1 00:00:13,679 --> 00:00:16,920 You ready? 2 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:28,240 We're rolling. All right. Hey, good evening everyone. Thanks for uh coming 3 00:00:25,119 --> 00:00:32,719 in tonight. Um, we'll call to order the uh Oakland Town Commission meeting for 4 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:37,239 August 25th, 2026. If everybody could please stand for the pledge or remain 5 00:00:34,239 --> 00:00:37,239 standing. 6 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:08,680 Amen. Thank you, Miss Mac. Missed you. 7 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:18,400 » All right. Good evening, Kathy. Good evening. Commissioner Keller 8 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,680 » here. >> Vice Mayor Satderfield, 9 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Mayor Taylor >> here, 10 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:26,000 » Commissioner Mley >> present. Commissioner McMullen is 11 00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:30,800 absent. >> Okay. 12 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:37,760 So, um we've got uh three proclamations tonight and um we'll get to those right 13 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:41,360 now. Our first proclamation tonight is uh 14 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:45,040 Labor Day in the town of Oakland. Whereas, Labor Day is a timehonored 15 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,800 tradition in the United States dedicated to recognizing the invaluable 16 00:02:46,959 --> 00:02:53,440 contributions of American workers whose dedication and hard work have built and 17 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:56,959 sustain our nation's economy and prosperity. And the town of Oakland, 18 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,160 Florida, is deeply committed to celebrating the achievements of our 19 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:04,239 local workforce, acknowledging the vital roles that workers and all industries 20 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:08,959 play in ensuring the continued growth and success of our community. And Labor 21 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:12,239 Day also serves as a reminder of the importance of fair and equitable working 22 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:15,920 conditions, the right to a safe workplace, and the continued need to 23 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:20,000 advocate for the rights and well-beings of all workers. And the town of Oakland 24 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:23,599 is proud to honor the men and women who contribute tirelessly to this strength, 25 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:28,000 vitality, and well-being of our community and to reflect on the progress 26 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:32,319 made in the pursuit of labor rights and the work that still lies ahead. And as 27 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:36,159 we gather to celebrate this Labor Day, we recognize the diversity, dedication, 28 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:40,080 and resilience of our workforce. And we commit to supporting initiatives that 29 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:43,280 promote job creation, fair wages, and opportunities for all. Now therefore, I 30 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Shane Taylor, by the virtue of the authority vested in me as the mayor of 31 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:52,400 the town of Oakland, Florida, and on behalf of the entire town commission, do 32 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:55,840 hereby proclaim September 7th, 2026 as Labor Day in the town of Oakland and 33 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,959 urge all citizens to join in recognizing the celebrating the valuable 34 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:06,000 contributions of workers in our community and across uh our nation. So, 35 00:04:02,959 --> 00:04:13,519 thank you very much for that one. Uh this one is Constitution Week 2026 36 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:17,440 whereas September 17, 2026 marks the 239th anniversary of the drafting of the 37 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:21,120 Constitution of the United States of America by the Constitutional 38 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:25,600 Convention. And it is fitting and proper to accord official recognition to this 39 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:30,240 magnificent document and its memorable anniversary and to pay and to the 40 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:35,759 patriotic celebrations which will commemorate the occasion. and public law 41 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:39,199 915 guarantees the issuing of a proclamation each year by the president 42 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:44,639 of the United States of America designating September 17th through the 43 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:49,040 23rd as Constitution Week. Now therefore, I, Shane Taylor, mayor of the 44 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:52,800 town of Oakland, and on behalf of the entire town commission, do hereby 45 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:58,479 proclaim September 17th through September 23rd, 2026 as Constitution 46 00:04:56,000 --> 00:05:01,360 Week in the town of Oakland, and ask our citizens to study the Constitution, 47 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:05,120 reflect on the privileges of being an American with all the rights and 48 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:09,360 responsibilities which that privilege involves. 49 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:16,240 And one of our favorite ones every year that we do, it's the um and and I'd like 50 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:20,639 to say thanks Christa in and your organization uh Healthy West Orange for 51 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,039 being a big part of our town and helping us out on on things. So, thank you very 52 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,720 much >> and thank you for 10 years of supporting 53 00:05:25,039 --> 00:05:29,440 us. We are celebrating the 10th anniversary of Healthy Selfie. 54 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:34,960 » You're welcome. And we get a free t-shirt for doing that. Thank you. 55 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,560 » Have a very colorful. >> Yes. 56 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:40,240 Yeah, >> you do. 57 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:43,919 » Uh, whereas the healthy West Orange inspires healthy behaviors and provides 58 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:47,919 resources to help residents make better lifestyle choices. And Healthy West 59 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:52,639 Orange champions healthy programs that deliver health and wellness activity 60 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,320 activities. And Healthy West Orange unites health-minded organizations for 61 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:00,560 whom a healthy community provides meaningful benefits. and Healthy West 62 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,639 Orange advocates for healthy communities decisions and encourages local leaders 63 00:06:02,479 --> 00:06:09,680 to keep their communities health and wellness a top priority. And Healthy 64 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:14,720 West Orange declares that the third Friday in September as the annual West 65 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Orange Healthy Selfie Day. Now therefore, is my great pleasure and 66 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:23,280 privilege as the mayor of the town of Oakland to declare Friday, September 67 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:28,160 18th, 2026 as West Orange Healthy Selfie Day and in celebration of the 10th 68 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:31,840 anniversary of Healthy Selfie. And I urge all citizens to join in supporting 69 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:38,199 this initiative. So, thank you very much. Yeah. Yeah. You want a selfie? 70 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:38,199 Sorry. 71 00:06:41,039 --> 00:06:45,080 » Yeah. You hold them right up. 72 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:50,520 I didn't think 73 00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:59,960 September 12th. 74 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:23,280 Okay, moving right along. We are on to the 75 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:28,240 consent agenda tonight. And on the consent agenda is approval of the August 76 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:32,479 11th, 2026 town commission regular meeting minutes. Approval of the town 77 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:37,120 commission holiday meeting schedule with town hall offices closures. Approval of 78 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:41,440 the second extension to the agreement with Wade Trim for planning services. 79 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:45,040 Approval of the continuing and interlocal agreement with Orange County 80 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:49,920 Property Appraisers. Required communication letter for Pervis 81 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:55,519 Gray. Gosh, that's coming up. See like we just did that. 82 00:08:52,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Supra auditors notification letter to the Florida Department of Commerce to 83 00:08:56,959 --> 00:09:04,080 update the town's uh comprehensive plan. So with that, any questions or comments 84 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:08,240 from anyone? Okay, we'll entertain a motion. 85 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,839 » Make a motion to accept consent agenda as presented. 86 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,839 » Second. >> I'll second the motion. 87 00:09:10,959 --> 00:09:18,480 » All in favor? >> I 88 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:22,080 » I Okay. All right. Uh, next is an ordinance tonight. It's ordinance number 89 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,720 202605. First reading. 90 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,519 » An ordinance of the town of Oakland, Florida adopting a town official zoning 91 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:33,600 map amendment from C1 commercial general within the urban corridor district 92 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:37,920 design district to PUD plan unit development within the urban corridor 93 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:43,279 design district for certain real property owned by Oakland Town Center 94 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:47,839 LLC. Generally located on the north side of State Road 50. at the northwest 95 00:09:45,839 --> 00:09:53,040 corner of the intersection of State Road 50 and Katherine Ross Road as more 96 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:58,160 particularly described herein with an approximate size of 14.80 acres 97 00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:02,160 approving a development agreement between the property owner and the town 98 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:07,040 of Oakland and approving a preliminary subdivision plan making findings and 99 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:11,200 providing for conflict severability and an effective date. 100 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:15,839 » Thank you Kathy. Good evening Taylor. How are you? 101 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:15,839 » I'm good. How are you Mr. Mayor? 102 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:45,040 Sometimes there's a screen behind everyone and it's okay if you want to 103 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:49,839 turn around and and look at that one too because some of the details I think that 104 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:54,240 they're going to show is probably see them better. 105 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:59,680 » All right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the town commission. Before 106 00:10:56,079 --> 00:11:02,640 we get into the details, I'm so sorry. Before we get into the details about the 107 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:06,560 project, I wanted to give a little bit of a background regarding the actual 108 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:10,800 property in question. So, the subject site is comprised of five distinct 109 00:11:08,399 --> 00:11:16,079 parcels of land as mentioned totaling approximately 14.8 acres. It does 110 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:23,279 contain both a commercial future land use classification and um f um zoning 111 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:26,519 and is in a commercial zoning district. It is 112 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:33,920 it is located within the town's urban corridor design district. And the intent 113 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:39,600 and purpose of tonight's ordinance, as mentioned, is to approve a reszoning of 114 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:43,360 the property from C1 commercial to PUD planned unit development, approval of 115 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:46,640 the companion development agreement and preliminary subdivision plan, and 116 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:50,399 approve architectural building elevations. And just a little bit of the 117 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:54,320 anatomy of why this is all being approved under a single ordinance. In 118 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,760 order to reszone to a planned unit development, you you need to create a 119 00:11:56,079 --> 00:12:04,800 set of guidelines and restrictions by which that PUD is allowed to develop to. 120 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:08,639 Hence the exhibit to a PUD is a development agreement which outlines the 121 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,040 regulations that we'll get into later in the presentation. And then serving as an 122 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:17,440 exhibit to that development agreement is the preliminary subdivision plan which 123 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:21,440 contains the civil site plan and layout, the landscaping plan that we'll take a 124 00:12:19,279 --> 00:12:25,120 look at and the architectural elevations that we'll also view. So that's kind of 125 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,880 the if you will layer cake that comprises the ordinance that's before 126 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:32,399 you this evening. Looking at the site location map here, 127 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:37,760 the five parcels of land mentioned, the only cutout from a clean rectangle is 128 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:40,760 the um the existing tractor supply store. 129 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:49,519 And looking at the actual proposal itself, so the Oakland Town Center is 130 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:53,519 proposed to comprise of 11 singlestory commercial buildings of varying sizes 131 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:57,920 and configurations ranging from an approximately 10,000 132 00:12:55,680 --> 00:13:03,839 square foot larges scale retail building all the way down to a singular 1,200 ft 133 00:13:01,680 --> 00:13:09,600 drive-thru building. In addition to that, this does include a little less 134 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:13,839 than 7 thou 17,000 square feet of open space which can comprise of plazas, 135 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:19,120 outdoor seating areas. Could be largely dependent on what kind of tenants end up 136 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:24,800 moving into the commercial spaces. The property the project would be accessed 137 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:28,880 via via five distinct access points and it would also include a newly 138 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:32,560 constructed roadway by the developer that would be that is intended to be 139 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,839 dedicated to the town as a public rideway. 140 00:13:34,079 --> 00:13:41,120 Because of the very steep elevation grade which totals approximately 14 15 141 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:46,000 feet from north going all the way down to the southern corner. This project is 142 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:50,800 being built w with Phil and in an incorporated retaining wall which we'll 143 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:56,000 take a look at on the site plan. So giving a little bit more visual credence 144 00:13:53,200 --> 00:14:01,120 to the project, you can see here the the layout of the 11 buildings. The blue 145 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:06,399 spaces are those proposed outdoor amenity plaza areas. You can see several 146 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:10,959 intermingled throughout the proposed buildings. 147 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:15,920 Each arrow contain is a distinct access point. Two off of Katherine Ross, two 148 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:21,839 off of the cross access with the tractor supply and one here off of State Road 149 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:27,040 50. And you can see this area is the portion kind of beginning the beginnings 150 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:32,440 of a cross access in that area. And as mentioned that is intended to be 151 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,440 dedicated to the town. 152 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:41,279 So here's a lands here is the proposed landscape plan. Should be noted as I 153 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:45,760 mentioned both the civil and landscape the entire plan set that does comprise 154 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:49,120 the preliminary subdivision plan that will be tied to the companion 155 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,639 development agreement for this proposed reszoning. As you can see here, I did 156 00:14:51,279 --> 00:14:56,880 want to highlight, it's a little hard to see at this scale, but during the when 157 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,639 the project went before the appearance review board meeting, there was a 158 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,760 semi-informal discussion about the desire to have a little bit more 159 00:15:02,079 --> 00:15:08,000 landscape screening in between the commercial buildings and the educational 160 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:12,240 facility to the north. This was not list this was not explicitly listed as a 161 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:17,120 condition of the project's approval by the appearance review board but upon 162 00:15:15,279 --> 00:15:21,040 going to the planning and zoning board the applicant group did incorporate the 163 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:25,199 additional screening which you can faintly see through in between the 164 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:29,240 clusters of trees along the northern side of the property. 165 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,760 So as mentioned uh with this resoning there will need to be a set of 166 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:41,279 guidelines by which the development is to build to. So part of the companion 167 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:46,399 development agreement is outlining what what kind of tenants can go into these 168 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:52,160 spaces. The list is wide ranging as you can see here um quote unquote limited to 169 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:56,480 commercial retail office restaurant with no more than one drive-thru. That's an 170 00:15:54,000 --> 00:16:02,480 important caveat. Educational and clinic uses. It also does specifically outline 171 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:07,600 what cannot go into these facilities which as noted here are smoke and 172 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:12,240 tobacco shops and marijuana dispensaries and shops. 173 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:16,880 In addition to this, there are specific outlined negotiated deviations from the 174 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:21,600 standard code requirements that were negotiated and are incorporated into the 175 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:26,560 language of the development agreement. As as an example, explicitly in the text 176 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:32,959 of the development agreement is the allowance for commercial buildings to 177 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:38,720 along State Road 50 to go up to 240 ft in width to account for the size and 178 00:16:35,519 --> 00:16:43,360 visibility. Whereas the general land development code, as an example, allows 179 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:48,560 large store building types to go up to 150 ft in width. And it should be noted 180 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:53,759 that the preliminary subdivision plan is incorporated as an exhibit, but is only 181 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:57,839 the governing reference document. Um, in order for instruction to actually begin 182 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,759 on this project, it still would need to go through final engineering review at 183 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:05,439 which point we would make sure we would go through the town review team to make 184 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:10,079 sure that all the elements would work or designed properly. And it's at that 185 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:15,199 point that we would also ensure that all outside permitting entities such as the 186 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:20,240 water management district, Orange um Orange County and the like um have 187 00:17:17,919 --> 00:17:23,400 reviewed and provided their approval of the proposal. 188 00:17:25,120 --> 00:17:31,760 So, as part of this, separate from those variations that are baked into the 189 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,120 development agreement through the ability of the appearance review board 190 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:39,760 to make recommendations on dimensional variances to the town's to the town's 191 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:45,039 design district requirements, the applicant did provide a specific list of 192 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:50,320 several variances that they were that they prop proposed and were reviewed by 193 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:54,400 both the ARB and planning the appearance review board and the planning and zoning 194 00:17:51,919 --> 00:17:54,400 board. 195 00:17:55,120 --> 00:18:02,240 So briefly touching on those um variations here, the first is commercial 196 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:07,280 building fenistration, the measure of openings in the facade of the building. 197 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:11,440 The town's general code requires 60% building fenestration on all public or 198 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:17,039 right-of-way facing portions of a building. an alternative measure or 199 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:22,080 methodology was con uh proposed by the applicant group for a variety of reasons 200 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:26,960 not or I guess most significantly because of the large elevation required 201 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:31,440 by the retaining wall. A lot of the commercial foot traffic is going to be 202 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:35,840 focused on the interior rather than you know having somebody climb the retaining 203 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:41,280 wall to reach the buildings walking along the sidewalk on State Road 50. 204 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:48,320 The last two do pertain to monument signage. The town does allow a single 205 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:52,799 groundmounted sign per development as part of the proposal, and we'll touch on 206 00:18:49,919 --> 00:18:56,960 locations and designs a little later in the presentation, but the applicant does 207 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,919 propose three monument signs rather than one. In addition to that, two for two of 208 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:06,640 those signs, they are requesting the maximum copy area to be 51 square feet, 209 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:12,400 whereas the land development code does pro for properties or for projects along 210 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:18,360 State Road 50, uh, by definition, it does allow 48 square feet. So 3-foot 211 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,360 addition there. 212 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:25,600 So, I'll go through these fairly quickly, but here we're just going to go 213 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:30,160 building by building to take a look at the proposed elevations and design of 214 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,200 these buildings. And I did, because it did get confusing when I was making 215 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,799 this, I did have a helpful little key here to show you which building we are 216 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:40,679 looking at. So, here we're looking at one of the interior buildings. 217 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:48,640 This is an example of one of the buildings directly fronting State Road 218 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:51,640 50. Another interior. 219 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:57,400 The other building directly on State Road 50. 220 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:11,520 This one has its end cap facing Katherine Ross Road. Lastly, this is the 221 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:16,240 building that has its primary frontage along Katherine Ross Road. Now, the last 222 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:22,880 two are a little bit different. So this is a proposed two tenant building list 223 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:26,640 on the southoutheast west I'm sorry southwest portion of the property and as 224 00:20:25,120 --> 00:20:31,360 mentioned the development agreement does restrict a maximum of a single 225 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:36,720 drive-through facility and this is the general proposed design of what that 226 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,720 drive-through building would look 227 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,039 Now, here are preliminary design renderings of what the proposed signs 228 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,880 look like. So, as you can see here on this on the key plan, there are proposed 229 00:20:53,360 --> 00:21:00,159 to be two of these, and these are the primary, as you can say, shopping center 230 00:20:57,120 --> 00:21:04,159 signs that show the list of tenants. There's proposed to be one at the 231 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:10,880 entrance, the primary entrance on State Road 50 and another at the secondary 232 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:15,120 entrance on Katherine Ross Road. And here you can see kind of the 233 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:19,840 keyynote sign which will have a few anchored which is proposed to have a few 234 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:27,720 anchor tenants but would more serve as a introduction visibility 235 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:27,720 um provide visibility for the project. 236 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:35,600 So going a little bit into the staff analysis as mentioned the project is 237 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:41,280 located within the town's urban corridor design district and the intent of this 238 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:44,880 design district is to accommodate mixeduse projects larger scale 239 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,559 developments on major transportation corridor 240 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:52,880 and through that the proposed development is consistent due to its 241 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:57,120 supporting of commercial uses with local and regional accessibility along a major 242 00:21:55,039 --> 00:22:00,000 commercial thoroughare there. Additionally, the project would 243 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,640 facilitate the redevelopment of an underutilized and vacant property along 244 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:09,280 that major transportation corridor and it and could facilitate economic 245 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:14,240 investment and support job creation within the town. 246 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:18,640 Looking at where the project has been before this evening, it was re reviewed 247 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:24,000 by the appearance review board at their August 4th meeting. Um, ARB did 248 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:29,679 recommend unanimously to approve the project as presented, including the 249 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:34,159 requested deviations. The same can be said of the planning and 250 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:38,480 zoning board at last week's meeting on August 18th. 251 00:22:36,799 --> 00:22:41,360 So, that being said, staff does find the 252 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,720 proposed Oakland Town Center substantially compliant with the town's 253 00:22:43,039 --> 00:22:49,440 Land Development Code design district requirements and do recommend approval 254 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:53,840 of ordinance 2026-05 as presented and provided with your 255 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:59,280 agenda item. Looking to the next steps, the project 256 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:05,440 would next go before you all as a town commission again for second for second 257 00:23:01,120 --> 00:23:09,520 and final reading on September 9th. And that does conclude staff's 258 00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:13,039 presentation, but the applicant almost the entirety of the applicant group is 259 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:16,480 here and um they also have a presentation that they would like to 260 00:23:14,159 --> 00:23:23,159 give you. So I'm available for any questions or we can wait till after they 261 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:23,159 speak. Thank you all. 262 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:32,559 » Good evening, mayor and commissioners. Logan Obsol 215 North Yola Drive, land 263 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:36,000 use council for the project. And thank you, Taylor. Taylor's done this 264 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:40,559 presentation three times now and has done a great job every time. So, thank 265 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:44,159 you. Um, I I'll go through my presentation rather briefly because 266 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:48,720 again, Taylor gave you a really good in-depth overview, but want to offer the 267 00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:52,559 commission some some visuals of the project um and what it looks like 268 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:57,200 because it's we're really excited to make this kind of a entrance to to the 269 00:23:54,720 --> 00:24:00,960 town. Um so so here are some of the renderings and I think what you pick up 270 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:05,120 from this is is the unique look not just of one buildings but all the building 271 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:11,760 you know there was a lot of discussion both at ARB and and planning uh about uh 272 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:16,400 the finestration and and the look and I I'll get to that in a moment but uh what 273 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:22,000 you'll see in these following slides is the way this project's organized and 274 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:26,480 laid out um is a way to to allow uh folks to gather a true destination for 275 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:32,159 the town. Um, and then also have some practical considerations like pedestrian 276 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:36,200 safety and site circulation, those sorts of items. We can go to the next slide. 277 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:42,720 » Yeah. So, we go back one real quick. Yeah. I just want to address this one 278 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:46,400 here because this was discussed at at planning commission. Um, and again, that 279 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:50,960 goes to pedestrian safety. You again, you'll see this on other slides, but the 280 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:56,559 way that this project is laid out, it's not just one straight line of of tenon 281 00:24:54,320 --> 00:25:00,640 bays. Um, what you see there, particularly in the bottom right hand 282 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:05,600 corner, is a lot of features, uh, water features, courtyards, again, gathering 283 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:10,559 places, um, and and all the while allowing for, uh, safe pedestrian 284 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:15,159 safety, uh, and then vehicle site circulation as well. Go to the next 285 00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:15,159 slide. 286 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:22,080 So some of the features here, not just the water features, but the lighting, 287 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,919 the courtyards. Uh there are bays all around this project, some behind the 288 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:30,799 buildings and on the side, but a focus on that courtyards to allow people uh to 289 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:38,159 gather and connect and and have some some really strong viability for these 290 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:41,840 tenants. We can go to the next slide. So we'll talk a little bit about the 291 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:45,760 signs as well. Um, you know, a lot of work's been going into this project to 292 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:49,039 get us here tonight. And and Taylor talked about that, the PUD ordinance, 293 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:55,120 the development agreement that goes with it, of course, the site plan. Um, all of 294 00:25:52,000 --> 00:26:01,120 which uh represents monthsl long and year plus of of work uh with your staff 295 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,159 and coordinating. Um, PUB zoning ordinances and jurisdictions, when I 296 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:10,400 discuss them, right, I always say they're negotiated zoning standards. um 297 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:15,440 they allow for what can be allowed on a project, but also what can't be. Um and 298 00:26:13,360 --> 00:26:19,919 all of those items as it relates to design standards ensure that the project 299 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:25,440 meets or exceeds your code standards. And where they don't, uh there's certain 300 00:26:22,159 --> 00:26:29,039 trade-offs to allow for a logical and successful site design. Now, the three 301 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:32,159 that's before you tonight that differ slightly from the code that are 302 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:38,080 specifically being called out is the finestration, the monument sign, and 303 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:41,679 then the sign square footage. uh 60% building fenestration is the code 304 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:46,080 requirement and we're offering a blend of those percentages. So some meet and 305 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:51,120 exceed and and some are slightly below but that's twofold. One is to provide a 306 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:57,279 unique look across the project again not just that bland uh strip that you that 307 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,919 you typically see in other areas and also functionality uh of of the tenant 308 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:08,080 bays. This is a direct response in the design by architecture team and our 309 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:12,720 engineering team of of what the market is is demanding from tenants and we'll 310 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:17,120 talk about those in a second. The the second is the monument signs uh the 311 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:21,840 three versus one and and Taylor showed you on the site plan how those are laid 312 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:26,240 out. Um and you'll see in in other slides and including this one it also 313 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:31,120 helps to break up uh some of the retaining wall area. Um, but this is 314 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:36,960 also serves the important use of placemaking 315 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:42,159 uh and wayfinding. You know, this is out on 50. It's a it's a high-speed road, so 316 00:27:39,919 --> 00:27:45,760 we want to make sure folks see the signs and and what's being offered there, but 317 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:52,480 also too, this is a gateway into the town. Um it's this is something you know 318 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:55,279 Alex came up um on previous hearings and he he talked a lot about some of the 319 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,480 class A tenants that we're looking to attract here that you see in Winter Park 320 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,799 that you see in Winter Garden. But what we're offering with this design um is 321 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,000 something that's uniquely Oakland and and with that came the name. And then we 322 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:10,880 want to make sure that we have attractive signs to to attract people to 323 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:16,320 the town to this development and and what's being offered. Um and the last is 324 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:20,399 the signage square footage which is the We're suggesting 51 square footage 325 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:24,000 versus the the 48. So, just a slight deviation there. I think now's a good 326 00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:27,279 time while we while we look at the tenants signage to uh talk a little bit 327 00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:30,919 about some of the tenants that we're looking to attract here. 328 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:40,000 » Hey everybody, I'm Alexi with Collers. I'm a brokerage company based in 329 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:43,440 Orlando, Florida. Um I work on groundup development leasing in in Orlando. 330 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:49,120 Winter Park Village is one of those that we just finished. um Icon Park and Otown 331 00:28:46,399 --> 00:28:53,279 West in uh Sand Lake and Plum Parkway. Um I've been hired by the team here to 332 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:57,200 do um the leasing of this project and really try to bring in a very curated 333 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:02,399 mix of tenants to this project. So we are focused on some great restaurant 334 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:06,320 anchor tenants that are new to market or even local restaurants that are very 335 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,919 popular and wellknown. Um so some of the tenants for example that we're talking 336 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:14,080 to is Agave Aul who could be a great anchor for this project right up in 337 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:16,640 front. Um, Baratalia is another one that we recently signed in Winter Park and 338 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:20,799 they're still looking for new opportunities as well. Sushi Saint and 339 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:23,919 Good Salt Group are local restaurants here in Orlando. They're very local 340 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,520 favorites and they're voted, you know, best of Orlando regularly. So, those are 341 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:31,760 restaurants that are looking for new opportunities. And we're since there's 342 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:35,200 not too much capacity right now in Winter Garden on Plant Street and 343 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,760 Claremont's kind of capped out, we're a great spot for these restaurants to look 344 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,960 at and feed both of those markets. Um some of the other tenants that we're 345 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,600 looking at some dessert curated users like your Jenny's Blended Ice Cream, 346 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:51,440 Salt and Straw and Mayday Ice Cream also looking in the area. And then of course 347 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:55,840 looking for some great curated local shops that uh coffee shops where people 348 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:59,200 can sit and work and spend some time and where community kind of comes together. 349 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:02,640 And a part of that, you know, the signage is important and the 16,000 350 00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:05,919 square feet of amenity space that we have with these big courtyards. That's 351 00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:10,240 an opportunity for these communities to come together and gather. Restaurant 352 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:13,840 patios are super important here as well. Um and then of course targeting some 353 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:17,279 great local services, you know, service related uses that are really going to 354 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:21,520 feed daily needs. And then health and wellness concepts. Um so Solid Core 355 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Pilates is another group that's looking out here. Barry's Boot Camp and Pause. 356 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,720 Um which is one of those like sauna, you know, uh cold plunge type places. And 357 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:34,559 then breakfast is huge. With the church being next door, we definitely want like 358 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:39,279 a great fullervice breakfast concept. So, we're talking with Purvea and 359 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:44,159 Motech. Those are concepts out of Miami um that have multiple locations and very 360 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:48,000 great healthy farmtotable type food. Thank you. 361 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:53,880 » Thank you, Lexi. >> Do we hear anything about macaronis and 362 00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:53,880 meatballs anywhere in there? 363 00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:02,840 » We found our new uh anchor tenant right there. 364 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,840 We can go to the next slide, please. 365 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:12,000 So, in addition to the signage, uh I think that this slide does a good job of 366 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:16,320 of demonstrating the landscaping that'll go on too and and allowing again for 367 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:21,880 this kind of class A space and and an attractive welcome to the town. Go to 368 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,880 the next slide. 369 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:30,960 Looking down at the site plan, this slide will help show how the signs are 370 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:36,080 uh located on the overall project. that one on the corners that's your bottom 371 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:42,080 right uh is in front of the retaining wall area um and there's also some storm 372 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:47,640 water compensation areas there as well um and I believe the next slide has 373 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,640 landscape 374 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:55,279 yeah thank you so Taylor Taylor discussed this as well during staff's 375 00:31:53,039 --> 00:32:00,000 presentation but one of the items we we heard back from ARB uh was having some 376 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:04,559 additional landscaping so our team got right on and amended our landscape plan 377 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:09,279 to provide for some additional landscaping which is up there in the top 378 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:14,640 right corner of the site plan to allow to some some break up of the viewshed 379 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,240 there. Um and then also importantly that rightaway area which I think is going to 380 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:24,720 be a huge benefit to the connectivity of the town um and access to this to this 381 00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:29,679 town center as well. Just have one slide. Yeah. So, uh, wanted to touch a 382 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:34,000 little bit too on the economic economic impact that this project can provide to 383 00:32:31,919 --> 00:32:37,880 the town. So, I'm gonna invite up Castell to talk a little 384 00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:43,200 » Good evening everyone. Mr. Mayor, [sighs] 385 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:47,440 commissioners, um, we're very excited about this project obviously and um, we 386 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:51,840 rent some some numbers for you and we try to be actually conservative. So what 387 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:56,720 you see here is what we're anticipating probably you know the first couple of 388 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:59,760 years as the uh development grows and um like Alex mentioned a couple of uh weeks 389 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,600 ago would rather normally just underpromise and overd deliver. So, we 390 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:06,480 think as far as, you know, uh the private project investment, you know, 391 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:11,840 it's going to be somewhere around 20 to $25 million. And, uh, we wanted to just 392 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:16,799 kind of show you how a tax revenue would look at an assessed value of 20 to $30 393 00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:20,320 million, which would be probably, like I said, around inception in the first 394 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:25,919 couple of years. And, um, we're looking at a total annual property tax value, 395 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:30,480 you know, of up to 610,000. And we actually broke down the town's portion 396 00:33:28,399 --> 00:33:36,320 of that. And you see that on the last column. So we have, you know, 135 to 397 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:40,559 203,000 a year in actual town um benefits. But of course, as you know, um 398 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:44,720 a lot of that six 10 will go to schools and so on and so forth. So we would 399 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:49,519 think there's probably an benefits and um as the project grows, as you probably 400 00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:52,960 all know, most likely assessed value will grow with it, too. So we expect 401 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:58,399 these two to grow, but we wanted to give you a bit of a a bit of a start. So we 402 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:03,120 can go to the next slide. And um we also understand that you know of course 403 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:06,960 there's direct property tax impact but there's other benefits to the town. So 404 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:10,480 one of them would be um you know employment and we put as local jobs 405 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,879 because we think it will attract a lot of u a lot of um you know local local 406 00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:20,879 employment and we estimate permanent jobs anywhere from 450 to 550. Uh we've 407 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:25,679 used you know standard u per square foot data to just kind of you know give you a 408 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:28,159 bit of an estimate. Um we try to just kind of blend, you know, from the blend 409 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:34,320 of tenants and everything. We expect about a4 million dollars a year in 410 00:34:30,720 --> 00:34:38,720 business activity and um um you know, just payroll alone probably 18 to 20 411 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:42,560 million. Um and then you see the total sales tax uh generated would probably 412 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:47,839 you know think it's going to be around $2 million a year. And um I hope you're 413 00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:52,480 just as excited as we are. You know, we're hoping to beat these numbers. Our 414 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:58,240 success is your success and your success is ours. So um I think with that turn it 415 00:34:55,839 --> 00:35:05,119 back unless you had any questions on this 416 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:10,160 go to the next slide. Uh and I'll just conclude here again a lot of work has 417 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:16,079 gone into this project and excited and exciting is the adjectives we keep 418 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:20,720 using. Um this this project in this area it's it's a no-brainer and and this is a 419 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:26,560 this is something that we view as really successful. We spent a lot of time 420 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:30,480 working with FD and other applicable permitting agencies uh to take care of 421 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:36,320 some of the site constraints and the design. And uh I just want to again 422 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:40,079 thank your staff for for all of the considerable time and effort they put 423 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,839 into this. We're excited to get this project going. We're happy to answer any 424 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:49,680 questions. Thank you. >> Thank you, Logan. Appreciate it. Um 425 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:52,960 let's do this first. This is an ordinance. It is a public hearing. So, 426 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:56,240 let's open it up to anybody in the public. Then we'll bring it back to our 427 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,240 the table here and then we'll ask our questions on that. Does anybody in the 428 00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:03,680 audience have any questions or anything? Yes. 429 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:09,079 Claire, there's a seat up here if you want to sit. There's a seat up here. You 430 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,079 good? 431 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,880 » Ed would offer you 432 00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:23,040 Ed Kulicowski 51 Vanir Street. So, uh, so I think this project is is pretty 433 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:27,359 nice and I think it'll add a lot of value to us. But I do have two 434 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:31,680 questions. Number one, if if I understand the plan correctly, there's 435 00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:36,480 going to be a retaining wall along State Route 50. I'm curious how tall that's 436 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:41,599 going to be. Um, that that will be a real visual impediment to uh getting 437 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:47,359 into this project, especially if it's really tall. And so I'd like to hear the 438 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:52,240 developers comments on that. Number two, I'd like to uh understand the 439 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:55,920 development plan. Is this going to be a phased development where we have a few 440 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:01,359 buildings and get some tenants and then build some more or is it going to be 441 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:08,000 accomplished as a single build uh and open for uh for teny and business as as 442 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,800 a whole complete project? >> You guys want to address those? 443 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:21,040 Good evening. Brent Lensen with Kimley Horn, the engineer of record for the 444 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:25,359 project, 200 South Orange Avenue, Sweet 600. Um, so the topography, I was hoping 445 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,079 this question would come up because the team did a great job presenting, but I 446 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:32,200 was hoping I'd have some sort of role here tonight. Um, 447 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:39,830 hold, please. >> I like hers better. [laughter] 448 00:37:39,839 --> 00:37:45,200 So, as Taylor mentioned in the presentation, 449 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,240 the rectangle that's held out that prevents this whole property being a 450 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,079 rectangle is the existing tractor supply. So, if you look at that site 451 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,000 when it was developed, there's an existing dry retention pond to the right 452 00:37:53,920 --> 00:38:01,119 side of it on the east side. And that dry retention detention area does 453 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:05,200 benefit some of the property area that this proposed development is a part of. 454 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,079 The nuance is if you come in the site right on the entrance to tractor supply, 455 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:13,680 you can realize those out parcels right along 50 are much lower. Hydraulically, 456 00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:18,480 we know water can't flow uphill. So storm water wise, you have to raise the 457 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:22,640 site to get water up to the dry pond. In addition, for the balance of the site, 458 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:27,599 we are conveniently or inconveniently located within a recharge basin area 459 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,119 where you're required to first flush storm water through dry pre-treatment. 460 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:36,000 So it forces infiltration into the aquifer. Um, we have additional nutrient 461 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:40,480 requirements for being in a popka basin. So, from a design standpoint, apologies 462 00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:44,720 for the technical jargon, but this is not a great storm water management basin 463 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:48,800 to be in. Um, so there's additional storage, treatment, nutrient removal 464 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:53,040 required. So, all those things being said, that's why that large rectangular 465 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:58,560 white space you see on the plan is an expanded dry retention area. Um, and 466 00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:03,040 then what can't get to that area, you'll see on the lower right hand corner 467 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:07,520 there's the boomerang. So that is an elevated higher dry pre-treatment and 468 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:10,880 then it gets to the triangular lower pond area which is going to be your 469 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:15,440 traditional wet detention storm water pond. So that's the pond that'll have 470 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,400 water in it all the time. All those other areas will be dry. Um, so all that 471 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:24,079 to say this project is really all those regulations are required by St. John's 472 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,280 River Water Management District. uh we have secured a permit through St. John's 473 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:30,560 River Water Management District for this project and to make the master 474 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:36,240 infrastructure and storm water management work. That is why the site 475 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:40,160 has to be up as high as it is. Um so as you come along 50 and you start at the 476 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:45,040 entry on the far left side of this plan, you'll start with a wall that ultimately 477 00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:48,880 holds up higher as 50 drops down there. So at the main entry, that rotating wall 478 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,640 is going to be close to 10 feet tall. And that's just the reality like Taylor 479 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:56,720 mentioned that the true dimension from the far or elevation from the far 480 00:39:55,359 --> 00:40:01,520 northwest corner where the tractor supply pond is to the water in the 481 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:06,079 existing ditch of the southeast, it's 18 feet. It goes from a 114 to a 96. 482 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:09,119 There's a lot of grade change. It's it's misleading. I drove by the site again 483 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:13,440 this this evening coming here. I was like, man, it doesn't look like 18 feet, 484 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:17,760 but it truly is. Um, so there's a lot of engineering challenges that force the 485 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,839 plan to demand a retaining wall along 50. Um, there are some challenges with 486 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:25,760 that. I can understand from a visibility standpoint, but truly the way this 487 00:40:24,240 --> 00:40:29,680 project has been designed to almost internally centralize the focus of the 488 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:34,720 development. The intent is to really separate from 50. 50 is not a very 489 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:37,599 pedestrian walkable corridor. Um, so within this development, having the 490 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,720 multiple buildings facing each other, it creates more of a town center feel, 491 00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:43,200 which is what the project's really being designed for. 492 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:47,200 That's kind of how we've had to counteract the topography and the 493 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:51,359 elevation change throughout the site. I hope that helped answer that question. 494 00:40:51,038 --> 00:40:54,960 [laughter] >> That's the highest by the height of that 495 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,400 ceiling right there, man. >> Mayor, commissioners, my name is Alex 496 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:05,280 Ree. I'm one of the managers in the project. Um, from a lease up standpoint, 497 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:10,319 the uh the goal is is to do a single build. It's really predicated on tenant 498 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:14,800 uh lease up, right? because you don't want to build something and not have a 499 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:19,119 tenant there. There's a there's a lot of specs that go into each individual 500 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:23,119 tenant. So, some tenants want, you know, different courtyard stuff. They want 501 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:29,359 different things in their building, whether it's grease traps or restroom 502 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:34,560 locations or things. So, our idea as it sits now is to do the engineering at one 503 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:39,599 time and kind of get it pad ready and and lease up the project. Again, we're 504 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:44,560 going to ICSE at the end of the uh at the end of the the month and we've got a 505 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:51,040 lot of appointments. Um this is a very very very popular 506 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:56,079 site. Uh thank goodness. It's um it's a when we first got the engineering, we 507 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:59,760 about fell out of our chair. All right. Because nobody wants to build a 10-ft 508 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:05,680 retaining wall and nobody wants to put $7 million in engineering work on a 509 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:10,400 site, right? That's that was crazy. Uh what we've kind of come away with is 510 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:14,640 this creates an oasis for the town. You know, you kind of have to make lemonade 511 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:18,640 sometimes out of lemons. And so the way this sits up now, it'll have a lot of 512 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:24,480 privacy. It'll cut down all the road noise from Highway 50. It'll give a very 513 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,680 unique feel to the center. You're not going to feel like you're on Highway 50. 514 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:32,640 You're going to feel like you're in a a place way off of Highway 50 with 515 00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:36,800 fountains and nice pedestrian walkways and nice landscaping. It's going to feel 516 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:42,480 very different. We've added golf cart parking as well. And our goal is to 517 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:45,920 create a very winter park, winter garden feeling to this, right? We want to we 518 00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:50,000 want to bring something to the community that everybody in the community 519 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:54,880 participates in and comes over and wants to have dinner, wants to do something in 520 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:59,040 this particular town center. Um, we're very proud of it. We named it uh Oakland 521 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:05,040 Town Center because we wanted to be a marquee for the town of Oakland. Um, we 522 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:10,079 think that this is going to help bridge uh, Highway 50, if you will, into the 523 00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:13,520 town in a very nice, meaningful way. Uh, and I hope we do have a full lease up. 524 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:18,240 We'll know more about that. Maybe on the second reading I can answer that in more 525 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:21,520 detail, you know, but we do have a lot of great interested tenants that we're 526 00:43:19,839 --> 00:43:26,720 very grateful that we have. There's a lot of interest because of the close 527 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:32,160 proximity to Horizon's West obviously to the south. 528 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:36,240 You know, Winter Garden right to the east and you have Claremont to the west. 529 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:40,560 You and you're blocked by, you know, Lake Aapka. So, there's just a lot of 530 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:46,640 trips per day through here. And there's a lot of uh how should I put this? the 531 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:51,599 the the type of uh folks that live in these areas are very in high demand for 532 00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:58,079 a lot of these retailers and a lot of these uh food businesses and stuff. So, 533 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:59,920 to that end, um we're very excited. So, hopefully that answered the the question 534 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,359 for you. >> Thanks, Alex. I like how you put the 535 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:10,000 success and failure on this project on the leasing broker. So, that's good. Uh 536 00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:15,359 yeah, absolutely. Any anyone else have any questions or comments in the public? 537 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:18,560 Okay. So, seeing nothing else, we'll close the public hearing and bring it 538 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:23,200 back here. And Commissioner Keller, do you want to start off? 539 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:28,079 » I have a few things, but I first I want to say that I'm very excited about this 540 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:32,640 project. I think it is um wonderful that you all see the potential here. Um I did 541 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,960 cheat and watch the PNZ meeting because I wanted to get some more information. 542 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:41,440 So, I was excited to hear about some of the entities that are considering space 543 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:45,920 and whatnot. So, um, and again, thank you for thinking of Oakland. So, I have 544 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,839 a couple of things. They might sound a little nitpicky, I have to confess, but 545 00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:55,040 I there are things that I think are kind of important to address. And I'll just 546 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:58,800 start with the first one which again love the project but I'm a little 547 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:04,720 concerned about the Oakland Town Center because we do have our town center here 548 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:10,480 that we kind of consider the core of the town the historic downtown of our of our 549 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:16,400 town and um we do have plans to do you know development down Tub Street and 550 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:21,440 whatnot. So, um, personally, I understand wanting to call that. 551 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:25,280 Again, I love the feel of that space and how it's going to be, but that's just 552 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:30,800 something that I don't know if anybody else has any feelings about that, but I 553 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:36,240 definitely um want to put that out there and anyone else can. Obviously, I'm one 554 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:39,920 vote. We're all one vote. Um, it's not a deal breakaker, but it's just something 555 00:45:37,839 --> 00:45:44,480 that I think is important because we do have our downtown center here and I just 556 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:50,160 want to make sure we don't take away from that. So, that would be something 557 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:54,720 that is important to me. Um, another thing is the and again I understand 558 00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:59,920 there's going to be a ginormous retaining wall along 50, but um, 559 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:05,839 particularly I think it's really I think it's building two and three that the the 560 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:11,520 ones that or two and four that front Highway 50 above the wall. Um, from the 561 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:18,960 illustrations and the renderings that I've seen, I don't love that kind of 562 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,319 back a house look. Um I've been out of town so I didn't have the chance to I 563 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:28,160 wanted to drive through Winter Park and kind of see how 1792 looks because yes 564 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:32,800 um it is elevated and we want to drive everybody to that center core. This 565 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:38,640 really is kind of becoming and you said it yourself a gateway to our town. So, 566 00:46:36,319 --> 00:46:43,760 um, I have some concerns about just the backs of those buildings and how they 567 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:48,960 ba, you know, even at a above a wall. I'd like to see something to I drove by 568 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,560 like I drove down Sand Lake Road and I looked at like the Trader Joe's and the 569 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:56,079 developments along Sand Lake Road that have some back of house and they've 570 00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:01,680 basically made those back of those buildings look as similar to the front 571 00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:06,319 of the building. So, that would be something that I would like to possibly 572 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:11,760 see. uh that could be addressed better. Um or even with landscaping just to make 573 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:17,520 that not so look like the back of a building as you're driving through the 574 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:23,200 gateway of our town, right? Um so bear with me. I'm trying to remember all my 575 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:26,400 scribble here. So, um I'd also be open to if you guys have other developments 576 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,000 where you've done this kind of frontage, if you want to give us some ideas on 577 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:33,000 that, I'd be interested in going to see those. 578 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:43,839 And the only other thing is the Katherine Ross Road signage. Um, my only 579 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:49,040 concern is, you know, that's kind of a it's become a main street to cut through 580 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:53,920 to 50, but the fact that it's kind of residential and there's a neighborhood 581 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:58,000 there. Don't love that big sign on Katherine Ross. I'm okay with the other 582 00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:01,520 ones and especially that one on the corner I think kind of covers. I know 583 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:06,160 it's only going to be anchored tenants, but I feel like it addresses folks on 584 00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:10,160 Katherine Ross. Kathern Ross Road isn't going to, in my opinion, be like a major 585 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,079 thoroughfare, but I think it is good to have an access point from Katherine Ross 586 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:19,200 Road. So, those are the kind of the things that are important to me. 587 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:26,079 » You guys want to address anything that >> Yeah. Yeah. 588 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:31,680 I think from a from aation perspective off of 50, I think um what you'll find 589 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:36,400 is that we've we've really made those buildings look not like back of house. 590 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:40,559 Like it's not like a flat building, right? We've we've taken a lot of the 591 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:47,119 architecture and the only thing that it's missing is windows, right? It's 592 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:52,079 missing a window component. Um the buildings are up very high, so it will 593 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:55,359 be very difficult to see it going by, but there's a lot of landscaping. The 594 00:48:53,760 --> 00:49:00,880 landscaping is probably going to be the biggest buffer. And so I would say that 595 00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:06,240 I think that's been addressed, but I would love to get down with like like 596 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:10,240 maybe get a sit down with you on those buildings particularly and just walk 597 00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:16,720 through those buildings. I do want to make clear that um all of your comments 598 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:20,800 are very important to us. Okay. I I uh as a developer, we want to have, you 599 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:24,319 know, we want every vote. We don't want a a majority. We want every single vote 600 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:30,160 here, and we're willing to work for those votes. I think, case in point, um 601 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:34,240 we put some landscaping on the back of the project because there was a uh a 602 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,400 person in one of the meetings that was not uh satisfied with the landscaping 603 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,839 buffer between our project and the school, which I thought was a was a good 604 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:47,200 idea. We've also added golf cart parking, which was suggested at the last 605 00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:52,559 meeting. My point is like this project's already fairly expensive and if we have 606 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:57,359 to do a few things to make sure that you're satisfied with the project, we're 607 00:49:54,319 --> 00:50:01,000 happy to do those things. Um, did you want to hit on the other 608 00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:07,520 » mentions? Yeah, I I do think they're they're great questions and we we really 609 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,839 thought about that actually and and especially the buildings you mentioned. 610 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:16,079 Um, so of course the retaining wall left aside, we thought, okay, well, how can 611 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,119 we even make that better? So, um, and and we don't have the full renderings 612 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,559 here because we try to keep the presentation just a little shorter. Um, 613 00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:26,000 I can even probably send you something that's a a lot more specific to those 614 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:30,319 buildings so you can kind of have a bit of a visual. So, what we did there is, 615 00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:35,040 of course, you know, we we added um additional landscaping at the top of the 616 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:38,880 u the wall. And as far as the elevation itself, we kept it identical on the 617 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:43,680 front and the back. So both sides are actually identical. So we kept all the 618 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:47,440 articulation and all the beauty of the front except like Alex mentioned uh we 619 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:52,319 took away the fenestration because in truth we um cost left aside. We actually 620 00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:57,119 thought that um because of the height and because of the landscaping we're 621 00:50:53,680 --> 00:51:00,319 adding um those 10 12t windows were probably not going to be v visible to 622 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,920 begin with. But we did think about that and and purposely um and I can 623 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,760 understand your fear because a lot of buildings the back of the buildings 624 00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:11,280 they're just flat. So, you know, they forgive all the, you know, forget all 625 00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:15,280 the beauty. Um, I'll actually even add further that even the rear buildings 626 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,119 that are facing the dry retention, we kept the back of those identical to the 627 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,480 front, too. So, we kept all of the bumpouts and all the articulation and 628 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:25,520 everything just to to still, you know, give that beauty. And like I said, I can 629 00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:29,760 send you some visuals that are maybe they'll they'll they'll um make you 630 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:34,960 understand it a little bit better. the images that I saw and I I wasn't sure I 631 00:51:31,839 --> 00:51:38,640 was get to it where the where those and it's really the like the dry retention 632 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,960 pond the back of those buildings I think is less critical but 633 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:44,960 » Oh no I agree >> ones on 50 looked and and again just 634 00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,599 trying to figure out which building was which building in the renderings I 635 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,800 wasn't really 100% sure but it did just you know like there's one where there's 636 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:56,960 like a back of a building and there's like a UPS guy you know they're showing 637 00:51:55,040 --> 00:52:00,640 because again fair back of those buildings where they're going to get 638 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:04,880 delivery So either the back of those buildings need to be dressed up a little 639 00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:08,559 bit or that landscaping needs to be a little bit higher so you're not really 640 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,319 seeing the back of those buildings. >> Again, I understand what you're saying 641 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:14,240 if you're driving on >> bottom 642 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,960 » the bottom will be Yeah. >> I thought it was Yeah. So 643 00:52:16,831 --> 00:52:19,280 [clears throat] >> and that's going to be 10 feet. 644 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:23,359 » Yeah. And that doesn't show the retaining wall naturally, right? 645 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:26,480 » 10 feet from the people on that side of driving down that side of 50. If you're 646 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:31,680 on the other side, you're going to see the back of that. And you know, again, 647 00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:36,319 this is our gateway to our community. And I just want to make sure that it 648 00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,760 looks welcoming for your project success. 649 00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:41,760 » Yeah, 100%. >> And it's again, it's really just those 650 00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:46,400 two buildings that I think are the biggest issue because 651 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,400 » it just looks a little industrial there because it's just the back of the 652 00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,359 buildings and >> and it could also be, you know, not to 653 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,680 interrupt you, it could also be a fact. It is a rendering obviously, so the 654 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:56,960 landscaping, you know, is representative. Um, of course when the 655 00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:59,680 landscape architects and we'll get together with with the town on this too. 656 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:03,200 Of course, you know, they'll they'll have their say as well and I think this 657 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,319 was discussed a little bit in the past where you know, of course we can add, 658 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:11,520 you know, something that's that's um, you know, much taller per se. Um, yeah. 659 00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:15,760 And but you can >> guess like the door that 660 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:19,280 » Yes. And that is because it's directly eye level too. So I can understand that 661 00:53:17,359 --> 00:53:21,760 perfectly. Um if you don't mind I can send you know probably through the town 662 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:26,960 I can send you a couple additional renderings from pedestrian level 663 00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:30,480 actually on 50 so you can see but which looks a little bit different and with a 664 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:33,040 little more landscaping and this is what I wanted to point out how the 665 00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:38,079 articulation of the building it's identical to the other side. So we 666 00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:41,760 didn't really do the flat um building for that purpose alone because it was 667 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,119 important for us to um to do that. But I can send you some stuff if that would be 668 00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:50,640 okay. Um reminded me one of the things that I forgot to mention and again I 669 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:56,480 know it's been through ARB already. Um >> I again I think it's beautiful. I do 670 00:53:53,680 --> 00:54:00,480 feel like, you know, I don't, you know, we're it's I'm struggling because like, 671 00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:05,680 you know, we have this like historic downtown and again and this is kind of 672 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:10,079 new and flashy and I think it's great, but I I was surprised that ARB didn't I 673 00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:13,280 don't know if they I didn't watch their meeting so I don't know what they 674 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:18,559 addressed, but about, you know, the aesthetic being a little more of our 675 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:22,480 charm for our town. Um I don't want to be a mini winter park. I want us to be 676 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:30,240 uniquely open, you know, and I think that personally I would like to see it 677 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:34,160 maybe a little more old Florida like that's what like my neighborhood was 678 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,240 required to do when we built the houses were built at my neighborhood and some 679 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:42,559 of the other house you know developments that's been a thing that you know we've 680 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:47,119 looked at with those um the houses in those neighborhoods was kind of more 681 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:50,880 that old Florida and uniquely Florida. I think there's a way to still do that and 682 00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:54,800 still get the kind of clientele that we're hoping for. But again, that again, 683 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,720 that's just my personal feeling. >> No, and I think it's, you know, it's a 684 00:54:56,160 --> 00:55:01,839 fair point. We It's really tough, right? Because we've thought of so many things 685 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,119 and and we've really considered everything. Obviously, you know, we try 686 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:08,800 to think of the community, try to think of the architecture, uh, quality of it, 687 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,359 of course, the economic visibility because they all just go together. So, 688 00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:15,040 it's like you can't really do one without the other. Um, we try to make it 689 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:19,280 as beautiful as possible. Of course, I'm not going to repeat the outdoor areas or 690 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:23,680 whatever. Even in our architecture, we try to if you look at I mean, I know the 691 00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:27,200 renderings are a little smaller, but um we have two different architectural 692 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,280 styles that are complementing each other. So, and that allows us to have 693 00:55:29,359 --> 00:55:35,760 buildings that are different in although they keep the general, you know, design 694 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,640 and look, um but you don't have that retail center where it's like every 695 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,400 building is a cookie cutter. they only have two sets of buildings that are um 696 00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:47,680 if you want to call it identical, but it's because they're split by courtyard. 697 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:50,559 Um another thing we did is um and this is just kind of an indirect answer to 698 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:54,799 your question because you know it's it's hard for obviously you know that's it's 699 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,640 hard to um to change the architecture at this point but even on the variance of 700 00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:03,920 um you know the extending the building width to 220 ft I believe it's what it 701 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:08,480 was um we decided not even to use the maximum of that. We've actually split up 702 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:11,040 a lot of the buildings. So, we um we try to like like Alex said, just to make it 703 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,480 as >> good for you as possible. 704 00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:17,760 » Very old Florida. The landscaping, right? If you look at the landscaping, 705 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:21,359 we used a great deal of of palm trees and made it kind of old Florida in that 706 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:24,960 regard because we don't want to lose that as well. I mean, here's the thing. 707 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:29,599 We're not trying to come in and do some shiny project, right? We're our goal is 708 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:35,040 to drive something that feels like it belongs here. Okay? I think that was 709 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:38,319 kind of the um the benefit frankly of having it raised up, you know, because 710 00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,440 when it first was raised up, we thought the project was just not feasible. I 711 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:44,960 mean, it was there was a period of time where it looked like, hey, with the kind 712 00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:48,720 of engineering work that it's going to take to do this project, this is better 713 00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:55,839 suited for, you know, something other than us. And uh and so over time, kind 714 00:56:53,119 --> 00:57:00,000 of the benefit of of being on Highway 50 is that rents have gone up. and the 715 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:05,520 rents that have gone up have sort of allowed us to fund a project like this. 716 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:10,559 This is a very very nice project. It's a it's definitely not a cookie cutter 717 00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:16,079 project. It's a highclass project. Yes, it's a forward-looking 718 00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:20,079 uh architecture. Um but it's not leaving Oakland behind forward. It's the the 719 00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:25,359 landscaping and the lushness of it I think really helps blend kind of what's 720 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:29,200 modern today with what is still, you know, Oakland. I I I think it goes well 721 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:32,480 with the city. Obviously, you know, everyone is entitled to their to their 722 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:36,720 opinion, but I really like it for the town. I think the landscaping alone and 723 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:41,920 the height of it is going to create this oasis for for the town to come and and 724 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:46,480 gather. So, as far as the sound sign on Katherine Ross, 725 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:49,599 the reason we added that sign uh was the fact that we felt like there were going 726 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:53,760 to be quite a few people coming down Katherine Ross that would want to know 727 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:59,520 what's in the center without having to get on 50. and that marquee, albeit if 728 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:04,240 you are turning on Katherine Ross, you do see those four uh key tenants, if you 729 00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:10,799 will, but when you turn on to Katherine Ross, you you don't see the majority of 730 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:14,640 the tenants in in the center. And what we thought is we thought hoped if you 731 00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:19,359 will, we hoped that a lot of people in the town came over and they were on golf 732 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:22,400 carts and and came from the town and they could see what was in the center 733 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:27,200 through that sign and that was kind of a gateway for them to to look at and see 734 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:33,520 and recognize those tenants that again we're trying to inventory this. Um, you 735 00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:37,599 guys did a uh a study about seven or eight years ago and uh and I read that 736 00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,400 study and and what what I took away from that study was that you guys wanted a 737 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,960 lot of restaurants that were like farm-to-table good quality stuff like 738 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:50,640 quality food restaurants. We're not slapping this full of, you know, Fortune 739 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:54,799 500 companies, right? This isn't, you know, McDonald's and Chick-fil-A and, 740 00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:58,559 you know, everything else. And and a lot of that is uh a lot of those deals are 741 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:02,240 deal driven, meaning that you know the reason Chick-fil-A goes somewhere and 742 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:06,559 the reason a lot of these big majors go places is because they sell for a cap 743 00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:10,319 rate and their cap rates are very low. And so from a financial perspective, 744 00:59:08,319 --> 00:59:16,079 they're very desirable to have in a center, right? So we kind of uh I mean 745 00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:20,799 obviously in some respects I I just want you to understand like the the dollars 746 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:23,680 and cents of this. We shun that and we said no, we don't that's not our goal 747 00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:28,720 here. Our goal is to create something that's going to survive the next 10, 20, 748 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:35,119 30 years and grow with the town and have a lot of boutique feel to it. And when I 749 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:38,480 suggest Winter Park or or Winter Garden, I'm not suggesting that we want to make 750 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:42,480 it, you know, Winter Park or Winter Garden. What I'm suggesting is what 751 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:47,839 those towns have done very well, I think, is they've kept like a very 752 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:51,920 boutique feel to their town. It's a very unique feel, right? They didn't you 753 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:56,079 don't they didn't sell out to just all these major retailers. And that's what 754 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,440 I'm saying when I talk about that. I'm I'm I'm saying that we're not going to 755 00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:03,599 do that. We're not going to bring in, you know, all Fortune 500 companies and 756 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:09,119 all these big mass uh you know, retailers. So, was there there's one 757 01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:13,440 more question that you had? Um I I for I apologize. The name I'm happy to change 758 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:17,359 the name, right? If you guys want to change the name, I'm happy to change the 759 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:21,520 name. We thought the name was cool. I like the name because of the fact that 760 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:25,760 it was Oakland Town Center. I wanted to we wanted to advertise it as a town 761 01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:30,240 center feel. But your point is well taken. We do not want to cannibalize 762 01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:36,000 your town center and we do not want to take over your town center. So I'm happy 763 01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:39,920 to come to the next reading with five different names and we can all talk 764 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:44,400 about the names. That's easy change and it's not like we're beholden to that. So 765 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:49,520 that's easy. Thank you for considering that because I think it's an amazing 766 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:54,640 project and I and I don't want to have things that make you scared to not come 767 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:58,000 here and not do this because we >> No, we're not scared. I mean, look, this 768 01:00:56,079 --> 01:01:01,680 is a partnership, right? And we need feedback from from everyone here. Uh 769 01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,040 it's a partnership. I mean, you're trusting us and we're trusting you. This 770 01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:09,760 is a lot of money for our group. All right. Um you know, we're not Unicor, 771 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:14,559 right? That's a big project for us. And so we're here to do something that's a 772 01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:18,960 that's a big project that we've picked Oakland to do it in because we think the 773 01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:22,559 city uh is ready for this project and we think the 774 01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:26,720 people that we've worked with have been super supportive of the project. But 775 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:30,960 honestly, we think it's going to be feasible for us to make money on this 776 01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:34,400 project. Uh we're not looking to to to to make all the money in the world on 777 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,240 this project. We're looking to develop a project that everyone in this room can 778 01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:41,599 be proud of that project. That's the goal. 779 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:45,440 » I think that's great. We think Oakland's a very special town and I think this is 780 01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:50,559 a very special project and we're glad that you're considering doing it here. 781 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:52,880 » Thank you. Thank you very much. >> That for me. 782 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:56,160 » All right. We'll go to Commissioner Molly. 783 01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:03,440 » Good evening. I just have a few points and I guess I will um begin by tail 784 01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:09,440 ending some a few of the concerns that um Commissioner Keller brought up. Um 785 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:14,400 the name to me was the town center. Again, um I think that with the 786 01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:19,200 comprehensive plan that we've developed for what we consider to be our town 787 01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:24,799 center, that project just would not be the center of the town. Um so that's my 788 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:29,200 commentary on that. However, I will expound on, you know, our quest for 789 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:34,160 commercial development. I think that this is a project that is much needed 790 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:40,480 and desired in the area. Um, the plans are diversity of design, are attractive, 791 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:44,640 um, and and brings a little character and and maybe people to the town that, 792 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,960 you know, aren't familiar or pass through and want to be a part of this 793 01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:53,359 community. So I think that in that vein we've got diversity of down we've got 794 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:58,079 fourth and tub we've got this and then the comprehensive plan will come later 795 01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:02,160 which will address you know some of the character and the intimate nature and 796 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:09,599 details that we want to preserve in the town. My only question with regard to 797 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:14,640 the landscape plan would be um the area of enhanced screening um between the 798 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:22,000 educational space. I kind of wanted to get a a better idea of the visibility 799 01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:26,599 um and and plan for that separation of the educational space with the project. 800 01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:31,799 » So as that graphic gets pulled up, 801 01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:43,760 » so the let's keep it simple. The larger circles are canopy trees. So, the 802 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:48,559 initial plan did have the significant cluster towards the right side. Sorry, 803 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:52,559 I'm way taller than this microphone. Um, they had the significant cluster on the 804 01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:56,799 right side already on the plan for buffering. And then we had the spots 805 01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,960 along the storm water management pond, but what has been added is hard to see 806 01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:05,599 in this image is the dark black strip is a hedge row. Um, so that'd be something 807 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:08,319 along the lines of a viburnum, podarpus, something like that that you'd plant 808 01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:12,880 probably at three or four foot plant height. Um, but that can grow to be 809 01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:18,160 substantial seven, eight feet easily edged out. So, it's a more opaque buffer 810 01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:21,880 along that facade just to add some screening from the school. 811 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:28,559 We can work with staff during the the engineering and site plan approvals just 812 01:04:27,119 --> 01:04:31,680 to make sure the planted height is appropriate for having screening day one 813 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:37,799 instead of five years later you actually have shrub that you can't see through. 814 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:37,799 » Okay. Thank you. 815 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:46,240 Okay. So, we've determined that that retaining wall is 10 feet tall going 816 01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:50,920 down 50 and heading to the west. It kind of goes down a little bit. Is that 817 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,920 correct? 818 01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:54,720 » That's just kind of half where I'm going. But 819 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:58,079 » yeah, I I want to make sure the image isn't the whole frontage of 50 is a 10 820 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:02,000 foot wall because it will not. You're you're going to start at almost nothing 821 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:05,200 on the left end of the screen. Start getting it from nothing. It's going to 822 01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:08,640 grow to 10 feet at the main entry driveway. Then it's going to go to about 823 01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:12,880 six feet as you get towards the storm water management pond and turn in 824 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:15,839 basically go around that triangular >> that 825 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:22,640 » so it's not a solid 10 foot blank wall. >> So when it goes around the corner on 826 01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:26,720 Katherine Ross Road um >> so what it won't 827 01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:32,880 » massic and it took me like 20 years to be able to say so [laughter] 828 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:36,319 um when it goes around there same thing. >> So it won't go around Kathern Ross road. 829 01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:40,559 So what you see on the plan is we're going to wall up basically that dry 830 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:44,960 storm water we'll call it for today's purposes the boomerang pond. So that'll 831 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:48,960 be up higher at a higher elevation and it's going to drop down to where that 832 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:51,839 wet triangular okay wet pond is. So that pond you see on the corner is going to 833 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:54,960 be at grade. It'll be a traditional when you're at Katherine Ross and 50 there's 834 01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:58,160 no walls right there. >> I got it. 835 01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:01,680 » Okay. And so and I'm assuming the road to be built is going to probably go 836 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:05,680 right back behind the school. >> Correct. Between us and the school. So 837 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:10,960 that will almost that will be ground level itself all the way back here. Yes, 838 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:14,000 sir. So the building is facing there >> will be 839 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:17,359 » Yeah. grade same as the road. >> Chris's point that you want to make sure 840 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:21,760 that it's just not a back of a building and I understand it's backing up to the 841 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:28,799 school, but there's a few people on the west end of it too that it would go 842 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:34,559 behind. So okay. And then uh to be the downer in the room, I do have 843 01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:38,640 to agree is It's what we need. I And I understand we've been trying to figure 844 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:43,359 out how to do this for a long time. Uh it is the project that we need, but I 845 01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:49,039 mean I I don't know any other way to put it, but in my mind it does not have an 846 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:53,920 Oakland look or feel to it. Um we can say the architecture or the the 847 01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:59,920 landscaping, you know, is old Florida, but the buildings are not. And that's a 848 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:03,760 stumbling point for me. I don't know if it's a it's not a deal closure at this 849 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:09,520 point, but it definitely doesn't look what we've worked for for the last, you 850 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:14,240 know, forever to be that I'll use the word we haven't used in a long time, 851 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:18,079 that the Mayberry look. Um, and I don't know if there's anything that 852 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:23,160 additionally could dress up some of that at some point or if we're too far past 853 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,160 that. 854 01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:30,079 Yeah, I mean we we got a little bit of time for the second reading. So, we'll 855 01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:33,599 we'll take a look at those things. Um I can't do it as eloquently as Castell and 856 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:38,880 Alex, but a lot of thought went into this. Um your points are well taken. I 857 01:07:36,400 --> 01:07:41,599 think they call that Florida vernacular. Correct. So, we'll look into those items 858 01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:46,559 for a second. >> Yeah. Just something we be honest with 859 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:49,920 you that was a stumbling block with the racetrack for 10 years before we moved 860 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:53,200 forward till we could come to an agreement on what it was. I mean, that's 861 01:07:51,599 --> 01:07:58,079 how much we really want, you know, that look 862 01:07:55,119 --> 01:08:03,440 to be. But again, the project is what we need here. So, there's not a I don't 863 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,640 feel that I would want to stop this project. Don't don't get me wrong. But 864 01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:12,960 if there's a way that we can make it look a little more glory, I guess for 865 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:18,319 the the [laughter] word, that's the Jimmy Buffett word, Floridaity. 866 01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:21,520 » One one thing I wanted to mention is uh you know, we we did add a lot of 867 01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:24,239 cladding. a lot of brick. I know it's not very visible in the small 868 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:27,600 renderings, but you'll find that a lot of the pillars and, you know, next to 869 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,000 the tenant spaces, you know, we did add some of that brick that kind of reminds 870 01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:34,640 you of Oakland. So, and I understand your point perfectly. It's not, you 871 01:08:31,679 --> 01:08:37,920 know, a picture perfect of um identical with Oakland, but we did do that. Um, 872 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:42,400 you know, another way to do it, it's lighting, too. Um, you know, and we 873 01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:46,560 also, um, chose the colors intentfully as well because we wanted to be warm and 874 01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,279 not just like a cold modern look. So, um, and to Logan's point, you know, we 875 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,080 of course we'll kind of brainstorm a little bit, too, but I wanted to bring 876 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,400 up the cladding because it is harder to see in the smaller renderings. So, okay. 877 01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:59,759 » Um, yeah. Well, I appreciate it. >> Thank you. 878 01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:02,480 » I could just say, so I think it sounds like we just need some different 879 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:07,839 renderings. It sounds like you've already kind of made some things that it 880 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:13,440 just these renderings look very modern and very square and and I think you know 881 01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:17,040 maybe it's just that you've got it sounds like you have better renderings 882 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,719 that would maybe be more in line with what we're 883 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:22,000 » that's definitely what we want to do. We want to bring new renderings and and 884 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:25,679 share those with you guys with the wall and everything and share the lighting 885 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:30,080 that Costell mentioned. there was a lot of uh you know, not to harp on it, but 886 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:34,400 the lighting is more of an old school look and so with the landscaping. So, I 887 01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,640 do we do want to share those with you because we did it wasn't lost on us that 888 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:43,520 we wanted this to look kind of old Florida. It's just this is the type of 889 01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:49,440 construction that is being done right now, too. And so, it's um in the sense 890 01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:55,440 of tenants and and whatnot. Um and there was a you know, I hate to get into it, 891 01:09:51,359 --> 01:09:59,520 but this is the best looking budget construction. Like if you get 892 01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:04,880 into just doing everything a completely, you know, different uh elevation, the 893 01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:10,400 cost can be get just astronomical. It can be kind of like almost impossible to 894 01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:14,440 do a project in that in that regard. >> Okay. 895 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,440 » Do your best. 896 01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:23,520 » Good. Uh okay. Mine uh mine's I'm going to d I'm going to dive into more of the 897 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:29,679 developer agreement on on some things. I think Again, I'll echo I it's a it's a 898 01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:34,159 great project. I'm excited about it. Um and this may be something between 899 01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:39,840 developer and attorneys and can work out and stuff, but um just on the developers 900 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:43,760 agreement there is I'm on page three a permitted and prohibited uses. Um one of 901 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:47,760 the things I brought up was educational facilities. I know that some of this is 902 01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:51,280 probably taken from the code as well. When I think of educational facilities, 903 01:10:49,440 --> 01:10:55,760 I think and it specifically says in here, not limited to daycare, prek, and 904 01:10:53,360 --> 01:11:00,320 kindergarten. Um, just to the north is a school with a prek and and a 905 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:05,440 kindergarten. Uh, and and just down the street is a Kitty Academy that's uh 906 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:09,840 right there. So, um if there's a way that we can strike that educational 907 01:11:07,440 --> 01:11:16,960 facilities maybe work better with uh if it was a um a tutoring facility or or um 908 01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:20,719 Gary said Crumb was another one or something like that. So, so I mean those 909 01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:25,199 would work because they're kind of more of a retail type thing. I what I would 910 01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:29,120 not want to open it up to is somebody coming in and you leasing it to a 911 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:32,800 daycare and they say, "Well, I got to put an outdoor space and I'm just going 912 01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:36,880 to use part of this plaza and I'm going to fence it in and stuff." So, if we can 913 01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,080 just negate any of that or any of that confusion there, I think that would be 914 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:46,400 best. So, maybe in that development agreement, we just kind of break through 915 01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:50,800 that uh that that issue. Okay, great. Um, and then the other one I had on that 916 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:55,760 same section was retail sale of automotive parts. It's not like I want 917 01:11:52,880 --> 01:12:01,840 an AutoZone or anything like that in the plaza. So, um, I don't believe that that 918 01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:04,159 uh neither would anybody else. I mean, you wouldn't want to pull your car up 919 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,679 and the guy walks out with a battery and changes out your car. That gains to stay 920 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:09,679 there. >> Yeah. 921 01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:14,239 » So, just to give you clarity on why we left that in, we left that in because 30 922 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:19,280 years from now, right? >> Yeah. We you know yeah I mean in other 923 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:22,239 words things happen and and so the reason you leave these in is just to 924 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:25,520 give it's not even for our development so I have no problems taking it out just 925 01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:28,960 be clear why we left it in you want to leave it in with the broadest use 926 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,920 possible for any future development you know 20 years from now 30 years from now 927 01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:37,760 that's the reason it was left out >> agreed 30 years we'll be flying in cars 928 01:12:34,719 --> 01:12:42,080 so absolutely so so we'll we'll we'll just I'll hand these notes to to um the 929 01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,440 town and they can they can relay those through you as well um on from the 930 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:48,320 phasing. I think you answered that question, Ed's question. I had a 931 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,360 question as well. Is it's multiple phases or is it one phase? It's good to 932 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:57,679 hear that you're going to try to knock it out in one phase and put all the 933 01:12:53,840 --> 01:13:00,800 burden on your leasing agent. Um, >> thanks for the golf cart parking. That's 934 01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:04,719 great. I I think it's going to be a bigger than you think on golf cart 935 01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,199 parking with people, the amount of golf carts that are in this town coming from 936 01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:16,320 Winter Garden and everywhere. So, um, thank you for doing that. um lighting um 937 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:18,560 that you have here on Jay. Um is it possible and I don't think you have it 938 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:22,560 in there. You're obviously you're gonna have lighting inside the development and 939 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:27,199 and all that. Um is there a possibility to put lighting along Katherine Ross 940 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:32,080 along just in front of your pre your your your premises? 941 01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:35,120 You know, it's like street lighting or something like that to look at. Maybe 942 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:39,760 three lamps or something like that to take a look at. Okay. 943 01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:45,520 With regard to lighting, do we have anything in our code about I know my 944 01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:47,920 predecessor um dark sky and is it in there? 945 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:52,640 » It's in here. Yeah. >> Yeah. That Rick. 946 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:57,360 No, it's uh it's definitely in there. Dark skies compliant, which everything 947 01:13:54,880 --> 01:14:00,400 in Orange County has has to be know. But yeah, if you can and I'll leave the 948 01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:03,280 again, it's marked up on the site plan. You can just take a look at that, see if 949 01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:07,440 that's something that we can work together on. Um, and then the other one 950 01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:11,760 you had down here was storm water and environmental. And I noticed that the 951 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:16,640 Motomassic canal, it cuts in front of your wet retention pond and dry pond is 952 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:21,600 kind of right there on the edge. Were there any plans to do anything any 953 01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:25,880 treatments to that versus what it looks like today, which is just a ditch? 954 01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:32,520 Is it? Well, 955 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:43,600 Yeah, we have limitations with what we're actually able to do because it's 956 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:47,280 within an easement dedicated. It's DOT drainage, but I don't think there is an 957 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:49,920 intent we're going to tie in prior to that existing drainage canal and not 958 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,640 impact >> because that runs on the property, 959 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:57,280 right? On the corner. >> Yeah. On the corner. I I just I you 960 01:14:55,360 --> 01:15:00,400 know, take a look at it if you would because the reason being is you you'd 961 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:04,239 hate to see what it looks like today when you drive through it and you got 962 01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:08,560 this great project and that's the first thing you're going to see is an open 963 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:13,600 ditch. It's a ditch is what it is. And if there's a way to, I don't know, treat 964 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:18,560 it, slide, maybe landscaping, maybe hide it where no one sees it or whatever. 965 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:21,760 That type of that that type of treatment is what I'm talking about. I'm not 966 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,960 talking about dig it up or put it in a box cover or anything like that. I'm 967 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:29,360 just saying there's a way to kind of >> clean it up and whatnot. 968 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:32,960 » There was a point years ago that um Mike Parker who went in there and then 969 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:37,280 cleaned it up very nice since overgrown but that you know that whoever owns that 970 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:42,800 particular piece because there's like 42 people that own parts of the canal 971 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:46,640 believe me a lot about it. Um but there nothing says it can't be like 972 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:50,320 cleaned up and dressed up a little bit because you agree with Mary it looks 973 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:53,440 pretty bad. >> Sure. 974 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:57,840 Um, next one I have is the transportation impact fees and and part 975 01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:03,440 of the transportation impact fees uh relate to the construction of Saddler 976 01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:08,719 East Saddler is what it's I guess going to be called uh that runs behind on the 977 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:12,960 plan. There's a portion I believe that you're constructing as part of the 978 01:16:10,239 --> 01:16:16,080 project which is the hatched area. I don't know if that site plans have 979 01:16:14,719 --> 01:16:21,600 shown. And then there's the other portion that kind of runs half the 980 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:25,840 tradition bond behind tractor supply on that in this agreement we had an 981 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:30,560 engineer's opinion of probable cost of $477,000 982 01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:36,400 to construct that road to build that road and within that the town would then 983 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:42,320 give you credits towards the project for that. Does that that's the picture right 984 01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:48,159 there. Perfect. And does that 477 include the entire length from Kathern 985 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:50,880 Ross to Star or just the portion that's there? 986 01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:57,360 » Just the portion that's there. >> Right. No. Sorry. Righted 987 01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,239 is specifically the rideway dedication portion that's coming as part of this 988 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:04,400 project. The rest of that stretch already has rightway for it, but that 989 01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:06,960 cost estimate was for the whole entire way. 990 01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:09,760 » Okay. So there's a portion that is there a portion that you're building as part 991 01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:12,080 of your project because you have an entrance coming off 992 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:16,159 » that entire line. >> Okay. Right. No, what I'm saying is as 993 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:21,760 part of the project, not part of the impact fee credits. So what I'm saying 994 01:17:18,880 --> 01:17:26,480 is if you're coming off of Kathern Ross, right, where the dark arrow is, and 995 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:32,560 you're having to build that to get to your entrance, it looks like on that uh 996 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:38,080 north side, is that development? That's the developers 997 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:42,080 need prior to coordination with the city or the town on that road, the right 998 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:45,520 ofway dedication and the road extension. I I believe our intent was to have the 999 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:48,239 four points of access that were also shown already without that northernmost 1000 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:52,239 connection. >> Okay. I just think there's there must 1001 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:56,719 needs probably be a little more conversation on that in the in the 1002 01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:00,000 impact fee credits. I mean, it is I'm I'm all for the impact fee credits. I 1003 01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:03,120 think it's great uh if you could do that. I just want to make sure that the 1004 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:11,040 impact fee credits that are being offered um are not, you know, are to the 1005 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:17,199 town's benefit, not to the developers benefit. That make that makes sense, you 1006 01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:23,520 know, for your need, right? Um so we we'll take a look at that and and figure 1007 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:26,920 out that one there. Um page here. 1008 01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:34,560 So you have on N section N construction trailers of the three construction 1009 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:38,880 trailers whatever is the plan also to try to do uh construction fencing around 1010 01:18:37,360 --> 01:18:46,440 the project while construction is happening. Is that something we can do 1011 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,440 with scrim or whatever? 1012 01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,120 Yeah. 1013 01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:57,480 Yeah. Yeah, 1014 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:02,880 perfect. It's just not an agreement, so I just wanted to make sure. And and then 1015 01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:08,480 I mean it protects you, right? It protects the public and it protects 1016 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:14,640 everybody from getting sued. Um, and then I believe Katherine Ross, and 1017 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:24,000 we'll need to confirm this with Mike, but um, on number four of um, um, the 1018 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:27,679 utilities, I think that stub out for the connection for the water connection in 1019 01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:32,159 the hydrant has been put in. We'll just need to to um confirm that, but I 1020 01:19:30,480 --> 01:19:35,600 believe it has put in was put in with the construction of Katherine Ross. And 1021 01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:39,600 the reason I'm saying that is there's a section here in the event the town has 1022 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:44,800 not commenced construction. If it's already in, we'll just strike that to 1023 01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:49,840 make this agreement cleaner so that no one's kind of, you know, I think it is 1024 01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:53,199 too. And uh it just makes things a little cleaner. No confusion later down 1025 01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:57,840 the road. Somebody else is sitting up there looking at it. 1026 01:19:55,360 --> 01:20:04,880 Um, other than that, gentlemen, um, ladies, um, the signage 1027 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:09,520 that you have on there, there's the one that's down by the tractor supply. Is 1028 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:13,199 that yours to maintain or will that be tractor supply? Because there is a there 1029 01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:16,080 is a blank plate underneath it. >> That is tractor supply. 1030 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,239 » So that's theirs. >> That is that's theirs 1031 01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:21,199 » in place as is. >> I I think that's the case. We have no 1032 01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:24,560 act we don't own that sign. >> I can give some clarification. And there 1033 01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:28,320 is actually a recorded easement for that sign in that location. So that is the 1034 01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:31,040 responsibility of Tractor Supply to maintain. 1035 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:35,120 » Okay. So they they maintain it. It's theirs. Yes. Just happens to be sitting 1036 01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:39,840 » happens to be on their property. >> Okay. And then Alex, the other thing I 1037 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:42,480 saw on there was the billboard. What's the deal on the Are you going to 1038 01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:45,360 » We got rid of the billboard. >> It's gone. 1039 01:20:43,199 --> 01:20:48,000 » It's gone. Yeah. It's gone. >> Is it? I haven't noticed. 1040 01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,760 » Oh, it's gone. Yeah. >> All right. 1041 01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:52,320 » We got rid of the billboard a while back. 1042 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:55,440 » Yeah. because we had to we had to get rid of that. That was a Well, that was 1043 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,760 terrible. That billboard was horrible. I mean, that billboard had to go. 1044 01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,640 » Okay. All right. So, that >> they're so hard to get rid of, too. Let 1045 01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:03,040 me tell you, that was a process, >> right? 1046 01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:06,080 » Yeah, that was a real process to get rid of a billboard. 1047 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:08,239 » Yeah. No, it's great. Um, other than that, great project. I'm excited. 1048 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:14,800 » Thank you. Yeah, >> we're excited to to be here. 1049 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:19,360 » So, um, no other questions from anybody, follow-ups? No. Okay. All right. So, 1050 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:24,239 with that then, let's uh entertain a motion then. 1051 01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:29,199 Yeah, there's something Taylor had >> I know. I'm going back to that to see 1052 01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:32,199 what I know Taylor included. Um 1053 01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:39,400 I think we 1054 01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:47,239 made it made it easy for us. >> We have 1055 01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:55,120 » That's fine. I think it's uh the record's already clear in the items that 1056 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:58,719 you all want to see back second reading. So we'll work with the uh development 1057 01:21:57,199 --> 01:22:04,000 team to get that. If you just want to say as discussed or as presented we can. 1058 01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:07,199 » Okay. Like the second one here where he has with conditions. 1059 01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:13,120 » Yeah. With the conditions and items discussed. Yep. So, I move to approve 1060 01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:17,679 ordinance number 2026-05 with conditions on first reading finding 1061 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:21,679 it compliant with the town's comprehensive plan and land development 1062 01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:25,520 code and schedule the ordinance for second reading and public hearing on 1063 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:28,080 September 9th, 2026. >> Okay, second. 1064 01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,679 » Second. >> All in favor? 1065 01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:35,280 » I >> I Okay, good deal. Thank you, sir. We 1066 01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:40,400 appreciate you guys. Okay. So, with that out of the way, 1067 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:44,080 we're on to uh our public forum tonight. You guys can Yeah, we'll let you guys 1068 01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:48,360 go. Thanks. >> Don't Don't forget messaghetti. 1069 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,080 » Macaroni and meatballs. >> Macaroni. 1070 01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:59,360 » Yeah, they're sort of us. >> Yeah, I've been with the 1071 01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:03,280 » So, uh with that uh conclude, we'll open up to public forum and it's anything 1072 01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:07,040 that is not discussed tonight or on the agenda. Does anyone have anything you 1073 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:14,080 want to talk about or hear about? No. Okay. 1074 01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:19,199 A lot. Oh, yeah. Jeez, Ed. Oh, just in time. 1075 01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,199 » Hey, there you go. You You owe me a buck. 1076 01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:34,239 » Ed Kulicowski, 51 Vandermir Street. Is there an update on our new proposed cell 1077 01:23:31,679 --> 01:23:39,040 tower? I'm sorry, I didn't sell cell cell tower 1078 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:43,199 so I can get cell service at my house. >> There there is not an update. I'm sorry. 1079 01:23:42,719 --> 01:23:45,600 » Okay. >> Um I think we've been focused on the 1080 01:23:44,719 --> 01:23:49,760 budget >> kind of 1081 01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:54,560 » and and uh yes, that is trust me it's it's something Ed that I ask about once 1082 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:59,520 every other week when I see a lease. So that will be uh soon. So yeah. Anyone 1083 01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,800 else? Anything? Oh yes. Absolutely. Donna, 1084 01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:05,800 you haven't been here in a while either, Donna. 1085 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:13,600 » And just a couple quick things. Who maintains the medians in that front area 1086 01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:20,080 around tractor supply? It is absolutely horrible. Um, also by that um I think 1087 01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:25,600 what y'all are calling that boomerang area by Katherine Ross. There is a 1088 01:24:22,639 --> 01:24:29,440 broken manhole cover there on one of the drainage things on the sidewalk and now 1089 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:32,719 the sign is either fallen over. It's kind of dangerous because it's like half 1090 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:37,360 on the sidewalk and half off of the sidewalk. Um it's been broken. I've been 1091 01:24:35,440 --> 01:24:44,880 walking now for several months and it's been continually broken. And also who um 1092 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:49,679 just so I can call and and try to get it taken care of because I don't think it's 1093 01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:55,520 here. who maintains the mowing along the sidewalk from Katherine Ross all the way 1094 01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:58,480 down to where the power sports place is because it's super bad as 1095 01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:02,800 » DOT. >> So I need to call DOT about that. 1096 01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:05,360 » Once every six months whether or not >> or never. 1097 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:09,280 So okay >> and you're right all that along Highway 1098 01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:13,360 50 all the way down to the turnpike is >> it's terrible. It's terrible. 1099 01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:16,400 » Um as far as the entrance right there on Star at the tractor I was asking at 1100 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:20,719 least that too. We got to look into that and see who's whose that is. But thanks. 1101 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:25,040 Anyone else? Wow, that was two questions. No one else. Okay. All right. 1102 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:28,920 So, we'll close the public hearing and bring it back to Elise. 1103 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:36,560 All right. I'll try to be quick. Um, since the last town commission meeting, 1104 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:41,679 East Vic Avenue was paved and asphalt millings were placed on East and West 1105 01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:47,120 Hen, East Golie, East Hull Avenue, North Brock, North Cross, Winter Street, and 1106 01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:53,120 South Arrington. So the only places that we still have remaining are places that 1107 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:58,320 we need to do additional work such as drainage improvements or things like 1108 01:25:55,199 --> 01:26:02,480 that. Um or we're wait going to wait for the septic to sewer to go in and then 1109 01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:08,239 we'll work on those areas. Everything else should be done. Um the artist 1110 01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:11,280 opening on Thursday, August 13th for a new exhibit at the Arts and Heritage 1111 01:26:09,679 --> 01:26:14,080 Center was well attended. I'd like to thank Mayor Taylor, Vice Mayor 1112 01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:18,159 Satderfield, and Commissioner Keller for attending. The exhibit will be in place 1113 01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:24,000 through October 30th and is definitely worth visiting. Um, on August 19th, 1114 01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:28,400 which was last week, Mayor Taylor and I attended the ribbon cutting for the Baby 1115 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:32,159 Place, Advent Health Winter Garden. So, the Baby Place is now our closest labor 1116 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:36,880 and delivery facility. If you know anyone who's delivering, so um, that's 1117 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:40,000 pretty exciting for for our young >> shaking her head. know in this room. 1118 01:26:38,795 --> 01:26:44,639 [laughter] >> We will have a farmers market this 1119 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:49,600 Thursday from 9 to 1. Um on September 1st, I'll be part of a district 1 1120 01:26:46,639 --> 01:26:54,080 property tax town hall panel. So, if you still want to get educated on amendment 1121 01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:59,520 three, there will be a town hall at West Orange High School cafeteria at 6:00 1122 01:26:56,480 --> 01:27:03,760 p.m. Um, and we'll just be providing the tax collector will be there, state 1123 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:08,400 representative Spencer, Commissioner Nicole Wilson, the Winter Garden Town 1124 01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:12,960 Manager, the Windmir town manager, and myself. 1125 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:17,440 Um, town offices will be closed on Monday, September 7th for Labor Day. And 1126 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:22,320 then just a reminder, I know Kathy's going to cover it as well. Um, our next 1127 01:27:20,239 --> 01:27:27,120 commission meeting will be on Wednesday, September 9th. And that's because it's 1128 01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:31,520 our tenant budget hearing that starts at a regular town commission will start at 1129 01:27:28,880 --> 01:27:36,000 7. And then we'll have a block party on Friday, September 18th from 5:30 to 8 in 1130 01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:42,480 front of the Arts and Heritage Center. And Nature Fest is Saturday, September 1131 01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:47,840 26 from 9:00 to 1 at P. >> Thank you, Kathy. 1132 01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:51,120 I have no report. Oh >> jeez. I thought you were going to echo 1133 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:55,760 what she just said. She was thinking you would. Uh it is a lot lot going on. It's 1134 01:27:54,239 --> 01:28:04,000 getting cooler out. So yeah, it's almost sweater weather. Chief, 1135 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:08,679 » my report mirrors Cathy's report. >> Great. 1136 01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:08,679 Abby, 1137 01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:16,159 » no. Nothing. >> Budget's looking good. Crunching the 1138 01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:22,480 numbers. >> Yep. It's prepped and ready to go. 1139 01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:25,760 » Anything from our um building department? 1140 01:28:23,679 --> 01:28:29,520 » Uh no, sir. No report. Just if you've been out by Briley Farms, you can see 1141 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:34,159 all the work going on out there is keeping us hopping. No report. 1142 01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:39,600 » You'll have a lot of work this sounds like coming up here soon. Amy, Ashley, 1143 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:44,159 » I do have a report and hopefully I can get through this. I want to acknowledge 1144 01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:47,840 the fact that we are as we started another school year. That means we have 1145 01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:53,360 another round of teachers that have returned with us. As such, we do have 1146 01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:59,199 quite an extensive list of celebrating anniversaries this year and I would like 1147 01:28:55,679 --> 01:29:04,159 the opportunity to recognize them. So with 20 years of service this year we 1148 01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:10,800 are recognizing Melissa Keading, Margaret Young, Joanne Broutley, Karen 1149 01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:17,199 Kefir, and Amanda Coleman Commeister. At 14 years of service, we are 1150 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:22,639 celebrating at the school Andrea Wano, but also we are celebrating Mike Parker 1151 01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:29,520 as our capital projects coordinator with his 14 years as well. at 13 years with 1152 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:34,080 the school, Michelle Murphy. 10 years each at the school, Serena Bell Miller 1153 01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:38,639 and Natalie Wesling. We have eight years at the school, Lara 1154 01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:46,719 Toning. Seven years at the school, Cheryl 1155 01:29:41,760 --> 01:29:50,400 Sherber, and with PD Corporal Fischer. Make sure you check him out on Facebook. 1156 01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:55,520 Quite funny. uh six-year anniversaries here all at 1157 01:29:53,199 --> 01:30:02,480 the school would include Nicole Perr, Ariana and Del Lima, Wendy Perkins, 1158 01:29:58,080 --> 01:30:07,120 Tiffany Williams, and Leah Barry. I have five years at the school, Kathleen Tate, 1159 01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:14,159 Amanda Hilton, Brenda Campbell, and Nicole oh um Lori Harms. And then at PD 1160 01:30:11,440 --> 01:30:20,880 celebrating her five years is officer Nicole Hall. 1161 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:27,360 We also have four years here at the school. Ashley Barry, Karen House, 1162 01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:34,960 Danielle Spano, and Leslie Muartry, and Terresa Baron. Two years celebrating 1163 01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:41,920 Sharon Russo and Gerardo Compunano, Amy Melon, and Elaine Taylor East. And 1164 01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:49,040 finally staying here for their one-year anniversary at the school, we have Noel 1165 01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:54,719 Don and Nathan Balish. And then P, our education coordinator, Stephanie 1166 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:58,880 Schmidt. So we sincerely appreciate all of our employees, especially those that 1167 01:30:56,639 --> 01:31:03,280 are returning teachers and educators here at the school. Hopefully next year 1168 01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:08,880 it's going to be an even longer list for us. And quickly I just want to let you 1169 01:31:06,639 --> 01:31:15,360 know we have I have completed all of the initial interviews for the public works 1170 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:20,320 director. We are moving on to the second phase of those interviews and then we 1171 01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:25,040 taking place this week and next week as well. So we shall keep you posted on 1172 01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:29,679 that as we move along. >> Thanks Ashley Taylor. Anything other 1173 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:34,320 than what we discussed? >> Sure. Other than that, I uh we do have a 1174 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:37,679 couple of additional projects hopefully nearing the finish line here. We have 1175 01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:42,159 the fourth street villages first phase, the commercial portion and for hopefully 1176 01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:48,480 its final round of review before of its final engineering plans. And we also 1177 01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:53,120 hope to soon begin review on 302 East Oakland, the conversion of the residence 1178 01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:57,440 to the doctor's office that's going to be coming in for final engineering plan 1179 01:31:55,280 --> 01:32:02,080 hopefully here shortly. and nothing other than I did get to experience the 1180 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:07,440 um the new paved roads and it was a very pleasant drive. So that's all I got. 1181 01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:10,320 » Thanks. Did good job tonight, too, Taylor. Thank you. Uh Commissioner 1182 01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:13,639 Keller, >> I have nothing. 1183 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:18,960 » I'm good. >> All right, we said enough. All right, 1184 01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:25,320 let's go. >> All hearts, minds are satisfied. We are 1185 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:25,320 adjourned at 8:32. 1186 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:29,320 Did I get it right?