Deep leaf Town, brother? I haven't seen him a long
time.
It's four o'clock. Let's start our meeting. Roll call, please,
Jamie. Council Member Saluser is absent, Councilmember Wentworth. Here. Mayor
Pro Tem Truax? Here. Mayor Rice. Here, all right. And
John Stewart is going to lead us in the Pledge
of Allegiance tonight. And to the Republic, for which
it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and
justice crowd. Thank you. Okay, it's time for public comment.
If any member of the public has a comment for
anything that's not on the agenda, please come up to
the podium, or if you're online, please raise your hand
and Zoom, and we'll get to you. Welcome. Aramanna and
City Council members, and I notified clerk before. My name
is Philip Batonkhart. We are longtime seasonal. Visitors this year
in Snow Creek 5. From our home in La Quinta,
where it is 105 degrees right now. I wanted to
extend the remarks that I also presented to the tourist
board earlier today and put in two salutes. One to
the limelight, where we had the privilege of staying for
three days to prepare ourselves for the wine walk, if
you will. It's an extraordinary property. We also had an
opportunity to tour this ski club. And of course, the
few remaining luxury homes, if you will, I think maybe
the food service is still a work in progress, but
the buffet breakfast is extraordinary. We enjoyed every minute of
it. Secondly, for the wine walk, we want to salute.
Tom, thistle, and the volunteers and their team in the
small world department, Tom's father and I are actually officemates
in Newport Beach. And we were thrilled to hear that
he has come to Mammoth Lakes. He and his wife.
They are great community assets. We thought the wine walk
was absolutely the best management of volunteers. The participation was
just extraordinary. And I think you are very fortunate to
have them as distinguished representatives of the Mammoth Mountain Community
Foundation, and we want to salute everyone who participated Saturday.
And who knew that shots bakery had a wine of
their own with grapes in Bishop? Of course, we had
device of at the end of the day. Thank you,
Madam Mayor. Thank you so much. And I'm glad to
see that Tom Bissell's walking well again. All right. Any
other public comments from anyone in the room? Hi Kevin,
how are you doing? Hi, good evening, Mayor, members of
the Council. I'm Kevin Leanne with Mona County Office of
Education. And I'm here today to extend an invitation to
our Mammoth Husky's Mural Celebration. It's taking place next Tuesday
at Mammoth High School at 5 p. m. This was
a collaboration led by Mona County Office of Education in
partnership with the school district. We're here to celebrate the
new mural. I'm sure you all have seen it. I'll
leave some copies down here for you in the public.
Thank you so much. I saw it's beautiful and I
think it's going to stay on there really well because
it's in the shade. It's great. Awesome. Yeah. And we've
also got the Mammoth High Schools Culinary Arts Program serving
the refreshments as well as some music from the music
program, from our student musicians. So it should be a
lot of fun. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Okay, thank
you. Hi, Brianna. Hello. Good afternoon, Council. Brionic Waco, Mammoth
Lakes Chamber of Commerce. Just wanted to highlight a few
things coming up in the business. And outside of the
business world, we'll be doing a ribbon cutting for new
business grooms by Axel. It's a mobile dog grooming business
on national dog day. Uh, which is Wednesday 20, sorry,
Wednesday, August 26th. We'll be over at the dog park
from four to five if you're able to join us.
Always great to see Council and Community members there, um,
to celebrate a new business in town. So bring your
four - legged friends and come join us. Um, next
item Community Coffee this month will be on Thursday, August
27th. As always, 8. 30, 9. 30 on Zoom, and,
uh, this month's topic will be featured on, um, wildfires
and all of the different mitigation efforts that we've been
seeing go on around town. So obviously the lot of
activity out there. So it'll be nice to have an
update from white Bark Institute, uh, Mammoth Lakes fire protection
district in Cal Fire. So join us for that Thursday,
August 27th, 8 30 on Zoom and our coffee shop
this month is Looney Bean. Um, speaking of the culinary
program at the high school, they're doing really great things
over there with Stacey Schlekto leading the students there. Uh,
we're going to be doing a restaurant association mixer on
Wednesday, September 9th over at the school. So, um, our
local restaurant tourists can see what's going on locally to
prepare youth hopefully for careers in food and beverage. So,
uh, we'll have that on Wednesday, September 9th, 3. 30
to 5, uh, over at the high school. Um, and
then. Sorry, um, and then we will be hosting a
candidate forum. Um, on September 29th. So I've been in
touch with all eight. I think that's correct. Eight candidates
that are writing for the three seats, um, for Town
Council. And so we're going to be hosting a forum.
It won't just be us asking questions of the candidates
the whole time as we've done in the past. And
I know you've, you've participated in those fun sessions. Um,
what also has some time for the participants to just
get some FaceTime, some round table with the different candidates,
just a little less formal, um, more casual setting for
people just to get to know who is running for
council. Uh, so that'll be at burgers Tuesday, September 29th,
noon to 1 30 p. m. Anyone from the community
is welcome to join us. Um, this is part of
our new at the table lunch series that we're doing
and really just trying to facilitate more conversation amongst the
community. Uh, and then lastly our, um, nominations are open
for our 10th annual business excellence wards. So that'll be
open through the end of the month. So anyone in
the community can nominate any business, any person, um, that
they feel has gone above and beyond, um, in our
eight various categories. You can just go to our website,
uh, mammothlakeschamber. org for that. And we would love to
hear from lots of different parts of our community on
that. And, uh, last thing I don't know if I
mentioned here, but the business guide is final. Um, so
we're working on getting that up on our website and
we've already started talking to, uh, some different perspective businesses,
current businesses expanding businesses about the business guide and really
hope that can serve as a resource, uh, for them
for both, um, the chamber, town and the county to
use. Thank you so much. Thank you.
Uh, good evening. Madam Mayor Council, Tom Hodges. I'm here
before you deceive need in my role as the president
of the board of Eastern Sierra Committee Housing. And it's
my sincere pleasure this evening to introduce you to our
new Executive Director, John Stewart, who all let step up
to the Bodium here in a minute. But, um, I
just want to acknowledge our, you know, recent actions of
Eastern Circuit Community Housing that, you know, we, as you
guys are all well aware, are longtime Executive Director stepped
away to accept a position with Montal County Patricia Robertson
after 13 years of service. The organization. And we wish
we're very well in her new role there with Moto
County. That was back in March. And we, uh, in
the process of recruiting a new Executive Director, we hired
an interim executive director that I think some of you
may have met. I know staff interacted with Dean Toppman,
who was a really well qualified individual with a lot
of background and workforce affordable housing. And it was fantastic
to have him sort of fill the gap. And assist
us with recruiting a new Executive Director. And I just
wanted to mention that we did go through a pretty
extensive process. We had the position advertised and solicited and
received about over 200 applications. Near the field down and
went through other interview processes and settled on John. So,
um, and I just mentioned, you know, some of the
reasons we selected John for the role is really, you
know, really exemplary past work history as a leader of
other nonprofit organizations. And specifically John worked for two fairly
large, fairly guaranteed nonprofit healthcare organizations, both in Virginia and
in Kansas, uh, were organizations that had, you know, in
excess of 100 employees and budgets and excess of 10
million dollars involved a lot of interaction with federal agencies
and funding and so forth and the communities that they
were serving. And that really stuck out to us is
something that we were looking for in the role of
our new leader for our organization. It's just somebody with
that real solid leadership experience. Um, John also, and I
don't want to steal all of us thunder, but he's
got, uh, personal connections here in Mammoth specifically with his
family. And I'll let him mention that maybe to you
guys. And then I also wanted to mention just of
interest. John probably wouldn't tell you this. But he's a
University of Kansas graduate. Actually as a graduate degree in
architecture, which also we thought was very appealing to us
in our organization, you know, as we do some development
work. And then also of note, he was a Division
I college football player for university of Kansas. And defensive
end? Defensive end. So yeah, so I always know to
keep my conversations level with John. So with that, I'll
let John introduce myself here. Thank you, Tom. Thanks Tom.
Mayor Council members. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good evening. I
appreciate the opportunity to introduce myself. Um, and more importantly,
to begin working with you all, uh, whether in this
official capacity or elsewhere in the community, as Tom said,
my name is John Stewart. I just joined Eastern Sierra
Community Housing as the Executive Director. And this is particularly
meaningful for me. I've spent a lot of my career
in mission driven organizations. And my connection to the Eastern
Sierra's personal is Tom said. My three adult kids are
settling here and sitting down roots. And I've spent enough
time here in this community to know that Mammoth is
a remarkable place. As I know you all know, um,
and that it's also incredibly challenging to build a life
here. Um, housing is obviously at the center of that.
And housing isn't simply about putting a roof over someone's
head. I believe it's, uh, matter, a measure of our
success will be whether the teacher, the restaurant worker, the
young family and people who keep this community running can
actually imagine a future here. I still very much, uh,
am in listening mode. I'm getting to know our staff,
our board. I'm understanding our properties still, uh, our programs.
And I'm digging into our operations. But, uh, and I'm
beginning conversations with community partners. But one thing's already really
clear to me. There's no single entity that's going to
solve this alone. This is going to be collaborative. I've
also learned over many years of leading community organization that
partnership has to be earned. And I feel strongly that
you earn it by doing what you said you do
by bringing bad news early. And by bringing solutions when
you bring problems. And that's the kind of partner I
want ESCH to become. At the same time, I like
all of us to think ambitiously about what ESCH can
become and what role we should be playing and helping
the people of this community, not just find housing, but
put down roots. I know the composition of this council
would be changing over the next several months, which makes
this especially important time for me to listen, for me
to learn from those who've been doing this work for
a while. Um, and I hope you'll give me the
opportunity to sit down individually with each of you and
to understand what you've learned. And help me understand what
I need to know to make ESCH more successful. And
ultimately to make this a better community. So I think
our success, as I said, will be measured by how
many, not just by how many people we help house.
But by how many people we're helping put down roots.
So I'll look forward to working with you and I
want to thank. You. Thank you so much. Any other
comments from public comments from anyone in the room. Anyone
online, Jamie. No. Okay. Uh, we will move on to
item four additions to the agenda. Robert, any additions. Madam
Mayor, there's a modification to the agenda. We are removing
item 7. 1 for a future meeting. And that would
be the presentation from Eastern Sierra Community Foundation. Um, they
will be prepared for meeting in September. Okay. Thank you
so much. So we are on to item five introductions
5. 1, introduce new arts and culture manager David Barron.
Evening, Madam Ehrpretend, members of Council. Star Community, big night
tonight. We're welcoming lots of people to our community. So
I'm going to be as brief as I can. I'm
missing a contact line. So I have to bear with
me too, right? So anyway, so that's my privilege today
to introduce David Barron to you. Yeah. Uh, and the
community, uh, as I knew what's in culture manager for
the new Dave and Roman were quiets in cultural centre.
We're all very excited. Um, David brings an exceptional blend
of leadership, strategic insight and experience in theater, media to
this position. And we are immensely excited to welcome David.
In this new role. Um, little bit of background. David
Holter degree in theatre from Yale University. He'll talk a
little bit more about kind of that. Uh, with focus
coursework and theater management. Through the Yale School of Drama.
His early career included production and theatre management roles. With
institutions such as the Manhattan Theatre Club and the Mabu
Mines. Maboo. Got that right? Uh, he also co -
founded and managed the sacred fools theater in Los Angeles,
which is a company that continues to thrive to this
day. Uh, David also has a long career at the
end. Also had a long career, not saying it's okay.
Always time. Always had a long career at the end
section of Meteor and Technology, highlighted by a 14 year
career as a founding Executive at Hulu, as well as
roles at Microsoft Paramount Fox and Disney. After three decade
hiatus from performing, David returned to the stage this past
year. Oh, appearing as bully in driving, Miss Daisy, the
Mammoth Lakes Repertory Theatre. I'm going fast as I can.
And more recently taking on the Title Roll as King
Lir, if you saw that up at the Little Eagle
lodge outdoors, which was amazing. Um, David is married to
Chris. Yay. Previous mayor and have been full - time
residents for over five years. And homeowners here since for
20. They have two kids, Sam and Ellie, both of
whom were on the Man Mosquito team and enjoyed Manless
Summer Camps. Of course I did, thank you. Coached by
Stu. I know, right? Uh, and heights in there backcountry.
Um, apparently you've got a crazy dog called Linus, which
I think we've all met. Some of you have that.
Yep. Uh, and two senior cats, both are rescues. So
the opening of the, uh, new 259 seat theater, um,
marks one of the most exciting developments as we are
known Mammoth Lake's short history. 40 years and young. Getting
from here to opening days, we know we're required deliberate
planning. Thoughtful strategic investment, uh, and tremendous community engagement collaboration
with our many arts and culture organizations. David's major responsibilities.
We didn't touch on these. We'll be back in a
couple of weeks with more detail. Uh, in the coming
months include coordinating with public works and Amy and that
team and Hayes on the construction of the facility, if
you saw some of the photos today, we share those.
And the plan technical capabilities of the theater space. David
will also be hiring and training our technical and operational
team and staff developing a robust two year performance calendar.
So we're really looking at building out next year's and
the following year's calendar, uh, the next, you know, a
few months. Uh, we'll also be launching a new website.
So it'll be kind of standalone to the Town Civic
Plus site, right? It's got its own look brand feel.
So we're excited about that. Um, also established a strong
social media presence and building a dynamic community engagement and
region wide outreach plan. Right. We've got a great new
shiny object. Let's tour the world. Um, one of the
other items that we're working on, which is kind of
a standalone system, um, that's, well, yet standalone to dash
in our day smart system, uh, will be kind of
a new ticketing system. Right. So performing arts has a
very narrow specific, um, kind of field based on ticketing.
It has to do a range of, um, a functionality
such as subscriptions, have to assign seating, right? Uh, we
want to scan out many members and ticket holders into
the facility. Needs to manage donations, manage box office operations.
So we're going to be digging into selecting a ticketing
system over the next few months as well. So lots
do. So we're very excited about that. But all of
these really leads us into kind of building and excitement.
And really that momentum, right, that we've been building for
the last kind of decade and beyond, uh, as we
move closer to opening the doors of our brand new
performing art centre. And when I say our, it's really
ours in the community. So we're really excited about that.
Uh, that's enough of me. Like I said, it's a
privilege and honor to welcome David just to the microphone
if you want to say a few words. It'd be
wonderful. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. Mayor Rice Council
members friends. First, I really want to thank all of
you and Rob and Stu for this opportunity. This is
a huge opportunity to expand on the great creative work
that already occurs every day in this town. And really
create a truly wonderful and unique culture of the fine
and performing arts in the town of Mammoth Lakes anchored
by the new Dave and Roman McCoy Arts and Cultural
Center. And I'm really honored to have a chance to
shepherd this project forward. I would also be remiss if
I did not thank Chris for helping facilitate this job.
Um, and, uh, thank you for coming today. Um, I
look forward to coming back to, uh, in a couple
weeks, uh, with an updated roadmap of what we need
to accomplish over the next few months and the next
year as we get to opening day for the new
theater. We're going to continue to update you on our
progress on a pretty regular basis and bring to fruition
what I know has been a very long process in
getting a performing art center built and operating in this
town. Uh, in the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach
out if you have any pressing questions or things that
we need to address. And I really look forward to
working with all of you as we get to opening
night. And thank you again. Thank you.
Again, you should kind of cost him. Thank you. I'll
come. Yeah. We can't eat dance. Okay. We
are on to item six reports from commissions and or
departments as needed. Stu, are you coming back up here?
Reports from commissions and or departments as needed. Don't encourage
him, please.
So. Any opportunity. To speak and promote a wonderful world
of park recreation. Um, so I just did want to
highlight that the, uh, future park amenity survey is now
live. So hopefully everyone's had a chance that participating kind
of sharing their voice about kind of what they would
like to see at the Billshack parcel is a future
park. And then the opportunities that we have for expanding
wet more recreation area. So please jump on and do
that. I do want to say also that the clock
is ticking on opportunities to play at the Mammoth Rect
Zone. Uh, that'll close August 30th. August 30th. Coming up
fast. Yep. Um, we are going to start pulling some
of that sports tile, the two volleyball courts. We're going
to move one of those volleyball courts over to the
school that they would use for their, um, invitational volleyball
tournament. I think it's over Labor Day weekend. And then
we'll be, um, simultaneously making ice. So we hope to
have ice. By mid - September. And again, our opening
for the public is October 1st. Uh, the Whitmore Pool
is also scheduled to, um, close for open swim and
kind of public recreation swim also on August 30th. That
is that Sunday, last Sunday in August. And it'll stay
open for the next couple of weeks for lap swim
through September 11th. So that's how that looks through there.
Um, and I think that's kind of all they had
on that world unless you think that there's anything else.
So my camp's finished, which is very exciting. Um, and
we will be introducing hopefully in our next Council meeting,
uh, on September 2nd our four program of enrichment and
after school. Activities. Wonderful. Um, do you plan to offer
some availability for like Tuesdays for parents who have a
hard time picking up their kids early for early release
days? Or do we, is that in our, in the
works also? Good. Great. We'll pass that on. Fabulous. Yes.
Any questions for Stu? Uh, where can we find the
link to that survey? Is that something you can, someone
could send you. Appreciate that. So, um, that link is
available through our social media content. It's also available on
the Town's website under parks and recreation. People can just
click on packs and recreation master plan. They'll take them
straight through that website. Okay. So if you want to
find the pox recreation, mask the plan, Google jump on
the Google tool. It'll take you straight to that website
and click on the survey. It's in both English and
Spanish. And, uh, so far we've received, I think over
120 responses. So, um. We're very fortunate and grateful. The
community's kind of weighing in. And then we'll be, I
think, coming back, um, with our consultants later in September
for some more community engagement. So I'll talk about that.
In the next meeting. But thank you for the opportunity.
Fabulous. Thank you so much. Any other reports from departments.
No. Um, Mayor Rice, I'd like to just make a
couple of comments about the hiring process for which David
was selected because that's fairly, it was fairly significant and
robust in that. And I want to thank all the
people that participated in that process. Obviously we were thrilled
with the outcome of landing on David as a selected
status. But we did have a robust interest in that
role. Um, we had, you know, I think more than
60 people that originally applied for the role. Uh, had
several different processes by which we interviewed folks for that
role. Um, and, you know, the first one being a
staff sort of narrowing that down, uh, and the staff
went through, I think 16 different interviews, narrowed that down
to the three that I then interviewed with Stu and
a consultant, uh, and then we decided after that interview
process, um, members of the community also involved in that
selection process. So, um, the, through the three processes by
which, um, making a decision on that, uh, it was
overwhelming support for David in that role. Then I had
the unfortunate role of contacting Chris and saying, uh, well,
Chris, we want to select your husband for this role.
So, uh, you'll have to vacate your position with council.
So I want to clarify a little bit of that
and just let folks know that's the process by which
we went through and that decision. And it was, it
was a really well thought out one. It was a
long and delicate process that we had to work through.
And I just want to appreciate the HR team Stu
and everyone else for getting through that effectively. So. Thank
you. Thank you. And I mean, I guess his comment
of Chris facilitating his position is her putting her political
career on hold. Cause I, when you first said that,
David, I was like, what does he mean by that?
And then I was like, yes. But yeah, you have
a very supportive wife who's putting your career in front
of her political ambitions at the moment. So it's wonderful
partnership. Thank you. Okay. Um, okay. So we have item
6. 1 town of Mammoth Lake Social Media Report for
July 2026. This is just a written report. Any questions
on that? No, that's correct. Okay. Item 6. 2 August,
2026 public works engineering CIP update. That's a written report
as well. Are there any questions? Are there any public
comments on these two items. No one online either? No.
Okay. Uh, so we are on to item eight staff
presentations 8. 1 informational presentation on mobile home park regulations
in California. Thank you. I am, uh, I'm not in
the broom. As you can see. I'm on vacation in
Alaska with Nolan. Um, and with Mr. Rudon, who's there
on your screen, uh, looking very professional wearing a tie.
I don't think I own a tie anymore. But surgiate
does. Um, and this is a really complicated issue as
we've previously indicated to the Council weather and how to
regulate mobile Home Park rents. It's very, very complex. And
so we thought that the best thing to do would
be to bring in, uh, Sergio, um, a partner at
my former firm who has extensive experience in crafting and
administering mobile home park rent control ordinances and is very,
very familiar with kind of how this works statewide, um,
has been part of some ordinances and, uh, and he
has helped us come to a better understanding of, of
the issues involved. And we're going to ask him to
present this item to the council. Yeah. Thank you for
the introduction, Andy. Um, yeah, Sergio Ruden, partner at Best
Best in Krieger. I also serve as a city attorney
to Sausalito and interim city attorney for South Lake Tahoe
right now. Um, you know, for reference, I primarily do,
uh, land use zoning and building regulations of special counsel
for various public entities, um, and I have, uh, advised,
uh, various public agencies on mobile home park. Rent control
issues, including advising, uh, boards of appeal for, um, mobile
Home Park, uh, rent regulations. Um, so I'm going to
share my screen, um, and hopefully we can get started
on the presentation here. Can you guys see that? Okay.
Not quite. It hasn't loaded yet. Okay. There we can
see it now. All right. Let's start this slide. So
we're here to talk about mobile Home Park Regulation and
rent control. The regulatory framework is multilayered. There's a lot
of state law on the subject. When it comes to
opening and operating a mobile home park, um, the state
mobile home parks act and HCDs implementing regulations. Uh, comprehensively
govern all construction issues related to mobile home parks, their
use, their maintenance, occupancy, permits, utilities, the layout of parks,
lot lines, inspections and health and safety enforcement. Importantly, local
agencies cannot do any of those things or regulate those
things unless HCD provides approval for the local agency to
become the local enforcement authority. Um, and so there is
state law. On how, uh, that happens, uh, but you
do have to petition and seek approval from HCD. When
it comes to regulating occupancy and the relationship between landlord
and tenant, um, the mobile home residency law sets a
lot of regulations for what must be in rental agreements.
Um, how a landlord is supposed to give notice of
rent increases. Fees that can be imposed by a landlord.
Process regarding sale of mobile home parks, um, protections for
tenancies and termination for, um, uh, tenants, uh, and additionally
a process by which a, uh, that a landlord must
follow to change any of the park rules. Um, and
additionally to convert park uses. So if you have a
park that's dedicated to seniors specifically, um, there's a process
by which the landlord must follow before they can change
that done all ages park. Um, so what's the city's
roll? Uh, the city still has its land use role.
So it can zone for where mobile Home Parks can
go. It does retain some police powers, but for the
most part, a lot of those R preempted by state
law. Um, the key one that the city does retain
is control over, uh, rents. Uh, so you can adopt
local rank control. There are certain prohibitions in state law
and carve outs, including, uh, you can't subject new parks
and new spaces to rent control. Um, and additionally you
have to abide by constitutional protections, um, for landowners in
terms of not having your rent control regulations. So burdensome
or so confiscatory that the property owner doesn't get a
fair rate of return. Um, so again, the sort of
rules and responsibilities, um, you know, HCD is responsible absent.
The city or the town and assuming enforcement authority and
getting their approval, uh, it's responsible for all of the
health and safety code provisions, uh, regulation of common area,
utilities, inspections, uh, permits for construction, registration of homes. And
it also has a complaint program, uh, with regards to
all of those issues. Uh, additionally, there is private rights
of enforcement, uh, by tenants. So, um, for violating any
of the state law standards. Importantly, uh, there is current
legislation at the state level. A B1128 would create a
statewide rent cap beginning in 2027 if it passes. Um,
additionally there is a, uh, exemption among various other exemptions
from local rent control. If a space is not used
as a principal residence, uh, AB 768 is currently in
process, which would narrow that exemption and create a presumption
that, uh, spaces used as a principle residence. So again,
uh, just this is an outline of. The kind of
roles that, uh, HTTP plays versus, versus the city. Importantly,
local code enforcement can't treat any state regulated park conditions
as ordinary municipal code violations. And those things do need
to be referred to HCD for enforcement. Um, unless the
city gets, uh, approval to become a local enforcement agency.
So, uh, why are we here discussing this? Uh, I'm,
I'm aware and Andy has end staff have made me
aware that the town council has received a number of
complaints, uh, regarding one of the mobile home parks in
town. Uh, owner of the park provided a response to
the council as well. Um, there are a lot of
concerns over rent increases, um, they're also concerns about, uh,
what's in rental agreements, uh, the concerns about, um, snow
removal condition of pavement, lighting trees retaining walls, fences and,
you know, maintenance issues. At present, uh, for a lot
of those issues. The town doesn't really have jurisdiction to
address them. Um. However, the town can't take action on
some of the, uh, rent issues. As will outline, uh,
in this presentation. Uh, so again, HCD is going to
be responsible for dealing with, uh, the kinds of complaints
that have been raised related to roads, common areas, snow,
tree retaining walls, um, with regards to concerns about lease
terms. Those can be raised to HCD. Additionally, landlord tenant
law and civil court is going to be the appropriate
place to resolve a lot of those issues, uh, there
are disputes between, uh, the tenant and the landowner. Annual
increases in terms of space rent, uh, can be subject
town rent control subject to complying with the exceptions and
state law. Um, the main exception is obviously new construction,
which isn't going to apply to the parks in Mammoth
Lakes. All right. So importantly, there is
pending state law, as I mentioned previously, um, AB 1128
would impose a statewide rent control cap, which would be
the lower of, uh, So this is more restrictive than,
uh, what's in place for cost of Hawkins. Um, this,
uh, legislation is based on an existing statute, which currently
applies only in mobile home parks that are in, uh,
two or more jurisdictions, uh, so basically the state decided
that, uh, for those parks, that statewide rent control would
control. Um, importantly, there was, uh, litigation over that statute,
uh, it remains pending. And so that may be a
consideration for the legislature. Um, but, uh, from all indications,
this is proceeding towards adoption. And, um, we'll have more
information as to whether or not it passes the Senate.
Anticipated in the next couple of weeks. Um, importantly, uh,
stricter local rent control limits would remain in effective if
this bill passes, uh, but I'm not aware of too
many jurisdictions that have, uh, more restrictive rent control than
this five percent plus CPI cap. Um. Again, as I
mentioned earlier, AB 768 would revise one of the exemptions
and create a rebuttable presumption favor of the tenants that
have spaces used as permanent housing. Importantly given the amount
of time that it does take, uh, to, um, draft
and adopt a local ordinance for rent control. There is
a high likelihood that 1128, if it passes, uh, would
pass before the town can prepare such an ordinance. So
that is something to consider. Additionally, um, the state is
working to provide more resources, um, nonprofit legal aid organizations
that are, um. In the business of representing mobile Home
Park Tenant interests in litigation against park owners. Um, this
pending bill would develop would require HCD to develop a
process to distribute funds, uh, to these nonprofit legal services
providers. And also it would require that the complaints that
HD receive be referred to them for enforcement action. So
without rank control, uh, what is, uh, what laws typically
apply to both landlords and tenants and parks. State mobile
home residency law regulates a substantial amount of the tenancy
issues by, um, requiring specific terms and rental agreements, um,
and which cannot be preempted by local ordnance. Um, these
include disclosure requirements, provisions regarding, uh, rent increases and the
timing of rent increases. So there are notice requirements which
tenants have to comply with. The mobile home residence you
law also creates the process by which park rules may
be amended. It does provide for, um, some fees, uh,
for HCD's complaint program, which are passed through tenants, two
tenants already, uh, it does contain restrictions regarding sales, rentals
and subleasing and provisions for that as well as restrictions
on park management terminating tendencies only for, uh, specific statutory
grounds. Um, and then again, it does create. HCD's protection
program for tenons, uh, which is primarily complaint driven and
complaint based. If the town does decide to go forward
with, uh, rent control, uh, one of the key issues
is that the any ordinance adopted by the town, uh,
does have to provide for a fair rate of return.
And typically. Any ordinance needs to consider the landlords operating
income and expenses, um, oftentimes they are based on, um,
allowing CPI increase over time, uh, to ensure that, uh,
a landlord's rate of return is preserved or at least
not depleted to the point where they can no longer
account for maintenance costs. Um, oftentimes ordinances are drafted considering
comparable space rents and adjacent jurisdictions or JSON parks. Additionally,
uh, any ordinance does need to provide for a mechanism
to ensure that a landlord can take, uh, take, uh,
undertake capital improvement, uh, for the park. And do rehabilitation
if necessary. So this is typically to ensure that utilities
remain, um, you know, functional, um, address the commonary maintenance
requirements, et cetera. Uh, and then of course, uh, any
fair rate of return has to allow for the landlord
to pay their taxes. Uh, utility costs, et cetera. And,
uh, oftentimes, uh, fair rate of return requirements do take
into account service reductions by the landlord, uh, in terms
of, um, allowing for adjustments. Downwards. The most common methodologies
in these ordinances, um, most of them are based on
a maintenance of net operating income, meaning that if a
landlord is getting a certain amount of operating income, uh,
they are allowed to maintain that level, taking into account.
Um, depreciation and things like, um, capital improvement requirements to
make sure that the same standard of, uh, park operations
is maintained. Uh, other ones are of course returning on
cash investment and return on value. So a lot of,
uh, ordinances are also, um. Drafted with an assumption that,
uh, based on a, um. Base rent date. So the
ordinance assumes that existing rent prior to rent control was
a fair rate of return because it was sent by
the landlord. And typically an ordinance will just allow that,
uh, pick a date prior to the passage of rent
control to be a base date. And then they will
allow, um, you know, limited increases based on CPI or
some sort of formula. Um, additionally, most of these ordinances
include a petition mechanism for the landlord to petition for
a different rent amount to be considered their base rent
if for some reason their rent on the base rent
date was undermarket and they can demonstrate that. One of
the things that has resulted significantly in litigation is that
you cannot typically adopt more Toriums that are indefinite. And
we have seen this, uh, result in litigation during COVID
over, um. More times adopted by public agencies. Um, because
over time, while a temporary moratorium will not be illegal
when adopted over time, it will eventually erode the opportunity
for the property owner to obtain a fair rate of
return that allows them to recoup their investments and pay
for all of their operating costs. Um, so mobile home
rent control ordinances are frequently the subject of challenge. They're
probably more subject to litigation than, um, uh, rent control
ordinances of other, of jurisdictions, uh, dealing with residential real
property. There's a lot of cases law dealing with, um,
uh, mobile home rent control ordinances. Um, typically public agencies
are successful in defending these. A lot of the facial
challenges are rejected. Um, because courts will recognize that public
agencies do have the authority to adopt. Rent control as
long as landlords are not entirely deprived of the economic
value of their property. But typically the as applied claims,
meaning a landlord is challenging whether or not, uh, an
ordinance provides them an adequate return in their particular circumstance,
uh, result in very lengthy, uh, court cases. Oftentimes going
to the court of appeal. Um, and they can be
very costly for public agencies, uh, cities have spent, um,
hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes almost sometimes in the
low millions, uh, one to two million defending. Uh, their
rent control ordinances. Um, Carson Valley, I think, uh, had
years of litigation over theres. Most agencies that have had
them will have some sort of, uh, court case involving
them at some point in time. Importantly, um, while most
of the legal challenges are brought by landlords, uh, to
over whether or not they're provided an adequate rate of
return for their investment, uh, increasingly we are seeing that,
uh, sometimes they are brought by tenants, uh, challenging city
decisions to allow for increases by landlords. Um, beyond making
decisions about how to structure, uh. The cities rent control
regulations and what methodology you want to include in terms
of ensuring you're providing a fair rate of return. And
what sort of adjustment mechanisms you want to have. Uh,
one of the big questions is, uh, whether you want
to have vacancy control or decontrol, uh, for residential reel
property, cost of Hawkins, uh, provides for vacancy D control,
which means that every time a space or, you know,
rental unit is vacant. The landlord gets to set the
rent for themselves, uh, allowing that typically decreases the likelihood
of legal challenges because of, uh, the landlord allowing, having
a mechanism to allow for, um, them to set what
they think is market, right? Um, but a number of,
um, ordinances for local jurisdictions do include vacancy control. Which
ensures that rent doesn't significantly increase when a mobile home
is sold or a tendency changes. It does allow for
greater continuity and predictability and home values. Um, this will
typically result in more, uh, difficulty for, uh, administration of
an ordinance, um, because you're more likely to have landler
petitions to deal with. But it does typically resolt in
more protections for tenants in terms of, uh, predictability for
home values and for resale of homes. Importantly, another big
question is, uh, who do you want to have be
responsible for hearing petitions for rent increases. Uh, and adjustments
to rental rates, um, cities have a couple different models.
You can have a board that considers these. You can
have a staff administered model where it's handled by a
hearing officer. In either case, they're both time consuming for
staff to administer. Um, certainly a staff administra model is
simpler. Um, it requires two republic hearings. It is typically
faster in terms of routine administration. Um. That being said,
there is some benefits to having a hearing model in
terms of, um, it's a dedicated forum. You know, you
will have more decision makers involved. Um, runner Park, Fresno,
Carson, Beaumont used boards and commissions for this purpose. Um,
but a number of the smaller cities as well as
Fremont, uh, use a dedicated staff officer. Again, uh, just
going back for, uh, to discuss sort of the cost
of administration and the litigation risk. Thousand O expend five
years in litigation, uh, spending three quarters of a, a
million dollars to defend its local rent control ordinance. Capitola
in 2011 voted to repeal. It's 32 year old rent
control ordinance. After, uh, spending 1. 5 million dollars in
litigation with one particular mobile home park. And at least
one third of the cost was publicly reported to have
been passed on to the residents via illegal defense fee.
After repeal of that mobile Home Park rent control, uh,
Capitol and did during COVID readopt mobile Home Park rent
control as an urgency mushroom. Additionally, uh, rent control is
being blamed by park operators as a primary reason for
park closure. Um, there is ongoing litigation, both pedaluma and
Windsor over the closure of parks, uh, in those jurisdictions,
uh, relocation obligations under the city's local ordinances, uh, for
those tenants. In terms of preparing an ornance, uh, the
number of steps, um, as well as, uh, steps in
terms of ministering, um. Typically the city has to make
a decision on the big picture policy questions, draft its
regulations. Additionally, uh, administering these kinds of regulations is not
cost free. So it is appropriate for the town to
consider, uh, adopting a fee that is imposed, uh, onto
landlords typically who then may or may not depending on
your particular ordinance and pose that on the tenants. Um,
typically you need to, um, gather information about your existing
tenants, um, base rent data, conduct outreach or landlords prior
to implementation. Um, additionally, you will need to, once the
regulations are adopted, most jurisdictions have registration requirements, compliance review,
uh, that is done annually record keeping and then a
provision for annual adjustment of, of rents. Um, in the
instances where the cities or Town's ordinance is not providing
for. The rate of return, there will be a requirement
that the ordinance includes some sort of fair rate of
return adjustment mechanism usually done by petition of the, um,
landlord. And so there needs to be a mechanism to
hear those. Um, and obviously that is going to result
in annual reviews, um, usually you'll have at least, if
you have a number of mobile home parks in your
jurisdiction, you will usually have at least one or so
of those kinds of petitions to the side per year.
Um, and then additionally you may need to consider hiring
either consultants or hearing officers, uh, to, uh, address those
particular, um, kinds of petitions. Uh, Program fees, um.
Most local ordinances have either a per space fee or
administration fee that it's used to fund the staff time.
Uh, keep track of registration, um, pay for noticing hearing
officers. Mediation arbitration is sometimes included in local programs. Um,
the females usually set by resolution. Almost always the amounts
or not sufficient to recover, um, all of the legal
costs that can come along, uh, with these kinds of
regulations. Importantly, they're usually not set with the expectation of
litigation, even though litigation is a significant risk. Um, so.
With the fair rate of return requirements, most of the
time any program fees that are imposed on a landlord
are calculated as part of the landlords operating cost and
can be a basis for the landlord to petition for
increases. Um, oftentimes, uh, if the local ordinance doesn't prohibit
the pass through of these fees, landlords will pass people
with east to the tenants. So if the council wants
to move forward, there are a number of questions for
the council's consideration. Uh, including what exactly the council wants
to address in its ordinance. Which formula, uh, it wants
to use for rent control, including, um, whether or not
it wants to undertake, uh, vacancy control or allow for
vacancy decontrol. The town does need a plan for the
eventual administration of an ordinance, including deciding whether or not
it's going to be administered by a dedicated board or
hearing officer. And then additionally, um, a lot of local
regulations include provisions governing park closure. Uh, and relocation requirements
for tenants, uh, in case of park closure, uh, again,
based on the experience of pet alum and Windsor, those
may not be something the town wants to undertake at
this point. Um, but it is something to consider. Uh,
and then again, in terms of, uh, cost of administering
the program, uh, there will need to be an evaluation.
The program cost. And additionally, the town will need to
think about how much of a program it is willing
to subsidize. And then lastly given the pending state legislation,
that is another, uh, consideration for the town in terms
of whether or not to move forward or see whether
or not the, uh, state with its additional resources. We'll
be moving forward to, uh, enacts daywide rent control for,
um, mobile home parks. And that is my presentation. And
I am happy to take any questions. Okay. Thank you
so much. John, do you have some questions? Uh, yeah.
Help us understand why this is so complicated. Is there
a legislative history in California that's added up to something
that just seems, uh, it seems kind of impossible out
of the box. I'm not trying to be glib about
this, but can you give any background on why this,
why regulating these things is apparently seemingly so complicated involved
state agencies. All the rest of it, just any thought
you might have on that. I'd just like to say
that it's, it's complicated because of the legal rights involved.
When it's complicated because of a long, long history of
litigation involving these issues, um, the law has changed over
the years. The courts keep, uh, keep having to hear
challenges brought largely by landlords. And so what you get
is you have a complicated set of rights. You have
complicated laws, um, and you have an atmosphere that breeds
litigation. And you put all that together and you get,
you get what we have. We're drafting ordinances on some,
in some areas of law ordinances are, are pretty much
cookie cutter. This is one area of law where they
are not. There is no one true path. There's no
one right way to do it. And every jurisdiction just
does the best they can and makes choices they think
will serve their community. But Sergio Open expand on that.
Andy thinks of that. I agree with everything you've said.
I think the, the main reason it is so complicated
is that the fair rate of return standard for local
run control is so incredibly squishy. When you're asking a
court to figure out what is fair for a landlord.
It is always an adjudication of very fact specific issues
regarding the operations of a specific mobile home park. What
may be fair for one park is not always there
for another park. And because it is park specific tenant
specific, uh, landlord specific, um, it is very hard to
predict as you are drafting these kinds of regulations where
the weaknesses may be in them. Okay. That's great. I
think it, I think we get the general idea. Um,
if the town were to wait into this, um, would
the regulations apply to all parks within our jurisdiction. The
second question being how many parks do we have in
Mammoth Lakes. You have two parks, at least according to
staff. And yes, you would, if you adopt mobile Home
Park rank control, you would, it would be my recommendation
that you have it applied to all parks in your
jurisdiction. And what are the two parks. Um, that is
the ski trails. And the name of the other one
escapes me. Okay. So not by Azimuth. But not the,
you know, the mobile V part? The RV park. That's
not, that's not, I mean, that's a, I would think
it's a federal thing. That doesn't apply to this. That
is outside of the Towns jurisdiction is my understanding. Okay.
All right. Those are my questions for the moment. Thank
you. Okay. Brent, do you have some questions? A couple
of questions if I could, please. Um, just to clarify,
one of your statements that says that health and safety
issues are responsibility of HTD within the trailer park. So
I just want to make sure I'm clear on this.
So waste disposal issues, bears, crime rates unsafe buildings. That's
HCD and that town has no jurisdiction. That is correct.
Unless the town petitions to become a local enforcement agency
that typically all of the issues regarding, um, uh, construction
standards, health and safety code provisions. And utilities, all of
the things that deal with the built environment are almost
all entirely subject to regulation by HCD. And there are
very few jurisdictions that have petitioned to become a local
enforcement agency for mobile home parks. I don't know the
exact number, but it's a small, small minority of the
jurisdictions that had parks. The vast majority of the jurisdictions
with parks, uh, have relied on HCE to continue to
do the enforcement. Just one clarifying point. Can you two
explain to the audience and us what HCD is. This
is the department of housing and community development. So this
is the same agency that is responsible for housing element
law. Enforcement of ADU laws, um, and generally the state's
housing agency. And where they headquartered. I would assume Sacramento.
Okay. And they don't have, they have a branch office
in our region or, or we would be dealing with
sex. We and everybody in the community will be dealing
with sacramento, correct? I believe that would be the case.
I do not know about whether they have branch offices.
Okay. Thank you. A couple more questions. Um, and it
follows up to the previous question a little bit. So
we have residents who are raising concerns regarding challenges, maintenance
issues, rent issues. What can we do right now through
HCD to address any of these conditions without waiting for
an ordinance or other action. Do we have any do
we have any capabilities that a community, the town can
serve as a liaison, it can petition HCD to take
action on, you know, existing issues, uh, I do believe
that having a local agencies reach out to HCD has
increased enforcement efforts in the past. That require any particular
action. Other than us taking action or is there a
petition for that? What's the, what's the process for that
to happen? Um, so HCD does have a complaint service,
um, and certainly staff can encourage, uh, tenants to file
complaints. I think that's important. But staff can also follow
up on behalf of tenants to see whether HCD is
taking action. So you've put a number of different points
out there. And I'm just trying to understand because the
financial component per se. But let's just say we, the
town adopted a rent stabilization. In your opinion, what does
that do to the actual rents? Cause I'm concerned about
cost being, okay, now we do it and then we
charge an extra 10 percent fee that goes on this.
And landlord charges another feat. Does it actually reduce the
rates. Um. So. Local rent control does
slow down. Rent increases. Um, it is very rare that
local rent control results in rent rollbacks. Okay. And then
the other one I have is, so let's just say
we asked after to look at this and start to
look at implementing something. What's the length of time would
it take to get an ordinance in place? You've got,
we've got state measures that are potentially going to impact
this. Could be some overlap. But what's the realistic timeframe
to put something to place if we went down that
road. Uh, realistically, I would probably say three to five
months. Yeah. I concur with that. And the reason that
it takes that long is because as I said, the
ordinances are not cookie covered. There are, are there are
no two that are alike. And I've looked at a
couple dozen of them. They're all different. And they're all
the result of a bunch of small discrete separate policy
choices. Um, as Sergio said, you have to decide how
to calculate a fair rate of return. You have to
decide, uh, who's going to administer the ordinance. You just
have to make a bunch of choices. And I think
that in order to do this properly, um, weed staff
probably with Sergio's help would need to bring to the
council, um, a bunch of options. And I don't think
it would be as simple as here's the staff recommendation
because the issues are complex. They need some time, um,
to unpack. And I think that it would require probably
multiple council means. I'm not sure that the council would,
um, would be able to do the subject justice and
reach a decision the first time considering it. Um, a
lot of jurisdictions that enact these ordinances will want to
do some outreach to the park owners. Um, and have
them be part of the process of their voices are
heard because that can be a way of reducing the
likelihood of litigation. Um, some jurisdictions have sought to involve
park residents and crafting the ordinances. Um, which also adds
time. So I, I really don't think it could be
done in less than three months. Um, I, I think
five months could be done with a lot of focus
and discipline and focused attention on, um, on the subject.
You have any other questions? No. Okay. I have a
few questions. Sergio, I'm hoping that you can clarify. You
said something about, um, that there, I just didn't quite
understand you said something about like the exemption for two
parks and different cities or it only applies to two
parks in different cities. Yeah. So the, the statewide legislation,
uh, which is being proposed is based on, uh, a
statue, which currently imposes that five percent plus inflation cap
in mobile home parks that are in more than one
jurisdiction. So that's statue already exists. And the proposed bill
would expand the reach of it to all parks throughout
the state. So, okay. Thank you. So that is an
effect. And the, was it the AB 1128? That is
going to expand it to all in one to eight
would take state rent control for mobile home parks, which
only applies to a handful of parks and apply it
everywhere. Okay. Thank you. Um, and then let's see how,
Nolan, I think this is a question for you. How
comparable are the rents at the two mobile home parks
in town. On the town does not have detailed information
on what the actual rents are charged based on what
I've heard. They're fairly comparable though. We're comparable to each
other. Okay. They are about the same. Okay. Um, and
then, um. How is the land zoned? Can it only
be used for a mobile home park. Correct. So within
the town Zoning Ordonites, there's a mobile Home Park zoning
designation that designation that only applies to the two existing
parks. Outline standards if we were to, what process and
steps we'd have to take to create any new parcel
zone mobile HomePark with size and specific details on that.
But then it also regulates the uses that it can
only, only allows for mobile home parks or mobile home
street placed within the park does not allow nightly rentals
within the two mobile Home Parks, um, that's kind of
the extent of what that zoning does. Okay. And then
this is a silly. I don't want to interrupt, but
I, I'm just getting into the question there that, um,
you might be wondering, well, something else happened on these
sites. Um, and Sergio can address this in more detail,
but I will tell you, I do have some experience
with the idea of wanting to close a park. And
it's, it's somewhat complicated. It's very expensive and it's time
consuming. Um, because the mobile Home Park law, um, provides
a number of rights to tenants, which are fantastic. But
they make it very financially difficult for park owners to
close a park because they have to provide, uh, extensive
relocation benefits to the tenants. Sergio, have you ever had
a jurisdiction actually have a part close. I have only
dealt with trying to have a public agency acquirer a
park. So, um, I have, I have not actually had
to deal with park closure myself. Yeah. And I, I've
only, um, addressed it in a jurisdiction that was thinking
about talking to the property owner about doing that. I
have never actually seen a part close study of the
truth. Okay. So what's happened, but it's very rare. That
was kind of my line of questioning is if the,
if they were, you know, if they would be able
to drive up the rent so much and then close
the park and have it zoned for something else, or,
but that sounds like that's not a possibility. It's possible,
but it would not be easy, nor would it be
cheap or quick. Okay. Let's see. Um, and then the
AB 1128, you said that there's not really a timeline
for that. Um, no, there is a timeline in order
for it to pass this legislative session. I believe it
has to, uh, let me pull up the stabiliser calendar.
Um, I think it needs to be signed by the
governor in September. And it needs to, I believe exit
the. I think it needs to be passed out of
the houses at the end of October. Uh, yeah, September
30th is the last day for the governor to sign
or veto bills. October, August 31 is the last day
for each house to pass bills. Uh, and then they
go into final recess. So we'll probably know by the
end of this month whether or not it's heading to
the governor's desk. Okay. Okay. Are there questions? One of
the quick questions. Um, do the other HOA or their
homeowner associations associated with parks. Is that possible and do
the two parks of Mammoth have HOAs. Uh, typically parks
will not have associations, although certainly tenant group tenant groups
can band together and form an unincorporated association to represent
their own interests with regards to the landlord. Often in,
you know, condo developments are similar under Davis Turling. A
homeowners association is responsible for managing of the park. And
it, you know, it collects assessments, et cetera. Park management
usually contracted by the landowner is responsible for that. So
the HOA in the sense that you may be thinking
of it. But there could be a tenant some sort
of organized tennis association for the parks to represent their
increasingly for some of these mobile home parks. These kinds
of, uh, tenant associations banning together. Sometimes we'll buy out
the park from the park homer. Okay. That's it. Thank
you. Okay. Just another question. Yes. Sergio, just one more
question. You brought up an interesting thumb head. But when
he said you were involved with the public agency potentially
acquiring a park, is that a difficult thing? You kind
of, I kind of got through your voice that's not
necessarily easy to think. Yes. The short answer is yes.
It is difficult. Okay. That's it. Okay. Um, and then
I guess I had one kind of question. I don't
know if you'll answer to this, but, uh, it's a
mobile home park. How mobile are the homes? Not mobile.
I don't know. They're not. No, they're not. Okay. And
that's, and that's the main reason. And that's why there
are so many state law protections and comprehensive state regulation
over what landlords can and can't do is because as
a practical matter, it's very hard to move any of
these homes. It's essentially a homeless thing. It gets to
be over 20 or so years old, which a lot
of coaches are. I don't know the ages of the
units in either of our parks, but you essentially can't
move an older coach. Without it falling apart. Just can't
be done. Okay. Um, so we've done questions. Let's do
public comment and then, uh, we will do deliberations. So
if you have a public comment, you can come up
to the podium and you have five minutes to tell
us how you feel about this issue. Hi Jennifer Krites.
Monokini board a supervisors. And I also want to just
not take away the thunder from anybody else. But I
do want to recap on some of the legislation. So
AB 1128. Is actually been through a gut and amend.
And it's in the Senate right now. And it was
amended to only be a rent camp cap for the
city of Torrance. So it will not be a statewide
rent cap on mobile home parks. Um, this year, um,
because once it's been amended, um, in the other house,
it can't go back and be amended again in the
assembly because now it's in the Senate. AB 768 is
dead. Um, it's, um, it's not going to get hurt
again. So those things are off the table. I think
it's important for us to know that as a community,
when we think about next steps, I mean, many of
these big cities too have lots of mobile home parks.
We're kind of lucky we only have two in the
sense that that's easier to work with the tenants and
the landlords, um, and I think being in this, um,
this situation where the land is zoned only for mobile
home parks is also favorable. In my opinion in the
county, most of ours is zone commercial. So therefore it
could, you know, it would be controversial, but it could
potentially become something other than a mobile home park. Um,
I personally think that the housing fund is a great
place to fund the administration of a policy like this.
And that, um, a lot of these bills that we've
seen throughout decades, I would say as long as I've
been working in affordable housing, um, have been brought to
the state, but the lobbyist on the park owner's side
are just so strong that they just never pass. And
it seems ashamed to keep waiting for that for our
residents. It is an organically affordable housing source here in
our town. And I think folks deserve some stability. And
that's really all this policy would do. It wouldn't reverse
rents, but it would make them stable. And I can
appreciate the desire for that. So that's all I wanted
to share. Thank you so much for your time. Thank
you, Jen for. My name is Jennifer Barrett. I actually
am the other park representation for Sierra Holiday. I actually
managed the community with the support of some team members.
And we've owned the park for three years. And I
do consider us to be very good park owners. We're
very involved with the community. We have homeowner meetings with
them to understand what the needs of the community are.
In that community, we have 83 sites, only 78 of
them are occupied because we hold the others back for
the snow removal every year. And we don't plan on
bringing homes into those sites. Um, I think some of
the concerns that I have is, I think that we
all share the same goal. I share the same goal
as the community does, which is really having stable housing
for our homeowners. And I feel like we really do
do a good job at that. We have, um, MRL
is in place to protect the residents and to protect
park owners like ourselves. We also have, and what is
MRL? The mobile home residency law. Okay. And when we
talked about HCD, the HCD program that was mentioned by
the gentleman, I love that program. If a resident has
a concern about the way we maintain or don't maintain
a community, they can call and file a complaint. Either
there are no satellite offices, by the way, it's either
Sacramento or Riverside County. And they will come out to
the community. We've had HCD out to our community twice
since we've purchased the property because we've invited them. Or
we've had something done that requires permits that they come
out and do that. Specifically for Sierra Holiday, one of
my concerns is the percentage of residents and that community
who own the homes that do not live there. They
either rent it out for profit. So they have their
sub - leasing the home. They have a rental agreement
with us, but they're sub - leasing the home to
an outsider. Or they're using it strictly as a vacation
rental. And I do think that if this is something
that we look into, I don't believe second homeowners should
be entitled to that. Or people subleasing their home. Right
now, we can only confirm, because it's only three years,
it takes a while to meet all of the residents.
Um, So I think that's an important thing to look
at when we're doing that. The other thing that I
would like people to look at is the pricing of
the homes in the community. Mobile homes are mobile homes.
And right now the couple of mobile homes listed in
the two mobile home parks. Two bedroom cheap bath is
listed at 175, 000. It's listed at 175, 000 due
to its location. That seemed mobile home in other cities.
If you pull a nada value, which is a Kelly
blue book value on a mobile home would most likely
be listed at 50, 000 because it's, it's a mobile
home. So we, if this is something that we plan
to adopt, we would want to look at the fair
return for the land owners themselves, selling a mobile home
that's worth 50, 000 for 200, 250, 000 is something
we should all be looking at. Um, the other thing,
I do understand hardships. By the way, I've been in
the mobile home industry only in California for 19 years.
And one of my biggest things is engagement with homeowners.
And getting to know the communities, which is why we
have homeowner meetings. We do offer a low income assistance
program. So if any homeowner came to us with an
increase that they received, we have a program that they
can apply without rent increase would not go into place.
We would freeze that wrench increase because we do understand
hardships and everything that the homeowners go through. Um, I
just feel very passionate that we are good park owners.
We do what's right. I have some stats that are
total operating expenses for last year was 985, 000 dollars
We did road work. We brought in a brand new
house. We did our tree trimming snow removal, thankfully was
not as bad as it was in 2023 when we
first took over. I'll be the first one to say
we were not prepared for that because we're in Sacramento.
Yeah, we sure did. We plan for that now, but
we are genuinely invested in making the Sierra Holiday a
good mobile home park. So I just wanted to share
that with you. Okay, just a quick question. I think
you can ask, I don't think you can ask questions
for public comments, but maybe afterwards we could. So like
that's... I would like to meet with the city council
of being. I would love to get your information. So
I think we would love to hear from you more.
But thank you so very much. Thanks for your questions.
Okay, any other public comments. Hi, my name's Harry. I'm
an owner and resident at Ski Trail, and I very
much appreciate the other park owners speaking today, and it
really exemplifies the contrast, this stark contrast between the two
parks that we have in our town. I would very
much like the owners of Ski Trail to be involved
to be caring to be able to freeze Ren if
we express hardship. It is extremely different, and I'm very
grateful for you to speak. Thank you very much, and
thank you for doing what you're doing for your community.
However, none of that, unfortunately, applies to ski trail. So
I just wanted to bring that to attention unless the
owners of ski trail are here to speak. Here, we'll
do that thing for. No, I mean, the park owners
themselves. I don't believe are here to represent the park
operator. The park operator, yes. And we have many residents
at ski trail here, and that is what brought all
of this to the attention of the town is specifically
the park of ski trails. So again, thank you for
coming and sharing that, and I just want to make
sure that everyone is aware it is a very, very
different situation. I would like to just ask one question
to the lawyers, if that's okay. Um, I think what
we should do is if there are questions we can
take down the notes, and then at the end, our
staff could respond or respond. This question refers to the
Ski Trail is trying to get all of the owners
and residents to sign new leases. And inside that lease,
it states that any rent control ordinances will not apply.
Um, they're claiming that they're going digital. This is their
argument. However, they're telling us we have to come in
person and sign physical paper to go digital. So I
just want to bring that to everyone's attention and ask
if the legal grounds, because I know some people have
unknowingly signed that lease. And if there's any legal standing
in that should have read control ordinance pass. Okay. Thank
you so much. Any other public comments from anyone in
the room? Come on to the podium. Hi, my name's.
My name's Will. I've lived in ski trails for almost
seven years. Um, back, my comment is about the fair
return. For the owner. Uh, the owners of ski trails
have owned that park since the 70s. Uh, I don't
know how long, I don't know if they give out
50 - plus - year mortgages, but that park and
that land has long been since paid off. I heard
a rumor that their annual tax bill is 14, 000
dollars. I don't have my phone on me, but I
did the math at 1, 500 dollars a month. You're
close to 1. 2 million dollars a year. Even if
our only amenities are snow removal and trash. So if
trash was 1, 000 dollars a day, which it's not,
you would still be left with close to 900, 000
dollars of pure profit minus your 14, 000 tax. You're
at 886, 000 dollars. I doubt they're paying the snow
plow guy. We have the worst snow removal ever, and
they constantly refer to that as a big expense. I
don't think the snow plow guy is receiving 10, 000
dollars every day that he comes in. Does it even
if he did, like he still doesn't come 20, we
don't have 20 storm days with him doing that. So
we talk about a fair return. How much, how many
hundreds of thousands of dollars is fair for the owners
of this park to receive? And then back to their
response. With the owners'response to the accusations or whatever.
They say that tree works, no removal and maintenance are
ongoing citing contractors, inspections, and, uh, HCD inspections. I've never
seen anything repaired in our park the last seven years
I've been there. Uh, there's no mention in here of
the poor management that we receive from blizzard property management.
Uh, I cannot stress how arrogant the owners of this
park are. And that's why I like that the operators
of the other park were here that shows that they
actually care. I'm very surprised you've even got an answer
from the owners to respond to this, but I'm begging
this council to do something because the owners of our
park are on par by seven percent every year to
displace over 60 families out of their homes as their
final legacy. The owners of our park are in their
80s and late 70s. They're some of the most arrogant
people you will ever meet. I'm sure at some point
somebody that this town council has dealt with them, but
like I said, they are on par to kick out
60 plus people from their helms every year making our
homes worth less and less money. Like every rat increase.
My home probably went down over 200 dollars in value
just in the afternoon being in this room. And I
beg you guys, please take this seriously. I see that
you guys have taken it seriously, but I'm begging you
to use all the power that this town council has
to help our residents here. One of our residents drives
the bus, the other resident, uh, runs the taxi company
in this town. Hari is a nurse full - time
at our hospital. Like one other resident is the head
of Parks and Rec. These are not people on vacation.
We are all hardworking people and we are being taken
advantage of every single day by the owners of this
park and by blizzard property management. And I just thank
you for hearing us out. And I hope that you
guys can do everything you can to help us. Thank
you. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Any other
public comments from anyone in the room? Come on down.
Hello. My name is Sophia Flores. I've been a local
residence since 1997 and I am also resident at the
mobile home park. And I grew up in the Sarah
mobile Home Park here in town. So I am very
familiar with both of them now. Um, and I just
want to say that the residents were not naive of
what it takes to have property value. We're not. And
we're not asking to take away from profit. What we're
asking is just for stability and housing. So we are,
we want to work with the particle nerves. We want
to make sure that this is something that doesn't hurt
the residents or, you know, like it doesn't, um, have
those kind of negative effects, but we do realize that
the rent increases are just too much for the working
families. And that is what the mobile home parks are.
We have maybe a few second homeowners. Um, I didn't
realize it was that high with this here at mobile
home park, but in ours, we know our neighbors. Um,
and so, and they're all part of the workforce community
here. And when we're talking about money, this town will
lose more money losing those residents who can't afford to
live here anymore. And you're talking about the places in
town that are supposed to be the most economical places
to live. The cheapest places that you can buy. And
yet families are being pushed out. And so that's where
our concern is. And so we don't, like I said,
we don't want to take away profit. We just want
to make it fair housing. Because we own property too.
And that's why we are such a sensitive protected class.
Because we own our homes, but we don't own the
land. And so that's why this is such a complex
case. And so thank you for adding this and the
agenda. And again, I just push that we continue to
have these conversations as a community because it's, it's complex,
but it's, I think we're valuable people of our community
and we are worth the time and the energy and
the money that this will have. Thank you. Thank you
so much. Any other public comments from anyone in the
room. Do you guys want to like start a line
behind anybody else want to talk to one comment to
add to all of that. Um, I think it's very
important that the town supports, um, our citizens here and
trying to find, um, longer term solution as it relates
to rent control. But I like to pick out the
low hanging fruit here and just point out we have
a dispensable space issue. Residents of the park have complained
to me about how they're not allowed to trim the
trees and that, um, that the park owners not doing
anything. So there are places are in danger. And the
greater community of Mammoth Lakes is in danger if we
have an issue like that. So I would just like
to encourage the council to direct staff to work with
HCD to work on those issues because I think the
power with the town complaining to HCD besides just individual
residents. That's all I have. Thank you. Any other public
comments from anyone in the room. No. Anyone online? No.
Okay. Um, so staff, would you be able to or
Sergio would you be able to answer the question about,
um, is it legal or would it be held up
in court. Uh, with a mobile home owner signing a
paper that said that future mobile home, uh, caps, rent
caps would not apply to them. Um, so I'll address
two comments that were made. One. I did pull up
the legislation for 11, 80, 11, 28. And it does
appear that that was, uh, gutted and substantially revised within
the last few days since the agenda was published. So
surprise. Um, with regards to the, um, rent control issue,
um, historically, uh. State, uh, state, uh, law had a
provision that long - term leases of more than 12
months were exempt from local rent ordinances. Uh, however, AB
2782 basically capped, uh, narrowed that exemption and any lease
of any length signed after 2020 is no longer exempt
from local rent control. Uh, so to the extent that
local leases have provisions saying that they waive local rent
control regulations. Those portions of the leases are likely void.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. Okay.
Well, would you like to tell me your thoughts, Brent?
Well, I'll start with this way. And it was going
to be, I was curious when Jennifer was up here
with the other trailer park, what their rates have increased
have been over the several years just in comparison to
know overall, because we seem to have a very focused
audience here. I'm not that trailer park, but the other
one, that standpoint. My portion is, is that I think
there's an opportunity for us here to engage HTT from
staff, try to help see if we can help exploit
some of the complaints that have been there. And I
think we should be taking a look at what this
really takes to implement an ordinance and make sure that
we've evaluated the cost and make sure that it makes
sense in that direction. But for me, I'm favoring, we
asked the staff to come back with what's us take
to put in order to place and not just a
presentation today, but what's the real nuts and bolts to
make this happen. Okay. John. Um. This is a very
interesting situation. Um, and this is, I think the true
value of living in a small town. Living in a
small community, uh, we have powerful levers to use to
try to address something like this. Um, I have questions
for staff that I don't want to get into here.
Um, I very much thank the woman from the park
who came forward. And advised we have a civil situation
in our park. We're conscientious and we care about people
that live there. It's an interesting idiosyncrasies around second homeowners
and lightly rentals. We spent a lot of time going
through that in years past. And I'm sensing that their
opportunities there, uh, I would hesitate at this point to
start bringing in sort of a government mandate to try
to address this problem. Because we seems like we have
an example of something that seems to be working pretty
well. And we have an example with perhaps some individuals.
I don't know these people. I'm not casting any Expersions
up here at the dais. Perhaps there's some cultural problems
going on over there. Um, and I think it's worth
exploring that, um, and exploring like the levers we would
have with HCD as a town to look at what's
kind of going on over there and to see if
we could maybe try to get some of those things
into compliance, uh, before getting into, um, I mean, this,
this whole environment. Litigation, all the rest of it. I
don't know if that's going to make anybody happy. Uh,
so I would, I would want to explore other local,
uh, options before getting into something like that. But that's
my thought. But again, I've got some questions for staff
and questions for residents, people living in these places. I
like to do some fact finding here to see what's
kind of what's going on. Okay. Thank you. Um, I
agree that I think that we need to petition HCD
to make sure that the complaints that have been hopefully
filed, if not filed, like I think that, um, you
know, we need to, there are a few things at
play where it seems like there are issues with the
living standards. But then there is a separate issue of
affordability. And so, um, I would be in favor of
modeling in ordinance on AB 1128, you know, capping the
rent at five percent plus CPI, whatever's lower. So I
mean, I think that we need to take steps. I
think that it's going to get less affordable. So I
don't know if Jennifer, she's still in the room. I
mean, I would love for our staff to talk with
her and see, you know, just kind of see. What
is reasonable from her standpoint and, you know, and then
also have staff talk with, um, the mobile home. Uh,
owners here tonight, you know, to see what's reasonable from
their point of view. Cause I do think, I mean,
that's 60 community members that, you know, work in our
hospitals, you know, their kids go to our schools. Like
we have to keep their housing affordable. And, you know,
it's much, much more affordable to draft an ordinance and
cap rent than it is to find housing for 60
family lates. And I would agree with completely what you're
saying. I'm just looking at what is going to be
the most effective and efficient solution. And I, and I,
I, I would hesitate, I mean, it's fine to explore
an ordinance. We can start looking at those kinds of
things, but I think it's going to be in the
community's interests if we as a community can deal with
these issues on a human community - based level. I
think once you start bringing in ordinances, you know, things
like that. Trust is going to go out the window
right away, which maybe that's okay. But I'm not based
on the litigious history of this, the very complex nature
of it. It's described by both attorneys. It gives me
some pause to think that that is necessarily going to
be the solution we're looking for. But there is, I
mean, like other renters in town are protected by, you
know, what is it like CPI up to 10 percent
annual increases in your rent and mobile homes are excluded
from that. And so I think that it's very reasonable
to, you know, we only have two mobile home parks.
Like I think that we could figure out something that
would be reasonable for the park operators and the mobile
home owners. And, you know, make sure that we keep
that affordable housing for our community numbers. No, I absolutely
agree with, with the goal that you're articulating. Absolutely great
with that. I'm just trying to think about what is
going to be the most effective, efficient way to get
there. It's government is not efficient. Well, that's what I'm
saying. It's like, I would like to keep Sacramento out
of this if we can. If we can find a
way to do, cause again, we're so remote. We're so
far away. I mean, you know, the question about comps,
like what's reasonable return, all the getting into all that
kind of nonsense. If we can find some way to,
uh, be investing in our culture, investing in our small
committee to achieve the goals you're talking about. I would
lean that way for now. But I have no, no
issue with exploring ordinances or doing it. And because we're
government organization, I guess we can't suggest to Jennifer that
maybe they should acquire another trailer park within the community.
And well, yeah, I mean, maybe they exactly. I mean,
things like that, solutions like that, uh, but I'm interested
in exploring all solutions at this point. But again, I,
I mean, this litigation legislative nightmare is something that I,
it just gives me pause. Um, what do you need
from us tonight. I'm sorry. I was just texting Andy
question. Um, he's in Alaska. Is that? Yeah. He looked
like he was laying in bed. I am not going
to say they are all recovering from a cold. So
I, so I understand. Yeah. So we've been talking a
little bit here about, you know, options. I think John,
the directions you're going are having conversations locally with folks
that either owners management or anything else from a town's
perspective. You know, we've, we've all heard and received, you
know, notes, letters and, you know, public comment coming in
from the operator. The one thing I ask, Nolan, is
the opportunity to sit down with them face to face
and have a conversation about what they're creating here and
the hands that they're forcing into a space where all
the things that you're describing, which none of us want
to partake in are only option. And so, um, I
think that would be step one. Uh, I know Nolan
has been sharing information about HCD hotlines both English and
Spanish with folks that have been interested in understanding that
process. Um, interesting to hear that the town itself can
have an influence on that if we're going on behalf
of someone, uh, that's never been something that, you know,
been communicated to me at least. And we're not, uh,
we're not doing that right now. Like we're not reaching
out to HED. We don't have a lot of civil,
a lot of, uh, community members believe that the town
gets involved in everything that goes on civilly. And we
just don't, right? We don't have any jurisdiction. But if
there's, if there's effort that would produce results based on
our involvement, I have no problem doing that. Right. So
we'll do a little exploration on that as well to
understand that. So tonight, you know, I think we wanted
to give the opportunity for, um, our, uh, our attorneys
here to share the information that we had. I think,
you know, what I've heard is there's some desire to
kind of move forward with something quickly. Um, there's a
desire for us to maybe do some legwork internally here.
Well, I'll disqualify that. I think doing things quickly is,
is kind of imperative. But I think if I think
what you're saying, Rob, is you've heard that the town
could actually be speaking on behalf of people. And we
haven't done that yet. I think if the easy short
term wins or things to explore, I think we should
start doing that right away. Yeah. And I think we
can, we can do that in obvious communicate with council
on the outcome of that efforts, not at a council
meeting, but, you know, real time as it occurs to
give folks an understanding of that. Um, I very clear
that there's an interest in getting something accomplished as quickly
as possible. So on the lens or anything else you
have for tonight. No, I think we can, we can,
um, definitely take out on those efforts, engage with, I
think both Park owners, their management, residents, um, summarize those
efforts. And then, um, work with Andy to potentially agendize
a future policy or discussion item because we would have
to have that, um, receive any formal direction than from
Town Council to move to move forward on something. So
I think us reaching out summarizing that effort summarizing what
we've learned from those efforts and then bringing it back
to a future meeting is really there. I think it
would be helpful if the way to include council members
in these meetings of these discussions as appropriate. You know,
one of the three or four versus something to be
to hear these conversations. It's not a. Which means are
you talking about? Well, if they're having meetings with the
park owners meeting with residents and things like that so
we can, it'd be more efficient so we can hear
what folks are saying instead of just being brought in
when it comes back to care. Exactly. Instead of just
getting a report, Hey, this is what we heard kind
of a thing. I mean, we can do that on
our own, I guess. But I think it would make
sense to figure out a way to do that. So
we're listening as part of that conversation. Next reaction on
that. Cause sometimes when you council member staff, people, you're
trying to get on feedback could make people. I think
these people. I think the residents of Mammoth Lakes are
proud, strong people. And I would hope that, I mean,
if it's an issue, fine, but tell us. Like that's
what we're here for. Yeah. Maybe you have, but I've
already engaged in with a number of people. So I'm
here tonight. Um, I'm already been having one on one
because I want to make sure this has come as
a pretty significant issue. And it's affecting the character part
of our community. And I think we have to address
it sooner and later. So I've been pretty invested in
having those conversations already. Okay. Well, I have not been,
but I'm available if you want me to sit in
and be part of these conversations. And then I guess
John, I just wanted to, you know, crunch on numbers
too. As you know, like, I mean, the Sergio shared
how much different cities have paid, uh, on litigation costs,
you know, with the most expensive one being one and
a half million dollars. I mean, that sounds like a
lot, but you know, with our bridge program, finding housing
for 60 families would be like nine to 12 million
dollars that we would spend subsidizing, purchasing units. So, you
know, I think that any money that we would put
into this would be well spent keeping that housing affordable
for argument. What kind of money are you talking about.
I'm just saying like one and a half million dollars
on litigation sounds like a lot. But if you're comparing,
I've been on this council long enough to remember litigation
issues with the town. It's probably not something we want
to say that that's, that's a price we can be
willing to pay. Well, but if we're modeling it on
other ordinances that have, I'm not convinced, I mean, I'm
hearing the stressors that are coming in the ski trail
community. I'm hearing that. Uh, but I'm not convinced yet
that we don't have to pull out the ultimate legislative,
you know, legal hammer that that's going to actually get
us to the solutions that we want. I'm not, I'm
not convinced that yet. And I'm, you know, if they're,
if, if there are property owners, they're along the lines
that the gentleman described. I think that it's, it sounds
to me that there are things that we could do
within the, uh, the rule book, they currently exist to
say, look, you're acting as a bad actor, uh, and
this council is extremely concerned about what you're doing and
the risks that you're identifying. So I think until I
hear something from those landlords, those park owners would say,
we do not care. We are going to keep doing
exactly what we're going to do. And as Rob said,
there is one tool we have left to play, which
is going to be this. Then I'd be willing to
go there. I'm not, I'm not there yet. Okay. So
do you have what you need for tonight? Okay. Yes,
we do. Thank you. Okay. All right. So, um, that
is item 8. 1. We're going to move on to
item 8. 2 update regarding electric vehicle EV charging stations.
Just give it a minute for the room to clear
out.
All right. Hayes is this one. That's me. All right.
I'm working here. Yes. Okay. So the catalyst for this
I wrote night, um, is, uh, requests from Tesla for
expansion of electric vehicle charging stations and town Mammoth Lakes.
Um, you guys are aware we get asked regularly for
opportunities to provide charging stations. I suspect that you've heard
from local residents about needs and desires for different type
of opportunities. Um, and as you'll hear later in this
presentation, we don't really have good guidance on as staff
as to how to move these things forward or ignore
them or whatever the case may be. Uh, but I
thought it'd be a good opportunity to kind of talk
a little bit about, um, background of the townstipation and
providing these services. Um, what I've seen on public property,
private property, um, little bit about the current request. And
a little bit of discussion about a policy plan. I
am not looking for any specific outcome tonight. Not looking
for any particular decision. Maybe a little bit of guidance
on where we could go with this, what we could
be doing. I have some ideas myself. If you guys
are looking for some input from staff, um, but we're
going to just have a little bit of a dialogue.
So, um, going back to 2015 is when we entered
into the first agreement with Tesla. This is the site,
the parking right site. There are eight supercharger slide got
messed up there. It says park and ride eight superchargers.
Um, this is Tesla only. Um, it's non - exclusive.
In our agreement, which I'll touch on this. I touched
on this in the staff report, non - exclusive does
not mean non - exclusive. Their state law that says
you can't park in EV spaces. We just don't enforce
it. It's in all of our agreements that they're non
- exclusive. So we don't have to take action, but
state law says that only EVs can start park in
EV spaces. Um, and we do not charge any lease
to Tesla. Um, when we put the site together, uh,
there was a pretty strong demand from visitors and residents
to provide some type of EV charging. The second site
came in 2022 with the community recreation center. This was
part of that whole mobility hub component. We brought EV
charging, transit, parking, um, and then all the connectivity came
with the multi - use paths in the sidewalk network
into one mobility hub. Tesla brought 11 chargers. So there's
four universal and seven superchargers. And the Universal, this is
a point of contention where originally J1772 universal part of
the deal with Tesla was that they would provide free
charging to non - Tesla vehicles. And at that time
it was our understanding that they could not charge for
that service. That did not make it into the agreement.
And later they found a path forward to charge through
those lower level chargers. And they currently charged from, which
is quite disappointing. Guys, one quick question. Uh, when you
say Tesla only. Uh, I have a small electric vehicle.
And there are some Tesla charging stations that anybody can
charge at. And the say for Tesla only. Could you
clarify what? Yeah. I was going to touch on that
a little bit later. Okay. Tesla is willing to make
some adjustments to allow for other vehicles. As part of,
uh, their, their offer to us. Um, these, these current
chargers, all the Tesla stations right now are Tesla only
unless they have very specific OEM and a CS type
charging infrastructure. It's a very limited stock that can use
these charges other than Tesla. The universal chargers, Universal, um,
if you have the right adapters, any vehicle can use
them. I have certain terminology because the EV world, they
use so many different terms. Um, and the staff report,
I try to make it clear that there's fast chargers.
And then the fast chargers. And then there's Tesla. And
then there's everybody else. And in that world, those spaces,
there's a lot of subuses. Just trying to keep it
simple for everyone so we can have kind of a
baseline dialogue. Cause you can get lost in the acronyms
very, very quickly in this space. The third site we
authorize was in 2023. This is the Electra FI America
site. This is at the Hillside Parking lot. Um, these
are six fast chargers. These are not exclusive to Tesla.
These are universal. So anybody with an EV can use
them. That happens to write adapters and infrastructure. Um, they
have an option to add two more on top of
the six that they're installing right now. We are not
taking a lease payment on these. Um, like I said,
they're open to all EVs. And this is currently under
construction. My understanding. I was out there just the other
day. Um, they're awaiting some inspections from SCE. That was
the main challenge with this getting completed last year. Um,
my understanding is that will be done this week. And
by the end of next week, they should about have
about half the site. Buttoned up and people can start
using it again while they're getting their final inspection setting
their switch gear, setting their transformers and so forth. So
I know that has been a difficult thing to deal
with this summer not having the site available. Um, but
as you can see in this photo, the giant trench
down the middle of the parking lot. And the trench
you can't see that goes perpendicular. So it was not
safe for the public views. But that should be backfilled
and slurried in. And by the end of the next
week, open, uh, at least the majority of the lot.
And here's another photo. Uh, the fourth site we authorized,
um, was with EV range. This was just last November.
Also at the park and ride lot, um, they are
proposing eight fast chargers, similar to Electrify America that are
open to any EV. Um, with this one, we took
a little bit different tact. Um, they didn't typically pay
lease payments. They had all of these companies have different
models. Um, however, we were willing to work a deal
with them to get a 600 dollar month credit for
Town government vehicles. Um, if we ever move into that
space, they have a building permit. They've applied for the
building permit. They've received their building permit, but they have
not given us a start date for construction. And I
don't have any updates other than that. Sorry. One quick
question. Is this part of the EV range the federal
subsidy? Are they part of that federal subsidy program? I
don't know how they're funding this aspect of their operation.
Um, if you recall and we were going through the
lease agreement, uh, mothership of EV range and they have
different businesses underneath it. I can't speak to which component
of the company this is unbelievable. This came up that
EV range was going to put a bunch of charging
stations off. So those are the four that we've offered
town property to private entities to provide this service. Um,
the town itself is working on a couple of chargers.
We have three chargers that I'll be at the Town
Hall. These are beef for government vehicles. We're working with
ESTON, SCE on four chargers at the STHQ. That's 210
commerce to support some electric vehicles and buses that they're
purchasing. Um, our chargers will be up by, well, this
year. And, uh, Esthers should be sometime next year. It's
about an 18 month process on that ramp. Um, I
looked at what was available on, um, private property. And
I'll say that we can't control what happens on private
property. So, um, I just went off what's on the
plug share website plug shares, you know, used by most
EV users, owners defined chargers. I can't speak to the
availability of these. You know, that's for the private businesses
to determine. Um, there are six Rivian chargers, which are
publicly available by GoodLife. There's charges at the Weston, the
village, wollies, and one at the RV park. I believe
those are for people using those businesses. I haven't personally
tried to co - use them myself. Um, but they're
on private property and they're for private use, but they
are available to public or the patrons, um, who use
those services. Hey, it's just a clarification that. So, um,
Rox Spring's going in, they're not required to put an
EV station in. Yeah. The green building code requires a
certain number of stations. That's what I thought they said.
So there is Town Does mandate through code for certain.
Yeah. And they may not be publicly, um, transparent on
these sites, like plug share, because they may only be
for the users. They may only be for people staying
at Rock Spring or limelight. You know, I'm sure they
have chargers in their basement. They're not publicly available. And
I suspect, and I know that there are other chargers
in town that are under that. I just went off,
what was the information publicly available? So we had some
kind of baseline. So the request. John to answer your
question. The new Tesla V4 architecture allows for OEM manufacturers
that use the NEHCS standard, which is the Tesla plug,
um, to use those chargers. And I believe they've opened
the architecture up to some other vehicles as well. I
don't have the full list. In front of me, but
if you go to the Tesla website and look it
up, it's got the list of all the manufacturers that
can use those newer style chargers, which I have a
photo of right there. With an adapter. Yeah. If you
don't, well, the end that architecture is OEM for a
lot of these new manufacturers. Right. So, and I, I
don't know how far back it's reverse compatible, um, with
like a Chevy Bolt or a leaf. Or I don't
know. I don't have that detail, but the, the, um,
Tesla website has that information. But I believe moving forward,
the newer architecture, most vehicles will be able to use,
um, the Tesla stations. Um, they desire to put blocks
of eight. I think that just happens to work with
their Transformers and the way that there are architecture. So
if I, if we offer two or three, they're really
not interested. And they're looking for blocks of paint. I
mentioned the staff report. If we gave them 40 spaces,
they would take it. Um, they see, uh, a lot
of demand, a lot of increase in demand. And their
company policy is not to be behind. They want to
be in front. So they want to build out before
they see, um, long wait times. Uh, their wait time
is 10 minutes. If they see waiting more than 10
minutes, they don't believe they're providing adequate service. They have
their models based on Eastern Sunday scenarios holiday weekends. Um,
and I mentioned all this in the staff report. I'm
not going to rehash all the details. But, um, they
see strong demand and they see, um, significant increase over
the next five to 10 years. Um, they're offering to
pay lease payments. Um, this is different than, um, what
they've offered in the past. Um, up to 300 dollars
of space. And they mentioned that if they were able
to get chargers that say hypothetically the parking rifle lot,
but not the CRC, they would be willing to sign
a new agreement at the CRC under the existing circumstances
to pay lease there just to get more spaces at
the parking ride lot. And so that's 300 per month
per space per month. First base per month. Yeah. So
if you were to get, we were going to get
the full 300 dollars per space that would be over
80. So, if you put in an EV spot, does
that take just one parking spot or do you sacrifice
other parking spots to put any of you spot in?
Uh, that's a great question. Um. For the chargers at
the parking ride lot, we did a very custom installation
with Tesla to allow the plow blade to go through
those faces. So they're wider than typical at the CRC
and what we say at Electrify America stations and what
we'll see with EV range they're designed and set up
in such a way that the plow goes perpendicular so
it doesn't have the same pass - through. The pass
- through stations require more space. To get a 14
- foot blade through it. Almost a parking spot in
the half. Um, you also have to provide ADA spaces.
So the VAN Accessible space is a space and a
half. So you can lose some spaces, side - dimensionally.
When you put in a new installation. But you're losing
to parking space because someone is going to be charging
there instead of only parking the car there. And we'll
get into the policy side of this thing. You were
encumbering public parking spaces with electrical charging spaces. You're swapping
them out. So that's the offer. And I can get
to more details. I will say Tesla, um, they do
what they say they're going to do. And they've been
very accommodating for any issues we had anytime. There's a
problem out at the CRC or at the parking ride
lot. We make phone call, send an email. They send
a technician. They deal with it. They've been a very
good partner to work with. Um. But it puts these
requests put staff in a difficult spot. Every single one
of these requests have been brought to counsel case by
case one at a time. Um, not looking at some
holistic larger plant or policy or program. And, uh, we
don't have a lot of guidance on how to have
these dialogues and these conversations. Um, and so that's why
I'm bringing this fork to you guys. Um, because we're
also seeing the increase in demand. I mean, the sales
numbers in California, we only see that increasing. What we're
not seeing is the private side jumping in and building
charging stations outside of Rivian and the chargers that really
serve the private developments. Um, we haven't seen a success
story in Mammoth of a private electrify America station or
Tesla station. So they continue to look to the town
for opportunities to meet their demand. And so we're looking
for guidance as to what the role of the town
is. In that space. We don't have good guidance on
it. Um, I looked at the Mono County Local Transportation
Commissions, Mono County alternative fueling corridor. Doesn't really provide great
guidance. Um, on what the town should be doing with
its land. Uh, Mono County has a policy in their
general plan that says, um, the good balance to allow
for electric vehicle charging. County land. We don't have any
similar or corollary in our general plan. So we didn't
make any commitments to Tesla. We just said, Hey, we'll
bring this forward to Council, see what the appetite is,
what they're interested in doing. And then get back to
them. Um, but I'm really interested in your thoughts as
what you think we should be doing, what you think
we should be doing prepare or if anything. And that's
really, uh, my presentation. And I'm hoping to engage in
a dialogue on the subject. I have a quick question
for you. Um, so the charging stations at the CRC
is the electricity that's used for that separately metered and
paid by Tesla or is that what the CRC? Yeah.
So, uh, I should have mentioned this with the CRC
Tesla gave us 80, 000 dollars to bring that electrical
service into the CRC. As part of that mobility hub
component. We, the town already had to bring in significant
service to run the ice rink. They, they front loaded
that and paid for it for us. And so then
they were able to use that infrastructure for their, their
charging stations. But the monthly cost to there's no monthly
talk. There was a one time payment. Yep. Okay. And
then they set it up. And then all of these
installations every single one that we've authorized on Town property,
they pay for the electricity. They have their own meters,
their own Transformers, their own architecture, um, we don't bury
any cost there. Uh, would Elon Musk put a parking
structure at the park and ride. Uh, I don't think
that's his business model, but I, I don't have a
direct line of communication. I don't mind doing business with
Tesla, but not to maybe doing business with that guy.
Okay. Has anything like that been discussed or anything like
maybe putting up. I mean, cause for me looking at
this, I feel like for every charging station we put
in, we're losing a parking spot and parking is very
tight, you know, especially during the winter months. But around
the village, like it's tight all year round. Um, I
would be interested, you know, if it was increasing our
parking capacity, you know, like putting a park in structure
into the parking ride or at the hillside, um, hillside
drive lot, turning that lot into a parking structure. You
know, and having half of the spaces be EV spaces
or, you know, some, something substantial like that. But I
think that it's hard to, like you said, the county's
policy. Like when it, when it's taking away parking from
an already congested spot that has limited parking, I think
that it's, um, difficult at the moment. And I, I
think that, um, like in Bishop, isn't the Rivian charging
at El Polloco? You know, I think that the Vons
parking lot would be a great place for some EV
chargers at the back of the lot there, but that's,
you know, they would have to contact the owners of
that parking lot and work on that themselves. Like I
think that the town does have limited public parking around
Town. Well, Brent, you had a thought, mind you. Oh
yeah. Well, I think that, um, uh, couple of things.
One is we had a discussion, an interesting discussion. Does
the council back in the basement of the brewery a
couple months ago? And we talked about a bunch of
different things. But climate, you know, the whole, our policy,
our overall vision about how we're dealing with policy with
climate, uh, was an interesting one. And I'm looking forward
to seeing that come forward. We can figure out how
to navigate through that. Uh, but one of the things
I think we talked about is the fact that this
may be the last winter sports recreation destination in the
state. You know, that's Hayes pointing out increasing demand for
these kinds of things. That's kind of a unique position
for us to be in. So I think it's something
to be thinking about how do we ensure that to
our audience that we are in a leadership position in
terms of climate mitigation doing what we can do. Um,
I think your point about public space versus private spaces
is a very good one. And I think that that's
something that we should start figuring out how to have
those discussions. With the large parking lots in town to
say, look, we need to start talking with you all
about it. We want to be in a leadership position
with regards to climate doing what we can do. We
have limited public facilities. We provide free public park. Do
we want to keep doing that? I mean, one of
the great building zoning challenges in the town is that
we've got all these 1960 strip malls that, I mean,
the whole downtown revitalization plan was about how do we
start getting out of the parking lot business and start
building housing and, you know, converting that real estate to
something else. So I think this is, it's along those
same kinds of lines, um, that I think I agree
with you. I think it's not ideal that we're using
all of our public assets for this kind of stuff.
We need to bring other partners into this because we
have very limited real estate, whether it's public or private,
um, and I think we should find a way to
start talking, um, with those parts. The Rivian charters are
right in front of good life. I don't know how
they did that, but it's like, it's like the prime
parking spaces in front of good life are Rivian EV
chargers. Okay. Well, good on you. Uh, but I think
there could be some ways that we could talk to
people with more parking opportunities than they probably need started
figuring a way. Let's start spreading the fun around a
little bit. And what about the public parking down Main
Street, you know, like in front of the businesses, like
Way Rave and Stellar Brew and Napa, you know, there
is public parking there that it wouldn't be an eight
space. Well, I think you get into the technical realities
of what they, I mean, I feel like in some
of those things, if it were a charger or two,
I would be open, you know, like away from the
village, I feel like some of those businesses, it would
be good for the businesses to have a singular or
two chargers. And maybe it's not with Tesla. Maybe it's
with Rivian or a different company. But, you know, the
thing that they're asking for about like eight spaces, I
don't know that we have the space for that. Yeah.
And I think, I mean, if you look at what,
like what they're doing up with at the mobile mark,
I mean, you know, these, how many is he putting
in there? That's got to be more than eight. No,
I don't know the number, but it's a large. It's
a large. He's putting in a whole bunch up there
up in Bridgeport. They just, you know, 15, 20 are
going up there. So obviously demand is there. I think
we want to be playing in that. But I think
we should find a way to try to get more
players into this to help us out with us. Well,
and sort of similar for the standpoint of. You have
people use DVs. We need it as a leader leading
destination place. We should have places where people can charge
your vehicles, etc. Maybe not just Tesla, but more universal
charging stations. But to me, it's that we want to
have a policy where we are anticipating and working not
only businesses, whether it's our own properties. I'll come back
to that in a second. But, you know, to encourage
that we need to have more EV stations to a
certain degree, what's the demand? Make sure we're not like
building 500 and no one use those. But I think
it would be good at some point in time that
we actually develop a policy on this as we, whether
it's climate change or where we roll it into is
like, okay, we were trying to be good stewards of
this land and it's more efficient way to do things
with going down the road. But I'm not against looking
at a town property from time to time when we
analyze the public benefit. You know, there may be times
and I don't want to get into where those stations
are or not because I think that staff is better
quick to judge based on power location, whatever. But if
the public benefit and we actually received enough return on
that, that it justifies plug vivot. Maybe it's 10, 000
dollars a month. I don't just say if there should
be looking at that, but we should not be the
only resource. And as I agree with both of you
going is town on, because they're coming town because we're
the easy one player. And it's easy to come to
town and say, Oh, we want to use this, this,
and this line. I mean, originally thought the reason this
is on the agenda is because I'm one in wise
hillside closed in the middle of summer. And no one's
told me about it. And I, again, I'm like, wow.
Um, well, the other thing we, we could be doing
is sort of thinking about how do we incentivize some
of the private owners to say, look, and that's what
I'm going as a part of our policy is how
can we stand by or assist them to make movement
in that direction so that we're working together to achieve
a challenge? Yeah. I would point out also that the
yield walk bike ride plan, uh, the mobility hub, the
reason, I mean, there was a policy place for why
that, all that charging stuff happened, why that mobility hub
happened at the CRC because the things in the walk
bike ripeling that call out for things like that. And
it happened to all come together in that one particular
instance. But hopefully we can be looking for more opportunities
like that. Yeah, I appreciate that. That's some good, good
comments there. Um. You brought up the idea of a
study. This is one of the things I was going
to suggest if I didn't hear it. Is there's, um,
we don't, we know we have strong parking demand. There's
a lot of need in this town. Seasonal need that
changes. Um, and the EV charging stations obviously impact that.
But the benefit to it because the percentage of the
people who are looking for it. Are they in the
right locations? Are they in the right place? Um, to
be determined. Um, back at the envelope town has about
950 spaces that were responsible for in the summertime that
are publicly maintained between our facilities or parks. The street
parking that is formalized with signs. Um, not talking about
the stuff around the ski area and the wintertime, just
the formal stuff. I'm 950 spaces. So quite a bit.
And we've got about 37 of those spaces in cumber
right now. So it's a small percentage, but it does
have an impact. And where you place them obviously has
an impact. Um, you kind of almost mentioned economic development.
I think it's a mix. People want them and then
they don't want them. I think there's a desire because
it drives traffic to business. But also encumbers the parking
so other people can't get it. So there's a balance
there that I can't quantify. I think it would be
worthwhile to talk to some experts about that and get
some information from the public and how they feel about
it. So if we talk about studies, would it be
possible to look at where the electrical infrastructure exists such
that, okay, irregardless whose property is this is a good
opportunity. That would be a good opportunity. That might be
a good place to kind of start. Yeah. Where the
circuitry is. Yeah. Cause that's definitely an issue. They're looking
for, it's very expensive to move that kind of architecture
around. It's just a little challenge sometimes because I mean,
we do studies on lots of different things in this
town. And what's going to take in this regard, in
my opinion, is relationships with businesses to say just like
the bond shopping market and other locations, maybe this place,
that you got to work with them and say, okay,
how can we make this happen? We can do a
study as we should have them all here, here, here,
because these are hubs. But that may not be the
location that way they can be into because no one's
willing to talk about downtown plan. We've been, we put
that out. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm not
talking about planning study. It's a very, an inventory. Perhaps
of where is the electrical infrastructure existing? That's right. As
I heard study. That's why I'm just, maybe we afraid
it's a decision making tool, right? We're kind of in
a vacuum right now. We've got some really good questions.
We know that there's a need out there, but we're
not in this position to really provide good recommendations or
guidance from either side right now. Um, we're trying to
do the best we can with what we understand is
the demand in the need, but it's not quantifiable. I
mean, we don't haven't gone out to the community and
talked to them about this stuff. Well, the only other,
on a sort of a side note to that is
that whatever chargers like Tesla is putting in, this whole,
whatever the mystery is about Tesla only, they can't put
in Tesla only chargers. And maybe because the technology's advanced
and the point now where you, any Tesla charger, any
vehicle with adapters or whatever will be able to use
it. What I'm out there driving around, you run into
Tesla lots that they say, Oh no, only, only Tesla
users can use this. And I don't know if that's
a technological problem or if that's, if that's a Tesla
corporate thing that they're saying, they're reserving it for their
vehicles. I think that that should be, if they're putting
things in here, like if you've got the adapter, if
you've got whatever, it's open to all vehicles. Because we
can't afford to have like, you know, charges for this
kind of car and they charge it for that kind
of car. It's that we should be as universal as
possible. Exactly. They made that commitment. Okay. Um, when I
talked to them, that was one of the issues we,
we brought up because years ago we were having these
conversations about testing that we didn't have the Rivian or
the Electrify America, the EV range opportunities that are coming
online. This was a major issue. We didn't have fast
DC charging for other vehicles. So, um, they were willing
to, in the agreements, make the chargers available to all
OEM and ACS standard product on the Disney architecture. Is
this a space that other municipalities are like making agreements
in? Or I mean, I guess I feel like I
don't have an electric car, but I feel like I
noticed them mainly at like businesses and not at public
parks or, you know, parking lots. For example, like if
you go to Las Vegas, like huge EV traffic going
back and forth. Tesla goes and finds a place. And
they set up 50 chargers. It's the kind of thing
that, and think of us as a destination. And we're
going to get these surges of people coming up here
with those vehicles. And that's the demand I think you're
talking about. We need to figure out a way to
sound. But when you say Tesla finds a space. Like
they purchased land and put in their own chargers or
are they, you know, getting Nevada and putting it on
the city's property and not paying them anything and saying
that. I don't know. We're going to let everybody charge
their charge for free. And then we're starting to. There
is a private sector incentive for this. And the question
is scale and volume. And I think we're getting into
that neighborhood where I think we can start to say,
hi, you've got to demand for your users. Great. We're
not going to just give you public property over and
over again to do that. We need to start refining
away, even if it's more incentivizing taking public money and
incentivizing to put it on non - public infrastructure, start
thinking about doing those in those kinds of ways. Because
like I was approached by EV several years ago and
their deal was we want to put in a property,
but we're going to pay you per kilowatt usage of
the device as our rent. Yeah. So they were paying
for the paper and it became an income source for
a private enterprise. Yeah. So I think the market is
opening up in such a way that we can, we
don't have to be incentivizing just nakedly with our public
assets. Uh, we can try to find a way to
have a conversation on these things. And I'll add and
I mentioned this in the staff report that there are
some, some state law that require streamlining and processing for
these types of applications, uh, for electric vehicle charging on
private property. Um, but what I've been told is that
the maintenance costs, um, this normal movable cost. And those
obligations outweighed the value of the rent. So maybe I'll,
and the deserts, you know, in between Las Vegas, it's
cheap to buy land. And it's easy to encumbrate the
land here is extremely valuable and to encumber it for
a small lease payment for an EV charger is not
as exciting. But we don't really know what it would
take to incentivize to turn, to make that difference, um,
for a private business or a bond or a larger
parking lot. We don't know. Well, it'd be interesting to
start talking to the private landscape. The Vaughns or the,
you know, everybody, the good book, talk to those parking
lot people and say, look, what do you, how can
we, how did good life, I mean, it was a
good life to put the Rivian charges there. Was it
the landlord? No, it's the landlord. Okay. So that. What
deal do they make. Great question. Yeah. Um, so I'm
hearing the consensus I'm probably trying to put something together
to understand this better. Call it a decision document study,
whatever. I can do this through the LTC. We have
funding available and do this type of transportation work. It's
not something that's going to happen tomorrow because we are
a little busy with, uh, a lot of different things.
But if I'm getting, definitely you're nodding your head. I
just feel like it's kind of like I don't know
that we're going to be able to come up with
a document that is going to guide us on every
parking decision, you know, doing that as I feel like,
um, I definitely, if you mean doing a study, like
you're going to put some things together, I would be
supportive of that. But if you mean like doing a
study like hiring a consultant and getting their expert advice,
I would not be interested in that. I would say,
I think that kind of like each electric vehicle charging
station potential idea would need to come before the council.
And it would be decided on a case by case.
Basis. That would be my preference. I'm here a little
bit different. I'm hearing age you're saying do an inventory
of what we have. Come with some recommendations of where
it goes. But I'm looking for me personally, policy is
not aware they actually go. It's like we want to
encourage that we're going to work with local businesses. We
want to encourage that we keep up with, um, having
the proper number of E stations that are multiversal. So
we aren't stuck in one area. And place them more
appropriate that makes sense for the community or try to
encourage them what makes sense community. And that may not
be on our property. Correct. Or maybe on property. I
just, but that can't always be we can't always fulfill
the demand. Using what we have. Yeah. When I'm talking
about this document, whatever it is, I am looking at
hiring a consultant because it's not something that I believe
I have the expertise to put together. Um, the reason
for it is because I can't make a good recommendation.
I'm not in a position to tell you if this
is a good deal or a bad deal. If this
is the best thing for the community or the worst
thing for the community, I don't have, I don't have
the information. I don't know. I can't quantify the impact.
I can't tell you the economic benefit. I can't tell
you the value of loss of land that's being cumbered.
I'm just not in a good spot to make a
recommendation. I think the first four, the first couple were
really easy because we, but the last one was really
challenging. I felt like we really kind of struggled to
get to a decision on that. And when this, they
approached me this last time, I told them flat out.
I'm like, I don't, I don't know. I can't tell
you if this is a good idea or a bad
idea. I just don't really have a background. So when
we're talking about putting a study together, I'm looking at
someone who's going to look at the economics who's going
to look at the impact of parking. Some really interesting
stuff that may be coming out from the state on
climate that I heard about related to the value of
each EV charging stations versus mobility hubs. That the higher
priority on the, I've heard some interesting things that I
would want someone to dig into and put a document
together so that the next time this comes forward, I
can say, Hey, based on this, here's, here's some better
data to make a decision. I think, I think what
we, what we need, I think what we all need
is, is a basic decision matrix to figure out how
to, you know, when an operating comes forward, okay, is
it this? Is it that and be able to prioritize
things? And it's a rapidly changing environment. And just one
last thought is I've heard, you know, the Bicera, you
know, likely the next governor. Oh, we're going to make
our meet our electric vehicle mandates by 2040 whatever it
is. I mean, the state is still actively pursuit of
these goals, which means subsidies, which means opportunities and things
like that. But Rob, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I was
just going to make a couple of comments. I think
it's a good dialogue. Essentially, you know, we're always unique,
right? The town has limitations that don't exist in a
lot of places. When you start talking about availability of
land, you know, we don't have a space where they
can put in, you know, 50 spaces or go acquire
some land to do that. So it sort of put
it on us to do that. We've got snow. Right.
Much snow, snow removal issue. So I don't think there's
anything outside of the town that supports what we should
do when you talk about policy. We're not going to
find it anywhere. Um, we're going to have to create
the model that works for us. And I think what
Hades is struggling to figure out is just what, what
are the parameters around that? And I think we're going
to have to probably invest in studies that talk about
our unique situations. And gives us those, those guidelines. Cause
that's what we're exactly what we're looking for. It's like
when, when an opportunity arises, what are the questions we
need to ask? What are our marching orders that we
need to put it into? So, um, I think we're
going to need that in order to really come up
with something unique for the town. I'd also like to
encourage, you know, I think the grid opportunity for individual
business owners to make investments that make them more attractive
to people that have those types of vehicles and set
themselves up for the future, but they also run into,
you know, the limitations of what they have in their
own parking lot grappling with the question of whether they
should dedicate or not, uh, and then going back to
the cost of snow removal. I think in that space,
a decision that has to be made around what is
the price point for that particular spot? Because you've got
to cover the cost operationally as well as provide for
a little bit more. So in all aspects, things are
going to have to move. And we have the answers
to none of it. And so the funding for this
come out of the LTC? Yes. Okay. Yeah. I guess
I just feel like is a consultant going to. Understand
that we're on island in the forest and that there's
no parking. I mean, 950 spaces for 9, 000 residents.
That's not a lot of spaces. Yeah. Um, I feel
that we'll be able to find somebody who is knowledgeable
in this space and can help us put something together.
There's a number of consultants we work with that really
understand Mammoth and the challenges here. That I would be
comfortable in talking to about something like this and putting
to work on a scope. Um, again, it's not going
to happen tomorrow. This is something that's going to have
to get programmed into the overall work program at the
LTC. And won't happen tomorrow. Um, but I think it
would be valuable to get some of this information. Cause
I don't think this will be the last time a
request is before us. Um, and I think and hopefully
the market demand is going to start to increase. And
then we've got something in place that can help us
navigate that. But would future requests still come before the
Council? If you hire consultant and come with, like get
us a great playbook and this is what you should
do. And this is what it's worth. Like those questions
of should we put an EV station here? That would
still come before the Council or would then staff just
decide? No. Staff, um, doesn't have the unilateral authority to
make those decisions on the use of public land, our
town property. So any decision would have to come before
Council for any agreements or executed. I think we'd just
be in a better position to say these are good
spots for these. These are bad spots for these. We
have good public support. This is good economic development. Um,
it's, it's they can frame it up and know what
they're doing. We can give you a better. I'm fine.
I'm fine doing the consultant as long as like the
ultimate approval comes before council before we do any more
EV parking stations. So thank you. Uh, that is actually
very helpful to have some support and a little bit
of guidance in that space. That's something that we'll start
framing up. Um, I do need to deal with the
request in front of me. We don't have to make
any decisions today. Um, but I will ultimately have to
get them an answer on whether or not we're going
to work with them on expansion change leases, um, payments
and all that kind of fun stuff. Okay. But at
this point you don't have a proposal. You do have
a site. I have, yes. They, they want, they would
expand at either location right now if we would allow
them to. My personal opinion is that the CRC is
too encumbered into allow for any expansion. If we did
anything there, I would say convert the universal chargers to
fast DC chargers that were accessible by all vehicles. That
would be a recommendation. Um, I think the park and
right lot continues to be underutilized. I said this in
the staff report. We've gone through an exercise of trying
to make it more interesting mobility hub. But for whatever
reason, it does not get utilized. I think pushing the
EV traffic there rather than in the village or other
locations to me makes sense. That's just anecdotal. I don't
have the data to really. So if I could just
as an example, um, I think it would make sense
to at the CRC not add anything new, but update
your infrastructure. Okay. Good. No net loss there. The parking
ride lot. You spend time, I used to get my
acupuncturist was over there. It spent a lot of time
in that lot. So I see what was happening in
the parking ride lot, which is analogous at that thing
that was making that Las Vegas example before Sunday afternoons,
people leaving the destination, they're in that lot charging their
vehicles to drive to LA. So if that's a place
that's underutilized and the lot of competing interests, that might
be a place to consider to add some more chargers.
But I guess one thing that I'd like to bring
up is with the Town Office is moving and there
is limited parking at that Civic Center area. Don't we
expect to be using the parking ride lot for staff
parking more in the future. I think some. I can't
remember the number I've thought of my head. I think
the 50 or 60 spaces in there. And we'll have,
um, 16, 24 of them would be if we were
to expand could be encumbered by EV chargers. So that
would bring it down to how many spaces for non
EV cars. Don't quote me on the number around 30,
35, not including the street parking. So the proposal though
right now is for eight state. Eight charting. They would
go, they would do 40 if you'd let them. But
I think eight a block of eight is a reasonable.
If I were to make a recommendation in a vacuum,
I think eight is a reasonable. I think getting the
architecture upgraded to allow for other vehicles make sense. And
the ability for us to renegotiate our leases to get
payment. If we were to expand could be a little
over 90, 000 dollars a year, which we could potentially
use for incentives or other things in a program or
offset maintenance costs, whatever you guys decide. But it's, it's
opportunity that we don't have right now. Cause I drive
by that a lot of a fair amount. And what
I see those cars will park those charging stations and
they're there for like two days. I mean, I'll get
in charge or charge. They're just sitting there and no
one else can pull in. So I don't know if
that is a good or bad thing, but they're stuck
in the parking spots. The rest of the lot seems
like the sum availability that's not. It's probably impacted from
the neighborhood. Yeah. Not enough. We have a large portion
of that lock carved out for the hospital and the
town hall contractors to park off site. So we've given
them permit to use. A nice chunk of that just
to mitigate the impact of the surrounded demoni and the
courts while that construction activities. But that'll be over. That'll
be over next year. So I don't know. I think
that if you were to bring back a proposal along
those lines, I'd like to see something like that. If
for the parking ride. No, for starting with CRC, just
no net loss of spaces, update your equipment, renegotiate leases,
bring some money in off of that. If that could
be in the deal, that sounds interesting. And then Park
and Riot, I think, um, if the, I mean, you
heard the concerns here, but the way to put something
in there that's going to be consistent with the use.
We could send me to talk about. We could figure
out what we want to do that or not. Yeah.
I'm not going to guess looking at that. And I'm
not sure as quite enough money from where I've been
thinking. But I think that if we could get the
money from the four non charging station universal is at
the CRC may not be a bad exchange for, cause
then we start getting in, if we can start generating
some revenue and use that for incentives to get it
on non public places, then maybe, maybe we're getting into
something that we can develop down the road. But I,
but for me, I'm more interested in like eight slots
there, not 40 in the parking ride. Oh yeah. Yeah.
I feel like I don't have a good visual of
what they're asking at the parking ring. Like and what
we've already said, yeah, I think I've got enough here.
Okay. I'm hearing we'll work on some scope for study
later date. Let me go talk to the rep at
Tesla. Let's see if we can get some deal points
together. And I'll bring it back with some mapping and
some, some more information. And then you guys can chew
on it at that time. There's no need to make
a decision tonight. Okay. It's been very helpful. Yeah. This
has been very helpful. Thank you very much. Um, do
you guys want to take a break or should we
do the next? Can we do a quick break. Okay.
Let's do a five minute break. Okay. Great. Thank you.
I never said that. Richard
Sartin. Yeah. I was looking for you online. I didn't
know if I was quote for me raised my answer
or not. So yes, you should. Okay. There should have
been changed. Cookies. You know, it's what the, okay, good.
Thank you. So we didn't have to come on that.
We come back and come on. We should come back
to this house. Oh, okay.
So John, I didn't see this gentleman in the room.
I was looking for him online. Recognize your t -
shirt on your logo there. So if you had to
be technical questions for him. Just a drive a bolt
and I arrive at some of your charging stations for
Tesla only. Now is that a technical thing or is
that a corporate decision that we just want to make
these for Tesla vehicles. That need to just not compatible.
Okay. Good. Why we're coming to the town. Right. So
that's exactly what we want to do. Because you've heard
in the discussion, very limited real estate. And so we
don't want to have, you got to go to five
different places. If we can do that, I would support
upgrading that. So my bolt, my little adapter, I can
plug in and I'm happy. And yeah, and I appreciate
the first choices to try to win the city as
an hour pain. Originally, these were zero deals. Right. We're
making money. Right. Well, if you can, if we can
figure out a way to take the money that we're,
you heard the discussion, if we can take the money
that we're working, say a little bit of public infrastructure.
And we can start going out to, you guys can
figure out where's the infrastructure already at, put it here,
put it there. Then we're going to get, then we're
in business. That's where we want to get to. Part
of the reason to do the study. Hey Brent. Yeah.
This gentleman here is nice to meet you. I didn't
see him. In the audience. I was looking for a
comment. I didn't have a conversation. I know. I appreciate
you looking at it. We do. We, when do you
say non - exclusive? We mean that we're open to
all EV providers. A lot of these people write it
right in under exclusively. Which I'm going to like the
more there. So electricity. So what you see, but also
that's the reason we're coming to you. All these consequences
as our. What means Evie go and come to you
and say, do you want to do Brent said? We
use dot exclusive in all of our greens for all
these purposes so that different.
How's your break. Summer? No, you're for your five minute
break. Did you, did you get a summer break. Well,
we went back. Well, that's great. And we're totally open.
That means for you it starts tomorrow, right? Good luck.
No. Okay. Okay. Okay. We are back. And we are
on to item 8. 3, understanding credit rating, standard and
pores rating review with Lauren Warhamme.
My first presentations, the technological. So don't say anything because
some other people take like 20 minutes. So what you're
doing great. Well, as long as we don't mind that
talking up there. It's not up there. No, that isn't
true. It's just for you. Oh. Okay. Just wanted to
distract you while you were doing that. So thank you.
Mayor. At the Council members. I will walk you through.
Our credit rating review with Standard and Borus, also known
as SMP. One of the nation's leading independent credit rating
agencies. This review is an essential part of maintaining retells
financial credibility and ensuring continued access. To low cost firing.
SOVA evaluates the ability of public and private organizations to
repay. There. You go. Agency's typically complete a credit review
when issuing new debt to assist with bond sales on
the open market and through ongoing annual updates for secondary
market trading. In many ways, the rating functions. The rating
functions as an objective financial report card to the community.
SMP assesses the town's overall credit worthiness. A strong rating
signals fiscal responsibility to both rating. I'm not sure that
went forward. Sorry, I should have numbered my slides. So
start over on that. A strong rating signals fiscal responsibility
to both residents and investors influencing investor confidence. And ultimately
affecting our borrowing cost. Because the rating agency directly impacts
the interest rate that we do pay on bonds. It
influences the cost of major capital projects such as infrastructure.
Public safety facilities and community improvements. A higher rating reduces
long - term taxpayer cost and can also remove the
need for bond insurance or debt service reserve requirements. The
review process begins with a written request for financial documents
and information. And SMPanalyst review these materials, then conduct a
follow - up meeting with staff. To clarify details and
gather additional context. Staff can provide further information to support
the town's strongest possible rating. The SMP analyst then presents
our full profile to an internal SMP committee. Which votes
on whether to upgrade, downgrade, or maintain the rating. The
final rating and written rationale are published in an SMP
analyst continues to monitor the town with annual updates. We
provided information on several key areas. Local economic conditions, including
employment, tax - based stability, tourism trends, and tax -
based diversity. Management and government's practices, including financial policies, short
- term planning, transparency, and council oversight. Budgetary performance, such
as revenue and expenditure trends, forecasting structural balance and compliance
with our reserve policy. Budgetary and reserve flexibility, including liquidity,
fund balances, and our ability to respond to economic changes
over the long term. Long - term liabilities, including bonds,
pension obligations, and other commitments. And the institutional framework for
California Local Governments. This year, SMP upgraded the Town COP's
rating to A - plus from single A with a
stable outlook. So great news there. The published report highlighted
several strengths of the town, a stable, diverse local economy,
supported by both residents and visitors. Strong and consistent TOT
performance and conservative budgeting, a small and manageable debt burden.
Robust financial policies and internal management. Healthy reserve levels and
active wildfire mitigation and prevention efforts. SMP also noted opportunities
for potential future upgrades, including adopting long - term financial
planning and forecasting tools, strengthening internal controls, and financial processes.
They also mentioned the town's reliance on tourism driven revenues,
which can fluctuate based on whether economic conditions. They pointed
out that a broader base of year - round residents
generally creates more stable revenue trends over time. To be
clear, this is not a recommendation for locals to pay
more in taxes. It's simply an observation that communities with
a larger resident tax base tend to see less voluntarily
overall. And as town council. Your oversight is vital. To
sustaining long - term financial stability. And this includes adopting
responsible short and long - term plans and policies. Approving
a balanced fiscally sustainable budget that meets community needs over
time and help moderate tourism - related volatility. Maintaining adequate
reserve levels. Exercising prudent debt approval. Supporting responsible economic development,
and ensuring transparency in financial reporting. So thank you for
your time tonight, and I welcome any questions or comments.
Any questions? A couple other ones. So what we got
upgraded, what does that mean economically? What kind of rate
reduction would we potentially see like on a bond, et
cetera? For each rate, we go up how much better
are we in getting rates. So we do have fixed
rate bonds, so it won't impact us right away. However,
if the market does change and say rates come down,
that would allow some opportunities to potentially refinance at a
savings. And the higher rate you have, the more investor
confidence. And so that would be basically realized savings in
terms of we should get a lower rate based on
our higher credit rating. Right, so we're not with a
new bond right now. We in theory get a better
rate than what we were before, because we got a
slightly better rating standpoint. Even though the existing rating, as
well now, is really not what I call excellent, but
it's very good. There's a time when we didn't have
as good a rating in this community. This is a
strong rating, and you are absolutely correct that the two
ways it could benefit us. If the market moves, you
know, far enough that we can realize savings or for
any new debt issuance if we contemplate issuing any new
debt. And I'm not sure Ms. Pallies, but like a
private business is it's not yearly review. It's multiple a
year. Is that the same way with like SAP? Would
we get reviewed next year at the same time? Or
is it five years or 10 years? What would be
the next logical timeframe, or do we request that? So
what I'm typically used to is getting evaluated on an
annual basis. And then also any new debt issuances. It
sounds like our past history is every other year, um,
but we also issued the new 2024 COPs. So it
may be an annual review. Yes, so the monitoring, as
Lauren indicated, the monitoring is an annual process, but that's
more of an analyst at SMP that's focused on, you
know, what's going on and making sure they have situational
awareness. I think they can trigger, you know, if the
drastic changes that go on that can trigger some other
opportunities to review us. But all things considered every two
years is what we've had. And then, you know, with
any issuances. And my last one is just, you know,
it's not always directly related, but it is. If we
were to have a large incendiary event within a close
proximity, could that potentially impact our rating just from, I
call it sort of disaster. I don't want to say
a disaster. A significant, um, impact. If we had a
forest fire that was, that was there. Does that have
strictly just economic driven? Because what I'm used to in
private industry, it's all economic. And now it's kind of
changed. I didn't know if they incorporate into climate adaptation,
things that happen that might impact the rating. That's specifically
why we mentioned the wildfire mitigation efforts that we're using.
Um, because when we're assessing risk to our ability to
continue to perform our revenue generating functions, which is having
people come visit the town, right? So I would say
that a fire in a near proximity, probably not have
an impact on that. If some of the infrastructure or
landscape right around the town in our, you know, playground,
if you will, were to burn up, then that would
have an impact directly on our ability to generate that,
or something, anything on the ski resort. Um, so I
think when we started talking about the wildfire mitigation efforts
to protect us from that, potential, that's where, you know,
Zorn adequately noted, it helped to who we are rating.
Yeah, and where's going subtle E on that is efforts
like white bark, another organization, it's actually help our potentially
help our credit rating down the road. It has other
impacts versus just safety itself. Now I just make. Any
other questions for Lauren? Um, where are we at with
the judgment. Payoff? And is that I'm assuming that's factored
in the director. You guys are representing that to the
credit folks. And that it's stable day down. And it's
on the books. You can plug the hires. What's that?
You can plug the higher upgrade. We got upgraded on
the judgment as well. Yeah. So the two rating increases
on that particular one. I think it's a, it's a
double A minus, um, so it's even higher. Um, and
absolutely. Yeah. We make the debt service payment on the
annual basis. There's no opportunity to pay anything down in
early. Um, there's a call that comes usually at 10
years. Uh, that, that debt itself will be satisfied. I
think in 35, 36, um, and so it's, you know,
10 years out, um, but doing well, it's saving us
130, 000 dollars a year from with the original was.
So really a good program and excellent effort that Dan
put together when he was telling manager here. That's all
500. And then hang off the CRC with Measure, like
the things, is that, does that help our debt ratings
we issue dead pay it off? Everything's good. We do
it again. That's, that's like a, like a school. It's
like getting your similar to your personal. Yeah. Yeah. You
demonstrating the ability to manage your debt, right? And as
Lauren mentioned, you know, our debt is very, very small,
frankly, in comparison to, uh, any municipality. And then when
you demonstrate active management of that, where you're paying it
off and then seeking to re - engage, like when
we talk to Marty, our bond consultant, he expects to
hear from us when this is paid off for looking
at other opportunities and where we can engage and leverage
the funds. Um, but yeah, measure R will pay off.
I think it's next year that the, uh, the CRC
debt pays off. No need to get into this now.
But if we, uh, what's going on with the bond
market, if you guys, we have any big capital family,
we want to start thinking about doing these two late
already. But, um. It's never too late to always be
looking for potential market opportunities for saving. So, you know,
that's, that is something that we should be working with
our financial advisor on an ongoing basis for just any
sort of market changes. I mean, the feds have been
pretty stable recently. You know, they're not down or, you
know, reducing the rates right now. But if we start
to see them dropping 25 basis, you know, that's when
it's time to reach out and say, are there any
opportunities that, uh, would produce something worth savings of actually
going through a refinery? So that's real scenes. It's going
in the other direction. It's not going to move on
to go. So it'll be good if you, when you
guys get updates on that, you can share with us
anyway. Sure. Okay. Any other questions. Any public comments on
this issue online or in the room credit. Rate. Thank
you for your presentation. Well, thank you for your questions.
Okay. Uh, so we are on to item nine consent
agenda. 9. 1 approve the minutes of the regular meeting
of August 5th, 2026 9. 2. Oh, I like your
screensaver there. That's not mine. That's Microsoft. Approve the resolution
authorizing the purchase and sale of real property located at
550 Monostreet unit C201 in the Meridian Court Condominium Complex
under the Town's Housing Now revolving loan fund program and
bridge program. 9. 3 wave the reading and adopt by
title only the ordinance amending section 2. 04. 040 of
the Town of Mammoth Lakes Municipal Code related to Town
Council Compensation 9. 4 update and request continuing approval for
Airport Emergency Contract Work. 9. 5 authorized a professional services
agreement with Lisa Weiss consulting ink for Mammoth Crossing Project
Management Support. 9. 6 approve agreement with Mammoth Lakes Recreation,
MLR to provide services related to management of Measure R
and U funding for Recreation Arts and Culture and Mobility.
9. 7 reject all bids received for the 2026 fencing
and railing project and rebid 9. 8. Except check register
7. 3026. In the amount of 598, 235 dollars and
63 cents register, uh, 8626 in the amount of 481,
995 dollars and 21 cents. Except check register 813 26
in the amount of 879, 405 dollars in 54 cents.
What anyone like to pull anything. Yes, I like to
pull item 9. 5, please. Okay. Brent, are you pulling
anything? No, not. Okay. Like motion to approve all the
9. 5 that was bolt. Would you like to second
that motion, John? Yes, I will. Second roll call, please.
Council member Wentworth? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Mayor
Rice. Yes. Okay. On to item 9. 5 authorize a
professional services agreement with Lisa Wise Consulting, Incorporated for Mammoth
Crossing Project Management Support. Thank you. Um, for this opportunity,
I just wanted to give staff an opportunity to, um,
share with us in the public rationale. The reason for
this contract and what, uh, what the scope is and
what you hope to accomplish with this. Sure. So this
specific agreement would be for project management support specifically dedicated
to the Mammoth Crossing Project, um, with larger projects, they
can, um, such as this or such as the main
lodge, we development project. They can, um, inundate a single
staff member where it and that staff member is pulled
and basically only working on that project. And that creates
a problem within our department being a fairly small department.
We don't have, um, staffing to commit someone fully to,
you know, a project that potentially could take a year
plus in the review process. Um, so in these cases,
we often do look to contract out. The nice thing
I'm working with Lisa Weiss Consulting is there one of
their key employees was a previous employee of the town.
So she's very familiar with the town. Um, she actually
worked on the Mammoth Crossing District Zoning Amendment. And so
it's very familiar opposite with the North Village plan. So
it's not bringing someone in that has to not only
get up to speed. It's someone who's already up to
speed and can jump right in and provide that, um,
level of support for the towns that we're not inundated.
They also have additional resources. Obviously they can pull on.
So additional staffers and others to assist with the work.
And this is, um, different some of the other type
projects like with the development agreement, things like that, where
we're paying for it, right? The developer's not paying for
this. Um, no, the developer is responsible just as any,
um, whether it's staff managing the process or contract planner
managing the process, they do, um. Compensate for that effort.
So it's the same as any entitlement application, their responsible
to pay for the services. Okay. So this, but it
sounds like it'd be a little bit of a blend.
Like there'll be helped me out here. Is it going
to be all to the, to the proponent or is
it going to be a mix? Some, yes, some no.
No, they're responsible for a hundred percent of cost time
of materials for processing their applications. Okay. And this is
directly related to the processing of the application. Correct. So
we were taking a deposit, not deposit would then be
used to fund any invoices we get, whether it be
from lease to ice consulting or attorneys who are assisting
or providing legal, um, advice on the project, all of
that is repaid by the applicant. And they, they obviously
know that this is happening. Correct. Okay. All right. Those
are my questions. I just like to accentuate a couple
of comments too as well. Um, so, you know, the
first and foremost is Nolan indicated this, this is capacity
for the town, right? But that's great. It helps us
with, um, highly professional services that they can provide. They
do this much more frequently than we do. Um, but
it also just is capacity. But the point I wanted
to make is that the hiring of this consultant, while
it is fully funded by the applicant in the process,
um, is in support of the town, right? It is
supporting our work, our efforts, both to be responsive to
them and to make sure everything is accurate and complete.
Um, and, and it's really for us, essentially. It's for
the public interest. Yeah. It's definitely in the public interest
that this is accomplished. So thanks for letting me make
that point. Yep. Sure. Those are all my questions. Okay.
Are there any public comments. No. Would you like to
make a motion? Uh, yes. Madam Mayor, I would move
that the town council authorized a professional services agreement with
Lisa Weissons, subject to the Town Attorney's approval and finalization
of the agreement for Mammoth Crossing Project Management Support. I
will second that. Roll call, please. Councilmember Wentworth? Yes. Mayor
Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Mayor Rice. Yes. Okay. Um, so
we are on to item 10 policy matters. Item 10.
1. Consider the option agreement with the Mammoth Unified School
District. MUSD for the MUSD parcel housing project. Um, and
Andy, are you still with us. Still awake? Andy? Oh,
we need a lawyer. He might be, I've been getting
the room service coming out and he's like, what time
is it in Alaska? Yes, I am. Um, I just,
I, I know I've double checked with you before, but
I am an MUSD employee. I don't be. What? What
did you say? You are an ignorance to implement me.
Uh, can you hear me? Yeah. I can hear you.
I'm an MUSD employee. I don't I believe I don't
have to recuse on this. You hear me? Yes. I
can hear you. Can you hear us? Andy, can you
hear us? I can hear you. Yes, you are. That's
right. You don't have a conflict because income is not
considered for purposes the conflict rules. Okay. Thank you. Thank
you. No conflict. I'll text Rob. Okay. Thank you, Andy.
Thanks. All right. Nolan. Great. Um, so yes, this item,
we had an item a few months ago to talk
about, um, at that point was a letter of intent
to enter into future agreements with M - E -
O - S. Um, so the purposes of those agreements
is to, uh. Complete a land exchange between MUSD and
the town. They have interest in acquiring land to build
workforce housing for, um, that includes teacher, support staff. And
others within the district. And the town has an interest
in securing, uh, the recreation facility that's currently, the pickleball
complex that's on MUSD LAN. Um, so through those efforts,
we come to at least agreement amongst, um, staff as
to that this is a, makes sense. We have land
at the parcel that they could build on and they
have the pickleball complex. So through further discussions and meeting
weekly with their development team, um, and then on our
side, it's been haze myself and Marcus and really trying
to identify and all come to an agreement on land
within the parcel for where they could build their housing
project. Um, further this agreement, we had a multi -
day design surette two weeks ago where HMC architects, um,
came here and participated. Really to identify land that worked
both for the school district and also then worked for
the towns desire to build additional, um, workforce and affordable
housing within the parcel development site. Um, so what we
landed on working with them is to, for them, for
the school district to acquire sites nine and 10 within
the parcel master plans. That's the area I kind of
highlighted in the red box on the screen. It's border
chaperelle road and tavern road. It's kind of adjacent to
phase one, the Sawyer and the park facility. And then
to the north, it's bordered by the open space, um,
kind of wetlands parcel that goes through the site. To
identifying this side is that it has clearly defined boundaries
with the edges of the site, the wetlands, and the
roads. And so it kind of, it creates an area
for them to focus and work on their project. And
then of key interest to the town is that it
preserves all the area that south of Chaparrel, more on
the interior of the site where we could then build
our future workforce housing projects. So working with HMC, the
town did what we call a space test on that
site, really just looking, can we fit say 130 rental
apartments on that site and 40 ownership units on that
site along with the roads parking and mops? And their
preliminary tests, which is shown on the screen and the
lower boxes, indicated it can fit. There's obviously it's not
a final design for the town. But it gave us
the confidence to then kind of give at least at
a staff level a thumbs up to MUSD for sites
9 and 10. So on the screen there, what the
architects drew and mocked up for the school and the
preliminary site plan. Is in the area closest to tavern
road. This shows up or not, yep. With a pointer
in this area here, that would be the phase one
of the school project, which would be 24 units. These
would all be rental units. The school does not have
a desire to build ownership units because they want to
maintain control of the units and ensure that they are
remain available for their workforce. Also within the site, then
it would provide some additional land. I could be for
a future phases of development. They leased space planned it
where they could fit approximately 35 units and that remainder
of the site. Not that they're going to build 35
additional units, but they just wanted to keep their flexibility
open and have that option. Should they find more funding.
For the initial phase, the funding is in place through
the Measure J. That was the school bond the past
few years ago. That bond was intended to develop the
TK building. Recreate or kind of field house facility on
the school and then workforce housing. So this obviously is
directly related to the workforce housing component. They are working
through the agreements and other items to hopefully break ground
this coming spring. Should we approve all the different agreements
necessary for it. So this site is an approximately two
and a half acre site that we would be looking
to transfer to the district. The item tonight related to
the option agreement is necessary for the school to enter
into enter into a contract pre - construction services. And
then what's called a lease back at least back agreement
with that contractor, which is the way they'll be developing
the site has some uniqueness under the education code for
how they have to enter into that agreement. But this
is the kind of initial step for that. So before
I go to the pickleball complexes, is there any questions
on the parcel housing site? Just one for just clarify
when we talk about trade - off, but when they
do the building, they would be paying a hundred percent
of their construction cost for that parcel. That's correct. So,
uh, no town funding would go into this project. The
only real contribution from the town would be us exchanging
the land. And you might have answered this already. Sorry
if you did. What is the black arrow and the
black line for on the map. So this was, um,
all drawn up during, during the design Shirazo didn't get
fully refined. The black line is the current boundary of
lot nine and 10. Beyond that, is the open space
site. So they were looking, if the option to do
a lot line adjustment where they would own part of
that open space area, but not for development, but more
to, um, provide for setbacks with, with future buildings. Okay.
And then, um. These potentially 60 units, uh, affects our
ability to. Like, does it change the AMI levels that
we can build out in the future or like how
like the, the. The zoning of the land. Does it
have to be zoned to certain, you know, like with
the AMI levels and things like that. Like does that
come into play with how the whole parcel is zoned?
Sure. So the parcel mask plan allows for, I want
to say it's 550 units in the master plan. Within
that, um, 120 percent up to 200 percent
units in those higher AMI categories. And so it would
fall into that, that 120, I think it's about 80,
what's it, it's 80? 82 and a half. 82, yeah.
Units, um, and so should they build out all 60
that would then leave 22 that we could build on
those higher AMIs. But it's within that 82 number, not,
it doesn't change the overall number or reduced. Our kind
of site planning that we've done puts us right around
480 or so units could fit on the parcel. We
don't believe that we could actually get to 550 just
with all the other requirements that go into place. And
so it doesn't, um, put us up against that number
by any means. Okay. Thank you. Questions? Um, yeah, following
up on your question, are there AMI restrictions on the
stuff that they're going to build? Sure. So our proposal
with them was that we have to have an affordable
housing covenant because that's part of the personal master plan.
They are one of the greatest flexibility with kind of
where their staffing's at. And so our proposal. Kind of
anything above 120 as long as we spoil out 200
doesn't really, you don't get credit from HTD for providing
150 percent units or 180. So our suggestion to them
would, our restriction would be a 200 percent AMI. Just
they had the greatest flexibility in how they're managing the
units and working with their workforce. Okay. But then following
up on your question, that's not going to affect, if
they build everything out at 200, that's not going to
affect our ability to make decisions and choices for the
land that remains out there. Um, I don't believe so.
Our goal for the rental project would be that those
would be at de - restricted 120 percent So that's
the 130 units there. And then any ownership ones as
well. You know, we imagine a portion would be deed
restricted around 150. If I have a portion of B
restricted around 120, we don't have a, at least an
R analysis that anything really above 150 makes sense for
restriction. Just because you're starting to inch towards market where
you could afford market rate. So, but it is going
to factor in. If they build everything at 200, it
does factor into, into what we can do. Of that
82, yes. Okay. Um, are there any other, you mentioned
some, you know, Department of Education or regulations that they
have to deal with when they do this. Can you
talk a little bit about what kinds of, um, obligations,
legal obligations they have coming over, given that school that
it's a school project? Chair, I'd look to Andy. He's
obviously a little more versed in legal matters. And he's
in Alaska. I know. Internet's working. But the mayor, well,
if you can hear me, I have thoughts. So the
school district attorneys have told us that the provisions of
the education code, um, I've looked them just a little
bit. They are unique to school districts. They have no
comparison to what we have to do. And we've been
told that they have to do, uh, two step process
because they have to get, um, what you might call
length when you're. They have to lock up the right
to fire the land. And that's why we're doing it
this way. But it has no, it has no bearing,
no similarity, anything that the town does. Um, anything in
the education code is going to be a little formed
to us. And this certainly is that. But it's, it's
their thing. It's not going to affect us. It's their
problem. Okay. And who, so pickleball, the end of the
world in pickleball is still there, right? I would also
add on this site before we go on that, um,
that, um, our goal of providing workforce housing is achieved
by this. It's just somebody else building the workforce housing
here. So it's still achieving the goal of the parcel
completely. It's just not the town doing it. Yeah, it's
good. Um, see onto the pickleball complex. So obviously the
town currently has developed that site previously with an ice
rink. Now turn six pickleball courts as well as parking
on that site. So the minimum area that the town
would be looking to acquire would be the two and
a half acre that's outlined in the blue. So this
would secure the access into that upper or that, I
guess, more lower parking lot geographically. Parking lot, the pickleball
courts and then the land between the pickleball courts out
to Meridian Boulevard looking when you walk the site. The
intent for that land between the pickleball and Meridian is
its relatively flat. And so it could provide option for
additional expansion of what we would call the racket complex,
meaning we could potentially add additional pickball courts in that
area should the demand or additional or build tennis courts
in that area. The area in red there would be,
um, approximately the size of two tennis courts, um, with
all the additional space around the courts. And it's, I
think they need 60 by 120 feet. And so we've
kind of mapped out that, that could, you know, in
the future should there be a desire there. There's not
obviously an immediate plan to build more there. We did
look at what it could look like. In this area.
That area does get very steep. So it has some,
some topographic challenges. There may be some desire from the
district though that they don't have a need for this
land. Here. And so that's really the option to grow
to six acres. So ongoing discussions there, whether there is
interest from the town to acquire that. We don't have
a useful it necessarily, but if there's desire from the
school, then it may be beneficial. But at minimum, it
would be acquiring that the pickleball courts, the parking and
that, that land. But if we were to acquire that,
all the, uh, the mandates from an education perspective that
they don't apply. Like in this land exchange, this is
our land free and clear. There's no mandates, no legal
things that are attached to the land. What's the exchange
is complete. Correct. So it would be town owned and
then become a town - owned recreation facility. And we're
just clear of all the school district and all that
stuff. Correct. Okay. Yes. That's right. And just to clarify
on that one. So what's the zoning on that right
now. Uh, public and quasi public. Yeah. State public, quasi
public, even with, it just, it's only stage. It's just
land would change ownership. Correct new boundary would get drawn
carving out the town parcel from the MUSD parcel. And
so, Nolan, what's the little box left there that looks
like a that was, um, uh, a graphic design air.
That was me trying to overlay me trying to overlay
a tennis court rather than just a red box onto
the graphic. I was like, that's going to be a
weird piece of property to own right there in the
corner. Yeah. That's what happens when you try to do
graphic design and PowerPoint. Canva. Are you ready for questions?
Um, the last one, just a few of the bullet
points, what is called the option agreements. This is the
agreement that's actually necessary for at least the school district
to move forward with, um, their pre - construction services
because it gives them the exclusive option to acquire the
housing site. So that's what they need to move that
forward. Um, prior to the actual exchange of the property.
So to give them exclusive option to acquire it, it
would require them then to convey the pickleball complex to
the town and the same transaction. Uh, we put a
deadline of completing this by August of 2027. Um, the
exchange agreement is what would follow the option agreement. So
that would actually establish the terms of the transfer, include
the exact legal descriptions for both sites. Again, we talked
about the requirement for the Affordable Housing Covenant. That's a
requirement of the parcel master plan. And then the last
two bullet points are ones we added, um, one that
we would have the option to purchase back any undeveloped
land in the option agreement we put. If it remains
undeveloped after 10 years from the exchange, um, we'll see
the school district comes back with requesting a different, different
timeline. But we thought 10 years was reasonable for them
to build the initial phase and then figure out if
there is a kneed or a desire to build any
subsequent phases on that, that land. Then the last one
is that the town would have the first rider refusal
to purchase any developed housing or undeveloped land should MUSD
ever choose to sell. So should they say they build
a housing and then feel they don't want to be
in the housing market. The town would have the first
option of refusal on that. And that's not setting like
a deed restricted sale price. That's just the first option
to purchase. Yeah. And Andy, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think that the language there is, um, reasonable
market value. Okay. He's not going to correct you. Okay.
Um, are you ready for questions now? Yes. Any questions?
I asked my questions. Oh, I'm good. Thank you. Just
one more question. So we made some adjustments with our
developer that has done existing development over there. There are
certain things that DA that gave them certain opportunities there.
And we all good with this in terms of with
that agreement and doing this. There's no conflict or do
we need to adjust that agreement. So we have an
option agreement with Pacific, um, to exit the DDA. That
gives the town the unilateral option to, um, to exit
that. And so we prior to executing any agreements, we
will have to act on that agreement. Um, we were,
um, intentionally wait until we were under construction on, on
Kingfisher 2 and some of those other items were in
place that it didn't, you know, unintentionally impact any of
those agreements or those funding or other items. So we're
now in a position to act on that option agreement.
Okay. But that would happen immediately. That would happen the
next stage. Correct. Okay. Okay. Are there any public comments
from anyone in the room or online. No. Okay. I
would entertain a motion. Or let's shall we discuss further.
I'm very supportive of this. Okay. I would entertain them.
I will make a motion. Um, I moved to authorize
the town manager to sign the option agreement with MUSD
for the MUSD parcel housing project. And containing the deal
points identified in the staff report subject to the town
attorney's approval and finalization of the agreement. I was second.
Roll cop, please, Jamie. Councilmember Wentworth? Yes. Mayor Pro Tim
Truax. Yes. Mayor Rice. Yes. Okay. And we are moving
on to item 10. 2 approve and adopt resolutions modifying
the compensation plan and reclassification of specified full - time
permanent management employees association MEA and Executive Positions and Salary
Schedules. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so the item before
you tonight is, it's something that we don't do very
frequently. It is not a part of any negotiation strategy
or any consultation with, um, our associations. This is more
fulfilling the requirement of the Town Manager to produce what's
called both a classification plan and a compensation plan. Um,
which outlines the structure and staff levels that the town
puts forth and, you know, performing our functions, uh, the
classification plan, uh, in part reads the town manager shall
prepare classification PAN, which sets forth all the classes of
positions in the town service. Classification plan shall be so
developed and maintained that all positions substantially similar with respect
to duties, responsibilities, authorities and character of work are concluded
within the same class and that the same class schedules
of compensation may be made to apply with equity under
working conditions for all employees. The compensation plan is also,
um, will provide salary schedules salary rates salary ranges and
steps. Each class in the classification plan shall be assigned
to salary range or rate established in the compensation plan.
All persons employed by the town shall be compensated in
accordance with this plan. So I'm required as a town
manager to provide modifications to these plans from time to
time. We have meaning we, the Executive team have been
reviewing required modifications and discussed sort of a structure by
which we could pull something together that makes a lot
of sense with regard to shared responsibility or similar responsibility
for each of the staff level. Things happen across time
when you think about a compensation plan. You're adding positions.
You're sometimes sunsetting positions, things are changing. Um, and so
you, you have to, you put them in place with
regard to where they were at the time. Um, what
made the most sense. But you never step back and
take a holistic look at that and do, do all
the positions, uh, make sense with where they're located and
the level of compensation they receive. Typically when you think
of, um, our general employees, our public work employees, the
hourly staff, those all connect directly with a lot of
changes that happen statewide with regard to, um, the part
- time employment minimum wage activities and all those things
that sort of adjust that. And in the last several
years, the town has made modifications to our general employees
and public works employees. But we did not make those
same or similar changes all the way up through management
level and executive level employees. The difference between those different
employee classifications are very significant in the fact that management
level and executive level are salaried. So they're not able
to earn any over time for the work that they
perform. And, uh, and therefore that, you know, the salary
structure, if you will, sort of encompasses all the activity
that they could incur, um, just basically work to get
the job done instead of working on an hourly basis.
Um, some of the things that, uh, we, we did
in this effort is reduced the number of, of potential,
uh, classifications for wage in the MEA category. We had
in the original from an M102 all the way up
through an M113 as an optional pay structure. In this
recommendations that we're making tonight, we condense that down to
five different areas or categories or groupings, if you will,
of employees. Um, the first one being M 201s, it's
entry level management employee may or may not have supervisor
responsibility of limited term employees typically does not have supervisor
responsibility for full - time employees. Um, so that just
sort of defines their level of responsibility. And 202, this
category, um, it's usually a higher level of responsibility with
newer developing areas within our organization. We thought this was
a new category. We should add, um, because we are
making modifications to how we have, uh, employees in this
particular category. They may or may not have a supervisor
responsibilities, but they can be, uh, charged with significantly complex
functions within the organization. And a lot of times their
developmental. So meaning there's no roadmap for how those are
performed. They're working through, um, that process. M203, this category
is high volume supervision of many employees. Large scale operations
with the organizations, but they typically coordinate closely with other
management or executive level staff. Um, so they have a
lot of people they're responsible for, um, but they do
get support in that effort. Uh, M204, this category typically
responsible for the entire department and will receive support from
higher management. But, um, they have requirements for increasing levels
of education within this category and perform the role for
the organization. And then finally M205, that's the highest level
in the management employee association. They require the highest level
of education, responsibility, and often our responsible for an entire
division. And they can be considered at a direct deputy
director level within our organization. So that's how we comprised
the management level staff, uh, within this particular compensation agreement.
The MEA classifications at M201 through M205, I just described,
have a range of 30 percent from the very bottom
of the range to the top. And that range size
of that range is determined by how much growth is
expected from someone starting new any leadership role until they're
a seasoned leadership aspect. You, you are going to have
steps that you go across time. Were you gaining experience,
um, you are able to earn additional wage based on
that experience because your contribution to the to the organization
climbs with that. In this particular modifications that we're suggesting
tonight, uh, there are some changes that will be immediate
for a few employees if they are not at the
lowest or minimum level that was set for that range.
There'll be a bump to get them to that minimum
level. And there are a couple of people that are
affected by, uh, that change in this process. So there'll
be some immediate changes to wage base based upon these,
uh, these new salary ranges, but only in the MEA
category. I took this a little bit further and sort
of tied the executive employee classifications in a similar fashion
to what was described in the MEA classifications. And tied
them to levels of responsibility, but also an increment above,
um, the highest level of management. For example, in our
executive levels, there is a manager level. Um, this position
is, he's on the Executive team similar responsibilities and education
required for the highest levels of MEA, but an at
will, um, situation, which means they are, they're not represented
by an employee association. They can be terminated at any
time with or without cause. Uh, and they basically are
involved in leadership level discussions. And often have responsibilities that
cross all departments within the organization. And all of those,
uh, positions report directly to the town manager. That particular
classification. The next classification item is director one. That's position
is a responsibility for an entire division, uh, within the
organization. They're expected to lead that division without direct supervision.
They don't, they all report to the town manager, but
they really are autonomous in their function. And, uh, basically
our responsible for not only the operation of that, that
division, but the coordination between other divisions within the organization.
So, but they are, they're responsible for one, um, department,
if you will. Director level two, Zapposition is the same
responsibility as director one. However, they have multiple divisions of
responsibility within the organization. So there's a little bit more
to that. And there's like a seven and a half
percent paper as a whole. The additions of multiple departments.
And then finally the Town Manager, so as the town
manager level, the highest level employee within the organization and
responsible for literally all aspects of the organization and the
delivery of the core services to the community. Um, and
then that has a classification. That is a certain percentage
higher. than the director two level. In all classifications in
the executive range, it's a range from top to bottom
of 25 percent of the fact that the, um, employees
that are in the executive status, typically don't require, um,
additional. They don't gain a lot of experience over time.
They come with that experience. It's what that got them
into that role. But there are things that they learned
about their particular job across time. And there is an
opportunity to grow that. Um, there are no steps in
these salary ranges, but there's an opportunity to earn a
merit increase in an annual basis. So, um, while there
are no modifications to salary specific to the Executive team
based on this in all considerations, the salary has increased
in each of these ranges. Um, so across time, the
financial considerations are that this will have a higher cost
to the organization, um, but it's a way of structuring
the sort of management to leadership team in a way
that makes sense based upon responsibilities. Um, so I wanted
to kind of emphasize that point that, you know, it
does have financial implications in the long run as people
will gain more experience and they're merit increases will get
them into the upper echelons, but it's not a significant
modification to, um, what we had. It's just wanting to
draw that point to everyone's attention. Uh, happy to answer
any questions before you, there are two resolutions that talk
about the, um, the actual language around the requirement to
make these, um, modifications. And the way that they're outlined
with regard to responsibility, but they also have, um, the
salary schedule specific to positions located in there. And you
can clearly see the groupings for that. And that is
in both the MEA section and in the executive section.
There are two separate resolutions, two separate salary schedules. So
happy to answer any questions. Questions. John. I don't have
any questions. It sounds like Rob's taking care of the
house. You know, questions I had Rob already answered when
I met with him. So I'm good. Okay. Is there
any public comment from anyone in the room. Or online.
No. Okay. Are you all ready to make a motion?
If you're an entertain emotion. I will move to approve
the resolution. If this car, make sure it says two
resolution. It's supposed to exhibit A and B covers it.
But approve the resolution modify and the compensation plan and
reclassification specified MEA and Executive Positions as well as accompanying
salary schedules as outlined in Exhibit A and Exhibit B.
Does that cover for both of them? Yes. I'll second
the motion. Council member Wentworth. Really answering emails there, John.
Sorry. Uh, yes. Mayor Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Air rice.
Yes. All right. Thank you Rob. We are on to
Council Member Reports. Brent, would you like to go first?
Sure. Going to go back up here. Had an LTC
meeting. There will be a hydrogen bus that's here on
the 27th and 28th. I believe it's 28th has taken
from trip from, uh, Math Mountain down to Reds Meadow
will be available if you want to ride the hydrogen
bus down. So is that a demonstration? Demonstrate of August.
Demonstration as we're exploring the possibility of hydrogen down the
road if it makes any feasibility for public transportation usage.
Interesting. So a lot of things to work out there
with everything else in the world. Like for instance, fuel
for hydrogen is like 200 miles away is the closest
possible fuel. And when you're a range of 300 miles,
that makes it a little tough to fuel up. So,
but it, uh, has some interesting prospects there. We also
at the LTC good discussion about unmetrantation needs and trying
to make sure people have the availability not only within
town, within the county to have transmission they need to
get to and from, very aspects of their lives. Um,
interesting that session two was that this is old data
now, but there's already 11, 000 people that had taken
the shuttle two reds meadow even on the limited shuttle
schedule that we have right now. So it's been very
popular. It's increased transportation. Um, attend the wine walk. I
thought it was a great job done by everybody. It's
there. Um, I went to King Lear and, um, David
did an excellent job as King Lear. And it's over
now, but it should, uh, exemplify what we can do
in this community to do, uh, with the right resources.
And maybe we can do it even more. Great. That's
all I got. Thank you. John? Uh, yeah. So, um,
August 7th, I attended a meeting of the something called
the ICARP tech. This is that climate group that I
serve on is in the governments, the governor's Office of
Land use and climate innovation. Really, you know, the high
value of these meetings is the presentations we get. From
outside parties outside groups. And we had a really interesting,
uh, presentation from, uh, the Department of Conservation, which is
getting an enormous amount of prop for money. Uh, that's
separate from like what SNC and other state agencies are
getting. And there may be opportunities for us to access
some of that. Especially one of the wildfire work that
we're doing. Um, because that is a climate resilience play.
And their baby way to get funds from that for
our recreation assets. It's just tied into the work we're
doing with the, uh, with the ESTCRP. So that was
interesting. Interesting discussion about climate resilience districts. There's something in
the state of California. You can establish a climate resilient
district. Um, it doesn't come with anything other than the
local jurisdiction has got to come up with the money
come up with everything else. But you can have a
climate district. So that was kind of interesting. But also
very interesting presentation from the North Coast Resource Partnership, which
if you're familiar with that is a sort of the
gold standard for regional, uh, collaboratives and partnerships from the
North Coast. So that was very interesting. Um, then today
I had the privilege of attending the Mammoth Exterism Board
meeting. Um, some pretty interesting updates today. Uh, first on
global tourism. MLT is making a decision to cut back
significantly the presence in global markets. A lot of it
has to do with the perception of the United States
around the world and our global market. So they're going
to be cutting resources back there and focusing on domestic
visitation. So that was pretty interesting. Um, I also, I
was out of town last week. I was back East
on some family stuff. Um, I had a chance to
start reviewing the destination to draft destination management plan. Rob
and I checked in on that today. A lot of
interesting ideas in there, but it's going to take some
work to get something that I think we can work
with. So we're going to Rob and I'll be working
on that. And again, the team they have over there,
just incredibly, it's incredibly rich asset that I know we're
working on how we can leverage those capacity. This technological
capacities that they have, there's really interesting. On the air
service update, it sounds like the city of Bishop might
be wanting to get into the game, uh, after a
lot of resistance and a lot of kind of whatevers,
but we're seeing regional partners trying to come to the
table with this, which is really exciting. And this has
to do, I think, with the idea and the opportunity
for year - round air service, which the MLT folks
have advised their very, very close, uh, to getting the
funding in place to be able to do that. Which
city of Bishop and Yo Canon would be huge beneficiaries
of that. So that's going to be very interesting thing
going forward. Um, and I don't know if it's been
mentioned this evening, but, uh, we set, we, all of
us at a TOT record, uh, for 25, 26. Best
year ever. So thanks to Mammoth Exterism. Thanks to the
town for all that. Um, but it brings me back
a little bit. And Rob and I talked about this
that nice discussion. We had over there in the basement
of the brewery. You take a very kind of ambitious
destination management plan. We're doing well financially. Where are we
going? And I think it would be great to have
that whenever Rob is ready to bring that back a
little bit. So we as a council, when we're having
these discussions with the desk station management plan, what are
the council's goals around things like climate, some of the
things we've talked about. It's going to be important to
have those things to help deframe what frame that thing
up, uh, for its final deliverable for something that we
can work with. But interesting meeting. That's it. So thank
you. Great. And I feel like we have to add
thank you to our community for welcoming all those visitors.
And having the best TOT here on record, right? Like,
yeah, and I said, it's all of us. It's all
business. Yes. The whole world is a team. The whole
thing is working really well. Um, okay. So, um, Stu
told you about the parks and recreation master plan survey.
Yes. I found the link. Okay. Um, we have that
going on. Uh, I attended the county in town liaison
committee meeting. And we did discuss mobile home. Um, just
kind of, kind of the environment and what's happening at
the county level versus the town. Um, and then I
also attended August 13th this year, summer nights, which was
a little chilly for August, but it was, I had
a great time and I would love to see more
next summer. I don't know if it would be feasible
or not, but I think that it's, um, wonderful night
for our community. There's, it's lovely to see so many
local families and just local community members just out there
enjoying themselves. Um, and then my kids also got to
attend their, the skateboarding camp and they had a fabulous
time. And well, they're scraped knees have still not healed,
but they loved it and, um, thank you to our
staff for doing such a great job with our summer
camps. Um, yeah, so that's all I have to report.
Um, so we will move on to item 12, request
for future agenda items. I do not. John, do you
have any requests. Uh, bunch of ideas, but no. I
think no requests other than Haze is going to bring
in something back, right? Coming out of this, anything else,
Rob that you heard that's coming back. But we have
those on you. Agenda. So these would, this request is
just, what are we not know that you guys want?
Well, I would start, I would say I would love
to discuss inclusionary housing and diff fees. Yeah. For sure.
Is there anything else that you'd like to record? No,
that's, that's a, that's a sort of a hot ticket
at this point. Okay. Yeah. All right. Uh, we are
ready to adjourn. So the town Council will adjourn to
a regular meeting being held on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2026
at 4 p. m. We hope to fill all the
seats. For coming. Have a good night. Have a good
night. Thank you very much.