[2:55] Deep leaf Town, brother? I haven't seen him a long
[2:59] time.
[3:57] It's four o'clock. Let's start our meeting. Roll call, please,
[4:01] Jamie. Council Member Saluser is absent, Councilmember Wentworth. Here. Mayor
[4:06] Pro Tem Truax? Here. Mayor Rice. Here, all right. And
[4:10] John Stewart is going to lead us in the Pledge
[4:12] of Allegiance tonight. And to the Republic, for which
[4:22] it stands, one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and
[4:28] justice crowd. Thank you. Okay, it's time for public comment.
[4:35] If any member of the public has a comment for
[4:39] anything that's not on the agenda, please come up to
[4:41] the podium, or if you're online, please raise your hand
[4:44] and Zoom, and we'll get to you. Welcome. Aramanna and
[4:51] City Council members, and I notified clerk before. My name
[4:57] is Philip Batonkhart. We are longtime seasonal. Visitors this year
[5:02] in Snow Creek 5. From our home in La Quinta,
[5:08] where it is 105 degrees right now. I wanted to
[5:12] extend the remarks that I also presented to the tourist
[5:16] board earlier today and put in two salutes. One to
[5:22] the limelight, where we had the privilege of staying for
[5:26] three days to prepare ourselves for the wine walk, if
[5:31] you will. It's an extraordinary property. We also had an
[5:35] opportunity to tour this ski club. And of course, the
[5:40] few remaining luxury homes, if you will, I think maybe
[5:45] the food service is still a work in progress, but
[5:48] the buffet breakfast is extraordinary. We enjoyed every minute of
[5:52] it. Secondly, for the wine walk, we want to salute.
[5:59] Tom, thistle, and the volunteers and their team in the
[6:03] small world department, Tom's father and I are actually officemates
[6:09] in Newport Beach. And we were thrilled to hear that
[6:14] he has come to Mammoth Lakes. He and his wife.
[6:18] They are great community assets. We thought the wine walk
[6:23] was absolutely the best management of volunteers. The participation was
[6:29] just extraordinary. And I think you are very fortunate to
[6:34] have them as distinguished representatives of the Mammoth Mountain Community
[6:39] Foundation, and we want to salute everyone who participated Saturday.
[6:45] And who knew that shots bakery had a wine of
[6:48] their own with grapes in Bishop? Of course, we had
[6:52] device of at the end of the day. Thank you,
[6:54] Madam Mayor. Thank you so much. And I'm glad to
[6:57] see that Tom Bissell's walking well again. All right. Any
[7:03] other public comments from anyone in the room? Hi Kevin,
[7:07] how are you doing? Hi, good evening, Mayor, members of
[7:11] the Council. I'm Kevin Leanne with Mona County Office of
[7:15] Education. And I'm here today to extend an invitation to
[7:21] our Mammoth Husky's Mural Celebration. It's taking place next Tuesday
[7:26] at Mammoth High School at 5 p. m. This was
[7:30] a collaboration led by Mona County Office of Education in
[7:35] partnership with the school district. We're here to celebrate the
[7:38] new mural. I'm sure you all have seen it. I'll
[7:41] leave some copies down here for you in the public.
[7:46] Thank you so much. I saw it's beautiful and I
[7:49] think it's going to stay on there really well because
[7:51] it's in the shade. It's great. Awesome. Yeah. And we've
[7:53] also got the Mammoth High Schools Culinary Arts Program serving
[7:58] the refreshments as well as some music from the music
[8:02] program, from our student musicians. So it should be a
[8:06] lot of fun. Wonderful. Thank you so much. Okay, thank
[8:09] you. Hi, Brianna. Hello. Good afternoon, Council. Brionic Waco, Mammoth
[8:17] Lakes Chamber of Commerce. Just wanted to highlight a few
[8:20] things coming up in the business. And outside of the
[8:23] business world, we'll be doing a ribbon cutting for new
[8:26] business grooms by Axel. It's a mobile dog grooming business
[8:30] on national dog day. Uh, which is Wednesday 20, sorry,
[8:34] Wednesday, August 26th. We'll be over at the dog park
[8:36] from four to five if you're able to join us.
[8:38] Always great to see Council and Community members there, um,
[8:42] to celebrate a new business in town. So bring your
[8:44] four - legged friends and come join us. Um, next
[8:49] item Community Coffee this month will be on Thursday, August
[8:53] 27th. As always, 8. 30, 9. 30 on Zoom, and,
[8:57] uh, this month's topic will be featured on, um, wildfires
[9:02] and all of the different mitigation efforts that we've been
[9:04] seeing go on around town. So obviously the lot of
[9:06] activity out there. So it'll be nice to have an
[9:08] update from white Bark Institute, uh, Mammoth Lakes fire protection
[9:11] district in Cal Fire. So join us for that Thursday,
[9:14] August 27th, 8 30 on Zoom and our coffee shop
[9:17] this month is Looney Bean. Um, speaking of the culinary
[9:22] program at the high school, they're doing really great things
[9:24] over there with Stacey Schlekto leading the students there. Uh,
[9:28] we're going to be doing a restaurant association mixer on
[9:31] Wednesday, September 9th over at the school. So, um, our
[9:35] local restaurant tourists can see what's going on locally to
[9:38] prepare youth hopefully for careers in food and beverage. So,
[9:42] uh, we'll have that on Wednesday, September 9th, 3. 30
[9:45] to 5, uh, over at the high school. Um, and
[9:50] then. Sorry, um, and then we will be hosting a
[9:54] candidate forum. Um, on September 29th. So I've been in
[9:57] touch with all eight. I think that's correct. Eight candidates
[10:01] that are writing for the three seats, um, for Town
[10:04] Council. And so we're going to be hosting a forum.
[10:08] It won't just be us asking questions of the candidates
[10:10] the whole time as we've done in the past. And
[10:12] I know you've, you've participated in those fun sessions. Um,
[10:16] what also has some time for the participants to just
[10:18] get some FaceTime, some round table with the different candidates,
[10:22] just a little less formal, um, more casual setting for
[10:25] people just to get to know who is running for
[10:27] council. Uh, so that'll be at burgers Tuesday, September 29th,
[10:32] noon to 1 30 p. m. Anyone from the community
[10:35] is welcome to join us. Um, this is part of
[10:37] our new at the table lunch series that we're doing
[10:40] and really just trying to facilitate more conversation amongst the
[10:44] community. Uh, and then lastly our, um, nominations are open
[10:49] for our 10th annual business excellence wards. So that'll be
[10:52] open through the end of the month. So anyone in
[10:54] the community can nominate any business, any person, um, that
[10:57] they feel has gone above and beyond, um, in our
[11:01] eight various categories. You can just go to our website,
[11:04] uh, mammothlakeschamber. org for that. And we would love to
[11:07] hear from lots of different parts of our community on
[11:10] that. And, uh, last thing I don't know if I
[11:13] mentioned here, but the business guide is final. Um, so
[11:17] we're working on getting that up on our website and
[11:19] we've already started talking to, uh, some different perspective businesses,
[11:23] current businesses expanding businesses about the business guide and really
[11:26] hope that can serve as a resource, uh, for them
[11:28] for both, um, the chamber, town and the county to
[11:31] use. Thank you so much. Thank you.
[11:43] Uh, good evening. Madam Mayor Council, Tom Hodges. I'm here
[11:46] before you deceive need in my role as the president
[11:49] of the board of Eastern Sierra Committee Housing. And it's
[11:53] my sincere pleasure this evening to introduce you to our
[11:55] new Executive Director, John Stewart, who all let step up
[11:58] to the Bodium here in a minute. But, um, I
[12:00] just want to acknowledge our, you know, recent actions of
[12:04] Eastern Circuit Community Housing that, you know, we, as you
[12:07] guys are all well aware, are longtime Executive Director stepped
[12:10] away to accept a position with Montal County Patricia Robertson
[12:13] after 13 years of service. The organization. And we wish
[12:16] we're very well in her new role there with Moto
[12:18] County. That was back in March. And we, uh, in
[12:23] the process of recruiting a new Executive Director, we hired
[12:26] an interim executive director that I think some of you
[12:29] may have met. I know staff interacted with Dean Toppman,
[12:31] who was a really well qualified individual with a lot
[12:33] of background and workforce affordable housing. And it was fantastic
[12:37] to have him sort of fill the gap. And assist
[12:40] us with recruiting a new Executive Director. And I just
[12:44] wanted to mention that we did go through a pretty
[12:45] extensive process. We had the position advertised and solicited and
[12:52] received about over 200 applications. Near the field down and
[12:56] went through other interview processes and settled on John. So,
[13:01] um, and I just mentioned, you know, some of the
[13:04] reasons we selected John for the role is really, you
[13:07] know, really exemplary past work history as a leader of
[13:12] other nonprofit organizations. And specifically John worked for two fairly
[13:17] large, fairly guaranteed nonprofit healthcare organizations, both in Virginia and
[13:23] in Kansas, uh, were organizations that had, you know, in
[13:27] excess of 100 employees and budgets and excess of 10
[13:30] million dollars involved a lot of interaction with federal agencies
[13:33] and funding and so forth and the communities that they
[13:35] were serving. And that really stuck out to us is
[13:38] something that we were looking for in the role of
[13:41] our new leader for our organization. It's just somebody with
[13:43] that real solid leadership experience. Um, John also, and I
[13:48] don't want to steal all of us thunder, but he's
[13:49] got, uh, personal connections here in Mammoth specifically with his
[13:55] family. And I'll let him mention that maybe to you
[13:58] guys. And then I also wanted to mention just of
[14:00] interest. John probably wouldn't tell you this. But he's a
[14:04] University of Kansas graduate. Actually as a graduate degree in
[14:09] architecture, which also we thought was very appealing to us
[14:14] in our organization, you know, as we do some development
[14:16] work. And then also of note, he was a Division
[14:19] I college football player for university of Kansas. And defensive
[14:22] end? Defensive end. So yeah, so I always know to
[14:26] keep my conversations level with John. So with that, I'll
[14:30] let John introduce myself here. Thank you, Tom. Thanks Tom.
[14:38] Mayor Council members. Good evening. Good afternoon. Good evening. I
[14:42] appreciate the opportunity to introduce myself. Um, and more importantly,
[14:46] to begin working with you all, uh, whether in this
[14:50] official capacity or elsewhere in the community, as Tom said,
[14:53] my name is John Stewart. I just joined Eastern Sierra
[14:56] Community Housing as the Executive Director. And this is particularly
[15:00] meaningful for me. I've spent a lot of my career
[15:03] in mission driven organizations. And my connection to the Eastern
[15:08] Sierra's personal is Tom said. My three adult kids are
[15:11] settling here and sitting down roots. And I've spent enough
[15:14] time here in this community to know that Mammoth is
[15:17] a remarkable place. As I know you all know, um,
[15:20] and that it's also incredibly challenging to build a life
[15:23] here. Um, housing is obviously at the center of that.
[15:27] And housing isn't simply about putting a roof over someone's
[15:30] head. I believe it's, uh, matter, a measure of our
[15:33] success will be whether the teacher, the restaurant worker, the
[15:37] young family and people who keep this community running can
[15:42] actually imagine a future here. I still very much, uh,
[15:46] am in listening mode. I'm getting to know our staff,
[15:50] our board. I'm understanding our properties still, uh, our programs.
[15:54] And I'm digging into our operations. But, uh, and I'm
[15:57] beginning conversations with community partners. But one thing's already really
[16:01] clear to me. There's no single entity that's going to
[16:03] solve this alone. This is going to be collaborative. I've
[16:08] also learned over many years of leading community organization that
[16:12] partnership has to be earned. And I feel strongly that
[16:14] you earn it by doing what you said you do
[16:16] by bringing bad news early. And by bringing solutions when
[16:21] you bring problems. And that's the kind of partner I
[16:24] want ESCH to become. At the same time, I like
[16:28] all of us to think ambitiously about what ESCH can
[16:31] become and what role we should be playing and helping
[16:34] the people of this community, not just find housing, but
[16:37] put down roots. I know the composition of this council
[16:41] would be changing over the next several months, which makes
[16:43] this especially important time for me to listen, for me
[16:48] to learn from those who've been doing this work for
[16:50] a while. Um, and I hope you'll give me the
[16:52] opportunity to sit down individually with each of you and
[16:55] to understand what you've learned. And help me understand what
[16:59] I need to know to make ESCH more successful. And
[17:02] ultimately to make this a better community. So I think
[17:06] our success, as I said, will be measured by how
[17:08] many, not just by how many people we help house.
[17:11] But by how many people we're helping put down roots.
[17:14] So I'll look forward to working with you and I
[17:16] want to thank. You. Thank you so much. Any other
[17:20] comments from public comments from anyone in the room. Anyone
[17:23] online, Jamie. No. Okay. Uh, we will move on to
[17:28] item four additions to the agenda. Robert, any additions. Madam
[17:33] Mayor, there's a modification to the agenda. We are removing
[17:36] item 7. 1 for a future meeting. And that would
[17:40] be the presentation from Eastern Sierra Community Foundation. Um, they
[17:44] will be prepared for meeting in September. Okay. Thank you
[17:48] so much. So we are on to item five introductions
[17:51] 5. 1, introduce new arts and culture manager David Barron.
[18:00] Evening, Madam Ehrpretend, members of Council. Star Community, big night
[18:05] tonight. We're welcoming lots of people to our community. So
[18:09] I'm going to be as brief as I can. I'm
[18:13] missing a contact line. So I have to bear with
[18:14] me too, right? So anyway, so that's my privilege today
[18:18] to introduce David Barron to you. Yeah. Uh, and the
[18:26] community, uh, as I knew what's in culture manager for
[18:29] the new Dave and Roman were quiets in cultural centre.
[18:32] We're all very excited. Um, David brings an exceptional blend
[18:35] of leadership, strategic insight and experience in theater, media to
[18:39] this position. And we are immensely excited to welcome David.
[18:42] In this new role. Um, little bit of background. David
[18:46] Holter degree in theatre from Yale University. He'll talk a
[18:48] little bit more about kind of that. Uh, with focus
[18:51] coursework and theater management. Through the Yale School of Drama.
[18:55] His early career included production and theatre management roles. With
[18:58] institutions such as the Manhattan Theatre Club and the Mabu
[19:01] Mines. Maboo. Got that right? Uh, he also co -
[19:05] founded and managed the sacred fools theater in Los Angeles,
[19:08] which is a company that continues to thrive to this
[19:11] day. Uh, David also has a long career at the
[19:15] end. Also had a long career, not saying it's okay.
[19:19] Always time. Always had a long career at the end
[19:22] section of Meteor and Technology, highlighted by a 14 year
[19:25] career as a founding Executive at Hulu, as well as
[19:29] roles at Microsoft Paramount Fox and Disney. After three decade
[19:34] hiatus from performing, David returned to the stage this past
[19:37] year. Oh, appearing as bully in driving, Miss Daisy, the
[19:41] Mammoth Lakes Repertory Theatre. I'm going fast as I can.
[19:45] And more recently taking on the Title Roll as King
[19:48] Lir, if you saw that up at the Little Eagle
[19:50] lodge outdoors, which was amazing. Um, David is married to
[19:53] Chris. Yay. Previous mayor and have been full - time
[19:57] residents for over five years. And homeowners here since for
[20:01] 20. They have two kids, Sam and Ellie, both of
[20:04] whom were on the Man Mosquito team and enjoyed Manless
[20:07] Summer Camps. Of course I did, thank you. Coached by
[20:11] Stu. I know, right? Uh, and heights in there backcountry.
[20:14] Um, apparently you've got a crazy dog called Linus, which
[20:18] I think we've all met. Some of you have that.
[20:20] Yep. Uh, and two senior cats, both are rescues. So
[20:25] the opening of the, uh, new 259 seat theater, um,
[20:29] marks one of the most exciting developments as we are
[20:31] known Mammoth Lake's short history. 40 years and young. Getting
[20:35] from here to opening days, we know we're required deliberate
[20:38] planning. Thoughtful strategic investment, uh, and tremendous community engagement collaboration
[20:44] with our many arts and culture organizations. David's major responsibilities.
[20:49] We didn't touch on these. We'll be back in a
[20:50] couple of weeks with more detail. Uh, in the coming
[20:52] months include coordinating with public works and Amy and that
[20:55] team and Hayes on the construction of the facility, if
[20:58] you saw some of the photos today, we share those.
[21:01] And the plan technical capabilities of the theater space. David
[21:04] will also be hiring and training our technical and operational
[21:07] team and staff developing a robust two year performance calendar.
[21:11] So we're really looking at building out next year's and
[21:14] the following year's calendar, uh, the next, you know, a
[21:17] few months. Uh, we'll also be launching a new website.
[21:19] So it'll be kind of standalone to the Town Civic
[21:22] Plus site, right? It's got its own look brand feel.
[21:25] So we're excited about that. Um, also established a strong
[21:28] social media presence and building a dynamic community engagement and
[21:32] region wide outreach plan. Right. We've got a great new
[21:34] shiny object. Let's tour the world. Um, one of the
[21:37] other items that we're working on, which is kind of
[21:39] a standalone system, um, that's, well, yet standalone to dash
[21:44] in our day smart system, uh, will be kind of
[21:46] a new ticketing system. Right. So performing arts has a
[21:49] very narrow specific, um, kind of field based on ticketing.
[21:54] It has to do a range of, um, a functionality
[21:58] such as subscriptions, have to assign seating, right? Uh, we
[22:02] want to scan out many members and ticket holders into
[22:04] the facility. Needs to manage donations, manage box office operations.
[22:09] So we're going to be digging into selecting a ticketing
[22:12] system over the next few months as well. So lots
[22:14] do. So we're very excited about that. But all of
[22:17] these really leads us into kind of building and excitement.
[22:20] And really that momentum, right, that we've been building for
[22:23] the last kind of decade and beyond, uh, as we
[22:25] move closer to opening the doors of our brand new
[22:28] performing art centre. And when I say our, it's really
[22:30] ours in the community. So we're really excited about that.
[22:33] Uh, that's enough of me. Like I said, it's a
[22:35] privilege and honor to welcome David just to the microphone
[22:39] if you want to say a few words. It'd be
[22:40] wonderful. Thank you very much. Good afternoon. Mayor Rice Council
[22:48] members friends. First, I really want to thank all of
[22:53] you and Rob and Stu for this opportunity. This is
[22:58] a huge opportunity to expand on the great creative work
[23:02] that already occurs every day in this town. And really
[23:06] create a truly wonderful and unique culture of the fine
[23:09] and performing arts in the town of Mammoth Lakes anchored
[23:12] by the new Dave and Roman McCoy Arts and Cultural
[23:14] Center. And I'm really honored to have a chance to
[23:17] shepherd this project forward. I would also be remiss if
[23:21] I did not thank Chris for helping facilitate this job.
[23:25] Um, and, uh, thank you for coming today. Um, I
[23:30] look forward to coming back to, uh, in a couple
[23:32] weeks, uh, with an updated roadmap of what we need
[23:35] to accomplish over the next few months and the next
[23:37] year as we get to opening day for the new
[23:41] theater. We're going to continue to update you on our
[23:43] progress on a pretty regular basis and bring to fruition
[23:47] what I know has been a very long process in
[23:50] getting a performing art center built and operating in this
[23:52] town. Uh, in the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach
[23:55] out if you have any pressing questions or things that
[23:58] we need to address. And I really look forward to
[24:01] working with all of you as we get to opening
[24:02] night. And thank you again. Thank you.
[24:12] Again, you should kind of cost him. Thank you. I'll
[24:16] come. Yeah. We can't eat dance. Okay. We
[24:26] are on to item six reports from commissions and or
[24:29] departments as needed. Stu, are you coming back up here?
[24:36] Reports from commissions and or departments as needed. Don't encourage
[24:39] him, please.
[24:50] So. Any opportunity. To speak and promote a wonderful world
[24:55] of park recreation. Um, so I just did want to
[24:57] highlight that the, uh, future park amenity survey is now
[25:02] live. So hopefully everyone's had a chance that participating kind
[25:06] of sharing their voice about kind of what they would
[25:08] like to see at the Billshack parcel is a future
[25:10] park. And then the opportunities that we have for expanding
[25:13] wet more recreation area. So please jump on and do
[25:15] that. I do want to say also that the clock
[25:19] is ticking on opportunities to play at the Mammoth Rect
[25:22] Zone. Uh, that'll close August 30th. August 30th. Coming up
[25:27] fast. Yep. Um, we are going to start pulling some
[25:32] of that sports tile, the two volleyball courts. We're going
[25:35] to move one of those volleyball courts over to the
[25:37] school that they would use for their, um, invitational volleyball
[25:40] tournament. I think it's over Labor Day weekend. And then
[25:43] we'll be, um, simultaneously making ice. So we hope to
[25:47] have ice. By mid - September. And again, our opening
[25:50] for the public is October 1st. Uh, the Whitmore Pool
[25:54] is also scheduled to, um, close for open swim and
[25:57] kind of public recreation swim also on August 30th. That
[26:00] is that Sunday, last Sunday in August. And it'll stay
[26:03] open for the next couple of weeks for lap swim
[26:06] through September 11th. So that's how that looks through there.
[26:09] Um, and I think that's kind of all they had
[26:11] on that world unless you think that there's anything else.
[26:14] So my camp's finished, which is very exciting. Um, and
[26:17] we will be introducing hopefully in our next Council meeting,
[26:21] uh, on September 2nd our four program of enrichment and
[26:25] after school. Activities. Wonderful. Um, do you plan to offer
[26:30] some availability for like Tuesdays for parents who have a
[26:33] hard time picking up their kids early for early release
[26:36] days? Or do we, is that in our, in the
[26:38] works also? Good. Great. We'll pass that on. Fabulous. Yes.
[26:42] Any questions for Stu? Uh, where can we find the
[26:44] link to that survey? Is that something you can, someone
[26:46] could send you. Appreciate that. So, um, that link is
[26:50] available through our social media content. It's also available on
[26:53] the Town's website under parks and recreation. People can just
[26:55] click on packs and recreation master plan. They'll take them
[26:58] straight through that website. Okay. So if you want to
[27:00] find the pox recreation, mask the plan, Google jump on
[27:03] the Google tool. It'll take you straight to that website
[27:05] and click on the survey. It's in both English and
[27:08] Spanish. And, uh, so far we've received, I think over
[27:11] 120 responses. So, um. We're very fortunate and grateful. The
[27:16] community's kind of weighing in. And then we'll be, I
[27:19] think, coming back, um, with our consultants later in September
[27:23] for some more community engagement. So I'll talk about that.
[27:26] In the next meeting. But thank you for the opportunity.
[27:29] Fabulous. Thank you so much. Any other reports from departments.
[27:34] No. Um, Mayor Rice, I'd like to just make a
[27:38] couple of comments about the hiring process for which David
[27:41] was selected because that's fairly, it was fairly significant and
[27:44] robust in that. And I want to thank all the
[27:46] people that participated in that process. Obviously we were thrilled
[27:48] with the outcome of landing on David as a selected
[27:52] status. But we did have a robust interest in that
[27:56] role. Um, we had, you know, I think more than
[27:59] 60 people that originally applied for the role. Uh, had
[28:02] several different processes by which we interviewed folks for that
[28:08] role. Um, and, you know, the first one being a
[28:12] staff sort of narrowing that down, uh, and the staff
[28:15] went through, I think 16 different interviews, narrowed that down
[28:19] to the three that I then interviewed with Stu and
[28:22] a consultant, uh, and then we decided after that interview
[28:25] process, um, members of the community also involved in that
[28:33] selection process. So, um, the, through the three processes by
[28:37] which, um, making a decision on that, uh, it was
[28:40] overwhelming support for David in that role. Then I had
[28:43] the unfortunate role of contacting Chris and saying, uh, well,
[28:48] Chris, we want to select your husband for this role.
[28:51] So, uh, you'll have to vacate your position with council.
[28:54] So I want to clarify a little bit of that
[28:56] and just let folks know that's the process by which
[28:58] we went through and that decision. And it was, it
[29:01] was a really well thought out one. It was a
[29:03] long and delicate process that we had to work through.
[29:07] And I just want to appreciate the HR team Stu
[29:10] and everyone else for getting through that effectively. So. Thank
[29:13] you. Thank you. And I mean, I guess his comment
[29:17] of Chris facilitating his position is her putting her political
[29:21] career on hold. Cause I, when you first said that,
[29:25] David, I was like, what does he mean by that?
[29:26] And then I was like, yes. But yeah, you have
[29:29] a very supportive wife who's putting your career in front
[29:33] of her political ambitions at the moment. So it's wonderful
[29:37] partnership. Thank you. Okay. Um, okay. So we have item
[29:42] 6. 1 town of Mammoth Lake Social Media Report for
[29:44] July 2026. This is just a written report. Any questions
[29:47] on that? No, that's correct. Okay. Item 6. 2 August,
[29:52] 2026 public works engineering CIP update. That's a written report
[29:55] as well. Are there any questions? Are there any public
[29:58] comments on these two items. No one online either? No.
[30:03] Okay. Uh, so we are on to item eight staff
[30:06] presentations 8. 1 informational presentation on mobile home park regulations
[30:11] in California. Thank you. I am, uh, I'm not in
[30:17] the broom. As you can see. I'm on vacation in
[30:20] Alaska with Nolan. Um, and with Mr. Rudon, who's there
[30:25] on your screen, uh, looking very professional wearing a tie.
[30:28] I don't think I own a tie anymore. But surgiate
[30:32] does. Um, and this is a really complicated issue as
[30:36] we've previously indicated to the Council weather and how to
[30:40] regulate mobile Home Park rents. It's very, very complex. And
[30:43] so we thought that the best thing to do would
[30:44] be to bring in, uh, Sergio, um, a partner at
[30:47] my former firm who has extensive experience in crafting and
[30:51] administering mobile home park rent control ordinances and is very,
[30:56] very familiar with kind of how this works statewide, um,
[31:00] has been part of some ordinances and, uh, and he
[31:04] has helped us come to a better understanding of, of
[31:07] the issues involved. And we're going to ask him to
[31:10] present this item to the council. Yeah. Thank you for
[31:14] the introduction, Andy. Um, yeah, Sergio Ruden, partner at Best
[31:18] Best in Krieger. I also serve as a city attorney
[31:20] to Sausalito and interim city attorney for South Lake Tahoe
[31:24] right now. Um, you know, for reference, I primarily do,
[31:28] uh, land use zoning and building regulations of special counsel
[31:32] for various public entities, um, and I have, uh, advised,
[31:38] uh, various public agencies on mobile home park. Rent control
[31:42] issues, including advising, uh, boards of appeal for, um, mobile
[31:47] Home Park, uh, rent regulations. Um, so I'm going to
[31:51] share my screen, um, and hopefully we can get started
[31:56] on the presentation here. Can you guys see that? Okay.
[31:59] Not quite. It hasn't loaded yet. Okay. There we can
[32:03] see it now. All right. Let's start this slide. So
[32:10] we're here to talk about mobile Home Park Regulation and
[32:12] rent control. The regulatory framework is multilayered. There's a lot
[32:19] of state law on the subject. When it comes to
[32:23] opening and operating a mobile home park, um, the state
[32:27] mobile home parks act and HCDs implementing regulations. Uh, comprehensively
[32:32] govern all construction issues related to mobile home parks, their
[32:37] use, their maintenance, occupancy, permits, utilities, the layout of parks,
[32:42] lot lines, inspections and health and safety enforcement. Importantly, local
[32:47] agencies cannot do any of those things or regulate those
[32:50] things unless HCD provides approval for the local agency to
[32:55] become the local enforcement authority. Um, and so there is
[32:59] state law. On how, uh, that happens, uh, but you
[33:04] do have to petition and seek approval from HCD. When
[33:08] it comes to regulating occupancy and the relationship between landlord
[33:14] and tenant, um, the mobile home residency law sets a
[33:18] lot of regulations for what must be in rental agreements.
[33:24] Um, how a landlord is supposed to give notice of
[33:26] rent increases. Fees that can be imposed by a landlord.
[33:33] Process regarding sale of mobile home parks, um, protections for
[33:37] tenancies and termination for, um, uh, tenants, uh, and additionally
[33:44] a process by which a, uh, that a landlord must
[33:48] follow to change any of the park rules. Um, and
[33:51] additionally to convert park uses. So if you have a
[33:56] park that's dedicated to seniors specifically, um, there's a process
[34:00] by which the landlord must follow before they can change
[34:03] that done all ages park. Um, so what's the city's
[34:07] roll? Uh, the city still has its land use role.
[34:11] So it can zone for where mobile Home Parks can
[34:13] go. It does retain some police powers, but for the
[34:16] most part, a lot of those R preempted by state
[34:19] law. Um, the key one that the city does retain
[34:23] is control over, uh, rents. Uh, so you can adopt
[34:28] local rank control. There are certain prohibitions in state law
[34:32] and carve outs, including, uh, you can't subject new parks
[34:36] and new spaces to rent control. Um, and additionally you
[34:40] have to abide by constitutional protections, um, for landowners in
[34:47] terms of not having your rent control regulations. So burdensome
[34:52] or so confiscatory that the property owner doesn't get a
[34:56] fair rate of return. Um, so again, the sort of
[35:01] rules and responsibilities, um, you know, HCD is responsible absent.
[35:09] The city or the town and assuming enforcement authority and
[35:12] getting their approval, uh, it's responsible for all of the
[35:16] health and safety code provisions, uh, regulation of common area,
[35:20] utilities, inspections, uh, permits for construction, registration of homes. And
[35:26] it also has a complaint program, uh, with regards to
[35:28] all of those issues. Uh, additionally, there is private rights
[35:32] of enforcement, uh, by tenants. So, um, for violating any
[35:37] of the state law standards. Importantly, uh, there is current
[35:47] legislation at the state level. A B1128 would create a
[35:52] statewide rent cap beginning in 2027 if it passes. Um,
[35:57] additionally there is a, uh, exemption among various other exemptions
[36:03] from local rent control. If a space is not used
[36:07] as a principal residence, uh, AB 768 is currently in
[36:11] process, which would narrow that exemption and create a presumption
[36:14] that, uh, spaces used as a principle residence. So again,
[36:24] uh, just this is an outline of. The kind of
[36:30] roles that, uh, HTTP plays versus, versus the city. Importantly,
[36:35] local code enforcement can't treat any state regulated park conditions
[36:40] as ordinary municipal code violations. And those things do need
[36:44] to be referred to HCD for enforcement. Um, unless the
[36:49] city gets, uh, approval to become a local enforcement agency.
[36:53] So, uh, why are we here discussing this? Uh, I'm,
[36:59] I'm aware and Andy has end staff have made me
[37:02] aware that the town council has received a number of
[37:05] complaints, uh, regarding one of the mobile home parks in
[37:08] town. Uh, owner of the park provided a response to
[37:13] the council as well. Um, there are a lot of
[37:17] concerns over rent increases, um, they're also concerns about, uh,
[37:22] what's in rental agreements, uh, the concerns about, um, snow
[37:28] removal condition of pavement, lighting trees retaining walls, fences and,
[37:33] you know, maintenance issues. At present, uh, for a lot
[37:38] of those issues. The town doesn't really have jurisdiction to
[37:41] address them. Um. However, the town can't take action on
[37:47] some of the, uh, rent issues. As will outline, uh,
[37:54] in this presentation. Uh, so again, HCD is going to
[38:00] be responsible for dealing with, uh, the kinds of complaints
[38:03] that have been raised related to roads, common areas, snow,
[38:07] tree retaining walls, um, with regards to concerns about lease
[38:12] terms. Those can be raised to HCD. Additionally, landlord tenant
[38:18] law and civil court is going to be the appropriate
[38:21] place to resolve a lot of those issues, uh, there
[38:24] are disputes between, uh, the tenant and the landowner. Annual
[38:30] increases in terms of space rent, uh, can be subject
[38:33] town rent control subject to complying with the exceptions and
[38:39] state law. Um, the main exception is obviously new construction,
[38:43] which isn't going to apply to the parks in Mammoth
[38:45] Lakes. All right. So importantly, there is
[38:55] pending state law, as I mentioned previously, um, AB 1128
[39:01] would impose a statewide rent control cap, which would be
[39:04] the lower of, uh, So this is more restrictive than,
[39:11] uh, what's in place for cost of Hawkins. Um, this,
[39:15] uh, legislation is based on an existing statute, which currently
[39:19] applies only in mobile home parks that are in, uh,
[39:24] two or more jurisdictions, uh, so basically the state decided
[39:27] that, uh, for those parks, that statewide rent control would
[39:31] control. Um, importantly, there was, uh, litigation over that statute,
[39:38] uh, it remains pending. And so that may be a
[39:41] consideration for the legislature. Um, but, uh, from all indications,
[39:47] this is proceeding towards adoption. And, um, we'll have more
[39:52] information as to whether or not it passes the Senate.
[39:57] Anticipated in the next couple of weeks. Um, importantly, uh,
[40:02] stricter local rent control limits would remain in effective if
[40:05] this bill passes, uh, but I'm not aware of too
[40:08] many jurisdictions that have, uh, more restrictive rent control than
[40:12] this five percent plus CPI cap. Um. Again, as I
[40:18] mentioned earlier, AB 768 would revise one of the exemptions
[40:22] and create a rebuttable presumption favor of the tenants that
[40:25] have spaces used as permanent housing. Importantly given the amount
[40:32] of time that it does take, uh, to, um, draft
[40:37] and adopt a local ordinance for rent control. There is
[40:41] a high likelihood that 1128, if it passes, uh, would
[40:46] pass before the town can prepare such an ordinance. So
[40:48] that is something to consider. Additionally, um, the state is
[40:55] working to provide more resources, um, nonprofit legal aid organizations
[41:01] that are, um. In the business of representing mobile Home
[41:06] Park Tenant interests in litigation against park owners. Um, this
[41:10] pending bill would develop would require HCD to develop a
[41:14] process to distribute funds, uh, to these nonprofit legal services
[41:20] providers. And also it would require that the complaints that
[41:23] HD receive be referred to them for enforcement action. So
[41:30] without rank control, uh, what is, uh, what laws typically
[41:35] apply to both landlords and tenants and parks. State mobile
[41:41] home residency law regulates a substantial amount of the tenancy
[41:45] issues by, um, requiring specific terms and rental agreements, um,
[41:53] and which cannot be preempted by local ordnance. Um, these
[41:57] include disclosure requirements, provisions regarding, uh, rent increases and the
[42:02] timing of rent increases. So there are notice requirements which
[42:06] tenants have to comply with. The mobile home residence you
[42:10] law also creates the process by which park rules may
[42:13] be amended. It does provide for, um, some fees, uh,
[42:19] for HCD's complaint program, which are passed through tenants, two
[42:23] tenants already, uh, it does contain restrictions regarding sales, rentals
[42:29] and subleasing and provisions for that as well as restrictions
[42:32] on park management terminating tendencies only for, uh, specific statutory
[42:37] grounds. Um, and then again, it does create. HCD's protection
[42:45] program for tenons, uh, which is primarily complaint driven and
[42:49] complaint based. If the town does decide to go forward
[42:56] with, uh, rent control, uh, one of the key issues
[43:00] is that the any ordinance adopted by the town, uh,
[43:05] does have to provide for a fair rate of return.
[43:08] And typically. Any ordinance needs to consider the landlords operating
[43:13] income and expenses, um, oftentimes they are based on, um,
[43:19] allowing CPI increase over time, uh, to ensure that, uh,
[43:25] a landlord's rate of return is preserved or at least
[43:28] not depleted to the point where they can no longer
[43:31] account for maintenance costs. Um, oftentimes ordinances are drafted considering
[43:37] comparable space rents and adjacent jurisdictions or JSON parks. Additionally,
[43:45] uh, any ordinance does need to provide for a mechanism
[43:49] to ensure that a landlord can take, uh, take, uh,
[43:53] undertake capital improvement, uh, for the park. And do rehabilitation
[43:58] if necessary. So this is typically to ensure that utilities
[44:02] remain, um, you know, functional, um, address the commonary maintenance
[44:06] requirements, et cetera. Uh, and then of course, uh, any
[44:10] fair rate of return has to allow for the landlord
[44:12] to pay their taxes. Uh, utility costs, et cetera. And,
[44:19] uh, oftentimes, uh, fair rate of return requirements do take
[44:23] into account service reductions by the landlord, uh, in terms
[44:26] of, um, allowing for adjustments. Downwards. The most common methodologies
[44:35] in these ordinances, um, most of them are based on
[44:40] a maintenance of net operating income, meaning that if a
[44:43] landlord is getting a certain amount of operating income, uh,
[44:47] they are allowed to maintain that level, taking into account.
[44:51] Um, depreciation and things like, um, capital improvement requirements to
[44:56] make sure that the same standard of, uh, park operations
[44:59] is maintained. Uh, other ones are of course returning on
[45:02] cash investment and return on value. So a lot of,
[45:09] uh, ordinances are also, um. Drafted with an assumption that,
[45:16] uh, based on a, um. Base rent date. So the
[45:24] ordinance assumes that existing rent prior to rent control was
[45:29] a fair rate of return because it was sent by
[45:31] the landlord. And typically an ordinance will just allow that,
[45:37] uh, pick a date prior to the passage of rent
[45:40] control to be a base date. And then they will
[45:42] allow, um, you know, limited increases based on CPI or
[45:46] some sort of formula. Um, additionally, most of these ordinances
[45:51] include a petition mechanism for the landlord to petition for
[45:57] a different rent amount to be considered their base rent
[46:00] if for some reason their rent on the base rent
[46:04] date was undermarket and they can demonstrate that. One of
[46:12] the things that has resulted significantly in litigation is that
[46:16] you cannot typically adopt more Toriums that are indefinite. And
[46:21] we have seen this, uh, result in litigation during COVID
[46:24] over, um. More times adopted by public agencies. Um, because
[46:31] over time, while a temporary moratorium will not be illegal
[46:35] when adopted over time, it will eventually erode the opportunity
[46:39] for the property owner to obtain a fair rate of
[46:42] return that allows them to recoup their investments and pay
[46:47] for all of their operating costs. Um, so mobile home
[46:52] rent control ordinances are frequently the subject of challenge. They're
[46:59] probably more subject to litigation than, um, uh, rent control
[47:04] ordinances of other, of jurisdictions, uh, dealing with residential real
[47:09] property. There's a lot of cases law dealing with, um,
[47:15] uh, mobile home rent control ordinances. Um, typically public agencies
[47:20] are successful in defending these. A lot of the facial
[47:25] challenges are rejected. Um, because courts will recognize that public
[47:30] agencies do have the authority to adopt. Rent control as
[47:36] long as landlords are not entirely deprived of the economic
[47:40] value of their property. But typically the as applied claims,
[47:47] meaning a landlord is challenging whether or not, uh, an
[47:51] ordinance provides them an adequate return in their particular circumstance,
[47:56] uh, result in very lengthy, uh, court cases. Oftentimes going
[48:01] to the court of appeal. Um, and they can be
[48:06] very costly for public agencies, uh, cities have spent, um,
[48:10] hundreds of thousands of dollars sometimes almost sometimes in the
[48:14] low millions, uh, one to two million defending. Uh, their
[48:19] rent control ordinances. Um, Carson Valley, I think, uh, had
[48:23] years of litigation over theres. Most agencies that have had
[48:29] them will have some sort of, uh, court case involving
[48:33] them at some point in time. Importantly, um, while most
[48:40] of the legal challenges are brought by landlords, uh, to
[48:45] over whether or not they're provided an adequate rate of
[48:47] return for their investment, uh, increasingly we are seeing that,
[48:51] uh, sometimes they are brought by tenants, uh, challenging city
[48:55] decisions to allow for increases by landlords. Um, beyond making
[49:03] decisions about how to structure, uh. The cities rent control
[49:08] regulations and what methodology you want to include in terms
[49:11] of ensuring you're providing a fair rate of return. And
[49:15] what sort of adjustment mechanisms you want to have. Uh,
[49:18] one of the big questions is, uh, whether you want
[49:20] to have vacancy control or decontrol, uh, for residential reel
[49:25] property, cost of Hawkins, uh, provides for vacancy D control,
[49:29] which means that every time a space or, you know,
[49:33] rental unit is vacant. The landlord gets to set the
[49:36] rent for themselves, uh, allowing that typically decreases the likelihood
[49:40] of legal challenges because of, uh, the landlord allowing, having
[49:46] a mechanism to allow for, um, them to set what
[49:51] they think is market, right? Um, but a number of,
[49:57] um, ordinances for local jurisdictions do include vacancy control. Which
[50:04] ensures that rent doesn't significantly increase when a mobile home
[50:08] is sold or a tendency changes. It does allow for
[50:11] greater continuity and predictability and home values. Um, this will
[50:16] typically result in more, uh, difficulty for, uh, administration of
[50:21] an ordinance, um, because you're more likely to have landler
[50:24] petitions to deal with. But it does typically resolt in
[50:29] more protections for tenants in terms of, uh, predictability for
[50:34] home values and for resale of homes. Importantly, another big
[50:43] question is, uh, who do you want to have be
[50:48] responsible for hearing petitions for rent increases. Uh, and adjustments
[50:55] to rental rates, um, cities have a couple different models.
[51:00] You can have a board that considers these. You can
[51:03] have a staff administered model where it's handled by a
[51:06] hearing officer. In either case, they're both time consuming for
[51:12] staff to administer. Um, certainly a staff administra model is
[51:15] simpler. Um, it requires two republic hearings. It is typically
[51:20] faster in terms of routine administration. Um. That being said,
[51:26] there is some benefits to having a hearing model in
[51:29] terms of, um, it's a dedicated forum. You know, you
[51:35] will have more decision makers involved. Um, runner Park, Fresno,
[51:41] Carson, Beaumont used boards and commissions for this purpose. Um,
[51:45] but a number of the smaller cities as well as
[51:48] Fremont, uh, use a dedicated staff officer. Again, uh, just
[51:58] going back for, uh, to discuss sort of the cost
[52:02] of administration and the litigation risk. Thousand O expend five
[52:09] years in litigation, uh, spending three quarters of a, a
[52:13] million dollars to defend its local rent control ordinance. Capitola
[52:17] in 2011 voted to repeal. It's 32 year old rent
[52:20] control ordinance. After, uh, spending 1. 5 million dollars in
[52:25] litigation with one particular mobile home park. And at least
[52:30] one third of the cost was publicly reported to have
[52:32] been passed on to the residents via illegal defense fee.
[52:39] After repeal of that mobile Home Park rent control, uh,
[52:42] Capitol and did during COVID readopt mobile Home Park rent
[52:46] control as an urgency mushroom. Additionally, uh, rent control is
[52:52] being blamed by park operators as a primary reason for
[52:56] park closure. Um, there is ongoing litigation, both pedaluma and
[53:00] Windsor over the closure of parks, uh, in those jurisdictions,
[53:06] uh, relocation obligations under the city's local ordinances, uh, for
[53:10] those tenants. In terms of preparing an ornance, uh, the
[53:18] number of steps, um, as well as, uh, steps in
[53:24] terms of ministering, um. Typically the city has to make
[53:29] a decision on the big picture policy questions, draft its
[53:32] regulations. Additionally, uh, administering these kinds of regulations is not
[53:38] cost free. So it is appropriate for the town to
[53:41] consider, uh, adopting a fee that is imposed, uh, onto
[53:46] landlords typically who then may or may not depending on
[53:51] your particular ordinance and pose that on the tenants. Um,
[53:56] typically you need to, um, gather information about your existing
[54:03] tenants, um, base rent data, conduct outreach or landlords prior
[54:07] to implementation. Um, additionally, you will need to, once the
[54:16] regulations are adopted, most jurisdictions have registration requirements, compliance review,
[54:21] uh, that is done annually record keeping and then a
[54:25] provision for annual adjustment of, of rents. Um, in the
[54:30] instances where the cities or Town's ordinance is not providing
[54:35] for. The rate of return, there will be a requirement
[54:41] that the ordinance includes some sort of fair rate of
[54:44] return adjustment mechanism usually done by petition of the, um,
[54:50] landlord. And so there needs to be a mechanism to
[54:53] hear those. Um, and obviously that is going to result
[54:57] in annual reviews, um, usually you'll have at least, if
[55:05] you have a number of mobile home parks in your
[55:08] jurisdiction, you will usually have at least one or so
[55:11] of those kinds of petitions to the side per year.
[55:14] Um, and then additionally you may need to consider hiring
[55:18] either consultants or hearing officers, uh, to, uh, address those
[55:23] particular, um, kinds of petitions. Uh, Program fees, um.
[55:34] Most local ordinances have either a per space fee or
[55:38] administration fee that it's used to fund the staff time.
[55:41] Uh, keep track of registration, um, pay for noticing hearing
[55:46] officers. Mediation arbitration is sometimes included in local programs. Um,
[55:51] the females usually set by resolution. Almost always the amounts
[55:56] or not sufficient to recover, um, all of the legal
[56:00] costs that can come along, uh, with these kinds of
[56:03] regulations. Importantly, they're usually not set with the expectation of
[56:10] litigation, even though litigation is a significant risk. Um, so.
[56:19] With the fair rate of return requirements, most of the
[56:22] time any program fees that are imposed on a landlord
[56:26] are calculated as part of the landlords operating cost and
[56:29] can be a basis for the landlord to petition for
[56:31] increases. Um, oftentimes, uh, if the local ordinance doesn't prohibit
[56:37] the pass through of these fees, landlords will pass people
[56:40] with east to the tenants. So if the council wants
[56:44] to move forward, there are a number of questions for
[56:47] the council's consideration. Uh, including what exactly the council wants
[56:53] to address in its ordinance. Which formula, uh, it wants
[56:58] to use for rent control, including, um, whether or not
[57:04] it wants to undertake, uh, vacancy control or allow for
[57:06] vacancy decontrol. The town does need a plan for the
[57:11] eventual administration of an ordinance, including deciding whether or not
[57:14] it's going to be administered by a dedicated board or
[57:17] hearing officer. And then additionally, um, a lot of local
[57:22] regulations include provisions governing park closure. Uh, and relocation requirements
[57:29] for tenants, uh, in case of park closure, uh, again,
[57:33] based on the experience of pet alum and Windsor, those
[57:36] may not be something the town wants to undertake at
[57:39] this point. Um, but it is something to consider. Uh,
[57:43] and then again, in terms of, uh, cost of administering
[57:48] the program, uh, there will need to be an evaluation.
[57:52] The program cost. And additionally, the town will need to
[57:55] think about how much of a program it is willing
[57:57] to subsidize. And then lastly given the pending state legislation,
[58:03] that is another, uh, consideration for the town in terms
[58:06] of whether or not to move forward or see whether
[58:09] or not the, uh, state with its additional resources. We'll
[58:13] be moving forward to, uh, enacts daywide rent control for,
[58:17] um, mobile home parks. And that is my presentation. And
[58:23] I am happy to take any questions. Okay. Thank you
[58:27] so much. John, do you have some questions? Uh, yeah.
[58:34] Help us understand why this is so complicated. Is there
[58:40] a legislative history in California that's added up to something
[58:42] that just seems, uh, it seems kind of impossible out
[58:46] of the box. I'm not trying to be glib about
[58:47] this, but can you give any background on why this,
[58:51] why regulating these things is apparently seemingly so complicated involved
[58:56] state agencies. All the rest of it, just any thought
[58:58] you might have on that. I'd just like to say
[59:02] that it's, it's complicated because of the legal rights involved.
[59:07] When it's complicated because of a long, long history of
[59:10] litigation involving these issues, um, the law has changed over
[59:15] the years. The courts keep, uh, keep having to hear
[59:20] challenges brought largely by landlords. And so what you get
[59:24] is you have a complicated set of rights. You have
[59:26] complicated laws, um, and you have an atmosphere that breeds
[59:30] litigation. And you put all that together and you get,
[59:35] you get what we have. We're drafting ordinances on some,
[59:39] in some areas of law ordinances are, are pretty much
[59:42] cookie cutter. This is one area of law where they
[59:44] are not. There is no one true path. There's no
[59:47] one right way to do it. And every jurisdiction just
[59:50] does the best they can and makes choices they think
[59:53] will serve their community. But Sergio Open expand on that.
[59:59] Andy thinks of that. I agree with everything you've said.
[1:00:02] I think the, the main reason it is so complicated
[1:00:04] is that the fair rate of return standard for local
[1:00:07] run control is so incredibly squishy. When you're asking a
[1:00:10] court to figure out what is fair for a landlord.
[1:00:13] It is always an adjudication of very fact specific issues
[1:00:19] regarding the operations of a specific mobile home park. What
[1:00:23] may be fair for one park is not always there
[1:00:25] for another park. And because it is park specific tenant
[1:00:30] specific, uh, landlord specific, um, it is very hard to
[1:00:35] predict as you are drafting these kinds of regulations where
[1:00:39] the weaknesses may be in them. Okay. That's great. I
[1:00:43] think it, I think we get the general idea. Um,
[1:00:46] if the town were to wait into this, um, would
[1:00:50] the regulations apply to all parks within our jurisdiction. The
[1:00:54] second question being how many parks do we have in
[1:00:57] Mammoth Lakes. You have two parks, at least according to
[1:01:01] staff. And yes, you would, if you adopt mobile Home
[1:01:04] Park rank control, you would, it would be my recommendation
[1:01:06] that you have it applied to all parks in your
[1:01:08] jurisdiction. And what are the two parks. Um, that is
[1:01:15] the ski trails. And the name of the other one
[1:01:19] escapes me. Okay. So not by Azimuth. But not the,
[1:01:27] you know, the mobile V part? The RV park. That's
[1:01:30] not, that's not, I mean, that's a, I would think
[1:01:32] it's a federal thing. That doesn't apply to this. That
[1:01:35] is outside of the Towns jurisdiction is my understanding. Okay.
[1:01:38] All right. Those are my questions for the moment. Thank
[1:01:40] you. Okay. Brent, do you have some questions? A couple
[1:01:42] of questions if I could, please. Um, just to clarify,
[1:01:45] one of your statements that says that health and safety
[1:01:48] issues are responsibility of HTD within the trailer park. So
[1:01:53] I just want to make sure I'm clear on this.
[1:01:54] So waste disposal issues, bears, crime rates unsafe buildings. That's
[1:02:00] HCD and that town has no jurisdiction. That is correct.
[1:02:05] Unless the town petitions to become a local enforcement agency
[1:02:08] that typically all of the issues regarding, um, uh, construction
[1:02:13] standards, health and safety code provisions. And utilities, all of
[1:02:19] the things that deal with the built environment are almost
[1:02:22] all entirely subject to regulation by HCD. And there are
[1:02:28] very few jurisdictions that have petitioned to become a local
[1:02:32] enforcement agency for mobile home parks. I don't know the
[1:02:35] exact number, but it's a small, small minority of the
[1:02:39] jurisdictions that had parks. The vast majority of the jurisdictions
[1:02:43] with parks, uh, have relied on HCE to continue to
[1:02:46] do the enforcement. Just one clarifying point. Can you two
[1:02:53] explain to the audience and us what HCD is. This
[1:02:57] is the department of housing and community development. So this
[1:03:00] is the same agency that is responsible for housing element
[1:03:03] law. Enforcement of ADU laws, um, and generally the state's
[1:03:08] housing agency. And where they headquartered. I would assume Sacramento.
[1:03:13] Okay. And they don't have, they have a branch office
[1:03:15] in our region or, or we would be dealing with
[1:03:19] sex. We and everybody in the community will be dealing
[1:03:22] with sacramento, correct? I believe that would be the case.
[1:03:26] I do not know about whether they have branch offices.
[1:03:29] Okay. Thank you. A couple more questions. Um, and it
[1:03:33] follows up to the previous question a little bit. So
[1:03:35] we have residents who are raising concerns regarding challenges, maintenance
[1:03:40] issues, rent issues. What can we do right now through
[1:03:43] HCD to address any of these conditions without waiting for
[1:03:47] an ordinance or other action. Do we have any do
[1:03:52] we have any capabilities that a community, the town can
[1:03:56] serve as a liaison, it can petition HCD to take
[1:03:58] action on, you know, existing issues, uh, I do believe
[1:04:03] that having a local agencies reach out to HCD has
[1:04:09] increased enforcement efforts in the past. That require any particular
[1:04:15] action. Other than us taking action or is there a
[1:04:18] petition for that? What's the, what's the process for that
[1:04:21] to happen? Um, so HCD does have a complaint service,
[1:04:27] um, and certainly staff can encourage, uh, tenants to file
[1:04:32] complaints. I think that's important. But staff can also follow
[1:04:35] up on behalf of tenants to see whether HCD is
[1:04:38] taking action. So you've put a number of different points
[1:04:45] out there. And I'm just trying to understand because the
[1:04:48] financial component per se. But let's just say we, the
[1:04:52] town adopted a rent stabilization. In your opinion, what does
[1:04:56] that do to the actual rents? Cause I'm concerned about
[1:04:59] cost being, okay, now we do it and then we
[1:05:01] charge an extra 10 percent fee that goes on this.
[1:05:04] And landlord charges another feat. Does it actually reduce the
[1:05:07] rates. Um. So. Local rent control does
[1:05:17] slow down. Rent increases. Um, it is very rare that
[1:05:20] local rent control results in rent rollbacks. Okay. And then
[1:05:28] the other one I have is, so let's just say
[1:05:29] we asked after to look at this and start to
[1:05:33] look at implementing something. What's the length of time would
[1:05:36] it take to get an ordinance in place? You've got,
[1:05:38] we've got state measures that are potentially going to impact
[1:05:41] this. Could be some overlap. But what's the realistic timeframe
[1:05:45] to put something to place if we went down that
[1:05:46] road. Uh, realistically, I would probably say three to five
[1:05:51] months. Yeah. I concur with that. And the reason that
[1:05:55] it takes that long is because as I said, the
[1:05:58] ordinances are not cookie covered. There are, are there are
[1:06:02] no two that are alike. And I've looked at a
[1:06:04] couple dozen of them. They're all different. And they're all
[1:06:08] the result of a bunch of small discrete separate policy
[1:06:13] choices. Um, as Sergio said, you have to decide how
[1:06:16] to calculate a fair rate of return. You have to
[1:06:19] decide, uh, who's going to administer the ordinance. You just
[1:06:23] have to make a bunch of choices. And I think
[1:06:25] that in order to do this properly, um, weed staff
[1:06:29] probably with Sergio's help would need to bring to the
[1:06:32] council, um, a bunch of options. And I don't think
[1:06:35] it would be as simple as here's the staff recommendation
[1:06:39] because the issues are complex. They need some time, um,
[1:06:42] to unpack. And I think that it would require probably
[1:06:46] multiple council means. I'm not sure that the council would,
[1:06:49] um, would be able to do the subject justice and
[1:06:52] reach a decision the first time considering it. Um, a
[1:06:57] lot of jurisdictions that enact these ordinances will want to
[1:07:00] do some outreach to the park owners. Um, and have
[1:07:03] them be part of the process of their voices are
[1:07:05] heard because that can be a way of reducing the
[1:07:08] likelihood of litigation. Um, some jurisdictions have sought to involve
[1:07:13] park residents and crafting the ordinances. Um, which also adds
[1:07:17] time. So I, I really don't think it could be
[1:07:21] done in less than three months. Um, I, I think
[1:07:25] five months could be done with a lot of focus
[1:07:28] and discipline and focused attention on, um, on the subject.
[1:07:35] You have any other questions? No. Okay. I have a
[1:07:37] few questions. Sergio, I'm hoping that you can clarify. You
[1:07:42] said something about, um, that there, I just didn't quite
[1:07:45] understand you said something about like the exemption for two
[1:07:48] parks and different cities or it only applies to two
[1:07:50] parks in different cities. Yeah. So the, the statewide legislation,
[1:07:56] uh, which is being proposed is based on, uh, a
[1:08:00] statue, which currently imposes that five percent plus inflation cap
[1:08:07] in mobile home parks that are in more than one
[1:08:10] jurisdiction. So that's statue already exists. And the proposed bill
[1:08:14] would expand the reach of it to all parks throughout
[1:08:17] the state. So, okay. Thank you. So that is an
[1:08:23] effect. And the, was it the AB 1128? That is
[1:08:27] going to expand it to all in one to eight
[1:08:30] would take state rent control for mobile home parks, which
[1:08:33] only applies to a handful of parks and apply it
[1:08:35] everywhere. Okay. Thank you. Um, and then let's see how,
[1:08:41] Nolan, I think this is a question for you. How
[1:08:42] comparable are the rents at the two mobile home parks
[1:08:46] in town. On the town does not have detailed information
[1:08:53] on what the actual rents are charged based on what
[1:08:56] I've heard. They're fairly comparable though. We're comparable to each
[1:09:00] other. Okay. They are about the same. Okay. Um, and
[1:09:03] then, um. How is the land zoned? Can it only
[1:09:09] be used for a mobile home park. Correct. So within
[1:09:13] the town Zoning Ordonites, there's a mobile Home Park zoning
[1:09:18] designation that designation that only applies to the two existing
[1:09:23] parks. Outline standards if we were to, what process and
[1:09:29] steps we'd have to take to create any new parcel
[1:09:32] zone mobile HomePark with size and specific details on that.
[1:09:38] But then it also regulates the uses that it can
[1:09:40] only, only allows for mobile home parks or mobile home
[1:09:45] street placed within the park does not allow nightly rentals
[1:09:47] within the two mobile Home Parks, um, that's kind of
[1:09:51] the extent of what that zoning does. Okay. And then
[1:09:56] this is a silly. I don't want to interrupt, but
[1:09:59] I, I'm just getting into the question there that, um,
[1:10:03] you might be wondering, well, something else happened on these
[1:10:06] sites. Um, and Sergio can address this in more detail,
[1:10:09] but I will tell you, I do have some experience
[1:10:11] with the idea of wanting to close a park. And
[1:10:15] it's, it's somewhat complicated. It's very expensive and it's time
[1:10:18] consuming. Um, because the mobile Home Park law, um, provides
[1:10:23] a number of rights to tenants, which are fantastic. But
[1:10:26] they make it very financially difficult for park owners to
[1:10:29] close a park because they have to provide, uh, extensive
[1:10:33] relocation benefits to the tenants. Sergio, have you ever had
[1:10:37] a jurisdiction actually have a part close. I have only
[1:10:41] dealt with trying to have a public agency acquirer a
[1:10:45] park. So, um, I have, I have not actually had
[1:10:49] to deal with park closure myself. Yeah. And I, I've
[1:10:52] only, um, addressed it in a jurisdiction that was thinking
[1:10:56] about talking to the property owner about doing that. I
[1:11:00] have never actually seen a part close study of the
[1:11:04] truth. Okay. So what's happened, but it's very rare. That
[1:11:07] was kind of my line of questioning is if the,
[1:11:09] if they were, you know, if they would be able
[1:11:12] to drive up the rent so much and then close
[1:11:14] the park and have it zoned for something else, or,
[1:11:18] but that sounds like that's not a possibility. It's possible,
[1:11:22] but it would not be easy, nor would it be
[1:11:24] cheap or quick. Okay. Let's see. Um, and then the
[1:11:33] AB 1128, you said that there's not really a timeline
[1:11:36] for that. Um, no, there is a timeline in order
[1:11:41] for it to pass this legislative session. I believe it
[1:11:44] has to, uh, let me pull up the stabiliser calendar.
[1:11:48] Um, I think it needs to be signed by the
[1:11:50] governor in September. And it needs to, I believe exit
[1:11:59] the. I think it needs to be passed out of
[1:12:05] the houses at the end of October. Uh, yeah, September
[1:12:08] 30th is the last day for the governor to sign
[1:12:11] or veto bills. October, August 31 is the last day
[1:12:15] for each house to pass bills. Uh, and then they
[1:12:18] go into final recess. So we'll probably know by the
[1:12:22] end of this month whether or not it's heading to
[1:12:24] the governor's desk. Okay. Okay. Are there questions? One of
[1:12:28] the quick questions. Um, do the other HOA or their
[1:12:34] homeowner associations associated with parks. Is that possible and do
[1:12:38] the two parks of Mammoth have HOAs. Uh, typically parks
[1:12:44] will not have associations, although certainly tenant group tenant groups
[1:12:50] can band together and form an unincorporated association to represent
[1:12:56] their own interests with regards to the landlord. Often in,
[1:13:02] you know, condo developments are similar under Davis Turling. A
[1:13:05] homeowners association is responsible for managing of the park. And
[1:13:09] it, you know, it collects assessments, et cetera. Park management
[1:13:12] usually contracted by the landowner is responsible for that. So
[1:13:17] the HOA in the sense that you may be thinking
[1:13:19] of it. But there could be a tenant some sort
[1:13:22] of organized tennis association for the parks to represent their
[1:13:26] increasingly for some of these mobile home parks. These kinds
[1:13:29] of, uh, tenant associations banning together. Sometimes we'll buy out
[1:13:33] the park from the park homer. Okay. That's it. Thank
[1:13:36] you. Okay. Just another question. Yes. Sergio, just one more
[1:13:38] question. You brought up an interesting thumb head. But when
[1:13:41] he said you were involved with the public agency potentially
[1:13:44] acquiring a park, is that a difficult thing? You kind
[1:13:47] of, I kind of got through your voice that's not
[1:13:49] necessarily easy to think. Yes. The short answer is yes.
[1:13:52] It is difficult. Okay. That's it. Okay. Um, and then
[1:13:57] I guess I had one kind of question. I don't
[1:13:59] know if you'll answer to this, but, uh, it's a
[1:14:02] mobile home park. How mobile are the homes? Not mobile.
[1:14:07] I don't know. They're not. No, they're not. Okay. And
[1:14:09] that's, and that's the main reason. And that's why there
[1:14:12] are so many state law protections and comprehensive state regulation
[1:14:15] over what landlords can and can't do is because as
[1:14:18] a practical matter, it's very hard to move any of
[1:14:19] these homes. It's essentially a homeless thing. It gets to
[1:14:22] be over 20 or so years old, which a lot
[1:14:25] of coaches are. I don't know the ages of the
[1:14:27] units in either of our parks, but you essentially can't
[1:14:31] move an older coach. Without it falling apart. Just can't
[1:14:36] be done. Okay. Um, so we've done questions. Let's do
[1:14:40] public comment and then, uh, we will do deliberations. So
[1:14:44] if you have a public comment, you can come up
[1:14:45] to the podium and you have five minutes to tell
[1:14:47] us how you feel about this issue. Hi Jennifer Krites.
[1:14:53] Monokini board a supervisors. And I also want to just
[1:14:56] not take away the thunder from anybody else. But I
[1:14:59] do want to recap on some of the legislation. So
[1:15:02] AB 1128. Is actually been through a gut and amend.
[1:15:08] And it's in the Senate right now. And it was
[1:15:11] amended to only be a rent camp cap for the
[1:15:14] city of Torrance. So it will not be a statewide
[1:15:18] rent cap on mobile home parks. Um, this year, um,
[1:15:23] because once it's been amended, um, in the other house,
[1:15:26] it can't go back and be amended again in the
[1:15:28] assembly because now it's in the Senate. AB 768 is
[1:15:33] dead. Um, it's, um, it's not going to get hurt
[1:15:36] again. So those things are off the table. I think
[1:15:40] it's important for us to know that as a community,
[1:15:43] when we think about next steps, I mean, many of
[1:15:45] these big cities too have lots of mobile home parks.
[1:15:49] We're kind of lucky we only have two in the
[1:15:51] sense that that's easier to work with the tenants and
[1:15:54] the landlords, um, and I think being in this, um,
[1:15:59] this situation where the land is zoned only for mobile
[1:16:02] home parks is also favorable. In my opinion in the
[1:16:06] county, most of ours is zone commercial. So therefore it
[1:16:09] could, you know, it would be controversial, but it could
[1:16:12] potentially become something other than a mobile home park. Um,
[1:16:17] I personally think that the housing fund is a great
[1:16:20] place to fund the administration of a policy like this.
[1:16:25] And that, um, a lot of these bills that we've
[1:16:31] seen throughout decades, I would say as long as I've
[1:16:35] been working in affordable housing, um, have been brought to
[1:16:40] the state, but the lobbyist on the park owner's side
[1:16:43] are just so strong that they just never pass. And
[1:16:48] it seems ashamed to keep waiting for that for our
[1:16:51] residents. It is an organically affordable housing source here in
[1:16:58] our town. And I think folks deserve some stability. And
[1:17:03] that's really all this policy would do. It wouldn't reverse
[1:17:06] rents, but it would make them stable. And I can
[1:17:09] appreciate the desire for that. So that's all I wanted
[1:17:12] to share. Thank you so much for your time. Thank
[1:17:13] you, Jen for. My name is Jennifer Barrett. I actually
[1:17:22] am the other park representation for Sierra Holiday. I actually
[1:17:27] managed the community with the support of some team members.
[1:17:31] And we've owned the park for three years. And I
[1:17:33] do consider us to be very good park owners. We're
[1:17:37] very involved with the community. We have homeowner meetings with
[1:17:40] them to understand what the needs of the community are.
[1:17:43] In that community, we have 83 sites, only 78 of
[1:17:46] them are occupied because we hold the others back for
[1:17:50] the snow removal every year. And we don't plan on
[1:17:52] bringing homes into those sites. Um, I think some of
[1:17:56] the concerns that I have is, I think that we
[1:17:58] all share the same goal. I share the same goal
[1:18:01] as the community does, which is really having stable housing
[1:18:05] for our homeowners. And I feel like we really do
[1:18:08] do a good job at that. We have, um, MRL
[1:18:12] is in place to protect the residents and to protect
[1:18:16] park owners like ourselves. We also have, and what is
[1:18:20] MRL? The mobile home residency law. Okay. And when we
[1:18:24] talked about HCD, the HCD program that was mentioned by
[1:18:28] the gentleman, I love that program. If a resident has
[1:18:32] a concern about the way we maintain or don't maintain
[1:18:36] a community, they can call and file a complaint. Either
[1:18:40] there are no satellite offices, by the way, it's either
[1:18:42] Sacramento or Riverside County. And they will come out to
[1:18:46] the community. We've had HCD out to our community twice
[1:18:50] since we've purchased the property because we've invited them. Or
[1:18:53] we've had something done that requires permits that they come
[1:18:56] out and do that. Specifically for Sierra Holiday, one of
[1:19:00] my concerns is the percentage of residents and that community
[1:19:04] who own the homes that do not live there. They
[1:19:07] either rent it out for profit. So they have their
[1:19:10] sub - leasing the home. They have a rental agreement
[1:19:12] with us, but they're sub - leasing the home to
[1:19:14] an outsider. Or they're using it strictly as a vacation
[1:19:18] rental. And I do think that if this is something
[1:19:21] that we look into, I don't believe second homeowners should
[1:19:25] be entitled to that. Or people subleasing their home. Right
[1:19:29] now, we can only confirm, because it's only three years,
[1:19:33] it takes a while to meet all of the residents.
[1:19:35] Um, So I think that's an important thing to look
[1:19:41] at when we're doing that. The other thing that I
[1:19:44] would like people to look at is the pricing of
[1:19:47] the homes in the community. Mobile homes are mobile homes.
[1:19:51] And right now the couple of mobile homes listed in
[1:19:55] the two mobile home parks. Two bedroom cheap bath is
[1:19:58] listed at 175, 000. It's listed at 175, 000 due
[1:20:03] to its location. That seemed mobile home in other cities.
[1:20:07] If you pull a nada value, which is a Kelly
[1:20:10] blue book value on a mobile home would most likely
[1:20:13] be listed at 50, 000 because it's, it's a mobile
[1:20:16] home. So we, if this is something that we plan
[1:20:19] to adopt, we would want to look at the fair
[1:20:22] return for the land owners themselves, selling a mobile home
[1:20:27] that's worth 50, 000 for 200, 250, 000 is something
[1:20:31] we should all be looking at. Um, the other thing,
[1:20:37] I do understand hardships. By the way, I've been in
[1:20:39] the mobile home industry only in California for 19 years.
[1:20:43] And one of my biggest things is engagement with homeowners.
[1:20:46] And getting to know the communities, which is why we
[1:20:48] have homeowner meetings. We do offer a low income assistance
[1:20:53] program. So if any homeowner came to us with an
[1:20:56] increase that they received, we have a program that they
[1:20:59] can apply without rent increase would not go into place.
[1:21:03] We would freeze that wrench increase because we do understand
[1:21:06] hardships and everything that the homeowners go through. Um, I
[1:21:11] just feel very passionate that we are good park owners.
[1:21:14] We do what's right. I have some stats that are
[1:21:18] total operating expenses for last year was 985, 000 dollars
[1:21:24] We did road work. We brought in a brand new
[1:21:26] house. We did our tree trimming snow removal, thankfully was
[1:21:30] not as bad as it was in 2023 when we
[1:21:33] first took over. I'll be the first one to say
[1:21:35] we were not prepared for that because we're in Sacramento.
[1:21:40] Yeah, we sure did. We plan for that now, but
[1:21:43] we are genuinely invested in making the Sierra Holiday a
[1:21:49] good mobile home park. So I just wanted to share
[1:21:52] that with you. Okay, just a quick question. I think
[1:21:54] you can ask, I don't think you can ask questions
[1:21:56] for public comments, but maybe afterwards we could. So like
[1:22:01] that's... I would like to meet with the city council
[1:22:03] of being. I would love to get your information. So
[1:22:05] I think we would love to hear from you more.
[1:22:07] But thank you so very much. Thanks for your questions.
[1:22:10] Okay, any other public comments. Hi, my name's Harry. I'm
[1:22:17] an owner and resident at Ski Trail, and I very
[1:22:20] much appreciate the other park owners speaking today, and it
[1:22:23] really exemplifies the contrast, this stark contrast between the two
[1:22:28] parks that we have in our town. I would very
[1:22:30] much like the owners of Ski Trail to be involved
[1:22:33] to be caring to be able to freeze Ren if
[1:22:36] we express hardship. It is extremely different, and I'm very
[1:22:39] grateful for you to speak. Thank you very much, and
[1:22:41] thank you for doing what you're doing for your community.
[1:22:44] However, none of that, unfortunately, applies to ski trail. So
[1:22:48] I just wanted to bring that to attention unless the
[1:22:50] owners of ski trail are here to speak. Here, we'll
[1:22:56] do that thing for. No, I mean, the park owners
[1:23:00] themselves. I don't believe are here to represent the park
[1:23:03] operator. The park operator, yes. And we have many residents
[1:23:06] at ski trail here, and that is what brought all
[1:23:09] of this to the attention of the town is specifically
[1:23:12] the park of ski trails. So again, thank you for
[1:23:14] coming and sharing that, and I just want to make
[1:23:16] sure that everyone is aware it is a very, very
[1:23:18] different situation. I would like to just ask one question
[1:23:22] to the lawyers, if that's okay. Um, I think what
[1:23:25] we should do is if there are questions we can
[1:23:27] take down the notes, and then at the end, our
[1:23:31] staff could respond or respond. This question refers to the
[1:23:37] Ski Trail is trying to get all of the owners
[1:23:40] and residents to sign new leases. And inside that lease,
[1:23:46] it states that any rent control ordinances will not apply.
[1:23:50] Um, they're claiming that they're going digital. This is their
[1:23:53] argument. However, they're telling us we have to come in
[1:23:55] person and sign physical paper to go digital. So I
[1:23:58] just want to bring that to everyone's attention and ask
[1:24:00] if the legal grounds, because I know some people have
[1:24:03] unknowingly signed that lease. And if there's any legal standing
[1:24:07] in that should have read control ordinance pass. Okay. Thank
[1:24:10] you so much. Any other public comments from anyone in
[1:24:13] the room? Come on to the podium. Hi, my name's.
[1:24:19] My name's Will. I've lived in ski trails for almost
[1:24:21] seven years. Um, back, my comment is about the fair
[1:24:27] return. For the owner. Uh, the owners of ski trails
[1:24:31] have owned that park since the 70s. Uh, I don't
[1:24:34] know how long, I don't know if they give out
[1:24:37] 50 - plus - year mortgages, but that park and
[1:24:40] that land has long been since paid off. I heard
[1:24:43] a rumor that their annual tax bill is 14, 000
[1:24:46] dollars. I don't have my phone on me, but I
[1:24:52] did the math at 1, 500 dollars a month. You're
[1:24:56] close to 1. 2 million dollars a year. Even if
[1:25:02] our only amenities are snow removal and trash. So if
[1:25:05] trash was 1, 000 dollars a day, which it's not,
[1:25:09] you would still be left with close to 900, 000
[1:25:12] dollars of pure profit minus your 14, 000 tax. You're
[1:25:18] at 886, 000 dollars. I doubt they're paying the snow
[1:25:23] plow guy. We have the worst snow removal ever, and
[1:25:26] they constantly refer to that as a big expense. I
[1:25:29] don't think the snow plow guy is receiving 10, 000
[1:25:32] dollars every day that he comes in. Does it even
[1:25:35] if he did, like he still doesn't come 20, we
[1:25:38] don't have 20 storm days with him doing that. So
[1:25:41] we talk about a fair return. How much, how many
[1:25:46] hundreds of thousands of dollars is fair for the owners
[1:25:51] of this park to receive? And then back to their
[1:25:57] response. With the owners'response to the accusations or whatever.
[1:26:07] They say that tree works, no removal and maintenance are
[1:26:10] ongoing citing contractors, inspections, and, uh, HCD inspections. I've never
[1:26:16] seen anything repaired in our park the last seven years
[1:26:19] I've been there. Uh, there's no mention in here of
[1:26:23] the poor management that we receive from blizzard property management.
[1:26:28] Uh, I cannot stress how arrogant the owners of this
[1:26:33] park are. And that's why I like that the operators
[1:26:37] of the other park were here that shows that they
[1:26:39] actually care. I'm very surprised you've even got an answer
[1:26:43] from the owners to respond to this, but I'm begging
[1:26:48] this council to do something because the owners of our
[1:26:52] park are on par by seven percent every year to
[1:26:56] displace over 60 families out of their homes as their
[1:27:00] final legacy. The owners of our park are in their
[1:27:02] 80s and late 70s. They're some of the most arrogant
[1:27:05] people you will ever meet. I'm sure at some point
[1:27:07] somebody that this town council has dealt with them, but
[1:27:11] like I said, they are on par to kick out
[1:27:14] 60 plus people from their helms every year making our
[1:27:17] homes worth less and less money. Like every rat increase.
[1:27:22] My home probably went down over 200 dollars in value
[1:27:25] just in the afternoon being in this room. And I
[1:27:28] beg you guys, please take this seriously. I see that
[1:27:33] you guys have taken it seriously, but I'm begging you
[1:27:35] to use all the power that this town council has
[1:27:38] to help our residents here. One of our residents drives
[1:27:41] the bus, the other resident, uh, runs the taxi company
[1:27:46] in this town. Hari is a nurse full - time
[1:27:49] at our hospital. Like one other resident is the head
[1:27:53] of Parks and Rec. These are not people on vacation.
[1:27:56] We are all hardworking people and we are being taken
[1:27:59] advantage of every single day by the owners of this
[1:28:02] park and by blizzard property management. And I just thank
[1:28:07] you for hearing us out. And I hope that you
[1:28:10] guys can do everything you can to help us. Thank
[1:28:12] you. Thank you for your comments. Thank you. Any other
[1:28:17] public comments from anyone in the room? Come on down.
[1:28:28] Hello. My name is Sophia Flores. I've been a local
[1:28:31] residence since 1997 and I am also resident at the
[1:28:35] mobile home park. And I grew up in the Sarah
[1:28:38] mobile Home Park here in town. So I am very
[1:28:40] familiar with both of them now. Um, and I just
[1:28:43] want to say that the residents were not naive of
[1:28:48] what it takes to have property value. We're not. And
[1:28:51] we're not asking to take away from profit. What we're
[1:28:55] asking is just for stability and housing. So we are,
[1:29:01] we want to work with the particle nerves. We want
[1:29:03] to make sure that this is something that doesn't hurt
[1:29:07] the residents or, you know, like it doesn't, um, have
[1:29:10] those kind of negative effects, but we do realize that
[1:29:13] the rent increases are just too much for the working
[1:29:16] families. And that is what the mobile home parks are.
[1:29:19] We have maybe a few second homeowners. Um, I didn't
[1:29:23] realize it was that high with this here at mobile
[1:29:25] home park, but in ours, we know our neighbors. Um,
[1:29:29] and so, and they're all part of the workforce community
[1:29:32] here. And when we're talking about money, this town will
[1:29:35] lose more money losing those residents who can't afford to
[1:29:38] live here anymore. And you're talking about the places in
[1:29:41] town that are supposed to be the most economical places
[1:29:45] to live. The cheapest places that you can buy. And
[1:29:48] yet families are being pushed out. And so that's where
[1:29:51] our concern is. And so we don't, like I said,
[1:29:54] we don't want to take away profit. We just want
[1:29:57] to make it fair housing. Because we own property too.
[1:30:01] And that's why we are such a sensitive protected class.
[1:30:05] Because we own our homes, but we don't own the
[1:30:07] land. And so that's why this is such a complex
[1:30:11] case. And so thank you for adding this and the
[1:30:13] agenda. And again, I just push that we continue to
[1:30:17] have these conversations as a community because it's, it's complex,
[1:30:21] but it's, I think we're valuable people of our community
[1:30:26] and we are worth the time and the energy and
[1:30:29] the money that this will have. Thank you. Thank you
[1:30:33] so much. Any other public comments from anyone in the
[1:30:37] room. Do you guys want to like start a line
[1:30:43] behind anybody else want to talk to one comment to
[1:30:47] add to all of that. Um, I think it's very
[1:30:49] important that the town supports, um, our citizens here and
[1:30:54] trying to find, um, longer term solution as it relates
[1:30:58] to rent control. But I like to pick out the
[1:31:01] low hanging fruit here and just point out we have
[1:31:04] a dispensable space issue. Residents of the park have complained
[1:31:07] to me about how they're not allowed to trim the
[1:31:09] trees and that, um, that the park owners not doing
[1:31:13] anything. So there are places are in danger. And the
[1:31:16] greater community of Mammoth Lakes is in danger if we
[1:31:20] have an issue like that. So I would just like
[1:31:22] to encourage the council to direct staff to work with
[1:31:26] HCD to work on those issues because I think the
[1:31:30] power with the town complaining to HCD besides just individual
[1:31:36] residents. That's all I have. Thank you. Any other public
[1:31:40] comments from anyone in the room. No. Anyone online? No.
[1:31:47] Okay. Um, so staff, would you be able to or
[1:31:53] Sergio would you be able to answer the question about,
[1:31:56] um, is it legal or would it be held up
[1:31:58] in court. Uh, with a mobile home owner signing a
[1:32:04] paper that said that future mobile home, uh, caps, rent
[1:32:08] caps would not apply to them. Um, so I'll address
[1:32:14] two comments that were made. One. I did pull up
[1:32:17] the legislation for 11, 80, 11, 28. And it does
[1:32:20] appear that that was, uh, gutted and substantially revised within
[1:32:24] the last few days since the agenda was published. So
[1:32:29] surprise. Um, with regards to the, um, rent control issue,
[1:32:36] um, historically, uh. State, uh, state, uh, law had a
[1:32:42] provision that long - term leases of more than 12
[1:32:44] months were exempt from local rent ordinances. Uh, however, AB
[1:32:49] 2782 basically capped, uh, narrowed that exemption and any lease
[1:32:57] of any length signed after 2020 is no longer exempt
[1:33:00] from local rent control. Uh, so to the extent that
[1:33:04] local leases have provisions saying that they waive local rent
[1:33:09] control regulations. Those portions of the leases are likely void.
[1:33:13] Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for that. Okay.
[1:33:18] Well, would you like to tell me your thoughts, Brent?
[1:33:22] Well, I'll start with this way. And it was going
[1:33:23] to be, I was curious when Jennifer was up here
[1:33:25] with the other trailer park, what their rates have increased
[1:33:28] have been over the several years just in comparison to
[1:33:30] know overall, because we seem to have a very focused
[1:33:33] audience here. I'm not that trailer park, but the other
[1:33:37] one, that standpoint. My portion is, is that I think
[1:33:41] there's an opportunity for us here to engage HTT from
[1:33:44] staff, try to help see if we can help exploit
[1:33:47] some of the complaints that have been there. And I
[1:33:50] think we should be taking a look at what this
[1:33:52] really takes to implement an ordinance and make sure that
[1:33:56] we've evaluated the cost and make sure that it makes
[1:33:58] sense in that direction. But for me, I'm favoring, we
[1:34:02] asked the staff to come back with what's us take
[1:34:04] to put in order to place and not just a
[1:34:06] presentation today, but what's the real nuts and bolts to
[1:34:08] make this happen. Okay. John. Um. This is a very
[1:34:14] interesting situation. Um, and this is, I think the true
[1:34:18] value of living in a small town. Living in a
[1:34:21] small community, uh, we have powerful levers to use to
[1:34:28] try to address something like this. Um, I have questions
[1:34:31] for staff that I don't want to get into here.
[1:34:34] Um, I very much thank the woman from the park
[1:34:37] who came forward. And advised we have a civil situation
[1:34:42] in our park. We're conscientious and we care about people
[1:34:46] that live there. It's an interesting idiosyncrasies around second homeowners
[1:34:50] and lightly rentals. We spent a lot of time going
[1:34:52] through that in years past. And I'm sensing that their
[1:34:56] opportunities there, uh, I would hesitate at this point to
[1:35:01] start bringing in sort of a government mandate to try
[1:35:04] to address this problem. Because we seems like we have
[1:35:07] an example of something that seems to be working pretty
[1:35:09] well. And we have an example with perhaps some individuals.
[1:35:13] I don't know these people. I'm not casting any Expersions
[1:35:15] up here at the dais. Perhaps there's some cultural problems
[1:35:19] going on over there. Um, and I think it's worth
[1:35:22] exploring that, um, and exploring like the levers we would
[1:35:26] have with HCD as a town to look at what's
[1:35:29] kind of going on over there and to see if
[1:35:31] we could maybe try to get some of those things
[1:35:33] into compliance, uh, before getting into, um, I mean, this,
[1:35:38] this whole environment. Litigation, all the rest of it. I
[1:35:42] don't know if that's going to make anybody happy. Uh,
[1:35:44] so I would, I would want to explore other local,
[1:35:48] uh, options before getting into something like that. But that's
[1:35:51] my thought. But again, I've got some questions for staff
[1:35:54] and questions for residents, people living in these places. I
[1:35:57] like to do some fact finding here to see what's
[1:35:59] kind of what's going on. Okay. Thank you. Um, I
[1:36:05] agree that I think that we need to petition HCD
[1:36:08] to make sure that the complaints that have been hopefully
[1:36:11] filed, if not filed, like I think that, um, you
[1:36:16] know, we need to, there are a few things at
[1:36:18] play where it seems like there are issues with the
[1:36:21] living standards. But then there is a separate issue of
[1:36:24] affordability. And so, um, I would be in favor of
[1:36:28] modeling in ordinance on AB 1128, you know, capping the
[1:36:34] rent at five percent plus CPI, whatever's lower. So I
[1:36:42] mean, I think that we need to take steps. I
[1:36:44] think that it's going to get less affordable. So I
[1:36:47] don't know if Jennifer, she's still in the room. I
[1:36:51] mean, I would love for our staff to talk with
[1:36:53] her and see, you know, just kind of see. What
[1:37:01] is reasonable from her standpoint and, you know, and then
[1:37:04] also have staff talk with, um, the mobile home. Uh,
[1:37:11] owners here tonight, you know, to see what's reasonable from
[1:37:15] their point of view. Cause I do think, I mean,
[1:37:17] that's 60 community members that, you know, work in our
[1:37:21] hospitals, you know, their kids go to our schools. Like
[1:37:24] we have to keep their housing affordable. And, you know,
[1:37:29] it's much, much more affordable to draft an ordinance and
[1:37:34] cap rent than it is to find housing for 60
[1:37:38] family lates. And I would agree with completely what you're
[1:37:41] saying. I'm just looking at what is going to be
[1:37:43] the most effective and efficient solution. And I, and I,
[1:37:47] I, I would hesitate, I mean, it's fine to explore
[1:37:50] an ordinance. We can start looking at those kinds of
[1:37:52] things, but I think it's going to be in the
[1:37:54] community's interests if we as a community can deal with
[1:37:58] these issues on a human community - based level. I
[1:38:02] think once you start bringing in ordinances, you know, things
[1:38:06] like that. Trust is going to go out the window
[1:38:09] right away, which maybe that's okay. But I'm not based
[1:38:13] on the litigious history of this, the very complex nature
[1:38:19] of it. It's described by both attorneys. It gives me
[1:38:23] some pause to think that that is necessarily going to
[1:38:26] be the solution we're looking for. But there is, I
[1:38:29] mean, like other renters in town are protected by, you
[1:38:37] know, what is it like CPI up to 10 percent
[1:38:41] annual increases in your rent and mobile homes are excluded
[1:38:44] from that. And so I think that it's very reasonable
[1:38:49] to, you know, we only have two mobile home parks.
[1:38:53] Like I think that we could figure out something that
[1:38:56] would be reasonable for the park operators and the mobile
[1:39:00] home owners. And, you know, make sure that we keep
[1:39:04] that affordable housing for our community numbers. No, I absolutely
[1:39:08] agree with, with the goal that you're articulating. Absolutely great
[1:39:12] with that. I'm just trying to think about what is
[1:39:14] going to be the most effective, efficient way to get
[1:39:17] there. It's government is not efficient. Well, that's what I'm
[1:39:21] saying. It's like, I would like to keep Sacramento out
[1:39:24] of this if we can. If we can find a
[1:39:26] way to do, cause again, we're so remote. We're so
[1:39:30] far away. I mean, you know, the question about comps,
[1:39:34] like what's reasonable return, all the getting into all that
[1:39:37] kind of nonsense. If we can find some way to,
[1:39:40] uh, be investing in our culture, investing in our small
[1:39:43] committee to achieve the goals you're talking about. I would
[1:39:46] lean that way for now. But I have no, no
[1:39:48] issue with exploring ordinances or doing it. And because we're
[1:39:51] government organization, I guess we can't suggest to Jennifer that
[1:39:54] maybe they should acquire another trailer park within the community.
[1:39:58] And well, yeah, I mean, maybe they exactly. I mean,
[1:40:03] things like that, solutions like that, uh, but I'm interested
[1:40:07] in exploring all solutions at this point. But again, I,
[1:40:10] I mean, this litigation legislative nightmare is something that I,
[1:40:16] it just gives me pause. Um, what do you need
[1:40:19] from us tonight. I'm sorry. I was just texting Andy
[1:40:26] question. Um, he's in Alaska. Is that? Yeah. He looked
[1:40:29] like he was laying in bed. I am not going
[1:40:32] to say they are all recovering from a cold. So
[1:40:35] I, so I understand. Yeah. So we've been talking a
[1:40:38] little bit here about, you know, options. I think John,
[1:40:41] the directions you're going are having conversations locally with folks
[1:40:44] that either owners management or anything else from a town's
[1:40:47] perspective. You know, we've, we've all heard and received, you
[1:40:51] know, notes, letters and, you know, public comment coming in
[1:40:55] from the operator. The one thing I ask, Nolan, is
[1:40:59] the opportunity to sit down with them face to face
[1:41:00] and have a conversation about what they're creating here and
[1:41:03] the hands that they're forcing into a space where all
[1:41:07] the things that you're describing, which none of us want
[1:41:09] to partake in are only option. And so, um, I
[1:41:13] think that would be step one. Uh, I know Nolan
[1:41:16] has been sharing information about HCD hotlines both English and
[1:41:21] Spanish with folks that have been interested in understanding that
[1:41:24] process. Um, interesting to hear that the town itself can
[1:41:27] have an influence on that if we're going on behalf
[1:41:30] of someone, uh, that's never been something that, you know,
[1:41:34] been communicated to me at least. And we're not, uh,
[1:41:36] we're not doing that right now. Like we're not reaching
[1:41:38] out to HED. We don't have a lot of civil,
[1:41:41] a lot of, uh, community members believe that the town
[1:41:43] gets involved in everything that goes on civilly. And we
[1:41:46] just don't, right? We don't have any jurisdiction. But if
[1:41:48] there's, if there's effort that would produce results based on
[1:41:52] our involvement, I have no problem doing that. Right. So
[1:41:55] we'll do a little exploration on that as well to
[1:41:59] understand that. So tonight, you know, I think we wanted
[1:42:02] to give the opportunity for, um, our, uh, our attorneys
[1:42:06] here to share the information that we had. I think,
[1:42:10] you know, what I've heard is there's some desire to
[1:42:12] kind of move forward with something quickly. Um, there's a
[1:42:15] desire for us to maybe do some legwork internally here.
[1:42:19] Well, I'll disqualify that. I think doing things quickly is,
[1:42:22] is kind of imperative. But I think if I think
[1:42:25] what you're saying, Rob, is you've heard that the town
[1:42:27] could actually be speaking on behalf of people. And we
[1:42:29] haven't done that yet. I think if the easy short
[1:42:33] term wins or things to explore, I think we should
[1:42:35] start doing that right away. Yeah. And I think we
[1:42:37] can, we can do that in obvious communicate with council
[1:42:40] on the outcome of that efforts, not at a council
[1:42:43] meeting, but, you know, real time as it occurs to
[1:42:47] give folks an understanding of that. Um, I very clear
[1:42:50] that there's an interest in getting something accomplished as quickly
[1:42:53] as possible. So on the lens or anything else you
[1:42:58] have for tonight. No, I think we can, we can,
[1:43:03] um, definitely take out on those efforts, engage with, I
[1:43:07] think both Park owners, their management, residents, um, summarize those
[1:43:12] efforts. And then, um, work with Andy to potentially agendize
[1:43:18] a future policy or discussion item because we would have
[1:43:21] to have that, um, receive any formal direction than from
[1:43:25] Town Council to move to move forward on something. So
[1:43:28] I think us reaching out summarizing that effort summarizing what
[1:43:32] we've learned from those efforts and then bringing it back
[1:43:35] to a future meeting is really there. I think it
[1:43:39] would be helpful if the way to include council members
[1:43:42] in these meetings of these discussions as appropriate. You know,
[1:43:48] one of the three or four versus something to be
[1:43:50] to hear these conversations. It's not a. Which means are
[1:43:53] you talking about? Well, if they're having meetings with the
[1:43:55] park owners meeting with residents and things like that so
[1:43:57] we can, it'd be more efficient so we can hear
[1:44:00] what folks are saying instead of just being brought in
[1:44:03] when it comes back to care. Exactly. Instead of just
[1:44:05] getting a report, Hey, this is what we heard kind
[1:44:07] of a thing. I mean, we can do that on
[1:44:08] our own, I guess. But I think it would make
[1:44:10] sense to figure out a way to do that. So
[1:44:12] we're listening as part of that conversation. Next reaction on
[1:44:15] that. Cause sometimes when you council member staff, people, you're
[1:44:19] trying to get on feedback could make people. I think
[1:44:22] these people. I think the residents of Mammoth Lakes are
[1:44:26] proud, strong people. And I would hope that, I mean,
[1:44:28] if it's an issue, fine, but tell us. Like that's
[1:44:32] what we're here for. Yeah. Maybe you have, but I've
[1:44:33] already engaged in with a number of people. So I'm
[1:44:35] here tonight. Um, I'm already been having one on one
[1:44:38] because I want to make sure this has come as
[1:44:41] a pretty significant issue. And it's affecting the character part
[1:44:44] of our community. And I think we have to address
[1:44:45] it sooner and later. So I've been pretty invested in
[1:44:49] having those conversations already. Okay. Well, I have not been,
[1:44:53] but I'm available if you want me to sit in
[1:44:56] and be part of these conversations. And then I guess
[1:45:02] John, I just wanted to, you know, crunch on numbers
[1:45:05] too. As you know, like, I mean, the Sergio shared
[1:45:09] how much different cities have paid, uh, on litigation costs,
[1:45:13] you know, with the most expensive one being one and
[1:45:15] a half million dollars. I mean, that sounds like a
[1:45:18] lot, but you know, with our bridge program, finding housing
[1:45:20] for 60 families would be like nine to 12 million
[1:45:24] dollars that we would spend subsidizing, purchasing units. So, you
[1:45:29] know, I think that any money that we would put
[1:45:32] into this would be well spent keeping that housing affordable
[1:45:39] for argument. What kind of money are you talking about.
[1:45:42] I'm just saying like one and a half million dollars
[1:45:44] on litigation sounds like a lot. But if you're comparing,
[1:45:49] I've been on this council long enough to remember litigation
[1:45:53] issues with the town. It's probably not something we want
[1:45:55] to say that that's, that's a price we can be
[1:45:58] willing to pay. Well, but if we're modeling it on
[1:46:00] other ordinances that have, I'm not convinced, I mean, I'm
[1:46:05] hearing the stressors that are coming in the ski trail
[1:46:08] community. I'm hearing that. Uh, but I'm not convinced yet
[1:46:12] that we don't have to pull out the ultimate legislative,
[1:46:17] you know, legal hammer that that's going to actually get
[1:46:20] us to the solutions that we want. I'm not, I'm
[1:46:22] not convinced that yet. And I'm, you know, if they're,
[1:46:25] if, if there are property owners, they're along the lines
[1:46:28] that the gentleman described. I think that it's, it sounds
[1:46:32] to me that there are things that we could do
[1:46:33] within the, uh, the rule book, they currently exist to
[1:46:37] say, look, you're acting as a bad actor, uh, and
[1:46:41] this council is extremely concerned about what you're doing and
[1:46:44] the risks that you're identifying. So I think until I
[1:46:48] hear something from those landlords, those park owners would say,
[1:46:52] we do not care. We are going to keep doing
[1:46:55] exactly what we're going to do. And as Rob said,
[1:46:57] there is one tool we have left to play, which
[1:47:00] is going to be this. Then I'd be willing to
[1:47:03] go there. I'm not, I'm not there yet. Okay. So
[1:47:06] do you have what you need for tonight? Okay. Yes,
[1:47:09] we do. Thank you. Okay. All right. So, um, that
[1:47:12] is item 8. 1. We're going to move on to
[1:47:15] item 8. 2 update regarding electric vehicle EV charging stations.
[1:47:25] Just give it a minute for the room to clear
[1:47:26] out.
[1:47:59] All right. Hayes is this one. That's me. All right.
[1:48:07] I'm working here. Yes. Okay. So the catalyst for this
[1:48:11] I wrote night, um, is, uh, requests from Tesla for
[1:48:16] expansion of electric vehicle charging stations and town Mammoth Lakes.
[1:48:20] Um, you guys are aware we get asked regularly for
[1:48:24] opportunities to provide charging stations. I suspect that you've heard
[1:48:28] from local residents about needs and desires for different type
[1:48:31] of opportunities. Um, and as you'll hear later in this
[1:48:34] presentation, we don't really have good guidance on as staff
[1:48:37] as to how to move these things forward or ignore
[1:48:40] them or whatever the case may be. Uh, but I
[1:48:43] thought it'd be a good opportunity to kind of talk
[1:48:44] a little bit about, um, background of the townstipation and
[1:48:48] providing these services. Um, what I've seen on public property,
[1:48:52] private property, um, little bit about the current request. And
[1:48:56] a little bit of discussion about a policy plan. I
[1:48:58] am not looking for any specific outcome tonight. Not looking
[1:49:00] for any particular decision. Maybe a little bit of guidance
[1:49:03] on where we could go with this, what we could
[1:49:05] be doing. I have some ideas myself. If you guys
[1:49:09] are looking for some input from staff, um, but we're
[1:49:14] going to just have a little bit of a dialogue.
[1:49:16] So, um, going back to 2015 is when we entered
[1:49:21] into the first agreement with Tesla. This is the site,
[1:49:25] the parking right site. There are eight supercharger slide got
[1:49:31] messed up there. It says park and ride eight superchargers.
[1:49:34] Um, this is Tesla only. Um, it's non - exclusive.
[1:49:38] In our agreement, which I'll touch on this. I touched
[1:49:40] on this in the staff report, non - exclusive does
[1:49:42] not mean non - exclusive. Their state law that says
[1:49:45] you can't park in EV spaces. We just don't enforce
[1:49:47] it. It's in all of our agreements that they're non
[1:49:50] - exclusive. So we don't have to take action, but
[1:49:53] state law says that only EVs can start park in
[1:49:56] EV spaces. Um, and we do not charge any lease
[1:50:00] to Tesla. Um, when we put the site together, uh,
[1:50:04] there was a pretty strong demand from visitors and residents
[1:50:07] to provide some type of EV charging. The second site
[1:50:11] came in 2022 with the community recreation center. This was
[1:50:16] part of that whole mobility hub component. We brought EV
[1:50:19] charging, transit, parking, um, and then all the connectivity came
[1:50:24] with the multi - use paths in the sidewalk network
[1:50:26] into one mobility hub. Tesla brought 11 chargers. So there's
[1:50:34] four universal and seven superchargers. And the Universal, this is
[1:50:37] a point of contention where originally J1772 universal part of
[1:50:41] the deal with Tesla was that they would provide free
[1:50:44] charging to non - Tesla vehicles. And at that time
[1:50:49] it was our understanding that they could not charge for
[1:50:51] that service. That did not make it into the agreement.
[1:50:54] And later they found a path forward to charge through
[1:50:58] those lower level chargers. And they currently charged from, which
[1:51:01] is quite disappointing. Guys, one quick question. Uh, when you
[1:51:04] say Tesla only. Uh, I have a small electric vehicle.
[1:51:11] And there are some Tesla charging stations that anybody can
[1:51:15] charge at. And the say for Tesla only. Could you
[1:51:20] clarify what? Yeah. I was going to touch on that
[1:51:21] a little bit later. Okay. Tesla is willing to make
[1:51:24] some adjustments to allow for other vehicles. As part of,
[1:51:27] uh, their, their offer to us. Um, these, these current
[1:51:31] chargers, all the Tesla stations right now are Tesla only
[1:51:35] unless they have very specific OEM and a CS type
[1:51:38] charging infrastructure. It's a very limited stock that can use
[1:51:42] these charges other than Tesla. The universal chargers, Universal, um,
[1:51:48] if you have the right adapters, any vehicle can use
[1:51:50] them. I have certain terminology because the EV world, they
[1:51:57] use so many different terms. Um, and the staff report,
[1:52:00] I try to make it clear that there's fast chargers.
[1:52:03] And then the fast chargers. And then there's Tesla. And
[1:52:06] then there's everybody else. And in that world, those spaces,
[1:52:09] there's a lot of subuses. Just trying to keep it
[1:52:14] simple for everyone so we can have kind of a
[1:52:18] baseline dialogue. Cause you can get lost in the acronyms
[1:52:20] very, very quickly in this space. The third site we
[1:52:26] authorize was in 2023. This is the Electra FI America
[1:52:30] site. This is at the Hillside Parking lot. Um, these
[1:52:33] are six fast chargers. These are not exclusive to Tesla.
[1:52:37] These are universal. So anybody with an EV can use
[1:52:39] them. That happens to write adapters and infrastructure. Um, they
[1:52:43] have an option to add two more on top of
[1:52:45] the six that they're installing right now. We are not
[1:52:48] taking a lease payment on these. Um, like I said,
[1:52:50] they're open to all EVs. And this is currently under
[1:52:52] construction. My understanding. I was out there just the other
[1:52:55] day. Um, they're awaiting some inspections from SCE. That was
[1:52:59] the main challenge with this getting completed last year. Um,
[1:53:03] my understanding is that will be done this week. And
[1:53:06] by the end of next week, they should about have
[1:53:08] about half the site. Buttoned up and people can start
[1:53:12] using it again while they're getting their final inspection setting
[1:53:15] their switch gear, setting their transformers and so forth. So
[1:53:18] I know that has been a difficult thing to deal
[1:53:21] with this summer not having the site available. Um, but
[1:53:24] as you can see in this photo, the giant trench
[1:53:26] down the middle of the parking lot. And the trench
[1:53:30] you can't see that goes perpendicular. So it was not
[1:53:33] safe for the public views. But that should be backfilled
[1:53:37] and slurried in. And by the end of the next
[1:53:39] week, open, uh, at least the majority of the lot.
[1:53:45] And here's another photo. Uh, the fourth site we authorized,
[1:53:52] um, was with EV range. This was just last November.
[1:53:56] Also at the park and ride lot, um, they are
[1:53:58] proposing eight fast chargers, similar to Electrify America that are
[1:54:02] open to any EV. Um, with this one, we took
[1:54:06] a little bit different tact. Um, they didn't typically pay
[1:54:09] lease payments. They had all of these companies have different
[1:54:12] models. Um, however, we were willing to work a deal
[1:54:16] with them to get a 600 dollar month credit for
[1:54:18] Town government vehicles. Um, if we ever move into that
[1:54:21] space, they have a building permit. They've applied for the
[1:54:26] building permit. They've received their building permit, but they have
[1:54:28] not given us a start date for construction. And I
[1:54:31] don't have any updates other than that. Sorry. One quick
[1:54:34] question. Is this part of the EV range the federal
[1:54:36] subsidy? Are they part of that federal subsidy program? I
[1:54:38] don't know how they're funding this aspect of their operation.
[1:54:43] Um, if you recall and we were going through the
[1:54:46] lease agreement, uh, mothership of EV range and they have
[1:54:52] different businesses underneath it. I can't speak to which component
[1:54:56] of the company this is unbelievable. This came up that
[1:55:01] EV range was going to put a bunch of charging
[1:55:03] stations off. So those are the four that we've offered
[1:55:09] town property to private entities to provide this service. Um,
[1:55:14] the town itself is working on a couple of chargers.
[1:55:17] We have three chargers that I'll be at the Town
[1:55:19] Hall. These are beef for government vehicles. We're working with
[1:55:22] ESTON, SCE on four chargers at the STHQ. That's 210
[1:55:26] commerce to support some electric vehicles and buses that they're
[1:55:30] purchasing. Um, our chargers will be up by, well, this
[1:55:35] year. And, uh, Esthers should be sometime next year. It's
[1:55:38] about an 18 month process on that ramp. Um, I
[1:55:42] looked at what was available on, um, private property. And
[1:55:46] I'll say that we can't control what happens on private
[1:55:48] property. So, um, I just went off what's on the
[1:55:51] plug share website plug shares, you know, used by most
[1:55:54] EV users, owners defined chargers. I can't speak to the
[1:55:59] availability of these. You know, that's for the private businesses
[1:56:02] to determine. Um, there are six Rivian chargers, which are
[1:56:05] publicly available by GoodLife. There's charges at the Weston, the
[1:56:10] village, wollies, and one at the RV park. I believe
[1:56:13] those are for people using those businesses. I haven't personally
[1:56:17] tried to co - use them myself. Um, but they're
[1:56:20] on private property and they're for private use, but they
[1:56:22] are available to public or the patrons, um, who use
[1:56:27] those services. Hey, it's just a clarification that. So, um,
[1:56:32] Rox Spring's going in, they're not required to put an
[1:56:33] EV station in. Yeah. The green building code requires a
[1:56:37] certain number of stations. That's what I thought they said.
[1:56:40] So there is Town Does mandate through code for certain.
[1:56:44] Yeah. And they may not be publicly, um, transparent on
[1:56:47] these sites, like plug share, because they may only be
[1:56:50] for the users. They may only be for people staying
[1:56:53] at Rock Spring or limelight. You know, I'm sure they
[1:56:56] have chargers in their basement. They're not publicly available. And
[1:56:59] I suspect, and I know that there are other chargers
[1:57:02] in town that are under that. I just went off,
[1:57:04] what was the information publicly available? So we had some
[1:57:06] kind of baseline. So the request. John to answer your
[1:57:13] question. The new Tesla V4 architecture allows for OEM manufacturers
[1:57:18] that use the NEHCS standard, which is the Tesla plug,
[1:57:22] um, to use those chargers. And I believe they've opened
[1:57:25] the architecture up to some other vehicles as well. I
[1:57:27] don't have the full list. In front of me, but
[1:57:30] if you go to the Tesla website and look it
[1:57:31] up, it's got the list of all the manufacturers that
[1:57:34] can use those newer style chargers, which I have a
[1:57:37] photo of right there. With an adapter. Yeah. If you
[1:57:40] don't, well, the end that architecture is OEM for a
[1:57:44] lot of these new manufacturers. Right. So, and I, I
[1:57:47] don't know how far back it's reverse compatible, um, with
[1:57:51] like a Chevy Bolt or a leaf. Or I don't
[1:57:54] know. I don't have that detail, but the, the, um,
[1:57:57] Tesla website has that information. But I believe moving forward,
[1:58:01] the newer architecture, most vehicles will be able to use,
[1:58:04] um, the Tesla stations. Um, they desire to put blocks
[1:58:09] of eight. I think that just happens to work with
[1:58:13] their Transformers and the way that there are architecture. So
[1:58:15] if I, if we offer two or three, they're really
[1:58:17] not interested. And they're looking for blocks of paint. I
[1:58:20] mentioned the staff report. If we gave them 40 spaces,
[1:58:23] they would take it. Um, they see, uh, a lot
[1:58:26] of demand, a lot of increase in demand. And their
[1:58:30] company policy is not to be behind. They want to
[1:58:32] be in front. So they want to build out before
[1:58:35] they see, um, long wait times. Uh, their wait time
[1:58:41] is 10 minutes. If they see waiting more than 10
[1:58:42] minutes, they don't believe they're providing adequate service. They have
[1:58:46] their models based on Eastern Sunday scenarios holiday weekends. Um,
[1:58:50] and I mentioned all this in the staff report. I'm
[1:58:52] not going to rehash all the details. But, um, they
[1:58:56] see strong demand and they see, um, significant increase over
[1:59:01] the next five to 10 years. Um, they're offering to
[1:59:06] pay lease payments. Um, this is different than, um, what
[1:59:10] they've offered in the past. Um, up to 300 dollars
[1:59:13] of space. And they mentioned that if they were able
[1:59:16] to get chargers that say hypothetically the parking rifle lot,
[1:59:20] but not the CRC, they would be willing to sign
[1:59:23] a new agreement at the CRC under the existing circumstances
[1:59:26] to pay lease there just to get more spaces at
[1:59:29] the parking ride lot. And so that's 300 per month
[1:59:35] per space per month. First base per month. Yeah. So
[1:59:38] if you were to get, we were going to get
[1:59:40] the full 300 dollars per space that would be over
[1:59:42] 80. So, if you put in an EV spot, does
[1:59:49] that take just one parking spot or do you sacrifice
[1:59:51] other parking spots to put any of you spot in?
[1:59:54] Uh, that's a great question. Um. For the chargers at
[1:59:57] the parking ride lot, we did a very custom installation
[2:00:01] with Tesla to allow the plow blade to go through
[2:00:05] those faces. So they're wider than typical at the CRC
[2:00:09] and what we say at Electrify America stations and what
[2:00:11] we'll see with EV range they're designed and set up
[2:00:14] in such a way that the plow goes perpendicular so
[2:00:16] it doesn't have the same pass - through. The pass
[2:00:20] - through stations require more space. To get a 14
[2:00:24] - foot blade through it. Almost a parking spot in
[2:00:26] the half. Um, you also have to provide ADA spaces.
[2:00:31] So the VAN Accessible space is a space and a
[2:00:33] half. So you can lose some spaces, side - dimensionally.
[2:00:38] When you put in a new installation. But you're losing
[2:00:41] to parking space because someone is going to be charging
[2:00:43] there instead of only parking the car there. And we'll
[2:00:46] get into the policy side of this thing. You were
[2:00:50] encumbering public parking spaces with electrical charging spaces. You're swapping
[2:00:57] them out. So that's the offer. And I can get
[2:01:00] to more details. I will say Tesla, um, they do
[2:01:03] what they say they're going to do. And they've been
[2:01:05] very accommodating for any issues we had anytime. There's a
[2:01:08] problem out at the CRC or at the parking ride
[2:01:10] lot. We make phone call, send an email. They send
[2:01:12] a technician. They deal with it. They've been a very
[2:01:15] good partner to work with. Um. But it puts these
[2:01:20] requests put staff in a difficult spot. Every single one
[2:01:24] of these requests have been brought to counsel case by
[2:01:27] case one at a time. Um, not looking at some
[2:01:31] holistic larger plant or policy or program. And, uh, we
[2:01:36] don't have a lot of guidance on how to have
[2:01:37] these dialogues and these conversations. Um, and so that's why
[2:01:40] I'm bringing this fork to you guys. Um, because we're
[2:01:44] also seeing the increase in demand. I mean, the sales
[2:01:48] numbers in California, we only see that increasing. What we're
[2:01:57] not seeing is the private side jumping in and building
[2:02:01] charging stations outside of Rivian and the chargers that really
[2:02:05] serve the private developments. Um, we haven't seen a success
[2:02:08] story in Mammoth of a private electrify America station or
[2:02:13] Tesla station. So they continue to look to the town
[2:02:17] for opportunities to meet their demand. And so we're looking
[2:02:22] for guidance as to what the role of the town
[2:02:25] is. In that space. We don't have good guidance on
[2:02:28] it. Um, I looked at the Mono County Local Transportation
[2:02:33] Commissions, Mono County alternative fueling corridor. Doesn't really provide great
[2:02:38] guidance. Um, on what the town should be doing with
[2:02:42] its land. Uh, Mono County has a policy in their
[2:02:45] general plan that says, um, the good balance to allow
[2:02:48] for electric vehicle charging. County land. We don't have any
[2:02:53] similar or corollary in our general plan. So we didn't
[2:02:59] make any commitments to Tesla. We just said, Hey, we'll
[2:03:02] bring this forward to Council, see what the appetite is,
[2:03:05] what they're interested in doing. And then get back to
[2:03:07] them. Um, but I'm really interested in your thoughts as
[2:03:11] what you think we should be doing, what you think
[2:03:14] we should be doing prepare or if anything. And that's
[2:03:19] really, uh, my presentation. And I'm hoping to engage in
[2:03:23] a dialogue on the subject. I have a quick question
[2:03:26] for you. Um, so the charging stations at the CRC
[2:03:30] is the electricity that's used for that separately metered and
[2:03:34] paid by Tesla or is that what the CRC? Yeah.
[2:03:37] So, uh, I should have mentioned this with the CRC
[2:03:40] Tesla gave us 80, 000 dollars to bring that electrical
[2:03:44] service into the CRC. As part of that mobility hub
[2:03:47] component. We, the town already had to bring in significant
[2:03:51] service to run the ice rink. They, they front loaded
[2:03:54] that and paid for it for us. And so then
[2:03:56] they were able to use that infrastructure for their, their
[2:03:58] charging stations. But the monthly cost to there's no monthly
[2:04:01] talk. There was a one time payment. Yep. Okay. And
[2:04:04] then they set it up. And then all of these
[2:04:06] installations every single one that we've authorized on Town property,
[2:04:10] they pay for the electricity. They have their own meters,
[2:04:13] their own Transformers, their own architecture, um, we don't bury
[2:04:17] any cost there. Uh, would Elon Musk put a parking
[2:04:22] structure at the park and ride. Uh, I don't think
[2:04:26] that's his business model, but I, I don't have a
[2:04:29] direct line of communication. I don't mind doing business with
[2:04:32] Tesla, but not to maybe doing business with that guy.
[2:04:36] Okay. Has anything like that been discussed or anything like
[2:04:40] maybe putting up. I mean, cause for me looking at
[2:04:43] this, I feel like for every charging station we put
[2:04:48] in, we're losing a parking spot and parking is very
[2:04:50] tight, you know, especially during the winter months. But around
[2:04:54] the village, like it's tight all year round. Um, I
[2:04:57] would be interested, you know, if it was increasing our
[2:05:01] parking capacity, you know, like putting a park in structure
[2:05:03] into the parking ride or at the hillside, um, hillside
[2:05:07] drive lot, turning that lot into a parking structure. You
[2:05:10] know, and having half of the spaces be EV spaces
[2:05:14] or, you know, some, something substantial like that. But I
[2:05:18] think that it's hard to, like you said, the county's
[2:05:20] policy. Like when it, when it's taking away parking from
[2:05:26] an already congested spot that has limited parking, I think
[2:05:30] that it's, um, difficult at the moment. And I, I
[2:05:34] think that, um, like in Bishop, isn't the Rivian charging
[2:05:40] at El Polloco? You know, I think that the Vons
[2:05:43] parking lot would be a great place for some EV
[2:05:45] chargers at the back of the lot there, but that's,
[2:05:48] you know, they would have to contact the owners of
[2:05:52] that parking lot and work on that themselves. Like I
[2:05:55] think that the town does have limited public parking around
[2:06:00] Town. Well, Brent, you had a thought, mind you. Oh
[2:06:09] yeah. Well, I think that, um, uh, couple of things.
[2:06:12] One is we had a discussion, an interesting discussion. Does
[2:06:16] the council back in the basement of the brewery a
[2:06:18] couple months ago? And we talked about a bunch of
[2:06:20] different things. But climate, you know, the whole, our policy,
[2:06:25] our overall vision about how we're dealing with policy with
[2:06:28] climate, uh, was an interesting one. And I'm looking forward
[2:06:30] to seeing that come forward. We can figure out how
[2:06:33] to navigate through that. Uh, but one of the things
[2:06:35] I think we talked about is the fact that this
[2:06:38] may be the last winter sports recreation destination in the
[2:06:42] state. You know, that's Hayes pointing out increasing demand for
[2:06:47] these kinds of things. That's kind of a unique position
[2:06:49] for us to be in. So I think it's something
[2:06:51] to be thinking about how do we ensure that to
[2:06:55] our audience that we are in a leadership position in
[2:06:57] terms of climate mitigation doing what we can do. Um,
[2:07:02] I think your point about public space versus private spaces
[2:07:07] is a very good one. And I think that that's
[2:07:09] something that we should start figuring out how to have
[2:07:12] those discussions. With the large parking lots in town to
[2:07:17] say, look, we need to start talking with you all
[2:07:19] about it. We want to be in a leadership position
[2:07:22] with regards to climate doing what we can do. We
[2:07:25] have limited public facilities. We provide free public park. Do
[2:07:29] we want to keep doing that? I mean, one of
[2:07:31] the great building zoning challenges in the town is that
[2:07:34] we've got all these 1960 strip malls that, I mean,
[2:07:37] the whole downtown revitalization plan was about how do we
[2:07:40] start getting out of the parking lot business and start
[2:07:43] building housing and, you know, converting that real estate to
[2:07:47] something else. So I think this is, it's along those
[2:07:51] same kinds of lines, um, that I think I agree
[2:07:54] with you. I think it's not ideal that we're using
[2:07:56] all of our public assets for this kind of stuff.
[2:07:59] We need to bring other partners into this because we
[2:08:02] have very limited real estate, whether it's public or private,
[2:08:05] um, and I think we should find a way to
[2:08:07] start talking, um, with those parts. The Rivian charters are
[2:08:12] right in front of good life. I don't know how
[2:08:14] they did that, but it's like, it's like the prime
[2:08:17] parking spaces in front of good life are Rivian EV
[2:08:19] chargers. Okay. Well, good on you. Uh, but I think
[2:08:23] there could be some ways that we could talk to
[2:08:25] people with more parking opportunities than they probably need started
[2:08:29] figuring a way. Let's start spreading the fun around a
[2:08:32] little bit. And what about the public parking down Main
[2:08:35] Street, you know, like in front of the businesses, like
[2:08:38] Way Rave and Stellar Brew and Napa, you know, there
[2:08:42] is public parking there that it wouldn't be an eight
[2:08:44] space. Well, I think you get into the technical realities
[2:08:48] of what they, I mean, I feel like in some
[2:08:50] of those things, if it were a charger or two,
[2:08:53] I would be open, you know, like away from the
[2:08:57] village, I feel like some of those businesses, it would
[2:08:59] be good for the businesses to have a singular or
[2:09:03] two chargers. And maybe it's not with Tesla. Maybe it's
[2:09:06] with Rivian or a different company. But, you know, the
[2:09:11] thing that they're asking for about like eight spaces, I
[2:09:14] don't know that we have the space for that. Yeah.
[2:09:17] And I think, I mean, if you look at what,
[2:09:19] like what they're doing up with at the mobile mark,
[2:09:23] I mean, you know, these, how many is he putting
[2:09:26] in there? That's got to be more than eight. No,
[2:09:28] I don't know the number, but it's a large. It's
[2:09:30] a large. He's putting in a whole bunch up there
[2:09:32] up in Bridgeport. They just, you know, 15, 20 are
[2:09:35] going up there. So obviously demand is there. I think
[2:09:37] we want to be playing in that. But I think
[2:09:39] we should find a way to try to get more
[2:09:41] players into this to help us out with us. Well,
[2:09:44] and sort of similar for the standpoint of. You have
[2:09:47] people use DVs. We need it as a leader leading
[2:09:50] destination place. We should have places where people can charge
[2:09:53] your vehicles, etc. Maybe not just Tesla, but more universal
[2:09:57] charging stations. But to me, it's that we want to
[2:10:01] have a policy where we are anticipating and working not
[2:10:04] only businesses, whether it's our own properties. I'll come back
[2:10:07] to that in a second. But, you know, to encourage
[2:10:09] that we need to have more EV stations to a
[2:10:10] certain degree, what's the demand? Make sure we're not like
[2:10:13] building 500 and no one use those. But I think
[2:10:17] it would be good at some point in time that
[2:10:18] we actually develop a policy on this as we, whether
[2:10:21] it's climate change or where we roll it into is
[2:10:23] like, okay, we were trying to be good stewards of
[2:10:26] this land and it's more efficient way to do things
[2:10:30] with going down the road. But I'm not against looking
[2:10:34] at a town property from time to time when we
[2:10:36] analyze the public benefit. You know, there may be times
[2:10:39] and I don't want to get into where those stations
[2:10:41] are or not because I think that staff is better
[2:10:44] quick to judge based on power location, whatever. But if
[2:10:47] the public benefit and we actually received enough return on
[2:10:50] that, that it justifies plug vivot. Maybe it's 10, 000
[2:10:54] dollars a month. I don't just say if there should
[2:10:57] be looking at that, but we should not be the
[2:10:59] only resource. And as I agree with both of you
[2:11:01] going is town on, because they're coming town because we're
[2:11:04] the easy one player. And it's easy to come to
[2:11:07] town and say, Oh, we want to use this, this,
[2:11:09] and this line. I mean, originally thought the reason this
[2:11:11] is on the agenda is because I'm one in wise
[2:11:13] hillside closed in the middle of summer. And no one's
[2:11:15] told me about it. And I, again, I'm like, wow.
[2:11:18] Um, well, the other thing we, we could be doing
[2:11:20] is sort of thinking about how do we incentivize some
[2:11:22] of the private owners to say, look, and that's what
[2:11:24] I'm going as a part of our policy is how
[2:11:25] can we stand by or assist them to make movement
[2:11:29] in that direction so that we're working together to achieve
[2:11:32] a challenge? Yeah. I would point out also that the
[2:11:37] yield walk bike ride plan, uh, the mobility hub, the
[2:11:41] reason, I mean, there was a policy place for why
[2:11:44] that, all that charging stuff happened, why that mobility hub
[2:11:48] happened at the CRC because the things in the walk
[2:11:51] bike ripeling that call out for things like that. And
[2:11:53] it happened to all come together in that one particular
[2:11:56] instance. But hopefully we can be looking for more opportunities
[2:11:59] like that. Yeah, I appreciate that. That's some good, good
[2:12:02] comments there. Um. You brought up the idea of a
[2:12:07] study. This is one of the things I was going
[2:12:08] to suggest if I didn't hear it. Is there's, um,
[2:12:14] we don't, we know we have strong parking demand. There's
[2:12:18] a lot of need in this town. Seasonal need that
[2:12:20] changes. Um, and the EV charging stations obviously impact that.
[2:12:25] But the benefit to it because the percentage of the
[2:12:27] people who are looking for it. Are they in the
[2:12:30] right locations? Are they in the right place? Um, to
[2:12:33] be determined. Um, back at the envelope town has about
[2:12:37] 950 spaces that were responsible for in the summertime that
[2:12:41] are publicly maintained between our facilities or parks. The street
[2:12:46] parking that is formalized with signs. Um, not talking about
[2:12:50] the stuff around the ski area and the wintertime, just
[2:12:52] the formal stuff. I'm 950 spaces. So quite a bit.
[2:12:57] And we've got about 37 of those spaces in cumber
[2:12:59] right now. So it's a small percentage, but it does
[2:13:01] have an impact. And where you place them obviously has
[2:13:06] an impact. Um, you kind of almost mentioned economic development.
[2:13:11] I think it's a mix. People want them and then
[2:13:13] they don't want them. I think there's a desire because
[2:13:15] it drives traffic to business. But also encumbers the parking
[2:13:18] so other people can't get it. So there's a balance
[2:13:21] there that I can't quantify. I think it would be
[2:13:26] worthwhile to talk to some experts about that and get
[2:13:29] some information from the public and how they feel about
[2:13:31] it. So if we talk about studies, would it be
[2:13:34] possible to look at where the electrical infrastructure exists such
[2:13:40] that, okay, irregardless whose property is this is a good
[2:13:44] opportunity. That would be a good opportunity. That might be
[2:13:46] a good place to kind of start. Yeah. Where the
[2:13:47] circuitry is. Yeah. Cause that's definitely an issue. They're looking
[2:13:50] for, it's very expensive to move that kind of architecture
[2:13:54] around. It's just a little challenge sometimes because I mean,
[2:13:57] we do studies on lots of different things in this
[2:13:59] town. And what's going to take in this regard, in
[2:14:03] my opinion, is relationships with businesses to say just like
[2:14:07] the bond shopping market and other locations, maybe this place,
[2:14:12] that you got to work with them and say, okay,
[2:14:14] how can we make this happen? We can do a
[2:14:16] study as we should have them all here, here, here,
[2:14:18] because these are hubs. But that may not be the
[2:14:19] location that way they can be into because no one's
[2:14:22] willing to talk about downtown plan. We've been, we put
[2:14:25] that out. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm not
[2:14:27] talking about planning study. It's a very, an inventory. Perhaps
[2:14:31] of where is the electrical infrastructure existing? That's right. As
[2:14:37] I heard study. That's why I'm just, maybe we afraid
[2:14:39] it's a decision making tool, right? We're kind of in
[2:14:41] a vacuum right now. We've got some really good questions.
[2:14:43] We know that there's a need out there, but we're
[2:14:45] not in this position to really provide good recommendations or
[2:14:48] guidance from either side right now. Um, we're trying to
[2:14:51] do the best we can with what we understand is
[2:14:54] the demand in the need, but it's not quantifiable. I
[2:14:56] mean, we don't haven't gone out to the community and
[2:14:59] talked to them about this stuff. Well, the only other,
[2:15:02] on a sort of a side note to that is
[2:15:04] that whatever chargers like Tesla is putting in, this whole,
[2:15:08] whatever the mystery is about Tesla only, they can't put
[2:15:12] in Tesla only chargers. And maybe because the technology's advanced
[2:15:16] and the point now where you, any Tesla charger, any
[2:15:18] vehicle with adapters or whatever will be able to use
[2:15:20] it. What I'm out there driving around, you run into
[2:15:24] Tesla lots that they say, Oh no, only, only Tesla
[2:15:27] users can use this. And I don't know if that's
[2:15:29] a technological problem or if that's, if that's a Tesla
[2:15:32] corporate thing that they're saying, they're reserving it for their
[2:15:34] vehicles. I think that that should be, if they're putting
[2:15:37] things in here, like if you've got the adapter, if
[2:15:39] you've got whatever, it's open to all vehicles. Because we
[2:15:42] can't afford to have like, you know, charges for this
[2:15:44] kind of car and they charge it for that kind
[2:15:46] of car. It's that we should be as universal as
[2:15:48] possible. Exactly. They made that commitment. Okay. Um, when I
[2:15:51] talked to them, that was one of the issues we,
[2:15:53] we brought up because years ago we were having these
[2:15:56] conversations about testing that we didn't have the Rivian or
[2:15:59] the Electrify America, the EV range opportunities that are coming
[2:16:03] online. This was a major issue. We didn't have fast
[2:16:06] DC charging for other vehicles. So, um, they were willing
[2:16:10] to, in the agreements, make the chargers available to all
[2:16:13] OEM and ACS standard product on the Disney architecture. Is
[2:16:20] this a space that other municipalities are like making agreements
[2:16:26] in? Or I mean, I guess I feel like I
[2:16:27] don't have an electric car, but I feel like I
[2:16:30] noticed them mainly at like businesses and not at public
[2:16:35] parks or, you know, parking lots. For example, like if
[2:16:40] you go to Las Vegas, like huge EV traffic going
[2:16:44] back and forth. Tesla goes and finds a place. And
[2:16:48] they set up 50 chargers. It's the kind of thing
[2:16:51] that, and think of us as a destination. And we're
[2:16:55] going to get these surges of people coming up here
[2:16:58] with those vehicles. And that's the demand I think you're
[2:17:01] talking about. We need to figure out a way to
[2:17:03] sound. But when you say Tesla finds a space. Like
[2:17:06] they purchased land and put in their own chargers or
[2:17:10] are they, you know, getting Nevada and putting it on
[2:17:15] the city's property and not paying them anything and saying
[2:17:18] that. I don't know. We're going to let everybody charge
[2:17:20] their charge for free. And then we're starting to. There
[2:17:23] is a private sector incentive for this. And the question
[2:17:26] is scale and volume. And I think we're getting into
[2:17:30] that neighborhood where I think we can start to say,
[2:17:33] hi, you've got to demand for your users. Great. We're
[2:17:35] not going to just give you public property over and
[2:17:38] over again to do that. We need to start refining
[2:17:40] away, even if it's more incentivizing taking public money and
[2:17:44] incentivizing to put it on non - public infrastructure, start
[2:17:48] thinking about doing those in those kinds of ways. Because
[2:17:51] like I was approached by EV several years ago and
[2:17:54] their deal was we want to put in a property,
[2:17:56] but we're going to pay you per kilowatt usage of
[2:17:58] the device as our rent. Yeah. So they were paying
[2:18:02] for the paper and it became an income source for
[2:18:05] a private enterprise. Yeah. So I think the market is
[2:18:08] opening up in such a way that we can, we
[2:18:10] don't have to be incentivizing just nakedly with our public
[2:18:12] assets. Uh, we can try to find a way to
[2:18:16] have a conversation on these things. And I'll add and
[2:18:18] I mentioned this in the staff report that there are
[2:18:19] some, some state law that require streamlining and processing for
[2:18:24] these types of applications, uh, for electric vehicle charging on
[2:18:27] private property. Um, but what I've been told is that
[2:18:30] the maintenance costs, um, this normal movable cost. And those
[2:18:34] obligations outweighed the value of the rent. So maybe I'll,
[2:18:39] and the deserts, you know, in between Las Vegas, it's
[2:18:42] cheap to buy land. And it's easy to encumbrate the
[2:18:45] land here is extremely valuable and to encumber it for
[2:18:48] a small lease payment for an EV charger is not
[2:18:50] as exciting. But we don't really know what it would
[2:18:53] take to incentivize to turn, to make that difference, um,
[2:18:57] for a private business or a bond or a larger
[2:19:00] parking lot. We don't know. Well, it'd be interesting to
[2:19:03] start talking to the private landscape. The Vaughns or the,
[2:19:08] you know, everybody, the good book, talk to those parking
[2:19:11] lot people and say, look, what do you, how can
[2:19:13] we, how did good life, I mean, it was a
[2:19:15] good life to put the Rivian charges there. Was it
[2:19:17] the landlord? No, it's the landlord. Okay. So that. What
[2:19:20] deal do they make. Great question. Yeah. Um, so I'm
[2:19:24] hearing the consensus I'm probably trying to put something together
[2:19:27] to understand this better. Call it a decision document study,
[2:19:32] whatever. I can do this through the LTC. We have
[2:19:35] funding available and do this type of transportation work. It's
[2:19:38] not something that's going to happen tomorrow because we are
[2:19:40] a little busy with, uh, a lot of different things.
[2:19:43] But if I'm getting, definitely you're nodding your head. I
[2:19:47] just feel like it's kind of like I don't know
[2:19:49] that we're going to be able to come up with
[2:19:51] a document that is going to guide us on every
[2:19:54] parking decision, you know, doing that as I feel like,
[2:19:59] um, I definitely, if you mean doing a study, like
[2:20:02] you're going to put some things together, I would be
[2:20:05] supportive of that. But if you mean like doing a
[2:20:07] study like hiring a consultant and getting their expert advice,
[2:20:11] I would not be interested in that. I would say,
[2:20:13] I think that kind of like each electric vehicle charging
[2:20:17] station potential idea would need to come before the council.
[2:20:21] And it would be decided on a case by case.
[2:20:23] Basis. That would be my preference. I'm here a little
[2:20:28] bit different. I'm hearing age you're saying do an inventory
[2:20:30] of what we have. Come with some recommendations of where
[2:20:35] it goes. But I'm looking for me personally, policy is
[2:20:38] not aware they actually go. It's like we want to
[2:20:40] encourage that we're going to work with local businesses. We
[2:20:42] want to encourage that we keep up with, um, having
[2:20:46] the proper number of E stations that are multiversal. So
[2:20:49] we aren't stuck in one area. And place them more
[2:20:53] appropriate that makes sense for the community or try to
[2:20:55] encourage them what makes sense community. And that may not
[2:20:57] be on our property. Correct. Or maybe on property. I
[2:21:01] just, but that can't always be we can't always fulfill
[2:21:04] the demand. Using what we have. Yeah. When I'm talking
[2:21:09] about this document, whatever it is, I am looking at
[2:21:12] hiring a consultant because it's not something that I believe
[2:21:16] I have the expertise to put together. Um, the reason
[2:21:19] for it is because I can't make a good recommendation.
[2:21:22] I'm not in a position to tell you if this
[2:21:24] is a good deal or a bad deal. If this
[2:21:26] is the best thing for the community or the worst
[2:21:27] thing for the community, I don't have, I don't have
[2:21:30] the information. I don't know. I can't quantify the impact.
[2:21:33] I can't tell you the economic benefit. I can't tell
[2:21:36] you the value of loss of land that's being cumbered.
[2:21:39] I'm just not in a good spot to make a
[2:21:41] recommendation. I think the first four, the first couple were
[2:21:43] really easy because we, but the last one was really
[2:21:46] challenging. I felt like we really kind of struggled to
[2:21:49] get to a decision on that. And when this, they
[2:21:53] approached me this last time, I told them flat out.
[2:21:56] I'm like, I don't, I don't know. I can't tell
[2:21:58] you if this is a good idea or a bad
[2:22:00] idea. I just don't really have a background. So when
[2:22:03] we're talking about putting a study together, I'm looking at
[2:22:06] someone who's going to look at the economics who's going
[2:22:09] to look at the impact of parking. Some really interesting
[2:22:12] stuff that may be coming out from the state on
[2:22:14] climate that I heard about related to the value of
[2:22:18] each EV charging stations versus mobility hubs. That the higher
[2:22:22] priority on the, I've heard some interesting things that I
[2:22:26] would want someone to dig into and put a document
[2:22:28] together so that the next time this comes forward, I
[2:22:31] can say, Hey, based on this, here's, here's some better
[2:22:35] data to make a decision. I think, I think what
[2:22:36] we, what we need, I think what we all need
[2:22:38] is, is a basic decision matrix to figure out how
[2:22:40] to, you know, when an operating comes forward, okay, is
[2:22:43] it this? Is it that and be able to prioritize
[2:22:45] things? And it's a rapidly changing environment. And just one
[2:22:49] last thought is I've heard, you know, the Bicera, you
[2:22:51] know, likely the next governor. Oh, we're going to make
[2:22:54] our meet our electric vehicle mandates by 2040 whatever it
[2:22:58] is. I mean, the state is still actively pursuit of
[2:23:00] these goals, which means subsidies, which means opportunities and things
[2:23:04] like that. But Rob, I'm sorry. Yeah, no, I was
[2:23:06] just going to make a couple of comments. I think
[2:23:07] it's a good dialogue. Essentially, you know, we're always unique,
[2:23:12] right? The town has limitations that don't exist in a
[2:23:15] lot of places. When you start talking about availability of
[2:23:18] land, you know, we don't have a space where they
[2:23:21] can put in, you know, 50 spaces or go acquire
[2:23:23] some land to do that. So it sort of put
[2:23:26] it on us to do that. We've got snow. Right.
[2:23:29] Much snow, snow removal issue. So I don't think there's
[2:23:32] anything outside of the town that supports what we should
[2:23:37] do when you talk about policy. We're not going to
[2:23:39] find it anywhere. Um, we're going to have to create
[2:23:42] the model that works for us. And I think what
[2:23:46] Hades is struggling to figure out is just what, what
[2:23:48] are the parameters around that? And I think we're going
[2:23:50] to have to probably invest in studies that talk about
[2:23:55] our unique situations. And gives us those, those guidelines. Cause
[2:24:01] that's what we're exactly what we're looking for. It's like
[2:24:03] when, when an opportunity arises, what are the questions we
[2:24:06] need to ask? What are our marching orders that we
[2:24:08] need to put it into? So, um, I think we're
[2:24:11] going to need that in order to really come up
[2:24:14] with something unique for the town. I'd also like to
[2:24:18] encourage, you know, I think the grid opportunity for individual
[2:24:21] business owners to make investments that make them more attractive
[2:24:27] to people that have those types of vehicles and set
[2:24:29] themselves up for the future, but they also run into,
[2:24:33] you know, the limitations of what they have in their
[2:24:34] own parking lot grappling with the question of whether they
[2:24:37] should dedicate or not, uh, and then going back to
[2:24:40] the cost of snow removal. I think in that space,
[2:24:44] a decision that has to be made around what is
[2:24:47] the price point for that particular spot? Because you've got
[2:24:50] to cover the cost operationally as well as provide for
[2:24:54] a little bit more. So in all aspects, things are
[2:24:57] going to have to move. And we have the answers
[2:25:00] to none of it. And so the funding for this
[2:25:05] come out of the LTC? Yes. Okay. Yeah. I guess
[2:25:09] I just feel like is a consultant going to. Understand
[2:25:14] that we're on island in the forest and that there's
[2:25:17] no parking. I mean, 950 spaces for 9, 000 residents.
[2:25:23] That's not a lot of spaces. Yeah. Um, I feel
[2:25:29] that we'll be able to find somebody who is knowledgeable
[2:25:31] in this space and can help us put something together.
[2:25:34] There's a number of consultants we work with that really
[2:25:37] understand Mammoth and the challenges here. That I would be
[2:25:40] comfortable in talking to about something like this and putting
[2:25:43] to work on a scope. Um, again, it's not going
[2:25:46] to happen tomorrow. This is something that's going to have
[2:25:48] to get programmed into the overall work program at the
[2:25:50] LTC. And won't happen tomorrow. Um, but I think it
[2:25:55] would be valuable to get some of this information. Cause
[2:25:58] I don't think this will be the last time a
[2:26:00] request is before us. Um, and I think and hopefully
[2:26:04] the market demand is going to start to increase. And
[2:26:07] then we've got something in place that can help us
[2:26:09] navigate that. But would future requests still come before the
[2:26:13] Council? If you hire consultant and come with, like get
[2:26:16] us a great playbook and this is what you should
[2:26:18] do. And this is what it's worth. Like those questions
[2:26:22] of should we put an EV station here? That would
[2:26:25] still come before the Council or would then staff just
[2:26:27] decide? No. Staff, um, doesn't have the unilateral authority to
[2:26:32] make those decisions on the use of public land, our
[2:26:36] town property. So any decision would have to come before
[2:26:39] Council for any agreements or executed. I think we'd just
[2:26:43] be in a better position to say these are good
[2:26:45] spots for these. These are bad spots for these. We
[2:26:47] have good public support. This is good economic development. Um,
[2:26:51] it's, it's they can frame it up and know what
[2:26:54] they're doing. We can give you a better. I'm fine.
[2:26:57] I'm fine doing the consultant as long as like the
[2:26:59] ultimate approval comes before council before we do any more
[2:27:04] EV parking stations. So thank you. Uh, that is actually
[2:27:10] very helpful to have some support and a little bit
[2:27:12] of guidance in that space. That's something that we'll start
[2:27:14] framing up. Um, I do need to deal with the
[2:27:17] request in front of me. We don't have to make
[2:27:21] any decisions today. Um, but I will ultimately have to
[2:27:26] get them an answer on whether or not we're going
[2:27:29] to work with them on expansion change leases, um, payments
[2:27:34] and all that kind of fun stuff. Okay. But at
[2:27:36] this point you don't have a proposal. You do have
[2:27:38] a site. I have, yes. They, they want, they would
[2:27:41] expand at either location right now if we would allow
[2:27:44] them to. My personal opinion is that the CRC is
[2:27:48] too encumbered into allow for any expansion. If we did
[2:27:52] anything there, I would say convert the universal chargers to
[2:27:55] fast DC chargers that were accessible by all vehicles. That
[2:27:58] would be a recommendation. Um, I think the park and
[2:28:02] right lot continues to be underutilized. I said this in
[2:28:05] the staff report. We've gone through an exercise of trying
[2:28:08] to make it more interesting mobility hub. But for whatever
[2:28:11] reason, it does not get utilized. I think pushing the
[2:28:14] EV traffic there rather than in the village or other
[2:28:17] locations to me makes sense. That's just anecdotal. I don't
[2:28:20] have the data to really. So if I could just
[2:28:25] as an example, um, I think it would make sense
[2:28:29] to at the CRC not add anything new, but update
[2:28:32] your infrastructure. Okay. Good. No net loss there. The parking
[2:28:38] ride lot. You spend time, I used to get my
[2:28:43] acupuncturist was over there. It spent a lot of time
[2:28:45] in that lot. So I see what was happening in
[2:28:47] the parking ride lot, which is analogous at that thing
[2:28:50] that was making that Las Vegas example before Sunday afternoons,
[2:28:54] people leaving the destination, they're in that lot charging their
[2:28:57] vehicles to drive to LA. So if that's a place
[2:28:59] that's underutilized and the lot of competing interests, that might
[2:29:03] be a place to consider to add some more chargers.
[2:29:06] But I guess one thing that I'd like to bring
[2:29:08] up is with the Town Office is moving and there
[2:29:10] is limited parking at that Civic Center area. Don't we
[2:29:14] expect to be using the parking ride lot for staff
[2:29:17] parking more in the future. I think some. I can't
[2:29:23] remember the number I've thought of my head. I think
[2:29:24] the 50 or 60 spaces in there. And we'll have,
[2:29:28] um, 16, 24 of them would be if we were
[2:29:31] to expand could be encumbered by EV chargers. So that
[2:29:35] would bring it down to how many spaces for non
[2:29:38] EV cars. Don't quote me on the number around 30,
[2:29:42] 35, not including the street parking. So the proposal though
[2:29:45] right now is for eight state. Eight charting. They would
[2:29:49] go, they would do 40 if you'd let them. But
[2:29:51] I think eight a block of eight is a reasonable.
[2:29:55] If I were to make a recommendation in a vacuum,
[2:29:58] I think eight is a reasonable. I think getting the
[2:30:01] architecture upgraded to allow for other vehicles make sense. And
[2:30:04] the ability for us to renegotiate our leases to get
[2:30:07] payment. If we were to expand could be a little
[2:30:12] over 90, 000 dollars a year, which we could potentially
[2:30:15] use for incentives or other things in a program or
[2:30:19] offset maintenance costs, whatever you guys decide. But it's, it's
[2:30:23] opportunity that we don't have right now. Cause I drive
[2:30:25] by that a lot of a fair amount. And what
[2:30:27] I see those cars will park those charging stations and
[2:30:29] they're there for like two days. I mean, I'll get
[2:30:32] in charge or charge. They're just sitting there and no
[2:30:34] one else can pull in. So I don't know if
[2:30:37] that is a good or bad thing, but they're stuck
[2:30:39] in the parking spots. The rest of the lot seems
[2:30:42] like the sum availability that's not. It's probably impacted from
[2:30:44] the neighborhood. Yeah. Not enough. We have a large portion
[2:30:47] of that lock carved out for the hospital and the
[2:30:51] town hall contractors to park off site. So we've given
[2:30:55] them permit to use. A nice chunk of that just
[2:30:58] to mitigate the impact of the surrounded demoni and the
[2:31:02] courts while that construction activities. But that'll be over. That'll
[2:31:05] be over next year. So I don't know. I think
[2:31:10] that if you were to bring back a proposal along
[2:31:13] those lines, I'd like to see something like that. If
[2:31:17] for the parking ride. No, for starting with CRC, just
[2:31:21] no net loss of spaces, update your equipment, renegotiate leases,
[2:31:25] bring some money in off of that. If that could
[2:31:27] be in the deal, that sounds interesting. And then Park
[2:31:30] and Riot, I think, um, if the, I mean, you
[2:31:33] heard the concerns here, but the way to put something
[2:31:36] in there that's going to be consistent with the use.
[2:31:39] We could send me to talk about. We could figure
[2:31:40] out what we want to do that or not. Yeah.
[2:31:43] I'm not going to guess looking at that. And I'm
[2:31:45] not sure as quite enough money from where I've been
[2:31:49] thinking. But I think that if we could get the
[2:31:50] money from the four non charging station universal is at
[2:31:53] the CRC may not be a bad exchange for, cause
[2:31:56] then we start getting in, if we can start generating
[2:31:58] some revenue and use that for incentives to get it
[2:32:00] on non public places, then maybe, maybe we're getting into
[2:32:03] something that we can develop down the road. But I,
[2:32:06] but for me, I'm more interested in like eight slots
[2:32:09] there, not 40 in the parking ride. Oh yeah. Yeah.
[2:32:12] I feel like I don't have a good visual of
[2:32:15] what they're asking at the parking ring. Like and what
[2:32:17] we've already said, yeah, I think I've got enough here.
[2:32:20] Okay. I'm hearing we'll work on some scope for study
[2:32:24] later date. Let me go talk to the rep at
[2:32:27] Tesla. Let's see if we can get some deal points
[2:32:29] together. And I'll bring it back with some mapping and
[2:32:33] some, some more information. And then you guys can chew
[2:32:36] on it at that time. There's no need to make
[2:32:38] a decision tonight. Okay. It's been very helpful. Yeah. This
[2:32:42] has been very helpful. Thank you very much. Um, do
[2:32:45] you guys want to take a break or should we
[2:32:47] do the next? Can we do a quick break. Okay.
[2:32:50] Let's do a five minute break. Okay. Great. Thank you.
[2:33:06] I never said that. Richard
[2:33:16] Sartin. Yeah. I was looking for you online. I didn't
[2:33:22] know if I was quote for me raised my answer
[2:33:24] or not. So yes, you should. Okay. There should have
[2:33:31] been changed. Cookies. You know, it's what the, okay, good.
[2:33:37] Thank you. So we didn't have to come on that.
[2:33:44] We come back and come on. We should come back
[2:33:48] to this house. Oh, okay.
[2:34:11] So John, I didn't see this gentleman in the room.
[2:34:17] I was looking for him online. Recognize your t -
[2:34:19] shirt on your logo there. So if you had to
[2:34:23] be technical questions for him. Just a drive a bolt
[2:34:28] and I arrive at some of your charging stations for
[2:34:30] Tesla only. Now is that a technical thing or is
[2:34:33] that a corporate decision that we just want to make
[2:34:36] these for Tesla vehicles. That need to just not compatible.
[2:34:40] Okay. Good. Why we're coming to the town. Right. So
[2:34:45] that's exactly what we want to do. Because you've heard
[2:34:48] in the discussion, very limited real estate. And so we
[2:34:51] don't want to have, you got to go to five
[2:34:53] different places. If we can do that, I would support
[2:34:56] upgrading that. So my bolt, my little adapter, I can
[2:34:59] plug in and I'm happy. And yeah, and I appreciate
[2:35:04] the first choices to try to win the city as
[2:35:07] an hour pain. Originally, these were zero deals. Right. We're
[2:35:14] making money. Right. Well, if you can, if we can
[2:35:17] figure out a way to take the money that we're,
[2:35:19] you heard the discussion, if we can take the money
[2:35:21] that we're working, say a little bit of public infrastructure.
[2:35:24] And we can start going out to, you guys can
[2:35:26] figure out where's the infrastructure already at, put it here,
[2:35:30] put it there. Then we're going to get, then we're
[2:35:33] in business. That's where we want to get to. Part
[2:35:36] of the reason to do the study. Hey Brent. Yeah.
[2:35:39] This gentleman here is nice to meet you. I didn't
[2:35:41] see him. In the audience. I was looking for a
[2:35:44] comment. I didn't have a conversation. I know. I appreciate
[2:35:54] you looking at it. We do. We, when do you
[2:36:01] say non - exclusive? We mean that we're open to
[2:36:04] all EV providers. A lot of these people write it
[2:36:07] right in under exclusively. Which I'm going to like the
[2:36:12] more there. So electricity. So what you see, but also
[2:36:27] that's the reason we're coming to you. All these consequences
[2:36:36] as our. What means Evie go and come to you
[2:36:40] and say, do you want to do Brent said? We
[2:36:47] use dot exclusive in all of our greens for all
[2:36:51] these purposes so that different.
[2:37:01] How's your break. Summer? No, you're for your five minute
[2:37:06] break. Did you, did you get a summer break. Well,
[2:37:10] we went back. Well, that's great. And we're totally open.
[2:37:17] That means for you it starts tomorrow, right? Good luck.
[2:38:13] No. Okay. Okay. Okay. We are back. And we are
[2:38:21] on to item 8. 3, understanding credit rating, standard and
[2:38:24] pores rating review with Lauren Warhamme.
[2:38:44] My first presentations, the technological. So don't say anything because
[2:38:49] some other people take like 20 minutes. So what you're
[2:38:51] doing great. Well, as long as we don't mind that
[2:38:52] talking up there. It's not up there. No, that isn't
[2:38:55] true. It's just for you. Oh. Okay. Just wanted to
[2:39:00] distract you while you were doing that. So thank you.
[2:39:03] Mayor. At the Council members. I will walk you through.
[2:39:06] Our credit rating review with Standard and Borus, also known
[2:39:09] as SMP. One of the nation's leading independent credit rating
[2:39:13] agencies. This review is an essential part of maintaining retells
[2:39:17] financial credibility and ensuring continued access. To low cost firing.
[2:39:24] SOVA evaluates the ability of public and private organizations to
[2:39:28] repay. There. You go. Agency's typically complete a credit review
[2:39:35] when issuing new debt to assist with bond sales on
[2:39:38] the open market and through ongoing annual updates for secondary
[2:39:42] market trading. In many ways, the rating functions. The rating
[2:39:47] functions as an objective financial report card to the community.
[2:39:57] SMP assesses the town's overall credit worthiness. A strong rating
[2:40:02] signals fiscal responsibility to both rating. I'm not sure that
[2:40:08] went forward. Sorry, I should have numbered my slides. So
[2:40:17] start over on that. A strong rating signals fiscal responsibility
[2:40:20] to both residents and investors influencing investor confidence. And ultimately
[2:40:28] affecting our borrowing cost. Because the rating agency directly impacts
[2:40:34] the interest rate that we do pay on bonds. It
[2:40:37] influences the cost of major capital projects such as infrastructure.
[2:40:42] Public safety facilities and community improvements. A higher rating reduces
[2:40:47] long - term taxpayer cost and can also remove the
[2:40:51] need for bond insurance or debt service reserve requirements. The
[2:40:56] review process begins with a written request for financial documents
[2:41:01] and information. And SMPanalyst review these materials, then conduct a
[2:41:06] follow - up meeting with staff. To clarify details and
[2:41:09] gather additional context. Staff can provide further information to support
[2:41:14] the town's strongest possible rating. The SMP analyst then presents
[2:41:19] our full profile to an internal SMP committee. Which votes
[2:41:23] on whether to upgrade, downgrade, or maintain the rating. The
[2:41:28] final rating and written rationale are published in an SMP
[2:41:31] analyst continues to monitor the town with annual updates. We
[2:41:38] provided information on several key areas. Local economic conditions, including
[2:41:43] employment, tax - based stability, tourism trends, and tax -
[2:41:47] based diversity. Management and government's practices, including financial policies, short
[2:41:52] - term planning, transparency, and council oversight. Budgetary performance, such
[2:41:59] as revenue and expenditure trends, forecasting structural balance and compliance
[2:42:04] with our reserve policy. Budgetary and reserve flexibility, including liquidity,
[2:42:11] fund balances, and our ability to respond to economic changes
[2:42:14] over the long term. Long - term liabilities, including bonds,
[2:42:18] pension obligations, and other commitments. And the institutional framework for
[2:42:23] California Local Governments. This year, SMP upgraded the Town COP's
[2:42:30] rating to A - plus from single A with a
[2:42:34] stable outlook. So great news there. The published report highlighted
[2:42:39] several strengths of the town, a stable, diverse local economy,
[2:42:44] supported by both residents and visitors. Strong and consistent TOT
[2:42:48] performance and conservative budgeting, a small and manageable debt burden.
[2:42:55] Robust financial policies and internal management. Healthy reserve levels and
[2:43:00] active wildfire mitigation and prevention efforts. SMP also noted opportunities
[2:43:07] for potential future upgrades, including adopting long - term financial
[2:43:11] planning and forecasting tools, strengthening internal controls, and financial processes.
[2:43:17] They also mentioned the town's reliance on tourism driven revenues,
[2:43:21] which can fluctuate based on whether economic conditions. They pointed
[2:43:28] out that a broader base of year - round residents
[2:43:31] generally creates more stable revenue trends over time. To be
[2:43:35] clear, this is not a recommendation for locals to pay
[2:43:37] more in taxes. It's simply an observation that communities with
[2:43:41] a larger resident tax base tend to see less voluntarily
[2:43:45] overall. And as town council. Your oversight is vital. To
[2:43:53] sustaining long - term financial stability. And this includes adopting
[2:43:57] responsible short and long - term plans and policies. Approving
[2:44:02] a balanced fiscally sustainable budget that meets community needs over
[2:44:06] time and help moderate tourism - related volatility. Maintaining adequate
[2:44:12] reserve levels. Exercising prudent debt approval. Supporting responsible economic development,
[2:44:19] and ensuring transparency in financial reporting. So thank you for
[2:44:23] your time tonight, and I welcome any questions or comments.
[2:44:26] Any questions? A couple other ones. So what we got
[2:44:30] upgraded, what does that mean economically? What kind of rate
[2:44:34] reduction would we potentially see like on a bond, et
[2:44:37] cetera? For each rate, we go up how much better
[2:44:40] are we in getting rates. So we do have fixed
[2:44:43] rate bonds, so it won't impact us right away. However,
[2:44:46] if the market does change and say rates come down,
[2:44:49] that would allow some opportunities to potentially refinance at a
[2:44:52] savings. And the higher rate you have, the more investor
[2:44:56] confidence. And so that would be basically realized savings in
[2:45:03] terms of we should get a lower rate based on
[2:45:05] our higher credit rating. Right, so we're not with a
[2:45:08] new bond right now. We in theory get a better
[2:45:11] rate than what we were before, because we got a
[2:45:14] slightly better rating standpoint. Even though the existing rating, as
[2:45:19] well now, is really not what I call excellent, but
[2:45:22] it's very good. There's a time when we didn't have
[2:45:25] as good a rating in this community. This is a
[2:45:28] strong rating, and you are absolutely correct that the two
[2:45:31] ways it could benefit us. If the market moves, you
[2:45:35] know, far enough that we can realize savings or for
[2:45:37] any new debt issuance if we contemplate issuing any new
[2:45:41] debt. And I'm not sure Ms. Pallies, but like a
[2:45:44] private business is it's not yearly review. It's multiple a
[2:45:47] year. Is that the same way with like SAP? Would
[2:45:50] we get reviewed next year at the same time? Or
[2:45:51] is it five years or 10 years? What would be
[2:45:54] the next logical timeframe, or do we request that? So
[2:45:57] what I'm typically used to is getting evaluated on an
[2:45:59] annual basis. And then also any new debt issuances. It
[2:46:03] sounds like our past history is every other year, um,
[2:46:06] but we also issued the new 2024 COPs. So it
[2:46:11] may be an annual review. Yes, so the monitoring, as
[2:46:16] Lauren indicated, the monitoring is an annual process, but that's
[2:46:18] more of an analyst at SMP that's focused on, you
[2:46:22] know, what's going on and making sure they have situational
[2:46:24] awareness. I think they can trigger, you know, if the
[2:46:27] drastic changes that go on that can trigger some other
[2:46:29] opportunities to review us. But all things considered every two
[2:46:34] years is what we've had. And then, you know, with
[2:46:37] any issuances. And my last one is just, you know,
[2:46:42] it's not always directly related, but it is. If we
[2:46:44] were to have a large incendiary event within a close
[2:46:50] proximity, could that potentially impact our rating just from, I
[2:46:56] call it sort of disaster. I don't want to say
[2:46:58] a disaster. A significant, um, impact. If we had a
[2:47:02] forest fire that was, that was there. Does that have
[2:47:06] strictly just economic driven? Because what I'm used to in
[2:47:09] private industry, it's all economic. And now it's kind of
[2:47:13] changed. I didn't know if they incorporate into climate adaptation,
[2:47:18] things that happen that might impact the rating. That's specifically
[2:47:22] why we mentioned the wildfire mitigation efforts that we're using.
[2:47:26] Um, because when we're assessing risk to our ability to
[2:47:30] continue to perform our revenue generating functions, which is having
[2:47:34] people come visit the town, right? So I would say
[2:47:37] that a fire in a near proximity, probably not have
[2:47:42] an impact on that. If some of the infrastructure or
[2:47:46] landscape right around the town in our, you know, playground,
[2:47:49] if you will, were to burn up, then that would
[2:47:51] have an impact directly on our ability to generate that,
[2:47:54] or something, anything on the ski resort. Um, so I
[2:47:57] think when we started talking about the wildfire mitigation efforts
[2:48:00] to protect us from that, potential, that's where, you know,
[2:48:04] Zorn adequately noted, it helped to who we are rating.
[2:48:09] Yeah, and where's going subtle E on that is efforts
[2:48:13] like white bark, another organization, it's actually help our potentially
[2:48:16] help our credit rating down the road. It has other
[2:48:18] impacts versus just safety itself. Now I just make. Any
[2:48:26] other questions for Lauren? Um, where are we at with
[2:48:30] the judgment. Payoff? And is that I'm assuming that's factored
[2:48:33] in the director. You guys are representing that to the
[2:48:36] credit folks. And that it's stable day down. And it's
[2:48:41] on the books. You can plug the hires. What's that?
[2:48:44] You can plug the higher upgrade. We got upgraded on
[2:48:46] the judgment as well. Yeah. So the two rating increases
[2:48:50] on that particular one. I think it's a, it's a
[2:48:52] double A minus, um, so it's even higher. Um, and
[2:48:56] absolutely. Yeah. We make the debt service payment on the
[2:48:58] annual basis. There's no opportunity to pay anything down in
[2:49:01] early. Um, there's a call that comes usually at 10
[2:49:03] years. Uh, that, that debt itself will be satisfied. I
[2:49:07] think in 35, 36, um, and so it's, you know,
[2:49:11] 10 years out, um, but doing well, it's saving us
[2:49:14] 130, 000 dollars a year from with the original was.
[2:49:17] So really a good program and excellent effort that Dan
[2:49:21] put together when he was telling manager here. That's all
[2:49:24] 500. And then hang off the CRC with Measure, like
[2:49:28] the things, is that, does that help our debt ratings
[2:49:31] we issue dead pay it off? Everything's good. We do
[2:49:34] it again. That's, that's like a, like a school. It's
[2:49:37] like getting your similar to your personal. Yeah. Yeah. You
[2:49:41] demonstrating the ability to manage your debt, right? And as
[2:49:45] Lauren mentioned, you know, our debt is very, very small,
[2:49:48] frankly, in comparison to, uh, any municipality. And then when
[2:49:53] you demonstrate active management of that, where you're paying it
[2:49:56] off and then seeking to re - engage, like when
[2:50:00] we talk to Marty, our bond consultant, he expects to
[2:50:04] hear from us when this is paid off for looking
[2:50:07] at other opportunities and where we can engage and leverage
[2:50:10] the funds. Um, but yeah, measure R will pay off.
[2:50:14] I think it's next year that the, uh, the CRC
[2:50:16] debt pays off. No need to get into this now.
[2:50:19] But if we, uh, what's going on with the bond
[2:50:22] market, if you guys, we have any big capital family,
[2:50:26] we want to start thinking about doing these two late
[2:50:28] already. But, um. It's never too late to always be
[2:50:32] looking for potential market opportunities for saving. So, you know,
[2:50:37] that's, that is something that we should be working with
[2:50:38] our financial advisor on an ongoing basis for just any
[2:50:41] sort of market changes. I mean, the feds have been
[2:50:44] pretty stable recently. You know, they're not down or, you
[2:50:48] know, reducing the rates right now. But if we start
[2:50:52] to see them dropping 25 basis, you know, that's when
[2:50:55] it's time to reach out and say, are there any
[2:50:57] opportunities that, uh, would produce something worth savings of actually
[2:51:02] going through a refinery? So that's real scenes. It's going
[2:51:05] in the other direction. It's not going to move on
[2:51:08] to go. So it'll be good if you, when you
[2:51:10] guys get updates on that, you can share with us
[2:51:12] anyway. Sure. Okay. Any other questions. Any public comments on
[2:51:17] this issue online or in the room credit. Rate. Thank
[2:51:23] you for your presentation. Well, thank you for your questions.
[2:51:27] Okay. Uh, so we are on to item nine consent
[2:51:31] agenda. 9. 1 approve the minutes of the regular meeting
[2:51:35] of August 5th, 2026 9. 2. Oh, I like your
[2:51:39] screensaver there. That's not mine. That's Microsoft. Approve the resolution
[2:51:45] authorizing the purchase and sale of real property located at
[2:51:48] 550 Monostreet unit C201 in the Meridian Court Condominium Complex
[2:51:53] under the Town's Housing Now revolving loan fund program and
[2:51:57] bridge program. 9. 3 wave the reading and adopt by
[2:52:00] title only the ordinance amending section 2. 04. 040 of
[2:52:06] the Town of Mammoth Lakes Municipal Code related to Town
[2:52:09] Council Compensation 9. 4 update and request continuing approval for
[2:52:13] Airport Emergency Contract Work. 9. 5 authorized a professional services
[2:52:18] agreement with Lisa Weiss consulting ink for Mammoth Crossing Project
[2:52:23] Management Support. 9. 6 approve agreement with Mammoth Lakes Recreation,
[2:52:28] MLR to provide services related to management of Measure R
[2:52:32] and U funding for Recreation Arts and Culture and Mobility.
[2:52:36] 9. 7 reject all bids received for the 2026 fencing
[2:52:39] and railing project and rebid 9. 8. Except check register
[2:52:44] 7. 3026. In the amount of 598, 235 dollars and
[2:52:50] 63 cents register, uh, 8626 in the amount of 481,
[2:52:58] 995 dollars and 21 cents. Except check register 813 26
[2:53:04] in the amount of 879, 405 dollars in 54 cents.
[2:53:10] What anyone like to pull anything. Yes, I like to
[2:53:13] pull item 9. 5, please. Okay. Brent, are you pulling
[2:53:17] anything? No, not. Okay. Like motion to approve all the
[2:53:21] 9. 5 that was bolt. Would you like to second
[2:53:25] that motion, John? Yes, I will. Second roll call, please.
[2:53:28] Council member Wentworth? Yes. Mayor Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Mayor
[2:53:32] Rice. Yes. Okay. On to item 9. 5 authorize a
[2:53:37] professional services agreement with Lisa Wise Consulting, Incorporated for Mammoth
[2:53:41] Crossing Project Management Support. Thank you. Um, for this opportunity,
[2:53:47] I just wanted to give staff an opportunity to, um,
[2:53:49] share with us in the public rationale. The reason for
[2:53:53] this contract and what, uh, what the scope is and
[2:53:57] what you hope to accomplish with this. Sure. So this
[2:54:01] specific agreement would be for project management support specifically dedicated
[2:54:06] to the Mammoth Crossing Project, um, with larger projects, they
[2:54:11] can, um, such as this or such as the main
[2:54:13] lodge, we development project. They can, um, inundate a single
[2:54:19] staff member where it and that staff member is pulled
[2:54:22] and basically only working on that project. And that creates
[2:54:26] a problem within our department being a fairly small department.
[2:54:30] We don't have, um, staffing to commit someone fully to,
[2:54:34] you know, a project that potentially could take a year
[2:54:38] plus in the review process. Um, so in these cases,
[2:54:43] we often do look to contract out. The nice thing
[2:54:46] I'm working with Lisa Weiss Consulting is there one of
[2:54:50] their key employees was a previous employee of the town.
[2:54:55] So she's very familiar with the town. Um, she actually
[2:54:57] worked on the Mammoth Crossing District Zoning Amendment. And so
[2:55:03] it's very familiar opposite with the North Village plan. So
[2:55:05] it's not bringing someone in that has to not only
[2:55:07] get up to speed. It's someone who's already up to
[2:55:09] speed and can jump right in and provide that, um,
[2:55:12] level of support for the towns that we're not inundated.
[2:55:15] They also have additional resources. Obviously they can pull on.
[2:55:18] So additional staffers and others to assist with the work.
[2:55:21] And this is, um, different some of the other type
[2:55:24] projects like with the development agreement, things like that, where
[2:55:27] we're paying for it, right? The developer's not paying for
[2:55:29] this. Um, no, the developer is responsible just as any,
[2:55:33] um, whether it's staff managing the process or contract planner
[2:55:39] managing the process, they do, um. Compensate for that effort.
[2:55:45] So it's the same as any entitlement application, their responsible
[2:55:47] to pay for the services. Okay. So this, but it
[2:55:50] sounds like it'd be a little bit of a blend.
[2:55:52] Like there'll be helped me out here. Is it going
[2:55:55] to be all to the, to the proponent or is
[2:55:58] it going to be a mix? Some, yes, some no.
[2:56:01] No, they're responsible for a hundred percent of cost time
[2:56:04] of materials for processing their applications. Okay. And this is
[2:56:07] directly related to the processing of the application. Correct. So
[2:56:10] we were taking a deposit, not deposit would then be
[2:56:13] used to fund any invoices we get, whether it be
[2:56:18] from lease to ice consulting or attorneys who are assisting
[2:56:22] or providing legal, um, advice on the project, all of
[2:56:26] that is repaid by the applicant. And they, they obviously
[2:56:30] know that this is happening. Correct. Okay. All right. Those
[2:56:33] are my questions. I just like to accentuate a couple
[2:56:35] of comments too as well. Um, so, you know, the
[2:56:39] first and foremost is Nolan indicated this, this is capacity
[2:56:42] for the town, right? But that's great. It helps us
[2:56:47] with, um, highly professional services that they can provide. They
[2:56:51] do this much more frequently than we do. Um, but
[2:56:54] it also just is capacity. But the point I wanted
[2:56:56] to make is that the hiring of this consultant, while
[2:57:00] it is fully funded by the applicant in the process,
[2:57:03] um, is in support of the town, right? It is
[2:57:07] supporting our work, our efforts, both to be responsive to
[2:57:11] them and to make sure everything is accurate and complete.
[2:57:14] Um, and, and it's really for us, essentially. It's for
[2:57:19] the public interest. Yeah. It's definitely in the public interest
[2:57:21] that this is accomplished. So thanks for letting me make
[2:57:23] that point. Yep. Sure. Those are all my questions. Okay.
[2:57:27] Are there any public comments. No. Would you like to
[2:57:32] make a motion? Uh, yes. Madam Mayor, I would move
[2:57:34] that the town council authorized a professional services agreement with
[2:57:40] Lisa Weissons, subject to the Town Attorney's approval and finalization
[2:57:43] of the agreement for Mammoth Crossing Project Management Support. I
[2:57:48] will second that. Roll call, please. Councilmember Wentworth? Yes. Mayor
[2:57:52] Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Mayor Rice. Yes. Okay. Um, so
[2:57:56] we are on to item 10 policy matters. Item 10.
[2:58:00] 1. Consider the option agreement with the Mammoth Unified School
[2:58:03] District. MUSD for the MUSD parcel housing project. Um, and
[2:58:10] Andy, are you still with us. Still awake? Andy? Oh,
[2:58:14] we need a lawyer. He might be, I've been getting
[2:58:20] the room service coming out and he's like, what time
[2:58:23] is it in Alaska? Yes, I am. Um, I just,
[2:58:27] I, I know I've double checked with you before, but
[2:58:29] I am an MUSD employee. I don't be. What? What
[2:58:39] did you say? You are an ignorance to implement me.
[2:58:44] Uh, can you hear me? Yeah. I can hear you.
[2:58:46] I'm an MUSD employee. I don't I believe I don't
[2:58:50] have to recuse on this. You hear me? Yes. I
[2:58:53] can hear you. Can you hear us? Andy, can you
[2:58:56] hear us? I can hear you. Yes, you are. That's
[2:59:02] right. You don't have a conflict because income is not
[2:59:06] considered for purposes the conflict rules. Okay. Thank you. Thank
[2:59:11] you. No conflict. I'll text Rob. Okay. Thank you, Andy.
[2:59:18] Thanks. All right. Nolan. Great. Um, so yes, this item,
[2:59:27] we had an item a few months ago to talk
[2:59:29] about, um, at that point was a letter of intent
[2:59:34] to enter into future agreements with M - E -
[2:59:36] O - S. Um, so the purposes of those agreements
[2:59:39] is to, uh. Complete a land exchange between MUSD and
[2:59:45] the town. They have interest in acquiring land to build
[2:59:49] workforce housing for, um, that includes teacher, support staff. And
[2:59:55] others within the district. And the town has an interest
[2:59:58] in securing, uh, the recreation facility that's currently, the pickleball
[3:00:04] complex that's on MUSD LAN. Um, so through those efforts,
[3:00:09] we come to at least agreement amongst, um, staff as
[3:00:13] to that this is a, makes sense. We have land
[3:00:16] at the parcel that they could build on and they
[3:00:18] have the pickleball complex. So through further discussions and meeting
[3:00:23] weekly with their development team, um, and then on our
[3:00:28] side, it's been haze myself and Marcus and really trying
[3:00:33] to identify and all come to an agreement on land
[3:00:37] within the parcel for where they could build their housing
[3:00:40] project. Um, further this agreement, we had a multi -
[3:00:45] day design surette two weeks ago where HMC architects, um,
[3:00:51] came here and participated. Really to identify land that worked
[3:00:58] both for the school district and also then worked for
[3:01:00] the towns desire to build additional, um, workforce and affordable
[3:01:05] housing within the parcel development site. Um, so what we
[3:01:09] landed on working with them is to, for them, for
[3:01:14] the school district to acquire sites nine and 10 within
[3:01:17] the parcel master plans. That's the area I kind of
[3:01:20] highlighted in the red box on the screen. It's border
[3:01:24] chaperelle road and tavern road. It's kind of adjacent to
[3:01:28] phase one, the Sawyer and the park facility. And then
[3:01:33] to the north, it's bordered by the open space, um,
[3:01:38] kind of wetlands parcel that goes through the site. To
[3:01:43] identifying this side is that it has clearly defined boundaries
[3:01:48] with the edges of the site, the wetlands, and the
[3:01:51] roads. And so it kind of, it creates an area
[3:01:54] for them to focus and work on their project. And
[3:01:58] then of key interest to the town is that it
[3:02:01] preserves all the area that south of Chaparrel, more on
[3:02:05] the interior of the site where we could then build
[3:02:09] our future workforce housing projects. So working with HMC, the
[3:02:14] town did what we call a space test on that
[3:02:16] site, really just looking, can we fit say 130 rental
[3:02:22] apartments on that site and 40 ownership units on that
[3:02:25] site along with the roads parking and mops? And their
[3:02:31] preliminary tests, which is shown on the screen and the
[3:02:33] lower boxes, indicated it can fit. There's obviously it's not
[3:02:37] a final design for the town. But it gave us
[3:02:40] the confidence to then kind of give at least at
[3:02:45] a staff level a thumbs up to MUSD for sites
[3:02:48] 9 and 10. So on the screen there, what the
[3:02:52] architects drew and mocked up for the school and the
[3:02:54] preliminary site plan. Is in the area closest to tavern
[3:02:59] road. This shows up or not, yep. With a pointer
[3:03:06] in this area here, that would be the phase one
[3:03:08] of the school project, which would be 24 units. These
[3:03:12] would all be rental units. The school does not have
[3:03:15] a desire to build ownership units because they want to
[3:03:17] maintain control of the units and ensure that they are
[3:03:20] remain available for their workforce. Also within the site, then
[3:03:25] it would provide some additional land. I could be for
[3:03:27] a future phases of development. They leased space planned it
[3:03:32] where they could fit approximately 35 units and that remainder
[3:03:35] of the site. Not that they're going to build 35
[3:03:38] additional units, but they just wanted to keep their flexibility
[3:03:41] open and have that option. Should they find more funding.
[3:03:46] For the initial phase, the funding is in place through
[3:03:49] the Measure J. That was the school bond the past
[3:03:51] few years ago. That bond was intended to develop the
[3:03:57] TK building. Recreate or kind of field house facility on
[3:04:04] the school and then workforce housing. So this obviously is
[3:04:07] directly related to the workforce housing component. They are working
[3:04:11] through the agreements and other items to hopefully break ground
[3:04:14] this coming spring. Should we approve all the different agreements
[3:04:19] necessary for it. So this site is an approximately two
[3:04:24] and a half acre site that we would be looking
[3:04:25] to transfer to the district. The item tonight related to
[3:04:29] the option agreement is necessary for the school to enter
[3:04:34] into enter into a contract pre - construction services. And
[3:04:40] then what's called a lease back at least back agreement
[3:04:46] with that contractor, which is the way they'll be developing
[3:04:50] the site has some uniqueness under the education code for
[3:04:54] how they have to enter into that agreement. But this
[3:04:57] is the kind of initial step for that. So before
[3:05:01] I go to the pickleball complexes, is there any questions
[3:05:04] on the parcel housing site? Just one for just clarify
[3:05:09] when we talk about trade - off, but when they
[3:05:11] do the building, they would be paying a hundred percent
[3:05:13] of their construction cost for that parcel. That's correct. So,
[3:05:17] uh, no town funding would go into this project. The
[3:05:21] only real contribution from the town would be us exchanging
[3:05:24] the land. And you might have answered this already. Sorry
[3:05:27] if you did. What is the black arrow and the
[3:05:29] black line for on the map. So this was, um,
[3:05:36] all drawn up during, during the design Shirazo didn't get
[3:05:39] fully refined. The black line is the current boundary of
[3:05:44] lot nine and 10. Beyond that, is the open space
[3:05:47] site. So they were looking, if the option to do
[3:05:50] a lot line adjustment where they would own part of
[3:05:53] that open space area, but not for development, but more
[3:05:56] to, um, provide for setbacks with, with future buildings. Okay.
[3:06:00] And then, um. These potentially 60 units, uh, affects our
[3:06:09] ability to. Like, does it change the AMI levels that
[3:06:15] we can build out in the future or like how
[3:06:18] like the, the. The zoning of the land. Does it
[3:06:23] have to be zoned to certain, you know, like with
[3:06:25] the AMI levels and things like that. Like does that
[3:06:28] come into play with how the whole parcel is zoned?
[3:06:31] Sure. So the parcel mask plan allows for, I want
[3:06:34] to say it's 550 units in the master plan. Within
[3:06:37] that, um, 120 percent up to 200 percent
[3:06:47] units in those higher AMI categories. And so it would
[3:06:52] fall into that, that 120, I think it's about 80,
[3:06:56] what's it, it's 80? 82 and a half. 82, yeah.
[3:06:58] Units, um, and so should they build out all 60
[3:07:03] that would then leave 22 that we could build on
[3:07:06] those higher AMIs. But it's within that 82 number, not,
[3:07:13] it doesn't change the overall number or reduced. Our kind
[3:07:19] of site planning that we've done puts us right around
[3:07:23] 480 or so units could fit on the parcel. We
[3:07:25] don't believe that we could actually get to 550 just
[3:07:28] with all the other requirements that go into place. And
[3:07:31] so it doesn't, um, put us up against that number
[3:07:34] by any means. Okay. Thank you. Questions? Um, yeah, following
[3:07:38] up on your question, are there AMI restrictions on the
[3:07:42] stuff that they're going to build? Sure. So our proposal
[3:07:45] with them was that we have to have an affordable
[3:07:47] housing covenant because that's part of the personal master plan.
[3:07:50] They are one of the greatest flexibility with kind of
[3:07:53] where their staffing's at. And so our proposal. Kind of
[3:07:58] anything above 120 as long as we spoil out 200
[3:08:01] doesn't really, you don't get credit from HTD for providing
[3:08:04] 150 percent units or 180. So our suggestion to them
[3:08:08] would, our restriction would be a 200 percent AMI. Just
[3:08:11] they had the greatest flexibility in how they're managing the
[3:08:14] units and working with their workforce. Okay. But then following
[3:08:17] up on your question, that's not going to affect, if
[3:08:19] they build everything out at 200, that's not going to
[3:08:22] affect our ability to make decisions and choices for the
[3:08:27] land that remains out there. Um, I don't believe so.
[3:08:31] Our goal for the rental project would be that those
[3:08:35] would be at de - restricted 120 percent So that's
[3:08:38] the 130 units there. And then any ownership ones as
[3:08:42] well. You know, we imagine a portion would be deed
[3:08:45] restricted around 150. If I have a portion of B
[3:08:49] restricted around 120, we don't have a, at least an
[3:08:53] R analysis that anything really above 150 makes sense for
[3:08:58] restriction. Just because you're starting to inch towards market where
[3:09:02] you could afford market rate. So, but it is going
[3:09:04] to factor in. If they build everything at 200, it
[3:09:07] does factor into, into what we can do. Of that
[3:09:10] 82, yes. Okay. Um, are there any other, you mentioned
[3:09:15] some, you know, Department of Education or regulations that they
[3:09:18] have to deal with when they do this. Can you
[3:09:21] talk a little bit about what kinds of, um, obligations,
[3:09:25] legal obligations they have coming over, given that school that
[3:09:28] it's a school project? Chair, I'd look to Andy. He's
[3:09:30] obviously a little more versed in legal matters. And he's
[3:09:34] in Alaska. I know. Internet's working. But the mayor, well,
[3:09:40] if you can hear me, I have thoughts. So the
[3:09:43] school district attorneys have told us that the provisions of
[3:09:46] the education code, um, I've looked them just a little
[3:09:49] bit. They are unique to school districts. They have no
[3:09:52] comparison to what we have to do. And we've been
[3:09:56] told that they have to do, uh, two step process
[3:10:00] because they have to get, um, what you might call
[3:10:03] length when you're. They have to lock up the right
[3:10:06] to fire the land. And that's why we're doing it
[3:10:09] this way. But it has no, it has no bearing,
[3:10:13] no similarity, anything that the town does. Um, anything in
[3:10:16] the education code is going to be a little formed
[3:10:19] to us. And this certainly is that. But it's, it's
[3:10:22] their thing. It's not going to affect us. It's their
[3:10:26] problem. Okay. And who, so pickleball, the end of the
[3:10:33] world in pickleball is still there, right? I would also
[3:10:37] add on this site before we go on that, um,
[3:10:40] that, um, our goal of providing workforce housing is achieved
[3:10:43] by this. It's just somebody else building the workforce housing
[3:10:46] here. So it's still achieving the goal of the parcel
[3:10:50] completely. It's just not the town doing it. Yeah, it's
[3:10:53] good. Um, see onto the pickleball complex. So obviously the
[3:11:01] town currently has developed that site previously with an ice
[3:11:05] rink. Now turn six pickleball courts as well as parking
[3:11:08] on that site. So the minimum area that the town
[3:11:12] would be looking to acquire would be the two and
[3:11:15] a half acre that's outlined in the blue. So this
[3:11:18] would secure the access into that upper or that, I
[3:11:22] guess, more lower parking lot geographically. Parking lot, the pickleball
[3:11:26] courts and then the land between the pickleball courts out
[3:11:29] to Meridian Boulevard looking when you walk the site. The
[3:11:35] intent for that land between the pickleball and Meridian is
[3:11:39] its relatively flat. And so it could provide option for
[3:11:43] additional expansion of what we would call the racket complex,
[3:11:47] meaning we could potentially add additional pickball courts in that
[3:11:50] area should the demand or additional or build tennis courts
[3:11:53] in that area. The area in red there would be,
[3:11:57] um, approximately the size of two tennis courts, um, with
[3:12:00] all the additional space around the courts. And it's, I
[3:12:04] think they need 60 by 120 feet. And so we've
[3:12:09] kind of mapped out that, that could, you know, in
[3:12:11] the future should there be a desire there. There's not
[3:12:15] obviously an immediate plan to build more there. We did
[3:12:17] look at what it could look like. In this area.
[3:12:25] That area does get very steep. So it has some,
[3:12:27] some topographic challenges. There may be some desire from the
[3:12:31] district though that they don't have a need for this
[3:12:34] land. Here. And so that's really the option to grow
[3:12:37] to six acres. So ongoing discussions there, whether there is
[3:12:40] interest from the town to acquire that. We don't have
[3:12:44] a useful it necessarily, but if there's desire from the
[3:12:47] school, then it may be beneficial. But at minimum, it
[3:12:51] would be acquiring that the pickleball courts, the parking and
[3:12:54] that, that land. But if we were to acquire that,
[3:12:57] all the, uh, the mandates from an education perspective that
[3:13:03] they don't apply. Like in this land exchange, this is
[3:13:06] our land free and clear. There's no mandates, no legal
[3:13:11] things that are attached to the land. What's the exchange
[3:13:13] is complete. Correct. So it would be town owned and
[3:13:17] then become a town - owned recreation facility. And we're
[3:13:19] just clear of all the school district and all that
[3:13:21] stuff. Correct. Okay. Yes. That's right. And just to clarify
[3:13:25] on that one. So what's the zoning on that right
[3:13:27] now. Uh, public and quasi public. Yeah. State public, quasi
[3:13:32] public, even with, it just, it's only stage. It's just
[3:13:34] land would change ownership. Correct new boundary would get drawn
[3:13:38] carving out the town parcel from the MUSD parcel. And
[3:13:43] so, Nolan, what's the little box left there that looks
[3:13:45] like a that was, um, uh, a graphic design air.
[3:13:52] That was me trying to overlay me trying to overlay
[3:13:55] a tennis court rather than just a red box onto
[3:13:57] the graphic. I was like, that's going to be a
[3:13:59] weird piece of property to own right there in the
[3:14:01] corner. Yeah. That's what happens when you try to do
[3:14:06] graphic design and PowerPoint. Canva. Are you ready for questions?
[3:14:14] Um, the last one, just a few of the bullet
[3:14:16] points, what is called the option agreements. This is the
[3:14:19] agreement that's actually necessary for at least the school district
[3:14:23] to move forward with, um, their pre - construction services
[3:14:27] because it gives them the exclusive option to acquire the
[3:14:30] housing site. So that's what they need to move that
[3:14:33] forward. Um, prior to the actual exchange of the property.
[3:14:38] So to give them exclusive option to acquire it, it
[3:14:41] would require them then to convey the pickleball complex to
[3:14:44] the town and the same transaction. Uh, we put a
[3:14:47] deadline of completing this by August of 2027. Um, the
[3:14:52] exchange agreement is what would follow the option agreement. So
[3:14:55] that would actually establish the terms of the transfer, include
[3:14:58] the exact legal descriptions for both sites. Again, we talked
[3:15:02] about the requirement for the Affordable Housing Covenant. That's a
[3:15:05] requirement of the parcel master plan. And then the last
[3:15:08] two bullet points are ones we added, um, one that
[3:15:12] we would have the option to purchase back any undeveloped
[3:15:16] land in the option agreement we put. If it remains
[3:15:19] undeveloped after 10 years from the exchange, um, we'll see
[3:15:24] the school district comes back with requesting a different, different
[3:15:28] timeline. But we thought 10 years was reasonable for them
[3:15:30] to build the initial phase and then figure out if
[3:15:33] there is a kneed or a desire to build any
[3:15:35] subsequent phases on that, that land. Then the last one
[3:15:38] is that the town would have the first rider refusal
[3:15:41] to purchase any developed housing or undeveloped land should MUSD
[3:15:47] ever choose to sell. So should they say they build
[3:15:50] a housing and then feel they don't want to be
[3:15:52] in the housing market. The town would have the first
[3:15:54] option of refusal on that. And that's not setting like
[3:15:59] a deed restricted sale price. That's just the first option
[3:16:03] to purchase. Yeah. And Andy, correct me if I'm wrong,
[3:16:06] but I think that the language there is, um, reasonable
[3:16:09] market value. Okay. He's not going to correct you. Okay.
[3:16:18] Um, are you ready for questions now? Yes. Any questions?
[3:16:21] I asked my questions. Oh, I'm good. Thank you. Just
[3:16:23] one more question. So we made some adjustments with our
[3:16:27] developer that has done existing development over there. There are
[3:16:31] certain things that DA that gave them certain opportunities there.
[3:16:35] And we all good with this in terms of with
[3:16:37] that agreement and doing this. There's no conflict or do
[3:16:40] we need to adjust that agreement. So we have an
[3:16:44] option agreement with Pacific, um, to exit the DDA. That
[3:16:48] gives the town the unilateral option to, um, to exit
[3:16:53] that. And so we prior to executing any agreements, we
[3:16:57] will have to act on that agreement. Um, we were,
[3:17:03] um, intentionally wait until we were under construction on, on
[3:17:07] Kingfisher 2 and some of those other items were in
[3:17:10] place that it didn't, you know, unintentionally impact any of
[3:17:14] those agreements or those funding or other items. So we're
[3:17:17] now in a position to act on that option agreement.
[3:17:20] Okay. But that would happen immediately. That would happen the
[3:17:23] next stage. Correct. Okay. Okay. Are there any public comments
[3:17:27] from anyone in the room or online. No. Okay. I
[3:17:32] would entertain a motion. Or let's shall we discuss further.
[3:17:38] I'm very supportive of this. Okay. I would entertain them.
[3:17:40] I will make a motion. Um, I moved to authorize
[3:17:43] the town manager to sign the option agreement with MUSD
[3:17:47] for the MUSD parcel housing project. And containing the deal
[3:17:51] points identified in the staff report subject to the town
[3:17:55] attorney's approval and finalization of the agreement. I was second.
[3:17:59] Roll cop, please, Jamie. Councilmember Wentworth? Yes. Mayor Pro Tim
[3:18:03] Truax. Yes. Mayor Rice. Yes. Okay. And we are moving
[3:18:07] on to item 10. 2 approve and adopt resolutions modifying
[3:18:13] the compensation plan and reclassification of specified full - time
[3:18:17] permanent management employees association MEA and Executive Positions and Salary
[3:18:23] Schedules. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so the item before
[3:18:29] you tonight is, it's something that we don't do very
[3:18:32] frequently. It is not a part of any negotiation strategy
[3:18:37] or any consultation with, um, our associations. This is more
[3:18:42] fulfilling the requirement of the Town Manager to produce what's
[3:18:46] called both a classification plan and a compensation plan. Um,
[3:18:50] which outlines the structure and staff levels that the town
[3:18:56] puts forth and, you know, performing our functions, uh, the
[3:19:00] classification plan, uh, in part reads the town manager shall
[3:19:03] prepare classification PAN, which sets forth all the classes of
[3:19:06] positions in the town service. Classification plan shall be so
[3:19:11] developed and maintained that all positions substantially similar with respect
[3:19:14] to duties, responsibilities, authorities and character of work are concluded
[3:19:19] within the same class and that the same class schedules
[3:19:23] of compensation may be made to apply with equity under
[3:19:27] working conditions for all employees. The compensation plan is also,
[3:19:31] um, will provide salary schedules salary rates salary ranges and
[3:19:34] steps. Each class in the classification plan shall be assigned
[3:19:38] to salary range or rate established in the compensation plan.
[3:19:42] All persons employed by the town shall be compensated in
[3:19:44] accordance with this plan. So I'm required as a town
[3:19:47] manager to provide modifications to these plans from time to
[3:19:51] time. We have meaning we, the Executive team have been
[3:19:58] reviewing required modifications and discussed sort of a structure by
[3:20:04] which we could pull something together that makes a lot
[3:20:08] of sense with regard to shared responsibility or similar responsibility
[3:20:12] for each of the staff level. Things happen across time
[3:20:15] when you think about a compensation plan. You're adding positions.
[3:20:20] You're sometimes sunsetting positions, things are changing. Um, and so
[3:20:23] you, you have to, you put them in place with
[3:20:25] regard to where they were at the time. Um, what
[3:20:28] made the most sense. But you never step back and
[3:20:30] take a holistic look at that and do, do all
[3:20:33] the positions, uh, make sense with where they're located and
[3:20:37] the level of compensation they receive. Typically when you think
[3:20:40] of, um, our general employees, our public work employees, the
[3:20:44] hourly staff, those all connect directly with a lot of
[3:20:48] changes that happen statewide with regard to, um, the part
[3:20:54] - time employment minimum wage activities and all those things
[3:20:56] that sort of adjust that. And in the last several
[3:20:59] years, the town has made modifications to our general employees
[3:21:02] and public works employees. But we did not make those
[3:21:06] same or similar changes all the way up through management
[3:21:10] level and executive level employees. The difference between those different
[3:21:14] employee classifications are very significant in the fact that management
[3:21:18] level and executive level are salaried. So they're not able
[3:21:22] to earn any over time for the work that they
[3:21:25] perform. And, uh, and therefore that, you know, the salary
[3:21:28] structure, if you will, sort of encompasses all the activity
[3:21:32] that they could incur, um, just basically work to get
[3:21:35] the job done instead of working on an hourly basis.
[3:21:40] Um, some of the things that, uh, we, we did
[3:21:43] in this effort is reduced the number of, of potential,
[3:21:48] uh, classifications for wage in the MEA category. We had
[3:21:53] in the original from an M102 all the way up
[3:21:56] through an M113 as an optional pay structure. In this
[3:22:03] recommendations that we're making tonight, we condense that down to
[3:22:06] five different areas or categories or groupings, if you will,
[3:22:10] of employees. Um, the first one being M 201s, it's
[3:22:14] entry level management employee may or may not have supervisor
[3:22:17] responsibility of limited term employees typically does not have supervisor
[3:22:20] responsibility for full - time employees. Um, so that just
[3:22:24] sort of defines their level of responsibility. And 202, this
[3:22:28] category, um, it's usually a higher level of responsibility with
[3:22:32] newer developing areas within our organization. We thought this was
[3:22:34] a new category. We should add, um, because we are
[3:22:38] making modifications to how we have, uh, employees in this
[3:22:44] particular category. They may or may not have a supervisor
[3:22:48] responsibilities, but they can be, uh, charged with significantly complex
[3:22:53] functions within the organization. And a lot of times their
[3:22:56] developmental. So meaning there's no roadmap for how those are
[3:22:59] performed. They're working through, um, that process. M203, this category
[3:23:04] is high volume supervision of many employees. Large scale operations
[3:23:10] with the organizations, but they typically coordinate closely with other
[3:23:14] management or executive level staff. Um, so they have a
[3:23:17] lot of people they're responsible for, um, but they do
[3:23:20] get support in that effort. Uh, M204, this category typically
[3:23:24] responsible for the entire department and will receive support from
[3:23:28] higher management. But, um, they have requirements for increasing levels
[3:23:31] of education within this category and perform the role for
[3:23:35] the organization. And then finally M205, that's the highest level
[3:23:40] in the management employee association. They require the highest level
[3:23:43] of education, responsibility, and often our responsible for an entire
[3:23:47] division. And they can be considered at a direct deputy
[3:23:51] director level within our organization. So that's how we comprised
[3:23:55] the management level staff, uh, within this particular compensation agreement.
[3:24:03] The MEA classifications at M201 through M205, I just described,
[3:24:07] have a range of 30 percent from the very bottom
[3:24:09] of the range to the top. And that range size
[3:24:14] of that range is determined by how much growth is
[3:24:17] expected from someone starting new any leadership role until they're
[3:24:22] a seasoned leadership aspect. You, you are going to have
[3:24:25] steps that you go across time. Were you gaining experience,
[3:24:29] um, you are able to earn additional wage based on
[3:24:32] that experience because your contribution to the to the organization
[3:24:35] climbs with that. In this particular modifications that we're suggesting
[3:24:40] tonight, uh, there are some changes that will be immediate
[3:24:45] for a few employees if they are not at the
[3:24:49] lowest or minimum level that was set for that range.
[3:24:52] There'll be a bump to get them to that minimum
[3:24:55] level. And there are a couple of people that are
[3:24:57] affected by, uh, that change in this process. So there'll
[3:25:01] be some immediate changes to wage base based upon these,
[3:25:05] uh, these new salary ranges, but only in the MEA
[3:25:08] category. I took this a little bit further and sort
[3:25:13] of tied the executive employee classifications in a similar fashion
[3:25:20] to what was described in the MEA classifications. And tied
[3:25:28] them to levels of responsibility, but also an increment above,
[3:25:33] um, the highest level of management. For example, in our
[3:25:39] executive levels, there is a manager level. Um, this position
[3:25:42] is, he's on the Executive team similar responsibilities and education
[3:25:45] required for the highest levels of MEA, but an at
[3:25:49] will, um, situation, which means they are, they're not represented
[3:25:54] by an employee association. They can be terminated at any
[3:25:58] time with or without cause. Uh, and they basically are
[3:26:03] involved in leadership level discussions. And often have responsibilities that
[3:26:08] cross all departments within the organization. And all of those,
[3:26:12] uh, positions report directly to the town manager. That particular
[3:26:16] classification. The next classification item is director one. That's position
[3:26:22] is a responsibility for an entire division, uh, within the
[3:26:25] organization. They're expected to lead that division without direct supervision.
[3:26:29] They don't, they all report to the town manager, but
[3:26:33] they really are autonomous in their function. And, uh, basically
[3:26:39] our responsible for not only the operation of that, that
[3:26:42] division, but the coordination between other divisions within the organization.
[3:26:47] So, but they are, they're responsible for one, um, department,
[3:26:51] if you will. Director level two, Zapposition is the same
[3:26:55] responsibility as director one. However, they have multiple divisions of
[3:26:58] responsibility within the organization. So there's a little bit more
[3:27:01] to that. And there's like a seven and a half
[3:27:03] percent paper as a whole. The additions of multiple departments.
[3:27:11] And then finally the Town Manager, so as the town
[3:27:13] manager level, the highest level employee within the organization and
[3:27:16] responsible for literally all aspects of the organization and the
[3:27:20] delivery of the core services to the community. Um, and
[3:27:22] then that has a classification. That is a certain percentage
[3:27:26] higher. than the director two level. In all classifications in
[3:27:31] the executive range, it's a range from top to bottom
[3:27:34] of 25 percent of the fact that the, um, employees
[3:27:40] that are in the executive status, typically don't require, um,
[3:27:45] additional. They don't gain a lot of experience over time.
[3:27:48] They come with that experience. It's what that got them
[3:27:50] into that role. But there are things that they learned
[3:27:52] about their particular job across time. And there is an
[3:27:54] opportunity to grow that. Um, there are no steps in
[3:27:58] these salary ranges, but there's an opportunity to earn a
[3:28:01] merit increase in an annual basis. So, um, while there
[3:28:04] are no modifications to salary specific to the Executive team
[3:28:08] based on this in all considerations, the salary has increased
[3:28:14] in each of these ranges. Um, so across time, the
[3:28:17] financial considerations are that this will have a higher cost
[3:28:20] to the organization, um, but it's a way of structuring
[3:28:24] the sort of management to leadership team in a way
[3:28:28] that makes sense based upon responsibilities. Um, so I wanted
[3:28:32] to kind of emphasize that point that, you know, it
[3:28:34] does have financial implications in the long run as people
[3:28:38] will gain more experience and they're merit increases will get
[3:28:40] them into the upper echelons, but it's not a significant
[3:28:43] modification to, um, what we had. It's just wanting to
[3:28:47] draw that point to everyone's attention. Uh, happy to answer
[3:28:50] any questions before you, there are two resolutions that talk
[3:28:54] about the, um, the actual language around the requirement to
[3:28:59] make these, um, modifications. And the way that they're outlined
[3:29:05] with regard to responsibility, but they also have, um, the
[3:29:08] salary schedule specific to positions located in there. And you
[3:29:13] can clearly see the groupings for that. And that is
[3:29:16] in both the MEA section and in the executive section.
[3:29:20] There are two separate resolutions, two separate salary schedules. So
[3:29:24] happy to answer any questions. Questions. John. I don't have
[3:29:29] any questions. It sounds like Rob's taking care of the
[3:29:32] house. You know, questions I had Rob already answered when
[3:29:36] I met with him. So I'm good. Okay. Is there
[3:29:38] any public comment from anyone in the room. Or online.
[3:29:41] No. Okay. Are you all ready to make a motion?
[3:29:47] If you're an entertain emotion. I will move to approve
[3:29:51] the resolution. If this car, make sure it says two
[3:29:54] resolution. It's supposed to exhibit A and B covers it.
[3:29:57] But approve the resolution modify and the compensation plan and
[3:30:00] reclassification specified MEA and Executive Positions as well as accompanying
[3:30:07] salary schedules as outlined in Exhibit A and Exhibit B.
[3:30:11] Does that cover for both of them? Yes. I'll second
[3:30:16] the motion. Council member Wentworth. Really answering emails there, John.
[3:30:23] Sorry. Uh, yes. Mayor Pro Tem Truax? Yes. Air rice.
[3:30:27] Yes. All right. Thank you Rob. We are on to
[3:30:31] Council Member Reports. Brent, would you like to go first?
[3:30:35] Sure. Going to go back up here. Had an LTC
[3:30:38] meeting. There will be a hydrogen bus that's here on
[3:30:42] the 27th and 28th. I believe it's 28th has taken
[3:30:46] from trip from, uh, Math Mountain down to Reds Meadow
[3:30:49] will be available if you want to ride the hydrogen
[3:30:51] bus down. So is that a demonstration? Demonstrate of August.
[3:30:56] Demonstration as we're exploring the possibility of hydrogen down the
[3:30:59] road if it makes any feasibility for public transportation usage.
[3:31:03] Interesting. So a lot of things to work out there
[3:31:05] with everything else in the world. Like for instance, fuel
[3:31:08] for hydrogen is like 200 miles away is the closest
[3:31:11] possible fuel. And when you're a range of 300 miles,
[3:31:14] that makes it a little tough to fuel up. So,
[3:31:17] but it, uh, has some interesting prospects there. We also
[3:31:20] at the LTC good discussion about unmetrantation needs and trying
[3:31:24] to make sure people have the availability not only within
[3:31:26] town, within the county to have transmission they need to
[3:31:29] get to and from, very aspects of their lives. Um,
[3:31:32] interesting that session two was that this is old data
[3:31:36] now, but there's already 11, 000 people that had taken
[3:31:38] the shuttle two reds meadow even on the limited shuttle
[3:31:41] schedule that we have right now. So it's been very
[3:31:43] popular. It's increased transportation. Um, attend the wine walk. I
[3:31:47] thought it was a great job done by everybody. It's
[3:31:50] there. Um, I went to King Lear and, um, David
[3:31:54] did an excellent job as King Lear. And it's over
[3:31:57] now, but it should, uh, exemplify what we can do
[3:32:00] in this community to do, uh, with the right resources.
[3:32:05] And maybe we can do it even more. Great. That's
[3:32:07] all I got. Thank you. John? Uh, yeah. So, um,
[3:32:10] August 7th, I attended a meeting of the something called
[3:32:13] the ICARP tech. This is that climate group that I
[3:32:17] serve on is in the governments, the governor's Office of
[3:32:19] Land use and climate innovation. Really, you know, the high
[3:32:25] value of these meetings is the presentations we get. From
[3:32:28] outside parties outside groups. And we had a really interesting,
[3:32:33] uh, presentation from, uh, the Department of Conservation, which is
[3:32:37] getting an enormous amount of prop for money. Uh, that's
[3:32:39] separate from like what SNC and other state agencies are
[3:32:42] getting. And there may be opportunities for us to access
[3:32:44] some of that. Especially one of the wildfire work that
[3:32:46] we're doing. Um, because that is a climate resilience play.
[3:32:51] And their baby way to get funds from that for
[3:32:53] our recreation assets. It's just tied into the work we're
[3:32:55] doing with the, uh, with the ESTCRP. So that was
[3:32:59] interesting. Interesting discussion about climate resilience districts. There's something in
[3:33:03] the state of California. You can establish a climate resilient
[3:33:05] district. Um, it doesn't come with anything other than the
[3:33:10] local jurisdiction has got to come up with the money
[3:33:12] come up with everything else. But you can have a
[3:33:14] climate district. So that was kind of interesting. But also
[3:33:17] very interesting presentation from the North Coast Resource Partnership, which
[3:33:21] if you're familiar with that is a sort of the
[3:33:23] gold standard for regional, uh, collaboratives and partnerships from the
[3:33:27] North Coast. So that was very interesting. Um, then today
[3:33:32] I had the privilege of attending the Mammoth Exterism Board
[3:33:35] meeting. Um, some pretty interesting updates today. Uh, first on
[3:33:41] global tourism. MLT is making a decision to cut back
[3:33:44] significantly the presence in global markets. A lot of it
[3:33:47] has to do with the perception of the United States
[3:33:49] around the world and our global market. So they're going
[3:33:52] to be cutting resources back there and focusing on domestic
[3:33:56] visitation. So that was pretty interesting. Um, I also, I
[3:34:00] was out of town last week. I was back East
[3:34:02] on some family stuff. Um, I had a chance to
[3:34:04] start reviewing the destination to draft destination management plan. Rob
[3:34:08] and I checked in on that today. A lot of
[3:34:11] interesting ideas in there, but it's going to take some
[3:34:13] work to get something that I think we can work
[3:34:15] with. So we're going to Rob and I'll be working
[3:34:17] on that. And again, the team they have over there,
[3:34:23] just incredibly, it's incredibly rich asset that I know we're
[3:34:25] working on how we can leverage those capacity. This technological
[3:34:29] capacities that they have, there's really interesting. On the air
[3:34:32] service update, it sounds like the city of Bishop might
[3:34:34] be wanting to get into the game, uh, after a
[3:34:37] lot of resistance and a lot of kind of whatevers,
[3:34:40] but we're seeing regional partners trying to come to the
[3:34:43] table with this, which is really exciting. And this has
[3:34:45] to do, I think, with the idea and the opportunity
[3:34:47] for year - round air service, which the MLT folks
[3:34:50] have advised their very, very close, uh, to getting the
[3:34:53] funding in place to be able to do that. Which
[3:34:55] city of Bishop and Yo Canon would be huge beneficiaries
[3:34:57] of that. So that's going to be very interesting thing
[3:34:59] going forward. Um, and I don't know if it's been
[3:35:02] mentioned this evening, but, uh, we set, we, all of
[3:35:05] us at a TOT record, uh, for 25, 26. Best
[3:35:11] year ever. So thanks to Mammoth Exterism. Thanks to the
[3:35:14] town for all that. Um, but it brings me back
[3:35:17] a little bit. And Rob and I talked about this
[3:35:19] that nice discussion. We had over there in the basement
[3:35:21] of the brewery. You take a very kind of ambitious
[3:35:24] destination management plan. We're doing well financially. Where are we
[3:35:27] going? And I think it would be great to have
[3:35:30] that whenever Rob is ready to bring that back a
[3:35:32] little bit. So we as a council, when we're having
[3:35:35] these discussions with the desk station management plan, what are
[3:35:38] the council's goals around things like climate, some of the
[3:35:40] things we've talked about. It's going to be important to
[3:35:42] have those things to help deframe what frame that thing
[3:35:45] up, uh, for its final deliverable for something that we
[3:35:47] can work with. But interesting meeting. That's it. So thank
[3:35:52] you. Great. And I feel like we have to add
[3:35:54] thank you to our community for welcoming all those visitors.
[3:35:58] And having the best TOT here on record, right? Like,
[3:36:01] yeah, and I said, it's all of us. It's all
[3:36:04] business. Yes. The whole world is a team. The whole
[3:36:06] thing is working really well. Um, okay. So, um, Stu
[3:36:11] told you about the parks and recreation master plan survey.
[3:36:14] Yes. I found the link. Okay. Um, we have that
[3:36:17] going on. Uh, I attended the county in town liaison
[3:36:20] committee meeting. And we did discuss mobile home. Um, just
[3:36:27] kind of, kind of the environment and what's happening at
[3:36:30] the county level versus the town. Um, and then I
[3:36:33] also attended August 13th this year, summer nights, which was
[3:36:37] a little chilly for August, but it was, I had
[3:36:40] a great time and I would love to see more
[3:36:43] next summer. I don't know if it would be feasible
[3:36:45] or not, but I think that it's, um, wonderful night
[3:36:48] for our community. There's, it's lovely to see so many
[3:36:51] local families and just local community members just out there
[3:36:54] enjoying themselves. Um, and then my kids also got to
[3:36:58] attend their, the skateboarding camp and they had a fabulous
[3:37:02] time. And well, they're scraped knees have still not healed,
[3:37:06] but they loved it and, um, thank you to our
[3:37:09] staff for doing such a great job with our summer
[3:37:11] camps. Um, yeah, so that's all I have to report.
[3:37:16] Um, so we will move on to item 12, request
[3:37:18] for future agenda items. I do not. John, do you
[3:37:23] have any requests. Uh, bunch of ideas, but no. I
[3:37:27] think no requests other than Haze is going to bring
[3:37:31] in something back, right? Coming out of this, anything else,
[3:37:34] Rob that you heard that's coming back. But we have
[3:37:37] those on you. Agenda. So these would, this request is
[3:37:40] just, what are we not know that you guys want?
[3:37:42] Well, I would start, I would say I would love
[3:37:44] to discuss inclusionary housing and diff fees. Yeah. For sure.
[3:37:49] Is there anything else that you'd like to record? No,
[3:37:51] that's, that's a, that's a sort of a hot ticket
[3:37:53] at this point. Okay. Yeah. All right. Uh, we are
[3:37:58] ready to adjourn. So the town Council will adjourn to
[3:38:00] a regular meeting being held on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2026
[3:38:04] at 4 p. m. We hope to fill all the
[3:38:06] seats. For coming. Have a good night. Have a good
[3:38:13] night. Thank you very much.