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Okay. All right. Welcome everybody. This

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is meeting of mayor and counsel for the

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town of New Market. Today's date is

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Thursday, August the 13th, 2026.

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Time is 7:01 uh p.m. We are here in our

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brand spanking new event barn, our home

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away from home until we move into uh 90

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uh West Main Street. Uh with us this

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evening are uh Councilman Wilson,

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Council Member Tunnel, Council Member

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Rav, myself, Mayor Burhans, Council

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Member Mueller, Council Councilman

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Delaney, CL uh clerk to council Michelle

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Mitchell, our planner is also with us

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virtually. Pat Fox, our engineer, Tim Ry

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with us as well. And last but not least

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is our new clerk treasurer, Heather

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Saxon, has joined us this evening. I

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like to introduce Heather to everybody.

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before the meeting, but uh she's been

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with us for about a month and uh she's

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doing really well and Deb and Michelle

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are delighted to have her and she's

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already making a whole lot of

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improvements and efficiency and all that

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stuff which I'm uh grateful for is as

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so that being said, um, let's go ahead

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and move on to our, um,

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first item of business, which is the

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approval of the minutes for both June

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11th and July the 9th. We'll just take

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uh, them one at a time. Has everybody

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had an opportunity to review the minutes

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for uh,

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June the 11th?

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minutes as written? All

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>> Okay. So, we have a motion to adopt the

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June 11th minutes as written. Do we have

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>> I'll second.

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>> Seconded by uh councilman uh council f

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uh council member Morave. Uh is there

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any more board discussion?

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Just a point of order. That motion the

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original motion was made by council

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member Muller. I didn't know if I stated

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that or not. Okay. Any more board

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discussion?

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Public comment. All in favor say I. I.

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>> Okay, that passes unanimous unanimously.

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let me go ahead and just initial these

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and pass these down

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much less uh

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get lost in my shovel there.

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minutes for July the 9th is everybody

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minutes as written?

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>> Make a motion to adopt as written.

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July 9th uh minutes as written by

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member uh Toronto. Is there any more

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>> All right. All in favor say I.

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» You guys are sitting out of order now.

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on. Continued business. So, last month

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we reviewed some uh we uh some requests by the New Market

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Volunteer Fire Company. Uh and they're

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they have come back this evening. Uh I

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you guys probably got the little memo

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from me. I did discuss with um the um

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town attorney about how we should go

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about dispersing monies that we would um

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approve and basically made it really

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simple. Um he went through the statute

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noted that there was no nothing new or

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anything new that would affect our

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ability to uh provide some monies to the

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fire department for the requests. Uh he

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noted that um

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making uh donations to your volunteer

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fire department is sort of a regular

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course of business for most

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municipalities.

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Uh he thought that um we did not really

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need to have a bidding process that um

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if and he also noted that um if we were

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to do a direct dispersement that would give the impression that

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we're actually purchasing the equipment

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and the fire department is purchasing

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equipment. So he suggested to make this

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really simple is let the fire department

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do whatever their bidding process is

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internally and whatever they decide to

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purchase we we will agree to fund up to

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a certain amount of whatever that

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apparatus is they bring us a copy of the

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sales order and we stroke them a check

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I don't know gentlemen if it gets any

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easier than that

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so which made me very happy because

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attorneys sometimes don't make things

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any easier Uh so anyway, that being

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said, I'll I'll uh hand the uh floor

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over to uh Council Member Morave to

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continue for the continued discussion.

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>> Yes. So last month, we weren't 100%

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certain how much money was in the speed

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camera funds. Since then, we thought it

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was around 400,000 or so. Since then, we

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were able to get the number of 642,000

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that's currently in the fund. So, my

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suggestion is that we fund the rescue

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struts and the utility truck. Um that

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with us funding those two items, the the

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rescue struts are $30,000.

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The um utility truck is $115,000.

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in the speed camera fund. I think we all

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recognize that this is more than we

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would obviously give yearly to the fire

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department, but I think based on um how

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it hasn't been easy for them to access

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these funds um for the last few years

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and they have not received any that we

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can all kind of look at this as

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cumulative over the past few years

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knowing that it wouldn't be a yearly

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thing that we would able to we'd be able

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to do $145,000.

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suggest to the group. Um,

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and Ben, I don't know if you have

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anything to say or if that's fine.

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discuss and decide if this is something

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we're willing and able to do. I I think

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it's a great idea and um

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it it puts us closer together. I mean,

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in the past we've been um we were close

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and then we kind of dip. Now I I think

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this puts uh puts us back on the right

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>> Anybody else?

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know that it's been a few years of

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trying to figure this out to help kind

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of make up for the time lost and get us

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» I can just say because I live across the

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street from the fire department, they

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run a hell of a lot of calls and they're

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going to run a heck of a lot of more

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calls as the town in the area grows. So,

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reasonable investment for the town to

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make uh to the volunteer fire

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department.

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motion to um

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set set aside uh $115,000

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uh for the what are we calling that?

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>> and and $30,000 for the struts

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what was that? 45

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>> $45,000 total.

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with the um understanding that when they

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ready for us to fund it, they'll bring

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us a copy of the sales order.

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>> Is that a motion somebody can make?

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>> I'll make a motion to file.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Okay. So, we have a motion uh uh by

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council member Tronel. Did you get did

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you get the motion out?

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pretty much um platform

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» right with but they will but we divide

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and 30 for the stress. Okay. Good.

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>> So um council member Toronto made the

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motion and councilman

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Wilson second.

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>> Thank you.

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>> So is there any uh any board discussion

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No. Any public comment?

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I'm not see I'm not seeing hands waving

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on the screen here. So, I guess we're

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okay with that.

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Okay. So, bring it back up front. All in

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favor say I.

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All right. That's unanimous with Wilson,

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Toronto, Morer,

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and Delaney.

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>> Appreciate. Thank you for your service.

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Thank you for your patience.

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Okay, next item of business is the

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Linggonor High School homecoming parade

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request for uh September the 26th. And

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this is being presented by uh Mr. Brown

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from Lingard High School and the student

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government uh representatives for

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Lingard High School, which for which I

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don't think I have their names, but

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young ladies at Mon.

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» Hello.

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My name is Sydney Hall. I am

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president of the Lingor High School's

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SJA Student Government Association.

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Uh we would like to do the parade. Um I

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enjoy it. I've done it for the past um

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it'll be four years this year. Um

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getting the Linggonor High School

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spirits up and getting kickoff to the

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school year. Um yeah,

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>> my name's Emma Mobly. I'm the Lingor

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High School SJA vice president and I

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would also like to do the parade because

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it's a great way to get our community

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involved. It also shows young people

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that are say at New Market Middle

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School, New Market Elementary. It also

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brings them into the Lingor High School

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community.

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» Okay. So, this plan is the same as every

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other year and you guys have got

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everything covered from the either the

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caps or in the um sheriff's deputies

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>> in progress. Okay. And then I I guess I

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will I let my season tickets go to

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Maryland football. So, I got all nothing

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better to do that Saturday.

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>> Yeah. So, uh so yeah. Um, so I'll I'll

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contribute that part, but other than

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that, it's the same it's the same plan

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as every year that we've done for the

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last

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several years.

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Did I say where Langor is rated number

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one in the state in football?

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» Don't want to jinx anybody.

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» Do we need a motion to

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>> Yeah. Do you want to uh someone make a

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motion to approve the plan as submitted?

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>> I'll approve the plan as submitted. I

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just did want to point out it. It says

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that you haven't enlisted the police,

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but you will. Or is that

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>> No.

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>> Okay.

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>> I know you've done this a million times.

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah. This is kind of like our 5K. It's

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you don't really know what you're

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getting until you get it. Yeah.

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>> Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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» So,

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» right.

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>> Okay. Hopefully, keep our fingers

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crossed. Okay.

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>> Okay. So, we have a motion to approve

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the uh Linger High School homecoming

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parade plan uh as presented. Do we have

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a second on that?

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>> Second.

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>> Okay. Uh so is motion was made by

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council member Morave, seconded by

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council member uh Mueller. Do we have

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any more board discussion?

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Need public comment.

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>> All in favor say I.

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>> I unanimous Wilson Toronto Mor

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and Delaney.

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Is that the copy I need to sign?

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people

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here county

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Yeah.

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» Yeah. So,

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>> so we um we actually started looking

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into like a um what do you call it?

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>> Youth council.

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>> Yeah. Um,

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but there was some question about,

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you know, I know schools and

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like parental permission, who could be

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around the students, it did they need to

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be fingerprinted, how often did those

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fingerprints need to be run? And so it

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kind of scared me a little bit because I

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didn't want to um you know get too into

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the weeds I guess with like fingerprints

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and

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>> you

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know

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>> Okay.

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>> Yeah. I'd love to and I have like an

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application and everything. We just

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never pulled the trigger on it because

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>> Okay. Okay. I have your email.

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Okay.

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>> I think it's a great idea involved.

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>> Yeah.

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>> And local specific government. For sure.

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Yeah.

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>> And thank you, Mr. Brown, because I know

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you do a lot with that and

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>> I mean the program.

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Well, and I think last year when Lily

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did that for her project, it was great

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because we had so many volunteer

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students, they came out for the

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Christmas and New Market and a lot of

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different things that and they all seem

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to really enjoy it. 5 and all that.

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Market.

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» Okay. Yeah. And I think like you have to

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be a leader

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because we have leadership want to do

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leadership. So

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>> nice.

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>> Thank you.

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guys.

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» Okay. Next item of business is the MDE

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MS4 permit update and general asset

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management update. And Manda Baker from

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Will Centry Ballard is producing that

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and she's with us virtually.

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» Hear me just

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so we're doing tonight is just an

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informal briefing to give an update on

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where their permit is. I know as

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engineers I throw out a lot of acronyms.

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So, let me try to really simplify what

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this means. Um,

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building on the briefing that I gave

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about a year ago to to the new council,

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it means that uh, as of 2024, March of

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2024,

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the census results show the new market

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was about 1500 residents over a

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thousand, which means that that size,

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New Market is classified as their own

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urban entity, and needs to control their

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runoff. uh anything that leaves the town

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of New Market in Perious and enters

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ditches and makes makes its way through

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a stream or waters river.

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>> Uh it's up to the town of New Market to

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make sure that is clean storm water run

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by mouth. Uh it's a triple down effect

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from the EPA and parts of the clear

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water clean water acts. The local

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administration is the MDE, the Maryland

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Department of the Environment. now

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passed down which was previously under

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Creger County's control is now passed

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down to New Market because of its

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population size.

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Um

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uh so there are several parts of what it

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means to be put in control of their own

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permit and their own runoff. Uh there's

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some background work that we have

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already done thanks to the grant that

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the town won in the fall of 2024. We

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were able to do a lot of the background

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work that Amanda will

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go through later when she shares her

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screen and shows the database work and

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all information that we've already

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entered in. So that is the mapping

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component. So the town needs to know

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where all of its water runoff

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infrastructure is, pipes, storm drains

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or water management pods. So we've taken

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the time, we've gone through all the

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improvement plans for streetscape for

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all the developments like Royal Oaks and

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Brinkley Manor. We've entered in all

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those drainage structures and we've

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entered in store water management pond

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footprints and the drainage areas and

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those storm water management ponds.

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That's a lot of the background that we

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did with the grant money.

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There's next steps that fall on the town

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to implement and make sure they're doing

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the best they can to inform citizens

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about the clean water. There's aspects

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of um community engagement, teaching the

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community about pollution, about not

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dumping the oil into the sewer, and

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there's also aspects of sort of

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community policing there. Another aspect

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of this permit is that the community

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needs to have availability and a way to

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uh flag discharges that like if you see

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your neighbor dumping his oil to the

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stove drain or if you see your neighbor

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is raiding his backyard to put a hole

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in, there's a round water well coming

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straight down into the screen. There

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needs to be a way to uh report that so

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that the so it can be noted. Uh there's

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uh a governmental ordinance side of it, but the town

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already has a lot of that covered. So

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the town needs to be able to inspect and

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look at all storm drains, whether

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they're private, public property, and

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storm water management facilities.

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Luckily the way all your improvement

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plans and agreements were written for

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Franklin matter the order Royal Oaks the

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HOAs themselves are responsible for this

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and they take the responsibility and the

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town has easements on all those storm

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water management facilities. So we

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already have that aspect where we can

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access and inspect the storm water

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management facilities in the

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developments throughout town. And

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another phase of it is the very last

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phase. Once you get your permit, you do

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yearly updates. You uh do a yearly

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report with the NDE saying that you're

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following everything that needs to be

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done. You're keeping your uh pipe system

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clean. You're keeping your ditches clean

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and you are actively trying to treat

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squirler run town.

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Um there's also a lot uh an aspect of

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training that belongs to town staff

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which is the environment doesn't have to

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worry about getting you don't have a

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DPW, you don't have a maintenance yard,

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you're not changing oil and watering

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trucks and things like that. So being

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how small you are so far, you don't have

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to worry about that aspect of the permit

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yet.

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Um, so I'm going to turn it over to

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Amanda to let you know what the progress

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we made so far. And two items we're

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presenting tonight are sort of

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intertwined. The database she's going to

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show has the storm water infrastructure,

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but it also has some other town

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attributes that you collected along the

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way such as sidewalk ramps, lighting,

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um, urban gutter condition and quality

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throughout town. So I'll turn it over to

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Amanda to share the database.

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Thanks, Jim. Is everybody able to hear

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me? Okay.

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>> Amanda attorney.

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You hear me now?

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Try saying something now.

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>> All right. Are we good to go?

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>> We're getting there.

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>> Okay.

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Is that going? Yeah, go ahead. I have to

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speak a little bit loud, but go ahead.

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>> All right. Um, I'll go ahead and start

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sharing my screen and

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we can begin getting started. I

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appreciate everybody's time for me to

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kind of briefly go over the permit

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status, uh, where we stand, next steps.

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So, Tim provided a little bit of an

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introduction on what the permit is. Um,

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tonight we'll go over an overview of the

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anticipated permit. Uh my last

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correspondence with MDE was um June 10th

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in which they were providing um response

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to comment on draft permit and they hope

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to have revisions to the draft permit

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sometime the end of this summer.

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Sometimes that delays a little bit

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because MD is underst staffed. Um but

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they're doing a a good job getting

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everything in order. Um, we'll go over

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um some live demos of what we've

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collected.

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» Sorry, what was that? You glitched a

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bit.

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>> One second.

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Thank you.

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Well, the neighbors

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involves they watch it all before they

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movies and so they're in so now we are

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watching and we keep going together

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behind the scene.

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So we have it along. It's crazy.

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>> He's got like his

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>> best. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I may as

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well like try to get a workout. Yeah.

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» Are you able to hear me now?

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» Okay. Um I'm not sure where you were

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able to hear me or not, but um brief

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overview of what we'll go over today is

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um the anticipated permit overview. Um a

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little bit of coordination that we've

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had along the way in getting things set

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up for the town. some live demos of the

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database that we've developed and um a

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high level demo of overall assets for

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the town of New Market and an

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opportunity for folks to ask questions.

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So there are um six minimum control

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measures that are anticipated for this

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00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,039
permit which is pretty typical for all

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MPDS um MS4 permit requirements. One is

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public outreach and education

552
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,399
um public involvement and participation.

553
00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:52,720
So these two are fairly intertwined in

554
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
which um we'll provide educational

555
00:33:55,600 --> 00:34:00,240
opportunities uh for citizens as well as

556
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,519
any um staff of the town. Granted,

557
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:04,880
there's not much in the way of staff

558
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,519
right now. Um, and ways for them to

559
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:10,159
participate. That can include um stream

560
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,760
cleanups, being part of the green team,

561
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,000
um, if there's any collaboration with

562
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,919
local schools. There's a lot of

563
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:21,119
opportunities for the the town to be

564
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,359
able to claim these first two uh,

565
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:25,440
minimum requirements.

566
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,280
The third is elicit discharge,

567
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,159
detection, and elimination. And

568
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,760
essentially what this is is they're

569
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,159
looking for hot spots where there's

570
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:35,760
illicit discharge. And what that means

571
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,480
is potential pollutants entering the

572
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,440
waterways. That can be um grease from

573
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,399
grease traps at restaurants. It can be

574
00:34:44,399 --> 00:34:47,040
any residues coming off of maintenance

575
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:50,079
yards. So any potential contaminant that

576
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:52,800
could be entering um

577
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,320
entering into the storm drain. They're

578
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,480
looking for those hot spots. Uh a lot of

579
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,560
times you'll see those coming out of

580
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,480
storm drain outfalls and you'll be able

581
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,400
to trace those back. Um also the

582
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,680
construction of um storm water runoff

583
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,200
controls

584
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,960
uh which is going to be your storm water

585
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,200
management facilities post construction

586
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,280
storm water management. That's going to

587
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,359
be the inspection, typically a triannual

588
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:19,200
inspection of the facilities to ensure

589
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,720
that they're in good standing and

590
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:22,880
reporting any maintenance that's done

591
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,720
and pollution prevention and good

592
00:35:24,720 --> 00:35:27,280
housekeeping. And that's looking at

593
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,800
overall town uh facilities and ensuring

594
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,680
that there's no um exposure of

595
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,640
contaminants to the local waterways, um

596
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,040
fueling stations, for example, any

597
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,599
maintenance yards. Obviously, these a

598
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,200
lot of these are going to be for larger

599
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,640
scale municipalities. So, it will be

600
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,760
scaled down um to follow in suit with the size of the town. Um and the

601
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,480
final very large uh component is the

602
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,680
impervious area restoration requirement.

603
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,520
And typically for the first year of a

604
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,960
new permittee, there will be a 20%

605
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,760
reduction in untreated impervious area.

606
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,680
And so we've started going through the

607
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,040
process of identifying all of the storm

608
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,839
drain um pipes, structures that can

609
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:24,240
include manholes, inlets, um different

610
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,000
um junction boxes, and so forth. as well

611
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,920
as identifying all of the storm water

612
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,680
management facilities and delineating

613
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,160
all the drainage areas for that. And

614
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,920
with that information, what we're able

615
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:39,440
to do is um quantify the amount of

616
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,119
imperous area that is currently draining

617
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:45,839
to a storm water management facility.

618
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:48,800
And once we have that that number, it's

619
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,119
called the baseline. And so, for

620
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,880
example, if we say we have a 100 square

621
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,520
miles of untreated impervious area, our

622
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,599
um permit requirement over the the

623
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,040
5-year permit would typically be a 20%

624
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,839
reduction. And so, instead of 100, you

625
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:10,480
would want to see 80. And the ways that

626
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,640
you can meet this criteria is you can do

627
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,320
stream and outfall works or stream

628
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,040
restoration. If you have outfalls

629
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,800
um that are eroding um there's there's

630
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,560
various measures you can do to treat

631
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,520
those um tree plantings, sports

632
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,680
conservation and um septic connections.

633
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,920
So, tying current septic systems into uh

634
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,520
public

635
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,560
water and sewer.

636
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,240
So, out of the six minimum control

637
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,040
measures um that we know are going to be

638
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,640
in place, we're in very good shape for

639
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,760
the first three with not even have the

640
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,400
permit in place yet. Um you know, the

641
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,359
town already has the green team. We

642
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,599
already have educational

643
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,160
uh material and I'll go over that in a

644
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640
little bit more detail in a moment. Um

645
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,160
we have training material to be able to

646
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,800
train any potential staff that will come

647
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,880
on or if you have a contractor that's

648
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,040
coming on if you want them to get

649
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,440
trained in it, you can also report that

650
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,880
to MDE. Um especially since the town

651
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,119
some of that some of those contractors

652
00:38:25,119 --> 00:38:26,960
essentially act as the the town's

653
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,680
maintenance. um elicit discharge

654
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,079
detection elimination. I've gone through

655
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:34,240
and identified locations and

656
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:38,880
opportunities to um do sampling and the

657
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,599
appropriate documentation for that. The

658
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,839
last three, construction of storm water

659
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:46,720
facilities, um post construction of

660
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:48,240
storm water management facilities.

661
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:52,079
Obviously, we're not to a point where

662
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,680
we're designing new storm water

663
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,599
facilities or retrofitting existing

664
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,960
ones. So, those two,

665
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,640
we're just not there yet. The permit's

666
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
not mature enough really. It doesn't

667
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,040
even exist yet um for us to be able to

668
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,000
address these two. And the last one is

669
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,200
pollution prevention and good

670
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,079
housekeeping. Um the town doesn't have a

671
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,400
lot in the way of its own assets for

672
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,240
there to be a very large program for

673
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,079
this. So, I'm currently in coordination

674
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,880
with MDE to help better define what the

675
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,240
requirements are going to be for the

676
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:24,079
town.

677
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:26,400
Um, for the impervious restoration, I

678
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,160
mentioned that baseline. So, we've

679
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,640
gotten the impervious area inventory,

680
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,440
um, the storm water and drainage, um,

681
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:34,960
delineation,

682
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,800
our treatment calculations for all the

683
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,040
storm water management facilities, as

684
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,200
well as the, um, impervious area

685
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,800
baseline calculated. So essentially what

686
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,960
amount of imperous area within the town

687
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,760
is already being treated.

688
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,800
Um the agency coordination as I

689
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,880
mentioned we've been coordinating with

690
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,119
MDE as well as state highway

691
00:39:57,119 --> 00:39:59,839
administration and the county. Um

692
00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:02,400
they're going to be, you know, obviously

693
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,520
adjacent partners um going through Main

694
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,320
Street with the changes in right of way

695
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,040
um with the the project that occurred

696
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,680
several years ago. Um coordinating who's

697
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,520
going to be responsible for treatment

698
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880
within that area. um and essentially

699
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,960
establishing a a relationship that's

700
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,480
going to demonstrate the town is going

701
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,440
to be good partners to those adjacent uh

702
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,320
entities.

703
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,680
And for the MPDS database, this is a

704
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:35,440
quick map um given just an overview of

705
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,680
what we have in place currently. And

706
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,119
what you can see is the green areas are

707
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:42,720
currently the areas that are treated by

708
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:45,920
storm water management facilities. The

709
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,000
yellow is untreated town impervious.

710
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:55,920
The purple is SHA impervious and blue is

711
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,680
um Frederick County. And if you'll

712
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,280
notice going through Main Street um that

713
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,640
showing is SHA and that is intentional.

714
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,280
I know that may flag question. Uh we've

715
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,200
been coordinating with State Highway on

716
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,400
defining who's going to have

717
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,280
responsibility for Main Street. And

718
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,800
currently the way that their permit is

719
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,280
set up, they already have jurisdiction

720
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640
for that. So until their permit um

721
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,440
expires or they have to recalculate a

722
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,359
baseline, it's going to maintain under

723
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:28,640
them. And so that gives us a little bit

724
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,640
of leeway in terms of being able to get

725
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,920
the program established and focusing on

726
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,839
kind of more lowhanging fruits. As we

727
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:37,359
all know, Main Street's pretty well

728
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:39,119
developed, so it's going to be a lot

729
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:40,640
more difficult to provide treatment in

730
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,560
that area.

731
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,280
Um, another thing that we've done is

732
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,760
provided a story map. So, we went

733
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,520
through and developed

734
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,920
a outline of the town status

735
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,760
and this ties into um public engagement,

736
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,079
education, outreach. So, it gives an

737
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:06,640
overview of what the permit is. Um so we

738
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,560
go through kind of it ex it um runs

739
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,440
every five years you know provides links

740
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,160
to u get more information as well as an

741
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,760
interactive map showing the town's storm

742
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,560
water structures um and stormwater

743
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,560
management facilities

744
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,040
listing out what the town requirements

745
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:28,960
are and I'll provide a link to this so

746
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,000
that um folks can can kind of poke

747
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,880
through on their own time but it clearly

748
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,560
lays about what each of the minimum

749
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,040
control measures are.

750
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,760
We also have an outline of what our

751
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,000
currently efforts are current efforts

752
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,920
are um underway right now and a little

753
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,400
synopsis of what folks can do right now

754
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,640
in helping us get uh ramped up for this

755
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:57,119
permit. Um overall, we're in a very good

756
00:42:57,119 --> 00:42:59,200
position. um we've been able to get a

757
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,280
lot done before the permit has even

758
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,560
fully been published and active. And so

759
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,880
a lot of what we're doing is very

760
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,119
proactive and making sure that we're

761
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:11,119
setting the the talent up for success.

762
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,079
So this isn't live yet. Um you know,

763
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:15,359
it's just something that we've been

764
00:43:15,359 --> 00:43:17,520
working on internally, but again, I'm

765
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,640
happy to to share this link with folks.

766
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:26,000
And another part of the

767
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:29,040
permit is going to be the ability for

768
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,400
citizens to submit complaints. And what

769
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,760
that will entail is um providing some

770
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,880
minimum contact information, the type of

771
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,200
complaint, and this is going to tie

772
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:43,200
directly in with that elicit discharge I

773
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,079
was mentioning. So, um, illegal dumping,

774
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,240
if there's construction erosion that's,

775
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,480
um, not being treated and and making its

776
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,119
way off site, um, people dumping stuff

777
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,599
down storm drains. Um, they'll select

778
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:59,520
the type, the date, um, a description of

779
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,520
the issue, and they'll be able to go

780
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,560
through this interactive map and drop a

781
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,960
pinpoint on

782
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,560
where um, the issue is. They can submit

783
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,480
photos and that will all get pushed up

784
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,240
to us. will get notified and it is going

785
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,079
to provide the required documentation

786
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:19,359
that's going to be required for the

787
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:21,920
permit. So again, although this isn't

788
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,160
needed right now, we have everything set

789
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:29,510
up so that the town is ready

790
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,119
and

791
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:33,839
kind of uh associated with with that is

792
00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:35,839
the town's overall asset management

793
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:40,400
database. So as time is allowed um you

794
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,640
know and and budget we've been working

795
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,319
on

796
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:46,720
developing a pretty robust repository

797
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:50,160
for the town's asset management program

798
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,240
and we've gone through and we've been

799
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,599
able to digitize items such as um

800
00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:00,800
sidewalk curb and gutter um water sewer

801
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,680
electrical obviously the storm water uh

802
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,560
storm drain. We have all of the town

803
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,040
signs as well as inspection records and

804
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,920
photos for all of those signs and all of

805
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,720
the town's lighting posts and lights.

806
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:18,560
Um, and I'll exit out of this just for a

807
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,720
moment to show a little bit of an

808
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,880
overview of of what that looks like in a

809
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,960
little bit more detail. So, as I zoom in

810
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,480
here, um, you can see that the out uh

811
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,480
center lines for the sidewalks are

812
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,040
outlined. Um we have blue here for

813
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:36,880
water, yellow for gas, etc. And if we

814
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:41,599
were to go and um open up

815
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:46,240
one of the tables associated with it,

816
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:49,359
um we have the framework set up to where

817
00:45:49,359 --> 00:45:54,160
the um size of the gas for example, the

818
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,240
structure type, any inspection

819
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,079
information, maintenance needs are all

820
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,880
going to be organized here um to make it

821
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:02,400
a lot easier, especially as the town

822
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,720
matures, to keep track of their assets.

823
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,920
That's um and I know this was a very

824
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,400
quick synopsis. I don't I don't want to

825
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,240
take up too much of everybody's time,

826
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,240
but if anybody has questions or would

827
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,680
like me to go over anything in more

828
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,910
detail, I'm more than happy to.

829
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,800
on the what you've been showing us with

830
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,720
the color maps uh with the area

831
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,440
different people control the permanent

832
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,079
surface thing. Is that avail access

833
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:33,760
accessible to us now or is this still

834
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,160
something you're working on?

835
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,079
>> It's still in draft format because I

836
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,400
haven't um been able to submit to MD for

837
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,640
approval, but I'm happy to create a PDF

838
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,800
of the map and submit it to um you know,

839
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,760
town council for review. That would be

840
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,800
great because it'd be neat to see it in

841
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,520
a larger format or in detail that we can

842
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,200
kind of see the areas we're talking

843
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,400
about there.

844
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,079
>> Sure. Yeah, I'll make sure that I have

845
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:03,359
the drainage areas that we use to define

846
00:47:03,359 --> 00:47:05,680
those treatment areas um included on the

847
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:06,960
map for you.

848
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:20,069
>> Yeah, that would be great.

849
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:22,800
There any other questions that anybody

850
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:29,430
might have? I'm more than happy.

851
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:32,960
» Any timeline you think this may occur?

852
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,400
Maybe you said it. I didn't hear it

853
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,880
>> for the permit.

854
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:43,200
Well, that this active uh thing you're

855
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,880
just showing us now is still on the

856
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:46,640
screen. Is that going to be accessible

857
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,720
to us? And when do you think it will be?

858
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,319
If it is,

859
00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:55,200
>> the NPDS database will be accessible um

860
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,160
once we have the full terms of the

861
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,520
permit so that we can make sure

862
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,280
everything's structured appropriately.

863
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,200
So, it's still in a working format right

864
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,160
now. it will get p pushed up to ARJS

865
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,920
online and it will be available for um

866
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,359
limited public review um view. So when I

867
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:15,680
say that the entire database, you know,

868
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,760
with all of the associated attributes

869
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,960
won't be available simply because it

870
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,440
it's a lot of data, but all of the major

871
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,119
items such as the inventory, the um

872
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,640
status of them, characteristics, uh etc.

873
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,319
will be available. But if there's

874
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:34,400
anything that anybody needs in more

875
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,119
detail, um you know, we can certainly

876
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:40,480
get that um you know, published for you.

877
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,520
the time frame on that, it's going to be

878
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:47,040
contingent on when the permit is

879
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:51,680
finalized and pushed out. Um, so

880
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,880
that's still kind of an unknown when

881
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:56,800
that permit's going to get pushed out.

882
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,599
Um, there's been a little bit of a lag

883
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:02,240
in when it originally was going to get

884
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,319
published versus

885
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:06,160
now. It it should have been published

886
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,430
already.

887
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,839
So within the next year,

888
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:14,319
>> I would assume certainly.

889
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:15,839
>> And

890
00:49:15,839 --> 00:49:19,119
is all of this data available to the

891
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,720
town?

892
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,480
Because it sounds like

893
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,400
you guys are the gatekeepers for this

894
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,640
data

895
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,240
even though the town wouldn't own it.

896
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,160
So we set up a RJS online account for

897
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,200
the town and all of that information is

898
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,720
going to be stored on the town's

899
00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,440
account. So um although we're

900
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,119
maintaining it, it is within um the

901
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:50,160
town's RJS online account. So everything

902
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,599
will be hosted from there and then um

903
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,680
separate interactive maps will be

904
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,800
created for um you know citizens to be

905
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,599
able to go on and take a look and if

906
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:03,680
there's any other you know custom

907
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:07,359
mapping or reporting that anybody would

908
00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:10,240
like um we're more than happy to to

909
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:13,280
cater as needed. But all of the all of

910
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,119
the data, you know, obviously the town

911
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,440
owns, the town has full access to on

912
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,839
their account.

913
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:27,270
>> Yeah.

914
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:32,480
GI instruments is the one GIS now.

915
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,359
RGis whatever

916
00:50:35,359 --> 00:50:38,960
that is also they have going to see that

917
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:44,800
data that format so 880 mark

918
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,079
last for at least a year and I think the

919
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:55,910
idea is like a very detailed building

920
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,720
uh and a member of the community or a

921
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,400
member of the

922
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:05,680
to see if you're not going to see uh any

923
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,559
are

924
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,720
>> why not

925
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,559
>> I think

926
00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:15,520
it's well if you're willing to pay with

927
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,000
the credits then all that information

928
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,680
you could be able

929
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,359
>> it's our information to begin with why

930
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:23,359
are we paying extra for it

931
00:51:23,359 --> 00:51:25,680
>> you have no credit how many people

932
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,079
access it and use it the more people

933
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:29,680
that access and use it the for you

934
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,720
today. So

935
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:33,680
>> I Okay, I'm

936
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,760
this may be typical of every

937
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,040
municipality then but

938
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,359
usually when we pay for information it's

939
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:43,280
acceptable without having to pay more.

940
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,119
It sounds like you know and I'm not you

941
00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:49,359
I know you guys are using a system but

942
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:51,599
if if we pay for the information we want

943
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,800
to look at something that day

944
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:56,000
why do we have to go through all the

945
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,079
break that should be somewhere

946
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:05,030
accessible and up to date I'll let you

947
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,599
in terms of towns you

948
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:12,960
have town set that have this computer

949
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,400
program that they like you're talking

950
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,119
about a program that can cost $6,000 a

951
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,920
year to rent a security program. So as

952
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,160
of right now the risk of editing and

953
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:27,200
that data and and it's posted online

954
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,640
editing and changing that data uh once

955
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,400
we set up like I said

956
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,680
GIS uh staff or their account editor has

957
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480
an AIS account but they edit that data

958
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,040
on their own that's when you have access

959
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:45,520
that data but a free account if you just

960
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:48,720
see the line you don't have full access

961
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:51,760
to edit and manipulate that band. Is

962
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:53,760
that

963
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:59,430
explanation?

964
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:05,920
» Yes.

965
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,470
>> She may not have been able to.

966
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,400
» Tim, you're you're pretty echoy. Were

967
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,079
you asking for concurrence in your

968
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:15,520
description?

969
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,559
>> Yeah.

970
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,960
I I agree with your description.

971
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,119
Um the software that's used is ARJIS

972
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,200
Pro. Um that's what you see on my

973
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,760
computer right here. And as he was

974
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:29,760
describing, typically larger

975
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,040
municipalities have um on-site staff or

976
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,680
for example the state, they have on-site

977
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,920
staff as well as consultant staff. Um

978
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,480
myself being one of them. uh where we

979
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,480
help manage that data. You know, the

980
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,880
state, the town, whoever that client is,

981
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,240
they they own that data and, you know,

982
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,960
obviously have full access to it,

983
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,520
whatever reporting, you know, is is

984
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,559
requested. It's it's there. Um, but with

985
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:01,599
the town being so small and not having

986
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:04,079
staff, not having a license, that's why

987
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:09,040
everything's being done essentially on my machine and then being pushed up

988
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,160
and stored on ARJS online. So all of the

989
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,119
data is under the town's account and

990
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,440
ownership.

991
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,599
So if if the town were to let's say hire

992
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,640
a GIS person, they would be able to log

993
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,800
directly into the account and access and

994
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,680
edit, manipulate, run analyses on the

995
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,150
data as as desired.

996
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,319
» Okay, I I understand it better now.

997
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:37,200
Thank you.

998
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:44,790
>> Sure. Of course.

999
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:50,470
Any other questions?

1000
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,400
Okay, thank you.

1001
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,000
>> Y thank you for your time.

1002
00:54:54,000 --> 00:55:03,829
>> Thank you.

1003
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:06,480
» Okay, excuse me. Next item of business

1004
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,760
is the introduction of the draft ADU

1005
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,430
ordinance 2026-05.

1006
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,000
uh presenting is Pat Fox, town planner

1007
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,760
and zoning administrator. As you might

1008
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:19,440
remember, we were introduced to the

1009
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,040
concept and had some background

1010
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,440
discussion last month and this month

1011
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,319
it's up for introduction. So Pat, if

1012
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:28,480
you're with us and can take it from

1013
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,640
here,

1014
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,920
>> I'd be happy to. So the draft ordinance

1015
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,079
that has been shared with council

1016
00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:39,839
members has been updated a bit from uh

1017
00:55:39,839 --> 00:55:42,240
the materials that we provided to you

1018
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,680
earlier. Uh after consultation with the

1019
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,760
town uh attorney on uh what the state is

1020
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,280
requiring of us in the final um

1021
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,680
legislation that they passed. Um, we had

1022
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,599
come to the conclusion that the best way

1023
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:01,760
to incorporate this requirement is to

1024
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,720
add a new article to the LDO rather than

1025
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:07,680
to try and modify our our current

1026
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,040
accessory structure elements as I had

1027
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,960
been proposing to do earlier. So, the

1028
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,720
draft still has the same basic content.

1029
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:19,760
It's just being added as a a new chapter

1030
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,440
to the LDO. Uh the other change that you

1031
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,839
see in the draft that we're recommending

1032
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,559
for approval is that

1033
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,760
uh we're proposing that there be a site

1034
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:39,359
plan requirement for an ADU and that site plan uh would be approved

1035
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:41,280
administratively by the zoning

1036
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,480
administrator uh once confirmation

1037
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:48,000
of a fairly long list of requirements

1038
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,319
has been confirmed.

1039
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,559
And that again is something that we've

1040
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,040
concluded that the state is requiring of

1041
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,400
us that we are not not able to do any

1042
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,000
kind of a kind of discretionary review

1043
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,760
of the use. We just need to um confirm

1044
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,240
that we've met all the requirements that

1045
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,960
the state has imposed on an accessory

1046
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:12,960
dwelling unit.

1047
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:15,440
The the list of requirements does

1048
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,240
include that the property owner would

1049
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,079
need to go to the county and get

1050
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:22,400
confirmation that there is available

1051
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,760
water and sewer and that that service

1052
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,839
can be extended uh to the the new

1053
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:32,640
proposed building.

1054
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,720
The other uh variation uh is that in

1055
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,640
order to

1056
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:42,000
um be able to look at additional parking

1057
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,160
for the accessory dwelling units, we've

1058
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,040
included that the town would need to do

1059
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,960
a very brief uh parking study of the

1060
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,640
area in question. Um after reading what

1061
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:56,480
the state is requiring of us, it's

1062
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,880
something that Bill and I think could be

1063
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,760
done by staff. It's not something that

1064
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:03,599
would take a great deal of time, but we

1065
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,400
will be able to look at, you know, how

1066
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,960
many off-site parking spaces are there

1067
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,559
around an applicant's property and how

1068
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:15,119
heavy is the use of those for other

1069
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:17,440
businesses and

1070
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,000
uh tourist use and and general public

1071
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,680
use before making a determination about

1072
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,280
parking.

1073
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,280
Um, so the this changed version was

1074
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:30,960
presented to the planning commission at

1075
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,400
their last meeting and they voted to uh

1076
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,440
recommend approval to the town council.

1077
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,799
And as we discussed last time, uh, this

1078
00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,960
ordinance needs to be approved by

1079
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,240
October 1st in order to meet the state's

1080
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,839
deadline.

1081
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:50,000
One of the things we did talk about with

1082
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,559
the planning commission is that as soon

1083
00:58:52,559 --> 00:58:56,799
as the master plan is done, we are um

1084
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:59,680
scheduled to begin a overall review of

1085
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,520
the land development ordinance as a

1086
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:06,240
whole. So if we um were to adopt this

1087
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,880
ordinance that has been presented uh to

1088
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:12,720
you and there is some sort of

1089
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:16,000
discovery of some glitch or bug in what

1090
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,599
has been approved, we will have an

1091
00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:20,720
opportunity in fairly short order to

1092
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,440
refine whatever it is that you choose to

1093
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:25,760
adopt.

1094
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,799
Um that in summary is my presentation.

1095
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:33,040
I'd be happy to answer questions. Any

1096
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,390
questions?

1097
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:40,559
» So this is just the first introduction.

1098
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:42,240
We don't have to make any decisions

1099
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,480
today, right? This is more questions.

1100
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,119
>> It's it's introduction of the ordinance

1101
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,799
this evening sets up uh the uh public

1102
00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:53,040
hearing for next month and adoption

1103
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,870
decision and adoption next month.

1104
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:08,630
» Yes. Anybody

1105
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,040
want to make a motion to introduce uh

1106
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:14,240
ordinance number 2026-05

1107
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,000
for the purpose of amending the land

1108
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,240
development ordinance to add article 14

1109
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:23,359
accessory dwelling units.

1110
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:24,480
>> So moved.

1111
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:25,920
>> All right. We have a motion by

1112
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,799
Councilman Delaney to introduce

1113
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:31,599
ordinance 2026-05

1114
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:33,599
for the purpose of amending the land use

1115
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:37,599
development ordinance to add article 14

1116
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:39,119
accessory dwelling in. So we have a

1117
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:44,630
second.

1118
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,079
» I'll second.

1119
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:48,559
>> Seconded by council member Muller. Is

1120
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:52,240
there any board discussion?

1121
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,680
So, are these just for people who want

1122
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,839
to have like a rental property on their

1123
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:03,680
property itself or what is can

1124
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,040
I did you hear uh council member Tron's

1125
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,520
question?

1126
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,960
>> Yes, I I think so. So, the state is

1127
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:16,079
requiring us to permit any property

1128
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:19,119
owner that has a single family home on

1129
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:23,280
their lot, parcel, or tract to add a an

1130
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:26,160
accessory dwelling unit either as an

1131
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,640
attachment to their house or as a

1132
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:32,000
separate structure on their property.

1133
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,599
And um that could be used by a family

1134
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:40,559
member. it could be rented out and um we

1135
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:42,319
have a restriction that it cannot be

1136
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:45,599
rented out uh for short-term rental as

1137
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:52,000
an Airbnb and that sort of thing, but it could be a a a rental property to the

1138
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,470
general public.

1139
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:00,799
» Would it be fair to say uh Pat, in order

1140
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:03,440
to answer uh Council Member Tron's

1141
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,069
question that this is sort of a

1142
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,720
method of trying to solve some of the

1143
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,799
housing shortage

1144
01:02:12,799 --> 01:02:14,480
uh that's going on across the nation.

1145
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,480
And by allowing people to put these

1146
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,480
accessory dwelling units on existing

1147
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:20,240
properties where infrastructure already

1148
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:24,319
exists is the purpose of of u the state

1149
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:27,119
requirement for this.

1150
01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:30,960
>> Uh very much so. Yes. the the the state

1151
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,920
has has identified a significant

1152
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,760
shortage of housing around the state and

1153
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,799
they're looking at a wide range of

1154
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,359
initiatives that would enable

1155
01:02:43,359 --> 01:02:45,680
communities that are already developed

1156
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,200
to

1157
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,760
you know to accommodate some

1158
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:53,920
intensification in a in a smallcale low

1159
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:56,319
impact means

1160
01:02:56,319 --> 01:03:01,760
um and to allow The kind of thing that many communities have already been

1161
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,359
looking at doing uh is a way to

1162
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:07,839
accommodate older family members and

1163
01:03:07,839 --> 01:03:10,559
younger family members in in areas where

1164
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:12,559
they might otherwise not be able to find

1165
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:20,470
a place to live within the community.

1166
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:24,079
» Did we receive answers from on the email

1167
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:27,039
you sent the different questions? I

1168
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:28,640
think

1169
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,319
the answer is no. I don't think we got

1170
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:33,119
them from Mr. Watts. I think I got

1171
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:35,760
questions answered by

1172
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,119
Pat. I don't Were you all copied on that

1173
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:42,079
those responses

1174
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,160
>> today? I didn't think so. I'd like to

1175
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:47,760
see. Yeah, I don't think we sell them.

1176
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,839
specifically the question about if

1177
01:03:51,839 --> 01:03:54,079
like whatever I think you whichever

1178
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,680
development you use as an example if

1179
01:03:55,680 --> 01:03:58,000
they already maxed out the number of

1180
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,200
units that can be in that area then does

1181
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,240
that mean they cannot add

1182
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,880
>> Oh, I think the question was that that

1183
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,119
uh council member Muller's asking is I

1184
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:13,440
asked a question about um

1185
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,760
annex properties that have a set limit

1186
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,200
of units by annexation agreement or

1187
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,480
contract. And I don't know if that off

1188
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,839
the top of my head how that was

1189
01:04:23,839 --> 01:04:26,400
answered, but let's just use Calat for

1190
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,160
example. I think they were limited to

1191
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:32,480
925 units. So that would that would cap

1192
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,760
the amount of units they would be

1193
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:35,520
allowed and they would not be allowed to

1194
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,160
add a an accessory dwelling unit because

1195
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,920
the statute doesn't provide for that.

1196
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,240
That's my understanding because that is

1197
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:46,079
a contract

1198
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,640
as opposed to the state's guidance that

1199
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,000
if you have a homeowners association

1200
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,440
document that just across the board uh

1201
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:58,079
bans accessory dwelling units but the

1202
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:00,880
town has not capped the total dwelling

1203
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,480
units

1204
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:04,640
um that that

1205
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,799
um

1206
01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:09,599
would not apply. Now the state has put

1207
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:11,920
in language that says that accessory

1208
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,079
dwelling units should not be counted

1209
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:17,039
towards the development capacity. So

1210
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,200
there may be some need to get an

1211
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,359
interpretation on what they really mean

1212
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:25,270
about that

1213
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,839
» question.

1214
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:28,400
No.

1215
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,480
>> No.

1216
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,240
>> Like that was like non answer.

1217
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,400
>> That would be

1218
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:35,119
>> Would you like to

1219
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:41,520
>> I understand and I deferred to Bill in interpreting what the state is is

1220
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:43,280
attempting to

1221
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,240
>> to impose on that issue.

1222
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:47,680
>> It's just time.

1223
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:50,640
>> I might have to ask you to repeat that.

1224
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:56,549
It just went dark in here.

1225
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:01,039
So I guess you you're saying if

1226
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,359
where does or even like from your answer

1227
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:05,039
where does the level of hierarchy come

1228
01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:07,039
from? You're saying if HOA says you

1229
01:06:07,039 --> 01:06:08,799
can't have them at all then that's just

1230
01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:10,880
a blanket you can't have them. It

1231
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:12,400
doesn't matter what the state or town

1232
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,640
says.

1233
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:18,079
No, the the the state is saying that an

1234
01:06:18,079 --> 01:06:22,319
HOA does not have the power to

1235
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:27,280
prohibit them. That is not a a um a

1236
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,599
matter that the town gets into with the

1237
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:32,000
HOA because the HOA documents are not

1238
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,440
something the town approves.

1239
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,200
Um what we've asked Bill is if we have

1240
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,079
an annexation agreement with a contract,

1241
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:45,920
can the state legislation

1242
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,349
um

1243
01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:52,480
still accommodate additional accessory

1244
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,559
dwelling units because the state has

1245
01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:57,440
said accessory dwelling units should not

1246
01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,359
be counted when you're doing dwelling

1247
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:03,990
unit count caps.

1248
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:06,160
So then the town whatever the town

1249
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,039
decides is the final say or the state

1250
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:13,349
can overrule us too

1251
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:17,119
» possible the state can overrule

1252
01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:21,200
>> so then really we have no

1253
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:23,119
>> yeah I I think that there's going to be

1254
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:26,559
a lot of testing of this new state

1255
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:29,200
legislation and a lot of possible

1256
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,799
lawsuits in different areas on on uh

1257
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,359
what the true meaning of this is and

1258
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,559
what is the true uh power of the state

1259
01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:41,680
to regulate this and to to decide things

1260
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,680
that the municipalities have already

1261
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:47,760
done. Um the our attorney has tried very

1262
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,920
carefully to write an ordinance that

1263
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:52,160
would not expose the town to that sort

1264
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,440
of thing.

1265
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:58,950
>> Okay.

1266
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,240
» Did I answer your question?

1267
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,839
>> Yeah. And then just I'm just look I

1268
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:03,440
found the email with the questions. The

1269
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,480
last one was um is it true that once

1270
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:11,599
they're an ADU is put on a property it

1271
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:16,709
cannot be sold as a separate property.

1272
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:19,920
» If the if the uh property in question is

1273
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,560
a lot in a subdivision that uh has been

1274
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,080
approved

1275
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,080
um in our current subdivision code.

1276
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:31,679
Those lots cannot be further subdivided.

1277
01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:33,759
But we have a lot of older properties in

1278
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:36,080
town, particularly along Main Street

1279
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:39,759
that are uh you know made up of what

1280
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:43,839
were aggregation of larger lots. And I

1281
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:46,640
cannot see anything in our development

1282
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,679
ordinances that would prohibit someone

1283
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:53,120
from coming in uh later on and uh

1284
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,359
requesting to subdivide off the new

1285
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,400
structure if they meet the other aspects

1286
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,550
of our subdivision code.

1287
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:13,759
» Okay.

1288
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:14,880
>> Is that it?

1289
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,359
>> Okay.

1290
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:22,080
>> Okie dokie. So, we had a

1291
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,960
motion put forward by Councilman

1292
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:29,829
Delaney, seconded by who?

1293
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:32,960
» By by council member uh Mueller.

1294
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,040
Okay. Is there any other board

1295
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:36,080
questions?

1296
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,560
>> Can I just request that we do get cop

1297
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,000
whatever answers?

1298
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,679
>> Yeah, I can send I can send them to you.

1299
01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:43,520
I apologize. I thought everybody was

1300
01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,600
copied on those.

1301
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,400
>> Um, okay. Is there any more? Is there

1302
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:54,870
any questions from the public?

1303
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,199
No.

1304
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:59,199
Okay. So, we'll bring it back up front

1305
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,040
for a vote to introduce it and we'll

1306
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:03,760
have a uh set up the public hearing for

1307
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:05,840
next month and a regularly scheduled

1308
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,520
meeting, September 10th. Okay. So all in

1309
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,360
favor say I.

1310
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:18,709
>> All right. So that's

1311
01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:22,480
» Toronto has not spoken yet.

1312
01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:24,480
>> I'm going to say nay.

1313
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:28,480
>> Okay. So it's uh then it's

1314
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,640
four.

1315
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,679
The the motion carries four to one with

1316
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:36,320
Wilson Morer

1317
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,679
and Delaney Fer.

1318
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:41,920
We are

1319
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,080
introducing this to discuss it and make

1320
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,560
a decision next time. Is that true? We

1321
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,480
make a decision. We're not making

1322
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:49,760
decision.

1323
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,239
>> No, we're we're only we're just making a

1324
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:54,080
motion to introduce the ordinance, not

1325
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:55,679
the passing.

1326
01:10:55,679 --> 01:10:56,239
>> Yes.

1327
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:00,719
>> Or the state to introduce.

1328
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,159
>> Well, let me put it to you this way.

1329
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:03,920
There's a deadline to have it passed by

1330
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:07,520
October 1st. And unfortunately, and this

1331
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:11,040
is a and Kevin, you can speak to that this is going to turn into be

1332
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:13,440
something that's ministerial.

1333
01:11:13,440 --> 01:11:16,080
>> That's an issue that came up with uh

1334
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,080
planning commission about about this. So

1335
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,080
>> yeah, at the end at the end of the day,

1336
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,679
this is sort of ministerial because

1337
01:11:23,679 --> 01:11:25,120
you're going to your hands are going to

1338
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,280
be somewhat forced. We wrote this in

1339
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,320
such a way that we kept as much control

1340
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,719
>> over the process as possible. I mean,

1341
01:11:32,719 --> 01:11:35,600
when the town attorney reviews this and

1342
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,560
reviews the statute, he finds I don't

1343
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,239
want I don't want to say loopholes, but

1344
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:43,360
he finds where there's silence on issues

1345
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,840
and writes in so the town, you know,

1346
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,640
things have to go to HCC, ARC, it still

1347
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:51,280
has to comply with sideyard, front yard,

1348
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:52,719
all the setbacks and those sorts of

1349
01:11:52,719 --> 01:11:54,320
things. The only thing you can't

1350
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,560
necessarily do is say no to the

1351
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,880
accessory dwelling unit. You can only to

1352
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,920
some extent control

1353
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,760
Yeah. Um, and as states reaching to do

1354
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,320
this, I think there's going to be uh a

1355
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,640
challenge to the state.

1356
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,320
>> I mean, it's it's a huge it's a huge

1357
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,719
overreach of of state government into

1358
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:17,440
local into local local government

1359
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,480
ability to regulate land use,

1360
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,640
>> pure and simple. So,

1361
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,280
>> you're

1362
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:25,600
right.

1363
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,520
>> So, so your your reaction is

1364
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,080
appropriate. It's just that at the end

1365
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:32,000
of the day, I feel like it's going to be

1366
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,280
ministerial. Our hands are going to be

1367
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:38,800
tied. So that motion carries 41 with Wilson, Morav, Mueller, and Delaney

1368
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:46,149
four and Toronto again. So here you go.

1369
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:51,350
» Okay.

1370
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,239
Next item is the

1371
01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:57,120
re reforestation funds and use

1372
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,360
discussion and that's uh council member

1373
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,719
Wilson. Yeah. Um I've got a weird

1374
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,719
presentation thing here Kevin. I don't

1375
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:07,280
know we can show it to the public if I

1376
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:08,880
turn out the lights I can project it on

1377
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:10,960
the wall to show the areas we're talking

1378
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,560
about. Maybe we don't have to show the

1379
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:16,640
areas we can just discuss it. Uh

1380
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:18,640
either way, it's a

1381
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:21,600
>> I don't know if you showed it showed it

1382
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:24,800
on this wall. I'm not sure how and I

1383
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,239
don't know what kind of announcement you

1384
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:27,600
have there.

1385
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,000
>> Just wait turn on the lights because

1386
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,480
it's not that

1387
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:34,960
I can just talk. I mean, I'm sure people

1388
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,400
would love to hear me talk. So,

1389
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,239
>> just talk.

1390
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:41,830
>> You love your voice.

1391
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:45,120
» Okay. So, um, we it was indicated that

1392
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,199
we had the funds of about $12,552

1393
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:51,120
that had been left over from different

1394
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,440
fort conservation, uh, uh,

1395
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,360
contracts that we had had with different

1396
01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,320
builders and things. Um, the money

1397
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,960
sitting there, uh, if you haven't seen

1398
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,560
the inflation, you know, the money is

1399
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,719
getting worth less and less. You're

1400
01:14:06,719 --> 01:14:08,480
going to buy a heck of a lot less beef

1401
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:13,520
if we sit on it. Um so the ideas that

1402
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:16,560
were put forward um I believe by Pat and

1403
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,360
a couple of us added in those other

1404
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,760
night. So uh the the ideas are to spend

1405
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,120
this money which we ought to uh and the

1406
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,560
trees must be added to eligible areas

1407
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:34,800
that uh fall under the um forest

1408
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,400
conservation act that can accept the

1409
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,239
trees. So, um,

1410
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,880
one of the ideas was,

1411
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,560
um, add trees or set up a forest along

1412
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:52,400
the property lines of, uh, Royal Logo

1413
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:57,679
and, um, Lua and I'm looking at pictures

1414
01:14:57,679 --> 01:14:59,520
trying to figure out what that is. And I

1415
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,239
think Nicole, can you explain where

1416
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:04,800
those are along? Is it just where the

1417
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,040
houses on that port? So there are

1418
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:10,560
houses, but then there are also um the

1419
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:12,960
backyard.

1420
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:15,120
It's the backyards of all the houses

1421
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:16,719
that are on that side of

1422
01:15:16,719 --> 01:15:18,320
>> the parking signs and

1423
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:19,920
>> there are no parking signs, but we have

1424
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,440
had some issues. It hasn't been yet this

1425
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:26,640
year. Um because I do have to give Tommy

1426
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,159
Welch, you know, his credit like when we

1427
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,000
find someone doing that, he will

1428
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,679
intercede and um email everyone. But

1429
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:38,640
there are times where specifically when

1430
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,560
like football, soccer, and I don't know,

1431
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:44,560
frost are all meeting at the same time

1432
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,560
and there just aren't enough spots.

1433
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,280
People will make spots and so they've

1434
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,520
damaged um fences. They've damaged um

1435
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,000
even like some drainage pipes because

1436
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,320
it's not meant to be parked on. So

1437
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,480
they've broken some of the pipes. So if

1438
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:02,719
there were some trees there, it may help

1439
01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:06,560
keep people out of that area.

1440
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,960
>> I hope not. I hope they stay away from

1441
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:09,600
the trees.

1442
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,760
>> So it is an area where the court is back

1443
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:14,880
to the park area

1444
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,880
>> and not all of it. Like one is called

1445
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,080
like parcel J or something. I don't So

1446
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:23,040
it's not anybody's property necessarily.

1447
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,800
You should take your dirt.

1448
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:26,960
>> Um

1449
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,159
Frederick um Frederick landscaping comes

1450
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:33,280
and bows like where the path and

1451
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:36,239
>> I guess yeah. Yeah, I guess

1452
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:38,320
>> partial J the parcel that was needed to

1453
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,760
the HO.

1454
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,719
>> I think that's the one that goes up the

1455
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:46,000
hill. Um but there are more in the back.

1456
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,800
Okay. Other parcels.

1457
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:51,679
Um, but there are already trees in the

1458
01:16:51,679 --> 01:16:53,440
back there that kind of separate.

1459
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:55,120
>> Yeah.

1460
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,280
>> Okay. So, that's one idea. Everybody

1461
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,280
knows where we're talking about there.

1462
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:04,790
Um, another one was between

1463
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,800
that

1464
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,040
um on on Main Street between

1465
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,800
143

1466
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,960
and 139.

1467
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:18,400
I believe it's 200. If you know where

1468
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,280
the um driveway comes out from the

1469
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:23,360
middle school,

1470
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,000
two houses towards

1471
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,560
there's there's two houses on one

1472
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,360
driveway and then there's an open space

1473
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,800
at the drainage area.

1474
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:33,120
>> Okay.

1475
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,679
>> Uh there was a suggestion to put a

1476
01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:38,080
forest and so the town is above that

1477
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,199
area. So there was a suggestion to plant

1478
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,840
a lot of make it a forest area where we

1479
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,480
wouldn't have to pay to maintain it as

1480
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:49,280
much. So

1481
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:50,560
>> you know where?

1482
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,480
>> Yeah, I pulled it up.

1483
01:17:52,480 --> 01:17:53,360
>> Oh, you pulled it up.

1484
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:55,199
>> Yeah, on Google.

1485
01:17:55,199 --> 01:17:56,560
>> Google it.

1486
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,960
>> So that that's another thought. And then

1487
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,679
the third one. Um

1488
01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:05,280
is that No. So the third one was uh the

1489
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,960
town park that we're in now. uh since

1490
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:12,480
the building when that we're in now went

1491
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:15,679
in, there may be some spot that we could

1492
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:19,920
put trees around the park the landscape

1493
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,080
a little nicer. Um

1494
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:25,840
>> can we do all three?

1495
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:26,640
>> What's that?

1496
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,640
>> Can we do a little bit of each?

1497
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:31,520
>> Okay, so let's talk about buying trees.

1498
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,360
Um, I I bought

1499
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,880
six

1500
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:41,520
or 80 maples of that 4 in DVA uh

1501
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,960
diameter and the rest height. Okay. Uh,

1502
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,320
and Adam put in my relatively low thing.

1503
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,120
They were $800 a tree. I've got one of

1504
01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,920
them large trees and a couple of large

1505
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,960
trees about 15 ft high, 4 in in

1506
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:01,199
diameter. Um, and they come from come in

1507
01:19:01,199 --> 01:19:05,520
and uh they'll give you a guarantee of

1508
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,000
one replacement. I had two die and they

1509
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,600
wouldn't do it the second time tree

1510
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,320
died. There's $800 a tree for a large

1511
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,800
tree. So that's not going to get you too

1512
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:18,239
many trees out. Um, but they're nice

1513
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,640
trees. They're beautiful maple, you

1514
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,800
know, things. Um, so what I want to hear

1515
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:27,600
is a little bit of discussion about what

1516
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,920
kind of plants or trees that we could

1517
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,400
use in these three areas that we talked

1518
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,600
about that would serve or that we think

1519
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:41,920
would be appropriate. I know that was

1520
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:44,640
called bridge between on main street

1521
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:48,480
there between the houses. Um,

1522
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:51,199
and I mean here, you know, park part

1523
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:54,000
like shade kind of trees would be nice,

1524
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,560
but what about, you know,

1525
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,199
part part of not mowing that one area

1526
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,239
between the house would be what, you

1527
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:05,120
know, bush type things too where the

1528
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,199
bushes take over and you don't have to

1529
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:08,960
mow the grass. I don't know. And I'm not

1530
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:10,880
suggesting any of it. I just want you

1531
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,199
guys to talk about it for

1532
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:16,239
>> Did you have G look at it?

1533
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:17,679
Once I have an idea of what we're

1534
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:19,520
thinking, I want to get Jacob to price

1535
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,600
it out. He would probably be the guy to

1536
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,120
install it. Depends on the company you

1537
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:24,719
get it from the nursery.

1538
01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:26,400
>> Usually likes to install their own

1539
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,159
stuff, but Jacob probably has some units

1540
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:31,040
that we might be able to get a deal. So,

1541
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,320
um, give me your give me your warm

1542
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,560
questions about what you think might be

1543
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,040
nice. So, my thoughts off the top of my

1544
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,640
head are one, you want to make sure you

1545
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:42,719
have noninvasive and you want to make

1546
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:45,600
sure you have natural Maryland type

1547
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,560
trees be planted. If you're talking

1548
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:50,320
about the lot up there, I'm just going

1549
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,360
to say the one that's next to DD Binos.

1550
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,280
That's how I reference it.

1551
01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,320
>> Uh, I'm that's probably a good idea. My

1552
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:01,679
only concern would be, and this goes to

1553
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:02,960
all the lots, is would that be a

1554
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,199
qualified area to put put the PL

1555
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,120
plantings? And secondly, what

1556
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:09,040
expectations are the residents going to

1557
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:09,920
have

1558
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:13,199
>> for maintenance? Because, you know, I

1559
01:21:13,199 --> 01:21:15,360
can just tell you when we annexed over

1560
01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:18,080
there by um where Freezone Fitness is

1561
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:20,239
and all that stuff, there's a there's a

1562
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:24,640
forestation area there. And that's the

1563
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,520
county one. And we had a pre

1564
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:28,960
construction meeting over there years

1565
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:30,719
ago before all that was built. And a

1566
01:21:30,719 --> 01:21:32,320
lady comes over and says, "Well, they

1567
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,719
got to clean up over there. the grass

1568
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:36,640
call and this that and the she called

1569
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,560
DNR and all that stuff and the lady I

1570
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,440
talked to the lady from DNR and she said

1571
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:44,320
she had to tell the lady very politely

1572
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:46,000
professionally that these are

1573
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:47,760
forestation areas they're supposed to

1574
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,719
look like these aren't golf course

1575
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:54,000
manicured areas and I'm assuming that if

1576
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,080
we plant something over there we're not

1577
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,320
going to be doing a lot of mowing

1578
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,159
assuming and maybe Tim will correct me

1579
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:02,560
and that's fine if he does that we want

1580
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,679
to make sure We DD and whoever the

1581
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:07,280
neighbors are there understand that this

1582
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:08,400
is a forest now.

1583
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:08,800
>> Y

1584
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:11,920
>> it's not it may not be manicured to your

1585
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,639
specification. May may or may not I

1586
01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,600
don't know. Uh I if we're going to do

1587
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,679
something around the park that's fine

1588
01:22:19,679 --> 01:22:20,960
but maybe we should have more of a

1589
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:25,120
landscaping plan. So cuz I love a tree

1590
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:26,480
but I don't like a tree next to my

1591
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,719
buildings or anything else because you

1592
01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:31,120
know they you know leaves get in your

1593
01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:33,679
gutters. you know, they, you know, all

1594
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:35,440
the stuff that comes off of trees gets

1595
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:37,679
on your shingles and on your siding and

1596
01:22:37,679 --> 01:22:39,360
it's hard, it makes it hard for the

1597
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,000
upkeep. Uh, so maybe if you're going to

1598
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:43,360
do something in the park, we might want

1599
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,280
to have not just like, let's plant a

1600
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:46,480
tree here, let's plant a tree here,

1601
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:48,800
let's have a plan that makes sense with

1602
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:50,560
what we're we're doing. Certainly would

1603
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,120
like to have some shade in the park. The

1604
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:55,040
other thing is is that we have some

1605
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:57,199
street skating trees that have for a

1606
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:01,440
number of years have needed to be uh uh

1607
01:23:01,440 --> 01:23:04,400
re replaced and maybe you know they're

1608
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,400
they were the red buds or what are

1609
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,239
commonly called the dead bud trees

1610
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:12,400
because they die. uh that I don't maybe

1611
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,080
they would qualify. Again, that might be

1612
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:16,080
a question more directed for Tim or

1613
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:17,840
whoever could say, "Yeah, we could spend

1614
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,159
that money on replacing those trees on Main Street that were streetscape

1615
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:22,639
trees."

1616
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:25,520
>> Is there is there

1617
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:29,920
specification on how we use those trees?

1618
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,080
Does it have to be a form or I mean

1619
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:34,719
that's a question I had? Well, that's probably going to be more of a

1620
01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:38,159
Tim question, but just the generally it

1621
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:41,679
has to be in a proper

1622
01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:44,639
um stream area or whatever and and I

1623
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:46,639
think an maybe an easement or something

1624
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:48,719
has to go down for that, but I I know

1625
01:23:48,719 --> 01:23:50,159
about enough to be dangerous. So, I'll

1626
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:54,470
let Tim answer the question.

1627
01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:56,159
» Doubts too because I am much more of an

1628
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:58,480
asphalt concrete engineer and not a tree

1629
01:23:58,480 --> 01:24:01,440
engineer. But um going over some of the

1630
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:02,560
conversations we've had in the

1631
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:04,239
background and Erica and Sean have had

1632
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:08,800
with Pat. I believe that the trees would

1633
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,480
need to be in a uh easement area,

1634
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:15,280
but I also believe and I'm definitely

1635
01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:17,199
going to lean on Pat if you could clear

1636
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:18,960
up what I'm going to say here is that

1637
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:20,960
there's al there's

1638
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,000
for the forest conservation you can do

1639
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,239
lump some areas and based on acreage

1640
01:24:26,239 --> 01:24:27,920
just like say the area here at the end

1641
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,159
of this parking lot on south alley if

1642
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:32,000
you notice there's some old metal tea

1643
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,159
posts there because that is a forest

1644
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:35,520
conservation area actually for the

1645
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:39,600
orchard that was created 15 years ago.

1646
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:41,920
Uh but I also think you can do it Pat on

1647
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,000
an individual basis like a street tree

1648
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,920
where you're not getting acreage credit

1649
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:48,080
but you're getting a bird tree credit.

1650
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:53,510
Is that possible?

1651
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:57,590
» Yes.

1652
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,760
years

1653
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:13,830
stress.

1654
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,719
» Yes, it what Tim is proposing is

1655
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:18,480
possible under our forest gone

1656
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,560
ordinance.

1657
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,719
to not only lump some like a quarter an

1658
01:25:22,719 --> 01:25:24,880
acre of trees, but also individual trees

1659
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:26,960
like here in the community park can

1660
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:31,600
count towards the forest conservation

1661
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,400
>> as individual trees. We'd have to do uh

1662
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,199
special easements for that, but that is

1663
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,840
an option uh in the ordinance,

1664
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,440
particularly in the one that we've just

1665
01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:44,239
adopted. If you're doing a true forest

1666
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:45,920
as the one that the mayor was

1667
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,400
describing, I believe those areas have

1668
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,600
to be a minimum of 35 feet wide so that

1669
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,239
you're creating a forest environment.

1670
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:56,880
But we do have an option to do urban

1671
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:00,560
trees that are isolated. It just is a um

1672
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:02,800
a little bit different in terms of how

1673
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,800
you do the easements and the commitments

1674
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,120
for maintenance, but that is an option

1675
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,120
that we could explore if that's what the

1676
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,960
council would prefer. Would those monies

1677
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:17,600
that are that are set aside um

1678
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,360
would they have would would they have to

1679
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,199
be spent on on trees uh specifically or

1680
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:25,760
could they go to the easements that may

1681
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:33,510
have to be uh implemented for those?

1682
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,520
I I believe it could be spent on the

1683
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,280
entire package, both the trees and the

1684
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:45,920
uh the legal work that it would take to create the easements and to record

1685
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:49,600
it. But we can certainly ask that at the

1686
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,320
meeting that uh we're scheduled to have

1687
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:59,440
with DNR here um I believe on the 18th.

1688
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,199
>> Okay.

1689
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:02,960
Well, it sounds like to me this is a

1690
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,440
good time to

1691
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:07,440
say that it'd be nice to use those

1692
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:08,560
monies up

1693
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,159
>> so we're not we're not accounting for

1694
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:11,679
them every year and but it sounds like

1695
01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:14,560
to me we need to get better definition

1696
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,639
of how what are the permitted uses and

1697
01:27:18,639 --> 01:27:20,719
where and how and what the monies can be

1698
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:23,440
spent for just trees and or easements.

1699
01:27:23,440 --> 01:27:26,320
So, one of the things uh we mentioned it

1700
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,320
quickly, but to bring it back between

1701
01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:30,480
the houses over there on Main Street, it

1702
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:34,000
is uh you have a screen there. So it

1703
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,320
could be a VA area for weapons kind of

1704
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,560
thing too or and I know the definitions

1705
01:27:40,560 --> 01:27:43,440
I jump back and forth there but yeah

1706
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:46,159
>> I guess it's all a definite maybe until

1707
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:47,679
we

1708
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:50,480
>> definite maybe until we till we get get

1709
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,320
maybe sit in front of Pat and show her

1710
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,239
the areas and she can say yeah this

1711
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,560
qualifies or no this doesn't qualify

1712
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,440
>> that area what key me was for minimum 35

1713
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,239
ft you got that

1714
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:03,760
>> you got me I don't No, that's what we

1715
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,920
got Pat for.

1716
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:09,360
>> Get get it out there.

1717
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:11,760
>> Yeah, that would be my suggestion. Get

1718
01:28:11,760 --> 01:28:14,000
with Pat and say, "We got $12,000. Where

1719
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,639
can we spend $12,000 on freeze and or

1720
01:28:16,639 --> 01:28:18,560
easements?"

1721
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:21,040
>> Uh, any other thoughts on what we're

1722
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,320
talking about? Any guys?

1723
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,000
Um,

1724
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,800
after hearing from Winslow, I I didn't

1725
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,639
think about all of the I was trying to

1726
01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:32,159
think like what would be best, where

1727
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:35,199
would the most people benefit. Um, and I

1728
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:37,840
was originally drawn to Main Street or

1729
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,760
the park, but then hearing his comments

1730
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,400
about the upkeep and all of that, it

1731
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,400
might not be something that the

1732
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,960
residents would enjoy. Um, and I like

1733
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:50,800
the park, but there I want to look when

1734
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:52,320
I go outside because there are a lot of

1735
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:54,480
trees. I feel like I'm slightly biased

1736
01:28:54,480 --> 01:28:57,040
to recommend Luya. Um, and I would want

1737
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,800
to definitely talk to Tom and make sure

1738
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,080
that that's something that they were

1739
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:03,840
into and they're okay with it. Um, but

1740
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,840
just from those three, I also like the

1741
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,159
idea of replacing trees already on Main

1742
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:10,719
Street that need it. Of the three, I

1743
01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:12,560
think Louisa is probably the one with

1744
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,280
the least um worry about maintaining and

1745
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:18,560
all of that

1746
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,239
>> would be which

1747
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,239
>> the Yeah.

1748
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:23,760
right beside the road. I think it's

1749
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,360
already

1750
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,360
they would just be mowing around and it

1751
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:30,080
would keep people off that area.

1752
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:30,800
>> Yeah.

1753
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,440
Just

1754
01:29:33,440 --> 01:29:36,950
>> Yeah.

1755
01:29:36,960 --> 01:29:38,960
» I'd rather spend more on trees than

1756
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,840
legal easement work. So, whatever gets

1757
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:43,840
whatever is the easier one to just do

1758
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,520
trees and not spend it on.

1759
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,760
>> Yeah. Trees are better than

1760
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,239
Kevin.

1761
01:29:52,239 --> 01:29:55,120
you know, I I don't really have any um

1762
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,760
strong feelings one way or the other. I

1763
01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:59,280
think the money's been in there for

1764
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,159
quite a long time. So, I don't know that

1765
01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:04,719
there's any urgency to this, although I

1766
01:30:04,719 --> 01:30:07,520
do appreciate the suggestions. I think

1767
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:10,960
that uh we probably would have to have a

1768
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,280
little bit more thought about where the

1769
01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,840
you know where the trees would go and

1770
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,360
you know which areas are either worthy

1771
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:22,960
or the least disruptive of residents and

1772
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:24,639
go from there.

1773
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:27,520
>> Cool. So we can we don't have a deadline

1774
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:29,679
with this money other than withering

1775
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:33,280
away from inflation right?

1776
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:35,280
>> Yep. Set there for quite a while.

1777
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:38,719
>> Yeah. So, I planted them. I planted the

1778
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:40,320
seed, the trees,

1779
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:41,679
>> which is

1780
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:45,440
>> um think about it and um

1781
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:51,440
I'll put my pictures on line so we can see them. I think it's like that

1782
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:54,159
areas we were talking about. Um and you

1783
01:30:54,159 --> 01:30:55,440
know, look at the park, look at all

1784
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:57,199
these other things. Look between the two

1785
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,280
houses there. And if you see something

1786
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,719
else, let us know. And I I'll bring up

1787
01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:04,880
Does anybody have any ideas? I'll give

1788
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:08,960
Jacob just looking in general at

1789
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:10,719
price of the trees and what he would

1790
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:13,920
charge. I'm like, man, I said if we gave

1791
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,960
you $12,000, how many how many trees can

1792
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,239
we get, Jacob?

1793
01:31:18,239 --> 01:31:19,040
>> Well,

1794
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,719
>> something. Yeah,

1795
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:23,040
>> that looks about right, believe me. Um,

1796
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:24,719
the other thing that Jacob just sent me

1797
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:29,679
today was the um the little bushes. So I

1798
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:33,600
think I think they're um like uh not

1799
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,719
evergreen. It's the boxwoods are called

1800
01:31:36,719 --> 01:31:38,880
pit in mezanel park. The little guys

1801
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,520
around the edge and he wants to know

1802
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:43,120
whether

1803
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:46,480
uh we want to replace them or having to

1804
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:47,760
pull it out or

1805
01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,760
>> we have a grant that we're refurbishing

1806
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:50,880
the park

1807
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:53,040
>> still again.

1808
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:54,880
>> Yep. I was going to put that in my

1809
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,120
liazison report as an update. you have

1810
01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,840
to be a little faster when she doing the

1811
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,040
best I can.

1812
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:05,760
>> Okay, cool. So, we'll address

1813
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:09,840
um so that's it. I'll I'll you guys pick

1814
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,080
it up what you like. Um I'll get a

1815
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:13,679
little bit more information and we'll do

1816
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:18,560
it I'll do it for our next one.

1817
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:19,120
>> Okay.

1818
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,239
>> Thanks, Howard.

1819
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:23,040
>> Our next item is the we need to buy a

1820
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,199
refrigerator for the event barn. So, we

1821
01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:27,520
have a request by council member Toronto

1822
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:30,159
to to buy a refrigerator.

1823
01:32:30,159 --> 01:32:32,400
>> Yeah, I'll just give you guys just a

1824
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:35,440
little context. It's basically just

1825
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,520
we're looking for like a commercial

1826
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,400
refrigerator, something similar. Um

1827
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,480
something that people can put catering

1828
01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:45,120
trays in, cakes, things like that. We're

1829
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:46,719
getting requests for birthday parties

1830
01:32:46,719 --> 01:32:49,360
and different things. So I measured the

1831
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:52,560
space because of the counter depth out

1832
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,320
and then also the width because there

1833
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,560
are heating elements and things against

1834
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,840
the wall to for the space. So I did

1835
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:01,360
measure all that. It is going to stick

1836
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,840
out past the counter a few inches

1837
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,960
because anything um this is like a 25 in

1838
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,679
countertop. So anything smaller than

1839
01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:15,120
that is a really small like floor size

1840
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:17,199
refrigerator. So, to get the commercial

1841
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,040
size, it is going to stick out a little

1842
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:22,159
bit. Um, it won't have a freezer because

1843
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:23,920
to do a commercial with a freezer, it

1844
01:33:23,920 --> 01:33:26,239
has to be double and it won't fit in

1845
01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:27,760
that space, the width of it with the

1846
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,920
elements on the other side. So, long

1847
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,800
story short, it it would look pretty

1848
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:35,679
standard size. It would have no

1849
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:37,360
separator in the middle, glass door on

1850
01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:39,040
the front. It has to open to the right

1851
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:40,480
because it can't open to the left

1852
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:42,880
because it would hit the counter space.

1853
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,360
Um it will be on wheels so we can move

1854
01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:48,480
it and clean behind it. Um and so for

1855
01:33:48,480 --> 01:33:51,440
delivery um installation and the

1856
01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,639
refrigerator it's $17813.

1857
01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:57,600
So I'm requesting $1,800 to order the

1858
01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:01,990
refrigerator and have it delivered.

1859
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:06,400
» Okay. So, um,

1860
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,800
Deb and Heather prepared a budget

1861
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,280
amendment to accommodate this. And we

1862
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:15,520
had a pool of money, uh, sitting in

1863
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,239
parks and wreck

1864
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:21,280
uh, maintenance by virtue of the fact

1865
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,280
that um, we we put money aside in the

1866
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:27,920
event that we purchased or required that

1867
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,320
those fields over there by um, the

1868
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:32,320
orchard, which we did.

1869
01:34:32,320 --> 01:34:37,440
So, we had uh $8,537.

1870
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:40,159
So, what Deb and Heather did was take

1871
01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:43,120
$2,000 of that, put in parks and recck

1872
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,679
administration for your refrigerator,

1873
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:49,440
and put the other $6,500

1874
01:34:49,440 --> 01:34:53,040
back into the unappropriated reserves.

1875
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,880
So, if you guys want would like to

1876
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:56,880
approve the purchase of the refrigerator

1877
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:58,880
along with the budget amendment

1878
01:34:58,880 --> 01:35:01,120
simultaneously.

1879
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:02,639
Sounds good to me.

1880
01:35:02,639 --> 01:35:04,560
>> We can move on the lean push and go

1881
01:35:04,560 --> 01:35:05,360
home.

1882
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:07,760
>> All right.

1883
01:35:07,760 --> 01:35:11,520
So, we have a So, we have a uh u

1884
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,920
>> make a motion to approve the purchase of

1885
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,520
the refrigerator and the budget

1886
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:16,159
amendment.

1887
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,239
>> Okay. We have a motion by council member

1888
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:20,800
Mueller to She Did she just pull the web

1889
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:22,000
out? I don't know. You there?

1890
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:24,320
>> No. I'm spreading the second though.

1891
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,960
>> Um All right. So, we have a motion to uh

1892
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,239
authorize the purchase of the

1893
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:29,840
refrigerator that was presented this

1894
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,760
evening along with the budget amendment

1895
01:35:31,760 --> 01:35:34,800
taking $2,000 out of parks and recck

1896
01:35:34,800 --> 01:35:38,719
maintenance and cleaning uh and putting

1897
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:41,280
two that's $2,000 into parks and recck

1898
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:45,120
administration, taking another $6,000

1899
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:46,560
out of the same parks and recck

1900
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:47,679
maintenance and cleaning and putting

1901
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:49,920
back into the unappropriated reserved.

1902
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:51,360
We have a second on that.

1903
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:52,239
>> I'll second.

1904
01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:55,120
>> Seconded by council member. What's that?

1905
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:55,840
>> He sold that.

1906
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:56,560
>> He did.

1907
01:35:56,560 --> 01:35:57,199
>> You want it?

1908
01:35:57,199 --> 01:35:57,520
>> No.

1909
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:01,040
>> Okay. You going to find

1910
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,920
>> it? So, we have a second by seconded by

1911
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,480
Councilman uh Delaney. Now, you know

1912
01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,000
when the meeting is getting going off

1913
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:09,679
too late, everybody's getting a little

1914
01:36:09,679 --> 01:36:10,159
punchy.

1915
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:11,440
>> No.

1916
01:36:11,440 --> 01:36:13,280
>> Okay. So, we have a motion by Council

1917
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:14,960
Member Mueller, seconded by Council

1918
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,800
Member Delaney. Is there any board

1919
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,520
discussion?

1920
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:23,669
>> Any public comment?

1921
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:27,199
No. All in favor say I. I. Unanas.

1922
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:32,800
Wilson, Toronto, Mar and Delaney.

1923
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:37,840
Okay. Leaison reports. Uh am I is this?

1924
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,400
Okay. Um

1925
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:43,280
so liaison reports. I'm helping um

1926
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,760
Michaela with the Massel Park. We have a

1927
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,639
grant for that and we've had for maybe

1928
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:51,360
around a year. it was applied for. It

1929
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,639
has a plan for new plantings, hooking up

1930
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:56,560
the fountain. Well, I shouldn't say

1931
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,000
hooking up the fountain. We're putting

1932
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:01,520
in some hose bibs. Uh so, we have uh our

1933
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:08,719
own source of water for the um for the fountain and you know, that will

1934
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:12,000
include probably some uh uh right away

1935
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,920
or easement type work that may need to

1936
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,520
be done because it's a little convoluted

1937
01:37:15,520 --> 01:37:20,560
back there. So on next week on Thursday,

1938
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,880
Pat and I are meeting with Jeff Gladen.

1939
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,199
He's the plumber who did the plumbing

1940
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:27,760
tier. We particularly reached out to him

1941
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:29,679
because he did the horizontal boring to

1942
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:32,400
get to that meter vault or get to the

1943
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:33,920
Yeah. to hook up the meter vault and all

1944
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:35,600
that in the road if I remember

1945
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:36,560
correctly.

1946
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:37,440
>> The sidewalk.

1947
01:37:37,440 --> 01:37:39,760
>> Yeah. In the sidewalk area. And he's so

1948
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,520
that may have to be a similar type of

1949
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,040
work that has to be done there. It's

1950
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,960
taking us a long time to get a plumber,

1951
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:47,600
but uh after this was done, I reached

1952
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:51,280
out to Jackie and J and JCS said, you

1953
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:52,719
know, who's your plumber? We need to use

1954
01:37:52,719 --> 01:37:54,800
him. So, we're meeting with him on the

1955
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,480
20th at 2:00 in the afternoon to So,

1956
01:37:58,480 --> 01:38:00,400
that that answers the question there.

1957
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:02,480
will eventually be a landscaping

1958
01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:05,520
plan uh

1959
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,000
to well, the landscaping plan, as far as

1960
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,360
I know, exists. There'll be new

1961
01:38:09,360 --> 01:38:11,840
landscaping put in whether they're box

1962
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:13,520
quotes or not. I don't know.

1963
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,159
>> So,

1964
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,080
thank you very much. Hit the pause

1965
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:18,719
button.

1966
01:38:18,719 --> 01:38:21,199
>> Okay,

1967
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:22,320
>> that's it. Howard, did you have

1968
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:25,199
anything?

1969
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:28,880
>> Busy doing a lot of little

1970
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,880
um

1971
01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,709
with

1972
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:37,920
uh put in the new air conditioner in uh

1973
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:40,719
91. Kevin helped me check it out the

1974
01:38:40,719 --> 01:38:42,239
other day. Everything looks good on

1975
01:38:42,239 --> 01:38:44,159
that. As far as I know, they couldn't

1976
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:47,600
stay. Uh working on getting numbers for

1977
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:52,080
roof and gutter. Um got uh had the guy

1978
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:54,719
go over and look at leaky basement. Got

1979
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:58,639
a number from them. Um

1980
01:38:58,639 --> 01:39:00,239
so still so just putting that together

1981
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:02,560
so we know what we want to do um if we

1982
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:09,119
get a grant money. Um let's see. HBC

1983
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:11,119
um did a little bit of stuff the other

1984
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:13,119
day. Uh it was hard to tell. I wasn't

1985
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:17,760
connected very well with my phone. Um

1986
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,280
shaking.

1987
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,470
Um

1988
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:26,480
I think I think that's about it.

1989
01:39:26,480 --> 01:39:28,639
>> Okay, everyone take a deep breath. I'm

1990
01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:30,880
just

1991
01:39:30,880 --> 01:39:33,360
No, I mean I think finally this place is

1992
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,080
ready to go. Um the new you might have

1993
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:37,840
looked around and seen a little bit the

1994
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:40,960
doors fixed here. The dead bolts are on

1995
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,600
the doors. All the exterior doors have

1996
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,719
been rekeyed to have one key and not

1997
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:50,480
nine different keys. Um the keypads were

1998
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:53,199
finally have come in from Guardian. So

1999
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:55,760
the bathroom doors um we just got those

2000
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:58,560
in last week. Um once I get the app set

2001
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:03,119
up um on my phone and I can control it,

2002
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,679
I will be opening the bathrooms. Um the

2003
01:40:05,679 --> 01:40:07,760
way that it's going to work is I can set

2004
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,040
the bathroom doors to open at 8:00 in

2005
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,880
the morning. They'll be open to the

2006
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,360
public till 5 or 6:00 and they'll just

2007
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,280
be open. And then at 6:00 they will

2008
01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:21,280
close again remotely um automatically.

2009
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,880
So people won't have to need a code.

2010
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:26,000
They'll just be open for use. um they

2011
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,840
will be dead bolded on the inside, so

2012
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,040
they won't be able to come into the

2013
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:31,520
barn, but then when people do rent,

2014
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,280
they're going to have to unlock to be

2015
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:36,480
able to access from in here. The um

2016
01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:39,360
previous cleaning company was not very

2017
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:41,199
good at communicating with Michelle and

2018
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:42,960
I, and we had some issues with them, so

2019
01:40:42,960 --> 01:40:45,600
they've been let go. Um we have a new

2020
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,119
cleaning company that starts Monday, and

2021
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:49,840
they'll be cleaning once a week um to

2022
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,880
start for us to see how often we need.

2023
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,560
that will include bathroom cleaning and

2024
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:58,400
a sweep of the event barn. Um there is

2025
01:40:58,400 --> 01:41:00,880
the alarm up and running, but it's not

2026
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:03,920
on um currently.

2027
01:41:03,920 --> 01:41:06,480
Um

2028
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,480
Kayla was hired as the event barn

2029
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:11,760
coordinator on August 3rd. She came to

2030
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:14,719
me yesterday and put in her uh

2031
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:17,840
resignation. So I would be back um

2032
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,920
looking for a new event barn coordinator

2033
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:22,880
and interviewing again. she felt the job

2034
01:41:22,880 --> 01:41:26,639
was a lot than she expected. Um, getting

2035
01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:29,199
everything kind of off the ground. Um,

2036
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:31,440
so if anybody has anybody that they know

2037
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:34,400
that could be interested, um, we will be

2038
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,239
looking for someone and reposting that

2039
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,320
position.

2040
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:41,679
Um, my K9 and cornhole event, I am

2041
01:41:41,679 --> 01:41:43,760
changing the date. I'm moving the

2042
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,480
opening back um to the beginning of

2043
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:48,560
October. I'm coordinating with Prospect

2044
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,440
Pantry and the Lonely Hearts Rescue. Um,

2045
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:53,520
I just need a little more time to do

2046
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:55,119
everything now that I've lost Kayla

2047
01:41:55,119 --> 01:41:57,679
because she was helping with marketing.

2048
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:00,400
Um,

2049
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:02,159
but we have almost everything ready to

2050
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:04,080
go for that as far as the boards, the

2051
01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:10,709
t-shirts, and all that. Um,

2052
01:42:10,719 --> 01:42:14,719
and I think that's it for now for me.

2053
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:16,400
>> Okay. Thank you.

2054
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:20,719
>> Um, I have a couple of items. So on um

2055
01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:22,960
August 25th

2056
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,719
um Jessica Fitzwater is going to be in

2057
01:42:26,719 --> 01:42:31,440
New Market. Um she's visiting um the

2058
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:34,639
winery, New Market Plains. Um she's

2059
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:39,119
visiting the Derby and she's visiting um

2060
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:41,679
Green Haven on Maine, Green Valley

2061
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:43,360
Therapy

2062
01:42:43,360 --> 01:42:46,480
um and the new wellness lab that just

2063
01:42:46,480 --> 01:42:51,520
opened uh on Main Street. Um so

2064
01:42:51,520 --> 01:42:54,080
that's a great thing. There'll be I

2065
01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,280
think it will get the word out about

2066
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,000
some of the businesses at New Market.

2067
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:02,800
Um, also on August 29th, it is Play

2068
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,960
Music on the Porch Day, which if I

2069
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,239
remember from last year was very

2070
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,880
successful. I just got an email from

2071
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,920
Brooke today. So, I it's I don't know if

2072
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,840
I'm allowed to ask you all this now, so

2073
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,080
please correct me, but she was wondering

2074
01:43:16,080 --> 01:43:22,320
if um we could use meth Methanel Park

2075
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,920
and

2076
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:29,280
um the old old town hall and put a

2077
01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:33,199
musician in front of those buildings,

2078
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:34,719
those places.

2079
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,960
>> Think there'd be a problem. Massel Park.

2080
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:39,280
I'd be a little wary of because of the

2081
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:40,480
condition of

2082
01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:40,960
>> okay

2083
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,360
>> of the old town hall on Main Street.

2084
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:44,800
They're a little wary of that one. There

2085
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,000
certainly wouldn't be any electric

2086
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:47,760
available to them. They can't be in the

2087
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:48,080
building.

2088
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,480
>> No, I think it's like guitar and you

2089
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:52,480
know harmonas and things like that. I

2090
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:55,199
don't think it's anything.

2091
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:57,040
>> See, would anybody have any problems

2092
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,040
with them on the porch? They just can't

2093
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:00,880
go in the building limit.

2094
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,920
>> No, it's just in front of in front of

2095
01:44:03,920 --> 01:44:05,280
the building. I don't see that being

2096
01:44:05,280 --> 01:44:06,159
that.

2097
01:44:06,159 --> 01:44:06,719
>> Okay.

2098
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,560
>> Yeah, I don't either. I just It seems

2099
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,560
like it's well off the beaten path. And

2100
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,560
would anybody even wander back there?

2101
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,719
>> Not 47 South Valley

2102
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:15,119
Street.

2103
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:18,800
>> Main Street. Oh, okay. Very good. Um the

2104
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:23,360
other question was that Brook had was um

2105
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:26,960
if they if we could offer any parking,

2106
01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:30,080
can we offer parking at

2107
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,760
the Hondropy

2108
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:36,080
that day? Can't stop it.

2109
01:44:36,080 --> 01:44:37,840
>> Are you asking Winslow the mayor or just

2110
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,440
Winslow the dude?

2111
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:46,070
>> It's Winsler the dude. I'm like I

2112
01:44:46,080 --> 01:44:48,719
Winsler the mayor is I'll be like well

2113
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:50,480
if they complain about it I have to

2114
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,080
figure out what our authority is at this

2115
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:53,280
point.

2116
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:55,920
>> Okay. Okay. That's all I needed. I can I

2117
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,880
can work with that. Um so like I said

2118
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:02,159
last last year it went very well. If you

2119
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:05,679
have any time on Saturday, August 29th,

2120
01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:08,400
you should come on out and listen to the

2121
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:10,639
music on the porch.

2122
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:12,800
And that's everything. Oh, wait, one

2123
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,040
last thing. Um,

2124
01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:16,960
the first day of school is coming up and

2125
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,840
so we are all hopeful that

2126
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:23,679
the backup on Main Street is going to be

2127
01:45:23,679 --> 01:45:25,679
solved from our new New Market

2128
01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:30,159
Elementary pickup plan. Um, I posted

2129
01:45:30,159 --> 01:45:33,199
everything on Facebook in the Facebook

2130
01:45:33,199 --> 01:45:35,280
groups, specifically the ones that

2131
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:38,239
usually had, you know, some chatter

2132
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:41,920
about Main Street and it backing up. Um,

2133
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:46,639
I got a lot of comments on it. Most 90%

2134
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:49,679
were very positive. Um some of the

2135
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:50,960
middle school parents are a little

2136
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,880
concerned now that that we have

2137
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:54,800
complicated maybe their lives a little

2138
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:58,159
bit, but um the the principal at both

2139
01:45:58,159 --> 01:46:01,600
places keeps um reassuring them that

2140
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:04,080
they the parents are not allowed to come

2141
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:08,000
before 3:15. So for anyone listening,

2142
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,719
for anyone I'm I'm going to post again.

2143
01:46:10,719 --> 01:46:12,159
Please please please do not show up

2144
01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,560
before 3:15 to pick up your elementary

2145
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,320
school child.

2146
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:17,600
Is that something you could share with

2147
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:21,600
Michelle when she towns um thing?

2148
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,000
>> Yeah. Okay, definitely.

2149
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:24,719
>> Is that it?

2150
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:27,920
>> That's everything for me. Thank you.

2151
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:31,600
>> Um I stop Valley is officially listed,

2152
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,080
so we'll keep everybody posted on

2153
01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:37,280
updates with that. It sounds like we um

2154
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:39,040
might have some interest coming in this

2155
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:44,080
week. And then the bids for or the bid

2156
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,600
package for 90 West should be ready to

2157
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,280
start going out hopefully the end of

2158
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,520
this month and we'll start that process

2159
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:53,840
so that we can get the construction on

2160
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:55,360
new town hall started as soon as

2161
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:59,990
possible.

2162
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,639
» Yeah, that's all I have.

2163
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:05,040
>> Well, as short as yours was, I think

2164
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,920
mine's going to be that much longer as

2165
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:10,719
it usually is. Uh oh.

2166
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:12,639
>> So, the uh planning and zoning uh

2167
01:47:12,639 --> 01:47:16,000
commission met on Thursday, August 6th,

2168
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:19,520
and approved permit 2069B, the Calumet

2169
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:22,159
improvement plans phase one, including

2170
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:25,440
two variance reports for driveway size.

2171
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,199
The commission also reviewed and

2172
01:47:27,199 --> 01:47:28,880
recommended forwarding to the town

2173
01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:33,199
council the draft ADU ordinance 202605,

2174
01:47:33,199 --> 01:47:35,280
which we considered earlier in this

2175
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,440
meeting. In addition, the commission

2176
01:47:37,440 --> 01:47:39,440
authorized the town planner to schedule

2177
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,840
a public hearing on the draft master

2178
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:45,040
plan update formally issue the document

2179
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:46,960
for further comment by the state and the

2180
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:50,800
county. This initiates a com a comment

2181
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:53,520
period of 60 days and we heard that from

2182
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:57,119
Pat earlier uh this evening. Regarding

2183
01:47:57,119 --> 01:47:59,600
Glow Fiber, the final repairs to the

2184
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:02,000
town's infrastructure and hardcapes were

2185
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:05,119
delayed because of a contractor problem.

2186
01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:07,520
Glow Fiber now expects that these final

2187
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,920
repairs will be complete by the end of

2188
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,719
August. This has been posted on the

2189
01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:15,280
town's Facebook page to advise uh

2190
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,040
residents.

2191
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:18,800
The crosswalk sign at the northwest

2192
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,119
corner of Maine and Prospect Streets has

2193
01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,440
been replaced. The sign was knocked down

2194
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:25,760
by a tractor trailer on July 2nd,

2195
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,159
shortly after it was installed. There

2196
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:30,000
was at least one more incident of a

2197
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,159
tractor trailer trying to navigate that

2198
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,560
intersection and driving over the curb

2199
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:36,880
in portions of the sidewalk and grassy

2200
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,600
area prior to the placement of the sign.

2201
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:41,920
Ironically, had the sign been placed at

2202
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,000
that time, it would have been taken down

2203
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:46,560
again.

2204
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:49,440
>> On July 22nd, the sound the town sent a

2205
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:51,440
letter to Frederick County requesting

2206
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:53,920
that trucks be prohibited on Old New

2207
01:48:53,920 --> 01:48:56,960
Market Road. We received a response back

2208
01:48:56,960 --> 01:49:00,320
on August 10th saying the county traffic

2209
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,639
and permit section will review our

2210
01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:05,600
request and provide a formal response by

2211
01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,320
August 21st.

2212
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,239
The recently installed Ballard at the

2213
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:12,239
north alley pedestri pedestrian

2214
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:14,400
connection to William plumber has been

2215
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,880
repositioned so the locking mechanism

2216
01:49:16,880 --> 01:49:19,520
can be engaged. I have since locked the

2217
01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,080
ballard with one of our padlocks. I will

2218
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,639
provide a key to you, Nicole, to provide

2219
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:26,719
it to the fire department for emergency

2220
01:49:26,719 --> 01:49:29,760
case. Um, and we will hold on to another

2221
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:32,080
key at town hall.

2222
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,239
And finally, uh, the Frederick County

2223
01:49:34,239 --> 01:49:36,400
Council is scheduled to hold a public

2224
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:40,400
hearing on Tuesday, September 1st, 2026

2225
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,440
at 700 p.m. regarding the investing in

2226
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,040
workers and workplaces IW2 plan and

2227
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,080
associated resonings. This will take

2228
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,159
place in the first floor hearing room of

2229
01:49:52,159 --> 01:49:55,360
Winchester Hall. This will likely be the

2230
01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,000
last time we as a town can influence the

2231
01:49:58,000 --> 01:50:01,760
county to not change their land use and

2232
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,560
zoning maps to encourage further

2233
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:07,679
development in the county and encourage

2234
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:09,840
property owners to develop within the

2235
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,280
town by instead seeking means of

2236
01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:14,880
annexation.

2237
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:17,360
We are asking that proposed land use

2238
01:50:17,360 --> 01:50:20,480
designation and zoning changes for land

2239
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:22,719
within the town of New Market growth

2240
01:50:22,719 --> 01:50:26,880
area be deleted from the draft IW2 plan

2241
01:50:26,880 --> 01:50:29,199
and that instead they recommend adoption

2242
01:50:29,199 --> 01:50:32,480
of a workers and workplaces plan that

2243
01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:35,119
supports town growth and economic

2244
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:37,440
development and encourages town

2245
01:50:37,440 --> 01:50:39,119
annexation.

2246
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:41,920
So, I'd like to encourage town council

2247
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,400
and anyone in the town and surrounding

2248
01:50:44,400 --> 01:50:47,119
areas to attend the public hearing and

2249
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:49,360
help convince the county to modify the

2250
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,639
IW2 resoning plan to accommodate the

2251
01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:54,719
growth of the town instead of having the

2252
01:50:54,719 --> 01:50:58,400
county build up around us. Again, that

2253
01:50:58,400 --> 01:51:00,159
public hearing is Tuesday, September

2254
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:03,679
1st, 700 p.m. at Winchester Hall in

2255
01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:07,040
Frederick. And that's my report.

2256
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:08,560
>> Okay. I plan on being there. Maybe we

2257
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:09,920
can write in together.

2258
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:11,440
>> Yep. I'll go. Yep.

2259
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:13,199
>> All right. So, before we take a motion

2260
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:15,440
to adjurnn, is there any general public

2261
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:18,320
comment to be made? Does anybody in the

2262
01:51:18,320 --> 01:51:19,600
public want to make an evening?

2263
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,199
>> I have I have not a comment but an

2264
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,880
invitation

2265
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:29,199
um to you all to attend the workshop

2266
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:32,080
that the partnership is holding

2267
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:35,920
on Saturday, August 29th at Vintage to

2268
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:39,679
learn about the new facade program and

2269
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:42,080
the residential preservation grant

2270
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:43,920
program.

2271
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:47,119
Should be about an hour. Um, and these

2272
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:50,880
programs are a little different from our

2273
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:54,560
previous grant programs. Um, but it's

2274
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,800
open to everybody and uh, you're all

2275
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:59,440
invited.

2276
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:00,800
>> Okay. Thank you. Steve, just for the

2277
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:02,560
record, could you give give provide your

2278
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:03,679
name and address?

2279
01:52:03,679 --> 01:52:08,000
>> Sorry. Yeah. I'm Steve Steve Pippen, 13

2280
01:52:08,000 --> 01:52:11,599
West Main Street in New Market.

2281
01:52:11,599 --> 01:52:14,159
>> And could you provide uh, Michelle with

2282
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:15,920
some info on that? Maybe we could put

2283
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:21,679
that out on social media since it's a town. Oh, it's already Yeah, it's

2284
01:52:21,679 --> 01:52:23,440
already been done. Yeah. And I'm going

2285
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,599
to I'm going to flog it on Facebook,

2286
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:26,800
too. So,

2287
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:28,800
>> and

2288
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:32,719
there will be um Zoom meetings in

2289
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:37,360
September, uh depending on demand.

2290
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:38,400
Okay.

2291
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:39,679
>> Did you hear Steve? Did you hear

2292
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:41,440
Michaela's question about what time it

2293
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:45,760
would be on the 29th? Uh 10:00 a.m.

2294
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,599
>> 10 a.m.

2295
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:48,080
>> Yeah.

2296
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,159
>> Gotcha. Is that Is that your Is that all

2297
01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:51,360
your comment?

2298
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:52,800
>> Uh that's right.

2299
01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:54,960
>> Okay. All right. Very good. Any anyone

2300
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:58,149
else?

2301
01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:00,480
If not, we'll take a motion to adjurnn.

2302
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:01,599
>> A motion to adjurnn.

2303
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:03,360
>> We have a motion to adjurnn by council

2304
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:05,520
member Mueller. Seconded by

2305
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,239
>> I'll second.

2306
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:09,280
>> Seconded by council member Tunnel. Uh

2307
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:11,280
all in favor say I.

2308
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,360
>> It's unanimous. See you next month.

2309
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:16,320
Thank you very much for attending.

2310
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:19,910
>> Happy new year.

2311
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:23,599
» When did you put the pad on?

2312
01:53:23,599 --> 01:53:26,239
We're nine spots.