[0:17] I will call to order the appearance
[0:18] review board meeting on August 4th,
[0:21] 2026. Let's stand for the pledge of
[0:23] allegiance.
[0:49] me.
[0:49] >> Member Balcom
[0:52] >> present.
[0:54] >> Chair Grimes
[0:56] >> present.
[0:57] >> Vice Chair Gil
[0:58] >> present.
[1:00] >> Member Kettle is absent. Member Rain is
[1:02] absent.
[1:06] Is there anyone present who would like
[1:08] to speak?
[1:10] I will close the floor.
[1:14] Um, approval of the minutes from June
[1:16] 2nd, 2026. Are there any questions or
[1:19] comments on the minutes?
[1:24] » Can I have a motion?
[1:28] » I'll make a motion to approve the
[1:30] minutes of the June 2nd, 2026 meeting.
[1:34] Second.
[1:35] >> All in favor?
[1:37] >> I.
[1:38] >> Any opposed?
[1:40] Motion passes.
[1:43] » Um the new business. This item it is for
[1:47] ordinance 20265
[1:49] Oakland Town Center resoning development
[1:52] agreement and preliminary subdivision
[1:54] plan.
[1:56] Yes. An ordinance of the town of
[1:58] Oakland, Florida, adopting a town
[1:59] official zoning map amendment from C1
[2:02] Commercial General within the urban
[2:04] corridor design district to PUB Plan
[2:07] Yune Development within the urban
[2:09] corridor design district for certain
[2:11] real property owned by Oakland Town
[2:13] Center LLC, generally located on the
[2:16] north side of State Road 50 at the
[2:18] northwest corner of the intersection of
[2:20] State Road 50 and Katherine Ross Road,
[2:23] as more particularly described herein
[2:26] with an approximate size of 14.80 acres,
[2:30] approving a development agreement
[2:31] between the property owner and the town
[2:33] of Oakland, and approving a preliminary
[2:36] subdivision plan, making findings, and
[2:38] providing for conflicts, severability,
[2:40] and an effective date.
[3:11] Good evening, members of the ARB. It's
[3:12] good to be back before you guys again to
[3:14] talk about the Oakland Town Center.
[3:17] Before we get into specifics, we'll go
[3:18] into a little bit of background
[3:20] regarding the actual property itself.
[3:22] So, without going through all of the
[3:25] actual numbers, this property is
[3:26] comprised of five distinct existing
[3:28] parcels of land totaling about 14.8
[3:32] acres. It contains both a commercial
[3:35] future land use classification and
[3:37] zoning district. And it is located
[3:38] within the town's urban corridor design
[3:40] district. And as mentioned in the
[3:43] reading of the ordinance, the purpose of
[3:44] this is to
[3:46] an all-encompassing package, but the
[3:48] first and foremost is to reszone the
[3:51] property from its existing commercial
[3:53] zoning district to a planned unit
[3:55] development. As part of that planned
[3:57] unit development is the development
[4:00] agreement which governs and creates the
[4:02] regulations, standards, what is and is
[4:04] not allowed on the property. And with
[4:06] that development agreement then if we're
[4:08] going down to the third layer is the
[4:10] associated preliminary subdivision plan
[4:12] which the purpose would be to um serve
[4:16] as the template when if and when it
[4:18] comes through for final construction
[4:20] review by the town. So that's a little
[4:22] bit of a background of what we're here
[4:24] reviewing tonight.
[4:26] Looking at the site location map, the
[4:28] property is bordered on the east by
[4:30] Katherine Ross Road. And the little
[4:32] cutout here you can see is um just for
[4:35] spatial references, the tractor supply
[4:38] store there. And you can see the current
[4:41] five parcel configuration.
[4:48] So what actually comprises the Oakland
[4:50] Town Center is 11 singlestory commercial
[4:53] buildings that vary in size from
[4:56] approximately 10,000 foot multi-tenant
[4:59] buildings all the way down to a 12
[5:00] approximately 1,200 foot drive-thru
[5:03] building. In total all the buildings
[5:05] comprise of 84,020
[5:07] square feet and is accessed via five
[5:10] distinct points. And you can see one off
[5:13] of State directly off State Road 50, two
[5:16] off of Katherine Ross Road, and one off
[5:19] the side street directly in front of the
[5:22] um tractor supply parking lot. You'll
[5:25] notice here as part of and it is
[5:27] indicated on the um provided preliminary
[5:30] subdivision plan, part of this project
[5:32] would comprise of the construction of a
[5:35] connecting roadway here. And you can see
[5:38] this red area to be constructed by the
[5:40] developer and eventually once
[5:42] constructed it would be dedicated to the
[5:44] town as public rightway as a
[5:46] transportation improvement.
[5:51] So here is a general overview of the
[5:53] plan. It will become important um in a
[5:56] few slides but just take note of the
[5:58] specific location and orientation of
[6:01] buildings because we are going to go
[6:03] building by building and discuss what
[6:05] each of these is to look like. So, I'll
[6:08] jump back and forth if needed, but just
[6:10] get a general sense of the layout of and
[6:12] configuration of the buildings you see
[6:14] on the site plan.
[6:16] And tying to that, we also have the
[6:19] associated landscape plan. And it is
[6:21] these two things together, including
[6:23] details such as drainage, utility
[6:25] connections, things such as that. All of
[6:27] this together comprise the preliminary
[6:29] subdivision plan that is before you and
[6:31] subject to this ordinance development
[6:33] agreement and associated plan
[6:35] development.
[6:40] So continuing on the overview, as
[6:43] mentioned, there is a governing
[6:44] development agreement which creates a
[6:47] specific set of standards and
[6:49] regulations that in some cases may
[6:51] differ from what the general land
[6:52] development code um requires or can be
[6:55] more restrictive. As an example,
[6:59] specific uses that are permitted within
[7:02] the planned unit develop include, as you
[7:04] can see here, commercial, retail, office
[7:06] uses, restaurants with no more than one
[7:09] drive-thru is all that's being permitted
[7:11] within this developed project,
[7:13] educational, and clinic uses. So, it is
[7:15] a full gamut of potential uses that
[7:17] could go into um this project as
[7:20] governed by the development agreement.
[7:22] There is also a specific prohibition on
[7:24] a couple of uses. Both tobacco, smoke
[7:27] shops, marijuana dispensaries, those are
[7:30] in the agreement and baked in that they
[7:32] cannot apologize for the pun cannot go
[7:36] into the um the subject site. There are
[7:39] also, which are separate from the
[7:41] specific deviations that are being
[7:42] requested before you as the ARB tonight,
[7:45] certain standards, as I mentioned, that
[7:47] do differ slightly from what the general
[7:49] code requires and were negotiated as
[7:51] part of the development agreement
[7:52] drafting process. As an example,
[7:56] the um the development agreement does
[7:58] permit the maximum width of the
[8:00] commercial buildings to go up to 240 um
[8:03] liner feet as opposed to believe it's
[8:06] 150 as per regulated by the code. that
[8:08] was negotiated and agreed to by the two
[8:10] parties. And that is in the development
[8:12] agreement that is included as part of
[8:14] your packet.
[8:17] And as mentioned, the the entirety of
[8:19] the preliminary subdivision plan is
[8:21] incorporated as an exhibit to this
[8:23] development agreement and will be, as I
[8:26] mentioned, the governing reference
[8:27] document for final engineering and
[8:30] construction plan review by the entirety
[8:33] of the town review team. So I think
[8:34] that's an important thing to note is the
[8:38] this is a preliminary subdivision plan.
[8:40] This is not a final approval. We if and
[8:44] when it gets through the sequence it
[8:45] will still need to go before the town to
[8:47] ensure that all the design elements in
[8:50] regard to engineering landscaping are
[8:52] installed properly. all of those
[8:54] elements including any outside permits
[8:57] that are required whether it be with the
[8:58] water management district panelis or
[9:00] sorry it's my old life orange county
[9:03] fire and etc etc.
[9:11] So, as the appearance reviewer, as the
[9:13] appearance review board, you are um
[9:16] certain deviations can be asked of you
[9:18] from the specific standards of the um
[9:21] the town's design districts, certain
[9:23] variances or dimensional changes. And
[9:28] as the ARB, you do review propo
[9:30] proposals to ensure that they confirm
[9:32] conform to the intent and purpose of
[9:34] each of the town's design districts. The
[9:37] applicant group did provide a list of
[9:40] specific requests and uh specific
[9:42] deviations that they are seeking from
[9:44] the code. And as I did mention to each
[9:46] of you when you came in, the initial um
[9:50] deviation letters that you received were
[9:52] the were a previous draft of the of the
[9:55] request and the final version is what
[9:58] has been presented to you. The only
[10:00] difference is the in terms of the
[10:03] signage and we'll actually get into the
[10:04] next slide and kind of transition that
[10:06] better. So this remains the same. Um per
[10:10] the LDC 60% of the building is required
[10:13] to be transparent whether it be through
[10:16] doors, windows etc. 60% of commercial
[10:19] buildings are required to be transparent
[10:22] and not just solid mass blank walls.
[10:24] What has been proposed by the applicant
[10:26] group is what's known as the pedestrian
[10:28] uh transparency method which the stated
[10:32] intent is to really facilitate that more
[10:34] ground level design and change the way
[10:37] that that calculation is um I guess is
[10:41] perceived more from a pedestrian level
[10:44] rather than you know somebody going by
[10:46] on the turnpike for example.
[10:49] And as you and now the next two are in
[10:52] relation to signage. So, per the land
[10:54] development code, each developed piece
[10:57] of property is permitted a single ground
[10:59] sign. Um, as part of the development,
[11:03] the applicant is requesting three ground
[11:05] signs. And I have a um I have a
[11:09] rendering of one type of the sign. The
[11:11] applicant group is intending to have
[11:13] their own presentation. You will see the
[11:15] a better layout than what is in my own
[11:17] presentation.
[11:19] And in addition to that, for each one of
[11:21] those um two of those ground signs, the requested deviation would be to take
[11:28] the minimum or the maximum sign area, I
[11:30] should say, from 48 ft per the LDC
[11:33] standards to a maximum sign area of 51
[11:37] square feet. For the third sign, there
[11:39] is no requested deviation from the code
[11:40] requirements.
[11:44] Now, we will go into architectural
[11:46] design. So, as I mentioned, I will go
[11:49] back and forth if needed, but
[11:54] so building B1.
[11:57] Actually, Kathy, would you mind if I get
[11:59] the keyboard? That might be helpful for
[12:01] this.
[12:07] So, this building type is one of I go
[12:11] back to the site plan. So, this building
[12:14] here is one of these. If you guys can
[12:16] see my mouse, it's one of the ones that
[12:18] do not have direct frontage on State
[12:20] Road 50 or Katherine Ross Road. It is uh
[12:23] tucked in behind the primary frontage
[12:25] buildings. And that one
[12:28] is the first elevation set we're looking
[12:32] at.
[12:33] And again, it should be noted that these
[12:35] are preliminary renderings. These are
[12:36] not the formal official elevations that
[12:39] would need to be reviewed as part of the
[12:41] building permitting process.
[12:47] So looking at this, this is B, this is
[12:49] building B2. This is one of the two, uh primary
[12:54] building masses that are going to be
[12:56] fronting along State Road 50.
[13:04] We have here building B3. This one is
[13:07] directly adjacent to that first set of
[13:10] buildings tucked behind the primary
[13:13] fronting buildings on State Road 50.
[13:20] This one is building B4. This is the
[13:23] building to the east which is also
[13:26] directly fronting State Road 50.
[13:35] This one here is building B5, which is
[13:39] another one of the buildings that will
[13:41] be tucked in to the um tucked in behind
[13:45] those buildings that are directly
[13:46] fronting along State Road 50.
[13:54] This is building B6. This is the
[13:56] building, if you're looking at your site
[13:57] plan, that is turned sideways and faces
[14:00] Katherine Ross Road.
[14:09] Looking at building B7, this is um guess
[14:14] the only way really to show you is to go
[14:16] back to the site plan. So B7
[14:20] is apologize.
[14:24] Building B7. This is seven and eight. So
[14:27] just for reference points, these are
[14:29] these two buildings that are facing
[14:30] sideways with their sides facing
[14:32] Katherine Ross Road.
[14:35] I'll go back to those.
[14:54] Let's get my number here.
[15:04] 60. Apologize everyone.
[15:10] Okay. So then, as I said, that was B7.
[15:14] And then B8. Very similar. They're these
[15:16] buildings are right next to each other,
[15:17] so they do have similar elevations.
[15:21] And then finally, we get to B9. And this
[15:25] is the building that has the most direct
[15:27] frontage directly against Katherine Ross
[15:29] Road.
[15:32] And if you notice on the site plan,
[15:34] there are the two um smaller standalone
[15:37] buildings. These are the two um they're
[15:40] listed, I believe, on the site plan as
[15:42] OP1 and OP2. This is the first building.
[15:45] You can see it's a two tenants two
[15:47] tenant building. And this is also
[15:49] fronting State Road 50. And as
[15:51] mentioned, there is only one permitted
[15:53] drive-thru um per the development
[15:56] agreement. And this is the preliminary
[15:58] rendering of that singular drive-thru
[16:01] facility.
[16:03] Thank you for bearing with me as we went
[16:05] back and forth with the elevations on
[16:06] there. I'm happy to go back and at any
[16:08] of those once we're done with this
[16:09] presentation.
[16:16] And as I mentioned, this was the sign
[16:19] subject to the original request that you
[16:21] received for two monument signs instead
[16:23] of one. These would be located, if
[16:25] you're looking at the site plan, on the
[16:27] primary entrance along State Road 50.
[16:30] And then the second one would be on the
[16:33] entryway to Katherine Ross Road. But the
[16:35] applicant group during their
[16:36] presentation will show you on their site
[16:39] plan where that third um I guess you can
[16:42] call it a keynote sign would be located
[16:45] at the intersection of those two roads.
[16:52] So as noted this project is proposed to
[16:54] be located within the town's urban
[16:56] corridor design district the with the
[16:58] intent of AC which the intent of which
[17:01] is to accommodate mixeduse projects of
[17:04] and larger scale developments. Staff did
[17:07] find during our analysis that the
[17:08] proposed development is consistent with
[17:10] the intent and purpose of the urban
[17:11] corridor design district um by creating
[17:15] com largescale commercial uses with
[17:17] local and regional accessibility given
[17:19] its proximity to a very busy commercial
[17:23] thoroughare project would also
[17:25] facilitate the redevelopment of an
[17:27] underutilized vacant property with
[17:29] difficult topography and terrain which
[17:30] I'm sure the applicant group might get
[17:32] into during their presentation and of
[17:34] course the develment could promote
[17:37] remote economic investment and support
[17:39] job creation within the town relative to
[17:41] a vacant piece of land.
[17:45] So based on this, staff does find the
[17:47] proposed Oakland Town Center as
[17:48] presented substantially compliant with
[17:50] the town of Oakland's land development
[17:52] code and the design district
[17:54] requirements. Um and do recommend
[17:57] approval of ordinance 20265
[18:00] and provide that as is provided with
[18:02] this agenda item. Apologize, it's really
[18:04] hot in here. And um the applicant group
[18:08] also has their own presentation that
[18:10] they're that they um have queued up, but
[18:13] before we get to them, if you have any
[18:14] questions for me, that concludes staff's
[18:16] presentation. And thank you for your
[18:17] time.
[18:33] I I don't have anything. I'm going to
[18:35] wait for their presentation and then
[18:40] go from there. Thank you guys.
[18:44] Well, good evening. Thanks y'all for the
[18:46] record. Logan Obsol Lounge Law Firm, 215
[18:48] North Yola Drive. Uh we we brought the
[18:51] whole project team for you and so really
[18:53] appreciate Taylor going in depth with
[18:55] staff presentation. We intend to do the
[18:57] same. hopefully kind of anticipating
[18:58] your questions um and so we can get all
[19:01] those answered at the forefront. Um but
[19:03] before I begin, I just want to bring up
[19:04] Alex Ree uh the applicant who uh wanted
[19:07] to just introduce himself as well.
[19:10] >> Hi, my name is Alex Ree and uh I've
[19:13] thoroughly enjoyed working with your
[19:14] town on this project. This project has
[19:16] been a long time coming. It has been a a
[19:20] monster project really. Uh, I think that
[19:23] we felt like there was a vision here off
[19:26] of uh, Highway 50 10 years ago and we
[19:30] saw the growth with Winter Garden and
[19:32] Claremont and some of the towns that
[19:34] you're surrounded by. We felt like that
[19:36] there was a a real possibility that this
[19:39] area could uh could grow into an area
[19:42] where people would want to lease product
[19:44] here. And
[19:47] we went through this process with St.
[19:48] John's water management. And uh I
[19:51] digress here, but it was a very long
[19:52] arduous process because we had to
[19:54] mitigate an acre and a quarter of land
[19:57] on the on the site. I tell you guys this
[20:00] because over the time period, this area
[20:02] has gotten more and more and more robust
[20:05] in terms of what we can build here. Now,
[20:08] so what kind of started out is as is
[20:10] maybe something that would support well
[20:12] something very much like Schmidt
[20:14] Construction has across the street,
[20:16] which was it was never really all that
[20:18] glamorous to me. The rents now in the
[20:21] area plus uh just the just the trips per
[20:25] day support something quite different,
[20:27] something that I'm very excited to bring
[20:29] to you guys today. Um it's going to be
[20:31] an incredible project. I mean, we're
[20:33] trying to do something very much like a
[20:34] winter garden feel or a winter park feel
[20:37] to this. Um, it's uh we've I think the
[20:41] biggest thing that I'm the most proud of
[20:43] is the team that we've assembled. Okay.
[20:45] So, uh Brent who's with Kimley Horn, who
[20:48] I believe works with your town, is just
[20:50] in incredible. He's an incredible
[20:52] partner for us. He's done an incredible
[20:54] job working with St. John's Water
[20:55] Management. Bobby who works with Gemini
[20:57] is not here tonight, but I think you
[20:59] guys know him through Steve Healey and
[21:01] some of the projects that he's done.
[21:03] He's another incredible incredible
[21:05] asset. Alexi is uh just a leasing and
[21:08] guru. I mean, she deals with a lot of
[21:10] different
[21:12] tenants that we think are going to fit
[21:13] very nicely here from an organic craft
[21:17] feel that I think is going to give you a luxurious kind of feel to the town
[21:21] center. You know, we're not looking to
[21:23] do a cookie cutter town center here. And
[21:25] then I would like to also point out uh
[21:27] Costell Benurro who is uh in-house
[21:30] design with me. He handles a lot of our
[21:33] in-house stuff and and has done just an
[21:35] exceptional job working with this. Logan
[21:38] behind me works with a a young woman
[21:39] named Tara Tedro who's also just an
[21:42] incredible part of our team. Just
[21:43] incredible. And then Amanda Sheffield
[21:46] who's our superintendent. So it's been a
[21:48] real process getting here. I've really
[21:50] though thoroughly enjoyed working with
[21:52] you guys and I look forward to
[21:53] presenting the the project to you
[21:54] tonight and hopefully you guys will like
[21:56] it as much as we do.
[21:59] >> Thanks, Alex. So, I hate it when that
[22:02] happens, right? We'll we'll we'll dive
[22:03] in. Um and and again, appreciate the
[22:05] depth since we're here at ARB. Wanted to
[22:08] give you some appearances and give you
[22:09] some of these pictures. So, over the
[22:11] course of the next three hours, you'll
[22:13] hear from I'm just kidding. So, uh want
[22:16] to give you some renderings of the
[22:17] project itself. Um, I think Alex did a
[22:20] great job of touching on the quality in
[22:21] which we're trying to instill, but this
[22:23] is the Oakland Town Center. I mean,
[22:24] Oakland has its own unique brand, and
[22:26] this is an opportunity to capture that.
[22:29] Um, and so this is a what we've done. We
[22:33] have an assemblage of 11 different
[22:35] buildings, almost 50, more than 50 uh
[22:37] tenant opportunities. And you'll see
[22:40] throughout these pictures kind of a
[22:41] thoughtful design of breaking up what we're used to seeing, providing
[22:45] courtyards, connectivity, uh the type of
[22:48] things that Oakland's become accustomed
[22:50] to. And here's some of those features
[22:53] that you have with the fountains and
[22:54] some gathering places. We're not just
[22:56] foc focusing on, you know, the proper
[23:00] traffic and vehicular uh
[23:03] safety and and how those all interact
[23:06] with the buildings, but also
[23:08] walkability.
[23:09] And how we're doing that is is having
[23:12] things like these unique lightings,
[23:14] umbrellas, you saw some of the water
[23:15] features designed around the movement
[23:18] and, you know, people utilize their golf
[23:20] carts, a lot of connectivity with the
[23:22] town. And so this project really focuses
[23:25] on those characteristics that make
[23:27] Oakland special.
[23:29] Um, we're going to talk a little bit
[23:30] about the signage, but I think this is a
[23:32] good place to just hand over briefly to
[23:35] Alexi. You can talk a little bit about
[23:37] the tenants and what we're looking to to
[23:39] gather in this place. Um, if you want
[23:41] to.
[23:46] » Hi guys, thank you for your time. Um so
[23:49] we are really trying to you know bring
[23:52] tenants in that are going to be
[23:53] community centric right so not just all
[23:55] your national brands but we want to
[23:57] create a really curated mix of tenants.
[23:59] So new tomarket restaurants but then
[24:01] also local brands that are you know very
[24:04] popular that people know of. Um fitness
[24:06] health and wellness is a really
[24:08] important category I think for Oakland
[24:10] in general but in general health and
[24:12] wellness category is a huge category now
[24:14] that's growing a lot. Um, and then you
[24:16] know your not just your basic coffee
[24:17] shop, but something that makes you want
[24:18] to sit there and work for a couple hours
[24:20] and it's really community centric and
[24:22] where people meet and spend time. And
[24:24] that's the whole idea behind Oakland
[24:26] Town Center. We're not just creating,
[24:28] you know, another shopping center, but
[24:29] it's a sense of place, right? We're
[24:30] placemaking. And so in order to do that,
[24:32] we need those outdoor spaces, those, you
[24:35] know, beautiful facades. Signage is
[24:37] super important for these brands that
[24:38] we're trying to bring into the market.
[24:40] Um, and we've had to do that on several
[24:42] other projects, too. but to be able to
[24:44] get their attention on projects like
[24:46] this. These are the things that we kind
[24:47] of need. For example, some of the
[24:48] tenants that we're talking to that we're
[24:50] looking at bringing is concepts like
[24:52] Motech and Man out of and Pure Vita.
[24:55] Those are all out of South Florida, New
[24:56] York, but they're actively looking in
[24:58] Winter Garden right now and there's very
[25:00] little space in Winter Garden. So,
[25:02] Oakland is a great opportunity for them
[25:04] to kind of service that Winter Garden
[25:06] need and the Claremont need when there's
[25:08] very little space. Oakland fills that
[25:11] for for these brands. Um, and so as
[25:14] they're actively looking, this is our
[25:15] chance to present to brands like that.
[25:17] Um, Health and Wellness Concept, you
[25:19] know, Solid Core Pilates is a great
[25:21] brand, uh, very well known. They're
[25:23] actively looking in the market. U
[25:26] Barry's Boot Camp, we just did a deal
[25:27] with them, so they're going to open
[25:28] their first location in Winter Park, and
[25:30] naturally, they're going to be looking
[25:32] for their second and third option. And
[25:34] Winter Garden is hot on their list as
[25:36] well. Um, Pause is another one. and it's
[25:38] one of those like hot, you know, hot uh
[25:40] sauna places, cold plunge. So, again,
[25:42] catering to that health and wellness
[25:44] concept. That's another brand that's
[25:45] constantly looking at opportunities. And
[25:47] these are new to market, which is great
[25:49] because we're getting, you know, the
[25:51] attention that Oakland will get with
[25:52] these new tom market brands and that
[25:54] they chose this location for their, you
[25:56] know, for their next door is huge for
[25:58] us. Um, Glow 30 is a med spa, facial
[26:01] space. Um, and then of course, you know,
[26:03] breakfast is huge with the church being
[26:05] next door. We know breakfast is a big
[26:07] deal and so we want to bring in a really
[26:09] cool breakfast concept. I mean, of
[26:11] course, everybody loves a Kiki's, you
[26:13] know, and First Watch, but we'd love to
[26:15] bring in something like Snooze Eater,
[26:17] um, which has been looking in the
[26:19] market, and that would be new to market,
[26:21] and they have not only, you know, a
[26:23] breakfast concept, but they're also a
[26:24] bar. So, you've got more of that bar
[26:26] component. It's a little bit different,
[26:28] and it's more of a full service versus a
[26:30] cafe. Um, and then Pure and Simple is
[26:33] another one, which our team actually
[26:34] represents. Um, and they're always
[26:36] looking in the market as well. Um, and
[26:38] Motech actually fills that category. And
[26:40] then some healthier concepts like, you
[26:42] know, Naked Farmer and Purveto. Those
[26:44] are healthy salad bowl, you know,
[26:46] concepts, you know, organic, you know,
[26:49] brands. And then some of our local
[26:51] favorites. Good Salt Group. A lot of
[26:52] people know Good Salt Group. They did
[26:54] Rya's Mascaria. Um, they've got, um, uh,
[26:58] in downtown um, oh my god, I just drove
[27:00] like Sparrow Sparrow Wine Bar and a
[27:03] couple others that they own in town.
[27:04] sushi. They a sushi concept as well and
[27:06] they're always looking at opportunities.
[27:08] So, and they really like to come into a
[27:10] market and they will create a brand like
[27:12] the Monroe that they did in downtown
[27:14] that's based off of the area and what
[27:16] the area was. So, the Monroe, you know,
[27:18] is named after a professor that um that
[27:21] was the first black school in downtown
[27:23] Orlando and they created the whole
[27:25] concept around that. So, they'll do
[27:26] things like that. Like, they'll come
[27:27] into Oakland and see what Oakland's all
[27:29] about and create a concept that really
[27:31] feels local to the city, to the town.
[27:34] Um, and then some of the dessert
[27:35] concepts, we'd love to get in here. You
[27:37] know, Salt and Straw, Mayday Ice Cream,
[27:40] Kelly's Ice Cream. I know they're
[27:41] already in Plant Street, but they could
[27:43] actually get a, you know, their own
[27:44] brick-andmortar location here. So, those
[27:46] are some of the brands that just to give
[27:48] you an idea of what we're trying to
[27:49] target here for this project. Thank you.
[27:52] >> Thank you. So, just a couple more slides
[27:54] and a couple more minutes. Um, I I just
[27:57] want to ground the important work in
[27:58] what we're doing today and and that is
[28:00] we talked about the PUD request, the the
[28:03] development agreement in the PSP. Of
[28:06] course, the PUD zoning designation is a what they call a negotiated zoning
[28:11] district. So it gives a real opportunity
[28:13] to work with the unique challenges and
[28:16] constraints of this site to allow the
[28:18] flexibility to make something like this
[28:20] come to life while also making sure we
[28:22] don't have knucklehead stuff going on
[28:24] here and and allow for the type of
[28:27] design that that can really see this
[28:30] thing effectuated. you know, uh, one of
[28:33] the things that that came up in the
[28:35] discussion, um, about how it's designed
[28:38] in the courtyards and the way the glass
[28:40] and canopies is, I'll show that in a few
[28:42] slides. Um, that's a real opportunity
[28:44] through this vehicle of the PUD, the
[28:47] development agreement, which will govern
[28:48] it. And so, I just like grounding the
[28:50] pictures into what we're actually doing,
[28:52] um, because it's it's important and
[28:54] allows things like this to to happen.
[28:58] Um, so this is just another view and I I
[29:01] think this says it all of of kind of a
[29:03] conclusion of what we've been selling to
[29:06] you, which is this is a landmark. This
[29:08] is a this is a welcome center of Oakland
[29:10] and this is an opportunity to provide
[29:12] some really top-notch tenants and
[29:14] architectural detail in a way that that
[29:17] Oakland again has come to be recognized
[29:19] for.
[29:22] Uh, and and this is just a visualization
[29:23] of what I outlined. uh varied heights
[29:26] projections allowing a uniqueness of
[29:28] each tenants space and the buildings
[29:30] between them and not just the outside
[29:32] pedestrian connections that we talked
[29:34] about particularly in the opportunity to
[29:36] provide some off-site improvements but
[29:39] also the the sidewalks and the bicycle
[29:42] friendly nature and just having that
[29:43] interconnectivity.
[29:46] Here's another view of the canopies and
[29:48] how that those spaces are broken up. Um
[29:51] and so we'll end on this slide that has
[29:52] some pictures. I know we threw a lot at
[29:54] you and I'm thankful for your patience
[29:56] and for being here making quorum tonight
[29:58] and we're happy to answer any follow-ups
[30:00] you have. Thank you.
[30:22] I have a question. Um,
[30:26] in one of the slides it says that it is
[30:29] pedestrian and bike friendly.
[30:32] Um, how how does it you think it's bike
[30:37] friendly? Are there certain things that
[30:39] are catered bicycle?
[30:41] >> Yes. Certainly infrastructure like the
[30:43] bike racks and things like that, but the
[30:45] wider sidewalks as well allow for more
[30:48] pedestrian access, allow the bikes to to
[30:50] safely traverse in and out of the
[30:51] sidewalk areas. And then, as you'll see
[30:54] here, this isn't just one big strip area
[30:57] that all looks the same. the fact that
[30:58] you have areas that are broken up with
[31:01] and you see some of the crosswalks and
[31:03] pedestrian safety features that allows
[31:05] for to to break up these long alleyways
[31:08] of cars uh that can get up to a certain
[31:11] speed. So all those types of things go
[31:13] into a shared space from pedestrian to
[31:16] bicycle and then of course vehicular as
[31:18] well and golf carts. Let's not forget
[31:20] the golf carts.
[31:21] >> So would there be
[31:24] wide sidewalks connecting all of the
[31:32] Yeah, I think it's hard to see on the
[31:33] site plan
[31:36] of the sidewalks, but I would assume
[31:38] they're connecting all the
[31:42] main road.
[31:42] >> Sure.
[31:48] » Um if you look at the um um the area
[31:52] Katherine Ross, right, because we know
[31:54] we're in about a half a mile, not even
[31:55] to let's say Orange Trail, right? So,
[31:57] and that's just the main bike. So,
[31:59] there's a couple of things. First of
[32:00] all, you know, if you would make it here
[32:02] to u to Catherine Ross on a bike, um we
[32:04] would provide in just about every
[32:06] amenity and courtyard, you'll have bike
[32:08] racks so you can, you know, place your
[32:09] bike. From there on, the sidewalk
[32:12] actually has con connectivity all the
[32:14] way really to the well, I wouldn't say
[32:16] to the church because you'd have to
[32:17] cross that street, but certainly to the
[32:19] far end of the property. Um, and I know
[32:21] it's hard to see on the plan, but
[32:23] everything that's kind of sort of dotted
[32:24] that's around the buildings. And if you
[32:26] start at that point in Katherine Ross,
[32:27] you can walk along building seven and
[32:29] eight and then six and four and two. Of
[32:31] course, there's be going to be a couple
[32:33] of crosswalks, but you can certainly
[32:35] walk that whole entire center. And, uh,
[32:37] those are the wider sidewalks that we're
[32:39] talking about. Um, of course, we don't
[32:41] think the traffic in the center is going
[32:43] to be, you know, insane because it's
[32:44] very well laid out and everything. And
[32:46] we thought of that because, um,
[32:48] Oakland's known for biking. So whether
[32:50] you come on a bike or on a um you know
[32:52] whether you want to leave your bike at
[32:53] building 7 or you want to ride it all
[32:55] the way to perhaps buildings one and
[32:56] three you'll have a little position
[32:58] there where you can put your bike. So I
[33:00] don't know if that answers your
[33:01] question. Yeah. Okay.
[33:05] >> Question of the renderings there
[33:08] retaining wall along.
[33:11] >> Yes. And that's a um Brent that's a
[33:14] Brent
[33:19] So, as uh Brent Lensen with Kimley Horn,
[33:21] 200 South Orange Avenue, sweet 600. Um,
[33:24] but as Taylor briefly mentioned before,
[33:26] the topography of the site's a bit
[33:28] challenging. We had some storm water
[33:29] nuances with St. John's as well. So, if
[33:32] you look at the plan, the northwest
[33:34] corner where that large dry pond is,
[33:36] it's like elevation 114 and the bottom
[33:39] right southeast is about a 97. So
[33:42] there's at least 17 feet of fall across
[33:45] the site from northwest to southeast and
[33:49] that's really happening along the state
[33:50] road 50 frontage which made it really
[33:53] difficult um from an overall master
[33:55] infrastructure grading and drainage
[33:56] standpoint. And then on top of that
[33:59] unfortunately the initial development
[34:01] that happened within that affects these
[34:03] parcels was the tractor supply and they
[34:05] built the large dry pond immediately
[34:07] adjacent to it. Several of the parcels
[34:09] included within this project are
[34:12] benefited by that storm water. The
[34:14] negative is the storm water's at the top
[34:16] of the hill. So physically getting the
[34:18] water to the dry pond is not achievable
[34:21] without raising finished floors and
[34:22] hydraulically being able to drain the
[34:24] water. Oops, I did that. I'm sorry. Um,
[34:27] so with the dry pond up there, we have
[34:30] Apakka basin for storm water recharge,
[34:33] which requires dry pre-treatment and
[34:35] infiltration before you get to a wet
[34:38] pond. Sorry for the storm water jargon,
[34:40] but all that to say based on storm
[34:43] water, it demanded the buildings being
[34:44] set at a certain elevation and what's
[34:46] being set at a certain elevation, which
[34:47] had to drain to the dry ponds first to
[34:49] get to a downstream wet, which is why
[34:52] you kind of see a cascading deal with
[34:54] that large rectangular white space as a
[34:56] dry pond. A lot of our basin goes to it.
[34:58] The basin that can't get there goes to
[35:01] that boomerang, we'll call it, around
[35:03] the wet pond. That's kind of a dry
[35:05] upstream pre-treatment which then goes
[35:07] to the lower wet pond that's at that
[35:08] bottom southeast corner. So with all
[35:11] those nuances, we have a retaining wall
[35:13] near that storm water pond along 50
[35:15] that's about 10 ft tall.
[35:18] So
[35:19] little bit of sight constraints kind of
[35:21] drove that design and that's kind of
[35:22] what you'll see within the waiver
[35:24] request. Some of the building separation
[35:26] from 50 was due to that nuance of having
[35:29] to build a wall, having the structural
[35:31] integrity of a wall and a building
[35:32] adjacency and really trying to
[35:34] centralize the focus of the development
[35:36] more internalized because of that
[35:38] elevation change off
[35:43] » that basically the retaining wall and
[35:47] then sidewalk.
[35:52] It's going to be the basically state
[35:54] road 50 turn like their travel lanes.
[35:56] You'll have a sidewalk running along 50
[35:58] that's still at road grade. Then you'll
[36:00] have an elevated wall and then there's
[36:02] going to be landscaping up above on top
[36:04] of the wall and then the building facade
[36:06] up there. I think the best picture, I
[36:08] don't know where it was in the
[36:08] presentation was the one that showed the
[36:11] pedestrian down at the street level with
[36:12] the monument sign there.
[36:15] Probably the best example.
[36:19] this going to be a like a good example
[36:21] of what the landscaping is going to look like on
[36:25] that corner that intent.
[36:31] » So obviously, you know, the the
[36:32] renderings and everything. So our
[36:33] landscape architects are going to work
[36:35] very hard and everything, but our our
[36:36] goal is to have because that's going to
[36:37] be the way we see it. It's it's
[36:39] certainly our our main entrance, right,
[36:41] from from most of the vehicles and and
[36:43] we want that to look very nice. And
[36:44] that's why we created even the the
[36:46] monument, you know, we made it a lot
[36:47] more architectural to actually integrate
[36:49] with the center rather than just be, you
[36:51] know, a little billboard looking thing.
[36:53] Um, and the intent is yes to landscape
[36:55] it as nice as possible. Is it going to
[36:56] look, you know, tit for tat like that?
[36:59] Um, you know, probably not, but it's
[37:01] going to be the same exact feel. So,
[37:03] that's really the u the intent of the um
[37:05] the renderings. And um and we want to
[37:07] make that wall, you know, as pretty as
[37:09] we can. Um, good news is that wall is
[37:12] not 10 feet everywhere, but you know,
[37:14] that's just what we had to work with.
[37:16] So, um, I don't know if that answers
[37:18] your question.
[37:20] >> So, the that the wall, the retaining
[37:23] wall.
[37:24] >> Yes, sir.
[37:24] >> Corner will be about 10 ft high.
[37:27] >> Yes, sir.
[37:29] >> The western end of the property. Does it
[37:31] go
[37:32] >> It goes lower. Yeah, that's the highest
[37:34] it ever is. So, it kind of go Sorry. It
[37:36] kind of goes both ways that way. So,
[37:38] it's not going to be as high as
[37:40] possible, but uh that's all we, you
[37:42] know, we try to make it as pretty as
[37:43] possible. You know, we have the
[37:44] buildings that are very nice, you know,
[37:45] in the elevations that we we haven't
[37:47] really skipped on anything, so we can I
[37:50] don't want to say distract from it, but,
[37:51] you know, just really make the the best
[37:53] of it.
[37:54] >> All right. So, one of the things that I just wanted to ask about was um being
[37:59] able to see back of house from all three
[38:02] roads.
[38:04] >> So, the renderings show a lot of
[38:05] architectural detail.
[38:06] >> Yes, sir. So that's going to be pretty
[38:09] >> Yes, sir. Yeah. Yeah. We did that
[38:10] intentfully and and um you know, we
[38:12] wanted to offer obviously even on the uh
[38:15] the
[38:15] >> not a blank wall.
[38:16] >> Correct. Yes, sir. Yeah. Exactly. And
[38:18] you know, we'll do the best we can with
[38:19] the landscaping as well. Just we'll try
[38:21] to make it as uh as obviously as nice as
[38:24] possible. The idea was that it was
[38:25] elevated. So, um you know, it's a little
[38:28] less visible to begin with. We're going
[38:30] to add some uh landscaping, but we added
[38:32] the articulation on purpose so it's not
[38:34] a flat wall like you would see normally.
[38:36] Just to touch on that, just to expand
[38:38] upon that too, John, you know, once it
[38:41] gets through this portion of its review
[38:43] sequence and it goes to the final
[38:45] instruction, at that point, that's when
[38:47] it goes beyond just renderings. We have
[38:50] the actual architectural elevations to
[38:52] show even more detail than what you're
[38:54] seeing here to ensure that that, you
[38:56] know, the breakup of that massing does
[38:58] occur and you're not, as you say,
[39:00] looking at the back of a house or
[39:01] essentially a cinder block wall.
[39:04] Well,
[39:07] as a developer, right? We when we when
[39:10] we saw this, we were like, "This is this
[39:11] is horrible." Um because it's very
[39:13] expensive to build. This is extremely
[39:15] expensive. This isn't something that you
[39:17] would go out and buy a piece of land and
[39:19] start building walls and building
[39:21] raising land. That's crazy. Um there was
[39:24] really no way around it in order to
[39:25] develop it. But the the takeaway from it
[39:27] from our perspective is it gives a real
[39:29] intimate feel to the center. It's going
[39:31] to give a very private intimate feel
[39:34] almost like an oasis in a way because
[39:36] you're you're raising the center up and
[39:37] you're kind of buffering out 50. So from
[39:40] a perspective of being in the center I
[39:43] think it's going to make the center you
[39:44] know quite attractive to be honest with
[39:46] you.
[39:48] >> So you would have a 10ft wall at the
[39:50] highest point and then a railing on top
[39:53] of that
[39:57] » maybe like 13 14t tall. at some point
[40:05] » at the highest point which is at the far
[40:07] eastern near the storm water pond it is
[40:09] about 10 feet and that at this entrance
[40:11] is it was around seven or eight feet
[40:13] here but yeah if the the fall distance
[40:15] is more than 30 inches you need to have
[40:17] a railing on it for safety reasons yeah
[40:19] it'll have at least a 42 inch railing on
[40:21] top of that obviously we want it to look
[40:24] good we'll pick some material and color
[40:26] and product to look as good as it
[40:40] So, [clears throat] um
[40:43] I do I do like that it's going to be
[40:45] like one story, a whole complex. Um is
[40:49] that by design or is that by the land
[40:51] development code?
[40:54] Okay. So you could actually
[40:58] go up. Okay. Because I mean to have some
[41:03] of the eeries that y'all want there um
[41:08] wasn't like a second story open patio
[41:12] for some of the restaurants
[41:14] proposed.
[41:21] But is it an actual total second story?
[41:23] Just like the patio talk more about
[41:28] >> Yes.
[41:31] » We all love rooftops, but here in
[41:34] Orlando, Central Florida, it's just not
[41:36] as common yet. It's not like people
[41:38] can't think like like the consumer
[41:40] doesn't think, you know, con like
[41:42] vertically, right? So like, I'm going to
[41:44] go to a second floor. It's just, you
[41:45] know, they want to be able to park right
[41:46] in front of their space and go right
[41:48] into the business that they're going
[41:49] into. I would love to get rooftops in
[41:52] here or like a second story patio, but
[41:54] it's just not, you know, it's also very
[41:56] expensive. So, even for these
[41:57] restaurants for their buildout, like
[41:59] we're delivering, let's say, a shelf
[42:00] space, right? And then they have to do
[42:02] their buildout, they have to then
[42:03] account for vertical transportation, so
[42:06] an elevator and stairway. And it's just
[42:08] very expensive. And with construction
[42:10] costs right now, it's just not, you
[42:12] know, it's not as as possible to get
[42:14] something like that approved. Although,
[42:15] we would love to see it.
[42:22] I guess this question is for the lease.
[42:24] Um
[42:28] Oakland's name like this.
[42:30] Is that allowed to be put on any
[42:33] business like
[42:36] the Oakland Town Center?
[42:38] >> So So you going to have your own
[42:41] rendering or can they incorporate?
[42:44] They they cannot without our permission
[42:46] because it's it's actually a protected
[42:48] logo.
[42:49] >> Okay.
[42:50] >> Um but I mean what they're doing is it's showing it's not a town
[42:56] space, right? But it also serves
[43:01] so it's a private it's a private
[43:02] development. It but to me it also serves
[43:06] as an entryway into the town of Oakland,
[43:08] right? So, it's showing I appreciate
[43:11] them using Oakland Town Center because
[43:13] it's you're entering and we've been having a hard time with this
[43:18] for a long period of time. Our placem
[43:20] for for our town is when do you know
[43:23] when you're in Oakland? And to me, this
[43:25] is like perfect, right? I mean, there's
[43:28] one other little development on the on
[43:29] the um east side, but other than that,
[43:32] you're coming into Oakland. And so,
[43:34] yeah,
[43:35] >> this this shows you you're in Oakland
[43:37] now.
[43:40] And I just want to say um they've worked
[43:42] like Alex said a long time with us to to
[43:45] get to this point. So we've talked
[43:48] through it a lot of times internally
[43:50] staff um with staff to get to this point
[43:53] that they've that they've been able to
[43:56] come forward with.
[43:58] >> I like it a lot actually.
[44:03] » Um
[44:04] you talk about the administration
[44:13] Yeah. Was was is there a question in
[44:15] particular or
[44:16] >> Yeah. So the way that I understand it um
[44:19] is that the town code is 60%
[44:23] administration
[44:25] um an all public path.
[44:29] >> Is that right?
[44:30] >> Correct. Yeah. The your land development
[44:32] code. Yeah. I believe it's it's written
[44:33] that I guess I'm wondering like as I'm
[44:36] looking at it,
[44:38] the building two and the building four,
[44:41] the faces that
[44:43] are towards Highway 50, that I can
[44:46] understand because it's going to be like
[44:48] 10 feet in the air see it. Um but
[44:53] building eight and nine
[44:56] the faces that are Catherine Ross Road
[45:01] um they say 0% administration so it
[45:05] would look like a back of house but um
[45:08] to me that would be a public primary frontage
[45:14] I'm wondering like why
[45:16] >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. No it's a good
[45:18] question. So the building A for
[45:19] instance, you know, it's it it only its
[45:21] side that actually butts up to um so and
[45:24] then we do have some fenestration on
[45:25] that side. Um and as far as um you know,
[45:28] building 9, which is, you know, the one
[45:30] on Katherine Ross right up on the top
[45:32] right corner. Um there was there were
[45:36] several reasons, right? And and one of
[45:39] them was, you know, we wanted to stay
[45:40] consistent with the center. Um the
[45:42] second is you know we found that tenants
[45:45] um and also guests you know if they park
[45:47] in the back like if you look at this one
[45:49] and if the access is on both sides in
[45:51] other words it would look the same on
[45:53] both sides where we would have same type
[45:55] of fenestration on each side. um one it
[45:58] gets a little bit confusing you know um
[46:00] second the tenants you know they want to
[46:03] have a little bit of a delivery area
[46:04] right because you know they're bringing
[46:06] in whatever they're bringing so they
[46:07] might just want to keep it out of the
[46:08] site or you might have in a restaurant
[46:10] you know employees going out back and
[46:11] you know have taken a break and stuff
[46:13] like that so they kind of want to you
[46:14] know want they want to use those areas
[46:16] so as you know um to keep with the
[46:21] consistency and to make it you know um
[46:23] flow and actually it's a matter of cost
[46:24] as well you know because we we really do
[46:26] have to stay within reason. What we
[46:28] thought was a nice thing is if we did
[46:31] not provide, you know, that flat wall in
[46:32] the back. So, we actually kept the front
[46:35] and the back of the building look
[46:37] completely the same when it comes to the
[46:38] articulation. So, we're spending the
[46:40] same exact money and, you know, um we're
[46:42] going to put the landscaping buffer
[46:43] behind it and that will allow us to save
[46:47] a little bit of money, provide the
[46:48] tenants, you know, with an actual space
[46:50] that they can use. and our guests, you
[46:52] know, we believe that um they're going
[46:54] to really come in from the center um
[46:56] whether on a bike, whether you know
[46:58] they're going to turn that corner, come
[46:59] on in and they're going to access it
[47:01] probably through the parking lot. So um
[47:04] we wanted to make it as beautiful as
[47:06] possible because you know most centers
[47:09] and that's why I think the gentleman
[47:10] asked you know is it going to be a flat
[47:11] wall because that's what you normally
[47:13] see on the back of the house. So um I
[47:15] hope that answers your question. You
[47:17] know we try to stay consistent. We, you
[47:18] know, try to, you know, keep our cost in
[47:20] line as well and um but still provide
[47:24] with some, you know, provide you with
[47:25] something
[47:28] >> aesthetically
[47:28] >> does
[47:30] and understand
[47:32] >> um you have the tenants and you know the
[47:35] functionality of the space.
[47:38] Um I live on the other side of Oakland
[47:41] Avenue, so I love that we're connecting
[47:44] the 50 here. I I do wish or I I hope
[47:48] that um there's a focus for the
[47:52] pedestrian traffic on Catherine Ross
[47:56] Road
[47:58] um and how those buildings interact
[48:00] sidewalk. Well, yes, and we we do have
[48:03] and of course, you know, the the city
[48:04] sidewalk, it's a little beyond our
[48:06] control, but as far as our center uh
[48:08] walkability and pedestrian everything
[48:10] was designed to to pedestrian scale, our
[48:12] penistration or everything, you know,
[48:14] the articulation, everything everything.
[48:16] So, you know, we want you to feel good
[48:18] in there. And that's why Alex's point, I
[48:20] think we made that wall work in our
[48:22] favor because now everything faces
[48:23] inwards rather than, you know, 250. And
[48:26] as much as we love 50, it's really not
[48:27] that pretty regardless. So now you're
[48:29] going to have this walkable and that's
[48:30] why we sacrificed a lot of um uh square
[48:33] footage for open areas. You know, we we
[48:36] split up all these buildings and um and
[48:38] even to the variance that Taylor spoke
[48:40] of um up to what was it 250 ft um
[48:43] actually if you look at I don't believe
[48:44] any of our buildings are even close to
[48:46] that. I think our largest one it's 170
[48:48] because we've cut them up and we've
[48:50] added you know 17,000 square feet of u
[48:53] of green space. So
[48:56] that's uh the long and the short of it.
[49:00] >> So with the fenistration uh like
[49:04] building one, three and five, there's a
[49:06] lot of parking behind that. So it's not
[49:09] a closed book right now. There could be
[49:12] entrances to some of those buildings
[49:14] back there or there.
[49:17] Do you have to walk around?
[49:18] >> No. If you park there, you would walk uh
[49:20] well, if you look at buildings one and
[49:21] three, they have that courtyard. So
[49:23] that's specifically designed for
[49:24] pedestrian access. Um you I think it's a
[49:27] 25 or 30 foot wide courtyard and the
[49:29] same length because we wanted um guests
[49:32] when they park back there to be able to
[49:34] walk.
[49:34] >> Building five. Yeah, sure. They'll have
[49:36] to walk a little bit around it. But um
[49:39] uh yes, and even in those buildings,
[49:40] just so you'll know, although they're
[49:42] facing the dry retention, we still have
[49:43] the pretty same articulation on front
[49:47] and back. So even if you park back
[49:48] there, you're still not looking at this
[49:49] ugly flat wall.
[49:50] >> No, I didn't. Yeah,
[49:51] >> that definitely or no.
[49:55] Um, also looking at the map, um, it
[49:58] looks to me that this is at the rear of
[50:02] the school. And I don't know if this is
[50:06] on the town side or the developer side,
[50:08] but
[50:10] um I I do think there should be more
[50:15] vegetation
[50:17] because
[50:19] from the rear of the school, you would
[50:21] be you would be looking into this
[50:23] commercial area and I think it kind of
[50:25] kills like
[50:27] the courtyard of the school. Um
[50:30] >> I believe there's a road between us too.
[50:32] Perhaps you can
[50:34] >> there there's so all of the fields are
[50:37] between the school and Saddler and
[50:40] Saddler eventually will go through and
[50:43] we want to use that potentially to loop
[50:46] the cars around a bigger loop to get
[50:48] some of that traffic off of off of the
[50:51] other roads. So um you know this is kind
[50:54] of a master plan, right? Um so there
[50:57] will be probably some vegetation more on
[50:59] the school side, but we'll be working on
[51:01] that.
[51:02] makes sense. I I think I'd like to
[51:06] see like more of a visual barrier
[51:08] between the school and the commercial.
[51:14] » Yeah. And naturally, I think we'll have,
[51:16] you know, the required, you know, trees
[51:17] and everything that's per code. So,
[51:19] there will be, it's not like it's going
[51:20] to be bare, so don't picture that. um
[51:22] you know there are requirements and I
[51:23] don't know off the top of my head
[51:24] because I don't specialize in
[51:25] landscaping but you know you have to
[51:27] have trees every certain feet and you
[51:28] have to have so those obviously will be
[51:30] in place you know as part of our
[51:31] agreement and everything so it's not
[51:33] like it's going to be like a you know
[51:34] like a bowling alley or just an empty field in any stretch and that goes for the center in general you
[51:41] know what I mean as a whole not just
[51:42] that
[51:43] >> Matthew would you actually mind
[51:44] switching over to the landscape plan
[51:49] just to get a sense these are there is
[51:52] per there are particular requirements
[51:54] for um commercial for buffering of
[51:57] commercial properties and you can see um
[52:00] every circle yeah 12t wide landscape
[52:04] buffer there between that drive aisle
[52:06] and the proposed public road that's
[52:08] >> then we clustered plantings within the
[52:10] dry pond in those pockets
[52:13] is there a particular area that's
[52:16] >> um
[52:16] >> missing in your your vision on this
[52:19] >> no I just think along the north side to
[52:22] me like I would prefer like a full row
[52:27] of trees, you know, and from what I
[52:30] could tell on the agenda, it looks like
[52:32] they're taking out all of the existing
[52:34] trees. So, these would be new new plant
[52:37] new planted trees. Um, so I guess when I
[52:41] see this, I'm picturing like smaller
[52:44] trees, you know,
[52:47] >> and the tree removal is the topography
[52:50] we talked about earlier. It's just
[52:52] physically impossible to save the
[52:54] changing grade.
[52:57] I don't I don't think there'd be any
[52:59] issues with us continuing the planting
[53:01] row there. See where there's a gap
[53:02] before it gets to where the driveway
[53:04] connection is by that L104 label. I
[53:07] think we could add a few there. when we
[53:09] move towards final design, just
[53:10] obviously site visibility. There's a
[53:11] driveway entry there, but beyond that,
[53:13] not
[53:14] >> and certainly something, you know, we
[53:16] would have to during a final engineering
[53:18] review be mindful with our landscape
[53:19] architect team because there is a point
[53:21] where you saturate too many trees to
[53:23] create a row and now all of a sudden
[53:25] none of them can survive because they're
[53:26] competing for similar resources. So we
[53:29] it is something we can consider if the
[53:30] applicant group does propose a more
[53:32] robust tree line along that northern
[53:35] boundary, but it would be done in a way
[53:37] to ensure that the survival and the
[53:39] function of that area reaches its full
[53:42] potential.
[53:43] >> Like for you to consider the view from
[53:45] the school, from the playground, from
[53:47] the courtyard.
[53:49] Um I think their main parking is
[53:52] the north west of this site. So yeah, I
[53:56] think just as long as you're mindful of
[53:58] their view
[54:00] >> certainly
[54:16] just um I guess one question about the
[54:18] signage. Um
[54:21] when I was reading through it, uh having
[54:23] the two signs made total sense um
[54:26] because they're two different roads.
[54:28] You're coming in from Cir. You're coming
[54:30] in on 50.
[54:31] >> But the third one, um
[54:34] I'm not opposed to it, but we haven't
[54:36] really heard any reasoning
[54:39] why other than just is this going to
[54:41] have tenant names on it also, or is it
[54:43] just going to say Oakland Town Center 7?
[54:45] So the way we have it proposed that only
[54:47] has four tenant names and we thought you
[54:48] know if we have u some anchor tenants
[54:51] and I'm just throwing a name here like a
[54:53] let's say Trader Joe's or whatever I
[54:55] don't know something like that. Um you
[54:57] know we would offer that. Um but the
[54:59] main reason we actually put that um that
[55:01] there is is to be more like a gateway.
[55:04] it it's uh it's more of like you know
[55:07] welcome to it's like welcome to the to
[55:10] the town center to Oakland Town Center
[55:11] and also welcome to to Oakland because
[55:13] the point made earlier I think you know
[55:16] you could probably agree that that's
[55:17] going to be one of the main access
[55:19] points into Oakland once Katherine Ross
[55:21] is completed. So um it will announce our
[55:23] center but it will announce your town
[55:25] too. And you know we wanted to put
[55:26] something that you'll be proud of that
[55:28] we'll be proud of. It's not something
[55:29] that's gonna bring us a lot of,
[55:33] you know, what should I call it?
[55:36] >> Yeah.
[55:47] » Not assigned,
[55:49] >> right?
[56:04] that sign
[56:05] >> and it's going to be at a 45.
[56:07] >> That's the plan. Yeah. At about a 45 and
[56:09] it'll be, you know, set back a little
[56:10] bit from the intersection and, you know,
[56:12] that's why we wanted to be a little more
[56:13] prominent, too. So, when you drive
[56:14] there, you can see it and it's a
[56:16] reference point as to Oakland, a
[56:17] reference point to the center. Um, and
[56:19] we thought it would be a benefit, you
[56:20] know, for for for all of us.
[56:27] Well,
[56:27] >> it would sit back.
[56:28] >> Yeah, back.
[56:31] >> Yeah, it's exactly
[56:33] >> above the
[56:43] » old black line. That's where the the
[56:45] retaining wall that runs along 50. It
[56:48] turns north and then heads east to
[56:51] connect to Katherine Ross. So that keeps
[56:52] the whole site and that dry retention up
[56:54] high. But that triangularish storm water
[56:57] pond, that's really down at grade
[56:59] because that is an actual wet pond. When
[57:01] you get to that corner where Kathern
[57:02] Ross meets 50, that's all all those
[57:04] improvements in that wet pond are going
[57:05] to be down at grade.
[57:08] Yeah, basically. Yeah. So
[57:12] when you come in,
[57:14] yeah, you'll see
[57:16] as you're heading westward on 50, you'll
[57:18] see Katherine Ross intersect. You're on
[57:20] 50 at grade. You see a a pond at eye
[57:22] level, signage at eye level. Then you'll
[57:25] see the the on bordered with the
[57:26] retaining wall and the site above it.
[57:46] Anybody else have anything?
[57:52] Thank you. Thank you.
[57:59] » Do any members have any questions or
[58:01] comments?
[58:06] Is there anyone present who would like
[58:07] to speak on this item? I will close the
[58:10] floor.
[58:12] >> Do any members have any further
[58:14] comments?
[58:17] » Um I guess yeah. But this is more for
[58:20] police. Um it's So it's going to be
[58:23] Saddler Avenue.
[58:25] >> Yes. Yes.
[58:26] >> Um so is it going to stop or is it going
[58:29] to connect to Saddler Avenue? West
[58:32] Saddler.
[58:32] >> I don't think it can go all the way
[58:34] there. I think it'll stop, but it'll
[58:38] pick up on the other side then.
[58:40] >> Okay.
[58:42] >> There's no way to get them connected. I
[58:44] don't think we have property to connect
[58:46] it over there. We'll continue to look at
[58:49] it, but right now I don't think there's
[58:51] a way to
[58:51] >> I still would like to see hull
[58:53] connected.
[58:54] >> Yeah, I understand.
[58:56] >> It makes total sense for everything
[58:59] we're trying to do in that whole
[59:02] corridor.
[59:03] >> Yeah,
[59:03] >> makes total sense. But okay, I have
[59:06] nothing. I I like it. I like everything.
[59:11] >> Can I have a motion?
[59:13] I'll make a motion to accept uh
[59:16] ordinance number 2026-05, the Oakland
[59:19] Town Center resoning development
[59:21] agreement and preliminary subdivision
[59:23] plan
[59:24] uh as presented.
[59:27] >> All in favor?
[59:28] >> I.
[59:29] >> Any opposed? Motion passes.
[59:33] This meeting is adjourned at 7:30 p.m.