[0:36] We are broadcasting live. Good morning
everyone. Uh this is the meeting of the
[0:42] town of Mono Council held on Tuesday,
August 25th, 2026. Uh this meeting is
[0:48] being conducted both in chambers and by
means of electronic participation as
[0:52] permitted by section 238 subsection 3.1
of the municipal act of 2001 as amended
[1:00] and the town of Mono procedural bylaw
2020-42.
[1:04] Uh residents can uh join us as the
meeting progresses or view uh offline uh
[1:11] later on uh on uh YouTube. We do have a
quorum here today. Uh a reminder that
[1:17] emergency exits are in the rear of the
council chamber. Uh members are free to
[1:22] declare pecuniary interest at this point
or any point in the course of the
[1:26] meeting. And I believe we have one
declaration
[1:30] uh which has been filed with the clerk
and I'll call on councelor Davyy to do
[1:34] the indigenous land acknowledgement.
>> Thank you, Mayor Kman. We would like to
[1:38] begin by respectfully acknowledging that
the town of Mono resides within the
[1:42] traditional territories and ancestral
lands of the Tonatante, the Adowandran,
[1:47] the Hudnosoni, and the Anesnabi peoples.
We also acknowledge that the town of
[1:51] Mono resides within the treaty lands
named under treaty 18, the Nadawasaga
[1:55] purchase of 1818. These traditional
territories upon which we live and learn
[2:00] are steeped in rich indigenous history
and traditions. It is with this
[2:04] statement that we declare to honor and
respect the past and present connection
[2:08] of indigenous peoples with this land,
its waterways and resources.
[2:14] » Thank you. I have a motion that council
approves the agenda of session 13-2026
[2:19] as circulated. Moved by councelor Cape,
seconded by deputy mayor Nicks. Any
[2:24] objections to this motion passing? Uh it
therefore passes.
[2:30] I have a motion that council approves
the minutes of session 12 2026 as
[2:34] circulated. Moved by councelor Davyy,
seconded by councelor Magalo. Uh any
[2:40] issues?
Seeing none, motion passes.
[2:47] Um,
we have a uh a motion that the minutes
[2:51] of council session 9, 2026 held on May
12th, 2026
[2:57] uh as approved by resolution uh
2-10-2026
[3:02] be amended by replacing the word
anti-racism with anti-semitism in
[3:08] section 3 subsection pardon me in
section 3 subsection 3. Um and there is
[3:15] a recollection of the uh of that issue.
Uh moved by uh deputy mayor, seconded by
[3:20] councelor Davey. Any further discussion?
That motion carries.
[3:27] We have no proclamations today. That
brings us to public question period of
[3:32] Fred or Jessica. Any any submissions
online?
[3:36] » There were no submissions uh submitted
in advance of the meeting. Your worship.
[3:40] » Thank you. Uh, we don't have anyone in
the gallery today. Is there anyone
[3:44] online who has a question for us?
[3:54] Doesn't appear to be.
[3:58] I'm wondering if we are in a position to
proceed with our uh delegation from
[4:04] Headarters Healthc Care uh center. I
know it's a little early for that, but
[4:09] uh is is it the wish of council to uh to
proceed?
[4:14] » Uh good good morning uh Kim and Francis.
Um just a a gentle reminder that we have
[4:20] all read your presentation
uh and it is available to uh our
[4:25] residents online to read. So if you can
uh paraphrase the uh the high notes that
[4:30] for our benefit that would be terrific.
It will allow for more interaction with
[4:34] council.
The floor is yours.
[4:39] » Good morning, Mayor Creelman and
council. Thank you very much for having
[4:42] us this morning and I would be more than
happy to uh paraphrase and touch on just
[4:47] the key takeaways. So, I won't bother
sharing uh my slides even because you've
[4:52] all seen them. But, uh I did want to
highlight just on some of the successes
[4:56] from the past fiscal year and then I'll
focus just for a couple minutes on key
[5:00] takeaways on what we're focusing on this
fiscal year. There was a slide included
[5:05] a by the numbers year-over-year slide
just to share some of the trending
[5:10] year-over-year with the volumes we're
seeing at headarters. I think just to
[5:14] highlight is that you know our ED
volumes have remained pretty consistent
[5:19] year-over-year. Uh but where we are
seeing some real growth and which
[5:24] continues is in our obstetrical
department. So the number of babies that
[5:28] continue to be delivered at headarters
is increasing year-over-year. That trend
[5:32] is continuing to increase. We have had
many months now with over a hundred
[5:36] babies delivered per month. So that's
very exciting for us. Uh our chemo
[5:41] program, we are expanding our oncology
program. We're also going to be seeing
[5:46] increases in our diagnostic imaging
numbers now that our MRI hours and
[5:51] numbers are ramping up rapidly. Our lab
test saw a big increase. Uh in addition,
[5:57] we're focusing on increasing our
outpatient visits. So I think um one of
[6:01] the takeaways is last year and
continuing to this fiscal is we're
[6:04] continuing to look at what services uh
we can expand where the pressures are
[6:09] where the demand is uh and to always
look at what are the population
[6:13] projections who's moving into our area
so that we can continue to offer uh
[6:18] programs and services that are needed
most. Uh the other highlight just from
[6:22] the last fiscal year obviously our MRI
going live but I also wanted to focus on
[6:26] some of the plant uh upgrades we've done
at the hospital to reduce our emissions
[6:32] to improve our efficiency to reduce our
natural gas use because I am very proud
[6:37] to share and you saw that that
headarters we received the biggest
[6:40] rebate check um in the province actually
from uh Enbridge Gas Energy last year.
[6:46] So really proud of that. We've got new
boilers, all new equipment up in our um
[6:52] top rooftop facility area. So, really
pleased with that. So, I'm now I'm going
[6:57] to focus on this current fiscal year. Uh
we are focusing on our ED, our emergency
[7:03] department expansion. So, as you know,
we'll be celebrating our 30th
[7:07] anniversary being in this location next
year. So, our ED department is a 30 30
[7:12] plus year old design. uh the volumes we
are seeing are significantly more than
[7:17] what the space was intended to serve. So
we're working through that process with
[7:22] the ministry. So that expansion is
underway. Uh excited about that. Uh
[7:27] happy to share that our um foundation
completed their biggest ever campaign of
[7:33] $18 million and they'll soon be
launching their new campaign to support
[7:37] our emergency department expansion. So
you'll hear more about that which is
[7:41] very exciting. And then of course we
continue to focus on reducing our weight
[7:45] times uh in our emergency department and
in other areas such as surgical weight
[7:50] times and for any other programs and
services. We are looking at and
[7:54] embracing more and more artificial
intelligence in the hospital through
[7:58] various programs uh and features in our
current health information system. We're
[8:03] very proud to be continuing on with the
Toronto Metropolitan University School
[8:07] of Medicine taking on more uh residents
and students and increasing all of our
[8:12] other academic partnerships. And then
lastly, I'll just end on a focus that is
[8:17] always at headarters and that is how can
we continue to best support our staff,
[8:21] our physicians, our volunteers, our, you
know, internal culture, our workforce
[8:27] sustainability uh is something that is
always top of mind here so that we can
[8:32] ensure that our staff are here ready to
support anyone that walks through our
[8:35] doors and that we have a very positive
and healthy and safe uh workplace here
[8:40] at Headarters. With that, I'm I'll pause
and I'm more than happy to take any
[8:44] questions.
>> Yes. Um Ralph,
[8:49] » um thanks very much uh uh Kim and
Francis for coming here um and putting
[8:55] yourself in the position of being asked
difficult questions by our deputy mayor.
[9:00] Uh the I'd like to just comment very
favorably on what's going on there. I
[9:05] think that um uh the reputation of the
hospital for strong governance and uh
[9:11] great service is uh is communitywide and
um um I congratulate you for your part
[9:16] in in that. I also congratulate you for
looking ahead and as you have been doing
[9:22] regularly and about making new plans. So
I have three questions related to the uh
[9:27] some things that are relatively new.
What is the present emergency uh
[9:32] department wait time? Number two, um
could you fill us in a little bit more
[9:36] on where we are with the community
health hub? And the third one is about
[9:41] medical students and TMU, which we can
Thank you.
[9:47] Thank you, counselor. Yes, happy to
answer those questions. So, the first
[9:51] one uh about the current ED weight time.
I don't have the ED weight time clock
[9:55] up, but uh I will share. So last year
the provincial
[10:00] uh target for time to see a position in
emergency departments across the
[10:05] province was less than four hours. So
last year we achieved uh 3.9 hours was
[10:11] our performance. So really happy with
that. This year the province um has
[10:16] reduced that target to be less than 3.4
hours in every single emergency
[10:21] department. So we are working obviously
very hard to achieve and beat that
[10:26] target of 3.4 hours to see a physician
in our merge. So we see stats on a daily
[10:33] basis. Each day I get a a dashboard
which looks at for the previous day what
[10:37] was the average weight time. It
fluctuates. We've had days where it's
[10:41] been as low as 2.5 hours. Uh and of
course unfortunately there are some days
[10:45] where it is over the four hours. So it
varies but we are working towards
[10:50] performance of less than 3.4 hours which
is a current provincial target and we're
[10:55] making investments to support that. So
we do currently have three physician
[10:58] assistants uh in emergency department
that help with the workflow. We've also
[11:03] implemented a new um rapid triage
function uh in emergency department that
[11:08] is supported actually by one of the ED
positions themselves. Uh so we're trying
[11:13] different innovative things. We have a
new it's called the hero AI dashboard in
[11:18] emergency department. So that's inward
facing where our physicians and nurses
[11:23] there can can rapidly see how many
patients are in the department. Which
[11:28] area are they in? Have they been
triaged? Are they waiting to see the
[11:31] doctor? Are they waiting for a DI scan?
Are they waiting for a lab test? So
[11:35] we're we're also looking at uh other
supports to improve the flow in our ED.
[11:41] Uh second question you had was about the
community health hub. Uh so that work I
[11:47] know is underway uh in partnership with
all of our Ontario health team or OHT
[11:52] partners. So I know they're busy looking
at uh how to get that stood up and how
[11:57] to increase the volumes there.
Unfortunately I don't have any specifics
[12:00] about that councelor Magdalo. So I'd
have to follow up on that. Uh all I do
[12:05] know is that our OT partners um continue
to meet and support um the
[12:11] implementation of that and increasing of
volumes. And then I know your third one
[12:15] uh was around uh medical students and
our partnership with the Toronto
[12:20] Metropolitan University School of
Medicine. So we continue to take on more
[12:25] students. This is our second full year
of taking on residents uh with that
[12:29] partnership and I know um they're very
keen for all hospital partners to
[12:34] increase numbers uh and departments that
residents come into. So I know our
[12:39] medical team has looked at that. We've
increased the areas where they'll be
[12:43] coming in and so we continue to support
them and to date I've only had very
[12:48] positive feedback uh about the students
coming in. I've met a few of the
[12:52] residents on the floors who uh at least
to my face are very very positive about
[12:57] their experience at Headwaters and I
give signs of because I always ask them
[13:01] will you come back and work here and uh
I've always heard yes absolutely it's a
[13:05] wonderful community hospital
thank you um it's um uh the latter is
[13:12] very important I think to the
development of um of the community in
[13:17] the hospital uh having students and
being a part of the teaching process
[13:20] This is something that I've had a lot of
experience with and I think it brings um
[13:24] brings your hospital's u service
function up to a a higher level. So
[13:29] congratulations on that and I encourage
you to uh continue to pursue it. I
[13:34] realize that you're just a partner with
the community hub but I thought we
[13:37] haven't heard you heard much about this
and I think it's a bit of a gray area in
[13:41] in my mind. So maybe we'll get somebody
from there to talk to us about it
[13:45] sometime in the future. Thank you.
>> Any other questions?
[13:50] I I will go ahead.
>> Yeah, I I I'm not going to ask any
[13:54] questions this year, but I I just wanted
to say I think it was a great report and
[13:57] and congratulations on the work you're
doing. You you know, I have a a
[14:01] long-standing concern about the amount
of money you're going to have to raise
[14:04] over the future from local sources and
I'm concerned about when you will appear
[14:09] before a county council probably asking
for money, but we'll we'll leave that
[14:13] subject alone for today. Thank Thank you
very much.
[14:17] » Thank you, Deputy Mayor. next and you'll
hear from us next year at council.
[14:23] » Thank you very much for the report. I
look forward um each year when you come.
[14:28] Uh I guess the bottom line for me it is
uh physician recruitment. Hey the I mean
[14:33] you're you're developing new facilities
and you're raising money and you're
[14:37] seeing more people and people are people
are clearly moving into the area which
[14:41] we already knew but they're they're
having babies now that they're here. I
[14:44] mean all these things are positive but
that is uh that is a very low bar if um
[14:49] we want if a good day is 2 and 1/2 hours
to see a doctor in in the in the ED. Um
[14:56] but I appreciate that with respect to
the province who controls health not the
[15:00] municipal government has given you a bar
and you are below it you know that is
[15:04] that is terrific but but as uh as just
Canadians in general physician
[15:10] recruitment is what we really need to
do. So, I was wondering how is that
[15:13] going on for you?
>> Yes, thank you very much for the
[15:18] question, Councelor Davey. It's it's um
uh I would say probably one of our uh
[15:26] biggest current challenges position
recruitment uh and retention for uh for
[15:32] a few reasons with headwaters. Uh so,
but it is something that we are very
[15:36] focused on. Uh I'll speak to uh
certainly one of the gaps that we
[15:40] currently have and we have been
recruiting for this for over a couple
[15:44] years now. So our one ear nose and
throat surgeon uh has essentially
[15:49] retired uh does not do surgeries anymore
or call and uh it's been over two years
[15:55] we've been desperately trying to find a
new ENT. That was the dip in our uh
[15:59] surgical volumes if you notice them on
the year-over-year trending uh because
[16:03] we have not been able to do any
tonslectomies here for the last couple
[16:06] years. So uh it is a very competitive
market. The number of uh graduates
[16:13] certainly in some of the specialty areas
is low uh lower than I think what is
[16:18] needed uh in the province. I think there
is an opportunity certainly for the
[16:23] ministries to come together and that's a
whole other conversation we could have
[16:26] about uh the ministries the province
really working together and planning
[16:31] ahead in regard to uh where is the
population growth geriatrics uh younger
[16:38] younger families babies and what types
of specialties do we need uh to serve
[16:43] the province but it's one that uh
unfortunately we have not been
[16:47] successful in we are uh I'm going to use
the term wooing uh a newer um ENT grad
[16:54] from out of province. So we we go to
great lengths. We look obviously beyond
[16:59] our province. We look you know across
North America to be honest even I should
[17:03] say even in Europe we've got lots of
different kind of tentacles reaching out
[17:07] trying to look at how we can recruit
positions. So we're very busy in that
[17:11] area but it is position recruitment
overall is challenging. I'm going to
[17:15] speak to just another area and it is our
ED. Um and again some of the factors are
[17:21] out of the control of our hospital. Um
some of the outside factors that impact
[17:26] us are due to the physician services
agreement which is negotiated by the
[17:31] Ontario medical associ association the
OM and the ministry of health directly
[17:35] and just to give you an example and I
think it's just important for kind of
[17:38] education and for council to be aware of
it's something I've spoken to Sylvia
[17:43] about and our board and myself and other
hospitals speak about this often. It's,
[17:47] you know, we're a mediumsized community
hospital surrounded by larger centers.
[17:52] So, we've got South Lake to the east,
we've got William Oller, Trillium,
[17:57] Halton Healthcare to the south, we've
got G to the west, and to the north to
[18:01] the north of Stevenson. So, similar uh
and then bigger ones like Royal Victoria
[18:05] Hospital. But, um there are the new
agreement has high volume incentives for
[18:11] the larger ED departments. Uh so the
more patients they see uh which is a
[18:17] pure incentive for physicians to see
physician or patients faster and to see
[18:21] a greater number there's a volume
incentive they receive a higher payment.
[18:24] Uh then at the same time the province um
really incentivized small and rural
[18:30] emergency departments that were really
struggling with uh being able to recruit
[18:35] physicians. You've probably heard a
number of them had ED closures uh which
[18:38] is not good for those communities. So
there's uh large incentives for
[18:43] physicians, ED physicians to go work in
the small rural areas. So unfortunately,
[18:47] what's in the middle are medium-sized
hospitals such as ourselves who are now
[18:51] competing with, in our case, the larger
hospitals where docs now want to pick up
[18:56] shifts because they have volume
incentives. Uh they can make a
[18:59] significant greater amount of money. At
Headquarters, we have what's called an
[19:04] emergency department alternate funding
agreement where there's a guaranteed
[19:08] amount that our physicians make because
we don't have the high volumes. Um, and
[19:13] but we don't have those incentives that
the other hospitals have. So to come and
[19:16] pick up a shift in our ED is becoming
less and less appealing. So again, we
[19:23] have structured our funding, the
physicians have, it's, you know, the
[19:26] funding agreement is with them directly.
The funding flows to them. they've
[19:30] structured it to try to incentivize uh
but I know that it's becoming harder and
[19:35] harder each day as we compete with these
other centers that have different
[19:39] incentives. So, it's something that the
medium-siz hospital network does
[19:43] advocate to the ministry to the OMA
about. Our physicians directly go to the
[19:48] OMA and then as a hospital we are
continually speaking with our physicians
[19:53] also looking at how can we best support
you? What can we do? Um one of the
[19:58] examples I shared earlier was that um we
you know we've supplied three physician
[20:04] assistants now so around the clock in RD
to again help them with their workflow
[20:09] take off some of the administrative
burden so that we can allow them to see
[20:12] patients faster. So it's a great
question. Uh there are some challenges
[20:20] with physician recruitment. Uh, you
know, another one is our geography
[20:25] where, you know, within an hour of the
GTA,
[20:28] um, which is a blessing and a bit of a
curse. There are less and less
[20:33] physicians that want to make the 1 hour
drive north.
[20:37] » Well, yeah, cuz it's an hour and a half
now, right? That's that's the problem.
[20:41] » And as you know, our real estate is is I
mean, it's beautiful up here, right? It
[20:46] is beautiful up here, but that makes the
real estate market also uh it's not
[20:51] cheap to live up here,
>> right? All right. Thank you very much
[20:54] for that answer.
>> Thank you. And if there's anything we
[20:56] can do um to advocate on your behalf, I
think that let us know and let let
[21:02] county council know as well. uh because
it's sort of unfortunate that you fall
[21:06] in the middle of two sizes of hospital
that that get uh uh dare I say
[21:13] preferential uh treatment or at least uh
uh they they have incentives that we we
[21:18] don't have because we fall in the
middle. I have one uh one question for
[21:23] you and it's the one I ask every every
time and that is what is the proportion
[21:26] of uh of Duffren uh to uh to peel uh
patients. Is it still running around
[21:32] 25%? Has it changed in the last year?
>> I I think it's uh great question. Thank
[21:38] you, mayor, for that. It's I think
closer to 7030, maybe even tipping the
[21:43] 30 plus percentage now.
>> Oh,
[21:45] » that come to us from PEL and you know,
Kaledan in particular, but I'll appeal.
[21:50] » Okay.
>> More and more are coming north.
[21:52] » That's that's very interesting.
>> Any uh any further questions or comments
[21:57] by council?
Well, Kim and Francis, thank you very
[22:01] much for your presentation. Oh. Uh,
Fred, no, I just Oh, you're waving.
[22:05] » Thank you very much for your
presentation and, uh, we've learned a
[22:09] lot from it and from, uh, the, uh, uh,
questions and answers that we've, we've
[22:14] had today and we wish you the best of
luck. Uh, I gather there is a new
[22:19] campaign launch on the horizon. I've
heard a little bit about it and I wish
[22:23] you the best of luck in in that exercise
as well.
[22:28] » Thank you very much, Mayor and Council.
Thank you for having us and I hope you
[22:31] enjoy the rest of rest of the summer.
>> Thanks Kim Francis. Nice to see you.
[22:36] » Byebye.
>> Thank you. The uh next items on the
[22:42] agenda, I think we should defer to their
um uh times uh namely the noise
[22:48] exemption bylaw applications at 10:00
a.m. and 10:15
[22:52] a.m. And with the indulgence of council,
I think we should proceed to uh uh the
[22:58] the next items on the agenda after that.
Um and then regroup at 10. Are we okay
[23:04] with that?
>> Okay. So, the next uh the next item on
[23:07] the agenda is councelor Cape's uh uh
motion with regard to a mono multi-ports
[23:14] community center and I'll turn it over
to councelor Capes.
[23:19] » Thank you, mayor. Uh so, I know you've
read the report
[23:25] and uh I know you're as excited as I am
to see this come to Mono. Um even people
[23:34] that I have talked to have still
continue to say they want something like
[23:39] this and so serendipitously we have been
um connected to a couple who wish to
[23:48] build this.
So I I don't need to add any more than
[23:53] what's there. We know that there's more
to do. Uh it has to come back it has to
[23:59] come to council through planning. So,
that's being worked out as we speak. I
[24:05] should let you know they have um
approval to build the roadway in. Uh is
[24:12] everybody familiar where this spot is?
>> Roughly. Yes.
[24:15] » Where is it?
>> Yeah. Describe it just for the benefit
[24:18] of anyone. Highway 89
before you there there's a side road
[24:24] before the roadway into well it's the
Mono Malmer town line before you get
[24:30] there where Mrs. Mitchell's is. So this
would be up the hill and behind that
[24:35] full throttle.
>> Okay.
[24:37] » And the the the entrance will be off the
side road at the top of the hill and
[24:43] that's where the parking will be. And as
far as I understand, of course, all of
[24:47] the engineering has to be worked out, is
it will be built into the side of the uh
[24:52] hill.
>> So, it looks like it's in MMO, but it's
[24:56] in Mono because the ino
>> the mmer Mono town line deviates off of
[25:02] Highway 89 there.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. And uh as I say,
[25:07] there there are planning
things that need to be worked out.
[25:12] they've spoken to the NVCA
and uh there's a lot of earth works that
[25:17] need to be done and as long as they're
compliant with uh NVC requirements and
[25:22] environmental studies and anything they
have to do that's all to be done. Um
[25:28] they also have to get um
[25:33] all of the right approvals from our
table from our planning and there's been
[25:39] preliminary
they've asked for guidance. I know that
[25:44] and there will be a zoning change
requirement because they own that house
[25:50] that's there now. It's um a log house
>> so they own that whole property. It's
[25:56] it's more than what you can just see cuz
it goes up as well.
[26:01] » Yeah.
>> So, just before I recognize Fred, to to
[26:04] be clear, what they are seeking is a
letter of support from us in pursuit of
[26:09] a provincial grant. Is that an accurate
way of
[26:12] » No, they're they're they're looking for
support from us. Just this as I attached
[26:18] a general letter saying we we support
the concept.
[26:22] » Mhm. Notwithstanding there's a whole lot
of work that needs to be done to make it
[26:28] work. Uh and so it's a feasibility in
that sense but it's what what is
[26:35] required to make it really viable and
make it happen. And so that means that
[26:41] the more they can get support
the more they can go out and seek
[26:46] funders.
>> Fred.
[26:49] » Yeah. I I want to ask a question which
maybe is going to sound a little
[26:53] negative, Elaine. I I think it's a
fantastic idea and I'm all for it, but I
[26:57] just understand it. When this complex is
built, it's privately owned. It's not
[27:03] it's not a public facility. They will be
charging fees for entrance. Will they be
[27:09] will they be a profit or nonprofit
organization? And just to finish the
[27:14] question, if they're going to build a
community center and it's privately
[27:17] owned
>> and it's not a community,
[27:19] » are they going to have it sort of as a
nonprofit instead of registered as a
[27:22] charity so that they can accept
donations and issue charitable receipts?
[27:26] I I know that sounds a bit negative, but
I just want to understand that this is a
[27:29] total private facility with fees being
charged with or without profit being
[27:36] made. Right.
>> Exactly. So, it's an owner built and
[27:41] operated facility. And of course,
they're looking for partnerships. And
[27:45] so, all of the details behind that still
need to be worked out in terms of when
[27:50] they
get the shovels in the ground and they
[27:55] start to build it. There's other
opportunities for them to partner with
[27:59] community to do community things there.
They they are doing this for community.
[28:04] It's a It's a multis-port
rec and community center.
[28:11] » I understand.
>> So, there will be all kinds of
[28:14] opportunities and we just don't have the
details for that yet.
[28:17] » If I could just follow
>> just one more and then I'll turn to
[28:19] other counselors.
>> I understand that, but it I just I
[28:21] wanted to ask my question because it it
influences my mind as to whether or not
[28:25] we should put public money into
something like this.
[28:28] » They're not asking for public money. I
know they're not, but but looking for
[28:31] partners down the road. And just so that
I know down the road the issue, it's
[28:35] it's a private enterprise.
>> Yep.
[28:39] » Melinda,
>> thank you very much, mayor. Thank you,
[28:41] Elaine, for for continuing to uh
champion this. I really think that this
[28:47] would be a large mistake for Mono to get
in bed with another private entity,
[28:54] whether it turns out to be nonprofit or
not. It is a it is a business. There's
[29:00] no difference from this and the and the
new person who came along and renovated
[29:05] uh a place that had a barn and is now
has an event center in their barn and
[29:10] and um it happens to be near my house.
Um and and so this is something that
[29:15] yes, it's community and yes, I don't
mean to I don't mean to stomp on people
[29:18] who want to go forward with things, but
it is it's not a community center unless
[29:23] it is is a municipal thing. And if we
and if we continue allow them to say a
[29:29] community center, then I think what's
down the road is, oh, but it's always
[29:31] been a community center and we can't
afford the new heat pumps. Why? Why
[29:35] can't you? And and I just I I just think
and then the concept looks terrific, but
[29:40] I don't see there's not even enough
parking. If you have people playing
[29:43] baseball, soccer, and pool at the same
time, where the heck are they going to
[29:46] park? And where's the actual community
um
[29:52] space within the little design? It's
it's lovely concept, but um we already
[29:58] have two fantastic community centers in
our town. Why would we support and we
[30:04] also get flack back from, you know,
should we really have these? Why would
[30:08] we get into a relationship with a with a
private entity? And I and I think we we
[30:14] got what's the expression? It's probably
rude. bitten bitten by the having put in
[30:20] our official plan some other entities in
past years that we really wanted to
[30:25] support. But as time goes on and things
change, perhaps you perhaps we want to
[30:31] change and yet we're then um hog tied.
That's also a rude expression, isn't it?
[30:36] Um by by our our decisions of of mixing
municipal with private corporation. So,
[30:44] » so at this point just to you know good
to put that forward. We are not mixing
[30:52] anything. We are giving them a letter of
support that says we support this
[30:58] concept so that they can go and get
funding. It's not that we're giving them
[31:03] funding, but we're not closing the door
because at some point in the future, we
[31:08] may want to sign along with them for
those grants again so that it can be
[31:16] built for the community to use. There's
a huge gap in that northern quadrant.
[31:22] And it's not only benefits Mono, it will
benefit people in Shelurn, it will
[31:27] benefit people in Meen, it will benefit
people in Malmer. and I intend to go and
[31:33] present to those councils as well. So,
so it's not that it's not a community
[31:39] center. It is a multi-port
facility and you can see as you said the
[31:45] dominant space is for sport. There's an
indoor pool and there's indoor
[31:51] basketball courts that can be used for
other things like pickle ball, tennis
[31:55] and etc. And there is the whole upper
floor which is soccer. And as you got
[32:00] the sense from their letter, um, Richard
is a professional soccer player and they
[32:07] want to bring indoor soccer. They have
been running a soccer uh, business for a
[32:13] a while. And so it it is all of those
things.
[32:18] » Yeah. So, can I follow up on that?
>> Yes. Briefly, and then we've got to move
[32:22] on. And that and that brings me to
another point about why you don't
[32:26] particularly want to get into this one
because this is clearly a a passion of
[32:32] somebody who makes money in the
business. So it's not a it's not a for
[32:37] all of the community and so on. and and
right down the road the the Duffren um
[32:42] recreation complex that we already have
a part in that is precarious at the
[32:47] moment because the way that different
municipalities are behaving and wanting
[32:51] and so on. I I think that we should
learn from our lessons and not go into
[32:58] something like that. So, I I don't I I
think if somebody wants to go ahead to
[33:03] bring it as a zoning change, then that's
a council decision to move it on to our
[33:07] zoning um committee and so on and and
and that we should have a space in. But
[33:12] to put our stamp of approval on some
private person who who ha is I I think
[33:19] is uh is is not cricket. Okay.
>> Um Elaine, if I can ask a question. How
[33:24] is this different than the facility that
we already have in Mono known as Axe?
[33:29] Yeah.
>> Well, it's very different um in that
[33:32] they don't have a pool and it's at the
south end and this is at the north end.
[33:36] » I I'm not that's private. Yeah,
>> that's my point is
[33:40] » but we supported them with the you know
>> some of the structure of the didn't we
[33:46] support them rebuilding their uh dome
and
[33:50] » I think we've been generally supportive
of of of their activities and they've
[33:54] been very very successful in their
private and you're right and it's
[33:58] similar in that in that regard
>> they're privately held and they uh they
[34:02] do indeed reach out to people in Mono
who participate in the basketball
[34:06] program right
>> as an example Right.
[34:09] » So is is it it's similar to what we
already have?
[34:13] » Yes. Exactly. And and also this is liken
it to a YMCA.
[34:21] Like if we could get the Y to come and
build here, great. But we can't cuz
[34:26] they're not building infrastructure
right now. And so the YMCA is owned and
[34:32] operated by the YMCA and it's a fee for
service programming. this would be very
[34:39] similar. Now, obviously these detailed
questions about how it would run, how it
[34:44] would operate, I can't speak to fully
because I'm not the proponent and it
[34:50] would be incorrect for me to do that
without them here to speak for
[34:53] themselves. But this was an introduction
to an opportunity that we can take
[34:59] advantage of to supply something that
our citizens are looking for.
[35:05] And we're only asking right at this
point is consideration to sign the
[35:11] letter that does not obligate us to give
them any financing at all or approve
[35:19] this when it comes for zoning. Uh it
doesn't commit us to any of that. It's
[35:24] just we are saying great idea. Go ahead.
>> And why do we need it in writing? I'm
[35:31] sorry. May
>> Ralph, do you have any?
[35:34] » Yes, it is. Thank you.
>> Thanks. Thanks for bringing us Ela and
[35:37] and thanks very much for championing the
uh concept of providing more
[35:41] recreational experiences for people in
Monal. Um I see this as a little
[35:46] different from Axe in that it has a
pool. Um does Axe have an indoor soccer
[35:51] field now?
>> Indoor. Yeah. Fields. That's their deal.
[35:54] Pardon?
>> Yes, that's their deal. Indoor stuff.
[35:57] » Well, mostly it was basketball. It was
built on the on the premise of
[36:01] basketball and training basketball. I
think they had tennies as well at one
[36:04] point.
>> Okay. Um, so this is this is entirely
[36:08] private and it will be structured that
way. Um, if we had a um some business
[36:14] that wanted to come into Mono and create
20 new jobs and that would be productive
[36:19] for Mono, we'd have no hesitation in
supporting them. I have no hesitation
[36:23] supporting a private um um u business or
organization and in and in in in saying
[36:29] yes, it's a good thing for us and we'll
go for it. Um I' I'd like a little more
[36:34] information about them if you like. They
they um were based in Bmpton and it's an
[36:40] organization that has similar names
throughout the uh North America. Do you
[36:45] know anything about them?
>> You really don't know what you're
[36:48] talking about? Well, I tried to uh to
research it last night and it seemed
[36:52] that they have a name which is in
Bmpton. If you go if you look up their
[36:55] name.
>> What you mean they have a name?
[36:57] » A name? A name? This is a corporate name
if you like. Anyway, I should have more
[37:01] information. I'll get it for you.
>> Right. So, I the information I have is
[37:05] what was in the report.
>> It tells you who they are individually.
[37:09] » He grew up playing soccer. He became a
pro. He traveled the world. His passion
[37:15] is soccer. and he they run a soccer
club.
[37:21] » She works for the Canadian Armed Forces.
Uh so right right
[37:25] » she has a very uh senior role there and
you know they they have the skills and
[37:30] the passion to make this happen.
>> So I got a Brford a Bmpton address when
[37:35] I looked them up and I'll follow up on
that. The other comment is that the CS
[37:41] uh RIF grant is not available to private
organizations. is only available to um
[37:48] uh NOS's uh municipalities or indigenous
organizations. So I'm not sure why they
[37:54] would put this in here that they're
>> No, they didn't put that in there. I
[37:56] did.
>> Okay. Well, I think it's uh that's
[38:00] grants are not available from that
organization for this institution. Well,
[38:04] um Kim knows more about that than
anybody, but there is they did find some
[38:09] granting uh fund grants that were open
to forprofit organizations.
[38:17] So, we can strike that out if you want,
but mainly we're looking for support
[38:25] just to say we support the idea. It's
all up to them as the proponents to make
[38:33] it happen to do all the planning as I
said and get all the everything you know
[38:38] uh according to
planning rules and regulations and
[38:45] property zoning and all that stuff.
>> If I can follow up. Yeah.
[38:49] » Yeah. I have no problem with uh saying
that we would like to see this in the
[38:53] muna. We think if it's viable they
should go ahead. Um, I would not like to
[38:58] see it morph into something like, "Hey,
we're in deep trouble here. Can
[39:02] municipality help them bail us out?"
>> Well, um, I'd like to quote from the the
[39:08] proposed draft letter. Um, it it says,
"Council is supportive in principle of
[39:15] the proposed multisport community
center." Uh I have some question about
[39:20] the use of the term community center
because it does confuse people between
[39:25] our community centers and and a
privately held community center. Uh the
[39:32] uh wording goes on this support does not
constitute imply uh or confirm any
[39:37] financial contribution, funding
commitment, grant, loan or other
[39:41] monetary support from the town of Mono.
Uh it further states this letter does
[39:46] not supersede wave, replace or
predetermine any approvals,
[39:51] requirements, processes, conditions or
obligations. Sounds like it's been
[39:55] written by a lawyer. Uh or obligations
under the planning act. So it's it is
[40:02] I mean I think we are well protected by
a wording that uh says that we are not
[40:08] obliged to fund and we are not obliged
to approve from the standpoint of
[40:12] planning.
>> Right.
[40:14] So then that brings me to what what what
are we doing? Is it really the council's
[40:20] position when somebody and you're right
that we would support but at this stage
[40:24] of the game when somebody comes to and
wants to open up a car dealership or
[40:29] they don't come to us first and ask for
something in writing they get everything
[40:34] all their ducks in a row and then
whereas I I feel like there is and when
[40:39] and when you say we and so on I'm I'm
I'm getting them the the impression that
[40:44] you have been very passionate about this
and that you might not be as objective
[40:48] about the this as as I would like a
counselor to be in your position.
[40:54] » Yes, Fred.
>> So, I just I just don't know why we need
[40:56] why we need it.
>> I just if I could sort of respond to
[41:00] councelor Davey, I I agree. I I not not
with you. I I think there's no problem
[41:05] with us as a council saying, "Hey,
here's a letter of support. We think
[41:08] it's a great idea and go ahead." I don't
have a problem with that. And as the
[41:12] mayor just read out, there's all kinds
of conditions in this letter that says
[41:17] don't come after us for money or
anything else. But I'm I'm quite willing
[41:20] to support the idea of them doing this.
>> Just to clarify, so letters of support
[41:26] are like
perhaps endorsements for councils
[41:32] running people running for council.
They're endorsements. They make no
[41:36] commitment beyond that. They might not
even vote for you, but they're saying,
[41:40] "Oh, yes. I'll I'll I'll endorse this
person to run." because they are looking
[41:46] for letters of support in all different
places so that they can say to private
[41:54] funders,
I have all of these letters of support
[41:58] for
the the desire to see this in the
[42:03] community and therefore will you give us
money?
[42:08] That's what's it's all about. It's
building that business case and building
[42:12] the funding. Uh
>> if if I can make one one statement and
[42:17] that is this is not dissimilar to uh the
town being approached by somebody who
[42:22] wants to uh uh build something
commercial
[42:26] uh and uh uh and and let's say it's a um
a widget factory. Okay. And our response
[42:34] would be we'd love to see you do that
but you have to uh go through a planning
[42:40] process. don't look to us for subsidies.
>> Yes.
[42:44] » Um and uh and and good luck. Uh but you
know, and that happens all the time in
[42:50] municipalities and and people are
encouraged either uh privately or
[42:55] through through a council discussion
such as this uh subject to the
[42:59] conditions that they apply uh you know
through the planning process. and that
[43:05] uh at any point in the future the answer
um to any request for money could very
[43:11] easily be no and you knew that going
into it.
[43:14] You're
>> right. Exactly.
[43:17] You're right. Except that it's not a
widget factory. It is presented as a
[43:24] » Do you know what I mean? Like it like
you're Yes, but it but it is
[43:28] » it's better than a widget factory.
>> It is because it it provides something
[43:31] to the community. something that the
community has been asking for.
[43:36] » And so
>> I don't think the letter I'm all in
[43:38] support of the letter. I wish it didn't
use the word community center in the
[43:41] letter.
>> But that but but we don't we can we can
[43:44] take well and you're all quick to take
that out and take out the grant and
[43:48] everything. It's actually then it then
then it is we're just we we support
[43:52] business in in mono in general in which
of course we do. In which case, why does
[43:58] this why do they need a specific why
>> as I explained they need as many letters
[44:03] of support as they can unlike
just like endorsements
[44:09] so that when they go
to funders not I'm not just that
[44:15] » no endorsements are legislated this is
just an idea
[44:18] » it's a letter of encouragement
>> so that you know people will say okay so
[44:23] you've you've gone to others you've
asked them for your you Do they support
[44:28] this idea? And yes, they do. It just
demonstrates that people have a desire
[44:33] to see this.
>> Okay.
[44:38] » Call the question.
>> Call the question. Okay. Uh I'm going to
[44:42] call the question. Right.
>> Uh I'm not sure it's been moved or
[44:46] seconded. Jed, your
>> No, no, they did it right when she
[44:49] presented it.
>> No, no, I haven't read the motion yet.
[44:52] » Believe it or not, I haven't read the
motion. Oh, then that was before the
[44:54] meeting that you said I will I will
first it and you will second it right
[44:57] now.
>> No, but that's for something else too.
[44:59] » That's that's for the other thing. We
were only talking about the motor
[45:03] scooter thing.
>> Uh I have a motion that we receive the
[45:06] Mono Mono Multisport Community Center
report from councelor Capes dated August
[45:11] 17th, 2026. and that the mayor send a
letter of support on behalf of council
[45:17] to Rich Richard Edwards and Christa Gail
Clark Edwards in substantially the same
[45:23] form as the draft letter of support
included in the report.
[45:27] » Can I move an amendment a friendly
amendment? I think can we take
[45:30] » Well, let's see if it's friendly.
>> Okay. Can we take the word community out
[45:33] of that motion?
>> Yeah. Sports center.
[45:37] » Yes.
>> Acceptable with that? Okay. So, we're
[45:40] removing the uh term community for I
think reasons stated uh uh previously.
[45:46] Um
okay. So, um
[45:49] » so move.
>> It's so move. Okay. And I will so second
[45:52] or Fred, you want to second?
>> I'll second.
[45:54] » Okay. You'll second.
>> Uh those in favor?
[46:00] » Any opposed?
And motion carries.
[46:03] » Uh thank you very much.
There are a lot of people out there who
[46:08] are going to be very happy and I know a
lot of them.
[46:12] » Okay. Anyways, let's let's not
go into territori.
[46:23] » Anyways,
uh I am still going to I see we have uh
[46:28] some people in the gallery. Are you here
on the uh uh the noise bylaw?
[46:32] » Yes.
>> Okay. Um, I'm going to if if I if I can
[46:35] ask for your indulgence, we'll address
it at 10:00 because it's on the agenda
[46:39] as an item for 10:00. So, we'll proceed
with uh other items on the uh on the
[46:45] agenda. The first item is a a temporary
borrowing bylaw. This is a routine
[46:50] matter. And I have a motion that council
receives the temporary borrowing bylaw
[46:55] report dated August 17th, 2026. and that
we introduce and give the necessary
[47:00] readings to a bylaw to authorize the
temporary borrowing of funds that be
[47:04] signed by the mayor and clerk sealed and
engrossed in the bylaw book. Uh moved by
[47:08] deputy mayor uh Nicks, seconded by
councelor Magdalo. Any discussion or
[47:13] questions for less?
>> Yeah, I have one question.
[47:16] » How how often do we use this? Do do we
borrow money temporarily? I don't think
[47:21] we do. Do do we very often?
>> Thank Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Uh I was
[47:24] actually anticipating that question.
Maybe not from you, but uh well, not
[47:30] that recent, but it it's fairly recent
during co time when council deferred the
[47:34] tax payments. I had to I had to kind of
dip into that, but it's all it has been
[47:40] now taxes have been collected. It's all
paid up, but we have had to use it
[47:44] » on occasion that in that moment was an
emergency.
[47:47] » So, it's a sort of a form of bridge
financing, right?
[47:51] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Uh I'll call the question. Any
[47:54] opposed? Do you want to move and second?
>> Oh, move her and second.
[47:58] » We did. We did. Sorry.
>> Okay. So, any opposed to the motion?
[48:03] » Seeing none, the motion passes.
>> Uh, next item is the report to council
[48:08] on the 2026 2027 Island Lake um, uh,
drinking water inspection report. And uh
[48:16] I have a motion that the council for the
town of Mono receive the 2026 2027
[48:21] island lake drinking water system
inspection report that and that the town
[48:25] continues its commitment to transparency
to make these reports publicly available
[48:30] on the town's website and at the town
and at town hall ensuring residents have
[48:36] ongoing access to information regarding
the safety and reliability of the
[48:40] drinking water systems. Do I have a
mover for that? Councelor Magdalo moves
[48:45] councelor Cape seconds uh discussion or
questions for Matt uh Ralph and then
[48:51] Fred.
>> Um Matt um could you just explain to us
[48:56] what secondary disinfection residual is
and um why that's been a problem and
[49:02] what's been done about it.
>> Thanks Council M. Um, so we're required,
[49:08] the operating authority is required to
take samples in the distribution system
[49:12] to ensure that the residual of the
chlorine is adequate throughout the
[49:16] system. Unfortunately, this was more of
an administrative miss. Um, I've talked
[49:21] to the uh town um of Orangeville about
this and they've since purchased some
[49:27] additional software to help remind
operators to take these samples. Um like
[49:34] I said it's a it's more or less a human
error on on that behalf, but there's
[49:38] lots of redundancies in place for
chlorine residual. So you have the
[49:42] pre-cont
um analyzers and you have the postc
[49:46] contact analyzers. This is just an
additional test for the system to ensure
[49:50] that that chlorine is going through the
system at a level that's acceptable to
[49:54] the ministry. So a a testing is done
somewhere downstream from where the
[49:59] chlorine is insert is put in
>> and it it appeared to me that that
[50:04] testing revealed that chlorine was
inadequate there.
[50:07] » No, it's just that it wasn't sampled.
>> Wasn't sampled. Okay. So
[50:11] » So it's a sample that's collected at a
sample station throughout the
[50:14] distribution system. They collects it.
They sent to the lab to verify that. And
[50:18] what's the purpose of doing this
secondary uh uh chlorine
[50:22] » extra layers of to ensure that that
chlorine that's injected into the system
[50:25] that the analyzer should it fail or
should an analyzer fail in the in the
[50:30] pump house um that it's being collected
or if it's there's stagnant sections of
[50:34] water in the system. Um but typically
that this isn't normally a problem. It's
[50:39] just an unfortunate
>> So the concern is that the chlorine
[50:42] remain in the in the system until it
comes out my drinking tap, right?
[50:45] » Yes.
>> Okay. And um so it sounded like they
[50:49] were adding additional pieces of
equipment to deal with this. Is it a
[50:54] monitoring equipment?
>> Software. It's just literally a
[50:57] reminder. And you know operators, it's
not just a simple day-to-day thing. If
[51:01] everything ran perfectly and all the
machines ran perfectly and the equipment
[51:04] was fine, but a lot of the time they get
dragged around and there's they're
[51:07] attending to issues uh at any time of
the day. And it's not an excuse, but
[51:11] unfortunately it leads to uh a mess or a
slight delay.
[51:16] » Okay. Well, so just just say
congratulations on the report. It's a
[51:19] very important subject for our our town
and for all of our residents who depend
[51:25] upon this drinking water and I think the
uh management of this has been really
[51:29] excellent by your yourself and your
staff.
[51:32] » Thank you Fred and then Melinda. Yeah, I
was going to ask a question on the same
[51:37] thing because it's a a non-compliance
and you know, every year when we read
[51:41] some of these drinking water reports, we
have the these non-compliance issues
[51:45] which raises in my mind the question of
whether we're dealing with the right
[51:49] operators for our water system. However,
having said that, and I know the
[51:51] public's listening, I I I I will have to
say that these non-compliance issues
[51:56] that keep occurring in our drinking
water reports are are usually just small
[52:01] administrative or paperwork issues.
They're not
[52:04] » they're not serious non-compliance
issues. The water is still safe. And in
[52:07] this particular case, what surprised me,
Matt, was that in last year's report,
[52:13] this was not a non-compliance issue. So,
how come how
[52:17] I I guess I wondered why wasn't it
caught before? And how many years have
[52:20] we gone without this secondary u um
sampling?
[52:29] » Thanks, Stephanie Mary. Nick with you.
Uh we haven't had we there's been times
[52:34] in the past that this has been an issue
where it's been missed and it's been
[52:37] reported. Um I think last year the year
before we had 100% on the inspection
[52:42] report. So um it's like you said it's
it's when you're we have humans involved
[52:47] even computers involved there's still uh
issues with that. So um it
[52:52] » was caught in the past why wasn't it
fixed? Why why haven't we solved the
[52:56] problem? didn't happen this time.
>> I would say that there's different
[53:01] operators being trained all the time and
hired and and whatnot. And like I said,
[53:04] you're they're being dragged to a
different situation at in in Mono or
[53:09] Orangeville and it may be a slight delay
in sampling. Um I believe there was one
[53:13] instance in the past where it got
misplaced. The sample was taken but it
[53:17] was misplaced. There's just like I said,
humans and in and machines there's
[53:22] there's always the potential for some
miss. If I could just finish, there are
[53:27] other operators we could hire and I
don't know what their records are in the
[53:30] water systems that they run. I guess
what I'd like to know, do they also have
[53:35] human errors all the time or would they
be any better than our current operator?
[53:39] I would recommend you to look at the
annual and summary reports that are
[53:43] submit and the ministry reports that get
posted to uh whether it's new to KUMSA
[53:49] or other surrounding municipalities to
review what their their uh status is as
[53:53] far as uh inspection compliance.
>> Thank you, Mayor Melinda.
[53:58] » Thank you very much. Thanks for the
report. And it's and it's good. I mean,
[54:01] you know, it's it's 93 or whatever, but
um wasn't I didn't I read in here that
[54:06] the that the actual time was in December
between tw December 22nd and December 28
[54:12] or whatever that the error was. So, this
was like when somebody was on holiday or
[54:16] the person who was on holiday didn't
quite message to the person who was
[54:19] covering for them exactly, oh, don't
forget to do the whatever. Right. So,
[54:22] that's that's the human error there.
>> That's right. Yeah. There's some the
[54:24] communication there. And when I was
speaking with management about it,
[54:28] they've since purchased software as an
additional layer to for these reminders
[54:33] and uh the communication transfer um
sometimes is there's lots of different
[54:38] things going on, but Matt
>> um
[54:42] » I just correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't
read that the chlorination didn't
[54:48] happen. I read that the sample wasn't
taken.
[54:51] » That's right. And I think that's a very
important distinction to make here.
[54:55] » Y
>> is that the the important thing is that
[54:58] the the chlorination occurs, right? So
yeah, like the chlorine leaving the
[55:03] facility
>> is tested by a pre and a post sampler.
[55:08] So it can't leave the well shuts down if
there's an issue with that chlorine that
[55:13] chlorinated water leaving the contact
chamber, which is a a pipe underneath
[55:16] the ground that says the chlorine has to
be in that water for a certain period of
[55:20] time. and it's calculated based on the
flow going out to users. If it drops
[55:26] below that level, the pump shuts down.
Everything shuts down. So, yeah, it's
[55:32] it's just an additional check.
>> I think that's that's important for the
[55:35] public to know is that we're not
disputing that the chlorination or
[55:39] they're not disputing that the
chlorination didn't occur, only that it
[55:43] wasn't sampled properly.
>> Yeah. Okay. So there's just a couple if
[55:47] there's any other questions or not but
hey
[55:51] » thank you I yes and and I noticed that
too Melinda the December 22nd to 28th
[55:57] and when should that sample have been
taken within that time frame and it says
[56:03] uh this is on page 13 there's a 48 hour
timing on this and then three and four
[56:09] sample timing. What does that mean? It's
just the frequency of the of when
[56:13] they're taking it throughout the week.
So they do four and then they they flip
[56:17] to three so they don't they don't miss
it. Yeah. So it's just a
[56:22] Yeah.
>> In case I get tested by the ministry.
[56:24] » So
um I think report pages 11 and 13. Um
[56:30] also the ministry speaks about chlorine
chlorine contact loops in both Kohl's
[56:35] and Island Lake. And I spoke to council
about this earlier this year that the
[56:39] ministry had set a a date of August 2027
to implement this contact loop. So I
[56:44] just wanted to give council the heads up
that this will be part of the 2027
[56:48] budget and it's not cheap.
>> Um it's uh 200 plus,000 per system. So
[56:56] Kohl's and Island Lake and uh the idea
is that that will be you know brought to
[57:02] council and tendered in the spring. We
did submit a letter to the ministry
[57:06] requesting exemption from the Kohl's
system because as council will recall uh
[57:11] the EA has recommended that we remove
coals one and two from the system. So
[57:16] we're hoping we don't have to do that
work and then completely abandon it. So
[57:20] we're hoping we get a favorable response
from then. And then I just wanted one
[57:24] quick thing with respect to the arsenic
on page report page 14. Uh we hope to
[57:29] have the project file report submitted
uh published this week. So that will be
[57:34] uh hopefully online uh as early as this
week.
[57:37] » But the other thing we should assure our
taxpayers, whatever the cost of this new
[57:41] loop is, it doesn't affect our taxes
>> comes from reserves. Water reserves.
[57:46] » No, it comes from the water users.
>> Comes from the the reserves that have
[57:50] been created by the water users.
>> Yeah.
[57:54] » Um
>> which we don't have that much. Right.
[58:02] Well,
[58:06] anyways, on that note, uh I'll call the
question. Uh any opposed to acceptance
[58:10] of the report?
Okay. And that's uh carried.
[58:15] Uh we are within 3 minutes of 10:00. Is
it council's wish that we go to the uh
[58:21] uh 10:00 item?
>> Yes.
[58:23] » Okay.
Good morning. Um, you're here in support
[58:28] of a uh a request for an exemption to
the uh noise bylaw. If you'd like to
[58:33] come forward and introduce yourselves
and uh we'll uh we'll consider the
[58:38] request.
>> Are they for 10 or 10:15?
[58:40] » I think it's one and the same.
>> Oh, pardon me. For 10:00. My apologies.
[58:47] » Okay.
>> Yes. Mr. Boures.
[58:53] » And
Mr. Mr. Borges, if you could just press
[58:56] the button on the uh and just restate
your name and give us your address.
[59:00] » Joe Boures and my personal address.
>> Yes.
[59:03] » 9562
Six Line, Georgetown, Ontario.
[59:08] » Okay.
>> Thank you. Uh and Mr. Borges, you've
[59:12] made an application for a u an exemption
to uh uh the uh enforcement of the noise
[59:19] bylaw for your event. uh if you can just
tell us briefly a little bit um about it
[59:24] and the reasons why council should grant
the request.
[59:28] Okay. Um as for what they are, they've
it's pretty much it's the same as what's
[59:34] been done there in the past other than
by different people. Um
[59:41] I don't know, you know, you guys are
aware of what they are. So it's uh
[59:48] exactly the same thing.
[59:52] Okay.
>> Has he been here before?
[59:56] » Have we Have we ever
>> No. No. This is my my first time. I
[1:00:00] mean, I've been in Orangeville in the
past, but like 15 years ago,
[1:00:05] » but you've you've run events in
Orangeville.
[1:00:08] » You? Yeah. In the past, like been about
15 16 years now. Okay. I haven't been.
[1:00:13] » Okay. Um, members of council questions.
So, Elaine caught my eye first, followed
[1:00:19] by Ralph, followed by Melinda.
>> Thank you for coming. And I I just want
[1:00:25] to understand
because you do know that our bylaw says
[1:00:30] sound or vibration is noise
>> and it's noise if it's likely to disturb
[1:00:36] somebody.
>> Yes.
[1:00:37] » And we've had lots of, you know,
situations that it's disturbed people.
[1:00:42] And so I want to understand why you need
to go to 11:00 p.m. It gets dark at
[1:00:50] 8:00. Now
>> this we have kind of what it's like a
[1:00:54] finals. So we're it carries on a little
it won't be on until 11:00. Um I put
[1:01:01] 11:00
just as 11:00. Um the rodeo itself like
[1:01:06] by 9 9:30 we'll be done. Um, I just put
11:00 as
[1:01:12] » So, how do you do this in the dark?
>> Like, they have the lights. It's It's
[1:01:18] still
>> um
[1:01:20] » Okay. So, could we consider changing it
to 9:00?
[1:01:25] » Sure.
>> It's very generous of you.
[1:01:31] » And Ralph and then Hi, Linda.
>> Just just hi, thanks for coming. Uh,
[1:01:35] just a note about the timing here. Um
this is a August the 25th and you're
[1:01:41] asking for an event uh uh that uh
permission for noise for an event that's
[1:01:45] in 4 days time.
>> Yes. Um I didn't we didn't have uh the
[1:01:51] day or when everything got submitted was
I believe
[1:01:57] you had was on a Monday and you guys had
your previous meeting on the Tuesday so
[1:02:02] I couldn't get in on that one. Um
it was kind of a rush thing. Um we
[1:02:10] didn't have a whole lot of time to um
like to do the 60 days.
[1:02:15] » Is this a an application here because it
was cancelled somewhere else?
[1:02:20] » No.
>> No, it's just a last minute thought.
[1:02:23] » Uh yeah. Um
okay.
[1:02:29] No problem.
>> Um thanks very much. Yeah. Thanks for
[1:02:32] thanks for coming in person. It's very
helpful and um for for people to come as
[1:02:36] opposed to just in writing. Um so I
appreciate that. Uh when you made a
[1:02:41] comment that you were at the or in
Orangeville 15 or 16 years ago, was it
[1:02:44] at this at this facility that is in Mono
or was it a
[1:02:48] » No, no, it was No, it was there at the
fairgrounds. So, it was there at the
[1:02:50] fairgrounds,
>> but there was no I mean, we didn't
[1:02:54] require a noise bylaw or uh
>> Well, no, we actually had a noise bylaw
[1:02:58] that said you couldn't make any noise
after 5:00 p.m. So, there was a noise
[1:03:01] bylaw. And the the whole reason why we
redid it was because it wasn't being it
[1:03:04] wasn't being respected or whatever.
>> Ours was at that time indoors
[1:03:08] » cuz that was 200 from 2004, that old
bylaw. Anyway, it was here at this in in
[1:03:14] this town that you were here before.
>> Yes. And
[1:03:17] » and like I said, the ones that we did at
that time were held indoors.
[1:03:21] » Indoors.
>> Yes.
[1:03:22] » Right. But you had the windows open and
things make noise anyway. So, but but
[1:03:25] what may I ask why you stopped going to
Orangeville?
[1:03:29] » Like why the 15-year gap before between
>> Well, I've always uh I've held them
[1:03:34] other other places. Uh too since co um
I've had health issues like I've uh had
[1:03:41] four bypasses and stuff like that. So,
um I only really started back up last
[1:03:48] year and
>> Oh, I see. Oh, okay.
[1:03:51] » So, and I did one in Orange, um
Cambridge. Um this year I held one in
[1:03:57] Milton earlier in the year.
>> Okay.
[1:04:00] » So, I'm like I'm not doing a whole lot.
I only do like one or two a year. That's
[1:04:05] all I do.
>> So, and the reason to do them in
[1:04:08] different locations is because it in it
that the community comes from different
[1:04:13] places. It's the community um location
like the the grounds that you know that
[1:04:19] a lot you know that we can have the
grounds to use this for what we do. Um
[1:04:25] and um yeah basically location. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:04:30] » Okay. Mr. Press, uh do you have an
agreement with the uh Orangeville
[1:04:35] Fairboard? Do you have a a contract?
>> Yes. I don't have one with me, but
[1:04:40] » are they requiring that you get a noise
exemption from us in order for the event
[1:04:44] to proceed?
>> Yes.
[1:04:46] » Okay. So, I think that should be clearly
on the record that uh uh that's their
[1:04:51] insistence. Um we we are not in a
position to say no to the event. All
[1:04:58] we're considering here today is a
request to exempt you from provisions of
[1:05:02] the noise bylaw.
>> Yes.
[1:05:04] » So, we're not we're not shutting down
the event. It is like it's on their
[1:05:10] » they require us to get one. Okay.
>> Uh so Elaine and then Fred.
[1:05:17] » Thank you Marin. Notwithstanding that uh
we have
[1:05:23] in other situations people provide us
with the OSPCA
[1:05:29] letter of sanctioning the event. Do you
have such a letter from the OSPCA or
[1:05:35] have you ever had to provide a letter
that sanctions your event for the the
[1:05:40] treatment of the animals etc?
>> I'm not quite understanding the
[1:05:45] question, but like I mean I got a letter
uh from the fairgrounds that I uploaded.
[1:05:51] » No, not the fairgrounds, the animal
safety people, the OSPCA.
[1:05:55] » Elaine, just to just to put things in
context. Yeah. Uh but but nothing hinges
[1:06:01] on this because um that's not part of
the application. Yeah. Uh no
[1:06:08] » OSPCA. I mean they'll never give you a
letter for any rodeo of any sort. So
[1:06:12] that answers your question.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:06:16] » Thank you, Fred. I just want to
understand the mayor's question. You're
[1:06:19] saying you have a contract and if you
don't get a noise exemption from us,
[1:06:25] then you can't run the affair. or is
that is that the effect of your
[1:06:28] contract?
>> Um,
[1:06:33] I'm not sure for that question.
>> Well, your contract says you must get a
[1:06:38] noise exemption from us because
>> you must apply for a noise exemption.
[1:06:41] Yes.
>> To to follow up on what the mayor said,
[1:06:44] we're only regulating noise.
>> Yeah.
[1:06:46] » Not the activity. But I want to
understand something. If we
[1:06:50] » Well, that's the we have to regulate
noise and say you don't get an
[1:06:52] exemption, then it seems to me
indirectly we're regulating the
[1:06:56] activity.
>> Well, you can run it without noise.
[1:06:59] » What?
>> Or you can run it without noise?
[1:07:02] » No. The contract says he must get the
exemption from us to run the affair. As
[1:07:06] I understand what the
>> It's not I must get it. I must apply for
[1:07:09] one.
>> Well, you must apply for one.
[1:07:12] » I must apply for one. Okay.
>> Doesn't matter if you get it.
[1:07:15] » Apply.
>> Yeah. We've had instances in the past
[1:07:18] where that's not been very clear and it
sounds like you must get the exemption
[1:07:23] or else the event can't occur.
>> Okay.
[1:07:25] » And if all it says you must apply for
one, I'm hoping that they will will
[1:07:31] honor the contract is signed.
>> Yeah.
[1:07:36] » Well, we'll see.
>> Have to vote.
[1:07:38] » We'll see. Um
[1:07:43] » Okay.
Are members of council uh wishing to say
[1:07:47] anything more um before we have a vote?
>> Yes.
[1:07:51] » Sorry, just a question. Has the
application fee been received?
[1:07:57] » Uh yes, we have received the fee. Uh
councelor Capes,
[1:08:01] » thank you.
>> Okay.
[1:08:06] So, um I'll go first. I I just want to
indicate Mr. Borges that uh my position
[1:08:13] uh is consistently that uh um a noise
exemption request is actually um a
[1:08:20] request for a permit to make noise.
Okay. And uh I've got a I've got a
[1:08:25] problem with that. And I think that
events can occur uh that do not um uh
[1:08:31] intrude upon uh the neighborhood. Um, I
don't know if this is one of them, but I
[1:08:36] think that it is it is possible that
things can occur outdoors at the event
[1:08:40] center uh that do not need uh a noise
permit uh as I call it. Uh the other
[1:08:47] concern I have is the uh the short
notice on this um one of the provisions
[1:08:51] of applying for um an exemption or
permit uh is that the neighborhood be
[1:08:57] circulated.
And I don't I I would rather suspect
[1:09:02] that the neighborhood has not been
circulated with
[1:09:05] » we've uh put it on the Mono Orangeville
Mono Community Center uh Facebook page.
[1:09:12] Okay.
>> Um
[1:09:15] been two weeks, I guess, or
>> I appreciate that. I I don't know that
[1:09:19] that's what the uh what the bylaw um
intends, but uh thank you for for doing
[1:09:25] that.
>> Any other comments from council?
[1:09:29] Uh Elaine,
>> I just want to go back to the timing. Um
[1:09:33] in our bylaw, it states certain noises
can't occur from 10 p.m. to 7:00 a.m.
[1:09:38] And so 1000 p.m.
uh seems to be a number that's been
[1:09:44] defined as uh
you can't make noise after 10 p.m. And I
[1:09:50] know it says you can't make noise at
all.
[1:09:52] » Mhm.
>> I agree with that. But um
[1:09:55] » disturbing noise.
>> Yeah. All noise is disturbing to
[1:09:59] somebody. Anyway, I just um don't know
if we can
[1:10:04] » I mean, if we were holding concert there
or something, I could see that how
[1:10:08] that's like extravagantly loud.
>> Our announcer at our shows like it's
[1:10:13] just an announcer. It's
>> um even if we do play some music, it's
[1:10:17] just interesting the people for that are
stand, you know, like in in between
[1:10:22] people doing stuff there in the grand
stands. It's always down low enough that
[1:10:27] I'm pretty sure it hardly ever leaves
those it won't leave the grounds.
[1:10:31] » But as you said yourself, sorry, go
ahead.
[1:10:34] » And um you know um I've been there and
seen it. Um like our announcer and like
[1:10:41] say the speakers, we'll put them facing
the gravel pit, which works for us. It's
[1:10:46] not going to be going towards the
residential areas or anything like that.
[1:10:51] and uh the level of noise that's there,
it won't make it to anybody's backyard.
[1:10:56] » Mhm. And and just to go back to
something you said earlier, you said
[1:11:00] like the whole rodeo part is finished by
9:30. So
[1:11:04] » yeah,
>> what happen there's no afterparty or
[1:11:07] anything like that if that's what you're
asking?
[1:11:10] » No. So it's just it's it's done then
people leave and you close up and take
[1:11:14] your stuff out.
So
[1:11:17] there's really no requirement for 11
p.m.
[1:11:22] » No, I like I said, I use that number as
>> Okay.
[1:11:26] » So
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:11:27] » So I have a a prepared motion. I'll read
and and of course council is welcome to
[1:11:32] uh move any amendments to it. uh that we
approve the issuance of a noise
[1:11:36] exemption permit pursuant to bylaw
2026-8
[1:11:40] noise bylaw to uh Joe Boures to hold a
Portuguese-style uh rodeo uh on August
[1:11:47] 29th, 2026 at the Orangeville
Agricultural Society Fairgrounds and
[1:11:52] that the permit shall be uh conditional
to all terms uh detailed in the permit,
[1:11:58] including but not limited to number one,
use of ampl amplified sounds between the
[1:12:03] hours of uh 12 and 2300.
Uh two, uh provide the town with a phone
[1:12:09] number for uh the on-site event
organizer who will be responsible to
[1:12:14] make any adjustments to sound levels as
directed by Mono's bylaw enforcement
[1:12:19] officer. And uh finally, that the uh
$500 application fee be waved. Are there
[1:12:26] any emotions to amend that, Fred? I'd
like to amend the uh clause saying that
[1:12:33] until 11:00 p.m. I think 9:00 p.m. is
reasonable.
[1:12:40] » And looking at all our in looking at all
the sort of restrictions in our bylaw,
[1:12:45] if you can't make certain noises between
10 and 7 in the morning, 10:00 p.m. and
[1:12:51] 7 in the morning. So, but I was just
trying to be consistent as a delineated
[1:12:55] noise for purposes of it past 10:00. No,
I know.
[1:12:59] » So, I I subject to what the rest of
council says, I would amend it to 9:00
[1:13:04] p.m., I guess.
>> Okay. Uh, do we have a a mover and a
[1:13:08] seconder? And do we have consent to
>> friendly amendment not?
[1:13:14] » We need a mover and a seconder first and
then I'll I'll start uh seeing whether
[1:13:18] or not it's friendly or not. So,
councelor Capes moves seconded by
[1:13:24] Deputy Mayor. Uh now obviously deputy
mayor's amendment is is consensual. Are
[1:13:31] you in agreement with that?
>> I think it's 9 p.m.
[1:13:34] » 9 p.m.
>> Okay.
[1:13:36] » Can we have a little a little bit
discussion now that we seconded it
[1:13:40] please? Yeah.
>> Um just just to
[1:13:43] » looking at the schedule that that is
report that is attached to um our
[1:13:47] clerk's report. I just the the the
surge in amount of Portuguese style
[1:13:55] rodeos we've been having in the town of
Mono is bananas. We've got we've got if
[1:14:01] we grant you your or if you carry ahead
doesn't matter whether we grant it or
[1:14:04] not. If you go ahead with yours on the
29th that's three weeks in a row there's
[1:14:08] Portuguese
uh rodeos going on. Are you guys not
[1:14:11] working together when you say it's the
final finals of your
[1:14:15] » We work some Yeah, we individual and and
some of us and then we get together with
[1:14:20] you know some of these are we're
involved with each other. Yes.
[1:14:23] » Well, like if you're doing your finals,
what's the finals for what?
[1:14:27] » Like isn't it a isn't it a contest?
Isn't there isn't there some sort of
[1:14:30] contest to element?
>> It's a little bit of a contest. Yeah.
[1:14:33] But it's like
each one kind of does their own uh on on
[1:14:40] their own on on their own.
>> So it's really just a party or
[1:14:43] entertainment. It's really just an
entertainment.
[1:14:45] » It's an entertainment. Yeah. It could be
if you that's how you want to call it.
[1:14:49] » But because the name the organizer names
are different that the three in a row
[1:14:53] and there are three different people.
>> Yeah.
[1:14:56] » That are responsible like Yeah. Yeah.
It's each one's individually. Yes.
[1:15:00] » All right. Thanks for that
clarification.
[1:15:03] Yeah, I this is a real difficult one for
me because I I agree with councelor
[1:15:07] Davyy. I mean, every weekend we have
some event that causes some noise for
[1:15:10] some number of hours. However, in this
case, given the lateness of the
[1:15:14] application and the fact that he's
already got it organized, I'm prepared
[1:15:18] to vote yes on the motion on the floor,
but I do so with this qualification that
[1:15:23] if I'm still here after the next
election, I'm hoping we can introduce a
[1:15:27] bylaw that prohibits Portuguese both
Portuguese rodeos in the town of Mono,
[1:15:33] just as we did with the kite flying
thing. We passed a bylaw that prohibits
[1:15:38] that. I I I know we're not supposed to
be talking about the activity you're
[1:15:42] running. We're only supposed to be
talking about noise, but I have a
[1:15:45] concern with Portuguese bull fighting
and I and so I will vote yes today, but
[1:15:50] I am hoping to introduce a motion that
>> no no no campaigning now.
[1:15:53] » Okay, I think he's over over the top
there.
[1:15:58] I think
>> Elaine and then
[1:16:01] » sir the the other amendment I would like
to make is we're not waving the fee
[1:16:06] » because it's already paid.
>> If council approves the uh the motion as
[1:16:14] presented wave the fee I will return the
fee to the organizer.
[1:16:19] So I suppose the technically it's not
waving well it's waving but it's already
[1:16:23] been paid so I'll just return it.
has fees,
[1:16:27] » but I insisted that it be paid in
advance. Thanks for that clarification
[1:16:30] that I I still would like to not wave
the fee. So, I can't vote for the motion
[1:16:34] the way it is.
>> Well, that's not a friend. It's
[1:16:37] » your It's your motion. Uh, councelor
Capes. So, the mover and seconder can
[1:16:43] change their own motion any way they
wish.
[1:16:47] » As the secondary, I don't agree with
that change.
[1:16:50] » Okay. So, I'll call a I'll call a
separate vote on the waving of the fee
[1:16:55] in advance of a motion the the overall
motion
[1:17:00] » if we're agreeable to
>> if you can do that.
[1:17:02] » Absolutely.
>> Well, the your worship this motion
[1:17:05] includes the the line that the fees be
waved. So, it's unless
[1:17:10] » unless either it's removed by the mover
and seconder or someone moves an
[1:17:15] amending motion.
>> That's right. I would be calling for an
[1:17:18] amending motion
>> which would be called before this
[1:17:21] motion.
>> Correct.
[1:17:22] » Okay.
>> Correct. That would be my intention.
[1:17:24] » Okay. How about I provide you with an
amending motion that says that
[1:17:28] » No, I can't do that.
>> Sure. Technically, you could. Or Yes.
[1:17:34] Yes.
>> I You need a second though.
[1:17:37] » Well, she has to call first.
>> So, sorry, but I would like to call for
[1:17:42] an amendment that we do not wave the
fee. Okay. That's what I move. That's my
[1:17:47] motion.
>> You were just because it's starting to
[1:17:50] get hard to follow. So, councelor Capes,
your motion is that we strike out from
[1:17:56] the main motion, the clause, and that we
wave the $500 application fee.
[1:18:02] » Exactly what I meant to say. Thank you,
Fred.
[1:18:04] » And we vote on that first.
>> Do we have a seconder for that?
[1:18:09] » Yes. So that I can say something.
>> Okay. So, that move is seconded.
[1:18:13] Discussion. So the disc the discussion
is just a general thing not about you
[1:18:18] particularly but a general thing for the
public. We have spent an inordinate
[1:18:21] amount of time on this noise bylaw. We
really felt that we had something now
[1:18:24] that we've put it into practicality in
this this summer we have found that
[1:18:28] there are some shortcomings to it and
one of the big shortcomings is that we
[1:18:32] have set these fees. We've spent not
that we're getting paid for it but our
[1:18:37] staff is getting paid for this time. So
so we do need to collect fees. money is
[1:18:42] being spent in an effort to debate all
these things and and have people come
[1:18:46] and so on. it there is a cost to it and
so far we have I I believe my my memory
[1:18:52] is that we've waved everybody and so you
you kind of you kind of have to stick
[1:18:57] with what you're doing right I but I
think on principle the if we're going to
[1:19:02] have a bylaw and we're going to have
things rules then we shouldn't be waving
[1:19:06] fees I don't care how much money you're
in need of or anything if you're coming
[1:19:10] to me asking for something and you knew
that it there was a fee then you need to
[1:19:14] pay it
>> but um correct me if I'm wrong. You're
[1:19:17] the mover of the motion to wave the fee.
The seconder, you're the seconder to
[1:19:22] wave the fee.
>> I seconded a motion in effort to have
[1:19:25] some discussion. But what but what we're
wanting to do is strike waving the fee
[1:19:32] out of the motion. That's what this is.
So that there is a fee to be paid.
[1:19:38] » Okay.
>> Right.
[1:19:40] My only comment is yes, Councelor Davyy
is correct. Except the principle we've
[1:19:44] followed is for people who've made the
application before our new by noise
[1:19:48] bylaw was passed, we have consistently
waved the fee because they didn't know
[1:19:52] it when they made the application. So I
will be voting against this amendment.
[1:19:56] » Okay. Any further discussion?
>> Yeah, you've taken the words right out
[1:20:00] of my mouth, Fred. Um that's the only
reason for waving the fee here is and
[1:20:04] that doesn't apply to this case,
>> Melinda.
[1:20:06] » Right.
>> Right. So the motion on the floor right
[1:20:10] now is that a fe a fee should be paid.
>> No, the office
[1:20:18] the opposite.
>> The the mo
[1:20:22] the motion that you have on the table is
that we're going to wave the fee
[1:20:27] » or return in the return it. motion that
you have put on is that that fee should
[1:20:33] not be waved and it should be paid that
and we have to and Fred said we have to
[1:20:38] vote on that new motion from Elaine that
I seconded. We have to vote on that
[1:20:43] first before we vote on yours because
yours says wave and we couldn't get the
[1:20:47] seconder to make the guy pay the fee.
That's like
[1:20:50] » okay,
>> Mr. Bes, thank you for your patience,
[1:20:55] » right?
>> You just got to do things proper.
[1:20:58] » Okay. So, to be clear, we have a motion
on the floor moved by uh Elaine,
[1:21:03] seconded by Melinda uh to uh uh to to
not wave the fee or to return the fee.
[1:21:13] So, that's what we're voting on first.
>> Your or needs a comma. I need to have
[1:21:17] that written. It's just to not return
the fee
[1:21:20] » is to strike that clause from the main
motion, which is effectively what you
[1:21:25] said. Fred gave it to us in perfect
words that I would have used as well.
[1:21:29] » Okay, Fred, do you have a a a better way
of expressing it than I did?
[1:21:34] » Uh, so the amending motion on the floor
is to strike out from the main motion
[1:21:39] the clause and that the $500 application
fee be waved. So if that carries, then
[1:21:47] the main motion will no longer include
the clause to wave the fee. Ergo, the
[1:21:53] town will not refund the fee.
If the amending motion passes.
[1:21:58] » Okay. If it passes,
>> right, that's right. You're
[1:22:01] understanding that. Okay. You want to
call the question on the amending?
[1:22:03] » I'm going to call the question. All
those in favor of the amendment,
[1:22:10] » those opposed.
And that motion is carried. And on the
[1:22:15] main motion, uh, minus the, um,
the, u$500 application fee be waved. So,
[1:22:23] and your worship also that the main
motion had been uh amended by the mover
[1:22:29] » to 9 p.m.
>> to read. Yeah. 9:00 p.m. or 2100.
[1:22:32] » Yeah. 2100. Okay. Let's be consistent.
We'll put 2100.
[1:22:38] Okay.
[1:22:41] So, all those in favor of the main
motion,
[1:22:45] those opposed to the main motion. And
that motion is carried.
[1:22:50] » Thank you. Did you follow what we were
all doing?
[1:22:54] » You got You've got your exemption. I got
my exemption and I'm paying $500.
[1:22:58] » But you didn't Yeah, you didn't get your
$500. Sorry.
[1:23:01] » But people
>> It's the fee. But people can still
[1:23:05] complain if if the fee if the terms of
the of the of the waving if the terms of
[1:23:11] the
>> uh I I read up on it and yeah if it was
[1:23:15] something that was planned pre
>> the bylaw being made
[1:23:20] » that you guys would accept uh would uh
not uh charge the fee
[1:23:25] » right not the case
>> and and to be and to be clear simply
[1:23:29] because we
>> your bylaw was done in February so
[1:23:32] » to be clear simply simply because we've
passed an exemption or as I would say a
[1:23:36] permit uh to make noise does not
preclude any resident in the town of
[1:23:42] Mono uh who is agrieved by what they
perceive to be noise from telling us
[1:23:48] about it. We need to get feedback from
the neighborhood.
[1:23:51] » Exactly.
>> Okay.
[1:23:52] » Calling by.
>> Yeah.
[1:23:54] » Well, they don't call directly.
>> And so another question was there or
[1:23:57] another thing you guys mentioned was who
was in charge there. So, it'll be me and
[1:24:01] my phone number that's on the
application. So,
[1:24:05] » uh there's no change in that.
>> Okay. Great. Thank you very much.
[1:24:09] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. Uh the next uh next item up
[1:24:13] is the um noise extension permit to uh
uh Francisco Ramos if you'd like to come
[1:24:21] forward on behalf of
>> And this is the this is the one where
[1:24:26] you had a cancellation and you're
looking at a new date.
[1:24:29] » Yeah. So, we weren't able to perform our
full event. Um, actually, it's the
[1:24:33] second event that happened this past
weekend. We got rained out as well. So,
[1:24:36] we just haven't had any luck,
unfortunately, with the weatherwise. Um,
[1:24:40] July 18th, we performed an event, not to
our full terms, unfortunately. Um, same
[1:24:45] as this past weekend, August 22nd, the
first one on July 18th, we had a haze
[1:24:50] alert with the fire hazards that
occurred uh within Ontario. So the um
[1:24:56] air quality was unconditional for
animals and people
[1:25:01] um and it did also thunder and rain. The
second uh run that we just had on
[1:25:07] Saturday, unfortunately we were rained
out. Uh we weren't able to perform a
[1:25:11] full event again. So in terms of that um
we need basically to redem ourselves
[1:25:18] from our losses for those two runs. Uh
so we are requesting for September 26th.
[1:25:26] » Okay. Let me just read the the motion uh
that we amend the noise exemption permit
[1:25:32] issued to Francisco Romos uh and uh and
and approved by council on April 28th,
[1:25:38] 2026 by adding September 26 uh 2026 as
the permitted event date. All other
[1:25:46] terms and conditions of the permit are
unchanged. Do I have a mover for that?
[1:25:50] Uh, deputy mayor moves seconded by
Do I have a seconder? Councelor Capes.
[1:25:58] Uh, questions or comments of councel?
Um, Ralph and then Melinda and then
[1:26:05] Elaine.
>> Um, you commented about the meeting on
[1:26:09] the 18th being cancelled because of
weather. Is that correct?
[1:26:14] » So, it wasn't fully canceled. We showed
up because we still paid our um rental
[1:26:18] fee for the facility grounds and
everything. We showed up, we set up and
[1:26:22] everything. We just couldn't perform our
full event. Uh so halfway through we we
[1:26:27] shut down.
>> So we had a comment from a resident that
[1:26:30] the event to some extent carried on. So
is that correct? You had
[1:26:34] » it carried on to some extent and then we
closed down. We didn't perform our full
[1:26:37] event.
>> Okay. Thank
[1:26:41] Elaine.
Well, that's that's what I was going to
[1:26:44] clarify. And and this p when you say you
also got rained out on on the on the
[1:26:49] weekend here, you didn't even come to to
do it or you started and set up and then
[1:26:54] and had to. So, that's not really the
same as as having something cancelled.
[1:26:58] » No, I didn't put cancel. I don't believe
I put cancellation fee. I put that we
[1:27:02] couldn't perform our full event.
>> Right. So, Right. So, I just kind of as
[1:27:06] I say, we've and again, this isn't
necessarily what you're asking for now.
[1:27:10] I'm not the guy that that licenses
things that happen at the at the fair,
[1:27:14] but it seems to me that we got a whole
bunch of of rodeos going on and maybe we
[1:27:18] should, you know, spice it up with some
other events. Um, and that, you know,
[1:27:22] you've had a good season in that you've
had a couple of you've had a couple
[1:27:25] already, but
>> um,
[1:27:28] » we had one full event and then the two
kind of fallouts with the weather.
[1:27:32] Unfortunately, we can't.
>> With respect to the noise, are you aware
[1:27:35] of that? Was there any I mean before you
got rained out, were there any Were
[1:27:39] there any problems or concerns?
>> Um I asked the facility coordinator if
[1:27:44] everything went well and if there was
any complaints. She told me no. So Okay.
[1:27:48] » Uh we haven't received any complaints to
our ears.
[1:27:51] » Okay, great. Thank you.
>> I just need some clarification if you
[1:27:56] don't mind. Uh, so
[1:28:00] you had an approved rodeo for July 11th.
>> No. So we had So we had four original
[1:28:10] dates. May 30th, July 18th, August 22nd,
and October 10th.
[1:28:17] » July 18th, and August 22nd, we were uh
weathered out.
[1:28:23] » Okay. Somewhere I read uh July 11th was
the rain out.
[1:28:29] » No, that was in our event.
>> Okay. So July 18th was rained out.
[1:28:33] » July 18th and August 22nd. Yep.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[1:28:41] Any other questions or comments?
Sorry that we can't control the weather.
[1:28:46] I know it's an unfortunate weather
event, but um we got to pull through and
[1:28:51] we got to do our best to make it happen.
>> Thank you. And again, you you you heard
[1:28:55] my my concerns uh u in supporting these
kind of applications, but other
[1:29:00] counselors may take a different view.
>> Okay.
[1:29:03] » Okay. Shall I call the question?
>> Yes.
[1:29:05] » Uh all those in favor of the motion uh
before us,
[1:29:10] » those opposed,
motion is lost. That does not preclude
[1:29:15] you from proceeding, but uh you will not
have a noise exemption bylaw.
[1:29:20] » Okay.
>> Or noise exemption to the bylaw.
[1:29:24] » Okay.
Okay. Thank you.
[1:29:27] » Thank you.
[1:29:31] » Okay. Let's have a uh 10 minutes.
>> If you break,
[1:29:34] » I would just like to say that we've had
so many of these and you set up the
[1:29:41] other two. They didn't completely run
but the residents have been compoundedly
[1:29:49] exposed to many events and this is
another sort of add-on to getting
[1:29:56] towards you know the end of the season
and um so it's nothing personal. Okay.
[1:30:03] » Yeah. We just thought
>> you would try
[1:30:06] » and we're trying to redeem ourselves and
put our gains back because we don't Can
[1:30:12] you put your microphone on while you're
speaking?
[1:30:14] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Is it all good now? Okay. So, we
[1:30:18] just figured that we would replace those
two dates with the 26th because we do
[1:30:22] still have to pay for these events that
occur even if we're rained out or not.
[1:30:26] » Um, so we were just trying to redem our
costs. Yeah. And again, I think in
[1:30:32] fairness, I need to ask the question.
Um, is there any indication from the uh
[1:30:37] uh the um um event center that uh uh you
have a contract?
[1:30:44] » So, we had a contract. Well, I signed a
document for four runs for this year
[1:30:49] specifically.
>> Um it was a request to apply for a noise
[1:30:54] permit.
>> Okay. Um that's the fair grounds request
[1:30:58] on when we get the paperwork.
>> Okay. Thank you. We we just want that on
[1:31:02] the record. Thank you.
>> Yes. No problem.
[1:31:05] » Yes.
>> So these these events which got started
[1:31:08] and run were ranked out were you not
able to charge attendance fees to the
[1:31:14] people who came?
>> So we did unfortunately our numbers
[1:31:17] didn't uh meet quota. So we only yeah
like the first run we did really well.
[1:31:24] Uh we reached 315 people. The second and
third run we just hit under 100.
[1:31:31] » Do you do people pay per run?
>> There is an entry fee of $20.
[1:31:35] » I see. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Thank you again. We're going to have a
[1:31:40] 10-minute recess.
>> So I think we should rename our
[1:44:23] again. Uh the next item on the agenda is
the um the report and motion with regard
[1:44:30] to the six line uh unopened road
allowance and deputy mayor Nicks has
[1:44:35] declared an interest and is leaving the
council
[1:44:38] » indirect indirect conflict of interest.
Thank
[1:44:41] » you.
>> Uh excuse me, Deputy Mayor Nicks, could
[1:44:43] you for the record just state what the
uh the conflict is? The indirect
[1:44:48] conflict is that I am a member of the
Bruce Trail and part of this sale of the
[1:44:51] UN open road allowances to the Bruce
Trail.
[1:44:56] » Thank you. So, I'm going to read the
motion and then we'll we'll have the
[1:45:00] questions and discussion. uh that we
received the report of the clerk titled
[1:45:04] closed six line EHS uh unopen road
allowance dated uh August the 14th, 2026
[1:45:12] and that we introduce and give the
necessary readings to a bylaw to
[1:45:15] permanently close uh the unopen road
allowance um between concessions 6 and 7
[1:45:21] EHS at lot 7 and 8 that it be signed by
the mayor and clerk for the town of Mono
[1:45:26] sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book.
Do I have a mover for that? Um,
[1:45:31] councelor Capes moves seconded by
councelor Davyy. Uh, questions,
[1:45:36] discussion.
[1:45:39] Ralph.
>> Um, I uh am a little fuzzy on all the
[1:45:44] details here. So, I just would like to
uh clarify with the clerk uh what
[1:45:50] exactly is happening. My understanding,
please correct me if I'm wrong, is that
[1:45:55] we are selling parts 1 2 3 4 and five.
And we're selling a part pin which ends
[1:46:01] in 011.
And the other part of it is that we are
[1:46:06] not uh um charging the Bruce Trail for
the portion that the portion of the
[1:46:13] Bruce Trail is purchasing which I think
is part one and that the sale to the
[1:46:20] others is going to be by negotiation
with the town
[1:46:24] » and that negotiation is all
>> that's almost I'm sorry your worship. Go
[1:46:28] ahead. Um, with the exception that the
Bruce Trail um is paying for the portion
[1:46:34] that they're going to acquire, it uh uh
staff had made a recommendation
[1:46:39] previously or not made a recommendation
um had passed along the request from the
[1:46:46] Bruce Trail that they not have to pay
and uh council indicated that uh they
[1:46:51] were to um pay a proportionate amount
for the amount that they were going to
[1:46:56] acquire which they've agreed agreed to
um all parties. Uh we have a verbal
[1:47:02] agreement. Um it'll go to lawyers to be
written up and finalized, but the last
[1:47:08] administrative step prior to that is to
legally close the road. And that's the
[1:47:14] step we're at now. And and my additional
thing,
[1:47:20] thanks for that clarification, is that
you have a negotiated a a number comes
[1:47:24] to I think 45,000 you have indicated and
that we're going to agree to that.
[1:47:32] » Uh I've indicated it for so that
council's aware, but council gave staff
[1:47:37] the authority to negotiate the price and
I've indicated what we've negotiated.
[1:47:43] Fine.
>> So, at this point, we're seeking
[1:47:46] council's uh approval to close the road.
>> So, so essentially, as I indicated,
[1:47:53] except for the Bruce Trail. So, thank
you for the clarification.
[1:47:58] » What do you mean?
>> Well, he um councelor Magdalo indicated
[1:48:02] that he thought that we were giving the
land to the Bruce Trail when in fact we
[1:48:06] are going to receive
>> payment for it.
[1:48:08] » I didn't understand his last.
>> Sorry, microphone.
[1:48:12] microphone, please.
>> My last my last comment was that um the
[1:48:16] indic what I'd indicated as being the
conditions of this uh movement was
[1:48:22] agreed to essentially by the clerk.
>> Yeah.
[1:48:28] Yeah. So, so this we've talked about
this a number of times now. We we talked
[1:48:32] about it um recently where we went over
again what exactly the pieces pieces
[1:48:38] were where we gave we gave permission
for them to for the the staff to take
[1:48:44] over as the staff should be. It's not a
council position um to to do the
[1:48:49] negotiating for the sale. it is our it
is our job to deem it deem it um surplus
[1:48:55] and then now that it's been deemed
surplus and there's been negotiations
[1:48:58] it's our it's our job to to close it but
that's that's all
[1:49:06] » yeah and as I understand it once you've
deemed something surplus there are
[1:49:10] different ways of disposing of that land
one of which is negotiation and and
[1:49:16] council did in fact instruct staff to
negotiate
[1:49:19] as opposed to um you know real estate
listings and and that kind of thing.
[1:49:26] Yeah. Okay. Any further questions or
comments on the uh recommendation? I've
[1:49:30] read the motion.
>> Any opposed to the motion? And that
[1:49:34] motion is carried.
>> Thank you, staff.
[1:49:36] » And if we can uh get uh deputy mayor
back.
[1:49:44] Next uh item on the agenda is the EV
charging station renewal.
[1:49:50] And who on staff would like to uh
address that?
[1:49:55] Uh I wrote the uh report your worship.
So this is uh basically carrying on with
[1:50:01] the same uh agreement under the same
terms that the council has had for the
[1:50:07] two stations uh at this building. uh
with the exception that the
[1:50:11] reimbursement for the electricity costs
that we bear has increased slightly but
[1:50:17] they are sufficient to cover our costs
for that we pay for electricity.
[1:50:21] » Okay. I don't appear to have a motion on
that. Am I missing something?
[1:50:26] » Uh I can read what there is a prepared
motion but I can read it out if you
[1:50:30] don't have it in front.
>> Okay. that we introduce and give the
[1:50:34] necessary readings to a bylaw
authorizing the town of Mono to enter
[1:50:39] into a memorandum of understanding with
the county of Duffren for the operation
[1:50:44] and maintenance of electric vehicle
charging stations substantially in the
[1:50:49] form is attached as schedule A to the
bylaw and that it be signed by the mayor
[1:50:53] and the clerk for the town of Mono
sealed and engrossed in the bylaw book.
[1:50:57] » Thank you. And I did find it and that's
what the the motion says. Yes, moved.
[1:51:00] Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by
councelor Davey.
[1:51:04] » Uh any uh any opposition?
>> Oh.
[1:51:06] » Oh. Any questions?
>> Yeah. Before we vote, we want to discuss
[1:51:09] right cuz this is with particularly with
our new climate change action committee
[1:51:13] and all that things that have to do with
electrical stuff is important. I I have
[1:51:18] a question. How come we are now doing
this 9 months after the terms say that
[1:51:24] they're going to start discussions 6
months before the end of the term? Have
[1:51:28] we have did did that happen? Why why did
it Yeah. So why did it take so long?
[1:51:38] » Staff had staff has been in
communications with the county and I
[1:51:42] believe it just fell off their plate
>> because it's a it's a uh whatever. I
[1:51:49] mean, it's just something that you might
as well um do things on time and
[1:51:53] » like missing a water sample that you
didn't have a calendar.
[1:51:57] » Oh, yeah. But it's a lot of it's a lot
of months. It's it's a lot of months,
[1:52:01] right?
>> It it fell off, I believe, the county's
[1:52:03] uh list and we poked them to get this
agreeouou uh running again.
[1:52:09] » Thank you. Because I I would assume this
is a county thing, then this would also
[1:52:12] be an county project to have the
chargers at all the towns. I would
[1:52:17] imagine that all of the towns have been
a little delayed in it all too, right?
[1:52:21] » I'm not 100% who entered intoUS with the
county, but I think a lot of the lower
[1:52:26] tiers did at least for one station. We
asked for Mono Center at the same time.
[1:52:30] You you may recall, but uh we've failed
on that application twice now. MTO
[1:52:36] doesn't deem it to be what's the
utilization like? Um that was what
[1:52:42] triggered the uh that question was what
triggered the actual u finding out that
[1:52:47] theou was we were trying to get our uh
um our heads wrapped around the
[1:52:53] utilization and that that I believe has
has or will be provided very soon from
[1:53:01] the county. I don't think I don't think
you're
[1:53:05] um I don't think you're going to fall
over with the amount of ve they're not
[1:53:09] waiting in line to get out there. Um but
there has been some weekend utilization
[1:53:13] we've seen.
>> Um we see the odd 6:00 in the morning
[1:53:17] person out there. Uh but we don't see a
lot of daytime use. Um um yeah. So,
[1:53:24] » okay.
>> I was just going to say that they Oh,
[1:53:27] sorry.
>> The the county has provided those
[1:53:29] figures about
>> for for all of the charging stations
[1:53:33] about 6 months ago, but I off the top I
can't remember them. They You're right.
[1:53:37] I don't think anyone would fall off
their chair looking at the numbers, but
[1:53:40] they are being used. Yeah, I I firmly
believe that there there's the community
[1:53:46] centers would probably be uh they would
get utilized at the weddings and at the
[1:53:50] um but uh destination and wayfinding I
think people are coming to Monocliffs
[1:53:56] with with a full charge and and and
they're they're they're not uh but it is
[1:54:02] there it's a service provided and uh and
it's pretty good. Well,
[1:54:07] » well, and also thank you very much,
Mayor, because also in theou there it is
[1:54:11] it is a cost to the town, right? It's a
it's it's nice that they give us the the
[1:54:15] couple of fractions of a cent back for
whatever, but but the actual having to
[1:54:19] plow around it and make sure it's okay
and and everything is is is a cost to
[1:54:23] our to our public works department,
right?
[1:54:25] » We plow in the parking lot anyway.
>> I know, but not delicately around
[1:54:29] something so that things could get
there. You could just kind of plow a
[1:54:33] little differently if you didn't have a
very expensive piece of equipment in the
[1:54:36] middle.
>> Your question.
[1:54:38] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[1:54:39] » We we moved a few signs to make it
easier for us. They're at the out the
[1:54:43] outside of where they probably should
be, but uh um it does fit a fullsize
[1:54:48] loader in there now, which is uh so
people can get access to the uh the
[1:54:53] station, but there is there was a
minimal impact to it.
[1:54:57] » Okay.
>> Okay. Good. Thank you.
[1:54:58] » So, we have a motion on the floor. Is
there any opposition to? Seeing none,
[1:55:03] motion passes. Then we get to uh this
exotic thing called a joint compliance
[1:55:08] audit committee report. And I'll read
the motion and then we'll have
[1:55:13] discussion. The council receives uh
staff report joint compliance audit
[1:55:18] committee 2026 municipal and school
board elections dated July 31st, 2026.
[1:55:25] And that council approves the
establishment of a joint compliance
[1:55:28] audit committee for the 2026 to 2030
term and delegate authority to the clerk
[1:55:36] to appoint members in accordance with
the approved terms of reference. And
[1:55:41] further that we introduce and give the
necessary readings to a bylaw to
[1:55:44] establish a joint compliance audit
committee that it be signed by the mayor
[1:55:48] and clerk for the town of Mono sealed
and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I
[1:55:52] have a mover for that? Deputy Mayor,
seconded by Councelor Capes. Uh,
[1:55:57] questions and discussion.
Who wants to go first?
[1:56:03] And has this ever been used? That's my
question. Have we ever had to uh to use
[1:56:08] it?
>> Jessica,
[1:56:10] » my understanding is that no, we the town
of Mono has not had a request for a
[1:56:16] compliance audit and I'm not aware of
any from the other participating
[1:56:19] municipalities either.
>> Excuse me. Yes. Go ahead. In the last
[1:56:24] election, or was it two elections ago,
we had one person who ran for the school
[1:56:28] board who did not file their financial
statements and was banned from running
[1:56:33] for the next election. I I'm not going
to name that person. So, somebody must
[1:56:36] have
my assumption is that finding must have
[1:56:40] been done by an audit compliance
committee, wasn't it, Fred?
[1:56:44] » I believe that was a school board that
was administered by a different
[1:56:47] municipality.
What
[1:56:52] do you mean this municipality?
>> Yeah, school boards uh one municipality
[1:56:58] in each writing for a school board
oversees it for all the municipalities
[1:57:03] within that writing.
>> It's probably East GR
[1:57:07] » different school board. He's a very busy
fellow.
[1:57:11] » Okay, a motion's on the floor. I'll call
the vote. Any opposed? Seeing none, the
[1:57:16] motion carries. Closed
meeting investigate investigator
[1:57:22] services. Um I'll read the motion. uh
that council receives the closed meeting
[1:57:28] investigator services report dated July
31st, 2026 and that council directs
[1:57:33] staff to take take the necessary steps
to transition the town's closed meeting
[1:57:39] investigator program to the Ontario
OMBbudsman effective July January 1st
[1:57:44] 2027 upon expiry of the local uh L
program. Do I have a mover for that?
[1:57:53] Uh, councelor Davyy, seconded by
councelor Magalo. Questions, discussion.
[1:58:00] Has this ever been uh
utilized, invoked, or otherwise relied
[1:58:06] upon?
>> What the
[1:58:09] » Have we ever had a a closed meeting
complaint, I guess, is what I'm I'm
[1:58:12] asking.
>> Yes. Right.
[1:58:17] No, we've not had a closed meeting
complaint in uh in my term of uh as
[1:58:22] clerk
>> but if you read the ombbudsman report
[1:58:25] which is in schedule A that is kind of
the thing that is a problem for the
[1:58:30] councils right the ombbudsman does a
whole bunch of stuff and with respect to
[1:58:33] councils it's very often what's happened
>> my question was specific to this council
[1:58:38] » right okay
>> Fred
[1:58:40] » and I just want to clarify uh so when we
were with LA the ombbudsman was not
[1:58:45] doing closed meeting investigations on
the town of Mono, but they were still
[1:58:50] doing other types of investigations.
>> Yeah.
[1:58:54] » Which is why Mono was included in their
most recent report.
[1:58:59] » Okay.
Thank you. Any other questions,
[1:59:02] comments? Any opposition? Motion
carries. Next item on the agenda is the
[1:59:10] um
>> Ontario Land
[1:59:13] » the Ontario Land Tribunal Appeal. And
I'll put the motion on the floor that
[1:59:17] council receives staff report Ontario
Land Tribunal Appeal 20 Medel Drive
[1:59:23] dated August 17th, 2026. Moved by
Deputy Mayor, seconded by Councelor
[1:59:30] Magalo. Is there any discussion? I think
this is just informing us that the
[1:59:34] matter is going to appeal.
[1:59:38] So, is it the wish of council to uh to
support this?
[1:59:43] » And the motion is carried accordingly.
>> Um,
[1:59:50] » we're just receiving.
>> We're just receiving it. Yeah. Motion is
[1:59:53] to receive.
>> So, the next motion has to do with
[1:59:57] ebikes. Now, read it and then we can
have discussion. Whereas in Ontario,
[2:00:01] ebikes and e- scooters are regulated by
provincial law under the Ontario Highway
[2:00:06] Traffic Act. Local municipalities have
the final say on whether they are
[2:00:11] permitted on their public sidewalks,
bike lanes or roads and public
[2:00:15] properties such as parks. And whereas
ebikes and e scooters are becoming more
[2:00:20] popular and whereas uh there has been an
increased number of deaths and injuries
[2:00:26] related to these forms of
transportation. And whereas Mono has
[2:00:30] experienced damage to paved surfaces on
our uh in our public parks with costs
[2:00:36] incurred by taxpayers for repair and
whereas no municip
[2:00:41] municipalities in Duffren have opted uh
into the provincial pilot program.
[2:00:46] Therefore, be it resolved that council
hereby declare uh that the use of ebikes
[2:00:51] remains subject to the highway traffic
act rules and e- scooters uh will be
[2:00:56] considered illegal for use on public
roads, sidewalks, trails, parks within
[2:01:01] the town of Mooney and only permissible
on private property. And you'd like to
[2:01:05] move that to councelor Cage?
>> Yes, I'd like to move that. And I know
[2:01:08] that you have additional information
about this through the OP. I'm I'm happy
[2:01:13] to second it and and open it up for
discussion.
[2:01:16] » Right. Okay.
>> Uh councelor Davy.
[2:01:21] » Thank you very much Elaine for bringing
this forward. It's a hot topic everybody
[2:01:25] around. Um I'm not everybody around all
the municipalities are being concerned
[2:01:30] about the problem with the motion that I
see it is there's a discussion you you
[2:01:34] open up by ebikes and e- scooters
and the the
[2:01:40] it
damage that we had was by e ebikes not e
[2:01:45] scooters right like because the tires
were so much bigger the tires on the e
[2:01:50] scooters are quite narrow versus that
that pattern that we saw on the rubber
[2:01:56] at Island Lake Park. Was Island Lake
Park. Was Island Lake Park. So, at any
[2:02:00] rate, there
>> we have proof of that.
[2:02:02] » Well, we saw the pictures and if you see
the equipment, but anyway, never mind. I
[2:02:06] digress. What what what what what really
what really is is that that the
[2:02:11] education, I think, is what we need as
opposed to just a motion that says
[2:02:15] banning because they already are not
allowed. You can't you can't be on one
[2:02:19] of these things if you're under 16. You
have to be on on a helmet. They're not
[2:02:23] allowed on the on the roads. They just
the the opting program.
[2:02:29] Um what did what did you call it? The
the pilot program. The pilot program is
[2:02:33] to override the illegalness of them and
say you can have them. So it's kind of
[2:02:39] not necessary for us to ban them, but I
actually really believe that it's
[2:02:43] necessary for us to get um education out
there. education that that these are
[2:02:48] illegal, that parents shouldn't be
buying from for their kids, their kids
[2:02:51] shouldn't be riding them, and they're
very dangerous, and that you will be
[2:02:54] fined by the by the police, which who
have got a because of there's been some
[2:02:59] deaths, they've got a a um a mandate and
and an interest to be doing something,
[2:03:05] but we also know they have a mandate and
interest to stop speeding on airport
[2:03:08] road and do all these like there's just
so much. So, I'm wondering is there
[2:03:12] something that we could some
brainstorming adding that we could in
[2:03:16] some way as opposed to just making this
statement and saying we're banning it to
[2:03:20] somehow increase education in our
community to keep our people safe?
[2:03:24] » I I can speak to that and then I'll
recognize Ralph. Um the the OP is going
[2:03:30] to launch a public education uh program
around this and we have a um a police
[2:03:36] services board meeting tomorrow that
I'll be attending. uh and the topic is
[2:03:40] on their agenda. So the public education
uh is in fact occurring. Uh I think as
[2:03:46] well it's it's occurring because of of a
motion like this that reminds everybody
[2:03:52] that we are not part of the uh pilot
program that provisions of the highway
[2:03:56] traffic act still apply even if we were
part of the pilot program. You're
[2:04:01] correct in that regard. Uh and um this
is in response to uh many phone calls
[2:04:08] that um we we've all probably received
uh of the uh reckless use of these
[2:04:14] devices and and it's occurring in our
subdivisions, it's occurring u
[2:04:18] elsewhere. Um, and you know, whether or
not the culprit in the case of the uh of
[2:04:25] the the park was one of these devices, I
think we're sending a signal to the
[2:04:29] public that this is this is just not on
and there are many municipalities that
[2:04:33] opted into the pilot program that wish
they hadn't. Um, Ralph and then Melinda.
[2:04:38] Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[2:04:39] » Yeah. Um, did you want to follow up on
>> Well, just Yeah, just the the the
[2:04:45] clarification between e scooters,
they're definitely they're all illegal.
[2:04:48] They're selling them at Costco. You who
knows why people sell the stuff they do,
[2:04:52] but you they're illegal. But the ebike
situation is it's nuanced. So the the
[2:04:58] motorcycle the mo the dirt bikes and so
on that are that have the have the power
[2:05:04] in their in their motor with a throttle
to be able to burn rubber like you're
[2:05:10] doing in your car when you pull donuts
or whatever or when you muck up our new
[2:05:14] thing. Those are a different entity than
just ebikes in general which are pedal
[2:05:20] assisted and you're only ever going to
get the amount of energy out of it that
[2:05:24] I mean some they're throttle not thrott
throttle is not the right word. They're
[2:05:27] they're held back to be not not able to
go as fast. They don't have as much
[2:05:31] oomph in their motor and in order to get
the oomph to go you have have to put
[2:05:35] your physical as opposed to just turning
a throttle like a motorcycle. So, I
[2:05:39] would like a little bit more
clarification in here because I don't
[2:05:43] want we have we have terrific trails
that in our in our community that we
[2:05:48] maintain that we do like bicyclists to
use and nowadays e ebikes are eassed
[2:05:56] bikes are not banned. They are allowed.
They are encouraged. It's it it's here
[2:06:03] to stay. But these other ones, they're
illegal.
[2:06:07] Would would it would it assist if we we
modified the the wording to say e
[2:06:13] devices?
>> Say to say what?
[2:06:15] » E devices.
>> No, it's confusing.
[2:06:17] » Okay, Ralph, go ahead and then Fred.
>> So, couple of comments and a suggestion.
[2:06:23] Um I agree with you. Um
>> Mike, couple of comments and a
[2:06:28] suggestion. I agree with you, Melinda.
Um I I doubt that ebikes could you can
[2:06:33] burn rubber with them. I have one. I'm
not an expert in them, but you certainly
[2:06:37] need to uh pedal uh in order to get the
assistance to work. And it's really hard
[2:06:42] to burn rubber. I think it's must have
been something something else that was
[2:06:46] in our damaging our tennis court. The I
think your purpose here is to u bring uh
[2:06:53] this issue this issue of uh scooters uh
into the public understanding. Um they
[2:07:00] already are banned. They're not allowed.
that's part of the highway act and
[2:07:05] they're banned unless we enter a pilot
project which we're not. So this this um
[2:07:11] uh statement that they'll be considered
illegal. I don't quite think we got to
[2:07:16] do that because they are illegal. Maybe
what you'd like to do is to change the
[2:07:20] word considered to recognized and it
would sound like this. Da da da da.
[2:07:25] declare that the use of ebikes remain
subject to highway traffic acts and that
[2:07:29] e- scooters will be considered will will
be recognized I should say will be
[2:07:35] recognized because people don't
recognize them right now and that is a
[2:07:39] part of the public education to which I
think John and you are both talking
[2:07:42] about the way it reads right now it
suggests that we're trying to ban them
[2:07:45] or not because they already are banned
so my my my um uh friendly amendment is
[2:07:51] to change considered should be
considered I think to recognized.
[2:07:58] » Recognized as illegal.
>> Um, recognized as illegal. Yes.
[2:08:02] » Any problem with that? I'm fine with
that.
[2:08:05] » Yeah. So, recognized as illegal. Fred,
>> can I just ask an ignorant question?
[2:08:12] An ebike is like a bike that you own.
Ralph.
[2:08:15] » Yep.
>> And that's I I know it's been written on
[2:08:18] the seventh line. That that is illegal.
That
[2:08:21] » No, no, it's not illegal. Ebikes are are
quite legal.
[2:08:25] » They're quite legal.
>> Yes.
[2:08:27] » Okay.
>> Yeah. Under the Highway Traffic Act.
[2:08:29] » Okay. Because we're just saying in the
in the therefore clause, we're just
[2:08:32] saying e scooters.
>> That's right.
[2:08:34] » Okay.
>> And and and that's the operative part of
[2:08:37] the motion. Everything else is is
probably
[2:08:40] » Yeah.
>> I guess if we really wanted to educate
[2:08:44] people, which is the purpose of this,
though I still stand by. Thanks that the
[2:08:48] OP is coming out, but I I'd like Mono to
do something. I I would like it on our
[2:08:52] Facebook page. I'd like it at our at our
um environmental uh control party in in
[2:08:58] October that you know, yeah, yeah, it's
great to have these e things, but be
[2:09:01] responsible or whatever. But it's the
it's the e motorbike as opposed to the e
[2:09:07] pedal bike.
>> I think is maybe a distinction that
[2:09:10] those e dirt bikes are not allowed on
the road. And in mono, cuz I'm a dirt
[2:09:16] biker, you're not even allowed to have
your dirt bike on the your engine dirt
[2:09:20] bike on the road, right? You guys made
that law before I showed up. So the I I
[2:09:24] think it's important to not remove the
the bicycle part of it so that people
[2:09:29] are are or not bicycle, the bike part of
it, and to to somehow put in there um so
[2:09:35] I I would use the word the expression
dirt bikes because that's what they are.
[2:09:38] They're they're an off-road real
off-road bicycle as opposed to just a
[2:09:42] mountain ebike that's pedal assisted,
but
[2:09:47] » if your microphone was on
>> Well, I'm not sure what your uh
[2:09:51] » Go ahead. Um
>> I'm not quite sure what you're
[2:09:53] suggesting the change would be.
>> Yeah, I didn't understand.
[2:09:56] » And by the way, we made this rule before
you came because we'd heard you were
[2:10:00] coming.
>> I only go where I'm allowed to go, so
[2:10:04] not to worry. But the but yeah the the
the change only because only well
[2:10:09] because your your whereas is all start.
So if we're only going to change the
[2:10:12] bottom to a there therefore for for
>> then then we need to also I think cons
[2:10:19] take into account if we're going to
change it I think we need to take into
[2:10:22] account that the expression ebikes is a
bit too too broad and misleading in
[2:10:27] contrast to e scooters cuz e scooter you
there's no way to make a move except for
[2:10:32] standing on it and pulling the throttle
right or no I guess you could pet I
[2:10:36] guess you could
>> push whatever but you don't right so
[2:10:39] anyway the whole thing is just a little
bit um cumbersome. So
[2:10:43] » I I I I think the the the amendment to
recognize
[2:10:48] illegal is is important and and I I
think it captures it. Uh I think we we
[2:10:54] do need to send a signal that even the
conventional dirt bike, we've all seen
[2:10:59] examples of people not wearing helmets
and and uh uh not being insured uh not
[2:11:05] being plated for those devices and uh
that is troublesome. that is very
[2:11:10] troublesome
>> and and for education with respect to
[2:11:13] this buying these these um uh toys for
your children. Um there was a um lawyer
[2:11:20] I saw on social media trying to get the
message out.
[2:11:24] » Really good.
>> Really good saying that you know as
[2:11:27] parents for these people under 16 like
you're liable. You're liable on many
[2:11:31] fronts if something should happen. Never
mind the guilt that you'll feel when
[2:11:34] your kid's head gets smushed. Right.
Yeah.
[2:11:37] » Well, and and the the that that post is
uh is is exceptionally helpful because
[2:11:43] it points out that if uh if uh a rider
of one of these these devices uh hits a
[2:11:49] pedestrian, the pedestrian can counters
sue
[2:11:53] » the parents.
>> And you know, the whole thing uh
[2:11:57] devolves into a world of hurt for
everybody concerned.
[2:12:01] » Mhm. Well, that's partially my reason
for bringing this forward was the whole
[2:12:06] let's get people's attention about this.
And I know that Orangeville did make a
[2:12:11] declaration
um not just opt out of the program. They
[2:12:16] made a declaration that these were not
legal. Now they have more sidewalks and
[2:12:21] more places where you know these could
be encountered. But I thought after our
[2:12:27] conversation about what happened in our
own park um that you know we should make
[2:12:34] a statement and yes there's a lot of
education that needs to happen and we
[2:12:38] were in Vaughn the other day and these
things are rampant. They're everywhere.
[2:12:42] People are driving them on every road
down the like main streets. They even
[2:12:47] have you know how you used to get a
bicycle, you could use the bicycle and
[2:12:51] return it at another station. They even
have these at those stations now. They
[2:12:56] do provide a helmet, but still people
are getting on them. They don't know.
[2:13:00] Anyway, so
>> they're pretty prevalent in all.
[2:13:03] » I appreciate the conversation.
>> Um
[2:13:06] Fred and Jessica, can we look into
having a something on the website that
[2:13:10] maybe picks up um from another
municipality the um uh the message?
[2:13:16] There are some very good municipal
messages out there on this. We'll do a
[2:13:20] scan and we will certainly follow the
OP's lead as well.
[2:13:24] » Yeah. Okay. Good. So, with the amendment
uh on consent to recognize uh illegal as
[2:13:31] opposed to consider illegal, uh any
opposition to the motion? Seeing none,
[2:13:36] it carries.
>> Thank you.
[2:13:41] And um finally, but not last, I have a
motion that we introduce and give the
[2:13:47] necessary readings to a bylaw to appoint
a town clerk and deputy clerk of the
[2:13:53] corporation of the town of Mono that it
be signed by the mayor and clerk sealed
[2:13:58] and engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I
have a mover for that? Oh,
[2:14:02] » move it by councelor Cape, seconded by
councelor Magalo. Uh questions,
[2:14:07] comments?
Go ahead. Uh, and then
[2:14:13] » maybe I'm confusing things, but clerk
and deputy clerk.
[2:14:19] So, clerk is Jessica.
Deputy clerk, is that not our CEO?
[2:14:28] » So, Les and I are actually appointed
under another bylaw. Uh should there be
[2:14:33] it is my job descript in my job
description as deputy clerk and I was
[2:14:38] but the bylaw I as I understand it from
Jessica uh that appointed me as CEO uh
[2:14:46] also included uh my contract and and
other things and then less was appointed
[2:14:51] at another bylaw because we had some
absenteeism at one point right
[2:14:55] » um so you're you're well covered
>> um and Fred will another bylaw will come
[2:15:01] back in November, which will be a sad
sad bylaw saying goodbye to our newest
[2:15:08] deputy clerk. Um, so there will be some
some definitely a few bylaws and then
[2:15:13] Jessica and I will speak about whether
we want to do an all-encompassing bylaw.
[2:15:17] Okay.
>> Uh to uh um
[2:15:19] » so it's us. Great. Thank you.
>> It's a demotion now and then uh worse
[2:15:24] news in the fall.
>> So we we are a municipality that's
[2:15:28] blessed with three deputy clerks.
>> Yes.
[2:15:30] » Right. Yeah.
>> Go ahead, Frank.
[2:15:33] » I just wanted to know if the the
demotion from clerk to deputy clerk,
[2:15:36] does it change the position on the
salary grid?
[2:15:39] » Absolutely.
>> That might affect his attendance. So, uh
[2:15:47] » any any further attempts at humor?
>> Any opposed?
[2:15:54] Congratulations, Jessica.
>> Thank you.
[2:16:11] Happy to be here.
>> You can trade chairs, too.
[2:16:18] » But at this point, uh, Miss Kennedy will
take over as clerk of the meeting.
[2:16:23] » Yes. Excellent.
>> Thank you.
[2:16:27] » Thank you. and and uh there's lots of
times for uh uh tribute and uh uh
[2:16:33] memories u Fred. So you haven't heard
the last from us.
[2:16:40] Okay. Schedule A. I have a motion that
we accept schedule A to this agenda.
[2:16:44] » We have other
[2:16:48] » we're up to schedule A.
>> Yep. A
[2:16:52] » we are.
So I do I have a mover and a secondary
[2:16:56] to schedule A and then we can dive into
it. Moved by councelor Davyy, seconded
[2:17:00] by councelor Capes. Um items on schedule
A. Um councelor Capesh sent two in. I
[2:17:08] believe
>> I sent two in.
[2:17:11] » And I have a few when you
>> Okay. So councelor Capes first then Fred
[2:17:16] and we'll move down the table
>> if they haven't been discussed already.
[2:17:20] » Yep.
>> Okay. One that I didn't put on the
[2:17:23] » one that I didn't put on the list was
number five. And I just want to make a
[2:17:26] quick comment because I think that uh
livestock is already included in the
[2:17:31] county's emergency planning.
>> Fred acknowledges that. Yes, it is.
[2:17:36] That's true.
>> So going straight was that your only
[2:17:40] comment on that could cuz can can I
clarify you want to build on that? Well,
[2:17:45] big thank you because it was on my list
to ask for clarification because we got
[2:17:49] this letter and now because it's a
number of weeks later that's it goes on
[2:17:53] to the schedule A for the public to see.
But it was a very good letter and a very
[2:17:56] good points and and and
seem to be asking for a lot more of the
[2:18:01] actual logistics like who are going to
be the volunteers who are going to come
[2:18:04] and put my horse cuz I don't have a
trailer in when we're evacuated and
[2:18:08] everything. And so the the answer was
that yes, Duffren it's in the animals
[2:18:12] are in the plan for preparedness. But
does the Duffren does it does it go as
[2:18:18] much as what this letter said? That's
what I wanted to to clarify.
[2:18:22] » That's what I wanted to clarify.
>> Okay.
[2:18:24] » Oops. But now we have to wait cuz that
stopped everything.
[2:18:27] » We we did we lose our internet.
>> It looks like it stopped.
[2:18:33] I would recommend your worship. We give
uh Andrew a few minutes to uh get
[2:18:37] everything back online. Confirm that
we're online and streaming before we
[2:18:41] carry on.
>> So Andrew, if you can confirm when
[2:18:44] everything is back and ready and that
we're streaming,
[2:18:52] » that was too quick for the generator to
kick in.
[2:18:54] » They didn't kick in. No, but this seemed
And this I don't know.
[2:18:58] It looks like the stream is still
active. Oh,
[2:19:01] » okay.
>> Okay. Thank you,
[2:19:02] » Fred. You had a a comment.
>> Yeah. So, I've reached out to uh uh
[2:19:07] Steve Murphy, who is the county
emergency coordinator, and asked that
[2:19:12] this go on to uh the next countywide um
Duffren Joint Emergency Management
[2:19:18] Committee for further discussion. To
your point, councelor Davey, our
[2:19:22] emergency plan includes more than just a
list of uh of vendors and service
[2:19:29] suppliers. So, we do have that list of
various livestock and dead stock and
[2:19:35] other uh vendors in the agricultural
area, but the plan also lays out certain
[2:19:41] specific actions uh in the event of an
emergency. I think there are some good
[2:19:46] points in the letter uh which is why I
forwarded it to uh Steve Murphy and I'm
[2:19:52] looking for the uh the entire county to
have a discussion on if there's further
[2:19:58] steps that we should consider.
>> Yeah, that's great.
[2:20:01] » Thank you. Thank you. That's great.
Good.
[2:20:03] » Okay. So, so thank you Melinda. And I
want my
[2:20:08] two that I submitted to want to speak to
was uh 15 and 21. So number 15,
[2:20:19] » right? So
[2:20:23] what this does
is it means that any property that we
[2:20:28] had identified
as having potential for heritage
[2:20:33] designation
can now be as of January 27th
[2:20:39] destroyed without us being informed.
So,
[2:20:46] um perhaps if we can
somehow convince people to want to rally
[2:20:54] around doing more uh designations
uh of those that are in the top of those
[2:21:03] that we don't want to see lost and those
that we think are at the greatest
[2:21:07] threat. Um that's that's the the fallout
of this. Can I ask a question on that? U
[2:21:15] go ahead. To
>> to do that, we we would need a heritage
[2:21:19] committee. Do we still have a heritage
committee?
[2:21:21] » We would have to reestablish a heritage
committee,
[2:21:25] » but but we we only have 3 months to do
that in
[2:21:31] » they can work fast.
>> Okay.
[2:21:33] » Okay.
The the other suggestion that has been
[2:21:37] made by um members of the former former
members of the heritage committee would
[2:21:42] be to um uh create a a list of historic
properties of interest
[2:21:49] to replace what was here to for on the
registry.
[2:21:53] » Mhm.
>> And I sort of like that idea. I think it
[2:21:56] should be voluntary. I don't think it
will be a hard uh hard cell to get
[2:22:00] people who are formally part of the
registry to uh participate but at least
[2:22:05] it would uh uh create a record of what
uh we had um uh previously designated
[2:22:13] for purposes of the registry
>> right and we don't lose that
[2:22:18] we lose the fact that it's listed
identified somewhere but we still have
[2:22:24] the list of those properties it's not
like that disappears. But I like that
[2:22:28] idea and I was thinking similarly, we
did once upon a time do this, held an
[2:22:34] open house and invited people who were
on the list to come and voluntarily step
[2:22:41] up to have their property designated. So
if we wanted to, but that's a commitment
[2:22:46] in financial terms that we haven't
budgeted for
[2:22:52] necessarily. if like 10 of those people
come forward, we're looking at money and
[2:22:59] um anyway, it's it's worth having a
little more review on and maybe um
[2:23:07] maybe going back to some of those
individuals that were
[2:23:12] uh on a heritage committee and
reinstating a heritage committee and
[2:23:17] inviting people to um to come together.
In fact, I'm not sure we actually need a
[2:23:25] heritage committee to designate
properties, but Fred or Jessica will
[2:23:29] correct me on that.
>> Uh if council establishes a uh heritage
[2:23:36] committee, then it's been delegated to
that committee. However, if council
[2:23:40] doesn't establish such a committee,
council still has the authority under
[2:23:44] the act to designate properties. Right.
>> They would just have to have some other
[2:23:48] resources.
>> Yes. Yes.
[2:23:50] » Do the paperwork.
>> Right. Thank you.
[2:23:53] » Uh Ralph,
um so Ela and I have had this
[2:23:58] conversation a little bit. Um and the uh
I think you're you're right. We do have
[2:24:02] a list and but that becomes unofficial
after this and hope it's in somebody's
[2:24:08] portfolio somewhere. Um, but I think
that the idea of having a spe a special
[2:24:14] um list of properties of interest is is
a is a good one because that would be a
[2:24:19] come a private list of our our town at
all and it's not that not regulated by
[2:24:24] regulation and it would just be
something that we've done for ourselves
[2:24:28] and we would uh I think that would
probably provide some ability to follow
[2:24:32] up with in a meaningful way. What I
thought
[2:24:36] » I thought that this new thing that's
happening in January 1st is that if it
[2:24:40] hasn't if a propertyy's on a list and it
hasn't been designated by that date,
[2:24:44] you're not going to be able to do it.
That was the point.
[2:24:47] » No, they're actually they're actually
abolishing the the registry.
[2:24:50] » Yeah. So
>> abolishing that list.
[2:24:54] » Well, that that's right. So abolishing
the list means we can't have like I'm
[2:24:58] not quite sure what we can do.
>> I I I I disagree. I think we can have
[2:25:01] our own our own list of notable
properties. Um it doesn't have the
[2:25:07] strength or or it's not binding uh in
the same way that uh it used to be, but
[2:25:13] it becomes a record of historic
historically significant properties in
[2:25:19] the town. And I'm happy to indicate that
I'll bring them I'm going to do a notice
[2:25:25] of motion for the next meeting to create
such a list.
[2:25:28] » Right. So Melinda to to your point
what happens with the January 12 27th
[2:25:36] date is those properties are not now
considered under that provincial uh
[2:25:43] legislation to be listed and therefore
that they couldn't be demolished. That's
[2:25:49] the only thing. So what will happen is
that disappears but we could have our
[2:25:55] that same list and keep that list. We
just wouldn't be notified if any of
[2:26:01] those properties sought a building
permit and demolition permit. That's the
[2:26:07] change. So, we can still keep those.
>> So, but list of names or properties.
[2:26:12] » Great. But what are we going to what are
we going to what are we going to do with
[2:26:15] it? The ultimate uh point of the list I
thought was I properties that were of
[2:26:20] interest. So that then and they had
hundreds of them so that then they would
[2:26:25] go through ultimately in due course not
knowing that that the there was some
[2:26:29] sort of a deadline so close that they
would go through them in due course and
[2:26:33] actually not just register them but
definitely designate them.
[2:26:38] » Yes, that's true. So, but you're not
even allowed to do that anymore because
[2:26:42] you can designate them and that list
doesn't matter. We can now say that list
[2:26:48] isn't here. We'll create a new list.
It's the same list. And now we're going
[2:26:51] to use that list and we can determine we
can do an invitation out to the
[2:26:56] community that's on that list. Open
house. See who wants to designate their
[2:27:00] property.
>> Okay.
[2:27:02] » And move forward. All right.
>> I don't I don't think it precludes uh
[2:27:06] voluntary designations. If somebody
comes forward and says, "Uh,
[2:27:10] » uh, I'd like to have my, uh, my home
designated," we would go through an
[2:27:14] investigation with a reconstituted
committee.
[2:27:18] » Um, and we'd be guided by the fact that,
uh, uh, previously that property may or
[2:27:24] may not have been on the registry, which
no longer exists. And, uh, you know,
[2:27:29] governments change and maybe a registry
will come back. Who knows? I don't know
[2:27:33] why it's going away.
>> Yeah. Anyway, so
[2:27:36] » because they want to dem
build more homes.
[2:27:40] » They want to allow people to demolish
properties. You're right. You're right.
[2:27:43] » New new homes. I have no idea.
>> Well, because they're appreciating that
[2:27:46] they weren't supposed to take the green
belt. So, where else can we take some
[2:27:49] land? Oh, right. Let's take land from
places that are already have houses on
[2:27:53] them. I think I don't.
All right. Well, well, I mean, I I I uh
[2:27:58] this is was an extremely disappointing
thing to see that, you know, we've
[2:28:01] looked at your your um your comments on
a short period of time and we've decided
[2:28:07] not to, right? I mean, that's what the
letter said, which was very
[2:28:10] disappointing.
>> Yeah. Thanks for your comments.
[2:28:13] » They're talking to themselves.
>> Okay. And then I had number 21.
[2:28:21] Let me get there.
[2:28:28] Uh
I think this is timely.
[2:28:32] There are so many municipalities being
asked to uh accept these data centers
[2:28:39] and there are a lot of them being turned
away and causing uh like it's causing
[2:28:45] citizen concern. even here people are
reaching out to me and saying I heard
[2:28:51] this was going to happen in in Mono and
I said no it's not that was Hamilton and
[2:28:55] they turned it down anyway so I I do um
want to support that the county have
[2:29:05] uh a statement on any development
that we are not looking for data centers
[2:29:12] they use a huge amount of water and
power and um I don't see that we
[2:29:21] shouldn't combine and talk about it.
>> Melinda,
[2:29:25] » thank you very much. Maria, this was on
my list only to comment that there's
[2:29:28] this big hoopla around about how it
takes a lot of water and and like the
[2:29:34] like the mega quarry that wants to go
below the water table up to try to get
[2:29:38] to try to get the lime limestone using
water, you know, and so therefore making
[2:29:43] us be worried about our water and having
just had the the recent um delegation
[2:29:48] regarding how, you know, there's only so
much. But for me, what really So, this
[2:29:53] is good. But for me, it's it's okay,
fine. Everybody makes a big stink about
[2:29:57] how you're not supposed to use the
water. Well, then the engineers are just
[2:29:59] going to use air cooled stuff and
electric like they're going to change
[2:30:03] and it will but it's still is the power
that is needed that our infrastructure
[2:30:07] that there won't be enough power to
power our little um station in the
[2:30:12] parking lot, right? I mean that that to
me that's what's really and it's going
[2:30:16] to be very expensive because if they do
need power if we do feel that we really
[2:30:19] need this AI and we and this is the way
to go and we're going to not use water
[2:30:23] to cool it. We're going to we're going
to use um whatever heat pumps and things
[2:30:27] that are that use electricity then we
need to make more electricity
[2:30:32] » and so then it's all going to be very
expensive. So I I would endorse this is
[2:30:37] I'm happy about that, but I want to see
the one that really talks also about
[2:30:41] that energy is a really important part
here that's going to be used.
[2:30:44] » Well, there's more than than than simply
the water as you say. There's the
[2:30:48] energy, but there's also the persistent
hum that originates from these
[2:30:54] structures.
And uh you know we we all know about
[2:30:58] windmills and and uh actually the the
generating stations that windmills rely
[2:31:04] on um emit a noise that is aggravating
to neighbors. But I have a question for
[2:31:09] Mike and that is um somebody comes
through the door uh tomorrow and says I
[2:31:16] want to build a you know 20,000 50,000
uh square foot warehouse.
[2:31:24] Uh and uh they put in the the right
paperwork and it it on the face of it it
[2:31:30] looks just like a warehouse but at some
point they transitioned that into a data
[2:31:36] center.
Um, and they don't run a foul of our
[2:31:40] official plan. They don't run a foul of
our zoning. Uh, because the uh property
[2:31:46] in in question is either currently
allows a warehouse or they make an
[2:31:52] application through the planning process
to create a warehouse and all of a
[2:31:56] sudden we have a data center. Am I too
conspiratorial on that?
[2:32:01] So warehouse would trigger us to think
commercial industrial immediately which
[2:32:06] would uh only occur on a commercial
industrial zone property which is under
[2:32:12] our I'll say OP under OP is under site
plane zoning is under site cycling
[2:32:17] control. Um, so we would uh we would uh
run that warehouse through the uh
[2:32:22] through the ringer with site plane
control that's on title and that would
[2:32:27] limit the uh limit the uses to the
current uses. Now
[2:32:33] some of our commercial property has a
definition for computer logistics
[2:32:42] but I think the definition is repair and
sales of computers. as an allowable. So,
[2:32:50] our definitions definitely don't include
data centers um because they were not a
[2:32:54] thing uh when we did our last OP, but
but it would be on title and they would
[2:32:59] be bound by their uses and they would
have to stay in line with those uses,
[2:33:04] allowable uses. So, and the square
footage definitely would fall under
[2:33:08] zoning allowances.
>> But I'm I'm just wondering about a
[2:33:11] Trojan horse here.
>> Yeah, exactly. Site site plan. you're
[2:33:16] you're thinking
a barn on a property um being you know
[2:33:23] we had a couple at the committee of
adjustment last week where they were
[2:33:27] larger barns above what council and
that's why I think council gets the
[2:33:31] opportunity or sorry committee of
adjustment gets the opportunity to
[2:33:34] manage the square footage of of the uh
of the impact of all land whether it be
[2:33:40] rural and or uh or uh urban commercial
zone. Yeah,
[2:33:45] » rural a is sort of caught under this uh
council of the day said uh uh you know
[2:33:51] if you're if you're wanting to put uh I
forget the number 600 m squared more
[2:33:57] than 600 m squared of of uh coverage on
your property you have to come to the
[2:34:03] committee of adjustment and speak to
>> the committee of adjustment isn't going
[2:34:06] to stop somebody from um obstensively
building a warehouse and then all of a
[2:34:12] sudden it's populated with uh with uh
computer equipment and and massive
[2:34:18] cooling and humming and electricity.
>> So if zoned rural bylaw would have the
[2:34:23] right under the zoning bylaw to uh to
require a site plan agreement.
[2:34:27] » So I guess the bottom line is do we need
to say in our official plan uh that a
[2:34:33] data center data center center as
defined
[2:34:37] is is not a permissible use in the town
of Mono. I would agree there's
[2:34:41] definitely wording with respect to water
takings um and uh and so forth, but
[2:34:48] there's definitely wording that should
occur uh for a whole slew of new new
[2:34:53] things in our OP and in our zoning
allowances. So, councelor Capes, is it
[2:34:57] your wish that we endorse the the
Orangeville uh motion? We can have a
[2:35:01] simple motion of
>> Yes, please. And I think that's really
[2:35:05] good what um our CEO just said and we
can expand that beyond water as Melinda
[2:35:11] was saying to include power
power, you know, use or
[2:35:18] » I think it's a big deal.
>> So we need a we need a a motion on the
[2:35:22] floor moved by seconded by
uh Ralph uh that we support the uh the
[2:35:28] Orangeville
uh motion.
[2:35:33] We have a motion prepared that we could
suggest for council
[2:35:37] » that council for the town of Mono
supports and endorses the resolution
[2:35:41] passed by the town of Orangeville
calling on the county of Duffren to
[2:35:45] undertake a comprehensive review of the
potential advantages and disadvantages
[2:35:50] of new data centers.
>> I so move.
[2:35:53] » Thank you. So we have a mover in a
second or any opposition
[2:35:56] » discussion. Oh, go ahead. Um, when I
first heard when I first heard about
[2:35:59] this, I thought, well, this isn't
Colorado, which is going to be draining
[2:36:04] some big river and these things are
probably not going to come here. But I
[2:36:08] looked up something called ontario data
centers.ca
[2:36:11] and there are 18 applications filed in
the area surrounding uh the greater
[2:36:18] greater Toronto area up to Bmpton.
Nothing above that. But so this is
[2:36:22] something that's on the move. So, I
think it's important that we uh that we
[2:36:26] carry on with this uh motion. I approve
of it. So, we're passing it over to
[2:36:30] Duffren County expecting them to come up
with a a some solutions. Okay.
[2:36:36] » Thank you, Linda.
>> Just a little comment about the whole
[2:36:40] size thing. Do you remember when
computers first came out and they were
[2:36:43] all in a big huge room and it was a
whole bunch of stuff and now we all
[2:36:46] carry it in our pocket. This whole idea
that you know we have used so much that
[2:36:51] we need these. what was the one that the
Mr. Wonderful was doing the size of
[2:36:55] Manhattan or whatever. there's a whole
conglomer bunch of buildings and
[2:36:58] everything and you just think about yeah
when they invent something in a few
[2:37:01] decades and then all those buildings are
useless right what are you going to do
[2:37:06] with them so thinking ahead I think is
very important that the that as you say
[2:37:11] this to to be in our zoning that you can
only come yes come in here make a make a
[2:37:16] um a warehouse but it can only be so big
right
[2:37:21] » okay uh no other discussion any
opposition to the motion seeing on it
[2:37:26] carries. Uh, anything else? Uh, Elaine?
>> Okay, Fred,
[2:37:30] » that was it for me. Thank you so much.
>> Anything from schedule A?
[2:37:34] » Yeah, I had two items. One was item
number six, and that is a letter from
[2:37:39] the county asking the town of Mono to
help them or at least to reach out to
[2:37:44] the town of Mon for input to their
official plan number five. And I have no
[2:37:49] problem with them reaching out and
asking us for input to this process. But
[2:37:53] I have one concern with the whole
official plan amendment number five
[2:37:57] process. And that is that they will be
um coming up with a new plan and looking
[2:38:02] at uh residential land and employment
land. We already know that in their
[2:38:08] written comments they're looking at the
expanding the boundaries of the town of
[2:38:12] Orangeville and all that's fine. But I
in my humbleable view and I'm going to
[2:38:16] sound like a broken record here. They're
missing something in the process which
[2:38:20] is yes that do a land need to study
study and the numbers are this.
[2:38:25] Originally Duff County was to look at a
population of 95,000 by 2051.
[2:38:30] That number has changed several times.
It went up to 117,000 and now it's back
[2:38:34] down to 97,000. It doesn't matter. Most
of that population growth will be in the
[2:38:40] town of Orangeville which has service
services. My concern is that before we
[2:38:44] start changing the official plan and
planning for this increase in
[2:38:47] population, we should be looking at the
question of as to whether or not we have
[2:38:50] the water resources to do it. All the
wells in Orangeville, I think except one
[2:38:55] have a water quantity threat. If if you
read the latest study and the
[2:38:59] presentation we had from Benham from the
Credit Valley Conservation and our
[2:39:03] Cardinal Woods wells have a water
quantity threat. Now, I know there's
[2:39:06] proposed solutions, but in my humble
view, these wells are all drawing from
[2:39:11] the same aquifer, which is fine. And if
the hydro geologists tell us that they
[2:39:16] can withstand the new population
increase, then I'm happy. My my comment
[2:39:20] is though that we we we're missing a
step in official plan number five. We
[2:39:24] should look at the water resources first
and then do the land need to study
[2:39:29] assuming that we have enough land or
enough water for this population
[2:39:33] increase. So, I'm in in agreement with
the letter that the Duff County has
[2:39:37] written to the town of Monono. Reach out
and talk to us. But I think when we talk
[2:39:40] to them, we should make that point.
[2:39:45] » Good points. Um Fred, I think I to me
what stood out as when I wrote this down
[2:39:50] is that we've been waiting when we talk
about um our unfinished business list,
[2:39:55] we're waiting for uh Duffren before we
can then rejig ours, right? Am I wrong?
[2:40:03] I'm I'm that's what I've been told. And
so the faster that they get organized
[2:40:07] and of course I think what happened was
that they were going they made different
[2:40:10] a they made different amendments. We're
all okay and then oh no we need to do
[2:40:13] something else. So Mono's been sitting
back on our big list of things waiting
[2:40:17] because there's no point in spending
effort and time on something that then
[2:40:20] ends up in the grander scheme not being.
So um th this letter is saying but it's
[2:40:28] not it's not because we're holding
anybody back, right? Like we're
[2:40:33] » No, we're not we're not holding anybody
back. No. So I I I would uh um
[2:40:41] ask them to do it quickly so that we can
get on with everything else.
[2:40:45] » Not not wanting them to slow down. Maybe
they could use that plan amendment as an
[2:40:50] opportunity to address the issue of data
centers as well.
[2:40:55] » I had I had a second item. Item number
seven I I pulled.
[2:41:01] That's that's a report that I wrote. uh
note that it was dated July 11th and I
[2:41:06] said that I've heard that the province
has appointed an executive director to
[2:41:10] the new Western Lake Ontario Regional
Conservation Authority. Well, you will
[2:41:15] note from item 14 now we know who that
person is and it's uh um I forget the
[2:41:21] name, Jacqueline Johnson. All I know
about her is that she's from Burlington,
[2:41:26] worked for Burlington. My only comment I
mean this may be good or bad. I don't
[2:41:30] know. It just I was surprised that the
person they've appointed as the
[2:41:34] executive director who will become the
CEO of the new regional conservation
[2:41:38] authority for a term of up two years has
no background in conservation
[2:41:43] authorities. That that was a concern.
But the other point I would draw your
[2:41:47] attention to is the last paragraph in my
report of January the 11th where I talk
[2:41:51] about this modeling that Credit Valley
did. I I'm not competent enough to
[2:41:56] remember all the details to tell you how
it works, but I was very impressed with
[2:42:00] the presentation they made. And so, and
I've given you in my report some of the
[2:42:05] numbers of what they expect increases in
stream flows and temperatures and loss
[2:42:12] of trees to anyway, the point is when
they gave the presentation, they said
[2:42:16] they're prepared to come out to
individual municipalities and give a
[2:42:19] report and to narrow the modeling down
to more specific regions. So, I just
[2:42:24] want to put on I don't have a motion. I
just want to tell staff and any of you
[2:42:28] counselors who are going to be here in
the new term that I think we should be
[2:42:31] thinking of inviting these people to
make a presentation to the town of Mono
[2:42:35] sometime early in 2027. It's a very
intriguing modeling process they've gone
[2:42:41] through. Thank thank you.
Uh just uh from the uh from schedule A
[2:42:47] uh I had identified item number 17 the
letter from the solicitor general with
[2:42:52] regard to next year's policing costs. Uh
and I found it interesting that uh they
[2:42:58] are um promising a a ceiling of of not
more than 11%.
[2:43:03] Uh I went back to last year's letter
which said exactly the same thing. There
[2:43:09] was it was it was cut and paste and it
wasn't uh it wasn't there was no room in
[2:43:14] the last year for something less than
11%. It became 11%. And I predict that
[2:43:20] this is the same thing even though
they're sort of hinting that it might be
[2:43:23] less than 11% and they also saying that
this is a timelimited uh uh time limited
[2:43:31] thing. Well, it's time limited until the
year following it becomes 11% again. I
[2:43:35] guess I don't know. I I would just point
out
[2:43:39] » so that makes it a 44% in the last three
or four years.
[2:43:42] » Yes.
>> Because it was 22% one previous year.
[2:43:45] » That's correct. And and I mean, you
know, we need the policing and we need
[2:43:50] more policing. Uh what bothers me is
that we do not have the offset revenue
[2:43:55] that we deserve to offset the increase
in policing costs. What bothers me uh
[2:44:01] your honor is the we have no explanation
for why we have a 44 44% increase in
[2:44:06] pleasing costs in in 3 years. Do you
have any information about that?
[2:44:10] » The year one was 20 around 22% and that
was as a result of a collective
[2:44:15] agreement with the OP officers.
>> Okay.
[2:44:18] » Uh what constituted last year I don't
know and what constitutes next year I
[2:44:23] don't know.
>> So okay.
[2:44:27] » Okay. thinking that maybe positive
things that maybe by giving them more
[2:44:31] money they'll be able to give us more
police cuz I'm really disappointed that
[2:44:35] when we had a terrific person who
retired and was on part-time and so on
[2:44:39] and we tried to hold our our guns to say
that no we we do need police in our in
[2:44:44] our community and we were to we were
they just sat here and they said no we
[2:44:47] can't no you can't and so it's kind of
like well why can't you well we can't
[2:44:50] find the people and you know good help
is hard to find so I do understand the
[2:44:54] actual logistics of the person who needs
to hire people It's tricky but then you
[2:44:58] come back to like okay well if you have
more money maybe people are going to
[2:45:02] come and I mean the the hospital was
telling us the same thing recruiting
[2:45:05] right it's about money right so it so
hopefully maybe maybe to think
[2:45:10] positively
>> I'll be asking tomorrow
[2:45:14] » I I was just going to add I too am
surprised by this letter but I wanted to
[2:45:19] add a side note that and I can't find
the numbers but I did the calculation
[2:45:24] once our fire services costs have also
increased I think over the last decade
[2:45:29] by an average annual increase of
something like 16% a year. I don't quote
[2:45:33] me on that number but it's something
like that. So between policing and fire
[2:45:37] services I'm I'm putting that on the
record because I know some of our
[2:45:40] residents are surprised when they find
we have to raise taxes but we have no
[2:45:44] control over this.
[2:45:49] » That being said I
>> That's all you were going to talk about?
[2:45:52] » That's all I was going to talk about.
Ralph, anything? Uh just one. It's uh
[2:45:56] number uh 23, the last one. The single
use of propane cylinders. It sounds like
[2:46:03] um this is legislatively has been
handled, but practically it's not in
[2:46:08] place. And um I'd like to have a motion
that we support this uh this request. Uh
[2:46:15] at the moment it's a it's a uh recovery
authority uh is uh supposed to take care
[2:46:21] of this and uh but the problem is there
aren't enough stations for you to take
[2:46:24] your propane cylinders.
>> So my proposal is that we have a motion
[2:46:29] that supports this.
>> So we have a a seconder and u councelor
[2:46:33] Davey
>> I I think that's a good idea. I looked
[2:46:36] at it and had to look at single propane.
How many of those do I have in my
[2:46:39] basement from the various things that I
from camping and whatever? And so the a
[2:46:43] quick little review there are and in
fact being with more people who are
[2:46:46] maggyvery type people. Um refilling them
has is illegal and don't do it on the on
[2:46:51] the green ones that you just buy and
don't do that. However, they are making
[2:46:56] ones that are the cuz they're handy size
to have. They fit into certain machines
[2:47:00] that you have and so on. And they do
have refillable ones now. And so I would
[2:47:04] appeal to us all to not buy the $6
regular one at the Canadian Tire because
[2:47:10] then what are you going to do with it?
it's a problem, but to to seek out the
[2:47:13] more expensive one that you can reuse
for a few years as a you know idea.
[2:47:20] » That's a good point. Try to find them.
They're hard to find. We have one. It's
[2:47:23] about this big that we take camping to
hook up to our camp stove.
[2:47:27] » These ones that I were seeing are
exactly the same. And probably it's one
[2:47:30] of those needing to order online things
as opposed to going. But also, you know,
[2:47:34] if you go to our regular stores, I mean,
if you go into the supermarket here and
[2:47:37] you ask for, you know, a certain type of
cheese that they don't have, they do
[2:47:40] endeavor to bring what they what their
patrons want.
[2:47:43] » We got one, but they're hard to come by.
>> Jessica, do you have a handy wording for
[2:47:48] us?
>> Uh, yes. And I will note that the
[2:47:51] clerk's department did reach out to
Duffren County, uh, the manager of waste
[2:47:55] services for an opinion, but we did not
hear back.
[2:47:59] » We'll chase them down for you.
Uh that council for the town of Mono
[2:48:04] supports and endorses the letter from
the township of Tutor and Castle calling
[2:48:09] on the Ministry of Environment,
Conservation and Parks to undertake a
[2:48:12] review of the current regulatory
framework governing one pound single-use
[2:48:17] propane cylinders.
>> Thank you. Any opposition to that?
[2:48:21] » That motion carries.
>> You needed a secondary.
[2:48:24] » Um I had one.
>> We did. Yeah.
[2:48:26] » Okay.
>> Yeah, it's good. Um okay. Excuse me.
[2:48:30] Yes,
>> your worship. If I can uh if I can just
[2:48:34] mention item 20
>> on schedule A. Is is council interested
[2:48:40] in a uh proclamation to that effect
coming back?
[2:48:43] » Yeah, that was on my list. I hadn't been
asked to use my list.
[2:48:46] » My apologies. I didn't know you had a
list.
[2:48:48] » We thought she'd already spoken.
>> No, on everybody else's, yes, but not on
[2:48:52] mine. That introduction.
>> So, yeah. So my my my big question
[2:48:56] particularly because I brought forward
the flag thing that everybody didn't
[2:49:00] understand what I was bringing forward
and just poo pooed the idea of uh
[2:49:04] proclamations and how and how they give
an opportunity for education and and
[2:49:10] they um should be very diverse and and
include all of things. I thought gez I
[2:49:15] don't when was the last time I went to
the dentist? if if somebody had told me
[2:49:20] that there was a special day or
whatever, I might I might have have gone
[2:49:24] more frequently. So, I I kind of think
that it might be it might be a good
[2:49:28] idea. I was going to ask for if anybody
else thought that.
[2:49:34] » We'll proclaim a particular day.
>> Sure.
[2:49:37] » Why not?
>> Tommy Tooth Day.
[2:49:40] » Yeah. Right. Right. Right. I mean
because because and you and we we just
[2:49:43] but those are the kind when I was
thinking about the ebikes and stuff and
[2:49:46] the e- scooters like where before social
media and before we were so divided in
[2:49:51] where we would get the news. You just
waited for the newspaper to arrive and
[2:49:54] everybody read it and you like there was
a there was a source where nowadays
[2:49:59] there's so many things. What is the
source that would be best to be able to
[2:50:03] tell our our young people and because
you learned in school and you learned
[2:50:08] that I don't think they're learning now
cuz there's so much other noise. Right.
[2:50:13] » So proclamations that's right. Go
forward.
[2:50:15] » The bicycle safety with Elmer the
elephant and
[2:50:19] » Exactly.
>> Yes. And Tommy the tooth guy and all of
[2:50:22] that good stuff.
>> Exactly. So do we need do do we
[2:50:28] » I don't think we need emotion. I don't
think we do.
[2:50:30] » Direction of stuff.
>> Direction of stuff.
[2:50:32] » Cuz now it's my turn, right? So, I had a
couple.
[2:50:34] » So, the other one that I had was along
the same kind of lines and it was number
[2:50:40] um 22 about the um British home
children.
[2:50:47] And so, did you did everybody get an
opport It was a very long list. Did
[2:50:51] everybody get an opportunity to read
this? because it's very interesting that
[2:50:55] this um
uh municipality is asking that um that
[2:51:02] the the the federal government make an
apology to for for previous wrongs. And
[2:51:08] I and I you know I understand that and
so on. But the interesting thing is that
[2:51:12] when you dig into it, they already did
and they did it way back in uh 2017. It
[2:51:18] was acknowledged in the House of Commons
and then in 2018 the parliament passed
[2:51:22] that this September 28th was going to be
pro proclaimed as BHC day. Um and then
[2:51:29] 20 and that was ahead of 2019 being the
150th anniversary of when they first
[2:51:34] started shipping kids over here um in
the in the face of that life would be
[2:51:39] better but in actual fact as as labor,
right? So I I was wondering if again
[2:51:45] maybe um I don't know that we need to to
ask the prime minister to do anything.
[2:51:50] Stuff's already been done. So I didn't
think that we need to necessarily
[2:51:53] endorse their thing. But again an
opportunity that this is another
[2:51:56] community. I was a little surprised that
they still say when they're modeling the
[2:52:01] numbers that one in 10 of us has a
relative that this affected,
[2:52:06] » which is wow. Um, so I I was going to
ask if we could proclaim September 28th
[2:52:13] um British Home Children's Day to in
recognition of this.
[2:52:18] » Oh,
well yeah. So that's the broad my
[2:52:22] broader question then is to the new
clerk like how does all of this
[2:52:25] proclamation stuff happen and where do
we you know where do we really make a a
[2:52:29] real um complete schedule for our year
of of really acknowledging things?
[2:52:34] That's what I that's what I'd like.
So just for for Jessica's information
[2:52:41] whether she caught it on the DEI agenda,
Council Cape's about two weeks ahead of
[2:52:48] you, I think, on uh or a month ahead of
you cuz the DEI committee is looking at
[2:52:52] our proclamations right now and making
sure that we're inclusive and and we
[2:52:56] have an appropriate amount. I have ident
identified to the uh committee though
[2:53:02] that you know council can't be reading
17 proclamations per meeting. Um but a
[2:53:09] monthly uh a monthly uh input is not uh
unreasonable at all. and and I think uh
[2:53:16] once the DEI committee is done with
their review um councelor Capes actually
[2:53:21] is working with one of the members on
the committee not working with but
[2:53:25] discussing with and uh and I think uh I
think it'll help uh it's a it's a nice
[2:53:31] list already. It is a good list and Fred
could or Jessica could decide to bring
[2:53:35] it back in its form now or council could
wait for uh the DEI committee to have a
[2:53:40] wait for the committee. Yeah,
>> we can wait just as these things come up
[2:53:43] and this was a particularly long
schedule A, but as these things come up
[2:53:47] on the on our uh radar, it's like, oh
yeah, maybe that's maybe that's worth um
[2:53:52] looking at too to be um
>> and I think I'll recommend I'll
[2:53:56] recommend to the DEI committee that
maybe we set up a maximum. You know,
[2:54:00] eventually something has to give.
You can't keep adding can't keep adding.
[2:54:04] So eventually we'll have to give, right?
So what's the rotationary uh process?
[2:54:10] » Okay. Well, but this is an interesting
thing, too. So, in the in the 4-year
[2:54:13] term, you have four September 28s come
up. Like, does every September 28 like
[2:54:19] do do you have to keep declaring it all
of the time or is it acknowledgement
[2:54:23] already to be declaring it? So, because
I do think then this is this was my
[2:54:28] point about the flags. If you really do
embrace everybody for everything, then
[2:54:33] there's more than 365 days in the year.
>> Right.
[2:54:37] » Right. And I believe we declare National
Public Works Week and we have a few we
[2:54:43] have a few few of them that are
repetitive on an annual basis.
[2:54:47] » Um all of them are
>> they're all annual.
[2:54:49] » They're all annual.
>> So maybe they don't need to be annual to
[2:54:52] have given some to to given
>> to have given a entity or a group or or
[2:54:58] you know community whatever to to have
been given them respect doesn't
[2:55:01] necessarily mean it has to be
repetitive. I think
[2:55:04] » um Elaine.
>> So we'll take that back to the committee
[2:55:08] as well, but but Duffren County has a
good proclamation process because I've
[2:55:14] used it to ask them to give
proclamations for things and then they
[2:55:20] issue a certificate
and then those certificates I used to
[2:55:25] post on a specific website to recognize
the proclamations that were done. Uhoh,
[2:55:30] there's a rolling eyes over there. I'm
so sorry. More work for staff.
[2:55:35] » No, it's just a button.
>> But but it's something that we could put
[2:55:38] up on our
website on our through our social media.
[2:55:43] It's just a picture of that proclamation
about that day. It doesn't have to
[2:55:49] involve a huge thing, but they're easy
enough to read at a council meeting.
[2:55:54] Anyway, we can talk about all of that
stuff in the DEI meeting. I think you
[2:55:58] might have some support if we included a
deputy clerk's day.
[2:56:07] » On that happy note, anything else,
Melinda?
[2:56:09] » Oh, that's good.
>> Uh, no, that was it on my list. Thanks.
[2:56:12] » Okay, and that takes us to reports of
council and staff. Less, anything for
[2:56:18] us? Thank you, Matt. Anything for us?
>> Don't we have to pass?
[2:56:23] » We passed it. Let's get schedule A. Uh,
>> okay.
[2:56:26] » Yeah. Did we pass schedule A or did we
pass?
[2:56:29] » The vote has not been dealt with.
>> My apologies. Uh, there is a motion on
[2:56:32] the floor. All in favor of schedule A
carried.
[2:56:37] Uh, back to uh staff
and mindful that staff at any time can
[2:56:44] reach out to us by way of email to give
us uh updates and reports. So, it
[2:56:48] doesn't have to wait until a verbal
report.
[2:56:53] Uh Kimberly.
>> Okay. Jessica,
[2:56:58] » nothing to report.
>> Oh gosh. Uh Fred,
[2:57:02] » I have nothing. Your worship.
>> Michael, nothing. Sorry, I've been uh
[2:57:08] might be a little bit ahead of you with
the clerk uh discussions I've had with
[2:57:11] the clerk with respect to the verbal
reports and uh and I really want uh
[2:57:16] transparency and if it's not on the
agenda, the verbal report becomes a
[2:57:21] non-transparent item. Uh so I want staff
to reach out to you by emails. Um I
[2:57:27] think it's important and if you see it
of a significant uh item that should be
[2:57:32] on the agenda, it should come on as a
memo at least on schedule A. Um, I want
[2:57:36] to work continue to work through the
transparency side of things and verbal
[2:57:40] verbal surprise reports are
unfortunately not transparent.
[2:57:45] » That's a good point.
>> Okay. So, no more reports.
[2:57:50] » I'm a bit confused. Mike, what is a
verbal
[2:57:54] report? Is that what we're doing?
>> Microphone.
[2:57:58] » Yeah. So, so as we work through the
process, we'll get through it. It
[2:58:02] doesn't stop council for talking about
their day-to-day because the public
[2:58:05] really needs to hear that. But councelor
or deputy Nicks does submit minutes for
[2:58:10] his uh and overview documents that go
into schedule A. Um what I'm saying is
[2:58:17] if if staff is to talk about a grant
that we received it was or or an item
[2:58:22] say wastewater treatment for example
with Matt uh wouldn't be it's not uh
[2:58:28] nobody nobody knows it's going to be
there and if residents are following for
[2:58:32] wastewater treatment plan updates uh
they're going to miss Matt's uh
[2:58:37] discussion and uh Matt can provide uh
updates uh via email uh I can provide
[2:58:43] updates via email and uh and we'll work
through it. If something's of major
[2:58:47] significance, council will hear about it
and if it's time sensitive. Um but by
[2:58:53] not putting items on the agenda, it just
it just it knocks down the transparency
[2:58:58] of what we're trying to approve here and
and the clerk and I will work with the
[2:59:02] procedural bylaw as we as we move
through things.
[2:59:07] » I love it. Uh but I I love it. But it
but just the logistically
[2:59:12] if you the email thing is tricky, right?
Because you said so if you so if
[2:59:16] something comes up for a staff member
what you're suggesting
[2:59:20] and they feel that the council needs to
know they would send an email to us and
[2:59:25] then if we thought it was something that
needed discussion because we can't have
[2:59:30] a discussion as a group on email because
that's not transparent. Then there would
[2:59:35] be a request to put it on. That sounds a
little cumbersome. Why don't we just
[2:59:38] make reports B? Everybody has to submit
something.
[2:59:41] » Good point. I think that staff is uh is
uh staff should keep council informed of
[2:59:48] uh of the daily of the year how they are
working through the things. Uh um should
[2:59:54] give periodic updates to council where
they are in their capital and stuff. Um
[2:59:58] but if there's a if there is an
information item, I believe it should
[3:00:01] come in a short memo. Um and uh and and
and and
[3:00:07] what I'm saying is I'm not limiting
council's option to say, "Hey, I think
[3:00:11] we should be talking about that item and
would you mind?" And then staff can put
[3:00:15] together a short meal
>> and and a staff email can also become
[3:00:19] part of schedule A as well.
>> Um
[3:00:21] » and then it gives us a chance and it
gives the public a chance to raise it.
[3:00:25] » Yeah. Just it just keeps more control on
what the public is being told. It allows
[3:00:31] the public to see what is being
discussed. Um, and uh, and it's easier
[3:00:37] to to be more transparent that way.
So, because I had the pleasure of
[3:00:45] accessing citywide to get my fire
permit,
[3:00:50] um I would be interested in knowing how
many
[3:00:56] transactions come through citywide
from the public.
[3:01:02] I would be interested in knowing what
they are because they are because the
[3:01:08] complaints come through citywide too if
I'm not mistaken because I had the
[3:01:12] pleasure of filling out five of those.
And so um I would be interested in
[3:01:18] seeing reporting coming out of those
tools because we now have those tools
[3:01:23] and I think this was mentioned in our
service delivery report done a little
[3:01:28] while ago. I would also like to see uh
reports on outstanding um property
[3:01:38] uh untidiness.
And invon they have a beautiful sign
[3:01:44] that's huge and says it's your
responsibility to keep your property
[3:01:49] tidy. I wanted to take a picture of it
and bring it here because I was like oh
[3:01:53] yeah that's a good picture. Anyway, no
more signs. No more signs. Um but anyway
[3:01:59] that kind of reporting I think gives
another level of transparency for people
[3:02:05] to know exactly how much work is going
on like you know how many requests
[3:02:11] through citywide are coming through that
have to be managed how many customer
[3:02:16] client resident issues are being um
forwarded to staff and dealt with just
[3:02:23] anyway I'll leave that for another day
but that's my thought council capes
[3:02:28] Just a couple com um comments. Um we're
we're definitely in the input data phase
[3:02:34] of city citywide right now trying to get
all staff and all departments uh to
[3:02:40] utilizing it. The property standards
though is done through an annual uh or
[3:02:44] by by semianual periodic uh report in
camera uh to council with respect to uh
[3:02:52] open and close and uh and a detailed
report is is given uh with respect to
[3:02:58] the number of complaints I believe in
open transparent council.
[3:03:03] » Yeah. Um, so the individual addresses
though is done obviously in closed
[3:03:07] session, but uh you'll you'll recall
that when I sat as director of public
[3:03:10] works, there were some pie charts in one
of my water uh when I was uh trying to
[3:03:16] establish the hiring of new employees.
uh we were in the very infancy of trying
[3:03:22] to utilize citywide and and uh public
works is definitely the furthest along
[3:03:28] uh in in uh in conjunction with bylaw
and uh and uh Cheyenne and and with
[3:03:35] respect to fire permits and everything.
Um so those are our biggest data and
[3:03:39] recreation's in its uh in its early
stages of uh of starting to uh input all
[3:03:45] the records. Uh, so it's definitely
something that the goal, the end goal
[3:03:49] would be to create these pie charts for
council to see how many complaints, how
[3:03:54] many are closed, how quickly they were
closed or outstanding ones that are
[3:03:58] subject to budgetary or capital uh
capital requests from council. Um, but
[3:04:03] yeah, it's definitely the intent and and
I think we may be a little premature
[3:04:07] right now with our data entry point of
view. Um, but I can definitely speak to
[3:04:11] the directors on how comfortable they
feel about kicking out something like
[3:04:15] that for perhaps budget session
discussions.
[3:04:19] » That is great. Thank you very much.
Appreciate that, staff.
[3:04:23] » Okay. Uh, that comes to our turn.
Melinda, anything to report?
[3:04:28] » Well, it's been summer holidays and so
there haven't been as many I haven't
[3:04:32] been to a fireboard meeting of either of
the fire boards. I haven't been to.
[3:04:36] Tomorrow, tomorrow evening, we do have a
um a board meeting at the um Center
[3:04:41] Duffren Recreation Center and there's um
our complex and there's there's
[3:04:45] interesting stuff on the agenda. So, no
dull moments, but we haven't had the
[3:04:49] meeting yet, so I can't tell you about
it. And Rack, we haven't had a meeting
[3:04:53] or an event, though. I did see that RACK
has um the advertisements are going out
[3:04:57] if you want to be if you want to have a
table at our um Christmas show um the
[3:05:02] RNR in November. But yeah, I don't have
I haven't been uh haven't been at any
[3:05:07] meetings, but I'm sure they're going to
pick up now.
[3:05:12] » Well, uh thank you.
>> Uh two things. I appreciate um Mike. I
[3:05:18] think he was sticking his finger in my
ribs a little bit there. Uh on but and I
[3:05:24] do appreciate that uh MPG uh could do
with putting out an annual report which
[3:05:30] was sort of summarized everything. I did
that at the beginning, but most recently
[3:05:34] I've just been talking every 2 months or
so about what's going on. And uh there
[3:05:38] are lots of things going on in the 10
years. In fact, at this moment, there's
[3:05:42] a volunteer appreciation uh day
happening at uh the Jack and Gail uh
[3:05:47] Barrett's place. Um so I I'll I'll do a
report. I think you're after me.
[3:05:55] Yeah. Unconsciously maybe. Uh
>> guilty. I think the uh just a reminder
[3:06:01] that the uh this uh climate action
committee's uh green festival will be
[3:06:06] coming up in October. It's on a Sunday,
October the um 18th I think it is. Um
[3:06:15] and uh the planning for that going along
very well. You'll start to see some uh
[3:06:19] uh posters and various information out
there as we're going to do our best to
[3:06:22] make it well known to the community.
>> Thank you. Um,
[3:06:28] Elaine.
>> Well, as Melinda said, it's summer
[3:06:32] vacation, so and and we don't always
meet every month. We meet when there's
[3:06:37] business to do for the the fire
department, etc. But I did have a pen
[3:06:42] hack meeting to review the um regulation
on large homes, and uh that went very
[3:06:49] well. We're waiting to set another date
because we didn't come to the conclusion
[3:06:55] of what we wanted to present to council.
So, I believe that uh Simey's working on
[3:07:02] getting us together again soon,
hopefully before the end of this term,
[3:07:09] so we can bring something forward.
So,
[3:07:15] and
>> and I would hope that that any
[3:07:17] recommendation that would uh create a
change in our zoning or or official plan
[3:07:24] uh is not going to be held up on things
like this because of what's happening or
[3:07:29] not happening at the county. I think we
have to we have to go ahead and and uh
[3:07:34] even if it's uh perceived to be
peacemeal, there are some big issues out
[3:07:38] there that need to be addressed in terms
of planning,
[3:07:40] » right? And hopefully that'll touch on
the rural lighting.
[3:07:50] » That picture you sent out, I I I I
thought uh ET was going to step out of
[3:07:55] the uh of the blinding light,
>> right? It looks like a nuclear power
[3:08:00] power plant. There's a few of those
>> or a grow up without the curtain.
[3:08:04] » The grow up. Yeah. the the idea of have
that that a municipality can be dark sky
[3:08:12] designated. Have we ever looked into
that for for mono? I tried to watch the
[3:08:17] pursade shower that was supposed to be
the the best and whatever and I'm
[3:08:22] sitting there like is that one I can't
tell. Is that a start? Right.
[3:08:26] » So it is in our site plan control uh
zero la line cutoff with respect to dark
[3:08:31] sight compliance. Um so we do have our
uh we do have our commercial establish
[3:08:37] and industrial institutional established
under that right. Um it was mentioned in
[3:08:43] the largescale homes uh uh report that
was provided to uh to council that there
[3:08:50] was a mechanism that may um but it was
is it's uh it's it's very staff
[3:08:55] cumbersome uh to um you know a lot of
these are constant uh constant uh uh you
[3:09:02] need reviews and peer reviews and and uh
and a lot of it is staff cumbersome. So
[3:09:07] it was one of the mechanisms the
committee panak is is is landing on a
[3:09:14] couple of options and one of them does
include a more comprehensive review of
[3:09:20] building permits um which may capture uh
what councelor capes has has identified
[3:09:27] um
but with with respect to so that's where
[3:09:32] we are and and I think we we push dark
sky compliance but we don't control uh
[3:09:37] we don't control individual rural
residents in their in their lighting uh
[3:09:42] right now unless it has a uh property st
property standards problem community
[3:09:48] standards unless it has a community
standards issue which council will
[3:09:51] remember they adjudicated a uh yes
>> a in in chambers uh uh one from
[3:09:56] fieldstone uh from fieldstone um so with
respect to the zoning b I've gone
[3:10:02] through the outstanding items on our
unfinished business list with our
[3:10:06] consultant planner Uh Deborah's
preparing a response with respect to uh
[3:10:11] uh the zoning bylaw housekeeping that we
can pick off and that that won't be
[3:10:17] upheld or uh that won't be held up at
all by the uh um OP at the county.
[3:10:24] » Great. Great.
>> And and we do have this philosophy of a
[3:10:28] dark sky.
>> It's always been accepted that that's
[3:10:33] what Mono has. However, and the
astrological society of Duffren used to
[3:10:40] come and use the Lloyd Armstrong Park
and that area for night sky viewing.
[3:10:46] Can't do it anymore cuz we don't have a
dark sky.
[3:10:49] » Well, that's right. Because there is
some there is some specific, as you say,
[3:10:53] cumbersome, but a specific designation
which we don't which we don't have.
[3:10:57] » Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. We we've uh talked about uh dark
[3:11:01] sky um and indeed a a Milky Way bylaw it
was called by Keith Mcnley back in the
[3:11:07] early 90s and I was a big advocate of it
and I was a member of the uh uh dark the
[3:11:14] international dark sky society. It was
an outfit out of the states but uh that
[3:11:21] didn't result in a bylaw but it did
result in changes to uh what we require
[3:11:26] for commercial and industrial
properties. which is a good start. But
[3:11:30] now that LED it's, oh, they're cheap,
they last forever, I don't have to
[3:11:33] change them. People put them up, they
think their house looks great. They
[3:11:36] don't appreciate that they are like
education, right? They don't appreciate
[3:11:38] that that they're blinding the people in
their kitchen next door.
[3:11:44] » Indeed. Anything else?
[3:11:48] » No, that's it for me. Thank you.
>> Okay, Fred, just just one item. In the
[3:11:54] past, I've had people phone me and say,
"Does the town of Mono have some bylaw?
[3:11:59] I've got a neighbor with a tree with a
branch hanging over my property. Can the
[3:12:03] town do anything about it?" And I've
tended to answer, "Gee, I don't think we
[3:12:07] have a bylaw that controls that." But in
in those two cases that I remember in
[3:12:11] the last 16 years, it's all worked out
okay cuz we've gone to the property
[3:12:14] owner with a tree either dead or with a
branch and they they've handled the
[3:12:19] problem. So, no problem. What I have now
on my desk is an intractical problem and
[3:12:25] I'm would ask staff or council if you
can help me with it. I sure would
[3:12:29] appreciate it. Without naming names or
addresses, I did a site visit last week.
[3:12:34] There's a house, small house like this.
The neighbor's property is right here.
[3:12:38] The property line is, you know, within 5
ft of the house. How it got approved, I
[3:12:43] don't know. And in the neighbor's
property are two large dead, very large
[3:12:47] dead trees. I suspect they're ash trees.
the owner with the small house has asked
[3:12:52] the neighbor to do something about those
dead trees and the own first of all the
[3:12:55] owner had said he doesn't have the
money. I don't know where that
[3:12:59] discussion's gone and I've not talked to
the owner of the property with the large
[3:13:02] dead trees, but when I did the site
visit last week, I am totally dismayed.
[3:13:07] There there is no way those trees are in
such a geographically difficult place.
[3:13:13] Steep bank, river, dense uh vegetation
coverage, other tree coverage, there's
[3:13:20] no way a Sawyer can get in there or a
truck with a bucket.
[3:13:26] I am going to have well but but to back
up
[3:13:30] » and this is where I
>> excuse me deputy mayor I'm trying to
[3:13:35] find where this fits in the council
agenda
[3:13:42] » this is a private matter
>> it's not private
[3:13:45] » about two individuals
>> it's not private
[3:13:48] » maybe Jessica would have some comments
on that
[3:13:51] » clerk's department for guidance on this
is that the property standards bylaw
[3:13:55] does in fact make the owner of the
property with the dead trees responsible
[3:14:00] for doing something about it. I I I
would ask for guidance on that because
[3:14:03] I've told this person, yes, we do have a
bylaw that that is it is is is comes
[3:14:10] into effect in this situation.
>> Jessica,
[3:14:14] » if we could suggest to have the resident
reach out to staff, we would be more
[3:14:17] than happy to discuss this with them
offline.
[3:14:21] » Yeah.
Well, but could we in the first instance
[3:14:24] determ I right in telling the owner that
we do have a bylaw that comes into
[3:14:31] you've already you've already had email
conversations with Jessica Fred and I on
[3:14:35] this matter and I would respect that you
have the staff reach out to us
[3:14:41] explain an interpretation of the
property standards. Well, that that may
[3:14:46] you may well do that and I will take
your advice and do that. But my opinion,
[3:14:50] which I would like to put put in the
public domain, is I don't know how the
[3:14:55] heck anybody can go in there and do
something about these trees. So, what do
[3:14:59] we do? These trees are threatening the
small house.
[3:15:02] » We need we need to encourage the the
property owners to reach out to staff.
[3:15:07] Um the the issue of dead trees is
frankly a slippery slope in terms of uh
[3:15:14] of um having having uh having them
removed from properties, especially the
[3:15:19] ash trees that are dead all over the
town. So I think we have to tread
[3:15:23] carefully.
>> I just like to point out I this is not a
[3:15:25] private matter between me and an
individual. This is a public matter.
[3:15:29] » No, but I think it's a civil matter
between the two people that are not in
[3:15:32] the room and that you're discussing
right now. It's a civil matter between
[3:15:36] them and it possibly will become a civil
matter insurance,
[3:15:39] » right? Like it's it's it's not a
solution for the town to right now. Um
[3:15:44] but it is something that the homeowner
should speak to staff about.
[3:15:50] » You shouldn't be solving that problem.
>> No, can I can I
[3:15:54] » let's let's uh let's uh cool down here.
Uh
[3:15:59] » so so that so okay. So just as a
removing removing not discussing it any
[3:16:03] further that that is an example of why
why the uh our CEO has commented that um
[3:16:11] written reports so that they go on the
agenda is an important thing. That's the
[3:16:15] one issue. Then the other issue is what
Elaine has just said that that our job
[3:16:19] is not to to um to just pick out one
individual's problems and and um heir
[3:16:25] them in the p in the public. So I wonder
should we actually if you're going to
[3:16:30] now um encourage mandate what's the
right word have staff give a report that
[3:16:35] then goes on to uh our agenda then and
we've been appreciating the reports that
[3:16:41] we've been getting all along for this
term from the deputy on the CBC when you
[3:16:46] get the mayor the thing though it's only
ever um addressed to gentlemen um which
[3:16:53] is a joke um and when we had a one from
the monopo a pollinator garden. It was
[3:16:58] good. How about if we like do that now?
Have if there's something that's on your
[3:17:02] mind to bring up, we put it in writing
before the meeting and then it can get
[3:17:07] vetted by by um the clerk whether it's
appropriate to go on the agenda or not
[3:17:12] and then we can have a have a a
conversation. The the difference between
[3:17:17] staff committing uh their reports to
writing and counselors committing their
[3:17:22] reports to writing is the uh temptation
of a back and forth between members of
[3:17:29] council that then got it gets construed
as a a a meeting outside the council
[3:17:35] chamber. I think we still need to have
oral reports,
[3:17:40] » but that doesn't that doesn't and I
think I think the CEO's comments were
[3:17:45] restricted to how staff communicates
with us, not how we communicate with
[3:17:50] each other.
>> Okay. Yes, I exactly what you said. I
[3:17:54] agree with it, but that's not what I was
saying. They the point
[3:17:57] » Sorry, our clerk has her hand up.
>> You do.
[3:18:01] I was just going to note that this would
be a good conversation during the
[3:18:04] procedural bylaw review.
>> Yes,
[3:18:07] » good idea.
>> Good idea. Except in the So, in the
[3:18:10] meantime, the but but the whole point of
the that you bring up something randomly
[3:18:15] on on a on in a in a in an oral report,
then it's not written and then not all
[3:18:22] of our residents watch to the very end
of our meeting to hear our reports.
[3:18:26] Right? That was where I wasn't saying
that we should have a discussion in
[3:18:29] writing, but that if it's in writing, it
then is in writing.
[3:18:32] » Yeah.
>> But sure proced by something really
[3:18:35] exciting at the end of our meeting so
that they stay at the end.
[3:18:38] » Stay in. Yeah. I don't know that we can
control random
[3:18:43] » to my report. Random. Uh I attended AMO.
I was not successful in getting elected
[3:18:50] to the board. I lost by just a few
votes. Um there were six people running
[3:18:55] for four positions. Uh surprisingly low
turnout, like really shockingly low
[3:19:01] turnout for the board positions. Uh and
uh the the board positions may reopen if
[3:19:08] any of the four successful candidates
are not reelected in October. So that
[3:19:14] then creates another opportunity for
people who just barely lost uh to uh sit
[3:19:19] on the on the board. Um the
it's hard to say a lot of really great
[3:19:27] things about their format. Um there were
some good sessions. Uh there were some
[3:19:33] good sessions that unfortunately were
talking heads and did not involve
[3:19:37] participation of the audience which I
thought was was regrettable. Um the
[3:19:43] premier's major announcement actually
had to do with the funding of of sports
[3:19:49] um uh enterprises. Uh and I don't think
that it it precludes uh funding of of
[3:19:56] the kind of thing that we were talking
about earlier. I could be wrong on that,
[3:20:00] but um that literally was his major
announcement.
[3:20:04] » $500 million.
>> Exactly. And uh so um it you know it was
[3:20:10] worthwhile. Uh made some good contacts
and it's my first AMO in uh two years
[3:20:19] and that's all I have to report.
[3:20:24] I
>> ask a question.
[3:20:25] » Okay. Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Do you think AMO's losing its steam?
[3:20:32] » That's why I ran. I do. I do believe
that. I I think they they have lost
[3:20:37] their effectiveness as an advocate for
the municipal sector.
[3:20:40] » Right. I agree.
>> So, uh
[3:20:44] » lunch break.
>> Okay. So, I think this would be a good
[3:20:47] point to uh take our lunch uh returning
at 1:00 sharp for our in camera. And
[3:20:54] that's the the uh other than the
confirming bylaw. That's the balance of
[3:20:59] our meeting.
[3:21:02] » So, we'll return at 1:00.
[4:01:25] We are back live.
[4:02:57] Yes, Andrew has uh expelled the
individual from the uh meeting.
[4:03:05] » Welcome, Jeff.
>> Um, your worship, we should just wait
[4:03:09] for Andrew to confirm that we're not
streaming live. Okay.
[5:07:52] We are back live.
>> Yes. So, good afternoon again. Um, I
[5:07:56] have a motion that we rise from an inc
camera session uh at 7 minutes past 2:00
[5:08:03] uh p.m. and direct town staff and the
town solicitor to proceed accordingly.
[5:08:07] Moved by councelor Cape, seconded by
Deputy Mayor Nicks. Any opposition?
[5:08:13] Seeing none, uh, notices of motion. Um,
as, uh, indicated, I will be bringing a
[5:08:20] notice of motion to, uh, uh, retain a,
um, a voluntary historic properties of
[5:08:26] interest database at the next meeting.
Any other notices of motion?
[5:08:31] » So, was that a notice of motion, your
worship, or that's just you're telling
[5:08:35] us you're going to bring a notice of
motion?
[5:08:37] » No, I'm going to bring a motion.
>> Okay. So, that was the notice of motion
[5:08:41] for consideration at the next meeting.
Okay. Could Could I be so rude as to ask
[5:08:45] you to repeat that?
>> The actual
[5:08:47] » I'm going to I'm going to bring a a
motion. I'm giving notice now that I'm
[5:08:52] going to bring a motion at the next
council meeting to uh uh retain or
[5:08:57] create a um voluntary historic
properties of interest database.
[5:09:08] Any other notices of motion? Uh, seeing
none, I have a motion that we introduce
[5:09:13] and give the necessary readings to a
bylaw to confirm the proceedings of
[5:09:16] council of the town of Monono in session
13-2026
[5:09:20] held on uh, August 25th, 2026 that it be
signed by the mayor and clerk sealed and
[5:09:25] engrossed in the bylaw book. Do I have a
mover for that? Councelor Magdalo uh,
[5:09:30] councelor Capes. Any opposition? Seeing
none, I have it's passed. I have a
[5:09:36] motion the council adjourn this meeting
at 9 minutes past 2 uh p.m. Um,
[5:09:52] no I have I have a different wording
here. It's a new it's a new wording.
[5:09:56] Jessica, I'm confused before
>> through you. Um, we just added the next
[5:10:02] meeting date, the next regular council
meeting for information.
[5:10:05] » Okay. And I miss I misregulize it's
regional. Um, so we're adjourning at uh
[5:10:12] 10 minutes past 2 to meet again for uh
the regular council meeting on September
[5:10:17] 8th, 2026 at 9:00 a.m. uh or at the call
of the mayor. And uh do I have a mover?
[5:10:24] Councelor Capes, seconded by Councelor
Davey. Uh no no opposition. The motion's
[5:10:30] carried. Thank you very much everyone.
>> Thank you.
[5:10:37] You sure you don't get