[0:13] You ready?
[0:20] We're rolling. All right. Hey, good
evening everyone. Thanks for uh coming
[0:25] in tonight. Um, we'll call to order the
uh Oakland Town Commission meeting for
[0:30] August 25th, 2026. If everybody could
please stand for the pledge or remain
[0:34] standing.
[2:02] Amen. Thank you, Miss Mac. Missed you.
[2:13] » All right. Good evening, Kathy. Good
evening. Commissioner Keller
[2:17] » here.
>> Vice Mayor Satderfield,
[2:20] Mayor Taylor
>> here,
[2:22] » Commissioner Mley
>> present. Commissioner McMullen is
[2:24] absent.
>> Okay.
[2:27] So, um we've got uh three proclamations
tonight and um we'll get to those right
[2:35] now.
Our first proclamation tonight is uh
[2:39] Labor Day in the town of Oakland.
Whereas, Labor Day is a timehonored
[2:43] tradition in the United States dedicated
to recognizing the invaluable
[2:46] contributions of American workers whose
dedication and hard work have built and
[2:50] sustain our nation's economy and
prosperity. And the town of Oakland,
[2:55] Florida, is deeply committed to
celebrating the achievements of our
[2:58] local workforce, acknowledging the vital
roles that workers and all industries
[3:02] play in ensuring the continued growth
and success of our community. And Labor
[3:06] Day also serves as a reminder of the
importance of fair and equitable working
[3:10] conditions, the right to a safe
workplace, and the continued need to
[3:14] advocate for the rights and well-beings
of all workers. And the town of Oakland
[3:17] is proud to honor the men and women who
contribute tirelessly to this strength,
[3:22] vitality, and well-being of our
community and to reflect on the progress
[3:25] made in the pursuit of labor rights and
the work that still lies ahead. And as
[3:30] we gather to celebrate this Labor Day,
we recognize the diversity, dedication,
[3:34] and resilience of our workforce. And we
commit to supporting initiatives that
[3:38] promote job creation, fair wages, and
opportunities for all. Now therefore, I
[3:42] Shane Taylor, by the virtue of the
authority vested in me as the mayor of
[3:45] the town of Oakland, Florida, and on
behalf of the entire town commission, do
[3:49] hereby proclaim September 7th, 2026 as
Labor Day in the town of Oakland and
[3:54] urge all citizens to join in recognizing
the celebrating the valuable
[3:57] contributions of workers in our
community and across uh our nation. So,
[4:02] thank you very much for that one.
Uh this one is Constitution Week 2026
[4:10] whereas September 17, 2026 marks the
239th anniversary of the drafting of the
[4:16] Constitution of the United States of
America by the Constitutional
[4:18] Convention. And it is fitting and proper
to accord official recognition to this
[4:23] magnificent document and its memorable
anniversary and to pay and to the
[4:28] patriotic celebrations which will
commemorate the occasion. and public law
[4:33] 915 guarantees the issuing of a
proclamation each year by the president
[4:37] of the United States of America
designating September 17th through the
[4:42] 23rd as Constitution Week. Now
therefore, I, Shane Taylor, mayor of the
[4:47] town of Oakland, and on behalf of the
entire town commission, do hereby
[4:50] proclaim September 17th through
September 23rd, 2026 as Constitution
[4:56] Week in the town of Oakland, and ask our
citizens to study the Constitution,
[4:59] reflect on the privileges of being an
American with all the rights and
[5:03] responsibilities which that privilege
involves.
[5:07] And one of our favorite ones every year
that we do, it's the um and and I'd like
[5:13] to say thanks Christa in and your
organization uh Healthy West Orange for
[5:18] being a big part of our town and helping
us out on on things. So, thank you very
[5:22] much
>> and thank you for 10 years of supporting
[5:25] us. We are celebrating the 10th
anniversary of Healthy Selfie.
[5:28] » You're welcome. And we get a free
t-shirt for doing that. Thank you.
[5:33] » Have a very colorful.
>> Yes.
[5:35] Yeah,
>> you do.
[5:38] » Uh, whereas the healthy West Orange
inspires healthy behaviors and provides
[5:42] resources to help residents make better
lifestyle choices. And Healthy West
[5:45] Orange champions healthy programs that
deliver health and wellness activity
[5:50] activities. And Healthy West Orange
unites health-minded organizations for
[5:54] whom a healthy community provides
meaningful benefits. and Healthy West
[5:58] Orange advocates for healthy communities
decisions and encourages local leaders
[6:02] to keep their communities health and
wellness a top priority. And Healthy
[6:07] West Orange declares that the third
Friday in September as the annual West
[6:12] Orange Healthy Selfie Day. Now
therefore, is my great pleasure and
[6:16] privilege as the mayor of the town of
Oakland to declare Friday, September
[6:20] 18th, 2026 as West Orange Healthy Selfie
Day and in celebration of the 10th
[6:25] anniversary of Healthy Selfie. And I
urge all citizens to join in supporting
[6:29] this initiative. So, thank you very
much. Yeah. Yeah. You want a selfie?
[6:35] Sorry.
[6:41] » Yeah. You hold them right up.
[6:47] I didn't think
[7:56] September 12th.
[8:15] Okay,
moving right along. We are on to the
[8:20] consent agenda tonight. And on the
consent agenda is approval of the August
[8:26] 11th, 2026 town commission regular
meeting minutes. Approval of the town
[8:30] commission holiday meeting schedule with
town hall offices closures. Approval of
[8:35] the second extension to the agreement
with Wade Trim for planning services.
[8:39] Approval of the continuing and
interlocal agreement with Orange County
[8:43] Property Appraisers.
Required communication letter for Pervis
[8:47] Gray. Gosh, that's coming up. See like
we just did that.
[8:52] Supra auditors notification letter to
the Florida Department of Commerce to
[8:56] update the town's uh comprehensive plan.
So with that, any questions or comments
[9:02] from anyone?
Okay, we'll entertain a motion.
[9:06] » Make a motion to accept consent agenda
as presented.
[9:09] » Second.
>> I'll second the motion.
[9:10] » All in favor?
>> I
[9:12] » I Okay. All right. Uh, next is an
ordinance tonight. It's ordinance number
[9:20] 202605.
First reading.
[9:23] » An ordinance of the town of Oakland,
Florida adopting a town official zoning
[9:26] map amendment from C1 commercial general
within the urban corridor district
[9:31] design district to PUD plan unit
development within the urban corridor
[9:36] design district for certain real
property owned by Oakland Town Center
[9:40] LLC. Generally located on the north side
of State Road 50. at the northwest
[9:45] corner of the intersection of State Road
50 and Katherine Ross Road as more
[9:50] particularly described herein with an
approximate size of 14.80 acres
[9:56] approving a development agreement
between the property owner and the town
[9:59] of Oakland and approving a preliminary
subdivision plan making findings and
[10:04] providing for conflict severability and
an effective date.
[10:09] » Thank you Kathy. Good evening Taylor.
How are you?
[10:11] » I'm good. How are you Mr. Mayor?
[10:39] Sometimes there's a screen behind
everyone and it's okay if you want to
[10:43] turn around and and look at that one too
because some of the details I think that
[10:47] they're going to show is probably see
them better.
[10:52] » All right. Good evening, Mr. Mayor,
members of the town commission. Before
[10:56] we get into the details, I'm so sorry.
Before we get into the details about the
[11:01] project, I wanted to give a little bit
of a background regarding the actual
[11:04] property in question. So, the subject
site is comprised of five distinct
[11:08] parcels of land as mentioned totaling
approximately 14.8 acres. It does
[11:13] contain both a commercial future land
use classification and um f um zoning
[11:19] and is in a commercial zoning district.
It is
[11:27] it is located within the town's urban
corridor design district. And the intent
[11:31] and purpose of tonight's ordinance, as
mentioned, is to approve a reszoning of
[11:36] the property from C1 commercial to PUD
planned unit development, approval of
[11:41] the companion development agreement and
preliminary subdivision plan, and
[11:45] approve architectural building
elevations. And just a little bit of the
[11:48] anatomy of why this is all being
approved under a single ordinance. In
[11:52] order to reszone to a planned unit
development, you you need to create a
[11:56] set of guidelines and restrictions by
which that PUD is allowed to develop to.
[12:01] Hence the exhibit to a PUD is a
development agreement which outlines the
[12:07] regulations that we'll get into later in
the presentation. And then serving as an
[12:10] exhibit to that development agreement is
the preliminary subdivision plan which
[12:14] contains the civil site plan and layout,
the landscaping plan that we'll take a
[12:19] look at and the architectural elevations
that we'll also view. So that's kind of
[12:23] the if you will layer cake that
comprises the ordinance that's before
[12:26] you this evening.
Looking at the site location map here,
[12:30] the five parcels of land mentioned, the
only cutout from a clean rectangle is
[12:34] the um the existing tractor supply
store.
[12:43] And looking at the actual proposal
itself, so the Oakland Town Center is
[12:46] proposed to comprise of 11 singlestory
commercial buildings of varying sizes
[12:51] and configurations
ranging from an approximately 10,000
[12:55] square foot larges scale retail building
all the way down to a singular 1,200 ft
[13:01] drive-thru building. In addition to
that, this does include a little less
[13:05] than 7 thou 17,000 square feet of open
space which can comprise of plazas,
[13:12] outdoor seating areas. Could be largely
dependent on what kind of tenants end up
[13:15] moving into the commercial spaces. The
property the project would be accessed
[13:21] via via five distinct access points and
it would also include a newly
[13:26] constructed roadway by the developer
that would be that is intended to be
[13:30] dedicated to the town as a public
rideway.
[13:34] Because of the very steep elevation
grade which totals approximately 14 15
[13:38] feet from north going all the way down
to the southern corner. This project is
[13:43] being built w with Phil and in an
incorporated retaining wall which we'll
[13:47] take a look at on the site plan. So
giving a little bit more visual credence
[13:53] to the project, you can see here the the
layout of the 11 buildings. The blue
[13:58] spaces are those proposed outdoor
amenity plaza areas. You can see several
[14:04] intermingled throughout the proposed
buildings.
[14:08] Each arrow contain is a distinct access
point. Two off of Katherine Ross, two
[14:13] off of the cross access with the tractor
supply and one here off of State Road
[14:18] 50. And you can see this area is the
portion kind of beginning the beginnings
[14:24] of a cross access in that area. And as
mentioned that is intended to be
[14:28] dedicated to the town.
[14:34] So here's a lands here is the proposed
landscape plan. Should be noted as I
[14:38] mentioned both the civil and landscape
the entire plan set that does comprise
[14:43] the preliminary subdivision plan that
will be tied to the companion
[14:47] development agreement for this proposed
reszoning. As you can see here, I did
[14:51] want to highlight, it's a little hard to
see at this scale, but during the when
[14:55] the project went before the appearance
review board meeting, there was a
[14:58] semi-informal discussion about the
desire to have a little bit more
[15:02] landscape screening in between the
commercial buildings and the educational
[15:05] facility to the north. This was not list
this was not explicitly listed as a
[15:10] condition of the project's approval by
the appearance review board but upon
[15:15] going to the planning and zoning board
the applicant group did incorporate the
[15:18] additional screening which you can
faintly see through in between the
[15:23] clusters of trees along the northern
side of the property.
[15:30] So as mentioned uh with this resoning
there will need to be a set of
[15:34] guidelines by which the development is
to build to. So part of the companion
[15:39] development agreement is outlining what
what kind of tenants can go into these
[15:43] spaces. The list is wide ranging as you
can see here um quote unquote limited to
[15:50] commercial retail office restaurant with
no more than one drive-thru. That's an
[15:54] important caveat. Educational and clinic
uses. It also does specifically outline
[15:59] what cannot go into these facilities
which as noted here are smoke and
[16:04] tobacco shops and marijuana dispensaries
and shops.
[16:10] In addition to this, there are specific
outlined negotiated deviations from the
[16:15] standard code requirements that were
negotiated and are incorporated into the
[16:19] language of the development agreement.
As as an example, explicitly in the text
[16:24] of the development agreement is the
allowance for commercial buildings to
[16:28] along State Road 50 to go up to 240 ft
in width to account for the size and
[16:35] visibility. Whereas the general land
development code, as an example, allows
[16:40] large store building types to go up to
150 ft in width. And it should be noted
[16:46] that the preliminary subdivision plan is
incorporated as an exhibit, but is only
[16:51] the governing reference document. Um, in
order for instruction to actually begin
[16:56] on this project, it still would need to
go through final engineering review at
[16:59] which point we would make sure we would
go through the town review team to make
[17:03] sure that all the elements would work or
designed properly. And it's at that
[17:07] point that we would also ensure that all
outside permitting entities such as the
[17:12] water management district, Orange um
Orange County and the like um have
[17:17] reviewed and provided their approval of
the proposal.
[17:25] So, as part of this, separate from those
variations that are baked into the
[17:29] development agreement through the
ability of the appearance review board
[17:33] to make recommendations on dimensional
variances to the town's to the town's
[17:37] design district requirements, the
applicant did provide a specific list of
[17:42] several variances that they were that
they prop proposed and were reviewed by
[17:48] both the ARB and planning the appearance
review board and the planning and zoning
[17:51] board.
[17:55] So briefly touching on those um
variations here, the first is commercial
[18:00] building fenistration, the measure of
openings in the facade of the building.
[18:04] The town's general code requires 60%
building fenestration on all public or
[18:09] right-of-way facing portions of a
building. an alternative measure or
[18:14] methodology was con uh proposed by the
applicant group for a variety of reasons
[18:19] not or I guess most significantly
because of the large elevation required
[18:24] by the retaining wall. A lot of the
commercial foot traffic is going to be
[18:28] focused on the interior rather than you
know having somebody climb the retaining
[18:33] wall to reach the buildings walking
along the sidewalk on State Road 50.
[18:38] The last two do pertain to monument
signage. The town does allow a single
[18:44] groundmounted sign per development as
part of the proposal, and we'll touch on
[18:49] locations and designs a little later in
the presentation, but the applicant does
[18:54] propose three monument signs rather than
one. In addition to that, two for two of
[19:00] those signs, they are requesting the
maximum copy area to be 51 square feet,
[19:05] whereas the land development code does
pro for properties or for projects along
[19:09] State Road 50, uh, by definition, it
does allow 48 square feet. So 3-foot
[19:14] addition there.
[19:19] So, I'll go through these fairly
quickly, but here we're just going to go
[19:23] building by building to take a look at
the proposed elevations and design of
[19:28] these buildings. And I did, because it
did get confusing when I was making
[19:31] this, I did have a helpful little key
here to show you which building we are
[19:35] looking at. So, here we're looking at
one of the interior buildings.
[19:41] This is an example of one of the
buildings directly fronting State Road
[19:45] 50. Another
interior.
[19:52] The other building directly on State
Road 50.
[20:04] This one has its end cap facing
Katherine Ross Road. Lastly, this is the
[20:09] building that has its primary frontage
along Katherine Ross Road. Now, the last
[20:14] two are a little bit different. So this
is a proposed two tenant building list
[20:19] on the southoutheast west I'm sorry
southwest portion of the property and as
[20:25] mentioned the development agreement does
restrict a maximum of a single
[20:28] drive-through facility and this is the
general proposed design of what that
[20:33] drive-through building would look
[20:45] Now, here are preliminary design
renderings of what the proposed signs
[20:49] look like. So, as you can see here on
this on the key plan, there are proposed
[20:53] to be two of these, and these are the
primary, as you can say, shopping center
[20:57] signs that show the list of tenants.
There's proposed to be one at the
[21:01] entrance, the primary entrance on State
Road 50 and another at the secondary
[21:07] entrance on Katherine Ross Road.
And here you can see kind of the
[21:13] keyynote sign which will have a few
anchored which is proposed to have a few
[21:16] anchor tenants but would more serve as a
introduction visibility
[21:22] um provide visibility for the project.
[21:30] So going a little bit into the staff
analysis as mentioned the project is
[21:33] located within the town's urban corridor
design district and the intent of this
[21:38] design district is to accommodate
mixeduse projects larger scale
[21:43] developments on major transportation
corridor
[21:46] and through that the proposed
development is consistent due to its
[21:50] supporting of commercial uses with local
and regional accessibility along a major
[21:55] commercial thoroughare there.
Additionally, the project would
[21:58] facilitate the redevelopment of an
underutilized and vacant property along
[22:02] that major transportation corridor and
it and could facilitate economic
[22:07] investment and support job creation
within the town.
[22:12] Looking at where the project has been
before this evening, it was re reviewed
[22:16] by the appearance review board at their
August 4th meeting. Um, ARB did
[22:22] recommend unanimously to approve the
project as presented, including the
[22:26] requested deviations.
The same can be said of the planning and
[22:31] zoning board at last week's meeting on
August 18th.
[22:36] So,
that being said, staff does find the
[22:40] proposed Oakland Town Center
substantially compliant with the town's
[22:43] Land Development Code design district
requirements and do recommend approval
[22:47] of ordinance 2026-05
as presented and provided with your
[22:51] agenda item.
Looking to the next steps, the project
[22:56] would next go before you all as a town
commission again for second for second
[23:01] and final reading on September 9th.
And that does conclude staff's
[23:07] presentation, but the applicant almost
the entirety of the applicant group is
[23:11] here and um they also have a
presentation that they would like to
[23:14] give you. So I'm available for any
questions or we can wait till after they
[23:19] speak. Thank you all.
[23:26] » Good evening, mayor and commissioners.
Logan Obsol 215 North Yola Drive, land
[23:30] use council for the project. And thank
you, Taylor. Taylor's done this
[23:34] presentation three times now and has
done a great job every time. So, thank
[23:37] you. Um, I I'll go through my
presentation rather briefly because
[23:42] again, Taylor gave you a really good
in-depth overview, but want to offer the
[23:46] commission some some visuals of the
project um and what it looks like
[23:50] because it's we're really excited to
make this kind of a entrance to to the
[23:54] town. Um so so here are some of the
renderings and I think what you pick up
[23:58] from this is is the unique look not just
of one buildings but all the building
[24:03] you know there was a lot of discussion
both at ARB and and planning uh about uh
[24:09] the finestration and and the look and I
I'll get to that in a moment but uh what
[24:14] you'll see in these following slides is
the way this project's organized and
[24:18] laid out um is a way to to allow uh
folks to gather a true destination for
[24:24] the town. Um, and then also have some
practical considerations like pedestrian
[24:28] safety and site circulation, those sorts
of items. We can go to the next slide.
[24:36] » Yeah. So, we go back one real quick.
Yeah. I just want to address this one
[24:40] here because this was discussed at at
planning commission. Um, and again, that
[24:44] goes to pedestrian safety. You again,
you'll see this on other slides, but the
[24:48] way that this project is laid out, it's
not just one straight line of of tenon
[24:54] bays. Um, what you see there,
particularly in the bottom right hand
[24:57] corner, is a lot of features, uh, water
features, courtyards, again, gathering
[25:02] places, um, and and all the while
allowing for, uh, safe pedestrian
[25:08] safety, uh, and then vehicle site
circulation as well. Go to the next
[25:12] slide.
[25:16] So some of the features here, not just
the water features, but the lighting,
[25:19] the courtyards. Uh there are bays all
around this project, some behind the
[25:24] buildings and on the side, but a focus
on that courtyards to allow people uh to
[25:28] gather and connect and and have some
some really strong viability for these
[25:33] tenants. We can go to the next slide.
So we'll talk a little bit about the
[25:39] signs as well. Um, you know, a lot of
work's been going into this project to
[25:44] get us here tonight. And and Taylor
talked about that, the PUD ordinance,
[25:47] the development agreement that goes with
it, of course, the site plan. Um, all of
[25:52] which uh represents monthsl long and
year plus of of work uh with your staff
[25:58] and coordinating. Um, PUB zoning
ordinances and jurisdictions, when I
[26:02] discuss them, right, I always say
they're negotiated zoning standards. um
[26:07] they allow for what can be allowed on a
project, but also what can't be. Um and
[26:13] all of those items as it relates to
design standards ensure that the project
[26:17] meets or exceeds your code standards.
And where they don't, uh there's certain
[26:22] trade-offs to allow for a logical and
successful site design. Now, the three
[26:27] that's before you tonight that differ
slightly from the code that are
[26:30] specifically being called out is the
finestration, the monument sign, and
[26:34] then the sign square footage. uh 60%
building fenestration is the code
[26:40] requirement and we're offering a blend
of those percentages. So some meet and
[26:43] exceed and and some are slightly below
but that's twofold. One is to provide a
[26:48] unique look across the project again not
just that bland uh strip that you that
[26:54] you typically see in other areas and
also functionality uh of of the tenant
[27:00] bays. This is a direct response in the
design by architecture team and our
[27:04] engineering team of of what the market
is is demanding from tenants and we'll
[27:10] talk about those in a second. The the
second is the monument signs uh the
[27:14] three versus one and and Taylor showed
you on the site plan how those are laid
[27:19] out. Um and you'll see in in other
slides and including this one it also
[27:24] helps to break up uh some of the
retaining wall area. Um, but this is
[27:29] also
serves the important use of placemaking
[27:34] uh and wayfinding. You know, this is out
on 50. It's a it's a high-speed road, so
[27:39] we want to make sure folks see the signs
and and what's being offered there, but
[27:43] also too, this is a gateway into the
town. Um it's this is something you know
[27:48] Alex came up um on previous hearings and
he he talked a lot about some of the
[27:54] class A tenants that we're looking to
attract here that you see in Winter Park
[27:56] that you see in Winter Garden. But what
we're offering with this design um is
[28:00] something that's uniquely Oakland and
and with that came the name. And then we
[28:05] want to make sure that we have
attractive signs to to attract people to
[28:08] the town to this development and and
what's being offered. Um and the last is
[28:13] the signage square footage which is the
We're suggesting 51 square footage
[28:18] versus the the 48. So, just a slight
deviation there. I think now's a good
[28:22] time while we while we look at the
tenants signage to uh talk a little bit
[28:26] about some of the tenants that we're
looking to attract here.
[28:33] » Hey everybody, I'm Alexi with Collers.
I'm a brokerage company based in
[28:36] Orlando, Florida. Um I work on groundup
development leasing in in Orlando.
[28:41] Winter Park Village is one of those that
we just finished. um Icon Park and Otown
[28:46] West in uh Sand Lake and Plum Parkway.
Um I've been hired by the team here to
[28:51] do um the leasing of this project and
really try to bring in a very curated
[28:54] mix of tenants to this project. So we
are focused on some great restaurant
[28:59] anchor tenants that are new to market or
even local restaurants that are very
[29:04] popular and wellknown. Um so some of the
tenants for example that we're talking
[29:07] to is Agave Aul who could be a great
anchor for this project right up in
[29:11] front. Um, Baratalia is another one that
we recently signed in Winter Park and
[29:15] they're still looking for new
opportunities as well. Sushi Saint and
[29:18] Good Salt Group are local restaurants
here in Orlando. They're very local
[29:22] favorites and they're voted, you know,
best of Orlando regularly. So, those are
[29:26] restaurants that are looking for new
opportunities. And we're since there's
[29:29] not too much capacity right now in
Winter Garden on Plant Street and
[29:33] Claremont's kind of capped out, we're a
great spot for these restaurants to look
[29:37] at and feed both of those markets. Um
some of the other tenants that we're
[29:40] looking at some dessert curated users
like your Jenny's Blended Ice Cream,
[29:45] Salt and Straw and Mayday Ice Cream also
looking in the area. And then of course
[29:49] looking for some great curated local
shops that uh coffee shops where people
[29:53] can sit and work and spend some time and
where community kind of comes together.
[29:57] And a part of that, you know, the
signage is important and the 16,000
[30:01] square feet of amenity space that we
have with these big courtyards. That's
[30:04] an opportunity for these communities to
come together and gather. Restaurant
[30:08] patios are super important here as well.
Um and then of course targeting some
[30:12] great local services, you know, service
related uses that are really going to
[30:15] feed daily needs. And then health and
wellness concepts. Um so Solid Core
[30:19] Pilates is another group that's looking
out here. Barry's Boot Camp and Pause.
[30:24] Um which is one of those like sauna, you
know, uh cold plunge type places. And
[30:28] then breakfast is huge. With the church
being next door, we definitely want like
[30:32] a great fullervice breakfast concept.
So, we're talking with Purvea and
[30:36] Motech. Those are concepts out of Miami
um that have multiple locations and very
[30:41] great healthy farmtotable type food.
Thank you.
[30:47] » Thank you, Lexi.
>> Do we hear anything about macaronis and
[30:49] meatballs anywhere in there?
[30:55] » We found our new uh anchor tenant right
there.
[30:58] We can go to the next slide, please.
[31:05] So, in addition to the signage, uh I
think that this slide does a good job of
[31:09] of demonstrating the landscaping that'll
go on too and and allowing again for
[31:14] this kind of class A space and and an
attractive welcome to the town. Go to
[31:18] the next slide.
[31:23] Looking down at the site plan, this
slide will help show how the signs are
[31:28] uh located on the overall project. that
one on the corners that's your bottom
[31:32] right uh is in front of the retaining
wall area um and there's also some storm
[31:39] water compensation areas there as well
um and I believe the next slide has
[31:44] landscape
[31:49] yeah thank you so Taylor Taylor
discussed this as well during staff's
[31:53] presentation but one of the items we we
heard back from ARB uh was having some
[31:58] additional landscaping so our team got
right on and amended our landscape plan
[32:02] to provide for some additional
landscaping which is up there in the top
[32:06] right corner of the site plan to allow
to some some break up of the viewshed
[32:12] there. Um and then also importantly that
rightaway area which I think is going to
[32:16] be a huge benefit to the connectivity of
the town um and access to this to this
[32:21] town center as well. Just have one
slide. Yeah. So, uh, wanted to touch a
[32:27] little bit too on the economic economic
impact that this project can provide to
[32:31] the town. So, I'm gonna invite up
Castell to talk a little
[32:38] » Good evening everyone. Mr. Mayor,
[sighs]
[32:41] commissioners, um, we're very excited
about this project obviously and um, we
[32:45] rent some some numbers for you and we
try to be actually conservative. So what
[32:49] you see here is what we're anticipating
probably you know the first couple of
[32:53] years as the uh development grows and um
like Alex mentioned a couple of uh weeks
[32:58] ago would rather normally just
underpromise and overd deliver. So, we
[33:01] think as far as, you know, uh the
private project investment, you know,
[33:05] it's going to be somewhere around 20 to
$25 million. And, uh, we wanted to just
[33:09] kind of show you how a tax revenue would
look at an assessed value of 20 to $30
[33:14] million, which would be probably, like I
said, around inception in the first
[33:18] couple of years. And, um, we're looking
at a total annual property tax value,
[33:23] you know, of up to 610,000. And we
actually broke down the town's portion
[33:28] of that. And you see that on the last
column. So we have, you know, 135 to
[33:32] 203,000 a year in actual town um
benefits. But of course, as you know, um
[33:38] a lot of that six 10 will go to schools
and so on and so forth. So we would
[33:42] think there's probably an benefits and
um as the project grows, as you probably
[33:47] all know, most likely assessed value
will grow with it, too. So we expect
[33:51] these two to grow, but we wanted to give
you a bit of a a bit of a start. So we
[33:55] can go to the next slide. And um we also
understand that you know of course
[34:00] there's direct property tax impact but
there's other benefits to the town. So
[34:05] one of them would be um you know
employment and we put as local jobs
[34:09] because we think it will attract a lot
of u a lot of um you know local local
[34:13] employment and we estimate permanent
jobs anywhere from 450 to 550. Uh we've
[34:17] used you know standard u per square foot
data to just kind of you know give you a
[34:22] bit of an estimate. Um we try to just
kind of blend, you know, from the blend
[34:26] of tenants and everything. We expect
about a4 million dollars a year in
[34:30] business activity and um um you know,
just payroll alone probably 18 to 20
[34:36] million. Um and then you see the total
sales tax uh generated would probably
[34:41] you know think it's going to be around
$2 million a year. And um I hope you're
[34:45] just as excited as we are. You know,
we're hoping to beat these numbers. Our
[34:50] success is your success and your success
is ours. So um I think with that turn it
[34:55] back
unless you had any questions on this
[35:02] go to the next slide. Uh and I'll just
conclude here again a lot of work has
[35:07] gone into this project and excited and
exciting is the adjectives we keep
[35:12] using. Um this this project in this area
it's it's a no-brainer and and this is a
[35:18] this is something that we view as really
successful. We spent a lot of time
[35:23] working with FD and other applicable
permitting agencies uh to take care of
[35:29] some of the site constraints and the
design. And uh I just want to again
[35:33] thank your staff for for all of the
considerable time and effort they put
[35:38] into this. We're excited to get this
project going. We're happy to answer any
[35:41] questions. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Logan. Appreciate it. Um
[35:47] let's do this first. This is an
ordinance. It is a public hearing. So,
[35:51] let's open it up to anybody in the
public. Then we'll bring it back to our
[35:54] the table here and then we'll ask our
questions on that. Does anybody in the
[35:58] audience have any questions or anything?
Yes.
[36:02] Claire, there's a seat up here if you
want to sit. There's a seat up here. You
[36:06] good?
[36:10] » Ed would offer you
[36:16] Ed Kulicowski 51 Vanir Street. So, uh,
so I think this project is is pretty
[36:21] nice and I think it'll add a lot of
value to us. But I do have two
[36:24] questions. Number one, if if I
understand the plan correctly, there's
[36:29] going to be a retaining wall along State
Route 50. I'm curious how tall that's
[36:34] going to be. Um, that that will be a
real visual impediment to uh getting
[36:39] into this project, especially if it's
really tall. And so I'd like to hear the
[36:44] developers comments on that. Number two,
I'd like to uh understand the
[36:49] development plan. Is this going to be a
phased development where we have a few
[36:54] buildings and get some tenants and then
build some more or is it going to be
[36:58] accomplished as a single build uh and
open for uh for teny and business as as
[37:05] a whole complete project?
>> You guys want to address those?
[37:15] Good evening. Brent Lensen with Kimley
Horn, the engineer of record for the
[37:19] project, 200 South Orange Avenue, Sweet
600. Um, so the topography, I was hoping
[37:23] this question would come up because the
team did a great job presenting, but I
[37:26] was hoping I'd have some sort of role
here tonight. Um,
[37:33] hold, please.
>> I like hers better. [laughter]
[37:39] So,
as Taylor mentioned in the presentation,
[37:43] the rectangle that's held out that
prevents this whole property being a
[37:46] rectangle is the existing tractor
supply. So, if you look at that site
[37:50] when it was developed, there's an
existing dry retention pond to the right
[37:53] side of it on the east side. And that
dry retention detention area does
[37:58] benefit some of the property area that
this proposed development is a part of.
[38:03] The nuance is if you come in the site
right on the entrance to tractor supply,
[38:06] you can realize those out parcels right
along 50 are much lower. Hydraulically,
[38:11] we know water can't flow uphill. So
storm water wise, you have to raise the
[38:15] site to get water up to the dry pond. In
addition, for the balance of the site,
[38:20] we are conveniently or inconveniently
located within a recharge basin area
[38:24] where you're required to first flush
storm water through dry pre-treatment.
[38:29] So it forces infiltration into the
aquifer. Um, we have additional nutrient
[38:33] requirements for being in a popka basin.
So, from a design standpoint, apologies
[38:38] for the technical jargon, but this is
not a great storm water management basin
[38:42] to be in. Um, so there's additional
storage, treatment, nutrient removal
[38:46] required. So, all those things being
said, that's why that large rectangular
[38:51] white space you see on the plan is an
expanded dry retention area. Um, and
[38:56] then what can't get to that area, you'll
see on the lower right hand corner
[39:00] there's the boomerang. So that is an
elevated higher dry pre-treatment and
[39:05] then it gets to the triangular lower
pond area which is going to be your
[39:08] traditional wet detention storm water
pond. So that's the pond that'll have
[39:14] water in it all the time. All those
other areas will be dry. Um, so all that
[39:18] to say this project is really all those
regulations are required by St. John's
[39:22] River Water Management District. uh we
have secured a permit through St. John's
[39:25] River Water Management District for this
project and to make the master
[39:29] infrastructure and storm water
management work. That is why the site
[39:33] has to be up as high as it is. Um so as
you come along 50 and you start at the
[39:37] entry on the far left side of this plan,
you'll start with a wall that ultimately
[39:41] holds up higher as 50 drops down there.
So at the main entry, that rotating wall
[39:47] is going to be close to 10 feet tall.
And that's just the reality like Taylor
[39:50] mentioned that the true dimension from
the far or elevation from the far
[39:55] northwest corner where the tractor
supply pond is to the water in the
[39:58] existing ditch of the southeast, it's 18
feet. It goes from a 114 to a 96.
[40:04] There's a lot of grade change. It's it's
misleading. I drove by the site again
[40:07] this this evening coming here. I was
like, man, it doesn't look like 18 feet,
[40:10] but it truly is. Um, so there's a lot of
engineering challenges that force the
[40:14] plan to demand a retaining wall along
50. Um, there are some challenges with
[40:20] that. I can understand from a visibility
standpoint, but truly the way this
[40:24] project has been designed to almost
internally centralize the focus of the
[40:27] development. The intent is to really
separate from 50. 50 is not a very
[40:31] pedestrian walkable corridor. Um, so
within this development, having the
[40:36] multiple buildings facing each other, it
creates more of a town center feel,
[40:39] which is what the project's really being
designed for.
[40:42] That's kind of how we've had to
counteract the topography and the
[40:44] elevation change throughout the site. I
hope that helped answer that question.
[40:51] [laughter]
>> That's the highest by the height of that
[40:53] ceiling right there, man.
>> Mayor, commissioners, my name is Alex
[40:56] Ree. I'm one of the managers in the
project. Um, from a lease up standpoint,
[41:02] the uh the goal is is to do a single
build. It's really predicated on tenant
[41:08] uh lease up, right? because you don't
want to build something and not have a
[41:12] tenant there. There's a there's a lot of
specs that go into each individual
[41:16] tenant. So, some tenants want, you know,
different courtyard stuff. They want
[41:20] different things in their building,
whether it's grease traps or restroom
[41:25] locations or things. So, our idea as it
sits now is to do the engineering at one
[41:31] time and kind of get it pad ready and
and lease up the project. Again, we're
[41:37] going to ICSE at the end of the uh at
the end of the the month and we've got a
[41:41] lot of appointments. Um this is a very
very very popular
[41:47] site. Uh thank goodness. It's um it's a
when we first got the engineering, we
[41:53] about fell out of our chair. All right.
Because nobody wants to build a 10-ft
[41:57] retaining wall and nobody wants to put
$7 million in engineering work on a
[42:02] site, right? That's that was crazy. Uh
what we've kind of come away with is
[42:07] this creates an oasis for the town. You
know, you kind of have to make lemonade
[42:12] sometimes out of lemons. And so the way
this sits up now, it'll have a lot of
[42:16] privacy. It'll cut down all the road
noise from Highway 50. It'll give a very
[42:22] unique feel to the center. You're not
going to feel like you're on Highway 50.
[42:26] You're going to feel like you're in a a
place way off of Highway 50 with
[42:30] fountains and nice pedestrian walkways
and nice landscaping. It's going to feel
[42:35] very different. We've added golf cart
parking as well. And our goal is to
[42:39] create a very winter park, winter garden
feeling to this, right? We want to we
[42:44] want to bring something to the community
that everybody in the community
[42:48] participates in and comes over and wants
to have dinner, wants to do something in
[42:51] this particular town center. Um, we're
very proud of it. We named it uh Oakland
[42:57] Town Center because we wanted to be a
marquee for the town of Oakland. Um, we
[43:02] think that this is going to help bridge
uh, Highway 50, if you will, into the
[43:07] town in a very nice, meaningful way. Uh,
and I hope we do have a full lease up.
[43:11] We'll know more about that. Maybe on the
second reading I can answer that in more
[43:16] detail, you know, but we do have a lot
of great interested tenants that we're
[43:19] very grateful that we have. There's a
lot of interest because of the close
[43:24] proximity to
Horizon's West obviously to the south.
[43:29] You know, Winter Garden right to the
east and you have Claremont to the west.
[43:34] You and you're blocked by, you know,
Lake Aapka. So, there's just a lot of
[43:38] trips per day through here. And there's
a lot of uh how should I put this? the
[43:43] the the type of uh folks that live in
these areas are very in high demand for
[43:49] a lot of these retailers and a lot of
these uh food businesses and stuff. So,
[43:54] to that end, um we're very excited. So,
hopefully that answered the the question
[43:59] for you.
>> Thanks, Alex. I like how you put the
[44:01] success and failure on this project on
the leasing broker. So, that's good. Uh
[44:07] yeah, absolutely. Any anyone else have
any questions or comments in the public?
[44:13] Okay. So, seeing nothing else, we'll
close the public hearing and bring it
[44:16] back here. And Commissioner Keller, do
you want to start off?
[44:21] » I have a few things, but I first I want
to say that I'm very excited about this
[44:24] project. I think it is um wonderful that
you all see the potential here. Um I did
[44:30] cheat and watch the PNZ meeting because
I wanted to get some more information.
[44:34] So, I was excited to hear about some of
the entities that are considering space
[44:39] and whatnot. So, um, and again, thank
you for thinking of Oakland. So, I have
[44:43] a couple of things. They might sound a
little nitpicky, I have to confess, but
[44:47] I there are things that I think are kind
of important to address. And I'll just
[44:52] start with the first one which again
love the project but I'm a little
[44:57] concerned about the Oakland Town Center
because we do have our town center here
[45:01] that we kind of consider the core of the
town the historic downtown of our of our
[45:07] town and um we do have plans to do you
know development down Tub Street and
[45:12] whatnot. So, um, personally,
I understand wanting to call that.
[45:18] Again, I love the feel of that space and
how it's going to be, but that's just
[45:23] something that I don't know if anybody
else has any feelings about that, but I
[45:27] definitely um want to put that out there
and anyone else can. Obviously, I'm one
[45:33] vote. We're all one vote. Um, it's not a
deal breakaker, but it's just something
[45:37] that I think is important because we do
have our downtown center here and I just
[45:43] want to make sure we don't take away
from that. So, that would be something
[45:46] that is important to me. Um, another
thing is the and again I understand
[45:52] there's going to be a ginormous
retaining wall along 50, but um,
[45:57] particularly I think it's really I think
it's building two and three that the the
[46:02] ones that or two and four that front
Highway 50 above the wall. Um, from the
[46:10] illustrations and the renderings that
I've seen, I don't love that kind of
[46:15] back a house look. Um I've been out of
town so I didn't have the chance to I
[46:20] wanted to drive through Winter Park and
kind of see how 1792 looks because yes
[46:26] um it is elevated and we want to drive
everybody to that center core. This
[46:30] really is kind of becoming and you said
it yourself a gateway to our town. So,
[46:36] um, I have some concerns about just the
backs of those buildings and how they
[46:41] ba, you know, even at a above a wall.
I'd like to see something to I drove by
[46:47] like I drove down Sand Lake Road and I
looked at like the Trader Joe's and the
[46:50] developments along Sand Lake Road that
have some back of house and they've
[46:54] basically made those back of those
buildings look as similar to the front
[46:59] of the building. So, that would be
something that I would like to possibly
[47:03] see. uh that could be addressed better.
Um or even with landscaping just to make
[47:08] that not so look like the back of a
building as you're driving through the
[47:13] gateway of our town, right? Um so bear
with me. I'm trying to remember all my
[47:19] scribble here. So, um I'd also be open
to if you guys have other developments
[47:24] where you've done this kind of frontage,
if you want to give us some ideas on
[47:27] that, I'd be interested in going to see
those.
[47:36] And the only other thing is the
Katherine Ross Road signage. Um, my only
[47:42] concern is, you know, that's kind of a
it's become a main street to cut through
[47:46] to 50, but the fact that it's kind of
residential and there's a neighborhood
[47:50] there. Don't love that big sign on
Katherine Ross. I'm okay with the other
[47:56] ones and especially that one on the
corner I think kind of covers. I know
[47:59] it's only going to be anchored tenants,
but I feel like it addresses folks on
[48:04] Katherine Ross. Kathern Ross Road isn't
going to, in my opinion, be like a major
[48:08] thoroughfare, but I think it is good to
have an access point from Katherine Ross
[48:12] Road. So, those are the kind of the
things that are important to me.
[48:16] » You guys want to address anything that
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[48:22] I think from a from aation perspective
off of 50, I think um what you'll find
[48:29] is that we've we've really made those
buildings look not like back of house.
[48:34] Like it's not like a flat building,
right? We've we've taken a lot of the
[48:38] architecture and the only thing that
it's missing is windows, right? It's
[48:43] missing a window component. Um the
buildings are up very high, so it will
[48:49] be very difficult to see it going by,
but there's a lot of landscaping. The
[48:53] landscaping is probably going to be the
biggest buffer. And so I would say that
[48:58] I think that's been addressed, but I
would love to get down with like like
[49:03] maybe get a sit down with you on those
buildings particularly and just walk
[49:08] through those buildings. I do want to
make clear that um all of your comments
[49:13] are very important to us. Okay. I I uh
as a developer, we want to have, you
[49:18] know, we want every vote. We don't want
a a majority. We want every single vote
[49:23] here, and we're willing to work for
those votes. I think, case in point, um
[49:28] we put some landscaping on the back of
the project because there was a uh a
[49:32] person in one of the meetings that was
not uh satisfied with the landscaping
[49:36] buffer between our project and the
school, which I thought was a was a good
[49:39] idea. We've also added golf cart
parking, which was suggested at the last
[49:43] meeting. My point is like this project's
already fairly expensive and if we have
[49:50] to do a few things to make sure that
you're satisfied with the project, we're
[49:54] happy to do those things. Um, did you
want to hit on the other
[50:01] » mentions? Yeah, I I do think they're
they're great questions and we we really
[50:05] thought about that actually and and
especially the buildings you mentioned.
[50:09] Um, so of course the retaining wall left
aside, we thought, okay, well, how can
[50:13] we even make that better? So, um, and
and we don't have the full renderings
[50:17] here because we try to keep the
presentation just a little shorter. Um,
[50:20] I can even probably send you something
that's a a lot more specific to those
[50:24] buildings so you can kind of have a bit
of a visual. So, what we did there is,
[50:28] of course, you know, we we added um
additional landscaping at the top of the
[50:32] u the wall. And as far as the elevation
itself, we kept it identical on the
[50:36] front and the back. So both sides are
actually identical. So we kept all the
[50:40] articulation and all the beauty of the
front except like Alex mentioned uh we
[50:45] took away the fenestration because in
truth we um cost left aside. We actually
[50:50] thought that um because of the height
and because of the landscaping we're
[50:53] adding um those 10 12t windows were
probably not going to be v visible to
[50:58] begin with. But we did think about that
and and purposely um and I can
[51:02] understand your fear because a lot of
buildings the back of the buildings
[51:06] they're just flat. So, you know, they
forgive all the, you know, forget all
[51:09] the beauty. Um, I'll actually even add
further that even the rear buildings
[51:13] that are facing the dry retention, we
kept the back of those identical to the
[51:17] front, too. So, we kept all of the
bumpouts and all the articulation and
[51:20] everything just to to still, you know,
give that beauty. And like I said, I can
[51:24] send you some visuals that are maybe
they'll they'll they'll um make you
[51:27] understand it a little bit better. the
images that I saw and I I wasn't sure I
[51:31] was get to it where the where those and
it's really the like the dry retention
[51:36] pond the back of those buildings I think
is less critical but
[51:39] » Oh no I agree
>> ones on 50 looked and and again just
[51:43] trying to figure out which building was
which building in the renderings I
[51:46] wasn't really 100% sure but it did just
you know like there's one where there's
[51:50] like a back of a building and there's
like a UPS guy you know they're showing
[51:55] because again fair back of those
buildings where they're going to get
[51:58] delivery So either the back of those
buildings need to be dressed up a little
[52:02] bit or that landscaping needs to be a
little bit higher so you're not really
[52:06] seeing the back of those buildings.
>> Again, I understand what you're saying
[52:10] if you're driving on
>> bottom
[52:12] » the bottom will be Yeah.
>> I thought it was Yeah. So
[52:16] [clears throat]
>> and that's going to be 10 feet.
[52:18] » Yeah. And that doesn't show the
retaining wall naturally, right?
[52:20] » 10 feet from the people on that side of
driving down that side of 50. If you're
[52:25] on the other side, you're going to see
the back of that. And you know, again,
[52:29] this is our gateway to our community.
And I just want to make sure that it
[52:34] looks welcoming for your project
success.
[52:36] » Yeah, 100%.
>> And it's again, it's really just those
[52:39] two buildings that I think are the
biggest issue because
[52:43] » it just looks a little industrial there
because it's just the back of the
[52:47] buildings and
>> and it could also be, you know, not to
[52:50] interrupt you, it could also be a fact.
It is a rendering obviously, so the
[52:52] landscaping, you know, is
representative. Um, of course when the
[52:55] landscape architects and we'll get
together with with the town on this too.
[52:58] Of course, you know, they'll they'll
have their say as well and I think this
[53:01] was discussed a little bit in the past
where you know, of course we can add,
[53:04] you know, something that's that's um,
you know, much taller per se. Um, yeah.
[53:10] And but you can
>> guess like the door that
[53:13] » Yes. And that is because it's directly
eye level too. So I can understand that
[53:17] perfectly. Um if you don't mind I can
send you know probably through the town
[53:20] I can send you a couple additional
renderings from pedestrian level
[53:23] actually on 50 so you can see but which
looks a little bit different and with a
[53:28] little more landscaping and this is what
I wanted to point out how the
[53:31] articulation of the building it's
identical to the other side. So we
[53:34] didn't really do the flat um building
for that purpose alone because it was
[53:39] important for us to um to do that. But I
can send you some stuff if that would be
[53:42] okay. Um reminded me one of the things
that I forgot to mention and again I
[53:47] know it's been through ARB already. Um
>> I again I think it's beautiful. I do
[53:53] feel like, you know, I don't, you know,
we're it's I'm struggling because like,
[53:58] you know, we have this like historic
downtown and again and this is kind of
[54:03] new and flashy and I think it's great,
but I I was surprised that ARB didn't I
[54:08] don't know if they I didn't watch their
meeting so I don't know what they
[54:11] addressed, but about, you know, the
aesthetic being a little more of our
[54:15] charm for our town. Um I don't want to
be a mini winter park. I want us to be
[54:20] uniquely open, you know, and I think
that personally I would like to see it
[54:26] maybe a little more old Florida like
that's what like my neighborhood was
[54:32] required to do when we built the houses
were built at my neighborhood and some
[54:36] of the other house you know developments
that's been a thing that you know we've
[54:40] looked at with those um the houses in
those neighborhoods was kind of more
[54:44] that old Florida and uniquely Florida. I
think there's a way to still do that and
[54:48] still get the kind of clientele that
we're hoping for. But again, that again,
[54:53] that's just my personal feeling.
>> No, and I think it's, you know, it's a
[54:56] fair point. We It's really tough, right?
Because we've thought of so many things
[55:00] and and we've really considered
everything. Obviously, you know, we try
[55:03] to think of the community, try to think
of the architecture, uh, quality of it,
[55:07] of course, the economic visibility
because they all just go together. So,
[55:10] it's like you can't really do one
without the other. Um, we try to make it
[55:13] as beautiful as possible. Of course, I'm
not going to repeat the outdoor areas or
[55:16] whatever. Even in our architecture, we
try to if you look at I mean, I know the
[55:21] renderings are a little smaller, but um
we have two different architectural
[55:25] styles that are complementing each
other. So, and that allows us to have
[55:29] buildings that are different in although
they keep the general, you know, design
[55:33] and look, um but you don't have that
retail center where it's like every
[55:37] building is a cookie cutter. they only
have two sets of buildings that are um
[55:40] if you want to call it identical, but
it's because they're split by courtyard.
[55:44] Um another thing we did is um and this
is just kind of an indirect answer to
[55:49] your question because you know it's it's
hard for obviously you know that's it's
[55:52] hard to um to change the architecture at
this point but even on the variance of
[55:56] um you know the extending the building
width to 220 ft I believe it's what it
[56:01] was um we decided not even to use the
maximum of that. We've actually split up
[56:05] a lot of the buildings. So, we um we try
to like like Alex said, just to make it
[56:10] as
>> good for you as possible.
[56:12] » Very old Florida. The landscaping,
right? If you look at the landscaping,
[56:15] we used a great deal of of palm trees
and made it kind of old Florida in that
[56:19] regard because we don't want to lose
that as well. I mean, here's the thing.
[56:23] We're not trying to come in and do some
shiny project, right? We're our goal is
[56:27] to drive something that feels like it
belongs here. Okay? I think that was
[56:32] kind of the um the benefit frankly of
having it raised up, you know, because
[56:36] when it first was raised up, we thought
the project was just not feasible. I
[56:40] mean, it was there was a period of time
where it looked like, hey, with the kind
[56:43] of engineering work that it's going to
take to do this project, this is better
[56:47] suited for, you know, something other
than us. And uh and so over time, kind
[56:53] of the benefit of of being on Highway 50
is that rents have gone up. and the
[56:58] rents that have gone up have sort of
allowed us to fund a project like this.
[57:02] This is a very very nice project. It's a
it's definitely not a cookie cutter
[57:07] project. It's a highclass project. Yes,
it's a forward-looking
[57:12] uh architecture. Um but it's not leaving
Oakland behind forward. It's the the
[57:18] landscaping and the lushness of it I
think really helps blend kind of what's
[57:22] modern today with what is still, you
know, Oakland. I I I think it goes well
[57:27] with the city. Obviously, you know,
everyone is entitled to their to their
[57:30] opinion, but I really like it for the
town. I think the landscaping alone and
[57:34] the height of it is going to create this
oasis for for the town to come and and
[57:39] gather. So, as far as the sound sign on
Katherine Ross,
[57:44] the reason we added that sign uh was the
fact that we felt like there were going
[57:47] to be quite a few people coming down
Katherine Ross that would want to know
[57:52] what's in the center without having to
get on 50. and that marquee, albeit if
[57:57] you are turning on Katherine Ross, you
do see those four uh key tenants, if you
[58:02] will, but when you turn on to Katherine
Ross, you you don't see the majority of
[58:08] the tenants in in the center. And what
we thought is we thought hoped if you
[58:12] will, we hoped that a lot of people in
the town came over and they were on golf
[58:17] carts and and came from the town and
they could see what was in the center
[58:20] through that sign and that was kind of a
gateway for them to to look at and see
[58:24] and recognize those tenants that again
we're trying to inventory this. Um, you
[58:30] guys did a uh a study about seven or
eight years ago and uh and I read that
[58:35] study and and what what I took away from
that study was that you guys wanted a
[58:39] lot of restaurants that were like
farm-to-table good quality stuff like
[58:42] quality food restaurants. We're not
slapping this full of, you know, Fortune
[58:47] 500 companies, right? This isn't, you
know, McDonald's and Chick-fil-A and,
[58:52] you know, everything else. And and a lot
of that is uh a lot of those deals are
[58:56] deal driven, meaning that you know the
reason Chick-fil-A goes somewhere and
[59:00] the reason a lot of these big majors go
places is because they sell for a cap
[59:03] rate and their cap rates are very low.
And so from a financial perspective,
[59:08] they're very desirable to have in a
center, right? So we kind of uh I mean
[59:13] obviously in some respects I I just want
you to understand like the the dollars
[59:17] and cents of this. We shun that and we
said no, we don't that's not our goal
[59:22] here. Our goal is to create something
that's going to survive the next 10, 20,
[59:26] 30 years and grow with the town and have
a lot of boutique feel to it. And when I
[59:31] suggest Winter Park or or Winter Garden,
I'm not suggesting that we want to make
[59:36] it, you know, Winter Park or Winter
Garden. What I'm suggesting is what
[59:40] those towns have done very well, I
think, is they've kept like a very
[59:44] boutique feel to their town. It's a very
unique feel, right? They didn't you
[59:50] don't they didn't sell out to just all
these major retailers. And that's what
[59:54] I'm saying when I talk about that. I'm
I'm I'm saying that we're not going to
[59:57] do that. We're not going to bring in,
you know, all Fortune 500 companies and
[1:00:01] all these big mass uh you know,
retailers. So, was there there's one
[1:00:06] more question that you had? Um I I for I
apologize. The name I'm happy to change
[1:00:11] the name, right? If you guys want to
change the name, I'm happy to change the
[1:00:15] name. We thought the name was cool. I
like the name because of the fact that
[1:00:19] it was Oakland Town Center. I wanted to
we wanted to advertise it as a town
[1:00:23] center feel. But your point is well
taken. We do not want to cannibalize
[1:00:28] your town center and we do not want to
take over your town center. So I'm happy
[1:00:33] to come to the next reading with five
different names and we can all talk
[1:00:37] about the names. That's easy change and
it's not like we're beholden to that. So
[1:00:42] that's easy. Thank you for considering
that because I think it's an amazing
[1:00:46] project and I and I don't want to have
things that make you scared to not come
[1:00:52] here and not do this because we
>> No, we're not scared. I mean, look, this
[1:00:56] is a partnership, right? And we need
feedback from from everyone here. Uh
[1:01:00] it's a partnership. I mean, you're
trusting us and we're trusting you. This
[1:01:03] is a lot of money for our group. All
right. Um you know, we're not Unicor,
[1:01:07] right? That's a big project for us. And
so we're here to do something that's a
[1:01:12] that's a big project that we've picked
Oakland to do it in because we think the
[1:01:16] city uh is
ready for this project and we think the
[1:01:21] people that we've worked with have been
super supportive of the project. But
[1:01:24] honestly, we think it's going to be
feasible for us to make money on this
[1:01:28] project. Uh we're not looking to to to
to make all the money in the world on
[1:01:32] this project. We're looking to develop a
project that everyone in this room can
[1:01:36] be proud of that project. That's the
goal.
[1:01:39] » I think that's great. We think Oakland's
a very special town and I think this is
[1:01:43] a very special project and we're glad
that you're considering doing it here.
[1:01:47] » Thank you. Thank you very much.
>> That for me.
[1:01:51] » All right. We'll go to Commissioner
Molly.
[1:01:54] » Good evening. I just have a few points
and I guess I will um begin by tail
[1:02:00] ending some a few of the concerns that
um Commissioner Keller brought up. Um
[1:02:06] the name to me was the town center.
Again, um I think that with the
[1:02:12] comprehensive plan that we've developed
for what we consider to be our town
[1:02:16] center, that project just would not be
the center of the town. Um so that's my
[1:02:22] commentary on that. However, I will
expound on, you know, our quest for
[1:02:27] commercial development. I think that
this is a project that is much needed
[1:02:31] and desired in the area. Um, the plans
are diversity of design, are attractive,
[1:02:38] um, and and brings a little character
and and maybe people to the town that,
[1:02:42] you know, aren't familiar or pass
through and want to be a part of this
[1:02:46] community. So I think that in that vein
we've got diversity of down we've got
[1:02:50] fourth and tub we've got this and then
the comprehensive plan will come later
[1:02:55] which will address you know some of the
character and the intimate nature and
[1:03:00] details that we want to preserve in the
town. My only question with regard to
[1:03:05] the landscape plan would be um the area
of enhanced screening um between the
[1:03:12] educational space. I kind of wanted to
get a a better idea of the visibility
[1:03:18] um and and plan for that separation of
the educational space with the project.
[1:03:27] » So as that graphic gets pulled up,
[1:03:35] » so the let's keep it simple. The larger
circles are canopy trees. So, the
[1:03:41] initial plan did have the significant
cluster towards the right side. Sorry,
[1:03:46] I'm way taller than this microphone. Um,
they had the significant cluster on the
[1:03:50] right side already on the plan for
buffering. And then we had the spots
[1:03:55] along the storm water management pond,
but what has been added is hard to see
[1:03:58] in this image is the dark black strip is
a hedge row. Um, so that'd be something
[1:04:03] along the lines of a viburnum, podarpus,
something like that that you'd plant
[1:04:06] probably at three or four foot plant
height. Um, but that can grow to be
[1:04:10] substantial seven, eight feet easily
edged out. So, it's a more opaque buffer
[1:04:15] along that facade just to add some
screening from the school.
[1:04:23] We can work with staff during the the
engineering and site plan approvals just
[1:04:27] to make sure the planted height is
appropriate for having screening day one
[1:04:30] instead of five years later you actually
have shrub that you can't see through.
[1:04:34] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:04:38] Okay. So, we've determined that that
retaining wall is 10 feet tall going
[1:04:44] down 50 and heading to the west. It kind
of goes down a little bit. Is that
[1:04:47] correct?
[1:04:51] » That's just kind of half where I'm
going. But
[1:04:53] » yeah, I I want to make sure the image
isn't the whole frontage of 50 is a 10
[1:04:56] foot wall because it will not. You're
you're going to start at almost nothing
[1:04:59] on the left end of the screen. Start
getting it from nothing. It's going to
[1:05:03] grow to 10 feet at the main entry
driveway. Then it's going to go to about
[1:05:07] six feet as you get towards the storm
water management pond and turn in
[1:05:10] basically go around that triangular
>> that
[1:05:13] » so it's not a solid 10 foot blank wall.
>> So when it goes around the corner on
[1:05:19] Katherine Ross Road um
>> so what it won't
[1:05:24] » massic and it took me like 20 years to
be able to say so [laughter]
[1:05:30] um when it goes around there same thing.
>> So it won't go around Kathern Ross road.
[1:05:34] So what you see on the plan is we're
going to wall up basically that dry
[1:05:38] storm water we'll call it for today's
purposes the boomerang pond. So that'll
[1:05:43] be up higher at a higher elevation and
it's going to drop down to where that
[1:05:46] wet triangular okay wet pond is. So that
pond you see on the corner is going to
[1:05:50] be at grade. It'll be a traditional when
you're at Katherine Ross and 50 there's
[1:05:53] no walls right there.
>> I got it.
[1:05:55] » Okay. And so and I'm assuming the road
to be built is going to probably go
[1:05:59] right back behind the school.
>> Correct. Between us and the school. So
[1:06:03] that will almost that will be ground
level itself all the way back here. Yes,
[1:06:07] sir. So the building is facing there
>> will be
[1:06:11] » Yeah. grade same as the road.
>> Chris's point that you want to make sure
[1:06:15] that it's just not a back of a building
and I understand it's backing up to the
[1:06:19] school, but there's a few people on the
west end of it too that it would go
[1:06:23] behind. So okay. And then uh
to be the downer in the room, I do have
[1:06:31] to agree is It's what we need. I And I
understand we've been trying to figure
[1:06:35] out how to do this for a long time. Uh
it is the project that we need, but I
[1:06:41] mean I I don't know any other way to put
it, but in my mind it does not have an
[1:06:45] Oakland look or feel to it. Um we can
say the architecture or the the
[1:06:51] landscaping, you know, is old Florida,
but the buildings are not. And that's a
[1:06:58] stumbling point for me. I don't know if
it's a it's not a deal closure at this
[1:07:01] point, but it definitely doesn't look
what we've worked for for the last, you
[1:07:05] know, forever to be that I'll use the
word we haven't used in a long time,
[1:07:11] that the Mayberry look. Um, and I don't
know if there's anything that
[1:07:15] additionally could dress up some of that
at some point or if we're too far past
[1:07:20] that.
[1:07:24] Yeah, I mean we we got a little bit of
time for the second reading. So, we'll
[1:07:27] we'll take a look at those things. Um I
can't do it as eloquently as Castell and
[1:07:31] Alex, but a lot of thought went into
this. Um your points are well taken. I
[1:07:36] think they call that Florida vernacular.
Correct. So, we'll look into those items
[1:07:40] for a second.
>> Yeah. Just something we be honest with
[1:07:44] you that was a stumbling block with the
racetrack for 10 years before we moved
[1:07:48] forward till we could come to an
agreement on what it was. I mean, that's
[1:07:51] how
much we really want, you know, that look
[1:07:55] to be. But again, the project is what we
need here. So, there's not a I don't
[1:08:01] feel that I would want to stop this
project. Don't don't get me wrong. But
[1:08:05] if there's a way that we can make it
look a little more glory, I guess for
[1:08:10] the the [laughter] word, that's the
Jimmy Buffett word, Floridaity.
[1:08:16] » One one thing I wanted to mention is uh
you know, we we did add a lot of
[1:08:20] cladding. a lot of brick. I know it's
not very visible in the small
[1:08:22] renderings, but you'll find that a lot
of the pillars and, you know, next to
[1:08:26] the tenant spaces, you know, we did add
some of that brick that kind of reminds
[1:08:28] you of Oakland. So, and I understand
your point perfectly. It's not, you
[1:08:31] know, a picture perfect of um identical
with Oakland, but we did do that. Um,
[1:08:36] you know, another way to do it, it's
lighting, too. Um, you know, and we
[1:08:40] also, um, chose the colors intentfully
as well because we wanted to be warm and
[1:08:43] not just like a cold modern look. So,
um, and to Logan's point, you know, we
[1:08:47] of course we'll kind of brainstorm a
little bit, too, but I wanted to bring
[1:08:50] up the cladding because it is harder to
see in the smaller renderings. So, okay.
[1:08:54] » Um, yeah. Well, I appreciate it.
>> Thank you.
[1:08:57] » I could just say, so I think it sounds
like we just need some different
[1:09:01] renderings. It sounds like you've
already kind of made some things that it
[1:09:05] just these renderings look very modern
and very square and and I think you know
[1:09:11] maybe it's just that you've got it
sounds like you have better renderings
[1:09:14] that would maybe be more in line with
what we're
[1:09:17] » that's definitely what we want to do. We
want to bring new renderings and and
[1:09:20] share those with you guys with the wall
and everything and share the lighting
[1:09:24] that Costell mentioned. there was a lot
of uh you know, not to harp on it, but
[1:09:28] the lighting is more of an old school
look and so with the landscaping. So, I
[1:09:32] do we do want to share those with you
because we did it wasn't lost on us that
[1:09:36] we wanted this to look kind of old
Florida. It's just this is the type of
[1:09:40] construction that is being done right
now, too. And so, it's um in the sense
[1:09:46] of tenants and and whatnot. Um and there
was a you know, I hate to get into it,
[1:09:51] but this is the best looking
budget construction. Like if you get
[1:09:57] into just doing everything a completely,
you know, different uh elevation, the
[1:10:02] cost can be get just astronomical. It
can be kind of like almost impossible to
[1:10:06] do a project in that in that regard.
>> Okay.
[1:10:11] » Do your best.
[1:10:14] » Good. Uh okay. Mine uh mine's I'm going
to d I'm going to dive into more of the
[1:10:21] developer agreement on on some things. I
think Again, I'll echo I it's a it's a
[1:10:26] great project. I'm excited about it. Um
and this may be something between
[1:10:31] developer and attorneys and can work out
and stuff, but um just on the developers
[1:10:36] agreement there is I'm on page three a
permitted and prohibited uses. Um one of
[1:10:42] the things I brought up was educational
facilities. I know that some of this is
[1:10:45] probably taken from the code as well.
When I think of educational facilities,
[1:10:49] I think and it specifically says in
here, not limited to daycare, prek, and
[1:10:53] kindergarten. Um, just to the north is a
school with a prek and and a
[1:10:57] kindergarten. Uh, and and just down the
street is a Kitty Academy that's uh
[1:11:03] right there. So, um if there's a way
that we can strike that educational
[1:11:07] facilities maybe work better with uh if
it was a um a tutoring facility or or um
[1:11:14] Gary said Crumb was another one or
something like that. So, so I mean those
[1:11:19] would work because they're kind of more
of a retail type thing. I what I would
[1:11:23] not want to open it up to is somebody
coming in and you leasing it to a
[1:11:27] daycare and they say, "Well, I got to
put an outdoor space and I'm just going
[1:11:30] to use part of this plaza and I'm going
to fence it in and stuff." So, if we can
[1:11:34] just negate any of that or any of that
confusion there, I think that would be
[1:11:38] best. So, maybe in that development
agreement, we just kind of break through
[1:11:42] that uh that that issue. Okay, great.
Um, and then the other one I had on that
[1:11:49] same section was retail sale of
automotive parts. It's not like I want
[1:11:52] an AutoZone or anything like that in the
plaza. So, um, I don't believe that that
[1:11:58] uh neither would anybody else. I mean,
you wouldn't want to pull your car up
[1:12:02] and the guy walks out with a battery and
changes out your car. That gains to stay
[1:12:06] there.
>> Yeah.
[1:12:08] » So, just to give you clarity on why we
left that in, we left that in because 30
[1:12:12] years from now, right?
>> Yeah. We you know yeah I mean in other
[1:12:17] words things happen and and so the
reason you leave these in is just to
[1:12:20] give it's not even for our development
so I have no problems taking it out just
[1:12:23] be clear why we left it in you want to
leave it in with the broadest use
[1:12:26] possible for any future development you
know 20 years from now 30 years from now
[1:12:30] that's the reason it was left out
>> agreed 30 years we'll be flying in cars
[1:12:34] so absolutely so so we'll we'll we'll
just I'll hand these notes to to um the
[1:12:40] town and they can they can relay those
through you as well um on from the
[1:12:44] phasing. I think you answered that
question, Ed's question. I had a
[1:12:46] question as well. Is it's multiple
phases or is it one phase? It's good to
[1:12:50] hear that you're going to try to knock
it out in one phase and put all the
[1:12:53] burden on your leasing agent. Um,
>> thanks for the golf cart parking. That's
[1:12:59] great. I I think it's going to be a
bigger than you think on golf cart
[1:13:03] parking with people, the amount of golf
carts that are in this town coming from
[1:13:06] Winter Garden and everywhere. So, um,
thank you for doing that. um lighting um
[1:13:12] that you have here on Jay. Um is it
possible and I don't think you have it
[1:13:17] in there. You're obviously you're gonna
have lighting inside the development and
[1:13:20] and all that. Um is there a possibility
to put lighting along Katherine Ross
[1:13:25] along just in front of your pre your
your your premises?
[1:13:30] You know, it's like street lighting or
something like that to look at. Maybe
[1:13:33] three lamps or something like that to
take a look at. Okay.
[1:13:37] With regard to lighting, do we have
anything in our code about I know my
[1:13:41] predecessor um dark sky and is it in
there?
[1:13:45] » It's in here. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That Rick.
[1:13:51] No, it's uh it's definitely in there.
Dark skies compliant, which everything
[1:13:54] in Orange County has has to be know. But
yeah, if you can and I'll leave the
[1:13:58] again, it's marked up on the site plan.
You can just take a look at that, see if
[1:14:01] that's something that we can work
together on. Um, and then the other one
[1:14:06] you had down here was storm water and
environmental. And I noticed that the
[1:14:08] Motomassic canal, it cuts in front of
your wet retention pond and dry pond is
[1:14:14] kind of right there on the edge. Were
there any plans to do anything any
[1:14:18] treatments to that versus what it looks
like today, which is just a ditch?
[1:14:26] Is it?
Well,
[1:14:38] Yeah, we have limitations with what
we're actually able to do because it's
[1:14:41] within an easement dedicated. It's DOT
drainage, but I don't think there is an
[1:14:45] intent we're going to tie in prior to
that existing drainage canal and not
[1:14:49] impact
>> because that runs on the property,
[1:14:51] right? On the corner.
>> Yeah. On the corner. I I just I you
[1:14:55] know, take a look at it if you would
because the reason being is you you'd
[1:14:59] hate to see what it looks like today
when you drive through it and you got
[1:15:02] this great project and that's the first
thing you're going to see is an open
[1:15:05] ditch. It's a ditch is what it is. And
if there's a way to, I don't know, treat
[1:15:10] it, slide, maybe landscaping, maybe hide
it where no one sees it or whatever.
[1:15:15] That type of that that type of treatment
is what I'm talking about. I'm not
[1:15:19] talking about dig it up or put it in a
box cover or anything like that. I'm
[1:15:23] just saying there's a way to kind of
>> clean it up and whatnot.
[1:15:26] » There was a point years ago that um Mike
Parker who went in there and then
[1:15:30] cleaned it up very nice since overgrown
but that you know that whoever owns that
[1:15:35] particular piece because there's like 42
people that own parts of the canal
[1:15:38] believe me a lot about it. Um
but there nothing says it can't be like
[1:15:45] cleaned up and dressed up a little bit
because you agree with Mary it looks
[1:15:49] pretty bad.
>> Sure.
[1:15:51] Um, next one I have is the
transportation impact fees and and part
[1:15:55] of the transportation impact fees uh
relate to the construction of Saddler
[1:16:01] East Saddler is what it's I guess going
to be called uh that runs behind on the
[1:16:06] plan. There's a portion I believe that
you're constructing as part of the
[1:16:10] project which is the hatched area. I
don't know if that site plans have
[1:16:14] shown. And then there's the other
portion that kind of runs half the
[1:16:18] tradition bond behind tractor supply on
that in this agreement we had an
[1:16:24] engineer's opinion of probable cost of
$477,000
[1:16:28] to construct that road to build that
road and within that the town would then
[1:16:34] give you credits towards the project for
that. Does that that's the picture right
[1:16:39] there. Perfect. And does that 477
include the entire length from Kathern
[1:16:45] Ross to Star or just the portion that's
there?
[1:16:48] » Just the portion that's there.
>> Right. No. Sorry. Righted
[1:16:55] is specifically the rideway dedication
portion that's coming as part of this
[1:16:58] project. The rest of that stretch
already has rightway for it, but that
[1:17:02] cost estimate was for the whole entire
way.
[1:17:04] » Okay. So there's a portion that is there
a portion that you're building as part
[1:17:08] of your project because you have an
entrance coming off
[1:17:11] » that entire line.
>> Okay. Right. No, what I'm saying is as
[1:17:14] part of the project, not part of the
impact fee credits. So what I'm saying
[1:17:18] is if you're coming off of Kathern Ross,
right, where the dark arrow is, and
[1:17:24] you're having to build that to get to
your entrance, it looks like on that uh
[1:17:29] north side, is that development? That's
the developers
[1:17:34] need prior to coordination with the city
or the town on that road, the right
[1:17:40] ofway dedication and the road extension.
I I believe our intent was to have the
[1:17:43] four points of access that were also
shown already without that northernmost
[1:17:47] connection.
>> Okay. I just think there's there must
[1:17:51] needs probably be a little more
conversation on that in the in the
[1:17:54] impact fee credits. I mean, it is I'm
I'm all for the impact fee credits. I
[1:17:58] think it's great uh if you could do
that. I just want to make sure that the
[1:18:01] impact fee credits that are being
offered um are not, you know, are to the
[1:18:07] town's benefit, not to the developers
benefit. That make that makes sense, you
[1:18:13] know, for your need, right? Um so we
we'll take a look at that and and figure
[1:18:19] out that one there. Um
page here.
[1:18:27] So you have on N section N construction
trailers of the three construction
[1:18:31] trailers whatever is the plan also to
try to do uh construction fencing around
[1:18:37] the project while construction is
happening. Is that something we can do
[1:18:42] with scrim or whatever?
[1:18:49] Yeah.
[1:18:53] Yeah. Yeah,
[1:18:58] perfect. It's just not an agreement, so
I just wanted to make sure. And and then
[1:19:01] I mean it protects you, right? It
protects the public and it protects
[1:19:04] everybody from getting sued. Um,
and then I believe Katherine Ross, and
[1:19:12] we'll need to confirm this with Mike,
but um, on number four of um, um, the
[1:19:20] utilities, I think that stub out for the
connection for the water connection in
[1:19:25] the hydrant has been put in. We'll just
need to to um confirm that, but I
[1:19:30] believe it has put in was put in with
the construction of Katherine Ross. And
[1:19:34] the reason I'm saying that is there's a
section here in the event the town has
[1:19:37] not commenced construction. If it's
already in, we'll just strike that to
[1:19:41] make this agreement cleaner so that no
one's kind of, you know, I think it is
[1:19:47] too. And uh it just makes things a
little cleaner. No confusion later down
[1:19:51] the road. Somebody else is sitting up
there looking at it.
[1:19:55] Um, other than that,
gentlemen, um, ladies, um, the signage
[1:20:02] that you have on there, there's the one
that's down by the tractor supply. Is
[1:20:06] that yours to maintain or will that be
tractor supply? Because there is a there
[1:20:11] is a blank plate underneath it.
>> That is tractor supply.
[1:20:14] » So that's theirs.
>> That is that's theirs
[1:20:17] » in place as is.
>> I I think that's the case. We have no
[1:20:19] act we don't own that sign.
>> I can give some clarification. And there
[1:20:22] is actually a recorded easement for that
sign in that location. So that is the
[1:20:26] responsibility of Tractor Supply to
maintain.
[1:20:29] » Okay. So they they maintain it. It's
theirs. Yes. Just happens to be sitting
[1:20:33] » happens to be on their property.
>> Okay. And then Alex, the other thing I
[1:20:37] saw on there was the billboard. What's
the deal on the Are you going to
[1:20:41] » We got rid of the billboard.
>> It's gone.
[1:20:43] » It's gone. Yeah. It's gone.
>> Is it? I haven't noticed.
[1:20:46] » Oh, it's gone. Yeah.
>> All right.
[1:20:48] » We got rid of the billboard a while
back.
[1:20:50] » Yeah. because we had to we had to get
rid of that. That was a Well, that was
[1:20:53] terrible. That billboard was horrible. I
mean, that billboard had to go.
[1:20:56] » Okay. All right. So, that
>> they're so hard to get rid of, too. Let
[1:20:59] me tell you, that was a process,
>> right?
[1:21:01] » Yeah, that was a real process to get rid
of a billboard.
[1:21:03] » Yeah. No, it's great. Um, other than
that, great project. I'm excited.
[1:21:07] » Thank you. Yeah,
>> we're excited to to be here.
[1:21:11] » So, um, no other questions from anybody,
follow-ups? No. Okay. All right. So,
[1:21:16] with that then, let's uh entertain a
motion then.
[1:21:22] Yeah, there's something Taylor had
>> I know. I'm going back to that to see
[1:21:26] what I know Taylor included.
Um
[1:21:33] I think
we
[1:21:40] made it made it easy for us.
>> We have
[1:21:48] » That's fine. I think it's uh the
record's already clear in the items that
[1:21:52] you all want to see back second reading.
So we'll work with the uh development
[1:21:57] team to get that. If you just want to
say as discussed or as presented we can.
[1:22:02] » Okay. Like the second one here where he
has with conditions.
[1:22:05] » Yeah. With the conditions and items
discussed. Yep. So, I move to approve
[1:22:10] ordinance number 2026-05
with conditions on first reading finding
[1:22:16] it compliant with the town's
comprehensive plan and land development
[1:22:19] code and schedule the ordinance for
second reading and public hearing on
[1:22:23] September 9th, 2026.
>> Okay, second.
[1:22:27] » Second.
>> All in favor?
[1:22:29] » I
>> I Okay, good deal. Thank you, sir. We
[1:22:32] appreciate you guys.
Okay. So, with that out of the way,
[1:22:37] we're on to uh our public forum tonight.
You guys can Yeah, we'll let you guys
[1:22:42] go. Thanks.
>> Don't Don't forget messaghetti.
[1:22:50] » Macaroni and meatballs.
>> Macaroni.
[1:22:52] » Yeah, they're sort of us.
>> Yeah, I've been with the
[1:22:56] » So, uh with that uh conclude, we'll open
up to public forum and it's anything
[1:23:01] that is not discussed tonight or on the
agenda. Does anyone have anything you
[1:23:04] want to talk about or
hear about? No. Okay.
[1:23:12] A lot.
Oh, yeah. Jeez, Ed. Oh, just in time.
[1:23:17] » Hey, there you go. You You owe me a
buck.
[1:23:26] » Ed Kulicowski, 51 Vandermir Street. Is
there an update on our new proposed cell
[1:23:31] tower?
I'm sorry, I didn't sell cell cell tower
[1:23:36] so I can get cell service at my house.
>> There there is not an update. I'm sorry.
[1:23:42] » Okay.
>> Um I think we've been focused on the
[1:23:44] budget
>> kind of
[1:23:46] » and and uh yes, that is trust me it's
it's something Ed that I ask about once
[1:23:52] every other week when I see a lease. So
that will be uh soon. So yeah. Anyone
[1:23:57] else? Anything? Oh yes. Absolutely.
Donna,
[1:24:01] you haven't been here in a while either,
Donna.
[1:24:06] » And just a couple quick things. Who
maintains the medians in that front area
[1:24:10] around tractor supply? It is absolutely
horrible. Um, also by that um I think
[1:24:18] what y'all are calling that boomerang
area by Katherine Ross. There is a
[1:24:22] broken manhole cover there on one of the
drainage things on the sidewalk and now
[1:24:27] the sign is either fallen over. It's
kind of dangerous because it's like half
[1:24:31] on the sidewalk and half off of the
sidewalk. Um it's been broken. I've been
[1:24:35] walking now for several months and it's
been continually broken. And also who um
[1:24:41] just so I can call and and try to get it
taken care of because I don't think it's
[1:24:46] here. who maintains the mowing along the
sidewalk from Katherine Ross all the way
[1:24:52] down to where the power sports place is
because it's super bad as
[1:24:57] » DOT.
>> So I need to call DOT about that.
[1:25:00] » Once every six months whether or not
>> or never.
[1:25:04] So okay
>> and you're right all that along Highway
[1:25:07] 50 all the way down to the turnpike is
>> it's terrible. It's terrible.
[1:25:11] » Um as far as the entrance right there on
Star at the tractor I was asking at
[1:25:15] least that too. We got to look into that
and see who's whose that is. But thanks.
[1:25:18] Anyone else? Wow, that was two
questions. No one else. Okay. All right.
[1:25:23] So, we'll close the public hearing and
bring it back to Elise.
[1:25:29] All right. I'll try to be quick. Um,
since the last town commission meeting,
[1:25:34] East Vic Avenue was paved and asphalt
millings were placed on East and West
[1:25:38] Hen, East Golie, East Hull Avenue, North
Brock, North Cross, Winter Street, and
[1:25:43] South Arrington. So the only places that
we still have remaining are places that
[1:25:50] we need to do additional work such as
drainage improvements or things like
[1:25:55] that. Um or we're wait going to wait for
the septic to sewer to go in and then
[1:26:00] we'll work on those areas. Everything
else should be done. Um the artist
[1:26:05] opening on Thursday, August 13th for a
new exhibit at the Arts and Heritage
[1:26:09] Center was well attended. I'd like to
thank Mayor Taylor, Vice Mayor
[1:26:12] Satderfield, and Commissioner Keller for
attending. The exhibit will be in place
[1:26:16] through October 30th and is definitely
worth visiting. Um, on August 19th,
[1:26:22] which was last week, Mayor Taylor and I
attended the ribbon cutting for the Baby
[1:26:25] Place, Advent Health Winter Garden. So,
the Baby Place is now our closest labor
[1:26:30] and delivery facility. If you know
anyone who's delivering, so um, that's
[1:26:34] pretty exciting for for our young
>> shaking her head. know in this room.
[1:26:38] [laughter]
>> We will have a farmers market this
[1:26:41] Thursday from 9 to 1. Um on September
1st, I'll be part of a district 1
[1:26:46] property tax town hall panel. So, if you
still want to get educated on amendment
[1:26:51] three, there will be a town hall at West
Orange High School cafeteria at 6:00
[1:26:56] p.m. Um, and we'll just be providing the
tax collector will be there, state
[1:27:02] representative Spencer, Commissioner
Nicole Wilson, the Winter Garden Town
[1:27:06] Manager, the Windmir town manager, and
myself.
[1:27:10] Um, town offices will be closed on
Monday, September 7th for Labor Day. And
[1:27:15] then just a reminder, I know Kathy's
going to cover it as well. Um, our next
[1:27:20] commission meeting will be on Wednesday,
September 9th. And that's because it's
[1:27:24] our tenant budget hearing that starts at
a regular town commission will start at
[1:27:28] 7. And then we'll have a block party on
Friday, September 18th from 5:30 to 8 in
[1:27:34] front of the Arts and Heritage Center.
And Nature Fest is Saturday, September
[1:27:38] 26 from 9:00 to 1 at P.
>> Thank you, Kathy.
[1:27:45] I have no report. Oh
>> jeez. I thought you were going to echo
[1:27:49] what she just said. She was thinking you
would. Uh it is a lot lot going on. It's
[1:27:54] getting cooler out. So yeah, it's almost
sweater weather. Chief,
[1:28:00] » my report mirrors Cathy's report.
>> Great.
[1:28:05] Abby,
[1:28:09] » no. Nothing.
>> Budget's looking good. Crunching the
[1:28:14] numbers.
>> Yep. It's prepped and ready to go.
[1:28:20] » Anything from our um building
department?
[1:28:23] » Uh no, sir. No report. Just if you've
been out by Briley Farms, you can see
[1:28:27] all the work going on out there is
keeping us hopping. No report.
[1:28:32] » You'll have a lot of work this sounds
like coming up here soon. Amy, Ashley,
[1:28:37] » I do have a report and hopefully I can
get through this. I want to acknowledge
[1:28:42] the fact that we are as we started
another school year. That means we have
[1:28:45] another round of teachers that have
returned with us. As such, we do have
[1:28:50] quite an extensive list of celebrating
anniversaries this year and I would like
[1:28:55] the opportunity to recognize them.
So with 20 years of service this year we
[1:29:02] are recognizing Melissa Keading,
Margaret Young, Joanne Broutley, Karen
[1:29:06] Kefir, and Amanda Coleman Commeister.
At 14 years of service, we are
[1:29:13] celebrating at the school Andrea Wano,
but also we are celebrating Mike Parker
[1:29:20] as our capital projects coordinator with
his 14 years as well. at 13 years with
[1:29:25] the school, Michelle Murphy. 10 years
each at the school, Serena Bell Miller
[1:29:31] and Natalie Wesling.
We have eight years at the school, Lara
[1:29:37] Toning.
Seven years at the school, Cheryl
[1:29:41] Sherber, and with PD Corporal Fischer.
Make sure you check him out on Facebook.
[1:29:48] Quite funny.
uh six-year anniversaries here all at
[1:29:53] the school would include Nicole Perr,
Ariana and Del Lima, Wendy Perkins,
[1:29:58] Tiffany Williams, and Leah Barry. I have
five years at the school, Kathleen Tate,
[1:30:04] Amanda Hilton, Brenda Campbell, and
Nicole oh um Lori Harms. And then at PD
[1:30:11] celebrating her five years is officer
Nicole Hall.
[1:30:16] We also have four years here at the
school. Ashley Barry, Karen House,
[1:30:23] Danielle Spano, and Leslie Muartry, and
Terresa Baron. Two years celebrating
[1:30:30] Sharon Russo and Gerardo Compunano,
Amy Melon, and Elaine Taylor East. And
[1:30:39] finally staying here for their one-year
anniversary at the school, we have Noel
[1:30:44] Don and Nathan Balish. And then P, our
education coordinator, Stephanie
[1:30:51] Schmidt. So we sincerely appreciate all
of our employees, especially those that
[1:30:56] are returning teachers and educators
here at the school. Hopefully next year
[1:31:00] it's going to be an even longer list for
us. And quickly I just want to let you
[1:31:06] know we have I have completed all of the
initial interviews for the public works
[1:31:11] director. We are moving on to the second
phase of those interviews and then we
[1:31:18] taking place this week and next week as
well. So we shall keep you posted on
[1:31:22] that as we move along.
>> Thanks Ashley Taylor. Anything other
[1:31:28] than what we discussed?
>> Sure. Other than that, I uh we do have a
[1:31:32] couple of additional projects hopefully
nearing the finish line here. We have
[1:31:35] the fourth street villages first phase,
the commercial portion and for hopefully
[1:31:39] its final round of review before of its
final engineering plans. And we also
[1:31:44] hope to soon begin review on 302 East
Oakland, the conversion of the residence
[1:31:51] to the doctor's office that's going to
be coming in for final engineering plan
[1:31:55] hopefully here shortly. and nothing
other than I did get to experience the
[1:31:59] um the new paved roads and it was a very
pleasant drive. So that's all I got.
[1:32:05] » Thanks. Did good job tonight, too,
Taylor. Thank you. Uh Commissioner
[1:32:09] Keller,
>> I have nothing.
[1:32:14] » I'm good.
>> All right, we said enough. All right,
[1:32:16] let's go.
>> All hearts, minds are satisfied. We are
[1:32:21] adjourned at 8:32.
[1:32:25] Did I get it right?