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Is that okay?

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great. Um, I am calling the

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regular meeting of the Rosstown Council

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Wednesday, April 29th, 2026 to order.

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Posting of the agenda and any changes to

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the agenda. Town Manager Johnson.

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>> Yes. Good evening, Mayor and Council

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members. There is one change. I'm

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requesting uh to pull agenda item 10C to

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remove it from the agenda this evening,

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and we'll be bringing it back to you at

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your meeting on June 11th. This is the

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uh contract with Marin IT for

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information technology services.

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Thank you. Item number three, disclosure

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of expart communications on items where

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the town council acts in an adjudicatory

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or quasi judicial capacity. Any

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disclosures?

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Number four, open time for public

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expression. This is limited to three

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minutes per speaker for items that are

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not on our agenda tonight. Is there

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anyone in the chamber with public

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comment? Yes. Step forward and use the

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microphone and introduce yourself,

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Hi. Um Diane Rudden, I just wanted to

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>> Okay. Sorry. Um that today I went down

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and went in Balloon Delights and was

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once again delighted. Um I didn't

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realize they started here in 1981

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and then moved to their other location

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for 40 years. So, I had heard some

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negative things about them, but I think

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it's wonderful to have a little

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something in downtown Ross. So,

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>> thank you.

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>> Good evening. My name is Randy Dvodto.

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I'm a longtime Kentfield resident and

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member of St. Anselms Parish at 97 Shady

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Lane in Ross. and I was asked to come

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down tonight to simply inform the

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council that our restoration of our bell

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tower project construction has started.

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Uh Cahill is our contractor. It will run

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through the middle of November. It

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involves replacement of the foundation,

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the siding, the weather proofing, the

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flashing and the roofing as well as

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repairing leaking windows. and we've

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made provisions for alternate parking,

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noise compliance, and um and um

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participation with all of the ROS

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requirements for construction.

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>> Thank you for sharing that.

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>> Anybody else in the chamber? Anyone

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online for public comment?

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No hands online. Mayor

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Number five, presentation of

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proclamation for retiring police chief

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Rafllo Pada. Where are you, Chief Pota?

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There you are.

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I I want you up here.

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» Sid. If you want to come up too, you

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So I am going to read a proclamation

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honoring Chief Rafllo Pa upon his

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retirement from the town of Ross,

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California. Whereas Chief Rafllo Pa has

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dedicated more than 42 years to public

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safety, beginning his career as a fire

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dispatcher and EMT in Marin County

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before attending the police academy and

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joining the Sanfell Police Department.

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And whereas Chief Pota distinguished

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himself over a remarkable career at the

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Sanfell Police Department, rising from

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patrol officer to lieutenant and serving

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in roles including major crimes task

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force detective, forensic artist,

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hostage negotiation team commander, and

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graduate of the FBI National Academy.

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landmark cases in Marin County,

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including the first Marin County DNA

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prosecution and assisted on the

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investigation of

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Exana Fairchild and Polyclass as a

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forensic artist. And whereas following

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his retirement from the San Rafale

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Police Department in 2018, Chief Pota

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continued serving the public as an

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investigator for the Marin County

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District Attorney's Office before being

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appointed chief of the town of Ross

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Police Department in 2021. Whereas, as

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chief of police, Chief Pa provided

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strong leadership to his team,

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overseeing training and equipment

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upgrades and hiring four officers to

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ensure the long-term strength of the of

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the department. And whereas Chief Pa

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built meaningful connections with Ross

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residents and the Ross school and was a

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familiar and beloved presence at

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community events including the Fourth of

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July celebration, Halloween, Spring

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Fling, and Live on the Common. And

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whereas it is most fitting that the town

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of Ross recognized Chief Pota's

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extraordinary contributions and wish him

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well in retirement. Now therefore, on

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behalf of the town of Ross and the Ross

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town council, I do by I do hereby honor

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Chief Rafel Pota for his lifetime of

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dedicated public service, his steadfast

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leadership of the Ross Police

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Department, and his genuine commitment

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to making Ross a safe and welcoming

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community for all who live here and

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visit. Thank you.

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if you'd like to say a few words. I know

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we're having a party tomorrow from 9 to

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10:30 at Marin Art and Garden, but if

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you'd like to say a few words,

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>> just just a couple things. First of all,

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none of it possible without my wife Sid.

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None of it possible without the team

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here uh at the Ross Police Department,

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the officers in the back of the room

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here, and of course, absolutely none of

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it possible without the town manager

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support and your support. Um I didn't I

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didn't do any of this stuff by myself.

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You guys made it possible for me. So,

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thank you so much. And then we'll talk

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some more tomorrow.

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Next is number six, the swearing in and

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badge pinning of our new town of Ross

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police chief, Raul Aguilar.

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Chief Aguilar, where are you? There you

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are. Come up, please.

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Fantastic.

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I Daryl Aguular

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>> I Raul Aguar

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>> do solemnly affirm that I will

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>> do solemnly as affirm that I will

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support

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>> and defend the Constitution of the

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United States

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United States

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>> and the State of Cal

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>> and the State of California

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>> against all enemies foreign and domestic

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that will that I will bear true faith

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>> allegiance to the Constitution

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>> and allegiance to the Constitution of

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the United States

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>> in the Constitution State of California

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>> and the Constitution of the State of

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California.

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>> I take this obligation

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>> that I take this obligation freely

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>> without any mental reservation

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>> or purpose of evasion

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>> well and faithfully

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>> that I will that I will well and

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faithfully

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>> discharge the duties upon which I am

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about to enter.

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>> discharge the duties upon which I'm

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>> Thank you very much.

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Welcome, Chief. We're so happy to have

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you. If you want to say a few words, you

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>> Thank you very much. Um, I will keep it

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brief. First of all, I want to thank um

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the um town manager for um giving me uh

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the trust to take on this endeavor. And

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I also want to thank the members of the

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council who have allowed me to uh you

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know take this endeavor and follow in

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the footsteps of Chief Pa who um I I'll

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be honest, I think I'm definitely um you

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know, it's a a big task, but I think I'm

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ready to do it. Uh, and also I want to

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thank especially Chief Pa for um, you

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know, training me and guiding me along

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the way. And there's also some other

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mentors in the room that I definitely

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want to mention. Um, Harry Barbier who

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was one of my original training officers

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back in 1999. Uh, and Chief Spieler who

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was one of my mentors uh, on my final

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years in San Rafale. So thank you very

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much for uh, being here. Um I mean

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there's so many of you here that I can't

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really um thank everybody but if I may

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just a couple more minutes uh I'm happy

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to introduce uh excuse me I just want to

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u recognize a couple people that are

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here in the room with me. Uh my son uh

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Captain Aguilar from the US Army. He can

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he he had two deployments to the Middle

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East uh a few years back. and also uh my

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mom and my dad, Hovita and Raul. Uh and I also like to um you know, finally,

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last but not least, my partner, the

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person that I uh dream about all the

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time, and I um you know, I'm getting a

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little choked up, but uh Olivia, who is

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» Item number seven is the mayor's report.

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May is wildfire preparedness month. Fire

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experts are concerned about March's

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record-breaking heat that dried out fuel

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months ahead of schedule in Marin and

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across the western US. On March 20th,

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Sanfell's temperature reached 92 degrees

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Fahrenheit, shattering the previous

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82°ree record in 1960. Thankfully, we

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have received more rain in April, but

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our extremely early and severe heat wave

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means we need to continue to be prepared

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for wildfires. Here are four easy steps.

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Number one, Alert Marin. Is your

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household signed up? Alert Marin

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notifies residents during emergencies

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like wildfires, flooding, or evacuations

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with timely, clear, and accurate

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information on what to do and where to

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go. But more than more than 40% of Ross

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households are not signed up for Alert

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Marin. It only takes a couple of minutes. And

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in my mayor's report, I have the website

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to sign up. Number two, the Chipper Day

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program for Marin Wildfire is now open

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through November with free curbside

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pickup and disposal of your yard's

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excess vegetation. Take advantage of

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this popular service by registering

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online. Number three, Marin Community's

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wildfire protection plan, C Community

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Protection, Community Wildfire

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Protection Plan, CWPP, will be presented

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to the public at a free wildfire

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preparedness forum this coming Saturday,

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May 2nd, 9:30 a.m. to noon at the

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Embassy Suites in San Rafale. Please

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join Marin Wildfire, wildfire safety

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leaders, local fire agencies, and

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community partners to learn how Marin is

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safer. And there's an online address

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that you can go and learn more about.

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Defensible space home inspections free

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from marin wildfire are done every other

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year in Ross. This year the inspections

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will be done in Winship in the Winship

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Park neighborhood. Dates will be coming

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soon. Please walk with your inspector to

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learn more and then open your report and

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follow the recommended steps to prepare

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your home and garden. If your home was

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inspected last year, please continue to

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address the issues that are identified

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in your report.

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Marin Master Gardener resources shared

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with age friendly roughs. I became a

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Marin Master Gardener in 2016 after 50

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hours of training over a five-month

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period and passing a final exam. This

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year, Marin Master Gardener celebrates

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its 40th anniversary, growing from eight

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Marin Master Gardeners in 1986 to more

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than 350 today. Each year, Marin Master

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Gardeners provides more than $1.6

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million in economic value to Marin

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County through our voluntary services.

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Earlier this month, I got to speak at

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the age friendly Ross meeting, sharing

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many of the free resources Marin Master

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Gardeners offers to Marin Home

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Gardeners. Please take advantage of

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these by accessing them on the age

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friendly Ross website. We've already

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heard about the St. Anselm rebuild of

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its bell tower. So, finally, the

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citizens advisory committee presents

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recommendations on town facilities.

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Tonight, the council will receive the

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committee's recommendations on our

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nearly 100-year-old town facilities. We

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thank the eight dedicated and talented

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members for working nearly non-stop

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since midFebruary to help address these

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complex issues. Jeff Cune, Dan Weiny,

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Bob Herps, Ed Dong, Bill Poland, Jeff

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Kovick, Tom Gaffne, and Joey Buckingham.

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And they're all here tonight. And thank

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you so much for all your work.

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I am hopeful that the committee's close

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collaboration and stunning vision will

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allow the town to turn the corner on

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these issues and bring residents

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together in support of our community,

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town staff,

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Ross police, and the Ross Valley

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paramedics.

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Thank you.

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Next is council committee and liaison

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reports. any reports?

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>> So, the um the Ross Valley Paramedic

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Board met and um as you know, the the

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board has been looking into um making

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writing up guidelines with the help of

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their lawyer um Ben's wife uh to um

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establish uh procedures for how the the

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JPA works. The current guidelines date

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from 40 years ago and consist of only

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two pages and are very sketchy. Um the

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proposed guidelines will be brought to

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each council uh for consideration and

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approval. uh one is since there are a

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number of different uh elements um uh if

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you I suppose the most important are the

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process of amending the agreement and

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the process of terminating the agreement

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because this is a contract between eight

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entities you know agencies um those have

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to be unanimous decisions but the count

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the board itself can decide whether a

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vote to discuss an amendment with the

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agencies can be a threequarters vote or

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a twothirds vote of the board or a

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unanimous vote. And when it comes to our

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uh council to discuss um that's one of

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the things that I'll suggest we take a

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look at. Um for example, it should if if

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a majority of the council wants to

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consider an amen majority of the board

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wants to consider an amendment, is that

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enough for it to go out to the agency so

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that each agency discusses it? Um so

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that will be probably at our next

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meeting because they're hoping to have

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this done um uh fairly soon. Uh, one

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thing that was not discussed was uh the

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lease and just at you know an hour ago

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there was um information in our uh

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packet online that said that the Ross

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Valley Paramedic Authority president is

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either opposed or concerned about the plan that we are about to hear from

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the um citizens advisory committee. Uh,

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and in his email to Julie, he cited a

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number of reasons why he thinks that

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plan does not fit with the lease that

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was agreed to. Again, this was not has

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not been discussed at the paramedic

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authority. And this letter is from a

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single board member who may or may not

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have discussed it with his agency,

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Sleepy Hollow, but it hasn't been

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discussed with the board or with the

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board's agencies. So, I just wanted to

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mention that that though there's that

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letter in that was just added to the

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packet that was not a topic at the most

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recent paramedic authority meeting.

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>> Anybody else?

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>> Matt. So I serve as an alternate for

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Marin Clean Energy MCE and I don't know

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if Bill has any comments but I wanted to

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share that there's been s you know

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serious problems at MCE that have been

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covered in the Marin J thankfully and

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the latest is a misappropriation of

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$60,000

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of MCE's funds into the CEO's personal

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salary from 2024 that was discovered.

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So, I just wanted to make sure that the

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council's aware of of the that the

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problems continue at MCE. They they have

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not been abated and um I think we should

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all be, you know, we're part of this JPA

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and all of our towns people are opted in

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automatically. So, we should just keep

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apprised of of the issues there and

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hopefully uh obviously Bill's

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representing us, but the the reforms

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hopefully will be coming. and if he has

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anything to add as well.

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I This is an issue that um is one that

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um

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I I I'm sorry I I can't really I can't

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really go into it because I can't

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divulge certain information that at this

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point is confidential but will probably

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become public. But I think we can verify

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that this amount of money went into

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it was it was for a a pension

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contribution, wasn't it? No, I'm sorry.

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It wasn't the pension contribution. It

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was it was something else and uh

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something was not correctly calculated.

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Exactly. Who was uh responsible for

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that? I think it remains to be

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determined.

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I just wanted to share that on Sunday at

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the Marin Civic Center, I attended the

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youth town hall and participated as a

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panel with the 10 other mayors from

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Marin County. Um, and it was very

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enlightening. um partly because the

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students asked us lots of detailed,

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thoughtful, forward-looking questions.

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And it was also really illuminating to

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hear from each of the other mayors their

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background and their passion and why

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they are serving um their towns. So, I'm

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going to pass around a little thank you

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note that they gave me. I also got a

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brownie, but I ate it.

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All right. Staff and community reports.

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Um, anyone here from RPOA?

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Mr. Cooblick.

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» Yes. Uh, I'm Jeff Cooblick. I'm the

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president of the Ross Property Owners

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Association. And first of all, would

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like to thank the town council and our

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town manager, Christa, and all of you

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who are members who have contributed to

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the RPOA. Without your funding, we

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wouldn't in support uh we wouldn't be

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able to do the activities that we do. Uh

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quick recap, we had a terrific uh spring

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fling at the Ross School uh just a few

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weeks ago. About 300 people attended.

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They had an Easter egg hunt and they had

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lots of jumpy toys and the kids all had

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a lot of fun. So, we were happy to help

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sponsor that through the Ross Auxiliary.

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Uh some of you may have attended the

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live on the commons which was uh very

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well attended almost 2,000 people and we

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want to thank the town for your support

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on that project. It was a little bit

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more than we expected. We're going to

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try and tone it down in the future in

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terms of our promotion so we don't have

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quite as many people so it's not a issue

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for the town. Um our biggest project

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right now is we're replacing the

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50-year-old fluorescent lights in the

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post office and with some beautiful

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hanging antique pendant lights uh to try

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and match some of the other town

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historic town properties and I think

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you'll see a huge improvement in that.

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We have the the pendant lights in. They

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cost $1,200 each. Uh they're really

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beautiful. And uh we've got the

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electricians lined up with Richard's

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help and Anony's help. And we uh we're

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just waiting for some other parts. And

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you should see some activity there in

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the next certainly next few weeks, next

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month. So that's about the update for

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now.

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>> Thank you, Jeff.

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T Manager Johnson.

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Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Um we are

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starting to see uh the impact of the of

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the war um with higher oil prices are um

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negatively impacting bids on recent

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paving projects. We're also spending

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more on gas for police patrol cars and

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the Ross Valley Fire Department is

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spending more to fuel its engines. Um

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but in more positive news, um staff

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learned that after a few days related to

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birds that the new pedestrian bridges in

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Natalie Coffen Green Park should be

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installed by summertime. So that'll be,

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I'm sure, well received by folks that

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use them and um a lot of our our um

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recreation programs that that utilize

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that area. The Sir Francis Drake paving

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project between Bolinus Avenue and El

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Camino Bueno is scheduled to start after

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Ross School gets out for the summer and

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it will require one lane traffic control

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for approximately two weeks. So, please

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mark your calendars and plan

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accordingly,

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maybe to be out of town.

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Um, I'm happy to report that our new

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building inspector 2, Matt Taya, starts

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on May 18th. It's taken a full year to

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recruit for that position. So, we're

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really excited to uh welcome him um onto

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the team. Uh the Marin County Flood

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Control District is holding two upcoming

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community meetings to discuss the future

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of flood control efforts in Ross Valley

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along the Cord Madera Creek. The first

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will be held on Thursday, May 7th, 6:30

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p.m. to 8:30 p p.m. at Marin Catholic.

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And on Wednesday, May 20th, same time,

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6:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., it will be held

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here at Magic. And finally, I'd like to

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say that it has been a pleasure to work

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with our talented Chief Pota over these

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past 4 and a half years. in behalf of

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the entire town uh staff team, you will

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be missed and we wish you the very best

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in your well-deserved retirement.

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Thank you. Number 10, consent agenda,

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which is um we have removed item C from

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the consent agenda. So, it's A, B, D, E,

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F, G. Um does any member of the public

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wish to remove an item from the consent

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agenda?

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Anybody online?

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>> No one online. Mayor,

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>> any council member? Matt,

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>> I'd like to remove 10G.

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>> 10G, which is the fiscal year 2526,

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third quarter, 9month financial summary

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report. Okay. Um, could I please have a

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motion to approve consent agenda items

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A, B, D, E, and F?

544
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,640
>> So moved.

545
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,789
>> Second.

546
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:36,400
Council member Dalling,

547
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,279
>> yes.

548
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:39,120
>> Council member Kercher,

549
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:40,000
>> I.

550
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,279
>> Council member Salter,

551
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:42,400
>> I.

552
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,000
>> Mayor Prom Robbins,

553
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:44,799
>> I.

554
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:46,240
>> Mayor McKelen,

555
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:47,679
>> yes. Thank you.

556
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:49,120
>> Motion passes unanimously.

557
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:58,390
>> Thank you. Um, Matt, you ped item 10g.

558
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,600
» Sorry. I don't know if you want to

559
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,520
present anything from the quarter. Um I for for me I I I I I just want to

560
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,400
point out that we have yet again almost

561
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,080
a million dollar positive variance. So I

562
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,400
believe last year we ended the year with

563
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,679
1.4 million surplus. Right now as of

564
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:19,679
nine months into this next fiscal year

565
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,400
it's almost a million dollar surplus. So

566
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,320
I I read the caveats. I know that those

567
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,200
variances are moved from time to time,

568
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,120
but I I just I think it's important we

569
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,400
let the town know number one that you're

570
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,480
doing an excellent job managing the

571
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,760
budget and that we consistently are in

572
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,840
surplus since I've been on this council

573
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840
and I'm sure the longer tenur council

574
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,000
members can. But when we talk about

575
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,640
costs and and budgets, etc., It's nice

576
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,640
to see that the actual performance as we

577
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,799
review it is showing very positive

578
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:57,350
surpluses of substantial amounts.

579
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,399
» Christa, do you want to make any

580
00:27:58,399 --> 00:27:59,919
comments or no?

581
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:00,399
>> No.

582
00:28:00,399 --> 00:28:02,480
>> Thank you for your kind words.

583
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,679
>> Yeah.

584
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:06,640
>> Any discussion? Any public comment on

585
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,679
this item?

586
00:28:07,679 --> 00:28:09,919
>> Just just one from from the the

587
00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:12,000
discussion point of view for us. I think

588
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,080
what we should try to I know we we're

589
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,600
trying to meet as a finance committee

590
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,919
but review this in the audit just as a

591
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:20,080
normal part of before it has to get to

592
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,240
the council and I see a lot of times we

593
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,480
put these items on consent but they're

594
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,919
very important. I think they're one of

595
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:27,760
the most important things we review is

596
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,679
the financials. I think we're so

597
00:28:29,679 --> 00:28:31,279
fortunate because we're always in

598
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,520
surplus and doing so well, but we should

599
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760
try to for me I think it'd be nice not

600
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,520
to be on consent and spend a little time

601
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,279
talking about the financial picture

602
00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,440
outside of just the budget workshop.

603
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,320
Thanks.

604
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,919
>> Any online public comment?

605
00:28:47,919 --> 00:28:48,960
>> No raised hands, mayor.

606
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,200
>> Okay. So, we'll bring it back and any

607
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,520
further discussion.

608
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,440
Could we please have a motion to approve

609
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,960
item 10G?

610
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:00,399
So moved.

611
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:04,710
>> I'll second.

612
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,240
» Council member Dalling.

613
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:07,120
>> Yes.

614
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:08,960
>> Council member Kercher.

615
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,679
>> I.

616
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:10,960
>> Council member Salter.

617
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,760
>> I.

618
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,360
>> Mayor Prom Robbins.

619
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,000
>> I.

620
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:14,960
>> Mayor McKelen.

621
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,080
>> Yes.

622
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,520
>> Passes 50.

623
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,919
>> Thank you. That's the end of the consent

624
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,480
agenda. So now we're moving on to public

625
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:27,120
hearing on planning projects part one.

626
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,679
A is the town council to consider 12

627
00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:31,919
Garden Road demolition permit and

628
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:35,200
adoption of resolution number 2621

629
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,200
approving the project subject to

630
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,520
conditions. Robera,

631
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,559
>> good evening mayor and council members.

632
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:47,029
So this item

633
00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,320
» Oh, are you gonna

634
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,200
>> I have to recuse myself from this item

635
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,720
because I'm within the 500 ft of the

636
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,830
project.

637
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:07,029
Thank you, Council Member Selter.

638
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,720
Okay. Good evening, Mayor and Council

639
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,600
members. This item is a request for

640
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320
approval of an afterthe-ffect demolition

641
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,000
permit at 12 Garden. On February 10th,

642
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,279
2026, town staff issued a stop work

643
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,919
order upon discovery that the existing

644
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,320
single family residence had been

645
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,360
demolished. This did happen because the

646
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,799
contractor found extensive uh wood rot

647
00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:37,200
on the structure. Um on April 4th, 2024,

648
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,360
so about two years ago, the council did

649
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640
approve a project for this residence. It

650
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,880
was a remodel and expansion of the

651
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,120
existing single family residence,

652
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,240
including a second story addition and an

653
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,840
attached rent restricted ADU. There are

654
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,080
no changes to the previously approved

655
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,840
project. Um, and this is before you

656
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,080
tonight because the demolition permit

657
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,080
wasn't requested or approved in 2024.

658
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,919
And based on the zoning code, um, a

659
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:12,799
demolition permit is required

660
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,559
to be approved by the Ross Town Council

661
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:19,039
for the demolition of any dwelling in

662
00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,520
the town. So tonight, the action before

663
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,080
the council is to consider approval of

664
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,320
the demolition permit subject to

665
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,360
findings and conditions as outlined in

666
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,080
your resolution. staff is available to

667
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,320
answer any questions and the applicant

668
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,399
is also present as well for any

669
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:39,200
questions. Thank you.

670
00:31:39,200 --> 00:32:06,230
>> Question

671
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:11,120
I move we approve resolution 2621.

672
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,149
>> Second.

673
00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:17,840
» Council member Deli.

674
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,480
>> Yes.

675
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:19,600
>> Council member Kercher.

676
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:20,480
>> Hi.

677
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,559
>> Council member Robin or Mayor Sam

678
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:24,240
Robbins.

679
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,039
>> Yes.

680
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,880
>> Mayor McKillen.

681
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:40,549
Motion passes 401.

682
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,039
Mayor, should we wait for Council Member

683
00:32:43,039 --> 00:33:16,070
Salter to return? You're welcome.

684
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,840
Okay, Matt, we almost started without

685
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,519
you, but our new town clerk reminded me

686
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,640
that we needed to get So, we're going on

687
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,760
to item 11B. Town council to consider

688
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,320
230 Wellington Avenue design review,

689
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,880
demolition permit, hillside lot permit,

690
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,960
nonconformity permit, variance, and

691
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,159
adoption of resolution number 2622

692
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:40,080
approving the project subject to

693
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,039
conditions. Robera, good evening, mayor

694
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:45,440
and council members. The item before you

695
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,240
this evening is the application for 230

696
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,279
Wellington Avenue, which requests town

697
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,919
council approval of several

698
00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,080
discretionary planning entitlements

699
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,320
associated with a residential

700
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,559
development project. The applicant

701
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:03,679
proposes to demolish the existing single

702
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:06,399
family residence and construct a new

703
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:08,560
two-story single family home with an

704
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,839
ADU. The application includes requests

705
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:15,440
for design review, a demolition permit,

706
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,480
a nonconformity permit, a hillside lot

707
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,960
permit, and a variance. Each of these

708
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,440
approvals require specific findings

709
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,359
which are included in detail in your

710
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:27,919
resolution. The proposed residence

711
00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:31,280
features materials including a standing

712
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,560
sea metal roof, light beige hardy laps

713
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,079
siding, vertical cedar accents, black

714
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,119
aluminum windows and exterior doors, and

715
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,560
a bronze metal fascia along the roof

716
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,879
line. The project also includes a

717
00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:49,520
detached twocar garage and a parking pad

718
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,679
at the front of the lot, as well as a

719
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,399
trash enclosure located adjacent to the

720
00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:57,440
garage. The outside living space

721
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,200
consists of a patio, trellis, and then a

722
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,920
swimming pool and landscaping. There's

723
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,119
also a second story deck off the primary

724
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,520
bedroom that wraps around the north and

725
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,960
west sides of the room and has uh glass

726
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,760
guard rails. So, the project was

727
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,920
reviewed by planning staff for zoning

728
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,880
consistency. And then the advisory

729
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,599
design review group reviewed the project

730
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:26,640
three times last year. And during their

731
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,480
last meeting last month in March for

732
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,960
consistency with the town's uh design

733
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:37,440
review guidelines, they considered um

734
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,760
key considerations included neighborhood

735
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,720
compatibility, building mass and scale,

736
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,400
and then privacy for adjacent

737
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,880
properties. And based on this, staff

738
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,680
drafted the required findings for all

739
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,839
requested entitlements subject to

740
00:35:51,839 --> 00:35:54,079
conditional approval. The project

741
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:56,400
qualifies for a SQA exemption as

742
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,240
identified in the staff report. The

743
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:59,920
demolition and reconstruction of a

744
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,560
single family residence would not result

745
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,720
in any significant environmental

746
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:07,440
impacts. And so in conclusion, staff

747
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
recommends that the council consider the

748
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,119
approval of design review, the

749
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:16,480
demolition permit, nonconformity permit,

750
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,359
hillside lot permit, and variance, adopt

751
00:36:19,359 --> 00:36:21,119
the resolution making the required

752
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:23,040
findings, and approve the project

753
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,520
subject to conditions. That concludes my

754
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,760
presentation, and I'm happy to answer

755
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,839
any questions, and the applicant is also

756
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:32,079
here for any questions the council might

757
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:33,440
have.

758
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,680
>> Questions?

759
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,440
Yes, Elizabeth. Um there was a similar

760
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,400
um elevated or you know parking pad

761
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,320
built on a hillside on Upper Toy. Um did

762
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,000
that one uh also uh request a variance

763
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,440
for additional F?

764
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,640
>> Um that one I don't think requested F

765
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,040
variance. They ex they requested a

766
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,359
variance for the location

767
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:05,200
because the parking pad was within the

768
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,960
setbacks.

769
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,000
In this case, the variance is for the

770
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,079
twocar garage.

771
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,920
Um and then the setbacks

772
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,599
and

773
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,240
the part the ele the the parking that's

774
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:23,599
on the that's elevated that's the pad or

775
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:25,680
that's the garage.

776
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,160
So the way the topography of the lot

777
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040
sits, it would actually meet the front

778
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,240
of the road on Wellington, but the lot

779
00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:37,680
slopes down.

780
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,800
>> So you will see um

781
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,200
see it elevated, I suppose, from the

782
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,119
home, not necessarily from the street.

783
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,760
>> And is the garage being rebuilt in the

784
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,240
same location or is that being is that

785
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:55,119
what's being built on the stilts?

786
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,680
It will be elevated. It's

787
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:58,079
>> okay.

788
00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:59,920
>> Roughly in the same location, but what's

789
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,760
there now is a carport. And this would

790
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,240
be a twocar closed garage.

791
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:08,870
>> Okay.

792
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,920
» Motion.

793
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:12,960
>> No, no, no, not yet. I um Is there a

794
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,000
president to allow 520 extra square feet

795
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,720
per the hillside lot ordinance on a

796
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:20,640
project like this? Could Could you help

797
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,510
us defend that?

798
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,680
I'm trying to think of when F has been

799
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,320
granted. I know there was one I believe

800
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,079
on Allen and they had an entry

801
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,800
that um required

802
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,040
going upstairs and so they were allowed

803
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,640
F so that their entryway could be made

804
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:49,200
safer. I suppose in this case,

805
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,280
uh, they are looking for that variance

806
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,320
because the parking on Wellington is so

807
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,040
constrained. Um, also the way the

808
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,240
topography of the lot is sitting, um,

809
00:39:00,240 --> 00:39:02,960
they're really wanting to absorb the

810
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,560
parking that they would need and not

811
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,400
have it on the street.

812
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,200
So the the the garage in essence, which

813
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,000
is the extra square feet, is helping to

814
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,200
move cars off the private road and

815
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,880
making the access safer for emergency

816
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,000
vehicles.

817
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,040
>> That's correct. And the ADR did discuss

818
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,119
this and reviewed it and came to the

819
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,440
conclusion that they would support the

820
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,280
garage for those reasons.

821
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,240
>> Okay. Thank you. Um any public comment

822
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:34,640
on this item,

823
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,680
>> Julie? Oh, sorry, Bill.

824
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,760
>> Just just so I understand, there there

825
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,640
is a carport there now, correct? And the

826
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,560
garage will replace essentially replace

827
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,359
the carport. Is the garage larger than

828
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:48,960
the carport was?

829
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,280
>> Yes.

830
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,640
>> By how much?

831
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,200
>> Um, the carport is a onecar garage, so

832
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,839
it might be maybe about 200 square feet.

833
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:58,880
And the garage would be for two cars and

834
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,560
some storage, so it's 520 square feet.

835
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:02,880
Okay.

836
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,150
>> Thank you.

837
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,920
Public comment on this item.

838
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Anybody online?

839
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,040
>> No one online. Mayor,

840
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:14,400
>> thank you. Does the applicant wish to

841
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,839
make a statement or the applicant's

842
00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:18,480
architect?

843
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,320
Thank you. All right, we'll bring it

844
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,400
back for discussion. Any discussion or a

845
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,839
motion? Matt,

846
00:40:23,839 --> 00:40:26,079
>> I I just wanted to say we we looked at

847
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,160
the hillside lot or ordinance is very

848
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,560
tricky for us, but I think the other

849
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:32,079
ones we looked at whenever we were

850
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,800
trying to take parking off the street

851
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,160
and leave the access for for cars, we

852
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,960
seem to all agree that's a really worthy

853
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,800
goal and I support that for this reason.

854
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,119
And the as as we keep seeing like even

855
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:48,960
emails that we're getting about when

856
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,280
there's rain and the stuff that falls on

857
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:52,880
the roads like trying to keep the roads

858
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,240
clear should be a goal and if this

859
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:57,920
continues to come up I hope I know

860
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,079
you've been keeping a list of like

861
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,400
reforms but it might be one we think

862
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,319
about in terms of like trying to add

863
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:05,839
something to the hillside lot that if

864
00:41:05,839 --> 00:41:08,480
it's a a parking situation that we sort

865
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,720
of want to try to keep the roads as

866
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:12,240
clear as possible and there's some

867
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:13,920
exception for that as opposed to it

868
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,839
always having to be a variance if that's

869
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:17,359
if we all agree on that. I just wanted

870
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:20,560
to throw that out there.

871
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,480
>> Any other discussion, Bill?

872
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,160
>> Yeah, just following up on what Matt

873
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,560
said. I'm I I have the same inclination

874
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,839
if it's a parking issue and keeping cars

875
00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:31,760
off the street, which is a safety

876
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,160
measure really and particularly for a

877
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,640
very difficult street like Wellington. I

878
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,880
mean, that is challenging just to drive

879
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,800
up, let alone uh well, walk up or find a

880
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,000
place to park. So, um, I I think this is

881
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,040
okay. Most of the increase is a garage

882
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,520
that's in place of a structure that's

883
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,200
there, but doesn't count, as I

884
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,720
understand it, towards the square

885
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,440
footage, a carport. And I think there

886
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,119
are a few other things, some a deck and

887
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,200
so forth. But it's not as if the

888
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,599
resident is building some huge mansion

889
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,760
that we're concerned about in the hills.

890
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,240
That that is not happening here. So, I I

891
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:11,520
would support this project.

892
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,680
>> Mayor, I'm so sorry. We have a couple

893
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,200
hands up, but that could wait until

894
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,400
after your comments.

895
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,079
>> Yes.

896
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,000
>> Um, I think we already closed the public

897
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,829
comment period.

898
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:28,079
» I think I did, but I'll be nice. Go

899
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:29,839
ahead.

900
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:35,109
>> Uh, Charlie, you could go ahead.

901
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:40,630
» Charlie, you're on mute.

902
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,960
» Leo, can you hear me?

903
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,800
Yes, we can hear you.

904
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,760
>> Um, so my only comment would be that I

905
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,079
would want to make sure that the it is

906
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:53,280
used as a garage and that it's not at

907
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,440
some point converted to an exercise room

908
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,240
or every anything. So, if you could put

909
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:03,270
that stipulation in.

910
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:04,880
» Charlie, can we get your first and last

911
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:05,599
name, please?

912
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:11,990
>> Charles Goodman.

913
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,560
Thank you, Charlie. Anybody else online?

914
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:22,950
>> It's uh Carla Buchanan.

915
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,040
» Hi there.

916
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,240
Can you hear me?

917
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:27,359
>> Yeah. Hi, Carla.

918
00:43:27,359 --> 00:43:31,119
>> Hi. Um, so I'm a neighbor uh at 210

919
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:33,760
Wellington. And I just wanted to add

920
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,119
that the other two neighbors, three

921
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,680
actually, are all very much in favor of

922
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,720
the garage that's planned and the

923
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:45,760
demolition of the um the garage that's

924
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,440
there that is quite rickety and pretty

925
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,680
much an eyesore that blocks the view.

926
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,440
And as you're all pointing out, the

927
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,440
parking situation and especially for

928
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,599
emergency vehicles is really really

929
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,079
difficult on this culde-sac. So the

930
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,720
garage that um the barriers are

931
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,800
proposing would be a huge improvement

932
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,430
and frankly a relief as well.

933
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,240
Thank you, Carla.

934
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,720
All right. Um I assume the applicant

935
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,960
still has nothing that they want to add.

936
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,800
Okay. Thank you. Um any further

937
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,560
discussion?

938
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,680
I is it possible to add a um restriction

939
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,920
or a provision that the garage be used

940
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,280
for um storing car vehicles?

941
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,880
>> Um

942
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,520
there would be no way to check up on

943
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,920
that or enforce that if someone say

944
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,839
wanted to use storage or maybe they just

945
00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:41,839
used it for one car. Um what I will say

946
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,200
is included in what they're proposing is

947
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,079
a twocar garage and a parking pad. So,

948
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,640
there is always going to be a space for

949
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,079
a driveway for them to park there. And

950
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,240
um hopefully they'll use the two-car

951
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,319
garage. I think they will. There's no

952
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:00,079
reason why they wouldn't, but we

953
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,119
wouldn't be able to, you know, limit

954
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,319
that use for parking only. We can't uh

955
00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:07,520
make them park there.

956
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,599
>> But we could have it as a provision even

957
00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,760
though we can't realistically enforce

958
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,319
it. Is that correct?

959
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:20,309
Um, Ben, what would the provision say?

960
00:45:20,319 --> 00:45:26,230
» Oh,

961
00:45:26,240 --> 00:45:28,480
I think right now we have a condition of

962
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,720
approval that incorporates their design

963
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:32,560
which says it's a garage. So, the

964
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,839
condition of approval already requires

965
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,160
it to be a garage. So, if they violate

966
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:37,599
that condition, you can already bring an

967
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:38,720
enforcement action if they're not using

968
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,720
it for a garage purpose. The reason why

969
00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:42,720
you can't have a direct uh condition of

970
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:44,160
approval saying you know you have to

971
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,079
park there all the time. There might be

972
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,319
instances where you um you know

973
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,160
different if in the future they want to

974
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,000
build an ADU or something similar to

975
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,760
that. There's certain state laws that

976
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,920
would not we would be unable to enforce

977
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:03,510
that condition of approval.

978
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,319
I'd like to make a motion uh that we

979
00:46:06,319 --> 00:46:09,200
adopt resolution number 2622 approving

980
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:14,309
the project.

981
00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:19,589
» Second.

982
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,359
» Council member Deli.

983
00:46:21,359 --> 00:46:22,160
>> Yes.

984
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,200
>> Council member Kercher.

985
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:23,839
>> Hi.

986
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:25,359
>> Council member Salter.

987
00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:25,760
>> I.

988
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,520
>> Mayor Prom Robbins.

989
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:28,079
>> I.

990
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,040
>> Mayor McKillan.

991
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,880
>> Yes. Motion passes 5-0.

992
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,870
>> Thank you.

993
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,800
» Item number We're moving to the

994
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:41,040
administrative agenda now. Item number

995
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,359
12, town council to receive a

996
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,839
presentation from the citizens advisory

997
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:47,920
committee regarding revising the

998
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000
facility master plan and provide

999
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,480
direction to staff regarding information

1000
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,720
council needs to proceed with

1001
00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:57,200
considering any amendments to the

1002
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,870
facility master plan.

1003
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:05,829
Christa, are you kicking this off?

1004
00:47:05,839 --> 00:47:09,920
» This is um a uh this is not coming from

1005
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,720
staff. This is from our um citizens

1006
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:14,720
group, a citizens advisory group.

1007
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:15,119
>> Okay.

1008
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:17,359
>> And um

1009
00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:19,119
>> okay, we're going to take a fivem minute

1010
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:20,800
break then and we'll resume at 5 minutes

1011
00:47:20,800 --> 00:51:59,430
to 7. Thank you.

1012
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:55,750
University.

1013
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:14,309
Sounds very

1014
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:40,950
It's amazing.

1015
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:59,430
Yes.

1016
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,480
Okay, we are ready to resume with item

1017
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,839
number 12 on our administrative agenda.

1018
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:30,549
Jeff and Dan

1019
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:33,359
Um, so I will read it

1020
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:36,480
um out loud and then uh you can ask

1021
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,400
questions. I think all of you have hard

1022
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,960
copies up there. Good.

1023
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,920
So since we got approval to form this

1024
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,200
committee in early February I think it

1025
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,520
was so you know call it two plus months

1026
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:57,839
ago. Um we've met at least a dozen times

1027
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,400
and have worked on all kinds of stuff

1028
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,119
here. Everything from finance to

1029
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:06,800
architecture to I mean you name it. Um

1030
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,800
and this group has been great. There are

1031
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,839
eight names here. you should know. Um,

1032
00:55:11,839 --> 00:55:16,720
and they meet all kinds of uh, I don't

1033
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,599
know, backgrounds and skills.

1034
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,520
So, there are eight of us who in this

1035
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,280
committee who have a combined um, 300

1036
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,960
years of professional experience in

1037
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,640
finance and real estate design,

1038
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,440
construction and development.

1039
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,760
Our project design is prepared for us by

1040
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,319
Dan Weiny of worldrenowned architecture

1041
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:38,800
firm Gendler Associates. This is Mr.

1042
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,640
whiney.

1043
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,559
The committee has been meeting twice

1044
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:44,319
weekly for over two months to develop

1045
00:55:44,319 --> 00:55:48,160
and refine a plan and this has included

1046
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,480
a deep dive into the town's existing

1047
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,200
town center master plan in order to

1048
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,079
ensure our plan meets all the

1049
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,079
programmatic needs identified by the

1050
00:55:58,079 --> 00:55:59,760
town.

1051
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,520
Additional areas of research and

1052
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:03,680
analysis have included bond issuance,

1053
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,760
ESA compliance,

1054
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,839
historic preservation, emergency

1055
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:10,880
services and procedures.

1056
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,119
Should the town vote to accept our plan,

1057
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:15,040
the ad hoc committee is prepared to

1058
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,520
assist

1059
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,839
town council and staff in a full

1060
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:22,160
implementation of the plan all the way

1061
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,480
from public advocacy of a bond finance

1062
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,640
measure to final completion of project

1063
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,040
construction.

1064
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,680
The committee was purposely comprised of

1065
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,520
community members both for and against

1066
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,799
the closure of the Ross firehouse.

1067
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:40,160
We have unanimously coalesed around the

1068
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,640
Gendler plan which preserves our

1069
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,040
historic town architecture in a

1070
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,119
cost-effective and environmentally

1071
00:56:47,119 --> 00:56:49,760
sensitive manner while providing

1072
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,839
sufficient space to t to house all town

1073
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:55,920
administrative and public safety needs

1074
00:56:55,920 --> 00:57:00,470
including police, paramedic and fire.

1075
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,480
Excuse me. The ad hoc committee strongly

1076
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,160
recommends that the town council adopt

1077
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,319
our plan as a new town center facilities

1078
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:10,160
master plan and hires an architectural

1079
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:13,359
engineering firm ASAP to start

1080
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:15,839
implementing this plan with a goal of

1081
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,480
placing the project finance bond measure

1082
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:22,400
on the November 26 ballot.

1083
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,599
We don't have much time.

1084
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:30,160
So, I'm gonna turn it over now to to

1085
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:30,880
Dan. And

1086
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,319
>> so, Joey Joey and I are going to present

1087
00:57:34,319 --> 00:57:36,000
you

1088
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,240
son. So, Joey and I are going to present

1089
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:42,000
some ideas to you today. Um, but just

1090
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,799
maybe a couple of opening comments. When

1091
00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:47,200
I was first asked to be on this

1092
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,920
committee, I was a little bit reticent.

1093
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,480
their passions were flying in the last

1094
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,880
meeting and and I thought, boy, you

1095
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,640
know, what am I going to get into here?

1096
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:00,079
And all I can tell you is that this team

1097
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,680
has really been extraordinary. I've

1098
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:03,680
worked with a lot of people in my life,

1099
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,599
a lot of really smart, talented people,

1100
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:07,440
and this team is one of the best that

1101
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,640
I've been part of. Um, I'm proud to be a

1102
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,839
Ross resident, and it is not a Gensler

1103
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:15,680
plan. I know it says Gensler on there.

1104
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,839
It's our plan. This is something that we

1105
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:20,640
worked on together. So, Uh, with that

1106
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:22,559
said, I think the the last comment is

1107
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,160
that,

1108
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,160
you know, the the buildings that we have

1109
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:27,920
here have been with us for over a

1110
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,720
hundred years, close to a hundred years,

1111
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,119
and they've served us well. And I think

1112
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:35,760
that what we've got to keep in mind

1113
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,680
moving forward, regardless of what we

1114
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,640
do, is that, you know, these buildings,

1115
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,720
whatever we do, has to stand the test of

1116
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,680
time. It's got to be something that yes,

1117
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,280
it meets all the needs that we have

1118
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,760
right now, all the requirements, but it

1119
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,599
also has the ability to change and and

1120
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,119
that's a big task and that's a big

1121
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,839
order. But, you know, I believe firmly

1122
00:58:57,839 --> 00:58:59,680
that's where, you know, we need to take

1123
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,789
it.

1124
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,640
» Thank you first of all for your time

1125
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,880
tonight and for all of the time that

1126
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:09,520
you've poured into this subject and this

1127
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,000
issue. It's we're all here for the same

1128
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:15,440
reason. We all love this town and as Dan

1129
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:17,520
said, we worked very well together to

1130
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,400
come up with this design that meets a

1131
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,040
lot of needs and it preserves

1132
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,640
optionality

1133
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,839
for us going forward. Uh our goal was to

1134
00:59:27,839 --> 00:59:29,920
design and construct a facility that is

1135
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,960
agile, adaptable, and will serve

1136
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,760
changing needs over time. I think it's

1137
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,839
really important to consider this a

1138
00:59:37,839 --> 00:59:40,720
legacy that we leave behind for the next

1139
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,079
generation. We've certainly used these

1140
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,359
facilities quite well over many decades

1141
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:51,520
and it's time to renew and create

1142
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,839
something for the next generation. Um,

1143
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:56,079
and now I will hand it over to Dan

1144
00:59:56,079 --> 00:59:58,559
because obviously he did all the design.

1145
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:00,079
>> Oh no, that's not true. All

1146
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:01,839
>> right, he's the brains behind this.

1147
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:03,839
>> All a good architect does is take great

1148
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:05,520
ideas and put them together and

1149
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,040
conceptualize them. And that's really

1150
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,280
what this is all about. So everybody on

1151
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,720
this committee had really unique

1152
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,960
perspectives. We were all passionate

1153
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,880
about what it was that we were trying to

1154
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,000
advocate, but we really built consensus

1155
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,640
around those ideas and ultimately really

1156
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,319
developed a shared vision for this

1157
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:23,520
project. And that's what you're going to

1158
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,400
see today. The vision really needs to

1159
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:28,720
express the the current, you know, the

1160
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,240
expression of the current civic

1161
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,520
buildings, the history of the town, town

1162
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:35,200
hall, the police station, the fire

1163
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,960
station, and the post office. They're

1164
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:39,040
really a composition of buildings and

1165
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:40,640
they can even though they are not

1166
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,839
necessarily seen as one. They all relate

1167
01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:46,160
to one another in a very significant

1168
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:49,839
way. So this is really going to be about

1169
01:00:49,839 --> 01:00:51,760
building something that does become a

1170
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,480
landmark that is historic in nature but

1171
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,079
ultimately serves the needs and

1172
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:58,640
residents of the town and the staff. And

1173
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,240
that I think is one of the most

1174
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:01,839
important things is we want a place that

1175
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:04,079
people want to come to work, want to be

1176
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,880
with us and the kind of facilities that

1177
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,720
we provide for them is critically

1178
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,480
important. And then the last thing is

1179
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,240
that it's got to be a timelessness that

1180
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:15,680
is associated with what we're doing.

1181
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,960
So the guiding principles that led us

1182
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,440
through this journey uh what came out of

1183
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,359
our discussions were principles that we

1184
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,920
all agreed upon and would be used as a

1185
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:27,920
roadmap for any of the ideas we

1186
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:30,559
developed as a group. Our desire was to

1187
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,880
design a facility that would serve the

1188
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:35,839
different constituencies in our town and

1189
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:38,799
become the primary community building

1190
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:41,760
around which the town is organized.

1191
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,920
We wanted a building that expressed our

1192
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,160
history, was environmentally

1193
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,520
sustainable, met the current operational

1194
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,920
requirements of the town, and adaptable,

1195
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,799
and was adaptable to future needs. We

1196
01:01:54,799 --> 01:01:56,240
wanted a building that remained

1197
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,480
operational if there was a major

1198
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,960
emergency event such as fire,

1199
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,640
earthquake, flood, wind, etc. Most

1200
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:06,880
importantly, we were seeking a building

1201
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:10,160
that would utilize the town's resources

1202
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:14,870
in a trustworthy manner.

1203
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,720
» So, I'm going to let you drive, Joey.

1204
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:17,520
Okay.

1205
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,839
>> So, I want to emphasize before we look

1206
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:24,160
at this that this is a conceptual idea.

1207
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,760
This has not been developed in detail.

1208
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,400
Um, we believe that based on the

1209
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,640
analysis that we've all done that it

1210
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,680
will work, but it's not meant to be

1211
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,760
something that is to be approved right

1212
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,599
now. It's not meant to be a pretty

1213
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,079
picture. It's meant to be something that

1214
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:44,160
I think we can all all rally around, but

1215
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:45,520
there's a lot of work that needs to be

1216
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,599
done. So, I think that keep that in

1217
01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,839
mind. This is not we didn't do detailed

1218
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:51,280
planning. We didn't sit down with the

1219
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,200
department heads. We didn't sit down

1220
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:54,880
with staff and go through and that needs

1221
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,880
to be done. That's a really important

1222
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,119
part of the process moving forward. But

1223
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,520
with that said, um we did look at a

1224
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:03,119
number of variables in terms of trying

1225
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:04,960
to figure out exactly what we needed to

1226
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,000
do. One was the nature of the these

1227
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,839
structures. This structure and the other

1228
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:11,599
building is a registered historic

1229
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,160
building. That's critically important.

1230
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,400
The sensitivity of the site, the

1231
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,200
proximity to cordier creek, the amount

1232
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,520
of activity that these buildings get is

1233
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,680
going to be critically important. the

1234
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,280
programmatic and operational

1235
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,680
requirements of the staff is number one

1236
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:30,400
consideration and I think sometimes it

1237
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,880
may be a little bit lost in conversation

1238
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:36,799
but the housing next door has an is an

1239
01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:38,319
important part of this right so let's

1240
01:03:38,319 --> 01:03:41,680
say that the housing becomes a twostory

1241
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,079
buildings and our building is a

1242
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:45,520
one-story building then you have a

1243
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,000
situation in terms of the composition of

1244
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,240
the structures along so Francis Drake

1245
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:52,079
where the housing could actually become

1246
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:54,480
a more prominent infrastructure over the

1247
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,079
town. So I think it's really important

1248
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,400
to think about over the long run how do

1249
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:01,280
we pull all of this together and I it's

1250
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:02,720
also important to understand that the

1251
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,559
variables sometimes are at odds with one

1252
01:04:04,559 --> 01:04:06,640
another right you think you check the

1253
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,079
box over here and you think this is

1254
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:09,200
going to work and then you realize

1255
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,440
something over here doesn't work so

1256
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,680
there inevitably are going to be

1257
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,839
compromises involved and what we're

1258
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:18,960
showing you does involve compromises and

1259
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:22,240
I think any good design does because to

1260
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,440
be able to solve every single problem is

1261
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:28,480
in many cases virtually impossible. So

1262
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,440
the what we came up with was what we're

1263
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,720
calling an adaptive reuse strategy

1264
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,480
and the building we actually came up

1265
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,160
with a name and we're not sure you guys

1266
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,760
like it but you can come up with

1267
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,599
something else. It's a Ross community

1268
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:44,559
and town center which will become this

1269
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,160
has always been our primary civic

1270
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,319
building. This building will become our

1271
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:51,440
primary civic building. The design would

1272
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,839
respect and enhance the original Spanish

1273
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:57,599
clo uh colonial revival style which was

1274
01:04:57,599 --> 01:04:59,599
a very symmetrical design that was done

1275
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:03,280
by John White in 1927.

1276
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:05,599
It will retain as much of the building

1277
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:07,200
as we can. It's going to retain the

1278
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,359
original firetruck bays, the small ones

1279
01:05:09,359 --> 01:05:11,680
in the front that housed the fire trucks

1280
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,160
many years ago, which will become a new

1281
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:16,720
entry. and the existing fire and EMS

1282
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:18,240
bays in the back of the building will

1283
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,720
also be retained. And then we looked at

1284
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:22,319
how would you expand the building. So

1285
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:24,000
we're looking at in if you actually look

1286
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,359
at the building has gone through a

1287
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:27,680
number of expansions over the years.

1288
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,359
Most of them in the back of the building

1289
01:05:29,359 --> 01:05:31,119
when you look at go around the building

1290
01:05:31,119 --> 01:05:33,280
and you can actually see how those

1291
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,599
additions occurred. And then we also

1292
01:05:35,599 --> 01:05:37,680
looked at probably the most significant

1293
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,760
change would be adding a second floor to

1294
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,319
the building.

1295
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:44,400
So the new building's going to preserve

1296
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,440
the integrity and the original compens

1297
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:50,079
uh composition of the existing town hall

1298
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:51,520
and the posttop meaning that

1299
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:52,960
architecturally is going to be in a

1300
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,240
similar style. The town hall building is

1301
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:58,079
going to be renovated and would continue

1302
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:00,319
to play an important role as a community

1303
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:04,720
meeting place. A single single two-story

1304
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,839
building has significant advantages. One

1305
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:11,039
is it greatly reduces site coverage. So

1306
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,440
we have a lot less construction. It

1307
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,559
minimizes disruption to environmentally

1308
01:06:16,559 --> 01:06:18,480
sensitive areas because we have less

1309
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:21,200
work on the site. It provides more open

1310
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,240
space in public access. It allows for

1311
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,559
changes over time, right? Versus a

1312
01:06:26,559 --> 01:06:29,039
single when you do single use,

1313
01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,520
singlestory buildings that are specific

1314
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:34,400
to a function, you automatically in many

1315
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,640
ways constrain what those buildings can

1316
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,640
do over the long run. And that's an

1317
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,799
important consideration. And I think the

1318
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:43,440
last thing is that uh we all know based

1319
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,319
on all the residential work that we do

1320
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:49,599
in town that going up is a lot less

1321
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:51,760
expensive than going out. Adding

1322
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,440
additional space above a garage or a

1323
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,440
second floor to a home is a lot less

1324
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:57,200
expensive than doing multiple buildings

1325
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,280
because you're using essentially the

1326
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,359
same structural systems, some of the

1327
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:03,280
same mechanical electrical systems. So

1328
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,039
it's much more efficient overall.

1329
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:09,680
So the intent is that the building

1330
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,760
becomes more open to the community and a

1331
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,119
meeting place. The main facade and the

1332
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,359
original truck bays, this is a very the

1333
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:19,440
very original truck bays, will be

1334
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,520
retained and renovated to become a main

1335
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,079
entry. The floor level of the old bays,

1336
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:25,760
as you know, it's a lower floor level

1337
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,839
because it's that grade would have to be

1338
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:29,839
raised to the same level of the existing

1339
01:07:29,839 --> 01:07:32,799
police station. Handicap access would be

1340
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,280
accommodated within landscape design

1341
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,359
with sloped walks, ramps as required. Uh

1342
01:07:39,359 --> 01:07:41,280
the landscaping would be sensitive,

1343
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,680
lowmaintenance, natural landscaping in

1344
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,440
keeping with the original architectural

1345
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,119
intent.

1346
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:48,640
It's interesting if you look at John

1347
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,160
White's um original concept, probably I

1348
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,839
don't think a lot of us necessarily paid

1349
01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:57,119
attention to it, but he actually does a

1350
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:58,799
both in the vertical plane and the

1351
01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:00,960
horizontal plane. He has a beauty to his

1352
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,960
buildings in that from a horizontal

1353
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,920
standpoint they you they step back but

1354
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,319
they also step back but they also have

1355
01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:10,400
different roof planes as well. So this

1356
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,920
play between massing and height is a

1357
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:15,680
very important part of what John has

1358
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,319
done. So what we're trying to do is to

1359
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:20,480
actually tie into that original design

1360
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,960
and that original intent

1361
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,319
the entire project. Oh, we're out of

1362
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:28,880
sync here. We got another one.

1363
01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:29,759
Let's see.

1364
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,600
>> Okay, that's that's okay. I think the

1365
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,759
one thing we can we can go back, Joey.

1366
01:08:33,759 --> 01:08:35,759
That's fine. The the interesting thing

1367
01:08:35,759 --> 01:08:38,159
about doing the project in this manner

1368
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:40,960
is that we can do it all at once, right?

1369
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,120
Instead of phasing it and the cost

1370
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:46,000
associated with phasing it and all the

1371
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,600
disruption of all the town um you know,

1372
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,600
all the facilities and functions and

1373
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,359
everything else, we could potentially

1374
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:56,000
move everybody off site and do this all

1375
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,120
at one time. So, it's envisioned that

1376
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,440
the existing building would be enhanced

1377
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:05,120
to reflect details similar to town hall

1378
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,520
potentially. Do you see here adding arch

1379
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,560
windows with the same details? Uh the

1380
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,480
town center would become a much more

1381
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:14,239
prominent structure. I think it's

1382
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:15,759
important to know that this is just

1383
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:18,719
these are conceptual ideas and it's not

1384
01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:21,279
meant to be a final design. you know,

1385
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:23,120
when we're looking at window openings or

1386
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,759
locations and such, when we actually get

1387
01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:28,640
into the interior planning, the interior

1388
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,400
planning is going to have an impact

1389
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,799
ultimately on the exterior of the

1390
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:35,829
building.

1391
01:09:35,839 --> 01:09:37,759
» Oh, now you got it. We did it again.

1392
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:39,199
That's okay. No, you're good. That's

1393
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:40,799
okay. Go to the next one.

1394
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:43,279
>> So, uh, you may or may not be aware of

1395
01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:45,839
this, but White's original design had

1396
01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:47,679
two courtyards.

1397
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:49,279
There was one for the police station.

1398
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:50,560
There was one on the right and one on

1399
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,960
the left and the offices actually

1400
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,640
surrounded the courtyards. And I'm sure

1401
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,800
what happened was, you know, this was

1402
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,360
done in 1927 and the town's needs

1403
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,000
changed and over time the staff got

1404
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,400
bigger and the town got larger and so

1405
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,520
those courtyards were filled in. So, our

1406
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,440
intent is actually to take those

1407
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:12,239
courtyards or exact same location where

1408
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:14,560
White originally had them, move them to

1409
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,679
the second floor so that we have outdoor

1410
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:20,239
garden space and courtyard so that you

1411
01:10:20,239 --> 01:10:22,320
can see on the right hand side we have

1412
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,320
the office space. The offices would

1413
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,159
actually open out onto the garden and

1414
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,960
the courtyard as well as a creek on the

1415
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,360
other side. So you would have incredible

1416
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,159
natural light for all of the uh all of

1417
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:36,080
the staff and anybody who's actually

1418
01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:39,679
working in the building.

1419
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:42,960
The EMS uh and fire bays in the back of

1420
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,560
the building would be retained and

1421
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,760
renovated to accommodate a fire truck.

1422
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,239
Uh we still have one more bay left over.

1423
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:52,000
So maybe we could use it for emergency

1424
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,320
vehicles. We might be able to use it for

1425
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,000
shop. We might be able to use it for

1426
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,840
additional parking. There's no doubt

1427
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,520
that we'll be able to use that space

1428
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,080
overall. So, there is an option um that

1429
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,480
we've been looking at uh and I think

1430
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:08,159
it's actually included in the estimate

1431
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,080
right now. We could actually raise the

1432
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,000
grade in those buildings. We could

1433
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,080
actually raise it up about a foot. It

1434
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,400
wouldn't bring it above the flood plane,

1435
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,400
but it would help mitigate to some

1436
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,199
extent the the flood issue. What we

1437
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:23,360
would be and again still the building is

1438
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,960
still in the flood plane. There's no

1439
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:27,440
question about that. But we believe that

1440
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:29,760
there are other flood mitigation efforts

1441
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,080
that we could take that would actually

1442
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,320
solve that problem similar to what other

1443
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,679
fire departments have done uh in Marin.

1444
01:11:37,679 --> 01:11:40,000
So I also think the other thing and this

1445
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,239
is sort of a side comment. I I've been

1446
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,640
here for almost well I've been here 40

1447
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,719
years so I've seen 40 plus here. I've

1448
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,239
seen a lot of floods and what's been

1449
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,280
interesting to me is that with all the

1450
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,440
work that we did downstream and the and

1451
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:58,320
the bridge work that we did actually the flooding situation even though from

1452
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:00,640
a weather standpoint may be more severe

1453
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:02,880
seems to be a lot better than it ever

1454
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:04,800
was. So I think a lot of the mitigation

1455
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,390
work has really helped in a big way.

1456
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,239
What's interesting about the the

1457
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:14,159
building is that the original truck bays

1458
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:15,840
are twostory

1459
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,239
and so we need a two-story space to get

1460
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,239
to the second floor. So we can use the

1461
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:24,080
original truck bay areas as a lobby as

1462
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:27,040
potentially a meeting space but also as

1463
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,280
a way to put the elevators and the stair

1464
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:32,320
to the to the second floor. One one

1465
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,520
option that I think we should look at

1466
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,239
would be to potentially frame the

1467
01:12:38,239 --> 01:12:41,040
building as a mass timber structure,

1468
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,840
which means that the second floor office

1469
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,280
space could be it could be very cool. We

1470
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,840
could actually do exposed beams. We

1471
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:52,000
could do slanted ceiling. The amount of

1472
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,560
daylight. It would be a wonderful place

1473
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,360
to work. And from a sustainability

1474
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,440
standpoint would be a terrific way to

1475
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:05,600
go. Uh we also, this is again sort of a a general thought, we should seriously

1476
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,480
look at lead certification,

1477
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:12,239
lead platinum possibly. Uh Joey sent me

1478
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,480
a You guys should look at it.

1479
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:17,760
Athetherton did their town hall uh town

1480
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,120
center. It's quite a bit bigger than

1481
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,360
ours, but it it's similar actually in

1482
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,000
Spanish style. They did a net zero

1483
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:27,520
building, you know. So we maybe we set

1484
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:29,440
the bar high for ourselves and we do a

1485
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,480
net a net zero building. Um but

1486
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:33,840
nonetheless I think from a

1487
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,239
sustainability standpoint you know

1488
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:38,960
looking at these kinds of ideas would be

1489
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,790
terrific.

1490
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:46,239
So this is uh and we we did not have a

1491
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:47,760
detailed site plan. That's one of the

1492
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,000
things we're going to ask you for. So, a

1493
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,199
lot of what we did was based on um

1494
01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:56,000
drawings that we had um information that

1495
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,960
we had, the original building plans, but

1496
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,679
we've retained both of the main entry

1497
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:04,640
and exit points on the site. Uh given

1498
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,480
the reduced site coverage, we have the

1499
01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:09,040
ability to actually So, one of the

1500
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:10,400
question I think is going to come up and

1501
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,000
Joey's going to talk a little bit about

1502
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,480
it is going to be the program, right?

1503
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,679
Does this meet the program or not? Um,

1504
01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:19,920
and we have to keep in mind that this is

1505
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:23,120
not a final, again, a final idea. It's

1506
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:25,760
an idea. It's not a final plan. We do

1507
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:27,600
have the ability to add more space to

1508
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,640
the building. We can go the back uh the

1509
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:32,719
back bays that you can see the roof line

1510
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:34,800
could be extended. We could actually

1511
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,199
make this building extended on the side

1512
01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:39,679
if we needed to. I don't think we will.

1513
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:42,159
I think we have more than enough space.

1514
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:44,159
But we also have enough room on the site

1515
01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:46,320
now that if we wanted to add an

1516
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,480
ancillary building, small building, we

1517
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,440
could. And one of the things um that we

1518
01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:54,080
discussed because we don't have a a a

1519
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,080
real deep understanding of the

1520
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:58,560
programmatic requirements, but one area

1521
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,400
public works has asked for a shop for

1522
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:03,040
instance. Well, you know, a shop

1523
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,400
probably shouldn't be in the main

1524
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:05,920
building. So why not do a small

1525
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,480
ancillary building that has a shop and

1526
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,239
some of the other support facilities?

1527
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,320
And that's actually what we've shown on

1528
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,719
the right hand side is the ability not

1529
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,640
necessarily in that location, but we can

1530
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:23,990
add additional structures if we need to the to the site overall.

1531
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:26,400
» So we are emphasizing again that this is

1532
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,239
a conceptual plan. Um we did not have a

1533
01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:33,120
lot of existing information to go on to

1534
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:35,440
help us with detailed planning. We

1535
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,199
didn't have a survey of the site and we

1536
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:38,640
didn't have drawings of the existing

1537
01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:41,840
buildings. We basically took the square

1538
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,040
footage requirements from concept B and

1539
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,280
added what would be needed for a fire

1540
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,000
capacity and put those together and came

1541
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,400
up with the the allotments for our block

1542
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:57,760
plan. So just again emphasizing that

1543
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:00,000
this is conceptual but that we have

1544
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,480
determined that all of this square

1545
01:16:02,480 --> 01:16:06,800
footage can fit into the plan.

1546
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,080
>> Okay. So you you've seen in the p in the

1547
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,600
package what we showed as our initial um

1548
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,679
oh sorry there you go

1549
01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:16,080
>> stand

1550
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,080
>> okay this yeah here I can actually I

1551
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:19,840
probably should use this laser pointer

1552
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,080
since I've been sitting here on it um

1553
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:25,280
this actually shows you where we have

1554
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,760
added space so there's some infill areas

1555
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,679
in the front but you can see the back of

1556
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:31,920
the building how jagged it is so this

1557
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,760
has gone through a number of additions

1558
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,920
so by actually expanding the building in

1559
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,640
the back in these two areas. We pick up

1560
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,360
area on the first floor and then this

1561
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,719
entire area right here is second floor

1562
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:46,640
space. And as I mentioned, we have the

1563
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:48,719
ability to push this roof line back if

1564
01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:50,880
we need to. And we could even

1565
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,800
potentially push these little wings out

1566
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,480
if we need to, but I don't think we

1567
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,800
will. I think the the bottom line is

1568
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,840
that from programmatic standpoint, what

1569
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,000
we have blocked out right now is about

1570
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,640
2,000 square feet more than what we

1571
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:08,000
need. So the question is will can this

1572
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,159
accommodate a fire operation and the

1573
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:13,440
answer is yes we believe that it can.

1574
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:17,840
Part of what we have to um really refine

1575
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,080
is when you look at the program there

1576
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:22,960
are spaces that have been defined in

1577
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,679
various departments that are somewhat

1578
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:27,600
redundant. Right? know whether we're

1579
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,000
talking about toilet facilities or

1580
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,000
lockers or we're talking about

1581
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,719
potentially a kitchen area or a fitness

1582
01:17:34,719 --> 01:17:36,480
facility and such.

1583
01:17:36,480 --> 01:17:37,679
>> Just Yeah, there you go.

1584
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:39,120
>> No, no, no. Keep going.

1585
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:43,760
>> Okay. Um that these areas um so a lot of

1586
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,440
these things potentially could be

1587
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:48,640
combined. So rather than doing you know

1588
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:50,320
toilet areas here, here and here, why

1589
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,800
not do one space, right? Why not would

1590
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,640
do one space for fitness and one space

1591
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,800
for a kitchen and one space for a living

1592
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,760
room that can be shared across the staff

1593
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,600
and potentially the police and the and

1594
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,669
the fire departments.

1595
01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:11,360
» So I we were we're kind of sharing this part of the presentation. Um if we

1596
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:15,280
decide that a fire station can happen,

1597
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,000
we definitely have room for it. If we

1598
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,800
decide later on that that's not going to

1599
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,440
work, we have space available for other

1600
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:26,800
community needs or desires, uh it has

1601
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,960
been discussed in our group that it

1602
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,800
could be a wonderful gathering space

1603
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,440
with or without a fire station. Uh it

1604
01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:35,920
could be a senior center. I think what's

1605
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,040
really important for us going forward is

1606
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:42,800
to use our imagination and think of all

1607
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,679
that this could just to envision

1608
01:18:45,679 --> 01:18:48,640
everything that this could bring to town

1609
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,040
people. They would have a place to

1610
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:53,360
gather. You know, Dan mentioned the

1611
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,440
Athetherton uh town center. I got an

1612
01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:00,400
email from my son saying that he lives

1613
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,400
right near that and they redeveloped it

1614
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:03,760
beautifully. He said, "You should tell

1615
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,800
them about that tonight that I go study

1616
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:09,679
there. There's a cafe and it's a place

1617
01:19:09,679 --> 01:19:12,320
where people gather." And you think if

1618
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:14,719
we had the affordable housing right

1619
01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:16,800
there, maybe that's a place where those

1620
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,679
folks would come and hang out and it

1621
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:21,760
would bring more of the town together

1622
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,400
than just the high and buy at the post

1623
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,320
office. So, I think we should sort of

1624
01:19:26,320 --> 01:19:29,120
look at this as this grand gesture in

1625
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,080
our town of making a community space

1626
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,709
that has a lot of options.

1627
01:19:36,719 --> 01:19:38,800
Next,

1628
01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:40,239
>> I think that's enough of that.

1629
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:44,080
>> Yep. Okay. So you you guys um have

1630
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:47,199
actually this is in your package and

1631
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:49,040
there are a lot of of different

1632
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:50,880
advantages that we have to this plan

1633
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:52,640
whether we're talking about satisfying

1634
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,120
the master plan requirements or talking

1635
01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,760
about the historic aspect of it or the

1636
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:00,080
environmental aspect of it. There's some

1637
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:04,000
real significant advantages of doing one

1638
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,400
building, an important building, a

1639
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,480
building that basically becomes our our

1640
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:12,080
town center. Um again it's been a

1641
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,239
hundred years this you know the

1642
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:16,560
buildings have served us well but I

1643
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,880
think ultimately we all have a

1644
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,199
responsibility of doing something for

1645
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:22,960
the town. This is going to be part of

1646
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,360
what we leave right there's been a lot

1647
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:27,120
of generations that have been here and

1648
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:28,480
when we're gone there going to be other

1649
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,000
families here and I think it's really

1650
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,400
important that we ultimately leave

1651
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,159
something that we're proud of.

1652
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:39,199
And on that same point, um, one of my

1653
01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:41,840
friends brought up the word stewardship

1654
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:45,679
as a a real key word to think about with

1655
01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:48,800
this move that we might make and to

1656
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,800
imagine that many of us have been

1657
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,120
fortunate to raise our children here and

1658
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,120
have these amenities that we all took

1659
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,159
for granted. The beautiful school, the

1660
01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:01,360
post office, the Rosscom and the town

1661
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,199
hall, the fire station. And it might be

1662
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,600
time to pay that forward and to create

1663
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,040
something beautiful for the next

1664
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,440
generation.

1665
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:14,000
>> Okay. So, now we have I think you guys

1666
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,480
have actually seen the video, but I

1667
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:17,679
think we're going to Jeff, you want to

1668
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:18,320
play the

1669
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:21,280
>> Yeah, why don't we go ahead and play it?

1670
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:23,360
>> Um, maybe while Jeff's getting that

1671
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:26,159
ready, I I maybe have another personal

1672
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:27,920
comment. You guys, we, you know, we

1673
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,920
looked at this building 25 years ago and

1674
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,400
we did when we did that study, the

1675
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,719
criteria was different, the program was

1676
01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:39,040
different. Um, one of the things that we

1677
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:41,040
looked at was to get the entire building

1678
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:42,560
out of the flood plane, which means

1679
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:45,120
meant either demolishing or lifting that

1680
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:46,800
entire building up. And when we did the

1681
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,600
analysis of that building, we recognized

1682
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,679
then way back then that it needed to be

1683
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:53,679
gutted, right? it needed new electrical,

1684
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:56,000
needed new mechanical, it didn't need

1685
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,120
new seismic, that there was a complete

1686
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,679
redo of that building that was required.

1687
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:05,600
Um, my position then

1688
01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,560
um was that we should do a rehab and a

1689
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,000
renovation of that building. That was our recommendation at the time.

1690
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:15,760
This is 2000. Um, and I still feel

1691
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,480
strongly in in that that that is the

1692
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:21,199
right way to go. It it's essentially

1693
01:22:21,199 --> 01:22:23,360
what we're going to end up here with is

1694
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,040
a new building. We're going to have a

1695
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,040
facade that respects what John White

1696
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:31,360
did. We're going to have a building that

1697
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,679
ultimately is one that I believe could

1698
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:36,320
become a center for the entire town. But

1699
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,760
it will in every way be a new building.

1700
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,679
And I think we have to keep that in mind

1701
01:22:41,679 --> 01:22:44,480
that that it isn't it's not just a

1702
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,960
renovation of an existing structure and

1703
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,880
that a lot of things are going to remain

1704
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,800
as it that's not the case. This is going

1705
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:54,480
to require a lot of work and ultimately

1706
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:55,679
we're going to end up with a building

1707
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,600
that in fact will last another hundred

1708
01:22:57,600 --> 01:22:59,920
years.

1709
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:02,239
>> I'm gonna need that. Go.

1710
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:03,520
>> Will you need this?

1711
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:04,080
>> I will.

1712
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,840
>> Oh, there you go.

1713
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,320
>> Okay.

1714
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,719
This is a uh

1715
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,400
this is a YouTube video that uh the

1716
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:18,960
Gendler team put together. Um we've seen

1717
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,040
almost a 100red views of this thing

1718
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:23,280
since we published it two days ago I

1719
01:23:23,280 --> 01:25:35,910
think it was. So,

1720
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,669
I like it.

1721
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:42,950
Okay,

1722
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:46,320
mute this.

1723
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:51,199
One second. So, our agenda tonight

1724
01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:55,840
is introduce you to the conceptual plan.

1725
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,320
want to do a preliminary cost analysis,

1726
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,159
pardon me, and review a timeline and

1727
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:02,800
schedule. We'll get to that shortly.

1728
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:04,960
Review permanent financing for this.

1729
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,520
We've done a lot of homework on that.

1730
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,800
Next steps, an RFP for an architectural

1731
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,360
engineering and consulting services, all

1732
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,679
of which are necessary.

1733
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:18,960
Funding for a site survey as built and

1734
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,679
selective investigations.

1735
01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:24,800
appoint a public private working group.

1736
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,760
And if you all agree that this is

1737
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:30,080
something, pardon me, you want to do,

1738
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,239
the friends of the Ross Firehouse will

1739
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:34,000
immediately withdraw their ballot

1740
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,920
initiative

1741
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,600
for this June.

1742
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:43,760
Now, I'm going to introduce Mr. Ed Dong.

1743
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,679
Take it away.

1744
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:48,480
>> Thank you, Jeff. Uh, my name is Ed Dong.

1745
01:26:48,480 --> 01:26:53,350
I'd like to talk to you about costs.

1746
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:56,560
What we have here is a is a uh a summary

1747
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:58,800
of of our work and in comparison with

1748
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:02,480
the KPA concept Budget.

1749
01:27:02,480 --> 01:27:05,040
Uh the slide is first project cost

1750
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:07,120
estimate. We call it first project or

1751
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,120
first cost estimate because it is a

1752
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:12,480
concept budget and as we move through

1753
01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:15,440
we'll have progressive budgets to keep

1754
01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:18,239
real time uh updates on where we are in

1755
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,000
design and cost. So right now this is

1756
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:24,000
the concept first project uh cost. First

1757
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,440
line is the KPA budget uh presented in

1758
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:29,280
2023.

1759
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,639
We've added an adjustment factor and uh

1760
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:37,199
you know we see their 2026 cost at 24.7

1761
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:40,320
million. At that time they were

1762
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,239
proposing to build uh 11,700

1763
01:27:44,239 --> 01:27:49,040
square ft with a budget uh of 2,115

1764
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,679
per square foot with no fire station

1765
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:55,920
programmed in that plan. Uh the proposed

1766
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:59,520
civic and community concept uh we

1767
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:03,440
believe we can deliver at $22.7 million,

1768
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,480
$2 million less than the KPA concept B

1769
01:28:06,480 --> 01:28:10,000
budget. Uh interestingly, we believe we

1770
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,280
can deliver almost 2,000 ft extra of

1771
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:17,280
program space for our budget of 1,680

1772
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,679
square uh dollars per square foot,

1773
01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:22,000
including a firehouse.

1774
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:25,760
Now the the drill down budget is very

1775
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,159
detailed and very very tiny. You have it

1776
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:29,920
in your package. We didn't see fit to

1777
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,000
have it on the screen because no one no

1778
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:34,639
one would be able to read it.

1779
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:38,320
But uh uh let me emphasize and point out

1780
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:45,280
how and why we think that this is the uh the favored direction to to to

1781
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:49,520
move with the 2000 the two million

1782
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,560
dollar savings. we believe uh we can

1783
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:55,199
generate is first of all this is an

1784
01:28:55,199 --> 01:28:58,639
adaptive reuse property. We see this

1785
01:28:58,639 --> 01:29:01,120
using the the beauty of the design using

1786
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:02,960
the existing building using the same

1787
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:05,600
footprint and building as Dan indicated

1788
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:09,760
building up. So, you know, we save cost

1789
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:13,440
on on a on a new building. Uh we we're

1790
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,120
saving the roof, we're saving the

1791
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,120
facade. So we believe this is a very

1792
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:22,880
economic uh way to go. In doing so we

1793
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:27,120
are maintaining the site. So the KPA

1794
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:30,239
plan envisioned demolishing raising the

1795
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:34,320
entire building and all the site environ

1796
01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:38,080
including trees. We will have everything

1797
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,880
maintained. So there should be minimal

1798
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:45,120
site uh renovation improvements to to to

1799
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:48,880
deliver this. Also we are keeping the uh

1800
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:52,800
apparatus bays at the back so that in

1801
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,679
the event the town moves for a fire

1802
01:29:55,679 --> 01:29:58,239
station we do not have to rebuild those

1803
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:00,159
apparatus bays. Those are fun. They were

1804
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:02,320
functional uh previously. They'll be

1805
01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:05,280
functional in the future.

1806
01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:08,080
in pricing I'm sorry in pricing this we

1807
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:12,480
went to two uh local general contractors

1808
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:17,040
uh both very very wellestablished uh

1809
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:20,000
regional builders both building upwards

1810
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:23,199
of a million to two to1 to2 billion

1811
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:25,679
dollars volume a year sweet spots in

1812
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:27,679
building are anywhere from 10 million to

1813
01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:31,360
75 million so this 23 24 million project

1814
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:34,000
is right in their sweet spot uh both

1815
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:36,320
these companies Swinton Builders and

1816
01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,199
Build Group. They specialize in historic

1817
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,840
restoration, civic redevelopment,

1818
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:45,120
adaptive reuse. And uh again, this is

1819
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,520
right down the strike zone. We have

1820
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:50,000
selected uh build group to highlight

1821
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:52,080
here and it's in your package. Build

1822
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,760
group tooured the building. They

1823
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,040
understood the crawl space under uh

1824
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,360
under the floorboards. They looked at

1825
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:03,600
the potential foundation requirements.

1826
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,560
They looked at the uh the envelope

1827
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,960
framing. They looked at the roof framing

1828
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:11,360
and uh they formed the basis of their

1829
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:14,000
renovation rebuilding cost on on that

1830
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:20,550
inspection.

1831
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,120
The pricing that you see in little tiny

1832
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:25,920
print in your package, it is a

1833
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,159
prevailing wage union pricing for a risk

1834
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:34,560
category for ESA design that is for an

1835
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,239
essential

1836
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:39,760
building design uh that this building

1837
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,639
will be and therefore the price includes

1838
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:45,520
the enhanced structural, seismic and

1839
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:47,600
functional durability that's required

1840
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:55,750
for for essential buildings.

1841
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:58,400
build group

1842
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:01,040
looked at every component of this of

1843
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:04,080
this build. Uh they broke it down to 24

1844
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,520
25 cost categories. Uh they estimated

1845
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,520
this will take 15 months to to deliver.

1846
01:32:11,520 --> 01:32:14,239
So their price includes the the the

1847
01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:17,199
personnel, the management, the the site

1848
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:19,440
requirements to sustain that that

1849
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,520
building and delivery period. They

1850
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,679
looked at the amount of concrete that

1851
01:32:23,679 --> 01:32:25,040
would be required for the new

1852
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,760
foundations to build up. They looked at

1853
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:30,480
all the framing, not only the the uh the

1854
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,960
wall and ceiling framing, but also the

1855
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,120
enhanced seismic and structural framing

1856
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,840
needed uh you know for this ESA

1857
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:39,440
requirement.

1858
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:42,320
uh drywall, walls, ceilings, the windows

1859
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:45,600
that you saw in uh in in Dan and Joey's

1860
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:48,239
presentation, we've got that covered in

1861
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:50,719
scope. Elevator, two-stop elevator. This

1862
01:32:50,719 --> 01:32:54,320
building is ADA ADA accessible. All the

1863
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,800
finishes, all as as Dan said, a new

1864
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,239
building. Yes. All the mechanical,

1865
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,880
electrical, plumbing systems will be all

1866
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:04,320
new up to uh you know, up to uh you

1867
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,800
know, leading edge standards. full com

1868
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,000
uh communications security low voltage

1869
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:12,800
all taken into account.

1870
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,000
You know, we have we have funds in there

1871
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,120
also, as Dan indicated, to to raise the

1872
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,400
apparatus bay floor if we decide to do

1873
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:24,800
that in consideration of some flood

1874
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,830
mitigation.

1875
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:32,560
We have included uh design contingency,

1876
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:35,679
construction contingency.

1877
01:33:35,679 --> 01:33:38,239
We have soft cost included architect,

1878
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:39,600
mechanical, electrical, plumbing

1879
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,320
engineer, structural engineer, uh

1880
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,320
historic, you know, preservation

1881
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:46,480
consultants, construction management,

1882
01:33:46,480 --> 01:33:49,520
permits, fees, testing and inspections.

1883
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,239
So again, too tiny to present on the

1884
01:33:52,239 --> 01:33:54,159
board, but you know, in summary, we

1885
01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:56,400
believe we can deliver this building and

1886
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,880
the and the uh uh and the maintained

1887
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:02,400
site for $22.7 million.

1888
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:05,360
Uh again, adaptive reuse building,

1889
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:08,080
retaining the sitework apparatus bays.

1890
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,719
We're going to reuse tie into the

1891
01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:13,199
existing facilities and infrastructure

1892
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:16,480
and uh you know a lot of the programming

1893
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:18,000
of the different departments will come

1894
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,480
out during the schematic design. At that

1895
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:21,679
point we can take a look at the

1896
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:25,199
requirements for police yard uh you know

1897
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:35,030
any uh any public works yards and we'll take that into account. So I'll be available for questions.

1898
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,840
Any questions? Bob.

1899
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,199
>> Yeah, I should have said this at the

1900
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:41,280
outset. I think we wanted you to finish

1901
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:43,199
your presentation and then we'll have

1902
01:34:43,199 --> 01:34:44,880
council questions

1903
01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:47,360
>> and then we'll ask staff questions. Then

1904
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,120
we can take public comment and then we

1905
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:50,880
can bring it back for discussion and

1906
01:34:50,880 --> 01:35:00,629
further further steps.

1907
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:03,360
Wait, are we up to project timeline?

1908
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,760
Yeah. Yeah.

1909
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,960
Uh Bob Herpst uh ad hoc committee

1910
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,639
member, president, friends of Ross

1911
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:14,560
Firehouse. Welcome guys. Thank you.

1912
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:16,480
Uh project timeline. So the primary

1913
01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:18,719
purpose of this is to demonstrate that

1914
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:20,800
we can get this building done in time to

1915
01:35:20,800 --> 01:35:23,600
move the paramedics in in January 2029

1916
01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:26,239
pursuant to our existing RVPA paramedic

1917
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:28,719
lease. Um there's really three

1918
01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:30,639
components in this timeline. Ed

1919
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:32,400
mentioned the construction component.

1920
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,960
That's 15 months. that's uh at the

1921
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,239
bottom of the chart. Um, currently if we

1922
01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:39,679
hit all these timelines, which will

1923
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:43,440
require uh require you guys to make a

1924
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,040
pretty prompt decision that you like

1925
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:49,040
this plan, but if if we uh get started

1926
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,719
promptly, um we'll have several months

1927
01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:55,920
uh extra time to move our BPA paramedics

1928
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,360
in. Uh the other two primary components

1929
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:01,360
other than the construction timeline are

1930
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,239
the SQA review and permitting timeline

1931
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:05,920
and the architecture and engineering

1932
01:36:05,920 --> 01:36:09,280
timeline. In this uh chart we've got the

1933
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,040
architecture and engineering broken into

1934
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,880
two components. The first is schematic

1935
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,280
design and costing and that's basically

1936
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,800
a three-month time period. Um and then

1937
01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:20,960
the final component is four months which

1938
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,840
is working drawing. So that's the, you

1939
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:25,920
know, the 50 pages of of drawings of

1940
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:27,440
exactly what the contractor needs to do

1941
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:30,800
to uh execute the project. Um, what

1942
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,199
we're recommending to town council if

1943
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:35,600
they decide to pursue this plan is to

1944
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:37,920
bring on that schematic architectural

1945
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,560
designer as soon as possible. Go to RFP

1946
01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:43,280
in May if you can. Um, get them on board

1947
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,440
to complete that three-month process.

1948
01:36:45,440 --> 01:36:47,199
The the design component is going to be

1949
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:48,639
two months, then we'll cost it with

1950
01:36:48,639 --> 01:36:51,840
contractors. Three months. that could

1951
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:53,360
potentially give you guys the

1952
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:56,880
opportunity to go to the voters in

1953
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:00,560
November with a fully costed plan. Um,

1954
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:02,320
if you're not comfortable with that and

1955
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,199
can't get there in time for November, it

1956
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:06,960
can move to June. That doesn't affect

1957
01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:09,119
this timeline. We'll still be working on

1958
01:37:09,119 --> 01:37:10,560
the full design. We'll still be working

1959
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,719
on the SQA permitting. That will be

1960
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:14,560
done, as you can see on the plan, in

1961
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,880
time for a June ballot measure as well.

1962
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:18,239
So, that's really for you guys to

1963
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:21,360
decide. And if you like this plan and

1964
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:23,679
want to proceed with it, it is important

1965
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:25,679
to get moving on hiring that schematic

1966
01:37:25,679 --> 01:37:31,910
designer. Thank you.

1967
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:33,600
Okay.

1968
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,440
Um,

1969
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:37,760
financing a project. Turns out it's

1970
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,600
complicated.

1971
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,679
The only realistic and feasible source

1972
01:37:41,679 --> 01:37:43,600
of financing is a general obligation

1973
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,080
bond.

1974
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:48,800
The only permitted use of funds from a

1975
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,440
general obligation bond are brick and

1976
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:54,400
mortar construction. You cannot use it

1977
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:58,639
for operations, salaries, and so on. And

1978
01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:01,520
it requires a twothirds vote by the

1979
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:03,440
voters.

1980
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:05,520
And it's important to understand this is

1981
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,000
I'm sure familiar to you, but I want to

1982
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,199
make sure everybody understands

1983
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,040
the go tax, the general obligation. And

1984
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:15,920
the go tax is based on a parcel's

1985
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:18,480
assessed value,

1986
01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:22,639
not a parcel.

1987
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:26,320
tax like the public safety

1988
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:29,440
parcel tax we have in Ross. It's the

1989
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:32,560
same amount for everybody.

1990
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,639
Your next door neighbor has the same tax

1991
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:38,229
that you have.

1992
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:41,760
Assessed value is what you paid for your

1993
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,679
house and what you've done to improve

1994
01:38:43,679 --> 01:38:45,760
it.

1995
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,159
And therefore, everybody's assessed

1996
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:53,030
value is unique.

1997
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,639
Now, a $10 million bond, and I use this

1998
01:38:56,639 --> 01:38:59,440
the number 10 partly because it's an

1999
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:01,119
easy number to get in your head and do

2000
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:04,400
math with, but $10 million bond of 4%

2001
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,560
interest over 30 years would require

2002
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,600
annual payments of about $580,000 a

2003
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:11,280
year.

2004
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,560
And by the way, you had a presentation

2005
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:21,360
last month, was it with um the field, how do I pronounce the name?

2006
01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:24,880
Fields Yeah, Fieldman. So, I've gone

2007
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,639
through all of my arithmetic with the

2008
01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:28,960
Fieldman guy just to make sure that I

2009
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:33,360
wasn't doing it wrong and I wasn't.

2010
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,360
And we'll get into this more in the next

2011
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:38,639
slide. in Ross,

2012
01:39:38,639 --> 01:39:41,840
you when you get do all the math,

2013
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,560
the parcel, pardon me, the um assessed

2014
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:47,280
value tax for the general obligation

2015
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:50,800
bond is about $20 per $100,000 of

2016
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:54,239
assessed value.

2017
01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:56,239
The town's assessed value increases

2018
01:39:56,239 --> 01:39:58,719
about 2 to 4% annually, and that happens

2019
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:01,920
everywhere. And it is limited to that by

2020
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:04,000
Prop 13.

2021
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,080
And the people who make that decision to

2022
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:08,560
increase it, of course, the Marin County

2023
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:10,639
Assessor.

2024
01:40:10,639 --> 01:40:13,679
But when you do that,

2025
01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:19,760
the effective tax goes down because the um assessed value of the whole town

2026
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,960
is going up.

2027
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:25,440
So, for example, for a home that has 2

2028
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:28,800
million of assessed value, that tax

2029
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,320
works out to about $400 a year

2030
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:39,030
declining with such value increases.

2031
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:41,520
I want to spend some time talking about

2032
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:44,719
this, but um

2033
01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:49,830
it's this button, right? Yep.

2034
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,520
» Oh, there it is. The assessed value of

2035
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,880
all the homes and Ross

2036
01:40:56,880 --> 01:41:00,400
as of November last comes to $2.95

2037
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,159
billion.

2038
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:04,719
That is a stunning number.

2039
01:41:04,719 --> 01:41:06,480
But that's just the assessed value. The

2040
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:08,639
market value is probably three times

2041
01:41:08,639 --> 01:41:10,800
that.

2042
01:41:10,800 --> 01:41:14,320
A median home of assessed value in Ross

2043
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:17,040
is 2 and a half million.

2044
01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,280
And this pie

2045
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,639
divides it in all of the homes in Ross

2046
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:26,960
into 10 into pardon me 10 segments. Each

2047
01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:31,360
segment is 83 homes.

2048
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,280
And when you look at the top of the of

2049
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:36,960
the pie, where's my little

2050
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,760
There it is. That little teeny sliver of

2051
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,520
red at the 12:00 point in the in the pie

2052
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:47,119
has as many homes as the big blue pie

2053
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:50,480
just to its left.

2054
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:53,840
That red pie has a 23 million, pardon

2055
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:56,560
me, that red slice has a $23 million

2056
01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:01,280
assessed value. The same number of homes

2057
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:06,880
across to to the left has $978

2058
01:42:06,880 --> 01:42:10,000
million of assessed value.

2059
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:14,320
20% of the homes in Ross account for

2060
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:18,639
$1.5 billion of assessed value. And if

2061
01:42:18,639 --> 01:42:22,080
you go clockwise, starting at 12:00,

2062
01:42:22,080 --> 01:42:24,320
each of the pie slices gets a little bit

2063
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:27,430
bigger.

2064
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:31,520
It's a ton of money that's out there.

2065
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:34,629
So,

2066
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:36,639
I'm I think unless there's something

2067
01:42:36,639 --> 01:42:39,040
right away, I'm going to move on. So,

2068
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:46,790
that is you.

2069
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:49,280
» So, this one's mine, right? Okay. So,

2070
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,760
just a number of requests that we have

2071
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,199
to get this moving forward.

2072
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:56,000
>> Yep. One would be to develop an amended

2073
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,800
master plan based on this idea of

2074
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,400
working with Kristen's staff and

2075
01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:02,239
actually amending what it is that we've

2076
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:05,760
been working on. We need um we couldn't

2077
01:43:05,760 --> 01:43:07,679
find one. It may exist somewhere, but we

2078
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:10,960
need a site survey done quickly.

2079
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,560
Identifying the buildings, where they're

2080
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:16,159
located, the structures, the topography,

2081
01:43:16,159 --> 01:43:19,119
um major landscaping, trees, that kind

2082
01:43:19,119 --> 01:43:20,560
of thing. That needs to be done. That

2083
01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:22,000
could be moved forward right away. We're

2084
01:43:22,000 --> 01:43:23,360
going to need it no matter what. So,

2085
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,400
that should be done. Asbuilt drawings of

2086
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,440
town hall. Um, it's not an expensive

2087
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:32,000
process to get as built drawings of this

2088
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,239
building and the other building. Um,

2089
01:43:34,239 --> 01:43:36,639
laser technology allows us to do it very

2090
01:43:36,639 --> 01:43:38,639
quickly. As far as the other building is

2091
01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:40,080
concerned, we'd also want to make sure

2092
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,400
that we identify any structural walls in

2093
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:44,480
the building and such to to make sure

2094
01:43:44,480 --> 01:43:46,400
that we're planning um, you know,

2095
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:49,119
properly moving forward. We would like

2096
01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:53,360
to do a limited amount of exploration in

2097
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,719
the existing building. Maybe opening up

2098
01:43:56,719 --> 01:43:58,239
ceiling here and there. We have to be

2099
01:43:58,239 --> 01:43:59,760
careful about it because the building's

2100
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,560
occupied. Uh it would be very minimal

2101
01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,080
amount of work, but it would give us a

2102
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:06,239
better understanding of maybe some of

2103
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,239
the work that potentially needs to be

2104
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:11,199
done. As we talked about it, the the

2105
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:12,480
question would be why would we do

2106
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:14,400
schematic design and break it into

2107
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:18,080
pieces? I think that it would be ideal

2108
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:20,400
if we selected one architect to do the

2109
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:24,320
whole thing. However, any architect just

2110
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,159
like any general contractor giving us

2111
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:28,480
prices right now is going to put a big

2112
01:44:28,480 --> 01:44:30,320
contingency in their number because they

2113
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,600
don't know exactly what it is that

2114
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:34,080
they're going to do. So, there's a

2115
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:35,920
couple of advantage of doing schematic

2116
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:37,760
design. schematic design are going to

2117
01:44:37,760 --> 01:44:41,520
include floor plans, elevations, working

2118
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,119
with the department heads and coming up

2119
01:44:43,119 --> 01:44:44,800
with detailed plans for the police

2120
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,960
station, offices, public works,

2121
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:50,320
everything. It'll also include outline

2122
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:53,600
specifications and enough information to

2123
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:57,679
be able to develop a budget that we can

2124
01:44:57,679 --> 01:44:59,600
hang our hat on. Right now, all

2125
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,360
everything that everybody's been done is

2126
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,000
a conceptual budget. And I guarantee you

2127
01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:06,639
that there is a lot of, you know, a lot

2128
01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:09,040
of contingency across the board.

2129
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,199
Contingency, contingency on top of

2130
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,679
contingency. So, and this is a pretty

2131
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:16,159
typical process. Get it to the point.

2132
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:18,400
And what it allows us to do, we have

2133
01:45:18,400 --> 01:45:20,880
plans, we have specifications,

2134
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:22,719
we can get pricing, and if you want to

2135
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:24,480
try to move forward with the bond this

2136
01:45:24,480 --> 01:45:27,440
year, we can do this in three months. So

2137
01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:29,679
have enough information but it's I'm not

2138
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:32,480
sure we meaning the process that we need

2139
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:34,080
to go through of selecting architects

2140
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:35,760
can be done that quickly but the

2141
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:37,600
schematic design work could actually be

2142
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:40,719
done done in in three months. So, and

2143
01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:43,119
then you could you could ask an

2144
01:45:43,119 --> 01:45:44,800
architect for instance and or other

2145
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:47,199
consultants, give us money, do schematic

2146
01:45:47,199 --> 01:45:49,040
design. This is what it looks like. They

2147
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,800
can do an estimate for the entire

2148
01:45:50,800 --> 01:45:52,159
project. But once they have

2149
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:54,639
clarification on what it is that they're

2150
01:45:54,639 --> 01:45:57,119
doing, contract documents, contract

2151
01:45:57,119 --> 01:45:59,199
administration, everything else is much

2152
01:45:59,199 --> 01:46:01,840
more manageable to them and their

2153
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:03,440
numbers are going to ultimately be a lot

2154
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:06,080
tighter. So, I think we can simplify the

2155
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,400
process, move it forward quickly. it

2156
01:46:08,400 --> 01:46:11,360
does mean move spending money. Um the

2157
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:13,679
schematic design normally is going to be

2158
01:46:13,679 --> 01:46:16,800
somewhere around 15% of the overall

2159
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:19,040
fees. So it there's an investment that

2160
01:46:19,040 --> 01:46:20,880
would be made that you know hopefully

2161
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,280
we'd be able to use downstream. I think

2162
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:24,719
that the one other thing would be

2163
01:46:24,719 --> 01:46:27,679
getting a historic consultant on board.

2164
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:29,840
We have registered historic structures.

2165
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,400
So the the the question is and I think

2166
01:46:32,400 --> 01:46:34,800
we all believe that these buildings

2167
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:36,960
would be given special consideration in

2168
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:39,600
terms of environmental impact and SQA

2169
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,800
and such. Um, not necessarily that we

2170
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:45,600
would get a negative declaration, but we

2171
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,679
potentially could, you know, work with

2172
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:49,040
historic consultant, work with

2173
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:51,600
environmental consultant and greatly

2174
01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,560
reduce the amount of time, effort, and

2175
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,080
money that would go into some of the

2176
01:46:56,080 --> 01:46:58,400
environmental remediation work that

2177
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:03,910
would need to be done.

2178
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:05,199
This is

2179
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:06,960
>> um yeah this one I'll just summarize in

2180
01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:08,800
sort of one comment and it was said at

2181
01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:11,760
the very beginning and that is that it's

2182
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:13,440
I think we all believe that it would be

2183
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:16,159
really helpful and important to have a a

2184
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:19,119
public private working group uh to work

2185
01:47:19,119 --> 01:47:22,159
with Christa to move the project forward

2186
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,880
uh quickly. I think having I mean what

2187
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,920
we've all seen is having the kind of

2188
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:30,719
resources that we all can draw on to be

2189
01:47:30,719 --> 01:47:34,560
able to to help in in a significant way

2190
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:36,480
I think is really valuable to the town.

2191
01:47:36,480 --> 01:47:38,560
The fact that everybody here and there

2192
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:40,000
are others around that are willing to

2193
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,159
put their time and their money and the

2194
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:43,840
talent of their people and their staffs

2195
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,159
and themselves into an effort like this

2196
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:48,719
is a big deal. And not to take advantage

2197
01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:51,360
of it I think would be unfortunate. And

2198
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,440
I think quite frankly given the time we

2199
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:55,840
have and all the other constraints that

2200
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,960
if we can do this you know it's it means

2201
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:00,800
doing it more like a project would be in

2202
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:02,639
the private sector but at least

2203
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:05,520
accelerate you know a typical process

2204
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:08,800
that we would have to go through

2205
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,239
and I think is that it

2206
01:48:10,239 --> 01:48:13,199
>> that's it you're up

2207
01:48:13,199 --> 01:48:13,920
>> oh

2208
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:15,520
>> bill

2209
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:19,510
your

2210
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,920
well really Um,

2211
01:48:21,920 --> 01:48:29,109
I'm I'm going to have to

2212
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:44,470
» really

2213
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:47,199
We're want to talk about the financing

2214
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:50,239
of the project. And here Jeff and and

2215
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:53,280
really Tom, if you don't mind, I really

2216
01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,800
need to ask you to step in here. I'll do

2217
01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,800
the panime

2218
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:01,199
and and we can talk about the financing

2219
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:02,320
of this,

2220
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:04,320
>> but you're you're going to be skilled at

2221
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:07,360
talking about the geo bond and all that.

2222
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,560
>> Yes, I am. This is out of my league. So

2223
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:16,629
there.

2224
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:19,440
» Thanks, bro. All right. So the uh as as

2225
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:22,400
we have up here on the slide, the in

2226
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,639
terms of the next stops

2227
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:28,880
for uh the bond approval. I know some of

2228
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,119
you on the town council have a lot of

2229
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:33,920
experience in getting approval of parcel

2230
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,960
tax and school bonds and everything

2231
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,360
else. And I think we as a group feel

2232
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:43,760
that uh we can help generate support and

2233
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:48,159
get this bond passed. And uh I anybody

2234
01:49:48,159 --> 01:49:50,480
who's taken a look at the plan seems to

2235
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:53,119
be supportive so far. uh we all came

2236
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:56,239
together in 30 minutes over Dan's first

2237
01:49:56,239 --> 01:49:59,280
iteration of this plan and and uh we

2238
01:49:59,280 --> 01:50:00,719
think we can bring the whole town

2239
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:03,280
together and we appreciate all the

2240
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,040
efforts you guys have put and time

2241
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,760
you've put into all this and uh we're

2242
01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:11,679
here to help and the the Ross property

2243
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:16,159
owners the friends of the firehouse the

2244
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:18,159
Ross auxiliary

2245
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:21,040
even the age friendly I think everybody

2246
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:24,560
can unify and I uh as one town, as one

2247
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:30,550
community, and get this thing passed.

2248
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,800
Don't forget the Ross Historical Society

2249
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:35,520
is going to be on this. Um, madame mayor

2250
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,360
and council members, I'm happy to be

2251
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:40,480
here tonight. Um, we all know it's

2252
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:42,239
difficult to pass a twothirds bond

2253
01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:44,800
election, but I think there's two key

2254
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:47,679
elements in to it. One is to avoid

2255
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:50,560
controversy as much as you can and two

2256
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:55,760
is to have an active proactive uh bond

2257
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:58,320
uh outreach committee and with those I

2258
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,719
think we can do it. Now, I give you an

2259
01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:03,199
example of how easy something can go

2260
01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:07,119
Whoops. can go uh south. And about 20

2261
01:51:07,119 --> 01:51:09,920
years ago, the Ross School went out with

2262
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:14,560
a bond issue somewhat under $20 million.

2263
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,560
And two of our council members tonight

2264
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:18,159
know a lot about that because they were

2265
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:21,040
on the school board at the time. Um

2266
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,199
everything was cruising along very well

2267
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:25,600
with the election. and all of a sudden

2268
01:51:25,600 --> 01:51:29,040
one landowner sent out a letter to all

2269
01:51:29,040 --> 01:51:31,679
the homeowner well to all the residents

2270
01:51:31,679 --> 01:51:35,679
in the town and um questioned the need

2271
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:38,960
for remodeling the school and that

2272
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:42,400
started uh people asking questions and

2273
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,239
Ros School had never really had any

2274
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,560
problems authorizing

2275
01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,760
uh like the parcel taxes.

2276
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:52,719
So, out of the blue came this person

2277
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:58,560
challenging everything and I think the uh bond election committee wasn't

2278
01:51:58,560 --> 01:52:01,840
ready to answer the questions. And so,

2279
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:05,199
um sure enough, let's let's uh figure

2280
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:08,239
out an a uh citizens advisory committee

2281
01:52:08,239 --> 01:52:10,960
and they formed one of 24 people, which

2282
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:15,280
is way too many, 12 on each side. And

2283
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,520
that committee, unlike our committee

2284
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:20,080
that that I've worked with on this one,

2285
01:52:20,080 --> 01:52:22,400
that committee, there was acrimony.

2286
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,639
There was

2287
01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:26,800
uh contentious behavior in the first

2288
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:29,679
three or four meetings. And we met over

2289
01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:31,920
about a fourmonth I I just can't

2290
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:33,520
remember

2291
01:52:33,520 --> 01:52:36,719
period, but about every other week. And

2292
01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:40,639
um after a while we kept talking about

2293
01:52:40,639 --> 01:52:42,960
the questions and it was a committee of

2294
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:45,840
people that you find in Ross. Everybody

2295
01:52:45,840 --> 01:52:47,679
loves the town. They were just

2296
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:49,520
questioning you know they wanted

2297
01:52:49,520 --> 01:52:54,560
information and so um after we met uh we

2298
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,440
eventually wound up with a 23 to nothing

2299
01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:00,560
vote. Uh one person quit the committee

2300
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:02,560
and we brought that back to the town

2301
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:05,520
council. I mean the uh school board and

2302
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:07,840
of course they approved it and we went

2303
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:10,960
ahead and the citizens committee one of

2304
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,360
the advantages of a citizen committee is

2305
01:53:13,360 --> 01:53:15,760
they study the issue beforehand so they

2306
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:19,119
know all about it and

2307
01:53:19,119 --> 01:53:21,599
uh the bond measure passed I believe it

2308
01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:26,000
got a 75% yes vote that you might you

2309
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,000
one of you might remember I think it

2310
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,560
went from 62 or 3 to 75% and I hold that

2311
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:35,840
Was the bond what what

2312
01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:37,360
>> just going to say I think the first time

2313
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:38,800
was 59%.

2314
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:39,440
>> Was what?

2315
01:53:39,440 --> 01:53:42,560
>> 59%. Right, Elizabeth?

2316
01:53:42,560 --> 01:53:44,480
>> Yeah, I don't remember. It didn't pass.

2317
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:46,159
It didn't get 66.

2318
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:49,199
>> Anyway, it passed. And so the two the

2319
01:53:49,199 --> 01:53:51,920
two things to take from this is uh it

2320
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:53,360
can well it's three there's it can

2321
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:57,360
happen in Ross but um try to avoid

2322
01:53:57,360 --> 01:53:58,880
controversy

2323
01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:02,800
and uh have a good uh citizens committee

2324
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,080
program of educated people and proactive

2325
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,560
and that's what we've proposed by the

2326
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:12,239
way meetings uh table at uh the town

2327
01:54:12,239 --> 01:54:15,679
council I mean at the Ross post office

2328
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:20,159
um printed information. Uh the the uh

2329
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:22,400
property owners are going to hold a

2330
01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:25,119
public meeting if we need maybe at the

2331
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:28,159
so uh and no matter what project we

2332
01:54:28,159 --> 01:54:30,880
choose I think you need to proceed on

2333
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:35,360
that method. So um sure enough now the

2334
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,639
situation is it's difficult to decide on

2335
01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:42,159
the project and it's because there are

2336
01:54:42,159 --> 01:54:44,560
big groups on both sides and nobody's

2337
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:46,239
going to get a twothirds vote the way it

2338
01:54:46,239 --> 01:54:49,599
works now. So

2339
01:54:49,599 --> 01:54:52,800
our eightp person committee which was is

2340
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,800
comprised of people that were both on

2341
01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,520
both leaning both ways on this issue and

2342
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,760
a lot of strong support from the friends

2343
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:04,159
of the fire station. But um we were we

2344
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:06,800
were formed to come up with a viable

2345
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:10,960
plan and uh

2346
01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:13,199
we can argue elements of the plan, but

2347
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:16,320
what we need is a plan acceptable to

2348
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:19,679
these diverse groups no matter what. We

2349
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:21,599
need to we need to get that twothirds

2350
01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:24,800
threshold. And so you've heard about our

2351
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:26,560
plan tonight and all the things that

2352
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:30,320
we're uh you know recommending. It's a

2353
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:33,360
beautiful structure. It it it attracts

2354
01:55:33,360 --> 01:55:38,159
us. It uh whatever problems can I think

2355
01:55:38,159 --> 01:55:40,560
the um

2356
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:43,040
uh architects that you select can work

2357
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:47,360
out all of those kinks. But what we need

2358
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:50,560
what we really need is um or what the

2359
01:55:50,560 --> 01:55:54,159
town needs to move forward is a a

2360
01:55:54,159 --> 01:55:56,719
unanimous vote by the council on our

2361
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:58,800
plan.

2362
01:55:58,800 --> 01:56:03,360
And I believe that um with unanimous and

2363
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,040
vote and approval by the town council

2364
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,560
um with the exceptional design and uh I

2365
01:56:10,560 --> 01:56:13,840
think popular appeal of the civic center

2366
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:18,000
design and a very active bond outreach

2367
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:21,440
committee. um we have an excellent

2368
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,840
chance to pass the bond issue and I've

2369
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:27,840
done 14 bond issues on voted bond

2370
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:31,280
measures in Marin and uh that's kind of

2371
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,400
what I found is the key and if we do

2372
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:38,080
that and and pass the bond issue then we

2373
01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,320
will build an excellent

2374
01:56:40,320 --> 01:56:42,960
civic center building just like Ross

2375
01:56:42,960 --> 01:56:45,199
school did and built their fabulous

2376
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:48,400
school building.

2377
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:57,589
So that's it.

2378
01:56:57,599 --> 01:57:01,840
Okay. So last slide to summarize.

2379
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:04,719
The project minimizes operational

2380
01:57:04,719 --> 01:57:06,480
disruption and construction time by

2381
01:57:06,480 --> 01:57:07,920
allowing the whole project to move

2382
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,760
forward at once as opposed to in

2383
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:11,920
multiple phases.

2384
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,320
Vertical space is less expensive than

2385
01:57:14,320 --> 01:57:16,320
singlestory space and adding a second

2386
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:18,080
story to the building is much less

2387
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:19,760
expensive

2388
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:22,719
than additional ground area.

2389
01:57:22,719 --> 01:57:25,840
Allows for two means of financing, one

2390
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:28,880
for the town center and optionality for

2391
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:31,280
future firehouse operations should we

2392
01:57:31,280 --> 01:57:33,679
desire. It

2393
01:57:33,679 --> 01:57:35,440
requires less site coverage and

2394
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:37,360
environmental disruption, minimizing

2395
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:40,000
hardscape and prompting other mitigation

2396
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:41,520
risk.

2397
01:57:41,520 --> 01:57:44,639
uh work, excuse me, and allows planning,

2398
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:46,719
building, and public works to remain in

2399
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:49,520
place until the new facilities are ready

2400
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:52,320
for occupancy, which will minimize both

2401
01:57:52,320 --> 01:57:54,960
costs and operational disruptions.

2402
01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:00,390
And that is the end of our presentation.

2403
01:58:00,400 --> 01:58:03,360
» Wonderful. Thank you all. It was really

2404
01:58:03,360 --> 01:58:05,599
terrific. We and we really appreciate

2405
01:58:05,599 --> 01:58:07,760
all the time and effort and

2406
01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,360
collaboration and creativity.

2407
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:14,560
And I think now we'll have questions

2408
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:18,560
from the council to the committee and

2409
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:23,520
then we will um have questions to staff

2410
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,000
if people have questions to staff. Then

2411
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:29,040
we'll take public comment and then we

2412
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,679
will bring it back and figure out what

2413
01:58:31,679 --> 01:58:34,480
our next steps are.

2414
01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:36,800
Questions? Elizabeth?

2415
01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:39,840
>> Um thank you very much. I I think the

2416
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:42,320
plan looks beautiful. Um I have a couple

2417
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:44,000
of quick questions. One is you'd

2418
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,320
mentioned if we can't make the bond

2419
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:48,480
measure if we can't make it for a

2420
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,960
November bond that it could go on a June

2421
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,520
ballot. Is is is that possible to have a

2422
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,760
general obligation bond in a year that

2423
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:57,760
doesn't have a general election? It's

2424
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:00,639
2027

2425
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:02,480
or do we need a special election for

2426
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:03,119
that?

2427
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:05,280
>> Uh

2428
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:11,270
what? Go ahead. No. Go ahead.

2429
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,520
» I I checked with our uh attorney's

2430
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:15,840
office on that that question today and

2431
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,040
yes, we can uh the the town council can

2432
01:59:19,040 --> 01:59:21,440
place a measure on the ballot a a geo

2433
01:59:21,440 --> 01:59:26,239
bond in um 2027. Um I would like to

2434
01:59:26,239 --> 01:59:29,840
clarify um the Marin County Office of

2435
01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:32,400
Elections, they don't there's not a June

2436
01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:34,159
date next year. Let me tell you what the

2437
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:36,480
dates are. I did get those.

2438
01:59:36,480 --> 01:59:40,159
So, the dates are um in 2027 the the

2439
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:42,159
special election dates because they

2440
01:59:42,159 --> 01:59:44,239
would all be called a special election

2441
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:49,440
March 2nd, May 4th, August 31st, and

2442
01:59:49,440 --> 01:59:52,239
November 2nd. The May meeting and the

2443
01:59:52,239 --> 01:59:56,960
August meeting are um only vote by mail.

2444
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:59,599
And um just to give you an idea of the

2445
01:59:59,599 --> 02:00:01,760
deadline. So if the council was going

2446
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:05,119
to, you know, target the March 2nd, 2027

2447
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:07,840
date, you would have to have all the

2448
02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:09,760
information to the county elections

2449
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:13,840
office by December 4th. So it's a good

2450
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:17,119
four months. Um you have to get the

2451
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:18,880
information, take your action as a

2452
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,920
council and get your information to the

2453
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:23,840
um county elections office.

2454
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:27,280
>> Thank you. Okay. I mean, I I I think I'm

2455
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:28,880
hoping that it's possible for November,

2456
02:00:28,880 --> 02:00:33,040
but it's helpful to know that that it's not a whole another year to wait.

2457
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:38,159
And then um for the um uh for the bays

2458
02:00:38,159 --> 02:00:41,280
and where um the paramedic, ambulance,

2459
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:44,639
or fire engines, if we have any exit, is

2460
02:00:44,639 --> 02:00:47,599
this driveway being kept, you know, this

2461
02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:51,119
driveway between town hall and the uh

2462
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:52,800
the town building? I couldn't tell from

2463
02:00:52,800 --> 02:00:54,880
the drawing if there's a little park

2464
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:57,280
there or if it's if there's still an

2465
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:00,560
exit right here.

2466
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:02,480
>> Okay.

2467
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,360
>> So, you can now those curve cuts.

2468
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:07,679
>> Excuse me, Mr. We'd love to hear what

2469
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:08,800
you have to say. You have to speak the

2470
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:10,320
microphone

2471
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:12,480
so the folks at home can hear.

2472
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:14,000
>> I thought I was speaking loud enough

2473
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:16,719
that everybody could hear. Um, no, which

2474
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:18,239
>> I think the site needs to be developed,

2475
02:01:18,239 --> 02:01:19,760
but there clearly needs to be an

2476
02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:21,679
entrance and exit on both sides like

2477
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:22,719
there is right now.

2478
02:01:22,719 --> 02:01:22,960
>> Okay.

2479
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:24,639
>> And that was the intent and actually I

2480
02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:26,639
think the original plans that were sent

2481
02:01:26,639 --> 02:01:29,360
out to all of you did not show that and

2482
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:31,280
then we were modified to actually pick

2483
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:33,760
that up and included the redwood trees

2484
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:35,679
that we would want to save here as well.

2485
02:01:35,679 --> 02:01:39,280
So, um, so yes, the answer is yes.

2486
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,440
>> Okay, thank you. And then my only other

2487
02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:44,000
question is on slide 28 there you talk

2488
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:46,000
about how we move forward appoint public

2489
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,159
private working group uh led by the town

2490
02:01:48,159 --> 02:01:50,719
manager and duties determined by the

2491
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:53,679
town manager and one question is is is

2492
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:55,280
that the right process and and the

2493
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:57,760
reason I ask is because we have a

2494
02:01:57,760 --> 02:01:59,920
committee right now that seems to be

2495
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,560
doing an amazing job and I'm not sure if

2496
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:04,400
you know I know Jeff you're leading it

2497
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:06,800
if the if David Kelly is also part of it

2498
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:08,800
and you're accessing the town manager

2499
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:11,440
when you need her. I I'm not sure, but

2500
02:02:11,440 --> 02:02:14,159
it seems like, you know, this committee

2501
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:16,480
has transcended politics and

2502
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:18,639
personalities and has come up with a

2503
02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:20,719
plan. And I I'd kind of hate to rock the

2504
02:02:20,719 --> 02:02:23,679
boat. I mean, I'm happy to keep whatever

2505
02:02:23,679 --> 02:02:26,400
committee or leadership you have right

2506
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:28,400
now because it's working. So, my

2507
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:30,159
question is, why would we change that?

2508
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:32,239
Why couldn't we just keep going right

2509
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:35,760
now with what we have, accessing our

2510
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:38,000
staff as we need them, the town manager

2511
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:41,360
and the um uh project manager?

2512
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:43,199
>> Well, I can tell you that this group is

2513
02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:44,960
very cohesive.

2514
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:48,000
We pardon me. We would be delighted to

2515
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,350
do that.

2516
02:02:51,360 --> 02:02:54,239
I mean, this group works.

2517
02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:55,920
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think I think it's I

2518
02:02:55,920 --> 02:03:00,480
think at the I you know ideally it's working together here right because

2519
02:03:00,480 --> 02:03:02,000
there are things that we can do

2520
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:04,560
resources people that we can bring to

2521
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:06,480
the table. You know we were looking at

2522
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:09,280
say scope of work or evaluating

2523
02:03:09,280 --> 02:03:11,199
consultant agreements or whatever it

2524
02:03:11,199 --> 02:03:16,480
might be um to assist Christa and the staff in terms of being able to

2525
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:18,239
bring more people to the table when it's

2526
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:20,639
needed. And I think that all of us all

2527
02:03:20,639 --> 02:03:24,400
of us are willing to do that. I mean, I wouldn't have said that necessarily

2528
02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:26,400
think that going in, but I think after

2529
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:28,159
working together for almost three months

2530
02:03:28,159 --> 02:03:30,639
that, you know, we have a lot of value

2531
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:33,599
that we could bring to the table.

2532
02:03:33,599 --> 02:03:41,750
>> Thank you.

2533
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:44,960
» With respect to the the timeline, I

2534
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:48,000
appreciate that that timeline. I I have

2535
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,719
to tell you my impression is that's I I

2536
02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:52,719
wonder how re realistic that is just

2537
02:03:52,719 --> 02:03:55,599
based on my experience uh both in the

2538
02:03:55,599 --> 02:03:57,679
private real estate development area but

2539
02:03:57,679 --> 02:04:00,400
also as a homeowner in Ross we were once

2540
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:03,040
told for a survey we're looking at six

2541
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,880
months to a year just because there were

2542
02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:10,159
so few surveyors. So I I mean is I

2543
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:12,159
wonder if anyone could comment on this

2544
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:13,679
particularly Dan, you know, as an

2545
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:15,440
architect. I mean, do you really think

2546
02:04:15,440 --> 02:04:17,679
we could have a site plan within this

2547
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:19,119
period of time and that these other

2548
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:20,560
things could come together?

2549
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:22,560
>> You want to comment? Well, I I'll maybe

2550
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:25,040
take a little bit of this. Uh you're

2551
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,400
right in terms of you know resources and

2552
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,760
availability but we all have large firms

2553
02:04:31,760 --> 02:04:33,679
and we all have large operations and we

2554
02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:35,840
have a lot of clout and we can push

2555
02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:38,560
people pretty hard to get things done.

2556
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:41,119
>> And it's true. I mean look at we got two

2557
02:04:41,119 --> 02:04:43,440
really great really great construction

2558
02:04:43,440 --> 02:04:45,840
estimates really good people took their

2559
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:48,000
time to do this because they're partners

2560
02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:50,000
of ours across you know many different

2561
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:52,880
projects and such. I I that it is a

2562
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:54,800
really aggressive it is an aggressive

2563
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,119
timeline. I think that you know if you

2564
02:04:57,119 --> 02:04:59,840
were to look for it a June bond for

2565
02:04:59,840 --> 02:05:03,199
instance I think the question becomes

2566
02:05:03,199 --> 02:05:05,599
how do we break up the work because what

2567
02:05:05,599 --> 02:05:07,599
I would hate to and something we'd have

2568
02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:09,119
to talk about but if you hire an

2569
02:05:09,119 --> 02:05:11,520
architect that does all the drawings and

2570
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:13,199
you pay for all the engineers and all

2571
02:05:13,199 --> 02:05:15,360
the architect and get everything done

2572
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:17,760
and you can even go get it send it out

2573
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:19,360
to bid and get numbers for the bond

2574
02:05:19,360 --> 02:05:20,880
potentially.

2575
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,599
What if it doesn't pass? And then all of

2576
02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:26,639
a sudden we've got a lot of sunk cost

2577
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:30,000
that potentially I think it will pass

2578
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:32,080
and I'm certainly optimistic about that

2579
02:05:32,080 --> 02:05:33,360
and we would throw our weight and

2580
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:36,000
everybody in the town behind it, but it

2581
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:38,800
may not. And so maybe it still might

2582
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:40,719
force us to break it up into pieces. I

2583
02:05:40,719 --> 02:05:43,280
also think that the other issue is is

2584
02:05:43,280 --> 02:05:47,440
EMS and the contract and they sort of

2585
02:05:47,440 --> 02:05:50,000
run concurrently here and you're you're

2586
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:51,520
trying to get some things done because

2587
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,360
in a way you're going to want to

2588
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:55,040
renegotiate some other things

2589
02:05:55,040 --> 02:05:57,440
potentially, but you could tell a story

2590
02:05:57,440 --> 02:05:59,920
where you're going to pro provide them a

2591
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:02,080
facility that's a you know wonderful

2592
02:06:02,080 --> 02:06:04,560
facility and access to things that they

2593
02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:05,840
wouldn't have if they did this

2594
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:07,920
separately. So there's a lot of moving

2595
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:10,560
parts, but it is it is a pretty

2596
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:12,960
aggressive schedule overall. It is.

2597
02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:15,440
>> And then one other question in terms of

2598
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,639
the list of things that that we were

2599
02:06:18,639 --> 02:06:22,159
told we should get going on. Uh has any

2600
02:06:22,159 --> 02:06:23,760
thought been given to whether we should

2601
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:26,560
have some sort of geotechnical study or

2602
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:29,040
analysis given that this is near a creek

2603
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:31,920
that it's in a known liquefaction zone?

2604
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:35,040
>> Yeah, I think it's a good question. we

2605
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:38,000
probably would do a limited number of

2606
02:06:38,000 --> 02:06:41,840
soil borings. Um, however, and I think

2607
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:44,480
it would be if we were doing more work

2608
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,760
that was closer to the creek, I'd be

2609
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:50,480
much more concerned about it. But I

2610
02:06:50,480 --> 02:06:52,960
think if we open up those buildings and

2611
02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:54,159
look at some of the foundations

2612
02:06:54,159 --> 02:06:56,000
underneath and see if there's been any

2613
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:58,079
settling over a hundred years, that's

2614
02:06:58,079 --> 02:07:00,400
going to give us a pretty good idea what

2615
02:07:00,400 --> 02:07:03,199
this substrate looks like. But I would

2616
02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:04,719
still say yes, we're going to have to

2617
02:07:04,719 --> 02:07:07,199
get a geotech in here and and do some

2618
02:07:07,199 --> 02:07:08,960
investigative work just to see if there

2619
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:10,719
is something that we're not aware of.

2620
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:14,239
>> Is is that something the town should be handling or with the

2621
02:07:14,239 --> 02:07:16,400
>> architect? No matter what, we'll have to

2622
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:19,360
do it. I think the only question is

2623
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:22,159
depending upon the route that we go, the

2624
02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:23,840
location of the buildings are going to

2625
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:25,119
have an impact on where we do the

2626
02:07:25,119 --> 02:07:26,960
borings. You're not going to want to do

2627
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:29,040
a soil boring in a place where we're not

2628
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,320
going to have a building. And so I think

2629
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:32,960
we, you know, again, it's let's get some

2630
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:34,639
planning done, get something, and then

2631
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:36,560
decide to go in and start doing some of

2632
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:38,320
the we could do some preliminary soils

2633
02:07:38,320 --> 02:07:40,800
testing, but not necessarily spend the

2634
02:07:40,800 --> 02:07:46,629
money on doing complete porings.

2635
02:07:46,639 --> 02:07:49,599
» I I really love the conceptual design

2636
02:07:49,599 --> 02:07:52,480
and plan. It's beautiful. Um, a couple

2637
02:07:52,480 --> 02:07:53,840
questions. I think you may have

2638
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,119
addressed it, but I just want to be

2639
02:07:55,119 --> 02:07:58,239
sure. parking and circulation within the

2640
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:00,719
space. Is it adequate?

2641
02:08:00,719 --> 02:08:01,599
the park um

2642
02:08:01,599 --> 02:08:04,239
>> parking is it adequate and will

2643
02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:06,239
>> well I guess my answer to that question

2644
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:08,560
would be based on the plan that has been

2645
02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:10,079
approved

2646
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:12,560
uh assuming that was adequate the plan

2647
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:14,400
that we're bringing forward would have

2648
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:17,440
the ability to have more parking

2649
02:08:17,440 --> 02:08:19,199
because there's less site work right

2650
02:08:19,199 --> 02:08:20,639
it's more open we're basically

2651
02:08:20,639 --> 02:08:22,400
condensing the building and going up and

2652
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,000
so consequently there's less sight

2653
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,880
coverage which would allow us to do and

2654
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:28,560
I if we would have had a survey would

2655
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,639
have been a lot I could start doing

2656
02:08:30,639 --> 02:08:32,480
layouts and stuff, but

2657
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:33,920
>> it just didn't make a lot of sense

2658
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:35,440
without having really adequate

2659
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,920
information. But it also potentially

2660
02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:40,639
could take areas like this area right

2661
02:08:40,639 --> 02:08:42,480
now, which is sort of a dead area of

2662
02:08:42,480 --> 02:08:45,199
this building because the the question

2663
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:47,520
is in terms of access, people coming in,

2664
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:48,480
they're going to have to go up Sir

2665
02:08:48,480 --> 02:08:50,800
Francis Drake and come in the center. we

2666
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:52,719
could actually develop it so that

2667
02:08:52,719 --> 02:08:54,639
there's a double entry that comes into

2668
02:08:54,639 --> 02:08:56,719
the site and potentially look at some of

2669
02:08:56,719 --> 02:09:00,480
the areas over here for open areas and

2670
02:09:00,480 --> 02:09:03,280
patio areas and other community kinds of

2671
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,679
small group activities. And so I think

2672
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:08,960
that site development piece of it I I

2673
02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:12,079
think again based on the you know master

2674
02:09:12,079 --> 02:09:13,920
plan that's approved I would say yes I

2675
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:15,920
would say we probably can get more but I

2676
02:09:15,920 --> 02:09:17,199
think we still have to go through the

2677
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:19,599
process of of detailed planning. Yeah, I

2678
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:22,639
was thinking if if the those back bays,

2679
02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:27,040
if that area is for community um events

2680
02:09:27,040 --> 02:09:29,760
or you've got a community center, there

2681
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:32,079
may be more people coming in than just

2682
02:09:32,079 --> 02:09:34,320
the staff that are working here or the

2683
02:09:34,320 --> 02:09:36,880
police and the and the paramedics.

2684
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:38,000
>> Yeah. So,

2685
02:09:38,000 --> 02:09:39,920
>> yeah.

2686
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:43,920
>> Um another question. Um, I know you

2687
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:48,320
didn't uh talk to the police or the um

2688
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:51,440
public works staff about the space that

2689
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:52,800
they need. And I think about public

2690
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:56,320
works, they they have a new is it a new

2691
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:58,159
lawn mower or something that's coming,

2692
02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,239
new tractor? It's like where where are

2693
02:10:00,239 --> 02:10:01,760
we going to put these things? Have you

2694
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,239
thought about that and what in the

2695
02:10:04,239 --> 02:10:04,800
design?

2696
02:10:04,800 --> 02:10:08,000
>> Um, the answer is yes and and no, right?

2697
02:10:08,000 --> 02:10:11,199
So the yes side of it is is certainly we

2698
02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:13,760
saw a number of things in the program

2699
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,480
that in all likelihood should not be in

2700
02:10:16,480 --> 02:10:19,199
that larger structure and a lot of it

2701
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:20,960
had to do with public works the shop

2702
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:23,360
area equipment sort and some other

2703
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:26,239
things. I think that the fact that again

2704
02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:28,400
we're condensing it into one building,

2705
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:30,400
we have the ability to do a separate

2706
02:10:30,400 --> 02:10:32,880
small public works maintenance and shop

2707
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:35,760
area because in all likelihood just

2708
02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:37,679
based on the function of those

2709
02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:39,440
particular areas, you probably wouldn't

2710
02:10:39,440 --> 02:10:44,719
want it in the building. But we didn't have the time and we didn't

2711
02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:46,560
really sit we really need to sit down

2712
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:48,960
with everybody and Christa and the staff

2713
02:10:48,960 --> 02:10:50,639
have done that. The program looks really

2714
02:10:50,639 --> 02:10:52,239
good. There's a lot of clarification

2715
02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:54,719
work that needs to be done, but detailed

2716
02:10:54,719 --> 02:10:56,480
layouts are the next step to make sure

2717
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:58,000
that everything works. And this building

2718
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:01,199
is as, you know, as nice as it is

2719
02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:04,000
conceptually, it'll change from this.

2720
02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:05,920
It's got to change from this. This is an

2721
02:11:05,920 --> 02:11:07,840
idea that we need to, you know, start

2722
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:09,679
building on potentially.

2723
02:11:09,679 --> 02:11:11,840
>> And if I could address the police

2724
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:13,760
station issue,

2725
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:15,679
>> um, I've had multiple conversations with

2726
02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:18,560
Chief Am

2727
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:20,960
or ex-chief

2728
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:25,599
um he knows it solid right now. The new

2729
02:11:25,599 --> 02:11:27,520
chief doesn't know the building nearly

2730
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:30,239
as much as he does. Right. So I asked

2731
02:11:30,239 --> 02:11:33,119
our just departed chief if he'd be

2732
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:35,199
willing to consult over the phone or in

2733
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:37,040
meeting with us starting next week. And

2734
02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:40,320
he said anytime you want. Is he still

2735
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:42,000
here?

2736
02:11:42,000 --> 02:11:42,960
>> Right.

2737
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,840
>> Yeah. That was anytime you want while I

2738
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,520
was employed by the city itself. So

2739
02:11:49,520 --> 02:11:51,040
>> might come with the cost, but we'll

2740
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:51,199
talk.

2741
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:53,199
>> I know you do. I know you do. And what's

2742
02:11:53,199 --> 02:11:55,280
the what's the book you said you were

2743
02:11:55,280 --> 02:11:57,360
going to give us?

2744
02:11:57,360 --> 02:11:59,040
>> Uh is this the proper the appropriate

2745
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:02,000
time to speak? So there's so so there's

2746
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,000
rules for police departments. I haven't

2747
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:05,599
heard any of that in this conversation

2748
02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:07,520
tonight. There's the International

2749
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,599
Association for Chiefs of Police has a

2750
02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,360
guideline of what your police department

2751
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:13,520
needs to look like and have the peace

2752
02:12:13,520 --> 02:12:15,199
officer standards of training in

2753
02:12:15,199 --> 02:12:17,040
California tells you what you need to

2754
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:20,079
have for a police station. So when I

2755
02:12:20,079 --> 02:12:21,760
hear about the site and things like

2756
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:24,000
that, be prepared for this number to go

2757
02:12:24,000 --> 02:12:26,320
up because there are some very expensive

2758
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:28,880
things. Police departments aren't cheap,

2759
02:12:28,880 --> 02:12:30,480
fire departments aren't cheap, paramedic

2760
02:12:30,480 --> 02:12:32,480
buildings aren't cheap, but we have some

2761
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:34,400
really specific stuff and we can't share

2762
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,639
some of those things. Uh, the Department

2763
02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:38,639
of Justice regulates who comes and goes

2764
02:12:38,639 --> 02:12:40,560
and where they come and where they go.

2765
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:42,239
>> Uh, we've got computers with people's

2766
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:43,760
personal information. I mean, I'm kind

2767
02:12:43,760 --> 02:12:45,440
of preaching to the choir. I know it's a

2768
02:12:45,440 --> 02:12:47,360
beautiful looking building. I just worry

2769
02:12:47,360 --> 02:12:49,280
that it's not going to function for the

2770
02:12:49,280 --> 02:12:51,760
stuff that we need to do our job.

2771
02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:54,400
>> Um, and most importantly,

2772
02:12:54,400 --> 02:12:55,440
>> especially if you're going to have a

2773
02:12:55,440 --> 02:12:58,000
housing element here, um, you can't have

2774
02:12:58,000 --> 02:12:59,920
an escaped prisoner running through your

2775
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:02,320
housing element. You need a secure area

2776
02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:04,480
to get them in and out of your building.

2777
02:13:04,480 --> 02:13:06,159
Same with the police officers. You need

2778
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:07,920
a secure way to get them in and out. And

2779
02:13:07,920 --> 02:13:10,400
you need a secure in a discrete place

2780
02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:13,119
for victims of of crimes to come in and

2781
02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:16,320
out of the lobby. Um, you know, we get

2782
02:13:16,320 --> 02:13:17,920
we believe it or not, we we get that

2783
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:20,400
here in Ross. We don't advertise. Um,

2784
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:22,480
but but we do get that here in Ross. So,

2785
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:24,079
these are all things that I'm happy to

2786
02:13:24,079 --> 02:13:27,760
share with you guys. And and there's guys that are bigger experts

2787
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:29,520
than I am, but I've lived in your

2788
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:32,560
building for five years. Um, I've been

2789
02:13:32,560 --> 02:13:34,639
here when we we it's like it's like a

2790
02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:37,520
fire drill for us to get the one police

2791
02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:39,840
officer and me that comes in on my day

2792
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:43,440
off to move cars from your parking lot

2793
02:13:43,440 --> 02:13:46,320
and try to find parking either at Marine

2794
02:13:46,320 --> 02:13:48,000
Art and Garden Center or up on Laurel

2795
02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:49,760
Grove just so that we can get to our

2796
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:51,599
cars because we're worried about

2797
02:13:51,599 --> 02:13:53,840
flooding. You know, been lucky. Hasn't

2798
02:13:53,840 --> 02:13:55,199
really happened a lot. happened once

2799
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:57,520
when I was here. But still, the idea of

2800
02:13:57,520 --> 02:13:59,040
doing that and that takes us away from

2801
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:00,159
the things that we really should be

2802
02:14:00,159 --> 02:14:02,400
doing like maybe evacuating residents or

2803
02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:05,920
doing traffic control. Um, these are all

2804
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:08,239
considerations. And while I've worked in

2805
02:14:08,239 --> 02:14:09,840
this building for five, I've lived

2806
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:12,159
through a rehab at the Sanfell Police

2807
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:15,520
Station. Um, Chief Aguilar has lived

2808
02:14:15,520 --> 02:14:17,440
through the rehab at the Sanfell Police

2809
02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:22,960
Station. Um, it's a lot of work and you guys just should be prepared for

2810
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:25,599
your numbers to go up and for this the

2811
02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:28,560
size to change a little bit at least.

2812
02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:30,400
So, anyway, there's pros that do this.

2813
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:32,560
I'm I'm just I'm an expert only because

2814
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:34,960
I use the property.

2815
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:37,440
So, I'm happy to help you with whatever

2816
02:14:37,440 --> 02:14:38,320
else you might need.

2817
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:39,119
>> We'll fix it.

2818
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:39,840
>> Yeah.

2819
02:14:39,840 --> 02:14:42,800
I think that um

2820
02:14:42,800 --> 02:14:45,360
first of all, I think probably many of

2821
02:14:45,360 --> 02:14:47,599
you know my wife was in law enforcement

2822
02:14:47,599 --> 02:14:49,840
for 45 years. So the last thing I would

2823
02:14:49,840 --> 02:14:52,400
ever want to do is to short change the

2824
02:14:52,400 --> 02:14:55,199
police department, right? But I think

2825
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:58,000
right now what we did is we blocked out

2826
02:14:58,000 --> 02:15:00,480
3,000 square feet. And the 3,000 square

2827
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:03,280
feet in terms of functional needs is

2828
02:15:03,280 --> 02:15:05,760
defined in the program. And it is a

2829
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:08,000
secure 3,000 foot area. It doesn't mean

2830
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:09,840
that we have all the answers yet. We

2831
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:12,639
certainly don't, but that block of space

2832
02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:15,040
is based on the program. So, and that's

2833
02:15:15,040 --> 02:15:17,760
a very clean square block of space. So,

2834
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:20,480
consequently, I would think that we can

2835
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:23,119
um meet all your all your needs and and

2836
02:15:23,119 --> 02:15:25,119
ultimately I think that pertains to

2837
02:15:25,119 --> 02:15:26,719
everybody. It pertains to public works

2838
02:15:26,719 --> 02:15:28,960
and the office space and staff and that

2839
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:30,560
sitting down and working through these

2840
02:15:30,560 --> 02:15:32,960
things and trying to understand

2841
02:15:32,960 --> 02:15:35,599
compromises that could be made or should

2842
02:15:35,599 --> 02:15:37,040
be made or other kinds of things,

2843
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:38,480
opportunities we can look at.

2844
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:40,320
>> Yeah. I I I think you guys are on the

2845
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:42,639
right track. I don't I don't think it's

2846
02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:46,159
impossible. Um size-wise, I think just

2847
02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:49,119
making all the pieces fit. Um I've lived

2848
02:15:49,119 --> 02:15:51,040
through I've said this before. It's kind

2849
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:52,480
of I've lived through architectural

2850
02:15:52,480 --> 02:15:59,280
Tetris. It didn't really work out. Uh we So I like that you're considering,

2851
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:00,800
you know, more space. I think that's

2852
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:02,639
good. But I really do think that the

2853
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:05,520
access is going to be huge for us. And

2854
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:08,320
um and thank you for for everything. I

2855
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:10,800
appreciate it. Is there any Tom Andrew?

2856
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:12,719
Is there anything you need from me or

2857
02:16:12,719 --> 02:16:13,920
anybody else?

2858
02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:18,000
>> Well, um, thank you, Chief. Well, the council could very well have

2859
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:18,719
questions for you.

2860
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:19,360
>> I'll stick around.

2861
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:22,320
>> Yeah.

2862
02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:24,960
>> Is it I don't want to take everybody's

2863
02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:28,159
time. Okay. So,

2864
02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:30,000
when would we really have an idea of

2865
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:33,120
what the pretty true costs would be for

2866
02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:34,800
a geo bond?

2867
02:16:34,800 --> 02:16:36,880
>> I'm sorry. When would we really have a

2868
02:16:36,880 --> 02:16:39,920
good idea of what the cost? I mean,

2869
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:41,840
Chief P is saying it's gonna cost going

2870
02:16:41,840 --> 02:16:44,880
to cost a lot more than you think. And

2871
02:16:44,880 --> 02:16:48,160
when you take a look at a at closer to

2872
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:50,080
the structure, we may find that there's

2873
02:16:50,080 --> 02:16:52,240
things that we didn't under under we

2874
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:53,840
didn't know or understand that would be

2875
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:55,679
a problem. When are we going to know

2876
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:57,760
what the real cost is going to be?

2877
02:16:57,760 --> 02:16:59,840
Because that affects how much we are

2878
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:02,240
asking for in the geo bond.

2879
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:06,479
>> No, I get that. But if your question is, it more difficult to go above 10

2880
02:17:06,479 --> 02:17:09,679
million than 20 million? No, it's not

2881
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:11,599
difficult at all.

2882
02:17:11,599 --> 02:17:13,359
>> I'm just thinking if we say, okay, it's

2883
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:17,040
going to be 10 million and the geo bond.

2884
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:19,280
We issue the geo bond, but it ends up

2885
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,280
being it's going to cost us more than

2886
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:23,200
that. It's going to end up so people

2887
02:17:23,200 --> 02:17:25,760
vote, they say yes, twothirds, and then

2888
02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:27,760
we say, well, it wasn't quite enough. We

2889
02:17:27,760 --> 02:17:30,960
need another three million.

2890
02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:33,679
Okay. So, the town has 12 point

2891
02:17:33,679 --> 02:17:36,559
something million squirrel away,

2892
02:17:36,559 --> 02:17:38,960
>> right? And we're talking about a project

2893
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:43,439
that is it 22 23 maybe 25 million. And

2894
02:17:43,439 --> 02:17:46,800
so, we need another 125.

2895
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:49,519
If you start with 10, an additional 125

2896
02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:53,200
is no big deal. It really isn't.

2897
02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:55,359
>> Yeah. Maybe I could answer that

2898
02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:56,880
potentially too from a different

2899
02:17:56,880 --> 02:18:00,240
perspective. So, and I'll look at all my

2900
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:02,880
developer friends in the including Bill

2901
02:18:02,880 --> 02:18:05,519
back there. Um, you know, when we do

2902
02:18:05,519 --> 02:18:07,040
projects and they're going for

2903
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:08,960
financing, they got a budget. We got to

2904
02:18:08,960 --> 02:18:10,960
stick to the budget and you got to

2905
02:18:10,960 --> 02:18:13,359
figure out how to do that. But in order

2906
02:18:13,359 --> 02:18:15,120
to do that, you have to have enough

2907
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:17,599
information developed so that you can

2908
02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:19,920
get a number that you can really hang

2909
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:22,880
your hat on. And so the answer to the

2910
02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:26,319
question I think is you know multiaceted

2911
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:28,719
in the sense that if you were to get an

2912
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:30,319
architect on board a good architect

2913
02:18:30,319 --> 02:18:32,800
could do the schematic design and run

2914
02:18:32,800 --> 02:18:35,760
concurrently with cost estimator within

2915
02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:38,000
three months and have a number that

2916
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:40,080
would include I think pretty much every

2917
02:18:40,080 --> 02:18:41,679
aspect of the project that we'd be

2918
02:18:41,679 --> 02:18:44,000
concerned about. Everything from AV

2919
02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:47,599
equipment furniture fit out everything

2920
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:50,880
right. Um, but that would mean if you're

2921
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:52,880
trying to, you know, if you're trying

2922
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:54,479
for a bond in the fall, that means that

2923
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:55,920
you'd have to have an architect on board

2924
02:18:55,920 --> 02:19:00,080
by June. June, July, June, July, August,

2925
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:01,679
three months, which means that you have

2926
02:19:01,679 --> 02:19:04,080
a month, Kristen staff has a month to

2927
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,399
they got to conduct interviews. They got

2928
02:19:06,399 --> 02:19:09,439
RFQS and RFPs. And so I think

2929
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:11,519
realistically,

2930
02:19:11,519 --> 02:19:13,040
you know, I think we could do it, but

2931
02:19:13,040 --> 02:19:15,519
realistically probably June. But then

2932
02:19:15,519 --> 02:19:18,160
the question is how much work do we do

2933
02:19:18,160 --> 02:19:20,399
between now and June and how much money

2934
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:23,760
do we spend that to get us to because we

2935
02:19:23,760 --> 02:19:27,679
could do this in three months and maybe that's the first step get the

2936
02:19:27,679 --> 02:19:29,679
architects on board whatever that

2937
02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:32,080
three-month time frame is get a number

2938
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:34,960
then and then really take a look at the

2939
02:19:34,960 --> 02:19:37,120
bond situation that we're developing in

2940
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:40,080
June and then if we're comfortable that

2941
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:42,160
we believe that we can get a pass then

2942
02:19:42,160 --> 02:19:43,840
continue with the drawings at that point

2943
02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:46,399
in time But don't commit to doing

2944
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:48,240
everything until we have a much better

2945
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:50,640
understanding of what the overall scope

2946
02:19:50,640 --> 02:19:51,359
looks like.

2947
02:19:51,359 --> 02:19:54,800
>> Okay. Thank you.

2948
02:19:54,800 --> 02:19:57,920
>> Yeah, I noticed that in the um project

2949
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:01,120
timeline that I think Bob was

2950
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:04,319
presenting, it looks like in that

2951
02:20:04,319 --> 02:20:06,720
diagram, the costing isn't done until

2952
02:20:06,720 --> 02:20:09,439
September of 2026.

2953
02:20:09,439 --> 02:20:12,399
Um, and we would need to file that

2954
02:20:12,399 --> 02:20:15,439
information in early August for the

2955
02:20:15,439 --> 02:20:18,000
general obligation bond

2956
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:21,280
to give give the the amount that we're

2957
02:20:21,280 --> 02:20:28,720
seeking from the voters. So, it it seems like maybe March of 2027

2958
02:20:28,720 --> 02:20:31,600
might be more realistic to do a thorough

2959
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:34,640
job. we had to go back and ask the

2960
02:20:34,640 --> 02:20:36,800
voters for a supplement when we did the

2961
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:38,720
school bond and that's not something

2962
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:42,640
that we want to do. Um

2963
02:20:42,640 --> 02:20:44,160
so

2964
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:45,680
Matt, do you want to ask questions or

2965
02:20:45,680 --> 02:20:50,240
should I go ahead? Um,

2966
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:53,439
I know you've said that if the council

2967
02:20:53,439 --> 02:20:57,040
endorses this plan, um, that the friends

2968
02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,280
of the Ross Firehouse will withdraw

2969
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:02,560
their initiative and but it seems like

2970
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:04,800
there's a lot of moving parts. Um,

2971
02:21:04,800 --> 02:21:06,240
there's a lot of stuff that still needs

2972
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:08,399
to get done. we're, you know, figuring

2973
02:21:08,399 --> 02:21:10,080
out where there's going to be secured

2974
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:12,880
parking for the police, um the public

2975
02:21:12,880 --> 02:21:16,319
works yard, um the the detailed

2976
02:21:16,319 --> 02:21:19,760
programmatic issues, etc., etc. Um so,

2977
02:21:19,760 --> 02:21:24,000
I'm wondering how, you know, how firmly

2978
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:27,280
um do we need to endorse this plan? It

2979
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:29,520
seems like it's going to be iterative. I

2980
02:21:29,520 --> 02:21:31,840
think I think we're all very much in

2981
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:34,399
favor of the concept, the conceptual

2982
02:21:34,399 --> 02:21:36,000
design. I think the building is

2983
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:38,560
beautiful, but I'm wondering, you know,

2984
02:21:38,560 --> 02:21:41,439
what is that sweet spot where where

2985
02:21:41,439 --> 02:21:43,439
you're going to get endorsement and

2986
02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:45,920
commitment from us and you're going to

2987
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:48,720
feel like, okay, we're going to we're

2988
02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:50,240
going to withdraw the initiative because

2989
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:51,840
we have confidence that this is the

2990
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:54,960
direction that the council's going.

2991
02:21:54,960 --> 02:22:00,000
>> I could take it. U August August 8th is

2992
02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:02,560
the deadline to withdraw the ballot

2993
02:22:02,560 --> 02:22:05,840
initiative. So really, town council just

2994
02:22:05,840 --> 02:22:07,600
needs to adopt our plan as a new master

2995
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:10,479
plan by August 8th. So that gives you

2996
02:22:10,479 --> 02:22:12,160
what is that three months? May, June,

2997
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:14,479
July. Gives you three months. Get your

2998
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:17,680
schematics, get your costing.

2999
02:22:17,680 --> 02:22:19,600
You need to adopt the plan before August

3000
02:22:19,600 --> 02:22:21,359
8th or or we won't withdraw our ballot

3001
02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:23,439
initiative. That that's for certain. Um

3002
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:25,600
so you guys got to come together and

3003
02:22:25,600 --> 02:22:29,359
make that decision by then.

3004
02:22:29,359 --> 02:22:31,200
>> Okay. Okay, I'm going to have a question

3005
02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:33,520
for the staff then about how realistic

3006
02:22:33,520 --> 02:22:38,710
that is. Um,

3007
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:42,800
and and I'm wondering in your plan,

3008
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:47,439
um, there's space for fire, but I'm

3009
02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:50,240
wondering, are you intending for us to

3010
02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:53,280
spend money to build out

3011
02:22:53,280 --> 02:22:56,399
facilities for fire? Or is this just

3012
02:22:56,399 --> 02:23:00,080
space that could be used later if

3013
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:03,600
funding to operate the fire station is

3014
02:23:03,600 --> 02:23:06,640
somehow secured down the road?

3015
02:23:06,640 --> 02:23:08,479
The ladder.

3016
02:23:08,479 --> 02:23:11,600
So we would not be spending money to

3017
02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:14,240
build out a fire station. It's not build

3018
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:16,080
it and they will come.

3019
02:23:16,080 --> 02:23:17,920
>> No, no, we wouldn't. No, we wouldn't

3020
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:20,960
have to. I think I think when we go back

3021
02:23:20,960 --> 02:23:22,640
and take a look at the program, what we

3022
02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:25,280
need to understand is is how can we

3023
02:23:25,280 --> 02:23:27,920
bring together certain elements and is

3024
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:29,920
it possible that some of those elements

3025
02:23:29,920 --> 02:23:32,880
could be shared, fitness facility,

3026
02:23:32,880 --> 02:23:35,439
locker, men and women's locker rooms,

3027
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:37,439
toilet areas, other kinds of things that

3028
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:38,880
show up in different aspects of the

3029
02:23:38,880 --> 02:23:41,520
program. So, I think that and and quite

3030
02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:42,960
frankly, everything that we've been

3031
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:45,439
looking at in terms of fire side of it,

3032
02:23:45,439 --> 02:23:48,080
it's really primarily residential. It's

3033
02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:50,000
really primarily the bunks. There's not

3034
02:23:50,000 --> 02:23:51,600
a lot of other things that will really

3035
02:23:51,600 --> 02:23:54,319
push a very large square footage. So, I

3036
02:23:54,319 --> 02:23:56,800
think that um we would be doing the

3037
02:23:56,800 --> 02:23:58,479
planning for it, but we wouldn't be

3038
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:00,240
spending I don't think we should be

3039
02:24:00,240 --> 02:24:02,080
spending any money until we know exactly

3040
02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,080
where we're going with it. But from a

3041
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:05,600
planning standpoint, certainly you could

3042
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:07,120
do it and you could do it, design it in

3043
02:24:07,120 --> 02:24:09,920
a way that if it didn't pass, then it

3044
02:24:09,920 --> 02:24:11,520
could become something else. So I think

3045
02:24:11,520 --> 02:24:14,240
where it's located, how it's organized

3046
02:24:14,240 --> 02:24:16,479
makes a big difference in terms of

3047
02:24:16,479 --> 02:24:18,800
giving us the ability to move forward in

3048
02:24:18,800 --> 02:24:20,960
a reasonable way so that we have the

3049
02:24:20,960 --> 02:24:22,640
flexibility using it for one thing

3050
02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:26,150
versus another.

3051
02:24:26,160 --> 02:24:28,880
» Matt, do you have questions?

3052
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,280
>> First of all, I want to say thank you to

3053
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:33,280
this committee for putting forth a

3054
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:36,319
really just beautiful plan and really

3055
02:24:36,319 --> 02:24:39,040
showing that the impossible actually is

3056
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:42,080
possible. So my first question is is

3057
02:24:42,080 --> 02:24:45,840
really for you uh Dan. I um you know

3058
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:47,680
being on this council and going through

3059
02:24:47,680 --> 02:24:50,640
this whole what I would say Misha Goss

3060
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:54,000
as a Jew uh is that I was told that you

3061
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:55,680
know you got to trust the experts. You

3062
02:24:55,680 --> 02:24:57,200
really you're not listening. You I got

3063
02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:59,200
to trust the experts. And you were one

3064
02:24:59,200 --> 02:25:02,160
of those experts who um said that this

3065
02:25:02,160 --> 02:25:04,080
building could not was not a candidate

3066
02:25:04,080 --> 02:25:06,960
for adaptive reuse. And so I'm I'm just

3067
02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:11,040
curious if you could share your own um

3068
02:25:11,040 --> 02:25:13,359
experience kind of from the letter you

3069
02:25:13,359 --> 02:25:15,680
sent the council in July to this plan

3070
02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:18,160
today, how you got to this conclusion

3071
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:20,399
that it could be uh an adaptive reuse

3072
02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:23,040
project. Yeah, I think it I think it's

3073
02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:24,880
part of what you know because I wrote

3074
02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:27,120
that letter and and I understand I went

3075
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:28,720
back and read it and I could see how the

3076
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:31,760
some of the misunderstanding might occur

3077
02:25:31,760 --> 02:25:35,439
when when we did that study back in

3078
02:25:35,439 --> 02:25:37,200
2000.

3079
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:39,120
We were going to move the whole building

3080
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:41,520
out of the flood plane, which meant the

3081
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:43,359
whole including the front of the

3082
02:25:43,359 --> 02:25:45,680
building, the criteria was to raise that

3083
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:48,080
up even higher at the time. when you

3084
02:25:48,080 --> 02:25:50,960
were looking at that, the cost

3085
02:25:50,960 --> 02:25:52,880
associated with putting a new building

3086
02:25:52,880 --> 02:25:56,399
up was cheaper than doing a renovation

3087
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:59,840
at that point. So, I think that whenever

3088
02:25:59,840 --> 02:26:01,600
you're getting into a renovation project

3089
02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:04,479
and it's and I it I think I was

3090
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:06,319
misunderstood because any building can

3091
02:26:06,319 --> 02:26:10,080
be renovated. Um I'm in the middle of I

3092
02:26:10,080 --> 02:26:12,479
just did one personally on the National

3093
02:26:12,479 --> 02:26:14,560
Historic Register up in Oregon. It took

3094
02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:16,319
us four my wife and I four and a half

3095
02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:18,800
years. should have been torn down and

3096
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:20,399
rebuilt. I could have torn it down and

3097
02:26:20,399 --> 02:26:22,720
rebuilt it for less money than it cost

3098
02:26:22,720 --> 02:26:26,160
to do the renovation work, but it's on

3099
02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:28,720
the National Historic Register. It was a

3100
02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:31,200
really important building in town. There

3101
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:33,600
are a lot of compelling reasons to do it

3102
02:26:33,600 --> 02:26:36,080
anyways. And I and as I said, I think

3103
02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:39,280
that this building is probably going to

3104
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:40,960
cost same as a new building, but there's

3105
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:42,640
a lot of other compelling reasons to

3106
02:26:42,640 --> 02:26:46,000
keep aspects of it, portions of it. And

3107
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:48,479
I think that that so it wasn't it can't

3108
02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:49,920
be renovated. Of course it can be

3109
02:26:49,920 --> 02:26:52,560
renovated, but I think ultimately as I

3110
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:53,840
said before, what we're going to end up

3111
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:55,760
with essentially is a new building.

3112
02:26:55,760 --> 02:26:57,200
>> Yeah. No, no, I understand. I just want

3113
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:58,960
to be very clear because part of the

3114
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:00,800
letter said structural framing is

3115
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:02,640
completely inadequate to meet seismic

3116
02:27:02,640 --> 02:27:04,960
codes. So there were there had been some

3117
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:07,120
criticism that this building the

3118
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:10,000
foundations it could not support the

3119
02:27:10,000 --> 02:27:12,800
essential services act. I I just I I

3120
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:14,880
this is so important because we were

3121
02:27:14,880 --> 02:27:17,120
told repeatedly over and over through

3122
02:27:17,120 --> 02:27:19,520
this process this this area this

3123
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:22,800
envelope had to be completely raised

3124
02:27:22,800 --> 02:27:24,880
because there was no cap there was no

3125
02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:27,520
capability under any circumstance that

3126
02:27:27,520 --> 02:27:30,000
it structurally could support a modern

3127
02:27:30,000 --> 02:27:31,840
firehouse police etc.

3128
02:27:31,840 --> 02:27:33,760
>> Um

3129
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:35,840
well I'm not sure that's true. I don't

3130
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,760
think that that isn't what I was it is

3131
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:39,520
well it isn't true and there and there

3132
02:27:39,520 --> 02:27:42,080
are two things that are one is true is

3133
02:27:42,080 --> 02:27:44,080
that seismically it's not anywhere near

3134
02:27:44,080 --> 02:27:48,160
up to code so sheer walls all sorts of

3135
02:27:48,160 --> 02:27:50,399
potentially foundation reinforcement

3136
02:27:50,399 --> 02:27:52,800
work there's a lot of mitigation work

3137
02:27:52,800 --> 02:27:54,800
that we might have to do we won't know

3138
02:27:54,800 --> 02:27:56,800
until we actually get into the project

3139
02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:58,560
but there's also ways to circumvent that

3140
02:27:58,560 --> 02:28:01,200
we don't necessarily have to do grade

3141
02:28:01,200 --> 02:28:03,200
you know foundation walls we could do

3142
02:28:03,200 --> 02:28:06,560
columns and beams So there's always a

3143
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:09,040
workaround, right? And I think that, you

3144
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,200
know, again, going back to, you know,

3145
02:28:11,200 --> 02:28:14,800
when we look at it originally, it was a

3146
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:16,479
pro bono kind of thing. We went in

3147
02:28:16,479 --> 02:28:18,800
there, we did it almost exactly what

3148
02:28:18,800 --> 02:28:20,479
we're doing now, but a much shorter time

3149
02:28:20,479 --> 02:28:22,880
frame. And and the question at that

3150
02:28:22,880 --> 02:28:24,960
point is, is it cheaper to build a new

3151
02:28:24,960 --> 02:28:28,080
one and take this one down or not? And

3152
02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:30,319
our answer was it's probably cheaper to

3153
02:28:30,319 --> 02:28:32,880
build a new one. But our position was at

3154
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:36,319
that time reuse portion of this building

3155
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:38,399
in a way that if you do something new,

3156
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:41,120
it still has the integrity of what was

3157
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:42,479
there before.

3158
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:45,040
>> Okay. So just to be to clarify, there's

3159
02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:48,160
nothing structurally wrong

3160
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:50,479
>> with with with what this plan in terms

3161
02:28:50,479 --> 02:28:52,880
of supporting an you know essential

3162
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:56,800
services act, police, fire, paramedic.

3163
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,359
in your view based on what you have seen

3164
02:28:59,359 --> 02:29:00,000
and

3165
02:29:00,000 --> 02:29:02,319
>> I'll clarify that because it's it's not

3166
02:29:02,319 --> 02:29:06,960
that we the existing structural system

3167
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:10,160
no doubt does not meet code but we can

3168
02:29:10,160 --> 02:29:13,200
reinforce that structural system to meet

3169
02:29:13,200 --> 02:29:13,840
code

3170
02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:14,160
>> okay

3171
02:29:14,160 --> 02:29:16,080
>> shear wall steel whatever we need to do

3172
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:18,240
we can we can certainly make that happen

3173
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:21,439
>> okay so question two has to do with the

3174
02:29:21,439 --> 02:29:25,680
programming for uh a working modern fire

3175
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:27,520
and paramedic facility

3176
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:29,600
So, I know we just heard some questions

3177
02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:35,120
about the the ballot initiative. Your plan here says that you can

3178
02:29:35,120 --> 02:29:39,840
completely build a modern working fire

3179
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:41,600
and paramedic facility here

3180
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:42,880
>> and that you have the right square

3181
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:45,359
footage to do that.

3182
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:46,960
>> That's all we know. Yeah. At this point,

3183
02:29:46,960 --> 02:29:49,280
yes, the answer is yes. And if we don't

3184
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:51,760
have enough area, there are

3185
02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:53,680
possibilities in adding additional area

3186
02:29:53,680 --> 02:29:55,920
to the building if we need to. But based

3187
02:29:55,920 --> 02:29:57,680
on our outlook, we have 2,000 square

3188
02:29:57,680 --> 02:29:59,120
feet more. It doesn't mean that it's

3189
02:29:59,120 --> 02:30:01,439
going to plan as efficiently as the

3190
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:03,600
original master plan, the approved

3191
02:30:03,600 --> 02:30:06,560
master plan. But I believe that yes, we

3192
02:30:06,560 --> 02:30:08,800
can accommodate it. And this next step,

3193
02:30:08,800 --> 02:30:10,640
this next three-month effort of

3194
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:13,520
schematic design will tell us that we'll

3195
02:30:13,520 --> 02:30:14,080
have much.

3196
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:15,920
>> Sorry. And that schematic design is

3197
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:19,120
basically to design a working modern

3198
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:22,080
fire, paramedic, police

3199
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:25,439
>> facility. and and working modern staff

3200
02:30:25,439 --> 02:30:28,080
offices and police department and

3201
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:31,120
because this to me is is the the fire

3202
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:32,960
piece of it is a critically important

3203
02:30:32,960 --> 02:30:36,240
piece, but this is a really important

3204
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:38,479
building for everybody, right? So, we

3205
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:43,840
got to talk about all the operations and really bring all of it all of it

3206
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:45,600
together. But the answer is yes.

3207
02:30:45,600 --> 02:30:47,280
>> Yeah. So, because there's been a lot of

3208
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:50,080
critical commentary that it cannot

3209
02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:51,200
support that. Yeah.

3210
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:53,439
>> So that's why there was no fire because

3211
02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:56,000
it could not do everything that you're

3212
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:58,160
saying it can do, which is there's not

3213
02:30:58,160 --> 02:31:00,720
enough room and the the building is too

3214
02:31:00,720 --> 02:31:03,040
small and the envelope was too small to

3215
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:04,880
support all of these functions that

3216
02:31:04,880 --> 02:31:07,920
you've now said that we can. So I I just

3217
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,319
again would love for you to confirm the

3218
02:31:10,319 --> 02:31:13,359
goal is to program this to support all

3219
02:31:13,359 --> 02:31:15,600
those functions and you believe that it

3220
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,359
can do that.

3221
02:31:17,359 --> 02:31:18,160
>> Yes.

3222
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:18,960
>> Okay. Thank you.

3223
02:31:18,960 --> 02:31:21,840
>> There you go. So, the last thing is I

3224
02:31:21,840 --> 02:31:24,399
brought my favorite flyer of all time,

3225
02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:28,080
which is the 2020 Town of Ross flyer

3226
02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:30,560
that went out to all residents about

3227
02:31:30,560 --> 02:31:32,560
what why we could not have a fire

3228
02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:34,880
station. And when it says, "What are the

3229
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:38,240
choices on the back?" It says, "For 14.6

3230
02:31:38,240 --> 02:31:40,240
million, we can relocate our fire staff

3231
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:42,399
to a neighboring station and not rebuild

3232
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:46,319
the fire station. For 28.4 million, we

3233
02:31:46,319 --> 02:31:48,319
can rebuild the fire station." So like

3234
02:31:48,319 --> 02:31:50,160
double the cost.

3235
02:31:50,160 --> 02:31:52,960
>> The plan that you have brought forward

3236
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:56,640
today is 23 million. It's even this 14.6

3237
02:31:56,640 --> 02:31:59,280
million according to the latest estimate

3238
02:31:59,280 --> 02:32:02,800
is now 25 million for this original

3239
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:05,680
concept. And you're saying you can build

3240
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:09,280
a fire station and do all of this for 23

3241
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:11,120
which is even less than the town flyer

3242
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:13,920
from 2020 said. How is that possible?

3243
02:32:13,920 --> 02:32:16,000
Well, I don't first of all I don't know

3244
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:17,920
because I have no idea what you're

3245
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:20,640
referring to. I think that in all the

3246
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:24,399
conversations that we've had that I

3247
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:27,359
think maybe and I think possibly Bob can

3248
02:32:27,359 --> 02:32:29,439
speak to this that the criteria that we

3249
02:32:29,439 --> 02:32:31,120
were looking at in terms of a fire

3250
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,359
station, the number of people that we

3251
02:32:33,359 --> 02:32:34,800
were going to have, how it was going to

3252
02:32:34,800 --> 02:32:36,720
be staffed, how it was going to be

3253
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:38,880
functioned, how it was going to function

3254
02:32:38,880 --> 02:32:40,800
is different than what I think we've

3255
02:32:40,800 --> 02:32:42,160
been talking about over the last two or

3256
02:32:42,160 --> 02:32:44,319
three months. It is a fire operation,

3257
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:48,160
but it isn't a full-blown fire station.

3258
02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:50,000
That's Bob. I don't know whether

3259
02:32:50,000 --> 02:32:54,000
>> Yeah, it'd be helpful because this this is was the crux in the matter in

3260
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,280
2020.

3261
02:32:55,280 --> 02:32:57,439
>> They said, well, we you know, for 14

3262
02:32:57,439 --> 02:32:59,920
million versus doubling the price, you

3263
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:02,399
know what? We can't afford that. But

3264
02:33:02,399 --> 02:33:04,240
your plan you're coming forward with

3265
02:33:04,240 --> 02:33:07,280
today is even less than this original

3266
02:33:07,280 --> 02:33:10,080
even with all the inflation that we So

3267
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,160
it and this is just to build it. This is

3268
02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:14,160
not operate it. This is just to build

3269
02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:16,399
it, which it said at the time was going

3270
02:33:16,399 --> 02:33:18,880
to be double. So, I I just I want to

3271
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:20,720
make sure because so many people are

3272
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:22,160
I've heard,

3273
02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:24,560
>> we can't afford to build it. We cannot

3274
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:26,560
afford to build a fire station. We can't

3275
02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:28,960
afford to build it. But this plan you're

3276
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,359
showing is actually very reasonable.

3277
02:33:31,359 --> 02:33:33,520
It's even less than that estimate back

3278
02:33:33,520 --> 02:33:36,640
then. So, I just want, you know,

3279
02:33:36,640 --> 02:33:38,319
sometimes people say things are too good

3280
02:33:38,319 --> 02:33:41,520
to to be true. So, I would love for you

3281
02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,760
to just say explain that because some

3282
02:33:43,760 --> 02:33:45,359
people will just be skeptical because

3283
02:33:45,359 --> 02:33:46,720
they've been told over.

3284
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:48,240
>> I don't I mean I I'm not sure I can

3285
02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:49,840
answer your questions, but I think a lot

3286
02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:51,359
of people take a lot of things out of

3287
02:33:51,359 --> 02:33:54,319
context, right? And so I think the

3288
02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:57,680
answer to the question is let's do the

3289
02:33:57,680 --> 02:34:00,960
next stage of planning, spend, you know,

3290
02:34:00,960 --> 02:34:02,560
it's not a lot of money. Let's do all

3291
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:04,160
the layouts and everything that needs to

3292
02:34:04,160 --> 02:34:08,000
be done to ensure that we meet the goals

3293
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:10,080
that you've outlined. Right. Right now

3294
02:34:10,080 --> 02:34:12,319
it's space. It's blocks of space. It

3295
02:34:12,319 --> 02:34:15,359
isn't a detailed analysis of equipment

3296
02:34:15,359 --> 02:34:16,800
requirements and everything else. And

3297
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:18,640
that does need to happen.

3298
02:34:18,640 --> 02:34:20,800
>> But the bids that you you talked about

3299
02:34:20,800 --> 02:34:23,120
that Ed Dong talked about are are those

3300
02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:25,840
like bonafideed? Are those I mean you

3301
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:28,560
got these bids, what what how how

3302
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:30,399
confident are you in those bids? Because

3303
02:34:30,399 --> 02:34:38,160
we we hear all the time that those these bids are are irrelevant. So well I the only answer I can give you is that

3304
02:34:38,160 --> 02:34:40,000
I'm confident based on the information

3305
02:34:40,000 --> 02:34:41,439
that we were given.

3306
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:42,000
>> Right. That's

3307
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:44,640
>> yeah I just just embellish that the

3308
02:34:44,640 --> 02:34:46,240
again the two contractors we work with

3309
02:34:46,240 --> 02:34:48,720
are two of the most renowned uh

3310
02:34:48,720 --> 02:34:51,520
regionally and you know billion dollar

3311
02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:55,359
plus plus uh annual volume. Uh you know

3312
02:34:55,359 --> 02:34:57,520
this is in their sweet spot. Uh, you

3313
02:34:57,520 --> 02:34:59,520
know, a build group just finished a

3314
02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:02,880
historic re uh restoration

3315
02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:06,479
uh was that it Huntington Hotel. I mean,

3316
02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:07,920
the list goes on. I mean, we did not

3317
02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:10,880
include for you the resume of all of all

3318
02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:15,120
the projects, the civic centers that each of these companies have done,

3319
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:16,960
but we have great confidence, first of

3320
02:35:16,960 --> 02:35:18,800
all, in the selection of contractors we

3321
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:21,600
talked to and the the drill down that

3322
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:25,600
they did in, you know, 24 25 different

3323
02:35:25,600 --> 02:35:27,520
uh components of construction and the

3324
02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:28,720
fact that they walked through that

3325
02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:31,840
building. So, we're we're confident with

3326
02:35:31,840 --> 02:35:34,399
that conceptual number. Absolutely.

3327
02:35:34,399 --> 02:35:36,720
>> Thank you.

3328
02:35:36,720 --> 02:35:41,840
Yeah, Terry, go ahead. Um, so if the

3329
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:44,960
town were to choose to vote for an

3330
02:35:44,960 --> 02:35:47,359
operating fire station, the staffing of

3331
02:35:47,359 --> 02:35:50,800
it, um, is flooding going to be an

3332
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:51,920
issue?

3333
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:52,560
>> Is what now?

3334
02:35:52,560 --> 02:35:54,880
>> Flooding.

3335
02:35:54,880 --> 02:35:57,680
>> Uh, the answer is potentially.

3336
02:35:57,680 --> 02:36:01,600
>> Yeah. um because the lower portion of

3337
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:03,359
those bays would still be in the flood

3338
02:36:03,359 --> 02:36:07,600
zone. If we raise the elevation of those

3339
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:09,920
pads in the bays by a foot, it helps to

3340
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:11,680
some extent, but it needs to go up by

3341
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:15,520
about 2 feet. Um so I think in a and I

3342
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:17,200
would say certainly in a severe

3343
02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:19,600
situation, it would make sense to move

3344
02:36:19,600 --> 02:36:22,080
that equipment, that truck and the EMS

3345
02:36:22,080 --> 02:36:25,359
vehicle to higher ground. So, but it but

3346
02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:28,160
with that said, um there are other

3347
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:31,520
mitigation that we're looking at, flood

3348
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:34,000
mitigation techniques that would get us

3349
02:36:34,000 --> 02:36:36,240
that extra foot, but I'm I'm there's no

3350
02:36:36,240 --> 02:36:37,120
guarantees.

3351
02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:37,680
>> Yeah,

3352
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:39,359
>> there's no guarantees. And I I think

3353
02:36:39,359 --> 02:36:41,280
that I mean, look at that's part of the

3354
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:43,040
compromise that we're talking about here

3355
02:36:43,040 --> 02:36:45,600
is that are we willing to compromise

3356
02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:48,000
that or not? Are we willing to

3357
02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:49,760
compromise the fact that one of the

3358
02:36:49,760 --> 02:36:52,479
driveways doesn't, you know, hit Laurel

3359
02:36:52,479 --> 02:36:55,280
Grove head on or not? Right. I do think

3360
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:58,800
there are risk mitigation efforts that

3361
02:36:58,800 --> 02:37:00,960
we can undertake to solve those

3362
02:37:00,960 --> 02:37:03,359
situations, but it isn't perfect.

3363
02:37:03,359 --> 02:37:03,680
>> Okay.

3364
02:37:03,680 --> 02:37:04,960
>> It isn't perfect. Right.

3365
02:37:04,960 --> 02:37:07,920
>> I notice that uh Chief Mahoney is here.

3366
02:37:07,920 --> 02:37:11,359
Chief, would

3367
02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:13,439
to be part of the Ross Valley Fire

3368
02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:17,520
District and we're talking about flood

3369
02:37:17,520 --> 02:37:19,760
control. How important is that for a

3370
02:37:19,760 --> 02:37:23,359
fire station, especially one that is

3371
02:37:23,359 --> 02:37:30,710
going to go through a renovation?

3372
02:37:30,720 --> 02:37:33,680
Yeah, I think um if you looked at the

3373
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:36,080
addendum that u Manager Johnson sent out

3374
02:37:36,080 --> 02:37:39,680
earlier or uh this afternoon, um all of

3375
02:37:39,680 --> 02:37:43,520
our fire station um engine rooms are are

3376
02:37:43,520 --> 02:37:47,040
in the flood zone. Um yes, we do have a

3377
02:37:47,040 --> 02:37:49,840
plan to move the the fire engines and we

3378
02:37:49,840 --> 02:37:52,960
have specific areas to move them. Um

3379
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:55,359
however, you know, it it is less than

3380
02:37:55,359 --> 02:37:57,359
ideal. you know, we deal with it because

3381
02:37:57,359 --> 02:37:59,680
that's that's what we were kind of given

3382
02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:02,560
through through the many many years. Uh

3383
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:04,479
I think it's also important to recognize

3384
02:38:04,479 --> 02:38:07,920
that we've probably uh moved equipment

3385
02:38:07,920 --> 02:38:11,680
and uh personal vehicles I would say

3386
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:14,000
maybe three to four times over the last

3387
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:17,359
five years because we we move them also

3388
02:38:17,359 --> 02:38:20,080
when it when there's um anticipated

3389
02:38:20,080 --> 02:38:22,240
flooding, not just uh we take a

3390
02:38:22,240 --> 02:38:24,160
proactive approach to it and we don't

3391
02:38:24,160 --> 02:38:26,640
move them obviously when the when the

3392
02:38:26,640 --> 02:38:28,880
water's coming up to the to the engine

3393
02:38:28,880 --> 02:38:32,160
room doors, but um we have, you know,

3394
02:38:32,160 --> 02:38:34,399
there is a significant amount like the

3395
02:38:34,399 --> 02:38:36,000
uh gentleman spoke here, there is a

3396
02:38:36,000 --> 02:38:39,040
significant amount of um rehab that

3397
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:41,600
needs to be done even even when an

3398
02:38:41,600 --> 02:38:45,120
engine room is flooded. But it's so it's something that's going to need to

3399
02:38:45,120 --> 02:38:47,280
kind of you know be at the hands of the

3400
02:38:47,280 --> 02:38:49,280
council to decide is is that what you

3401
02:38:49,280 --> 02:38:50,800
know is that what you're willing to

3402
02:38:50,800 --> 02:38:52,800
compromise with.

3403
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:55,040
>> So sorry just because you're up there um

3404
02:38:55,040 --> 02:38:58,240
Sleepy Hollow is just completing its uh

3405
02:38:58,240 --> 02:39:00,240
re redo, right? The remodel.

3406
02:39:00,240 --> 02:39:02,479
>> Yes. And those bays were not raised.

3407
02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:03,520
>> No.

3408
02:39:03,520 --> 02:39:05,040
>> Why? Why not?

3409
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:06,640
>> Um they weren't raised. I don't I think

3410
02:39:06,640 --> 02:39:08,319
because it functionally wasn't possible.

3411
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:10,240
The the fire stations built over the

3412
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:13,200
creek. So um there was a decision made

3413
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:16,000
by the town that um those engine bays

3414
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:19,439
would stay um in the flood zone and that

3415
02:39:19,439 --> 02:39:23,840
the remainder of the the building would be raised. And so, hey, so none of

3416
02:39:23,840 --> 02:39:27,439
the other uh our sister stations during

3417
02:39:27,439 --> 02:39:29,120
their I know Fairfax is doing a small

3418
02:39:29,120 --> 02:39:31,120
remodel of their housing essentially

3419
02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:36,319
part and the headquarters in Sano, all of them, their bays are within the

3420
02:39:36,319 --> 02:39:37,200
flood zone.

3421
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:38,880
>> All of them are within the flood zone.

3422
02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:41,520
The the Fairfax remodel isn't really

3423
02:39:41,520 --> 02:39:42,960
comparable to be honest with you. It's

3424
02:39:42,960 --> 02:39:45,359
an it's an upstairs remodel of of the

3425
02:39:45,359 --> 02:39:48,240
second floor, so it's in an an existing

3426
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:50,880
footprint. um there's no work being done

3427
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:52,479
downstairs or in the engine room. And

3428
02:39:52,479 --> 02:39:54,399
then for the fire station and fire

3429
02:39:54,399 --> 02:39:56,240
station 19, which is the one in San

3430
02:39:56,240 --> 02:39:58,800
Ando, that one was a remodel and that

3431
02:39:58,800 --> 02:40:01,760
was was mainly funded through FEMA to um

3432
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:07,120
to recuperate from the flooding that station actually incurred. So um

3433
02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:09,200
you know, unless we had other funds, we

3434
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:11,120
weren't going to be able to to to raise

3435
02:40:11,120 --> 02:40:13,920
the entire fire station. So while not

3436
02:40:13,920 --> 02:40:16,880
ideal, basically we're similar to all

3437
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:18,399
the other stations that would be in the

3438
02:40:18,399 --> 02:40:19,760
flood zone.

3439
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,439
>> Yes. Yeah, you're correct. It it is

3440
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:23,600
definitely not ideal, but all of the

3441
02:40:23,600 --> 02:40:25,120
other fire stations are within the flood

3442
02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:25,520
zone.

3443
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:30,150
>> Thank you,

3444
02:40:30,160 --> 02:40:31,920
» Rich. Do you want to elaborate on the

3445
02:40:31,920 --> 02:40:45,670
flood issue?

3446
02:40:45,680 --> 02:40:47,200
Yes, Mayor and Council Rich Simmonage,

3447
02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:49,840
public works director.

3448
02:40:49,840 --> 02:40:53,760
Um, elaborate on the flood issue. Uh,

3449
02:40:53,760 --> 02:40:57,760
so just to correct uh Dan's last

3450
02:40:57,760 --> 02:40:59,840
statement that or that they're all the

3451
02:40:59,840 --> 02:41:02,319
same, all four stations are the the same

3452
02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:04,960
with regards to a flood zone. That's not

3453
02:41:04,960 --> 02:41:08,160
entirely correct. Um,

3454
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:11,680
Sleepy Hollow, uh, Butterfield Road in

3455
02:41:11,680 --> 02:41:14,000
front of Sleepy Hollow is in a 100-year

3456
02:41:14,000 --> 02:41:17,439
flood plane. Um, Sanelmo Avenue in front

3457
02:41:17,439 --> 02:41:20,479
of the S downtown Sanelmo, it's a

3458
02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:22,160
actually in the regulatory floodway.

3459
02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:24,720
It's actually a high velocity river

3460
02:41:24,720 --> 02:41:26,720
during a flood.

3461
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:30,240
And the fire station in Fairfax,

3462
02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:33,840
I think it's Park Road, is also a

3463
02:41:33,840 --> 02:41:36,160
100red-year flood plane. The difference

3464
02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:40,399
with Ross is Sir Francis Drake Boulevard

3465
02:41:40,399 --> 02:41:42,800
is out of the flood plane.

3466
02:41:42,800 --> 02:41:46,389
So,

3467
02:41:46,399 --> 02:41:48,399
you would

3468
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:51,600
be compelled to

3469
02:41:51,600 --> 02:41:54,479
uh design your if you're going to be

3470
02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:58,560
designing a fire station in this site,

3471
02:41:58,560 --> 02:42:03,120
why wouldn't you have your flood your uh

3472
02:42:03,120 --> 02:42:06,319
equipment bays raised out of the flood

3473
02:42:06,319 --> 02:42:09,200
plane to access a roadway that's out of

3474
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:11,600
the flood plane. That's the major

3475
02:42:11,600 --> 02:42:14,479
difference between Ross

3476
02:42:14,479 --> 02:42:20,469
and the other Ross Valley fire stations.

3477
02:42:20,479 --> 02:42:25,040
Um to evaluate the flood situation here

3478
02:42:25,040 --> 02:42:28,479
in Ross with our equipment base,

3479
02:42:28,479 --> 02:42:31,840
there's uh three things, three entities

3480
02:42:31,840 --> 02:42:34,800
you need to consider. There's FEMA,

3481
02:42:34,800 --> 02:42:37,520
there's our own building code and flood

3482
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:39,359
plane ordinance,

3483
02:42:39,359 --> 02:42:41,520
and then there's the essential services

3484
02:42:41,520 --> 02:42:45,040
requirements for building a a fire

3485
02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:48,319
station. Uh FEMA

3486
02:42:48,319 --> 02:42:50,240
is more concerned with with public

3487
02:42:50,240 --> 02:42:53,200
safety and building integrity during a

3488
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:54,960
flood. They don't want they don't want

3489
02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:58,160
damaged structures, whether it's a

3490
02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:01,280
equipment bay or a residence or a

3491
02:43:01,280 --> 02:43:02,960
garage.

3492
02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:05,760
Uh they want living spaces built out of

3493
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:09,120
the one foot above the flood plane uh to

3494
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:12,479
minimize insurance claims. That's the

3495
02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:16,720
NFIP is all about insurance claims.

3496
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:19,120
the building code and the flood plane

3497
02:43:19,120 --> 02:43:23,030
ordinance,

3498
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:26,960
they require that the they would require

3499
02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:29,120
that the flood that the equipment bays

3500
02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:32,560
be raised out of the flood plane the the

3501
02:43:32,560 --> 02:43:35,840
2T above the 100year or at the 500year

3502
02:43:35,840 --> 02:43:37,680
if there's no other alternative

3503
02:43:37,680 --> 02:43:40,560
available. That's that's the

3504
02:43:40,560 --> 02:43:45,040
consideration. uh Sleepy Hollow, they

3505
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:47,200
didn't have to raise the base because

3506
02:43:47,200 --> 02:43:48,399
there's no other option. You can raise

3507
02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:49,920
them out of the flood plane mode.

3508
02:43:49,920 --> 02:43:51,520
Butterfield Road is in a 100red-year

3509
02:43:51,520 --> 02:43:54,640
flood plane. What's the point? Here in

3510
02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:58,160
Ross, that's what staff will be looking

3511
02:43:58,160 --> 02:44:00,960
at during the permit process.

3512
02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:03,840
We'll be looking for findings as to why

3513
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:06,560
it's not feasible

3514
02:44:06,560 --> 02:44:08,880
to

3515
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:12,479
build a new fire station or renovated

3516
02:44:12,479 --> 02:44:14,800
fire station where you have the

3517
02:44:14,800 --> 02:44:18,160
equipment bays uh out of the flood plane

3518
02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:20,240
accessing a major roadway that's also

3519
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:24,399
out of the flood plane. So we want to

3520
02:44:24,399 --> 02:44:27,520
staff would want to see reasons why

3521
02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:29,680
it's not that's not feasible and we want

3522
02:44:29,680 --> 02:44:32,160
to leave the equipment bays where we

3523
02:44:32,160 --> 02:44:35,040
where they are. So that's that's kind of

3524
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:38,710
the considerations.

3525
02:44:38,720 --> 02:44:39,200
» Thank you.

3526
02:44:39,200 --> 02:44:40,640
>> I have a question for Rich just while

3527
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:41,600
he's up there.

3528
02:44:41,600 --> 02:44:45,439
>> So when these bays were built in 1995

3529
02:44:45,439 --> 02:44:46,960
>> and they were I think three and a half

3530
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:50,960
million. Why was this not uh done back

3531
02:44:50,960 --> 02:44:53,439
then? Because we we obviously knew that

3532
02:44:53,439 --> 02:44:54,640
they were in the flood plane.

3533
02:44:54,640 --> 02:44:57,439
>> Yeah, that's a great question. Uh 1995

3534
02:44:57,439 --> 02:45:00,479
is what 13 years after the New Year's

3535
02:45:00,479 --> 02:45:04,080
Eve flood. Um

3536
02:45:04,080 --> 02:45:06,720
why we did that, I don't know. I I I've

3537
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:09,279
asked myself several times. We had an

3538
02:45:09,279 --> 02:45:12,319
opportunity back then to do it right. We

3539
02:45:12,319 --> 02:45:14,399
didn't. We have an opportunity now to do

3540
02:45:14,399 --> 02:45:18,000
it right. What are we going to do?

3541
02:45:18,000 --> 02:45:20,399
And I have a question about when that

3542
02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:23,120
decision gets made when when the staff

3543
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:25,439
would make the decision about whether we

3544
02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:28,800
would have to raise it two feet or not.

3545
02:45:28,800 --> 02:45:31,680
>> So again, it comes back to evaluating

3546
02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:33,279
the findings from the flood plane

3547
02:45:33,279 --> 02:45:35,040
administrator

3548
02:45:35,040 --> 02:45:38,080
uh the building official and it's it it

3549
02:45:38,080 --> 02:45:40,160
remains to some point a ministerial

3550
02:45:40,160 --> 02:45:43,600
decision. Um,

3551
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:45,760
I think it would need to be and I'm not

3552
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:47,760
fully familiar with a design review

3553
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:50,319
process, ADR and all of that, but I

3554
02:45:50,319 --> 02:45:53,600
think the the findings need to be

3555
02:45:53,600 --> 02:45:56,880
evaluated at some point like during the

3556
02:45:56,880 --> 02:46:00,319
planning process. So, that's where

3557
02:46:00,319 --> 02:46:04,160
council would hear, well, we can't do it

3558
02:46:04,160 --> 02:46:05,680
because

3559
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:07,439
XYZ.

3560
02:46:07,439 --> 02:46:09,920
um yeah, we could do this, but it

3561
02:46:09,920 --> 02:46:11,600
doesn't make sense or it's too expensive

3562
02:46:11,600 --> 02:46:14,399
because of ABC.

3563
02:46:14,399 --> 02:46:18,160
Then you evaluate that for the for the

3564
02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:19,840
planning permit, which comes before the

3565
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:22,240
building permit process. I think that's

3566
02:46:22,240 --> 02:46:24,319
the process we would uh we would go

3567
02:46:24,319 --> 02:46:28,550
through.

3568
02:46:28,560 --> 02:46:31,840
I I have one more followup and I think

3569
02:46:31,840 --> 02:46:35,120
Dan I it sounded like you said that the

3570
02:46:35,120 --> 02:46:37,840
if there were to be fire services down

3571
02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:41,200
the road it wouldn't be a full

3572
02:46:41,200 --> 02:46:44,399
fire like the other three stations and

3573
02:46:44,399 --> 02:46:46,319
maybe I may have misheard you. You were

3574
02:46:46,319 --> 02:46:50,630
referring to Bob.

3575
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:52,160
I'm not sure exactly what the question

3576
02:46:52,160 --> 02:46:53,520
is, but I

3577
02:46:53,520 --> 02:46:55,279
>> Well, I'm wondering if it's if it's

3578
02:46:55,279 --> 02:46:58,640
three people to an engine that's what's

3579
02:46:58,640 --> 02:46:59,600
being contemplated,

3580
02:46:59,600 --> 02:47:01,200
>> right? Yes, that's it.

3581
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:01,680
>> Great.

3582
02:47:01,680 --> 02:47:03,120
>> Right. And I think what we had before

3583
02:47:03,120 --> 02:47:05,040
was something much more substantial than

3584
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:07,359
that. I think I don't know.

3585
02:47:07,359 --> 02:47:10,640
>> Meaning planned before then or no?

3586
02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:11,840
>> I don't think so.

3587
02:47:11,840 --> 02:47:12,720
>> Okay. Thank you.

3588
02:47:12,720 --> 02:47:15,120
>> I mean, it's possible. I mean, I you

3589
02:47:15,120 --> 02:47:17,200
know, it would be a cost issue. I still

3590
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:19,920
think no matter what we do that is

3591
02:47:19,920 --> 02:47:21,359
single building makes the most sense

3592
02:47:21,359 --> 02:47:24,560
over the long run. Um

3593
02:47:24,560 --> 02:47:26,640
we could build it back end. We could

3594
02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:28,399
raise that roof. We could raise the

3595
02:47:28,399 --> 02:47:30,319
whole structure up if we have to. Those

3596
02:47:30,319 --> 02:47:32,880
things are feasible. It's not you know

3597
02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:34,960
it's it's a light frame construction.

3598
02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:38,319
It's not heavy, not steel, not I don't

3599
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:40,560
think it's concrete. Is it Ed? Is I

3600
02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:41,840
think it's all light. It's all light

3601
02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:43,600
frame. So it's all light frame. So

3602
02:47:43,600 --> 02:47:45,040
there's you know it would be a cost

3603
02:47:45,040 --> 02:47:46,800
consideration. But if we all said we

3604
02:47:46,800 --> 02:47:48,160
want to be out of the flood plane, we

3605
02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:51,279
got to raise that elevation by 2 feet.

3606
02:47:51,279 --> 02:47:52,960
I think the biggest question would be

3607
02:47:52,960 --> 02:47:54,720
more on the environmental side of the

3608
02:47:54,720 --> 02:47:57,840
equation and bringing the fill in and

3609
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:00,880
then how do we handle landscaping and

3610
02:48:00,880 --> 02:48:02,560
some of the other hardcape and that kind

3611
02:48:02,560 --> 02:48:04,000
of thing because it would create

3612
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:06,960
potentially a situation where you got to

3613
02:48:06,960 --> 02:48:09,439
get the trucks out and they got to be at

3614
02:48:09,439 --> 02:48:11,279
elevation coming out of the drives, but

3615
02:48:11,279 --> 02:48:13,200
then you really have to raise the whole

3616
02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:15,359
parking lot potentially. I think you

3617
02:48:15,359 --> 02:48:16,800
really got to play with it and try to

3618
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:19,040
figure out maybe there's ways to even

3619
02:48:19,040 --> 02:48:21,840
ramp the site so that parking areas

3620
02:48:21,840 --> 02:48:24,720
might be lower than some of the ramping

3621
02:48:24,720 --> 02:48:26,399
meaning just simply sloping the

3622
02:48:26,399 --> 02:48:28,800
driveways and such that you but you

3623
02:48:28,800 --> 02:48:30,319
could you could do it. We could build it

3624
02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:32,240
out of the flood plane. It's a I think

3625
02:48:32,240 --> 02:48:34,080
it essentially a cost issue more than

3626
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:37,120
anything else.

3627
02:48:37,120 --> 02:48:39,040
Just one one more question on that that

3628
02:48:39,040 --> 02:48:41,920
as lead agency don't we um have the

3629
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:44,479
ultimate decision authority on these

3630
02:48:44,479 --> 02:48:47,510
matters

3631
02:48:47,520 --> 02:48:49,680
and maybe it's for Roberta but I I mean

3632
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:51,680
we're the lead agency of this project

3633
02:48:51,680 --> 02:48:54,880
and we grant variances all the time so

3634
02:48:54,880 --> 02:48:55,520
that's

3635
02:48:55,520 --> 02:48:58,080
>> right but you again it comes to back to

3636
02:48:58,080 --> 02:49:01,680
feasibility if it's if it's in

3637
02:49:01,680 --> 02:49:04,160
determined to be not feasible then

3638
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:07,520
there's there's not so much of an issue

3639
02:49:07,520 --> 02:49:10,720
um as far as uh needing to raise it out

3640
02:49:10,720 --> 02:49:12,640
of the flood plane or do the the wet

3641
02:49:12,640 --> 02:49:14,160
flood proofing and that sort of thing.

3642
02:49:14,160 --> 02:49:17,359
So um and again that's that is going to

3643
02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:20,720
come I see that as being part of the

3644
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:23,439
planning process the uh the planning

3645
02:49:23,439 --> 02:49:25,200
permitting

3646
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:26,960
um

3647
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:30,240
so yeah maybe it is the question for

3648
02:49:30,240 --> 02:49:33,439
planning but um it's really kind of

3649
02:49:33,439 --> 02:49:37,439
unknown I think at at this point I it it

3650
02:49:37,439 --> 02:49:39,840
depends on what

3651
02:49:39,840 --> 02:49:41,840
well I mean it's a town project so we

3652
02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:43,359
would have to come up with the findings

3653
02:49:43,359 --> 02:49:45,520
ourselves elves

3654
02:49:45,520 --> 02:49:47,600
to convince the council that this is

3655
02:49:47,600 --> 02:49:51,600
something we want to do. It's at at some

3656
02:49:51,600 --> 02:49:53,120
point the project gets handed over to

3657
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:54,880
the town. It's a town project. It's a

3658
02:49:54,880 --> 02:49:56,560
town-owned

3659
02:49:56,560 --> 02:50:03,439
um building. Town's also lead agency in the SE SQA process.

3660
02:50:03,439 --> 02:50:06,160
How much do we want to be exposed during

3661
02:50:06,160 --> 02:50:07,920
the SUKA process? Do we want it really

3662
02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:09,760
tight? Do we want a EIR? Do we need an

3663
02:50:09,760 --> 02:50:13,520
EIR? I think we would at least need a

3664
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:16,399
mitigated negative deck because you have

3665
02:50:16,399 --> 02:50:19,120
cultural resources. You have I mean look

3666
02:50:19,120 --> 02:50:20,479
what happened with the spotted alice

3667
02:50:20,479 --> 02:50:22,240
just to get our bridges done. That

3668
02:50:22,240 --> 02:50:24,880
delayed the project six months. Winship

3669
02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:28,960
bridge cultural resources three years.

3670
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:33,040
Those things need to be all addressed by

3671
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:35,120
the town. We're lead agency and it's our

3672
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:39,269
project.

3673
02:50:39,279 --> 02:50:41,279
You know, when you mentioned town, I

3674
02:50:41,279 --> 02:50:43,359
mean, it's the council's I mean, we are

3675
02:50:43,359 --> 02:50:45,439
the town, the council, right? I mean, so

3676
02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:48,399
we delegate those decisions, but it's

3677
02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:50,399
the council ultimately that makes the

3678
02:50:50,399 --> 02:50:51,920
decisions.

3679
02:50:51,920 --> 02:50:55,830
>> That's correct.

3680
02:50:55,840 --> 02:51:03,110
» Bill, did you have something?

3681
02:51:03,120 --> 02:51:05,520
» I do. Let's see if I can figure out a

3682
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:08,080
way to say this. Um, so I think

3683
02:51:08,080 --> 02:51:09,760
education for the bond measure is

3684
02:51:09,760 --> 02:51:11,279
important.

3685
02:51:11,279 --> 02:51:14,319
Education of the community

3686
02:51:14,319 --> 02:51:16,880
for the bond measure is important. And

3687
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:20,560
one of the issues is that there's going

3688
02:51:20,560 --> 02:51:24,880
we're going to keep the bays in the back

3689
02:51:24,880 --> 02:51:28,399
for potentially a fire station.

3690
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:33,510
Okay. So

3691
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:36,399
there may or may not be a fire station,

3692
02:51:36,399 --> 02:51:40,479
right? Um and how do we make sure that

3693
02:51:40,479 --> 02:51:43,680
people understand that when they are

3694
02:51:43,680 --> 02:51:45,680
voting on this bond measure, it's for

3695
02:51:45,680 --> 02:51:49,279
the building, not the staffing. It's

3696
02:51:49,279 --> 02:51:53,120
just the building. And that space could

3697
02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:55,760
be used for many things.

3698
02:51:55,760 --> 02:51:57,600
How do we do that? How do we make sure

3699
02:51:57,600 --> 02:52:00,000
that we're transparent about that and

3700
02:52:00,000 --> 02:52:03,439
that there's no sort of miscommunication

3701
02:52:03,439 --> 02:52:06,560
that you built, you know, I I So anyway,

3702
02:52:06,560 --> 02:52:10,309
that's my question.

3703
02:52:10,319 --> 02:52:11,920
» You know, I find just telling the truth

3704
02:52:11,920 --> 02:52:14,560
usually works.

3705
02:52:14,560 --> 02:52:18,000
>> It does. So, you you bet there's going

3706
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:21,120
to have to be an aggressive, persuasive,

3707
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:23,680
>> serious education

3708
02:52:23,680 --> 02:52:25,920
um strategy

3709
02:52:25,920 --> 02:52:27,439
for the town. And we're going to have to

3710
02:52:27,439 --> 02:52:32,950
do it multiple times in multiple places.

3711
02:52:32,960 --> 02:52:34,720
» There's no elegant answer to that. It's

3712
02:52:34,720 --> 02:52:39,030
just hard work. You got to do it.

3713
02:52:39,040 --> 02:52:41,760
» Yes. But I'm saying we have to be honest

3714
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:44,960
that if you build this facility, which

3715
02:52:44,960 --> 02:52:47,359
is going to be beautiful, there is room

3716
02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:48,960
for

3717
02:52:48,960 --> 02:52:51,920
staff and trucks, but that's a

3718
02:52:51,920 --> 02:52:54,399
completely separate financial issue.

3719
02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:55,520
>> You bet it is.

3720
02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:57,439
>> Okay. And I I would want to make sure

3721
02:52:57,439 --> 02:52:59,520
that when people vote on the geo bond

3722
02:52:59,520 --> 02:53:02,080
that they're voting on the building and

3723
02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:03,840
not they don't think that they're going

3724
02:53:03,840 --> 02:53:06,560
to be getting an a working fire station

3725
02:53:06,560 --> 02:53:08,960
because that's a whole separate issue.

3726
02:53:08,960 --> 02:53:10,800
in all kinds of ways, not

3727
02:53:10,800 --> 02:53:12,560
the least of which is financial,

3728
02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:14,240
>> right? And can we say to people at the

3729
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:15,920
time if they say, "Oh, a fire station,

3730
02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:18,240
this is great." Um, what's it going to

3731
02:53:18,240 --> 02:53:20,240
cost us to staff it? Do we have that

3732
02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:21,120
information?

3733
02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:21,680
>> Sure.

3734
02:53:21,680 --> 02:53:23,359
>> And can we give that to people?

3735
02:53:23,359 --> 02:53:24,000
>> I'm sorry.

3736
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:25,520
>> And can we give that to people when they

3737
02:53:25,520 --> 02:53:27,439
ask, they say, "What's it going to cost

3738
02:53:27,439 --> 02:53:30,479
me to have the staff?"

3739
02:53:30,479 --> 02:53:31,920
I think it would be important for people

3740
02:53:31,920 --> 02:53:36,160
to know the January council meeting,

3741
02:53:36,160 --> 02:53:39,760
the fire consultants for both sides came

3742
02:53:39,760 --> 02:53:42,560
up with almost identical numbers.

3743
02:53:42,560 --> 02:53:45,680
>> It was, you know, a million and a half

3744
02:53:45,680 --> 02:53:49,120
bucks for a used truck

3745
02:53:49,120 --> 02:53:50,240
plus equipment.

3746
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:51,359
>> Mhm.

3747
02:53:51,359 --> 02:53:53,920
>> And then there were going to be three

3748
02:53:53,920 --> 02:53:57,120
guys per shift. So that's nine plus a

3749
02:53:57,120 --> 02:54:00,560
chief plus part-time

3750
02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:05,040
um clerical if I remember that correctly

3751
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:07,200
and that would start at around three and

3752
02:54:07,200 --> 02:54:08,800
a half million a year.

3753
02:54:08,800 --> 02:54:10,000
>> Mhm.

3754
02:54:10,000 --> 02:54:13,760
>> And it would and I specifically remember

3755
02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:16,160
um somebody in fact I think both of them

3756
02:54:16,160 --> 02:54:19,359
saying that the cost of living increase

3757
02:54:19,359 --> 02:54:22,399
on that particular segment is twice what

3758
02:54:22,399 --> 02:54:25,439
it is for consumer products.

3759
02:54:25,439 --> 02:54:27,279
So it's going to be an expensive

3760
02:54:27,279 --> 02:54:30,240
process. On year one,

3761
02:54:30,240 --> 02:54:34,080
it would be five plus million

3762
02:54:34,080 --> 02:54:36,560
and then three and a half million from

3763
02:54:36,560 --> 02:54:40,160
that point going forward.

3764
02:54:40,160 --> 02:54:42,479
Right? So it's not trivial and there's

3765
02:54:42,479 --> 02:54:44,240
this is not like a building. This goes

3766
02:54:44,240 --> 02:54:47,680
on for what a decade, two decades, I

3767
02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:50,479
don't know how many. Right? So it's a

3768
02:54:50,479 --> 02:54:51,600
ton of money.

3769
02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:53,279
>> It is a ton of money. And I think people

3770
02:54:53,279 --> 02:54:55,359
will want to know how does it affect

3771
02:54:55,359 --> 02:54:57,520
them personally? Like what is it going

3772
02:54:57,520 --> 02:54:58,800
to cost me?

3773
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:01,279
>> Well, it depends on it depends on how we

3774
02:55:01,279 --> 02:55:03,760
raise the money to do that. If there's a

3775
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:05,439
giant sugar daddy that comes in and

3776
02:55:05,439 --> 02:55:07,840
writes a huge check, no problem.

3777
02:55:07,840 --> 02:55:08,560
>> Perfect.

3778
02:55:08,560 --> 02:55:11,439
>> Right. There's a different kind of bond

3779
02:55:11,439 --> 02:55:14,560
issue called a melo bond which can be

3780
02:55:14,560 --> 02:55:18,479
used for services namely salaries and

3781
02:55:18,479 --> 02:55:21,040
the truck, right? But there's no end in

3782
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:22,960
sight to that.

3783
02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:25,439
And it's expensive.

3784
02:55:25,439 --> 02:55:26,160
>> Yes.

3785
02:55:26,160 --> 02:55:27,840
>> And of course, we could always raise the

3786
02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:30,399
public safety parcel tax. We would have

3787
02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:33,279
to raise it. We'd have to quintuple

3788
02:55:33,279 --> 02:55:35,120
that.

3789
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:36,880
And so now you're telling people, by the

3790
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:38,399
way, your parcel tax for the public

3791
02:55:38,399 --> 02:55:40,000
safety is now going to be approaching

3792
02:55:40,000 --> 02:55:42,240
$6,000 a year.

3793
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:43,520
>> You think they're going to like that?

3794
02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:47,279
No. So it is a real puzzle about how to

3795
02:55:47,279 --> 02:55:49,040
finance this thing. I've thought about

3796
02:55:49,040 --> 02:55:51,120
it a lot.

3797
02:55:51,120 --> 02:55:53,680
There's no easy way.

3798
02:55:53,680 --> 02:55:54,560
>> Thank you.

3799
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:58,160
>> So, I have one one more question. Um I

3800
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:00,240
it sounds like we need to hire bond

3801
02:56:00,240 --> 02:56:02,960
council too to help us draft the legal

3802
02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:05,520
documents and the description and and

3803
02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:10,560
where would that be on the timeline? Uh

3804
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:16,080
well, at some point before the the bond vote or maybe even slightly

3805
02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:20,319
after the actual timing um that I got

3806
02:56:20,319 --> 02:56:26,240
from Freriedman was once the um once the

3807
02:56:26,240 --> 02:56:29,680
vote has been taken and the twothirds

3808
02:56:29,680 --> 02:56:33,359
um threshold has been achieved, it's

3809
02:56:33,359 --> 02:56:34,880
going to take three months before the

3810
02:56:34,880 --> 02:56:39,040
bonds get issued. Right? There has to be

3811
02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:40,800
bond counsel. There has to be an

3812
02:56:40,800 --> 02:56:43,439
underwriter. There has to, you know, in

3813
02:56:43,439 --> 02:56:46,479
my term, an investment bank to do it. It

3814
02:56:46,479 --> 02:56:49,680
has to be rated by S&P standard and

3815
02:56:49,680 --> 02:56:52,160
force. And by the way, Freriedman thinks

3816
02:56:52,160 --> 02:56:54,880
that the town of Ross

3817
02:56:54,880 --> 02:56:57,600
um would get to double A plus possibly a

3818
02:56:57,600 --> 02:57:00,240
AAA rating.

3819
02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:03,920
And I also asked, by the way, uh this

3820
02:57:03,920 --> 02:57:06,880
was um to one of the Freriedman people.

3821
02:57:06,880 --> 02:57:10,479
I said, "How often is it that uh the a

3822
02:57:10,479 --> 02:57:15,200
wealthy town, so Ross, Piedmont, uh

3823
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:17,680
Athetherton, etc., how often is it that

3824
02:57:17,680 --> 02:57:20,080
the wealthy members of the town gobble

3825
02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:24,000
up the the bond offering frequently is

3826
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:26,880
the answer."

3827
02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:28,960
So,

3828
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:30,720
>> I was actually thinking who's going to

3829
02:57:30,720 --> 02:57:32,560
draft all this language that we have to

3830
02:57:32,560 --> 02:57:35,520
submit to the register of voters to get

3831
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:36,479
this on the ballot.

3832
02:57:36,479 --> 02:57:38,640
>> That's what that's what is all about.

3833
02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:40,399
>> Ben's office would do.

3834
02:57:40,399 --> 02:57:42,000
>> Okay, Ben. Good. Well, we already have

3835
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:43,279
you.

3836
02:57:43,279 --> 02:57:45,359
>> Well, it isn't going to be us.

3837
02:57:45,359 --> 02:57:47,120
>> No, I know. I just wondered if we needed

3838
02:57:47,120 --> 02:57:49,040
separate bond counsel. So, that's that's

3839
02:57:49,040 --> 02:57:50,640
good news. Elizabeth, did you want to

3840
02:57:50,640 --> 02:57:51,120
say something?

3841
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:53,600
>> Just one thing. How quickly, if the if

3842
02:57:53,600 --> 02:57:56,160
the council approves this plan, how

3843
02:57:56,160 --> 02:57:58,560
quickly can we hire an architect? I know

3844
02:57:58,560 --> 02:58:00,880
Christa set things in motion already

3845
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:05,120
with the RF cues.

3846
02:58:05,120 --> 02:58:08,399
>> Um, anyway, how quickly do you think we

3847
02:58:08,399 --> 02:58:15,030
can get an architect hired?

3848
02:58:15,040 --> 02:58:19,920
» I I have many things to say and when appropriate and I'd be happy to

3849
02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:21,520
respond to that and some other things.

3850
02:58:21,520 --> 02:58:25,279
Yeah, I think we should um maybe

3851
02:58:25,279 --> 02:58:29,279
wrap the questions up for this esteemed

3852
02:58:29,279 --> 02:58:31,760
committee and maybe take a five minute

3853
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:35,120
break and then come back and staff can

3854
02:58:35,120 --> 02:58:37,680
be asked questions or you know make

3855
02:58:37,680 --> 02:58:40,000
statements whatever and we can have

3856
02:58:40,000 --> 02:58:42,080
public comment and then we'll bring it

3857
02:58:42,080 --> 02:58:45,200
back for discussion and future actions.

3858
02:58:45,200 --> 02:58:47,200
>> Um mayor, may I just ask a quick

3859
02:58:47,200 --> 02:58:48,800
question clarifying question of the

3860
02:58:48,800 --> 02:58:51,279
team? Um

3861
02:58:51,279 --> 02:58:54,319
when in your cost estimates,

3862
02:58:54,319 --> 02:58:56,720
this is about the fire station. So I

3863
02:58:56,720 --> 02:58:59,680
understand that the cost estimates

3864
02:58:59,680 --> 02:59:02,319
include in this very conceptual design

3865
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:07,760
include space for a fire station

3866
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:10,960
and building. Is it correct to say it

3867
02:59:10,960 --> 02:59:13,920
includes costs related to the you know

3868
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:16,640
the building out of the shell? Does it

3869
02:59:16,640 --> 02:59:19,920
include all the tenant requirements

3870
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:23,760
that fire stations need such as you know

3871
02:59:23,760 --> 02:59:27,680
diesel exhaust systems etc etc. Is that

3872
02:59:27,680 --> 02:59:29,840
included in the cost estimate?

3873
02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:32,950
>> Yeah.

3874
02:59:32,960 --> 02:59:37,600
» Yes it is. Exhaust system ffony all it

3875
02:59:37,600 --> 02:59:39,680
uh communications. So yes it you

3876
02:59:39,680 --> 02:59:41,760
included the whole appliances the whole

3877
02:59:41,760 --> 02:59:43,359
fit out.

3878
02:59:43,359 --> 02:59:46,319
>> Thank you.

3879
02:59:46,319 --> 02:59:48,080
Okay. So, let's take a five minute break

3880
02:59:48,080 --> 02:59:51,359
and resume at 9:08.

3881
02:59:51,359 --> 03:08:44,870
Thank you.

3882
03:08:44,880 --> 03:08:46,080
I think we got out of

3883
03:08:46,080 --> 03:08:53,830
>> Let's get started.

3884
03:08:53,840 --> 03:08:56,560
Um, okay. We're gonna we're going to

3885
03:08:56,560 --> 03:09:00,640
start with um questions andor comments

3886
03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:02,960
that um staff has. Do people have

3887
03:09:02,960 --> 03:09:07,750
questions for staff?

3888
03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:11,040
» Yeah. Uh you know, I just want to make a

3889
03:09:11,040 --> 03:09:14,800
comment. We um obviously Christa, we saw

3890
03:09:14,800 --> 03:09:17,760
you sent an email at four four o'clock

3891
03:09:17,760 --> 03:09:20,160
with a lot of a lot of meaty staff

3892
03:09:20,160 --> 03:09:23,520
report and unfortunately it's just it's

3893
03:09:23,520 --> 03:09:26,160
not enough time I think for for me at

3894
03:09:26,160 --> 03:09:28,720
least to digest so much of um

3895
03:09:28,720 --> 03:09:31,600
information and I appreciate very much

3896
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:34,240
that you were trying to get to us some

3897
03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:36,160
of your thoughts.

3898
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:38,000
I I I don't know how you guys feel, but

3899
03:09:38,000 --> 03:09:43,279
I almost feel like this we all know this is a concept and there's a lot of

3900
03:09:43,279 --> 03:09:45,680
details to be worked out still and it

3901
03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:49,520
might be helpful to sort of get to that

3902
03:09:49,520 --> 03:09:50,960
next stage where they're working with

3903
03:09:50,960 --> 03:09:53,920
staff and then come back to us when

3904
03:09:53,920 --> 03:09:55,279
because there's so many things that

3905
03:09:55,279 --> 03:09:56,960
you've pointed out in your your your

3906
03:09:56,960 --> 03:09:59,200
assessment that are just un unanswered

3907
03:09:59,200 --> 03:10:02,160
yet because it sounds like staff and the committee haven't really worked

3908
03:10:02,160 --> 03:10:04,080
together yet. So, I don't know how

3909
03:10:04,080 --> 03:10:06,960
helpful it is really to go through all

3910
03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:09,279
the this I mean, welcome to hear it. I'm

3911
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:11,439
just saying it it seems so premature

3912
03:10:11,439 --> 03:10:14,720
right now that I I would prefer that we

3913
03:10:14,720 --> 03:10:16,479
sort of move forward and see if we all

3914
03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:18,800
want this and then let you guys work it

3915
03:10:18,800 --> 03:10:20,080
out and then come back to us with

3916
03:10:20,080 --> 03:10:22,800
staff's comments because there's just so

3917
03:10:22,800 --> 03:10:24,479
much unknown right now and none of us

3918
03:10:24,479 --> 03:10:26,399
have really had a chance to go through

3919
03:10:26,399 --> 03:10:34,230
your your detailed staff report.

3920
03:10:34,240 --> 03:10:36,880
Maybe you could hit the the high the

3921
03:10:36,880 --> 03:10:41,680
high notes of what you sent us. And um

3922
03:10:41,680 --> 03:10:44,000
you know, my main question is what what

3923
03:10:44,000 --> 03:10:46,720
would be your recommended next steps

3924
03:10:46,720 --> 03:10:49,840
>> going forward to try to continue to

3925
03:10:49,840 --> 03:10:53,359
advance the ball, maybe try to appease

3926
03:10:53,359 --> 03:10:55,279
the fourth people with dropping the

3927
03:10:55,279 --> 03:10:56,960
initiative. I don't know if that's

3928
03:10:56,960 --> 03:10:59,520
possible given when we're going to get

3929
03:10:59,520 --> 03:11:02,160
actual cost information, which seems

3930
03:11:02,160 --> 03:11:04,319
like after the deadline for filing a

3931
03:11:04,319 --> 03:11:06,399
general obligation bond for a November

3932
03:11:06,399 --> 03:11:09,520
election. Um, but maybe Christa, you

3933
03:11:09,520 --> 03:11:12,000
know, you can give us some concrete

3934
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:14,960
steps that we can take.

3935
03:11:14,960 --> 03:11:16,720
>> Sure. Um, thank you, Mayor and Council,

3936
03:11:16,720 --> 03:11:18,960
and and thank you to the um the

3937
03:11:18,960 --> 03:11:20,479
committee for all the substantial amount

3938
03:11:20,479 --> 03:11:22,880
of work that you've done. And I'm super

3939
03:11:22,880 --> 03:11:25,040
excited about what I saw tonight. And

3940
03:11:25,040 --> 03:11:27,760
you know, the idea of of of as Miss

3941
03:11:27,760 --> 03:11:30,000
Buckingham had described to me last week

3942
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:33,040
of tightening up the site and and

3943
03:11:33,040 --> 03:11:36,000
building up and I just want to uh bring

3944
03:11:36,000 --> 03:11:38,000
it to the council's attention that, you

3945
03:11:38,000 --> 03:11:39,600
know, 3 to four years ago when the

3946
03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:41,439
council was working on this uh

3947
03:11:41,439 --> 03:11:42,880
facilities master plan, that was

3948
03:11:42,880 --> 03:11:45,040
actually one of the options that the

3949
03:11:45,040 --> 03:11:47,200
architectural firm KPA that was working

3950
03:11:47,200 --> 03:11:49,359
on this brought to the council along

3951
03:11:49,359 --> 03:11:51,760
with a cost estimate and the council's

3952
03:11:51,760 --> 03:11:53,439
feedback and the community feedback at

3953
03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:55,680
the time was that it was it was too

3954
03:11:55,680 --> 03:11:58,160
expensive. So, I just wanted to remind

3955
03:11:58,160 --> 03:11:59,920
you and a couple of you were not on the

3956
03:11:59,920 --> 03:12:02,800
council then that this idea was was

3957
03:12:02,800 --> 03:12:06,880
brought forward and absolutely let's evaluate it again if that's what

3958
03:12:06,880 --> 03:12:10,399
the council wants to do. Um,

3959
03:12:10,399 --> 03:12:14,479
and I'm, you know, I'm overjoyed at the

3960
03:12:14,479 --> 03:12:17,520
uh at the the interest and the passion

3961
03:12:17,520 --> 03:12:20,640
the committee has on being able to help

3962
03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:23,680
um to to be a to advocate for any

3963
03:12:23,680 --> 03:12:26,399
measure that goes to the community

3964
03:12:26,399 --> 03:12:28,880
because it I know Ben's going to like it

3965
03:12:28,880 --> 03:12:30,560
when I say this is that, you know, we

3966
03:12:30,560 --> 03:12:33,120
cannot we cannot advocate once this goes

3967
03:12:33,120 --> 03:12:36,000
on a ballot. This the town cannot

3968
03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:38,160
advocate for this. We can educate but we

3969
03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:40,640
cannot advocate. So the importance of

3970
03:12:40,640 --> 03:12:43,359
having a community group that has

3971
03:12:43,359 --> 03:12:46,880
already proven how skilled they are at

3972
03:12:46,880 --> 03:12:51,279
engaging the community and um it to be

3973
03:12:51,279 --> 03:12:57,439
behind this is just you know I'm super excited about that. Um I wanted

3974
03:12:57,439 --> 03:13:00,399
just to make a couple of um uh

3975
03:13:00,399 --> 03:13:03,200
clarifications for the council. Um, this

3976
03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:04,800
is just a little thing, but as you're

3977
03:13:04,800 --> 03:13:08,000
looking at timelines, the date by which

3978
03:13:08,000 --> 03:13:10,399
we have to have the council would have

3979
03:13:10,399 --> 03:13:13,840
to um take action on ballot measures for

3980
03:13:13,840 --> 03:13:15,279
November, and that's going to include

3981
03:13:15,279 --> 03:13:17,359
the RVPA ballot measure that'll be

3982
03:13:17,359 --> 03:13:20,240
coming forward to for you to discuss in

3983
03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:21,840
June. The date deadline is actually

3984
03:13:21,840 --> 03:13:24,399
August 7th, not August 8th. So, just

3985
03:13:24,399 --> 03:13:26,319
want to make sure you aware of that. And

3986
03:13:26,319 --> 03:13:28,560
I was wanted to also clarify and remind

3987
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:33,120
the council when um when Jeff was um was

3988
03:13:33,120 --> 03:13:35,040
stating about answering council member

3989
03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:37,359
Dowling's questions about the costs of

3990
03:13:37,359 --> 03:13:40,080
staffing. This information was provided

3991
03:13:40,080 --> 03:13:42,000
to the council last January as part of

3992
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:45,040
the election code report and that three

3993
03:13:45,040 --> 03:13:48,399
and a half figure million figure that

3994
03:13:48,399 --> 03:13:51,520
Jeff commented on that is in addition to

3995
03:13:51,520 --> 03:13:54,720
what we already pay. So on an ongoing

3996
03:13:54,720 --> 03:13:57,600
basis, we would have to pay that plus

3997
03:13:57,600 --> 03:13:59,920
what we have we've already committed to

3998
03:13:59,920 --> 03:14:02,160
pay to Ross Valley Fire Department. Now

3999
03:14:02,160 --> 03:14:05,040
I understand certain people believe that

4000
03:14:05,040 --> 03:14:07,760
we could perhaps negotiate that down,

4001
03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:10,479
but it's still in addition to what we

4002
03:14:10,479 --> 03:14:13,120
already pay to have fire service

4003
03:14:13,120 --> 03:14:17,600
provided to our community. Um so we you

4004
03:14:17,600 --> 03:14:20,239
know we didn't we as staff did not we

4005
03:14:20,239 --> 03:14:24,000
didn't have much time to um provide our

4006
03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:27,040
um just initial evaluations and kind of

4007
03:14:27,040 --> 03:14:30,960
similar to what happened last year when

4008
03:14:30,960 --> 03:14:33,520
um the fourth group provided us with

4009
03:14:33,520 --> 03:14:35,439
information to put into the agenda

4010
03:14:35,439 --> 03:14:38,319
packet. They provided it at 400 p.m. on

4011
03:14:38,319 --> 03:14:40,960
New Year's Eve and we had to get out the

4012
03:14:40,960 --> 03:14:44,080
agenda packet on January 2nd. this was

4013
03:14:44,080 --> 03:14:46,160
for your January 8th meeting. So,

4014
03:14:46,160 --> 03:14:48,720
especially over the holidays and because

4015
03:14:48,720 --> 03:14:50,560
we're we don't have many staff, we have

4016
03:14:50,560 --> 03:14:52,960
we really depend on the consultants that

4017
03:14:52,960 --> 03:14:55,680
we had hired to do that report. We

4018
03:14:55,680 --> 03:14:57,760
didn't have much time to put together

4019
03:14:57,760 --> 03:15:00,479
information for the council in advance.

4020
03:15:00,479 --> 03:15:03,120
We did put together information to

4021
03:15:03,120 --> 03:15:05,120
provide at the council meeting in a

4022
03:15:05,120 --> 03:15:08,160
PowerPoint, but we were um the council

4023
03:15:08,160 --> 03:15:10,880
and our town attorney did not allow me

4024
03:15:10,880 --> 03:15:12,720
to provide that information. So I

4025
03:15:12,720 --> 03:15:15,760
provided that information after the

4026
03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:17,200
meeting, a couple weeks after the

4027
03:15:17,200 --> 03:15:18,720
meeting if you recall and that

4028
03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:20,560
information is available on the website.

4029
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:24,319
So this time I thought let's even though

4030
03:15:24,319 --> 03:15:27,040
we just got the information um last week

4031
03:15:27,040 --> 03:15:29,920
and it was it you know there were

4032
03:15:29,920 --> 03:15:31,359
differences between what's in the

4033
03:15:31,359 --> 03:15:33,040
packet, what went into your agenda

4034
03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:35,200
packet that you received on Friday and

4035
03:15:35,200 --> 03:15:37,439
what was shown today.

4036
03:15:37,439 --> 03:15:39,680
I did the best I can to just try to get

4037
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:41,520
some information to the council, some

4038
03:15:41,520 --> 03:15:46,640
initial observations. And so I um sent

4039
03:15:46,640 --> 03:15:49,120
it to you, as council member Salter um

4040
03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:51,279
stated, it was sent very late this

4041
03:15:51,279 --> 03:15:53,120
afternoon. Did the best I can to get it

4042
03:15:53,120 --> 03:15:55,359
out. It's available on the website. And

4043
03:15:55,359 --> 03:15:59,840
what I did was just identify a series of

4044
03:15:59,840 --> 03:16:04,479
issues or concerns that the council

4045
03:16:04,479 --> 03:16:08,160
needs to take a look at before you

4046
03:16:08,160 --> 03:16:11,040
consider amending your facil's master

4047
03:16:11,040 --> 03:16:14,080
plan. And so, um, you know, this item is

4048
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:15,680
not before you as an action item

4049
03:16:15,680 --> 03:16:18,160
tonight. So, absolutely take a look at

4050
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:20,479
that. I'm you feel free to call me with

4051
03:16:20,479 --> 03:16:24,319
any questions you have. Um,

4052
03:16:24,319 --> 03:16:27,439
the other clarification I wanted to say,

4053
03:16:27,439 --> 03:16:30,560
so I'm again super excited about what

4054
03:16:30,560 --> 03:16:32,640
what's been put together, super excited

4055
03:16:32,640 --> 03:16:35,920
about the the passion of this group and

4056
03:16:35,920 --> 03:16:39,439
very willing as we go through this

4057
03:16:39,439 --> 03:16:42,080
design process to work with this

4058
03:16:42,080 --> 03:16:45,200
committee or um, and I've been speaking

4059
03:16:45,200 --> 03:16:47,200
with my colleagues around the state who

4060
03:16:47,200 --> 03:16:48,960
have gone through these processes for

4061
03:16:48,960 --> 03:16:52,000
major civic public buildings.

4062
03:16:52,000 --> 03:16:56,960
is um sometimes uh uh councils set up a

4063
03:16:56,960 --> 03:16:59,279
subcommittee of them of their own of

4064
03:16:59,279 --> 03:17:03,680
their own members um to help work on uh

4065
03:17:03,680 --> 03:17:05,520
you know the selection of an architect

4066
03:17:05,520 --> 03:17:08,000
and and working on a design and and

4067
03:17:08,000 --> 03:17:10,640
working on um you know during the

4068
03:17:10,640 --> 03:17:12,319
construction process because there's

4069
03:17:12,319 --> 03:17:14,640
always going to be changes made all that

4070
03:17:14,640 --> 03:17:16,319
kind of stuff. So sometimes councils

4071
03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:18,720
choose to do that. Sometimes councils

4072
03:17:18,720 --> 03:17:23,600
choose to um establish um committee um

4073
03:17:23,600 --> 03:17:25,920
committee groups such as the one that um

4074
03:17:25,920 --> 03:17:27,520
you know they established themselves.

4075
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:28,960
This was not put together by the

4076
03:17:28,960 --> 03:17:31,359
council. Sometimes that community group

4077
03:17:31,359 --> 03:17:33,520
would be established for a specific

4078
03:17:33,520 --> 03:17:35,520
purpose. I was speaking with somebody

4079
03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:37,200
today where a city in Southern

4080
03:17:37,200 --> 03:17:39,680
California used a community group to

4081
03:17:39,680 --> 03:17:42,399
help them choose an architect. And then

4082
03:17:42,399 --> 03:17:44,800
that community group once that architect

4083
03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:47,120
was was chosen and a contract was put

4084
03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:49,520
into place then that community group

4085
03:17:49,520 --> 03:17:52,160
ended and it went back to a staff

4086
03:17:52,160 --> 03:17:54,640
working with those consultants and and

4087
03:17:54,640 --> 03:17:58,960
the council. Um and then of course the architectural firms usually have

4088
03:17:58,960 --> 03:18:01,600
extensive public out outreach components

4089
03:18:01,600 --> 03:18:06,080
of their contracts. So, um,

4090
03:18:06,080 --> 03:18:08,160
the other clarification,

4091
03:18:08,160 --> 03:18:10,000
so, so there are those different kinds

4092
03:18:10,000 --> 03:18:12,560
of options that that council could use

4093
03:18:12,560 --> 03:18:21,760
to still draw on the expertise of the citizens committee and expertise of other people in the community that

4094
03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:25,279
you you might wish to be uh involved in

4095
03:18:25,279 --> 03:18:27,840
this process as we go forward. But

4096
03:18:27,840 --> 03:18:29,439
another one of the clarifications I

4097
03:18:29,439 --> 03:18:32,880
wanted to make is um that Mayor Prom

4098
03:18:32,880 --> 03:18:36,080
Robbins asked of the committee members

4099
03:18:36,080 --> 03:18:38,880
is she asked earlier in the meeting

4100
03:18:38,880 --> 03:18:42,080
tonight why why would this need to go to

4101
03:18:42,080 --> 03:18:43,520
staff? Why, you know, the committee's

4102
03:18:43,520 --> 03:18:45,040
doing a great job. Why wouldn't they

4103
03:18:45,040 --> 03:18:52,160
just go forward? And um there there are quite a few reasons why. and

4104
03:18:52,160 --> 03:18:56,640
you operate under as 95% of the cities

4105
03:18:56,640 --> 03:18:58,880
in the in this nation operate under a

4106
03:18:58,880 --> 03:19:02,080
council town manager form of government

4107
03:19:02,080 --> 03:19:04,080
that is explicitly stated in your

4108
03:19:04,080 --> 03:19:06,399
municipal code and your council adopted

4109
03:19:06,399 --> 03:19:11,200
guidelines. So you cannot hand this off

4110
03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:14,960
to a community group to do and have them

4111
03:19:14,960 --> 03:19:18,560
just and have me and my team, right?

4112
03:19:18,560 --> 03:19:21,120
Town staff report to me, consultants

4113
03:19:21,120 --> 03:19:24,319
report to me and just have us serve as

4114
03:19:24,319 --> 03:19:27,680
resources. That's that's not allowed

4115
03:19:27,680 --> 03:19:30,479
under your council manager form of

4116
03:19:30,479 --> 03:19:31,920
government.

4117
03:19:31,920 --> 03:19:35,359
certain aspects of this are that also is

4118
03:19:35,359 --> 03:19:39,279
not allowed under state law. It's we

4119
03:19:39,279 --> 03:19:42,560
have there are procurement processes

4120
03:19:42,560 --> 03:19:45,600
especially when it comes to major public

4121
03:19:45,600 --> 03:19:49,040
works projects such as this that um our

4122
03:19:49,040 --> 03:19:50,479
town attorney and our public works

4123
03:19:50,479 --> 03:19:52,479
director would be more articulate to

4124
03:19:52,479 --> 03:19:55,680
describe if the council needs that. So,

4125
03:19:55,680 --> 03:19:58,000
and then in addition, I want to remind

4126
03:19:58,000 --> 03:20:00,560
you, you also have an I have an

4127
03:20:00,560 --> 03:20:03,279
employment agreement with the town. You

4128
03:20:03,279 --> 03:20:07,200
set policy. You I have to bring forward

4129
03:20:07,200 --> 03:20:10,319
I implement policy. I bring forward

4130
03:20:10,319 --> 03:20:13,200
contracts. I bring forward contracts and

4131
03:20:13,200 --> 03:20:16,960
I that are reviewed and oftentimes um uh

4132
03:20:16,960 --> 03:20:19,520
written by the town attorney. But that

4133
03:20:19,520 --> 03:20:21,680
that's how this works. And so I don't

4134
03:20:21,680 --> 03:20:24,640
want you to be under

4135
03:20:24,640 --> 03:20:27,359
I want you to understand and remind you

4136
03:20:27,359 --> 03:20:33,279
that absolutely this group welcome their expertise

4137
03:20:33,279 --> 03:20:36,399
in any way that the council wants that

4138
03:20:36,399 --> 03:20:39,760
to happen. But this is a town project

4139
03:20:39,760 --> 03:20:44,080
that would be run by staff. And we have

4140
03:20:44,080 --> 03:20:47,200
to go to the council in many ways. any

4141
03:20:47,200 --> 03:20:49,840
contract over $50,000 has to go to the

4142
03:20:49,840 --> 03:20:52,720
town council. Um,

4143
03:20:52,720 --> 03:20:56,720
so to answer your question, mayor, about

4144
03:20:56,720 --> 03:21:00,000
what I see the next steps being,

4145
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:04,080
this is how so we re we um the council

4146
03:21:04,080 --> 03:21:07,279
approved our request for qualifications

4147
03:21:07,279 --> 03:21:09,600
for architectural and engineering firms

4148
03:21:09,600 --> 03:21:13,200
and an affordable housing partner to

4149
03:21:13,200 --> 03:21:16,640
work with. Those submitts were due on

4150
03:21:16,640 --> 03:21:20,080
April 3rd. We received 10 for the

4151
03:21:20,080 --> 03:21:22,000
architectural engineering and we

4152
03:21:22,000 --> 03:21:25,040
received two for the affordable housing

4153
03:21:25,040 --> 03:21:27,359
partners and I sent the names uh to the

4154
03:21:27,359 --> 03:21:31,760
council a few a few weeks ago. Um

4155
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:34,560
we um

4156
03:21:34,560 --> 03:21:37,600
staff has been evaluating them as best

4157
03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:40,080
we can keeping in mind that we had your

4158
03:21:40,080 --> 03:21:42,560
annual budget meeting last week. We had

4159
03:21:42,560 --> 03:21:45,359
to put together this meeting in two

4160
03:21:45,359 --> 03:21:47,760
weeks before we originally thought this

4161
03:21:47,760 --> 03:21:52,399
meeting was going to be. And um so um

4162
03:21:52,399 --> 03:21:55,439
what I have done I am um so we received

4163
03:21:55,439 --> 03:21:57,200
the 10 submitts to the request for

4164
03:21:57,200 --> 03:21:58,880
qualifications. We've begun our

4165
03:21:58,880 --> 03:22:01,840
evaluation. Um I'm in the process of

4166
03:22:01,840 --> 03:22:05,920
hiring a firm that will serve as um an

4167
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:08,479
owner's representative for this project.

4168
03:22:08,479 --> 03:22:11,120
This is something that just about every

4169
03:22:11,120 --> 03:22:14,479
city, large or small, ends up doing

4170
03:22:14,479 --> 03:22:17,680
because we don't have the staff that is

4171
03:22:17,680 --> 03:22:21,040
that um we don't have the staff

4172
03:22:21,040 --> 03:22:24,479
expertise to do uh what is needed to be

4173
03:22:24,479 --> 03:22:27,120
done. So, I'm going to start off because

4174
03:22:27,120 --> 03:22:29,520
remember I I have to take we do have a

4175
03:22:29,520 --> 03:22:32,319
budget in the current fiscal year to do

4176
03:22:32,319 --> 03:22:35,439
some some work, but I'm going to need uh

4177
03:22:35,439 --> 03:22:38,239
anything over $50,000 I need to come to

4178
03:22:38,239 --> 03:22:40,080
you. But I do have some money in the

4179
03:22:40,080 --> 03:22:43,600
budget to hire um this firm that is very

4180
03:22:43,600 --> 03:22:46,479
experienced that um I can hire them on a

4181
03:22:46,479 --> 03:22:49,520
t time and materials basis with the with

4182
03:22:49,520 --> 03:22:54,319
the uh the priority being to help us

4183
03:22:54,319 --> 03:22:57,040
evaluate these submitts and one of the

4184
03:22:57,040 --> 03:22:59,520
submitts was Gendler. Gendler was one of

4185
03:22:59,520 --> 03:23:02,880
the submitts. So to be able to um

4186
03:23:02,880 --> 03:23:06,399
evaluate this, they work with cities up

4187
03:23:06,399 --> 03:23:09,920
and down the state that can help us um

4188
03:23:09,920 --> 03:23:13,200
come up with some options. So, I could

4189
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:16,880
bring forward to the council um we could

4190
03:23:16,880 --> 03:23:19,760
uh an option an evaluation option

4191
03:23:19,760 --> 03:23:22,720
because as I mentioned some cities might

4192
03:23:22,720 --> 03:23:24,640
want to have a couple of other people

4193
03:23:24,640 --> 03:23:27,120
from either maybe a subcommittee of the

4194
03:23:27,120 --> 03:23:29,200
council or a few people from the

4195
03:23:29,200 --> 03:23:31,840
community or perhaps Miss Buckingham,

4196
03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:34,239
she's on your ADR kind of look at these

4197
03:23:34,239 --> 03:23:37,439
architectural these submitts and help us

4198
03:23:37,439 --> 03:23:41,200
narrow it down to two or three or some

4199
03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:44,880
um manageable um number to bring forward

4200
03:23:44,880 --> 03:23:46,560
to the council for you to view. I want

4201
03:23:46,560 --> 03:23:49,200
to remind you this contract for an

4202
03:23:49,200 --> 03:23:51,600
architectural engineering firm is going

4203
03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:56,080
to be one and a half to $2 million and I

4204
03:23:56,080 --> 03:23:58,960
look to Mr. Weiny for confirmation that

4205
03:23:58,960 --> 03:24:00,720
that's kind of in the

4206
03:24:00,720 --> 03:24:02,080
>> That's correct.

4207
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:02,880
>> Yeah.

4208
03:24:02,880 --> 03:24:04,239
>> Thank you.

4209
03:24:04,239 --> 03:24:06,319
I think it's one of the reasons that it

4210
03:24:06,319 --> 03:24:09,520
might be beneficial to potentially break

4211
03:24:09,520 --> 03:24:11,760
it up and to at least get into

4212
03:24:11,760 --> 03:24:13,359
schematics and then

4213
03:24:13,359 --> 03:24:15,200
>> get some clarification because I think

4214
03:24:15,200 --> 03:24:16,560
that number

4215
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:18,000
>> both from an architectural and

4216
03:24:18,000 --> 03:24:20,160
engineering standpoint standpoint could

4217
03:24:20,160 --> 03:24:20,720
be

4218
03:24:20,720 --> 03:24:22,080
>> tightened up. Right. The more

4219
03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:23,200
information the better.

4220
03:24:23,200 --> 03:24:24,239
>> Yeah.

4221
03:24:24,239 --> 03:24:27,600
>> So, um I will

4222
03:24:27,600 --> 03:24:30,000
so I'm you know the council meets once a

4223
03:24:30,000 --> 03:24:32,239
month. Um, I know that there are there

4224
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:34,880
are several uh time constraints in the

4225
03:24:34,880 --> 03:24:37,120
month of May. I know of a council member

4226
03:24:37,120 --> 03:24:39,520
who has as a constraint and I know that

4227
03:24:39,520 --> 03:24:41,520
a couple members of this committee have

4228
03:24:41,520 --> 03:24:45,120
constraints in May, but um so this gives

4229
03:24:45,120 --> 03:24:48,160
us time through the month of May to work

4230
03:24:48,160 --> 03:24:50,239
on this evaluation.

4231
03:24:50,239 --> 03:24:52,880
Your next meeting is June 11th. come

4232
03:24:52,880 --> 03:24:55,439
forward at that meeting with, I don't

4233
03:24:55,439 --> 03:24:58,800
know, a short list or

4234
03:24:58,800 --> 03:25:01,439
recommendation or or a couple of options

4235
03:25:01,439 --> 03:25:03,200
on how to how to conduct this

4236
03:25:03,200 --> 03:25:06,960
evaluation, then we're going to need to

4237
03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:10,720
spend quite a bit of time coming up with

4238
03:25:10,720 --> 03:25:14,000
a scope of work because a $2 million

4239
03:25:14,000 --> 03:25:16,319
scope of work, we don't we don't want to

4240
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:19,520
have uh a lot of these infamous change

4241
03:25:19,520 --> 03:25:21,359
orders, which don't just apply to

4242
03:25:21,359 --> 03:25:23,840
contractors. They apply to architects

4243
03:25:23,840 --> 03:25:28,229
and I'm going to look to Mr. Whiny.

4244
03:25:28,239 --> 03:25:28,720
» Yes.

4245
03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:30,640
>> But yes, the answer is do we need a

4246
03:25:30,640 --> 03:25:32,560
detailed scope of work?

4247
03:25:32,560 --> 03:25:35,200
>> Yes. And the more detailed the better,

4248
03:25:35,200 --> 03:25:37,279
right? And the more information the

4249
03:25:37,279 --> 03:25:39,040
better because then we're going to get

4250
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:40,880
good numbers and we're going to have

4251
03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:45,120
close any gaps or any holes because many

4252
03:25:45,120 --> 03:25:48,239
architects will not ask questions

4253
03:25:48,239 --> 03:25:50,479
because they know that there's missing

4254
03:25:50,479 --> 03:25:53,040
aspects of the scope which allows them

4255
03:25:53,040 --> 03:25:54,880
and an engineer and other consultants

4256
03:25:54,880 --> 03:25:57,279
that come back later and say, "Oh, well

4257
03:25:57,279 --> 03:25:59,200
that's an additional service. Oh, you

4258
03:25:59,200 --> 03:26:00,880
didn't tell us that." So I think

4259
03:26:00,880 --> 03:26:02,800
spending the time to really go through

4260
03:26:02,800 --> 03:26:05,520
and hammer out a very detailed scope is

4261
03:26:05,520 --> 03:26:07,279
going to be really beneficial. It's good

4262
03:26:07,279 --> 03:26:09,200
for the consultants as well. Right.

4263
03:26:09,200 --> 03:26:13,279
>> Okay. Thank you. So um so that process

4264
03:26:13,279 --> 03:26:15,359
is going to take time and then

4265
03:26:15,359 --> 03:26:18,080
absolutely a $2 million contract. This

4266
03:26:18,080 --> 03:26:20,880
needs to come to the council. And one of

4267
03:26:20,880 --> 03:26:22,960
the things that I haven't heard much of

4268
03:26:22,960 --> 03:26:24,800
this evening,

4269
03:26:24,800 --> 03:26:28,399
public input. You you had a lot of

4270
03:26:28,399 --> 03:26:30,239
public input. you had a year's worth of

4271
03:26:30,239 --> 03:26:32,239
public input when you put together your

4272
03:26:32,239 --> 03:26:34,720
facility's master plan. You need to have

4273
03:26:34,720 --> 03:26:37,359
public input on amending your master

4274
03:26:37,359 --> 03:26:40,160
plan. And of course, this group has you

4275
03:26:40,160 --> 03:26:42,479
guys have been meeting um you have not

4276
03:26:42,479 --> 03:26:45,200
had public input at your meetings.

4277
03:26:45,200 --> 03:26:47,680
You I'm sure have a good feel for what a

4278
03:26:47,680 --> 03:26:49,200
lot of members of the public, but you

4279
03:26:49,200 --> 03:26:50,880
haven't you you have to ask you have to

4280
03:26:50,880 --> 03:26:53,600
give people the opportunity to come and

4281
03:26:53,600 --> 03:26:56,080
speak to the council and provide input.

4282
03:26:56,080 --> 03:26:59,840
So um and then so we need to get an

4283
03:26:59,840 --> 03:27:02,399
architect on board. We get an architect

4284
03:27:02,399 --> 03:27:04,000
on board the AR and the one of the first

4285
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:06,000
things the architect could do okay

4286
03:27:06,000 --> 03:27:08,080
schematic designs but they could also

4287
03:27:08,080 --> 03:27:09,520
the council needs you're going to need

4288
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:12,880
to amend your facilities master plan and

4289
03:27:12,880 --> 03:27:15,359
I identified in my memo this afternoon

4290
03:27:15,359 --> 03:27:16,960
some things that need to be worked out.

4291
03:27:16,960 --> 03:27:19,200
I'm very confident that we can spend

4292
03:27:19,200 --> 03:27:23,520
time working those things out and um and

4293
03:27:23,520 --> 03:27:26,720
then to get to and we absolutely agree

4294
03:27:26,720 --> 03:27:29,200
that you know in in order to get to kind

4295
03:27:29,200 --> 03:27:32,399
of that 30% schematic design drawings.

4296
03:27:32,399 --> 03:27:34,000
That's what we need in order to be able

4297
03:27:34,000 --> 03:27:36,640
to get that cost estimate that will then

4298
03:27:36,640 --> 03:27:39,120
help us you know a more specific cost

4299
03:27:39,120 --> 03:27:41,200
instead of a range. a more specific cost

4300
03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:44,800
estimate that then we can turn over to

4301
03:27:44,800 --> 03:27:48,319
our town attorney's office and to come

4302
03:27:48,319 --> 03:27:50,239
up with that language for a ballot

4303
03:27:50,239 --> 03:27:53,680
measure and be and and at the same time

4304
03:27:53,680 --> 03:27:55,600
concurrently we need to be working on

4305
03:27:55,600 --> 03:27:57,279
getting an environmental consultant on

4306
03:27:57,279 --> 03:27:59,359
board

4307
03:27:59,359 --> 03:28:04,720
and we need to be working with um with

4308
03:28:04,720 --> 03:28:07,120
political consultants

4309
03:28:07,120 --> 03:28:10,720
with um um bond council with our town

4310
03:28:10,720 --> 03:28:13,600
attorney's office, our town treasurer

4311
03:28:13,600 --> 03:28:18,080
working on um coming up with crafting a

4312
03:28:18,080 --> 03:28:21,279
measure that ultimately the council

4313
03:28:21,279 --> 03:28:24,160
needs to you need to take action to put

4314
03:28:24,160 --> 03:28:27,840
this on the on the ballot. So, um that

4315
03:28:27,840 --> 03:28:29,920
is not going to happen in time for you

4316
03:28:29,920 --> 03:28:32,239
to make the November agenda November

4317
03:28:32,239 --> 03:28:34,800
ballot. I was really happy to learn

4318
03:28:34,800 --> 03:28:37,600
today that you can do it. I know there's

4319
03:28:37,600 --> 03:28:40,000
some I know the c some council members

4320
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:41,200
have talked about, you know, it's

4321
03:28:41,200 --> 03:28:42,560
probably better to do it a general

4322
03:28:42,560 --> 03:28:44,640
election, but you can do it a special

4323
03:28:44,640 --> 03:28:46,880
election. There's four special elections

4324
03:28:46,880 --> 03:28:50,080
next year. Um, and I think that there's

4325
03:28:50,080 --> 03:28:51,680
a lot there's a lot of work to be done

4326
03:28:51,680 --> 03:28:54,160
in this coming in this coming summer and

4327
03:28:54,160 --> 03:28:56,319
fall fall. And I know we can all roll up

4328
03:28:56,319 --> 03:28:58,960
our sleeves and get it done. And I'm

4329
03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:01,040
excited about this idea. I just want to

4330
03:29:01,040 --> 03:29:04,239
make sure that this plan, as Mr. Weine

4331
03:29:04,239 --> 03:29:06,319
said in the beginning of his comments of

4332
03:29:06,319 --> 03:29:09,840
this presentation is this plan needs to

4333
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:12,319
meet the operational

4334
03:29:12,319 --> 03:29:16,160
objectives of our town departments

4335
03:29:16,160 --> 03:29:19,680
because you are going to be using I mean

4336
03:29:19,680 --> 03:29:22,880
whether it's 22 to 26 to you're going to

4337
03:29:22,880 --> 03:29:26,720
be using a ton of public funds

4338
03:29:26,720 --> 03:29:28,720
to build this project. It has to be done

4339
03:29:28,720 --> 03:29:30,720
well and it has to meet the needs of our

4340
03:29:30,720 --> 03:29:33,040
organization and we provide services to

4341
03:29:33,040 --> 03:29:36,560
the community. So I think that was was

4342
03:29:36,560 --> 03:29:37,840
that giving you an eye that's kind of

4343
03:29:37,840 --> 03:29:39,840
what I'm looking at as being a a

4344
03:29:39,840 --> 03:29:41,520
timeline. Um

4345
03:29:41,520 --> 03:29:42,560
>> that's helpful.

4346
03:29:42,560 --> 03:29:44,160
>> Okay.

4347
03:29:44,160 --> 03:29:44,880
Thank you.

4348
03:29:44,880 --> 03:29:46,479
>> Um

4349
03:29:46,479 --> 03:29:49,040
is does anyone have any questions other

4350
03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:50,880
questions for Christa or should we move

4351
03:29:50,880 --> 03:29:53,520
on to public comment?

4352
03:29:53,520 --> 03:29:55,920
Let's move on to public comment. Anybody

4353
03:29:55,920 --> 03:29:59,040
in the um chamber who would like to make

4354
03:29:59,040 --> 03:30:12,309
public comment?

4355
03:30:12,319 --> 03:30:15,279
» Good evening. Uh Michael Rosenb 14

4356
03:30:15,279 --> 03:30:18,000
Avenue Ross. Madame Mayor and fellow

4357
03:30:18,000 --> 03:30:19,600
council members, first of all, thank you

4358
03:30:19,600 --> 03:30:22,479
to the citizens advisory committee. I'm

4359
03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:25,040
here to express my profound concern over

4360
03:30:25,040 --> 03:30:28,399
the path for has forced upon our town,

4361
03:30:28,399 --> 03:30:31,760
especially now that the uh the citizens

4362
03:30:31,760 --> 03:30:34,399
advisory committee report makes it clear

4363
03:30:34,399 --> 03:30:36,800
that the end result was inevitable. This

4364
03:30:36,800 --> 03:30:38,720
ad hoc report serves as a formal

4365
03:30:38,720 --> 03:30:41,120
acknowledgement of FORF's own admission.

4366
03:30:41,120 --> 03:30:43,120
Staffing and maintaining a fully

4367
03:30:43,120 --> 03:30:45,840
functional fire department at the Ross

4368
03:30:45,840 --> 03:30:48,960
Civics complex is no longer a realistic

4369
03:30:48,960 --> 03:30:52,080
objective. For almost a year, FORF has

4370
03:30:52,080 --> 03:30:54,239
disseminated misinformation that has

4371
03:30:54,239 --> 03:30:56,640
fractured our community and compromised

4372
03:30:56,640 --> 03:30:59,359
the town of Ross's standing with various

4373
03:30:59,359 --> 03:31:02,960
Marin County agencies. As a result,

4374
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:05,520
significant taxpayer resources and

4375
03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:06,880
administrative efforts have been

4376
03:31:06,880 --> 03:31:09,920
squandered on evaluated proposal and a

4377
03:31:09,920 --> 03:31:11,520
ballot initiative that were proven

4378
03:31:11,520 --> 03:31:13,920
untenable from the start.

4379
03:31:13,920 --> 03:31:15,680
In my view as a Ross resident,

4380
03:31:15,680 --> 03:31:17,600
accountability is essential and should

4381
03:31:17,600 --> 03:31:19,439
start with a formal written apology from

4382
03:31:19,439 --> 03:31:21,600
fourth. Furthermore, considering their

4383
03:31:21,600 --> 03:31:23,760
status as a 501c4,

4384
03:31:23,760 --> 03:31:25,840
I strongly encourage the town of Ross to

4385
03:31:25,840 --> 03:31:27,840
demand a full restitution of all

4386
03:31:27,840 --> 03:31:29,760
municipal expenses from fourth financial

4387
03:31:29,760 --> 03:31:31,920
reserves. The people of Ross are

4388
03:31:31,920 --> 03:31:33,600
entitled to a swift resolution to this

4389
03:31:33,600 --> 03:31:35,760
matter, beginning with a public apology

4390
03:31:35,760 --> 03:31:38,560
and complete financial reimbursement.

4391
03:31:38,560 --> 03:31:40,239
While it is my hope that Fourth can

4392
03:31:40,239 --> 03:31:41,840
persuade their supporters to endorse the

4393
03:31:41,840 --> 03:31:44,319
town's bond financing, such an outcome

4394
03:31:44,319 --> 03:31:47,600
may prove elusive. Once their community

4395
03:31:47,600 --> 03:31:49,600
realizes they have been misled and

4396
03:31:49,600 --> 03:31:51,520
realizes there's no new fire engine is

4397
03:31:51,520 --> 03:31:53,760
forthcoming, nor will the response time

4398
03:31:53,760 --> 03:31:56,080
lessen in the foreseeable future. Fourth

4399
03:31:56,080 --> 03:31:57,920
may find their support increasingly

4400
03:31:57,920 --> 03:32:00,640
untenable. Although council members are

4401
03:32:00,640 --> 03:32:02,160
restricted from responding during public

4402
03:32:02,160 --> 03:32:04,319
comments, I believe that council members

4403
03:32:04,319 --> 03:32:05,840
Salter and Robins should take this

4404
03:32:05,840 --> 03:32:08,319
opportunity to officially express regret

4405
03:32:08,319 --> 03:32:10,640
for enabling actions that disregarded

4406
03:32:10,640 --> 03:32:12,800
prior council mandates and for their

4407
03:32:12,800 --> 03:32:14,319
association with the dissemination of

4408
03:32:14,319 --> 03:32:16,720
unreliable information that needlessly

4409
03:32:16,720 --> 03:32:21,590
drew out this process.

4410
03:32:21,600 --> 03:32:24,479
» Thank you. Anyone else in the chamber

4411
03:32:24,479 --> 03:32:31,030
for public comment?

4412
03:32:31,040 --> 03:32:44,150
No one's online.

4413
03:32:44,160 --> 03:32:48,960
» Sorry. Um, two two things. Um, I think

4414
03:32:48,960 --> 03:32:52,000
we should, we don't have a resolution or

4415
03:32:52,000 --> 03:32:55,120
a vote, but I think we should each opine

4416
03:32:55,120 --> 03:33:00,000
about whether we like this concept or we

4417
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:02,560
want to go with a different concept. And

4418
03:33:02,560 --> 03:33:05,120
then two, and we can break this up if if

4419
03:33:05,120 --> 03:33:08,080
we want. Um, two,

4420
03:33:08,080 --> 03:33:10,640
does the does the next steps that

4421
03:33:10,640 --> 03:33:12,640
Christa has outlined, do those make

4422
03:33:12,640 --> 03:33:14,319
sense?

4423
03:33:14,319 --> 03:33:17,600
Um, so I will I can go first. I love the

4424
03:33:17,600 --> 03:33:20,160
concept. I think it's beautiful. I I

4425
03:33:20,160 --> 03:33:23,359
think it, you know, it's the building is

4426
03:33:23,359 --> 03:33:27,120
gorgeous. It's a legacy building. I

4427
03:33:27,120 --> 03:33:30,800
think you you the committee nailed what

4428
03:33:30,800 --> 03:33:33,840
needed to happen. Um and I'm confident

4429
03:33:33,840 --> 03:33:37,040
that a lot of the issues that are

4430
03:33:37,040 --> 03:33:40,560
unresolved can be resolved um by staff

4431
03:33:40,560 --> 03:33:43,840
working collectively, collaboratively.

4432
03:33:43,840 --> 03:33:46,640
Um, in terms of next steps, um, I would

4433
03:33:46,640 --> 03:33:48,399
like to get an architect hired as soon

4434
03:33:48,399 --> 03:33:50,800
as possible. Maybe we could have a

4435
03:33:50,800 --> 03:33:53,359
special meeting if, um, if we're

4436
03:33:53,359 --> 03:33:54,960
prepared to have a special meeting in

4437
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:58,479
early June to to get going. Um, I I

4438
03:33:58,479 --> 03:34:00,880
don't see how, unfortunately, we can

4439
03:34:00,880 --> 03:34:05,279
make the, um, the November ballot. I and

4440
03:34:05,279 --> 03:34:08,239
I don't want to be I don't want to have

4441
03:34:08,239 --> 03:34:10,000
missteps. I don't want to have to ask

4442
03:34:10,000 --> 03:34:12,880
the voters later um, for more money. I

4443
03:34:12,880 --> 03:34:15,359
don't want to have this blown in an

4444
03:34:15,359 --> 03:34:17,040
election. I think we want to do this

4445
03:34:17,040 --> 03:34:19,520
once and we want to do it really well.

4446
03:34:19,520 --> 03:34:24,640
Um, so I I I think that's Yeah. Next

4447
03:34:24,640 --> 03:34:27,520
steps. Okay.

4448
03:34:27,520 --> 03:34:28,800
Can I just say ditto?

4449
03:34:28,800 --> 03:34:31,920
>> No. Okay. Um, I actually love the

4450
03:34:31,920 --> 03:34:33,920
conceptual design. I love the one

4451
03:34:33,920 --> 03:34:36,880
building. I think that's I love it being

4452
03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:39,200
double story. I think it's going to be

4453
03:34:39,200 --> 03:34:42,160
beautiful in relationship to the housing

4454
03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:44,560
that's going to be close by. Um there's

4455
03:34:44,560 --> 03:34:47,040
so many advantages to the design that's

4456
03:34:47,040 --> 03:34:53,760
been set out and I I too agree that we can I think by having uh the staff

4457
03:34:53,760 --> 03:34:57,200
work with some of the the citizens to

4458
03:34:57,200 --> 03:34:59,840
come up to to work through some of the

4459
03:34:59,840 --> 03:35:02,239
problems, we'll get through them. I'm

4460
03:35:02,239 --> 03:35:05,359
confident we can do that. Um, and I

4461
03:35:05,359 --> 03:35:07,439
think we most likely I also think that

4462
03:35:07,439 --> 03:35:09,359
the steps that Christa outlined are

4463
03:35:09,359 --> 03:35:11,200
important. I think one of the other

4464
03:35:11,200 --> 03:35:13,680
steps might be that we need to have a

4465
03:35:13,680 --> 03:35:16,720
chat with paramedics.

4466
03:35:16,720 --> 03:35:19,439
Yeah. So that we can bring them along so

4467
03:35:19,439 --> 03:35:22,239
that they're part of this and see the

4468
03:35:22,239 --> 03:35:24,560
value and the beauty of this one

4469
03:35:24,560 --> 03:35:33,030
building. So yeah.

4470
03:35:33,040 --> 03:35:38,000
Yes, agree with these comments. Great, job. Thank you so much, everyone.

4471
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:40,720
Uh, makes a lot of sense. I'm I'm fully

4472
03:35:40,720 --> 03:35:43,120
supportive of the concept

4473
03:35:43,120 --> 03:35:45,760
and, uh, like Julie and Terry, I think

4474
03:35:45,760 --> 03:35:47,439
that we have issues that can be worked

4475
03:35:47,439 --> 03:35:50,880
out. Skeptical about the time frame. I

4476
03:35:50,880 --> 03:35:52,560
hope we can have it on the November

4477
03:35:52,560 --> 03:35:55,600
ballot. Um,

4478
03:35:55,600 --> 03:35:58,000
that that would be more desirable uh,

4479
03:35:58,000 --> 03:35:59,680
for a couple of reasons. I think it has

4480
03:35:59,680 --> 03:36:01,920
a better chance actually of passing on

4481
03:36:01,920 --> 03:36:05,920
the November ballot. U but um if we

4482
03:36:05,920 --> 03:36:08,160
can't, we can. We'll we'll shoot for as

4483
03:36:08,160 --> 03:36:10,960
soon as we can next year. Uh but

4484
03:36:10,960 --> 03:36:13,520
otherwise, no, I'm I'm fully in favor of

4485
03:36:13,520 --> 03:36:16,880
moving it ahead and uh getting

4486
03:36:16,880 --> 03:36:19,120
architects on board and getting a

4487
03:36:19,120 --> 03:36:21,120
consultant to help us get the right

4488
03:36:21,120 --> 03:36:24,000
architects and the right proposal and

4489
03:36:24,000 --> 03:36:26,800
whatever else we need to do. Um, in the

4490
03:36:26,800 --> 03:36:30,950
meantime,

4491
03:36:30,960 --> 03:36:33,760
» so it's baseball season, everybody, and

4492
03:36:33,760 --> 03:36:37,040
my two boys play a lot of baseball. And

4493
03:36:37,040 --> 03:36:39,439
uh, this this whole situation reminds me

4494
03:36:39,439 --> 03:36:42,960
of the Kirk Gibson home run in 1988

4495
03:36:42,960 --> 03:36:46,720
where uh, Vince Scolley said, "In a year

4496
03:36:46,720 --> 03:36:49,520
that was so improbable,

4497
03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:53,120
the impossible has happened." So, first

4498
03:36:53,120 --> 03:36:55,439
I want to thank this committee for

4499
03:36:55,439 --> 03:36:57,760
coming together and making the

4500
03:36:57,760 --> 03:37:00,720
impossible possible.

4501
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:03,040
Um, there's been a lot of discussion

4502
03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:05,439
about the fire station

4503
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:07,600
and that I I there's all these issues

4504
03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:09,920
that get conflated, but the first and

4505
03:37:09,920 --> 03:37:11,439
foremost issue that had to be solved

4506
03:37:11,439 --> 03:37:15,359
piece by piece was is it possible to

4507
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:18,000
rebuild? Okay, if you can't rebuild it,

4508
03:37:18,000 --> 03:37:19,359
there's really no point in anything

4509
03:37:19,359 --> 03:37:22,319
else. And the the answer before us today

4510
03:37:22,319 --> 03:37:25,840
is 100% we can rebuild a fire station

4511
03:37:25,840 --> 03:37:28,640
here. It can fit and it's cost-effective

4512
03:37:28,640 --> 03:37:32,479
to build it. And that uh was not really

4513
03:37:32,479 --> 03:37:35,439
uh answered up until before your

4514
03:37:35,439 --> 03:37:37,279
committee formed. It was told that this

4515
03:37:37,279 --> 03:37:39,520
was absolutely impossible. So, first of

4516
03:37:39,520 --> 03:37:43,840
all, thank you for coming together and and explaining that. I also want to

4517
03:37:43,840 --> 03:37:46,399
thank the friends of the Ross Firehouse

4518
03:37:46,399 --> 03:37:48,720
for their and the members on this

4519
03:37:48,720 --> 03:37:52,080
committee. uh Bob Herps and Ed Dong for

4520
03:37:52,080 --> 03:37:55,520
bringing forth to this community this

4521
03:37:55,520 --> 03:37:58,800
notion that this is possible, okay? That

4522
03:37:58,800 --> 03:38:01,040
it's possible, that you can build this

4523
03:38:01,040 --> 03:38:02,720
fire station and you could afford it

4524
03:38:02,720 --> 03:38:04,640
because again, this community was ready

4525
03:38:04,640 --> 03:38:07,200
to demolish everything around us and

4526
03:38:07,200 --> 03:38:10,880
move forward. And that um that

4527
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:13,600
perseverance is so important in a

4528
03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:16,399
community that cares so deeply about

4529
03:38:16,399 --> 03:38:18,160
this issue. And so I really want to

4530
03:38:18,160 --> 03:38:23,600
thank the members of that that group for fighting all the way here.

4531
03:38:23,600 --> 03:38:27,520
The last uh point I want to make is it's

4532
03:38:27,520 --> 03:38:30,080
very nice because we we said there's a

4533
03:38:30,080 --> 03:38:32,880
shell of a building, but maybe it will

4534
03:38:32,880 --> 03:38:34,720
have a fire station, maybe it won't. I

4535
03:38:34,720 --> 03:38:36,640
don't know. And so everybody loves the

4536
03:38:36,640 --> 03:38:42,000
shell. Well, there's a talk about this this ballot initiative. I actually

4537
03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:44,000
think it's great we have it because you

4538
03:38:44,000 --> 03:38:46,160
guys keep working your your way through

4539
03:38:46,160 --> 03:38:49,439
it. We can have the the town vote and

4540
03:38:49,439 --> 03:38:51,359
decide what which plan they want. Do

4541
03:38:51,359 --> 03:38:53,279
they want the fire station or not in

4542
03:38:53,279 --> 03:38:55,200
November. It's not that far away to

4543
03:38:55,200 --> 03:38:57,200
really make that decision and put this

4544
03:38:57,200 --> 03:38:59,279
to bed. And it will be a Democratic

4545
03:38:59,279 --> 03:39:01,120
vote. Everybody will have their say.

4546
03:39:01,120 --> 03:39:03,040
Everybody would say, "I can't afford it.

4547
03:39:03,040 --> 03:39:04,720
We can't afford the operations."

4548
03:39:04,720 --> 03:39:06,880
Whatever your opinion may be, let the

4549
03:39:06,880 --> 03:39:09,439
people vote and then it will be done

4550
03:39:09,439 --> 03:39:11,279
because we will have said instead of us

4551
03:39:11,279 --> 03:39:13,760
five trying to read and understand what

4552
03:39:13,760 --> 03:39:15,439
everyone says, they get to vote and

4553
03:39:15,439 --> 03:39:16,960
inform us and then we move forward and

4554
03:39:16,960 --> 03:39:18,720
say that the democratic process happened

4555
03:39:18,720 --> 03:39:21,040
and nobody wanted it. So we we built a

4556
03:39:21,040 --> 03:39:23,120
senior center. But if they do want a

4557
03:39:23,120 --> 03:39:24,479
fire station, then I think we need to

4558
03:39:24,479 --> 03:39:26,800
accept that and use the programming and

4559
03:39:26,800 --> 03:39:28,720
the time to to come together to make

4560
03:39:28,720 --> 03:39:32,319
that a reality. So I view the uh ballot

4561
03:39:32,319 --> 03:39:33,920
initiative again. Thank you friends of

4562
03:39:33,920 --> 03:39:35,439
Ross Firehouse and thank you to all the

4563
03:39:35,439 --> 03:39:37,120
people that signed that petition because

4564
03:39:37,120 --> 03:39:39,359
I think it's a useful tool in this

4565
03:39:39,359 --> 03:39:42,080
process going forward to get what the

4566
03:39:42,080 --> 03:39:44,800
people really really want out of this.

4567
03:39:44,800 --> 03:39:47,680
So again, just to summarize, thank you

4568
03:39:47,680 --> 03:39:49,680
from, you know, as a citizen, thank you

4569
03:39:49,680 --> 03:39:53,680
so much. We are so lucky to have the

4570
03:39:53,680 --> 03:39:55,920
resources in this room and on this

4571
03:39:55,920 --> 03:39:59,120
committee. It's unbelievable. And it's

4572
03:39:59,120 --> 03:40:01,040
something I've said for a long time. We

4573
03:40:01,040 --> 03:40:03,520
need to stop uh just staying using our

4574
03:40:03,520 --> 03:40:06,239
staff and staff is so small on this

4575
03:40:06,239 --> 03:40:08,560
town, but the resources of the town's

4576
03:40:08,560 --> 03:40:10,880
people is so big. Let's tap those

4577
03:40:10,880 --> 03:40:13,359
resources. Let's continue to use them.

4578
03:40:13,359 --> 03:40:15,760
And you see the magic that can happen in

4579
03:40:15,760 --> 03:40:18,160
two months. I know it's a long way to

4580
03:40:18,160 --> 03:40:20,239
go, but if they can do this much in two

4581
03:40:20,239 --> 03:40:22,399
months, I can see this really coming

4582
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:25,200
together in a very short time. So, thank

4583
03:40:25,200 --> 03:40:27,600
you and I appreciate all the work and I

4584
03:40:27,600 --> 03:40:29,840
hope you continue to be a part of this

4585
03:40:29,840 --> 03:40:34,469
process moving forward.

4586
03:40:34,479 --> 03:40:36,880
» So, for the first um question about the

4587
03:40:36,880 --> 03:40:39,439
proposal,

4588
03:40:39,439 --> 03:40:43,120
um I think it's wonderful. Um

4589
03:40:43,120 --> 03:40:46,000
I think it's hard to not

4590
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:48,720
see that it has it has something for

4591
03:40:48,720 --> 03:40:50,399
everyone. It really meets everyone's

4592
03:40:50,399 --> 03:40:53,840
needs. It it it addresses the interest

4593
03:40:53,840 --> 03:40:56,239
in having the paramedics stay here. It

4594
03:40:56,239 --> 03:40:58,000
addresses the possibility of a fire

4595
03:40:58,000 --> 03:41:00,479
station. It addresses the desperate need

4596
03:41:00,479 --> 03:41:04,640
for new town offices and police um

4597
03:41:04,640 --> 03:41:06,239
facilities.

4598
03:41:06,239 --> 03:41:09,279
Uh and it's beautiful. So I I I think

4599
03:41:09,279 --> 03:41:15,840
that it will be very I'm hopeful that there will be widespread support. I it's hard to see that there wouldn't

4600
03:41:15,840 --> 03:41:18,080
be because the town needs this and it's

4601
03:41:18,080 --> 03:41:22,319
very beautiful and it leaves room for um

4602
03:41:22,319 --> 03:41:23,600
different programs that people are

4603
03:41:23,600 --> 03:41:27,760
interested in. Um I think that um you

4604
03:41:27,760 --> 03:41:29,760
know there was a comment about you know

4605
03:41:29,760 --> 03:41:34,239
that that it's hasty to just

4606
03:41:34,239 --> 03:41:35,760
approve this instead of our current

4607
03:41:35,760 --> 03:41:38,800
plan. You know again our current plan

4608
03:41:38,800 --> 03:41:41,040
hasn't gone anywhere. I don't think we

4609
03:41:41,040 --> 03:41:43,680
should be hasty, but I think that this

4610
03:41:43,680 --> 03:41:46,479
is so much better than concept B that uh

4611
03:41:46,479 --> 03:41:48,080
I think we should move forward fairly

4612
03:41:48,080 --> 03:41:50,880
quickly. We can have some some very good

4613
03:41:50,880 --> 03:41:52,880
outreach. So, for example, next week

4614
03:41:52,880 --> 03:41:55,600
there should be a very thorough article

4615
03:41:55,600 --> 03:41:57,760
about what this entails, what this

4616
03:41:57,760 --> 03:42:00,000
proposal is, and the article can be

4617
03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:03,120
taken almost directly from the uh slide

4618
03:42:03,120 --> 03:42:05,920
deck that the committee gave us. And I

4619
03:42:05,920 --> 03:42:07,359
think that that would be a very useful

4620
03:42:07,359 --> 03:42:09,760
way of of sharing with the community

4621
03:42:09,760 --> 03:42:12,399
what what this is. RPOA could also have

4622
03:42:12,399 --> 03:42:15,040
a a meeting focused on the new proposal

4623
03:42:15,040 --> 03:42:17,920
or could have as one of its agenda items

4624
03:42:17,920 --> 03:42:22,239
um this proposal uh andor uh by way of

4625
03:42:22,239 --> 03:42:25,279
education not uh advocating but uh send

4626
03:42:25,279 --> 03:42:28,640
out an email um about this proposal. The

4627
03:42:28,640 --> 03:42:30,479
town could also send out an email. So I

4628
03:42:30,479 --> 03:42:32,479
think that the outreach doesn't have to

4629
03:42:32,479 --> 03:42:35,359
take months of public meetings. I think

4630
03:42:35,359 --> 03:42:38,560
it can be done very quickly um online

4631
03:42:38,560 --> 03:42:42,080
and by email and with some uh and by the

4632
03:42:42,080 --> 03:42:44,319
with the Ross review.

4633
03:42:44,319 --> 03:42:48,160
Um as as far as the next steps um I I

4634
03:42:48,160 --> 03:42:50,080
think we should move very quickly to to

4635
03:42:50,080 --> 03:42:52,800
get this to make this happen. I I think

4636
03:42:52,800 --> 03:42:54,399
we should try for the November ballot,

4637
03:42:54,399 --> 03:42:57,120
but it's it's comforting to me to know

4638
03:42:57,120 --> 03:43:01,120
that March is an option. Um because that

4639
03:43:01,120 --> 03:43:02,560
doesn't delay us that much. And I think

4640
03:43:02,560 --> 03:43:04,399
that would keep the building program

4641
03:43:04,399 --> 03:43:06,239
pretty much on schedule to keep the

4642
03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:11,040
paramedic station um uh on on track. Um,

4643
03:43:11,040 --> 03:43:12,960
I think as far as how we do it, I mean,

4644
03:43:12,960 --> 03:43:16,160
I recognize we're a council town manager

4645
03:43:16,160 --> 03:43:18,399
um, structure, but I would hope that

4646
03:43:18,399 --> 03:43:20,800
this committee can remain front and

4647
03:43:20,800 --> 03:43:24,160
center uh, with all of the decisions

4648
03:43:24,160 --> 03:43:29,040
because they're just so um, uh,

4649
03:43:29,040 --> 03:43:32,239
experienced and also they're very

4650
03:43:32,239 --> 03:43:35,040
willing to work on this and based on

4651
03:43:35,040 --> 03:43:36,800
what's happened in the first two months,

4652
03:43:36,800 --> 03:43:38,880
their work is phenomenally successful. I

4653
03:43:38,880 --> 03:43:40,479
mean, as I said before, they've they've

4654
03:43:40,479 --> 03:43:42,800
transcended politics and personalities

4655
03:43:42,800 --> 03:43:45,840
and come up with a very beautiful plan.

4656
03:43:45,840 --> 03:43:48,239
Um, and I would hope that if our next

4657
03:43:48,239 --> 03:43:49,840
step, if our first step is to hire an

4658
03:43:49,840 --> 03:43:51,439
architect, I would hope that the

4659
03:43:51,439 --> 03:43:54,960
committee can um be part of that group

4660
03:43:54,960 --> 03:43:57,359
that's that's evaluating the proposals

4661
03:43:57,359 --> 03:43:59,600
because I think that the committee has

4662
03:43:59,600 --> 03:44:02,080
more experience than almost, you know,

4663
03:44:02,080 --> 03:44:04,080
any single person we might hire and

4664
03:44:04,080 --> 03:44:06,399
certainly any any, you know, any any

4665
03:44:06,399 --> 03:44:08,160
other group. I mean we have just an

4666
03:44:08,160 --> 03:44:10,479
amazing committee of of experienced

4667
03:44:10,479 --> 03:44:12,640
talented people. So I think it's really

4668
03:44:12,640 --> 03:44:14,960
important to keep them front and center

4669
03:44:14,960 --> 03:44:18,880
with all decisions. Um and you know you

4670
03:44:18,880 --> 03:44:20,560
know the the the town manager of course

4671
03:44:20,560 --> 03:44:22,640
implements the decisions and runs things

4672
03:44:22,640 --> 03:44:24,720
but the council you know is ultimately

4673
03:44:24,720 --> 03:44:28,319
responsible. So I I you know my my next

4674
03:44:28,319 --> 03:44:31,120
steps would be hire an architect uh and

4675
03:44:31,120 --> 03:44:33,439
then but keep the committee front and

4676
03:44:33,439 --> 03:44:35,760
center for all of these steps moving

4677
03:44:35,760 --> 03:44:38,239
forward.

4678
03:44:38,239 --> 03:44:40,319
I Matt, I have a follow-up question. Are

4679
03:44:40,319 --> 03:44:42,560
you proposing that there be on the

4680
03:44:42,560 --> 03:44:44,960
November ballot a parcel tax asking

4681
03:44:44,960 --> 03:44:48,160
residents to tax themselves to have fire

4682
03:44:48,160 --> 03:44:50,399
services in Ross? Is that what you're

4683
03:44:50,399 --> 03:44:52,000
saying?

4684
03:44:52,000 --> 03:44:54,239
>> No, no, the ballot initiative, sorry,

4685
03:44:54,239 --> 03:44:56,319
it's already the ballot initiative that

4686
03:44:56,319 --> 03:44:58,800
the fourth has that has been approved.

4687
03:44:58,800 --> 03:45:00,560
It's on the November ballot and all it

4688
03:45:00,560 --> 03:45:03,279
says is should there be should the town

4689
03:45:03,279 --> 03:45:06,399
have basically facilities to support a

4690
03:45:06,399 --> 03:45:09,279
fire station? Yeah. A working fire

4691
03:45:09,279 --> 03:45:11,279
station. So the what I'm saying is it's

4692
03:45:11,279 --> 03:45:13,439
already on the ballot. So in terms of

4693
03:45:13,439 --> 03:45:15,840
this moving forward then we would have

4694
03:45:15,840 --> 03:45:18,000
an answer of what we should be building

4695
03:45:18,000 --> 03:45:21,199
in this box because the people will have

4696
03:45:21,199 --> 03:45:21,840
answered that.

4697
03:45:21,840 --> 03:45:24,960
>> But but didn't didn't force say if we

4698
03:45:24,960 --> 03:45:26,800
commit to this they would rem remove it.

4699
03:45:26,800 --> 03:45:29,199
I mean, isn't that a decision for Fourth

4700
03:45:29,199 --> 03:45:30,160
to make?

4701
03:45:30,160 --> 03:45:31,359
>> Of course, it's a decision, but I think

4702
03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:33,040
the fourth people all are under the

4703
03:45:33,040 --> 03:45:34,479
impression that committing to this is

4704
03:45:34,479 --> 03:45:36,080
committing to a fire station, but that

4705
03:45:36,080 --> 03:45:38,239
doesn't sound like what we heard today.

4706
03:45:38,239 --> 03:45:42,790
So,

4707
03:45:42,800 --> 03:45:44,640
» everyone who signed the petition wants

4708
03:45:44,640 --> 03:45:46,800
to be able to vote for a fire station.

4709
03:45:46,800 --> 03:45:48,239
So, there I don't think anyone's pulling

4710
03:45:48,239 --> 03:45:52,960
that back if we're just committing to a concept that's a box, but we don't

4711
03:45:52,960 --> 03:45:55,279
know what's inside it. Yeah, I I agree

4712
03:45:55,279 --> 03:45:57,359
that they signed the petition. It just

4713
03:45:57,359 --> 03:45:59,520
seems like they don't really know what

4714
03:45:59,520 --> 03:46:02,880
it means to have a fire station and pay

4715
03:46:02,880 --> 03:46:04,960
for the operations of a fire station.

4716
03:46:04,960 --> 03:46:06,800
So, to me, the initiative is kind of a

4717
03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:08,319
hypothetical

4718
03:46:08,319 --> 03:46:10,640
because the town doesn't have the money

4719
03:46:10,640 --> 03:46:14,800
to pay for fire services. Um, and you

4720
03:46:14,800 --> 03:46:17,199
know, maybe we need to have an offline

4721
03:46:17,199 --> 03:46:20,800
conversation with Bob to see how how

4722
03:46:20,800 --> 03:46:23,760
committed he feels like we are. Um, I

4723
03:46:23,760 --> 03:46:25,840
think there's still an opportunity to

4724
03:46:25,840 --> 03:46:28,640
talk about BORF pulling its initiative.

4725
03:46:28,640 --> 03:46:31,680
I don't think that's ended. That would

4726
03:46:31,680 --> 03:46:35,760
be something that I would prefer because

4727
03:46:35,760 --> 03:46:38,000
otherwise it's it's I mean, who would

4728
03:46:38,000 --> 03:46:41,439
vote no? If you have no concept of how

4729
03:46:41,439 --> 03:46:43,520
much it's going to cost you, why would

4730
03:46:43,520 --> 03:46:45,199
you vote no? It's kind of like, why

4731
03:46:45,199 --> 03:46:47,040
wouldn't you sign the petition if you

4732
03:46:47,040 --> 03:46:49,600
don't know how much it's going to cost,

4733
03:46:49,600 --> 03:46:51,920
right? It's kind of just a feel-good

4734
03:46:51,920 --> 03:46:55,760
moment. So, I'm optimistic that maybe we

4735
03:46:55,760 --> 03:46:58,720
can have some offline conversations with

4736
03:46:58,720 --> 03:47:05,680
the four people and um explore that. Um

4737
03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:08,000
>> I really hope that that's not on the

4738
03:47:08,000 --> 03:47:10,640
ballot because that is going to be

4739
03:47:10,640 --> 03:47:12,800
completely at cross purposes to what

4740
03:47:12,800 --> 03:47:14,720
we're trying to do. We're trying to get

4741
03:47:14,720 --> 03:47:16,880
everybody to come together, but that

4742
03:47:16,880 --> 03:47:20,000
ballot initi initiative is it's

4743
03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:22,319
mandatory. We have to do it and we know

4744
03:47:22,319 --> 03:47:24,880
we don't have the money to do it. So,

4745
03:47:24,880 --> 03:47:26,640
there would have to be some opposition

4746
03:47:26,640 --> 03:47:28,880
pointing that out and that's just going

4747
03:47:28,880 --> 03:47:30,800
to cut against trying to all come

4748
03:47:30,800 --> 03:47:32,560
together and get this passed. I can't

4749
03:47:32,560 --> 03:47:34,880
imagine why that should be on the

4750
03:47:34,880 --> 03:47:35,760
ballot.

4751
03:47:35,760 --> 03:47:37,279
>> I think the best way to

4752
03:47:37,279 --> 03:47:39,120
>> this is on the ballot. So, it's not a

4753
03:47:39,120 --> 03:47:41,840
hypothetical. It was voted on by the

4754
03:47:41,840 --> 03:47:44,479
people. this they they they they put

4755
03:47:44,479 --> 03:47:47,040
this petition forward and it has the

4756
03:47:47,040 --> 03:47:48,720
support of the community. All the

4757
03:47:48,720 --> 03:47:50,720
initiative asks is for the community to

4758
03:47:50,720 --> 03:47:53,920
vote yes or no. And so I will say this

4759
03:47:53,920 --> 03:47:56,000
in a campaign all these issues that

4760
03:47:56,000 --> 03:47:58,160
you're bringing up that it's too

4761
03:47:58,160 --> 03:48:00,479
expensive, no one can pay for it, then

4762
03:48:00,479 --> 03:48:03,199
people will vote no. So I you know I

4763
03:48:03,199 --> 03:48:04,560
don't I don't know why everyone's so

4764
03:48:04,560 --> 03:48:06,640
worried about this this initiative. I

4765
03:48:06,640 --> 03:48:08,080
actually think it's it's it's going to

4766
03:48:08,080 --> 03:48:10,239
help us make our decision because all

4767
03:48:10,239 --> 03:48:13,199
the things you're pointing out you're going to say we can't we don't

4768
03:48:13,199 --> 03:48:14,239
have the money. We can't afford to

4769
03:48:14,239 --> 03:48:14,800
operate it.

4770
03:48:14,800 --> 03:48:16,239
>> I think if we

4771
03:48:16,239 --> 03:48:18,080
>> the point is it's on the ballot. There's

4772
03:48:18,080 --> 03:48:20,080
no you you're asking people to pull it,

4773
03:48:20,080 --> 03:48:20,960
but it's on the ballot.

4774
03:48:20,960 --> 03:48:22,960
>> The agenda item tonight. It's not about

4775
03:48:22,960 --> 03:48:24,960
pulling or not pulling the or trying to

4776
03:48:24,960 --> 03:48:27,120
get the proponents to pull or not pull

4777
03:48:27,120 --> 03:48:29,920
the ag the initiative. It's next steps

4778
03:48:29,920 --> 03:48:32,239
as far as moving forward with the

4779
03:48:32,239 --> 03:48:34,319
concept that's been brought before you.

4780
03:48:34,319 --> 03:48:36,880
So obviously it's implicated and you're

4781
03:48:36,880 --> 03:48:38,399
hoping some council members are hoping

4782
03:48:38,399 --> 03:48:40,479
that it would be pulled. We can't get it

4783
03:48:40,479 --> 03:48:42,080
back and forth about the merits of the

4784
03:48:42,080 --> 03:48:43,840
initiative.

4785
03:48:43,840 --> 03:48:45,840
>> And I think the best next step to bring

4786
03:48:45,840 --> 03:48:48,319
people together is to move as quickly as

4787
03:48:48,319 --> 03:48:52,640
we can with this plan which I think is going to be very wellreceived and we

4788
03:48:52,640 --> 03:48:54,239
have a wonderful committee working on it

4789
03:48:54,239 --> 03:48:56,640
for us.

4790
03:48:56,640 --> 03:48:58,399
>> Can I just make a comment?

4791
03:48:58,399 --> 03:49:00,479
Elizabeth, I agree with you. The the the

4792
03:49:00,479 --> 03:49:03,680
committee has been phenomenal. In two

4793
03:49:03,680 --> 03:49:05,920
months, they've come up with just a

4794
03:49:05,920 --> 03:49:08,880
beautiful conceptual design. I think if

4795
03:49:08,880 --> 03:49:12,800
we're moving forward, I think the um

4796
03:49:12,800 --> 03:49:15,120
it's the town manager

4797
03:49:15,120 --> 03:49:17,920
working with some of the citizens to

4798
03:49:17,920 --> 03:49:20,239
come up with to deal with some of the

4799
03:49:20,239 --> 03:49:22,479
issues, but it really is in the hands of

4800
03:49:22,479 --> 03:49:26,399
our staff now to move forward with the

4801
03:49:26,399 --> 03:49:28,880
help of the citizens.

4802
03:49:28,880 --> 03:49:30,800
>> I mean, with the help of the citizens

4803
03:49:30,800 --> 03:49:31,439
committee.

4804
03:49:31,439 --> 03:49:33,040
>> Oh, the help of the citizens committee

4805
03:49:33,040 --> 03:49:34,479
or other people that you may want to

4806
03:49:34,479 --> 03:49:35,199
pull in.

4807
03:49:35,199 --> 03:49:37,279
>> I just wouldn't want to. I mean, you

4808
03:49:37,279 --> 03:49:39,680
just have this amazing group. I mean, I

4809
03:49:39,680 --> 03:49:42,239
think the key is keep I mean, I I think

4810
03:49:42,239 --> 03:49:44,960
they will help sell this more than any

4811
03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:46,800
change in a committee, unless they need

4812
03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:47,760
to bring in some people.

4813
03:49:47,760 --> 03:49:49,680
>> I think Christa would I I would trust

4814
03:49:49,680 --> 03:49:52,239
Christa to to work with people to make

4815
03:49:52,239 --> 03:49:54,960
it happen.

4816
03:49:54,960 --> 03:49:58,479
I there I what I like about the working

4817
03:49:58,479 --> 03:50:00,399
especially with the committee is that

4818
03:50:00,399 --> 03:50:02,960
they've really gone beyond all of the

4819
03:50:02,960 --> 03:50:05,279
politics of it, all the personalities.

4820
03:50:05,279 --> 03:50:07,520
And I think that of course they'll be

4821
03:50:07,520 --> 03:50:08,720
working with Christa. Of course they'll

4822
03:50:08,720 --> 03:50:10,239
be working with a project manager. We

4823
03:50:10,239 --> 03:50:11,680
hired a project manager. That's the

4824
03:50:11,680 --> 03:50:12,560
whole point.

4825
03:50:12,560 --> 03:50:14,960
>> But you know I I don't think we can pull

4826
03:50:14,960 --> 03:50:17,199
this off without these guys. I think we

4827
03:50:17,199 --> 03:50:17,840
need them.

4828
03:50:17,840 --> 03:50:19,680
>> I think it's a staff and citizens

4829
03:50:19,680 --> 03:50:22,000
working together.

4830
03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:24,720
>> Okay. I think we have exhausted this

4831
03:50:24,720 --> 03:50:27,120
topic. Um,

4832
03:50:27,120 --> 03:50:30,160
thank you committee. You you guys are

4833
03:50:30,160 --> 03:50:32,800
tremendous and we really owe you a huge

4834
03:50:32,800 --> 03:50:35,279
debt of gratitude especially for doing

4835
03:50:35,279 --> 03:50:39,120
this so quickly and so beautifully. So,

4836
03:50:39,120 --> 03:50:48,309
thank you.

4837
03:50:48,319 --> 03:50:49,920
» Can I make one more comment? It's just

4838
03:50:49,920 --> 03:50:52,479
that if we want to move this forward,

4839
03:50:52,479 --> 03:50:54,479
it's it should not be seen as difficult

4840
03:50:54,479 --> 03:50:56,160
to have a special meeting from time to

4841
03:50:56,160 --> 03:50:59,199
time. It only takes a 24-hour notice.

4842
03:50:59,199 --> 03:51:00,720
Council members, at least one or two,

4843
03:51:00,720 --> 03:51:03,120
can zoom in. It's very easy to arrange,

4844
03:51:03,120 --> 03:51:05,279
especially if we have things to approve.

4845
03:51:05,279 --> 03:51:06,640
You know, not a lot to discuss, but

4846
03:51:06,640 --> 03:51:07,840
things to approve that we want to move

4847
03:51:07,840 --> 03:51:10,640
forward on. We should all be available

4848
03:51:10,640 --> 03:51:11,760
for special meetings.

4849
03:51:11,760 --> 03:51:13,920
>> I think I mentioned that in my remarks,

4850
03:51:13,920 --> 03:51:17,520
too. Special meeting. Um, okay. Now

4851
03:51:17,520 --> 03:51:21,199
we're moving on to number

4852
03:51:21,199 --> 03:51:24,479
13. Town council to consider approval of

4853
03:51:24,479 --> 03:51:27,279
the town of Ross annual financial report

4854
03:51:27,279 --> 03:51:31,279
for the year ended June 30, 2025 with no

4855
03:51:31,279 --> 03:51:33,199
findings.

4856
03:51:33,199 --> 03:51:34,720
Town manager Johnson.

4857
03:51:34,720 --> 03:51:36,800
>> Yes. Uh thank you mayor and council

4858
03:51:36,800 --> 03:51:39,520
members. Uh the item before you tonight

4859
03:51:39,520 --> 03:51:42,000
is just as the mayor just described it.

4860
03:51:42,000 --> 03:51:45,040
Um, you know, each year the town engages

4861
03:51:45,040 --> 03:51:47,359
the services of an independent auditor

4862
03:51:47,359 --> 03:51:49,439
to pre prepare an audit of the town's

4863
03:51:49,439 --> 03:51:52,000
financial statements. Mr. Nathan Edelman

4864
03:51:52,000 --> 03:51:54,239
was the partner in charge of this audit

4865
03:51:54,239 --> 03:51:56,800
and he will provide a brief presentation

4866
03:51:56,800 --> 03:51:59,199
via Zoom. Hopefully, he's still still

4867
03:51:59,199 --> 03:52:00,720
there. It's a little bit later than we

4868
03:52:00,720 --> 03:52:03,439
thought it was going to be. Um, do you

4869
03:52:03,439 --> 03:52:06,640
see Mr. Edelman?

4870
03:52:06,640 --> 03:52:08,960
>> I and I I'm here if you can hear me.

4871
03:52:08,960 --> 03:52:11,600
>> Oh, thank you. Thank you for hanging out

4872
03:52:11,600 --> 03:52:13,600
with us this through this evening,

4873
03:52:13,600 --> 03:52:14,080
Nathan.

4874
03:52:14,080 --> 03:52:15,120
>> I'm still here. Okay,

4875
03:52:15,120 --> 03:52:16,720
>> I'm gonna hand it over to you if that's

4876
03:52:16,720 --> 03:52:18,239
okay, mayor and council.

4877
03:52:18,239 --> 03:52:18,720
>> Yes.

4878
03:52:18,720 --> 03:52:21,120
>> Okay, take it away.

4879
03:52:21,120 --> 03:52:24,560
>> All right, thank you. Let me share my

4880
03:52:24,560 --> 03:52:26,640
screen.

4881
03:52:26,640 --> 03:52:30,080
Okay, I hope that is up.

4882
03:52:30,080 --> 03:52:32,880
Take a

4883
03:52:32,880 --> 03:52:35,680
excuse me, we'll take a quick turn and

4884
03:52:35,680 --> 03:52:38,560
talk about accounting for a few minutes.

4885
03:52:38,560 --> 03:52:41,439
My presentation is brief,

4886
03:52:41,439 --> 03:52:43,680
but good afternoon or I should say good

4887
03:52:43,680 --> 03:52:45,680
evening. My name is Nathan Edelman with

4888
03:52:45,680 --> 03:52:49,040
ID Bailey. I am the independent external

4889
03:52:49,040 --> 03:52:51,840
auditor and I'm going to just really

4890
03:52:51,840 --> 03:52:54,560
give you an overview of the audit. It is

4891
03:52:54,560 --> 03:52:57,920
intended to be concise and really just a

4892
03:52:57,920 --> 03:53:01,120
10,000 foot executive overview of

4893
03:53:01,120 --> 03:53:04,319
results of the audit and the the scope

4894
03:53:04,319 --> 03:53:07,359
of of the audit.

4895
03:53:07,359 --> 03:53:11,510
Yeah.

4896
03:53:11,520 --> 03:53:13,840
the bottom line results. So, this slide

4897
03:53:13,840 --> 03:53:16,560
is really the end result of of the audit

4898
03:53:16,560 --> 03:53:18,800
and it's it's I I'll call it good news,

4899
03:53:18,800 --> 03:53:20,960
but the bottom line is that the town

4900
03:53:20,960 --> 03:53:23,439
received an unmodified what we call a

4901
03:53:23,439 --> 03:53:25,680
clean opinion on the financial

4902
03:53:25,680 --> 03:53:28,560
statements on an internal controls over

4903
03:53:28,560 --> 03:53:30,960
financial reporting. We identified no

4904
03:53:30,960 --> 03:53:33,199
significant deficiencies or material

4905
03:53:33,199 --> 03:53:35,279
weaknesses

4906
03:53:35,279 --> 03:53:37,920
for the GAN appropriations limit. We

4907
03:53:37,920 --> 03:53:40,560
noted no exceptions. And really what all

4908
03:53:40,560 --> 03:53:43,359
that means in in practical terms is that

4909
03:53:43,359 --> 03:53:45,199
really the the financial statements that

4910
03:53:45,199 --> 03:53:46,960
were previously presented, I'll talk

4911
03:53:46,960 --> 03:53:49,439
about the scope in in a second, but it

4912
03:53:49,439 --> 03:53:50,880
means that the financial statements

4913
03:53:50,880 --> 03:53:53,760
previously presented are accurate, that

4914
03:53:53,760 --> 03:53:56,000
they are complete.

4915
03:53:56,000 --> 03:53:58,160
really we we identified no reportable

4916
03:53:58,160 --> 03:54:01,120
issues in in the areas that we that we

4917
03:54:01,120 --> 03:54:05,120
tested which is is the stuff here

4918
03:54:05,120 --> 03:54:07,520
>> what is it that we when I actually say

4919
03:54:07,520 --> 03:54:10,319
audit what is it that that we did the

4920
03:54:10,319 --> 03:54:12,800
audit covers the the scope covers the

4921
03:54:12,800 --> 03:54:15,680
town's fiscal year 2025 financial

4922
03:54:15,680 --> 03:54:18,239
statements and related disclosures and

4923
03:54:18,239 --> 03:54:23,680
really that means auditor goes in and verifies you know cash and payables

4924
03:54:23,680 --> 03:54:25,600
receivables

4925
03:54:25,600 --> 03:54:27,600
how much money is sitting in the bank as

4926
03:54:27,600 --> 03:54:30,479
of that cuto off period. That's what the

4927
03:54:30,479 --> 03:54:35,590
auditor is is looking to to verify.

4928
03:54:35,600 --> 03:54:38,399
We look at internal controls relevant to

4929
03:54:38,399 --> 03:54:40,319
financial reporting as as part of

4930
03:54:40,319 --> 03:54:42,479
planning the audit and where where

4931
03:54:42,479 --> 03:54:47,359
procedures are performed over that the GAN appropriations calculation focus

4932
03:54:47,359 --> 03:54:49,840
is not so much on the debits and credits

4933
03:54:49,840 --> 03:54:51,760
not about the accounting but really

4934
03:54:51,760 --> 03:54:54,160
about the accuracy of of the

4935
03:54:54,160 --> 03:54:55,920
calculation.

4936
03:54:55,920 --> 03:54:58,560
And I I always just say our our role as

4937
03:54:58,560 --> 03:55:01,439
auditors is to ask the questions. We

4938
03:55:01,439 --> 03:55:03,920
look at source documents, but really the

4939
03:55:03,920 --> 03:55:06,319
auditor is simply a reporter just

4940
03:55:06,319 --> 03:55:08,399
reporting back the results of of the

4941
03:55:08,399 --> 03:55:11,359
audit. You know, management of the town,

4942
03:55:11,359 --> 03:55:13,520
which I I guess is Christa in in this

4943
03:55:13,520 --> 03:55:16,880
case, and you know, really the folks in

4944
03:55:16,880 --> 03:55:18,560
the accounting department, which I

4945
03:55:18,560 --> 03:55:21,359
realize for you is is one person, but

4946
03:55:21,359 --> 03:55:23,760
they are responsible for, you know,

4947
03:55:23,760 --> 03:55:25,840
supporting the audit. They have to

4948
03:55:25,840 --> 03:55:27,600
compile the accounting records. They

4949
03:55:27,600 --> 03:55:29,600
have to send out confirmations. they

4950
03:55:29,600 --> 03:55:35,840
need to answer our our questions. All we do is report back, but the people

4951
03:55:35,840 --> 03:55:38,239
or the person in the in the accounting

4952
03:55:38,239 --> 03:55:40,080
department is really the one that has to

4953
03:55:40,080 --> 03:55:45,600
do what I'll call is is is the hard work

4954
03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:47,279
and then other other required

4955
03:55:47,279 --> 03:55:49,199
communications. Audit audit standards

4956
03:55:49,199 --> 03:55:51,279
say that we are required to communicate,

4957
03:55:51,279 --> 03:55:53,359
you know, several items to those charged

4958
03:55:53,359 --> 03:55:55,840
with governance. And really in in short,

4959
03:55:55,840 --> 03:55:58,319
there were no matters arising from the

4960
03:55:58,319 --> 03:56:00,720
audit that required additional

4961
03:56:00,720 --> 03:56:03,439
communications or additional attention

4962
03:56:03,439 --> 03:56:06,560
from the from the town council.

4963
03:56:06,560 --> 03:56:09,279
I'll just just close it with the the

4964
03:56:09,279 --> 03:56:12,080
audit is an after-the-act affirmation

4965
03:56:12,080 --> 03:56:13,840
that the financial information

4966
03:56:13,840 --> 03:56:16,880
previously presented to town council is

4967
03:56:16,880 --> 03:56:21,199
complete and accurate. Like I said, we rely on the accounting team to send

4968
03:56:21,199 --> 03:56:25,680
those confirmations. And in one of the bullets on here, audit difficulties,

4969
03:56:25,680 --> 03:56:28,640
and I'm pleased to report there were no

4970
03:56:28,640 --> 03:56:30,640
difficulties in in conducting the audit.

4971
03:56:30,640 --> 03:56:33,199
Everybody that we worked with is

4972
03:56:33,199 --> 03:56:35,680
supportive. Uh, excuse me, it's very

4973
03:56:35,680 --> 03:56:40,239
late. Everybody that we worked with is supportive of the audit and and they

4974
03:56:40,239 --> 03:56:42,319
get us what we need so that we can we

4975
03:56:42,319 --> 03:56:46,560
can get in and and and move on. So, with

4976
03:56:46,560 --> 03:56:49,680
that, I will let me stop sharing my

4977
03:56:49,680 --> 03:56:52,880
screen. Um, that that is my my

4978
03:56:52,880 --> 03:56:54,800
presentation and I'm happy to take any

4979
03:56:54,800 --> 03:56:57,199
questions from the from the council.

4980
03:56:57,199 --> 03:56:59,279
>> Thank you. And council members, any

4981
03:56:59,279 --> 03:57:00,560
questions?

4982
03:57:00,560 --> 03:57:01,920
Matt.

4983
03:57:01,920 --> 03:57:04,319
>> Um, so, uh, thank you. Did, did you look

4984
03:57:04,319 --> 03:57:05,920
at any of the internal controls? Was

4985
03:57:05,920 --> 03:57:08,399
that a part of this audit?

4986
03:57:08,399 --> 03:57:10,160
>> Yeah. So, in internal controls are

4987
03:57:10,160 --> 03:57:12,160
looked at as as part of the audit. And

4988
03:57:12,160 --> 03:57:13,760
if there are what we call control

4989
03:57:13,760 --> 03:57:15,920
deficiencies, significant deficiencies,

4990
03:57:15,920 --> 03:57:18,080
material weaknesses, those are things

4991
03:57:18,080 --> 03:57:23,120
that would be required to be reported as part of the results of the audit.

4992
03:57:23,120 --> 03:57:25,439
>> And sorry, so were any of those um

4993
03:57:25,439 --> 03:57:26,960
identified

4994
03:57:26,960 --> 03:57:29,359
>> there? And yes, there there were no

4995
03:57:29,359 --> 03:57:33,279
internal control deficiencies that we reported.

4996
03:57:33,279 --> 03:57:35,840
>> Great. Thank you.

4997
03:57:35,840 --> 03:57:38,239
>> There's no one in the chamber. Anybody

4998
03:57:38,239 --> 03:57:39,920
online for public comment?

4999
03:57:39,920 --> 03:57:41,520
>> No one online. Mayor,

5000
03:57:41,520 --> 03:57:45,670
>> do we need to have a motion?

5001
03:57:45,680 --> 03:57:48,080
» Yes, please. Just a comment. I mean,

5002
03:57:48,080 --> 03:57:49,680
it's great to have a clean audit,

5003
03:57:49,680 --> 03:57:51,840
especially as we're moving ahead

5004
03:57:51,840 --> 03:57:54,080
building, asking for money, you know, to

5005
03:57:54,080 --> 03:57:56,479
have to have a clean audit is fabulous.

5006
03:57:56,479 --> 03:57:58,239
So, thank you to the staff.

5007
03:57:58,239 --> 03:58:00,239
>> Yeah. And I have I have one comment to I

5008
03:58:00,239 --> 03:58:01,279
know it's late

5009
03:58:01,279 --> 03:58:02,720
>> at these financial things. We should

5010
03:58:02,720 --> 03:58:03,760
definitely bring him to the finance

5011
03:58:03,760 --> 03:58:06,399
committee, but again, this is such a a

5012
03:58:06,399 --> 03:58:09,840
gold star for our staff, especially when

5013
03:58:09,840 --> 03:58:12,720
we just hired a new accountant and we're

5014
03:58:12,720 --> 03:58:16,160
moving um from from the consultant to

5015
03:58:16,160 --> 03:58:18,720
just have a flawless audit come through

5016
03:58:18,720 --> 03:58:21,520
and no internal controls. These are

5017
03:58:21,520 --> 03:58:23,760
really, you know, these these are really

5018
03:58:23,760 --> 03:58:25,680
things to be proud of. and they don't

5019
03:58:25,680 --> 03:58:30,479
get all the the they don't get all the agilation, but it's it's really

5020
03:58:30,479 --> 03:58:34,080
impressive and I uh I wish we we gave it

5021
03:58:34,080 --> 03:58:36,160
the airtime it deserves. So that's why I

5022
03:58:36,160 --> 03:58:37,760
hope we sort of meet as a finance

5023
03:58:37,760 --> 03:58:38,880
committee a little more because these

5024
03:58:38,880 --> 03:58:41,040
are really really impressive and I'm

5025
03:58:41,040 --> 03:58:43,600
very thankful that that I know my town

5026
03:58:43,600 --> 03:58:45,600
has a clean audit, no no internal

5027
03:58:45,600 --> 03:58:48,080
controls issues and continues to show

5028
03:58:48,080 --> 03:58:50,560
surpluses and these these should be the

5029
03:58:50,560 --> 03:58:52,160
high, you know, I mean every other town

5030
03:58:52,160 --> 03:58:54,239
is struggling. They can't, you know,

5031
03:58:54,239 --> 03:58:56,800
Fairfax can't pave its roads. Like, it's

5032
03:58:56,800 --> 03:58:58,800
really, really, really impressive.

5033
03:58:58,800 --> 03:58:59,680
Really,

5034
03:58:59,680 --> 03:59:01,120
>> has big issues, too.

5035
03:59:01,120 --> 03:59:02,800
>> And it's not touted enough. I mean, of

5036
03:59:02,800 --> 03:59:03,920
course, the fire station and all the

5037
03:59:03,920 --> 03:59:05,760
fighting gets the news, but this is

5038
03:59:05,760 --> 03:59:07,040
really, really impressive.

5039
03:59:07,040 --> 03:59:08,880
>> But maybe that should be a Ross review

5040
03:59:08,880 --> 03:59:11,279
article. I mean, it's it's people should

5041
03:59:11,279 --> 03:59:11,760
know.

5042
03:59:11,760 --> 03:59:12,479
>> Yes,

5043
03:59:12,479 --> 03:59:14,880
>> absolutely. Yes, please.

5044
03:59:14,880 --> 03:59:16,720
>> So, I just want to say thank you to

5045
03:59:16,720 --> 03:59:18,960
Christa and your team.

5046
03:59:18,960 --> 03:59:21,199
>> Really good job. and I know it's ongoing

5047
03:59:21,199 --> 03:59:23,439
day in and day out throughout the year.

5048
03:59:23,439 --> 03:59:23,840
So,

5049
03:59:23,840 --> 03:59:25,439
>> thanks. I'll make sure to pass on your

5050
03:59:25,439 --> 03:59:27,600
comments, your kind words to our senior

5051
03:59:27,600 --> 03:59:33,520
accountant, Elena Carina, because she just started this past uh late June.

5052
03:59:33,520 --> 03:59:36,880
And um and we do appreciate the the the

5053
03:59:36,880 --> 03:59:38,880
ability also to be able to call on

5054
03:59:38,880 --> 03:59:40,880
Nathan, our auditor, to to ask some

5055
03:59:40,880 --> 03:59:44,560
questions from um time to time. So,

5056
03:59:44,560 --> 03:59:45,359
>> thank you.

5057
03:59:45,359 --> 03:59:48,080
>> We need a a motion to approve this.

5058
03:59:48,080 --> 03:59:55,269
>> Yes, please. So moved. Second.

5059
03:59:55,279 --> 03:59:57,359
» Council member Dalling.

5060
03:59:57,359 --> 03:59:58,000
>> Yes.

5061
03:59:58,000 --> 03:59:59,359
>> Council member Kercher.

5062
03:59:59,359 --> 04:00:00,160
>> Hi.

5063
04:00:00,160 --> 04:00:01,520
>> Council member Salter.

5064
04:00:01,520 --> 04:00:02,160
>> I.

5065
04:00:02,160 --> 04:00:03,760
>> Mayor Pro Tim Robbins.

5066
04:00:03,760 --> 04:00:04,319
>> I.

5067
04:00:04,319 --> 04:00:05,279
>> Mayor McMillan.

5068
04:00:05,279 --> 04:00:05,840
>> Yes.

5069
04:00:05,840 --> 04:00:08,319
>> Motion passes 5-0.

5070
04:00:08,319 --> 04:00:11,680
>> Thank you. The last item on our um

5071
04:00:11,680 --> 04:00:15,520
administrative agenda, item 14, is a

5072
04:00:15,520 --> 04:00:18,399
discussion regarding the wording of the

5073
04:00:18,399 --> 04:00:22,160
respectful dialogue section on town

5074
04:00:22,160 --> 04:00:24,640
council agendas.

5075
04:00:24,640 --> 04:00:26,560
>> Um thank you, mayor and council members.

5076
04:00:26,560 --> 04:00:28,239
I'd like to turn it over to our new town

5077
04:00:28,239 --> 04:00:31,040
clerk, Zach Koblick,

5078
04:00:31,040 --> 04:00:33,439
who uh prepared this agenda item and is

5079
04:00:33,439 --> 04:00:34,800
just going to give you a brief uh

5080
04:00:34,800 --> 04:00:37,760
presentation. So, thank you.

5081
04:00:37,760 --> 04:00:39,600
Christa. And good morning,

5082
04:00:39,600 --> 04:00:42,399
Mayor McMillan, or good evening, rather.

5083
04:00:42,399 --> 04:00:43,600
>> Mayor McMillan and members of the

5084
04:00:43,600 --> 04:00:45,680
council. My name is Zach Kobe, the town

5085
04:00:45,680 --> 04:00:48,479
clerk and senior management analyst. Uh

5086
04:00:48,479 --> 04:00:49,760
before the council tonight is a

5087
04:00:49,760 --> 04:00:51,680
discussion item regarding the language

5088
04:00:51,680 --> 04:00:53,680
in the respectful dialogue section of

5089
04:00:53,680 --> 04:00:55,120
the town council meeting agenda

5090
04:00:55,120 --> 04:00:57,359
template. Mayor Prom Robbins has

5091
04:00:57,359 --> 04:00:59,040
suggested that the council that the

5092
04:00:59,040 --> 04:01:01,040
section be revisited and the council

5093
04:01:01,040 --> 04:01:03,120
asked that it be brought back as a

5094
04:01:03,120 --> 04:01:05,279
discussion item. The purpose of the

5095
04:01:05,279 --> 04:01:07,120
these disclaimers, generally speaking,

5096
04:01:07,120 --> 04:01:09,040
is not punitive. They're meant to

5097
04:01:09,040 --> 04:01:11,359
they're not meant to shame anyone or to

5098
04:01:11,359 --> 04:01:13,199
respond to any specific past behavior.

5099
04:01:13,199 --> 04:01:14,800
Rather, they serve as a proactive

5100
04:01:14,800 --> 04:01:16,800
statement of expectations for everyone

5101
04:01:16,800 --> 04:01:18,720
participating in the meeting, council,

5102
04:01:18,720 --> 04:01:21,279
staff, and the public. The goal is to

5103
04:01:21,279 --> 04:01:22,479
encourage meaningful civic

5104
04:01:22,479 --> 04:01:24,000
participation,

5105
04:01:24,000 --> 04:01:25,600
uh protect the inclusion of diverse

5106
04:01:25,600 --> 04:01:27,199
perspectives, and minimize the kind of

5107
04:01:27,199 --> 04:01:28,880
disruption that can derail proceedings

5108
04:01:28,880 --> 04:01:30,640
or cause community members to hold back

5109
04:01:30,640 --> 04:01:32,560
from speaking. The town's current

5110
04:01:32,560 --> 04:01:34,160
language, which has been omitted from

5111
04:01:34,160 --> 04:01:36,319
tonight's agenda, but has been on the

5112
04:01:36,319 --> 04:01:38,479
past four or so agendas, is the same

5113
04:01:38,479 --> 04:01:39,920
language used by the Marin County Board

5114
04:01:39,920 --> 04:01:41,600
of Supervisors, and I'll read it in full

5115
04:01:41,600 --> 04:01:44,000
now. The Town Council of the Town of

5116
04:01:44,000 --> 04:01:46,319
Ross encourages a respectful dialogue

5117
04:01:46,319 --> 04:01:47,920
that supports freedom of speech and

5118
04:01:47,920 --> 04:01:50,000
values diversity of opinion. The town

5119
04:01:50,000 --> 04:01:51,760
council, staff, and members of the

5120
04:01:51,760 --> 04:01:53,520
public are expected to be civil and

5121
04:01:53,520 --> 04:01:55,520
courteous and to refrain from

5122
04:01:55,520 --> 04:01:57,760
questioning character or motives of

5123
04:01:57,760 --> 04:01:59,760
other participation of others

5124
04:01:59,760 --> 04:02:02,080
participating in the meeting. The town

5125
04:02:02,080 --> 04:02:03,760
expects that speakers will not use

5126
04:02:03,760 --> 04:02:05,520
threatening, profane, or abusive

5127
04:02:05,520 --> 04:02:08,479
language which which disrupts, disturbs,

5128
04:02:08,479 --> 04:02:11,120
or otherwise impedes the orderly conduct

5129
04:02:11,120 --> 04:02:13,439
of the town council meeting. Members of

5130
04:02:13,439 --> 04:02:15,600
the public may comment on any item on

5131
04:02:15,600 --> 04:02:17,600
the agenda during count town council

5132
04:02:17,600 --> 04:02:19,920
consideration of the item. The mayor

5133
04:02:19,920 --> 04:02:21,680
will invite public comments following

5134
04:02:21,680 --> 04:02:23,520
the staff presentation and prior to

5135
04:02:23,520 --> 04:02:25,680
final council deliberations. Each

5136
04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:27,840
speaker will be allotted time for for

5137
04:02:27,840 --> 04:02:30,239
comment as set by the mayor, generally

5138
04:02:30,239 --> 04:02:32,239
three minutes.

5139
04:02:32,239 --> 04:02:34,160
For reference, in tonight's discussion,

5140
04:02:34,160 --> 04:02:36,080
I reviewed how other jurisdictions in

5141
04:02:36,080 --> 04:02:37,760
Mering County approach this. The town of

5142
04:02:37,760 --> 04:02:39,680
Fairfax has a more detailed version that

5143
04:02:39,680 --> 04:02:41,920
addresses specific behaviors, applies

5144
04:02:41,920 --> 04:02:44,080
standards explicitly to all viewpoints,

5145
04:02:44,080 --> 04:02:46,880
and outlines a graduated response from a

5146
04:02:46,880 --> 04:02:48,960
warning to removal for disruptive

5147
04:02:48,960 --> 04:02:51,600
conduct. The city of Nevada similar

5148
04:02:51,600 --> 04:02:54,800
similarly has language establishing the

5149
04:02:54,800 --> 04:02:56,479
mayor's authority to remove disruptive

5150
04:02:56,479 --> 04:02:59,120
speakers and emphasizes a commit that

5151
04:02:59,120 --> 04:03:01,279
comments should be directed to the

5152
04:03:01,279 --> 04:03:03,359
council and address issues rather than

5153
04:03:03,359 --> 04:03:05,760
individuals. Several other marine cities

5154
04:03:05,760 --> 04:03:08,080
and towns including centerfell Sanelmo

5155
04:03:08,080 --> 04:03:11,279
larks corderea and salelo do not include

5156
04:03:11,279 --> 04:03:13,120
a section like this in their agendas at

5157
04:03:13,120 --> 04:03:15,359
all. All those comparisons are included

5158
04:03:15,359 --> 04:03:18,479
in the staff report for your reference.

5159
04:03:18,479 --> 04:03:20,479
The recommend the recommendation this

5160
04:03:20,479 --> 04:03:22,399
evening is simply for the council to

5161
04:03:22,399 --> 04:03:24,239
discuss the current language and provide

5162
04:03:24,239 --> 04:03:26,080
direction to the town manager on whether

5163
04:03:26,080 --> 04:03:28,239
it should be retained as is revised or

5164
04:03:28,239 --> 04:03:30,319
eliminated from the agenda template.

5165
04:03:30,319 --> 04:03:31,680
There are no financial impacts

5166
04:03:31,680 --> 04:03:33,120
associated with this item. And with

5167
04:03:33,120 --> 04:03:34,800
that, I'm happy to answer any questions

5168
04:03:34,800 --> 04:03:36,399
and we'll turn it over to council for

5169
04:03:36,399 --> 04:03:38,720
discussion.

5170
04:03:38,720 --> 04:03:41,120
>> Thank you, Zach. Um Elizabeth, why don't

5171
04:03:41,120 --> 04:03:42,239
you go first?

5172
04:03:42,239 --> 04:03:44,000
>> Okay. Have any questions?

5173
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:45,120
>> No questions. Anybody have any

5174
04:03:45,120 --> 04:03:45,359
questions?

5175
04:03:45,359 --> 04:03:48,160
>> I'll just make comments. Um, let me get

5176
04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:51,840
public comment. Any public comment?

5177
04:03:51,840 --> 04:03:53,040
>> No public comment online.

5178
04:03:53,040 --> 04:03:55,439
>> Okay, great. So, now Elizabeth, why

5179
04:03:55,439 --> 04:03:56,000
don't you

5180
04:03:56,000 --> 04:03:58,160
>> So, I thought we should talk about this

5181
04:03:58,160 --> 04:04:02,000
because I thought it seemed kind of

5182
04:04:02,000 --> 04:04:04,479
insulting to members of the public, you

5183
04:04:04,479 --> 04:04:06,640
know, using words like please don't be

5184
04:04:06,640 --> 04:04:09,520
threatening and don't use profanity. And

5185
04:04:09,520 --> 04:04:11,120
I have to say there are certainly, you

5186
04:04:11,120 --> 04:04:14,800
know, and be respectful. I I think that

5187
04:04:14,800 --> 04:04:16,720
for the most part members of the public

5188
04:04:16,720 --> 04:04:18,800
who come to Ross Council meetings are

5189
04:04:18,800 --> 04:04:20,800
very respectful. I think there are times

5190
04:04:20,800 --> 04:04:22,880
when we as a council aren't respectful

5191
04:04:22,880 --> 04:04:24,399
and we should probably address that

5192
04:04:24,399 --> 04:04:26,319
amongst ourselves. But I don't think

5193
04:04:26,319 --> 04:04:29,840
that putting in, you know, a notice like

5194
04:04:29,840 --> 04:04:33,359
this into our um agendas

5195
04:04:33,359 --> 04:04:35,520
fixes that. And I think it it kind of

5196
04:04:35,520 --> 04:04:37,680
insults our members of the public

5197
04:04:37,680 --> 04:04:38,640
because they'll read it and they'll

5198
04:04:38,640 --> 04:04:41,199
think, "Oh, we we must be a bad group."

5199
04:04:41,199 --> 04:04:43,840
Um Belvadier as you mentioned um Zack

5200
04:04:43,840 --> 04:04:45,840
you know Belvadier Tibbrron and Cordera

5201
04:04:45,840 --> 04:04:48,640
Larks Sanble San Rafll none of those

5202
04:04:48,640 --> 04:04:51,199
towns have anything about respectful you

5203
04:04:51,199 --> 04:04:53,920
know anything like this it's Fairfax and

5204
04:04:53,920 --> 04:04:55,520
they're known to have kind of wild

5205
04:04:55,520 --> 04:04:57,680
meetings and then the county and I don't

5206
04:04:57,680 --> 04:04:59,520
really know about their meetings but I

5207
04:04:59,520 --> 04:05:02,239
don't I think it's not even I I think

5208
04:05:02,239 --> 04:05:04,399
it's not necessary and I think it's kind

5209
04:05:04,399 --> 04:05:07,040
of insulting. So that was why it kind of

5210
04:05:07,040 --> 04:05:08,960
feels like we don't trust our members of

5211
04:05:08,960 --> 04:05:11,040
the public. So I would just leave it

5212
04:05:11,040 --> 04:05:12,960
this very help these very helpful lines

5213
04:05:12,960 --> 04:05:18,080
about um how you you know when when uh

5214
04:05:18,080 --> 04:05:19,520
you can speak to an item you know it

5215
04:05:19,520 --> 04:05:21,199
mentions like you could that there will

5216
04:05:21,199 --> 04:05:23,520
be comment after uh after each item and

5217
04:05:23,520 --> 04:05:25,680
you get three minutes or something but

5218
04:05:25,680 --> 04:05:27,359
um yeah the mayor will invite public

5219
04:05:27,359 --> 04:05:28,319
comments following the staff

5220
04:05:28,319 --> 04:05:30,800
presentation uh I think that's very

5221
04:05:30,800 --> 04:05:33,439
helpful but I wouldn't put this in at

5222
04:05:33,439 --> 04:05:36,560
all and for those reasons

5223
04:05:36,560 --> 04:05:39,520
>> I I I feel very different I don't see it

5224
04:05:39,520 --> 04:05:42,720
is disrespectful. Um I I know it's uh

5225
04:05:42,720 --> 04:05:45,040
for a lot of commissions uh in the

5226
04:05:45,040 --> 04:05:46,720
county as well as for the board of

5227
04:05:46,720 --> 04:05:49,680
supervisors, this is in the agenda

5228
04:05:49,680 --> 04:05:53,279
always at the top and it really is it's

5229
04:05:53,279 --> 04:05:55,760
just a reminder. People most likely

5230
04:05:55,760 --> 04:05:57,359
don't read it after a while. It's a

5231
04:05:57,359 --> 04:05:59,760
reminder that when you're in a public

5232
04:05:59,760 --> 04:06:04,000
meeting to have respectful dialogue.

5233
04:06:04,000 --> 04:06:06,880
Well, maybe if if people think there

5234
04:06:06,880 --> 04:06:08,880
should be something, maybe it could be

5235
04:06:08,880 --> 04:06:10,800
paired down so that it's just the town

5236
04:06:10,800 --> 04:06:12,239
council and town of Ross encourage

5237
04:06:12,239 --> 04:06:14,239
respectful dialogue in comments at

5238
04:06:14,239 --> 04:06:15,840
council meetings and leave it at that

5239
04:06:15,840 --> 04:06:19,199
and not go into, you know, be civil, be

5240
04:06:19,199 --> 04:06:21,279
courteous, don't question the character,

5241
04:06:21,279 --> 04:06:23,120
don't use profanity, don't use abusive

5242
04:06:23,120 --> 04:06:24,880
language, don't threaten. I just feel

5243
04:06:24,880 --> 04:06:27,199
like really that's what we're telling

5244
04:06:27,199 --> 04:06:28,960
our town about. I mean, I don't feel

5245
04:06:28,960 --> 04:06:31,600
like we need it. So, I would do nothing

5246
04:06:31,600 --> 04:06:36,960
or I would make it you know you know

5247
04:06:36,960 --> 04:06:39,199
please be respectful

5248
04:06:39,199 --> 04:06:41,840
that would be my my position. I have a

5249
04:06:41,840 --> 04:06:44,080
suggestion since the two of you have

5250
04:06:44,080 --> 04:06:46,080
strong feelings about this and the two

5251
04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:48,640
of you are our procedures governance

5252
04:06:48,640 --> 04:06:51,600
gurus. Maybe the two of you can come up

5253
04:06:51,600 --> 04:06:55,520
with something that you both accept and

5254
04:06:55,520 --> 04:06:58,880
we can um discuss it.

5255
04:06:58,880 --> 04:07:00,560
>> Right now we we clearly have totally

5256
04:07:00,560 --> 04:07:01,920
opposite views.

5257
04:07:01,920 --> 04:07:04,640
Wouldn't it be helpful to hear the other

5258
04:07:04,640 --> 04:07:06,000
three of you

5259
04:07:06,000 --> 04:07:08,399
>> just I mean to direct us because you

5260
04:07:08,399 --> 04:07:10,560
know we're here and have we already know

5261
04:07:10,560 --> 04:07:14,239
what we each think and and why. So,

5262
04:07:14,239 --> 04:07:17,040
>> so my my opinion is um I think these

5263
04:07:17,040 --> 04:07:19,920
things got put on because of outbursts

5264
04:07:19,920 --> 04:07:22,479
like at the meetings where people, you

5265
04:07:22,479 --> 04:07:24,080
know, you had to they had to deal with

5266
04:07:24,080 --> 04:07:26,560
it. Like Fairfax and like like Elizabeth

5267
04:07:26,560 --> 04:07:28,319
said, I don't since I've been on the

5268
04:07:28,319 --> 04:07:30,560
council, I actually think it's been very

5269
04:07:30,560 --> 04:07:33,120
courteous and we haven't had outbursts.

5270
04:07:33,120 --> 04:07:35,279
We we did have that one guy member on

5271
04:07:35,279 --> 04:07:37,600
the call who was anti-Semitic, I

5272
04:07:37,600 --> 04:07:38,960
believe, and and we just shut it down

5273
04:07:38,960 --> 04:07:43,040
really quickly. So sometimes um

5274
04:07:43,040 --> 04:07:47,040
sometimes it's like like the the uh the

5275
04:07:47,040 --> 04:07:48,720
government that governs least is best.

5276
04:07:48,720 --> 04:07:50,080
You know, sometimes there's that

5277
04:07:50,080 --> 04:07:51,760
philosophy like are we searching for a

5278
04:07:51,760 --> 04:07:54,239
problem by putting it on? But but I

5279
04:07:54,239 --> 04:07:55,680
supported you in putting this here

5280
04:07:55,680 --> 04:07:57,520
because what I would say is I actually

5281
04:07:57,520 --> 04:07:59,359
agree with what was why don't we pair it

5282
04:07:59,359 --> 04:08:00,560
down a little bit. We could do that. you

5283
04:08:00,560 --> 04:08:02,479
know, like just just have the we we

5284
04:08:02,479 --> 04:08:04,160
encourage respectful dialogue and you

5285
04:08:04,160 --> 04:08:06,880
know what, if it gets bad and we really

5286
04:08:06,880 --> 04:08:09,040
have to sort of be more pedantic and say

5287
04:08:09,040 --> 04:08:11,439
like, you know, or prescri sorry,

5288
04:08:11,439 --> 04:08:13,600
prescriptive, yeah, no profanity and no

5289
04:08:13,600 --> 04:08:15,520
this and you'll have three minutes, you

5290
04:08:15,520 --> 04:08:16,880
know, because we have to we have a

5291
04:08:16,880 --> 04:08:19,359
problem. But just saying we support, I

5292
04:08:19,359 --> 04:08:20,479
actually think it'd be very elegant,

5293
04:08:20,479 --> 04:08:22,479
like a mission statement kind of because

5294
04:08:22,479 --> 04:08:24,239
actually it's so long. I actually don't

5295
04:08:24,239 --> 04:08:25,520
know if anyone's gonna read it, Terry,

5296
04:08:25,520 --> 04:08:27,600
because I I wanted people to read it and

5297
04:08:27,600 --> 04:08:28,960
actually be like, "Oh, you know, this

5298
04:08:28,960 --> 04:08:30,640
town respects respectful dialogue." I

5299
04:08:30,640 --> 04:08:32,160
like that. You know, something easy that

5300
04:08:32,160 --> 04:08:34,640
they'll just see every time. So,

5301
04:08:34,640 --> 04:08:36,640
>> I agree. I think we could pair it down.

5302
04:08:36,640 --> 04:08:39,359
U I I think it's important to have in

5303
04:08:39,359 --> 04:08:42,160
respectful dialogue because I think that

5304
04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:45,279
sort of fits into our tell goals. So,

5305
04:08:45,279 --> 04:08:47,199
yes, I'll do it. I'll work with

5306
04:08:47,199 --> 04:08:49,680
Elizabeth. Let's I'll take a draft. I'll

5307
04:08:49,680 --> 04:08:51,439
share it with you. You take a draft.

5308
04:08:51,439 --> 04:08:52,319
I'll share it with you.

5309
04:08:52,319 --> 04:08:53,279
>> Okay.

5310
04:08:53,279 --> 04:08:55,920
>> I agree. Just tone it down a bit. I I I

5311
04:08:55,920 --> 04:08:57,279
agree with it. Just

5312
04:08:57,279 --> 04:08:59,359
>> the first part of it is fine.

5313
04:08:59,359 --> 04:09:01,120
>> We really haven't had that kind of

5314
04:09:01,120 --> 04:09:03,840
problem. Thank goodness. And if we do,

5315
04:09:03,840 --> 04:09:09,520
we can be more specific. But, um, it's just nice. Like, we're all we're

5316
04:09:09,520 --> 04:09:11,199
all here to have a rational

5317
04:09:11,199 --> 04:09:14,399
conversation. Let's remember that to be

5318
04:09:14,399 --> 04:09:16,479
respectful. I'm I'm fine with that.

5319
04:09:16,479 --> 04:09:19,040
>> I think Bill, we've had some issues on

5320
04:09:19,040 --> 04:09:20,800
the council. We've had some

5321
04:09:20,800 --> 04:09:24,399
disrespectful issues on the council. Um,

5322
04:09:24,399 --> 04:09:25,840
and there have been a couple of meetings

5323
04:09:25,840 --> 04:09:29,040
where people have uh spoken, the public

5324
04:09:29,040 --> 04:09:31,120
has spoken and not always been

5325
04:09:31,120 --> 04:09:34,880
respectful. So, I think it's not that

5326
04:09:34,880 --> 04:09:38,479
we've never had any problems we have. I

5327
04:09:38,479 --> 04:09:42,479
think maybe they're in the past.

5328
04:09:42,479 --> 04:09:43,920
>> Let's hope they're in the past. and

5329
04:09:43,920 --> 04:09:45,920
we'll look forward to your revised yes

5330
04:09:45,920 --> 04:09:48,160
shorter language.

5331
04:09:48,160 --> 04:09:52,560
All right. Um, number 15.

5332
04:09:52,560 --> 04:10:06,710
>> Yes.

5333
04:10:06,720 --> 04:10:08,399
» With conclusions or come up with a

5334
04:10:08,399 --> 04:10:09,600
statement that they both agree on and

5335
04:10:09,600 --> 04:10:11,040
give it to the town manager. Yeah.

5336
04:10:11,040 --> 04:10:12,640
>> And not bring us back on the agenda. I

5337
04:10:12,640 --> 04:10:14,960
think that would be preferable. We trust

5338
04:10:14,960 --> 04:10:16,800
you to come up with something that's

5339
04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:18,720
great and so we don't have to discuss it

5340
04:10:18,720 --> 04:10:21,040
at the council again. Thank you, Ben.

5341
04:10:21,040 --> 04:10:23,199
>> Does everyone agree with that?

5342
04:10:23,199 --> 04:10:24,800
>> And if the council doesn't like it, it

5343
04:10:24,800 --> 04:10:30,550
can come back on the agenda.

5344
04:10:30,560 --> 04:10:33,439
» Number 15, no action items, council

5345
04:10:33,439 --> 04:10:34,960
correspondence.

5346
04:10:34,960 --> 04:10:37,359
Anything

5347
04:10:37,359 --> 04:10:43,429
future council items?

5348
04:10:43,439 --> 04:10:46,160
» I have a proposal

5349
04:10:46,160 --> 04:10:48,640
that we adopt a rule that's similar to

5350
04:10:48,640 --> 04:10:51,439
MCE's rule that we're going to adjourn

5351
04:10:51,439 --> 04:10:53,920
by 10:00 unless a majority of the

5352
04:10:53,920 --> 04:10:58,560
council agrees to go beyond 10:00.

5353
04:10:58,560 --> 04:11:01,199
We're not that far beyond 10:00, but I I

5354
04:11:01,199 --> 04:11:03,680
think we ought to have a goal. and out

5355
04:11:03,680 --> 04:11:05,040
of respect for the people who come

5356
04:11:05,040 --> 04:11:07,600
before us, but also out of respect for

5357
04:11:07,600 --> 04:11:14,229
ourselves.

5358
04:11:14,239 --> 04:11:15,760
We already have a rule on the books on

5359
04:11:15,760 --> 04:11:18,000
that, but it's a different hour. It's

5360
04:11:18,000 --> 04:11:20,000
midnight and we have to take a vote at

5361
04:11:20,000 --> 04:11:22,960
11. So, I think your proposal is to

5362
04:11:22,960 --> 04:11:27,359
bring it to 10:00 and, you know, take a

5363
04:11:27,359 --> 04:11:29,120
vote at 9:00. Would that be the

5364
04:11:29,120 --> 04:11:32,389
proposal?

5365
04:11:32,399 --> 04:11:34,800
Well, you know, the way it works at MCE

5366
04:11:34,800 --> 04:11:37,359
is the vote is there is either a vote at

5367
04:11:37,359 --> 04:11:40,160
10 o'clock or we're adjourned. And uh

5368
04:11:40,160 --> 04:11:41,920
the last time we simply adjourned it. We

5369
04:11:41,920 --> 04:11:43,199
didn't finish the

5370
04:11:43,199 --> 04:11:44,800
>> we didn't finish the calendar. Now, of

5371
04:11:44,800 --> 04:11:47,439
course, MC with 34 people, it can go

5372
04:11:47,439 --> 04:11:50,239
quite late, but still I I think we ought

5373
04:11:50,239 --> 04:11:52,239
to have a goal. Try to get out of here

5374
04:11:52,239 --> 04:11:55,199
at least by 10. And often we are, you

5375
04:11:55,199 --> 04:11:58,399
know, sometimes quite a bit earlier. I

5376
04:11:58,399 --> 04:11:59,760
mean, if there's a lot going on, we're

5377
04:11:59,760 --> 04:12:01,520
all going to vote to carry on another,

5378
04:12:01,520 --> 04:12:04,000
you know, I mean, it could be a

5379
04:12:04,000 --> 04:12:06,880
discussion and vote at 10. You know, I

5380
04:12:06,880 --> 04:12:08,800
don't think you can decide at 9ine if

5381
04:12:08,800 --> 04:12:10,800
you're going to close at 10:00. It's got

5382
04:12:10,800 --> 04:12:14,080
to be at the time if we do it at the

5383
04:12:14,080 --> 04:12:16,720
school had 11. Remember, we used to have

5384
04:12:16,720 --> 04:12:18,399
to take a vote at 11 if we wanted to go

5385
04:12:18,399 --> 04:12:18,880
past.

5386
04:12:18,880 --> 04:12:21,199
>> Yeah. and and council meetings that I

5387
04:12:21,199 --> 04:12:25,040
was attending in the you know mid2010s

5388
04:12:25,040 --> 04:12:27,600
they would go until or maybe it was 2008

5389
04:12:27,600 --> 04:12:29,600
they would go until 1:30 in the morning

5390
04:12:29,600 --> 04:12:31,439
>> that was before ADR so they did all

5391
04:12:31,439 --> 04:12:34,160
those planning projects at the meeting

5392
04:12:34,160 --> 04:12:35,840
>> y

5393
04:12:35,840 --> 04:12:38,000
>> well just I support bill I support in

5394
04:12:38,000 --> 04:12:40,239
bringing this forward and and and

5395
04:12:40,239 --> 04:12:44,160
discussing it and talking about a 10:00

5396
04:12:44,160 --> 04:12:46,720
uh meeting time and at that 10 o'clock

5397
04:12:46,720 --> 04:12:48,960
should we continue or should we Stop.

5398
04:12:48,960 --> 04:12:49,920
>> Is that

5399
04:12:49,920 --> 04:12:50,880
>> Yes, sir. Basically,

5400
04:12:50,880 --> 04:12:52,399
>> yes. I mean, if witnesses are here and

5401
04:12:52,399 --> 04:12:53,359
we're working on it.

5402
04:12:53,359 --> 04:12:54,479
>> Yeah, we would just continue.

5403
04:12:54,479 --> 04:12:55,439
>> We'll continue it.

5404
04:12:55,439 --> 04:12:57,040
>> So, he's saying move it to change the

5405
04:12:57,040 --> 04:13:00,479
rule to 10 and to um make the not nine

5406
04:13:00,479 --> 04:13:03,439
but at 10 discuss continuing or jouring,

5407
04:13:03,439 --> 04:13:03,920
>> right?

5408
04:13:03,920 --> 04:13:06,720
>> And so, we bring it back for discussion

5409
04:13:06,720 --> 04:13:08,560
or could we refer to the procedures

5410
04:13:08,560 --> 04:13:10,479
manual group or sorry to that government

5411
04:13:10,479 --> 04:13:12,479
committee? Either way, however you want

5412
04:13:12,479 --> 04:13:13,840
to handle it. Since you're meeting

5413
04:13:13,840 --> 04:13:16,239
anyway, you might as well do it. But but

5414
04:13:16,239 --> 04:13:18,880
it it I don't think let's just put it on

5415
04:13:18,880 --> 04:13:20,399
the calendar is my proposal.

5416
04:13:20,399 --> 04:13:24,880
>> Yeah, I think the agenda is better than um Terry and me because it's got to

5417
04:13:24,880 --> 04:13:27,840
be a consensus.

5418
04:13:27,840 --> 04:13:32,880
>> Okay. And see um the post office table.

5419
04:13:32,880 --> 04:13:35,760
The next meeting is Thursday, June 11th.

5420
04:13:35,760 --> 04:13:40,469
Does anyone want to do that?

5421
04:13:40,479 --> 04:13:41,920
» I could.

5422
04:13:41,920 --> 04:13:43,680
>> I'm sorry. Who could? Elizabeth.

5423
04:13:43,680 --> 04:13:44,399
>> I could.

5424
04:13:44,399 --> 04:13:46,560
>> Terry. Okay,

5425
04:13:46,560 --> 04:13:50,630
thank you.

5426
04:13:50,640 --> 04:13:52,960
So, it's Terry and Elizabeth. Is that

5427
04:13:52,960 --> 04:13:53,760
>> Sure.

5428
04:13:53,760 --> 04:13:56,640
>> Okay, great. Thank you. Meeting

5429
04:13:56,640 --> 04:13:58,800
evaluation

5430
04:13:58,800 --> 04:14:00,720
comments.

5431
04:14:00,720 --> 04:14:02,800
You know, I just have one suggestion,

5432
04:14:02,800 --> 04:14:04,880
Christa. You know, you said that was as

5433
04:14:04,880 --> 04:14:06,239
soon as you could get that information

5434
04:14:06,239 --> 04:14:10,800
out. And my suggestion would be um if

5435
04:14:10,800 --> 04:14:12,560
you know that there's going to be some

5436
04:14:12,560 --> 04:14:14,479
last minute stuff that you don't have

5437
04:14:14,479 --> 04:14:17,040
ready yet, just send it you know a few

5438
04:14:17,040 --> 04:14:20,479
days ahead say you know be expect new

5439
04:14:20,479 --> 04:14:23,279
information you know day of the meeting

5440
04:14:23,279 --> 04:14:27,120
so we'll know to look and leave time to re read it. That would have, you

5441
04:14:27,120 --> 04:14:28,720
know, just that was that one little

5442
04:14:28,720 --> 04:14:29,920
thing would have helped the meeting for

5443
04:14:29,920 --> 04:14:31,680
me. Just if id known that there was

5444
04:14:31,680 --> 04:14:32,800
something coming, I could have blocked

5445
04:14:32,800 --> 04:14:34,800
off the time. And it's okay if it's

5446
04:14:34,800 --> 04:14:37,120
late. If I if we knew or if I knew, then

5447
04:14:37,120 --> 04:14:38,319
I would have been in better shape to

5448
04:14:38,319 --> 04:14:38,640
read it.

5449
04:14:38,640 --> 04:14:39,439
>> Yeah.

5450
04:14:39,439 --> 04:14:42,560
>> I will um attempt to have my brilliant

5451
04:14:42,560 --> 04:14:45,199
ideas earlier than

5452
04:14:45,199 --> 04:14:47,760
9:00 a.m. on the morning of the agenda

5453
04:14:47,760 --> 04:14:48,880
meeting, which is when I had my

5454
04:14:48,880 --> 04:14:52,000
brilliant idea. So, but no, I I I hear

5455
04:14:52,000 --> 04:14:54,800
you and yeah, I will absolutely do my

5456
04:14:54,800 --> 04:14:57,840
best. the

5457
04:14:57,840 --> 04:14:59,840
I would like to note that the the

5458
04:14:59,840 --> 04:15:01,840
committee was not going to put anything

5459
04:15:01,840 --> 04:15:04,239
in your packet.

5460
04:15:04,239 --> 04:15:07,920
I I had to talk with them extensively so

5461
04:15:07,920 --> 04:15:11,920
that because I know that the council

5462
04:15:11,920 --> 04:15:14,000
it's beneficial for the council to have

5463
04:15:14,000 --> 04:15:17,680
information before the weekend um to be

5464
04:15:17,680 --> 04:15:19,439
able to start looking at it and thinking

5465
04:15:19,439 --> 04:15:23,920
about it and so thank you.

5466
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:26,560
I just want to say to keep this meeting

5467
04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:28,720
going on even a little longer, I'm only

5468
04:15:28,720 --> 04:15:30,720
teasing, is that I thought that the flow

5469
04:15:30,720 --> 04:15:33,359
of the meeting went really well. I

5470
04:15:33,359 --> 04:15:36,399
thought the flow of the meeting went

5471
04:15:36,399 --> 04:15:40,479
really well today. I I thought um the

5472
04:15:40,479 --> 04:15:42,399
presentation was good, the questions

5473
04:15:42,399 --> 04:15:45,439
were thoughtful, the comments were good.

5474
04:15:45,439 --> 04:15:48,239
Um it felt like a very thoughtful

5475
04:15:48,239 --> 04:15:51,120
meeting. And Julie, you called breaks.

5476
04:15:51,120 --> 04:15:53,199
That which was really helpful. You

5477
04:15:53,199 --> 04:15:55,920
called breaks. We had a couple that that

5478
04:15:55,920 --> 04:15:57,920
really helped kind of focus people.

5479
04:15:57,920 --> 04:15:59,680
Otherwise, I think people just would

5480
04:15:59,680 --> 04:16:00,960
have been tired and wouldn't have been

5481
04:16:00,960 --> 04:16:05,040
as focused. That was really helpful.

5482
04:16:05,040 --> 04:16:08,239
>> I mean, my my comment is um I thought it

5483
04:16:08,239 --> 04:16:10,159
was really respectful and everyone went

5484
04:16:10,159 --> 04:16:12,159
through it. these the fire station is

5485
04:16:12,159 --> 04:16:14,000
the most controversial topic we deal

5486
04:16:14,000 --> 04:16:16,000
with and I thought everyone asked really

5487
04:16:16,000 --> 04:16:20,640
good questions and wanted answers and I thought it was handled really really

5488
04:16:20,640 --> 04:16:22,800
well and sometimes like this is what

5489
04:16:22,800 --> 04:16:24,319
progress looks like we are making

5490
04:16:24,319 --> 04:16:26,000
progress I know it doesn't feel that way

5491
04:16:26,000 --> 04:16:27,279
because we're always looking ahead and

5492
04:16:27,279 --> 04:16:29,600
the next battle but honestly the fact

5493
04:16:29,600 --> 04:16:32,239
that we all liked the concept and sort

5494
04:16:32,239 --> 04:16:34,720
of really this group coming together and

5495
04:16:34,720 --> 04:16:36,720
really doing a lot of hard work it's

5496
04:16:36,720 --> 04:16:39,040
progress and I just want to acknowledge

5497
04:16:39,040 --> 04:16:40,640
that because sometimes it doesn't feel

5498
04:16:40,640 --> 04:16:42,319
that way and we all sort of leave and

5499
04:16:42,319 --> 04:16:43,600
feel bad about something. I think we

5500
04:16:43,600 --> 04:16:45,199
should feel good that we've we've made

5501
04:16:45,199 --> 04:16:47,760
progress and I appreciated the

5502
04:16:47,760 --> 04:16:50,000
questions. I I thought everybody I know

5503
04:16:50,000 --> 04:16:52,000
I actually I look at Bill a lot and I

5504
04:16:52,000 --> 04:16:55,359
wonder he's like Natt stop talking stop

5505
04:16:55,359 --> 04:16:56,800
I see it in your face. Stop talking.

5506
04:16:56,800 --> 04:16:58,720
Stop asking questions.

5507
04:16:58,720 --> 04:17:01,040
>> Yeah. Yeah. But I I actually felt like

5508
04:17:01,040 --> 04:17:03,279
everyone didn't like dominate or ask too

5509
04:17:03,279 --> 04:17:05,040
many questions or I I thought everyone

5510
04:17:05,040 --> 04:17:06,880
was very fair in what they asked and

5511
04:17:06,880 --> 04:17:09,199
tried to move things along. And I

5512
04:17:09,199 --> 04:17:12,000
appreciate Ben you sort of saying like

5513
04:17:12,000 --> 04:17:14,479
let's not veer totally off on you know

5514
04:17:14,479 --> 04:17:18,080
on this issue of the ballot initiative

5515
04:17:18,080 --> 04:17:20,000
or we you know we always get into like

5516
04:17:20,000 --> 04:17:22,560
oh what may and um sometimes I think

5517
04:17:22,560 --> 04:17:24,640
it's really good to focus on what's

5518
04:17:24,640 --> 04:17:26,080
right in front of us right now. Let's

5519
04:17:26,080 --> 04:17:28,239
just try to solve that piece and we'll

5520
04:17:28,239 --> 04:17:30,640
deal with the next piece in the next

5521
04:17:30,640 --> 04:17:32,479
issue. The last thing I want to say is

5522
04:17:32,479 --> 04:17:34,560
we I think we all should be very open to

5523
04:17:34,560 --> 04:17:36,800
zooming for like a special meeting or

5524
04:17:36,800 --> 04:17:38,479
things as we start thinking through how

5525
04:17:38,479 --> 04:17:40,640
to process what's going to happen coming

5526
04:17:40,640 --> 04:17:43,359
up is these meetings end up being so

5527
04:17:43,359 --> 04:17:44,560
much because I think Chris is like you

5528
04:17:44,560 --> 04:17:46,080
only meet once a month and I've got to

5529
04:17:46,080 --> 04:17:48,239
get a lot covered. But if we're all

5530
04:17:48,239 --> 04:17:50,479
willing to say, hey, let's just zoom if

5531
04:17:50,479 --> 04:17:52,960
you need our guidance on something to

5532
04:17:52,960 --> 04:17:55,439
try to keep things moving quicker if

5533
04:17:55,439 --> 04:17:57,840
that's helpful. We can't you can't do

5534
04:17:57,840 --> 04:18:00,000
Zoom.

5535
04:18:00,000 --> 04:18:02,080
>> No.

5536
04:18:02,080 --> 04:18:04,159
or just but what I say is being open to

5537
04:18:04,159 --> 04:18:07,040
meeting more than um the once a month

5538
04:18:07,040 --> 04:18:09,279
sort of just to help process things

5539
04:18:09,279 --> 04:18:11,439
through. I'm totally willing to do it.

5540
04:18:11,439 --> 04:18:13,520
I'm just saying I I I want us to be able

5541
04:18:13,520 --> 04:18:16,000
to be responsive to the committee and to

5542
04:18:16,000 --> 04:18:18,399
Christa and try to process. So our

5543
04:18:18,399 --> 04:18:20,399
willingness to say, "Hey, we'll we'll be

5544
04:18:20,399 --> 04:18:23,120
there. We'll meet is very helpful." I

5545
04:18:23,120 --> 04:18:24,720
I'm totally committed to doing that

5546
04:18:24,720 --> 04:18:26,800
because I want us to move it this I

5547
04:18:26,800 --> 04:18:28,479
don't want us to be the roadblock. I

5548
04:18:28,479 --> 04:18:30,720
mean, if two can zoom in, that makes it

5549
04:18:30,720 --> 04:18:32,800
pretty easy for us as a group to have a

5550
04:18:32,800 --> 04:18:34,239
special meeting, you know, for

5551
04:18:34,239 --> 04:18:36,319
administrative things to approve, not if

5552
04:18:36,319 --> 04:18:39,920
we're trying to discuss something.

5553
04:18:39,920 --> 04:18:40,720
>> Yeah.

5554
04:18:40,720 --> 04:18:42,239
>> I'm sorry. You're talking about having a

5555
04:18:42,239 --> 04:18:43,760
special council meeting and have two

5556
04:18:43,760 --> 04:18:45,600
zoom in and the other three be here. Was

5557
04:18:45,600 --> 04:18:47,199
that what you just said?

5558
04:18:47,199 --> 04:18:48,800
>> If if there's something that needs to be

5559
04:18:48,800 --> 04:18:54,469
moved on quickly to approve something,

5560
04:18:54,479 --> 04:18:57,040
» yes, but you can't do that on a regular

5561
04:18:57,040 --> 04:19:00,159
basis. You can't you you have certain

5562
04:19:00,159 --> 04:19:02,640
reasons why you could participate

5563
04:19:02,640 --> 04:19:07,349
remotely. you

5564
04:19:07,359 --> 04:19:09,680
» you can only miss you can only do it for

5565
04:19:09,680 --> 04:19:12,159
certain reasons and

5566
04:19:12,159 --> 04:19:14,159
>> well no you can under the old Brown Act

5567
04:19:14,159 --> 04:19:15,760
rules which still apply if you publish

5568
04:19:15,760 --> 04:19:17,439
the agenda with their location and they

5569
04:19:17,439 --> 04:19:20,000
post the agenda at that location

5570
04:19:20,000 --> 04:19:21,920
>> you don't need to go for the just cause

5571
04:19:21,920 --> 04:19:24,399
reasons that the just cause kicks in

5572
04:19:24,399 --> 04:19:27,680
only if you want to do remote after the

5573
04:19:27,680 --> 04:19:29,920
uh agenda has been published so you

5574
04:19:29,920 --> 04:19:32,080
still can have two council members zoom

5575
04:19:32,080 --> 04:19:34,479
in if we know that ahead of time and we

5576
04:19:34,479 --> 04:19:36,159
publish the agenda with at their

5577
04:19:36,159 --> 04:19:37,120
locations.

5578
04:19:37,120 --> 04:19:39,040
>> And so could a council member do that

5579
04:19:39,040 --> 04:19:40,720
unlimitedly? So could a council member

5580
04:19:40,720 --> 04:19:42,880
do that all the time?

5581
04:19:42,880 --> 04:19:46,960
>> Yes, you can follow that process

5582
04:19:46,960 --> 04:19:50,399
that make their location part of the

5583
04:19:50,399 --> 04:19:52,000
public meeting and then the public would

5584
04:19:52,000 --> 04:19:53,920
be eligible to go to wherever that

5585
04:19:53,920 --> 04:19:55,920
address posted even if it's their homes.

5586
04:19:55,920 --> 04:19:57,279
>> Correct. You have to open up that

5587
04:19:57,279 --> 04:19:59,120
location to the public should the public

5588
04:19:59,120 --> 04:20:01,120
want to be there. because I've zoomed a

5589
04:20:01,120 --> 04:20:03,359
lot actually for for these meetings and

5590
04:20:03,359 --> 04:20:05,199
done that. I know you did one time. So,

5591
04:20:05,199 --> 04:20:06,399
I'm just saying because the summer

5592
04:20:06,399 --> 04:20:08,159
everyone's going to be traveling and I I

5593
04:20:08,159 --> 04:20:10,880
know how it is. So, I I just want and I

5594
04:20:10,880 --> 04:20:12,000
don't know if you guys will agree just

5595
04:20:12,000 --> 04:20:15,279
to be be available.

5596
04:20:15,279 --> 04:20:17,600
Yeah. So, let's all be open to that. And

5597
04:20:17,600 --> 04:20:19,920
Julie, you meet all the time and say

5598
04:20:19,920 --> 04:20:22,000
like let's call a special meeting to get

5599
04:20:22,000 --> 04:20:27,349
this processed.

5600
04:20:27,359 --> 04:20:30,479
Although I must say trying to set those

5601
04:20:30,479 --> 04:20:32,720
meetings sometimes can be tedious for

5602
04:20:32,720 --> 04:20:38,309
staff. So good luck.

5603
04:20:38,319 --> 04:20:42,600
» We done with any eval.