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>> common council, the,

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september 20

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call for

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the

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invocation. Pastor carlson roski.

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doesn't match

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my script. Give us the invocation

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if you would, please.

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>> let

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us pray. Dear lord, thank you for

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this meeting

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and all who are

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gathered here. We thank you for the

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opportunity to serve

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the people of our community. We humbly

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seek your guidance and wisdom. May

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our hearts

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be opened and our minds clear. We

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pray that

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our discussions are respectful and

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kind and

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that

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we value one another's contributions.

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unite us as

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one body, working together to

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make our community a better place

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for all. Remind us that

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we are stewards of your

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authority and we pray

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that your blessings, grace, and peace

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be upon us in

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your name, amen.

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>> amen.

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of

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the united states of america,

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation,

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under god,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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megan, will you give us the roll call

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please?

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>> let the record reflect

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that

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all councilmembers are present. [

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okay.

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thank you. Item a, call to

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the public. I'm not going to read the

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whole epistle. I'm sure everyone

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is familiar. Call to the public will

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be matters that pertain to the business

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payson. We cannot respond to questions.

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cannot answer questions. You'll have

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three minutes to

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speak

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and if you have not submitted a

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speaker request form, at the end I'll

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ask you to raise your hand if

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you have comments and we will dispense

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with any further

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commotion and start

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with call to the public. At the

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end, zoom meeting, anyone on

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zoom will also be asked

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to respond to the call

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to the public if they care to do so.

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so first one

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on the list is

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linda england.

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to go first and [ inaudible ] second.

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have an extra?

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>> I do, actually. >> nevermind, thank

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you. You have an extra,

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somebody? Okay.

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>> sorry. >> please. >> good evening

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mayor, city

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council members, city manager and

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fellow residents. It is is pointing

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that we must come

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you again. On december 23rd --this

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is a reminder --2024,

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the owner built a six-foot post on

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his seven foot

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high fence, looked directly at

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us and said

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merry christmas. I'm going to take

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away the rest

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of your view. On

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april 16th code enforcement notice

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ce 24 0146 required removal of

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both the welded extensions of the

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master shape plot which hangs

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nearly 6 feet wide,

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14 feet high and 60 feet long

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hanging vertically. While the extension

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removed remains , later without

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our knowledge or inputs, after the

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neighbor brought in his attorney,

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the town attorney

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reclassified this violation

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as ambiguous mere dispute. That one-sided

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decision is

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only empowered the neighbor to escalate

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further. He has now hung

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a second metal from tree to tree,

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sprayed paint sprayed with spray paint

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private property

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in 18 inch letters on these tarps

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and raised the signs and the signs

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that were there, raised them 15 feet

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high per dose five more signs were

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added to the front of our yard in

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a 10 foot span so now we've got seven

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in a 10 foot span. This

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not a shade [ inaudible ] it's harassment.

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we raised our fence to the legal

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height and blocked the worst of it

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but the damage is clear. He

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retaliated. He painted on the tarps,

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raised the

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signs up above our fence.

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we were on vacation. We returned home

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that night, we found all

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of these

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--we found all these

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--you see the pictures that I sent

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you. There's two emails plus one from

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a real estate person. We were on vacation.

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we returned home. We found all

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stuff done . We walked

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out on our back porch to see the new

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fence and extensions we had

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put in, $3800 later.

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we installed --the neighbor look at

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us, started laughing and turned up

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his music.

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photos we provided show that

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our property and the entire neighborhood

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were being devalued.

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we asked that this matter be revisited

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and treated as

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a clear code violation. Without enforcement

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our property remains

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worthless. Will our view is destroyed

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and the

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neighbors free to continue --the neighbor

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is free

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to escalating. So we come to you with

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help on this.

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once again, thank

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you.

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>> linda

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england?

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evening, mayor,

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city manager,

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city councilmembers, and community

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members. My name is linda england.

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I'm a fairly new

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resident of payson. My husband and

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I purchased our home in

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may 2024 and for more than a year

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escalating intolerable situation with

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neighboring property owner, despite

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repeated efforts

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seek help from city offices, police

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and his council, the problem remains unsolved

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we are asking the city to enforce

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the codes

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and protect us as residents

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and taxpayers . The neighbor, you've already

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heard, has installed shade with numerous

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signs and you

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already here it's six foot by 60 feet

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long and 14

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feet high. It is a disgrace. It looks

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like a

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trashbin in our yard. And they have

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stickers at the top

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that says do not

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california, arizona

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all around our property line. It's become

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a wall of hostility.

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this is not a normal use of a shade

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cloth or any signage. This is the

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problem

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here for us. It gets worse. A local

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realtor, respected local realtor has

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inspected

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our

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property and provided a letter which

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did email your board and the mayor,

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stating that due to this situation,

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she would not be able to even show our

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home. This means our entire retirement

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investment

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we put all our money in it, is worthless,

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so it

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gets worse. This matter cannot be

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dismissed as a neighbor dispute,

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which the attorney now has said it's

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just a neighbor dispute. We've experienced

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harassment, surveillance,

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and even a rock this size thrown at

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us at the back porch.

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sorry, these are threatening and unsafe

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act. We filed

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police reports

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intended for council

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meetings and contacted code compliance

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office multiple times. Instead of

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investigating or viewing the

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property firsthand from our side,

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the city reclassified this matter

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as a simple

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neighbor dispute, asking us to negotiate

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with someone that's

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repeatedly harassed us is unreasonable

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and quite dangerous. We respectfully

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request that the

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city, one, reclassify this matter

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as a code violation, rather than a

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neighbor dispute , two,

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enforce the city's existing ordinances.

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there is something I wrote about,

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131.03, disruptive property, and

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dispatch a code compliance officer,

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number three, to directly inspect

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the property

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and document the violations. Number four,

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coordinate with law enforcement

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regarding the ongoing harassment and

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safety concerns . We are law-abiding

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senior citizens who contribute to

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this community. We should

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not be left without protection while

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our property,

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safety, peace of mind

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are destroyed. If the city fails to

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act,

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we have no choice but to seek remedies

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beyond this jurisdiction. Thank you so

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much

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for your time and attention. We are

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prepared to provide you

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more photographs or the realtor's

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letter and any other documentation

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that

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require. Thank you so much.

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thank you.

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that property and it is ridiculous what's

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there. I think it's beyond a neighborly

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dispute, something we need to look

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can't respond, council, if you want

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us to look into it --

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telling you [ inaudible ] I want this

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looked into seriously.

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to remind you, so we have been working

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and I will provide you with an

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up date shortly.

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>> thank

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you.

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>> [ inaudible

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] comments?

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>> my name is paul from all. I've

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been in payson for almost

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12 years now. Mr. Mayor, town manager

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and counselors,

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I want to thank you for doing something

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right

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this time . Allowing the citizens

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of payson an opportunity to vote yes

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or

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no on the upcoming bond in november,

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to increase our property

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taxes for the aquatic center. This year

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you

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did it right. Last year

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they tried to shove a

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$70 million bond down our throats

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with the emergency

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declarations. I personally believe

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that refurbishing gator pool

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is a other option than anything I've

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seen

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so far, that

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they projected for malibu. I believe

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their cost estimates are

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very low . I think

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they're probably low on both of them

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but I believe taylor poole is the

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best choice. It's closer to the schools,

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kids can walk from the schools after

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school

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to practice

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, their swimming, it's just a better

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fit for the town. If

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you have to do something with the

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property that was purchased last year

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for another project that is now

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defunct, me

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maybe

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so it. Use it for some of the housing

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that we are all looking for. At

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least this $60 million bond has given

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us a choice to vote where

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last year the $70 million bond we

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did not have a choice so that, I want

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to thank you all for doing it the

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correct way and

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not like last year.

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thank you.

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>>

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eric walberg.

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>> afternoon.

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I'm here to

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speak about and give you some rhetorical

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questions on this structure hardening

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code. I'm an ex-contractor

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that moved here to payson from california,

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so you know that I know a

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lot about fires, fire wising and the

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lack thereof. This whole thing

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kind of smacks of things that happened

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in cities and

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municipalities in california, where

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I

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came from. Typically

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northern

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california. --[ inaudible ]

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>> can

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you raise your mike just a

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little?

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>> person being tall, is that

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what

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it is? I guess the only thing that

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I have an issue with on

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this thing that interests me, and believe

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me, I believe that fire safety

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is an enormous thing. Charlie, you

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know that.

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you've spoken to my wife numerous

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times

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about it, don't run from her whenever you

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see her at the gym,

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but I guess my thing is, from what

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I understand, I only heard about this

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yesterday and I'm kind of

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wondering why this wasn't put out

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more sternly to the public to let

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us have some sort of

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a time period to study what is

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happening

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here. This could be an exceptionally

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expensive thing for people in

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this town who want to remodel

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their homes, who are looking to build

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a new home. I mean, when

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we built our house here, six years

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ago, we got hit with

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somebody big

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pretty big surprises that no one knew

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were coming. One of

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them was a 3% increase in sales tax.

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that cost us $12,000 and people just

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shrugged their

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shoulders. Well, it's too bad. It

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was too

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bad because you know there wasn't

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$12,000 in

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the budget so

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it hurt. It hurt a lot and is still

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hurting

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because our mortgage is $12,000 higher

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than it should be. Which is a lot

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of money

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per month for somebody that's on a

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fixed income, which by the

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way, we are. So what I'm asking is

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your indulgence to hold off

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on any kind of a vote on this.

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I'm not saying it's right or it's

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wrong. I'm saying give us some time

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to

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look at this thing and digest it before

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there's any kind of an

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absolute vote on this

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process. Because for myself and

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my wife, the thought isn't working.

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so for myself and

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my wife, we -- when we moved here

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we were given an awful lot of pie

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in the sky dreams

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that, from a city manager,

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that none of it came true. So we

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are here

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virtually under erroneous circumstances.

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so

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I sure would like to have a little

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bit of time

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to read this whole thing and see where

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it's

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coming from, and how much it's going

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to hurt our contractors in town, and

431
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how

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much it's going to hurt the general

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public and raise the price of housing

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in this town?

435
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>> thank you, you're

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out of time.

437
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>> thanks. >>

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jonathan jackson?

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>> I'm jonathan jackson. I've lived

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here for

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8 years , worked in the construction

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business the whole time.

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I'm actually following eric's up on

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the same bill, the

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hardening

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code requirements. In the 10 years

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that

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I've been in framing and building

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homes,

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we have significantly improved the

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fire

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safety in

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that so as he had mentioned, we had

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only

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just gotten this

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so I haven't been able to look over the

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whole thing, but it does

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seem like it's going to drastically

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change and increase

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the cost

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for remodels and for

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new homes. So that

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was my short three minutes.

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>>

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thank you.

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>> thank

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you.

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>> dena

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will caught.

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>> is he

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on zoom?

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if not

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, because supposedly there's

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a request with my name on it, but it

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was on behalf of gino,

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if he wasn't on zoom. So if he's not

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on zoom I can read those

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comments.

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>> okay. >> all

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right.

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>> reading for gino? >> yeah,

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these

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are gino's words, not mine. He just

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asked if I would share this

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information. On your marks, get

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set, go to I'm okay to

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speak from here? I don't have to go

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down

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here? Yeah, there we go. All right.

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I'm writing --

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so this is gino will conley, he's

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a contractor in town for gun rights

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and as a long-term resident and a

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professional in the building industry

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for over

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30 years.

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I care deeply about the

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safety and future of our community.

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I believe this code would cause more

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harm than good.

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here are my concerns. Added costs.

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the new requirements will drive up

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the price of construction

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and remodeling, making housing less

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affordable for families in our town.

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no insurance relief.

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these measures won't fix the insurance

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crisis. Homeowners will still face

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the same problem finding

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and keeping coverage. Department funding

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versus community benefit. Many of

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us worried this push is more

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about improving fire department ratings

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to capture extra state and federal

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dollars than actually

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helping residents. Existing fire wise

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rules are enough. If payson enforced

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the fire wise policies already

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in place, we could reduce risk across

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the board

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without adding costs -- costly

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new codes. Enforcement of fire

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wise and being sure that no

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one has combustibles within the prescribed

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distances of their home

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would help everyone in the community,

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not

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just the homes that will

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apply for permits going forward. Equity

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concerns. The fire department

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is taking equity from new

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homes by

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trying to implement the structure

534
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hardening code.

535
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this code shifts the burden onto new

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homeowners, stripping equity from

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homeowners while only benefiting

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the fire department. It will discourage

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improvements and make it harder for

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families

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to upgrade their homes, since many

542
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cannot afford the

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added cost the new checklist would

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require.

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uneven protection. This only applies

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to new builds and remodels

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going forward , not existing structures.

548
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it could take 50 to 100 years

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before the community as a whole sees

550
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any real benefit,

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while the vast majority of the existing

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homes will never meet the new code

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criteria or be able to be brought

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up

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to code, to the new code criteria.

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lack

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of

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local input. Based on the fact

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that this proposal is being pushed

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onto the community without widespread

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awareness, I

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feel compelled to speak up. Nearly

563
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every homeowner I've spoken with has

564
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no idea that

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this new code is coming to

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a vote, nor that their homes could

567
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soon be subject

568
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to these

569
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new rules and the potential problems

570
00:20:45,812 --> 00:20:46,813
they bring. What's especially concerning

571
00:20:46,813 --> 00:20:48,813
is that

572
00:20:48,815 --> 00:20:49,816
there has been no balanced discussion

573
00:20:49,816 --> 00:20:51,818
and open dialogue about

574
00:20:51,818 --> 00:20:52,819
both the benefits and the drawbacks.

575
00:20:52,819 --> 00:20:54,819
from

576
00:20:55,822 --> 00:20:57,822
where I stand,

577
00:20:57,824 --> 00:20:58,825
the only clear beneficiary appears

578
00:20:58,825 --> 00:20:59,826
to be the fire department,

579
00:20:59,826 --> 00:21:01,828
not the community as a whole. The

580
00:21:01,828 --> 00:21:04,228
lack of local input

581
00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:07,831
stems from a lack of

582
00:21:07,835 --> 00:21:08,836
understanding resident's simply do

583
00:21:08,836 --> 00:21:10,838
not realize the full ramifications this

584
00:21:10,838 --> 00:21:13,841
code could have on them as

585
00:21:13,841 --> 00:21:15,841
homeowners. I'll

586
00:21:16,844 --> 00:21:18,844
and there.

587
00:21:19,813 --> 00:21:21,813
>> don't applaud

588
00:21:21,815 --> 00:21:22,816
me. Applauded gino.

589
00:21:22,816 --> 00:21:23,817
>> listen to mike.

590
00:21:23,817 --> 00:21:25,817
>>

591
00:21:28,822 --> 00:21:30,822
stacy frederick?

592
00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:41,630
>> I want to make sure I'm able to

593
00:21:43,837 --> 00:21:44,838
be heard. Thank you for

594
00:21:44,838 --> 00:21:46,840
reading that letter from gino. He

595
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:47,841
is also my boss and he is

596
00:21:47,841 --> 00:21:48,842
the only reason that I'm even aware

597
00:21:48,842 --> 00:21:49,843
that this code hardening has been

598
00:21:49,843 --> 00:21:51,843
going on. Every

599
00:21:52,813 --> 00:21:54,813
other homeowner that

600
00:21:55,816 --> 00:21:56,817
I've talked to

601
00:21:56,817 --> 00:21:58,819
is not aware of this. This is something

602
00:21:58,819 --> 00:21:59,820
that I think needs to be brought

603
00:21:59,820 --> 00:22:01,822
to the attention of the public and

604
00:22:01,822 --> 00:22:02,823
the whole, like eric said, put some

605
00:22:02,823 --> 00:22:04,825
time, take some time, not vote on

606
00:22:04,825 --> 00:22:05,826
this today so that we can take the

607
00:22:05,826 --> 00:22:06,827
time

608
00:22:06,827 --> 00:22:07,828
to make sure everyone is aware of

609
00:22:07,828 --> 00:22:08,829
what is going on. I'd also like

610
00:22:08,829 --> 00:22:10,831
to read the end of gino's letter.

611
00:22:10,831 --> 00:22:13,831
in short, this ordinance is

612
00:22:13,834 --> 00:22:14,835
the wrong approach. We should strengthen

613
00:22:14,835 --> 00:22:16,835
and

614
00:22:16,837 --> 00:22:19,237
enforce the policies we

615
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,841
already have so that all

616
00:22:20,841 --> 00:22:22,843
homes old and new are better protected.

617
00:22:22,843 --> 00:22:23,844
that would give us the real results

618
00:22:23,844 --> 00:22:25,812
now,

619
00:22:25,812 --> 00:22:27,812
not generations

620
00:22:27,814 --> 00:22:28,815
from now. I earnestly urge you to

621
00:22:28,815 --> 00:22:29,816
oppose this ordinance and instead

622
00:22:29,816 --> 00:22:31,816
focus

623
00:22:31,818 --> 00:22:34,818
on solutions that are fair,

624
00:22:34,821 --> 00:22:35,822
effective, and rooted in what makes

625
00:22:35,822 --> 00:22:37,824
payson strong --common sense, community,

626
00:22:37,824 --> 00:22:38,825
and looking out for one another. Thank

627
00:22:38,825 --> 00:22:39,826
you this

628
00:22:39,826 --> 00:22:40,827
time. Again, that's the end of gino's

629
00:22:40,827 --> 00:22:43,827
letter but as a homeowner,

630
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:45,830
when I

631
00:22:45,832 --> 00:22:46,834
look at, if I was to improve my home

632
00:22:46,834 --> 00:22:47,835
and do a lot of

633
00:22:47,835 --> 00:22:48,836
remodeling, that this could cost hundreds

634
00:22:48,836 --> 00:22:49,837
of thousands of dollars more, based

635
00:22:49,837 --> 00:22:51,837
on the

636
00:22:51,839 --> 00:22:52,840
information that gino is providing

637
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,840
me with the roof and

638
00:22:55,843 --> 00:22:57,811
the siding and all these extra fire

639
00:22:57,811 --> 00:23:02,110
wising things and it would only affect

640
00:23:04,818 --> 00:23:05,819
the specific homes

641
00:23:05,819 --> 00:23:07,821
that are being permitted now. Picture

642
00:23:07,821 --> 00:23:08,822
just little dots all over the

643
00:23:08,822 --> 00:23:09,823
place within our community, that it's

644
00:23:09,823 --> 00:23:10,824
helping. If we push with the fire

645
00:23:10,824 --> 00:23:12,826
wise, the codes that we

646
00:23:12,826 --> 00:23:13,827
already have, and making sure that

647
00:23:13,827 --> 00:23:15,829
every property is fire wise in the

648
00:23:15,829 --> 00:23:16,830
way it should be would help our entire

649
00:23:16,830 --> 00:23:17,831
community across the board, not just

650
00:23:17,831 --> 00:23:19,831
these

651
00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:20,834
little pockets of homes. Thank you.

652
00:23:20,834 --> 00:23:22,834
>>

653
00:23:22,836 --> 00:23:24,836
thank

654
00:23:28,842 --> 00:23:29,843
you.

655
00:23:29,843 --> 00:23:31,843
>>

656
00:23:34,815 --> 00:23:36,815
lori parmenter.

657
00:23:43,824 --> 00:23:45,824
>> good evening, mr.

658
00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:50,831
mayor, council members and town staff,

659
00:23:50,831 --> 00:23:51,832
my

660
00:23:51,832 --> 00:23:52,833
name is lori parmenter. I've been

661
00:23:52,833 --> 00:23:54,835
a proud resident of payson

662
00:23:54,835 --> 00:23:55,836
for two years, so not very long. I

663
00:23:55,836 --> 00:23:57,838
also want to thank you for

664
00:23:57,838 --> 00:23:58,839
the opportunity to vote on the bond

665
00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:00,839
for the

666
00:24:00,841 --> 00:24:01,842
pool bond. It was the right choice

667
00:24:01,842 --> 00:24:03,844
to let the people

668
00:24:03,844 --> 00:24:04,811
choose, and tonight I want to urge

669
00:24:04,811 --> 00:24:06,811
everyone in our

670
00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:09,816
community to vote yes on it because

671
00:24:09,816 --> 00:24:10,817
the bond is not just about building

672
00:24:10,817 --> 00:24:13,820
a pool at the malibu site. It's

673
00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:14,821
about making a smart, future

674
00:24:14,821 --> 00:24:16,823
ready investment in our town's health,

675
00:24:16,823 --> 00:24:18,823
recreation, and

676
00:24:19,826 --> 00:24:21,828
infrastructure. A yes vote

677
00:24:21,828 --> 00:24:22,829
means we move forward with the funded,

678
00:24:22,829 --> 00:24:24,829
shovel

679
00:24:25,832 --> 00:24:28,836
ready plan. A no vote halts construction

680
00:24:28,836 --> 00:24:31,836
and leaves payson without a

681
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:32,840
public pool. Some residents are advocating

682
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,840
for a renovation

683
00:24:34,842 --> 00:24:36,842
of taylor

684
00:24:36,844 --> 00:24:37,811
pool instead but let's be clear, a no

685
00:24:37,811 --> 00:24:39,811
vote does not

686
00:24:43,817 --> 00:24:44,818
guarantee taylor pool will be rebuilt.

687
00:24:44,818 --> 00:24:45,819
in fact it

688
00:24:45,819 --> 00:24:46,820
makes the outcome far less likely.

689
00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:47,821
here's why. Funding. Taylor's renovation would

690
00:24:47,821 --> 00:24:49,821
rely

691
00:24:49,823 --> 00:24:52,823
on the general fund, not

692
00:24:52,826 --> 00:24:54,826
a bond

693
00:24:54,828 --> 00:24:55,829
. While some claim it would cost $5

694
00:24:55,829 --> 00:24:57,831
million, the council's own commission

695
00:24:57,831 --> 00:24:58,832
study estimated $11 million for an

696
00:24:58,832 --> 00:24:59,833
uncovered pool, well beyond what the general

697
00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:01,833
fund can

698
00:25:03,837 --> 00:25:05,839
support. Code compliance. A separate

699
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,839
$20,000 evaluation revealed

700
00:25:08,842 --> 00:25:10,842
additional

701
00:25:11,812 --> 00:25:12,813
costs to bring taylor up to

702
00:25:12,813 --> 00:25:14,815
2025 standards. These would be substantial

703
00:25:14,815 --> 00:25:16,815
and unavoidable. The

704
00:25:17,818 --> 00:25:20,821
cover cost. If a cover is

705
00:25:20,821 --> 00:25:21,822
added

706
00:25:21,822 --> 00:25:23,824
later, taylor's would cost $200,000

707
00:25:23,824 --> 00:25:26,224
more than malibu's. A

708
00:25:26,827 --> 00:25:27,828
covered taylor pool would

709
00:25:27,828 --> 00:25:29,830
be a total of about $14.2 million

710
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:32,830
and still require a bond.

711
00:25:32,833 --> 00:25:35,833
the timeline. Malibu is ready

712
00:25:35,836 --> 00:25:37,836
to go

713
00:25:37,838 --> 00:25:39,840
. If the bond fails, taylor's process

714
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,841
must start from scratch, likely triggering

715
00:25:40,841 --> 00:25:41,842
another bond election and years of

716
00:25:41,842 --> 00:25:43,842
delays. Future

717
00:25:44,811 --> 00:25:47,811
growth. Malibu offers space for

718
00:25:49,816 --> 00:25:50,817
future athletic center, basketball

719
00:25:50,817 --> 00:25:51,818
courts, multi-sports

720
00:25:51,818 --> 00:25:53,820
facilities and attic parking. Taylor

721
00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:55,820
does not.

722
00:25:56,823 --> 00:25:58,825
in fact, taylor's parking

723
00:25:58,825 --> 00:25:59,826
limitations may require satellite lots just

724
00:25:59,826 --> 00:26:01,826
to

725
00:26:05,832 --> 00:26:07,832
meet code

726
00:26:07,835 --> 00:26:08,836
. In short, taylor is not a viable

727
00:26:08,836 --> 00:26:09,837
alternative. It's a costly, complicated

728
00:26:09,837 --> 00:26:10,838
path with no clear funding and no

729
00:26:10,838 --> 00:26:11,839
guarantee of success. Voting no doesn't

730
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:13,839
bring back

731
00:26:14,842 --> 00:26:16,842
taylor pool.

732
00:26:16,844 --> 00:26:17,811
voting no means payson has no pool.

733
00:26:17,811 --> 00:26:19,811
I hope that

734
00:26:20,814 --> 00:26:21,815
we choose progress. Let's choose a

735
00:26:21,815 --> 00:26:24,815
facility that serves our families,

736
00:26:24,818 --> 00:26:26,820
our seniors, our athletes, and our

737
00:26:26,820 --> 00:26:27,821
future. Thank you.

738
00:26:27,821 --> 00:26:29,821
>>

739
00:26:29,823 --> 00:26:31,823
thank you.

740
00:26:32,826 --> 00:26:34,826
>> michael

741
00:26:38,832 --> 00:26:40,832
r fox.

742
00:26:41,835 --> 00:26:42,836
>> mr.

743
00:26:42,836 --> 00:26:43,837
mayor and council members, thank you

744
00:26:43,837 --> 00:26:44,838
for letting me talk. I feel almost

745
00:26:44,838 --> 00:26:47,238
embarrassed to bring my

746
00:26:47,841 --> 00:26:50,241
issues up after this

747
00:26:50,811 --> 00:26:51,812
first two

748
00:26:51,812 --> 00:26:53,814
people that came up here. Oh my gosh.

749
00:26:53,814 --> 00:26:56,817
my heart just bleeds for them. I'm

750
00:26:56,817 --> 00:26:58,817
a citizen

751
00:26:58,819 --> 00:26:59,820
of payson. I pay property taxes and

752
00:26:59,820 --> 00:27:01,820
I'm a proponent

753
00:27:02,823 --> 00:27:05,823
of a new pool. First

754
00:27:05,826 --> 00:27:07,828
of all it will make the town of

755
00:27:07,828 --> 00:27:08,829
payson a much better place to live.

756
00:27:08,829 --> 00:27:11,229
it will raise our

757
00:27:14,835 --> 00:27:15,836
property values

758
00:27:15,836 --> 00:27:17,838
. Big, beautiful pool like chino valley,

759
00:27:17,838 --> 00:27:19,840
when I lived there, they had

760
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,841
a new pool. Wow, it makes the whole

761
00:27:20,841 --> 00:27:21,842
town go to chino

762
00:27:21,842 --> 00:27:23,844
valley and again it will put us on

763
00:27:23,844 --> 00:27:24,811
the map. For $75

764
00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:26,813
a year for the next 20 years, for

765
00:27:26,813 --> 00:27:29,213
something like that I

766
00:27:29,816 --> 00:27:32,216
don't think is much

767
00:27:32,819 --> 00:27:34,819
to pay.

768
00:27:35,822 --> 00:27:39,422
the only other thing I had

769
00:27:41,828 --> 00:27:43,828
is I parked

770
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:46,834
my chair most nights down at green valley

771
00:27:46,834 --> 00:27:47,835
park and we are still waiting all

772
00:27:47,835 --> 00:27:49,835
summer and

773
00:27:50,838 --> 00:27:53,238
all fall for the

774
00:27:53,841 --> 00:27:55,841
police department

775
00:27:56,844 --> 00:27:57,811
to get their act

776
00:27:57,811 --> 00:27:59,813
together, to send some patrolmen down

777
00:27:59,813 --> 00:28:00,814
there to patrol it. I'm not asking

778
00:28:00,814 --> 00:28:01,815
they arrest

779
00:28:01,815 --> 00:28:02,816
everybody there. Just come down and

780
00:28:02,816 --> 00:28:03,817
drive-through once in a while. That's

781
00:28:03,817 --> 00:28:05,817
all I'm

782
00:28:05,819 --> 00:28:07,819
asking.

783
00:28:08,822 --> 00:28:10,822
thank you.

784
00:28:11,825 --> 00:28:13,825
>> mr.

785
00:28:14,828 --> 00:28:15,829
town manager, can we

786
00:28:15,829 --> 00:28:17,831
had some extra patrols? I know that we've

787
00:28:17,831 --> 00:28:19,831
done that. Can

788
00:28:22,836 --> 00:28:23,837
we ask to look into it?

789
00:28:23,837 --> 00:28:24,838
>> yeah. >>

790
00:28:24,838 --> 00:28:26,840
thank you. Sorry. My bad

791
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:27,841
choice of words.

792
00:28:27,841 --> 00:28:29,841
>>

793
00:28:29,843 --> 00:28:31,843
tom benning.

794
00:28:35,816 --> 00:28:36,817
>> hi, I'm tom

795
00:28:36,817 --> 00:28:40,417
dunning. I'm a 21 year resident of

796
00:28:41,822 --> 00:28:44,825
payson and a couple of weeks

797
00:28:44,825 --> 00:28:47,828
ago I took a shower and

798
00:28:47,828 --> 00:28:49,828
got dressed

799
00:28:53,834 --> 00:28:55,836
nicely, and came over here for a

800
00:28:55,836 --> 00:28:56,837
town council meeting. And the kind folks

801
00:28:56,837 --> 00:28:58,839
in the office told me there's no

802
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,439
town council meeting. Well two weeks

803
00:29:02,843 --> 00:29:05,812
before that I did the same and

804
00:29:05,812 --> 00:29:08,812
came over, and the kind

805
00:29:08,815 --> 00:29:11,815
folks at the office told

806
00:29:11,818 --> 00:29:13,818
me there's

807
00:29:14,821 --> 00:29:15,822
no town council meeting. I noticed

808
00:29:15,822 --> 00:29:16,823
that

809
00:29:16,823 --> 00:29:17,824
there is an item on the agenda today

810
00:29:17,824 --> 00:29:19,824
that is

811
00:29:19,826 --> 00:29:20,827
all about whether the town council

812
00:29:20,827 --> 00:29:22,827
should or should

813
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:25,830
not

814
00:29:25,832 --> 00:29:30,320
meet with --if there's no items on

815
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,841
the agenda. Well all I can do is tell

816
00:29:33,841 --> 00:29:35,841
you that

817
00:29:35,843 --> 00:29:38,243
it's important to me

818
00:29:38,812 --> 00:29:41,812
to come here and see

819
00:29:41,815 --> 00:29:44,818
the officials of our town doing

820
00:29:44,818 --> 00:29:47,821
their jobs and acting on measures

821
00:29:47,821 --> 00:29:49,821
that need to

822
00:29:50,824 --> 00:29:53,824
be discussed and evaluated, and

823
00:29:55,829 --> 00:29:56,830
voted on, and if you want my opinion

824
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:58,830
about all

825
00:29:59,833 --> 00:30:01,833
of

826
00:30:01,835 --> 00:30:02,836
this, and I imagine a lot of other

827
00:30:02,836 --> 00:30:04,836
people in payson,

828
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,239
it is that town

829
00:30:08,842 --> 00:30:09,843
council should be meeting on a regular

830
00:30:09,843 --> 00:30:11,812
basis

831
00:30:11,812 --> 00:30:13,812
to serve

832
00:30:14,815 --> 00:30:17,818
the people of payson. If there's

833
00:30:17,818 --> 00:30:20,821
not an item on the agenda, well

834
00:30:20,821 --> 00:30:22,823
then ask us what we

835
00:30:22,823 --> 00:30:23,824
would like to talk about. We are here

836
00:30:23,824 --> 00:30:26,824
and we'll tell you. So

837
00:30:26,827 --> 00:30:29,830
I urge you to consider that if

838
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:30,831
you don't have an agenda item, you

839
00:30:30,831 --> 00:30:32,831
should still

840
00:30:32,833 --> 00:30:35,836
be here for the public to let

841
00:30:35,836 --> 00:30:38,836
you know what they are

842
00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:40,839
interested in

843
00:30:41,842 --> 00:30:42,843
having happen in payson. Thank you.

844
00:30:42,843 --> 00:30:44,843
>>

845
00:30:47,814 --> 00:30:48,815
thank you.

846
00:30:48,815 --> 00:30:50,815
>>

847
00:30:50,817 --> 00:30:52,817
calvin

848
00:30:53,820 --> 00:30:55,820
h smedley.

849
00:31:05,832 --> 00:31:07,832
>> good afternoon.

850
00:31:08,836 --> 00:31:11,836
I'm cal smedley, five year

851
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:13,839
resident

852
00:31:14,842 --> 00:31:17,811
of payson. Mr. Mayor, mr. Council,

853
00:31:17,811 --> 00:31:19,811
this is

854
00:31:20,814 --> 00:31:22,814
regarding

855
00:31:23,817 --> 00:31:26,817
the pool and the bond

856
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:29,220
that they wish to

857
00:31:29,823 --> 00:31:30,824
refurbish. 1954, during the army mccarthy

858
00:31:30,824 --> 00:31:32,824
hearings,

859
00:31:34,828 --> 00:31:35,829
a lawyer named joseph welsh stood

860
00:31:35,829 --> 00:31:39,429
up to senator joseph mccarthy, who

861
00:31:39,833 --> 00:31:41,833
had spent

862
00:31:42,836 --> 00:31:44,836
years destroying

863
00:31:44,838 --> 00:31:45,839
lives with smears and fear. I remember

864
00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:47,839
well on tv.

865
00:31:48,842 --> 00:31:49,843
welsh asked him, have you

866
00:31:49,843 --> 00:31:51,812
no sense of decency, sir? At long

867
00:31:51,812 --> 00:31:53,814
last, have you left no sense

868
00:31:53,814 --> 00:31:54,815
of decency? At that moment broke the

869
00:31:54,815 --> 00:31:56,815
spell

870
00:31:56,817 --> 00:31:57,818
of mccarthyism. The american people

871
00:31:57,818 --> 00:31:59,818
finally

872
00:32:00,821 --> 00:32:02,823
saw the damage done by

873
00:32:02,823 --> 00:32:03,824
reckless attacks, by leaders more

874
00:32:03,824 --> 00:32:05,826
concerned with pandering to

875
00:32:05,826 --> 00:32:08,829
their base than serving the common

876
00:32:08,829 --> 00:32:09,830
good in decency. The simple recognition

877
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:11,830
of

878
00:32:12,833 --> 00:32:15,833
truth and fairness and community

879
00:32:15,836 --> 00:32:17,836
responsibility became the

880
00:32:17,838 --> 00:32:18,839
turning point. Now here in our town

881
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:20,839
we are

882
00:32:21,842 --> 00:32:23,842
not facing

883
00:32:24,811 --> 00:32:25,812
a national witchhunt that

884
00:32:25,812 --> 00:32:27,814
we are facing a similar, meaner version

885
00:32:27,814 --> 00:32:29,816
of the same spirit. Three of our councilmembers

886
00:32:29,816 --> 00:32:32,819
are trying to defeat for a community

887
00:32:32,819 --> 00:32:33,820
swimming pool, not because it's bad

888
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:35,820
for

889
00:32:36,823 --> 00:32:38,825
the town, not because it's

890
00:32:38,825 --> 00:32:39,826
fiscally reckless, because they want

891
00:32:39,826 --> 00:32:41,828
to appease a narrow

892
00:32:41,828 --> 00:32:42,829
slice of ideological extremism, the

893
00:32:42,829 --> 00:32:44,829
local

894
00:32:45,832 --> 00:32:48,832
tea party. This pool is

895
00:32:48,836 --> 00:32:49,837
not a luxury. It's a community

896
00:32:49,837 --> 00:32:51,839
investment, an investment in our children

897
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:54,839
who need a safe place

898
00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:58,812
to learn to swim and our seniors

899
00:32:58,812 --> 00:32:59,813
who need a place for low-impact exercise,

900
00:32:59,813 --> 00:33:00,814
and in our families who deserve the

901
00:33:00,814 --> 00:33:02,814
shared

902
00:33:02,816 --> 00:33:03,817
space that promotes health, safety,

903
00:33:03,817 --> 00:33:04,818
and

904
00:33:04,818 --> 00:33:05,819
togetherness. It is a project that

905
00:33:05,819 --> 00:33:06,820
strengthens the very fabric of our

906
00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:07,821
community. So I

907
00:33:07,821 --> 00:33:09,823
ask those councilmembers directly,

908
00:33:09,823 --> 00:33:10,824
have you

909
00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:11,825
no decency, have you no respect for

910
00:33:11,825 --> 00:33:14,828
the broader community you were elected

911
00:33:14,828 --> 00:33:15,829
to serve, to sacrifice well-being

912
00:33:15,829 --> 00:33:17,829
of thousands

913
00:33:18,832 --> 00:33:20,834
so you can score points with

914
00:33:20,834 --> 00:33:24,838
a faction that is the very opposite

915
00:33:24,838 --> 00:33:25,839
of leadership. It is a political

916
00:33:25,839 --> 00:33:27,841
theater at the expense of public good.

917
00:33:27,841 --> 00:33:29,841
we must

918
00:33:30,844 --> 00:33:33,814
not let history repeat itself, even

919
00:33:33,814 --> 00:33:34,815
in small ways. Decency

920
00:33:34,815 --> 00:33:36,817
demands courage. Decency demands that

921
00:33:36,817 --> 00:33:38,819
we put aside fear mongering and

922
00:33:38,819 --> 00:33:39,820
do what is right for the people we

923
00:33:39,820 --> 00:33:42,220
represent. Decency demands that

924
00:33:44,825 --> 00:33:45,826
we invest in our future, for the sake

925
00:33:45,826 --> 00:33:47,826
of our

926
00:33:47,828 --> 00:33:48,829
children, for the health of our community,

927
00:33:48,829 --> 00:33:50,829
and for true

928
00:33:50,831 --> 00:33:51,832
public service, I urge every citizen

929
00:33:51,832 --> 00:33:53,832
here

930
00:33:57,838 --> 00:33:58,839
to remember

931
00:33:58,839 --> 00:33:59,840
welsh's words, to stand up and insist

932
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:00,841
that our council finds its decency

933
00:34:00,841 --> 00:34:03,844
by supporting the pool bond. Thank

934
00:34:03,844 --> 00:34:05,844
you.

935
00:34:30,838 --> 00:34:31,839
>> my name is jack eder. I've been

936
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:32,840
a

937
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:33,841
resident of payson since 1989. My

938
00:34:33,841 --> 00:34:36,241
dad was here in

939
00:34:39,813 --> 00:34:41,813
the early

940
00:34:41,815 --> 00:34:42,816
'80s. He had a place here. He has

941
00:34:42,816 --> 00:34:45,819
the same name as me. Started

942
00:34:45,819 --> 00:34:46,820
coming up here in the mid '50 so I've

943
00:34:46,820 --> 00:34:47,821
been

944
00:34:47,821 --> 00:34:48,822
here longer than most of you guys

945
00:34:48,822 --> 00:34:50,824
know, okay? At least

946
00:34:50,824 --> 00:34:51,825
60-plus years. I've seen this town

947
00:34:51,825 --> 00:34:53,825
go

948
00:34:54,828 --> 00:34:57,831
to lately. It's getting so much

949
00:34:57,831 --> 00:34:58,832
influx from the phoenix, from california,

950
00:34:58,832 --> 00:34:59,833
from

951
00:34:59,833 --> 00:35:00,834
other places, and they want to try

952
00:35:00,834 --> 00:35:03,837
to come in here and change the

953
00:35:03,837 --> 00:35:05,837
town.

954
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,840
I know

955
00:35:09,843 --> 00:35:12,813
we had to change and move and everything. We have

956
00:35:12,813 --> 00:35:14,813
to make this

957
00:35:15,816 --> 00:35:17,816
place better.

958
00:35:17,818 --> 00:35:18,819
if you've been here long enough you

959
00:35:18,819 --> 00:35:21,819
probably realize that we like

960
00:35:21,822 --> 00:35:23,824
it the way that it is, at least

961
00:35:23,824 --> 00:35:24,825
I do. I've just been seeing too many

962
00:35:24,825 --> 00:35:26,825
people come up

963
00:35:26,827 --> 00:35:27,828
and we're expanding to 60, keep people

964
00:35:27,828 --> 00:35:29,828
from dying

965
00:35:32,833 --> 00:35:33,834
over there by the preacher canyon

966
00:35:33,834 --> 00:35:36,834
in that area. I don't

967
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,841
understand it. We are dealing with

968
00:35:40,841 --> 00:35:42,841
the influx

969
00:35:42,843 --> 00:35:45,243
of california and phoenix.

970
00:35:45,812 --> 00:35:47,814
the park on mud springs is not even

971
00:35:47,814 --> 00:35:48,815
finished yet, is it? So why are we looking

972
00:35:48,815 --> 00:35:50,815
at

973
00:35:54,821 --> 00:35:56,823
a new? How are

974
00:35:56,823 --> 00:35:57,824
we going to get water to all the people

975
00:35:57,824 --> 00:35:59,826
that are coming in here? You

976
00:35:59,826 --> 00:36:00,827
know we have this cc cragin deal but

977
00:36:00,827 --> 00:36:02,827
still that

978
00:36:02,829 --> 00:36:03,830
ain't going to be enough. We've been

979
00:36:03,830 --> 00:36:05,832
in the drought for I don't know

980
00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:06,834
how long, 10 years or so, so I say

981
00:36:06,834 --> 00:36:08,834
let's fix what

982
00:36:09,837 --> 00:36:11,837
we have, you

983
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:12,840
know, and then go on from there. But

984
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,840
a lot of the people

985
00:36:15,843 --> 00:36:17,843
that haven't

986
00:36:17,845 --> 00:36:18,812
been here, some of them have been

987
00:36:18,812 --> 00:36:19,813
here two or three years or whatever,

988
00:36:19,813 --> 00:36:20,814
they

989
00:36:20,814 --> 00:36:21,815
don't know what goes on in this town

990
00:36:21,815 --> 00:36:23,817
like I do and like some

991
00:36:23,817 --> 00:36:24,818
of the people. I don't know if there's

992
00:36:24,818 --> 00:36:25,819
anybody here that's been here longer

993
00:36:25,819 --> 00:36:26,820
than me.

994
00:36:26,820 --> 00:36:27,821
I may kiss gino off because I don't

995
00:36:27,821 --> 00:36:30,821
care too much for the

996
00:36:30,824 --> 00:36:33,224
extra construction but that's

997
00:36:33,827 --> 00:36:35,829
his job, you know? I had a restaurant

998
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:39,833
here for 10 years and I didn't see

999
00:36:39,833 --> 00:36:40,834
that much business, and it was locally

1000
00:36:40,834 --> 00:36:42,834
from

1001
00:36:42,836 --> 00:36:44,836
the locals and

1002
00:36:44,838 --> 00:36:45,839
so we had to suffer through that for

1003
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:47,839
about 10 years,

1004
00:36:48,842 --> 00:36:49,843
and finally we just kind of gave up

1005
00:36:49,843 --> 00:36:50,844
because we

1006
00:36:50,844 --> 00:36:51,812
couldn't get the support from the

1007
00:36:51,812 --> 00:36:52,813
town. You know I say we stay with

1008
00:36:52,813 --> 00:36:54,813
what

1009
00:36:54,815 --> 00:36:56,815
we got and

1010
00:36:56,817 --> 00:36:57,818
work on other stuff later. Let's rebuild

1011
00:36:57,818 --> 00:37:00,818
a little bit and try

1012
00:37:00,821 --> 00:37:02,821
and slow

1013
00:37:02,823 --> 00:37:03,824
down the traffic that's coming into

1014
00:37:03,824 --> 00:37:05,826
town. Already we've had a

1015
00:37:05,826 --> 00:37:06,827
shooting at denny's, right? It's going

1016
00:37:06,827 --> 00:37:07,828
to be like phoenix before you know

1017
00:37:07,828 --> 00:37:09,828
it.

1018
00:37:09,830 --> 00:37:10,831
thanks.

1019
00:37:10,831 --> 00:37:12,831
>>

1020
00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:14,833
thank you.

1021
00:37:22,843 --> 00:37:24,843
>>

1022
00:37:27,814 --> 00:37:28,815
>> by rantanen house, owner of the

1023
00:37:28,815 --> 00:37:30,815
noble

1024
00:37:32,819 --> 00:37:33,820
building and building houses and remodels

1025
00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:34,821
appear for 20-plus years. Wanted to

1026
00:37:34,821 --> 00:37:36,821
address the

1027
00:37:37,824 --> 00:37:38,825
hardening

1028
00:37:38,825 --> 00:37:39,826
code. I feel like I want to reiterate

1029
00:37:39,826 --> 00:37:41,828
everything that everybody already

1030
00:37:41,828 --> 00:37:43,830
said but also add to that. I feel

1031
00:37:43,830 --> 00:37:45,832
like we are missing

1032
00:37:45,832 --> 00:37:46,834
a step. While I understand that hardening

1033
00:37:46,834 --> 00:37:47,835
a

1034
00:37:47,835 --> 00:37:49,837
home can be beneficial, it's not the

1035
00:37:49,837 --> 00:37:52,237
one step and what

1036
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,840
we should do is we

1037
00:37:57,845 --> 00:37:58,812
should enforce our defensible space

1038
00:37:58,812 --> 00:37:59,813
around

1039
00:37:59,813 --> 00:38:01,815
the homes, and I would implore you to

1040
00:38:01,815 --> 00:38:04,818
make it so that every time a

1041
00:38:04,818 --> 00:38:05,819
building permit is pulled, that

1042
00:38:05,819 --> 00:38:07,821
that house is subject to being inspected

1043
00:38:07,821 --> 00:38:08,822
and have to be brought up

1044
00:38:08,822 --> 00:38:10,824
to code for fire wising. And I think

1045
00:38:10,824 --> 00:38:11,825
that that

1046
00:38:11,825 --> 00:38:12,826
would make 100 times more difference

1047
00:38:12,826 --> 00:38:13,827
to our community than trying to harden,

1048
00:38:13,827 --> 00:38:15,827
like

1049
00:38:16,830 --> 00:38:17,831
you said before, speckled

1050
00:38:17,831 --> 00:38:20,834
amount of homes around the community.

1051
00:38:20,834 --> 00:38:22,836
I think we are putting the cart before

1052
00:38:22,836 --> 00:38:24,838
the horse so if

1053
00:38:24,838 --> 00:38:26,840
we could put our energy into fire

1054
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,842
wising and defensible space, and educate

1055
00:38:28,842 --> 00:38:30,844
people in that, and then

1056
00:38:30,844 --> 00:38:31,812
make hardening a home a secondary

1057
00:38:31,812 --> 00:38:33,812
thing once

1058
00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:37,215
we get number one

1059
00:38:40,821 --> 00:38:41,822
step done . That's all I

1060
00:38:41,822 --> 00:38:42,823
wanted to add to what everybody else

1061
00:38:42,823 --> 00:38:43,824
has already put out there. Thank you.

1062
00:38:43,824 --> 00:38:44,825
>>

1063
00:38:44,825 --> 00:38:46,825
thank you.

1064
00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:48,827
>>

1065
00:38:49,830 --> 00:38:51,830
mike white.

1066
00:39:04,845 --> 00:39:07,814
>> my name is mike white's.

1067
00:39:07,814 --> 00:39:08,815
I've been in the phoenix --well

1068
00:39:08,815 --> 00:39:10,817
payson, star valley area for about

1069
00:39:10,817 --> 00:39:13,817
15 years now, after being involved

1070
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:15,820
at

1071
00:39:16,823 --> 00:39:17,824
the airport. I'd like to talk

1072
00:39:17,824 --> 00:39:19,826
about two issues regarding hangers,

1073
00:39:19,826 --> 00:39:20,827
one I guess we are very disappointed.

1074
00:39:20,827 --> 00:39:22,827
we

1075
00:39:22,829 --> 00:39:23,830
were told that the whole hangar rate

1076
00:39:23,830 --> 00:39:25,832
issue would be on tonight's agenda.

1077
00:39:25,832 --> 00:39:26,834
I was told that by public works several

1078
00:39:26,834 --> 00:39:27,835
months

1079
00:39:27,835 --> 00:39:28,836
ago. The problem still exists, first

1080
00:39:28,836 --> 00:39:30,836
up, we've

1081
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:32,840
made numerous presentations and formal

1082
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,842
requests, both in writing and verbally,

1083
00:39:34,842 --> 00:39:37,842
to address this issue. The

1084
00:39:37,845 --> 00:39:38,812
first part, we have

1085
00:39:38,812 --> 00:39:40,814
problem with the lease itself and

1086
00:39:40,814 --> 00:39:42,814
also

1087
00:39:42,816 --> 00:39:43,817
the rate. Our hangers are 11% smaller

1088
00:39:43,817 --> 00:39:45,819
than the newer hangers but we charge

1089
00:39:45,819 --> 00:39:46,820
the same rate and the newer hangers

1090
00:39:46,820 --> 00:39:48,820
are by

1091
00:39:49,823 --> 00:39:51,823
definition

1092
00:39:52,826 --> 00:39:53,827
newer and nicer but we are still

1093
00:39:53,827 --> 00:39:55,829
being charged the same rate. Now throw

1094
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:58,832
on top of that, when the airport commissioner

1095
00:39:58,832 --> 00:40:01,832
made his presentation may 14th,

1096
00:40:01,835 --> 00:40:02,836
in his council decision request attachment a,

1097
00:40:02,836 --> 00:40:04,836
he

1098
00:40:04,838 --> 00:40:06,840
did all the math and economic

1099
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,841
justification showing the town of

1100
00:40:07,841 --> 00:40:09,841
pain electricity instead

1101
00:40:10,844 --> 00:40:13,244
of pho occupants paying

1102
00:40:13,814 --> 00:40:15,816
for it so that would be my

1103
00:40:15,816 --> 00:40:16,817
triple dip here, so the rate for a

1104
00:40:16,817 --> 00:40:18,817
should be

1105
00:40:19,820 --> 00:40:20,821
$300, not

1106
00:40:20,821 --> 00:40:22,823
371 plus 15 for electricity. I have

1107
00:40:22,823 --> 00:40:25,826
all the data to back that

1108
00:40:25,826 --> 00:40:28,829
up for you. Another problem with

1109
00:40:28,829 --> 00:40:29,830
treating

1110
00:40:29,830 --> 00:40:31,832
us unequally, inequitably, is that

1111
00:40:31,832 --> 00:40:35,432
you are in violation of some

1112
00:40:37,838 --> 00:40:38,839
faa grant

1113
00:40:38,839 --> 00:40:39,840
, they specifically prohibit that

1114
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:40,841
and there are two mechanisms for reporting

1115
00:40:40,841 --> 00:40:41,842
the problem so it's

1116
00:40:41,842 --> 00:40:43,844
just a matter of time until somebody

1117
00:40:43,844 --> 00:40:44,845
raises that issue and the town is

1118
00:40:44,845 --> 00:40:46,813
at risk for getting more and keeping

1119
00:40:46,813 --> 00:40:48,815
grant money. We brought that up before,

1120
00:40:48,815 --> 00:40:51,818
too. Second problem or issue is the

1121
00:40:51,818 --> 00:40:52,819
leases themselves are very coercive.

1122
00:40:52,819 --> 00:40:54,819
we

1123
00:40:55,822 --> 00:40:56,823
were given less than a week's notice

1124
00:40:56,823 --> 00:40:58,823
to

1125
00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:00,827
sign the leases as is or the

1126
00:41:00,827 --> 00:41:01,828
evicted and they're terrible and I

1127
00:41:01,828 --> 00:41:03,828
presented

1128
00:41:03,830 --> 00:41:04,831
the retails details of why that is

1129
00:41:04,831 --> 00:41:06,831
so,

1130
00:41:09,837 --> 00:41:10,838
numerous times. Very coarse. One thing,

1131
00:41:10,838 --> 00:41:12,840
we are told there would be

1132
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:13,841
a yearly lease and they are just month

1133
00:41:13,841 --> 00:41:16,844
to month. There is a late penalty

1134
00:41:16,844 --> 00:41:19,813
of 20% in their and that

1135
00:41:19,813 --> 00:41:22,213
violates ars ordinances. In

1136
00:41:22,816 --> 00:41:25,816
fact it's ars title 33-1414,

1137
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:26,820
paragraph a, sets a

1138
00:41:26,820 --> 00:41:28,822
maximum of five dollars a day fee

1139
00:41:28,822 --> 00:41:30,822
if you

1140
00:41:33,827 --> 00:41:34,828
are late. Hours far exceeds that.

1141
00:41:34,828 --> 00:41:35,829
another problem, the hanger use restrictions

1142
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:37,829
are

1143
00:41:39,833 --> 00:41:40,834
extremely restrictive in time here

1144
00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:42,836
and I will give

1145
00:41:42,836 --> 00:41:43,837
you numerous reasons why that is so, just

1146
00:41:43,837 --> 00:41:45,837
completely and

1147
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,840
reasonably so.

1148
00:41:48,842 --> 00:41:49,843
it doesn't allow an llc or partners

1149
00:41:49,843 --> 00:41:50,844
to own an airplane. It's crazy. Almost

1150
00:41:50,844 --> 00:41:51,812
all

1151
00:41:51,812 --> 00:41:52,813
airplanes around by an llc or partnership. So

1152
00:41:52,813 --> 00:41:55,816
if I die my partner loses

1153
00:41:55,816 --> 00:41:57,816
the hanger. You

1154
00:41:57,818 --> 00:41:58,819
know that's crazy, or the aero club

1155
00:41:58,819 --> 00:41:59,820
will lose its hanger as soon as we

1156
00:41:59,820 --> 00:42:01,822
elect a new president. It's crazy.

1157
00:42:01,822 --> 00:42:02,823
in fact, when I brought up several

1158
00:42:02,823 --> 00:42:04,823
months ago

1159
00:42:04,825 --> 00:42:06,825
the town attorney

1160
00:42:07,828 --> 00:42:09,828
gave me

1161
00:42:10,831 --> 00:42:11,832
a [ inaudible ] that he was going

1162
00:42:11,832 --> 00:42:12,833
to fix

1163
00:42:12,833 --> 00:42:13,834
that. Still waiting. And lastly they're

1164
00:42:13,834 --> 00:42:14,835
calling us a commercial enterprise

1165
00:42:14,835 --> 00:42:16,835
and that is

1166
00:42:16,837 --> 00:42:17,838
not the case.

1167
00:42:17,838 --> 00:42:19,838
>> thank you. >>

1168
00:42:22,843 --> 00:42:23,844
excuse me, christina, mr.

1169
00:42:23,844 --> 00:42:25,812
town manager, can we just get an update

1170
00:42:25,812 --> 00:42:26,813
on this at some

1171
00:42:26,813 --> 00:42:28,815
point, where we are with this? Because I know we've

1172
00:42:28,815 --> 00:42:30,815
had a lot

1173
00:42:30,817 --> 00:42:31,818
of changes on all areas that touch

1174
00:42:31,818 --> 00:42:33,818
that

1175
00:42:34,821 --> 00:42:37,821
subject, if you'd just get

1176
00:42:37,824 --> 00:42:39,824
an up

1177
00:42:40,827 --> 00:42:42,829
date in the future it would

1178
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:43,830
be great.

1179
00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:44,831
>> if we could do that sooner

1180
00:42:44,831 --> 00:42:45,832
than later, because I know it

1181
00:42:45,832 --> 00:42:46,834
was requested in a previous council

1182
00:42:46,834 --> 00:42:47,835
meeting.

1183
00:42:47,835 --> 00:42:48,836
>> not your call. >> no.

1184
00:42:48,836 --> 00:42:49,837
I

1185
00:42:49,837 --> 00:42:50,838
think it's done.

1186
00:42:50,838 --> 00:42:52,838
>> greg

1187
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:54,840
triple horn?

1188
00:42:55,843 --> 00:42:57,843
>>

1189
00:42:58,812 --> 00:43:00,812
tripped in?

1190
00:43:01,815 --> 00:43:02,816
oh, trey flint? Is it triple in?

1191
00:43:02,816 --> 00:43:04,816
>>

1192
00:43:04,818 --> 00:43:05,819
trip on.

1193
00:43:05,819 --> 00:43:07,819
>> oh,

1194
00:43:07,821 --> 00:43:08,822
trip on .

1195
00:43:08,822 --> 00:43:10,824
>> yes, hello. We are just

1196
00:43:10,824 --> 00:43:11,825
asking to change the name of nugget

1197
00:43:11,825 --> 00:43:12,826
street

1198
00:43:12,826 --> 00:43:13,827
to gordon's way. Nugget is a small

1199
00:43:13,827 --> 00:43:16,227
street that cuts through

1200
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:17,831
the sawmill crossing. We are asking

1201
00:43:17,831 --> 00:43:18,832
to do that in

1202
00:43:18,832 --> 00:43:19,833
memory of mr. Gordon white, who passed

1203
00:43:19,833 --> 00:43:21,833
away earlier

1204
00:43:22,836 --> 00:43:23,837
this year. That's it. Thank you.

1205
00:43:23,837 --> 00:43:25,837
>>

1206
00:43:29,843 --> 00:43:30,844
thank you.

1207
00:43:30,844 --> 00:43:32,844
>> again, mr.

1208
00:43:34,815 --> 00:43:35,816
town manager.

1209
00:43:35,816 --> 00:43:36,817
>> it's on your agenda.

1210
00:43:36,817 --> 00:43:38,817
>> you're the best.

1211
00:43:38,819 --> 00:43:40,819
>>

1212
00:43:41,822 --> 00:43:42,823
tom west.

1213
00:43:42,823 --> 00:43:44,823
>> which subject

1214
00:43:44,825 --> 00:43:46,825
matter

1215
00:43:47,828 --> 00:43:48,829
is this

1216
00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:49,830
? --

1217
00:43:49,830 --> 00:43:50,831
>> subject matter on this one

1218
00:43:50,831 --> 00:43:51,832
because I put in two different subjects.

1219
00:43:51,832 --> 00:43:53,834
>> you can choose whichever you like.

1220
00:43:53,834 --> 00:43:54,835
>> I'll do

1221
00:43:54,835 --> 00:43:56,837
hanger rent. First off, I appreciate

1222
00:43:56,837 --> 00:43:59,840
the fact that you'll take a

1223
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,842
real beating on this call to

1224
00:44:01,842 --> 00:44:03,844
the public. That takes thick skin.

1225
00:44:03,844 --> 00:44:04,845
that's tough so I do appreciate that.

1226
00:44:04,845 --> 00:44:05,812
regarding that, I'll talk about the

1227
00:44:05,812 --> 00:44:06,813
hanger rent

1228
00:44:06,813 --> 00:44:11,130
that mike just spoke about. I'm representing

1229
00:44:11,818 --> 00:44:12,819
the payson aero club

1230
00:44:12,819 --> 00:44:13,820
because we rent a hanger for that

1231
00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:17,420
and also two rentals so indirectly

1232
00:44:20,827 --> 00:44:22,827
I rent

1233
00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:24,831
three hangers at what we

1234
00:44:24,831 --> 00:44:25,832
call pho, payson hanger one. As you

1235
00:44:25,832 --> 00:44:26,834
remember originally there were condos.

1236
00:44:26,834 --> 00:44:28,834
there were 10

1237
00:44:28,836 --> 00:44:29,837
members and they had a lease. Originally

1238
00:44:29,837 --> 00:44:30,838
went to eight members because

1239
00:44:30,838 --> 00:44:31,839
two members died and they gave their

1240
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:32,840
membership to the association, and

1241
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:33,841
the ground

1242
00:44:33,841 --> 00:44:35,843
lease was 14 dest 20 and five, you

1243
00:44:35,843 --> 00:44:38,843
divide that by eight, there

1244
00:44:41,815 --> 00:44:42,816
is $178 per person but then of course

1245
00:44:42,816 --> 00:44:43,817
there was insurance, electricity,

1246
00:44:43,817 --> 00:44:44,818
things like that. Ended up being about

1247
00:44:44,818 --> 00:44:45,819
an assessment of $230

1248
00:44:45,819 --> 00:44:46,820
for each person to be in those hangers

1249
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:47,821
and then the additional revenue of

1250
00:44:47,821 --> 00:44:49,821
two rentals

1251
00:44:50,824 --> 00:44:52,824
because the owners

1252
00:44:53,827 --> 00:44:55,827
had died

1253
00:44:59,833 --> 00:45:01,833
. In july as

1254
00:45:01,835 --> 00:45:02,836
you know, the town took over and of

1255
00:45:02,836 --> 00:45:03,837
course doing a horrible

1256
00:45:03,837 --> 00:45:04,838
job, this was recommended, we have

1257
00:45:04,838 --> 00:45:05,839
not been charged correctly for the rent

1258
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:06,840
yet. We got charged

1259
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,841
today $2100 for one month of rent.

1260
00:45:07,841 --> 00:45:08,842
we had to sleep with dennis. They

1261
00:45:08,842 --> 00:45:09,843
can't even

1262
00:45:09,843 --> 00:45:10,844
charge us the rent correctly. It's

1263
00:45:10,844 --> 00:45:11,845
really irritating. And of course dennis

1264
00:45:11,845 --> 00:45:12,813
is the airport

1265
00:45:12,813 --> 00:45:14,815
coordinator, just arbitrarily made

1266
00:45:14,815 --> 00:45:16,815
the rent 371 plus 15, 386

1267
00:45:16,817 --> 00:45:17,818
a month. Our hanger is 118 square

1268
00:45:17,818 --> 00:45:19,818
feet

1269
00:45:19,820 --> 00:45:20,821
less, our cherokee has to go a little

1270
00:45:20,821 --> 00:45:21,822
sideways to get around the wing, to

1271
00:45:21,822 --> 00:45:23,824
get to the cockpit. Not so on the

1272
00:45:23,824 --> 00:45:24,825
t hangers that are by the

1273
00:45:24,825 --> 00:45:25,826
fuel pit that you charge the same

1274
00:45:25,826 --> 00:45:27,828
amount for. Our hangers are nothing

1275
00:45:27,828 --> 00:45:29,830
like the hangers at the fuel pit and

1276
00:45:29,830 --> 00:45:32,830
as he mentioned, I think

1277
00:45:35,836 --> 00:45:36,837
that violates the fa grant

1278
00:45:36,837 --> 00:45:37,838
insurance. Its unequal treatment of

1279
00:45:37,838 --> 00:45:38,839
us. Your charting is way more per

1280
00:45:38,839 --> 00:45:39,840
square foot

1281
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,841
for a hanger that's not nearly as

1282
00:45:40,841 --> 00:45:41,842
nice and it's unfair, unequal treatment

1283
00:45:41,842 --> 00:45:42,843
of

1284
00:45:42,843 --> 00:45:44,845
us in those hangers. The other thing

1285
00:45:44,845 --> 00:45:49,450
I want to mention is you know

1286
00:45:50,817 --> 00:45:52,817
the airport

1287
00:46:03,830 --> 00:46:04,831
has no maintenance plan. Eventually

1288
00:46:04,831 --> 00:46:05,832
the eight exterior light bulbs burned out,

1289
00:46:05,832 --> 00:46:06,834
regular light

1290
00:46:06,834 --> 00:46:08,836
bulbs on the north side of the hanger.

1291
00:46:08,836 --> 00:46:09,837
I mentioned it to dennis because now

1292
00:46:09,837 --> 00:46:10,838
they

1293
00:46:10,838 --> 00:46:11,839
take over. He said the absence of

1294
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:12,840
a licensed, bonded, insured person

1295
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,841
to change those

1296
00:46:13,841 --> 00:46:14,842
lightbulbs, I took a letter, I changed

1297
00:46:14,842 --> 00:46:15,843
one lightbulb, I got caught, busted.

1298
00:46:15,843 --> 00:46:16,844
he goes,

1299
00:46:16,844 --> 00:46:17,845
you can do that, I do dennis, I hold

1300
00:46:17,845 --> 00:46:18,812
the ladder, you go up and

1301
00:46:18,812 --> 00:46:20,814
change the lightbulb, it's a screw-in

1302
00:46:20,814 --> 00:46:21,815
bulb, no we don't change light bulbs.

1303
00:46:21,815 --> 00:46:22,816
there

1304
00:46:22,816 --> 00:46:23,817
is no maintenance program for payson

1305
00:46:23,817 --> 00:46:24,818
airport for anything except for getting

1306
00:46:24,818 --> 00:46:25,819
grants. It's insane.

1307
00:46:25,819 --> 00:46:26,820
you have to look into getting a maintenance

1308
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:27,821
program for general maintenance at

1309
00:46:27,821 --> 00:46:28,822
the airport,

1310
00:46:28,822 --> 00:46:29,823
like changing light bulbs. That's

1311
00:46:29,823 --> 00:46:32,826
all I have to say. Thank you.

1312
00:46:32,826 --> 00:46:34,826
>> speaker request?

1313
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:37,829
speaker to

1314
00:46:38,832 --> 00:46:40,834
speak twice or do

1315
00:46:40,834 --> 00:46:41,835
we get one bite at the apple?

1316
00:46:41,835 --> 00:46:42,836
>> typically

1317
00:46:42,836 --> 00:46:44,838
if you're called to the public

1318
00:46:44,838 --> 00:46:46,838
then

1319
00:46:47,841 --> 00:46:48,842
you're just speaking on

1320
00:46:48,842 --> 00:46:49,843
your call to the public agenda item.

1321
00:46:49,843 --> 00:46:50,844
you're not necessarily supposed to

1322
00:46:50,844 --> 00:46:51,845
be speaking more

1323
00:46:51,845 --> 00:46:52,813
than once at a council meeting.

1324
00:46:52,813 --> 00:46:53,814
>>

1325
00:46:53,814 --> 00:46:55,814
[ inaudible ] traffic circle

1326
00:46:56,817 --> 00:46:58,817
[ inaudible ]

1327
00:46:59,820 --> 00:47:01,820
putting up.

1328
00:47:01,822 --> 00:47:02,823
>> how much time do you have left?

1329
00:47:02,823 --> 00:47:04,823
spin didn't he

1330
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:10,829
have 30

1331
00:47:10,831 --> 00:47:11,832
seconds?

1332
00:47:11,832 --> 00:47:12,833
>> if he can speak in that

1333
00:47:12,833 --> 00:47:13,834
30 seconds point

1334
00:47:13,834 --> 00:47:14,835
>> you can

1335
00:47:14,835 --> 00:47:16,837
finish the rest of the

1336
00:47:16,837 --> 00:47:17,838
three minutes.

1337
00:47:17,838 --> 00:47:18,839
>> it's not that adversarial.

1338
00:47:18,839 --> 00:47:20,839
>>

1339
00:47:23,844 --> 00:47:24,845
yeah right .

1340
00:47:24,845 --> 00:47:25,812
>> now

1341
00:47:25,812 --> 00:47:26,813
I'm representing ea. I'm the president

1342
00:47:26,813 --> 00:47:29,816
of ea. We are trying to put the

1343
00:47:29,816 --> 00:47:31,818
aircraft display on the traffic

1344
00:47:31,818 --> 00:47:32,819
circle. We started three years ago.

1345
00:47:32,819 --> 00:47:33,820
identical to the public, voted on

1346
00:47:33,820 --> 00:47:34,821
the

1347
00:47:34,821 --> 00:47:35,822
agenda, you approved it. It got stalled

1348
00:47:35,822 --> 00:47:36,823
for about a year because the town

1349
00:47:36,823 --> 00:47:38,823
attorney dennis

1350
00:47:38,825 --> 00:47:41,225
dupre, christine smith and

1351
00:47:41,828 --> 00:47:43,828
rob buchanan

1352
00:47:47,835 --> 00:47:48,836
, you hired as a consultant, all

1353
00:47:48,836 --> 00:47:50,838
realized there was a liability risk. I

1354
00:47:50,838 --> 00:47:51,839
tried to say that there's no liability

1355
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:52,840
risk,

1356
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:53,841
it's a.'s traffic circle, adot issues

1357
00:47:53,841 --> 00:47:54,842
traffic permit, took about a year,

1358
00:47:54,842 --> 00:47:55,843
finally got it

1359
00:47:55,843 --> 00:47:56,844
insult. The town agreed it was not

1360
00:47:56,844 --> 00:47:57,845
a liability issue. We went ahead and

1361
00:47:57,845 --> 00:47:59,813
filed the encroachment permit with

1362
00:47:59,813 --> 00:48:00,814
a.and it was denied because rob buchanan,

1363
00:48:00,814 --> 00:48:02,814
your consultant, got

1364
00:48:02,816 --> 00:48:04,818
into it and he

1365
00:48:04,818 --> 00:48:05,819
said that you didn't want to be in the

1366
00:48:05,819 --> 00:48:06,820
same situation,

1367
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:08,822
he really didn't want it and you didn't want

1368
00:48:08,822 --> 00:48:09,823
the liability of. Again, that liability

1369
00:48:09,823 --> 00:48:10,824
--

1370
00:48:10,824 --> 00:48:11,825
>>

1371
00:48:11,825 --> 00:48:12,826
we are over the three minutes now.

1372
00:48:12,826 --> 00:48:14,828
>> thank you. >> I would like

1373
00:48:14,828 --> 00:48:15,829
to continue.

1374
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:17,829
>> you can talk.

1375
00:48:17,831 --> 00:48:19,831
>> look out

1376
00:48:20,834 --> 00:48:21,835
tonight again.

1377
00:48:21,835 --> 00:48:23,835
>> are there any

1378
00:48:23,837 --> 00:48:26,837
more speakers? One on zoom.

1379
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,840
let's

1380
00:48:29,843 --> 00:48:31,843
take zoom.

1381
00:48:32,813 --> 00:48:34,813
>> we see him

1382
00:48:35,816 --> 00:48:37,816
back there.

1383
00:48:44,825 --> 00:48:47,225
>> can you hear me?

1384
00:48:47,828 --> 00:48:48,829
thank you for this opportunity to

1385
00:48:48,829 --> 00:48:50,829
speak,

1386
00:48:50,831 --> 00:48:51,832
town manager, town

1387
00:48:51,832 --> 00:48:53,834
council, westermeier. I would also

1388
00:48:53,834 --> 00:48:56,234
like to speak about

1389
00:48:56,837 --> 00:48:58,837
the unfair

1390
00:49:02,843 --> 00:49:04,843
rental amounts

1391
00:49:04,845 --> 00:49:05,812
for the -- we'll call them the pho

1392
00:49:05,812 --> 00:49:06,813
hangers even though they are not anymore. The

1393
00:49:06,813 --> 00:49:07,814
town

1394
00:49:07,814 --> 00:49:08,815
has always used a per square footage

1395
00:49:08,815 --> 00:49:10,815
for the

1396
00:49:11,818 --> 00:49:14,821
charges and for some reason we

1397
00:49:14,821 --> 00:49:17,821
are being overcharged. Our base

1398
00:49:20,827 --> 00:49:21,828
rate is $371. That's the same exact

1399
00:49:21,828 --> 00:49:23,830
rate for the t

1400
00:49:23,830 --> 00:49:24,831
hangers that are by the fuel pit.

1401
00:49:24,831 --> 00:49:26,834
the fuel pit, as

1402
00:49:26,834 --> 00:49:27,835
you've already heard, the fuel pit

1403
00:49:27,835 --> 00:49:28,836
t

1404
00:49:28,836 --> 00:49:30,838
hangers are newer, nicer, and bigger.

1405
00:49:30,838 --> 00:49:32,838
and we don't

1406
00:49:33,841 --> 00:49:36,241
feel that 371 base rate

1407
00:49:36,844 --> 00:49:39,244
for our hangars is

1408
00:49:39,813 --> 00:49:41,813
fair based on

1409
00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:45,819
those facts , and we are being charged

1410
00:49:45,819 --> 00:49:46,820
an additional $15

1411
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:48,822
for electricity. So we are actually

1412
00:49:48,822 --> 00:49:50,822
being

1413
00:49:50,824 --> 00:49:51,825
charged $386. The rate should be closer

1414
00:49:51,825 --> 00:49:53,825
to

1415
00:49:53,827 --> 00:49:56,827
$300, which I don't believe would

1416
00:49:57,831 --> 00:50:00,831
be fair. Want to switch

1417
00:50:00,834 --> 00:50:02,834
gears and talk

1418
00:50:03,837 --> 00:50:05,837
about the malibu

1419
00:50:08,842 --> 00:50:09,843
pool project, and I would just like

1420
00:50:09,843 --> 00:50:11,845
to say I would like

1421
00:50:11,845 --> 00:50:12,813
to ask that the town not spend another

1422
00:50:12,813 --> 00:50:15,213
dollar on the proposed

1423
00:50:15,816 --> 00:50:17,818
malibu pool project until after

1424
00:50:17,818 --> 00:50:18,819
the bond election. I just feel like

1425
00:50:18,819 --> 00:50:20,819
it's irresponsible to

1426
00:50:21,822 --> 00:50:24,822
spend additional money when we

1427
00:50:24,825 --> 00:50:28,829
don't know how the town is going

1428
00:50:28,829 --> 00:50:30,831
to grow, one way or the other. So

1429
00:50:30,831 --> 00:50:33,834
that's all I had to say. Thank

1430
00:50:33,834 --> 00:50:34,835
you very much.

1431
00:50:34,835 --> 00:50:36,835
>> thank you.

1432
00:50:36,837 --> 00:50:38,837
>>

1433
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:41,840
mike quinn.

1434
00:50:42,843 --> 00:50:46,443
>> my name is mike quinn. I'd

1435
00:50:47,814 --> 00:50:48,815
just like to speak about the pool

1436
00:50:48,815 --> 00:50:49,816
situation for a minute.

1437
00:50:49,816 --> 00:50:51,818
I was doing some calculations. I think

1438
00:50:51,818 --> 00:50:54,818
there's $75 a year is not

1439
00:50:54,821 --> 00:50:57,221
much. I tried to

1440
00:50:57,824 --> 00:50:58,825
figure out,

1441
00:50:58,825 --> 00:51:00,827
my house has been appreciating every

1442
00:51:00,827 --> 00:51:03,827
year. It's way more than

1443
00:51:05,832 --> 00:51:06,834
$75. This business of squabbling over

1444
00:51:06,834 --> 00:51:07,835
a small sum of money

1445
00:51:07,835 --> 00:51:09,837
like that is ridiculous. $75 a year,

1446
00:51:09,837 --> 00:51:10,838
that comes out to like six or seven

1447
00:51:10,838 --> 00:51:11,839
bucks

1448
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:12,840
a month. That's a beer, that's a hamburger.

1449
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,840
not only that, if you

1450
00:51:15,843 --> 00:51:18,846
do build this --if this is

1451
00:51:18,846 --> 00:51:19,813
defeated and you

1452
00:51:19,813 --> 00:51:21,815
go back to the old site, people are

1453
00:51:21,815 --> 00:51:24,215
still going to have

1454
00:51:24,818 --> 00:51:25,819
to pay two or three bucks a month

1455
00:51:25,819 --> 00:51:26,820
so squabbling over this small sum

1456
00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:27,821
of money is ridiculous and making

1457
00:51:27,821 --> 00:51:28,822
an issue out of

1458
00:51:28,822 --> 00:51:33,220
it to appease one group of people

1459
00:51:33,827 --> 00:51:34,828
in town and ignore the

1460
00:51:34,828 --> 00:51:36,830
other property owners, I guess the

1461
00:51:36,830 --> 00:51:38,832
thing I'd like to say

1462
00:51:38,832 --> 00:51:39,833
is I guarantee you, if we go with

1463
00:51:39,833 --> 00:51:40,834
the malibu site

1464
00:51:40,834 --> 00:51:42,836
and we build a nice recreation facility,

1465
00:51:42,836 --> 00:51:44,836
my house

1466
00:51:44,838 --> 00:51:45,839
appreciation will more than cover

1467
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:47,839
it. That's

1468
00:51:48,842 --> 00:51:49,843
only $750 in 10 years. I'm

1469
00:51:49,843 --> 00:51:51,845
not sure I'm going to live 10 years

1470
00:51:51,845 --> 00:51:54,815
but it's well worth it

1471
00:51:54,815 --> 00:51:58,415
to me and this squabbling over

1472
00:52:00,821 --> 00:52:02,821
nickel and

1473
00:52:02,823 --> 00:52:03,824
dimes is ridiculous. The other thing

1474
00:52:03,824 --> 00:52:04,825
is the property values, letter a,

1475
00:52:04,825 --> 00:52:05,826
are going

1476
00:52:05,826 --> 00:52:06,827
to go up and down. That's going to

1477
00:52:06,827 --> 00:52:07,828
help cover it. And secondly,

1478
00:52:07,828 --> 00:52:09,830
more people are coming to town so

1479
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:10,831
you're going to get more revenue and let's

1480
00:52:10,831 --> 00:52:11,832
not

1481
00:52:11,832 --> 00:52:12,833
forget when we make america great

1482
00:52:12,833 --> 00:52:15,836
again we are all going to be

1483
00:52:15,836 --> 00:52:17,836
rich.

1484
00:52:18,839 --> 00:52:20,839
thank you.

1485
00:52:21,842 --> 00:52:24,242
>> and about? I see

1486
00:52:27,814 --> 00:52:29,814
a hand.

1487
00:52:33,820 --> 00:52:34,821
>> mayor, town council, I just

1488
00:52:34,821 --> 00:52:36,823
want to formally introduce myself.

1489
00:52:36,823 --> 00:52:37,824
my name is

1490
00:52:37,824 --> 00:52:39,826
jimmy lee and I recently accepted

1491
00:52:39,826 --> 00:52:42,829
the position of the chamber of

1492
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:43,830
commerce based here in

1493
00:52:43,830 --> 00:52:44,831
payson. We represent all the small

1494
00:52:44,831 --> 00:52:45,832
businesses both here in payson and

1495
00:52:45,832 --> 00:52:47,832
around gila

1496
00:52:47,835 --> 00:52:48,836
county and I just want to say we look

1497
00:52:48,836 --> 00:52:50,836
forward to working

1498
00:52:50,838 --> 00:52:51,839
with you and look forward to our partnership

1499
00:52:51,839 --> 00:52:54,239
together, so thank you

1500
00:52:54,842 --> 00:52:55,843
very much.

1501
00:52:55,843 --> 00:52:57,843
>> thank

1502
00:52:57,845 --> 00:52:59,845
you.

1503
00:53:00,814 --> 00:53:02,814
>> inga?

1504
00:53:03,817 --> 00:53:05,817
>> good afternoon mayor,

1505
00:53:06,820 --> 00:53:08,820
council,

1506
00:53:08,822 --> 00:53:09,823
and staff. I'm totally unprepared.

1507
00:53:09,823 --> 00:53:12,823
I was not going to

1508
00:53:12,826 --> 00:53:15,829
speak today but I've made some

1509
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:18,229
observations that bother me.

1510
00:53:18,832 --> 00:53:20,832
the group for

1511
00:53:20,834 --> 00:53:21,835
malibu pool is really well represented

1512
00:53:21,835 --> 00:53:23,835
and

1513
00:53:24,838 --> 00:53:25,839
they have some very

1514
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:27,841
good arguments, however, I've been

1515
00:53:27,841 --> 00:53:30,844
attending quite a few of the

1516
00:53:30,844 --> 00:53:32,844
refurbished taylor pool

1517
00:53:33,814 --> 00:53:34,815
meetings and I have found a lot of

1518
00:53:34,815 --> 00:53:36,815
sensible things

1519
00:53:36,817 --> 00:53:37,818
come out of that. First of all, to

1520
00:53:37,818 --> 00:53:39,818
me,

1521
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:42,820
the town in the past

1522
00:53:42,823 --> 00:53:44,825
few years has not been fiscally responsible.

1523
00:53:44,825 --> 00:53:45,826
there are three councilmembers that

1524
00:53:45,826 --> 00:53:47,826
ran on

1525
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:51,229
transparency and fiscal responsibility,

1526
00:53:51,832 --> 00:53:54,832
which means, check the figures.

1527
00:53:54,835 --> 00:53:59,350
now esther quinn just brought up some

1528
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,841
figures about $75 a year. If you all

1529
00:54:00,841 --> 00:54:02,841
go to united

1530
00:54:02,843 --> 00:54:06,443
payson's facebook page, there is a

1531
00:54:06,813 --> 00:54:09,813
chart there that you can

1532
00:54:09,816 --> 00:54:10,817
calculate what your property tax and

1533
00:54:10,817 --> 00:54:12,817
your

1534
00:54:12,819 --> 00:54:13,820
home will increase. So I also work

1535
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:15,820
with

1536
00:54:15,822 --> 00:54:18,825
the roundup and they run a

1537
00:54:18,825 --> 00:54:20,825
poll so the

1538
00:54:21,828 --> 00:54:23,828
town in

1539
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:24,831
the past promised many pie in the

1540
00:54:24,831 --> 00:54:25,832
sky projects which

1541
00:54:25,832 --> 00:54:27,835
have not come through. So I really

1542
00:54:27,835 --> 00:54:28,836
appreciate

1543
00:54:28,836 --> 00:54:30,838
those councilmembers that have worked

1544
00:54:30,838 --> 00:54:31,839
hard at investigating all these facts.

1545
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,839
so

1546
00:54:33,841 --> 00:54:36,841
the poll that the roundup

1547
00:54:36,844 --> 00:54:38,844
ran showed

1548
00:54:39,813 --> 00:54:41,813
no pool, 29.1%,

1549
00:54:42,816 --> 00:54:44,816
renovate taylor

1550
00:54:45,819 --> 00:54:47,819
pool, 59.1%.

1551
00:54:48,822 --> 00:54:49,823
no pool, 11.8%. Now these figures

1552
00:54:49,823 --> 00:54:51,823
come from people

1553
00:54:51,825 --> 00:54:53,825
who

1554
00:54:54,828 --> 00:54:56,830
have lived here many years. I've

1555
00:54:56,830 --> 00:54:57,831
only been here 13 but I feel like

1556
00:54:57,831 --> 00:54:59,833
I've been here 30 years. I'm

1557
00:54:59,833 --> 00:55:00,834
really involved with the town and

1558
00:55:00,834 --> 00:55:01,835
I like to listen to all the facts

1559
00:55:01,835 --> 00:55:03,835
and figures.

1560
00:55:03,837 --> 00:55:04,838
and these are my observations so again,

1561
00:55:04,838 --> 00:55:06,838
you know,

1562
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:09,843
we need to really basically put this

1563
00:55:09,843 --> 00:55:10,844
on hold and get down to the bottom.

1564
00:55:10,844 --> 00:55:12,813
also

1565
00:55:12,813 --> 00:55:14,815
the one thing that I

1566
00:55:14,815 --> 00:55:15,816
heard some during these meetings,

1567
00:55:15,816 --> 00:55:18,816
that malibu would really basically

1568
00:55:21,822 --> 00:55:22,823
just serve the college and we are not going

1569
00:55:22,823 --> 00:55:23,824
to get

1570
00:55:23,824 --> 00:55:24,825
people from mesa out here because

1571
00:55:24,825 --> 00:55:27,828
they've got their own thing. We

1572
00:55:27,828 --> 00:55:30,828
are looking for the kids.

1573
00:55:30,831 --> 00:55:32,833
the taylor pool will

1574
00:55:32,833 --> 00:55:33,834
add two lanes. That will give us competition,

1575
00:55:33,834 --> 00:55:35,836
which means a better economy. People

1576
00:55:35,836 --> 00:55:36,837
will come up here for the competition

1577
00:55:36,837 --> 00:55:37,838
meets that will increase revenue that

1578
00:55:37,838 --> 00:55:39,838
not only

1579
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:40,841
the hotels but also the restaurant.

1580
00:55:40,841 --> 00:55:42,841
so I got

1581
00:55:42,843 --> 00:55:44,843
a lot more

1582
00:55:44,845 --> 00:55:45,846
to share but I only have 25 minutes

1583
00:55:45,846 --> 00:55:47,814
and I don't want to go

1584
00:55:47,814 --> 00:55:48,815
off on a tangent, so please do think

1585
00:55:48,815 --> 00:55:50,817
about some of the points that I

1586
00:55:50,817 --> 00:55:52,819
brought up. I appreciate all of you

1587
00:55:52,819 --> 00:55:53,820
and all the hard work that you

1588
00:55:53,820 --> 00:55:56,823
put into this, and your passion about

1589
00:55:56,823 --> 00:55:57,824
this town, which matches my passion

1590
00:55:57,824 --> 00:56:00,827
for this town. Thank you so much and

1591
00:56:00,827 --> 00:56:04,427
thank you, mr. Manager, for again

1592
00:56:04,831 --> 00:56:08,431
taking up the sword and working

1593
00:56:10,838 --> 00:56:11,839
with us , and with

1594
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:12,840
your common sense decisions.

1595
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:13,841
>> thank

1596
00:56:13,841 --> 00:56:14,842
you, inga.

1597
00:56:14,842 --> 00:56:16,842
>> thank

1598
00:56:16,844 --> 00:56:17,845
you.

1599
00:56:17,845 --> 00:56:19,813
>>

1600
00:56:19,813 --> 00:56:22,213
anymore speakers? With that

1601
00:56:22,816 --> 00:56:25,816
we'll move to item b,

1602
00:56:25,819 --> 00:56:27,819
consent

1603
00:56:28,822 --> 00:56:29,823
agenda.

1604
00:56:29,823 --> 00:56:31,825
all items listed under the consent agenda will

1605
00:56:31,825 --> 00:56:33,825
be voted on

1606
00:56:37,831 --> 00:56:38,832
with one motion. The consent agenda

1607
00:56:38,832 --> 00:56:39,833
includes

1608
00:56:39,833 --> 00:56:40,834
items that are routine, procedural,

1609
00:56:40,834 --> 00:56:42,834
informational, self-explanatory

1610
00:56:44,838 --> 00:56:45,839
and noncontroversial. If discussion

1611
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:46,840
is desired regarding any consent agenda

1612
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,840
item, that

1613
00:56:49,843 --> 00:56:51,845
item will be removed from the

1614
00:56:51,845 --> 00:56:52,813
consent agenda, proceed to vote, and

1615
00:56:52,813 --> 00:56:55,813
remaining consent agenda items will

1616
00:56:55,816 --> 00:56:58,216
then return to discuss

1617
00:56:58,819 --> 00:57:00,821
and vote on removed items

1618
00:57:00,821 --> 00:57:01,822
separately. So ask for a motion on

1619
00:57:01,822 --> 00:57:03,822
the

1620
00:57:07,828 --> 00:57:09,828
consent agenda.

1621
00:57:09,830 --> 00:57:10,831
>> I moved to approve the consent

1622
00:57:10,831 --> 00:57:12,831
agenda.

1623
00:57:13,834 --> 00:57:15,834
>> second? >> second with

1624
00:57:16,837 --> 00:57:18,837
charlie bell.

1625
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,840
call for

1626
00:57:25,846 --> 00:57:27,846
the vote.

1627
00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:45,830
>> [ inaudible ] >> my

1628
00:57:46,834 --> 00:57:47,835
thing --[ inaudible ]

1629
00:57:47,835 --> 00:57:49,835
>> motion

1630
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:54,840
passes 7-0.

1631
00:57:55,843 --> 00:57:57,843
>> current events,

1632
00:57:57,845 --> 00:58:00,845
presentation by town manager, mayor,

1633
00:58:04,818 --> 00:58:06,818
and/or councilmembers,

1634
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:07,821
c 1. Darren?

1635
00:58:07,821 --> 00:58:08,822
>> you guys have anything

1636
00:58:08,822 --> 00:58:09,823
first?

1637
00:58:09,823 --> 00:58:10,824
>> I don't. >>

1638
00:58:10,824 --> 00:58:11,825
no, nothing from council? Okay. Just

1639
00:58:11,825 --> 00:58:13,825
a couple

1640
00:58:13,827 --> 00:58:15,827
of things that

1641
00:58:16,830 --> 00:58:17,831
we are working on

1642
00:58:17,831 --> 00:58:19,833
and I think that most people in the

1643
00:58:19,833 --> 00:58:22,836
audience will approve this. It won't

1644
00:58:22,836 --> 00:58:24,838
take that long but soon you'll

1645
00:58:24,838 --> 00:58:28,842
be able to go to the city of payson

1646
00:58:28,842 --> 00:58:31,842
website and town of payson

1647
00:58:31,845 --> 00:58:33,814
website,

1648
00:58:33,814 --> 00:58:34,815
and there will be a new tab there,

1649
00:58:34,815 --> 00:58:36,815
and it

1650
00:58:39,820 --> 00:58:40,821
says ask city hall so if you heard

1651
00:58:40,821 --> 00:58:42,821
a rumor in

1652
00:58:43,824 --> 00:58:45,826
town or you saw something on

1653
00:58:45,826 --> 00:58:46,827
facebook, and you want to get what

1654
00:58:46,827 --> 00:58:48,827
the true facts

1655
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:49,830
are from the city, you can click on

1656
00:58:49,830 --> 00:58:51,830
that building or

1657
00:58:52,833 --> 00:58:53,834
that button within a day or so, depending

1658
00:58:53,834 --> 00:58:55,834
on

1659
00:58:55,836 --> 00:58:57,836
whose department

1660
00:58:57,838 --> 00:58:58,839
it is, we'll respond directly to you

1661
00:58:58,839 --> 00:59:00,841
what the stance of

1662
00:59:00,841 --> 00:59:01,842
the city's is. When that becomes available,

1663
00:59:01,842 --> 00:59:03,842
I'll let

1664
00:59:04,845 --> 00:59:06,845
you

1665
00:59:07,814 --> 00:59:12,140
know. I don't want to talk about

1666
00:59:12,819 --> 00:59:13,820
that. Today counselor hollands and

1667
00:59:13,820 --> 00:59:15,820
I were

1668
00:59:16,823 --> 00:59:18,823
talking about how

1669
00:59:18,825 --> 00:59:19,826
do we make the town of payson a better

1670
00:59:19,826 --> 00:59:22,226
place and how do

1671
00:59:22,829 --> 00:59:25,229
we get past some

1672
00:59:27,835 --> 00:59:28,836
of the heartaches that the city is

1673
00:59:28,836 --> 00:59:30,838
faced in the last couple

1674
00:59:30,838 --> 00:59:35,638
of years. So I did some calling around

1675
00:59:37,845 --> 00:59:38,846
and did some talking to some

1676
00:59:38,846 --> 00:59:40,814
people. I spoke to the gardening club

1677
00:59:40,814 --> 00:59:41,815
and I meet with them next week, and

1678
00:59:41,815 --> 00:59:42,816
I also spoke

1679
00:59:42,816 --> 00:59:43,817
with jesse perry, and I meet with

1680
00:59:43,817 --> 00:59:45,817
him next week.

1681
00:59:46,820 --> 00:59:48,822
one thing I think we should

1682
00:59:48,822 --> 00:59:49,823
think of, maybe in the spring, is

1683
00:59:49,823 --> 00:59:51,823
doing payson beautification

1684
00:59:52,826 --> 00:59:54,828
day. We'll do it on

1685
00:59:54,828 --> 00:59:55,829
a saturday. The city of payson can pay

1686
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:57,829
for our hot

1687
00:59:58,832 --> 01:00:00,832
dogs and

1688
01:00:00,834 --> 01:00:01,835
chili and people who participate,

1689
01:00:01,835 --> 01:00:04,838
t-shirts, we'll have rakes ready for

1690
01:00:04,838 --> 01:00:06,838
them, we'll have

1691
01:00:07,841 --> 01:00:08,842
flowers, we'll

1692
01:00:08,842 --> 01:00:10,844
have everything. We'll spend one day.

1693
01:00:10,844 --> 01:00:11,845
the city crew can go out and pick

1694
01:00:11,845 --> 01:00:12,813
up

1695
01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:13,814
garbage, if it's something too big

1696
01:00:13,814 --> 01:00:15,816
that you can't get we'll go and get

1697
01:00:15,816 --> 01:00:16,817
it for them and we'll see if we can't

1698
01:00:16,817 --> 01:00:18,817
make

1699
01:00:19,820 --> 01:00:21,822
payson prettier. Just something

1700
01:00:21,822 --> 01:00:22,823
that I'm thinking about as I meet

1701
01:00:22,823 --> 01:00:25,823
with those people. I'll let

1702
01:00:25,826 --> 01:00:27,826
you know.

1703
01:00:27,828 --> 01:00:28,829
we'll shoot for something in the spring like

1704
01:00:28,829 --> 01:00:31,229
that, that we can

1705
01:00:31,832 --> 01:00:32,833
get the whole community behind something.

1706
01:00:32,833 --> 01:00:34,833
I

1707
01:00:34,835 --> 01:00:37,235
want you all to

1708
01:00:37,838 --> 01:00:40,238
know, too that the

1709
01:00:40,841 --> 01:00:42,841
845,603 $33

1710
01:00:43,844 --> 01:00:45,846
for the public safety retirement has

1711
01:00:45,846 --> 01:00:46,813
been paid this year. No penalties

1712
01:00:46,813 --> 01:00:48,813
for this

1713
01:00:51,818 --> 01:00:52,819
year so we also meet with a crew that

1714
01:00:52,819 --> 01:00:54,819
is

1715
01:00:55,822 --> 01:00:58,825
called pars. Dana and I will meet

1716
01:00:58,825 --> 01:01:01,828
with them in october and it's an

1717
01:01:01,828 --> 01:01:02,829
investment firm that basically is

1718
01:01:02,829 --> 01:01:04,829
for strictly

1719
01:01:04,831 --> 01:01:05,832
for

1720
01:01:05,832 --> 01:01:07,835
emergency services, retirement. Dana

1721
01:01:07,835 --> 01:01:08,836
and I will also meet with an investment

1722
01:01:08,836 --> 01:01:10,836
firm

1723
01:01:10,838 --> 01:01:12,838
that does

1724
01:01:13,841 --> 01:01:15,841
the purchasing of

1725
01:01:16,844 --> 01:01:17,845
public bonds, public cds. You have

1726
01:01:17,845 --> 01:01:18,846
all your

1727
01:01:18,846 --> 01:01:19,813
money currently in basically one account. We

1728
01:01:19,813 --> 01:01:20,814
are going to diversify that account

1729
01:01:20,814 --> 01:01:22,814
so that we

1730
01:01:22,816 --> 01:01:25,819
don't get ourselves tied up in a

1731
01:01:25,819 --> 01:01:27,819
bad

1732
01:01:28,822 --> 01:01:30,822
spot. Now

1733
01:01:30,824 --> 01:01:32,826
I will give you a little update on

1734
01:01:32,826 --> 01:01:33,827
the pool. This is going

1735
01:01:33,827 --> 01:01:37,831
to be pretty short and sweet because

1736
01:01:37,831 --> 01:01:38,832
our contractor has been sick and he

1737
01:01:38,832 --> 01:01:40,832
also has

1738
01:01:41,835 --> 01:01:44,835
been in africa fishing for

1739
01:01:47,841 --> 01:01:49,841
bass so

1740
01:01:49,843 --> 01:01:50,844
he gave us some numbers. I want to stress

1741
01:01:50,844 --> 01:01:53,814
to everybody that these numbers are

1742
01:01:53,814 --> 01:01:56,214
off of a 40% plan

1743
01:01:57,818 --> 01:01:59,820
so they're not your final numbers.

1744
01:01:59,820 --> 01:02:01,820
they're a 40%

1745
01:02:02,823 --> 01:02:04,823
plan that

1746
01:02:04,825 --> 01:02:05,826
we feel is reasonable to come up with

1747
01:02:05,826 --> 01:02:07,826
the numbers

1748
01:02:08,829 --> 01:02:10,829
but currently at

1749
01:02:11,832 --> 01:02:13,832
a 40%

1750
01:02:14,835 --> 01:02:16,835
cost estimate,

1751
01:02:17,838 --> 01:02:18,839
rob feels that the

1752
01:02:18,839 --> 01:02:20,841
pool can be done for $12.4 million

1753
01:02:20,841 --> 01:02:23,841
excluding the cover. The pool

1754
01:02:23,844 --> 01:02:25,844
can be

1755
01:02:25,846 --> 01:02:26,813
done for $16 million with a cover.

1756
01:02:26,813 --> 01:02:28,813
now

1757
01:02:29,816 --> 01:02:31,818
I want to stress,

1758
01:02:31,818 --> 01:02:35,822
you know, and everybody knows I just

1759
01:02:35,822 --> 01:02:38,222
want to reiterate that

1760
01:02:38,825 --> 01:02:39,826
that's 40% plans and I

1761
01:02:39,826 --> 01:02:41,828
know that contractors feel pretty

1762
01:02:41,828 --> 01:02:44,228
good about that but

1763
01:02:44,831 --> 01:02:46,834
I just want to make sure that

1764
01:02:46,834 --> 01:02:47,835
that's clear. But those are the numbers.

1765
01:02:47,835 --> 01:02:49,835
he did

1766
01:02:50,838 --> 01:02:52,840
cut some things out of it that

1767
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,844
you guys may have asked for so we

1768
01:02:56,844 --> 01:02:59,813
are down to the nuts

1769
01:02:59,813 --> 01:03:02,813
and bolts, you might say.

1770
01:03:02,816 --> 01:03:04,818
I know I can't remember which one of you, what

1771
01:03:04,818 --> 01:03:05,819
do you that asked for operating? Was

1772
01:03:05,819 --> 01:03:07,819
it you

1773
01:03:08,822 --> 01:03:10,824
that asked for operating,

1774
01:03:10,824 --> 01:03:11,825
scott? And this is an estimate of

1775
01:03:11,825 --> 01:03:13,825
communities

1776
01:03:13,827 --> 01:03:14,828
around us, and then an estimate that

1777
01:03:14,828 --> 01:03:16,828
rod

1778
01:03:17,831 --> 01:03:20,231
put together, an estimate

1779
01:03:20,834 --> 01:03:22,834
for

1780
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,840
expenses, $482,240. An estimate

1781
01:03:29,843 --> 01:03:31,843
of revenues, $170,200. On

1782
01:03:32,846 --> 01:03:33,814
the

1783
01:03:33,814 --> 01:03:35,816
revenues, that all depends on what

1784
01:03:35,816 --> 01:03:38,819
you guys want to do. If you want 12

1785
01:03:38,819 --> 01:03:41,822
and under free, that's going to

1786
01:03:41,822 --> 01:03:44,825
change that. If you want your senior

1787
01:03:44,825 --> 01:03:46,825
citizens

1788
01:03:47,828 --> 01:03:48,829
for free. And so, depending

1789
01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:49,830
on the estimated expenses, you really

1790
01:03:49,830 --> 01:03:50,831
can't forecast any project until it's

1791
01:03:50,831 --> 01:03:52,831
been

1792
01:03:53,834 --> 01:03:54,835
a year, until you know what

1793
01:03:54,835 --> 01:03:56,837
your water costs are, what your chlorine

1794
01:03:56,837 --> 01:03:59,837
costs are, what your power

1795
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,840
bill is, what

1796
01:04:01,842 --> 01:04:02,843
your --but everybody around here says

1797
01:04:02,843 --> 01:04:04,843
anywhere

1798
01:04:05,846 --> 01:04:06,813
from

1799
01:04:06,813 --> 01:04:09,813
350 to 600,000 depending on what you

1800
01:04:11,818 --> 01:04:14,821
got so you're looking at around

1801
01:04:14,821 --> 01:04:17,221
$309,000 lost. That is a

1802
01:04:17,824 --> 01:04:19,826
36% return. Most people said

1803
01:04:19,826 --> 01:04:23,830
that you can expect any place from

1804
01:04:23,830 --> 01:04:25,830
25% to

1805
01:04:26,834 --> 01:04:28,834
40%

1806
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:33,841
return so I

1807
01:04:33,841 --> 01:04:34,842
want everybody to know, especially

1808
01:04:34,842 --> 01:04:35,843
in the audience, that on september

1809
01:04:35,843 --> 01:04:38,243
30th the information pamphlet

1810
01:04:38,846 --> 01:04:43,460
will come out that will have all

1811
01:04:43,817 --> 01:04:44,818
the figures, also the city website

1812
01:04:44,818 --> 01:04:45,819
that we put together

1813
01:04:45,819 --> 01:04:47,821
will become available on that same

1814
01:04:47,821 --> 01:04:49,823
day. Those are all

1815
01:04:49,823 --> 01:04:50,824
just past figures that the council

1816
01:04:50,824 --> 01:04:52,824
has

1817
01:04:53,827 --> 01:04:55,827
been presented.

1818
01:04:56,830 --> 01:04:58,830
nothing new.

1819
01:04:59,833 --> 01:05:01,833
I guess

1820
01:05:02,836 --> 01:05:04,836
that's it.

1821
01:05:15,816 --> 01:05:16,817
>> I guess I'm disappointed that this

1822
01:05:16,817 --> 01:05:17,818
information is being presented today.

1823
01:05:17,818 --> 01:05:18,819
we are six

1824
01:05:18,819 --> 01:05:19,820
weeks --

1825
01:05:19,820 --> 01:05:20,821
>> mayor and council, I'm

1826
01:05:20,821 --> 01:05:21,822
so sorry, we're not really supposed

1827
01:05:21,822 --> 01:05:22,823
to have any discussion

1828
01:05:22,823 --> 01:05:23,824
on how manager updates?

1829
01:05:23,824 --> 01:05:24,825
>> we can't

1830
01:05:24,825 --> 01:05:25,826
have discussion on it that we can

1831
01:05:25,826 --> 01:05:26,827
have

1832
01:05:26,827 --> 01:05:27,828
these numbers presented in favor,

1833
01:05:27,828 --> 01:05:28,829
which could be in favor of

1834
01:05:28,829 --> 01:05:29,830
the pool.

1835
01:05:29,830 --> 01:05:30,831
>> mayor and council, as

1836
01:05:30,831 --> 01:05:31,832
I have previously reminded as

1837
01:05:31,832 --> 01:05:32,833
well as I am now, so they current

1838
01:05:32,833 --> 01:05:34,833
events

1839
01:05:34,835 --> 01:05:35,836
summary under open meeting laws is

1840
01:05:35,836 --> 01:05:36,837
a one-way.

1841
01:05:36,837 --> 01:05:38,839
it's only the town manager being able

1842
01:05:38,839 --> 01:05:39,840
to provide an update on multiple topics

1843
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:40,841
and because

1844
01:05:40,841 --> 01:05:41,842
it's multiple topics, the law basically

1845
01:05:41,842 --> 01:05:44,845
states that it has to be

1846
01:05:44,845 --> 01:05:47,814
one way, because there back and forth

1847
01:05:47,814 --> 01:05:48,815
discussion. So you don't want to violate

1848
01:05:48,815 --> 01:05:50,815
the open

1849
01:05:50,817 --> 01:05:51,818
meeting law.

1850
01:05:51,818 --> 01:05:52,819
>> then could

1851
01:05:52,819 --> 01:05:53,820
I ask for maybe this to be put on

1852
01:05:53,820 --> 01:05:54,821
the agenda

1853
01:05:54,821 --> 01:05:56,823
next week, then, and I could make

1854
01:05:56,823 --> 01:05:58,823
a presentation regarding

1855
01:05:59,826 --> 01:06:01,826
the pool

1856
01:06:01,828 --> 01:06:02,829
and the numbers?

1857
01:06:02,829 --> 01:06:03,830
>> I think I share

1858
01:06:03,830 --> 01:06:04,831
your concern about advocacy.

1859
01:06:04,831 --> 01:06:05,832
obviously I gave a presentation right

1860
01:06:05,832 --> 01:06:08,836
after we did the referral. For the

1861
01:06:08,836 --> 01:06:11,836
bond. And certainly I would

1862
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:13,839
not

1863
01:06:14,842 --> 01:06:15,843
recommend that the town be in a position where we

1864
01:06:15,843 --> 01:06:16,844
are going to have

1865
01:06:16,844 --> 01:06:17,845
more presentations about the pool until

1866
01:06:17,845 --> 01:06:18,846
after the outcome of the election.

1867
01:06:18,846 --> 01:06:19,847
>>

1868
01:06:19,847 --> 01:06:20,814
then yeah, then I would think that

1869
01:06:20,814 --> 01:06:23,814
we shouldn't be talking about

1870
01:06:23,817 --> 01:06:28,170
any numbers in a council meeting regarding

1871
01:06:29,823 --> 01:06:30,824
the bond.

1872
01:06:30,824 --> 01:06:31,825
>> staff, you're out of

1873
01:06:31,825 --> 01:06:32,826
order, either remove

1874
01:06:32,826 --> 01:06:35,826
your self --remove yourself or

1875
01:06:37,831 --> 01:06:38,832
be quiet . You're out of order. You're

1876
01:06:38,832 --> 01:06:39,833
out of order.

1877
01:06:39,833 --> 01:06:41,833
>> you're out

1878
01:06:41,835 --> 01:06:42,836
of order.

1879
01:06:42,836 --> 01:06:44,836
>> mayor and council,

1880
01:06:44,838 --> 01:06:47,841
I would just again, because open

1881
01:06:47,841 --> 01:06:48,842
meeting law issues, I would just --

1882
01:06:48,842 --> 01:06:49,843
if we

1883
01:06:49,843 --> 01:06:50,844
could maybe stop this discussion and

1884
01:06:50,844 --> 01:06:52,844
just

1885
01:06:56,817 --> 01:06:57,818
move on.

1886
01:06:57,818 --> 01:07:00,218
>> that's all I have.

1887
01:07:02,823 --> 01:07:05,823
>> okay. >> no other great news?

1888
01:07:07,828 --> 01:07:08,829
>> no. >> on a brighter note, I want

1889
01:07:08,829 --> 01:07:10,831
to thank our town manager

1890
01:07:10,831 --> 01:07:11,832
for sending some of our leased vehicles

1891
01:07:11,832 --> 01:07:13,834
that we didn't need back to

1892
01:07:13,834 --> 01:07:17,838
their homes and saving the town of

1893
01:07:17,838 --> 01:07:18,839
payson money.

1894
01:07:18,839 --> 01:07:20,839
>> thank

1895
01:07:23,844 --> 01:07:24,845
you.

1896
01:07:24,845 --> 01:07:26,813
>>

1897
01:07:26,813 --> 01:07:28,813
darren,

1898
01:07:28,815 --> 01:07:29,816
what vehicle were you given to drive

1899
01:07:29,816 --> 01:07:30,817
when you came here?

1900
01:07:30,817 --> 01:07:31,818
>> I wasn't

1901
01:07:31,818 --> 01:07:32,819
given one.

1902
01:07:32,819 --> 01:07:33,820
>> I thought you had a

1903
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:34,821
2019 car to drive.

1904
01:07:34,821 --> 01:07:35,822
>> oh, you

1905
01:07:35,822 --> 01:07:37,824
didn't offer that. But I

1906
01:07:37,824 --> 01:07:38,825
think there's one new and that, that

1907
01:07:38,825 --> 01:07:40,825
I'd rather like.

1908
01:07:45,832 --> 01:07:46,834
>> okay. >> you told me you

1909
01:07:46,834 --> 01:07:48,836
had a 2019 vehicle and it had less

1910
01:07:48,836 --> 01:07:49,837
than 10,000 miles on it.

1911
01:07:49,837 --> 01:07:50,838
>> yes

1912
01:07:50,838 --> 01:07:51,839
there is one out there and there's

1913
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:54,239
actually one with --I

1914
01:07:55,843 --> 01:07:57,845
don't know, dana is rocking it on

1915
01:07:57,845 --> 01:07:58,846
this. She's going through and we

1916
01:07:58,846 --> 01:08:00,814
discussed it again today but there's

1917
01:08:00,814 --> 01:08:01,815
one out there that has less than

1918
01:08:01,815 --> 01:08:02,816
6000 miles on it, yeah.

1919
01:08:02,816 --> 01:08:03,817
>> I think

1920
01:08:03,817 --> 01:08:04,818
we're just going

1921
01:08:04,818 --> 01:08:06,820
to keep because it's cheaper just

1922
01:08:06,820 --> 01:08:07,821
to buy it than to

1923
01:08:07,821 --> 01:08:09,823
send it back with that few of miles

1924
01:08:09,823 --> 01:08:10,824
on it.

1925
01:08:10,824 --> 01:08:11,825
>> thank you

1926
01:08:11,825 --> 01:08:12,826
for taking the bull by the horns and

1927
01:08:12,826 --> 01:08:15,226
getting some of those

1928
01:08:18,832 --> 01:08:20,832
vehicles home

1929
01:08:22,836 --> 01:08:23,837
because we didn't need the recurring

1930
01:08:23,837 --> 01:08:24,838
expense and thank you to him.

1931
01:08:24,838 --> 01:08:25,839
>> yes,

1932
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:26,840
thank you. Those are good things.

1933
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:27,841
>> those are good things. I forgot

1934
01:08:27,841 --> 01:08:29,841
that we

1935
01:08:30,844 --> 01:08:32,844
had anything under

1936
01:08:33,814 --> 01:08:35,814
ceremonial announcements?

1937
01:08:36,817 --> 01:08:38,817
cnn

1938
01:08:38,819 --> 01:08:41,819
healing mom, hearings and appeals

1939
01:08:42,823 --> 01:08:45,826
are not, that brings us to

1940
01:08:45,826 --> 01:08:47,828
item f1 under resolutions

1941
01:08:47,828 --> 01:08:48,829
and ordinances, discussion, possible

1942
01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:50,829
action

1943
01:08:51,832 --> 01:08:53,832
regarding

1944
01:08:56,837 --> 01:08:57,838
resolution 3462, approving and authorizing infrastructure

1945
01:08:57,838 --> 01:08:59,838
development

1946
01:08:59,840 --> 01:09:00,841
agreement between town of payson,

1947
01:09:00,841 --> 01:09:02,841
arizona, and payson

1948
01:09:05,846 --> 01:09:07,814
golf club, llc, related to the infrastructure

1949
01:09:07,814 --> 01:09:10,814
development of certain property located

1950
01:09:14,821 --> 01:09:15,822
in town.

1951
01:09:15,822 --> 01:09:16,823
>> thank you, mayor and council.

1952
01:09:16,823 --> 01:09:18,825
tonight for your consideration is

1953
01:09:18,825 --> 01:09:21,225
the resolution 3462, which approves

1954
01:09:21,828 --> 01:09:23,828
infrastructure

1955
01:09:24,831 --> 01:09:26,831
development agreement

1956
01:09:26,834 --> 01:09:27,835
24-001 between the town of payson

1957
01:09:27,835 --> 01:09:29,837
and the payson golf club

1958
01:09:29,837 --> 01:09:30,838
llc. The application for this agreement

1959
01:09:30,838 --> 01:09:31,839
was submitted

1960
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:33,841
by the developer and has gone through

1961
01:09:33,841 --> 01:09:35,841
multiple rounds of

1962
01:09:35,843 --> 01:09:36,844
review. It's gone departments of legal

1963
01:09:36,844 --> 01:09:37,845
council

1964
01:09:37,845 --> 01:09:39,847
and the applicant's team including

1965
01:09:39,847 --> 01:09:42,816
their attorney and engineer . In

1966
01:09:42,816 --> 01:09:45,216
addition this proposal has

1967
01:09:45,819 --> 01:09:46,820
been discussed in

1968
01:09:46,820 --> 01:09:47,821
multiple council work sessions, which

1969
01:09:47,821 --> 01:09:48,822
is giving council members the opportunity

1970
01:09:48,822 --> 01:09:50,822
to provide direction

1971
01:09:50,824 --> 01:09:51,825
to staff and clarify any of those

1972
01:09:51,825 --> 01:09:53,827
expectations before bringing it back

1973
01:09:53,827 --> 01:09:54,828
before you tonight. Just briefly,

1974
01:09:54,828 --> 01:09:56,828
I will kind

1975
01:09:57,831 --> 01:09:58,832
of go over what it is. It

1976
01:09:58,832 --> 01:10:00,834
is a development agreement. It relates

1977
01:10:00,834 --> 01:10:02,834
to a proposed

1978
01:10:03,837 --> 01:10:06,237
development for 125 residential condominium

1979
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,240
units on the payson

1980
01:10:09,843 --> 01:10:10,844
golf club property. There's

1981
01:10:10,844 --> 01:10:12,846
some key infrastructure commitments

1982
01:10:12,846 --> 01:10:14,815
in the project so the

1983
01:10:14,815 --> 01:10:19,150
developer is going to fund and construct

1984
01:10:20,821 --> 01:10:21,822
laid way roadway improvements. That

1985
01:10:21,822 --> 01:10:22,823
includes roadway improvements, doll

1986
01:10:22,823 --> 01:10:23,824
baby

1987
01:10:23,824 --> 01:10:24,825
ranch road. We've got reconstruction

1988
01:10:24,825 --> 01:10:27,825
of vista road, reconstruction on

1989
01:10:27,828 --> 01:10:29,828
country club

1990
01:10:30,831 --> 01:10:31,832
drive, full reconstruction, safety

1991
01:10:31,832 --> 01:10:33,834
upgrades, three-way intersection of

1992
01:10:33,834 --> 01:10:36,234
those three raids. Developer

1993
01:10:36,837 --> 01:10:37,838
will be required

1994
01:10:37,838 --> 01:10:39,840
to upgrade drainage to town standards

1995
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:42,840
for this project, to reconstruct

1996
01:10:42,843 --> 01:10:43,844
golf

1997
01:10:43,844 --> 01:10:44,845
club driveways, residential driveways,

1998
01:10:44,845 --> 01:10:45,846
dedicate right-of-way to the town for

1999
01:10:45,846 --> 01:10:47,846
vista and

2000
01:10:48,815 --> 01:10:50,817
country club, and there is a portion

2001
01:10:50,817 --> 01:10:51,818
of the doll baby ranch road that is

2002
01:10:51,818 --> 01:10:52,819
that forest service piece so if

2003
01:10:52,819 --> 01:10:54,821
approvals are delayed during that

2004
01:10:54,821 --> 01:10:56,821
the developers have

2005
01:10:57,824 --> 01:10:58,825
a

2006
01:10:58,825 --> 01:11:00,827
cash payment equivalent for construction which is

2007
01:11:00,827 --> 01:11:01,828
in the agreement. There

2008
01:11:01,828 --> 01:11:03,830
are private streets proposed within

2009
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:04,831
the development which

2010
01:11:04,831 --> 01:11:05,832
would remain private and not maintained

2011
01:11:05,832 --> 01:11:08,836
by the town of payson. So this agreement

2012
01:11:08,836 --> 01:11:09,837
does not replace any of our standard

2013
01:11:09,837 --> 01:11:11,837
processes. We

2014
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:14,840
still have a

2015
01:11:16,844 --> 01:11:17,845
standard subdivision plat and process

2016
01:11:17,845 --> 01:11:18,846
approval they will still have to go

2017
01:11:18,846 --> 01:11:20,814
through. This ultimately

2018
01:11:20,814 --> 01:11:21,815
memorializes those variances at their

2019
01:11:21,815 --> 01:11:24,215
request to move forward

2020
01:11:24,818 --> 01:11:25,819
and

2021
01:11:25,819 --> 01:11:27,821
design. The town also required all

2022
01:11:27,821 --> 01:11:28,822
of the town codes still apply for

2023
01:11:28,822 --> 01:11:29,823
the development

2024
01:11:29,823 --> 01:11:30,824
and the agreement does expire in three

2025
01:11:30,824 --> 01:11:34,424
years if the platting conditions are

2026
01:11:34,828 --> 01:11:36,830
not met. This agreement has been carefully

2027
01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:38,830
reviewed

2028
01:11:39,833 --> 01:11:40,834
and discussed in

2029
01:11:40,834 --> 01:11:41,835
alliance with the general plan and

2030
01:11:41,835 --> 01:11:42,836
assures needed infrastructure is delivered

2031
01:11:42,836 --> 01:11:44,836
at no cost

2032
01:11:45,839 --> 01:11:46,840
to the town. I can provide any more

2033
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:47,841
breakdown of those specific variances

2034
01:11:47,841 --> 01:11:48,842
that they are requesting or any other

2035
01:11:48,842 --> 01:11:50,842
questions

2036
01:11:50,844 --> 01:11:51,845
you have and the applicant is also

2037
01:11:51,845 --> 01:11:53,845
here if you

2038
01:11:54,815 --> 01:11:57,215
have questions for them

2039
01:11:57,818 --> 01:11:58,819
as well.

2040
01:11:58,819 --> 01:11:59,820
>> I have a question regarding

2041
01:11:59,820 --> 01:12:03,824
the doll baby ranch road portion west

2042
01:12:03,824 --> 01:12:06,224
of vista because as

2043
01:12:06,827 --> 01:12:08,829
I look at the property

2044
01:12:08,829 --> 01:12:09,830
lines, it's a sawtooth affair with

2045
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:11,832
forest service land and then

2046
01:12:11,832 --> 01:12:12,833
golf course land and then service

2047
01:12:12,833 --> 01:12:15,233
land so what you're

2048
01:12:15,836 --> 01:12:17,836
telling us is

2049
01:12:18,839 --> 01:12:20,839
there's going

2050
01:12:24,845 --> 01:12:26,847
to be [ inaudible ] up until the sawtooth

2051
01:12:26,847 --> 01:12:27,814
and then there will be nothing where

2052
01:12:27,814 --> 01:12:28,815
it's forest service and they have

2053
01:12:28,815 --> 01:12:29,816
to start

2054
01:12:29,816 --> 01:12:30,817
again.

2055
01:12:30,817 --> 01:12:31,818
>> you are correct it is a

2056
01:12:31,818 --> 01:12:32,819
very

2057
01:12:32,819 --> 01:12:33,820
sawtooth section of her there. Part

2058
01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:34,821
of the agreement requires them to

2059
01:12:34,821 --> 01:12:35,822
start the

2060
01:12:35,822 --> 01:12:36,823
process of getting that cleaned up,

2061
01:12:36,823 --> 01:12:37,824
essentially. We will be a partner

2062
01:12:37,824 --> 01:12:38,825
in cleaning that

2063
01:12:38,825 --> 01:12:39,826
up so the town will support whatever

2064
01:12:39,826 --> 01:12:40,827
we can in those efforts. If they're

2065
01:12:40,827 --> 01:12:42,829
unable to, they provide the cash to

2066
01:12:42,829 --> 01:12:45,832
us and we are able to do those

2067
01:12:45,832 --> 01:12:47,835
improvements if we need to.

2068
01:12:47,835 --> 01:12:48,836
>> vista up towards the cemetery,

2069
01:12:48,836 --> 01:12:50,836
there

2070
01:12:54,842 --> 01:12:56,844
is some forks in the

2071
01:12:56,844 --> 01:12:57,845
property lines. Do we know who --

2072
01:12:57,845 --> 01:12:59,847
>> it all gets cleaned up with this

2073
01:12:59,847 --> 01:13:00,814
so you have proper right-of-way designation

2074
01:13:00,814 --> 01:13:01,815
with this so then what's currently

2075
01:13:01,815 --> 01:13:02,816
roadway now

2076
01:13:02,816 --> 01:13:03,817
is actually private property, so all

2077
01:13:03,817 --> 01:13:06,820
of that actually gets dedicated for

2078
01:13:06,820 --> 01:13:08,822
the town to continue

2079
01:13:08,822 --> 01:13:09,823
to maintain.

2080
01:13:09,823 --> 01:13:10,824
>> and payson golf course

2081
01:13:10,824 --> 01:13:11,825
owns vista?

2082
01:13:11,825 --> 01:13:13,825
>> correct. >>

2083
01:13:14,828 --> 01:13:15,829
forest service owns much of doll baby

2084
01:13:15,829 --> 01:13:16,830
ranch road?

2085
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:17,831
>> just a

2086
01:13:17,831 --> 01:13:18,832
couple of those pieces you saw in

2087
01:13:18,832 --> 01:13:19,833
that sawtooth so there's some breakups

2088
01:13:19,833 --> 01:13:20,834
here.

2089
01:13:20,834 --> 01:13:21,835
>> how

2090
01:13:21,835 --> 01:13:23,837
much of the total business is that?

2091
01:13:23,837 --> 01:13:24,838
>> how much of the forest service

2092
01:13:24,838 --> 01:13:25,839
is owned?

2093
01:13:25,839 --> 01:13:27,839
>> how

2094
01:13:27,841 --> 01:13:30,841
much of --I saw in

2095
01:13:30,844 --> 01:13:31,845
the presentation, how many feet, linear

2096
01:13:31,845 --> 01:13:33,814
feet is going

2097
01:13:33,814 --> 01:13:35,816
to take there, and

2098
01:13:35,816 --> 01:13:36,817
I just wondered how much is forest

2099
01:13:36,817 --> 01:13:38,817
service as a

2100
01:13:42,823 --> 01:13:44,823
percentage or any

2101
01:13:44,825 --> 01:13:45,826
--

2102
01:13:45,826 --> 01:13:46,827
>> I don't have the breakdown unless

2103
01:13:46,827 --> 01:13:47,828
the engineer -- do you have

2104
01:13:47,828 --> 01:13:48,829
any breakdown?

2105
01:13:48,829 --> 01:13:49,830
>> okay, yeah, just

2106
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:51,830
the doll

2107
01:13:51,832 --> 01:13:52,833
baby side. The doll baby ranch road,

2108
01:13:52,833 --> 01:13:54,833
the

2109
01:13:54,835 --> 01:13:55,836
whole distance is 1575 feet so not

2110
01:13:55,836 --> 01:13:57,836
all

2111
01:13:57,838 --> 01:13:59,838
of

2112
01:14:01,842 --> 01:14:02,843
that.

2113
01:14:02,843 --> 01:14:03,844
>> and they

2114
01:14:03,844 --> 01:14:04,845
put curb and gutter just on the golf

2115
01:14:04,845 --> 01:14:05,846
course side, is that correct?

2116
01:14:05,846 --> 01:14:07,814
>>

2117
01:14:07,814 --> 01:14:08,815
of course side,

2118
01:14:08,815 --> 01:14:09,816
which --

2119
01:14:09,816 --> 01:14:10,817
>> the development side for

2120
01:14:10,817 --> 01:14:11,818
the condos. They're not doing sides

2121
01:14:11,818 --> 01:14:13,818
of the road.

2122
01:14:13,820 --> 01:14:15,820
>> both sides. >> both

2123
01:14:16,823 --> 01:14:18,823
sides, okay.

2124
01:14:19,826 --> 01:14:21,826
>> that's my question.

2125
01:14:22,829 --> 01:14:23,830
>> I think I know the answers to

2126
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:25,832
these but I got some questions on

2127
01:14:25,832 --> 01:14:27,832
facebook

2128
01:14:28,836 --> 01:14:30,838
about this specific project

2129
01:14:30,838 --> 01:14:31,839
and I'm curious how long ago did the

2130
01:14:31,839 --> 01:14:33,839
property zoning

2131
01:14:34,842 --> 01:14:35,843
change

2132
01:14:35,843 --> 01:14:36,844
for this because apparently nobody

2133
01:14:36,844 --> 01:14:37,845
knows when the zoning changes were

2134
01:14:37,845 --> 01:14:39,845
made, how or

2135
01:14:40,814 --> 01:14:41,815
when, so I'm just

2136
01:14:41,815 --> 01:14:42,816
curious.

2137
01:14:42,816 --> 01:14:43,817
>> the zoning has not changed

2138
01:14:43,817 --> 01:14:44,818
and it did not need to change. This

2139
01:14:44,818 --> 01:14:46,818
is

2140
01:14:46,820 --> 01:14:49,823
by right use for this parcel.

2141
01:14:49,823 --> 01:14:50,824
it is zoned r 3 so

2142
01:14:50,824 --> 01:14:51,825
they can do the condos without this

2143
01:14:51,825 --> 01:14:52,826
development agreement, essentially

2144
01:14:52,826 --> 01:14:54,826
pull

2145
01:14:55,829 --> 01:14:56,830
a

2146
01:14:56,830 --> 01:14:57,831
permit tomorrow for condos. The development

2147
01:14:57,831 --> 01:14:58,832
agreement is to ask for those variances

2148
01:14:58,832 --> 01:15:00,832
in

2149
01:15:01,835 --> 01:15:02,836
the

2150
01:15:02,836 --> 01:15:03,837
roadway standards for the three raids we

2151
01:15:03,837 --> 01:15:04,838
mentioned.

2152
01:15:04,838 --> 01:15:05,839
>> it was owned appropriately

2153
01:15:05,839 --> 01:15:06,840
when the

2154
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:07,841
current owner purchased the golf course.

2155
01:15:07,841 --> 01:15:09,841
okay. Is

2156
01:15:10,844 --> 01:15:11,845
the current developer or

2157
01:15:11,845 --> 01:15:12,846
owner receiving special considerations

2158
01:15:12,846 --> 01:15:16,446
regarding street size or set backs?

2159
01:15:16,817 --> 01:15:18,817
>> no. >> and

2160
01:15:19,820 --> 01:15:20,821
has there been any traffic

2161
01:15:20,821 --> 01:15:22,823
study consideration regarding the

2162
01:15:22,823 --> 01:15:25,223
traffic that will be

2163
01:15:25,826 --> 01:15:27,826
increased at green

2164
01:15:28,829 --> 01:15:29,830
valley park?

2165
01:15:29,830 --> 01:15:30,831
>> green

2166
01:15:30,831 --> 01:15:31,832
valley park, I think the traffic study

2167
01:15:31,832 --> 01:15:33,834
was designed for this specific site,

2168
01:15:33,834 --> 01:15:34,835
for the golf course area, so that

2169
01:15:34,835 --> 01:15:36,835
traffic

2170
01:15:36,837 --> 01:15:37,838
study was done to determine if a left

2171
01:15:37,838 --> 01:15:38,839
turn lane was

2172
01:15:38,839 --> 01:15:40,841
essentially warranted on vista, which

2173
01:15:40,841 --> 01:15:42,841
it

2174
01:15:42,843 --> 01:15:43,844
was found not to be.

2175
01:15:43,844 --> 01:15:44,845
>> nothing specifically

2176
01:15:44,845 --> 01:15:45,846
to

2177
01:15:45,846 --> 01:15:46,847
the increase of traffic that will

2178
01:15:46,847 --> 01:15:50,447
be going by the park with

2179
01:15:52,819 --> 01:15:54,819
the additional

2180
01:15:55,822 --> 01:15:56,823
[ inaudible ] at the golf

2181
01:15:56,823 --> 01:15:57,824
course?

2182
01:15:57,824 --> 01:15:58,825
>> it didn't go that, no --

2183
01:15:58,825 --> 01:15:59,826
>> in this situation the zoning that's

2184
01:15:59,826 --> 01:16:00,827
already set up for that.

2185
01:16:00,827 --> 01:16:01,828
>> typically

2186
01:16:01,828 --> 01:16:02,829
your traffic study is going to review

2187
01:16:02,829 --> 01:16:03,830
the

2188
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:04,831
impact of the traffic for that specific

2189
01:16:04,831 --> 01:16:06,831
setting.

2190
01:16:07,835 --> 01:16:09,835
>> awesome.

2191
01:16:10,838 --> 01:16:12,838
appreciate

2192
01:16:13,841 --> 01:16:14,842
it.

2193
01:16:14,842 --> 01:16:16,842
>> just john hit

2194
01:16:16,844 --> 01:16:17,845
some of it but a

2195
01:16:17,845 --> 01:16:19,847
little more clarification for some

2196
01:16:19,847 --> 01:16:21,847
of

2197
01:16:25,819 --> 01:16:26,820
these threads.

2198
01:16:26,820 --> 01:16:27,821
this is a public you municipal golf

2199
01:16:27,821 --> 01:16:28,822
course or a public/private golf course?

2200
01:16:28,822 --> 01:16:29,823
I know

2201
01:16:29,823 --> 01:16:30,824
the answer.

2202
01:16:30,824 --> 01:16:31,825
>> public/private. Is

2203
01:16:31,825 --> 01:16:32,826
not a municipal golf course.

2204
01:16:32,826 --> 01:16:34,826
>> this

2205
01:16:34,828 --> 01:16:35,829
is not the town

2206
01:16:35,829 --> 01:16:37,831
selling off half of its golf course

2207
01:16:37,831 --> 01:16:39,831
and things of

2208
01:16:39,833 --> 01:16:40,834
that nature.

2209
01:16:40,834 --> 01:16:41,835
>> private property.

2210
01:16:41,835 --> 01:16:42,836
>> this is somebody

2211
01:16:42,836 --> 01:16:43,837
who privately owns the property and

2212
01:16:43,837 --> 01:16:44,838
they're using their property within

2213
01:16:44,838 --> 01:16:46,838
the

2214
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:47,841
zoning codes.

2215
01:16:47,841 --> 01:16:49,841
>> yes, correct.

2216
01:16:52,846 --> 01:16:54,815
>> okay. >> okay. >> show me

2217
01:16:54,815 --> 01:16:55,816
that the answer will be yes on this

2218
01:16:55,816 --> 01:16:57,816
but is the

2219
01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:01,822
property owner happy with the result

2220
01:17:01,822 --> 01:17:02,823
of what's going on here?

2221
01:17:02,823 --> 01:17:04,823
>>

2222
01:17:04,825 --> 01:17:07,828
we'll have to ask him and

2223
01:17:07,828 --> 01:17:08,829
probably ask specifically why

2224
01:17:08,829 --> 01:17:09,830
you are asking if he's happy about

2225
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:10,831
that.

2226
01:17:10,831 --> 01:17:11,832
>> are you happy with all of

2227
01:17:11,832 --> 01:17:12,833
this?

2228
01:17:12,833 --> 01:17:15,836
is this going the way you want it

2229
01:17:15,836 --> 01:17:16,837
to go?

2230
01:17:16,837 --> 01:17:17,838
>> and you come and speak at

2231
01:17:17,838 --> 01:17:20,838
the mike if you're --

2232
01:17:21,842 --> 01:17:22,843
thank you

2233
01:17:22,843 --> 01:17:23,844
>> can't see specifically

2234
01:17:23,844 --> 01:17:25,844
if

2235
01:17:25,846 --> 01:17:28,815
I'm happy or not but I can

2236
01:17:28,815 --> 01:17:31,215
say that recently the

2237
01:17:31,818 --> 01:17:33,818
town has been

2238
01:17:34,821 --> 01:17:35,822
responsive in terms of getting this on

2239
01:17:35,822 --> 01:17:37,822
the

2240
01:17:37,824 --> 01:17:39,824
agenda and we

2241
01:17:40,827 --> 01:17:42,827
have approved the

2242
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:45,830
infrastructure agreement and

2243
01:17:45,832 --> 01:17:46,834
are pleased that we are moving forward.

2244
01:17:46,834 --> 01:17:48,834
so yes, I

2245
01:17:51,839 --> 01:17:52,840
am pleased.

2246
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:53,841
>> we'll change the word

2247
01:17:53,841 --> 01:17:54,842
happy to pleased.

2248
01:17:54,842 --> 01:17:56,842
>> okay. Any

2249
01:17:58,846 --> 01:17:59,847
other questions?

2250
01:17:59,847 --> 01:18:01,815
>> thank you.

2251
01:18:01,815 --> 01:18:03,815
>> welcome.

2252
01:18:04,818 --> 01:18:06,818
>>

2253
01:18:07,821 --> 01:18:10,824
so am I --is there anyone else?

2254
01:18:10,824 --> 01:18:13,827
so if mr. Jackson is well

2255
01:18:13,827 --> 01:18:16,830
within his zoning rights, he and

2256
01:18:16,830 --> 01:18:18,830
his company, sorry,

2257
01:18:19,833 --> 01:18:21,833
doni, he

2258
01:18:22,836 --> 01:18:24,836
and his company,

2259
01:18:25,839 --> 01:18:26,840
they own -- they

2260
01:18:26,840 --> 01:18:28,842
have ownership of the property and so

2261
01:18:28,842 --> 01:18:31,845
I know that there are some who are

2262
01:18:31,845 --> 01:18:33,845
definitely not

2263
01:18:33,847 --> 01:18:36,817
in favor and some, this is always

2264
01:18:36,817 --> 01:18:37,818
the case, not everybody is ever happy.

2265
01:18:37,818 --> 01:18:39,820
there are some that are

2266
01:18:39,820 --> 01:18:40,821
absolute it and we need the housing,

2267
01:18:40,821 --> 01:18:42,821
and it

2268
01:18:43,824 --> 01:18:46,827
will improve the golf course by

2269
01:18:46,827 --> 01:18:49,227
some individuals case that

2270
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:52,833
they've made, but what this does come

2271
01:18:52,833 --> 01:18:54,835
down to in my opinion

2272
01:18:54,835 --> 01:18:58,839
is his personal or his privately owned

2273
01:18:58,839 --> 01:18:59,840
ownership rights, so as long as he's

2274
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,840
done and

2275
01:19:01,842 --> 01:19:04,845
will complete everything in the development

2276
01:19:04,845 --> 01:19:07,245
agreement, and do you

2277
01:19:07,814 --> 01:19:09,814
see any

2278
01:19:10,817 --> 01:19:12,817
--foresee, and

2279
01:19:12,819 --> 01:19:13,820
I'm not asking you to have a crystal

2280
01:19:13,820 --> 01:19:16,823
ball, but I guess I kind of

2281
01:19:16,823 --> 01:19:18,823
did, do you

2282
01:19:19,826 --> 01:19:20,827
feel comfortable with this development

2283
01:19:20,827 --> 01:19:21,828
agreement moving

2284
01:19:21,828 --> 01:19:22,829
forward?

2285
01:19:22,829 --> 01:19:23,830
>> staff can support the

2286
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:24,831
development agreement.

2287
01:19:24,831 --> 01:19:25,832
>> all right.

2288
01:19:25,832 --> 01:19:26,834
thank you.

2289
01:19:26,834 --> 01:19:28,834
>> any other

2290
01:19:28,836 --> 01:19:29,837
comments from council? As for a motion

2291
01:19:29,837 --> 01:19:30,838
?

2292
01:19:30,838 --> 01:19:31,839
>>

2293
01:19:31,839 --> 01:19:33,839
thanks,

2294
01:19:34,842 --> 01:19:35,843
doni.

2295
01:19:35,843 --> 01:19:37,843
>>

2296
01:19:40,814 --> 01:19:42,814
I guess

2297
01:19:44,818 --> 01:19:46,818
I have

2298
01:19:46,820 --> 01:19:47,821
--

2299
01:19:47,821 --> 01:19:48,822
>> you're on mission. >> you've got

2300
01:19:48,822 --> 01:19:49,823
to state it.

2301
01:19:49,823 --> 01:19:50,824
>>

2302
01:19:50,824 --> 01:19:51,825
approval of resolution 3462, the infrastructure

2303
01:19:51,825 --> 01:19:53,825
development

2304
01:19:53,827 --> 01:19:56,827
agreement for the payson golf

2305
01:19:59,833 --> 01:20:02,233
club llc. The second?

2306
01:20:02,836 --> 01:20:04,836
>> I second. >>

2307
01:20:05,839 --> 01:20:08,239
call for a vote?

2308
01:20:11,845 --> 01:20:13,845
>> my [ inaudible ] >>

2309
01:20:14,815 --> 01:20:16,817
I had to close out and

2310
01:20:16,817 --> 01:20:17,818
go back in so swipe up, go out of

2311
01:20:17,818 --> 01:20:18,819
it, close

2312
01:20:18,819 --> 01:20:20,821
it and go back in, or both, whatever

2313
01:20:20,821 --> 01:20:22,821
you want.

2314
01:20:29,830 --> 01:20:30,831
>> for some reason it

2315
01:20:30,831 --> 01:20:31,832
was in connection.

2316
01:20:31,832 --> 01:20:32,833
>> is not happy

2317
01:20:32,833 --> 01:20:33,834
with us today.

2318
01:20:33,834 --> 01:20:35,834
>> motion

2319
01:20:38,839 --> 01:20:40,839
passes 7-0.

2320
01:20:41,842 --> 01:20:43,842
item #

2321
01:20:46,847 --> 01:20:48,815
f 2, regarding ordinance 970 amending

2322
01:20:48,815 --> 01:20:50,817
the town of payson code of ordinances by

2323
01:20:50,817 --> 01:20:52,817
adopting

2324
01:20:53,820 --> 01:20:55,820
title 15,

2325
01:20:56,823 --> 01:20:58,823
chapter 150, section

2326
01:20:59,826 --> 01:21:00,827
150.31, wildfire structure

2327
01:21:00,827 --> 01:21:02,829
hardening code pertaining to building

2328
01:21:02,829 --> 01:21:05,829
standards to mitigate the spread

2329
01:21:05,832 --> 01:21:06,834
of fire,

2330
01:21:06,834 --> 01:21:07,835
including severability, revealing

2331
01:21:07,835 --> 01:21:08,836
conflicting ordinances, setting forth

2332
01:21:08,836 --> 01:21:10,836
penalty and establishing

2333
01:21:14,842 --> 01:21:16,842
effective

2334
01:21:17,845 --> 01:21:19,845
date. Okay. Already

2335
01:21:20,814 --> 01:21:21,815
been two

2336
01:21:21,815 --> 01:21:23,817
public hearings regarding this ordinance

2337
01:21:23,817 --> 01:21:25,817
on

2338
01:21:25,819 --> 01:21:26,820
may 14th, 2025. Council tabled this

2339
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:28,822
ordinance and directed staff

2340
01:21:28,822 --> 01:21:29,823
to engage in additional outreach with

2341
01:21:29,823 --> 01:21:30,824
the development

2342
01:21:30,824 --> 01:21:32,826
and construction communities to refine

2343
01:21:32,826 --> 01:21:34,826
the

2344
01:21:38,832 --> 01:21:39,833
ordinance without making

2345
01:21:39,833 --> 01:21:40,834
it too weak to carry weight, and then

2346
01:21:40,834 --> 01:21:41,835
bring it back before the council.

2347
01:21:41,835 --> 01:21:42,836
vice

2348
01:21:42,836 --> 01:21:43,837
mayor tubbs requested the staff report,

2349
01:21:43,837 --> 01:21:47,437
how many builders participated in the

2350
01:21:47,841 --> 01:21:50,844
discussion, and kevin, you don't look

2351
01:21:50,844 --> 01:21:52,844
like

2352
01:21:52,846 --> 01:21:53,847
chief staab. If you're going to present,

2353
01:21:53,847 --> 01:21:54,815
please present.

2354
01:21:54,815 --> 01:21:55,816
>>

2355
01:21:55,816 --> 01:21:59,820
just real quick in your very first

2356
01:21:59,820 --> 01:22:00,821
statement,

2357
01:22:00,821 --> 01:22:02,823
this is not the first time we've heard

2358
01:22:02,823 --> 01:22:03,824
of this.

2359
01:22:03,824 --> 01:22:04,825
>> not the first time.

2360
01:22:04,825 --> 01:22:05,826
>> it's been mentioned a bunch that

2361
01:22:05,826 --> 01:22:08,829
this was sprung on us and it's not

2362
01:22:08,829 --> 01:22:09,830
new.

2363
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:10,831
>> may 14th, to

2364
01:22:10,831 --> 01:22:11,832
be exact, yes.

2365
01:22:11,832 --> 01:22:12,833
>> mr. Mayor, yes I'm

2366
01:22:12,833 --> 01:22:14,833
the one on

2367
01:22:14,835 --> 01:22:15,836
the agenda but

2368
01:22:15,836 --> 01:22:16,837
the reality is chief mcculley has

2369
01:22:16,837 --> 01:22:17,838
been carrying this week all the way

2370
01:22:17,838 --> 01:22:19,838
through

2371
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,845
and so it is honor to send it to the

2372
01:22:24,845 --> 01:22:25,846
council

2373
01:22:25,846 --> 01:22:26,847
>> would you like to make

2374
01:22:26,847 --> 01:22:27,814
an announcement about chief mcculley?

2375
01:22:27,814 --> 01:22:28,815
>> the other

2376
01:22:28,815 --> 01:22:29,816
part of this is battalion chief mcculley,

2377
01:22:29,816 --> 01:22:32,819
as of monday, is now assistant chief

2378
01:22:32,819 --> 01:22:35,219
mcculley and will be

2379
01:22:35,822 --> 01:22:37,822
running operations [ inaudible ]

2380
01:22:38,825 --> 01:22:40,825
>> congratulations. >> that's

2381
01:22:41,828 --> 01:22:43,828
outstanding

2382
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:44,831
news, congratulations.

2383
01:22:44,831 --> 01:22:45,832
>> enjoyed

2384
01:22:45,832 --> 01:22:49,432
working with him and the fire

2385
01:22:49,837 --> 01:22:50,838
department went as we figure out how

2386
01:22:50,838 --> 01:22:51,839
to lead a public safety initiative.

2387
01:22:51,839 --> 01:22:53,839
it

2388
01:22:53,841 --> 01:22:56,241
will be a lot

2389
01:22:56,844 --> 01:22:58,844
of fun

2390
01:22:58,846 --> 01:22:59,847
, along with commander d's.

2391
01:22:59,847 --> 01:23:00,848
>> well-deserved,

2392
01:23:00,848 --> 01:23:01,815
congratulations.

2393
01:23:01,815 --> 01:23:02,816
>> well-deserved. Thank

2394
01:23:02,816 --> 01:23:03,817
you

2395
01:23:03,817 --> 01:23:04,818
very much. It's my honor. Mr. Mayor,

2396
01:23:04,818 --> 01:23:05,819
embers of the town council,

2397
01:23:05,819 --> 01:23:06,820
mr. Manager, thank you for having

2398
01:23:06,820 --> 01:23:10,824
me here to talk to you about this.

2399
01:23:10,824 --> 01:23:11,825
I believe I did have a powerpoint

2400
01:23:11,825 --> 01:23:13,827
so this kind of

2401
01:23:13,827 --> 01:23:17,831
throws me off a little bit but ultimately

2402
01:23:17,831 --> 01:23:19,833
my job here is to give you

2403
01:23:19,833 --> 01:23:20,834
as much facts and information necessary to

2404
01:23:20,834 --> 01:23:22,834
make a good

2405
01:23:23,837 --> 01:23:26,237
decision on this item,

2406
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:28,840
this ordinance. Between

2407
01:23:29,843 --> 01:23:32,846
chief staab and myself we have probably

2408
01:23:32,846 --> 01:23:34,846
over 78 years of

2409
01:23:36,817 --> 01:23:37,818
experience five we are members of

2410
01:23:37,818 --> 01:23:41,418
a national group of firefighters that

2411
01:23:44,825 --> 01:23:45,826
at this

2412
01:23:45,826 --> 01:23:47,828
problem throughout the united states.

2413
01:23:47,828 --> 01:23:48,829
we are also involved in

2414
01:23:48,829 --> 01:23:50,831
efforts to look at the insurance problem

2415
01:23:50,831 --> 01:23:52,831
across the

2416
01:23:53,834 --> 01:23:54,835
united states, especially in the west, so

2417
01:23:54,835 --> 01:23:56,835
we

2418
01:23:56,837 --> 01:23:57,838
don't

2419
01:23:57,838 --> 01:23:59,840
present this information out of a

2420
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,843
vacuum. This is our job for you and

2421
01:24:02,843 --> 01:24:05,846
the town to come up with this information

2422
01:24:05,846 --> 01:24:07,846
and these recommendations.

2423
01:24:08,815 --> 01:24:10,815
so in

2424
01:24:10,817 --> 01:24:11,818
the powerpoint I broke it up into

2425
01:24:11,818 --> 01:24:14,218
kind of three different

2426
01:24:14,821 --> 01:24:16,821
sections. The

2427
01:24:17,824 --> 01:24:19,824
first section was

2428
01:24:19,826 --> 01:24:20,827
a report, synopsis of what we had

2429
01:24:20,827 --> 01:24:23,827
with the meeting, with the

2430
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:25,830
holders.

2431
01:24:26,834 --> 01:24:27,835
we asked

2432
01:24:27,835 --> 01:24:29,837
community development to publicize

2433
01:24:29,837 --> 01:24:30,838
this meeting to the best of their

2434
01:24:30,838 --> 01:24:32,838
abilities,

2435
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:34,840
including emails, advertising

2436
01:24:35,843 --> 01:24:37,843
it on

2437
01:24:38,846 --> 01:24:40,848
the paper. To my knowledge, they

2438
01:24:40,848 --> 01:24:41,815
did that, they went forward and advertised it

2439
01:24:41,815 --> 01:24:44,818
to the best that they could.

2440
01:24:44,818 --> 01:24:47,218
we had seven contractors

2441
01:24:47,821 --> 01:24:52,210
show up for the meeting and in

2442
01:24:53,827 --> 01:24:54,828
that meeting the principal issues

2443
01:24:54,828 --> 01:24:56,828
in

2444
01:24:56,830 --> 01:24:58,830
that meeting --

2445
01:24:58,832 --> 01:24:59,833
and this is going off the top of my

2446
01:24:59,833 --> 01:25:02,833
head, so we were talking

2447
01:25:02,836 --> 01:25:04,836
about

2448
01:25:05,839 --> 01:25:08,842
the eaves, protection of the eaves being

2449
01:25:08,842 --> 01:25:10,842
expensive, protection of

2450
01:25:11,845 --> 01:25:14,815
the docs so in the ordinance, what

2451
01:25:14,815 --> 01:25:17,818
it requires is if you have open

2452
01:25:17,818 --> 01:25:19,818
eaves you have

2453
01:25:20,821 --> 01:25:22,821
ignition

2454
01:25:27,828 --> 01:25:28,829
resistant plywood for the part

2455
01:25:28,829 --> 01:25:30,831
of the event overhangs the wall, if

2456
01:25:30,831 --> 01:25:32,833
that makes sense, so

2457
01:25:32,833 --> 01:25:35,836
right now what happens is that particular

2458
01:25:35,836 --> 01:25:39,840
plywood has to be a special exterior

2459
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:40,841
grade plywood anyway, so

2460
01:25:40,841 --> 01:25:42,843
that's why, when you look at homes

2461
01:25:42,843 --> 01:25:44,843
that are

2462
01:25:44,845 --> 01:25:45,846
being built, that there is like a

2463
01:25:45,846 --> 01:25:46,847
little

2464
01:25:46,847 --> 01:25:47,814
strip around the eaves, if they are

2465
01:25:47,814 --> 01:25:48,815
open eaves. That's a special type

2466
01:25:48,815 --> 01:25:50,815
of plywood

2467
01:25:51,818 --> 01:25:53,818
called cd

2468
01:25:54,821 --> 01:25:57,221
x. So we researched

2469
01:25:57,824 --> 01:26:00,827
the cost. You can readily get

2470
01:26:00,827 --> 01:26:01,828
the

2471
01:26:01,828 --> 01:26:03,830
fire resistant plywood that meets

2472
01:26:03,830 --> 01:26:05,830
that same

2473
01:26:06,834 --> 01:26:08,836
standard and if we

2474
01:26:08,836 --> 01:26:11,836
consider a house that's probably 2600

2475
01:26:15,843 --> 01:26:16,844
square feet , the difference off the

2476
01:26:16,844 --> 01:26:21,644
top of my head, it was somewhere around

2477
01:26:21,815 --> 01:26:23,815
$560 difference in

2478
01:26:24,818 --> 01:26:25,819
the

2479
01:26:25,819 --> 01:26:27,821
past, the fire rated plywood and the

2480
01:26:27,821 --> 01:26:28,822
normal cd x that you would normally

2481
01:26:28,822 --> 01:26:29,823
have

2482
01:26:29,823 --> 01:26:33,423
to use. That's considering that it

2483
01:26:33,827 --> 01:26:36,830
takes 25 four by eight sheets of

2484
01:26:36,830 --> 01:26:38,830
that plywood to

2485
01:26:39,833 --> 01:26:41,835
do that, that eve

2486
01:26:41,835 --> 01:26:42,836
protection. So the second part of

2487
01:26:42,836 --> 01:26:44,836
that

2488
01:26:45,839 --> 01:26:46,840
was the decks. So in

2489
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:48,842
this ordinance we require that the

2490
01:26:48,842 --> 01:26:50,842
structure of

2491
01:26:51,845 --> 01:26:54,815
the deck the initial resistant

2492
01:26:54,815 --> 01:26:57,815
or noncombustible and that the

2493
01:26:57,818 --> 01:26:58,819
deck surface can still be wood but

2494
01:26:58,819 --> 01:27:00,821
with quarter inch gaps between the

2495
01:27:00,821 --> 01:27:02,821
wood. That's based

2496
01:27:03,824 --> 01:27:06,224
on some ib hs

2497
01:27:06,827 --> 01:27:07,828
studies that they tested

2498
01:27:07,828 --> 01:27:09,830
different deck structures and they

2499
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:11,830
found that if

2500
01:27:12,833 --> 01:27:14,835
you had ignition resistant

2501
01:27:14,835 --> 01:27:15,836
structure underneath, that it was

2502
01:27:15,836 --> 01:27:18,236
less likely to catch

2503
01:27:18,839 --> 01:27:22,439
fire from the embers so looking

2504
01:27:24,845 --> 01:27:27,245
at that, there's 2 by 12,

2505
01:27:29,816 --> 01:27:30,817
I believe, 16 foot structural supports for

2506
01:27:30,817 --> 01:27:32,817
the

2507
01:27:35,822 --> 01:27:36,823
deck and those would have to be treated

2508
01:27:36,823 --> 01:27:38,823
in this

2509
01:27:39,826 --> 01:27:42,829
code, and that was about $700 difference

2510
01:27:42,829 --> 01:27:44,829
between the

2511
01:27:45,832 --> 01:27:48,832
normal nontreated wood and the

2512
01:27:48,836 --> 01:27:51,236
treated wood. That's considering

2513
01:27:51,839 --> 01:27:54,239
the 25 two by 12 by

2514
01:27:54,842 --> 01:27:55,843
16 foot in the

2515
01:27:55,843 --> 01:27:57,845
council package there was the quote

2516
01:27:57,845 --> 01:28:00,845
that we got from the

2517
01:28:00,848 --> 01:28:02,848
building supply indicating

2518
01:28:06,820 --> 01:28:08,820
those costs.

2519
01:28:09,823 --> 01:28:12,826
this items were probably the top

2520
01:28:12,826 --> 01:28:14,826
two concerns of

2521
01:28:15,829 --> 01:28:16,830
the

2522
01:28:16,830 --> 01:28:18,832
contractors. First contractors --

2523
01:28:18,832 --> 01:28:21,232
one other concern that

2524
01:28:21,835 --> 01:28:22,836
there probably shared

2525
01:28:22,836 --> 01:28:24,838
concern was the siding on a structure.

2526
01:28:24,838 --> 01:28:26,838
so

2527
01:28:28,842 --> 01:28:30,844
the normal ignition resistant siding

2528
01:28:30,844 --> 01:28:32,844
is actually less

2529
01:28:32,846 --> 01:28:33,847
expensive than regular siding or other

2530
01:28:33,847 --> 01:28:35,847
types

2531
01:28:36,817 --> 01:28:37,818
of siding. If you want to go with

2532
01:28:37,818 --> 01:28:39,818
the wood

2533
01:28:39,820 --> 01:28:42,820
kind of look. If you

2534
01:28:42,823 --> 01:28:43,824
get

2535
01:28:43,824 --> 01:28:45,826
real wood siding, which a couple of

2536
01:28:45,826 --> 01:28:47,828
our developments require, that

2537
01:28:47,828 --> 01:28:51,428
is about 37% more expensive for the

2538
01:28:51,832 --> 01:28:52,833
treated wood. That wood has to be

2539
01:28:52,833 --> 01:28:53,834
special

2540
01:28:53,834 --> 01:28:54,835
ordered and is treated at the factory.

2541
01:28:54,835 --> 01:28:57,235
it's not something you

2542
01:28:57,838 --> 01:29:00,838
can just treat in the

2543
01:29:00,841 --> 01:29:02,841
field but

2544
01:29:03,844 --> 01:29:06,844
from my research it's about 37%

2545
01:29:09,816 --> 01:29:11,818
more expensive. I wish I had my powerpoint.

2546
01:29:11,818 --> 01:29:12,819
it was a little bit better organized.

2547
01:29:12,819 --> 01:29:14,819
so

2548
01:29:15,822 --> 01:29:17,824
from those top three concerns, some

2549
01:29:17,824 --> 01:29:18,825
of the contractors voiced concerns

2550
01:29:18,825 --> 01:29:20,825
that

2551
01:29:21,828 --> 01:29:23,828
the rule

2552
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:24,831
wasn't necessary. We didn't need another

2553
01:29:24,831 --> 01:29:26,831
room to

2554
01:29:27,835 --> 01:29:29,837
comply with and I think one of the

2555
01:29:29,837 --> 01:29:33,437
contractors told me outside of the

2556
01:29:33,841 --> 01:29:34,842
meeting that they

2557
01:29:34,842 --> 01:29:36,844
basically didn't want more rules to

2558
01:29:36,844 --> 01:29:37,845
have to worry about

2559
01:29:37,845 --> 01:29:41,445
building when they're building a house.

2560
01:29:41,815 --> 01:29:42,816
I understand there's a lot of rules

2561
01:29:42,816 --> 01:29:45,819
that they have to comply with. I think

2562
01:29:45,819 --> 01:29:48,219
that's pretty much the

2563
01:29:48,822 --> 01:29:51,222
nutshell of the main

2564
01:29:51,825 --> 01:29:52,826
contractor concerns.

2565
01:29:52,826 --> 01:29:54,826
>> can I

2566
01:29:54,828 --> 01:29:55,829
ask a question?

2567
01:29:55,829 --> 01:29:56,830
>>

2568
01:29:56,830 --> 01:29:57,831
yes sir.

2569
01:29:57,831 --> 01:30:00,831
>> do we have any minutes

2570
01:30:00,834 --> 01:30:02,836
or anything to see what the

2571
01:30:02,836 --> 01:30:03,837
discussions were and how they responded to

2572
01:30:03,837 --> 01:30:05,837
all

2573
01:30:06,840 --> 01:30:07,841
of this? Because I didn't see anything

2574
01:30:07,841 --> 01:30:09,841
published

2575
01:30:11,845 --> 01:30:12,846
anywhere and I've been reading the

2576
01:30:12,846 --> 01:30:15,246
roundup for the past

2577
01:30:15,816 --> 01:30:18,816
10 years, and there might be

2578
01:30:18,819 --> 01:30:21,822
a few roundups I didn't see but

2579
01:30:21,822 --> 01:30:22,823
I

2580
01:30:22,823 --> 01:30:24,825
didn't see any advertisement anywhere

2581
01:30:24,825 --> 01:30:26,825
on this. Maybe

2582
01:30:27,828 --> 01:30:30,831
someone can correct me on this,

2583
01:30:30,831 --> 01:30:31,832
when the advertisements happen.

2584
01:30:31,832 --> 01:30:32,833
>>

2585
01:30:32,833 --> 01:30:33,834
it's on the

2586
01:30:33,834 --> 01:30:34,835
town facebook.

2587
01:30:34,835 --> 01:30:35,836
>> on the town facebook

2588
01:30:35,836 --> 01:30:36,837
so it

2589
01:30:36,837 --> 01:30:38,837
was just the

2590
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:40,841
town facebook.

2591
01:30:40,841 --> 01:30:41,842
>> some people do

2592
01:30:41,842 --> 01:30:42,843
not --someone sent me a screenshot

2593
01:30:42,843 --> 01:30:43,844
asking me about this and I sent

2594
01:30:43,844 --> 01:30:45,846
it to different contractors that I

2595
01:30:45,846 --> 01:30:48,815
knew, that by the time I'd seen it

2596
01:30:48,815 --> 01:30:51,818
and it was sent to me, they had like

2597
01:30:51,818 --> 01:30:53,818
48 hour --they would've

2598
01:30:53,820 --> 01:30:54,821
had 48 hour notice. So I think that

2599
01:30:54,821 --> 01:30:57,221
the timing of this

2600
01:30:57,824 --> 01:30:58,825
meeting and the notification, like

2601
01:30:58,825 --> 01:31:00,825
putting it

2602
01:31:00,827 --> 01:31:03,830
out on the town website probably wasn't

2603
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:04,831
the best way to do it. It would've

2604
01:31:04,831 --> 01:31:06,831
been

2605
01:31:06,834 --> 01:31:07,835
really help if we had that information,

2606
01:31:07,835 --> 01:31:09,835
too, since

2607
01:31:09,837 --> 01:31:10,838
we are the ones that kind of have

2608
01:31:10,838 --> 01:31:12,838
received the

2609
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:13,841
phone calls and the nasty grams it

2610
01:31:13,841 --> 01:31:15,841
would've

2611
01:31:16,844 --> 01:31:18,846
been really helpful to have

2612
01:31:18,846 --> 01:31:19,847
that because if I would've had a little

2613
01:31:19,847 --> 01:31:20,848
bit more time,

2614
01:31:20,848 --> 01:31:22,816
maybe one of us would've been there.

2615
01:31:22,816 --> 01:31:23,817
>> I was going

2616
01:31:23,817 --> 01:31:25,819
to ask, was any councilmember invited to

2617
01:31:25,819 --> 01:31:28,822
any of these meetings or to

2618
01:31:28,822 --> 01:31:31,222
that effect or anything

2619
01:31:31,825 --> 01:31:32,826
at

2620
01:31:32,826 --> 01:31:33,827
all?

2621
01:31:33,827 --> 01:31:34,828
>> so mr. Mayor, councilmember

2622
01:31:34,828 --> 01:31:36,828
bell,

2623
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:37,831
I believe tracy, if I'm not mistaken,

2624
01:31:37,831 --> 01:31:40,231
it was advertised in

2625
01:31:40,834 --> 01:31:42,834
the

2626
01:31:43,837 --> 01:31:45,837
roundup adjust

2627
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:47,841
paper advertisement we

2628
01:31:47,841 --> 01:31:48,842
ran, so it was advertisement around

2629
01:31:48,842 --> 01:31:49,843
it. It was put on social media. It

2630
01:31:49,843 --> 01:31:50,844
was put

2631
01:31:50,844 --> 01:31:52,846
on the website. As far as the council

2632
01:31:52,846 --> 01:31:55,816
being invited, the short answer

2633
01:31:55,816 --> 01:31:57,816
is no because

2634
01:31:57,818 --> 01:31:58,819
we weren't trying to make it a council

2635
01:31:58,819 --> 01:31:59,820
meeting. We were trying

2636
01:31:59,820 --> 01:32:00,821
to have a staff meeting with the contractors.

2637
01:32:00,821 --> 01:32:01,822
we understand the direction from council

2638
01:32:01,822 --> 01:32:02,823
to

2639
01:32:02,823 --> 01:32:04,825
meet was you wanted us to go back

2640
01:32:04,825 --> 01:32:05,826
and meet with the contractors

2641
01:32:05,826 --> 01:32:06,827
and that's what we did was we met

2642
01:32:06,827 --> 01:32:10,831
with the contractors but we did try

2643
01:32:10,831 --> 01:32:11,832
--the other part

2644
01:32:11,832 --> 01:32:13,834
of that is I believe community development

2645
01:32:13,834 --> 01:32:14,835
put out word to

2646
01:32:14,835 --> 01:32:15,836
several of the contractor so we tried

2647
01:32:15,836 --> 01:32:16,837
a number of different ways to get contractors

2648
01:32:16,837 --> 01:32:18,837
and

2649
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,843
we had six, seven days, so the

2650
01:32:22,843 --> 01:32:25,846
other part that I will also remind council is

2651
01:32:25,846 --> 01:32:28,815
this code recommendation has been

2652
01:32:28,815 --> 01:32:29,816
through the council's building

2653
01:32:29,816 --> 01:32:32,816
advisory board, which has contractors

2654
01:32:34,821 --> 01:32:36,823
on it, before we even brought

2655
01:32:36,823 --> 01:32:37,824
it to council the first time . So

2656
01:32:37,824 --> 01:32:38,825
it has had

2657
01:32:38,825 --> 01:32:40,827
a number of public will chappy product.

2658
01:32:40,827 --> 01:32:43,827
it's not been trying to

2659
01:32:46,834 --> 01:32:48,834
detect product

2660
01:32:48,836 --> 01:32:49,837
in any way but there's only so many

2661
01:32:49,837 --> 01:32:50,838
ways

2662
01:32:50,838 --> 01:32:51,839
we have to communicate out to the

2663
01:32:51,839 --> 01:32:52,840
public and different people, as you

2664
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:53,841
mentioned,

2665
01:32:53,841 --> 01:32:55,843
have different ways of reading and

2666
01:32:55,843 --> 01:32:56,844
we tried to do as many as we could.

2667
01:32:56,844 --> 01:32:58,846
>> I'm not accusing. I'm just -->> covering

2668
01:32:58,846 --> 01:32:59,847
our end and your end.

2669
01:32:59,847 --> 01:33:00,848
>>

2670
01:33:00,848 --> 01:33:01,815
just asking. I haven't seen anything.

2671
01:33:01,815 --> 01:33:03,815
>> it's just

2672
01:33:04,818 --> 01:33:06,818
me,

2673
01:33:07,821 --> 01:33:09,823
I'm sure. I'm not a real social

2674
01:33:09,823 --> 01:33:10,824
media guru.

2675
01:33:10,824 --> 01:33:11,825
>> mr. Farris, go ahead.

2676
01:33:11,825 --> 01:33:13,825
>>

2677
01:33:13,827 --> 01:33:16,830
this call --this code, what it

2678
01:33:16,830 --> 01:33:19,830
adds, we already have a

2679
01:33:19,833 --> 01:33:21,833
code.

2680
01:33:21,835 --> 01:33:22,836
you're talking about the 2600 square foot

2681
01:33:22,836 --> 01:33:25,836
home, which is a pretty

2682
01:33:25,839 --> 01:33:27,839
good-sized home that

2683
01:33:27,841 --> 01:33:31,441
you believe that the contractors may

2684
01:33:31,845 --> 01:33:32,846
have discussed would

2685
01:33:32,846 --> 01:33:34,815
be added onto that 2600 square foot

2686
01:33:34,815 --> 01:33:37,215
home today with this

2687
01:33:37,818 --> 01:33:39,818
new code? Doing

2688
01:33:40,821 --> 01:33:42,821
the plus

2689
01:33:43,824 --> 01:33:44,825
and minuses?

2690
01:33:44,825 --> 01:33:45,826
>> if you

2691
01:33:45,826 --> 01:33:46,827
were to have the home that you're

2692
01:33:46,827 --> 01:33:50,831
just looking at the deck, the fire

2693
01:33:50,831 --> 01:33:52,833
resistant nests of the deck and the

2694
01:33:52,833 --> 01:33:55,233
eaves I believe is

2695
01:33:55,836 --> 01:33:57,836
about

2696
01:33:58,839 --> 01:34:00,839
$1200 roughly.

2697
01:34:01,842 --> 01:34:02,843
I

2698
01:34:02,843 --> 01:34:04,845
had the powerpoint but it's hard to

2699
01:34:04,845 --> 01:34:05,846
go off the top of my head. It's

2700
01:34:05,846 --> 01:34:06,847
right around $1200.

2701
01:34:06,847 --> 01:34:07,848
>> in that $1200

2702
01:34:07,848 --> 01:34:10,817
represents what, maybe 75% of the

2703
01:34:10,817 --> 01:34:12,817
added cost that

2704
01:34:13,820 --> 01:34:15,820
the new ordinance

2705
01:34:15,822 --> 01:34:16,823
puts into, creates?

2706
01:34:16,823 --> 01:34:17,824
>> probably, so

2707
01:34:17,824 --> 01:34:19,824
the ordinance

2708
01:34:19,826 --> 01:34:20,827
is designed so that you can

2709
01:34:20,827 --> 01:34:22,829
build your house pretty much any way

2710
01:34:22,829 --> 01:34:23,830
you want. There is no limitations

2711
01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:25,830
on how

2712
01:34:25,832 --> 01:34:27,832
you build

2713
01:34:28,836 --> 01:34:29,837
it so you

2714
01:34:29,837 --> 01:34:30,838
have houses that look identical to

2715
01:34:30,838 --> 01:34:31,839
what they do today. It's just that

2716
01:34:31,839 --> 01:34:33,839
if

2717
01:34:34,842 --> 01:34:37,845
you decide to have open eaves

2718
01:34:37,845 --> 01:34:40,845
or you decide, excuse me,

2719
01:34:40,848 --> 01:34:42,816
to have a deck, then

2720
01:34:42,816 --> 01:34:43,817
there are procedures that you need

2721
01:34:43,817 --> 01:34:45,817
to follow to

2722
01:34:46,820 --> 01:34:47,821
protect those.

2723
01:34:47,821 --> 01:34:48,822
>> that siding

2724
01:34:48,822 --> 01:34:49,823
would be a huge figure if they decide

2725
01:34:49,823 --> 01:34:51,823
to have

2726
01:34:52,826 --> 01:34:53,827
wood and it has to be treated. I mean

2727
01:34:53,827 --> 01:34:55,827
that's

2728
01:34:55,829 --> 01:34:58,229
got to add I

2729
01:34:58,832 --> 01:34:59,833
think --

2730
01:34:59,833 --> 01:35:01,833
>> about

2731
01:35:01,835 --> 01:35:02,836
37%.

2732
01:35:02,836 --> 01:35:04,836
>> what that

2733
01:35:04,838 --> 01:35:06,838
37% represents [ inaudible

2734
01:35:10,844 --> 01:35:12,844
] dollars .

2735
01:35:12,846 --> 01:35:13,847
>> that's part of the reason I did

2736
01:35:13,847 --> 01:35:14,848
it that way, because it's hard to

2737
01:35:14,848 --> 01:35:16,817
quantify that exactly, how much wood

2738
01:35:16,817 --> 01:35:19,820
do you put on the house and how

2739
01:35:19,820 --> 01:35:20,821
big is the house. So the best way

2740
01:35:20,821 --> 01:35:22,821
to

2741
01:35:22,823 --> 01:35:23,824
quantify that would've

2742
01:35:23,824 --> 01:35:24,825
been the percentage.

2743
01:35:24,825 --> 01:35:25,826
>> would it be

2744
01:35:25,826 --> 01:35:28,829
fair to say on an average home,

2745
01:35:28,829 --> 01:35:30,829
your cost

2746
01:35:31,832 --> 01:35:34,832
is substantially less than $5000 more

2747
01:35:34,835 --> 01:35:36,835
with this

2748
01:35:37,838 --> 01:35:39,838
new code than

2749
01:35:40,841 --> 01:35:41,842
the existing?

2750
01:35:41,842 --> 01:35:43,842
>>

2751
01:35:43,844 --> 01:35:47,444
it's hard to quantify that, honestly,

2752
01:35:48,815 --> 01:35:49,816
because there's so many different

2753
01:35:49,816 --> 01:35:50,817
ways to build a house.

2754
01:35:50,817 --> 01:35:52,819
>> I was just thinking, you build

2755
01:35:52,819 --> 01:35:55,822
a house this way and this one

2756
01:35:55,822 --> 01:35:56,823
is built a little

2757
01:35:56,823 --> 01:35:58,825
different we, generally, you would

2758
01:35:58,825 --> 01:36:00,825
think

2759
01:36:00,827 --> 01:36:01,828
that generally there would be a number

2760
01:36:01,828 --> 01:36:03,828
that you

2761
01:36:04,831 --> 01:36:07,835
can say, on average it's going

2762
01:36:07,835 --> 01:36:09,835
to add $3500 to

2763
01:36:13,841 --> 01:36:15,841
the structure.

2764
01:36:16,844 --> 01:36:18,844
>> mr.

2765
01:36:21,815 --> 01:36:22,816
mayor, maybe I can help council understand the

2766
01:36:22,816 --> 01:36:24,816
direction the fire

2767
01:36:25,819 --> 01:36:26,820
department went in

2768
01:36:26,820 --> 01:36:27,821
drafting the code, based on the direction

2769
01:36:27,821 --> 01:36:28,822
from the building advisory board,

2770
01:36:28,822 --> 01:36:31,822
was they wanted a very

2771
01:36:31,825 --> 01:36:33,825
open code that

2772
01:36:34,828 --> 01:36:36,828
didn't make

2773
01:36:40,834 --> 01:36:41,835
cookie-cutter houses, didn't make everything

2774
01:36:41,835 --> 01:36:43,837
cement, a lot of options.'s that was the

2775
01:36:43,837 --> 01:36:44,838
direction we went based

2776
01:36:44,838 --> 01:36:46,840
upon the science, so it's a little difficult

2777
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:47,841
to kind of put your point in because we

2778
01:36:47,841 --> 01:36:48,842
all must

2779
01:36:48,842 --> 01:36:49,843
have to take a building package for

2780
01:36:49,843 --> 01:36:50,844
the house today and then try to get

2781
01:36:50,844 --> 01:36:51,845
a

2782
01:36:51,845 --> 01:36:52,846
building package, is it $5000? Some

2783
01:36:52,846 --> 01:36:54,848
houses might be $5000. Some may

2784
01:36:54,848 --> 01:36:55,816
be more. Not very many less but we

2785
01:36:55,816 --> 01:36:57,816
also have a

2786
01:36:58,819 --> 01:36:59,820
number of builders already that are

2787
01:36:59,820 --> 01:37:01,820
building with the

2788
01:37:01,822 --> 01:37:03,822
materials to code

2789
01:37:06,827 --> 01:37:07,828
already so that's part of the challenge

2790
01:37:07,828 --> 01:37:09,830
with this is we made it

2791
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:10,831
very open on the building advisory

2792
01:37:10,831 --> 01:37:13,231
board so it's not

2793
01:37:13,834 --> 01:37:16,234
--it's performance, not prescriptive.

2794
01:37:16,837 --> 01:37:18,837
>> [

2795
01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:20,841
inaudible ], correct?

2796
01:37:20,841 --> 01:37:21,842
>> that's correct.

2797
01:37:21,842 --> 01:37:22,843
>>

2798
01:37:22,843 --> 01:37:23,844
so that's ecstatic please and but

2799
01:37:23,844 --> 01:37:24,845
you

2800
01:37:24,845 --> 01:37:25,846
can go to a roofing store and get

2801
01:37:25,846 --> 01:37:27,846
synthetic looking roofing

2802
01:37:28,815 --> 01:37:29,816
that looks --

2803
01:37:29,816 --> 01:37:32,216
>> you can get tile

2804
01:37:32,819 --> 01:37:33,820
roof that is like a shake

2805
01:37:33,820 --> 01:37:34,821
shingle roof, correct.

2806
01:37:34,821 --> 01:37:35,822
>> and its

2807
01:37:35,822 --> 01:37:36,823
way cheaper than

2808
01:37:36,823 --> 01:37:38,825
the shake roofs are, the natural shake

2809
01:37:38,825 --> 01:37:40,825
roofs and it

2810
01:37:41,828 --> 01:37:43,828
meets code. I

2811
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:44,831
was recently looking for siding because

2812
01:37:44,831 --> 01:37:46,831
somebody in their

2813
01:37:46,834 --> 01:37:47,835
infinite wisdom sided my house with

2814
01:37:47,835 --> 01:37:49,835
plastic

2815
01:37:50,838 --> 01:37:52,838
and I'm not

2816
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:53,841
thrilled but some of the composites

2817
01:37:53,841 --> 01:37:55,841
that are

2818
01:37:56,844 --> 01:37:58,846
out there with amazing fire

2819
01:37:58,846 --> 01:37:59,847
ratings are cheaper than natural wood

2820
01:37:59,847 --> 01:38:01,847
by

2821
01:38:02,816 --> 01:38:04,816
far so

2822
01:38:05,819 --> 01:38:06,820
given the trade-offs and

2823
01:38:06,820 --> 01:38:08,822
the improvements in the synthetic

2824
01:38:08,822 --> 01:38:10,822
materials

2825
01:38:11,825 --> 01:38:14,225
each year, there may

2826
01:38:14,828 --> 01:38:17,828
be an increase now for

2827
01:38:17,831 --> 01:38:20,834
things like decks but I think going

2828
01:38:20,834 --> 01:38:21,835
forward the cost

2829
01:38:21,835 --> 01:38:23,837
of a hardened code is going to get

2830
01:38:23,837 --> 01:38:25,839
less every year or

2831
01:38:25,839 --> 01:38:26,840
the increase is going to be less as

2832
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:28,840
other

2833
01:38:29,843 --> 01:38:31,845
materials raised in price.

2834
01:38:31,845 --> 01:38:32,846
the synthetic siding was very, very

2835
01:38:32,846 --> 01:38:34,846
reasonable and

2836
01:38:35,816 --> 01:38:36,817
had a very good fire

2837
01:38:36,817 --> 01:38:37,818
rating.

2838
01:38:37,818 --> 01:38:38,819
>> I believe you're correct,

2839
01:38:38,819 --> 01:38:40,819
mr. Mayor. We

2840
01:38:41,822 --> 01:38:43,822
actually had 1800 square

2841
01:38:44,825 --> 01:38:48,425
foot house plan bid out normally

2842
01:38:48,829 --> 01:38:50,831
and with fire resistant siding it

2843
01:38:50,831 --> 01:38:53,834
actually came out less expensive than

2844
01:38:53,834 --> 01:38:54,835
typical and

2845
01:38:54,835 --> 01:38:56,837
the reason for that was the siding

2846
01:38:56,837 --> 01:38:59,237
was so much less

2847
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,842
expensive so I'm seeing that

2848
01:39:01,842 --> 01:39:05,846
because I'm trying to make you understand

2849
01:39:05,846 --> 01:39:07,848
that there's a wide variety

2850
01:39:07,848 --> 01:39:08,815
of that and really we want it that

2851
01:39:08,815 --> 01:39:10,815
way so the

2852
01:39:11,818 --> 01:39:13,818
contractor has that

2853
01:39:13,820 --> 01:39:14,821
ability and the homeowner, the builder,

2854
01:39:14,821 --> 01:39:17,824
they have that ability to build

2855
01:39:17,824 --> 01:39:18,825
it the way they want so

2856
01:39:18,825 --> 01:39:20,827
we're trying to leave that open but

2857
01:39:20,827 --> 01:39:23,227
we are still trying

2858
01:39:23,830 --> 01:39:25,830
to make the

2859
01:39:26,834 --> 01:39:28,834
necessary protections that

2860
01:39:28,836 --> 01:39:29,837
will count. So I vhs is a company

2861
01:39:29,837 --> 01:39:31,837
that is studies

2862
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:35,240
on how houses burn

2863
01:39:35,843 --> 01:39:36,844
in conflagrations and

2864
01:39:36,844 --> 01:39:38,846
wildland fires. They have come up

2865
01:39:38,846 --> 01:39:39,847
with standards that

2866
01:39:39,847 --> 01:39:41,849
depict what the insurance companies

2867
01:39:41,849 --> 01:39:43,849
listen to as

2868
01:39:44,818 --> 01:39:47,218
far as rating their

2869
01:39:50,824 --> 01:39:51,825
risk and I'm not a specialist

2870
01:39:51,825 --> 01:39:53,827
in insurance but I understand insurance

2871
01:39:53,827 --> 01:39:54,828
has a

2872
01:39:54,828 --> 01:39:56,830
wide matrix of different things that

2873
01:39:56,830 --> 01:39:58,830
go

2874
01:39:58,832 --> 01:39:59,833
in to determining that risk so it's

2875
01:39:59,833 --> 01:40:01,833
not just

2876
01:40:05,839 --> 01:40:06,840
here in arizona that we are

2877
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,842
having this issue. Obviously california

2878
01:40:08,842 --> 01:40:10,842
is having that,

2879
01:40:10,844 --> 01:40:11,845
colorado, a lot of different states

2880
01:40:11,845 --> 01:40:13,845
are having this

2881
01:40:13,847 --> 01:40:14,848
insurance issue and ultimately the

2882
01:40:14,848 --> 01:40:15,816
insurance companies, they want to

2883
01:40:15,816 --> 01:40:17,816
make

2884
01:40:17,818 --> 01:40:20,821
money so they make money by

2885
01:40:20,821 --> 01:40:23,824
ensuring houses but they have to limit

2886
01:40:23,824 --> 01:40:25,826
their risks so one

2887
01:40:25,826 --> 01:40:26,827
of the recognized ways to limit that

2888
01:40:26,827 --> 01:40:29,830
risk is following the I vhs

2889
01:40:29,830 --> 01:40:31,830
standard. So with

2890
01:40:32,833 --> 01:40:35,836
that, what we came up with is in

2891
01:40:35,836 --> 01:40:37,836
that meeting the

2892
01:40:38,839 --> 01:40:41,842
contractors ask to take out the eve

2893
01:40:41,842 --> 01:40:43,842
protection in

2894
01:40:43,844 --> 01:40:44,845
the deck protection and really we

2895
01:40:44,845 --> 01:40:47,845
found out that if we

2896
01:40:47,848 --> 01:40:49,816
do that it waters down

2897
01:40:49,816 --> 01:40:50,817
the code so much that it would be

2898
01:40:50,817 --> 01:40:52,817
an

2899
01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:55,822
effective code and obviously the insurance

2900
01:40:55,822 --> 01:40:58,825
companies wouldn't see that as reducing

2901
01:40:58,825 --> 01:40:59,826
the risk so there's a couple different

2902
01:40:59,826 --> 01:41:01,826
items that

2903
01:41:02,829 --> 01:41:05,229
are here that are

2904
01:41:05,832 --> 01:41:08,836
obviously ultimately, if we hardening the

2905
01:41:08,836 --> 01:41:10,836
structures it's an

2906
01:41:10,838 --> 01:41:11,839
important part of the [ inaudible

2907
01:41:11,839 --> 01:41:13,841
] code and the vegetation code that

2908
01:41:13,841 --> 01:41:14,842
we already have but to harden the

2909
01:41:14,842 --> 01:41:17,242
structures, what that does

2910
01:41:17,845 --> 01:41:20,845
is reduce the chance of

2911
01:41:20,848 --> 01:41:23,817
conflagrations so you look at

2912
01:41:23,817 --> 01:41:25,819
these fires, like the marshall

2913
01:41:25,819 --> 01:41:26,820
fire in colorado, that was only a

2914
01:41:26,820 --> 01:41:29,220
6000 acre fire and they

2915
01:41:31,825 --> 01:41:32,826
lost over 1000 structures. I think

2916
01:41:32,826 --> 01:41:35,829
it was in the billions of dollars

2917
01:41:35,829 --> 01:41:38,832
that it cost but that was a structure

2918
01:41:38,832 --> 01:41:40,832
to structure

2919
01:41:41,835 --> 01:41:43,837
ignition and I vhs

2920
01:41:43,837 --> 01:41:44,838
has found that if you harden the structures

2921
01:41:44,838 --> 01:41:46,838
they are resistant

2922
01:41:47,841 --> 01:41:50,844
to that. It might not complete the

2923
01:41:50,844 --> 01:41:53,847
stop that from happening but the

2924
01:41:53,847 --> 01:41:54,848
way it kind of works is once structure

2925
01:41:54,848 --> 01:41:56,817
starts and it's

2926
01:41:56,817 --> 01:41:58,819
kind of like a plan

2927
01:41:58,819 --> 01:41:59,820
to gain, it will go from structure to

2928
01:41:59,820 --> 01:42:00,821
structure so if you can keep

2929
01:42:00,821 --> 01:42:02,823
that first structure from starting

2930
01:42:02,823 --> 01:42:03,824
or

2931
01:42:03,824 --> 01:42:05,826
reduce the second structure, the chances

2932
01:42:05,826 --> 01:42:06,827
the second structure starts, that

2933
01:42:06,827 --> 01:42:08,827
reduces

2934
01:42:08,829 --> 01:42:10,829
your risks all

2935
01:42:11,832 --> 01:42:13,832
the structures

2936
01:42:14,835 --> 01:42:16,835
get damaged.

2937
01:42:20,841 --> 01:42:23,241
>> I used my computer. >>

2938
01:42:23,844 --> 01:42:24,845
go ahead.

2939
01:42:24,845 --> 01:42:26,847
>> so kevin, I appreciate all

2940
01:42:26,847 --> 01:42:30,447
the work that you've done on

2941
01:42:31,818 --> 01:42:32,819
this and I am an extremist when it

2942
01:42:32,819 --> 01:42:35,819
comes to fire wise. My

2943
01:42:35,822 --> 01:42:37,822
big issue is

2944
01:42:38,825 --> 01:42:41,828
a cost for the consumer. No

2945
01:42:41,828 --> 01:42:44,831
matter what, it's going to continue

2946
01:42:44,831 --> 01:42:47,831
to increase in cost 40 consumer.

2947
01:42:47,835 --> 01:42:49,835
we had 60% increase

2948
01:42:51,839 --> 01:42:53,841
since david for building materials

2949
01:42:53,841 --> 01:42:54,842
and then we are adding this, and it's

2950
01:42:54,842 --> 01:42:56,842
not about

2951
01:42:56,844 --> 01:42:58,846
what the contract --

2952
01:42:58,846 --> 01:42:59,847
contractor wants, it's about what's

2953
01:42:59,847 --> 01:43:02,816
really best for the consumer

2954
01:43:02,816 --> 01:43:05,819
here and so we've had as far as

2955
01:43:05,819 --> 01:43:07,819
a town, and

2956
01:43:08,822 --> 01:43:11,822
this is some very key

2957
01:43:11,825 --> 01:43:14,225
things that kind of

2958
01:43:14,828 --> 01:43:15,829
made sense is that we have increased

2959
01:43:15,829 --> 01:43:17,829
our

2960
01:43:17,831 --> 01:43:19,831
sales

2961
01:43:19,833 --> 01:43:20,834
tax, which costs more to build here.

2962
01:43:20,834 --> 01:43:23,234
you want to live

2963
01:43:23,837 --> 01:43:26,840
here and play here, you've got

2964
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,843
to pay to live here and play

2965
01:43:29,843 --> 01:43:30,844
here, but in all reality, I do have

2966
01:43:30,844 --> 01:43:32,844
a question

2967
01:43:33,847 --> 01:43:36,247
and I'm not really

2968
01:43:36,817 --> 01:43:40,417
trying to be picky against you,

2969
01:43:41,822 --> 01:43:42,823
I just need to know these things for

2970
01:43:42,823 --> 01:43:43,824
myself and my own

2971
01:43:43,824 --> 01:43:45,826
education. The cost estimate that

2972
01:43:45,826 --> 01:43:47,826
was

2973
01:43:48,829 --> 01:43:51,829
done, was this done and

2974
01:43:51,832 --> 01:43:52,833
created by a

2975
01:43:52,833 --> 01:43:54,835
rim country contractor who did the

2976
01:43:54,835 --> 01:43:56,835
cost estimates

2977
01:43:56,837 --> 01:43:57,838
package, and where those --and if

2978
01:43:57,838 --> 01:43:58,839
not, where

2979
01:43:58,839 --> 01:44:00,841
at least those estimates, where they

2980
01:44:00,841 --> 01:44:02,841
from a

2981
01:44:03,844 --> 01:44:05,844
local

2982
01:44:05,846 --> 01:44:06,847
business here like the r and k or

2983
01:44:06,847 --> 01:44:08,847
what used

2984
01:44:09,816 --> 01:44:11,818
to be the r

2985
01:44:11,818 --> 01:44:12,819
and k? Because I know that our prices

2986
01:44:12,819 --> 01:44:15,219
here are a lot

2987
01:44:15,822 --> 01:44:18,222
different than other cities,

2988
01:44:18,825 --> 01:44:19,826
towns, states. We

2989
01:44:19,826 --> 01:44:21,828
already pay a little bit of premium

2990
01:44:21,828 --> 01:44:23,828
so

2991
01:44:24,831 --> 01:44:27,231
I will tell you

2992
01:44:27,835 --> 01:44:29,835
that yes,

2993
01:44:29,837 --> 01:44:31,839
the insurance, in talking to some

2994
01:44:31,839 --> 01:44:33,841
insurance agents, this is not going

2995
01:44:33,841 --> 01:44:35,841
to be

2996
01:44:36,844 --> 01:44:37,845
our fix all

2997
01:44:37,845 --> 01:44:39,847
for our homeowners insurance. Our

2998
01:44:39,847 --> 01:44:42,816
biggest issue that we have

2999
01:44:42,816 --> 01:44:45,816
is our brush and being

3000
01:44:45,819 --> 01:44:47,819
actually our defensible

3001
01:44:48,822 --> 01:44:50,822
space as,

3002
01:44:50,824 --> 01:44:51,825
was it gino pointed out in his letter,

3003
01:44:51,825 --> 01:44:53,825
that is a

3004
01:44:54,828 --> 01:44:56,828
true fact

3005
01:44:57,831 --> 01:44:59,833
so again, you know

3006
01:44:59,833 --> 01:45:00,834
we have to --I feel like we have to

3007
01:45:00,834 --> 01:45:02,834
be

3008
01:45:03,837 --> 01:45:07,437
wise about this and if this

3009
01:45:09,843 --> 01:45:12,846
is the to know what I

3010
01:45:12,846 --> 01:45:13,847
don't

3011
01:45:13,847 --> 01:45:15,816
see maybe and maybe I'm wrong, I'm not

3012
01:45:15,816 --> 01:45:18,216
a builder. I don't

3013
01:45:18,819 --> 01:45:19,820
do that but the labor in the

3014
01:45:19,820 --> 01:45:24,200
eaves have to be in additional cost

3015
01:45:24,825 --> 01:45:27,828
to this, if I'm not mistaken.

3016
01:45:27,828 --> 01:45:29,830
okay. So did we factor that in?

3017
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:33,834
those are other things that I think

3018
01:45:33,834 --> 01:45:36,834
are key things to think

3019
01:45:36,837 --> 01:45:39,840
about. I just am not --I'm not

3020
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,240
comfortable with this because

3021
01:45:42,843 --> 01:45:45,843
I feel like the consumer

3022
01:45:45,846 --> 01:45:47,846
is continually

3023
01:45:47,848 --> 01:45:48,849
chased and bid at for every dollar,

3024
01:45:48,849 --> 01:45:50,849
and

3025
01:45:51,818 --> 01:45:54,821
when you are in the process of

3026
01:45:54,821 --> 01:45:55,822
redoing

3027
01:45:55,822 --> 01:45:57,824
your home, renovating, things like

3028
01:45:57,824 --> 01:45:59,824
that,

3029
01:45:59,826 --> 01:46:00,827
that is --maybe that's the issue.

3030
01:46:00,827 --> 01:46:03,827
maybe that's where we look

3031
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:05,832
into it but I mean if we

3032
01:46:05,832 --> 01:46:06,834
look at the number of homes that we

3033
01:46:06,834 --> 01:46:09,234
have under construction, we

3034
01:46:09,837 --> 01:46:12,837
are landlocked here. We only

3035
01:46:12,840 --> 01:46:14,840
have so many

3036
01:46:14,842 --> 01:46:15,843
to go. Wet is the benefits going to

3037
01:46:15,843 --> 01:46:16,844
outweigh? We

3038
01:46:16,844 --> 01:46:18,846
don't want to give any reason to chase

3039
01:46:18,846 --> 01:46:20,846
off

3040
01:46:21,849 --> 01:46:23,817
taxpayers because we priced

3041
01:46:23,817 --> 01:46:24,818
ourselves we put ourselves into a

3042
01:46:24,818 --> 01:46:26,818
position, I

3043
01:46:27,821 --> 01:46:30,824
should say, to price them out our market.

3044
01:46:30,824 --> 01:46:32,826
we are already --we

3045
01:46:32,826 --> 01:46:33,827
have that issue with our low income,

3046
01:46:33,827 --> 01:46:35,827
our people on

3047
01:46:36,830 --> 01:46:37,831
fixed incomes, so I just sensitive

3048
01:46:37,831 --> 01:46:39,831
to

3049
01:46:39,833 --> 01:46:42,833
that, that I --it's --

3050
01:46:42,836 --> 01:46:45,836
I'm sorry, the builders, they

3051
01:46:45,839 --> 01:46:48,842
are going to pass it on. They're

3052
01:46:48,842 --> 01:46:49,843
not

3053
01:46:49,843 --> 01:46:51,845
going to make anything on it. They're

3054
01:46:51,845 --> 01:46:52,846
going to pass it on and ultimately

3055
01:46:52,846 --> 01:46:53,847
it's

3056
01:46:53,847 --> 01:46:54,848
going to be the consumer's pocket, so

3057
01:46:54,848 --> 01:46:56,817
I just --unless

3058
01:46:56,817 --> 01:46:57,818
I absolutely we saw those numbers,

3059
01:46:57,818 --> 01:46:59,818
I would also

3060
01:47:00,821 --> 01:47:02,823
have been a little

3061
01:47:02,823 --> 01:47:03,824
bit more -- maybe it's just being a

3062
01:47:03,824 --> 01:47:06,224
control freak but I

3063
01:47:06,827 --> 01:47:09,227
would've liked to have

3064
01:47:09,830 --> 01:47:10,831
some more information about that meeting

3065
01:47:10,831 --> 01:47:12,831
that

3066
01:47:12,833 --> 01:47:14,833
they had as

3067
01:47:15,836 --> 01:47:18,839
well but at this time I can't

3068
01:47:18,839 --> 01:47:21,842
support this. I can't vote on

3069
01:47:21,842 --> 01:47:22,843
this.

3070
01:47:22,843 --> 01:47:24,845
>> you bring up some excellent

3071
01:47:24,845 --> 01:47:26,845
points and

3072
01:47:29,816 --> 01:47:30,817
some that I would appreciate the chance to address,

3073
01:47:30,817 --> 01:47:32,817
if you don't

3074
01:47:33,820 --> 01:47:34,821
mind.

3075
01:47:34,821 --> 01:47:35,822
>> absolutely, please, please,

3076
01:47:35,822 --> 01:47:36,823
because I had surgery the day before

3077
01:47:36,823 --> 01:47:39,826
and was not --I appreciate that so

3078
01:47:39,826 --> 01:47:40,827
thank you.

3079
01:47:40,827 --> 01:47:41,828
>> so we did use

3080
01:47:41,828 --> 01:47:42,829
arizona building supply here in town

3081
01:47:42,829 --> 01:47:45,229
to get these prices.

3082
01:47:45,832 --> 01:47:48,836
we did talk to their wholesale folks

3083
01:47:48,836 --> 01:47:51,236
in phoenix about the

3084
01:47:51,839 --> 01:47:54,839
availability of that material specifically,

3085
01:47:57,845 --> 01:48:00,845
the treated 2 by 12 by 16 and

3086
01:48:00,848 --> 01:48:03,817
the plywood, and as far

3087
01:48:03,817 --> 01:48:06,820
as more costly to use a

3088
01:48:06,820 --> 01:48:08,820
different type

3089
01:48:09,823 --> 01:48:12,223
of plywood, it's just

3090
01:48:12,826 --> 01:48:14,826
the same --it's

3091
01:48:15,829 --> 01:48:16,830
the same procedure. Still that eave

3092
01:48:16,830 --> 01:48:18,830
has

3093
01:48:18,832 --> 01:48:21,832
to have the different type

3094
01:48:21,835 --> 01:48:23,835
of plywood

3095
01:48:23,837 --> 01:48:24,838
on it for the extra rating. All this

3096
01:48:24,838 --> 01:48:26,838
is

3097
01:48:27,841 --> 01:48:30,844
adding the plywood would be fire

3098
01:48:30,844 --> 01:48:33,844
resistant so the cost in

3099
01:48:33,847 --> 01:48:36,817
manual labor to do that,

3100
01:48:36,817 --> 01:48:39,820
I question that. I think you

3101
01:48:39,820 --> 01:48:41,822
talk about, so the

3102
01:48:41,822 --> 01:48:45,422
manufactured homes, I spoke to clayton

3103
01:48:45,826 --> 01:48:46,827
holmes and they're actually

3104
01:48:46,827 --> 01:48:48,829
in goodyear, I believe. They said

3105
01:48:48,829 --> 01:48:50,829
their package

3106
01:48:51,832 --> 01:48:54,835
is $1800. That adds to the cost

3107
01:48:54,835 --> 01:48:57,235
of a manufactured home.

3108
01:48:57,838 --> 01:49:00,238
the national manufactured home

3109
01:49:00,841 --> 01:49:01,842
association said that's not a

3110
01:49:01,842 --> 01:49:03,844
problem to build homes, manufactured

3111
01:49:03,844 --> 01:49:06,847
home like that. They build homes

3112
01:49:06,847 --> 01:49:08,847
in oberdick and

3113
01:49:08,849 --> 01:49:11,849
withstand hurricanes, and so it's

3114
01:49:14,821 --> 01:49:15,822
not unusual to have different requirements in

3115
01:49:15,822 --> 01:49:18,222
different areas of the

3116
01:49:18,825 --> 01:49:21,828
country. I would also --two more

3117
01:49:21,828 --> 01:49:22,829
things that I would submit for you

3118
01:49:22,829 --> 01:49:24,829
to consider

3119
01:49:24,831 --> 01:49:26,831
is that if

3120
01:49:30,838 --> 01:49:32,838
homeowners insurance somehow

3121
01:49:33,841 --> 01:49:35,841
isn't controlled

3122
01:49:36,844 --> 01:49:39,847
or mitigated, and I have seen

3123
01:49:39,847 --> 01:49:41,847
this personally

3124
01:49:41,849 --> 01:49:42,816
within payson already, people losing

3125
01:49:42,816 --> 01:49:43,817
their homeowners insurance or having

3126
01:49:43,817 --> 01:49:45,817
their insurance

3127
01:49:45,819 --> 01:49:48,219
go up astronomically, so

3128
01:49:48,822 --> 01:49:51,822
if you consider a homeowners

3129
01:49:52,826 --> 01:49:55,226
insurance going from $1500 a

3130
01:49:55,829 --> 01:49:57,831
year to 6000 dollars a year,

3131
01:49:57,831 --> 01:50:00,831
you know that's almost another $500

3132
01:50:01,835 --> 01:50:04,838
a month in your mortgage payment

3133
01:50:04,838 --> 01:50:06,838
to make that

3134
01:50:07,841 --> 01:50:09,841
insurance

3135
01:50:10,844 --> 01:50:13,844
payment. So I'm not guaranteeing

3136
01:50:13,847 --> 01:50:14,848
that this -- I can't guarantee

3137
01:50:14,848 --> 01:50:15,816
all the insurance companies would

3138
01:50:15,816 --> 01:50:16,817
look at this as being something that

3139
01:50:16,817 --> 01:50:17,818
mitigated

3140
01:50:17,818 --> 01:50:22,180
their risk because I can't speak for

3141
01:50:22,823 --> 01:50:23,824
them and they all have their

3142
01:50:23,824 --> 01:50:25,826
own matrix and ways that they figured

3143
01:50:25,826 --> 01:50:27,828
out that risk but

3144
01:50:27,828 --> 01:50:28,829
I bhs is who they listen to and they

3145
01:50:28,829 --> 01:50:29,830
have

3146
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:31,832
recommended this is a way to reduce

3147
01:50:31,832 --> 01:50:33,832
their risks so

3148
01:50:35,836 --> 01:50:36,837
I would think that. Another thing

3149
01:50:36,837 --> 01:50:40,841
that I had in my slideshow that I

3150
01:50:40,841 --> 01:50:41,842
think is --

3151
01:50:41,842 --> 01:50:43,842
>> where was your

3152
01:50:45,846 --> 01:50:46,847
slideshow? Kevin?

3153
01:50:46,847 --> 01:50:48,847
>> I know, flying

3154
01:50:48,849 --> 01:50:49,816
by the seat of my pants here so in

3155
01:50:49,816 --> 01:50:51,816
the hawaii,

3156
01:50:52,819 --> 01:50:55,822
the lahaina fire, it wasn't a

3157
01:50:55,822 --> 01:50:58,222
large fire, similar to

3158
01:50:58,825 --> 01:51:00,827
the marshall fire in colorado,

3159
01:51:00,827 --> 01:51:01,828
but it did billions of dollars worth

3160
01:51:01,828 --> 01:51:02,829
of damage to

3161
01:51:02,829 --> 01:51:04,831
those homes, and is to be homes, if

3162
01:51:04,831 --> 01:51:07,835
you've ever been to maui, they

3163
01:51:07,835 --> 01:51:08,836
all

3164
01:51:08,836 --> 01:51:09,837
had shake shingle roofs. They really

3165
01:51:09,837 --> 01:51:12,837
weren't built for fires. Interesting

3166
01:51:13,841 --> 01:51:15,841
part of that

3167
01:51:16,844 --> 01:51:17,845
whole thing

3168
01:51:17,845 --> 01:51:19,847
, insurance companies wanted to go

3169
01:51:19,847 --> 01:51:22,247
individually against the state

3170
01:51:22,816 --> 01:51:25,216
and the county and

3171
01:51:26,820 --> 01:51:28,822
electric companies, and what do they

3172
01:51:28,822 --> 01:51:32,422
call it when they go after

3173
01:51:34,828 --> 01:51:35,829
their insurance --subrogate.

3174
01:51:35,829 --> 01:51:37,831
they were trying to individually subrogate

3175
01:51:37,831 --> 01:51:39,831
against the county,

3176
01:51:40,834 --> 01:51:42,836
the state, the power

3177
01:51:42,836 --> 01:51:43,837
companies on each person's behalf

3178
01:51:43,837 --> 01:51:45,837
and they

3179
01:51:46,840 --> 01:51:49,843
took it to I think the hawaii

3180
01:51:49,843 --> 01:51:51,845
supreme court, and they

3181
01:51:51,845 --> 01:51:52,846
said no, that's unreasonable. But

3182
01:51:52,846 --> 01:51:54,846
out

3183
01:51:54,848 --> 01:51:55,849
of that, there was a settlement, I

3184
01:51:55,849 --> 01:51:56,817
think a $4

3185
01:51:56,817 --> 01:51:58,819
million settlement against the state

3186
01:51:58,819 --> 01:52:00,819
of hawaii, the

3187
01:52:01,822 --> 01:52:04,222
county of maui, and

3188
01:52:04,825 --> 01:52:07,825
the electrical companies. So you

3189
01:52:07,828 --> 01:52:10,828
look at the palisades fire

3190
01:52:10,831 --> 01:52:11,832
in

3191
01:52:11,832 --> 01:52:13,834
l.a., they're going to have lawsuits

3192
01:52:13,834 --> 01:52:16,234
similar to that and

3193
01:52:16,837 --> 01:52:18,837
that fire as

3194
01:52:18,839 --> 01:52:19,840
well, against the county and the state,

3195
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,840
which is, as far as

3196
01:52:22,843 --> 01:52:23,844
I know, fairly unique and kind of

3197
01:52:23,844 --> 01:52:25,844
a

3198
01:52:25,846 --> 01:52:28,846
new term in the fire

3199
01:52:28,849 --> 01:52:31,249
damage and recovery of

3200
01:52:31,818 --> 01:52:33,818
that

3201
01:52:34,821 --> 01:52:36,821
cost. So

3202
01:52:36,823 --> 01:52:37,824
how much does that reduce our income

3203
01:52:37,824 --> 01:52:39,824
to

3204
01:52:43,830 --> 01:52:46,230
the town ? How much?

3205
01:52:46,834 --> 01:52:49,837
I'm not a lawyer, either. How much

3206
01:52:49,837 --> 01:52:52,837
liability could that cause for

3207
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:53,841
the town if we had

3208
01:52:53,841 --> 01:52:55,843
a fire? Part of my presentation also

3209
01:52:55,843 --> 01:52:58,846
was that these fires were not

3210
01:52:58,846 --> 01:53:01,846
huge fires that people think

3211
01:53:01,849 --> 01:53:03,849
of as

3212
01:53:07,821 --> 01:53:08,822
swelling up [ inaudible ]

3213
01:53:08,822 --> 01:53:10,824
point they're smaller fires and we get those all

3214
01:53:10,824 --> 01:53:12,826
the time in payson, that are the same

3215
01:53:12,826 --> 01:53:13,827
magnitude as these fires. The argument

3216
01:53:13,827 --> 01:53:16,227
that this will never

3217
01:53:16,830 --> 01:53:19,830
happen here is not a

3218
01:53:19,833 --> 01:53:21,833
good argument

3219
01:53:22,836 --> 01:53:23,837
. You get fires if you've been up

3220
01:53:23,837 --> 01:53:24,838
and down

3221
01:53:24,838 --> 01:53:25,839
87. You see fires on the roadside.

3222
01:53:25,839 --> 01:53:26,840
there's multiple, multiple starts

3223
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:28,842
in our area. Fortunately

3224
01:53:28,842 --> 01:53:30,844
we have very good

3225
01:53:30,844 --> 01:53:31,845
response to those starts and they're

3226
01:53:31,845 --> 01:53:34,245
able to put them

3227
01:53:37,818 --> 01:53:39,818
out early

3228
01:53:39,820 --> 01:53:40,821
. But the conditions just like they

3229
01:53:40,821 --> 01:53:41,822
were in lahaina or at the

3230
01:53:41,822 --> 01:53:43,824
marshall fire, conditions are right, we

3231
01:53:43,824 --> 01:53:46,224
could be in trouble.

3232
01:53:46,827 --> 01:53:48,827
hopefully

3233
01:53:48,829 --> 01:53:49,830
I can --those, to me, are important

3234
01:53:49,830 --> 01:53:51,830
facts in deciding

3235
01:53:52,833 --> 01:53:53,834
this.

3236
01:53:53,834 --> 01:53:55,834
>>

3237
01:53:55,836 --> 01:53:58,839
where you failed at our vegetation

3238
01:53:58,839 --> 01:54:00,839
removal requirement for

3239
01:54:00,841 --> 01:54:01,842
what we have, do you have enough teeth

3240
01:54:01,842 --> 01:54:04,242
for that to make

3241
01:54:07,848 --> 01:54:08,849
an impact?

3242
01:54:08,849 --> 01:54:10,817
>> the teeth

3243
01:54:10,817 --> 01:54:12,817
are there.

3244
01:54:13,820 --> 01:54:16,220
the teeth are there.

3245
01:54:16,823 --> 01:54:18,823
it

3246
01:54:19,826 --> 01:54:20,827
takes -- honestly I'm just --he takes

3247
01:54:20,827 --> 01:54:22,827
people

3248
01:54:22,829 --> 01:54:24,829
to enforce

3249
01:54:24,831 --> 01:54:25,832
that and time, staff time to enforce

3250
01:54:25,832 --> 01:54:27,832
that.

3251
01:54:30,838 --> 01:54:31,839
I think the ordinance that we have

3252
01:54:31,839 --> 01:54:33,841
as far as vegetation

3253
01:54:33,841 --> 01:54:34,842
management is very good and the teeth

3254
01:54:34,842 --> 01:54:36,842
are there

3255
01:54:37,845 --> 01:54:38,846
for that.

3256
01:54:38,846 --> 01:54:40,846
>>

3257
01:54:40,848 --> 01:54:42,848
thank

3258
01:54:43,817 --> 01:54:44,818
you.

3259
01:54:44,818 --> 01:54:45,819
>>

3260
01:54:45,819 --> 01:54:46,820
from what I understand, this is the

3261
01:54:46,820 --> 01:54:47,821
first reading of the ordinance.

3262
01:54:47,821 --> 01:54:48,822
>> no,

3263
01:54:48,822 --> 01:54:49,823
this is the third time we brought

3264
01:54:49,823 --> 01:54:52,223
it up in council.

3265
01:54:52,826 --> 01:54:55,226
>> because of the space

3266
01:54:55,829 --> 01:54:56,830
of time, one thing that I think the

3267
01:54:56,830 --> 01:54:58,830
contractor

3268
01:54:58,832 --> 01:55:01,835
said about fire wise is what a huge

3269
01:55:01,835 --> 01:55:04,838
impact that could be and I think

3270
01:55:04,838 --> 01:55:07,838
that's where we need to

3271
01:55:09,843 --> 01:55:10,844
really focus. I'm not saying this

3272
01:55:10,844 --> 01:55:12,844
shouldn't

3273
01:55:13,847 --> 01:55:14,848
be approved. I probably will prove

3274
01:55:14,848 --> 01:55:16,848
it. One

3275
01:55:19,820 --> 01:55:21,820
reason, too ,

3276
01:55:21,822 --> 01:55:22,823
is we're going to probably get some

3277
01:55:22,823 --> 01:55:23,824
developments that we could have a

3278
01:55:23,824 --> 01:55:25,826
whole bunch of manufactured homes

3279
01:55:25,826 --> 01:55:26,827
come in and they're all in one area,

3280
01:55:26,827 --> 01:55:28,829
and I think it

3281
01:55:28,829 --> 01:55:29,830
would be done if all

3282
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:31,832
those homes where according to the

3283
01:55:31,832 --> 01:55:33,832
hardening code.

3284
01:55:34,835 --> 01:55:36,835
that's all

3285
01:55:37,838 --> 01:55:38,839
I got.

3286
01:55:38,839 --> 01:55:39,840
>>

3287
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:40,841
susie covered what I kind of want

3288
01:55:40,841 --> 01:55:42,841
to

3289
01:55:43,844 --> 01:55:44,845
talk about. Are you seeing any improvement

3290
01:55:44,845 --> 01:55:46,845
in the

3291
01:55:46,847 --> 01:55:48,847
town for

3292
01:55:49,816 --> 01:55:52,216
fire wising and is

3293
01:55:52,819 --> 01:55:55,822
there anything the town can do

3294
01:55:55,822 --> 01:55:58,822
to promote more fire wising

3295
01:56:01,828 --> 01:56:04,831
or doing --do we need a code officer

3296
01:56:04,831 --> 01:56:07,231
going out, looking more

3297
01:56:07,835 --> 01:56:09,835
frequently into

3298
01:56:10,838 --> 01:56:12,838
fire wise,

3299
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:13,841
what needs to be done in the town?

3300
01:56:13,841 --> 01:56:15,843
it seems like if we are

3301
01:56:15,843 --> 01:56:20,643
going to pass this that the town has

3302
01:56:20,848 --> 01:56:21,849
to be

3303
01:56:21,849 --> 01:56:23,817
fire wising everything itself in order

3304
01:56:23,817 --> 01:56:26,817
to be effective because you're

3305
01:56:27,821 --> 01:56:29,823
talking about from the beginning,

3306
01:56:29,823 --> 01:56:31,825
a small population of

3307
01:56:31,825 --> 01:56:32,826
the new homes versus all the old homes

3308
01:56:32,826 --> 01:56:33,827
that

3309
01:56:33,827 --> 01:56:35,829
are here in town, and if the older

3310
01:56:35,829 --> 01:56:37,829
homes have

3311
01:56:37,831 --> 01:56:38,832
fire wising problems, what's the benefit?

3312
01:56:38,832 --> 01:56:39,833
that's

3313
01:56:39,833 --> 01:56:41,835
rhetorical. But I'm interested in

3314
01:56:41,835 --> 01:56:43,835
knowing

3315
01:56:43,837 --> 01:56:44,838
what the community is doing for fire

3316
01:56:44,838 --> 01:56:46,838
wising and

3317
01:56:47,841 --> 01:56:50,241
what the town code

3318
01:56:50,844 --> 01:56:52,844
officer is doing

3319
01:56:53,847 --> 01:56:54,848
to --

3320
01:56:54,848 --> 01:56:55,849
>> I think council

3321
01:56:55,849 --> 01:56:56,817
lubell, I appreciate all the back

3322
01:56:56,817 --> 01:56:57,818
and

3323
01:56:57,818 --> 01:57:00,821
forth and everything but you have to

3324
01:57:00,821 --> 01:57:02,823
start somewhere. If you never create

3325
01:57:02,823 --> 01:57:05,826
an ordinance it's going to just

3326
01:57:05,826 --> 01:57:08,826
continue you. So to go

3327
01:57:08,829 --> 01:57:10,831
back and forth and argue

3328
01:57:10,831 --> 01:57:11,832
about fire-wise, which we can appreciate

3329
01:57:11,832 --> 01:57:13,832
and we can

3330
01:57:13,834 --> 01:57:17,838
review that, but you know if you don't

3331
01:57:17,838 --> 01:57:19,838
start somewhere, it's

3332
01:57:20,841 --> 01:57:22,841
never going

3333
01:57:22,843 --> 01:57:23,844
to improve.

3334
01:57:23,844 --> 01:57:24,845
>> if I can, mr. Mayor,

3335
01:57:24,845 --> 01:57:26,845
if I'm jumping

3336
01:57:26,847 --> 01:57:27,848
on the

3337
01:57:27,848 --> 01:57:28,849
manager's comment, I'd like to remind

3338
01:57:28,849 --> 01:57:29,816
his council because I don't know if

3339
01:57:29,816 --> 01:57:30,817
anyone

3340
01:57:30,817 --> 01:57:32,819
on the council was here when we started

3341
01:57:32,819 --> 01:57:33,820
this process.

3342
01:57:33,820 --> 01:57:35,822
this process and the building, councilmember

3343
01:57:35,822 --> 01:57:37,824
ferris was, when he was on the

3344
01:57:37,824 --> 01:57:38,825
council previously. We brought forward

3345
01:57:38,825 --> 01:57:39,826
a

3346
01:57:39,826 --> 01:57:41,828
code that the council didn't want

3347
01:57:41,828 --> 01:57:42,829
and we were

3348
01:57:42,829 --> 01:57:44,831
asked to break it up and bring two

3349
01:57:44,831 --> 01:57:45,832
products. We brought active

3350
01:57:45,832 --> 01:57:47,835
fuels product which the council has

3351
01:57:47,835 --> 01:57:48,836
adopted and directed reinforcing.

3352
01:57:48,836 --> 01:57:50,838
we are going through our first work

3353
01:57:50,838 --> 01:57:52,838
asexually

3354
01:57:52,840 --> 01:57:53,841
right now with someone who was noncompliant

3355
01:57:53,841 --> 01:57:55,841
for the

3356
01:57:56,844 --> 01:57:59,844
for the most part we

3357
01:57:59,847 --> 01:58:01,847
get compliance

3358
01:58:01,849 --> 01:58:02,850
with [ inaudible ]. Most people want

3359
01:58:02,850 --> 01:58:03,817
to. The second part

3360
01:58:03,817 --> 01:58:05,819
of that was the building hardening

3361
01:58:05,819 --> 01:58:06,820
code and that has gone through several

3362
01:58:06,820 --> 01:58:07,821
iterations

3363
01:58:07,821 --> 01:58:08,822
because the building advisory board

3364
01:58:08,822 --> 01:58:11,825
took two years to finally decide we

3365
01:58:11,825 --> 01:58:14,828
had a code they were okay

3366
01:58:14,828 --> 01:58:17,828
with. I don't know if

3367
01:58:19,833 --> 01:58:20,834
anybody remembered mr. Senesi, he

3368
01:58:20,834 --> 01:58:21,835
was

3369
01:58:21,835 --> 01:58:22,836
on that panel, he was a builder here

3370
01:58:22,836 --> 01:58:23,837
in town and he took it upon himself

3371
01:58:23,837 --> 01:58:24,838
to make

3372
01:58:24,838 --> 01:58:26,840
sure that the code was with the town

3373
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:28,842
needed tell you that, and he beat

3374
01:58:28,842 --> 01:58:29,843
us up pretty hard on that, and then

3375
01:58:29,843 --> 01:58:30,844
you can do

3376
01:58:30,844 --> 01:58:32,846
the counseling you asked us to go

3377
01:58:32,846 --> 01:58:34,846
back. Let me

3378
01:58:35,849 --> 01:58:36,817
back up. The decision was trying

3379
01:58:36,817 --> 01:58:37,818
to figure out we just make it as part

3380
01:58:37,818 --> 01:58:38,819
of the 2024 code adoption if you have

3381
01:58:38,819 --> 01:58:40,819
that

3382
01:58:41,822 --> 01:58:43,822
going on

3383
01:58:43,824 --> 01:58:44,825
your own, the two meetings we went

3384
01:58:44,825 --> 01:58:47,825
back to this meeting. This

3385
01:58:47,828 --> 01:58:49,828
has

3386
01:58:49,830 --> 01:58:50,831
been probably 10 using the making

3387
01:58:50,831 --> 01:58:51,832
to get us

3388
01:58:51,832 --> 01:58:53,834
to this point of coming to the council.

3389
01:58:53,834 --> 01:58:55,836
it really is one of

3390
01:58:55,836 --> 01:58:56,837
those things like the town manager

3391
01:58:56,837 --> 01:58:59,237
said where you're at

3392
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:00,841
so the right. This doesn't flip a

3393
01:59:00,841 --> 01:59:01,842
switch tomorrow and every house is

3394
01:59:01,842 --> 01:59:02,843
hardened. That's not the point of

3395
01:59:02,843 --> 01:59:03,844
it. The point

3396
01:59:03,844 --> 01:59:07,848
is houses are built and is houses

3397
01:59:07,848 --> 01:59:08,849
are rebuilt is houses are hardened

3398
01:59:08,849 --> 01:59:11,249
and eventually because we

3399
01:59:11,818 --> 01:59:12,819
are a landlocked community,

3400
01:59:12,819 --> 01:59:14,821
infill will happen. Properties will

3401
01:59:14,821 --> 01:59:16,821
be purchased,

3402
01:59:20,827 --> 01:59:22,827
leveled, and

3403
01:59:22,829 --> 01:59:23,830
houses built. That's what happens

3404
01:59:23,830 --> 01:59:24,831
in every

3405
01:59:24,831 --> 01:59:25,832
community that goes through that and

3406
01:59:25,832 --> 01:59:26,834
eventually the community will be hardened.

3407
01:59:26,834 --> 01:59:28,836
it will take us

3408
01:59:28,836 --> 01:59:29,837
a number of years, like the town manager

3409
01:59:29,837 --> 01:59:30,838
said, we don't start somewhere, where

3410
01:59:30,838 --> 01:59:32,840
do we start? The fuels issue we could

3411
01:59:32,840 --> 01:59:33,841
do continuously but that's a continuous

3412
01:59:33,841 --> 01:59:34,842
effort

3413
01:59:34,842 --> 01:59:35,843
also as people are finding out who

3414
01:59:35,843 --> 01:59:37,845
got the grants, is

3415
01:59:37,845 --> 01:59:38,846
that requires separately and we are

3416
01:59:38,846 --> 01:59:39,847
focused on

3417
01:59:39,847 --> 01:59:40,848
the effort. This is just the next

3418
01:59:40,848 --> 01:59:41,849
step and really the question is from

3419
01:59:41,849 --> 01:59:42,850
a policy decision. Vice

3420
01:59:42,850 --> 01:59:44,818
mehmet oz brought it up, there's a

3421
01:59:44,818 --> 01:59:45,819
cost that doesn't please cost some of

3422
01:59:45,819 --> 01:59:46,820
the

3423
01:59:46,820 --> 01:59:47,821
main we can scene it will increase

3424
01:59:47,821 --> 01:59:49,821
costume houses what

3425
01:59:50,824 --> 01:59:52,826
does the community want

3426
01:59:52,826 --> 01:59:53,827
to bear. This in no way benefits the

3427
01:59:53,827 --> 01:59:57,427
fire department other than I have

3428
01:59:59,833 --> 02:00:00,834
safer buildings to stop fire. It doesn't do

3429
02:00:00,834 --> 02:00:01,835
anything for us.

3430
02:00:01,835 --> 02:00:02,836
this is for the community. What do

3431
02:00:02,836 --> 02:00:04,836
the policymakers

3432
02:00:05,839 --> 02:00:07,841
want the community to

3433
02:00:07,841 --> 02:00:08,842
look like?

3434
02:00:08,842 --> 02:00:09,843
>> one thing it looks to

3435
02:00:09,843 --> 02:00:10,844
me, we just had

3436
02:00:10,844 --> 02:00:11,845
a presentation on 100 some hothouses

3437
02:00:11,845 --> 02:00:13,845
at the

3438
02:00:13,847 --> 02:00:14,848
golf course. We've got timber ridge

3439
02:00:14,848 --> 02:00:16,817
going

3440
02:00:16,817 --> 02:00:17,818
in. It's going to be manufactured.

3441
02:00:17,818 --> 02:00:19,820
rather than have the

3442
02:00:19,820 --> 02:00:20,821
dots that have been discussed tonight,

3443
02:00:20,821 --> 02:00:22,821
we have opportunities

3444
02:00:23,824 --> 02:00:26,827
to put in hardened segments and

3445
02:00:26,827 --> 02:00:27,828
this is an opportunity that once those

3446
02:00:27,828 --> 02:00:29,828
developments

3447
02:00:29,830 --> 02:00:32,833
are built, we are not going to have

3448
02:00:32,833 --> 02:00:35,836
again for another 50 years so it seems

3449
02:00:35,836 --> 02:00:38,836
to me that we need

3450
02:00:38,839 --> 02:00:39,840
to adopt now because we have a huge

3451
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:41,840
concentration

3452
02:00:41,842 --> 02:00:44,242
coming of new bills

3453
02:00:47,848 --> 02:00:48,849
and if the house and going about the

3454
02:00:48,849 --> 02:00:49,816
golf

3455
02:00:49,816 --> 02:00:50,817
course, I don't anticipate those houses

3456
02:00:50,817 --> 02:00:52,819
having 1000 square foot decks.

3457
02:00:52,819 --> 02:00:57,190
they're going to be modest homes and

3458
02:00:58,825 --> 02:00:59,826
the cost to build those homes are

3459
02:00:59,826 --> 02:01:01,828
going to be more in line with

3460
02:01:01,828 --> 02:01:02,829
what you said you got from the manufactured

3461
02:01:02,829 --> 02:01:04,829
home

3462
02:01:04,831 --> 02:01:05,832
builders so I think we have an opportunity,

3463
02:01:05,832 --> 02:01:06,834
and like the

3464
02:01:06,834 --> 02:01:08,836
town manager said, we've got to start

3465
02:01:08,836 --> 02:01:11,836
somewhere and I'm ready to

3466
02:01:11,839 --> 02:01:13,839
start today.

3467
02:01:14,842 --> 02:01:16,842
>> appreciate it. First

3468
02:01:17,845 --> 02:01:18,846
I want to echo what susie

3469
02:01:18,846 --> 02:01:20,848
said. You've put a little work in

3470
02:01:20,848 --> 02:01:23,248
this. There has been

3471
02:01:23,817 --> 02:01:24,818
several

3472
02:01:24,818 --> 02:01:25,819
years, the entire fire department

3473
02:01:25,819 --> 02:01:26,820
going into this, I don't think anybody

3474
02:01:26,820 --> 02:01:29,820
questions the need as a

3475
02:01:29,823 --> 02:01:30,824
community to be conscious of wildfire

3476
02:01:30,824 --> 02:01:31,825
risk,

3477
02:01:31,825 --> 02:01:32,826
be conscious of things that we are

3478
02:01:32,826 --> 02:01:33,827
doing to fight against wildfire risk

3479
02:01:33,827 --> 02:01:35,827
but

3480
02:01:35,829 --> 02:01:37,831
as it pertains specifically to

3481
02:01:37,831 --> 02:01:38,832
this code, I have a hard time getting

3482
02:01:38,832 --> 02:01:40,832
behind the

3483
02:01:41,835 --> 02:01:44,835
idea that this is going

3484
02:01:44,838 --> 02:01:45,839
to drastically or even really at all

3485
02:01:45,839 --> 02:01:47,839
really lower

3486
02:01:47,841 --> 02:01:50,241
payson's wildfire risk. I

3487
02:01:50,844 --> 02:01:54,444
think we have so many bigger

3488
02:01:55,849 --> 02:01:56,817
problems that if this town is going

3489
02:01:56,817 --> 02:01:58,819
to go up in flames, I personally do

3490
02:01:58,819 --> 02:01:59,820
not think that these fire hardening

3491
02:01:59,820 --> 02:02:01,822
measures are going to stop that from

3492
02:02:01,822 --> 02:02:02,823
happening. We got so much fuel around

3493
02:02:02,823 --> 02:02:05,826
us. We have so many houses that are

3494
02:02:05,826 --> 02:02:07,828
not fire -wise properly. The trees

3495
02:02:07,828 --> 02:02:09,830
next to the house are what's going

3496
02:02:09,830 --> 02:02:11,832
to go up in flames and it's not

3497
02:02:11,832 --> 02:02:12,833
going to matter what wood you have

3498
02:02:12,833 --> 02:02:13,834
on the eave.

3499
02:02:13,834 --> 02:02:15,836
the house is going to go up so that's

3500
02:02:15,836 --> 02:02:17,836
my personal opinion.

3501
02:02:17,838 --> 02:02:18,839
insurance, I'm not in this seat an

3502
02:02:18,839 --> 02:02:19,840
insurance professional but I

3503
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:21,842
do know a little bit about insurance.

3504
02:02:21,842 --> 02:02:24,842
so I have never had

3505
02:02:27,848 --> 02:02:29,848
insurance declined

3506
02:02:36,823 --> 02:02:37,824
based on the materials I used on

3507
02:02:37,824 --> 02:02:38,825
the house. I have had them declined

3508
02:02:38,825 --> 02:02:39,826
on how close the trees are to the

3509
02:02:39,826 --> 02:02:40,827
house.

3510
02:02:40,827 --> 02:02:41,828
I've had them declined on what the

3511
02:02:41,828 --> 02:02:42,829
next-door neighbor's property looks

3512
02:02:42,829 --> 02:02:43,830
like. I've had

3513
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:44,831
them declined on the tree limbs overhanging

3514
02:02:44,831 --> 02:02:45,832
the house. People may pay more for

3515
02:02:45,832 --> 02:02:46,834
insurance

3516
02:02:46,834 --> 02:02:47,835
if they choose to use material a versus

3517
02:02:47,835 --> 02:02:48,836
material b but that's something I

3518
02:02:48,836 --> 02:02:49,837
believe

3519
02:02:49,837 --> 02:02:50,838
the contractors should be proactively

3520
02:02:50,838 --> 02:02:51,839
talking to them about as they are

3521
02:02:51,839 --> 02:02:52,840
the

3522
02:02:52,840 --> 02:02:53,841
ones that are looking out for the

3523
02:02:53,841 --> 02:02:54,842
client when they're building those.

3524
02:02:54,842 --> 02:02:55,843
so it's the slope

3525
02:02:55,843 --> 02:02:56,844
of the property, the surrounding areas,

3526
02:02:56,844 --> 02:02:57,845
that's what the insurance companies

3527
02:02:57,845 --> 02:02:58,846
are looking at. Personally

3528
02:02:58,846 --> 02:02:59,847
I don't even think insurance companies

3529
02:02:59,847 --> 02:03:00,848
are really worried about the wildfire

3530
02:03:00,848 --> 02:03:01,849
risk. There's so

3531
02:03:01,849 --> 02:03:03,817
many other ways they get hit from

3532
02:03:03,817 --> 02:03:04,818
the insurance perspective

3533
02:03:04,818 --> 02:03:06,820
on roofs, on water, floods, things

3534
02:03:06,820 --> 02:03:08,820
like that. My

3535
02:03:09,823 --> 02:03:10,824
personal opinion, it's

3536
02:03:10,824 --> 02:03:12,826
to say we don't want to do business

3537
02:03:12,826 --> 02:03:13,827
appear when you have rain and

3538
02:03:13,827 --> 02:03:15,829
you have snow and you have hail, you

3539
02:03:15,829 --> 02:03:19,833
have a lot of roof planes and

3540
02:03:19,833 --> 02:03:21,835
insurance companies use a ton of money

3541
02:03:21,835 --> 02:03:22,836
on roof claims so I don't think

3542
02:03:22,836 --> 02:03:24,838
this is going to fix the problem.

3543
02:03:24,838 --> 02:03:26,840
I stand behind what I said at

3544
02:03:26,840 --> 02:03:27,841
the first meeting. If you get the

3545
02:03:27,841 --> 02:03:28,842
contractors on board

3546
02:03:28,842 --> 02:03:30,844
you will get me on board. I don't believe we've

3547
02:03:30,844 --> 02:03:32,846
done that to this

3548
02:03:32,846 --> 02:03:33,847
point. $5000, $10,000, that's a lot

3549
02:03:33,847 --> 02:03:34,848
of money to a

3550
02:03:34,848 --> 02:03:36,817
lot of people and it may not break

3551
02:03:36,817 --> 02:03:37,818
the bank for some people but

3552
02:03:37,818 --> 02:03:38,819
that could completely stop somebody

3553
02:03:38,819 --> 02:03:39,820
from adding on a bedroom, adding whatever

3554
02:03:39,820 --> 02:03:40,821
that threshold

3555
02:03:40,821 --> 02:03:41,822
is, I forget the specific.

3556
02:03:41,822 --> 02:03:42,823
>> [ inaudible

3557
02:03:42,823 --> 02:03:43,824
]

3558
02:03:43,824 --> 02:03:44,825
>> are you doing

3559
02:03:44,825 --> 02:03:45,826
the deck? It can move the needle there

3560
02:03:45,826 --> 02:03:47,826
to not allow

3561
02:03:47,828 --> 02:03:52,628
that project to be done and it's expensive

3562
02:03:54,835 --> 02:03:55,836
to build . I think everybody is aware

3563
02:03:55,836 --> 02:03:57,838
of, I'm adding onto my house, if I

3564
02:03:57,838 --> 02:03:58,839
had more money I would have a

3565
02:03:58,839 --> 02:04:00,841
contractor out there doing it and

3566
02:04:00,841 --> 02:04:01,842
be done six months ago.

3567
02:04:01,842 --> 02:04:03,842
>>

3568
02:04:03,844 --> 02:04:04,845
no permit?

3569
02:04:04,845 --> 02:04:06,847
>> no permit. It's expensive

3570
02:04:06,847 --> 02:04:07,848
and I --

3571
02:04:07,848 --> 02:04:08,849
>>

3572
02:04:08,849 --> 02:04:09,850
I'm sorry.

3573
02:04:09,850 --> 02:04:10,817
>> $1200 for a difference

3574
02:04:10,817 --> 02:04:12,817
I believe

3575
02:04:12,819 --> 02:04:13,820
would be dramatically more than that

3576
02:04:13,820 --> 02:04:14,821
so

3577
02:04:14,821 --> 02:04:15,822
I am not in favor of this. I do appreciate

3578
02:04:15,822 --> 02:04:18,222
the hard work you

3579
02:04:18,825 --> 02:04:19,826
put into this. I echo what

3580
02:04:19,826 --> 02:04:21,828
the rest of the council has said.

3581
02:04:21,828 --> 02:04:22,829
there's a lot of other places that

3582
02:04:22,829 --> 02:04:23,830
we

3583
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:24,831
need to put a lot more energy and

3584
02:04:24,831 --> 02:04:25,832
community to make it

3585
02:04:25,832 --> 02:04:26,834
safer.

3586
02:04:26,834 --> 02:04:27,835
>> my request button is not

3587
02:04:27,835 --> 02:04:28,836
working.

3588
02:04:28,836 --> 02:04:30,838
sorry. I want to thank you two for

3589
02:04:30,838 --> 02:04:32,838
the work.

3590
02:04:33,841 --> 02:04:36,241
my hope, when the

3591
02:04:36,844 --> 02:04:37,845
last time we

3592
02:04:37,845 --> 02:04:39,847
discussed this, sending it back and

3593
02:04:39,847 --> 02:04:42,847
having a discussion with contractors,

3594
02:04:42,850 --> 02:04:44,818
that there would be some kind of compromise.

3595
02:04:44,818 --> 02:04:48,418
I don't agree with the assertions

3596
02:04:48,822 --> 02:04:51,822
that this has been just

3597
02:04:51,825 --> 02:04:54,828
thrown on us all of the sudden. This

3598
02:04:54,828 --> 02:04:57,828
has been a bear from

3599
02:04:57,831 --> 02:05:00,231
may 14th. People knew

3600
02:05:02,836 --> 02:05:03,837
about it. It got seven contractors

3601
02:05:03,837 --> 02:05:04,838
to come. I wouldn't have

3602
02:05:04,838 --> 02:05:06,840
expected that many, so I appreciated

3603
02:05:06,840 --> 02:05:09,843
that, that you had that many, and

3604
02:05:09,843 --> 02:05:12,243
talk about hopefully what

3605
02:05:12,846 --> 02:05:15,849
can we tweak. So that brings

3606
02:05:15,849 --> 02:05:17,849
me to

3607
02:05:18,819 --> 02:05:21,819
my questions. Was anything changed

3608
02:05:21,822 --> 02:05:23,822
from that ordinance

3609
02:05:24,825 --> 02:05:26,827
that we talked about on may 14th

3610
02:05:26,827 --> 02:05:27,828
until now? And this ordinance, did

3611
02:05:27,828 --> 02:05:29,828
you take anything?

3612
02:05:32,833 --> 02:05:33,834
you tweak anything?

3613
02:05:33,834 --> 02:05:34,835
>> no sir. >>

3614
02:05:34,835 --> 02:05:36,837
okay. Than my other

3615
02:05:36,837 --> 02:05:38,837
question was eaves

3616
02:05:38,839 --> 02:05:42,439
and decks. What percentage of the

3617
02:05:42,843 --> 02:05:45,243
whole code do eaves

3618
02:05:45,846 --> 02:05:46,847
and decks

3619
02:05:46,847 --> 02:05:48,849
represent? Because it sounds like

3620
02:05:48,849 --> 02:05:51,818
that is a major concern

3621
02:05:51,818 --> 02:05:53,820
for contractors, that maybe if we

3622
02:05:53,820 --> 02:05:58,200
took those out, does that leave a

3623
02:06:00,827 --> 02:06:02,827
meaningful code?

3624
02:06:03,830 --> 02:06:04,831
>> I

3625
02:06:04,831 --> 02:06:06,834
believe that was where the contractors

3626
02:06:06,834 --> 02:06:09,837
would've liked to have seen that

3627
02:06:09,837 --> 02:06:13,437
taken out and in my opinion,

3628
02:06:14,842 --> 02:06:15,843
and chief, help me with this also.

3629
02:06:15,843 --> 02:06:18,843
I'm not a lone ranger

3630
02:06:18,846 --> 02:06:20,848
in this. In looking at other people

3631
02:06:20,848 --> 02:06:21,849
that are looking at the same thing,

3632
02:06:21,849 --> 02:06:24,818
adopting these codes, that, taking

3633
02:06:24,818 --> 02:06:25,819
that out would've watered it down

3634
02:06:25,819 --> 02:06:27,819
to where it

3635
02:06:27,821 --> 02:06:30,821
wouldn't have been a useful

3636
02:06:30,824 --> 02:06:33,224
code and part of

3637
02:06:33,827 --> 02:06:35,829
the reason, when we go to the

3638
02:06:35,829 --> 02:06:38,829
building advisory board, that code

3639
02:06:39,833 --> 02:06:42,836
had morphed quite a bit from

3640
02:06:42,836 --> 02:06:44,838
the point that we

3641
02:06:44,838 --> 02:06:45,839
first went to the building advisory

3642
02:06:45,839 --> 02:06:48,842
board, to the point where we

3643
02:06:48,842 --> 02:06:50,844
brought it to you. So a lot of

3644
02:06:50,844 --> 02:06:51,845
the contractors, you know, had this

3645
02:06:51,845 --> 02:06:53,845
debate in

3646
02:06:53,847 --> 02:06:54,848
those meetings. The contractors that

3647
02:06:54,848 --> 02:06:56,848
were

3648
02:06:57,818 --> 02:07:00,818
on that spoke about this

3649
02:07:00,821 --> 02:07:03,221
and how we can

3650
02:07:03,824 --> 02:07:05,824
modify

3651
02:07:05,826 --> 02:07:06,827
this and part of the presentation,

3652
02:07:06,827 --> 02:07:09,227
it shows you the

3653
02:07:09,830 --> 02:07:10,831
difference between put in our checklist

3654
02:07:10,831 --> 02:07:12,831
for this

3655
02:07:12,833 --> 02:07:14,833
code and the

3656
02:07:15,836 --> 02:07:17,836
differences between

3657
02:07:18,839 --> 02:07:19,840
the code which is part of the building

3658
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,840
code,

3659
02:07:21,842 --> 02:07:24,845
the fire code, and the I.d. Hs

3660
02:07:24,845 --> 02:07:26,845
code so there

3661
02:07:27,848 --> 02:07:30,248
was two different iterations

3662
02:07:30,817 --> 02:07:32,819
of that, those, so

3663
02:07:32,819 --> 02:07:33,820
we are already --the point of that

3664
02:07:33,820 --> 02:07:35,822
was to show you that are already amount

3665
02:07:35,822 --> 02:07:36,823
of type this code to a point where

3666
02:07:36,823 --> 02:07:38,823
it

3667
02:07:39,826 --> 02:07:42,829
was still workable and it still

3668
02:07:42,829 --> 02:07:43,830
would meet

3669
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:46,830
the requirements, and address the

3670
02:07:46,834 --> 02:07:48,836
concerns that ibhs brings forward,

3671
02:07:48,836 --> 02:07:50,836
but it

3672
02:07:50,838 --> 02:07:51,839
would work better with the contractors

3673
02:07:51,839 --> 02:07:54,842
here in payson as well so

3674
02:07:54,842 --> 02:07:56,842
what you're looking

3675
02:07:57,845 --> 02:07:58,846
at wasn't --we are not bringing you

3676
02:07:58,846 --> 02:08:00,846
the

3677
02:08:00,848 --> 02:08:05,480
code or the ibhs standard so we

3678
02:08:07,821 --> 02:08:08,822
had already

3679
02:08:08,822 --> 02:08:09,823
mitigated some of those concerns and

3680
02:08:09,823 --> 02:08:13,827
changed that code, if that takes sense.

3681
02:08:13,827 --> 02:08:14,828
>> the eaves

3682
02:08:14,828 --> 02:08:16,830
and decks are the majority of what

3683
02:08:16,830 --> 02:08:19,230
makes the same meaning

3684
02:08:20,834 --> 02:08:22,836
will code? There's nothing else --

3685
02:08:22,836 --> 02:08:25,236
not enough --that's what

3686
02:08:25,839 --> 02:08:26,840
I'm

3687
02:08:26,840 --> 02:08:28,842
struggling is it seems like --and

3688
02:08:28,842 --> 02:08:31,242
the ordinance does have

3689
02:08:31,845 --> 02:08:34,245
some meaning and usefulness

3690
02:08:34,848 --> 02:08:36,848
without that

3691
02:08:37,818 --> 02:08:40,218
component. I'm hearing you

3692
02:08:40,821 --> 02:08:41,822
say no.

3693
02:08:41,822 --> 02:08:42,823
>> if

3694
02:08:42,823 --> 02:08:45,826
I can, maybe I'll take a stab at this

3695
02:08:45,826 --> 02:08:46,827
for you, councilmember nossek. The

3696
02:08:46,827 --> 02:08:48,827
code has

3697
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:52,830
some effect without eaves and

3698
02:08:52,833 --> 02:08:55,233
the decks. However, here

3699
02:08:55,836 --> 02:08:56,837
is the way we look at it, and

3700
02:08:56,837 --> 02:08:58,839
quite frankly, the way your building

3701
02:08:58,839 --> 02:08:59,840
advisory board looked at

3702
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:01,842
it was without those two components, the

3703
02:09:01,842 --> 02:09:03,842
increased cost wasn't

3704
02:09:03,844 --> 02:09:04,845
worth the benefit because eaves and

3705
02:09:04,845 --> 02:09:06,845
decks are

3706
02:09:07,848 --> 02:09:08,849
primary gait

3707
02:09:08,849 --> 02:09:10,817
is for fire to get into houses. So

3708
02:09:10,817 --> 02:09:11,818
if we don't mitigate that

3709
02:09:11,818 --> 02:09:12,819
risk, if everything else we do is

3710
02:09:12,819 --> 02:09:15,219
money that's essentially, councilmember

3711
02:09:15,822 --> 02:09:19,826
haws point, doesn't do any good so

3712
02:09:19,826 --> 02:09:20,827
our view and frankly this

3713
02:09:20,827 --> 02:09:22,829
was the view of other experts we engaged

3714
02:09:22,829 --> 02:09:23,830
to find out their views

3715
02:09:23,830 --> 02:09:26,834
on this is we don't get the decks

3716
02:09:26,834 --> 02:09:28,836
and eaves, everything else is just

3717
02:09:28,836 --> 02:09:30,838
a waste of money because

3718
02:09:30,838 --> 02:09:31,839
the house is going to burn anyway,

3719
02:09:31,839 --> 02:09:32,840
because the deck allows

3720
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:36,844
fire to get in the house, or eaves

3721
02:09:36,844 --> 02:09:37,845
allow it. Does that kind of answer

3722
02:09:37,845 --> 02:09:38,846
your question? Everything else

3723
02:09:38,846 --> 02:09:39,847
works --

3724
02:09:39,847 --> 02:09:40,848
>> [ inaudible ] it sounds

3725
02:09:40,848 --> 02:09:41,849
like you

3726
02:09:41,849 --> 02:09:43,849
>> it's a

3727
02:09:45,819 --> 02:09:46,820
system but decks and eaves, if you

3728
02:09:46,820 --> 02:09:47,821
don't treat

3729
02:09:47,821 --> 02:09:48,822
those and of mitigate that risk, along

3730
02:09:48,822 --> 02:09:49,823
with other fuels, that's not this

3731
02:09:49,823 --> 02:09:50,824
part of the code,

3732
02:09:50,824 --> 02:09:52,826
really is for not then because the

3733
02:09:52,826 --> 02:09:53,827
house has a high probability of burning

3734
02:09:53,827 --> 02:09:54,828
anyway,

3735
02:09:54,828 --> 02:09:55,829
even though it increased the cost

3736
02:09:55,829 --> 02:09:58,832
of building the house. So if you do

3737
02:09:58,832 --> 02:09:59,833
everything else [

3738
02:09:59,833 --> 02:10:00,834
inaudible ] I'm sorry.

3739
02:10:00,834 --> 02:10:01,835
>> with other

3740
02:10:01,835 --> 02:10:03,835
mitigating building materials.

3741
02:10:04,838 --> 02:10:05,839
>> right.

3742
02:10:05,839 --> 02:10:06,840
those building materials alone will

3743
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:11,400
not mitigate the risk that the decks

3744
02:10:12,846 --> 02:10:13,847
and eaves caused to the house.

3745
02:10:13,847 --> 02:10:14,848
>>

3746
02:10:14,848 --> 02:10:15,849
it's all about the decks and

3747
02:10:15,849 --> 02:10:16,850
eaves.

3748
02:10:16,850 --> 02:10:17,818
>> not all about the decks

3749
02:10:17,818 --> 02:10:18,819
and eaves, no. Everything works together

3750
02:10:18,819 --> 02:10:19,820
but if

3751
02:10:19,820 --> 02:10:20,821
you don't

3752
02:10:20,821 --> 02:10:22,823
take the decks and eaves then really

3753
02:10:22,823 --> 02:10:23,824
all we're doing is asking our customers

3754
02:10:23,824 --> 02:10:24,825
to

3755
02:10:24,825 --> 02:10:25,826
pay money that doesn't do them any

3756
02:10:25,826 --> 02:10:26,827
good. So I guess our professional

3757
02:10:26,827 --> 02:10:27,828
opinion is

3758
02:10:27,828 --> 02:10:28,829
if you don't want to do x and eaves,

3759
02:10:28,829 --> 02:10:31,832
and quite frankly, please don't adopt

3760
02:10:31,832 --> 02:10:32,833
the code because all you

3761
02:10:32,833 --> 02:10:34,835
are doing is causing people to pay

3762
02:10:34,835 --> 02:10:37,235
money that doesn't cause

3763
02:10:40,841 --> 02:10:42,841
any benefit

3764
02:10:43,844 --> 02:10:44,845
. In the whole system that allows

3765
02:10:44,845 --> 02:10:45,846
hardening and

3766
02:10:45,846 --> 02:10:46,847
allows the building to hopefully withstand

3767
02:10:46,847 --> 02:10:47,848
a fire with everything. If we just,

3768
02:10:47,848 --> 02:10:48,849
back

3769
02:10:48,849 --> 02:10:49,850
to your point, another way to look

3770
02:10:49,850 --> 02:10:50,817
at it councilmember nelson is decks

3771
02:10:50,817 --> 02:10:51,818
and eaves, that

3772
02:10:51,818 --> 02:10:54,821
would worth the diagram. It's the

3773
02:10:54,821 --> 02:10:55,822
whole system. We take in as much out

3774
02:10:55,822 --> 02:10:56,823
of it as

3775
02:10:56,823 --> 02:10:58,825
we can to make it as cost-effective

3776
02:10:58,825 --> 02:10:59,826
for the customer as we can. If

3777
02:10:59,826 --> 02:11:01,828
that cost is still too much, as I

3778
02:11:01,828 --> 02:11:02,829
said before, it's a policy decision for

3779
02:11:02,829 --> 02:11:03,830
you

3780
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:04,831
all to tell us and then we walk away

3781
02:11:04,831 --> 02:11:05,832
from this dissection and it doesn't

3782
02:11:05,832 --> 02:11:07,835
come back to us until somebody asked

3783
02:11:07,835 --> 02:11:09,837
us to bring it back. But if

3784
02:11:09,837 --> 02:11:10,838
you're thinking about we'll take out

3785
02:11:10,838 --> 02:11:11,839
decks and eaves

3786
02:11:11,839 --> 02:11:13,841
to appease the contractors, then I

3787
02:11:13,841 --> 02:11:16,241
would really submit to

3788
02:11:16,844 --> 02:11:17,845
the council, I would rather you not

3789
02:11:17,845 --> 02:11:18,846
at

3790
02:11:18,846 --> 02:11:19,847
any cost to the consumer because their

3791
02:11:19,847 --> 02:11:20,848
house is likely going to burn

3792
02:11:20,848 --> 02:11:22,850
anyway and all we did was add cost

3793
02:11:22,850 --> 02:11:24,850
to it. Does

3794
02:11:25,819 --> 02:11:26,820
that help kind of understand it? It's

3795
02:11:26,820 --> 02:11:27,821
not all

3796
02:11:27,821 --> 02:11:28,822
about decks and eaves because they'll do

3797
02:11:28,822 --> 02:11:29,823
everything else [ inaudible ]. It's

3798
02:11:29,823 --> 02:11:30,824
a

3799
02:11:30,824 --> 02:11:31,825
system. It's just a major part of

3800
02:11:31,825 --> 02:11:32,826
the system.

3801
02:11:32,826 --> 02:11:34,826
>>

3802
02:11:37,831 --> 02:11:39,831
thank you.

3803
02:11:39,833 --> 02:11:40,834
>> we want emotion? >> I would like

3804
02:11:40,834 --> 02:11:41,835
a motion to accept ordinance 970.

3805
02:11:41,835 --> 02:11:43,835
do

3806
02:11:43,837 --> 02:11:45,837
I hear

3807
02:11:46,840 --> 02:11:48,840
a motion?

3808
02:11:49,843 --> 02:11:50,844
>> I'll make a motion to accept

3809
02:11:50,844 --> 02:11:53,844
ordinance 970 while the fire structure

3810
02:11:55,849 --> 02:11:56,850
and code.

3811
02:11:56,850 --> 02:11:58,819
>> in

3812
02:11:58,819 --> 02:11:59,820
the second?

3813
02:11:59,820 --> 02:12:01,820
>>

3814
02:12:01,822 --> 02:12:03,822
[ inaudible

3815
02:12:03,824 --> 02:12:04,825
]

3816
02:12:04,825 --> 02:12:05,826
>> pardon. >> it's still showing

3817
02:12:05,826 --> 02:12:07,826
scott. I

3818
02:12:07,828 --> 02:12:10,828
closed out. I killed it

3819
02:12:10,831 --> 02:12:12,831
and came

3820
02:12:16,837 --> 02:12:18,837
back. Will

3821
02:12:18,839 --> 02:12:19,840
I don't know. It's been really naughty

3822
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:20,841
all night.

3823
02:12:20,841 --> 02:12:22,841
>>

3824
02:12:22,843 --> 02:12:23,844
[ inaudible ]

3825
02:12:23,844 --> 02:12:25,844
>> he wanted

3826
02:12:25,846 --> 02:12:26,847
to speak during this part?

3827
02:12:26,847 --> 02:12:28,847
>>

3828
02:12:28,849 --> 02:12:29,850
that's what I signed up.

3829
02:12:29,850 --> 02:12:31,818
>> I didn't

3830
02:12:31,818 --> 02:12:32,819
see it.

3831
02:12:32,819 --> 02:12:34,821
>> you guys got me up [ inaudible

3832
02:12:34,821 --> 02:12:36,821
]

3833
02:12:37,824 --> 02:12:39,824
>> he didn't

3834
02:12:42,829 --> 02:12:43,830
speak, okay.

3835
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:44,831
>> we got to get a second.

3836
02:12:44,831 --> 02:12:46,834
>> it's going to die because

3837
02:12:46,834 --> 02:12:49,837
of a lack of a second

3838
02:12:49,837 --> 02:12:50,838
anyway.

3839
02:12:50,838 --> 02:12:51,839
>> melvin speak, or no? >>

3840
02:12:51,839 --> 02:12:52,840
you

3841
02:12:52,840 --> 02:12:53,841
already spoke during call to the public,

3842
02:12:53,841 --> 02:12:54,842
though, correct?

3843
02:12:54,842 --> 02:12:55,843
>> you guys

3844
02:12:55,843 --> 02:12:58,243
called me up. [ inaudible

3845
02:12:58,846 --> 02:13:00,846
]

3846
02:13:03,851 --> 02:13:04,818
now and I only need one of my three

3847
02:13:04,818 --> 02:13:05,819
minutes.

3848
02:13:05,819 --> 02:13:06,820
>>

3849
02:13:06,820 --> 02:13:07,821
and he use them --can we give him

3850
02:13:07,821 --> 02:13:09,821
another minute? May

3851
02:13:12,826 --> 02:13:13,827
as well.

3852
02:13:13,827 --> 02:13:14,828
>> mayor and council, just

3853
02:13:14,828 --> 02:13:18,428
as a reminder, right, time, place

3854
02:13:19,833 --> 02:13:20,834
and manner restrictions are because

3855
02:13:20,834 --> 02:13:21,835
we want

3856
02:13:21,835 --> 02:13:22,836
to make sure everyone is treated the

3857
02:13:22,836 --> 02:13:23,837
same, so that we are not giving

3858
02:13:23,837 --> 02:13:25,839
favoritism to one person over another.

3859
02:13:25,839 --> 02:13:26,840
everyone has their three minutes to

3860
02:13:26,840 --> 02:13:28,840
speak on whatever

3861
02:13:28,842 --> 02:13:30,842
they're going to

3862
02:13:31,845 --> 02:13:32,846
talk about, but within the jurisdiction

3863
02:13:32,846 --> 02:13:33,847
of payson,

3864
02:13:33,847 --> 02:13:34,848
but that's their three minutes. So

3865
02:13:34,848 --> 02:13:37,818
if someone has spoken for their

3866
02:13:37,818 --> 02:13:38,819
three minutes --

3867
02:13:38,819 --> 02:13:39,820
>> but he did not

3868
02:13:39,820 --> 02:13:40,821
speak for 3 minutes.

3869
02:13:40,821 --> 02:13:41,822
>> if he hasn't

3870
02:13:41,822 --> 02:13:42,823
done call to the public.

3871
02:13:42,823 --> 02:13:43,824
>> he did

3872
02:13:43,824 --> 02:13:44,825
call to the public but it was one

3873
02:13:44,825 --> 02:13:45,826
minute.

3874
02:13:45,826 --> 02:13:46,827
>> okay. Well typically, the,

3875
02:13:46,827 --> 02:13:49,827
we are not parsing this

3876
02:13:49,830 --> 02:13:50,831
out, right? So if you want to give

3877
02:13:50,831 --> 02:13:52,831
him

3878
02:13:52,833 --> 02:13:53,834
--if that's your decision, but we

3879
02:13:53,834 --> 02:13:54,835
really

3880
02:13:54,835 --> 02:13:55,836
need to be really clear in the future that

3881
02:13:55,836 --> 02:13:57,836
when people come

3882
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:02,843
up, we're not going to sit

3883
02:14:02,843 --> 02:14:04,843
here and

3884
02:14:06,847 --> 02:14:08,849
parse out your time. If you're here,

3885
02:14:08,849 --> 02:14:09,850
call to the public, you've

3886
02:14:09,850 --> 02:14:10,817
spoken and then you sit down, so everybody

3887
02:14:10,817 --> 02:14:11,818
gets their time, their opportunity.

3888
02:14:11,818 --> 02:14:12,819
if they

3889
02:14:12,819 --> 02:14:13,820
walk away early then they walked away

3890
02:14:13,820 --> 02:14:15,822
early so we just need to kind of keep

3891
02:14:15,822 --> 02:14:16,823
that in mind in the future.

3892
02:14:16,823 --> 02:14:17,824
>> okay.

3893
02:14:17,824 --> 02:14:19,826
>> one minute. >> you have

3894
02:14:19,826 --> 02:14:20,827
a motion on the floor.

3895
02:14:20,827 --> 02:14:21,828
>> let's deal

3896
02:14:21,828 --> 02:14:22,829
with the motion.

3897
02:14:22,829 --> 02:14:23,830
>> you should probably

3898
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:24,831
deal with the motion. Right now if

3899
02:14:24,831 --> 02:14:25,832
there's

3900
02:14:25,832 --> 02:14:26,834
no second, it's going to die and we

3901
02:14:26,834 --> 02:14:29,834
move on to f 3 so

3902
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:33,841
I would like three or four seconds.

3903
02:14:33,841 --> 02:14:35,843
it's not a second, the item dies,

3904
02:14:35,843 --> 02:14:36,844
we move on.

3905
02:14:36,844 --> 02:14:38,846
>> and can I second

3906
02:14:38,846 --> 02:14:39,847
2 as mayor?

3907
02:14:39,847 --> 02:14:41,847
>> yeah. >>

3908
02:14:41,849 --> 02:14:44,849
I second. I call for

3909
02:14:47,821 --> 02:14:49,821
a vote.

3910
02:15:07,841 --> 02:15:10,841
>> motion passes 5-2. >> kevin, good

3911
02:15:11,845 --> 02:15:13,847
job. We know it's

3912
02:15:13,847 --> 02:15:14,848
not an easy --

3913
02:15:14,848 --> 02:15:15,849
>> that's my job. >>

3914
02:15:15,849 --> 02:15:17,818
I know,

3915
02:15:17,818 --> 02:15:20,821
and you do it with a smile.

3916
02:15:20,821 --> 02:15:21,822
really good.

3917
02:15:21,822 --> 02:15:23,822
>> okay.

3918
02:15:26,827 --> 02:15:27,828
item f 3.

3919
02:15:27,828 --> 02:15:28,829
>> you guys again? >> what's that?

3920
02:15:28,829 --> 02:15:29,830
>> this should be less controversial

3921
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:30,831
although it's going to pick up more

3922
02:15:30,831 --> 02:15:32,831
people

3923
02:15:32,833 --> 02:15:33,834
than the last

3924
02:15:33,834 --> 02:15:35,836
one, frankly, we don't have a lot

3925
02:15:35,836 --> 02:15:36,837
of options. How is that? How about

3926
02:15:36,837 --> 02:15:38,839
I preface that for you, mr. Mayor?

3927
02:15:38,839 --> 02:15:41,239
>> bring it on, f

3928
02:15:41,842 --> 02:15:42,843
3, first hearing regarding ordinance

3929
02:15:42,843 --> 02:15:44,845
972, amending the town of payson code

3930
02:15:44,845 --> 02:15:46,845
of ordinances,

3931
02:15:48,849 --> 02:15:50,817
title 13, chapter 130, section 130.20,

3932
02:15:50,817 --> 02:15:53,217
noyce pertaining to summertime

3933
02:15:53,820 --> 02:15:54,821
hours of construction including severability,

3934
02:15:54,821 --> 02:15:55,822
repealing

3935
02:15:55,822 --> 02:15:56,823
conflicting ordinances and establishing

3936
02:15:56,823 --> 02:15:58,823
an

3937
02:16:02,829 --> 02:16:03,830
effective date .

3938
02:16:03,830 --> 02:16:04,831
open to public hearing.

3939
02:16:04,831 --> 02:16:05,832
>> mr. Mayor,

3940
02:16:05,832 --> 02:16:06,834
members of the council, members of

3941
02:16:06,834 --> 02:16:07,835
the public, this comes before you

3942
02:16:07,835 --> 02:16:08,836
because our noise ordinance currently

3943
02:16:08,836 --> 02:16:11,236
has a start and

3944
02:16:11,839 --> 02:16:12,840
stop time

3945
02:16:12,840 --> 02:16:13,841
the changes for summer and winter and

3946
02:16:13,841 --> 02:16:14,842
our current summertime is between

3947
02:16:14,842 --> 02:16:16,842
june and september,

3948
02:16:17,845 --> 02:16:20,848
and our start time is 6:00 a.m.

3949
02:16:20,848 --> 02:16:21,849
for all activities. The last

3950
02:16:21,849 --> 02:16:23,851
legislative session, the legislature

3951
02:16:23,851 --> 02:16:26,820
decided that there is a risk

3952
02:16:26,820 --> 02:16:28,820
to contractors in

3953
02:16:28,822 --> 02:16:29,823
working during the heat of the day,

3954
02:16:29,823 --> 02:16:30,824
and therefore they created a

3955
02:16:30,824 --> 02:16:32,826
state law that said all ordinances

3956
02:16:32,826 --> 02:16:34,826
must

3957
02:16:34,828 --> 02:16:35,829
do this. So this is what we've built

3958
02:16:35,829 --> 02:16:36,830
into the ordinance that we

3959
02:16:36,830 --> 02:16:37,831
are asking the council to approve.

3960
02:16:37,831 --> 02:16:38,832
the timeframe is no longer june through

3961
02:16:38,832 --> 02:16:40,832
september.

3962
02:16:41,835 --> 02:16:43,835
it's made 1 through

3963
02:16:44,838 --> 02:16:45,839
october 15th. The start

3964
02:16:45,839 --> 02:16:47,841
time during that period of time --

3965
02:16:47,841 --> 02:16:50,844
and it does say on permitted

3966
02:16:50,844 --> 02:16:53,244
buildings but obviously if

3967
02:16:53,847 --> 02:16:54,848
it's not permitted

3968
02:16:54,848 --> 02:16:55,849
we're going to stop work because it's

3969
02:16:55,849 --> 02:16:56,850
not permitted, it has nothing to do

3970
02:16:56,850 --> 02:16:57,818
with the time,

3971
02:16:57,818 --> 02:16:58,819
is between 5:00 a.m. And 10:00 p.m.

3972
02:16:58,819 --> 02:16:59,820
it allows pouring the concrete to

3973
02:16:59,820 --> 02:17:00,821
start one hour

3974
02:17:00,821 --> 02:17:02,823
earlier. So essentially work and start

3975
02:17:02,823 --> 02:17:03,824
as long as it's concrete at 4:00 a.m.

3976
02:17:03,824 --> 02:17:05,824
in

3977
02:17:05,826 --> 02:17:08,826
the morning between may 1 and

3978
02:17:08,829 --> 02:17:09,830
october 15th. That is

3979
02:17:09,830 --> 02:17:10,831
the proposal that we are bringing

3980
02:17:10,831 --> 02:17:11,832
before you, because that is compliant

3981
02:17:11,832 --> 02:17:13,832
with

3982
02:17:15,836 --> 02:17:16,837
state law.

3983
02:17:16,837 --> 02:17:17,838
>> state law supersedes

3984
02:17:17,838 --> 02:17:18,839
us anyway, is that correct?

3985
02:17:18,839 --> 02:17:19,840
>> really all

3986
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:20,841
that council has a choice to do is

3987
02:17:20,841 --> 02:17:23,841
--the attorney can help me

3988
02:17:23,844 --> 02:17:24,845
out here. We can make the summer

3989
02:17:24,845 --> 02:17:26,847
hours longer. We can allow them to

3990
02:17:26,847 --> 02:17:28,847
start earlier.

3991
02:17:31,818 --> 02:17:32,819
but this --but what we had before

3992
02:17:32,819 --> 02:17:33,820
is not compliant. This

3993
02:17:33,820 --> 02:17:34,821
is compliant.

3994
02:17:34,821 --> 02:17:35,822
>> we are just conforming

3995
02:17:35,822 --> 02:17:36,823
the code to the current state law

3996
02:17:36,823 --> 02:17:38,823
is

3997
02:17:38,825 --> 02:17:39,826
the emergency

3998
02:17:39,826 --> 02:17:41,828
clause was adopted for that legislation

3999
02:17:41,828 --> 02:17:42,829
so it's already in effect.

4000
02:17:42,829 --> 02:17:43,830
>> the

4001
02:17:43,830 --> 02:17:44,831
council

4002
02:17:44,831 --> 02:17:45,832
does have some prerogative but the

4003
02:17:45,832 --> 02:17:46,834
prerogative says within these hours,

4004
02:17:46,834 --> 02:17:47,835
this is the minimum

4005
02:17:47,835 --> 02:17:48,836
.

4006
02:17:48,836 --> 02:17:49,837
>> you can go year-round if you wanted

4007
02:17:49,837 --> 02:17:50,838
to.

4008
02:17:50,838 --> 02:17:51,839
>> correct. >> and

4009
02:17:51,839 --> 02:17:53,841
so we need to ask if

4010
02:17:53,841 --> 02:17:54,842
there's public comments. This is a

4011
02:17:54,842 --> 02:17:55,843
public

4012
02:17:55,843 --> 02:17:56,844
hearing, correct?

4013
02:17:56,844 --> 02:17:57,845
>> all the people

4014
02:17:57,845 --> 02:17:59,847
that wanted to public comment

4015
02:17:59,847 --> 02:18:00,848
all left.

4016
02:18:00,848 --> 02:18:02,848
>> this is

4017
02:18:02,850 --> 02:18:04,818
in

4018
02:18:04,818 --> 02:18:05,819
their favor. This is in their favor.

4019
02:18:05,819 --> 02:18:08,822
>> so hearing none, is there any

4020
02:18:08,822 --> 02:18:11,822
on zoom? Hearing none, public

4021
02:18:11,825 --> 02:18:13,825
hearing

4022
02:18:14,828 --> 02:18:16,828
is closed.

4023
02:18:17,831 --> 02:18:19,833
other than the fact

4024
02:18:19,833 --> 02:18:20,834
that you don't look like nicole and nicole

4025
02:18:20,834 --> 02:18:22,834
is in my

4026
02:18:22,836 --> 02:18:26,840
notes here. It said nicole is going

4027
02:18:26,840 --> 02:18:27,841
to present.

4028
02:18:27,841 --> 02:18:28,842
>> you look

4029
02:18:28,842 --> 02:18:29,843
just fine. You're okay.

4030
02:18:29,843 --> 02:18:30,844
>> arnel set

4031
02:18:30,844 --> 02:18:32,846
I was presenting. I would happily

4032
02:18:32,846 --> 02:18:34,846
let

4033
02:18:34,848 --> 02:18:35,849
present.

4034
02:18:35,849 --> 02:18:36,850
>> so I was looking at that and

4035
02:18:36,850 --> 02:18:37,818
I was confused. Like this

4036
02:18:37,818 --> 02:18:38,819
isn't the one. I don't have a.

4037
02:18:38,819 --> 02:18:39,820
>>

4038
02:18:39,820 --> 02:18:41,820
we have

4039
02:18:41,822 --> 02:18:44,822
council discussion but this is

4040
02:18:44,825 --> 02:18:45,826
first public hearing so there's no

4041
02:18:45,826 --> 02:18:47,826
vote.

4042
02:18:47,828 --> 02:18:49,830
>> we wait 30 days. You'll see

4043
02:18:49,830 --> 02:18:50,831
it again.

4044
02:18:50,831 --> 02:18:53,231
>> see you in 30 days. >>

4045
02:18:55,836 --> 02:18:56,837
unfinished business. There is no item

4046
02:18:56,837 --> 02:18:58,837
in this section.

4047
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:01,840
new business. Letter

4048
02:19:02,843 --> 02:19:03,844
h 1.

4049
02:19:03,844 --> 02:19:05,844
>> mr. Mayor, I

4050
02:19:05,846 --> 02:19:06,847
would ask that we postpone that one

4051
02:19:06,847 --> 02:19:07,848
since we've

4052
02:19:07,848 --> 02:19:08,849
already discussed that.

4053
02:19:08,849 --> 02:19:09,850
>> I would

4054
02:19:09,850 --> 02:19:11,818
agree

4055
02:19:11,818 --> 02:19:13,818
with that.

4056
02:19:14,821 --> 02:19:16,821
>>

4057
02:19:16,823 --> 02:19:17,824
letter h 2.

4058
02:19:17,824 --> 02:19:18,825
>> as I said earlier,

4059
02:19:18,825 --> 02:19:20,825
I no

4060
02:19:23,830 --> 02:19:24,831
longer going to give the reports for

4061
02:19:24,831 --> 02:19:25,832
departments. I'll

4062
02:19:25,832 --> 02:19:26,834
get it for myself, for what's going

4063
02:19:26,834 --> 02:19:29,837
on, and then at meeting you are going

4064
02:19:29,837 --> 02:19:31,839
to have a director that

4065
02:19:31,839 --> 02:19:32,840
speaks about what's going on in their

4066
02:19:32,840 --> 02:19:35,240
department. So the first

4067
02:19:35,843 --> 02:19:36,844
guinea pig is going to be lynn. She

4068
02:19:36,844 --> 02:19:38,846
actually raised her hand

4069
02:19:38,846 --> 02:19:41,849
to do it, kind of. She was the

4070
02:19:41,849 --> 02:19:42,850
first one --

4071
02:19:42,850 --> 02:19:44,850
>> she was

4072
02:19:45,819 --> 02:19:46,820
volland

4073
02:19:46,820 --> 02:19:47,821
told. Welcome to the podium.

4074
02:19:47,821 --> 02:19:48,822
>> hi

4075
02:19:48,822 --> 02:19:50,824
mayor, council. Do we not have [

4076
02:19:50,824 --> 02:19:55,240
inaudible ]? Do they have a copy of

4077
02:19:56,830 --> 02:19:57,831
it? Okay. Okay. I don't have the powerpoint

4078
02:19:57,831 --> 02:19:59,831
to

4079
02:19:59,833 --> 02:20:00,834
put up but it sounds like you have

4080
02:20:00,834 --> 02:20:02,834
a copy

4081
02:20:03,837 --> 02:20:04,838
of it. I'm

4082
02:20:04,838 --> 02:20:06,840
short. Thank you. I'm actually very excited

4083
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:09,840
to be here presenting this

4084
02:20:09,843 --> 02:20:10,844
to you

4085
02:20:10,844 --> 02:20:12,846
tonight. What we are working on right

4086
02:20:12,846 --> 02:20:14,848
now in hr, which

4087
02:20:14,848 --> 02:20:17,818
I think the common thought is that

4088
02:20:17,818 --> 02:20:20,821
hr is not that fun, but I think it

4089
02:20:20,821 --> 02:20:21,822
is and this is an employee wellness

4090
02:20:21,822 --> 02:20:22,823
program so I'm

4091
02:20:22,823 --> 02:20:24,825
very excited to bring it to you. It's

4092
02:20:24,825 --> 02:20:26,827
been a long time coming. So based

4093
02:20:26,827 --> 02:20:27,828
on feedback that we received from

4094
02:20:27,828 --> 02:20:28,829
the employee engagement

4095
02:20:28,829 --> 02:20:30,831
committee, indicating a strong interest

4096
02:20:30,831 --> 02:20:32,831
in an employee

4097
02:20:33,834 --> 02:20:34,835
wellness

4098
02:20:34,835 --> 02:20:35,836
program that had some features that

4099
02:20:35,836 --> 02:20:38,839
the program that we get with our benefits

4100
02:20:38,839 --> 02:20:39,840
doesn't have. Some of the features

4101
02:20:39,840 --> 02:20:41,840
that

4102
02:20:42,843 --> 02:20:45,843
employees were looking for were

4103
02:20:45,846 --> 02:20:47,846
incentivized, incentivized rams,

4104
02:20:48,849 --> 02:20:50,851
some gifts for participating

4105
02:20:50,851 --> 02:20:51,818
in activities. Some team-based or

4106
02:20:51,818 --> 02:20:53,818
individual

4107
02:20:57,824 --> 02:20:58,825
fitness challenges to kind of

4108
02:20:58,825 --> 02:20:59,826
get a little competition going, friendly

4109
02:20:59,826 --> 02:21:01,828
competition going, to get some more

4110
02:21:01,828 --> 02:21:02,829
engagement. And then some recognition

4111
02:21:02,829 --> 02:21:05,829
for participating in the wellness

4112
02:21:06,834 --> 02:21:08,834
program

4113
02:21:09,837 --> 02:21:10,838
and. And

4114
02:21:10,838 --> 02:21:12,840
healthy choices for themed employee

4115
02:21:12,840 --> 02:21:13,841
events, just kind of creating a culture

4116
02:21:13,841 --> 02:21:14,842
of wellness for our employees, and

4117
02:21:14,842 --> 02:21:15,843
having workshops or online resources

4118
02:21:15,843 --> 02:21:17,843
to cover

4119
02:21:18,846 --> 02:21:20,848
health topics. So the benefits

4120
02:21:20,848 --> 02:21:21,849
in general of a wellness program when

4121
02:21:21,849 --> 02:21:23,849
we

4122
02:21:24,818 --> 02:21:25,819
did some research

4123
02:21:25,819 --> 02:21:27,821
on it, and there's a lot of articles

4124
02:21:27,821 --> 02:21:28,822
on it, the benefits for employees

4125
02:21:28,822 --> 02:21:30,824
and organizations that have those

4126
02:21:30,824 --> 02:21:32,824
employees working for

4127
02:21:32,826 --> 02:21:33,827
them, improved physical and mental

4128
02:21:33,827 --> 02:21:35,827
health among

4129
02:21:35,829 --> 02:21:36,830
employees and potential for reduced

4130
02:21:36,830 --> 02:21:38,830
health care

4131
02:21:39,833 --> 02:21:40,834
cost, increased productivity, fostering

4132
02:21:40,834 --> 02:21:42,834
a more

4133
02:21:42,836 --> 02:21:44,836
positive workplace culture,

4134
02:21:45,839 --> 02:21:46,840
decreasing absenteeism, it helps for

4135
02:21:46,840 --> 02:21:47,841
retention

4136
02:21:47,841 --> 02:21:50,841
and recruitment. It fosters teamwork

4137
02:21:51,845 --> 02:21:53,845
among employees. The

4138
02:21:54,848 --> 02:21:57,248
hr department, myself and

4139
02:21:57,818 --> 02:21:59,818
our benefits specialist,

4140
02:22:00,821 --> 02:22:02,821
we reviewed 17 different

4141
02:22:02,823 --> 02:22:03,824
programs initially. We narrowed that

4142
02:22:03,824 --> 02:22:06,224
down to four that

4143
02:22:06,827 --> 02:22:08,827
he got

4144
02:22:08,829 --> 02:22:09,830
demos on and pieced them out. We ended

4145
02:22:09,830 --> 02:22:10,831
up with

4146
02:22:10,831 --> 02:22:12,833
two quotes and the one that we ended

4147
02:22:12,833 --> 02:22:13,834
up deciding on that was more

4148
02:22:13,834 --> 02:22:15,836
cost-effective and delivered what

4149
02:22:15,836 --> 02:22:17,838
we were looking for, for

4150
02:22:17,838 --> 02:22:21,438
our employees, was well able. They

4151
02:22:24,845 --> 02:22:25,846
have a holistic approach

4152
02:22:25,846 --> 02:22:27,848
to wellness, which is that a lot of

4153
02:22:27,848 --> 02:22:28,849
times when you think about wellness,

4154
02:22:28,849 --> 02:22:29,850
you're

4155
02:22:29,850 --> 02:22:30,851
thinking about like physical wellness,

4156
02:22:30,851 --> 02:22:31,818
but this looks at it from a holistic

4157
02:22:31,818 --> 02:22:32,819
approach where

4158
02:22:32,819 --> 02:22:33,820
it is physical but it's emotional,

4159
02:22:33,820 --> 02:22:36,820
it's financial wellness, it's social

4160
02:22:36,823 --> 02:22:37,824
wellness, spiritual wellness, intellectual,

4161
02:22:37,824 --> 02:22:38,825
it's

4162
02:22:38,825 --> 02:22:42,829
a lot of different aspects of wellness.

4163
02:22:42,829 --> 02:22:45,832
and with the well able program

4164
02:22:45,832 --> 02:22:47,832
that we

4165
02:22:47,835 --> 02:22:48,836
did select, it does include wellness

4166
02:22:48,836 --> 02:22:50,836
challenges

4167
02:22:50,838 --> 02:22:51,839
that aren't just fiscal. They could

4168
02:22:51,839 --> 02:22:53,839
be about

4169
02:22:54,842 --> 02:22:57,845
mental wellness. I took a note that

4170
02:22:57,845 --> 02:22:59,847
one of them was

4171
02:22:59,847 --> 02:23:00,848
on time management, organization,

4172
02:23:00,848 --> 02:23:01,849
and productivity, so this

4173
02:23:01,849 --> 02:23:03,851
contributes to the work that they're

4174
02:23:03,851 --> 02:23:06,820
doing for the town as

4175
02:23:06,820 --> 02:23:09,220
well. It is incentivized.

4176
02:23:11,825 --> 02:23:12,826
the program --so if you do --the first

4177
02:23:12,826 --> 02:23:13,827
thing that we're going to launch

4178
02:23:13,827 --> 02:23:15,829
is a personal wellness assessment

4179
02:23:15,829 --> 02:23:18,832
and then that will give them

4180
02:23:18,832 --> 02:23:20,832
tailored wellness

4181
02:23:21,835 --> 02:23:23,837
resources and then they might

4182
02:23:23,837 --> 02:23:24,838
get a five dollar gift card for that

4183
02:23:24,838 --> 02:23:26,838
or credit

4184
02:23:27,841 --> 02:23:29,843
towards that so it's

4185
02:23:29,843 --> 02:23:30,844
an incentivized program. It's called

4186
02:23:30,844 --> 02:23:31,845
a rewards wallet and they have

4187
02:23:31,845 --> 02:23:33,847
access to over 800 different red cards

4188
02:23:33,847 --> 02:23:35,847
that they can

4189
02:23:37,818 --> 02:23:38,819
participate in wellness programs,

4190
02:23:38,819 --> 02:23:39,820
redeem for those credit cards. This

4191
02:23:39,820 --> 02:23:41,820
app and

4192
02:23:41,822 --> 02:23:42,823
device integrations. A lot of people

4193
02:23:42,823 --> 02:23:45,826
have like fitness apps on their phone

4194
02:23:45,826 --> 02:23:48,829
or they have a fit it

4195
02:23:48,829 --> 02:23:50,829
for

4196
02:23:50,831 --> 02:23:51,832
steps. There's a lot of devices that people

4197
02:23:51,832 --> 02:23:52,833
are already using. That will integrate

4198
02:23:52,833 --> 02:23:53,834
with

4199
02:23:53,834 --> 02:23:54,835
the system and they can get their

4200
02:23:54,835 --> 02:23:56,837
points that way for their steps or

4201
02:23:56,837 --> 02:23:57,838
whatever it is they are doing. There

4202
02:23:57,838 --> 02:23:58,839
is a community chat feature and

4203
02:23:58,839 --> 02:24:03,390
this is really fun, because it allows

4204
02:24:05,846 --> 02:24:06,847
employees --so we don't have these

4205
02:24:06,847 --> 02:24:07,848
silos and departments.

4206
02:24:07,848 --> 02:24:08,849
you can engage with somebody in the

4207
02:24:08,849 --> 02:24:09,850
streets department that you don't

4208
02:24:09,850 --> 02:24:11,818
actually ever

4209
02:24:11,818 --> 02:24:12,819
see what now you built this working relationship

4210
02:24:12,819 --> 02:24:13,820
with them in this fun way through

4211
02:24:13,820 --> 02:24:15,820
this

4212
02:24:15,822 --> 02:24:17,824
wellness program and now maybe

4213
02:24:17,824 --> 02:24:18,825
you have something, town issue that

4214
02:24:18,825 --> 02:24:19,826
you have to

4215
02:24:19,826 --> 02:24:21,828
discuss with them where you already

4216
02:24:21,828 --> 02:24:22,829
kind of built a rapport so it has

4217
02:24:22,829 --> 02:24:24,831
that benefit as well. There is health

4218
02:24:24,831 --> 02:24:26,831
content through

4219
02:24:27,835 --> 02:24:29,835
the website

4220
02:24:29,837 --> 02:24:30,838
in the way of webinars. There's on-demand

4221
02:24:30,838 --> 02:24:32,838
classes.

4222
02:24:34,842 --> 02:24:35,843
there's meditation. There's recipes.

4223
02:24:35,843 --> 02:24:36,844
there's all sorts of different things

4224
02:24:36,844 --> 02:24:38,844
that it's not

4225
02:24:39,847 --> 02:24:41,847
like one-size-fits-all. There's

4226
02:24:42,850 --> 02:24:45,819
clinical event verification, so when

4227
02:24:45,819 --> 02:24:47,821
we have our flu clinic, which

4228
02:24:47,821 --> 02:24:51,825
is coming up in october, this would

4229
02:24:51,825 --> 02:24:53,827
integrate with --we can verify

4230
02:24:53,827 --> 02:24:54,828
you went and got your flu shot if

4231
02:24:54,828 --> 02:24:57,228
that was a recommendation

4232
02:24:57,831 --> 02:24:58,832
for you and you

4233
02:24:58,832 --> 02:25:00,834
can get some points in the wellness

4234
02:25:00,834 --> 02:25:01,835
program for that purpose of really

4235
02:25:01,835 --> 02:25:03,835
incentivizing that preventative

4236
02:25:03,837 --> 02:25:06,237
care to keep our

4237
02:25:06,840 --> 02:25:07,841
employees healthier, benefits navigation.

4238
02:25:07,841 --> 02:25:08,842
we have a

4239
02:25:08,842 --> 02:25:09,843
lot of things that our benefit package

4240
02:25:09,843 --> 02:25:10,844
offers to our employees. The problem

4241
02:25:10,844 --> 02:25:11,845
is it

4242
02:25:11,845 --> 02:25:12,846
comes in 10 different flyers and everybody

4243
02:25:12,846 --> 02:25:14,848
doesn't have all in one spot. They

4244
02:25:14,848 --> 02:25:19,820
will host all of our benefits on the platform

4245
02:25:19,820 --> 02:25:21,822
for this. Employees will be directed

4246
02:25:21,822 --> 02:25:22,823
to this because they want to get those

4247
02:25:22,823 --> 02:25:24,823
incentivized activities done

4248
02:25:24,825 --> 02:25:26,827
and they'll have links

4249
02:25:26,827 --> 02:25:27,828
to all of our benefits on that page

4250
02:25:27,828 --> 02:25:29,828
as

4251
02:25:30,831 --> 02:25:33,831
well. And for us, so

4252
02:25:33,834 --> 02:25:35,836
we can kind of see what's going

4253
02:25:35,836 --> 02:25:36,837
on and gauge participation and how

4254
02:25:36,837 --> 02:25:39,837
we have to change it,

4255
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:41,840
there's program

4256
02:25:42,843 --> 02:25:45,846
analytics, and that is the recap of the wellness

4257
02:25:45,846 --> 02:25:46,847
program. We are actively in

4258
02:25:46,847 --> 02:25:48,849
the implementation stage right now

4259
02:25:48,849 --> 02:25:50,849
and

4260
02:25:51,818 --> 02:25:52,819
we're expecting employees on november

4261
02:25:52,819 --> 02:25:53,820
1st.

4262
02:25:53,820 --> 02:25:55,820
>>

4263
02:25:55,822 --> 02:25:56,823
thank you.

4264
02:25:56,823 --> 02:25:57,824
>>

4265
02:25:57,824 --> 02:25:58,825
any questions. We are very excited

4266
02:25:58,825 --> 02:26:00,825
about it.

4267
02:26:01,828 --> 02:26:03,828
>> yeah,

4268
02:26:03,830 --> 02:26:04,831
very excited.

4269
02:26:04,831 --> 02:26:05,832
>> thank you. >> you actually

4270
02:26:05,832 --> 02:26:06,834
brought it

4271
02:26:06,834 --> 02:26:07,835
to me and I was like, absolutely,

4272
02:26:07,835 --> 02:26:08,836
this is great, great job.

4273
02:26:08,836 --> 02:26:10,836
>>

4274
02:26:13,841 --> 02:26:14,842
thank you.

4275
02:26:14,842 --> 02:26:15,843
>> so we've

4276
02:26:15,843 --> 02:26:16,844
got one more.

4277
02:26:16,844 --> 02:26:18,844
>> one more, letter

4278
02:26:20,848 --> 02:26:22,850
h 3, discussion and possible action

4279
02:26:22,850 --> 02:26:24,818
regarding council

4280
02:26:24,818 --> 02:26:26,820
meeting protocols. Meeting when there's no

4281
02:26:26,820 --> 02:26:27,821
agenda items.

4282
02:26:27,821 --> 02:26:28,822
>> that was brought

4283
02:26:28,822 --> 02:26:30,822
to me from

4284
02:26:31,825 --> 02:26:34,225
counselor bell. Currently the

4285
02:26:34,828 --> 02:26:37,228
city clerk has the

4286
02:26:38,832 --> 02:26:39,833
opportunity to cancel a meeting if

4287
02:26:39,833 --> 02:26:40,834
there is nothing on the agenda. Your

4288
02:26:40,834 --> 02:26:42,834
code

4289
02:26:43,837 --> 02:26:46,237
says that so you

4290
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:47,841
know my

4291
02:26:47,841 --> 02:26:52,410
attitude, for somebody who has meetings all

4292
02:26:52,846 --> 02:26:55,849
day long, to have just another meeting

4293
02:26:55,849 --> 02:26:56,850
because,

4294
02:26:56,850 --> 02:26:58,819
and staff is having all these people

4295
02:26:58,819 --> 02:27:01,822
here when you guys have nothing

4296
02:27:01,822 --> 02:27:04,825
at all on your agenda, seems

4297
02:27:04,825 --> 02:27:06,825
to be,

4298
02:27:07,828 --> 02:27:08,829
you know, a waste of our

4299
02:27:08,829 --> 02:27:10,831
time. Now I appreciate some of the

4300
02:27:10,831 --> 02:27:12,833
comments that were made

4301
02:27:12,833 --> 02:27:16,837
today about giving the people an opportunity

4302
02:27:16,837 --> 02:27:18,837
to

4303
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:22,843
speak but it is a city

4304
02:27:22,843 --> 02:27:23,844
council

4305
02:27:23,844 --> 02:27:24,845
meeting. And I'm not trying to make

4306
02:27:24,845 --> 02:27:25,846
anybody mad or anything there's a

4307
02:27:25,846 --> 02:27:27,846
lot

4308
02:27:28,849 --> 02:27:30,849
of communities,

4309
02:27:30,851 --> 02:27:34,451
especially in arizona, who have discontinued

4310
02:27:34,821 --> 02:27:36,823
the public hearing because

4311
02:27:36,823 --> 02:27:37,824
of some of the animosity that comes

4312
02:27:37,824 --> 02:27:39,824
from

4313
02:27:40,827 --> 02:27:42,827
the podium,

4314
02:27:43,830 --> 02:27:45,830
and so

4315
02:27:46,834 --> 02:27:47,835
thinking you could just get rid of

4316
02:27:47,835 --> 02:27:49,837
it, I'm not recommending that at all what

4317
02:27:49,837 --> 02:27:50,838
I'm just saying is city

4318
02:27:50,838 --> 02:27:55,380
council doesn't have to have a meeting

4319
02:27:55,843 --> 02:27:57,843
just

4320
02:27:57,845 --> 02:27:58,846
because. So the reason I brought that

4321
02:27:58,846 --> 02:28:00,846
up

4322
02:28:01,849 --> 02:28:03,849
for

4323
02:28:04,818 --> 02:28:06,818
myself is

4324
02:28:07,821 --> 02:28:09,821
I

4325
02:28:10,824 --> 02:28:12,824
consider it

4326
02:28:12,826 --> 02:28:13,827
public, part of the agenda, is that

4327
02:28:13,827 --> 02:28:15,827
not part of

4328
02:28:16,830 --> 02:28:17,831
the agenda or is that just off-the-cuff

4329
02:28:17,831 --> 02:28:18,832
or

4330
02:28:18,832 --> 02:28:19,833
something to that effect? Is it an

4331
02:28:19,833 --> 02:28:21,833
agenda item

4332
02:28:22,836 --> 02:28:23,837
or not an agenda item?

4333
02:28:23,837 --> 02:28:24,838
>>

4334
02:28:24,838 --> 02:28:25,839
it is.

4335
02:28:25,839 --> 02:28:26,840
>> and then the other, I think

4336
02:28:26,840 --> 02:28:28,840
the citizens have

4337
02:28:28,842 --> 02:28:29,843
a

4338
02:28:29,843 --> 02:28:31,845
right to express their viewpoints,

4339
02:28:31,845 --> 02:28:34,848
and if we are not going

4340
02:28:34,848 --> 02:28:36,848
to have

4341
02:28:37,851 --> 02:28:40,851
a meeting, I think we're

4342
02:28:43,824 --> 02:28:45,826
distancing's will ourselves from the citizens,

4343
02:28:45,826 --> 02:28:46,827
in my personal opinion. And also based upon

4344
02:28:46,827 --> 02:28:48,827
the town manager,

4345
02:28:49,830 --> 02:28:52,230
he's saying that he's

4346
02:28:52,833 --> 02:28:55,833
turning over to the department

4347
02:28:55,836 --> 02:28:57,836
heads

4348
02:28:57,838 --> 02:28:58,839
to give their presentation on what's

4349
02:28:58,839 --> 02:29:00,839
happened from the

4350
02:29:01,842 --> 02:29:04,842
last agenda to this agenda.

4351
02:29:07,848 --> 02:29:09,848
>> vers

4352
02:29:10,851 --> 02:29:11,818
is

4353
02:29:11,818 --> 02:29:13,820
on what's going on in their department.

4354
02:29:13,820 --> 02:29:14,821
>> what's going on in their department,

4355
02:29:14,821 --> 02:29:15,822
so

4356
02:29:15,822 --> 02:29:16,823
that's part of the agenda also, correct?

4357
02:29:16,823 --> 02:29:17,824
>> well that's under new business.

4358
02:29:17,824 --> 02:29:18,825
that

4359
02:29:18,825 --> 02:29:19,826
doesn't have to be on there, no. You

4360
02:29:19,826 --> 02:29:21,826
currently

4361
02:29:21,828 --> 02:29:22,829
have the --public speaking has a public

4362
02:29:22,829 --> 02:29:23,830
standing item on your agenda.

4363
02:29:23,830 --> 02:29:24,831
>> under

4364
02:29:24,831 --> 02:29:25,832
open eating law it's not required

4365
02:29:25,832 --> 02:29:26,834
for meetings.

4366
02:29:26,834 --> 02:29:28,834
>> I

4367
02:29:28,836 --> 02:29:29,837
heard that. I

4368
02:29:29,837 --> 02:29:30,838
understand. I just wanted to have

4369
02:29:30,838 --> 02:29:31,839
a discussion because people were upset

4370
02:29:31,839 --> 02:29:34,239
about that. We were

4371
02:29:34,842 --> 02:29:37,842
gone for a time so

4372
02:29:37,845 --> 02:29:39,845
I just wanted

4373
02:29:40,848 --> 02:29:43,851
to get an opinion on what

4374
02:29:43,851 --> 02:29:44,852
people thought. If they think it's

4375
02:29:44,852 --> 02:29:46,820
relevant for

4376
02:29:46,820 --> 02:29:48,822
the town to come and

4377
02:29:48,822 --> 02:29:49,823
express themselves.

4378
02:29:49,823 --> 02:29:50,824
>> a couple questions.

4379
02:29:50,824 --> 02:29:51,825
one of the

4380
02:29:51,825 --> 02:29:52,826
meetings was canceled because there

4381
02:29:52,826 --> 02:29:54,826
was leaving

4382
02:29:55,829 --> 02:29:56,830
cities, right.

4383
02:29:56,830 --> 02:29:58,830
>> a lot of

4384
02:29:58,832 --> 02:29:59,833
stuff was gone.

4385
02:29:59,833 --> 02:30:00,834
>> or another

4386
02:30:00,834 --> 02:30:01,835
training event.

4387
02:30:01,835 --> 02:30:02,836
>> elections conference

4388
02:30:02,836 --> 02:30:03,837
and it

4389
02:30:03,837 --> 02:30:07,841
was a end of school year and lots

4390
02:30:07,841 --> 02:30:10,844
of staff had been --we didn't

4391
02:30:10,844 --> 02:30:13,244
have anything come up.

4392
02:30:13,847 --> 02:30:15,847
>> and I

4393
02:30:15,849 --> 02:30:16,850
get that. There was a lot of other

4394
02:30:16,850 --> 02:30:18,819
things

4395
02:30:18,819 --> 02:30:19,820
going on and there wasn't a lot for

4396
02:30:19,820 --> 02:30:21,820
us

4397
02:30:21,822 --> 02:30:22,823
to discuss to discuss so I understand

4398
02:30:22,823 --> 02:30:24,823
why it

4399
02:30:25,826 --> 02:30:28,226
was done. The last

4400
02:30:28,829 --> 02:30:30,829
one might be

4401
02:30:31,832 --> 02:30:33,832
an exception.

4402
02:30:34,835 --> 02:30:36,837
prof my mind as well that even if

4403
02:30:36,837 --> 02:30:37,838
they are not an agenda item, we do

4404
02:30:37,838 --> 02:30:39,840
have a lot of things to

4405
02:30:39,840 --> 02:30:40,841
discuss.

4406
02:30:40,841 --> 02:30:41,842
>> or to beard about, I guess.

4407
02:30:41,842 --> 02:30:43,844
may be for people like mr.

4408
02:30:43,844 --> 02:30:45,844
dunning,

4409
02:30:45,846 --> 02:30:46,847
who gets a shower and gets dressed,

4410
02:30:46,847 --> 02:30:47,848
and comes

4411
02:30:47,848 --> 02:30:49,850
here, I mean, people look forward

4412
02:30:49,850 --> 02:30:51,818
to it.

4413
02:30:51,818 --> 02:30:52,819
>> we've got to make sure that he's

4414
02:30:52,819 --> 02:30:54,819
on the

4415
02:30:55,822 --> 02:30:56,823
email list, as there's no sense.

4416
02:30:56,823 --> 02:30:57,824
>>

4417
02:30:57,824 --> 02:30:58,825
sorry

4418
02:30:58,825 --> 02:30:59,826
about that, mr. Dunning...

4419
02:30:59,826 --> 02:31:01,826
>> I just

4420
02:31:01,828 --> 02:31:04,828
think that some people, and

4421
02:31:04,831 --> 02:31:07,835
they think this is kind of their public

4422
02:31:07,835 --> 02:31:08,836
foreign. They can blast us to some

4423
02:31:08,836 --> 02:31:10,836
extent, and

4424
02:31:10,838 --> 02:31:13,238
we all have emails

4425
02:31:13,841 --> 02:31:16,844
that are on the town website,

4426
02:31:16,844 --> 02:31:17,845
if they want to throw something at

4427
02:31:17,845 --> 02:31:19,845
us

4428
02:31:19,847 --> 02:31:21,847
they can

4429
02:31:22,850 --> 02:31:25,250
do that. I'm not

4430
02:31:25,819 --> 02:31:28,219
saying to eliminate its

4431
02:31:28,822 --> 02:31:31,822
but I don't think we

4432
02:31:31,825 --> 02:31:32,826
need to have a regular town meeting

4433
02:31:32,826 --> 02:31:34,826
to allow

4434
02:31:34,828 --> 02:31:36,828
that to

4435
02:31:36,830 --> 02:31:37,831
happen. There were some meaningful

4436
02:31:37,831 --> 02:31:40,831
presentations that could bring us

4437
02:31:41,835 --> 02:31:43,835
up

4438
02:31:43,837 --> 02:31:44,838
to date, to prepare us for some other things

4439
02:31:44,838 --> 02:31:45,839
that were going to

4440
02:31:45,839 --> 02:31:47,841
be coming on the agenda, then I think

4441
02:31:47,841 --> 02:31:48,842
that would --

4442
02:31:48,842 --> 02:31:50,842
>> is not going

4443
02:31:50,844 --> 02:31:52,844
to happen very

4444
02:31:53,847 --> 02:31:54,848
often, tracy. How often does it

4445
02:31:54,848 --> 02:31:56,850
happen, once in five years, twice

4446
02:31:56,850 --> 02:31:57,851
in five years?

4447
02:31:57,851 --> 02:31:58,819
>> that was

4448
02:31:58,819 --> 02:31:59,820
my comment, in my five years --

4449
02:31:59,820 --> 02:32:00,821
>>

4450
02:32:00,821 --> 02:32:01,822
this is

4451
02:32:01,822 --> 02:32:02,823
a first time for me.

4452
02:32:02,823 --> 02:32:03,824
>> a perfect

4453
02:32:03,824 --> 02:32:04,825
storm that there was --

4454
02:32:04,825 --> 02:32:08,829
people were gone and we had had league

4455
02:32:08,829 --> 02:32:11,229
and elections training and

4456
02:32:13,834 --> 02:32:14,835
just, yeah, she came in and said we

4457
02:32:14,835 --> 02:32:15,836
don't have anything on the

4458
02:32:15,836 --> 02:32:16,837
agenda.

4459
02:32:16,837 --> 02:32:17,838
>> I just got comments. >>

4460
02:32:17,838 --> 02:32:19,838
it's totally up

4461
02:32:20,841 --> 02:32:21,842
to --

4462
02:32:21,842 --> 02:32:23,842
>> staff will bring

4463
02:32:23,844 --> 02:32:25,844
it

4464
02:32:26,847 --> 02:32:27,848
up.

4465
02:32:27,848 --> 02:32:28,849
>> read their emails and listen

4466
02:32:28,849 --> 02:32:29,850
to what they say. I just thought it

4467
02:32:29,850 --> 02:32:30,851
was appropriate.

4468
02:32:30,851 --> 02:32:32,819
>> I think we continue to leave it

4469
02:32:32,819 --> 02:32:34,819
up to

4470
02:32:35,822 --> 02:32:36,823
our staff's discretion.

4471
02:32:36,823 --> 02:32:38,823
>>

4472
02:32:38,825 --> 02:32:39,826
I think

4473
02:32:39,826 --> 02:32:44,260
just keep heading in the same direction.

4474
02:32:44,831 --> 02:32:46,831
>> without the county

4475
02:32:46,834 --> 02:32:47,835
commissioners or the elected officials,

4476
02:32:47,835 --> 02:32:49,835
this is the

4477
02:32:53,841 --> 02:32:54,842
first time

4478
02:32:54,842 --> 02:32:56,844
it's everything, council, in my all-time.

4479
02:32:56,844 --> 02:32:59,847
it's not going to happen that

4480
02:32:59,847 --> 02:33:00,848
often , but like I said,

4481
02:33:00,848 --> 02:33:02,850
if there is nothing, there's no reason

4482
02:33:02,850 --> 02:33:03,851
to have a meeting.

4483
02:33:03,851 --> 02:33:05,819
>> the

4484
02:33:05,819 --> 02:33:07,819
town needs to

4485
02:33:10,824 --> 02:33:11,825
show someone . We got people in place

4486
02:33:11,825 --> 02:33:12,826
at

4487
02:33:12,826 --> 02:33:13,827
the right time.

4488
02:33:13,827 --> 02:33:14,828
>> not on fridays.

4489
02:33:14,828 --> 02:33:15,829
the town is going ahead on friday.

4490
02:33:15,829 --> 02:33:17,829
>> yes.

4491
02:33:17,831 --> 02:33:18,832
don't call.

4492
02:33:18,832 --> 02:33:20,832
>>

4493
02:33:20,834 --> 02:33:22,834
don't call pd

4494
02:33:23,837 --> 02:33:25,837
or

4495
02:33:26,840 --> 02:33:27,841
fire.

4496
02:33:27,841 --> 02:33:29,843
>> get a permit. >> get

4497
02:33:29,843 --> 02:33:30,844
a permit.

4498
02:33:30,844 --> 02:33:32,844
>> got it. >>

4499
02:33:32,846 --> 02:33:33,847
that's it.

4500
02:33:33,847 --> 02:33:35,847
>>

4501
02:33:36,850 --> 02:33:38,819
my suggested motion is let's go home.

4502
02:33:38,819 --> 02:33:39,820
we are adjourned.

4503
02:33:39,820 --> 02:33:41,820
>> seconded.