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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, liberty and

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justice for all.

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right, good to see everybody out

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I'd like to make a couple changes

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on our quarterly update to get these

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guys out of here a little bit quicker.

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consent and we're dragging it back down

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>> So I make a motion to approve the agenda

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with the modifications.

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>> Thank you Brian. Second.

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>> Thank you Sandra. Any more discussion on

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hearing? None. All in favor? I. Any

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public comment. Uh Mr. Schmidt, you're

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» Uh I don't have much to say tonight. I

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anything. So it's on Muaness. I was at a

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lawyer's house uh meeting today. Anyhow,

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minutes of time that you give us all to

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speak our grievances or to say whatever

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or even to uh applaud what you're doing,

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democratic sort of thing, but it's not

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100%. What we really need here is we

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really need you guys to be accountable

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to us and and we should be able to ask

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you guys a question. One question,

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that's all.

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one question per person per occurrence

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and get an answer. I asked you guys a

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question last time. I want to know who

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was responsible for taking a

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planning thing from reszoning a little

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bit of 280 and some changes in the

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nomenclature to all of a sudden this big

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uh UDO pro program that we got now that

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we paid $200,000 for. who made that

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decision to go from something that was

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small and microscopic and approved by

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and all of a sudden it becomes this big

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program that we're spending all this

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money on and the state says no because

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you we didn't grant you that.

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know who who did that. I want to know

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who's responsible for wasting that money

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because it's a waste of money. We're not

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going to use Yeah. We we cobble some use

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out of it after post after the the

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destruction,

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but we as taxpayers are not getting

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value for our money there. And we ought

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to know who was responsible for doing

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that. That person should be accountable

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to us, whether it be a counselor or one

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of the staff who. And I I found a very

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interesting law that entitles me to know

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who that is. There's a law on the books

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in the constitution. This section 18

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USC subsection 242. It's called the

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deprivation of rights under the color of

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law. And if I can kind of put it in my

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words for you, it means that you as

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officials do not have the right to deny

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me my constitutional right of knowing

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who is doing what under my name.

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and can be in prison for that. So, I

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want an answer to my question by next

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meeting. You can write me got my

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address. I'll write you an official

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letter if you'd like asking it. I want

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your agenda and try to adapt it so that

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period. Just maybe one question. Add

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another minute to the three minutes. Do

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it. Let's get a democratic process going

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here where you guys have got to be

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the only one I had wrote down. Anybody

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else? Going once, twice, three times.

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is that even a possibility after hearing

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that? I mean, you know, somehow we need

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to address some of these things as they

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come. you know, some bigger than others,

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but can somebody this week somehow get

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him an official email to try to answer

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the um to the question about public

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comment the um typically from the public

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comment period questions are asked then

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moving into council comments that's an

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opportunity for council to respond okay

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to any type of public comment that they

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may wish or provide any other comments

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that they may wish um at that time um

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but yes absolutely we're happy to reach

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out and uh see if we can assist with his

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right with you would it be okay for all

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the council to get copied in on Yeah,

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comment, we don't want to get into a

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any time. I'll be glad to respond and um

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you just anytime. Um and and feel free

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to hold us accountable at election time.

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your neck, you know,

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>> but it's too late for the damage that's

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getting done. That's what

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certainly welcome to your opinion and

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>> Major updates.

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Thank you, Mayor and Council. Just a few

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updates for you. First of all, you may

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have seen that uh the fencing around the

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has been taken down. Um it's a lot of

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work that's been put into making sure

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that the North Loop is back in in

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preheline conditions. And so right now

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the full loop, the full north loop is

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open and available for all uh park

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patrons to come out and enjoy again. So

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we were, you know, we've been sitting

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around really trying to work as fast as

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possible to make that happen for the

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community and we're very thankful that

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we're able to do it before the end of

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the summer this year. There are going to

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be some closures from time to time as we

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still work through it. Well, we've we've

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accomplished what's called substantial

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completion of the construction project,

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but there's going to still be some

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projects that happen from time to time

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back there. As you may see, there's

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still some areas that are fenced off in

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the middle of the meadow area because

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there's a retention pond in there,

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sediment uh retention pond, and other

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elements that are going to have to be

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worked on as we finalize the project.

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really want people to come out and enjoy

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being able to get access to the river

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again and be able to exercise and

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recreate back there. And I really want

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to thank the staff for all of their hard

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work in making that happen. It took a

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lot of lot of effort. The uh another

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item, the baseball field. Again, I'm

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kind of getting ahead of myself a little

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bit. We're going to have a major

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projects update here in in a few

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minutes. Uh but also, we've we've done a

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walk through for the baseball field

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project as well. So, we're going into

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the closeout process of that. So,

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there's still going to be some temporary

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fencing there as well as we try to get

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some, uh, grass growing in that back

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but uh, for all intents and purposes,

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again, being able to open that, being

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able to utilize that soon. Uh, just keep

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an eye out for, we're going to keep

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updates on social media, on our website,

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etc. about uh, any potential closures

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around that as well. Last, everyone's

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favorite topic, auditing. Uh if Kristen

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taxes are everybody's favorite uh uh uh

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topic, but we're right now in the middle

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of the audit process. We had the

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it was last week. Yes. And so um they've

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concluded their on-site inspections and

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November uh to present to you. So, and

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set aside any other time. Okay.

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>> Thank you, Sandra. Second.

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>> All right. Second. Any more discussion

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>> Hearing none. All in favor? I. Any

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quarter presentation. I guess our

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Mills River Fire and Rescue's new fire

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chief, Bart Travis. I'm going to call

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him up here uh to the podium. I just

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wanted to in in addition to providing an

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update for us, I really just wanted to

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introduce him uh you know to council and

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to the community. really want to thank

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you uh for all the hard work you've been

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doing over there and for just the work

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in the last few weeks that we've been

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working together. It's been really a

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having me uh uh meeting. So I am 24 days

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been fantastic so far. Uh everybody

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super nice, super helpful. um community

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and my wife and I are just thrilled to

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be here. Uh so if you ever need anything

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from the fire department aspect um

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please get up with me uh or the uh um

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town manager and we'll make that happen.

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Um but all of our interactions have been

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great. Um as far as the uh fire

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department is concerned um we have uh

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finalized a new building in station two.

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Um we are working on getting the

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financing finalized for that and we have

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a special meeting tomorrow to address

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that but we think we have all that in

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place and hopefully we'll get

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construction started uh within the next

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month. Um they have told us once it

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starts it'll be about 12 months uh

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completion uh depending on the weather.

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Um people tell me it kind of rains here

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every now and then. So we'll see we'll

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see how that happens. But uh everything

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looks really good with that. We're

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really happy with that. Um the month of

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September and October are pretty busy

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months. We've got fire prevention

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starting first week in October and the

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theme for that is uh charge into fire

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safety. Um and the idea behind it is the

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uh storage use and charging of lithium ion batteries uh to prevent

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those type of fires. Um so there's going

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to be a lot of information coming out

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about that. We'll be posting that on the

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website uh and getting that out as many

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folks as possible. Um we have uh I think

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four tours scheduled at the station in

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September uh with diff different groups.

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Um so we'll be working with that. So if

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you would like to come by and speak to

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me anytime, please feel free. Uh I'm

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usually there Monday through Friday. Um

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they didn't tell me going in. They told

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me going in I was only have to work

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Monday through Friday, but I've worked

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every Saturday and Sunday that I've been

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here uh because of calls and stuff. But

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it's been fun. Uh it's been very

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encouraging. Um do you have any

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questions for me directly about

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anything?

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What? Just glad to have you. Yes, sir.

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>> Glad to be here. Another logistical

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thing, uh we have uh two engines and a

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tanker uh that are in the works. We

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should have the tanker before the first

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of the year, the new engine supposedly

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right after the first of the year, and

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then the second engine, which would be

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the engine that replaced the engine lost

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in station two fire this time next year.

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So, keep your fingers crossed on that.

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But, uh everything we've got now is

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working in good shape. And if you need

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anything, just let me know.

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>> I'm good. You ever been involved in

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being a sanator before?

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>> A sanator?

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>> No, [clears throat] sir.

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>> You're getting ready to

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>> I'm getting ready [laughter]

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for a real mother.

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>> Look at Look at Brian. He's like, "Dude,

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what?"

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>> And there's there's room for our town

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attorney. Legit.

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>> It's legit.

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>> I'll leave it. It'll be a big surprise.

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>> Okay. [laughter]

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the co get you all. Okay.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. This is exciting.

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>> Okay. Good.

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>> Need to plan a day for it.

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>> Perfect.

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>> It'll make you glad you moved here.

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>> It will.

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>> Well, we already are. So, I can't wait

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to see what this is.

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>> It's interesting.

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>> Thank you.

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>> I believe our town attorney's invited to

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it.

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>> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It might be the

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new Santa Claus.

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>> Say we can find an outfit.

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>> I might I might skip until I know what

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it is. [laughter]

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>> That's right. That's right. the suit.

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>> He's got smile for it. He pull it off.

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>> The beard.

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>> You don't need one for Mr. Chris.

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>> Thank you, Chief. I appreciate that. I

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also want to call up uh our friends over

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at the Henderson County Sheriff's

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Office. Uh Captain Whitaker is joining

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us here to provide us an update as well

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over the last few months and also uh

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other things we need to be looking

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forward to in the fall.

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>> Good evening. Hope everyone's doing

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well. Uh sheriff's office, we've been

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pretty busy. Uh the calls that we've had

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in the Mills River area, we had last

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three months. Um 2,29 calls. We made 30

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arrest. We had 265 traffic stops and we

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issued 19 citations. Some of the traffic

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stops and arrest were coincided and some

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war services. Uh some upcoming events um

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if y'all don't know about them is of

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course the apple festival's coming up.

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Um state fair will be here soon and PGA

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tournament here. So I think we're going

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to have a not really Henderson County is

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going to have some traffic challenges,

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but y'all might get it coming off of 191

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there. So we'll need to keep an eye on

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that. Um,

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we have permanent, if y'all don't

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already know, we have permanent

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medication disposal dropboxes. That's

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where everybody takes their old

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medicines that they don't use, drop in

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the box. We have it in four locations at

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the sheriff's office, Flesher PD,

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Inville Police Department, and Laurel

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Park. Um, we've had some requests to

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have them put somewhere other than uh

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law enforcement buildings, but we we we

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don't we try not to do that. So, um, but

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those are those are located there for

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everybody to use. Um, there will be a

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medication tape back and document

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shredding. If somebody has a bunch of

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papers they need to shred will be at EDA

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United Community Bank, that's 50 United

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Bank Drive in Edeto on Wednesday,

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September 30th, 2026 from 1:00 to 3:00

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p.m.

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Um, and that's that's about it. Any

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questions or I know got Captain Galloway

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here in case there's any questions about

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anything

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>> anything

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we need to be watching for. Anything

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changed as far as the type of crimes or

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anything?

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>> Scams are my phone is blowing up this

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week with scams, but that's the biggest

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thing.

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>> Um

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I don't know what the trending scam is.

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Do you know what the the newest?

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>> There's three or four. I've been getting

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that one about TransUnion Equifax on my

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phone. My wife got one today for

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Facebook. So, just be aware.

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>> Yeah, just be aware.

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>> Yeah, federal federal um federal agents

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or you miss jury or some stuff like

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that. So, just be aware. It's a We've

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had quite a few reports this past month

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being scanned. All right.

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>> Thanks, sir. appreciation bunch always.

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» Thank you, gentlemen. Uh so I'm going to

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turn it over now for Julie to uh jump in

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here with the financial update. So just

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as a reminder, they we're we we start

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with the financial analysis and then go

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into major projects and initiatives. Uh

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obviously we've just gone through the

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public safety partner updates as well.

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And so Julie, if you want to drive the

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train, I'll click for you.

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Good evening, council. It's my privilege

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to present tonight's report to you for

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the quarter ending June 30, 2026.

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Uh just a couple things that we want to

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bring to your attention. At the close of

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June 30th, fiscal year end, property tax

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collections were at 99.68%.

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Um total outstanding as of June 30 for

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the most recent uh property tax year was

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$14,29.

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Total collection outstanding for all

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years is 58,502.

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um wanted to uh let you know kind of

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where we stood as of the end of the year

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as it relates to our re our revenues and

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those compared to what we had budgeted

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um the sales tax revenues that you see

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here um there is still one more um

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dispersement that gets acred back to

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June 30 because it runs three months in

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a readers. So, um, with the 11 months

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that we have presented here, it's at 2.1

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million. We budgeted to 2,ion44,000.

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Um, the average collection for Mills

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River per month is about $150,000. So,

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we should see about another 155 $160,000

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added to that line item for June 30. Um,

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all the other line items you can see

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there, the grants were at 100%, power

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bill was at 100%. Our miscellaneous

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revenues were up slightly over our

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budget because the revenues for those

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River Day sponsorships was up as well as

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the vendors for that event. Um, we

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actually actually also had 66,000 in

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park revenues. Um so that is a makes it

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167% of what we had budgeted. Um and

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then our investments were much more

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successful than what we anticipated. Um

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and so that is why we have 357,000

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versus the 280,000 that we originally

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budgeted. So without the final sales tax

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number, we're at 7.2 million versus our

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$7.4 million budget.

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and we did not have to use any

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appropriate fund balance for that.

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Um on our expenditures, you can see that

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um several of the line items uh are

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slightly below budget. Um the capital

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reserves, debt service, lease and fire

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are all things that we are required to

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pay 100% of what the contracts are. So

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that's why those items are shown at

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100%. All the other items are there just

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slightly below or um within 20% of what

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we had originally budgeted. Um as a

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reminder, we budgeted expenditures

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for staff if they all walked out the

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door. So that's why all your major

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budgeted expenditure line items for

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staff are below budget because that did

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not occur. So our budget versus actual

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surplus as of June 30 before the last

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sales is $460,14

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on our fund balance um commitment. You

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can see that um as of June 30, our fund

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balance at the percent of general fund

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expenditures is at 103% of our

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expenditures and your requirement is

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between 65 and 75%.

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So we have been able to put them put

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that money aside um as you have

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requested for um not only the reserve

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but also for the capital projects that

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you um are planning in this year and the

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future years.

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Uh this budget is just umformational to

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show you the blue lines are the 2526

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or 2425 here and the the the line is the

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current fiscal year budget that just

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ended. So you can see where those uh

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main differences are. Um the the one

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decrease that you see there is that um

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in 2425

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there was nothing budgeted for the lease

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agreement um because that was actually

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shown in FEMA and this year um because

539
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,640
that there was just a little bit left

540
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,760
this year we left it in the J. Um but

541
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,679
most of the line items with the

542
00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:14,400
exception of um the the miscellaneous

543
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,559
lease agreement there are are fairly

544
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,559
consistent from year to year with the

545
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:21,279
exception there permit and fees. Um you

546
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:24,799
can see where it is a lot different from

547
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,559
one year to the other but the other ones

548
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:31,200
are fairly consistent. Um

549
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200
and then on the expenditure side, you

550
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,960
can you can clearly see that um we're

551
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,840
staying right along in line with what

552
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,559
you have budgeted in prior years. Um

553
00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,039
streets and highways of course is pow

554
00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:49,760
bill funds. Um and there is a um that

555
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,000
the city will the town will actually be

556
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,840
budgeting expenditure to repair the town

557
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,080
streets this year. So that money will be

558
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,640
actually spent in this coming fiscal

559
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,960
year. It was not spent in last fiscal

560
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,440
year

561
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,480
on the capital projects. Uh you can see

562
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,559
where we ended up on the items um that

563
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:16,320
you had uh directed us to complete for

564
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,679
the uh fiscal year ending June 30. On

565
00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:22,240
the park maintenance facility needs and

566
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,919
assessment. Uh we budgeted $150,000.

567
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:28,720
That contract came in at $48,000. So

568
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840
that is uh complete. The town hall

569
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,080
carpeting was u budgeted at 118 and it

570
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,039
came in at 81,000. So you can see in all

571
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,240
of those line items that we um were able

572
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,520
to be right at the budget or just below

573
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,760
the budget. uh the basketball court

574
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,000
resurfacing was actually completed in

575
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,159
this fiscal year and a budget amen

576
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:54,399
amendment was presented last uh at the

577
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:56,960
last meeting to move those funds into

578
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,360
the current fiscal year. So that's why

579
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,880
there's nothing shown there. Um this report here just kind of shows you

580
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,240
what uh we have spent on Helen. Our

581
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,200
total expenditures to date are $685,938

582
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,840
of the 2.8 8 million that we have

583
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,240
budgeted anticipating

584
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,279
uh to be expended. Uh the majority of

585
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:23,760
that of course is in Catg Park

586
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,399
facilities. U most of that is the

587
00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:32,230
riverbank restoration.

588
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,640
Um the main items that we wanted to

589
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,000
bring to your attention were the

590
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,600
contracts and agreements that were

591
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640
signed during quarter 4, which is April

592
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,880
to June 30. Um, and you can see here,

593
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,559
um, most of these were brought to

594
00:29:46,559 --> 00:29:48,640
council for your approval, but we did

595
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360
want to just include those as a reminder

596
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,679
for you here. The North Loop Meadow

597
00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,960
project, the community survey with ETC

598
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,000
Institute, the audit contract for this

599
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,000
uh, fiscal year that they are auditing

600
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,279
now, the baseball field, and then uh,

601
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:07,919
one that you might not be aware of is

602
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:10,480
the U. the federal government came down

603
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,039
with an American with disabilities web

604
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:16,159
content accessibility requirement. Um,

605
00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:18,880
and so we we had to buy some software in

606
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,520
order to make the town's website and

607
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,720
documents ADA accessible. And so that

608
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,200
was signed on June the 30th and it was

609
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,789
for about 50.

610
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,720
» Thank you, Julie. Uh, we're the next

611
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,399
slides go into the major projects. Are

612
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,960
there any questions so far from council?

613
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,279
Julie, what made the permits and fees

614
00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:41,600
jumped so drastic on revenues?

615
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,200
>> I think what it was the difference

616
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,399
between 24 and 25 is that some things

617
00:30:46,399 --> 00:30:49,679
that were shown in that line item in the

618
00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:52,880
previous year were not truly permits and

619
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,840
fees. Okay.

620
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,360
>> And so we've been moving that correctly.

621
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,120
>> I got

622
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:00,480
see that balance out next year.

623
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,240
>> Yes, sir. I think it was just a

624
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,360
reporting.

625
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,679
>> Okay.

626
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:08,240
The revenue was correct. It was just in

627
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,046
>> where it was placed. Yes, I got you.

628
00:31:10,046 --> 00:31:11,840
[clears throat]

629
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,120
>> Oh, I got it.

630
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,559
>> It looks like the library was a little

631
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,000
high. Is there a

632
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,279
>> It was a little bit high because the um

633
00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:23,919
the maintenance um contract for the

634
00:31:23,919 --> 00:31:26,480
maintenance of the library for the

635
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,000
cleaning and things like that was a

636
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,440
little bit higher than what we

637
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:34,710
originally budgeted. Yes.

638
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,159
And that's one of the contracts that we

639
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:40,880
hope to go out prepaid for this year.

640
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,640
And also the the Duke Energy uh bills

641
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,480
also included a increase for the Helen

642
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,120
recovery um in the last two months of

643
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,960
that fiscal year which we did not

644
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,559
anticipate when we did the budget for

645
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,240
the library because they have a portion

646
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,799
of that utility bill.

647
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:01,840
It was both of those funds come up. Uh,

648
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,039
it wasn't in your recording. It's a

649
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:04,480
little off topic. So, if you don't know,

650
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,320
you don't, that's fine. But are the

651
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,720
solar panels still keeping up with the

652
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,679
electric charging?

653
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:13,582
>> That would be a cold question.

654
00:32:13,582 --> 00:32:14,559
[laughter]

655
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:16,799
>> And if it's if it's possible, we can get

656
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:18,559
you that information if you like.

657
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,000
Absolutely.

658
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,000
>> I don't know if we have it off on hand,

659
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,360
so Okay.

660
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,799
>> But no, it's it's a it's a good

661
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:29,750
question.

662
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,509
I see you.

663
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,320
All right, moving on. I've already

664
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,960
spoiled a little bit of this and also

665
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,000
just for full transparency, not all of

666
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,320
us fell within Q4. It was Q4 and a

667
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,320
little bit into Q1 of FY27, but I think

668
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:47,519
it's important enough to try to

669
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:50,640
highlight where we're currently at. So

670
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,000
the major difference that happened

671
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,240
between Q3 and Q4 and like I said into

672
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,679
Q5 is the process that we've been

673
00:32:57,679 --> 00:32:59,440
working with with FEMA and I know I've

674
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,919
been keeping council a breast of all the

675
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:03,679
various changes and expectations that

676
00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:06,080
FEMA has had. Uh one of the items though

677
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,440
that we've been able to do is move

678
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,480
towards obligation of the funds at the

679
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,240
current scope uh project scope that FEMA

680
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,760
has put out. Now, we disagree with

681
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,760
almost all of those project scopes that

682
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,320
you have uh that that they have and

683
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:21,760
we're working through what they call a

684
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,600
versioning or amendment process to make

685
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,200
sure that we actually become whole to

686
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,679
what the actual damages were. But now,

687
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:30,320
what you'll see on here starting in CAT

688
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,640
C covers and drainage, FEMA has

689
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000
obligated $25,560

690
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,919
uh for those covert repairs. We do not

691
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,480
believe that that is uh reflective of

692
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,279
the actual damage uh to our covert

693
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:44,880
repairs. However, that's the first step

694
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,600
before we can get that amended. Um, as

695
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,760
you can see, one of the five coverts was

696
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,519
replaced during the North Loop uh

697
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:53,840
repairs due to failure. Um, there are

698
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,120
other there's another one that we're

699
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,640
also working on and we're monitoring

700
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,320
right now that we're going to be quickly

701
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,399
jumping on that needs to be repaired as

702
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:03,600
well. Um, and so we are requesting that

703
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,080
amendment process that first that first

704
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,159
covert just as an example back in the

705
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,320
north loop, it's the uh construction

706
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,000
entrance. I believe that came in around

707
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,879
35,000 385

708
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:17,119
right right around that uh number. So as

709
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:18,960
you can see we disagree with the the

710
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,200
FEMA number right now but uh the one

711
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,520
thing that's good is that they will go

712
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,000
and update if there's a scope of work

713
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,919
change and we believe that there is for

714
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:32,480
obvious reasons. Uh the CAT E project um

715
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,839
FEMA obligated uh uh and we received

716
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:39,119
just over $5,300. does mirror our cost

717
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:41,119
minus what we received from insurance.

718
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,040
So, we did become whole on that one. The

719
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:44,960
total claims from the League of

720
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,200
Municipalities was a little over 23,000.

721
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,520
So, again, we became whole based off of

722
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,560
those two reimbursement strategies.

723
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,159
Uh the CAT D uh utilities, we have

724
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,599
completed the repairs of the well and

725
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,800
the wellhouse. Um, and I really want to

726
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,560
just take a moment and also thank our maintenance staff as well because

727
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,480
they did a lot of work to make sure we

728
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,000
did the final touches on that. So, the

729
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640
roof and the door, uh, the frame, we got

730
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,800
amazing to come out to work on that, but

731
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,280
really good work there. The there are no

732
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,280
remaining actions on it. FEMA obligated,

733
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,079
as you can see, just over $6,200. Our

734
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:23,359
total expenses were just over $6,700.

735
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:26,000
Uh I'm I made the call that ultimately

736
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,320
at the end of the day that $500 was

737
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:34,880
going to take a lot more time and and staff hours to try to fight that

738
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520
$500. So we just have decided to move

739
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:42,720
forward um and and just with that $6,200

740
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:46,240
amount, 6276 or 67.

741
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:48,240
The CATG G project, this is where most

742
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,000
of our projects still remain. Park

743
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,640
grounds and features. This is back in

744
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,040
the day, but as as a reminder, the

745
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,640
tennis courts uh FEMA denied our tennis

746
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,400
court request or project. Uh we

747
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,200
disagreed and we put forward a uh a

748
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,280
request to um review that as well and

749
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,160
they then denied that appeal process as

750
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,640
well. However, uh through the Office of

751
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,160
State Budget and Management, there were

752
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,400
funds that would cover the replacement

753
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,960
cost and we were awarded those funds.

754
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,119
Right now, we have yet to move on using

755
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,040
those funds because one of the things

756
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,119
that's one of the silver linings of the

757
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:30,160
OSBM funds are that they allow for

758
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,640
flexibility on where that needs to be

759
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,079
built. So, right now, since we're in the

760
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:39,119
park master plan discussion, you know, revisiting where locations

761
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,240
are, we have time to wait on that until

762
00:36:42,240 --> 00:36:43,920
you all get to make a final decision on

763
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,040
whether or not you want to build in the

764
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,359
same location or build in another one.

765
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:48,880
So, that's why those funds are still

766
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,400
sitting there. the as as you can see,

767
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,560
we're expecting to bring that to you all

768
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,520
in October of the park master plan

769
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,040
update.

770
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,160
The expansion property, as you as uh

771
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:03,440
Julie was talking about before, it's a

772
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,920
little over $920,000.

773
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,800
We are also put in for another grant uh

774
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,640
from the Division of Water Resources. We

775
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,720
hope to hear about that in October. The

776
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,520
reason why that matters, because a lot

777
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,000
of people may say, "Well, $920,000 is a

778
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,480
lot of money." And it really is uh we're

779
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,960
very fortunate to have that that that

780
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,960
money can only be used for FEMA related

781
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,079
uh repairs. It cannot be for any type of

782
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,960
mitigation work, any work that FEMA did

783
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,560
not put within their scope of work. So

784
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,720
we have to be very careful in setting up

785
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,800
those funds. However, there's another

786
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,320
section of the river that can uh benefit

787
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,280
greatly from mitigation that and that

788
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,599
would greatly benefit when we go forward

789
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:52,400
on the expansion property. And so from a cost perspective and a bidding out

790
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:53,680
perspective, we're trying to make sure

791
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,359
that we're putting as many of those

792
00:37:55,359 --> 00:37:58,320
projects together to make one one, you

793
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,040
know, attractive package for people to

794
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,680
bid on. We hope to have that information

795
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,200
uh that decision in October and then we

796
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,359
could start trying to work forward with

797
00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:08,960
potential

798
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,680
uh build starting in the late spring

799
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,160
early summer of next year. So again,

800
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,839
we're waiting but hopefully not too much

801
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:18,560
longer on that as well.

802
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,640
The one item that's not up here, but

803
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,040
before I get down to the the other two,

804
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,720
uh the kayak launch, FEMA obligated just

805
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:31,920
over $7,300 for that. we are in um that

806
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,400
appeal process right now as well. It's

807
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,240
slower for that one because of all the

808
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:38,960
environmental uh factors because it's in

809
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,359
the river. So right now that is in with

810
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,119
FEMA because so that they are trying to

811
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:44,480
work through all of their processes.

812
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,760
That one's going to take a little while

813
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,079
longer uh just again because of the

814
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:49,680
environmental impact that it's going to

815
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,480
have with the river.

816
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,280
the contract uh as we as I stated

817
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,599
earlier in early FY27 Q1 really were

818
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,280
able to make sure and sign off on the

819
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,880
substantial completion work in the

820
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200
meadow and the north loop the parking

821
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,960
lot and the covert that's under the

822
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,200
parking lot. The uh in Q3 you all

823
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,640
approved uh the the formal bid of just

824
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,680
over a million for that work. FEMA has

825
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,440
obligated as you can see just over

826
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,040
$280,000.

827
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,880
The reason why there's that big

828
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:27,119
difference there mostly comes down to

829
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,480
uh FEMA needing to add the incidental

830
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,839
debris removal to that project. As you

831
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,599
all may remember, we had to FEMA kept

832
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,280
going it's incidental debris. Now it's

833
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,320
not. Now it is. So

834
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,240
we have in writing that it is incidental

835
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,920
debris. We are pushing them to make sure

836
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,359
that amendment happens. And we believe

837
00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:46,800
that's the majority of where that

838
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,599
difference is. And also, I believe that that $1 million price point, it's

839
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:52,880
going to be on the high end of what

840
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,240
we're actually seeing uh what we're

841
00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:57,359
actually seeing with actuals coming in.

842
00:39:57,359 --> 00:39:58,960
So, right now, we're working through

843
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,880
that amendment process and hope and and I and I'm hopeful that we're going

844
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:03,839
to be able to close that gap

845
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:05,839
substantially.

846
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:07,359
And then last, but certainly not least,

847
00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:09,520
as I mentioned about the baseball field,

848
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,400
uh FEMA obligated just over $160,000 for

849
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,960
that one. Uh the winning bid for the

850
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,640
actual FEMA related part of that project

851
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:22,720
was just at $70,000 or 69775.

852
00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,520
And then uh there was a $5,700 that we

853
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,640
did additionally because you're going to

854
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,200
replace one foul pole. I I I found out

855
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,960
thanks to Nicole that they don't sell

856
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,440
individual foul poles. They they sell

857
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,359
them in pairs. Makes sense. Uh so we

858
00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:38,880
went ahead and bought the second foul

859
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,720
pole as well. That's why the 5700's

860
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,240
there. So, it just came over to a little

861
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,400
over $75,000

862
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,240
uh for that replacement. And as I

863
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,680
mentioned, it's in the closeout phase

864
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,520
currently.

865
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:55,349
Any questions about our FEMA projects?

866
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:59,760
» Do we have to give back like the 70,000

867
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,400
for the baseball field?

868
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,520
>> So, so the short answer is it depends.

869
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,000
These are all considered small projects,

870
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,040
right? So, uh, FEMA C categorizes

871
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,880
anything under a million dollars as a

872
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,319
small project. They're large projects

873
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:17,760
for us, small for FEMA. So, right now,

874
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,920
some some are a little bit higher, some

875
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,599
are a little bit lower. So, right now,

876
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,240
we're holding on to those funds because

877
00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:26,000
we believe that, let's just say in the

878
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,160
North Loop project, for instance, that

879
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,400
they don't um that they don't come up

880
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,319
and make us whole within that. we can

881
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:34,480
actually use those remaining funds from

882
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,280
the baseball field to help make us whole

883
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
uh across the board. So that's so the

884
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,240
short answer is it really depends on how

885
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:45,839
all the projects wash out and uh and

886
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:48,240
then from there where we have to you

887
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,760
know plug holes where we can. So we're

888
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,280
going to have to keep you up to date on

889
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,920
what that looks like as of right now.

890
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,400
The um

891
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,000
yeah so that ultimately that's where

892
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,599
it's at. So from a FEMA perspective,

893
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:02,880
from the state perspective, they want to

894
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,720
make sure that those funds go towards

895
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,960
those FEMA projects. Small project, they

896
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,760
don't necessarily care how those are

897
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:11,520
distributed.

898
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,680
>> But we are keeping

899
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,040
>> but because we also like to play very

900
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,200
conservatively. So we are making sure

901
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,079
that everything is uh very much

902
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,319
documented.

903
00:42:24,319 --> 00:42:27,829
Thank you, Julie.

904
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:30,800
Any more questions? All

905
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,280
right, just going on to other major

906
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,800
projects and initiatives here. Um, as

907
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,880
you can see, a lot of the items now, I'm

908
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,079
just going to briefly go through the

909
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:42,240
ones that are really new for us here.

910
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,839
Evaluating implementing a new payroll

911
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:45,839
system that was pushed to FY27. So, that

912
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:48,960
$10,000 was moved over into FY27.

913
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,079
Um, the AV system in the commons room,

914
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:54,079
the those updates you all approved in in

915
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:55,680
Q4.

916
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,880
Updates were just made in FY27. Uh, as a

917
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,440
reminder in the budget, you all budgeted

918
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,720
uh $60,000 for all repairs to any uh AV

919
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,160
equipment going in there. We've done the

920
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,319
first phase, which apparently means that

921
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,400
my voice, which I always thought was

922
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,480
carrying enough to begin with, carries a

923
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,160
little bit more in the off uh in the in

924
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,640
the common room right now. Uh but we're

925
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,599
still working through that. So, phase

926
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:20,400
two is coming here in a minute. Uh the

927
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,119
and I'll keep council um up to date on

928
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,319
that. It's going to be including

929
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:26,160
microphones and and some other work

930
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,240
that's going to be going on.

931
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,079
the

932
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:31,839
uh the next ones that are on the list

933
00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,440
for you, the community survey. As you

934
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,119
know, at the last meeting, we had a

935
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,280
conversation with Jason uh Moreno from

936
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,160
the ETC Institute. There was 15,000

937
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,400
budget in FY26. It ended up being at

938
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,800
14,000 awarded. So, we're very happy

939
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,319
that we were able to stay under budget

940
00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:49,680
for that one. The uh and that's still

941
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,200
planned for an uh a September release.

942
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,800
And so, um, there are a couple items

943
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,640
that we need to finalize, but then we'll

944
00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,160
be ready to go on that. The council

945
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,640
salary study, you all, uh, during the

946
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,400
budget process, council approved an

947
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,920
increase in December 2026. Uh, we are

948
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,520
looking to conduct a salary study in

949
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,079
FY27 with council included. We are

950
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,359
already having those conversations with

951
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:16,319
firms to see um which one may be the

952
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:19,839
right fit for the for the salary review

953
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,240
uh for a community of our size or for an

954
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:24,720
organization of our size. And then the

955
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,960
la that one over there was the last one

956
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,920
was been completed in Q2.

957
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:35,670
Any questions from administration?

958
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,920
» All right.

959
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Looking at parks and recreation, the uh

960
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,760
the as you can see quite a bit of those

961
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,760
are now were not applicable by the final

962
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,000
cost because we were moving them into

963
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,599
FY27.

964
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,240
So uh for instance like the space needs

965
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:54,960
assessment needs to be uh a part of the

966
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,640
larger park expansion discussion. You're

967
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,079
going to see some of that as a park

968
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,560
master plan kind of where that

969
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,720
potentially may fall. looking at the

970
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,040
studying of Hooper Lane, looking at what

971
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,640
that may be uh as a as a future

972
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,839
priority, and then for review and FY27,

973
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:13,359
creating scholarship opportunities for

974
00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:14,720
programming. So, there were no costs

975
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,960
associated with those three, but they

976
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,079
are um uh we haven't lost them. They're

977
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:21,599
still priorities. We've just shifted

978
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:24,160
them to FY27 and beyond. And then

979
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,000
obviously, park accessibility was

980
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,599
earlier on in the year at just over

981
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,920
320,000.

982
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,760
Any

983
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:37,109
questions?

984
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:40,079
All right, going on to the next uh the

985
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:41,440
three items here for planning and

986
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,440
zoning, land preservation program. I

987
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,480
really want to thank uh Mike for his

988
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,640
work when it comes to just diving in

989
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,040
deep to farmland preservation and land

990
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,200
preservation overall. As you can see, he

991
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,520
attended the the state voluntary a

992
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,839
district uh and farmland preservation

993
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,079
conference in July to gather more

994
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:01,599
information to try to find other

995
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,680
opportunities for us to continue leaning

996
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,480
in on this important project. So, as you

997
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,319
can see later on in the year, looking

998
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:09,599
for an educational event for these

999
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:11,839
programs andformational flyers. This is

1000
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,440
also information that you all council

1001
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,599
directed us as staff to look into. So,

1002
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:19,200
we are working on that into FY27.

1003
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,720
the uh UDO and land use code update. Uh

1004
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,480
in fact, I think you all received just

1005
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,720
uh the final draft right before this

1006
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,440
meeting for your review as well. Uh as

1007
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,160
you can see in FY27, as I know you all

1008
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,720
are well aware of the the amendment to

1009
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:37,359
the UDO contract totaling $32,000 to

1010
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:38,720
make sure that it is downzoning

1011
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:41,119
compliant moving forward. And we are

1012
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,359
still on track and on schedule uh to

1013
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:46,240
meet the deadlines that you all set.

1014
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,240
Uh the last one on here is town traffic

1015
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:52,079
schedule update and buildout. Um right

1016
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:53,119
now we're just waiting for the

1017
00:46:53,119 --> 00:46:57,920
implementation from DOT. Uh and so you

1018
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,599
know as council you may remember there

1019
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,359
are certain areas within town that may

1020
00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:02,880
will have some slight changes within

1021
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,960
their speed limits. So, we're looking to

1022
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,800
be in the next month or two having those

1023
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,119
signs up and then once they're up there,

1024
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:10,240
then we're going to be bringing that

1025
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,800
back to you all for formally adopting uh

1026
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,920
a traffic schedule that's updated.

1027
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,680
>> Okay. For those of you that didn't

1028
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,040
figure it out, I've got a question

1029
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,400
because I've been told when I lean

1030
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,839
forward, everyone knows I've got a

1031
00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:27,200
question. Um, so legally, if a speed

1032
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,480
limit is in a town,

1033
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,079
would the town has to do a concurring

1034
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,319
ordinance in order for that to be

1035
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:36,160
enforcable

1036
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,040
and then the signs have to be posted?

1037
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Don't we need to do the concurring

1038
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,119
ordinance before the signs are posted?

1039
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:45,599
Because once the signs are posted,

1040
00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,200
that's the new speed limit. And the only

1041
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,440
way it's enforcable is if we have a

1042
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,599
concurring ordinance. That's what we did

1043
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:52,720
before. It seems like

1044
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:53,520
>> Oh, we did.

1045
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,319
>> So, that's what we're going to do. Okay.

1046
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,160
>> You're awesome.

1047
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,319
>> Yeah. Okay.

1048
00:48:00,319 --> 00:48:02,079
So, it doesn't have to come back to us

1049
00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:06,870
for any ordinance. That's already done.

1050
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,630
» Gotcha.

1051
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,319
» Any other questions, council?

1052
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:16,480
>> All right.

1053
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,160
And then just a couple of those

1054
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,480
additional uh improvements as well.

1055
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,240
Julie already talked briefly about the

1056
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,920
basketball court resurfacing. It has

1057
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,359
been completed in FY27 as well as the uh

1058
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:30,000
resealing of cracks and and um and the

1059
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,200
improvements on the tennis court as

1060
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:32,800
well. We knocked those two projects out

1061
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,839
at the same time. Uh completed in Q4

1062
00:48:35,839 --> 00:48:37,760
were the epoxy floors and the hickory

1063
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:41,040
shelter. The uh park expansion project,

1064
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,520
as a reminder, was originally budgeted

1065
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,000
for $150,000.

1066
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,280
Uh the final cost was $267. We expanded

1067
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,119
that because it went extended through

1068
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:53,520
December 2026. So instead of it being

1069
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,760
just that first phase, it was that first

1070
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,280
phase plus for that greater scope all

1071
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,520
the way through the potential new master

1072
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,920
plan for you all to review. again coming

1073
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,599
before council. I just wanted to remind

1074
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,040
you that's uh why that uh uh discrepancy

1075
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,760
is there. And then the park maintenance

1076
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,960
uh facility and upfit right now through

1077
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,520
design cost just under $50,000. In fact,

1078
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,880
we're going to the next item on the list

1079
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,160
you're going to have to hear me drone on

1080
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,559
about uh fun exciting things going on

1081
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,640
with the with the park maintenance

1082
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,790
facility.

1083
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,790
Any

1084
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,599
questions?

1085
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,119
The most important question. Julie, did

1086
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:38,960
I miss anything?

1087
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,000
>> No, you bet.

1088
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,990
>> Thank you.

1089
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,160
» Back to our original a the discussion on

1090
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,800
the maintenance facility construction.

1091
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,510
Yeah, [sighs]

1092
00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:03,349
» we're going to just take one sec here.

1093
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,950
self organized.

1094
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,280
All right,

1095
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,760
mayor and council, I just want to

1096
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,760
Julie's also going to be up here walking

1097
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,720
us through this, but just as a reminder,

1098
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:19,359
as we've already talked about, in 2024,

1099
00:50:19,359 --> 00:50:21,119
um you all approved the Mil River Park

1100
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:24,640
expansion um u you know, expansion

1101
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,160
master plan, which outlined those future

1102
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:27,599
amenities and features, right? One of

1103
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,440
those items that was on that list was

1104
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,880
talking about a new maintenance facility

1105
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,440
because as that large as we continue to

1106
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,480
expand on the project behind us, the

1107
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:37,680
property behind us, having the

1108
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:38,960
facilities are actually going to meet

1109
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,920
those needs. So in FY26, as we just

1110
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640
talked about, $150,000 were set aside.

1111
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,680
We worked with WGLA

1112
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,240
uh as well as they subcontracted with

1113
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:53,040
ARCA design to come together to help us

1114
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,720
with both a needs assessment and then

1115
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:59,359
also with um that first uh concept

1116
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:01,920
sketch concept plan u for your

1117
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,599
consideration. And so earlier this year

1118
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:08,160
in May, May 2028, it feels like so long

1119
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,000
ago, uh, Tom Jones and Brian Moffet both

1120
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,839
came in and provided that preliminary

1121
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:16,240
design for your consideration. And so

1122
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,599
tonight's really just that next step.

1123
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:19,680
So, at that time, I mentioned to you all

1124
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,440
that I wanted to come forward and talk

1125
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:22,960
through the potential pre-construction

1126
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,400
and construction options and

1127
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,240
recommendations for moving forward, try

1128
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,319
to answer any questions that I can, but

1129
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:29,920
ultimately

1130
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,559
look at how we can start moving forward

1131
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:34,800
on getting this um moving this project

1132
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,440
forward. So, $275,000 was budgeted in

1133
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,880
FY27 and approved by council. Just over

1134
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,839
1.3 million, almost 1.4 4 million was

1135
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,920
slated for FY28 and about 1.9 million in

1136
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,559
FY29 as a part of the CIP. So again that

1137
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:53,119
5-year financial forecasting model as

1138
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:56,240
well as with um and like I said the

1139
00:51:56,240 --> 00:51:59,520
overall CIP that does not include uh

1140
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,599
right now that does not include

1141
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:05,040
operating cost that is pure new

1142
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,119
maintenance facility and the upfitting

1143
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:08,640
of the current maintenance facility.

1144
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,079
that is based off of the numbers that

1145
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:13,920
were provided to you all uh with uh uh

1146
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,440
during the presentation with WGLA there.

1147
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,040
There's additional money in there about

1148
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,760
$400,000 for the upfitting of the

1149
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,440
maintenance facility. You'll see that

1150
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,040
tonight in the design as well. So debt

1151
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,880
financing right now what you all have

1152
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,240
seen within the budget starting in FY27

1153
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,240
going through the next five years is

1154
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,240
just over 2, it's 2.66 66 million of

1155
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:42,240
that is slated for um uh for debt

1156
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,800
servicing and debt financing. And right

1157
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,280
now, uh, based off of the conversation

1158
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,960
tonight,

1159
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,559
um, depending on the direction that you

1160
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:52,960
all as council wish to take, we are able

1161
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:54,720
to move forward. And the one of the

1162
00:52:54,720 --> 00:52:57,520
first steps is to put this out, uh, put

1163
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,839
this item out to bed, get these pro, get

1164
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:01,839
this project out there and moving, and

1165
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,400
then ultimately get a price point that

1166
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,160
the LGC, the local government

1167
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,240
commission, is comfortable with for us

1168
00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:11,280
to have a conversation about our u our

1169
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,280
borrowing power. So Julie has already

1170
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,200
done great work on making sure that we

1171
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,720
are in uh good financial standing for

1172
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,559
the the debt that is potentially going

1173
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,160
to be requested. But again, these are

1174
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,480
all preliminary numbers. These are all

1175
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,119
very preliminary based off of the

1176
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,760
concept work uh that has been done so

1177
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,400
far. The next phase is really getting

1178
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,240
into what the actual uh uh cost will

1179
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:42,790
look like.

1180
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,240
already kind of did this without meaning

1181
00:53:44,240 --> 00:53:46,960
to. Sorry. In FY26, as you can see,

1182
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,480
that's when it really started those

1183
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,680
conversations. We've already talked

1184
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:51,760
through the budgeting items as well. And

1185
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,599
then again, in May, you will have seen

1186
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,359
that document. We're going to switch to

1187
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:57,280
that document here in just a minute. uh

1188
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,520
when I get the queue. Uh and like I

1189
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,280
said, we'll actually show you a little

1190
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:05,119
bit of uh the very very preliminary

1191
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:06,640
sketch of the community what would be

1192
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,240
considered a community building over

1193
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:12,069
there for the maintenance facility.

1194
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:14,079
So Kevin, if you can can you switch over

1195
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:27,910
from to me for the other documents?

1196
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,240
All right. So, this is the one uh that

1197
00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,280
you all uh saw as of May 18th. So, there

1198
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,960
have been no changes to the main uh uh

1199
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:37,920
maintenance [clears throat] facility

1200
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,920
since that time. So, as you can see,

1201
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,160
this is the footprint that's associated

1202
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,000
with it. It's just over um 6,600 ft as

1203
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,359
you can see on the on the property

1204
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:48,960
there.

1205
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,440
And so there has been a little bit of

1206
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,119
work making sure that we have entry and

1207
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:55,520
exit points that are coming out as well.

1208
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,760
Um, and you can see the connecting point

1209
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,160
that's over to the current um, parking

1210
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,040
lot. You scroll down for me, Kevin. And

1211
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,960
by all means, you all can stop me at any

1212
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,319
point. I just don't want to repeat

1213
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,000
everything you've already heard. So,

1214
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,760
here's just a little bit closer view of

1215
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,160
it. There's a a fence line that's in

1216
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:13,839
there. It also shows where some water

1217
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:16,480
options are as well that are a part of

1218
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,880
that and also some gating that would be

1219
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,829
necessary to protect the site.

1220
00:55:23,839 --> 00:55:26,400
This is what the uh the schematic

1221
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,640
interior looks like that uh that was

1222
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:30,079
recommended through our discussions from

1223
00:55:30,079 --> 00:55:31,599
our needs assessment and then also

1224
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:36,400
working with the designer the uh really

1225
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,040
making sure that we have uh adequate

1226
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,240
space for uh maintenance of our of our

1227
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,079
vehicles but then also the garage

1228
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:45,200
storage which actually have those

1229
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,880
passroughs. those bottom two bays

1230
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,720
completely pass through. And then the

1231
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:51,520
other one where the lift is is one where

1232
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:52,960
they can actually do more maintenance

1233
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,799
work on those vehicles going more

1234
00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:57,680
towards a hoteling style uh as well

1235
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,040
within the break room uh as well. And

1236
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:02,480
I'm just going to stop. Is it possible

1237
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,000
for us to get the temperature turned up

1238
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,280
a little bit in here please? And so the

1239
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,160
um and so making sure that we have uh

1240
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:13,599
adequate space for that, adequate

1241
00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:15,119
storage, but also making sense of where

1242
00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:16,400
the small engine and the chemical

1243
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,240
storage is for entry and exit points. As

1244
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,559
you can see, easy entry and and easy

1245
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:24,230
exit.

1246
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:25,680
One thing that was on the previous page,

1247
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,440
we don't have to go back, but we also

1248
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,280
tried to design this to make sure it

1249
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,920
actually will last

1250
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:33,599
uh through growth. So, there are a

1251
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:34,880
couple areas in there that are actually

1252
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,960
designed for storage, but will be able

1253
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,079
to be uh fitted for offices if we need

1254
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,280
to actually expand um um our footprint

1255
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,319
even more with additional staff. This is

1256
00:56:46,319 --> 00:56:48,880
the exterior version based off of what

1257
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,920
the current standards are when we were

1258
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:53,760
looking at uh making sure that it would

1259
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:57,040
fit within the uh the UDO confines that

1260
00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:59,760
we had. And so again, there may be

1261
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:01,280
changes based off of this, based off of

1262
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,280
what may be adopted by council moving

1263
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,040
forward, but that's the current model

1264
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,640
right there. Can you scroll down for me,

1265
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,559
please, Kevin?

1266
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,040
Again, just a couple of other images for

1267
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,319
you. As a reminder, we had a

1268
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:14,559
conversation with uh you all had a

1269
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:16,640
conversation with Brian Moffett and Tom

1270
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Jones about like the little popup window

1271
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:21,839
areas and other amenity features and

1272
00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:23,520
that can all be worked out again moving

1273
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,119
forward.

1274
00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:27,359
That also that bay that's exterior right

1275
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:29,359
there can also be boxed in and made it

1276
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:33,440
to a third bay as well if needed.

1277
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,920
Scroll on down Kevin.

1278
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,920
All right. So moving going down to the

1279
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,520
next one for me. So right now this is

1280
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,559
what the latest one again very early

1281
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,920
highle sketches. There's not a lot based

1282
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,720
off of the size of that space can be

1283
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,920
done uh when it comes to recreational

1284
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,640
uses. Quite a bit can be done when it

1285
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,640
comes to programming uses. So that's why

1286
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,559
it's called a community room as of right

1287
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:05,359
now. Um re redoing the entryway where uh

1288
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:09,040
the gravel road is for a lot and then

1289
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:11,440
having an exit out the back with a

1290
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:14,480
potential patio and sitting area as well

1291
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:16,480
on the outside. Again, very preliminary.

1292
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:17,760
I know this is the first time you all

1293
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,760
are seeing this, but ultimately, this is

1294
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:21,119
kind of showing what could be done in

1295
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,040
there to try to expand the footprint out

1296
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,440
to have both indoor and outdoor type

1297
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,280
programming in that space, which will

1298
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,799
act ultimately ease the burden right on,

1299
00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:32,240
you know, on this room right now, which

1300
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,200
is being used for quite a bit.

1301
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,160
Uh there you go. They again just concept

1302
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,119
very high level concepts uh from Arca

1303
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:44,079
Design as well. Ultimately though, these

1304
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:47,359
are preliminary. These are these are

1305
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:48,880
sketches.

1306
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,440
The the next step is actually going and

1307
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,000
hiring an architectural firm and working

1308
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:58,000
through the actual you know those next

1309
00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:59,599
steps. This is about when I was talking

1310
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:02,559
to ARCA design recently some you know

1311
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,520
somewhere between 10 and 15% of actual

1312
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,200
design. So there's still quite a bit of

1313
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:08,880
time to actually talk through what what

1314
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:10,640
you all as council actually want to see

1315
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,640
here. This is just showing what could be

1316
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,799
done to meet the needs uh that were

1317
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:18,789
identified through the assessment.

1318
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:20,880
Kevin, can you go back for me to the

1319
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,319
presentation? Unless there are questions

1320
00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:23,599
specifically on what you all have seen

1321
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:27,589
here so far.

1322
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:31,680
I got a lot of questions at some point

1323
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,720
>> and in looking for repairing or

1324
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:40,000
upgrading the current maintenance shed

1325
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,599
to a community space. Mhm.

1326
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,319
>> Um, I think you and I had talked before

1327
00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:50,960
about maybe looking at a place to maybe

1328
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,190
make it

1329
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:57,280
maybe a chance for the library to move

1330
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,760
down there to open this up for office

1331
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,079
space here to keep the staff all in one

1332
01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:03,599
building.

1333
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:07,280
And then, you know, at looking at adding

1334
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,040
offices to the new maintenance shop

1335
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,960
that's still going to have, you know,

1336
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,880
they already had one up there and then a

1337
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,359
work space for them. Are are they

1338
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:20,079
looking to put more offices up there?

1339
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,640
>> So, uh, thank you for the questions,

1340
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,640
council member. the the the first answer

1341
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,799
is we did look into that and it's my

1342
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:28,240
understanding that the current footprint

1343
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,400
of the of the library is bigger than

1344
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,480
what the footprint of that maintenance

1345
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,359
facility is. So, so even right now they

1346
01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:36,640
would that library would have to

1347
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,559
downsize in order to fit within that

1348
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,640
space especially when you include the office spaces that are in there. So,

1349
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,880
as of right now, I have not had

1350
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,280
conversations with the uh with the

1351
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:48,480
county on whether or not that would be

1352
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,559
an amunable space for them. just from a

1353
01:00:50,559 --> 01:00:52,400
square footage perspective, it would it

1354
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,880
would I think it would potentially

1355
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,559
hinder their work instead of expanding

1356
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:59,200
what their work is within that space.

1357
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,680
>> The and I'm just looking back at Nicole

1358
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,160
to make sure I I am correct on that.

1359
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:05,680
the

1360
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,079
um for the maintenance facility in the

1361
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:11,119
back. What we right now we have uh space

1362
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:13,760
down in the current uh maintenance shed,

1363
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,599
a maintenance facility where there are a

1364
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,400
couple of like three uh places for

1365
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,079
people to sit for our parks maintenance

1366
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:24,079
staff to use. And the new uh and the new

1367
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:25,839
design, the [clears throat] office is

1368
01:01:25,839 --> 01:01:28,559
designed for the supervisor. Uh and then

1369
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:31,520
the then we would have a hoteling type

1370
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,920
situation where again they there will be

1371
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,000
dedicated spaces for them to use but

1372
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,960
they won't have like a an assigned desk

1373
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,040
or a space or an office because most of

1374
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:42,799
the time when our park maintenance staff

1375
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:45,040
are coming uh coming in to check they're

1376
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,559
coming to check something real quick and

1377
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,240
heading back out. So instead of using

1378
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:50,960
that space for offices more of an a

1379
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,200
hoteling type option.

1380
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:02,549
Any

1381
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,599
other questions before we move forward?

1382
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:07,119
>> I'll wait for

1383
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:16,069
>> Okay.

1384
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:19,359
All right. Came back. Uh

1385
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:20,880
I know as council knows there are three

1386
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:24,960
main main core delivery models here. And

1387
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,280
so the first one that we're so we're

1388
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,680
very familiar with is the design bid

1389
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,240
build method, right? So essentially a

1390
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,440
design we bring a designer on uh through

1391
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,480
a procurement process uh or an RFP

1392
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,240
process. They we pick them, they design

1393
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,480
it for us, then we go out to bid for the

1394
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,079
construction, the lowest qualified

1395
01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,079
bidder for the construction then builds

1396
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:50,640
it. So that's the design bid build

1397
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,000
method. So you can see there is

1398
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,760
potential risk there of change orders

1399
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,200
that happen because right now the

1400
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,079
designer and the um and the uh

1401
01:02:58,079 --> 01:02:59,760
contractor are not necessarily in the

1402
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,200
room and everything's happening at the

1403
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,160
same time. Uh the design build is a

1404
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,640
single point opportunity. It is provided

1405
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,640
to us as you can see within the general

1406
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,200
statute. Uh it's where you can actually

1407
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:14,400
bid out one item as a single point where

1408
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:15,760
you can do both design and construction

1409
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,280
at the same time. There are benefits to

1410
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,440
that because the contractor and the

1411
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,280
designer are talking to each other. Most

1412
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:22,720
of the time that means change orders are

1413
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,799
going to be done you know before you

1414
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,160
actually start building the project. Um

1415
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:29,680
so it really does help with meeting

1416
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,640
speed. The thing is is that that means

1417
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:35,039
one person one entity is reporting to us

1418
01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:36,960
the contractors are ultimately reporting

1419
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,480
to the designer. Right? So that provides

1420
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,359
a little bit less oversight but it does

1421
01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:44,880
provide opportunities there. Like I

1422
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,720
said, the one thing that's big about

1423
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,720
design build is that we must meet NC

1424
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,520
general statutes for use. One uh I'm a

1425
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,359
personally a fan of design build

1426
01:03:53,359 --> 01:03:56,079
whenever when possible. Um but we have

1427
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:57,599
to answer some very specific questions

1428
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,640
in order to do so. Right. And so as of

1429
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,079
right now, the this project in in my

1430
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:05,760
estimation and when talking uh with

1431
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,039
Julie does not meet those uh the general

1432
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:11,839
statute definitions for that. The third

1433
01:04:11,839 --> 01:04:13,440
option is what's called a Seymar

1434
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,760
process, which is a a construction

1435
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:21,599
management at risk model. And so it's a hybrid model where essentially

1436
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:24,160
you would have a designer, we would put

1437
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,799
out a bid for a design and then we and

1438
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:28,799
we'd put out a bid for a contractor, but

1439
01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,640
it would be a construction management or

1440
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,720
construction manager at risk. So then

1441
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,720
they would be reporting to us both, but

1442
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,240
they would be in the room together

1443
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,039
working through uh any design elements,

1444
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,359
any other types issues that are there to

1445
01:04:41,359 --> 01:04:44,480
try to again make sure we're not going

1446
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:46,640
into, you know, any issues or change

1447
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,319
orders or any other types things that

1448
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:50,880
can happen later on within the process.

1449
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,920
It does change the model though. It it

1450
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,480
really does change the model where um

1451
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,960
the way it's been explained to me and

1452
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:00,319
from others that have used it quite a

1453
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:03,680
bit is that usually in design bid build

1454
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,000
the lowest price is at the beginning of

1455
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,960
the process. So you set the price and

1456
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,960
you know what happens after that you

1457
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,880
know it tends to go up from there. You

1458
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,920
try your best to keep it down from the

1459
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:17,920
Seymour approach. As you can see they

1460
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:19,359
have something called a guaranteed

1461
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:21,839
maximum price. So through the process

1462
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:23,520
with bringing the designer on the

1463
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:26,799
contractor who wins the RFQ on working

1464
01:05:26,799 --> 01:05:28,960
through and negotiating based off of the

1465
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,760
schematic which I would recommend around

1466
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,599
50% you would get the design up to about

1467
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:36,400
a 50% schematic design then you would be

1468
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,680
able to use that uh they we would look

1469
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,960
at them to put together a co uh project

1470
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:45,520
cost at that point and we would lock

1471
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,280
them into what's called a guaranteed max

1472
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,599
price and that guaranteed max price then

1473
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:51,440
ultimately Again,

1474
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,760
there can be some

1475
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,160
uh some change orders that can happen

1476
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,039
through that process, but again, it the

1477
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:00,480
goal is that since they've been walking

1478
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,839
through the process together and talking

1479
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:03,039
through that process, you don't get

1480
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,359
there. And then there are also some um

1481
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:06,799
benefits as well because there's

1482
01:06:06,799 --> 01:06:09,039
contingency monies that are within that

1483
01:06:09,039 --> 01:06:12,079
within the CMR as well that are designed

1484
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,799
also to help cover anything that may

1485
01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:17,760
come up that was unintentional or

1486
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,000
through the process.

1487
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,039
It's it's a right now for a project such

1488
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:26,480
as this the and I've had a lot of

1489
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,319
conversations with a lot of peers around

1490
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,960
the state about this is that a

1491
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,760
maintenance facility overall does not

1492
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,880
necessarily fall to where you would

1493
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,359
absolutely necessarily need a semar for

1494
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:46,720
that process. looking at staff staff capacity, looking at our um uh

1495
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,319
again our timeline for this, but then

1496
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:51,359
also looking at the uh the fact that we

1497
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:52,799
also had the upfit that we would want to

1498
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:55,520
bid this out as one project together,

1499
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,240
right? That it felt like the best

1500
01:06:58,240 --> 01:06:59,680
approach for this, especially because

1501
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,280
it's over right now the projections are

1502
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,520
over $3 million. And usually again with

1503
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,160
my conversations that three $3.5 million

1504
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,319
is the range where Seymours are starting

1505
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:09,920
to really show up now. They're usually

1506
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,440
they used to be in major complex

1507
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:12,880
projects. By the way, I'm saying all

1508
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,640
this knowing that the mayor is a is a

1509
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,480
builder. And so I'm waiting for you to

1510
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,559
tell me that I got something wrong. But

1511
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:22,160
the um but at that three to three.5

1512
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,680
million, we're starting to see Seymours

1513
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,240
being used much more at a lower level of

1514
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,319
cost just because of that conversation

1515
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:29,839
that can happen at the beginning and

1516
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:32,880
also that guaranteed max price. So those

1517
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:35,680
are the three right now in my in in my

1518
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,839
opinion. Design vid build and semar are

1519
01:07:37,839 --> 01:07:39,520
the two options that you have available

1520
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,680
we have available for us on this uh on

1521
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,440
this project. And Julie, I'm going to

1522
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,200
look at you to tell me anything I

1523
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:56,390
missed.

1524
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:57,839
here just from the contract structures.

1525
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:59,280
I've already talked about this a little

1526
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,920
bit. Um you do have separate contract

1527
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,520
with the architect and the builder with

1528
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,680
design bid build. They are separated out

1529
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,440
projects. They are the lowest qualified

1530
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,599
bidder within each one. Ultimately at

1531
01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:11,359
the end of the day depending on if

1532
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:13,760
there's a contractor that disagrees with

1533
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,440
the designer designer ends up with the

1534
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,920
contractor. Uh

1535
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:19,359
usually the town is stuck in the middle

1536
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:22,560
on those kinds of issues. Design build

1537
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,239
obviously again as we've talked about

1538
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:26,319
doesn't allow for that. um we don't

1539
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,080
think it's an allowable use for this

1540
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:30,400
project. And then the seamount uh

1541
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:33,279
seamount wow semar structure as you can

1542
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,080
see here really is a partnership

1543
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,040
collaborative approach. Um when I've uh

1544
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,640
and when I've talked to some of my uh

1545
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:42,319
like I said some of my peers on some of

1546
01:08:42,319 --> 01:08:44,640
the projects that they didn't use Semar

1547
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,430
um they wish they had.

1548
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:52,080
But ultimately this is you this is your

1549
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,239
project. I'm only providing my

1550
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:56,560
recommendation for your consideration

1551
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:00,319
and for discussion. Right? So the um

1552
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,920
ultimately you all get to choose and

1553
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,759
decide on how best to approach this that

1554
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:06,080
you all would like to see. The

1555
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:07,839
construction manager at risk as you can

1556
01:09:07,839 --> 01:09:11,040
see they are used as a trusted adviser

1557
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:12,480
during this for pre-construction because

1558
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:15,359
they report to us. Um we also do have on

1559
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:17,679
call engineering services as well. Also

1560
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:20,480
depending on um you know what the type

1561
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:22,640
of situation is, we can also lean on our

1562
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,359
on call engineering uh contract to also

1563
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:26,799
just make sure that we're not missing

1564
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:28,159
something to make sure that we're not

1565
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,319
seeing anything or that we're missing

1566
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,000
anything or there are any gaps through

1567
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,759
this process.

1568
01:09:33,759 --> 01:09:35,839
My recommendation as you can see here

1569
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:39,120
once design would reach 50% uh that's

1570
01:09:39,120 --> 01:09:42,880
when the the um that's when the uh

1571
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,400
construction manager at risk would

1572
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,239
negotiate what that guaranteed max price

1573
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,719
is. So the goal of that getting closer

1574
01:09:48,719 --> 01:09:50,799
to that 50% allows us to have a little

1575
01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:52,239
bit more of an understanding of what

1576
01:09:52,239 --> 01:09:55,120
that high value could be or should be

1577
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:58,159
for that. I've seen some seams that have

1578
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:02,159
it at 30%. I think that that's low for

1579
01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:03,760
us especially because we're risk adverse

1580
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,199
when it comes to these types of projects

1581
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:08,080
and rightfully so. That that 50% method

1582
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:11,199
is one that I uh uh I feel comfortable

1583
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:17,110
with.

1584
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:19,920
So Julie, you put uh I'm going to turn

1585
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:21,360
it over to you because you also did

1586
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:24,640
great work on the pros and cons list and the work behind this.

1587
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:28,480
>> Sure. So what this slide here refers to

1588
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:32,159
is um the benefits of using a CR and the

1589
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:34,800
cons of using a Seymour. Uh just so that

1590
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:36,400
you could you could see them all in one

1591
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:40,320
place uh for ease. Um there's cost

1592
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:43,280
certainty with a semar because you have

1593
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:47,760
the most price that you could pay. Um

1594
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,560
the one thing that um in a lot of the

1595
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,480
classes that I have taken in a lot of

1596
01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:54,960
the documents that I have read from the

1597
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,800
general statutes

1598
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,360
um the security bond requirement for a

1599
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,080
semar is 100% of your project cost. And

1600
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,080
I know you've had problems with other

1601
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,239
projects in the past where there was

1602
01:11:06,239 --> 01:11:10,000
disagreements. Um, this requires the

1603
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,960
contractor to to cover 100% of the cost.

1604
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:15,040
If they walk away, you have the money

1605
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,760
there to finish the project. Um, the

1606
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,560
Semark does require open accounting

1607
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:24,239
requirements. uh they have to have um

1608
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:26,239
they have to be willing to open their

1609
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:28,480
books for financial transparency for us

1610
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,960
to look at anything u related to that

1611
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,560
project.

1612
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,070
Um it in increases collaboration

1613
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,000
and create greater efficiency and

1614
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,800
shorter time

1615
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,040
bidding because if you have your

1616
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,120
engineer and your architect and your

1617
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,280
design construction firm working

1618
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,840
together to come up with that price, you

1619
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:54,000
have a better idea of what those value

1620
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,400
added costs need to be when you're

1621
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,960
estimating that project. Um the cons are

1622
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,440
it is a liability for the town because

1623
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,199
you have to make sure that your design

1624
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:08,880
is completely 100% on point before they

1625
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,840
go to the bidding part. Um it does have

1626
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:13,840
an increased administration burden

1627
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:17,280
because you are um collaborating with

1628
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,600
all the parties u making sure that

1629
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,719
everything is exactly the way it needs

1630
01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,640
to be and the way you want it and what

1631
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,239
the way it meets the needs of the town.

1632
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:30,800
Um there is a con that if you have an

1633
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,000
inexperienced um construction manager

1634
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,400
that you could result in construction

1635
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:38,800
deficiencies, but if you do the correct

1636
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,960
RFQ process

1637
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,400
would eliminate uh you could eliminate

1638
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,360
those deficiencies by making sure that

1639
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,760
you're selecting the cor the qualified

1640
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:55,510
individual to do.

1641
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,400
So just as a project cost recap as I you

1642
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,000
know we've already talked about here on

1643
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,880
the left hand side uh preliminary cost

1644
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:05,840
was approximately $3.1 million. Now

1645
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,719
again I cannot stress enough the term

1646
01:13:08,719 --> 01:13:12,000
preliminary within this discussion

1647
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:13,360
also with the current maintenance

1648
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,679
facility upfit of approximately

1649
01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:18,000
$450,000.

1650
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,440
Now is that you know what you all as

1651
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,920
council are looking at looking for

1652
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,679
giving us direction and guidance on

1653
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:27,280
meeting the needs and expectations that

1654
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,679
you all see for this that's a part of

1655
01:13:29,679 --> 01:13:32,239
this discussion as well but ultimately

1656
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,040
we're trying to find an approach that is

1657
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,199
transparent that makes sure that if we

1658
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:39,440
are going to spend this money to help

1659
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,040
benefit the community and help benefit

1660
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:45,280
the town that we can be confident that

1661
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,360
it is going to result in a project and a

1662
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,679
product that we can be proud of. And so

1663
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:51,760
that's a

1664
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,000
and so that's just I wanted to go over

1665
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,679
that a little bit right there.

1666
01:13:55,679 --> 01:13:59,280
>> So Matt, who s who who evaluated these

1667
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,920
numbers? Who who generated these

1668
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:02,480
numbers?

1669
01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:05,040
>> Uh these numbers were uh presented to us

1670
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,000
by WGLA with ARCAD design. So again,

1671
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,600
those were our two firms that came

1672
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:11,600
together to pull together these number

1673
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,159
uh the design, the needs assessment,

1674
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,960
everything.

1675
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,800
been accused of not speaking up before,

1676
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,800
so I'm going to speak up. There's no way

1677
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:24,320
in the world I'm going to sign up for a

1678
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:27,920
$3.1 million maintenance bill. Everybody

1679
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,560
hear me? I ain't going to do it. And if

1680
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,480
you think them numbers are legit, I do

1681
01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,560
this every day.

1682
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,199
That's way more than double for that

1683
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,920
building. I know I can't build it

1684
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:41,360
because I'm sitting in this seat, but

1685
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,960
there is no way. Part of that 6600's

1686
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,679
open shed, that open shed from there

1687
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:51,360
over, concrete, post, uh, red iron and

1688
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:53,600
all, you're probably looking at probably

1689
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,920
$27,000

1690
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,560
from that for that over. It's good to

1691
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,840
have it, but these numbers are highly

1692
01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:04,560
inflated somewhere. now where I don't

1693
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,840
know and I mean WGL I mean they was here

1694
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,880
I didn't say a whole lot before but I've

1695
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,400
been accused of not speaking up so I'm

1696
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,560
speaking up now

1697
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,000
and you could build this whole other

1698
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:19,679
building right here for forfeit

1699
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:22,320
let's update it I mean I don't get it I

1700
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:28,159
don't know what's I don't know I do know we're sitting in a municipal

1701
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:31,040
situation here and I know how that works

1702
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:34,400
uh but if I'm looking after my people.

1703
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,800
These numbers are highly inflated in my

1704
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,760
opinion. I'm only one, but I'm speaking

1705
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:43,430
up now.

1706
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:45,120
» Yes, sir. And understand,

1707
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:46,880
understandable. It's it's one of those

1708
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,320
numbers, and I mean, I don't want to

1709
01:15:48,320 --> 01:15:50,320
speak uh for all the staff that was on

1710
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,719
there, but it was surprising as an

1711
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:54,480
understatement when we saw these numbers

1712
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:57,840
as well. That's why, again, they're very

1713
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,520
preliminary for that reason. And one of

1714
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,199
the things that I liked about the

1715
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,320
Seymour process as well is that there

1716
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,120
are um clauses that are in there that if

1717
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,120
you go out to the RFQ and and those

1718
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,760
guaranteed max prices are let's just say

1719
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,360
the guaranteed max prices are in these

1720
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,040
numbers and you all as council do not

1721
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,560
wish to move forward with that. What

1722
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:17,920
that means is that we are going to go

1723
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,520
back to the drawing board and find other

1724
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,920
approaches for it. So it's these you're

1725
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,400
not locked in to these values.

1726
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,159
>> Problem with it Matt is we're having to

1727
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:28,239
pay somebody to draw this stuff. We're

1728
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,000
paying big money to have it draw at

1729
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,440
least a 50%

1730
01:16:33,440 --> 01:16:35,920
>> to to

1731
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,800
get these numbers back. So, we're going

1732
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,719
to have a lot of money in it to maybe go

1733
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:42,640
back to the drawing board again. And we

1734
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:45,679
just heard tonight that that bothers

1735
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:50,709
some people. Um,

1736
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:53,840
» I got one quick question of this.

1737
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,560
So what we've been presented the design

1738
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,120
so far is what percent you you said

1739
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,679
earlier you have to get to 50% in the

1740
01:17:01,679 --> 01:17:04,159
SEAR model before you can

1741
01:17:04,159 --> 01:17:07,199
>> put it out percentage are we at now like

1742
01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:09,120
what would you say that now?

1743
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:10,800
>> So I I when I talked to Arcad design

1744
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,120
they said you know maybe 10 maybe 15

1745
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,719
tops depending on which one you're

1746
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:16,560
looking uh if you're looking at the

1747
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:18,000
maintenance facility.

1748
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:23,120
>> Okay. Um, okay. Because would it not be

1749
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:25,120
if we went with that model, would it not

1750
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,440
be beneficial to come back and be like,

1751
01:17:29,440 --> 01:17:33,760
here's our wish list, here's our budget,

1752
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:38,080
but have that have that both of those

1753
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,280
lists or, you know, that number going

1754
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:43,679
into it. Not I don't know. It does feel

1755
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:46,159
a little bit backwards, like

1756
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,480
>> we should go into it with a budget

1757
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:51,840
>> versus just, oh, what is this going to

1758
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,320
cost? Um,

1759
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,040
I'm not in the construction business, so

1760
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:58,560
I don't I mean, it does seem very high.

1761
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,800
I I did build

1762
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,400
a very nice part of my house for a lot

1763
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:07,120
less than this, but um I I yeah, I I

1764
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:08,960
just think we need to come up with like

1765
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,199
a reasonable budget first

1766
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:13,679
>> and then see what we can check off of

1767
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:16,480
our list that we we want.

1768
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:19,120
>> Understood. Yes, sir. So, the the the

1769
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,199
direction that we received was to go

1770
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:22,880
through the needs assessment and to see

1771
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,520
what would meet those needs. So as of

1772
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,239
right now that this is what's been

1773
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,239
presented to us through the engineering

1774
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,640
firm. That being said, and Julie can

1775
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,159
speak more to this as well through the

1776
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:38,080
research is that the um you can and in

1777
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,719
fact right now technically as council

1778
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:42,800
you all have set the budget that

1779
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:47,760
reflects this based off of the FY27 actu

1780
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:51,040
budget and then the fiveyearcip.

1781
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,199
Um, so we have built in this into the

1782
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,920
model that

1783
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,560
ultimately though the and I believe

1784
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:00,640
through some CMRs that we've seen as

1785
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,719
well go in there with a budget set that

1786
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:04,960
says this is the number. This is the

1787
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:06,480
high end of the number. This is what

1788
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:09,520
we're going to do and that's it. And

1789
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,239
that's a legitimate approach. And I'm

1790
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:15,280
going to turn over to Julie.

1791
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,320
City of Charlotte actually has three out

1792
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:21,199
there and they they said for the for the

1793
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:23,199
three projects, these are the three max

1794
01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:25,760
prices. So, people aren't going to bid

1795
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,120
if they're not going to be willing to

1796
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:30,640
meet those those price points.

1797
01:19:30,640 --> 01:19:33,040
>> I did have one other quick question. Is

1798
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:36,320
there a timeline deadline that you can

1799
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,760
have in Semar? You can put in there,

1800
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,640
here's my budget, you know, Mr.

1801
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,520
Contractor. And also

1802
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,440
um you have you know by

1803
01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:52,880
July 2028 I don't know some date it has

1804
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,360
to be done

1805
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,360
>> delivery date that's what you're asking.

1806
01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,760
Yeah. Like the delivery date for CO.

1807
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,960
>> Yeah. So you that part of this is that

1808
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,000
part of this

1809
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:05,840
>> as long as it was a realistic number,

1810
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,320
you could you'd have to give him some

1811
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,239
weather date days and stuff like

1812
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,560
>> Yeah. But I'm just saying you could in

1813
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:16,800
the Sea model, you could put in that

1814
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,400
they could bid on that with a date. So

1815
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,360
right now at least from uh my research

1816
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:26,400
and discussions on it the RFQ highlights

1817
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,280
when the when the construction wants uh

1818
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,320
the expected construction begin date. So

1819
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:34,880
when the uh through the process the

1820
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,920
Seymour puts together the project scope

1821
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:40,640
and the cost and then it presents that

1822
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,520
to the to uh to the organization to the

1823
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,480
town. And so ultimately at that point

1824
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:49,280
that's when the negotiations also happen

1825
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,760
because it can be we want to start

1826
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:54,880
January 2028 as an example and we want

1827
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:57,600
it to be done by you know October of

1828
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,320
2028 and then working with them to make

1829
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,360
sure that meets that timeline.

1830
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,040
>> That's a reasonable thing to

1831
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,760
>> it may not be during the RFQ process. Uh

1832
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,360
now we can I think we can put it in

1833
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:11,600
there as what we uh what our you know

1834
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,480
what our expected end date is but

1835
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:16,960
ultimately through the process is when

1836
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,480
they would design it and then we would

1837
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:21,120
have to negotiate on what that um that

1838
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:31,110
project timeline would look like.

1839
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,640
So,

1840
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:36,960
if we were to choose the design, bid

1841
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:37,920
build

1842
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,719
>> model, then we pay the money for the

1843
01:21:40,719 --> 01:21:44,960
design, then we put it out for bid.

1844
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:46,880
>> Then the contractor that gets the bid

1845
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:50,000
would build it. Someone has to make sure

1846
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,719
someone has to do the inspection

1847
01:21:52,719 --> 01:21:55,120
and make sure everything is done

1848
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,239
correct. That' take a lot of time,

1849
01:21:56,239 --> 01:21:58,400
wouldn't it? I mean, that's pretty much

1850
01:21:58,400 --> 01:21:59,679
have to be there anytime the

1851
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:01,920
contractor's there. Is that something we

1852
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:03,760
would contract out or we do that

1853
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,440
inspection in house?

1854
01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:07,520
>> I would highly recommend for a project

1855
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:09,520
such as this that if we did that, we

1856
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,520
would we would go through an owner's uh

1857
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,679
representative model for design, bid,

1858
01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:15,840
build. And so we would bring in either

1859
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:17,440
an owner's representative model where we

1860
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:19,280
would bid out to find someone or we

1861
01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:20,960
would lean very heavily on our on call

1862
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,800
engineering services and do a task order

1863
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,400
for them to do project management to

1864
01:22:24,400 --> 01:22:26,159
that point to be on site throughout

1865
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:29,280
because uh yes council member the uh

1866
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:33,360
making sure that we have eyes uh on that

1867
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,280
project throughout that project making

1868
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:36,960
sure that you know corners aren't being

1869
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:38,480
cut that we're getting what we're paying

1870
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:41,120
for is vitally important.

1871
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,040
Is that the Is that the route we went

1872
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:45,360
with the last shelter?

1873
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,040
>> We went design bid, build on the last

1874
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,920
shelter.

1875
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,600
>> We didn't have We really didn't have

1876
01:22:51,600 --> 01:23:01,430
anybody overseeing that.

1877
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:03,600
» So if going back to the Seymour

1878
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,880
approach, if we tell them you got $3.1

1879
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:11,760
million to bid to build this

1880
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,159
I mean, from I I've got very limited

1881
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:17,440
experience with Seymour. Um, that was

1882
01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:18,800
done when I worked at the city of

1883
01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:21,520
Asheville. And

1884
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,080
the the people that I mean, someone's

1885
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:26,159
going to take the risk. Someone's going

1886
01:23:26,159 --> 01:23:28,080
to take the risk. That's why I like

1887
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,880
having state employees to maintain our

1888
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,440
roads because rather than putting out a

1889
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,440
contract where they're paying more, they

1890
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,280
just work extra time to do it. So, they

1891
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:40,239
take the risk. Um, if someone is bidding

1892
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,400
in that risk,

1893
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:43,920
you know, they're they're going to bid

1894
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,239
that risk and that's adjust that's going

1895
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:49,920
to affect the price. The 3.1 million is

1896
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,480
turnkey with us not doing anything but

1897
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,760
saying build it. Correct. That's that

1898
01:23:55,760 --> 01:24:00,880
includes the Semar cost and everything

1899
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,880
>> the 3.1. So,

1900
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,880
>> or is that just the materials and the

1901
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,560
labor? This is this is a very

1902
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:10,639
preliminary number

1903
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:11,679
>> should be everything.

1904
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:13,920
>> Yeah. So so this included yeah the

1905
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,719
grading of the of the property. Yeah.

1906
01:24:16,719 --> 01:24:18,560
The the site prep the whole on your but

1907
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,280
again incredibly preliminary

1908
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:25,199
>> design and construction costs and

1909
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,679
inspection and overseeing. That's the

1910
01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:30,159
total cost.

1911
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,320
>> They they built in their total cost when

1912
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,760
Yeah. That was their total cost

1913
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:37,360
projection. They they did build in so

1914
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,480
the model that the WGLA approached us on

1915
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:43,280
which is a model uh uh they they leaned

1916
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,520
in on one which was the design bid build

1917
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,360
model. So the timeline that you saw

1918
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,920
previously was the design build a design

1919
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,560
bid build timeline. So there is

1920
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,159
contingency that was built into that

1921
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,360
preliminary number uh etc. Now you know

1922
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,840
there as I mentioned the reason the

1923
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:00,960
reason why I wanted to bring this to

1924
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:02,320
your attention because I know it's a new

1925
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,520
approach and I know that it's Um, I

1926
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:07,440
wanted to put be put on your radar of

1927
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,120
what those possibilities and options

1928
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:12,880
are. As I mentioned though, the it is a

1929
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,120
different model because the guaranteed

1930
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,000
max price comes before construction

1931
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,960
begins. So, but that being the highest

1932
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,159
number that you're going to see can

1933
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:24,480
sometimes be very, you know, very

1934
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:26,159
difficult relative to the lower number.

1935
01:25:26,159 --> 01:25:27,280
But then working through the change

1936
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:30,239
order process, not one one approach

1937
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:34,320
isn't necessarily like going to change

1938
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,679
uh uh drastically the the work. It just

1939
01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:39,199
depends to your point as you mentioned

1940
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:40,880
who who's going to take and accept the

1941
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,800
risk that is associated with that. And

1942
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,280
so I would recommend because of our past

1943
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,719
experience and also just because of

1944
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:50,080
staff capacity that we we would do at

1945
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,719
minimum if we did a design bid build

1946
01:25:52,719 --> 01:25:55,040
having an owner's rep that would be

1947
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:58,480
speaking on our behalf to ensure like an

1948
01:25:58,480 --> 01:26:01,120
engineer to ensure that we are also not

1949
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,280
missing anything from our end. So we

1950
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,800
don't run into issues that we've had in

1951
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:08,480
the past which is you know those uh

1952
01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:10,639
those arguments that we're then as a

1953
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:12,400
town stuck in the middle of.

1954
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:13,760
>> Typically they do those for a

1955
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:14,960
percentage.

1956
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,524
>> Sure.

1957
01:26:16,524 --> 01:26:16,719
[clears throat]

1958
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:21,920
>> So if if our budget is $3.1 million

1959
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:24,639
but the Seymar can get a price a lot

1960
01:26:24,639 --> 01:26:26,800
less than that

1961
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,120
then we take the price. So

1962
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,199
>> Huh. I don't think I No, I think we're

1963
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:33,360
>> if we tell them we got $3.1 million,

1964
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:35,520
it's going to come in at $3.1 million.

1965
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:39,679
No matter who gets paid, right? Or do

1966
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:42,080
they say, you know, we can bid, you

1967
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:43,600
know, when we bid that out, it comes in

1968
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:48,159
at $2.5 million including their fees,

1969
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:49,440
then we don't have to spend the whole

1970
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:52,560
3.1. That's what I'm saying. I If if you

1971
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,280
send me Let me close this so my wife

1972
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:56,800
can't hear me. If she sends me to the

1973
01:26:56,800 --> 01:26:58,560
store with $50 to come back with

1974
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,719
groceries, I'm not bringing any money

1975
01:27:00,719 --> 01:27:04,719
back, right? Because I'm gonna I'm gonna

1976
01:27:04,719 --> 01:27:07,360
when I run out of milk and bread and

1977
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:08,880
everything else, then we might go over

1978
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,480
to the Doritos and the snack area. So,

1979
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:14,400
I'm just saying if we tell them $3.1

1980
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,280
million and it comes back at $3.1

1981
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,600
million, whereas it could have come back

1982
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,360
a whole lot less, is that a reasonable

1983
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:24,800
is that my three minutes

1984
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,880
>> to me in my experience and that never

1985
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:27,600
happens.

1986
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:28,239
>> Okay.

1987
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,880
>> Just from bidding projects that we do,

1988
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:32,400
>> we all know what they have as far as

1989
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:34,400
money to spend on the project. No one's

1990
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,000
going to put that amount in because you

1991
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,760
want the business. So you're gonna try

1992
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:39,600
to cut the other person and the other

1993
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,440
person's gonna say, "Well, I know old

1994
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:43,120
John, he always goes 10% below, so I'm

1995
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,719
gonna go 15 because I want business."

1996
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:44,960
Sure.

1997
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:46,880
>> So it nobody's gonna come in at 3.

1998
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,400
>> So it's not going to come in at 3.1

1999
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,159
million. They're not going to say, "Oh,

2000
01:27:50,159 --> 01:27:51,360
there's a budget. I'm going to hit that

2001
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:52,000
budget."

2002
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,480
>> So okay, that was one of my concerns is

2003
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:56,000
that, you know,

2004
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,239
>> and the other thing I'll say, Mills

2005
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:01,040
River Station 2, the last I heard is two

2006
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,639
bays drive-thru, which is exactly what

2007
01:28:02,639 --> 01:28:05,199
this is. same square footage, you know,

2008
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:07,280
living room, two bedrooms, kitchen, very

2009
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,040
similar to this setup. It's more than

2010
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,120
twice this.

2011
01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:14,560
So, I don't think 3.1 is actually

2012
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,440
it's going to be close.

2013
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,239
If I if I may, just real quick, with

2014
01:28:20,239 --> 01:28:22,560
this with this design also being 10 to

2015
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:25,760
15%. This is showing what could be with

2016
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:27,440
the potential cost meeting the needs

2017
01:28:27,440 --> 01:28:29,520
assessment. But again, we would be

2018
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,840
putting out as a part of this process

2019
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,920
bringing in a designer, an architectural

2020
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:36,400
firm, just like you would during design

2021
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,239
to build. You'd bring them in, but you

2022
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:40,000
would then bring in the con, you would

2023
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:41,600
bid out the construction manager at risk

2024
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,920
at the same time. And so you bring both

2025
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:45,600
of them into the room at the same time.

2026
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,239
So this design, the layout, the

2027
01:28:48,239 --> 01:28:50,480
structure, all of it can look different

2028
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:53,679
by the time it's done as well because

2029
01:28:53,679 --> 01:28:55,920
you all it ultimately it's your decision

2030
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,320
as council what it is. isn't meeting the

2031
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,400
needs that it is before it even goes out

2032
01:29:00,400 --> 01:29:02,159
to what the actual guaranteed max price

2033
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:05,040
is. So again, that 50% we're using 3.1

2034
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:06,480
million right now based off of what you

2035
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:07,679
see before you and what their

2036
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,600
estimations are does not necessarily

2037
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,120
mean that that's what is going to

2038
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,120
actually go out

2039
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:15,440
uh as a guaranteed max price at the time

2040
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,040
because this can very much change with

2041
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,199
that extra 40%

2042
01:29:19,199 --> 01:29:21,679
and bringing those people in together to

2043
01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:25,760
talk about it. that just a caveat.

2044
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,600
>> Who's going to be overseeing the project

2045
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:30,400
if we do it with Semar?

2046
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:32,560
Is it going to be the engineering firm

2047
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:34,719
that's putting all this stuff together?

2048
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:38,239
>> So, the Seymour process is uh is it's

2049
01:29:38,239 --> 01:29:39,760
ultimately a collaborative process. So,

2050
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:42,639
we'd have a team inhouse, right? That

2051
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:43,360
would be there.

2052
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:43,920
>> Staff

2053
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,239
>> that would that would be staff uh and it

2054
01:29:46,239 --> 01:29:47,360
would be because of because of the size

2055
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,719
and scale of the project would be myself

2056
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:50,400
and staff that would be on there. And

2057
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,800
then it would also be um the

2058
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,199
architectural firm and the Seymar. So

2059
01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:57,199
those all those entities would be

2060
01:29:57,199 --> 01:29:59,120
working in tandem. Ultimately we're the

2061
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:02,000
owner. Ultimately we are the decider and

2062
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:03,440
the one that signs off on these

2063
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:06,960
projects. So um overseeing it ultimately

2064
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:10,560
falls to us. So um but it like I said

2065
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,000
it's a collaborative approach from the

2066
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:13,280
beginning to try to make sure that we're

2067
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:14,639
not going to be running into any issues

2068
01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:16,560
and try to work those out beforehand.

2069
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:18,159
And I know I said this before, but I

2070
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:20,800
just want to reiterate as well. The one

2071
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,360
benefit of this process as well again if

2072
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:26,000
you all wish to go with this route is

2073
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,159
the fact that let's just say it gets up

2074
01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,760
to that 50%. 30% whatever that number

2075
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:34,400
would be and it goes up to bit and it

2076
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,920
just comes out way higher than what we

2077
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,840
you all as council wish to spend at that

2078
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,520
time. We have changing priorities that

2079
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:43,040
have happened since then. There's

2080
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,400
discussions that have to happen. Yes,

2081
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:45,679
there's money that's within those

2082
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:47,520
schematics that we would have and that

2083
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,000
we would we would be able to have um

2084
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,760
moving forward, but we may have to take

2085
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,600
a step back and have a conversation

2086
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:57,120
about timing of this uh prioritization

2087
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:59,120
of of the project. Where do we need to

2088
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,520
scale back and change based off of it?

2089
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:03,920
Those conversations continue to happen

2090
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:05,760
throughout. But to the mayor's point,

2091
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:09,840
yes, you are putting in uh uh expenses

2092
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:12,639
into getting it up to that to that 50%

2093
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:14,800
level. It's not like a design bid build

2094
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,239
though where it gets up to that to that

2095
01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,480
100% level before you then bid it out as

2096
01:31:18,480 --> 01:31:19,920
well.

2097
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:22,800
>> Well, I've got a lot of heartburn with

2098
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:26,000
$3.1 million to store lawnmowers and

2099
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:31,270
equipment. I mean, that's a lot.

2100
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:32,880
» That's my question here is we're

2101
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,199
spending taxpayer money, not our

2102
01:31:35,199 --> 01:31:39,120
taxpayer money. And

2103
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,040
you know,

2104
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,760
I I

2105
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,000
You know, I can see where we could spend

2106
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:47,440
some of this money. We're talking about

2107
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:49,679
spend on this building and other aspects

2108
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:52,800
of this park. I know we got to we can't

2109
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:54,719
get the cart in front of the horse, but

2110
01:31:54,719 --> 01:31:57,120
I don't know we got to have a

2111
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,360
thoroughbred racehorse,

2112
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:01,920
you know. I don't know that we got to

2113
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:07,350
have that.

2114
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,239
this thing is uh I know it meets it's my

2115
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,400
understanding it meets uh architectural

2116
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:14,320
review

2117
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:18,080
but you know I don't know

2118
01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:19,920
and we'll have to do so because we're

2119
01:32:19,920 --> 01:32:23,440
within a th00and ft of uh 190 run

2120
01:32:23,440 --> 01:32:25,520
correct

2121
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:38,790
Mike can you come up and want to join us

2122
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,840
uh the language council adopted in the

2123
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,520
UDO requires architectural elements for

2124
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,760
any non-residential building in the

2125
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,400
town. The way when we brought this up I

2126
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,480
think back when it was drafted that we

2127
01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:54,960
wanted to be very clear on that that any

2128
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:57,040
non-residential building must meet the

2129
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,800
new architectural standards. the

2130
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,639
distance was done away with.

2131
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:02,639
>> But you don't think that'll be a down

2132
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:04,000
zoning issue?

2133
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:05,360
>> Well, because it's only applied to new

2134
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:07,679
development.

2135
01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:09,600
>> Doesn't create nonconformities. Doesn't

2136
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,520
apply to anything except someone who

2137
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,480
applies to develop if the UDO is

2138
01:33:14,480 --> 01:33:17,669
adopted.

2139
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:21,040
» If not, it's still within FE.

2140
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,760
>> It's only 500 ft capital. But again,

2141
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,120
that that was something we tried to

2142
01:33:25,120 --> 01:33:26,560
bring up with council. Gosh, I think it

2143
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:29,040
was December or November. Um because I

2144
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:30,639
knew that was probably going to be a

2145
01:33:30,639 --> 01:33:31,920
sensitive topic.

2146
01:33:31,920 --> 01:33:36,390
>> Gotcha. U

2147
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:38,719
look at our town attorney. I mean, do

2148
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:40,480
you agree with that? Is that not a

2149
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:42,560
downzoning issue? It seems to me like

2150
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,280
you're putting a new restriction on

2151
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:47,520
someone's property, be it commercial or

2152
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:49,760
not, but

2153
01:33:49,760 --> 01:33:52,000
>> downzone is specific to three types of

2154
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,120
things. None. Okay. Right. just uh less

2155
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:59,679
uses making something nonconforming and

2156
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:00,400
I'd have to look at

2157
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,199
>> density

2158
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,840
>> and density. Yeah. So architectural

2159
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:05,679
standards wouldn't create a down zoning

2160
01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:06,159
scenario.

2161
01:34:06,159 --> 01:34:23,270
>> I got okay

2162
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:25,040
this tor

2163
01:34:25,040 --> 01:34:27,679
you know be honest with you I won't be

2164
01:34:27,679 --> 01:34:32,390
here when this takes place so

2165
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,480
make sure we make wise decisions with

2166
01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,600
this money

2167
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,840
would there be additional cost if we get

2168
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,800
to the 50% and then we see it and you

2169
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,040
know they get some bits back and and

2170
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:48,800
then we go whoa you know we want to

2171
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:50,800
change x y and z whether that's less or

2172
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,320
more

2173
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:55,840
um does that restart the design? You

2174
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:56,800
know, then then you're going to get

2175
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,520
another fee for it. Um

2176
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,960
>> generally speaking, uh I can speak very

2177
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:07,040
generally, uh is that the once it goes

2178
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:10,560
out to bid once the design is at a 50%

2179
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,600
threshold and and and oh, sorry, then

2180
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,360
the guaranteed MA max price happens and

2181
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:16,560
then like I said, they work through

2182
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,000
that. the um

2183
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,719
the the design at that point is what the

2184
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,560
design is going to be at that point. So

2185
01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:27,360
like at that 50% threshold the the

2186
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,520
Seymar is taking the risk of that other

2187
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,159
50% but usually at that what from my

2188
01:35:32,159 --> 01:35:33,679
understanding and from my experience

2189
01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:36,080
that 50% is a it's a very conservative

2190
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,000
number about what you should expect to

2191
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:40,719
see at least on the big ticket items.

2192
01:35:40,719 --> 01:35:44,080
>> Yes. This building here the the the

2193
01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:47,120
chance of a change order is very slim.

2194
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:49,760
It's so basic on the inside. You know,

2195
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,520
there's the whole garage area is

2196
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,000
nonheated as far as I'm as I understand.

2197
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:57,199
And then you got the open space. You got

2198
01:35:57,199 --> 01:36:02,000
uh 3,20 ft of garage unheated.

2199
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:07,360
You got 1635 heated and you've got 1945

2200
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,120
outside.

2201
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:12,239
So, I mean, that outside is what it is.

2202
01:36:12,239 --> 01:36:14,400
you, you know, other than if you wanted

2203
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:15,600
to paint something a different color

2204
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,080
after you seen it go on, it is what it

2205
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:20,960
is. The inside of that garage, you know,

2206
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:22,880
we'll get some details on how it's going

2207
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,320
to be finished on the inside. I'm sure

2208
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,400
it's going to be sheetrock

2209
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,440
uh for fire coat. Um and the other is

2210
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:32,800
basically like a house. you know,

2211
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:37,760
if you took uh you know, Champion Hills

2212
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:40,159
numbers and put $435

2213
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:43,840
a square foot on that heated part.

2214
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:47,360
And I mean, the garage section, you

2215
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:48,639
know, I don't know. But then you just

2216
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:50,480
got to figure out all the great and all.

2217
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:52,080
See, we're going to have, you know, we

2218
01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,280
know there's going to be a lot of fuel

2219
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:55,520
over there. Probably some geo grid, some

2220
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:59,119
fancy footings to hold this building up.

2221
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:00,960
So, where there's a lot of unknowns.

2222
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:04,239
I'll be honest about the unknowns, but I

2223
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:07,199
just don't see I don't know. I just

2224
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:09,440
don't see it in it, you know.

2225
01:37:09,440 --> 01:37:11,040
>> Yeah, Mayor, you bring up a very good

2226
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:12,080
point when it comes to the change

2227
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,920
orders. Again, it goes back to Mr.

2228
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,760
Moore's, Council Member Moore's

2229
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,360
comments. It just really depends on

2230
01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,600
where you all as council wish to put the

2231
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,800
risk associated with that. And so,

2232
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:23,840
again,

2233
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,960
>> there's not necessarily having a

2234
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,119
somebody look over it. I'm not opposed

2235
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:31,280
to that at all. I'm not.

2236
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,960
>> Uh but you know, I think council and

2237
01:37:34,960 --> 01:37:41,360
whole, the five of us need to decide if this is the design we want or do we

2238
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,880
think maybe it's a little bit much or,

2239
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,960
you know, I me personally, I could live

2240
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:48,800
without the roof popping through on a

2241
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,080
maintenance building. I mean, I know

2242
01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:51,119
we're going to get a little light

2243
01:37:51,119 --> 01:37:55,040
through there. Uh but you know it would

2244
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,800
be way cheaper to put a backup generator

2245
01:37:56,800 --> 01:37:58,000
over there than to pop that roof

2246
01:37:58,000 --> 01:37:59,520
through.

2247
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,000
>> So

2248
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,760
we got you know I think there's a few

2249
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:06,000
things we just need to think about a

2250
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,719
little bit before we

2251
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:11,920
Yeah. And and it's just like this is a

2252
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:13,679
kind of like our first concept. This is

2253
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:15,920
really the only one we've seen and we

2254
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:17,679
really can't I don't want to pay to have

2255
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:19,920
15 of them brought in here either. But

2256
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:21,760
if we need to tweak on it, I'd rather

2257
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,760
tweak on it before it goes to bid than

2258
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:25,600
it go to bid. Let's come back and try to

2259
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,920
change it because really

2260
01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,840
it makes the bid process almost start

2261
01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:31,520
all over again.

2262
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:33,760
>> If I may, mayor and I very good points.

2263
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,360
The so normally in a normal Seymour

2264
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:41,520
process, you bid out the design first.

2265
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,600
You work with that designer a little bit

2266
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:48,400
to get that needs assessment done, the preliminary sketches done and then

2267
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:51,119
you bring in and you bed out the Seymour

2268
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:53,760
and then through that process they work

2269
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:56,159
together and then changes happen, right?

2270
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:58,159
Again, coming before you, talking with

2271
01:38:58,159 --> 01:38:59,760
you about what those design elements

2272
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,280
look like, understanding what you want

2273
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:03,040
and what what you want to get rid of.

2274
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,040
All of that is still part of that what

2275
01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:06,639
would be a normal traditional Seymour

2276
01:39:06,639 --> 01:39:09,920
process. We did it slightly differently

2277
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,239
because we thought that again bas based

2278
01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:14,320
off a council's direction that you all

2279
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,800
wanted to see those concepts and and

2280
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:18,639
understand what again what a potential

2281
01:39:18,639 --> 01:39:20,080
price and what the needs assessment was

2282
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:21,840
first. So we've done that through our on

2283
01:39:21,840 --> 01:39:24,400
call engineering services. So we haven't

2284
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:26,880
bid that out right we did that through

2285
01:39:26,880 --> 01:39:28,880
the RFQ for engineer on call engineering

2286
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:29,920
which is one of the things that they can

2287
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:32,159
do. So we have this before you. So to

2288
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:33,600
your point, mayor, yes, this is the only

2289
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:37,920
one that you all have seen. The the when

2290
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,159
we bid out or if we go this route and we

2291
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:42,480
bid out the for the architectural firm,

2292
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:45,920
they'll get this 10% piece, they'll get

2293
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:47,520
the needs assessment documents that have

2294
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:50,080
been all pulled together and then it's

2295
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,960
their job that to also then take it to,

2296
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:54,320
you know, and continue working through

2297
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:55,920
that. That's why my recommendation would

2298
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,440
be that if we did this to actually do

2299
01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:59,119
Seymar and design at the same time

2300
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:00,400
because we've already done what the

2301
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,320
designer would have done normally on the

2302
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:05,760
back end to get it to this point. But

2303
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:07,679
to your point, I think Brian Moffett

2304
01:40:07,679 --> 01:40:09,280
when he was here for the Arc of Design

2305
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,679
even stated it's like the we can get rid

2306
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:15,199
of the the the um the sunlights in

2307
01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:17,600
there. We can get rid of the the type of

2308
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:19,040
sighting and go with a different type of

2309
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,280
siding if it's uh if it's helpful. If

2310
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:23,119
there's a layout change, those things

2311
01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:26,000
can still happen. Uh and you all will be

2312
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,800
vi will be shaping that discussion as

2313
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:33,430
well through that process.

2314
01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:34,800
This will be a part this would be a part

2315
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:36,480
of the bid packet, but they would not be

2316
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:39,600
bidding on building this specific thing.

2317
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:42,560
It's building bringing them on to you

2318
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,280
know at a 10% phase to see what you know

2319
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:47,040
to go and move forward through the

2320
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:55,189
actual construction.

2321
01:40:55,199 --> 01:40:56,880
If you'd like, we can also continue

2322
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:59,199
using ARCA design for on call

2323
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:01,760
engineering to continue tweaking this

2324
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,480
concept. It does just we will have to

2325
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:05,360
bid out

2326
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,320
>> the arch

2327
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,320
>> the architect. Yeah, we we are not able

2328
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:10,000
to use them for much more than what

2329
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,760
we've really been using them for now. So

2330
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:19,030
that's where we have to be careful.

2331
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:22,000
So we could have a another meeting with

2332
01:41:22,000 --> 01:41:23,520
them and say, "Hey, what can you do to

2333
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:26,719
this to make it a little simpler?" You

2334
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:28,320
know, still meet our needs and bring the

2335
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:32,480
cost down, but keep it at 10%.

2336
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,560
>> It's just it's just a concept plan.

2337
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,159
>> Yeah, you can you can do that. And like

2338
01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:38,000
I said, you can also you can do it

2339
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,159
either through that this phase or you

2340
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:41,760
could do it with the actual

2341
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:44,880
architectural firm if you bid it out. Um

2342
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:46,800
the same conversations can happen either

2343
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,719
way. Just it would be whether or not we

2344
01:41:48,719 --> 01:41:50,960
want to move forward with seeing what

2345
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:52,639
the actual staying on the timeline that

2346
01:41:52,639 --> 01:41:58,629
was proposed.

2347
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:00,239
» The trick to this whole thing is getting

2348
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:03,280
the max amount of biders that we can.

2349
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:05,119
Honestly,

2350
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:08,159
you know,

2351
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:11,199
that'll be the trick for this.

2352
01:42:11,199 --> 01:42:13,040
I'll change the subject just a little

2353
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:16,880
bit, but I need to know. And we pretty

2354
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,960
much through our needs assessment, we've

2355
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,560
determined that there's no way to use

2356
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,400
the building in the back or that we

2357
01:42:24,400 --> 01:42:26,320
think the building in the back has some

2358
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:28,639
effect on our master plan. What was

2359
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:30,320
that? I know we've had that discussion

2360
01:42:30,320 --> 01:42:32,000
before, but just bring it back up for

2361
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:32,400
me.

2362
01:42:32,400 --> 01:42:34,560
>> The the dairy farm and the and the open

2363
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:34,800
air

2364
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,760
>> facing the twotory building.

2365
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,440
>> Yeah. So, and I'm going Nicole, if I

2366
01:42:39,440 --> 01:42:40,480
may, I'm going to ask you to come up

2367
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:41,600
here as well because you have much more

2368
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,600
knowledge than me on this as well. For

2369
01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:45,280
the needs assessment piece, didn't

2370
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:47,920
looked at what the needs were for us

2371
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,719
expanding out there. Um, there had there

2372
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:52,639
was no look specifically at the

2373
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:53,920
buildings because that work has been

2374
01:42:53,920 --> 01:42:55,040
done prior.

2375
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:56,719
>> Yeah, as part of the original master

2376
01:42:56,719 --> 01:42:58,239
plan process, we did have a structural

2377
01:42:58,239 --> 01:42:59,600
engineer come out and look at those

2378
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:01,920
facilities and they were just not built

2379
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,600
in a design um to meet the standards for

2380
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:07,360
public use. So they're just

2381
01:43:07,360 --> 01:43:08,960
unfortunately

2382
01:43:08,960 --> 01:43:10,480
more than what we're using them for

2383
01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:11,920
which is just storing material

2384
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:14,159
underneath it. We can never house staff

2385
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:16,320
in those. We can never do any of those

2386
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:18,159
sort of things in those existing

2387
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:19,679
facilities because of the standard they

2388
01:43:19,679 --> 01:43:21,920
were built to.

2389
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:24,960
>> Now that sepic system that's down there,

2390
01:43:24,960 --> 01:43:26,880
you know, that thing is rated for to

2391
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,800
handle 500 kids per weekend. It was

2392
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:32,960
designed for agurism.

2393
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:36,320
Are we are at any point are we trying to

2394
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,800
save that for any use for anything? Is

2395
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,480
it

2396
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:43,920
>> we during um the park master plan

2397
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:45,280
expansion the work we're doing with

2398
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:47,840
weather right now utilities all that has

2399
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,760
been looked at and those are some of the

2400
01:43:49,760 --> 01:43:51,280
things that they've looked at of what of

2401
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:52,880
that can be saved because even some of

2402
01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,800
the the well is something that we're

2403
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,560
looking at potential irrigation right

2404
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,080
that could save us a city of Henderson

2405
01:43:58,080 --> 01:44:00,880
bill if we can repurpose that well. So

2406
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,080
that is something that we're currently

2407
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:03,920
working through to look at to see what

2408
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:06,560
we can reuse for those facilities.

2409
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:13,189
>> Okay.

2410
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,199
» So council's pleasure which way you want

2411
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:17,280
him to move forward with this.

2412
01:44:17,280 --> 01:44:19,360
>> If I may may I just briefly just go to

2413
01:44:19,360 --> 01:44:21,600
this last slide. This is kind of what

2414
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:24,239
the the timeline that we put together.

2415
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:26,320
Again, this is all depending on if you

2416
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,520
on the direction you give me give us,

2417
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:31,600
but you know, we can bid out both of

2418
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:33,440
these items together at the same time

2419
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,679
actually in September. Going through

2420
01:44:35,679 --> 01:44:38,159
that, we could actually bring you all uh

2421
01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:42,639
we believe uh in November and actual for

2422
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:44,719
council approval the firms for both the

2423
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:46,800
design and the semar. So again,

2424
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,199
depending on what that is ultimately is

2425
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:50,960
your choice if you if you wish to move

2426
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,400
forward or not. And then it's a quick

2427
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:56,880
process. So, I'm going to say it's

2428
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,480
contingent on design completion. As you

2429
01:44:58,480 --> 01:45:00,080
can see down here, we don't necessarily

2430
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:01,600
have to meet the January timeline. We

2431
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,840
actually got some clarification uh with

2432
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,400
the LGC, but the LGC won't will not look

2433
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:11,760
at uh our financial u options when it

2434
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:14,159
comes to debt service until we have a

2435
01:45:14,159 --> 01:45:18,480
GMP guaranteed max price. So, December,

2436
01:45:18,480 --> 01:45:21,040
January, potentially getting you all to

2437
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:22,960
that point, whenever that is, our goal

2438
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:24,560
is to try to get it in front of the LGC

2439
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,480
by uh February or March. It doesn't mean

2440
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:27,760
we obviously have to spend the money.

2441
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:30,880
It's just them getting the uh getting on

2442
01:45:30,880 --> 01:45:32,639
their work. And Julie can talk much more

2443
01:45:32,639 --> 01:45:34,239
about that process as well if you'd

2444
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:48,229
like.

2445
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:53,360
well as with our property tax valuation

2446
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,040
what we have the potential to borrow. Um

2447
01:45:57,040 --> 01:45:59,920
if you remember when we talked about um

2448
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,679
all of this stuff during the strategic

2449
01:46:01,679 --> 01:46:05,360
plan last year's audit showed that we

2450
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:09,440
had a potential up to $10 million for um

2451
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:13,199
based on property values that the res

2452
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:16,159
had at that point. um don't know what

2453
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:17,760
that number will be yet because it's

2454
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:21,199
based on their final analysis of all the

2455
01:46:21,199 --> 01:46:24,239
values for 2026. So it could be up

2456
01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:25,920
slightly or could be down just slightly

2457
01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,560
from that. Um but they take all of that

2458
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,480
into consideration and look at the audit

2459
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:33,360
to see if there's any findings um that

2460
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:36,960
would impact their decisions. Um and

2461
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:41,520
then they look at um that grossing

2462
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:45,040
max price and determine that based on

2463
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:47,199
the financial stability of the town as

2464
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:50,880
to whether or not they approve

2465
01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:53,840
for any debt.

2466
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,719
>> Is it that was that 10 million um

2467
01:46:56,719 --> 01:46:58,800
additional or that's like 10 million

2468
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:01,119
indebtedness minus what you already

2469
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:05,040
have? It's your maximum amount

2470
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:10,149
>> that you can that the town can carry.

2471
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,960
» So essentially that goes up every year

2472
01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:16,560
anyway. You're paying down other debt.

2473
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:18,960
>> Yeah. And just as a reminder for council

2474
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,560
briefly as well, the reason why we're

2475
01:47:20,560 --> 01:47:22,000
looking at debt financing and debt

2476
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:25,440
service for this is be to free up cash

2477
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,840
and capital for the actual expansion

2478
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:30,719
project because it's easier uh to borrow

2479
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:32,480
against the facility than it would be

2480
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:34,560
against the park expansion. So that's

2481
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:37,520
why trying to trying to be uh

2482
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,040
financially conscious on how we're

2483
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,520
balancing both future funds and current

2484
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:43,360
funds.

2485
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:47,119
Matt, how much of these two uh

2486
01:47:47,119 --> 01:47:49,360
structures

2487
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:53,520
u weigh into that fiveyear tax increases

2488
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:54,800
because we was going to have to raise

2489
01:47:54,800 --> 01:47:56,480
how much was it?

2490
01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:59,040
>> So two full cents or if I remember

2491
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:02,320
correctly two and a half. So if property

2492
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:05,199
taxes stay the same based off of 2026

2493
01:48:05,199 --> 01:48:09,040
valuations or 2020 2025 valuations uh

2494
01:48:09,040 --> 01:48:11,600
because we're using that for 26 the uh

2495
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,800
it would be 2 cents over 5 years so 17

2496
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,920
to 19 in a stairst step model. Now again

2497
01:48:17,920 --> 01:48:20,080
that is subject to change based off the

2498
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:27,510
actual valuation of the properties.

2499
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:28,719
» Yeah. So yeah,

2500
01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:32,320
>> but there was other factors that uh

2501
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:34,159
other than these two. Oh yeah.

2502
01:48:34,159 --> 01:48:35,840
>> Yes sir. Absolutely. So that so it

2503
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,440
included this, it included all the

2504
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:39,440
operating costs that we projected out to

2505
01:48:39,440 --> 01:48:41,679
run this facility, to run that facility,

2506
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:44,800
the new uh a new staff member or two to

2507
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,679
help with that. Uh it also took into

2508
01:48:47,679 --> 01:48:49,920
account the actual phase one approach

2509
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,560
for park expansion as well. So all of

2510
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:54,960
that all of the projects that we have

2511
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:56,560
baked in. In fact, I think it also

2512
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:58,000
included, and I apologize, not the

2513
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,320
budget in front of me, um, preliminary

2514
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,560
work on the town hall expansion piece as

2515
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,440
well for staff. Yeah, thank you. And 31.

2516
01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:06,800
I knew Knew it snuck in there right at

2517
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:08,880
the very end. Um, so it included all of

2518
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:10,320
those major projects and initiatives

2519
01:49:10,320 --> 01:49:15,350
over the next five years.

2520
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,960
» Reason I bring that up is, you know,

2521
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,960
with the county raising theirs, I'm

2522
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,199
hearing a lot about it from especially

2523
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:23,440
the older residents. No,

2524
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:24,960
>> this might just a little bit tougher on

2525
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:39,270
the taste income. So,

2526
01:49:39,280 --> 01:49:41,280
» I'd be in favor of putting a RFQ out for

2527
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:45,189
an architect.

2528
01:49:45,199 --> 01:49:47,520
» You looking for a motion on this or just

2529
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,840
the consensus or how Probably motion

2530
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:51,440
would be better on this one, would it?

2531
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:53,280
Uh, I'm going to look at our clerk for

2532
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:58,000
uh her guidance on this.

2533
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:00,400
>> Yeah.

2534
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:02,719
It does. If you're going to give

2535
01:50:02,719 --> 01:50:05,760
them guidance to throw out the RFQ,

2536
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,280
uh, you can do it by motion. There's no harm

2537
01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:11,280
>> in doing that.

2538
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,239
>> Yeah. Thanks.

2539
01:50:14,239 --> 01:50:16,080
in the form of a motion or

2540
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:17,679
>> well do we want to go with Seymour or we

2541
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:20,320
going to do bid

2542
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:22,719
>> design bid build or Seymour?

2543
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:26,149
>> Okay.

2544
01:50:26,159 --> 01:50:29,440
» Well, I think I think the time you

2545
01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:32,320
hire someone to oversee everything, the

2546
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:33,920
design bid build is not going to save

2547
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:36,719
you much money over the sea.

2548
01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:39,199
And at least the semar we've got the

2549
01:50:39,199 --> 01:50:42,800
guaranteed maximum price.

2550
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:43,760
So,

2551
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,960
I would say the design firm of the

2552
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:49,920
Seymark.

2553
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:56,149
That's my thoughts.

2554
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,800
» Would that alleviate the problems we've

2555
01:50:58,800 --> 01:51:00,080
had in the past?

2556
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,880
>> I believe it would.

2557
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:05,600
>> It depends on it. Depends on that

2558
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,119
person.

2559
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:10,480
>> It's going to be betting

2560
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:12,480
those folks.

2561
01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:15,760
Um the the biggest problem we've had in

2562
01:51:15,760 --> 01:51:18,560
the past is

2563
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,600
architectural design

2564
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:24,800
and it come to

2565
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:30,400
tuition with what we actually got. So

2566
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,360
I don't know and you can see it happen

2567
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:37,360
here folks. You got that maximum bid. So

2568
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:39,679
just be prepared. Tell's up front. I

2569
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:41,119
won't be here, but I'm telling you

2570
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:43,840
what's could happen is as they see

2571
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:45,599
they're getting close on that number,

2572
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:48,159
say if materials increase dramatically

2573
01:51:48,159 --> 01:51:50,560
from the time it's bid till the time

2574
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,639
it's built because you got a few months

2575
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:55,360
in there. Concrete goes up, paving goes

2576
01:51:55,360 --> 01:51:57,760
up, whatever.

2577
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,920
They have to cut corners because they've

2578
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:01,599
got a maximum number there. None of

2579
01:52:01,599 --> 01:52:03,520
this, nobody's going to eat any of this.

2580
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:06,639
They're going to figure it out. They'll

2581
01:52:06,639 --> 01:52:10,639
change wire size. They'll change type of

2582
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:14,000
light fixtures. They'll they'll cut

2583
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:15,679
corners.

2584
01:52:15,679 --> 01:52:19,119
So, it's not like it's not like it's an

2585
01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:21,920
out out. You know, the the picnic

2586
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:23,280
shelter down here is supposed to have a

2587
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:26,159
tongue and groove. Well, it ended up

2588
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:29,599
getting the 4x8 boards installed

2589
01:52:29,599 --> 01:52:31,199
instead.

2590
01:52:31,199 --> 01:52:34,159
Uh but that was just one of them things

2591
01:52:34,159 --> 01:52:37,360
that she just said, "Oh, it looks okay."

2592
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,760
and let it slide. You know, it was drawn

2593
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,080
one way. They installed something else,

2594
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,080
but she was okay with it. She checked

2595
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:45,920
the box.

2596
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:48,080
You still have a little this happen, but

2597
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,560
not much because the the architectural

2598
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:52,719
design of this building. This thing has

2599
01:52:52,719 --> 01:52:54,800
got to pass code. So, it's going to have

2600
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,199
county inspections. It's going to have

2601
01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:59,199
fire regulations because you got a

2602
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:01,520
garage attached to office and break

2603
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:03,599
rooms. So, you're going to have a

2604
01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:05,840
firewall. You're going to have a lot of

2605
01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:07,840
things that can't be changed even if

2606
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,239
somebody wanted to.

2607
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:13,840
But just know that you're whoever you

2608
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,880
get and it can happen with the with the

2609
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,080
uh first one also if we hired someone.

2610
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,080
We got no guarantees that it'll all be

2611
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:24,080
called looked over. So you just got to

2612
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,440
go where you go.

2613
01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:26,880
>> We'll be council will be the one

2614
01:53:26,880 --> 01:53:28,480
selecting the architect, right? So it's

2615
01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:30,159
on us to do our due diligence to get the

2616
01:53:30,159 --> 01:53:30,880
right person.

2617
01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:33,119
>> Yeah. So yeah. So you all would be uh

2618
01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:34,800
ultimately deciding on the RFQ. We'd

2619
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,119
bring it with you with our you know

2620
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:38,880
there would be design standards. We

2621
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,239
would bring it forward with

2622
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:42,719
recommendations on uh on what that would

2623
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:44,239
be. But yeah ultimately you would have

2624
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:45,760
those options.

2625
01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:50,000
>> But then in a semar who is going to be

2626
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,560
who then is boots on the ground to make

2627
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:54,400
sure that we paid for five inches of

2628
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:56,159
concrete and we didn't get three and a

2629
01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:56,960
half

2630
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,679
>> the Seymour consultant or someone that

2631
01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:03,679
works for them. But somebody is

2632
01:54:03,679 --> 01:54:04,880
reliable.

2633
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:06,000
>> Yeah,

2634
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:08,639
>> that's why that's the 100% sure.

2635
01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:11,920
>> Yeah, but they do add that to the price.

2636
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,480
They're not eating that either. So,

2637
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:16,639
>> just know I'm just telling you up front

2638
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:18,320
how it works. I mean, you're asking for

2639
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:20,480
that security bond and it's a great

2640
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:22,719
thing to have, but they're charging us

2641
01:54:22,719 --> 01:54:25,520
for it basically, you know, but it's not

2642
01:54:25,520 --> 01:54:27,040
a bad thing. It's like an insurance

2643
01:54:27,040 --> 01:54:34,629
policy we're have to pay for.

2644
01:54:34,639 --> 01:54:36,800
As I mentioned, this this this process

2645
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:39,199
is one of the most conservative

2646
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:40,800
approaches just because again that

2647
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:42,239
guaranteed max price because of what

2648
01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:44,239
you're looking at. Um there is not

2649
01:54:44,239 --> 01:54:47,360
foolproof. It is based off of the RFQS

2650
01:54:47,360 --> 01:54:48,719
and how they're written. It's a based

2651
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:52,239
off of how they are um the the responses

2652
01:54:52,239 --> 01:54:55,280
that come in. But ultimately both the

2653
01:54:55,280 --> 01:54:57,280
designers and the arch I'm both the

2654
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,679
architectural firm and the semar report

2655
01:54:59,679 --> 01:55:02,320
to the town similar to the design bid

2656
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:06,560
build uh which ultimately puts the the

2657
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:10,480
and on us to be able to to ensure the

2658
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:12,880
quality that's necessary whereas again

2659
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,840
the design bid would not. But the one of

2660
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:17,119
the benefits of this is at least

2661
01:55:17,119 --> 01:55:19,760
hopefully and from my understanding with

2662
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:21,119
talking with many others who have done

2663
01:55:21,119 --> 01:55:22,719
this is that getting them in the room to

2664
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:24,560
talk at the same time, the architectural

2665
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:26,719
firms and the construction manager at

2666
01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:29,199
risk at the same time alleviates a lot

2667
01:55:29,199 --> 01:55:31,760
of those concerns and ultimately

2668
01:55:31,760 --> 01:55:34,000
hopefully cuts out a lot of those

2669
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,080
cutting corners later on because those

2670
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:37,679
conversations have happened as a part of

2671
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:39,760
the guaranteed bid I mean uh the

2672
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:43,119
guaranteed max price as well. So nothing

2673
01:55:43,119 --> 01:55:46,400
is foolproof. Are you guys used guys are

2674
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,960
you guys getting assistance on uh

2675
01:55:48,960 --> 01:55:50,800
writing the RFQ?

2676
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:53,199
>> Yes. And also we have ALS we also have

2677
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:55,920
great assistance right over here and uh

2678
01:55:55,920 --> 01:55:57,920
Mr. Brian Golden as well helping us with

2679
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,080
that.

2680
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:01,840
>> The only thing I'd say is I hope council

2681
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,199
no matter which way we go right here

2682
01:56:03,199 --> 01:56:04,719
before this motion is actually

2683
01:56:04,719 --> 01:56:07,840
officially made is just we work on

2684
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:09,679
trying to work with the architectural

2685
01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:12,880
firm to reduce some of this cost if

2686
01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:14,239
possible.

2687
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:17,040
you know, not move this over this tax

2688
01:56:17,040 --> 01:56:19,520
burden onto our taxpayers and and hear

2689
01:56:19,520 --> 01:56:22,880
about it. I mean, we need the facility,

2690
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,800
but we don't need uh a firehouse to to

2691
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:28,719
work maintenance out of. Okay. Well,

2692
01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:30,560
let's just work with it. See what we can

2693
01:56:30,560 --> 01:56:33,440
figure out. There's anywhere we can cut

2694
01:56:33,440 --> 01:56:36,000
it, not hurt it. We need the space. We

2695
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:40,790
need all the space we can get.

2696
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,280
So that's going to involve lots of talks

2697
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:45,840
with you all to make sure that we're

2698
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:52,310
meeting your needs.

2699
01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:56,400
» Okay, I'll entertain a motion.

2700
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,440
>> So I make a motion to uh allow staff to

2701
01:56:59,440 --> 01:57:02,080
create the RFQ for architect design firm

2702
01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:04,400
in the Seymour.

2703
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:04,560
You

2704
01:57:04,560 --> 01:57:07,440
>> need authorization to sign

2705
01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,080
no sir. Hey, you you all are the

2706
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:12,400
authority to sign. Second.

2707
01:57:12,400 --> 01:57:14,000
>> Yeah, I'll second that.

2708
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:17,040
>> All right. Any more discussion?

2709
01:57:17,040 --> 01:57:20,080
Hearing none. All in favor?

2710
01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:21,679
>> I'll see it.

2711
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:24,080
>> Any opposed?

2712
01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:27,679
None. All right.

2713
01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:31,270
Thank you, council.

2714
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:34,639
All right. Uh whenever staff gets

2715
01:57:34,639 --> 01:57:36,560
resituated, we'll move on to our

2716
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:38,960
appointment of our board of adjustment

2717
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,599
board member and second alternate

2718
01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:49,990
position. We got three applicants.

2719
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,440
Okay. On the board of adjustment, um you

2720
01:57:53,440 --> 01:57:55,679
have a board member and a second

2721
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:58,560
alternate position to fulfill. And these

2722
01:57:58,560 --> 01:58:01,360
would be terms that um current they had

2723
01:58:01,360 --> 01:58:04,080
someone and the person had to resign.

2724
01:58:04,080 --> 01:58:05,760
One person moved out of town, the other

2725
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:08,080
one had to resign for unknown reasons.

2726
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,679
But these would be to complete those

2727
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:11,760
terms

2728
01:58:11,760 --> 01:58:14,000
and council's been given the um

2729
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:21,510
applications.

2730
01:58:21,520 --> 01:58:23,520
» Yes, sir.

2731
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:25,520
>> Some good applications.

2732
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,760
>> They were good applications.

2733
01:58:27,760 --> 01:58:29,199
Which one are you looking at doing

2734
01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:30,880
first? The board of adjustments.

2735
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:31,520
>> Yeah. Okay.

2736
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:37,109
>> Yeah. We're on We're onbody

2737
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:39,280
got a recommendation.

2738
01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:40,960
>> So, I'll make a motion to appoint Sonia

2739
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:43,440
McCall to

2740
01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:47,920
uh fill out the position resigned by

2741
01:58:47,920 --> 01:58:53,350
uh term expiring in November 18, 2027.

2742
01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,440
that the Brad Burton position. I guess

2743
01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:58,320
he was on He was actually Yeah. Okay. I

2744
01:58:58,320 --> 01:58:59,280
was trying not to say it.

2745
01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:02,320
>> Oh, I'm sorry.

2746
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:06,149
>> Thought

2747
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:07,840
motion by second.

2748
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:12,000
>> So, we're doing two. This is two one one

2749
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:13,440
board and one.

2750
01:59:13,440 --> 01:59:13,920
>> Yeah.

2751
01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:15,520
>> Well, there's two positions open. I'm

2752
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:16,880
just right now I'm doing the first

2753
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:18,239
position, which is the three the

2754
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:22,950
three-year term expiry. So,

2755
01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:34,470
which would be a board member.

2756
01:59:34,480 --> 01:59:39,440
» Uh yeah, a second is one.

2757
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:40,320
>> Second.

2758
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,560
>> Okay. Any discussion?

2759
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:45,520
Yes.

2760
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,719
All right. All in favor? I

2761
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:52,239
>> Any opposed? Fair enough. Okay.

2762
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:55,350
All right.

2763
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,080
Look at our second hold in a position

2764
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:01,119
that that's been open for a a while,

2765
02:00:01,119 --> 02:00:01,840
right?

2766
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:03,280
>> Uh that's Mr. Ross.

2767
02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,679
>> Yes. Yeah.

2768
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:06,320
>> So,

2769
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,480
>> um I make a motion for Jacob Hagerdorn.

2770
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:10,960
>> Okay.

2771
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:12,800
>> For the alternate for the board of

2772
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:14,320
adjustments.

2773
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,639
>> I'm looking for a second.

2774
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:19,199
I got one more question again. Uh did we

2775
02:00:19,199 --> 02:00:21,360
tell them that that this could either be

2776
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:25,679
an alternate or a board or we didn't say

2777
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:26,159
>> um

2778
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:27,599
>> they applying were these three

2779
02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:29,760
applicants applying for a board member

2780
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,199
or alternate?

2781
02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:32,719
>> I just brought you the applications that

2782
02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:37,669
I had on file.

2783
02:00:37,679 --> 02:00:38,480
» Second.

2784
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:42,000
>> Okay. Discussion. Uh does anybody talk

2785
02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:44,480
to Was you able to talk to Jacob?

2786
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:47,440
>> I did reach out and speak with him. Uh,

2787
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:49,119
did he mention he is okay with the

2788
02:00:49,119 --> 02:00:50,960
alternate position or did it ever get to

2789
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:51,280
that?

2790
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:52,239
>> I didn't ask that.

2791
02:00:52,239 --> 02:00:54,320
>> Okay.

2792
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:57,040
All right. Any more discussion? Second.

2793
02:00:57,040 --> 02:00:58,320
All in favor?

2794
02:00:58,320 --> 02:01:04,070
>> I. Any opposed? Hearing none.

2795
02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,400
Right. Uh, let's move on down to D,

2796
02:01:06,400 --> 02:01:08,960
appointment of the egg advisory uh,

2797
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:12,320
committee. Currently, Bert Limus.

2798
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:15,920
I make a motion that we keep Bert Limus

2799
02:01:15,920 --> 02:01:19,040
on the agricultural ward.

2800
02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:20,800
>> Okay, you got a first. How about a

2801
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:21,520
second?

2802
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:22,239
>> Second.

2803
02:01:22,239 --> 02:01:25,599
>> All right, got a second. Any discussion?

2804
02:01:25,599 --> 02:01:30,390
>> All in favor? I

2805
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,520
» Okay, moving on to e uh appointment of

2806
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:36,400
the agra culture advisory committee for

2807
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,119
Bradley Johnston.

2808
02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:40,960
My understanding Bradley does not want

2809
02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:43,760
to serve that. Anybody else served that?

2810
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:44,400
>> I did.

2811
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:45,599
>> Okay. Two.

2812
02:01:45,599 --> 02:01:47,280
>> Okay.

2813
02:01:47,280 --> 02:01:52,080
>> I'd like to appoint Mr. Hoy to the

2814
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:52,560
board.

2815
02:01:52,560 --> 02:01:54,639
>> All right.

2816
02:01:54,639 --> 02:01:57,599
>> August second.

2817
02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:01,520
>> Got a motion. Got a second. Uh

2818
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:03,520
all in favor or any discussion? Anybody

2819
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:05,679
got any discussion on that one?

2820
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:07,360
>> All for Mills River Residents.

2821
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:08,080
>> Peace. What?

2822
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:09,199
>> I said I'm all for Mills River

2823
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:09,599
residence.

2824
02:02:09,599 --> 02:02:12,480
>> Okay. All right. All in favor?

2825
02:02:12,480 --> 02:02:17,189
>> I I

2826
02:02:17,199 --> 02:02:20,159
» All right. Uh, if we can keep going

2827
02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:22,880
here, we're on roll. Uh, we'll need to

2828
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,239
amend the 2026-20.

2829
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,159
We'll need a little help with that one.

2830
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:40,310
Got it right here somewhere.

2831
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:47,669
just

2832
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:50,400
so on last meeting's consent consent

2833
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:53,280
agenda um there was a resolution to use

2834
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:55,920
state contract for um the John Deere

2835
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,719
mower going through that process we've

2836
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:00,719
um learned we're also eligible for

2837
02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:03,199
source well so we are um there's Both

2838
02:03:03,199 --> 02:03:05,040
are really good pricing. We're not sure

2839
02:03:05,040 --> 02:03:06,560
kind of which one's coming back lower.

2840
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:08,159
So, we would like just permission to do

2841
02:03:08,159 --> 02:03:09,440
both of those. So, we can just go with

2842
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,440
the low speed. So, pretty much as simple

2843
02:03:11,440 --> 02:03:13,440
as that. We want to have both options

2844
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:14,320
and then we'll

2845
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:16,480
>> amend it to allow for both

2846
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,000
>> to both.

2847
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:20,000
>> Yeah.

2848
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:23,119
>> Uh I think we've got something here on

2849
02:03:23,119 --> 02:03:24,080
our paper.

2850
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,159
>> Yeah. So, I move to amend resolution

2851
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:28,080
2026-20.

2852
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:29,599
Let's presented amended resolution

2853
02:03:29,599 --> 02:03:31,920
2026-20.

2854
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:35,669
Uh motion.

2855
02:03:35,679 --> 02:03:39,840
» So all the was just add or source well.

2856
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:42,080
>> Okay. And that's good catch. Might save

2857
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:42,560
it all.

2858
02:03:42,560 --> 02:03:43,040
>> Yep.

2859
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,280
All in favor.

2860
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:48,480
>> All right. Any opposed? Hearing none.

2861
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:51,679
>> Okay. We're moving on to G to adopt

2862
02:03:51,679 --> 02:04:10,550
2026-28.

2863
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:14,639
Um this goes along with the um contract

2864
02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:16,800
that you approved in the consent agenda.

2865
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,880
We are trying to move away from global

2866
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:21,360
payments for financial and customer

2867
02:04:21,360 --> 02:04:24,800
service reasons. Um because of software

2868
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:28,000
restraints, all paid could take on our

2869
02:04:28,000 --> 02:04:32,159
civic wreck and smart go software. Tyler

2870
02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:36,159
Technologies only allows two uh merchant

2871
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:38,239
processors, the credit card processors

2872
02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:41,679
to fully integrate with their system and

2873
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:44,159
global payments is one and their own

2874
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:46,639
Tyler payments is the other. The bonus

2875
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:48,639
of doing Tyler payments is that we can

2876
02:04:48,639 --> 02:04:51,199
actually do e checks which would be I

2877
02:04:51,199 --> 02:04:53,280
think 250

2878
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:54,960
um which a lot of our residents have

2879
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:56,960
been asking for the last few years

2880
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,040
because the county does them. So, it' be

2881
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:02,159
a nice service to offer.

2882
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:04,080
>> And just as one final note, Tyler

2883
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:06,239
Technologies is also the the financing

2884
02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:08,080
system that we currently use in house

2885
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:13,040
for uh for both uh finance and tax. So

2886
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:14,639
>> and the credit card fees with global

2887
02:05:14,639 --> 02:05:18,159
payments has gotten to be astronomically

2888
02:05:18,159 --> 02:05:21,840
unattainable for

2889
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:25,040
residents to carry burden for that. So

2890
02:05:25,040 --> 02:05:28,159
uh item J was to move city direct and

2891
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:30,880
smart go as Christine mentioned and this

2892
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:34,400
will lessen that burden um on the

2893
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:38,239
residents using Tyler Tyler payments for

2894
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:39,199
the

2895
02:05:39,199 --> 02:05:41,920
>> technology credit card. use of tax

2896
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:42,400
collection.

2897
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:44,239
>> Okay.

2898
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:47,360
>> I move to adopt resolution 2026-28 as

2899
02:05:47,360 --> 02:05:48,560
presented.

2900
02:05:48,560 --> 02:05:49,360
>> Second.

2901
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:50,480
>> I'll second.

2902
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,880
>> Any discussion?

2903
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:54,880
Everybody understand? All right. All in

2904
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:55,840
favor?

2905
02:05:55,840 --> 02:06:00,000
>> I. Any opposed? Thank you.

2906
02:06:00,000 --> 02:06:02,480
I entertain a motion to adjourn our

2907
02:06:02,480 --> 02:06:04,000
regular meeting.

2908
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,360
>> Make a motion to adjurnn a regular

2909
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:06,080
meeting.

2910
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:08,080
>> Second.

2911
02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:09,360
>> That's it.

2912
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:13,199
All in favor? I. Any opposed?

2913
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:14,560
>> Make a motion to enter a business

2914
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:16,960
meeting.

2915
02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:20,880
>> And James second. All in favor?

2916
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:22,960
>> Any opposed? You're not.

2917
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:25,440
>> Yeah. So, mayor and councel, there's

2918
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:27,440
nothing in the business meeting for

2919
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:30,960
tonight of that that we had identified.

2920
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,320
Uh so really for you all whether or not

2921
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:35,599
there's any items that you have any

2922
02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:36,800
questions about or anything you would

2923
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:38,800
like for us to look at moving forward.

2924
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:40,400
You can see we did put both September

2925
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:42,320
10th September 24th meetings. These are

2926
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:44,400
very preliminary. Uh I feel like that's

2927
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:47,599
the word of the night. Um agendas as

2928
02:06:47,599 --> 02:06:49,280
well, but just showing you what we as

2929
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:51,599
staff are working on right now. Uh so if

2930
02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:52,800
you have questions about that or any

2931
02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,440
other items, we're happy to discuss.

2932
02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,480
like to discuss uh specifically

2933
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:02,639
warehouse heights in either in the UDO

2934
02:07:02,639 --> 02:07:04,320
or

2935
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,239
uh possibly like a moratorum to get

2936
02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:12,000
through it. But um there's a lot of

2937
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:14,639
chatter about some of that and I think

2938
02:07:14,639 --> 02:07:17,199
we need to

2939
02:07:17,199 --> 02:07:20,560
proactively look at it. I would like um

2940
02:07:20,560 --> 02:07:22,239
if

2941
02:07:22,239 --> 02:07:26,320
we could get what it is now, what the UI

2942
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:29,440
has in it, you know, as it stands right

2943
02:07:29,440 --> 02:07:32,079
now, what we can do that's not a down

2944
02:07:32,079 --> 02:07:36,000
zone. Um

2945
02:07:36,000 --> 02:07:39,040
I'd like to weigh our options on that

2946
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:49,830
one.

2947
02:07:49,840 --> 02:07:53,599
So I would make me have a question.

2948
02:07:53,599 --> 02:08:02,320
Could we um the town attorney answer if we do that could we exclude portions

2949
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:04,719
of the town like could we not put a

2950
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:07,840
moratorium on like our Franklin Park

2951
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:11,920
where it's a a business

2952
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:16,870
area anyway?

2953
02:08:16,880 --> 02:08:19,360
So right, there's some certain things

2954
02:08:19,360 --> 02:08:20,880
that you all have to consider when

2955
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:24,000
you're looking at uh adopting or passing

2956
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,079
a moratorum. And and the first thing is

2957
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:28,159
what is the evil you're trying to

2958
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:30,880
prevent? And so if generically we were

2959
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:34,639
going to say no commercial warehousing

2960
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:36,159
buildings,

2961
02:08:36,159 --> 02:08:37,840
what is it that we're trying to prevent?

2962
02:08:37,840 --> 02:08:39,760
Right? So some some people now the big

2963
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,599
thing are these data centers. So the

2964
02:08:41,599 --> 02:08:44,079
moratorium on the data centers but if we

2965
02:08:44,079 --> 02:08:47,920
are trying to prevent largecale tall

2966
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:50,239
warehousing buildings we could limit it

2967
02:08:50,239 --> 02:08:53,679
to moratoriums on height and size of

2968
02:08:53,679 --> 02:08:56,079
buildings but still other small

2969
02:08:56,079 --> 02:08:58,000
warehousing buildings. Me I want to

2970
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:02,079
build a warehouse uh for my lawnmowers.

2971
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:04,480
uh and if it's less than 2500 square f

2972
02:09:04,480 --> 02:09:06,400
feet, I ought to be able to do it as

2973
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:08,639
opposed to having all warehousing

2974
02:09:08,639 --> 02:09:13,040
buildings uh under this moratorum. So,

2975
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,199
Councilman Canrell, you said height,

2976
02:09:15,199 --> 02:09:16,560
right? If that if that's what you're

2977
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:19,920
worried about, uh it could be over three

2978
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:21,920
stories, over two stories, over 30 feet,

2979
02:09:21,920 --> 02:09:26,480
over 35 feet. If you're Brian, if you're

2980
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:29,440
worried about uh large buildings over

2981
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:32,800
25,000 square feet, you know, you could

2982
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:36,400
come up with a number, there needs to be

2983
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:38,000
because in the moratorum, you have to

2984
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:40,480
identify what it is you are trying to

2985
02:09:40,480 --> 02:09:42,800
prevent and how much time you're going

2986
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:46,639
to need to find that cure. And again, I

2987
02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:48,800
don't know, Mr. Malichek's going to tell

2988
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:52,079
us like what the new UDO says about

2989
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:55,840
certain warehousing buildings and size.

2990
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:57,840
Um, right? Because again, you're talking

2991
02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:00,000
about making non-conform you're making

2992
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:03,360
non-conforming uses, uh, decreasing

2993
02:10:03,360 --> 02:10:06,480
density and the the number of uses

2994
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:10,000
allowed on on property. So size of the

2995
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,880
building may not create a uh

2996
02:10:12,880 --> 02:10:17,119
nonconforming or a downzoning situation.

2997
02:10:17,119 --> 02:10:20,239
But but moratoriums aren't just designed

2998
02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:22,320
to

2999
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:25,679
prevent all commercial buildings

3000
02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:28,400
until we get the UDO passed. We are

3001
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,360
working towards some regulations on the

3002
02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,760
UDO. I just don't know what the concerns

3003
02:10:33,760 --> 02:10:35,760
are. But moratoriums are designed to

3004
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,079
pump the brakes so that we can address

3005
02:10:38,079 --> 02:10:40,719
the evils that are lurking out there. We

3006
02:10:40,719 --> 02:10:42,159
just have to figure out what those evils

3007
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:44,159
are.

3008
02:10:44,159 --> 02:10:48,550
>> Uh Mr. Malachic,

3009
02:10:48,560 --> 02:10:51,679
» how many evils can be in one moratorium?

3010
02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:54,560
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, [laughter]

3011
02:10:54,560 --> 02:10:56,800
so I mean the the the height and the

3012
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:58,800
square footage of a of a building. I

3013
02:10:58,800 --> 02:11:01,520
mean, we don't want I if you are worried

3014
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:03,520
about someone coming in putting in a

3015
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:07,520
sevenstory warehouse building that is

3016
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:11,199
30,000 300,000 square feet I that that

3017
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:15,040
seems huge but I mean it could happen um

3018
02:11:15,040 --> 02:11:18,079
that those two evils in a moratorum

3019
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:20,000
could be prevented but if you were to

3020
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:22,000
say any warehouses and I don't know why

3021
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:24,639
I'm call saying warehouses but if you're

3022
02:11:24,639 --> 02:11:27,199
going to say no warehouses

3023
02:11:27,199 --> 02:11:30,159
um in the town of Mills River under this

3024
02:11:30,159 --> 02:11:32,159
moratorum. We would have to be very

3025
02:11:32,159 --> 02:11:34,639
specific why we're saying no warehouses

3026
02:11:34,639 --> 02:11:37,040
at all because if I wanted again build a

3027
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:39,679
warehouse for my

3028
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:43,920
car and uh riding lawnmower

3029
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:46,239
um that moratorium would prevent that

3030
02:11:46,239 --> 02:11:48,000
and is that really what we're looking to

3031
02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:50,159
prevent? So I think the biggest

3032
02:11:50,159 --> 02:11:52,639
complaints was obviously

3033
02:11:52,639 --> 02:11:55,840
that banner farm schoolhouse which one

3034
02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:56,719
>> sorry. Yeah.

3035
02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:57,280
>> Um

3036
02:11:57,280 --> 02:11:59,440
>> so what is the current regulations or

3037
02:11:59,440 --> 02:12:00,639
what was that built to?

3038
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:02,560
>> So current [clears throat] zoning rules

3039
02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:05,280
for light industrial allow up to 80 foot

3040
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:08,079
tall structures or buildings. So that

3041
02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:10,320
was was what was applied to that uh

3042
02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:11,679
development. And [clears throat] then

3043
02:12:11,679 --> 02:12:13,520
because we required the architectural

3044
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:16,320
drawings, excuse me,

3045
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:18,960
I actually looked them up. That building

3046
02:12:18,960 --> 02:12:22,159
runs between 38t to 42 feet tall

3047
02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:23,920
depending upon which corner you're

3048
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:26,079
measuring from. It's [clears throat]

3049
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:28,079
slightly It looks slightly higher, too,

3050
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:30,239
because they put two to three feet of

3051
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:32,400
fill on the site because there was a

3052
02:12:32,400 --> 02:12:34,639
high water table. So, the storm water

3053
02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:36,000
device wasn't going to function

3054
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:38,719
correctly. Um, so that contributed to it

3055
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:41,599
as well. The original UDO which was

3056
02:12:41,599 --> 02:12:44,800
invalidated had decreased the light or

3057
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:47,440
sorry the industrial uh zoning district

3058
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:50,786
height to 35 feet or two stories but

3059
02:12:50,786 --> 02:12:51,760
[clears throat] as part of the

3060
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:54,560
downzoning amendment the final draft

3061
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:58,239
sent out to you guys today we preserved

3062
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:00,239
all the dimensional standards that are

3063
02:13:00,239 --> 02:13:03,199
in our current zoning district. So the

3064
02:13:03,199 --> 02:13:06,800
draft UDO says 80 ft and I would defer

3065
02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:12,239
back to the town attorney, you know, is [clears throat] being stricter with

3066
02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:14,480
dimensional requirements for a building.

3067
02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:18,390
Is that a down zoning?

3068
02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:20,800
In our approach, the consultant and I,

3069
02:13:20,800 --> 02:13:22,480
you know, we were very conservative and

3070
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:25,920
so we preserved uh setbacks, heights,

3071
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:27,840
basically any dimensional standard in

3072
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:33,910
the code. Now,

3073
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:35,520
» did you want to address that?

3074
02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:38,239
>> Yeah. So, the the I I was just I'm I'm

3075
02:13:38,239 --> 02:13:43,030
pulling up the exact language of 607.

3076
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:46,159
» Yeah. So, our approach to amending the

3077
02:13:46,159 --> 02:13:48,800
UDO to become downzone and compliant. We

3078
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,040
took very conservative approach, you

3079
02:13:51,040 --> 02:13:52,480
know, to avoid any type of legal

3080
02:13:52,480 --> 02:13:54,960
challenge. So the dimensional standards

3081
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:58,320
in our code now again setbacks, height,

3082
02:13:58,320 --> 02:14:00,639
building separation, whatever it may be,

3083
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:02,960
those are all carried forward into the

3084
02:14:02,960 --> 02:14:05,679
new amended UDO down zoning compliant

3085
02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:07,280
the draft that was just sent to you guys

3086
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:10,159
today. So it's 80 ft in that draft. It

3087
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:12,639
was 35 ft or two stories in the

3088
02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:17,669
rescended or nullified version.

3089
02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:20,079
I mean, the specific language of 160D

3090
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:22,880
601 uh specifically talks about

3091
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:25,119
downzoning decreasing the de development

3092
02:14:25,119 --> 02:14:27,440
density of the land to be less dense by

3093
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:31,360
reducing the permitted uses of the land

3094
02:14:31,360 --> 02:14:33,920
uh to fewer than were allowed under the

3095
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:37,199
previous usage or creating any type of

3096
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:39,599
nonconformity on land not in a

3097
02:14:39,599 --> 02:14:42,159
residential zoning district.

3098
02:14:42,159 --> 02:14:44,719
>> That may be the one.

3099
02:14:44,719 --> 02:14:46,320
But but you're you're talking about new

3100
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,159
development going forward.

3101
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:49,920
>> But the but the zoning district

3102
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:52,320
dimensional standard period across the

3103
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:53,679
board while it's applied to new

3104
02:14:53,679 --> 02:14:55,040
development.

3105
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:55,440
>> Okay.

3106
02:14:55,440 --> 02:14:57,280
>> The threshold lower.

3107
02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:00,719
>> I think that's was the concern.

3108
02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:04,960
>> Yeah. Not but but but the MRMU is a

3109
02:15:04,960 --> 02:15:06,320
residential district because it allows

3110
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:07,280
res

3111
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:09,520
>> No, mixed use is a is a commercial.

3112
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:11,360
>> You don't allow any residential uses in

3113
02:15:11,360 --> 02:15:12,800
the mixeduse district. No, we allow

3114
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,719
residential uses, but we allow

3115
02:15:14,719 --> 02:15:17,040
everything else

3116
02:15:17,040 --> 02:15:19,119
>> by creating a type of non-conformity on

3117
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:21,119
land, not in a residential zoning

3118
02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:24,079
district. Do you allow residential

3119
02:15:24,079 --> 02:15:26,560
structures to be built in the MRMU?

3120
02:15:26,560 --> 02:15:28,320
>> We do, but I think we're also talking

3121
02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:30,239
about industrial

3122
02:15:30,239 --> 02:15:31,280
I don't

3123
02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:34,400
>> would you I mean, so here here is the

3124
02:15:34,400 --> 02:15:36,320
argument. this this downzoning

3125
02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:39,440
legislation as poorly written as it is

3126
02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:41,599
right says that you can't create

3127
02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:43,119
nonconformities

3128
02:15:43,119 --> 02:15:45,440
on land not in a residential zoning

3129
02:15:45,440 --> 02:15:49,840
district. If the MRNU MRMU is a

3130
02:15:49,840 --> 02:15:51,520
residential zoning district because it

3131
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:54,800
allows residential uses

3132
02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:57,440
by decreasing the height or the size of

3133
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:01,199
a of a warehouse. Are we creating a

3134
02:16:01,199 --> 02:16:03,520
nonconformity on land not in a

3135
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:05,840
residential zoning district? You can

3136
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:09,679
have warehouses in NM MRMU. You can have

3137
02:16:09,679 --> 02:16:12,000
structures, residential structures

3138
02:16:12,000 --> 02:16:15,520
built. So I I can't tell you here

3139
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:18,639
because there is no case law as to say

3140
02:16:18,639 --> 02:16:20,880
residential zoning districts. So I think

3141
02:16:20,880 --> 02:16:23,119
what Mike's saying is he and Chad were

3142
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:25,920
trying to be very conservative. Can you

3143
02:16:25,920 --> 02:16:28,320
still do a moratorium on it until you

3144
02:16:28,320 --> 02:16:31,040
could come up with the

3145
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:34,160
either answer for that or some other

3146
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:36,240
call it workaround? You know, I want to

3147
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:38,080
be able to see the sun on your property

3148
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,000
for more than four minutes.

3149
02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,000
>> Yeah. If if that is and I just pulled

3150
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:45,200
out some old nodes. Again, it it in

3151
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:49,040
order to adopt a uh moratorum, you have

3152
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:50,559
to have the statement of the problem or

3153
02:16:50,559 --> 02:16:53,840
conditions necessitating the moratorum.

3154
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:59,040
So could you still adopt a moratorum to

3155
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,519
prohibit heightened size of those

3156
02:17:01,519 --> 02:17:04,960
facilities if that is if there is a

3157
02:17:04,960 --> 02:17:06,399
specific problem or condition

3158
02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:09,040
necessitating the moratorum and then it

3159
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:10,639
says you have to have a statement of the

3160
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:12,800
development approvals subject to the

3161
02:17:12,800 --> 02:17:15,359
moratorum and how those approvals will

3162
02:17:15,359 --> 02:17:17,840
address the problems and conditions. So,

3163
02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:20,000
I don't know that you could say we want

3164
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:23,920
a moratorum so the town's attorney can

3165
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:25,359
do some legal research.

3166
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:27,200
>> I wouldn't say that. I would leave that

3167
02:17:27,200 --> 02:17:29,920
up to you. [laughter]

3168
02:17:29,920 --> 02:17:33,439
>> Well, um, so again, I I mean, there are

3169
02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:36,880
municipalities out there that have

3170
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:40,160
allowed residential structures in all of

3171
02:17:40,160 --> 02:17:43,519
their districts so that they can try to

3172
02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:45,920
get around this

3173
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:49,040
downzoning prohibition. So in MRLI we

3174
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:50,399
don't allow residential,

3175
02:17:50,399 --> 02:17:50,960
>> right?

3176
02:17:50,960 --> 02:17:53,679
>> So if we allowed residential in MRLI,

3177
02:17:53,679 --> 02:17:55,920
then we avoid this.

3178
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:57,599
That is

3179
02:17:57,599 --> 02:18:00,559
>> that is a potential legal argument that

3180
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:02,399
you could make, but you don't allow it.

3181
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:04,880
Right? So that fits exactly to what this

3182
02:18:04,880 --> 02:18:07,519
says by creating a type of nonconformity

3183
02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:10,240
on land, not in a residential zoning

3184
02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,000
district. If the light industrial

3185
02:18:12,000 --> 02:18:14,160
doesn't allow resident residential

3186
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:15,920
structures, it's not a residential

3187
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:18,719
zoning district. So you can't create any

3188
02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:20,800
type of nonconformity,

3189
02:18:20,800 --> 02:18:22,880
which would be reducing the height or

3190
02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:24,479
the size of a building.

3191
02:18:24,479 --> 02:18:28,880
>> But if those are the tallest buildings,

3192
02:18:28,880 --> 02:18:32,559
the tallest warehouses in LA industrial

3193
02:18:32,559 --> 02:18:34,880
and we know they're less than 45 ft

3194
02:18:34,880 --> 02:18:37,599
tall, could we change that max from 80

3195
02:18:37,599 --> 02:18:39,760
to 45? We haven't created a

3196
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:41,679
nonconformity and we're a little better

3197
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:46,629
off than having 80 foot tall warehouses.

3198
02:18:46,639 --> 02:18:48,800
» You you could try that. The only thing

3199
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,559
that I'm saying is there is no case. All

3200
02:18:50,559 --> 02:18:52,559
this down zoning legislation this

3201
02:18:52,559 --> 02:18:54,880
downzoning legislation is so new hasn't

3202
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:57,439
been challenged in court.

3203
02:18:57,439 --> 02:19:00,160
>> If somebody wants to challenge it,

3204
02:19:00,160 --> 02:19:01,760
>> they can. So if we want to do a

3205
02:19:01,760 --> 02:19:05,200
moratorium on commercial warehouses with

3206
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:06,880
a height building height restriction of

3207
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:08,639
45 ft

3208
02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:10,479
>> anything a moratorium for those

3209
02:19:10,479 --> 02:19:12,800
buildings over 45 ft

3210
02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:15,280
>> for 6 months.

3211
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:16,880
>> Yeah. Yes, I think you could do that.

3212
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:17,359
>> Okay.

3213
02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:18,960
>> As long as we can come up with statement

3214
02:19:18,960 --> 02:19:20,319
of the development approval subject to

3215
02:19:20,319 --> 02:19:22,639
the mortorium and how the moratorum on

3216
02:19:22,639 --> 02:19:24,240
those approvals will address the

3217
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:24,800
problem.

3218
02:19:24,800 --> 02:19:27,679
>> What about 30 ft?

3219
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:30,800
was 45 ft what we got and all we hear is

3220
02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:34,000
about those. I'm just trying to I'm just

3221
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:36,000
trying to There's a lot of chatter that

3222
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,960
more of those are coming and I'm trying

3223
02:19:38,960 --> 02:19:40,639
to make them a little bit more

3224
02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:42,319
beautiful.

3225
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:45,429
>> I'm

3226
02:19:45,439 --> 02:19:48,240
Yeah. 45 ft 30 feet. if there is a

3227
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:50,479
particular evil that you're trying to

3228
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:52,240
address

3229
02:19:52,240 --> 02:19:54,319
because of that.

3230
02:19:54,319 --> 02:19:57,439
>> I mean,

3231
02:19:57,439 --> 02:19:59,840
>> yeah, I'm just I'm I'm trying to like

3232
02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:03,359
reasonably not, you know, be more than

3233
02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:07,429
11 ft,

3234
02:20:07,439 --> 02:20:10,399
but it seems like those are too tall for

3235
02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:16,950
what we would want to see.

3236
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:19,600
I mean

3237
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:23,760
if it gets challenged it's defensible.

3238
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:25,920
We would have to create a moratorum that

3239
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,160
satisfies all of the statutory

3240
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:30,560
requirements under 160d

3241
02:20:30,560 --> 02:20:32,960
107 I think

3242
02:20:32,960 --> 02:20:36,560
and then we would have to create a

3243
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:41,120
reasonable solution as to what we are

3244
02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:44,800
trying to prevent. So, and I and if I

3245
02:20:44,800 --> 02:20:46,479
was going to challenge it, I'm no lawyer

3246
02:20:46,479 --> 02:20:49,920
by no means, but you know, I would take

3247
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:52,880
into consideration some of the height of

3248
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:55,520
the houses around. You know, I'd say,

3249
02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:57,680
man, you got my warehouse to where I

3250
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:00,080
can't have it as high as my neighbor's

3251
02:21:00,080 --> 02:21:03,040
house. You know, 30 feet sounds tall,

3252
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:06,640
but a lot of people's houses from front

3253
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:09,680
door to the front peak is over 30 fairly

3254
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:11,120
easy anymore, especially in the

3255
02:21:11,120 --> 02:21:13,760
mountain, especially, you know.

3256
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:16,160
>> What's the maximum current for

3257
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:19,200
residential building?

3258
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:22,080
>> I was just going off a twotory or 212

3259
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:24,720
>> and that's across multiple districts.

3260
02:21:24,720 --> 02:21:26,800
Okay.

3261
02:21:26,800 --> 02:21:29,439
>> 50 feet is the maximum height for

3262
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:31,760
residential homes in many of our

3263
02:21:31,760 --> 02:21:34,640
districts.

3264
02:21:34,640 --> 02:21:36,560
>> May I get a clarifying question from the

3265
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:38,080
uh ask a clarifying question to the town

3266
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:43,920
attorney real quick? council the uh the fact that we're still in the UDO

3267
02:21:43,920 --> 02:21:47,040
process in and of itself I have seen

3268
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:53,280
used as um as rationale for moratoria

3269
02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:54,800
because

3270
02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:57,680
the UDO process in and of itself will

3271
02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:59,760
bring potential changes through that

3272
02:21:59,760 --> 02:22:02,240
process. We have not adopted a new UDO

3273
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:06,000
yet. So a moratorum on let's just say

3274
02:22:06,000 --> 02:22:09,600
something as specific as that could be

3275
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:14,080
trying to stop the evil of um the the

3276
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:15,520
evil that would be stopped essentially

3277
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:17,200
is that you we are working through a

3278
02:22:17,200 --> 02:22:18,800
process to update our codes and our

3279
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,600
ordinances in order to you know adopt a

3280
02:22:21,600 --> 02:22:25,120
new UDO is that I've seen that used

3281
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:27,280
before. Is that what are your thoughts

3282
02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:28,240
on that?

3283
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:30,720
>> Then your moratorium would only be 30

3284
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:31,280
days.

3285
02:22:31,280 --> 02:22:32,720
>> Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. So, I'm

3286
02:22:32,720 --> 02:22:34,319
just I'm just thinking through what

3287
02:22:34,319 --> 02:22:36,479
those other options are, but I've just

3288
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:37,280
seen that. So, I want

3289
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,280
>> And but by the time you drafted the

3290
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:43,040
moratorum, got it in front of council

3291
02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:45,760
for the proper hearing, it'd be on the

3292
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:46,560
same

3293
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:47,760
>> But there's no guarantee that we're

3294
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:49,439
going to pass the UDO. So, we can make

3295
02:22:49,439 --> 02:22:52,800
the moratorum say 6 months or until the

3296
02:22:52,800 --> 02:22:55,600
passage of a UDO.

3297
02:22:55,600 --> 02:22:58,000
>> Well, that's a good question. I don't uh

3298
02:22:58,000 --> 02:22:59,520
No, I think there's going to have to be

3299
02:22:59,520 --> 02:23:01,680
a a specific

3300
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:02,560
>> date.

3301
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:04,960
>> I can't just make a so moved motion and

3302
02:23:04,960 --> 02:23:08,240
this goes into effect

3303
02:23:08,240 --> 02:23:09,680
>> in the [snorts] public hearing.

3304
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:15,349
>> Sorry.

3305
02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:17,760
» I knew I knew where the humor was coming

3306
02:23:17,760 --> 02:23:18,160
from.

3307
02:23:18,160 --> 02:23:21,280
>> I think I still think we need to explore

3308
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:24,479
this further. I would like to see we're

3309
02:23:24,479 --> 02:23:25,840
in the business meeting. I would like to

3310
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:29,359
see this on a regular agenda meeting

3311
02:23:29,359 --> 02:23:32,160
because I think we should have this

3312
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:34,160
queued up

3313
02:23:34,160 --> 02:23:36,000
anyway.

3314
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:40,070
>> I agree with James.

3315
02:23:40,080 --> 02:23:41,680
» We we toyed around with it a couple

3316
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:44,080
times and keep pushing it back. I I I

3317
02:23:44,080 --> 02:23:49,439
think it's time well spent to

3318
02:23:49,439 --> 02:23:50,479
Yeah. have it.

3319
02:23:50,479 --> 02:23:51,920
>> And we probably need to talk about data

3320
02:23:51,920 --> 02:24:01,990
centers while we're in that.

3321
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:04,080
Mike, can you

3322
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:05,359
about Yeah, about the data center since

3323
02:24:05,359 --> 02:24:07,439
they had the UDO in front of them.

3324
02:24:07,439 --> 02:24:10,240
>> Um, data centers are listed as

3325
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:11,200
prohibited

3326
02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:16,240
>> in our in the new down zoning compliant

3327
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:17,920
UDO.

3328
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:21,680
The the reason for that is because again

3329
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:24,399
while taking a conservative approach the

3330
02:24:24,399 --> 02:24:26,640
mixeduse district says all uses are

3331
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:28,160
allowed

3332
02:24:28,160 --> 02:24:30,000
that [clears throat] doesn't mean anyone

3333
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:32,319
can pick a use under the rainbow and

3334
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:33,760
it's going to be permitted by right.

3335
02:24:33,760 --> 02:24:35,760
It's the uses identified in the

3336
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,920
ordinance itself.

3337
02:24:37,920 --> 02:24:39,840
Um

3338
02:24:39,840 --> 02:24:42,000
and so since data centers are not

3339
02:24:42,000 --> 02:24:45,120
identified as a use in the ordinance um

3340
02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:46,880
we felt it was something that could be

3341
02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:49,439
regulated through a prohibition.

3342
02:24:49,439 --> 02:24:51,200
>> So basically the only uses that are

3343
02:24:51,200 --> 02:24:53,760
allowed in MRMU are uses that exist in

3344
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:55,760
other zoning districts.

3345
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:57,280
>> Correct. Called out anywhere in the

3346
02:24:57,280 --> 02:24:59,359
ordinance. Even if there's a definition

3347
02:24:59,359 --> 02:25:01,120
of and it you know and it's not even

3348
02:25:01,120 --> 02:25:02,960
permitted anywhere. It's a use

3349
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:04,800
identified in the ordinance. It says all

3350
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:06,399
uses.

3351
02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:10,080
That's the equation we use basically.

3352
02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:12,240
>> Is that something that can be challenged

3353
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:14,960
like as a board of adjustment thing?

3354
02:25:14,960 --> 02:25:16,640
>> Every everything can be challenged when

3355
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:18,240
you adopt the ordinance. It wouldn't go

3356
02:25:18,240 --> 02:25:20,479
to the board of adjustment. It would be

3357
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:22,399
challenged to superior court directly

3358
02:25:22,399 --> 02:25:24,240
through some kind of declaratory

3359
02:25:24,240 --> 02:25:26,080
judgment action

3360
02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:28,000
>> right within the specific time. And and

3361
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:30,479
the reason I agree with Mike on on what

3362
02:25:30,479 --> 02:25:32,479
he's saying because there's new uses

3363
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:36,080
that happen all the time. For example, I

3364
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:40,880
was advised Oregon has a silly site a

3365
02:25:40,880 --> 02:25:43,920
mushroom eating facility. So if you want

3366
02:25:43,920 --> 02:25:45,840
to go ahead and and eat some mushrooms,

3367
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:47,920
you can go into this new facility. Who

3368
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:49,359
the heck would have ever thought that

3369
02:25:49,359 --> 02:25:51,040
that's going to that that's not a

3370
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:53,439
permitted use that anybody would have

3371
02:25:53,439 --> 02:25:54,399
ever thought about.

3372
02:25:54,399 --> 02:25:56,319
>> Well, just since we since I've been

3373
02:25:56,319 --> 02:25:58,080
sitting in one of these chairs, the the

3374
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,960
vapes and all have come along and all.

3375
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:03,840
So we we've seen that develop like where

3376
02:26:03,840 --> 02:26:05,520
>> Yeah. Yeah, vape shops are a little

3377
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:06,960
different. That's retail. That's right.

3378
02:26:06,960 --> 02:26:08,880
But but when you're talking about coming

3379
02:26:08,880 --> 02:26:16,080
in into a into a a designated area to do

3380
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:17,600
legalized

3381
02:26:17,600 --> 02:26:19,439
mushrooms,

3382
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:21,840
>> but how do you not how does he not argue

3383
02:26:21,840 --> 02:26:23,200
if I come to him and say that's a

3384
02:26:23,200 --> 02:26:25,280
restaurant? How does he argue that it's

3385
02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:27,359
not? I guess by the definition of what a

3386
02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:30,160
restaurant would be in the uh planner's

3387
02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:31,040
dictionary,

3388
02:26:31,040 --> 02:26:32,319
>> I would have to make a staff

3389
02:26:32,319 --> 02:26:34,560
determination and categorize your use.

3390
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:36,240
And if you disagreed, you'd appeal my

3391
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:40,630
decision to the board of adjustment.

3392
02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:44,319
» That's That's easy.

3393
02:26:44,319 --> 02:26:46,000
>> Well, I'm paying food for I'm paying

3394
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:47,280
money for food. I mean, that's going to

3395
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:54,790
be fun. It's not a restaurant,

3396
02:26:54,800 --> 02:27:00,710
but I think we do need to

3397
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:03,040
What's the rest of you want to do? Look

3398
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:04,960
at it.

3399
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:07,359
>> Yeah.

3400
02:27:07,359 --> 02:27:08,720
>> Okay.

3401
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:11,680
And I'll just say too, the

3402
02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:13,520
building height thing across the code,

3403
02:27:13,520 --> 02:27:15,359
the approach we took was just to take

3404
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:17,120
what's in the current ordinance. So if

3405
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:18,640
this triggers a discussion about

3406
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:20,080
building height in all the zoning

3407
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:21,760
districts,

3408
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:22,960
let's just note that.

3409
02:27:22,960 --> 02:27:31,990
>> Mhm.

3410
02:27:32,000 --> 02:27:35,750
» Anything else?

3411
02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:37,040
» I make a motion to journ.

3412
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:37,600
>> Thank you.

3413
02:27:37,600 --> 02:27:39,280
>> Second.

3414
02:27:39,280 --> 02:27:41,359
Thank you, James.

3415
02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:44,240
All in favor?