[0:00] stand in for the
[0:03] invocation I to of the United States of
[0:08] America and to the for stands one nation
[0:14] God indivisible liy and justice for
[0:20] all our heavenly father we are very
[0:23] grateful to be able to be here this
[0:25] evening and to meet with the Town
[0:27] Council we pray for thy Spirit to bless us and guide us as we discuss uh
[0:33] various matters before us we're also
[0:35] thankful to be able to recognize uh
[0:38] recipients of awards throughout our
[0:40] community we're thankful for our
[0:41] emergency responders for all that they
[0:43] do to protect us and to serve the needs
[0:46] of our community we appreciate their
[0:48] sacrifice and pray for a blessing of
[0:51] peace and protection upon them and upon
[0:53] their families we're thankful for the
[0:55] moisture that we have received and we
[0:57] pray that thou continue to bless our
[0:59] region with with the snow that we need
[1:01] to help to protect our forests and our
[1:03] lakes and our rivers and streams and we
[1:06] acknowledge thy hand in all things and
[1:08] say this in the name of Jesus Christ
[1:10] amen thank you Keith Item B on our
[1:18] agenda tonight is call to the public
[1:20] this is a business meeting of the Town
[1:22] Council the town values and welcomes
[1:23] public input please address the council
[1:26] as a whole and not individual council
[1:27] members do not address staff or members
[1:29] of the audience Council action on items
[1:32] brought up and call to the public is
[1:34] limited by the open meeting law Council
[1:36] may direct staff to study the matter and
[1:38] reschedule for further consideration at
[1:40] a later date items on the agenda are not
[1:42] heard and individuals are limited to 3
[1:44] minutes I don't have any requests so if
[1:47] this is the time if you would like to
[1:48] speak tonight okay we'll move on then to
[1:52] item C which is our consent agenda all
[1:55] items listed are considered routine
[1:57] matters and will be enacted by one
[1:59] motion the Council there will be no
[2:01] separate discussion unless a member of
[2:03] council requests that an item or items
[2:05] be removed council members may ask
[2:07] questions without removal of the item
[2:10] from the consent agenda and items are
[2:12] considered in their normal sequence as
[2:14] listed unless called out of order are
[2:15] there any questions from the council
[2:18] councelor Craig bomb any questions for
[2:21] you no I'm fine thank you okay councelor
[2:24] smiter um I ask to be excused to abstain
[2:28] myself because one of the items on the
[2:30] consent agenda is something I'm involved
[2:32] with so I'll
[2:33] abstain okay should we just pull that
[2:35] one item just for that one item okay
[2:39] chrisy we need a motion for that correct
[2:41] okay do I have a motion to remove item
[2:44] C2 from the consent agenda please vice
[2:47] mayor uh I move to remove item C2 from
[2:51] uh the consent agenda at this time I
[2:53] second that thank you all in favor
[2:55] please signify by raising your right
[2:58] hand councelor cbom
[3:01] I thank you then um I will entertain a
[3:03] motion for item
[3:05] C1 vice mayor I move to approve uh C1
[3:10] the the minutes of the Town council
[3:11] meeting held on February 1st 2024 I
[3:14] second that thank you all those in favor
[3:16] please signify by raising your right
[3:18] hand councelor cig bomb I thank you
[3:22] we'll go back then to item C2 which is a
[3:25] special event liquor license for the
[3:26] balloon
[3:27] festival vice mayor I move to uh approve
[3:31] C2 the approval of a special event
[3:33] liquor license for the balloon festival
[3:35] at Mountain meow park for June 21st and
[3:37] 22nd 2024 I second that thank you we
[3:41] have a motion to Second all in favor
[3:43] please signify by raising your right
[3:45] hand thank you councelor CRI bomb I
[3:50] thank you we'll note that um councelor
[3:51] snitzer abstained from that vote moving
[3:54] on then to item D which is business
[3:57] before our Council public comment will
[4:00] be taken at the beginning of each agenda
[4:01] item after the subject has been
[4:03] announced by the mayor and explained by
[4:05] staff any citizen who wishes may speak
[4:07] one time for five minutes on each agenda
[4:09] item before or after Council discussion
[4:12] questions from Council Members however
[4:13] may be directed to staff or a member of
[4:15] the public through the mayor at any time
[4:18] item D1 is a presentation of awards for
[4:21] the voice of democracy audio
[4:24] essays Christie is this you no it's
[4:27] that's what I thought George come on up
[4:31] make sure you stay close to the little
[4:33] red lights so everybody can hear you
[4:34] very good uh mayor council um on behalf
[4:38] of BFW post 2364 I want to thank you
[4:42] again for having us here every year
[4:44] doing this um it's it's a good thing for
[4:47] the I think for some of the kids and of
[4:50] course law enforcement enironment EMTs
[4:53] they don't get enough credit and you
[4:55] know they can't take this one to the
[4:57] bank but it might lighten their heart a
[5:00] little bit I don't know uh at the first
[5:02] meeting this month John Bey gave out uh
[5:05] one of the voice of democracy Awards and
[5:08] the other two uh winners we had I
[5:11] believe were over at the high school
[5:13] participating in a stage play so we'd
[5:16] like to catch up on that tonight
[5:17] starting out with the voice of democracy
[5:20] Awards and I know that John explained it
[5:22] all to you last meeting so off for go
[5:25] that tonight so we'll start off with our
[5:27] third place award voice of De Ry and
[5:30] that is Brook
[5:33] horn I don't see them tonight both and
[5:37] Grace were going to come tonight I don't
[5:39] know if something happened unless
[5:40] they're out in the hallway I don't see
[5:42] them yeah I don't either okay we'll just
[5:45] move them along then the other one's not
[5:46] here either no neither one of those
[5:48] could announce it go ahead and announce
[5:50] their names though anyhow uh anyhow go
[5:53] back uh Brooke would have gotten a check
[5:55] for
[5:56] $50 and then Grace Smithson
[6:00] uh who was second place would have got a
[6:02] check for
[6:03] $75 and at the last uh council meeting
[6:06] Jackson Woods who our first place got a
[6:10] $100 and then with the district uh he
[6:13] took third place so he would have got
[6:14] another $75 there so we got that well
[6:17] congratulations to all of those students
[6:19] they did a good job they really do they
[6:21] do um then we'll go ahead to your next
[6:23] item D2 which is presentation of Public
[6:26] Service Awards from efw post 23 la
[6:29] firefighter and EMT emergency medical
[6:33] technician um we'll start off with uh
[6:37] the co a code enforcement it's a Police
[6:39] Service Officer Chelsea H for the town
[6:43] of Pinetop
[6:47] [Applause]
[6:58] Lakeside
[7:04] next we have our deputy sheriff Haley
[7:07] farus from the neevo county sheriff's
[7:09] [Applause]
[7:18] office
[7:25] no
[7:28] thanks and the next award I think I said
[7:31] the same thing last year is kind of
[7:33] close to my heart as both my wife and I
[7:35] were Detention officers down in Puma
[7:38] County for uh Clarence stupnick back in
[7:41] that's a long time ago if you guys knew
[7:43] what but anyhow we have Deputy A
[7:44] detention deputy sheriff Brian
[7:48] mcelrath in the Navajo County
[7:50] [Applause]
[7:58] shff
[8:00] fire fire Lewis marabelli from Pinetop
[8:04] fire
[8:16] district and last we have paramedic paramedic Zack
[8:21] vanik I said that
[8:24] [Applause]
[8:28] right
[8:30] again mayor council thank you for having
[8:35] us okay yeah sh and Dan if we could get
[8:40] Dan up here and
[8:42] Jim and Dave is Dave here he's spting
[8:46] around oh there he is Sheriff clouse we
[8:51] can get them all up here and get a
[8:53] [Music]
[8:58] picture okay you guys got to get way
[9:00] closer
[9:09] together
[9:14] two thanks
[9:17] [Applause]
[9:26] again thank you for being here George
[9:28] and congratulations to all of you we do
[9:30] appreciate all of your service thank
[9:38] you okay we'll move on then to item D4
[9:41] which is excuse me item
[9:44] D3 presentation from Navajo County
[9:47] Sheriff's Office including a recap of
[9:49] 2023 and plans for
[9:51] 2024 sheriff klous and Lieutenant
[9:58] Williams
[10:02] well good
[10:03] evening nice to see you yeah thank you
[10:06] for having us mayor and City uh members
[10:08] of the council it's good to be here and
[10:10] thank you to the BFW and for the town of
[10:13] Pinetop Lakeside for always doing this
[10:14] annually and recognizing uh the men and
[10:17] women that serve as First Responders
[10:19] throughout the community as we were
[10:21] coming here tonight I was thinking about
[10:22] all the different deputies and police
[10:24] officers and firefighters we've honored
[10:26] over the years coming here and it's
[10:27] remarkable there truly is
[10:29] a huge amount of of true heroes that serve us each and every day and uh
[10:37] couldn't be happier to be here and to
[10:38] celebrate them today so two or three
[10:41] years ago we started uh as the Sheriff's
[10:43] Office coming to City Council meetings
[10:45] to give a brief presentation of an
[10:47] update of kind of some of the um joint
[10:50] operations or um task forces that we
[10:54] work together with the cities we know
[10:56] that Public Safety is one of the more
[10:58] expensive expensive items on each of
[11:00] your budgets it's one of your more uh
[11:02] critical items that I know the public SP
[11:05] special attention to to include roads as
[11:08] one of them as well but Public Safety is
[11:10] something that's always on the Forefront
[11:11] of each of our minds and it it does come
[11:14] at a high cost and we as Public Safety
[11:17] officials and leaders always come to uh
[11:20] Boards of Supervisors City councils
[11:22] asking for more and more and more and
[11:23] sometimes you have to have a little
[11:25] justification as to why we need that
[11:27] expensive equipment or what we're doing
[11:29] and I know that the sheriff's off office
[11:31] operates in and around and throughout
[11:34] each of our communities within this
[11:35] County and so I feel an obligation and a
[11:37] duty to report back to you as well means
[11:40] that we're operating within your city
[11:42] and we're also operating on the
[11:44] especially in Pint toop Lakeside where
[11:46] it's so checkerboard but we're also
[11:48] working with your Police Department each
[11:49] and every day trying to find ways not to
[11:52] duplicate services but to try to uh
[11:54] share resources and I see one of the big
[11:57] successes of that has been the the
[11:59] regional communication that is something
[12:01] that dates back 10 years ago that we
[12:03] tried to get accomplished and you saw
[12:05] sholo really worked there and we're kind
[12:08] of on the northern part but in part of
[12:11] our presentation I wanted to share
[12:13] tonight is how we've made a lot of
[12:15] stride in the last two years um so last
[12:19] year I came here and we talked about our
[12:21] SRT team or our joint team how we're
[12:24] working together on that we talked about
[12:25] Communications we talked about criminal
[12:27] investigations we talked about mcap
[12:29] which we're going to give an update here
[12:31] tonight and we talked about uh kind of
[12:33] joint operations with traffic
[12:35] enforcement those are kind of five areas
[12:36] that we work with your Chief um trying
[12:42] to do these things in in in
[12:44] collaboration as as a uh as law
[12:47] enforcement this year kind of some of
[12:49] our Focus that I wanted to report on
[12:52] some some uh successes where we've made
[12:56] some Headway um
[12:59] we we have looked for ways to fund a lot
[13:03] of these operations through the state or
[13:05] through different federal grants I know
[13:09] that in my opening remarks we talk about
[13:12] the cost the burden that this brings and
[13:14] you guys have so many different uh
[13:16] priorities that you're trying to weigh
[13:18] and sometimes you're not able to to to fund these at the levels that we want
[13:23] MCAT is one of those that is a it's a
[13:27] multi- agency Joint Task force it is
[13:29] proactive work and sometimes a lot of
[13:32] our Chiefs and and the sheriff's office
[13:34] we need to have deputies and officers
[13:36] doing our calls for service our first
[13:39] responder work and these these uh kind
[13:43] of these proactive task forces sometimes
[13:45] are the ones that that get staffed last
[13:48] and one of the things is we would like
[13:50] to join those task forces if there was
[13:52] funding or if there's vehicles or if
[13:53] there's things that that make it um
[13:56] appealing for us financially to join
[13:58] that that um this last year we as the
[14:03] Arizona sheriff's Association lobbied at
[14:05] the state legislature through the
[14:07] governor's office to take the Bard what
[14:10] governor Ducey started was a border
[14:11] Strike Force well with the change in
[14:13] leadership that that was kind of going
[14:15] to go away and we kind of said hey don't
[14:18] throw out the baby with the bath water
[14:20] right and so Governor Hobbs had
[14:22] reallocated those funds through the
[14:24] legislative uh process it was
[14:26] appropriation that was where all the
[14:28] counties were able
[14:29] to um essentially apply for that and so
[14:33] we did a $1 million kind of Grant
[14:35] application to receive those funds which
[14:38] would now be sent to the county to work
[14:41] and to fund mcap we used to do a lot of
[14:44] these fundings through burn Jag and
[14:46] through asset forfeiture those things
[14:48] have really changed and you're relying
[14:50] on the federal government now we're
[14:52] relying on the state and this not
[14:54] relying on the state but we're asking
[14:55] the state to help fund it with the
[14:57] opioid crisis with the f all crisis with
[14:59] the poorest border and we're seeing a
[15:00] lot of these things that have an effect
[15:02] on us you're seeing a lot of great work
[15:05] that MCAT has been doing over the years
[15:07] with their productivity and their
[15:09] production what we've been able to
[15:10] manage here locally we were able to ask
[15:13] for $1 million Grant we we expect to to
[15:16] receive that in full which those funds
[15:19] were going to be pushed each of our
[15:21] municipalities as an opportunity where
[15:23] they can put someone on the task force
[15:25] up to 75% funded and so that's a
[15:28] exciting opportunity that is essentially
[15:32] two to three times more than what we've
[15:34] done in the past and that's something
[15:36] that we as are looking to um be United
[15:40] within the county that there's there's a
[15:42] great opportunity that's going to bring
[15:43] additional services to your community um
[15:46] the next thing on our Communications
[15:48] with Pinetop Lakeside Joint Forces with
[15:50] sholo we have been working with sholo to
[15:54] make sure that we're not going in
[15:56] different directions I'm not an expert
[15:58] when it comes comes to VHF UHF LTE and
[16:00] all these things but I'm learning it as
[16:02] I'm going and we have people that speak
[16:05] those languages and we got together with
[16:08] your Chief and the City of scholo Chief
[16:10] to say if you guys move this direction
[16:12] we're going to move that direction vice
[16:14] versa that way our two centers Don't Go
[16:17] in different directions and that way
[16:19] that you as community members and
[16:21] councils don't see any um variances
[16:24] between how these operate and that when
[16:27] someone calls 91 one I don't think they
[16:29] care if it goes to Holbrook or if it
[16:31] goes to sholo or how it gets there they
[16:33] just need resources sent quickly right
[16:37] and so that's what our Focus has been in
[16:41] November the Navajo last year the Navajo
[16:44] County Sheriff's Office so part of that
[16:47] conversation I'll just step back just
[16:49] one part of that conversation was not
[16:51] only do we have these centers but we
[16:52] need to really up our infrastructure
[16:56] sites we're operating on four tower
[16:58] sites in our entire County we felt we
[17:00] need to be looking at other models of
[17:02] other counties we need to be around 15
[17:03] or 16 18 20 sites Towers repeaters uh we
[17:07] needed better uh Portables better mobils
[17:10] in our vehicles Navajo County Sheriff's
[17:13] Office applied for a Dema Grant through
[17:15] it's it's federal funds that were sent
[17:18] uh or no they're from the state that
[17:19] were sent to DEA that law enforcement
[17:21] was able to apply for we applied the
[17:23] Sheriff's Office on behalf of all uh law
[17:26] enforcement we received a $7 million
[17:28] Grant and with that Grant we have P
[17:31] we're purchasing radios for every police
[17:33] officer in this County and we're
[17:36] purchasing radio sites and and all that
[17:39] so that we are taking uh the steps
[17:42] forward with the city of sholo to ensure
[17:45] that everybody's Communication in
[17:47] everybody's vehicle fire and police and
[17:49] Sheriff's is all talking on the same
[17:52] language and uh that that is in the
[17:55] works now the grant has been awarded and
[17:57] it's this $5 million or it's a 5year $7
[18:00] million
[18:01] Grant and2 or3 million of those was
[18:04] carved out for this for uh radio
[18:08] infrastructure um next thing three or
[18:11] four years ago we talked about a gel
[18:14] District uh being implemented within
[18:16] Navajo County that has been about 5
[18:20] years that has been very
[18:24] um what' you say it's put good
[18:29] foundation and good structure to the
[18:31] future of jail operations within this
[18:33] County with that we in the last couple
[18:36] years have gone outside of just looking
[18:38] at detention costs medical costs and
[18:41] feeding inmates and just doing those
[18:43] routine mandatory obligations that we
[18:45] have we're now looking at programs that
[18:48] we're starting within the Jael to do
[18:51] actual Rehabilitation or what we're
[18:53] calling re-entry when we say re-entry
[18:55] when people leave the facility and
[18:57] re-enter Society
[18:59] these are my neighbors these are your
[19:00] neighbors they are being held
[19:02] accountable and they're being booked in
[19:03] for for crimes that they've committed
[19:05] but while they're there we're finding
[19:06] that a vast majority of these around 50%
[19:10] it's a substance mental mental illness
[19:13] or substance abuse type thing the other
[19:15] half are serious crimes that they'll
[19:17] probably end up spending DLC time but on
[19:19] those ones that are shortterm going to
[19:21] be re-entered we're looking to start two
[19:23] where we are starting two programs one
[19:26] for the this re-entry where they working
[19:29] with the prosecutor's office where they
[19:31] are going to be given um kind of
[19:34] diversion for for treatment and where
[19:38] their accountability is not dismissed
[19:41] but it's in condition with receiving
[19:44] treatment and then we're going to also
[19:46] have in inhouse or in custody uh
[19:50] substance abuse treatment that way when
[19:52] your cities and the cities within here
[19:54] book them in within ril you're going to
[19:56] get back hopefully a better better
[19:58] citizen that's going to come back and um
[20:02] with successes of not having as many
[20:04] addicted to these drugs and hopefully
[20:06] become a property owner taxpayer and
[20:09] start contributing to society so that is
[20:11] something that we're really excited
[20:13] about because of that jail district and
[20:15] that we now have that stability in there
[20:17] we now are applying for these grants
[20:19] we're seeing great strides in what we
[20:21] are uh in our jail
[20:24] operations um touched on the regional
[20:27] dispat and how that's moving along
[20:29] coming in the same direction CI criminal
[20:32] investigations you guys have had one of
[20:34] the best or not the best one of the
[20:38] most prolific um Cold Case Sol solved
[20:43] cases uh in recent history in this
[20:45] County it was remarkable work that your Police Department did you you
[20:50] should be extremely proud of that case
[20:52] that they
[20:53] did um criminal investigations is one of
[20:56] the most critical aspects I look at each
[20:59] of our our um our departments that is
[21:03] where we're handling some of the more
[21:04] serious crimes we're looking at
[21:06] 30-year-old homicides like like we that
[21:09] was dealing with here we're looking at
[21:10] crimes against children we're looking at
[21:13] um large dollar frauds we're looking at
[21:15] um suicides and all and essentially all
[21:19] death investigations that we we need to
[21:22] make sure we do it right and we don't
[21:24] make any type of mistakes um and that's
[21:27] where we as as a county have really
[21:29] worked together we have what we call the
[21:31] Navajo County homicide Task Force if we
[21:33] have a critical incident we rely on each
[21:35] of the communities or each of the cities
[21:37] to to come together to support one
[21:39] another but it gets burdensome on a lot
[21:41] of these smaller departments where
[21:43] they're like I don't have the overtime
[21:44] funds to send them there I don't have
[21:45] the training for these types of things
[21:47] and then vice versa when someone has to
[21:49] come to our community and send ler
[21:52] detective for a day or two it it's one
[21:54] of those things it's it's hard to wait
[21:56] but we always do what's what's best for
[21:57] the
[21:58] community so we had an appropriation
[22:01] that now we've just received it for the
[22:03] second year in a row we're receiving
[22:05] $120,000 each uh budget Year from the
[22:07] state to go to these region there was
[22:10] five Regional task force identified and
[22:12] Navajo County was one of them because we
[22:14] applied through it through the Sheriff's
[22:15] Office that way when we ask for your
[22:18] detectives to go to these type of
[22:20] trainings or to to work with us that we
[22:21] can help with not only the cost of the
[22:24] overtime but with the training and the
[22:26] supplies and so those are ways that
[22:29] we're looking for Solutions we're
[22:30] finding these funds in these three
[22:32] different areas that are really
[22:34] hopefully going to to make a difference
[22:37] in our in our Public Safety and our
[22:39] criminal justice going forward so with
[22:41] that I just want to give quick update on
[22:43] those five things and then we had um
[22:45] kind of our MCAT update we always do we
[22:48] try to talk about specifically of the
[22:51] type of crimes that we were working in
[22:53] and around the Pint toop Lakeside area
[22:55] and some of those statistical data is
[22:59] okay he was going to give this part of
[23:01] it but he's running late so I think you
[23:03] just may hold him in uh hold him in
[23:05] contemp for something right but I'll go
[23:07] ahead and do
[23:08] it um did it go where do I point it at
[23:13] this just try to point it at this
[23:15] computer there you go yeah okay so these
[23:18] are their 2022 annual uh statistics for
[23:22] um
[23:24] nav as you can see methamphetamine
[23:27] heroin and uh cocaine was one of the
[23:30] more surprising things but these are in either in pounds or grams of of what
[23:35] we sees you can see that fentanyl at 2.1
[23:40] million pills is the drug of choice
[23:43] throughout America in Arizona and in
[23:46] Navajo County it is it is overtaken what we're seeing being traffic what
[23:52] we're seeing on the streets um it has
[23:54] the highest level potency you've seen
[23:56] all the reports it's still
[23:58] I think it was two years ago it Arizona does a uh threat assessment
[24:04] on on the drug trafficing and and what heida um sees as as the biggest
[24:10] threats to our communities and it was
[24:13] methamphetamine held the top drug for at
[24:17] least a decade it was two years ago that
[24:18] fentanyl overcame that and it and it's
[24:21] done it with quite the force and it's
[24:22] something that we're we're certainly
[24:24] concerned about and we're continued
[24:26] because the numbers just keep Rising um everything else kind of seemed
[24:30] to have plateaued but uh cocaine had
[24:33] made a rise in the last year uh we
[24:37] conducted 68 search warrants throughout
[24:39] this is mcap which is the regional task
[24:41] force that everybody uh participates
[24:43] with and we they conducted 68 search
[24:45] warrants countywide uh during that last
[24:49] year um that was in 22 here in 23 you
[24:53] can see that the fentanyl pills went
[24:55] down by a million um lot of those lot of
[24:59] those seizures are coming on the
[25:01] interstate and
[25:04] um we we would
[25:06] attribute throughout Arizona the numbers
[25:09] were still higher but our local seizures
[25:11] just went down it's not that we're
[25:13] seeing less coming through the state we
[25:15] just uh interdicted Less on on the
[25:17] interstate and part of that would be
[25:20] that our deputies and our DET Texas
[25:22] working in this TR task force were uh
[25:25] instead of doing a lot of interdiction
[25:27] work we're doing a lot of those search
[25:28] warrants working uh working what we call
[25:31] drug trafficking organizations and
[25:32] trying to to intercept those and
[25:35] dismantle those um some of the
[25:38] comparisons have kind of kind of the
[25:40] trends stayed consistent throughout the
[25:42] years but certainly methamphetamine or
[25:46] Methamphetamine and Fentanyl is is uh
[25:49] the two highest uh
[25:52] producers um M catar compared from 2022
[25:56] to 2023 we we had
[25:58] 24 uh3 this year and or last year and
[26:02] then 20 228 the year before so you
[26:05] seeing our our arrests with this task
[26:07] force have gone
[26:09] up uh here's our agency assist broken
[26:12] down uh between each agency and as you
[26:15] can see in the pie chart uh they're
[26:17] assisting every agency uh in to include
[26:20] Apache County um as they've become truly
[26:24] one of the uh hardest hitting fastest re
[26:27] acting groups within the the White
[26:30] Mountains we're really proud of the work
[26:32] that they've done and that that each of
[26:34] these agencies rely or not rely on them
[26:37] but they depend on them and they really
[26:38] use utilize their
[26:41] services
[26:44] um why are you familiar with this this
[26:53] one
[26:56] yeah so back in April we uh had some
[27:00] information that received from some of
[27:01] our local agency
[27:03] officers
[27:05] with different subjects coming in and
[27:07] have a hotel room in the sholo area
[27:10] within that we started looking into it
[27:12] with our detectives with the assistance
[27:14] of like DPS Arizona gang task force as
[27:18] well through this mult multiple traffic
[27:21] stops were made throughout sholo into
[27:24] snowflake Heber even up into pint top
[27:26] that were all related to come in from
[27:28] this room by the time we were done with
[27:30] it uh we made the 19 arrest five search
[27:33] warrants were actually served one of
[27:35] them was actually served by Phoenix Drug
[27:37] Enforcement Bureau with us on a Target
[27:40] down in the valley that all tied into
[27:41] this
[27:42] area this is also part of a couple
[27:45] people that we have actually arrested
[27:47] two to three times not just only our
[27:50] task force but shd Pine Top Lakeside
[27:52] police officers so it's one of one of
[27:54] them and we've actually just got a
[27:55] sentence in both two of the suspects
[27:58] Reed 5 years prison time out of it so
[28:00] that's been really
[28:03] good thank
[28:05] you
[28:07] um here we have a
[28:10] couple those yeah remember these so we
[28:14] have one detective that's actually a
[28:16] full-time Task Force officer assigned to
[28:18] Homeland Security out of Flag Staff um
[28:20] they received a lot of multiple tips
[28:22] regarding sex offenses throughout the
[28:25] state um our officers that's assigned to
[28:28] that he actually this tip came in
[28:31] and received information of a bunch of
[28:34] sexually explicit material involving a
[28:37] CH child um he called me directly we
[28:40] started working it with Homeland
[28:41] Security same day that we had the tip we
[28:44] had suspect in custody did three search
[28:47] warrants on the house two houses one on
[28:50] a vehicle was able to get the suspect in
[28:53] custody who was working at a local
[28:55] business um speaking with County
[28:58] attorneys I mean there're so far at up
[29:00] 11 counts of the exploitation uh sexual
[29:04] exploitation of a minor photographs um
[29:07] there is still information going on
[29:08] Investigation to further into this which
[29:11] could lead to more charges so basically
[29:13] our mkat team is not only just looking
[29:15] at our dope stuff if it's a major crime
[29:19] we get information on we kind of run
[29:21] with it also in August uh wisell police
[29:25] department called us and said hey we've
[29:27] got a bunch of string of burglaries in
[29:28] there air where one of them is actually
[29:30] a robbery guy walks into a Circle K just
[29:33] walks in there with a knife starts just
[29:35] loading alcohol cigarettes and walks out
[29:37] with about $4,000 worth of product um we
[29:41] was able to identify who the guy was
[29:43] which was also one of our targets we are
[29:44] looking at for some drug sales So within
[29:47] 24 hours we did a search warrant on the
[29:49] residence and recovered probably 50 to
[29:52] 60% of the property and located uh
[29:56] stolen firearm along with some some
[29:59] drugs out of it so it was a really good
[30:01] partnership with all all the agencies on
[30:03] any of these cases because part with
[30:05] just our little task force there's
[30:07] usually three s or three detectives one
[30:09] Sergeant working most of it we can't do
[30:12] it without the help of our local agency
[30:14] even the patrol officers just because of
[30:16] Manpower and the time it's been really
[30:19] beneficial thank
[30:26] you yeah this one we speaking of Jael
[30:29] operations we had an overdose you know
[30:31] fentanyl is is smuggled into everywhere
[30:34] we had a we had an individual who was
[30:37] remanded in court and was sent or was
[30:39] sent you know uh to jail and he had
[30:42] smuggled in couple pills in his shoes
[30:45] that was missed during the search he had
[30:48] transferred one to his uh cmate who
[30:52] started overdose that's why these
[30:54] deputies are recognized for their life-
[30:56] saving measures they performed CPR
[30:58] revive them but MCAT was called in to do
[31:01] an investigation to find out who he was
[31:03] who brought him in and where they did
[31:05] that with that information they were
[31:06] able to go back to the residents
[31:08] intercept a lot of gun stolen guns uh
[31:11] fent andol that was still in the home
[31:13] that led to several arrests from that so
[31:16] uh even though we took one tragic
[31:18] scenario that occurred in the jail these uh this great team was able to uh
[31:23] further that and uh bring uh several
[31:25] others that were contributing this to
[31:29] Justice um with that those are just a
[31:32] couple of the snapshots of of of the
[31:34] operations that we're doing here in
[31:36] Navajo County but of course uh open up
[31:38] to any questions if you have any if not
[31:40] I just want to thank you again for your
[31:41] time thank you for the the uh
[31:44] partnership and the work that we work in
[31:47] working with your city and uh the great
[31:49] uh Chief and and command sta that you
[31:51] have at the city of pintop that uh work
[31:54] diligently uh to ensure that Public
[31:56] Safety is is it uh is a priority within
[31:59] this community and we couldn't uh we
[32:01] enjoy working with them and and being
[32:03] Partners in that in that mission each
[32:04] and every day so thank you sheriff and
[32:07] Wy appreciate those updates um it's just
[32:10] amazing kind of scary in our little
[32:12] small towns we would think that we were
[32:14] to this but I think you have your head
[32:15] in a sand if you continue to think that
[32:18] um any other questions or comments that
[32:21] was a great report councelor Craig bomb
[32:23] do you have anything you'd like to
[32:25] add no thank you and we appreciate all
[32:29] the work that you're doing to obtain
[32:31] those grants um we all know how precious
[32:33] the dollar is and we need to to keep
[32:35] working on so thank you sheriff wely for
[32:38] coming tonight yes yes thank you yes
[32:40] appreciate you very
[32:42] much we'll then go ahead and move on to
[32:45] item D4 which is consider approval of
[32:48] resolution Number 24- 1700 authorizing a
[32:51] call of election for the town of pintop
[32:54] Lakeside 2024 primary and general
[32:56] election
[32:57] Christie this one is you yes good
[33:00] evening mayor and Council I am going to
[33:02] get back over to the correct screen here
[33:05] um so this resolution is for the call of
[33:07] election for the primary election and if
[33:10] needed the general election I just want
[33:12] to give a little bit of background
[33:13] because um as of Friday February
[33:17] 9th um the governor signed House Bill
[33:21] 2785 which changed the primary election
[33:25] by one week it moved it one week earlier
[33:28] the reason for the change in that um
[33:30] date is in 2022 a bill was signed that
[33:36] changed the the percentage of ballots
[33:39] that could be challenged for a recount
[33:42] from 0.1 to5 so with the increase they
[33:44] say it could take longer there's going
[33:46] to be it could possibly cause more
[33:49] recounts so in order to give them enough
[33:52] time to get the ballots counted so that
[33:55] they do count in the election they had
[33:56] to ch change it by a week this could be
[33:58] a permanent thing is what they're saying
[34:00] it's not just for the primary election
[34:02] this year it could be for the ones
[34:04] oncoming um this doesn't affect the
[34:06] general election but um there was a
[34:10] possibility that if that didn't get
[34:12] changed none of Arizona's votes would
[34:14] have counted at all so they moved that
[34:17] to July 30th um for those candidates
[34:21] that picked up petitions and had
[34:23] signatures before the change which it
[34:25] was effective on the 9th I think I said
[34:27] that but um if the petition said that
[34:30] they were signing for an August 6th
[34:32] election they're letting us go ahead and
[34:34] take those petitions because it was
[34:37] changed after that was signed by
[34:39] legislator after and then um as of the
[34:42] 9th every petition needs to state that
[34:44] the election is July 30th and they'll
[34:46] all be accepted um we have three four
[34:50] year seats um and one twoyear seat on
[34:54] this election um council member Craig
[34:57] bomb council member snitzer council
[34:59] member Smith their their seats are up so
[35:01] those will be for fouryear seats and
[35:03] then Jeff Phillips who was recently
[35:05] appointed it was finishing out a term
[35:07] when council member Brimhall left and
[35:10] that will be a two there will be two
[35:11] years left on that term after this
[35:12] election so we'll have four seats in the
[35:15] primary election um if all four seats
[35:19] get
[35:20] um uh majority votes then we won't have
[35:23] to take it to the general but the we're
[35:25] going to go ahead and just add the
[35:27] general and the and the primary
[35:29] elections together into this call of
[35:32] election is there any questions on that
[35:34] any questions for
[35:36] Christie thank you for explaining all
[35:38] that that was a little bit confusing
[35:39] when the state did that to us I think
[35:41] yes yeah so do I have a motion vice
[35:45] mayor I move to approve resolution
[35:47] number
[35:49] 24-17 authorizing the call of election
[35:51] for the town's
[35:53] 2024 primary election to be held on July
[35:56] 30th 20 24 and the general election if
[35:59] needed being held on November 5th
[36:03] 2024 I'll second that thank you we have
[36:05] a motion a second is there any further
[36:08] discussion all in favor please signify
[36:10] by raising your right
[36:11] hand councelor Craig
[36:14] bomb I thank you that carries
[36:17] unanimously um there being no further
[36:20] business um I will adjourn our regular
[36:22] council meeting thank
[36:25] you can you give me one second mayor I
[36:28] went to switch my recorders okay thank
[36:40] you I need to get to my agenda too
[36:47] so okay whenever you're ready okay hang
[36:50] on a minute I need to get to my okay we
[36:52] don't have to figure all this out
[36:55] anymore
[36:57] okay I will call the board of adjustment
[36:59] meeting to order this evening um we do
[37:02] have a quorum again counselor board
[37:04] member um cck bomb is on the phone with
[37:07] us
[37:08] today um this is a business meeting of
[37:11] the board of
[37:14] adjustment the board welcomes values and
[37:16] welcomes public input pleas please
[37:18] address us as a whole and not individual
[37:20] board members do not address staff or
[37:23] members of the audience action on
[37:26] Council excuse me board action on items
[37:29] brought up in call to the public is
[37:30] limited by the open meeting law the
[37:32] board may direct staff to study the
[37:34] matter and reschedule for further
[37:35] consideration later date items on the
[37:38] agenda will not be heard or discussed
[37:40] and call to the public and individuals
[37:41] are limited to three minutes of the
[37:42] board of adjustments special meeting
[37:44] held on November 2nd
[37:46] 202 thank you we have a motion of second
[37:48] further discussion all in favor please
[37:51] raise your right hand announced by the
[37:53] mayor and explained by staff any citizen
[37:56] who additional use permit
[38:01] Cup this item is the second time you've
[38:03] seen this item it was previously for
[38:06] your consideration in November Alpha
[38:10] this location is a neutral
[38:12] site
[38:16] 106.2 and it's Light commercial zoning
[38:18] District the applicant
[38:20] must 17106
[38:23] 020b the commission unanimously voted
[38:27] to deny the issuance of a cup the board
[38:30] of adjustment convened November 2nd 2023
[38:32] consider an appeal to the denial of cup
[38:35] 133 the applicant requested a 90-day
[38:37] extension to allow for the the
[38:39] exploration of an alternative location
[38:43] for the applicant uh failed to appeal
[38:46] within a lot of
[38:48] time a tower with a maximum height of 75
[38:52] ft or the height of the tree line ft but
[38:55] in no case greater than 95 ft per
[38:59] 171
[39:01] is permitted under the existing zoning
[39:04] with a conditional use permit however
[39:06] the
[39:08] height 1T with 5ot lightning rod hence
[39:12] the requested tower height of 180 ft
[39:16] Maxum the applicant proposes four Tech
[39:19] lights on the
[39:23] on for
[39:25] 17163 0 D the lighting is only
[39:27] permissible for by the FAA FCC or
[39:31] another governmental agency all lighting
[39:33] must be in conformance with
[39:35] 17 vertical Bridge proposes to remove an
[39:38] existing 8ft fence around the Western
[39:40] perimeter of parcel fences over 6 ft are
[39:43] only permitted as a conditional use
[39:44] permit condition per 17108
[39:48] 06082 the board of adjustment could
[39:50] require an 8ft tall fence as a condition
[39:52] of approval is recommended that an 8ft
[39:54] CMU block wall be utilized for screening
[39:57] the Landscaping plan has yet to be
[39:59] submitted as part of the application for
[40:01] 17106 030 F4F Landscaping shall mitigate
[40:06] the visual impact of a wireless
[40:08] communication facility and ancillary
[40:09] structures Evergreen plant material of a
[40:12] minimum height of 5 ft shall be planted
[40:14] adjacent to the exteria of any wall or a
[40:16] fence at least every 10 ft from Center
[40:18] to Center the community development
[40:19] director or the Planning and Zoning
[40:21] commission or in this case the board of
[40:22] adjustment May W or reduce these
[40:24] Landscaping requirements if it is deemed
[40:26] unnecessary or impracticable to provide
[40:28] necessary screen for 17106 030 f4c
[40:33] simulated branches must taper toward the
[40:35] top of the tower to give the appearance
[40:37] of a natural conically shaped evergreen
[40:39] tree the submitted Tower elevation does
[40:41] not demonstrate conformance to this
[40:42] requirement as it does not taper to give
[40:44] the appearance of a natural conically
[40:46] shaped evergreen tree but instead is a
[40:48] cylindrical shape some other things to
[40:51] consider um include General requirements
[40:54] outlined in 17106 030 F which requires
[40:57] wireless communication facilities to be
[40:59] cited and constructed preserve the
[41:01] pre-existing character surrounding
[41:02] buildings of vegetation while this site
[41:04] is neutral is immediately adjacent to
[41:06] the RV part most jurisdictions require a
[41:09] minimum of one to one setback in the
[41:11] event of catastrophic failure of a tower
[41:13] until recently we only required a fall
[41:16] zone letter the fall zone letter stated
[41:18] multiple times that it cannot guarantee
[41:20] the tower would fall within the 20ft
[41:21] fall zone radius which states which
[41:24] statements such as it will like
[41:26] do and so uh and a best attempt to meet
[41:29] the requirements given that current
[41:32] codes do not address failure mechanics
[41:34] is impossible to predict the behavior of
[41:36] a failing structure the fall zone
[41:38] require the applicant to submit
[41:40] additional information to provide
[41:41] further justification if they believe it
[41:43] is necessary or appropriate any existing
[41:46] Tower could accommodate the tower um
[41:48] excuse me an existing Tower could
[41:50] accommodate the tower within 6 t0 of a
[41:52] mile if the proposal progresses with
[41:54] approval there will be likely there is a
[41:56] likelihood that there could be three
[41:58] towers within this area including the
[41:59] existing and the proposed from Tower
[42:01] from Pine Top fire P 17
[42:04] 10608 D coordination with federal law a
[42:08] conditional use permit may be granted
[42:09] despite non-compliance with the
[42:11] provisions of this section whenever
[42:12] denial of a conditional use permit would
[42:14] unreasonably discriminate among
[42:16] providers of a functionally equivalent
[42:17] personal wireless service or prohibit or
[42:20] have the effect of prohibiting provision
[42:21] of personal Wireless services within the
[42:24] meaning of 47 United States code section
[42:27] 332
[42:29] c7b I in evaluating an application for a
[42:32] conditional use permit no consideration
[42:34] shall be given to the environmental
[42:36] effects of radio frequency emissions to
[42:38] the extent that such emissions follow
[42:40] the regulations of the Federal
[42:41] Communications commissions as provided
[42:43] in 47 United States code section 332 C7
[42:48] B4 for an annalysis have provided for
[42:51] the board of adjustment the following
[42:52] the applicant vertical Bridge request to
[42:54] have a conditional use permit issued for
[42:56] a cell tower on August 24th 2023 the
[42:59] Planning and Zoning commission
[43:00] unanimously six to nothing denied the
[43:03] issuance of the conditional use permit
[43:04] the reasons for the denial are as
[43:06] follows the applicant failed to provide
[43:08] engineering report sealed by a licensed
[43:10] structural engineer for
[43:14] 17167 1cd the applicant failed to show
[43:18] all preferred sites where the tower
[43:19] could be cited P 17106
[43:22] 7b1 the applicant failed to provide
[43:25] written explanation of why they did not
[43:26] select a preferred site including their
[43:28] best efforts made to secure each of the
[43:30] preferred sites why such efforts were
[43:32] unsuccessful and why each of the
[43:34] preferred sites is not technically or
[43:35] legally feasible for 17106 70b do3 the
[43:40] applicant proposed Tech lights on the
[43:41] tower for installing new apperances
[43:43] however no artificial lighting of
[43:45] wireless communication facilities is
[43:46] permitted unless such artificial
[43:48] lighting is required by the FAA or the
[43:51] FCC or another state or federal agency
[43:53] of competent jurisdiction or NE or
[43:55] necessary for security such lighting
[43:57] shall comply with the lighting
[43:58] regulations found in section 17141 100
[44:02] the applicant failed to locate the
[44:04] wireless communication facility away
[44:05] from residential neighborhoods whenever
[44:07] feasible per 17106 do10
[44:10] B while the applicant proposes to
[44:13] camouflage the site the camouflage must
[44:14] taper toward the top and the tower shall
[44:16] be painted to emulate a natural tree
[44:19] trunk per
[44:20] 17163 F4 CND D and finally uh under the
[44:25] effective or orance
[44:27] 24468 the tower would require 225 ft
[44:31] setback per
[44:33] 17164 two for my recommendations I
[44:36] provide the following staff recommends
[44:38] denying the cup for the following
[44:40] reasons proposed Tower's height is 180
[44:43] ft a maximum height of 75 ft is
[44:45] allowable and in no case greater than 95
[44:47] ft in the site designated as
[44:49] neutral applicant must submit evidence
[44:51] of meeting the requirements established
[44:53] was within 17106 70 B3 regarding contact
[44:57] with all other Tower providers and
[44:59] Property Owners within preferred sites
[45:01] the applicant failed to submit a fall
[45:03] zone letter that exemplifies confidence
[45:05] that the tower would not harm residents
[45:07] in the RV Park in the event of a
[45:09] catastrophic failure the applicant
[45:11] failed to locate the side away from the
[45:13] residential neighborhood for 17106 10B
[45:16] the applicant should have considered the
[45:17] requirements outlined in 17106 30f
[45:20] requiring Wireless communication
[45:22] facilities to be cited and constructed
[45:24] to preserve the pre-existing character
[45:25] of the surrounding buildings and
[45:26] vegetation while this is a neutral uh
[45:29] site it is immediately adjacent to an RV
[45:31] park a landscaping plan conforming with
[45:34] 17130 F4 still needs to be submitted
[45:37] Tech lighting does not me meet the
[45:39] requirements established within 17141
[45:41] 100 and 17106 030 D the effective
[45:45] setbacks cannot be met at the site per
[45:47] 17106
[45:49] 42 if the board of adjustment chooses to
[45:51] uphold denial the motion must contain
[45:53] the reasons for the denial which shall
[45:55] be supported by substantial evidence in
[45:57] the written
[46:02] record that's all for for now for my
[46:05] staff report thank you Jeremiah
[46:07] put need a towel or
[46:10] something need to drink water yeah
[46:13] anyway okay thank you Jeremiah are there
[46:15] any questions currently for
[46:17] Jeremiah um councilor Craig bomb do you
[46:20] have any
[46:22] questions no May when thank you
[46:26] um I would like to hear from the
[46:27] applicant at this time if you'd come up
[46:28] and and remind us your name and
[46:30] everything
[46:32] please thank you for having us here
[46:35] today myself Shannon McCrae State 48
[46:38] development Consulting on behalf of
[46:39] vertical bridge and Stephen Kennedy the
[46:42] RF engineer will be presenting um on
[46:45] behalf of vertical bridge for this
[46:46] Wireless
[46:50] facility um so
[46:52] whenever there thank you um so today
[46:55] we're we going to be going over the new
[46:57] proposed Wireless facility on behalf of
[46:59] vertical Bridge the site name is usaz
[47:02] 5121 this is cup
[47:06] 133 so the proposed Wireless facility
[47:09] will be located on parcel
[47:11] 41143
[47:13] 008a um and as mentioned by staff it's
[47:17] on a parcel Zone
[47:19] C1 it will be designed as a monopine to
[47:21] blend in with the surrounding pine trees
[47:23] in the area and will be located within a
[47:26] 43x 37 ft enclosure surrounded by an 8T
[47:30] High chain link fence compound the
[47:32] overall height of the tower will be 180
[47:35] ft which will allow for collocation and
[47:37] may include multiple antennas as shown
[47:40] on a later slide with the elevations and
[47:42] we did design the Tower with a 20ft fall
[47:45] radius to contain debris on
[47:47] site so here is just a an aerial view of
[47:51] the overall site plan as you can see
[47:54] that square that's on the screen there
[47:56] that just shows where the tower is in
[47:58] proximity to the parcel
[48:01] lines here is an enlarged site plan this
[48:05] shows the 10x15 concrete pad for
[48:07] Associated ground equipment the 4x9
[48:09] concrete pad for the Emergency backup
[48:11] generator and um it we would like to
[48:14] note for the record that emergency
[48:16] backup generators will cycle once per
[48:17] week for a total of 15 minutes and omit
[48:21] a noise of around 70 to 90 DB which is
[48:24] about the equivalent of a car are
[48:25] passing
[48:27] by so on the screen here you can see the
[48:30] elevations of the tower um the initial
[48:34] anchor tenant would be installed at that
[48:36] top there you can see that um and that
[48:39] is just the rad is basically the center
[48:42] of antennas where it will be installed
[48:45] on the tower let me go ahead and pull
[48:47] those up here so T-Mobile is the initial
[48:50] inchor tenant uh they will be installed
[48:52] at a rout of 171 ft the second Co cator
[48:56] would be installed at a rout of 159 ft
[48:59] and the third collator would be
[49:01] installed at a rout of 147
[49:04] ft there's additional views of the
[49:06] elevation of the
[49:09] Tower so stealth designs um per the Pine
[49:12] Top code it encourages stealth designs
[49:16] to blend in with the surrounding area um
[49:18] as such vertical Bridge decided that a
[49:21] monopine would best suit this area a
[49:24] monopine is is a tower that's designed
[49:26] to look like a pine tree um this photo
[49:29] on the right is not a photo from this
[49:31] specific area but from a different Tower
[49:33] as you can see in the back um the
[49:35] monopine kind of Blends in with the
[49:37] surrounding pine trees
[49:42] um uh so the fall zone uh the Pinetop
[49:45] Lakeside town code under chap chapter
[49:49] 17106 stated that the applicant must
[49:53] provide a certified letter from a
[49:55] structural engineer showing that the
[49:57] structural fa failure characteristics of
[49:59] the wireless communication facility and
[50:01] demonstration that site and setbacks are
[50:03] adequate to contain debris on site um at
[50:06] the time of submitt this was the code it
[50:10] is vertical Bridges position that as
[50:13] such since it was submitted under this
[50:15] code and because the application was
[50:17] active that the old code applies to our
[50:21] site um we did provide a 20 foot fall
[50:24] zone letter to the jurisdiction um and
[50:27] on the next SL this is just a photo of
[50:30] that fall
[50:32] letter so to review preferred sites
[50:35] neutral sites and disfavored sites I
[50:37] won't go through all of the details but
[50:39] preferred sites would include the fire
[50:41] station uh across the street and then
[50:44] neutral sites is any site Zone C1 PUD or
[50:47] r
[50:48] l disfavored sites would be residential
[50:54] neighborhoods so
[50:56] I'll go ahead and Skip just to this one
[50:58] but as you can see on the zoning map
[51:00] here the star the green star on the
[51:02] slide indicates where our proposed site
[51:05] is located it's located on a parcel Zone
[51:08] C1 which is listed as a neutral site um
[51:10] our low is also listed as a neutral site
[51:14] per the code and that RV park is just
[51:17] North of our site there located on R so
[51:21] it's that's just an aerial view
[51:24] there
[51:29] back um okay so I will go ahead and let
[51:31] the RF engineer who is here speak to the
[51:33] significant Gap in service um but the
[51:37] site is uh the only preferred option
[51:40] would be the fire station that was
[51:41] approximately 500 ft away I know we had
[51:44] at our last hearing requested an
[51:46] extension to look into the fire
[51:47] department but ultimately um it did not
[51:50] work for T-Mobile which is is why we're
[51:52] back here
[51:54] today
[51:59] and then this is just an aerial view of
[52:00] the proposed
[52:03] site uh the 5year facilities plan it was
[52:07] stated that that was not included with
[52:09] our application and we just would like
[52:11] to state that we did include that um
[52:13] which had a site inventory and the
[52:16] technologies that would be included on
[52:18] the tower um and then we did have a note
[52:22] that stated that there were no existing
[52:24] Tower T-Mobile Towers or vertical Bridge
[52:26] Wireless facilities within the
[52:29] jurisdiction that that's just a photo of
[52:32] the 5year facilities
[52:37] plan and then the Pinetop Lakeside code
[52:39] does encourage collocation we did
[52:42] explore the option of collocating on
[52:44] nearby structures um and he'll go ahead
[52:47] and deep dive into that a little further
[52:49] but we did determine that this area had
[52:52] the highest need for improved coverage
[52:53] in the area and the additional height of
[52:55] the tower beyond the prescribed limit in
[52:58] the code was necessary to achieve the
[53:01] coverage objective that the initial
[53:02] inchor tenant was looking to achieve um
[53:05] I'll go ahead and hand the presentation
[53:07] over to our RF engineer stepen Kennedy
[53:09] to go over those coverage maps and then
[53:11] if you have any questions feel free to
[53:13] let us thank
[53:15] you uh Stephen Kennedy I'm the owner of
[53:18] B wab coast Consultants out of Arizona
[53:22] I've got 34 years design experience in
[53:25] the Wireless Communications industry um
[53:27] can you bring up the RF
[53:29] justification
[53:39] deck that's the alternate side analysis
[53:42] try the other
[53:46] deck
[53:50] okay thank you
[53:52] ma'am okay once again um talking about
[53:55] the RF design analysis for the T-Mobile
[53:58] site for vertical Bridge so I'm an
[54:00] independent Consulting RF engineer I do
[54:02] not work for T-Mobile I represent
[54:04] vertical bridge and consult with the
[54:06] T-Mobile
[54:11] Engineers okay so two reasons why
[54:13] carriers design sites as your Sheriff
[54:15] stood up in front of you a little while
[54:17] ago and said that their four sites need
[54:18] to be about 20 it's infrastructure but
[54:22] the need is there so just like the
[54:25] sheriff's department wants to expand the
[54:26] radio network for First Responders the
[54:29] carriers want to expand their networks
[54:30] to provide service for their customers
[54:32] two types of things that create a need
[54:34] for a site one is coverage and that is
[54:37] the ability for a transceiver on a sell
[54:39] site to talk to the transceiver in the
[54:41] phone and have a connection and be able
[54:43] to follow through that connection
[54:45] without a drop call or without a loss of
[54:47] signal that's coverage capacity is the
[54:50] ability to process the traffic for the
[54:53] wireless phones now when I started this
[54:55] business 34 years ago all you could do
[54:56] on a phone was talk now we do a lot more
[54:59] with them we stream videos we do web
[55:01] searches there's apps like crazy on
[55:03] these things that cost capacity that
[55:06] cost throughput capacity and throughput
[55:08] or capacity can be explained um use an
[55:12] analogy of a water hose so if you have a
[55:14] water hose in your front yard you're out
[55:15] work in front yard one day you're the
[55:18] only person drinking from the water hose
[55:19] you're getting 100% of the capacity all
[55:21] the bandwidth is available to you if
[55:23] your neighbor walks up and says hey I
[55:25] want to grab water off the water hose
[55:27] too now the capacity is
[55:29] 50% you add two more neighbors drops to
[55:33] 25% four more neighbors it drops to 12
[55:36] half% down down down so the more users
[55:38] the less water or capacity per user
[55:41] there is these sites can work three to
[55:44] 400 users at a time because these phones
[55:46] while you may not be active on the phone
[55:48] it's active talking to servers and
[55:50] networks because of all the apps you're
[55:52] running on your phone so that's the
[55:54] capacity the
[56:00] impact all right so the objective new
[56:02] site is provide bandwidth for customers
[56:03] in the area provide coverage for
[56:05] T-Mobile users in this area because
[56:07] there's no T-Mobile coverage at this
[56:09] time so this site would provide coverage
[56:10] along 260 in the feder roads in the area
[56:12] where we have a significant Gap in
[56:14] service or no service 96% of Americans
[56:17] own a cell phone 57% of American homes
[56:20] rely exclusively on cell phones and 84%
[56:23] or more of 911 emergency calls are made
[56:25] from cell
[56:32] phones uh site 175t monopine with 5ft
[56:36] apperances all that's all the technical
[56:38] data latitude longitude ground elevation
[56:40] and the antenna center line for
[56:41] T-Mobile's
[56:43] 171 why here lack of coverage in Pine
[56:46] Top lack of services in surrounding R
[56:48] suburban and rural areas there's a
[56:50] significant Gap in service IE T-Mobile
[56:52] has no service in the area uh there's a
[56:55] been a significant amount of increased
[56:56] Network use for all the networks across
[56:58] rural Arizona just because of Co and a
[57:00] lot of people working from home and
[57:02] that's really put Demand on a lot of
[57:04] these networks and as you guys probably
[57:06] are proving new homes being built and
[57:08] all sorts of fun stuff it's it's
[57:10] expanding in the rural areas here's
[57:12] Zumer proposed
[57:14] site uh there's the nearest neighbor
[57:16] T-Mobile sites they're 53.5 miles away
[57:19] and 63.7 miles away so uh T-Mobile's
[57:23] working to expand that but this is one
[57:25] of the the key sites for that this is
[57:28] T-Mobile cell mapper this is coverage
[57:30] that's provided by drive test units or
[57:33] uh vans that drive around and they take
[57:34] readings across the United States and
[57:36] they they have a bunch of antennas on
[57:38] the top of Van bunch of phones and
[57:39] they'll go take readings and report this
[57:41] back to servers this is showing that
[57:44] there is nothing for T-Mobile in the
[57:46] area basically not even enough to to
[57:49] cause a receiver to go into full
[57:51] quieting this is open signal this is uh
[57:54] um so if you ever load an app on your
[57:56] phone like Facebook or something you're
[57:57] giving all these permissions for
[57:59] Facebook to load this stuff on your
[58:00] phone you're going to load a thin client
[58:03] and that's open signals Thin Client what
[58:04] that Thin Client does is it sends to
[58:07] open signal servers hey the telephone
[58:11] connected to the network that did some
[58:12] business and the coverage was good or
[58:14] the coverage was bad and we can see from
[58:17] this that it's significantly
[58:21] Laing this is uh
[58:26] reference signal receive power this is a
[58:28] way that we show coverage in a digital
[58:31] Network or a Broadband Network so green
[58:34] means to a 95% probability that there's
[58:37] going to be service inside a building so
[58:40] you've got all the walls you've got all
[58:41] the things that that can pass through uh
[58:44] and and slow down the the signal and not
[58:46] allowed entry so green when it runs a
[58:49] propagation modeling it's showing that
[58:51] you you're going to have to a 95%
[58:53] probability coverage indoors if you see
[58:55] yellow that's in vehicle and if you see
[58:58] red that's open field you're out the
[59:00] golf course you're out in your front
[59:01] porch you're you're you're not not
[59:04] inside or not in a vehicle this is for
[59:07] low band and to make note 85% of
[59:10] T-Mobile Spectrum as allocated by the
[59:12] Federal Communications Commission is
[59:14] midband so this is low band uh so there
[59:18] it it provides a greater service the the
[59:20] RF the radio energy propagates
[59:23] farther we go to the midband we see A
[59:25] Change midband Is significantly smaller
[59:28] so 85% of the spectrum this is what the
[59:31] coverage it's going to provide where 15%
[59:34] of the
[59:36] spectrum I put a blue circle in to give
[59:38] kind of a reference of what the low band
[59:42] versus the midband is doing okay that's
[59:44] the last of that one the next thing that
[59:47] I was requested to do was an alternate
[59:48] side
[59:53] analysis
[1:00:07] that's
[1:00:13] it okay so uh I was requested to review
[1:00:16] other sites within the area at the
[1:00:17] heights that were available on those
[1:00:19] sites uh compared to the proposed by
[1:00:21] T-Mobile vertical Bridge so the local
[1:00:24] Juris required this two towers exist
[1:00:26] within 1.25 miles the proposed primary
[1:00:29] coverage objective is Highway 260
[1:00:31] towards pentop Lakeside and south and
[1:00:33] east of the proposed towards the country
[1:00:34] club the following propagation is for
[1:00:37] low band as well as midband just like we
[1:00:39] did before so here's the area so there's
[1:00:42] the distance from the proposed to the
[1:00:44] other SES one other site's 8 Miles Away
[1:00:47] the other one is 1.23 miles
[1:00:50] away so alternate site one owned by
[1:00:53] White Mountain Communications 50ft self
[1:00:55] support Tower highest height available
[1:00:57] was 110 ft so it's not you're not be
[1:01:00] able to put the antennas at the top
[1:01:01] Tower because somebody's already there
[1:01:03] ground elevation
[1:01:05] 6,961 ft alternate site to owned by
[1:01:09] navapache Electric Company 196t self
[1:01:12] support Tower highest height available
[1:01:14] is 130 ft that's at 7178
[1:01:19] amsl uh the jurisdiction also requests
[1:01:21] the proposed intentas be lower to 71 fet
[1:01:23] above ground ground level and compare to
[1:01:25] the
[1:01:26] proposed so this is the first low this
[1:01:29] is low band so if we look at the blue
[1:01:31] circle this is what the proposed site's
[1:01:33] going to be able to provide within 171
[1:01:36] ft in tenis Center Line for low
[1:01:38] band this is 10t on the site to the West
[1:01:43] so we can see a slight difference in
[1:01:45] what's what's being covered on the
[1:01:48] frequencies and then we get alternate
[1:01:50] two that's low band on for that site so
[1:01:53] we can see that it's going to be you
[1:01:55] know coverage in the Southeast but not
[1:01:58] coverage towards the center or the West
[1:02:01] within the when the primary coverage
[1:02:07] objective all right uh then we looked at
[1:02:10] proposed 71 ft so we lowered the antenna
[1:02:13] height from 171 down to 71 and that
[1:02:16] shows the difference in propagation
[1:02:17] analysis if you remember on the 171
[1:02:20] significantly more green and yellow
[1:02:21] within the blue circle so a significant
[1:02:25] drop in what the site would do at 71
[1:02:29] ft this is midband so 171 we saw that
[1:02:33] it's it's midband it's not going to
[1:02:36] propagate into the buildings quite as
[1:02:38] well uh just because the wavelength
[1:02:40] that's working out here's the RC RP
[1:02:43] coverage for the 110t
[1:02:46] alternate there's the RC RP coverage for
[1:02:49] the alternate number
[1:02:51] two and there's the rsrp coverage for 71
[1:02:58] ft so alternate sites do not provide the
[1:03:01] same level of service as the proposed
[1:03:03] Heights available in the alternates are
[1:03:04] not as high as the proposed uh
[1:03:07] alternates impact the coverage of low
[1:03:08] Band frequencies and significantly
[1:03:10] impact coverage of high band or midband
[1:03:12] frequencies and you get into 3,800 to
[1:03:14] 4200 megahertz and it it really makes an
[1:03:16] impact and then the reduction in height
[1:03:18] to 71 significantly reduces what the
[1:03:20] site can do so recommended uh please
[1:03:24] approve the proposed site at the hype in
[1:03:26] order for team
[1:03:27] M area I stand for questions thank you
[1:03:31] Steve any
[1:03:33] questions councelor snitzer uh yeah the
[1:03:36] backend um I don't begin to understand
[1:03:39] all the technical stuff but back in uh
[1:03:41] in
[1:03:42] October uh I made a request and they
[1:03:45] said they would comply and it's not here
[1:03:50] U my request was uh everything that was
[1:03:52] presented showed
[1:03:54] what happens if you have one Tower and
[1:03:58] my request was that if we have the
[1:04:01] existing towers and we use both of those
[1:04:05] towers and mount uh their equipment on
[1:04:07] both of those Towers what would the
[1:04:09] coverage look like then uh the coverage
[1:04:13] would be a probably 80% of what the
[1:04:17] proposed site would do the 80% of what
[1:04:20] the one single tall tower yes sir okay
[1:04:22] so they could basically get it at least
[1:04:24] 80% there uh if they added a third short
[1:04:28] Tower if they built the Tower in the
[1:04:30] middle uh and it was a short Tower which
[1:04:34] is whatever is permitted I forget 79 80
[1:04:37] whatever it is feet but if you had those
[1:04:39] three towers what would the coverage
[1:04:41] look like any idea coverage would be
[1:04:43] comparable but once again team Hubble's
[1:04:45] trying to do it with one one asset
[1:04:47] versus three asset well it's yeah it's much uh from a financial standpoint
[1:04:51] I understand it's easier to have a few
[1:04:54] big tower yes sir but it sounds to me
[1:04:57] like they could get where they want to
[1:04:59] get if they built a small Tower and then
[1:05:03] rented space on the other two towers is
[1:05:05] that right yes sir okay thank you yes
[1:05:07] sir any other questions any other
[1:05:09] questions for
[1:05:12] Steve thank you for your presentation um
[1:05:14] I would like to invite Jeremiah to come
[1:05:16] back up please go over what you've got
[1:05:19] for
[1:05:21] us so we had a third party RF engineer
[1:05:25] um basically run the numbers on the same
[1:05:28] site and interestingly enough the um RF
[1:05:32] engineer that we selected to do this was
[1:05:34] a had worked for T-Mobile for 20 plus
[1:05:38] years uh and I don't proport to
[1:05:40] understand all of this information
[1:05:42] that's in here either uh councelor
[1:05:43] snitzer but I'll do my best to convey it
[1:05:45] to the uh members of the board um so
[1:05:49] they basically ran the same numbers and
[1:05:52] some of the comments that they made were
[1:05:54] the values provided by the applicant
[1:05:55] were listed as rsrp th though the
[1:05:58] provided values were much higher
[1:06:00] strength than the applicant's typical
[1:06:01] design
[1:06:02] thresholds um and they go and they they
[1:06:06] as the maps that you sh that the the
[1:06:08] applicant showed they have some similar
[1:06:10] but they're slightly different and
[1:06:12] hopefully the board had time to review
[1:06:14] those they're also available in the
[1:06:17] packet for anybody interested at home or
[1:06:19] in the audience you can view them
[1:06:21] digitally um but some of the through the
[1:06:24] general discussion and the concerns that
[1:06:26] they had they said that the proposed
[1:06:29] location provides indoor coverage of the
[1:06:30] areas in Pinetop along Highway 260 from
[1:06:33] Sweetwater Ranch to the west to just
[1:06:34] past Buck Springs road entrance into the
[1:06:36] White Mountain summer homes and pine
[1:06:38] toop Lakes Country Club Pine toop Lakes
[1:06:40] has some indoor service but mostly in
[1:06:41] vehicle coverage along Buck Springs to
[1:06:43] Branding Iron Loop White Mountain
[1:06:44] Country Club is Not serviced well
[1:06:47] coverage is mostly local to the
[1:06:48] businesses along the Highway 260 the
[1:06:50] majority of which are to the west of the
[1:06:52] proposed Tower location tower Tower the
[1:06:55] wiscom tower area that's actually been
[1:06:57] purchased by Tower co uh the
[1:06:59] improvements in coverage to the east and
[1:07:01] south over the wiscom tower results from
[1:07:04] increased ground elevation of 7170 at
[1:07:07] the proposed location vers 6960 at the
[1:07:10] wiscom tower plus the increased rad
[1:07:13] Center of 171 versus
[1:07:15] 117 available at wisecom a total of 165
[1:07:18] ft increase in antenna height however
[1:07:20] the wise the wisecom tower as shown
[1:07:23] later provides better Target coverage
[1:07:25] around the business areas of pint
[1:07:26] toop uh some of the concerns the rsrp
[1:07:30] design points are little on the high
[1:07:32] side the 85 uh dbel mowatt rsrp for
[1:07:36] indoor service is more typical of
[1:07:38] commercial areas rather than rural areas
[1:07:40] in pintop residential indoor services
[1:07:42] for five megahertz carriers at 700 MHz
[1:07:46] is more along the lines of um 100 to 105
[1:07:50] D mows with many models showing to dbm
[1:07:54] and the link budget the covered areas
[1:07:57] have good population densities however
[1:07:58] the areas include very highly attended
[1:08:00] areas during the summer activities uh in
[1:08:03] this area and they're speaking
[1:08:05] specifically of the wiscom tower one
[1:08:07] sector of the proposed site will cover
[1:08:10] the general Pinetop area including
[1:08:11] businesses and residential areas one
[1:08:13] sector of the proposed site covers the
[1:08:15] Pinetop lakes and Pinetop Country Club
[1:08:17] areas one sector of the proposed site
[1:08:19] covers the residential areas of Woodland
[1:08:20] Hills and White Mountain Country Club
[1:08:23] the same services areas are provided by
[1:08:25] multiple sites by all the cellular
[1:08:26] providers in the area and such as
[1:08:29] Verizon at and cellular 1 use the other
[1:08:31] three sites they're functionable a
[1:08:34] single Tower location so hopefully that
[1:08:37] speaks to your question a little bit um
[1:08:39] a single Tower location may not provide
[1:08:41] sufficient capacity for the area and
[1:08:43] additional Tower locations will
[1:08:44] eventually be investigated by the
[1:08:46] applicant tier one carriers Verizon AT&T
[1:08:49] mobile Point their annual Capital spend
[1:08:51] to populated metropolitan areas Ro areas
[1:08:54] are typically the last areas to Beed
[1:08:56] which typically increases the time
[1:08:57] required to fix service problems
[1:08:59] congestion issues and lead to block
[1:09:01] calls and slow data through put speeds
[1:09:03] drop calls due to the areas of impaired
[1:09:05] services and and other concerns um then
[1:09:08] they go on to show some of the maps run with the numbers that they used and
[1:09:13] they're similar but they vary a little
[1:09:15] bit they show um the RSI RSSI approach
[1:09:20] and um using typical design values
[1:09:24] and then uh part of their analysis they
[1:09:26] state that the specifications provided
[1:09:28] by the applicant included only Spectrum
[1:09:30] owners by another entity the SL s
[1:09:34] Spectrum through this spectrum may have
[1:09:36] been so though the Spectrum may have
[1:09:38] been sold or leased to T-Mobile Sal
[1:09:40] Spectrum also owns or owned the B Block
[1:09:42] meaning the prediction should be run for
[1:09:44] 10 mahz LTE carrier rather than 5 MHz
[1:09:47] bandwidth and that concludes the third
[1:09:50] party
[1:09:51] analysis thank you Jeremiah does anybody
[1:09:54] have any questions for
[1:09:55] Jeremiah just more of an observation um
[1:10:00] if I'm looking at these Maps right and I
[1:10:02] don't I don't report to understand them
[1:10:05] but um understanding what was said the
[1:10:08] green area is where we're getting our
[1:10:09] coverage and this is on the low Band
[1:10:11] frequencies and I'm I'm looking at this
[1:10:13] and just comparing in my head where my
[1:10:16] house is versus where this Tower is
[1:10:18] going to go we're talking like a three
[1:10:20] mile stretch of highway and a whole
[1:10:23] bunch of land where nobody lives and a
[1:10:27] huge isore right off the the side of the
[1:10:30] highway in the middle of town for and I
[1:10:32] don't I don't understand the purpose
[1:10:34] there's barely any residential area that
[1:10:36] gets good coverage from this
[1:10:38] site that was kind of my observation as
[1:10:41] well councelor Heiser moving the site
[1:10:44] over there gives more elevation but then
[1:10:46] a big part of the area have the uh
[1:10:50] greatest effect on is basically forest
[1:10:52] service and uh not develop land so it's
[1:10:56] curious as to exactly why this site was
[1:10:58] selected as opposed to somewhere
[1:11:01] else thank you for your observations
[1:11:03] anybody else just I I I think there
[1:11:06] there's an obvious economic benefit to a
[1:11:09] single big tower it it's less costly
[1:11:12] than multiple Towers plus it gives you
[1:11:14] the opportunity down the road to sell
[1:11:17] space like what we're talking about
[1:11:19] lower down on the same Tower to other
[1:11:21] entities so but from the stand point of
[1:11:24] providing service as opposed to
[1:11:27] maximizing profitability you can provide
[1:11:30] roughly equivalent service with multiple
[1:11:33] Towers so if we if we um deny this we
[1:11:38] might be imposing a financial hurdle but
[1:11:41] we're not making it impossible to serve
[1:11:44] people in a certain area and um and then
[1:11:47] you know so I think um I think the
[1:11:51] things that we've asked for generally
[1:11:53] speaking but the thing I asked for in
[1:11:56] particular um they have not been very
[1:11:58] responsive to uh to our request for
[1:12:02] information or to the requirements from
[1:12:03] our codes um and and I don't think we
[1:12:07] are imposing anything more than uh you
[1:12:10] know lowered profitability if we say
[1:12:14] yeah you've got to have a small Tower in
[1:12:16] the middle that meets our requirements
[1:12:17] and use the existing Towers I think that would make a feasible solution for
[1:12:23] every body just not the highest
[1:12:28] profitability thank you go ahead and to
[1:12:30] that point part of the point I was
[1:12:33] trying to make was it seems as though
[1:12:34] they're going to have to have multiple
[1:12:36] Towers in the area anyways to meet the
[1:12:38] coverage need if the really the end goal
[1:12:40] is to provide coverage to the community
[1:12:42] because this does not do that right and
[1:12:45] that was one of the observations of our
[1:12:47] third party RF analysis uh RF engineer
[1:12:49] as well that uh this this Tower alone
[1:12:52] wouldn't uh
[1:12:53] provide coverage for the for the area so
[1:12:57] they eventually would seek more
[1:13:00] towers do do we have I know the
[1:13:03] progression the technology progression
[1:13:06] you know 5G and all this has been to uh
[1:13:09] more smaller
[1:13:11] Towers um does that is that only for
[1:13:15] urban areas or something like that
[1:13:17] looking I'm asking you to look down to
[1:13:19] the future I can't even imagine but the
[1:13:21] does the progression of Technology
[1:13:23] indicate that these big tall towers
[1:13:25] won't be required as much in the future
[1:13:28] um I may defer that question to an
[1:13:30] actual RF engineer being a civil
[1:13:31] engineer but I can tell you what I've
[1:13:33] seen um from the standpoint of
[1:13:36] engineering from civil engineering in in
[1:13:38] um Metropolis or greater Phoenix area I
[1:13:41] have uh another civil engineer on my
[1:13:44] commission and he's we had the
[1:13:46] conversation he said what they're doing
[1:13:47] down in the valley for instance is
[1:13:49] putting a bunch of towers on a light so
[1:13:51] you don't it's why when you go down
[1:13:52] there you don't see one every half mile
[1:13:54] of these 180t towers number one they
[1:13:57] don't have the same elevation obstacles
[1:13:58] or trees that we have but they're they
[1:14:01] have the ability to put these on lights
[1:14:02] anywhere and I think that at one point
[1:14:04] in our code the intent was looking
[1:14:06] forward that that was the direction that
[1:14:08] the industry was going and and correct
[1:14:09] me if I'm wrong but it appears that um
[1:14:12] our code was looking towards that
[1:14:14] direction but um I think that the
[1:14:16] service up here um May May preclude that
[1:14:20] number one based on we don't have the
[1:14:22] light capacity that cities do and we
[1:14:24] have all the elevation Deltas but you
[1:14:26] can explain more if you'd like so you're
[1:14:28] referring to small cells they're
[1:14:30] typically sites that are anywhere from
[1:14:33] 20 feet tall to 32 to 35 ft tall
[1:14:37] depending on the depending on the height
[1:14:39] of the light pole or the street uh
[1:14:41] traffic signal light so we see a lot of
[1:14:43] the small cells in areas where there's a
[1:14:45] lot of capacity so for example last
[1:14:48] year's Super Bowl at State Farm Stadium
[1:14:51] um I was hired to design about 50 small
[1:14:54] cells covering in and around that
[1:14:56] stadium so why so many small cells when
[1:14:59] there was already macro coverage that
[1:15:01] was because the amount of users within
[1:15:02] that area were very tight condensed
[1:15:05] packed small areas so you got a site
[1:15:08] that covers maybe two blocks so in a
[1:15:11] area like a college or downtown Phoenix
[1:15:14] or downtown Chandler or larger
[1:15:18] metropolitan areas you're going to see
[1:15:20] small sales and basically their capacity
[1:15:22] fixes so they're all ing mobiles to not
[1:15:24] talk to the macro but switch down to the
[1:15:26] small cell even though the coverage area
[1:15:27] is smaller so it does really good where
[1:15:29] there's slow traffic or a lot of walking
[1:15:31] colleges a lot of college kids love
[1:15:33] these phones so that's where you see
[1:15:35] small cells uh in order to have small
[1:15:38] cells you have to have existing macro
[1:15:40] coverage or large sight coverage to be
[1:15:42] able to do that yeah I wasn't exactly
[1:15:44] thinking of I was more thinking in a in
[1:15:46] a general sense the the years ago um I
[1:15:51] was working on a designing an
[1:15:53] agricultural tractor and all the gauges
[1:15:56] were analog gauges at that time uh but
[1:16:00] my program wasn't going to happen for 5
[1:16:02] years and we could see that five years
[1:16:04] down the road uh digital Technologies
[1:16:08] cost you know the cost curve would come
[1:16:10] down and uh so so the time that I was
[1:16:14] putting this together was prohibitive to
[1:16:16] do what I wanted to do but by the time
[1:16:18] we got there 5 years later it was
[1:16:21] cheaper and better and all that so so
[1:16:23] Mike it's sort of a general question do
[1:16:25] we see technology changing we're um not
[1:16:30] necessarily a little Tower every you
[1:16:32] know couple hundred yards but but uh
[1:16:35] something like uh you know using Towers
[1:16:37] but just not needing not even needing
[1:16:40] 180 foot Tower so there's two things
[1:16:42] that come into play one is the laws of
[1:16:44] physics and how radio frequencies
[1:16:46] propagate um it's kind of like you guys
[1:16:50] at being on the council you're setting
[1:16:52] up above everyone else right than
[1:16:54] everybody sitting in the chairs behind
[1:16:55] me so you have the ability to see
[1:16:57] everything better than what we have we
[1:16:59] have the ability to see you because
[1:17:01] you're elevated higher than what we are
[1:17:03] in the crowd same concept for antennas
[1:17:05] if you take your pair of eyes and you
[1:17:07] say I'm going to turn them into antennas
[1:17:09] all right are they going to work better
[1:17:11] up here near the top of my head where
[1:17:13] God put them or are they going to work
[1:17:15] better at my
[1:17:16] ankles so the laws of phys physics come
[1:17:18] into play with radio frequency
[1:17:19] properties but there's you know there's
[1:17:21] still it's like that that what used to
[1:17:23] be true in radio communications but they
[1:17:26] just found a way to to bring a ground up
[1:17:30] uh so that the basically the signal the
[1:17:33] signal was propagating from a higher
[1:17:36] level and covered more distance I it's
[1:17:38] just I mean I again I don't begin to
[1:17:40] understand the technology but do you see
[1:17:43] any uh any shift toward guys being able
[1:17:48] to solve the problem of getting cover I
[1:17:49] mean whoever does it will make a lot of
[1:17:52] money um you get of getting better
[1:17:56] coverage without having a tall tower
[1:17:58] don't see that once again it comes into
[1:18:00] play with laws of physics and terrain
[1:18:02] and morphologies and clutter data and
[1:18:05] trees and all those wonderful things
[1:18:07] that stop RF it's a physics
[1:18:10] thing any other
[1:18:13] questions okay thank you um this is a
[1:18:18] public hearing we do have some
[1:18:20] individuals that would like to come
[1:18:21] speak to us um if you guys would come up
[1:18:24] please Warren
[1:18:26] Avery thank you you know I was here in
[1:18:30] October when the room was was totally
[1:18:32] packed and you voted against it and now
[1:18:34] they're back again uh and I can see the
[1:18:36] difference it's a great marketing playy
[1:18:38] but I have three observations number one
[1:18:41] uh I saw a picture of this tower that
[1:18:43] looks like a tree and it was great but
[1:18:46] did you see any picture of the tower
[1:18:48] compared to the pine trees around it I
[1:18:51] don't think we have any 180t pine trees
[1:18:53] around here so this thing's going to
[1:18:54] stick out like a a sore thumb next thing
[1:18:57] I saw was a they have a 20ft fall zone
[1:19:01] well if you have 180 ft Tower and it
[1:19:03] falls over and it falls over white mine
[1:19:06] Boulevard what good is a little 20x 20
[1:19:08] fall zone going to do and the thing I
[1:19:11] never saw they talk about T-Mobile
[1:19:14] expanding their their marketing in this
[1:19:16] area did anybody see any any input as to
[1:19:19] what T-Mobile currently has in the
[1:19:22] October fire remember somebody asked who
[1:19:24] had T-Mobile nobody raised their hands
[1:19:27] so here we're supposed to put a tower in the hopes that T-Mobile is going to
[1:19:31] expand their business so I for me I
[1:19:34] still don't think it's a great idea
[1:19:36] thank you okay thank you Warren um David
[1:19:48] adcox mayor Commissioners thanks for
[1:19:52] having me come over for a third
[1:19:56] time personally I don't think that
[1:20:00] uh he's he's going to tell
[1:20:03] us his job here today is to get this
[1:20:07] Tower uh
[1:20:09] approved um I agree with you Mr snitzer
[1:20:13] the the technology is going there it's not going to have I mean why why
[1:20:18] not a 500t tower you know 180 ft Tower
[1:20:22] let's put a 500 foot 1,000 foot uh we
[1:20:25] can get coverage all the way down to
[1:20:27] Phoenix
[1:20:29] um I don't think that the due diligence
[1:20:31] has been done by this company they had
[1:20:34] 90
[1:20:35] days couldn't F could not uh respond
[1:20:41] back within the 90 days they missed
[1:20:43] their
[1:20:44] deadline and really in my opinion has
[1:20:47] not explored other options we've got uh
[1:20:50] Chief Morgan I was talking to him and
[1:20:52] he's been talked to there there was an
[1:20:54] option of T-Mobile joining with them and
[1:20:58] they had a deadline of today to either
[1:21:01] agree or
[1:21:03] disagree and from what I understand they
[1:21:06] either did not uh get back with them at
[1:21:10] all or um they they uh turned it down so
[1:21:15] it was an option that was right across
[1:21:19] the street that was given to them and
[1:21:22] they're still turning it down they're keep pounding this one
[1:21:26] location and I'm I'm representing the mobile home park and this
[1:21:31] Tower the base of this Tower
[1:21:34] unfortunately for
[1:21:36] me is 38 ft from the corner of my
[1:21:41] personal mobile home and like I was can
[1:21:45] you put your paper down so we can pick
[1:21:47] you up on our thank you okay that red
[1:21:49] microphone right in front of you thank
[1:21:51] you so it's 38t from the base of of of
[1:21:55] where I live and uh i' I've showed you
[1:21:57] guys pictures I I put out uh different
[1:22:00] presentations with pictures a lot of
[1:22:02] different information and for me I'm not
[1:22:06] going to be going out and
[1:22:08] looking out at a tower I'm going to have
[1:22:12] to actually see this Tower I'm going to
[1:22:14] actually have to go outside and look
[1:22:15] straight up at 180t Tower and and the
[1:22:19] fall
[1:22:20] zone is just you yeah
[1:22:25] it's Jeremiah has talked about uh if and and hope and in perfect world
[1:22:32] situations that's just that's just
[1:22:35] BS
[1:22:36] um I've got uh I'm I'm supposed to be
[1:22:39] reading this off I I like somebody else
[1:22:42] I I get off um I'll let it go it's down
[1:22:47] uh we had over a hundred uh signatures
[1:22:50] of of people before that are are against
[1:22:54] this um this was back when the mobile
[1:22:57] home park was actually open it's it's
[1:23:00] normally the majority of my people are
[1:23:02] only there for six
[1:23:03] months
[1:23:05] uh and so the other six months of which
[1:23:08] we are in right now they're not here and
[1:23:11] not representing uh but we had 100 100
[1:23:14] over a hundred uh residents that signed
[1:23:17] that uh a lot of this
[1:23:19] stuff he's covered we've covered
[1:23:23] Jeremiah's covered talking about the
[1:23:26] uh applicant doesn't provide the entire
[1:23:29] area the proposed
[1:23:31] facility uh justification as to why they
[1:23:35] don't have a preferred site uh of which
[1:23:38] the site on uh 2666 East White Mountain
[1:23:43] Boulevard it does not have enough space
[1:23:48] to do everything that they want if if it
[1:23:51] was the the the land itself with nothing
[1:23:54] else on that land it still wouldn't be
[1:23:57] enough for the tower they had a nice
[1:23:59] little Tower picture up there with the
[1:24:01] uh uh the little gazebo in
[1:24:05] there I did not see any properties that
[1:24:07] were 38 ft from the base of that Tower
[1:24:10] in that little picture picture you
[1:24:13] had
[1:24:15] uh say we've covered a lot of this um
[1:24:19] talked about Chief Morgan just talked to
[1:24:22] him tonight they never got back with
[1:24:23] them on a different
[1:24:26] option uh applicants said that they
[1:24:29] talked with the fishing game fishing
[1:24:31] game had no knowledge whatsoever of them
[1:24:34] contacting them at
[1:24:36] all doesn't qualify for a neutral site
[1:24:40] uh points that have already been made
[1:24:42] that I'm just going to touch on they
[1:24:43] missed the deadline the new setback is
[1:24:47] in effect now even though they they say
[1:24:49] that it wasn't in effect at the time it
[1:24:52] was uh it was denied at the time and
[1:24:57] they were supposed to show why it uh why
[1:24:59] it was supposed to be a good
[1:25:01] idea uh David can you kind of wrap up a
[1:25:04] little bit please okay that's about
[1:25:06] that's it's just not enough room in the
[1:25:07] tower and it's too close the fall zone
[1:25:10] is just it's
[1:25:12] not and so I definitely request that you
[1:25:16] uh turn it down thank you very much for
[1:25:18] your comments um Jackie
[1:25:21] Wilson
[1:25:26] thank you for hearing me I live at at I
[1:25:29] live in the mobile home park I liveed
[1:25:31] there year round and we did have a lot
[1:25:35] of people here representing us when in
[1:25:38] October when it when it first was said
[1:25:41] but I do live there year around
[1:25:44] and I have sell coverage but I don't
[1:25:47] have
[1:25:48] T-Mobile but I just don't think that that Tower belongs in our
[1:25:56] backyard and I'm like David it's setting
[1:25:58] right against the mobile homes that are
[1:26:00] on that side of the park and a lot of
[1:26:03] our friends are elderly and it's going
[1:26:05] to cause them health problems and I just
[1:26:09] think that you made the right decision
[1:26:11] in October and I hope that you find us
[1:26:17] in favor thank you thank you Jackie
[1:26:19] appreciate your comments is there any
[1:26:21] other member of the public would like to
[1:26:22] speak to us tonight as this is a public
[1:26:25] hearing okay seeing none we'll go ahead
[1:26:28] and close the public hearing and have
[1:26:29] open it up for Council discussion if
[1:26:31] there is any um councelor cig bomb are
[1:26:33] you still with
[1:26:35] us I am here okay just want to make sure
[1:26:38] if you have any comments let us know
[1:26:41] well um I would have a much improved
[1:26:46] self coverage at my house if a tower
[1:26:49] went in someplace up in this area but
[1:26:53] 180 ft just seem so high and exposed
[1:26:57] right there um at Hill Street and I
[1:27:01] appre I appreciate the people who live
[1:27:04] in all of those mobile homes um and I
[1:27:09] can certainly see their
[1:27:12] concerns thank you councelor Heisler um
[1:27:16] Jeremiah could you touch briefly on uh
[1:27:19] the FCC rules regarding health and
[1:27:21] Towers just real quick cuz I I mean want
[1:27:24] people understand that we're listening
[1:27:25] to what they say but we're also
[1:27:27] precluded from right and I mentioned
[1:27:29] that uh in my staff report that
[1:27:33] basically U you can't take into
[1:27:35] consideration health effects if it uh um
[1:27:40] Falls within the guidelines provided by
[1:27:43] the federal government um so basically
[1:27:46] that rules out that component as part of
[1:27:49] um the decision making process thank you make a
[1:27:56] motion board member oh councelor
[1:27:59] Phillips board member Phillips I guess I
[1:28:01] appreciate the fact that they uh
[1:28:03] provided the maps and all that and I I
[1:28:05] reviewed all that stuff and uh but me
[1:28:08] I'm a visual guy I actually took a drive
[1:28:11] out there this last week myself in my
[1:28:13] truck and where the proposed Tower uh
[1:28:17] would
[1:28:18] be I understand where you're saying 38
[1:28:21] ft is right on top of the the real close
[1:28:24] to those mobile homes and uh the 20ft
[1:28:27] Falls them seems to be a
[1:28:31] little
[1:28:33] underestimated and I would agree with
[1:28:35] that statement and that's why we brought
[1:28:36] forward after I after this came to my
[1:28:38] attention um having worked at a
[1:28:40] municipality that had at least a one: U recommendation that was what the
[1:28:45] commission um brought forward I
[1:28:48] initially proposed a 2:1 uh ratio the
[1:28:51] commission went with a 1 to one and then
[1:28:53] ultimately the council decided that uh a
[1:28:56] 1 and a quarter would be more signific
[1:28:58] or more uh substantial be able to cover
[1:29:01] things like maintenance and uh safety
[1:29:05] for uh residents around the area and uh
[1:29:08] did have this conversation with the town
[1:29:09] attorney and he's of the opinion that
[1:29:11] this is an effective ordinance and it
[1:29:13] was effective as of uh February 5th
[1:29:15] which was three days after they were
[1:29:17] supposed to be here for their 90-day
[1:29:19] appeal that was granted uh from the
[1:29:22] board in
[1:29:23] November thank you any other comments I
[1:29:26] guess I would ahead I'm a kind of a
[1:29:29] practical guy and we have a reason for
[1:29:33] the height that we have in our
[1:29:35] ordinances and this is way above that um
[1:29:40] I I understand why because the higher
[1:29:43] you get the farther you can transmit you
[1:29:45] know it's but you know technology is
[1:29:47] line of sight so I understand that uh um
[1:29:52] but from a really practical standpoint
[1:29:55] how can you expect a tower to fall
[1:29:57] that's 180 ft tall if it's strong enough
[1:30:00] to stand up it's probably strong enough
[1:30:02] to fall that
[1:30:04] way it's 180 ft you know fall radius to
[1:30:08] me right I I don't I don't see how they
[1:30:11] could do it in 20 ft unless it's a
[1:30:13] collapsible thing so they they in a
[1:30:15] nutshell they design a weak spot into
[1:30:17] the tower so the top 20 ft there's a
[1:30:22] they do a finite element analysis and
[1:30:25] they design it so there's essentially a
[1:30:27] weak spot there and in a perfect world
[1:30:29] the top would just fall off but we don't
[1:30:30] live in a perfect world there's
[1:30:31] potential and even as identified in
[1:30:33] their own fall zone letter for it to
[1:30:35] fall outside exactly that that's my
[1:30:37] point you
[1:30:39] know theoretically it might but probably
[1:30:42] won't fall within that 20 foot if there
[1:30:44] was a catastrophic failure it would fall
[1:30:47] the entire Tower would fall uh and
[1:30:49] probably roll even further than 180 ft
[1:30:52] yeah and I used to live in the little in
[1:30:54] that park by the
[1:30:56] way in the
[1:30:59] summertime yes go ahead councelor for me the main point just as as it has
[1:31:05] been since October is uh the and and you
[1:31:11] know and i' asked for him to bring this
[1:31:13] out they brought it out but only when I
[1:31:15] ask again they didn't volunteer the
[1:31:18] information and that is that they can
[1:31:20] provide uh
[1:31:22] essentially 100% of the same coverage by
[1:31:25] using two of the existing towers and
[1:31:27] renting space on them and building a
[1:31:30] conforming Tower at this location so so
[1:31:33] I don't see a need other than a
[1:31:35] financial need but there's no physical
[1:31:38] need the technolog is in place and uh
[1:31:41] you know a short Tower here and the
[1:31:43] other two towers would meet the needs so
[1:31:46] um you know for you know in addition to
[1:31:49] these other reasons I would say that
[1:31:51] because there's another way to meet the
[1:31:54] need thank you anything else um as did
[1:31:59] board member Phillips I have taken a
[1:32:01] tour of that um mobile home park and I
[1:32:06] know exactly where that Tower would be
[1:32:07] in relation to these folks homes and I
[1:32:09] just think that's way too close I mean
[1:32:11] we we thought about this when we
[1:32:13] implemented the
[1:32:14] 1.25 fall zone 1.25 to one so I think we
[1:32:19] are we are well aware of that and um
[1:32:22] also I want to address the 5G topic that
[1:32:25] came up on the shorter Towers I believe
[1:32:27] when we put that in our code it was an
[1:32:28] FCC regulation that we address that
[1:32:31] somehow in our code and so we were
[1:32:33] proactive in doing that even though that
[1:32:35] technology I don't believe is up here
[1:32:36] yet so that's why you know just for the
[1:32:39] Public's knowledge that's why that is in
[1:32:40] our code so I I too do not believe this
[1:32:44] is a great place for this proposed tower
[1:32:47] now the the technology I mean it's uh
[1:32:51] you know we went went away from from
[1:32:52] microwave as an example we went away
[1:32:54] from microwaves old technology were
[1:32:57] going to go to a new technology and then
[1:32:59] people figured a way to what they call
[1:33:02] multiplexing microwav so you have you
[1:33:05] know instead of it being able to carry
[1:33:07] one communication it can carry multiple
[1:33:09] Communications and all of a sudden
[1:33:11] microwaves have come back into the mix
[1:33:14] especially because there are places that
[1:33:16] suffer from low low uh internet service
[1:33:20] through the normal me so that like the
[1:33:22] hospital has a microwave link now in
[1:33:25] case everything goes wrong they still
[1:33:27] have a way to get in and out um so you
[1:33:30] know the Technologies keep
[1:33:32] changing thank you is there any further
[1:33:35] discussion if not I'm ready for a motion
[1:33:38] go right ahead I move to uphold the
[1:33:41] denial of the conditional use permit cup
[1:33:43] 133 for the construction of vertical
[1:33:45] Bridge cell tower on APN
[1:33:47] 41143
[1:33:48] 008a for the following reasons the
[1:33:51] proposed Tower's height is 180 ft a
[1:33:53] maximum height of 75 ft is allowable in
[1:33:56] no case greater than 95 ft and site
[1:33:58] design is neutral per 17106
[1:34:03] 5082 the applicant must submit evidence
[1:34:05] of meeting the requirements established
[1:34:07] within 17106 070 B3 regarding contact
[1:34:12] with all other Tower providers Property
[1:34:13] Owners within the preferred sites the
[1:34:16] applicant failed to submit a fall zone
[1:34:17] letter that exemplifies confidence that
[1:34:19] the tower would not harm residents at
[1:34:21] the RV Park in the event of catastrophic
[1:34:24] failure the applicant failed to locate
[1:34:26] the site away from residential
[1:34:27] neighborhoods per 17106
[1:34:30] 010b the applicant should have
[1:34:32] considered the requirements outlined in
[1:34:34] 17106 030 F requiring wireless
[1:34:37] communication facilities to be site
[1:34:39] cited and constructed to preserve the
[1:34:42] pre-existing character of the
[1:34:43] surrounding buildings and vegetation
[1:34:45] while the site is neutral it is
[1:34:46] immediately adjacent to an RV park the
[1:34:49] request is deficient as a land scaping
[1:34:51] plan in conformance with
[1:34:54] 17130
[1:34:57] F4F was not submitted Tech lighting does
[1:35:00] not meet the requirements established
[1:35:02] within
[1:35:03] 1704100 and 17106 030 D the proposed
[1:35:08] site does not meet the effective
[1:35:09] setbacks for wireless communication
[1:35:11] facilities established within 17106
[1:35:16] 0402 thank you I'll second that thank
[1:35:19] you we have a motion of second is there
[1:35:21] any further discussion all those in
[1:35:23] favor please signify raising your right
[1:35:25] hand thank you councelor
[1:35:28] cbom I thank you um the motion passes
[1:35:32] unanimously to uphold the denial of the
[1:35:35] cup um there being no further business
[1:35:38] before the board tonight this meeting is
[1:35:40] adjourned thank
[1:35:42] you