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All right. As we call this meeting to

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order, I would ask if there is a motion

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to approve the agenda.

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Hold on. Am I speeding a little bit?

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Okay. And the agenda is being modified

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by adding u what letter would that be?

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>> Are you wanting to add it to the consent

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agenda or the regular agenda?

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I'm fine with adding it to the consent

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agenda. Okay. I just assume it be a

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>> It is your agenda. You all can make the

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choice of whether or not you feel

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comfortable on the consent or wish to

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talk about it in the regular.

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» It's a budget amendment uh grand project

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or next FEMA and

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» yeah regular agenda.

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So item F will be budget amendments

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grant project works.

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» So make a motion to approve the agenda

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with modifications discussed.

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>> A second.

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>> All right. All those in favor

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do we have any public comments?

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All right. Well, council comments,

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» think you're good. All right, gentlemen.

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>> The honorable mayor prom and council, I

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need to leave at 45, please.

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>> All right. Please don't vote yes for me

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after that.

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>> Okay. I don't think we're gonna have to

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excuse you. We will ask our our town

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manager if he's got something to say.

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Just say every other word and we'll get

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>> That's one of my favorite checks, by the

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way. Um Mr. Campbell,

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>> uh just want to recognize that uh next

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week will be uh 4th of July and it'll be

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the 250th anniversary.

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>> All right. And I'd like to thank y'all

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for coming out tonight, for being here.

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July

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you know, it's it's important to have

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people show up and cheer us on or cheer

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us down or hold us accountable. So, all

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right, that being said, Mr. Manager.

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» Oh, sorry. Uh, Mayor Pro Tim, if I may

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just mention that the uh we do need to

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make a note that the mayor is out and

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that it's for an exempt purpose.

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>> Thanks for reminding me. Yes, our mayor

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is out. is for an excused absence and

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that's why you get to listen to me

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tonight.

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>> Thank you, sir. And and thank you,

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council, as well. I only have a few

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items for you really quick. First of

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all, I know that as you all are well

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aware and also for the community

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watching at home uh around the UDO

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language that is currently within the

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general assembly. There have been

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multiple conversations here uh in the

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past few meetings and so I wanted to

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give a quick update. So that item is SB

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1074 or Senate Bill 1074. It's currently

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in the House. Uh and as of just uh

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earlier today, it was calendared as a

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part of the Finance Committee's next

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meeting, the House Finance Committee's

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next meeting at 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday. So

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next Tuesday at 9:00 a.m. it'll be heard

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at the House Finance Committee. Uh and

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so I just want to provide that update to

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you all this evening. The other items

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that I have is that you all may see

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outside behind the baseball field.

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erosion control measures that are going

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on out there. That's the very beginning

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process for the uh baseball field

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project. That's our FEMA project to uh

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repair the uh the drainage issues and

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other related matters that happened

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during Hurricane Helen. So, right now,

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that's currently slated to begin on June

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seeing that work around there. We've

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obviously been talking with our our

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partners that use the baseball fields

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that we're working around their

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schedules. But that's another exciting

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project. I know that we've been talking

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about it for about a year and a half and

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so being able to see that work moving

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forward. I'm excited about that and I

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really want to thank staff for all of

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their hard work in making that happen.

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around the North Loop update uh a North

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continuing to move forward. it continues

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to move uh on schedule. Uh as you may be

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may have seen, we've had a lot of dump

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trucks coming in and out as they've been

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hauling off the the debris, the sand,

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silt, and mud debris out there. I don't

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have an update on timeline other than

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that things are continuing to move

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smoothly out there and I'm just really

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excited to see all the progress and I

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hope the community is as well. If the

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community is not aware, the we we did

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prioritize and we're very happy to say

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that the river access is available. all

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uh all areas of the river that for

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access are open. Now, there's a lot of

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orange fencing around because we're, you

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know, mostly we're trying to protect the

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grass and make sure that it takes root.

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you know, certain paths to get paths to

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get to the river, but the um the you

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know, for tubing purposes, for uh for

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the beach access, for fishing purposes,

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the kayak launch, all of those are now

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open. Uh and if you haven't had an

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opportunity to go down there, please do.

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using them. I try to walk down there

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every day and I just see tons of kids

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out there in the water and a lot of kids

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at heart as well enjoying the river. So,

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I'm very excited about that. And that

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>> Very good. Thank you.

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All right. On to the consent agenda. Do

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agenda or is there any discussion?

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>> I make a motion to approve the consent

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agenda.

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second. All those in favor?

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consent agenda is approved. Now on to

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First, we have the adoption of a

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resolution 2026-14

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supporting the submitt of a water

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resources development grant.

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>> Yeah. Thank you, council. and and I'm

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going to call Greg Jennings up here to

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the table as well from Jennings uh

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environmental who's uh just you know the staple of this project and so many

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other projects when it comes to

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environmental work in Mills River and around the entire area. So what's

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before you tonight is what is resolution

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202614.

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to support the submitt of a water

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resources development grant. Very

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similar to what we did years ago uh on

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the on the project already in Mills

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River by the picnic area in there. this

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project. Uh it's not requiring that the

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town by this resolution is not stating

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that we must go forward with this grant.

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is the a resolution of support from the

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council saying that you would wish for

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uh the staff to go forward and pursue

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this uh this application. What's before

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you right now is an application specific

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or a support specifically around the

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park expansion property bank. So, as you

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know, FEMA, there's a FEMA project

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working with the park expansion

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property. Well, and Kevin's going to

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see some of the uh some of the other

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elements that you all have in front of

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you uh and in your packet, but really

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there are two major sections that are

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around for FEMA projects. And right in

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the middle of those two FEMA projects,

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there's uh very important work that

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stabilization and mitigation as we plan

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for the park expansion property. Right.

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And so what this is looking at and staff

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has been working very hard and Greg I

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really want to thank you for all of your

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hard work as well trying to find funding

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opportunities to say while we're looking

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at FEMA projects which we cannot use for

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this type of mitigation work not in this

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area as well. How can we also make sure

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that we're prepared for future park

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expansion? And so the the DWR grant,

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it's one that again we're comfortable

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with. We've used before. And the request

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is for essentially the grant would be

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about four would be for $400,000, which

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would be $200,000 that the town would

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have to match as a grant, local grant

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with $200,000 going from if we received

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the DWR grant. It's a reimbursementbased

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grant. So essentially we would have to

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pay for it upfront and then seek

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reimbursement afterwards just like other

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grants especially around DWR it's about

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30 days for reimbursement. So right now

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like I said it's the we're requesting

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the support for this type of project.

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just a second to talk through a little

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bit more of the project itself and

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technical expert. Uh, but really the

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other piece I think that's really

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helpful for you to know about this is

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that it's um it would be coming out of

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the 7 it would be coming out of the

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$750,000 that's currently assigned for

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the park expansion uh in July for the

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next FY27 fiscal year. So that's one. It

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would be coming out of the capital

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project fund. So uh the capital the

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capital project reserve. So it wouldn't

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be touching available fund balance as

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well. and also Withers Ravenel and

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Jennings Environmental have been doing a

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great job working with each other

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throughout this process to make sure

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that uh the work that Withers is trying

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to do when it comes to the phase one

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approach will is going to work in tandem

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with that uh with the work going on at

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the river. So having river access

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opportunities getting people to those

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access points while also making sure

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there's stability there and we're really

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trying to protect the river as much as

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possible. And so those are the main

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mention, and Greg, I'm going to look at

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you to correct me on this one. We're

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looking at a fall timeline for a

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potential uh uh an potential award about

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this, which would then be if that if we

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receive it, it would flow right into a

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timeline, which again also coincides

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with the Withers Ravenel discussions

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that we've had about a mid to late

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spring uh construction of a potential

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phase one or phase 1/2 to get, as I like

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to say, boots on the ground over there.

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So it really seems like a great

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opportunity to mir to marry these two

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types of very important projects

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together. Before you is whether or not

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you wish for us to proceed with that

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request.

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» Whichever one you feel comfortable like

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Greg,

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>> is this okay?

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>> Absolutely.

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>> So Greg Jennings, I'm with Jennings

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Environmental. I'm an environmental

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engineer and I have been working with

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the town staff for several years. Our

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team did the project that you're

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familiar with that has the two river

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access points and the stream bank

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stabilization starting back in 2022.

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And so we're happy to continue with work

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on the river river bank. And part of

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that work is the FEMA funded work.

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>> Uh for whatever reason the FEMA team did

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not include the what we could call the

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middle parcel. And if you're looking at

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this sheet three overview map, that's a

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good summary of everything that's

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included in Mills River Park, including

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the expansion and the area that is not

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currently funded project area where Matt

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has just described the grant

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opportunity. Uh the grant is division of

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water resources funding. It's 5050

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money. And so, as Matt described, we

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would do the riverbank stabilization on

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town property would not include the

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privately owned property on the north

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side of the river, just to be clear. So,

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it' be the town owned property would

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require match. It requires a 50 foot

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buffer, but no easement and no

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dedication to the state. The state

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>> pays for the project. It's permitted by

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the Army Corps. the state and any local

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ordinances that are applicable

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>> and the town continues to own and

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operate and manage the property when

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it's finished.

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>> So, I think it's probably most efficient

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for me to answer questions at this point

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if you have any

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>> questions.

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If in the future we want to put like a

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boat right up there, could we?

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>> Yes.

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>> Okay.

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>> In fact, we would design in a human

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access, a walking access if you will.

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canoes, kayaks, swimming, fishing,

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tubing would be designed in

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a boat ramp. Uh, similar to what you

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have down

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>> Yeah, that's much

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>> probably something to talk more

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extensively about.

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This is very preliminary.

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We're applying for the grant. The grant,

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it's rather vague about what the grant

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would pay for if and when the funding is

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approved. October it's state funding. We

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don't have a state budget yet. So we

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have to have a state budget. Then we

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have to be approved and then we have to

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go through contracting and then design

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and then that's when we'll get into the

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details of that.

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>> Yeah. I'm not I'm I'm saying we have to

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there's a 50 foot easement.

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>> Yeah.

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>> It's not an easement. No. Uh it is

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strictly a planted buffer.

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>> Okay. So if in the future

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somebody wanted to put or the town

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wanted to put a

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>> Yeah. You own the property.

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>> Okay. Okay. That's that was

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>> there is no deed restriction, no

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easement, no conservation requirement.

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>> The budget funding pays for planting a

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50 foot buffer. The state likes you to

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do that. They do not restrict your use

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of the property.

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>> Okay. Great.

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>> There are other grants that do that and

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I wanted to be clear. This is a

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nonrestrictive grant. The 50/50

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» would there be much redisturbance in the

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area?

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>> Substantial. Yes.

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The river banks are 8 to 10 ft high.

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They're undermined and they're

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collapsing. Many of the trees that are

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there are prone to falling in in future

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events. We would need to remove those

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the ones that are prone to falling.

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Regrade the banks. use those trees to

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help stabilize the pond.

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>> Well, then how many finger

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are all up?

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>> Well, there is an area with that has no

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trees left currently. There are other

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areas that have trees that are up to 50

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or more feet away from the river. And

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those do not all have to be removed. But

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because the river meanders as you know

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how it does, it's the outsides of those

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bends where it's meandering that it has

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already washed away all the trees. So

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we'd be putting trees back there on the

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insides of the bends. The energy is not

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affecting the town property. It's

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actually affecting the neighbors

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property across the river. And we are

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trying to work with Mills River

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Partnership on a whole separate series

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of grants for agricultural producers for

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that side. That's separate and we're not

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asking the town to commit to anything on

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that, but that's a separate effort for

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that side. So trees would be removed in

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areas where they are already falling in

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or or already gone essentially and a 50

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foot wide tree corridor would be put

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back in that area. There is not

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currently a path there on the expansion

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property. I'm sure you're familiar with

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the area. Uh this project would allow a

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future path. Uh, I'm going to not call

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it a paved path or a greenway, but a

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path that could be used. But if we don't

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do the project, putting a path there

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would be somewhat at risk because the

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river is moving quite rapidly onto the

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propert. And that's one of the items I

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just wanted to bring forward as well. Uh

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Greg, if if council would look on the in the black box there on the right

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hand side, the the water would be

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flowing into that bend which is at the

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you know pushing into our property over

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time. And so as we look at activating

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that area just by the flow of water uh

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with having you know conversations with

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Greg there is there are major concerns

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that we are going to start losing that

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property just because of the the

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degradation of that stream bank. So

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right now, the reason why we're coming

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for you to you right now is because

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there's a benefit with the FEMA projects

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that we already know that we have to do

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to get back to preheline conditions

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while acknowledging that this is a

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project that requires mitigation and

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stabilization.

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Those projects could go simultaneously

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keeping the funding sources completely

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separate, making sure because FEMA funds

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cannot be used for this and we're very

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clear on that. yet being able to then

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make sure that the that area is stable

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and ready for future park use uh at the

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same time instead of potentially using

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FEMA funds or using FEMA funds to work

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downstream only for there to be

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potential impact again from the fact

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that this area here is going to continue

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to degrade.

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questions.

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>> Mike, we're allowed to do this with the

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within the hazard flood hazard.

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>> I know the answer. I just say

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>> want it on the air.

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>> Yes. Uh the flood plane ordinance, one

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of the specific allowances is basically

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flood plane and natural restoration

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projects. So that would be allowed under

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the ordinance.

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» Thanks for getting that.

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All right.

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Go ahead.

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>> Good.

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>> Okay. So, we're good to do a motion. We

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don't need Okay.

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>> So, I'll make a motion to approve and

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adopt resolution 2026-14

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authorizing staff to apply for the North

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Carolina Division of Water Resources

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Develop Water Resources Development

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Grant for Riverbank Restoration on the

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Millser Park expansion property and

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authorize the town manager to sign all

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necessary documents. Right, we have a

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motion. Do we have a second?

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>> We'll second.

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>> All right, motion and a second. Any

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discussion?

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Right. All those in favor?

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>> I.

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>> Thank you.

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>> All right. Passes.

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>> Thank you, Greg.

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>> Thank you.

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All right. I'm trying I'm going to try

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not to get too excited. Is a traffic

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engine. I'm trying to, you know, breathe

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normally.

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But next item is consideration of NC DOT

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speed limit reductions by the adoption

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of concurring ordinances. Mr. Milich,

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>> thank you councel. Um, so this evening

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we're uh putting before you the

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concurring ordinances with the speed

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limit changes that DOT recommended after

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conducting the engineering studies uh on

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the roads identified by council. So just

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going back in time and recapping quickly

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for the public. So we had a discussion

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about general speed issues in the town

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in mid August. Um staff went to DOT,

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they studied those roads. We got the

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results uh in late February. And DOT did

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recommend speed limit changes for those

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five identified roads. It includes the

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eastern section of Schoolhouse Road, the

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entirety of Jeff Road, and I'll go back

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and state the limits. Schoolhouse Road,

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the eastern section going from 45 miles

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per hour to 40. Jeffris Road, the entire

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section going from 45 to 40. Uh Butler

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Bridge Road, the short section between

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Jeff Road and the French Broad River

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going from 55 to 45. Banner Farm Road

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within the town limits going from 45

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miles per hour to 35 and then a couple

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different sections on Boilston Highway

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going from 55 to 50. Um and so we

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presented those results to council in

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late February. Um, oh, sorry. We

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received those in late February,

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presented them to council in late March,

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and there was consensus from council to

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move forward. So, we got the concurring

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ordinances from DOT and the

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certification documents and basically

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are presenting those to you tonight for

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consideration um by adopting these

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ordinances and having the clerk certify

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them. The next step is I will send them

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to DOT and it will probably take a month

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or two for them to work through the rest

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of the process and then for the speed

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limit signs to be changed. I figure once

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the speed limit signs are changed,

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that's the the final basically uh

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regulatory requirement for the speed

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limits to be enforced. That's when we

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can always come back to council and

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formally update the traffic schedule.

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Um but in your packet, uh you'll see a

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number of ordinances. I did just want to

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explain there's three for Boilston

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Highway. One's for the northern section

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from Old Haywood to Cardinal. There's

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another one for the northern section

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called the westbound couplet. That's

544
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,480
just because it's a divided freeway or

545
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,400
highway there and so they have to have a

546
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:21,919
separate ordinance for that other

547
00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:24,400
portion of road and then there's also an

548
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,640
ordinance for the southern section uh

549
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,400
basically between Presbyterian Church

550
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,320
Road and Schoolhouse.

551
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,480
Um we did find this is in alignment with

552
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,799
the strategic plan goal six upholding

553
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,640
excellence in community safety and also

554
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,520
the comprehensive land use plan.

555
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,679
Happy to take questions.

556
00:26:41,679 --> 00:26:44,320
Do you know I think we talked about on

557
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,279
the southern portion of Pollston Highway

558
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,039
northern where the right before the

559
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:50,159
right after the fire department you know

560
00:26:50,159 --> 00:26:51,360
raise the speed limit right before it

561
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,159
got to the red light.

562
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:53,520
>> Correct. The southern portion. Yep.

563
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,799
>> Yeah. Did we didn't get any

564
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:56,240
clarification if they could extend it to

565
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,279
the red light.

566
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,080
>> They will uh change where the they will

567
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,320
basically install the signage so that

568
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,480
the signage for the increased speed

569
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,480
limit is after the light as you go

570
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,720
south. So basically drivers traveling

571
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,840
south won't see a 5 miles per hour

572
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,600
increase in the posted speed limit till

573
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,919
after the light. The reason why they

574
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:18,400
didn't want to change it before the

575
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,000
light is because it actually affects the

576
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,840
signal timing. They'd have to redo the

577
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,600
whole signal and they didn't want to uh

578
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,720
move forward with that.

579
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,159
>> Gota.

580
00:27:26,159 --> 00:27:28,320
>> And one other thing I'll throw out that

581
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,480
Mayor Prom Moore brought up uh a while

582
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,600
ago. I did ask about the uh school

583
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,760
zones, the speed limits. They said

584
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,600
that's something DOT works with the

585
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,679
schools on directly. So I didn't want to

586
00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:41,679
get ahead of council, but if council

587
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:44,080
adopts these tonight, I plan to reach

588
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,080
out to the school basically inform them

589
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,640
of the changes and if they wish for the

590
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,720
school speed limit to be dropped by 10

591
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,200
miles hour because it's not going to,

592
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,039
you know, it's usually 10 miles hour off

593
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,440
the posted speed limit. Uh we'll get

594
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,120
them with POT and make sure that

595
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,240
happens.

596
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,039
>> Sounds good.

597
00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:07,510
Any questions?

598
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:11,279
All right. Well, like to entertain a

599
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,200
motion if someone's got one.

600
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,480
>> I'll make a motion that we adopt

601
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,640
ordinances 202614

602
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,279
through 202620 approving lowering the

603
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,120
speed limits on the subject roads as

604
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:22,000
presented.

605
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,200
>> All right, we have a motion. Do we have

606
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,870
a second?

607
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,080
» All those are any discussion?

608
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:34,240
All right. All those in favor? I

609
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:35,200
Thank you.

610
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200
>> Thank you. Thanks for your hard work on

611
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,520
that. That's near and dear to my heart

612
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,440
because I started griping about it when

613
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,120
I first came on the planning board. So,

614
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,279
I mean, just that we didn't have a lot

615
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,480
of concurring ordinances with DOT. So,

616
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,640
but that's great. And I'm not saying it

617
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,240
took you forever to do it. I'm just

618
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,559
saying that it's hard work and people,

619
00:28:56,559 --> 00:28:58,480
you know, we got to realize that getting

620
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,279
these things done isn't a snap and it's

621
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,919
snap your fingers and it's done.

622
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,440
Okay.

623
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,080
Next, talk about the adoption of a

624
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,159
resolution 2026-15

625
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:13,440
in response to North Carolina General uh

626
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,880
GS General Statute 143-135 for force

627
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:25,510
account labor. Ms. Ostein.

628
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,399
» Thank you, council. Um so one of the

629
00:29:28,399 --> 00:29:31,919
items um for one of the FEMA projects um

630
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:35,440
is the wellhouse and the wellhouse needs

631
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,279
a roof. So um the um resolution that you

632
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,919
have here in front of you is what is

633
00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:48,880
required if the town wishes to use staff

634
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,799
to do the work on the on the warehouse

635
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,760
and not fit it out. So that is why you

636
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,760
have a resolution here um to request

637
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,440
permission

638
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,159
um to actually have our staff to do a

639
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:07,360
repair for a project that could be bid

640
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,240
out to contract.

641
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720
>> Yeah. And thank you Julie for that. Just

642
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,320
a a couple other points of

643
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
clarification. U obviously we don't have

644
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,840
to do this for everything because our

645
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,520
staff does a lot of work around here.

646
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,799
That's part of their jobs. But this is

647
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,480
really around that contracting and that

648
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,320
construction type work. We do have a

649
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,679
member of staff that does have a

650
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:28,000
contracting license. Uh and so being

651
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:34,480
able to lean in on that the there's no change in expect of

652
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,559
responsibilities or costs that are

653
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:38,480
associated with this by using someone in

654
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960
house. There's no extra fitting or like

655
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,880
your internal cost structures that

656
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,640
change with this. It's there. It's their

657
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,640
hours. It's their time. We were just

658
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,559
asking we are asking for that permission

659
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,559
if you then

660
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,200
an outside

661
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,360
and that'll save time from having to do

662
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,279
a contract

663
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:59,760
someone were already paying they've got

664
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,720
the skills the ability so it'll be

665
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,640
should be a pretty good cost savings for

666
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:05,120
town

667
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,520
>> sure and it's also a FEMA project so

668
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,919
then it is time reimbured

669
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:13,190
>> reimburse

670
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,039
all right so this is the form the formal

671
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,279
part which allows allows us to do it and

672
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,470
keep the FEMA funding

673
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,159
» questions on that.

674
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:26,559
>> He's just making

675
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,880
salary not correct.

676
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,080
>> He's he will just be paid for his hours

677
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,559
work like he would normally for anything

678
00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:38,559
he does in the park. If we have this

679
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:41,840
future events, but they have to

680
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,720
reclock this indivision or would this

681
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,320
cover

682
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,519
is just for this one?

683
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,679
>> I believe they would. Yes.

684
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,480
>> Okay.

685
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,159
It's anytime you're you're doing

686
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:57,760
something that you would normally bid

687
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:58,559
out

688
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:00,159
>> that you have to come back and get

689
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:06,149
permission.

690
00:32:06,159 --> 00:32:10,389
discussion, questions.

691
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:12,320
» So, I make a motion to approve and adopt

692
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,799
resolution 2026-15

693
00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:16,640
authorizing the use of force account

694
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,399
labor to repair the warehouse roof on

695
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:19,600
the expansion property.

696
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,600
>> Got a motion. We have a second.

697
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,559
>> Second.

698
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,720
>> Motion and a second. All those Any

699
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,480
discussion?

700
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,240
All those in favor? I

701
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:31,760
>> we need to talk to FEMA about changing

702
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,760
the term force account labor.

703
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:34,240
>> Yeah.

704
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,000
>> For staff members, but uh I think that's

705
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,360
going to be a bigger problem the cross.

706
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,120
>> Sure.

707
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,200
>> All right. Now, we've got a couple of

708
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,880
vacancies on our boards. U the first one

709
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360
is the second alternate position on the

710
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,279
board of adjustment.

711
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:53,519
>> We have received no new applications

712
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,080
since last time we talked. Um so, you

713
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,760
have some options. you can appoint from

714
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,240
the applications on file. Um, one thing

715
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,039
I wanted to talk to you about is a lot

716
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,360
of communities um, use their planning

717
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,080
board as the board of adjustment. As you

718
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,200
know, this board um, some some boards

719
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,039
already serve on board of adjustment.

720
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,320
So, that's something you might want to

721
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,480
also think about is would you like me to

722
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:17,919
talk to your planning board to see if

723
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:19,679
any of those would be willing to serve

724
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:22,080
on board adjustment also. So, that's an

725
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880
option. Um or we can continue to

726
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,159
advertise position.

727
00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:31,679
>> Okay. We have we do have some some

728
00:33:31,679 --> 00:33:33,279
applications on file.

729
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:51,590
>> Applications on file right now.

730
00:33:51,600 --> 00:34:01,350
And I think that's They had said before

731
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760
it's a lot to ask someone. We've got

732
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,000
dedicated people that are willing to do.

733
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,359
It's a lot.

734
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:12,480
>> How many I mean I know at one time at

735
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,760
one point in time there was discussion

736
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,040
about letting the uh council serve as

737
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,280
the board of adjustments.

738
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:20,079
Do you have an

739
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,040
>> some places do that?

740
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:24,480
>> Does you have a legal opinion about

741
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,119
that?

742
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,159
>> I mean, you can do that. Um,

743
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,679
that is it's a lot. It's a big

744
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:32,639
responsibility. Um, and the issue that I

745
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,320
see when you're putting planning board

746
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,079
members on board of adjustment and vice

747
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,399
versa. It's two different processes. One

748
00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,560
is legislative, one is quasi judicial.

749
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,560
And it's hard to differentiate between

750
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,639
the two when you're trying to do both.

751
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,520
Would be my concern.

752
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:48,960
>> We have

753
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,000
I have experience where they have served

754
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,000
in both roles and I will say if that is

755
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,599
a direction that the council wishes to

756
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,520
vote for there's a lot of training that

757
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,480
has to go to uh making sure that we do

758
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,480
protect that they that they do

759
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,160
understand those clear differences

760
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,839
between those two and so um obviously we

761
00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:09,200
can get that training done but there's

762
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,520
also going to be a dedicated they need

763
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680
to be dedicated to make sure that they

764
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,839
go through all the required trends so

765
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,320
that we don't run into those issues.

766
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,560
having served on both at the same time.

767
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,079
It is Yeah, it's

768
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,880
turning your brain off from one way of

769
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,560
thinking

770
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:38,480
uh when you're in the other meeting is not always easy, especially if you know uh have certain expertise that

771
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,480
you're really wanting to do it. that you

772
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,960
have to put that aside and and listen to

773
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,839
it is um that what's being presented. So

774
00:35:47,839 --> 00:35:53,030
it's it's not easy

775
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,589
discussion.

776
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:00,079
I mean, I'm okay with tableing it for

777
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:01,599
now because it's a second alternate

778
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,520
position, but

779
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,800
see what pops up.

780
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,079
>> One person.

781
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,119
>> To do that, we would um

782
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:13,119
do we do that with consensus or we need

783
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:22,710
to make a motion to table it or not?

784
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:26,160
» I'll make a motion that we table this. I

785
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,240
don't continue to advise the vacancy for

786
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,240
future date.

787
00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:33,760
>> Have a motion. Do we have a second?

788
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,960
>> I'll second.

789
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,200
>> Right. Discussion. Further discussion.

790
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,640
>> Do we have a future date? Do you have

791
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,119
anything in mind

792
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,640
like August?

793
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,710
>> August. The first meeting in August.

794
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:50,640
» All right. We have a motion and a

795
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,040
second. All those in favor?

796
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,880
>> I.

797
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,040
now have vacancy on the planning board

798
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,119
to discuss.

799
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,280
We did have

800
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,359
>> you you have received a new application

801
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,040
since last time we talked about this and

802
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,240
I've included um it in your packet. Um,

803
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:11,119
I did ask her to come tonight, but she's

804
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:20,710
out of town, so she's unable to attend

805
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,040
four applications on file and options

806
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:31,910
are from one of the applications. Um,

807
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,520
» wait till she has a chance to get

808
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:37,510
talking.

809
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,589
I asked um

810
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,680
why

811
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:50,470
I would be okay with

812
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,440
her over the weekend.

813
00:37:53,440 --> 00:38:03,670
>> I called her spoke with her today.

814
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:12,069
She said she's start

815
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:24,150
she have a lot of good.

816
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,160
Can I make the motion to appoint Amber

817
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,320
Fulmore to the planning board to

818
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,000
two-year term ending June 25th, 2028?

819
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,240
>> All right, we have a motion.

820
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:35,440
and a

821
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,040
second. All in favor?

822
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,520
>> I

823
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,599
>> All right, thank you. Do we have any

824
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,520
other business?

825
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:44,079
>> F.

826
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:46,240
>> Oh, some idiot didn't write it down

827
00:38:46,240 --> 00:38:49,670
first.

828
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,400
» I'm F.

829
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,640
Okay. So, we have a budget amendment

830
00:38:54,640 --> 00:39:03,030
grant project ordinance FEMA Z.

831
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,280
And by the way, when I say some idiot,

832
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,079
that's me. Don't call anyone else that.

833
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:09,760
Young people don't call people idiots.

834
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,119
It's no good.

835
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,359
>> So, council, before you is a budget

836
00:39:13,359 --> 00:39:15,520
amendment um for the grant project

837
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,480
ordinance with the approval of the

838
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,680
submission for the

839
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,839
grant um for um

840
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:28,720
the uh baseball field. The that

841
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:31,760
application that process was completed.

842
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,160
Uh the grant was awarded. We have

843
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,880
received the money for the uh baseball

844
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,400
field. So we are asking that um this

845
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,280
budget amendment be presented to reflect

846
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,760
what we've received from FEMA to cover

847
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,680
the expenses for that project that will

848
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,400
begin on Monday as well as um to add

849
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,839
some additional cost for CAT Z which is

850
00:39:55,839 --> 00:40:01,200
the administrative costs um to for the

851
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,760
engineering company firm to oversee

852
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,079
those as well as the land of sky that

853
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:10,079
helps us with the grant um project

854
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,720
management of the theme projects. So

855
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:15,359
that's what the um amendment here is for

856
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:19,440
is $45,000 for the CATZ administrative

857
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,280
costs and then the $161,000 that we were

858
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:29,430
awarded by FEMA for the baseball repair.

859
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:39,510
Have any questions?

860
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,000
So,

861
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,920
>> would anyone be interested in a motion?

862
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,440
You'll have to freelance this one.

863
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:44,640
>> I'll make a motion to adopt the

864
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,160
amendment to the grant project ordinance

865
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,800
2026-21 to allocate additional funds for

866
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,800
category Z

867
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:54,160
>> and the baseball field.

868
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,119
>> Thank you.

869
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:57,839
>> All right. Is there a second?

870
00:40:57,839 --> 00:40:59,520
>> Second.

871
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,040
You all right? Any discussion? If not,

872
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,040
all those in favor

873
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,349
>> I.

874
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:17,430
» All right. Now, on to other business.

875
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,200
» Um,

876
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,440
for this meeting, is there anything

877
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,599
other business? I'm not showing anything

878
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,760
here. And then we'll adjourn this

879
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,160
meeting.

880
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:32,630
>> Do we need to talk about Tuesday?

881
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,680
We don't want to talk about that.

882
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,359
>> It would be if council would just talk

883
00:41:35,359 --> 00:41:37,680
about it.

884
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,520
>> Okay. Sounds like we've got a candidate

885
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:44,319
for other business. Um

886
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:45,920
>> I guess it's just arranging who's going

887
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,920
to go since we made the motion to send a

888
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,920
delegation team down there.

889
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,200
>> Yes. So, uh yes,

890
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,520
mention BTO is who may miss the last

891
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,880
meeting. Yeah. So with the the a letter

892
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,839
was sent uh for uh council request and

893
00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:06,400
to the finance committee the house

894
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,920
finance committee uh earlier this week

895
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,880
to all all of those legislators and

896
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,640
their assistants also through our

897
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,280
representatives and also at that meeting

898
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,839
council uh requested that a delegation

899
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:21,920
would be able to go down there once it's

900
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,400
calendared assistance calendar for two

901
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,760
days not that try to better understand

902
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,200
whether or not that is still the case

903
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,400
for this uh for this council and or uh

904
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,480
if there's anyone who's willing and able

905
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,880
to

906
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,560
>> would now be an okay time for you to

907
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,960
read the letter so we can get it in the

908
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:41,920
uh the record.

909
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,160
>> I'm happy to read the letter if you want

910
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,319
to have that submitted. This is what we

911
00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,000
sent.

912
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,750
Y'all okay with that?

913
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Okay. Would you be willing to read it?

914
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,640
>> Okay. Asking me to read it. Okay. Yes.

915
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:02,790
Happy to.

916
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:03,760
» It's a long letter.

917
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,480
>> It is a long letter.

918
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040
>> I just hit the highlight.

919
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,400
If it's all right for the record, I may

920
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,040
read it word for word.

921
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,480
>> Careful what you ask for. Yes.

922
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,440
>> So, it says, "Dear honorable

923
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,280
representative Julia C. Howard, senior

924
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,359
committee chair. We the town council of

925
00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:23,119
Mills River, North Carolina formally

926
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:26,720
oppose part two of SB 1074 titled Mills

927
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:29,200
River Unified Development Ordinance.

928
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,400
Header legislative request oppose part

929
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,839
two of SB 1074 at a minimum amend the

930
00:43:35,839 --> 00:43:38,079
bill to remove the town of Mills River

931
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:40,000
ensuring the implementation of a UDO

932
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,560
that reflects the will of the community.

933
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,960
SB 1074 was referred to the finance

934
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,960
house standing committee on June 22nd,

935
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,520
2026. It is imperative for the house

936
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,800
committee to understand the town's

937
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,280
unique circumstances that generated the

938
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,359
downzoning exemption granted under

939
00:43:55,359 --> 00:43:57,839
SL2025-32

940
00:43:57,839 --> 00:43:59,440
and our yearslong dedication to

941
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,040
receiving and incorporating community

942
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:03,440
feedback. These efforts resulted in

943
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,200
council's adoption of the town's first

944
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,119
unified development ordinance in

945
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:10,480
parentheses UDO on June 11, 2026 by a 4

946
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,880
to1 vote. The UDO becomes effective

947
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,680
September 1, 2026. Part two of SB 1074

948
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,280
would nullify the actions of town

949
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,680
council and more importantly the efforts

950
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,920
of the town's residents.

951
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,800
Subheader Mills River, a unique story.

952
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,440
In July 2024, town council officially

953
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,200
approved a contract to draft the town's

954
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,040
first UDO, which included the

955
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,720
development of a new zoning map, the

956
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,480
first since the town's incorporation in

957
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,480
2003, at a cost of $194,000.

958
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,160
In conjunction with the project kickoff,

959
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,160
the town was considering a new less

960
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,760
dense zoning designation for

961
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,520
approximately 1/ half of the town's

962
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,599
geographic area located within a

963
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,079
mixeduse district. That district, the

964
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,119
Mills River mixeduse in parenthesis MREN

965
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:57,760
MU, covers approximately threequarters

966
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,839
of the town with few restrictions and

967
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:01,680
few dimensional standards, raising

968
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,079
concerns over future developments that

969
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,839
neither reflect the town's vision nor

970
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,640
infrastructure capabilities. However,

971
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,960
prior to approval of the town's UDO,

972
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,040
SL2024-57

973
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,880
passed, which removed local government

974
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,960
downzoning authority without property

975
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,280
owner approval. We believe the North

976
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,280
Carolina State Legislature recognized

977
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,119
the unique challenges the town of Mills

978
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,319
River faced when it approved SL2025-32

979
00:45:26,319 --> 00:45:29,839
which states colon Mills River Unified

980
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:32,800
Development Ordinance section 2.3

981
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:38,550
parenthesis A notwithstanding GS160D

982
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,040
601 as amended by section 3K.1

983
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,640
parenthesis A of SL2024-57.

984
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,319
The town of Mil River may adopt the

985
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,240
unified development ordinance initiated

986
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:53,200
by the town council in October 2024.

987
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,440
Section 2.3

988
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,920
parenthesis B. This section is effective

989
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,920
when it becomes law and any adoption of

990
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:01,520
the unified development ordinance shall

991
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,200
occur on or before July 1, 2026.

992
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,119
In light of such exemption, the town

993
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,200
worked tirelessly to create a UDO that

994
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:10,880
accurately reflected the goals and

995
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,720
desires of the town and its residents.

996
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:18,000
subhead communitydriven approach. The

997
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:19,599
town of Mills River made a good faith

998
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,200
effort to work within its granted

999
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,280
authority throughout the UDO process

1000
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,119
focusing on transparency and community

1001
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,280
engagement. Below are key statistics

1002
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,680
outlining our citizen focused approach.

1003
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,520
Item one or bullet one five total public

1004
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,359
forums with a total of seven separate

1005
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:37,280
sessions. Total time hyphen

1006
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,880
approximately 20 hours. sub bullet. Two

1007
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,599
large scale formal presentations and

1008
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:45,440
input sharing sessions at Mil River

1009
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,440
Elementary School. Meeting number one

1010
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:51,680
had an estimated 125 plus attendees.

1011
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,400
Bullet two, 10 office hour sessions

1012
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,599
totaling 34 hours. Sub bullet. These

1013
00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:59,200
sessions were conducted over a year

1014
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,880
where the public could attend, ask

1015
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,640
questions about the UDO, and provide

1016
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,760
their input. Bullet three, 11 town

1017
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,599
council meetings, presentations, and

1018
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,920
code report code review sessions with

1019
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,800
consultant. Sub bullet conducted over

1020
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,960
approximately 1.5 years to receive

1021
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,440
feedback and present updates. Bullet

1022
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:20,240
four, 16 project steering committee

1023
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,319
meetings. Total time hyphen

1024
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:25,599
approximately 39 hours. Sub bullet. The

1025
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,040
project steering committee was made up

1026
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,119
of members representing various local

1027
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:32,480
boards and committees. Bullet five,

1028
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,240
4,358

1029
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:36,400
informal postcard and sorry

1030
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,800
4358formational

1031
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,040
postcards mailed to all unique property

1032
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:45,040
addresses in January 2026. Subullet one,

1033
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,599
1,115formational

1034
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:49,440
one pagers were distributed to local

1035
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,200
elementary schools to reach parents in

1036
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:55,920
January 2026. Sub bullet two. 490 public

1037
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,000
notice letters mailed to out of town

1038
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,720
property owners in May 2026 announcing

1039
00:48:00,720 --> 00:48:04,400
the public hearing. Bullet six

1040
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,800
38 zoning change requests submitted by

1041
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,839
community members out of 4,330

1042
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:14,560
parcels parenthesis less than 0.9%.

1043
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,440
Sub bullet 28 zoning change requests

1044
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,520
approved. Correction period for all

1045
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:24,000
residents colon one year. Bullet seven.

1046
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,920
Four publicly available zoning map

1047
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,760
drafts available for review and feedback

1048
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,079
from the community. Community input,

1049
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,520
council direction, and steering

1050
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,359
committee guidance directly influenced

1051
00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,200
each iteration.

1052
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,960
Bullet 8. 21 hours of other public

1053
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:40,240
engagement through stakeholder

1054
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,160
interviews, informational presentations

1055
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,200
to committees, andformational booths at

1056
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,920
local events. The town of Mills River

1057
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,680
acts in good faith and within the

1058
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,200
authority granted in SL2025-32

1059
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,040
when adopting the town of Mills River

1060
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,520
Ordinance 2026-9

1061
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,599
colon an ordinance adopting the town of

1062
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,040
Mills River unified development

1063
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:03,119
ordinance official zoning map and

1064
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:05,440
overlay district map semicolon

1065
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,440
consolidating and replacing existing

1066
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,079
land use and development regulations

1067
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,720
under GS160A-1

1068
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:15,200
174 the town is granted broad ordinance

1069
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,599
making power to regul or abate acts

1070
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,839
detrimental to the health, safety, or

1071
00:49:19,839 --> 00:49:22,240
welfare of its citizens and to define

1072
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,520
and abate nuisances. The town utilizing

1073
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:27,040
such authority along with that of

1074
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,839
GS160D-601

1075
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:33,119
adopted ordinance 2026-09

1076
00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,200
to now undo what has already been done

1077
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,960
under the town's authority to regulate

1078
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,920
health, safety, and wear welfare and the

1079
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,920
abatement of nuisances would seem to

1080
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,160
conflict with NC constitutional article

1081
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:48,000
2 section 24 which states that the

1082
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
general assembly shall not enact any

1083
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,160
local, private, or special act or

1084
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,160
resolution relating to the health,

1085
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,559
sanitation, and the abatement of

1086
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,119
nuisances. For more information, contact

1087
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,119
Matthew McCarahan, town manager, town of

1088
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:04,800
Mills River, 828892901.

1089
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,319
Matthew mccaranham river.gov.

1090
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:11,359
>> Thank you. That was excellent job. I

1091
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:13,200
could have made it through that. Very

1092
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,559
good. Um, I think that was very well

1093
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:20,160
written. It was done. It was

1094
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,200
uh done by our town manager and our

1095
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:26,400
legal working with our legal staff and I

1096
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,000
think you all just did a fantastic job

1097
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,119
on that.

1098
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:32,720
>> Thanks sir. If I may, I'll just mention

1099
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:35,599
as well before this letter went out uh

1100
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:37,760
there was council consensus to send this

1101
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,040
letter out to uh council council was

1102
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,559
able to review and there was council

1103
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,720
consensus to send this letter out uh to

1104
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:48,319
the finance house. Very

1105
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,559
good

1106
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,720
questions, comments.

1107
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,280
I mean it

1108
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,760
that outlines the whole process and it

1109
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,200
also reflects the comprehensive plan. So

1110
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,119
it wasn't just four people imposing our

1111
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,920
will on the town. It was a council that

1112
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,559
listened to the people, understood their

1113
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,079
will,

1114
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:19,510
doing our best for the town. All

1115
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,440
right, that being said, who wants to go

1116
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,599
to Raleigh? Who can go to Raleigh?

1117
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,520
If that's still something we as council

1118
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,800
want to do.

1119
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,319
>> And if I may, I'll just mention because

1120
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:35,200
it's 9:00 a.m. on Tuesday. Uh there may need to be consideration for

1121
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,480
leaving on Monday for an overnight stay

1122
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,720
or else we'd be leaving about 3:00 a.m.

1123
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,839
on Tuesday morning. And if that is a

1124
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:46,480
desire of this council as well, there's

1125
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,000
we could have a discussion about whether

1126
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,079
or not there needs to be other potential

1127
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,800
meetings set up on that Monday prior to

1128
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,640
the Tuesday discussion. So again, I just

1129
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,160
throw that out for consideration,

1130
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,480
potential discussion. There's no

1131
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,430
recommendation.

1132
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:10,230
» I'm available to go if we need to.

1133
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:12,640
Next week's a short week. It's a 4 day

1134
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,280
week or

1135
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,079
you know at work. So it'll be hard hard

1136
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:21,040
for me to go next week. Lose for all

1137
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:25,910
intents and purposes two days.

1138
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,520
» Yeah, it's going to be hard to go Monday

1139
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:42,309
night.

1140
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,319
If council does not wish to try to have

1141
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,640
meetings on that Monday, then there

1142
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:52,390
could be a late Monday

1143
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,480
movement to you know, you know, a lead

1144
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,880
time departure time on that Monday

1145
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,480
night. I just want to make sure that we,

1146
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,240
you know, get there by the 9:00 a.m.

1147
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:02,000
meeting. It is sometimes difficult to

1148
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,520
get meeting. So it easier if there was a

1149
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,160
late at least a minimum of late Monday

1150
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,319
uh departure and then once the meeting

1151
00:53:10,319 --> 00:53:12,319
is over depending on whether or not the

1152
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:14,559
delegation wish to stay longer after the

1153
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:16,640
meeting for other meetings were to come

1154
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,040
back.

1155
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,160
>> I mean I don't think there's any issue

1156
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,680
with leaving after work Monday.

1157
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,480
>> I could do that. and it would just be

1158
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,270
one day.

1159
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,559
» We don't have to go all the way to

1160
00:53:32,559 --> 00:53:34,880
Raleigh to stay.

1161
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,960
We could stay and how out or something

1162
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,640
if that's a concern getting there too

1163
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,720
late.

1164
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:42,160
>> I don't go to bed till 1:00 in the

1165
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,640
morning anyways.

1166
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,480
>> It doesn't matter what time I go to bed.

1167
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,760
I'm asleep before that.

1168
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,520
Just where am I sleeping at at the time?

1169
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Okay. So we'll talk

1170
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,160
>> as long as we can coordinate. I mean

1171
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,920
we'll coordinate it outside of that.

1172
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,040
>> So what I'm hearing is that there's

1173
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,480
still a desire to go with a delegation

1174
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:16,790
with

1175
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,200
read letter. Well if we do I I can read

1176
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,640
it if that's can't read that whole

1177
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,829
letter like needed.

1178
00:54:25,839 --> 00:54:27,440
You'll do fine.

1179
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:32,400
>> Thanks. Appreciate that. Okay.

1180
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,040
Sounds like a plan. All right. That

1181
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,359
being said, I would entertain a motion

1182
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:40,880
to adjourn this the regular meeting.

1183
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,319
>> I make a motion to adjourn the regular

1184
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,160
meeting and enter into our business

1185
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,359
meeting.

1186
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:49,359
>> All right. Need a second.

1187
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:52,319
>> All those in favor? I.

1188
00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:56,559
>> Okay. Now, uh, call to order the

1189
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:59,040
business meeting.

1190
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,880
First item on the agenda, future

1191
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,800
preliminary agenda items. July 9th,

1192
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,680
adoption of the updated PAL bill map and

1193
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:09,680
charge the tax collector with collecting

1194
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,710
taxes.

1195
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:13,520
Discussion.

1196
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,040
>> Yeah. Talk about that.

1197
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,440
>> Yeah. Normally we only have one item. Uh

1198
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,319
so for the July meeting so this year we

1199
00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:21,920
have two just just the PAL bill

1200
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,520
requirements as well. So that that's the

1201
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,079
only rule of this year

1202
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:28,480
>> and then consensus I'm I'm good with

1203
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,240
that. What do you need?

1204
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:31,680
>> No just just making sure that you all

1205
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,319
are comfortable with the the agenda as

1206
00:55:34,319 --> 00:55:35,599
if there's anything else we need to

1207
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:37,920
start

1208
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,680
right now for August 13th. The only

1209
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,599
thing that's really on that agenda right

1210
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,760
now is around ETC computer survey

1211
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,240
presentation. That's

1212
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:52,400
the public and sorry I apologize the uh the public hearing for R262

1213
00:55:52,400 --> 00:56:01,750
and and as well as the

1214
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,319
August meeting set

1215
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:10,870
in July set.

1216
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,799
Yeah, I believe the public hearing is

1217
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,280
already set. We just set it up.

1218
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,549
>> Yeah. Said um

1219
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,400
» sounds reason. No, I I've had several

1220
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,400
people. I don't know if we need to do

1221
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,160
this during the business meeting or what

1222
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,760
we need to do. But on Jish

1223
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,520
that short

1224
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:39,190
the road

1225
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:44,789
around hurricane

1226
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:47,280
side.

1227
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,119
So there um and just just for

1228
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,480
clarification, we if you're coming from

1229
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,880
280 coming towards Atlanta, if you go

1230
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,599
through the bin going and uh going

1231
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,280
towards Lane on the right, there has

1232
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:00,480
been under there has been some

1233
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,480
undermining there. We actually uh have

1234
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,359
been working with DOT for uh we we

1235
00:57:05,359 --> 00:57:07,760
reached out to DOT quite a while back

1236
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,280
about that issue because we've heard

1237
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,280
from those that live up uh in those

1238
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,920
neighborhoods about that concern. And so

1239
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,599
at least Mike, I don't want to put you

1240
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:17,119
on the spot here, but at least my memory

1241
00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:19,680
served to me that

1242
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,000
well instead of me trying to do it, Mike

1243
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:22,640
again. So

1244
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,079
>> I remember y

1245
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:26,720
>> uh very familiar with that section. Um

1246
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:29,280
besides just submitting a request to DOT

1247
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:31,119
through their portal, we also emailed

1248
00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,280
the maintenance yard supervisors so they

1249
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,319
are aware of it. Um, I actually went out

1250
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:38,160
and climbed down that bank and believe

1251
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,799
it or not, there are uh dozens of uh

1252
00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:45,200
animal dens in the hillside that are

1253
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,960
also contributing to the undermining.

1254
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,040
And so we got DOT to put I think a

1255
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:51,599
couple of cones out, but uh we got

1256
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:53,119
basically the response that they would

1257
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:54,720
put it on their list and they would get

1258
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,520
to it as time allows. I'm happy to

1259
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,280
follow up on that with them again if

1260
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,359
that's

1261
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:03,839
>> they did fix

1262
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:04,720
bridge. Yes,

1263
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,750
>> they did some repault

1264
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,960
there because it's coming back

1265
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,799
roads getting

1266
00:58:14,799 --> 00:58:16,000
>> pretty scary.

1267
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,599
>> I'd be happy to bring that back to their

1268
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,440
attention.

1269
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,680
>> Very good. Thank you.

1270
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,520
All right.

1271
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,920
any future potential agenda items we

1272
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:32,230
want to talk about.

1273
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,920
» Okay,

1274
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,760
>> I make a motion to adjourn.

1275
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:36,880
>> I'll second.

1276
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,920
>> All right. All in favor?

1277
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,520
>> I

1278
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,359
thanks for coming tonight. Thanks for

1279
00:58:43,359 --> 00:58:45,520
what y'all do. Thank you for being up

1280
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,760
here. Thank you.

1281
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:51,160
That was fast.