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Deep leaf Town, brother? I haven't seen him a long

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It's four o'clock. Let's start our meeting. Roll call, please,

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Jamie. Council Member Saluser is absent, Councilmember Wentworth. Here. Mayor

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Pro Tem Truax? Here. Mayor Rice. Here, all right. And

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John Stewart is going to lead us in the Pledge

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of Allegiance tonight. And to the Republic, for which

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it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice crowd. Thank you. Okay, it's time for public comment.

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If any member of the public has a comment for

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anything that's not on the agenda, please come up to

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the podium, or if you're online, please raise your hand

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and Zoom, and we'll get to you. Welcome. Aramanna and

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City Council members, and I notified clerk before. My name

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is Philip Batonkhart. We are longtime seasonal. Visitors this year

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in Snow Creek 5. From our home in La Quinta,

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where it is 105 degrees right now. I wanted to

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extend the remarks that I also presented to the tourist

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board earlier today and put in two salutes. One to

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the limelight, where we had the privilege of staying for

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three days to prepare ourselves for the wine walk, if

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you will. It's an extraordinary property. We also had an

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opportunity to tour this ski club. And of course, the

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few remaining luxury homes, if you will, I think maybe

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the food service is still a work in progress, but

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the buffet breakfast is extraordinary. We enjoyed every minute of

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it. Secondly, for the wine walk, we want to salute.

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Tom, thistle, and the volunteers and their team in the

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small world department, Tom's father and I are actually officemates

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in Newport Beach. And we were thrilled to hear that

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he has come to Mammoth Lakes. He and his wife.

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They are great community assets. We thought the wine walk

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was absolutely the best management of volunteers. The participation was

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just extraordinary. And I think you are very fortunate to

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have them as distinguished representatives of the Mammoth Mountain Community

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Foundation, and we want to salute everyone who participated Saturday.

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And who knew that shots bakery had a wine of

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their own with grapes in Bishop? Of course, we had

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device of at the end of the day. Thank you,

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Madam Mayor. Thank you so much. And I'm glad to

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see that Tom Bissell's walking well again. All right. Any

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other public comments from anyone in the room? Hi Kevin,

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how are you doing? Hi, good evening, Mayor, members of

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the Council. I'm Kevin Leanne with Mona County Office of

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Education. And I'm here today to extend an invitation to

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our Mammoth Husky's Mural Celebration. It's taking place next Tuesday

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at Mammoth High School at 5 p. m. This was

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a collaboration led by Mona County Office of Education in

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partnership with the school district. We're here to celebrate the

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new mural. I'm sure you all have seen it. I'll

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leave some copies down here for you in the public.

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Thank you so much. I saw it's beautiful and I

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think it's going to stay on there really well because

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it's in the shade. It's great. Awesome. Yeah. And we've

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also got the Mammoth High Schools Culinary Arts Program serving

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the refreshments as well as some music from the music

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program, from our student musicians. So it should be a

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lot of fun. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Okay, thank

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you. Hi, Brianna. Hello. Good afternoon, Council. Brionic Waco, Mammoth

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Lakes Chamber of Commerce. Just wanted to highlight a few

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things coming up in the business. And outside of the

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business world, we'll be doing a ribbon cutting for new

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business grooms by Axel. It's a mobile dog grooming business

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on national dog day. Uh, which is Wednesday 20, sorry,

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Wednesday, August 26th. We'll be over at the dog park

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from four to five if you're able to join us.

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to celebrate a new business in town. So bring your

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four - legged friends and come join us. Um, next

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item Community Coffee this month will be on Thursday, August

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27th. As always, 8. 30, 9. 30 on Zoom, and,

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uh, this month's topic will be featured on, um, wildfires

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activity out there. So it'll be nice to have an

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update from white Bark Institute, uh, Mammoth Lakes fire protection

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district in Cal Fire. So join us for that Thursday,

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August 27th, 8 30 on Zoom and our coffee shop

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this month is Looney Bean. Um, speaking of the culinary

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program at the high school, they're doing really great things

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over there with Stacey Schlekto leading the students there. Uh,

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Wednesday, September 9th over at the school. So, um, our

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local restaurant tourists can see what's going on locally to

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prepare youth hopefully for careers in food and beverage. So,

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uh, we'll have that on Wednesday, September 9th, 3. 30

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then. Sorry, um, and then we will be hosting a

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candidate forum. Um, on September 29th. So I've been in

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touch with all eight. I think that's correct. Eight candidates

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that are writing for the three seats, um, for Town

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what also has some time for the participants to just

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just a little less formal, um, more casual setting for

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people just to get to know who is running for

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council. Uh, so that'll be at burgers Tuesday, September 29th,

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noon to 1 30 p. m. Anyone from the community

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is welcome to join us. Um, this is part of

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our new at the table lunch series that we're doing

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and really just trying to facilitate more conversation amongst the

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community. Uh, and then lastly our, um, nominations are open

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for our 10th annual business excellence wards. So that'll be

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open through the end of the month. So anyone in

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the community can nominate any business, any person, um, that

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they feel has gone above and beyond, um, in our

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eight various categories. You can just go to our website,

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uh, mammothlakeschamber. org for that. And we would love to

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hear from lots of different parts of our community on

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that. And, uh, last thing I don't know if I

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mentioned here, but the business guide is final. Um, so

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we're working on getting that up on our website and

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we've already started talking to, uh, some different perspective businesses,

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current businesses expanding businesses about the business guide and really

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hope that can serve as a resource, uh, for them

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for both, um, the chamber, town and the county to

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use. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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Uh, good evening. Madam Mayor Council, Tom Hodges. I'm here

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before you deceive need in my role as the president

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of the board of Eastern Sierra Committee Housing. And it's

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my sincere pleasure this evening to introduce you to our

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new Executive Director, John Stewart, who all let step up

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to the Bodium here in a minute. But, um, I

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just want to acknowledge our, you know, recent actions of

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Eastern Circuit Community Housing that, you know, we, as you

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guys are all well aware, are longtime Executive Director stepped

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away to accept a position with Montal County Patricia Robertson

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after 13 years of service. The organization. And we wish

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we're very well in her new role there with Moto

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County. That was back in March. And we, uh, in

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the process of recruiting a new Executive Director, we hired

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an interim executive director that I think some of you

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may have met. I know staff interacted with Dean Toppman,

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who was a really well qualified individual with a lot

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of background and workforce affordable housing. And it was fantastic

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to have him sort of fill the gap. And assist

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us with recruiting a new Executive Director. And I just

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wanted to mention that we did go through a pretty

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extensive process. We had the position advertised and solicited and

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received about over 200 applications. Near the field down and

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went through other interview processes and settled on John. So,

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um, and I just mentioned, you know, some of the

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reasons we selected John for the role is really, you

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know, really exemplary past work history as a leader of

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other nonprofit organizations. And specifically John worked for two fairly

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large, fairly guaranteed nonprofit healthcare organizations, both in Virginia and

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in Kansas, uh, were organizations that had, you know, in

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excess of 100 employees and budgets and excess of 10

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million dollars involved a lot of interaction with federal agencies

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and funding and so forth and the communities that they

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were serving. And that really stuck out to us is

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something that we were looking for in the role of

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our new leader for our organization. It's just somebody with

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that real solid leadership experience. Um, John also, and I

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don't want to steal all of us thunder, but he's

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got, uh, personal connections here in Mammoth specifically with his

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family. And I'll let him mention that maybe to you

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guys. And then I also wanted to mention just of

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interest. John probably wouldn't tell you this. But he's a

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University of Kansas graduate. Actually as a graduate degree in

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architecture, which also we thought was very appealing to us

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in our organization, you know, as we do some development

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work. And then also of note, he was a Division

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I college football player for university of Kansas. And defensive

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end? Defensive end. So yeah, so I always know to

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keep my conversations level with John. So with that, I'll

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let John introduce myself here. Thank you, Tom. Thanks Tom.

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Mayor Council members. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good evening. I

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appreciate the opportunity to introduce myself. Um, and more importantly,

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to begin working with you all, uh, whether in this

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official capacity or elsewhere in the community, as Tom said,

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my name is John Stewart. I just joined Eastern Sierra

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Community Housing as the Executive Director. And this is particularly

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meaningful for me. I've spent a lot of my career

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in mission driven organizations. And my connection to the Eastern

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Sierra's personal is Tom said. My three adult kids are

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settling here and sitting down roots. And I've spent enough

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time here in this community to know that Mammoth is

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a remarkable place. As I know you all know, um,

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and that it's also incredibly challenging to build a life

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here. Um, housing is obviously at the center of that.

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head. I believe it's, uh, matter, a measure of our

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success will be whether the teacher, the restaurant worker, the

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young family and people who keep this community running can

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actually imagine a future here. I still very much, uh,

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am in listening mode. I'm getting to know our staff,

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our board. I'm understanding our properties still, uh, our programs.

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beginning conversations with community partners. But one thing's already really

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clear to me. There's no single entity that's going to

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solve this alone. This is going to be collaborative. I've

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also learned over many years of leading community organization that

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partnership has to be earned. And I feel strongly that

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you earn it by doing what you said you do

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by bringing bad news early. And by bringing solutions when

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you bring problems. And that's the kind of partner I

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want ESCH to become. At the same time, I like

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all of us to think ambitiously about what ESCH can

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become and what role we should be playing and helping

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the people of this community, not just find housing, but

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put down roots. I know the composition of this council

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would be changing over the next several months, which makes

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this especially important time for me to listen, for me

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to learn from those who've been doing this work for

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a while. Um, and I hope you'll give me the

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opportunity to sit down individually with each of you and

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to understand what you've learned. And help me understand what

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I need to know to make ESCH more successful. And

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ultimately to make this a better community. So I think

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our success, as I said, will be measured by how

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many, not just by how many people we help house.

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So I'll look forward to working with you and I

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want to thank. You. Thank you so much. Any other

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comments from public comments from anyone in the room. Anyone

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online, Jamie. No. Okay. Uh, we will move on to

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item four additions to the agenda. Robert, any additions. Madam

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item 7. 1 for a future meeting. And that would

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be the presentation from Eastern Sierra Community Foundation. Um, they

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will be prepared for meeting in September. Okay. Thank you

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so much. So we are on to item five introductions

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5. 1, introduce new arts and culture manager David Barron.

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Evening, Madam Ehrpretend, members of Council. Star Community, big night

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tonight. We're welcoming lots of people to our community. So

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I'm going to be as brief as I can. I'm

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missing a contact line. So I have to bear with

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me too, right? So anyway, so that's my privilege today

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to introduce David Barron to you. Yeah. Uh, and the

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community, uh, as I knew what's in culture manager for

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the new Dave and Roman were quiets in cultural centre.

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We're all very excited. Um, David brings an exceptional blend

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of leadership, strategic insight and experience in theater, media to

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this position. And we are immensely excited to welcome David.

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In this new role. Um, little bit of background. David

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Holter degree in theatre from Yale University. He'll talk a

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little bit more about kind of that. Uh, with focus

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coursework and theater management. Through the Yale School of Drama.

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His early career included production and theatre management roles. With

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institutions such as the Manhattan Theatre Club and the Mabu

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Mines. Maboo. Got that right? Uh, he also co -

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founded and managed the sacred fools theater in Los Angeles,

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which is a company that continues to thrive to this

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day. Uh, David also has a long career at the

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end. Also had a long career, not saying it's okay.

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Always time. Always had a long career at the end

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section of Meteor and Technology, highlighted by a 14 year

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career as a founding Executive at Hulu, as well as

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roles at Microsoft Paramount Fox and Disney. After three decade

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hiatus from performing, David returned to the stage this past

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year. Oh, appearing as bully in driving, Miss Daisy, the

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Mammoth Lakes Repertory Theatre. I'm going fast as I can.

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And more recently taking on the Title Roll as King

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Lir, if you saw that up at the Little Eagle

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lodge outdoors, which was amazing. Um, David is married to

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Chris. Yay. Previous mayor and have been full - time

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residents for over five years. And homeowners here since for

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20. They have two kids, Sam and Ellie, both of

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whom were on the Man Mosquito team and enjoyed Manless

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Summer Camps. Of course I did, thank you. Coached by

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Stu. I know, right? Uh, and heights in there backcountry.

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Um, apparently you've got a crazy dog called Linus, which

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I think we've all met. Some of you have that.

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Yep. Uh, and two senior cats, both are rescues. So

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the opening of the, uh, new 259 seat theater, um,

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marks one of the most exciting developments as we are

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known Mammoth Lake's short history. 40 years and young. Getting

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from here to opening days, we know we're required deliberate

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planning. Thoughtful strategic investment, uh, and tremendous community engagement collaboration

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with our many arts and culture organizations. David's major responsibilities.

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We didn't touch on these. We'll be back in a

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couple of weeks with more detail. Uh, in the coming

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months include coordinating with public works and Amy and that

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team and Hayes on the construction of the facility, if

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you saw some of the photos today, we share those.

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And the plan technical capabilities of the theater space. David

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will also be hiring and training our technical and operational

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team and staff developing a robust two year performance calendar.

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So we're really looking at building out next year's and

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the following year's calendar, uh, the next, you know, a

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few months. Uh, we'll also be launching a new website.

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So it'll be kind of standalone to the Town Civic

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Plus site, right? It's got its own look brand feel.

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So we're excited about that. Um, also established a strong

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social media presence and building a dynamic community engagement and

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region wide outreach plan. Right. We've got a great new

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shiny object. Let's tour the world. Um, one of the

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other items that we're working on, which is kind of

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a standalone system, um, that's, well, yet standalone to dash

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in our day smart system, uh, will be kind of

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a new ticketing system. Right. So performing arts has a

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very narrow specific, um, kind of field based on ticketing.

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It has to do a range of, um, a functionality

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such as subscriptions, have to assign seating, right? Uh, we

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want to scan out many members and ticket holders into

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the facility. Needs to manage donations, manage box office operations.

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So we're going to be digging into selecting a ticketing

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system over the next few months as well. So lots

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do. So we're very excited about that. But all of

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these really leads us into kind of building and excitement.

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And really that momentum, right, that we've been building for

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the last kind of decade and beyond, uh, as we

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move closer to opening the doors of our brand new

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performing art centre. And when I say our, it's really

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ours in the community. So we're really excited about that.

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Uh, that's enough of me. Like I said, it's a

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privilege and honor to welcome David just to the microphone

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if you want to say a few words. It'd be

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wonderful. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. Mayor Rice Council

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members friends. First, I really want to thank all of

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you and Rob and Stu for this opportunity. This is

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a huge opportunity to expand on the great creative work

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that already occurs every day in this town. And really

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create a truly wonderful and unique culture of the fine

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and performing arts in the town of Mammoth Lakes anchored

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by the new Dave and Roman McCoy Arts and Cultural

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Center. And I'm really honored to have a chance to

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shepherd this project forward. I would also be remiss if

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I did not thank Chris for helping facilitate this job.

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Um, and, uh, thank you for coming today. Um, I

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look forward to coming back to, uh, in a couple

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weeks, uh, with an updated roadmap of what we need

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to accomplish over the next few months and the next

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year as we get to opening day for the new

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theater. We're going to continue to update you on our

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progress on a pretty regular basis and bring to fruition

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what I know has been a very long process in

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getting a performing art center built and operating in this

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town. Uh, in the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach

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out if you have any pressing questions or things that

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we need to address. And I really look forward to

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working with all of you as we get to opening

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night. And thank you again. Thank you.

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Again, you should kind of cost him. Thank you. I'll

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come. Yeah. We can't eat dance. Okay. We

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are on to item six reports from commissions and or

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departments as needed. Stu, are you coming back up here?

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Reports from commissions and or departments as needed. Don't encourage

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him, please.

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So. Any opportunity. To speak and promote a wonderful world

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of park recreation. Um, so I just did want to

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highlight that the, uh, future park amenity survey is now

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live. So hopefully everyone's had a chance that participating kind

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of sharing their voice about kind of what they would

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like to see at the Billshack parcel is a future

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park. And then the opportunities that we have for expanding

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wet more recreation area. So please jump on and do

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that. I do want to say also that the clock

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is ticking on opportunities to play at the Mammoth Rect

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Zone. Uh, that'll close August 30th. August 30th. Coming up

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fast. Yep. Um, we are going to start pulling some

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of that sports tile, the two volleyball courts. We're going

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to move one of those volleyball courts over to the

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school that they would use for their, um, invitational volleyball

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tournament. I think it's over Labor Day weekend. And then

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we'll be, um, simultaneously making ice. So we hope to

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have ice. By mid - September. And again, our opening

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for the public is October 1st. Uh, the Whitmore Pool

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is also scheduled to, um, close for open swim and

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kind of public recreation swim also on August 30th. That

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is that Sunday, last Sunday in August. And it'll stay

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open for the next couple of weeks for lap swim

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through September 11th. So that's how that looks through there.

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Um, and I think that's kind of all they had

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on that world unless you think that there's anything else.

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So my camp's finished, which is very exciting. Um, and

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we will be introducing hopefully in our next Council meeting,

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uh, on September 2nd our four program of enrichment and

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after school. Activities. Wonderful. Um, do you plan to offer

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some availability for like Tuesdays for parents who have a

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hard time picking up their kids early for early release

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days? Or do we, is that in our, in the

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works also? Good. Great. We'll pass that on. Fabulous. Yes.

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Any questions for Stu? Uh, where can we find the

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link to that survey? Is that something you can, someone

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could send you. Appreciate that. So, um, that link is

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available through our social media content. It's also available on

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the Town's website under parks and recreation. People can just

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click on packs and recreation master plan. They'll take them

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straight through that website. Okay. So if you want to

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find the pox recreation, mask the plan, Google jump on

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the Google tool. It'll take you straight to that website

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and click on the survey. It's in both English and

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Spanish. And, uh, so far we've received, I think over

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120 responses. So, um. We're very fortunate and grateful. The

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community's kind of weighing in. And then we'll be, I

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think, coming back, um, with our consultants later in September

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for some more community engagement. So I'll talk about that.

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In the next meeting. But thank you for the opportunity.

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Fabulous. Thank you so much. Any other reports from departments.

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No. Um, Mayor Rice, I'd like to just make a

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couple of comments about the hiring process for which David

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was selected because that's fairly, it was fairly significant and

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robust in that. And I want to thank all the

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people that participated in that process. Obviously we were thrilled

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with the outcome of landing on David as a selected

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status. But we did have a robust interest in that

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role. Um, we had, you know, I think more than

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60 people that originally applied for the role. Uh, had

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several different processes by which we interviewed folks for that

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role. Um, and, you know, the first one being a

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staff sort of narrowing that down, uh, and the staff

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went through, I think 16 different interviews, narrowed that down

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to the three that I then interviewed with Stu and

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a consultant, uh, and then we decided after that interview

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process, um, members of the community also involved in that

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selection process. So, um, the, through the three processes by

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which, um, making a decision on that, uh, it was

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overwhelming support for David in that role. Then I had

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the unfortunate role of contacting Chris and saying, uh, well,

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Chris, we want to select your husband for this role.

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So, uh, you'll have to vacate your position with council.

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So I want to clarify a little bit of that

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and just let folks know that's the process by which

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we went through and that decision. And it was, it

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was a really well thought out one. It was a

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long and delicate process that we had to work through.

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And I just want to appreciate the HR team Stu

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and everyone else for getting through that effectively. So. Thank

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you. Thank you. And I mean, I guess his comment

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of Chris facilitating his position is her putting her political

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career on hold. Cause I, when you first said that,

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David, I was like, what does he mean by that?

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And then I was like, yes. But yeah, you have

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a very supportive wife who's putting your career in front

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of her political ambitions at the moment. So it's wonderful

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partnership. Thank you. Okay. Um, okay. So we have item

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6. 1 town of Mammoth Lake Social Media Report for

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July 2026. This is just a written report. Any questions

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on that? No, that's correct. Okay. Item 6. 2 August,

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2026 public works engineering CIP update. That's a written report

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as well. Are there any questions? Are there any public

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comments on these two items. No one online either? No.

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Okay. Uh, so we are on to item eight staff

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presentations 8. 1 informational presentation on mobile home park regulations

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in California. Thank you. I am, uh, I'm not in

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the broom. As you can see. I'm on vacation in

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Alaska with Nolan. Um, and with Mr. Rudon, who's there

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on your screen, uh, looking very professional wearing a tie.

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I don't think I own a tie anymore. But surgiate

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does. Um, and this is a really complicated issue as

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we've previously indicated to the Council weather and how to

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regulate mobile Home Park rents. It's very, very complex. And

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so we thought that the best thing to do would

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be to bring in, uh, Sergio, um, a partner at

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my former firm who has extensive experience in crafting and

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administering mobile home park rent control ordinances and is very,

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very familiar with kind of how this works statewide, um,

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has been part of some ordinances and, uh, and he

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has helped us come to a better understanding of, of

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the issues involved. And we're going to ask him to

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present this item to the council. Yeah. Thank you for

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the introduction, Andy. Um, yeah, Sergio Ruden, partner at Best

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Best in Krieger. I also serve as a city attorney

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to Sausalito and interim city attorney for South Lake Tahoe

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right now. Um, you know, for reference, I primarily do,

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uh, land use zoning and building regulations of special counsel

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for various public entities, um, and I have, uh, advised,

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uh, various public agencies on mobile home park. Rent control

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issues, including advising, uh, boards of appeal for, um, mobile

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Home Park, uh, rent regulations. Um, so I'm going to

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share my screen, um, and hopefully we can get started

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on the presentation here. Can you guys see that? Okay.

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Not quite. It hasn't loaded yet. Okay. There we can

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see it now. All right. Let's start this slide. So

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00:32:10,338 --> 00:32:12,877
we're here to talk about mobile Home Park Regulation and

471
00:32:12,917 --> 00:32:19,732
rent control. The regulatory framework is multilayered. There's a lot

472
00:32:19,732 --> 00:32:23,117
of state law on the subject. When it comes to

473
00:32:23,378 --> 00:32:27,117
opening and operating a mobile home park, um, the state

474
00:32:27,138 --> 00:32:32,815
mobile home parks act and HCDs implementing regulations. Uh, comprehensively

475
00:32:32,836 --> 00:32:37,455
govern all construction issues related to mobile home parks, their

476
00:32:37,455 --> 00:32:42,495
use, their maintenance, occupancy, permits, utilities, the layout of parks,

477
00:32:42,756 --> 00:32:47,215
lot lines, inspections and health and safety enforcement. Importantly, local

478
00:32:47,396 --> 00:32:50,335
agencies cannot do any of those things or regulate those

479
00:32:50,356 --> 00:32:55,055
things unless HCD provides approval for the local agency to

480
00:32:55,095 --> 00:32:59,891
become the local enforcement authority. Um, and so there is

481
00:32:59,912 --> 00:33:04,103
state law. On how, uh, that happens, uh, but you

482
00:33:04,103 --> 00:33:08,922
do have to petition and seek approval from HCD. When

483
00:33:08,922 --> 00:33:14,602
it comes to regulating occupancy and the relationship between landlord

484
00:33:14,623 --> 00:33:18,602
and tenant, um, the mobile home residency law sets a

485
00:33:18,642 --> 00:33:23,402
lot of regulations for what must be in rental agreements.

486
00:33:24,262 --> 00:33:26,881
Um, how a landlord is supposed to give notice of

487
00:33:26,902 --> 00:33:32,436
rent increases. Fees that can be imposed by a landlord.

488
00:33:33,421 --> 00:33:37,800
Process regarding sale of mobile home parks, um, protections for

489
00:33:37,821 --> 00:33:44,120
tenancies and termination for, um, uh, tenants, uh, and additionally

490
00:33:44,541 --> 00:33:48,760
a process by which a, uh, that a landlord must

491
00:33:48,781 --> 00:33:51,560
follow to change any of the park rules. Um, and

492
00:33:51,821 --> 00:33:55,800
additionally to convert park uses. So if you have a

493
00:33:56,061 --> 00:34:00,200
park that's dedicated to seniors specifically, um, there's a process

494
00:34:00,301 --> 00:34:02,680
by which the landlord must follow before they can change

495
00:34:03,821 --> 00:34:07,787
that done all ages park. Um, so what's the city's

496
00:34:07,808 --> 00:34:11,147
roll? Uh, the city still has its land use role.

497
00:34:11,147 --> 00:34:13,287
So it can zone for where mobile Home Parks can

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00:34:13,287 --> 00:34:16,267
go. It does retain some police powers, but for the

499
00:34:16,267 --> 00:34:19,387
most part, a lot of those R preempted by state

500
00:34:19,427 --> 00:34:22,907
law. Um, the key one that the city does retain

501
00:34:23,008 --> 00:34:27,947
is control over, uh, rents. Uh, so you can adopt

502
00:34:28,528 --> 00:34:32,587
local rank control. There are certain prohibitions in state law

503
00:34:32,848 --> 00:34:36,827
and carve outs, including, uh, you can't subject new parks

504
00:34:36,867 --> 00:34:40,507
and new spaces to rent control. Um, and additionally you

505
00:34:40,507 --> 00:34:47,707
have to abide by constitutional protections, um, for landowners in

506
00:34:47,707 --> 00:34:52,507
terms of not having your rent control regulations. So burdensome

507
00:34:52,688 --> 00:34:56,187
or so confiscatory that the property owner doesn't get a

508
00:34:56,227 --> 00:35:01,284
fair rate of return. Um, so again, the sort of

509
00:35:01,425 --> 00:35:09,484
rules and responsibilities, um, you know, HCD is responsible absent.

510
00:35:09,484 --> 00:35:12,764
The city or the town and assuming enforcement authority and

511
00:35:12,764 --> 00:35:15,884
getting their approval, uh, it's responsible for all of the

512
00:35:16,225 --> 00:35:20,204
health and safety code provisions, uh, regulation of common area,

513
00:35:20,305 --> 00:35:26,024
utilities, inspections, uh, permits for construction, registration of homes. And

514
00:35:26,065 --> 00:35:28,924
it also has a complaint program, uh, with regards to

515
00:35:28,964 --> 00:35:32,124
all of those issues. Uh, additionally, there is private rights

516
00:35:32,145 --> 00:35:37,004
of enforcement, uh, by tenants. So, um, for violating any

517
00:35:37,044 --> 00:35:47,000
of the state law standards. Importantly, uh, there is current

518
00:35:47,101 --> 00:35:52,075
legislation at the state level. A B1128 would create a

519
00:35:52,496 --> 00:35:56,935
statewide rent cap beginning in 2027 if it passes. Um,

520
00:35:57,296 --> 00:36:03,195
additionally there is a, uh, exemption among various other exemptions

521
00:36:03,776 --> 00:36:07,035
from local rent control. If a space is not used

522
00:36:07,075 --> 00:36:11,195
as a principal residence, uh, AB 768 is currently in

523
00:36:11,195 --> 00:36:14,715
process, which would narrow that exemption and create a presumption

524
00:36:14,896 --> 00:36:23,976
that, uh, spaces used as a principle residence. So again,

525
00:36:24,317 --> 00:36:29,449
uh, just this is an outline of. The kind of

526
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:35,882
roles that, uh, HTTP plays versus, versus the city. Importantly,

527
00:36:35,983 --> 00:36:40,442
local code enforcement can't treat any state regulated park conditions

528
00:36:40,783 --> 00:36:44,762
as ordinary municipal code violations. And those things do need

529
00:36:44,762 --> 00:36:49,297
to be referred to HCD for enforcement. Um, unless the

530
00:36:49,297 --> 00:36:52,657
city gets, uh, approval to become a local enforcement agency.

531
00:36:53,958 --> 00:36:59,537
So, uh, why are we here discussing this? Uh, I'm,

532
00:36:59,577 --> 00:37:02,497
I'm aware and Andy has end staff have made me

533
00:37:02,537 --> 00:37:05,537
aware that the town council has received a number of

534
00:37:05,577 --> 00:37:08,337
complaints, uh, regarding one of the mobile home parks in

535
00:37:08,377 --> 00:37:13,617
town. Uh, owner of the park provided a response to

536
00:37:13,657 --> 00:37:17,788
the council as well. Um, there are a lot of

537
00:37:17,789 --> 00:37:22,548
concerns over rent increases, um, they're also concerns about, uh,

538
00:37:22,589 --> 00:37:28,168
what's in rental agreements, uh, the concerns about, um, snow

539
00:37:28,208 --> 00:37:33,208
removal condition of pavement, lighting trees retaining walls, fences and,

540
00:37:33,208 --> 00:37:38,644
you know, maintenance issues. At present, uh, for a lot

541
00:37:38,644 --> 00:37:41,864
of those issues. The town doesn't really have jurisdiction to

542
00:37:41,885 --> 00:37:47,418
address them. Um. However, the town can't take action on

543
00:37:47,458 --> 00:37:54,543
some of the, uh, rent issues. As will outline, uh,

544
00:37:54,543 --> 00:38:00,342
in this presentation. Uh, so again, HCD is going to

545
00:38:00,342 --> 00:38:03,582
be responsible for dealing with, uh, the kinds of complaints

546
00:38:03,622 --> 00:38:07,502
that have been raised related to roads, common areas, snow,

547
00:38:07,502 --> 00:38:12,062
tree retaining walls, um, with regards to concerns about lease

548
00:38:12,062 --> 00:38:18,589
terms. Those can be raised to HCD. Additionally, landlord tenant

549
00:38:18,629 --> 00:38:20,909
law and civil court is going to be the appropriate

550
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:24,589
place to resolve a lot of those issues, uh, there

551
00:38:24,589 --> 00:38:30,537
are disputes between, uh, the tenant and the landowner. Annual

552
00:38:30,537 --> 00:38:33,497
increases in terms of space rent, uh, can be subject

553
00:38:33,518 --> 00:38:39,017
town rent control subject to complying with the exceptions and

554
00:38:39,057 --> 00:38:43,017
state law. Um, the main exception is obviously new construction,

555
00:38:43,017 --> 00:38:45,817
which isn't going to apply to the parks in Mammoth

556
00:38:45,857 --> 00:38:55,133
Lakes. All right. So importantly, there is

557
00:38:55,874 --> 00:39:01,213
pending state law, as I mentioned previously, um, AB 1128

558
00:39:01,314 --> 00:39:04,013
would impose a statewide rent control cap, which would be

559
00:39:04,013 --> 00:39:11,773
the lower of, uh, So this is more restrictive than,

560
00:39:11,773 --> 00:39:15,533
uh, what's in place for cost of Hawkins. Um, this,

561
00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:19,613
uh, legislation is based on an existing statute, which currently

562
00:39:19,714 --> 00:39:24,553
applies only in mobile home parks that are in, uh,

563
00:39:24,754 --> 00:39:27,933
two or more jurisdictions, uh, so basically the state decided

564
00:39:27,954 --> 00:39:31,693
that, uh, for those parks, that statewide rent control would

565
00:39:31,794 --> 00:39:38,173
control. Um, importantly, there was, uh, litigation over that statute,

566
00:39:38,173 --> 00:39:41,773
uh, it remains pending. And so that may be a

567
00:39:41,773 --> 00:39:47,533
consideration for the legislature. Um, but, uh, from all indications,

568
00:39:47,533 --> 00:39:51,933
this is proceeding towards adoption. And, um, we'll have more

569
00:39:52,034 --> 00:39:54,653
information as to whether or not it passes the Senate.

570
00:39:57,799 --> 00:40:02,238
Anticipated in the next couple of weeks. Um, importantly, uh,

571
00:40:02,439 --> 00:40:05,698
stricter local rent control limits would remain in effective if

572
00:40:05,738 --> 00:40:08,018
this bill passes, uh, but I'm not aware of too

573
00:40:08,018 --> 00:40:12,178
many jurisdictions that have, uh, more restrictive rent control than

574
00:40:12,279 --> 00:40:18,196
this five percent plus CPI cap. Um. Again, as I

575
00:40:18,196 --> 00:40:21,796
mentioned earlier, AB 768 would revise one of the exemptions

576
00:40:22,057 --> 00:40:25,236
and create a rebuttable presumption favor of the tenants that

577
00:40:25,497 --> 00:40:32,432
have spaces used as permanent housing. Importantly given the amount

578
00:40:32,432 --> 00:40:37,152
of time that it does take, uh, to, um, draft

579
00:40:37,893 --> 00:40:40,552
and adopt a local ordinance for rent control. There is

580
00:40:41,973 --> 00:40:46,272
a high likelihood that 1128, if it passes, uh, would

581
00:40:46,272 --> 00:40:48,712
pass before the town can prepare such an ordinance. So

582
00:40:48,712 --> 00:40:55,379
that is something to consider. Additionally, um, the state is

583
00:40:55,400 --> 00:41:00,819
working to provide more resources, um, nonprofit legal aid organizations

584
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:06,404
that are, um. In the business of representing mobile Home

585
00:41:06,425 --> 00:41:10,676
Park Tenant interests in litigation against park owners. Um, this

586
00:41:10,857 --> 00:41:13,876
pending bill would develop would require HCD to develop a

587
00:41:14,537 --> 00:41:19,476
process to distribute funds, uh, to these nonprofit legal services

588
00:41:20,057 --> 00:41:23,716
providers. And also it would require that the complaints that

589
00:41:23,716 --> 00:41:29,860
HD receive be referred to them for enforcement action. So

590
00:41:30,041 --> 00:41:35,460
without rank control, uh, what is, uh, what laws typically

591
00:41:35,481 --> 00:41:41,906
apply to both landlords and tenants and parks. State mobile

592
00:41:41,906 --> 00:41:45,106
home residency law regulates a substantial amount of the tenancy

593
00:41:45,207 --> 00:41:53,006
issues by, um, requiring specific terms and rental agreements, um,

594
00:41:53,047 --> 00:41:57,426
and which cannot be preempted by local ordnance. Um, these

595
00:41:57,527 --> 00:42:02,606
include disclosure requirements, provisions regarding, uh, rent increases and the

596
00:42:02,606 --> 00:42:06,066
timing of rent increases. So there are notice requirements which

597
00:42:06,087 --> 00:42:10,866
tenants have to comply with. The mobile home residence you

598
00:42:10,866 --> 00:42:13,506
law also creates the process by which park rules may

599
00:42:13,527 --> 00:42:19,166
be amended. It does provide for, um, some fees, uh,

600
00:42:19,607 --> 00:42:23,726
for HCD's complaint program, which are passed through tenants, two

601
00:42:23,726 --> 00:42:29,346
tenants already, uh, it does contain restrictions regarding sales, rentals

602
00:42:29,367 --> 00:42:32,066
and subleasing and provisions for that as well as restrictions

603
00:42:32,066 --> 00:42:37,426
on park management terminating tendencies only for, uh, specific statutory

604
00:42:37,466 --> 00:42:45,633
grounds. Um, and then again, it does create. HCD's protection

605
00:42:45,734 --> 00:42:49,473
program for tenons, uh, which is primarily complaint driven and

606
00:42:49,513 --> 00:42:56,600
complaint based. If the town does decide to go forward

607
00:42:56,701 --> 00:43:00,760
with, uh, rent control, uh, one of the key issues

608
00:43:00,861 --> 00:43:04,980
is that the any ordinance adopted by the town, uh,

609
00:43:05,101 --> 00:43:08,440
does have to provide for a fair rate of return.

610
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:13,720
And typically. Any ordinance needs to consider the landlords operating

611
00:43:13,821 --> 00:43:18,420
income and expenses, um, oftentimes they are based on, um,

612
00:43:19,581 --> 00:43:24,420
allowing CPI increase over time, uh, to ensure that, uh,

613
00:43:25,181 --> 00:43:28,520
a landlord's rate of return is preserved or at least

614
00:43:28,621 --> 00:43:31,240
not depleted to the point where they can no longer

615
00:43:31,421 --> 00:43:37,068
account for maintenance costs. Um, oftentimes ordinances are drafted considering

616
00:43:37,409 --> 00:43:45,923
comparable space rents and adjacent jurisdictions or JSON parks. Additionally,

617
00:43:45,923 --> 00:43:49,123
uh, any ordinance does need to provide for a mechanism

618
00:43:49,224 --> 00:43:53,423
to ensure that a landlord can take, uh, take, uh,

619
00:43:53,704 --> 00:43:58,320
undertake capital improvement, uh, for the park. And do rehabilitation

620
00:43:58,581 --> 00:44:02,080
if necessary. So this is typically to ensure that utilities

621
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:06,640
remain, um, you know, functional, um, address the commonary maintenance

622
00:44:06,661 --> 00:44:10,320
requirements, et cetera. Uh, and then of course, uh, any

623
00:44:10,421 --> 00:44:12,880
fair rate of return has to allow for the landlord

624
00:44:12,901 --> 00:44:19,440
to pay their taxes. Uh, utility costs, et cetera. And,

625
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,200
uh, oftentimes, uh, fair rate of return requirements do take

626
00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,400
into account service reductions by the landlord, uh, in terms

627
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:35,447
of, um, allowing for adjustments. Downwards. The most common methodologies

628
00:44:35,628 --> 00:44:39,847
in these ordinances, um, most of them are based on

629
00:44:40,028 --> 00:44:43,687
a maintenance of net operating income, meaning that if a

630
00:44:43,727 --> 00:44:47,427
landlord is getting a certain amount of operating income, uh,

631
00:44:47,708 --> 00:44:50,247
they are allowed to maintain that level, taking into account.

632
00:44:51,189 --> 00:44:56,048
Um, depreciation and things like, um, capital improvement requirements to

633
00:44:56,048 --> 00:44:59,568
make sure that the same standard of, uh, park operations

634
00:44:59,909 --> 00:45:02,528
is maintained. Uh, other ones are of course returning on

635
00:45:02,549 --> 00:45:09,932
cash investment and return on value. So a lot of,

636
00:45:09,932 --> 00:45:16,175
uh, ordinances are also, um. Drafted with an assumption that,

637
00:45:16,175 --> 00:45:24,366
uh, based on a, um. Base rent date. So the

638
00:45:24,387 --> 00:45:29,406
ordinance assumes that existing rent prior to rent control was

639
00:45:29,446 --> 00:45:31,006
a fair rate of return because it was sent by

640
00:45:31,046 --> 00:45:37,246
the landlord. And typically an ordinance will just allow that,

641
00:45:37,246 --> 00:45:40,446
uh, pick a date prior to the passage of rent

642
00:45:40,446 --> 00:45:42,286
control to be a base date. And then they will

643
00:45:42,326 --> 00:45:46,846
allow, um, you know, limited increases based on CPI or

644
00:45:46,886 --> 00:45:51,726
some sort of formula. Um, additionally, most of these ordinances

645
00:45:51,827 --> 00:45:56,286
include a petition mechanism for the landlord to petition for

646
00:45:57,827 --> 00:46:00,446
a different rent amount to be considered their base rent

647
00:46:00,707 --> 00:46:04,126
if for some reason their rent on the base rent

648
00:46:04,126 --> 00:46:12,467
date was undermarket and they can demonstrate that. One of

649
00:46:12,467 --> 00:46:15,987
the things that has resulted significantly in litigation is that

650
00:46:16,488 --> 00:46:21,167
you cannot typically adopt more Toriums that are indefinite. And

651
00:46:21,167 --> 00:46:24,867
we have seen this, uh, result in litigation during COVID

652
00:46:24,907 --> 00:46:31,597
over, um. More times adopted by public agencies. Um, because

653
00:46:31,637 --> 00:46:35,357
over time, while a temporary moratorium will not be illegal

654
00:46:35,538 --> 00:46:39,757
when adopted over time, it will eventually erode the opportunity

655
00:46:39,778 --> 00:46:42,837
for the property owner to obtain a fair rate of

656
00:46:42,837 --> 00:46:47,037
return that allows them to recoup their investments and pay

657
00:46:47,077 --> 00:46:52,211
for all of their operating costs. Um, so mobile home

658
00:46:52,312 --> 00:46:58,931
rent control ordinances are frequently the subject of challenge. They're

659
00:46:59,032 --> 00:47:04,611
probably more subject to litigation than, um, uh, rent control

660
00:47:04,632 --> 00:47:09,731
ordinances of other, of jurisdictions, uh, dealing with residential real

661
00:47:09,771 --> 00:47:14,751
property. There's a lot of cases law dealing with, um,

662
00:47:15,992 --> 00:47:20,851
uh, mobile home rent control ordinances. Um, typically public agencies

663
00:47:20,872 --> 00:47:25,191
are successful in defending these. A lot of the facial

664
00:47:25,212 --> 00:47:30,471
challenges are rejected. Um, because courts will recognize that public

665
00:47:30,572 --> 00:47:36,253
agencies do have the authority to adopt. Rent control as

666
00:47:36,253 --> 00:47:40,413
long as landlords are not entirely deprived of the economic

667
00:47:40,453 --> 00:47:47,273
value of their property. But typically the as applied claims,

668
00:47:47,273 --> 00:47:51,033
meaning a landlord is challenging whether or not, uh, an

669
00:47:51,054 --> 00:47:56,073
ordinance provides them an adequate return in their particular circumstance,

670
00:47:56,073 --> 00:48:01,833
uh, result in very lengthy, uh, court cases. Oftentimes going

671
00:48:01,873 --> 00:48:06,572
to the court of appeal. Um, and they can be

672
00:48:06,612 --> 00:48:10,392
very costly for public agencies, uh, cities have spent, um,

673
00:48:10,833 --> 00:48:14,732
hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes almost sometimes in the

674
00:48:14,753 --> 00:48:19,281
low millions, uh, one to two million defending. Uh, their

675
00:48:19,321 --> 00:48:22,881
rent control ordinances. Um, Carson Valley, I think, uh, had

676
00:48:23,062 --> 00:48:29,600
years of litigation over theres. Most agencies that have had

677
00:48:29,621 --> 00:48:33,760
them will have some sort of, uh, court case involving

678
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:40,575
them at some point in time. Importantly, um, while most

679
00:48:40,756 --> 00:48:45,455
of the legal challenges are brought by landlords, uh, to

680
00:48:45,455 --> 00:48:47,575
over whether or not they're provided an adequate rate of

681
00:48:47,575 --> 00:48:51,695
return for their investment, uh, increasingly we are seeing that,

682
00:48:51,695 --> 00:48:55,055
uh, sometimes they are brought by tenants, uh, challenging city

683
00:48:55,076 --> 00:49:03,162
decisions to allow for increases by landlords. Um, beyond making

684
00:49:03,263 --> 00:49:08,005
decisions about how to structure, uh. The cities rent control

685
00:49:08,045 --> 00:49:11,125
regulations and what methodology you want to include in terms

686
00:49:11,125 --> 00:49:15,105
of ensuring you're providing a fair rate of return. And

687
00:49:15,146 --> 00:49:18,145
what sort of adjustment mechanisms you want to have. Uh,

688
00:49:18,186 --> 00:49:20,725
one of the big questions is, uh, whether you want

689
00:49:20,725 --> 00:49:25,445
to have vacancy control or decontrol, uh, for residential reel

690
00:49:25,445 --> 00:49:29,445
property, cost of Hawkins, uh, provides for vacancy D control,

691
00:49:29,445 --> 00:49:33,025
which means that every time a space or, you know,

692
00:49:33,306 --> 00:49:36,245
rental unit is vacant. The landlord gets to set the

693
00:49:36,426 --> 00:49:40,805
rent for themselves, uh, allowing that typically decreases the likelihood

694
00:49:40,805 --> 00:49:46,325
of legal challenges because of, uh, the landlord allowing, having

695
00:49:46,325 --> 00:49:51,285
a mechanism to allow for, um, them to set what

696
00:49:51,325 --> 00:49:57,842
they think is market, right? Um, but a number of,

697
00:49:57,842 --> 00:50:02,757
um, ordinances for local jurisdictions do include vacancy control. Which

698
00:50:04,218 --> 00:50:08,117
ensures that rent doesn't significantly increase when a mobile home

699
00:50:08,218 --> 00:50:11,157
is sold or a tendency changes. It does allow for

700
00:50:11,738 --> 00:50:16,117
greater continuity and predictability and home values. Um, this will

701
00:50:16,218 --> 00:50:21,397
typically result in more, uh, difficulty for, uh, administration of

702
00:50:21,437 --> 00:50:24,677
an ordinance, um, because you're more likely to have landler

703
00:50:24,717 --> 00:50:28,673
petitions to deal with. But it does typically resolt in

704
00:50:29,494 --> 00:50:34,513
more protections for tenants in terms of, uh, predictability for

705
00:50:34,694 --> 00:50:42,966
home values and for resale of homes. Importantly, another big

706
00:50:43,067 --> 00:50:48,726
question is, uh, who do you want to have be

707
00:50:48,766 --> 00:50:55,240
responsible for hearing petitions for rent increases. Uh, and adjustments

708
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,520
to rental rates, um, cities have a couple different models.

709
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,040
You can have a board that considers these. You can

710
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,040
have a staff administered model where it's handled by a

711
00:51:06,141 --> 00:51:12,021
hearing officer. In either case, they're both time consuming for

712
00:51:12,042 --> 00:51:15,941
staff to administer. Um, certainly a staff administra model is

713
00:51:15,962 --> 00:51:19,701
simpler. Um, it requires two republic hearings. It is typically

714
00:51:20,122 --> 00:51:26,053
faster in terms of routine administration. Um. That being said,

715
00:51:26,074 --> 00:51:29,973
there is some benefits to having a hearing model in

716
00:51:29,973 --> 00:51:35,373
terms of, um, it's a dedicated forum. You know, you

717
00:51:35,373 --> 00:51:41,713
will have more decision makers involved. Um, runner Park, Fresno,

718
00:51:41,713 --> 00:51:45,773
Carson, Beaumont used boards and commissions for this purpose. Um,

719
00:51:45,974 --> 00:51:48,673
but a number of the smaller cities as well as

720
00:51:48,774 --> 00:51:58,082
Fremont, uh, use a dedicated staff officer. Again, uh, just

721
00:51:58,103 --> 00:52:02,562
going back for, uh, to discuss sort of the cost

722
00:52:02,602 --> 00:52:09,390
of administration and the litigation risk. Thousand O expend five

723
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,150
years in litigation, uh, spending three quarters of a, a

724
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:17,150
million dollars to defend its local rent control ordinance. Capitola

725
00:52:17,331 --> 00:52:20,910
in 2011 voted to repeal. It's 32 year old rent

726
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:25,871
control ordinance. After, uh, spending 1. 5 million dollars in

727
00:52:25,871 --> 00:52:29,952
litigation with one particular mobile home park. And at least

728
00:52:30,213 --> 00:52:32,512
one third of the cost was publicly reported to have

729
00:52:32,853 --> 00:52:35,792
been passed on to the residents via illegal defense fee.

730
00:52:39,281 --> 00:52:42,440
After repeal of that mobile Home Park rent control, uh,

731
00:52:42,801 --> 00:52:46,140
Capitol and did during COVID readopt mobile Home Park rent

732
00:52:46,140 --> 00:52:52,154
control as an urgency mushroom. Additionally, uh, rent control is

733
00:52:52,154 --> 00:52:56,154
being blamed by park operators as a primary reason for

734
00:52:56,415 --> 00:53:00,234
park closure. Um, there is ongoing litigation, both pedaluma and

735
00:53:00,335 --> 00:53:06,074
Windsor over the closure of parks, uh, in those jurisdictions,

736
00:53:06,074 --> 00:53:10,714
uh, relocation obligations under the city's local ordinances, uh, for

737
00:53:10,735 --> 00:53:18,057
those tenants. In terms of preparing an ornance, uh, the

738
00:53:18,057 --> 00:53:24,577
number of steps, um, as well as, uh, steps in

739
00:53:24,577 --> 00:53:29,177
terms of ministering, um. Typically the city has to make

740
00:53:29,278 --> 00:53:32,857
a decision on the big picture policy questions, draft its

741
00:53:32,897 --> 00:53:38,799
regulations. Additionally, uh, administering these kinds of regulations is not

742
00:53:38,799 --> 00:53:41,839
cost free. So it is appropriate for the town to

743
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:46,799
consider, uh, adopting a fee that is imposed, uh, onto

744
00:53:46,900 --> 00:53:50,879
landlords typically who then may or may not depending on

745
00:53:51,380 --> 00:53:54,939
your particular ordinance and pose that on the tenants. Um,

746
00:53:56,820 --> 00:54:02,079
typically you need to, um, gather information about your existing

747
00:54:03,060 --> 00:54:07,439
tenants, um, base rent data, conduct outreach or landlords prior

748
00:54:07,439 --> 00:54:16,079
to implementation. Um, additionally, you will need to, once the

749
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,939
regulations are adopted, most jurisdictions have registration requirements, compliance review,

750
00:54:21,939 --> 00:54:25,659
uh, that is done annually record keeping and then a

751
00:54:25,659 --> 00:54:30,899
provision for annual adjustment of, of rents. Um, in the

752
00:54:30,939 --> 00:54:35,299
instances where the cities or Town's ordinance is not providing

753
00:54:35,339 --> 00:54:41,069
for. The rate of return, there will be a requirement

754
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:44,589
that the ordinance includes some sort of fair rate of

755
00:54:44,629 --> 00:54:49,129
return adjustment mechanism usually done by petition of the, um,

756
00:54:50,290 --> 00:54:52,909
landlord. And so there needs to be a mechanism to

757
00:54:53,570 --> 00:54:57,469
hear those. Um, and obviously that is going to result

758
00:54:57,650 --> 00:55:05,509
in annual reviews, um, usually you'll have at least, if

759
00:55:05,509 --> 00:55:07,629
you have a number of mobile home parks in your

760
00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,149
jurisdiction, you will usually have at least one or so

761
00:55:11,250 --> 00:55:14,429
of those kinds of petitions to the side per year.

762
00:55:14,429 --> 00:55:18,669
Um, and then additionally you may need to consider hiring

763
00:55:18,770 --> 00:55:23,469
either consultants or hearing officers, uh, to, uh, address those

764
00:55:23,730 --> 00:55:32,412
particular, um, kinds of petitions. Uh, Program fees, um.

765
00:55:34,346 --> 00:55:37,845
Most local ordinances have either a per space fee or

766
00:55:38,026 --> 00:55:40,645
administration fee that it's used to fund the staff time.

767
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:46,179
Uh, keep track of registration, um, pay for noticing hearing

768
00:55:46,179 --> 00:55:51,666
officers. Mediation arbitration is sometimes included in local programs. Um,

769
00:55:51,947 --> 00:55:56,623
the females usually set by resolution. Almost always the amounts

770
00:55:56,663 --> 00:55:59,983
or not sufficient to recover, um, all of the legal

771
00:56:00,164 --> 00:56:03,423
costs that can come along, uh, with these kinds of

772
00:56:03,524 --> 00:56:10,063
regulations. Importantly, they're usually not set with the expectation of

773
00:56:10,244 --> 00:56:17,584
litigation, even though litigation is a significant risk. Um, so.

774
00:56:19,711 --> 00:56:22,550
With the fair rate of return requirements, most of the

775
00:56:22,550 --> 00:56:26,090
time any program fees that are imposed on a landlord

776
00:56:26,831 --> 00:56:29,530
are calculated as part of the landlords operating cost and

777
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:31,690
can be a basis for the landlord to petition for

778
00:56:31,711 --> 00:56:36,976
increases. Um, oftentimes, uh, if the local ordinance doesn't prohibit

779
00:56:37,317 --> 00:56:40,256
the pass through of these fees, landlords will pass people

780
00:56:40,296 --> 00:56:44,798
with east to the tenants. So if the council wants

781
00:56:44,798 --> 00:56:47,198
to move forward, there are a number of questions for

782
00:56:47,198 --> 00:56:53,038
the council's consideration. Uh, including what exactly the council wants

783
00:56:53,078 --> 00:56:58,558
to address in its ordinance. Which formula, uh, it wants

784
00:56:58,558 --> 00:57:04,058
to use for rent control, including, um, whether or not

785
00:57:04,099 --> 00:57:06,878
it wants to undertake, uh, vacancy control or allow for

786
00:57:06,918 --> 00:57:11,758
vacancy decontrol. The town does need a plan for the

787
00:57:11,779 --> 00:57:14,878
eventual administration of an ordinance, including deciding whether or not

788
00:57:14,979 --> 00:57:17,518
it's going to be administered by a dedicated board or

789
00:57:17,558 --> 00:57:21,998
hearing officer. And then additionally, um, a lot of local

790
00:57:22,179 --> 00:57:29,223
regulations include provisions governing park closure. Uh, and relocation requirements

791
00:57:29,263 --> 00:57:33,783
for tenants, uh, in case of park closure, uh, again,

792
00:57:33,783 --> 00:57:36,823
based on the experience of pet alum and Windsor, those

793
00:57:36,823 --> 00:57:39,623
may not be something the town wants to undertake at

794
00:57:39,623 --> 00:57:43,630
this point. Um, but it is something to consider. Uh,

795
00:57:43,630 --> 00:57:48,110
and then again, in terms of, uh, cost of administering

796
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:52,590
the program, uh, there will need to be an evaluation.

797
00:57:52,590 --> 00:57:55,470
The program cost. And additionally, the town will need to

798
00:57:55,470 --> 00:57:57,390
think about how much of a program it is willing

799
00:57:57,491 --> 00:58:03,564
to subsidize. And then lastly given the pending state legislation,

800
00:58:03,564 --> 00:58:06,764
that is another, uh, consideration for the town in terms

801
00:58:06,804 --> 00:58:09,404
of whether or not to move forward or see whether

802
00:58:09,444 --> 00:58:13,884
or not the, uh, state with its additional resources. We'll

803
00:58:13,884 --> 00:58:17,564
be moving forward to, uh, enacts daywide rent control for,

804
00:58:17,564 --> 00:58:23,491
um, mobile home parks. And that is my presentation. And

805
00:58:23,491 --> 00:58:27,671
I am happy to take any questions. Okay. Thank you

806
00:58:27,711 --> 00:58:31,031
so much. John, do you have some questions? Uh, yeah.

807
00:58:34,931 --> 00:58:40,043
Help us understand why this is so complicated. Is there

808
00:58:40,043 --> 00:58:42,523
a legislative history in California that's added up to something

809
00:58:42,544 --> 00:58:46,043
that just seems, uh, it seems kind of impossible out

810
00:58:46,043 --> 00:58:47,723
of the box. I'm not trying to be glib about

811
00:58:47,763 --> 00:58:51,963
this, but can you give any background on why this,

812
00:58:51,963 --> 00:58:56,123
why regulating these things is apparently seemingly so complicated involved

813
00:58:56,224 --> 00:58:58,763
state agencies. All the rest of it, just any thought

814
00:58:58,763 --> 00:59:02,631
you might have on that. I'd just like to say

815
00:59:02,671 --> 00:59:06,631
that it's, it's complicated because of the legal rights involved.

816
00:59:07,453 --> 00:59:10,712
When it's complicated because of a long, long history of

817
00:59:10,733 --> 00:59:15,192
litigation involving these issues, um, the law has changed over

818
00:59:15,213 --> 00:59:19,512
the years. The courts keep, uh, keep having to hear

819
00:59:20,013 --> 00:59:24,152
challenges brought largely by landlords. And so what you get

820
00:59:24,192 --> 00:59:26,632
is you have a complicated set of rights. You have

821
00:59:26,733 --> 00:59:30,392
complicated laws, um, and you have an atmosphere that breeds

822
00:59:30,493 --> 00:59:35,395
litigation. And you put all that together and you get,

823
00:59:35,395 --> 00:59:39,308
you get what we have. We're drafting ordinances on some,

824
00:59:39,308 --> 00:59:41,548
in some areas of law ordinances are, are pretty much

825
00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:44,588
cookie cutter. This is one area of law where they

826
00:59:44,628 --> 00:59:47,228
are not. There is no one true path. There's no

827
00:59:47,268 --> 00:59:50,508
one right way to do it. And every jurisdiction just

828
00:59:50,529 --> 00:59:53,308
does the best they can and makes choices they think

829
00:59:53,889 --> 00:59:56,668
will serve their community. But Sergio Open expand on that.

830
00:59:59,109 --> 01:00:02,048
Andy thinks of that. I agree with everything you've said.

831
01:00:02,048 --> 01:00:04,528
I think the, the main reason it is so complicated

832
01:00:04,789 --> 01:00:07,328
is that the fair rate of return standard for local

833
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:10,848
run control is so incredibly squishy. When you're asking a

834
01:00:10,888 --> 01:00:13,088
court to figure out what is fair for a landlord.

835
01:00:13,932 --> 01:00:19,031
It is always an adjudication of very fact specific issues

836
01:00:19,292 --> 01:00:23,271
regarding the operations of a specific mobile home park. What

837
01:00:23,271 --> 01:00:25,511
may be fair for one park is not always there

838
01:00:25,532 --> 01:00:29,911
for another park. And because it is park specific tenant

839
01:00:30,012 --> 01:00:35,271
specific, uh, landlord specific, um, it is very hard to

840
01:00:35,452 --> 01:00:39,911
predict as you are drafting these kinds of regulations where

841
01:00:39,951 --> 01:00:43,023
the weaknesses may be in them. Okay. That's great. I

842
01:00:43,023 --> 01:00:45,403
think it, I think we get the general idea. Um,

843
01:00:46,004 --> 01:00:50,223
if the town were to wait into this, um, would

844
01:00:50,484 --> 01:00:54,923
the regulations apply to all parks within our jurisdiction. The

845
01:00:54,923 --> 01:00:56,943
second question being how many parks do we have in

846
01:00:57,124 --> 01:01:01,437
Mammoth Lakes. You have two parks, at least according to

847
01:01:01,458 --> 01:01:04,557
staff. And yes, you would, if you adopt mobile Home

848
01:01:04,557 --> 01:01:06,797
Park rank control, you would, it would be my recommendation

849
01:01:06,797 --> 01:01:08,717
that you have it applied to all parks in your

850
01:01:08,757 --> 01:01:15,415
jurisdiction. And what are the two parks. Um, that is

851
01:01:15,916 --> 01:01:19,631
the ski trails. And the name of the other one

852
01:01:19,671 --> 01:01:27,311
escapes me. Okay. So not by Azimuth. But not the,

853
01:01:27,311 --> 01:01:30,031
you know, the mobile V part? The RV park. That's

854
01:01:30,031 --> 01:01:31,871
not, that's not, I mean, that's a, I would think

855
01:01:32,132 --> 01:01:35,231
it's a federal thing. That doesn't apply to this. That

856
01:01:35,231 --> 01:01:38,111
is outside of the Towns jurisdiction is my understanding. Okay.

857
01:01:38,772 --> 01:01:40,591
All right. Those are my questions for the moment. Thank

858
01:01:40,591 --> 01:01:42,591
you. Okay. Brent, do you have some questions? A couple

859
01:01:42,591 --> 01:01:45,951
of questions if I could, please. Um, just to clarify,

860
01:01:45,951 --> 01:01:48,271
one of your statements that says that health and safety

861
01:01:48,271 --> 01:01:53,111
issues are responsibility of HTD within the trailer park. So

862
01:01:53,492 --> 01:01:54,831
I just want to make sure I'm clear on this.

863
01:01:54,831 --> 01:02:00,221
So waste disposal issues, bears, crime rates unsafe buildings. That's

864
01:02:00,402 --> 01:02:05,978
HCD and that town has no jurisdiction. That is correct.

865
01:02:05,978 --> 01:02:08,778
Unless the town petitions to become a local enforcement agency

866
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:13,818
that typically all of the issues regarding, um, uh, construction

867
01:02:13,919 --> 01:02:19,787
standards, health and safety code provisions. And utilities, all of

868
01:02:19,787 --> 01:02:22,507
the things that deal with the built environment are almost

869
01:02:22,528 --> 01:02:28,584
all entirely subject to regulation by HCD. And there are

870
01:02:28,584 --> 01:02:32,744
very few jurisdictions that have petitioned to become a local

871
01:02:32,845 --> 01:02:35,544
enforcement agency for mobile home parks. I don't know the

872
01:02:35,565 --> 01:02:38,664
exact number, but it's a small, small minority of the

873
01:02:39,005 --> 01:02:43,064
jurisdictions that had parks. The vast majority of the jurisdictions

874
01:02:43,104 --> 01:02:46,744
with parks, uh, have relied on HCE to continue to

875
01:02:46,744 --> 01:02:53,148
do the enforcement. Just one clarifying point. Can you two

876
01:02:53,188 --> 01:02:57,060
explain to the audience and us what HCD is. This

877
01:02:57,100 --> 01:03:00,100
is the department of housing and community development. So this

878
01:03:00,100 --> 01:03:02,980
is the same agency that is responsible for housing element

879
01:03:03,020 --> 01:03:08,439
law. Enforcement of ADU laws, um, and generally the state's

880
01:03:08,439 --> 01:03:13,876
housing agency. And where they headquartered. I would assume Sacramento.

881
01:03:13,916 --> 01:03:15,716
Okay. And they don't have, they have a branch office

882
01:03:15,716 --> 01:03:19,156
in our region or, or we would be dealing with

883
01:03:19,897 --> 01:03:22,036
sex. We and everybody in the community will be dealing

884
01:03:22,076 --> 01:03:26,356
with sacramento, correct? I believe that would be the case.

885
01:03:26,377 --> 01:03:29,236
I do not know about whether they have branch offices.

886
01:03:29,236 --> 01:03:33,396
Okay. Thank you. A couple more questions. Um, and it

887
01:03:33,396 --> 01:03:35,436
follows up to the previous question a little bit. So

888
01:03:35,436 --> 01:03:40,036
we have residents who are raising concerns regarding challenges, maintenance

889
01:03:40,076 --> 01:03:43,249
issues, rent issues. What can we do right now through

890
01:03:43,350 --> 01:03:47,329
HCD to address any of these conditions without waiting for

891
01:03:47,510 --> 01:03:52,634
an ordinance or other action. Do we have any do

892
01:03:52,634 --> 01:03:56,074
we have any capabilities that a community, the town can

893
01:03:56,335 --> 01:03:58,874
serve as a liaison, it can petition HCD to take

894
01:03:58,914 --> 01:04:03,434
action on, you know, existing issues, uh, I do believe

895
01:04:03,455 --> 01:04:09,034
that having a local agencies reach out to HCD has

896
01:04:09,375 --> 01:04:15,887
increased enforcement efforts in the past. That require any particular

897
01:04:15,908 --> 01:04:18,927
action. Other than us taking action or is there a

898
01:04:18,927 --> 01:04:21,567
petition for that? What's the, what's the process for that

899
01:04:21,567 --> 01:04:27,954
to happen? Um, so HCD does have a complaint service,

900
01:04:27,954 --> 01:04:32,034
um, and certainly staff can encourage, uh, tenants to file

901
01:04:32,034 --> 01:04:35,154
complaints. I think that's important. But staff can also follow

902
01:04:35,194 --> 01:04:38,434
up on behalf of tenants to see whether HCD is

903
01:04:38,455 --> 01:04:45,215
taking action. So you've put a number of different points

904
01:04:45,236 --> 01:04:48,095
out there. And I'm just trying to understand because the

905
01:04:48,196 --> 01:04:52,655
financial component per se. But let's just say we, the

906
01:04:52,695 --> 01:04:56,816
town adopted a rent stabilization. In your opinion, what does

907
01:04:56,856 --> 01:04:58,496
that do to the actual rents? Cause I'm concerned about

908
01:04:59,237 --> 01:05:01,136
cost being, okay, now we do it and then we

909
01:05:01,176 --> 01:05:04,256
charge an extra 10 percent fee that goes on this.

910
01:05:04,256 --> 01:05:07,136
And landlord charges another feat. Does it actually reduce the

911
01:05:07,157 --> 01:05:16,919
rates. Um. So. Local rent control does

912
01:05:17,020 --> 01:05:20,535
slow down. Rent increases. Um, it is very rare that

913
01:05:20,636 --> 01:05:27,335
local rent control results in rent rollbacks. Okay. And then

914
01:05:28,076 --> 01:05:29,575
the other one I have is, so let's just say

915
01:05:29,615 --> 01:05:33,015
we asked after to look at this and start to

916
01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:36,855
look at implementing something. What's the length of time would

917
01:05:36,855 --> 01:05:38,935
it take to get an ordinance in place? You've got,

918
01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:41,735
we've got state measures that are potentially going to impact

919
01:05:41,775 --> 01:05:45,095
this. Could be some overlap. But what's the realistic timeframe

920
01:05:45,095 --> 01:05:46,855
to put something to place if we went down that

921
01:05:46,876 --> 01:05:51,963
road. Uh, realistically, I would probably say three to five

922
01:05:51,963 --> 01:05:55,145
months. Yeah. I concur with that. And the reason that

923
01:05:55,166 --> 01:05:58,025
it takes that long is because as I said, the

924
01:05:58,126 --> 01:06:02,664
ordinances are not cookie covered. There are, are there are

925
01:06:02,664 --> 01:06:04,904
no two that are alike. And I've looked at a

926
01:06:04,904 --> 01:06:08,344
couple dozen of them. They're all different. And they're all

927
01:06:08,344 --> 01:06:13,224
the result of a bunch of small discrete separate policy

928
01:06:13,264 --> 01:06:16,904
choices. Um, as Sergio said, you have to decide how

929
01:06:16,925 --> 01:06:19,304
to calculate a fair rate of return. You have to

930
01:06:19,325 --> 01:06:23,144
decide, uh, who's going to administer the ordinance. You just

931
01:06:23,144 --> 01:06:25,544
have to make a bunch of choices. And I think

932
01:06:25,645 --> 01:06:29,064
that in order to do this properly, um, weed staff

933
01:06:29,325 --> 01:06:32,504
probably with Sergio's help would need to bring to the

934
01:06:32,605 --> 01:06:35,624
council, um, a bunch of options. And I don't think

935
01:06:35,664 --> 01:06:38,824
it would be as simple as here's the staff recommendation

936
01:06:39,645 --> 01:06:42,964
because the issues are complex. They need some time, um,

937
01:06:42,964 --> 01:06:46,264
to unpack. And I think that it would require probably

938
01:06:46,304 --> 01:06:49,464
multiple council means. I'm not sure that the council would,

939
01:06:49,464 --> 01:06:52,904
um, would be able to do the subject justice and

940
01:06:52,944 --> 01:06:57,144
reach a decision the first time considering it. Um, a

941
01:06:57,144 --> 01:07:00,344
lot of jurisdictions that enact these ordinances will want to

942
01:07:00,344 --> 01:07:02,984
do some outreach to the park owners. Um, and have

943
01:07:03,024 --> 01:07:05,384
them be part of the process of their voices are

944
01:07:05,384 --> 01:07:08,024
heard because that can be a way of reducing the

945
01:07:08,045 --> 01:07:12,504
likelihood of litigation. Um, some jurisdictions have sought to involve

946
01:07:13,645 --> 01:07:17,784
park residents and crafting the ordinances. Um, which also adds

947
01:07:17,885 --> 01:07:21,544
time. So I, I really don't think it could be

948
01:07:21,544 --> 01:07:24,904
done in less than three months. Um, I, I think

949
01:07:25,245 --> 01:07:28,104
five months could be done with a lot of focus

950
01:07:28,445 --> 01:07:32,424
and discipline and focused attention on, um, on the subject.

951
01:07:35,591 --> 01:07:37,730
You have any other questions? No. Okay. I have a

952
01:07:37,730 --> 01:07:42,692
few questions. Sergio, I'm hoping that you can clarify. You

953
01:07:42,692 --> 01:07:45,832
said something about, um, that there, I just didn't quite

954
01:07:45,832 --> 01:07:48,472
understand you said something about like the exemption for two

955
01:07:48,512 --> 01:07:50,872
parks and different cities or it only applies to two

956
01:07:50,912 --> 01:07:56,924
parks in different cities. Yeah. So the, the statewide legislation,

957
01:07:56,924 --> 01:08:00,924
uh, which is being proposed is based on, uh, a

958
01:08:00,964 --> 01:08:06,604
statue, which currently imposes that five percent plus inflation cap

959
01:08:07,985 --> 01:08:10,764
in mobile home parks that are in more than one

960
01:08:10,804 --> 01:08:14,284
jurisdiction. So that's statue already exists. And the proposed bill

961
01:08:14,324 --> 01:08:17,804
would expand the reach of it to all parks throughout

962
01:08:17,844 --> 01:08:23,147
the state. So, okay. Thank you. So that is an

963
01:08:23,147 --> 01:08:27,895
effect. And the, was it the AB 1128? That is

964
01:08:27,895 --> 01:08:29,975
going to expand it to all in one to eight

965
01:08:30,015 --> 01:08:33,495
would take state rent control for mobile home parks, which

966
01:08:33,495 --> 01:08:35,735
only applies to a handful of parks and apply it

967
01:08:35,735 --> 01:08:41,495
everywhere. Okay. Thank you. Um, and then let's see how,

968
01:08:41,495 --> 01:08:42,675
Nolan, I think this is a question for you. How

969
01:08:42,796 --> 01:08:46,615
comparable are the rents at the two mobile home parks

970
01:08:46,615 --> 01:08:53,603
in town. On the town does not have detailed information

971
01:08:53,704 --> 01:08:56,243
on what the actual rents are charged based on what

972
01:08:56,344 --> 01:09:00,083
I've heard. They're fairly comparable though. We're comparable to each

973
01:09:00,083 --> 01:09:03,763
other. Okay. They are about the same. Okay. Um, and

974
01:09:03,784 --> 01:09:09,409
then, um. How is the land zoned? Can it only

975
01:09:09,409 --> 01:09:13,138
be used for a mobile home park. Correct. So within

976
01:09:13,138 --> 01:09:18,578
the town Zoning Ordonites, there's a mobile Home Park zoning

977
01:09:18,679 --> 01:09:22,978
designation that designation that only applies to the two existing

978
01:09:23,079 --> 01:09:29,138
parks. Outline standards if we were to, what process and

979
01:09:29,138 --> 01:09:32,258
steps we'd have to take to create any new parcel

980
01:09:32,298 --> 01:09:38,178
zone mobile HomePark with size and specific details on that.

981
01:09:38,178 --> 01:09:40,818
But then it also regulates the uses that it can

982
01:09:40,818 --> 01:09:45,058
only, only allows for mobile home parks or mobile home

983
01:09:45,159 --> 01:09:47,938
street placed within the park does not allow nightly rentals

984
01:09:47,959 --> 01:09:51,898
within the two mobile Home Parks, um, that's kind of

985
01:09:51,898 --> 01:09:55,858
the extent of what that zoning does. Okay. And then

986
01:09:56,679 --> 01:09:59,118
this is a silly. I don't want to interrupt, but

987
01:09:59,118 --> 01:10:03,118
I, I'm just getting into the question there that, um,

988
01:10:03,319 --> 01:10:06,578
you might be wondering, well, something else happened on these

989
01:10:06,618 --> 01:10:09,538
sites. Um, and Sergio can address this in more detail,

990
01:10:09,538 --> 01:10:11,378
but I will tell you, I do have some experience

991
01:10:11,559 --> 01:10:15,118
with the idea of wanting to close a park. And

992
01:10:15,118 --> 01:10:18,418
it's, it's somewhat complicated. It's very expensive and it's time

993
01:10:18,519 --> 01:10:22,663
consuming. Um, because the mobile Home Park law, um, provides

994
01:10:23,404 --> 01:10:26,403
a number of rights to tenants, which are fantastic. But

995
01:10:26,444 --> 01:10:29,463
they make it very financially difficult for park owners to

996
01:10:29,503 --> 01:10:32,823
close a park because they have to provide, uh, extensive

997
01:10:33,084 --> 01:10:37,143
relocation benefits to the tenants. Sergio, have you ever had

998
01:10:37,244 --> 01:10:41,531
a jurisdiction actually have a part close. I have only

999
01:10:41,632 --> 01:10:45,771
dealt with trying to have a public agency acquirer a

1000
01:10:45,771 --> 01:10:49,771
park. So, um, I have, I have not actually had

1001
01:10:49,771 --> 01:10:52,528
to deal with park closure myself. Yeah. And I, I've

1002
01:10:52,568 --> 01:10:56,848
only, um, addressed it in a jurisdiction that was thinking

1003
01:10:56,848 --> 01:11:00,088
about talking to the property owner about doing that. I

1004
01:11:00,088 --> 01:11:04,028
have never actually seen a part close study of the

1005
01:11:04,028 --> 01:11:07,363
truth. Okay. So what's happened, but it's very rare. That

1006
01:11:07,403 --> 01:11:09,683
was kind of my line of questioning is if the,

1007
01:11:09,723 --> 01:11:12,243
if they were, you know, if they would be able

1008
01:11:12,243 --> 01:11:14,323
to drive up the rent so much and then close

1009
01:11:14,363 --> 01:11:18,083
the park and have it zoned for something else, or,

1010
01:11:18,083 --> 01:11:22,586
but that sounds like that's not a possibility. It's possible,

1011
01:11:22,586 --> 01:11:24,746
but it would not be easy, nor would it be

1012
01:11:24,746 --> 01:11:32,738
cheap or quick. Okay. Let's see. Um, and then the

1013
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:36,498
AB 1128, you said that there's not really a timeline

1014
01:11:36,538 --> 01:11:41,375
for that. Um, no, there is a timeline in order

1015
01:11:41,396 --> 01:11:44,015
for it to pass this legislative session. I believe it

1016
01:11:44,055 --> 01:11:48,335
has to, uh, let me pull up the stabiliser calendar.

1017
01:11:48,335 --> 01:11:50,095
Um, I think it needs to be signed by the

1018
01:11:50,276 --> 01:11:58,990
governor in September. And it needs to, I believe exit

1019
01:11:59,251 --> 01:12:05,249
the. I think it needs to be passed out of

1020
01:12:05,249 --> 01:12:08,682
the houses at the end of October. Uh, yeah, September

1021
01:12:08,783 --> 01:12:11,242
30th is the last day for the governor to sign

1022
01:12:11,343 --> 01:12:15,713
or veto bills. October, August 31 is the last day

1023
01:12:15,734 --> 01:12:18,273
for each house to pass bills. Uh, and then they

1024
01:12:18,313 --> 01:12:22,273
go into final recess. So we'll probably know by the

1025
01:12:22,273 --> 01:12:24,433
end of this month whether or not it's heading to

1026
01:12:24,433 --> 01:12:28,955
the governor's desk. Okay. Okay. Are there questions? One of

1027
01:12:28,955 --> 01:12:33,995
the quick questions. Um, do the other HOA or their

1028
01:12:34,035 --> 01:12:38,475
homeowner associations associated with parks. Is that possible and do

1029
01:12:38,475 --> 01:12:44,785
the two parks of Mammoth have HOAs. Uh, typically parks

1030
01:12:44,785 --> 01:12:50,065
will not have associations, although certainly tenant group tenant groups

1031
01:12:50,806 --> 01:12:56,305
can band together and form an unincorporated association to represent

1032
01:12:56,305 --> 01:13:02,564
their own interests with regards to the landlord. Often in,

1033
01:13:02,564 --> 01:13:05,324
you know, condo developments are similar under Davis Turling. A

1034
01:13:05,324 --> 01:13:09,104
homeowners association is responsible for managing of the park. And

1035
01:13:09,104 --> 01:13:12,004
it, you know, it collects assessments, et cetera. Park management

1036
01:13:12,985 --> 01:13:17,484
usually contracted by the landowner is responsible for that. So

1037
01:13:17,484 --> 01:13:19,764
the HOA in the sense that you may be thinking

1038
01:13:19,804 --> 01:13:22,164
of it. But there could be a tenant some sort

1039
01:13:22,164 --> 01:13:26,004
of organized tennis association for the parks to represent their

1040
01:13:26,265 --> 01:13:29,284
increasingly for some of these mobile home parks. These kinds

1041
01:13:29,324 --> 01:13:33,364
of, uh, tenant associations banning together. Sometimes we'll buy out

1042
01:13:33,465 --> 01:13:36,404
the park from the park homer. Okay. That's it. Thank

1043
01:13:36,404 --> 01:13:38,964
you. Okay. Just another question. Yes. Sergio, just one more

1044
01:13:38,964 --> 01:13:41,524
question. You brought up an interesting thumb head. But when

1045
01:13:41,564 --> 01:13:44,564
he said you were involved with the public agency potentially

1046
01:13:44,585 --> 01:13:47,844
acquiring a park, is that a difficult thing? You kind

1047
01:13:47,844 --> 01:13:49,604
of, I kind of got through your voice that's not

1048
01:13:49,644 --> 01:13:52,324
necessarily easy to think. Yes. The short answer is yes.

1049
01:13:52,324 --> 01:13:57,364
It is difficult. Okay. That's it. Okay. Um, and then

1050
01:13:57,404 --> 01:13:59,524
I guess I had one kind of question. I don't

1051
01:13:59,524 --> 01:14:02,244
know if you'll answer to this, but, uh, it's a

1052
01:14:02,244 --> 01:14:07,444
mobile home park. How mobile are the homes? Not mobile.

1053
01:14:07,444 --> 01:14:09,684
I don't know. They're not. No, they're not. Okay. And

1054
01:14:09,684 --> 01:14:12,004
that's, and that's the main reason. And that's why there

1055
01:14:12,044 --> 01:14:15,044
are so many state law protections and comprehensive state regulation

1056
01:14:15,465 --> 01:14:18,004
over what landlords can and can't do is because as

1057
01:14:18,044 --> 01:14:19,924
a practical matter, it's very hard to move any of

1058
01:14:19,964 --> 01:14:22,804
these homes. It's essentially a homeless thing. It gets to

1059
01:14:22,804 --> 01:14:25,184
be over 20 or so years old, which a lot

1060
01:14:25,184 --> 01:14:27,364
of coaches are. I don't know the ages of the

1061
01:14:27,364 --> 01:14:31,124
units in either of our parks, but you essentially can't

1062
01:14:31,225 --> 01:14:36,515
move an older coach. Without it falling apart. Just can't

1063
01:14:36,515 --> 01:14:40,930
be done. Okay. Um, so we've done questions. Let's do

1064
01:14:40,951 --> 01:14:44,010
public comment and then, uh, we will do deliberations. So

1065
01:14:44,010 --> 01:14:45,490
if you have a public comment, you can come up

1066
01:14:45,490 --> 01:14:47,730
to the podium and you have five minutes to tell

1067
01:14:47,770 --> 01:14:53,410
us how you feel about this issue. Hi Jennifer Krites.

1068
01:14:53,410 --> 01:14:55,090
Monokini board a supervisors. And I also want to just

1069
01:14:56,711 --> 01:14:59,650
not take away the thunder from anybody else. But I

1070
01:14:59,650 --> 01:15:02,570
do want to recap on some of the legislation. So

1071
01:15:02,871 --> 01:15:08,238
AB 1128. Is actually been through a gut and amend.

1072
01:15:08,238 --> 01:15:10,878
And it's in the Senate right now. And it was

1073
01:15:11,139 --> 01:15:14,878
amended to only be a rent camp cap for the

1074
01:15:14,899 --> 01:15:17,598
city of Torrance. So it will not be a statewide

1075
01:15:18,659 --> 01:15:22,778
rent cap on mobile home parks. Um, this year, um,

1076
01:15:23,219 --> 01:15:26,958
because once it's been amended, um, in the other house,

1077
01:15:26,958 --> 01:15:28,958
it can't go back and be amended again in the

1078
01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:33,518
assembly because now it's in the Senate. AB 768 is

1079
01:15:33,539 --> 01:15:36,958
dead. Um, it's, um, it's not going to get hurt

1080
01:15:36,979 --> 01:15:40,358
again. So those things are off the table. I think

1081
01:15:40,358 --> 01:15:43,598
it's important for us to know that as a community,

1082
01:15:43,598 --> 01:15:45,758
when we think about next steps, I mean, many of

1083
01:15:45,758 --> 01:15:49,918
these big cities too have lots of mobile home parks.

1084
01:15:49,918 --> 01:15:51,438
We're kind of lucky we only have two in the

1085
01:15:51,438 --> 01:15:54,238
sense that that's easier to work with the tenants and

1086
01:15:54,278 --> 01:15:58,458
the landlords, um, and I think being in this, um,

1087
01:15:59,059 --> 01:16:02,558
this situation where the land is zoned only for mobile

1088
01:16:02,598 --> 01:16:06,378
home parks is also favorable. In my opinion in the

1089
01:16:06,378 --> 01:16:09,678
county, most of ours is zone commercial. So therefore it

1090
01:16:09,678 --> 01:16:12,158
could, you know, it would be controversial, but it could

1091
01:16:12,659 --> 01:16:17,498
potentially become something other than a mobile home park. Um,

1092
01:16:17,498 --> 01:16:20,158
I personally think that the housing fund is a great

1093
01:16:20,899 --> 01:16:25,918
place to fund the administration of a policy like this.

1094
01:16:25,918 --> 01:16:31,918
And that, um, a lot of these bills that we've

1095
01:16:31,958 --> 01:16:35,518
seen throughout decades, I would say as long as I've

1096
01:16:35,518 --> 01:16:40,078
been working in affordable housing, um, have been brought to

1097
01:16:40,419 --> 01:16:43,678
the state, but the lobbyist on the park owner's side

1098
01:16:43,779 --> 01:16:48,058
are just so strong that they just never pass. And

1099
01:16:48,058 --> 01:16:51,038
it seems ashamed to keep waiting for that for our

1100
01:16:51,539 --> 01:16:58,478
residents. It is an organically affordable housing source here in

1101
01:16:58,478 --> 01:17:03,018
our town. And I think folks deserve some stability. And

1102
01:17:03,018 --> 01:17:05,918
that's really all this policy would do. It wouldn't reverse

1103
01:17:06,819 --> 01:17:09,758
rents, but it would make them stable. And I can

1104
01:17:09,758 --> 01:17:12,238
appreciate the desire for that. So that's all I wanted

1105
01:17:12,278 --> 01:17:13,838
to share. Thank you so much for your time. Thank

1106
01:17:13,838 --> 01:17:22,348
you, Jen for. My name is Jennifer Barrett. I actually

1107
01:17:22,388 --> 01:17:27,308
am the other park representation for Sierra Holiday. I actually

1108
01:17:27,409 --> 01:17:30,268
managed the community with the support of some team members.

1109
01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:33,829
And we've owned the park for three years. And I

1110
01:17:33,829 --> 01:17:37,189
do consider us to be very good park owners. We're

1111
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:40,229
very involved with the community. We have homeowner meetings with

1112
01:17:40,269 --> 01:17:43,749
them to understand what the needs of the community are.

1113
01:17:43,749 --> 01:17:46,949
In that community, we have 83 sites, only 78 of

1114
01:17:46,949 --> 01:17:50,309
them are occupied because we hold the others back for

1115
01:17:50,330 --> 01:17:52,949
the snow removal every year. And we don't plan on

1116
01:17:52,970 --> 01:17:56,546
bringing homes into those sites. Um, I think some of

1117
01:17:56,807 --> 01:17:58,786
the concerns that I have is, I think that we

1118
01:17:58,967 --> 01:18:01,346
all share the same goal. I share the same goal

1119
01:18:01,767 --> 01:18:05,666
as the community does, which is really having stable housing

1120
01:18:05,847 --> 01:18:08,466
for our homeowners. And I feel like we really do

1121
01:18:08,727 --> 01:18:12,866
do a good job at that. We have, um, MRL

1122
01:18:12,967 --> 01:18:15,746
is in place to protect the residents and to protect

1123
01:18:16,007 --> 01:18:20,816
park owners like ourselves. We also have, and what is

1124
01:18:20,856 --> 01:18:24,256
MRL? The mobile home residency law. Okay. And when we

1125
01:18:24,296 --> 01:18:28,896
talked about HCD, the HCD program that was mentioned by

1126
01:18:28,936 --> 01:18:32,656
the gentleman, I love that program. If a resident has

1127
01:18:32,677 --> 01:18:36,496
a concern about the way we maintain or don't maintain

1128
01:18:36,597 --> 01:18:40,256
a community, they can call and file a complaint. Either

1129
01:18:40,256 --> 01:18:42,736
there are no satellite offices, by the way, it's either

1130
01:18:42,917 --> 01:18:46,016
Sacramento or Riverside County. And they will come out to

1131
01:18:46,016 --> 01:18:49,376
the community. We've had HCD out to our community twice

1132
01:18:50,277 --> 01:18:53,576
since we've purchased the property because we've invited them. Or

1133
01:18:53,576 --> 01:18:56,176
we've had something done that requires permits that they come

1134
01:18:56,176 --> 01:19:00,484
out and do that. Specifically for Sierra Holiday, one of

1135
01:19:00,524 --> 01:19:04,484
my concerns is the percentage of residents and that community

1136
01:19:04,524 --> 01:19:07,524
who own the homes that do not live there. They

1137
01:19:07,524 --> 01:19:10,724
either rent it out for profit. So they have their

1138
01:19:10,724 --> 01:19:12,164
sub - leasing the home. They have a rental agreement

1139
01:19:12,185 --> 01:19:14,644
with us, but they're sub - leasing the home to

1140
01:19:14,745 --> 01:19:18,164
an outsider. Or they're using it strictly as a vacation

1141
01:19:18,185 --> 01:19:21,044
rental. And I do think that if this is something

1142
01:19:21,065 --> 01:19:25,124
that we look into, I don't believe second homeowners should

1143
01:19:25,164 --> 01:19:29,844
be entitled to that. Or people subleasing their home. Right

1144
01:19:29,844 --> 01:19:33,204
now, we can only confirm, because it's only three years,

1145
01:19:33,204 --> 01:19:35,204
it takes a while to meet all of the residents.

1146
01:19:35,204 --> 01:19:40,964
Um, So I think that's an important thing to look

1147
01:19:41,065 --> 01:19:44,004
at when we're doing that. The other thing that I

1148
01:19:44,044 --> 01:19:47,364
would like people to look at is the pricing of

1149
01:19:47,385 --> 01:19:51,764
the homes in the community. Mobile homes are mobile homes.

1150
01:19:51,764 --> 01:19:55,124
And right now the couple of mobile homes listed in

1151
01:19:55,124 --> 01:19:58,206
the two mobile home parks. Two bedroom cheap bath is

1152
01:19:58,246 --> 01:20:03,166
listed at 175, 000. It's listed at 175, 000 due

1153
01:20:03,187 --> 01:20:07,886
to its location. That seemed mobile home in other cities.

1154
01:20:07,886 --> 01:20:10,126
If you pull a nada value, which is a Kelly

1155
01:20:10,166 --> 01:20:13,246
blue book value on a mobile home would most likely

1156
01:20:13,347 --> 01:20:16,446
be listed at 50, 000 because it's, it's a mobile

1157
01:20:16,486 --> 01:20:19,406
home. So we, if this is something that we plan

1158
01:20:19,446 --> 01:20:22,846
to adopt, we would want to look at the fair

1159
01:20:22,886 --> 01:20:27,246
return for the land owners themselves, selling a mobile home

1160
01:20:27,427 --> 01:20:31,486
that's worth 50, 000 for 200, 250, 000 is something

1161
01:20:31,526 --> 01:20:37,110
we should all be looking at. Um, the other thing,

1162
01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:39,675
I do understand hardships. By the way, I've been in

1163
01:20:39,856 --> 01:20:43,675
the mobile home industry only in California for 19 years.

1164
01:20:43,675 --> 01:20:46,875
And one of my biggest things is engagement with homeowners.

1165
01:20:46,875 --> 01:20:48,795
And getting to know the communities, which is why we

1166
01:20:48,835 --> 01:20:53,035
have homeowner meetings. We do offer a low income assistance

1167
01:20:53,075 --> 01:20:56,715
program. So if any homeowner came to us with an

1168
01:20:56,736 --> 01:20:59,435
increase that they received, we have a program that they

1169
01:20:59,475 --> 01:21:03,435
can apply without rent increase would not go into place.

1170
01:21:03,435 --> 01:21:05,995
We would freeze that wrench increase because we do understand

1171
01:21:06,976 --> 01:21:11,060
hardships and everything that the homeowners go through. Um, I

1172
01:21:11,081 --> 01:21:14,580
just feel very passionate that we are good park owners.

1173
01:21:14,580 --> 01:21:18,580
We do what's right. I have some stats that are

1174
01:21:18,761 --> 01:21:23,940
total operating expenses for last year was 985, 000 dollars

1175
01:21:24,441 --> 01:21:26,900
We did road work. We brought in a brand new

1176
01:21:26,921 --> 01:21:30,660
house. We did our tree trimming snow removal, thankfully was

1177
01:21:30,681 --> 01:21:33,540
not as bad as it was in 2023 when we

1178
01:21:33,580 --> 01:21:35,540
first took over. I'll be the first one to say

1179
01:21:35,961 --> 01:21:40,340
we were not prepared for that because we're in Sacramento.

1180
01:21:40,340 --> 01:21:43,680
Yeah, we sure did. We plan for that now, but

1181
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:49,700
we are genuinely invested in making the Sierra Holiday a

1182
01:21:49,700 --> 01:21:52,518
good mobile home park. So I just wanted to share

1183
01:21:52,518 --> 01:21:54,918
that with you. Okay, just a quick question. I think

1184
01:21:54,918 --> 01:21:56,278
you can ask, I don't think you can ask questions

1185
01:21:56,379 --> 01:22:01,238
for public comments, but maybe afterwards we could. So like

1186
01:22:01,499 --> 01:22:03,478
that's... I would like to meet with the city council

1187
01:22:03,478 --> 01:22:05,758
of being. I would love to get your information. So

1188
01:22:05,758 --> 01:22:07,078
I think we would love to hear from you more.

1189
01:22:07,078 --> 01:22:08,918
But thank you so very much. Thanks for your questions.

1190
01:22:10,139 --> 01:22:17,377
Okay, any other public comments. Hi, my name's Harry. I'm

1191
01:22:17,478 --> 01:22:20,257
an owner and resident at Ski Trail, and I very

1192
01:22:20,257 --> 01:22:23,857
much appreciate the other park owners speaking today, and it

1193
01:22:23,857 --> 01:22:28,017
really exemplifies the contrast, this stark contrast between the two

1194
01:22:28,118 --> 01:22:30,577
parks that we have in our town. I would very

1195
01:22:30,577 --> 01:22:33,057
much like the owners of Ski Trail to be involved

1196
01:22:33,718 --> 01:22:36,177
to be caring to be able to freeze Ren if

1197
01:22:36,198 --> 01:22:39,777
we express hardship. It is extremely different, and I'm very

1198
01:22:39,798 --> 01:22:41,917
grateful for you to speak. Thank you very much, and

1199
01:22:41,917 --> 01:22:44,337
thank you for doing what you're doing for your community.

1200
01:22:44,337 --> 01:22:48,131
However, none of that, unfortunately, applies to ski trail. So

1201
01:22:48,171 --> 01:22:50,691
I just wanted to bring that to attention unless the

1202
01:22:50,712 --> 01:22:56,399
owners of ski trail are here to speak. Here, we'll

1203
01:22:56,399 --> 01:23:00,374
do that thing for. No, I mean, the park owners

1204
01:23:00,395 --> 01:23:03,734
themselves. I don't believe are here to represent the park

1205
01:23:03,774 --> 01:23:06,614
operator. The park operator, yes. And we have many residents

1206
01:23:06,875 --> 01:23:09,254
at ski trail here, and that is what brought all

1207
01:23:09,254 --> 01:23:11,814
of this to the attention of the town is specifically

1208
01:23:12,235 --> 01:23:14,134
the park of ski trails. So again, thank you for

1209
01:23:14,174 --> 01:23:16,374
coming and sharing that, and I just want to make

1210
01:23:16,374 --> 01:23:18,534
sure that everyone is aware it is a very, very

1211
01:23:18,574 --> 01:23:22,407
different situation. I would like to just ask one question

1212
01:23:22,668 --> 01:23:25,699
to the lawyers, if that's okay. Um, I think what

1213
01:23:25,739 --> 01:23:27,939
we should do is if there are questions we can

1214
01:23:27,939 --> 01:23:31,199
take down the notes, and then at the end, our

1215
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:37,619
staff could respond or respond. This question refers to the

1216
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,659
Ski Trail is trying to get all of the owners

1217
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:46,019
and residents to sign new leases. And inside that lease,

1218
01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:50,259
it states that any rent control ordinances will not apply.

1219
01:23:50,259 --> 01:23:52,899
Um, they're claiming that they're going digital. This is their

1220
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,379
argument. However, they're telling us we have to come in

1221
01:23:55,419 --> 01:23:58,339
person and sign physical paper to go digital. So I

1222
01:23:58,339 --> 01:24:00,419
just want to bring that to everyone's attention and ask

1223
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,899
if the legal grounds, because I know some people have

1224
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:07,779
unknowingly signed that lease. And if there's any legal standing

1225
01:24:07,819 --> 01:24:10,579
in that should have read control ordinance pass. Okay. Thank

1226
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:13,459
you so much. Any other public comments from anyone in

1227
01:24:13,459 --> 01:24:18,275
the room? Come on to the podium. Hi, my name's.

1228
01:24:19,020 --> 01:24:21,479
My name's Will. I've lived in ski trails for almost

1229
01:24:21,980 --> 01:24:27,175
seven years. Um, back, my comment is about the fair

1230
01:24:27,215 --> 01:24:31,185
return. For the owner. Uh, the owners of ski trails

1231
01:24:31,185 --> 01:24:34,750
have owned that park since the 70s. Uh, I don't

1232
01:24:34,750 --> 01:24:36,990
know how long, I don't know if they give out

1233
01:24:37,411 --> 01:24:40,190
50 - plus - year mortgages, but that park and

1234
01:24:40,190 --> 01:24:42,990
that land has long been since paid off. I heard

1235
01:24:43,091 --> 01:24:46,270
a rumor that their annual tax bill is 14, 000

1236
01:24:46,310 --> 01:24:52,129
dollars. I don't have my phone on me, but I

1237
01:24:52,129 --> 01:24:56,581
did the math at 1, 500 dollars a month. You're

1238
01:24:56,581 --> 01:25:00,535
close to 1. 2 million dollars a year. Even if

1239
01:25:02,156 --> 01:25:05,175
our only amenities are snow removal and trash. So if

1240
01:25:05,215 --> 01:25:09,095
trash was 1, 000 dollars a day, which it's not,

1241
01:25:09,356 --> 01:25:12,455
you would still be left with close to 900, 000

1242
01:25:12,495 --> 01:25:18,215
dollars of pure profit minus your 14, 000 tax. You're

1243
01:25:18,215 --> 01:25:23,335
at 886, 000 dollars. I doubt they're paying the snow

1244
01:25:23,436 --> 01:25:26,675
plow guy. We have the worst snow removal ever, and

1245
01:25:26,675 --> 01:25:29,735
they constantly refer to that as a big expense. I

1246
01:25:29,735 --> 01:25:32,375
don't think the snow plow guy is receiving 10, 000

1247
01:25:32,415 --> 01:25:35,495
dollars every day that he comes in. Does it even

1248
01:25:35,495 --> 01:25:38,415
if he did, like he still doesn't come 20, we

1249
01:25:38,415 --> 01:25:40,855
don't have 20 storm days with him doing that. So

1250
01:25:41,116 --> 01:25:46,149
we talk about a fair return. How much, how many

1251
01:25:46,650 --> 01:25:51,589
hundreds of thousands of dollars is fair for the owners

1252
01:25:51,629 --> 01:25:57,109
of this park to receive? And then back to their

1253
01:25:57,149 --> 01:26:05,077
response. With the owners'response to the accusations or whatever.

1254
01:26:07,502 --> 01:26:10,441
They say that tree works, no removal and maintenance are

1255
01:26:10,462 --> 01:26:16,121
ongoing citing contractors, inspections, and, uh, HCD inspections. I've never

1256
01:26:16,161 --> 01:26:18,841
seen anything repaired in our park the last seven years

1257
01:26:19,102 --> 01:26:22,921
I've been there. Uh, there's no mention in here of

1258
01:26:23,342 --> 01:26:28,601
the poor management that we receive from blizzard property management.

1259
01:26:28,601 --> 01:26:32,921
Uh, I cannot stress how arrogant the owners of this

1260
01:26:33,182 --> 01:26:36,921
park are. And that's why I like that the operators

1261
01:26:37,022 --> 01:26:39,001
of the other park were here that shows that they

1262
01:26:39,022 --> 01:26:43,014
actually care. I'm very surprised you've even got an answer

1263
01:26:43,054 --> 01:26:48,614
from the owners to respond to this, but I'm begging

1264
01:26:48,614 --> 01:26:52,294
this council to do something because the owners of our

1265
01:26:52,555 --> 01:26:56,854
park are on par by seven percent every year to

1266
01:26:56,955 --> 01:27:00,294
displace over 60 families out of their homes as their

1267
01:27:00,315 --> 01:27:02,694
final legacy. The owners of our park are in their

1268
01:27:02,734 --> 01:27:05,334
80s and late 70s. They're some of the most arrogant

1269
01:27:05,374 --> 01:27:07,974
people you will ever meet. I'm sure at some point

1270
01:27:07,995 --> 01:27:11,154
somebody that this town council has dealt with them, but

1271
01:27:11,435 --> 01:27:14,054
like I said, they are on par to kick out

1272
01:27:14,235 --> 01:27:17,574
60 plus people from their helms every year making our

1273
01:27:17,614 --> 01:27:22,374
homes worth less and less money. Like every rat increase.

1274
01:27:22,374 --> 01:27:25,414
My home probably went down over 200 dollars in value

1275
01:27:25,675 --> 01:27:28,932
just in the afternoon being in this room. And I

1276
01:27:28,953 --> 01:27:33,012
beg you guys, please take this seriously. I see that

1277
01:27:33,033 --> 01:27:35,012
you guys have taken it seriously, but I'm begging you

1278
01:27:35,353 --> 01:27:37,892
to use all the power that this town council has

1279
01:27:38,553 --> 01:27:41,892
to help our residents here. One of our residents drives

1280
01:27:41,932 --> 01:27:46,132
the bus, the other resident, uh, runs the taxi company

1281
01:27:46,153 --> 01:27:48,932
in this town. Hari is a nurse full - time

1282
01:27:49,113 --> 01:27:53,890
at our hospital. Like one other resident is the head

1283
01:27:53,890 --> 01:27:56,530
of Parks and Rec. These are not people on vacation.

1284
01:27:56,530 --> 01:27:59,010
We are all hardworking people and we are being taken

1285
01:27:59,031 --> 01:28:01,970
advantage of every single day by the owners of this

1286
01:28:02,010 --> 01:28:07,061
park and by blizzard property management. And I just thank

1287
01:28:07,061 --> 01:28:10,181
you for hearing us out. And I hope that you

1288
01:28:10,221 --> 01:28:12,661
guys can do everything you can to help us. Thank

1289
01:28:12,661 --> 01:28:17,928
you. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Any other

1290
01:28:17,949 --> 01:28:20,248
public comments from anyone in the room? Come on down.

1291
01:28:28,058 --> 01:28:31,820
Hello. My name is Sophia Flores. I've been a local

1292
01:28:31,921 --> 01:28:35,260
residence since 1997 and I am also resident at the

1293
01:28:35,361 --> 01:28:38,850
mobile home park. And I grew up in the Sarah

1294
01:28:38,871 --> 01:28:40,770
mobile Home Park here in town. So I am very

1295
01:28:40,871 --> 01:28:43,435
familiar with both of them now. Um, and I just

1296
01:28:43,456 --> 01:28:48,155
want to say that the residents were not naive of

1297
01:28:48,155 --> 01:28:51,407
what it takes to have property value. We're not. And

1298
01:28:51,447 --> 01:28:55,993
we're not asking to take away from profit. What we're

1299
01:28:55,993 --> 01:29:00,978
asking is just for stability and housing. So we are,

1300
01:29:01,018 --> 01:29:03,938
we want to work with the particle nerves. We want

1301
01:29:03,938 --> 01:29:07,298
to make sure that this is something that doesn't hurt

1302
01:29:07,338 --> 01:29:10,178
the residents or, you know, like it doesn't, um, have

1303
01:29:10,218 --> 01:29:12,498
those kind of negative effects, but we do realize that

1304
01:29:13,399 --> 01:29:16,338
the rent increases are just too much for the working

1305
01:29:16,359 --> 01:29:19,458
families. And that is what the mobile home parks are.

1306
01:29:19,458 --> 01:29:23,538
We have maybe a few second homeowners. Um, I didn't

1307
01:29:23,538 --> 01:29:25,458
realize it was that high with this here at mobile

1308
01:29:25,498 --> 01:29:29,409
home park, but in ours, we know our neighbors. Um,

1309
01:29:29,449 --> 01:29:32,209
and so, and they're all part of the workforce community

1310
01:29:32,249 --> 01:29:35,249
here. And when we're talking about money, this town will

1311
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:38,609
lose more money losing those residents who can't afford to

1312
01:29:38,609 --> 01:29:41,409
live here anymore. And you're talking about the places in

1313
01:29:41,409 --> 01:29:45,409
town that are supposed to be the most economical places

1314
01:29:45,409 --> 01:29:48,969
to live. The cheapest places that you can buy. And

1315
01:29:48,990 --> 01:29:51,402
yet families are being pushed out. And so that's where

1316
01:29:51,503 --> 01:29:54,679
our concern is. And so we don't, like I said,

1317
01:29:54,679 --> 01:29:57,159
we don't want to take away profit. We just want

1318
01:29:57,159 --> 01:30:01,775
to make it fair housing. Because we own property too.

1319
01:30:01,775 --> 01:30:04,815
And that's why we are such a sensitive protected class.

1320
01:30:05,131 --> 01:30:07,670
Because we own our homes, but we don't own the

1321
01:30:07,691 --> 01:30:10,530
land. And so that's why this is such a complex

1322
01:30:11,031 --> 01:30:13,890
case. And so thank you for adding this and the

1323
01:30:13,890 --> 01:30:17,490
agenda. And again, I just push that we continue to

1324
01:30:17,530 --> 01:30:21,570
have these conversations as a community because it's, it's complex,

1325
01:30:21,570 --> 01:30:26,530
but it's, I think we're valuable people of our community

1326
01:30:26,871 --> 01:30:29,570
and we are worth the time and the energy and

1327
01:30:29,610 --> 01:30:33,745
the money that this will have. Thank you. Thank you

1328
01:30:33,785 --> 01:30:37,731
so much. Any other public comments from anyone in the

1329
01:30:37,731 --> 01:30:43,505
room. Do you guys want to like start a line

1330
01:30:43,545 --> 01:30:47,585
behind anybody else want to talk to one comment to

1331
01:30:47,625 --> 01:30:49,585
add to all of that. Um, I think it's very

1332
01:30:49,606 --> 01:30:54,145
important that the town supports, um, our citizens here and

1333
01:30:54,145 --> 01:30:58,945
trying to find, um, longer term solution as it relates

1334
01:30:58,945 --> 01:31:01,425
to rent control. But I like to pick out the

1335
01:31:01,606 --> 01:31:04,145
low hanging fruit here and just point out we have

1336
01:31:04,145 --> 01:31:07,505
a dispensable space issue. Residents of the park have complained

1337
01:31:07,545 --> 01:31:09,825
to me about how they're not allowed to trim the

1338
01:31:09,926 --> 01:31:13,665
trees and that, um, that the park owners not doing

1339
01:31:13,766 --> 01:31:16,722
anything. So there are places are in danger. And the

1340
01:31:16,823 --> 01:31:20,322
greater community of Mammoth Lakes is in danger if we

1341
01:31:20,423 --> 01:31:22,322
have an issue like that. So I would just like

1342
01:31:22,903 --> 01:31:26,082
to encourage the council to direct staff to work with

1343
01:31:26,263 --> 01:31:30,402
HCD to work on those issues because I think the

1344
01:31:30,823 --> 01:31:36,802
power with the town complaining to HCD besides just individual

1345
01:31:36,823 --> 01:31:40,972
residents. That's all I have. Thank you. Any other public

1346
01:31:40,993 --> 01:31:46,266
comments from anyone in the room. No. Anyone online? No.

1347
01:31:47,426 --> 01:31:53,245
Okay. Um, so staff, would you be able to or

1348
01:31:53,346 --> 01:31:56,365
Sergio would you be able to answer the question about,

1349
01:31:56,365 --> 01:31:58,685
um, is it legal or would it be held up

1350
01:31:58,706 --> 01:32:04,120
in court. Uh, with a mobile home owner signing a

1351
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:08,600
paper that said that future mobile home, uh, caps, rent

1352
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:14,024
caps would not apply to them. Um, so I'll address

1353
01:32:14,205 --> 01:32:16,744
two comments that were made. One. I did pull up

1354
01:32:17,005 --> 01:32:20,424
the legislation for 11, 80, 11, 28. And it does

1355
01:32:20,464 --> 01:32:24,824
appear that that was, uh, gutted and substantially revised within

1356
01:32:24,864 --> 01:32:29,064
the last few days since the agenda was published. So

1357
01:32:29,485 --> 01:32:36,697
surprise. Um, with regards to the, um, rent control issue,

1358
01:32:36,697 --> 01:32:42,364
um, historically, uh. State, uh, state, uh, law had a

1359
01:32:42,364 --> 01:32:44,684
provision that long - term leases of more than 12

1360
01:32:44,724 --> 01:32:49,722
months were exempt from local rent ordinances. Uh, however, AB

1361
01:32:49,823 --> 01:32:57,322
2782 basically capped, uh, narrowed that exemption and any lease

1362
01:32:57,362 --> 01:33:00,682
of any length signed after 2020 is no longer exempt

1363
01:33:00,722 --> 01:33:04,392
from local rent control. Uh, so to the extent that

1364
01:33:04,432 --> 01:33:09,432
local leases have provisions saying that they waive local rent

1365
01:33:09,432 --> 01:33:13,192
control regulations. Those portions of the leases are likely void.

1366
01:33:13,192 --> 01:33:17,827
Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. Okay.

1367
01:33:18,867 --> 01:33:21,646
Well, would you like to tell me your thoughts, Brent?

1368
01:33:22,067 --> 01:33:23,646
Well, I'll start with this way. And it was going

1369
01:33:23,646 --> 01:33:25,486
to be, I was curious when Jennifer was up here

1370
01:33:25,486 --> 01:33:28,046
with the other trailer park, what their rates have increased

1371
01:33:28,046 --> 01:33:30,366
have been over the several years just in comparison to

1372
01:33:30,547 --> 01:33:33,646
know overall, because we seem to have a very focused

1373
01:33:33,667 --> 01:33:37,166
audience here. I'm not that trailer park, but the other

1374
01:33:37,166 --> 01:33:41,458
one, that standpoint. My portion is, is that I think

1375
01:33:41,639 --> 01:33:44,178
there's an opportunity for us here to engage HTT from

1376
01:33:44,199 --> 01:33:47,618
staff, try to help see if we can help exploit

1377
01:33:47,618 --> 01:33:50,098
some of the complaints that have been there. And I

1378
01:33:50,098 --> 01:33:52,418
think we should be taking a look at what this

1379
01:33:52,418 --> 01:33:55,938
really takes to implement an ordinance and make sure that

1380
01:33:56,119 --> 01:33:58,258
we've evaluated the cost and make sure that it makes

1381
01:33:58,258 --> 01:34:02,818
sense in that direction. But for me, I'm favoring, we

1382
01:34:02,858 --> 01:34:04,738
asked the staff to come back with what's us take

1383
01:34:04,738 --> 01:34:06,578
to put in order to place and not just a

1384
01:34:06,618 --> 01:34:08,818
presentation today, but what's the real nuts and bolts to

1385
01:34:08,818 --> 01:34:13,916
make this happen. Okay. John. Um. This is a very

1386
01:34:14,417 --> 01:34:18,396
interesting situation. Um, and this is, I think the true

1387
01:34:18,417 --> 01:34:21,944
value of living in a small town. Living in a

1388
01:34:21,965 --> 01:34:28,024
small community, uh, we have powerful levers to use to

1389
01:34:28,024 --> 01:34:31,247
try to address something like this. Um, I have questions

1390
01:34:31,268 --> 01:34:33,647
for staff that I don't want to get into here.

1391
01:34:34,660 --> 01:34:37,839
Um, I very much thank the woman from the park

1392
01:34:37,879 --> 01:34:41,839
who came forward. And advised we have a civil situation

1393
01:34:42,580 --> 01:34:46,719
in our park. We're conscientious and we care about people

1394
01:34:46,759 --> 01:34:50,479
that live there. It's an interesting idiosyncrasies around second homeowners

1395
01:34:50,660 --> 01:34:52,159
and lightly rentals. We spent a lot of time going

1396
01:34:52,180 --> 01:34:56,719
through that in years past. And I'm sensing that their

1397
01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:01,279
opportunities there, uh, I would hesitate at this point to

1398
01:35:01,319 --> 01:35:04,319
start bringing in sort of a government mandate to try

1399
01:35:04,359 --> 01:35:07,279
to address this problem. Because we seems like we have

1400
01:35:07,279 --> 01:35:09,119
an example of something that seems to be working pretty

1401
01:35:09,159 --> 01:35:13,039
well. And we have an example with perhaps some individuals.

1402
01:35:13,039 --> 01:35:15,199
I don't know these people. I'm not casting any Expersions

1403
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:19,119
up here at the dais. Perhaps there's some cultural problems

1404
01:35:19,140 --> 01:35:21,919
going on over there. Um, and I think it's worth

1405
01:35:22,340 --> 01:35:26,639
exploring that, um, and exploring like the levers we would

1406
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:29,439
have with HCD as a town to look at what's

1407
01:35:29,540 --> 01:35:31,119
kind of going on over there and to see if

1408
01:35:31,119 --> 01:35:32,879
we could maybe try to get some of those things

1409
01:35:33,300 --> 01:35:38,239
into compliance, uh, before getting into, um, I mean, this,

1410
01:35:38,260 --> 01:35:42,065
this whole environment. Litigation, all the rest of it. I

1411
01:35:42,105 --> 01:35:44,365
don't know if that's going to make anybody happy. Uh,

1412
01:35:44,365 --> 01:35:48,705
so I would, I would want to explore other local,

1413
01:35:48,705 --> 01:35:51,745
uh, options before getting into something like that. But that's

1414
01:35:51,766 --> 01:35:54,305
my thought. But again, I've got some questions for staff

1415
01:35:54,726 --> 01:35:57,865
and questions for residents, people living in these places. I

1416
01:35:57,865 --> 01:35:59,585
like to do some fact finding here to see what's

1417
01:35:59,606 --> 01:36:05,179
kind of what's going on. Okay. Thank you. Um, I

1418
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,899
agree that I think that we need to petition HCD

1419
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:11,259
to make sure that the complaints that have been hopefully

1420
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:16,059
filed, if not filed, like I think that, um, you

1421
01:36:16,059 --> 01:36:18,859
know, we need to, there are a few things at

1422
01:36:18,859 --> 01:36:21,019
play where it seems like there are issues with the

1423
01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,819
living standards. But then there is a separate issue of

1424
01:36:24,160 --> 01:36:28,779
affordability. And so, um, I would be in favor of

1425
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:34,619
modeling in ordinance on AB 1128, you know, capping the

1426
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:42,741
rent at five percent plus CPI, whatever's lower. So I

1427
01:36:42,741 --> 01:36:44,941
mean, I think that we need to take steps. I

1428
01:36:44,941 --> 01:36:47,621
think that it's going to get less affordable. So I

1429
01:36:47,621 --> 01:36:51,301
don't know if Jennifer, she's still in the room. I

1430
01:36:51,301 --> 01:36:53,381
mean, I would love for our staff to talk with

1431
01:36:53,421 --> 01:37:00,984
her and see, you know, just kind of see. What

1432
01:37:01,024 --> 01:37:04,984
is reasonable from her standpoint and, you know, and then

1433
01:37:04,984 --> 01:37:11,300
also have staff talk with, um, the mobile home. Uh,

1434
01:37:11,481 --> 01:37:14,580
owners here tonight, you know, to see what's reasonable from

1435
01:37:15,001 --> 01:37:17,460
their point of view. Cause I do think, I mean,

1436
01:37:17,961 --> 01:37:21,140
that's 60 community members that, you know, work in our

1437
01:37:21,140 --> 01:37:24,340
hospitals, you know, their kids go to our schools. Like

1438
01:37:24,340 --> 01:37:29,440
we have to keep their housing affordable. And, you know,

1439
01:37:29,561 --> 01:37:34,660
it's much, much more affordable to draft an ordinance and

1440
01:37:34,761 --> 01:37:37,860
cap rent than it is to find housing for 60

1441
01:37:38,041 --> 01:37:41,700
family lates. And I would agree with completely what you're

1442
01:37:41,700 --> 01:37:43,380
saying. I'm just looking at what is going to be

1443
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:47,904
the most effective and efficient solution. And I, and I,

1444
01:37:47,904 --> 01:37:50,384
I, I would hesitate, I mean, it's fine to explore

1445
01:37:50,405 --> 01:37:51,944
an ordinance. We can start looking at those kinds of

1446
01:37:52,005 --> 01:37:54,064
things, but I think it's going to be in the

1447
01:37:54,104 --> 01:37:58,304
community's interests if we as a community can deal with

1448
01:37:58,325 --> 01:38:02,144
these issues on a human community - based level. I

1449
01:38:02,184 --> 01:38:06,384
think once you start bringing in ordinances, you know, things

1450
01:38:06,424 --> 01:38:09,184
like that. Trust is going to go out the window

1451
01:38:09,525 --> 01:38:13,344
right away, which maybe that's okay. But I'm not based

1452
01:38:13,384 --> 01:38:19,344
on the litigious history of this, the very complex nature

1453
01:38:19,344 --> 01:38:23,914
of it. It's described by both attorneys. It gives me

1454
01:38:23,935 --> 01:38:26,674
some pause to think that that is necessarily going to

1455
01:38:26,735 --> 01:38:29,954
be the solution we're looking for. But there is, I

1456
01:38:29,954 --> 01:38:37,174
mean, like other renters in town are protected by, you

1457
01:38:37,174 --> 01:38:41,194
know, what is it like CPI up to 10 percent

1458
01:38:41,295 --> 01:38:44,954
annual increases in your rent and mobile homes are excluded

1459
01:38:44,994 --> 01:38:48,234
from that. And so I think that it's very reasonable

1460
01:38:49,055 --> 01:38:53,114
to, you know, we only have two mobile home parks.

1461
01:38:53,114 --> 01:38:56,234
Like I think that we could figure out something that

1462
01:38:56,274 --> 01:39:00,234
would be reasonable for the park operators and the mobile

1463
01:39:00,274 --> 01:39:04,394
home owners. And, you know, make sure that we keep

1464
01:39:04,415 --> 01:39:08,794
that affordable housing for our community numbers. No, I absolutely

1465
01:39:08,895 --> 01:39:12,314
agree with, with the goal that you're articulating. Absolutely great

1466
01:39:12,354 --> 01:39:14,714
with that. I'm just trying to think about what is

1467
01:39:14,714 --> 01:39:17,594
going to be the most effective, efficient way to get

1468
01:39:17,695 --> 01:39:21,594
there. It's government is not efficient. Well, that's what I'm

1469
01:39:21,594 --> 01:39:24,634
saying. It's like, I would like to keep Sacramento out

1470
01:39:24,634 --> 01:39:26,634
of this if we can. If we can find a

1471
01:39:26,634 --> 01:39:30,394
way to do, cause again, we're so remote. We're so

1472
01:39:30,394 --> 01:39:34,794
far away. I mean, you know, the question about comps,

1473
01:39:34,794 --> 01:39:37,194
like what's reasonable return, all the getting into all that

1474
01:39:37,194 --> 01:39:40,794
kind of nonsense. If we can find some way to,

1475
01:39:40,794 --> 01:39:43,434
uh, be investing in our culture, investing in our small

1476
01:39:43,474 --> 01:39:45,994
committee to achieve the goals you're talking about. I would

1477
01:39:46,034 --> 01:39:48,394
lean that way for now. But I have no, no

1478
01:39:48,434 --> 01:39:51,034
issue with exploring ordinances or doing it. And because we're

1479
01:39:51,615 --> 01:39:54,154
government organization, I guess we can't suggest to Jennifer that

1480
01:39:54,194 --> 01:39:56,234
maybe they should acquire another trailer park within the community.

1481
01:39:58,885 --> 01:40:02,704
And well, yeah, I mean, maybe they exactly. I mean,

1482
01:40:03,365 --> 01:40:07,504
things like that, solutions like that, uh, but I'm interested

1483
01:40:07,605 --> 01:40:10,544
in exploring all solutions at this point. But again, I,

1484
01:40:10,584 --> 01:40:16,384
I mean, this litigation legislative nightmare is something that I,

1485
01:40:16,384 --> 01:40:19,530
it just gives me pause. Um, what do you need

1486
01:40:19,551 --> 01:40:25,999
from us tonight. I'm sorry. I was just texting Andy

1487
01:40:26,660 --> 01:40:29,919
question. Um, he's in Alaska. Is that? Yeah. He looked

1488
01:40:29,959 --> 01:40:32,159
like he was laying in bed. I am not going

1489
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:35,239
to say they are all recovering from a cold. So

1490
01:40:35,239 --> 01:40:38,399
I, so I understand. Yeah. So we've been talking a

1491
01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:41,119
little bit here about, you know, options. I think John,

1492
01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:44,239
the directions you're going are having conversations locally with folks

1493
01:40:44,660 --> 01:40:47,599
that either owners management or anything else from a town's

1494
01:40:47,599 --> 01:40:51,179
perspective. You know, we've, we've all heard and received, you

1495
01:40:51,179 --> 01:40:55,999
know, notes, letters and, you know, public comment coming in

1496
01:40:55,999 --> 01:40:59,119
from the operator. The one thing I ask, Nolan, is

1497
01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:00,719
the opportunity to sit down with them face to face

1498
01:41:00,759 --> 01:41:03,679
and have a conversation about what they're creating here and

1499
01:41:03,780 --> 01:41:07,199
the hands that they're forcing into a space where all

1500
01:41:07,620 --> 01:41:09,679
the things that you're describing, which none of us want

1501
01:41:09,719 --> 01:41:13,707
to partake in are only option. And so, um, I

1502
01:41:13,707 --> 01:41:16,667
think that would be step one. Uh, I know Nolan

1503
01:41:16,707 --> 01:41:21,947
has been sharing information about HCD hotlines both English and

1504
01:41:21,987 --> 01:41:24,587
Spanish with folks that have been interested in understanding that

1505
01:41:24,608 --> 01:41:27,787
process. Um, interesting to hear that the town itself can

1506
01:41:27,827 --> 01:41:30,667
have an influence on that if we're going on behalf

1507
01:41:30,667 --> 01:41:33,927
of someone, uh, that's never been something that, you know,

1508
01:41:34,208 --> 01:41:36,567
been communicated to me at least. And we're not, uh,

1509
01:41:36,608 --> 01:41:38,187
we're not doing that right now. Like we're not reaching

1510
01:41:38,208 --> 01:41:41,387
out to HED. We don't have a lot of civil,

1511
01:41:41,387 --> 01:41:43,227
a lot of, uh, community members believe that the town

1512
01:41:43,968 --> 01:41:46,107
gets involved in everything that goes on civilly. And we

1513
01:41:46,128 --> 01:41:48,187
just don't, right? We don't have any jurisdiction. But if

1514
01:41:48,208 --> 01:41:51,987
there's, if there's effort that would produce results based on

1515
01:41:52,048 --> 01:41:54,747
our involvement, I have no problem doing that. Right. So

1516
01:41:55,568 --> 01:41:59,147
we'll do a little exploration on that as well to

1517
01:41:59,147 --> 01:42:02,507
understand that. So tonight, you know, I think we wanted

1518
01:42:02,547 --> 01:42:06,427
to give the opportunity for, um, our, uh, our attorneys

1519
01:42:06,467 --> 01:42:10,747
here to share the information that we had. I think,

1520
01:42:10,747 --> 01:42:12,187
you know, what I've heard is there's some desire to

1521
01:42:12,528 --> 01:42:15,627
kind of move forward with something quickly. Um, there's a

1522
01:42:15,667 --> 01:42:19,387
desire for us to maybe do some legwork internally here.

1523
01:42:19,427 --> 01:42:22,347
Well, I'll disqualify that. I think doing things quickly is,

1524
01:42:22,387 --> 01:42:25,067
is kind of imperative. But I think if I think

1525
01:42:25,067 --> 01:42:26,827
what you're saying, Rob, is you've heard that the town

1526
01:42:27,008 --> 01:42:29,547
could actually be speaking on behalf of people. And we

1527
01:42:29,587 --> 01:42:32,907
haven't done that yet. I think if the easy short

1528
01:42:33,008 --> 01:42:35,387
term wins or things to explore, I think we should

1529
01:42:35,408 --> 01:42:37,885
start doing that right away. Yeah. And I think we

1530
01:42:37,885 --> 01:42:40,485
can, we can do that in obvious communicate with council

1531
01:42:40,746 --> 01:42:43,685
on the outcome of that efforts, not at a council

1532
01:42:43,685 --> 01:42:47,045
meeting, but, you know, real time as it occurs to

1533
01:42:47,066 --> 01:42:50,085
give folks an understanding of that. Um, I very clear

1534
01:42:50,125 --> 01:42:53,925
that there's an interest in getting something accomplished as quickly

1535
01:42:53,925 --> 01:42:57,685
as possible. So on the lens or anything else you

1536
01:42:58,106 --> 01:43:03,670
have for tonight. No, I think we can, we can,

1537
01:43:03,670 --> 01:43:07,630
um, definitely take out on those efforts, engage with, I

1538
01:43:07,630 --> 01:43:12,470
think both Park owners, their management, residents, um, summarize those

1539
01:43:12,510 --> 01:43:18,710
efforts. And then, um, work with Andy to potentially agendize

1540
01:43:18,731 --> 01:43:21,590
a future policy or discussion item because we would have

1541
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:25,670
to have that, um, receive any formal direction than from

1542
01:43:25,851 --> 01:43:28,510
Town Council to move to move forward on something. So

1543
01:43:28,510 --> 01:43:32,710
I think us reaching out summarizing that effort summarizing what

1544
01:43:32,971 --> 01:43:35,910
we've learned from those efforts and then bringing it back

1545
01:43:35,950 --> 01:43:39,430
to a future meeting is really there. I think it

1546
01:43:39,430 --> 01:43:42,550
would be helpful if the way to include council members

1547
01:43:42,651 --> 01:43:48,150
in these meetings of these discussions as appropriate. You know,

1548
01:43:48,150 --> 01:43:50,150
one of the three or four versus something to be

1549
01:43:50,190 --> 01:43:53,830
to hear these conversations. It's not a. Which means are

1550
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:55,430
you talking about? Well, if they're having meetings with the

1551
01:43:55,470 --> 01:43:57,830
park owners meeting with residents and things like that so

1552
01:43:57,830 --> 01:44:00,150
we can, it'd be more efficient so we can hear

1553
01:44:00,731 --> 01:44:03,270
what folks are saying instead of just being brought in

1554
01:44:03,531 --> 01:44:05,590
when it comes back to care. Exactly. Instead of just

1555
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:07,750
getting a report, Hey, this is what we heard kind

1556
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:08,710
of a thing. I mean, we can do that on

1557
01:44:08,750 --> 01:44:10,310
our own, I guess. But I think it would make

1558
01:44:10,310 --> 01:44:12,270
sense to figure out a way to do that. So

1559
01:44:12,270 --> 01:44:15,830
we're listening as part of that conversation. Next reaction on

1560
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:19,270
that. Cause sometimes when you council member staff, people, you're

1561
01:44:19,270 --> 01:44:22,710
trying to get on feedback could make people. I think

1562
01:44:22,710 --> 01:44:26,470
these people. I think the residents of Mammoth Lakes are

1563
01:44:26,731 --> 01:44:28,950
proud, strong people. And I would hope that, I mean,

1564
01:44:28,950 --> 01:44:32,070
if it's an issue, fine, but tell us. Like that's

1565
01:44:32,070 --> 01:44:33,910
what we're here for. Yeah. Maybe you have, but I've

1566
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:35,750
already engaged in with a number of people. So I'm

1567
01:44:35,750 --> 01:44:38,790
here tonight. Um, I'm already been having one on one

1568
01:44:38,830 --> 01:44:41,110
because I want to make sure this has come as

1569
01:44:41,110 --> 01:44:44,230
a pretty significant issue. And it's affecting the character part

1570
01:44:44,230 --> 01:44:45,670
of our community. And I think we have to address

1571
01:44:45,851 --> 01:44:49,350
it sooner and later. So I've been pretty invested in

1572
01:44:49,390 --> 01:44:53,465
having those conversations already. Okay. Well, I have not been,

1573
01:44:53,465 --> 01:44:56,505
but I'm available if you want me to sit in

1574
01:44:56,505 --> 01:45:02,205
and be part of these conversations. And then I guess

1575
01:45:02,466 --> 01:45:05,565
John, I just wanted to, you know, crunch on numbers

1576
01:45:05,586 --> 01:45:09,325
too. As you know, like, I mean, the Sergio shared

1577
01:45:09,426 --> 01:45:13,725
how much different cities have paid, uh, on litigation costs,

1578
01:45:13,725 --> 01:45:15,645
you know, with the most expensive one being one and

1579
01:45:15,645 --> 01:45:18,045
a half million dollars. I mean, that sounds like a

1580
01:45:18,045 --> 01:45:20,765
lot, but you know, with our bridge program, finding housing

1581
01:45:20,866 --> 01:45:24,685
for 60 families would be like nine to 12 million

1582
01:45:24,706 --> 01:45:29,785
dollars that we would spend subsidizing, purchasing units. So, you

1583
01:45:29,785 --> 01:45:32,525
know, I think that any money that we would put

1584
01:45:32,626 --> 01:45:38,685
into this would be well spent keeping that housing affordable

1585
01:45:39,106 --> 01:45:40,845
for argument. What kind of money are you talking about.

1586
01:45:42,211 --> 01:45:44,910
I'm just saying like one and a half million dollars

1587
01:45:44,931 --> 01:45:49,950
on litigation sounds like a lot. But if you're comparing,

1588
01:45:49,971 --> 01:45:52,990
I've been on this council long enough to remember litigation

1589
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:55,884
issues with the town. It's probably not something we want

1590
01:45:55,884 --> 01:45:58,044
to say that that's, that's a price we can be

1591
01:45:58,044 --> 01:46:00,284
willing to pay. Well, but if we're modeling it on

1592
01:46:00,385 --> 01:46:05,004
other ordinances that have, I'm not convinced, I mean, I'm

1593
01:46:05,004 --> 01:46:07,884
hearing the stressors that are coming in the ski trail

1594
01:46:08,065 --> 01:46:11,989
community. I'm hearing that. Uh, but I'm not convinced yet

1595
01:46:12,090 --> 01:46:17,349
that we don't have to pull out the ultimate legislative,

1596
01:46:17,349 --> 01:46:20,149
you know, legal hammer that that's going to actually get

1597
01:46:20,410 --> 01:46:22,549
us to the solutions that we want. I'm not, I'm

1598
01:46:22,589 --> 01:46:25,509
not convinced that yet. And I'm, you know, if they're,

1599
01:46:25,509 --> 01:46:28,549
if, if there are property owners, they're along the lines

1600
01:46:28,730 --> 01:46:32,069
that the gentleman described. I think that it's, it sounds

1601
01:46:32,090 --> 01:46:33,749
to me that there are things that we could do

1602
01:46:33,789 --> 01:46:37,669
within the, uh, the rule book, they currently exist to

1603
01:46:37,669 --> 01:46:41,909
say, look, you're acting as a bad actor, uh, and

1604
01:46:41,909 --> 01:46:44,869
this council is extremely concerned about what you're doing and

1605
01:46:44,909 --> 01:46:48,149
the risks that you're identifying. So I think until I

1606
01:46:48,170 --> 01:46:52,629
hear something from those landlords, those park owners would say,

1607
01:46:52,629 --> 01:46:54,939
we do not care. We are going to keep doing

1608
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,739
exactly what we're going to do. And as Rob said,

1609
01:46:57,840 --> 01:47:00,859
there is one tool we have left to play, which

1610
01:47:00,859 --> 01:47:03,579
is going to be this. Then I'd be willing to

1611
01:47:03,579 --> 01:47:06,687
go there. I'm not, I'm not there yet. Okay. So

1612
01:47:06,687 --> 01:47:09,007
do you have what you need for tonight? Okay. Yes,

1613
01:47:09,007 --> 01:47:12,535
we do. Thank you. Okay. All right. So, um, that

1614
01:47:12,556 --> 01:47:15,095
is item 8. 1. We're going to move on to

1615
01:47:15,996 --> 01:47:20,615
item 8. 2 update regarding electric vehicle EV charging stations.

1616
01:47:25,036 --> 01:47:26,215
Just give it a minute for the room to clear

1617
01:47:26,215 --> 01:47:26,295
out.

1618
01:47:59,393 --> 01:48:02,650
All right. Hayes is this one. That's me. All right.

1619
01:48:07,053 --> 01:48:11,639
I'm working here. Yes. Okay. So the catalyst for this

1620
01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:15,959
I wrote night, um, is, uh, requests from Tesla for

1621
01:48:16,140 --> 01:48:19,639
expansion of electric vehicle charging stations and town Mammoth Lakes.

1622
01:48:20,353 --> 01:48:24,012
Um, you guys are aware we get asked regularly for

1623
01:48:24,033 --> 01:48:28,155
opportunities to provide charging stations. I suspect that you've heard

1624
01:48:28,195 --> 01:48:31,115
from local residents about needs and desires for different type

1625
01:48:31,136 --> 01:48:34,698
of opportunities. Um, and as you'll hear later in this

1626
01:48:34,698 --> 01:48:37,418
presentation, we don't really have good guidance on as staff

1627
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:40,618
as to how to move these things forward or ignore

1628
01:48:40,658 --> 01:48:43,338
them or whatever the case may be. Uh, but I

1629
01:48:43,338 --> 01:48:44,938
thought it'd be a good opportunity to kind of talk

1630
01:48:44,938 --> 01:48:48,698
a little bit about, um, background of the townstipation and

1631
01:48:48,698 --> 01:48:52,778
providing these services. Um, what I've seen on public property,

1632
01:48:52,778 --> 01:48:56,202
private property, um, little bit about the current request. And

1633
01:48:56,202 --> 01:48:58,242
a little bit of discussion about a policy plan. I

1634
01:48:58,242 --> 01:49:00,522
am not looking for any specific outcome tonight. Not looking

1635
01:49:00,562 --> 01:49:03,242
for any particular decision. Maybe a little bit of guidance

1636
01:49:03,583 --> 01:49:05,802
on where we could go with this, what we could

1637
01:49:05,802 --> 01:49:09,102
be doing. I have some ideas myself. If you guys

1638
01:49:09,102 --> 01:49:13,882
are looking for some input from staff, um, but we're

1639
01:49:14,063 --> 01:49:15,402
going to just have a little bit of a dialogue.

1640
01:49:16,224 --> 01:49:21,323
So, um, going back to 2015 is when we entered

1641
01:49:21,323 --> 01:49:25,163
into the first agreement with Tesla. This is the site,

1642
01:49:25,163 --> 01:49:31,213
the parking right site. There are eight supercharger slide got

1643
01:49:31,213 --> 01:49:33,693
messed up there. It says park and ride eight superchargers.

1644
01:49:34,452 --> 01:49:38,072
Um, this is Tesla only. Um, it's non - exclusive.

1645
01:49:38,820 --> 01:49:40,879
In our agreement, which I'll touch on this. I touched

1646
01:49:40,919 --> 01:49:42,879
on this in the staff report, non - exclusive does

1647
01:49:42,879 --> 01:49:45,279
not mean non - exclusive. Their state law that says

1648
01:49:45,319 --> 01:49:47,919
you can't park in EV spaces. We just don't enforce

1649
01:49:47,919 --> 01:49:50,559
it. It's in all of our agreements that they're non

1650
01:49:50,599 --> 01:49:52,939
- exclusive. So we don't have to take action, but

1651
01:49:53,060 --> 01:49:56,159
state law says that only EVs can start park in

1652
01:49:56,159 --> 01:50:00,202
EV spaces. Um, and we do not charge any lease

1653
01:50:00,242 --> 01:50:03,942
to Tesla. Um, when we put the site together, uh,

1654
01:50:04,143 --> 01:50:07,402
there was a pretty strong demand from visitors and residents

1655
01:50:07,442 --> 01:50:11,946
to provide some type of EV charging. The second site

1656
01:50:11,967 --> 01:50:16,346
came in 2022 with the community recreation center. This was

1657
01:50:16,346 --> 01:50:19,946
part of that whole mobility hub component. We brought EV

1658
01:50:19,946 --> 01:50:24,266
charging, transit, parking, um, and then all the connectivity came

1659
01:50:24,287 --> 01:50:26,426
with the multi - use paths in the sidewalk network

1660
01:50:26,607 --> 01:50:32,365
into one mobility hub. Tesla brought 11 chargers. So there's

1661
01:50:34,466 --> 01:50:37,805
four universal and seven superchargers. And the Universal, this is

1662
01:50:37,986 --> 01:50:41,885
a point of contention where originally J1772 universal part of

1663
01:50:41,885 --> 01:50:44,525
the deal with Tesla was that they would provide free

1664
01:50:44,546 --> 01:50:48,501
charging to non - Tesla vehicles. And at that time

1665
01:50:49,002 --> 01:50:51,701
it was our understanding that they could not charge for

1666
01:50:51,701 --> 01:50:54,901
that service. That did not make it into the agreement.

1667
01:50:54,901 --> 01:50:56,901
And later they found a path forward to charge through

1668
01:50:58,202 --> 01:51:01,381
those lower level chargers. And they currently charged from, which

1669
01:51:01,381 --> 01:51:04,581
is quite disappointing. Guys, one quick question. Uh, when you

1670
01:51:04,581 --> 01:51:11,347
say Tesla only. Uh, I have a small electric vehicle.

1671
01:51:11,347 --> 01:51:15,027
And there are some Tesla charging stations that anybody can

1672
01:51:15,027 --> 01:51:19,987
charge at. And the say for Tesla only. Could you

1673
01:51:20,027 --> 01:51:21,667
clarify what? Yeah. I was going to touch on that

1674
01:51:21,707 --> 01:51:24,227
a little bit later. Okay. Tesla is willing to make

1675
01:51:24,328 --> 01:51:27,844
some adjustments to allow for other vehicles. As part of,

1676
01:51:27,844 --> 01:51:31,204
uh, their, their offer to us. Um, these, these current

1677
01:51:31,225 --> 01:51:35,284
chargers, all the Tesla stations right now are Tesla only

1678
01:51:35,625 --> 01:51:38,964
unless they have very specific OEM and a CS type

1679
01:51:38,985 --> 01:51:42,804
charging infrastructure. It's a very limited stock that can use

1680
01:51:42,844 --> 01:51:48,144
these charges other than Tesla. The universal chargers, Universal, um,

1681
01:51:48,265 --> 01:51:50,564
if you have the right adapters, any vehicle can use

1682
01:51:50,604 --> 01:51:57,437
them. I have certain terminology because the EV world, they

1683
01:51:57,437 --> 01:52:00,797
use so many different terms. Um, and the staff report,

1684
01:52:00,797 --> 01:52:03,357
I try to make it clear that there's fast chargers.

1685
01:52:03,357 --> 01:52:06,557
And then the fast chargers. And then there's Tesla. And

1686
01:52:06,557 --> 01:52:09,917
then there's everybody else. And in that world, those spaces,

1687
01:52:09,938 --> 01:52:14,077
there's a lot of subuses. Just trying to keep it

1688
01:52:14,098 --> 01:52:18,477
simple for everyone so we can have kind of a

1689
01:52:18,498 --> 01:52:20,637
baseline dialogue. Cause you can get lost in the acronyms

1690
01:52:20,738 --> 01:52:26,964
very, very quickly in this space. The third site we

1691
01:52:26,964 --> 01:52:30,404
authorize was in 2023. This is the Electra FI America

1692
01:52:30,444 --> 01:52:33,576
site. This is at the Hillside Parking lot. Um, these

1693
01:52:33,677 --> 01:52:37,336
are six fast chargers. These are not exclusive to Tesla.

1694
01:52:37,376 --> 01:52:39,736
These are universal. So anybody with an EV can use

1695
01:52:39,776 --> 01:52:43,561
them. That happens to write adapters and infrastructure. Um, they

1696
01:52:43,662 --> 01:52:45,801
have an option to add two more on top of

1697
01:52:45,841 --> 01:52:48,121
the six that they're installing right now. We are not

1698
01:52:48,222 --> 01:52:50,706
taking a lease payment on these. Um, like I said,

1699
01:52:50,727 --> 01:52:52,546
they're open to all EVs. And this is currently under

1700
01:52:52,567 --> 01:52:55,586
construction. My understanding. I was out there just the other

1701
01:52:55,586 --> 01:52:59,746
day. Um, they're awaiting some inspections from SCE. That was

1702
01:52:59,746 --> 01:53:03,566
the main challenge with this getting completed last year. Um,

1703
01:53:03,927 --> 01:53:06,046
my understanding is that will be done this week. And

1704
01:53:06,087 --> 01:53:08,706
by the end of next week, they should about have

1705
01:53:08,727 --> 01:53:12,223
about half the site. Buttoned up and people can start

1706
01:53:12,263 --> 01:53:15,663
using it again while they're getting their final inspection setting

1707
01:53:15,703 --> 01:53:18,663
their switch gear, setting their transformers and so forth. So

1708
01:53:18,964 --> 01:53:21,903
I know that has been a difficult thing to deal

1709
01:53:21,903 --> 01:53:24,943
with this summer not having the site available. Um, but

1710
01:53:24,983 --> 01:53:26,623
as you can see in this photo, the giant trench

1711
01:53:26,644 --> 01:53:30,543
down the middle of the parking lot. And the trench

1712
01:53:30,564 --> 01:53:33,183
you can't see that goes perpendicular. So it was not

1713
01:53:33,604 --> 01:53:36,623
safe for the public views. But that should be backfilled

1714
01:53:37,204 --> 01:53:39,502
and slurried in. And by the end of the next

1715
01:53:39,502 --> 01:53:42,462
week, open, uh, at least the majority of the lot.

1716
01:53:45,308 --> 01:53:52,046
And here's another photo. Uh, the fourth site we authorized,

1717
01:53:52,046 --> 01:53:55,086
um, was with EV range. This was just last November.

1718
01:53:56,230 --> 01:53:58,849
Also at the park and ride lot, um, they are

1719
01:53:58,870 --> 01:54:02,689
proposing eight fast chargers, similar to Electrify America that are

1720
01:54:02,710 --> 01:54:06,320
open to any EV. Um, with this one, we took

1721
01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:08,720
a little bit different tact. Um, they didn't typically pay

1722
01:54:09,861 --> 01:54:12,400
lease payments. They had all of these companies have different

1723
01:54:12,440 --> 01:54:16,240
models. Um, however, we were willing to work a deal

1724
01:54:16,240 --> 01:54:18,480
with them to get a 600 dollar month credit for

1725
01:54:18,981 --> 01:54:21,600
Town government vehicles. Um, if we ever move into that

1726
01:54:21,640 --> 01:54:26,160
space, they have a building permit. They've applied for the

1727
01:54:26,181 --> 01:54:28,400
building permit. They've received their building permit, but they have

1728
01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:31,040
not given us a start date for construction. And I

1729
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:34,080
don't have any updates other than that. Sorry. One quick

1730
01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:36,480
question. Is this part of the EV range the federal

1731
01:54:36,581 --> 01:54:38,960
subsidy? Are they part of that federal subsidy program? I

1732
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:43,360
don't know how they're funding this aspect of their operation.

1733
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,920
Um, if you recall and we were going through the

1734
01:54:46,181 --> 01:54:52,080
lease agreement, uh, mothership of EV range and they have

1735
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:56,080
different businesses underneath it. I can't speak to which component

1736
01:54:56,080 --> 01:55:01,440
of the company this is unbelievable. This came up that

1737
01:55:01,701 --> 01:55:03,440
EV range was going to put a bunch of charging

1738
01:55:03,480 --> 01:55:08,645
stations off. So those are the four that we've offered

1739
01:55:09,226 --> 01:55:14,437
town property to private entities to provide this service. Um,

1740
01:55:14,477 --> 01:55:17,797
the town itself is working on a couple of chargers.

1741
01:55:17,797 --> 01:55:19,317
We have three chargers that I'll be at the Town

1742
01:55:19,357 --> 01:55:21,866
Hall. These are beef for government vehicles. We're working with

1743
01:55:22,367 --> 01:55:26,346
ESTON, SCE on four chargers at the STHQ. That's 210

1744
01:55:26,367 --> 01:55:30,506
commerce to support some electric vehicles and buses that they're

1745
01:55:30,506 --> 01:55:35,226
purchasing. Um, our chargers will be up by, well, this

1746
01:55:35,266 --> 01:55:38,266
year. And, uh, Esthers should be sometime next year. It's

1747
01:55:38,266 --> 01:55:41,979
about an 18 month process on that ramp. Um, I

1748
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:45,960
looked at what was available on, um, private property. And

1749
01:55:46,061 --> 01:55:48,440
I'll say that we can't control what happens on private

1750
01:55:48,541 --> 01:55:51,240
property. So, um, I just went off what's on the

1751
01:55:51,341 --> 01:55:54,440
plug share website plug shares, you know, used by most

1752
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:58,920
EV users, owners defined chargers. I can't speak to the

1753
01:55:59,021 --> 01:56:02,120
availability of these. You know, that's for the private businesses

1754
01:56:02,221 --> 01:56:05,480
to determine. Um, there are six Rivian chargers, which are

1755
01:56:05,581 --> 01:56:10,180
publicly available by GoodLife. There's charges at the Weston, the

1756
01:56:10,180 --> 01:56:13,560
village, wollies, and one at the RV park. I believe

1757
01:56:13,821 --> 01:56:17,000
those are for people using those businesses. I haven't personally

1758
01:56:17,021 --> 01:56:20,440
tried to co - use them myself. Um, but they're

1759
01:56:20,480 --> 01:56:22,840
on private property and they're for private use, but they

1760
01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:27,560
are available to public or the patrons, um, who use

1761
01:56:27,600 --> 01:56:31,413
those services. Hey, it's just a clarification that. So, um,

1762
01:56:32,334 --> 01:56:33,993
Rox Spring's going in, they're not required to put an

1763
01:56:33,993 --> 01:56:37,284
EV station in. Yeah. The green building code requires a

1764
01:56:37,324 --> 01:56:40,004
certain number of stations. That's what I thought they said.

1765
01:56:40,044 --> 01:56:44,004
So there is Town Does mandate through code for certain.

1766
01:56:44,004 --> 01:56:47,364
Yeah. And they may not be publicly, um, transparent on

1767
01:56:47,785 --> 01:56:50,404
these sites, like plug share, because they may only be

1768
01:56:50,585 --> 01:56:53,764
for the users. They may only be for people staying

1769
01:56:53,804 --> 01:56:56,724
at Rock Spring or limelight. You know, I'm sure they

1770
01:56:56,724 --> 01:56:59,504
have chargers in their basement. They're not publicly available. And

1771
01:56:59,545 --> 01:57:01,924
I suspect, and I know that there are other chargers

1772
01:57:02,025 --> 01:57:04,164
in town that are under that. I just went off,

1773
01:57:04,164 --> 01:57:06,884
what was the information publicly available? So we had some

1774
01:57:06,884 --> 01:57:13,180
kind of baseline. So the request. John to answer your

1775
01:57:13,180 --> 01:57:18,780
question. The new Tesla V4 architecture allows for OEM manufacturers

1776
01:57:18,820 --> 01:57:22,780
that use the NEHCS standard, which is the Tesla plug,

1777
01:57:22,780 --> 01:57:25,740
um, to use those chargers. And I believe they've opened

1778
01:57:25,740 --> 01:57:27,900
the architecture up to some other vehicles as well. I

1779
01:57:27,940 --> 01:57:30,360
don't have the full list. In front of me, but

1780
01:57:30,360 --> 01:57:31,820
if you go to the Tesla website and look it

1781
01:57:31,820 --> 01:57:33,900
up, it's got the list of all the manufacturers that

1782
01:57:34,001 --> 01:57:37,420
can use those newer style chargers, which I have a

1783
01:57:37,460 --> 01:57:40,873
photo of right there. With an adapter. Yeah. If you

1784
01:57:40,873 --> 01:57:44,153
don't, well, the end that architecture is OEM for a

1785
01:57:44,153 --> 01:57:47,273
lot of these new manufacturers. Right. So, and I, I

1786
01:57:47,313 --> 01:57:51,353
don't know how far back it's reverse compatible, um, with

1787
01:57:51,374 --> 01:57:54,073
like a Chevy Bolt or a leaf. Or I don't

1788
01:57:54,073 --> 01:57:57,513
know. I don't have that detail, but the, the, um,

1789
01:57:57,694 --> 01:58:01,184
Tesla website has that information. But I believe moving forward,

1790
01:58:01,184 --> 01:58:04,784
the newer architecture, most vehicles will be able to use,

1791
01:58:04,784 --> 01:58:09,954
um, the Tesla stations. Um, they desire to put blocks

1792
01:58:09,975 --> 01:58:12,274
of eight. I think that just happens to work with

1793
01:58:13,015 --> 01:58:15,514
their Transformers and the way that there are architecture. So

1794
01:58:15,575 --> 01:58:17,794
if I, if we offer two or three, they're really

1795
01:58:17,794 --> 01:58:20,441
not interested. And they're looking for blocks of paint. I

1796
01:58:20,462 --> 01:58:23,081
mentioned the staff report. If we gave them 40 spaces,

1797
01:58:23,081 --> 01:58:26,772
they would take it. Um, they see, uh, a lot

1798
01:58:26,772 --> 01:58:30,552
of demand, a lot of increase in demand. And their

1799
01:58:30,552 --> 01:58:32,712
company policy is not to be behind. They want to

1800
01:58:32,712 --> 01:58:35,032
be in front. So they want to build out before

1801
01:58:35,053 --> 01:58:41,063
they see, um, long wait times. Uh, their wait time

1802
01:58:41,103 --> 01:58:42,823
is 10 minutes. If they see waiting more than 10

1803
01:58:42,844 --> 01:58:46,263
minutes, they don't believe they're providing adequate service. They have

1804
01:58:46,303 --> 01:58:50,544
their models based on Eastern Sunday scenarios holiday weekends. Um,

1805
01:58:50,645 --> 01:58:52,944
and I mentioned all this in the staff report. I'm

1806
01:58:52,944 --> 01:58:56,384
not going to rehash all the details. But, um, they

1807
01:58:56,424 --> 01:59:01,024
see strong demand and they see, um, significant increase over

1808
01:59:01,064 --> 01:59:06,449
the next five to 10 years. Um, they're offering to

1809
01:59:06,550 --> 01:59:10,289
pay lease payments. Um, this is different than, um, what

1810
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:12,828
they've offered in the past. Um, up to 300 dollars

1811
01:59:13,169 --> 01:59:16,348
of space. And they mentioned that if they were able

1812
01:59:16,348 --> 01:59:20,508
to get chargers that say hypothetically the parking rifle lot,

1813
01:59:20,508 --> 01:59:23,548
but not the CRC, they would be willing to sign

1814
01:59:23,569 --> 01:59:26,428
a new agreement at the CRC under the existing circumstances

1815
01:59:26,449 --> 01:59:28,748
to pay lease there just to get more spaces at

1816
01:59:29,009 --> 01:59:34,732
the parking ride lot. And so that's 300 per month

1817
01:59:35,553 --> 01:59:38,492
per space per month. First base per month. Yeah. So

1818
01:59:38,513 --> 01:59:40,172
if you were to get, we were going to get

1819
01:59:40,172 --> 01:59:42,892
the full 300 dollars per space that would be over

1820
01:59:42,993 --> 01:59:49,010
80. So, if you put in an EV spot, does

1821
01:59:49,050 --> 01:59:51,090
that take just one parking spot or do you sacrifice

1822
01:59:51,271 --> 01:59:53,970
other parking spots to put any of you spot in?

1823
01:59:54,010 --> 01:59:57,580
Uh, that's a great question. Um. For the chargers at

1824
01:59:57,580 --> 02:00:00,460
the parking ride lot, we did a very custom installation

1825
02:00:01,201 --> 02:00:03,900
with Tesla to allow the plow blade to go through

1826
02:00:05,921 --> 02:00:09,020
those faces. So they're wider than typical at the CRC

1827
02:00:09,761 --> 02:00:11,900
and what we say at Electrify America stations and what

1828
02:00:11,900 --> 02:00:14,060
we'll see with EV range they're designed and set up

1829
02:00:14,060 --> 02:00:16,940
in such a way that the plow goes perpendicular so

1830
02:00:16,940 --> 02:00:20,557
it doesn't have the same pass - through. The pass

1831
02:00:20,557 --> 02:00:24,180
- through stations require more space. To get a 14

1832
02:00:24,201 --> 02:00:26,580
- foot blade through it. Almost a parking spot in

1833
02:00:26,580 --> 02:00:31,163
the half. Um, you also have to provide ADA spaces.

1834
02:00:31,163 --> 02:00:33,163
So the VAN Accessible space is a space and a

1835
02:00:33,163 --> 02:00:37,122
half. So you can lose some spaces, side - dimensionally.

1836
02:00:38,286 --> 02:00:41,693
When you put in a new installation. But you're losing

1837
02:00:41,874 --> 02:00:43,853
to parking space because someone is going to be charging

1838
02:00:43,874 --> 02:00:46,573
there instead of only parking the car there. And we'll

1839
02:00:46,613 --> 02:00:50,732
get into the policy side of this thing. You were

1840
02:00:50,772 --> 02:00:57,412
encumbering public parking spaces with electrical charging spaces. You're swapping

1841
02:00:57,452 --> 02:01:00,218
them out. So that's the offer. And I can get

1842
02:01:00,258 --> 02:01:03,418
to more details. I will say Tesla, um, they do

1843
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:05,898
what they say they're going to do. And they've been

1844
02:01:05,898 --> 02:01:08,378
very accommodating for any issues we had anytime. There's a

1845
02:01:08,378 --> 02:01:10,298
problem out at the CRC or at the parking ride

1846
02:01:10,298 --> 02:01:12,698
lot. We make phone call, send an email. They send

1847
02:01:12,738 --> 02:01:15,098
a technician. They deal with it. They've been a very

1848
02:01:15,138 --> 02:01:20,844
good partner to work with. Um. But it puts these

1849
02:01:20,844 --> 02:01:24,581
requests put staff in a difficult spot. Every single one

1850
02:01:24,621 --> 02:01:27,301
of these requests have been brought to counsel case by

1851
02:01:27,301 --> 02:01:30,565
case one at a time. Um, not looking at some

1852
02:01:31,066 --> 02:01:36,009
holistic larger plant or policy or program. And, uh, we

1853
02:01:36,009 --> 02:01:37,449
don't have a lot of guidance on how to have

1854
02:01:37,449 --> 02:01:40,169
these dialogues and these conversations. Um, and so that's why

1855
02:01:40,190 --> 02:01:44,809
I'm bringing this fork to you guys. Um, because we're

1856
02:01:44,809 --> 02:01:48,089
also seeing the increase in demand. I mean, the sales

1857
02:01:48,089 --> 02:01:57,133
numbers in California, we only see that increasing. What we're

1858
02:01:57,173 --> 02:02:00,733
not seeing is the private side jumping in and building

1859
02:02:01,074 --> 02:02:04,973
charging stations outside of Rivian and the chargers that really

1860
02:02:05,154 --> 02:02:08,823
serve the private developments. Um, we haven't seen a success

1861
02:02:08,844 --> 02:02:13,463
story in Mammoth of a private electrify America station or

1862
02:02:13,484 --> 02:02:17,063
Tesla station. So they continue to look to the town

1863
02:02:17,324 --> 02:02:22,436
for opportunities to meet their demand. And so we're looking

1864
02:02:22,476 --> 02:02:25,156
for guidance as to what the role of the town

1865
02:02:25,156 --> 02:02:28,385
is. In that space. We don't have good guidance on

1866
02:02:28,385 --> 02:02:33,028
it. Um, I looked at the Mono County Local Transportation

1867
02:02:33,049 --> 02:02:37,988
Commissions, Mono County alternative fueling corridor. Doesn't really provide great

1868
02:02:38,089 --> 02:02:42,154
guidance. Um, on what the town should be doing with

1869
02:02:42,255 --> 02:02:45,425
its land. Uh, Mono County has a policy in their

1870
02:02:45,425 --> 02:02:48,465
general plan that says, um, the good balance to allow

1871
02:02:48,566 --> 02:02:53,211
for electric vehicle charging. County land. We don't have any

1872
02:02:53,251 --> 02:02:59,445
similar or corollary in our general plan. So we didn't

1873
02:02:59,485 --> 02:03:02,650
make any commitments to Tesla. We just said, Hey, we'll

1874
02:03:02,650 --> 02:03:05,690
bring this forward to Council, see what the appetite is,

1875
02:03:05,690 --> 02:03:07,770
what they're interested in doing. And then get back to

1876
02:03:07,810 --> 02:03:11,930
them. Um, but I'm really interested in your thoughts as

1877
02:03:11,970 --> 02:03:14,090
what you think we should be doing, what you think

1878
02:03:14,090 --> 02:03:19,467
we should be doing prepare or if anything. And that's

1879
02:03:19,568 --> 02:03:23,935
really, uh, my presentation. And I'm hoping to engage in

1880
02:03:23,975 --> 02:03:26,180
a dialogue on the subject. I have a quick question

1881
02:03:26,361 --> 02:03:29,540
for you. Um, so the charging stations at the CRC

1882
02:03:30,361 --> 02:03:34,020
is the electricity that's used for that separately metered and

1883
02:03:34,060 --> 02:03:37,540
paid by Tesla or is that what the CRC? Yeah.

1884
02:03:37,540 --> 02:03:40,580
So, uh, I should have mentioned this with the CRC

1885
02:03:40,921 --> 02:03:44,020
Tesla gave us 80, 000 dollars to bring that electrical

1886
02:03:44,041 --> 02:03:47,859
service into the CRC. As part of that mobility hub

1887
02:03:47,880 --> 02:03:51,219
component. We, the town already had to bring in significant

1888
02:03:51,259 --> 02:03:54,339
service to run the ice rink. They, they front loaded

1889
02:03:54,339 --> 02:03:56,419
that and paid for it for us. And so then

1890
02:03:56,419 --> 02:03:58,899
they were able to use that infrastructure for their, their

1891
02:03:58,939 --> 02:04:01,779
charging stations. But the monthly cost to there's no monthly

1892
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:04,499
talk. There was a one time payment. Yep. Okay. And

1893
02:04:04,499 --> 02:04:06,659
then they set it up. And then all of these

1894
02:04:06,699 --> 02:04:10,819
installations every single one that we've authorized on Town property,

1895
02:04:10,819 --> 02:04:13,539
they pay for the electricity. They have their own meters,

1896
02:04:13,539 --> 02:04:17,619
their own Transformers, their own architecture, um, we don't bury

1897
02:04:17,659 --> 02:04:22,579
any cost there. Uh, would Elon Musk put a parking

1898
02:04:22,619 --> 02:04:26,473
structure at the park and ride. Uh, I don't think

1899
02:04:26,494 --> 02:04:29,673
that's his business model, but I, I don't have a

1900
02:04:29,673 --> 02:04:32,313
direct line of communication. I don't mind doing business with

1901
02:04:32,414 --> 02:04:36,233
Tesla, but not to maybe doing business with that guy.

1902
02:04:36,233 --> 02:04:40,892
Okay. Has anything like that been discussed or anything like

1903
02:04:40,892 --> 02:04:43,052
maybe putting up. I mean, cause for me looking at

1904
02:04:43,052 --> 02:04:48,252
this, I feel like for every charging station we put

1905
02:04:48,252 --> 02:04:50,732
in, we're losing a parking spot and parking is very

1906
02:04:50,833 --> 02:04:54,412
tight, you know, especially during the winter months. But around

1907
02:04:54,452 --> 02:04:57,612
the village, like it's tight all year round. Um, I

1908
02:04:57,652 --> 02:05:01,052
would be interested, you know, if it was increasing our

1909
02:05:01,313 --> 02:05:03,532
parking capacity, you know, like putting a park in structure

1910
02:05:03,633 --> 02:05:07,292
into the parking ride or at the hillside, um, hillside

1911
02:05:07,332 --> 02:05:10,720
drive lot, turning that lot into a parking structure. You

1912
02:05:10,720 --> 02:05:14,000
know, and having half of the spaces be EV spaces

1913
02:05:14,661 --> 02:05:18,000
or, you know, some, something substantial like that. But I

1914
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,640
think that it's hard to, like you said, the county's

1915
02:05:20,640 --> 02:05:25,440
policy. Like when it, when it's taking away parking from

1916
02:05:26,581 --> 02:05:30,000
an already congested spot that has limited parking, I think

1917
02:05:30,021 --> 02:05:34,720
that it's, um, difficult at the moment. And I, I

1918
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:40,080
think that, um, like in Bishop, isn't the Rivian charging

1919
02:05:40,261 --> 02:05:43,360
at El Polloco? You know, I think that the Vons

1920
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:45,840
parking lot would be a great place for some EV

1921
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:48,320
chargers at the back of the lot there, but that's,

1922
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:52,640
you know, they would have to contact the owners of

1923
02:05:52,661 --> 02:05:55,760
that parking lot and work on that themselves. Like I

1924
02:05:55,760 --> 02:05:59,520
think that the town does have limited public parking around

1925
02:06:00,021 --> 02:06:09,184
Town. Well, Brent, you had a thought, mind you. Oh

1926
02:06:09,184 --> 02:06:12,304
yeah. Well, I think that, um, uh, couple of things.

1927
02:06:12,304 --> 02:06:16,784
One is we had a discussion, an interesting discussion. Does

1928
02:06:16,784 --> 02:06:18,864
the council back in the basement of the brewery a

1929
02:06:18,864 --> 02:06:20,504
couple months ago? And we talked about a bunch of

1930
02:06:20,504 --> 02:06:25,664
different things. But climate, you know, the whole, our policy,

1931
02:06:25,664 --> 02:06:28,464
our overall vision about how we're dealing with policy with

1932
02:06:28,485 --> 02:06:30,944
climate, uh, was an interesting one. And I'm looking forward

1933
02:06:30,984 --> 02:06:33,104
to seeing that come forward. We can figure out how

1934
02:06:33,144 --> 02:06:35,584
to navigate through that. Uh, but one of the things

1935
02:06:35,765 --> 02:06:37,824
I think we talked about is the fact that this

1936
02:06:38,005 --> 02:06:42,684
may be the last winter sports recreation destination in the

1937
02:06:42,684 --> 02:06:47,366
state. You know, that's Hayes pointing out increasing demand for

1938
02:06:47,406 --> 02:06:49,526
these kinds of things. That's kind of a unique position

1939
02:06:49,787 --> 02:06:51,926
for us to be in. So I think it's something

1940
02:06:51,926 --> 02:06:55,126
to be thinking about how do we ensure that to

1941
02:06:55,166 --> 02:06:57,926
our audience that we are in a leadership position in

1942
02:06:57,926 --> 02:07:02,405
terms of climate mitigation doing what we can do. Um,

1943
02:07:02,906 --> 02:07:07,045
I think your point about public space versus private spaces

1944
02:07:07,066 --> 02:07:09,845
is a very good one. And I think that that's

1945
02:07:09,845 --> 02:07:12,325
something that we should start figuring out how to have

1946
02:07:12,365 --> 02:07:17,419
those discussions. With the large parking lots in town to

1947
02:07:17,459 --> 02:07:19,499
say, look, we need to start talking with you all

1948
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:22,699
about it. We want to be in a leadership position

1949
02:07:22,880 --> 02:07:25,379
with regards to climate doing what we can do. We

1950
02:07:25,379 --> 02:07:29,379
have limited public facilities. We provide free public park. Do

1951
02:07:29,379 --> 02:07:31,339
we want to keep doing that? I mean, one of

1952
02:07:31,339 --> 02:07:33,979
the great building zoning challenges in the town is that

1953
02:07:34,019 --> 02:07:37,819
we've got all these 1960 strip malls that, I mean,

1954
02:07:37,819 --> 02:07:40,539
the whole downtown revitalization plan was about how do we

1955
02:07:40,539 --> 02:07:43,579
start getting out of the parking lot business and start

1956
02:07:43,619 --> 02:07:47,419
building housing and, you know, converting that real estate to

1957
02:07:47,419 --> 02:07:51,215
something else. So I think this is, it's along those

1958
02:07:51,236 --> 02:07:54,255
same kinds of lines, um, that I think I agree

1959
02:07:54,255 --> 02:07:56,735
with you. I think it's not ideal that we're using

1960
02:07:56,836 --> 02:07:59,695
all of our public assets for this kind of stuff.

1961
02:07:59,695 --> 02:08:02,175
We need to bring other partners into this because we

1962
02:08:02,196 --> 02:08:05,055
have very limited real estate, whether it's public or private,

1963
02:08:05,055 --> 02:08:06,975
um, and I think we should find a way to

1964
02:08:07,015 --> 02:08:12,415
start talking, um, with those parts. The Rivian charters are

1965
02:08:12,436 --> 02:08:14,495
right in front of good life. I don't know how

1966
02:08:14,535 --> 02:08:17,055
they did that, but it's like, it's like the prime

1967
02:08:17,095 --> 02:08:19,455
parking spaces in front of good life are Rivian EV

1968
02:08:19,495 --> 02:08:21,775
chargers. Okay. Well, good on you. Uh, but I think

1969
02:08:23,076 --> 02:08:24,815
there could be some ways that we could talk to

1970
02:08:25,636 --> 02:08:29,615
people with more parking opportunities than they probably need started

1971
02:08:29,636 --> 02:08:32,495
figuring a way. Let's start spreading the fun around a

1972
02:08:32,495 --> 02:08:35,135
little bit. And what about the public parking down Main

1973
02:08:35,135 --> 02:08:37,775
Street, you know, like in front of the businesses, like

1974
02:08:38,276 --> 02:08:42,075
Way Rave and Stellar Brew and Napa, you know, there

1975
02:08:42,075 --> 02:08:44,735
is public parking there that it wouldn't be an eight

1976
02:08:44,916 --> 02:08:48,175
space. Well, I think you get into the technical realities

1977
02:08:48,215 --> 02:08:50,495
of what they, I mean, I feel like in some

1978
02:08:50,495 --> 02:08:53,935
of those things, if it were a charger or two,

1979
02:08:53,935 --> 02:08:57,455
I would be open, you know, like away from the

1980
02:08:57,476 --> 02:08:59,855
village, I feel like some of those businesses, it would

1981
02:08:59,855 --> 02:09:03,055
be good for the businesses to have a singular or

1982
02:09:03,095 --> 02:09:06,095
two chargers. And maybe it's not with Tesla. Maybe it's

1983
02:09:06,135 --> 02:09:11,215
with Rivian or a different company. But, you know, the

1984
02:09:11,236 --> 02:09:14,535
thing that they're asking for about like eight spaces, I

1985
02:09:14,535 --> 02:09:17,215
don't know that we have the space for that. Yeah.

1986
02:09:17,215 --> 02:09:19,215
And I think, I mean, if you look at what,

1987
02:09:19,215 --> 02:09:23,135
like what they're doing up with at the mobile mark,

1988
02:09:23,135 --> 02:09:26,015
I mean, you know, these, how many is he putting

1989
02:09:26,055 --> 02:09:28,495
in there? That's got to be more than eight. No,

1990
02:09:28,495 --> 02:09:30,495
I don't know the number, but it's a large. It's

1991
02:09:30,495 --> 02:09:31,775
a large. He's putting in a whole bunch up there

1992
02:09:32,356 --> 02:09:35,535
up in Bridgeport. They just, you know, 15, 20 are

1993
02:09:35,535 --> 02:09:37,455
going up there. So obviously demand is there. I think

1994
02:09:37,455 --> 02:09:39,455
we want to be playing in that. But I think

1995
02:09:39,455 --> 02:09:41,535
we should find a way to try to get more

1996
02:09:41,796 --> 02:09:44,255
players into this to help us out with us. Well,

1997
02:09:44,295 --> 02:09:47,205
and sort of similar for the standpoint of. You have

1998
02:09:47,226 --> 02:09:50,565
people use DVs. We need it as a leader leading

1999
02:09:50,605 --> 02:09:53,285
destination place. We should have places where people can charge

2000
02:09:53,386 --> 02:09:56,965
your vehicles, etc. Maybe not just Tesla, but more universal

2001
02:09:57,226 --> 02:10:00,325
charging stations. But to me, it's that we want to

2002
02:10:01,306 --> 02:10:04,485
have a policy where we are anticipating and working not

2003
02:10:04,506 --> 02:10:07,205
only businesses, whether it's our own properties. I'll come back

2004
02:10:07,205 --> 02:10:08,965
to that in a second. But, you know, to encourage

2005
02:10:09,005 --> 02:10:10,805
that we need to have more EV stations to a

2006
02:10:10,826 --> 02:10:13,445
certain degree, what's the demand? Make sure we're not like

2007
02:10:13,626 --> 02:10:17,045
building 500 and no one use those. But I think

2008
02:10:17,626 --> 02:10:18,965
it would be good at some point in time that

2009
02:10:18,965 --> 02:10:21,445
we actually develop a policy on this as we, whether

2010
02:10:21,485 --> 02:10:23,285
it's climate change or where we roll it into is

2011
02:10:23,285 --> 02:10:26,485
like, okay, we were trying to be good stewards of

2012
02:10:26,525 --> 02:10:30,165
this land and it's more efficient way to do things

2013
02:10:30,506 --> 02:10:34,085
with going down the road. But I'm not against looking

2014
02:10:34,125 --> 02:10:35,925
at a town property from time to time when we

2015
02:10:36,026 --> 02:10:39,525
analyze the public benefit. You know, there may be times

2016
02:10:39,626 --> 02:10:41,765
and I don't want to get into where those stations

2017
02:10:41,765 --> 02:10:44,085
are or not because I think that staff is better

2018
02:10:44,106 --> 02:10:47,445
quick to judge based on power location, whatever. But if

2019
02:10:47,485 --> 02:10:50,645
the public benefit and we actually received enough return on

2020
02:10:50,685 --> 02:10:54,145
that, that it justifies plug vivot. Maybe it's 10, 000

2021
02:10:54,145 --> 02:10:57,605
dollars a month. I don't just say if there should

2022
02:10:57,605 --> 02:10:59,445
be looking at that, but we should not be the

2023
02:10:59,445 --> 02:11:01,765
only resource. And as I agree with both of you

2024
02:11:01,765 --> 02:11:04,485
going is town on, because they're coming town because we're

2025
02:11:04,666 --> 02:11:07,925
the easy one player. And it's easy to come to

2026
02:11:07,925 --> 02:11:09,525
town and say, Oh, we want to use this, this,

2027
02:11:09,525 --> 02:11:11,525
and this line. I mean, originally thought the reason this

2028
02:11:11,565 --> 02:11:13,125
is on the agenda is because I'm one in wise

2029
02:11:13,125 --> 02:11:15,845
hillside closed in the middle of summer. And no one's

2030
02:11:15,845 --> 02:11:18,485
told me about it. And I, again, I'm like, wow.

2031
02:11:18,485 --> 02:11:19,925
Um, well, the other thing we, we could be doing

2032
02:11:20,266 --> 02:11:22,325
is sort of thinking about how do we incentivize some

2033
02:11:22,325 --> 02:11:24,245
of the private owners to say, look, and that's what

2034
02:11:24,245 --> 02:11:25,925
I'm going as a part of our policy is how

2035
02:11:25,946 --> 02:11:29,125
can we stand by or assist them to make movement

2036
02:11:29,125 --> 02:11:32,405
in that direction so that we're working together to achieve

2037
02:11:32,746 --> 02:11:37,125
a challenge? Yeah. I would point out also that the

2038
02:11:37,466 --> 02:11:41,185
yield walk bike ride plan, uh, the mobility hub, the

2039
02:11:41,185 --> 02:11:44,005
reason, I mean, there was a policy place for why

2040
02:11:44,026 --> 02:11:48,325
that, all that charging stuff happened, why that mobility hub

2041
02:11:48,325 --> 02:11:51,445
happened at the CRC because the things in the walk

2042
02:11:51,485 --> 02:11:53,905
bike ripeling that call out for things like that. And

2043
02:11:53,946 --> 02:11:56,005
it happened to all come together in that one particular

2044
02:11:56,186 --> 02:11:59,045
instance. But hopefully we can be looking for more opportunities

2045
02:11:59,085 --> 02:12:02,557
like that. Yeah, I appreciate that. That's some good, good

2046
02:12:02,597 --> 02:12:07,274
comments there. Um. You brought up the idea of a

2047
02:12:07,274 --> 02:12:08,874
study. This is one of the things I was going

2048
02:12:08,874 --> 02:12:13,391
to suggest if I didn't hear it. Is there's, um,

2049
02:12:14,632 --> 02:12:18,051
we don't, we know we have strong parking demand. There's

2050
02:12:18,051 --> 02:12:20,611
a lot of need in this town. Seasonal need that

2051
02:12:20,611 --> 02:12:25,650
changes. Um, and the EV charging stations obviously impact that.

2052
02:12:25,650 --> 02:12:27,790
But the benefit to it because the percentage of the

2053
02:12:27,790 --> 02:12:30,115
people who are looking for it. Are they in the

2054
02:12:30,115 --> 02:12:33,075
right locations? Are they in the right place? Um, to

2055
02:12:33,075 --> 02:12:36,115
be determined. Um, back at the envelope town has about

2056
02:12:37,016 --> 02:12:41,315
950 spaces that were responsible for in the summertime that

2057
02:12:41,976 --> 02:12:46,535
are publicly maintained between our facilities or parks. The street

2058
02:12:46,575 --> 02:12:50,829
parking that is formalized with signs. Um, not talking about

2059
02:12:50,829 --> 02:12:52,909
the stuff around the ski area and the wintertime, just

2060
02:12:52,909 --> 02:12:55,529
the formal stuff. I'm 950 spaces. So quite a bit.

2061
02:12:57,059 --> 02:12:59,598
And we've got about 37 of those spaces in cumber

2062
02:12:59,619 --> 02:13:01,758
right now. So it's a small percentage, but it does

2063
02:13:01,779 --> 02:13:05,928
have an impact. And where you place them obviously has

2064
02:13:06,269 --> 02:13:10,568
an impact. Um, you kind of almost mentioned economic development.

2065
02:13:11,469 --> 02:13:13,448
I think it's a mix. People want them and then

2066
02:13:13,448 --> 02:13:15,688
they don't want them. I think there's a desire because

2067
02:13:15,789 --> 02:13:18,898
it drives traffic to business. But also encumbers the parking

2068
02:13:18,999 --> 02:13:21,218
so other people can't get it. So there's a balance

2069
02:13:21,258 --> 02:13:25,378
there that I can't quantify. I think it would be

2070
02:13:26,199 --> 02:13:29,298
worthwhile to talk to some experts about that and get

2071
02:13:29,338 --> 02:13:31,058
some information from the public and how they feel about

2072
02:13:31,098 --> 02:13:34,578
it. So if we talk about studies, would it be

2073
02:13:34,578 --> 02:13:40,178
possible to look at where the electrical infrastructure exists such

2074
02:13:40,178 --> 02:13:44,098
that, okay, irregardless whose property is this is a good

2075
02:13:44,098 --> 02:13:46,498
opportunity. That would be a good opportunity. That might be

2076
02:13:46,498 --> 02:13:47,938
a good place to kind of start. Yeah. Where the

2077
02:13:47,978 --> 02:13:50,338
circuitry is. Yeah. Cause that's definitely an issue. They're looking

2078
02:13:50,338 --> 02:13:54,738
for, it's very expensive to move that kind of architecture

2079
02:13:54,738 --> 02:13:57,538
around. It's just a little challenge sometimes because I mean,

2080
02:13:57,538 --> 02:13:59,218
we do studies on lots of different things in this

2081
02:13:59,218 --> 02:14:03,240
town. And what's going to take in this regard, in

2082
02:14:03,240 --> 02:14:06,560
my opinion, is relationships with businesses to say just like

2083
02:14:07,621 --> 02:14:12,640
the bond shopping market and other locations, maybe this place,

2084
02:14:12,640 --> 02:14:13,760
that you got to work with them and say, okay,

2085
02:14:14,261 --> 02:14:16,240
how can we make this happen? We can do a

2086
02:14:16,240 --> 02:14:18,000
study as we should have them all here, here, here,

2087
02:14:18,000 --> 02:14:19,600
because these are hubs. But that may not be the

2088
02:14:19,600 --> 02:14:22,640
location that way they can be into because no one's

2089
02:14:22,640 --> 02:14:25,680
willing to talk about downtown plan. We've been, we put

2090
02:14:25,680 --> 02:14:27,920
that out. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm not

2091
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:31,440
talking about planning study. It's a very, an inventory. Perhaps

2092
02:14:31,461 --> 02:14:37,120
of where is the electrical infrastructure existing? That's right. As

2093
02:14:37,120 --> 02:14:39,680
I heard study. That's why I'm just, maybe we afraid

2094
02:14:39,701 --> 02:14:41,840
it's a decision making tool, right? We're kind of in

2095
02:14:41,880 --> 02:14:43,920
a vacuum right now. We've got some really good questions.

2096
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:45,360
We know that there's a need out there, but we're

2097
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:48,800
not in this position to really provide good recommendations or

2098
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:51,509
guidance from either side right now. Um, we're trying to

2099
02:14:51,509 --> 02:14:54,109
do the best we can with what we understand is

2100
02:14:54,109 --> 02:14:56,909
the demand in the need, but it's not quantifiable. I

2101
02:14:56,909 --> 02:14:59,709
mean, we don't haven't gone out to the community and

2102
02:14:59,709 --> 02:15:02,589
talked to them about this stuff. Well, the only other,

2103
02:15:02,589 --> 02:15:04,189
on a sort of a side note to that is

2104
02:15:04,189 --> 02:15:08,829
that whatever chargers like Tesla is putting in, this whole,

2105
02:15:08,829 --> 02:15:12,189
whatever the mystery is about Tesla only, they can't put

2106
02:15:12,450 --> 02:15:16,029
in Tesla only chargers. And maybe because the technology's advanced

2107
02:15:16,050 --> 02:15:18,589
and the point now where you, any Tesla charger, any

2108
02:15:18,610 --> 02:15:20,589
vehicle with adapters or whatever will be able to use

2109
02:15:20,589 --> 02:15:23,869
it. What I'm out there driving around, you run into

2110
02:15:24,210 --> 02:15:27,149
Tesla lots that they say, Oh no, only, only Tesla

2111
02:15:27,170 --> 02:15:29,069
users can use this. And I don't know if that's

2112
02:15:29,090 --> 02:15:32,589
a technological problem or if that's, if that's a Tesla

2113
02:15:32,610 --> 02:15:34,589
corporate thing that they're saying, they're reserving it for their

2114
02:15:34,610 --> 02:15:37,629
vehicles. I think that that should be, if they're putting

2115
02:15:37,669 --> 02:15:39,989
things in here, like if you've got the adapter, if

2116
02:15:39,989 --> 02:15:42,149
you've got whatever, it's open to all vehicles. Because we

2117
02:15:42,149 --> 02:15:44,829
can't afford to have like, you know, charges for this

2118
02:15:44,829 --> 02:15:46,189
kind of car and they charge it for that kind

2119
02:15:46,189 --> 02:15:48,189
of car. It's that we should be as universal as

2120
02:15:48,229 --> 02:15:51,069
possible. Exactly. They made that commitment. Okay. Um, when I

2121
02:15:51,069 --> 02:15:53,389
talked to them, that was one of the issues we,

2122
02:15:53,389 --> 02:15:56,669
we brought up because years ago we were having these

2123
02:15:56,690 --> 02:15:59,949
conversations about testing that we didn't have the Rivian or

2124
02:15:59,989 --> 02:16:03,069
the Electrify America, the EV range opportunities that are coming

2125
02:16:03,090 --> 02:16:06,509
online. This was a major issue. We didn't have fast

2126
02:16:06,530 --> 02:16:09,949
DC charging for other vehicles. So, um, they were willing

2127
02:16:10,130 --> 02:16:13,469
to, in the agreements, make the chargers available to all

2128
02:16:13,650 --> 02:16:20,469
OEM and ACS standard product on the Disney architecture. Is

2129
02:16:20,610 --> 02:16:26,029
this a space that other municipalities are like making agreements

2130
02:16:26,069 --> 02:16:27,869
in? Or I mean, I guess I feel like I

2131
02:16:27,869 --> 02:16:30,029
don't have an electric car, but I feel like I

2132
02:16:30,210 --> 02:16:34,909
noticed them mainly at like businesses and not at public

2133
02:16:35,250 --> 02:16:40,589
parks or, you know, parking lots. For example, like if

2134
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:44,589
you go to Las Vegas, like huge EV traffic going

2135
02:16:44,610 --> 02:16:48,969
back and forth. Tesla goes and finds a place. And

2136
02:16:48,969 --> 02:16:51,629
they set up 50 chargers. It's the kind of thing

2137
02:16:51,629 --> 02:16:55,851
that, and think of us as a destination. And we're

2138
02:16:55,872 --> 02:16:58,651
going to get these surges of people coming up here

2139
02:16:58,691 --> 02:17:01,691
with those vehicles. And that's the demand I think you're

2140
02:17:01,691 --> 02:17:03,051
talking about. We need to figure out a way to

2141
02:17:03,091 --> 02:17:06,331
sound. But when you say Tesla finds a space. Like

2142
02:17:06,331 --> 02:17:10,011
they purchased land and put in their own chargers or

2143
02:17:10,032 --> 02:17:14,971
are they, you know, getting Nevada and putting it on

2144
02:17:15,152 --> 02:17:18,171
the city's property and not paying them anything and saying

2145
02:17:18,211 --> 02:17:20,011
that. I don't know. We're going to let everybody charge

2146
02:17:20,432 --> 02:17:23,691
their charge for free. And then we're starting to. There

2147
02:17:23,691 --> 02:17:26,091
is a private sector incentive for this. And the question

2148
02:17:26,131 --> 02:17:30,491
is scale and volume. And I think we're getting into

2149
02:17:30,531 --> 02:17:33,531
that neighborhood where I think we can start to say,

2150
02:17:33,531 --> 02:17:35,691
hi, you've got to demand for your users. Great. We're

2151
02:17:35,731 --> 02:17:38,411
not going to just give you public property over and

2152
02:17:38,432 --> 02:17:40,891
over again to do that. We need to start refining

2153
02:17:40,992 --> 02:17:44,731
away, even if it's more incentivizing taking public money and

2154
02:17:44,771 --> 02:17:48,651
incentivizing to put it on non - public infrastructure, start

2155
02:17:48,691 --> 02:17:51,691
thinking about doing those in those kinds of ways. Because

2156
02:17:51,691 --> 02:17:54,651
like I was approached by EV several years ago and

2157
02:17:54,832 --> 02:17:56,251
their deal was we want to put in a property,

2158
02:17:56,251 --> 02:17:58,251
but we're going to pay you per kilowatt usage of

2159
02:17:58,272 --> 02:18:02,331
the device as our rent. Yeah. So they were paying

2160
02:18:02,371 --> 02:18:05,131
for the paper and it became an income source for

2161
02:18:05,232 --> 02:18:08,171
a private enterprise. Yeah. So I think the market is

2162
02:18:08,171 --> 02:18:10,091
opening up in such a way that we can, we

2163
02:18:10,131 --> 02:18:12,731
don't have to be incentivizing just nakedly with our public

2164
02:18:12,752 --> 02:18:16,411
assets. Uh, we can try to find a way to

2165
02:18:16,411 --> 02:18:18,011
have a conversation on these things. And I'll add and

2166
02:18:18,011 --> 02:18:19,691
I mentioned this in the staff report that there are

2167
02:18:19,712 --> 02:18:24,091
some, some state law that require streamlining and processing for

2168
02:18:24,131 --> 02:18:27,451
these types of applications, uh, for electric vehicle charging on

2169
02:18:27,472 --> 02:18:30,251
private property. Um, but what I've been told is that

2170
02:18:30,752 --> 02:18:34,331
the maintenance costs, um, this normal movable cost. And those

2171
02:18:34,331 --> 02:18:39,371
obligations outweighed the value of the rent. So maybe I'll,

2172
02:18:39,371 --> 02:18:42,171
and the deserts, you know, in between Las Vegas, it's

2173
02:18:42,171 --> 02:18:45,211
cheap to buy land. And it's easy to encumbrate the

2174
02:18:45,211 --> 02:18:48,091
land here is extremely valuable and to encumber it for

2175
02:18:48,131 --> 02:18:50,651
a small lease payment for an EV charger is not

2176
02:18:50,651 --> 02:18:53,371
as exciting. But we don't really know what it would

2177
02:18:53,371 --> 02:18:57,671
take to incentivize to turn, to make that difference, um,

2178
02:18:57,671 --> 02:19:00,171
for a private business or a bond or a larger

2179
02:19:00,211 --> 02:19:03,131
parking lot. We don't know. Well, it'd be interesting to

2180
02:19:03,131 --> 02:19:08,657
start talking to the private landscape. The Vaughns or the,

2181
02:19:08,657 --> 02:19:11,137
you know, everybody, the good book, talk to those parking

2182
02:19:11,177 --> 02:19:13,137
lot people and say, look, what do you, how can

2183
02:19:13,158 --> 02:19:15,217
we, how did good life, I mean, it was a

2184
02:19:15,217 --> 02:19:16,977
good life to put the Rivian charges there. Was it

2185
02:19:17,017 --> 02:19:20,546
the landlord? No, it's the landlord. Okay. So that. What

2186
02:19:20,586 --> 02:19:24,888
deal do they make. Great question. Yeah. Um, so I'm

2187
02:19:24,888 --> 02:19:27,608
hearing the consensus I'm probably trying to put something together

2188
02:19:27,869 --> 02:19:32,968
to understand this better. Call it a decision document study,

2189
02:19:32,968 --> 02:19:35,528
whatever. I can do this through the LTC. We have

2190
02:19:35,528 --> 02:19:38,587
funding available and do this type of transportation work. It's

2191
02:19:38,587 --> 02:19:40,187
not something that's going to happen tomorrow because we are

2192
02:19:40,227 --> 02:19:42,427
a little busy with, uh, a lot of different things.

2193
02:19:43,389 --> 02:19:47,728
But if I'm getting, definitely you're nodding your head. I

2194
02:19:47,728 --> 02:19:49,848
just feel like it's kind of like I don't know

2195
02:19:49,869 --> 02:19:51,368
that we're going to be able to come up with

2196
02:19:51,549 --> 02:19:54,168
a document that is going to guide us on every

2197
02:19:54,989 --> 02:19:59,208
parking decision, you know, doing that as I feel like,

2198
02:19:59,208 --> 02:20:02,648
um, I definitely, if you mean doing a study, like

2199
02:20:02,648 --> 02:20:05,448
you're going to put some things together, I would be

2200
02:20:05,448 --> 02:20:07,128
supportive of that. But if you mean like doing a

2201
02:20:07,168 --> 02:20:11,368
study like hiring a consultant and getting their expert advice,

2202
02:20:11,368 --> 02:20:13,928
I would not be interested in that. I would say,

2203
02:20:13,928 --> 02:20:17,448
I think that kind of like each electric vehicle charging

2204
02:20:17,709 --> 02:20:21,208
station potential idea would need to come before the council.

2205
02:20:21,208 --> 02:20:22,888
And it would be decided on a case by case.

2206
02:20:23,591 --> 02:20:28,290
Basis. That would be my preference. I'm here a little

2207
02:20:28,290 --> 02:20:30,370
bit different. I'm hearing age you're saying do an inventory

2208
02:20:30,410 --> 02:20:35,170
of what we have. Come with some recommendations of where

2209
02:20:35,210 --> 02:20:38,770
it goes. But I'm looking for me personally, policy is

2210
02:20:38,770 --> 02:20:40,570
not aware they actually go. It's like we want to

2211
02:20:40,570 --> 02:20:42,410
encourage that we're going to work with local businesses. We

2212
02:20:42,551 --> 02:20:45,890
want to encourage that we keep up with, um, having

2213
02:20:46,471 --> 02:20:49,370
the proper number of E stations that are multiversal. So

2214
02:20:49,370 --> 02:20:53,090
we aren't stuck in one area. And place them more

2215
02:20:53,090 --> 02:20:55,330
appropriate that makes sense for the community or try to

2216
02:20:55,431 --> 02:20:57,650
encourage them what makes sense community. And that may not

2217
02:20:57,690 --> 02:21:01,943
be on our property. Correct. Or maybe on property. I

2218
02:21:01,943 --> 02:21:04,743
just, but that can't always be we can't always fulfill

2219
02:21:04,783 --> 02:21:09,043
the demand. Using what we have. Yeah. When I'm talking

2220
02:21:09,043 --> 02:21:12,723
about this document, whatever it is, I am looking at

2221
02:21:12,904 --> 02:21:16,003
hiring a consultant because it's not something that I believe

2222
02:21:16,043 --> 02:21:19,442
I have the expertise to put together. Um, the reason

2223
02:21:19,463 --> 02:21:21,682
for it is because I can't make a good recommendation.

2224
02:21:22,832 --> 02:21:24,331
I'm not in a position to tell you if this

2225
02:21:24,371 --> 02:21:26,091
is a good deal or a bad deal. If this

2226
02:21:26,091 --> 02:21:27,531
is the best thing for the community or the worst

2227
02:21:27,552 --> 02:21:30,891
thing for the community, I don't have, I don't have

2228
02:21:30,891 --> 02:21:33,897
the information. I don't know. I can't quantify the impact.

2229
02:21:33,937 --> 02:21:36,137
I can't tell you the economic benefit. I can't tell

2230
02:21:36,137 --> 02:21:39,497
you the value of loss of land that's being cumbered.

2231
02:21:39,497 --> 02:21:41,017
I'm just not in a good spot to make a

2232
02:21:41,017 --> 02:21:43,977
recommendation. I think the first four, the first couple were

2233
02:21:43,977 --> 02:21:46,217
really easy because we, but the last one was really

2234
02:21:46,238 --> 02:21:49,097
challenging. I felt like we really kind of struggled to

2235
02:21:49,137 --> 02:21:53,417
get to a decision on that. And when this, they

2236
02:21:53,417 --> 02:21:56,777
approached me this last time, I told them flat out.

2237
02:21:56,777 --> 02:21:58,697
I'm like, I don't, I don't know. I can't tell

2238
02:21:58,697 --> 02:22:00,137
you if this is a good idea or a bad

2239
02:22:00,137 --> 02:22:03,657
idea. I just don't really have a background. So when

2240
02:22:03,657 --> 02:22:06,377
we're talking about putting a study together, I'm looking at

2241
02:22:06,478 --> 02:22:09,657
someone who's going to look at the economics who's going

2242
02:22:09,657 --> 02:22:12,502
to look at the impact of parking. Some really interesting

2243
02:22:12,683 --> 02:22:14,902
stuff that may be coming out from the state on

2244
02:22:14,942 --> 02:22:18,342
climate that I heard about related to the value of

2245
02:22:18,443 --> 02:22:22,902
each EV charging stations versus mobility hubs. That the higher

2246
02:22:22,942 --> 02:22:26,182
priority on the, I've heard some interesting things that I

2247
02:22:26,222 --> 02:22:28,342
would want someone to dig into and put a document

2248
02:22:28,382 --> 02:22:31,102
together so that the next time this comes forward, I

2249
02:22:31,102 --> 02:22:34,742
can say, Hey, based on this, here's, here's some better

2250
02:22:35,003 --> 02:22:36,582
data to make a decision. I think, I think what

2251
02:22:36,582 --> 02:22:38,102
we, what we need, I think what we all need

2252
02:22:38,142 --> 02:22:40,822
is, is a basic decision matrix to figure out how

2253
02:22:40,923 --> 02:22:43,382
to, you know, when an operating comes forward, okay, is

2254
02:22:43,422 --> 02:22:45,462
it this? Is it that and be able to prioritize

2255
02:22:45,502 --> 02:22:49,062
things? And it's a rapidly changing environment. And just one

2256
02:22:49,102 --> 02:22:51,682
last thought is I've heard, you know, the Bicera, you

2257
02:22:51,682 --> 02:22:54,182
know, likely the next governor. Oh, we're going to make

2258
02:22:54,222 --> 02:22:58,102
our meet our electric vehicle mandates by 2040 whatever it

2259
02:22:58,102 --> 02:23:00,542
is. I mean, the state is still actively pursuit of

2260
02:23:00,603 --> 02:23:04,662
these goals, which means subsidies, which means opportunities and things

2261
02:23:04,662 --> 02:23:06,582
like that. But Rob, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I was

2262
02:23:06,582 --> 02:23:07,822
just going to make a couple of comments. I think

2263
02:23:07,963 --> 02:23:12,342
it's a good dialogue. Essentially, you know, we're always unique,

2264
02:23:12,342 --> 02:23:15,782
right? The town has limitations that don't exist in a

2265
02:23:15,782 --> 02:23:18,662
lot of places. When you start talking about availability of

2266
02:23:18,683 --> 02:23:21,062
land, you know, we don't have a space where they

2267
02:23:21,062 --> 02:23:23,782
can put in, you know, 50 spaces or go acquire

2268
02:23:23,883 --> 02:23:26,262
some land to do that. So it sort of put

2269
02:23:26,262 --> 02:23:29,702
it on us to do that. We've got snow. Right.

2270
02:23:29,803 --> 02:23:32,262
Much snow, snow removal issue. So I don't think there's

2271
02:23:32,683 --> 02:23:37,782
anything outside of the town that supports what we should

2272
02:23:37,822 --> 02:23:39,902
do when you talk about policy. We're not going to

2273
02:23:39,963 --> 02:23:42,742
find it anywhere. Um, we're going to have to create

2274
02:23:42,763 --> 02:23:46,582
the model that works for us. And I think what

2275
02:23:46,603 --> 02:23:48,822
Hades is struggling to figure out is just what, what

2276
02:23:48,862 --> 02:23:50,822
are the parameters around that? And I think we're going

2277
02:23:50,822 --> 02:23:55,622
to have to probably invest in studies that talk about

2278
02:23:55,723 --> 02:24:01,222
our unique situations. And gives us those, those guidelines. Cause

2279
02:24:01,222 --> 02:24:03,062
that's what we're exactly what we're looking for. It's like

2280
02:24:03,083 --> 02:24:06,342
when, when an opportunity arises, what are the questions we

2281
02:24:06,382 --> 02:24:08,742
need to ask? What are our marching orders that we

2282
02:24:08,742 --> 02:24:11,542
need to put it into? So, um, I think we're

2283
02:24:11,542 --> 02:24:14,902
going to need that in order to really come up

2284
02:24:14,902 --> 02:24:18,102
with something unique for the town. I'd also like to

2285
02:24:18,123 --> 02:24:21,222
encourage, you know, I think the grid opportunity for individual

2286
02:24:21,643 --> 02:24:26,502
business owners to make investments that make them more attractive

2287
02:24:27,083 --> 02:24:29,942
to people that have those types of vehicles and set

2288
02:24:29,942 --> 02:24:33,062
themselves up for the future, but they also run into,

2289
02:24:33,062 --> 02:24:34,822
you know, the limitations of what they have in their

2290
02:24:34,822 --> 02:24:37,382
own parking lot grappling with the question of whether they

2291
02:24:37,382 --> 02:24:40,582
should dedicate or not, uh, and then going back to

2292
02:24:40,582 --> 02:24:43,222
the cost of snow removal. I think in that space,

2293
02:24:44,923 --> 02:24:47,942
a decision that has to be made around what is

2294
02:24:47,942 --> 02:24:50,962
the price point for that particular spot? Because you've got

2295
02:24:50,962 --> 02:24:54,182
to cover the cost operationally as well as provide for

2296
02:24:54,222 --> 02:24:57,142
a little bit more. So in all aspects, things are

2297
02:24:57,243 --> 02:25:00,422
going to have to move. And we have the answers

2298
02:25:00,422 --> 02:25:05,645
to none of it. And so the funding for this

2299
02:25:05,826 --> 02:25:09,885
come out of the LTC? Yes. Okay. Yeah. I guess

2300
02:25:09,986 --> 02:25:14,596
I just feel like is a consultant going to. Understand

2301
02:25:14,777 --> 02:25:17,716
that we're on island in the forest and that there's

2302
02:25:17,756 --> 02:25:22,276
no parking. I mean, 950 spaces for 9, 000 residents.

2303
02:25:23,262 --> 02:25:28,991
That's not a lot of spaces. Yeah. Um, I feel

2304
02:25:29,031 --> 02:25:31,151
that we'll be able to find somebody who is knowledgeable

2305
02:25:31,492 --> 02:25:34,191
in this space and can help us put something together.

2306
02:25:34,231 --> 02:25:37,151
There's a number of consultants we work with that really

2307
02:25:37,151 --> 02:25:40,454
understand Mammoth and the challenges here. That I would be

2308
02:25:40,454 --> 02:25:43,614
comfortable in talking to about something like this and putting

2309
02:25:43,614 --> 02:25:46,785
to work on a scope. Um, again, it's not going

2310
02:25:46,785 --> 02:25:48,545
to happen tomorrow. This is something that's going to have

2311
02:25:48,545 --> 02:25:50,945
to get programmed into the overall work program at the

2312
02:25:50,945 --> 02:25:55,392
LTC. And won't happen tomorrow. Um, but I think it

2313
02:25:55,432 --> 02:25:58,115
would be valuable to get some of this information. Cause

2314
02:25:58,115 --> 02:26:00,675
I don't think this will be the last time a

2315
02:26:00,675 --> 02:26:04,609
request is before us. Um, and I think and hopefully

2316
02:26:04,870 --> 02:26:07,809
the market demand is going to start to increase. And

2317
02:26:07,809 --> 02:26:09,809
then we've got something in place that can help us

2318
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:13,537
navigate that. But would future requests still come before the

2319
02:26:13,718 --> 02:26:16,657
Council? If you hire consultant and come with, like get

2320
02:26:16,678 --> 02:26:18,417
us a great playbook and this is what you should

2321
02:26:18,417 --> 02:26:22,964
do. And this is what it's worth. Like those questions

2322
02:26:22,985 --> 02:26:25,524
of should we put an EV station here? That would

2323
02:26:25,625 --> 02:26:27,844
still come before the Council or would then staff just

2324
02:26:27,945 --> 02:26:32,214
decide? No. Staff, um, doesn't have the unilateral authority to

2325
02:26:32,254 --> 02:26:36,274
make those decisions on the use of public land, our

2326
02:26:36,274 --> 02:26:39,334
town property. So any decision would have to come before

2327
02:26:39,595 --> 02:26:43,174
Council for any agreements or executed. I think we'd just

2328
02:26:43,174 --> 02:26:45,254
be in a better position to say these are good

2329
02:26:45,294 --> 02:26:47,454
spots for these. These are bad spots for these. We

2330
02:26:47,454 --> 02:26:51,074
have good public support. This is good economic development. Um,

2331
02:26:51,515 --> 02:26:54,454
it's, it's they can frame it up and know what

2332
02:26:54,494 --> 02:26:57,014
they're doing. We can give you a better. I'm fine.

2333
02:26:57,195 --> 02:26:59,254
I'm fine doing the consultant as long as like the

2334
02:26:59,355 --> 02:27:04,374
ultimate approval comes before council before we do any more

2335
02:27:04,715 --> 02:27:10,054
EV parking stations. So thank you. Uh, that is actually

2336
02:27:10,054 --> 02:27:12,114
very helpful to have some support and a little bit

2337
02:27:12,114 --> 02:27:13,894
of guidance in that space. That's something that we'll start

2338
02:27:14,315 --> 02:27:17,355
framing up. Um, I do need to deal with the

2339
02:27:17,536 --> 02:27:21,853
request in front of me. We don't have to make

2340
02:27:21,874 --> 02:27:26,981
any decisions today. Um, but I will ultimately have to

2341
02:27:26,981 --> 02:27:29,301
get them an answer on whether or not we're going

2342
02:27:29,301 --> 02:27:34,341
to work with them on expansion change leases, um, payments

2343
02:27:34,602 --> 02:27:36,341
and all that kind of fun stuff. Okay. But at

2344
02:27:36,341 --> 02:27:38,181
this point you don't have a proposal. You do have

2345
02:27:38,181 --> 02:27:41,599
a site. I have, yes. They, they want, they would

2346
02:27:41,639 --> 02:27:44,559
expand at either location right now if we would allow

2347
02:27:44,599 --> 02:27:47,839
them to. My personal opinion is that the CRC is

2348
02:27:48,020 --> 02:27:52,543
too encumbered into allow for any expansion. If we did

2349
02:27:52,543 --> 02:27:55,663
anything there, I would say convert the universal chargers to

2350
02:27:55,764 --> 02:27:58,943
fast DC chargers that were accessible by all vehicles. That

2351
02:27:58,964 --> 02:28:02,875
would be a recommendation. Um, I think the park and

2352
02:28:02,915 --> 02:28:05,755
right lot continues to be underutilized. I said this in

2353
02:28:05,755 --> 02:28:08,315
the staff report. We've gone through an exercise of trying

2354
02:28:08,315 --> 02:28:11,515
to make it more interesting mobility hub. But for whatever

2355
02:28:11,536 --> 02:28:14,779
reason, it does not get utilized. I think pushing the

2356
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:17,419
EV traffic there rather than in the village or other

2357
02:28:17,419 --> 02:28:20,859
locations to me makes sense. That's just anecdotal. I don't

2358
02:28:20,859 --> 02:28:25,819
have the data to really. So if I could just

2359
02:28:25,819 --> 02:28:28,459
as an example, um, I think it would make sense

2360
02:28:29,440 --> 02:28:32,939
to at the CRC not add anything new, but update

2361
02:28:32,939 --> 02:28:38,641
your infrastructure. Okay. Good. No net loss there. The parking

2362
02:28:38,662 --> 02:28:43,259
ride lot. You spend time, I used to get my

2363
02:28:43,299 --> 02:28:45,019
acupuncturist was over there. It spent a lot of time

2364
02:28:45,019 --> 02:28:47,579
in that lot. So I see what was happening in

2365
02:28:47,619 --> 02:28:50,539
the parking ride lot, which is analogous at that thing

2366
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:54,219
that was making that Las Vegas example before Sunday afternoons,

2367
02:28:54,219 --> 02:28:57,339
people leaving the destination, they're in that lot charging their

2368
02:28:57,379 --> 02:28:59,659
vehicles to drive to LA. So if that's a place

2369
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:03,579
that's underutilized and the lot of competing interests, that might

2370
02:29:03,579 --> 02:29:05,739
be a place to consider to add some more chargers.

2371
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:08,219
But I guess one thing that I'd like to bring

2372
02:29:08,259 --> 02:29:10,539
up is with the Town Office is moving and there

2373
02:29:10,539 --> 02:29:14,939
is limited parking at that Civic Center area. Don't we

2374
02:29:14,979 --> 02:29:17,659
expect to be using the parking ride lot for staff

2375
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:23,441
parking more in the future. I think some. I can't

2376
02:29:23,441 --> 02:29:24,641
remember the number I've thought of my head. I think

2377
02:29:24,681 --> 02:29:28,372
the 50 or 60 spaces in there. And we'll have,

2378
02:29:28,372 --> 02:29:31,652
um, 16, 24 of them would be if we were

2379
02:29:31,692 --> 02:29:35,181
to expand could be encumbered by EV chargers. So that

2380
02:29:35,362 --> 02:29:38,861
would bring it down to how many spaces for non

2381
02:29:38,962 --> 02:29:42,507
EV cars. Don't quote me on the number around 30,

2382
02:29:42,507 --> 02:29:45,947
35, not including the street parking. So the proposal though

2383
02:29:45,968 --> 02:29:49,533
right now is for eight state. Eight charting. They would

2384
02:29:49,634 --> 02:29:51,833
go, they would do 40 if you'd let them. But

2385
02:29:51,833 --> 02:29:54,093
I think eight a block of eight is a reasonable.

2386
02:29:55,764 --> 02:29:58,623
If I were to make a recommendation in a vacuum,

2387
02:29:58,623 --> 02:30:01,103
I think eight is a reasonable. I think getting the

2388
02:30:01,124 --> 02:30:04,683
architecture upgraded to allow for other vehicles make sense. And

2389
02:30:04,683 --> 02:30:07,183
the ability for us to renegotiate our leases to get

2390
02:30:07,844 --> 02:30:12,124
payment. If we were to expand could be a little

2391
02:30:12,124 --> 02:30:15,644
over 90, 000 dollars a year, which we could potentially

2392
02:30:15,825 --> 02:30:19,244
use for incentives or other things in a program or

2393
02:30:19,284 --> 02:30:23,084
offset maintenance costs, whatever you guys decide. But it's, it's

2394
02:30:23,185 --> 02:30:25,884
opportunity that we don't have right now. Cause I drive

2395
02:30:25,905 --> 02:30:27,164
by that a lot of a fair amount. And what

2396
02:30:27,164 --> 02:30:29,884
I see those cars will park those charging stations and

2397
02:30:29,884 --> 02:30:32,204
they're there for like two days. I mean, I'll get

2398
02:30:32,204 --> 02:30:34,364
in charge or charge. They're just sitting there and no

2399
02:30:34,404 --> 02:30:37,444
one else can pull in. So I don't know if

2400
02:30:37,444 --> 02:30:39,964
that is a good or bad thing, but they're stuck

2401
02:30:39,964 --> 02:30:42,444
in the parking spots. The rest of the lot seems

2402
02:30:42,444 --> 02:30:44,524
like the sum availability that's not. It's probably impacted from

2403
02:30:44,564 --> 02:30:47,804
the neighborhood. Yeah. Not enough. We have a large portion

2404
02:30:47,804 --> 02:30:51,644
of that lock carved out for the hospital and the

2405
02:30:51,905 --> 02:30:55,004
town hall contractors to park off site. So we've given

2406
02:30:55,004 --> 02:30:58,348
them permit to use. A nice chunk of that just

2407
02:30:58,449 --> 02:31:02,168
to mitigate the impact of the surrounded demoni and the

2408
02:31:02,168 --> 02:31:05,548
courts while that construction activities. But that'll be over. That'll

2409
02:31:05,548 --> 02:31:09,510
be over next year. So I don't know. I think

2410
02:31:10,091 --> 02:31:13,750
that if you were to bring back a proposal along

2411
02:31:13,771 --> 02:31:17,485
those lines, I'd like to see something like that. If

2412
02:31:17,586 --> 02:31:21,606
for the parking ride. No, for starting with CRC, just

2413
02:31:21,646 --> 02:31:25,766
no net loss of spaces, update your equipment, renegotiate leases,

2414
02:31:25,806 --> 02:31:27,686
bring some money in off of that. If that could

2415
02:31:27,686 --> 02:31:30,566
be in the deal, that sounds interesting. And then Park

2416
02:31:30,566 --> 02:31:33,446
and Riot, I think, um, if the, I mean, you

2417
02:31:33,486 --> 02:31:35,846
heard the concerns here, but the way to put something

2418
02:31:36,027 --> 02:31:39,606
in there that's going to be consistent with the use.

2419
02:31:39,606 --> 02:31:40,886
We could send me to talk about. We could figure

2420
02:31:40,907 --> 02:31:43,511
out what we want to do that or not. Yeah.

2421
02:31:43,852 --> 02:31:45,591
I'm not going to guess looking at that. And I'm

2422
02:31:45,591 --> 02:31:49,111
not sure as quite enough money from where I've been

2423
02:31:49,111 --> 02:31:50,231
thinking. But I think that if we could get the

2424
02:31:50,231 --> 02:31:53,511
money from the four non charging station universal is at

2425
02:31:53,511 --> 02:31:56,711
the CRC may not be a bad exchange for, cause

2426
02:31:56,711 --> 02:31:58,391
then we start getting in, if we can start generating

2427
02:31:58,431 --> 02:32:00,711
some revenue and use that for incentives to get it

2428
02:32:00,711 --> 02:32:03,511
on non public places, then maybe, maybe we're getting into

2429
02:32:03,532 --> 02:32:06,263
something that we can develop down the road. But I,

2430
02:32:06,303 --> 02:32:09,223
but for me, I'm more interested in like eight slots

2431
02:32:09,223 --> 02:32:12,103
there, not 40 in the parking ride. Oh yeah. Yeah.

2432
02:32:12,844 --> 02:32:14,983
I feel like I don't have a good visual of

2433
02:32:15,023 --> 02:32:17,543
what they're asking at the parking ring. Like and what

2434
02:32:17,543 --> 02:32:20,903
we've already said, yeah, I think I've got enough here.

2435
02:32:20,903 --> 02:32:23,623
Okay. I'm hearing we'll work on some scope for study

2436
02:32:24,044 --> 02:32:27,682
later date. Let me go talk to the rep at

2437
02:32:27,703 --> 02:32:29,682
Tesla. Let's see if we can get some deal points

2438
02:32:29,722 --> 02:32:33,122
together. And I'll bring it back with some mapping and

2439
02:32:33,143 --> 02:32:36,562
some, some more information. And then you guys can chew

2440
02:32:36,562 --> 02:32:38,002
on it at that time. There's no need to make

2441
02:32:38,042 --> 02:32:42,082
a decision tonight. Okay. It's been very helpful. Yeah. This

2442
02:32:42,082 --> 02:32:45,835
has been very helpful. Thank you very much. Um, do

2443
02:32:45,835 --> 02:32:47,115
you guys want to take a break or should we

2444
02:32:47,115 --> 02:32:49,675
do the next? Can we do a quick break. Okay.

2445
02:32:50,016 --> 02:32:53,897
Let's do a five minute break. Okay. Great. Thank you.

2446
02:33:06,557 --> 02:33:16,160
I never said that. Richard

2447
02:33:16,341 --> 02:33:22,240
Sartin. Yeah. I was looking for you online. I didn't

2448
02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:24,160
know if I was quote for me raised my answer

2449
02:33:24,341 --> 02:33:31,680
or not. So yes, you should. Okay. There should have

2450
02:33:31,701 --> 02:33:37,120
been changed. Cookies. You know, it's what the, okay, good.

2451
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:44,469
Thank you. So we didn't have to come on that.

2452
02:33:44,469 --> 02:33:48,706
We come back and come on. We should come back

2453
02:33:48,706 --> 02:33:51,266
to this house. Oh, okay.

2454
02:34:11,864 --> 02:34:15,443
So John, I didn't see this gentleman in the room.

2455
02:34:17,242 --> 02:34:19,541
I was looking for him online. Recognize your t -

2456
02:34:19,541 --> 02:34:23,781
shirt on your logo there. So if you had to

2457
02:34:23,781 --> 02:34:27,141
be technical questions for him. Just a drive a bolt

2458
02:34:28,042 --> 02:34:30,421
and I arrive at some of your charging stations for

2459
02:34:30,461 --> 02:34:33,621
Tesla only. Now is that a technical thing or is

2460
02:34:33,621 --> 02:34:36,501
that a corporate decision that we just want to make

2461
02:34:36,762 --> 02:34:40,706
these for Tesla vehicles. That need to just not compatible.

2462
02:34:40,706 --> 02:34:45,346
Okay. Good. Why we're coming to the town. Right. So

2463
02:34:45,346 --> 02:34:48,218
that's exactly what we want to do. Because you've heard

2464
02:34:48,319 --> 02:34:51,098
in the discussion, very limited real estate. And so we

2465
02:34:51,098 --> 02:34:53,178
don't want to have, you got to go to five

2466
02:34:53,218 --> 02:34:56,378
different places. If we can do that, I would support

2467
02:34:56,799 --> 02:34:59,818
upgrading that. So my bolt, my little adapter, I can

2468
02:34:59,818 --> 02:35:02,458
plug in and I'm happy. And yeah, and I appreciate

2469
02:35:04,879 --> 02:35:07,738
the first choices to try to win the city as

2470
02:35:07,778 --> 02:35:14,618
an hour pain. Originally, these were zero deals. Right. We're

2471
02:35:14,618 --> 02:35:17,338
making money. Right. Well, if you can, if we can

2472
02:35:17,338 --> 02:35:19,818
figure out a way to take the money that we're,

2473
02:35:19,818 --> 02:35:21,098
you heard the discussion, if we can take the money

2474
02:35:21,119 --> 02:35:24,618
that we're working, say a little bit of public infrastructure.

2475
02:35:24,618 --> 02:35:26,778
And we can start going out to, you guys can

2476
02:35:26,818 --> 02:35:30,378
figure out where's the infrastructure already at, put it here,

2477
02:35:30,399 --> 02:35:33,164
put it there. Then we're going to get, then we're

2478
02:35:33,164 --> 02:35:36,444
in business. That's where we want to get to. Part

2479
02:35:36,444 --> 02:35:38,844
of the reason to do the study. Hey Brent. Yeah.

2480
02:35:39,505 --> 02:35:41,244
This gentleman here is nice to meet you. I didn't

2481
02:35:41,284 --> 02:35:44,604
see him. In the audience. I was looking for a

2482
02:35:44,604 --> 02:35:50,924
comment. I didn't have a conversation. I know. I appreciate

2483
02:35:54,305 --> 02:36:01,043
you looking at it. We do. We, when do you

2484
02:36:01,043 --> 02:36:04,103
say non - exclusive? We mean that we're open to

2485
02:36:04,364 --> 02:36:07,183
all EV providers. A lot of these people write it

2486
02:36:07,183 --> 02:36:12,263
right in under exclusively. Which I'm going to like the

2487
02:36:12,303 --> 02:36:18,183
more there. So electricity. So what you see, but also

2488
02:36:27,644 --> 02:36:36,023
that's the reason we're coming to you. All these consequences

2489
02:36:36,924 --> 02:36:40,442
as our. What means Evie go and come to you

2490
02:36:40,482 --> 02:36:47,642
and say, do you want to do Brent said? We

2491
02:36:47,642 --> 02:36:51,322
use dot exclusive in all of our greens for all

2492
02:36:51,322 --> 02:36:54,842
these purposes so that different.

2493
02:37:01,743 --> 02:37:06,095
How's your break. Summer? No, you're for your five minute

2494
02:37:06,135 --> 02:37:10,139
break. Did you, did you get a summer break. Well,

2495
02:37:10,240 --> 02:37:17,780
we went back. Well, that's great. And we're totally open.

2496
02:37:17,961 --> 02:37:24,340
That means for you it starts tomorrow, right? Good luck.

2497
02:38:13,218 --> 02:38:20,779
No. Okay. Okay. Okay. We are back. And we are

2498
02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:24,379
on to item 8. 3, understanding credit rating, standard and

2499
02:38:24,419 --> 02:38:26,699
pores rating review with Lauren Warhamme.

2500
02:38:44,952 --> 02:38:49,251
My first presentations, the technological. So don't say anything because

2501
02:38:49,251 --> 02:38:51,171
some other people take like 20 minutes. So what you're

2502
02:38:51,211 --> 02:38:52,851
doing great. Well, as long as we don't mind that

2503
02:38:52,872 --> 02:38:55,011
talking up there. It's not up there. No, that isn't

2504
02:38:55,011 --> 02:39:00,989
true. It's just for you. Oh. Okay. Just wanted to

2505
02:39:00,989 --> 02:39:03,699
distract you while you were doing that. So thank you.

2506
02:39:03,794 --> 02:39:06,342
Mayor. At the Council members. I will walk you through.

2507
02:39:06,478 --> 02:39:09,897
Our credit rating review with Standard and Borus, also known

2508
02:39:09,937 --> 02:39:13,761
as SMP. One of the nation's leading independent credit rating

2509
02:39:13,801 --> 02:39:17,696
agencies. This review is an essential part of maintaining retells

2510
02:39:17,696 --> 02:39:22,248
financial credibility and ensuring continued access. To low cost firing.

2511
02:39:24,798 --> 02:39:28,617
SOVA evaluates the ability of public and private organizations to

2512
02:39:28,878 --> 02:39:34,624
repay. There. You go. Agency's typically complete a credit review

2513
02:39:35,125 --> 02:39:38,064
when issuing new debt to assist with bond sales on

2514
02:39:38,064 --> 02:39:41,984
the open market and through ongoing annual updates for secondary

2515
02:39:42,405 --> 02:39:47,049
market trading. In many ways, the rating functions. The rating

2516
02:39:47,150 --> 02:39:52,249
functions as an objective financial report card to the community.

2517
02:39:57,050 --> 02:40:02,069
SMP assesses the town's overall credit worthiness. A strong rating

2518
02:40:02,170 --> 02:40:07,909
signals fiscal responsibility to both rating. I'm not sure that

2519
02:40:08,010 --> 02:40:16,558
went forward. Sorry, I should have numbered my slides. So

2520
02:40:17,299 --> 02:40:20,807
start over on that. A strong rating signals fiscal responsibility

2521
02:40:20,847 --> 02:40:28,018
to both residents and investors influencing investor confidence. And ultimately

2522
02:40:28,519 --> 02:40:34,372
affecting our borrowing cost. Because the rating agency directly impacts

2523
02:40:34,713 --> 02:40:37,732
the interest rate that we do pay on bonds. It

2524
02:40:37,753 --> 02:40:42,852
influences the cost of major capital projects such as infrastructure.

2525
02:40:42,852 --> 02:40:47,252
Public safety facilities and community improvements. A higher rating reduces

2526
02:40:47,433 --> 02:40:51,092
long - term taxpayer cost and can also remove the

2527
02:40:51,113 --> 02:40:56,464
need for bond insurance or debt service reserve requirements. The

2528
02:40:56,485 --> 02:41:00,704
review process begins with a written request for financial documents

2529
02:41:01,125 --> 02:41:06,412
and information. And SMPanalyst review these materials, then conduct a

2530
02:41:06,452 --> 02:41:09,922
follow - up meeting with staff. To clarify details and

2531
02:41:09,962 --> 02:41:14,802
gather additional context. Staff can provide further information to support

2532
02:41:14,823 --> 02:41:19,282
the town's strongest possible rating. The SMP analyst then presents

2533
02:41:19,303 --> 02:41:23,958
our full profile to an internal SMP committee. Which votes

2534
02:41:23,998 --> 02:41:28,318
on whether to upgrade, downgrade, or maintain the rating. The

2535
02:41:28,419 --> 02:41:31,678
final rating and written rationale are published in an SMP

2536
02:41:31,859 --> 02:41:38,294
analyst continues to monitor the town with annual updates. We

2537
02:41:38,395 --> 02:41:43,334
provided information on several key areas. Local economic conditions, including

2538
02:41:43,435 --> 02:41:47,494
employment, tax - based stability, tourism trends, and tax -

2539
02:41:47,494 --> 02:41:52,977
based diversity. Management and government's practices, including financial policies, short

2540
02:41:52,977 --> 02:41:59,727
- term planning, transparency, and council oversight. Budgetary performance, such

2541
02:41:59,727 --> 02:42:04,607
as revenue and expenditure trends, forecasting structural balance and compliance

2542
02:42:04,628 --> 02:42:11,063
with our reserve policy. Budgetary and reserve flexibility, including liquidity,

2543
02:42:11,063 --> 02:42:13,783
fund balances, and our ability to respond to economic changes

2544
02:42:14,204 --> 02:42:18,503
over the long term. Long - term liabilities, including bonds,

2545
02:42:18,503 --> 02:42:23,303
pension obligations, and other commitments. And the institutional framework for

2546
02:42:23,564 --> 02:42:30,698
California Local Governments. This year, SMP upgraded the Town COP's

2547
02:42:30,738 --> 02:42:34,298
rating to A - plus from single A with a

2548
02:42:34,338 --> 02:42:39,504
stable outlook. So great news there. The published report highlighted

2549
02:42:39,605 --> 02:42:43,984
several strengths of the town, a stable, diverse local economy,

2550
02:42:44,005 --> 02:42:48,704
supported by both residents and visitors. Strong and consistent TOT

2551
02:42:48,725 --> 02:42:53,904
performance and conservative budgeting, a small and manageable debt burden.

2552
02:42:55,017 --> 02:43:00,910
Robust financial policies and internal management. Healthy reserve levels and

2553
02:43:00,910 --> 02:43:07,029
active wildfire mitigation and prevention efforts. SMP also noted opportunities

2554
02:43:07,050 --> 02:43:11,029
for potential future upgrades, including adopting long - term financial

2555
02:43:11,050 --> 02:43:17,349
planning and forecasting tools, strengthening internal controls, and financial processes.

2556
02:43:17,349 --> 02:43:21,829
They also mentioned the town's reliance on tourism driven revenues,

2557
02:43:21,829 --> 02:43:28,389
which can fluctuate based on whether economic conditions. They pointed

2558
02:43:28,429 --> 02:43:31,109
out that a broader base of year - round residents

2559
02:43:31,690 --> 02:43:35,589
generally creates more stable revenue trends over time. To be

2560
02:43:35,589 --> 02:43:37,909
clear, this is not a recommendation for locals to pay

2561
02:43:37,909 --> 02:43:41,429
more in taxes. It's simply an observation that communities with

2562
02:43:41,429 --> 02:43:45,029
a larger resident tax base tend to see less voluntarily

2563
02:43:45,370 --> 02:43:53,899
overall. And as town council. Your oversight is vital. To

2564
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:57,339
sustaining long - term financial stability. And this includes adopting

2565
02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:01,979
responsible short and long - term plans and policies. Approving

2566
02:44:02,019 --> 02:44:06,459
a balanced fiscally sustainable budget that meets community needs over

2567
02:44:06,640 --> 02:44:12,195
time and help moderate tourism - related volatility. Maintaining adequate

2568
02:44:12,235 --> 02:44:19,116
reserve levels. Exercising prudent debt approval. Supporting responsible economic development,

2569
02:44:19,116 --> 02:44:23,196
and ensuring transparency in financial reporting. So thank you for

2570
02:44:23,236 --> 02:44:25,916
your time tonight, and I welcome any questions or comments.

2571
02:44:26,737 --> 02:44:30,876
Any questions? A couple other ones. So what we got

2572
02:44:30,916 --> 02:44:34,476
upgraded, what does that mean economically? What kind of rate

2573
02:44:34,516 --> 02:44:37,316
reduction would we potentially see like on a bond, et

2574
02:44:37,316 --> 02:44:40,556
cetera? For each rate, we go up how much better

2575
02:44:40,897 --> 02:44:43,276
are we in getting rates. So we do have fixed

2576
02:44:43,316 --> 02:44:46,156
rate bonds, so it won't impact us right away. However,

2577
02:44:46,156 --> 02:44:49,116
if the market does change and say rates come down,

2578
02:44:49,116 --> 02:44:52,476
that would allow some opportunities to potentially refinance at a

2579
02:44:52,476 --> 02:44:56,876
savings. And the higher rate you have, the more investor

2580
02:44:56,977 --> 02:45:03,116
confidence. And so that would be basically realized savings in

2581
02:45:03,116 --> 02:45:05,956
terms of we should get a lower rate based on

2582
02:45:05,956 --> 02:45:08,872
our higher credit rating. Right, so we're not with a

2583
02:45:08,872 --> 02:45:11,832
new bond right now. We in theory get a better

2584
02:45:11,872 --> 02:45:14,152
rate than what we were before, because we got a

2585
02:45:14,152 --> 02:45:19,072
slightly better rating standpoint. Even though the existing rating, as

2586
02:45:19,133 --> 02:45:22,772
well now, is really not what I call excellent, but

2587
02:45:22,772 --> 02:45:25,672
it's very good. There's a time when we didn't have

2588
02:45:25,933 --> 02:45:28,552
as good a rating in this community. This is a

2589
02:45:28,552 --> 02:45:31,272
strong rating, and you are absolutely correct that the two

2590
02:45:31,272 --> 02:45:35,332
ways it could benefit us. If the market moves, you

2591
02:45:35,332 --> 02:45:37,832
know, far enough that we can realize savings or for

2592
02:45:37,872 --> 02:45:41,032
any new debt issuance if we contemplate issuing any new

2593
02:45:41,032 --> 02:45:44,269
debt. And I'm not sure Ms. Pallies, but like a

2594
02:45:44,269 --> 02:45:47,149
private business is it's not yearly review. It's multiple a

2595
02:45:47,149 --> 02:45:50,109
year. Is that the same way with like SAP? Would

2596
02:45:50,109 --> 02:45:51,749
we get reviewed next year at the same time? Or

2597
02:45:51,810 --> 02:45:54,269
is it five years or 10 years? What would be

2598
02:45:54,269 --> 02:45:57,309
the next logical timeframe, or do we request that? So

2599
02:45:57,349 --> 02:45:59,949
what I'm typically used to is getting evaluated on an

2600
02:45:59,989 --> 02:46:03,669
annual basis. And then also any new debt issuances. It

2601
02:46:03,669 --> 02:46:06,969
sounds like our past history is every other year, um,

2602
02:46:06,969 --> 02:46:11,309
but we also issued the new 2024 COPs. So it

2603
02:46:11,330 --> 02:46:16,229
may be an annual review. Yes, so the monitoring, as

2604
02:46:16,229 --> 02:46:18,749
Lauren indicated, the monitoring is an annual process, but that's

2605
02:46:18,789 --> 02:46:22,249
more of an analyst at SMP that's focused on, you

2606
02:46:22,249 --> 02:46:24,349
know, what's going on and making sure they have situational

2607
02:46:24,370 --> 02:46:27,629
awareness. I think they can trigger, you know, if the

2608
02:46:27,730 --> 02:46:29,949
drastic changes that go on that can trigger some other

2609
02:46:29,970 --> 02:46:34,429
opportunities to review us. But all things considered every two

2610
02:46:34,469 --> 02:46:36,509
years is what we've had. And then, you know, with

2611
02:46:37,170 --> 02:46:41,491
any issuances. And my last one is just, you know,

2612
02:46:42,012 --> 02:46:43,991
it's not always directly related, but it is. If we

2613
02:46:44,031 --> 02:46:50,711
were to have a large incendiary event within a close

2614
02:46:50,751 --> 02:46:56,431
proximity, could that potentially impact our rating just from, I

2615
02:46:56,431 --> 02:46:58,551
call it sort of disaster. I don't want to say

2616
02:46:58,591 --> 02:47:02,951
a disaster. A significant, um, impact. If we had a

2617
02:47:02,951 --> 02:47:05,751
forest fire that was, that was there. Does that have

2618
02:47:06,492 --> 02:47:09,671
strictly just economic driven? Because what I'm used to in

2619
02:47:09,671 --> 02:47:13,071
private industry, it's all economic. And now it's kind of

2620
02:47:13,071 --> 02:47:18,871
changed. I didn't know if they incorporate into climate adaptation,

2621
02:47:18,871 --> 02:47:22,791
things that happen that might impact the rating. That's specifically

2622
02:47:22,812 --> 02:47:26,871
why we mentioned the wildfire mitigation efforts that we're using.

2623
02:47:26,871 --> 02:47:30,231
Um, because when we're assessing risk to our ability to

2624
02:47:30,412 --> 02:47:34,951
continue to perform our revenue generating functions, which is having

2625
02:47:34,972 --> 02:47:37,831
people come visit the town, right? So I would say

2626
02:47:37,871 --> 02:47:42,231
that a fire in a near proximity, probably not have

2627
02:47:42,231 --> 02:47:46,311
an impact on that. If some of the infrastructure or

2628
02:47:46,351 --> 02:47:49,991
landscape right around the town in our, you know, playground,

2629
02:47:49,991 --> 02:47:51,671
if you will, were to burn up, then that would

2630
02:47:51,671 --> 02:47:54,711
have an impact directly on our ability to generate that,

2631
02:47:54,711 --> 02:47:57,351
or something, anything on the ski resort. Um, so I

2632
02:47:57,351 --> 02:48:00,311
think when we started talking about the wildfire mitigation efforts

2633
02:48:00,892 --> 02:48:04,371
to protect us from that, potential, that's where, you know,

2634
02:48:04,732 --> 02:48:09,271
Zorn adequately noted, it helped to who we are rating.

2635
02:48:09,997 --> 02:48:13,656
Yeah, and where's going subtle E on that is efforts

2636
02:48:13,656 --> 02:48:16,296
like white bark, another organization, it's actually help our potentially

2637
02:48:16,296 --> 02:48:18,056
help our credit rating down the road. It has other

2638
02:48:18,096 --> 02:48:26,007
impacts versus just safety itself. Now I just make. Any

2639
02:48:26,007 --> 02:48:30,407
other questions for Lauren? Um, where are we at with

2640
02:48:30,748 --> 02:48:33,959
the judgment. Payoff? And is that I'm assuming that's factored

2641
02:48:33,999 --> 02:48:36,039
in the director. You guys are representing that to the

2642
02:48:36,700 --> 02:48:41,090
credit folks. And that it's stable day down. And it's

2643
02:48:41,130 --> 02:48:43,970
on the books. You can plug the hires. What's that?

2644
02:48:44,010 --> 02:48:46,370
You can plug the higher upgrade. We got upgraded on

2645
02:48:46,391 --> 02:48:50,450
the judgment as well. Yeah. So the two rating increases

2646
02:48:50,551 --> 02:48:52,770
on that particular one. I think it's a, it's a

2647
02:48:52,791 --> 02:48:56,690
double A minus, um, so it's even higher. Um, and

2648
02:48:56,690 --> 02:48:58,610
absolutely. Yeah. We make the debt service payment on the

2649
02:48:58,610 --> 02:49:01,330
annual basis. There's no opportunity to pay anything down in

2650
02:49:01,351 --> 02:49:03,730
early. Um, there's a call that comes usually at 10

2651
02:49:03,730 --> 02:49:07,130
years. Uh, that, that debt itself will be satisfied. I

2652
02:49:07,130 --> 02:49:11,070
think in 35, 36, um, and so it's, you know,

2653
02:49:11,191 --> 02:49:13,610
10 years out, um, but doing well, it's saving us

2654
02:49:14,631 --> 02:49:17,970
130, 000 dollars a year from with the original was.

2655
02:49:17,970 --> 02:49:21,490
So really a good program and excellent effort that Dan

2656
02:49:21,591 --> 02:49:24,770
put together when he was telling manager here. That's all

2657
02:49:24,951 --> 02:49:28,770
500. And then hang off the CRC with Measure, like

2658
02:49:28,770 --> 02:49:31,570
the things, is that, does that help our debt ratings

2659
02:49:31,570 --> 02:49:34,450
we issue dead pay it off? Everything's good. We do

2660
02:49:34,490 --> 02:49:37,090
it again. That's, that's like a, like a school. It's

2661
02:49:37,090 --> 02:49:41,490
like getting your similar to your personal. Yeah. Yeah. You

2662
02:49:41,490 --> 02:49:45,090
demonstrating the ability to manage your debt, right? And as

2663
02:49:45,130 --> 02:49:48,690
Lauren mentioned, you know, our debt is very, very small,

2664
02:49:48,690 --> 02:49:53,090
frankly, in comparison to, uh, any municipality. And then when

2665
02:49:53,111 --> 02:49:56,210
you demonstrate active management of that, where you're paying it

2666
02:49:56,210 --> 02:50:00,530
off and then seeking to re - engage, like when

2667
02:50:00,530 --> 02:50:04,930
we talk to Marty, our bond consultant, he expects to

2668
02:50:04,970 --> 02:50:07,410
hear from us when this is paid off for looking

2669
02:50:07,450 --> 02:50:10,290
at other opportunities and where we can engage and leverage

2670
02:50:10,330 --> 02:50:14,370
the funds. Um, but yeah, measure R will pay off.

2671
02:50:14,370 --> 02:50:16,690
I think it's next year that the, uh, the CRC

2672
02:50:16,690 --> 02:50:19,957
debt pays off. No need to get into this now.

2673
02:50:19,957 --> 02:50:22,277
But if we, uh, what's going on with the bond

2674
02:50:22,277 --> 02:50:26,597
market, if you guys, we have any big capital family,

2675
02:50:26,597 --> 02:50:28,197
we want to start thinking about doing these two late

2676
02:50:28,237 --> 02:50:32,163
already. But, um. It's never too late to always be

2677
02:50:32,264 --> 02:50:37,103
looking for potential market opportunities for saving. So, you know,

2678
02:50:37,103 --> 02:50:38,723
that's, that is something that we should be working with

2679
02:50:38,984 --> 02:50:41,763
our financial advisor on an ongoing basis for just any

2680
02:50:41,784 --> 02:50:44,803
sort of market changes. I mean, the feds have been

2681
02:50:44,803 --> 02:50:48,143
pretty stable recently. You know, they're not down or, you

2682
02:50:48,143 --> 02:50:52,403
know, reducing the rates right now. But if we start

2683
02:50:52,424 --> 02:50:55,683
to see them dropping 25 basis, you know, that's when

2684
02:50:55,683 --> 02:50:57,683
it's time to reach out and say, are there any

2685
02:50:57,683 --> 02:51:02,003
opportunities that, uh, would produce something worth savings of actually

2686
02:51:02,003 --> 02:51:05,043
going through a refinery? So that's real scenes. It's going

2687
02:51:05,144 --> 02:51:08,171
in the other direction. It's not going to move on

2688
02:51:08,192 --> 02:51:10,491
to go. So it'll be good if you, when you

2689
02:51:10,491 --> 02:51:12,331
guys get updates on that, you can share with us

2690
02:51:12,592 --> 02:51:17,614
anyway. Sure. Okay. Any other questions. Any public comments on

2691
02:51:17,614 --> 02:51:23,764
this issue online or in the room credit. Rate. Thank

2692
02:51:23,764 --> 02:51:27,204
you for your presentation. Well, thank you for your questions.

2693
02:51:27,204 --> 02:51:31,364
Okay. Uh, so we are on to item nine consent

2694
02:51:31,625 --> 02:51:35,124
agenda. 9. 1 approve the minutes of the regular meeting

2695
02:51:35,145 --> 02:51:39,604
of August 5th, 2026 9. 2. Oh, I like your

2696
02:51:39,625 --> 02:51:44,724
screensaver there. That's not mine. That's Microsoft. Approve the resolution

2697
02:51:45,145 --> 02:51:48,244
authorizing the purchase and sale of real property located at

2698
02:51:48,345 --> 02:51:53,684
550 Monostreet unit C201 in the Meridian Court Condominium Complex

2699
02:51:53,705 --> 02:51:57,284
under the Town's Housing Now revolving loan fund program and

2700
02:51:57,324 --> 02:52:00,724
bridge program. 9. 3 wave the reading and adopt by

2701
02:52:00,905 --> 02:52:06,244
title only the ordinance amending section 2. 04. 040 of

2702
02:52:06,345 --> 02:52:09,044
the Town of Mammoth Lakes Municipal Code related to Town

2703
02:52:09,084 --> 02:52:13,684
Council Compensation 9. 4 update and request continuing approval for

2704
02:52:13,865 --> 02:52:18,564
Airport Emergency Contract Work. 9. 5 authorized a professional services

2705
02:52:18,585 --> 02:52:23,204
agreement with Lisa Weiss consulting ink for Mammoth Crossing Project

2706
02:52:23,465 --> 02:52:28,484
Management Support. 9. 6 approve agreement with Mammoth Lakes Recreation,

2707
02:52:28,484 --> 02:52:32,004
MLR to provide services related to management of Measure R

2708
02:52:32,105 --> 02:52:36,244
and U funding for Recreation Arts and Culture and Mobility.

2709
02:52:36,244 --> 02:52:39,764
9. 7 reject all bids received for the 2026 fencing

2710
02:52:39,785 --> 02:52:44,324
and railing project and rebid 9. 8. Except check register

2711
02:52:44,585 --> 02:52:50,804
7. 3026. In the amount of 598, 235 dollars and

2712
02:52:50,804 --> 02:52:58,084
63 cents register, uh, 8626 in the amount of 481,

2713
02:52:58,505 --> 02:53:04,404
995 dollars and 21 cents. Except check register 813 26

2714
02:53:04,745 --> 02:53:09,684
in the amount of 879, 405 dollars in 54 cents.

2715
02:53:10,105 --> 02:53:13,608
What anyone like to pull anything. Yes, I like to

2716
02:53:13,608 --> 02:53:17,448
pull item 9. 5, please. Okay. Brent, are you pulling

2717
02:53:17,469 --> 02:53:21,768
anything? No, not. Okay. Like motion to approve all the

2718
02:53:21,808 --> 02:53:25,732
9. 5 that was bolt. Would you like to second

2719
02:53:25,772 --> 02:53:28,852
that motion, John? Yes, I will. Second roll call, please.

2720
02:53:28,852 --> 02:53:32,692
Council member Wentworth? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Mayor

2721
02:53:32,692 --> 02:53:37,047
Rice. Yes. Okay. On to item 9. 5 authorize a

2722
02:53:37,087 --> 02:53:41,687
professional services agreement with Lisa Wise Consulting, Incorporated for Mammoth

2723
02:53:41,727 --> 02:53:47,127
Crossing Project Management Support. Thank you. Um, for this opportunity,

2724
02:53:47,127 --> 02:53:49,507
I just wanted to give staff an opportunity to, um,

2725
02:53:49,708 --> 02:53:53,367
share with us in the public rationale. The reason for

2726
02:53:53,788 --> 02:53:56,967
this contract and what, uh, what the scope is and

2727
02:53:57,007 --> 02:54:01,421
what you hope to accomplish with this. Sure. So this

2728
02:54:01,421 --> 02:54:06,381
specific agreement would be for project management support specifically dedicated

2729
02:54:06,381 --> 02:54:11,101
to the Mammoth Crossing Project, um, with larger projects, they

2730
02:54:11,101 --> 02:54:13,741
can, um, such as this or such as the main

2731
02:54:13,922 --> 02:54:19,181
lodge, we development project. They can, um, inundate a single

2732
02:54:19,362 --> 02:54:21,741
staff member where it and that staff member is pulled

2733
02:54:22,402 --> 02:54:26,061
and basically only working on that project. And that creates

2734
02:54:26,061 --> 02:54:30,541
a problem within our department being a fairly small department.

2735
02:54:30,541 --> 02:54:34,941
We don't have, um, staffing to commit someone fully to,

2736
02:54:34,941 --> 02:54:38,701
you know, a project that potentially could take a year

2737
02:54:38,802 --> 02:54:43,021
plus in the review process. Um, so in these cases,

2738
02:54:43,021 --> 02:54:46,781
we often do look to contract out. The nice thing

2739
02:54:46,821 --> 02:54:50,461
I'm working with Lisa Weiss Consulting is there one of

2740
02:54:50,461 --> 02:54:55,021
their key employees was a previous employee of the town.

2741
02:54:55,021 --> 02:54:57,821
So she's very familiar with the town. Um, she actually

2742
02:54:57,842 --> 02:55:03,341
worked on the Mammoth Crossing District Zoning Amendment. And so

2743
02:55:03,522 --> 02:55:05,861
it's very familiar opposite with the North Village plan. So

2744
02:55:05,861 --> 02:55:07,821
it's not bringing someone in that has to not only

2745
02:55:07,821 --> 02:55:09,261
get up to speed. It's someone who's already up to

2746
02:55:09,301 --> 02:55:12,361
speed and can jump right in and provide that, um,

2747
02:55:12,482 --> 02:55:15,501
level of support for the towns that we're not inundated.

2748
02:55:15,501 --> 02:55:18,141
They also have additional resources. Obviously they can pull on.

2749
02:55:18,141 --> 02:55:21,421
So additional staffers and others to assist with the work.

2750
02:55:21,421 --> 02:55:24,621
And this is, um, different some of the other type

2751
02:55:24,722 --> 02:55:27,661
projects like with the development agreement, things like that, where

2752
02:55:27,661 --> 02:55:29,821
we're paying for it, right? The developer's not paying for

2753
02:55:29,821 --> 02:55:33,901
this. Um, no, the developer is responsible just as any,

2754
02:55:33,901 --> 02:55:39,101
um, whether it's staff managing the process or contract planner

2755
02:55:39,101 --> 02:55:45,115
managing the process, they do, um. Compensate for that effort.

2756
02:55:45,115 --> 02:55:47,835
So it's the same as any entitlement application, their responsible

2757
02:55:47,875 --> 02:55:50,875
to pay for the services. Okay. So this, but it

2758
02:55:50,875 --> 02:55:52,635
sounds like it'd be a little bit of a blend.

2759
02:55:52,635 --> 02:55:55,835
Like there'll be helped me out here. Is it going

2760
02:55:55,835 --> 02:55:58,875
to be all to the, to the proponent or is

2761
02:55:58,875 --> 02:56:01,675
it going to be a mix? Some, yes, some no.

2762
02:56:01,696 --> 02:56:04,235
No, they're responsible for a hundred percent of cost time

2763
02:56:04,256 --> 02:56:07,595
of materials for processing their applications. Okay. And this is

2764
02:56:07,616 --> 02:56:10,315
directly related to the processing of the application. Correct. So

2765
02:56:10,315 --> 02:56:13,275
we were taking a deposit, not deposit would then be

2766
02:56:13,296 --> 02:56:17,915
used to fund any invoices we get, whether it be

2767
02:56:18,096 --> 02:56:22,635
from lease to ice consulting or attorneys who are assisting

2768
02:56:22,656 --> 02:56:26,475
or providing legal, um, advice on the project, all of

2769
02:56:26,475 --> 02:56:30,395
that is repaid by the applicant. And they, they obviously

2770
02:56:30,416 --> 02:56:33,515
know that this is happening. Correct. Okay. All right. Those

2771
02:56:33,555 --> 02:56:35,835
are my questions. I just like to accentuate a couple

2772
02:56:35,875 --> 02:56:39,675
of comments too as well. Um, so, you know, the

2773
02:56:39,715 --> 02:56:42,955
first and foremost is Nolan indicated this, this is capacity

2774
02:56:42,995 --> 02:56:47,035
for the town, right? But that's great. It helps us

2775
02:56:47,136 --> 02:56:51,595
with, um, highly professional services that they can provide. They

2776
02:56:51,595 --> 02:56:54,315
do this much more frequently than we do. Um, but

2777
02:56:54,416 --> 02:56:56,955
it also just is capacity. But the point I wanted

2778
02:56:56,995 --> 02:57:00,235
to make is that the hiring of this consultant, while

2779
02:57:00,235 --> 02:57:03,755
it is fully funded by the applicant in the process,

2780
02:57:03,755 --> 02:57:07,195
um, is in support of the town, right? It is

2781
02:57:07,235 --> 02:57:11,035
supporting our work, our efforts, both to be responsive to

2782
02:57:11,035 --> 02:57:14,395
them and to make sure everything is accurate and complete.

2783
02:57:14,395 --> 02:57:19,335
Um, and, and it's really for us, essentially. It's for

2784
02:57:19,335 --> 02:57:21,515
the public interest. Yeah. It's definitely in the public interest

2785
02:57:21,696 --> 02:57:23,915
that this is accomplished. So thanks for letting me make

2786
02:57:23,955 --> 02:57:27,595
that point. Yep. Sure. Those are all my questions. Okay.

2787
02:57:27,776 --> 02:57:32,713
Are there any public comments. No. Would you like to

2788
02:57:32,713 --> 02:57:34,873
make a motion? Uh, yes. Madam Mayor, I would move

2789
02:57:34,894 --> 02:57:40,233
that the town council authorized a professional services agreement with

2790
02:57:40,334 --> 02:57:43,673
Lisa Weissons, subject to the Town Attorney's approval and finalization

2791
02:57:43,774 --> 02:57:48,656
of the agreement for Mammoth Crossing Project Management Support. I

2792
02:57:48,656 --> 02:57:52,176
will second that. Roll call, please. Councilmember Wentworth? Yes. Mayor

2793
02:57:52,176 --> 02:57:56,336
Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Mayor Rice. Yes. Okay. Um, so

2794
02:57:56,376 --> 02:58:00,016
we are on to item 10 policy matters. Item 10.

2795
02:58:00,117 --> 02:58:03,856
1. Consider the option agreement with the Mammoth Unified School

2796
02:58:03,896 --> 02:58:09,536
District. MUSD for the MUSD parcel housing project. Um, and

2797
02:58:10,277 --> 02:58:14,404
Andy, are you still with us. Still awake? Andy? Oh,

2798
02:58:14,505 --> 02:58:20,327
we need a lawyer. He might be, I've been getting

2799
02:58:20,367 --> 02:58:23,287
the room service coming out and he's like, what time

2800
02:58:23,287 --> 02:58:27,127
is it in Alaska? Yes, I am. Um, I just,

2801
02:58:27,308 --> 02:58:29,587
I, I know I've double checked with you before, but

2802
02:58:29,708 --> 02:58:39,176
I am an MUSD employee. I don't be. What? What

2803
02:58:39,176 --> 02:58:43,702
did you say? You are an ignorance to implement me.

2804
02:58:44,506 --> 02:58:46,165
Uh, can you hear me? Yeah. I can hear you.

2805
02:58:46,186 --> 02:58:50,005
I'm an MUSD employee. I don't I believe I don't

2806
02:58:50,045 --> 02:58:53,125
have to recuse on this. You hear me? Yes. I

2807
02:58:53,125 --> 02:58:56,729
can hear you. Can you hear us? Andy, can you

2808
02:58:56,729 --> 02:59:02,349
hear us? I can hear you. Yes, you are. That's

2809
02:59:02,349 --> 02:59:06,989
right. You don't have a conflict because income is not

2810
02:59:06,989 --> 02:59:11,229
considered for purposes the conflict rules. Okay. Thank you. Thank

2811
02:59:11,229 --> 02:59:16,996
you. No conflict. I'll text Rob. Okay. Thank you, Andy.

2812
02:59:18,217 --> 02:59:27,685
Thanks. All right. Nolan. Great. Um, so yes, this item,

2813
02:59:27,685 --> 02:59:29,765
we had an item a few months ago to talk

2814
02:59:29,765 --> 02:59:34,005
about, um, at that point was a letter of intent

2815
02:59:34,266 --> 02:59:36,965
to enter into future agreements with M - E -

2816
02:59:36,965 --> 02:59:39,605
O - S. Um, so the purposes of those agreements

2817
02:59:39,626 --> 02:59:45,659
is to, uh. Complete a land exchange between MUSD and

2818
02:59:45,699 --> 02:59:48,459
the town. They have interest in acquiring land to build

2819
02:59:49,120 --> 02:59:55,959
workforce housing for, um, that includes teacher, support staff. And

2820
02:59:55,959 --> 02:59:58,539
others within the district. And the town has an interest

2821
02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:04,299
in securing, uh, the recreation facility that's currently, the pickleball

2822
03:00:04,320 --> 03:00:08,219
complex that's on MUSD LAN. Um, so through those efforts,

2823
03:00:09,120 --> 03:00:13,419
we come to at least agreement amongst, um, staff as

2824
03:00:13,419 --> 03:00:16,459
to that this is a, makes sense. We have land

2825
03:00:16,499 --> 03:00:18,779
at the parcel that they could build on and they

2826
03:00:18,779 --> 03:00:23,056
have the pickleball complex. So through further discussions and meeting

2827
03:00:23,157 --> 03:00:28,096
weekly with their development team, um, and then on our

2828
03:00:28,197 --> 03:00:33,136
side, it's been haze myself and Marcus and really trying

2829
03:00:33,176 --> 03:00:37,376
to identify and all come to an agreement on land

2830
03:00:37,416 --> 03:00:39,936
within the parcel for where they could build their housing

2831
03:00:40,037 --> 03:00:45,216
project. Um, further this agreement, we had a multi -

2832
03:00:45,216 --> 03:00:51,436
day design surette two weeks ago where HMC architects, um,

2833
03:00:51,877 --> 03:00:58,016
came here and participated. Really to identify land that worked

2834
03:00:58,056 --> 03:01:00,176
both for the school district and also then worked for

2835
03:01:00,216 --> 03:01:05,536
the towns desire to build additional, um, workforce and affordable

2836
03:01:05,557 --> 03:01:09,272
housing within the parcel development site. Um, so what we

2837
03:01:09,373 --> 03:01:14,372
landed on working with them is to, for them, for

2838
03:01:14,372 --> 03:01:17,752
the school district to acquire sites nine and 10 within

2839
03:01:17,752 --> 03:01:20,512
the parcel master plans. That's the area I kind of

2840
03:01:20,512 --> 03:01:24,072
highlighted in the red box on the screen. It's border

2841
03:01:24,093 --> 03:01:27,672
chaperelle road and tavern road. It's kind of adjacent to

2842
03:01:28,893 --> 03:01:33,112
phase one, the Sawyer and the park facility. And then

2843
03:01:33,112 --> 03:01:36,692
to the north, it's bordered by the open space, um,

2844
03:01:38,013 --> 03:01:43,227
kind of wetlands parcel that goes through the site. To

2845
03:01:43,267 --> 03:01:46,907
identifying this side is that it has clearly defined boundaries

2846
03:01:48,368 --> 03:01:51,227
with the edges of the site, the wetlands, and the

2847
03:01:51,408 --> 03:01:54,107
roads. And so it kind of, it creates an area

2848
03:01:54,128 --> 03:01:58,587
for them to focus and work on their project. And

2849
03:01:58,587 --> 03:02:01,147
then of key interest to the town is that it

2850
03:02:01,168 --> 03:02:05,387
preserves all the area that south of Chaparrel, more on

2851
03:02:05,387 --> 03:02:09,227
the interior of the site where we could then build

2852
03:02:09,488 --> 03:02:14,487
our future workforce housing projects. So working with HMC, the

2853
03:02:14,487 --> 03:02:16,747
town did what we call a space test on that

2854
03:02:16,928 --> 03:02:22,187
site, really just looking, can we fit say 130 rental

2855
03:02:22,368 --> 03:02:25,627
apartments on that site and 40 ownership units on that

2856
03:02:25,808 --> 03:02:31,147
site along with the roads parking and mops? And their

2857
03:02:31,147 --> 03:02:33,707
preliminary tests, which is shown on the screen and the

2858
03:02:33,747 --> 03:02:37,947
lower boxes, indicated it can fit. There's obviously it's not

2859
03:02:37,968 --> 03:02:40,347
a final design for the town. But it gave us

2860
03:02:40,368 --> 03:02:45,067
the confidence to then kind of give at least at

2861
03:02:45,107 --> 03:02:48,027
a staff level a thumbs up to MUSD for sites

2862
03:02:48,048 --> 03:02:52,107
9 and 10. So on the screen there, what the

2863
03:02:52,107 --> 03:02:54,647
architects drew and mocked up for the school and the

2864
03:02:54,647 --> 03:02:59,173
preliminary site plan. Is in the area closest to tavern

2865
03:02:59,274 --> 03:03:06,473
road. This shows up or not, yep. With a pointer

2866
03:03:06,814 --> 03:03:08,793
in this area here, that would be the phase one

2867
03:03:08,833 --> 03:03:12,633
of the school project, which would be 24 units. These

2868
03:03:12,633 --> 03:03:15,273
would all be rental units. The school does not have

2869
03:03:15,273 --> 03:03:17,953
a desire to build ownership units because they want to

2870
03:03:17,953 --> 03:03:20,873
maintain control of the units and ensure that they are

2871
03:03:20,894 --> 03:03:25,176
remain available for their workforce. Also within the site, then

2872
03:03:25,176 --> 03:03:27,656
it would provide some additional land. I could be for

2873
03:03:27,696 --> 03:03:32,235
a future phases of development. They leased space planned it

2874
03:03:32,416 --> 03:03:35,835
where they could fit approximately 35 units and that remainder

2875
03:03:35,875 --> 03:03:38,475
of the site. Not that they're going to build 35

2876
03:03:38,496 --> 03:03:41,435
additional units, but they just wanted to keep their flexibility

2877
03:03:41,475 --> 03:03:44,875
open and have that option. Should they find more funding.

2878
03:03:46,312 --> 03:03:49,011
For the initial phase, the funding is in place through

2879
03:03:49,051 --> 03:03:51,651
the Measure J. That was the school bond the past

2880
03:03:51,651 --> 03:03:57,571
few years ago. That bond was intended to develop the

2881
03:03:57,672 --> 03:04:04,407
TK building. Recreate or kind of field house facility on

2882
03:04:04,428 --> 03:04:07,927
the school and then workforce housing. So this obviously is

2883
03:04:07,927 --> 03:04:11,287
directly related to the workforce housing component. They are working

2884
03:04:11,327 --> 03:04:14,887
through the agreements and other items to hopefully break ground

2885
03:04:14,988 --> 03:04:19,367
this coming spring. Should we approve all the different agreements

2886
03:04:19,548 --> 03:04:24,384
necessary for it. So this site is an approximately two

2887
03:04:24,424 --> 03:04:25,904
and a half acre site that we would be looking

2888
03:04:25,925 --> 03:04:29,664
to transfer to the district. The item tonight related to

2889
03:04:29,664 --> 03:04:33,824
the option agreement is necessary for the school to enter

2890
03:04:34,165 --> 03:04:40,944
into enter into a contract pre - construction services. And

2891
03:04:40,944 --> 03:04:46,144
then what's called a lease back at least back agreement

2892
03:04:46,245 --> 03:04:49,984
with that contractor, which is the way they'll be developing

2893
03:04:50,245 --> 03:04:54,544
the site has some uniqueness under the education code for

2894
03:04:54,584 --> 03:04:57,104
how they have to enter into that agreement. But this

2895
03:04:57,285 --> 03:05:01,439
is the kind of initial step for that. So before

2896
03:05:01,460 --> 03:05:03,999
I go to the pickleball complexes, is there any questions

2897
03:05:04,020 --> 03:05:08,559
on the parcel housing site? Just one for just clarify

2898
03:05:09,300 --> 03:05:11,279
when we talk about trade - off, but when they

2899
03:05:11,279 --> 03:05:13,199
do the building, they would be paying a hundred percent

2900
03:05:13,199 --> 03:05:17,679
of their construction cost for that parcel. That's correct. So,

2901
03:05:17,679 --> 03:05:21,179
uh, no town funding would go into this project. The

2902
03:05:21,179 --> 03:05:24,079
only real contribution from the town would be us exchanging

2903
03:05:24,119 --> 03:05:27,093
the land. And you might have answered this already. Sorry

2904
03:05:27,093 --> 03:05:29,233
if you did. What is the black arrow and the

2905
03:05:29,233 --> 03:05:35,144
black line for on the map. So this was, um,

2906
03:05:36,545 --> 03:05:39,484
all drawn up during, during the design Shirazo didn't get

2907
03:05:39,585 --> 03:05:43,564
fully refined. The black line is the current boundary of

2908
03:05:44,225 --> 03:05:47,324
lot nine and 10. Beyond that, is the open space

2909
03:05:47,505 --> 03:05:49,884
site. So they were looking, if the option to do

2910
03:05:50,545 --> 03:05:53,244
a lot line adjustment where they would own part of

2911
03:05:53,244 --> 03:05:56,524
that open space area, but not for development, but more

2912
03:05:56,705 --> 03:06:00,124
to, um, provide for setbacks with, with future buildings. Okay.

2913
03:06:00,625 --> 03:06:09,048
And then, um. These potentially 60 units, uh, affects our

2914
03:06:09,088 --> 03:06:15,895
ability to. Like, does it change the AMI levels that

2915
03:06:15,935 --> 03:06:18,535
we can build out in the future or like how

2916
03:06:18,716 --> 03:06:23,225
like the, the. The zoning of the land. Does it

2917
03:06:23,225 --> 03:06:25,985
have to be zoned to certain, you know, like with

2918
03:06:25,985 --> 03:06:28,465
the AMI levels and things like that. Like does that

2919
03:06:28,465 --> 03:06:31,585
come into play with how the whole parcel is zoned?

2920
03:06:31,585 --> 03:06:34,225
Sure. So the parcel mask plan allows for, I want

2921
03:06:34,225 --> 03:06:37,505
to say it's 550 units in the master plan. Within

2922
03:06:37,505 --> 03:06:44,305
that, um, 120 percent up to 200 percent

2923
03:06:47,286 --> 03:06:51,425
units in those higher AMI categories. And so it would

2924
03:06:52,006 --> 03:06:56,465
fall into that, that 120, I think it's about 80,

2925
03:06:56,465 --> 03:06:58,545
what's it, it's 80? 82 and a half. 82, yeah.

2926
03:06:58,966 --> 03:07:03,025
Units, um, and so should they build out all 60

2927
03:07:03,686 --> 03:07:06,305
that would then leave 22 that we could build on

2928
03:07:06,305 --> 03:07:13,342
those higher AMIs. But it's within that 82 number, not,

2929
03:07:13,342 --> 03:07:19,662
it doesn't change the overall number or reduced. Our kind

2930
03:07:19,662 --> 03:07:22,462
of site planning that we've done puts us right around

2931
03:07:23,123 --> 03:07:25,622
480 or so units could fit on the parcel. We

2932
03:07:25,622 --> 03:07:28,782
don't believe that we could actually get to 550 just

2933
03:07:28,782 --> 03:07:31,951
with all the other requirements that go into place. And

2934
03:07:31,951 --> 03:07:34,351
so it doesn't, um, put us up against that number

2935
03:07:34,612 --> 03:07:38,591
by any means. Okay. Thank you. Questions? Um, yeah, following

2936
03:07:38,591 --> 03:07:42,111
up on your question, are there AMI restrictions on the

2937
03:07:42,151 --> 03:07:45,551
stuff that they're going to build? Sure. So our proposal

2938
03:07:45,572 --> 03:07:47,711
with them was that we have to have an affordable

2939
03:07:47,732 --> 03:07:50,751
housing covenant because that's part of the personal master plan.

2940
03:07:50,751 --> 03:07:53,831
They are one of the greatest flexibility with kind of

2941
03:07:53,831 --> 03:07:58,410
where their staffing's at. And so our proposal. Kind of

2942
03:07:58,410 --> 03:08:00,770
anything above 120 as long as we spoil out 200

2943
03:08:01,191 --> 03:08:03,890
doesn't really, you don't get credit from HTD for providing

2944
03:08:04,231 --> 03:08:07,570
150 percent units or 180. So our suggestion to them

2945
03:08:08,071 --> 03:08:11,250
would, our restriction would be a 200 percent AMI. Just

2946
03:08:11,290 --> 03:08:14,050
they had the greatest flexibility in how they're managing the

2947
03:08:14,090 --> 03:08:17,490
units and working with their workforce. Okay. But then following

2948
03:08:17,490 --> 03:08:19,770
up on your question, that's not going to affect, if

2949
03:08:19,770 --> 03:08:22,570
they build everything out at 200, that's not going to

2950
03:08:22,570 --> 03:08:27,250
affect our ability to make decisions and choices for the

2951
03:08:27,290 --> 03:08:31,327
land that remains out there. Um, I don't believe so.

2952
03:08:31,348 --> 03:08:35,007
Our goal for the rental project would be that those

2953
03:08:35,047 --> 03:08:38,767
would be at de - restricted 120 percent So that's

2954
03:08:38,807 --> 03:08:42,810
the 130 units there. And then any ownership ones as

2955
03:08:42,810 --> 03:08:45,873
well. You know, we imagine a portion would be deed

2956
03:08:45,873 --> 03:08:49,279
restricted around 150. If I have a portion of B

2957
03:08:49,300 --> 03:08:53,359
restricted around 120, we don't have a, at least an

2958
03:08:53,380 --> 03:08:57,839
R analysis that anything really above 150 makes sense for

2959
03:08:58,020 --> 03:09:02,239
restriction. Just because you're starting to inch towards market where

2960
03:09:02,239 --> 03:09:04,719
you could afford market rate. So, but it is going

2961
03:09:04,719 --> 03:09:07,239
to factor in. If they build everything at 200, it

2962
03:09:07,239 --> 03:09:10,399
does factor into, into what we can do. Of that

2963
03:09:10,399 --> 03:09:14,639
82, yes. Okay. Um, are there any other, you mentioned

2964
03:09:15,380 --> 03:09:18,239
some, you know, Department of Education or regulations that they

2965
03:09:18,239 --> 03:09:21,679
have to deal with when they do this. Can you

2966
03:09:21,679 --> 03:09:25,199
talk a little bit about what kinds of, um, obligations,

2967
03:09:25,199 --> 03:09:28,239
legal obligations they have coming over, given that school that

2968
03:09:28,239 --> 03:09:30,959
it's a school project? Chair, I'd look to Andy. He's

2969
03:09:30,959 --> 03:09:34,559
obviously a little more versed in legal matters. And he's

2970
03:09:34,559 --> 03:09:40,705
in Alaska. I know. Internet's working. But the mayor, well,

2971
03:09:40,705 --> 03:09:43,265
if you can hear me, I have thoughts. So the

2972
03:09:43,305 --> 03:09:45,985
school district attorneys have told us that the provisions of

2973
03:09:46,025 --> 03:09:49,425
the education code, um, I've looked them just a little

2974
03:09:49,425 --> 03:09:52,945
bit. They are unique to school districts. They have no

2975
03:09:52,985 --> 03:09:56,256
comparison to what we have to do. And we've been

2976
03:09:56,256 --> 03:10:00,736
told that they have to do, uh, two step process

2977
03:10:00,917 --> 03:10:03,136
because they have to get, um, what you might call

2978
03:10:03,477 --> 03:10:06,016
length when you're. They have to lock up the right

2979
03:10:06,117 --> 03:10:09,776
to fire the land. And that's why we're doing it

2980
03:10:09,816 --> 03:10:13,616
this way. But it has no, it has no bearing,

2981
03:10:13,616 --> 03:10:16,576
no similarity, anything that the town does. Um, anything in

2982
03:10:16,576 --> 03:10:19,136
the education code is going to be a little formed

2983
03:10:19,136 --> 03:10:22,638
to us. And this certainly is that. But it's, it's

2984
03:10:22,739 --> 03:10:26,478
their thing. It's not going to affect us. It's their

2985
03:10:26,478 --> 03:10:33,897
problem. Okay. And who, so pickleball, the end of the

2986
03:10:33,897 --> 03:10:37,757
world in pickleball is still there, right? I would also

2987
03:10:37,778 --> 03:10:40,217
add on this site before we go on that, um,

2988
03:10:40,217 --> 03:10:43,597
that, um, our goal of providing workforce housing is achieved

2989
03:10:43,618 --> 03:10:46,237
by this. It's just somebody else building the workforce housing

2990
03:10:46,578 --> 03:10:50,157
here. So it's still achieving the goal of the parcel

2991
03:10:50,258 --> 03:10:53,517
completely. It's just not the town doing it. Yeah, it's

2992
03:10:53,557 --> 03:11:01,237
good. Um, see onto the pickleball complex. So obviously the

2993
03:11:01,498 --> 03:11:04,997
town currently has developed that site previously with an ice

2994
03:11:05,037 --> 03:11:08,437
rink. Now turn six pickleball courts as well as parking

2995
03:11:08,938 --> 03:11:12,757
on that site. So the minimum area that the town

2996
03:11:12,797 --> 03:11:15,557
would be looking to acquire would be the two and

2997
03:11:15,557 --> 03:11:18,517
a half acre that's outlined in the blue. So this

2998
03:11:18,517 --> 03:11:22,877
would secure the access into that upper or that, I

2999
03:11:22,877 --> 03:11:26,441
guess, more lower parking lot geographically. Parking lot, the pickleball

3000
03:11:26,462 --> 03:11:29,081
courts and then the land between the pickleball courts out

3001
03:11:29,121 --> 03:11:35,480
to Meridian Boulevard looking when you walk the site. The

3002
03:11:35,520 --> 03:11:39,720
intent for that land between the pickleball and Meridian is

3003
03:11:39,741 --> 03:11:43,160
its relatively flat. And so it could provide option for

3004
03:11:43,261 --> 03:11:47,320
additional expansion of what we would call the racket complex,

3005
03:11:47,320 --> 03:11:50,440
meaning we could potentially add additional pickball courts in that

3006
03:11:50,480 --> 03:11:53,960
area should the demand or additional or build tennis courts

3007
03:11:53,960 --> 03:11:57,000
in that area. The area in red there would be,

3008
03:11:57,000 --> 03:12:00,120
um, approximately the size of two tennis courts, um, with

3009
03:12:00,120 --> 03:12:04,240
all the additional space around the courts. And it's, I

3010
03:12:04,240 --> 03:12:09,187
think they need 60 by 120 feet. And so we've

3011
03:12:09,368 --> 03:12:11,987
kind of mapped out that, that could, you know, in

3012
03:12:11,987 --> 03:12:15,107
the future should there be a desire there. There's not

3013
03:12:15,128 --> 03:12:17,827
obviously an immediate plan to build more there. We did

3014
03:12:17,848 --> 03:12:25,003
look at what it could look like. In this area.

3015
03:12:25,003 --> 03:12:27,483
That area does get very steep. So it has some,

3016
03:12:27,584 --> 03:12:31,723
some topographic challenges. There may be some desire from the

3017
03:12:31,904 --> 03:12:34,203
district though that they don't have a need for this

3018
03:12:34,464 --> 03:12:36,961
land. Here. And so that's really the option to grow

3019
03:12:37,062 --> 03:12:40,641
to six acres. So ongoing discussions there, whether there is

3020
03:12:40,742 --> 03:12:44,321
interest from the town to acquire that. We don't have

3021
03:12:44,321 --> 03:12:47,361
a useful it necessarily, but if there's desire from the

3022
03:12:47,361 --> 03:12:51,681
school, then it may be beneficial. But at minimum, it

3023
03:12:51,681 --> 03:12:54,401
would be acquiring that the pickleball courts, the parking and

3024
03:12:54,401 --> 03:12:57,921
that, that land. But if we were to acquire that,

3025
03:12:57,921 --> 03:13:03,441
all the, uh, the mandates from an education perspective that

3026
03:13:03,481 --> 03:13:06,121
they don't apply. Like in this land exchange, this is

3027
03:13:06,182 --> 03:13:09,921
our land free and clear. There's no mandates, no legal

3028
03:13:11,622 --> 03:13:13,761
things that are attached to the land. What's the exchange

3029
03:13:13,862 --> 03:13:17,121
is complete. Correct. So it would be town owned and

3030
03:13:17,121 --> 03:13:19,521
then become a town - owned recreation facility. And we're

3031
03:13:19,622 --> 03:13:21,681
just clear of all the school district and all that

3032
03:13:21,721 --> 03:13:25,121
stuff. Correct. Okay. Yes. That's right. And just to clarify

3033
03:13:25,121 --> 03:13:27,281
on that one. So what's the zoning on that right

3034
03:13:27,281 --> 03:13:32,210
now. Uh, public and quasi public. Yeah. State public, quasi

3035
03:13:32,210 --> 03:13:34,770
public, even with, it just, it's only stage. It's just

3036
03:13:34,770 --> 03:13:37,810
land would change ownership. Correct new boundary would get drawn

3037
03:13:38,071 --> 03:13:43,010
carving out the town parcel from the MUSD parcel. And

3038
03:13:43,031 --> 03:13:45,810
so, Nolan, what's the little box left there that looks

3039
03:13:45,810 --> 03:13:52,690
like a that was, um, uh, a graphic design air.

3040
03:13:52,690 --> 03:13:55,090
That was me trying to overlay me trying to overlay

3041
03:13:55,130 --> 03:13:57,490
a tennis court rather than just a red box onto

3042
03:13:57,530 --> 03:13:59,490
the graphic. I was like, that's going to be a

3043
03:13:59,490 --> 03:14:01,730
weird piece of property to own right there in the

3044
03:14:01,770 --> 03:14:05,857
corner. Yeah. That's what happens when you try to do

3045
03:14:06,038 --> 03:14:14,179
graphic design and PowerPoint. Canva. Are you ready for questions?

3046
03:14:14,440 --> 03:14:16,499
Um, the last one, just a few of the bullet

3047
03:14:16,539 --> 03:14:19,539
points, what is called the option agreements. This is the

3048
03:14:19,560 --> 03:14:23,619
agreement that's actually necessary for at least the school district

3049
03:14:23,659 --> 03:14:27,619
to move forward with, um, their pre - construction services

3050
03:14:27,880 --> 03:14:30,739
because it gives them the exclusive option to acquire the

3051
03:14:30,739 --> 03:14:33,539
housing site. So that's what they need to move that

3052
03:14:33,800 --> 03:14:38,579
forward. Um, prior to the actual exchange of the property.

3053
03:14:38,579 --> 03:14:41,499
So to give them exclusive option to acquire it, it

3054
03:14:41,499 --> 03:14:44,099
would require them then to convey the pickleball complex to

3055
03:14:44,099 --> 03:14:47,590
the town and the same transaction. Uh, we put a

3056
03:14:47,590 --> 03:14:52,518
deadline of completing this by August of 2027. Um, the

3057
03:14:52,539 --> 03:14:55,358
exchange agreement is what would follow the option agreement. So

3058
03:14:55,358 --> 03:14:58,518
that would actually establish the terms of the transfer, include

3059
03:14:58,518 --> 03:15:02,118
the exact legal descriptions for both sites. Again, we talked

3060
03:15:02,118 --> 03:15:05,158
about the requirement for the Affordable Housing Covenant. That's a

3061
03:15:05,158 --> 03:15:08,358
requirement of the parcel master plan. And then the last

3062
03:15:08,619 --> 03:15:12,118
two bullet points are ones we added, um, one that

3063
03:15:12,118 --> 03:15:16,358
we would have the option to purchase back any undeveloped

3064
03:15:16,379 --> 03:15:19,558
land in the option agreement we put. If it remains

3065
03:15:19,899 --> 03:15:23,558
undeveloped after 10 years from the exchange, um, we'll see

3066
03:15:24,699 --> 03:15:28,358
the school district comes back with requesting a different, different

3067
03:15:28,398 --> 03:15:30,758
timeline. But we thought 10 years was reasonable for them

3068
03:15:30,758 --> 03:15:33,798
to build the initial phase and then figure out if

3069
03:15:33,798 --> 03:15:35,558
there is a kneed or a desire to build any

3070
03:15:35,579 --> 03:15:38,838
subsequent phases on that, that land. Then the last one

3071
03:15:38,838 --> 03:15:41,398
is that the town would have the first rider refusal

3072
03:15:41,819 --> 03:15:47,638
to purchase any developed housing or undeveloped land should MUSD

3073
03:15:47,638 --> 03:15:50,358
ever choose to sell. So should they say they build

3074
03:15:50,379 --> 03:15:52,718
a housing and then feel they don't want to be

3075
03:15:52,718 --> 03:15:54,758
in the housing market. The town would have the first

3076
03:15:54,779 --> 03:15:59,398
option of refusal on that. And that's not setting like

3077
03:15:59,438 --> 03:16:03,798
a deed restricted sale price. That's just the first option

3078
03:16:03,979 --> 03:16:06,678
to purchase. Yeah. And Andy, correct me if I'm wrong,

3079
03:16:06,678 --> 03:16:09,558
but I think that the language there is, um, reasonable

3080
03:16:09,979 --> 03:16:16,683
market value. Okay. He's not going to correct you. Okay.

3081
03:16:18,144 --> 03:16:21,403
Um, are you ready for questions now? Yes. Any questions?

3082
03:16:21,443 --> 03:16:23,723
I asked my questions. Oh, I'm good. Thank you. Just

3083
03:16:23,723 --> 03:16:26,763
one more question. So we made some adjustments with our

3084
03:16:27,824 --> 03:16:31,883
developer that has done existing development over there. There are

3085
03:16:31,883 --> 03:16:35,563
certain things that DA that gave them certain opportunities there.

3086
03:16:35,563 --> 03:16:37,563
And we all good with this in terms of with

3087
03:16:37,563 --> 03:16:40,363
that agreement and doing this. There's no conflict or do

3088
03:16:40,363 --> 03:16:44,156
we need to adjust that agreement. So we have an

3089
03:16:44,156 --> 03:16:48,959
option agreement with Pacific, um, to exit the DDA. That

3090
03:16:48,959 --> 03:16:53,199
gives the town the unilateral option to, um, to exit

3091
03:16:53,239 --> 03:16:57,879
that. And so we prior to executing any agreements, we

3092
03:16:57,879 --> 03:17:03,519
will have to act on that agreement. Um, we were,

3093
03:17:03,519 --> 03:17:07,119
um, intentionally wait until we were under construction on, on

3094
03:17:07,380 --> 03:17:10,399
Kingfisher 2 and some of those other items were in

3095
03:17:10,399 --> 03:17:14,399
place that it didn't, you know, unintentionally impact any of

3096
03:17:14,399 --> 03:17:17,279
those agreements or those funding or other items. So we're

3097
03:17:17,279 --> 03:17:20,159
now in a position to act on that option agreement.

3098
03:17:20,180 --> 03:17:23,119
Okay. But that would happen immediately. That would happen the

3099
03:17:23,119 --> 03:17:27,649
next stage. Correct. Okay. Okay. Are there any public comments

3100
03:17:27,830 --> 03:17:32,485
from anyone in the room or online. No. Okay. I

3101
03:17:32,525 --> 03:17:36,646
would entertain a motion. Or let's shall we discuss further.

3102
03:17:38,225 --> 03:17:40,844
I'm very supportive of this. Okay. I would entertain them.

3103
03:17:40,945 --> 03:17:43,884
I will make a motion. Um, I moved to authorize

3104
03:17:43,884 --> 03:17:46,924
the town manager to sign the option agreement with MUSD

3105
03:17:47,665 --> 03:17:51,903
for the MUSD parcel housing project. And containing the deal

3106
03:17:51,924 --> 03:17:55,023
points identified in the staff report subject to the town

3107
03:17:55,063 --> 03:17:59,343
attorney's approval and finalization of the agreement. I was second.

3108
03:17:59,524 --> 03:18:03,183
Roll cop, please, Jamie. Councilmember Wentworth? Yes. Mayor Pro Tim

3109
03:18:03,183 --> 03:18:07,255
Truax. Yes. Mayor Rice. Yes. Okay. And we are moving

3110
03:18:07,276 --> 03:18:13,015
on to item 10. 2 approve and adopt resolutions modifying

3111
03:18:13,055 --> 03:18:17,255
the compensation plan and reclassification of specified full - time

3112
03:18:17,276 --> 03:18:23,175
permanent management employees association MEA and Executive Positions and Salary

3113
03:18:23,215 --> 03:18:28,935
Schedules. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so the item before

3114
03:18:29,036 --> 03:18:32,375
you tonight is, it's something that we don't do very

3115
03:18:32,396 --> 03:18:36,775
frequently. It is not a part of any negotiation strategy

3116
03:18:37,036 --> 03:18:42,855
or any consultation with, um, our associations. This is more

3117
03:18:42,855 --> 03:18:46,775
fulfilling the requirement of the Town Manager to produce what's

3118
03:18:46,775 --> 03:18:50,435
called both a classification plan and a compensation plan. Um,

3119
03:18:50,476 --> 03:18:56,775
which outlines the structure and staff levels that the town

3120
03:18:56,815 --> 03:19:00,295
puts forth and, you know, performing our functions, uh, the

3121
03:19:00,396 --> 03:19:03,895
classification plan, uh, in part reads the town manager shall

3122
03:19:03,935 --> 03:19:06,775
prepare classification PAN, which sets forth all the classes of

3123
03:19:06,796 --> 03:19:11,214
positions in the town service. Classification plan shall be so

3124
03:19:11,214 --> 03:19:14,974
developed and maintained that all positions substantially similar with respect

3125
03:19:14,995 --> 03:19:19,134
to duties, responsibilities, authorities and character of work are concluded

3126
03:19:19,174 --> 03:19:23,374
within the same class and that the same class schedules

3127
03:19:23,374 --> 03:19:26,014
of compensation may be made to apply with equity under

3128
03:19:27,075 --> 03:19:31,120
working conditions for all employees. The compensation plan is also,

3129
03:19:31,120 --> 03:19:34,400
um, will provide salary schedules salary rates salary ranges and

3130
03:19:34,440 --> 03:19:38,800
steps. Each class in the classification plan shall be assigned

3131
03:19:38,840 --> 03:19:42,080
to salary range or rate established in the compensation plan.

3132
03:19:42,080 --> 03:19:44,240
All persons employed by the town shall be compensated in

3133
03:19:44,240 --> 03:19:47,840
accordance with this plan. So I'm required as a town

3134
03:19:47,880 --> 03:19:51,200
manager to provide modifications to these plans from time to

3135
03:19:51,200 --> 03:19:58,648
time. We have meaning we, the Executive team have been

3136
03:19:58,688 --> 03:20:04,568
reviewing required modifications and discussed sort of a structure by

3137
03:20:04,589 --> 03:20:08,628
which we could pull something together that makes a lot

3138
03:20:08,628 --> 03:20:12,648
of sense with regard to shared responsibility or similar responsibility

3139
03:20:12,688 --> 03:20:15,874
for each of the staff level. Things happen across time

3140
03:20:15,975 --> 03:20:20,034
when you think about a compensation plan. You're adding positions.

3141
03:20:20,034 --> 03:20:23,554
You're sometimes sunsetting positions, things are changing. Um, and so

3142
03:20:23,575 --> 03:20:25,474
you, you have to, you put them in place with

3143
03:20:25,575 --> 03:20:28,514
regard to where they were at the time. Um, what

3144
03:20:28,615 --> 03:20:30,754
made the most sense. But you never step back and

3145
03:20:30,794 --> 03:20:33,394
take a holistic look at that and do, do all

3146
03:20:33,394 --> 03:20:37,314
the positions, uh, make sense with where they're located and

3147
03:20:37,314 --> 03:20:40,624
the level of compensation they receive. Typically when you think

3148
03:20:40,624 --> 03:20:44,924
of, um, our general employees, our public work employees, the

3149
03:20:44,965 --> 03:20:48,944
hourly staff, those all connect directly with a lot of

3150
03:20:48,984 --> 03:20:54,144
changes that happen statewide with regard to, um, the part

3151
03:20:54,184 --> 03:20:56,784
- time employment minimum wage activities and all those things

3152
03:20:56,784 --> 03:20:59,344
that sort of adjust that. And in the last several

3153
03:20:59,344 --> 03:21:02,224
years, the town has made modifications to our general employees

3154
03:21:02,565 --> 03:21:05,984
and public works employees. But we did not make those

3155
03:21:06,005 --> 03:21:09,984
same or similar changes all the way up through management

3156
03:21:10,165 --> 03:21:14,464
level and executive level employees. The difference between those different

3157
03:21:14,504 --> 03:21:18,304
employee classifications are very significant in the fact that management

3158
03:21:18,325 --> 03:21:22,784
level and executive level are salaried. So they're not able

3159
03:21:22,784 --> 03:21:25,344
to earn any over time for the work that they

3160
03:21:25,365 --> 03:21:28,944
perform. And, uh, and therefore that, you know, the salary

3161
03:21:28,984 --> 03:21:32,304
structure, if you will, sort of encompasses all the activity

3162
03:21:32,344 --> 03:21:35,904
that they could incur, um, just basically work to get

3163
03:21:35,904 --> 03:21:38,544
the job done instead of working on an hourly basis.

3164
03:21:40,250 --> 03:21:43,269
Um, some of the things that, uh, we, we did

3165
03:21:43,309 --> 03:21:48,069
in this effort is reduced the number of, of potential,

3166
03:21:48,069 --> 03:21:52,789
uh, classifications for wage in the MEA category. We had

3167
03:21:53,050 --> 03:21:56,469
in the original from an M102 all the way up

3168
03:21:56,509 --> 03:22:03,109
through an M113 as an optional pay structure. In this

3169
03:22:03,149 --> 03:22:05,989
recommendations that we're making tonight, we condense that down to

3170
03:22:06,010 --> 03:22:10,389
five different areas or categories or groupings, if you will,

3171
03:22:10,410 --> 03:22:14,389
of employees. Um, the first one being M 201s, it's

3172
03:22:14,389 --> 03:22:17,189
entry level management employee may or may not have supervisor

3173
03:22:17,210 --> 03:22:20,709
responsibility of limited term employees typically does not have supervisor

3174
03:22:20,749 --> 03:22:24,069
responsibility for full - time employees. Um, so that just

3175
03:22:24,069 --> 03:22:28,069
sort of defines their level of responsibility. And 202, this

3176
03:22:28,069 --> 03:22:31,829
category, um, it's usually a higher level of responsibility with

3177
03:22:32,090 --> 03:22:34,789
newer developing areas within our organization. We thought this was

3178
03:22:34,829 --> 03:22:38,469
a new category. We should add, um, because we are

3179
03:22:38,509 --> 03:22:44,389
making modifications to how we have, uh, employees in this

3180
03:22:44,429 --> 03:22:47,989
particular category. They may or may not have a supervisor

3181
03:22:48,090 --> 03:22:53,509
responsibilities, but they can be, uh, charged with significantly complex

3182
03:22:53,530 --> 03:22:56,309
functions within the organization. And a lot of times their

3183
03:22:56,309 --> 03:22:59,589
developmental. So meaning there's no roadmap for how those are

3184
03:22:59,629 --> 03:23:04,789
performed. They're working through, um, that process. M203, this category

3185
03:23:04,829 --> 03:23:10,389
is high volume supervision of many employees. Large scale operations

3186
03:23:10,410 --> 03:23:14,069
with the organizations, but they typically coordinate closely with other

3187
03:23:14,250 --> 03:23:17,829
management or executive level staff. Um, so they have a

3188
03:23:17,869 --> 03:23:20,389
lot of people they're responsible for, um, but they do

3189
03:23:20,410 --> 03:23:24,629
get support in that effort. Uh, M204, this category typically

3190
03:23:24,730 --> 03:23:27,829
responsible for the entire department and will receive support from

3191
03:23:28,090 --> 03:23:31,829
higher management. But, um, they have requirements for increasing levels

3192
03:23:31,850 --> 03:23:35,429
of education within this category and perform the role for

3193
03:23:35,530 --> 03:23:39,815
the organization. And then finally M205, that's the highest level

3194
03:23:40,156 --> 03:23:43,735
in the management employee association. They require the highest level

3195
03:23:43,775 --> 03:23:47,175
of education, responsibility, and often our responsible for an entire

3196
03:23:47,215 --> 03:23:51,415
division. And they can be considered at a direct deputy

3197
03:23:51,455 --> 03:23:55,735
director level within our organization. So that's how we comprised

3198
03:23:55,775 --> 03:24:01,655
the management level staff, uh, within this particular compensation agreement.

3199
03:24:03,596 --> 03:24:07,975
The MEA classifications at M201 through M205, I just described,

3200
03:24:07,975 --> 03:24:09,815
have a range of 30 percent from the very bottom

3201
03:24:09,836 --> 03:24:14,375
of the range to the top. And that range size

3202
03:24:14,375 --> 03:24:17,335
of that range is determined by how much growth is

3203
03:24:17,335 --> 03:24:22,855
expected from someone starting new any leadership role until they're

3204
03:24:22,876 --> 03:24:25,495
a seasoned leadership aspect. You, you are going to have

3205
03:24:25,596 --> 03:24:29,175
steps that you go across time. Were you gaining experience,

3206
03:24:29,175 --> 03:24:32,175
um, you are able to earn additional wage based on

3207
03:24:32,175 --> 03:24:35,735
that experience because your contribution to the to the organization

3208
03:24:35,836 --> 03:24:40,232
climbs with that. In this particular modifications that we're suggesting

3209
03:24:40,413 --> 03:24:45,112
tonight, uh, there are some changes that will be immediate

3210
03:24:45,152 --> 03:24:47,992
for a few employees if they are not at the

3211
03:24:49,053 --> 03:24:52,872
lowest or minimum level that was set for that range.

3212
03:24:52,872 --> 03:24:55,112
There'll be a bump to get them to that minimum

3213
03:24:55,133 --> 03:24:57,592
level. And there are a couple of people that are

3214
03:24:57,613 --> 03:25:01,992
affected by, uh, that change in this process. So there'll

3215
03:25:01,992 --> 03:25:05,432
be some immediate changes to wage base based upon these,

3216
03:25:05,432 --> 03:25:08,792
uh, these new salary ranges, but only in the MEA

3217
03:25:08,832 --> 03:25:13,443
category. I took this a little bit further and sort

3218
03:25:13,443 --> 03:25:20,003
of tied the executive employee classifications in a similar fashion

3219
03:25:20,344 --> 03:25:28,987
to what was described in the MEA classifications. And tied

3220
03:25:28,987 --> 03:25:33,467
them to levels of responsibility, but also an increment above,

3221
03:25:33,467 --> 03:25:39,067
um, the highest level of management. For example, in our

3222
03:25:39,067 --> 03:25:42,107
executive levels, there is a manager level. Um, this position

3223
03:25:42,528 --> 03:25:45,387
is, he's on the Executive team similar responsibilities and education

3224
03:25:45,488 --> 03:25:49,707
required for the highest levels of MEA, but an at

3225
03:25:49,728 --> 03:25:54,027
will, um, situation, which means they are, they're not represented

3226
03:25:54,067 --> 03:25:58,667
by an employee association. They can be terminated at any

3227
03:25:58,667 --> 03:26:03,307
time with or without cause. Uh, and they basically are

3228
03:26:03,347 --> 03:26:08,427
involved in leadership level discussions. And often have responsibilities that

3229
03:26:08,467 --> 03:26:12,907
cross all departments within the organization. And all of those,

3230
03:26:12,907 --> 03:26:15,787
uh, positions report directly to the town manager. That particular

3231
03:26:16,528 --> 03:26:22,115
classification. The next classification item is director one. That's position

3232
03:26:22,456 --> 03:26:25,075
is a responsibility for an entire division, uh, within the

3233
03:26:25,096 --> 03:26:29,795
organization. They're expected to lead that division without direct supervision.

3234
03:26:29,835 --> 03:26:33,695
They don't, they all report to the town manager, but

3235
03:26:33,695 --> 03:26:38,435
they really are autonomous in their function. And, uh, basically

3236
03:26:39,256 --> 03:26:42,435
our responsible for not only the operation of that, that

3237
03:26:42,536 --> 03:26:47,235
division, but the coordination between other divisions within the organization.

3238
03:26:47,235 --> 03:26:51,315
So, but they are, they're responsible for one, um, department,

3239
03:26:51,315 --> 03:26:55,313
if you will. Director level two, Zapposition is the same

3240
03:26:55,334 --> 03:26:58,513
responsibility as director one. However, they have multiple divisions of

3241
03:26:58,553 --> 03:27:01,233
responsibility within the organization. So there's a little bit more

3242
03:27:01,254 --> 03:27:03,313
to that. And there's like a seven and a half

3243
03:27:03,313 --> 03:27:10,193
percent paper as a whole. The additions of multiple departments.

3244
03:27:11,040 --> 03:27:13,579
And then finally the Town Manager, so as the town

3245
03:27:13,619 --> 03:27:16,779
manager level, the highest level employee within the organization and

3246
03:27:16,819 --> 03:27:19,979
responsible for literally all aspects of the organization and the

3247
03:27:20,019 --> 03:27:22,619
delivery of the core services to the community. Um, and

3248
03:27:22,640 --> 03:27:26,539
then that has a classification. That is a certain percentage

3249
03:27:26,880 --> 03:27:31,543
higher. than the director two level. In all classifications in

3250
03:27:31,543 --> 03:27:34,583
the executive range, it's a range from top to bottom

3251
03:27:34,623 --> 03:27:40,663
of 25 percent of the fact that the, um, employees

3252
03:27:40,703 --> 03:27:44,643
that are in the executive status, typically don't require, um,

3253
03:27:45,644 --> 03:27:48,263
additional. They don't gain a lot of experience over time.

3254
03:27:48,263 --> 03:27:50,263
They come with that experience. It's what that got them

3255
03:27:50,303 --> 03:27:52,503
into that role. But there are things that they learned

3256
03:27:52,503 --> 03:27:54,823
about their particular job across time. And there is an

3257
03:27:54,863 --> 03:27:57,863
opportunity to grow that. Um, there are no steps in

3258
03:27:58,124 --> 03:28:00,983
these salary ranges, but there's an opportunity to earn a

3259
03:28:01,023 --> 03:28:04,823
merit increase in an annual basis. So, um, while there

3260
03:28:04,863 --> 03:28:08,263
are no modifications to salary specific to the Executive team

3261
03:28:08,364 --> 03:28:13,143
based on this in all considerations, the salary has increased

3262
03:28:14,044 --> 03:28:17,203
in each of these ranges. Um, so across time, the

3263
03:28:17,203 --> 03:28:20,183
financial considerations are that this will have a higher cost

3264
03:28:20,204 --> 03:28:23,863
to the organization, um, but it's a way of structuring

3265
03:28:24,444 --> 03:28:28,563
the sort of management to leadership team in a way

3266
03:28:28,563 --> 03:28:32,583
that makes sense based upon responsibilities. Um, so I wanted

3267
03:28:32,623 --> 03:28:34,903
to kind of emphasize that point that, you know, it

3268
03:28:34,924 --> 03:28:38,103
does have financial implications in the long run as people

3269
03:28:38,444 --> 03:28:40,663
will gain more experience and they're merit increases will get

3270
03:28:40,703 --> 03:28:43,063
them into the upper echelons, but it's not a significant

3271
03:28:43,164 --> 03:28:47,383
modification to, um, what we had. It's just wanting to

3272
03:28:47,383 --> 03:28:50,823
draw that point to everyone's attention. Uh, happy to answer

3273
03:28:50,924 --> 03:28:54,023
any questions before you, there are two resolutions that talk

3274
03:28:54,023 --> 03:28:59,703
about the, um, the actual language around the requirement to

3275
03:28:59,743 --> 03:29:05,223
make these, um, modifications. And the way that they're outlined

3276
03:29:05,263 --> 03:29:08,823
with regard to responsibility, but they also have, um, the

3277
03:29:08,863 --> 03:29:13,543
salary schedule specific to positions located in there. And you

3278
03:29:13,543 --> 03:29:16,423
can clearly see the groupings for that. And that is

3279
03:29:16,423 --> 03:29:20,583
in both the MEA section and in the executive section.

3280
03:29:20,583 --> 03:29:24,063
There are two separate resolutions, two separate salary schedules. So

3281
03:29:24,204 --> 03:29:29,412
happy to answer any questions. Questions. John. I don't have

3282
03:29:29,452 --> 03:29:32,692
any questions. It sounds like Rob's taking care of the

3283
03:29:32,732 --> 03:29:36,043
house. You know, questions I had Rob already answered when

3284
03:29:36,043 --> 03:29:38,523
I met with him. So I'm good. Okay. Is there

3285
03:29:38,523 --> 03:29:41,299
any public comment from anyone in the room. Or online.

3286
03:29:41,914 --> 03:29:47,345
No. Okay. Are you all ready to make a motion?

3287
03:29:47,345 --> 03:29:51,925
If you're an entertain emotion. I will move to approve

3288
03:29:51,965 --> 03:29:54,565
the resolution. If this car, make sure it says two

3289
03:29:54,565 --> 03:29:57,525
resolution. It's supposed to exhibit A and B covers it.

3290
03:29:57,565 --> 03:30:00,725
But approve the resolution modify and the compensation plan and

3291
03:30:00,826 --> 03:30:07,045
reclassification specified MEA and Executive Positions as well as accompanying

3292
03:30:07,045 --> 03:30:11,205
salary schedules as outlined in Exhibit A and Exhibit B.

3293
03:30:11,245 --> 03:30:16,905
Does that cover for both of them? Yes. I'll second

3294
03:30:16,945 --> 03:30:22,512
the motion. Council member Wentworth. Really answering emails there, John.

3295
03:30:23,093 --> 03:30:27,152
Sorry. Uh, yes. Mayor Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Air rice.

3296
03:30:27,192 --> 03:30:31,196
Yes. All right. Thank you Rob. We are on to

3297
03:30:31,297 --> 03:30:35,467
Council Member Reports. Brent, would you like to go first?

3298
03:30:35,568 --> 03:30:38,027
Sure. Going to go back up here. Had an LTC

3299
03:30:38,528 --> 03:30:42,269
meeting. There will be a hydrogen bus that's here on

3300
03:30:42,290 --> 03:30:46,109
the 27th and 28th. I believe it's 28th has taken

3301
03:30:46,530 --> 03:30:49,709
from trip from, uh, Math Mountain down to Reds Meadow

3302
03:30:49,890 --> 03:30:51,629
will be available if you want to ride the hydrogen

3303
03:30:51,650 --> 03:30:56,589
bus down. So is that a demonstration? Demonstrate of August.

3304
03:30:56,589 --> 03:30:59,709
Demonstration as we're exploring the possibility of hydrogen down the

3305
03:30:59,709 --> 03:31:02,989
road if it makes any feasibility for public transportation usage.

3306
03:31:03,029 --> 03:31:04,989
Interesting. So a lot of things to work out there

3307
03:31:05,010 --> 03:31:08,749
with everything else in the world. Like for instance, fuel

3308
03:31:08,789 --> 03:31:11,949
for hydrogen is like 200 miles away is the closest

3309
03:31:11,989 --> 03:31:14,829
possible fuel. And when you're a range of 300 miles,

3310
03:31:14,829 --> 03:31:17,309
that makes it a little tough to fuel up. So,

3311
03:31:17,309 --> 03:31:20,589
but it, uh, has some interesting prospects there. We also

3312
03:31:20,850 --> 03:31:24,269
at the LTC good discussion about unmetrantation needs and trying

3313
03:31:24,269 --> 03:31:26,349
to make sure people have the availability not only within

3314
03:31:26,450 --> 03:31:29,149
town, within the county to have transmission they need to

3315
03:31:29,149 --> 03:31:32,349
get to and from, very aspects of their lives. Um,

3316
03:31:32,690 --> 03:31:36,349
interesting that session two was that this is old data

3317
03:31:36,370 --> 03:31:38,509
now, but there's already 11, 000 people that had taken

3318
03:31:38,549 --> 03:31:41,789
the shuttle two reds meadow even on the limited shuttle

3319
03:31:41,789 --> 03:31:43,629
schedule that we have right now. So it's been very

3320
03:31:43,669 --> 03:31:47,552
popular. It's increased transportation. Um, attend the wine walk. I

3321
03:31:47,552 --> 03:31:50,312
thought it was a great job done by everybody. It's

3322
03:31:50,312 --> 03:31:54,632
there. Um, I went to King Lear and, um, David

3323
03:31:54,733 --> 03:31:57,672
did an excellent job as King Lear. And it's over

3324
03:31:57,672 --> 03:32:00,152
now, but it should, uh, exemplify what we can do

3325
03:32:00,192 --> 03:32:05,592
in this community to do, uh, with the right resources.

3326
03:32:05,592 --> 03:32:07,758
And maybe we can do it even more. Great. That's

3327
03:32:07,758 --> 03:32:10,858
all I got. Thank you. John? Uh, yeah. So, um,

3328
03:32:10,979 --> 03:32:13,918
August 7th, I attended a meeting of the something called

3329
03:32:13,918 --> 03:32:17,118
the ICARP tech. This is that climate group that I

3330
03:32:17,379 --> 03:32:19,758
serve on is in the governments, the governor's Office of

3331
03:32:19,779 --> 03:32:25,118
Land use and climate innovation. Really, you know, the high

3332
03:32:25,158 --> 03:32:28,668
value of these meetings is the presentations we get. From

3333
03:32:28,769 --> 03:32:33,228
outside parties outside groups. And we had a really interesting,

3334
03:32:33,228 --> 03:32:37,068
uh, presentation from, uh, the Department of Conservation, which is

3335
03:32:37,108 --> 03:32:39,948
getting an enormous amount of prop for money. Uh, that's

3336
03:32:39,948 --> 03:32:42,188
separate from like what SNC and other state agencies are

3337
03:32:42,188 --> 03:32:44,268
getting. And there may be opportunities for us to access

3338
03:32:44,289 --> 03:32:46,828
some of that. Especially one of the wildfire work that

3339
03:32:46,828 --> 03:32:51,228
we're doing. Um, because that is a climate resilience play.

3340
03:32:51,228 --> 03:32:53,308
And their baby way to get funds from that for

3341
03:32:53,348 --> 03:32:55,708
our recreation assets. It's just tied into the work we're

3342
03:32:55,708 --> 03:32:59,228
doing with the, uh, with the ESTCRP. So that was

3343
03:32:59,228 --> 03:33:03,228
interesting. Interesting discussion about climate resilience districts. There's something in

3344
03:33:03,268 --> 03:33:05,628
the state of California. You can establish a climate resilient

3345
03:33:05,649 --> 03:33:09,948
district. Um, it doesn't come with anything other than the

3346
03:33:10,049 --> 03:33:11,708
local jurisdiction has got to come up with the money

3347
03:33:12,049 --> 03:33:14,268
come up with everything else. But you can have a

3348
03:33:14,308 --> 03:33:17,383
climate district. So that was kind of interesting. But also

3349
03:33:17,383 --> 03:33:21,863
very interesting presentation from the North Coast Resource Partnership, which

3350
03:33:21,884 --> 03:33:23,543
if you're familiar with that is a sort of the

3351
03:33:23,644 --> 03:33:26,983
gold standard for regional, uh, collaboratives and partnerships from the

3352
03:33:27,023 --> 03:33:29,703
North Coast. So that was very interesting. Um, then today

3353
03:33:32,524 --> 03:33:35,463
I had the privilege of attending the Mammoth Exterism Board

3354
03:33:35,503 --> 03:33:41,733
meeting. Um, some pretty interesting updates today. Uh, first on

3355
03:33:41,994 --> 03:33:44,613
global tourism. MLT is making a decision to cut back

3356
03:33:44,714 --> 03:33:47,973
significantly the presence in global markets. A lot of it

3357
03:33:47,973 --> 03:33:49,813
has to do with the perception of the United States

3358
03:33:49,914 --> 03:33:52,773
around the world and our global market. So they're going

3359
03:33:52,773 --> 03:33:56,053
to be cutting resources back there and focusing on domestic

3360
03:33:56,794 --> 03:34:00,733
visitation. So that was pretty interesting. Um, I also, I

3361
03:34:00,733 --> 03:34:02,213
was out of town last week. I was back East

3362
03:34:02,253 --> 03:34:04,373
on some family stuff. Um, I had a chance to

3363
03:34:04,394 --> 03:34:08,853
start reviewing the destination to draft destination management plan. Rob

3364
03:34:08,853 --> 03:34:11,473
and I checked in on that today. A lot of

3365
03:34:11,473 --> 03:34:13,173
interesting ideas in there, but it's going to take some

3366
03:34:13,173 --> 03:34:15,333
work to get something that I think we can work

3367
03:34:15,373 --> 03:34:17,333
with. So we're going to Rob and I'll be working

3368
03:34:17,333 --> 03:34:23,008
on that. And again, the team they have over there,

3369
03:34:23,008 --> 03:34:25,888
just incredibly, it's incredibly rich asset that I know we're

3370
03:34:25,989 --> 03:34:29,008
working on how we can leverage those capacity. This technological

3371
03:34:29,109 --> 03:34:32,448
capacities that they have, there's really interesting. On the air

3372
03:34:32,488 --> 03:34:34,368
service update, it sounds like the city of Bishop might

3373
03:34:34,408 --> 03:34:37,648
be wanting to get into the game, uh, after a

3374
03:34:37,648 --> 03:34:40,848
lot of resistance and a lot of kind of whatevers,

3375
03:34:40,848 --> 03:34:43,248
but we're seeing regional partners trying to come to the

3376
03:34:43,288 --> 03:34:45,488
table with this, which is really exciting. And this has

3377
03:34:45,488 --> 03:34:47,488
to do, I think, with the idea and the opportunity

3378
03:34:47,528 --> 03:34:50,208
for year - round air service, which the MLT folks

3379
03:34:50,229 --> 03:34:53,328
have advised their very, very close, uh, to getting the

3380
03:34:53,368 --> 03:34:55,488
funding in place to be able to do that. Which

3381
03:34:55,589 --> 03:34:57,648
city of Bishop and Yo Canon would be huge beneficiaries

3382
03:34:57,688 --> 03:34:59,168
of that. So that's going to be very interesting thing

3383
03:34:59,168 --> 03:35:01,968
going forward. Um, and I don't know if it's been

3384
03:35:02,008 --> 03:35:05,968
mentioned this evening, but, uh, we set, we, all of

3385
03:35:05,968 --> 03:35:11,648
us at a TOT record, uh, for 25, 26. Best

3386
03:35:11,648 --> 03:35:14,288
year ever. So thanks to Mammoth Exterism. Thanks to the

3387
03:35:14,328 --> 03:35:17,488
town for all that. Um, but it brings me back

3388
03:35:17,509 --> 03:35:19,168
a little bit. And Rob and I talked about this

3389
03:35:19,669 --> 03:35:21,888
that nice discussion. We had over there in the basement

3390
03:35:21,888 --> 03:35:24,368
of the brewery. You take a very kind of ambitious

3391
03:35:24,389 --> 03:35:27,968
destination management plan. We're doing well financially. Where are we

3392
03:35:27,968 --> 03:35:30,128
going? And I think it would be great to have

3393
03:35:30,229 --> 03:35:32,128
that whenever Rob is ready to bring that back a

3394
03:35:32,128 --> 03:35:34,288
little bit. So we as a council, when we're having

3395
03:35:35,029 --> 03:35:37,968
these discussions with the desk station management plan, what are

3396
03:35:38,008 --> 03:35:40,948
the council's goals around things like climate, some of the

3397
03:35:40,948 --> 03:35:42,688
things we've talked about. It's going to be important to

3398
03:35:42,728 --> 03:35:45,328
have those things to help deframe what frame that thing

3399
03:35:45,328 --> 03:35:47,808
up, uh, for its final deliverable for something that we

3400
03:35:47,808 --> 03:35:52,608
can work with. But interesting meeting. That's it. So thank

3401
03:35:52,608 --> 03:35:54,208
you. Great. And I feel like we have to add

3402
03:35:54,389 --> 03:35:57,728
thank you to our community for welcoming all those visitors.

3403
03:35:58,080 --> 03:36:01,659
And having the best TOT here on record, right? Like,

3404
03:36:01,659 --> 03:36:03,899
yeah, and I said, it's all of us. It's all

3405
03:36:04,240 --> 03:36:06,779
business. Yes. The whole world is a team. The whole

3406
03:36:06,779 --> 03:36:11,014
thing is working really well. Um, okay. So, um, Stu

3407
03:36:11,115 --> 03:36:14,294
told you about the parks and recreation master plan survey.

3408
03:36:14,294 --> 03:36:17,014
Yes. I found the link. Okay. Um, we have that

3409
03:36:17,035 --> 03:36:20,934
going on. Uh, I attended the county in town liaison

3410
03:36:20,934 --> 03:36:27,399
committee meeting. And we did discuss mobile home. Um, just

3411
03:36:27,399 --> 03:36:30,519
kind of, kind of the environment and what's happening at

3412
03:36:30,559 --> 03:36:33,639
the county level versus the town. Um, and then I

3413
03:36:33,639 --> 03:36:36,759
also attended August 13th this year, summer nights, which was

3414
03:36:37,660 --> 03:36:40,919
a little chilly for August, but it was, I had

3415
03:36:40,919 --> 03:36:43,399
a great time and I would love to see more

3416
03:36:43,660 --> 03:36:45,239
next summer. I don't know if it would be feasible

3417
03:36:45,239 --> 03:36:48,439
or not, but I think that it's, um, wonderful night

3418
03:36:48,460 --> 03:36:51,479
for our community. There's, it's lovely to see so many

3419
03:36:51,500 --> 03:36:54,599
local families and just local community members just out there

3420
03:36:54,700 --> 03:36:57,879
enjoying themselves. Um, and then my kids also got to

3421
03:36:58,060 --> 03:37:02,119
attend their, the skateboarding camp and they had a fabulous

3422
03:37:02,300 --> 03:37:06,119
time. And well, they're scraped knees have still not healed,

3423
03:37:06,119 --> 03:37:08,999
but they loved it and, um, thank you to our

3424
03:37:09,020 --> 03:37:11,559
staff for doing such a great job with our summer

3425
03:37:11,580 --> 03:37:16,279
camps. Um, yeah, so that's all I have to report.

3426
03:37:16,279 --> 03:37:18,919
Um, so we will move on to item 12, request

3427
03:37:18,919 --> 03:37:23,146
for future agenda items. I do not. John, do you

3428
03:37:23,146 --> 03:37:27,881
have any requests. Uh, bunch of ideas, but no. I

3429
03:37:27,881 --> 03:37:31,321
think no requests other than Haze is going to bring

3430
03:37:31,361 --> 03:37:34,361
in something back, right? Coming out of this, anything else,

3431
03:37:34,361 --> 03:37:37,895
Rob that you heard that's coming back. But we have

3432
03:37:37,895 --> 03:37:40,375
those on you. Agenda. So these would, this request is

3433
03:37:40,375 --> 03:37:42,455
just, what are we not know that you guys want?

3434
03:37:42,455 --> 03:37:44,615
Well, I would start, I would say I would love

3435
03:37:44,615 --> 03:37:49,335
to discuss inclusionary housing and diff fees. Yeah. For sure.

3436
03:37:49,927 --> 03:37:51,906
Is there anything else that you'd like to record? No,

3437
03:37:51,906 --> 03:37:53,666
that's, that's a, that's a sort of a hot ticket

3438
03:37:53,706 --> 03:37:58,147
at this point. Okay. Yeah. All right. Uh, we are

3439
03:37:58,168 --> 03:38:00,467
ready to adjourn. So the town Council will adjourn to

3440
03:38:00,507 --> 03:38:04,467
a regular meeting being held on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2026

3441
03:38:04,888 --> 03:38:06,707
at 4 p. m. We hope to fill all the

3442
03:38:06,888 --> 03:38:13,524
seats. For coming. Have a good night. Have a good

3443
03:38:13,524 --> 03:38:14,484
night. Thank you very much.