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Okay. I will call our regular council meeting for March 25, 2024 to order at 2.03 p.m.

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The town of Okatokus acknowledges the original stewards of this land that we know and call Treaty 7 Territory,

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which includes the Blackfoot Confederacy First Nations, the Kainai, Sasika, and Bakani,

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the Stoney-Nakota First Nations, which includes Bearspaw, Chinooki, and Good Stoney,

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We vow to continue honoring and respecting the indigenous people's sacred and traditional

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ways of life and will carry on this special relationship with the land so that generations

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to come can enjoy, use, and live off the land as their ancestors did.

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We honor and respect this space, the water, the animals, and all the beings who have

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been, have a spirit and have been here long before us.

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Council in front of us, we have an agenda.

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Is there any changes to the agenda?

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None.

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Can I get a motion to adopt the agenda as presented?

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Councilor Hallmark, all in favor?

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That carries unanimously.

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We now have our closed session.

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There is five items on the closed session that all qualify for exemptions

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to disclosure in Division Two of Part One of the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act.

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So if I could get a motion to move into closed session, please.

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Councillor Lange, all in favor?

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That carries unanimously.

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We are calling our meeting back to order, and we are at public delegations. We have two delegations

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that will be here tonight at 6 p.m. It's our monthly awesome kids' awards, so they'll be

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here at 6. And public delegations, I have one person signed in. Mark, how are we? Is

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that correct? Yep. So come on up front here, Mark, and introduce yourself, what area of

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town you live in and you have five minutes and then council has the ability

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to ask any questions, if so, choose after that.

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They're going to be up here?

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Absolutely.

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So introduce yourself, area of town you're in, and then like I said, you have five

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minutes. Okay. My name's Mark Howrie and I live in the Cimarron area and have a

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business around the Alderside area as well.

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So you should be seeing these images here.

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And these are of the Okatoks skyline

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that were taken just kind of spur of the moment by me

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after many days of actually seeing and taking

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a look at our skies above.

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So these were on Thursday, March the 14th,

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and then again on Sunday, March 18th.

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Now, on both days,

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both days began with crystal clear blue skies,

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and there wasn't a single plane in the atmosphere.

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So during the day, I watched for nearly two hours,

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just kind of mesmerized about what was going on above us.

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And it looked like there was four to six planes

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that were continuously crisscrossing our skies

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and constantly spraying aerosols into what was a cloudless day.

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So in speaking with the Okatoks Airport manager,

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it was estimated that these planes were flying low at 7,000 to 12,000 feet,

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well below the altitude of larger commercial aircraft.

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So that same airport manager had no idea that planes had spent the entire day

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flying over his airspace. Not one of those planes had radioed into the local

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air authority. So the manager stated these planes obviously didn't take off or

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land from our airstrip. I can only assume that perhaps they were doing cloud

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seating because the patterns that you're seeing are not typical flight

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path contrails. To which I replied there was not a single cloud in the

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horizon that day, nor on the day of March 18th.

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And with each pass overdone by the multiple planes overhead,

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the distinct aerosol trails left behind

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continued to widen, and they actually formed into clouds.

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So I went outside to check hourly on the residue left

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behind in our troposphere above.

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And it was clear, clearly visible,

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that the sprays were being emitted,

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that were being emitted, that were strategically

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being turned off and on throughout the day.

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I took pictures on the north and west sides of Okatoks that you'll see,

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and also around Alderside. So over the course of six plus hours,

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I did not see signs of one natural cloud formation.

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But by 4 p.m. the vapors being sprayed had spread

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gradually over time to create 100% cloud cover.

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And I used that term very loosely, cloud cover.

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Terms being used for this ever-increasing global and man-made phenomenon are cloud

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seeding, chemtrails, geoengineering, solar radiation, manipulation, or mediation.

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So Environment Canada in the past years released a report to then Premier of BC, Bill van der

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zam, stating that they were experimenting with geoengineering sulfur aerosols to begin

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mitigating the potential risks of the sun's heat during this natural period of climate

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warming.

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Other studies show that there may be dangerous chemical compounds including aluminum, barium

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and sulfur dioxide being released by these planes.

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The bottom line is these are the skies above and they really are backyard.

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If our skies are being polluted, what falls from them lands in the playgrounds

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where our children play and into the pastures

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where our food and livestock are nourished.

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If pollution is witnessed in our streams

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or in our water supply or in our fields

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or in our ditches or in our streets,

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we as citizens have and will continue to speak up

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and act against the negative impacts

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of potential toxins.

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The same must be said for whatever it is these planes

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are artificially spraying into our skies.

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In Tennessee actually just four days

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after these pictures were taken, I had no idea, but the State Senate passed a bill to

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ban geoengineering or solar radiation manipulation in their skies.

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This follows five other states that have passed similar bills, and each of these bills

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that were passed to protect their skies and their citizens and their future generation,

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they began because major concerns from the grassroots folks was put into action

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by asking questions of their local governments.

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The questions I have, which need answering, which I will task each and every one of you

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of the Okatokas Town Council today are, what is going on in the skies above us?

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Number two, what is the chemical makeup of these trails that are filling our airspace?

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And number three, who is responsible?

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And number four, who besides the Canadian and Okatokas taxpayer is funding this?

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And number five, how can we, the citizens, work with you to stop this?

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I'll be following up with you to secure the answers that we deserve.

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Thank you, and if you have any questions, go ahead.

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But I'm not a professional or anything like that.

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I'm just a concerned citizen who, with my kids, happens to look up in the sky

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and see this phenomenon that we never witnessed five and 10 years ago.

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Thank you very much, Mark.

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Thank you Mark for the presentation. I have been sent similar pictures and videos to this

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before and so your first question, what is going on? I actually don't, like for me I

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can't answer you because I do receive this quite a bit from, not quite a bit, but other

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folks that don't get to have sent it to me. So I do some like googling and research

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and I actually, I can't find the answer so I don't know. I have no answer for

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you. So I'm going to put that back into the universe because when I look at it, I usually

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just can find cloud formations and things like that, but I know what you're speaking

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to, kind of where you're going for it. And also I guess my second question or second answer

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is who is responsible. Again, folks have told me, Councillor Sweeney, can you do something

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about it? But I guess when we talk about common good like air and rivers and forests,

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That's all.

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So I guess my suggestion would be is if you want to talk to the ministers in Alberta environment

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and ask them those questions because here as a council we actually have, we don't have an

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idea of what is happening and that is not necessarily our jurisdiction. I'm not passing it off. I'm

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just saying that those are the folks that legislate air quality and things like that, even more

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so on a federal level. I don't know if that answers those questions. If it helps at all.

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It's like, you know, you are our elected representatives here, and this is happening

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over our airspace.

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It was actually really shocking to think that the manager of our kind of local airport authority

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has no idea that these planes are crisscrossing hour after hour after hour and said, well,

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maybe they're cloud seeding.

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And he knows for a fact that there wasn't any clouds in the sky, right?

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And so it's like, yeah, if we continue just to pass the buck, it's like, does nobody here ever interact with an Alberta authority or anybody in the environment, or do we just, you know, kind of sit here idly and, you know, kind of say, now we got nothing to do with anything around

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because it's Alberta jurisdiction.

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I appreciate that.

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Obviously we do come into contact with different folks

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from the province.

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So we can share your concerns with them.

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But that's what we do.

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We share our concerns. We can advocate to our citizens.

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But again, at the end of the day,

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the air is a provincial and federal jurisdiction.

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They're the ones that do the air quality.

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So we can share your concerns and we will.

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That is part of our job. I totally agree with you, Mark.

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But again, we can't legislate

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what happens in the air.

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that is not municipal jurisdiction that is provincial and federal but like you

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said it is our job to share concerns and we can do that and then they'll have to

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decide whether they want to legislate for their restrictions or whatever yep

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my question is to be is have you have you asked either your MLA or your MP or

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the Minister of Environment or the Minister of Transport or Transport

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Canada or Alberta environment any of these questions if they give you any

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answers about any of these things no

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I haven't asked anybody I'm asking

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right now because these are our skies here, right? The government of Canada basically who's

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probably funding this, some of the original reports that went back to Bill van der Zem

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in I think 2013 and 2014, they basically redacted pretty much all the information and then

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at the time none of us probably ever noticed that this was happening above us. If any

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of you ever look up in the sky, you must be wondering what is going on up there.

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The answer that the government will give us is that they're mitigating the risk of the

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terrible sun above us.

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I would much rather work from – I'm going to be working with multiple municipalities

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across Alberta. Because again, this is where the ground swell of people that are concerned

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needs to begin at this sort of level. And there's way less bureaucracy in dealing with

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people like you guys on this level. You are our citizens. You're not surrounded and there's

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no barriers in place and all that sort of stuff. And you do have the contacts I

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know to be able to make those questions and help us get the answers, and I will do whatever

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possible in order to find out.

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When you talk about the skies above, I mean the major question is what's falling down

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into the ground that we walk on, and that's where we all need to demand this answer.

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We're all sharing this space.

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What years do you think Bill Vanderzam was the Premier of BC?

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What years do I think?

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No, it was just after he finished as the Premier of British Columbia.

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What year do you think that was?

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2013-2014 is when he received the reports that he shared.

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Why is that? What's the smile about that?

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What's that?

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It's just curious what your information was,

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but when you thought Bill van der Zandt was going to help you.

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Does that help you?

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Yeah, it does.

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Does it?

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In which way?

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Okay, so we're not here to debate,

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so I appreciate that you've shared the information with us, Mark.

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As has been stipulated, there isn't boundaries on the air above,

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so absolutely we can bring forward a concern,

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but that is not municipal jurisdiction at all and if you are watching what is

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going on provincially at the moment they're getting very clear about what

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jurisdiction municipalities can and cannot play in with that so certainly

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can share that up at other levels of government with our contacts there that

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this has been raised as a concern but I would encourage you as well to reach

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out to your local MLA, Mr. Zickerson, and your local MP, John Barlow, and share those

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concerns there, because that is the jurisdiction of government that those answers should be

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provided from.

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And even if we, you know, very rarely will they play the conduit through us and give

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us information so that we can share it with the public, because they don't want us to

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communicate their message so that's just been my experience to date but we

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certainly can raise the issue so thank you for bringing it forward and raising

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that and I can state that there is no money that is being paid by the Okatoks

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taxpayer as you asked them one of those questions to anything that's happening

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above us so that isn't in our budget at all so and you can see our budget

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online yeah no I had that you know money from Okatoks taxpayer wouldn't

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be going directly to fund anything like this. But there is, you know, we pay, you know, federal

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and provincial taxes and municipal as well. And we as Canadian citizens, I'm sure, or

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Alberta or whatever, are totally funding whatever is happening above us. And I'm sure

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that each of these planes, you know, talk about a carbon footprint. And it's probably

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hundreds of thousands of dollars a day with each plane that continues to fly above,

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right and you know not perhaps directly but indirectly we are funding this and

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it's good to get answers on this and I will definitely work the channels and if

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anyone else here you know is in contact with anybody at a provincial level I

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would certainly like to work with and follow up with with anybody that might be

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to act as a conduit.

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Perfect. Thank you very much.

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I appreciate your time today, Mark.

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Okay. Thank you.

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That ends our public delegations section, Council.

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We have a couple motions arising from closed session.

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So I'll go to Councilor Robinson for the first motion.

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Yeah, I'll make the motion that the recommendation contained in closed

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session report 3.1 be endorsed. Okay, Council calling that question all in favor. Is everybody

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in a describe? Yeah.

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And that has carried unanimously. And then I will go to Councillor

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Swensied for second motion arising. I make the motion that the recommendation to explore

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the municipalities role as discussed in closed session.

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Okay, I will call that question

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and all in favor. Sorry, Patty's waiting for me to say that.

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And that carries unanimously.

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Council, that moves us to the consent agenda.

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We have a variety of items on the consent agenda.

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Would anybody like to pull anything from the consent agenda?

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I'm going to pull item 6.4.

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And then, can I get a motion to accept everything else?

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Councilor Spenci.

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That item 6.4 be exempt from the consent agenda

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and added to business items for action.

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The minutes under 6.1.1 be adopted as presented

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and the remaining items be received as information.

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Would you like to speak to your motion?

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Thank you.

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Any questions from anybody?

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No, Kate calling that question all in favor.

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And

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that carries unanimously.

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Okay, that moves us to our business items for action.

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And we have the 2023 financial operating results with variance.

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And I have CFO Ralph Ettenauer to present.

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Thank you very much mayor and council.

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My name is Ralph Ettenauer.

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I'm the CFO for the town.

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and I'm here to present the Q4 year end results for our operating statements.

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The draft 2023 financial operating results show a surplus of 1.145 million

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to be allocated to reserves pending council's approval,

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and the status reports for the 2023 operating capital projects

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are provided for consideration and recommendation to council.

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There's three motions that are part of this package

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What we'll do is we'll just go to the report analysis and financial implications.

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Thank you.

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So basically what we have in our financial statements here is indication of where we are

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at from an initial budget and before these two motions that we've asked council to consider.

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So basically we'll just go through at a high level variances to budget and variances to

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prior year. So thank you. So actual revenues compared to the budget revenues

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are 6.652 million higher than budget because of higher sales and user fees

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along with municipal taxes and higher grant revenues. Overall actual operating

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expenditures compared to budget expenditures are 6.652 million higher

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than budget due to operating expense reductions and offset by higher

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reserve contributions. Utilities contribute to corporate administrative overhead with $1.936

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million for 2023 lower than budget by $544,000. Capital expenditures were lower by $42.7 million

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due to the relinquishment of $4.864 million and a carry forward request of $37.882 million.

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In terms of the variance to prior year, actual revenues compared to prior year revenues were

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$9.635 million as a result of higher sales and user fees, municipal taxes and higher grants.

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Overall operating expenditures are higher due to $8.09 of expenses and reserve contributions

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of $1.606.

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Utilities contributed to corporate overhead increased by 0.096 million from the prior year.

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Capital expenditures are lower by 2.186 million and operating projects are lower by 0.211 million dollars.

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Attached to this package are the operating reports that have the operating projects and the relinquishment for the remaining budget.

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So if we just scroll down, thank you, up, yep, went up.

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The capital projects on the next sheet show the capital projects that the progress of those approved capital projects

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and acknowledging the ongoing financial commitment to continue these projects with the carry forward amounts.

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And on the last page is a quick summary of our operating reserves.

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and we've basically this year separated them between our town reserves before our offsite

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levy accounts, so you can see that basically there's a subtotal before OSL and then the

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infrastructure of A to OSL shows the total reserves that we're reporting on our financials.

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And the general operating includes the allocated surplus of 1.145.

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If you like I can just walk through for people that are not familiar with the way

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that we've set up our statements is we'll just start at the top just to walk

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through for people who may not be familiar with the statements. What we do

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here is we try to just give you an idea of where the money comes from and where

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the money goes and what we do is we analyze all our variances for anything

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over $25,000 and look for those trends in terms of how we can describe those

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comments. So if we go to the next page we basically have the categorization

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of the revenues and expenses in a little bit more detail here so you can see

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specifically what has been approved from a budget perspective and how those

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expenditures tied to those categories that we have for reporting purposes and

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again the comments as to the variances.

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What we do is we take that summary page that we have there and we break it out into two smaller groups,

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which is the next page, which is what we call property tax funded or tax supported,

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and then the next page, which is what we call utility funded.

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So basically that's how we distinguish those amounts from the summary total.

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And we go to that next page. Again, this is just a reflection of the operating projects

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and the actuals in the budgets that were approved this year in the request for the relinquishment.

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And then the next page again is just all the capital projects and we broke those out into those capital groupings

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that we have presented at budget.

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So you can see how all these projects sort of tie into those groupings that we have

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and the status of the particular projects.

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And then the last pages are operating capital reserves for comparison from last year.

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So I'm happy to answer any questions that you have on this year end report.

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Council, is there any questions?

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Councillor Robinson.

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I just wanted to ask about the contracted and general services amounts.

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And first, I'll apologize for finance and audit.

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When I was asking these questions, I had them twisted around.

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So I thought we'd spent $1.9 million more than we budgeted,

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not $1.9 million less than what we budgeted.

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So that was part of where my confusion came from.

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but in any event I am still curious about what the software costs were and how much they were over our

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I think I did understand the part right that we did spend more on software than anticipated

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but I am still curious as to how much that amount was

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but I understand it won't be $1.9 million

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That's correct, it was $130,000

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Thank you

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You're welcome

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Anybody else?

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I have a couple questions

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I feel like I'm going to sneeze so I'll just preface that to start with

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Bless you.

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I was not incorrect.

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Okay.

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Just for people that don't kind of understand the whole budgeting process,

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so if we could go to the summary of revenues and expenditures page

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at the very top for the next one, not this one, the next page, please.

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Yeah, this one.

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I'm actually asking a question for you to confirm that what I'm interpreting is correct.

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So excessive revenues over expenditures is $7.2 million, we'll just say in change it's

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a little less than that, but $7.2 million.

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I just want to reaffirm that that doesn't make us poor budgeters, that we don't typically

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ever budget that we'll see that kind of a excess revenues over expenses typically in

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a typical year.

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Usually we budget to be balanced at zero.

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And so the 7.1 or 2 we'll just say to round up.

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That surplus is because of land sales for lands that we've had in our inventory for

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over 10 years that we finally have sold.

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So land sales, which I think is somewhere around 2.6 million in that ballpark.

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So we don't budget at all for anticipated land sales, right?

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That's just bonus in the year.

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I'm seeing the nod of yes.

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Okay.

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And then increased income on returns on investments.

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So we are very conservative as to what we give as a return.

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and we over the year 2023 saw, because of increasing interest rates, saw a substantial

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increase in our investment return, correct?

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That is correct.

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Okay.

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So that was another 1.6.

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And then in terms of estimating water license sales, which is related to development,

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we don't tend to estimate any water license sales because we don't know what the pace

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of development would be.

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Is that right?

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Well, we do have a small process where we go through where we identify our operating projects

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that will spend money for an operating license and then over the next three years we'll sell

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those licenses off and then start to gain that same cycle.

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So we do have an amount in the budget but it was not enough.

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What we actually did was higher than what we budgeted.

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Okay. So again, we conservatively estimate that. So that was about another million. So I'm at 2.6, 1.6 or 3.2, 4.25.

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And then in terms of government contributions, we always actually estimate that below what they gave us in the prior years.

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Is that kind of a typical process?

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Yes. Generally, we just look at what we think we're going to get for government grants.

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And as you can see, we did get about $919,000 more than we expected to get.

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All right. So based on my rough math and I didn't rough in my head math,

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so that was about 6.1 of additional revenue that we don't budget for,

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which then correlates to the about $1 million that we are.

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We did see as a surplus that was truly what we budgeted and what we didn't.

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Correct. And we basically present you with a zero budget

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and only do the year-end analysis would give you that same zero back.

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Okay, perfect. So just for anybody that's watching, you know,

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a $1 million surplus in a budget is only about 1.6% of our budget.

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So it's pretty accurate. It's pretty good that that's the margin of error that we've got on a budget.

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So I commend our team with that.

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And then the next question that I have is actually just relating to

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the operating projects.

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With operating projects and this might just be a

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memory refresh on policy, when we relinquish money back or don't do a

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project is the intent that we will not be completing that project and it's not

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going to be done or on operating projects did we have policy that we've

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got a one-year time frame to do that. How does that work? It's a one-year

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timeframe. Okay so potentially for some that didn't do anything actually I don't

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think any of them are in that oh there's a couple that are there so it's

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possible that that project could come back again in another budget cycle for

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an operating project. That is correct. Okay and based on the motion today

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those funds are going back into whatever reserve we indicated they be

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And then same kind of question on the capital side.

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How do we determine the cancellation of a project?

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And then how do we determine the amount that we're going to carry forward

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and amount that might get relinquished on projects?

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So each one of the projects is controlled by a project manager

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and they give us an analysis of what they need for carry forward amounts

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and what they're prepared to relinquish

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and we summarize that information here.

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and make that part of our discussions with council.

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Okay, and then one more question on capital budgets.

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So when we, I'm just going to use as an example, I think it's,

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I'll use the utility projects as an example.

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So we had a couple of budgets in the utilities that were over budget with,

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and not of significant, but over budget.

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But then there's other projects in other areas that are under budget.

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Do we manage that across the whole entire budget and the move of that?

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Does my question make sense, what I'm asking?

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So what we do is we look at kind of 10% as kind of our variance limit that we look

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at and if there's positives and negatives in a grouping and an overall total and we

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just basically don't ask for council amendments for those over expenditures and then also come

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back to you with those under expenditures. This is the way that we do this through this

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process by asking you at your end to do the relinquishments.

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Okay.

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And then that just has the net number there.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. Anybody else have any questions? Councillor Smoonsi.

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Thank you. And thank you, Mary Thorn, for your question because it was something

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I wanted to ask if I didn't know how to say it or your question confirmation.

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So I also want to confirm that I have this correct in my head.

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So we set our budget and we set it based on what services we want to provide to Okatokians,

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what grants we have, and it becomes a balanced budget.

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Sometimes what happens is there are revenues that come in after that are higher than expected

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and that may or may not have been listed as excellent.

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So we put them into operating reserves and they're sitting there now.

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But Council has an option for next year's budget if we want to use any of those operating

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reserves when we talk about tax rate and things like that.

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Is that correct?

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That's correct and we did do that through the budget process in November, December of

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last year.

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Okay.

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So we, okay.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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That was my question.

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Thank you.

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And I'm just going to go to C.O.

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Vincent.

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Oh, sorry.

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No, you go ahead.

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I was going to just go to C.O.

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Vincent just to talk about the budget process of the one million dollars that

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we've got here as a surplus of how we factored that in in budget if you don't

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mind. Thank you I always when I teach this course I always like to say this

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and some people get offended with the simplicity but it really is this a

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budget is your best guess at a point in time and a variance is just what's

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Let's change from your best guess at a point in time.

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So what we look at here is our best guess is we were looking at about a $7D, $6 million

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budget, and there's been pluses and minuses.

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At the end of the day, we're within 1.6% variance of where we thought we would be.

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That's a good news story.

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When we take a look at what do we think we're going to spend?

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What's our best guess?

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The question as a governing board is how do you adjust then what you've learned

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for your best guess for years going forward? So that's exactly what happened

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at this year's budget. We came in through our P6 or six-month variance to

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say we can see our revenues are way higher on interest and we can forecast

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where we're right now that we're going to have a million dollars of revenue

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available at your end. So council decided at the time they debated the budget to

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take that million dollars and basically offset it against the tax rate. So instead

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01:41:04,050 --> 01:41:09,030
of going up by five percent, we went up by four percent because we took that

464
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:12,990
million dollars and applied it against what we needed from a revenue

465
01:41:12,990 --> 01:41:17,330
perspective tax basis. So that's where we want to take what's my best guess,

466
01:41:17,670 --> 01:41:20,290
what have I learned and how does that change what we're doing going

467
01:41:20,290 --> 01:41:26,810
forward. So when we take a look now at what we forecasted in 2024, you're going to see our revenue

468
01:41:26,810 --> 01:41:32,190
line coming from interest is now way higher than it was the previous year because we've now built

469
01:41:32,190 --> 01:41:36,930
that into a base assumption. So that just shows how you do your guess, how you learn from your

470
01:41:36,930 --> 01:41:41,030
guess, how you adjust from the year going forward, but how we also want to make sure

471
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:45,070
that we're not over collecting from taxpayers. Because the biggest frustration from a

472
01:41:45,070 --> 01:41:47,670
they said, I paid you for this already.

473
01:41:48,250 --> 01:41:49,990
How dare you collect it again?

474
01:41:50,210 --> 01:41:52,950
And that's the piece where we've given that

475
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:55,090
million dollars back as a credit on the

476
01:41:55,090 --> 01:41:56,110
upcoming tax rate.

477
01:41:56,390 --> 01:41:58,270
So that's the piece that we try to balance

478
01:41:58,270 --> 01:42:00,250
when we make a recommendation to you

479
01:42:00,250 --> 01:42:02,230
to ensure we've got enough going into

480
01:42:02,230 --> 01:42:04,470
reserves but we're not also over-collecting

481
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:05,130
from taxpayers.

482
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:06,290
Hope that helps.

483
01:42:06,990 --> 01:42:07,870
Thank you very much.

484
01:42:08,110 --> 01:42:08,670
Councillor Layne.

485
01:42:09,670 --> 01:42:10,690
Thank you, Mayor Thorne.

486
01:42:11,150 --> 01:42:13,130
The reason I said no to the

487
01:42:13,130 --> 01:42:19,090
And letting you go because I thought you were going to go to that question and that's what my question was going to be about

488
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,960
So you're saying that you and I are thinking alike

489
01:42:27,540 --> 01:42:32,140
Councilor Robinson and maybe just to go one other part the the sort of the reserve

490
01:42:32,700 --> 01:42:39,460
transactions part to cover that off to make sure I'm understanding it right as we get to those reserve transactions essentially we

491
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:42,480
budgeted to

492
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:51,180
to contribute $4.6 million to capital reserves, but because we didn't do as much capital so

493
01:42:51,180 --> 01:42:54,980
as we thought we were going to do, we actually added $8.6 million to capital reserves.

494
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:59,960
And then we thought we were going to pull $2.64 out of operating reserves, but we actually

495
01:43:00,440 --> 01:43:04,000
contributed $1.08 million into capital reserves, right?

496
01:43:04,580 --> 01:43:06,080
So that's that $1.08 million.

497
01:43:06,180 --> 01:43:09,720
That's the number that we're extra using as part of our operating expenditures, but

498
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:11,640
but we've got that other capital reserves

499
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:13,600
for all those other capital projects that got rolled forward.

500
01:43:14,300 --> 01:43:14,980
All right, thanks.

501
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:18,610
Okay, any other questions?

502
01:43:20,190 --> 01:43:22,250
Anybody know what they like to make,

503
01:43:23,170 --> 01:43:25,990
any one of the three motions in front of us?

504
01:43:26,110 --> 01:43:26,850
Councillor Layne.

505
01:43:27,930 --> 01:43:30,810
I would like to make the motion that upon approval

506
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,290
of the 2023 audited financial statements

507
01:43:33,730 --> 01:43:37,530
that 1.145 million surplus be transferred

508
01:43:37,530 --> 01:43:39,110
to operated general reserves

509
01:43:39,110 --> 01:43:41,570
as recommended by the Finance and Audit Committee.

510
01:43:41,970 --> 01:43:43,290
Okay, would you like to speak to your motion?

511
01:43:43,930 --> 01:43:46,690
After chairing the last Finance and Audit Committee meeting,

512
01:43:47,490 --> 01:43:49,530
we discussed this at length,

513
01:43:49,770 --> 01:43:54,810
and CAO Vincent clarified this 1.145 million

514
01:43:54,810 --> 01:43:56,090
and what it's to be used for.

515
01:43:57,430 --> 01:43:58,550
That's awesome.

516
01:44:01,940 --> 01:44:02,680
Anybody else?

517
01:44:05,900 --> 01:44:08,560
Seeing no other discussion, anything to close?

518
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:12,800
Councilor Lange? Okay, calling that question all in favor.

519
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:22,360
And that carries unanimously.

520
01:44:23,220 --> 01:44:30,220
Anybody else want to make a motion? Councilor Hallmark. I'd be happy to make the

521
01:44:30,220 --> 01:44:37,340
motion that the 2023 operating projects report including the 1.006 million of

522
01:44:37,340 --> 01:44:41,540
budget remaining be relinquished back as recommended by the Finance and

523
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:45,040
Audit Committee. Would you like to speak to your motion? No thank you.

524
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:51,820
Anybody else? Calling that question all in favor and

525
01:44:58,220 --> 01:44:59,480
that carries unanimously.

526
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,440
And the last motion, anybody? Councillor Layne.

527
01:45:10,650 --> 01:45:18,610
I'd like to make motion that the 2023 capital completed and continuing projects report, including

528
01:45:19,250 --> 01:45:28,490
reduction of 4.864 million for the net total of 37.882 million of the budget remaining, which

529
01:45:28,490 --> 01:45:35,730
is tied to these capital projects in the progress at this year and be approved and that the

530
01:45:35,730 --> 01:45:40,890
amounts carried forward be added to the 2024 capital budget as recommended by the Finance

531
01:45:40,890 --> 01:45:41,610
and Audit Committee.

532
01:45:42,030 --> 01:45:43,270
Would you like to speak to your motion?

533
01:45:43,930 --> 01:45:44,410
No, thank you.

534
01:45:45,110 --> 01:45:46,630
Anybody else would like to speak to the motion?

535
01:45:47,530 --> 01:45:53,170
I'm just going to speak to this and the previous motion that we did is a good example of

536
01:45:53,170 --> 01:46:01,810
how we all work here at the town to manage the costs and return that back into our

537
01:46:01,810 --> 01:46:07,270
reserves if they should not be needed or if the project is decided once we get

538
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:12,330
further into it that we can do it for a more economical way. So you know it's

539
01:46:12,330 --> 01:46:15,570
close to five point eight million dollars that's being returned back into

540
01:46:15,570 --> 01:46:20,810
reserves because of work like that and determining that we don't need to do

541
01:46:20,810 --> 01:46:26,550
projects that we thought we would. So, any need to close? Okay, calling that

542
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:28,390
question all in favor and

543
01:46:35,430 --> 01:46:41,270
that carries unanimously thank you very much and that

544
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:50,210
takes us to item 7.2 counselor resignation and I have legislative policy

545
01:46:50,210 --> 01:46:53,810
services managers Kathy Duke-Blessie here to present.

546
01:46:59,470 --> 01:47:00,430
Good afternoon mayor and

547
01:47:00,430 --> 01:47:06,130
council administration is here today to report that the CAO received in

548
01:47:06,130 --> 01:47:13,930
writing effective March 21, 2024, the resignation of Councillor Timbuchak. It is required under

549
01:47:13,930 --> 01:47:17,990
the Municipal Government Act that the CAO must report on this resignation at the first

550
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:24,490
council meeting after receiving the resignation. And this leaves council with two choices.

551
01:47:25,190 --> 01:47:29,630
The resignation was received 19 months prior to the next general election, which

552
01:47:29,630 --> 01:47:34,890
which is 30 days short of the 18-month requirement not to hold a by-election.

553
01:47:35,610 --> 01:47:43,290
So the two options before council are to either consider requesting the Minister of Municipal

554
01:47:43,290 --> 01:47:50,550
Affairs to extend the time for filling that vacancy to the next general election and

555
01:47:50,550 --> 01:47:56,810
that's permitted under Section 166b of the Municipal Government Act as we are just

556
01:47:56,810 --> 01:48:02,410
30 days short of that 18-month period. The request could also note that Council consists

557
01:48:02,410 --> 01:48:09,730
of six members noting the vacancy and we do not – are not based on award systems,

558
01:48:09,950 --> 01:48:17,470
so it's not that any segment of the population would not be represented and that we have

559
01:48:18,090 --> 01:48:24,190
approximately 40,000 anticipated to hold a by-election in training if we are required

560
01:48:24,190 --> 01:48:24,970
to hold the by-election.

561
01:48:26,570 --> 01:48:30,490
We understand in reaching out to representatives from municipal

562
01:48:30,490 --> 01:48:33,730
affairs that the minister has received several requests.

563
01:48:33,870 --> 01:48:36,370
He hasn't granted any at this point or responded to any.

564
01:48:36,730 --> 01:48:39,530
But in previous terms where this has happened prior to a general

565
01:48:39,530 --> 01:48:41,890
election these requests have been granted.

566
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,400
The other option is to direct administration to bring back a report

567
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:52,560
with proposed by-election dates within the legislated 120 days.

568
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:58,960
Thank you. Thank you very much. Council, any questions?

569
01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:06,240
Councillor Lang? So for a

570
01:49:06,240 --> 01:49:11,420
by-election it would be within 120 days so we're talking another three months,

571
01:49:11,700 --> 01:49:11,800
right?

572
01:49:13,860 --> 01:49:18,880
Through the chair it would have to be held within that 120 days. Council

573
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:22,200
could set that date much earlier. Okay, thank you.

574
01:49:25,140 --> 01:49:26,400
Any other questions?

575
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:34,420
any but Councillor Robinson. Sorry maybe just walk me through a little bit what a

576
01:49:34,420 --> 01:49:39,580
by-election would look like like how how long do we have to leave like what's

577
01:49:39,580 --> 01:49:44,320
the time frame for like the nomination period when the nomination would close

578
01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:48,540
how long you'll period from the nomination to the vote date would happen

579
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:52,920
like with those timelines I get how I see them 120 but what are their

580
01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:59,100
minimums and stuff through the chair there is required minimums so from

581
01:49:59,100 --> 01:50:00,220
the election dates.

582
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:03,180
So we would bring a report, council would set that

583
01:50:03,180 --> 01:50:03,780
election date.

584
01:50:04,220 --> 01:50:05,320
Nominations would close.

585
01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:08,020
We would have to have a minimum of at least four weeks

586
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:10,800
similar to how a general election is run.

587
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:13,740
So we would have to, the election date would be

588
01:50:13,740 --> 01:50:15,480
set by council and we would have to work back

589
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:17,180
from all of those required dates.

590
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:20,940
Anybody else?

591
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:25,860
Councillor Svensih to go to you.

592
01:50:26,060 --> 01:50:26,900
Are you ready for motion?

593
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:30,020
I would like to make the motion that the mayor

594
01:50:30,020 --> 01:50:32,000
send a letter to the minister of municipal

595
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:35,800
affairs requesting an order to extend the time to fill the vacancy to the next general

596
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:36,160
election.

597
01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:37,960
Okay.

598
01:50:38,100 --> 01:50:39,020
And would you like to speak to your motion?

599
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:39,620
You bet.

600
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:40,320
Thank you very much.

601
01:50:40,740 --> 01:50:44,460
So I had originally, you know, when this resignation letter came out, I had originally

602
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:49,180
wanted to fill the spot, as I really thought Okitokians wanted a representative there,

603
01:50:49,300 --> 01:50:54,900
but after talking to a ton of people in person, I went out on my social media.

604
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:58,360
I did, I talked to it because I was really kind of going blind into this.

605
01:50:58,440 --> 01:51:01,100
I didn't know if they did or did not want someone there.

606
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:06,680
and the overwhelming response that I heard was folks do not want to buy election because of the cost.

607
01:51:06,900 --> 01:51:10,640
They said we are too close to next year, they do not want that by election,

608
01:51:10,860 --> 01:51:14,340
they are happy with the way that council is functioning now.

609
01:51:14,660 --> 01:51:19,920
And then also I got a statement that asked, can the council properly govern in a balanced

610
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:24,400
and fair manner without the seventh person? And I think that again we've been operating

611
01:51:24,400 --> 01:51:28,760
without a seventh member for a number of months now and I do feel that we're open

612
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,900
to the entire community's feedback. We're involved in many different community initiatives,

613
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:39,380
so we do try to find as many corners of Okitok. So based on the community feedback, I do think

614
01:51:39,380 --> 01:51:43,920
that the community does not want to buy election due to the extra cost and how close it is

615
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:46,660
to the next election. So I urge my council support.

616
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:50,780
Would anybody else like to speak to that? Councillor Lange.

617
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:58,140
I'll be supporting this as I did debate this with myself back and forth, but as

618
01:51:58,140 --> 01:52:02,480
well I talked to a number of people in the community and they for one didn't

619
01:52:02,480 --> 01:52:07,500
want the by-election because of the expense and they also said we've you've

620
01:52:07,500 --> 01:52:11,580
been operating for a year as a six-membered council and everything

621
01:52:11,580 --> 01:52:15,080
seems to be working well so I'll be supporting this.

622
01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:19,030
Anybody else?

623
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:22,460
I am

624
01:52:22,460 --> 01:52:27,160
seeing nothing would you like to close councillors Wincey? Thank you sure I

625
01:52:27,160 --> 01:52:29,700
just want to close by saying that you know thank you to councillor

626
01:52:29,700 --> 01:52:31,160
time and check for her service to the community.

627
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,160
Being an elected official is no joke.

628
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:35,840
It's really rewarding, but it's really, really demanding.

629
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:37,420
So we do thank you for your service

630
01:52:37,420 --> 01:52:39,080
to the town of Okeetoks.

631
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:41,680
And that is all.

632
01:52:41,940 --> 01:52:42,180
Thank you.

633
01:52:43,500 --> 01:52:45,460
Thank you very much, Councilor Swansea.

634
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,420
And I will call that question all in favor.

635
01:52:56,820 --> 01:52:58,560
And that carries unanimously.

636
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:00,840
Thank you.

637
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:02,980
Moving on.

638
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:16,420
Water Allocation Policy Process. So I am going to turn this over to our senior planner, Colin Gainer, to review.

639
01:53:22,860 --> 01:53:32,040
Good afternoon, Madam Mayor and members of council. As stated before you is the Water Allocation Policy Process Update.

640
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:32,160
State.

641
01:53:34,360 --> 01:53:38,760
Additional information regarding the water allocation policy and water licensing

642
01:53:38,760 --> 01:53:45,100
was requested by Council back on February 12th, and so this report is coming before you.

643
01:53:48,380 --> 01:53:57,080
Since 2011, Council has implemented a water allocation system for managing planning approvals

644
01:53:57,820 --> 01:54:03,920
in terms of our available capacity to service new development based on the licensed capacity

645
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:08,640
the town has to withdraw water from the Sheep River.

646
01:54:10,140 --> 01:54:13,520
And that policy has been in place since then.

647
01:54:13,640 --> 01:54:18,620
There has been a few updates over the course of time with the most significant and comprehensive

648
01:54:18,620 --> 01:54:26,540
of update in 2021, where we've deemed it just the water allocation policy.

649
01:54:27,460 --> 01:54:33,920
Since the most current update, the policy now applies to all lands within town, as opposed

650
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,320
to just a green field, new development areas in the past.

651
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:43,140
And it covers the process for applications dealing with land use-free designation, subdivision,

652
01:54:43,140 --> 01:54:45,300
and development permits.

653
01:54:47,860 --> 01:54:53,460
So we just want to go to attachment three, I believe, in your package.

654
01:54:53,700 --> 01:55:00,320
So this outlines sort of that process and normal flow for new development areas from

655
01:55:00,320 --> 01:55:02,380
land use to subdivision to development.

656
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:08,380
And each stage of that process, we get to what's called the water verification and

657
01:55:08,380 --> 01:55:13,020
an assignment process where there is effectively a verification.

658
01:55:13,580 --> 01:55:17,840
So if there is capacity that needs to be assigned, typically there is usually always

659
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:18,600
of the land use.

660
01:55:19,480 --> 01:55:25,560
If a developer is eligible or a land owner for an area that is being

661
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:27,600
redesignated is eligible for that assignment.

662
01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:33,880
They can pay the cost for that water allocation fees and they can get that

663
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:37,800
assigned if there is available capacity within that common queue.

664
01:55:40,100 --> 01:55:46,780
And so prior to that happening, application can be made, it can be brought to council for

665
01:55:46,780 --> 01:55:51,460
consideration first reading as well as the public hearing and up to second reading of

666
01:55:51,460 --> 01:55:56,660
the redesignation bylaw before that needs to happen and third reading can be considered.

667
01:55:57,400 --> 01:56:03,520
At that point, application for subdivision can be applied for once there is land

668
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:08,040
use in place then that can be approved and then it goes to another verification process

669
01:56:08,040 --> 01:56:14,360
to verify there is water for that subdivision if it varies somewhat from the expectations

670
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:15,180
under land use.

671
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:18,140
And then the same thing at a development permit application.

672
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:23,840
In case a development permit application has a higher number of units or a different

673
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:28,400
usage that is possibly a higher water user or if it's less dense than anticipated

674
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:31,260
there's an adjustment that can be made during that process.

675
01:56:31,260 --> 01:56:31,420
us.

676
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:47,360
So under that policy, water can be signed if water is not available and it is eligible.

677
01:56:48,360 --> 01:56:57,260
The capacity is allocated to applications based on three different criteria. So when

678
01:56:57,260 --> 01:57:04,320
we get into a situation where development capacity is queuing, first priority is any

679
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:11,640
town-initiated projects. Second priority is planning applications concerning ICI

680
01:57:11,640 --> 01:57:16,660
uses or institutional commercial and industrial lands as outlined in our

681
01:57:16,660 --> 01:57:23,080
municipal development plan policy. And then the third priority would be

682
01:57:23,080 --> 01:57:27,860
planning applications outside of those in the date on which those

683
01:57:27,860 --> 01:57:33,560
applications are received. Now there's no applications currently in the

684
01:57:34,500 --> 01:57:41,500
as there's sufficient capacity for all the applications in place, but once there is more

685
01:57:41,500 --> 01:57:47,320
than there is capacity that are eligible to be assigned water capacity, then the queuing

686
01:57:47,320 --> 01:57:49,060
is based on that approach.

687
01:57:51,420 --> 01:58:02,980
So there is currently under the available capacity 37,641 cubic meters annually available,

688
01:58:02,980 --> 01:58:05,940
which is how we measure capacity under our water allocation system.

689
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:08,460
There aren't any applications in the queue right now.

690
01:58:09,560 --> 01:58:14,420
Chiltson phase 2 land use, which is bylaw 224,

691
01:58:15,160 --> 01:58:18,540
does not currently meet the requirements to access the common capacity.

692
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:20,720
So it is not in the common queue yet.

693
01:58:21,060 --> 01:58:25,980
Once it meets those requirements, then it would be into that queue system.

694
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:42,440
We do track all the policy guidelines and available common capacity as well as the mapping of all the current assignments for all the different areas and how much capacity is assigned through our website.

695
01:58:43,060 --> 01:58:53,460
So it provides the overall number but also in that mapping information provides where it is all assigned and how much it is assigned so that it can be reviewed at each stage of the development.

696
01:58:56,220 --> 01:58:56,740
process.

697
01:58:59,010 --> 01:59:03,730
Fairly brief overview but we can certainly take any questions that

698
01:59:03,730 --> 01:59:08,570
Council may have on the overall process and how it's intended to function.

699
01:59:10,740 --> 01:59:13,940
Thank you very much Mr. Ganner. Anybody have any questions?

700
01:59:14,940 --> 01:59:18,580
Councillor Swansea. Thank you very much for the presentation. So this policy

701
01:59:18,580 --> 01:59:22,380
that we have here, this is what ensures that we do not overallocate the

702
01:59:22,380 --> 01:59:23,820
Sheep River when we are developing.

703
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:24,560
Is that correct?

704
01:59:27,840 --> 01:59:28,240
Yes.

705
01:59:28,580 --> 01:59:31,000
So the whole intent of the policy

706
01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:35,880
is to provide a fair and equitable way

707
01:59:35,880 --> 01:59:39,640
to assign the available capacity that we have licensed

708
01:59:39,640 --> 01:59:43,320
to withdraw from the Sheep River in a fair way

709
01:59:43,320 --> 01:59:44,500
to new development areas.

710
01:59:45,320 --> 01:59:49,460
Being very mindful of how much we're using,

711
01:59:49,580 --> 01:59:52,300
how much is available, and how much new development is

712
01:59:52,300 --> 01:59:55,300
able or is expected to utilize under the system.

713
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:57,720
So it is an ongoing process.

714
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,800
We do review at each stage.

715
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,580
The process is to determine if we expect more water to be used, less water to be used, based

716
02:00:07,580 --> 02:00:15,360
on a provisions in the associated administrative guidelines on how we would assign capacity to

717
02:00:15,360 --> 02:00:23,520
new development. So it's perhaps not exact perfection in terms of how much water anyone

718
02:00:23,520 --> 02:00:29,720
one use will use, but it is our best estimate based on current usage within similar development

719
02:00:29,720 --> 02:00:30,100
patterns.

720
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:32,830
Go ahead.

721
02:00:33,390 --> 02:00:34,270
Thank you very much.

722
02:00:34,770 --> 02:00:37,650
Can we go back to the slide that had the chart perfect?

723
02:00:37,870 --> 02:00:38,150
Thank you.

724
02:00:38,670 --> 02:00:42,850
So this is a great depiction, I guess, of how the process works.

725
02:00:43,010 --> 02:00:47,350
Now, I'm not asking for this to be looked at right now, but do you think it would

726
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:54,330
be possible, Mr. Gainer, to include into here in the process a kind of, if there's

727
02:00:54,330 --> 02:00:58,710
There's two developers that are in the queue for water, and one developer has presented

728
02:00:59,210 --> 02:01:05,250
more, what's the word, more, not adherence, but they have checked off more of the boxes

729
02:01:05,250 --> 02:01:09,610
of our MDP in terms of building design, in terms of neighborhoods.

730
02:01:10,110 --> 02:01:12,930
Could they be put further ahead in the queue?

731
02:01:13,030 --> 02:01:17,470
Can we give priority to developers that have the building design that we want to

732
02:01:17,470 --> 02:01:21,070
see, that maybe have suggested they want to do below market housing in their neighborhoods?

733
02:01:21,070 --> 02:01:23,590
Can we include that in there possibly in the future?

734
02:01:25,770 --> 02:01:26,750
Through the chair.

735
02:01:27,670 --> 02:01:32,610
What I would point to specifically in that case is actually under the policy itself,

736
02:01:32,770 --> 02:01:35,130
so the direction under the common queue.

737
02:01:36,430 --> 02:01:39,910
If you just scroll down to...

738
02:01:42,250 --> 02:01:44,030
Yeah, a little bit further.

739
02:01:45,790 --> 02:01:46,510
Yeah, a little bit further.

740
02:01:47,250 --> 02:01:49,010
Okay, so 4C here.

741
02:01:49,010 --> 02:01:55,410
Council may change the order in which common capacity is assigned to planning applications

742
02:01:55,410 --> 02:01:59,830
within the common queue based on the town's strategic priorities.

743
02:02:00,810 --> 02:02:10,570
And so that is a case where if there was a decision by Council that, say, a specific

744
02:02:10,570 --> 02:02:17,770
development met more of the strategic priorities that Council wanted to see, that specific

745
02:02:17,770 --> 02:02:23,690
application could be advanced over other applications based on that strategic alignment.

746
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:30,360
Excellent. Thank you. That's exactly what I was looking for. And I'll leave my questions there for now.

747
02:02:33,410 --> 02:02:35,390
Anybody else? Councillor Robinson.

748
02:02:37,210 --> 02:02:40,010
I just want to make sure I understand one thing that I think is pretty simple.

749
02:02:40,130 --> 02:02:42,330
But there's no one currently in the common queue, right?

750
02:02:42,430 --> 02:02:45,710
Like, there's nobody who's actually got approved that we don't have for yet, correct?

751
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:54,270
That's correct. So the application, the landage application is before council for TILS and

752
02:02:54,270 --> 02:03:00,590
phase two. They are not technically into the queue because they have not been eligible to be

753
02:03:01,170 --> 02:03:07,170
taking water from the common queue at this point in time. Once that threshold has been met,

754
02:03:07,410 --> 02:03:11,350
then they would be into the common queue. But as it sits right now, if there are other

755
02:03:11,350 --> 02:03:16,330
applications that came forward and were eligible first and there was still

756
02:03:16,330 --> 02:03:19,910
water available then those applications could go forward the

757
02:03:22,340 --> 02:03:26,920
whole sort of

758
02:03:26,920 --> 02:03:30,920
policy walks around works around the definition of development capacity which

759
02:03:30,920 --> 02:03:38,400
are pertains to potable water I'm just curious if we've considered like non

760
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:44,440
un-potable water uses and how that might, number one, affect licensing capacity, that

761
02:03:44,440 --> 02:03:48,580
type of thing, because I'm not sure how our licensing capacity for non-potable water uses

762
02:03:48,580 --> 02:03:54,680
actually works with our potable water licenses, which are two different sorts of uses that

763
02:03:54,680 --> 02:03:56,400
are licensed to us, theoretically.

764
02:03:57,300 --> 02:04:03,140
And then if anyone has thought about doing those types of things, I know we've thought

765
02:04:03,140 --> 02:04:06,700
about doing some of that type of stuff with our town fields and stuff like that.

766
02:04:06,700 --> 02:04:11,040
So I'm just curious how those things if like a developer approached us and said like I'm gonna, you know

767
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:16,320
Water the fields here with non-potable water or something how we would approach some type of requests like that

768
02:04:18,020 --> 02:04:24,080
I'll probably turn it over to you director Hewitt to get into more of the details, but but effectively

769
02:04:25,560 --> 02:04:27,100
Yes, we can consider

770
02:04:28,740 --> 02:04:33,860
Situations where they can demonstrate that the water usage would be

771
02:04:35,540 --> 02:04:40,480
much less than what our expected usage would be.

772
02:04:45,450 --> 02:04:47,930
Thank you, Mr. Gainer, through the chair.

773
02:04:48,610 --> 02:04:52,210
Absolutely. The administrative guideline does allow for

774
02:04:52,210 --> 02:04:55,150
administration to perform calculations.

775
02:04:55,810 --> 02:05:00,850
If a field is non-irrigated or are irrigated with a non-potable water source,

776
02:05:01,910 --> 02:05:07,150
we as administration would not assign development capacity for that usage.

777
02:05:07,150 --> 02:05:13,450
If we had a use that wasn't clearly envisioned in the administrative guideline which outlines

778
02:05:13,450 --> 02:05:18,730
the estimated use for different cases, there is the ability through the guideline to perform

779
02:05:18,730 --> 02:05:22,050
a calculation to reflect actual use versus projected use.

780
02:05:22,390 --> 02:05:28,010
So there is some discretion within the administrative guideline that accompanies the policy.

781
02:05:32,070 --> 02:05:39,570
So just, I'm going to pull on that vein, so if the province was ever to change the rules

782
02:05:39,570 --> 02:05:45,350
around water reuse or grey water reuse, that would potentially require us to take and have

783
02:05:45,350 --> 02:05:46,830
a relook at our policy, correct?

784
02:05:47,170 --> 02:05:51,290
We're not there, so I don't want to spend a ton of time talking about it, but in essence

785
02:05:51,290 --> 02:05:55,730
that could change what the consumption per household would be, is that correct?

786
02:05:57,790 --> 02:06:04,590
Madam Mayor, it's partially correct but there have been some advancements in the last two

787
02:06:04,590 --> 02:06:13,070
years on the provincial field about water use or sorry, grey water reuse and water use.

788
02:06:13,350 --> 02:06:20,330
Most notably last spring a new directive came out that up to 6,000 cubic meters could

789
02:06:20,330 --> 02:06:27,910
be used without a water license of storm water from each permitted pond and the year

790
02:06:27,910 --> 02:06:32,350
prior – sorry, I'm just sharing information. I know you're aware of me down there – the

791
02:06:32,350 --> 02:06:40,430
year prior, Alberta Health Services released a guideline to how storm water and other non-potable

792
02:06:40,430 --> 02:06:44,670
water usage, like under what conditions and what requirements are required for the reuse

793
02:06:44,670 --> 02:06:52,750
of other water sources. So a lot more tools are in place for water use, stormwater use

794
02:06:52,750 --> 02:06:55,030
and water reuse than was previously available.

795
02:06:55,510 --> 02:07:01,890
Okay, thank you. And then my other question just kind of relates to how water gets into

796
02:07:01,890 --> 02:07:08,170
the queue. So we only have water in the common queue because we're out purchasing water

797
02:07:08,170 --> 02:07:15,350
licenses to deal with growth. So where my question is specifically going, the amount

798
02:07:15,350 --> 02:07:19,950
of water that is in our queue right now, let's say that extra water that could be used in

799
02:07:19,950 --> 02:07:26,190
the common queue, we actually wouldn't have that if we weren't growing. And I maybe I'll

800
02:07:26,190 --> 02:07:28,650
go to C.O. Vince and I see she's leaning in to take that.

801
02:07:28,950 --> 02:07:35,050
It's a timely question because I had a media inquiry that came through and I was just

802
02:07:35,050 --> 02:07:39,170
doing some research. So I actually have a set of intriguing numbers here that I

803
02:07:39,170 --> 02:07:46,290
think it's really helpful to understand. And so if we go back to the year 2010 and

804
02:07:46,290 --> 02:07:51,790
that's just prior to the town changing its growth strategy. So at that point in

805
02:07:51,790 --> 02:07:57,370
time we were a non-growth community. In 2010 we actually had 2.2 million

806
02:07:57,370 --> 02:08:05,370
million megaliters of water. I think that's how you say that. 2.2 megaliters or a million

807
02:08:05,370 --> 02:08:13,690
litres. Ask me how much water we have today. We actually have 4 million megaliters.

808
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:19,400
So

809
02:08:20,260 --> 02:08:26,800
from the period of 2010 to 2024, so in that period of 14 years, we actually added an

810
02:08:26,800 --> 02:08:30,980
additional 1.8 in inventory to the town's water.

811
02:08:31,420 --> 02:08:37,520
So part of the challenge that we have is that the town was so good back in 2010 to talk

812
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:42,380
about the carrying capacity of the Sheep River because the Sheep River didn't change.

813
02:08:42,980 --> 02:08:47,580
People look at that and say, but the carrying capacity in 2010, you said you were reaching

814
02:08:47,580 --> 02:08:47,840
it.

815
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:49,500
And it was 30,000 people.

816
02:08:49,680 --> 02:08:51,380
And now we're here at 30,000 people.

817
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:52,780
You've met it.

818
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:54,360
And so why are you still developing?

819
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:59,320
So, no one understands that when you look at that water, we've actually almost doubled

820
02:08:59,320 --> 02:09:02,880
our access to water in that 14-year time period.

821
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:08,500
So, that's the piece that we need to be able to tell the story differently on going from

822
02:09:08,500 --> 02:09:09,800
2.2 to 4.

823
02:09:12,580 --> 02:09:13,240
Thank you.

824
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:14,160
That was helpful.

825
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:14,940
Okay.

826
02:09:15,420 --> 02:09:16,620
Any other questions on this?

827
02:09:19,180 --> 02:09:20,600
I don't think there is anybody else.

828
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:22,020
So, to you, Councillor Robinson.

829
02:09:22,120 --> 02:09:22,320
All right.

830
02:09:22,380 --> 02:09:24,640
I wanted to ask about the development permit check.

831
02:09:24,640 --> 02:09:29,140
So that was that's part of the 2021 revisions right to the policy as we

832
02:09:29,140 --> 02:09:34,600
had these development permit checks in. Yes, that is correct. Yeah and so I mean I

833
02:09:34,600 --> 02:09:38,960
guess what happens at that point is like we approve the initial one based on

834
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,560
like the zoning for whole p-parcel like a larger parcel then when it gets the

835
02:09:43,560 --> 02:09:47,140
development permit change we then like check that actually our assumptions

836
02:09:47,140 --> 02:09:50,900
then which we approved sort of that whole parcel are now accurate as like

837
02:09:50,900 --> 02:09:53,220
those all those development permits come in you know I mean like we've

838
02:09:53,220 --> 02:09:58,140
got an NC parcel that we approved on a basis, but then we actually look and see, oh, it didn't

839
02:09:58,140 --> 02:10:02,680
approve it. 80 units, it actually went to 100 units, so now we need to check each one

840
02:10:02,680 --> 02:10:07,320
of these as the development framework comes in, or is it just like a check to make sure

841
02:10:07,320 --> 02:10:09,260
we had it when the development framework comes in?

842
02:10:11,120 --> 02:10:18,060
It's effectively that. So at the zoning stage, we probably zone for an entire phase

843
02:10:18,060 --> 02:10:24,480
of development. In that example, if we had a neighborhood core district site, the parent

844
02:10:24,480 --> 02:10:28,140
developer might have a rough idea of the type of development that's going in, or they might

845
02:10:28,140 --> 02:10:34,560
have a very good idea if they have maybe a purchaser in mind. We have ways of estimating

846
02:10:34,560 --> 02:10:39,720
that development, but the flexibility under that district allows for different types of

847
02:10:39,720 --> 02:10:44,800
development. For instance, if the assumption was that it was going to be a four-story

848
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:50,180
apartment building and then it comes in and it's actually a grouping of attached sort of

849
02:10:50,180 --> 02:10:55,760
row house configuration so there's less then we can adjust it and there's more capacity available.

850
02:10:56,800 --> 02:11:00,720
On the flip side if it comes in and it's denser than what we anticipate then there would need

851
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:06,480
to be more water assigned before we could approve that development. The other situation might be

852
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:14,700
where we have like a commercial zoning or an industrial type zoning and a specific high

853
02:11:14,700 --> 02:11:21,040
water use user goes in that we flag to be a high water user under our land use by law,

854
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:26,060
then we would need verification on what we expect their water usage to be because it

855
02:11:26,060 --> 02:11:31,740
would be typically higher than what the average is because largely at the rezoning we're

856
02:11:31,740 --> 02:11:36,180
going off of average use for that similar type of development.

857
02:11:39,470 --> 02:11:40,670
In the administrative guideline,

858
02:11:40,910 --> 02:11:43,730
we charge a 2.5% interest charge

859
02:11:43,730 --> 02:11:48,290
on basically how long we've had to carry

860
02:11:48,290 --> 02:11:50,630
the water license charges

861
02:11:50,630 --> 02:11:52,030
until they get picked up by a developer.

862
02:11:52,710 --> 02:11:56,350
Have we checked that that's in today's

863
02:11:56,350 --> 02:11:57,090
interest rate environment

864
02:11:57,090 --> 02:11:59,170
still the appropriate interest rate

865
02:11:59,170 --> 02:12:00,390
for the length of time

866
02:12:00,390 --> 02:12:01,790
that we're carrying these charges for?

867
02:12:01,790 --> 02:12:02,850
Thank

868
02:12:07,010 --> 02:12:08,710
you, Councillor Robinson through the chair.

869
02:12:11,290 --> 02:12:13,730
The short answer is no. In the last

870
02:12:13,730 --> 02:12:21,650
update we actually added the concept of true cost accounting. So the intent being to start

871
02:12:21,650 --> 02:12:28,210
to carry some running totals and actually ensure that water licensing is purchased at

872
02:12:28,210 --> 02:12:33,110
many different price points. There's soft costs like legal. There's a variety of additional

873
02:12:33,110 --> 02:12:38,270
that go with licensing and the intent was to create a running total of all costs

874
02:12:38,270 --> 02:12:42,970
and do some true cost accounting to update the charge for water.

875
02:12:43,670 --> 02:12:48,810
Prior to that we never, there was no consideration of changes in pricing

876
02:12:48,810 --> 02:12:53,550
versus what goes out from watering and any consideration for interest charges.

877
02:12:54,010 --> 02:12:59,070
So the 2.5% was realistic at the time of approving the administrative guideline

878
02:12:59,070 --> 02:13:02,790
and says it is the guideline it may be due for review.

879
02:13:06,970 --> 02:13:10,410
Okay, Council, we have just a motion to receive this as information

880
02:13:10,410 --> 02:13:13,570
when somebody like to make that motion.

881
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:19,770
Councillor Lang, anything to add? Anybody have anything to speak to?

882
02:13:21,070 --> 02:13:21,870
Councillor Robinson.

883
02:13:22,450 --> 02:13:27,790
I just want to thank Administration for clarifying some of these points.

884
02:13:27,790 --> 02:13:38,330
I think we are getting into the point where the processes in the water

885
02:13:38,330 --> 02:13:41,910
allocation policy process are actually going to be used, like really until

886
02:13:42,990 --> 02:13:49,510
February of this year we'd never really had to use them yet. So I think it's

887
02:13:50,430 --> 02:13:54,750
crucial certainly for administration and for us as counselors to really

888
02:13:54,750 --> 02:13:59,490
understand this process because I think it's going to be some time until we add capacity.

889
02:14:00,970 --> 02:14:04,170
People want to live in Okatoks and these things are going on.

890
02:14:04,490 --> 02:14:07,370
So I think this has been a good discussion.

891
02:14:07,550 --> 02:14:10,310
I think there might be some things in there that we need to think about.

892
02:14:10,590 --> 02:14:12,950
And there's certainly some things here that we're going to need to think about.

893
02:14:13,050 --> 02:14:19,830
I think as we see more development applications and land use redesignation applications

894
02:14:19,830 --> 02:14:26,190
come in that we're going to need to be aware of and be thoughtful about how we're going

895
02:14:26,190 --> 02:14:31,970
to be applying those things. So I think it's a very timely way for administration to sort

896
02:14:31,970 --> 02:14:37,650
of reeducate us and get our heads in this space as we deal with this at least for the

897
02:14:37,650 --> 02:14:41,650
next 18 months or so of this council and the next one going forward potentially as

898
02:14:41,650 --> 02:14:49,510
well. So I think we just can't quite probably talk about this enough frankly in our town

899
02:14:49,510 --> 02:14:53,670
at this point in time. So it's good for us, good for reassurance to the community.

900
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:54,770
So thanks so much for the update.

901
02:14:57,550 --> 02:14:58,190
Councilor Swansea.

902
02:14:58,570 --> 02:14:59,870
I would just like to speak to as well.

903
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:05,000
I know we're just accepting it as information. But again, it's because of this policy that

904
02:15:05,000 --> 02:15:11,280
we are not just doing development willy-nilly. Like this policy really guides what can happen

905
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:17,300
in OKA TOGS based on the capacity of these sheep rivers. So we're not willy-nilly, you

906
02:15:17,300 --> 02:15:21,620
know, approving developments here and there. This policy guides that development. And

907
02:15:21,620 --> 02:15:26,320
OKA TOGS, and I don't know if this is true. I think it is. It's one of the only municipalities

908
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:31,500
that has something like this right and it's it's really important that we have

909
02:15:31,500 --> 02:15:35,060
it we're fine-tuning it all the time thanks for the great work of

910
02:15:35,060 --> 02:15:39,980
administration and I'm grateful that we have it to help guide us so that we

911
02:15:39,980 --> 02:15:42,680
so that we develop responsibly so thank you very much

912
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:47,570
excellent I will call

913
02:15:47,570 --> 02:15:53,870
that question all in favor oh oh oh sorry would you like to close

914
02:15:53,870 --> 02:15:57,970
Sorry, I didn't follow that. Just made an assumption.

915
02:16:02,050 --> 02:16:05,890
Wow. I'd like to thank administration for this policy.

916
02:16:06,930 --> 02:16:11,770
This shows that we are stewards of water.

917
02:16:12,090 --> 02:16:13,510
We have to protect water.

918
02:16:14,510 --> 02:16:18,350
And we're not just developing houses or the areas in town.

919
02:16:18,850 --> 02:16:21,590
And the people in the town of Oak Toks need to know

920
02:16:21,590 --> 02:16:29,310
we just don't develop places until there is water for that development we are

921
02:16:29,310 --> 02:16:35,970
leaders in this field of protecting water kudos to administration for this

922
02:16:35,970 --> 02:16:36,410
thank you

923
02:16:39,390 --> 02:16:43,910
now I'll call their question all in favor excellent

924
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:49,990
and that carries

925
02:16:49,990 --> 02:16:55,830
unanimously which brings us to seven point four which is item six point four

926
02:16:55,830 --> 02:17:04,310
the Recreation Program residency response and just on that I actually don't have any questions

927
02:17:04,310 --> 02:17:15,370
for it. All I want to just say is I've pulled it just to highlight that we go through the

928
02:17:15,370 --> 02:17:22,650
process that we went through the process. So I've received various feedback indicating

929
02:17:22,650 --> 02:17:27,710
indicating that we let people from Calgary register and particularly with our high registration

930
02:17:27,710 --> 02:17:34,310
events like swimming, that creates consternation in our community. So I had administration go

931
02:17:34,310 --> 02:17:42,690
through a process to validate the validity of the statements. So I just really wanted

932
02:17:42,690 --> 02:17:49,430
to highlight the report for people to go through. And yes, there is a few in there, about

933
02:17:49,430 --> 02:17:55,790
5% that we couldn't completely confirm their address, but would just want to

934
02:17:55,790 --> 02:18:00,470
highlight that Foothills County residents are part of our early

935
02:18:00,470 --> 02:18:05,150
registration, so they could live at Heritage Point or to Winton and it

936
02:18:05,150 --> 02:18:08,310
sounds like they're not in Okotoks, but they're part of the early registration

937
02:18:08,310 --> 02:18:14,270
number because we have a shared services agreement with Foothills County, so

938
02:18:14,270 --> 02:18:18,350
they also get to register early just like our Okotoks residents because they

939
02:18:18,350 --> 02:18:22,970
contribute to the cost so I just really pulled it to highlight it and make a

940
02:18:22,970 --> 02:18:27,090
statement that it exists and people should have a good look at that so thank

941
02:18:27,090 --> 02:18:30,710
you very much for admin for doing that data work and pulling that together I

942
02:18:30,710 --> 02:18:36,970
appreciate it. So can I get a motion to receive that as information? Anybody?

943
02:18:37,230 --> 02:18:39,710
Councillor Spenzi would you like to speak to the motion?

944
02:18:42,050 --> 02:18:43,270
Thank you and

945
02:18:43,270 --> 02:18:47,210
I'm going to speak to this motion because this inquiry and the

946
02:18:47,210 --> 02:18:52,170
and the information that is in it is here because

947
02:18:52,170 --> 02:18:54,250
of the excellent data work that our team does.

948
02:18:54,650 --> 02:18:58,890
So we have invested in collecting better data

949
02:18:58,890 --> 02:19:00,890
so that we can make better informed decisions

950
02:19:01,310 --> 02:19:03,650
and this is a really good example

951
02:19:03,650 --> 02:19:06,170
of what happens when you invest in data.

952
02:19:06,350 --> 02:19:08,290
And so we have one of our data specialists here today

953
02:19:08,290 --> 02:19:09,990
who has made that report for us

954
02:19:09,990 --> 02:19:12,190
and now we can know exactly what is happening.

955
02:19:12,490 --> 02:19:14,150
So I just wanted to speak to that, thank you.

956
02:19:15,510 --> 02:19:24,470
Anybody else? Would you like to close? In that case I will call the question all in favor.

957
02:19:31,500 --> 02:19:38,540
And that carries, apparently I didn't vote properly. That carries unanimously.

958
02:19:39,440 --> 02:19:44,260
And with that I am going to call a 10 minute recess or 9 minutes.

959
02:19:44,260 --> 02:19:48,900
We'll come back at 4.30 and continue on with bylaws.

960
04:10:31,660 --> 04:10:38,720
So, Boston, you have been recognized for your kindness, your leadership, and your community-driven

961
04:10:38,720 --> 04:10:45,280
spirit. I just would like you to tell me a little bit about what you've been doing in

962
04:10:45,280 --> 04:10:51,680
terms of your sports roles and how you build that community spirit in the school.

963
04:10:53,640 --> 04:10:57,640
I don't know. I think just a multitude of things. I would say one thing I definitely

964
04:10:57,640 --> 04:11:02,000
try and do is include everybody, whether that's in Frisbee and trying to get everyone to join

965
04:11:02,000 --> 04:11:06,660
or just sitting in the cafeteria at lunch trying to just make sure everyone feels included.

966
04:11:09,160 --> 04:11:13,000
And which ones of you, you've been involved with a few different sports groups at the

967
04:11:13,000 --> 04:11:14,000
school, so which ones were those?

968
04:11:14,520 --> 04:11:15,840
Mainly football and Frisbee.

969
04:11:16,300 --> 04:11:16,520
Okay.

970
04:11:17,440 --> 04:11:20,360
Now, and did you also do CrossFit, some stuff with CrossFit as well?

971
04:11:20,360 --> 04:11:23,540
Yes, yes, I also did CrossFit and SportsPro through the last three years.

972
04:11:23,920 --> 04:11:24,240
Okay.

973
04:11:24,240 --> 04:11:35,360
Okay, and then about school spirit, how do you get your fellow classmates to showcase

974
04:11:35,360 --> 04:11:36,720
some schools and school spirit?

975
04:11:37,480 --> 04:11:39,560
I would say a lead by example.

976
04:11:39,900 --> 04:11:44,480
I try and just make everything fun whether we're an English class and be engaged in

977
04:11:44,480 --> 04:11:47,820
listening or just in the sports and on the field and things like that.

978
04:11:48,200 --> 04:11:53,580
I feel when you do that people usually follow instead it's like cool to be fun and have

979
04:11:53,580 --> 04:11:57,380
a good time instead of just sitting in the back of the class and so I would say I mostly

980
04:11:57,380 --> 04:12:02,160
do that and I would also say I would do that in teaching the grade 10s in my sports pro

981
04:12:02,160 --> 04:12:06,700
TA class. I don't know, I feel like they're all kind of like me which is kind of cool

982
04:12:06,700 --> 04:12:07,820
to see but yeah.

983
04:12:10,660 --> 04:12:17,880
And I'm going to read just one of the, so Boston was a, sometimes I, council will

984
04:12:17,880 --> 04:12:21,860
pick our awesome kids and sometimes we have submissions from the community. So Boston

985
04:12:21,860 --> 04:12:24,720
and one of your teachers at your school submitted,

986
04:12:25,100 --> 04:12:28,780
and I just like this story, so I'm just gonna share it.

987
04:12:29,420 --> 04:12:31,540
Here's the last story I have to share about Boston

988
04:12:31,540 --> 04:12:33,920
being just generally an awesome kid.

989
04:12:34,560 --> 04:12:36,340
One of the major trademarks of 2023

990
04:12:36,340 --> 04:12:38,560
is of course Taylor Swift's Eris Tour,

991
04:12:39,400 --> 04:12:41,700
a key piece of which is bringing friendship bracelets

992
04:12:41,700 --> 04:12:42,940
to share and trade with others.

993
04:12:43,740 --> 04:12:45,900
Over the fall, Boston with the help of his family

994
04:12:45,900 --> 04:12:49,060
made over 90 FCHS friendship bracelets.

995
04:12:49,060 --> 04:12:54,060
When giving me one, he told me that he wanted to recognize staff and peers in our school

996
04:12:54,060 --> 04:12:57,520
for doing an excellent job in a relatively thankless job.

997
04:12:57,760 --> 04:13:02,220
I cannot describe how touchening it was to see teachers and the staff from that afternoon

998
04:13:03,000 --> 04:13:08,900
showing each other their bracelets and sharing the joys they've had from teaching or simply knowing Boston.

999
04:13:09,520 --> 04:13:15,560
So, thank you for being an awesome student and encouraging the rest of your community.

1000
04:13:15,560 --> 04:13:18,420
I will go to council if they have any questions.

1001
04:13:21,920 --> 04:13:22,620
Councillor Smenzi.

1002
04:13:23,240 --> 04:13:26,440
Thank you so much for making folks feel included.

1003
04:13:26,540 --> 04:13:29,860
I went to the comp as well and I remember high school is a tough time, right?

1004
04:13:30,080 --> 04:13:33,080
So thank you so much for creating the community in your school.

1005
04:13:33,780 --> 04:13:34,680
Tell me about Frisbee.

1006
04:13:34,800 --> 04:13:36,320
When I went to the comp, there was no Frisbee.

1007
04:13:36,400 --> 04:13:37,400
There's Frisbee there now.

1008
04:13:37,580 --> 04:13:37,960
Is it ultimate?

1009
04:13:38,320 --> 04:13:39,300
What is happening?

1010
04:13:39,400 --> 04:13:40,020
That sounds great.

1011
04:13:41,200 --> 04:13:42,740
So yes, it is ultimate Frisbee.

1012
04:13:42,880 --> 04:13:44,040
It's a new sport this year.

1013
04:13:44,560 --> 04:13:47,660
Mrs. Colbert is running it and she's doing a fantastic job.

1014
04:13:48,660 --> 04:13:53,860
I don't know, we have a really good group of kids and it's been exciting to learn a new sport for the first year.

1015
04:13:54,100 --> 04:13:56,980
Kind of just like make your own mark on something that's never been done before.

1016
04:13:57,720 --> 04:14:02,220
And yeah, it's just like Ultimate Frisbee that you would do in gym class, but we compete against other teams.

1017
04:14:02,320 --> 04:14:03,340
It's been really fun so far.

1018
04:14:03,880 --> 04:14:05,300
That is awesome. Cool.

1019
04:14:06,560 --> 04:14:07,280
Anybody else?

1020
04:14:07,520 --> 04:14:14,800
When you're finally done at foothills, what do you strive to do? Where do you want to be?

1021
04:14:15,500 --> 04:14:21,260
So I'm currently planning on going to state and doing EMT and learning to do all of that stuff.

1022
04:14:21,700 --> 04:14:25,260
I think that takes around four or five years because I'm trying to do the advanced courses.

1023
04:14:26,260 --> 04:14:29,240
And after doing that for a little bit, I'm thinking of becoming a firefighter

1024
04:14:30,040 --> 04:14:32,160
and making my way up to do that kind of thing.

1025
04:14:33,160 --> 04:14:33,740
Thank you.

1026
04:14:34,100 --> 04:14:38,720
So we'll secure you now for that plan.

1027
04:14:39,200 --> 04:14:39,360
Thank you.

1028
04:14:39,360 --> 04:14:43,600
We're just going to sign that contract of first rate of refusal on that shift because

1029
04:14:43,600 --> 04:14:47,560
it's become a very competitive place to be so we'll just secure you right ahead of

1030
04:14:47,560 --> 04:14:47,860
time.

1031
04:14:48,820 --> 04:14:49,600
Councillor Robinson.

1032
04:14:50,180 --> 04:14:50,860
What grade are you in?

1033
04:14:51,280 --> 04:14:51,840
I'm in grade 12.

1034
04:14:52,180 --> 04:14:52,580
Oh, nice.

1035
04:14:53,040 --> 04:14:53,120
Good.

1036
04:14:54,220 --> 04:14:56,760
I have a grade 12 kid at the cough right now.

1037
04:14:56,760 --> 04:14:59,820
So, um, and, um, what?

1038
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:03,860
What we do want to get in Frisbee, like, did they just approach you? Did you get

1039
04:15:03,860 --> 04:15:05,460
other friends together, or how did that all come together?

1040
04:15:05,880 --> 04:15:09,720
I was, um, it was in gym class, and we were just having fun, me and my friends, and we

1041
04:15:09,720 --> 04:15:13,220
were just talking about it'd be cool if there was Frisbee sport, and that's when my gym

1042
04:15:13,220 --> 04:15:17,720
teacher said that there is Frisbee sport starting up, so I went and talked to Ms. Colbert,

1043
04:15:18,220 --> 04:15:22,420
and then, um, yeah, I went to start talking to a bunch of people, got really involved,

1044
04:15:22,600 --> 04:15:26,560
my brother joined it, and, um, yeah, we were just really excited to start that,

1045
04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:33,560
and I don't know how it just kind of coincidence I guess I was lucky what's

1046
04:15:33,560 --> 04:15:40,840
your favorite Taylor Swift song oh I don't know I would say there's too many

1047
04:15:40,840 --> 04:15:43,880
good ones to choose just one here's what I'll go with

1048
04:15:45,900 --> 04:15:48,160
Councillor Hallmark thank

1049
04:15:48,160 --> 04:15:53,400
you marathon I was wondering you came up with 90 bracelets so did you have a

1050
04:15:53,400 --> 04:15:56,420
list beforehand before you started making the bracelets are you started

1051
04:15:56,420 --> 04:15:59,200
making them and you hit 90 and you're like okay that's enough I'm just gonna

1052
04:15:59,660 --> 04:16:01,200
to fill these 90 positions?

1053
04:16:01,620 --> 04:16:04,020
Well, my mom, she was going to Disneyland

1054
04:16:04,020 --> 04:16:06,320
to run a marathon, and so she was making

1055
04:16:06,320 --> 04:16:07,920
a bunch of bracelets to start with that.

1056
04:16:08,240 --> 04:16:10,020
And then so she had the really good idea

1057
04:16:10,020 --> 04:16:12,600
of starting and doing this, so we started doing it together

1058
04:16:12,600 --> 04:16:14,020
and bonding and doing them together.

1059
04:16:14,580 --> 04:16:16,520
I don't know, we just started making them and making them

1060
04:16:16,520 --> 04:16:18,360
and I started hanging them out and people liked them.

1061
04:16:18,680 --> 04:16:21,040
So I think we just kind of ended up making a bunch

1062
04:16:21,040 --> 04:16:23,100
and then realizing that we had no more

1063
04:16:23,100 --> 04:16:24,300
red, gray, or white.

1064
04:16:24,700 --> 04:16:26,540
And then we were like, let's count how many we have

1065
04:16:26,540 --> 04:16:28,240
and it was right around 90, so we just,

1066
04:16:28,240 --> 04:16:29,880
We ended it there, I think.

1067
04:16:31,600 --> 04:16:34,640
Was it difficult to narrow it down to 90 people in your school?

1068
04:16:35,020 --> 04:16:38,020
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. A lot of people wanted them out.

1069
04:16:38,020 --> 04:16:39,520
I had to throw them out in the crowds and stuff.

1070
04:16:39,680 --> 04:16:41,540
I think someone bit me while I was doing it.

1071
04:16:41,620 --> 04:16:44,200
But they were very, everyone wanted one.

1072
04:16:44,460 --> 04:16:45,740
So, yeah, it was pretty hard.

1073
04:16:47,640 --> 04:16:51,560
Excellent. Well, thank you very much for being one of our awesome kids this month.

1074
04:16:51,840 --> 04:16:55,760
Boston and I wish you all the best when you graduate and off on whatever endeavors.

1075
04:16:55,760 --> 04:17:03,500
and you think I was being kidding about the firefighter position, but really if when you're ready you come back and talk to the Todd of Oak shows.

1076
04:17:04,900 --> 04:17:06,140
Thank you so much for the award.

1077
04:17:07,480 --> 04:17:09,100
Thank you so much for the award.

1078
04:17:09,240 --> 04:17:10,100
Yeah, there you go.

1079
04:17:12,640 --> 04:17:13,960
Thank you so much for the award.

1080
04:17:14,080 --> 04:17:18,000
I'd also just like to say thank you to my loving parents and for coming out and supporting me.

1081
04:17:18,180 --> 04:17:20,600
And thank you to all of the teachers who came out and supported me.

1082
04:17:20,780 --> 04:17:24,580
So Miss Colbert, Miss Velsky, Mrs. Gibbs, both another Miss Colbert.

1083
04:17:24,580 --> 04:17:29,660
And just everyone Miss Salary and everyone who came out just thank you so much for supporting me

1084
04:17:29,660 --> 04:17:31,260
I couldn't have done it without you

1085
04:17:31,260 --> 04:17:31,880
Do

1086
04:17:37,290 --> 04:17:41,950
the same thing come up get your certificate. We'll take a picture and mr. Brash. Sorry

1087
04:19:05,680 --> 04:19:12,100
Okay, and our second one is Abigail Breen brain brain Brian Brian

1088
04:19:12,980 --> 04:19:14,620
Abigail burn burn

1089
04:19:14,620 --> 04:19:17,660
That you just you guys getting no for about be back

1090
04:19:23,590 --> 04:19:25,570
Welcome Abigail. So Abigail

1091
04:19:25,570 --> 04:19:30,290
is being recognized for her outstanding dedication

1092
04:19:30,290 --> 04:19:34,110
in her work experience placement as a teacher's assistant

1093
04:19:34,110 --> 04:19:37,210
in training for our students with complex needs,

1094
04:19:37,450 --> 04:19:38,390
also from the foothills.

1095
04:19:38,650 --> 04:19:41,210
Equal secondary foothills compensated by school.

1096
04:19:41,850 --> 04:19:44,090
So do you want to tell us a little bit about that work?

1097
04:19:46,550 --> 04:19:50,350
In grade 11, second semester, I had a spare

1098
04:19:50,350 --> 04:19:52,970
and I just was in my foods class

1099
04:19:52,970 --> 04:19:57,030
and I saw some of the kids with complex needs working in there and I just kind of

1100
04:19:57,030 --> 04:20:04,110
worked my way towards working with them. And now I pretty much help out with

1101
04:20:04,110 --> 04:20:11,350
everything I can. I help out with them in sports performance. I take them to

1102
04:20:11,350 --> 04:20:16,150
their classes. I just help out with anything I can. Excellent. And what do

1103
04:20:16,150 --> 04:20:22,390
you enjoy about that? Just like hanging out with them is really fun. They're

1104
04:20:22,390 --> 04:20:23,070
It's just super cool.

1105
04:20:23,370 --> 04:20:25,850
I don't really, it's good.

1106
04:20:26,430 --> 04:20:27,950
Council, Councilor Hallmark.

1107
04:20:28,910 --> 04:20:30,270
Thank you, Mayor Thorn.

1108
04:20:30,770 --> 04:20:33,710
I was wondering, so going forward when you graduate,

1109
04:20:33,890 --> 04:20:36,130
are you looking to enter a profession

1110
04:20:36,130 --> 04:20:39,110
that you might use these skills?

1111
04:20:40,070 --> 04:20:41,150
I have been.

1112
04:20:41,850 --> 04:20:44,150
I'm just, I'm thinking about taking a gap year

1113
04:20:44,150 --> 04:20:47,010
so I can test out all my options,

1114
04:20:47,230 --> 04:20:48,810
but that's one I'm leading towards.

1115
04:20:52,300 --> 04:20:52,980
Anybody else?

1116
04:20:55,020 --> 04:21:00,600
Okay, I'm going to read one of the things that was written and so Abigail was also recommended

1117
04:21:00,600 --> 04:21:07,620
to us from some teachers at her school, so it says, the relationships that Abigail has

1118
04:21:07,620 --> 04:21:11,120
fostered among these students is meaningful and impactful.

1119
04:21:11,680 --> 04:21:15,300
They intentionally seek her out and take joy from her presence.

1120
04:21:16,020 --> 04:21:19,600
Working with our learning support team, Abigail helps students with their academics

1121
04:21:19,600 --> 04:21:23,080
while supporting their social and emotional well-being.

1122
04:21:23,080 --> 04:21:27,000
I have personally witnessed Abigail go above and beyond in her placement.

1123
04:21:27,660 --> 04:21:31,680
So congratulations for being an awesome kid and all the work that you're doing in your school.

1124
04:21:39,620 --> 04:21:41,560
Same thing that we've seen.

1125
04:23:03,760 --> 04:23:07,460
That's it. I know you're all super excited about all the other council things we do,

1126
04:23:07,480 --> 04:23:09,980
so you're welcome to stay. We have a public hearing at 7.

1127
04:23:10,160 --> 04:23:11,940
We only have a few things to do between now and then,

1128
04:23:12,040 --> 04:23:16,360
so you can stay and see what goes on or we'll pause and allow you to clear chambers.

1129
04:23:17,720 --> 04:23:20,140
So your choice. I won't take any offense.

1130
04:23:21,700 --> 04:23:22,680
But they do

1131
04:26:08,120 --> 04:26:16,640
not know. I believe we still have some closed session items yet to do. Oh, actually,

1132
04:26:16,940 --> 04:26:22,620
yeah, let's do, sorry, and I don't have my notes. We probably need to wait for our CAO

1133
04:26:22,620 --> 04:26:23,200
to return.

1134
04:26:28,020 --> 04:26:32,200
Sorry, I'm just going to get logged back into what I need to look at.

1135
04:26:35,950 --> 04:26:36,730
I believe

1136
04:26:36,730 --> 04:26:40,890
If Councilor Suenzi, do we have a motion arising?

1137
04:26:43,780 --> 04:26:45,340
We're on, yes, Patty, right?

1138
04:26:45,840 --> 04:26:46,320
Yeah, okay.

1139
04:26:46,760 --> 04:26:50,140
So, Councilor Suenzi, do you have a motion arising?

1140
04:26:50,720 --> 04:26:51,960
Yes, thank you very much, Chair.

1141
04:26:52,500 --> 04:26:56,380
The motion arising is that reconsideration be given

1142
04:26:56,380 --> 04:26:58,320
regarding defeat of the unanimous consent

1143
04:26:58,320 --> 04:27:02,300
to move forward to third reading of bylaw 15-24.

1144
04:27:03,820 --> 04:27:06,460
Okay, you've got that, Ms. Heaver, okay.

1145
04:27:06,460 --> 04:27:15,560
So for reconsideration council we need to have two-thirds consent, which I'm going to say is four of us.

1146
04:27:17,380 --> 04:27:28,620
For that, so I will call that question of reconsideration of the defeat on bylaw 1524 for unanimous consent.

1147
04:27:28,900 --> 04:27:29,780
So all in favor?

1148
04:27:40,200 --> 04:27:41,360
That's none of my notes.

1149
04:27:42,860 --> 04:27:44,220
probably is debate on.

1150
04:27:48,440 --> 04:27:50,320
And that carries unanimously.

1151
04:27:55,240 --> 04:28:02,700
Okay. So now we have Councillor Robinson actually

1152
04:28:02,700 --> 04:28:10,100
just corrected me just on procedure of that last vote. Do we need to talk about why we're

1153
04:28:10,100 --> 04:28:13,920
bringing it forward for reconsideration? Should there be a statement there? And I just don't

1154
04:28:13,920 --> 04:28:14,680
I don't know if I did that.

1155
04:28:15,220 --> 04:28:18,120
No, I'm certainly Mayor, sorry, Mayor Thornton.

1156
04:28:18,240 --> 04:28:24,200
Councillor Svanese should have been provided the opportunity to say why she was bringing

1157
04:28:24,200 --> 04:28:24,660
this forward.

1158
04:28:25,140 --> 04:28:25,340
Okay.

1159
04:28:27,480 --> 04:28:28,520
I will.

1160
04:28:30,200 --> 04:28:33,440
I'll move authorization, be given to read bylaw 1524, 3rd time.

1161
04:28:33,640 --> 04:28:33,880
Okay.

1162
04:28:34,220 --> 04:28:34,580
Perfect.

1163
04:28:35,740 --> 04:28:41,680
So, to go to 3rd reading, this does require unanimous consent, so I'll call that question

1164
04:28:41,680 --> 04:28:43,040
and this is non-debatable.

1165
04:28:43,040 --> 04:28:46,260
So I'll call that question all in favor and

1166
04:28:54,620 --> 04:28:55,640
that carries unanimously.

1167
04:28:55,800 --> 04:28:59,340
We've never done a reconsideration motion, so that's why you've got me

1168
04:28:59,340 --> 04:29:05,420
hesitating on what we're doing. So that now brings us to by-law, reading by-law

1169
04:29:05,420 --> 04:29:14,900
15-24 for a third time and passed. Would somebody like to make that motion?

1170
04:29:18,260 --> 04:29:24,060
I'd like to make the motion to the bylaw 15-24 be read a third time and passed.

1171
04:29:24,740 --> 04:29:26,000
Anne, would you like to speak to that motion?

1172
04:29:26,560 --> 04:29:26,820
Yes.

1173
04:29:26,960 --> 04:29:27,700
Thank you very much.

1174
04:29:27,880 --> 04:29:36,220
So to clarify my original, I did not evaluate properly the risks of delaying this bylaw.

1175
04:29:36,560 --> 04:29:37,640
I'm just going to pause for a second.

1176
04:29:42,790 --> 04:29:43,010
Okay.

1177
04:29:43,090 --> 04:29:43,290
Perfect.

1178
04:29:43,730 --> 04:29:44,390
So I'll just start again.

1179
04:29:44,390 --> 04:29:50,350
So, I, you know, when I paused the third reading of this bylaw, I actually did not evaluate

1180
04:29:50,350 --> 04:29:55,230
the risks properly delaying this bylaw in terms of rolling out the communication plan

1181
04:29:55,230 --> 04:29:56,510
in time for spring.

1182
04:29:56,510 --> 04:29:59,890
So this is actually a very time-sensitive issue on the communication plans.

1183
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:04,080
It needs to happen. Spring is right around the corner, so that's why I put the report before

1184
04:30:04,080 --> 04:30:08,800
the reconsideration. Thank you, council, for supporting that reconsideration, and I support

1185
04:30:08,800 --> 04:30:11,300
and encourage the reading of this by-law. Thank you.

1186
04:30:12,100 --> 04:30:19,240
But anybody else like to speak to this by-law? Okay, I will add just a couple of things

1187
04:30:19,240 --> 04:30:26,360
with it. So the water by-law, this is kind of a couple things in terms of our water

1188
04:30:26,360 --> 04:30:33,260
Water Shortage Response Plan is ensuring that we use the water that we have that is treated

1189
04:30:33,260 --> 04:30:36,860
water, used for drinking water, we're using it for its highest and best use.

1190
04:30:38,400 --> 04:30:50,040
So we've changed our outdoor watering schedule with that and looked at our grounds at parks

1191
04:30:50,040 --> 04:30:54,580
people in terms of making sure that they can still manage and maintain appropriate.

1192
04:30:54,580 --> 04:31:00,920
We have soil health and grass health, so that gives us a good balance.

1193
04:31:02,060 --> 04:31:10,400
This also allows us to add additional stage to our water storage response plan.

1194
04:31:11,880 --> 04:31:16,800
A lot of this is being done, yes, from the impetus of drought, but it is also being done

1195
04:31:16,800 --> 04:31:19,100
from being just good water management stewards.

1196
04:31:20,840 --> 04:31:24,440
One of the things I'll put out is that as a community, so we're being

1197
04:31:24,440 --> 04:31:30,820
being asked to sale burdens across the province to do our part in terms of managing potentially

1198
04:31:30,820 --> 04:31:32,180
the drought ahead of us.

1199
04:31:32,760 --> 04:31:40,140
So I challenge all of our community to think about how they can reduce water usage even

1200
04:31:40,140 --> 04:31:41,060
in a small amount.

1201
04:31:41,460 --> 04:31:42,820
It makes a difference.

1202
04:31:43,740 --> 04:31:50,120
So I encourage my colleagues to support this bylaw and I look forward to working

1203
04:31:50,120 --> 04:31:52,260
with the community in terms of implementing it.

1204
04:31:52,260 --> 04:31:54,960
So with that, would you like to close?

1205
04:31:55,480 --> 04:31:55,820
Councillor Smith-Seed.

1206
04:31:56,180 --> 04:31:56,620
Oh, thank you.

1207
04:31:57,060 --> 04:31:58,700
Okay, with that, I'll call the question.

1208
04:31:58,960 --> 04:31:59,820
All in favor.

1209
04:32:09,670 --> 04:32:11,570
And that carries unanimous aye.

1210
04:32:12,430 --> 04:32:16,450
Which brings us, we still have a little bit left to do on our

1211
04:32:16,450 --> 04:32:17,430
close to Jen.

1212
04:32:18,090 --> 04:32:18,470
Oh, yep.

1213
04:32:18,790 --> 04:32:22,930
We still have 8.1.1 water shortage response plan.

1214
04:32:23,210 --> 04:32:23,390
Right.

1215
04:32:23,590 --> 04:32:23,990
Thank you.

1216
04:32:24,530 --> 04:32:24,770
Correct.

1217
04:32:24,990 --> 04:32:25,990
I'd like to make a motion on that.

1218
04:32:26,290 --> 04:32:26,450
Yep.

1219
04:32:26,450 --> 04:32:32,430
So we need to go back to the Water Shortage Response Plan and I will go to Councillor Robinson.

1220
04:32:33,190 --> 04:32:35,490
I am just going to change the motion a little bit.

1221
04:32:36,550 --> 04:32:37,370
I'm going to move that.

1222
04:32:40,810 --> 04:32:45,390
The Water Shortage Response Plan be accepted by Council as appropriate preparation for

1223
04:32:45,390 --> 04:32:47,850
potential water shortages, such as drought conditions.

1224
04:32:51,960 --> 04:32:53,560
Would you like to speak to that?

1225
04:32:54,100 --> 04:32:54,260
Sure.

1226
04:32:54,260 --> 04:33:01,000
I just, like, we receive things as information, and I think sometimes it's just a little bit

1227
04:33:01,000 --> 04:33:06,100
of off hand for, you know, just, you know, sometimes just moving something along that

1228
04:33:06,100 --> 04:33:09,820
we don't want to action on, or it's something that, you know, really doesn't call for any

1229
04:33:09,820 --> 04:33:15,880
sort of comment by council in general. So I think that motion maybe could have done

1230
04:33:15,880 --> 04:33:19,140
the trick here, but I think it's a little bit more appropriate to actually recognize

1231
04:33:19,140 --> 04:33:23,780
that I think us as council are saying that we have received administration's plan

1232
04:33:23,780 --> 04:33:27,460
for dealing with what, potentially in the short term, but in other conditions, maybe

1233
04:33:27,460 --> 04:33:30,880
water shortage conditions, and that we think that it is a good plan and an

1234
04:33:30,880 --> 04:33:35,120
appropriate plan for those types of situations that may arise. So that's why I

1235
04:33:35,120 --> 04:33:37,440
revised the motion. I do think administration has done a good job on

1236
04:33:37,440 --> 04:33:41,440
this, and I think just so to the extent if you haven't been following

1237
04:33:41,440 --> 04:33:45,080
along on this, but somehow you picked up the debate at this point. If you've

1238
04:33:45,080 --> 04:33:48,320
been looking at the things in the water by-law that govern all the

1239
04:33:48,320 --> 04:33:51,340
things that we're going to be asking the community to do inside the water

1240
04:33:51,340 --> 04:33:54,920
shortage plan as a whole table says here's all the things that the town is going to be

1241
04:33:54,920 --> 04:33:59,080
able to do to respond to those types of water shortages in addition to sort of you know making

1242
04:33:59,080 --> 04:34:02,080
sure we run the plant appropriately and all those other sorts of things in terms of how

1243
04:34:02,080 --> 04:34:07,800
we use water as a as a as an entity as a water user ourselves. There's a whole table

1244
04:34:07,800 --> 04:34:12,120
in there that describes all the ways that we're going to adapt to that too. So it's

1245
04:34:12,120 --> 04:34:16,300
not just you know we're asking the community to do things but we have a plan in how

1246
04:34:16,300 --> 04:34:20,100
we're going to do things differently as well. So I think that's a very important leadership

1247
04:34:20,100 --> 04:34:23,560
step from our administration, I just think we need to make sure that we're kind of recognizing

1248
04:34:23,560 --> 04:34:25,300
that in a slightly more formal way.

1249
04:34:26,860 --> 04:34:27,340
Okay.

1250
04:34:28,000 --> 04:34:32,080
And I'm just going to provide, this is an administrative guideline, so I'm just going

1251
04:34:32,080 --> 04:34:36,140
to provide feedback to administration that under stage four where it talks about the

1252
04:34:36,140 --> 04:34:40,220
implementation of full outdoor waterbound, it only talks about filling of swimming

1253
04:34:40,220 --> 04:34:40,600
pools.

1254
04:34:41,100 --> 04:34:46,260
The actual water bottle bylaw has swimming pools and hot tub site just as a note.

1255
04:34:46,260 --> 04:34:54,220
vote. Anybody else have anything to add? Seeing nothing, I will do anything to close. Okay,

1256
04:34:54,500 --> 04:34:58,300
calling that question all in favor. And

1257
04:35:09,980 --> 04:35:11,000
that carries unanimously.

1258
04:35:13,320 --> 04:35:15,560
Now we are through our

1259
04:35:15,560 --> 04:35:21,220
agenda until we get to the public hearing. So we have 20 minutes. We have a couple closed

1260
04:35:21,220 --> 04:35:25,560
session items still to deal with. So if I could get a motion to go into closed session,

1261
04:35:25,560 --> 04:35:28,040
Councilor Lange. All in favor.

1262
04:35:32,560 --> 04:35:36,640
All in favor. Yep. So that carries unanimously so we'll

1263
04:35:36,640 --> 04:35:40,900
move into closed session and we will be back for 7 p.m. for the public hearing.

1264
05:01:02,420 --> 05:01:06,240
Yeah. I like how in our people are the ones coming in the door.

1265
05:01:14,140 --> 05:01:19,400
Excellent. Okay. It is shortly

1266
05:01:19,400 --> 05:01:30,280
after seven o'clock. We have a public hearing in front of us. And so I will get that started.

1267
05:01:30,600 --> 05:01:34,880
So citizens wishing to make submissions for tonight's public hearings, we're given the

1268
05:01:34,880 --> 05:01:39,820
option to provide a written submission request to appear virtually or attend the public hearing

1269
05:01:39,820 --> 05:01:41,700
in person in the council chambers.

1270
05:01:42,320 --> 05:01:49,560
Written submissions received by noon on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 regarding bylaw 12-24 were included

1271
05:01:49,560 --> 05:01:50,600
in the agenda package.

1272
05:01:51,740 --> 05:01:56,200
Any submissions received after this and up until 7 p.m. tonight will be read into

1273
05:01:56,200 --> 05:02:00,860
the record during the hearing and included in the agenda package retitled amended.

1274
05:02:01,640 --> 05:02:07,720
The amended council agenda package for March 25, 2024 will be uploaded to the town's website

1275
05:02:07,720 --> 05:02:10,180
within three business days if necessary.

1276
05:02:11,540 --> 05:02:15,440
For anyone wishing to provide feedback at tonight's public hearing, we ask that comments

1277
05:02:15,440 --> 05:02:17,920
be of proper decorum succinct.

1278
05:02:18,680 --> 05:02:23,180
If another person has already made a point, simply state that you agree with the point.

1279
05:02:23,740 --> 05:02:26,220
Five minutes is allotted to each presenter.

1280
05:02:26,220 --> 05:02:32,960
After administration has fully reported on the bylaw, a 15-minute break will be announced

1281
05:02:32,960 --> 05:02:37,260
to provide an opportunity to anyone wishing to respond to new information that has arisen

1282
05:02:37,260 --> 05:02:38,700
from administration's report.

1283
05:02:40,020 --> 05:02:45,400
Responses will only be received for the duration of the break via email using the submit

1284
05:02:45,400 --> 05:02:52,320
button on okatoks.ca or to legislative services at okatoks.ca.

1285
05:02:53,240 --> 05:02:56,680
Responses will be summarized and noted after the break.

1286
05:02:57,400 --> 05:03:02,420
So we're here for bylaw 12-24, which is a land-use bylaw amendment.

1287
05:03:02,960 --> 05:03:08,660
So we'll now proceed to the statutory public hearing for bylaw 12-24, land-use bylaw amendment.

1288
05:03:09,460 --> 05:03:15,720
The purpose of bylaw 12-24 is to amend the land-use bylaw to exempt election signage

1289
05:03:15,720 --> 05:03:21,200
from the requirements of a development permit and all signed standards of the land-use bylaw

1290
05:03:21,200 --> 05:03:29,480
provided it complies with the provisions of the town of Okatok's proposed election signage bylaw.

1291
05:03:29,920 --> 05:03:33,960
I'm going to turn this over to our community growth and investment planner, Matt LaLonde.

1292
05:03:37,020 --> 05:03:38,420
Good evening, everyone.

1293
05:03:39,980 --> 05:03:46,920
My name is Matt LaLonde. I'm planner with the community growth and investment team on 14.1, which is bylaw 1224.

1294
05:03:47,940 --> 05:03:51,700
I'd like to provide a quick summary of the proposed by-law and its relationship with

1295
05:03:51,700 --> 05:03:56,940
by-law 1124 on election signage to be discussed at the outcome of this public hearing.

1296
05:03:57,660 --> 05:04:01,580
The purpose of this amendment is to exempt election signage from the requirements of

1297
05:04:01,580 --> 05:04:06,360
a development permit and all sign standards of the land-use by-law provided that it complies

1298
05:04:06,360 --> 05:04:08,920
with the provisions of the proposed election signage by-law.

1299
05:04:09,640 --> 05:04:14,020
The land-use by-law currently regulates all signage within Okotoks and the proposed

1300
05:04:14,020 --> 05:04:18,460
proposed election signage by-law if adopted would be in conflict with those current regulations.

1301
05:04:19,480 --> 05:04:24,140
This proposed amendment would remove those conflicts and enable the election signage

1302
05:04:24,140 --> 05:04:28,440
by-law to regulate election signage separately from any other type of signage in the town.

1303
05:04:29,140 --> 05:04:34,420
This by-law amendment will not have any impact on currently existing signage or future signage

1304
05:04:34,420 --> 05:04:40,060
applications nor does it alter the development permit review or approval processes for non-election

1305
05:04:40,060 --> 05:04:45,840
signage. All signage will continue to be regulated under the land use bylaw, except election signage

1306
05:04:45,840 --> 05:04:50,560
as specifically defined in this amendment and in the election signage bylaw. Additionally,

1307
05:04:50,880 --> 05:04:55,440
there are no alignment concerns between this bylaw, the municipal development plan, or any

1308
05:04:55,440 --> 05:04:59,780
other regional plans. In advance of this council meeting, the public hearing was advertised

1309
05:04:59,780 --> 05:05:03,340
in the Okatoks Western Wheel for two weeks in accordance with the requirements of the

1310
05:05:03,340 --> 05:05:07,620
Municipal Government Act, and at the time of report preparation, no written correspondence

1311
05:05:07,620 --> 05:05:11,860
was received. Administration is recommending that Council give second and third readings to

1312
05:05:11,860 --> 05:05:15,800
this by-law. That concludes my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have

1313
05:05:15,800 --> 05:05:21,540
at this time, during or after the public hearing. Thanks very much. Thank you very much, Ms.

1314
05:05:21,580 --> 05:05:31,760
Juarez. Okay, so we don't do questions at this moment in time, right? Okay. So would any person

1315
05:05:31,760 --> 05:05:37,220
person present in council chambers wish to speak in favor of proposed bylaw 12-24?

1316
05:05:40,150 --> 05:05:47,190
We have nobody attending remote, correct? Okay. Would anyone, any person present in the council

1317
05:05:47,190 --> 05:05:55,550
chamber wish to speak in objection to proposed bylaw 12-24? Seeing none. Does council have

1318
05:05:55,550 --> 05:05:59,170
any questions of administration at this time? Councilor Swincey.

1319
05:05:59,650 --> 05:06:05,690
Thank you. This is a process question. If I know that this by-law is connected to the

1320
05:06:08,790 --> 05:06:12,430
election signage by-law, which we're going to talk about next, if we make changes to

1321
05:06:12,430 --> 05:06:18,470
the election signage by-law, can we approve this? What am I trying to say here? Can we

1322
05:06:18,470 --> 05:06:21,690
approve this and then make changes to the election signage by-law after this?

1323
05:06:22,470 --> 05:06:23,630
It is possible, yes.

1324
05:06:26,160 --> 05:06:26,960
Any other questions?

1325
05:06:29,760 --> 05:06:37,600
Okay, so would administration now note how many written responses received in favor or

1326
05:06:37,600 --> 05:06:45,920
in objection to Bylaw 12-24 after the March 20th, 2024 noon deadline up until 7 p.m. tonight

1327
05:06:45,920 --> 05:06:48,160
and read those responses into the record?

1328
05:06:49,260 --> 05:06:49,900
There were none.

1329
05:06:50,180 --> 05:06:56,160
Okay, so we will now take a 15-minute break to allow those watching to respond to new

1330
05:06:56,160 --> 05:07:00,620
information that has arisen during administration's report. The email address

1331
05:07:00,620 --> 05:07:05,340
will be provided on the break screens. Emails must contain your full name and

1332
05:07:05,340 --> 05:07:09,700
street address. Administration will compile the responses and read each of

1333
05:07:09,700 --> 05:07:15,540
them out after the break. Emails will only be received during this break. The

1334
05:07:15,540 --> 05:07:19,260
time is now 7.09 p.m. The break will start now.

1335
05:22:42,420 --> 05:22:53,320
The time is now 7.25 and email submissions have stopped, so administration, please read any submissions received during the break.

1336
05:22:53,820 --> 05:22:55,180
There are none, Mayor Thawne.

1337
05:22:55,660 --> 05:22:56,080
Excellent.

1338
05:22:57,400 --> 05:23:05,260
So that takes us to, does anyone present in council chamber have a question of clarification regarding the information they heard during this presentation?

1339
05:23:07,190 --> 05:23:11,230
Seeing none, we still have nobody with remote access, correct?

1340
05:23:11,230 --> 05:23:15,650
Okay, so does council have any further questions of administration at this time?

1341
05:23:18,470 --> 05:23:24,410
Seeing none, can I get a motion to close the statutory public hearing for bylaw 12-24?

1342
05:23:25,510 --> 05:23:27,190
Land Use Amendment

1343
05:23:29,970 --> 05:23:36,050
Council Robinson any discussion anybody else? Oh

1344
05:23:36,050 --> 05:23:37,170
Yep, go ahead Patty

1345
05:23:39,130 --> 05:23:46,560
No, we can vote on these great, but think we're all there so I'll call that question all in favor

1346
05:23:54,640 --> 05:23:58,540
Yeah, it was a suggestion. She wanted me to vote by sorry, I didn't pick up on that party.

1347
05:24:21,680 --> 05:24:25,160
Okay, so the question is, as Patty's trying to bring it up,

1348
05:24:25,180 --> 05:24:28,000
I'm just going to vote by hand, which was what she was trying to tell me to do earlier.

1349
05:24:29,160 --> 05:24:31,800
Council to close the public hearing all in favor.

1350
05:24:32,860 --> 05:24:37,960
That carries unanimously. Sorry, Patty. I didn't pick up on that to start with.

1351
05:24:38,860 --> 05:24:45,740
Okay, that leads us to bylaws. So we have bylaw 12-24 land use bylaw amendment.

1352
05:24:45,740 --> 05:24:58,840
This by-law is ready to be read a second and a third time and passed. Does anybody have any questions on said by-law?

1353
05:25:02,630 --> 05:25:06,010
Seeing none. Does anybody wish? Second reading.

1354
05:25:06,350 --> 05:25:11,590
Second reading. So this is on 11-24.

1355
05:25:12,210 --> 05:25:14,890
12-24. Land use by-law then.

1356
05:25:17,290 --> 05:25:20,350
Yes, yep, yep, yep.

1357
05:25:20,630 --> 05:25:21,670
Sorry, I've got,

1358
05:25:27,320 --> 05:25:27,680
sorry,

1359
05:25:30,320 --> 05:25:33,900
12-24 land use bylaw amendment.

1360
05:25:38,620 --> 05:25:40,900
Okay, so that needs to get right a second time.

1361
05:25:44,590 --> 05:25:46,550
I've been moved by Councillor Robinson.

1362
05:25:46,770 --> 05:25:49,250
Sorry, I'm calling that question all in favour.

1363
05:25:53,060 --> 05:25:54,940
Good, okay, that's good.

1364
05:25:59,840 --> 05:26:01,040
Did you want to speak to this?

1365
05:26:15,690 --> 05:26:20,930
Okay, now bylaw 12-24 be read a third time and passed.

1366
05:26:22,110 --> 05:26:24,330
Somebody would like to make that motion, Councillor Lang.

1367
05:26:25,430 --> 05:26:26,930
Would you like to speak to your motion?

1368
05:26:27,850 --> 05:26:29,770
Would anybody else like to speak to that motion?

1369
05:26:33,640 --> 05:26:33,900
No?

1370
05:26:34,540 --> 05:26:34,960
Okay.

1371
05:26:35,480 --> 05:26:37,000
Would you like to close, Councillor Lang?

1372
05:26:37,740 --> 05:26:42,720
Okay, with that, then I will call the question and this will be passed.

1373
05:26:42,720 --> 05:26:43,480
I

1374
05:26:55,960 --> 05:27:01,780
carries unanimously, which moves us to the election signage by-law, 11-24.

1375
05:27:02,700 --> 05:27:10,230
And I have Manager Cathy Duplassie to present.

1376
05:27:13,310 --> 05:27:14,550
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1377
05:27:15,250 --> 05:27:19,990
Now that the public hearing has been held and the land use by-law has been amended,

1378
05:27:20,650 --> 05:27:25,030
administration is here to request consideration for second and third reading of the election

1379
05:27:25,030 --> 05:27:25,670
signage.

1380
05:27:25,670 --> 05:27:28,810
So, we're taking previously in previous elections.

1381
05:27:29,170 --> 05:27:35,730
It was done through policy, but we are requesting that this now be in alignment with best practices

1382
05:27:35,730 --> 05:27:38,070
and lie in a bylaw.

1383
05:27:38,530 --> 05:27:44,110
It is much more clear, much more transparent to the public and allows for more enforcement

1384
05:27:44,110 --> 05:27:44,610
to.

1385
05:27:45,290 --> 05:27:50,870
This bylaw is also proposing additional sign crawl locations than what has historically

1386
05:27:50,870 --> 05:27:52,230
been provided in the past.

1387
05:27:52,230 --> 05:28:00,030
And further, we're also asking for, you can see throughout the body of the by-law too,

1388
05:28:00,730 --> 05:28:09,250
that it covers municipal, federal, and provincial elections in addition to school board trustees.

1389
05:28:09,950 --> 05:28:17,270
We are asking for consideration upon second reading that amendment be placed forward just to amend the candidate definition.

1390
05:28:17,770 --> 05:28:24,030
So, we are requesting that candidates include, it means an individual who has been nominated

1391
05:28:24,030 --> 05:28:28,110
to run for election in a municipal, provincial, or federal government, or as a school board

1392
05:28:28,110 --> 05:28:31,570
trustee to align with the rest of the body of the add-on.

1393
05:28:31,910 --> 05:28:32,290
Thank you.

1394
05:28:34,070 --> 05:28:37,330
Does anybody have any questions for administration at this time?

1395
05:28:39,030 --> 05:28:39,830
Councillor Robinson?

1396
05:28:40,470 --> 05:28:40,790
All right.

1397
05:28:41,210 --> 05:28:43,690
I just indulged me in a hypothetical.

1398
05:28:44,610 --> 05:28:48,790
What if we decided that we didn't want any election signs at all?

1399
05:28:48,830 --> 05:28:51,410
We just decided we were going to not permit them in Okatoks.

1400
05:28:51,510 --> 05:28:55,290
What do you think would be the likely consequence of a decision like that of council?

1401
05:28:57,030 --> 05:29:01,870
I know what I think it would be, but I am curious what administration's advice might be about that.

1402
05:29:04,430 --> 05:29:12,790
Through the chair, I think that that would create a be honest, unregulated mess of signages everywhere

1403
05:29:12,790 --> 05:29:16,530
where with really hard piece to enforce,

1404
05:29:17,330 --> 05:29:20,290
you would see a lot of them signages along boulevards.

1405
05:29:20,730 --> 05:29:22,430
I'm sure you've been in towns

1406
05:29:22,430 --> 05:29:25,010
where there is no signage bylaws or pieces.

1407
05:29:26,650 --> 05:29:28,650
And then I think if it's a safety issue too,

1408
05:29:29,210 --> 05:29:35,710
it's harder for enforcement to give those guidelines

1409
05:29:35,710 --> 05:29:37,190
and tell them where it's safe.

1410
05:29:37,630 --> 05:29:44,050
By having crowds, we proactively encourage all candidates

1411
05:29:44,070 --> 05:29:47,750
to follow the rules and give them a safe spot to put their signs in.

1412
05:29:49,170 --> 05:29:56,350
I think we might also be challenged with the rights for them to put signage up on public property, too.

1413
05:30:00,980 --> 05:30:08,480
Anybody else? Councillor Swansea. Thank you. This is for item 4.3 regarding election signage on property lines.

1414
05:30:09,080 --> 05:30:18,460
Did we have a maximum size for election signage on private property in previous elections? Or is this a new item here?

1415
05:30:21,510 --> 05:30:31,690
Through the chair, yes, I believe we did. And again, it was a safety issue in wind and picking them up and blowing them onto property or onto vehicles or into traffic.

1416
05:30:32,270 --> 05:30:32,910
So, yes.

1417
05:30:34,760 --> 05:30:35,760
Can I follow up on that?

1418
05:30:36,580 --> 05:30:36,880
Thank you.

1419
05:30:37,220 --> 05:30:37,900
Yep, thank you.

1420
05:30:37,980 --> 05:30:41,420
And sorry, was it .6 meters before?

1421
05:30:41,660 --> 05:30:44,060
Like, are we changing that or is that staying the same?

1422
05:30:49,350 --> 05:30:51,750
I'm just wondering if the signs are, if they're,

1423
05:30:52,010 --> 05:30:54,510
because there's that one resident that came in,

1424
05:30:54,530 --> 05:30:56,170
and I think you brought up some valid points.

1425
05:30:56,650 --> 05:31:00,210
So, are we making the signs smaller that can be on private property

1426
05:31:00,210 --> 05:31:02,430
or is that staying the same from previous elections?

1427
05:31:02,970 --> 05:31:03,190
I

1428
05:31:07,730 --> 05:31:10,350
have no idea how big .6 meters squared it is.

1429
05:31:10,350 --> 05:31:10,610
So,

1430
05:31:19,020 --> 05:31:20,760
on residential private property?

1431
05:31:20,880 --> 05:31:21,320
Yeah, on residential.

1432
05:31:21,320 --> 05:31:22,900
It was like this big.

1433
05:31:23,840 --> 05:31:24,500
Yeah, on residential.

1434
05:31:24,640 --> 05:31:25,040
Honoring members.

1435
05:31:26,900 --> 05:31:27,900
Yeah, we did that.

1436
05:31:28,020 --> 05:31:29,860
Yeah, I did that on fences, for sure.

1437
05:31:30,460 --> 05:31:31,220
Yeah, on fences.

1438
05:31:32,500 --> 05:31:34,360
So through the chair, yeah, on fences,

1439
05:31:34,460 --> 05:31:36,980
if it wasn't freestanding, I believe that that was allowed.

1440
05:31:38,000 --> 05:31:40,840
I can look it up, but just a sec if you don't mind.

1441
05:31:43,130 --> 05:31:45,310
I'm going to ask Janice to respond to that.

1442
05:31:47,730 --> 05:31:53,690
Yes, the size that we took in this new bylaw was generally taken from other municipalities

1443
05:31:53,690 --> 05:31:58,470
and how they regulate their signage and the size they use. Previously, when we had it

1444
05:31:58,470 --> 05:32:05,910
in a policy, we had basically said it was half a sheet of plywood, which wasn't really

1445
05:32:05,910 --> 05:32:11,650
working for us size-wise, so we felt we just shrunk it just a little bit, but it

1446
05:32:11,650 --> 05:32:12,830
is a little bit smaller, yes.

1447
05:32:18,740 --> 05:32:20,900
It's like three feet by two feet.

1448
05:32:26,120 --> 05:32:26,920
A big sign.

1449
05:32:27,280 --> 05:32:29,720
Maybe it's not as big as the ones you have, but it's still a pretty big sign.

1450
05:32:31,960 --> 05:32:35,080
We are saying that you can have one of that size

1451
05:32:35,900 --> 05:32:40,380
and then no more than three of the other size within that same corral.

1452
05:32:40,580 --> 05:32:44,460
So you could conceivably have four in a corral.

1453
05:32:44,640 --> 05:32:45,640
I believe that's how that reads.

1454
05:32:46,080 --> 05:32:46,880
Or that was the intention.

1455
05:32:47,080 --> 05:32:48,880
Yeah, this is relating to the private property.

1456
05:32:49,400 --> 05:32:49,940
Blinds, though.

1457
05:32:50,160 --> 05:32:51,000
This is on private property.

1458
05:32:51,060 --> 05:32:51,960
This is 4.3.

1459
05:32:52,540 --> 05:32:53,060
0

1460
05:33:03,010 --> 05:33:08,250
.6 meters squared is one meter times 0.6 of a meter that's a hundred centimeters

1461
05:33:08,250 --> 05:33:13,270
by 60 centimeters a hundred centimeters a meter is about three feet so it's

1462
05:33:13,270 --> 05:33:18,010
about three feet high by two feet or whatever wide however you're whatever you

1463
05:33:18,010 --> 05:33:23,190
feed by two feet and this is that what we were able to do before or we know

1464
05:33:25,350 --> 05:33:33,540
through the chart, it's slightly smaller, like, not much, yeah, that's what I think,

1465
05:33:33,700 --> 05:33:34,220
that's what I thought,

1466
05:33:41,210 --> 05:33:42,790
the square signs are 4 by 4.

1467
05:33:42,810 --> 05:33:49,570
The square signs, because half sheet of plywood would be a 4 by 4 sign, so we're going from

1468
05:33:49,570 --> 05:33:53,570
a 4 by 4 to a 3 by 2-ish sign.

1469
05:33:58,090 --> 05:33:58,410
Go ahead.

1470
05:33:58,630 --> 05:34:04,750
And so I guess we, like as you were saying in the previous guidelines, we weren't

1471
05:34:04,750 --> 05:34:10,530
very clear on it. It was a little bit more ambiguous. This provides that clarity. We're

1472
05:34:10,530 --> 05:34:15,270
not trying to make them smaller. We're just trying to provide some kind of direction for

1473
05:34:15,270 --> 05:34:15,570
folks.

1474
05:34:17,170 --> 05:34:22,670
So through the chair, it was done as an administrative guideline prior to this. It's a best practice

1475
05:34:22,670 --> 05:34:27,270
to have this in a bylaw, right? We're expecting the public to comply with it. For transparency

1476
05:34:27,270 --> 05:34:34,330
purposes, it should be a public-facing document, which is a bylaw. It's enforceable.

1477
05:34:34,330 --> 05:34:39,030
it's, you know, and would apply to all election types.

1478
05:34:39,470 --> 05:34:43,750
So, yeah, it's not meant to be any more over and above

1479
05:34:43,750 --> 05:34:46,250
than the ability of signage before.

1480
05:34:46,570 --> 05:34:48,150
It's just more enforceable

1481
05:34:48,150 --> 05:34:49,850
and providing more signage corrals

1482
05:34:50,290 --> 05:34:52,090
and being more transparent and accountable.

1483
05:34:55,780 --> 05:34:56,540
Councilor Swensi.

1484
05:34:56,880 --> 05:34:57,200
Thank you.

1485
05:34:57,340 --> 05:34:58,640
And why is there a difference

1486
05:34:58,640 --> 05:35:01,680
between how big the sign can be

1487
05:35:01,680 --> 05:35:04,420
on residential property versus commercial property?

1488
05:35:04,420 --> 05:35:06,360
because it says that the maximum

1489
05:35:06,360 --> 05:35:08,440
election sign on a commercial

1490
05:35:08,440 --> 05:35:10,940
property is 1.2 meters.

1491
05:35:12,580 --> 05:35:13,900
Through the chair historically,

1492
05:35:14,140 --> 05:35:16,120
commercial or industrial land are bigger

1493
05:35:16,120 --> 05:35:18,560
lots. They're industrial. You're not

1494
05:35:18,560 --> 05:35:20,520
going to have the smaller

1495
05:35:20,520 --> 05:35:23,000
lots with the ability

1496
05:35:23,000 --> 05:35:24,520
for damage, like damages

1497
05:35:24,520 --> 05:35:26,480
of property and those types of

1498
05:35:26,480 --> 05:35:28,060
pieces and site lines and stuff like that.

1499
05:35:28,260 --> 05:35:29,680
Commercial industrial will have those bigger

1500
05:35:30,240 --> 05:35:31,380
fences, they'll have those

1501
05:35:31,380 --> 05:35:34,440
those bigger boulevards, they'll have those bigger places

1502
05:35:34,440 --> 05:35:36,280
where you can put the larger signage

1503
05:35:36,280 --> 05:35:39,140
without any kind of sight line or safety issues.

1504
05:35:41,380 --> 05:35:42,000
Okay, thank you.

1505
05:35:45,710 --> 05:35:47,030
Councilor Swenson, keep going here.

1506
05:35:52,330 --> 05:35:53,750
The designated sign corrals.

1507
05:35:56,410 --> 05:35:58,370
This is something I do remember hearing

1508
05:35:58,370 --> 05:35:59,690
in the last election about, like,

1509
05:35:59,710 --> 05:36:00,970
I think it's really great that we have them

1510
05:36:00,970 --> 05:36:03,030
because it designates a place for people to put them.

1511
05:36:03,430 --> 05:36:06,230
I noticed there are two, there's some additional ones,

1512
05:36:06,370 --> 05:36:08,410
two of them being, I wanna call them like,

1513
05:36:08,410 --> 05:36:12,550
neighborhood-y, so that one in Woodhaven and that one in Downey, so like I've got

1514
05:36:12,550 --> 05:36:16,930
feedback that the Sincerels are so ugly, which I don't disagree, we need them. Do

1515
05:36:16,930 --> 05:36:21,630
we want to be putting them in like close, like that close into neighborhoods?

1516
05:36:22,090 --> 05:36:25,670
Do we need to have more Sincerels? Like has there been feedback of more

1517
05:36:25,670 --> 05:36:28,590
Sincerels? Like I haven't heard people want more, but maybe I'm missing

1518
05:36:28,590 --> 05:36:34,490
something or I just, yeah. Through the chair, we have heard that

1519
05:36:34,490 --> 05:36:39,970
candidates want more but of course it's up to councils prerogative if they

1520
05:36:39,970 --> 05:36:46,750
don't want the extra proposed sign crowds but the feedback was with that

1521
05:36:46,750 --> 05:36:50,990
they wanted more exposure right not just on the two feral fruits they wanted

1522
05:36:50,990 --> 05:36:55,590
some in the neighborhoods but again if that's not what councils hearing or

1523
05:36:55,590 --> 05:37:00,930
feeling as as previous candidates and current council we can go back to the

1524
05:37:00,930 --> 05:37:06,170
original sign crawls I'll just say personally I mean I know we're in

1525
05:37:06,170 --> 05:37:08,650
question but whatever I've been personally in favor of the more sign

1526
05:37:08,650 --> 05:37:13,690
crawls I think the the increased restriction on signs on the public space

1527
05:37:13,690 --> 05:37:17,890
is an incumbency advantage and so I think creating more public spaces if

1528
05:37:17,890 --> 05:37:21,990
people can put signs is makes it more accessible for more newer candidates

1529
05:37:21,990 --> 05:37:25,550
potentially have more exposure right because at the end of the day people

1530
05:37:25,550 --> 05:37:29,690
who are already on council have more profile or able to talk to more

1531
05:37:29,690 --> 05:37:31,430
more people or more likely to be more private people

1532
05:37:31,430 --> 05:37:33,650
and industry and all the rest of what signs up for them,

1533
05:37:33,690 --> 05:37:36,230
the more public spaces that anyone who's running can use,

1534
05:37:36,530 --> 05:37:38,070
the more access those people have.

1535
05:37:38,170 --> 05:37:39,870
And I get when you have 21 candidates

1536
05:37:39,870 --> 05:37:42,230
and it fills it all up, looks a bit messy,

1537
05:37:42,390 --> 05:37:47,330
but I think that the more public spaces

1538
05:37:47,330 --> 05:37:49,410
that the public is able to use,

1539
05:37:49,550 --> 05:37:50,950
that the more democratic it is.

1540
05:37:54,940 --> 05:37:55,600
Councilor Swansea.

1541
05:37:55,900 --> 05:37:56,240
Thank you.

1542
05:37:56,380 --> 05:37:57,560
Okay, that's a great, that's a good argument,

1543
05:37:57,760 --> 05:37:58,100
Councilor Robinson.

1544
05:37:58,780 --> 05:38:01,140
I guess then too, just my last question is,

1545
05:38:01,140 --> 05:38:06,500
is that we're going to put in more sign crawls. I can understand that. We are putting a little

1546
05:38:06,500 --> 05:38:11,760
bit more restriction-ish, not very much on private signs of private property. The challenge

1547
05:38:11,760 --> 05:38:12,500
I have with,

1548
05:38:14,600 --> 05:38:17,740
I appreciate these guidelines. The challenge I have is that we have these

1549
05:38:17,740 --> 05:38:24,040
guidelines. We had similar-ish ones at the prior election, but there was very low to

1550
05:38:25,220 --> 05:38:30,020
minimal enforcement of them. People still put them wherever they wanted, so we can

1551
05:38:30,020 --> 05:38:33,060
make all these sign crawls and they're going to be ugly here and ugly here but then people

1552
05:38:33,060 --> 05:38:38,260
are putting them in the boulevard so pardon me is like reducing the amount that we have

1553
05:38:38,260 --> 05:38:41,720
here like who cares what people put on private property so that enforcement only has to

1554
05:38:41,720 --> 05:38:44,200
deal with the stuff that's being on put in public do you know what I mean like that's

1555
05:38:44,200 --> 05:38:47,800
what I'm wrestling right now with because enforcement can't enforce all of these so

1556
05:38:47,800 --> 05:38:50,920
which one do we want them to enforce I don't care what happens on private property

1557
05:38:50,920 --> 05:38:54,500
but I sure as heck care when people putting them on four away stops where everyone

1558
05:38:54,500 --> 05:38:57,860
can see it. I don't know what that I'm just throwing that out there.

1559
05:39:03,520 --> 05:39:11,180
So just so I can understand where you're going, like are you thinking that you want to prohibit it on all public land then?

1560
05:39:11,780 --> 05:39:13,340
No, is that what you're saying?

1561
05:39:13,500 --> 05:39:13,640
No.

1562
05:39:14,720 --> 05:39:16,020
Sorry, no, not at all.

1563
05:39:16,080 --> 05:39:17,560
I think the sign crawls are great.

1564
05:39:18,160 --> 05:39:24,360
I'm saying that they're in their previous elections, candidates are putting signs on public lands and they're left there.

1565
05:39:24,860 --> 05:39:26,940
These policies are not enforced.

1566
05:39:27,920 --> 05:39:29,160
So what I'm saying, yep.

1567
05:39:29,860 --> 05:39:30,960
But we didn't have a bylaw.

1568
05:39:30,960 --> 05:39:34,500
Isn't that the whole I thought one of the entire purposes of us moving from look

1569
05:39:34,500 --> 05:39:39,560
We just used to have a policy that said do whatever the administrative guidelines said the administrative guidelines had some directions about it

1570
05:39:39,560 --> 05:39:45,220
But they weren't bylaws so no one like town people could couldn't really like go enforce it like there was no bylaw

1571
05:39:45,220 --> 05:39:49,220
There was just like administrative guidelines the town saying hey if you're gonna put up a sign

1572
05:39:49,220 --> 05:39:51,160
This is about where we probably won't go get you

1573
05:39:51,160 --> 05:39:55,160
We didn't really have bylaws that specifically you may put it here. You may not put it here

1574
05:39:55,160 --> 05:39:57,740
So that's why we're doing it this way.

1575
05:39:58,200 --> 05:39:59,140
Am I summarizing accurately?

1576
05:39:59,820 --> 05:40:00,620
Through the tier, yes.

1577
05:40:00,780 --> 05:40:02,860
And there's also offenses listed here, right?

1578
05:40:03,160 --> 05:40:06,040
So a bylaw is enforceable on the public, right?

1579
05:40:06,120 --> 05:40:06,720
They have to comply.

1580
05:40:06,860 --> 05:40:07,480
It's a bylaw.

1581
05:40:08,100 --> 05:40:09,500
A guideline is a guideline, right?

1582
05:40:09,680 --> 05:40:11,960
So that's what we had previously was a guideline, right?

1583
05:40:12,320 --> 05:40:15,300
We recommended we ask that you follow them as a good candidate,

1584
05:40:15,300 --> 05:40:19,160
but now we have a bylaw that bylaw enforcement can actually enforce.

1585
05:40:19,820 --> 05:40:20,020
Okay.

1586
05:40:20,120 --> 05:40:21,200
That is really good clarification.

1587
05:40:21,200 --> 05:40:27,020
So then my really, really last question is if it becomes a by-law then, that means we're

1588
05:40:27,020 --> 05:40:32,560
creating a by-law with a whole new set of policies, I guess.

1589
05:40:34,220 --> 05:40:39,460
Is this achievable for enforcement to enforce, is my next question, because there's, do

1590
05:40:39,460 --> 05:40:39,680
you know what I mean?

1591
05:40:39,860 --> 05:40:43,480
Like on the private property, the size of the signs and everything like that, is it

1592
05:40:44,740 --> 05:40:47,600
something within the capability of the team that we have?

1593
05:40:48,120 --> 05:40:50,280
Because I just remember there was a lot of infractions last year.

1594
05:40:50,280 --> 05:40:54,420
I don't want to put enforcement in this place that they're not able to enforce this.

1595
05:40:56,120 --> 05:41:02,040
So through the chair, I mean I haven't talked directly with the new OME manager regarding

1596
05:41:02,040 --> 05:41:04,340
this, but

1597
05:41:06,420 --> 05:41:12,980
I know in the last elections we did it based on complaints and also more on

1598
05:41:12,980 --> 05:41:17,680
the public piece where there were sight lines and along the public where it was clearly

1599
05:41:17,680 --> 05:41:25,340
outside of the public signage crowds. I don't and I might be speaking out of

1600
05:41:25,340 --> 05:41:28,320
turn for OMI but I don't believe that they're going to go on to private

1601
05:41:28,320 --> 05:41:35,020
property and and make you know pick pick fights to pick fights right or do

1602
05:41:35,020 --> 05:41:38,140
enforcement that isn't a complaint based or a safety issue or those types of

1603
05:41:38,140 --> 05:41:43,940
things so I would hope it's feasible and doable. Okay perfect thank you.

1604
05:41:45,460 --> 05:41:50,240
Councillor Lange. How do we decide on how big the sign crowds

1605
05:41:50,240 --> 05:41:57,880
are? Because last election there was 27 people for council, three for mayor, and so those

1606
05:41:57,880 --> 05:42:03,980
sign crowds just got inundated. Through the chair, that's why we have more

1607
05:42:04,400 --> 05:42:09,940
this time. But we work with parks. Parks, we've sat down and had a meeting with them

1608
05:42:09,940 --> 05:42:17,120
and OME and talked about where are some of the public higher traveled areas and where we

1609
05:42:17,120 --> 05:42:22,160
could get first call out and locate and make sure we can provide areas that they're not

1610
05:42:22,160 --> 05:42:24,520
going to be hammering into utilities.

1611
05:42:25,420 --> 05:42:32,080
So that's kind of where we worked as across the town business centers that would be

1612
05:42:32,080 --> 05:42:33,520
affected to pick those locations.

1613
05:42:40,480 --> 05:42:47,500
So I guess the only, and we can put this into debate, and I just was doing the math on this,

1614
05:42:47,680 --> 05:42:53,540
is the 1.2. I'm a little concerned about that that's going to be too small because there was

1615
05:42:53,540 --> 05:43:01,500
a bunch of 4 by 4 signs in the sign curls last time. So, and a 4 by 4 is a standard election

1616
05:43:01,500 --> 05:43:06,420
sign. If you want to get the bigger signs, that's the standard print size of them, otherwise

1617
05:43:06,420 --> 05:43:10,940
you start getting into custom, if you don't do the 4x4 kind of thing.

1618
05:43:11,080 --> 05:43:16,980
So that puts us at about 1.5 meters squared with that.

1619
05:43:19,080 --> 05:43:24,900
And then in terms of private property with that as well, there was quite a few private

1620
05:43:24,900 --> 05:43:31,720
property ones that have fences that run on thoroughfares or whatever.

1621
05:43:31,720 --> 05:43:41,980
And so they were sporting the four by four signs or the three by three by eight in a couple of places that were big with that.

1622
05:43:42,020 --> 05:43:43,780
So that exceeds that point six.

1623
05:43:44,460 --> 05:43:50,960
And I so I'm just a little worried about the exception piece of that because it is private property.

1624
05:43:51,180 --> 05:43:52,400
It's not obstruction of view.

1625
05:43:52,500 --> 05:43:53,700
It's not a safety risk.

1626
05:43:53,780 --> 05:43:59,920
But they've got the real estate to allow that along those mediums.

1627
05:43:59,920 --> 05:44:06,060
So I think those would be just questions of how would those, based on what the bylaw says,

1628
05:44:06,180 --> 05:44:07,220
those would not be allowed.

1629
05:44:07,320 --> 05:44:08,020
Is that correct?

1630
05:44:10,080 --> 05:44:11,420
Through the chair, that is correct.

1631
05:44:11,620 --> 05:44:15,080
But I've just pulled up the admin guidelines that are in existence right now.

1632
05:44:16,340 --> 05:44:24,720
And it appears that the previous sign on private was 1.2 and less than 2.5 meters

1633
05:44:24,720 --> 05:44:25,100
in height.

1634
05:44:25,220 --> 05:44:28,200
So exactly what's under 4.4.

1635
05:44:28,940 --> 05:44:32,340
So we could make those sizes the same.

1636
05:44:34,360 --> 05:44:40,720
Yeah, well the 1.2 is still doesn't cover a 4 by 4 sign.

1637
05:44:41,320 --> 05:44:47,340
Like a 4 by 4 is 1.48 in the scheme of things, right?

1638
05:44:47,540 --> 05:44:51,300
So a 1.2 meter squared does not cover a 4 by 4 sign.

1639
05:44:53,260 --> 05:44:55,560
That's the only piece that I'm raising.

1640
05:44:55,560 --> 05:44:59,960
of if I'm doing the math correctly and I won't profess the

1641
05:45:01,540 --> 05:45:08,600
1.2 is going to be not a standard. It's funny, I know we're in metric, but when it comes to

1642
05:45:08,600 --> 05:45:21,800
campaign signs, I always am working in feet. 1.2 is 3 foot 11. Yeah. So I

1643
05:45:26,850 --> 05:45:28,550
agree, but to the

1644
05:45:28,550 --> 05:45:35,410
technical piece of it, if somebody wants to go and measure a sign, a 4 by 4 sign would

1645
05:45:35,410 --> 05:45:42,610
not being compliance. So depending what I've seen in other elections, when people are complaining

1646
05:45:42,610 --> 05:45:49,670
about signage, that it doesn't meet or it's outside of it, that sets us up right off the

1647
05:45:49,670 --> 05:45:56,570
get-go, whether it's on commercial or private property, to have, and I'll use myself,

1648
05:45:56,570 --> 05:46:00,890
I had four by four signs on a variety of commercial sites

1649
05:46:02,570 --> 05:46:08,350
So I would be not in compliance with that and the four by four is a standard print

1650
05:46:08,350 --> 05:46:14,990
So I just tossed that out for my colleagues that I think we need to look at that sizing piece

1651
05:46:16,090 --> 05:46:16,650
Okay

1652
05:46:20,560 --> 05:46:23,500
1.5. Yeah, would be a four by four

1653
05:46:24,460 --> 05:46:26,220
Any other questions for administration?

1654
05:46:29,020 --> 05:46:34,860
Thank you. And then it says this can be up for six weeks. Was that six weeks before like

1655
05:46:34,860 --> 05:46:38,520
did we do six weeks in our last election? I feel like it was over the four weeks.

1656
05:46:41,200 --> 05:46:41,680
Yeah,

1657
05:46:41,720 --> 05:46:45,360
it was September 1st. I'm sure it was. Okay, excellent.

1658
05:46:48,540 --> 05:46:53,400
Sorry, through the chair, last election 2021 was the first time that they started the

1659
05:46:53,400 --> 05:46:58,740
campaign period on January 1st. So therefore, I mean, before that elections before that

1660
05:46:58,740 --> 05:47:03,000
it was only allowed under the election act for the four weeks from close of nomination

1661
05:47:03,000 --> 05:47:08,860
day because they had one single day until election day. With 2021, that was the first

1662
05:47:08,860 --> 05:47:15,120
time when it was running all year and then each municipality had to decide what they would allow

1663
05:47:15,120 --> 05:47:18,380
for signage. So we chose the six weeks.

1664
05:47:21,300 --> 05:47:24,760
2021, I'm sure. Yeah. 2021, there were signs up

1665
05:47:24,760 --> 05:47:26,520
like early.

1666
05:47:27,880 --> 05:47:35,760
We so sorry through the chair, through the chair the land use bylaw was changed in June.

1667
05:47:37,360 --> 05:47:43,600
They brought in a whole new land use bylaw in June 2021, which put it in out of alignment

1668
05:47:43,600 --> 05:47:47,320
with our signage piece that we had already started January 1st.

1669
05:47:47,380 --> 05:47:49,300
So there was some inconsistency.

1670
05:47:49,300 --> 05:48:01,860
So we provided the guidelines and asked that you comply with the corrals, but on private property people started putting up signage as soon as they filed their nomination papers.

1671
05:48:02,460 --> 05:48:11,080
Yeah, they filed their nomination papers. We only opened up the public signage corrals September 1st, but private property, yes, started as soon as you filed nomination papers.

1672
05:48:13,930 --> 05:48:19,090
I do have another question. I noticed there's no, and I don't know if this was intentional

1673
05:48:19,090 --> 05:48:23,470
or not. I don't have super strong feelings about it, but there's no limit on the number

1674
05:48:23,470 --> 05:48:29,010
of signs on private property. Was that intentional or?

1675
05:48:29,870 --> 05:48:34,650
Through the chair, we did not address the private property piece with the number of

1676
05:48:34,650 --> 05:48:34,850
signs.

1677
05:48:37,220 --> 05:48:38,580
Seven candidates on council.

1678
05:48:43,880 --> 05:48:49,360
I think, frankly, probably it's going to be unenforceable to say a number because,

1679
05:48:51,380 --> 05:48:51,880
well,

1680
05:48:52,020 --> 05:48:54,260
yeah, yeah, you're going to force people to pick one candidate.

1681
05:48:54,540 --> 05:48:58,700
There's seven people you could theoretically vote for, plus, like, whatever, if they put

1682
05:48:58,700 --> 05:49:01,460
up two, one sign, you know, it's all a bit of a pain in the neck.

1683
05:49:01,680 --> 05:49:02,860
So I'm okay with that.

1684
05:49:02,960 --> 05:49:03,520
I just was curious.

1685
05:49:03,740 --> 05:49:05,060
It was oversight.

1686
05:49:05,220 --> 05:49:09,180
If it was intentional, it sounds like it was pretty much intentional to just not say it.

1687
05:49:09,180 --> 05:49:10,000
Any

1688
05:49:13,650 --> 05:49:20,270
other questions? Okay. Does anybody want to move second reading and then we can deal

1689
05:49:20,270 --> 05:49:22,890
with any amendments that may need to be done?

1690
05:49:26,370 --> 05:49:27,230
Councilor Svanseid.

1691
05:49:28,130 --> 05:49:34,710
I'll move that by-law 11-dash. Are you planning to make amendments? Can you move your motion

1692
05:49:34,710 --> 05:49:38,610
and then make amendments to that motion? Can you do that? Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

1693
05:49:43,960 --> 05:49:45,020
I was

1694
05:49:45,020 --> 05:49:48,740
I'd like to please make the motion that bylaw 11-24 be read a second time.

1695
05:49:49,080 --> 05:49:50,420
Okay, would you like to speak to your motion?

1696
05:49:50,960 --> 05:49:51,480
No, thank you.

1697
05:49:52,160 --> 05:49:53,820
Anybody else like to speak to this motion?

1698
05:49:54,620 --> 05:49:55,640
I'd like to move an amendment.

1699
05:49:57,820 --> 05:49:57,980
Yeah.

1700
05:49:58,280 --> 05:50:04,360
I would move that the definition of candidate is revised in section 2.2 to mean an individual

1701
05:50:04,360 --> 05:50:08,040
who has been nominated to run for election in a municipal, provincial, or federal government

1702
05:50:08,040 --> 05:50:09,540
or as a school board trustee.

1703
05:50:10,060 --> 05:50:11,300
Okay, would you like to speak to your amendment?

1704
05:50:11,300 --> 05:50:17,060
Yeah, I think if you look at the ways defined in the land use by law and stuff, that definition

1705
05:50:17,060 --> 05:50:18,040
should probably be there.

1706
05:50:18,080 --> 05:50:19,820
I think it's just been overlooked a bit.

1707
05:50:19,940 --> 05:50:20,780
I don't think it's controversial.

1708
05:50:21,320 --> 05:50:21,680
Okay.

1709
05:50:22,240 --> 05:50:28,140
If anybody else would like to speak to that amendment, okay, I will call the question

1710
05:50:28,140 --> 05:50:31,520
on the amendment all in favor,

1711
05:50:41,270 --> 05:50:42,870
and that carries unanimously.

1712
05:50:42,870 --> 05:50:52,110
Okay, so, back to any other amendments on Councillor Svaneseed.

1713
05:50:52,990 --> 05:50:59,910
I would like to make an amendment that the maximum election sign size for both private

1714
05:50:59,910 --> 05:51:07,230
and for commercial property be, this might, hopefully I'm doing this correctly, 4x4, like

1715
05:51:07,230 --> 05:51:07,650
that standard.

1716
05:51:07,950 --> 05:51:08,910
1.5 meter squared.

1717
05:51:09,050 --> 05:51:09,350
Thank you.

1718
05:51:09,550 --> 05:51:11,310
1.5 meter squared.

1719
05:51:17,200 --> 05:51:18,540
Would you like to speak to your amendment?

1720
05:51:19,340 --> 05:51:26,300
Yeah, I think that the commercial and the commercial and the private should have similar

1721
05:51:26,300 --> 05:51:30,740
rules, and I appreciate sight lines and things like that, but there are places on private

1722
05:51:30,740 --> 05:51:37,980
properties like fence lines where those posters or those posters, those signs can be put,

1723
05:51:38,260 --> 05:51:45,340
and also to, I believe that is a standard election, standard size that the printers

1724
05:51:45,340 --> 05:51:49,760
make for those election signs and I think that that would just create better

1725
05:51:49,760 --> 05:51:57,060
continuity for future candidates. And councillors would see just so I clear and

1726
05:51:57,060 --> 05:52:02,920
provide direction to our legislative support. It's striking 4.3 from the

1727
05:52:02,920 --> 05:52:11,520
bylaw and changing 4.4 to apply to private property and commercial property

1728
05:52:11,520 --> 05:52:15,620
and changing the sign amount to 1.5 meters squared, is that correct?

1729
05:52:16,820 --> 05:52:18,360
That would work sufficiently.

1730
05:52:19,180 --> 05:52:23,640
I think it also has implications on 4.1 and 4.21.

1731
05:52:24,440 --> 05:52:27,340
So we'll have to carry that through for the maximum size.

1732
05:52:27,600 --> 05:52:31,380
We'll be applied to all elements of item 4.

1733
05:52:31,940 --> 05:52:32,080
Okay.

1734
05:52:32,680 --> 05:52:33,020
Yeah.

1735
05:52:33,420 --> 05:52:34,100
Of section 4.

1736
05:52:34,340 --> 05:52:34,520
Okay.

1737
05:52:35,460 --> 05:52:41,260
Do we need to change our motion to reflect that or does the intent of what we are trying

1738
05:52:41,260 --> 05:52:44,400
to do with this amendment make sense for administration to update?

1739
05:52:45,640 --> 05:52:53,480
Yeah, my sense is that we would indicate section 4 maximum size is changed in all clauses to

1740
05:52:53,480 --> 05:52:55,060
be 2.5 meters squared.

1741
05:52:55,740 --> 05:52:56,780
1.5, sorry, yeah.

1742
05:52:57,920 --> 05:52:59,120
I was looking at 2.5.

1743
05:53:06,020 --> 05:53:06,220
Okay.

1744
05:53:08,380 --> 05:53:08,800
All right.

1745
05:53:08,940 --> 05:53:09,680
You spoke to your motion.

1746
05:53:09,860 --> 05:53:11,100
Anybody else to the amendment?

1747
05:53:11,600 --> 05:53:12,080
Councillor Robinson.

1748
05:53:12,640 --> 05:53:17,660
So I'm okay with changing the maximum size and the corrals and the commercial stuff

1749
05:53:17,660 --> 05:53:20,160
up at 1.5 for a 4-way 4-sign, that makes sense to me.

1750
05:53:20,640 --> 05:53:22,400
I'm opposed to increasing the size

1751
05:53:22,400 --> 05:53:24,720
on the personal property lots.

1752
05:53:24,840 --> 05:53:28,040
I think there's lots of people who live in condos,

1753
05:53:28,180 --> 05:53:30,300
townhouses, other types of things

1754
05:53:30,300 --> 05:53:31,200
that don't have an opportunity

1755
05:53:31,200 --> 05:53:32,660
to put giant signs on their lots.

1756
05:53:32,880 --> 05:53:35,780
I think that it opens up being like people get put

1757
05:53:36,340 --> 05:53:38,200
4-by-4 signs right in their front yard,

1758
05:53:38,200 --> 05:53:39,300
right next to their neighbor's lot.

1759
05:53:39,360 --> 05:53:41,360
I think it opens up a whole bunch of different problems.

1760
05:53:41,780 --> 05:53:44,400
And I think it's actually the more conservative way

1761
05:53:44,400 --> 05:53:46,240
to go about it is just to like limit

1762
05:53:46,240 --> 05:53:49,800
those private property signs. If someone has a fence, they can put up the small sign on their fence.

1763
05:53:49,920 --> 05:53:54,000
It'll be just fine. Everyone will figure out what color it is for which candidate. They'll all get the

1764
05:53:54,000 --> 05:53:59,800
same point out of it. So I think opening up the big signs on the private properties actually causes

1765
05:53:59,800 --> 05:54:05,440
a lot more potential problems than it solves because I just, I think the private ones can be

1766
05:54:05,440 --> 05:54:09,840
the regular small signs. They don't need to be the giant ones on the 2.5 foot high signs

1767
05:54:09,840 --> 05:54:15,180
because I don't know about you, but if my neighbor put up a 4 foot high or a 2.5 meter

1768
05:54:15,180 --> 05:54:20,160
high sign that was four feet by four feet right next to me in my front yard, I'd be a little

1769
05:54:20,160 --> 05:54:25,500
bit cheesed about that. Regardless of who it was, initially imagine that it's, you know,

1770
05:54:25,820 --> 05:54:31,120
for somebody you really don't like or it says something that's, you know, less than

1771
05:54:31,120 --> 05:54:35,560
particularly savory like somebody in Woodhaven might be displaying right now. So, you know,

1772
05:54:35,660 --> 05:54:40,560
I think on the private property one, I think the small signs is fine. And if you,

1773
05:54:40,800 --> 05:54:43,460
you know, rather than trying to work out a bunch of exemptions, it'll offends

1774
05:54:43,460 --> 05:54:47,300
than all the rest. Sorry, if you have a fence, you still get the same small sign that everybody

1775
05:54:47,300 --> 05:54:47,740
else gets.

1776
05:54:50,530 --> 05:54:54,350
Okay. Anybody else wish to speak on this one?

1777
05:54:57,560 --> 05:54:58,960
Just a point of order? Yeah.

1778
05:55:36,510 --> 05:55:36,990
Yeah.

1779
05:55:37,610 --> 05:55:44,990
So point of order, just because the intent is for just one section of this. So let's

1780
05:55:44,990 --> 05:55:57,510
this, we will deal with changes to 4.1 and 4.2, and no, we can't deal with 4.4.

1781
05:55:57,910 --> 05:56:02,050
Okay, you want to keep 4.3, but the motion is to remove 4.3.

1782
05:56:02,430 --> 05:56:10,970
So we're going to deal with 4.1 and 4.2 and changing the signage size there to 1.5 m2.

1783
05:56:10,970 --> 05:56:12,970
So, we're going to deal with that first.

1784
05:56:14,160 --> 05:56:22,250
Then we will deal with the combination of 4.3 and 4.4 as a separate motion.

1785
05:56:22,690 --> 05:56:23,890
Does that make sense?

1786
05:56:24,030 --> 05:56:24,410
What's happening?

1787
05:56:27,320 --> 05:56:29,600
Can I reiterate what I'm going to do?

1788
05:56:30,760 --> 05:56:37,440
So by Councillor Swen-Seed, that subsections 4.1 and 4.2 regarding election signage size

1789
05:56:37,440 --> 05:56:45,340
be changed to the maximum size for both commercial and residential properties to be 1.5 meters squared?

1790
05:56:45,740 --> 05:56:47,920
No, so we're going to deal with this.

1791
05:56:48,500 --> 05:56:55,700
So the motion will be 4.1 and 4.2 to change the maximum signage to 1.5 meters squared.

1792
05:56:56,420 --> 05:56:59,860
That's going to be motion number one that we'll deal with.

1793
05:57:01,610 --> 05:57:06,650
And then we will deal with the 4.3 and 4.4,

1794
05:57:06,650 --> 05:57:11,670
which is the commercial and private property combining that and changing it to 1.5 and the

1795
05:57:13,610 --> 05:57:14,410
argument that

1796
05:57:17,070 --> 05:57:21,110
Councilor Robinson, so we'll deal with that one first because that argument's on there at the moment

1797
05:57:21,110 --> 05:57:24,670
So I'm splitting the motion into two so we're going to deal with the first one

1798
05:57:24,670 --> 05:57:28,290
Which is the commercial and private property I said it the other way around party

1799
05:57:28,290 --> 05:57:32,250
But we'll deal with commercial and private property which that motion is to

1800
05:57:34,310 --> 05:57:44,230
to combine 4.3 and 4.4 into one item and change the maximum size to 1.5 meters squared.

1801
05:57:45,250 --> 05:57:48,550
Councilor Svensson has put that motion on the table.

1802
05:57:49,190 --> 05:57:54,270
Councillor Robinson has spoken against that motion and we're going to debate that motion

1803
05:57:54,270 --> 05:57:54,810
right now.

1804
05:57:55,710 --> 05:57:58,030
So that's the one that we're talking about at this moment.

1805
05:57:58,130 --> 05:57:59,890
Does everybody at the table in clear?

1806
05:57:59,890 --> 05:58:06,810
So, we're talking about whether or not we want commercial and private property signs to be the same size.

1807
05:58:07,190 --> 05:58:16,250
Councilor Swenson's put forward a motion that is saying private property and commercial property should have the same size of 1.5 meters squared.

1808
05:58:17,730 --> 05:58:19,210
That's the motion in front of us.

1809
05:58:19,750 --> 05:58:25,430
Councilor Robinson has spoken against that, saying disagrees with that, and that's where we're at.

1810
05:58:27,220 --> 05:58:28,060
Okay.

1811
05:58:29,280 --> 05:58:30,860
Is that am I am I right?

1812
05:58:32,200 --> 05:58:33,920
You're absolutely right, Mayor Thorn.

1813
05:58:34,140 --> 05:58:40,180
You could consider passing your motion on 4.1 and 4.2 first would be my recommended course

1814
05:58:40,180 --> 05:58:40,620
of action.

1815
05:58:40,780 --> 05:58:44,440
So 4.1, 4.2, changing the 1.2 to 1.5.

1816
05:58:44,800 --> 05:58:49,160
Get agreement from your council that 1.5 is where you want to go and then you'll figure

1817
05:58:49,160 --> 05:58:53,060
out if you want it both public and private in 4.3 and 4.4.

1818
05:58:53,360 --> 05:58:53,780
Okay.

1819
05:58:53,780 --> 05:58:54,720
Does

1820
05:58:58,880 --> 05:59:00,940
that make sense what we're doing?

1821
05:59:01,460 --> 05:59:06,200
Okay, so we're back to that subsections 4.1 and 4.2.

1822
05:59:06,340 --> 05:59:10,340
We changed to read that the maximum size allowed

1823
05:59:10,340 --> 05:59:13,100
for election signage is 1.5 meters squared.

1824
05:59:13,420 --> 05:59:13,620
Correct.

1825
05:59:16,920 --> 05:59:17,320
Okay.

1826
05:59:19,140 --> 05:59:23,420
All right, everybody know what we're talking about now. But anybody like to speak

1827
05:59:23,420 --> 05:59:24,920
for or against this motion?

1828
05:59:27,590 --> 05:59:29,970
Seeing none, would you like to

1829
05:59:29,970 --> 05:59:34,710
close. Okay, so I will call that question all in favor.

1830
05:59:49,460 --> 05:59:53,460
I carries unanimously. Okay, that

1831
05:59:53,460 --> 05:59:59,380
will take us to the next motion that Councilor Spence has made in which the.

1832
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:10,180
Maximum size of signage be the same for commercial and private property of 1.2 or 1.5 meters squared.

1833
06:00:11,700 --> 06:00:15,800
And there is a difference in the height. Do you want to deal with that one?

1834
06:00:18,340 --> 06:00:23,980
The height, I will leave that up to administration. I'm not, height doesn't matter to me. Yeah,

1835
06:00:24,060 --> 06:00:29,640
whatever. It would, if you, if you want it remain within the 2.5 meters, then I guess

1836
06:00:29,640 --> 06:00:36,580
the footing would be smaller. So I'm not. Item 4.1 defines the height at 2.5. My

1837
06:00:36,580 --> 06:00:40,840
recommendation, if that's your maximum size, the 2.5 should be consistent if

1838
06:00:40,840 --> 06:00:45,640
that's what you're looking for. Okay. Perfect. Okay. Councilor Robinson, you've

1839
06:00:45,640 --> 06:00:49,640
spoken against this motion. Would anybody else like to speak to this motion?

1840
06:00:53,360 --> 06:00:55,400
Okay. Does everybody know what we're voting on?

1841
06:00:57,410 --> 06:00:59,350
Yes. Councilor Spenci, would

1842
06:00:59,350 --> 06:00:59,930
Would you like to close?

1843
06:01:00,930 --> 06:01:06,110
Okay, I will call that question all in favor of the amendment.

1844
06:01:12,260 --> 06:01:12,580
No?

1845
06:01:12,740 --> 06:01:13,680
I didn't read close enough.

1846
06:01:13,860 --> 06:01:16,400
Yeah, the maximum size for your electron signage

1847
06:01:16,400 --> 06:01:17,620
for both commercial and residential

1848
06:01:17,620 --> 06:01:20,880
would be the same at 1.5 meters squared,

1849
06:01:21,360 --> 06:01:24,880
and height be 2.5 meters.

1850
06:01:26,520 --> 06:01:27,280
That's OK.

1851
06:01:31,660 --> 06:01:35,460
So 1.5 meters squared, and that the height

1852
06:01:35,460 --> 06:01:39,500
be less than 2.5 meters. I'll

1853
06:01:45,580 --> 06:01:48,520
just read that back that the maximum size for

1854
06:01:48,520 --> 06:01:53,200
election signage for both commercial and residential be the same at 1.5

1855
06:01:53,200 --> 06:01:59,900
meters squared and the height be less than 2.5 meters. Yes no

1856
06:02:02,300 --> 06:02:02,680
it doesn't

1857
06:02:02,680 --> 06:02:09,820
need it just says it must be less than it's fine yeah okay calling that

1858
06:02:09,820 --> 06:02:11,380
A quick question. All in favor.

1859
06:02:28,640 --> 06:02:31,220
That is defeated 2-2-3.

1860
06:02:32,220 --> 06:02:41,080
I'll move an amendment that just Section 4.4 be amended to set the maximum election sign size as 1.5 meter squared.

1861
06:02:42,500 --> 06:02:44,120
Okay. Would you like to speak to that motion?

1862
06:02:44,920 --> 06:02:48,320
Well, I'll just wait. Patty, have you got that?

1863
06:02:51,080 --> 06:02:56,760
So it's just an amendment to Section 4.4 the maximum sign size be 1.5 meter squared.

1864
06:02:56,760 --> 06:02:57,360
I'll

1865
06:03:08,180 --> 06:03:14,000
read that back. That's section 4.4 be amended so that the maximum election

1866
06:03:14,000 --> 06:03:17,520
signage size be 1.5 meters squared.

1867
06:03:20,400 --> 06:03:23,520
Okay. Just like speak to you. We'll just

1868
06:03:23,520 --> 06:03:27,600
just to clarify like the whole point was like we just rejected the last one so

1869
06:03:27,600 --> 06:03:31,840
the purpose of this amendment I think I've got it is that 4.3 for personal

1870
06:03:31,840 --> 06:03:34,980
property will remain in the max size is 0.6 meters squared and 2 meters in

1871
06:03:34,980 --> 06:03:38,400
height but on commercial properties you go up at the same maximum sizes and

1872
06:03:38,400 --> 06:03:41,780
and the corrals and stuff at 1.5 meters squared.

1873
06:03:42,360 --> 06:03:44,920
So you'll get those four by four sides

1874
06:03:44,920 --> 06:03:45,980
on the commercial properties,

1875
06:03:46,120 --> 06:03:46,880
but on the private properties

1876
06:03:46,880 --> 06:03:49,300
you're still limited to your 0.6 meters squared side.

1877
06:03:53,750 --> 06:03:54,670
Anybody else?

1878
06:04:01,960 --> 06:04:05,360
I'm seeing none on

1879
06:04:09,360 --> 06:04:09,620
there,

1880
06:04:12,840 --> 06:04:13,320
I know.

1881
06:04:20,250 --> 06:04:23,750
Okay, so this is only dealing with 4.4, correct?

1882
06:04:24,410 --> 06:04:27,350
Yeah, okay, so nothing to close,

1883
06:04:27,650 --> 06:04:29,410
nobody else had anything to close?

1884
06:04:30,490 --> 06:04:34,290
I will call that question all in favor and

1885
06:04:51,760 --> 06:04:53,960
that carries unanimously.

1886
06:04:55,540 --> 06:04:58,120
Any other amendments?

1887
06:04:59,500 --> 06:05:07,520
I would just to my colleagues that I'm the 0.6 meter square that we've got on personal property

1888
06:05:07,520 --> 06:05:10,860
or private property doesn't need the size requirements for a lawn sign.

1889
06:05:11,120 --> 06:05:12,460
Just it's too small.

1890
06:05:12,460 --> 06:05:23,120
So I think a lawn sign will be about 0.75, 0.6 is smaller than the standard lawn sign.

1891
06:05:23,620 --> 06:05:27,200
So just

1892
06:05:30,370 --> 06:05:38,750
to be clear, before we were saying the max size was 1.2 for a commercial,

1893
06:05:39,010 --> 06:05:44,670
so twice the size in private, private 0.6 twice to 1.2.

1894
06:05:44,670 --> 06:05:48,550
You've just declared the maximum now here is 1.5.

1895
06:05:49,190 --> 06:05:54,450
So is it logical then that half that size would then go on a residential, which is then

1896
06:05:54,450 --> 06:05:55,090
0.75?

1897
06:05:55,830 --> 06:05:59,770
I just tried to do the math here on a two-foot sign.

1898
06:05:59,950 --> 06:06:06,070
So that's basically what those are, and two feet is higher than 0.6.

1899
06:06:06,450 --> 06:06:12,490
So that's why I think you want to increase that two feet to be at least 0.7, 0.75

1900
06:06:12,490 --> 06:06:17,710
in order to get that sign to work but it's your call.

1901
06:06:22,800 --> 06:06:26,460
Councillor Spence. I would like to make another motion please.

1902
06:06:27,080 --> 06:06:35,180
Yep. That in item 4.3 the maximum election size is 0.75 m2.

1903
06:06:41,110 --> 06:06:45,770
Have you got that? Could you say that one more time please Councillor Spence.

1904
06:06:45,770 --> 06:06:53,230
that an item 4.3 that the maximum election sign size is 0.75 meters squared.

1905
06:07:01,790 --> 06:07:03,410
Have you got that, Mr. Chair?

1906
06:07:03,870 --> 06:07:04,330
Yeah.

1907
06:07:05,330 --> 06:07:06,710
Would you like to speak to you at Councilor Swanson?

1908
06:07:06,990 --> 06:07:07,230
Yes, please.

1909
06:07:07,390 --> 06:07:11,190
I'd like them to be bigger, but I'll take what I can get at 0.75 meters squared.

1910
06:07:11,450 --> 06:07:11,910
Thank you.

1911
06:07:13,690 --> 06:07:15,510
Would anybody else like to Councilor Lang?

1912
06:07:16,710 --> 06:07:20,230
What was the size of the signs in the guidelines?

1913
06:07:20,230 --> 06:07:30,490
lines. The chair, I just pulled it up, it's 0.6. So yeah, okay. Thank you. We were following

1914
06:07:30,490 --> 06:07:32,130
the guidelines to start with. Well,

1915
06:07:34,780 --> 06:07:40,480
and you know, anyways, I'll speak to this too. I guess

1916
06:07:40,480 --> 06:07:47,940
from my perspective of, and I'm raising my hand again, I will support this. There is,

1917
06:07:47,940 --> 06:07:54,680
So using some of us that have run before, I reuse my signs, so I'm already at the state

1918
06:07:54,680 --> 06:07:59,260
that there's probably 50% of my signs that don't comply with this bylaw and I will have

1919
06:07:59,260 --> 06:08:01,520
to reprint and throw them out.

1920
06:08:01,840 --> 06:08:05,480
So that is a challenge from my perspective.

1921
06:08:06,300 --> 06:08:16,040
So if we do not change this 2.75, that means every lawn sign that any of us are reusing

1922
06:08:16,040 --> 06:08:23,660
if we are planning to run again, which I haven't decided, I will have to be discarded.

1923
06:08:24,180 --> 06:08:27,600
So even those that have run in the past can rework a sign.

1924
06:08:28,020 --> 06:08:34,560
So I think that what we are traditionally printing as the standard for that, I'm not

1925
06:08:34,560 --> 06:08:37,140
sure that these all comply with that.

1926
06:08:37,260 --> 06:08:40,820
So I'm in support of moving it to 0.75 because I think that works.

1927
06:08:41,400 --> 06:08:43,780
I will be going home to measure signs tomorrow.

1928
06:08:44,360 --> 06:08:48,160
Anyways, so I encourage my colleagues to support that.

1929
06:08:49,640 --> 06:08:50,420
Anybody else?

1930
06:08:51,820 --> 06:08:52,420
Councillor Robinson.

1931
06:08:52,940 --> 06:08:56,640
I have to say that there are some of us that were actually able to read the administrative guideline

1932
06:08:56,640 --> 06:09:01,580
and some of us did print signs that were ever so slightly smaller so they fit within 0.6 meters squared

1933
06:09:01,580 --> 06:09:06,440
and that is a size that is perfectly available from the regular pretty shops around here

1934
06:09:06,440 --> 06:09:08,600
if you ask and care to comply with the rules.

1935
06:09:09,160 --> 06:09:15,580
So, if you did not comply last time, I'm sorry, but some of us actually did and had slightly

1936
06:09:15,580 --> 06:09:19,900
smaller signs that fit within that, and they were perfectly available at a slightly discounted

1937
06:09:19,900 --> 06:09:20,080
cost.

1938
06:09:20,240 --> 06:09:22,360
And I also saved mine just in case.

1939
06:09:27,040 --> 06:09:28,140
Okay, anybody else?

1940
06:09:31,970 --> 06:09:32,130
Okay.

1941
06:09:32,690 --> 06:09:34,830
Calling that your Councillor Swansea would you like to close?

1942
06:09:35,850 --> 06:09:35,990
Sure.

1943
06:09:36,150 --> 06:09:41,710
And I would like to say too, I even find for folks that are going to be new, that

1944
06:09:41,710 --> 06:09:42,510
are going to be running.

1945
06:09:44,970 --> 06:09:51,050
I do think that it does a, what's the word I'm looking for, with personal and private

1946
06:09:51,050 --> 06:09:55,170
property, at least for me when I was running new, I did not, I guess it's the circles that

1947
06:09:55,170 --> 06:09:59,830
you run in, I did not have, I don't think one sign on commercial property. I'm just

1948
06:09:59,830 --> 06:10:03,910
trying to think all of my signs were on private property because that was the circle

1949
06:10:03,910 --> 06:10:08,590
that I ran in and so I think it does a disservice for even new folks if we can't

1950
06:10:08,590 --> 06:10:13,290
make those signs bigger on private property because they might not get the exposure that

1951
06:10:13,290 --> 06:10:21,990
those commercial lots did with putting the giant signs are. So again, I'd like them bigger,

1952
06:10:22,070 --> 06:10:27,170
but I'm happy with 0.75 to help both that are incumbents, but also those new folks

1953
06:10:27,170 --> 06:10:30,450
that will not get any big signs on those commercial properties.

1954
06:10:32,090 --> 06:10:35,850
Okay, with that I'll call the question all in favor and

1955
06:10:45,100 --> 06:10:46,440
that carries four to one.

1956
06:10:48,300 --> 06:10:53,400
Alright, any other amendments to the election signed by-law?

1957
06:10:57,840 --> 06:11:02,100
Okay, so then we need to vote on the amendment.

1958
06:11:02,820 --> 06:11:04,280
No, no, it's all been amended.

1959
06:11:04,580 --> 06:11:10,840
Yeah, we have to vote on the election signage by-law, second reading as amended.

1960
06:11:10,840 --> 06:11:15,700
Yeah, I will move the bylaw 12-24 be read a third time as amended and passed

1961
06:11:16,580 --> 06:11:22,260
No, we still we need it. No, we need a third time as amended. Yeah, but we haven't voted on the second time yet

1962
06:11:22,260 --> 06:11:25,860
We haven't voted on the second piece. So we're now voting on

1963
06:11:27,240 --> 06:11:28,040
the second

1964
06:11:30,400 --> 06:11:33,280
Passing the bylaw on the second meeting as amended

1965
06:11:33,980 --> 06:11:34,380
correct

1966
06:11:35,600 --> 06:11:39,240
Okay, Councillor Swentsey, would you like to speak to that because you moved it originally

1967
06:11:48,780 --> 06:11:57,620
I would like to support this second reading as amended. I appreciate administration creating

1968
06:11:57,620 --> 06:12:04,140
a bylaw to provide that clarity for future elections. We've had a good debate on that.

1969
06:12:04,220 --> 06:12:09,100
We put a lot of perspectives into it, so hopefully this new bylaw will allow the next round of

1970
06:12:09,100 --> 06:12:14,060
candidates to be able to put up their signs in an effective manner that will suit the

1971
06:12:14,060 --> 06:12:15,460
residents and the candidates.

1972
06:12:17,980 --> 06:12:19,440
Anybody else would like to speak to this?

1973
06:12:21,060 --> 06:12:22,080
Would you like to close?

1974
06:12:22,980 --> 06:12:24,660
Okay, calling that question, all in favor.

1975
06:12:34,060 --> 06:12:38,080
And that it was moved by Councilor Swensi,

1976
06:12:38,180 --> 06:12:38,980
not Councilor Robinson.

1977
06:12:40,160 --> 06:12:41,740
I think we're going to go to Councilor Robinson.

1978
06:12:48,020 --> 06:12:50,380
No, Councilor Swensi, because remember I asked,

1979
06:12:50,700 --> 06:12:52,040
because I knew she was going to make amendments.

1980
06:12:52,620 --> 06:12:54,460
Councilor Swensi moved to the first.

1981
06:12:55,260 --> 06:12:56,280
That's true, yes.

1982
06:12:57,480 --> 06:13:00,860
So it just moved her,

1983
06:13:08,290 --> 06:13:10,390
it was just 40 minutes ago.

1984
06:13:20,410 --> 06:13:22,170
And that carries unanimously.

1985
06:13:23,070 --> 06:13:25,590
Councillor Robinson, would you like to make a motion?

1986
06:13:25,590 --> 06:13:29,930
I would like to move that Bylaw 11-24 be read a third time.

1987
06:13:30,790 --> 06:13:32,430
I think I can just say it's a third time in the past.

1988
06:13:32,850 --> 06:13:35,050
Would you like to speak to your motion?

1989
06:13:35,970 --> 06:13:41,630
Well, I'll just reiterate briefly that I think this is an improved approach that we had over

1990
06:13:41,630 --> 06:13:42,490
a bylaw signage.

1991
06:13:42,590 --> 06:13:48,350
I'm hopeful that it will bring a little bit more – I mean, honestly, if you drove around

1992
06:13:48,350 --> 06:13:52,010
Calgary during the last municipal election, let me tell you, there is – you can definitely

1993
06:13:52,010 --> 06:13:56,970
tell the difference between some regulation and zero regulation, and so I much prefer

1994
06:13:56,970 --> 06:13:58,130
our approach during the election.

1995
06:13:58,270 --> 06:14:05,030
I think it is definitely more civil, and I think this will just hopefully get everybody

1996
06:14:05,030 --> 06:14:08,230
everybody on the same page will be able to communicate to candidates the sort of appropriate

1997
06:14:08,230 --> 06:14:10,570
signage soon. Encourage support.

1998
06:14:11,530 --> 06:14:18,910
Does anybody else like to speak to this? Anything to close? Calling that question then. All in

1999
06:14:18,910 --> 06:14:19,170
favor.

2000
06:14:25,490 --> 06:14:30,930
And that carries unanimously. Which moves us to a adjournment. Councillor Lang.

2001
06:14:32,210 --> 06:14:38,130
That would be a motion to adjourn at 8.17 p.m. I will call that question all in favor.

2002
06:14:39,250 --> 06:14:43,390
I don't know where we vote on this one. Oh, it's gonna come up on the screen, and

2003
06:14:51,040 --> 06:14:54,440
that carries unanimously. Thank you.

2004
06:14:56,500 --> 06:14:57,780
Good times are ahead by all.