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Good evening. Good evening. Welcome to the town board meeting. Wednesday, August 9th, if we can all rise for the pledge.

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Pledge allegiance is a flag of the United States of America and to the Republic of a religious stance. One nation under God, and it is a full liberty and justice for all.

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There's always a scout that are interested in leading us in the pledge. Please reach out to my office. We're happy to have you.

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For the record, we opened tonight's meeting at

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at 5 o'clock and we adjourn to exec session for advice of council matters of litigation and volunteer boarding committee interviews.

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If I can hear a motion to reconvene the town board meeting of Wednesday August 9th.

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I'll make that motion. I'll second on favor. Hi. Thank you.

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We apologize for little heat tonight. We have some mechanical issues.

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So got the windows open and just bear with us. It's summer.

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So I'm going to ask the board if we can move one item, we have a hearing tonight, we have some other items, but we do have a very important appointment under personnel.

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So if it's OK, I'm going to move 6A.

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Yes.

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Up.

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Consider the probationary promotional appointment of James Kio to police sergeant effective August 12th, 2023, and we have our police chief.

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Peter Simons in here.

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Chief, could you lead us?

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Thank you for moving us up on the agenda, much appreciated.

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Supervisor Chalero, distinguished members of the town board, town administrator Hay, friends, and family in the audience.

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I am here this evening to propose the promotion of Police Officer James Keeho to Sargent.

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Police Officer James Keeho has been employed by the town of North Castle Police Department for seven and a half years.

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Prior to that, he served as a police officer with the town of Eastchester for two years.

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Since joining our department officer, Kio has been assigned to the patrol division

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where he has served with distinction as a patrolman.

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James has consistently been one of our most knowledgeable, reliable, and diligent officers.

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He is a fine communicator and has proved to be particularly skilled at deescalating difficult

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and potentially volatile situations through the effective use of tact and diplomacy.

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In addition to his duties as patrolman, James is certified by New York State as a juvenile

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officer, school resource officer, community resource officer, and child safety seat technician.

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James is also certified by New York State as an emergency medical technician and a field

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training officer.

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He has served the department extremely well in each of these roles.

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James has shown a strong capacity to interact effectively, intuitively, and respectfully with members of the public, and with colleagues, and to develop a solid rapport with all.

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By virtue of his knowledge and proficiency as a patrol officer, James has earned and maintained the admiration and respect of his fellow officers, first line supervisors, and the department administration.

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furthermore, James is consistently demonstrated his ability to share and convey information

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to his fellow officers in a clear, concise, and patient manner evidence to his skill as

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an effective communicator, perhaps the most essential characteristic of a successful supervisor.

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James is extremely bright, articulate, and resourceful, and is a depth that apply in common sense

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solutions to problems.

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In short, James knows how to get things done and done the right way.

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With the retirement of Detective Sergeant Dabendidictus upcoming, and the promotion of Sergeant McCormick to Lieutenant,

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there is a void in the patrol division at the rank of Sergeant.

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At this time, I respectfully request that the town board consider promoting police officer James Kiho to the budgeted and vacant position of police sergeant effective August 12th, 2023.

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Thank you, Chief.

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Welcome.

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Any comments or questions?

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No.

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Just, if somebody liked to make the motion,

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I'd love to make that motion.

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It's a good emotional appointment of James Kio

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to police sergeant effective August 12, 2023.

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I'll make that motion and congratulate you.

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I'll second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Congratulations.

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Thank you, Senator.

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Great stuff.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Chief.

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Thanks, Prince.

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It looks like a pretty.

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Absolutely.

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It's the best part.

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Yes, sir.

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Can

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I have that one?

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Do you want to get violent in the middle?

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Yeah,

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put it down a bit.

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Can you tell me what's going on?

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I don't know.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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That's okay.

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That's okay.

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The

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wide lens over here.

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Always wise miles.

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Come on.

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Everybody comes out of support of this.

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Thank you everybody.

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I will say it's one of the great honors I'm serving on this board to hire our personnel,

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especially police and then promote and in certain cases retire like that he just is doing but

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But it is one of the great honors on the board to be involved in this and hire these

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young individuals and watch them grow and achieve you done an incredible job with this

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department.

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Thank you.

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We appreciate it.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you for all your support.

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Always.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Everyone praises the North Castle Police Department.

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I really am so proud.

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And again, it's just a credit to the police chief and just the fact that you really are

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just a phenomenal group of men and women.

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So thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Now you can go out and celebrate.

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So just one very quick housekeeping item

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before we get to the regular agenda.

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I just wanted to.

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A good friend passed away a week or so ago.

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And I just want to dedicate this meeting

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in his on a Joe Deban artist.

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He's lived in Armack for a long time.

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Wife of Mary Jo.

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And so I just want to we'll close in his memory with others, but I just want to dedicate this meeting to show

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With that

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Announcements in public comment the first item governor Holkall's housing compact and you just say you have to say legislative items

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So the legislative item piece. I'm just going to repeat and we'll continue to encourage our residents to participate if you agree with

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I believe what this board agrees what we all agree on is there was an item that was passed

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It's at the very end of the legislative session and Albany about changing town elections to even years versus odd years which are coincide with governor and presidential elections, which in our opinion then takes away the emphasis on local issues and it could impact town decisions for years to come.

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So, the action for you is that it's been passed by the State and the Senate, the Assembly and the State Senate.

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Both of our representatives voted against it, Shelley Mayer, our State Senate and it was the only Democrat in the State House in the State Senate to vote against it.

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And Chris Burtick and the Assembly also voted against it.

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It's on the Governor's desk or here her desk, she hasn't signed it yet.

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And the action for residents is just to go on the Governor's website.

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You can't send her a direct email, you have to go on the website and you could use her system to send a message and we encourage people to encourage her not to sign it to veto it.

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We just think it has, we've all been through obviously local elections and there are local issues that come about and where if we fear and most towns, at least in the county are on board on this, will dilute what those important issues are.

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And all of a sudden, whoever is getting voted in is because of co-tales, because of maybe

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a presidential or a gubernatorial election.

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So it's a very serious matter.

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The other thing on the government's housing compact, there wasn't much to update.

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She did have a press conference in Harris in this week where they had workforce housing.

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There and a development, which was great.

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There wasn't any major announcements that we thought she was going to, but

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nothing really substantial, a substantive.

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So really nothing to report there other than in total the government's housing compact from the last year but

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the last three years.

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This board has been in unison on agreeing and

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supporting with most of the goals of New York State and the governor, but opposing the how.

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And that the one-size-fits-all doesn't work and not allowing New York State to have oversight on local zoning

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That is very important to us. So, but nothing really new to update there

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I will turn it over to the town clerk for community announcements in town clerk report Allison.

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Okay, thank you. Yeah, so I reminder that we have the mobile shredder coming to

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on Friday, August 11th, it's Friday, between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. it's usually set up behind

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town hall and you know there's somebody there to help unload your car if you need it.

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I think they say there's a limit of four boxes per person but I never really have seen that

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enforced.

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So it'd be great if you can come and use it because we do get a lot of requests and have

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the service in town, the mobile passport unit.

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Allison, on that point, they sometimes fill up early, right?

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So people should try to get the early.

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I had experienced an issue with that.

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Just saying empty enter some of the, they have on their, the county has on the website that just to be aware, if the shredder fills, then they leave and if there's still another hour, they're not coming back with an empty shredder.

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like I said, we've done this quite a few times, and unfortunately not too many people

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show up at times to harbor an issue.

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We hope we have that problem.

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I'll be there.

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I'll be there.

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I'll be there.

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I'll be there.

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So many of my fans.

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We also have the mobile passport unit coming to town, and that will be on Tuesday, August 29

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from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. That's for a new passport only. If you want to renew your passport, you're

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encouraged to do that online. And that will be, if I didn't say it already, Tuesday, August 29th

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from 10 a.m. to 1 a.m. That's usually in front of Town Hall. There's summer concerts that

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are sponsored by the Armon Chamber of Commerce and the town of North Castle Parks and Recreation

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Department. The next one is at Wampus Park which begins at 6 p.m. on August 19th and the

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band is Mighty Spectrum. And then Music in Ormung Square which is Thursday evenings also

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beginning at 6 p.m. There's one tomorrow night and that's called Puppets for Higher. And

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then there's another one on Thursday August 24th which is School of Rock and Thursday September

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number seven, which is, we have Tom Moses, and there will also be a chili pepper on

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that night. Our next meeting is not until September, so we're reaching into September,

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either our announcements. We have September 11th Memorial Ceremony, which is always held

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in Wampus Park by the 9-11 Memorial in that park and that will be Monday, September 11th at 6 p.m.

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I think it's 5 p.m.

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I think it's 5 p.m.

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That's why I should wear my glasses.

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September 11th at 5 p.m.

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5 p.m.

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Sorry about that.

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There are volunteer opportunities on the landmarks preservation committee, the conservation board

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and the zoning board of appeals and of course on NC4.

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And you can look to volunteer for those committees and boards on the town website.

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And also, of course, a reminder to sign up for e-news and NICSOL alerts on the town website.

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And then, of course, a highway dash and helping feels better.

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Thank you.

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Kevin, town administrator update.

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Thank you.

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Paving update will be completing after road in front of the building tomorrow.

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Now, also, milling will begin tomorrow on Old Mount Kiscoe Road.

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From Cross Road North, traveling south through 128,

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travel that are just advised to avoid that area, to avoid any delays in their commutes or travels.

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Just some of the whole road going to be done there now?

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We're starting off from, like you said, crossroads north to 128.

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There's other areas that, no, Mount Kiscoe, that still need some work to be done before we can pay.

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meeting to sewer work on the sewer lawn work.

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Just a reminder, as we near the end of summer,

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residents reminded that the pool closed.

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On Labor Day, which is Monday, September 4th this year, and our fall recreation program should be out soon. At the end of the month, you can sign up for updates and get to get reminders set, too. That's all I have to say. Could you just say one thing, Kevin, and we talked about this because I got a lot of communication with residents about the corner of Maple and Bedford, where it's very uneven and tough to drive on. And if you notice now, it's the one little section that isn't milled. So just give a quick update.

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Connid was a gas repair and they're coming back at the beginning of next week to put a permanent patch in place on that spot

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They're going to patch that whole area with a large patch and then later on as we do maple that whole section will get milled and paved as well

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Okay, thank you

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John Wartley is on up to

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Selene anything. Yeah, just a couple things about the library

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So for those of you that weren't listening to the work session we just finished

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The library board presented their current vision of the long-term plan, encourage everyone

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to go take a look, I assume the materials are posted on the website.

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So the materials will show the summary of the long-term plan, and you can always revisit

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our work session recording to hear that.

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And of course, always welcome any input and feedback to Catherine Feely, our library director

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or anyone on the library board

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and the people are listed on the website.

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And a couple of activities to highlight

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that are coming up.

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So first, tomorrow, if you have any time

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between two and three PM,

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there's a master gardener program

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that's gonna be happening at the library

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where there's gonna be a presentation

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from Regina Blake Slee,

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who's part of the Cornell University cooperative

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and talking about how to create gardens by your home.

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you know, that have biodiversity and kind of yield more like the right kinds of environments

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for you that are going to be good for the future.

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So that's something I know a lot of people have a lot of interest and passion about.

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Highly encourage anyone to join that.

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And then the last one is chess club.

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There's a chess club that the town is doing.

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That's also at the library.

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And that's happening the next two Saturdays.

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And that's from 12 p.m. to 1.30 p.m.

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And that's inviting people like all kinds of skill level, like it's totally okay to be beginner or to be advanced, and there's going to be opportunity to pair off.

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And also we've seen interest from children and adults so far, so encourage anyone to come. That's it.

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Just quickly that for those people that have been complaining about the repairs needed

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on Virginia Road and North White Plains, we did determine that MTA owns the segment that

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really needs work and Town Administrator Kevin Hay and Highway Foreman Jamie Norris

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are working to arrange a meeting with MTA so that we can get that road repaired because

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is it really is, it's almost borderline dangerous.

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Thank you.

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Matt, anything?

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Nothing tonight, no.

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Was there anything?

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Yeah.

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So hold on to your hats, everyone.

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This is exciting.

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The North Castle Sustainability Committee,

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formally recycling committee, is working on,

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as you've seen in past meetings, food composting,

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which has a lot of appeal to a lot of people

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and will reduce our garbage, which hopefully, at some point,

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Well, I'll control our costs on that, which is becoming more expensive.

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So look out for that, it's taken a while to work through things.

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Kevin has been great on it, other people have also assisted.

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So please look out for that, what we're planning to do, what they're planning to do at this point.

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It's been discussed, is to have a drop off point that'll be open a couple days.

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We're going to start small walk before we run, but hopefully it's something that'll be embraced a lot of communities.

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have that, and it's really a good thing to have.

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You will also see town employees, which I think is a great idea, have to go through

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ethics training every year.

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And the ethics board has been working, trying to get done, and ultimately has now done

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a short video, which will explain how the ethics code works briefly, that should be part of

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the training, so good job by them.

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They put an awful lot of work into these things,

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a lot of boards and committees do,

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and this was a big effort on their part.

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And Allison, thank you.

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I think you're, you folks help with the filming and all.

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Then, yeah, so appreciate that, I don't know if they did too.

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And this is just a little bit of a dumb thought I had.

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It was driving the other day,

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and I saw a couple of school buses

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have to be behind them, and they'd stop,

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and they'd put out the stop thing, and all that.

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And I scratched my head and I said, that's weird, we're not at school, but of course

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school buses are used and I just wondered, does it work when they're on school?

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Is it for any time you have a school bus?

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So for those of you who are wondering, in case anybody's tempted not to observe them, I

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spoke with Pete Simonson and in fact, they are much illegal requirement to stop for school

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bus even if they aren't carrying school kids during school.

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So please be careful about that the same same dangers are obviously still there and it's terrible to have an injury like that

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That's all I have great. Thank you. I have nothing else. I want to get moving and get to the hearing so Allison anybody on public comment

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We have a couple people who have signed up and it's just want to be sure that this is public comment

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I'm not an issue on the agenda. So if you wanted to speak on

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something that's not on

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Agenda is come up and I'll call your name

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Did you want to speak on the agenda item or it was about the leaf flow that's coming up yet so when that comes up

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which will probably be in a little while then I can call you after that and then we have Julie yeah I can't speak on because I hear his email

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Okay, so I know Edward here tonight, so I'm going to substitute.

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This is our North Castle historic moment for this evening.

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It's a little piece of ground, slightly more than three acres atop a steep hill just off

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root 22 in today's North White Plains.

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During the colonial era, Miller Hill was part of a much larger land holding of the Miller

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family.

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A family memorialized today at Miller House Washington's headquarters on Virginia Road

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and North White Plains.

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On the morning of October 28, 1776, British troops attacked and quickly took Chatterton's

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Hill into today's White Plains.

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General George Washington's Patriot fighters again retreated to new lines extending eastward

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from Miller Hill.

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From a top miller hill, Colonel John Glover's troops ended the battles of the White Plains

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and turned the tide of the American Revolution.

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On November 6, 1776, British troops packed up and left the White Plains area.

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156 years later, on April 8, 1932, Mrs. Agnes C. Dunlap and Mrs. Lois C. Moore donated

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this little piece of land to the citizens of Westchester County for the purpose of development

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of the historic site as part of Westchester County's system of parks.

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Seven years later during April of 1939, Westchester County Park Commission

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Superintendent George S. Hayte announced that the North Castle Town Board had

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requested the improvement of the site as a public park.

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He said the public works progress administration would provide the labor

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and that the name might be changed from Miller Hill to something more descriptive of the

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historic background of the spot.

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It's a little piece of North Castle ground with a huge history significant to the birth

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of our nation.

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It is one of the places where the tide of the American Revolution turned.

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It is the only undeveloped Revolutionary War battle site remaining in Westchester County.

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Let's keep it that way.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Ed.

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Anybody else on public comment?

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Yeah.

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I'll just add to what Ed said. If you've never been to Miller Hill in North White, just

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go check it out. It's really cool. It's a cool part. You can bring a sandwich, a cup

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of coffee, walk to the right rear. You'll see this metal map. That'll show you a lot of

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what Ed was just talking about and what the soldiers could see when there were less trees.

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And it's really incredible what happened there. It really is.

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still there. He breaked the readouts from 250 years ago are still there. It's just really

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really the what-outs. So what-outs said? What's that? The what-outs? The readouts, the

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battles where they they had embankments there and they they popped them up and had their

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muskets and they're firing at the British coming up Broadway. You can't see now because

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all the trees and buildings were there at one point. It's anyway you have time it's just far

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There's a little poll off right there, and check it out.

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It's really rich with history, what happened with this town.

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So with that, we will go to the public hearing, reconvene to consider adoption or

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propose local law to amend section 355-27 zoning regarding airport campus, the old MBIH.

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113 King Street Armored to permit density at the discretion of the town board for office building to senior housing zoning district and

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reclassify the property from DOB-28, which is designed office business-28, zoning district to the R-MF-A multi-family-A residents, and R-MF-S-C-H zone districts.

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We have several items.

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The first item is the adoption of the State Environmental Quality Review, the Secret Finding Statement.

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The second item is the receipt of the New York State Watershed Inspector General's comments on the airport campus, FEIS.

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Third item, receipt of letter from Westchester County Plenty Board regarding the airport campus, FES, fourth receipt of letter from the York City Department of Environmental Protection regarding airport campus, FESI, dated August 8th, and the last item would be adoption of the resolution to amend the zoning.

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So it asks for a motion to receive items two, three, I'm sorry, a motion to open the hearing.

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Reconvene the hearing.

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I'll make that motion.

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Second.

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On favor.

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Hi.

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And then a motion to receive items 2, 3 and 4.

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I'll make that motion.

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I'll second.

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On favor.

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Hi.

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And this is a continued hearing on this application.

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We've had many meetings on this and many hearings on this.

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And tonight the board is tasked with considering to adopt the secret findings

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and then adopt the resolution to amend the zoning.

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I'm going to turn it over to Councillor for the applicant.

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Good evening Mr. Supervisor.

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My name is Tony Veniziano.

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I'm here on behalf of Airport Campus.

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We've been working for quite some time since Airport Campus was acquired.

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Trying to lease the space's office and then we started to look at different types of uses.

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And we went through a draft and finally, I guess with alternate uses, they included office,

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hotel, multi-family, single-family.

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And then the market sort of came to us and we're left with multi-family projects.

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So there's a 4-plus acre site that we're requesting a zone to RMF-SCH, which we age

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restricted and condo tax and there's 34 acres that'll be zone to the RMF-A zone, which

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will be fee-simple tax.

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We can ask one quick question on that, just for clarification.

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So because of the structure of the building that it's an appointment building, there is no alternative but to have it be taxed as condo, correct?

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We're taxing it as condo.

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Right, that's what I'm saying, but there's no discretion in that automatically because of that structure, it can't be anything else.

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Sure,

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we've mitigated all impacts that have come up during the environmental process at the extent of this practical.

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And we're ready to ask you to vote tonight, close out the environmental process with the adoption of the findings, and then vote on the local law.

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Chris Fisher from Cutting Faders is going to go through some of the factors in this rezoning, and then we'll ask you to vote.

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Good evening, everyone.

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Chris Fisher from Cutting Fader, co-counsel on this project.

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I thought it would be helpful for probably not just you, the board, us, the applicant, but the public as well.

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Just to recap over the next five minutes, a little bit of the background and talk about some of the benefits before you move into your deliberations on this particular project that's before you.

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This particular chapter in the site's history for us, the applicants started eight years ago.

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When MBAA pulled out of town, they acquired the property.

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They acquired the property in the name of Airport campus.

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And last month's meeting, we had a little chuckle about the name because the intent when the acquisition occurred was to take the property, reposition it as office building, reteninate, and these owners aggressively marketed for that purpose for quite some time.

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That in addition to the additional shovel ready space that was available on the site, which is close to 500,000 square feet of toll space for existing and approved office building development.

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By 2018, I think it became clear to everybody, including the Board, that there was going

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to be a need for rezoning to really reactivate this site.

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Market changes, looking at the efforts and opportunity under DOB-20A, and trying to find

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something that would work for the community and obviously the applicant owner.

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You took that to heart, you incorporated that into your comprehensive plan and development

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in 2018 and identified this site as an area where there was going to be a need for economic

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development.

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There's going to be need for some change.

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And in fact, the opportunity for residential development here.

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The applicant's initial rezoning petition, as Mr. Viennese I don't know mentioned, it was

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much denser than...

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That's before you now. It was a mixed-use plan, a lot of different components to it, and through the secret process, which worked in this case, we've gotten to a plan that's much reduced in scale and scope, and is focused on the multifamily rezoning that we have in front of you right now. That's actually what the secret process is intended to do, is to try to whittle away and yield down to something that works from an environmental perspective, which this project does.

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One thing that as I got involved in this project was really noticeable to me throughout

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the proceedings is there's been no community opposition to this project and I work throughout

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the communities in Westchester County.

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I haven't seen the public come out and say, you know, we don't want this near us, mostly

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because we're near an airport, we're near commercial sites.

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This is a good place in the community for development to occur especially with a site that hasn't

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had active use in eight years.

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One of the other things that's a clear benefit from this particular project that we would

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highlight is you're adding to the mix of housing in this community.

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We've talked about an aging population, we've talked about affordable housing, and this

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project gets an actual mix of multiple different types of housing stock and types, particularly

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senior and affordable.

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You have been talking about actually affordable housing and how this community does a good

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job of accommodating and making sure that it's addressed, this project is going to meet

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your goals.

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So, that's not just meeting your goals, it's state and federal goals as well.

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I would just point out without going back through obviously the FIAS, which is a long process,

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but it speaks for itself at this point in time.

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It really highlights that there aren't any unmitigated impacts to schools, traffic, environmental

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regional resources, we've gone through a detailed process with your consultants, your experts

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and professionals, our team, taking into consideration all the public comments that have come in.

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And you're really in a position now where you're able to make findings on this project.

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And we think it's clear that the site's going to have to be repurposed and it's ready

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for you to make those findings as part of a comprehensive process under-seeker.

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Five things I wanted to highlight really that relate to the rezoning itself and I think are critical.

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Resoning this property unlocks a whole host of community benefits.

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Those are benefits that go well beyond anything yielding to the owners and

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development of property in this case.

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First, all of the taxing jurisdiction stand again here.

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Three million in annual infusion, all physically positive.

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All through fee simple taxation and going back to the earlier comment, the repurposing of the multi-family building,

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regardless of ownership structure, that would be taxed under the tax assessor's jurisdiction apartment condo.

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It's all the same, there's no other alternative to that.

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Second, we talked about this at the last meeting, but I would highlight it again.

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The owners are going to incorporate water quality treatment technologies as part of their agreement with NRDC and

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keeper. Those technologies go well above and beyond what DEP requires. Those improvements

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that we're going to make are actually going to improve the site's stormwater conditions

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above what's there today. And there's not a lot of activity at all today. So we're going

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to take this repurpose it and bring it to water quality standards that are better than

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what's happening out there sitting there today.

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The third item, we're going to convey to Wester's land trust and expanded irrevocable conservation

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easement that totals over nine acres. That's going to provide additional land buffering and

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protect the adjacent reservoir lands and the public drinking water supply. The fourth item I would

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highlight is the school district. The school district clearly has an interest. They've supported

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What did this plan, certainly one of the things that I would consider to be one of their concerns is it's going to avoid a multi-million dollar tax

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associated refund.

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That's something that's looming. That would hit the school district very hard. I don't know what their reserves are.

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I don't know what their budget planning process is, but it's a significant impact if we're not moving forward with a project.

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Fifth, and this is the piece that I think we've talked a lot about, but it really bears repeating because we haven't talked about it in the last couple of months.

446
00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:36,740
Public water.

447
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:53,940
We're sitting here prepared to invest of private capital, $3 million to create the necessary nexus and connection from Wessha's to joint waterworks facilities by the airport, bring it across the highway to the site.

448
00:34:53,940 --> 00:35:01,280
And that is actually a key component to unlocking the potential for a new public water supply in the Hamlet.

449
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:09,480
And the Hamlet is an area where, as I understand it, we've had long-standing concerns over water quality from the drinking water wells that exist.

450
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,320
This is something that will be a process with your water districts, but we're prepared to make that investment.

451
00:35:15,660 --> 00:35:18,100
And it's not an investment that just benefits our site.

452
00:35:18,100 --> 00:35:23,220
It's an investment that really unlocks this potential for your community and the Hamlet as a benefit.

453
00:35:25,100 --> 00:35:29,100
None of these benefits, Director and Direct, happen without rezoning here.

454
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:35,480
We're at a point in time where I think it's safe to say the office market is dead.

455
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:40,580
You can quote me on that in the county, but there's no market for office here.

456
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:45,640
We have to repurpose sites in order to be able to put them back to practical use.

457
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:52,020
This is a good use here, and in light of the DOB-20A rezoning, excuse me, existing zoning,

458
00:35:52,420 --> 00:35:54,400
there's no other practical or feasible option.

459
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,060
We've spent the last several years working through a secret process to get to what is

460
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:04,280
the appropriate alternative, and we certainly feel it's appropriate at this time for you

461
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:04,860
to take action.

462
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:06,580
Turn it back over to Tony.

463
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,240
Thank you, Chris.

464
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,640
So, thanks, Chris.

465
00:36:09,020 --> 00:36:13,500
On behalf of the owner and the entire development team, we want to thank you for your consideration

466
00:36:13,500 --> 00:36:19,380
and are asking that the hearing be closed and that you vote on the fine extending the rezoning resolution.

467
00:36:19,740 --> 00:36:24,080
I'd like to note that a number of the benefits that Christchurch's denunciated are

468
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:29,220
because of the way this board administered this application.

469
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,460
Things you made us do, positions you took in this process.

470
00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:36,400
Chris mentioned that the process worked, it really did work.

471
00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:40,880
We're ready to move forward and processes with the planning board,

472
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:47,300
DEP, DEC, and other agencies, and for this very important project for both you and us in the community.

473
00:36:48,100 --> 00:36:48,620
So, thank you.

474
00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:50,000
Thank you.

475
00:36:50,340 --> 00:36:51,560
Is there anybody signed up?

476
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:52,940
I know there's some people who want to speak.

477
00:36:53,140 --> 00:36:53,700
Is there anybody who wants to speak?

478
00:36:53,700 --> 00:36:54,600
Is there a list for it?

479
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:56,480
Well, yeah.

480
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,100
It was the first person you wanted to scoot back.

481
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:00,180
It's project.

482
00:37:01,340 --> 00:37:03,280
You could pick either a microphone.

483
00:37:03,780 --> 00:37:04,760
I'm not going to comment that one.

484
00:37:06,020 --> 00:37:06,920
You're not going to comment.

485
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,520
Is there anybody else here who wanted to comment on this?

486
00:37:11,570 --> 00:37:13,210
I just wanted to ask about the Webber House.

487
00:37:13,530 --> 00:37:14,650
You have to come to the microphone.

488
00:37:19,790 --> 00:37:22,250
I wanted to ask about the status of the Webber House.

489
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:25,430
You would, um, the building inspector was going to look at it.

490
00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:26,210
You have an update on that?

491
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:26,950
Yeah, absolutely.

492
00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:27,710
It's on a ministry.

493
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:27,950
Okay.

494
00:37:28,110 --> 00:37:28,490
Thank you.

495
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:29,230
Yes.

496
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:30,810
We went out there July 10th.

497
00:37:30,830 --> 00:37:33,310
Thank you for allowing us the time and effort to get in there.

498
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:37,710
Um, staff went there, water director, I was director of water and sewer, director of

499
00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:42,110
planning, superintendent of recreation buildings, director of myself went out to the site, we

500
00:37:42,110 --> 00:37:51,170
towards the building, for our use is that the building is not going to have a lot of use for us without significant renovations and it would have to be made ADA compliant.

501
00:37:52,130 --> 00:37:59,910
There's significant cost in moving at multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars and site work on top for the building that we just didn't see much use.

502
00:38:00,050 --> 00:38:07,030
There was also the concern with the building inspector looked at it at the structure underneath and whether that would even be able to be moved and survive a move.

503
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:15,750
So I mean it doesn't seem to have a use for the town facilities and that was our overall assessment of before our uses roughly how many square feet is a

504
00:38:16,270 --> 00:38:16,710
Kevin?

505
00:38:16,990 --> 00:38:20,140
Do you have any idea Adam?

506
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:30,280
2, 1500 that would be my guess that would be my guess so pretty small and you have a lot of fixed costs exactly a small building.

507
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:41,280
Well, I'm just, I'm just kind of at the 11th hour, I think the Weber House is going

508
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,320
to be at midnight is going to be turned into a pumpkin and it's going to be smashed.

509
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:48,920
However, I will continue.

510
00:38:49,780 --> 00:38:54,540
I think it should be repurposed as a country store for you.

511
00:38:55,220 --> 00:39:06,180
This is a picture of it as a country store inside it would have supplies and here, this

512
00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:07,160
This is for all you guys too.

513
00:39:07,500 --> 00:39:08,740
Where would this store be located?

514
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,340
Just keep it right where it is.

515
00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:12,060
Just keep it right where it is.

516
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,560
The zoning is already in there as far as having a commercial property there.

517
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,060
Can somebody distribute this?

518
00:39:24,850 --> 00:39:27,030
I mean it's just like having a next up there.

519
00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:34,190
And the thing that you could have you could have hot food, you could have essentials and I

520
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:36,840
don't know.

521
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:44,260
I just, you could repurpose it so that it would be a convenience for the people up at the airport campus.

522
00:39:44,740 --> 00:39:46,880
They can get a cup of coffee in the morning on the way to work.

523
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:55,640
And I just, I just think that it has a potential of being, having that use in there.

524
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,420
The pictures out of the inside there from Belfair, from the Belfair store that was there.

525
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:09,220
which is what they did if they provided this country store for their people and they

526
00:40:09,220 --> 00:40:14,140
I don't see where they can do you've got a hundred how many people are in the in the ages

527
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:20,760
was it going to be 50 50 almost 50 50 apartments so then you're looking at basically a hundred

528
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:26,520
people run down get it by to eat people can and then the other thing too as you can look

529
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:31,560
at it as a place for the kids come home from school the bus has got to come down and

530
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:37,480
to be there, it's a place for them to do, and in a place for the people to meet, and to

531
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,200
congregate.

532
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:45,280
Just, but just, practically, looking at the plan, the applicant would have to eliminate

533
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,260
at the very least four townhouses.

534
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Actually, it would probably be about, probably two to three, but if you look at it.

535
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,340
There's also tax advantages on it.

536
00:40:58,340 --> 00:41:02,700
But I did some research on the taxes that were involved in it.

537
00:41:03,140 --> 00:41:09,740
I talked to some, I mean, for example, I did talk to Danny at NICS to see what his traffic was.

538
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,480
He's got pretty good traffic in there.

539
00:41:12,860 --> 00:41:13,960
But of course, he's open to the public.

540
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,100
This would be just basically for the people who would be in the airport campus.

541
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:26,120
But I just think it would just provide a convenience and a service for the residents.

542
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:33,820
And before anything is done with the building, even if it does not to serve a town purpose,

543
00:41:35,060 --> 00:41:42,040
it could serve a purpose there for the residents and be a value add for them.

544
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:45,140
That's my pitch.

545
00:41:45,580 --> 00:41:45,720
Thank you.

546
00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:46,500
It's an interesting idea.

547
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,480
It's really, if the application is approved, it's up to the applicant.

548
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:53,220
If they want to consider something there, it will be in their hands.

549
00:41:53,220 --> 00:42:01,140
but appreciate your input on it and the handout and thank you Kevin and staff for taking a hard look at the building.

550
00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:09,000
It is a nice building but we have, there are some practicalities to it and so we appreciate the work you did on the staff.

551
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:10,960
Any other comments on that, Ron?

552
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,760
It's really just a question in terms of-

553
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:20,040
They were.

554
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,840
Oh, Ron Tobias, or Mark Resonance.

555
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:28,260
Just a couple of questions in terms of how many units,

556
00:42:29,740 --> 00:42:33,260
and is it rental, is it townhouses, what is it?

557
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,100
Just to get a sense of a density.

558
00:42:36,580 --> 00:42:40,360
Just a sensitive concern in terms of the makeup

559
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,200
of the town in terms of getting a lot of different developments

560
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,560
with lots of different residents.

561
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:52,200
I just like and I don't have the facts about it so this is for me a learning experience.

562
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:57,380
Sure, I could do it but maybe the applicant wants to just provide a quick response to that.

563
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:04,080
There'll be 50 rental units age restricted on approximately four and a half acres and

564
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:10,280
there'll be 125 for sale townhouses throughout the rest of the other 34 acres.

565
00:43:11,180 --> 00:43:12,320
Is that answer your question?

566
00:43:12,780 --> 00:43:14,060
And this 10% afford.

567
00:43:18,410 --> 00:43:19,810
My name is Bob Oak and I'm an on my

568
00:43:19,810 --> 00:43:21,150
residents since 1986.

569
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:23,510
And so I've been here for a while.

570
00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:25,830
I appreciate what you're trying to do.

571
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:27,770
And you made a comment that nobody in

572
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:29,330
town has really been upset about this

573
00:43:29,330 --> 00:43:30,910
or raised any concerns. I think that's

574
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:33,390
generally because most people don't pay attention.

575
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:36,710
So this sort of came to my attention

576
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:37,490
in the last few days.

577
00:43:37,690 --> 00:43:39,790
So I think it allows the idea.

578
00:43:40,310 --> 00:43:41,750
I think the town's been overbuilt.

579
00:43:42,190 --> 00:43:49,510
There's too much going on in terms of construction, and I think the buyer of this made a mistake eight years ago.

580
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:51,450
He bought something because he saw a market.

581
00:43:52,070 --> 00:43:58,050
He was wrong. A lot of people who have made investments, they've been wrong, they lose money, that's life.

582
00:43:58,930 --> 00:44:06,530
So I don't think we should be bailing them out by allowing them to build a residential construction of that size, that's just my view.

583
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:07,590
Thank you, Bob.

584
00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:09,270
And you have the comments?

585
00:44:09,450 --> 00:44:09,590
Sure.

586
00:44:11,170 --> 00:44:11,970
Either microphone.

587
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:16,130
Hi, so I'm Julie, also a long-term Armageddon.

588
00:44:16,490 --> 00:44:17,650
I just want to second that feeling.

589
00:44:18,250 --> 00:44:19,530
I feel like Armageddon is changing.

590
00:44:20,130 --> 00:44:22,210
And I feel like we're paying the price for bad investments.

591
00:44:24,190 --> 00:44:29,070
The amount of building that's taken place in the last year to two years is unseen.

592
00:44:29,210 --> 00:44:30,290
I've been here for 45 years.

593
00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:34,790
And there was a time I was here where there was a moratorium on all building.

594
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:38,290
and I just ask the board, what's changed?

595
00:44:38,730 --> 00:44:40,570
Like, why all of a sudden are we seeing this influx

596
00:44:40,570 --> 00:44:42,870
of approvals for all these housing units

597
00:44:42,870 --> 00:44:47,130
that's impacting our traffic, our sewers, our water,

598
00:44:47,630 --> 00:44:49,370
and changing the face of our mock?

599
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:51,690
So I just asked you to consider that.

600
00:44:52,050 --> 00:44:53,970
I've never seen such an influx in housing developments

601
00:44:53,970 --> 00:44:56,030
in the time I've been here in our mock

602
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:57,450
and people are concerned.

603
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:59,370
So I just want to share that.

604
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:00,180
Thank you.

605
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,660
Any other comments from the public?

606
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,860
Any other comments from the Board? Solimbe, do you have anything else to add?

607
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:30,800
I showed just a couple of things. First of all, I would like to thank Tony, he did a great job in terms of providing item with the findings. And Adam, he certainly did a wonderful job as usual, giving us a document that was really very, very comprehensive.

608
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:43,240
and I think that most of the comments that need to be addressed are site plan that has

609
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:49,440
they're not zoning related. And I think in response, and I'm speaking just for myself,

610
00:45:49,580 --> 00:46:00,780
I'm not speaking for the board, but I think in response to why this town board, or at least

611
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:26,720
social projects is because there is a need, there's a need not only in this town, people downsizing, empty nesters, but the supervisor begins every town board meeting with an update in terms of the governor in terms of housing, and we are every municipality, and particularly in this area in Westchester County, particularly Northern Westchester.

612
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:37,340
We're under a lot of pressure to show the governor and our assemblymen and our state senator

613
00:46:37,620 --> 00:46:46,040
that we indeed are trying to meet the housing goals that the state is imposing on every

614
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,520
single city, town, and village.

615
00:46:49,420 --> 00:46:55,300
And you know, many years ago, perhaps long before any of you took an interest in coming to

616
00:46:55,300 --> 00:47:04,060
town board meetings, we were targeted as a town that had exclusionary zoning, the fact

617
00:47:04,060 --> 00:47:10,780
that we sat down as a town long before I was on the board, and created zoning that basically

618
00:47:10,780 --> 00:47:18,160
said you can't have multifamily housing units, you can't have apartment buildings, et cetera.

619
00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:22,640
And, and first of all, it wasn't true because we've had many things on the book that have

620
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:52,620
that have encouraged housing, but we definitely had to improve what we offered in terms of and I think what was said before, the variety of housing, not only the variety in terms of two family housing versus an apartment building, but the idea that you're going to have rental, you know, for 55 and older, you're going to have townhouses that obviously they're going to be age targeted, but they will really run the gamut in terms of the age of housing.

621
00:47:52,620 --> 00:47:59,080
groups of the people. And I really would hate to see us as a town, take a step backwards

622
00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:05,160
where once again, you know, we have a target on our back and we have perhaps the federal

623
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:11,420
government or the state government really coming down hard on us because we're not moving

624
00:48:11,420 --> 00:48:13,780
forward with the needs for housing.

625
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:17,340
Thank you, Mark. Any comments?

626
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:31,740
Yeah, so I'm less concerned about, you know, federal or state government coming out against the saying that we're not adding enough housing because we are approving projects when they make sense for the community.

627
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:41,480
my view is it's a balance and I don't I don't love the number of housing units

628
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,700
that are being added in this kind of a period of time but when you think about

629
00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:48,680
this project and we have to look at each of these projects separately there's

630
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,420
a few things about it that's me are a little bit different and I take into

631
00:48:52,420 --> 00:48:58,080
consideration. First of all the location of this project is in an area it's

632
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,400
It's not, it's not, you know, in downtown Armandke, it's, you know, off by the airport.

633
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:03,320
It's on King Street.

634
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:08,940
It's not something that many of us are going to see day-to-day unless we're actually driving

635
00:49:08,940 --> 00:49:09,100
there.

636
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,300
It's not something that we're all going to pass every morning on the way to work or school.

637
00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:21,980
Secondly, I think we, as a community, we need assessables and we need full, fair, non-condotaxed

638
00:49:21,980 --> 00:49:22,480
assessables.

639
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,500
Like, we're in an inflationary environment and we haven't really added assessables in a

640
00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:37,860
long time, and if we don't add full fair assessibles, the reality of what we're going to have is either having to cut back municipal services or increase taxes.

641
00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:47,500
And the way you could avoid that cycle is by adding full fair assessibles because that adds cash flow to the town in excess of the cost of the serve residents.

642
00:49:47,980 --> 00:49:57,140
And one of the reasons that I really long despised condotaxation, especially when it's not in apartment style uses.

643
00:49:57,140 --> 00:50:03,480
is because with contactation, you're adding assessables, but at half the rate of regular fee simple

644
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,280
assessables, and it doesn't cover the cost to serve those new residents.

645
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,620
So while you're adding revenue, you're adding costs that are in excess of the revenue, and

646
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:12,460
it's not really in that benefit financially.

647
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:19,240
On top of that, with this project, as it was kind of said, if we don't approve rezoning,

648
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,700
we are at risk of losing a tax search your RIClaim, where the school would be on the hook for

649
00:50:24,700 --> 00:50:30,100
about $4 million of paying back taxes that they've already collected as if this was office but

650
00:50:30,100 --> 00:50:36,460
it's not. And the town in the county would be about $800,000 each. So, and then there's the,

651
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,740
you know, the multi-million dollar water investment that we kind of get. So, I think the concerns that

652
00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:47,600
the people raised are valid. I share them, but I wanted to share the other side of the equation

653
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:54,620
that I kind of use in balancing this out, which is why I've had kind of a net positive

654
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:58,860
view of moving forward, especially with the change from condo taxation.

655
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,960
The one question that I had that we talked about last time, but we didn't really get to,

656
00:51:03,340 --> 00:51:10,940
we discussed the idea like we did with Eagle Ridge of having a covenant to have a certain

657
00:51:10,940 --> 00:51:11,520
percentage.

658
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:19,160
In Eagle Ridge, we used 60% of the town homes with a primary bedroom on the first floor

659
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:24,200
because this project was always discussed as being age-targeted for the townhouse portion

660
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:29,100
and each targeted meeting master bedroom, primary bedroom on the ground floor, so I think

661
00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:33,980
there was a follow-up item I'd love to hear Tony, your view or the developer's view on.

662
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:43,760
So you're right.

663
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,600
We did talk about our last one, Jeff Wrangler with Airport Campus.

664
00:51:50,180 --> 00:51:58,000
You know, as I stated at the last meeting, it is tough to put further restriction as to what

665
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,680
a project may be in the future, and the point of going to the fee simple, which we are

666
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,500
happy to do at the request of the board was to have the ability to put something out

667
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:15,100
that we felt hit the market. And that market we feel is having the ability to have a bedroom

668
00:52:15,100 --> 00:52:23,420
down, master down or up. So I'd hate to impose on our project further restrictions.

669
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,380
I think

670
00:52:26,380 --> 00:52:32,340
to discuss it a little bit further, potentially give something on it, but I'd really like to keep it the way that it is.

671
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:39,080
I mean, I feel that we are going to market every unit as a potential master down, which I think goes a long way.

672
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,560
But, you know, I think there's folks that would like a master down, even if they had kids.

673
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,820
So, I don't know quite what it does, but I'm happy to discuss and come to a, you know, if you had a thought on it.

674
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:56,440
I think that, look, my home in Armand has, you know, the primary and

675
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,300
bedroom on the ground floor, and, you know, we happen to love it and we're, you

676
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:04,760
know, not, you know, we're in our 40s, right? But so, it's a preference. I just

677
00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:09,940
helped me understand, though, like, how it, I shouldn't view it, though, as a change,

678
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,160
right? Because the entire time we were discussing this project this year, like

679
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:19,660
since January, we're always discussing it as being age-targeted. And so if, you

680
00:53:19,660 --> 00:53:22,280
You know, you guys can't commit to a certain percentage,

681
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,960
let's say 60% just as being like kind of a majority,

682
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:25,840
being age targeted.

683
00:53:26,380 --> 00:53:28,840
Like, how would one view that as not a change?

684
00:53:29,420 --> 00:53:32,200
So, to me, age target is giving the flexibility

685
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,300
where, you know, every unit in this complex

686
00:53:35,300 --> 00:53:37,460
is gonna have the ability to have the master

687
00:53:37,460 --> 00:53:38,180
on the first floor.

688
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,560
So, just by virtue of that, it is targeted

689
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,740
where, you know, folks who want that style of housing

690
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:45,960
have that flexibility.

691
00:53:46,780 --> 00:53:48,780
If they don't then they have the ability

692
00:53:48,780 --> 00:53:54,100
to customize and have the bedrooms upstairs and a little bit more living room on the ground floor.

693
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,540
So I think just by it being marketed that way is age targeted.

694
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:00,980
So, can I ask a question?

695
00:54:01,540 --> 00:54:05,140
Yeah, just one thing I was going to just to frame it for everybody,

696
00:54:05,340 --> 00:54:12,460
like I think there's two benefits of why I'm kind of pushing on the 60% age-targeted

697
00:54:12,460 --> 00:54:14,660
bastard bedroom, primary bedroom on the ground floor.

698
00:54:14,660 --> 00:54:21,200
Another reason one is we do have a shortage of housing for seniors that want to age in place.

699
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,720
Eagle Ridge didn't have any with the last iteration.

700
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:30,080
This project does with the 50 age restricted apartments, right?

701
00:54:30,260 --> 00:54:35,940
So this project is better than Eagle Ridge in that sense, but the other reason is because it lessens the burden on the schools.

702
00:54:36,820 --> 00:54:43,540
And so to me the reason I'm pushing for it is because I think even though it's an acceptable burden on the schools we studied it.

703
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:49,280
During the process I think it you know it was under the impression we were studying it under the lens and the impression

704
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,980
At least I was that it was going to be an age-targeted

705
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,080
project and yeah, and I and I think you do still have that

706
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:56,600
I

707
00:54:58,860 --> 00:55:05,360
Jack do you want to speak to other communities and the percentages that you see just in and how it's marketed?

708
00:55:10,020 --> 00:55:13,200
Jack Landman with told brothers. I

709
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,100
Will add to what Jeff said that we have built numerous age restricted communities where

710
00:55:18,100 --> 00:55:21,880
where people have asked for a master on the second floor, it's not uncommon.

711
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,960
My own father in his seventies purchased a town home with a second floor master bedroom

712
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,860
because he wants his sleeping area to be separate from his entertaining area.

713
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:38,540
So there's more demand for second floor primary suites than you might think with 55 and older

714
00:55:38,540 --> 00:55:38,920
communities.

715
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:43,580
55 is not as old as it was, maybe there aren't going to be the school kids when you get people

716
00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:50,400
of that age, but people still, you know, can do stairs and deal with the second floor

717
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:51,000
of primary suite.

718
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,440
So we want to give the flexibility.

719
00:55:54,660 --> 00:55:55,320
It's important to us.

720
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,400
I was saying, do you have a comment?

721
00:55:59,740 --> 00:55:59,940
Sure.

722
00:56:00,820 --> 00:56:01,940
I'm going to comment on it.

723
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:02,700
Okay.

724
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,240
You may have one.

725
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:03,920
Would you like to go first?

726
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,080
I don't know, because you had a comment on this particular thing.

727
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:06,620
Yes, I do.

728
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:08,720
I'll have a couple of other comments and questions.

729
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:15,560
So I don't even know what it means to say it will be marketed, the practical impact.

730
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,080
of saying it will be marketed as age targeted.

731
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,480
Let's start with the premise and understand what you're saying.

732
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,640
I understand you're saying that you like the first floor bedroom,

733
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:27,040
but then again, you renovated your house.

734
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:29,420
So, who knows what you would have done originally.

735
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,120
In my house, I plan to stay there for the duration.

736
00:56:35,220 --> 00:56:38,100
And I'm glad I have my master upstairs,

737
00:56:38,780 --> 00:56:40,980
but be very easy because I have a guest room downstairs

738
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:43,260
and other space that I can move down there.

739
00:56:43,260 --> 00:56:45,240
And that's something I take into account.

740
00:56:47,820 --> 00:56:53,040
Let's assume total pure intent that you're going to market.

741
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:54,040
It says restrict it.

742
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,280
You're a public company.

743
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:58,520
If you find when these are coming to market

744
00:56:59,860 --> 00:57:03,240
that the world has changed and you can make some more money

745
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,580
selling something that's not on the first bedroom,

746
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:10,020
on the first floor, is a bedroom.

747
00:57:10,020 --> 00:57:14,560
room. I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that you aren't going to change

748
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,660
the game plan. You're going to adjust to the market, the market changes, and we know

749
00:57:19,660 --> 00:57:23,120
it changes a little time. It's certainly changed from when you bought this office park.

750
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:32,580
So to me, it's just very hard to understand this shift, and it came up in Eagle Ridge. I

751
00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:36,880
would think you folks were aware of it when that happened. I would hope you were, but maybe

752
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:43,420
weren't. I think it's crucially important. I think it's part of the overall deal of

753
00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:51,520
what was there. And we really do want to encourage our seniors to stay in town for them to

754
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:58,140
have a place to downsize to. That's one of the reasons I find the repurposed office building

755
00:57:58,140 --> 00:58:04,440
desirable because I think some of them will want that. And it's age restricted, which isn't perfect,

756
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:11,320
but it achieves that some and that's what lets me in this case be in support of that repurposed office.

757
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:19,460
But I think you really should be going to the 60% standard that was done on Eagle Ridge.

758
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:24,220
And I think that was relatively generous and it gives you quite a bit of flex room.

759
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,420
So I'm going to just say it might be finished.

760
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,200
I was just going to say one other thing. I recounted another time how I forget which units it were.

761
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,380
they were on old Route 22.

762
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:41,160
I can visualize this, the broker was there, I was curious to see what was there and pointed

763
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:46,240
out this room that was unfinished, and she pointed out, look over there.

764
00:58:47,020 --> 00:58:51,940
You have a window framed out, so it could ultimately be converted into another bedroom

765
00:58:51,940 --> 00:58:52,460
in some way.

766
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:00,660
These things happen, and I really am very concerned about that, and I think it should be adjusted

767
00:59:00,660 --> 00:59:05,680
in that way. So let me say in my comments and I said at the last meeting at the last hearing,

768
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:12,240
I do look at this differently than Eagle Ridge and I agree with a lot of what Matt and

769
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,420
Barbara said and especially with Matt said about this project being distinctly different. It's

770
00:59:16,420 --> 00:59:23,340
away from town. It's next to the airport. To me it helped on Eagle Ridge to have the requirement

771
00:59:23,340 --> 00:59:31,100
on this particular project. I don't feel that it's important to have it. And

772
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:37,980
toll brothers, as mentioned at several meetings, that's your target. And their

773
00:59:37,980 --> 00:59:42,280
history is putting masters on the first floor in communities like this to reach

774
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:49,100
target. But just to be fair for the applicant, I'm not aware of any switch that

775
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:55,480
the applicant. This has never been originally we were looking at an age-restricted project but

776
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,000
the applicants never switched and said we want to be

777
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:29,550
It's always been age targeted with fee simple. So in my mind, there's never been a switch on that. However, with respect to what Councillor Millen was saying, is there a number, percentage number, I don't think 60% respectfully that is the right number. But to me, if it's like a quarter or a third, if that was a consideration,

778
01:00:29,550 --> 01:00:32,890
because I think you're going to hit that number easily anyway with this project.

779
01:00:33,370 --> 01:00:37,750
Perhaps that's something because I don't think you need it, but I think that it doesn't

780
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:42,870
hurt, but I don't think it's equivalent to Evil Ridge where 60 to me sounded like the

781
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:43,310
right number.

782
01:00:43,830 --> 01:00:48,610
So, you can comment on that and agree or not agree before that and even make some comment.

783
01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:57,010
Yeah, so the reason, look, I'm not saying it's like a switch per se, but I asked it as

784
01:00:57,010 --> 01:00:57,390
a question.

785
01:00:58,730 --> 01:01:27,030
I have to ask a question of how should I not view it as a switch, because I kind of intuitively am, but I just wanted to, like maybe somebody at a different point of view when I wanted to be open-minded, that the reason I was leaning towards saying it was a switch is because I always interpreted age-targeted as meaning the primary bedroom is on the ground floor, and that matters because you're going to wind up having a higher percentage of residents that don't have school-aged children.

786
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:30,130
in my mind if you market the units that way.

787
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:36,690
And so the reason I view it as a switch is because if there's no teeth to it at all,

788
01:01:36,850 --> 01:01:40,650
and now they could just, they could market them that way, or they could market them the

789
01:01:40,650 --> 01:01:46,450
other way, they could have 10% that way, or 90% that way, it's not really like characteristic

790
01:01:46,450 --> 01:01:50,030
of the project, it's just something that's floating out there.

791
01:01:50,030 --> 01:02:13,170
And so, to me, I get that this is a little different than Eagle Ridge, but if it's not at least half of them, then it's not, you know, that are required, then I don't think you can call it, you know, that it's an age-targeted development because it's less than half of them that would even be age-targeted, that's my point of view.

792
01:02:13,170 --> 01:02:20,710
Just a point of information, this applicant has agreed to file a covenant restricting the

793
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:22,830
townhouses to know more than three bedrooms.

794
01:02:24,090 --> 01:02:29,930
So that kind of avoids what you mentioned about a illegal conversion occurring.

795
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:31,650
Now there's a file covenant.

796
01:02:31,730 --> 01:02:33,870
I wasn't addressing that there.

797
01:02:33,870 --> 01:02:35,190
I'm just saying things happen.

798
01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:37,010
I was analogizing in terms of the marketing.

799
01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:39,610
But that's not something we had from Eagle Ridge.

800
01:02:39,610 --> 01:02:57,610
So here we've got something different, that kind of limits the, if you're worried about school aged children, that kind of limits that without there being aged targeting percentages, just it's in the findings it's a requirement.

801
01:02:57,910 --> 01:03:08,170
No, I get that and I think that's a valid point too, but it's also, when we set aged targeted the interpretation I think we all had is primary bedrooms on the ground floor.

802
01:03:10,530 --> 01:03:14,390
And again, the footprint of the buildings does not change, right?

803
01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:16,210
The interiors are what changes in that.

804
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:19,490
So I think that's an important point.

805
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:25,050
So it's not like we can, you know, we'll make a switch at one point, build them all, you know, at different styles.

806
01:03:25,290 --> 01:03:27,250
So the footprint doesn't change.

807
01:03:29,010 --> 01:03:34,450
And in light of the spirit that we've had for basically eight years now, I'm happy to make a compromise on it.

808
01:03:35,550 --> 01:03:37,770
And I spoke with toll on our team.

809
01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:47,790
So if we were to, we have 175 units, 50 of them there in the multifamily, they should come out of the math and then the affordable should come out of the math.

810
01:03:48,070 --> 01:03:56,370
If you want to do 25% of the balance as primary first floor, I think we're fine with that and we can put the issue to bed.

811
01:03:57,070 --> 01:03:59,590
So come out of the math meaning the 50 or age restricted.

812
01:04:02,590 --> 01:04:08,530
How are the affordables relevant to being pulled out should in whatever you're doing apply

813
01:04:08,530 --> 01:04:09,150
to them as well?

814
01:04:10,170 --> 01:04:14,590
I just think that it's a different metric as you look at the project so that that's

815
01:04:14,590 --> 01:04:18,790
what we were comfortable with and again we're happy to give on the item to move on.

816
01:04:23,410 --> 01:04:28,090
Look I appreciate that like I thought 60% was the right number because we used an

817
01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:33,010
on Eagle Ridge, I still think it really should be half because if something is less than

818
01:04:33,010 --> 01:04:38,350
half, you know, age targeted, I don't think it's the same as saying this is an age targeted

819
01:04:38,350 --> 01:04:44,690
development. And we said the town homes were age targeted, so to me, like I think it should

820
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:46,570
be at least half of the town homes.

821
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:49,920
Again,

822
01:04:52,520 --> 01:05:02,300
I just think it's a different project than Eagle Ridge was, and we've worked, we have

823
01:05:02,300 --> 01:05:05,960
feel strongly that we need to hit a market at some point for this project to be successful.

824
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:09,140
So to be further bound, it's tough.

825
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,660
So trying to meet you.

826
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:12,320
I don't know.

827
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,880
I understand, but when you say further bound, this was the way we were talking about it the

828
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:17,620
entire time that it was going to be aged targeted.

829
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:22,440
So I don't view this as adding a restriction of like the 11th hour.

830
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,520
I view this really as just saying, just make it what you said it was going to be the whole

831
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:26,580
month.

832
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,900
But by doing that, it's not really changing what we said.

833
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:36,300
We said it's going to be, you know, mastered, down marketed, which all of our buildings have been designed to do that.

834
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,800
That they can all be what they need to be.

835
01:05:41,100 --> 01:05:43,440
So, wait, sorry, just to take that apart for a sec to make sure I'm getting it.

836
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:50,220
So, you won't be marketing these units as marketing them is saying you have an option of where you put the primary veteran.

837
01:05:50,500 --> 01:05:51,140
I'm not the marketing.

838
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:51,940
So, no.

839
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:53,240
Oh, it's whole brothers speak to that.

840
01:05:53,800 --> 01:06:07,880
It's our intention to have multiple floor plans available, the majority of which would be first floor primaries, and that's what we expect, candidly, what we expect the majority to be, but we want to provide buyers with the flexibility.

841
01:06:10,460 --> 01:06:11,580
What other people think?

842
01:06:12,420 --> 01:06:14,840
I just did some quick math and said, man, save this helps.

843
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:16,600
I think there's 18, affordable?

844
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:42,800
We have a hundred and seventy-five units and we have fifty at or already age restricted.

845
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,360
You take the eighteen off.

846
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:44,920
But

847
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,960
don't forget that 10% you have 10% the multifamily of the affordables yeah

848
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:59,080
And to me the affordables should be whatever the affordables need I don't need to restrict those on a restricted et cetera

849
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:00,260
so

850
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:02,540
of that one oh seven

851
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:07,800
You have if it's 25% of that that's 27 units

852
01:07:08,540 --> 01:07:09,720
on our back, right?

853
01:07:10,540 --> 01:07:14,900
So if you had the 27 to the 50 you've got 77 units of

854
01:07:14,900 --> 01:07:21,760
almost age restricted because the age restricted in the the apartment building is

855
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:27,580
age restricted and you've got 27 extra first floor master's guaranteed and

856
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:34,280
I think we're gonna have much more than that but 27 they get you to 77 so as a

857
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:39,880
percentage of the entire project taking out you know second the 18

858
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:48,960
affordable is off of the 175 you're at 49% of the entire project right so it

859
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,500
doesn't get what you want which is half of the town homes but you're still

860
01:07:52,500 --> 01:07:58,780
getting you know sort of more insured that 49% of the units taking me

861
01:07:58,780 --> 01:08:04,480
fordables out is a little more than targeted age restrict that it's really

862
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:09,620
age restrict doesn't mean that somebody can't that wants to live there that's not

863
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:16,440
older won't want to have a unit with a master on the first but and and again I'm

864
01:08:16,440 --> 01:08:20,540
I'm less concerned about you know I respect Matt's opinion on this I think it

865
01:08:20,540 --> 01:08:25,260
is different I don't think it's needed in that location as it was more

866
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:29,300
importantly on Eagle Ridge but I'm just trying to find some common ground I get it

867
01:08:29,300 --> 01:08:33,860
and I don't want to be dismissive but you know and along the way when we first made

868
01:08:33,860 --> 01:08:39,420
the switch to feet taxation and we started to talk about what this

869
01:08:40,040 --> 01:09:08,820
I think it was Barbara's idea to have almost a transitional style development where you have an age-restricted building which was easy for us to do in the multi-family and then have the age targeted so you could see the progression of that style housing but we gave on that really quickly so that it would be age-restricted and further help the community and the schools and so again, I value the math on it that it's the project overall.

870
01:09:08,820 --> 01:09:12,040
I don't know if it helps, but I just, Mike, in what way are you seeing this as being

871
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:14,720
different than Eagle Ridge for the age study?

872
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,440
Well, I've already have an age restricted building in the development, so that's going

873
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:24,560
to attract people of the light community.

874
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,160
You're going to have 50 tents

875
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,200
in that apartment building when it's built and rented, and the

876
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:34,060
location of it.

877
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,940
You know, location Eagle Ridge is right here, it's right across the street.

878
01:09:36,940 --> 01:09:44,960
So, to me, it is a different animal project, and I don't think it warrants it, but I'm

879
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:50,660
trying to find some common ground here that accomplishes part of what, you know, part

880
01:09:50,660 --> 01:09:51,600
of what Matt's comments were.

881
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:52,020
That's all.

882
01:09:52,520 --> 01:10:00,820
But acknowledging there is a significant amount with that 25% taking out the age restrict,

883
01:10:00,820 --> 01:10:07,020
taking out the affordable, it's about half of what's remaining is

884
01:10:07,020 --> 01:10:11,240
age restricted and are not more than age targeted, you know, with masters on

885
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,880
the first. No guarantee, somebody with 55 will live there, but likely they would.

886
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,760
So, that's it.

887
01:10:23,940 --> 01:10:30,160
More comments on it? Look, I think I was originally expecting it to be,

888
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:34,740
you know, 50 or 60% of the 125 townhomes.

889
01:10:35,380 --> 01:10:38,840
Like, I think I would feel comfortable

890
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:41,240
if you said it's 50% of the townhomes

891
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:46,020
that are acts the AFFH portion,

892
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:48,200
which I think is a reasonable compromise.

893
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:50,060
It's substantially less than the 60%

894
01:10:50,060 --> 01:10:51,060
that Eagle Ridge has to do

895
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:52,900
because I do think this is different

896
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:55,260
because there's two reasons

897
01:10:55,260 --> 01:10:58,320
why I think having primary bedrooms

898
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:10,140
on the ground floor for age targeting helps, one is because the impact of the schools and two is to provide more of a product that we don't currently have enough of, which is just housing for seniors that want to age a place.

899
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,620
So I think that that's a reasonable compromise.

900
01:11:13,140 --> 01:11:19,720
Did you say 50 or 60% of the age targeted of that are not affordable?

901
01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:21,820
Yes, of the 125 that are not affordable.

902
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:27,240
So if we said, if we say 45%, yeah, exactly, of the total.

903
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,460
Which would be 56 units, yes, thank you.

904
01:11:32,500 --> 01:11:34,380
Yeah, let me just add a couple comments here.

905
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,140
So for me, I think it's, to me, it seems reasonable.

906
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,920
Like I think it's important that you provide flexibility to people coming in, but given

907
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:53,000
that you are doing age targeting, I think it's fair for you to commit to 50, I thought 60%

908
01:11:53,000 --> 01:12:01,980
was fair and certainly 50% without the affordable units without kind of keeping from the flexibility,

909
01:12:02,380 --> 01:12:07,340
as long as you're doing age targeting. Because when you get down to like the 25% range,

910
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:11,320
at that point you could change your whole strategy and not be age targeting,

911
01:12:11,900 --> 01:12:19,800
and then you'd still be able to hit the 25. So to me it just seems reasonable to expect a higher

912
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,520
percentage given that you're doing age targeting.

913
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:28,160
So I don't feel like that is a constraint on you.

914
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,400
I would think that that still allows you to give flexibility to folks.

915
01:12:34,460 --> 01:12:39,960
I'm going to go back to what the toll, one of the toll representatives said at the last hearing of the one before that.

916
01:12:40,140 --> 01:12:43,000
Just using real life examples of what they've been building in the county.

917
01:12:43,580 --> 01:12:48,720
I think they use pleasant bill and I think at what other developments they use and they were using real life numbers

918
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:55,620
of the amount of units that they're making or percentages that have first floor masters.

919
01:12:56,420 --> 01:13:02,920
And I think there's a fairness piece here.

920
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,780
We want the right project if we're going to approve it.

921
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:11,980
When I do the last piece of math, if they did half of the town homes

922
01:13:11,980 --> 01:13:15,060
and you add the age restricted building to it,

923
01:13:15,060 --> 01:13:22,560
You've got 71% of the entire project taking out the affordables as almost insured

924
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,860
at age restricted because of the masters on the first floor.

925
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:32,540
I'm fully confident based on what they're building and what they can market that that's

926
01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:33,540
what the market's going to be.

927
01:13:33,680 --> 01:13:38,440
And you've already got a third of that project, almost a third of that project would age

928
01:13:38,440 --> 01:13:39,340
restricted residents.

929
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,620
I think it's going to naturally attract age restricted residents versus younger families

930
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:47,520
or something that want to live in a development with

931
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:53,460
an agency-stricted department building, a higher-end agency-stricted department building.

932
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:59,600
So I just think I don't need it personally on this application,

933
01:13:59,780 --> 01:14:04,160
but I think 25% is a fair number, but you've heard two board members that are

934
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:04,980
for

935
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,080
three that are provided alternative views.

936
01:14:10,860 --> 01:14:14,460
How about we circle through the rest of the meeting and let us think about it a little bit

937
01:14:14,460 --> 01:14:16,800
and hit the other topics and come back?

938
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:17,400
That's fine.

939
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,380
I would just like, excuse me, I just would like to say that I don't,

940
01:14:20,380 --> 01:14:35,720
I don't think that 50 or 60% of the townhouses should be restricted to first bedrooms.

941
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:42,200
I think that, you know, given the location near the airport,

942
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:48,260
This is not going to be an easy sell with the average person.

943
01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:59,600
I also think, and correct me if I'm wrong, this discussion of restricting a certain percentage to first floor bedrooms only came up recently.

944
01:15:00,180 --> 01:15:29,800
And, you know, I think that it's something that should have been put on the table a while ago, and not sort of at the very end, and just in terms of fairness. It's already on that. And the fact that, you know, we have guaranteed 50 units, the apartments that are for 55 and older. But on your point, Barbara, you know, saying that I'm bringing this up at the 11th hour,

945
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:37,600
weren't we talking about this project, the 125 townhomes, being age-targeted this entire year?

946
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:39,580
Yes, I know that.

947
01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:42,280
Age-targeted, this entire year.

948
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:43,900
What is age-targeted?

949
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:48,940
The first floor bedroom, but they are saying they're going to market it that way.

950
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:51,080
They're saying it in earnest.

951
01:15:52,380 --> 01:15:53,840
And I think, you know.

952
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,960
What did I, I'm sorry, they're saying it in what?

953
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:57,560
In earnest.

954
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:09,780
And I just don't think it's necessary with this particular project, with this location, with 50 guaranteed age restricted apartments.

955
01:16:11,300 --> 01:16:13,340
There's a flip side to it as well.

956
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:22,720
If you leave it as a commitment, that it's a 100% commitment, that they're going to age target all the units.

957
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:30,040
that's one avenue. If you limited what you're really saying to them, no matter what percentage

958
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:35,660
you choose, is that now they only have to age target 40, 50 percent, whatever number

959
01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:40,800
you agree to, and the rest of them, they can market however they choose. So, which way

960
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:41,500
are you better off?

961
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,760
I don't see it that way, because I think if they have a hurdle where they know, like they

962
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:50,680
can have 90 percent primary bedrooms on the first floor, that won't matter. It's just

963
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:55,980
it has to be above 50 with the, you know, my proposal, they're going to market all of them

964
01:16:55,980 --> 01:16:59,360
that way because they know that they need to get at least that many and they don't know

965
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:00,600
exactly how many they're going to get.

966
01:17:01,020 --> 01:17:05,820
So I think it encourages having the covenant, it encourages them to market it the way that

967
01:17:05,820 --> 01:17:07,360
they said they would in my mind.

968
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:09,260
I don't know.

969
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,520
I have a proposal in the spirit of what you brought up with Eagle Ridge.

970
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:19,980
If you say, if we were to say that 60% of the entire projects would either be first floor primary

971
01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:26,900
or one level, and that would mean 44% of the town homes would have to be first floor primers.

972
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:31,160
One level? Meaning the apartments.

973
01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:38,620
And now you excluding the affordables? I don't want to restrict the affordables.

974
01:17:39,180 --> 01:17:45,060
Those are there for a reason. I don't think we should be restricting people who need to live in those affordables

975
01:17:45,060 --> 01:17:49,920
by pigeon holding who could live there, or that to me,

976
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:51,980
they should be taking off at the table.

977
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,120
Those I had 18, but if it's six.

978
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:56,180
So could you repeat that again?

979
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:01,520
I said, if we want to get to 60% of the entire project,

980
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:06,280
is it either has one level homes, meaning the 50 apartments,

981
01:18:07,020 --> 01:18:10,680
or first floor primaries, that would require a restriction

982
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,980
of 44% of the town homes to have a first floor primary.

983
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:20,460
Leaving out the affordable. I didn't even factor in the affordable. Okay, so then let's

984
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:25,080
You use it in calculator, right?

985
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:31,640
I actually used to be better at doing this in my head

986
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,020
So my math is if you took

987
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:44,400
It's actually exactly what I think I think we're exactly the same pay that was it works out to exactly what I

988
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:45,560
proposed

989
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:47,220
so if you say

990
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:53,820
you know, 60% of 175 units, just to make them do in the math twice to make sure that's a 0-5.

991
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:59,660
Yeah, that's 105 units that would have to be either apartment style or first floor primary.

992
01:18:59,660 --> 01:19:00,520
So tracked out the 50.

993
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:07,020
So tracked out the 50, you're left with 55 of the 125 town homes, which was the same thing, you know, I was saying,

994
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:09,880
when I said 50% X to AFFH1, so I'm fine with that.

995
01:19:10,140 --> 01:19:15,680
So just to clarify though, I think it's important that the affordables are taken out of that.

996
01:19:16,300 --> 01:19:22,340
I don't think the affordables should be required to be first floor masters because now you're defeating the purpose of the affordables.

997
01:19:23,060 --> 01:19:32,820
So my math was pretty close to yours, but I get to 160 if I take the total of 175 and you said 16, is that the right number?

998
01:19:32,940 --> 01:19:35,040
Adam, do you know if it's 16 affordables total?

999
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,620
I thought it was 10% which would have we were round up to 18.

1000
01:19:40,820 --> 01:19:42,740
Oh, it's the markery and I'm sorry.

1001
01:19:43,020 --> 01:19:47,380
Okay, so then it's actually lower than 16.

1002
01:19:48,280 --> 01:19:49,020
Right, it's 13.

1003
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:51,120
Right?

1004
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:52,520
125 is market.

1005
01:19:53,460 --> 01:19:55,640
So you round up, so it's 13.

1006
01:19:57,120 --> 01:19:57,640
Right.

1007
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,960
Well, I'm splitting here, but let's say it's 112.

1008
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:04,220
If

1009
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:16,650
you take 175 minus 13, 162, everybody brought their calculators today.

1010
01:20:19,170 --> 01:20:24,590
Yeah, so I get to 47, not whatever the number you had is 55.

1011
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:34,610
If you start at 175 and you take the 13 off, you have 162 left and 60% of that number

1012
01:20:34,610 --> 01:20:46,630
is right number 162.6. Yeah, it's 97, right? But we've already covered 50 in the building.

1013
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:58,550
So that leaves us with 47. And 47. So you get 47 plus 50. I guess 97 divided by 175,

1014
01:21:01,950 --> 01:21:01,950
the

1015
01:21:01,950 --> 01:21:06,850
your four doubles of 97 divided by 162,

1016
01:21:11,180 --> 01:21:15,440
you get this 59% right but we never we keep

1017
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:19,080
front you keep framing it as the entire project but you know we were always

1018
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:24,540
talking about there's gonna be 50 age restricted apartments and then 125 age

1019
01:21:24,540 --> 01:21:29,720
targeted condos first our age target at town homes so it's not like I think

1020
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:32,960
that's different math than what we were talking about the whole time like look

1021
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:38,120
The way of boiling this down, the Eagle Ridge equivalent would have been 75 of the townhomes.

1022
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:41,560
That would have been 60% of 125 is 75.

1023
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:49,000
I was then talking about going to 50% of 125, which was 62 and a half.

1024
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,900
I came up with another proposal that was 56.

1025
01:21:52,740 --> 01:21:57,260
You came up with a proposal that was 55 and you're talking about one that's 47.

1026
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:59,320
I'm okay with 55.

1027
01:22:00,260 --> 01:22:02,100
I think there's sound logic to it.

1028
01:22:02,100 --> 01:22:09,940
But I think it winds up being half of the 125 townhomes without AFFH units in it, which

1029
01:22:09,940 --> 01:22:10,740
is reasonable to me.

1030
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,520
So that's kind of where my view is.

1031
01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:13,560
So what's the formula?

1032
01:22:13,780 --> 01:22:16,660
Because if we're going to agree to this, we've got to put it into the resolution, right?

1033
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:17,040
Yeah.

1034
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:22,700
I think you just make it really simple and just say at least 55 of the, rather than making

1035
01:22:22,700 --> 01:22:28,380
it overly complicated, we could just say, I mean, 55 of the townhomes have to have to

1036
01:22:28,380 --> 01:22:28,420
have the market.

1037
01:22:28,420 --> 01:22:29,140
More than none of.

1038
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:36,300
25 of the market townhomes. Yes, 55 of the market town percentage. I mean, we're not guaranteed.

1039
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:50,920
If you'd rather do it your way, that's fine. I don't care. I don't care. I mean, by our math, the 44, I can live with 44% of the market rate townhomes, which I think gets you to 60% of the overall project.

1040
01:22:52,820 --> 01:22:58,280
Yeah, I think those are different, but on the way I did it because if you say 60% of the 175 units,

1041
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:07,840
That's 105 units and then less 50 for the apartments is 55 out of a 125 oh, I see what you're saying for the 44%

1042
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:11,400
So that's you're that's not 44 of non-market rate. That's 44 of everything

1043
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:18,240
I'm okay with the way you said it 60% if you want to do it that way. I'm okay with it if everybody else is just saying

1044
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:25,500
60% 60% what would you say was 60% of all of the units 175 units in total

1045
01:23:25,500 --> 01:23:32,320
60% of them have to either be one level, meaning apartment or primary bedroom on the first floor.

1046
01:23:34,770 --> 01:23:46,110
60% of the market rate units in the entire community need to either be a one level apartment style home or a town home with the first floor primary bedroom.

1047
01:23:46,690 --> 01:23:47,970
Oh, what's the market rate?

1048
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:50,010
I don't think that's what you were saying before.

1049
01:23:53,670 --> 01:24:01,150
But there's still going to be, there's still going to be five affordable age restricted apartments, right?

1050
01:24:01,970 --> 01:24:02,710
Because you have to have like.

1051
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:10,390
So there'll be five of those in 13 of the town homes.

1052
01:24:11,470 --> 01:24:14,530
That before you said it was including the affordables when I asked about it.

1053
01:24:14,950 --> 01:24:15,950
So it should all be in there.

1054
01:24:17,710 --> 01:24:29,730
Also, not to change the calculations, let's count the repurposed buildings being 50 units, but let's remember that, you know, that's up to 50, so maybe fewer units there.

1055
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:34,570
So you were saying potentially it's charged, yes.

1056
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:38,730
We'll do the percentage, but just to use that number,

1057
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:46,650
it's 105 units to include one level living and town home,

1058
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:47,950
which gets you to the 55.

1059
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:50,630
That was my math, right?

1060
01:24:50,850 --> 01:24:50,930
Yes.

1061
01:24:53,110 --> 01:24:57,210
And we should use a percentage not an aggregate number

1062
01:24:57,210 --> 01:25:00,710
because your project could shrink and then you're stuck with a very high percentage.

1063
01:25:01,070 --> 01:25:01,330
It's

1064
01:25:03,380 --> 01:25:03,720
a question.

1065
01:25:04,380 --> 01:25:05,760
This is a question.

1066
01:25:08,860 --> 01:25:11,200
Alan Blum, our monk resident.

1067
01:25:11,560 --> 01:25:12,820
I have no skin in this game.

1068
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,120
So, just a question.

1069
01:25:15,820 --> 01:25:19,180
One, how big are these townhouses in square foot living space?

1070
01:25:22,530 --> 01:25:26,910
How many square feet are these townhouses in the living space?

1071
01:25:27,670 --> 01:25:32,410
I believe they're in the 2,200 to 2,600 square foot range.

1072
01:25:32,410 --> 01:25:33,790
Okay, and you said three bedrooms, right?

1073
01:25:34,890 --> 01:25:35,990
I haven't seen the garage or without.

1074
01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:36,850
Without.

1075
01:25:37,270 --> 01:25:38,090
Yeah, usually without.

1076
01:25:38,450 --> 01:25:40,950
Is there a basement, above-round basement,

1077
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:43,370
that you finish, or that could be finished

1078
01:25:43,370 --> 01:25:43,830
the day later?

1079
01:25:44,630 --> 01:25:46,310
All right, it would be an option to finish it.

1080
01:25:46,590 --> 01:25:46,810
Okay.

1081
01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:50,550
So we know what people do with raw space

1082
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:52,810
and what they do later after you leave.

1083
01:25:53,890 --> 01:25:57,850
So my question is, if the master bedroom,

1084
01:25:58,130 --> 01:26:00,790
you have a plan to build it a certain size,

1085
01:26:00,790 --> 01:26:05,810
is what would happen if two of the bedrooms, one on the main floor, one on the second floor,

1086
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:09,410
were about the same size each with its own on the suite.

1087
01:26:09,870 --> 01:26:15,190
You might be able to settle this whole problem, now would be up to the individual, you solve

1088
01:26:15,190 --> 01:26:19,730
your marketing issue, because that's what this really is, is a marketing issue, for the

1089
01:26:19,730 --> 01:26:21,170
town as well as the consumer.

1090
01:26:22,670 --> 01:26:26,090
And you have the ability to give the flexibility to the homeowner.

1091
01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:30,210
So just a comment on an observation that I'm hearing here.

1092
01:26:30,210 --> 01:26:34,370
just so you know I have some expertise in marketing so that's why where I'm

1093
01:26:34,370 --> 01:26:39,050
coming from but I have no skin in the game and what you've said well sounds

1094
01:26:39,050 --> 01:26:42,730
good but you're looking for flexibility and you're looking for a marketing

1095
01:26:42,730 --> 01:26:47,470
message to the community to the town and to address a problem that's happening

1096
01:26:47,470 --> 01:26:57,370
now in Westchester just something to consider I don't have a response to that right

1097
01:26:58,890 --> 01:27:06,670
I have no skin in this game either, and it probably doesn't even pertain to me, but

1098
01:27:06,670 --> 01:27:07,750
it's telling us who you are.

1099
01:27:07,930 --> 01:27:09,810
Nico Marino, just a question.

1100
01:27:10,590 --> 01:27:17,010
Is there a requirement that you're saying that there is, what's the criteria of the

1101
01:27:17,010 --> 01:27:24,730
requirements that have to meet a elder living space, or however you put it, to be able

1102
01:27:24,730 --> 01:27:29,230
to offset the school taxes or something with two?

1103
01:27:29,250 --> 01:27:30,450
Yes, let me, let me maybe try to.

1104
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:33,810
Is there a set, like, what they have to commit to?

1105
01:27:34,350 --> 01:27:34,470
Right.

1106
01:27:34,570 --> 01:27:40,890
So, there's, age restriction is, like, it's a restriction in the deed that typically

1107
01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:43,770
would say at least one person, and so be correct, maybe if I say anything wrong,

1108
01:27:43,970 --> 01:27:48,350
at least one person would have to be 55 and older in order for somebody to buy the unit.

1109
01:27:48,710 --> 01:27:53,530
And so we have these apartments, these 50 apartments, that because of the style

1110
01:27:53,530 --> 01:28:00,030
of the way they're built, they're getting condotaxation, which basically means they're going to be paying half the tax of what it would if it was fee simple.

1111
01:28:01,410 --> 01:28:23,470
Well, it will hurt that they're only paying half the tax, but because they're all going to have age restriction, you shouldn't have very many school-aged children coming from the 50 apartment complex, but with, you know, the project as it was always discussed would be the 125 townhomes, which are going to pay full tax like everybody else does in town, that they were going to be age-targeted, not age-restricted.

1112
01:28:23,470 --> 01:28:44,270
So anybody could buy it, but they would be marketed with the primary bedroom on the ground floor such that you would wind up having fewer school-aged children as if you just marketed them freely as anything which helps the, you know, the, you know, kind of financial impact of the school because you're getting full taxes, but you might not have quite as many kids to have to serve.

1113
01:28:44,730 --> 01:28:46,550
That's like the logic of what we're kind of discussing.

1114
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:55,210
The only commitment is in the 50 apartments, you have to have somebody who's living there that's 55 and older in order to buy one.

1115
01:28:55,730 --> 01:28:59,290
So in many communities they just say age restricted or age targeted rather.

1116
01:28:59,470 --> 01:29:02,670
So here we're trying to put some bones on it, flesh and bones.

1117
01:29:03,110 --> 01:29:07,210
So 50%, there will only go to 50% of the townhouses, less the affordable.

1118
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:09,450
I'm good with that.

1119
01:29:10,130 --> 01:29:10,450
Thank you.

1120
01:29:10,450 --> 01:29:10,890
Wait, could you?

1121
01:29:11,350 --> 01:29:14,550
50% of the town homes, less the afford,

1122
01:29:14,710 --> 01:29:16,970
like take the town homes, less the AFFH,

1123
01:29:17,150 --> 01:29:19,810
and 50% of the remainder, so it should be 56.

1124
01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:24,730
Right to the right.

1125
01:29:24,950 --> 01:29:25,490
Right, it is.

1126
01:29:25,770 --> 01:29:26,210
It's 56.

1127
01:29:27,390 --> 01:29:29,030
Get you counted to that again, I'm sorry.

1128
01:29:29,490 --> 01:29:32,510
So you take the 125 town homes, do you buy two?

1129
01:29:33,050 --> 01:29:34,030
Well, wait, before you do that,

1130
01:29:34,170 --> 01:29:36,190
you just say take out the AFFH,

1131
01:29:36,890 --> 01:29:38,390
so that's how many of those out?

1132
01:29:38,610 --> 01:29:40,330
The AFFH or the townhouse?

1133
01:29:41,170 --> 01:29:41,890
The townhouse?

1134
01:29:43,450 --> 01:29:46,610
Yeah, thank you. No, it's a good question. So that should be 11.

1135
01:29:48,010 --> 01:29:50,590
Wow, I was using 12 13 13

1136
01:29:51,970 --> 01:29:59,850
No, but your number is right 125 list 13's 112 half of that is 56. You're right, but it was more it was more the concept that I thought was like a

1137
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,840
I'll justify a welcome.

1138
01:30:03,430 --> 01:30:30,530
I'm good with that tone. So you have 56 town homes, non affordable, and you have 50 in the age restricted buildings, you got 106. You win. Very reasonable. I think we just sold the last outstanding issue. Well, that's great. So won't be that affordable. That'll be marketed in that way.

1139
01:30:31,250 --> 01:30:32,350
We're saying, right?

1140
01:30:33,750 --> 01:30:35,490
It's not saying that it's not marketed.

1141
01:30:35,710 --> 01:30:36,730
It's just not restricted.

1142
01:30:37,290 --> 01:30:37,410
Right.

1143
01:30:39,010 --> 01:30:41,130
Because yeah, I hear what you're saying, Mike,

1144
01:30:41,250 --> 01:30:44,810
but I'm not sure that you might not have older people

1145
01:30:45,390 --> 01:30:48,010
who want to live in affordable too, but leave that aside.

1146
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:50,150
And then how does this roll out?

1147
01:30:50,210 --> 01:30:51,750
So we have the total that are being there.

1148
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:56,970
Are you required to market them as you have a certain percentage

1149
01:30:56,970 --> 01:31:04,390
actually be first floor as you're going along or at the end of the process. I think we're

1150
01:31:04,390 --> 01:31:09,230
complicated. You better tell it all we're working out with the planning where we'll figure

1151
01:31:09,230 --> 01:31:13,870
it out. Okay. Well you're doing it in two phases. So at the end of the project we'll need

1152
01:31:13,870 --> 01:31:20,670
to. Yeah. What I would recommend is we do a disease phase otherwise who knows if we ever

1153
01:31:20,670 --> 01:31:25,850
get there. Okay. Does that make sense Matt? Yeah. Well there's two technically two projects.

1154
01:31:25,850 --> 01:31:35,690
So, tolls building, they agreed to 50% of the non-affordable market, which gets you 56 of the 112.

1155
01:31:36,370 --> 01:31:42,610
And the other building may not be built by toll, may be built by the applicant, and that's all age restricted.

1156
01:31:42,990 --> 01:31:43,890
That's not what I was saying.

1157
01:31:44,170 --> 01:31:46,230
That's not going to have the covenant on it.

1158
01:31:46,350 --> 01:31:48,970
Not going to have the covenant, but there's no changes.

1159
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:51,790
There's going to be two phases on the townhomes, as I recall.

1160
01:31:52,610 --> 01:31:53,170
Thank you.

1161
01:31:53,730 --> 01:31:54,530
A few instructions.

1162
01:31:55,330 --> 01:31:55,550
Yes.

1163
01:31:56,430 --> 01:31:56,690
Right.

1164
01:31:56,890 --> 01:32:00,070
So what I would suggest is that we have the percentages applied to each face.

1165
01:32:00,650 --> 01:32:01,750
Otherwise, I don't agree with that.

1166
01:32:01,790 --> 01:32:02,010
I don't agree with that.

1167
01:32:02,050 --> 01:32:02,170
Yeah.

1168
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:02,730
Sorry.

1169
01:32:02,910 --> 01:32:03,450
I misunderstood.

1170
01:32:03,790 --> 01:32:03,890
Yeah.

1171
01:32:04,510 --> 01:32:05,110
I'm okay.

1172
01:32:05,250 --> 01:32:11,850
I just wanted it to be, if they said it was going to be age targeted, I just wanted, you know, at least half of it to be age targeted.

1173
01:32:12,090 --> 01:32:13,250
I wasn't really so specific.

1174
01:32:13,330 --> 01:32:17,590
They need to build this and to construction efficiencies.

1175
01:32:17,590 --> 01:32:20,830
These, we don't need to split here, in my opinion,

1176
01:32:20,970 --> 01:32:21,970
we just put hairs behind that.

1177
01:32:22,090 --> 01:32:26,150
They've agreed from zero to half of the market rate townhomes.

1178
01:32:26,610 --> 01:32:30,970
That's a pretty big concession on their part considering we've talked about age,

1179
01:32:31,050 --> 01:32:35,630
targeted what we haven't talked about, a percentage until I think last meeting.

1180
01:32:36,230 --> 01:32:39,110
So I'm fine with exactly the way it's been proposed.

1181
01:32:39,530 --> 01:32:44,470
And I was only raising it because we've seen not suggesting bad faith,

1182
01:32:44,470 --> 01:32:55,230
but applicants come back and look what happened, and we really need relief from this, so that's why it's thinking since there are two clear phases, that's why you might want to have it apply a percentage-wise teach phase.

1183
01:32:56,770 --> 01:33:08,590
I get it. We've done it only on one project, Bremwood, but it was for a different reason, but they've got tens of millions into this project. I think they're pretty motivated to get this project built.

1184
01:33:08,590 --> 01:33:11,910
I just got 50% and I'm fine.

1185
01:33:12,530 --> 01:33:18,470
Why, just clarifying, raising it, any other comments?

1186
01:33:18,710 --> 01:33:19,490
Who's that you wanted to share?

1187
01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:26,570
So this is something that the fire department is concerned about.

1188
01:33:27,670 --> 01:33:37,150
Not because they think there's necessarily a problem, but they want to be extra sure that the office building is sprinklered and will be sprinklered.

1189
01:33:37,150 --> 01:33:38,310
one's residential, right?

1190
01:33:38,510 --> 01:33:38,810
It is.

1191
01:33:39,230 --> 01:33:40,250
Jeff mentioned that the way.

1192
01:33:40,250 --> 01:33:42,210
I would think so, I was just trying to clarify.

1193
01:33:42,990 --> 01:33:46,770
So, and they have every faith that the building inspector,

1194
01:33:46,970 --> 01:33:50,550
the engineers, everyone's going to make sure it's well sprinklered,

1195
01:33:50,650 --> 01:33:53,650
but it really is very important to them that even,

1196
01:33:53,770 --> 01:33:57,210
I don't know how sprinklers work in terms of better or worse,

1197
01:33:57,310 --> 01:33:59,470
but they want to make sure that even remote areas in the buildings

1198
01:33:59,970 --> 01:34:00,850
are well sprinklered.

1199
01:34:01,450 --> 01:34:02,210
It's all code, right?

1200
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:02,910
It's all code.

1201
01:34:02,970 --> 01:34:04,410
You've got to sprinkler what you have to sprinkler.

1202
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:10,430
So if you could note that though, that'd be great.

1203
01:34:10,670 --> 01:34:12,090
They know more about it than I do.

1204
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:18,190
So apparently it can be some sort of problem and, you know, note if, you know, for the planning board building inspector, whoever.

1205
01:34:24,780 --> 01:34:33,140
So we talked about sidewalks last time, and the county submitted their comments, and they were asking for comments.

1206
01:34:33,140 --> 01:34:38,900
they're asking for sidewalks, last time when it was raised, I think Tony, you went like

1207
01:34:38,900 --> 01:34:43,720
this because there's so many driveways you're saying, and so you'd have sidewalk going

1208
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:47,520
down the driveway, going up, down, etc. like that, right?

1209
01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:51,920
So you wouldn't have very long runs before they would be dropping down to the driveway.

1210
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:57,160
So the planning board, when we went there to get a recommendation on the rezoning, was all

1211
01:34:57,160 --> 01:34:57,940
over this topic.

1212
01:34:58,380 --> 01:35:11,840
and toll brothers have positions regarding the main ins of it, the liability of it, and so there will be something in the front of the site coming to the front of the site for the bus we can work all of that out, but they do not want to put sidewalks throughout the site.

1213
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:13,820
The planning board does not want to retell.

1214
01:35:13,980 --> 01:35:14,360
It's told us.

1215
01:35:14,940 --> 01:35:15,040
Right.

1216
01:35:15,900 --> 01:35:18,280
And the planning board's position on that was...

1217
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:19,240
They were willing to work with it.

1218
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:21,020
You know, we'll work it through it.

1219
01:35:22,580 --> 01:35:24,760
I mean, there might be certain places where it's really necessary.

1220
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,180
or any other clubhouse or something, where we'll put it.

1221
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:27,840
Let's stop.

1222
01:35:28,580 --> 01:35:28,820
Yeah.

1223
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,660
I think it's really a planning board site plan issue

1224
01:35:33,660 --> 01:35:36,160
that we'll work through and the balance Jose is also

1225
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:37,960
its additional and pervious surface.

1226
01:35:38,580 --> 01:35:40,700
So we need to balance that over the site.

1227
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,060
But it is, we know that the planning board had it as a comment

1228
01:35:45,060 --> 01:35:46,440
and we'll have to work through that with them.

1229
01:35:48,790 --> 01:35:51,070
Thank you, that's

1230
01:35:54,620 --> 01:35:55,160
enough on that.

1231
01:35:55,160 --> 01:36:17,340
So my concerns on this, in addition, are not, oh, actually the noise from the airport, I think the finding statement says that it will be disclosed, but the way it's been described as being disclosed is that it will be in the offering memorandum, right?

1232
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:20,320
rental agreements, and one other thing?

1233
01:36:23,070 --> 01:36:24,370
I believe that's green with the trail, yeah.

1234
01:36:26,710 --> 01:36:32,570
Okay, so is that prominent enough because when you have an offering statement, nobody reads

1235
01:36:32,570 --> 01:36:35,670
them except most lawyers probably won't even meet them.

1236
01:36:36,450 --> 01:36:43,430
So there were two sub-issues there is the disclosure going to be not only as to proximity to

1237
01:36:43,430 --> 01:36:46,610
the airport, but how there can be a lot of noise from it.

1238
01:36:46,610 --> 01:36:52,710
Obviously, as you said, the noise level won't be as bad inside the apartments, inside the town homes.

1239
01:36:53,070 --> 01:37:02,210
You've got special windows that will reduce it by 20 decibels, and it'll be down to 45 decibels, which Adam tells me is like a quiet office.

1240
01:37:02,790 --> 01:37:07,030
But the problem is, especially when you have town homes, you're going to have people who are going to want to be outside.

1241
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:15,410
So, I'm wondering whether we shouldn't have a little bit more strict disclosure than just a disclosure statement or

1242
01:37:15,410 --> 01:37:18,550
requirement that it be prominent and also with regard to the noise.

1243
01:37:19,790 --> 01:37:23,870
You know Jose, I just would like to add that this was months ago.

1244
01:37:24,210 --> 01:37:30,930
I made a point one morning to go over to the entrance of airport campus and my purpose

1245
01:37:30,930 --> 01:37:33,290
was I looked up the flights coming in.

1246
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:39,010
And so I was going to make a video with audio to share with the town board.

1247
01:37:39,010 --> 01:37:47,990
And what happened was every time a flight came in, it was drowned out by the traffic, all

1248
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:48,570
right?

1249
01:37:49,150 --> 01:37:51,410
And I couldn't, I couldn't believe it.

1250
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:53,150
And so it's in the findings.

1251
01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:58,570
And I said to Adam the other day, I said, you know, in the findings, they mentioned the traffic

1252
01:37:58,570 --> 01:38:05,350
on King Street actually is louder than the airplanes above.

1253
01:38:05,610 --> 01:38:06,790
And I said, it's true.

1254
01:38:06,790 --> 01:38:20,790
And I deleted the video because you could not hear the planes that I was, you know, I tried about three or four times and it wasn't as if it was, you know, people lying, you know, people going 100 miles an hour.

1255
01:38:20,910 --> 01:38:26,450
It was just a steady stream of traffic, both ways it was between 9 and 9.45 in the morning.

1256
01:38:27,210 --> 01:38:29,070
And I found it really incredible.

1257
01:38:29,070 --> 01:38:30,050
I'll keep perfect down this way.

1258
01:38:30,090 --> 01:38:30,190
Right.

1259
01:38:30,630 --> 01:38:32,270
But Barbara, that was on the road, right?

1260
01:38:33,490 --> 01:38:33,650
Yeah.

1261
01:38:33,790 --> 01:38:34,150
It was on the road.

1262
01:38:34,150 --> 01:38:34,330
Okay.

1263
01:38:34,410 --> 01:38:35,430
Because there's a berm there.

1264
01:38:35,690 --> 01:38:37,390
I think one of the purposes of that.

1265
01:38:37,510 --> 01:38:40,510
No, but I actually, I wouldn't, I mean, it was trespassing, but I actually wouldn't.

1266
01:38:42,090 --> 01:38:43,730
We're just Pete Simonson when we need him.

1267
01:38:45,990 --> 01:38:51,410
That was a strong comment in here that the U.I. offered at one of the prior hearings

1268
01:38:51,410 --> 01:38:56,370
that there would be acknowledgement in the offering plan that this is indeed near an airport.

1269
01:38:58,030 --> 01:39:00,510
So, I don't feel that we need to...

1270
01:39:00,510 --> 01:39:03,130
It's not just in the offering plan.

1271
01:39:03,330 --> 01:39:06,210
They've also committed that it'll be in all the rental agreements

1272
01:39:06,810 --> 01:39:08,490
in the contracting sale.

1273
01:39:09,430 --> 01:39:10,530
And people do read those.

1274
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:13,770
So I'm fine with that.

1275
01:39:13,930 --> 01:39:15,990
I'm just on a more of a kind of funny note.

1276
01:39:16,290 --> 01:39:17,650
I do have, I'm not going to bore you with them,

1277
01:39:17,650 --> 01:39:19,810
but I do have videos on my phone just from my house.

1278
01:39:20,550 --> 01:39:21,750
Many of you would know where I live,

1279
01:39:21,970 --> 01:39:25,610
and in many mornings it is 6.84, and it's fine.

1280
01:39:25,610 --> 01:39:30,890
but it sounds like a constant air traffic like plain noise and sometimes it's almost

1281
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:36,350
deafening but that's the reality that's just you know where we live but that's

1282
01:39:36,350 --> 01:39:40,570
kind of the problem so you were saying I think 684 is a problem I think it's an

1283
01:39:40,570 --> 01:39:44,570
asset to our town well there's noise a lot of people you can't you're not gonna

1284
01:39:44,570 --> 01:39:50,070
eliminate car noise from 684 I wasn't suggesting to do that but a lot of people

1285
01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:54,030
don't love it so you were saying they made a statement to what effect on that

1286
01:39:54,030 --> 01:39:54,630
Previously.

1287
01:39:56,070 --> 01:40:01,810
Tony, the last year and the one before that said that they were going to have acknowledgment.

1288
01:40:02,010 --> 01:40:05,630
Adolagement in the offering plan and roll and just clarify that not only that, but also

1289
01:40:05,630 --> 01:40:06,410
in other materials.

1290
01:40:06,730 --> 01:40:11,290
Constable, agreement and in the contract, so it's going to be an acknowledgment not just

1291
01:40:11,290 --> 01:40:11,970
disclosure.

1292
01:40:12,970 --> 01:40:15,310
It's going to be in the contract, the offering plan or the lease.

1293
01:40:15,670 --> 01:40:15,790
Right.

1294
01:40:15,870 --> 01:40:16,730
I'm asking a different question.

1295
01:40:17,130 --> 01:40:18,090
It will be an acknowledgment.

1296
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:19,270
Not just a disclosure.

1297
01:40:19,730 --> 01:40:20,610
It will sign the contract.

1298
01:40:21,090 --> 01:40:21,270
Right.

1299
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:27,610
Okay, but the offering statement doesn't, I mean, I'm just trying to clarify Tony.

1300
01:40:27,930 --> 01:40:36,230
So maybe just to clarify, I think Peter and I were just coming at this section 514A, last sentence,

1301
01:40:36,690 --> 01:40:39,770
to ensure that site residents are aware of their proximity to the airport.

1302
01:40:40,030 --> 01:40:44,590
The applicant shall place a notice in any rental agreement, offering plan, or contract for

1303
01:40:44,590 --> 01:40:48,690
any residential unit on the site, notifying prospective residents of the site's proximity

1304
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:51,390
I think that covers it.

1305
01:40:51,550 --> 01:40:52,770
And it's mentioned in the findings.

1306
01:40:52,970 --> 01:40:55,230
That is from the crisis.

1307
01:40:55,610 --> 01:40:56,990
Yeah, I was like, not again.

1308
01:40:57,370 --> 01:40:57,670
You know.

1309
01:40:59,470 --> 01:41:00,610
That covers it.

1310
01:41:01,550 --> 01:41:03,570
What rental agreements would there be for this?

1311
01:41:04,890 --> 01:41:06,370
The age restricted units,

1312
01:41:08,730 --> 01:41:09,730
the 50 apartments.

1313
01:41:11,390 --> 01:41:13,270
Those are rentals, okay?

1314
01:41:13,810 --> 01:41:15,090
I thought they were condos.

1315
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:18,310
I realized their tax is same, but I thought they were condos.

1316
01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:21,030
All right, so-

1317
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:25,610
You could be either, it could be a rental or kind of, but either way they're covered in either contract or at least.

1318
01:41:25,810 --> 01:41:26,730
Okay, thank you.

1319
01:41:29,870 --> 01:41:34,370
So this is, first of all, I think a lot of things you've done is great.

1320
01:41:34,730 --> 01:41:37,570
I've said that, or great, I've said that all along.

1321
01:41:38,850 --> 01:41:43,930
We've eliminated condo tax on the part that's not the repurposed office building.

1322
01:41:44,990 --> 01:41:49,830
What I think is really important, and I recognize that it's cost money to do it.

1323
01:41:50,370 --> 01:41:56,090
But you've taken steps now working with the NRGC, River Keeper, Westchester Land Trust.

1324
01:41:56,550 --> 01:42:01,170
So you're going to protect the water in New York City, and that's really important, because

1325
01:42:01,170 --> 01:42:03,770
we know that our residents really do care about good water.

1326
01:42:03,870 --> 01:42:08,430
We've seen it in Windmill, and there are protections there for that.

1327
01:42:08,430 --> 01:42:10,750
That the

1328
01:42:13,020 --> 01:42:16,800
full tax on the townhomes is a good thing.

1329
01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:22,920
Now we're going to be extra sure that there will be more age targeting on it.

1330
01:42:24,460 --> 01:42:30,020
The basic problems I still have are relating to density.

1331
01:42:31,380 --> 01:42:33,720
And I've raised these a number of times, sorry, my voice is going.

1332
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:35,960
So

1333
01:42:40,540 --> 01:43:01,560
I'm really concerned on this area, you've got a zoning that is what is designed for what was designed with downtown Ormok, where you want to have, even though people with disagree in terms of marionning in a lot of cases, it's supposed to be more dense to be in a more downtown area.

1334
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,380
I don't think that applies here.

1335
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,820
I think it really will be too dense for the neighborhood.

1336
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:12,960
I think you're going to get your approval on that anyway, so I won't pursue that more, but it really is a problem.

1337
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:19,080
I think the traffic and the parking problems will be exacerbated.

1338
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:25,460
I think baseline has to be looked at in a different way because it looks at and correct me.

1339
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:30,280
If I'm wrong on this, it's the no bill situation with the existing office buildings as if they're occupied.

1340
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:42,840
and we have, right now, it's proposed to be 248 units, 73 of which would be single-family homes right off King Street between MBIA and town.

1341
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:47,860
So I think we are really looking at a lot more crowdedness, a lot more density.

1342
01:43:48,500 --> 01:43:54,060
So the density bothers me in terms of what it's going to do to the town in my view,

1343
01:43:54,060 --> 01:44:00,340
And also being out of character for what the town generally has, having it to that development.

1344
01:44:00,820 --> 01:44:02,800
But like I said, that point's been made.

1345
01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:07,440
I'm just making it more clearly now, or repeating it, because I think you're going to get the votes for this.

1346
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:14,560
In terms of the finding statements, Adam, whoever else worked on it with you did an absolutely great job.

1347
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:18,360
There are some issues there that I have.

1348
01:44:18,860 --> 01:44:21,780
Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to change anything either.

1349
01:44:21,780 --> 01:44:26,540
And I think we need to come up with a different system that is fully transparent to the public

1350
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:31,340
instead of having a drafting session and something like this because that could take a lot of extra time.

1351
01:44:32,700 --> 01:44:40,220
I am in support of the repurposed office building and I would vote for that.

1352
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:46,160
Noting that you're getting a bit extra density on it, but I like that it's repurposed, which environmentally is a good thing.

1353
01:44:47,100 --> 01:44:59,580
I also like that it's going to be age restricted and a type of housing that I think is appropriate for some seniors and I really want to help keep our seniors in town and hopefully a lot of this will work for that.

1354
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,840
The problem we have here in terms of that is the resolution just talks about the zoning for both of them combined. So, unless I hear any of the comments, I would vote in support of the zoning for the repurposed office building. I don't know if people care to change the resolution. I don't think you need my vote, but I would not vote for the 125 town homes for the reasons I've said now and previously. I don't know if it matters anyone to break it out.

1355
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:39,060
But that's where I come out on this, and I do recognize the positives are really good even though there are a good number of issues.

1356
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:49,740
Thanks Jose, so I'll provide some closing comments and then the work and decide to take action or not.

1357
01:45:51,260 --> 01:45:58,140
So from a process standpoint, there was some comments that were made about how

1358
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:02,340
we review plans,

1359
01:46:02,340 --> 01:46:08,660
projects, how we approve, et cetera, and Bob, I agree with you that people are engaged.

1360
01:46:09,670 --> 01:46:15,260
This project we've had 29 public meetings and 10 hearings, so I'm not blaming people

1361
01:46:15,260 --> 01:46:21,480
for not being engaged, but we publicize as best we can, and then it's up to people to

1362
01:46:21,480 --> 01:46:22,100
participate.

1363
01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:29,400
No, and I'm not blaming you either, but I'm just stating a fact that we've had numerous

1364
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:36,480
meetings, public meetings on this, and so we are thorough. I've been part of many development

1365
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:40,620
projects in this town and we're thorough on all of them. Secret makes us be thorough.

1366
01:46:41,180 --> 01:46:45,600
Doesn't mean everybody agrees with our decisions, but we make sure that in the end,

1367
01:46:45,740 --> 01:46:50,620
our job is to make a decision based on what we think is in the best interest of the community,

1368
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:56,660
and we look at all aspects. We look at taxes, we look at our tax base, we look at our budget,

1369
01:46:56,660 --> 01:47:00,980
We look at finances, we look at some of the things Barbara mentioned earlier, things that Matt mentioned earlier.

1370
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:07,140
It all gets put into a pot, and then we determine what is in the best interest of the community.

1371
01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:11,780
We've studied parking in this town, we've studied traffic in this town, we're adding more parking in downtown.

1372
01:47:12,380 --> 01:47:16,760
We've talked to any shopkeeper in town, they want more residents, they want more shoppers, they're hanging on.

1373
01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:26,140
So to me, this project took a long time to get here and improved over time because the original was much larger.

1374
01:47:26,140 --> 01:47:31,060
I had a hotel, had 170 units, and an apartment building that was way too tall,

1375
01:47:31,220 --> 01:47:34,680
plus 22 town homes, that's all gone.

1376
01:47:34,820 --> 01:47:39,560
This is a much better project, and I want to give the applicants credit just on stamina.

1377
01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:43,420
I remember first meeting I had with Steve Wise many, many years ago.

1378
01:47:43,540 --> 01:47:50,980
And I'm not saying the town did anything to delay this because they work really hard to market their property as office.

1379
01:47:50,980 --> 01:48:05,980
I remember going there to a showing, just to represent the town, and showing prospective brokers and business owners that the town was in support of what you were doing there, which was trying to market that is office space.

1380
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:13,080
They took many years and a lot of money to get through that to determine the market's not there, and we need to shift gears a bit.

1381
01:48:13,080 --> 01:48:21,360
So, I appreciate the stamina and the willingness of the applicant to invest a lot of money to this point, because it takes a lot of money just to get to this point.

1382
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:32,240
And the way this project is structured now even with the changes that were agreed upon, I am in support of it and I appreciate the willingness to invest in the town.

1383
01:48:32,980 --> 01:48:37,340
And we hope you get in the ground as soon as you can once you start working with the planning board.

1384
01:48:37,900 --> 01:48:42,180
So with that, unless there's any other comments, I would ask for a motion to close the public hearing.

1385
01:48:42,180 --> 01:48:43,300
I'll make that motion.

1386
01:48:43,660 --> 01:48:44,180
I'll second.

1387
01:48:44,700 --> 01:48:45,140
All in favor?

1388
01:48:45,400 --> 01:48:45,560
Aye.

1389
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:51,760
And then I would ask for a motion to adopt the secret finding statement.

1390
01:48:52,100 --> 01:48:53,040
I'll make that motion.

1391
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:54,020
I'll second.

1392
01:48:54,380 --> 01:48:55,040
Do we need a roll call?

1393
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:56,100
Please.

1394
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:58,720
Roll call, Alison?

1395
01:48:58,980 --> 01:48:59,140
Yes.

1396
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:00,680
Councilman, do you see anything?

1397
01:49:00,900 --> 01:49:01,160
Aye.

1398
01:49:02,060 --> 01:49:03,180
Councilman, do you see anything?

1399
01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:03,420
Aye.

1400
01:49:05,700 --> 01:49:05,840
Aye.

1401
01:49:09,120 --> 01:49:09,260
No.

1402
01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:11,680
Aye.

1403
01:49:12,500 --> 01:49:23,920
We need a motion to adopt the resolution to amend the zoning with the change that we discussed of how I'm even confused now.

1404
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:32,260
So I think we said half of the market rate, 50% of the market rate townhomes have to have minus the AFFH.

1405
01:49:32,460 --> 01:49:35,140
Yeah, obviously it gets you there, right?

1406
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:37,060
50% of the market rate townhomes.

1407
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:38,960
Yes, is that clear?

1408
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:47,720
So I need a motion to, for the, consider adoption of the resolution to amend the zoning to include a change of

1409
01:49:48,360 --> 01:49:52,680
50% of the market rate townhomes will have first floor masters.

1410
01:49:53,060 --> 01:49:54,100
I'll make that motion.

1411
01:49:54,900 --> 01:49:55,260
Second.

1412
01:49:56,060 --> 01:49:56,800
I need a roll call.

1413
01:49:57,780 --> 01:50:03,620
If it's just for that, or is it the, I'm sorry, this is to adopt the resolution to amend the zoning.

1414
01:50:03,980 --> 01:50:05,060
So I'm assuming you want a roll call.

1415
01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:05,320
Right.

1416
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:05,740
I will.

1417
01:50:06,140 --> 01:50:06,680
And roll call.

1418
01:50:13,660 --> 01:50:21,530
I would again vote for the repurpose building, but since it's combined, I'm going to vote now.

1419
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:23,900
Aye.

1420
01:50:25,340 --> 01:50:26,080
Thank you.

1421
01:50:26,620 --> 01:50:27,860
Thank you so much.

1422
01:50:28,140 --> 01:50:29,580
I won't say no, and I don't think.

1423
01:50:30,020 --> 01:50:30,600
Thank you.

1424
01:50:30,820 --> 01:50:31,520
Thank you.

1425
01:50:31,640 --> 01:50:32,400
Thank you.

1426
01:50:32,780 --> 01:50:33,100
Thank you.

1427
01:50:44,270 --> 01:50:47,070
Next item is approval of Town Board Minutes.

1428
01:50:48,730 --> 01:50:49,290
Motion?

1429
01:50:49,630 --> 01:50:50,410
I'll make that motion.

1430
01:50:51,830 --> 01:50:52,570
I'll second.

1431
01:50:52,870 --> 01:50:53,210
All favor.

1432
01:50:53,570 --> 01:50:53,810
Bye.

1433
01:50:54,370 --> 01:50:54,850
I'm.

1434
01:50:55,770 --> 01:50:56,730
You're miscellaneous.

1435
01:50:57,530 --> 01:51:02,290
Need a motion to receive a letter from residents regarding gas power leaf

1436
01:51:02,290 --> 01:51:04,370
blowers, data July 24, 2023.

1437
01:51:04,990 --> 01:51:05,690
I'll make that motion.

1438
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:08,250
I'll send somebody what I speak of.

1439
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:09,030
Okay.

1440
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:12,030
We just, we just, we've got to receive the letter first.

1441
01:51:12,590 --> 01:51:12,750
Okay.

1442
01:51:13,610 --> 01:51:16,170
So anybody here that wants to make comments on this?

1443
01:51:16,610 --> 01:51:17,550
Thank you, did right?

1444
01:51:17,690 --> 01:51:18,750
You can pick either microphone.

1445
01:51:18,750 --> 01:51:22,020
Let's just tell us who you are.

1446
01:51:24,380 --> 01:51:25,080
Okay, it's okay.

1447
01:51:25,380 --> 01:51:26,860
I'm really a big public speaker.

1448
01:51:26,980 --> 01:51:27,560
My name is Alex.

1449
01:51:27,780 --> 01:51:28,760
I live right in town.

1450
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:31,920
I've been in a long time volunteer fireman.

1451
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:33,060
I like this community.

1452
01:51:33,420 --> 01:51:36,500
That's why I chose to protect it, I guess.

1453
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:41,640
And how can I say it?

1454
01:51:41,740 --> 01:51:44,300
So I feel like over the last few years,

1455
01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:47,740
a lot of people have been emboldened and empowered

1456
01:51:47,740 --> 01:51:50,840
to police everybody around them.

1457
01:51:51,380 --> 01:51:52,400
What they wear on their face,

1458
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:56,080
at least what they inject into their body and other things, right?

1459
01:51:56,540 --> 01:52:00,260
What kind of car you can drive, what you should eat, this and that, and the name of climate

1460
01:52:00,260 --> 01:52:06,060
change, stuff like that, this leaf blow, this leaf blow issue being one of them, right?

1461
01:52:08,020 --> 01:52:12,700
To me, that seems very problematic, and I'm speaking up for a lot of people that couldn't

1462
01:52:12,700 --> 01:52:18,420
make it here because, number one, from a small business owner standpoint, the alternatives

1463
01:52:18,420 --> 01:52:42,000
the gas-powered belief blowers, or anything that's powered by fossil fuels, is extremely expensive, inefficient, and if you want to talk about the impact, the deleterious impact, the climate, you know, you have to, you have to mind these rare minerals, you have to do all this other stuff, plus it's people that are essentially slave labor, because a lot of this stuff comes from Africa, cobalt, stuff like that.

1464
01:52:42,940 --> 01:52:50,940
So, you know, there's climate hysteria that followed all the hysteria with the pandemic.

1465
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,620
And, you know, it seems to all come from the same place.

1466
01:52:56,060 --> 01:53:02,320
And unfortunately, people that seem to be supporting this stuff, they feel they are the

1467
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,220
arbiters of truth, of what is good.

1468
01:53:05,420 --> 01:53:10,220
You know, you're a good citizen if you do this, you're a good citizen if you do that.

1469
01:53:10,620 --> 01:53:16,920
And you're not a good citizen if you do this and that, you know what I mean, it's kind of creeping totalitarianism.

1470
01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:20,980
It's like latent tyranny, these people are just like waiting, you know what I'm saying?

1471
01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:28,520
Maybe it comes from a good, it comes from, you know, well, it's well-intentioned, but, you know,

1472
01:53:28,580 --> 01:53:31,640
the road to hell is paved with, you know, the same.

1473
01:53:33,460 --> 01:53:39,460
So, that's from a small business standpoint, right, trying to find alternatives to these things.

1474
01:53:39,460 --> 01:53:43,640
And if everybody does this, that's going to increase the cost of everything.

1475
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:47,000
All these people like their pristine lawns, everybody likes a nice lawn, right?

1476
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:51,380
All these services are going to be costing a lot more, right?

1477
01:53:51,980 --> 01:53:59,620
No matter what anybody says, right, the electric, the electric alternatives are out there.

1478
01:53:59,820 --> 01:54:01,300
They do not go the distance.

1479
01:54:01,580 --> 01:54:09,060
They don't have the power and they, you know what I mean, they require their energy intensive to procure the materials

1480
01:54:09,060 --> 01:54:14,300
to make them. So, whether you're looking at it from a cost standpoint or climate,

1481
01:54:14,560 --> 01:54:20,660
whatever, you know, climate standpoint, it's, it's all, it's, I'm sorry, I, you know,

1482
01:54:20,660 --> 01:54:25,060
I'm not used to this, I'm not used to talking to a whole point. To me, to me, it's just ridiculous,

1483
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:29,900
you know what I mean? It's absolutely ridiculous. And I'm a vegetarian. I've been a vegetarian

1484
01:54:29,900 --> 01:54:34,300
for a long time, right? And apparently that's climate friendly. I was doing it a long time ago

1485
01:54:34,300 --> 01:54:37,780
before it became a fad, but I will be with the meat eaters.

1486
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,040
You know what I mean? If there's, if it comes down to a fight,

1487
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:44,000
they're taking away people's meat. I will be with the meat eaters.

1488
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:47,480
I will be on the side of freedom every single time.

1489
01:54:47,900 --> 01:54:51,200
You know what I mean? Like that, maybe it doesn't make sense.

1490
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:54,960
But you know what I mean? Like, I've read a lot of texts

1491
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:59,560
by very powerful people to know that there is an agenda.

1492
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:12,900
And, you know, through the media and through NGOs and through all these various think tanks and whatnot, a lot of these ideas, they are proliferated into our society.

1493
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:21,100
And, you know, they've somehow, they've garnered all this support.

1494
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:26,680
These people told us that we're going to be on ice age in the 1970s.

1495
01:55:26,700 --> 01:55:30,300
They used Leonard Nimoy as a marketing tool.

1496
01:55:31,120 --> 01:55:35,640
They told us that England and the Maldives will be gone by 2000.

1497
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:36,440
They'll be underwater.

1498
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:41,640
I'm sure a lot of people in this town have been to the Maldives after the year 2000 and

1499
01:55:41,640 --> 01:55:43,160
England, and they're doing just fine.

1500
01:55:43,720 --> 01:55:44,000
You know what I mean?

1501
01:55:44,180 --> 01:55:49,940
So this alarmist client nonsense, and using, they use the, they use the New York Times

1502
01:55:49,940 --> 01:55:50,260
headline.

1503
01:55:50,260 --> 01:55:57,280
And I noise, how noise takes off years of, takes years off your life.

1504
01:55:57,960 --> 01:56:01,500
Being, I don't know how else to put this, so I'm going to try to be like diplomatic,

1505
01:56:03,320 --> 01:56:08,180
being an eggplant emoji to your neighbors, to catch my drift, right?

1506
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,700
The eggplant emoji, some people understand that, some people won't.

1507
01:56:13,060 --> 01:56:17,900
Just being, not being a good neighbor, policing your neighbors and fellow citizens,

1508
01:56:17,900 --> 01:56:20,840
since that's also, that also takes years off your life

1509
01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:24,160
because it's a lot of stress in yourself out

1510
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:26,560
because you're hopped up on this propaganda

1511
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,920
from whether it's Fox, CNBC, NPR, who cares,

1512
01:56:30,100 --> 01:56:31,300
it doesn't matter, right?

1513
01:56:32,180 --> 01:56:35,040
It's just, it's nonsense, you know what I mean?

1514
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:36,980
It's nonsense and while it might seem like

1515
01:56:36,980 --> 01:56:38,440
it's somewhere out there in academia,

1516
01:56:38,440 --> 01:56:39,720
it's not, it's gonna,

1517
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,600
so these people want to impact how other people live.

1518
01:56:43,020 --> 01:56:44,400
And like I said, whether it's what you eat,

1519
01:56:44,820 --> 01:56:45,760
what you drive, whatever,

1520
01:56:46,440 --> 01:56:47,440
We live in America.

1521
01:56:48,860 --> 01:56:50,040
I'm a refugee immigrant.

1522
01:56:50,280 --> 01:56:53,180
I came here from the Soviet Union because my country fell apart.

1523
01:56:54,220 --> 01:56:54,900
And you know what I mean?

1524
01:56:55,180 --> 01:56:59,420
It fell apart because it's a small group of tyrants thought that they were going to, you know,

1525
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:00,740
they're the end all to be all.

1526
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:01,920
You must have come to please everybody.

1527
01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:04,000
You must have come here young because you don't.

1528
01:57:04,020 --> 01:57:04,540
Yeah, I was.

1529
01:57:04,720 --> 01:57:04,800
Yeah.

1530
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:08,820
Can I ask a question?

1531
01:57:08,880 --> 01:57:10,120
I'm sorry, I don't mean to drop the newspaper.

1532
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:11,340
Can I ask a question?

1533
01:57:11,700 --> 01:57:11,820
Sure.

1534
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:14,860
You have a business that does landscaping.

1535
01:57:14,860 --> 01:57:16,160
I don't have a business.

1536
01:57:16,580 --> 01:57:18,640
But I'm standing up for a lot of people that-

1537
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:20,300
I just want to understand it.

1538
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:21,840
Yeah, no, no, I don't.

1539
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:26,400
I have looked into, I remember talking to a couple of people about how could impact

1540
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:26,920
your business.

1541
01:57:27,220 --> 01:57:33,180
So this is not practical in terms of how it could impact your business, but it's more

1542
01:57:33,180 --> 01:57:34,220
philosophical thing.

1543
01:57:34,700 --> 01:57:43,440
But it's, you know, I feel like it's, you can use it, or it's a, how do I say it?

1544
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:46,220
You can use it in every, in many situations.

1545
01:57:46,460 --> 01:57:48,500
It's applicable from a philosophical standpoint.

1546
01:57:48,800 --> 01:57:52,200
It's applicable from a practical financial standpoint.

1547
01:57:53,380 --> 01:57:58,440
And just, and like I said, overall, you know, anybody, like I love the climate.

1548
01:57:58,800 --> 01:58:01,320
I mean, I like, I like the environment, I should say, not the climate.

1549
01:58:02,360 --> 01:58:06,420
I personally have adopted a section of 22 from the firehouse to the eagle

1550
01:58:06,420 --> 01:58:09,700
where I grab a few garbage bags and every once in a while I pick up trash.

1551
01:58:10,120 --> 01:58:10,480
Thank you.

1552
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:17,240
You know what I mean, like I just, if, you know, you see it all the time and if you don't pick it up, nobody else would know so we have townwide.

1553
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:18,980
So I can update the help sets, but it's great.

1554
01:58:19,200 --> 01:58:20,340
Absolutely. I see it on point basis.

1555
01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:30,240
So I do care about the environment, but I don't think that we should be, I don't think that people need to get all crazy over

1556
01:58:30,860 --> 01:58:38,560
you listening to people that have been wrong time and time and time and time again. They've been absolutely wrong about pretty much everything.

1557
01:58:39,380 --> 01:58:45,500
All of their dire predictions came to pass, and using it as a cudgel to beat everybody

1558
01:58:45,500 --> 01:58:48,580
over the head, like you're good, you know, like today you've got to stand with Ukraine

1559
01:58:48,580 --> 01:58:52,040
or you've got to hashtag this, this, whatever, you know what I mean, if you don't support

1560
01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:58,020
these things, you're somehow, you're, you should stand back and be quiet, you know what I mean?

1561
01:58:58,080 --> 01:59:02,840
Unfortunately, you're right, things have gotten very polarized, I think, is a simple way

1562
01:59:02,840 --> 01:59:03,220
to put it.

1563
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:07,600
A big, big reason is the media, unfortunately, you, you created, you know, they created

1564
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:16,140
And I agree with you that it's important to get along with your neighbors.

1565
01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:16,640
Absolutely.

1566
01:59:16,820 --> 01:59:23,640
I've lived in my neighborhood for decades and it's turning over and I get along with my neighbors.

1567
01:59:24,040 --> 01:59:25,560
And I make an effort to do that.

1568
01:59:25,980 --> 01:59:26,340
Absolutely.

1569
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:28,140
Like I said, I love this community.

1570
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:33,860
It's the first community that's all for me, any kind of security, but stability.

1571
01:59:33,860 --> 01:59:39,600
Right, I've been through 11 schools before coming to buy them hills and I lived in nearly a dozen communities all over the world

1572
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:47,480
So cities, so you know what I mean? I just I think we can keep our town nice and polite and everything

1573
01:59:47,480 --> 01:59:52,900
And we don't have to involve these crazy policies, you know because some people think that they're going to save the world by

1574
01:59:53,460 --> 01:59:57,860
Following on so that's it. That's all. Thank you Alex appreciate your comments

1575
02:00:00,530 --> 02:00:04,990
Any other comments on this agenda item? No.

1576
02:00:08,110 --> 02:00:16,730
I'll second it. To receive. You want to make a second, Selene? I'll second. I made the motion. That's right. All in favor? All right.

1577
02:00:17,630 --> 02:00:21,330
The next item is receipt of Quarry Heights Potential Water Distribution System.

1578
02:00:23,170 --> 02:00:28,230
These ability study prepared by A.A. engineers dated July 19, 2023, south still here.

1579
02:00:29,610 --> 02:00:33,130
So motion to receive the, these ability study.

1580
02:00:33,210 --> 02:00:33,970
I'll make that motion.

1581
02:00:34,990 --> 02:00:35,370
I'll second.

1582
02:00:36,330 --> 02:00:36,990
On favor?

1583
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:37,470
Hi.

1584
02:00:39,740 --> 02:00:40,180
Hi.

1585
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:44,940
So I'll give you a little background this year aware of what we're trying to do here.

1586
02:00:48,860 --> 02:00:57,620
This is a very, I don't know if everybody got a chance to look through it, but it's very, very, very detailed report.

1587
02:00:58,220 --> 02:00:59,240
But that very understandable.

1588
02:00:59,240 --> 02:00:59,720
Very, very understandable.

1589
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:01,240
The fact that it's a factual construction.

1590
02:01:01,660 --> 02:01:10,000
I mean, it's very detailed of the area that we were focusing on.

1591
02:01:14,120 --> 02:01:19,660
And the biggest issue in the area is the rock.

1592
02:01:20,240 --> 02:01:30,780
And without a doubt, I mean there's a significant cost when it comes to laying this out to construct it due to the rock.

1593
02:01:31,720 --> 02:01:41,750
And it gave very detailed, what we did was, we did sections, the area last year that

1594
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:48,810
had temporary water that was provided by, was just to join with the hoses, that was

1595
02:01:48,810 --> 02:01:55,450
this area that came down William Street, down James, up around Starkey, and then they

1596
02:01:55,450 --> 02:01:59,990
tried to go down Old Orchard a little bit to pick up a few houses there, but that wasn't

1597
02:01:59,990 --> 02:02:01,750
really feasible for them.

1598
02:02:02,030 --> 02:02:08,850
So what we did, we looked at that whole thing to put an actual water system in construction.

1599
02:02:09,670 --> 02:02:16,030
And there are properties there currently that can connect to public water.

1600
02:02:16,690 --> 02:02:21,870
And they're in water district six and they're not including this because they have a water

1601
02:02:21,870 --> 02:02:23,290
tap in their front lawn right now.

1602
02:02:26,430 --> 02:02:34,950
The other two areas that weren't covered in the original thought was going down Old Orchard, down to Rocky ledge to pick up those houses.

1603
02:02:35,250 --> 02:02:40,090
That's in here, and also Memorial Lane and Johnson Place, those are two dead ends.

1604
02:02:40,810 --> 02:02:49,610
So this scenario, this plan would require three interconnections to the Westchester water, joint water main,

1605
02:02:49,610 --> 02:03:02,110
which would require three master meter pits that we would be built from, then the water mains would be in the ground, and then individual service lines would be for the houses, and they would have meters.

1606
02:03:04,450 --> 02:03:15,530
At this point in time, I mean, this is great information, and you're aware the beginning of, I believe, in May.

1607
02:03:19,860 --> 02:03:29,440
the board received a letter about Westchester joint and their plans or concept of possibly

1608
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:38,820
doing this or doing part of this in lieu of their penalties that they have because

1609
02:03:38,820 --> 02:03:41,880
they're under consent order.

1610
02:03:41,880 --> 02:03:43,780
This is on the website, right?

1611
02:03:44,140 --> 02:03:44,960
Yeah, it's on the website.

1612
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:45,400
Yes.

1613
02:03:47,060 --> 02:03:52,200
I'll also have a, it'll be linked on our, on the water and sewer website too in a section,

1614
02:03:52,380 --> 02:03:53,640
just with the report.

1615
02:03:53,820 --> 02:03:57,920
But it's in the minutes, I mean in the agenda, you can link to it.

1616
02:03:58,740 --> 02:03:59,580
All that's it.

1617
02:04:00,300 --> 02:04:01,260
It's Roman numerals.

1618
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:01,760
The whole report.

1619
02:04:02,340 --> 02:04:03,100
Happy with the cost.

1620
02:04:03,260 --> 02:04:04,260
Everything, everything is there.

1621
02:04:07,460 --> 02:04:15,180
So, that particular concept by Westchester's joint still isn't out of the picture so we've been told.

1622
02:04:17,780 --> 02:04:25,720
They may get back to us by the end of the month because they're working out their legalities of how this can really...

1623
02:04:25,720 --> 02:04:32,480
I'm going to share this report with them because it'll be helpful for them to go to

1624
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:38,400
the authorities and say, look, this is what we need to expend in lieu of the penalties

1625
02:04:38,400 --> 02:04:39,800
and we're willing to do this.

1626
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:44,300
That would be a great thing if it happens.

1627
02:04:45,020 --> 02:04:49,680
But if it doesn't, then we have to go with Plan B. So I think once we find out for sure

1628
02:04:49,680 --> 02:04:55,960
from Westchester Joint, what their determination is with the authorities on their end.

1629
02:04:56,580 --> 02:05:10,260
And once we have a better idea whether that will or won't happen, we should then plan to, I would recommend that we plan to get the word out with the residents and we have, well, we did it when we did the source.

1630
02:05:10,420 --> 02:05:24,440
We used to meet in the community center north by planes when we built the source down there and we met with the residents and we explained everything that was going to happen or could happen, and we got their feedback because what would have to happen is we'd have to form a water district.

1631
02:05:24,440 --> 02:05:30,780
And that water district would be responsible for the cost to construct this.

1632
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:33,240
And it's not inexpensive because of the rock.

1633
02:05:34,520 --> 02:05:39,620
But we would attempt, and it would be part of whatever engineering we do.

1634
02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:43,980
And we've done it before in the process of doing it right now.

1635
02:05:44,080 --> 02:05:48,980
Last board meeting, you had an application for one of our projects for grant money.

1636
02:05:48,980 --> 02:05:55,520
So, and there could be significant funds out there for this project, but the remaining

1637
02:05:55,520 --> 02:05:59,700
portion has to be split up in a way, everybody's going to have that cost.

1638
02:06:00,420 --> 02:06:04,600
And just, we would just make a bond, sure, a bond, and it would be good to go, how,

1639
02:06:04,780 --> 02:06:05,940
could we go more than 30?

1640
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:10,940
We can go 40, we can go, we can go, we looked at 40 when we were looking at North White

1641
02:06:10,940 --> 02:06:11,320
Plains.

1642
02:06:11,320 --> 02:06:14,480
Yeah, but it just rates higher, it's maybe the less desire.

1643
02:06:14,580 --> 02:06:17,440
Right, we looked at a couple of different concepts.

1644
02:06:17,880 --> 02:06:23,260
Yeah, but we know we could probably get some grant money.

1645
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:29,900
I'm saying a great number would be maybe 60% of the cost is $4.5 million this project.

1646
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:37,660
So it's, we're keeping an eye on it, so we're going to get grants for 60% of it.

1647
02:06:37,660 --> 02:06:45,160
We could possibly see that much because there's different there's different grant opportunities out there for this type of a

1648
02:06:45,160 --> 02:06:57,340
Project yeah because they're definitely a need of a public order supply. Yeah, there's I mean there's no alternative aside from this right right so right so it mean it it would be it would be it would be a

1649
02:06:58,040 --> 02:07:03,620
An advantage in a in a grant application because of the situation. Yeah, it would be you know

1650
02:07:04,340 --> 02:07:06,100
Kind of moved up on a list, you know

1651
02:07:06,100 --> 02:07:11,540
there's a whole scoring process and a lot of these grants and you know that type of thing.

1652
02:07:11,780 --> 02:07:16,700
So but we would pursue everything possible to get as much funding as we could.

1653
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:21,380
And you would obviously use the investigations that are going on with the contaminant.

1654
02:07:21,420 --> 02:07:25,040
Could you, I'm sorry, could you just come up because people that are very interested in this,

1655
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:25,520
which they are?

1656
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:30,960
Nico Marina, sorry, you would also use the contaminated water investigations that have been going on

1657
02:07:30,960 --> 02:07:31,680
by all the different.

1658
02:07:31,680 --> 02:07:34,260
That's part of it. That's more of the need for why you need a pump.

1659
02:07:34,260 --> 02:07:36,760
Exactly, that's exactly right.

1660
02:07:37,120 --> 02:07:39,760
Now some of the other properties that I mentioned earlier

1661
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:43,240
that are in order district six that have connections,

1662
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,860
that you're going to see some work starting soon,

1663
02:07:46,420 --> 02:07:48,360
the state is going to come in and start connecting

1664
02:07:48,360 --> 02:07:48,940
with those folks.

1665
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:50,080
And now it's my two front neighbors.

1666
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:53,480
Yeah, because they have filtration systems

1667
02:07:53,480 --> 02:07:54,620
that state servicing.

1668
02:07:54,840 --> 02:07:56,960
They'd rather hook them up to the public water supply.

1669
02:07:58,020 --> 02:08:01,360
And we made them aware that when we had our PFAS meeting

1670
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,760
at the library earlier this year,

1671
02:08:03,760 --> 02:08:09,860
And we gave the list to the state and they've contacted Westchester Joint and the residents and they're working things out

1672
02:08:09,860 --> 02:08:15,380
They even have another subcontractor because what they're finding is they've got an issue at the rock. Yeah

1673
02:08:15,380 --> 02:08:21,560
It's a problem. No, I know I was actually the one that brought it to their attention to notify them

1674
02:08:21,560 --> 02:08:31,800
So this is great because so if I do the math right this is 45 homes right right about 45 homes right about 4.5 mill according to the estimates

1675
02:08:31,800 --> 02:08:33,880
That ends up being 100,000 at home.

1676
02:08:34,500 --> 02:08:37,880
You said, let's just join waterworks, might pay,

1677
02:08:38,700 --> 02:08:41,280
might be able to get grants, I'm guessing it could be.

1678
02:08:41,660 --> 02:08:43,320
What's just the joint waterworks to do,

1679
02:08:44,520 --> 02:08:49,080
their original plan was to put a water system in the area

1680
02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:51,200
that they put the temporary water system in last year,

1681
02:08:51,240 --> 02:08:52,520
which is a little smaller than this,

1682
02:08:52,940 --> 02:08:54,320
but maybe we could work with that.

1683
02:08:54,600 --> 02:08:54,900
That's what I'm saying.

1684
02:08:55,100 --> 02:08:57,260
So maybe you get that, maybe you get a grant,

1685
02:08:57,480 --> 02:08:58,820
maybe you get a combination of them.

1686
02:08:59,060 --> 02:09:01,500
Either way, we'd have to form a district there.

1687
02:09:01,500 --> 02:09:10,820
And then everybody would kind of eat, if we have to only build, let's say, 25% of this, if Westchester joint does three, and it's a big or if.

1688
02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:20,100
But if they do it, that's great, and if we only have to do as a district, 25% of it will still try to get grant money, whatever it can.

1689
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:28,620
And then if you are getting Westchester joint, what it works to do it because when my neighbor and I brought sewers into my neighborhood, some lines would run out there.

1690
02:09:28,620 --> 02:09:33,080
How would you work it would all 45 homes share in the remaining cost?

1691
02:09:33,180 --> 02:09:34,700
Yes, because they'd be in the district.

1692
02:09:35,000 --> 02:09:36,400
Okay, so it would all benefit from that.

1693
02:09:36,840 --> 02:09:37,720
It would be great.

1694
02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:40,920
And then let's assume you get the cost down to reasonable level.

1695
02:09:40,940 --> 02:09:43,900
It's a lot of money, but you bond it over certain number of years.

1696
02:09:44,480 --> 02:09:46,420
You know, maybe they get it down to 25 a house.

1697
02:09:46,620 --> 02:09:51,700
Then with the report also points out is each house will have to pay to connect on their own.

1698
02:09:51,900 --> 02:09:54,240
That's the other thing that's not in here.

1699
02:09:54,440 --> 02:09:57,480
Right, so what this is is building a water main system.

1700
02:09:57,480 --> 02:10:03,400
the water main grid distribution, and those interconnection vaults with the master

1701
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:08,760
meters for Westchester Joint and fire hydrants and water services and an attack in front

1702
02:10:08,760 --> 02:10:09,100
of lawn.

1703
02:10:09,700 --> 02:10:13,460
And the homeowner, like they did with the sewers, they had to connect and pay to connect

1704
02:10:13,460 --> 02:10:15,140
from the sewer into the house.

1705
02:10:15,140 --> 02:10:19,140
They'll have to connect from the curb stop into the house and the cost of the meter and

1706
02:10:19,140 --> 02:10:19,540
that type of thing.

1707
02:10:19,740 --> 02:10:24,000
And the problem with OECES, who are rather rock, it presents two problems.

1708
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,180
Number one, it's expensive.

1709
02:10:25,820 --> 02:10:27,400
Number two, it adds uncertainty.

1710
02:10:28,260 --> 02:10:29,480
You don't know what you're gonna have there

1711
02:10:29,480 --> 02:10:31,620
even in a relatively short stretch.

1712
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:31,960
Right.

1713
02:10:32,240 --> 02:10:34,800
But one thing people might consider

1714
02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:37,720
is when they're doing it, assuming they get that far,

1715
02:10:38,280 --> 02:10:40,360
joining together and kind of hedging the risk.

1716
02:10:40,880 --> 02:10:42,280
So everybody shares in total costs.

1717
02:10:42,480 --> 02:10:43,700
Some people might not want to do that.

1718
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:45,060
Some people might not want to do that.

1719
02:10:45,100 --> 02:10:46,660
And I thought it was very interesting in the report.

1720
02:10:47,500 --> 02:10:48,900
The two points were raised.

1721
02:10:49,000 --> 02:10:51,780
And one was that this bedrock is going to have

1722
02:10:51,780 --> 02:10:57,920
have to be taken off-site, they can't reuse it, and which as soon as I read this, and

1723
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:02,080
I had never thought about this before, there isn't really room for the staging.

1724
02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:03,140
The staging, yeah.

1725
02:11:03,300 --> 02:11:06,580
Before that, you know, where you're going to have materials, where you're going to have

1726
02:11:06,580 --> 02:11:10,380
your equipment, and so on, and so that's going to be possible.

1727
02:11:10,380 --> 02:11:15,320
There may be, though, we might be able to, I mean, there's areas that the town owns there,

1728
02:11:15,860 --> 02:11:21,720
a couple of lots, and there's other property that the county owns, and New York City also

1729
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:25,380
owns a big piece of property there. We might be able to get permission to, you know,

1730
02:11:25,660 --> 02:11:31,120
we'll cross that bridge when we got to. But it's a good point. It is a good point.

1731
02:11:31,240 --> 02:11:35,840
Because you're very limited in the space. Look, they're built in the order right now on New

1732
02:11:35,840 --> 02:11:40,560
King Street. Right. And they had to switch gears and they switched the operation to nighttime

1733
02:11:41,100 --> 02:11:43,980
because of the traffic, because of the limited space on the road.

1734
02:11:44,180 --> 02:11:49,320
The space shouldn't be a problem when they just built to hold the huge holding tanks

1735
02:11:49,320 --> 02:11:56,020
right down the street and then there's a vacant, rocky ledge lot that's not being used at all.

1736
02:11:56,040 --> 02:12:00,060
That's right. We could work something out with some somewhere. Yeah, that's the city of white planes.

1737
02:12:00,160 --> 02:12:04,420
My other question was so we would have to pay for the connection coming into our house.

1738
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:08,460
But right now there's a connection in mine two across the street neighbors.

1739
02:12:09,180 --> 02:12:11,660
They're not going to be paying for their connection into the house.

1740
02:12:11,660 --> 02:12:15,920
Right. Because the state's hooking them up because the state's paying to service their filters.

1741
02:12:17,300 --> 02:12:20,120
And our filters are getting service, too.

1742
02:12:20,500 --> 02:12:25,020
Okay, but I mean we got, you know, they paid for, we haven't gotten that for yet.

1743
02:12:25,060 --> 02:12:32,200
Right, but they paid for a whole filtration system, but there's no public water supply in

1744
02:12:32,200 --> 02:12:33,000
front of your house.

1745
02:12:33,620 --> 02:12:33,840
Right.

1746
02:12:34,260 --> 02:12:35,140
That's the difference.

1747
02:12:36,400 --> 02:12:37,600
There is one there.

1748
02:12:37,800 --> 02:12:44,460
You know, but before this all was going on, they were requiring my two across the street

1749
02:12:44,460 --> 02:12:48,680
neighbors to pay for the connection coming into the house, but then all of a sudden things

1750
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:51,120
changed and now they're not paying for it.

1751
02:12:51,200 --> 02:12:51,400
Right.

1752
02:12:53,240 --> 02:12:57,820
They have a poet system in the house like you do, but you have to have access to a water

1753
02:12:57,820 --> 02:12:57,980
system.

1754
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:58,840
It's the same thing with me.

1755
02:12:58,980 --> 02:13:03,360
I have a poet system because I have a PFA situation, but I have no water on my street.

1756
02:13:04,080 --> 02:13:06,560
So they can't connect me for free to anything, because there's nothing.

1757
02:13:06,620 --> 02:13:14,440
Originally before the PFA was in an issue, the residents that were there had to pay for

1758
02:13:14,440 --> 02:13:20,780
the option to hook up to that connection at their cost. But PFAS wasn't an issue then.

1759
02:13:20,820 --> 02:13:25,340
Then the state came in and tested their well and they found this PFAS and they put in a filter.

1760
02:13:25,500 --> 02:13:29,820
Now the state said, oh, there's a public water supply, we'll hook them up to that rather than

1761
02:13:29,820 --> 02:13:35,080
keep servicing the filters. That's the difference. So I always have a question when all the water's

1762
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:36,500
There's nothing fair, doesn't it?

1763
02:13:36,540 --> 02:13:38,060
And that's the only thing that's happening.

1764
02:13:38,120 --> 02:13:39,720
Huh? Is it me?

1765
02:13:39,940 --> 02:13:40,680
No, no, no.

1766
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:44,200
But no, the reason is, the reason is because the U.S. state

1767
02:13:44,200 --> 02:13:46,960
determined that it's cheaper for them to connect houses.

1768
02:13:46,960 --> 02:13:48,420
And I totally get that.

1769
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:51,720
And service that forever, because they're going to service it.

1770
02:13:51,980 --> 02:13:57,280
Right, so, but if we don't, if we don't agree to connect to it and pay that money,

1771
02:13:57,380 --> 02:14:00,840
then they're going to be servicing our poet system forever anyway.

1772
02:14:01,320 --> 02:14:03,660
But unless you have water to connect it.

1773
02:14:03,660 --> 02:14:06,720
You don't have an option right now because you don't have the pipe in this, you know.

1774
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:12,100
Yeah, but the people in front of me that had the pipe there had an option, they still

1775
02:14:12,100 --> 02:14:16,560
got the poet system and they were, they were still servicing it.

1776
02:14:16,780 --> 02:14:21,280
Now, all of a sudden, I said something at the last meeting about how the two investigations

1777
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:25,380
should come together and work together to get this done a little bit faster.

1778
02:14:25,580 --> 02:14:31,700
And that's when I found out that since the water lines there, the state should connect them

1779
02:14:31,700 --> 02:14:37,560
for free. So now I I reached out to them and they're getting connected for free. Okay.

1780
02:14:37,980 --> 02:14:47,140
Okay. And that that was that was after they already have poet systems in their their house

1781
02:14:47,140 --> 02:14:54,740
already. So if they build it in front of our house, we still have an option to do either or but

1782
02:14:54,740 --> 02:14:59,080
you could work out with the state at that time. No, I totally get it. The other thing I wanted to just

1783
02:14:59,080 --> 02:14:59,820
put on record.

1784
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:28,660
Is that the whole entire block of William Street, across the street, two neighbors, my next-door neighbor, me twice, and my neighbor on this side, all have changed their water filters in the past year. So I don't know if it's from the construction that went on with the two holding tanks and the ground was shaken up, but I did it twice in one year, a pump, water pump.

1785
02:15:28,660 --> 02:15:29,400
Oh, you're pumped.

1786
02:15:29,700 --> 02:15:29,960
You're pumped.

1787
02:15:30,440 --> 02:15:31,120
For my well.

1788
02:15:31,760 --> 02:15:32,320
So.

1789
02:15:32,540 --> 02:15:41,000
The grounds is either we're drowning and we're dredging up stuff because there's no water

1790
02:15:41,740 --> 02:15:46,560
or, you know, things are getting shaken up from everything that's going on up there.

1791
02:15:47,480 --> 02:15:49,180
So, Kat, you want to come up?

1792
02:15:53,940 --> 02:15:55,740
Yeah, Pam Grimaldi, I'm on Sturkey Road.

1793
02:15:56,640 --> 02:16:01,680
I'd read some correspondence about water works being fined by DOJ.

1794
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:08,740
To the tune of like three million and their proposal was to put that towards a water system.

1795
02:16:08,740 --> 02:16:11,700
In lieu of paying penalties, they're making a recommendation.

1796
02:16:12,500 --> 02:16:13,180
I don't know.

1797
02:16:13,240 --> 02:16:15,240
So would that three million offset the four and a half?

1798
02:16:15,780 --> 02:16:16,080
I'm sorry?

1799
02:16:16,520 --> 02:16:22,760
But would that three million, just the number I read, would that go toward the four and a half, you're saying it would be the cost?

1800
02:16:22,760 --> 02:16:23,280
What?

1801
02:16:23,280 --> 02:16:23,620
No, I don't know.

1802
02:16:23,780 --> 02:16:25,320
It's distributed evenly throughout the process.

1803
02:16:25,340 --> 02:16:25,700
No, no, no.

1804
02:16:25,780 --> 02:16:25,860
What?

1805
02:16:26,280 --> 02:16:29,440
I think their plan was to construct this.

1806
02:16:30,200 --> 02:16:36,760
And they pulled the number out saying they thought it would be $3 million based on the length

1807
02:16:36,760 --> 02:16:40,280
of pipe tubing that they ran last year with the hose.

1808
02:16:40,700 --> 02:16:44,780
So they just did some calculations and say, you know, if we built this and blew that in

1809
02:16:44,780 --> 02:16:50,900
healthy area, you know, maybe it would be a good thing and maybe they would approve

1810
02:16:50,900 --> 02:16:55,440
that in lieu of their penalties and they came up with that number. I've since

1811
02:16:55,440 --> 02:16:59,620
provided them with these numbers and they're going to use these numbers to go

1812
02:16:59,620 --> 02:17:04,840
back. So, you know, we'll see. You know, it'll it could be a really good thing if

1813
02:17:04,840 --> 02:17:08,720
that happens. And just I just was thinking it's kind of ironic that

1814
02:17:08,720 --> 02:17:12,900
Ken's go down was built from rock from our neighborhood so that New York City

1815
02:17:12,900 --> 02:17:17,160
can have all their water. But our community where most of the stone cutters lived

1816
02:17:17,160 --> 02:17:18,620
Don't get water.

1817
02:17:18,900 --> 02:17:21,660
That's exactly where the rock came from, from Censical Dan.

1818
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:23,460
That's water, water everywhere.

1819
02:17:23,620 --> 02:17:23,680
Yeah.

1820
02:17:24,940 --> 02:17:27,560
So, one question I was asking before this would be the last one, I think.

1821
02:17:27,560 --> 02:17:27,660
Sure.

1822
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:32,860
One thing I was wonder, it's great to have public water in a lot of ways.

1823
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:34,140
How expensive is it?

1824
02:17:35,200 --> 02:17:41,840
Well, their rate, roughly, they would probably end up paying Westchester joint probably.

1825
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:47,500
Probably, I think their wholesale rate is something like $3,200 per million.

1826
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:49,480
What's that translate to further?

1827
02:17:49,480 --> 02:17:53,800
$3,020 per thousand to us, but then we would have operating costs on time.

1828
02:17:53,860 --> 02:17:55,740
What's the average bill going to be a month?

1829
02:17:56,600 --> 02:17:57,960
Depends on how much they use.

1830
02:17:58,160 --> 02:17:59,020
It does very rough range.

1831
02:17:59,480 --> 02:18:00,800
You know, we have all different rates.

1832
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:02,660
20, 100, 200.

1833
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:04,540
Well, we bill quarterly.

1834
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:11,060
You know, you figure if it's 100 gallons a day per person in a house, it depends how many people are in the house.

1835
02:18:11,060 --> 02:18:13,920
They use $30,000 a quarter, what could it be?

1836
02:18:14,020 --> 02:18:19,160
$90, $95, maybe $120 a quarter or something like that.

1837
02:18:19,260 --> 02:18:20,860
All right, so not break the bank money.

1838
02:18:21,180 --> 02:18:23,340
Yeah, and by the way, thank you report was great,

1839
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:26,160
very detailed and actually incredibly easy to process.

1840
02:18:26,720 --> 02:18:28,760
Okay, we're working on it.

1841
02:18:28,780 --> 02:18:32,360
So we hope it's, you know, it's very important.

1842
02:18:32,780 --> 02:18:34,880
Yeah, but I don't know what we can do to advocate.

1843
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:39,340
But let us know we can do to advocate with regard to, you know,

1844
02:18:39,340 --> 02:18:44,500
having, you know, Westchester County joint water works if, you know, helping with the cost and

1845
02:18:44,500 --> 02:18:50,180
looting. We actually had a meeting with them, but last week before we were talking about the

1846
02:18:50,180 --> 02:18:55,680
possibility of if this happened again this summer what we could do, and that's when they mentioned

1847
02:18:55,680 --> 02:19:01,580
to us that they'll probably have an idea by the end of this month of where they're hoping they'll

1848
02:19:01,580 --> 02:19:07,560
have an idea and this might help them also. Of whether or not they can do this in lieu of the

1849
02:19:07,560 --> 02:19:10,300
You might go to this and say, look, this is a problem area.

1850
02:19:10,720 --> 02:19:12,340
Let us do this in lieu of the penalties.

1851
02:19:12,700 --> 02:19:13,720
It'll be a benefit.

1852
02:19:14,200 --> 02:19:14,880
It's a win-win.

1853
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:15,300
What are they?

1854
02:19:15,960 --> 02:19:17,600
You know, just throw any money out of the penalty.

1855
02:19:17,800 --> 02:19:18,640
That's their thought.

1856
02:19:18,820 --> 02:19:21,520
You're facilitating it by doing this report and studying.

1857
02:19:21,620 --> 02:19:22,900
And again, where there's such a dire need.

1858
02:19:23,060 --> 02:19:23,240
Sure.

1859
02:19:23,580 --> 02:19:29,640
It's really, I mean, I think that to say, do you want to pay a penalty versus provide water

1860
02:19:29,640 --> 02:19:33,600
to people who've needed this for a long, long time.

1861
02:19:33,920 --> 02:19:37,360
I mean, I remember when the sewers were going in and what it was like there with the

1862
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:46,000
with the rock. I mean, they had equipment. It was like a gigantic circular saw and it

1863
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:51,120
was it would go down the road and just chisel a groove and then they come down the other side

1864
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:56,360
and they made a channel and then they would just ship out the rock and move it. They had a solid

1865
02:19:56,360 --> 02:20:01,680
solid rock. I think we need to do. There's been running numbers. It's still expensive

1866
02:20:01,680 --> 02:20:07,020
to bear the costs of the two million over the course of a brand different

1867
02:20:07,020 --> 02:20:13,040
sure ten year 20 or 30 or 40 year and so I think one of the keys here is we

1868
02:20:13,040 --> 02:20:17,860
have to maximize we have to turn over every rock for a hundred and get more

1869
02:20:17,860 --> 02:20:22,720
money like you know the 60 percent we got to do what we did with the sewers I was on

1870
02:20:22,720 --> 02:20:27,660
the board right right first on the board when that all happened and we got

1871
02:20:27,660 --> 02:20:31,620
east of Hudson we got all these other groups to join and we pieced it all

1872
02:20:31,620 --> 02:20:36,900
together to get it done. And one thought I have is because every time I talked to our

1873
02:20:36,900 --> 02:20:41,320
new congressman here we said anything you guys need let me know. We may exhaust state

1874
02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:46,160
funding but maybe this federal funding and I'm going to reach out. I think that's mentioned

1875
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:51,240
to him. Here's what we got. It's not a big ask. You know what? With two million and we can

1876
02:20:51,240 --> 02:20:57,900
get two six or two five. Now we can take that monthly expense off your equation and then

1877
02:20:57,900 --> 02:21:02,100
And so we have to connect, but it's a lot different than carrying that out a lot.

1878
02:21:02,100 --> 02:21:05,200
And we could start to pursue that once we know what direction we're headed.

1879
02:21:05,720 --> 02:21:09,680
Once we know whether it was just a joint unit or out of it or whatever,

1880
02:21:10,020 --> 02:21:12,220
whatever may be, then we could start that process.

1881
02:21:12,640 --> 02:21:20,620
This report, I believe, is an asset because a lot of, as you're aware, a lot of those grant opportunities that we have.

1882
02:21:20,820 --> 02:21:27,400
You have to have the report ready to go, and this is pretty much saying,

1883
02:21:27,400 --> 02:21:28,860
I mean, this is what we're going to build, you know.

1884
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:29,860
You're not sure we're ready.

1885
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:33,040
Yeah, and I mean, it gives costs, so very well spent.

1886
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:35,440
This is very, very helpful for that process.

1887
02:21:35,860 --> 02:21:38,120
And a few months ago, we hired a grant writer.

1888
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:38,500
Yeah.

1889
02:21:38,600 --> 02:21:40,780
And Kevin, have you already talked to her?

1890
02:21:41,800 --> 02:21:44,420
This was one project that we had spoken to her about.

1891
02:21:44,500 --> 02:21:45,240
The initial meeting.

1892
02:21:45,340 --> 02:21:48,200
So is that our grant writer knows that this is a priority.

1893
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:50,540
And we let her know a lot of the projects

1894
02:21:50,540 --> 02:21:52,400
that are coming down the road, you know.

1895
02:21:52,400 --> 02:21:54,840
But I think we just have to do everything we can to say.

1896
02:21:54,960 --> 02:21:55,620
Congress will be all right.

1897
02:21:55,620 --> 02:22:00,900
So team effort, see where we get like we did, you know, it brought back the sewers and that was

1898
02:22:01,800 --> 02:22:07,680
Just piecing together money from here money from there money from there and the residents at the end because at the red

1899
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:10,420
They there wasn't enough and they had to get to buy the remember

1900
02:22:10,420 --> 02:22:15,840
Yeah, I just got on the board and we're not gonna doers getting people to sign to agree to

1901
02:22:17,000 --> 02:22:22,660
Participate in it. I think at the time there was still one house if I remember with with um an outhouse for something

1902
02:22:22,660 --> 02:22:23,180
That's right.

1903
02:22:23,580 --> 02:22:24,220
That's right.

1904
02:22:24,300 --> 02:22:25,360
People couldn't believe it.

1905
02:22:25,520 --> 02:22:26,660
It is.

1906
02:22:26,920 --> 02:22:28,920
But I remember not going on that door, like.

1907
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:29,940
Yeah, I don't know.

1908
02:22:30,220 --> 02:22:31,440
It wasn't out out there.

1909
02:22:31,960 --> 02:22:32,920
People didn't believe it.

1910
02:22:33,140 --> 02:22:34,140
I couldn't believe it either.

1911
02:22:34,380 --> 02:22:37,700
Anyway, we will, um, yeah, please come up and tell us who you are.

1912
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:40,180
Robert Pisa County lives on Johnson Place.

1913
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:45,580
So does the DEC have any, um, communication with you on the rest of the project?

1914
02:22:45,960 --> 02:22:47,560
On the waterside streets?

1915
02:22:47,560 --> 02:23:12,820
So, yeah, they're in the process, they communicated with Town Administrator last week on where they stand and what they're waiting for, they're actually waiting for some information from a subcontractor for some additional rock in tying in those other properties, but that's going to happen, they also met with Westchester joint to go over the actual connection points out in the street and wherever everything is.

1916
02:23:12,820 --> 02:23:14,360
Right, I know they were looking a lot of marks.

1917
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:16,260
I don't know if you know, you see all the marks on the right.

1918
02:23:16,260 --> 02:23:17,680
I spoke to them several times.

1919
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:18,940
Yeah, I was down there and I saw it.

1920
02:23:18,940 --> 02:23:20,040
Well, the marks, I said something.

1921
02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:22,520
They, they, well, they said that there was a pipe on Johnson Place.

1922
02:23:22,540 --> 02:23:24,140
And I told them that certainly wasn't.

1923
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:26,240
And I showed them that there wasn't one of the games.

1924
02:23:26,380 --> 02:23:29,100
But so I know they're going to do all the houses on old orchard.

1925
02:23:29,200 --> 02:23:33,340
But are they going to look at, appeared that they were going

1926
02:23:33,340 --> 02:23:33,940
to try to help.

1927
02:23:34,020 --> 02:23:37,180
So are they an avenue for grants to, to do, you know,

1928
02:23:37,340 --> 02:23:38,500
Johnson Memorial and down.

1929
02:23:38,840 --> 02:23:40,960
Well, Johnson Memorial is in this study, right?

1930
02:23:41,140 --> 02:23:41,900
That's in this study.

1931
02:23:41,900 --> 02:23:48,360
So they willing to take it all of that and once we get going once we know where we're headed with that at least we have a

1932
02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:54,700
Sort of a plan here, but are they are they are they an avenue for the money and they an avenue for the money are they willing to?

1933
02:23:55,060 --> 02:23:59,880
Oh, I don't they might they might work something out to connect people right?

1934
02:24:00,040 --> 02:24:05,100
You know say if I and I can't speak right I don't know because I'm sure they don't want to keep taking care of the public

1935
02:24:05,100 --> 02:24:10,620
We all have that happened right from every three months to change and you know second imagine how much it cost well

1936
02:24:10,620 --> 02:24:13,160
Well, that happened here right here in Ormock, right on Wampus Avenue.

1937
02:24:13,420 --> 02:24:13,500
Right.

1938
02:24:13,740 --> 02:24:17,460
There's a lot of people who had connections just like an old orchard right in their

1939
02:24:17,460 --> 02:24:21,620
lawn from our water supply and they never hooked up and a lot of people said, you know

1940
02:24:21,620 --> 02:24:21,800
what?

1941
02:24:22,040 --> 02:24:25,220
When my well goes bad, that's when I'll go to the expense of hooking in.

1942
02:24:25,880 --> 02:24:27,080
And a lot of them never did.

1943
02:24:27,220 --> 02:24:32,180
And then the state tested their well and they put their filter in and they said, oh, there's

1944
02:24:32,180 --> 02:24:33,060
a public water supply.

1945
02:24:33,060 --> 02:24:35,220
We're going to hook you up and they hooked up the whole street.

1946
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:40,260
I just feel that they should, if they're willing to, if they're, you know, hooking up the

1947
02:24:40,260 --> 02:24:48,680
How does it allow you to maintain these poet systems on the rest of the neighborhood that they should be contributing to this project?

1948
02:24:48,860 --> 02:24:51,640
If there's a system there, I can't speak to them.

1949
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:52,500
Hopefully they'll be there.

1950
02:24:52,500 --> 02:24:54,120
That would be reaching out to them.

1951
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:55,300
And it needs to be evolving.

1952
02:24:55,660 --> 02:24:55,840
That's good.

1953
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:56,160
That's good.

1954
02:24:56,300 --> 02:24:56,400
That's good.

1955
02:24:56,400 --> 02:24:56,420
That's good.

1956
02:24:56,440 --> 02:24:56,480
That's good.

1957
02:24:56,560 --> 02:24:56,680
That's good.

1958
02:24:56,900 --> 02:24:57,200
That's good.

1959
02:24:58,740 --> 02:24:59,140
That's good.

1960
02:25:00,960 --> 02:25:01,760
That's good.

1961
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:07,060
People that will eventually have access to like I never will they'll be never water on my street

1962
02:25:07,060 --> 02:25:10,960
And I'm right off the main street, but you have sewer now, right? Yeah, I didn't connect though

1963
02:25:10,960 --> 02:25:17,360
But we have sewer, but we'll never have water on our street. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thank you, so okay

1964
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:22,180
Okay, thank you. Thank you. Any else on this any comments? Okay, thanks for coming

1965
02:25:23,700 --> 02:25:24,880
For this topic

1966
02:25:26,740 --> 02:25:27,580
Oh, okay

1967
02:25:27,580 --> 02:25:28,880
We've got to sit tight then.

1968
02:25:29,840 --> 02:25:30,640
Thank you.

1969
02:25:30,980 --> 02:25:31,380
Thank you.

1970
02:25:31,420 --> 02:25:32,380
Thank you.

1971
02:25:32,860 --> 02:25:34,620
And so you've got the next one too, right?

1972
02:25:35,260 --> 02:25:35,460
Yeah.

1973
02:25:35,980 --> 02:25:36,740
I've got another one.

1974
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:38,640
What item are you here for, Ron?

1975
02:25:39,400 --> 02:25:41,260
I just wanted to comment on it.

1976
02:25:41,260 --> 02:25:41,560
I think it.

1977
02:25:42,060 --> 02:25:42,420
Thank you.

1978
02:25:43,400 --> 02:25:46,560
You know, I have meetings with bullets and building.

1979
02:25:47,560 --> 02:25:49,460
And people don't know about it.

1980
02:25:50,260 --> 02:25:51,660
You should come up, actually, can you?

1981
02:25:52,500 --> 02:25:53,060
Why don't you?

1982
02:25:53,160 --> 02:25:55,180
I should have the only one here if it's okay, Ron.

1983
02:25:55,360 --> 02:25:55,680
Of course.

1984
02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:56,500
Of course.

1985
02:25:56,500 --> 02:25:58,340
because we got a long agenda left.

1986
02:25:58,680 --> 02:26:00,060
Sorry, I'll just make it quick.

1987
02:26:01,440 --> 02:26:04,080
A lot of people are lazy, they don't go to the website,

1988
02:26:04,380 --> 02:26:05,720
they don't know what's going on.

1989
02:26:06,220 --> 02:26:09,860
They hear millions of houses are going to be built, blah, blah, blah.

1990
02:26:10,140 --> 02:26:14,840
And it all gets, and my point is, I remember once, Michael,

1991
02:26:15,000 --> 02:26:18,540
that you came to town, and I forgot what the subject was,

1992
02:26:18,940 --> 02:26:22,460
was just a sort of educate people in terms of what's going on.

1993
02:26:22,820 --> 02:26:25,580
And if I could do anything to help you relative to that,

1994
02:26:25,580 --> 02:26:30,500
Like on a Saturday or Sunday, here's an information thing so people don't have the

1995
02:26:30,500 --> 02:26:35,380
wrong ideas about what's going on because all of you are very diligent in terms of

1996
02:26:35,380 --> 02:26:39,780
you know being sensitive to you know the building and oh are they going to be

1997
02:26:39,780 --> 02:26:44,400
doing too much or all this kind of stuff so all I'm saying is I'm happy to

1998
02:26:44,400 --> 02:26:48,760
volunteer in some way if you want to do something like that I think it's important

1999
02:26:48,760 --> 02:26:54,280
because people are lazy and then people say things that without any facts so if

2000
02:26:54,280 --> 02:26:59,840
There was a fact book of what's going on and why we're doing it and how we're attacking it, et cetera, et cetera.

2001
02:27:00,340 --> 02:27:03,240
I think it would be helpful and get more of the word out.

2002
02:27:03,500 --> 02:27:04,500
Right. Thanks for the offer.

2003
02:27:04,780 --> 02:27:09,000
So just a quick comment on that because we always talk about communications and informing the public.

2004
02:27:10,860 --> 02:27:18,400
And Selim's been our liaison with the Tech Task Force, which will become a committee, which is involved in communications.

2005
02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:20,860
The clerk's office does an excellent job of communicating.

2006
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:30,740
We have to always be careful that we don't oversaturate because then people say, oh my gosh, I got an email a day from a town and they don't pay attention to it.

2007
02:27:30,760 --> 02:27:32,140
So that's where we have to be very careful.

2008
02:27:32,620 --> 02:27:42,110
The easiest thing, I had this conversation with, I want to reveal too much information, but I was at a doctor's office and he happened to live in town.

2009
02:27:42,110 --> 02:27:46,230
And you're complaining about something I solve this problem, but do you get the town

2010
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:46,490
emails?

2011
02:27:46,750 --> 02:27:46,830
No.

2012
02:27:47,070 --> 02:27:51,950
Well, everybody needs to get the town emails, because every two weeks, you'll get an email

2013
02:27:51,950 --> 02:27:56,190
from the town clerk with the notice for the meeting, with the link.

2014
02:27:56,410 --> 02:27:58,830
You can click on the agenda and see what topics were like.

2015
02:27:58,830 --> 02:28:00,370
This gentleman came for the leaf blower.

2016
02:28:00,590 --> 02:28:06,530
So there needs to be some rebonds to responsibility in coming upon residents, but we need to balance

2017
02:28:06,530 --> 02:28:11,290
that with information going back out and just not oversatch the rate of what we do.

2018
02:28:13,410 --> 02:28:18,030
And I agree, there needs to be, people are, if they're very interested, they'll come

2019
02:28:18,030 --> 02:28:21,890
or attend and participate, but we need to find that right balance in making sure we're

2020
02:28:21,890 --> 02:28:26,670
pushing out of them for information in all segments, social media, email, TV, all that,

2021
02:28:27,250 --> 02:28:31,190
and not making it so much where they say, oh, it's another one, I'm not going to read it.

2022
02:28:31,330 --> 02:28:32,630
Yeah, I'm just concerned about this.

2023
02:28:32,830 --> 02:28:33,170
I appreciate your offer.

2024
02:28:33,430 --> 02:28:35,330
I'm concerned about misinformation.

2025
02:28:36,330 --> 02:28:40,790
You all are doing a really terrific job and people need to understand that.

2026
02:28:40,790 --> 02:28:46,050
And so, as I said, I remember you once came orders on month square, whatever.

2027
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:49,110
And Marianne, I did two Saturday morning things here.

2028
02:28:49,190 --> 02:28:54,510
And I think that's really helpful because that sort of wakes people up and gives them a better

2029
02:28:54,510 --> 02:28:58,810
feeling about what the town is doing and instead of having misinformation.

2030
02:28:59,490 --> 02:29:05,470
And that actually was born out of bad information that was posted on social media saying I was

2031
02:29:05,470 --> 02:29:08,850
in all kinds of crooked things and I said, you know, I don't really follow social media

2032
02:29:08,850 --> 02:29:14,250
But I mean, I'm going to have some meetings and everybody has a concern come out talk so that was that was born out of that

2033
02:29:14,250 --> 02:29:19,010
Well, anyway, I'm happy to volunteer in in terms of how appreciate anyway. Thank you

2034
02:29:19,010 --> 02:29:21,010
Thank you. I'm seeing you in a while and Mike

2035
02:29:21,010 --> 02:29:22,990
So I agree with elder saturation

2036
02:29:23,410 --> 02:29:28,930
Maybe you could think of some sort of education effort for residents reminding them of the important things every year

2037
02:29:28,930 --> 02:29:33,570
Hey, sign up for this pay attention for this is how you find out. I'm going to give it's a good idea

2038
02:29:33,570 --> 02:29:38,750
And I'm going to give I'm sure he's watching at Loverman credit because he tells me all the time that we should do very

2039
02:29:38,850 --> 02:29:47,450
Every simple reminder is pick a thing or two and just weave it into what we do all the

2040
02:29:47,450 --> 02:29:48,530
time even if it's a meeting.

2041
02:29:50,110 --> 02:29:57,310
Just general things, so I agree with you and there's many ways to get information out and

2042
02:29:57,310 --> 02:29:57,710
it out.

2043
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,760
I just need to always try to improve it, which is a lot of what you've been working on. Okay, so we are up to what else do you have, Sal? The proposal from DMV engineers.

2044
02:30:12,950 --> 02:30:27,750
Consider a proposal from DV engineers and architects for the evaluation and basis of design report regarding the interconnection of what a district number eight airport campus extension to what a district number four and authorization for the supervisor to sign the agreement. Any comments or questions?

2045
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:33,290
So you've got, oh there it is, okay great, that's really good.

2046
02:30:35,310 --> 02:30:41,510
Just so everybody knows what this is, on the map you'll, you see, you know, as you're

2047
02:30:41,510 --> 02:30:47,410
aware, water main construction has begun on New King Street, it was out there yesterday,

2048
02:30:47,690 --> 02:30:53,290
they're about down in the vicinity of Safe Flight, they've come up Airport Road and they're

2049
02:30:53,290 --> 02:30:54,370
coming across.

2050
02:30:54,370 --> 02:31:01,070
So they're doing the work at night and that that water mains it's happening so

2051
02:31:01,070 --> 02:31:06,450
the plan for airport campus is they they've agreed to extend which they just

2052
02:31:06,450 --> 02:31:10,670
discussed again tonight. They're going to extend that water main from the end

2053
02:31:10,670 --> 02:31:16,350
of New King Street which is the red line on the map and they're going to bring it

2054
02:31:16,350 --> 02:31:19,910
across 6.84 up to the front of their site.

2055
02:31:23,590 --> 02:31:28,790
We've discussed with Westchester Joint, the original plan, the original study that

2056
02:31:28,790 --> 02:31:35,770
DNB did for us, the feasibility was that Westchester Joint wanted a water tank in the vicinity

2057
02:31:35,770 --> 02:31:41,710
of that entrance and we were looking at a million gallon tank to have enough volume to pump

2058
02:31:41,710 --> 02:31:43,830
in their off-peak hours.

2059
02:31:47,180 --> 02:31:53,780
Since then, Westchester joint is reconsidered and they have agreed to

2060
02:31:53,780 --> 02:31:59,480
allow us to put a pump station where that red line goes to purple. There will be a pumping

2061
02:31:59,480 --> 02:32:04,940
station there with a force main, so to speak, that will be dedicated to just filling a water

2062
02:32:04,940 --> 02:32:09,580
tank on the corner of Route 120 and Cooney Hill Road.

2063
02:32:10,300 --> 02:32:15,480
We're working with Swiss Re on that to get that water tank sighted there.

2064
02:32:16,420 --> 02:32:17,940
That does several things.

2065
02:32:18,460 --> 02:32:25,380
So that force main, that pump station will be there just to fill that tank as needed.

2066
02:32:26,780 --> 02:32:31,320
The Cooney Hill site where the million gallon tank will be, we're proposing a million gallon

2067
02:32:31,320 --> 02:32:31,720
tank.

2068
02:32:31,720 --> 02:32:34,060
We'll also have multiple benefits.

2069
02:32:34,340 --> 02:32:41,520
It's going to have a connection to come back out and maybe solve some of airport campuses

2070
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:46,020
pressure, because they need to build a pump station in a tank in their site.

2071
02:32:46,340 --> 02:32:47,560
They might not need that.

2072
02:32:47,700 --> 02:32:50,960
We're going to try to make this all happen, you know, at the same time.

2073
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:55,960
So they would have a connection there that would back feed to them.

2074
02:32:55,960 --> 02:33:04,680
and then we would build a pump station at that tank to go north on 120 and go into old post-road.

2075
02:33:04,920 --> 02:33:14,540
The extension of that purple line, the yellow line is the water main that exists on old post-road right now in front of the Totson Toddlers building.

2076
02:33:15,160 --> 02:33:22,160
So that's how we would get water from New King Street to service airport campus

2077
02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:34,020
And then have the ability to supply all of Armock into the, our existing distribution grid from that supply.

2078
02:33:34,080 --> 02:33:35,140
This is what it is for.

2079
02:33:35,840 --> 02:33:35,920
Right.

2080
02:33:36,300 --> 02:33:37,320
To feed water just for.

2081
02:33:37,620 --> 02:33:40,780
Now this report, this is just for a basis of design report.

2082
02:33:41,180 --> 02:33:50,480
In order for them to give us all the details that they would have to calculate all of these components and what it would take.

2083
02:33:50,480 --> 02:33:53,900
you know, what's going to take to build a tank at that site, you know, how much rock,

2084
02:33:54,160 --> 02:33:59,280
how much the, you know, environmental, whatever may be necessary, pump sizes, electric

2085
02:34:01,340 --> 02:34:05,260
service requirements, emergency generators, buildings that would be required.

2086
02:34:05,460 --> 02:34:10,200
They would, that, this basis of design would, would study all of that so they could have

2087
02:34:10,200 --> 02:34:13,660
a better handle on giving us a proposal for the actual design.

2088
02:34:14,180 --> 02:34:18,820
That's why in their, in their proposal, they should say to be determined because they

2089
02:34:18,820 --> 02:34:23,300
really can't get a grasp on any of those numbers yet it's just it's just not

2090
02:34:23,300 --> 02:34:27,600
there's not enough information yet but the concept is there the concept will

2091
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:32,440
work and it's just making it all happen. It's pretty exciting and it just seems

2092
02:34:32,440 --> 02:34:37,000
like I forget how many years ago where you talked about this concept and I

2093
02:34:37,000 --> 02:34:41,060
was thinking oh never gonna happen you know I mean you know what you know it's

2094
02:34:41,060 --> 02:34:45,320
funny when when I first heard that Westchester County was bringing water to

2095
02:34:45,320 --> 02:34:53,040
New King Street. This went through my head and I called Paul Cutsie and he said, yeah,

2096
02:34:53,320 --> 02:34:58,440
he goes, okay, let's take a ride. So he took a ride and he goes, yeah, you can do this.

2097
02:34:58,780 --> 02:35:02,700
He goes, do a study. You have the same engineer that's doing the work for the county.

2098
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:08,300
They have all the information. They had their pumping information. And that's the first report

2099
02:35:08,300 --> 02:35:14,140
we got for them a couple of years ago. So it's exciting. It'll be a great asset for the

2100
02:35:14,140 --> 02:35:18,000
for the community, and I would hope the board would approve this.

2101
02:35:18,960 --> 02:35:24,240
And we have the money for this portion of it in our budget.

2102
02:35:24,520 --> 02:35:26,020
So I'd like to make a motion.

2103
02:35:26,940 --> 02:35:27,300
Please do.

2104
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:33,160
I'll make a motion to approve the proposal from D&B engineers and

2105
02:35:33,160 --> 02:35:38,860
architects for the evaluation, the basis of the slide report regarding interconnection of

2106
02:35:38,860 --> 02:35:47,380
What a district number eight airport campus extension to water district number four and authorization for the supervisor signed the agreement and thank you, Sal.

2107
02:35:56,460 --> 02:36:02,960
Next item receded real estate appraisal from RDM valuation zinc for vacant land located on Alpine Drive.

2108
02:36:04,000 --> 02:36:14,300
This was Mary Beth Wellington, was the neighbor, and her friend Tony, can't remember his name, Tuscano, I think, came to offer $1,000.

2109
02:36:14,300 --> 02:36:16,760
We have the appraisal, so we need a motion to receive it.

2110
02:36:16,780 --> 02:36:17,480
I'll make that motion.

2111
02:36:17,840 --> 02:36:18,160
I'll second.

2112
02:36:18,500 --> 02:36:18,860
All in favor?

2113
02:36:19,060 --> 02:36:19,280
All right.

2114
02:36:20,840 --> 02:36:27,800
Next item, consider a word of bid to Graham Restoration Co, for the Trust Project at the North Castle Public Library,

2115
02:36:27,800 --> 02:36:30,000
very on-munk branch and authorization for the Supervisors

2116
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:30,700
to sign the agreement.

2117
02:36:30,940 --> 02:36:32,060
Kevin Olen, good order here.

2118
02:36:32,780 --> 02:36:33,260
Yes.

2119
02:36:34,980 --> 02:36:36,380
That's great to be going on this.

2120
02:36:36,580 --> 02:36:38,140
So remember looking at them with Rob,

2121
02:36:38,840 --> 02:36:39,900
good couple of years ago.

2122
02:36:40,580 --> 02:36:42,500
So it's really significant.

2123
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:45,040
Is there a motion to award the bid?

2124
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:46,060
I'll make that motion.

2125
02:36:46,480 --> 02:36:46,840
I'll second.

2126
02:36:47,140 --> 02:36:47,540
On favor.

2127
02:36:47,820 --> 02:36:47,920
Hi.

2128
02:36:48,780 --> 02:36:50,620
Consider recommendation from Keller's sessions

2129
02:36:50,620 --> 02:36:52,520
for a release of wetland mitigation bond

2130
02:36:52,520 --> 02:36:54,040
in five-year extension of maintenance

2131
02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:56,600
and monitoring bond through October 27th

2132
02:36:56,600 --> 02:36:57,980
regarding three-middle patent road,

2133
02:36:57,980 --> 02:37:00,600
with the Grave Project. Any comments or questions?

2134
02:37:00,900 --> 02:37:01,640
I'll make that motion.

2135
02:37:02,620 --> 02:37:02,960
On favor.

2136
02:37:03,180 --> 02:37:03,340
Hi.

2137
02:37:04,100 --> 02:37:06,260
Consider recommendation from Collode Sessions for Extension

2138
02:37:06,260 --> 02:37:10,520
of Wetland Mitigation Planting Bond and 5-year Extension of Maintenance and Monitoring Bond.

2139
02:37:10,920 --> 02:37:14,420
Regarding 45-Rollingham LLC, 45-Rollingham Drive.

2140
02:37:14,880 --> 02:37:15,600
Comments or questions?

2141
02:37:15,740 --> 02:37:16,400
I'll make that motion.

2142
02:37:17,440 --> 02:37:17,740
On favor.

2143
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:18,240
Hi.

2144
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:23,000
Consider recommendation from Collode Sessions for Extension of Wetland Mitigation Bond and 5-year

2145
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:24,760
Extension of Maintenance and Monitoring Bond.

2146
02:37:24,760 --> 02:37:27,480
We're going 20 banks for a row D. P. H. O. Project.

2147
02:37:28,100 --> 02:37:28,720
I'll make that motion.

2148
02:37:29,420 --> 02:37:29,760
I'll second.

2149
02:37:29,980 --> 02:37:30,260
On favor.

2150
02:37:30,460 --> 02:37:30,740
Hi.

2151
02:37:31,300 --> 02:37:33,650
Can you read the next one?

2152
02:37:33,770 --> 02:37:34,630
I lost my voice.

2153
02:37:35,870 --> 02:37:36,550
I'm going to wall again.

2154
02:37:37,830 --> 02:37:37,970
What?

2155
02:37:38,550 --> 02:37:39,050
I'm back.

2156
02:37:39,410 --> 02:37:39,610
Okay.

2157
02:37:39,770 --> 02:37:42,210
Received a donation to the Recreation and Parks Department.

2158
02:37:42,890 --> 02:37:46,610
For the Byron Hills Preschool Association to be used for programming for preschoolers.

2159
02:37:46,650 --> 02:37:49,130
And we thank them for that.

2160
02:37:49,490 --> 02:37:49,770
Absolutely.

2161
02:37:49,850 --> 02:37:50,310
I'll make that motion.

2162
02:37:50,310 --> 02:37:51,050
You get the recognition.

2163
02:37:52,010 --> 02:37:52,650
I'll second.

2164
02:37:52,830 --> 02:37:53,230
On favor.

2165
02:37:53,230 --> 02:37:53,530
Hi.

2166
02:37:54,410 --> 02:37:57,990
And then consider recommendation from colleagues sessions for release of wetland mitigation

2167
02:37:57,990 --> 02:38:02,750
bond in five-year extension of maintenance of monitoring bond regarding the Moderna Senior

2168
02:38:02,750 --> 02:38:04,890
Housing Project, Olmankosgorod, Armand.

2169
02:38:05,230 --> 02:38:05,990
I'll make that motion.

2170
02:38:06,450 --> 02:38:06,770
I'll second.

2171
02:38:07,130 --> 02:38:07,450
On favor?

2172
02:38:07,770 --> 02:38:07,990
Hi.

2173
02:38:09,530 --> 02:38:15,270
One agreement is consider authorization for the Supervisor Design CSA Unit 2, M-O-A regarding

2174
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:19,630
specific titles and having any data on this.

2175
02:38:20,090 --> 02:38:21,010
Thank you for the work on it.

2176
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:21,370
No.

2177
02:38:21,370 --> 02:38:25,710
Well, absolutely, this is this settle to deal with the grievance that we realized before.

2178
02:38:25,890 --> 02:38:27,390
We discussed an executive session.

2179
02:38:27,810 --> 02:38:32,210
It was something that we're working towards in the contract anyway.

2180
02:38:33,390 --> 02:38:33,650
Great.

2181
02:38:33,890 --> 02:38:34,570
I'll make that motion.

2182
02:38:35,510 --> 02:38:35,970
Third or second?

2183
02:38:36,230 --> 02:38:36,570
I'll second.

2184
02:38:36,890 --> 02:38:37,430
Good job, Kevin.

2185
02:38:37,650 --> 02:38:37,770
Hi.

2186
02:38:38,030 --> 02:38:38,670
Hi, personal.

2187
02:38:38,810 --> 02:38:42,730
We did a big, consider the probationary appointment of Ruth Bernie to the position of senior

2188
02:38:42,730 --> 02:38:47,970
office assistant office manager, Billing Department Effective September 5, 2023.

2189
02:38:48,490 --> 02:38:49,730
Well, definitely make that motion.

2190
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:50,370
I'm so happy.

2191
02:38:50,370 --> 02:38:50,530
Thank you.

2192
02:38:50,890 --> 02:38:51,670
Good news.

2193
02:38:52,310 --> 02:38:52,910
A second.

2194
02:38:53,050 --> 02:38:53,430
All in favor?

2195
02:38:53,610 --> 02:38:53,870
Aye.

2196
02:38:54,510 --> 02:38:55,050
That's great news.

2197
02:38:55,090 --> 02:38:58,950
Consider approval of terminal leave payment for James Mizzouca, police department.

2198
02:38:59,470 --> 02:39:00,850
Any comments or questions on that?

2199
02:39:01,010 --> 02:39:01,670
I'll make the motion.

2200
02:39:02,150 --> 02:39:02,470
A second.

2201
02:39:03,130 --> 02:39:03,650
All in favor?

2202
02:39:03,830 --> 02:39:04,110
Aye.

2203
02:39:04,430 --> 02:39:04,450
Aye.

2204
02:39:07,840 --> 02:39:08,000
D.

2205
02:39:09,420 --> 02:39:10,700
No, I'll just check something.

2206
02:39:11,800 --> 02:39:16,460
The D is consider approval for court-clark Nancy Hall and assistant court clerk Elizabeth Esposito.

2207
02:39:16,460 --> 02:39:20,500
We'll attend the New York State Association Magistrate Clerk's Conference in

2208
02:39:20,500 --> 02:39:24,360
Verona, New York from September 17 through the 20th, 2023.

2209
02:39:24,960 --> 02:39:25,760
In the comments or questions?

2210
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:26,740
I'll make that motion.

2211
02:39:27,780 --> 02:39:28,240
I'll second.

2212
02:39:28,380 --> 02:39:28,740
All right.

2213
02:39:28,880 --> 02:39:29,180
All right.

2214
02:39:29,340 --> 02:39:29,420
All right.

2215
02:39:29,920 --> 02:39:31,740
The motion to approve the consensus agenda.

2216
02:39:32,060 --> 02:39:32,780
We'll make that motion.

2217
02:39:33,360 --> 02:39:33,700
I'll second.

2218
02:39:34,100 --> 02:39:34,520
All right.

2219
02:39:34,740 --> 02:39:35,020
All right.

2220
02:39:35,260 --> 02:39:35,300
All right.

2221
02:39:36,480 --> 02:39:45,680
And before we close in memory of, enjoy the rest of your summers, the summer, we don't forget

2222
02:39:45,680 --> 02:39:50,500
We've got about the shredding machine on Friday.

2223
02:39:50,500 --> 02:39:55,140
I think it's just Alice and 10 to 1

2224
02:39:55,680 --> 02:39:58,800
and outside concert next Saturday.

2225
02:39:59,320 --> 02:40:01,640
And then it's in the town square.

2226
02:40:03,020 --> 02:40:04,320
Enjoy the rest of your summer.

2227
02:40:05,200 --> 02:40:08,640
And we'll close tonight's memory of Aaron Silver,

2228
02:40:09,160 --> 02:40:10,200
Northway Plains resident,

2229
02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:12,820
John McGraw and Armandt resident,

2230
02:40:13,640 --> 02:40:19,940
Antenino, De Carlo, father of Franco, many of you know Olens Gavi, restaurant, and Joe

2231
02:40:19,940 --> 02:40:24,780
Dibernatus resident Normank, and I had dedicated his meeting to Joe.

2232
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:31,000
He was a good friend, it's not common you make friends at my age with people that are

2233
02:40:31,000 --> 02:40:38,040
in their 90s, and he was just such a terrific person, and his wife Mary Joe, her hearts

2234
02:40:38,040 --> 02:40:41,400
go out to her and thought some prayers.

2235
02:40:41,400 --> 02:40:43,940
and Joe was just a guy who lived his faith,

2236
02:40:45,060 --> 02:40:48,260
spent a lot of time with him in church-related events,

2237
02:40:49,340 --> 02:40:54,020
and had a lot of wisdom and a sad loss.

2238
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:57,160
And so we're going to miss him and all the things we do,

2239
02:40:57,300 --> 02:40:58,220
especially around the church.

2240
02:40:58,740 --> 02:41:03,240
And then we touched a lot of people in some of our mission work at church.

2241
02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:06,840
So with that, we'll close the memory of all four,

2242
02:41:07,060 --> 02:41:09,760
and I want to ask for a motion to close tonight's meeting.

2243
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:14,360
I'll make that motion. I'll second on favor. All right. All right. Thank you all.

2244
02:41:14,520 --> 02:41:16,160
Thank you. Thank you for the break everyone.