,520
you know, I

1762
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,200
» I think if it goes back to being

1763
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,880
complaint driven and if somebody's like,

1764
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,000
you know, they've got eight RVs parked

1765
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,559
over there on the side of their

1766
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:02,720
property, you show up and they're

1767
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:03,119
charging people to park them there.

1768
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:03,920
» So,

1769
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,280
» Yeah,

1770
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:08,160
» And I think we've seen those around

1771
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:12,520
town. Uh, no major repairs, no problem

1772
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,520
with that. Let's see next page.

1773
01:05:12,799 --> 01:05:19,680
Okay. Yeah, this is where it gets really

1774
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:22,319
wild. All right. Uh so permit required

1775
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,119
uh if the recreational vehicle is being

1776
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:28,640
stored on the property and then I have

1777
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:30,720
owned question mark. So

1778
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:33,680
again, I think it's important to the to

1779
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,720
the words matter in these things that we

1780
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:39,920
are not

1781
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:42,000
we are not regulating people's

1782
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:44,400
private

1783
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,720
things, boats,

1784
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:52,319
you know, car toy hauler, you know, RVs,

1785
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:54,160
horse trailers, right? So I think that

1786
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:55,599
» This just may need some clarification

1787
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,839
that way.

1788
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,319
Um,

1789
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:01,200
» Yep.

1790
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:03,520
» In that same page on A, it says a town

1791
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:06,960
building permit is only required for an

1792
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:09,039
operational recreational vehicle if the

1793
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,480
recreational vehicle is occupied.

1794
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,640
» Yeah, I think we need to get away from

1795
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,640
this permit language because, you know,

1796
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:16,559
this again, maybe permit is the right

1797
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:19,760
language. I'll leave it up to the legal

1798
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:23,280
on that, but you know, this is more of a

1799
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:26,640
registration program. Uh and then going

1800
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:29,200
into that. So well that's I now I

1801
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,319
understand why you have stored as versus

1802
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:34,720
occupied. So

1803
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:36,559
and then my comment here is how is this

1804
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,640
simplifying all of these steps that have

1805
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:41,039
to be gone through and I also want to

1806
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:43,839
make another appeal here. I know I made

1807
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:45,760
it before for the people that have

1808
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:47,359
already gone through this process and

1809
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,240
allowed their property to be inspected

1810
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:52,400
last year and paid the fees that they

1811
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,240
should somehow be grandfathered in for

1812
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:56,240
however many years they were promised.

1813
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,680
They were promised a year or five years

1814
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,599
or whatever they were promised they

1815
01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:01,440
should be that we should stick to that.

1816
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,640
We we we asked them to have the

1817
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,640
inspection. I think there were what

1818
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,920
40ome people that that complied with

1819
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:10,240
that. I think those 41 people get a buy

1820
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,880
on this and for whatever period of time

1821
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,520
we said on

1822
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,359
» I disagree. We've got we've got vacant

1823
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:16,640
properties with four RVs on them. We're

1824
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:17,039
going to give them a campground for 5

1825
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:19,440
years.

1826
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:21,839
» No, I'm saying the 41 people that went

1827
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,440
through the process or they're and that

1828
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:24,960
are on record as going through the

1829
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,799
inspection and being inspected.

1830
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:29,039
» I know the one I'm talking about had

1831
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:31,039
gone through it. So, they get four years

1832
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:33,119
of getting four more years of having

1833
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:36,079
four RVs on vacant land. We complain

1834
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:39,079
about that person or there but that that

1835
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,079
caut

1836
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:44,079
the new the new requirements

1837
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,440
» Within the new requirements that have

1838
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:46,559
already had the inspection should get a

1839
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:51,039
buy because they've already paid the

1840
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:53,200
inspection fee and the but those people

1841
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:55,520
» On vacant land are not in the rules of

1842
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:58,079
the new compliance. So therefore they

1843
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:00,480
get from because they don't have the

1844
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:02,799
homestead. I think legal can guide us on

1845
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:04,480
amortizing that or not am advertising

1846
01:08:02,799 --> 01:08:06,559
that right so

1847
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,520
» Yeah I if you would like to provide for

1848
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:10,000
grandfathering we can do that and that's

1849
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,480
easy to do

1850
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,520
» Grandfathering those who still

1851
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:15,200
» Would qualify

1852
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,719
» Qualify under the new thing for

1853
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:18,719
» But I don't think you get five years for

1854
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:21,040
your $100 when it's going to be $50 for

1855
01:08:18,719 --> 01:08:22,719
everybody else every other year.

1856
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,159
» Well I was given five years for $100

1857
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:25,759
because it's my personal RV and it's

1858
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:27,679
still sitting there. I paid for a stored

1859
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:28,560
RV. I mean because that's what I was

1860
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:30,080
» Well, then maybe you should get your

1861
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,359
money back. I said, well, we still

1862
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,920
aren't anymore.

1863
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,040
» So,

1864
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,359
» Right. I think

1865
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,359
» I think what but I think what you're

1866
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,719
» Did that. Okay. Yeah. You know, so

1867
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,560
» I think the only route you're going is

1868
01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:42,239
that you don't think since you got a

1869
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,520
permit last year and it's good for five

1870
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,759
years, you should not have to go get

1871
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:49,359
another permit this year regardless if

1872
01:08:45,759 --> 01:08:51,279
it's $50 or $500. Yeah. No, I'm just

1873
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,560
using you as an example because, you

1874
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:54,880
know, I think that's what she's saying

1875
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,239
is I shouldn't have to go apply again

1876
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,080
this year.

1877
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,520
If if somebody who applied and has their

1878
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,719
thing is not compliant with the new

1879
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,679
ordinance,

1880
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:03,759
» Tough nookies, you know.

1881
01:09:01,679 --> 01:09:05,199
» But I'm just saying that $100 bought you

1882
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:06,480
five years under the old one. It doesn't

1883
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,120
buy you five years under the new one.

1884
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:10,239
That goes

1885
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:12,960
» I I get it. Well, you know, good for

1886
01:09:10,239 --> 01:09:14,319
» It's her owned own RV, though.

1887
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,799
» You shouldn't have to do it all under

1888
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,000
Exactly.

1889
01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:19,359
» You get a refund.

1890
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:20,719
» Um, so I think I think the form

1891
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:22,799
basically I don't have a problem with

1892
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:24,960
the form until it gets to dates the

1893
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:29,279
recreational vehicle will be on site.

1894
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:30,880
I'm I'm not sure

1895
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:32,159
right because if we're not going to

1896
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,480
limit that is that

1897
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:38,480
» Versus on-site versus occupied is what I

1898
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:40,159
have dates the RV would be occupied

1899
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:42,480
» Maybe that's a better language there if

1900
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:45,359
we're going to ask that question at all

1901
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:47,440
maybe it gets asked I don't I in our

1902
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:50,960
conversations in the workshop we talked

1903
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:53,279
about them signing under penalty of

1904
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:56,320
perjury that they attest that they have

1905
01:09:53,279 --> 01:10:00,000
a permanent electric a permitted um

1906
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:02,080
septic or they pump it out, right? And

1907
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,080
then again, if it's complaint driven,

1908
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,600
somebody says, you know, they're just

1909
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,280
pulling their cord out there. So, um you

1910
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:12,640
get in and that's when they get really

1911
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:14,960
tagged. Uh D.

1912
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,880
» Should we add something about the

1913
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:18,560
continued use of generator or something

1914
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,760
like that for power? So, they don't

1915
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:22,239
think that's a loophole.

1916
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,520
» Well, it says electric permit, but I I

1917
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:24,000
take your point. Yes. You know what I'm

1918
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,640
saying?

1919
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:28,719
» They cannot They cannot utilize um

1920
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:31,600
generator.

1921
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:33,280
» Yeah, you're not at a roping. You cannot

1922
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,120
stand.

1923
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:36,800
» It's not post Hurricane Francis. You

1924
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,560
can't go three weeks without power and

1925
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,840
still use your generator because FPL

1926
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:43,520
doesn't know how to fuse. Oh, sorry.

1927
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,800
» Um so,

1928
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,800
» And then Karen Karen on item K, my

1929
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,520
question was,

1930
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:54,000
do we want in an ordinance to set the

1931
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:55,600
fee? My concern is then we have to

1932
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,080
change the fee by ordinance. It just

1933
01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:00,480
could it just be set by council by via

1934
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,640
resolution? Can we leave that language a

1935
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:05,440
little more open-ended so that the point

1936
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:07,120
is starting the program encouraging

1937
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:09,920
compliance getting people used to

1938
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:12,640
complying and then if the cost of it we

1939
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:15,199
see is still higher then obviously

1940
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,520
adjusting the fee to to continue to

1941
01:11:15,199 --> 01:11:19,840
allow it to be. I I just was concerned

1942
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,120
that this if this language is in the

1943
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:22,960
ordinance then it would be hard to

1944
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,960
change in the future because it would

1945
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:26,880
require another ordinance. So

1946
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,679
» Typically these schedules are done with

1947
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,320
resolution.

1948
01:11:27,679 --> 01:11:30,400
» Okay. So

1949
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,679
» Digressing about the the six month

1950
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:33,520
change.

1951
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:34,800
» You're changing your mind. Well, I just

1952
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,120
thought about that as we're talk as

1953
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,560
we're talking and

1954
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:42,880
um you know the the

1955
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:45,120
purpose of this is not so we can have

1956
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:48,159
you know

1957
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:50,400
open-ended year round use right it it

1958
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:52,080
it's meant to be during the horse season

1959
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,920
of really kind of or

1960
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,880
» Six months is what we said

1961
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,800
» Six months period

1962
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,960
» Six months but it was for agricultural

1963
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:00,560
uses again you could have the pickers

1964
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:03,120
I'm trying not to be I'm a horse

1965
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:05,440
person's trying I'm trying Not to be

1966
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,000
» Well he says polo's already here just

1967
01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:09,199
for

1968
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:10,159
» Now they usually come Octoberish

1969
01:12:09,199 --> 01:12:12,000
somebody else here

1970
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:14,719
» Support all agriculture not just

1971
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,480
» I'm with you I'm just you know again I'm

1972
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:18,640
I'm actually a person that always says

1973
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:20,400
you can't build it for the one person

1974
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:23,760
that's going to violate you got to build

1975
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:25,199
it for you know um but what about the

1976
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,199
what about the person that says well I

1977
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:28,800
got you know four RVs on my property all

1978
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:29,360
year round and I'm going to Airbnb these

1979
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:32,400
things.

1980
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,120
» No that's already not allowed. Okay,

1981
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:36,000
that's

1982
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:40,719
» It says in here don't make it an Airbnb.

1983
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:43,360
» No, but th that number of RVs offers

1984
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:45,760
» I'm within my numbers,

1985
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:49,120
» Right? See, I got two

1986
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:51,679
» And I'm going to Airbnb them.

1987
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,960
» We can't stop people from Airbnb as long

1988
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:54,880
as we don't do it for more than six

1989
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:57,840
months.

1990
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,199
» So, how they how they come about being

1991
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,000
rented, I don't think we want to

1992
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:02,400
regulate that.

1993
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:07,120
» I don't think we can. So I can't either.

1994
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:10,239
» So um and then the the final one L that

1995
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:13,520
was um recommended by uldc with

1996
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:17,600
verifying occupant identification.

1997
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:19,120
Again I I say that that's just

1998
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:23,800
» Prohibitive.

1999
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:23,800
So do we want to remove that?

2000
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,280
» I don't think so.

2001
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:29,199
» I just I mean how are we how will we do

2002
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,960
that? We're looking I mean we're looking

2003
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:32,320
at a process that's gonna just meet

2004
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,440
staff might as well work weekends are

2005
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,159
free to do that.

2006
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,920
» Well I mean

2007
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:38,880
» It goes back to what I said which is

2008
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,480
again the people who like Lena who are

2009
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:41,199
ready

2010
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:43,679
out

2011
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,679
» They are not going to want a sex

2012
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:46,960
offender or a murderer in their RV and

2013
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:48,239
they're going to do their due diligence

2014
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,000
to take it. So the people that are

2015
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:51,760
following the rules are going to follow

2016
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,040
the rules and be responsible about it.

2017
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:55,679
What we have to

2018
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:57,199
» Especially homesteaded their homestead

2019
01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:58,480
where they're living. I mean, she's not

2020
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,920
going to want to have a pedophile living

2021
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:02,159
next door to her grandchild, you know?

2022
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:04,239
So, I'm pretty sure she's not l

2023
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:06,320
» Don't get me wrong. I I'm with you. I I

2024
01:14:04,239 --> 01:14:07,600
I would love that though to know. I

2025
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,159
mean, I lived it for three and a half

2026
01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:11,679
years and then watching SWAT teams every

2027
01:14:10,159 --> 01:14:13,040
three or four months go over there and

2028
01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:14,239
then put somebody in handcuffs and march

2029
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,840
them off the property.

2030
01:14:14,239 --> 01:14:18,000
» It's the offenders. They're they're not

2031
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,600
going to follow these any matter what we

2032
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:19,920
have on here. They're not going to do

2033
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,400
it.

2034
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,000
» We got I mean, that's like another issue

2035
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:27,920
that we to address.

2036
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:30,320
» Uh inspections. This is may maybe you

2037
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:31,920
want one by request. Um but certainly

2038
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,679
complaint driven, right? If you get a

2039
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,679
complaint about someone, right? Even if

2040
01:14:33,679 --> 01:14:37,280
they filled out this lovely little form,

2041
01:14:35,679 --> 01:14:38,880
you get a complaint, an inspection is

2042
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,840
happening, but it's not going to be a

2043
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,159
requirement.

2044
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,000
» Well,

2045
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,960
» Because we're trying to cut down cost

2046
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,400
and staff time.

2047
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,719
» Yeah, it's happening as long as I let

2048
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:49,199
you in at my gate.

2049
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:52,560
That's what this is about. Well,

2050
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:54,640
» I I I I'm assuming that's what this

2051
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:57,040
» You can put that you agree by signing

2052
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:59,920
this this form, you're agreeing that

2053
01:14:57,040 --> 01:15:01,440
under complaint, you're going to allow

2054
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:03,199
access.

2055
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,800
» Yeah. Yeah. I

2056
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:06,480
» I mean, again, this goes back to if

2057
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:09,040
you're going to be compliant, this is to

2058
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:10,400
help people absolutely gain compliance.

2059
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,920
» Again, I'm not picking on Lena, but

2060
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:14,000
she's not going to dump poop out on her

2061
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,880
ground, you know, like she's going to

2062
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,000
something there for her. cleanest place

2063
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,880
ever.

2064
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,360
» Yeah.

2065
01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,080
» So,

2066
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:25,600
» I I get what you're saying, but you

2067
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:26,880
know, not for nothing, if if you know,

2068
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,239
you come to my gate and I don't want to

2069
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,719
let you in. I don't have to let you in.

2070
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:32,560
» But offender, like particularly the one

2071
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:34,080
actually

2072
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:35,920
who's being talked about here on the

2073
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,600
day, that's somebody who never has

2074
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,480
allowed anybody onto their property,

2075
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:39,840
stood at their gate,

2076
01:15:38,480 --> 01:15:41,199
» Was clearly visible,

2077
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,480
» Even though the smoke was clearly

2078
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:44,159
visible, even though the neighbors

2079
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:46,239
complained. That's a it's a different

2080
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,640
issue. It's a it's a it's a different

2081
01:15:46,239 --> 01:15:48,159
issue,

2082
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:50,320
» But that's a different code enforcement

2083
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:52,960
process then, right? That escalates to a

2084
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:56,000
different level and that that should be

2085
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:57,520
something we provide for already

2086
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,840
» Through our processes. Right.

2087
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:58,640
» Right.

2088
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:01,199
» Okay.

2089
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,640
» Um so some of the language in D will

2090
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:05,440
have to be adjusted requiring

2091
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:09,280
inspection. Requiring inspection

2092
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:11,040
um the water hookup uh use of extension

2093
01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:12,880
cords. Uh I think that's where some of

2094
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:16,880
these fires start is the use of

2095
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,960
extension cords. So um again, how do we

2096
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,679
regulate that? Um

2097
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,199
» 100%.

2098
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:24,400
» I I can just say, you know, use of

2099
01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:26,640
extensions cards are discouraged and in

2100
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:29,600
the event of a

2101
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,679
outbreak of fire, your your permit is

2102
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:33,920
now invalid. Your registration's

2103
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:35,280
invalid. I mean, no, no one wants to

2104
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,199
start a fire, but they won't let us stop

2105
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:41,120
fireworks either. So it's a whole

2106
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:43,920
different problem. uh septic hookup. Um

2107
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:47,760
again, you're attesting that your septic

2108
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:50,000
is permitted. So, that I think is okay

2109
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:52,880
to be in there, that your statement of

2110
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,000
your septic permit is it was through the

2111
01:16:52,880 --> 01:17:00,040
health department and maybe some

2112
01:16:54,000 --> 01:17:00,040
language thereof. Solid waste. Um

2113
01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:07,840
I mean, is that language? I mean, it

2114
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:12,400
seems pretty innocuous to me. So

2115
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:15,920
uh and then lastly bunk houses

2116
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:18,800
you know we don't this is not to allow

2117
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:21,679
you know bunk houses you know this is

2118
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:22,880
for what would you call it recreational

2119
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:25,040
» Right we have to again

2120
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:29,920
» Recreational

2121
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:32,159
there's a use con consumer use versus

2122
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,440
what are basically

2123
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:36,960
uh emergency housing for first

2124
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,679
responders,

2125
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:42,320
right? So, I don't know how you guys

2126
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:45,520
weave that, you know, that's threading

2127
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:49,040
the needle, but I I see some of our

2128
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:51,280
larger a uses wanting to roll in a

2129
01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:54,320
couple bunk houses and a couple shower

2130
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,840
bathroom houses on wheels and say,

2131
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,719
"Well, it's allowed under your RV

2132
01:17:55,840 --> 01:18:00,480
permit." So, and I think that may be

2133
01:17:58,719 --> 01:18:03,679
something in here that your RV cannot

2134
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:05,440
exceed its stated capacity and that or

2135
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:08,159
may that may already be in here and I

2136
01:18:05,440 --> 01:18:12,880
apologize if it is, but the RV cannot be

2137
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:14,719
used for any use outside of its doesn't

2138
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,920
it have like a little panel on it that

2139
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:16,080
says, you know, how many people or

2140
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,239
something?

2141
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:19,520
» It does. They do.

2142
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:21,199
» There you go. That's the word.

2143
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,960
Manufacturer couldn't think of it.

2144
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:24,640
» So, all right. I think we beat that up

2145
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:26,800
pretty well. Any other questions?

2146
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:29,040
» I'm happy. She's happy.

2147
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:32,800
» What do we have a section in here that

2148
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:34,320
dedicated to definitions?

2149
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:37,679
Because we can clearly define in

2150
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:39,520
definitions what an RV is. And we can we

2151
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:42,880
I'm assume and we could also there we

2152
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:45,520
could mention that an RV is not of this

2153
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:47,520
capacity. We consider an RV to be under

2154
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:49,840
this many feet and D. You know, we could

2155
01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:51,760
give or something.

2156
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,880
» Well, no, it's a lot of codes are

2157
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,159
written with definitions. I know this

2158
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,760
isn't a code, but a lot of codes are

2159
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:57,840
written with definitions. You have a

2160
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,520
whole section that's definitions over

2161
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,280
here and then you have all these codes

2162
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:03,120
that come after it and they'll refer to

2163
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:05,760
those definition. You know the words

2164
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:08,159
they use are in the definitions. So if

2165
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:11,840
we define an RV as being

2166
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:14,640
» This big this you know whatever and you

2167
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,080
know I don't know kind you get what I'm

2168
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,880
saying right? You kind of play with that

2169
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,480
and

2170
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:22,960
» You jump in there if you don't mind.

2171
01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:24,719
Yeah, we're happy to to add a definition

2172
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,920
either as part of this section or in

2173
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:28,480
another section of your code.

2174
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:29,920
» Yeah, that's I'm saying somewhere we

2175
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:32,320
» Agree that it should be clean.

2176
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:35,440
» Right. And I think that'll take care of

2177
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:38,239
the confusion as to does a bunk house

2178
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,560
comply. No, this is RV code. This is as

2179
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:40,560
as per

2180
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,280
» Definition. They're technically RVs,

2181
01:19:40,560 --> 01:19:43,199
those bunk houses.

2182
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:45,760
» I know, but we're we're defining as RV

2183
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:47,120
as this big by this big and not more

2184
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,800
than this many. And

2185
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,840
» Yeah, but what if you got one of those

2186
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:54,159
gigantic Post

2187
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:55,520
buses with like six pop outs and

2188
01:19:54,159 --> 01:19:56,719
» Well, those generally only sleep about

2189
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,840
four or five people. So,

2190
01:19:56,719 --> 01:19:58,640
» Yes, that's true.

2191
01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,239
» I'm I'm just saying.

2192
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,800
» But you said this size by this size

2193
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:05,199
» In the definition, we could stipulate

2194
01:20:02,800 --> 01:20:07,199
that

2195
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:09,040
» Yeah. Pass or RV or whatever. They can

2196
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:10,800
play with the definition as to where And

2197
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:11,840
I think um I'm sorry,

2198
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,800
» Not pigeons.

2199
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:13,280
» I'm bad with names.

2200
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,880
» Zack.

2201
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,320
» Zack. I think Zach's kind of getting

2202
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,640
what we're, you know, smelling what

2203
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:22,880
we're stepping in. So, you know, we're

2204
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:25,280
not taking a 40 unit, you know, 40 bunk

2205
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,600
» 18-wheeler and parking it somewhere.

2206
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:26,000
» Yeah.

2207
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:26,320
» Yeah.

2208
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,960
» Okay.

2209
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:30,480
» Yeah. We could do you have the

2210
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,480
definition of that. Have the definition

2211
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:34,880
of a exempt, right? We talked about the

2212
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:36,880
different options. Roadworthy was

2213
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,640
another definition to put in. So, as

2214
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:41,280
Zach and I go through, we can figure out

2215
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:42,320
what might be, you know, unclear and

2216
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,520
we'll try to use.

2217
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:45,760
» Awesome. And I know we're trying to

2218
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,360
bring this back soon because of season

2219
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:50,159
coming up and

2220
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:51,840
» Getting people people rolled in. Yes.

2221
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:54,480
Public comments.

2222
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:56,400
» So, thank you Karen.

2223
01:20:54,480 --> 01:21:00,280
» Yes, madam mayor. The first part we have

2224
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:00,280
is Tracy Raflowitz.

2225
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:04,159
» Not Tracy.

2226
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:07,320
» At least she didn't bring her folder

2227
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:07,320
this time.

2228
01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:13,280
» We're talking.

2229
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:16,960
» We are. Yes.

2230
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:19,520
» What is the state statute for an RV? The

2231
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,600
vehicle.

2232
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:23,920
» Um, can't we make this simple,

2233
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,840
necessary, make the ribbon? We've been

2234
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,159
talking about RVs for so darn long. I

2235
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:31,199
mean, it's been many years. I'm

2236
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:33,600
concerned that the RV

2237
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:35,840
items move that it makes the town

2238
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:39,360
proactive enforcement instead of solving

2239
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:41,199
the resident complaint. Um, the RV rules

2240
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,719
need to be simple. When rules become too

2241
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:45,600
complicated, people either do not

2242
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:47,520
understand them or don't follow them.

2243
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:49,600
The town should create a clear seasonal

2244
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,280
argued rule that supports the question

2245
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,120
without turning it into a paperwork

2246
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:56,239
track. And you know, I thought about

2247
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:58,080
this too is I just thinking about the

2248
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:59,040
questioning. There's other people in the

2249
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,960
town

2250
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:03,040
» That would like to use an RV or have

2251
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:04,880
parents come down for the summer season

2252
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,679
or the winter season to get them out of

2253
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:10,320
up north in the in the snow.

2254
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:12,159
Why are we making it six months? You

2255
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,080
guys are making this so difficult. And I

2256
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:16,159
I watch these meeting and it keeps

2257
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:18,719
coming back. You guys say don't do this

2258
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:20,400
and somebody brings it to the ULDC or

2259
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:21,520
the PNZ and then they go back through it

2260
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:24,080
and then it comes back to you guys.

2261
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:26,159
Let's just we just make it simple so

2262
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:28,159
everybody in this town can have an RV if

2263
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:31,120
they want an RV. I know doesn't want an

2264
01:22:28,159 --> 01:22:34,320
RV, but I think it's necessary for a

2265
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:36,159
rural community. keep it like if if

2266
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,239
there's a problem, let it be complaint

2267
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:40,639
driven. Is this happening? How many

2268
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:42,800
complaints have been done this year

2269
01:22:40,639 --> 01:22:44,960
versus just going out and giving a code

2270
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:46,960
to somebody that has that would be a

2271
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:49,520
really good information for us to know

2272
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:51,360
whether it's complaint driven, go get

2273
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:53,920
them. Stop worrying about people that

2274
01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:55,920
are doing things right.

2275
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,639
» Thank you, Council Member Coleman. You

2276
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,120
had your

2277
01:22:56,639 --> 01:23:01,679
» Yeah. Our intention is for it to be

2278
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,360
complaint driven. Um, you know, that's

2279
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:05,440
and we our intention is to make it

2280
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,280
simple, but unfortunately you have to

2281
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:08,960
give stipulations. You know, I mean, I

2282
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:12,800
can appreciate what you're saying, but I

2283
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:15,360
you can't give a five item list of rules

2284
01:23:12,800 --> 01:23:17,040
and call it a day. You have you have to

2285
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:19,199
stipulate because with that five item

2286
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,320
list of rules, yes, all the people that

2287
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:22,639
are willing to comply are going to

2288
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:24,719
comply, right? But you're going to have

2289
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:26,480
the other 90% of people, they're going

2290
01:23:24,719 --> 01:23:28,159
to, you know, they're going to find a

2291
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:30,000
way. So, we have to stipulate as much,

2292
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:31,920
but it sounds a little more complex than

2293
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:34,800
it is. We're actually restricting the

2294
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:37,360
number of uh more restrictive as to the

2295
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,960
number of RVs total. Um, you can have an

2296
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,639
R your own RV. Your your in-laws can

2297
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,280
come down and stay in the winter time in

2298
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:47,280
your RV. Um, if you're so set up for

2299
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:51,520
that, whatever. And you you know, that's

2300
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:54,320
not this is forprofit to subsidize

2301
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:56,159
RV program to, you know, this is what

2302
01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,960
this is talking about. It's not saying

2303
01:23:56,159 --> 01:24:00,960
that you can't have a a boat with a

2304
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,120
living quarters on it, a a horse trailer

2305
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,760
with living quarters on it, an RV,

2306
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:07,440
» Toy hauler,

2307
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:09,120
» A toy hauler, and a a a conversion van

2308
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,719
that you, you know, Mercedes transit van

2309
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:12,000
that you've converted to an RV. It's not

2310
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:14,080
saying you can't have all that in your

2311
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:15,920
yard. What it's just kind of given some

2312
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,600
guidelines. And I think with guidelines,

2313
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:18,400
you have to be a little specific about

2314
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:19,440
things. And I think

2315
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:23,800
» Another public comment.

2316
01:24:19,440 --> 01:24:23,800
» Yes, madame mayor. Cassie Suchi.

2317
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,560
I thought this was advertised at the

2318
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:35,560
workshop.

2319
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:38,560
Three minutes.

2320
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:39,280
» You're not getting three minutes. We're

2321
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,960
not setting the clock.

2322
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:45,679
» Okay. So, now I want to talk about bunk

2323
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:48,639
house. So the key to uh bunk house RV is

2324
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:51,520
basically what I think they're designing

2325
01:24:48,639 --> 01:24:54,480
separate bunker rooms or secondary rooms

2326
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:56,639
separate each separate that that is what

2327
01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:58,719
I picture as a bunker what they use at

2328
01:24:56,639 --> 01:25:01,360
the fairs. So I think the key to

2329
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:04,480
defining that is that regulated activity

2330
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:06,960
has to be done very carefully so that we

2331
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:08,800
could talk about basically the the town

2332
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,719
recognizes that certain recreation

2333
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,120
vehicles are manufactured with separated

2334
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:15,440
load bunk rooms or secondary sleeping

2335
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:18,080
rooms. For the purposes of this section,

2336
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:20,080
we would say a bunk house RV use means

2337
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:23,600
the use of a recreational vehicle

2338
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:25,600
containing a separate enclosed bunk room

2339
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,600
or secondary sleeping room when that

2340
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:30,080
room or recreational vehicle as a whole

2341
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:32,159
is routinely used for by independent or

2342
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,920
long-term sleeping accommodations for

2343
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:35,600
employees, workers, tenants, paying

2344
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:37,520
occupants of persons residing on the

2345
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:40,239
property separate from the occupants

2346
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:43,120
principal residence. That's just an ID.

2347
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:45,520
um it it then would a recreational

2348
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:47,440
vehicle then was normally not considered

2349
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,880
a bunk house. So I would take in the

2350
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:51,760
separate living room if you're talking

2351
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:53,120
about it instead of because I know there

2352
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,360
are bunk beds.

2353
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,679
» Miss Succi, excuse me for interrupting

2354
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:59,679
you but for the record. Um Mr. uh Vice

2355
01:25:57,679 --> 01:26:02,400
Mayor Sud is on the Zoom so I just

2356
01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:03,199
wanted to note that for the record.

2357
01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:05,679
» All right. Thank you.

2358
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:07,600
» I apologize.

2359
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:09,600
» Go ahead. So basically, I was just

2360
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,239
trying to say just kind of maybe that

2361
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,960
might help.

2362
01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:14,960
» I I think though I think some of these I

2363
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:16,480
think some of these bunk houses are not

2364
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:18,000
separate rooms. I think they're just

2365
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,239
bunks along the wall and an air

2366
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,400
conditioning unit

2367
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:24,320
comes into play.

2368
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:26,159
» We ask it's like

2369
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:28,080
» No they each have separate doors. I

2370
01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:30,000
understand. But there are bunk bunk

2371
01:26:28,080 --> 01:26:32,960
trailers that come in and they'll sleep

2372
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:36,159
42 people. They're not separate rooms.

2373
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:38,159
They're all hanging out in bunks.

2374
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:40,000
Like you could it could be secondary

2375
01:26:38,159 --> 01:26:41,679
sleeping rooms and you just add in what

2376
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:43,600
the use was for or something. I'm just

2377
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:46,000
trying to think it's very difficult

2378
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:47,920
because it doesn't state it doesn't

2379
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,280
state statute when it talks about RVs

2380
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,520
doesn't distinguate between

2381
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:51,280
» Correct

2382
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,560
» RVs and these functions. It's all

2383
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:54,400
considered one.

2384
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:54,880
» So it just makes it a very difficult

2385
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:55,280
concept.

2386
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:56,320
» Yeah.

2387
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,360
» Um

2388
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:03,400
» As far as I think you guys talked about

2389
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:03,400
the registration.

2390
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:08,159
Yes. You're glad you're going to into

2391
01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:10,000
that or whatever. Um, but uh I think the

2392
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:12,800
Florida law is very clear that a motor

2393
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,800
vehicle that's not operated on the roads

2394
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,960
of this state during a registration

2395
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:20,880
period is not required to be registered.

2396
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:22,960
Um, I know for one, my RV horse trailer

2397
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:24,960
sat idle for four years because my

2398
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:28,480
daughter decided to do each vol and I

2399
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:32,480
couldn't afford two. I mean, she had a

2400
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:34,239
big one. So now mom's getting back into

2401
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,960
registry, but I wasn't going to

2402
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:39,280
continually pay it. It was insured

2403
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,600
as through insurance for damage, but it

2404
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:44,400
was not registered as it was operating

2405
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:46,960
on roads. So, that's something that

2406
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:49,280
might need to be addressed. Um, because

2407
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:50,000
I feel that that, you know, people might

2408
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:52,000
have a collect.

2409
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,800
» Can I ask a question? How would you de

2410
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,639
we say that it has to be road road? How

2411
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,000
would you demonstrate roadworthiness if

2412
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:00,239
it if it's not

2413
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:03,040
» Has tires? It's it has four tires. It

2414
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:04,560
has, you know, it can go. You can hook

2415
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,400
it up to a car and go. I just

2416
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,840
» But you can't you can't go if it doesn't

2417
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:08,719
have a tag.

2418
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:10,400
» Get a tag.

2419
01:28:08,719 --> 01:28:12,000
» You can do whatever you want.

2420
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,679
» You can drive it down the road today.

2421
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:16,080
» Yes. But you get hopefully get a tag.

2422
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:17,440
» Well, yeah. Hopefully hopefully you know

2423
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,280
those guys in green and white ain't

2424
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:21,920
right behind you.

2425
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:24,400
» Yeah.

2426
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,480
» It's just again loopholes that people

2427
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,639
are going to try to use.

2428
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,679
» Car insuranceire

2429
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:31,440
to have car insurance.

2430
01:28:29,679 --> 01:28:32,800
» If the car not driving the car. Yeah.

2431
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:34,880
Exactly.

2432
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:36,800
just uh figuring out.

2433
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,040
» Okay, awesome.

2434
01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:41,440
» And the final card, I believe her name

2435
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:42,719
is Lena.

2436
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:44,400
» Not going to even try that.

2437
01:28:42,719 --> 01:28:45,120
» Sorry, Lena. I wasn't picking on you. I

2438
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:49,960
just saw your

2439
01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:49,960
» Yes, she was. I think she was.

2440
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:58,480
» So, raise that microphone and you'll

2441
01:28:53,760 --> 01:29:01,920
have to talk really close to it. So

2442
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:04,560
» Entry enter the properties that cannot

2443
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:08,159
be the liability when we have forces on

2444
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:11,840
the property and people come in as they

2445
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:14,239
wish cannot be done. I have from the

2446
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,120
sheriff I have registered with the

2447
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:18,960
sheriff's no trespasses on my property.

2448
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,800
I have nothing to hide. If somebody

2449
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:24,800
wants to come in they can come in but

2450
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:27,040
they cannot come in without a think that

2451
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:28,719
For you to say that they're going to be

2452
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:32,000
we have to sign off for them to come in

2453
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:33,440
at any time. That is absolutely insane.

2454
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,880
» I don't think we I don't think we were

2455
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:37,520
saying they could come in on any time

2456
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:40,320
that that you will you will agree to an

2457
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:43,280
inspection

2458
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,800
to agree to an inspection.

2459
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:47,199
» Absolutely. I don't think anybody's

2460
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:50,199
coming in to just run over your fence.

2461
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:50,199
So

2462
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:57,760
» Inspected last year. There was never any

2463
01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:00,080
paperwork sent out. That's something

2464
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:03,040
that won't be sent out if we have proof

2465
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:04,239
that it was actually inspected.

2466
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:06,239
» We're not going to be requiring

2467
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:10,719
inspections. You're just going to file

2468
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:12,960
the registration form and and it

2469
01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:14,480
site insp

2470
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,440
that's what council member Kaine was

2471
01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:19,600
talking about. You know that

2472
01:30:17,440 --> 01:30:20,000
We didn't receive any paperwork that

2473
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:24,159
showed

2474
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:25,600
» We just received you're okay. That's

2475
01:30:24,159 --> 01:30:29,920
the sense that we did it. And I'll be

2476
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:32,560
honest, the the invoice that was sent

2477
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:34,719
out, I never paid it. I went into the

2478
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:38,159
office the second I got it because it

2479
01:30:34,719 --> 01:30:40,880
says miscellaneous it on the invoice.

2480
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:42,960
And I was like, there's no way. My my

2481
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:45,360
accountant would never allow that not to

2482
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:48,800
be specified. It was supposed to be sent

2483
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:51,199
out a new invoice was never sent.

2484
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:54,560
So that's the town that wants to do all

2485
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:56,960
these things and then it never gets done

2486
01:30:54,560 --> 01:31:00,159
all the way. Correct. It just starts it

2487
01:30:56,960 --> 01:31:02,639
out. But I had it surveyed. They came to

2488
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:05,199
check all my artists. We spend a good

2489
01:31:02,639 --> 01:31:06,639
amount of money to set the artist up so

2490
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:09,280
it looks nice.

2491
01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:10,960
» So I hope that they don't keep changing.

2492
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:14,159
Every year it seems like, oh, we're

2493
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:18,080
going to do this and If you keep

2494
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:19,760
spending money setting it up two

2495
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:22,080
and then all of a sudden there's

2496
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:24,880
something else that happens.

2497
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:27,600
» We're trying. Yeah, we're trying and and

2498
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:32,080
we're trying to also be aware of the

2499
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:33,840
folks that did comply and you know

2500
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,719
» I I have the same people coming back

2501
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:35,199
every

2502
01:31:34,719 --> 01:31:37,920
» Right

2503
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:40,480
» I would never have somebody come in my

2504
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:42,159
property that I cannot trust. I mean,

2505
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:44,560
sure. I mean,

2506
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:46,639
» There's properties that are

2507
01:31:44,560 --> 01:31:47,199
» Have disgusting people in it, but

2508
01:31:46,639 --> 01:31:50,000
» 100%

2509
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:51,360
» Don't go after us who trying to do what

2510
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,880
we supposed to do.

2511
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,800
» Well, I think the idea with that with

2512
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:56,560
the um you had to have a homesteaded

2513
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,920
property, right? Because then you have

2514
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,239
people that are invested in the

2515
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:03,360
community. It's not just people that are

2516
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:04,800
buying to rent, maximizing their rental

2517
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:07,280
dollars,

2518
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:09,280
» On a vacant property, and that

2519
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:12,080
» We're we're trying to curtail that and

2520
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:14,960
and and give staff, you know, guidance

2521
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:16,560
to again encourage compliance, but give

2522
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:18,800
them the tools they still need to go out

2523
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:20,800
and and get the offenders that are

2524
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:23,280
really causing the problems.

2525
01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:26,639
And just a note, it it does say here,

2526
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:30,480
item L, it says access to the property

2527
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:32,320
upon request. Yeah, buzzwords happen and

2528
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:34,080
everybody stops and goes, "Oh, we're not

2529
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,600
getting on my prop." But the whole thing

2530
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:39,120
says upon request. I just wanted to

2531
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:40,080
clear that up for you, so yeah.

2532
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:42,480
» Yeah. I don't think we want to send

2533
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,840
anybody straight to your house. Yeah.

2534
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:47,120
Yeah. Yeah.

2535
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:48,719
» All right. So, if I have campaignations

2536
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:51,679
and I have her notes on nuisance

2537
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:52,080
abatement, so

2538
01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:53,520
So,

2539
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,000
» So I mean I get to go take her chair

2540
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:57,360
again.

2541
01:32:54,000 --> 01:33:00,880
» You can seriously. Oh my gosh.

2542
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:02,560
» No, I'm not. I'll stay right here.

2543
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:05,280
» That's right.

2544
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,960
» Talking the mic. Okay, so that uh that

2545
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:08,320
was the last public comment, correct?

2546
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,560
Awesome. Thank you. Uh nuisance

2547
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:11,440
abatement. I think that's you, Mr.

2548
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,360
Lowour.

2549
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:16,560
» Yes, ma'am.

2550
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:20,080
We brought the news abatement up as for

2551
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:21,440
majority of all the overgrowing trees

2552
01:33:20,080 --> 01:33:23,199
that's enroaching all

2553
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:26,360
» Microphone. Correct. Your microphone.

2554
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:26,360
» I'm sorry.

2555
01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:30,239
» You're on the right page. Okay.

2556
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:30,880
» Yes.

2557
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:32,159
» Is it working?

2558
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,679
» It's working.

2559
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:36,560
» All right. So, the news is abatement.

2560
01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:38,000
This letter was coming forward as to all

2561
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:40,639
the overgrowth trees that are all

2562
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:43,520
through the whole town. Um in the past

2563
01:33:40,639 --> 01:33:46,480
the the town staff has pract their

2564
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:48,719
practice was is staff went out and we

2565
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:50,880
cut all the trees back and this was

2566
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:52,639
private properties owners trees

2567
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:54,320
enroaching the roadway enroaching

2568
01:33:52,639 --> 01:33:58,800
rightaways.

2569
01:33:54,320 --> 01:34:01,040
Now that is our taxpayers monies of

2570
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,600
staff going out to maintain private

2571
01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:06,000
properties over both trees approaching

2572
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:07,920
the roadway.

2573
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:09,440
If we approach this with code

2574
01:34:07,920 --> 01:34:12,719
enforcement,

2575
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:14,960
we will come down to what we've seen

2576
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,639
some you will have some residents that

2577
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,320
will come in compliance and then we have

2578
01:34:16,639 --> 01:34:19,600
what we know with our normal code. Some

2579
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,120
of our residents will not come in

2580
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,440
compliance. Then it will come down to a

2581
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:26,719
life safety issue. Then I would have to

2582
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,639
ask the town manager, can I go out and

2583
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:31,440
go out and cut it at the town's, you

2584
01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:33,440
know, cost. At this right here, we're

2585
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:34,960
looking at with the nuent abatement.

2586
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:38,239
We're going to give the the property

2587
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:40,560
owners a courtesy notice. Hey, put them

2588
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,080
on point. Hey, you have trees in

2589
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,679
approaching the roadway. It's it's

2590
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:45,920
blocking the travel path. It's blocking

2591
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:47,600
the rightway that we cannot maintain the

2592
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,920
rightaways.

2593
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:52,800
Um and then after that, if it's not

2594
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:55,679
comes into comp after the 30-day notice,

2595
01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:57,120
we will issue the nuisance abatement.

2596
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:59,040
And then within the town's code, the

2597
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:01,679
nuisance abatement has a 20-day period

2598
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:02,960
on it.

2599
01:35:01,679 --> 01:35:06,320
um if they don't come in compliance

2600
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:07,840
after the 28-day period, we will with

2601
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:09,600
your guys' recommendation, either the

2602
01:35:07,840 --> 01:35:12,560
staff does it or we're recommending that

2603
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:14,560
we have a contractor come out, remove

2604
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:17,040
cuts the trees back to the rightway,

2605
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:19,040
back to the edge of road, and they give

2606
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:21,600
us the bill and we assess the property

2607
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:24,480
owners accessibly

2608
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:26,639
as we would.

2609
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:27,280
» See, I have I have an issue though.

2610
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:31,280
» Go ahead.

2611
01:35:27,280 --> 01:35:34,719
» Sorry for open discussion, whatever.

2612
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:36,960
My my issue is and I've been asking to

2613
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:40,400
see this whatever you know a few years

2614
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:43,120
ago the maps were redone. There's a lot

2615
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:45,440
of contention with the redone maps,

2616
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:47,840
» Right? Some roads had shifted a little.

2617
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:48,239
Some roads had done this, you know?

2618
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:49,920
» Mhm.

2619
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:51,840
» Got this easement, got that ement. We

2620
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:54,159
talk about trails. And I go, "Well, who

2621
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:56,719
has the list of easements that we have

2622
01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:58,320
now for trails?" Because, and they're

2623
01:35:56,719 --> 01:35:59,600
like, "Oh, we have the list. We have we

2624
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,440
have the map with the" And I'm like,

2625
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:03,600
"Well, was it was it the new map they

2626
01:36:01,440 --> 01:36:06,960
did that was wrong, or is it the old map

2627
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:09,440
or is it, you know, I I think I get what

2628
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:11,840
you're saying. I see the pictures. Um I

2629
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:13,920
I know there's a lot of of stuff, you

2630
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,520
know, personally, you know, I have more

2631
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,639
issues with the grater taking too much

2632
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,960
of my

2633
01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:21,199
» Yard when he goes by. Um that's a whole

2634
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:23,840
different thing. But, you know, and I I

2635
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:26,800
you know, myself on my road, there's not

2636
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:29,120
a real problem. Um you know, yeah, my

2637
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:30,480
neighbor's trees a little fat, whatever.

2638
01:36:29,120 --> 01:36:32,320
You know, I know what it is. I drive

2639
01:36:30,480 --> 01:36:34,159
down there. I I really don't care. But

2640
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:36,239
that's just me. And it's a side road.

2641
01:36:34,159 --> 01:36:38,880
It's a dead end road. It's, you know,

2642
01:36:36,239 --> 01:36:40,560
but some of these main roads you have

2643
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,080
trees that are growing, you know, they

2644
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,760
could be canopy over, but they're trees

2645
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,600
that are growing over. We do have a a

2646
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,760
position.

2647
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,119
My thing is is

2648
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:54,320
I think we need to we need to be very

2649
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:56,480
vigilant to those maps and make sure

2650
01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:59,840
that before we cut a single send a

2651
01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:02,080
single person to whatever that that's

2652
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:05,679
actually our easement and not something

2653
01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:09,040
that's been you know um addressed

2654
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:11,440
previously by a previous town engineer

2655
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:13,840
or whatever you know saying nope you're

2656
01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:15,920
absolutely right nope that is still your

2657
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:19,360
your your spot That's not our easement.

2658
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:21,440
That's not our rightway. Um, you know,

2659
01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:23,280
it's a sticky wicket and you going to,

2660
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:25,119
you know, we're going to hit hit folks

2661
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:28,560
with NOVs

2662
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:31,920
for nuisance abatement. You know, I

2663
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:33,280
mean, yeah. Do I think that we need to

2664
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,199
start drawing a line in the sand and

2665
01:37:33,280 --> 01:37:38,239
tell folks, listen, you need to cut your

2666
01:37:35,199 --> 01:37:40,719
trees back? Absolutely. Um, you know,

2667
01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:43,679
how what the mechanism for that is, not

2668
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:45,600
exactly sure. you know, we we both live

2669
01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:48,800
on side roads, right? We don't live on

2670
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:50,719
main drags, you know, um you know, I I

2671
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:52,800
can tell you the mayor's trees don't

2672
01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:57,040
hang over the road, but I mean,

2673
01:37:52,800 --> 01:38:00,080
» You know, um so I it's, you know, we we

2674
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:02,480
definitely are in a more populated time

2675
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,840
than we were back at one point in time

2676
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:05,600
when it really didn't matter. It was

2677
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:08,480
just, you know, beat up old trucks going

2678
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:10,880
down dirt roads, right? Things have

2679
01:38:08,480 --> 01:38:14,400
progressed and changed a little bit. Um,

2680
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:16,480
and I think that, you know, that again I

2681
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:17,679
it's a message that needs to be and a

2682
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:19,840
conversation needs to be had. I don't

2683
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:20,960
know that we necessar And of course

2684
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,880
we're getting into hurricane season,

2685
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:26,480
too. So, it's it's kind of a sticky

2686
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:28,880
thing. You know, I you know, I but

2687
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:30,400
again, I ask I would like to see and

2688
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,760
maybe it's going to take a visit. I come

2689
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:34,960
by and visit or whatever. I'd like to

2690
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:36,560
see these maps and see, you know,

2691
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:38,880
what we have, what we own, what we don't

2692
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:40,159
own. And before we go cutting somebody's

2693
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:42,239
stuff because we think we own it, we

2694
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:45,199
need to verify. You know, I think that

2695
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:47,360
needs to be a step. So that's my two

2696
01:38:45,199 --> 01:38:49,520
cents for right now. I'm sure it's going

2697
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:50,400
to expand, go to four or five cents,

2698
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,840
four to six cents.

2699
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:54,000
» Council member Stevens and

2700
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:55,280
» Where did the 20 days come from? I just

2701
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,159
» That's what's in our code.

2702
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,239
» It is. Okay.

2703
01:38:56,159 --> 01:39:00,880
» That is directly out of the code.

2704
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:02,480
» Okay. I just I just think if it was me

2705
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:04,320
and you said, "Hey, you got you have 20

2706
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:06,400
days." And I'm looking at my schedule.

2707
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:07,520
I'm like, well, I appreciate that, but

2708
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,520
man, if I could have a

2709
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:11,040
» Well, that's why we had suggested the 30

2710
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:12,719
days before.

2711
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,639
» There's a there'd be a courtesy letter

2712
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:15,360
30 days before and then there would be a

2713
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:16,560
20 on top.

2714
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:17,360
» Fair enough. I disagree.

2715
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,520
» Okay.

2716
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:21,199
» And if I may jump in, you know, this is

2717
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:23,760
why we are bringing this forward to

2718
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:25,679
council. Yes, it's in the code. It's

2719
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:29,760
something that at some point a council

2720
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:33,040
approved, naturally adopted. Um and so

2721
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:34,960
we have clearly a situation

2722
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:38,719
um that public works is trying to work

2723
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:40,880
through and naturally we can enforce um

2724
01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:43,280
this code but we also understand as you

2725
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:45,199
said it's kind of a sticky situation and

2726
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:47,840
so that's why we are bringing it to

2727
01:39:45,199 --> 01:39:50,639
council to have this discussion um and

2728
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:54,320
naturally have residents um come up and

2729
01:39:50,639 --> 01:39:56,639
kind of you know comment on the issue to

2730
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:58,239
find a solution that you know public

2731
01:39:56,639 --> 01:40:01,199
works can get out there safely do their

2732
01:39:58,239 --> 01:40:02,800
job um

2733
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:06,840
or if we need to address, you know, the

2734
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:06,840
code that's currently in place.

2735
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:14,440
» Vice Mayor Sud, do you have anything

2736
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:14,440
you'd like to add?

2737
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:22,560
» Hi there. Hello. Yeah. Um I think um I

2738
01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:25,360
think it's this safety issue. I

2739
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:30,239
experience it on the roads every day.

2740
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:34,239
Some of these pictures are um are I

2741
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:36,960
think examples of um the safety issue

2742
01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:39,840
for the everyday people who use those

2743
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:44,080
roads and also public work. So I think

2744
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:46,080
having a strong notification process uh

2745
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:48,400
where they know this is a serious

2746
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:51,119
situation and they pay attention. It's

2747
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:54,719
not one of those males that gets thrown

2748
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:59,199
out and and then if that action doesn't

2749
01:40:54,719 --> 01:41:02,560
occur then town has to absolutely um

2750
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:04,320
remove that and then I agree that in

2751
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,560
that case

2752
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:08,400
uh the bill has to be sent to the

2753
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:11,920
property owners if in spite of the

2754
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:14,080
notices if somebody does not care does

2755
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:18,000
not have I would use the word pride or

2756
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:20,880
common sense then I guess that can't be

2757
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:24,000
a nuisance to other neighbors and other

2758
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:26,880
people using the public road. So I agree

2759
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,800
we we have to have a strong process with

2760
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:30,320
I think the key word I would use is

2761
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:32,719
transparency.

2762
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:34,719
All those people whose notices are gone

2763
01:41:32,719 --> 01:41:36,880
and and then we are ready to take

2764
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:39,760
action. We should put that list publicly

2765
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:42,639
on the website that this is our vendor

2766
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:45,520
is coming to remove these and this is

2767
01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:48,239
the list guys. you still have time and

2768
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:53,520
if they don't do it then I think we have

2769
01:41:48,239 --> 01:41:56,960
to do it and and then cost has to be uh

2770
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:59,760
incurred by the respective owners

2771
01:41:56,960 --> 01:42:01,600
whoever is responsible in spite of all

2772
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,360
these notices they haven't taken action

2773
01:42:01,600 --> 01:42:05,760
so I guess they need to pay the bill

2774
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:07,199
then in that instance

2775
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:10,800
thank you

2776
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:12,480
» Okay I I think for me it it comes down

2777
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:14,320
to and this was my concern when this

2778
01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:17,920
nuisance abatement was originally

2779
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:20,719
brought forward many many moons ago that

2780
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:25,199
it's it's a little too subjective,

2781
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:28,719
right? Uh so what's overgrowth? What's

2782
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:30,719
um what's a a nuisance, right? What my

2783
01:42:28,719 --> 01:42:32,960
favorite is it attracts vermin. I said

2784
01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:35,440
out here we call them wildlife, right?

2785
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:36,880
As I watch the I evicted some raccoons

2786
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:40,560
out of a hole in my property and they

2787
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:42,880
keep crossing my property. Uh so

2788
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:45,600
the po I think the point for me is

2789
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:46,880
unless this is obstructive in some way

2790
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:48,960
and I think what you're bringing here

2791
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:53,520
tonight is you know it's obstructing

2792
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:56,719
right whether it's a trail roadway right

2793
01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:59,760
» Historically for me

2794
01:42:56,719 --> 01:43:02,480
we've had public works go in and they

2795
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:05,679
cut back reach over people's fences and

2796
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:07,840
grind it down to me you own to the

2797
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:08,880
vertical plane correct right you do not

2798
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:09,520
get to go past that.

2799
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:12,880
» Yes, ma'am.

2800
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:14,960
» So, frankly, I understand your your

2801
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,480
comment of about the cost of maintaining

2802
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,159
it, but that's the cost of maintaining

2803
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:21,119
any right of way, right?

2804
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:24,480
» So, my concern becomes more that one,

2805
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:27,840
it's not subjective. Um, we're not an

2806
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:31,280
HOA. We're not looking to determine, you

2807
01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:34,800
know, what materials are considered

2808
01:43:31,280 --> 01:43:39,440
a, you know, as as far as undesirable, I

2809
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:41,840
guess, is probably a good word. Um, so,

2810
01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:45,840
uh, to mention Council Member Kane's

2811
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:48,000
comment, it is on page 21.

2812
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:51,119
Her comment was the keeping of fill in

2813
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,880
an unsafe and unsanitary manner. And

2814
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:55,199
this goes back to my subjective comment,

2815
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:57,679
as determined by whom, right? Unless

2816
01:43:55,199 --> 01:44:00,880
it's interfering with a drain pipe or a

2817
01:43:57,679 --> 01:44:02,400
roadway. To me, this is where this

2818
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:04,320
language and I know that that's not the

2819
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:06,239
point of bringing this forward tonight,

2820
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:08,800
» But there's a lot about this nuisance

2821
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:11,119
abatement that I think as we go forward

2822
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:14,000
in our strategic plan and we define what

2823
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:16,880
rural is, it'll give us some structure

2824
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:18,639
to come back to to recreate language in

2825
01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:22,480
these ordinances that aligns more

2826
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:26,239
closely with the town. Um,

2827
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:29,840
my question is is if it unless it was

2828
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:32,159
illegally dumped or it's it's

2829
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:34,480
intentional like you can't help that

2830
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:35,040
your tree grows a big old branch. Right.

2831
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:37,440
» Right.

2832
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,960
» So to me it's up to us to maintain our

2833
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:43,440
right of way, not not the property

2834
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:45,520
owner. Right. To the vertical plane. So

2835
01:44:43,440 --> 01:44:48,239
now I would not want you coming by and

2836
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,360
hacking off my tree branch with a giant

2837
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:50,159
mower arm. Right.

2838
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,520
» Yeah. You know,

2839
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:52,719
» I'm going to come in with my arborist

2840
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,080
and I'm going to say, "You need to take

2841
01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:55,280
this branch down and everything else."

2842
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:56,400
» Who's your tree trimmer guy?

2843
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:58,880
» He would be the arborist.

2844
01:44:56,400 --> 01:44:59,600
» Well, I know yours would be, but

2845
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,600
» Me. I got

2846
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:03,520
» The dude with the chainsaw and that

2847
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:05,119
thingy that goes up and down, right? I

2848
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,560
wish I wish I owned one of those.

2849
01:45:05,119 --> 01:45:08,639
» Is that the tentacle ter?

2850
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:09,520
» Yes, it is. It is. So

2851
01:45:08,639 --> 01:45:12,880
» Yes,

2852
01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:14,480
» I guess for me it comes down to are we

2853
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:16,960
are we being responsible for our own

2854
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:18,639
right of way and then we just incur the

2855
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:22,159
cost of that

2856
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:24,320
» Or do we we burden the land owner

2857
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:26,800
because some of these are corporate

2858
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:27,679
absentee

2859
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,040
stuff's falling out of

2860
01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:30,400
» I think some of the stuff though as well

2861
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:34,639
to your point though some of the stuff

2862
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:36,639
is is you know I think I I would say

2863
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:38,880
maybe some places there hasn't been some

2864
01:45:36,639 --> 01:45:40,239
respect to to the right of way and

2865
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:42,560
things have been planted and they've

2866
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:44,800
grown and whatever. Um there's some of

2867
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:46,560
those issues, but again it's our it's

2868
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,199
our and I don't mean to derail you. I'm

2869
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,639
sorry.

2870
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:50,000
» But those you know those sable palms,

2871
01:45:48,639 --> 01:45:51,119
they're very disrespectful where they

2872
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,000
grow, right?

2873
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:53,440
» They just grow anyway.

2874
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:55,760
» I wasn't trying to call you. I said I

2875
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:57,920
said you maintain your line there. Okay.

2876
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:59,920
Um

2877
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:01,360
» Isn't some of this town created though?

2878
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,560
I mean when we I mean you guys talked

2879
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:04,560
about it at the workshop when I was

2880
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:08,040
sitting back there in the cheap seats

2881
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:08,040
talking about stand

2882
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:14,639
» Guys

2883
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:16,000
standing ovation

2884
01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:17,119
» Get many of those around here.

2885
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,719
» Yes. I mean thank you.

2886
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:20,239
» But I mean sitting back there months and

2887
01:46:18,719 --> 01:46:22,000
months and months ago long before this

2888
01:46:20,239 --> 01:46:23,440
doing this was on my mind I don't

2889
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,040
remember who brought it up at the table.

2890
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:26,239
I'm like that's a great point actually.

2891
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:28,400
you know, I mean,

2892
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:30,480
» There a lot of it has been created. But

2893
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:32,480
if you think about it though, um, and

2894
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:34,719
I'm not trying to pick on anybody else

2895
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:36,080
specific, so I'm not going to call out

2896
01:46:34,719 --> 01:46:37,520
any addresses. I'm not going to call out

2897
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:39,920
it, but there's there's roads that used

2898
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:42,239
to be dirt that are now paved. And when

2899
01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:45,360
they were dirt, the wind row went right

2900
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:47,520
along their property line. And if you

2901
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:50,159
had an oncoming vehicle, you had to pull

2902
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:51,679
over in their driveway, right? Hopefully

2903
01:46:50,159 --> 01:46:53,440
they had a safe sight driveway or

2904
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:56,000
whatever, decent size driveway or you

2905
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:57,440
had to wait back here and there's a lot

2906
01:46:56,000 --> 01:47:00,800
of things. So when we went through and

2907
01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:04,000
paved the roads, it's a little more in

2908
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:05,520
your face I guess because you know even

2909
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,119
though

2910
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,719
whatever I'm going to say it even though

2911
01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:10,320
the roads were paved improperly in my

2912
01:47:08,719 --> 01:47:11,840
opinion um

2913
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:14,239
» You know not to start that whole thing

2914
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:18,080
up it's a paved road now, right? It's

2915
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:20,239
black tops. So, there's this this um

2916
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:21,760
concept of what it should look like. But

2917
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:23,679
to Lisa's point earlier, and you beat me

2918
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:25,440
to it, I turned my light on again. You

2919
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:25,920
know, we're not an HOA.

2920
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,040
» Yeah.

2921
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:29,440
» You know, that's every time code

2922
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:31,199
enforcement comes up in here, I I get

2923
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:33,440
those calls. Even before I was sitting

2924
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:35,520
here, um, you know, we got a new code

2925
01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:38,480
enforcement company and they got they

2926
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:41,199
went by and and cited my my buddy for

2927
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:43,679
his grass was too tall and he I got a

2928
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:47,360
very largely filled expletative text

2929
01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:51,520
going, "Can you believe this?" You know,

2930
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:53,280
um, we're not an HOA. Um, I I I I'm not

2931
01:47:51,520 --> 01:47:54,639
going to sit up here and and support

2932
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:58,480
anything that's going to make us more of

2933
01:47:54,639 --> 01:48:01,040
an HOA. I And I'm not I'm not in support

2934
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:03,760
of calling anybody out on the on the

2935
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:06,159
website saying, um, you know, this

2936
01:48:03,760 --> 01:48:08,560
property, you know, Joe Stevens property

2937
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:10,159
on High Park Road and and Craig, you

2938
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,440
know, Craig's property, Cassy's

2939
01:48:10,159 --> 01:48:12,560
property, Karen's property, Trey's

2940
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:14,159
property, Paul's property, Lee's

2941
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:16,159
property, we're going to go, we're going

2942
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:18,719
to trim those on the 15th of March,

2943
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:20,560
whether you like it or not. That's

2944
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:23,199
that's a little above and beyond. I I

2945
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:27,040
don't you know um thank you but that's

2946
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:28,719
not necessary. Um you know listen we we

2947
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,880
everybody knows to drive by it. We know

2948
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:33,679
we know who the who the you know and I

2949
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:35,119
think what we need to visit the whole

2950
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:36,239
nuisance ordinance because like you said

2951
01:48:35,119 --> 01:48:38,960
there's a lot of stuff in there that

2952
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:41,040
probably and I keep saying you know we

2953
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:44,320
we challenge these or we task these

2954
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:46,960
committees with stuff. You know, I think

2955
01:48:44,320 --> 01:48:47,760
our whole ULDC code needs to be kind of

2956
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:48,639
gone through.

2957
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:51,199
» Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

2958
01:48:48,639 --> 01:48:52,080
» You know, so and and maybe this starting

2959
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:54,080
point,

2960
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:56,000
» You know, maybe that's and put task it

2961
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:58,080
with them. Give let them give options

2962
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:00,480
and give suggestions to see where that's

2963
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:02,239
at. Um, you know, we got some smart

2964
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:04,639
folks on there and I think, you know, we

2965
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:06,480
could start with that, but I mean, yeah.

2966
01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:07,920
So, who's who's to decide whether Phil

2967
01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:09,600
is sanitary or not? I mean,

2968
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,880
» Well, that's it. So, but they need

2969
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,000
direction tonight. That's what they're

2970
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:13,840
looking for. So

2971
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:16,320
» What we're looking for is direction on

2972
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:18,320
would you want us to push with code,

2973
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:22,080
push with the news of pavement or you

2974
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:24,400
would like staff to go out and to clear

2975
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:26,320
the trees. I mean there's a lot of trees

2976
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,080
that are approaching rightways there.

2977
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:29,760
some parts of the roads are starting to

2978
01:49:28,080 --> 01:49:30,320
be impassable.

2979
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,400
That

2980
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:33,760
» I think if it can be objectively

2981
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:36,639
determined

2982
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:40,159
» That that is the case because

2983
01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:43,280
objectively in the past um certain trees

2984
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:46,880
were accused of tearing up the road and

2985
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:49,440
they were not. So it's been used to take

2986
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:52,159
out certain what we would call historic

2987
01:49:49,440 --> 01:49:52,880
trees right in the town. So

2988
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:56,080
» Uh yeah

2989
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:59,119
» I know. Yeah. So I I do think that it

2990
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:02,159
again has to be an objective

2991
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:03,600
an objective way because you have to

2992
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,719
justify it, right? You have to justify

2993
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:06,080
it to the land owner. You have to

2994
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:08,000
justify it to those of us that have to

2995
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:09,600
sit there and answer to that land owner,

2996
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:12,159
right? When their tree gets yanked out

2997
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:14,880
or or destroyed, which we've seen.

2998
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:16,400
» So um there are some public comments

2999
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,920
with some waving hands back there that

3000
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:20,320
would love to get up here. So we'll let

3001
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:22,320
them come up here and and talk. So and

3002
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:24,880
and then we'll we'll try to give you

3003
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:26,880
guidance.

3004
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:29,440
I'm kidding. No kidding.

3005
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:32,080
» She's joking. Who's first?

3006
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:33,119
» Tracy.

3007
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:35,199
» Wow.

3008
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:37,760
» She started putting all her cards in one

3009
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:39,679
time.

3010
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:41,280
» I know. It's It's a hybrid.

3011
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:43,040
» By the way, great meeting you guys had

3012
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:44,719
last night.

3013
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:46,000
» Yeah, you I think you have a really

3014
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:46,880
really good vice chair. I'm just

3015
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,960
throwing that out there.

3016
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,159
» Oh, wow.

3017
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:53,400
» There you go, Jenny.

3018
01:50:50,159 --> 01:50:53,400
» Little nepotism.

3019
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:57,360
It's because you sleep with her.

3020
01:50:56,480 --> 01:50:59,520
» Thanks.

3021
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:02,080
» Or tmi.

3022
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:03,840
» Nuisance abatement. Tracy Rwood 1261 up

3023
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,679
road. I want to clarify what we're

3024
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:07,520
actually discussing with the nuisance

3025
01:51:05,679 --> 01:51:09,440
abatement program because I keep hearing

3026
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:11,600
it described as though it's simply about

3027
01:51:09,440 --> 01:51:13,440
maintaining public roads in right away.

3028
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:16,000
That is not what I'm reading in this

3029
01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:17,920
packet. The proposed courtesy notice

3030
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:20,159
specifically includes accumulation of

3031
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:22,320
trash, junk, debris, living and

3032
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:24,480
non-living plant material upon private

3033
01:51:22,320 --> 01:51:26,560
property. It also includes excessive

3034
01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:29,440
growth of grass, weeds, brush, branches,

3035
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:32,000
and other overgrowth as well as fill

3036
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:35,360
maintain and what the town determines to

3037
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:37,440
be unsafe or unsanitary manner.

3038
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:40,000
Then separately, the notice addresses

3039
01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:41,679
vegetation over roadways and trails and

3040
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:44,800
obstructions and encroachments into the

3041
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:47,440
rightway. Those are two really different

3042
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:49,840
things. Protecting a public roadway,

3043
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:52,639
drainage system, trail, or right away

3044
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:54,480
from an actual obstruction is one thing.

3045
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:57,599
Giving the town authority to determine

3046
01:51:54,480 --> 01:52:00,239
whether someone's grass, grass, brush,

3047
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:02,719
debris, landscaping, or other conditions

3048
01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:05,760
on their property constitutes a nuisance

3049
01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:09,280
is something much broader. We are a

3050
01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:12,239
rural agricultural community. We are not

3051
01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:14,639
an HOA. There's a difference between an

3052
01:52:12,239 --> 01:52:16,639
actual public health or safety hazard

3053
01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:18,639
and somebody's property is simply not

3054
01:52:16,639 --> 01:52:21,040
looking the way someone else thinks it

3055
01:52:18,639 --> 01:52:23,119
should. Before council approves this, I

3056
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:24,560
think we need a clear answer. What

3057
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:26,320
problems are we actually trying to

3058
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,920
solve?

3059
01:52:26,320 --> 01:52:30,080
How many nuisance complaints has the

3060
01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:32,159
town actually received? How many of

3061
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:34,320
those complaints could not be resolved

3062
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:35,840
simply by contacting the property owner

3063
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:38,639
and working with them? You know, help

3064
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:40,800
thy neighbor. How many involved on act

3065
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:43,599
how many involved on actual public

3066
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:45,679
health or safety hazards? What authority

3067
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:47,280
does the town currently lack under the

3068
01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:49,760
existing code that requires the

3069
01:52:47,280 --> 01:52:51,599
additional program? Is this intended to

3070
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:53,599
be complaint driven or is it code

3071
01:52:51,599 --> 01:52:55,840
enforcement going proactively inspect

3072
01:52:53,599 --> 01:52:57,360
properties looking for new nuance

3073
01:52:55,840 --> 01:52:59,119
violations?

3074
01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,960
If it's a complaint driven, then I want

3075
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:03,679
to understand why we need a new program

3076
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:05,599
at all. If it's going to be proactive,

3077
01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:07,840
then council needs to understand that we

3078
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:09,520
are making a much larger policy decision

3079
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:12,480
than simply keeping our roads and right

3080
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:15,520
ofway clear. The proposed process does

3081
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:17,360
not stop with a courtesy letter.

3082
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:19,760
Following a notice of violation, the

3083
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:21,599
property owner is given 20 days. After

3084
01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:25,280
that, the town may perform the work

3085
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:26,880
except it itself and accept and assess

3086
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:29,040
the cleanup and administrative costs

3087
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:31,040
against the property with those costs

3088
01:53:29,040 --> 01:53:33,840
potentially continuing to acrue interest

3089
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:36,080
until they are paid. That's significant.

3090
01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:39,119
That is a significant authority over

3091
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:41,119
property that is privately owned. If

3092
01:53:39,119 --> 01:53:43,440
council's intent is truly only to

3093
01:53:41,119 --> 01:53:44,960
protect public roads, trails, drainage

3094
01:53:43,440 --> 01:53:46,800
systems, rights away, and town

3095
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:49,760
infrastructure, then I believe the

3096
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:52,000
language should say that exactly, that

3097
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:54,480
it should be expressly limited to those

3098
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:55,920
circumstances only. I do not want us

3099
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,520
approving something tonight believing

3100
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:59,119
that we're authorizing the rightway

3101
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,639
maintenance only to find out later that

3102
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:02,400
we have also authorized the town to

3103
01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:04,800
determine whether someone's grass,

3104
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:06,880
brush, trees, debris, or other

3105
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:09,280
conditions on private property continue

3106
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:12,239
to be a nuisance. My preference is

3107
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:15,280
simple. If there's an actual complaint,

3108
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:17,520
it legitimate health safety issue,

3109
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:19,679
contact the property owner. Work with

3110
01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:21,760
them to resolve it. If someone refuses

3111
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:23,520
to correct a genuine public safety

3112
01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:26,080
problem, then use the enforcement tools

3113
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:28,000
we already have. But I do not support

3114
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:29,920
creating another proactive enforcement

3115
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,599
program that encourages staff to go

3116
01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:34,320
looking for violations on private

3117
01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:36,080
property. Show us the problem first.

3118
01:54:34,320 --> 01:54:38,000
Show us the complaint. show us the

3119
01:54:36,080 --> 01:54:39,679
existing code that it cannot be

3120
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:41,040
addressed.

3121
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:42,400
Then we can decide whether another

3122
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,480
enforcement program is actually

3123
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:46,000
necessary. I was watching Magistrate one

3124
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,440
day and they're going after somebody for

3125
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:49,920
having mold on their house. I mean, come

3126
01:54:47,440 --> 01:54:51,520
on. That's ridiculous. I go down all

3127
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:52,719
these roads. What people do on their

3128
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:55,040
private property is their private

3129
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:57,360
property unless it's causing me harm to

3130
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:58,719
myself or safety in the public. But

3131
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:00,000
don't go after people on their private

3132
01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:01,440
property. Thanks.

3133
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,880
» Thank you.

3134
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:03,760
» Really? It's Florida. Everybody's got

3135
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,920
mold on their house.

3136
01:55:03,760 --> 01:55:07,360
» Yeah. in their house, on their house,

3137
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:09,599
around their house.

3138
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:13,679
» Get that exploding mulch next to you.

3139
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:17,480
» Raking hay today. Sneezing my head.

3140
01:55:13,679 --> 01:55:17,480
» The next car we have,

3141
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:24,480
» Thank you for your comments, Cassie.

3142
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:26,800
Have a good night.

3143
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:29,520
» Thanks for sparing us.

3144
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:31,040
» Get the horns, babe.

3145
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:31,520
» I thought with all that clapping, she

3146
01:55:31,040 --> 01:55:33,599
wasn't going to.

3147
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:35,599
» Do we want to know about history first?

3148
01:55:33,599 --> 01:55:37,119
because everyone up there signed the

3149
01:55:35,599 --> 01:55:38,480
petition to repeal the nuisance

3150
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:38,960
abatement ordinance.

3151
01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,440
» I didn't

3152
01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:43,520
» In its current written form. The

3153
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:46,159
continued erosion of residents property

3154
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:48,000
rights by town staff needs to end. It's

3155
01:55:46,159 --> 01:55:50,560
continued. The people have had enough.

3156
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:52,159
They spoke in March. I hope that this

3157
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:53,679
council listened. I think they did

3158
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:56,320
because I've been very happy with the

3159
01:55:53,679 --> 01:55:58,000
with the decisions. But

3160
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,679
they need to control staff because

3161
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:01,520
they're doing their own thing. Staff has

3162
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:03,199
no idea.

3163
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:04,880
Town government exists to serve its

3164
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:06,560
residents, not to target them,

3165
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:08,320
intimidate them, or use enforcement

3166
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:10,000
powers of the government against them.

3167
01:56:08,320 --> 01:56:12,080
Gosh, I don't know. I've experienced all

3168
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:14,639
of that. Thank you very much. Locket

3169
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:16,639
Groves. When staff members engage in

3170
01:56:14,639 --> 01:56:17,920
that conduct, it must be corrected and

3171
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:19,360
when appropriate, there must be

3172
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:21,920
accountability. Never had any

3173
01:56:19,360 --> 01:56:23,760
accountability so far. Because accusing

3174
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:25,520
a resident of a violation or placing

3175
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:28,159
their property on a nuisance abatement

3176
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:30,400
list, staff should conduct complete and

3177
01:56:28,159 --> 01:56:32,560
competent investigations, and I phrase

3178
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:34,480
the word confident. Government should

3179
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:36,400
never start with assumptions that the

3180
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:38,080
residence is wrong and then look for a

3181
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:40,320
way to justify the enforcement

3182
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:43,199
afterward. My property is a perfect

3183
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:45,599
example. My property was identified as

3184
01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:47,840
having an abatement issue because I

3185
01:56:45,599 --> 01:56:50,080
planted a tree on my property. Yet

3186
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:52,320
apparently nobody took the time to do

3187
01:56:50,080 --> 01:56:55,679
the actual history.

3188
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:58,719
In 2016, the water district acknowledged

3189
01:56:55,679 --> 01:57:00,639
that they illegally stole my link and

3190
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:04,159
corrected

3191
01:57:00,639 --> 01:57:05,920
and said they will correct the maps.

3192
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:07,440
Maps haven't been corrected. Multiple

3193
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:09,119
emails went out saying, "You correcting

3194
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,639
the maps?" "No, Steve, you always said,

3195
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:12,159
"Here's the letter." I said, "Good. I

3196
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:14,800
want the letter because the maps haven't

3197
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:16,560
been correct."

3198
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:18,560
The water district recognized that and

3199
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:20,560
they fixed it. That history should have

3200
01:57:18,560 --> 01:57:23,119
been investigated before photos were

3201
01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:25,520
taken. Every one of those photos, I see

3202
01:57:23,119 --> 01:57:28,080
no blockage of anything. I see a town

3203
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:30,400
that has a rural character. When I drive

3204
01:57:28,080 --> 01:57:33,199
through Beer Run and Fox Run, I like to

3205
01:57:30,400 --> 01:57:35,520
have trees. I'm regulated to drive on

3206
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:37,760
those interstate highways with my horse

3207
01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:40,320
and carriage because I can't drive on

3208
01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:42,880
the easements or I can't drive on the um

3209
01:57:40,320 --> 01:57:45,040
canals because they're too thin anyways.

3210
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:47,360
So, I'm I'm regulated on that hot

3211
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,800
and people speeding by and

3212
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,880
praying I don't get hit by a drunk

3213
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:53,360
driver. But it is nice to come with a

3214
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:55,840
tree and shave me for maybe a few

3215
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:57,280
minutes. That's nice. But we want to

3216
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:59,119
take the vertical plane and just make

3217
01:57:57,280 --> 01:58:02,000
straight highways. If we did, we might

3218
01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:03,920
as well put up I95 signs. Let the let

3219
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:05,360
everybody come through from Westwood

3220
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:08,080
because then we lose the rural

3221
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:10,639
character. Stripping the canal banks of

3222
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:13,040
natural vegetation that is grown there.

3223
01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:14,639
That doesn't in that doesn't stop any of

3224
01:58:13,040 --> 01:58:17,760
the water blow because I've had

3225
01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:21,639
discussions with each one. Those give

3226
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:21,639
character to our found.

3227
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:27,199
Let's talk about a little history. The

3228
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:29,679
additional language including adjacent

3229
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:32,320
and private property was included when

3230
01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:34,560
they were legally widening the roads

3231
01:58:32,320 --> 01:58:36,880
beyond their legal limit, stopping

3232
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:39,599
people from putting up a fence to stop

3233
01:58:36,880 --> 01:58:41,119
the illegal widening and taking of lane.

3234
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:43,280
One guy on B Road that was in the

3235
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:45,119
lawsuit got cited, got scared, and

3236
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:48,080
pulled out of the lawsuit because he put

3237
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:50,880
up a fence. He put up a fence four feet

3238
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:53,199
inside his property. He gave the town

3239
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:55,360
four more feet because the town widened

3240
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,760
the canal beyond where it should have

3241
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:56,239
been

3242
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,119
» Road.

3243
01:58:56,239 --> 01:59:01,360
» The no the canal which made then their

3244
01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:04,320
60oot easement less. So they wanted a

3245
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:06,800
20ft road. He gave them a 20ft road, an

3246
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:09,199
18 18t road. He gave him four additional

3247
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:11,440
feet and put his fence up and they

3248
01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:13,920
cighted him and he got scared and pulled

3249
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:16,320
the fence out. So when I see those

3250
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:19,760
pictures with bushes and that that's on

3251
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:22,400
people's private lane that is health and

3252
01:59:19,760 --> 01:59:25,840
safety don't go there. Show me a health

3253
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:28,239
and safety that a tree branch or a

3254
01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:29,199
little bush not a don't mean show me a

3255
01:59:28,239 --> 01:59:31,840
health and safety but some of those

3256
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:36,159
little wispy trees or a nice canopy

3257
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:38,159
that's what 20 ft in the air cost.

3258
01:59:36,159 --> 01:59:42,440
Don't go back to health and safety

3259
01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:42,440
because that's the catchall phrase.

3260
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:46,639
This nuisance abatement is full of a

3261
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:49,599
bunch of crap and that's what I'm going

3262
01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:52,320
to say. It needs to be repeated. There's

3263
01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:54,320
a petition and over 100 signatures right

3264
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,560
now to feel it and I've asked the town

3265
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:58,159
council multiple times to address it and

3266
01:59:56,560 --> 01:59:59,920
look into it. I don't think there should

3267
01:59:58,159 --> 02:00:02,400
be any enforcement on this entire

3268
01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:04,800
ordinance till it's overhauled

3269
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:07,280
completely removed language where they

3270
02:00:04,800 --> 02:00:10,000
they add it in to go after people so

3271
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:12,880
they could illegally widen their roads,

3272
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:14,639
adjacent property, private property,

3273
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:18,080
things like that. that needs to be taken

3274
02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:20,320
out of meeting and show me where a palm

3275
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:22,719
frron interferes with somebody riding a

3276
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:24,400
horse

3277
02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:26,480
really.

3278
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:28,560
So ask yourself what kind of town we

3279
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:30,080
are, what kind of town we want to be and

3280
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:32,400
what we want to reflect because our

3281
02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:34,639
roadways with the striping which you

3282
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:37,360
guys are taking care of, thank you did

3283
02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:39,679
not reflect what we are.

3284
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:42,159
So please don't do any enforcement on

3285
02:00:39,679 --> 02:00:43,440
this ordinance. Review it. If not, that

3286
02:00:42,159 --> 02:00:45,040
the residents are going to have to

3287
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:47,280
repeal it. Then it's going to cost us

3288
02:00:45,040 --> 02:00:49,199
money in a referendum. So, please do

3289
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:51,679
what we've asked you to do in the past,

3290
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:52,719
what the residents don't want. Thank

3291
02:00:51,679 --> 02:00:54,000
you.

3292
02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:56,480
» Thank you.

3293
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:59,360
» I I do have issue with some of the the

3294
02:00:56,480 --> 02:01:00,800
higher branch tree trimming cuz, you

3295
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:02,800
know, there's a semi coming through

3296
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:04,639
here, then they can just go around it,

3297
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:06,719
right? So, and most of those trucks

3298
02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:09,199
knock off those branches and they they

3299
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:10,159
don't really grow. Uh, another public

3300
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:13,840
comment.

3301
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:18,199
» Yes, ma'am. Mayor Susan Collins.

3302
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:18,199
» She's over there champing at the bit.

3303
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:28,320
» Good evening, Susan Collins Boulevard.

3304
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:30,400
Um, I don't think anybody has issues

3305
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:31,920
with like the safety concerns, right?

3306
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:34,000
Like I know we have line of sight on the

3307
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:36,239
agenda tonight. That seems common sense

3308
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:39,599
to me.

3309
02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:42,320
I would suggest that as we head down the

3310
02:01:39,599 --> 02:01:46,560
road of being whatever the governmental

3311
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:50,400
alternative to an HOA is

3312
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:53,040
um I don't know a little bit of a glass.

3313
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:56,480
You want to talk about piles of debris

3314
02:01:53,040 --> 02:01:59,119
and I think Burman also wildlife but but

3315
02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:01,520
vermin and such.

3316
02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:03,840
You have only to drive down the road

3317
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:05,520
right here to see the piles that were

3318
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:07,760
created

3319
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:10,560
by that activity that had been there for

3320
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:12,320
more than a year.

3321
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:14,560
» They some of those at least on the

3322
02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:18,080
corner of of Ephrod and Collecting now

3323
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:21,199
did for a long time present uh sight

3324
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:23,599
line issues and safety issues and I

3325
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:25,040
can't as far as I can tell nothing is

3326
02:02:23,599 --> 02:02:27,679
about any of that. there doesn't seem to

3327
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:31,199
be any plan to do. But when you speak to

3328
02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:33,280
the issues of private property,

3329
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:37,840
I can tell you that just on my own

3330
02:02:33,280 --> 02:02:39,679
property, I have 4 acres

3331
02:02:37,840 --> 02:02:42,320
that the amount of damage that's been

3332
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:44,719
done by folks working for the town has

3333
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:46,400
been non-trivial.

3334
02:02:44,719 --> 02:02:48,320
Like I get that you want to put up a

3335
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:49,760
sign saying, "Hey, road mark ahead."

3336
02:02:48,320 --> 02:02:54,000
Nobody said to me, "Hey, is it okay if

3337
02:02:49,760 --> 02:02:55,520
we put that sign on your property?

3338
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:58,400
No, they they just put it there. They

3339
02:02:55,520 --> 02:03:00,560
tore up my grass. That is remediated

3340
02:02:58,400 --> 02:03:03,840
that it's hard to remediate because I

3341
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:05,440
got no water out on water halfway up.

3342
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:08,239
That's as good as it gets. So, it's

3343
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:10,239
really hard to fix. All the trucks that

3344
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:13,119
used the side of my property for

3345
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:15,599
skating, which went on for months and

3346
02:03:13,119 --> 02:03:18,560
months, have torn up the edge of the

3347
02:03:15,599 --> 02:03:20,400
asphalt. It would the quote I got was

3348
02:03:18,560 --> 02:03:22,719
$7700

3349
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:24,880
to remediate that to make it look like

3350
02:03:22,719 --> 02:03:27,360
it did before all of that work happened.

3351
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:29,199
And then just the other day they they

3352
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:31,760
tore out Marsala Boulevard and put in

3353
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:35,119
some more drainage and did the same

3354
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:38,639
thing. And now I have, you know, a big

3355
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:41,520
chunk at the side of the street, but we

3356
02:03:38,639 --> 02:03:43,040
try to keep looking by it. And I I did

3357
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:45,840
go out and it's like, you know, like I

3358
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:47,760
have to mow this

3359
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:50,400
old and not that stable. Like don't make

3360
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:52,080
it impossible for me to like use the the

3361
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:54,320
lawn mower without falling into the

3362
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:56,880
drainage ditch. And they kind of rolled

3363
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:59,199
their eyes and went.

3364
02:03:56,880 --> 02:04:00,880
They took out landscaping material that

3365
02:03:59,199 --> 02:04:02,320
we had put there to try to fill in one

3366
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:04,639
of the ditches so I didn't have to go

3367
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:06,560
there with my mower. And then they they

3368
02:04:04,639 --> 02:04:10,239
left the nuts

3369
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:12,480
with piles of dirt debris

3370
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:14,800
and the road, you know, is now just

3371
02:04:12,480 --> 02:04:18,880
almost as bad as the intersection here,

3372
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:21,440
which, you know, back potholes and you

3373
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:23,280
got to weave your way in and out so as

3374
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:26,080
not to fall into the ditch there, too.

3375
02:04:23,280 --> 02:04:27,599
And despite asking multiple times, no

3376
02:04:26,080 --> 02:04:30,480
one seems to be able to tell you when

3377
02:04:27,599 --> 02:04:32,400
that's going to be finished and and

3378
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:33,679
looked at properly. So maybe before you

3379
02:04:32,400 --> 02:04:35,760
worry about what's on people's, you

3380
02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:37,440
know, people's backyards, we could

3381
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:38,639
address some of that.

3382
02:04:37,440 --> 02:04:40,159
» Yeah. I think we all want to know when

3383
02:04:38,639 --> 02:04:41,599
that's going to get done.

3384
02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,960
» Yeah. I I don't think we're addressing

3385
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:44,320
what's in people's backyards, though.

3386
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:46,320
We're addressing what's hanging into the

3387
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:48,480
roadway. So, we're not even we're not

3388
02:04:46,320 --> 02:04:51,199
even saying address the couple pictures

3389
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:53,599
that are possibly on the canal side that

3390
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:55,280
are easement wise. I mean, some of them

3391
02:04:53,599 --> 02:04:58,560
are. Yeah, there's a couple that are

3392
02:04:55,280 --> 02:05:00,320
kind of, you know, I mean, but and

3393
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:03,199
there's a couple that it's clearly

3394
02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:04,960
you're not you're not getting. I'm not

3395
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:07,599
talking about yours. I specifically

3396
02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:09,199
didn't specify your property. Yours

3397
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:10,560
yours are a whole different case because

3398
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:12,159
you have a letter saying that's your

3399
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:14,080
rightway. So,

3400
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:16,480
» I'm sorry. I'm I'm

3401
02:05:14,080 --> 02:05:20,239
» Is it possible

3402
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:23,440
is it possible to create actual

3403
02:05:20,239 --> 02:05:24,880
measurable limits like like to the

3404
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:27,520
vertical plane? You know, if it's

3405
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:28,960
hanging over more than 18 inches, it can

3406
02:05:27,520 --> 02:05:30,400
be cut back to the vertical plane, but

3407
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:32,000
not higher than a certain height.

3408
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:32,960
» There is a height at 14 ft.

3409
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:34,880
» 14 ft. Correct.

3410
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:36,880
» 14. That's not bad. That's That's

3411
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:39,760
» That's the height in the code is 14 ft.

3412
02:05:36,880 --> 02:05:41,679
» That's a That's a L trailer with AC on

3413
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:43,760
top. That's 14 foot. The reason it's 14

3414
02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:45,840
ft cuz the height of a horse trailer or

3415
02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:46,960
a top of a semi is 135.

3416
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:47,520
» Mhm.

3417
02:05:46,960 --> 02:05:48,159
» So

3418
02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:50,800
» Yeah,

3419
02:05:48,159 --> 02:05:52,719
» Uh I would say that if if it's some if

3420
02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:54,880
it's something that's measurable, you

3421
02:05:52,719 --> 02:05:57,599
know, that and we stick within that

3422
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:58,719
measurement then and it's in the right

3423
02:05:57,599 --> 02:06:01,760
of way.

3424
02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:04,320
» Yeah. because I mean I I I see people,

3425
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:06,159
you know, there's yes, there are lines

3426
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:08,560
on the road and we we're addressing the

3427
02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:10,159
lines on the road and, you know, one of

3428
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:12,400
these is clearly the the whole thing's

3429
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:14,080
grown out into the road. Um, but there's

3430
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:15,119
there's people that that will challenge

3431
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:17,119
you.

3432
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:18,320
» I don't care how big you are and if you

3433
02:06:17,119 --> 02:06:19,679
thought you had the right, they're still

3434
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:21,040
going to challenge you. And there's, you

3435
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:22,880
know, there's going to be some, you

3436
02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:24,880
know, at some point where do we become

3437
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:26,480
liable, we're not liable, whatever, you

3438
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,560
know, and I'm not saying clearcut it to

3439
02:06:26,480 --> 02:06:30,400
the sky. Nobody's saying that. I mean,

3440
02:06:28,560 --> 02:06:32,239
there's clear canopy. I mean, some of

3441
02:06:30,400 --> 02:06:34,639
these in these pictured in these

3442
02:06:32,239 --> 02:06:36,480
pictures are invasive species plants

3443
02:06:34,639 --> 02:06:37,599
anyway, up against a brand new fence,

3444
02:06:36,480 --> 02:06:40,239
which probably should have been

3445
02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:42,239
addressed, but that's all, you know, I

3446
02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:43,760
mean, that's I mean, yeah, granted, you

3447
02:06:42,239 --> 02:06:47,040
know, Cassie, you have a different

3448
02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:49,440
scenario, right? I'm not I'm not just I

3449
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:53,119
it's but but I think that the what we're

3450
02:06:49,440 --> 02:06:54,960
not getting is Lisa said it, I said it.

3451
02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:58,320
You know, we're looking at this as a

3452
02:06:54,960 --> 02:07:02,079
whole. We're looking at at the nuisance

3453
02:06:58,320 --> 02:07:04,000
abatement as a whole and reworking as a

3454
02:07:02,079 --> 02:07:06,000
whole. I said that I think Lisa agreed

3455
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:08,560
with me. I might be correct me if I'm

3456
02:07:06,000 --> 02:07:09,840
wrong, but we say, you know, Anita

3457
02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:12,639
mentioned it in her comments. There's

3458
02:07:09,840 --> 02:07:14,960
there's definitely some pieces in there

3459
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:17,520
that need to go. It can't happen

3460
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:19,920
immediately. Remember, we a bureaucracy.

3461
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:21,599
It's it takes time. You know, it can't

3462
02:07:19,920 --> 02:07:22,719
happen immediately. But yeah, there's

3463
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:24,400
some things in there that need to be

3464
02:07:22,719 --> 02:07:27,440
addressed. You know, we're talking about

3465
02:07:24,400 --> 02:07:29,199
trimming for safety. And then in another

3466
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:31,119
paragraph, it talks about your grass

3467
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:31,440
height, right? And we already talked

3468
02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:34,800
about

3469
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:36,079
» We need to get on to line jump in. I

3470
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:40,639
have some comments.

3471
02:07:36,079 --> 02:07:42,320
» Hold on a moment. Hold on one second.

3472
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:46,159
» I think there's more public comments as

3473
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:47,199
well. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Manish, go

3474
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:49,840
ahead.

3475
02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:53,599
» Okay. Hi. Thank you. I think uh I agree

3476
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:56,000
with uh Paul's and others

3477
02:07:53,599 --> 02:07:59,520
specific wording and scope of this

3478
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:02,719
discussion is uh correcting genuine

3479
02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:06,560
public health and safety hazards not

3480
02:08:02,719 --> 02:08:09,119
aesthetics not somebody not someone who

3481
02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:11,840
chooses to maintain their uh private

3482
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:15,040
property that's not the subject here I

3483
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:17,440
think the focus of the from my point of

3484
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:20,960
view the direction is let's narrow it

3485
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:24,159
down to the road public safety and

3486
02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:27,679
health and safety and I think very

3487
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:29,280
specific steps identify the hazard

3488
02:08:27,679 --> 02:08:31,760
whether it is tree or a shrub or

3489
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:34,320
whatever that overgrowth is determine

3490
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:37,440
the impact so you have a basically a

3491
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:40,639
very scientific objective report and

3492
02:08:37,440 --> 02:08:42,000
then notify the property owner and then

3493
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:43,840
you know give them a reasonable

3494
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:46,400
opportunity to correct the hazard or

3495
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:49,199
inform if they say wow guys this is my

3496
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:52,239
land or whatever that issue is let them

3497
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:55,360
share that information with the town and

3498
02:08:52,239 --> 02:08:58,079
then finally I think in good faith

3499
02:08:55,360 --> 02:09:00,800
everybody will want to address this

3500
02:08:58,079 --> 02:09:04,159
hazard because other people are

3501
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:08,079
suffering I know I drive on E-O and it

3502
02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:10,639
is always a problem on E-O if you uh you

3503
02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:13,360
know make a turn on Okie Chobi and you

3504
02:09:10,639 --> 02:09:16,639
will notice that you have to actually

3505
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:19,520
avoid hitting those shrubs and trees and

3506
02:09:16,639 --> 02:09:21,920
other guy on the canal side has to

3507
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:24,880
probably stop or they'll you know go in

3508
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:27,360
the canal. So it's a big hazard. It's a

3509
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:29,920
hazard liability for the town. So then

3510
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:32,239
verify the hazard is corrected and then

3511
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:35,440
take appropriate action when necessary.

3512
02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:37,440
If the if let's say the owner is missing

3513
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:40,480
an action or it's an abandoned property

3514
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:44,800
or whatever that is then let's we have

3515
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:47,599
to do it for them and and and and in my

3516
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:50,480
humble view then in that case that

3517
02:09:47,599 --> 02:09:53,199
landowner is responsible for that uh

3518
02:09:50,480 --> 02:09:56,719
elimination of that hazard. So again

3519
02:09:53,199 --> 02:10:02,400
once again I'm only focused my direction

3520
02:09:56,719 --> 02:10:05,840
is only focus on road safety and and or

3521
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:07,599
uh right ofway safety issues only not

3522
02:10:05,840 --> 02:10:10,719
what's happening inside the property

3523
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:14,880
that's not the subject of this at least

3524
02:10:10,719 --> 02:10:19,679
my direction is so thank you

3525
02:10:14,880 --> 02:10:22,560
» Okay Miss Stish you're gonna speak Yep.

3526
02:10:19,679 --> 02:10:24,079
Sorry, I I sorry

3527
02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:27,079
» That was my my fault. Virginia, I

3528
02:10:24,079 --> 02:10:27,079
apologize.

3529
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:37,119
» Virginia Standish. H boy, this a loaded

3530
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:40,159
topic. Where could we go living 40 years

3531
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:43,840
in this community? But anyway, let's get

3532
02:10:40,159 --> 02:10:46,320
» To the present. Um some good points made

3533
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:48,719
by council and the public. One council,

3534
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:50,560
the fact that yes,

3535
02:10:48,719 --> 02:10:53,280
many years of paying for maps over and

3536
02:10:50,560 --> 02:10:55,920
over. Wouldn't it be nice to have maps

3537
02:10:53,280 --> 02:10:59,840
of our actual easements that are public

3538
02:10:55,920 --> 02:11:02,159
record and showing those portions that a

3539
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:04,239
public a new public works employee might

3540
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:06,880
think is right of way but may actually

3541
02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:09,599
be private property. It places a burden

3542
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:11,520
on employees when they don't know what

3543
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:15,119
is private property and what is a right

3544
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:17,280
of way. two, the news abatement, another

3545
02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:20,560
ordinance that needs to be reviewed by

3546
02:11:17,280 --> 02:11:23,360
council staff and committees. Um, but

3547
02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:26,000
this information presented in this

3548
02:11:23,360 --> 02:11:29,840
upcoming agenda

3549
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:31,840
is very broad and vague and it's my

3550
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:36,000
understanding you're trying to stick to

3551
02:11:31,840 --> 02:11:38,079
right ofway topic only. That's what this

3552
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:40,079
should have been addressed as right of

3553
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:42,639
way only instead of throwing in the

3554
02:11:40,079 --> 02:11:46,400
kitchen sink and everyone's property.

3555
02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:48,159
Words and language matter. So I don't

3556
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:50,159
think this should be presented this way

3557
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:53,119
in the agenda if that was not your

3558
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:55,040
intent. Your focus is right of way. So

3559
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:57,280
why are we reading about everything else

3560
02:11:55,040 --> 02:11:59,599
in this ordinance that needs to be

3561
02:11:57,280 --> 02:12:03,199
redone? This nuisance abatement. That is

3562
02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:05,040
your biggest problem. Um,

3563
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:07,440
and that's the crux of it. Everything

3564
02:12:05,040 --> 02:12:10,880
else is private property, you know,

3565
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:12,800
living, vegetation, non-living. Okay.

3566
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:14,800
Yes. And like everyone said, we're an

3567
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:17,040
egg community. So, what does this have

3568
02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:19,360
to do with our right of way? If you

3569
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:21,760
stick to right of way, you get your

3570
02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:23,760
easement maps.

3571
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:25,360
You seem to be focused on the issue, not

3572
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:27,920
all this language you threw in there.

3573
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:32,079
Thank you.

3574
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:35,440
» Thank you. So, did we have another one?

3575
02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:38,760
» Yes. I think um Miss Suchi would like to

3576
02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:38,760
speak again.

3577
02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:44,400
» Are you really going to talk again?

3578
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:47,520
Okay. Karen, are you going to get up and

3579
02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:50,400
talk? Okay, we'll let Karen talk first.

3580
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:54,440
You could you could

3581
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:54,440
we could just pass it around.

3582
02:12:56,239 --> 02:12:59,679
Okay.

3583
02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:03,760
I just want to get to this next one,

3584
02:12:59,679 --> 02:13:06,239
too. I don't want this one to go by.

3585
02:13:03,760 --> 02:13:09,599
» Worried about health and safety when

3586
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:11,520
collecting canal road is a huge safety

3587
02:13:09,599 --> 02:13:14,719
problem. And that's been like that for

3588
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:16,320
how long now? Um, but when it's private

3589
02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:18,719
residents, then you're going to jump on

3590
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:21,119
them. I have no problem with the town

3591
02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:24,480
trimming branches on my property that

3592
02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:27,440
come out as my property actually goes to

3593
02:13:24,480 --> 02:13:29,599
the burm of the canal. Um, even though

3594
02:13:27,440 --> 02:13:33,440
they kept whittling away like everybody

3595
02:13:29,599 --> 02:13:35,040
says with their um, greater and taking

3596
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,719
my property, taking my property until

3597
02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:40,159
they made it big enough to where they

3598
02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:43,040
could put a road in. Um, yeah. So, yeah,

3599
02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:46,079
my tree do go over, but years ago I was

3600
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:49,199
approved by the border district son told

3601
02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:51,520
us where we could put our arthas, where

3602
02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:53,520
we could put our trees. He approved it

3603
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:56,079
and said that was far enough away from

3604
02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:58,960
that road. Little did we know was that

3605
02:13:56,079 --> 02:14:01,040
was going to be grading to our property.

3606
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:02,960
They took out my poles. They took out my

3607
02:14:01,040 --> 02:14:05,599
fence. They did whatever they could to

3608
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:08,400
take over that land. And now they want

3609
02:14:05,599 --> 02:14:11,040
to charge me for trimming or they trim

3610
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:12,880
over my fence. Any one of you, I am

3611
02:14:11,040 --> 02:14:15,520
welcoming you to come out to my property

3612
02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:18,320
and look where they have trim branches

3613
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:20,400
on the other side of my fence. And I

3614
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:22,480
don't think that's correct. I don't mind

3615
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:24,079
the greater coming along and along the

3616
02:14:22,480 --> 02:14:26,560
white line of the road. you want to

3617
02:14:24,079 --> 02:14:28,400
trim, trim away. But when you start

3618
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:31,199
bringing that thing in and trimming

3619
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:34,560
against my fence or down, I I think it's

3620
02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:38,400
wrong. Um, and the other thing is I feel

3621
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:41,280
harassed. All these pictures, 12 12

3622
02:14:38,400 --> 02:14:44,000
photos. How is it that there's 12 photos

3623
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:47,040
here with only

3624
02:14:44,000 --> 02:14:49,280
I I'm trying to see there's no addresses

3625
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:51,679
on any of any of them. And tell me if

3626
02:14:49,280 --> 02:14:55,040
this doesn't feel harassed. My address

3627
02:14:51,679 --> 02:14:57,280
is on three of them. Three of them out

3628
02:14:55,040 --> 02:15:00,400
of 12.

3629
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:04,000
I believe Cassy's address is on one. I

3630
02:15:00,400 --> 02:15:05,920
feel very harassed. Um I did have an

3631
02:15:04,000 --> 02:15:08,159
incident was a town employee who was

3632
02:15:05,920 --> 02:15:11,599
trimming on the other side of my fence.

3633
02:15:08,159 --> 02:15:14,079
I asked him to stop. He refused. And

3634
02:15:11,599 --> 02:15:18,000
when I stood by him and asked him to

3635
02:15:14,079 --> 02:15:20,000
stop, he look went alongside of me when

3636
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:22,000
I was standing looking at my bushes. He

3637
02:15:20,000 --> 02:15:25,199
trimmed on top and one of the big

3638
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:26,560
branches hit me in the head really hard

3639
02:15:25,199 --> 02:15:27,760
and he said he was going to call the

3640
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:30,159
police on me. Instead of calling the

3641
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:32,719
police, he called Craig and then I was

3642
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:34,719
harassed by Craig. I don't mind them

3643
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:37,360
trimming bushes that are over on their

3644
02:15:34,719 --> 02:15:40,239
side, but they were trimming bushes on

3645
02:15:37,360 --> 02:15:42,719
my my side, my side of the fence. And

3646
02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:44,239
then I was harassed and I had somebody

3647
02:15:42,719 --> 02:15:45,760
listening on the conversation so they

3648
02:15:44,239 --> 02:15:48,719
can say that they'll tell you this is

3649
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:50,320
true that I was told that every time

3650
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:53,199
they do these things with the road in

3651
02:15:50,320 --> 02:15:55,280
front of Canad

3652
02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:57,920
took out my survey stake so I couldn't

3653
02:15:55,280 --> 02:16:00,239
prove how far my property was. And then

3654
02:15:57,920 --> 02:16:05,040
I was told by a friend that he could see

3655
02:16:00,239 --> 02:16:07,360
it on the um Palm Beach uh

3656
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:09,360
uh papa site that he knows where the

3657
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:11,360
line is. I said, "You need to get a

3658
02:16:09,360 --> 02:16:13,199
survey because they keep doing this to

3659
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:15,360
me and taking my survey and moving the

3660
02:16:13,199 --> 02:16:17,199
line." And he says, "If we have to get a

3661
02:16:15,360 --> 02:16:18,480
survey, I know your fence is over it,

3662
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:22,159
and we're going to make you take it

3663
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:24,639
out." that him and his person, I think

3664
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:27,360
his name was Tim Wood, two very rude

3665
02:16:24,639 --> 02:16:30,320
employees to a resident when I'm just

3666
02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:32,639
trying to protect our tree canopy and

3667
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:34,719
make it green and keep my house private

3668
02:16:32,639 --> 02:16:37,760
from outsiders because of all the

3669
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:40,319
traffic and drinkers and fishers that

3670
02:16:37,760 --> 02:16:42,399
come along on that corner and bombard us

3671
02:16:40,319 --> 02:16:46,000
with garbage that they throw over my

3672
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:48,319
fence and into the bushes. And it's very

3673
02:16:46,000 --> 02:16:50,000
uh disturbing when you get treated like

3674
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:51,760
this by employees. And by the way, I

3675
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:54,719
have not received anything from anybody

3676
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:57,840
in town saying how this was um taken

3677
02:16:54,719 --> 02:17:01,679
care of. Um no apology by anybody or

3678
02:16:57,840 --> 02:17:03,519
anything. But I am in uh disbelief. I

3679
02:17:01,679 --> 02:17:05,599
don't understand. We pay taxes. I don't

3680
02:17:03,519 --> 02:17:08,639
see what the big deal is. There's many

3681
02:17:05,599 --> 02:17:11,760
properties worse than mine. And yet out

3682
02:17:08,639 --> 02:17:13,599
of all these 12, three are mine. And I

3683
02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:16,000
can tell you I've hit branches. I've hit

3684
02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:19,120
trees. I've had to go around many

3685
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:21,679
properties. I don't mind. I do it. I

3686
02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:22,960
move over when a car is coming. Um I

3687
02:17:21,679 --> 02:17:25,280
don't know what the big deal is. If the

3688
02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:28,240
town's they they have the time, we pay

3689
02:17:25,280 --> 02:17:30,000
our taxes. Why can't they trim it just

3690
02:17:28,240 --> 02:17:31,359
like they've done all these years? I

3691
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:33,679
don't understand what the big deal is.

3692
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:36,240
You took our property. You're enjoying

3693
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:37,760
it for your road. And yet you want us to

3694
02:17:36,240 --> 02:17:40,399
be responsible for things that we

3695
02:17:37,760 --> 02:17:44,800
planted 20 something years ago. Approved

3696
02:17:40,399 --> 02:17:48,880
by the water district by police son.

3697
02:17:44,800 --> 02:17:53,120
the I'm very dissatisfied with what's

3698
02:17:48,880 --> 02:17:55,599
going on with this and um

3699
02:17:53,120 --> 02:18:00,439
you get the message. This is horrific

3700
02:17:55,599 --> 02:18:00,439
though. I don't like it. It's not nice.

3701
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:06,639
» Thank you.

3702
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:09,760
Yeah, I think again the history of the

3703
02:18:06,639 --> 02:18:13,040
widening of the roads and then causing

3704
02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:14,960
not only vegetation to be closer to the

3705
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:17,120
to the right of way and and to the

3706
02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:19,519
traffic, it it now we're going to go

3707
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:22,319
into the sighteline. So the sighteline

3708
02:18:19,519 --> 02:18:24,800
now becomes an issue when the road that

3709
02:18:22,319 --> 02:18:26,800
used to be six feet from the where you

3710
02:18:24,800 --> 02:18:29,040
stopped and looked out of your property,

3711
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:32,399
now it's literally your bumper and you

3712
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:34,319
can't see either way around. And some of

3713
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:38,240
the suggestions on here to set your

3714
02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:39,760
fence back 10 ft. It's just a continuous

3715
02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:42,639
enforcement

3716
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:45,840
of properties that happen to be located

3717
02:18:42,639 --> 02:18:48,880
in strategic locations having to give up

3718
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:52,319
more and more while other properties

3719
02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:55,200
that will remain unnamed um on other

3720
02:18:52,319 --> 02:19:00,399
sides don't give up anything. Right? So,

3721
02:18:55,200 --> 02:19:03,040
this is a continuing issue and um even

3722
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:06,319
some of the the language outside of a

3723
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:08,080
townowned intersection, which arguably a

3724
02:19:06,319 --> 02:19:09,679
town-owned intersection would be one

3725
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:10,960
where the town has the authority to make

3726
02:19:09,679 --> 02:19:13,359
sure the safety's there and has a

3727
02:19:10,960 --> 02:19:14,639
liability. The trails I don't believe

3728
02:19:13,359 --> 02:19:17,280
they do, and I certainly don't think

3729
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:19,120
that you could tell private people to do

3730
02:19:17,280 --> 02:19:22,399
exceptionally

3731
02:19:19,120 --> 02:19:24,240
true when they are an a property. So the

3732
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:26,399
the state preempts some of what you can

3733
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:29,120
and can te tell people to do when they

3734
02:19:26,399 --> 02:19:31,280
have agricultural use there. So if

3735
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:32,800
that's my productive corn field and you

3736
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:35,760
want me to hack off a corn on my corn

3737
02:19:32,800 --> 02:19:37,920
field, will you just cost me money? So

3738
02:19:35,760 --> 02:19:40,319
that that I don't see as being part of

3739
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:42,960
this. So sorry to jump in on that, but

3740
02:19:40,319 --> 02:19:45,040
» No. Is it possible we could ask the we

3741
02:19:42,960 --> 02:19:47,359
can get these removed off the site just

3742
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:50,000
out of respect for the neighbors?

3743
02:19:47,359 --> 02:19:52,800
» Um I are they on the p on the website

3744
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:53,920
» Supplemental. supplemental. Yeah.

3745
02:19:52,800 --> 02:19:55,439
» Can we

3746
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,240
» Yeah. Can we take those off? Is that

3747
02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:58,560
possible?

3748
02:19:56,240 --> 02:20:00,080
» If there's a consensus because it it is

3749
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:02,479
there's a policy. So, as long as you

3750
02:20:00,080 --> 02:20:03,359
guys give us consensus to do that, we we

3751
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:03,920
can remove it.

3752
02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:05,760
» Yeah.

3753
02:20:03,920 --> 02:20:07,520
» I mean, I do know some of the properties

3754
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:09,200
along like Collecting Canal that have

3755
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:11,040
some heavy Kucia hedges and stuff,

3756
02:20:09,200 --> 02:20:12,560
pulling out of those is a little

3757
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:13,920
treacherous.

3758
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:16,640
But I think we should allow those

3759
02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:20,160
driveways to have um without a rightaway

3760
02:20:16,640 --> 02:20:23,200
permit, put one of the uh convex um

3761
02:20:20,160 --> 02:20:24,640
mirrors in the in the canal bank so that

3762
02:20:23,200 --> 02:20:25,840
they can get out safely. I don't think

3763
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:27,040
they should be told to cut down their

3764
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:29,120
bushes.

3765
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:30,640
» So, I just think dignity is the key word

3766
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,080
of the day. And if we can pick a

3767
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:32,479
consensus to take these photos off,

3768
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:33,680
that'd be great.

3769
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:36,640
» Three, three can give a consensus,

3770
02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:38,800
right? Manisha is there. So, yeah, I I

3771
02:20:36,640 --> 02:20:41,120
Yeah, let's

3772
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:44,560
» Let me interject here. I I first of all

3773
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:47,439
I'm surprised how uh these two residents

3774
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:51,120
um pictures end up in the sampling. I

3775
02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:54,080
mean that's a just mathematically I I'm

3776
02:20:51,120 --> 02:20:57,280
not I I don't know how why they were

3777
02:20:54,080 --> 02:21:00,479
picked uh for this but unfortunately

3778
02:20:57,280 --> 02:21:03,920
they were and uh I I agree fully with

3779
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:06,960
Joseph. Um we should remove those. But I

3780
02:21:03,920 --> 02:21:09,120
think the point I'm going to make is we

3781
02:21:06,960 --> 02:21:12,240
are strictly talking about road health

3782
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:16,720
and safety roads. Let's pick one. Right

3783
02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:18,240
now we have certain roads where uh the

3784
02:21:16,720 --> 02:21:19,680
» Vice may we've moved on to the

3785
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:22,160
sighteline.

3786
02:21:19,680 --> 02:21:23,600
» Yeah. No, I'm talking about this issue.

3787
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:25,359
We haven't moved to the sighteline. We

3788
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:27,120
are saying remove these pictures and I'm

3789
02:21:25,359 --> 02:21:30,240
» Yes, we have we have moved to the

3790
02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:32,319
sighteline issue. We we provided we

3791
02:21:30,240 --> 02:21:34,160
provided that you know if you're in the

3792
02:21:32,319 --> 02:21:36,240
right of way they're gonna they're still

3793
02:21:34,160 --> 02:21:37,600
going to trim the right of way per the

3794
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:38,960
objective measurements they have

3795
02:21:37,600 --> 02:21:40,800
available but we've moved on to the

3796
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:43,359
sighteline agenda item.

3797
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:46,160
» Okay good. So my point is I agree remove

3798
02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:48,560
the pictures and let's be careful next

3799
02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:50,319
time selecting residents in this

3800
02:21:48,560 --> 02:21:53,520
fashion. Thank you.

3801
02:21:50,319 --> 02:21:54,720
» So to clarify Thank you. To clarify I

3802
02:21:53,520 --> 02:21:56,399
don't think we should send out a

3803
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:58,000
courtesy notice. I think we should

3804
02:21:56,399 --> 02:21:59,920
maintain our own right ofway. I don't

3805
02:21:58,000 --> 02:22:01,280
think that just because your bushes grew

3806
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,560
bigger, right?

3807
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:05,280
» We shouldn't cross.

3808
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:07,520
» But I do I do firmly disagree that you

3809
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:10,479
cut back any further than the vertical

3810
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:13,600
plane of what is legally in that that

3811
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:15,280
space, you know, and that's been a a pet

3812
02:22:13,600 --> 02:22:15,600
peeve of mine when Jamie Tickhome was

3813
02:22:15,280 --> 02:22:17,760
here.

3814
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:19,840
» And I don't I necessarily don't think

3815
02:22:17,760 --> 02:22:21,359
that we need to just blanket say the

3816
02:22:19,840 --> 02:22:22,720
Motrim is what's doing the trimming

3817
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:24,319
either. I mean, I hate to say that

3818
02:22:22,720 --> 02:22:27,040
because I know it's a lot more work, but

3819
02:22:24,319 --> 02:22:27,680
» My staff is out there hands handed on

3820
02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:29,280
» Chains on.

3821
02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:30,960
» Well, I was speaking from the past. I

3822
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:33,439
know speaking of Jamie, you're speaking

3823
02:22:30,960 --> 02:22:35,760
of old days back and cleier and all

3824
02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:37,760
these, you know, it was the mot kind of

3825
02:22:35,760 --> 02:22:39,680
like when they go down Okachobee with

3826
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:41,120
that big knife.

3827
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:44,399
» Except it was a Motrim and they just,

3828
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:45,920
you know, bush hoging trees, you know,

3829
02:22:44,399 --> 02:22:48,720
and some of these trees are not, you

3830
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:50,319
know, holly and whatever. I do think the

3831
02:22:48,720 --> 02:22:51,600
residents should be notified that it's

3832
02:22:50,319 --> 02:22:55,520
going to happen and they can be given

3833
02:22:51,600 --> 02:22:56,720
the option, right? So that it's not

3834
02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,920
» Something really awful.

3835
02:22:56,720 --> 02:23:01,359
» You said set a

3836
02:22:57,920 --> 02:23:02,479
» But but it can't go over the vertical

3837
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:05,760
plane,

3838
02:23:02,479 --> 02:23:07,439
» Right? It it has to stay in our our

3839
02:23:05,760 --> 02:23:08,240
legal footprint.

3840
02:23:07,439 --> 02:23:09,680
» And so

3841
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:12,640
» Can you bring us a can you bring us a

3842
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:13,840
schedule by September for our September

3843
02:23:12,640 --> 02:23:15,439
meeting? Can you bring us a schedule

3844
02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:15,920
» Like where you're planning on doing

3845
02:23:15,439 --> 02:23:17,920
trimming?

3846
02:23:15,920 --> 02:23:19,120
» Like like make a schedule like we're

3847
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:21,040
going to start on this road and then

3848
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,840
we're going to go to this road and you

3849
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:23,439
know or

3850
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:25,040
» It would just be added to the MO

3851
02:23:23,439 --> 02:23:28,080
schedule that's already in place.

3852
02:23:25,040 --> 02:23:29,120
» So the MO the banking schedule and the

3853
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:31,200
» And the vertical

3854
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:33,760
» Trimming schedule are the same schedule.

3855
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:35,280
» No, because normally we would go in and

3856
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:36,160
we would do most of the tree trimming in

3857
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:36,880
the off season,

3858
02:23:36,160 --> 02:23:39,200
» Right,

3859
02:23:36,880 --> 02:23:41,439
» Of out of out of the rainy season, but

3860
02:23:39,200 --> 02:23:43,280
it is right now we didn't push it this

3861
02:23:41,439 --> 02:23:45,040
year. So, we're getting so much

3862
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:45,600
overgrowth and complaints of cars

3863
02:23:45,040 --> 02:23:46,000
hitting

3864
02:23:45,600 --> 02:23:48,399
» Right

3865
02:23:46,000 --> 02:23:49,280
» Overgrowth in the roadways.

3866
02:23:48,399 --> 02:23:49,520
So,

3867
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:51,200
» Okay,

3868
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:53,760
» We are where we are right now.

3869
02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:55,120
» Um, if you're giving us permission to

3870
02:23:53,760 --> 02:23:57,439
say, "Hey, we can go out. We'll notify

3871
02:23:55,120 --> 02:24:00,399
the residents. You know, your tree is

3872
02:23:57,439 --> 02:24:02,640
approaching the rideway, the roadway.

3873
02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:04,399
You know, I this this was the whole

3874
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:06,080
point of the discussion and direction

3875
02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:07,520
for you guys. Give us direction of

3876
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:09,359
» What would you like us to do?"

3877
02:24:07,520 --> 02:24:11,120
» Give them what? 10day notice that that

3878
02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:13,760
you're planning on you've identified

3879
02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:15,359
that they've got some some vegetation in

3880
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:17,920
the right of way and you're going to be

3881
02:24:15,359 --> 02:24:20,080
trimming it if they would prefer that

3882
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:21,840
they do it themselves that

3883
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:23,120
» You know to contact you and tell you

3884
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:23,520
when they're going to do it.

3885
02:24:23,120 --> 02:24:24,000
» Yeah.

3886
02:24:23,520 --> 02:24:25,280
» So

3887
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,720
» If they contact said listen I can't get

3888
02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:28,000
it done in 10 days I can get it done in

3889
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:28,399
15 or 20

3890
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:30,479
» Contact

3891
02:24:28,399 --> 02:24:33,840
» Then they contact you and just push your

3892
02:24:30,479 --> 02:24:35,760
» We just could we send like a mass letter

3893
02:24:33,840 --> 02:24:37,840
just notifying hey you know

3894
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:39,840
» Do they identified properties? Well, no,

3895
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:41,920
not to identify properties, but to, you

3896
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,560
know, bring to attention to residents.

3897
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:44,000
Hey, there is

3898
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,880
» I honestly I honestly think that's going

3899
02:24:44,000 --> 02:24:46,560
to cause a lot more.

3900
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:49,040
» It's going to create too much confusion.

3901
02:24:46,560 --> 02:24:51,120
You need to be property specific

3902
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:53,439
» Cost and stuff.

3903
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:54,880
» And that way, and I'm not I'm not trying

3904
02:24:53,439 --> 02:24:57,040
to pick on Cassie, but because we

3905
02:24:54,880 --> 02:24:58,880
already know she has a letter, but so

3906
02:24:57,040 --> 02:25:00,399
you send a you send a letter to Cassie

3907
02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:02,560
saying, "Hey, listen. Your trees in our

3908
02:25:00,399 --> 02:25:05,520
rightway." And she goes, "Wait a minute.

3909
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:08,479
» You know, Mr. Low, Craig, buddy, listen.

3910
02:25:05,520 --> 02:25:11,760
And I got this letter from Yoi, Steve

3911
02:25:08,479 --> 02:25:14,560
Yoi back in 20 whatever that says that's

3912
02:25:11,760 --> 02:25:15,920
not the case because who knows how Steve

3913
02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:17,120
filed that letter, right? It might not

3914
02:25:15,920 --> 02:25:19,600
be easily.

3915
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:23,359
» Yeah. Go to public works and see how our

3916
02:25:19,600 --> 02:25:26,080
records are are maintained. It

3917
02:25:23,359 --> 02:25:27,600
» Defense of you, Cass. So, all right. So,

3918
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:29,040
that way she can go, "Hey, listen,

3919
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,800
Craig. I got this letter. I don't know

3920
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:32,560
if you're aware of it because you know

3921
02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:34,479
you're that was like four managers ago,

3922
02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:37,200
but I have this letter. I know that this

3923
02:25:34,479 --> 02:25:38,240
crap down there for the for this filing,

3924
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:39,359
but this is my letter. And you go,

3925
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:41,200
"Okay, Cassie, I'm going to look into

3926
02:25:39,359 --> 02:25:42,720
it." Or, "Okay, Muchi, I'm going to look

3927
02:25:41,200 --> 02:25:44,479
into this." And you look into it and you

3928
02:25:42,720 --> 02:25:46,560
go, "Hey, listen. Okay, that's your

3929
02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:48,080
tree. That's your right away. Thank you.

3930
02:25:46,560 --> 02:25:49,680
We're not going to touch it."

3931
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:51,359
» Right? Or you come back and say, "I

3932
02:25:49,680 --> 02:25:52,720
don't know what you're talking about."

3933
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:55,600
You know what I'm saying? This isn't,

3934
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:57,520
you know, I don't know. You there's some

3935
02:25:55,600 --> 02:25:58,080
there's some communication there. You

3936
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:00,240
know what I'm saying?

3937
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:02,000
» More of a partnership rather than it's

3938
02:26:00,240 --> 02:26:04,479
just, you know, the town kind of

3939
02:26:02,000 --> 02:26:06,240
imposing. We we I think we we got the

3940
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:09,520
the the picture. So, one other thing

3941
02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:11,680
that I do want to touch on um because of

3942
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:15,359
so much conversation with regards to the

3943
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:18,080
entire nuisance abatement ordinance. Do

3944
02:26:15,359 --> 02:26:20,319
you guys want to bring that back in

3945
02:26:18,080 --> 02:26:22,080
Septe Well, I wouldn't say at the

3946
02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:23,760
September workshop because that's kind

3947
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:24,960
of our second public hearing for the

3948
02:26:23,760 --> 02:26:26,479
budget and that's going to be a heavy

3949
02:26:24,960 --> 02:26:28,160
meeting. Do you want us to bring this

3950
02:26:26,479 --> 02:26:30,000
back in October for you guys to have a

3951
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:30,880
discussion on? Do you want to kind of

3952
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:32,720
put this

3953
02:26:30,880 --> 02:26:35,680
» Myself? I'm not speaking for the other

3954
02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:38,640
four, but myself, I'm in favor of it

3955
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:41,600
just going to ulc with a direction. Hey,

3956
02:26:38,640 --> 02:26:43,359
» Review this and let's, you know, give

3957
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:45,280
give us some suggestions as to where we

3958
02:26:43,359 --> 02:26:47,680
can we can cut the fat, whatever, where

3959
02:26:45,280 --> 02:26:48,399
we can make it more blocks of Hatchy

3960
02:26:47,680 --> 02:26:48,720
Citric.

3961
02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:49,439
» Okay.

3962
02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:52,160
» Can I if I could

3963
02:26:49,439 --> 02:26:53,200
» So, Mayor, I was asking a question as to

3964
02:26:52,160 --> 02:26:54,479
um

3965
02:26:53,200 --> 02:26:56,960
» There was a lot of conversation about

3966
02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:58,800
this ordinance in particular. Yeah. and

3967
02:26:56,960 --> 02:27:02,240
council member Coleman suggested sending

3968
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:03,840
it back to ULDC for them to review it.

3969
02:27:02,240 --> 02:27:05,760
So I just want to get a consensus if

3970
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:09,439
that's what the council direct. I think

3971
02:27:05,760 --> 02:27:11,120
the the before Paul made his his ask it

3972
02:27:09,439 --> 02:27:14,240
was also about as we get into the

3973
02:27:11,120 --> 02:27:17,600
strategic plan and we define rural and

3974
02:27:14,240 --> 02:27:20,319
you know what what holds the standard

3975
02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:21,920
what sets the standard right so that I

3976
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:24,160
think it's important that the town have

3977
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:26,319
some authority to deal with issues that

3978
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:28,720
we've seen in the past right like

3979
02:27:26,319 --> 02:27:30,479
illegal dumping and things like that but

3980
02:27:28,720 --> 02:27:32,319
again some of the language in here it's

3981
02:27:30,479 --> 02:27:35,439
it's a little too vague it's a little

3982
02:27:32,319 --> 02:27:37,680
too subjective I mean if wants to tackle

3983
02:27:35,439 --> 02:27:40,640
it. They they certainly, you know, with

3984
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:42,880
that directive being fairly clear that

3985
02:27:40,640 --> 02:27:45,920
this gets tailored down and and it and

3986
02:27:42,880 --> 02:27:47,920
it's tied to certain objective,

3987
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:50,800
measurable

3988
02:27:47,920 --> 02:27:53,920
um metrics, then then it would be

3989
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:57,520
something that it's not just left up to,

3990
02:27:53,920 --> 02:27:59,520
you know, employee X said, "Oh, you

3991
02:27:57,520 --> 02:28:01,920
know, you're in trouble, right?" kind of

3992
02:27:59,520 --> 02:28:04,080
thing. So, okay. So, what we'll do is

3993
02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:05,439
we'll plan on placing this on for ULDC.

3994
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:06,800
We will give them a copy of the minutes

3995
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:08,800
from this meeting so they can kind of

3996
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:11,040
see the dialogue of council and and and

3997
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:13,439
the residents and the concerns and we'll

3998
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:15,280
also provide them with copies of other

3999
02:28:13,439 --> 02:28:16,560
municipalities and you know their

4000
02:28:15,280 --> 02:28:17,200
ordinances so they have something to

4001
02:28:16,560 --> 02:28:18,960
kind of look at.

4002
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:21,680
» Make one where we went off the rails

4003
02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:22,720
before but okay. Uh Vice Mayor Sud any

4004
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:24,720
comment on that?

4005
02:28:22,720 --> 02:28:28,080
» Yeah I think we are back to discussing

4006
02:28:24,720 --> 02:28:30,560
this u uh abatement issue and right away

4007
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:34,960
issue. I think I would like my direction

4008
02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:38,160
is this is me alone that the I'm talking

4009
02:28:34,960 --> 02:28:40,479
about paved roads. I'm talking about

4010
02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:43,760
health and safety that are obstructing

4011
02:28:40,479 --> 02:28:45,760
the paved roads at least have the

4012
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:48,000
directive to take care of that issue. to

4013
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:51,120
inform the owners as I said those

4014
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:54,319
stepwide stepwise fashion what is the

4015
02:28:51,120 --> 02:28:56,640
hazard this is the impact etc etc let

4016
02:28:54,319 --> 02:29:00,160
them engage and then take care of the

4017
02:28:56,640 --> 02:29:02,880
issue if they can't we will do it but

4018
02:29:00,160 --> 02:29:05,760
that issue is right and here and today

4019
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:09,680
we this policy improvement this and that

4020
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:12,560
can happen of course uh send it to DC

4021
02:29:09,680 --> 02:29:14,880
but something that is here and now we

4022
02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:17,359
need to address it second I think I

4023
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:20,160
don't want to underestimate the issue of

4024
02:29:17,359 --> 02:29:23,200
customer service. I spoke with Miss Oaks

4025
02:29:20,160 --> 02:29:25,439
and Craig in the past. If there is a

4026
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:27,920
situation where town staff is cutting

4027
02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:31,120
down some branches and stuff and owner

4028
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:33,920
comes out and start arguing, disengage.

4029
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:36,319
In other words, tell them, "Okay, let us

4030
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:39,840
have my supervisor come and talk to you.

4031
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:42,240
Do not argue. Do not there. This is not

4032
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:45,359
uh I don't want any resident to feel

4033
02:29:42,240 --> 02:29:46,880
disrespected and and and and customer

4034
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:49,280
service we are in the business of

4035
02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:51,280
customer service. So uh I think Craig

4036
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:54,160
and team agreed that they have to train

4037
02:29:51,280 --> 02:29:57,600
their people and what happened with uh

4038
02:29:54,160 --> 02:30:00,240
Karen was unfortunate and it shouldn't

4039
02:29:57,600 --> 02:30:02,880
repeat itself again. Thank you.

4040
02:30:00,240 --> 02:30:05,120
» Okay. And and yes, you're in agreement

4041
02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:06,720
that it goes back to uldc for some

4042
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:08,880
tailoring.

4043
02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:09,680
» Yes, for some. But in the meantime, take

4044
02:30:08,880 --> 02:30:11,439
action on health.

4045
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:12,800
» Yes, I'm I'm aware. Yes, in the

4046
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:16,800
meantime. Yes.

4047
02:30:12,800 --> 02:30:21,280
» So, yeah. Okay. So, uh site triangles,

4048
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:24,399
any other input on site triangles?

4049
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:26,880
» I'm with you. I I do and I'm sorry I did

4050
02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:28,000
not because I'm really tired hearing

4051
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:33,680
about site triangles to be honest with

4052
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:37,520
you. Um, do we go and look how it

4053
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:39,120
melds with the a community and with

4054
02:30:37,520 --> 02:30:42,120
requirements? I mean, because we don't

4055
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:42,120
own

4056
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:49,760
farm A has one ent or two entrances

4057
02:30:46,240 --> 02:30:51,840
right on

4058
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:53,760
D road,

4059
02:30:51,840 --> 02:30:55,920
right? This equestrian facility has two

4060
02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:56,880
entrances on D- road. This is just

4061
02:30:55,920 --> 02:30:58,560
everything is made up here.

4062
02:30:56,880 --> 02:31:02,240
» Hypothetical. Everything is made up and

4063
02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:04,319
hypothetical, right? So the town doesn't

4064
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:06,720
own

4065
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:08,720
that corner. Like if you go, you know,

4066
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:10,560
we we like to, you know, and I I do it

4067
02:31:08,720 --> 02:31:12,080
too. We we're this rule, we are rural

4068
02:31:10,560 --> 02:31:13,520
community, but you know, we're not as

4069
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:16,240
rural as some others. And if you go out

4070
02:31:13,520 --> 02:31:17,840
to farmland, right, and you go to where

4071
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:21,280
they're growing corn, go out just just

4072
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:24,319
west of here, it's Belgrade. Um, and as

4073
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:27,680
as as the the farm road comes up to the

4074
02:31:24,319 --> 02:31:30,960
main road, there's shoulders, right? And

4075
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:33,200
there's easements for that road and the

4076
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:36,160
farm doesn't encroach past the ditch or

4077
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:38,160
whatever. And I think, you know, like

4078
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:39,920
when you're going down 80s, the the

4079
02:31:38,160 --> 02:31:43,359
municipality, the county owns that part

4080
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:46,000
of the road. So, they farm right up to

4081
02:31:43,359 --> 02:31:49,680
where they can farm, right? So without

4082
02:31:46,000 --> 02:31:52,960
us owning that corner, I don't know how

4083
02:31:49,680 --> 02:31:55,280
we dictate, you know, to set a horse

4084
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:59,120
farm on D- road. You can't plant Kousa

4085
02:31:55,280 --> 02:32:00,800
hedges there that grow 10 ft tall and

4086
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:02,800
let them get that high. I don't I don't

4087
02:32:00,800 --> 02:32:04,399
see how we can do that. I mean, I

4088
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:06,479
understand there's a safety aspect to

4089
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:09,200
it. Like like Lisa said, maybe we need

4090
02:32:06,479 --> 02:32:13,120
to, you know, invest in some some of

4091
02:32:09,200 --> 02:32:16,640
those convex or convex Yeah. convex

4092
02:32:13,120 --> 02:32:18,479
mirrors because I mean and maybe this is

4093
02:32:16,640 --> 02:32:20,399
something we look to the future like if

4094
02:32:18,479 --> 02:32:21,680
you you develop your property do a

4095
02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:24,160
substantial development or something

4096
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:26,880
like that then in that instance we're

4097
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:28,080
going to you know or you're you know you

4098
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:28,960
buy a vacant property and you're going

4099
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:30,160
to

4100
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:33,120
» Go through and tell people that have

4101
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:35,040
been had this gate here for 30 years and

4102
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:38,000
» That and the road being widened and x

4103
02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:39,680
and y and z and everything else. So

4104
02:32:38,000 --> 02:32:40,880
» I think all that has to go into

4105
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,640
» Yeah. into the

4106
02:32:40,880 --> 02:32:44,560
» This for me needs to be seriously

4107
02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:46,880
curtailed and especially where it

4108
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:48,560
regards the the trail heads as well.

4109
02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:50,240
This is not just the roadways. I

4110
02:32:48,560 --> 02:32:51,840
» Mean I do appreciate the kind of

4111
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:53,680
defining where things start and stop

4112
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:55,840
because the other one the one previous

4113
02:32:53,680 --> 02:32:57,840
to this it was kind of ambiguous to

4114
02:32:55,840 --> 02:33:00,080
where that dimension starts like where

4115
02:32:57,840 --> 02:33:02,640
am I measuring from right you know. So

4116
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:05,280
» Yeah so and that was the old council

4117
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:06,960
direction. This is the new council. So,

4118
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:07,680
Vice Mayor Sue, do you have anything to

4119
02:33:06,960 --> 02:33:10,800
add?

4120
02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:13,280
» Yes. Yes. I I would say focus on the

4121
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:17,520
main roads. Uh, leave the private

4122
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:19,760
driveways alone. Leave the smaller um,

4123
02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:22,000
you know, intersections alone. Focus on

4124
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:24,800
what we have consensus. Consensus is

4125
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:27,840
main roads is a health and safety issue.

4126
02:33:24,800 --> 02:33:31,359
Let's take care of that as we discussed

4127
02:33:27,840 --> 02:33:33,359
and that's the priority. rest can I I

4128
02:33:31,359 --> 02:33:35,680
don't I'm not in the favor of telling

4129
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:37,439
people how to maintain their sight of

4130
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:40,160
triangle and their private driveways. I

4131
02:33:37,439 --> 02:33:43,520
I don't think that's in our community

4132
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:46,560
that's applicable. And also for the

4133
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:48,319
small side streets coming into the

4134
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:50,800
letter roads and stuff. I don't think

4135
02:33:48,319 --> 02:33:53,120
that is the priority either. Let's have

4136
02:33:50,800 --> 02:33:55,200
a mirror or something along those lines.

4137
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:57,439
Let's let's agree to focus on the main

4138
02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:59,439
roads for now. Thank you. Well, to be

4139
02:33:57,439 --> 02:34:01,200
devil's advocate, some of the main

4140
02:33:59,439 --> 02:34:03,280
roads, I'm assuming you're talking about

4141
02:34:01,200 --> 02:34:05,200
any lettered road or level one service

4142
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:07,840
road that intersects.

4143
02:34:05,200 --> 02:34:10,399
» No, I'm talking about Okichchobee or or

4144
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:13,040
main those kind of highways intersect

4145
02:34:10,399 --> 02:34:16,000
Okchobee or southern intersecting with

4146
02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:17,439
the letter roads, those corners that

4147
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:19,520
» I don't think there's any sight triangle

4148
02:34:17,439 --> 02:34:21,280
issue on any one of those. So,

4149
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:23,600
» Okay. Well, that's a good news.

4150
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:24,880
» So, then this is this is a a non-issue

4151
02:34:23,600 --> 02:34:28,000
for the town and we should get rid of

4152
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:31,120
the sight triangle. No, maybe it may be

4153
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:32,800
then it may be in my view unless unless

4154
02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:35,120
you tell me it's a really health and

4155
02:34:32,800 --> 02:34:37,520
safety issue I think the private

4156
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:40,720
driveways and all that other stuff in my

4157
02:34:37,520 --> 02:34:42,880
humble view this is not this is a rural

4158
02:34:40,720 --> 02:34:43,760
town we should not be putting those

4159
02:34:42,880 --> 02:34:45,520
things

4160
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:47,120
» And that that goes back to city people

4161
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:49,200
coming out here and driving and saying

4162
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:50,720
it's not safe well nobody out here is

4163
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:52,560
trying to keep you safe it's there's a

4164
02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:53,760
ditch over there don't drive in it right

4165
02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:55,840
so

4166
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:59,120
» And you should look both ways There you

4167
02:34:55,840 --> 02:35:00,800
go. So, um I I know we haven't got a

4168
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:02,640
bunch of public comment on this and and

4169
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:03,920
we've got Karen at the microphone.

4170
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:05,680
» That's it.

4171
02:35:03,920 --> 02:35:07,359
» Yeah.

4172
02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:09,359
» Similar to the conversation we had on

4173
02:35:07,359 --> 02:35:11,520
the news, right? Whereas there's

4174
02:35:09,359 --> 02:35:14,560
existing language, we have been

4175
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:17,520
instructed not to enforce the line of

4176
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:20,399
the line of sight.

4177
02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:22,160
Um so I guess from from staff's

4178
02:35:20,399 --> 02:35:24,319
perspective, we looking for some

4179
02:35:22,160 --> 02:35:27,600
guidance. Is it as the mayor has said,

4180
02:35:24,319 --> 02:35:30,080
are we looking to remove the language,

4181
02:35:27,600 --> 02:35:31,520
which was my concern and the attorney,

4182
02:35:30,080 --> 02:35:33,439
I'm sure, can take it up more than I

4183
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:36,399
can, having language in our code and not

4184
02:35:33,439 --> 02:35:39,600
in the boards can, which I'm okay with.

4185
02:35:36,399 --> 02:35:41,200
I'm not saying I'm not. Um, so I just

4186
02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:43,280
want to make sure because we already

4187
02:35:41,200 --> 02:35:45,760
brought it to the

4188
02:35:43,280 --> 02:35:47,200
we gave you their language

4189
02:35:45,760 --> 02:35:52,319
» Based on the direction that you gave

4190
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:54,240
them from a previous council. But

4191
02:35:52,319 --> 02:35:56,080
» They're very boisterous.

4192
02:35:54,240 --> 02:35:58,399
» I have direction because I want I want

4193
02:35:56,080 --> 02:36:00,880
to address what your concerns are. Is it

4194
02:35:58,399 --> 02:36:03,600
to go back to the ULDC based upon

4195
02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:05,680
discussion in this meeting? Is it to

4196
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:07,520
remove it and then adopt something

4197
02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:10,640
later, which is what you obviously can

4198
02:36:07,520 --> 02:36:14,399
do. I I

4199
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:17,680
» I think item one is um we there is

4200
02:36:14,399 --> 02:36:21,760
plenty of language in our code that we

4201
02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:24,240
don't actively enforce. Um we've talked

4202
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:26,960
about some of it tonight, i.e. how tall

4203
02:36:24,240 --> 02:36:27,359
my grass is, right? That's been in the

4204
02:36:26,960 --> 02:36:28,640
code

4205
02:36:27,359 --> 02:36:30,880
» Or your unsanitary fill

4206
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:32,080
» Or my unsanitary fill, which I still

4207
02:36:30,880 --> 02:36:34,080
that maybe that's the stuff that comes

4208
02:36:32,080 --> 02:36:35,840
out of the treatment center down in Del

4209
02:36:34,080 --> 02:36:38,319
Re.

4210
02:36:35,840 --> 02:36:40,319
But so I there's plenty of stuff we

4211
02:36:38,319 --> 02:36:41,920
we've taken a stance or actually

4212
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:44,240
previous councils and we've carried that

4213
02:36:41,920 --> 02:36:47,600
on that the the stance with our code

4214
02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:50,800
enforcement is a health and life safety

4215
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:53,359
direction, right? Or complaint driven.

4216
02:36:50,800 --> 02:36:55,520
Okay? So we're not going out and we're

4217
02:36:53,359 --> 02:36:57,280
not actively

4218
02:36:55,520 --> 02:36:58,720
correct me if I'm wrong, anybody has a

4219
02:36:57,280 --> 02:37:00,960
different opinion. We're not actively

4220
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:01,600
going after people for sight line right

4221
02:37:00,960 --> 02:37:04,880
now.

4222
02:37:01,600 --> 02:37:07,520
» Not presently. They did and we we put a

4223
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:10,479
stop private drives.

4224
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:12,319
You're you're still enforcing like level

4225
02:37:10,479 --> 02:37:13,439
service road in

4226
02:37:12,319 --> 02:37:15,760
» No. Okay.

4227
02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:17,760
» Yeah. They they stopped it. Was it

4228
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:20,000
January, right? We stopped. They sent

4229
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:20,960
out some courtesy letters and we said,

4230
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,640
"Whoa, whoa, whoa."

4231
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:25,600
» Has there been a rise in accidents and

4232
02:37:22,640 --> 02:37:26,720
driveways and intersections?

4233
02:37:25,600 --> 02:37:28,800
» No. The answer is no.

4234
02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:29,520
» You know, yeah.

4235
02:37:28,800 --> 02:37:31,439
So I think

4236
02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:34,000
» I think with clearing clearing the

4237
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:36,720
vegetation to the vertical plane that

4238
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:39,359
that does address quite a bit of it

4239
02:37:36,720 --> 02:37:42,399
again as the roads have encroached. I

4240
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:44,880
did go up north in E- Road where it was

4241
02:37:42,399 --> 02:37:46,800
paved on that little last little strip.

4242
02:37:44,880 --> 02:37:48,720
» It's an interesting corner. I did speak

4243
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:50,960
to Craig about it. He had he had he had

4244
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:53,600
logic. Um I'm not sure I agreed with the

4245
02:37:50,960 --> 02:37:57,040
logic, but there's there was logic. Um

4246
02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:59,600
so but it to me it it's a blind curve.

4247
02:37:57,040 --> 02:38:02,160
There is one of the city. Yeah, the city

4248
02:37:59,600 --> 02:38:03,680
has its own its own bubble mirror

4249
02:38:02,160 --> 02:38:08,000
» Driveway

4250
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:11,200
» Kind of. Yeah. But, you know, I think

4251
02:38:08,000 --> 02:38:16,160
I'm I'm with get rid of it. Um or

4252
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:18,160
curtail it back and but I I know safety

4253
02:38:16,160 --> 02:38:20,479
always becomes like the legal buzzword

4254
02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:22,080
and and lawyers lose these things.

4255
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:24,640
» I I think the argument is there that it

4256
02:38:22,080 --> 02:38:27,280
is safer to have this, right? It is

4257
02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:30,000
because you're as you pull up, you know,

4258
02:38:27,280 --> 02:38:32,160
there are some intersections that, you

4259
02:38:30,000 --> 02:38:34,240
know, private drives where they're more

4260
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:37,280
challenging than others and people have

4261
02:38:34,240 --> 02:38:39,600
to nudge out and, you know, now that

4262
02:38:37,280 --> 02:38:40,560
it's paved even more so than when it was

4263
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:42,319
dirt cuz

4264
02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:44,399
» Listen, when I was young, I used to fly.

4265
02:38:42,319 --> 02:38:48,880
I'm not going to lie to you, okay? I had

4266
02:38:44,399 --> 02:38:52,000
a 1978 F250. I drove my dad's truck and

4267
02:38:48,880 --> 02:38:53,840
you know, but people have to nudge out,

4268
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:57,359
right? So the safe sight corner actually

4269
02:38:53,840 --> 02:39:01,200
helps. So I think maybe we go a

4270
02:38:57,359 --> 02:39:03,680
direction of after said date if you do a

4271
02:39:01,200 --> 02:39:04,399
substantial improvement or if

4272
02:39:03,680 --> 02:39:06,240
» New construction

4273
02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:06,960
» New construction

4274
02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:08,080
we

4275
02:39:06,960 --> 02:39:09,840
» Get rid of substantial improvement.

4276
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,160
Substantial improvement is over 50%.

4277
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:10,560
Right.

4278
02:39:10,160 --> 02:39:12,319
» Okay.

4279
02:39:10,560 --> 02:39:14,240
» So if you do substantial improvement or

4280
02:39:12,319 --> 02:39:15,840
you say you buy a house it's on 20 acres

4281
02:39:14,240 --> 02:39:17,200
with just a house but then you go put

4282
02:39:15,840 --> 02:39:17,600
this big huge barn.

4283
02:39:17,200 --> 02:39:18,720
» Right.

4284
02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:21,280
» Can I can I weigh in?

4285
02:39:18,720 --> 02:39:24,720
» Right. Um, can we also provide for the

4286
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:28,640
people that have the current issue

4287
02:39:24,720 --> 02:39:29,920
that we do not we wave the um, what do

4288
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:33,200
you all call that? A right-of-way

4289
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:36,240
permit, right? To put to put in a safety

4290
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:37,520
bubble mirror, convex mirror. Can can we

4291
02:39:36,240 --> 02:39:40,000
have staff wave that?

4292
02:39:37,520 --> 02:39:41,680
» So, in essence, it becomes free, right,

4293
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:43,359
to put it in if they want to use it for

4294
02:39:41,680 --> 02:39:45,920
from a safety standpoint. So, we've

4295
02:39:43,359 --> 02:39:47,840
provided them an avenue to make their

4296
02:39:45,920 --> 02:39:51,040
driveway more safe to exit.

4297
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:53,040
» Yeah. I and I would recommend that if

4298
02:39:51,040 --> 02:39:54,720
you want to go that route, I would

4299
02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:57,720
recommend that they still have to

4300
02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:57,720
receive,

4301
02:39:58,000 --> 02:39:59,760
» But we would wave the fee.

4302
02:39:59,439 --> 02:40:02,760
» Yeah.

4303
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:02,760
» Right.

4304
02:40:03,040 --> 02:40:06,720
» Yes. So,

4305
02:40:05,280 --> 02:40:08,640
» Yeah, I think that that's all part of

4306
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:11,920
it. I think we go that direction where

4307
02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:14,640
at some point in the future,

4308
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:17,040
» None of us will be here. Everybody will

4309
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:18,240
start becoming more compliant and safe,

4310
02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:20,319
right? We're

4311
02:40:18,240 --> 02:40:22,240
gonna go after, you know, no offense.

4312
02:40:20,319 --> 02:40:23,920
We're not gonna go after Karen. She has

4313
02:40:22,240 --> 02:40:26,080
actually nice wide driveway. You can

4314
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:27,120
kind of see, right? But we're not going

4315
02:40:26,080 --> 02:40:29,120
to go after Ken. We're not gonna go

4316
02:40:27,120 --> 02:40:32,080
after Joe. We're not, you know, and if

4317
02:40:29,120 --> 02:40:34,800
you're on a major letter road, you know,

4318
02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:36,479
Lisa plans next month and you can't see

4319
02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:38,720
your property and you know, you're

4320
02:40:36,479 --> 02:40:40,720
there. We're not going after Lisa

4321
02:40:38,720 --> 02:40:42,160
because there's a, you know, there's not

4322
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:44,880
a safe sight corner,

4323
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:46,880
» Right? It's an existing thing. Now if

4324
02:40:44,880 --> 02:40:49,760
you do a substantial improvement

4325
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:51,600
different scenario kind of like flood

4326
02:40:49,760 --> 02:40:55,040
regulations and things like that right

4327
02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:57,200
so along the same lines because you know

4328
02:40:55,040 --> 02:40:59,439
because and again how much can we

4329
02:40:57,200 --> 02:41:00,720
enforce with an a property

4330
02:40:59,439 --> 02:41:02,399
» But it might not be an egg property

4331
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:04,160
tomorrow you might sell correct

4332
02:41:02,399 --> 02:41:06,319
» Joe when Joe doesn't want to be

4333
02:41:04,160 --> 02:41:08,560
» Are we okay with what they

4334
02:41:06,319 --> 02:41:09,920
» Because the 10-ft setbacks on fences and

4335
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:11,439
stuff like that I think that's a little

4336
02:41:09,920 --> 02:41:13,600
intrusive um

4337
02:41:11,439 --> 02:41:15,439
» Yeah you start losing property I mean 10

4338
02:41:13,600 --> 02:41:17,359
foot setback back on my place.

4339
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:20,560
» Maybe this needs to come back

4340
02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:23,840
» With that caveat that, you know, if it's

4341
02:41:20,560 --> 02:41:25,760
determined to be one that would have

4342
02:41:23,840 --> 02:41:28,160
been deemed for a site triangle, that

4343
02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:31,680
resident can apply for the permit

4344
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:34,080
without paying the fee, the waiver, the

4345
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:35,520
new the new site development or

4346
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:40,240
significant improvement,

4347
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:41,760
» Right? uh that that way I hate to hold

4348
02:41:40,240 --> 02:41:45,760
people

4349
02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:47,680
like to me that's kind of um what

4350
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:48,960
happening when people hate you want if

4351
02:41:47,680 --> 02:41:50,479
you want your significant improvement

4352
02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:52,399
permit you got to put in a site trying

4353
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:54,319
» I know I mean it's it's just part it's

4354
02:41:52,399 --> 02:41:56,880
it's part of the conditions of approval

4355
02:41:54,319 --> 02:41:59,439
right I mean you do significant approval

4356
02:41:56,880 --> 02:42:02,880
significant improvement happens a lot

4357
02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:04,720
right so I I I've or just do do all you

4358
02:42:02,880 --> 02:42:07,520
know new but see if I buy a property

4359
02:42:04,720 --> 02:42:10,560
with a with 20 acres with an existing

4360
02:42:07,520 --> 02:42:12,000
house and I go put up this big honk and

4361
02:42:10,560 --> 02:42:12,160
barn, right? Da da d d d d d d d d d d d

4362
02:42:12,000 --> 02:42:12,960
d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d d

4363
02:42:12,160 --> 02:42:14,800
d d d d d d d d d and I'm going to have

4364
02:42:12,960 --> 02:42:15,359
18 wheel horse trailers coming in out of

4365
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:17,760
there.

4366
02:42:15,359 --> 02:42:21,280
» Well, you probably driveway anyway,

4367
02:42:17,760 --> 02:42:22,479
» You know, you never know, right? So,

4368
02:42:21,280 --> 02:42:24,479
» So it's like where do you draw that

4369
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:26,960
line? So, it's you know, we talk about

4370
02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:28,160
equestrian estate planning and we talk

4371
02:42:26,960 --> 02:42:29,760
about all this other stuff that we

4372
02:42:28,160 --> 02:42:34,080
talked about, you know, somebody puts in

4373
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:35,920
a large nursery, you know, it it it's I

4374
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:37,200
don't know. I I think there's some

4375
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:39,359
there's some room there to work with and

4376
02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:41,120
I think we send it back to ULDC and go

4377
02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:42,399
we got a good start but we got some

4378
02:42:41,120 --> 02:42:43,359
better idea. We got some other ideas

4379
02:42:42,399 --> 02:42:44,160
here.

4380
02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:44,640
» Let's throw it in.

4381
02:42:44,160 --> 02:42:45,359
» Y

4382
02:42:44,640 --> 02:42:45,840
» Right.

4383
02:42:45,359 --> 02:42:47,600
» Yeah.

4384
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:49,920
» Maybe let PZ&B look at it. I don't know.

4385
02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:53,080
» So Manish, did you have anything to add

4386
02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:53,080
to that?

4387
02:42:54,560 --> 02:42:58,800
» No, I'm good. I think I agree. Let's

4388
02:42:56,560 --> 02:43:00,880
just focus on the main problem and let

4389
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:03,520
it come back later. We have other main

4390
02:43:00,880 --> 02:43:06,880
priorities. Thank you.

4391
02:43:03,520 --> 02:43:09,680
Okay. Okay. Was that

4392
02:43:06,880 --> 02:43:12,479
» Going back to RPC? Did the you know with

4393
02:43:09,680 --> 02:43:14,880
the discussion today allow individuals

4394
02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:16,720
to apply for the rightway permit with no

4395
02:43:14,880 --> 02:43:19,359
fee in order to install the mirrors or

4396
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:21,520
whatever they feel to help them.

4397
02:43:19,359 --> 02:43:23,040
» I our goal is not to make it less safe,

4398
02:43:21,520 --> 02:43:25,120
right? So if they feel that that's a

4399
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:27,760
safety something for them to force them

4400
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:30,240
to pay to put in a convex mirror for

4401
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:31,840
safety versus I got to hack off these

4402
02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:34,240
two corners of my property that oh by

4403
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:35,680
the way that was my pasture and now you

4404
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:36,960
know and I've got little paddics

4405
02:43:35,680 --> 02:43:38,319
whatever right

4406
02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:40,880
» Well it's part of what we're providing

4407
02:43:38,319 --> 02:43:42,240
with the tax dollar right that's

4408
02:43:40,880 --> 02:43:43,840
» Well and it's just waving it we're not

4409
02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:45,359
giving them mirrors right

4410
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:47,600
» Yeah we'll just only thing we would be

4411
02:43:45,359 --> 02:43:48,000
providing is a standard to the mirror

4412
02:43:47,600 --> 02:43:49,600
» Okay

4413
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:51,760
» Yeah the specification

4414
02:43:49,600 --> 02:43:53,840
» It would be with a breakaway sign O

4415
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:55,279
sign, you know, sleeve that we currently

4416
02:43:53,840 --> 02:43:57,279
» You don't want to stop the car when they

4417
02:43:55,279 --> 02:43:59,279
go over the canal make with that.

4418
02:43:57,279 --> 02:44:00,560
» Not to not to complicate, but do not to

4419
02:43:59,279 --> 02:44:03,359
complicate, but do we have the ability

4420
02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:04,640
for them to purchase the sign from the

4421
02:44:03,359 --> 02:44:05,040
mirror from us?

4422
02:44:04,640 --> 02:44:06,560
» No.

4423
02:44:05,040 --> 02:44:09,120
» No.

4424
02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:10,319
» I mean, do there's a kind of

4425
02:44:09,120 --> 02:44:12,000
» I'm just saying that way there's kind of

4426
02:44:10,319 --> 02:44:13,760
a standard across the

4427
02:44:12,000 --> 02:44:14,240
» Is there any public comment on this?

4428
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:16,000
» Yes, ma'am.

4429
02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:16,960
» I see shaking heads. Thank you.

4430
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:18,800
» Some interior.

4431
02:44:16,960 --> 02:44:21,279
» No. left out, you know, pulled out of a

4432
02:44:18,800 --> 02:44:23,279
Walgreens after a demolition convex

4433
02:44:21,279 --> 02:44:23,920
terror that's going to rot in two, three

4434
02:44:23,279 --> 02:44:25,600
weeks.

4435
02:44:23,920 --> 02:44:27,279
» That's pretty standard.

4436
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:31,720
» Who's up first?

4437
02:44:27,279 --> 02:44:31,720
» Tracy Ruffalo.

4438
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:36,800
» He's cutting into my cocktail hour. I'm

4439
02:44:35,520 --> 02:44:37,520
just saying.

4440
02:44:36,800 --> 02:44:38,560
» Sorry.

4441
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:41,560
» Oh, right.

4442
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:41,560
» Wow.

4443
02:44:42,000 --> 02:44:47,600
» Recording out there.

4444
02:44:45,600 --> 02:44:49,200
» Somebody's AI that. Hello. Hello.

4445
02:44:47,600 --> 02:44:52,479
» She So, she joins me at the cocktail

4446
02:44:49,200 --> 02:44:54,640
hour at her cocktail hour, too.

4447
02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:57,279
» Line of sight. I think the line of sight

4448
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:59,760
issue has totally gotten out of control.

4449
02:44:57,279 --> 02:45:02,399
I support addressing a real visibility

4450
02:44:59,760 --> 02:45:04,319
hazard when one actually exists. What I

4451
02:45:02,399 --> 02:45:06,160
do not support is creating a proactive

4452
02:45:04,319 --> 02:45:08,240
enforcement system that sends staff out

4453
02:45:06,160 --> 02:45:10,560
through town looking for theoretical

4454
02:45:08,240 --> 02:45:12,960
violations involving mature trees,

4455
02:45:10,560 --> 02:45:14,880
shrubs, fences, gates, driveways,

4456
02:45:12,960 --> 02:45:17,520
trails, and landscaping on private

4457
02:45:14,880 --> 02:45:19,120
property. This started with a townwide

4458
02:45:17,520 --> 02:45:21,120
sweep.

4459
02:45:19,120 --> 02:45:23,439
The workshop packet states the town

4460
02:45:21,120 --> 02:45:25,120
staff conducted a a townwide review of

4461
02:45:23,439 --> 02:45:27,279
line of sight violations and sent

4462
02:45:25,120 --> 02:45:29,439
courtesy notices to approximately 30

4463
02:45:27,279 --> 02:45:31,120
properties. The packet does not say

4464
02:45:29,439 --> 02:45:33,520
those 30 properties were identified

4465
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:35,520
because of 30 resident complaints,

4466
02:45:33,520 --> 02:45:38,160
accidents, or documented safety

4467
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:40,240
incidents. Councelor later directed

4468
02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:41,920
staff to stop enforcing the line of

4469
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:43,760
sight regulations and send the issue

4470
02:45:41,920 --> 02:45:46,160
back for review. Here we are back at

4471
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:48,399
reviewing. My first question is simple.

4472
02:45:46,160 --> 02:45:50,240
What actual problem are we trying to

4473
02:45:48,399 --> 02:45:52,720
solve?

4474
02:45:50,240 --> 02:45:55,200
Lots of questions. How many crashes,

4475
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:56,880
near misses, emergency access problems,

4476
02:45:55,200 --> 02:45:58,720
or resident complaints have actually

4477
02:45:56,880 --> 02:46:01,120
been caused by these sight triangle

4478
02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:03,359
conditions? Of the approximate 30

4479
02:46:01,120 --> 02:46:05,120
properties identified by staff, how many

4480
02:46:03,359 --> 02:46:07,520
came from an actual complaint or

4481
02:46:05,120 --> 02:46:09,120
documented safety incident? And how many

4482
02:46:07,520 --> 02:46:11,760
were found simply because staff

4483
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:13,600
conducted a townwide review?

4484
02:46:11,760 --> 02:46:16,640
What happens to a mature tree that has

4485
02:46:13,600 --> 02:46:18,560
existed so safely for decades? Are

4486
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:20,880
existing trees, gates, fences, and

4487
02:46:18,560 --> 02:46:23,279
landscaping grandfathered? What happens

4488
02:46:20,880 --> 02:46:25,840
with irregular driveways or old access

4489
02:46:23,279 --> 02:46:28,160
points that are no longer used? If the

4490
02:46:25,840 --> 02:46:30,640
town expanded or widened a road, changed

4491
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:32,479
the edge of pavement, altered drainage,

4492
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:34,880
or otherwise changed a resident's

4493
02:46:32,479 --> 02:46:37,040
frontage, why should that same property

4494
02:46:34,880 --> 02:46:39,040
owner be cited because an existing tree,

4495
02:46:37,040 --> 02:46:41,520
hedge, fence, gate, or landscaping now

4496
02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:43,439
falls within a sight triangle? If the

4497
02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:46,000
town created a worsen if the town

4498
02:46:43,439 --> 02:46:47,600
created or worsened the condition, why

4499
02:46:46,000 --> 02:46:50,399
should the resident automatically bear

4500
02:46:47,600 --> 02:46:52,240
the cost of correcting it? If the

4501
02:46:50,399 --> 02:46:54,000
roadway, equestrian trails, and greenway

4502
02:46:52,240 --> 02:46:55,760
committee believe the existing 10-ft

4503
02:46:54,000 --> 02:46:58,399
line of sight was sufficient or rider

4504
02:46:55,760 --> 02:47:00,560
visibility in overall safety, why are we

4505
02:46:58,399 --> 02:47:02,240
making the regulation more complicated?

4506
02:47:00,560 --> 02:47:03,760
Why should council direct staff to draft

4507
02:47:02,240 --> 02:47:05,600
an ordinance before the town attorney

4508
02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:08,399
determines whether the proposed language

4509
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:10,160
could be could be prohibited as a more

4510
02:47:08,399 --> 02:47:13,760
restrictive or burdensome land

4511
02:47:10,160 --> 02:47:15,760
development regulation under SP 180.

4512
02:47:13,760 --> 02:47:18,399
The proposed rule goes much further than

4513
02:47:15,760 --> 02:47:20,560
a simple safety standard. The proposed

4514
02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:22,319
language regulates parking spaces,

4515
02:47:20,560 --> 02:47:24,800
signs, walls, fences, hedges, shrubs,

4516
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:26,240
trees, earth mounds, natural growth, and

4517
02:47:24,800 --> 02:47:27,920
other obstructions within the sight

4518
02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:30,319
triangle.

4519
02:47:27,920 --> 02:47:33,120
It establishes a clear zone between 30

4520
02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:34,880
in and 8 ft. Trees within the clear

4521
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:36,800
sight triangle are proposed to have a

4522
02:47:34,880 --> 02:47:39,200
minimum of 8 ft of clear trunk.

4523
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:42,080
Shrubbery is limited to a maximum mature

4524
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:44,240
height of 30 in. The proposal also

4525
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:47,200
includes setbacks for landscaping from

4526
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:48,800
roadway and driveway pavement. This is a

4527
02:47:47,200 --> 02:47:51,040
significant level of control over

4528
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:52,720
private property, especially in a rural

4529
02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:55,439
agricultural community where mature

4530
02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:57,359
trees, natural vegetation, and unusual

4531
02:47:55,439 --> 02:48:00,160
driveways, canals, trails, and older

4532
02:47:57,359 --> 02:48:05,000
properties layouts are very common. Town

4533
02:48:00,160 --> 02:48:05,000
pro town road projects are existing.

4534
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:12,600
This is one of my biggest concerns.

4535
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:12,600
» Town has expanded.

4536
02:48:16,319 --> 02:48:19,359
there.

4537
02:48:17,680 --> 02:48:21,200
» Uh, one of my biggest concerns, the town

4538
02:48:19,359 --> 02:48:22,720
has expanded and altered roads over

4539
02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:24,319
time. When that happens, the

4540
02:48:22,720 --> 02:48:26,399
relationship between the roadway, the

4541
02:48:24,319 --> 02:48:28,800
edgement of pavement, the right of way,

4542
02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:31,439
a driveway, and existing trees, fences,

4543
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:33,120
gates, and landscaping change. A

4544
02:48:31,439 --> 02:48:35,040
resident may have had a tree, hedge,

4545
02:48:33,120 --> 02:48:37,279
fence, or gate in the same location for

4546
02:48:35,040 --> 02:48:39,840
years without creating a documented

4547
02:48:37,279 --> 02:48:41,520
safety problem. If a town road project

4548
02:48:39,840 --> 02:48:43,520
later changed that frontage, it's

4549
02:48:41,520 --> 02:48:45,040
unacceptable that to turn around and

4550
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:46,880
site the property owner simply because

4551
02:48:45,040 --> 02:48:48,479
the town's work changed where the site

4552
02:48:46,880 --> 02:48:50,880
triangle is measured or how close the

4553
02:48:48,479 --> 02:48:52,640
roadway is to an existing feature.

4554
02:48:50,880 --> 02:48:54,800
Before any citations are issued, the

4555
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:56,640
town should determine whether the

4556
02:48:54,800 --> 02:48:58,960
alleged condition existed before the

4557
02:48:56,640 --> 02:49:01,359
road project, whether the town's work

4558
02:48:58,960 --> 02:49:03,040
created the or worsened the issue, or

4559
02:49:01,359 --> 02:49:05,040
whether the there is an actual

4560
02:49:03,040 --> 02:49:07,359
documented visibility hazard at that

4561
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:08,800
location. If the town contributed to

4562
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:10,479
creating the problem, the answer should

4563
02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:12,560
be work with the property owner on a

4564
02:49:10,479 --> 02:49:14,720
reasonable solution, not penalize the

4565
02:49:12,560 --> 02:49:16,640
resident or make them pay or correct the

4566
02:49:14,720 --> 02:49:19,279
condition caused or worsened by a town

4567
02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:22,000
project. The committee themselves raised

4568
02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:23,840
these concerns. The workshop packet

4569
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:26,080
showed that the ULDC committee discussed

4570
02:49:23,840 --> 02:49:27,359
how old trees should be treated, whether

4571
02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:28,960
they should be grandfathered, how

4572
02:49:27,359 --> 02:49:30,960
irregular shaped driveways should be

4573
02:49:28,960 --> 02:49:33,040
handled or whether unused access points

4574
02:49:30,960 --> 02:49:35,120
should have been and or should have

4575
02:49:33,040 --> 02:49:37,200
comply should have to comply with the

4576
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:38,640
line of sight requirements. The roadway,

4577
02:49:37,200 --> 02:49:40,240
equestrian, trails, and greenway

4578
02:49:38,640 --> 02:49:42,640
committee also concluded that the

4579
02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:44,399
existing 10-ft line of sight appeared

4580
02:49:42,640 --> 02:49:47,040
sufficient for rider visibility and

4581
02:49:44,399 --> 02:49:50,960
overall safety. The uldc recommendation

4582
02:49:47,040 --> 02:49:52,560
al ultimately passed by a 3 to2 vote. My

4583
02:49:50,960 --> 02:49:55,040
position, if there is an actual

4584
02:49:52,560 --> 02:49:57,200
visibility complaint, investigate it. If

4585
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:59,120
there's a genuine and documented safety

4586
02:49:57,200 --> 02:50:01,040
hazard, contact the property owner and

4587
02:49:59,120 --> 02:50:03,279
work with them to correct it. Do not

4588
02:50:01,040 --> 02:50:04,960
conduct a townwide sweep looking for

4589
02:50:03,279 --> 02:50:07,439
violations where nobody has complained

4590
02:50:04,960 --> 02:50:09,359
and no safety incident has occurred. Do

4591
02:50:07,439 --> 02:50:12,080
not force residents to remove or alter

4592
02:50:09,359 --> 02:50:14,160
mature trees, shrubs, fences, gates, or

4593
02:50:12,080 --> 02:50:16,479
landscaping without first providing the

4594
02:50:14,160 --> 02:50:19,439
actual safety that there is an actual

4595
02:50:16,479 --> 02:50:21,600
safety hazard that exists. Do not create

4596
02:50:19,439 --> 02:50:24,080
new burdens for residents before we know

4597
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:26,319
the proposed ordinance is actually legal

4598
02:50:24,080 --> 02:50:28,240
legally permissible. So, what can

4599
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:30,800
council do tonight, which I think you

4600
02:50:28,240 --> 02:50:32,399
guys have already done? Um, this the

4601
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:34,399
memorandum specifically gives council

4602
02:50:32,399 --> 02:50:36,640
the option to direct staff to draft an

4603
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:38,479
ordinance or to take no further action.

4604
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:41,120
I believe council should take no further

4605
02:50:38,479 --> 02:50:43,120
action unless and until staff can

4606
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:45,920
demonstrate an actual safety problem

4607
02:50:43,120 --> 02:50:47,200
that exists that existing rules and a

4608
02:50:45,920 --> 02:50:49,760
complaint driven approach cannot

4609
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:51,520
address. In closing, we should not

4610
02:50:49,760 --> 02:50:53,520
create violations first and then go

4611
02:50:51,520 --> 02:50:55,279
looking for people who fit them. Code

4612
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:57,439
enforcement should solve real problems,

4613
02:50:55,279 --> 02:50:59,359
not manufacture work for itself. And

4614
02:50:57,439 --> 02:51:01,040
when a town road project has changed a

4615
02:50:59,359 --> 02:51:03,359
resident's frontage, we should not make

4616
02:51:01,040 --> 02:51:05,520
that resident the problem. Show us the

4617
02:51:03,359 --> 02:51:08,000
accidents, show us the complaints, show

4618
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:09,840
us the documented safety problem, and we

4619
02:51:08,000 --> 02:51:12,399
can decide whether additional regulation

4620
02:51:09,840 --> 02:51:13,680
is actually necessary. Thanks. Thank

4621
02:51:12,399 --> 02:51:16,800
you.

4622
02:51:13,680 --> 02:51:18,560
» Next card is um Virginia Standish.

4623
02:51:16,800 --> 02:51:20,399
» Well, Miss Standish is walking up. Just

4624
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:25,000
for the record, um staff has removed the

4625
02:51:20,399 --> 02:51:25,000
photos off Thank you. the website.

4626
02:51:25,200 --> 02:51:29,600
» And was Karen going to comment or did

4627
02:51:26,800 --> 02:51:32,319
she leave?

4628
02:51:29,600 --> 02:51:34,640
Okay.

4629
02:51:32,319 --> 02:51:35,600
Who else do we have after Miss Standish?

4630
02:51:34,640 --> 02:51:37,359
» Assucci.

4631
02:51:35,600 --> 02:51:38,560
» Okay, thank you.

4632
02:51:37,359 --> 02:51:41,439
» Okay,

4633
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:44,800
» Virginia Standish. So, a couple key

4634
02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:47,760
points I've heard tonight. Um, but one I

4635
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:50,000
didn't hear is uh and maybe you've

4636
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:53,040
discussed it in the past. What is the

4637
02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:57,120
town legally required to do when two

4638
02:51:53,040 --> 02:52:00,240
roads intersect regarding line of sight?

4639
02:51:57,120 --> 02:52:02,160
Are there legal requirements? I think

4640
02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:03,680
going forward when this comes back, I'd

4641
02:52:02,160 --> 02:52:05,920
like to hear that as a member of the

4642
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:07,600
public, you have council to answer that

4643
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:10,080
question. What are the legal

4644
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:12,240
requirements for line of sight when two

4645
02:52:10,080 --> 02:52:14,160
roads come together?

4646
02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:18,399
If there's bushes there, do you put a

4647
02:52:14,160 --> 02:52:20,479
height restriction? Okay. Um,

4648
02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:23,040
just asking what the rule the legal

4649
02:52:20,479 --> 02:52:26,560
rules are, not giving an opinion on

4650
02:52:23,040 --> 02:52:28,800
that. Um, mirrors, we talked about a

4651
02:52:26,560 --> 02:52:32,319
standard for mirrors. So my question

4652
02:52:28,800 --> 02:52:34,640
would be uh the mirrors, should that be

4653
02:52:32,319 --> 02:52:37,359
on the property owner site or are you

4654
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:39,600
talking about putting them on the canal

4655
02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:41,840
bank where mowers are trying to go and

4656
02:52:39,600 --> 02:52:45,120
you're going to have all these mirrors.

4657
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:48,399
So is it is it just as efficient? What

4658
02:52:45,120 --> 02:52:50,319
is the research show? Let's not just run

4659
02:52:48,399 --> 02:52:52,399
out and do something to say we did

4660
02:52:50,319 --> 02:52:55,120
something. Let's we're trying to revamp

4661
02:52:52,399 --> 02:52:57,439
this town to be efficient, safe. Let's

4662
02:52:55,120 --> 02:52:59,760
take the time to research this. Are

4663
02:52:57,439 --> 02:53:02,080
those mirrors better placed

4664
02:52:59,760 --> 02:53:04,399
strategically several feet down the

4665
02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:06,000
property owner's side to see what's

4666
02:53:04,399 --> 02:53:08,640
coming and going? And maybe they need

4667
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:10,960
two mirrors, not just one instead of

4668
02:53:08,640 --> 02:53:13,760
having it on the canal bank. Again,

4669
02:53:10,960 --> 02:53:17,520
let's take the time to get these answers

4670
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:20,000
regarding this going back to the ULDC.

4671
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:21,760
Please strike any unnecessary language

4672
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:23,520
to sit here and listen and say, "Well,

4673
02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:24,880
this council says we know we have

4674
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:29,120
language, but we're not going to enforce

4675
02:53:24,880 --> 02:53:31,840
it." Well, thank you, but there's people

4676
02:53:29,120 --> 02:53:34,560
coming behind you and the present status

4677
02:53:31,840 --> 02:53:38,319
of the roads today does not indicate the

4678
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:40,399
future. So, if there's if it's going

4679
02:53:38,319 --> 02:53:42,720
back to the ULDC, please strike any

4680
02:53:40,399 --> 02:53:45,120
unnecessary language and let's not count

4681
02:53:42,720 --> 02:53:47,520
on oh well maybe code we're going to

4682
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:48,960
tell code not to enforce that. Well, who

4683
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:51,279
knows who's going to be doing our code

4684
02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:54,000
and if we go back to Palm Beach County,

4685
02:53:51,279 --> 02:53:55,680
they don't care what you you got this on

4686
02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:58,000
the books. this is what we got to go by.

4687
02:53:55,680 --> 02:53:59,760
I'm a code enforcement officer and I

4688
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:02,479
believe they're licensed and civily

4689
02:53:59,760 --> 02:54:04,000
liable for any issues is my

4690
02:54:02,479 --> 02:54:08,000
understanding.

4691
02:54:04,000 --> 02:54:09,520
Um, so I'd be real careful on we're not

4692
02:54:08,000 --> 02:54:12,640
going to enforce and just remove

4693
02:54:09,520 --> 02:54:15,680
unnecessary language. As far as private

4694
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:18,160
properties, yes, existing properties,

4695
02:54:15,680 --> 02:54:20,560
why are we going back and asking them to

4696
02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:23,040
redo stuff if especially if they're on

4697
02:54:20,560 --> 02:54:24,640
the intersection? great points on new

4698
02:54:23,040 --> 02:54:26,160
construction,

4699
02:54:24,640 --> 02:54:27,920
but

4700
02:54:26,160 --> 02:54:30,640
the this is the part where I'm trying

4701
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:33,920
not to laugh or be sarcastic.

4702
02:54:30,640 --> 02:54:35,760
20 days to get something done.

4703
02:54:33,920 --> 02:54:37,920
I'm going to say it. I challenge this

4704
02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:40,880
town to get anything done in 20 days.

4705
02:54:37,920 --> 02:54:42,880
Thank you very much.

4706
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:46,279
» Thank you,

4707
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:46,279
Cassie. Cassie,

4708
02:54:48,880 --> 02:54:53,520
we're putting you on the clock this time

4709
02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:57,439
so we can get out of here at 8:30.

4710
02:54:53,520 --> 02:55:01,040
» Well, shorter shorter.

4711
02:54:57,439 --> 02:55:03,760
» Um, so, you know, the agenda packet for

4712
02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:07,200
uh the sighteline should really include

4713
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:08,720
um accident analysis, engineering

4714
02:55:07,200 --> 02:55:10,800
studies, or evidence that show

4715
02:55:08,720 --> 02:55:13,920
collisions involving private driveways.

4716
02:55:10,800 --> 02:55:16,319
and that sightelines were the uh reason.

4717
02:55:13,920 --> 02:55:17,760
So, I didn't see that in there. Now, one

4718
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:19,040
of the things I wanted to mention, we

4719
02:55:17,760 --> 02:55:21,279
need to be very careful because we hear

4720
02:55:19,040 --> 02:55:23,279
it all the time using that catch all

4721
02:55:21,279 --> 02:55:26,319
health and safety. Health and safety

4722
02:55:23,279 --> 02:55:29,680
should be a standard supported by facts,

4723
02:55:26,319 --> 02:55:33,279
not something used to uh uh broaden the

4724
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:34,880
authority of code enforcement.

4725
02:55:33,279 --> 02:55:36,720
And it when you are looking and this

4726
02:55:34,880 --> 02:55:39,760
goes out to Karen when she's reviewing

4727
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:41,439
her ordinance basically you need to ask

4728
02:55:39,760 --> 02:55:43,600
yourself are you doing a blanket

4729
02:55:41,439 --> 02:55:45,600
ordinance for everyone are we

4730
02:55:43,600 --> 02:55:47,279
documenting crashes in locks of hatchy

4731
02:55:45,600 --> 02:55:49,120
groves that have been caused by

4732
02:55:47,279 --> 02:55:51,120
inadequate visibility from private

4733
02:55:49,120 --> 02:55:53,279
residential driveways how many of those

4734
02:55:51,120 --> 02:55:56,319
have been there should be some document

4735
02:55:53,279 --> 02:55:57,920
otherwise it didn't occur because

4736
02:55:56,319 --> 02:55:59,920
everything's based on evidence we have

4737
02:55:57,920 --> 02:56:01,760
to base it on evidence government has

4738
02:55:59,920 --> 02:56:03,040
good intentions but without evidence you

4739
02:56:01,760 --> 02:56:04,720
can't prove

4740
02:56:03,040 --> 02:56:06,479
What engineering studies have been done

4741
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:08,319
showing that private driveways need

4742
02:56:06,479 --> 02:56:10,000
regulating?

4743
02:56:08,319 --> 02:56:12,080
What public safety benefit will be

4744
02:56:10,000 --> 02:56:13,760
achieved by continuing or expanding

4745
02:56:12,080 --> 02:56:16,319
these restrictions onto private

4746
02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:19,120
property?

4747
02:56:16,319 --> 02:56:20,960
And why can't documented hazards be

4748
02:56:19,120 --> 02:56:23,439
addressed individually instead of a

4749
02:56:20,960 --> 02:56:25,600
blanket for everybody? So ask yourself

4750
02:56:23,439 --> 02:56:29,120
those questions, answer those questions

4751
02:56:25,600 --> 02:56:31,439
and include any of the engineer studies

4752
02:56:29,120 --> 02:56:33,520
um

4753
02:56:31,439 --> 02:56:35,439
uh any of the engineer studies or any of

4754
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:37,520
the problems in the actual packet so

4755
02:56:35,439 --> 02:56:39,439
that the council has all that

4756
02:56:37,520 --> 02:56:41,760
information. Thanks.

4757
02:56:39,439 --> 02:56:44,160
» Thank you.

4758
02:56:41,760 --> 02:56:47,760
» Gee, she was quick.

4759
02:56:44,160 --> 02:56:51,200
So So hopefully that was clear as mud.

4760
02:56:47,760 --> 02:56:54,479
Zack, Zach, welcome to our circus. Um,

4761
02:56:51,200 --> 02:56:58,080
and uh, anybody have any closing

4762
02:56:54,479 --> 02:57:00,960
comments for staff?

4763
02:56:58,080 --> 02:57:04,000
» I'd like to say I like that seems like

4764
02:57:00,960 --> 02:57:05,680
for the most part the last two things,

4765
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:07,439
everything we said was regurgitated to

4766
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:08,319
us. So, it sounds like we're

4767
02:57:07,439 --> 02:57:10,000
» We're being heard.

4768
02:57:08,319 --> 02:57:12,720
» We're being heard, that we're on par

4769
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:15,359
with what's going with feeling is coming

4770
02:57:12,720 --> 02:57:17,760
from there. So, um, yeah. No, it's it's

4771
02:57:15,359 --> 02:57:19,520
exciting to see that, you know, things

4772
02:57:17,760 --> 02:57:21,439
are, you know, Yeah. It's not just we're

4773
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:23,040
up here saying what we're saying and

4774
02:57:21,439 --> 02:57:24,640
nobody's realizing it. So, thank you

4775
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:25,359
ladies for being here tonight.

4776
02:57:24,640 --> 02:57:27,200
» Yes. Thank you.

4777
02:57:25,359 --> 02:57:28,399
» Appreciate it.

4778
02:57:27,200 --> 02:57:30,319
» I was going to say same thing. Thank you

4779
02:57:28,399 --> 02:57:32,240
for everybody just for your comments.

4780
02:57:30,319 --> 02:57:34,160
» All right, Vice Mayor Sud.

4781
02:57:32,240 --> 02:57:35,920
» Yes, thank you all. We appreciate it.

4782
02:57:34,160 --> 02:57:38,240
Appreciate the residents who are staying

4783
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:40,640
late and uh giving us all these uh

4784
02:57:38,240 --> 02:57:43,279
valuable inputs. Thank you. Bye-bye.

4785
02:57:40,640 --> 02:57:45,040
» Yes. Thank you. Um I I just have two

4786
02:57:43,279 --> 02:57:46,880
little requests. I know they're probably

4787
02:57:45,040 --> 02:57:50,160
not little, but can we get the strategic

4788
02:57:46,880 --> 02:57:52,880
plan on our first October agenda? Um I I

4789
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:56,880
had shared some documentation of of what

4790
02:57:52,880 --> 02:57:58,399
I compiled and um I I I think that's

4791
02:57:56,880 --> 02:58:00,479
going to be very important as we go

4792
02:57:58,399 --> 02:58:01,840
forward with some of our financial stuff

4793
02:58:00,479 --> 02:58:04,240
and and some of the other things we've

4794
02:58:01,840 --> 02:58:06,000
talked about tonight and uh council

4795
02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:08,399
rules as soon as possible council

4796
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:09,760
policy. I know staff had talked to me

4797
02:58:08,399 --> 02:58:11,920
about it, you know, getting back in

4798
02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:13,439
front of us again. So that would be it.

4799
02:58:11,920 --> 02:58:15,120
Thank you staff for coming. Thank you

4800
02:58:13,439 --> 02:58:17,680
everybody. Do I have a motion to

4801
02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:20,680
adjurnn?

4802
02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:20,680
» Counc.

4803
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:22,720
» All those in favor?

4804
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:24,000
» I

4805
02:58:22,720 --> 02:58:24,319
» I

4806
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:27,120
» I

4807
02:58:24,319 --> 02:58:31,479
» Opposed. Hearing none. Motion passes 4

4808
02:58:27,120 --> 02:58:31,479
zero. Thank you.