[0:06] And let me know what the path
[5:03] Okay. You good now? Okay.
[5:25] Now, we ready?
[5:28] Okay. All right. Welcome everybody. This
[5:30] is meeting of mayor and counsel for the
[5:31] town of New Market. Today's date is
[5:33] Thursday, August the 13th, 2026.
[5:36] Time is 7:01 uh p.m. We are here in our
[5:40] brand spanking new event barn, our home
[5:44] away from home until we move into uh 90
[5:48] uh West Main Street. Uh with us this
[5:51] evening are uh Councilman Wilson,
[5:54] Council Member Tunnel, Council Member
[5:56] Rav, myself, Mayor Burhans, Council
[5:58] Member Mueller, Council Councilman
[6:01] Delaney, CL uh clerk to council Michelle
[6:04] Mitchell, our planner is also with us
[6:08] virtually. Pat Fox, our engineer, Tim Ry
[6:10] with us as well. And last but not least
[6:14] is our new clerk treasurer, Heather
[6:16] Saxon, has joined us this evening. I
[6:18] would like every
[6:20] like to introduce Heather to everybody.
[6:21] I think some of you may have met her uh
[6:24] before the meeting, but uh she's been
[6:26] with us for about a month and uh she's
[6:29] doing really well and Deb and Michelle
[6:33] are delighted to have her and she's
[6:34] already making a whole lot of
[6:36] improvements and efficiency and all that
[6:38] stuff which I'm uh grateful for is as
[6:42] well. Um,
[6:44] so that being said, um, let's go ahead
[6:47] and move on to our, um,
[6:50] first item of business, which is the
[6:54] approval of the minutes for both June
[6:56] 11th and July the 9th. We'll just take
[6:59] uh, them one at a time. Has everybody
[7:01] had an opportunity to review the minutes
[7:03] for uh,
[7:06] June the 11th?
[7:08] And do we have a motion to adopt the
[7:10] minutes as written? All
[7:16] right.
[7:17] >> Okay. So, we have a motion to adopt the
[7:19] June 11th minutes as written. Do we have
[7:21] a second?
[7:23] >> I'll second.
[7:23] >> Seconded by uh councilman uh council f
[7:26] uh council member Morave. Uh is there
[7:30] any more board discussion?
[7:33] Just a point of order. That motion the
[7:34] original motion was made by council
[7:36] member Muller. I didn't know if I stated
[7:39] that or not. Okay. Any more board
[7:41] discussion?
[7:43] Public comment. All in favor say I. I.
[7:47] >> Okay, that passes unanimous unanimously.
[7:51] Wilson, Toronto, Morave, Mueller, and
[7:54] Delaney. Um,
[7:59] let me go ahead and just initial these
[8:00] and pass these down
[8:03] much less uh
[8:08] get lost in my shovel there.
[8:10] Okay. So then the
[8:14] minutes for July the 9th is everybody
[8:16] had an opportunity to uh review those
[8:19] and do I have a motion to adopt those
[8:21] minutes as written?
[8:24] >> Make a motion to adopt as written.
[8:26] >> All right. We have a motion to adopt the
[8:28] July 9th uh minutes as written by
[8:31] Councilman uh Delaney. Do we have a
[8:33] second?
[8:34] >> I'll second. We have a second by council
[8:37] member uh Toronto. Is there any more
[8:41] board discussion?
[8:44] Any public comment?
[8:46] >> All right. All in favor say I.
[8:48] >> Right. That's unanimous from Wilson Tron
[8:51] Mor
[8:52] and Delaney.
[8:57] » You guys are sitting out of order now.
[8:58] I'm getting all confused. It doesn't
[9:00] take much.
[9:05] Okay, there you go. All right, moving
[9:08] on. Continued business. So, last month
[9:10] we reviewed some uh we uh some requests by the New Market
[9:17] Volunteer Fire Company. Uh and they're
[9:21] they have come back this evening. Uh I
[9:25] you guys probably got the little memo
[9:27] from me. I did discuss with um the um
[9:31] town attorney about how we should go
[9:34] about dispersing monies that we would um
[9:38] approve and basically made it really
[9:40] simple. Um he went through the statute
[9:44] noted that there was no nothing new or
[9:47] anything new that would affect our
[9:49] ability to uh provide some monies to the
[9:52] fire department for the requests. Uh he
[9:55] noted that um
[9:58] making uh donations to your volunteer
[10:00] fire department is sort of a regular
[10:02] course of business for most
[10:03] municipalities.
[10:05] Uh he thought that um we did not really
[10:08] need to have a bidding process that um
[10:14] if and he also noted that um if we were
[10:17] to do a direct dispersement that would give the impression that
[10:21] we're actually purchasing the equipment
[10:23] and the fire department is purchasing
[10:24] equipment. So he suggested to make this
[10:27] really simple is let the fire department
[10:30] do whatever their bidding process is
[10:32] internally and whatever they decide to
[10:35] purchase we we will agree to fund up to
[10:37] a certain amount of whatever that
[10:39] apparatus is they bring us a copy of the
[10:42] sales order and we stroke them a check
[10:45] I don't know gentlemen if it gets any
[10:47] easier than that
[10:49] so which made me very happy because
[10:52] attorneys sometimes don't make things
[10:53] any easier Uh so anyway, that being
[10:57] said, I'll I'll uh hand the uh floor
[11:00] over to uh Council Member Morave to
[11:03] continue for the continued discussion.
[11:06] >> Yes. So last month, we weren't 100%
[11:09] certain how much money was in the speed
[11:13] camera funds. Since then, we thought it
[11:16] was around 400,000 or so. Since then, we
[11:20] were able to get the number of 642,000
[11:24] that's currently in the fund. So, my
[11:28] suggestion is that we fund the rescue
[11:32] struts and the utility truck. Um that
[11:39] with us funding those two items, the the
[11:42] rescue struts are $30,000.
[11:44] The um utility truck is $115,000.
[11:50] With that, we are still at $497,000
[11:54] in the speed camera fund. I think we all
[11:57] recognize that this is more than we
[12:00] would obviously give yearly to the fire
[12:03] department, but I think based on um how
[12:07] it hasn't been easy for them to access
[12:09] these funds um for the last few years
[12:12] and they have not received any that we
[12:16] can all kind of look at this as
[12:18] cumulative over the past few years
[12:20] knowing that it wouldn't be a yearly
[12:22] thing that we would able to we'd be able
[12:23] to do $145,000.
[12:25] Um, but that is what I would like to
[12:28] suggest to the group. Um,
[12:31] and Ben, I don't know if you have
[12:34] anything to say or if that's fine.
[12:37] >> Okay.
[12:39] >> Yeah. Don't snatch the feet from the
[12:40] jaws of
[12:44] » So, I leave it to you all, I guess, to
[12:46] discuss and decide if this is something
[12:48] we're willing and able to do. I I think
[12:52] it's a great idea and um
[12:56] it it puts us closer together. I mean,
[12:58] in the past we've been um we were close
[13:01] and then we kind of dip. Now I I think
[13:04] this puts uh puts us back on the right
[13:07] uh trail here.
[13:11] >> Anybody else?
[13:13] >> No,
[13:14] >> I agree with what Paul said too. just I
[13:17] know that it's been a few years of
[13:19] trying to figure this out to help kind
[13:21] of make up for the time lost and get us
[13:24] back to
[13:28] » I can just say because I live across the
[13:30] street from the fire department, they
[13:31] run a hell of a lot of calls and they're
[13:33] going to run a heck of a lot of more
[13:35] calls as the town in the area grows. So,
[13:38] I feel like this is a good
[13:41] reasonable investment for the town to
[13:43] make uh to the volunteer fire
[13:46] department.
[13:47] >> It's in our own interest that
[13:50] >> Yeah.
[13:52] So, I I would suggest that we make a
[13:56] motion to um
[13:59] set set aside uh $115,000
[14:05] uh for the what are we calling that?
[14:08] >> Um utility truck
[14:09] >> for the utility truck
[14:10] >> and and $30,000 for the struts
[14:15] >> for a total of
[14:18] what was that? 45
[14:19] >> $45,000 total.
[14:23] with the um understanding that when they
[14:26] ready for us to fund it, they'll bring
[14:27] us a copy of the sales order.
[14:31] >> Is that a motion somebody can make?
[14:33] >> I'll make a motion to file.
[14:35] >> Thank you.
[14:36] >> Okay. So, we have a motion uh uh by
[14:39] council member Tronel. Did you get did
[14:41] you get the motion out?
[14:43] >> I did.
[14:46] It's
[14:47] >> Do you want me to repeat it? Um I can
[14:48] pretty much um platform
[14:55] » right with but they will but we divide
[14:58] it up into 15
[15:00] and 30 for the stress. Okay. Good.
[15:03] >> So um council member Toronto made the
[15:06] motion and councilman
[15:08] Wilson second.
[15:10] >> Thank you.
[15:11] >> So is there any uh any board discussion
[15:14] on that?
[15:16] No. Any public comment?
[15:20] I'm not see I'm not seeing hands waving
[15:23] on the screen here. So, I guess we're
[15:25] okay with that.
[15:27] No.
[15:30] Okay. So, bring it back up front. All in
[15:31] favor say I.
[15:34] All right. That's unanimous with Wilson,
[15:36] Toronto, Morer,
[15:38] and Delaney.
[15:40] Thank you.
[15:42] >> Appreciate. Thank you for your service.
[15:43] Thank you for your patience.
[15:52] Okay, next item of business is the
[15:54] Linggonor High School homecoming parade
[15:56] request for uh September the 26th. And
[16:00] this is being presented by uh Mr. Brown
[16:02] from Lingard High School and the student
[16:05] government uh representatives for
[16:07] Lingard High School, which for which I
[16:08] don't think I have their names, but
[16:11] young ladies at Mon.
[16:14] Thank you.
[16:20] Yeah.
[16:43] » Hello.
[16:44] My name is Sydney Hall. I am
[16:45] president of the Lingor High School's
[16:47] SJA Student Government Association.
[16:51] Uh we would like to do the parade. Um I
[16:54] enjoy it. I've done it for the past um
[16:57] it'll be four years this year. Um
[17:00] getting the Linggonor High School
[17:01] spirits up and getting kickoff to the
[17:04] school year. Um yeah,
[17:08] >> my name's Emma Mobly. I'm the Lingor
[17:10] High School SJA vice president and I
[17:12] would also like to do the parade because
[17:14] it's a great way to get our community
[17:15] involved. It also shows young people
[17:17] that are say at New Market Middle
[17:19] School, New Market Elementary. It also
[17:21] brings them into the Lingor High School
[17:22] community.
[17:26] » Okay. So, this plan is the same as every
[17:28] other year and you guys have got
[17:31] everything covered from the either the
[17:34] caps or in the um sheriff's deputies
[17:37] office
[17:39] >> in progress. Okay. And then I I guess I
[17:43] will I let my season tickets go to
[17:45] Maryland football. So, I got all nothing
[17:46] better to do that Saturday.
[17:49] >> Yeah. So, uh so yeah. Um, so I'll I'll
[17:55] contribute that part, but other than
[17:57] that, it's the same it's the same plan
[17:59] as every year that we've done for the
[18:02] last
[18:04] several years.
[18:08] Did I say where Langor is rated number
[18:10] one in the state in football?
[18:16] » Don't want to jinx anybody.
[18:21] » Do we need a motion to
[18:22] >> Yeah. Do you want to uh someone make a
[18:24] motion to approve the plan as submitted?
[18:26] >> I'll approve the plan as submitted. I
[18:27] just did want to point out it. It says
[18:30] that you haven't enlisted the police,
[18:32] but you will. Or is that
[18:34] >> No.
[18:37] >> Okay.
[18:38] >> I know you've done this a million times.
[18:43] >> Okay.
[18:43] >> Yeah. This is kind of like our 5K. It's
[18:46] you don't really know what you're
[18:47] getting until you get it. Yeah.
[18:51] >> Yeah.
[18:52] >> Okay.
[18:57] » So,
[19:01] » right.
[19:03] >> Okay. Hopefully, keep our fingers
[19:04] crossed. Okay.
[19:06] >> Okay. So, we have a motion to approve
[19:09] the uh Linger High School homecoming
[19:11] parade plan uh as presented. Do we have
[19:14] a second on that?
[19:15] >> Second.
[19:16] >> Okay. Uh so is motion was made by
[19:19] council member Morave, seconded by
[19:21] council member uh Mueller. Do we have
[19:24] any more board discussion?
[19:27] Need public comment.
[19:30] >> All in favor say I.
[19:31] >> I unanimous Wilson Toronto Mor
[19:37] and Delaney.
[19:39] Is that the copy I need to sign?
[19:46] people
[20:10] here county
[20:21] Yeah.
[20:26] » Yeah. So,
[20:28] >> so we um we actually started looking
[20:31] into like a um what do you call it?
[20:34] >> Youth council.
[20:36] >> Yeah. Um,
[20:38] but there was some question about,
[20:41] you know, I know schools and
[20:44] like parental permission, who could be
[20:46] around the students, it did they need to
[20:49] be fingerprinted, how often did those
[20:52] fingerprints need to be run? And so it
[20:55] kind of scared me a little bit because I
[20:57] didn't want to um you know get too into
[21:00] the weeds I guess with like fingerprints
[21:04] and
[21:05] >> you
[21:10] know
[21:11] >> Okay.
[21:12] >> Yeah. I'd love to and I have like an
[21:14] application and everything. We just
[21:16] never pulled the trigger on it because
[21:20] >> Okay. Okay. I have your email.
[21:23] Okay.
[21:24] >> I think it's a great idea involved.
[21:27] >> Yeah.
[21:27] >> And local specific government. For sure.
[21:30] Yeah.
[21:31] >> And thank you, Mr. Brown, because I know
[21:33] you do a lot with that and
[21:35] >> I mean the program.
[21:39] Well, and I think last year when Lily
[21:41] did that for her project, it was great
[21:43] because we had so many volunteer
[21:45] students, they came out for the
[21:47] Christmas and New Market and a lot of
[21:49] different things that and they all seem
[21:51] to really enjoy it. 5 and all that.
[22:02] Market.
[22:20] » Okay. Yeah. And I think like you have to
[22:24] be a leader
[22:28] because we have leadership want to do
[22:32] leadership. So
[22:33] >> nice.
[22:35] >> Thank you.
[22:41] guys.
[22:45] » Okay. Next item of business is the MDE
[22:48] MS4 permit update and general asset
[22:51] management update. And Manda Baker from
[22:53] Will Centry Ballard is producing that
[22:55] and she's with us virtually.
[23:00] » Hear me just
[23:03] so we're doing tonight is just an
[23:06] informal briefing to give an update on
[23:08] where their permit is. I know as
[23:11] engineers I throw out a lot of acronyms.
[23:13] So, let me try to really simplify what
[23:16] this means. Um,
[23:19] building on the briefing that I gave
[23:21] about a year ago to to the new council,
[23:23] it means that uh, as of 2024, March of
[23:27] 2024,
[23:29] the census results show the new market
[23:31] was about 1500 residents over a
[23:33] thousand, which means that that size,
[23:36] New Market is classified as their own
[23:38] urban entity, and needs to control their
[23:42] runoff. uh anything that leaves the town
[23:45] of New Market in Perious and enters
[23:48] ditches and makes makes its way through
[23:50] a stream or waters river.
[23:53] >> Uh it's up to the town of New Market to
[23:55] make sure that is clean storm water run
[23:58] by mouth. Uh it's a triple down effect
[24:01] from the EPA and parts of the clear
[24:03] water clean water acts. The local
[24:06] administration is the MDE, the Maryland
[24:08] Department of the Environment. now
[24:10] passed down which was previously under
[24:13] Creger County's control is now passed
[24:16] down to New Market because of its
[24:17] population size.
[24:19] Um
[24:21] uh so there are several parts of what it
[24:25] means to be put in control of their own
[24:27] permit and their own runoff. Uh there's
[24:30] some background work that we have
[24:31] already done thanks to the grant that
[24:33] the town won in the fall of 2024. We
[24:37] were able to do a lot of the background
[24:38] work that Amanda will
[24:41] go through later when she shares her
[24:43] screen and shows the database work and
[24:45] all information that we've already
[24:47] entered in. So that is the mapping
[24:49] component. So the town needs to know
[24:52] where all of its water runoff
[24:55] infrastructure is, pipes, storm drains
[24:57] or water management pods. So we've taken
[25:00] the time, we've gone through all the
[25:01] improvement plans for streetscape for
[25:04] all the developments like Royal Oaks and
[25:06] Brinkley Manor. We've entered in all
[25:08] those drainage structures and we've
[25:10] entered in store water management pond
[25:12] footprints and the drainage areas and
[25:14] those storm water management ponds.
[25:16] That's a lot of the background that we
[25:17] did with the grant money.
[25:20] There's next steps that fall on the town
[25:22] to implement and make sure they're doing
[25:25] the best they can to inform citizens
[25:27] about the clean water. There's aspects
[25:30] of um community engagement, teaching the
[25:34] community about pollution, about not
[25:36] dumping the oil into the sewer, and
[25:38] there's also aspects of sort of
[25:41] community policing there. Another aspect
[25:44] of this permit is that the community
[25:46] needs to have availability and a way to
[25:51] uh flag discharges that like if you see
[25:53] your neighbor dumping his oil to the
[25:55] stove drain or if you see your neighbor
[25:58] is raiding his backyard to put a hole
[25:59] in, there's a round water well coming
[26:02] straight down into the screen. There
[26:03] needs to be a way to uh report that so
[26:07] that the so it can be noted. Uh there's
[26:12] uh a governmental ordinance side of it, but the town
[26:18] already has a lot of that covered. So
[26:20] the town needs to be able to inspect and
[26:22] look at all storm drains, whether
[26:24] they're private, public property, and
[26:26] storm water management facilities.
[26:28] Luckily the way all your improvement
[26:30] plans and agreements were written for
[26:32] Franklin matter the order Royal Oaks the
[26:36] HOAs themselves are responsible for this
[26:38] and they take the responsibility and the
[26:41] town has easements on all those storm
[26:43] water management facilities. So we
[26:45] already have that aspect where we can
[26:47] access and inspect the storm water
[26:49] management facilities in the
[26:51] developments throughout town. And
[26:54] another phase of it is the very last
[26:56] phase. Once you get your permit, you do
[26:59] yearly updates. You uh do a yearly
[27:02] report with the NDE saying that you're
[27:04] following everything that needs to be
[27:06] done. You're keeping your uh pipe system
[27:08] clean. You're keeping your ditches clean
[27:11] and you are actively trying to treat
[27:13] squirler run town.
[27:17] Um there's also a lot uh an aspect of
[27:20] training that belongs to town staff
[27:24] which is the environment doesn't have to
[27:25] worry about getting you don't have a
[27:26] DPW, you don't have a maintenance yard,
[27:29] you're not changing oil and watering
[27:31] trucks and things like that. So being
[27:33] how small you are so far, you don't have
[27:35] to worry about that aspect of the permit
[27:37] yet.
[27:39] Um, so I'm going to turn it over to
[27:41] Amanda to let you know what the progress
[27:43] we made so far. And two items we're
[27:46] presenting tonight are sort of
[27:47] intertwined. The database she's going to
[27:49] show has the storm water infrastructure,
[27:52] but it also has some other town
[27:54] attributes that you collected along the
[27:57] way such as sidewalk ramps, lighting,
[28:00] um, urban gutter condition and quality
[28:03] throughout town. So I'll turn it over to
[28:06] Amanda to share the database.
[28:09] Thanks, Jim. Is everybody able to hear
[28:11] me? Okay.
[28:14] >> Amanda attorney.
[28:24] You hear me now?
[28:51] Try saying something now.
[28:53] >> All right. Are we good to go?
[28:55] >> We're getting there.
[28:57] >> Okay.
[29:13] Is that going? Yeah, go ahead. I have to
[29:15] speak a little bit loud, but go ahead.
[29:17] >> All right. Um, I'll go ahead and start
[29:19] sharing my screen and
[29:23] we can begin getting started. I
[29:25] appreciate everybody's time for me to
[29:27] kind of briefly go over the permit
[29:30] status, uh, where we stand, next steps.
[29:33] So, Tim provided a little bit of an
[29:35] introduction on what the permit is. Um,
[29:39] tonight we'll go over an overview of the
[29:42] anticipated permit. Uh my last
[29:44] correspondence with MDE was um June 10th
[29:49] in which they were providing um response
[29:52] to comment on draft permit and they hope
[29:55] to have revisions to the draft permit
[29:58] sometime the end of this summer.
[30:00] Sometimes that delays a little bit
[30:02] because MD is underst staffed. Um but
[30:04] they're doing a a good job getting
[30:07] everything in order. Um, we'll go over
[30:11] um some live demos of what we've
[30:13] collected.
[30:20] » Sorry, what was that? You glitched a
[30:22] bit.
[30:23] >> One second.
[30:54] Thank you.
[32:00] Well, the neighbors
[32:02] involves they watch it all before they
[32:06] movies and so they're in so now we are
[32:09] watching and we keep going together
[32:14] behind the scene.
[32:16] So we have it along. It's crazy.
[32:19] >> He's got like his
[32:23] >> best. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I may as
[32:27] well like try to get a workout. Yeah.
[32:36] » Are you able to hear me now?
[32:43] » Okay. Um I'm not sure where you were
[32:47] able to hear me or not, but um brief
[32:51] overview of what we'll go over today is
[32:54] um the anticipated permit overview. Um a
[33:00] little bit of coordination that we've
[33:01] had along the way in getting things set
[33:03] up for the town. some live demos of the
[33:07] database that we've developed and um a
[33:10] high level demo of overall assets for
[33:14] the town of New Market and an
[33:16] opportunity for folks to ask questions.
[33:33] So there are um six minimum control
[33:36] measures that are anticipated for this
[33:38] permit which is pretty typical for all
[33:41] MPDS um MS4 permit requirements. One is
[33:45] public outreach and education
[33:48] um public involvement and participation.
[33:50] So these two are fairly intertwined in
[33:52] which um we'll provide educational
[33:55] opportunities uh for citizens as well as
[34:00] any um staff of the town. Granted,
[34:03] there's not much in the way of staff
[34:04] right now. Um, and ways for them to
[34:07] participate. That can include um stream
[34:10] cleanups, being part of the green team,
[34:13] um, if there's any collaboration with
[34:16] local schools. There's a lot of
[34:17] opportunities for the the town to be
[34:21] able to claim these first two uh,
[34:23] minimum requirements.
[34:25] The third is elicit discharge,
[34:27] detection, and elimination. And
[34:30] essentially what this is is they're
[34:31] looking for hot spots where there's
[34:34] illicit discharge. And what that means
[34:35] is potential pollutants entering the
[34:38] waterways. That can be um grease from
[34:41] grease traps at restaurants. It can be
[34:44] any residues coming off of maintenance
[34:47] yards. So any potential contaminant that
[34:50] could be entering um
[34:52] entering into the storm drain. They're
[34:54] looking for those hot spots. Uh a lot of
[34:56] times you'll see those coming out of
[34:58] storm drain outfalls and you'll be able
[35:00] to trace those back. Um also the
[35:04] construction of um storm water runoff
[35:07] controls
[35:09] uh which is going to be your storm water
[35:10] management facilities post construction
[35:13] storm water management. That's going to
[35:15] be the inspection, typically a triannual
[35:17] inspection of the facilities to ensure
[35:19] that they're in good standing and
[35:20] reporting any maintenance that's done
[35:22] and pollution prevention and good
[35:24] housekeeping. And that's looking at
[35:27] overall town uh facilities and ensuring
[35:30] that there's no um exposure of
[35:33] contaminants to the local waterways, um
[35:36] fueling stations, for example, any
[35:39] maintenance yards. Obviously, these a
[35:41] lot of these are going to be for larger
[35:43] scale municipalities. So, it will be
[35:46] scaled down um to follow in suit with the size of the town. Um and the
[35:53] final very large uh component is the
[35:56] impervious area restoration requirement.
[35:59] And typically for the first year of a
[36:03] new permittee, there will be a 20%
[36:06] reduction in untreated impervious area.
[36:11] And so we've started going through the
[36:13] process of identifying all of the storm
[36:17] drain um pipes, structures that can
[36:19] include manholes, inlets, um different
[36:24] um junction boxes, and so forth. as well
[36:28] as identifying all of the storm water
[36:29] management facilities and delineating
[36:31] all the drainage areas for that. And
[36:34] with that information, what we're able
[36:35] to do is um quantify the amount of
[36:39] imperous area that is currently draining
[36:43] to a storm water management facility.
[36:45] And once we have that that number, it's
[36:48] called the baseline. And so, for
[36:51] example, if we say we have a 100 square
[36:54] miles of untreated impervious area, our
[36:59] um permit requirement over the the
[37:01] 5-year permit would typically be a 20%
[37:05] reduction. And so, instead of 100, you
[37:07] would want to see 80. And the ways that
[37:10] you can meet this criteria is you can do
[37:14] stream and outfall works or stream
[37:16] restoration. If you have outfalls
[37:19] um that are eroding um there's there's
[37:22] various measures you can do to treat
[37:24] those um tree plantings, sports
[37:27] conservation and um septic connections.
[37:31] So, tying current septic systems into uh
[37:35] public
[37:37] water and sewer.
[37:40] So, out of the six minimum control
[37:44] measures um that we know are going to be
[37:47] in place, we're in very good shape for
[37:50] the first three with not even have the
[37:53] permit in place yet. Um you know, the
[37:56] town already has the green team. We
[37:59] already have educational
[38:01] uh material and I'll go over that in a
[38:04] little bit more detail in a moment. Um
[38:06] we have training material to be able to
[38:10] train any potential staff that will come
[38:12] on or if you have a contractor that's
[38:14] coming on if you want them to get
[38:17] trained in it, you can also report that
[38:19] to MDE. Um especially since the town
[38:22] some of that some of those contractors
[38:25] essentially act as the the town's
[38:26] maintenance. um elicit discharge
[38:29] detection elimination. I've gone through
[38:32] and identified locations and
[38:34] opportunities to um do sampling and the
[38:38] appropriate documentation for that. The
[38:41] last three, construction of storm water
[38:43] facilities, um post construction of
[38:46] storm water management facilities.
[38:48] Obviously, we're not to a point where
[38:52] we're designing new storm water
[38:53] facilities or retrofitting existing
[38:55] ones. So, those two,
[38:58] we're just not there yet. The permit's
[39:00] not mature enough really. It doesn't
[39:02] even exist yet um for us to be able to
[39:05] address these two. And the last one is
[39:08] pollution prevention and good
[39:09] housekeeping. Um the town doesn't have a
[39:12] lot in the way of its own assets for
[39:14] there to be a very large program for
[39:16] this. So, I'm currently in coordination
[39:18] with MDE to help better define what the
[39:20] requirements are going to be for the
[39:22] town.
[39:24] Um, for the impervious restoration, I
[39:26] mentioned that baseline. So, we've
[39:28] gotten the impervious area inventory,
[39:30] um, the storm water and drainage, um,
[39:33] delineation,
[39:34] our treatment calculations for all the
[39:36] storm water management facilities, as
[39:39] well as the, um, impervious area
[39:41] baseline calculated. So essentially what
[39:44] amount of imperous area within the town
[39:46] is already being treated.
[39:49] Um the agency coordination as I
[39:52] mentioned we've been coordinating with
[39:54] MDE as well as state highway
[39:57] administration and the county. Um
[39:59] they're going to be, you know, obviously
[40:02] adjacent partners um going through Main
[40:05] Street with the changes in right of way
[40:08] um with the the project that occurred
[40:11] several years ago. Um coordinating who's
[40:13] going to be responsible for treatment
[40:15] within that area. um and essentially
[40:18] establishing a a relationship that's
[40:20] going to demonstrate the town is going
[40:22] to be good partners to those adjacent uh
[40:25] entities.
[40:28] And for the MPDS database, this is a
[40:31] quick map um given just an overview of
[40:35] what we have in place currently. And
[40:37] what you can see is the green areas are
[40:41] currently the areas that are treated by
[40:42] storm water management facilities. The
[40:45] yellow is untreated town impervious.
[40:50] The purple is SHA impervious and blue is
[40:55] um Frederick County. And if you'll
[40:57] notice going through Main Street um that
[41:01] showing is SHA and that is intentional.
[41:04] I know that may flag question. Uh we've
[41:07] been coordinating with State Highway on
[41:09] defining who's going to have
[41:10] responsibility for Main Street. And
[41:13] currently the way that their permit is
[41:14] set up, they already have jurisdiction
[41:17] for that. So until their permit um
[41:20] expires or they have to recalculate a
[41:23] baseline, it's going to maintain under
[41:25] them. And so that gives us a little bit
[41:28] of leeway in terms of being able to get
[41:30] the program established and focusing on
[41:33] kind of more lowhanging fruits. As we
[41:35] all know, Main Street's pretty well
[41:37] developed, so it's going to be a lot
[41:39] more difficult to provide treatment in
[41:40] that area.
[41:42] Um, another thing that we've done is
[41:45] provided a story map. So, we went
[41:47] through and developed
[41:51] a outline of the town status
[41:55] and this ties into um public engagement,
[41:59] education, outreach. So, it gives an
[42:02] overview of what the permit is. Um so we
[42:06] go through kind of it ex it um runs
[42:10] every five years you know provides links
[42:13] to u get more information as well as an
[42:16] interactive map showing the town's storm
[42:19] water structures um and stormwater
[42:22] management facilities
[42:24] listing out what the town requirements
[42:27] are and I'll provide a link to this so
[42:28] that um folks can can kind of poke
[42:32] through on their own time but it clearly
[42:34] lays about what each of the minimum
[42:36] control measures are.
[42:39] We also have an outline of what our
[42:41] currently efforts are current efforts
[42:44] are um underway right now and a little
[42:47] synopsis of what folks can do right now
[42:50] in helping us get uh ramped up for this
[42:52] permit. Um overall, we're in a very good
[42:57] position. um we've been able to get a
[42:59] lot done before the permit has even
[43:01] fully been published and active. And so
[43:04] a lot of what we're doing is very
[43:06] proactive and making sure that we're
[43:09] setting the the talent up for success.
[43:11] So this isn't live yet. Um you know,
[43:14] it's just something that we've been
[43:15] working on internally, but again, I'm
[43:17] happy to to share this link with folks.
[43:20] And another part of the
[43:26] permit is going to be the ability for
[43:29] citizens to submit complaints. And what
[43:32] that will entail is um providing some
[43:35] minimum contact information, the type of
[43:38] complaint, and this is going to tie
[43:41] directly in with that elicit discharge I
[43:43] was mentioning. So, um, illegal dumping,
[43:46] if there's construction erosion that's,
[43:48] um, not being treated and and making its
[43:50] way off site, um, people dumping stuff
[43:53] down storm drains. Um, they'll select
[43:55] the type, the date, um, a description of
[43:59] the issue, and they'll be able to go
[44:01] through this interactive map and drop a
[44:04] pinpoint on
[44:06] where um, the issue is. They can submit
[44:10] photos and that will all get pushed up
[44:12] to us. will get notified and it is going
[44:16] to provide the required documentation
[44:18] that's going to be required for the
[44:19] permit. So again, although this isn't
[44:21] needed right now, we have everything set
[44:24] up so that the town is ready
[44:29] and
[44:31] kind of uh associated with with that is
[44:33] the town's overall asset management
[44:35] database. So as time is allowed um you
[44:40] know and and budget we've been working
[44:42] on
[44:44] developing a pretty robust repository
[44:46] for the town's asset management program
[44:50] and we've gone through and we've been
[44:52] able to digitize items such as um
[44:55] sidewalk curb and gutter um water sewer
[45:00] electrical obviously the storm water uh
[45:03] storm drain. We have all of the town
[45:06] signs as well as inspection records and
[45:09] photos for all of those signs and all of
[45:11] the town's lighting posts and lights.
[45:14] Um, and I'll exit out of this just for a
[45:18] moment to show a little bit of an
[45:20] overview of of what that looks like in a
[45:22] little bit more detail. So, as I zoom in
[45:24] here, um, you can see that the out uh
[45:28] center lines for the sidewalks are
[45:30] outlined. Um we have blue here for
[45:33] water, yellow for gas, etc. And if we
[45:36] were to go and um open up
[45:41] one of the tables associated with it,
[45:46] um we have the framework set up to where
[45:49] the um size of the gas for example, the
[45:54] structure type, any inspection
[45:56] information, maintenance needs are all
[45:58] going to be organized here um to make it
[46:00] a lot easier, especially as the town
[46:02] matures, to keep track of their assets.
[46:04] That's um and I know this was a very
[46:07] quick synopsis. I don't I don't want to
[46:10] take up too much of everybody's time,
[46:12] but if anybody has questions or would
[46:14] like me to go over anything in more
[46:15] detail, I'm more than happy to.
[46:19] on the what you've been showing us with
[46:22] the color maps uh with the area
[46:26] different people control the permanent
[46:29] surface thing. Is that avail access
[46:32] accessible to us now or is this still
[46:33] something you're working on?
[46:36] >> It's still in draft format because I
[46:38] haven't um been able to submit to MD for
[46:40] approval, but I'm happy to create a PDF
[46:42] of the map and submit it to um you know,
[46:46] town council for review. That would be
[46:49] great because it'd be neat to see it in
[46:52] a larger format or in detail that we can
[46:55] kind of see the areas we're talking
[46:57] about there.
[46:58] >> Sure. Yeah, I'll make sure that I have
[47:00] the drainage areas that we use to define
[47:03] those treatment areas um included on the
[47:05] map for you.
[47:06] >> Yeah, that would be great.
[47:20] There any other questions that anybody
[47:22] might have? I'm more than happy.
[47:29] » Any timeline you think this may occur?
[47:32] Maybe you said it. I didn't hear it
[47:36] >> for the permit.
[47:38] Well, that this active uh thing you're
[47:43] just showing us now is still on the
[47:44] screen. Is that going to be accessible
[47:46] to us? And when do you think it will be?
[47:48] If it is,
[47:50] >> the NPDS database will be accessible um
[47:55] once we have the full terms of the
[47:58] permit so that we can make sure
[47:59] everything's structured appropriately.
[48:01] So, it's still in a working format right
[48:03] now. it will get p pushed up to ARJS
[48:06] online and it will be available for um
[48:09] limited public review um view. So when I
[48:13] say that the entire database, you know,
[48:15] with all of the associated attributes
[48:17] won't be available simply because it
[48:20] it's a lot of data, but all of the major
[48:23] items such as the inventory, the um
[48:27] status of them, characteristics, uh etc.
[48:30] will be available. But if there's
[48:32] anything that anybody needs in more
[48:34] detail, um you know, we can certainly
[48:37] get that um you know, published for you.
[48:40] the time frame on that, it's going to be
[48:43] contingent on when the permit is
[48:47] finalized and pushed out. Um, so
[48:51] that's still kind of an unknown when
[48:54] that permit's going to get pushed out.
[48:56] Um, there's been a little bit of a lag
[48:59] in when it originally was going to get
[49:02] published versus
[49:04] now. It it should have been published
[49:06] already.
[49:09] So within the next year,
[49:11] >> I would assume certainly.
[49:14] >> And
[49:15] is all of this data available to the
[49:19] town?
[49:20] Because it sounds like
[49:24] you guys are the gatekeepers for this
[49:26] data
[49:28] even though the town wouldn't own it.
[49:32] So we set up a RJS online account for
[49:36] the town and all of that information is
[49:39] going to be stored on the town's
[49:40] account. So um although we're
[49:43] maintaining it, it is within um the
[49:47] town's RJS online account. So everything
[49:50] will be hosted from there and then um
[49:53] separate interactive maps will be
[49:55] created for um you know citizens to be
[49:58] able to go on and take a look and if
[50:01] there's any other you know custom
[50:03] mapping or reporting that anybody would
[50:07] like um we're more than happy to to
[50:10] cater as needed. But all of the all of
[50:13] the data, you know, obviously the town
[50:15] owns, the town has full access to on
[50:17] their account.
[50:19] >> Yeah.
[50:27] GI instruments is the one GIS now.
[50:32] RGis whatever
[50:35] that is also they have going to see that
[50:38] data that format so 880 mark
[50:44] last for at least a year and I think the
[50:48] idea is like a very detailed building
[50:55] uh and a member of the community or a
[50:58] member of the
[51:00] to see if you're not going to see uh any
[51:05] are
[51:08] >> why not
[51:10] >> I think
[51:12] it's well if you're willing to pay with
[51:15] the credits then all that information
[51:18] you could be able
[51:19] >> it's our information to begin with why
[51:21] are we paying extra for it
[51:23] >> you have no credit how many people
[51:25] access it and use it the more people
[51:28] that access and use it the for you
[51:29] today. So
[51:30] >> I Okay, I'm
[51:33] this may be typical of every
[51:35] municipality then but
[51:39] usually when we pay for information it's
[51:41] acceptable without having to pay more.
[51:43] It sounds like you know and I'm not you
[51:47] I know you guys are using a system but
[51:49] if if we pay for the information we want
[51:51] to look at something that day
[51:54] why do we have to go through all the
[51:56] break that should be somewhere
[51:58] accessible and up to date I'll let you
[52:05] in terms of towns you
[52:09] have town set that have this computer
[52:12] program that they like you're talking
[52:14] about a program that can cost $6,000 a
[52:17] year to rent a security program. So as
[52:19] of right now the risk of editing and
[52:22] that data and and it's posted online
[52:27] editing and changing that data uh once
[52:30] we set up like I said
[52:34] GIS uh staff or their account editor has
[52:37] an AIS account but they edit that data
[52:40] on their own that's when you have access
[52:43] that data but a free account if you just
[52:45] see the line you don't have full access
[52:48] to edit and manipulate that band. Is
[52:51] that
[52:53] explanation?
[52:59] » Yes.
[53:05] >> She may not have been able to.
[53:10] » Tim, you're you're pretty echoy. Were
[53:12] you asking for concurrence in your
[53:14] description?
[53:15] >> Yeah.
[53:16] I I agree with your description.
[53:18] Um the software that's used is ARJIS
[53:23] Pro. Um that's what you see on my
[53:25] computer right here. And as he was
[53:27] describing, typically larger
[53:29] municipalities have um on-site staff or
[53:33] for example the state, they have on-site
[53:35] staff as well as consultant staff. Um
[53:37] myself being one of them. uh where we
[53:42] help manage that data. You know, the
[53:44] state, the town, whoever that client is,
[53:46] they they own that data and, you know,
[53:50] obviously have full access to it,
[53:52] whatever reporting, you know, is is
[53:55] requested. It's it's there. Um, but with
[53:58] the town being so small and not having
[54:01] staff, not having a license, that's why
[54:04] everything's being done essentially on my machine and then being pushed up
[54:09] and stored on ARJS online. So all of the
[54:12] data is under the town's account and
[54:15] ownership.
[54:17] So if if the town were to let's say hire
[54:19] a GIS person, they would be able to log
[54:22] directly into the account and access and
[54:26] edit, manipulate, run analyses on the
[54:29] data as as desired.
[54:34] » Okay, I I understand it better now.
[54:36] Thank you.
[54:37] >> Sure. Of course.
[54:44] Any other questions?
[54:50] Okay, thank you.
[54:52] >> Y thank you for your time.
[54:54] >> Thank you.
[55:03] » Okay, excuse me. Next item of business
[55:06] is the introduction of the draft ADU
[55:09] ordinance 2026-05.
[55:13] uh presenting is Pat Fox, town planner
[55:16] and zoning administrator. As you might
[55:17] remember, we were introduced to the
[55:19] concept and had some background
[55:21] discussion last month and this month
[55:23] it's up for introduction. So Pat, if
[55:26] you're with us and can take it from
[55:28] here,
[55:30] >> I'd be happy to. So the draft ordinance
[55:33] that has been shared with council
[55:36] members has been updated a bit from uh
[55:39] the materials that we provided to you
[55:42] earlier. Uh after consultation with the
[55:45] town uh attorney on uh what the state is
[55:49] requiring of us in the final um
[55:53] legislation that they passed. Um, we had
[55:57] come to the conclusion that the best way
[55:59] to incorporate this requirement is to
[56:01] add a new article to the LDO rather than
[56:04] to try and modify our our current
[56:07] accessory structure elements as I had
[56:11] been proposing to do earlier. So, the
[56:12] draft still has the same basic content.
[56:16] It's just being added as a a new chapter
[56:19] to the LDO. Uh the other change that you
[56:23] see in the draft that we're recommending
[56:25] for approval is that
[56:28] uh we're proposing that there be a site
[56:31] plan requirement for an ADU and that site plan uh would be approved
[56:39] administratively by the zoning
[56:41] administrator uh once confirmation
[56:44] of a fairly long list of requirements
[56:48] has been confirmed.
[56:50] And that again is something that we've
[56:52] concluded that the state is requiring of
[56:55] us that we are not not able to do any
[56:58] kind of a kind of discretionary review
[57:02] of the use. We just need to um confirm
[57:05] that we've met all the requirements that
[57:08] the state has imposed on an accessory
[57:10] dwelling unit.
[57:12] The the list of requirements does
[57:15] include that the property owner would
[57:18] need to go to the county and get
[57:20] confirmation that there is available
[57:22] water and sewer and that that service
[57:25] can be extended uh to the the new
[57:29] proposed building.
[57:32] The other uh variation uh is that in
[57:36] order to
[57:38] um be able to look at additional parking
[57:42] for the accessory dwelling units, we've
[57:44] included that the town would need to do
[57:47] a very brief uh parking study of the
[57:50] area in question. Um after reading what
[57:54] the state is requiring of us, it's
[57:56] something that Bill and I think could be
[57:58] done by staff. It's not something that
[58:01] would take a great deal of time, but we
[58:03] will be able to look at, you know, how
[58:06] many off-site parking spaces are there
[58:08] around an applicant's property and how
[58:12] heavy is the use of those for other
[58:15] businesses and
[58:17] uh tourist use and and general public
[58:20] use before making a determination about
[58:23] parking.
[58:25] Um, so the this changed version was
[58:29] presented to the planning commission at
[58:30] their last meeting and they voted to uh
[58:34] recommend approval to the town council.
[58:37] And as we discussed last time, uh, this
[58:40] ordinance needs to be approved by
[58:42] October 1st in order to meet the state's
[58:46] deadline.
[58:47] One of the things we did talk about with
[58:50] the planning commission is that as soon
[58:52] as the master plan is done, we are um
[58:56] scheduled to begin a overall review of
[58:59] the land development ordinance as a
[59:01] whole. So if we um were to adopt this
[59:06] ordinance that has been presented uh to
[59:08] you and there is some sort of
[59:12] discovery of some glitch or bug in what
[59:16] has been approved, we will have an
[59:17] opportunity in fairly short order to
[59:20] refine whatever it is that you choose to
[59:23] adopt.
[59:25] Um that in summary is my presentation.
[59:28] I'd be happy to answer questions. Any
[59:33] questions?
[59:36] » So this is just the first introduction.
[59:40] We don't have to make any decisions
[59:42] today, right? This is more questions.
[59:44] >> It's it's introduction of the ordinance
[59:47] this evening sets up uh the uh public
[59:50] hearing for next month and adoption
[59:53] decision and adoption next month.
[59:58] » Yes. Anybody
[1:00:08] want to make a motion to introduce uh
[1:00:11] ordinance number 2026-05
[1:00:14] for the purpose of amending the land
[1:00:16] development ordinance to add article 14
[1:00:20] accessory dwelling units.
[1:00:23] >> So moved.
[1:00:24] >> All right. We have a motion by
[1:00:25] Councilman Delaney to introduce
[1:00:28] ordinance 2026-05
[1:00:31] for the purpose of amending the land use
[1:00:33] development ordinance to add article 14
[1:00:37] accessory dwelling in. So we have a
[1:00:39] second.
[1:00:44] » I'll second.
[1:00:46] >> Seconded by council member Muller. Is
[1:00:48] there any board discussion?
[1:00:52] So, are these just for people who want
[1:00:55] to have like a rental property on their
[1:00:59] property itself or what is can
[1:01:03] I did you hear uh council member Tron's
[1:01:07] question?
[1:01:09] >> Yes, I I think so. So, the state is
[1:01:12] requiring us to permit any property
[1:01:16] owner that has a single family home on
[1:01:19] their lot, parcel, or tract to add a an
[1:01:23] accessory dwelling unit either as an
[1:01:26] attachment to their house or as a
[1:01:28] separate structure on their property.
[1:01:32] And um that could be used by a family
[1:01:35] member. it could be rented out and um we
[1:01:40] have a restriction that it cannot be
[1:01:42] rented out uh for short-term rental as
[1:01:45] an Airbnb and that sort of thing, but it could be a a a rental property to the
[1:01:52] general public.
[1:01:56] » Would it be fair to say uh Pat, in order
[1:02:00] to answer uh Council Member Tron's
[1:02:03] question that this is sort of a
[1:02:08] method of trying to solve some of the
[1:02:10] housing shortage
[1:02:12] uh that's going on across the nation.
[1:02:14] And by allowing people to put these
[1:02:16] accessory dwelling units on existing
[1:02:18] properties where infrastructure already
[1:02:20] exists is the purpose of of u the state
[1:02:24] requirement for this.
[1:02:27] >> Uh very much so. Yes. the the the state
[1:02:30] has has identified a significant
[1:02:33] shortage of housing around the state and
[1:02:37] they're looking at a wide range of
[1:02:40] initiatives that would enable
[1:02:43] communities that are already developed
[1:02:45] to
[1:02:47] you know to accommodate some
[1:02:49] intensification in a in a smallcale low
[1:02:53] impact means
[1:02:56] um and to allow The kind of thing that many communities have already been
[1:03:01] looking at doing uh is a way to
[1:03:05] accommodate older family members and
[1:03:07] younger family members in in areas where
[1:03:10] they might otherwise not be able to find
[1:03:12] a place to live within the community.
[1:03:20] » Did we receive answers from on the email
[1:03:24] you sent the different questions? I
[1:03:27] think
[1:03:28] the answer is no. I don't think we got
[1:03:30] them from Mr. Watts. I think I got
[1:03:33] questions answered by
[1:03:35] Pat. I don't Were you all copied on that
[1:03:39] those responses
[1:03:42] >> today? I didn't think so. I'd like to
[1:03:44] see. Yeah, I don't think we sell them.
[1:03:47] specifically the question about if
[1:03:51] like whatever I think you whichever
[1:03:54] development you use as an example if
[1:03:55] they already maxed out the number of
[1:03:58] units that can be in that area then does
[1:04:01] that mean they cannot add
[1:04:04] >> Oh, I think the question was that that
[1:04:06] uh council member Muller's asking is I
[1:04:09] asked a question about um
[1:04:13] annex properties that have a set limit
[1:04:15] of units by annexation agreement or
[1:04:19] contract. And I don't know if that off
[1:04:22] the top of my head how that was
[1:04:23] answered, but let's just use Calat for
[1:04:26] example. I think they were limited to
[1:04:28] 925 units. So that would that would cap
[1:04:32] the amount of units they would be
[1:04:33] allowed and they would not be allowed to
[1:04:35] add a an accessory dwelling unit because
[1:04:38] the statute doesn't provide for that.
[1:04:41] That's my understanding because that is
[1:04:44] a contract
[1:04:46] as opposed to the state's guidance that
[1:04:48] if you have a homeowners association
[1:04:52] document that just across the board uh
[1:04:55] bans accessory dwelling units but the
[1:04:58] town has not capped the total dwelling
[1:05:00] units
[1:05:02] um that that
[1:05:04] um
[1:05:06] would not apply. Now the state has put
[1:05:09] in language that says that accessory
[1:05:11] dwelling units should not be counted
[1:05:14] towards the development capacity. So
[1:05:17] there may be some need to get an
[1:05:19] interpretation on what they really mean
[1:05:21] about that
[1:05:25] » question.
[1:05:27] No.
[1:05:28] >> No.
[1:05:30] >> Like that was like non answer.
[1:05:32] >> That would be
[1:05:34] >> Would you like to
[1:05:35] >> I understand and I deferred to Bill in interpreting what the state is is
[1:05:41] attempting to
[1:05:43] >> to impose on that issue.
[1:05:46] >> It's just time.
[1:05:47] >> I might have to ask you to repeat that.
[1:05:50] It just went dark in here.
[1:05:56] So I guess you you're saying if
[1:06:01] where does or even like from your answer
[1:06:03] where does the level of hierarchy come
[1:06:05] from? You're saying if HOA says you
[1:06:07] can't have them at all then that's just
[1:06:08] a blanket you can't have them. It
[1:06:10] doesn't matter what the state or town
[1:06:12] says.
[1:06:14] No, the the the state is saying that an
[1:06:18] HOA does not have the power to
[1:06:22] prohibit them. That is not a a um a
[1:06:27] matter that the town gets into with the
[1:06:29] HOA because the HOA documents are not
[1:06:32] something the town approves.
[1:06:35] Um what we've asked Bill is if we have
[1:06:39] an annexation agreement with a contract,
[1:06:42] can the state legislation
[1:06:45] um
[1:06:49] still accommodate additional accessory
[1:06:52] dwelling units because the state has
[1:06:54] said accessory dwelling units should not
[1:06:57] be counted when you're doing dwelling
[1:06:59] unit count caps.
[1:07:04] So then the town whatever the town
[1:07:06] decides is the final say or the state
[1:07:09] can overrule us too
[1:07:13] » possible the state can overrule
[1:07:17] >> so then really we have no
[1:07:21] >> yeah I I think that there's going to be
[1:07:23] a lot of testing of this new state
[1:07:26] legislation and a lot of possible
[1:07:29] lawsuits in different areas on on uh
[1:07:32] what the true meaning of this is and
[1:07:35] what is the true uh power of the state
[1:07:38] to regulate this and to to decide things
[1:07:41] that the municipalities have already
[1:07:43] done. Um the our attorney has tried very
[1:07:47] carefully to write an ordinance that
[1:07:49] would not expose the town to that sort
[1:07:52] of thing.
[1:07:53] >> Okay.
[1:07:58] » Did I answer your question?
[1:08:00] >> Yeah. And then just I'm just look I
[1:08:01] found the email with the questions. The
[1:08:03] last one was um is it true that once
[1:08:08] they're an ADU is put on a property it
[1:08:11] cannot be sold as a separate property.
[1:08:16] » If the if the uh property in question is
[1:08:19] a lot in a subdivision that uh has been
[1:08:24] approved
[1:08:26] um in our current subdivision code.
[1:08:28] Those lots cannot be further subdivided.
[1:08:31] But we have a lot of older properties in
[1:08:33] town, particularly along Main Street
[1:08:36] that are uh you know made up of what
[1:08:39] were aggregation of larger lots. And I
[1:08:43] cannot see anything in our development
[1:08:46] ordinances that would prohibit someone
[1:08:49] from coming in uh later on and uh
[1:08:53] requesting to subdivide off the new
[1:08:55] structure if they meet the other aspects
[1:08:58] of our subdivision code.
[1:09:02] » Okay.
[1:09:13] >> Is that it?
[1:09:14] >> Okay.
[1:09:17] >> Okie dokie. So, we had a
[1:09:22] motion put forward by Councilman
[1:09:24] Delaney, seconded by who?
[1:09:29] » By by council member uh Mueller.
[1:09:32] Okay. Is there any other board
[1:09:35] questions?
[1:09:36] >> Can I just request that we do get cop
[1:09:38] whatever answers?
[1:09:40] >> Yeah, I can send I can send them to you.
[1:09:41] I apologize. I thought everybody was
[1:09:43] copied on those.
[1:09:45] >> Um, okay. Is there any more? Is there
[1:09:48] any questions from the public?
[1:09:54] No.
[1:09:57] Okay. So, we'll bring it back up front
[1:09:59] for a vote to introduce it and we'll
[1:10:01] have a uh set up the public hearing for
[1:10:03] next month and a regularly scheduled
[1:10:05] meeting, September 10th. Okay. So all in
[1:10:09] favor say I.
[1:10:13] >> All right. So that's
[1:10:18] » Toronto has not spoken yet.
[1:10:22] >> I'm going to say nay.
[1:10:24] >> Okay. So it's uh then it's
[1:10:28] four.
[1:10:30] The the motion carries four to one with
[1:10:33] Wilson Morer
[1:10:36] and Delaney Fer.
[1:10:39] We are
[1:10:41] introducing this to discuss it and make
[1:10:44] a decision next time. Is that true? We
[1:10:46] make a decision. We're not making
[1:10:48] decision.
[1:10:49] >> No, we're we're only we're just making a
[1:10:52] motion to introduce the ordinance, not
[1:10:54] the passing.
[1:10:55] >> Yes.
[1:10:56] >> Or the state to introduce.
[1:11:00] >> Well, let me put it to you this way.
[1:11:02] There's a deadline to have it passed by
[1:11:03] October 1st. And unfortunately, and this
[1:11:07] is a and Kevin, you can speak to that this is going to turn into be
[1:11:11] something that's ministerial.
[1:11:13] >> That's an issue that came up with uh
[1:11:16] planning commission about about this. So
[1:11:20] >> yeah, at the end at the end of the day,
[1:11:22] this is sort of ministerial because
[1:11:23] you're going to your hands are going to
[1:11:25] be somewhat forced. We wrote this in
[1:11:27] such a way that we kept as much control
[1:11:30] >> over the process as possible. I mean,
[1:11:32] when the town attorney reviews this and
[1:11:35] reviews the statute, he finds I don't
[1:11:38] want I don't want to say loopholes, but
[1:11:40] he finds where there's silence on issues
[1:11:43] and writes in so the town, you know,
[1:11:45] things have to go to HCC, ARC, it still
[1:11:48] has to comply with sideyard, front yard,
[1:11:51] all the setbacks and those sorts of
[1:11:52] things. The only thing you can't
[1:11:54] necessarily do is say no to the
[1:11:56] accessory dwelling unit. You can only to
[1:11:58] some extent control
[1:12:01] Yeah. Um, and as states reaching to do
[1:12:05] this, I think there's going to be uh a
[1:12:08] challenge to the state.
[1:12:10] >> I mean, it's it's a huge it's a huge
[1:12:12] overreach of of state government into
[1:12:14] local into local local government
[1:12:17] ability to regulate land use,
[1:12:20] >> pure and simple. So,
[1:12:22] >> you're
[1:12:25] right.
[1:12:25] >> So, so your your reaction is
[1:12:27] appropriate. It's just that at the end
[1:12:30] of the day, I feel like it's going to be
[1:12:32] ministerial. Our hands are going to be
[1:12:33] tied. So that motion carries 41 with Wilson, Morav, Mueller, and Delaney
[1:12:38] four and Toronto again. So here you go.
[1:12:46] » Okay.
[1:12:51] Next item is the
[1:12:54] re reforestation funds and use
[1:12:57] discussion and that's uh council member
[1:12:59] Wilson. Yeah. Um I've got a weird
[1:13:02] presentation thing here Kevin. I don't
[1:13:04] know we can show it to the public if I
[1:13:07] turn out the lights I can project it on
[1:13:08] the wall to show the areas we're talking
[1:13:10] about. Maybe we don't have to show the
[1:13:12] areas we can just discuss it. Uh
[1:13:16] either way, it's a
[1:13:18] >> I don't know if you showed it showed it
[1:13:21] on this wall. I'm not sure how and I
[1:13:24] don't know what kind of announcement you
[1:13:26] have there.
[1:13:27] >> Just wait turn on the lights because
[1:13:30] it's not that
[1:13:32] I can just talk. I mean, I'm sure people
[1:13:34] would love to hear me talk. So,
[1:13:36] >> just talk.
[1:13:38] >> You love your voice.
[1:13:41] » Okay. So, um, we it was indicated that
[1:13:45] we had the funds of about $12,552
[1:13:49] that had been left over from different
[1:13:51] fort conservation, uh, uh,
[1:13:55] contracts that we had had with different
[1:13:57] builders and things. Um, the money
[1:14:00] sitting there, uh, if you haven't seen
[1:14:02] the inflation, you know, the money is
[1:14:04] getting worth less and less. You're
[1:14:06] going to buy a heck of a lot less beef
[1:14:08] if we sit on it. Um so the ideas that
[1:14:13] were put forward um I believe by Pat and
[1:14:16] a couple of us added in those other
[1:14:19] night. So uh the the ideas are to spend
[1:14:23] this money which we ought to uh and the
[1:14:27] trees must be added to eligible areas
[1:14:30] that uh fall under the um forest
[1:14:34] conservation act that can accept the
[1:14:38] trees. So, um,
[1:14:42] one of the ideas was,
[1:14:44] um, add trees or set up a forest along
[1:14:48] the property lines of, uh, Royal Logo
[1:14:52] and, um, Lua and I'm looking at pictures
[1:14:57] trying to figure out what that is. And I
[1:14:59] think Nicole, can you explain where
[1:15:02] those are along? Is it just where the
[1:15:04] houses on that port? So there are
[1:15:07] houses, but then there are also um the
[1:15:10] backyard.
[1:15:12] It's the backyards of all the houses
[1:15:15] that are on that side of
[1:15:16] >> the parking signs and
[1:15:18] >> there are no parking signs, but we have
[1:15:19] had some issues. It hasn't been yet this
[1:15:23] year. Um because I do have to give Tommy
[1:15:26] Welch, you know, his credit like when we
[1:15:30] find someone doing that, he will
[1:15:32] intercede and um email everyone. But
[1:15:35] there are times where specifically when
[1:15:38] like football, soccer, and I don't know,
[1:15:42] frost are all meeting at the same time
[1:15:44] and there just aren't enough spots.
[1:15:46] People will make spots and so they've
[1:15:49] damaged um fences. They've damaged um
[1:15:53] even like some drainage pipes because
[1:15:56] it's not meant to be parked on. So
[1:15:58] they've broken some of the pipes. So if
[1:16:00] there were some trees there, it may help
[1:16:02] keep people out of that area.
[1:16:06] >> I hope not. I hope they stay away from
[1:16:08] the trees.
[1:16:09] >> So it is an area where the court is back
[1:16:13] to the park area
[1:16:14] >> and not all of it. Like one is called
[1:16:16] like parcel J or something. I don't So
[1:16:20] it's not anybody's property necessarily.
[1:16:23] You should take your dirt.
[1:16:24] >> Um
[1:16:26] Frederick um Frederick landscaping comes
[1:16:30] and bows like where the path and
[1:16:33] >> I guess yeah. Yeah, I guess
[1:16:36] >> partial J the parcel that was needed to
[1:16:38] the HO.
[1:16:39] >> I think that's the one that goes up the
[1:16:42] hill. Um but there are more in the back.
[1:16:46] Okay. Other parcels.
[1:16:48] Um, but there are already trees in the
[1:16:51] back there that kind of separate.
[1:16:53] >> Yeah.
[1:16:55] >> Okay. So, that's one idea. Everybody
[1:16:57] knows where we're talking about there.
[1:16:59] Um, another one was between
[1:17:04] that
[1:17:06] um on on Main Street between
[1:17:11] 143
[1:17:12] and 139.
[1:17:14] I believe it's 200. If you know where
[1:17:18] the um driveway comes out from the
[1:17:21] middle school,
[1:17:23] two houses towards
[1:17:26] there's there's two houses on one
[1:17:28] driveway and then there's an open space
[1:17:31] at the drainage area.
[1:17:32] >> Okay.
[1:17:33] >> Uh there was a suggestion to put a
[1:17:35] forest and so the town is above that
[1:17:38] area. So there was a suggestion to plant
[1:17:41] a lot of make it a forest area where we
[1:17:43] wouldn't have to pay to maintain it as
[1:17:46] much. So
[1:17:49] >> you know where?
[1:17:50] >> Yeah, I pulled it up.
[1:17:52] >> Oh, you pulled it up.
[1:17:53] >> Yeah, on Google.
[1:17:55] >> Google it.
[1:17:56] >> So that that's another thought. And then
[1:17:58] the third one. Um
[1:18:01] is that No. So the third one was uh the
[1:18:05] town park that we're in now. uh since
[1:18:08] the building when that we're in now went
[1:18:12] in, there may be some spot that we could
[1:18:15] put trees around the park the landscape
[1:18:19] a little nicer. Um
[1:18:24] >> can we do all three?
[1:18:25] >> What's that?
[1:18:26] >> Can we do a little bit of each?
[1:18:28] >> Okay, so let's talk about buying trees.
[1:18:31] Um, I I bought
[1:18:35] six
[1:18:36] or 80 maples of that 4 in DVA uh
[1:18:41] diameter and the rest height. Okay. Uh,
[1:18:44] and Adam put in my relatively low thing.
[1:18:48] They were $800 a tree. I've got one of
[1:18:51] them large trees and a couple of large
[1:18:53] trees about 15 ft high, 4 in in
[1:18:56] diameter. Um, and they come from come in
[1:19:01] and uh they'll give you a guarantee of
[1:19:05] one replacement. I had two die and they
[1:19:08] wouldn't do it the second time tree
[1:19:09] died. There's $800 a tree for a large
[1:19:12] tree. So that's not going to get you too
[1:19:14] many trees out. Um, but they're nice
[1:19:18] trees. They're beautiful maple, you
[1:19:20] know, things. Um, so what I want to hear
[1:19:24] is a little bit of discussion about what
[1:19:27] kind of plants or trees that we could
[1:19:31] use in these three areas that we talked
[1:19:34] about that would serve or that we think
[1:19:37] would be appropriate. I know that was
[1:19:41] called bridge between on main street
[1:19:44] there between the houses. Um,
[1:19:48] and I mean here, you know, park part
[1:19:51] like shade kind of trees would be nice,
[1:19:54] but what about, you know,
[1:19:56] part part of not mowing that one area
[1:19:59] between the house would be what, you
[1:20:02] know, bush type things too where the
[1:20:05] bushes take over and you don't have to
[1:20:07] mow the grass. I don't know. And I'm not
[1:20:08] suggesting any of it. I just want you
[1:20:10] guys to talk about it for
[1:20:13] >> Did you have G look at it?
[1:20:16] Once I have an idea of what we're
[1:20:17] thinking, I want to get Jacob to price
[1:20:19] it out. He would probably be the guy to
[1:20:21] install it. Depends on the company you
[1:20:23] get it from the nursery.
[1:20:24] >> Usually likes to install their own
[1:20:26] stuff, but Jacob probably has some units
[1:20:28] that we might be able to get a deal. So,
[1:20:31] um, give me your give me your warm
[1:20:34] questions about what you think might be
[1:20:36] nice. So, my thoughts off the top of my
[1:20:39] head are one, you want to make sure you
[1:20:40] have noninvasive and you want to make
[1:20:42] sure you have natural Maryland type
[1:20:45] trees be planted. If you're talking
[1:20:48] about the lot up there, I'm just going
[1:20:50] to say the one that's next to DD Binos.
[1:20:53] That's how I reference it.
[1:20:55] >> Uh, I'm that's probably a good idea. My
[1:20:58] only concern would be, and this goes to
[1:21:01] all the lots, is would that be a
[1:21:02] qualified area to put put the PL
[1:21:05] plantings? And secondly, what
[1:21:07] expectations are the residents going to
[1:21:09] have
[1:21:09] >> for maintenance? Because, you know, I
[1:21:13] can just tell you when we annexed over
[1:21:15] there by um where Freezone Fitness is
[1:21:18] and all that stuff, there's a there's a
[1:21:20] forestation area there. And that's the
[1:21:24] county one. And we had a pre
[1:21:27] construction meeting over there years
[1:21:28] ago before all that was built. And a
[1:21:30] lady comes over and says, "Well, they
[1:21:32] got to clean up over there. the grass
[1:21:34] call and this that and the she called
[1:21:36] DNR and all that stuff and the lady I
[1:21:38] talked to the lady from DNR and she said
[1:21:41] she had to tell the lady very politely
[1:21:44] professionally that these are
[1:21:46] forestation areas they're supposed to
[1:21:47] look like these aren't golf course
[1:21:50] manicured areas and I'm assuming that if
[1:21:54] we plant something over there we're not
[1:21:56] going to be doing a lot of mowing
[1:21:58] assuming and maybe Tim will correct me
[1:22:00] and that's fine if he does that we want
[1:22:02] to make sure We DD and whoever the
[1:22:05] neighbors are there understand that this
[1:22:07] is a forest now.
[1:22:08] >> Y
[1:22:08] >> it's not it may not be manicured to your
[1:22:11] specification. May may or may not I
[1:22:14] don't know. Uh I if we're going to do
[1:22:17] something around the park that's fine
[1:22:19] but maybe we should have more of a
[1:22:20] landscaping plan. So cuz I love a tree
[1:22:25] but I don't like a tree next to my
[1:22:26] buildings or anything else because you
[1:22:28] know they you know leaves get in your
[1:22:31] gutters. you know, they, you know, all
[1:22:33] the stuff that comes off of trees gets
[1:22:35] on your shingles and on your siding and
[1:22:37] it's hard, it makes it hard for the
[1:22:39] upkeep. Uh, so maybe if you're going to
[1:22:42] do something in the park, we might want
[1:22:43] to have not just like, let's plant a
[1:22:45] tree here, let's plant a tree here,
[1:22:46] let's have a plan that makes sense with
[1:22:48] what we're we're doing. Certainly would
[1:22:50] like to have some shade in the park. The
[1:22:53] other thing is is that we have some
[1:22:55] street skating trees that have for a
[1:22:57] number of years have needed to be uh uh
[1:23:01] re replaced and maybe you know they're
[1:23:04] they were the red buds or what are
[1:23:06] commonly called the dead bud trees
[1:23:08] because they die. uh that I don't maybe
[1:23:12] they would qualify. Again, that might be
[1:23:14] a question more directed for Tim or
[1:23:16] whoever could say, "Yeah, we could spend
[1:23:17] that money on replacing those trees on Main Street that were streetscape
[1:23:22] trees."
[1:23:22] >> Is there is there
[1:23:25] specification on how we use those trees?
[1:23:29] Does it have to be a form or I mean
[1:23:32] that's a question I had? Well, that's probably going to be more of a
[1:23:34] Tim question, but just the generally it
[1:23:38] has to be in a proper
[1:23:41] um stream area or whatever and and I
[1:23:44] think an maybe an easement or something
[1:23:46] has to go down for that, but I I know
[1:23:48] about enough to be dangerous. So, I'll
[1:23:50] let Tim answer the question.
[1:23:54] » Doubts too because I am much more of an
[1:23:56] asphalt concrete engineer and not a tree
[1:23:58] engineer. But um going over some of the
[1:24:01] conversations we've had in the
[1:24:02] background and Erica and Sean have had
[1:24:04] with Pat. I believe that the trees would
[1:24:08] need to be in a uh easement area,
[1:24:12] but I also believe and I'm definitely
[1:24:15] going to lean on Pat if you could clear
[1:24:17] up what I'm going to say here is that
[1:24:18] there's al there's
[1:24:20] for the forest conservation you can do
[1:24:24] lump some areas and based on acreage
[1:24:26] just like say the area here at the end
[1:24:27] of this parking lot on south alley if
[1:24:30] you notice there's some old metal tea
[1:24:32] posts there because that is a forest
[1:24:34] conservation area actually for the
[1:24:35] orchard that was created 15 years ago.
[1:24:39] Uh but I also think you can do it Pat on
[1:24:41] an individual basis like a street tree
[1:24:44] where you're not getting acreage credit
[1:24:45] but you're getting a bird tree credit.
[1:24:48] Is that possible?
[1:24:53] » Yes.
[1:24:57] years
[1:24:59] stress.
[1:25:13] » Yes, it what Tim is proposing is
[1:25:16] possible under our forest gone
[1:25:18] ordinance.
[1:25:20] to not only lump some like a quarter an
[1:25:22] acre of trees, but also individual trees
[1:25:24] like here in the community park can
[1:25:26] count towards the forest conservation
[1:25:31] >> as individual trees. We'd have to do uh
[1:25:34] special easements for that, but that is
[1:25:37] an option uh in the ordinance,
[1:25:39] particularly in the one that we've just
[1:25:41] adopted. If you're doing a true forest
[1:25:44] as the one that the mayor was
[1:25:45] describing, I believe those areas have
[1:25:48] to be a minimum of 35 feet wide so that
[1:25:51] you're creating a forest environment.
[1:25:54] But we do have an option to do urban
[1:25:56] trees that are isolated. It just is a um
[1:26:00] a little bit different in terms of how
[1:26:02] you do the easements and the commitments
[1:26:04] for maintenance, but that is an option
[1:26:07] that we could explore if that's what the
[1:26:09] council would prefer. Would those monies
[1:26:12] that are that are set aside um
[1:26:17] would they have would would they have to
[1:26:19] be spent on on trees uh specifically or
[1:26:23] could they go to the easements that may
[1:26:25] have to be uh implemented for those?
[1:26:33] I I believe it could be spent on the
[1:26:37] entire package, both the trees and the
[1:26:41] uh the legal work that it would take to create the easements and to record
[1:26:45] it. But we can certainly ask that at the
[1:26:49] meeting that uh we're scheduled to have
[1:26:52] with DNR here um I believe on the 18th.
[1:26:59] >> Okay.
[1:27:01] Well, it sounds like to me this is a
[1:27:02] good time to
[1:27:05] say that it'd be nice to use those
[1:27:07] monies up
[1:27:08] >> so we're not we're not accounting for
[1:27:10] them every year and but it sounds like
[1:27:11] to me we need to get better definition
[1:27:14] of how what are the permitted uses and
[1:27:18] where and how and what the monies can be
[1:27:20] spent for just trees and or easements.
[1:27:23] So, one of the things uh we mentioned it
[1:27:26] quickly, but to bring it back between
[1:27:28] the houses over there on Main Street, it
[1:27:30] is uh you have a screen there. So it
[1:27:34] could be a VA area for weapons kind of
[1:27:38] thing too or and I know the definitions
[1:27:40] I jump back and forth there but yeah
[1:27:43] >> I guess it's all a definite maybe until
[1:27:46] we
[1:27:47] >> definite maybe until we till we get get
[1:27:50] maybe sit in front of Pat and show her
[1:27:52] the areas and she can say yeah this
[1:27:54] qualifies or no this doesn't qualify
[1:27:56] >> that area what key me was for minimum 35
[1:27:59] ft you got that
[1:28:02] >> you got me I don't No, that's what we
[1:28:03] got Pat for.
[1:28:05] >> Get get it out there.
[1:28:09] >> Yeah, that would be my suggestion. Get
[1:28:11] with Pat and say, "We got $12,000. Where
[1:28:14] can we spend $12,000 on freeze and or
[1:28:16] easements?"
[1:28:18] >> Uh, any other thoughts on what we're
[1:28:21] talking about? Any guys?
[1:28:24] Um,
[1:28:26] after hearing from Winslow, I I didn't
[1:28:28] think about all of the I was trying to
[1:28:30] think like what would be best, where
[1:28:32] would the most people benefit. Um, and I
[1:28:35] was originally drawn to Main Street or
[1:28:37] the park, but then hearing his comments
[1:28:39] about the upkeep and all of that, it
[1:28:42] might not be something that the
[1:28:44] residents would enjoy. Um, and I like
[1:28:48] the park, but there I want to look when
[1:28:50] I go outside because there are a lot of
[1:28:52] trees. I feel like I'm slightly biased
[1:28:54] to recommend Luya. Um, and I would want
[1:28:57] to definitely talk to Tom and make sure
[1:28:58] that that's something that they were
[1:29:00] into and they're okay with it. Um, but
[1:29:03] just from those three, I also like the
[1:29:05] idea of replacing trees already on Main
[1:29:08] Street that need it. Of the three, I
[1:29:10] think Louisa is probably the one with
[1:29:12] the least um worry about maintaining and
[1:29:17] all of that
[1:29:18] >> would be which
[1:29:20] >> the Yeah.
[1:29:22] right beside the road. I think it's
[1:29:23] already
[1:29:25] they would just be mowing around and it
[1:29:27] would keep people off that area.
[1:29:30] >> Yeah.
[1:29:30] Just
[1:29:33] >> Yeah.
[1:29:36] » I'd rather spend more on trees than
[1:29:38] legal easement work. So, whatever gets
[1:29:41] whatever is the easier one to just do
[1:29:43] trees and not spend it on.
[1:29:45] >> Yeah. Trees are better than
[1:29:49] Kevin.
[1:29:52] you know, I I don't really have any um
[1:29:55] strong feelings one way or the other. I
[1:29:57] think the money's been in there for
[1:29:59] quite a long time. So, I don't know that
[1:30:02] there's any urgency to this, although I
[1:30:04] do appreciate the suggestions. I think
[1:30:07] that uh we probably would have to have a
[1:30:10] little bit more thought about where the
[1:30:13] you know where the trees would go and
[1:30:15] you know which areas are either worthy
[1:30:19] or the least disruptive of residents and
[1:30:22] go from there.
[1:30:24] >> Cool. So we can we don't have a deadline
[1:30:27] with this money other than withering
[1:30:29] away from inflation right?
[1:30:33] >> Yep. Set there for quite a while.
[1:30:35] >> Yeah. So, I planted them. I planted the
[1:30:38] seed, the trees,
[1:30:40] >> which is
[1:30:41] >> um think about it and um
[1:30:45] I'll put my pictures on line so we can see them. I think it's like that
[1:30:51] areas we were talking about. Um and you
[1:30:54] know, look at the park, look at all
[1:30:55] these other things. Look between the two
[1:30:57] houses there. And if you see something
[1:30:59] else, let us know. And I I'll bring up
[1:31:02] Does anybody have any ideas? I'll give
[1:31:04] Jacob just looking in general at
[1:31:08] price of the trees and what he would
[1:31:10] charge. I'm like, man, I said if we gave
[1:31:13] you $12,000, how many how many trees can
[1:31:16] we get, Jacob?
[1:31:18] >> Well,
[1:31:19] >> something. Yeah,
[1:31:20] >> that looks about right, believe me. Um,
[1:31:23] the other thing that Jacob just sent me
[1:31:24] today was the um the little bushes. So I
[1:31:29] think I think they're um like uh not
[1:31:33] evergreen. It's the boxwoods are called
[1:31:36] pit in mezanel park. The little guys
[1:31:38] around the edge and he wants to know
[1:31:41] whether
[1:31:43] uh we want to replace them or having to
[1:31:46] pull it out or
[1:31:47] >> we have a grant that we're refurbishing
[1:31:49] the park
[1:31:50] >> still again.
[1:31:53] >> Yep. I was going to put that in my
[1:31:54] liazison report as an update. you have
[1:31:57] to be a little faster when she doing the
[1:31:59] best I can.
[1:32:01] >> Okay, cool. So, we'll address
[1:32:05] um so that's it. I'll I'll you guys pick
[1:32:09] it up what you like. Um I'll get a
[1:32:12] little bit more information and we'll do
[1:32:13] it I'll do it for our next one.
[1:32:18] >> Okay.
[1:32:19] >> Thanks, Howard.
[1:32:20] >> Our next item is the we need to buy a
[1:32:23] refrigerator for the event barn. So, we
[1:32:25] have a request by council member Toronto
[1:32:27] to to buy a refrigerator.
[1:32:30] >> Yeah, I'll just give you guys just a
[1:32:32] little context. It's basically just
[1:32:35] we're looking for like a commercial
[1:32:37] refrigerator, something similar. Um
[1:32:40] something that people can put catering
[1:32:42] trays in, cakes, things like that. We're
[1:32:45] getting requests for birthday parties
[1:32:46] and different things. So I measured the
[1:32:49] space because of the counter depth out
[1:32:52] and then also the width because there
[1:32:54] are heating elements and things against
[1:32:56] the wall to for the space. So I did
[1:32:59] measure all that. It is going to stick
[1:33:01] out past the counter a few inches
[1:33:03] because anything um this is like a 25 in
[1:33:08] countertop. So anything smaller than
[1:33:11] that is a really small like floor size
[1:33:15] refrigerator. So, to get the commercial
[1:33:17] size, it is going to stick out a little
[1:33:19] bit. Um, it won't have a freezer because
[1:33:22] to do a commercial with a freezer, it
[1:33:23] has to be double and it won't fit in
[1:33:26] that space, the width of it with the
[1:33:27] elements on the other side. So, long
[1:33:29] story short, it it would look pretty
[1:33:32] standard size. It would have no
[1:33:35] separator in the middle, glass door on
[1:33:37] the front. It has to open to the right
[1:33:39] because it can't open to the left
[1:33:40] because it would hit the counter space.
[1:33:42] Um it will be on wheels so we can move
[1:33:45] it and clean behind it. Um and so for
[1:33:48] delivery um installation and the
[1:33:51] refrigerator it's $17813.
[1:33:54] So I'm requesting $1,800 to order the
[1:33:57] refrigerator and have it delivered.
[1:34:02] » Okay. So, um,
[1:34:06] Deb and Heather prepared a budget
[1:34:08] amendment to accommodate this. And we
[1:34:11] had a pool of money, uh, sitting in
[1:34:15] parks and wreck
[1:34:18] uh, maintenance by virtue of the fact
[1:34:21] that um, we we put money aside in the
[1:34:25] event that we purchased or required that
[1:34:27] those fields over there by um, the
[1:34:30] orchard, which we did.
[1:34:32] So, we had uh $8,537.
[1:34:37] So, what Deb and Heather did was take
[1:34:40] $2,000 of that, put in parks and recck
[1:34:43] administration for your refrigerator,
[1:34:45] and put the other $6,500
[1:34:49] back into the unappropriated reserves.
[1:34:53] So, if you guys want would like to
[1:34:54] approve the purchase of the refrigerator
[1:34:56] along with the budget amendment
[1:34:58] simultaneously.
[1:35:01] Sounds good to me.
[1:35:02] >> We can move on the lean push and go
[1:35:04] home.
[1:35:05] >> All right.
[1:35:07] So, we have a So, we have a uh u
[1:35:11] >> make a motion to approve the purchase of
[1:35:13] the refrigerator and the budget
[1:35:15] amendment.
[1:35:16] >> Okay. We have a motion by council member
[1:35:18] Mueller to She Did she just pull the web
[1:35:20] out? I don't know. You there?
[1:35:22] >> No. I'm spreading the second though.
[1:35:24] >> Um All right. So, we have a motion to uh
[1:35:26] authorize the purchase of the
[1:35:28] refrigerator that was presented this
[1:35:29] evening along with the budget amendment
[1:35:31] taking $2,000 out of parks and recck
[1:35:34] maintenance and cleaning uh and putting
[1:35:38] two that's $2,000 into parks and recck
[1:35:41] administration, taking another $6,000
[1:35:45] out of the same parks and recck
[1:35:46] maintenance and cleaning and putting
[1:35:47] back into the unappropriated reserved.
[1:35:49] We have a second on that.
[1:35:51] >> I'll second.
[1:35:52] >> Seconded by council member. What's that?
[1:35:55] >> He sold that.
[1:35:55] >> He did.
[1:35:56] >> You want it?
[1:35:57] >> No.
[1:35:57] >> Okay. You going to find
[1:36:01] >> it? So, we have a second by seconded by
[1:36:03] Councilman uh Delaney. Now, you know
[1:36:06] when the meeting is getting going off
[1:36:08] too late, everybody's getting a little
[1:36:09] punchy.
[1:36:10] >> No.
[1:36:11] >> Okay. So, we have a motion by Council
[1:36:13] Member Mueller, seconded by Council
[1:36:14] Member Delaney. Is there any board
[1:36:16] discussion?
[1:36:19] >> Any public comment?
[1:36:23] No. All in favor say I. I. Unanas.
[1:36:27] Wilson, Toronto, Mar and Delaney.
[1:36:32] Okay. Leaison reports. Uh am I is this?
[1:36:37] Okay. Um
[1:36:40] so liaison reports. I'm helping um
[1:36:43] Michaela with the Massel Park. We have a
[1:36:45] grant for that and we've had for maybe
[1:36:48] around a year. it was applied for. It
[1:36:51] has a plan for new plantings, hooking up
[1:36:54] the fountain. Well, I shouldn't say
[1:36:56] hooking up the fountain. We're putting
[1:36:58] in some hose bibs. Uh so, we have uh our
[1:37:01] own source of water for the um for the fountain and you know, that will
[1:37:08] include probably some uh uh right away
[1:37:12] or easement type work that may need to
[1:37:13] be done because it's a little convoluted
[1:37:15] back there. So on next week on Thursday,
[1:37:20] Pat and I are meeting with Jeff Gladen.
[1:37:22] He's the plumber who did the plumbing
[1:37:25] tier. We particularly reached out to him
[1:37:27] because he did the horizontal boring to
[1:37:29] get to that meter vault or get to the
[1:37:32] Yeah. to hook up the meter vault and all
[1:37:33] that in the road if I remember
[1:37:35] correctly.
[1:37:36] >> The sidewalk.
[1:37:37] >> Yeah. In the sidewalk area. And he's so
[1:37:39] that may have to be a similar type of
[1:37:41] work that has to be done there. It's
[1:37:43] taking us a long time to get a plumber,
[1:37:44] but uh after this was done, I reached
[1:37:47] out to Jackie and J and JCS said, you
[1:37:51] know, who's your plumber? We need to use
[1:37:52] him. So, we're meeting with him on the
[1:37:54] 20th at 2:00 in the afternoon to So,
[1:37:58] that that answers the question there.
[1:38:00] will eventually be a landscaping
[1:38:02] plan uh
[1:38:05] to well, the landscaping plan, as far as
[1:38:08] I know, exists. There'll be new
[1:38:09] landscaping put in whether they're box
[1:38:11] quotes or not. I don't know.
[1:38:13] >> So,
[1:38:16] thank you very much. Hit the pause
[1:38:18] button.
[1:38:18] >> Okay,
[1:38:21] >> that's it. Howard, did you have
[1:38:22] anything?
[1:38:25] >> Busy doing a lot of little
[1:38:28] um
[1:38:30] with
[1:38:34] uh put in the new air conditioner in uh
[1:38:37] 91. Kevin helped me check it out the
[1:38:40] other day. Everything looks good on
[1:38:42] that. As far as I know, they couldn't
[1:38:44] stay. Uh working on getting numbers for
[1:38:47] roof and gutter. Um got uh had the guy
[1:38:52] go over and look at leaky basement. Got
[1:38:54] a number from them. Um
[1:38:58] so still so just putting that together
[1:39:00] so we know what we want to do um if we
[1:39:02] get a grant money. Um let's see. HBC
[1:39:09] um did a little bit of stuff the other
[1:39:11] day. Uh it was hard to tell. I wasn't
[1:39:13] connected very well with my phone. Um
[1:39:17] shaking.
[1:39:19] Um
[1:39:22] I think I think that's about it.
[1:39:26] >> Okay, everyone take a deep breath. I'm
[1:39:28] just
[1:39:30] No, I mean I think finally this place is
[1:39:33] ready to go. Um the new you might have
[1:39:36] looked around and seen a little bit the
[1:39:37] doors fixed here. The dead bolts are on
[1:39:40] the doors. All the exterior doors have
[1:39:43] been rekeyed to have one key and not
[1:39:46] nine different keys. Um the keypads were
[1:39:50] finally have come in from Guardian. So
[1:39:53] the bathroom doors um we just got those
[1:39:55] in last week. Um once I get the app set
[1:39:58] up um on my phone and I can control it,
[1:40:03] I will be opening the bathrooms. Um the
[1:40:05] way that it's going to work is I can set
[1:40:07] the bathroom doors to open at 8:00 in
[1:40:11] the morning. They'll be open to the
[1:40:12] public till 5 or 6:00 and they'll just
[1:40:15] be open. And then at 6:00 they will
[1:40:17] close again remotely um automatically.
[1:40:21] So people won't have to need a code.
[1:40:22] They'll just be open for use. um they
[1:40:26] will be dead bolded on the inside, so
[1:40:27] they won't be able to come into the
[1:40:29] barn, but then when people do rent,
[1:40:31] they're going to have to unlock to be
[1:40:33] able to access from in here. The um
[1:40:36] previous cleaning company was not very
[1:40:39] good at communicating with Michelle and
[1:40:41] I, and we had some issues with them, so
[1:40:42] they've been let go. Um we have a new
[1:40:45] cleaning company that starts Monday, and
[1:40:47] they'll be cleaning once a week um to
[1:40:49] start for us to see how often we need.
[1:40:52] that will include bathroom cleaning and
[1:40:54] a sweep of the event barn. Um there is
[1:40:58] the alarm up and running, but it's not
[1:41:00] on um currently.
[1:41:03] Um
[1:41:06] Kayla was hired as the event barn
[1:41:08] coordinator on August 3rd. She came to
[1:41:11] me yesterday and put in her uh
[1:41:14] resignation. So I would be back um
[1:41:17] looking for a new event barn coordinator
[1:41:19] and interviewing again. she felt the job
[1:41:22] was a lot than she expected. Um, getting
[1:41:26] everything kind of off the ground. Um,
[1:41:29] so if anybody has anybody that they know
[1:41:31] that could be interested, um, we will be
[1:41:34] looking for someone and reposting that
[1:41:36] position.
[1:41:38] Um, my K9 and cornhole event, I am
[1:41:41] changing the date. I'm moving the
[1:41:43] opening back um to the beginning of
[1:41:46] October. I'm coordinating with Prospect
[1:41:48] Pantry and the Lonely Hearts Rescue. Um,
[1:41:51] I just need a little more time to do
[1:41:53] everything now that I've lost Kayla
[1:41:55] because she was helping with marketing.
[1:41:57] Um,
[1:42:00] but we have almost everything ready to
[1:42:02] go for that as far as the boards, the
[1:42:04] t-shirts, and all that. Um,
[1:42:10] and I think that's it for now for me.
[1:42:14] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:42:16] >> Um, I have a couple of items. So on um
[1:42:20] August 25th
[1:42:22] um Jessica Fitzwater is going to be in
[1:42:26] New Market. Um she's visiting um the
[1:42:31] winery, New Market Plains. Um she's
[1:42:34] visiting the Derby and she's visiting um
[1:42:39] Green Haven on Maine, Green Valley
[1:42:41] Therapy
[1:42:43] um and the new wellness lab that just
[1:42:46] opened uh on Main Street. Um so
[1:42:51] that's a great thing. There'll be I
[1:42:54] think it will get the word out about
[1:42:55] some of the businesses at New Market.
[1:42:58] Um, also on August 29th, it is Play
[1:43:02] Music on the Porch Day, which if I
[1:43:04] remember from last year was very
[1:43:06] successful. I just got an email from
[1:43:08] Brooke today. So, I it's I don't know if
[1:43:11] I'm allowed to ask you all this now, so
[1:43:13] please correct me, but she was wondering
[1:43:16] if um we could use meth Methanel Park
[1:43:22] and
[1:43:23] um the old old town hall and put a
[1:43:29] musician in front of those buildings,
[1:43:33] those places.
[1:43:34] >> Think there'd be a problem. Massel Park.
[1:43:36] I'd be a little wary of because of the
[1:43:39] condition of
[1:43:40] >> okay
[1:43:40] >> of the old town hall on Main Street.
[1:43:43] They're a little wary of that one. There
[1:43:44] certainly wouldn't be any electric
[1:43:46] available to them. They can't be in the
[1:43:47] building.
[1:43:48] >> No, I think it's like guitar and you
[1:43:50] know harmonas and things like that. I
[1:43:52] don't think it's anything.
[1:43:55] >> See, would anybody have any problems
[1:43:57] with them on the porch? They just can't
[1:43:59] go in the building limit.
[1:44:00] >> No, it's just in front of in front of
[1:44:03] the building. I don't see that being
[1:44:05] that.
[1:44:06] >> Okay.
[1:44:06] >> Yeah, I don't either. I just It seems
[1:44:08] like it's well off the beaten path. And
[1:44:10] would anybody even wander back there?
[1:44:12] >> Not 47 South Valley
[1:44:14] Street.
[1:44:15] >> Main Street. Oh, okay. Very good. Um the
[1:44:18] other question was that Brook had was um
[1:44:23] if they if we could offer any parking,
[1:44:26] can we offer parking at
[1:44:30] the Hondropy
[1:44:31] that day? Can't stop it.
[1:44:36] >> Are you asking Winslow the mayor or just
[1:44:37] Winslow the dude?
[1:44:41] >> It's Winsler the dude. I'm like I
[1:44:46] Winsler the mayor is I'll be like well
[1:44:48] if they complain about it I have to
[1:44:50] figure out what our authority is at this
[1:44:52] point.
[1:44:53] >> Okay. Okay. That's all I needed. I can I
[1:44:55] can work with that. Um so like I said
[1:44:58] last last year it went very well. If you
[1:45:02] have any time on Saturday, August 29th,
[1:45:05] you should come on out and listen to the
[1:45:08] music on the porch.
[1:45:10] And that's everything. Oh, wait, one
[1:45:12] last thing. Um,
[1:45:15] the first day of school is coming up and
[1:45:16] so we are all hopeful that
[1:45:19] the backup on Main Street is going to be
[1:45:23] solved from our new New Market
[1:45:25] Elementary pickup plan. Um, I posted
[1:45:30] everything on Facebook in the Facebook
[1:45:33] groups, specifically the ones that
[1:45:35] usually had, you know, some chatter
[1:45:38] about Main Street and it backing up. Um,
[1:45:41] I got a lot of comments on it. Most 90%
[1:45:46] were very positive. Um some of the
[1:45:49] middle school parents are a little
[1:45:50] concerned now that that we have
[1:45:52] complicated maybe their lives a little
[1:45:54] bit, but um the the principal at both
[1:45:58] places keeps um reassuring them that
[1:46:01] they the parents are not allowed to come
[1:46:04] before 3:15. So for anyone listening,
[1:46:08] for anyone I'm I'm going to post again.
[1:46:10] Please please please do not show up
[1:46:12] before 3:15 to pick up your elementary
[1:46:14] school child.
[1:46:16] Is that something you could share with
[1:46:17] Michelle when she towns um thing?
[1:46:21] >> Yeah. Okay, definitely.
[1:46:24] >> Is that it?
[1:46:24] >> That's everything for me. Thank you.
[1:46:27] >> Um I stop Valley is officially listed,
[1:46:31] so we'll keep everybody posted on
[1:46:34] updates with that. It sounds like we um
[1:46:37] might have some interest coming in this
[1:46:39] week. And then the bids for or the bid
[1:46:44] package for 90 West should be ready to
[1:46:47] start going out hopefully the end of
[1:46:49] this month and we'll start that process
[1:46:51] so that we can get the construction on
[1:46:53] new town hall started as soon as
[1:46:55] possible.
[1:47:00] » Yeah, that's all I have.
[1:47:02] >> Well, as short as yours was, I think
[1:47:05] mine's going to be that much longer as
[1:47:07] it usually is. Uh oh.
[1:47:10] >> So, the uh planning and zoning uh
[1:47:12] commission met on Thursday, August 6th,
[1:47:16] and approved permit 2069B, the Calumet
[1:47:19] improvement plans phase one, including
[1:47:22] two variance reports for driveway size.
[1:47:25] The commission also reviewed and
[1:47:27] recommended forwarding to the town
[1:47:28] council the draft ADU ordinance 202605,
[1:47:33] which we considered earlier in this
[1:47:35] meeting. In addition, the commission
[1:47:37] authorized the town planner to schedule
[1:47:39] a public hearing on the draft master
[1:47:41] plan update formally issue the document
[1:47:45] for further comment by the state and the
[1:47:46] county. This initiates a com a comment
[1:47:50] period of 60 days and we heard that from
[1:47:53] Pat earlier uh this evening. Regarding
[1:47:57] Glow Fiber, the final repairs to the
[1:47:59] town's infrastructure and hardcapes were
[1:48:02] delayed because of a contractor problem.
[1:48:05] Glow Fiber now expects that these final
[1:48:07] repairs will be complete by the end of
[1:48:09] August. This has been posted on the
[1:48:12] town's Facebook page to advise uh
[1:48:15] residents.
[1:48:17] The crosswalk sign at the northwest
[1:48:18] corner of Maine and Prospect Streets has
[1:48:21] been replaced. The sign was knocked down
[1:48:23] by a tractor trailer on July 2nd,
[1:48:25] shortly after it was installed. There
[1:48:28] was at least one more incident of a
[1:48:30] tractor trailer trying to navigate that
[1:48:32] intersection and driving over the curb
[1:48:34] in portions of the sidewalk and grassy
[1:48:36] area prior to the placement of the sign.
[1:48:39] Ironically, had the sign been placed at
[1:48:41] that time, it would have been taken down
[1:48:44] again.
[1:48:46] >> On July 22nd, the sound the town sent a
[1:48:49] letter to Frederick County requesting
[1:48:51] that trucks be prohibited on Old New
[1:48:53] Market Road. We received a response back
[1:48:56] on August 10th saying the county traffic
[1:49:00] and permit section will review our
[1:49:02] request and provide a formal response by
[1:49:05] August 21st.
[1:49:08] The recently installed Ballard at the
[1:49:10] north alley pedestri pedestrian
[1:49:12] connection to William plumber has been
[1:49:14] repositioned so the locking mechanism
[1:49:16] can be engaged. I have since locked the
[1:49:19] ballard with one of our padlocks. I will
[1:49:22] provide a key to you, Nicole, to provide
[1:49:24] it to the fire department for emergency
[1:49:26] case. Um, and we will hold on to another
[1:49:29] key at town hall.
[1:49:32] And finally, uh, the Frederick County
[1:49:34] Council is scheduled to hold a public
[1:49:36] hearing on Tuesday, September 1st, 2026
[1:49:40] at 700 p.m. regarding the investing in
[1:49:43] workers and workplaces IW2 plan and
[1:49:47] associated resonings. This will take
[1:49:50] place in the first floor hearing room of
[1:49:52] Winchester Hall. This will likely be the
[1:49:55] last time we as a town can influence the
[1:49:58] county to not change their land use and
[1:50:01] zoning maps to encourage further
[1:50:04] development in the county and encourage
[1:50:07] property owners to develop within the
[1:50:09] town by instead seeking means of
[1:50:13] annexation.
[1:50:14] We are asking that proposed land use
[1:50:17] designation and zoning changes for land
[1:50:20] within the town of New Market growth
[1:50:22] area be deleted from the draft IW2 plan
[1:50:26] and that instead they recommend adoption
[1:50:29] of a workers and workplaces plan that
[1:50:32] supports town growth and economic
[1:50:35] development and encourages town
[1:50:37] annexation.
[1:50:39] So, I'd like to encourage town council
[1:50:41] and anyone in the town and surrounding
[1:50:44] areas to attend the public hearing and
[1:50:47] help convince the county to modify the
[1:50:49] IW2 resoning plan to accommodate the
[1:50:52] growth of the town instead of having the
[1:50:54] county build up around us. Again, that
[1:50:58] public hearing is Tuesday, September
[1:51:00] 1st, 700 p.m. at Winchester Hall in
[1:51:03] Frederick. And that's my report.
[1:51:07] >> Okay. I plan on being there. Maybe we
[1:51:08] can write in together.
[1:51:09] >> Yep. I'll go. Yep.
[1:51:11] >> All right. So, before we take a motion
[1:51:13] to adjurnn, is there any general public
[1:51:15] comment to be made? Does anybody in the
[1:51:18] public want to make an evening?
[1:51:19] >> I have I have not a comment but an
[1:51:23] invitation
[1:51:24] um to you all to attend the workshop
[1:51:29] that the partnership is holding
[1:51:32] on Saturday, August 29th at Vintage to
[1:51:35] learn about the new facade program and
[1:51:39] the residential preservation grant
[1:51:42] program.
[1:51:43] Should be about an hour. Um, and these
[1:51:47] programs are a little different from our
[1:51:50] previous grant programs. Um, but it's
[1:51:54] open to everybody and uh, you're all
[1:51:56] invited.
[1:51:59] >> Okay. Thank you. Steve, just for the
[1:52:00] record, could you give give provide your
[1:52:02] name and address?
[1:52:03] >> Sorry. Yeah. I'm Steve Steve Pippen, 13
[1:52:08] West Main Street in New Market.
[1:52:11] >> And could you provide uh, Michelle with
[1:52:14] some info on that? Maybe we could put
[1:52:15] that out on social media since it's a town. Oh, it's already Yeah, it's
[1:52:21] already been done. Yeah. And I'm going
[1:52:23] to I'm going to flog it on Facebook,
[1:52:25] too. So,
[1:52:26] >> and
[1:52:28] there will be um Zoom meetings in
[1:52:32] September, uh depending on demand.
[1:52:37] Okay.
[1:52:38] >> Did you hear Steve? Did you hear
[1:52:39] Michaela's question about what time it
[1:52:41] would be on the 29th? Uh 10:00 a.m.
[1:52:45] >> 10 a.m.
[1:52:47] >> Yeah.
[1:52:48] >> Gotcha. Is that Is that your Is that all
[1:52:50] your comment?
[1:52:51] >> Uh that's right.
[1:52:52] >> Okay. All right. Very good. Any anyone
[1:52:54] else?
[1:52:58] If not, we'll take a motion to adjurnn.
[1:53:00] >> A motion to adjurnn.
[1:53:01] >> We have a motion to adjurnn by council
[1:53:03] member Mueller. Seconded by
[1:53:05] >> I'll second.
[1:53:06] >> Seconded by council member Tunnel. Uh
[1:53:09] all in favor say I.
[1:53:11] >> It's unanimous. See you next month.
[1:53:13] Thank you very much for attending.
[1:53:16] >> Happy new year.
[1:53:19] » When did you put the pad on?
[1:53:23] We're nine spots.