We are broadcasting live. Good morning everyone. Uh this is the meeting of the
town of Mono Council held on Tuesday, August 25th, 2026. Uh this meeting is
being conducted both in chambers and by means of electronic participation as
permitted by section 238 subsection 3.1 of the municipal act of 2001 as amended
and the town of Mono procedural bylaw 2020-42.
Uh residents can uh join us as the meeting progresses or view uh offline uh
later on uh on uh YouTube. We do have a quorum here today. Uh a reminder that
emergency exits are in the rear of the council chamber. Uh members are free to
declare pecuniary interest at this point or any point in the course of the
meeting. And I believe we have one declaration
uh which has been filed with the clerk and I'll call on councelor Davyy to do
the indigenous land acknowledgement. >> Thank you, Mayor Kman. We would like to
begin by respectfully acknowledging that the town of Mono resides within the
traditional territories and ancestral lands of the Tonatante, the Adowandran,
the Hudnosoni, and the Anesnabi peoples. We also acknowledge that the town of
Mono resides within the treaty lands named under treaty 18, the Nadawasaga
purchase of 1818. These traditional territories upon which we live and learn
are steeped in rich indigenous history and traditions. It is with this
statement that we declare to honor and respect the past and present connection
of indigenous peoples with this land, its waterways and resources.
» Thank you. I have a motion that council approves the agenda of session 13-2026
as circulated. Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by deputy mayor Nicks. Any
objections to this motion passing? Uh it therefore passes.
I have a motion that council approves the minutes of session 12 2026 as
circulated. Moved by councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor Magalo. Uh any
issues? Seeing none, motion passes.
Um, we have a uh a motion that the minutes
of council session 9, 2026 held on May 12th, 2026
uh as approved by resolution uh 2-10-2026
be amended by replacing the word anti-racism with anti-semitism in
section 3 subsection pardon me in section 3 subsection 3. Um and there is
a recollection of the uh of that issue. Uh moved by uh deputy mayor, seconded by
councelor Davey. Any further discussion? That motion carries.
We have no proclamations today. That brings us to public question period of
Fred or Jessica. Any any submissions online?
» There were no submissions uh submitted in advance of the meeting. Your worship.
» Thank you. Uh, we don't have anyone in the gallery today. Is there anyone
online who has a question for us?
Doesn't appear to be.
I'm wondering if we are in a position to proceed with our uh delegation from
Headarters Healthc Care uh center. I know it's a little early for that, but
uh is is it the wish of council to uh to proceed?
» Uh good good morning uh Kim and Francis. Um just a a gentle reminder that we have
all read your presentation uh and it is available to uh our
residents online to read. So if you can uh paraphrase the uh the high notes that
for our benefit that would be terrific. It will allow for more interaction with
council. The floor is yours.
» Good morning, Mayor Creelman and council. Thank you very much for having
us this morning and I would be more than happy to uh paraphrase and touch on just
the key takeaways. So, I won't bother sharing uh my slides even because you've
all seen them. But, uh I did want to highlight just on some of the successes
from the past fiscal year and then I'll focus just for a couple minutes on key
takeaways on what we're focusing on this fiscal year. There was a slide included
a by the numbers year-over-year slide just to share some of the trending
year-over-year with the volumes we're seeing at headarters. I think just to
highlight is that you know our ED volumes have remained pretty consistent
year-over-year. Uh but where we are seeing some real growth and which
continues is in our obstetrical department. So the number of babies that
continue to be delivered at headarters is increasing year-over-year. That trend
is continuing to increase. We have had many months now with over a hundred
babies delivered per month. So that's very exciting for us. Uh our chemo
program, we are expanding our oncology program. We're also going to be seeing
increases in our diagnostic imaging numbers now that our MRI hours and
numbers are ramping up rapidly. Our lab test saw a big increase. Uh in addition,
we're focusing on increasing our outpatient visits. So I think um one of
the takeaways is last year and continuing to this fiscal is we're
continuing to look at what services uh we can expand where the pressures are
where the demand is uh and to always look at what are the population
projections who's moving into our area so that we can continue to offer uh
programs and services that are needed most. Uh the other highlight just from
the last fiscal year obviously our MRI going live but I also wanted to focus on
some of the plant uh upgrades we've done at the hospital to reduce our emissions
to improve our efficiency to reduce our natural gas use because I am very proud
to share and you saw that that headarters we received the biggest
rebate check um in the province actually from uh Enbridge Gas Energy last year.
So really proud of that. We've got new boilers, all new equipment up in our um
top rooftop facility area. So, really pleased with that. So, I'm now I'm going
to focus on this current fiscal year. Uh we are focusing on our ED, our emergency
department expansion. So, as you know, we'll be celebrating our 30th
anniversary being in this location next year. So, our ED department is a 30 30
plus year old design. uh the volumes we are seeing are significantly more than
what the space was intended to serve. So we're working through that process with
the ministry. So that expansion is underway. Uh excited about that. Uh
happy to share that our um foundation completed their biggest ever campaign of
$18 million and they'll soon be launching their new campaign to support
our emergency department expansion. So you'll hear more about that which is
very exciting. And then of course we continue to focus on reducing our weight
times uh in our emergency department and in other areas such as surgical weight
times and for any other programs and services. We are looking at and
embracing more and more artificial intelligence in the hospital through
various programs uh and features in our current health information system. We're
very proud to be continuing on with the Toronto Metropolitan University School
of Medicine taking on more uh residents and students and increasing all of our
other academic partnerships. And then lastly, I'll just end on a focus that is
always at headarters and that is how can we continue to best support our staff,
our physicians, our volunteers, our, you know, internal culture, our workforce
sustainability uh is something that is always top of mind here so that we can
ensure that our staff are here ready to support anyone that walks through our
doors and that we have a very positive and healthy and safe uh workplace here
at Headarters. With that, I'm I'll pause and I'm more than happy to take any
questions. >> Yes. Um Ralph,
» um thanks very much uh uh Kim and Francis for coming here um and putting
yourself in the position of being asked difficult questions by our deputy mayor.
Uh the I'd like to just comment very favorably on what's going on there. I
think that um uh the reputation of the hospital for strong governance and uh
great service is uh is communitywide and um um I congratulate you for your part
in in that. I also congratulate you for looking ahead and as you have been doing
regularly and about making new plans. So I have three questions related to the uh
some things that are relatively new. What is the present emergency uh
department wait time? Number two, um could you fill us in a little bit more
on where we are with the community health hub? And the third one is about
medical students and TMU, which we can Thank you.
Thank you, counselor. Yes, happy to answer those questions. So, the first
one uh about the current ED weight time. I don't have the ED weight time clock
up, but uh I will share. So last year the provincial
uh target for time to see a position in emergency departments across the
province was less than four hours. So last year we achieved uh 3.9 hours was
our performance. So really happy with that. This year the province um has
reduced that target to be less than 3.4 hours in every single emergency
department. So we are working obviously very hard to achieve and beat that
target of 3.4 hours to see a physician in our merge. So we see stats on a daily
basis. Each day I get a a dashboard which looks at for the previous day what
was the average weight time. It fluctuates. We've had days where it's
been as low as 2.5 hours. Uh and of course unfortunately there are some days
where it is over the four hours. So it varies but we are working towards
performance of less than 3.4 hours which is a current provincial target and we're
making investments to support that. So we do currently have three physician
assistants uh in emergency department that help with the workflow. We've also
implemented a new um rapid triage function uh in emergency department that
is supported actually by one of the ED positions themselves. Uh so we're trying
different innovative things. We have a new it's called the hero AI dashboard in
emergency department. So that's inward facing where our physicians and nurses
there can can rapidly see how many patients are in the department. Which
area are they in? Have they been triaged? Are they waiting to see the
doctor? Are they waiting for a DI scan? Are they waiting for a lab test? So
we're we're also looking at uh other supports to improve the flow in our ED.
Uh second question you had was about the community health hub. Uh so that work I
know is underway uh in partnership with all of our Ontario health team or OHT
partners. So I know they're busy looking at uh how to get that stood up and how
to increase the volumes there. Unfortunately I don't have any specifics
about that councelor Magdalo. So I'd have to follow up on that. Uh all I do
know is that our OT partners um continue to meet and support um the
implementation of that and increasing of volumes. And then I know your third one
uh was around uh medical students and our partnership with the Toronto
Metropolitan University School of Medicine. So we continue to take on more
students. This is our second full year of taking on residents uh with that
partnership and I know um they're very keen for all hospital partners to
increase numbers uh and departments that residents come into. So I know our
medical team has looked at that. We've increased the areas where they'll be
coming in and so we continue to support them and to date I've only had very
positive feedback uh about the students coming in. I've met a few of the
residents on the floors who uh at least to my face are very very positive about
their experience at Headwaters and I give signs of because I always ask them
will you come back and work here and uh I've always heard yes absolutely it's a
wonderful community hospital thank you um it's um uh the latter is
very important I think to the development of um of the community in
the hospital uh having students and being a part of the teaching process
This is something that I've had a lot of experience with and I think it brings um
brings your hospital's u service function up to a a higher level. So
congratulations on that and I encourage you to uh continue to pursue it. I
realize that you're just a partner with the community hub but I thought we
haven't heard you heard much about this and I think it's a bit of a gray area in
in my mind. So maybe we'll get somebody from there to talk to us about it
sometime in the future. Thank you. >> Any other questions?
I I will go ahead. >> Yeah, I I I'm not going to ask any
questions this year, but I I just wanted to say I think it was a great report and
and congratulations on the work you're doing. You you know, I have a a
long-standing concern about the amount of money you're going to have to raise
over the future from local sources and I'm concerned about when you will appear
before a county council probably asking for money, but we'll we'll leave that
subject alone for today. Thank Thank you very much.
» Thank you, Deputy Mayor. next and you'll hear from us next year at council.
» Thank you very much for the report. I look forward um each year when you come.
Uh I guess the bottom line for me it is uh physician recruitment. Hey the I mean
you're you're developing new facilities and you're raising money and you're
seeing more people and people are people are clearly moving into the area which
we already knew but they're they're having babies now that they're here. I
mean all these things are positive but that is uh that is a very low bar if um
we want if a good day is 2 and 1/2 hours to see a doctor in in the in the ED. Um
but I appreciate that with respect to the province who controls health not the
municipal government has given you a bar and you are below it you know that is
that is terrific but but as uh as just Canadians in general physician
recruitment is what we really need to do. So, I was wondering how is that
going on for you? >> Yes, thank you very much for the
question, Councelor Davey. It's it's um uh I would say probably one of our uh
biggest current challenges position recruitment uh and retention for uh for
a few reasons with headwaters. Uh so, but it is something that we are very
focused on. Uh I'll speak to uh certainly one of the gaps that we
currently have and we have been recruiting for this for over a couple
years now. So our one ear nose and throat surgeon uh has essentially
retired uh does not do surgeries anymore or call and uh it's been over two years
we've been desperately trying to find a new ENT. That was the dip in our uh
surgical volumes if you notice them on the year-over-year trending uh because
we have not been able to do any tonslectomies here for the last couple
years. So uh it is a very competitive market. The number of uh graduates
certainly in some of the specialty areas is low uh lower than I think what is
needed uh in the province. I think there is an opportunity certainly for the
ministries to come together and that's a whole other conversation we could have
about uh the ministries the province really working together and planning
ahead in regard to uh where is the population growth geriatrics uh younger
younger families babies and what types of specialties do we need uh to serve
the province but it's one that uh unfortunately we have not been
successful in we are uh I'm going to use the term wooing uh a newer um ENT grad
from out of province. So we we go to great lengths. We look obviously beyond
our province. We look you know across North America to be honest even I should
say even in Europe we've got lots of different kind of tentacles reaching out
trying to look at how we can recruit positions. So we're very busy in that
area but it is position recruitment overall is challenging. I'm going to
speak to just another area and it is our ED. Um and again some of the factors are
out of the control of our hospital. Um some of the outside factors that impact
us are due to the physician services agreement which is negotiated by the
Ontario medical associ association the OM and the ministry of health directly
and just to give you an example and I think it's just important for kind of
education and for council to be aware of it's something I've spoken to Sylvia
about and our board and myself and other hospitals speak about this often. It's,
you know, we're a mediumsized community hospital surrounded by larger centers.
So, we've got South Lake to the east, we've got William Oller, Trillium,
Halton Healthcare to the south, we've got G to the west, and to the north to
the north of Stevenson. So, similar uh and then bigger ones like Royal Victoria
Hospital. But, um there are the new agreement has high volume incentives for
the larger ED departments. Uh so the more patients they see uh which is a
pure incentive for physicians to see physician or patients faster and to see
a greater number there's a volume incentive they receive a higher payment.
Uh then at the same time the province um really incentivized small and rural
emergency departments that were really struggling with uh being able to recruit
physicians. You've probably heard a number of them had ED closures uh which
is not good for those communities. So there's uh large incentives for
physicians, ED physicians to go work in the small rural areas. So unfortunately,
what's in the middle are medium-sized hospitals such as ourselves who are now
competing with, in our case, the larger hospitals where docs now want to pick up
shifts because they have volume incentives. Uh they can make a
significant greater amount of money. At Headquarters, we have what's called an
emergency department alternate funding agreement where there's a guaranteed
amount that our physicians make because we don't have the high volumes. Um, and
but we don't have those incentives that the other hospitals have. So to come and
pick up a shift in our ED is becoming less and less appealing. So again, we
have structured our funding, the physicians have, it's, you know, the
funding agreement is with them directly. The funding flows to them. they've
structured it to try to incentivize uh but I know that it's becoming harder and
harder each day as we compete with these other centers that have different
incentives. So, it's something that the medium-siz hospital network does
advocate to the ministry to the OMA about. Our physicians directly go to the
OMA and then as a hospital we are continually speaking with our physicians
also looking at how can we best support you? What can we do? Um one of the
examples I shared earlier was that um we you know we've supplied three physician
assistants now so around the clock in RD to again help them with their workflow
take off some of the administrative burden so that we can allow them to see
patients faster. So it's a great question. Uh there are some challenges
with physician recruitment. Uh, you know, another one is our geography
where, you know, within an hour of the GTA,
um, which is a blessing and a bit of a curse. There are less and less
physicians that want to make the 1 hour drive north.
» Well, yeah, cuz it's an hour and a half now, right? That's that's the problem.
» And as you know, our real estate is is I mean, it's beautiful up here, right? It
is beautiful up here, but that makes the real estate market also uh it's not
cheap to live up here, >> right? All right. Thank you very much
for that answer. >> Thank you. And if there's anything we
can do um to advocate on your behalf, I think that let us know and let let
county council know as well. uh because it's sort of unfortunate that you fall
in the middle of two sizes of hospital that that get uh uh dare I say
preferential uh treatment or at least uh uh they they have incentives that we we
don't have because we fall in the middle. I have one uh one question for
you and it's the one I ask every every time and that is what is the proportion
of uh of Duffren uh to uh to peel uh patients. Is it still running around
25%? Has it changed in the last year? >> I I think it's uh great question. Thank
you, mayor, for that. It's I think closer to 7030, maybe even tipping the
30 plus percentage now. >> Oh,
» that come to us from PEL and you know, Kaledan in particular, but I'll appeal.
» Okay. >> More and more are coming north.
» That's that's very interesting. >> Any uh any further questions or comments
by council? Well, Kim and Francis, thank you very
much for your presentation. Oh. Uh, Fred, no, I just Oh, you're waving.
» Thank you very much for your presentation and, uh, we've learned a
lot from it and from, uh, the, uh, uh, questions and answers that we've, we've
had today and we wish you the best of luck. Uh, I gather there is a new
campaign launch on the horizon. I've heard a little bit about it and I wish
you the best of luck in in that exercise as well.
» Thank you very much, Mayor and Council. Thank you for having us and I hope you
enjoy the rest of rest of the summer. >> Thanks Kim Francis. Nice to see you.
» Byebye. >> Thank you. The uh next items on the
agenda, I think we should defer to their um uh times uh namely the noise
exemption bylaw applications at 10:00 a.m. and 10:15
a.m. And with the indulgence of council, I think we should proceed to uh uh the
the next items on the agenda after that. Um and then regroup at 10. Are we okay
with that? >> Okay. So, the next uh the next item on
the agenda is councelor Cape's uh uh motion with regard to a mono multi-ports
community center and I'll turn it over to councelor Capes.
» Thank you, mayor. Uh so, I know you've read the report
and uh I know you're as excited as I am to see this come to Mono. Um even people
that I have talked to have still continue to say they want something like
this and so serendipitously we have been um connected to a couple who wish to
build this. So I I don't need to add any more than
what's there. We know that there's more to do. Uh it has to come back it has to
come to council through planning. So, that's being worked out as we speak. I
should let you know they have um approval to build the roadway in. Uh is
everybody familiar where this spot is? >> Roughly. Yes.
» Where is it? >> Yeah. Describe it just for the benefit
of anyone. Highway 89 before you there there's a side road
before the roadway into well it's the Mono Malmer town line before you get
there where Mrs. Mitchell's is. So this would be up the hill and behind that
full throttle. >> Okay.
» And the the the entrance will be off the side road at the top of the hill and
that's where the parking will be. And as far as I understand, of course, all of
the engineering has to be worked out, is it will be built into the side of the uh
hill. >> So, it looks like it's in MMO, but it's
in Mono because the ino >> the mmer Mono town line deviates off of
Highway 89 there. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And uh as I say,
there there are planning things that need to be worked out.
they've spoken to the NVCA and uh there's a lot of earth works that
need to be done and as long as they're compliant with uh NVC requirements and
environmental studies and anything they have to do that's all to be done. Um
they also have to get um
all of the right approvals from our table from our planning and there's been
preliminary they've asked for guidance. I know that
and there will be a zoning change requirement because they own that house
that's there now. It's um a log house >> so they own that whole property. It's
it's more than what you can just see cuz it goes up as well.
» Yeah. >> So, just before I recognize Fred, to to
be clear, what they are seeking is a letter of support from us in pursuit of
a provincial grant. Is that an accurate way of
» No, they're they're they're looking for support from us. Just this as I attached
a general letter saying we we support the concept.
» Mhm. Notwithstanding there's a whole lot of work that needs to be done to make it
work. Uh and so it's a feasibility in that sense but it's what what is
required to make it really viable and make it happen. And so that means that
the more they can get support the more they can go out and seek
funders. >> Fred.
» Yeah. I I want to ask a question which maybe is going to sound a little
negative, Elaine. I I think it's a fantastic idea and I'm all for it, but I
just understand it. When this complex is built, it's privately owned. It's not
it's not a public facility. They will be charging fees for entrance. Will they be
will they be a profit or nonprofit organization? And just to finish the
question, if they're going to build a community center and it's privately
owned >> and it's not a community,
» are they going to have it sort of as a nonprofit instead of registered as a
charity so that they can accept donations and issue charitable receipts?
I I know that sounds a bit negative, but I just want to understand that this is a
total private facility with fees being charged with or without profit being
made. Right. >> Exactly. So, it's an owner built and
operated facility. And of course, they're looking for partnerships. And
so, all of the details behind that still need to be worked out in terms of when
they get the shovels in the ground and they
start to build it. There's other opportunities for them to partner with
community to do community things there. They they are doing this for community.
It's a It's a multis-port rec and community center.
» I understand. >> So, there will be all kinds of
opportunities and we just don't have the details for that yet.
» If I could just follow >> just one more and then I'll turn to
other counselors. >> I understand that, but it I just I
wanted to ask my question because it it influences my mind as to whether or not
we should put public money into something like this.
» They're not asking for public money. I know they're not, but but looking for
partners down the road. And just so that I know down the road the issue, it's
it's a private enterprise. >> Yep.
» Melinda, >> thank you very much, mayor. Thank you,
Elaine, for for continuing to uh champion this. I really think that this
would be a large mistake for Mono to get in bed with another private entity,
whether it turns out to be nonprofit or not. It is a it is a business. There's
no difference from this and the and the new person who came along and renovated
uh a place that had a barn and is now has an event center in their barn and
and um it happens to be near my house. Um and and so this is something that
yes, it's community and yes, I don't mean to I don't mean to stomp on people
who want to go forward with things, but it is it's not a community center unless
it is is a municipal thing. And if we and if we continue allow them to say a
community center, then I think what's down the road is, oh, but it's always
been a community center and we can't afford the new heat pumps. Why? Why
can't you? And and I just I I just think and then the concept looks terrific, but
I don't see there's not even enough parking. If you have people playing
baseball, soccer, and pool at the same time, where the heck are they going to
park? And where's the actual community um
space within the little design? It's it's lovely concept, but um we already
have two fantastic community centers in our town. Why would we support and we
also get flack back from, you know, should we really have these? Why would
we get into a relationship with a with a private entity? And I and I think we we
got what's the expression? It's probably rude. bitten bitten by the having put in
our official plan some other entities in past years that we really wanted to
support. But as time goes on and things change, perhaps you perhaps we want to
change and yet we're then um hog tied. That's also a rude expression, isn't it?
Um by by our our decisions of of mixing municipal with private corporation. So,
» so at this point just to you know good to put that forward. We are not mixing
anything. We are giving them a letter of support that says we support this
concept so that they can go and get funding. It's not that we're giving them
funding, but we're not closing the door because at some point in the future, we
may want to sign along with them for those grants again so that it can be
built for the community to use. There's a huge gap in that northern quadrant.
And it's not only benefits Mono, it will benefit people in Shelurn, it will
benefit people in Meen, it will benefit people in Malmer. and I intend to go and
present to those councils as well. So, so it's not that it's not a community
center. It is a multi-port facility and you can see as you said the
dominant space is for sport. There's an indoor pool and there's indoor
basketball courts that can be used for other things like pickle ball, tennis
and etc. And there is the whole upper floor which is soccer. And as you got
the sense from their letter, um, Richard is a professional soccer player and they
want to bring indoor soccer. They have been running a soccer uh, business for a
a while. And so it it is all of those things.
» Yeah. So, can I follow up on that? >> Yes. Briefly, and then we've got to move
on. And that and that brings me to another point about why you don't
particularly want to get into this one because this is clearly a a passion of
somebody who makes money in the business. So it's not a it's not a for
all of the community and so on. and and right down the road the the Duffren um
recreation complex that we already have a part in that is precarious at the
moment because the way that different municipalities are behaving and wanting
and so on. I I think that we should learn from our lessons and not go into
something like that. So, I I don't I I think if somebody wants to go ahead to
bring it as a zoning change, then that's a council decision to move it on to our
zoning um committee and so on and and and that we should have a space in. But
to put our stamp of approval on some private person who who ha is I I think
is uh is is not cricket. Okay. >> Um Elaine, if I can ask a question. How
is this different than the facility that we already have in Mono known as Axe?
Yeah. >> Well, it's very different um in that
they don't have a pool and it's at the south end and this is at the north end.
» I I'm not that's private. Yeah, >> that's my point is
» but we supported them with the you know >> some of the structure of the didn't we
support them rebuilding their uh dome and
» I think we've been generally supportive of of of their activities and they've
been very very successful in their private and you're right and it's
similar in that in that regard >> they're privately held and they uh they
do indeed reach out to people in Mono who participate in the basketball
program right >> as an example Right.
» So is is it it's similar to what we already have?
» Yes. Exactly. And and also this is liken it to a YMCA.
Like if we could get the Y to come and build here, great. But we can't cuz
they're not building infrastructure right now. And so the YMCA is owned and
operated by the YMCA and it's a fee for service programming. this would be very
similar. Now, obviously these detailed questions about how it would run, how it
would operate, I can't speak to fully because I'm not the proponent and it
would be incorrect for me to do that without them here to speak for
themselves. But this was an introduction to an opportunity that we can take
advantage of to supply something that our citizens are looking for.
And we're only asking right at this point is consideration to sign the
letter that does not obligate us to give them any financing at all or approve
this when it comes for zoning. Uh it doesn't commit us to any of that. It's
just we are saying great idea. Go ahead. >> And why do we need it in writing? I'm
sorry. May >> Ralph, do you have any?
» Yes, it is. Thank you. >> Thanks. Thanks for bringing us Ela and
and thanks very much for championing the uh concept of providing more
recreational experiences for people in Monal. Um I see this as a little
different from Axe in that it has a pool. Um does Axe have an indoor soccer
field now? >> Indoor. Yeah. Fields. That's their deal.
Pardon? >> Yes, that's their deal. Indoor stuff.
» Well, mostly it was basketball. It was built on the on the premise of
basketball and training basketball. I think they had tennies as well at one
point. >> Okay. Um, so this is this is entirely
private and it will be structured that way. Um, if we had a um some business
that wanted to come into Mono and create 20 new jobs and that would be productive
for Mono, we'd have no hesitation in supporting them. I have no hesitation
supporting a private um um u business or organization and in and in in in saying
yes, it's a good thing for us and we'll go for it. Um I' I'd like a little more
information about them if you like. They they um were based in Bmpton and it's an
organization that has similar names throughout the uh North America. Do you
know anything about them? >> You really don't know what you're
talking about? Well, I tried to uh to research it last night and it seemed
that they have a name which is in Bmpton. If you go if you look up their
name. >> What you mean they have a name?
» A name? A name? This is a corporate name if you like. Anyway, I should have more
information. I'll get it for you. >> Right. So, I the information I have is
what was in the report. >> It tells you who they are individually.
» He grew up playing soccer. He became a pro. He traveled the world. His passion
is soccer. and he they run a soccer club.
» She works for the Canadian Armed Forces. Uh so right right
» she has a very uh senior role there and you know they they have the skills and
the passion to make this happen. >> So I got a Brford a Bmpton address when
I looked them up and I'll follow up on that. The other comment is that the CS
uh RIF grant is not available to private organizations. is only available to um
uh NOS's uh municipalities or indigenous organizations. So I'm not sure why they
would put this in here that they're >> No, they didn't put that in there. I
did. >> Okay. Well, I think it's uh that's
grants are not available from that organization for this institution. Well,
um Kim knows more about that than anybody, but there is they did find some
granting uh fund grants that were open to forprofit organizations.
So, we can strike that out if you want, but mainly we're looking for support
just to say we support the idea. It's all up to them as the proponents to make
it happen to do all the planning as I said and get all the everything you know
uh according to planning rules and regulations and
property zoning and all that stuff. >> If I can follow up. Yeah.
» Yeah. I have no problem with uh saying that we would like to see this in the
muna. We think if it's viable they should go ahead. Um, I would not like to
see it morph into something like, "Hey, we're in deep trouble here. Can
municipality help them bail us out?" >> Well, um, I'd like to quote from the the
proposed draft letter. Um, it it says, "Council is supportive in principle of
the proposed multisport community center." Uh I have some question about
the use of the term community center because it does confuse people between
our community centers and and a privately held community center. Uh the
uh wording goes on this support does not constitute imply uh or confirm any
financial contribution, funding commitment, grant, loan or other
monetary support from the town of Mono. Uh it further states this letter does
not supersede wave, replace or predetermine any approvals,
requirements, processes, conditions or obligations. Sounds like it's been
written by a lawyer. Uh or obligations under the planning act. So it's it is
I mean I think we are well protected by a wording that uh says that we are not
obliged to fund and we are not obliged to approve from the standpoint of
planning. >> Right.
So then that brings me to what what what are we doing? Is it really the council's
position when somebody and you're right that we would support but at this stage
of the game when somebody comes to and wants to open up a car dealership or
they don't come to us first and ask for something in writing they get everything
all their ducks in a row and then whereas I I feel like there is and when
and when you say we and so on I'm I'm I'm getting them the the impression that
you have been very passionate about this and that you might not be as objective
about the this as as I would like a counselor to be in your position.
» Yes, Fred. >> So, I just I just don't know why we need
why we need it. >> I just if I could sort of respond to
councelor Davey, I I agree. I I not not with you. I I think there's no problem
with us as a council saying, "Hey, here's a letter of support. We think
it's a great idea and go ahead." I don't have a problem with that. And as the
mayor just read out, there's all kinds of conditions in this letter that says
don't come after us for money or anything else. But I'm I'm quite willing
to support the idea of them doing this. >> Just to clarify, so letters of support
are like perhaps endorsements for councils
running people running for council. They're endorsements. They make no
commitment beyond that. They might not even vote for you, but they're saying,
"Oh, yes. I'll I'll I'll endorse this person to run." because they are looking
for letters of support in all different places so that they can say to private
funders, I have all of these letters of support
for the the desire to see this in the
community and therefore will you give us money?
That's what's it's all about. It's building that business case and building
the funding. Uh >> if if I can make one one statement and
that is this is not dissimilar to uh the town being approached by somebody who
wants to uh uh build something commercial
uh and uh uh and and let's say it's a um a widget factory. Okay. And our response
would be we'd love to see you do that but you have to uh go through a planning
process. don't look to us for subsidies. >> Yes.
» Um and uh and and good luck. Uh but you know, and that happens all the time in
municipalities and and people are encouraged either uh privately or
through through a council discussion such as this uh subject to the
conditions that they apply uh you know through the planning process. and that
uh at any point in the future the answer um to any request for money could very
easily be no and you knew that going into it.
You're >> right. Exactly.
You're right. Except that it's not a widget factory. It is presented as a
» Do you know what I mean? Like it like you're Yes, but it but it is
» it's better than a widget factory. >> It is because it it provides something
to the community. something that the community has been asking for.
» And so >> I don't think the letter I'm all in
support of the letter. I wish it didn't use the word community center in the
letter. >> But that but but we don't we can we can
take well and you're all quick to take that out and take out the grant and
everything. It's actually then it then then it is we're just we we support
business in in mono in general in which of course we do. In which case, why does
this why do they need a specific why >> as I explained they need as many letters
of support as they can unlike just like endorsements
so that when they go to funders not I'm not just that
» no endorsements are legislated this is just an idea
» it's a letter of encouragement >> so that you know people will say okay so
you've you've gone to others you've asked them for your you Do they support
this idea? And yes, they do. It just demonstrates that people have a desire
to see this. >> Okay.
» Call the question. >> Call the question. Okay. Uh I'm going to
call the question. Right. >> Uh I'm not sure it's been moved or
seconded. Jed, your >> No, no, they did it right when she
presented it. >> No, no, I haven't read the motion yet.
» Believe it or not, I haven't read the motion. Oh, then that was before the
meeting that you said I will I will first it and you will second it right
now. >> No, but that's for something else too.
» That's that's for the other thing. We were only talking about the motor
scooter thing. >> Uh I have a motion that we receive the
Mono Mono Multisport Community Center report from councelor Capes dated August
17th, 2026. and that the mayor send a letter of support on behalf of council
to Rich Richard Edwards and Christa Gail Clark Edwards in substantially the same
form as the draft letter of support included in the report.
» Can I move an amendment a friendly amendment? I think can we take
» Well, let's see if it's friendly. >> Okay. Can we take the word community out
of that motion? >> Yeah. Sports center.
» Yes. >> Acceptable with that? Okay. So, we're
removing the uh term community for I think reasons stated uh uh previously.
Um okay. So, um
» so move. >> It's so move. Okay. And I will so second
or Fred, you want to second? >> I'll second.
» Okay. You'll second. >> Uh those in favor?
» Any opposed? And motion carries.
» Uh thank you very much. There are a lot of people out there who
are going to be very happy and I know a lot of them.
» Okay. Anyways, let's let's not go into territori.
» Anyways, uh I am still going to I see we have uh
some people in the gallery. Are you here on the uh uh the noise bylaw?
» Yes. >> Okay. Um, I'm going to if if I if I can
ask for your indulgence, we'll address it at 10:00 because it's on the agenda
as an item for 10:00. So, we'll proceed with uh other items on the uh on the
agenda. The first item is a a temporary borrowing bylaw. This is a routine
matter. And I have a motion that council receives the temporary borrowing bylaw
report dated August 17th, 2026. and that we introduce and give the necessary
readings to a bylaw to authorize the temporary borrowing of funds that be
signed by the mayor and clerk sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book. Uh moved by
deputy mayor uh Nicks, seconded by councelor Magdalo. Any discussion or
questions for less? >> Yeah, I have one question.
» How how often do we use this? Do do we borrow money temporarily? I don't think
we do. Do do we very often? >> Thank Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Uh I was
actually anticipating that question. Maybe not from you, but uh well, not
that recent, but it it's fairly recent during co time when council deferred the
tax payments. I had to I had to kind of dip into that, but it's all it has been
now taxes have been collected. It's all paid up, but we have had to use it
» on occasion that in that moment was an emergency.
» So, it's a sort of a form of bridge financing, right?
» Yeah. >> Okay. Uh I'll call the question. Any
opposed? Do you want to move and second? >> Oh, move her and second.
» We did. We did. Sorry. >> Okay. So, any opposed to the motion?
» Seeing none, the motion passes. >> Uh, next item is the report to council
on the 2026 2027 Island Lake um, uh, drinking water inspection report. And uh
I have a motion that the council for the town of Mono receive the 2026 2027
island lake drinking water system inspection report that and that the town
continues its commitment to transparency to make these reports publicly available
on the town's website and at the town and at town hall ensuring residents have
ongoing access to information regarding the safety and reliability of the
drinking water systems. Do I have a mover for that? Councelor Magdalo moves
councelor Cape seconds uh discussion or questions for Matt uh Ralph and then
Fred. >> Um Matt um could you just explain to us
what secondary disinfection residual is and um why that's been a problem and
what's been done about it. >> Thanks Council M. Um, so we're required,
the operating authority is required to take samples in the distribution system
to ensure that the residual of the chlorine is adequate throughout the
system. Unfortunately, this was more of an administrative miss. Um, I've talked
to the uh town um of Orangeville about this and they've since purchased some
additional software to help remind operators to take these samples. Um like
I said it's a it's more or less a human error on on that behalf, but there's
lots of redundancies in place for chlorine residual. So you have the
pre-cont um analyzers and you have the postc
contact analyzers. This is just an additional test for the system to ensure
that that chlorine is going through the system at a level that's acceptable to
the ministry. So a a testing is done somewhere downstream from where the
chlorine is insert is put in >> and it it appeared to me that that
testing revealed that chlorine was inadequate there.
» No, it's just that it wasn't sampled. >> Wasn't sampled. Okay. So
» So it's a sample that's collected at a sample station throughout the
distribution system. They collects it. They sent to the lab to verify that. And
what's the purpose of doing this secondary uh uh chlorine
» extra layers of to ensure that that chlorine that's injected into the system
that the analyzer should it fail or should an analyzer fail in the in the
pump house um that it's being collected or if it's there's stagnant sections of
water in the system. Um but typically that this isn't normally a problem. It's
just an unfortunate >> So the concern is that the chlorine
remain in the in the system until it comes out my drinking tap, right?
» Yes. >> Okay. And um so it sounded like they
were adding additional pieces of equipment to deal with this. Is it a
monitoring equipment? >> Software. It's just literally a
reminder. And you know operators, it's not just a simple day-to-day thing. If
everything ran perfectly and all the machines ran perfectly and the equipment
was fine, but a lot of the time they get dragged around and there's they're
attending to issues uh at any time of the day. And it's not an excuse, but
unfortunately it leads to uh a mess or a slight delay.
» Okay. Well, so just just say congratulations on the report. It's a
very important subject for our our town and for all of our residents who depend
upon this drinking water and I think the uh management of this has been really
excellent by your yourself and your staff.
» Thank you Fred and then Melinda. Yeah, I was going to ask a question on the same
thing because it's a a non-compliance and you know, every year when we read
some of these drinking water reports, we have the these non-compliance issues
which raises in my mind the question of whether we're dealing with the right
operators for our water system. However, having said that, and I know the
public's listening, I I I I will have to say that these non-compliance issues
that keep occurring in our drinking water reports are are usually just small
administrative or paperwork issues. They're not
» they're not serious non-compliance issues. The water is still safe. And in
this particular case, what surprised me, Matt, was that in last year's report,
this was not a non-compliance issue. So, how come how
I I guess I wondered why wasn't it caught before? And how many years have
we gone without this secondary u um sampling?
» Thanks, Stephanie Mary. Nick with you. Uh we haven't had we there's been times
in the past that this has been an issue where it's been missed and it's been
reported. Um I think last year the year before we had 100% on the inspection
report. So um it's like you said it's it's when you're we have humans involved
even computers involved there's still uh issues with that. So um it
» was caught in the past why wasn't it fixed? Why why haven't we solved the
problem? didn't happen this time. >> I would say that there's different
operators being trained all the time and hired and and whatnot. And like I said,
you're they're being dragged to a different situation at in in Mono or
Orangeville and it may be a slight delay in sampling. Um I believe there was one
instance in the past where it got misplaced. The sample was taken but it
was misplaced. There's just like I said, humans and in and machines there's
there's always the potential for some miss. If I could just finish, there are
other operators we could hire and I don't know what their records are in the
water systems that they run. I guess what I'd like to know, do they also have
human errors all the time or would they be any better than our current operator?
I would recommend you to look at the annual and summary reports that are
submit and the ministry reports that get posted to uh whether it's new to KUMSA
or other surrounding municipalities to review what their their uh status is as
far as uh inspection compliance. >> Thank you, Mayor Melinda.
» Thank you very much. Thanks for the report. And it's and it's good. I mean,
you know, it's it's 93 or whatever, but um wasn't I didn't I read in here that
the that the actual time was in December between tw December 22nd and December 28
or whatever that the error was. So, this was like when somebody was on holiday or
the person who was on holiday didn't quite message to the person who was
covering for them exactly, oh, don't forget to do the whatever. Right. So,
that's that's the human error there. >> That's right. Yeah. There's some the
communication there. And when I was speaking with management about it,
they've since purchased software as an additional layer to for these reminders
and uh the communication transfer um sometimes is there's lots of different
things going on, but Matt >> um
» I just correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't read that the chlorination didn't
happen. I read that the sample wasn't taken.
» That's right. And I think that's a very important distinction to make here.
» Y >> is that the the important thing is that
the the chlorination occurs, right? So yeah, like the chlorine leaving the
facility >> is tested by a pre and a post sampler.
So it can't leave the well shuts down if there's an issue with that chlorine that
chlorinated water leaving the contact chamber, which is a a pipe underneath
the ground that says the chlorine has to be in that water for a certain period of
time. and it's calculated based on the flow going out to users. If it drops
below that level, the pump shuts down. Everything shuts down. So, yeah, it's
it's just an additional check. >> I think that's that's important for the
public to know is that we're not disputing that the chlorination or
they're not disputing that the chlorination didn't occur, only that it
wasn't sampled properly. >> Yeah. Okay. So there's just a couple if
there's any other questions or not but hey
» thank you I yes and and I noticed that too Melinda the December 22nd to 28th
and when should that sample have been taken within that time frame and it says
uh this is on page 13 there's a 48 hour timing on this and then three and four
sample timing. What does that mean? It's just the frequency of the of when
they're taking it throughout the week. So they do four and then they they flip
to three so they don't they don't miss it. Yeah. So it's just a
Yeah. >> In case I get tested by the ministry.
» So um I think report pages 11 and 13. Um
also the ministry speaks about chlorine chlorine contact loops in both Kohl's
and Island Lake. And I spoke to council about this earlier this year that the
ministry had set a a date of August 2027 to implement this contact loop. So I
just wanted to give council the heads up that this will be part of the 2027
budget and it's not cheap. >> Um it's uh 200 plus,000 per system. So
Kohl's and Island Lake and uh the idea is that that will be you know brought to
council and tendered in the spring. We did submit a letter to the ministry
requesting exemption from the Kohl's system because as council will recall uh
the EA has recommended that we remove coals one and two from the system. So
we're hoping we don't have to do that work and then completely abandon it. So
we're hoping we get a favorable response from then. And then I just wanted one
quick thing with respect to the arsenic on page report page 14. Uh we hope to
have the project file report submitted uh published this week. So that will be
uh hopefully online uh as early as this week.
» But the other thing we should assure our taxpayers, whatever the cost of this new
loop is, it doesn't affect our taxes >> comes from reserves. Water reserves.
» No, it comes from the water users. >> Comes from the the reserves that have
been created by the water users. >> Yeah.
» Um >> which we don't have that much. Right.
Well,
anyways, on that note, uh I'll call the question. Uh any opposed to acceptance
of the report? Okay. And that's uh carried.
Uh we are within 3 minutes of 10:00. Is it council's wish that we go to the uh
uh 10:00 item? >> Yes.
» Okay. Good morning. Um, you're here in support
of a uh a request for an exemption to the uh noise bylaw. If you'd like to
come forward and introduce yourselves and uh we'll uh we'll consider the
request. >> Are they for 10 or 10:15?
» I think it's one and the same. >> Oh, pardon me. For 10:00. My apologies.
» Okay. >> Yes. Mr. Boures.
» And Mr. Mr. Borges, if you could just press
the button on the uh and just restate your name and give us your address.
» Joe Boures and my personal address. >> Yes.
» 9562 Six Line, Georgetown, Ontario.
» Okay. >> Thank you. Uh and Mr. Borges, you've
made an application for a u an exemption to uh uh the uh enforcement of the noise
bylaw for your event. uh if you can just tell us briefly a little bit um about it
and the reasons why council should grant the request.
Okay. Um as for what they are, they've it's pretty much it's the same as what's
been done there in the past other than by different people. Um
I don't know, you know, you guys are aware of what they are. So it's uh
exactly the same thing.
Okay. >> Has he been here before?
» Have we Have we ever >> No. No. This is my my first time. I
mean, I've been in Orangeville in the past, but like 15 years ago,
» but you've you've run events in Orangeville.
» You? Yeah. In the past, like been about 15 16 years now. Okay. I haven't been.
» Okay. Um, members of council questions. So, Elaine caught my eye first, followed
by Ralph, followed by Melinda. >> Thank you for coming. And I I just want
to understand because you do know that our bylaw says
sound or vibration is noise >> and it's noise if it's likely to disturb
somebody. >> Yes.
» And we've had lots of, you know, situations that it's disturbed people.
And so I want to understand why you need to go to 11:00 p.m. It gets dark at
8:00. Now >> this we have kind of what it's like a
finals. So we're it carries on a little it won't be on until 11:00. Um I put
11:00 just as 11:00. Um the rodeo itself like
by 9 9:30 we'll be done. Um, I just put 11:00 as
» So, how do you do this in the dark? >> Like, they have the lights. It's It's
still >> um
» Okay. So, could we consider changing it to 9:00?
» Sure. >> It's very generous of you.
» And Ralph and then Hi, Linda. >> Just just hi, thanks for coming. Uh,
just a note about the timing here. Um this is a August the 25th and you're
asking for an event uh uh that uh permission for noise for an event that's
in 4 days time. >> Yes. Um I didn't we didn't have uh the
day or when everything got submitted was I believe
you had was on a Monday and you guys had your previous meeting on the Tuesday so
I couldn't get in on that one. Um it was kind of a rush thing. Um we
didn't have a whole lot of time to um like to do the 60 days.
» Is this a an application here because it was cancelled somewhere else?
» No. >> No, it's just a last minute thought.
» Uh yeah. Um okay.
No problem. >> Um thanks very much. Yeah. Thanks for
thanks for coming in person. It's very helpful and um for for people to come as
opposed to just in writing. Um so I appreciate that. Uh when you made a
comment that you were at the or in Orangeville 15 or 16 years ago, was it
at this at this facility that is in Mono or was it a
» No, no, it was No, it was there at the fairgrounds. So, it was there at the
fairgrounds, >> but there was no I mean, we didn't
require a noise bylaw or uh >> Well, no, we actually had a noise bylaw
that said you couldn't make any noise after 5:00 p.m. So, there was a noise
bylaw. And the the whole reason why we redid it was because it wasn't being it
wasn't being respected or whatever. >> Ours was at that time indoors
» cuz that was 200 from 2004, that old bylaw. Anyway, it was here at this in in
this town that you were here before. >> Yes. And
» and like I said, the ones that we did at that time were held indoors.
» Indoors. >> Yes.
» Right. But you had the windows open and things make noise anyway. So, but but
what may I ask why you stopped going to Orangeville?
» Like why the 15-year gap before between >> Well, I've always uh I've held them
other other places. Uh too since co um I've had health issues like I've uh had
four bypasses and stuff like that. So, um I only really started back up last
year and >> Oh, I see. Oh, okay.
» So, and I did one in Orange, um Cambridge. Um this year I held one in
Milton earlier in the year. >> Okay.
» So, I'm like I'm not doing a whole lot. I only do like one or two a year. That's
all I do. >> So, and the reason to do them in
different locations is because it in it that the community comes from different
places. It's the community um location like the the grounds that you know that
a lot you know that we can have the grounds to use this for what we do. Um
and um yeah basically location. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you.
» Okay. Mr. Press, uh do you have an agreement with the uh Orangeville
Fairboard? Do you have a a contract? >> Yes. I don't have one with me, but
» are they requiring that you get a noise exemption from us in order for the event
to proceed? >> Yes.
» Okay. So, I think that should be clearly on the record that uh uh that's their
insistence. Um we we are not in a position to say no to the event. All
we're considering here today is a request to exempt you from provisions of
the noise bylaw. >> Yes.
» So, we're not we're not shutting down the event. It is like it's on their
» they require us to get one. Okay. >> Uh so Elaine and then Fred.
» Thank you Marin. Notwithstanding that uh we have
in other situations people provide us with the OSPCA
letter of sanctioning the event. Do you have such a letter from the OSPCA or
have you ever had to provide a letter that sanctions your event for the the
treatment of the animals etc? >> I'm not quite understanding the
question, but like I mean I got a letter uh from the fairgrounds that I uploaded.
» No, not the fairgrounds, the animal safety people, the OSPCA.
» Elaine, just to just to put things in context. Yeah. Uh but but nothing hinges
on this because um that's not part of the application. Yeah. Uh no
» OSPCA. I mean they'll never give you a letter for any rodeo of any sort. So
that answers your question. >> Okay. Thank you.
» Thank you, Fred. I just want to understand the mayor's question. You're
saying you have a contract and if you don't get a noise exemption from us,
then you can't run the affair. or is that is that the effect of your
contract? >> Um,
I'm not sure for that question. >> Well, your contract says you must get a
noise exemption from us because >> you must apply for a noise exemption.
Yes. >> To to follow up on what the mayor said,
we're only regulating noise. >> Yeah.
» Not the activity. But I want to understand something. If we
» Well, that's the we have to regulate noise and say you don't get an
exemption, then it seems to me indirectly we're regulating the
activity. >> Well, you can run it without noise.
» What? >> Or you can run it without noise?
» No. The contract says he must get the exemption from us to run the affair. As
I understand what the >> It's not I must get it. I must apply for
one. >> Well, you must apply for one.
» I must apply for one. Okay. >> Doesn't matter if you get it.
» Apply. >> Yeah. We've had instances in the past
where that's not been very clear and it sounds like you must get the exemption
or else the event can't occur. >> Okay.
» And if all it says you must apply for one, I'm hoping that they will will
honor the contract is signed. >> Yeah.
» Well, we'll see. >> Have to vote.
» We'll see. Um
» Okay. Are members of council uh wishing to say
anything more um before we have a vote? >> Yes.
» Sorry, just a question. Has the application fee been received?
» Uh yes, we have received the fee. Uh councelor Capes,
» thank you. >> Okay.
So, um I'll go first. I I just want to indicate Mr. Borges that uh my position
uh is consistently that uh um a noise exemption request is actually um a
request for a permit to make noise. Okay. And uh I've got a I've got a
problem with that. And I think that events can occur uh that do not um uh
intrude upon uh the neighborhood. Um, I don't know if this is one of them, but I
think that it is it is possible that things can occur outdoors at the event
center uh that do not need uh a noise permit uh as I call it. Uh the other
concern I have is the uh the short notice on this um one of the provisions
of applying for um an exemption or permit uh is that the neighborhood be
circulated. And I don't I I would rather suspect
that the neighborhood has not been circulated with
» we've uh put it on the Mono Orangeville Mono Community Center uh Facebook page.
Okay. >> Um
been two weeks, I guess, or >> I appreciate that. I I don't know that
that's what the uh what the bylaw um intends, but uh thank you for for doing
that. >> Any other comments from council?
Uh Elaine, >> I just want to go back to the timing. Um
in our bylaw, it states certain noises can't occur from 10 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.
And so 1000 p.m. uh seems to be a number that's been
defined as uh you can't make noise after 10 p.m. And I
know it says you can't make noise at all.
» Mhm. >> I agree with that. But um
» disturbing noise. >> Yeah. All noise is disturbing to
somebody. Anyway, I just um don't know if we can
» I mean, if we were holding concert there or something, I could see that how
that's like extravagantly loud. >> Our announcer at our shows like it's
just an announcer. It's >> um even if we do play some music, it's
just interesting the people for that are stand, you know, like in in between
people doing stuff there in the grand stands. It's always down low enough that
I'm pretty sure it hardly ever leaves those it won't leave the grounds.
» But as you said yourself, sorry, go ahead.
» And um you know um I've been there and seen it. Um like our announcer and like
say the speakers, we'll put them facing the gravel pit, which works for us. It's
not going to be going towards the residential areas or anything like that.
and uh the level of noise that's there, it won't make it to anybody's backyard.
» Mhm. And and just to go back to something you said earlier, you said
like the whole rodeo part is finished by 9:30. So
» yeah, >> what happen there's no afterparty or
anything like that if that's what you're asking?
» No. So it's just it's it's done then people leave and you close up and take
your stuff out. So
there's really no requirement for 11 p.m.
» No, I like I said, I use that number as >> Okay.
» So >> Okay. Thank you.
» So I have a a prepared motion. I'll read and and of course council is welcome to
uh move any amendments to it. uh that we approve the issuance of a noise
exemption permit pursuant to bylaw 2026-8
noise bylaw to uh Joe Boures to hold a Portuguese-style uh rodeo uh on August
29th, 2026 at the Orangeville Agricultural Society Fairgrounds and
that the permit shall be uh conditional to all terms uh detailed in the permit,
including but not limited to number one, use of ampl amplified sounds between the
hours of uh 12 and 2300. Uh two, uh provide the town with a phone
number for uh the on-site event organizer who will be responsible to
make any adjustments to sound levels as directed by Mono's bylaw enforcement
officer. And uh finally, that the uh $500 application fee be waved. Are there
any emotions to amend that, Fred? I'd like to amend the uh clause saying that
until 11:00 p.m. I think 9:00 p.m. is reasonable.
» And looking at all our in looking at all the sort of restrictions in our bylaw,
if you can't make certain noises between 10 and 7 in the morning, 10:00 p.m. and
7 in the morning. So, but I was just trying to be consistent as a delineated
noise for purposes of it past 10:00. No, I know.
» So, I I subject to what the rest of council says, I would amend it to 9:00
p.m., I guess. >> Okay. Uh, do we have a a mover and a
seconder? And do we have consent to >> friendly amendment not?
» We need a mover and a seconder first and then I'll I'll start uh seeing whether
or not it's friendly or not. So, councelor Capes moves seconded by
Deputy Mayor. Uh now obviously deputy mayor's amendment is is consensual. Are
you in agreement with that? >> I think it's 9 p.m.
» 9 p.m. >> Okay.
» Can we have a little a little bit discussion now that we seconded it
please? Yeah. >> Um just just to
» looking at the schedule that that is report that is attached to um our
clerk's report. I just the the the surge in amount of Portuguese style
rodeos we've been having in the town of Mono is bananas. We've got we've got if
we grant you your or if you carry ahead doesn't matter whether we grant it or
not. If you go ahead with yours on the 29th that's three weeks in a row there's
Portuguese uh rodeos going on. Are you guys not
working together when you say it's the final finals of your
» We work some Yeah, we individual and and some of us and then we get together with
you know some of these are we're involved with each other. Yes.
» Well, like if you're doing your finals, what's the finals for what?
» Like isn't it a isn't it a contest? Isn't there isn't there some sort of
contest to element? >> It's a little bit of a contest. Yeah.
But it's like each one kind of does their own uh on on
their own on on their own. >> So it's really just a party or
entertainment. It's really just an entertainment.
» It's an entertainment. Yeah. It could be if you that's how you want to call it.
» But because the name the organizer names are different that the three in a row
and there are three different people. >> Yeah.
» That are responsible like Yeah. Yeah. It's each one's individually. Yes.
» All right. Thanks for that clarification.
Yeah, I this is a real difficult one for me because I I agree with councelor
Davyy. I mean, every weekend we have some event that causes some noise for
some number of hours. However, in this case, given the lateness of the
application and the fact that he's already got it organized, I'm prepared
to vote yes on the motion on the floor, but I do so with this qualification that
if I'm still here after the next election, I'm hoping we can introduce a
bylaw that prohibits Portuguese both Portuguese rodeos in the town of Mono,
just as we did with the kite flying thing. We passed a bylaw that prohibits
that. I I I know we're not supposed to be talking about the activity you're
running. We're only supposed to be talking about noise, but I have a
concern with Portuguese bull fighting and I and so I will vote yes today, but
I am hoping to introduce a motion that >> no no no campaigning now.
» Okay, I think he's over over the top there.
I think >> Elaine and then
» sir the the other amendment I would like to make is we're not waving the fee
» because it's already paid. >> If council approves the uh the motion as
presented wave the fee I will return the fee to the organizer.
So I suppose the technically it's not waving well it's waving but it's already
been paid so I'll just return it. has fees,
» but I insisted that it be paid in advance. Thanks for that clarification
that I I still would like to not wave the fee. So, I can't vote for the motion
the way it is. >> Well, that's not a friend. It's
» your It's your motion. Uh, councelor Capes. So, the mover and seconder can
change their own motion any way they wish.
» As the secondary, I don't agree with that change.
» Okay. So, I'll call a I'll call a separate vote on the waving of the fee
in advance of a motion the the overall motion
» if we're agreeable to >> if you can do that.
» Absolutely. >> Well, the your worship this motion
includes the the line that the fees be waved. So, it's unless
» unless either it's removed by the mover and seconder or someone moves an
amending motion. >> That's right. I would be calling for an
amending motion >> which would be called before this
motion. >> Correct.
» Okay. >> Correct. That would be my intention.
» Okay. How about I provide you with an amending motion that says that
» No, I can't do that. >> Sure. Technically, you could. Or Yes.
Yes. >> I You need a second though.
» Well, she has to call first. >> So, sorry, but I would like to call for
an amendment that we do not wave the fee. Okay. That's what I move. That's my
motion. >> You were just because it's starting to
get hard to follow. So, councelor Capes, your motion is that we strike out from
the main motion, the clause, and that we wave the $500 application fee.
» Exactly what I meant to say. Thank you, Fred.
» And we vote on that first. >> Do we have a seconder for that?
» Yes. So that I can say something. >> Okay. So, that move is seconded.
Discussion. So the disc the discussion is just a general thing not about you
particularly but a general thing for the public. We have spent an inordinate
amount of time on this noise bylaw. We really felt that we had something now
that we've put it into practicality in this this summer we have found that
there are some shortcomings to it and one of the big shortcomings is that we
have set these fees. We've spent not that we're getting paid for it but our
staff is getting paid for this time. So so we do need to collect fees. money is
being spent in an effort to debate all these things and and have people come
and so on. it there is a cost to it and so far we have I I believe my my memory
is that we've waved everybody and so you you kind of you kind of have to stick
with what you're doing right I but I think on principle the if we're going to
have a bylaw and we're going to have things rules then we shouldn't be waving
fees I don't care how much money you're in need of or anything if you're coming
to me asking for something and you knew that it there was a fee then you need to
pay it >> but um correct me if I'm wrong. You're
the mover of the motion to wave the fee. The seconder, you're the seconder to
wave the fee. >> I seconded a motion in effort to have
some discussion. But what but what we're wanting to do is strike waving the fee
out of the motion. That's what this is. So that there is a fee to be paid.
» Okay. >> Right.
My only comment is yes, Councelor Davyy is correct. Except the principle we've
followed is for people who've made the application before our new by noise
bylaw was passed, we have consistently waved the fee because they didn't know
it when they made the application. So I will be voting against this amendment.
» Okay. Any further discussion? >> Yeah, you've taken the words right out
of my mouth, Fred. Um that's the only reason for waving the fee here is and
that doesn't apply to this case, >> Melinda.
» Right. >> Right. So the motion on the floor right
now is that a fe a fee should be paid. >> No, the office
the opposite. >> The the mo
the motion that you have on the table is that we're going to wave the fee
» or return in the return it. motion that you have put on is that that fee should
not be waved and it should be paid that and we have to and Fred said we have to
vote on that new motion from Elaine that I seconded. We have to vote on that
first before we vote on yours because yours says wave and we couldn't get the
seconder to make the guy pay the fee. That's like
» okay, >> Mr. Bes, thank you for your patience,
» right? >> You just got to do things proper.
» Okay. So, to be clear, we have a motion on the floor moved by uh Elaine,
seconded by Melinda uh to uh uh to to not wave the fee or to return the fee.
So, that's what we're voting on first. >> Your or needs a comma. I need to have
that written. It's just to not return the fee
» is to strike that clause from the main motion, which is effectively what you
said. Fred gave it to us in perfect words that I would have used as well.
» Okay, Fred, do you have a a a better way of expressing it than I did?
» Uh, so the amending motion on the floor is to strike out from the main motion
the clause and that the $500 application fee be waved. So if that carries, then
the main motion will no longer include the clause to wave the fee. Ergo, the
town will not refund the fee. If the amending motion passes.
» Okay. If it passes, >> right, that's right. You're
understanding that. Okay. You want to call the question on the amending?
» I'm going to call the question. All those in favor of the amendment,
» those opposed. And that motion is carried. And on the
main motion, uh, minus the, um, the, u$500 application fee be waved. So,
and your worship also that the main motion had been uh amended by the mover
» to 9 p.m. >> to read. Yeah. 9:00 p.m. or 2100.
» Yeah. 2100. Okay. Let's be consistent. We'll put 2100.
Okay.
So, all those in favor of the main motion,
those opposed to the main motion. And that motion is carried.
» Thank you. Did you follow what we were all doing?
» You got You've got your exemption. I got my exemption and I'm paying $500.
» But you didn't Yeah, you didn't get your $500. Sorry.
» But people >> It's the fee. But people can still
complain if if the fee if the terms of the of the of the waving if the terms of
the >> uh I I read up on it and yeah if it was
something that was planned pre >> the bylaw being made
» that you guys would accept uh would uh not uh charge the fee
» right not the case >> and and to be and to be clear simply
because we >> your bylaw was done in February so
» to be clear simply simply because we've passed an exemption or as I would say a
permit uh to make noise does not preclude any resident in the town of
Mono uh who is agrieved by what they perceive to be noise from telling us
about it. We need to get feedback from the neighborhood.
» Exactly. >> Okay.
» Calling by. >> Yeah.
» Well, they don't call directly. >> And so another question was there or
another thing you guys mentioned was who was in charge there. So, it'll be me and
my phone number that's on the application. So,
» uh there's no change in that. >> Okay. Great. Thank you very much.
» Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh the next uh next item up
is the um noise extension permit to uh uh Francisco Ramos if you'd like to come
forward on behalf of >> And this is the this is the one where
you had a cancellation and you're looking at a new date.
» Yeah. So, we weren't able to perform our full event. Um, actually, it's the
second event that happened this past weekend. We got rained out as well. So,
we just haven't had any luck, unfortunately, with the weatherwise. Um,
July 18th, we performed an event, not to our full terms, unfortunately. Um, same
as this past weekend, August 22nd, the first one on July 18th, we had a haze
alert with the fire hazards that occurred uh within Ontario. So the um
air quality was unconditional for animals and people
um and it did also thunder and rain. The second uh run that we just had on
Saturday, unfortunately we were rained out. Uh we weren't able to perform a
full event again. So in terms of that um we need basically to redem ourselves
from our losses for those two runs. Uh so we are requesting for September 26th.
» Okay. Let me just read the the motion uh that we amend the noise exemption permit
issued to Francisco Romos uh and uh and and approved by council on April 28th,
2026 by adding September 26 uh 2026 as the permitted event date. All other
terms and conditions of the permit are unchanged. Do I have a mover for that?
Uh, deputy mayor moves seconded by Do I have a seconder? Councelor Capes.
Uh, questions or comments of councel? Um, Ralph and then Melinda and then
Elaine. >> Um, you commented about the meeting on
the 18th being cancelled because of weather. Is that correct?
» So, it wasn't fully canceled. We showed up because we still paid our um rental
fee for the facility grounds and everything. We showed up, we set up and
everything. We just couldn't perform our full event. Uh so halfway through we we
shut down. >> So we had a comment from a resident that
the event to some extent carried on. So is that correct? You had
» it carried on to some extent and then we closed down. We didn't perform our full
event. >> Okay. Thank
Elaine. Well, that's that's what I was going to
clarify. And and this p when you say you also got rained out on on the on the
weekend here, you didn't even come to to do it or you started and set up and then
and had to. So, that's not really the same as as having something cancelled.
» No, I didn't put cancel. I don't believe I put cancellation fee. I put that we
couldn't perform our full event. >> Right. So, Right. So, I just kind of as
I say, we've and again, this isn't necessarily what you're asking for now.
I'm not the guy that that licenses things that happen at the at the fair,
but it seems to me that we got a whole bunch of of rodeos going on and maybe we
should, you know, spice it up with some other events. Um, and that, you know,
you've had a good season in that you've had a couple of you've had a couple
already, but >> um,
» we had one full event and then the two kind of fallouts with the weather.
Unfortunately, we can't. >> With respect to the noise, are you aware
of that? Was there any I mean before you got rained out, were there any Were
there any problems or concerns? >> Um I asked the facility coordinator if
everything went well and if there was any complaints. She told me no. So Okay.
» Uh we haven't received any complaints to our ears.
» Okay, great. Thank you. >> I just need some clarification if you
don't mind. Uh, so
you had an approved rodeo for July 11th. >> No. So we had So we had four original
dates. May 30th, July 18th, August 22nd, and October 10th.
» July 18th, and August 22nd, we were uh weathered out.
» Okay. Somewhere I read uh July 11th was the rain out.
» No, that was in our event. >> Okay. So July 18th was rained out.
» July 18th and August 22nd. Yep. >> Okay. Thank you.
Any other questions or comments? Sorry that we can't control the weather.
I know it's an unfortunate weather event, but um we got to pull through and
we got to do our best to make it happen. >> Thank you. And again, you you you heard
my my concerns uh u in supporting these kind of applications, but other
counselors may take a different view. >> Okay.
» Okay. Shall I call the question? >> Yes.
» Uh all those in favor of the motion uh before us,
» those opposed, motion is lost. That does not preclude
you from proceeding, but uh you will not have a noise exemption bylaw.
» Okay. >> Or noise exemption to the bylaw.
» Okay. Okay. Thank you.
» Thank you.
» Okay. Let's have a uh 10 minutes. >> If you break,
» I would just like to say that we've had so many of these and you set up the
other two. They didn't completely run but the residents have been compoundedly
exposed to many events and this is another sort of add-on to getting
towards you know the end of the season and um so it's nothing personal. Okay.
» Yeah. We just thought >> you would try
» and we're trying to redeem ourselves and put our gains back because we don't Can
you put your microphone on while you're speaking?
» Yes. >> Yeah. Is it all good now? Okay. So, we
just figured that we would replace those two dates with the 26th because we do
still have to pay for these events that occur even if we're rained out or not.
» Um, so we were just trying to redem our costs. Yeah. And again, I think in
fairness, I need to ask the question. Um, is there any indication from the uh
uh the um um event center that uh uh you have a contract?
» So, we had a contract. Well, I signed a document for four runs for this year
specifically. >> Um it was a request to apply for a noise
permit. >> Okay. Um that's the fair grounds request
on when we get the paperwork. >> Okay. Thank you. We we just want that on
the record. Thank you. >> Yes. No problem.
» Yes. >> So these these events which got started
and run were ranked out were you not able to charge attendance fees to the
people who came? >> So we did unfortunately our numbers
didn't uh meet quota. So we only yeah like the first run we did really well.
Uh we reached 315 people. The second and third run we just hit under 100.
» Do you do people pay per run? >> There is an entry fee of $20.
» I see. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you again. We're going to have a
10-minute recess. >> So I think we should rename our
again. Uh the next item on the agenda is the um the report and motion with regard
to the six line uh unopened road allowance and deputy mayor Nicks has
declared an interest and is leaving the council
» indirect indirect conflict of interest. Thank
» you. >> Uh excuse me, Deputy Mayor Nicks, could
you for the record just state what the uh the conflict is? The indirect
conflict is that I am a member of the Bruce Trail and part of this sale of the
UN open road allowances to the Bruce Trail.
» Thank you. So, I'm going to read the motion and then we'll we'll have the
questions and discussion. uh that we received the report of the clerk titled
closed six line EHS uh unopen road allowance dated uh August the 14th, 2026
and that we introduce and give the necessary readings to a bylaw to
permanently close uh the unopen road allowance um between concessions 6 and 7
EHS at lot 7 and 8 that it be signed by the mayor and clerk for the town of Mono
sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a mover for that? Um,
councelor Capes moves seconded by councelor Davyy. Uh, questions,
discussion.
Ralph. >> Um, I uh am a little fuzzy on all the
details here. So, I just would like to uh clarify with the clerk uh what
exactly is happening. My understanding, please correct me if I'm wrong, is that
we are selling parts 1 2 3 4 and five. And we're selling a part pin which ends
in 011. And the other part of it is that we are
not uh um charging the Bruce Trail for the portion that the portion of the
Bruce Trail is purchasing which I think is part one and that the sale to the
others is going to be by negotiation with the town
» and that negotiation is all >> that's almost I'm sorry your worship. Go
ahead. Um, with the exception that the Bruce Trail um is paying for the portion
that they're going to acquire, it uh uh staff had made a recommendation
previously or not made a recommendation um had passed along the request from the
Bruce Trail that they not have to pay and uh council indicated that uh they
were to um pay a proportionate amount for the amount that they were going to
acquire which they've agreed agreed to um all parties. Uh we have a verbal
agreement. Um it'll go to lawyers to be written up and finalized, but the last
administrative step prior to that is to legally close the road. And that's the
step we're at now. And and my additional thing,
thanks for that clarification, is that you have a negotiated a a number comes
to I think 45,000 you have indicated and that we're going to agree to that.
» Uh I've indicated it for so that council's aware, but council gave staff
the authority to negotiate the price and I've indicated what we've negotiated.
Fine. >> So, at this point, we're seeking
council's uh approval to close the road. >> So, so essentially, as I indicated,
except for the Bruce Trail. So, thank you for the clarification.
» What do you mean? >> Well, he um councelor Magdalo indicated
that he thought that we were giving the land to the Bruce Trail when in fact we
are going to receive >> payment for it.
» I didn't understand his last. >> Sorry, microphone.
microphone, please. >> My last my last comment was that um the
indic what I'd indicated as being the conditions of this uh movement was
agreed to essentially by the clerk. >> Yeah.
Yeah. So, so this we've talked about this a number of times now. We we talked
about it um recently where we went over again what exactly the pieces pieces
were where we gave we gave permission for them to for the the staff to take
over as the staff should be. It's not a council position um to to do the
negotiating for the sale. it is our it is our job to deem it deem it um surplus
and then now that it's been deemed surplus and there's been negotiations
it's our it's our job to to close it but that's that's all
» yeah and as I understand it once you've deemed something surplus there are
different ways of disposing of that land one of which is negotiation and and
council did in fact instruct staff to negotiate
as opposed to um you know real estate listings and and that kind of thing.
Yeah. Okay. Any further questions or comments on the uh recommendation? I've
read the motion. >> Any opposed to the motion? And that
motion is carried. >> Thank you, staff.
» And if we can uh get uh deputy mayor back.
Next uh item on the agenda is the EV charging station renewal.
And who on staff would like to uh address that?
Uh I wrote the uh report your worship. So this is uh basically carrying on with
the same uh agreement under the same terms that the council has had for the
two stations uh at this building. uh with the exception that the
reimbursement for the electricity costs that we bear has increased slightly but
they are sufficient to cover our costs for that we pay for electricity.
» Okay. I don't appear to have a motion on that. Am I missing something?
» Uh I can read what there is a prepared motion but I can read it out if you
don't have it in front. >> Okay. that we introduce and give the
necessary readings to a bylaw authorizing the town of Mono to enter
into a memorandum of understanding with the county of Duffren for the operation
and maintenance of electric vehicle charging stations substantially in the
form is attached as schedule A to the bylaw and that it be signed by the mayor
and the clerk for the town of Mono sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book.
» Thank you. And I did find it and that's what the the motion says. Yes, moved.
Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by councelor Davey.
» Uh any uh any opposition? >> Oh.
» Oh. Any questions? >> Yeah. Before we vote, we want to discuss
right cuz this is with particularly with our new climate change action committee
and all that things that have to do with electrical stuff is important. I I have
a question. How come we are now doing this 9 months after the terms say that
they're going to start discussions 6 months before the end of the term? Have
we have did did that happen? Why why did it Yeah. So why did it take so long?
» Staff had staff has been in communications with the county and I
believe it just fell off their plate >> because it's a it's a uh whatever. I
mean, it's just something that you might as well um do things on time and
» like missing a water sample that you didn't have a calendar.
» Oh, yeah. But it's a lot of it's a lot of months. It's it's a lot of months,
right? >> It it fell off, I believe, the county's
uh list and we poked them to get this agreeouou uh running again.
» Thank you. Because I I would assume this is a county thing, then this would also
be an county project to have the chargers at all the towns. I would
imagine that all of the towns have been a little delayed in it all too, right?
» I'm not 100% who entered intoUS with the county, but I think a lot of the lower
tiers did at least for one station. We asked for Mono Center at the same time.
You you may recall, but uh we've failed on that application twice now. MTO
doesn't deem it to be what's the utilization like? Um that was what
triggered the uh that question was what triggered the actual u finding out that
theou was we were trying to get our uh um our heads wrapped around the
utilization and that that I believe has has or will be provided very soon from
the county. I don't think I don't think you're
um I don't think you're going to fall over with the amount of ve they're not
waiting in line to get out there. Um but there has been some weekend utilization
we've seen. >> Um we see the odd 6:00 in the morning
person out there. Uh but we don't see a lot of daytime use. Um um yeah. So,
» okay. >> I was just going to say that they Oh,
sorry. >> The the county has provided those
figures about >> for for all of the charging stations
about 6 months ago, but I off the top I can't remember them. They You're right.
I don't think anyone would fall off their chair looking at the numbers, but
they are being used. Yeah, I I firmly believe that there there's the community
centers would probably be uh they would get utilized at the weddings and at the
um but uh destination and wayfinding I think people are coming to Monocliffs
with with a full charge and and and they're they're they're not uh but it is
there it's a service provided and uh and it's pretty good. Well,
» well, and also thank you very much, Mayor, because also in theou there it is
it is a cost to the town, right? It's a it's it's nice that they give us the the
couple of fractions of a cent back for whatever, but but the actual having to
plow around it and make sure it's okay and and everything is is is a cost to
our to our public works department, right?
» We plow in the parking lot anyway. >> I know, but not delicately around
something so that things could get there. You could just kind of plow a
little differently if you didn't have a very expensive piece of equipment in the
middle. >> Your question.
» Okay. >> Okay.
» We we moved a few signs to make it easier for us. They're at the out the
outside of where they probably should be, but uh um it does fit a fullsize
loader in there now, which is uh so people can get access to the uh the
station, but there is there was a minimal impact to it.
» Okay. >> Okay. Good. Thank you.
» So, we have a motion on the floor. Is there any opposition to? Seeing none,
motion passes. Then we get to uh this exotic thing called a joint compliance
audit committee report. And I'll read the motion and then we'll have
discussion. The council receives uh staff report joint compliance audit
committee 2026 municipal and school board elections dated July 31st, 2026.
And that council approves the establishment of a joint compliance
audit committee for the 2026 to 2030 term and delegate authority to the clerk
to appoint members in accordance with the approved terms of reference. And
further that we introduce and give the necessary readings to a bylaw to
establish a joint compliance audit committee that it be signed by the mayor
and clerk for the town of Mono sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I
have a mover for that? Deputy Mayor, seconded by Councelor Capes. Uh,
questions and discussion. Who wants to go first?
And has this ever been used? That's my question. Have we ever had to uh to use
it? >> Jessica,
» my understanding is that no, we the town of Mono has not had a request for a
compliance audit and I'm not aware of any from the other participating
municipalities either. >> Excuse me. Yes. Go ahead. In the last
election, or was it two elections ago, we had one person who ran for the school
board who did not file their financial statements and was banned from running
for the next election. I I'm not going to name that person. So, somebody must
have my assumption is that finding must have
been done by an audit compliance committee, wasn't it, Fred?
» I believe that was a school board that was administered by a different
municipality. What
do you mean this municipality? >> Yeah, school boards uh one municipality
in each writing for a school board oversees it for all the municipalities
within that writing. >> It's probably East GR
» different school board. He's a very busy fellow.
» Okay, a motion's on the floor. I'll call the vote. Any opposed? Seeing none, the
motion carries. Closed meeting investigate investigator
services. Um I'll read the motion. uh that council receives the closed meeting
investigator services report dated July 31st, 2026 and that council directs
staff to take take the necessary steps to transition the town's closed meeting
investigator program to the Ontario OMBbudsman effective July January 1st
2027 upon expiry of the local uh L program. Do I have a mover for that?
Uh, councelor Davyy, seconded by councelor Magalo. Questions, discussion.
Has this ever been uh utilized, invoked, or otherwise relied
upon? >> What the
» Have we ever had a a closed meeting complaint, I guess, is what I'm I'm
asking. >> Yes. Right.
No, we've not had a closed meeting complaint in uh in my term of uh as
clerk >> but if you read the ombbudsman report
which is in schedule A that is kind of the thing that is a problem for the
councils right the ombbudsman does a whole bunch of stuff and with respect to
councils it's very often what's happened >> my question was specific to this council
» right okay >> Fred
» and I just want to clarify uh so when we were with LA the ombbudsman was not
doing closed meeting investigations on the town of Mono, but they were still
doing other types of investigations. >> Yeah.
» Which is why Mono was included in their most recent report.
» Okay. Thank you. Any other questions,
comments? Any opposition? Motion carries. Next item on the agenda is the
um >> Ontario Land
» the Ontario Land Tribunal Appeal. And I'll put the motion on the floor that
council receives staff report Ontario Land Tribunal Appeal 20 Medel Drive
dated August 17th, 2026. Moved by Deputy Mayor, seconded by Councelor
Magalo. Is there any discussion? I think this is just informing us that the
matter is going to appeal.
So, is it the wish of council to uh to support this?
» And the motion is carried accordingly. >> Um,
» we're just receiving. >> We're just receiving it. Yeah. Motion is
to receive. >> So, the next motion has to do with
ebikes. Now, read it and then we can have discussion. Whereas in Ontario,
ebikes and e- scooters are regulated by provincial law under the Ontario Highway
Traffic Act. Local municipalities have the final say on whether they are
permitted on their public sidewalks, bike lanes or roads and public
properties such as parks. And whereas ebikes and e scooters are becoming more
popular and whereas uh there has been an increased number of deaths and injuries
related to these forms of transportation. And whereas Mono has
experienced damage to paved surfaces on our uh in our public parks with costs
incurred by taxpayers for repair and whereas no municip
municipalities in Duffren have opted uh into the provincial pilot program.
Therefore, be it resolved that council hereby declare uh that the use of ebikes
remains subject to the highway traffic act rules and e- scooters uh will be
considered illegal for use on public roads, sidewalks, trails, parks within
the town of Mooney and only permissible on private property. And you'd like to
move that to councelor Cage? >> Yes, I'd like to move that. And I know
that you have additional information about this through the OP. I'm I'm happy
to second it and and open it up for discussion.
» Right. Okay. >> Uh councelor Davy.
» Thank you very much Elaine for bringing this forward. It's a hot topic everybody
around. Um I'm not everybody around all the municipalities are being concerned
about the problem with the motion that I see it is there's a discussion you you
open up by ebikes and e- scooters and the the
it damage that we had was by e ebikes not e
scooters right like because the tires were so much bigger the tires on the e
scooters are quite narrow versus that that pattern that we saw on the rubber
at Island Lake Park. Was Island Lake Park. Was Island Lake Park. So, at any
rate, there >> we have proof of that.
» Well, we saw the pictures and if you see the equipment, but anyway, never mind. I
digress. What what what what what really what really is is that that the
education, I think, is what we need as opposed to just a motion that says
banning because they already are not allowed. You can't you can't be on one
of these things if you're under 16. You have to be on on a helmet. They're not
allowed on the on the roads. They just the the opting program.
Um what did what did you call it? The the pilot program. The pilot program is
to override the illegalness of them and say you can have them. So it's kind of
not necessary for us to ban them, but I actually really believe that it's
necessary for us to get um education out there. education that that these are
illegal, that parents shouldn't be buying from for their kids, their kids
shouldn't be riding them, and they're very dangerous, and that you will be
fined by the by the police, which who have got a because of there's been some
deaths, they've got a a um a mandate and and an interest to be doing something,
but we also know they have a mandate and interest to stop speeding on airport
road and do all these like there's just so much. So, I'm wondering is there
something that we could some brainstorming adding that we could in
some way as opposed to just making this statement and saying we're banning it to
somehow increase education in our community to keep our people safe?
» I I can speak to that and then I'll recognize Ralph. Um the the OP is going
to launch a public education uh program around this and we have a um a police
services board meeting tomorrow that I'll be attending. uh and the topic is
on their agenda. So the public education uh is in fact occurring. Uh I think as
well it's it's occurring because of of a motion like this that reminds everybody
that we are not part of the uh pilot program that provisions of the highway
traffic act still apply even if we were part of the pilot program. You're
correct in that regard. Uh and um this is in response to uh many phone calls
that um we we've all probably received uh of the uh reckless use of these
devices and and it's occurring in our subdivisions, it's occurring u
elsewhere. Um, and you know, whether or not the culprit in the case of the uh of
the the park was one of these devices, I think we're sending a signal to the
public that this is this is just not on and there are many municipalities that
opted into the pilot program that wish they hadn't. Um, Ralph and then Melinda.
Yeah. >> Yeah.
» Yeah. Um, did you want to follow up on >> Well, just Yeah, just the the the
clarification between e scooters, they're definitely they're all illegal.
They're selling them at Costco. You who knows why people sell the stuff they do,
but you they're illegal. But the ebike situation is it's nuanced. So the the
motorcycle the mo the dirt bikes and so on that are that have the have the power
in their in their motor with a throttle to be able to burn rubber like you're
doing in your car when you pull donuts or whatever or when you muck up our new
thing. Those are a different entity than just ebikes in general which are pedal
assisted and you're only ever going to get the amount of energy out of it that
I mean some they're throttle not thrott throttle is not the right word. They're
they're held back to be not not able to go as fast. They don't have as much
oomph in their motor and in order to get the oomph to go you have have to put
your physical as opposed to just turning a throttle like a motorcycle. So, I
would like a little bit more clarification in here because I don't
want we have we have terrific trails that in our in our community that we
maintain that we do like bicyclists to use and nowadays e ebikes are eassed
bikes are not banned. They are allowed. They are encouraged. It's it it's here
to stay. But these other ones, they're illegal.
Would would it would it assist if we we modified the the wording to say e
devices? >> Say to say what?
» E devices. >> No, it's confusing.
» Okay, Ralph, go ahead and then Fred. >> So, couple of comments and a suggestion.
Um I agree with you. Um >> Mike, couple of comments and a
suggestion. I agree with you, Melinda. Um I I doubt that ebikes could you can
burn rubber with them. I have one. I'm not an expert in them, but you certainly
need to uh pedal uh in order to get the assistance to work. And it's really hard
to burn rubber. I think it's must have been something something else that was
in our damaging our tennis court. The I think your purpose here is to u bring uh
this issue this issue of uh scooters uh into the public understanding. Um they
already are banned. They're not allowed. that's part of the highway act and
they're banned unless we enter a pilot project which we're not. So this this um
uh statement that they'll be considered illegal. I don't quite think we got to
do that because they are illegal. Maybe what you'd like to do is to change the
word considered to recognized and it would sound like this. Da da da da.
declare that the use of ebikes remain subject to highway traffic acts and that
e- scooters will be considered will will be recognized I should say will be
recognized because people don't recognize them right now and that is a
part of the public education to which I think John and you are both talking
about the way it reads right now it suggests that we're trying to ban them
or not because they already are banned so my my my um uh friendly amendment is
to change considered should be considered I think to recognized.
» Recognized as illegal. >> Um, recognized as illegal. Yes.
» Any problem with that? I'm fine with that.
» Yeah. So, recognized as illegal. Fred, >> can I just ask an ignorant question?
An ebike is like a bike that you own. Ralph.
» Yep. >> And that's I I know it's been written on
the seventh line. That that is illegal. That
» No, no, it's not illegal. Ebikes are are quite legal.
» They're quite legal. >> Yes.
» Okay. >> Yeah. Under the Highway Traffic Act.
» Okay. Because we're just saying in the in the therefore clause, we're just
saying e scooters. >> That's right.
» Okay. >> And and and that's the operative part of
the motion. Everything else is is probably
» Yeah. >> I guess if we really wanted to educate
people, which is the purpose of this, though I still stand by. Thanks that the
OP is coming out, but I I'd like Mono to do something. I I would like it on our
Facebook page. I'd like it at our at our um environmental uh control party in in
October that you know, yeah, yeah, it's great to have these e things, but be
responsible or whatever. But it's the it's the e motorbike as opposed to the e
pedal bike. >> I think is maybe a distinction that
those e dirt bikes are not allowed on the road. And in mono, cuz I'm a dirt
biker, you're not even allowed to have your dirt bike on the your engine dirt
bike on the road, right? You guys made that law before I showed up. So the I I
think it's important to not remove the the bicycle part of it so that people
are are or not bicycle, the bike part of it, and to to somehow put in there um so
I I would use the word the expression dirt bikes because that's what they are.
They're they're an off-road real off-road bicycle as opposed to just a
mountain ebike that's pedal assisted, but
» if your microphone was on >> Well, I'm not sure what your uh
» Go ahead. Um >> I'm not quite sure what you're
suggesting the change would be. >> Yeah, I didn't understand.
» And by the way, we made this rule before you came because we'd heard you were
coming. >> I only go where I'm allowed to go, so
not to worry. But the but yeah the the the change only because only well
because your your whereas is all start. So if we're only going to change the
bottom to a there therefore for for >> then then we need to also I think cons
take into account if we're going to change it I think we need to take into
account that the expression ebikes is a bit too too broad and misleading in
contrast to e scooters cuz e scooter you there's no way to make a move except for
standing on it and pulling the throttle right or no I guess you could pet I
guess you could >> push whatever but you don't right so
anyway the whole thing is just a little bit um cumbersome. So
» I I I I think the the the amendment to recognize
illegal is is important and and I I think it captures it. Uh I think we we
do need to send a signal that even the conventional dirt bike, we've all seen
examples of people not wearing helmets and and uh uh not being insured uh not
being plated for those devices and uh that is troublesome. that is very
troublesome >> and and for education with respect to
this buying these these um uh toys for your children. Um there was a um lawyer
I saw on social media trying to get the message out.
» Really good. >> Really good saying that you know as
parents for these people under 16 like you're liable. You're liable on many
fronts if something should happen. Never mind the guilt that you'll feel when
your kid's head gets smushed. Right. Yeah.
» Well, and and the the that that post is uh is is exceptionally helpful because
it points out that if uh if uh a rider of one of these these devices uh hits a
pedestrian, the pedestrian can counters sue
» the parents. >> And you know, the whole thing uh
devolves into a world of hurt for everybody concerned.
» Mhm. Well, that's partially my reason for bringing this forward was the whole
let's get people's attention about this. And I know that Orangeville did make a
declaration um not just opt out of the program. They
made a declaration that these were not legal. Now they have more sidewalks and
more places where you know these could be encountered. But I thought after our
conversation about what happened in our own park um that you know we should make
a statement and yes there's a lot of education that needs to happen and we
were in Vaughn the other day and these things are rampant. They're everywhere.
People are driving them on every road down the like main streets. They even
have you know how you used to get a bicycle, you could use the bicycle and
return it at another station. They even have these at those stations now. They
do provide a helmet, but still people are getting on them. They don't know.
Anyway, so >> they're pretty prevalent in all.
» I appreciate the conversation. >> Um
Fred and Jessica, can we look into having a something on the website that
maybe picks up um from another municipality the um uh the message?
There are some very good municipal messages out there on this. We'll do a
scan and we will certainly follow the OP's lead as well.
» Yeah. Okay. Good. So, with the amendment uh on consent to recognize uh illegal as
opposed to consider illegal, uh any opposition to the motion? Seeing none,
it carries. >> Thank you.
And um finally, but not last, I have a motion that we introduce and give the
necessary readings to a bylaw to appoint a town clerk and deputy clerk of the
corporation of the town of Mono that it be signed by the mayor and clerk sealed
and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a mover for that? Oh,
» move it by councelor Cape, seconded by councelor Magalo. Uh questions,
comments? Go ahead. Uh, and then
» maybe I'm confusing things, but clerk and deputy clerk.
So, clerk is Jessica. Deputy clerk, is that not our CEO?
» So, Les and I are actually appointed under another bylaw. Uh should there be
it is my job descript in my job description as deputy clerk and I was
but the bylaw I as I understand it from Jessica uh that appointed me as CEO uh
also included uh my contract and and other things and then less was appointed
at another bylaw because we had some absenteeism at one point right
» um so you're you're well covered >> um and Fred will another bylaw will come
back in November, which will be a sad sad bylaw saying goodbye to our newest
deputy clerk. Um, so there will be some some definitely a few bylaws and then
Jessica and I will speak about whether we want to do an all-encompassing bylaw.
Okay. >> Uh to uh um
» so it's us. Great. Thank you. >> It's a demotion now and then uh worse
news in the fall. >> So we we are a municipality that's
blessed with three deputy clerks. >> Yes.
» Right. Yeah. >> Go ahead, Frank.
» I just wanted to know if the the demotion from clerk to deputy clerk,
does it change the position on the salary grid?
» Absolutely. >> That might affect his attendance. So, uh
» any any further attempts at humor? >> Any opposed?
Congratulations, Jessica. >> Thank you.
Happy to be here. >> You can trade chairs, too.
» But at this point, uh, Miss Kennedy will take over as clerk of the meeting.
» Yes. Excellent. >> Thank you.
» Thank you. and and uh there's lots of times for uh uh tribute and uh uh
memories u Fred. So you haven't heard the last from us.
Okay. Schedule A. I have a motion that we accept schedule A to this agenda.
» We have other
» we're up to schedule A. >> Yep. A
» we are. So I do I have a mover and a secondary
to schedule A and then we can dive into it. Moved by councelor Davyy, seconded
by councelor Capes. Um items on schedule A. Um councelor Capesh sent two in. I
believe >> I sent two in.
» And I have a few when you >> Okay. So councelor Capes first then Fred
and we'll move down the table >> if they haven't been discussed already.
» Yep. >> Okay. One that I didn't put on the
» one that I didn't put on the list was number five. And I just want to make a
quick comment because I think that uh livestock is already included in the
county's emergency planning. >> Fred acknowledges that. Yes, it is.
That's true. >> So going straight was that your only
comment on that could cuz can can I clarify you want to build on that? Well,
big thank you because it was on my list to ask for clarification because we got
this letter and now because it's a number of weeks later that's it goes on
to the schedule A for the public to see. But it was a very good letter and a very
good points and and and seem to be asking for a lot more of the
actual logistics like who are going to be the volunteers who are going to come
and put my horse cuz I don't have a trailer in when we're evacuated and
everything. And so the the answer was that yes, Duffren it's in the animals
are in the plan for preparedness. But does the Duffren does it does it go as
much as what this letter said? That's what I wanted to to clarify.
» That's what I wanted to clarify. >> Okay.
» Oops. But now we have to wait cuz that stopped everything.
» We we did we lose our internet. >> It looks like it stopped.
I would recommend your worship. We give uh Andrew a few minutes to uh get
everything back online. Confirm that we're online and streaming before we
carry on. >> So Andrew, if you can confirm when
everything is back and ready and that we're streaming,
» that was too quick for the generator to kick in.
» They didn't kick in. No, but this seemed And this I don't know.
It looks like the stream is still active. Oh,
» okay. >> Okay. Thank you,
» Fred. You had a a comment. >> Yeah. So, I've reached out to uh uh
Steve Murphy, who is the county emergency coordinator, and asked that
this go on to uh the next countywide um Duffren Joint Emergency Management
Committee for further discussion. To your point, councelor Davey, our
emergency plan includes more than just a list of uh of vendors and service
suppliers. So, we do have that list of various livestock and dead stock and
other uh vendors in the agricultural area, but the plan also lays out certain
specific actions uh in the event of an emergency. I think there are some good
points in the letter uh which is why I forwarded it to uh Steve Murphy and I'm
looking for the uh the entire county to have a discussion on if there's further
steps that we should consider. >> Yeah, that's great.
» Thank you. Thank you. That's great. Good.
» Okay. So, so thank you Melinda. And I want my
two that I submitted to want to speak to was uh 15 and 21. So number 15,
» right? So
what this does is it means that any property that we
had identified as having potential for heritage
designation can now be as of January 27th
destroyed without us being informed. So,
um perhaps if we can somehow convince people to want to rally
around doing more uh designations uh of those that are in the top of those
that we don't want to see lost and those that we think are at the greatest
threat. Um that's that's the the fallout of this. Can I ask a question on that? U
go ahead. To >> to do that, we we would need a heritage
committee. Do we still have a heritage committee?
» We would have to reestablish a heritage committee,
» but but we we only have 3 months to do that in
» they can work fast. >> Okay.
» Okay. The the other suggestion that has been
made by um members of the former former members of the heritage committee would
be to um uh create a a list of historic properties of interest
to replace what was here to for on the registry.
» Mhm. >> And I sort of like that idea. I think it
should be voluntary. I don't think it will be a hard uh hard cell to get
people who are formally part of the registry to uh participate but at least
it would uh uh create a record of what uh we had um uh previously designated
for purposes of the registry >> right and we don't lose that
we lose the fact that it's listed identified somewhere but we still have
the list of those properties it's not like that disappears. But I like that
idea and I was thinking similarly, we did once upon a time do this, held an
open house and invited people who were on the list to come and voluntarily step
up to have their property designated. So if we wanted to, but that's a commitment
in financial terms that we haven't budgeted for
necessarily. if like 10 of those people come forward, we're looking at money and
um anyway, it's it's worth having a little more review on and maybe um
maybe going back to some of those individuals that were
uh on a heritage committee and reinstating a heritage committee and
inviting people to um to come together. In fact, I'm not sure we actually need a
heritage committee to designate properties, but Fred or Jessica will
correct me on that. >> Uh if council establishes a uh heritage
committee, then it's been delegated to that committee. However, if council
doesn't establish such a committee, council still has the authority under
the act to designate properties. Right. >> They would just have to have some other
resources. >> Yes. Yes.
» Do the paperwork. >> Right. Thank you.
» Uh Ralph, um so Ela and I have had this
conversation a little bit. Um and the uh I think you're you're right. We do have
a list and but that becomes unofficial after this and hope it's in somebody's
portfolio somewhere. Um, but I think that the idea of having a spe a special
um list of properties of interest is is a is a good one because that would be a
come a private list of our our town at all and it's not that not regulated by
regulation and it would just be something that we've done for ourselves
and we would uh I think that would probably provide some ability to follow
up with in a meaningful way. What I thought
» I thought that this new thing that's happening in January 1st is that if it
hasn't if a propertyy's on a list and it hasn't been designated by that date,
you're not going to be able to do it. That was the point.
» No, they're actually they're actually abolishing the the registry.
» Yeah. So >> abolishing that list.
» Well, that that's right. So abolishing the list means we can't have like I'm
not quite sure what we can do. >> I I I I disagree. I think we can have
our own our own list of notable properties. Um it doesn't have the
strength or or it's not binding uh in the same way that uh it used to be, but
it becomes a record of historic historically significant properties in
the town. And I'm happy to indicate that I'll bring them I'm going to do a notice
of motion for the next meeting to create such a list.
» Right. So Melinda to to your point what happens with the January 12 27th
date is those properties are not now considered under that provincial uh
legislation to be listed and therefore that they couldn't be demolished. That's
the only thing. So what will happen is that disappears but we could have our
that same list and keep that list. We just wouldn't be notified if any of
those properties sought a building permit and demolition permit. That's the
change. So, we can still keep those. >> So, but list of names or properties.
» Great. But what are we going to what are we going to what are we going to do with
it? The ultimate uh point of the list I thought was I properties that were of
interest. So that then and they had hundreds of them so that then they would
go through ultimately in due course not knowing that that the there was some
sort of a deadline so close that they would go through them in due course and
actually not just register them but definitely designate them.
» Yes, that's true. So, but you're not even allowed to do that anymore because
you can designate them and that list doesn't matter. We can now say that list
isn't here. We'll create a new list. It's the same list. And now we're going
to use that list and we can determine we can do an invitation out to the
community that's on that list. Open house. See who wants to designate their
property. >> Okay.
» And move forward. All right. >> I don't I don't think it precludes uh
voluntary designations. If somebody comes forward and says, "Uh,
» uh, I'd like to have my, uh, my home designated," we would go through an
investigation with a reconstituted committee.
» Um, and we'd be guided by the fact that, uh, uh, previously that property may or
may not have been on the registry, which no longer exists. And, uh, you know,
governments change and maybe a registry will come back. Who knows? I don't know
why it's going away. >> Yeah. Anyway, so
» because they want to dem build more homes.
» They want to allow people to demolish properties. You're right. You're right.
» New new homes. I have no idea. >> Well, because they're appreciating that
they weren't supposed to take the green belt. So, where else can we take some
land? Oh, right. Let's take land from places that are already have houses on
them. I think I don't. All right. Well, well, I mean, I I I uh
this is was an extremely disappointing thing to see that, you know, we've
looked at your your um your comments on a short period of time and we've decided
not to, right? I mean, that's what the letter said, which was very
disappointing. >> Yeah. Thanks for your comments.
» They're talking to themselves. >> Okay. And then I had number 21.
Let me get there.
Uh I think this is timely.
There are so many municipalities being asked to uh accept these data centers
and there are a lot of them being turned away and causing uh like it's causing
citizen concern. even here people are reaching out to me and saying I heard
this was going to happen in in Mono and I said no it's not that was Hamilton and
they turned it down anyway so I I do um want to support that the county have
uh a statement on any development that we are not looking for data centers
they use a huge amount of water and power and um I don't see that we
shouldn't combine and talk about it. >> Melinda,
» thank you very much. Maria, this was on my list only to comment that there's
this big hoopla around about how it takes a lot of water and and like the
like the mega quarry that wants to go below the water table up to try to get
to try to get the lime limestone using water, you know, and so therefore making
us be worried about our water and having just had the the recent um delegation
regarding how, you know, there's only so much. But for me, what really So, this
is good. But for me, it's it's okay, fine. Everybody makes a big stink about
how you're not supposed to use the water. Well, then the engineers are just
going to use air cooled stuff and electric like they're going to change
and it will but it's still is the power that is needed that our infrastructure
that there won't be enough power to power our little um station in the
parking lot, right? I mean that that to me that's what's really and it's going
to be very expensive because if they do need power if we do feel that we really
need this AI and we and this is the way to go and we're going to not use water
to cool it. We're going to we're going to use um whatever heat pumps and things
that are that use electricity then we need to make more electricity
» and so then it's all going to be very expensive. So I I would endorse this is
I'm happy about that, but I want to see the one that really talks also about
that energy is a really important part here that's going to be used.
» Well, there's more than than than simply the water as you say. There's the
energy, but there's also the persistent hum that originates from these
structures. And uh you know we we all know about
windmills and and uh actually the the generating stations that windmills rely
on um emit a noise that is aggravating to neighbors. But I have a question for
Mike and that is um somebody comes through the door uh tomorrow and says I
want to build a you know 20,000 50,000 uh square foot warehouse.
Uh and uh they put in the the right paperwork and it it on the face of it it
looks just like a warehouse but at some point they transitioned that into a data
center. Um, and they don't run a foul of our
official plan. They don't run a foul of our zoning. Uh, because the uh property
in in question is either currently allows a warehouse or they make an
application through the planning process to create a warehouse and all of a
sudden we have a data center. Am I too conspiratorial on that?
So warehouse would trigger us to think commercial industrial immediately which
would uh only occur on a commercial industrial zone property which is under
our I'll say OP under OP is under site plane zoning is under site cycling
control. Um, so we would uh we would uh run that warehouse through the uh
through the ringer with site plane control that's on title and that would
limit the uh limit the uses to the current uses. Now
some of our commercial property has a definition for computer logistics
but I think the definition is repair and sales of computers. as an allowable. So,
our definitions definitely don't include data centers um because they were not a
thing uh when we did our last OP, but but it would be on title and they would
be bound by their uses and they would have to stay in line with those uses,
allowable uses. So, and the square footage definitely would fall under
zoning allowances. >> But I'm I'm just wondering about a
Trojan horse here. >> Yeah, exactly. Site site plan. you're
you're thinking a barn on a property um being you know
we had a couple at the committee of adjustment last week where they were
larger barns above what council and that's why I think council gets the
opportunity or sorry committee of adjustment gets the opportunity to
manage the square footage of of the uh of the impact of all land whether it be
rural and or uh or uh urban commercial zone. Yeah,
» rural a is sort of caught under this uh council of the day said uh uh you know
if you're if you're wanting to put uh I forget the number 600 m squared more
than 600 m squared of of uh coverage on your property you have to come to the
committee of adjustment and speak to >> the committee of adjustment isn't going
to stop somebody from um obstensively building a warehouse and then all of a
sudden it's populated with uh with uh computer equipment and and massive
cooling and humming and electricity. >> So if zoned rural bylaw would have the
right under the zoning bylaw to uh to require a site plan agreement.
» So I guess the bottom line is do we need to say in our official plan uh that a
data center data center center as defined
is is not a permissible use in the town of Mono. I would agree there's
definitely wording with respect to water takings um and uh and so forth, but
there's definitely wording that should occur uh for a whole slew of new new
things in our OP and in our zoning allowances. So, councelor Capes, is it
your wish that we endorse the the Orangeville uh motion? We can have a
simple motion of >> Yes, please. And I think that's really
good what um our CEO just said and we can expand that beyond water as Melinda
was saying to include power power, you know, use or
» I think it's a big deal. >> So we need a we need a a motion on the
floor moved by seconded by uh Ralph uh that we support the uh the
Orangeville uh motion.
We have a motion prepared that we could suggest for council
» that council for the town of Mono supports and endorses the resolution
passed by the town of Orangeville calling on the county of Duffren to
undertake a comprehensive review of the potential advantages and disadvantages
of new data centers. >> I so move.
» Thank you. So we have a mover in a second or any opposition
» discussion. Oh, go ahead. Um, when I first heard when I first heard about
this, I thought, well, this isn't Colorado, which is going to be draining
some big river and these things are probably not going to come here. But I
looked up something called ontario data centers.ca
and there are 18 applications filed in the area surrounding uh the greater
greater Toronto area up to Bmpton. Nothing above that. But so this is
something that's on the move. So, I think it's important that we uh that we
carry on with this uh motion. I approve of it. So, we're passing it over to
Duffren County expecting them to come up with a a some solutions. Okay.
» Thank you, Linda. >> Just a little comment about the whole
size thing. Do you remember when computers first came out and they were
all in a big huge room and it was a whole bunch of stuff and now we all
carry it in our pocket. This whole idea that you know we have used so much that
we need these. what was the one that the Mr. Wonderful was doing the size of
Manhattan or whatever. there's a whole conglomer bunch of buildings and
everything and you just think about yeah when they invent something in a few
decades and then all those buildings are useless right what are you going to do
with them so thinking ahead I think is very important that the that as you say
this to to be in our zoning that you can only come yes come in here make a make a
um a warehouse but it can only be so big right
» okay uh no other discussion any opposition to the motion seeing on it
carries. Uh, anything else? Uh, Elaine? >> Okay, Fred,
» that was it for me. Thank you so much. >> Anything from schedule A?
» Yeah, I had two items. One was item number six, and that is a letter from
the county asking the town of Mono to help them or at least to reach out to
the town of Mon for input to their official plan number five. And I have no
problem with them reaching out and asking us for input to this process. But
I have one concern with the whole official plan amendment number five
process. And that is that they will be um coming up with a new plan and looking
at uh residential land and employment land. We already know that in their
written comments they're looking at the expanding the boundaries of the town of
Orangeville and all that's fine. But I in my humbleable view and I'm going to
sound like a broken record here. They're missing something in the process which
is yes that do a land need to study study and the numbers are this.
Originally Duff County was to look at a population of 95,000 by 2051.
That number has changed several times. It went up to 117,000 and now it's back
down to 97,000. It doesn't matter. Most of that population growth will be in the
town of Orangeville which has service services. My concern is that before we
start changing the official plan and planning for this increase in
population, we should be looking at the question of as to whether or not we have
the water resources to do it. All the wells in Orangeville, I think except one
have a water quantity threat. If if you read the latest study and the
presentation we had from Benham from the Credit Valley Conservation and our
Cardinal Woods wells have a water quantity threat. Now, I know there's
proposed solutions, but in my humble view, these wells are all drawing from
the same aquifer, which is fine. And if the hydro geologists tell us that they
can withstand the new population increase, then I'm happy. My my comment
is though that we we we're missing a step in official plan number five. We
should look at the water resources first and then do the land need to study
assuming that we have enough land or enough water for this population
increase. So, I'm in in agreement with the letter that the Duff County has
written to the town of Monono. Reach out and talk to us. But I think when we talk
to them, we should make that point.
» Good points. Um Fred, I think I to me what stood out as when I wrote this down
is that we've been waiting when we talk about um our unfinished business list,
we're waiting for uh Duffren before we can then rejig ours, right? Am I wrong?
I'm I'm that's what I've been told. And so the faster that they get organized
and of course I think what happened was that they were going they made different
a they made different amendments. We're all okay and then oh no we need to do
something else. So Mono's been sitting back on our big list of things waiting
because there's no point in spending effort and time on something that then
ends up in the grander scheme not being. So um th this letter is saying but it's
not it's not because we're holding anybody back, right? Like we're
» No, we're not we're not holding anybody back. No. So I I I would uh um
ask them to do it quickly so that we can get on with everything else.
» Not not wanting them to slow down. Maybe they could use that plan amendment as an
opportunity to address the issue of data centers as well.
» I had I had a second item. Item number seven I I pulled.
That's that's a report that I wrote. uh note that it was dated July 11th and I
said that I've heard that the province has appointed an executive director to
the new Western Lake Ontario Regional Conservation Authority. Well, you will
note from item 14 now we know who that person is and it's uh um I forget the
name, Jacqueline Johnson. All I know about her is that she's from Burlington,
worked for Burlington. My only comment I mean this may be good or bad. I don't
know. It just I was surprised that the person they've appointed as the
executive director who will become the CEO of the new regional conservation
authority for a term of up two years has no background in conservation
authorities. That that was a concern. But the other point I would draw your
attention to is the last paragraph in my report of January the 11th where I talk
about this modeling that Credit Valley did. I I'm not competent enough to
remember all the details to tell you how it works, but I was very impressed with
the presentation they made. And so, and I've given you in my report some of the
numbers of what they expect increases in stream flows and temperatures and loss
of trees to anyway, the point is when they gave the presentation, they said
they're prepared to come out to individual municipalities and give a
report and to narrow the modeling down to more specific regions. So, I just
want to put on I don't have a motion. I just want to tell staff and any of you
counselors who are going to be here in the new term that I think we should be
thinking of inviting these people to make a presentation to the town of Mono
sometime early in 2027. It's a very intriguing modeling process they've gone
through. Thank thank you. Uh just uh from the uh from schedule A
uh I had identified item number 17 the letter from the solicitor general with
regard to next year's policing costs. Uh and I found it interesting that uh they
are um promising a a ceiling of of not more than 11%.
Uh I went back to last year's letter which said exactly the same thing. There
was it was it was cut and paste and it wasn't uh it wasn't there was no room in
the last year for something less than 11%. It became 11%. And I predict that
this is the same thing even though they're sort of hinting that it might be
less than 11% and they also saying that this is a timelimited uh uh time limited
thing. Well, it's time limited until the year following it becomes 11% again. I
guess I don't know. I I would just point out
» so that makes it a 44% in the last three or four years.
» Yes. >> Because it was 22% one previous year.
» That's correct. And and I mean, you know, we need the policing and we need
more policing. Uh what bothers me is that we do not have the offset revenue
that we deserve to offset the increase in policing costs. What bothers me uh
your honor is the we have no explanation for why we have a 44 44% increase in
pleasing costs in in 3 years. Do you have any information about that?
» The year one was 20 around 22% and that was as a result of a collective
agreement with the OP officers. >> Okay.
» Uh what constituted last year I don't know and what constitutes next year I
don't know. >> So okay.
» Okay. thinking that maybe positive things that maybe by giving them more
money they'll be able to give us more police cuz I'm really disappointed that
when we had a terrific person who retired and was on part-time and so on
and we tried to hold our our guns to say that no we we do need police in our in
our community and we were to we were they just sat here and they said no we
can't no you can't and so it's kind of like well why can't you well we can't
find the people and you know good help is hard to find so I do understand the
actual logistics of the person who needs to hire people It's tricky but then you
come back to like okay well if you have more money maybe people are going to
come and I mean the the hospital was telling us the same thing recruiting
right it's about money right so it so hopefully maybe maybe to think
positively >> I'll be asking tomorrow
» I I was just going to add I too am surprised by this letter but I wanted to
add a side note that and I can't find the numbers but I did the calculation
once our fire services costs have also increased I think over the last decade
by an average annual increase of something like 16% a year. I don't quote
me on that number but it's something like that. So between policing and fire
services I'm I'm putting that on the record because I know some of our
residents are surprised when they find we have to raise taxes but we have no
control over this.
» That being said I >> That's all you were going to talk about?
» That's all I was going to talk about. Ralph, anything? Uh just one. It's uh
number uh 23, the last one. The single use of propane cylinders. It sounds like
um this is legislatively has been handled, but practically it's not in
place. And um I'd like to have a motion that we support this uh this request. Uh
at the moment it's a it's a uh recovery authority uh is uh supposed to take care
of this and uh but the problem is there aren't enough stations for you to take
your propane cylinders. >> So my proposal is that we have a motion
that supports this. >> So we have a a seconder and u councelor
Davey >> I I think that's a good idea. I looked
at it and had to look at single propane. How many of those do I have in my
basement from the various things that I from camping and whatever? And so the a
quick little review there are and in fact being with more people who are
maggyvery type people. Um refilling them has is illegal and don't do it on the on
the green ones that you just buy and don't do that. However, they are making
ones that are the cuz they're handy size to have. They fit into certain machines
that you have and so on. And they do have refillable ones now. And so I would
appeal to us all to not buy the $6 regular one at the Canadian Tire because
then what are you going to do with it? it's a problem, but to to seek out the
more expensive one that you can reuse for a few years as a you know idea.
» That's a good point. Try to find them. They're hard to find. We have one. It's
about this big that we take camping to hook up to our camp stove.
» These ones that I were seeing are exactly the same. And probably it's one
of those needing to order online things as opposed to going. But also, you know,
if you go to our regular stores, I mean, if you go into the supermarket here and
you ask for, you know, a certain type of cheese that they don't have, they do
endeavor to bring what they what their patrons want.
» We got one, but they're hard to come by. >> Jessica, do you have a handy wording for
us? >> Uh, yes. And I will note that the
clerk's department did reach out to Duffren County, uh, the manager of waste
services for an opinion, but we did not hear back.
» We'll chase them down for you. Uh that council for the town of Mono
supports and endorses the letter from the township of Tutor and Castle calling
on the Ministry of Environment, Conservation and Parks to undertake a
review of the current regulatory framework governing one pound single-use
propane cylinders. >> Thank you. Any opposition to that?
» That motion carries. >> You needed a secondary.
» Um I had one. >> We did. Yeah.
» Okay. >> Yeah, it's good. Um okay. Excuse me.
Yes, >> your worship. If I can uh if I can just
mention item 20 >> on schedule A. Is is council interested
in a uh proclamation to that effect coming back?
» Yeah, that was on my list. I hadn't been asked to use my list.
» My apologies. I didn't know you had a list.
» We thought she'd already spoken. >> No, on everybody else's, yes, but not on
mine. That introduction. >> So, yeah. So my my my big question
particularly because I brought forward the flag thing that everybody didn't
understand what I was bringing forward and just poo pooed the idea of uh
proclamations and how and how they give an opportunity for education and and
they um should be very diverse and and include all of things. I thought gez I
don't when was the last time I went to the dentist? if if somebody had told me
that there was a special day or whatever, I might I might have have gone
more frequently. So, I I kind of think that it might be it might be a good
idea. I was going to ask for if anybody else thought that.
» We'll proclaim a particular day. >> Sure.
» Why not? >> Tommy Tooth Day.
» Yeah. Right. Right. Right. I mean because because and you and we we just
but those are the kind when I was thinking about the ebikes and stuff and
the e- scooters like where before social media and before we were so divided in
where we would get the news. You just waited for the newspaper to arrive and
everybody read it and you like there was a there was a source where nowadays
there's so many things. What is the source that would be best to be able to
tell our our young people and because you learned in school and you learned
that I don't think they're learning now cuz there's so much other noise. Right.
» So proclamations that's right. Go forward.
» The bicycle safety with Elmer the elephant and
» Exactly. >> Yes. And Tommy the tooth guy and all of
that good stuff. >> Exactly. So do we need do do we
» I don't think we need emotion. I don't think we do.
» Direction of stuff. >> Direction of stuff.
» Cuz now it's my turn, right? So, I had a couple.
» So, the other one that I had was along the same kind of lines and it was number
um 22 about the um British home children.
And so, did you did everybody get an opport It was a very long list. Did
everybody get an opportunity to read this? because it's very interesting that
this um uh municipality is asking that um that
the the the federal government make an apology to for for previous wrongs. And
I and I you know I understand that and so on. But the interesting thing is that
when you dig into it, they already did and they did it way back in uh 2017. It
was acknowledged in the House of Commons and then in 2018 the parliament passed
that this September 28th was going to be pro proclaimed as BHC day. Um and then
20 and that was ahead of 2019 being the 150th anniversary of when they first
started shipping kids over here um in the in the face of that life would be
better but in actual fact as as labor, right? So I I was wondering if again
maybe um I don't know that we need to to ask the prime minister to do anything.
Stuff's already been done. So I didn't think that we need to necessarily
endorse their thing. But again an opportunity that this is another
community. I was a little surprised that they still say when they're modeling the
numbers that one in 10 of us has a relative that this affected,
» which is wow. Um, so I I was going to ask if we could proclaim September 28th
um British Home Children's Day to in recognition of this.
» Oh, well yeah. So that's the broad my
broader question then is to the new clerk like how does all of this
proclamation stuff happen and where do we you know where do we really make a a
real um complete schedule for our year of of really acknowledging things?
That's what I that's what I'd like. So just for for Jessica's information
whether she caught it on the DEI agenda, Council Cape's about two weeks ahead of
you, I think, on uh or a month ahead of you cuz the DEI committee is looking at
our proclamations right now and making sure that we're inclusive and and we
have an appropriate amount. I have ident identified to the uh committee though
that you know council can't be reading 17 proclamations per meeting. Um but a
monthly uh a monthly uh input is not uh unreasonable at all. and and I think uh
once the DEI committee is done with their review um councelor Capes actually
is working with one of the members on the committee not working with but
discussing with and uh and I think uh I think it'll help uh it's a it's a nice
list already. It is a good list and Fred could or Jessica could decide to bring
it back in its form now or council could wait for uh the DEI committee to have a
wait for the committee. Yeah, >> we can wait just as these things come up
and this was a particularly long schedule A, but as these things come up
on the on our uh radar, it's like, oh yeah, maybe that's maybe that's worth um
looking at too to be um >> and I think I'll recommend I'll
recommend to the DEI committee that maybe we set up a maximum. You know,
eventually something has to give. You can't keep adding can't keep adding.
So eventually we'll have to give, right? So what's the rotationary uh process?
» Okay. Well, but this is an interesting thing, too. So, in the in the 4-year
term, you have four September 28s come up. Like, does every September 28 like
do do you have to keep declaring it all of the time or is it acknowledgement
already to be declaring it? So, because I do think then this is this was my
point about the flags. If you really do embrace everybody for everything, then
there's more than 365 days in the year. >> Right.
» Right. And I believe we declare National Public Works Week and we have a few we
have a few few of them that are repetitive on an annual basis.
» Um all of them are >> they're all annual.
» They're all annual. >> So maybe they don't need to be annual to
have given some to to given >> to have given a entity or a group or or
you know community whatever to to have been given them respect doesn't
necessarily mean it has to be repetitive. I think
» um Elaine. >> So we'll take that back to the committee
as well, but but Duffren County has a good proclamation process because I've
used it to ask them to give proclamations for things and then they
issue a certificate and then those certificates I used to
post on a specific website to recognize the proclamations that were done. Uhoh,
there's a rolling eyes over there. I'm so sorry. More work for staff.
» No, it's just a button. >> But but it's something that we could put
up on our website on our through our social media.
It's just a picture of that proclamation about that day. It doesn't have to
involve a huge thing, but they're easy enough to read at a council meeting.
Anyway, we can talk about all of that stuff in the DEI meeting. I think you
might have some support if we included a deputy clerk's day.
» On that happy note, anything else, Melinda?
» Oh, that's good. >> Uh, no, that was it on my list. Thanks.
» Okay, and that takes us to reports of council and staff. Less, anything for
us? Thank you, Matt. Anything for us? >> Don't we have to pass?
» We passed it. Let's get schedule A. Uh, >> okay.
» Yeah. Did we pass schedule A or did we pass?
» The vote has not been dealt with. >> My apologies. Uh, there is a motion on
the floor. All in favor of schedule A carried.
Uh, back to uh staff and mindful that staff at any time can
reach out to us by way of email to give us uh updates and reports. So, it
doesn't have to wait until a verbal report.
Uh Kimberly. >> Okay. Jessica,
» nothing to report. >> Oh gosh. Uh Fred,
» I have nothing. Your worship. >> Michael, nothing. Sorry, I've been uh
might be a little bit ahead of you with the clerk uh discussions I've had with
the clerk with respect to the verbal reports and uh and I really want uh
transparency and if it's not on the agenda, the verbal report becomes a
non-transparent item. Uh so I want staff to reach out to you by emails. Um I
think it's important and if you see it of a significant uh item that should be
on the agenda, it should come on as a memo at least on schedule A. Um, I want
to work continue to work through the transparency side of things and verbal
verbal surprise reports are unfortunately not transparent.
» That's a good point. >> Okay. So, no more reports.
» I'm a bit confused. Mike, what is a verbal
report? Is that what we're doing? >> Microphone.
» Yeah. So, so as we work through the process, we'll get through it. It
doesn't stop council for talking about their day-to-day because the public
really needs to hear that. But councelor or deputy Nicks does submit minutes for
his uh and overview documents that go into schedule A. Um what I'm saying is
if if staff is to talk about a grant that we received it was or or an item
say wastewater treatment for example with Matt uh wouldn't be it's not uh
nobody nobody knows it's going to be there and if residents are following for
wastewater treatment plan updates uh they're going to miss Matt's uh
discussion and uh Matt can provide uh updates uh via email uh I can provide
updates via email and uh and we'll work through it. If something's of major
significance, council will hear about it and if it's time sensitive. Um but by
not putting items on the agenda, it just it just it knocks down the transparency
of what we're trying to approve here and and the clerk and I will work with the
procedural bylaw as we as we move through things.
» I love it. Uh but I I love it. But it but just the logistically
if you the email thing is tricky, right? Because you said so if you so if
something comes up for a staff member what you're suggesting
and they feel that the council needs to know they would send an email to us and
then if we thought it was something that needed discussion because we can't have
a discussion as a group on email because that's not transparent. Then there would
be a request to put it on. That sounds a little cumbersome. Why don't we just
make reports B? Everybody has to submit something.
» Good point. I think that staff is uh is uh staff should keep council informed of
uh of the daily of the year how they are working through the things. Uh um should
give periodic updates to council where they are in their capital and stuff. Um
but if there's a if there is an information item, I believe it should
come in a short memo. Um and uh and and and and
what I'm saying is I'm not limiting council's option to say, "Hey, I think
we should be talking about that item and would you mind?" And then staff can put
together a short meal >> and and a staff email can also become
part of schedule A as well. >> Um
» and then it gives us a chance and it gives the public a chance to raise it.
» Yeah. Just it just keeps more control on what the public is being told. It allows
the public to see what is being discussed. Um, and uh, and it's easier
to to be more transparent that way. So, because I had the pleasure of
accessing citywide to get my fire permit,
um I would be interested in knowing how many
transactions come through citywide from the public.
I would be interested in knowing what they are because they are because the
complaints come through citywide too if I'm not mistaken because I had the
pleasure of filling out five of those. And so um I would be interested in
seeing reporting coming out of those tools because we now have those tools
and I think this was mentioned in our service delivery report done a little
while ago. I would also like to see uh reports on outstanding um property
uh untidiness. And invon they have a beautiful sign
that's huge and says it's your responsibility to keep your property
tidy. I wanted to take a picture of it and bring it here because I was like oh
yeah that's a good picture. Anyway, no more signs. No more signs. Um but anyway
that kind of reporting I think gives another level of transparency for people
to know exactly how much work is going on like you know how many requests
through citywide are coming through that have to be managed how many customer
client resident issues are being um forwarded to staff and dealt with just
anyway I'll leave that for another day but that's my thought council capes
Just a couple com um comments. Um we're we're definitely in the input data phase
of city citywide right now trying to get all staff and all departments uh to
utilizing it. The property standards though is done through an annual uh or
by by semianual periodic uh report in camera uh to council with respect to uh
open and close and uh and a detailed report is is given uh with respect to
the number of complaints I believe in open transparent council.
» Yeah. Um, so the individual addresses though is done obviously in closed
session, but uh you'll you'll recall that when I sat as director of public
works, there were some pie charts in one of my water uh when I was uh trying to
establish the hiring of new employees. uh we were in the very infancy of trying
to utilize citywide and and uh public works is definitely the furthest along
uh in in uh in conjunction with bylaw and uh and uh Cheyenne and and with
respect to fire permits and everything. Um so those are our biggest data and
recreation's in its uh in its early stages of uh of starting to uh input all
the records. Uh, so it's definitely something that the goal, the end goal
would be to create these pie charts for council to see how many complaints, how
many are closed, how quickly they were closed or outstanding ones that are
subject to budgetary or capital uh capital requests from council. Um, but
yeah, it's definitely the intent and and I think we may be a little premature
right now with our data entry point of view. Um, but I can definitely speak to
the directors on how comfortable they feel about kicking out something like
that for perhaps budget session discussions.
» That is great. Thank you very much. Appreciate that, staff.
» Okay. Uh, that comes to our turn. Melinda, anything to report?
» Well, it's been summer holidays and so there haven't been as many I haven't
been to a fireboard meeting of either of the fire boards. I haven't been to.
Tomorrow, tomorrow evening, we do have a um a board meeting at the um Center
Duffren Recreation Center and there's um our complex and there's there's
interesting stuff on the agenda. So, no dull moments, but we haven't had the
meeting yet, so I can't tell you about it. And Rack, we haven't had a meeting
or an event, though. I did see that RACK has um the advertisements are going out
if you want to be if you want to have a table at our um Christmas show um the
RNR in November. But yeah, I don't have I haven't been uh haven't been at any
meetings, but I'm sure they're going to pick up now.
» Well, uh thank you. >> Uh two things. I appreciate um Mike. I
think he was sticking his finger in my ribs a little bit there. Uh on but and I
do appreciate that uh MPG uh could do with putting out an annual report which
was sort of summarized everything. I did that at the beginning, but most recently
I've just been talking every 2 months or so about what's going on. And uh there
are lots of things going on in the 10 years. In fact, at this moment, there's
a volunteer appreciation uh day happening at uh the Jack and Gail uh
Barrett's place. Um so I I'll I'll do a report. I think you're after me.
Yeah. Unconsciously maybe. Uh >> guilty. I think the uh just a reminder
that the uh this uh climate action committee's uh green festival will be
coming up in October. It's on a Sunday, October the um 18th I think it is. Um
and uh the planning for that going along very well. You'll start to see some uh
uh posters and various information out there as we're going to do our best to
make it well known to the community. >> Thank you. Um,
Elaine. >> Well, as Melinda said, it's summer
vacation, so and and we don't always meet every month. We meet when there's
business to do for the the fire department, etc. But I did have a pen
hack meeting to review the um regulation on large homes, and uh that went very
well. We're waiting to set another date because we didn't come to the conclusion
of what we wanted to present to council. So, I believe that uh Simey's working on
getting us together again soon, hopefully before the end of this term,
so we can bring something forward. So,
and >> and I would hope that that any
recommendation that would uh create a change in our zoning or or official plan
uh is not going to be held up on things like this because of what's happening or
not happening at the county. I think we have to we have to go ahead and and uh
even if it's uh perceived to be peacemeal, there are some big issues out
there that need to be addressed in terms of planning,
» right? And hopefully that'll touch on the rural lighting.
» That picture you sent out, I I I I thought uh ET was going to step out of
the uh of the blinding light, >> right? It looks like a nuclear power
power plant. There's a few of those >> or a grow up without the curtain.
» The grow up. Yeah. the the idea of have that that a municipality can be dark sky
designated. Have we ever looked into that for for mono? I tried to watch the
pursade shower that was supposed to be the the best and whatever and I'm
sitting there like is that one I can't tell. Is that a start? Right.
» So it is in our site plan control uh zero la line cutoff with respect to dark
sight compliance. Um so we do have our uh we do have our commercial establish
and industrial institutional established under that right. Um it was mentioned in
the largescale homes uh uh report that was provided to uh to council that there
was a mechanism that may um but it was is it's uh it's it's very staff
cumbersome uh to um you know a lot of these are constant uh constant uh uh you
need reviews and peer reviews and and uh and a lot of it is staff cumbersome. So
it was one of the mechanisms the committee panak is is is landing on a
couple of options and one of them does include a more comprehensive review of
building permits um which may capture uh what councelor capes has has identified
um but with with respect to so that's where
we are and and I think we we push dark sky compliance but we don't control uh
we don't control individual rural residents in their in their lighting uh
right now unless it has a uh property st property standards problem community
standards unless it has a community standards issue which council will
remember they adjudicated a uh yes >> a in in chambers uh uh one from
fieldstone uh from fieldstone um so with respect to the zoning b I've gone
through the outstanding items on our unfinished business list with our
consultant planner Uh Deborah's preparing a response with respect to uh
uh the zoning bylaw housekeeping that we can pick off and that that won't be
upheld or uh that won't be held up at all by the uh um OP at the county.
» Great. Great. >> And and we do have this philosophy of a
dark sky. >> It's always been accepted that that's
what Mono has. However, and the astrological society of Duffren used to
come and use the Lloyd Armstrong Park and that area for night sky viewing.
Can't do it anymore cuz we don't have a dark sky.
» Well, that's right. Because there is some there is some specific, as you say,
cumbersome, but a specific designation which we don't which we don't have.
» Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. We we've uh talked about uh dark
sky um and indeed a a Milky Way bylaw it was called by Keith Mcnley back in the
early 90s and I was a big advocate of it and I was a member of the uh uh dark the
international dark sky society. It was an outfit out of the states but uh that
didn't result in a bylaw but it did result in changes to uh what we require
for commercial and industrial properties. which is a good start. But
now that LED it's, oh, they're cheap, they last forever, I don't have to
change them. People put them up, they think their house looks great. They
don't appreciate that they are like education, right? They don't appreciate
that that they're blinding the people in their kitchen next door.
» Indeed. Anything else?
» No, that's it for me. Thank you. >> Okay, Fred, just just one item. In the
past, I've had people phone me and say, "Does the town of Mono have some bylaw?
I've got a neighbor with a tree with a branch hanging over my property. Can the
town do anything about it?" And I've tended to answer, "Gee, I don't think we
have a bylaw that controls that." But in in those two cases that I remember in
the last 16 years, it's all worked out okay cuz we've gone to the property
owner with a tree either dead or with a branch and they they've handled the
problem. So, no problem. What I have now on my desk is an intractical problem and
I'm would ask staff or council if you can help me with it. I sure would
appreciate it. Without naming names or addresses, I did a site visit last week.
There's a house, small house like this. The neighbor's property is right here.
The property line is, you know, within 5 ft of the house. How it got approved, I
don't know. And in the neighbor's property are two large dead, very large
dead trees. I suspect they're ash trees. the owner with the small house has asked
the neighbor to do something about those dead trees and the own first of all the
owner had said he doesn't have the money. I don't know where that
discussion's gone and I've not talked to the owner of the property with the large
dead trees, but when I did the site visit last week, I am totally dismayed.
There there is no way those trees are in such a geographically difficult place.
Steep bank, river, dense uh vegetation coverage, other tree coverage, there's
no way a Sawyer can get in there or a truck with a bucket.
I am going to have well but but to back up
» and this is where I >> excuse me deputy mayor I'm trying to
find where this fits in the council agenda
» this is a private matter >> it's not private
» about two individuals >> it's not private
» maybe Jessica would have some comments on that
» clerk's department for guidance on this is that the property standards bylaw
does in fact make the owner of the property with the dead trees responsible
for doing something about it. I I I would ask for guidance on that because
I've told this person, yes, we do have a bylaw that that is it is is is comes
into effect in this situation. >> Jessica,
» if we could suggest to have the resident reach out to staff, we would be more
than happy to discuss this with them offline.
» Yeah. Well, but could we in the first instance
determ I right in telling the owner that we do have a bylaw that comes into
you've already you've already had email conversations with Jessica Fred and I on
this matter and I would respect that you have the staff reach out to us
explain an interpretation of the property standards. Well, that that may
you may well do that and I will take your advice and do that. But my opinion,
which I would like to put put in the public domain, is I don't know how the
heck anybody can go in there and do something about these trees. So, what do
we do? These trees are threatening the small house.
» We need we need to encourage the the property owners to reach out to staff.
Um the the issue of dead trees is frankly a slippery slope in terms of uh
of um having having uh having them removed from properties, especially the
ash trees that are dead all over the town. So I think we have to tread
carefully. >> I just like to point out I this is not a
private matter between me and an individual. This is a public matter.
» No, but I think it's a civil matter between the two people that are not in
the room and that you're discussing right now. It's a civil matter between
them and it possibly will become a civil matter insurance,
» right? Like it's it's it's not a solution for the town to right now. Um
but it is something that the homeowner should speak to staff about.
» You shouldn't be solving that problem. >> No, can I can I
» let's let's uh let's uh cool down here. Uh
» so so that so okay. So just as a removing removing not discussing it any
further that that is an example of why why the uh our CEO has commented that um
written reports so that they go on the agenda is an important thing. That's the
one issue. Then the other issue is what Elaine has just said that that our job
is not to to um to just pick out one individual's problems and and um heir
them in the p in the public. So I wonder should we actually if you're going to
now um encourage mandate what's the right word have staff give a report that
then goes on to uh our agenda then and we've been appreciating the reports that
we've been getting all along for this term from the deputy on the CBC when you
get the mayor the thing though it's only ever um addressed to gentlemen um which
is a joke um and when we had a one from the monopo a pollinator garden. It was
good. How about if we like do that now? Have if there's something that's on your
mind to bring up, we put it in writing before the meeting and then it can get
vetted by by um the clerk whether it's appropriate to go on the agenda or not
and then we can have a have a a conversation. The the difference between
staff committing uh their reports to writing and counselors committing their
reports to writing is the uh temptation of a back and forth between members of
council that then got it gets construed as a a a meeting outside the council
chamber. I think we still need to have oral reports,
» but that doesn't that doesn't and I think I think the CEO's comments were
restricted to how staff communicates with us, not how we communicate with
each other. >> Okay. Yes, I exactly what you said. I
agree with it, but that's not what I was saying. They the point
» Sorry, our clerk has her hand up. >> You do.
I was just going to note that this would be a good conversation during the
procedural bylaw review. >> Yes,
» good idea. >> Good idea. Except in the So, in the
meantime, the but but the whole point of the that you bring up something randomly
on on a on in a in a in an oral report, then it's not written and then not all
of our residents watch to the very end of our meeting to hear our reports.
Right? That was where I wasn't saying that we should have a discussion in
writing, but that if it's in writing, it then is in writing.
» Yeah. >> But sure proced by something really
exciting at the end of our meeting so that they stay at the end.
» Stay in. Yeah. I don't know that we can control random
» to my report. Random. Uh I attended AMO. I was not successful in getting elected
to the board. I lost by just a few votes. Um there were six people running
for four positions. Uh surprisingly low turnout, like really shockingly low
turnout for the board positions. Uh and uh the the board positions may reopen if
any of the four successful candidates are not reelected in October. So that
then creates another opportunity for people who just barely lost uh to uh sit
on the on the board. Um the it's hard to say a lot of really great
things about their format. Um there were some good sessions. Uh there were some
good sessions that unfortunately were talking heads and did not involve
participation of the audience which I thought was was regrettable. Um the
premier's major announcement actually had to do with the funding of of sports
um uh enterprises. Uh and I don't think that it it precludes uh funding of of
the kind of thing that we were talking about earlier. I could be wrong on that,
but um that literally was his major announcement.
» $500 million. >> Exactly. And uh so um it you know it was
worthwhile. Uh made some good contacts and it's my first AMO in uh two years
and that's all I have to report.
I >> ask a question.
» Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Do you think AMO's losing its steam?
» That's why I ran. I do. I do believe that. I I think they they have lost
their effectiveness as an advocate for the municipal sector.
» Right. I agree. >> So, uh
» lunch break. >> Okay. So, I think this would be a good
point to uh take our lunch uh returning at 1:00 sharp for our in camera. And
that's the the uh other than the confirming bylaw. That's the balance of
our meeting.
» So, we'll return at 1:00.
We are back live.
Yes, Andrew has uh expelled the individual from the uh meeting.
» Welcome, Jeff. >> Um, your worship, we should just wait
for Andrew to confirm that we're not streaming live. Okay.
We are back live. >> Yes. So, good afternoon again. Um, I
have a motion that we rise from an inc camera session uh at 7 minutes past 2:00
uh p.m. and direct town staff and the town solicitor to proceed accordingly.
Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by Deputy Mayor Nicks. Any opposition?
Seeing none, uh, notices of motion. Um, as, uh, indicated, I will be bringing a
notice of motion to, uh, uh, retain a, um, a voluntary historic properties of
interest database at the next meeting. Any other notices of motion?
» So, was that a notice of motion, your worship, or that's just you're telling
us you're going to bring a notice of motion?
» No, I'm going to bring a motion. >> Okay. So, that was the notice of motion
for consideration at the next meeting. Okay. Could Could I be so rude as to ask
you to repeat that? >> The actual
» I'm going to I'm going to bring a a motion. I'm giving notice now that I'm
going to bring a motion at the next council meeting to uh uh retain or
create a um voluntary historic properties of interest database.
Any other notices of motion? Uh, seeing none, I have a motion that we introduce
and give the necessary readings to a bylaw to confirm the proceedings of
council of the town of Monono in session 13-2026
held on uh, August 25th, 2026 that it be signed by the mayor and clerk sealed and
engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a mover for that? Councelor Magdalo uh,
councelor Capes. Any opposition? Seeing none, I have it's passed. I have a
motion the council adjourn this meeting at 9 minutes past 2 uh p.m. Um,
no I have I have a different wording here. It's a new it's a new wording.
Jessica, I'm confused before >> through you. Um, we just added the next
meeting date, the next regular council meeting for information.
» Okay. And I miss I misregulize it's regional. Um, so we're adjourning at uh
10 minutes past 2 to meet again for uh the regular council meeting on September
8th, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. uh or at the call of the mayor. And uh do I have a mover?
Councelor Capes, seconded by Councelor Davey. Uh no no opposition. The motion's
carried. Thank you very much everyone. >> Thank you.
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