1 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:18,720 I will call to order the appearance 2 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:21,199 review board meeting on August 4th, 3 00:00:21,199 --> 00:00:23,760 2026. Let's stand for the pledge of 4 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:49,430 allegiance. 5 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:49,760 me. 6 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,640 >> Member Balcom 7 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,879 >> present. 8 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:56,239 >> Chair Grimes 9 00:00:56,239 --> 00:00:57,120 >> present. 10 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,559 >> Vice Chair Gil 11 00:00:58,559 --> 00:01:00,000 >> present. 12 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,559 >> Member Kettle is absent. Member Rain is 13 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:06,550 absent. 14 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,080 Is there anyone present who would like 15 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,960 to speak? 16 00:01:10,960 --> 00:01:14,560 I will close the floor. 17 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,720 Um, approval of the minutes from June 18 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,520 2nd, 2026. Are there any questions or 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:23,990 comments on the minutes? 20 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,149 » Can I have a motion? 21 00:01:28,159 --> 00:01:30,479 » I'll make a motion to approve the 22 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:34,320 minutes of the June 2nd, 2026 meeting. 23 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:35,840 Second. 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,439 >> All in favor? 25 00:01:37,439 --> 00:01:38,240 >> I. 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,000 >> Any opposed? 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,510 Motion passes. 28 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,200 » Um the new business. This item it is for 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,600 ordinance 20265 30 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,079 Oakland Town Center resoning development 31 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:54,399 agreement and preliminary subdivision 32 00:01:54,399 --> 00:01:56,000 plan. 33 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,079 Yes. An ordinance of the town of 34 00:01:58,079 --> 00:01:59,840 Oakland, Florida, adopting a town 35 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,640 official zoning map amendment from C1 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,320 Commercial General within the urban 37 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,600 corridor design district to PUB Plan 38 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,520 Yune Development within the urban 39 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,520 corridor design district for certain 40 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,360 real property owned by Oakland Town 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,480 Center LLC, generally located on the 42 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,480 north side of State Road 50 at the 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,480 northwest corner of the intersection of 44 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,840 State Road 50 and Katherine Ross Road, 45 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,160 as more particularly described herein 46 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,160 with an approximate size of 14.80 acres, 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,840 approving a development agreement 48 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,680 between the property owner and the town 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,239 of Oakland, and approving a preliminary 50 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:38,560 subdivision plan, making findings, and 51 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,720 providing for conflicts, severability, 52 00:02:40,720 --> 00:03:11,030 and an effective date. 53 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,560 Good evening, members of the ARB. It's 54 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,319 good to be back before you guys again to 55 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,040 talk about the Oakland Town Center. 56 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,879 Before we get into specifics, we'll go 57 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:20,480 into a little bit of background 58 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,800 regarding the actual property itself. 59 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,120 So, without going through all of the 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,640 actual numbers, this property is 61 00:03:26,640 --> 00:03:28,879 comprised of five distinct existing 62 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:32,239 parcels of land totaling about 14.8 63 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:35,440 acres. It contains both a commercial 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,360 future land use classification and 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,959 zoning district. And it is located 66 00:03:38,959 --> 00:03:40,959 within the town's urban corridor design 67 00:03:40,959 --> 00:03:43,280 district. And as mentioned in the 68 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,799 reading of the ordinance, the purpose of 69 00:03:44,799 --> 00:03:46,959 this is to 70 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:48,799 an all-encompassing package, but the 71 00:03:48,799 --> 00:03:51,360 first and foremost is to reszone the 72 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,120 property from its existing commercial 73 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,200 zoning district to a planned unit 74 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,760 development. As part of that planned 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,159 unit development is the development 76 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:02,239 agreement which governs and creates the 77 00:04:02,239 --> 00:04:04,319 regulations, standards, what is and is 78 00:04:04,319 --> 00:04:06,640 not allowed on the property. And with 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,400 that development agreement then if we're 80 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,319 going down to the third layer is the 81 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:12,879 associated preliminary subdivision plan 82 00:04:12,879 --> 00:04:16,239 which the purpose would be to um serve 83 00:04:16,239 --> 00:04:18,799 as the template when if and when it 84 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:20,400 comes through for final construction 85 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,400 review by the town. So that's a little 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,000 bit of a background of what we're here 87 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,320 reviewing tonight. 88 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,800 Looking at the site location map, the 89 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,560 property is bordered on the east by 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,720 Katherine Ross Road. And the little 91 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,600 cutout here you can see is um just for 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,160 spatial references, the tractor supply 93 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:41,600 store there. And you can see the current 94 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:48,629 five parcel configuration. 95 00:04:48,639 --> 00:04:50,800 So what actually comprises the Oakland 96 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,600 Town Center is 11 singlestory commercial 97 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,639 buildings that vary in size from 98 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:59,040 approximately 10,000 foot multi-tenant 99 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,800 buildings all the way down to a 12 100 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,120 approximately 1,200 foot drive-thru 101 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,600 building. In total all the buildings 102 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,759 comprise of 84,020 103 00:05:07,759 --> 00:05:10,560 square feet and is accessed via five 104 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,600 distinct points. And you can see one off 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,080 of State directly off State Road 50, two 106 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,280 off of Katherine Ross Road, and one off 107 00:05:19,280 --> 00:05:22,320 the side street directly in front of the 108 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,280 um tractor supply parking lot. You'll 109 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,840 notice here as part of and it is 110 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,720 indicated on the um provided preliminary 111 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,720 subdivision plan, part of this project 112 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,680 would comprise of the construction of a 113 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,000 connecting roadway here. And you can see 114 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,320 this red area to be constructed by the 115 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,639 developer and eventually once 116 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:44,479 constructed it would be dedicated to the 117 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:46,080 town as public rightway as a 118 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:51,430 transportation improvement. 119 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,360 So here is a general overview of the 120 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,639 plan. It will become important um in a 121 00:05:56,639 --> 00:05:58,960 few slides but just take note of the 122 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,759 specific location and orientation of 123 00:06:01,759 --> 00:06:03,680 buildings because we are going to go 124 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,440 building by building and discuss what 125 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,160 each of these is to look like. So, I'll 126 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,400 jump back and forth if needed, but just 127 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,639 get a general sense of the layout of and 128 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:14,319 configuration of the buildings you see 129 00:06:14,319 --> 00:06:16,880 on the site plan. 130 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,520 And tying to that, we also have the 131 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:21,840 associated landscape plan. And it is 132 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:23,759 these two things together, including 133 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:25,680 details such as drainage, utility 134 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,520 connections, things such as that. All of 135 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,520 this together comprise the preliminary 136 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,840 subdivision plan that is before you and 137 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:33,360 subject to this ordinance development 138 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,440 agreement and associated plan 139 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,070 development. 140 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,039 So continuing on the overview, as 141 00:06:43,039 --> 00:06:44,400 mentioned, there is a governing 142 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,280 development agreement which creates a 143 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,039 specific set of standards and 144 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:51,360 regulations that in some cases may 145 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,880 differ from what the general land 146 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,919 development code um requires or can be 147 00:06:55,919 --> 00:06:59,360 more restrictive. As an example, 148 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,160 specific uses that are permitted within 149 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,160 the planned unit develop include, as you 150 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,720 can see here, commercial, retail, office 151 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,599 uses, restaurants with no more than one 152 00:07:09,599 --> 00:07:11,759 drive-thru is all that's being permitted 153 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:13,840 within this developed project, 154 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,840 educational, and clinic uses. So, it is 155 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,840 a full gamut of potential uses that 156 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,319 could go into um this project as 157 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:22,479 governed by the development agreement. 158 00:07:22,479 --> 00:07:24,479 There is also a specific prohibition on 159 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:27,199 a couple of uses. Both tobacco, smoke 160 00:07:27,199 --> 00:07:30,400 shops, marijuana dispensaries, those are 161 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,720 in the agreement and baked in that they 162 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,160 cannot apologize for the pun cannot go 163 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,599 into the um the subject site. There are 164 00:07:39,599 --> 00:07:41,280 also, which are separate from the 165 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,800 specific deviations that are being 166 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,599 requested before you as the ARB tonight, 167 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:47,199 certain standards, as I mentioned, that 168 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:49,280 do differ slightly from what the general 169 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,120 code requires and were negotiated as 170 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,639 part of the development agreement 171 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:56,160 drafting process. As an example, 172 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,479 the um the development agreement does 173 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:00,080 permit the maximum width of the 174 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,199 commercial buildings to go up to 240 um 175 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:06,319 liner feet as opposed to believe it's 176 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,560 150 as per regulated by the code. that 177 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:10,400 was negotiated and agreed to by the two 178 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:12,560 parties. And that is in the development 179 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,560 agreement that is included as part of 180 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,280 your packet. 181 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,680 And as mentioned, the the entirety of 182 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,520 the preliminary subdivision plan is 183 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,840 incorporated as an exhibit to this 184 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,479 development agreement and will be, as I 185 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:27,919 mentioned, the governing reference 186 00:08:27,919 --> 00:08:30,800 document for final engineering and 187 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,279 construction plan review by the entirety 188 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:34,800 of the town review team. So I think 189 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,560 that's an important thing to note is the 190 00:08:38,560 --> 00:08:40,640 this is a preliminary subdivision plan. 191 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,080 This is not a final approval. We if and 192 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:45,680 when it gets through the sequence it 193 00:08:45,680 --> 00:08:47,760 will still need to go before the town to 194 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:50,160 ensure that all the design elements in 195 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,880 regard to engineering landscaping are 196 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:54,320 installed properly. all of those 197 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,040 elements including any outside permits 198 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,560 that are required whether it be with the 199 00:08:58,560 --> 00:09:00,880 water management district panelis or 200 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,360 sorry it's my old life orange county 201 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:11,190 fire and etc etc. 202 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,600 So, as the appearance reviewer, as the 203 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,720 appearance review board, you are um 204 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,640 certain deviations can be asked of you 205 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,519 from the specific standards of the um 206 00:09:21,519 --> 00:09:23,760 the town's design districts, certain 207 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:28,000 variances or dimensional changes. And 208 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,640 as the ARB, you do review propo 209 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,880 proposals to ensure that they confirm 210 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,959 conform to the intent and purpose of 211 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,360 each of the town's design districts. The 212 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,080 applicant group did provide a list of 213 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,640 specific requests and uh specific 214 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,160 deviations that they are seeking from 215 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,240 the code. And as I did mention to each 216 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,240 of you when you came in, the initial um 217 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:52,240 deviation letters that you received were 218 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,920 the were a previous draft of the of the 219 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:58,880 request and the final version is what 220 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,399 has been presented to you. The only 221 00:10:00,399 --> 00:10:03,120 difference is the in terms of the 222 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:04,720 signage and we'll actually get into the 223 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,240 next slide and kind of transition that 224 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,080 better. So this remains the same. Um per 225 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,839 the LDC 60% of the building is required 226 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:16,480 to be transparent whether it be through 227 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,360 doors, windows etc. 60% of commercial 228 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,079 buildings are required to be transparent 229 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:24,800 and not just solid mass blank walls. 230 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,640 What has been proposed by the applicant 231 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,560 group is what's known as the pedestrian 232 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:32,480 uh transparency method which the stated 233 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,800 intent is to really facilitate that more 234 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,760 ground level design and change the way 235 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,519 that that calculation is um I guess is 236 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:44,240 perceived more from a pedestrian level 237 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,240 rather than you know somebody going by 238 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,519 on the turnpike for example. 239 00:10:49,519 --> 00:10:52,079 And as you and now the next two are in 240 00:10:52,079 --> 00:10:54,640 relation to signage. So, per the land 241 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,040 development code, each developed piece 242 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:59,360 of property is permitted a single ground 243 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:03,040 sign. Um, as part of the development, 244 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,680 the applicant is requesting three ground 245 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:09,279 signs. And I have a um I have a 246 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,519 rendering of one type of the sign. The 247 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:13,040 applicant group is intending to have 248 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,760 their own presentation. You will see the 249 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,839 a better layout than what is in my own 250 00:11:17,839 --> 00:11:19,600 presentation. 251 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,600 And in addition to that, for each one of 252 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:28,000 those um two of those ground signs, the requested deviation would be to take 253 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,800 the minimum or the maximum sign area, I 254 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,600 should say, from 48 ft per the LDC 255 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,040 standards to a maximum sign area of 51 256 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,040 square feet. For the third sign, there 257 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:40,959 is no requested deviation from the code 258 00:11:40,959 --> 00:11:44,470 requirements. 259 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,160 Now, we will go into architectural 260 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,920 design. So, as I mentioned, I will go 261 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:54,870 back and forth if needed, but 262 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,360 so building B1. 263 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Actually, Kathy, would you mind if I get 264 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,680 the keyboard? That might be helpful for 265 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:07,750 this. 266 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,680 So, this building type is one of I go 267 00:12:11,680 --> 00:12:14,160 back to the site plan. So, this building 268 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:16,480 here is one of these. If you guys can 269 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,639 see my mouse, it's one of the ones that 270 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:20,399 do not have direct frontage on State 271 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:23,360 Road 50 or Katherine Ross Road. It is uh 272 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,360 tucked in behind the primary frontage 273 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,880 buildings. And that one 274 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,000 is the first elevation set we're looking 275 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,839 at. 276 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:35,360 And again, it should be noted that these 277 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:36,959 are preliminary renderings. These are 278 00:12:36,959 --> 00:12:39,600 not the formal official elevations that 279 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,839 would need to be reviewed as part of the 280 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:47,590 building permitting process. 281 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,519 So looking at this, this is B, this is 282 00:12:49,519 --> 00:12:54,800 building B2. This is one of the two, uh primary 283 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,320 building masses that are going to be 284 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:04,629 fronting along State Road 50. 285 00:13:04,639 --> 00:13:07,519 We have here building B3. This one is 286 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:10,560 directly adjacent to that first set of 287 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,040 buildings tucked behind the primary 288 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:20,230 fronting buildings on State Road 50. 289 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,600 This one is building B4. This is the 290 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,480 building to the east which is also 291 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:35,509 directly fronting State Road 50. 292 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,519 This one here is building B5, which is 293 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:41,279 another one of the buildings that will 294 00:13:41,279 --> 00:13:45,040 be tucked in to the um tucked in behind 295 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,560 those buildings that are directly 296 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:54,150 fronting along State Road 50. 297 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,240 This is building B6. This is the 298 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:57,920 building, if you're looking at your site 299 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,880 plan, that is turned sideways and faces 300 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:09,110 Katherine Ross Road. 301 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:14,320 Looking at building B7, this is um guess 302 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,959 the only way really to show you is to go 303 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:20,240 back to the site plan. So B7 304 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,320 is apologize. 305 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,839 Building B7. This is seven and eight. So 306 00:14:27,839 --> 00:14:29,199 just for reference points, these are 307 00:14:29,199 --> 00:14:30,800 these two buildings that are facing 308 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,800 sideways with their sides facing 309 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,360 Katherine Ross Road. 310 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:54,949 I'll go back to those. 311 00:14:54,959 --> 00:15:04,389 Let's get my number here. 312 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:10,230 60. Apologize everyone. 313 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,160 Okay. So then, as I said, that was B7. 314 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,639 And then B8. Very similar. They're these 315 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:17,920 buildings are right next to each other, 316 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,760 so they do have similar elevations. 317 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,120 And then finally, we get to B9. And this 318 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,040 is the building that has the most direct 319 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,680 frontage directly against Katherine Ross 320 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,480 Road. 321 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,240 And if you notice on the site plan, 322 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,760 there are the two um smaller standalone 323 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,560 buildings. These are the two um they're 324 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,000 listed, I believe, on the site plan as 325 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,199 OP1 and OP2. This is the first building. 326 00:15:45,199 --> 00:15:47,440 You can see it's a two tenants two 327 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,199 tenant building. And this is also 328 00:15:49,199 --> 00:15:51,920 fronting State Road 50. And as 329 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:53,920 mentioned, there is only one permitted 330 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,240 drive-thru um per the development 331 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,959 agreement. And this is the preliminary 332 00:15:58,959 --> 00:16:01,279 rendering of that singular drive-thru 333 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:03,680 facility. 334 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:05,199 Thank you for bearing with me as we went 335 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:06,720 back and forth with the elevations on 336 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:08,639 there. I'm happy to go back and at any 337 00:16:08,639 --> 00:16:09,839 of those once we're done with this 338 00:16:09,839 --> 00:16:16,310 presentation. 339 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,360 And as I mentioned, this was the sign 340 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,440 subject to the original request that you 341 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,600 received for two monument signs instead 342 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,920 of one. These would be located, if 343 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,360 you're looking at the site plan, on the 344 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,639 primary entrance along State Road 50. 345 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:33,440 And then the second one would be on the 346 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,920 entryway to Katherine Ross Road. But the 347 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:36,959 applicant group during their 348 00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:39,360 presentation will show you on their site 349 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,720 plan where that third um I guess you can 350 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,040 call it a keynote sign would be located 351 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:52,069 at the intersection of those two roads. 352 00:16:52,079 --> 00:16:54,480 So as noted this project is proposed to 353 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,160 be located within the town's urban 354 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,800 corridor design district the with the 355 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,839 intent of AC which the intent of which 356 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:04,240 is to accommodate mixeduse projects of 357 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,120 and larger scale developments. Staff did 358 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:08,640 find during our analysis that the 359 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,319 proposed development is consistent with 360 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:11,919 the intent and purpose of the urban 361 00:17:11,919 --> 00:17:15,520 corridor design district um by creating 362 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,439 com largescale commercial uses with 363 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:19,839 local and regional accessibility given 364 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:23,280 its proximity to a very busy commercial 365 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:25,520 thoroughare project would also 366 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,039 facilitate the redevelopment of an 367 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:29,120 underutilized vacant property with 368 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:30,960 difficult topography and terrain which 369 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,400 I'm sure the applicant group might get 370 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,720 into during their presentation and of 371 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,120 course the develment could promote 372 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,200 remote economic investment and support 373 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,679 job creation within the town relative to 374 00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:45,360 a vacant piece of land. 375 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,280 So based on this, staff does find the 376 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,799 proposed Oakland Town Center as 377 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:50,720 presented substantially compliant with 378 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,799 the town of Oakland's land development 379 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:54,880 code and the design district 380 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,280 requirements. Um and do recommend 381 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,559 approval of ordinance 20265 382 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,000 and provide that as is provided with 383 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,960 this agenda item. Apologize, it's really 384 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,160 hot in here. And um the applicant group 385 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,000 also has their own presentation that 386 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,039 they're that they um have queued up, but 387 00:18:13,039 --> 00:18:14,480 before we get to them, if you have any 388 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,080 questions for me, that concludes staff's 389 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:17,360 presentation. And thank you for your 390 00:18:17,360 --> 00:18:33,590 time. 391 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,200 I I don't have anything. I'm going to 392 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:40,310 wait for their presentation and then 393 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:44,799 go from there. Thank you guys. 394 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:46,240 Well, good evening. Thanks y'all for the 395 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,720 record. Logan Obsol Lounge Law Firm, 215 396 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,760 North Yola Drive. Uh we we brought the 397 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,679 whole project team for you and so really 398 00:18:53,679 --> 00:18:55,440 appreciate Taylor going in depth with 399 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,200 staff presentation. We intend to do the 400 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,720 same. hopefully kind of anticipating 401 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:01,120 your questions um and so we can get all 402 00:19:01,120 --> 00:19:03,039 those answered at the forefront. Um but 403 00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:04,240 before I begin, I just want to bring up 404 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Alex Ree uh the applicant who uh wanted 405 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,559 to just introduce himself as well. 406 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:13,200 >> Hi, my name is Alex Ree and uh I've 407 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,559 thoroughly enjoyed working with your 408 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:16,320 town on this project. This project has 409 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:20,000 been a long time coming. It has been a a 410 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,200 monster project really. Uh, I think that 411 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,480 we felt like there was a vision here off 412 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,320 of uh, Highway 50 10 years ago and we 413 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,559 saw the growth with Winter Garden and 414 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:34,480 Claremont and some of the towns that 415 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,960 you're surrounded by. We felt like that 416 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,840 there was a a real possibility that this 417 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,400 area could uh could grow into an area 418 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:44,559 where people would want to lease product 419 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:47,120 here. And 420 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:48,799 we went through this process with St. 421 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,200 John's water management. And uh I 422 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,799 digress here, but it was a very long 423 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,880 arduous process because we had to 424 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,120 mitigate an acre and a quarter of land 425 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,320 on the on the site. I tell you guys this 426 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,799 because over the time period, this area 427 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:05,919 has gotten more and more and more robust 428 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:08,480 in terms of what we can build here. Now, 429 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,320 so what kind of started out is as is 430 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,799 maybe something that would support well 431 00:20:12,799 --> 00:20:14,320 something very much like Schmidt 432 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,799 Construction has across the street, 433 00:20:16,799 --> 00:20:18,720 which was it was never really all that 434 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,360 glamorous to me. The rents now in the 435 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,440 area plus uh just the just the trips per 436 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,440 day support something quite different, 437 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,120 something that I'm very excited to bring 438 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,600 to you guys today. Um it's going to be 439 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,120 an incredible project. I mean, we're 440 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:34,640 trying to do something very much like a 441 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,520 winter garden feel or a winter park feel 442 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:41,919 to this. Um, it's uh we've I think the 443 00:20:41,919 --> 00:20:43,600 biggest thing that I'm the most proud of 444 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:45,840 is the team that we've assembled. Okay. 445 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,640 So, uh Brent who's with Kimley Horn, who 446 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:50,960 I believe works with your town, is just 447 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,720 in incredible. He's an incredible 448 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,320 partner for us. He's done an incredible 449 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,840 job working with St. John's Water 450 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,840 Management. Bobby who works with Gemini 451 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,280 is not here tonight, but I think you 452 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,600 guys know him through Steve Healey and 453 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,440 some of the projects that he's done. 454 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,200 He's another incredible incredible 455 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,960 asset. Alexi is uh just a leasing and 456 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:10,720 guru. I mean, she deals with a lot of 457 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,320 different 458 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:13,919 tenants that we think are going to fit 459 00:21:13,919 --> 00:21:17,039 very nicely here from an organic craft 460 00:21:17,039 --> 00:21:21,919 feel that I think is going to give you a luxurious kind of feel to the town 461 00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:23,039 center. You know, we're not looking to 462 00:21:23,039 --> 00:21:25,360 do a cookie cutter town center here. And 463 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,440 then I would like to also point out uh 464 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,960 Costell Benurro who is uh in-house 465 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,039 design with me. He handles a lot of our 466 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,440 in-house stuff and and has done just an 467 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,159 exceptional job working with this. Logan 468 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:39,919 behind me works with a a young woman 469 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:42,159 named Tara Tedro who's also just an 470 00:21:42,159 --> 00:21:43,760 incredible part of our team. Just 471 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,320 incredible. And then Amanda Sheffield 472 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,799 who's our superintendent. So it's been a 473 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,480 real process getting here. I've really 474 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,000 though thoroughly enjoyed working with 475 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,039 you guys and I look forward to 476 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,400 presenting the the project to you 477 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,080 tonight and hopefully you guys will like 478 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,360 it as much as we do. 479 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:02,000 >> Thanks, Alex. So, I hate it when that 480 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,520 happens, right? We'll we'll we'll dive 481 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,919 in. Um and and again, appreciate the 482 00:22:05,919 --> 00:22:08,080 depth since we're here at ARB. Wanted to 483 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,760 give you some appearances and give you 484 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,760 some of these pictures. So, over the 485 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,039 course of the next three hours, you'll 486 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:16,080 hear from I'm just kidding. So, uh want 487 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,520 to give you some renderings of the 488 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,080 project itself. Um, I think Alex did a 489 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:21,440 great job of touching on the quality in 490 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,360 which we're trying to instill, but this 491 00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:24,880 is the Oakland Town Center. I mean, 492 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,559 Oakland has its own unique brand, and 493 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:29,360 this is an opportunity to capture that. 494 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:33,039 Um, and so this is a what we've done. We 495 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:35,200 have an assemblage of 11 different 496 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,840 buildings, almost 50, more than 50 uh 497 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,080 tenant opportunities. And you'll see 498 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,679 throughout these pictures kind of a 499 00:22:41,679 --> 00:22:45,440 thoughtful design of breaking up what we're used to seeing, providing 500 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,080 courtyards, connectivity, uh the type of 501 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,559 things that Oakland's become accustomed 502 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,280 to. And here's some of those features 503 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,720 that you have with the fountains and 504 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,799 some gathering places. We're not just 505 00:22:56,799 --> 00:23:00,000 foc focusing on, you know, the proper 506 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,600 traffic and vehicular uh 507 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,880 safety and and how those all interact 508 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,080 with the buildings, but also 509 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:09,679 walkability. 510 00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:12,400 And how we're doing that is is having 511 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,559 things like these unique lightings, 512 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:15,919 umbrellas, you saw some of the water 513 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,400 features designed around the movement 514 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,159 and, you know, people utilize their golf 515 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:22,720 carts, a lot of connectivity with the 516 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840 town. And so this project really focuses 517 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,520 on those characteristics that make 518 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,840 Oakland special. 519 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,960 Um, we're going to talk a little bit 520 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,880 about the signage, but I think this is a 521 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,600 good place to just hand over briefly to 522 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,200 Alexi. You can talk a little bit about 523 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,120 the tenants and what we're looking to to 524 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,520 gather in this place. Um, if you want 525 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,470 to. 526 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,360 » Hi guys, thank you for your time. Um so 527 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:52,080 we are really trying to you know bring 528 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,760 tenants in that are going to be 529 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,600 community centric right so not just all 530 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,600 your national brands but we want to 531 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,679 create a really curated mix of tenants. 532 00:23:59,679 --> 00:24:01,840 So new tomarket restaurants but then 533 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,480 also local brands that are you know very 534 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,960 popular that people know of. Um fitness 535 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:08,320 health and wellness is a really 536 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,400 important category I think for Oakland 537 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,159 in general but in general health and 538 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,000 wellness category is a huge category now 539 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000 that's growing a lot. Um, and then you 540 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,520 know your not just your basic coffee 541 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:18,799 shop, but something that makes you want 542 00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:20,320 to sit there and work for a couple hours 543 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,480 and it's really community centric and 544 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,640 where people meet and spend time. And 545 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,240 that's the whole idea behind Oakland 546 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,000 Town Center. We're not just creating, 547 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,279 you know, another shopping center, but 548 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:30,799 it's a sense of place, right? We're 549 00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:32,960 placemaking. And so in order to do that, 550 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,360 we need those outdoor spaces, those, you 551 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,279 know, beautiful facades. Signage is 552 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:38,640 super important for these brands that 553 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,799 we're trying to bring into the market. 554 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,880 Um, and we've had to do that on several 555 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,640 other projects, too. but to be able to 556 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,159 get their attention on projects like 557 00:24:46,159 --> 00:24:47,360 this. These are the things that we kind 558 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:48,799 of need. For example, some of the 559 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:50,480 tenants that we're talking to that we're 560 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,400 looking at bringing is concepts like 561 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,120 Motech and Man out of and Pure Vita. 562 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:56,640 Those are all out of South Florida, New 563 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,880 York, but they're actively looking in 564 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,960 Winter Garden right now and there's very 565 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,559 little space in Winter Garden. So, 566 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:04,880 Oakland is a great opportunity for them 567 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,960 to kind of service that Winter Garden 568 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,960 need and the Claremont need when there's 569 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,120 very little space. Oakland fills that 570 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:14,080 for for these brands. Um, and so as 571 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,679 they're actively looking, this is our 572 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:17,679 chance to present to brands like that. 573 00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:19,520 Um, Health and Wellness Concept, you 574 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,600 know, Solid Core Pilates is a great 575 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,840 brand, uh, very well known. They're 576 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 actively looking in the market. U 577 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,679 Barry's Boot Camp, we just did a deal 578 00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:28,960 with them, so they're going to open 579 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960 their first location in Winter Park, and 580 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:32,240 naturally, they're going to be looking 581 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,000 for their second and third option. And 582 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,080 Winter Garden is hot on their list as 583 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,559 well. Um, Pause is another one. and it's 584 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,559 one of those like hot, you know, hot uh 585 00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,960 sauna places, cold plunge. So, again, 586 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,320 catering to that health and wellness 587 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,760 concept. That's another brand that's 588 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,919 constantly looking at opportunities. And 589 00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:49,679 these are new to market, which is great 590 00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:51,039 because we're getting, you know, the 591 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:52,880 attention that Oakland will get with 592 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,240 these new tom market brands and that 593 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,559 they chose this location for their, you 594 00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,480 know, for their next door is huge for 595 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,600 us. Um, Glow 30 is a med spa, facial 596 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 space. Um, and then of course, you know, 597 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,760 breakfast is huge with the church being 598 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,919 next door. We know breakfast is a big 599 00:26:07,919 --> 00:26:09,840 deal and so we want to bring in a really 600 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,600 cool breakfast concept. I mean, of 601 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600 course, everybody loves a Kiki's, you 602 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,600 know, and First Watch, but we'd love to 603 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,919 bring in something like Snooze Eater, 604 00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:19,200 um, which has been looking in the 605 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,039 market, and that would be new to market, 606 00:26:21,039 --> 00:26:23,279 and they have not only, you know, a 607 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,880 breakfast concept, but they're also a 608 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880 bar. So, you've got more of that bar 609 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,320 component. It's a little bit different, 610 00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,240 and it's more of a full service versus a 611 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,200 cafe. Um, and then Pure and Simple is 612 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:34,559 another one, which our team actually 613 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,240 represents. Um, and they're always 614 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,480 looking in the market as well. Um, and 615 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,320 Motech actually fills that category. And 616 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,400 then some healthier concepts like, you 617 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,480 know, Naked Farmer and Purveto. Those 618 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,640 are healthy salad bowl, you know, 619 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,120 concepts, you know, organic, you know, 620 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,120 brands. And then some of our local 621 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,799 favorites. Good Salt Group. A lot of 622 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,480 people know Good Salt Group. They did 623 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,400 Rya's Mascaria. Um, they've got, um, uh, 624 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,480 in downtown um, oh my god, I just drove 625 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200 like Sparrow Sparrow Wine Bar and a 626 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,640 couple others that they own in town. 627 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,799 sushi. They a sushi concept as well and 628 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:08,720 they're always looking at opportunities. 629 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,480 So, and they really like to come into a 630 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,640 market and they will create a brand like 631 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,400 the Monroe that they did in downtown 632 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,640 that's based off of the area and what 633 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,720 the area was. So, the Monroe, you know, 634 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,600 is named after a professor that um that 635 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,440 was the first black school in downtown 636 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,120 Orlando and they created the whole 637 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:26,720 concept around that. So, they'll do 638 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,760 things like that. Like, they'll come 639 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,360 into Oakland and see what Oakland's all 640 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,360 about and create a concept that really 641 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,480 feels local to the city, to the town. 642 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:35,679 Um, and then some of the dessert 643 00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:37,520 concepts, we'd love to get in here. You 644 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,159 know, Salt and Straw, Mayday Ice Cream, 645 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:41,600 Kelly's Ice Cream. I know they're 646 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,360 already in Plant Street, but they could 647 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:44,880 actually get a, you know, their own 648 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,880 brick-andmortar location here. So, those 649 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,240 are some of the brands that just to give 650 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,679 you an idea of what we're trying to 651 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:52,799 target here for this project. Thank you. 652 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:54,559 >> Thank you. So, just a couple more slides 653 00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,440 and a couple more minutes. Um, I I just 654 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,720 want to ground the important work in 655 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,559 what we're doing today and and that is 656 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:03,039 we talked about the PUD request, the the 657 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,240 development agreement in the PSP. Of 658 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:11,039 course, the PUD zoning designation is a what they call a negotiated zoning 659 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:13,120 district. So it gives a real opportunity 660 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:16,080 to work with the unique challenges and 661 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,640 constraints of this site to allow the 662 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,480 flexibility to make something like this 663 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,640 come to life while also making sure we 664 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,640 don't have knucklehead stuff going on 665 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,600 here and and allow for the type of 666 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,480 design that that can really see this 667 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,760 thing effectuated. you know, uh, one of 668 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,520 the things that that came up in the 669 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,240 discussion, um, about how it's designed 670 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,399 in the courtyards and the way the glass 671 00:28:40,399 --> 00:28:42,159 and canopies is, I'll show that in a few 672 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:44,480 slides. Um, that's a real opportunity 673 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200 through this vehicle of the PUD, the 674 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,720 development agreement, which will govern 675 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,399 it. And so, I just like grounding the 676 00:28:50,399 --> 00:28:52,720 pictures into what we're actually doing, 677 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,240 um, because it's it's important and 678 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,080 allows things like this to to happen. 679 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,360 Um, so this is just another view and I I 680 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,760 think this says it all of of kind of a 681 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,159 conclusion of what we've been selling to 682 00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:08,159 you, which is this is a landmark. This 683 00:29:08,159 --> 00:29:10,399 is a this is a welcome center of Oakland 684 00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:12,320 and this is an opportunity to provide 685 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,720 some really top-notch tenants and 686 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,520 architectural detail in a way that that 687 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,919 Oakland again has come to be recognized 688 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,000 for. 689 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Uh, and and this is just a visualization 690 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,080 of what I outlined. uh varied heights 691 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080 projections allowing a uniqueness of 692 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,320 each tenants space and the buildings 693 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,880 between them and not just the outside 694 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,720 pedestrian connections that we talked 695 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,559 about particularly in the opportunity to 696 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,679 provide some off-site improvements but 697 00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:42,000 also the the sidewalks and the bicycle 698 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,360 friendly nature and just having that 699 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,630 interconnectivity. 700 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,799 Here's another view of the canopies and 701 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:51,120 how that those spaces are broken up. Um 702 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,880 and so we'll end on this slide that has 703 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,480 some pictures. I know we threw a lot at 704 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,159 you and I'm thankful for your patience 705 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,480 and for being here making quorum tonight 706 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,080 and we're happy to answer any follow-ups 707 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:22,470 you have. Thank you. 708 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,240 I have a question. Um, 709 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,440 in one of the slides it says that it is 710 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,960 pedestrian and bike friendly. 711 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,679 Um, how how does it you think it's bike 712 00:30:37,679 --> 00:30:39,679 friendly? Are there certain things that 713 00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:41,600 are catered bicycle? 714 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,679 >> Yes. Certainly infrastructure like the 715 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,200 bike racks and things like that, but the 716 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000 wider sidewalks as well allow for more 717 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,559 pedestrian access, allow the bikes to to 718 00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:51,919 safely traverse in and out of the 719 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,000 sidewalk areas. And then, as you'll see 720 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,039 here, this isn't just one big strip area 721 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:58,960 that all looks the same. the fact that 722 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,679 you have areas that are broken up with 723 00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:03,360 and you see some of the crosswalks and 724 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,919 pedestrian safety features that allows 725 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,960 for to to break up these long alleyways 726 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,520 of cars uh that can get up to a certain 727 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,360 speed. So all those types of things go 728 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,399 into a shared space from pedestrian to 729 00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:18,720 bicycle and then of course vehicular as 730 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,320 well and golf carts. Let's not forget 731 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,840 the golf carts. 732 00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,640 >> So would there be 733 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:32,230 wide sidewalks connecting all of the 734 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,600 Yeah, I think it's hard to see on the 735 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,080 site plan 736 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,399 of the sidewalks, but I would assume 737 00:31:38,399 --> 00:31:42,399 they're connecting all the 738 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:42,960 main road. 739 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,710 >> Sure. 740 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,640 » Um if you look at the um um the area 741 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Katherine Ross, right, because we know 742 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,840 we're in about a half a mile, not even 743 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,679 to let's say Orange Trail, right? So, 744 00:31:57,679 --> 00:31:59,440 and that's just the main bike. So, 745 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,480 there's a couple of things. First of 746 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,080 all, you know, if you would make it here 747 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,880 to u to Catherine Ross on a bike, um we 748 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,399 would provide in just about every 749 00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:08,080 amenity and courtyard, you'll have bike 750 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,440 racks so you can, you know, place your 751 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,000 bike. From there on, the sidewalk 752 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,159 actually has con connectivity all the 753 00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:16,880 way really to the well, I wouldn't say 754 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:17,919 to the church because you'd have to 755 00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:19,760 cross that street, but certainly to the 756 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,919 far end of the property. Um, and I know 757 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:23,120 it's hard to see on the plan, but 758 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,399 everything that's kind of sort of dotted 759 00:32:24,399 --> 00:32:26,159 that's around the buildings. And if you 760 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:27,840 start at that point in Katherine Ross, 761 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,600 you can walk along building seven and 762 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,760 eight and then six and four and two. Of 763 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,279 course, there's be going to be a couple 764 00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,279 of crosswalks, but you can certainly 765 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,519 walk that whole entire center. And, uh, 766 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,120 those are the wider sidewalks that we're 767 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,600 talking about. Um, of course, we don't 768 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:43,120 think the traffic in the center is going 769 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,880 to be, you know, insane because it's 770 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,480 very well laid out and everything. And 771 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,080 we thought of that because, um, 772 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,240 Oakland's known for biking. So whether 773 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,080 you come on a bike or on a um you know 774 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,519 whether you want to leave your bike at 775 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,039 building 7 or you want to ride it all 776 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:56,720 the way to perhaps buildings one and 777 00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,559 three you'll have a little position 778 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,480 there where you can put your bike. So I 779 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,360 don't know if that answers your 780 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:05,279 question. Yeah. Okay. 781 00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:08,480 >> Question of the renderings there 782 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,919 retaining wall along. 783 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:14,880 >> Yes. And that's a um Brent that's a 784 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,509 Brent 785 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,760 So, as uh Brent Lensen with Kimley Horn, 786 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,640 200 South Orange Avenue, sweet 600. Um, 787 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,640 but as Taylor briefly mentioned before, 788 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,159 the topography of the site's a bit 789 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:29,440 challenging. We had some storm water 790 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,480 nuances with St. John's as well. So, if 791 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,320 you look at the plan, the northwest 792 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,720 corner where that large dry pond is, 793 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,679 it's like elevation 114 and the bottom 794 00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:42,159 right southeast is about a 97. So 795 00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,840 there's at least 17 feet of fall across 796 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,039 the site from northwest to southeast and 797 00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,960 that's really happening along the state 798 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,039 road 50 frontage which made it really 799 00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:55,440 difficult um from an overall master 800 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,799 infrastructure grading and drainage 801 00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:59,519 standpoint. And then on top of that 802 00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:01,600 unfortunately the initial development 803 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,600 that happened within that affects these 804 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,919 parcels was the tractor supply and they 805 00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:07,440 built the large dry pond immediately 806 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,760 adjacent to it. Several of the parcels 807 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,079 included within this project are 808 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,639 benefited by that storm water. The 809 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:16,159 negative is the storm water's at the top 810 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:18,800 of the hill. So physically getting the 811 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,040 water to the dry pond is not achievable 812 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,960 without raising finished floors and 813 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:24,399 hydraulically being able to drain the 814 00:34:24,399 --> 00:34:27,839 water. Oops, I did that. I'm sorry. Um, 815 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:30,079 so with the dry pond up there, we have 816 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:33,760 Apakka basin for storm water recharge, 817 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,440 which requires dry pre-treatment and 818 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,159 infiltration before you get to a wet 819 00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:40,000 pond. Sorry for the storm water jargon, 820 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,119 but all that to say based on storm 821 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:44,560 water, it demanded the buildings being 822 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,320 set at a certain elevation and what's 823 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:47,760 being set at a certain elevation, which 824 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,679 had to drain to the dry ponds first to 825 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,000 get to a downstream wet, which is why 826 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,240 you kind of see a cascading deal with 827 00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:56,320 that large rectangular white space as a 828 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,960 dry pond. A lot of our basin goes to it. 829 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,119 The basin that can't get there goes to 830 00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,359 that boomerang, we'll call it, around 831 00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,040 the wet pond. That's kind of a dry 832 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,200 upstream pre-treatment which then goes 833 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,880 to the lower wet pond that's at that 834 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,359 bottom southeast corner. So with all 835 00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,359 those nuances, we have a retaining wall 836 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:15,119 near that storm water pond along 50 837 00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:18,000 that's about 10 ft tall. 838 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,839 So 839 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:21,119 little bit of sight constraints kind of 840 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,960 drove that design and that's kind of 841 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,560 what you'll see within the waiver 842 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,720 request. Some of the building separation 843 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:29,200 from 50 was due to that nuance of having 844 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,119 to build a wall, having the structural 845 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,480 integrity of a wall and a building 846 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,720 adjacency and really trying to 847 00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,480 centralize the focus of the development 848 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,000 more internalized because of that 849 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,750 elevation change off 850 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:47,359 » that basically the retaining wall and 851 00:35:47,359 --> 00:35:52,630 then sidewalk. 852 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,320 It's going to be the basically state 853 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,400 road 50 turn like their travel lanes. 854 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,160 You'll have a sidewalk running along 50 855 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,079 that's still at road grade. Then you'll 856 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,160 have an elevated wall and then there's 857 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240 going to be landscaping up above on top 858 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:06,240 of the wall and then the building facade 859 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,079 up there. I think the best picture, I 860 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:08,960 don't know where it was in the 861 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,040 presentation was the one that showed the 862 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,720 pedestrian down at the street level with 863 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,920 the monument sign there. 864 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,280 Probably the best example. 865 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,280 this going to be a like a good example 866 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:25,920 of what the landscaping is going to look like on 867 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,190 that corner that intent. 868 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,800 » So obviously, you know, the the 869 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:33,920 renderings and everything. So our 870 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,119 landscape architects are going to work 871 00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:36,400 very hard and everything, but our our 872 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,760 goal is to have because that's going to 873 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,440 be the way we see it. It's it's 874 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,200 certainly our our main entrance, right, 875 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,280 from from most of the vehicles and and 876 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:44,800 we want that to look very nice. And 877 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,160 that's why we created even the the 878 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,280 monument, you know, we made it a lot 879 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520 more architectural to actually integrate 880 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,040 with the center rather than just be, you 881 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,119 know, a little billboard looking thing. 882 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,200 Um, and the intent is yes to landscape 883 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,720 it as nice as possible. Is it going to 884 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,119 look, you know, tit for tat like that? 885 00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,440 Um, you know, probably not, but it's 886 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,119 going to be the same exact feel. So, 887 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,599 that's really the u the intent of the um 888 00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:07,760 the renderings. And um and we want to 889 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,280 make that wall, you know, as pretty as 890 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,320 we can. Um, good news is that wall is 891 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,880 not 10 feet everywhere, but you know, 892 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,320 that's just what we had to work with. 893 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,560 So, um, I don't know if that answers 894 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,960 your question. 895 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,760 >> So, the that the wall, the retaining 896 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:24,079 wall. 897 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:24,720 >> Yes, sir. 898 00:37:24,720 --> 00:37:27,440 >> Corner will be about 10 ft high. 899 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,280 >> Yes, sir. 900 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,599 >> The western end of the property. Does it 901 00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:32,320 go 902 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,640 >> It goes lower. Yeah, that's the highest 903 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,960 it ever is. So, it kind of go Sorry. It 904 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,960 kind of goes both ways that way. So, 905 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,400 it's not going to be as high as 906 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,320 possible, but uh that's all we, you 907 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:43,680 know, we try to make it as pretty as 908 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,640 possible. You know, we have the 909 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:45,680 buildings that are very nice, you know, 910 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,440 in the elevations that we we haven't 911 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000 really skipped on anything, so we can I 912 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,440 don't want to say distract from it, but, 913 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,599 you know, just really make the the best 914 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:54,480 of it. 915 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:59,599 >> All right. So, one of the things that I just wanted to ask about was um being 916 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,640 able to see back of house from all three 917 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,160 roads. 918 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:05,680 >> So, the renderings show a lot of 919 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,800 architectural detail. 920 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,359 >> Yes, sir. So that's going to be pretty 921 00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:10,480 >> Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. We did that 922 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,800 intentfully and and um you know, we 923 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,280 wanted to offer obviously even on the uh 924 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,599 the 925 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:16,720 >> not a blank wall. 926 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:18,800 >> Correct. Yes, sir. Yeah. Exactly. And 927 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:19,920 you know, we'll do the best we can with 928 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,359 the landscaping as well. Just we'll try 929 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:24,240 to make it as uh as obviously as nice as 930 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,920 possible. The idea was that it was 931 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,720 elevated. So, um you know, it's a little 932 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,000 less visible to begin with. We're going 933 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,400 to add some uh landscaping, but we added 934 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,480 the articulation on purpose so it's not 935 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,560 a flat wall like you would see normally. 936 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,400 Just to touch on that, just to expand 937 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,520 upon that too, John, you know, once it 938 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,200 gets through this portion of its review 939 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,200 sequence and it goes to the final 940 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,200 instruction, at that point, that's when 941 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,079 it goes beyond just renderings. We have 942 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,960 the actual architectural elevations to 943 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,960 show even more detail than what you're 944 00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880 seeing here to ensure that that, you 945 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,560 know, the breakup of that massing does 946 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,160 occur and you're not, as you say, 947 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,839 looking at the back of a house or 948 00:39:01,839 --> 00:39:04,960 essentially a cinder block wall. 949 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,670 Well, 950 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,000 as a developer, right? We when we when 951 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,599 we saw this, we were like, "This is this 952 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,839 is horrible." Um because it's very 953 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:15,920 expensive to build. This is extremely 954 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,599 expensive. This isn't something that you 955 00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,359 would go out and buy a piece of land and 956 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:21,119 start building walls and building 957 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,079 raising land. That's crazy. Um there was 958 00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,599 really no way around it in order to 959 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,359 develop it. But the the takeaway from it 960 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:29,280 from our perspective is it gives a real 961 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,520 intimate feel to the center. It's going 962 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,079 to give a very private intimate feel 963 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,320 almost like an oasis in a way because 964 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,839 you're you're raising the center up and 965 00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:40,480 you're kind of buffering out 50. So from 966 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,119 a perspective of being in the center I 967 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,560 think it's going to make the center you 968 00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,480 know quite attractive to be honest with 969 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,640 you. 970 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640 >> So you would have a 10ft wall at the 971 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,280 highest point and then a railing on top 972 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,270 of that 973 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:05,910 » maybe like 13 14t tall. at some point 974 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,920 » at the highest point which is at the far 975 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,920 eastern near the storm water pond it is 976 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,760 about 10 feet and that at this entrance 977 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,359 is it was around seven or eight feet 978 00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:15,760 here but yeah if the the fall distance 979 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,280 is more than 30 inches you need to have 980 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,760 a railing on it for safety reasons yeah 981 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680 it'll have at least a 42 inch railing on 982 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,400 top of that obviously we want it to look 983 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,480 good we'll pick some material and color 984 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:40,870 and product to look as good as it 985 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,359 So, [clears throat] um 986 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:45,359 I do I do like that it's going to be 987 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:49,280 like one story, a whole complex. Um is 988 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,839 that by design or is that by the land 989 00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:54,880 development code? 990 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,240 Okay. So you could actually 991 00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:03,520 go up. Okay. Because I mean to have some 992 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,000 of the eeries that y'all want there um 993 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,319 wasn't like a second story open patio 994 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,960 for some of the restaurants 995 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,349 proposed. 996 00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:23,760 But is it an actual total second story? 997 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,240 Just like the patio talk more about 998 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:31,829 >> Yes. 999 00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:34,240 » We all love rooftops, but here in 1000 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,079 Orlando, Central Florida, it's just not 1001 00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:38,640 as common yet. It's not like people 1002 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,480 can't think like like the consumer 1003 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,079 doesn't think, you know, con like 1004 00:41:42,079 --> 00:41:44,000 vertically, right? So like, I'm going to 1005 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,520 go to a second floor. It's just, you 1006 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,960 know, they want to be able to park right 1007 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,319 in front of their space and go right 1008 00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:49,599 into the business that they're going 1009 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,160 into. I would love to get rooftops in 1010 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,560 here or like a second story patio, but 1011 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,160 it's just not, you know, it's also very 1012 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,680 expensive. So, even for these 1013 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,280 restaurants for their buildout, like 1014 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,640 we're delivering, let's say, a shelf 1015 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,400 space, right? And then they have to do 1016 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,760 their buildout, they have to then 1017 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,160 account for vertical transportation, so 1018 00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,400 an elevator and stairway. And it's just 1019 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,160 very expensive. And with construction 1020 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,079 costs right now, it's just not, you 1021 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,319 know, it's not as as possible to get 1022 00:42:14,319 --> 00:42:15,760 something like that approved. Although, 1023 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:22,069 we would love to see it. 1024 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,960 I guess this question is for the lease. 1025 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,230 Um 1026 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,880 Oakland's name like this. 1027 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,119 Is that allowed to be put on any 1028 00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,319 business like 1029 00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:38,319 the Oakland Town Center? 1030 00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:41,680 >> So So you going to have your own 1031 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,480 rendering or can they incorporate? 1032 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,800 They they cannot without our permission 1033 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,800 because it's it's actually a protected 1034 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,599 logo. 1035 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:50,000 >> Okay. 1036 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:56,240 >> Um but I mean what they're doing is it's showing it's not a town 1037 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:01,040 space, right? But it also serves 1038 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,720 so it's a private it's a private 1039 00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,319 development. It but to me it also serves 1040 00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:08,880 as an entryway into the town of Oakland, 1041 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,280 right? So, it's showing I appreciate 1042 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,760 them using Oakland Town Center because 1043 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:18,000 it's you're entering and we've been having a hard time with this 1044 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,720 for a long period of time. Our placem 1045 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:23,200 for for our town is when do you know 1046 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,680 when you're in Oakland? And to me, this 1047 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,160 is like perfect, right? I mean, there's 1048 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:29,920 one other little development on the on 1049 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,480 the um east side, but other than that, 1050 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960 you're coming into Oakland. And so, 1051 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:35,520 yeah, 1052 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,280 >> this this shows you you're in Oakland 1053 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,079 now. 1054 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,800 And I just want to say um they've worked 1055 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,760 like Alex said a long time with us to to 1056 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,160 get to this point. So we've talked 1057 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,160 through it a lot of times internally 1058 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,520 staff um with staff to get to this point 1059 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,240 that they've that they've been able to 1060 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,319 come forward with. 1061 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:03,109 >> I like it a lot actually. 1062 00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,800 » Um 1063 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:13,670 you talk about the administration 1064 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,200 Yeah. Was was is there a question in 1065 00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,480 particular or 1066 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,599 >> Yeah. So the way that I understand it um 1067 00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,040 is that the town code is 60% 1068 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,599 administration 1069 00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,280 um an all public path. 1070 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,560 >> Is that right? 1071 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,000 >> Correct. Yeah. The your land development 1072 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,839 code. Yeah. I believe it's it's written 1073 00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,560 that I guess I'm wondering like as I'm 1074 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,640 looking at it, 1075 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,280 the building two and the building four, 1076 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,440 the faces that 1077 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,319 are towards Highway 50, that I can 1078 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:48,000 understand because it's going to be like 1079 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:53,440 10 feet in the air see it. Um but 1080 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,720 building eight and nine 1081 00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:01,839 the faces that are Catherine Ross Road 1082 00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:05,520 um they say 0% administration so it 1083 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,160 would look like a back of house but um 1084 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:14,800 to me that would be a public primary frontage 1085 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,319 I'm wondering like why 1086 00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:18,079 >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. No it's a good 1087 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:19,920 question. So the building A for 1088 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,920 instance, you know, it's it it only its 1089 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,240 side that actually butts up to um so and 1090 00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:25,839 then we do have some fenestration on 1091 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:28,720 that side. Um and as far as um you know, 1092 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,480 building 9, which is, you know, the one 1093 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,560 on Katherine Ross right up on the top 1094 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,079 right corner. Um there was there were 1095 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,280 several reasons, right? And and one of 1096 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,400 them was, you know, we wanted to stay 1097 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,800 consistent with the center. Um the 1098 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,599 second is you know we found that tenants 1099 00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,520 um and also guests you know if they park 1100 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,680 in the back like if you look at this one 1101 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,839 and if the access is on both sides in 1102 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:53,119 other words it would look the same on 1103 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,280 both sides where we would have same type 1104 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,720 of fenestration on each side. um one it 1105 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,640 gets a little bit confusing you know um 1106 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,119 second the tenants you know they want to 1107 00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:04,880 have a little bit of a delivery area 1108 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,000 right because you know they're bringing 1109 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,520 in whatever they're bringing so they 1110 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,640 might just want to keep it out of the 1111 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,319 site or you might have in a restaurant 1112 00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:11,839 you know employees going out back and 1113 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,200 you know have taken a break and stuff 1114 00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,720 like that so they kind of want to you 1115 00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:16,560 know want they want to use those areas 1116 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:21,119 so as you know um to keep with the 1117 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,440 consistency and to make it you know um 1118 00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,960 flow and actually it's a matter of cost 1119 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,880 as well you know because we we really do 1120 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,960 have to stay within reason. What we 1121 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,200 thought was a nice thing is if we did 1122 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,960 not provide, you know, that flat wall in 1123 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,119 the back. So, we actually kept the front 1124 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,040 and the back of the building look 1125 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,480 completely the same when it comes to the 1126 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,480 articulation. So, we're spending the 1127 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,400 same exact money and, you know, um we're 1128 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,920 going to put the landscaping buffer 1129 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,440 behind it and that will allow us to save 1130 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:48,720 a little bit of money, provide the 1131 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,079 tenants, you know, with an actual space 1132 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,079 that they can use. and our guests, you 1133 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,319 know, we believe that um they're going 1134 00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:56,800 to really come in from the center um 1135 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,160 whether on a bike, whether you know 1136 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,760 they're going to turn that corner, come 1137 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,520 on in and they're going to access it 1138 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,480 probably through the parking lot. So um 1139 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,800 we wanted to make it as beautiful as 1140 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,040 possible because you know most centers 1141 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,160 and that's why I think the gentleman 1142 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:11,520 asked you know is it going to be a flat 1143 00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,280 wall because that's what you normally 1144 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,920 see on the back of the house. So um I 1145 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,119 hope that answers your question. You 1146 00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,800 know we try to stay consistent. We, you 1147 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,480 know, try to, you know, keep our cost in 1148 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,240 line as well and um but still provide 1149 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:25,440 with some, you know, provide you with 1150 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,079 something 1151 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:28,960 >> aesthetically 1152 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,560 >> does 1153 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,400 and understand 1154 00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,440 >> um you have the tenants and you know the 1155 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,000 functionality of the space. 1156 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,839 Um I live on the other side of Oakland 1157 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,880 Avenue, so I love that we're connecting 1158 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560 the 50 here. I I do wish or I I hope 1159 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,960 that um there's a focus for the 1160 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,480 pedestrian traffic on Catherine Ross 1161 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,240 Road 1162 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,800 um and how those buildings interact 1163 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,200 sidewalk. Well, yes, and we we do have 1164 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,800 and of course, you know, the the city 1165 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,319 sidewalk, it's a little beyond our 1166 00:48:06,319 --> 00:48:08,640 control, but as far as our center uh 1167 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,319 walkability and pedestrian everything 1168 00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:12,800 was designed to to pedestrian scale, our 1169 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,400 penistration or everything, you know, 1170 00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,319 the articulation, everything everything. 1171 00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:18,400 So, you know, we want you to feel good 1172 00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,480 in there. And that's why Alex's point, I 1173 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,079 think we made that wall work in our 1174 00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:23,839 favor because now everything faces 1175 00:48:23,839 --> 00:48:26,000 inwards rather than, you know, 250. And 1176 00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,440 as much as we love 50, it's really not 1177 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,599 that pretty regardless. So now you're 1178 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:30,960 going to have this walkable and that's 1179 00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,599 why we sacrificed a lot of um uh square 1180 00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:36,079 footage for open areas. You know, we we 1181 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:38,640 split up all these buildings and um and 1182 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,160 even to the variance that Taylor spoke 1183 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,680 of um up to what was it 250 ft um 1184 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,960 actually if you look at I don't believe 1185 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,240 any of our buildings are even close to 1186 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,559 that. I think our largest one it's 170 1187 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,640 because we've cut them up and we've 1188 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,440 added you know 17,000 square feet of u 1189 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,720 of green space. So 1190 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,640 that's uh the long and the short of it. 1191 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:04,000 >> So with the fenistration uh like 1192 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,559 building one, three and five, there's a 1193 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,520 lot of parking behind that. So it's not 1194 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,240 a closed book right now. There could be 1195 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:14,559 entrances to some of those buildings 1196 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:17,040 back there or there. 1197 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,800 Do you have to walk around? 1198 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,480 >> No. If you park there, you would walk uh 1199 00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,839 well, if you look at buildings one and 1200 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:23,359 three, they have that courtyard. So 1201 00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:24,559 that's specifically designed for 1202 00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,280 pedestrian access. Um you I think it's a 1203 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,680 25 or 30 foot wide courtyard and the 1204 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,559 same length because we wanted um guests 1205 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,000 when they park back there to be able to 1206 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:34,640 walk. 1207 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,000 >> Building five. Yeah, sure. They'll have 1208 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,200 to walk a little bit around it. But um 1209 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,960 uh yes, and even in those buildings, 1210 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,000 just so you'll know, although they're 1211 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:43,920 facing the dry retention, we still have 1212 00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,119 the pretty same articulation on front 1213 00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:48,559 and back. So even if you park back 1214 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:49,760 there, you're still not looking at this 1215 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:50,559 ugly flat wall. 1216 00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:51,839 >> No, I didn't. Yeah, 1217 00:49:51,839 --> 00:49:55,359 >> that definitely or no. 1218 00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:58,400 Um, also looking at the map, um, it 1219 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,480 looks to me that this is at the rear of 1220 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,000 the school. And I don't know if this is 1221 00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,720 on the town side or the developer side, 1222 00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:10,319 but 1223 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:15,440 um I I do think there should be more 1224 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,359 vegetation 1225 00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:19,839 because 1226 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:21,760 from the rear of the school, you would 1227 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,280 be you would be looking into this 1228 00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,280 commercial area and I think it kind of 1229 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,200 kills like 1230 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,960 the courtyard of the school. Um 1231 00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,800 >> I believe there's a road between us too. 1232 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,000 Perhaps you can 1233 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,599 >> there there's so all of the fields are 1234 00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,480 between the school and Saddler and 1235 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,920 Saddler eventually will go through and 1236 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,079 we want to use that potentially to loop 1237 00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:48,640 the cars around a bigger loop to get 1238 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,119 some of that traffic off of off of the 1239 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:54,160 other roads. So um you know this is kind 1240 00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:57,040 of a master plan, right? Um so there 1241 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,040 will be probably some vegetation more on 1242 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,839 the school side, but we'll be working on 1243 00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:02,960 that. 1244 00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,240 makes sense. I I think I'd like to 1245 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:08,720 see like more of a visual barrier 1246 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:14,549 between the school and the commercial. 1247 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,000 » Yeah. And naturally, I think we'll have, 1248 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,920 you know, the required, you know, trees 1249 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,359 and everything that's per code. So, 1250 00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:20,319 there will be, it's not like it's going 1251 00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:22,640 to be bare, so don't picture that. um 1252 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:23,760 you know there are requirements and I 1253 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,559 don't know off the top of my head 1254 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:25,599 because I don't specialize in 1255 00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,200 landscaping but you know you have to 1256 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,880 have trees every certain feet and you 1257 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,240 have to have so those obviously will be 1258 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:31,760 in place you know as part of our 1259 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,040 agreement and everything so it's not 1260 00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,720 like it's going to be like a you know 1261 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:41,040 like a bowling alley or just an empty field in any stretch and that goes for the center in general you 1262 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,079 know what I mean as a whole not just 1263 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:43,119 that 1264 00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:44,319 >> Matthew would you actually mind 1265 00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:49,670 switching over to the landscape plan 1266 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,160 just to get a sense these are there is 1267 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,079 per there are particular requirements 1268 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,520 for um commercial for buffering of 1269 00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,400 commercial properties and you can see um 1270 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,240 every circle yeah 12t wide landscape 1271 00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:06,000 buffer there between that drive aisle 1272 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,960 and the proposed public road that's 1273 00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,800 >> then we clustered plantings within the 1274 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,200 dry pond in those pockets 1275 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,480 is there a particular area that's 1276 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,800 >> um 1277 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,359 >> missing in your your vision on this 1278 00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:22,240 >> no I just think along the north side to 1279 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:27,280 me like I would prefer like a full row 1280 00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,079 of trees, you know, and from what I 1281 00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,480 could tell on the agenda, it looks like 1282 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,640 they're taking out all of the existing 1283 00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,680 trees. So, these would be new new plant 1284 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,280 new planted trees. Um, so I guess when I 1285 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,160 see this, I'm picturing like smaller 1286 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,520 trees, you know, 1287 00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,480 >> and the tree removal is the topography 1288 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,160 we talked about earlier. It's just 1289 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,160 physically impossible to save the 1290 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,670 changing grade. 1291 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,119 I don't I don't think there'd be any 1292 00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:01,040 issues with us continuing the planting 1293 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:02,880 row there. See where there's a gap 1294 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,079 before it gets to where the driveway 1295 00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,200 connection is by that L104 label. I 1296 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,119 think we could add a few there. when we 1297 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:10,400 move towards final design, just 1298 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,760 obviously site visibility. There's a 1299 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,280 driveway entry there, but beyond that, 1300 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,640 not 1301 00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,079 >> and certainly something, you know, we 1302 00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:18,079 would have to during a final engineering 1303 00:53:18,079 --> 00:53:19,839 review be mindful with our landscape 1304 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,280 architect team because there is a point 1305 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,599 where you saturate too many trees to 1306 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,040 create a row and now all of a sudden 1307 00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,400 none of them can survive because they're 1308 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,040 competing for similar resources. So we 1309 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,880 it is something we can consider if the 1310 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,880 applicant group does propose a more 1311 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,280 robust tree line along that northern 1312 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,440 boundary, but it would be done in a way 1313 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,520 to ensure that the survival and the 1314 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,160 function of that area reaches its full 1315 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,359 potential. 1316 00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:45,599 >> Like for you to consider the view from 1317 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,599 the school, from the playground, from 1318 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:49,280 the courtyard. 1319 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,880 Um I think their main parking is 1320 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,880 the north west of this site. So yeah, I 1321 00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,880 think just as long as you're mindful of 1322 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,319 their view 1323 00:54:00,319 --> 00:54:16,549 >> certainly 1324 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,559 just um I guess one question about the 1325 00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,359 signage. Um 1326 00:54:21,359 --> 00:54:23,599 when I was reading through it, uh having 1327 00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,480 the two signs made total sense um 1328 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,400 because they're two different roads. 1329 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,000 You're coming in from Cir. You're coming 1330 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,119 in on 50. 1331 00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:34,160 >> But the third one, um 1332 00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,640 I'm not opposed to it, but we haven't 1333 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,359 really heard any reasoning 1334 00:54:39,359 --> 00:54:41,680 why other than just is this going to 1335 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,599 have tenant names on it also, or is it 1336 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,280 just going to say Oakland Town Center 7? 1337 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,040 So the way we have it proposed that only 1338 00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,800 has four tenant names and we thought you 1339 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,359 know if we have u some anchor tenants 1340 00:54:51,359 --> 00:54:53,680 and I'm just throwing a name here like a 1341 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,200 let's say Trader Joe's or whatever I 1342 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,200 don't know something like that. Um you 1343 00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,200 know we would offer that. Um but the 1344 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,839 main reason we actually put that um that 1345 00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:04,319 there is is to be more like a gateway. 1346 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:07,599 it it's uh it's more of like you know 1347 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,240 welcome to it's like welcome to the to 1348 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:11,599 the town center to Oakland Town Center 1349 00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:13,760 and also welcome to to Oakland because 1350 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,319 the point made earlier I think you know 1351 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:17,520 you could probably agree that that's 1352 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,920 going to be one of the main access 1353 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,760 points into Oakland once Katherine Ross 1354 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,920 is completed. So um it will announce our 1355 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,280 center but it will announce your town 1356 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,480 too. And you know we wanted to put 1357 00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,079 something that you'll be proud of that 1358 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:29,839 we'll be proud of. It's not something 1359 00:55:29,839 --> 00:55:33,119 that's gonna bring us a lot of, 1360 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,960 you know, what should I call it? 1361 00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:47,510 >> Yeah. 1362 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,359 » Not assigned, 1363 00:55:49,359 --> 00:56:04,069 >> right? 1364 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:05,760 that sign 1365 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,920 >> and it's going to be at a 45. 1366 00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,680 >> That's the plan. Yeah. At about a 45 and 1367 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,960 it'll be, you know, set back a little 1368 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,319 bit from the intersection and, you know, 1369 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:13,520 that's why we wanted to be a little more 1370 00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:14,720 prominent, too. So, when you drive 1371 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:16,240 there, you can see it and it's a 1372 00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:17,520 reference point as to Oakland, a 1373 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,280 reference point to the center. Um, and 1374 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:20,559 we thought it would be a benefit, you 1375 00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:27,030 know, for for for all of us. 1376 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:27,920 Well, 1377 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:28,960 >> it would sit back. 1378 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,760 >> Yeah, back. 1379 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,200 >> Yeah, it's exactly 1380 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:43,589 >> above the 1381 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:45,920 » old black line. That's where the the 1382 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,640 retaining wall that runs along 50. It 1383 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,359 turns north and then heads east to 1384 00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:52,960 connect to Katherine Ross. So that keeps 1385 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,720 the whole site and that dry retention up 1386 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,839 high. But that triangularish storm water 1387 00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:59,280 pond, that's really down at grade 1388 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,440 because that is an actual wet pond. When 1389 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,799 you get to that corner where Kathern 1390 00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:04,559 Ross meets 50, that's all all those 1391 00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:05,920 improvements in that wet pond are going 1392 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,720 to be down at grade. 1393 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,079 Yeah, basically. Yeah. So 1394 00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,160 when you come in, 1395 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,480 yeah, you'll see 1396 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,720 as you're heading westward on 50, you'll 1397 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,480 see Katherine Ross intersect. You're on 1398 00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,960 50 at grade. You see a a pond at eye 1399 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,119 level, signage at eye level. Then you'll 1400 00:57:25,119 --> 00:57:26,799 see the the on bordered with the 1401 00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:46,069 retaining wall and the site above it. 1402 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:52,230 Anybody else have anything? 1403 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:59,270 Thank you. Thank you. 1404 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,200 » Do any members have any questions or 1405 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:06,069 comments? 1406 00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:07,839 Is there anyone present who would like 1407 00:58:07,839 --> 00:58:10,160 to speak on this item? I will close the 1408 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:12,640 floor. 1409 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,079 >> Do any members have any further 1410 00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,109 comments? 1411 00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:20,480 » Um I guess yeah. But this is more for 1412 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,200 police. Um it's So it's going to be 1413 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,760 Saddler Avenue. 1414 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,880 >> Yes. Yes. 1415 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,440 >> Um so is it going to stop or is it going 1416 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,160 to connect to Saddler Avenue? West 1417 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:32,880 Saddler. 1418 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,960 >> I don't think it can go all the way 1419 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,160 there. I think it'll stop, but it'll 1420 00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,240 pick up on the other side then. 1421 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:42,000 >> Okay. 1422 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,480 >> There's no way to get them connected. I 1423 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,640 don't think we have property to connect 1424 00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,680 it over there. We'll continue to look at 1425 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,280 it, but right now I don't think there's 1426 00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:51,760 a way to 1427 00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,599 >> I still would like to see hull 1428 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:54,799 connected. 1429 00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:56,640 >> Yeah, I understand. 1430 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,280 >> It makes total sense for everything 1431 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,160 we're trying to do in that whole 1432 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,040 corridor. 1433 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:03,440 >> Yeah, 1434 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,960 >> makes total sense. But okay, I have 1435 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:11,680 nothing. I I like it. I like everything. 1436 00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,839 >> Can I have a motion? 1437 00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,720 I'll make a motion to accept uh 1438 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,680 ordinance number 2026-05, the Oakland 1439 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,280 Town Center resoning development 1440 00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,200 agreement and preliminary subdivision 1441 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:24,720 plan 1442 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:27,359 uh as presented. 1443 00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:28,960 >> All in favor? 1444 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:29,599 >> I. 1445 00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:33,839 >> Any opposed? Motion passes. 1446 00:59:33,839 --> 00:59:39,640 This meeting is adjourned at 7:30 p.m.