stand in for the
invocation I to of the United States of
America and to the for stands one nation
God indivisible liy and justice for
all our heavenly father we are very
grateful to be able to be here this
evening and to meet with the Town
Council we pray for thy Spirit to bless us and guide us as we discuss uh
various matters before us we're also
thankful to be able to recognize uh
recipients of awards throughout our
community we're thankful for our
emergency responders for all that they
do to protect us and to serve the needs
of our community we appreciate their
sacrifice and pray for a blessing of
peace and protection upon them and upon
their families we're thankful for the
moisture that we have received and we
pray that thou continue to bless our
region with with the snow that we need
to help to protect our forests and our
lakes and our rivers and streams and we
acknowledge thy hand in all things and
say this in the name of Jesus Christ
amen thank you Keith Item B on our
agenda tonight is call to the public
this is a business meeting of the Town
Council the town values and welcomes
public input please address the council
as a whole and not individual council
members do not address staff or members
of the audience Council action on items
brought up and call to the public is
limited by the open meeting law Council
may direct staff to study the matter and
reschedule for further consideration at
a later date items on the agenda are not
heard and individuals are limited to 3
minutes I don't have any requests so if
this is the time if you would like to
speak tonight okay we'll move on then to
item C which is our consent agenda all
items listed are considered routine
matters and will be enacted by one
motion the Council there will be no
separate discussion unless a member of
council requests that an item or items
be removed council members may ask
questions without removal of the item
from the consent agenda and items are
considered in their normal sequence as
listed unless called out of order are
there any questions from the council
councelor Craig bomb any questions for
you no I'm fine thank you okay councelor
smiter um I ask to be excused to abstain
myself because one of the items on the
consent agenda is something I'm involved
with so I'll
abstain okay should we just pull that
one item just for that one item okay
chrisy we need a motion for that correct
okay do I have a motion to remove item
C2 from the consent agenda please vice
mayor uh I move to remove item C2 from
uh the consent agenda at this time I
second that thank you all in favor
please signify by raising your right
hand councelor cbom
I thank you then um I will entertain a
motion for item
C1 vice mayor I move to approve uh C1
the the minutes of the Town council
meeting held on February 1st 2024 I
second that thank you all those in favor
please signify by raising your right
hand councelor cig bomb I thank you
we'll go back then to item C2 which is a
special event liquor license for the
balloon
festival vice mayor I move to uh approve
C2 the approval of a special event
liquor license for the balloon festival
at Mountain meow park for June 21st and
22nd 2024 I second that thank you we
have a motion to Second all in favor
please signify by raising your right
hand thank you councelor CRI bomb I
thank you we'll note that um councelor
snitzer abstained from that vote moving
on then to item D which is business
before our Council public comment will
be taken at the beginning of each agenda
item after the subject has been
announced by the mayor and explained by
staff any citizen who wishes may speak
one time for five minutes on each agenda
item before or after Council discussion
questions from Council Members however
may be directed to staff or a member of
the public through the mayor at any time
item D1 is a presentation of awards for
the voice of democracy audio
essays Christie is this you no it's
that's what I thought George come on up
make sure you stay close to the little
red lights so everybody can hear you
very good uh mayor council um on behalf
of BFW post 2364 I want to thank you
again for having us here every year
doing this um it's it's a good thing for
the I think for some of the kids and of
course law enforcement enironment EMTs
they don't get enough credit and you
know they can't take this one to the
bank but it might lighten their heart a
little bit I don't know uh at the first
meeting this month John Bey gave out uh
one of the voice of democracy Awards and
the other two uh winners we had I
believe were over at the high school
participating in a stage play so we'd
like to catch up on that tonight
starting out with the voice of democracy
Awards and I know that John explained it
all to you last meeting so off for go
that tonight so we'll start off with our
third place award voice of De Ry and
that is Brook
horn I don't see them tonight both and
Grace were going to come tonight I don't
know if something happened unless
they're out in the hallway I don't see
them yeah I don't either okay we'll just
move them along then the other one's not
here either no neither one of those
could announce it go ahead and announce
their names though anyhow uh anyhow go
back uh Brooke would have gotten a check
for
$50 and then Grace Smithson
uh who was second place would have got a
check for
$75 and at the last uh council meeting
Jackson Woods who our first place got a
$100 and then with the district uh he
took third place so he would have got
another $75 there so we got that well
congratulations to all of those students
they did a good job they really do they
do um then we'll go ahead to your next
item D2 which is presentation of Public
Service Awards from efw post 23 la
firefighter and EMT emergency medical
technician um we'll start off with uh
the co a code enforcement it's a Police
Service Officer Chelsea H for the town
of Pinetop
[Applause]
Lakeside
next we have our deputy sheriff Haley
farus from the neevo county sheriff's
[Applause]
office
no
thanks and the next award I think I said
the same thing last year is kind of
close to my heart as both my wife and I
were Detention officers down in Puma
County for uh Clarence stupnick back in
that's a long time ago if you guys knew
what but anyhow we have Deputy A
detention deputy sheriff Brian
mcelrath in the Navajo County
[Applause]
shff
fire fire Lewis marabelli from Pinetop
fire
district and last we have paramedic paramedic Zack
vanik I said that
[Applause]
right
again mayor council thank you for having
us okay yeah sh and Dan if we could get
Dan up here and
Jim and Dave is Dave here he's spting
around oh there he is Sheriff clouse we
can get them all up here and get a
[Music]
picture okay you guys got to get way
closer
together
two thanks
[Applause]
again thank you for being here George
and congratulations to all of you we do
appreciate all of your service thank
you okay we'll move on then to item D4
which is excuse me item
D3 presentation from Navajo County
Sheriff's Office including a recap of
2023 and plans for
2024 sheriff klous and Lieutenant
Williams
well good
evening nice to see you yeah thank you
for having us mayor and City uh members
of the council it's good to be here and
thank you to the BFW and for the town of
Pinetop Lakeside for always doing this
annually and recognizing uh the men and
women that serve as First Responders
throughout the community as we were
coming here tonight I was thinking about
all the different deputies and police
officers and firefighters we've honored
over the years coming here and it's
remarkable there truly is
a huge amount of of true heroes that serve us each and every day and uh
couldn't be happier to be here and to
celebrate them today so two or three
years ago we started uh as the Sheriff's
Office coming to City Council meetings
to give a brief presentation of an
update of kind of some of the um joint
operations or um task forces that we
work together with the cities we know
that Public Safety is one of the more
expensive expensive items on each of
your budgets it's one of your more uh
critical items that I know the public SP
special attention to to include roads as
one of them as well but Public Safety is
something that's always on the Forefront
of each of our minds and it it does come
at a high cost and we as Public Safety
officials and leaders always come to uh
Boards of Supervisors City councils
asking for more and more and more and
sometimes you have to have a little
justification as to why we need that
expensive equipment or what we're doing
and I know that the sheriff's off office
operates in and around and throughout
each of our communities within this
County and so I feel an obligation and a
duty to report back to you as well means
that we're operating within your city
and we're also operating on the
especially in Pint toop Lakeside where
it's so checkerboard but we're also
working with your Police Department each
and every day trying to find ways not to
duplicate services but to try to uh
share resources and I see one of the big
successes of that has been the the
regional communication that is something
that dates back 10 years ago that we
tried to get accomplished and you saw
sholo really worked there and we're kind
of on the northern part but in part of
our presentation I wanted to share
tonight is how we've made a lot of
stride in the last two years um so last
year I came here and we talked about our
SRT team or our joint team how we're
working together on that we talked about
Communications we talked about criminal
investigations we talked about mcap
which we're going to give an update here
tonight and we talked about uh kind of
joint operations with traffic
enforcement those are kind of five areas
that we work with your Chief um trying
to do these things in in in
collaboration as as a uh as law
enforcement this year kind of some of
our Focus that I wanted to report on
some some uh successes where we've made
some Headway um
we we have looked for ways to fund a lot
of these operations through the state or
through different federal grants I know
that in my opening remarks we talk about
the cost the burden that this brings and
you guys have so many different uh
priorities that you're trying to weigh
and sometimes you're not able to to to fund these at the levels that we want
MCAT is one of those that is a it's a
multi- agency Joint Task force it is
proactive work and sometimes a lot of
our Chiefs and and the sheriff's office
we need to have deputies and officers
doing our calls for service our first
responder work and these these uh kind
of these proactive task forces sometimes
are the ones that that get staffed last
and one of the things is we would like
to join those task forces if there was
funding or if there's vehicles or if
there's things that that make it um
appealing for us financially to join
that that um this last year we as the
Arizona sheriff's Association lobbied at
the state legislature through the
governor's office to take the Bard what
governor Ducey started was a border
Strike Force well with the change in
leadership that that was kind of going
to go away and we kind of said hey don't
throw out the baby with the bath water
right and so Governor Hobbs had
reallocated those funds through the
legislative uh process it was
appropriation that was where all the
counties were able
to um essentially apply for that and so
we did a $1 million kind of Grant
application to receive those funds which
would now be sent to the county to work
and to fund mcap we used to do a lot of
these fundings through burn Jag and
through asset forfeiture those things
have really changed and you're relying
on the federal government now we're
relying on the state and this not
relying on the state but we're asking
the state to help fund it with the
opioid crisis with the f all crisis with
the poorest border and we're seeing a
lot of these things that have an effect
on us you're seeing a lot of great work
that MCAT has been doing over the years
with their productivity and their
production what we've been able to
manage here locally we were able to ask
for $1 million Grant we we expect to to
receive that in full which those funds
were going to be pushed each of our
municipalities as an opportunity where
they can put someone on the task force
up to 75% funded and so that's a
exciting opportunity that is essentially
two to three times more than what we've
done in the past and that's something
that we as are looking to um be United
within the county that there's there's a
great opportunity that's going to bring
additional services to your community um
the next thing on our Communications
with Pinetop Lakeside Joint Forces with
sholo we have been working with sholo to
make sure that we're not going in
different directions I'm not an expert
when it comes comes to VHF UHF LTE and
all these things but I'm learning it as
I'm going and we have people that speak
those languages and we got together with
your Chief and the City of scholo Chief
to say if you guys move this direction
we're going to move that direction vice
versa that way our two centers Don't Go
in different directions and that way
that you as community members and
councils don't see any um variances
between how these operate and that when
someone calls 91 one I don't think they
care if it goes to Holbrook or if it
goes to sholo or how it gets there they
just need resources sent quickly right
and so that's what our Focus has been in
November the Navajo last year the Navajo
County Sheriff's Office so part of that
conversation I'll just step back just
one part of that conversation was not
only do we have these centers but we
need to really up our infrastructure
sites we're operating on four tower
sites in our entire County we felt we
need to be looking at other models of
other counties we need to be around 15
or 16 18 20 sites Towers repeaters uh we
needed better uh Portables better mobils
in our vehicles Navajo County Sheriff's
Office applied for a Dema Grant through
it's it's federal funds that were sent
uh or no they're from the state that
were sent to DEA that law enforcement
was able to apply for we applied the
Sheriff's Office on behalf of all uh law
enforcement we received a $7 million
Grant and with that Grant we have P
we're purchasing radios for every police
officer in this County and we're
purchasing radio sites and and all that
so that we are taking uh the steps
forward with the city of sholo to ensure
that everybody's Communication in
everybody's vehicle fire and police and
Sheriff's is all talking on the same
language and uh that that is in the
works now the grant has been awarded and
it's this $5 million or it's a 5year $7
million
Grant and2 or3 million of those was
carved out for this for uh radio
infrastructure um next thing three or
four years ago we talked about a gel
District uh being implemented within
Navajo County that has been about 5
years that has been very
um what' you say it's put good
foundation and good structure to the
future of jail operations within this
County with that we in the last couple
years have gone outside of just looking
at detention costs medical costs and
feeding inmates and just doing those
routine mandatory obligations that we
have we're now looking at programs that
we're starting within the Jael to do
actual Rehabilitation or what we're
calling re-entry when we say re-entry
when people leave the facility and
re-enter Society
these are my neighbors these are your
neighbors they are being held
accountable and they're being booked in
for for crimes that they've committed
but while they're there we're finding
that a vast majority of these around 50%
it's a substance mental mental illness
or substance abuse type thing the other
half are serious crimes that they'll
probably end up spending DLC time but on
those ones that are shortterm going to
be re-entered we're looking to start two
where we are starting two programs one
for the this re-entry where they working
with the prosecutor's office where they
are going to be given um kind of
diversion for for treatment and where
their accountability is not dismissed
but it's in condition with receiving
treatment and then we're going to also
have in inhouse or in custody uh
substance abuse treatment that way when
your cities and the cities within here
book them in within ril you're going to
get back hopefully a better better
citizen that's going to come back and um
with successes of not having as many
addicted to these drugs and hopefully
become a property owner taxpayer and
start contributing to society so that is
something that we're really excited
about because of that jail district and
that we now have that stability in there
we now are applying for these grants
we're seeing great strides in what we
are uh in our jail
operations um touched on the regional
dispat and how that's moving along
coming in the same direction CI criminal
investigations you guys have had one of
the best or not the best one of the
most prolific um Cold Case Sol solved
cases uh in recent history in this
County it was remarkable work that your Police Department did you you
should be extremely proud of that case
that they
did um criminal investigations is one of
the most critical aspects I look at each
of our our um our departments that is
where we're handling some of the more
serious crimes we're looking at
30-year-old homicides like like we that
was dealing with here we're looking at
crimes against children we're looking at
um large dollar frauds we're looking at
um suicides and all and essentially all
death investigations that we we need to
make sure we do it right and we don't
make any type of mistakes um and that's
where we as as a county have really
worked together we have what we call the
Navajo County homicide Task Force if we
have a critical incident we rely on each
of the communities or each of the cities
to to come together to support one
another but it gets burdensome on a lot
of these smaller departments where
they're like I don't have the overtime
funds to send them there I don't have
the training for these types of things
and then vice versa when someone has to
come to our community and send ler
detective for a day or two it it's one
of those things it's it's hard to wait
but we always do what's what's best for
the
community so we had an appropriation
that now we've just received it for the
second year in a row we're receiving
$120,000 each uh budget Year from the
state to go to these region there was
five Regional task force identified and
Navajo County was one of them because we
applied through it through the Sheriff's
Office that way when we ask for your
detectives to go to these type of
trainings or to to work with us that we
can help with not only the cost of the
overtime but with the training and the
supplies and so those are ways that
we're looking for Solutions we're
finding these funds in these three
different areas that are really
hopefully going to to make a difference
in our in our Public Safety and our
criminal justice going forward so with
that I just want to give quick update on
those five things and then we had um
kind of our MCAT update we always do we
try to talk about specifically of the
type of crimes that we were working in
and around the Pint toop Lakeside area
and some of those statistical data is
okay he was going to give this part of
it but he's running late so I think you
just may hold him in uh hold him in
contemp for something right but I'll go
ahead and do
it um did it go where do I point it at
this just try to point it at this
computer there you go yeah okay so these
are their 2022 annual uh statistics for
um
nav as you can see methamphetamine
heroin and uh cocaine was one of the
more surprising things but these are in either in pounds or grams of of what
we sees you can see that fentanyl at 2.1
million pills is the drug of choice
throughout America in Arizona and in
Navajo County it is it is overtaken what we're seeing being traffic what
we're seeing on the streets um it has
the highest level potency you've seen
all the reports it's still
I think it was two years ago it Arizona does a uh threat assessment
on on the drug trafficing and and what heida um sees as as the biggest
threats to our communities and it was
methamphetamine held the top drug for at
least a decade it was two years ago that
fentanyl overcame that and it and it's
done it with quite the force and it's
something that we're we're certainly
concerned about and we're continued
because the numbers just keep Rising um everything else kind of seemed
to have plateaued but uh cocaine had
made a rise in the last year uh we
conducted 68 search warrants throughout
this is mcap which is the regional task
force that everybody uh participates
with and we they conducted 68 search
warrants countywide uh during that last
year um that was in 22 here in 23 you
can see that the fentanyl pills went
down by a million um lot of those lot of
those seizures are coming on the
interstate and
um we we would
attribute throughout Arizona the numbers
were still higher but our local seizures
just went down it's not that we're
seeing less coming through the state we
just uh interdicted Less on on the
interstate and part of that would be
that our deputies and our DET Texas
working in this TR task force were uh
instead of doing a lot of interdiction
work we're doing a lot of those search
warrants working uh working what we call
drug trafficking organizations and
trying to to intercept those and
dismantle those um some of the
comparisons have kind of kind of the
trends stayed consistent throughout the
years but certainly methamphetamine or
Methamphetamine and Fentanyl is is uh
the two highest uh
producers um M catar compared from 2022
to 2023 we we had
24 uh3 this year and or last year and
then 20 228 the year before so you
seeing our our arrests with this task
force have gone
up uh here's our agency assist broken
down uh between each agency and as you
can see in the pie chart uh they're
assisting every agency uh in to include
Apache County um as they've become truly
one of the uh hardest hitting fastest re
acting groups within the the White
Mountains we're really proud of the work
that they've done and that that each of
these agencies rely or not rely on them
but they depend on them and they really
use utilize their
services
um why are you familiar with this this
one
yeah so back in April we uh had some
information that received from some of
our local agency
officers
with different subjects coming in and
have a hotel room in the sholo area
within that we started looking into it
with our detectives with the assistance
of like DPS Arizona gang task force as
well through this mult multiple traffic
stops were made throughout sholo into
snowflake Heber even up into pint top
that were all related to come in from
this room by the time we were done with
it uh we made the 19 arrest five search
warrants were actually served one of
them was actually served by Phoenix Drug
Enforcement Bureau with us on a Target
down in the valley that all tied into
this
area this is also part of a couple
people that we have actually arrested
two to three times not just only our
task force but shd Pine Top Lakeside
police officers so it's one of one of
them and we've actually just got a
sentence in both two of the suspects
Reed 5 years prison time out of it so
that's been really
good thank
you
um here we have a
couple those yeah remember these so we
have one detective that's actually a
full-time Task Force officer assigned to
Homeland Security out of Flag Staff um
they received a lot of multiple tips
regarding sex offenses throughout the
state um our officers that's assigned to
that he actually this tip came in
and received information of a bunch of
sexually explicit material involving a
CH child um he called me directly we
started working it with Homeland
Security same day that we had the tip we
had suspect in custody did three search
warrants on the house two houses one on
a vehicle was able to get the suspect in
custody who was working at a local
business um speaking with County
attorneys I mean there're so far at up
11 counts of the exploitation uh sexual
exploitation of a minor photographs um
there is still information going on
Investigation to further into this which
could lead to more charges so basically
our mkat team is not only just looking
at our dope stuff if it's a major crime
we get information on we kind of run
with it also in August uh wisell police
department called us and said hey we've
got a bunch of string of burglaries in
there air where one of them is actually
a robbery guy walks into a Circle K just
walks in there with a knife starts just
loading alcohol cigarettes and walks out
with about $4,000 worth of product um we
was able to identify who the guy was
which was also one of our targets we are
looking at for some drug sales So within
24 hours we did a search warrant on the
residence and recovered probably 50 to
60% of the property and located uh
stolen firearm along with some some
drugs out of it so it was a really good
partnership with all all the agencies on
any of these cases because part with
just our little task force there's
usually three s or three detectives one
Sergeant working most of it we can't do
it without the help of our local agency
even the patrol officers just because of
Manpower and the time it's been really
beneficial thank
you yeah this one we speaking of Jael
operations we had an overdose you know
fentanyl is is smuggled into everywhere
we had a we had an individual who was
remanded in court and was sent or was
sent you know uh to jail and he had
smuggled in couple pills in his shoes
that was missed during the search he had
transferred one to his uh cmate who
started overdose that's why these
deputies are recognized for their life-
saving measures they performed CPR
revive them but MCAT was called in to do
an investigation to find out who he was
who brought him in and where they did
that with that information they were
able to go back to the residents
intercept a lot of gun stolen guns uh
fent andol that was still in the home
that led to several arrests from that so
uh even though we took one tragic
scenario that occurred in the jail these uh this great team was able to uh
further that and uh bring uh several
others that were contributing this to
Justice um with that those are just a
couple of the snapshots of of of the
operations that we're doing here in
Navajo County but of course uh open up
to any questions if you have any if not
I just want to thank you again for your
time thank you for the the uh
partnership and the work that we work in
working with your city and uh the great
uh Chief and and command sta that you
have at the city of pintop that uh work
diligently uh to ensure that Public
Safety is is it uh is a priority within
this community and we couldn't uh we
enjoy working with them and and being
Partners in that in that mission each
and every day so thank you sheriff and
Wy appreciate those updates um it's just
amazing kind of scary in our little
small towns we would think that we were
to this but I think you have your head
in a sand if you continue to think that
um any other questions or comments that
was a great report councelor Craig bomb
do you have anything you'd like to
add no thank you and we appreciate all
the work that you're doing to obtain
those grants um we all know how precious
the dollar is and we need to to keep
working on so thank you sheriff wely for
coming tonight yes yes thank you yes
appreciate you very
much we'll then go ahead and move on to
item D4 which is consider approval of
resolution Number 24- 1700 authorizing a
call of election for the town of pintop
Lakeside 2024 primary and general
election
Christie this one is you yes good
evening mayor and Council I am going to
get back over to the correct screen here
um so this resolution is for the call of
election for the primary election and if
needed the general election I just want
to give a little bit of background
because um as of Friday February
9th um the governor signed House Bill
2785 which changed the primary election
by one week it moved it one week earlier
the reason for the change in that um
date is in 2022 a bill was signed that
changed the the percentage of ballots
that could be challenged for a recount
from 0.1 to5 so with the increase they
say it could take longer there's going
to be it could possibly cause more
recounts so in order to give them enough
time to get the ballots counted so that
they do count in the election they had
to ch change it by a week this could be
a permanent thing is what they're saying
it's not just for the primary election
this year it could be for the ones
oncoming um this doesn't affect the
general election but um there was a
possibility that if that didn't get
changed none of Arizona's votes would
have counted at all so they moved that
to July 30th um for those candidates
that picked up petitions and had
signatures before the change which it
was effective on the 9th I think I said
that but um if the petition said that
they were signing for an August 6th
election they're letting us go ahead and
take those petitions because it was
changed after that was signed by
legislator after and then um as of the
9th every petition needs to state that
the election is July 30th and they'll
all be accepted um we have three four
year seats um and one twoyear seat on
this election um council member Craig
bomb council member snitzer council
member Smith their their seats are up so
those will be for fouryear seats and
then Jeff Phillips who was recently
appointed it was finishing out a term
when council member Brimhall left and
that will be a two there will be two
years left on that term after this
election so we'll have four seats in the
primary election um if all four seats
get
um uh majority votes then we won't have
to take it to the general but the we're
going to go ahead and just add the
general and the and the primary
elections together into this call of
election is there any questions on that
any questions for
Christie thank you for explaining all
that that was a little bit confusing
when the state did that to us I think
yes yeah so do I have a motion vice
mayor I move to approve resolution
number
24-17 authorizing the call of election
for the town's
2024 primary election to be held on July
30th 20 24 and the general election if
needed being held on November 5th
2024 I'll second that thank you we have
a motion a second is there any further
discussion all in favor please signify
by raising your right
hand councelor Craig
bomb I thank you that carries
unanimously um there being no further
business um I will adjourn our regular
council meeting thank
you can you give me one second mayor I
went to switch my recorders okay thank
you I need to get to my agenda too
so okay whenever you're ready okay hang
on a minute I need to get to my okay we
don't have to figure all this out
anymore
okay I will call the board of adjustment
meeting to order this evening um we do
have a quorum again counselor board
member um cck bomb is on the phone with
us
today um this is a business meeting of
the board of
adjustment the board welcomes values and
welcomes public input pleas please
address us as a whole and not individual
board members do not address staff or
members of the audience action on
Council excuse me board action on items
brought up in call to the public is
limited by the open meeting law the
board may direct staff to study the
matter and reschedule for further
consideration later date items on the
agenda will not be heard or discussed
and call to the public and individuals
are limited to three minutes of the
board of adjustments special meeting
held on November 2nd
202 thank you we have a motion of second
further discussion all in favor please
raise your right hand announced by the
mayor and explained by staff any citizen
who additional use permit
Cup this item is the second time you've
seen this item it was previously for
your consideration in November Alpha
this location is a neutral
site
106.2 and it's Light commercial zoning
District the applicant
must 17106
020b the commission unanimously voted
to deny the issuance of a cup the board
of adjustment convened November 2nd 2023
consider an appeal to the denial of cup
133 the applicant requested a 90-day
extension to allow for the the
exploration of an alternative location
for the applicant uh failed to appeal
within a lot of
time a tower with a maximum height of 75
ft or the height of the tree line ft but
in no case greater than 95 ft per
171
is permitted under the existing zoning
with a conditional use permit however
the
height 1T with 5ot lightning rod hence
the requested tower height of 180 ft
Maxum the applicant proposes four Tech
lights on the
on for
17163 0 D the lighting is only
permissible for by the FAA FCC or
another governmental agency all lighting
must be in conformance with
17 vertical Bridge proposes to remove an
existing 8ft fence around the Western
perimeter of parcel fences over 6 ft are
only permitted as a conditional use
permit condition per 17108
06082 the board of adjustment could
require an 8ft tall fence as a condition
of approval is recommended that an 8ft
CMU block wall be utilized for screening
the Landscaping plan has yet to be
submitted as part of the application for
17106 030 F4F Landscaping shall mitigate
the visual impact of a wireless
communication facility and ancillary
structures Evergreen plant material of a
minimum height of 5 ft shall be planted
adjacent to the exteria of any wall or a
fence at least every 10 ft from Center
to Center the community development
director or the Planning and Zoning
commission or in this case the board of
adjustment May W or reduce these
Landscaping requirements if it is deemed
unnecessary or impracticable to provide
necessary screen for 17106 030 f4c
simulated branches must taper toward the
top of the tower to give the appearance
of a natural conically shaped evergreen
tree the submitted Tower elevation does
not demonstrate conformance to this
requirement as it does not taper to give
the appearance of a natural conically
shaped evergreen tree but instead is a
cylindrical shape some other things to
consider um include General requirements
outlined in 17106 030 F which requires
wireless communication facilities to be
cited and constructed preserve the
pre-existing character surrounding
buildings of vegetation while this site
is neutral is immediately adjacent to
the RV part most jurisdictions require a
minimum of one to one setback in the
event of catastrophic failure of a tower
until recently we only required a fall
zone letter the fall zone letter stated
multiple times that it cannot guarantee
the tower would fall within the 20ft
fall zone radius which states which
statements such as it will like
do and so uh and a best attempt to meet
the requirements given that current
codes do not address failure mechanics
is impossible to predict the behavior of
a failing structure the fall zone
require the applicant to submit
additional information to provide
further justification if they believe it
is necessary or appropriate any existing
Tower could accommodate the tower um
excuse me an existing Tower could
accommodate the tower within 6 t0 of a
mile if the proposal progresses with
approval there will be likely there is a
likelihood that there could be three
towers within this area including the
existing and the proposed from Tower
from Pine Top fire P 17
10608 D coordination with federal law a
conditional use permit may be granted
despite non-compliance with the
provisions of this section whenever
denial of a conditional use permit would
unreasonably discriminate among
providers of a functionally equivalent
personal wireless service or prohibit or
have the effect of prohibiting provision
of personal Wireless services within the
meaning of 47 United States code section
332
c7b I in evaluating an application for a
conditional use permit no consideration
shall be given to the environmental
effects of radio frequency emissions to
the extent that such emissions follow
the regulations of the Federal
Communications commissions as provided
in 47 United States code section 332 C7
B4 for an annalysis have provided for
the board of adjustment the following
the applicant vertical Bridge request to
have a conditional use permit issued for
a cell tower on August 24th 2023 the
Planning and Zoning commission
unanimously six to nothing denied the
issuance of the conditional use permit
the reasons for the denial are as
follows the applicant failed to provide
engineering report sealed by a licensed
structural engineer for
17167 1cd the applicant failed to show
all preferred sites where the tower
could be cited P 17106
7b1 the applicant failed to provide
written explanation of why they did not
select a preferred site including their
best efforts made to secure each of the
preferred sites why such efforts were
unsuccessful and why each of the
preferred sites is not technically or
legally feasible for 17106 70b do3 the
applicant proposed Tech lights on the
tower for installing new apperances
however no artificial lighting of
wireless communication facilities is
permitted unless such artificial
lighting is required by the FAA or the
FCC or another state or federal agency
of competent jurisdiction or NE or
necessary for security such lighting
shall comply with the lighting
regulations found in section 17141 100
the applicant failed to locate the
wireless communication facility away
from residential neighborhoods whenever
feasible per 17106 do10
B while the applicant proposes to
camouflage the site the camouflage must
taper toward the top and the tower shall
be painted to emulate a natural tree
trunk per
17163 F4 CND D and finally uh under the
effective or orance
24468 the tower would require 225 ft
setback per
17164 two for my recommendations I
provide the following staff recommends
denying the cup for the following
reasons proposed Tower's height is 180
ft a maximum height of 75 ft is
allowable and in no case greater than 95
ft in the site designated as
neutral applicant must submit evidence
of meeting the requirements established
was within 17106 70 B3 regarding contact
with all other Tower providers and
Property Owners within preferred sites
the applicant failed to submit a fall
zone letter that exemplifies confidence
that the tower would not harm residents
in the RV Park in the event of a
catastrophic failure the applicant
failed to locate the side away from the
residential neighborhood for 17106 10B
the applicant should have considered the
requirements outlined in 17106 30f
requiring Wireless communication
facilities to be cited and constructed
to preserve the pre-existing character
of the surrounding buildings and
vegetation while this is a neutral uh
site it is immediately adjacent to an RV
park a landscaping plan conforming with
17130 F4 still needs to be submitted
Tech lighting does not me meet the
requirements established within 17141
100 and 17106 030 D the effective
setbacks cannot be met at the site per
17106
42 if the board of adjustment chooses to
uphold denial the motion must contain
the reasons for the denial which shall
be supported by substantial evidence in
the written
record that's all for for now for my
staff report thank you Jeremiah
put need a towel or
something need to drink water yeah
anyway okay thank you Jeremiah are there
any questions currently for
Jeremiah um councilor Craig bomb do you
have any
questions no May when thank you
um I would like to hear from the
applicant at this time if you'd come up
and and remind us your name and
everything
please thank you for having us here
today myself Shannon McCrae State 48
development Consulting on behalf of
vertical bridge and Stephen Kennedy the
RF engineer will be presenting um on
behalf of vertical bridge for this
Wireless
facility um so
whenever there thank you um so today
we're we going to be going over the new
proposed Wireless facility on behalf of
vertical Bridge the site name is usaz
5121 this is cup
133 so the proposed Wireless facility
will be located on parcel
41143
008a um and as mentioned by staff it's
on a parcel Zone
C1 it will be designed as a monopine to
blend in with the surrounding pine trees
in the area and will be located within a
43x 37 ft enclosure surrounded by an 8T
High chain link fence compound the
overall height of the tower will be 180
ft which will allow for collocation and
may include multiple antennas as shown
on a later slide with the elevations and
we did design the Tower with a 20ft fall
radius to contain debris on
site so here is just a an aerial view of
the overall site plan as you can see
that square that's on the screen there
that just shows where the tower is in
proximity to the parcel
lines here is an enlarged site plan this
shows the 10x15 concrete pad for
Associated ground equipment the 4x9
concrete pad for the Emergency backup
generator and um it we would like to
note for the record that emergency
backup generators will cycle once per
week for a total of 15 minutes and omit
a noise of around 70 to 90 DB which is
about the equivalent of a car are
passing
by so on the screen here you can see the
elevations of the tower um the initial
anchor tenant would be installed at that
top there you can see that um and that
is just the rad is basically the center
of antennas where it will be installed
on the tower let me go ahead and pull
those up here so T-Mobile is the initial
inchor tenant uh they will be installed
at a rout of 171 ft the second Co cator
would be installed at a rout of 159 ft
and the third collator would be
installed at a rout of 147
ft there's additional views of the
elevation of the
Tower so stealth designs um per the Pine
Top code it encourages stealth designs
to blend in with the surrounding area um
as such vertical Bridge decided that a
monopine would best suit this area a
monopine is is a tower that's designed
to look like a pine tree um this photo
on the right is not a photo from this
specific area but from a different Tower
as you can see in the back um the
monopine kind of Blends in with the
surrounding pine trees
um uh so the fall zone uh the Pinetop
Lakeside town code under chap chapter
17106 stated that the applicant must
provide a certified letter from a
structural engineer showing that the
structural fa failure characteristics of
the wireless communication facility and
demonstration that site and setbacks are
adequate to contain debris on site um at
the time of submitt this was the code it
is vertical Bridges position that as
such since it was submitted under this
code and because the application was
active that the old code applies to our
site um we did provide a 20 foot fall
zone letter to the jurisdiction um and
on the next SL this is just a photo of
that fall
letter so to review preferred sites
neutral sites and disfavored sites I
won't go through all of the details but
preferred sites would include the fire
station uh across the street and then
neutral sites is any site Zone C1 PUD or
r
l disfavored sites would be residential
neighborhoods so
I'll go ahead and Skip just to this one
but as you can see on the zoning map
here the star the green star on the
slide indicates where our proposed site
is located it's located on a parcel Zone
C1 which is listed as a neutral site um
our low is also listed as a neutral site
per the code and that RV park is just
North of our site there located on R so
it's that's just an aerial view
there
back um okay so I will go ahead and let
the RF engineer who is here speak to the
significant Gap in service um but the
site is uh the only preferred option
would be the fire station that was
approximately 500 ft away I know we had
at our last hearing requested an
extension to look into the fire
department but ultimately um it did not
work for T-Mobile which is is why we're
back here
today
and then this is just an aerial view of
the proposed
site uh the 5year facilities plan it was
stated that that was not included with
our application and we just would like
to state that we did include that um
which had a site inventory and the
technologies that would be included on
the tower um and then we did have a note
that stated that there were no existing
Tower T-Mobile Towers or vertical Bridge
Wireless facilities within the
jurisdiction that that's just a photo of
the 5year facilities
plan and then the Pinetop Lakeside code
does encourage collocation we did
explore the option of collocating on
nearby structures um and he'll go ahead
and deep dive into that a little further
but we did determine that this area had
the highest need for improved coverage
in the area and the additional height of
the tower beyond the prescribed limit in
the code was necessary to achieve the
coverage objective that the initial
inchor tenant was looking to achieve um
I'll go ahead and hand the presentation
over to our RF engineer stepen Kennedy
to go over those coverage maps and then
if you have any questions feel free to
let us thank
you uh Stephen Kennedy I'm the owner of
B wab coast Consultants out of Arizona
I've got 34 years design experience in
the Wireless Communications industry um
can you bring up the RF
justification
deck that's the alternate side analysis
try the other
deck
okay thank you
ma'am okay once again um talking about
the RF design analysis for the T-Mobile
site for vertical Bridge so I'm an
independent Consulting RF engineer I do
not work for T-Mobile I represent
vertical bridge and consult with the
T-Mobile
Engineers okay so two reasons why
carriers design sites as your Sheriff
stood up in front of you a little while
ago and said that their four sites need
to be about 20 it's infrastructure but
the need is there so just like the
sheriff's department wants to expand the
radio network for First Responders the
carriers want to expand their networks
to provide service for their customers
two types of things that create a need
for a site one is coverage and that is
the ability for a transceiver on a sell
site to talk to the transceiver in the
phone and have a connection and be able
to follow through that connection
without a drop call or without a loss of
signal that's coverage capacity is the
ability to process the traffic for the
wireless phones now when I started this
business 34 years ago all you could do
on a phone was talk now we do a lot more
with them we stream videos we do web
searches there's apps like crazy on
these things that cost capacity that
cost throughput capacity and throughput
or capacity can be explained um use an
analogy of a water hose so if you have a
water hose in your front yard you're out
work in front yard one day you're the
only person drinking from the water hose
you're getting 100% of the capacity all
the bandwidth is available to you if
your neighbor walks up and says hey I
want to grab water off the water hose
too now the capacity is
50% you add two more neighbors drops to
25% four more neighbors it drops to 12
half% down down down so the more users
the less water or capacity per user
there is these sites can work three to
400 users at a time because these phones
while you may not be active on the phone
it's active talking to servers and
networks because of all the apps you're
running on your phone so that's the
capacity the
impact all right so the objective new
site is provide bandwidth for customers
in the area provide coverage for
T-Mobile users in this area because
there's no T-Mobile coverage at this
time so this site would provide coverage
along 260 in the feder roads in the area
where we have a significant Gap in
service or no service 96% of Americans
own a cell phone 57% of American homes
rely exclusively on cell phones and 84%
or more of 911 emergency calls are made
from cell
phones uh site 175t monopine with 5ft
apperances all that's all the technical
data latitude longitude ground elevation
and the antenna center line for
T-Mobile's
171 why here lack of coverage in Pine
Top lack of services in surrounding R
suburban and rural areas there's a
significant Gap in service IE T-Mobile
has no service in the area uh there's a
been a significant amount of increased
Network use for all the networks across
rural Arizona just because of Co and a
lot of people working from home and
that's really put Demand on a lot of
these networks and as you guys probably
are proving new homes being built and
all sorts of fun stuff it's it's
expanding in the rural areas here's
Zumer proposed
site uh there's the nearest neighbor
T-Mobile sites they're 53.5 miles away
and 63.7 miles away so uh T-Mobile's
working to expand that but this is one
of the the key sites for that this is
T-Mobile cell mapper this is coverage
that's provided by drive test units or
uh vans that drive around and they take
readings across the United States and
they they have a bunch of antennas on
the top of Van bunch of phones and
they'll go take readings and report this
back to servers this is showing that
there is nothing for T-Mobile in the
area basically not even enough to to
cause a receiver to go into full
quieting this is open signal this is uh
um so if you ever load an app on your
phone like Facebook or something you're
giving all these permissions for
Facebook to load this stuff on your
phone you're going to load a thin client
and that's open signals Thin Client what
that Thin Client does is it sends to
open signal servers hey the telephone
connected to the network that did some
business and the coverage was good or
the coverage was bad and we can see from
this that it's significantly
Laing this is uh
reference signal receive power this is a
way that we show coverage in a digital
Network or a Broadband Network so green
means to a 95% probability that there's
going to be service inside a building so
you've got all the walls you've got all
the things that that can pass through uh
and and slow down the the signal and not
allowed entry so green when it runs a
propagation modeling it's showing that
you you're going to have to a 95%
probability coverage indoors if you see
yellow that's in vehicle and if you see
red that's open field you're out the
golf course you're out in your front
porch you're you're you're not not
inside or not in a vehicle this is for
low band and to make note 85% of
T-Mobile Spectrum as allocated by the
Federal Communications Commission is
midband so this is low band uh so there
it it provides a greater service the the
RF the radio energy propagates
farther we go to the midband we see A
Change midband Is significantly smaller
so 85% of the spectrum this is what the
coverage it's going to provide where 15%
of the
spectrum I put a blue circle in to give
kind of a reference of what the low band
versus the midband is doing okay that's
the last of that one the next thing that
I was requested to do was an alternate
side
analysis
that's
it okay so uh I was requested to review
other sites within the area at the
heights that were available on those
sites uh compared to the proposed by
T-Mobile vertical Bridge so the local
Juris required this two towers exist
within 1.25 miles the proposed primary
coverage objective is Highway 260
towards pentop Lakeside and south and
east of the proposed towards the country
club the following propagation is for
low band as well as midband just like we
did before so here's the area so there's
the distance from the proposed to the
other SES one other site's 8 Miles Away
the other one is 1.23 miles
away so alternate site one owned by
White Mountain Communications 50ft self
support Tower highest height available
was 110 ft so it's not you're not be
able to put the antennas at the top
Tower because somebody's already there
ground elevation
6,961 ft alternate site to owned by
navapache Electric Company 196t self
support Tower highest height available
is 130 ft that's at 7178
amsl uh the jurisdiction also requests
the proposed intentas be lower to 71 fet
above ground ground level and compare to
the
proposed so this is the first low this
is low band so if we look at the blue
circle this is what the proposed site's
going to be able to provide within 171
ft in tenis Center Line for low
band this is 10t on the site to the West
so we can see a slight difference in
what's what's being covered on the
frequencies and then we get alternate
two that's low band on for that site so
we can see that it's going to be you
know coverage in the Southeast but not
coverage towards the center or the West
within the when the primary coverage
objective all right uh then we looked at
proposed 71 ft so we lowered the antenna
height from 171 down to 71 and that
shows the difference in propagation
analysis if you remember on the 171
significantly more green and yellow
within the blue circle so a significant
drop in what the site would do at 71
ft this is midband so 171 we saw that
it's it's midband it's not going to
propagate into the buildings quite as
well uh just because the wavelength
that's working out here's the RC RP
coverage for the 110t
alternate there's the RC RP coverage for
the alternate number
two and there's the rsrp coverage for 71
ft so alternate sites do not provide the
same level of service as the proposed
Heights available in the alternates are
not as high as the proposed uh
alternates impact the coverage of low
Band frequencies and significantly
impact coverage of high band or midband
frequencies and you get into 3,800 to
4200 megahertz and it it really makes an
impact and then the reduction in height
to 71 significantly reduces what the
site can do so recommended uh please
approve the proposed site at the hype in
order for team
M area I stand for questions thank you
Steve any
questions councelor snitzer uh yeah the
backend um I don't begin to understand
all the technical stuff but back in uh
in
October uh I made a request and they
said they would comply and it's not here
U my request was uh everything that was
presented showed
what happens if you have one Tower and
my request was that if we have the
existing towers and we use both of those
towers and mount uh their equipment on
both of those Towers what would the
coverage look like then uh the coverage
would be a probably 80% of what the
proposed site would do the 80% of what
the one single tall tower yes sir okay
so they could basically get it at least
80% there uh if they added a third short
Tower if they built the Tower in the
middle uh and it was a short Tower which
is whatever is permitted I forget 79 80
whatever it is feet but if you had those
three towers what would the coverage
look like any idea coverage would be
comparable but once again team Hubble's
trying to do it with one one asset
versus three asset well it's yeah it's much uh from a financial standpoint
I understand it's easier to have a few
big tower yes sir but it sounds to me
like they could get where they want to
get if they built a small Tower and then
rented space on the other two towers is
that right yes sir okay thank you yes
sir any other questions any other
questions for
Steve thank you for your presentation um
I would like to invite Jeremiah to come
back up please go over what you've got
for
us so we had a third party RF engineer
um basically run the numbers on the same
site and interestingly enough the um RF
engineer that we selected to do this was
a had worked for T-Mobile for 20 plus
years uh and I don't proport to
understand all of this information
that's in here either uh councelor
snitzer but I'll do my best to convey it
to the uh members of the board um so
they basically ran the same numbers and
some of the comments that they made were
the values provided by the applicant
were listed as rsrp th though the
provided values were much higher
strength than the applicant's typical
design
thresholds um and they go and they they
as the maps that you sh that the the
applicant showed they have some similar
but they're slightly different and
hopefully the board had time to review
those they're also available in the
packet for anybody interested at home or
in the audience you can view them
digitally um but some of the through the
general discussion and the concerns that
they had they said that the proposed
location provides indoor coverage of the
areas in Pinetop along Highway 260 from
Sweetwater Ranch to the west to just
past Buck Springs road entrance into the
White Mountain summer homes and pine
toop Lakes Country Club Pine toop Lakes
has some indoor service but mostly in
vehicle coverage along Buck Springs to
Branding Iron Loop White Mountain
Country Club is Not serviced well
coverage is mostly local to the
businesses along the Highway 260 the
majority of which are to the west of the
proposed Tower location tower Tower the
wiscom tower area that's actually been
purchased by Tower co uh the
improvements in coverage to the east and
south over the wiscom tower results from
increased ground elevation of 7170 at
the proposed location vers 6960 at the
wiscom tower plus the increased rad
Center of 171 versus
117 available at wisecom a total of 165
ft increase in antenna height however
the wise the wisecom tower as shown
later provides better Target coverage
around the business areas of pint
toop uh some of the concerns the rsrp
design points are little on the high
side the 85 uh dbel mowatt rsrp for
indoor service is more typical of
commercial areas rather than rural areas
in pintop residential indoor services
for five megahertz carriers at 700 MHz
is more along the lines of um 100 to 105
D mows with many models showing to dbm
and the link budget the covered areas
have good population densities however
the areas include very highly attended
areas during the summer activities uh in
this area and they're speaking
specifically of the wiscom tower one
sector of the proposed site will cover
the general Pinetop area including
businesses and residential areas one
sector of the proposed site covers the
Pinetop lakes and Pinetop Country Club
areas one sector of the proposed site
covers the residential areas of Woodland
Hills and White Mountain Country Club
the same services areas are provided by
multiple sites by all the cellular
providers in the area and such as
Verizon at and cellular 1 use the other
three sites they're functionable a
single Tower location so hopefully that
speaks to your question a little bit um
a single Tower location may not provide
sufficient capacity for the area and
additional Tower locations will
eventually be investigated by the
applicant tier one carriers Verizon AT&T
mobile Point their annual Capital spend
to populated metropolitan areas Ro areas
are typically the last areas to Beed
which typically increases the time
required to fix service problems
congestion issues and lead to block
calls and slow data through put speeds
drop calls due to the areas of impaired
services and and other concerns um then
they go on to show some of the maps run with the numbers that they used and
they're similar but they vary a little
bit they show um the RSI RSSI approach
and um using typical design values
and then uh part of their analysis they
state that the specifications provided
by the applicant included only Spectrum
owners by another entity the SL s
Spectrum through this spectrum may have
been so though the Spectrum may have
been sold or leased to T-Mobile Sal
Spectrum also owns or owned the B Block
meaning the prediction should be run for
10 mahz LTE carrier rather than 5 MHz
bandwidth and that concludes the third
party
analysis thank you Jeremiah does anybody
have any questions for
Jeremiah just more of an observation um
if I'm looking at these Maps right and I
don't I don't report to understand them
but um understanding what was said the
green area is where we're getting our
coverage and this is on the low Band
frequencies and I'm I'm looking at this
and just comparing in my head where my
house is versus where this Tower is
going to go we're talking like a three
mile stretch of highway and a whole
bunch of land where nobody lives and a
huge isore right off the the side of the
highway in the middle of town for and I
don't I don't understand the purpose
there's barely any residential area that
gets good coverage from this
site that was kind of my observation as
well councelor Heiser moving the site
over there gives more elevation but then
a big part of the area have the uh
greatest effect on is basically forest
service and uh not develop land so it's
curious as to exactly why this site was
selected as opposed to somewhere
else thank you for your observations
anybody else just I I I think there
there's an obvious economic benefit to a
single big tower it it's less costly
than multiple Towers plus it gives you
the opportunity down the road to sell
space like what we're talking about
lower down on the same Tower to other
entities so but from the stand point of
providing service as opposed to
maximizing profitability you can provide
roughly equivalent service with multiple
Towers so if we if we um deny this we
might be imposing a financial hurdle but
we're not making it impossible to serve
people in a certain area and um and then
you know so I think um I think the
things that we've asked for generally
speaking but the thing I asked for in
particular um they have not been very
responsive to uh to our request for
information or to the requirements from
our codes um and and I don't think we
are imposing anything more than uh you
know lowered profitability if we say
yeah you've got to have a small Tower in
the middle that meets our requirements
and use the existing Towers I think that would make a feasible solution for
every body just not the highest
profitability thank you go ahead and to
that point part of the point I was
trying to make was it seems as though
they're going to have to have multiple
Towers in the area anyways to meet the
coverage need if the really the end goal
is to provide coverage to the community
because this does not do that right and
that was one of the observations of our
third party RF analysis uh RF engineer
as well that uh this this Tower alone
wouldn't uh
provide coverage for the for the area so
they eventually would seek more
towers do do we have I know the
progression the technology progression
you know 5G and all this has been to uh
more smaller
Towers um does that is that only for
urban areas or something like that
looking I'm asking you to look down to
the future I can't even imagine but the
does the progression of Technology
indicate that these big tall towers
won't be required as much in the future
um I may defer that question to an
actual RF engineer being a civil
engineer but I can tell you what I've
seen um from the standpoint of
engineering from civil engineering in in
um Metropolis or greater Phoenix area I
have uh another civil engineer on my
commission and he's we had the
conversation he said what they're doing
down in the valley for instance is
putting a bunch of towers on a light so
you don't it's why when you go down
there you don't see one every half mile
of these 180t towers number one they
don't have the same elevation obstacles
or trees that we have but they're they
have the ability to put these on lights
anywhere and I think that at one point
in our code the intent was looking
forward that that was the direction that
the industry was going and and correct
me if I'm wrong but it appears that um
our code was looking towards that
direction but um I think that the
service up here um May May preclude that
number one based on we don't have the
light capacity that cities do and we
have all the elevation Deltas but you
can explain more if you'd like so you're
referring to small cells they're
typically sites that are anywhere from
20 feet tall to 32 to 35 ft tall
depending on the depending on the height
of the light pole or the street uh
traffic signal light so we see a lot of
the small cells in areas where there's a
lot of capacity so for example last
year's Super Bowl at State Farm Stadium
um I was hired to design about 50 small
cells covering in and around that
stadium so why so many small cells when
there was already macro coverage that
was because the amount of users within
that area were very tight condensed
packed small areas so you got a site
that covers maybe two blocks so in a
area like a college or downtown Phoenix
or downtown Chandler or larger
metropolitan areas you're going to see
small sales and basically their capacity
fixes so they're all ing mobiles to not
talk to the macro but switch down to the
small cell even though the coverage area
is smaller so it does really good where
there's slow traffic or a lot of walking
colleges a lot of college kids love
these phones so that's where you see
small cells uh in order to have small
cells you have to have existing macro
coverage or large sight coverage to be
able to do that yeah I wasn't exactly
thinking of I was more thinking in a in
a general sense the the years ago um I
was working on a designing an
agricultural tractor and all the gauges
were analog gauges at that time uh but
my program wasn't going to happen for 5
years and we could see that five years
down the road uh digital Technologies
cost you know the cost curve would come
down and uh so so the time that I was
putting this together was prohibitive to
do what I wanted to do but by the time
we got there 5 years later it was
cheaper and better and all that so so
Mike it's sort of a general question do
we see technology changing we're um not
necessarily a little Tower every you
know couple hundred yards but but uh
something like uh you know using Towers
but just not needing not even needing
180 foot Tower so there's two things
that come into play one is the laws of
physics and how radio frequencies
propagate um it's kind of like you guys
at being on the council you're setting
up above everyone else right than
everybody sitting in the chairs behind
me so you have the ability to see
everything better than what we have we
have the ability to see you because
you're elevated higher than what we are
in the crowd same concept for antennas
if you take your pair of eyes and you
say I'm going to turn them into antennas
all right are they going to work better
up here near the top of my head where
God put them or are they going to work
better at my
ankles so the laws of phys physics come
into play with radio frequency
properties but there's you know there's
still it's like that that what used to
be true in radio communications but they
just found a way to to bring a ground up
uh so that the basically the signal the
signal was propagating from a higher
level and covered more distance I it's
just I mean I again I don't begin to
understand the technology but do you see
any uh any shift toward guys being able
to solve the problem of getting cover I
mean whoever does it will make a lot of
money um you get of getting better
coverage without having a tall tower
don't see that once again it comes into
play with laws of physics and terrain
and morphologies and clutter data and
trees and all those wonderful things
that stop RF it's a physics
thing any other
questions okay thank you um this is a
public hearing we do have some
individuals that would like to come
speak to us um if you guys would come up
please Warren
Avery thank you you know I was here in
October when the room was was totally
packed and you voted against it and now
they're back again uh and I can see the
difference it's a great marketing playy
but I have three observations number one
uh I saw a picture of this tower that
looks like a tree and it was great but
did you see any picture of the tower
compared to the pine trees around it I
don't think we have any 180t pine trees
around here so this thing's going to
stick out like a a sore thumb next thing
I saw was a they have a 20ft fall zone
well if you have 180 ft Tower and it
falls over and it falls over white mine
Boulevard what good is a little 20x 20
fall zone going to do and the thing I
never saw they talk about T-Mobile
expanding their their marketing in this
area did anybody see any any input as to
what T-Mobile currently has in the
October fire remember somebody asked who
had T-Mobile nobody raised their hands
so here we're supposed to put a tower in the hopes that T-Mobile is going to
expand their business so I for me I
still don't think it's a great idea
thank you okay thank you Warren um David
adcox mayor Commissioners thanks for
having me come over for a third
time personally I don't think that
uh he's he's going to tell
us his job here today is to get this
Tower uh
approved um I agree with you Mr snitzer
the the technology is going there it's not going to have I mean why why
not a 500t tower you know 180 ft Tower
let's put a 500 foot 1,000 foot uh we
can get coverage all the way down to
Phoenix
um I don't think that the due diligence
has been done by this company they had
90
days couldn't F could not uh respond
back within the 90 days they missed
their
deadline and really in my opinion has
not explored other options we've got uh
Chief Morgan I was talking to him and
he's been talked to there there was an
option of T-Mobile joining with them and
they had a deadline of today to either
agree or
disagree and from what I understand they
either did not uh get back with them at
all or um they they uh turned it down so
it was an option that was right across
the street that was given to them and
they're still turning it down they're keep pounding this one
location and I'm I'm representing the mobile home park and this
Tower the base of this Tower
unfortunately for
me is 38 ft from the corner of my
personal mobile home and like I was can
you put your paper down so we can pick
you up on our thank you okay that red
microphone right in front of you thank
you so it's 38t from the base of of of
where I live and uh i' I've showed you
guys pictures I I put out uh different
presentations with pictures a lot of
different information and for me I'm not
going to be going out and
looking out at a tower I'm going to have
to actually see this Tower I'm going to
actually have to go outside and look
straight up at 180t Tower and and the
fall
zone is just you yeah
it's Jeremiah has talked about uh if and and hope and in perfect world
situations that's just that's just
BS
um I've got uh I'm I'm supposed to be
reading this off I I like somebody else
I I get off um I'll let it go it's down
uh we had over a hundred uh signatures
of of people before that are are against
this um this was back when the mobile
home park was actually open it's it's
normally the majority of my people are
only there for six
months
uh and so the other six months of which
we are in right now they're not here and
not representing uh but we had 100 100
over a hundred uh residents that signed
that uh a lot of this
stuff he's covered we've covered
Jeremiah's covered talking about the
uh applicant doesn't provide the entire
area the proposed
facility uh justification as to why they
don't have a preferred site uh of which
the site on uh 2666 East White Mountain
Boulevard it does not have enough space
to do everything that they want if if it
was the the the land itself with nothing
else on that land it still wouldn't be
enough for the tower they had a nice
little Tower picture up there with the
uh uh the little gazebo in
there I did not see any properties that
were 38 ft from the base of that Tower
in that little picture picture you
had
uh say we've covered a lot of this um
talked about Chief Morgan just talked to
him tonight they never got back with
them on a different
option uh applicants said that they
talked with the fishing game fishing
game had no knowledge whatsoever of them
contacting them at
all doesn't qualify for a neutral site
uh points that have already been made
that I'm just going to touch on they
missed the deadline the new setback is
in effect now even though they they say
that it wasn't in effect at the time it
was uh it was denied at the time and
they were supposed to show why it uh why
it was supposed to be a good
idea uh David can you kind of wrap up a
little bit please okay that's about
that's it's just not enough room in the
tower and it's too close the fall zone
is just it's
not and so I definitely request that you
uh turn it down thank you very much for
your comments um Jackie
Wilson
thank you for hearing me I live at at I
live in the mobile home park I liveed
there year round and we did have a lot
of people here representing us when in
October when it when it first was said
but I do live there year around
and I have sell coverage but I don't
have
T-Mobile but I just don't think that that Tower belongs in our
backyard and I'm like David it's setting
right against the mobile homes that are
on that side of the park and a lot of
our friends are elderly and it's going
to cause them health problems and I just
think that you made the right decision
in October and I hope that you find us
in favor thank you thank you Jackie
appreciate your comments is there any
other member of the public would like to
speak to us tonight as this is a public
hearing okay seeing none we'll go ahead
and close the public hearing and have
open it up for Council discussion if
there is any um councelor cig bomb are
you still with
us I am here okay just want to make sure
if you have any comments let us know
well um I would have a much improved
self coverage at my house if a tower
went in someplace up in this area but
180 ft just seem so high and exposed
right there um at Hill Street and I
appre I appreciate the people who live
in all of those mobile homes um and I
can certainly see their
concerns thank you councelor Heisler um
Jeremiah could you touch briefly on uh
the FCC rules regarding health and
Towers just real quick cuz I I mean want
people understand that we're listening
to what they say but we're also
precluded from right and I mentioned
that uh in my staff report that
basically U you can't take into
consideration health effects if it uh um
Falls within the guidelines provided by
the federal government um so basically
that rules out that component as part of
um the decision making process thank you make a
motion board member oh councelor
Phillips board member Phillips I guess I
appreciate the fact that they uh
provided the maps and all that and I I
reviewed all that stuff and uh but me
I'm a visual guy I actually took a drive
out there this last week myself in my
truck and where the proposed Tower uh
would
be I understand where you're saying 38
ft is right on top of the the real close
to those mobile homes and uh the 20ft
Falls them seems to be a
little
underestimated and I would agree with
that statement and that's why we brought
forward after I after this came to my
attention um having worked at a
municipality that had at least a one: U recommendation that was what the
commission um brought forward I
initially proposed a 2:1 uh ratio the
commission went with a 1 to one and then
ultimately the council decided that uh a
1 and a quarter would be more signific
or more uh substantial be able to cover
things like maintenance and uh safety
for uh residents around the area and uh
did have this conversation with the town
attorney and he's of the opinion that
this is an effective ordinance and it
was effective as of uh February 5th
which was three days after they were
supposed to be here for their 90-day
appeal that was granted uh from the
board in
November thank you any other comments I
guess I would ahead I'm a kind of a
practical guy and we have a reason for
the height that we have in our
ordinances and this is way above that um
I I understand why because the higher
you get the farther you can transmit you
know it's but you know technology is
line of sight so I understand that uh um
but from a really practical standpoint
how can you expect a tower to fall
that's 180 ft tall if it's strong enough
to stand up it's probably strong enough
to fall that
way it's 180 ft you know fall radius to
me right I I don't I don't see how they
could do it in 20 ft unless it's a
collapsible thing so they they in a
nutshell they design a weak spot into
the tower so the top 20 ft there's a
they do a finite element analysis and
they design it so there's essentially a
weak spot there and in a perfect world
the top would just fall off but we don't
live in a perfect world there's
potential and even as identified in
their own fall zone letter for it to
fall outside exactly that that's my
point you
know theoretically it might but probably
won't fall within that 20 foot if there
was a catastrophic failure it would fall
the entire Tower would fall uh and
probably roll even further than 180 ft
yeah and I used to live in the little in
that park by the
way in the
summertime yes go ahead councelor for me the main point just as as it has
been since October is uh the and and you
know and i' asked for him to bring this
out they brought it out but only when I
ask again they didn't volunteer the
information and that is that they can
provide uh
essentially 100% of the same coverage by
using two of the existing towers and
renting space on them and building a
conforming Tower at this location so so
I don't see a need other than a
financial need but there's no physical
need the technolog is in place and uh
you know a short Tower here and the
other two towers would meet the needs so
um you know for you know in addition to
these other reasons I would say that
because there's another way to meet the
need thank you anything else um as did
board member Phillips I have taken a
tour of that um mobile home park and I
know exactly where that Tower would be
in relation to these folks homes and I
just think that's way too close I mean
we we thought about this when we
implemented the
1.25 fall zone 1.25 to one so I think we
are we are well aware of that and um
also I want to address the 5G topic that
came up on the shorter Towers I believe
when we put that in our code it was an
FCC regulation that we address that
somehow in our code and so we were
proactive in doing that even though that
technology I don't believe is up here
yet so that's why you know just for the
Public's knowledge that's why that is in
our code so I I too do not believe this
is a great place for this proposed tower
now the the technology I mean it's uh
you know we went went away from from
microwave as an example we went away
from microwaves old technology were
going to go to a new technology and then
people figured a way to what they call
multiplexing microwav so you have you
know instead of it being able to carry
one communication it can carry multiple
Communications and all of a sudden
microwaves have come back into the mix
especially because there are places that
suffer from low low uh internet service
through the normal me so that like the
hospital has a microwave link now in
case everything goes wrong they still
have a way to get in and out um so you
know the Technologies keep
changing thank you is there any further
discussion if not I'm ready for a motion
go right ahead I move to uphold the
denial of the conditional use permit cup
133 for the construction of vertical
Bridge cell tower on APN
41143
008a for the following reasons the
proposed Tower's height is 180 ft a
maximum height of 75 ft is allowable in
no case greater than 95 ft and site
design is neutral per 17106
5082 the applicant must submit evidence
of meeting the requirements established
within 17106 070 B3 regarding contact
with all other Tower providers Property
Owners within the preferred sites the
applicant failed to submit a fall zone
letter that exemplifies confidence that
the tower would not harm residents at
the RV Park in the event of catastrophic
failure the applicant failed to locate
the site away from residential
neighborhoods per 17106
010b the applicant should have
considered the requirements outlined in
17106 030 F requiring wireless
communication facilities to be site
cited and constructed to preserve the
pre-existing character of the
surrounding buildings and vegetation
while the site is neutral it is
immediately adjacent to an RV park the
request is deficient as a land scaping
plan in conformance with
17130
F4F was not submitted Tech lighting does
not meet the requirements established
within
1704100 and 17106 030 D the proposed
site does not meet the effective
setbacks for wireless communication
facilities established within 17106
0402 thank you I'll second that thank
you we have a motion of second is there
any further discussion all those in
favor please signify raising your right
hand thank you councelor
cbom I thank you um the motion passes
unanimously to uphold the denial of the
cup um there being no further business
before the board tonight this meeting is
adjourned thank
you