1 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,920 and then Ross. 2 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:53,189 >> Thank you. 3 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:55,120 PowerPoint. 4 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,670 >> I don't know if uh 5 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:01,199 it doesn't work. 6 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:02,480 No, I have to like log in. 7 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,479 >> Sign in. Just sign into your account. 8 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:07,840 >> Yes, it'll work. Put in your You want me 9 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:08,960 to put in mine? 10 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:22,789 >> Am I not 11 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:28,630 a ton of raw? 12 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:35,030 » Thank you for listening. 13 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,670 You're going to have to do 14 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:56,550 » Wait, what? Password. 15 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,630 » Hi everyone. 16 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,149 Wait a few minutes. 17 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:28,790 » Yes. 18 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,120 You want to try your just be Zach? 19 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,080 >> Yeah. 20 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:48,150 >> Damn. 21 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,239 Uh Zoom and undo the video. Is it 22 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:54,080 Well, give us a second. 23 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,040 >> Our power point isn't working. 24 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,040 >> Okay. 25 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,040 >> Well, that's just because of us. It's 26 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,720 >> It's not you guys. 27 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:05,519 >> Okay. 28 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:07,280 >> So, you're on you're in the meeting, but 29 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,040 you don't see anything. 30 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:14,309 >> Doesn't work. 31 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:16,239 » Okay. So, you're going to have to PDF 32 00:03:16,239 --> 00:03:17,519 it. 33 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:19,040 >> You're going to have to turn those into 34 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:20,159 PDFs. 35 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:21,920 >> Okay. Can I do that? Or what do you 36 00:03:21,920 --> 00:03:23,440 need, Mary? 37 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,159 >> Or I can do this while you do that. 38 00:03:26,159 --> 00:03:27,280 >> Do 39 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:33,190 >> um Can you put the video on? 40 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:38,470 » Okay. Now, do you see 41 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:39,920 » I can do this. 42 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,430 >> Do the 43 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,190 power. 44 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,920 » Oh, that's right. I'll be right back. 45 00:03:49,920 --> 00:04:21,189 >> You're not going to be able to open 46 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:24,240 He said, 47 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:35,270 "Huh? 48 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,919 But do participants do participants 49 00:04:39,919 --> 00:04:41,520 >> is there count? Yeah. Can you activate 50 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,440 the video? Is the video on? 51 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,990 >> Yes. Yeah, the video is on and council. 52 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:54,310 » They're just getting black on. 53 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:56,639 » Oh. Um, 54 00:04:56,639 --> 00:05:01,749 there now. Do you see this? 55 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,759 » Okay. So, you see it. So, You need to 56 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:07,280 get rid of Alex. You get rid of Alex 57 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:09,759 has do the participants again 58 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:12,080 >> so that there's not a double screen up 59 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,510 there. 60 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:19,670 add the back. 61 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:43,029 » Otherwise, you'll see us. 62 00:05:43,039 --> 00:05:48,710 How long does he get 63 00:05:48,720 --> 00:06:01,830 any 64 00:06:01,840 --> 00:06:05,199 Stephen, we're going to start. 65 00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:08,000 >> Um, we have we um we have we're having a 66 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,600 little bit of technical difficulty. So, 67 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,000 we have 68 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,440 >> Do you have the PDF? 69 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:14,400 >> Yeah. 70 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:15,440 >> I don't know if this is going to 71 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:16,800 connect. 72 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,479 >> Okay. 73 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:23,749 >> No, 74 00:06:23,759 --> 00:06:26,240 you're just gonna have to do it or right 75 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,080 click it and then try to open it. 76 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,759 >> But I'm not in the right. Will he let me 77 00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,720 into the right? 78 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:33,840 >> I was just going to open all of them 79 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:34,880 real quick. 80 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,560 >> No, I know. But instead of opening it 81 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:44,790 online 82 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:49,510 » and then 83 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:55,510 » Yeah, me too. 84 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,120 » So, do you want that video? All Scott is 85 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,960 seeing is Alice. He's not seeing the 86 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,880 council. 87 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:11,990 >> So I don't know what why. 88 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:13,919 » Can you see the participant go to 89 00:07:13,919 --> 00:07:15,680 participants and raise Scott to a 90 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,000 panelist? 91 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,880 >> Oh wait, you know what? Is the Zoom on? 92 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,510 >> I don't know. I'm 93 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,960 go to where the participants 94 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,080 I already have. 95 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,639 >> Okay. And then Scott, is Scott board 96 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:35,599 raise him to a panelist? 97 00:07:35,599 --> 00:07:37,120 >> Okay, you're there. 98 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,629 >> Yes. 99 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,680 » So, we need to get rid of your video, 100 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,000 but we need to see the council. Take 101 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,919 that off. You can turn that off. It's 102 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:50,080 just that they're not seeing that now. 103 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,319 You see council chamber. 104 00:07:52,319 --> 00:07:55,520 >> Oh, good. 105 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,520 >> Okay. Mute the council chambers left. Uh 106 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,000 mute mute this. 107 00:08:02,000 --> 00:20:57,990 >> Yeah. 108 00:20:58,000 --> 00:20:59,919 Mary, the second one isn't coming up. 109 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:15,990 Only the first one. 110 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:21,750 Yes, now I see you. 111 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,000 » Okay, so we're good. 112 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:36,070 >> All right. 113 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,320 Good evening and welcome to 114 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,559 our ADR meeting. 115 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:41,919 >> I have it on. 116 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:43,919 >> Did Can you hear me? 117 00:21:43,919 --> 00:21:45,039 >> Okay. 118 00:21:45,039 --> 00:21:47,760 >> Uh, welcome to our ADR meeting. It's 119 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,039 This is our call to order and uh we will 120 00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:52,480 introduce ourselves. I'm Joey 121 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,510 Buckingham. 122 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,840 » Hi, Laura Der. 123 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,320 >> And Mark Fritz. Thanks for coming 124 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,039 tonight everybody. Uh we now have an 125 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:06,240 open time for public comments. 126 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,039 Three minutes per speaker. Who's up? 127 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:12,320 >> No. Joey, 128 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,520 >> anyone out there. Okay. The next thing 129 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,720 is approval of minutes from our last uh 130 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,919 meeting on March 17th and I move to 131 00:22:21,919 --> 00:22:23,200 approve them. 132 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,080 >> I can second that. 133 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,200 >> Okay. So approved. We'll go to our first 134 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:32,960 project which is 101 Upper Road and we 135 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,960 will uh hear from 136 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Roberta or from Alex regarding this 137 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:45,750 project. 138 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,159 » Okay. Good evening ADR members. Uh 139 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,400 tonight the applicant at 101 Upper Road 140 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,960 is uh request a recommendation to the 141 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,559 town council for design review a 142 00:22:54,559 --> 00:22:58,320 hillside law permit and a variance. 143 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,960 forgot that this is not a powerpoint. 144 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:07,430 So this is the existing site here. 145 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,440 Okay, so the applicant is proposing to 146 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,600 construct new landscape improvements in 147 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,760 a northern portion of the property. 148 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,679 Proposed features include a pool and 149 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:18,640 spa, pool equipment, a patio, fire pit, 150 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,880 outdoor kitchen, retaining walls over 151 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,799 six feet in height, and an outdoor 152 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,559 shower. 153 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:27,360 This is a closer Oh. 154 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,240 a closer up of the project. In addition, 155 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,840 the project also includes installation 156 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,919 of a new 6ft tall grape stake fence 157 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,720 along the existing driveway. The 158 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,400 variance is required to allow the 159 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,080 proposed improvements within the side 160 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,559 and rear yard setbacks and to construct 161 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:46,799 retaining walls over 6 ft in height. 162 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:48,640 And then staff request that the ADR 163 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,480 group discuss the merits of the project 164 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,799 and propose a recommendation to the town 165 00:23:52,799 --> 00:23:55,520 council. Thank you. 166 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,919 Thanks, Alex. Uh, would the applicant or 167 00:23:57,919 --> 00:24:00,240 their designer like to propose the 168 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:19,110 project? Describe it. 169 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:20,799 » Hello. 170 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:22,640 >> Uh, thanks for having us. I'm Lexi 171 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,559 Verif. um the owner. Um this first off, 172 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,720 thank you guys uh for all the time you 173 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,880 guys uh spend on ADR. We really 174 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,279 appreciate it. Uh this is a resubmitt of 175 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:35,520 a project that we had approved through 176 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,840 town council with a building permit in 177 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,559 2023. Um uh there's no real changes 178 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:44,880 except for the roof uh has gone from a 179 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:49,200 living roof to a crushed uh gravel roof. 180 00:24:49,200 --> 00:25:01,110 Um so appreciate your consideration. 181 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:04,080 Hi everybody, Brad XT Imprint Landscape 182 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Architecture. Uh, as Alexi said, we had 183 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,640 this project approved in 2023 all the 184 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,880 way through ADR and to town council and 185 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,919 for a building permit and um some things 186 00:25:15,919 --> 00:25:17,679 happened during COVID and we had to put 187 00:25:17,679 --> 00:25:20,799 the project on hold and so all of our 188 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,440 approval processes became void and we 189 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,600 started over. So leading up to this plan 190 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,720 that you see here, we had made a couple, 191 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,640 you know, significant changes with 192 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,360 neighbor input regarding bulk and mass 193 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,640 and reducing the patio that was in front 194 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,480 of the building. And we changed the 195 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,480 building configuration to reduce patios 196 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,840 that jutted out towards the road. And so 197 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,279 we did go through some significant um 198 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:55,440 design changes at the time. And um the 199 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,120 last ADR we we received approval from 200 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,960 the members. I don't I think Mark was 201 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,720 here. I don't remember if Joey you were 202 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,000 here too. I believe 203 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,360 >> I was the first round but I was sick the 204 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:08,080 second round. 205 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,480 >> Okay. 206 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,880 >> But I think we have a notes. 207 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,640 >> And Laura, I don't remember if you were 208 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,159 here or not. 209 00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:15,279 >> I I was. Yeah. 210 00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:19,120 >> You were. Okay. Um, so we got the ADR 211 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:20,799 approval and we got town council 212 00:26:20,799 --> 00:26:24,480 approval and we took these drawings all 213 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,320 the way through building permit and all 214 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:33,760 we had to do was pay the permit fees and then the project just some things 215 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,440 happened COVID life upended and so the 216 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,120 project got put on hold. So, um, last 217 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,200 year I was contacted to bring the 218 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,720 project back and we start first started 219 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,200 with going to take the ADU out, try to 220 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,039 save some money and just do a bathroom 221 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,919 up in this location and that proved to 222 00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:57,679 be overly complicated because the 223 00:26:57,679 --> 00:26:59,520 bathroom didn't meet setbacks and there 224 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,679 was a lot of back and forth with that. 225 00:27:01,679 --> 00:27:04,640 So we just decided with staff 226 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,880 recommendations as well and trying to 227 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,279 work out the financial aspect of it just 228 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,919 to submit the exact same project that we 229 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:15,120 had submitted before. So we submitted it 230 00:27:15,120 --> 00:27:17,200 and it went back to fire and in that 231 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,679 time fire said we couldn't put a living 232 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,080 roof on anymore. So the code had 233 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:26,000 changed. So now the roof is a gravel 234 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,039 roof which is unfortunate but there's 235 00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,080 nothing I can do about it. So, the goal 236 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,000 was always to have this really tuck into 237 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 the hillside and not be visible from any 238 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,200 other property. Um, 239 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,200 I think that's it for me. I'm I'm happy 240 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,720 to answer any questions that you might 241 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,870 have uh moving forward. 242 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,559 » So, is the ad the ADU is just maybe a 243 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:53,840 down the line thing? 244 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,600 >> No, the ADU is happening for this 245 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:56,240 project. 246 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:56,880 >> Okay. 247 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,600 >> Um, no, it's the project is unchanged. 248 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,480 >> Okay. Yeah. 249 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,760 >> Is the does it exactly match the 250 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,919 rendering? There was some question about 251 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,799 a deep overhang on the rendering. Yeah. 252 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:12,640 >> It doesn't appear on the plans. 253 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,039 >> Yeah, we we had the rendering adjusted 254 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,080 today. Um 255 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,000 the bulk the majority of that rendering 256 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,320 was to show the fence because there was 257 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,480 an initial fence proposed that was kind 258 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,760 of heavy and really felt too um 259 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,480 too too visible from the road. So we 260 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:33,919 changed that fence to a really 261 00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:36,480 transparent wire type of a fence with 262 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,600 planting around it. And somehow the the 263 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,520 roof overhang didn't get picked up in 264 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,080 that rendering change. But all the 265 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,080 changes that are correct are on the 266 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,440 drawings. So that rendering, yeah, we 267 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,039 got it updated today in case you wanted 268 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,360 to see it, but that roofer overhang is 269 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,120 gone. 270 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,200 I actually have a question about the 271 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,840 removal of the green roof that obviously 272 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,240 was forced on you, but 273 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,320 >> that was a pretty attractive thing for 274 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,399 the people above you to look down on. 275 00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:06,720 Yeah. 276 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,799 >> And so now are they looking down on 277 00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:11,840 white gravel or what is this going to 278 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,159 look like? because maybe a pitched roof 279 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:16,240 would be more attractive there. 280 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,919 >> Well, the building's so tucked into the 281 00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:19,840 hillside that the the hillside's going 282 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,840 to kind of come down over part of it. 283 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:22,960 And there's, if you look on the 284 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,520 rendering, that's their driveway above 285 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,760 >> that cuts over like that's the property 286 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,799 line of 101 upper, cutting through the 287 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,200 middle of their driveway, and their 288 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,039 house is way far away from that. And 289 00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:36,799 there's oak trees and there's a hedge. 290 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:39,679 See the hedge along the driveway? 291 00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:41,760 This cannot be seen from anywhere. That 292 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,559 living roof was really a more of a 293 00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,360 feature for the pool area. Like you'd 294 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,960 see the grasses up on top of the roof 295 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,720 and the roof would feel like the 296 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,120 building's like really like tucked into 297 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,640 the hill. 298 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,880 >> Got it. How about do you have 299 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,240 >> I was just going to clarify something. 300 00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,360 We don't really have any purview for 301 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,120 this ADU though, right? 302 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,520 >> Like we have no I mean we don't 303 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,440 >> has a living roof or slanted roof. We 304 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,200 really don't. 305 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,279 >> Yeah, exactly. But that was that was our 306 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,600 only comment on our resubmitt. 307 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,760 >> So there's there's actually zero change 308 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,480 to the part that the ADR has any 309 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,279 >> that's what I was 310 00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,679 >> zero anything to mention. 311 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,760 >> One one other question and this is 312 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:22,720 actually 313 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,200 >> it is attached to the the 314 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,919 >> ADU but this there's a staircase that 315 00:30:27,919 --> 00:30:30,159 dumps down onto the driveway like a 316 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:32,320 spiral staircase. Is that still there? 317 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,399 And was that there before? That was 318 00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:36,320 there before and that's just like timber 319 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,399 steps into the hillside and that's 320 00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:40,159 there's an entrance to the house that's 321 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:42,559 staying but the fire department wanted a 322 00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,399 secondary access. Got it. 323 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,640 >> And they said it could just be like put 324 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,760 railroad ties into the hill and so they 325 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,600 could drag a hose up 326 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:52,880 >> from a fire truck. 327 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080 >> It was it's not meant to be a functional 328 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:57,840 access to this space. We're going to try 329 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,480 to hide it as much as anything. 330 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,039 >> Okay, great. 331 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:02,880 >> Yeah. There won't be an address to it or 332 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,480 anything like that. 333 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,440 >> Okay. Thank you. 334 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:05,919 >> Yeah. 335 00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,720 >> Does anyone have any other questions of 336 00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,799 Brad? 337 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:12,559 >> Does anyone in the audience have any 338 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:25,430 comments or online? Yes. 339 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,799 » Um I'm curious. I live um down I I live 340 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,240 on um Sierra Circle which is there and 341 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,120 there are a lot of it's down below Toyon 342 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:43,120 Drive and so my my question is um were there and I don't and I've never 343 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,200 had done something like this so I don't 344 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,880 know if I'm out of line with my question 345 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,320 so excuse me if I am but um was were 346 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,320 there any studies done excuse me 347 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,120 >> um as to the 348 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,519 >> Is this for 101 upper 349 00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:59,120 >> it's for 101 one and and 313. Yeah. 350 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,200 >> Because they're both doing extensions. 351 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,519 And so my concern is the stability of 352 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,320 the hillside because there have been 353 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,399 slides coming down that have come down 354 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:13,840 that hillside before. I mean pretty bad 355 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:18,000 >> on onto Sierra Circle. Um and so I'm 356 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,480 just concerned about the and there's a 357 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,760 lot of um underground water in the 358 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,360 winter time there streams um even during 359 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,440 like now there's there's water that 360 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,320 comes down. 361 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,200 >> Are you referring to 313 upper toyon 362 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:33,760 >> both? 363 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,000 >> Okay. Okay. I get it. I get it. Just 364 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,399 it's a general commentary on drainage 365 00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:38,640 and 366 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,080 >> right. Yeah. I just well and I just want 367 00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,279 to make sure that the stability for the place houses below have been taken 368 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:49,279 into consideration on you know extensive 369 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:50,799 buildouts up above 370 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:55,039 >> the ADR this design review that we run 371 00:32:55,039 --> 00:32:57,440 on these nights is really more about the 372 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,919 design and if it meets the criteria of 373 00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:03,600 the town's code any project that would 374 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,559 be approved by the town and go through 375 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,080 building planning 376 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,120 >> they have to submit all sorts of soil 377 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,440 soils engineers, structural engineers, 378 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,559 civil engineers, drainage, you know, 379 00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,760 they are very well vetted before they 380 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:20,799 can build something like this. 381 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:22,159 >> And they take into consideration. 382 00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:23,440 >> Oh, yes. Yeah. Okay. 383 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,080 >> Yes. It's it's pretty hard to get the 384 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,240 permit to build such a thing. 385 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:28,799 >> Okay. 386 00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:30,559 >> Because a lot of agencies and 387 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,320 consultants are required. 388 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:32,799 >> Okay. 389 00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:35,679 >> But our job here tonight is much more of 390 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:36,960 a design. 391 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,960 >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. But thank you for 392 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,679 coming. 393 00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:40,960 >> My question. It's good to 394 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,880 >> No, thank you for coming. It's a valid 395 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:43,840 worry. 396 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,269 >> Thank you. 397 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,750 » Yes. 398 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,880 » So to your question, um uh we did have a 399 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,679 full uh structural engineer and mockup 400 00:33:57,679 --> 00:33:59,840 and when we went through approval uh 401 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,159 previously, uh we've submitted all that. 402 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,320 Um and so yes, we've gone through all 403 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,480 the necessary steps even though it's not 404 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,079 at this stage. Uh we did it previously. 405 00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,800 >> Thanks. 406 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,280 >> So I'm going to bring it back to ADR if 407 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,240 we have any questions or if we are ready 408 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,159 to make our commentary. 409 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:21,760 >> No questions for me. 410 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,280 >> Any questions? Do you want to start? 411 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,800 >> Um sure. I I think based on the fact 412 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,040 that the project hasn't changed from 413 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,679 when we approved it before, I feel 414 00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,320 comfortable going ahead and approving it 415 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,399 again. Thanks. 416 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:40,399 >> Yeah, same here. No additional comments. 417 00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,240 Still a good project. Hope you're able 418 00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:43,599 to build it. 419 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:46,320 >> Same three. 420 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,470 >> Okay, good luck. 421 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,119 The next project is 313 Upper Toyan 422 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,680 and Alex or Robera, would you guys like 423 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,040 to 424 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,440 >> Yeah. Yeah. Good evening. Uh ADR members 425 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:04,000 to us. 426 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,839 >> Tonight, the applicant at 313 upper 427 00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:08,400 Toyan is requesting a recommendation to 428 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,920 the town council for design review and a 429 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,400 hillside lot permit. The project is 430 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,320 proposing I'll give you a sec. All 431 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,240 right. This is the existing site right 432 00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:19,359 now and the um they're proposing to 433 00:35:19,359 --> 00:35:22,079 build a new swimming pool where the 434 00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:28,630 existing lawn is at. You can here is the 435 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,359 let me zoom in. 436 00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:34,079 Okay. Uh this indoor this new outdoor 437 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,079 pool will replace the indoor pool and 438 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:37,520 the project will also include 439 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,880 approximately 280 ft of new heartscape 440 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,320 between the main residence and the 441 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,800 proposed pool. Uh, the pool equipment 442 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,880 will be located beneath a future parking 443 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,560 pad approved back in 2025 and staff 444 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,160 request that the EDR group provide a 445 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:53,760 recommendation to the town council. 446 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,320 Thank you. 447 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,599 >> Thanks, Alex. Is there a applicant here? 448 00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:01,440 Architect, 449 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,390 designer. 450 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,200 » Good afternoon. Uh, Bob Dwire, Element 451 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160 Outdoor Pool Construction. It's a pretty 452 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,480 simple project. There's an existing pool 453 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,240 that was removed. We're moving the pool 454 00:36:16,240 --> 00:36:18,480 to the outside. It is all supported on 455 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,040 peers, so there's no influence on the 456 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,040 wall itself. We won't introduce any 457 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,040 additional water to the soils, 458 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:26,800 obviously, because the pool's designed 459 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,960 not to leak. So, I'm not sure any other 460 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,880 input I could have for you, but uh 461 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,800 rather simple, I think. 462 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,440 >> Thank you. Do you have any questions, 463 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,920 Adr of 464 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,800 Gentlemen, 465 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,359 >> could could you guys pull up the section 466 00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,480 that shows the pool equipment? 467 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,480 >> Um, 468 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,000 do you have that on there, Alex? 469 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,400 >> Yeah. Give me a sec. 470 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,640 >> It's going to be down below the wall. 471 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,400 Okay. So, the pool will be up top and 472 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,280 the equipment will be lower than the pool. 473 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,160 >> It is it enclosed? 474 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,160 >> No, it's an open. It's the existing 475 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,079 equipment is open now and this would be 476 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,160 open also. Oh, so that's where the 477 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,320 equipment for the indoor pool is. 478 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,839 >> Yeah, there's an existing equipment 479 00:37:13,839 --> 00:37:15,680 location for the indoor pool. Now, I'm 480 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,520 not sure if that moved because of a 481 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,760 setback, but it would be behind the same 482 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160 wall. 483 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,680 >> My understanding is that the pool 484 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,839 equipment is going under the previously 485 00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:26,320 approved. 486 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,640 >> I don't I don't know anything about the 487 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,000 deck or the the carport. 488 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,720 >> The pool equipment is going Remember 489 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,560 this is the project that has the parking 490 00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,800 deck that we approved. They're tucking 491 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,640 the pool equipment under that, 492 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,440 >> right? 493 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,800 >> That's what I thought. And then is it 494 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,480 >> I understood from the presentation. 495 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,960 >> And then is that in an enclosed? 496 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:48,720 >> It's not. I mean, 497 00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:50,079 >> no, there's no fencing around it or 498 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:52,000 anything like that. It's an open pad 499 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,680 with there's air conditioning there. 500 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,400 There's all different equipment 501 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,040 >> existing. 502 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:57,440 >> Okay. 503 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,560 >> The parking pad. Oh, my mouse is kind of 504 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,320 >> Do you have that, Alex? Do you have that 505 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,760 in the in the drawings? Is the parking 506 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,480 pad there? 507 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,800 >> It it it's going to be here, but it it's 508 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,800 not showing on the drawings, but it's 509 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,079 going to be like this is where the 510 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,320 parking pad is going to be. And this is 511 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,800 where the pool equipment 512 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,119 is going to be located. And this is the 513 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:20,160 elevation of the pool equipment down 514 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,480 there. 515 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,000 >> Okay. Thank you. 516 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,839 >> But this is where ex Yeah, this is where 517 00:38:23,839 --> 00:38:25,599 the pool equipment I mean the parking 518 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:26,560 pad's going to be. 519 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,440 >> Okay. Thank you. 520 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,800 >> I don't have any further questions. You 521 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,520 guys have any further questions? 522 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000 >> You have any further questions? 523 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,520 Um, 524 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,480 I guess not. Are there any public 525 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,520 comments on this project? 526 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:42,320 >> Thank you, sir. 527 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,200 >> Oh, you're welcome. 528 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:55,589 >> There's no one online. 529 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,320 » No, no, no one online. 530 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:05,030 >> Okay, back to us for discussion. 531 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:06,800 I'll go first. Yeah, go ahead. I don't 532 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,480 have any problem with the project, the 533 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640 pool, where it's it's being moved from 534 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,800 inside to outside. It seems like a 535 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,720 perfect place for it. I do have a 536 00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:17,839 problem with the uh pool equipment not 537 00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:21,280 being better screened or covered just 538 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,920 from a track, you know, just from a 539 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,160 aesthetic point of view and a noise 540 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,000 point of view. I think it can be 541 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200 enclosed in some kind of a noise proof 542 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,920 uh enclosure. We basically make 543 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,800 everybody else do that. It's 544 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,400 >> you enclosed building 545 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,800 >> and it there there's all sorts of pool 546 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,640 pardon me pool equipment enclosures that 547 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,359 meet the decibel requirement for 548 00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:51,359 there. We use them all the time in these 549 00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,520 various projects, but basically enclose 550 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,560 it so it's soundproof 551 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,760 and people don't see it also. 552 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,440 >> Yeah, I don't know where anybody would 553 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,270 see this. 554 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,960 » I'm not sure where anybody would see 555 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,480 this equipment, but as far as 556 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,320 soundproofing it, um, we've done sound 557 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,359 walls around it, screening, but, uh, if 558 00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:17,119 we start putting a roof on it, then we 559 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:20,400 have to vent the heater. Um, 560 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,440 but we'd al definitely entertain looking 561 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,960 at, you know, limiting the sound. 562 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,640 >> What do you, that's basically our 563 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:29,359 requirement. 564 00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:31,359 >> Yeah, I think I think it's location 565 00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,520 based on the the topography. It's 566 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,760 sitting up above, you know, projecting 567 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:37,920 down the canyon. I would think that 568 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,760 there should be some soundation around 569 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,079 the pool. We we generally 570 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,800 >> apply that rule across the board. Um, 571 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,400 regardless of how close it is to a 572 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:47,359 proper line. When it's closer to a 573 00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:48,960 proper line, we like to to really be 574 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,720 enclosed with a roof and whatnot. 575 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:52,400 >> I think in this particular case, I could 576 00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,079 see recommending 577 00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:55,440 >> surrounding it on three sides because 578 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,359 the back side is already the the 579 00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:58,160 retaining wall, 580 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:58,640 >> right? 581 00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,800 >> So, I could see something that's sound 582 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,480 uh mitigating this so it doesn't project 583 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,359 down the canyon. Um that would be 584 00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:07,200 something I'd recom I strongly 585 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,920 recommend. 586 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,040 >> And you have u parameters for that for 587 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,000 us to look at to establish a design for 588 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,240 that. We do have some decibel parameters 589 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:19,520 that uh are in our in our you guys can 590 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,000 share those. 591 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,960 >> Yes, we also have Alex online. Uh can 592 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,920 you hear us? 593 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,599 >> Yes. Can you hear me? Okay. 594 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:26,480 >> Yeah. 595 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,800 >> Okay, great. Um thank you all for 596 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,440 reviewing this. I am the owner of the 597 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,440 property. I have just a few sick kids at 598 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,760 home, so I wasn't able to attend today. 599 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,720 Um, so I did want to clarify that with 600 00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,720 the parking deck that you guys approved 601 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:44,240 for us, there was a design to have 602 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:46,800 screening done where the equipment was 603 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,000 for aesthetic purposes for the neighbor 604 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,880 as well as for sound purposes. And so we 605 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,319 will be uh carrying through that. The 606 00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:59,119 pool equipment where it sits currently 607 00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:02,560 um is in the setback um which is where 608 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,880 it was existing uh when the home was 609 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,440 built I believe. And so we will be 610 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,680 moving it to the left side of where the 611 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,079 generator is um further from the 612 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:15,520 neighbor uh so that it is not in the 613 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,839 setback anymore and closer to where the 614 00:42:17,839 --> 00:42:21,520 pool is. And so the screening should uh 615 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,280 follow the concrete pad essentially that 616 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,200 is at the lower part of the retaining 617 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,400 wall and um should include this along 618 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,680 with the uh the AC condenser units and 619 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,800 the um the generator that's there. 620 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,240 >> Perfect. I appreciate that 621 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,359 clarification. 622 00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:42,560 >> Sure. Not a problem. 623 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:43,359 >> Yeah, that's great. 624 00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:44,400 >> Yeah. 625 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,040 >> Okay. Uh I my comments are really the 626 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,280 same as 627 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,720 um Mark and Joey. So the main concern is 628 00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:54,480 just the noise from that equipment 629 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,240 because it is you know sound travels 630 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:02,319 down and um the neighbor's house is also 631 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:04,240 kind of right there. So if that's 632 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:05,920 addressed I think the location of the 633 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,079 pool looks great. So thanks. So just to 634 00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,520 wrap it up, we move to approve 30 pool 635 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,560 location's fine, equipment location is 636 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,720 fine, but please provide sound 637 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:20,319 attenuation 638 00:43:20,319 --> 00:43:23,119 on basically three sides and then the 639 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:24,800 fourth side is the retaining wall. 640 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,079 >> Yep, sounds right. 641 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:26,640 >> Thank you. 642 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:34,309 >> Oh, thank you. 643 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:38,319 » Just in time. Next project is 111 644 00:43:38,319 --> 00:43:42,000 Bolinus Avenue. And Alex, could you 645 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,720 >> uh Good evening. Uh the applicant at 111 646 00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:46,640 Bolinas Avenue is requesting a 647 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,200 recommendation to the count council for 648 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,680 uh design review, an ADU permit, and a 649 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,880 non-conformity permit. 650 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,920 Okay. So, this is the existing site 651 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,400 plan. Um 652 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,839 you can see here and this is the 653 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:04,720 proposed site plan with the additions. 654 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:06,720 Uh the project proposes to convert the 655 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,880 existing 492T cottage into a detach ADU 656 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,520 and transfer 338 square feet of floor 657 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,079 area to the existing residence. The 658 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:17,680 scope of work includes an interior 659 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,160 remodel with additions no changes to the 660 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,640 exterior materials. The project also 661 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,400 proposes to expand the rear deck to 662 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:28,480 align with the addition seen here. 663 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,319 A non-conformity permit is required to 664 00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:31,920 allow extending the house which is 665 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,599 currently non-conforming with respect to 666 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:36,240 the setbacks. An ADU permit is required 667 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:38,560 to allow the existing cottage to be 668 00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,359 converted to a new ADU and transfer 669 00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:44,640 square footage to the primary residence. 670 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,280 And staff request that the ADR group 671 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,800 discuss the merits of the project and 672 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,880 provide a formal recommendation to the 673 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,880 town council. And these are some of the 674 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,839 elev elevations of the uh proposed 675 00:44:55,839 --> 00:44:57,440 additions. 676 00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,000 East elevation, north elevation, 677 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,040 west elevation, south elevation, uh the 678 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:08,000 deck expansion here. That's it. 679 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,920 >> Thanks, Alex. And would the applicant 680 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,599 like to uh present? 681 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:14,480 >> Yeah, I believe the applicants online. 682 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,440 Let me um 683 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,440 >> No, it's actually they're right they're 684 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:18,319 right here behind. 685 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:19,200 >> Sorry. 686 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:26,470 >> Yes. Yes. Thanks. 687 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,680 hear me? Yep. Good. Hi, I'm Dave Jookum, 688 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,440 the architect, and I just want to 689 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,839 clarify a couple things. Uh, it's 690 00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:36,560 partially my fault. It is my fault. Uh, 691 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,960 the the square footage of the ADU is or 692 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:42,960 cottage now turned into an ADU is 693 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,720 actually 421. 694 00:45:44,720 --> 00:45:46,560 And the amount of square footage we're 695 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,000 transferring is 208. and that shows on 696 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,240 uh the first page, the cover page with 697 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,560 the uh project data. That is all 698 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,839 accurate. What's inaccurate is is the 699 00:45:57,839 --> 00:45:59,839 little uh project description down at 700 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:02,640 the bottom corner of that page, but it's 701 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,960 that it's all accurate. 702 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,160 And so I uh just a couple of things to 703 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,480 clarify. Uh the reason that the uh the 704 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,319 two additions, not the front one, but 705 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:19,119 the two rear editions at the back um are 706 00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:22,240 non-conforming is because like every 707 00:46:22,240 --> 00:46:24,240 project on that or every house on that 708 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:26,480 street, it they were built before the 709 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,160 current zoning. So, um we've got 5'4 on 710 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:33,839 one side, 8 feet on the other side. And 711 00:46:33,839 --> 00:46:37,440 um if if we were if the house were 712 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,960 actually built in the um within all the 713 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,000 setbacks, it would be 30 ft wide, 90 ft 714 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:48,240 long. Um which we'd have to build 30 ft 715 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,880 wide, 80 ft long just to get the square 716 00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,960 footage in there that we were talking 717 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,480 about. So that's basically a San 718 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,960 Francisco rowhouse, you know, which is 719 00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,280 usually 25 ft wide and that would be 30 720 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,319 ft wide. So, we're we're like all the 721 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,200 other houses on the uh on the block, and 722 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:06,960 we're just filling out little mouse 723 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,160 bites that are in the in the house. 724 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560 Um, and then the other thing that I 725 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,319 wanted to clarify was about the deck 726 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:16,640 extension on the back. It's basically 727 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,839 just a a deep uh landing outside the 728 00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:25,280 doors. It's 5t deep um and it's um um a 729 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,760 foot off the ground. So it's it's not a 730 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:29,440 gargantuan duck that's looking over 731 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:30,720 neighbors or anything like that. So 732 00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:31,359 that's all it is. 733 00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:33,040 >> Hold on just a sec. Could you put the 734 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,200 plans back? I love looking at Dave, but 735 00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:36,960 I would like to see the plans on the 736 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:37,520 screen. 737 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,000 >> Yeah, 738 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,119 >> it we just had had them up for a sec. 739 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,760 >> Uh do you want the elevations or the 740 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,599 >> just we can wherever what you're 741 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:47,119 whatever you're talking about. It would 742 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,440 be nice to see it on the screen. 743 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,670 >> Yeah, but it's not working. 744 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,319 » I can use my mouse. That's I can I can 745 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,400 go point. It's not working. 746 00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,280 >> No. 747 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,309 >> Yeah. 748 00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:05,839 » See it? 749 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:08,640 >> We're We're having techn technological 750 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:16,870 difficulties in this room tonight. 751 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,640 » So, the little mouse bites we're filling 752 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,480 in is this one and this one. This deck 753 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,640 goes along and wraps into where that 754 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,359 this extension is now. 755 00:48:29,359 --> 00:48:33,440 So, we're replacing that deck with with 756 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,680 a new building to fill out that mouse 757 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,880 bite. And then this deck is just 758 00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,359 extending over to the edge. And that's 759 00:48:41,359 --> 00:48:44,559 basically just a a 5-ft landing a foot 760 00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,640 off the ground to get you down to the 761 00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,760 backyard. Um, that's all it is. And this 762 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160 just fills out this little corner. Uh 763 00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,440 making that that's that is the existing 764 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,040 master bath. And so we're, you know, 765 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,359 adding 40% area to the master bath. 766 00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:06,240 >> Okay. Thank you. Do any of you have any 767 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:09,839 questions of Dave or the 768 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:10,240 >> No. 769 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:13,200 >> Robera or Alex? Is there anyone in the 770 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,200 audience who has any questions or 771 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,280 online? 772 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,760 Uh, and there's no one online. 773 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,599 >> Okay, we'll bring it back to the ADR. 774 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:27,440 Uh, who wants to go first with this one? 775 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,200 >> Um, I can go first. I I think that the 776 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,760 project looks like a nice project. Um, 777 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,720 appreciate the, you know, small scale of 778 00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:40,000 the renovation materials that match 779 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,800 existing. Um, 780 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,839 and the 781 00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,559 change from the square footage to turn 782 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:51,599 the shed in the back or the little guest 783 00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:54,720 room in the back to a ADU. 784 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,559 I mean, that's all Roberta, that's all 785 00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:00,319 correct, right? Like, we don't have to 786 00:50:00,319 --> 00:50:03,119 Okay. Um, 787 00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,160 and I mean I think the main thing is the 788 00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,680 deck, but it's 12 in off the ground, so 789 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,319 it's not like it's 3 ft out looking into 790 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:14,079 the neighbor's backyard. So because of 791 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:18,559 that, I could see the exception for that 792 00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:21,359 um to get a variance. 793 00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:24,000 Um, 794 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,040 yeah. And the one the one thing 795 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,040 that in elevation from the uh east side 796 00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,599 I didn't love was the roof line of the 797 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,160 new addition at the rear, but no one's 798 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,000 ever going to really see that, I don't 799 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,880 think. Um it's really well screened 800 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,440 between the neighbors and so um I'm okay 801 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,839 with it as designed. 802 00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:49,599 Thanks. 803 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:51,520 >> I'll go next. I have no problem with the 804 00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,480 design. I think it's a really good use 805 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,640 of the extra square footage that they 806 00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:00,079 gained from the ADU conversion. And I 807 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,119 the findings I would make are that on 808 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,040 that street, I mean, if they were to put 809 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,920 that extra square footage anywhere else 810 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,160 in the house, it would either be in the 811 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,160 front of the house, in the middle, or in 812 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,800 the back, in the middle. there's kind of 813 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,440 that it's in the logical place and it 814 00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,000 doesn't really I mean we talk a lot 815 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400 about exacerbating a nonconformity but 816 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,599 everything on that street is 817 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,520 non-conforming and pretty much anywhere 818 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,720 you put that square footage is 819 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,520 non-conforming so bottom line I can 820 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,750 support it as drawn 821 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,520 » yeah 100% I don't have any additional 822 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,040 comments it's perfectly in keeping with 823 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:38,400 the types of houses that are along 824 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520 bolinus and I think that deck uh to the 825 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,040 earlier points 826 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,160 barely will register um because it's so 827 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:47,359 close to the ground. I don't think it's 828 00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:49,200 an impediment to the neighbors in any 829 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:50,640 way, shape, or form. So, I could support 830 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:52,480 that variance. Yeah. 831 00:51:52,480 --> 00:52:00,390 >> Great. So, 30 approved. Thanks. 832 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,680 » Okay, we have one last one. Can everyone 833 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,280 hear me? We have three Willow Hill Road. 834 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,520 And Alex, take it away. 835 00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,280 >> Yeah. The uh the applicant at three 836 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:12,880 Willowhood Road is requesting a 837 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,640 recommendation to the town council for 838 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,960 design review, non-conformity permit, a 839 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:19,520 hillside lot permit, and a variance. So, 840 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:24,630 this is the existing site here. 841 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,559 And they are proposing an interior 842 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,880 remodel with a Juliet balcony off the 843 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,520 sun sunroom and an exterior spiral 844 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,680 staircase connecting to the deck. The 845 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,000 project also proposes reconstruction of 846 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,319 the existing non-conforming two-level 847 00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:40,720 rear deck which will be reduced in size 848 00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:43,200 and include a barbecue area, a steel 849 00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:47,040 trellis, sun shade at the upper level. 850 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,559 Uh 851 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:51,280 here 852 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,520 uh new terraces with stacked stone walls 853 00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,440 and a hot tub are also proposed in the 854 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,800 rear yard and a new parking deck is 855 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,200 proposed adjacent to the existing 856 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,839 garage. A non-conformative permit is 857 00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:05,680 required to allow the reconstruction of 858 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,720 the existing deck and a variance is 859 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,720 required to construct the terraces walls 860 00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,480 in the rear yard setback, a hot tub and 861 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,920 a and the trellis in the rear and 862 00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,160 sideyard setback and the parking deck in 863 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,400 the front yard setback and staff 864 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,400 requires that the ADR group provide a 865 00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,160 recommendation to the town council. 866 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,599 Thank you. 867 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:25,680 >> Thanks, Alex. And would the applicant 868 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:39,109 like to propose the project? 869 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,079 Good evening. 870 00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:40,800 >> Hi 871 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040 >> everybody. Steven, is he here or he's 872 00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:44,720 just in the ether out there somewhere? 873 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:45,359 Or maybe not. 874 00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,839 >> He is not with us this evening. 875 00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,800 >> Well, anyway, we were here I think a lot 876 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,480 much like the first project that was 877 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,040 presented three years ago or more uh 878 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,079 with a very kind of similar proposal. uh 879 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,119 previous proposal that was approved uh 880 00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,480 included the rebuild of the deck, uh a 881 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:07,520 lot of the kind of restoration of the 882 00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,079 hillside, but it also included a 883 00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,559 swimming pool. Um 884 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,960 so, uh anyway, uh here we are now. And I 885 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,960 think that there's a lot of similarities 886 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,920 between what we previously presented and 887 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,240 what's here now, but there's much more 888 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,559 emphasis on the deck, I think, in the 889 00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:29,680 living experience of 890 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,440 um 891 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,640 being in on the hillside there. And if 892 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,559 you've visited, I think you all have 893 00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:39,440 maybe visited the property and 894 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,440 um everything that's being done here or 895 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,000 proposed is voluntary. So, there's 896 00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,920 already an existing deck there, right? 897 00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,760 You can put furniture on and live 898 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,280 outside, but it just is really 899 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,800 unsightly. 900 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,640 Uh there's a strong emphasis, I think, 901 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,960 for the homeowner who we've done many 902 00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,359 projects with to uh really make it a 903 00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:01,040 home and make it make sense. And uh so 904 00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,359 the idea of replacing that deck um for a 905 00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:09,119 more uh uh kind of enjoyable outdoor 906 00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,200 experience, but also to make something 907 00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,359 that fits, I think, on the hillside in 908 00:55:13,359 --> 00:55:16,319 this very challenging site 909 00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:19,359 uh uh more appropriate, I'll just say. 910 00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:22,400 And I think that um you know, a lot of 911 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,400 the experience of the house is viewed 912 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,000 through this deck, too, from the 913 00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,640 bedrooms below. 914 00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,119 And I think the idea of lightening that 915 00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:33,119 structure and making it a structure of 916 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,280 interest will help those spaces as well. 917 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,079 Um and and then another kind of 918 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:45,119 motivation is to I think bring 919 00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:48,160 the experience down to the garden which 920 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,359 currently is just a benched off flat 921 00:55:51,359 --> 00:55:55,359 area. Um and you know the again another 922 00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:59,119 voluntary kind of experiential exercise 923 00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,240 is to bring the hillside back restore 924 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:04,400 the hillside and bring it back to the 925 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,200 house. And we're proposing a series of 926 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,119 these circular uh terraces that aren't 927 00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,440 the hillside but they mimic the hillside 928 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,400 and are also uh areas of which you could 929 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,440 occupy and have access to the rest of 930 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,240 the site. So, uh, it helps ground the 931 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,920 building. Um, and you know, I think 932 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,119 again makes this such a val, you know, 933 00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:31,760 otherwise unused portion of the 934 00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,760 property, makes it inviting and like an 935 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,119 experience that you would want to 936 00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:41,280 participate in. Um 937 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,200 the uh other aspect of this project I 938 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,359 think Alex that you pointed out is the 939 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:51,920 uh parking deck which is um 940 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,160 adjacent to the existing garage 941 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,079 structure. And one of the initial like 942 00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,400 uh head scratchers uh if you've been up 943 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,480 that road is like you know visitors 944 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,880 coming and kind of taking your life into 945 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,640 your hands like backing out of the 946 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,240 driveway and or driving way up the to 947 00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,240 the top of the hill to turn around in 948 00:57:12,240 --> 00:57:14,559 somebody else's driveway. So, uh, 949 00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:17,119 there's a real need, I think, for the 950 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:20,960 ability for a car to kind of maneuver, 951 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,359 park safely or visitor to come and back, 952 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:27,760 you know, pull in and then back safely 953 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,280 back out onto Willow Hill. And I also 954 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,480 think that a number of the 955 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,000 few neighbors that are on this hill 956 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:37,760 would appreciate it, I think, as well, 957 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,400 just having that, 958 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,760 I think, access to a turnaround up 959 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,760 there. Um, 960 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,280 so, um, I think that, you know, pretty 961 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,760 much, uh, other than the details, I 962 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,000 think that kind of describes what we're 963 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,119 looking to do here. So, I'm happy to 964 00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,920 answer any questions that 965 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:00,319 any 966 00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:00,880 >> Thank you. 967 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:01,200 >> Yeah. 968 00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,520 >> Do Do any of you either of you have 969 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,520 questions 970 00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,640 >> of the designer? 971 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:09,839 >> Sure. I I have two questions. Uh first, 972 00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:12,400 I guess what was the thought process 973 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,400 when locating the spa, the hot tub? 974 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,920 >> Uh well, there's an area down uh at the 975 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,200 lower level. Uh it's also for privacy I 976 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,040 think too from viewing from the upper 977 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,200 part of the deck. There's also an area 978 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,839 that is on the lower part of the site 979 00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:32,559 that is below the bedroom level that has 980 00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:36,400 access to kind of a changing room or 981 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,440 like potentially you know a bathroom 982 00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,280 down there. So putting it, I think, at 983 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:44,559 that edge is also another kind of 984 00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:47,920 element, a built element that helps with 985 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,760 restoring the hillside down there, too, 986 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,319 because we're taking that long asphalt 987 00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:53,599 driveway out. So 988 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,200 >> Oh, it is. Okay, that was my second 989 00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,040 question was going to be about that 990 00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:58,799 driveway because that Yeah, 991 00:58:58,799 --> 00:59:00,640 >> I pulled into that. I'm sorry. I pulled 992 00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,760 into that today and then I had to 993 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:06,400 >> back up, go up the hill. 994 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,760 >> Yeah. uh and it's right at the edge of 995 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,520 the property. So there's it's on a 996 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,040 cliff, you know. So there's like we 997 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,480 looked and looked and looked at the 998 00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,400 possibility of creating a kind of a 999 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,559 parking pad there or turnaround and it 1000 00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,799 just became a monumental kind of 1001 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:20,640 engineering exercise. So 1002 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:21,040 >> okay, 1003 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,799 >> so the idea is that we we're bringing 1004 00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:24,720 the hills that beautiful hillside and 1005 00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,520 the um natives up to the building edge 1006 00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,240 and just you know getting rid of the 1007 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,200 kind of carved in scars that have just 1008 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,240 whatever been a practical necessity I 1009 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:41,520 think over the years. But 1010 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,480 um yeah, 1011 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,319 >> are any of those little terraces the 1012 00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:50,960 lower level walls do they reach anything 1013 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,319 above 3 ft? 1014 00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:55,040 >> No, we terrace them all up to 30 in. So 1015 00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,599 we don't need any handrails or 1016 00:59:57,599 --> 00:59:58,880 >> that was intentional. Yeah. 1017 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,599 >> And no real tree loss for those as well, 1018 01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:02,640 right? 1019 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,960 >> No, not for those. are sort of uh being 1020 01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,960 built on top of what's now a kind of a 1021 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,079 flat 1022 01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:11,920 >> grass area. Um there are yeah there's 1023 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,599 the beauty of those trees that are 1024 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,599 around there. We're not proposing to 1025 01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:16,960 take out any of those. If anything, 1026 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,880 we're kind of pulling those trees with 1027 01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,240 new specimens or new plants up the 1028 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,040 hillside, you know, big big box trees 1029 01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,760 that will kind of I think get as close 1030 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,960 to a instant environment there as you 1031 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,359 can, you know, like in terms of Yeah. 1032 01:00:33,359 --> 01:00:35,119 practically. So, 1033 01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:37,440 >> question at this point, has this gone 1034 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,359 through fire department? Because 1035 01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:39,680 >> yeah, 1036 01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:42,720 >> there's a very good chance a lot of 1037 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,440 trees will be leaving you. I yeah I 1038 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,200 think it went through some scrutiny. 1039 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:49,599 Yeah. So head shaking over there. Thanks 1040 01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:52,880 Savannah. But uh yeah so 1041 01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:01,750 if you want to come 1042 01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,240 » the fire the fire department did see all 1043 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,319 of the plans and they didn't have any 1044 01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,000 comments about the trees. They were okay 1045 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,200 with the trees that we were taking 1046 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,280 because we were adding so many more. And 1047 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,359 the trees that we were taking were are 1048 01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:18,960 um fire prone I guess. Um they did have 1049 01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:20,880 other issues but with something else 1050 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:23,280 that we removed from the project. So 1051 01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,040 they have seen the project and we've 1052 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,040 discussed with them. Um great all of 1053 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:28,240 these aspects. 1054 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,480 >> I'm just kind of curious actually. Thank 1055 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:31,520 you. Thank you. 1056 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,359 >> Any other questions of 1057 01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:37,839 >> um Sure. just questions now focusing on 1058 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:39,359 the 1059 01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:43,599 steel mesh railings um at the deck and 1060 01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,079 then also the volume at the spiral 1061 01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:50,319 staircase. Um sorry if you could explain 1062 01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:50,880 that a little bit. 1063 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,799 >> Yeah, expand on that. Well, I think that 1064 01:01:52,799 --> 01:01:56,240 the um mesh is a you know it's a 1065 01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,839 transparent I think there's some images 1066 01:01:57,839 --> 01:01:59,839 up there of the mesh that we've used 1067 01:01:59,839 --> 01:02:01,520 successfully 1068 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,079 uh in the past. Um, I think that 1069 01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,720 there's, you know, there's a maybe a 1070 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,799 initial thought that when you do a deck 1071 01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:13,280 or minimal deck, you do some linear 1072 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:15,599 cable railing or make it look like a 1073 01:02:15,599 --> 01:02:17,920 deck. I think our idea here was not so 1074 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,200 much to make it a deck, but make it a 1075 01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,839 extension of the house 1076 01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:27,359 that's open to the air, right? So it has 1077 01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:31,359 some volume and some mass to it that is 1078 01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:35,040 needed I think to ground that structure. 1079 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,559 And the mesh is you know like a very 1080 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:40,559 sort of image there in the upper right 1081 01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:43,760 hand corner where we use a variation of 1082 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,599 different uh openings in the mesh or 1083 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,559 orientation of the mesh to allow that 1084 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:53,280 air and light to go through but also to 1085 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,640 create a kind of a formal 1086 01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,960 aspect and proportion to it that uh is 1087 01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,839 you know uh goes outside I think of what 1088 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:08,319 maybe is typically seen the spiral stair 1089 01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,480 is actually a really efficient way to 1090 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,680 make a stair from a volume standpoint 1091 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,799 too is in terms of like its perceived 1092 01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:19,200 mass on a site first of all it's round 1093 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,480 you know I think if you square those 1094 01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,599 edges off it becomes a much more robust 1095 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,920 looking stair and two the idea of a 1096 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,839 round element too the way it kind of 1097 01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,039 light 1098 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:30,960 >> moves around it I think it would 1099 01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,359 actually have a really light 1100 01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:36,400 >> almost arboritum type feel to it as you 1101 01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,079 move the experience as you move from 1102 01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,319 that upper deck 1103 01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:42,319 uh down below into the garden. So I 1104 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:45,119 think that's the the reason for it. 1105 01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:46,480 Yeah. So 1106 01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,960 >> Okay. And so it's like a design element 1107 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,760 rather than just having the railing kind 1108 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,200 of going up as the staircase spirals up 1109 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,039 you or 1110 01:03:57,039 --> 01:03:59,280 >> you want it as that whole solid volume. 1111 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,119 >> I'm not understanding the question. 1112 01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:02,079 that uh 1113 01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,319 >> I I think what she's describing is in if 1114 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:07,680 you the metal mesh is completely 1115 01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:10,720 >> encasing the spiral stair from base to 1116 01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,839 top on all three sides you got there 1117 01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:17,200 panels that go down. Yep. 1118 01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:18,880 >> Having it follow the actual 1119 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:20,880 >> the elevation 1120 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:21,839 and and railings. 1121 01:04:21,839 --> 01:04:23,440 >> Correct. Yeah. You would see the 1122 01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,119 silhouette of the stair. Thank you. they 1123 01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:26,960 would see the silhouette of the 1124 01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,000 structure of the stair behind the mesh 1125 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,520 paneling as opposed to uh like an open 1126 01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,359 railing where maybe you would see 1127 01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:37,839 pickets or like you know some kind of 1128 01:04:37,839 --> 01:04:39,839 more um 1129 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,440 >> Okay. I'm just thinking about it in a 1130 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:43,839 like a bulk and mass perspective from 1131 01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:46,079 down the view from down the hill looking 1132 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:46,960 up. 1133 01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:47,440 >> Yeah. 1134 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,160 Uh well, I think we're also 1135 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,520 concerned about that. You know, 1136 01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,000 obviously I I just want I think it's the 1137 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,240 uh again the concept of making this a 1138 01:04:58,240 --> 01:04:59,839 structure that 1139 01:04:59,839 --> 01:05:01,760 >> takes it out of the deck language, 1140 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,680 right? But it's I don't think that that 1141 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,240 that's not going to be a 1142 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:07,920 >> I mean, even if they can see it, I hope 1143 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,280 they can see it. It's going to look 1144 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,480 great, you know? So, uh, you know, I I I 1145 01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,119 don't know how visible it is down there, 1146 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,280 but I I think it's going to be quite a 1147 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,000 lovely and kind of magical 1148 01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,240 piece of the architecture that you're 1149 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,799 going to be able to see the trees 1150 01:05:24,799 --> 01:05:27,200 through. And again, as you kind of move 1151 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,079 through that space, I feel like it 1152 01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:31,839 >> gives it some 1153 01:05:31,839 --> 01:05:32,640 >> the out 1154 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:34,799 >> substance as opposed to, you know, you 1155 01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:36,799 maybe see 1156 01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:39,280 >> anywhere, you know. So, but that's the 1157 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,119 idea. I don't think it's maybe presented 1158 01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:44,000 as such a massive element maybe as the 1159 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:48,079 drawings depict. Um but um but it is 1160 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,160 part of the idea. So 1161 01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,000 >> Okay. Thank you. 1162 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,319 >> Can I ask another question uh about the 1163 01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:56,799 parking pad? The geometry of the parking 1164 01:05:56,799 --> 01:05:59,760 pad specifically. It uh just the it's 1165 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,240 sort of a triangular shape. I wasn't 1166 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:04,559 sure where the the right hand side is 1167 01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:06,640 spled, but I was trying to think if 1168 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,079 you're coming from below the hill, 1169 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:13,119 you're coming up backing out of that angle doesn't really facilitate 1170 01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:14,799 easy pull in pull out. So, I wasn't sure 1171 01:06:14,799 --> 01:06:16,160 where that angle came from. 1172 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,160 >> Yeah. Well, I think that the other idea 1173 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,680 there is that what you would do is like 1174 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,760 if it wasn't maybe a a more traditional 1175 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,000 twocar parking pad is that that you 1176 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:25,839 would just make that a rectangle, right? 1177 01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:28,240 you know, so I think just cut cutting 1178 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,480 out the edge of that makes it just known 1179 01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,039 that it's like a kind of not permanent 1180 01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,520 parking space. It's a onecar parking 1181 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,760 space. You could pull out the usually 1182 01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,920 people come up from below. They pull in 1183 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:41,359 there and then when they leave there's 1184 01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:44,000 no reason to go back up the hill. So you 1185 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,920 kind of pull out in that direction of 1186 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,799 that angle onto Willow Hill and then 1187 01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:51,520 down Willow Hill. Um, so I think the 1188 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,359 idea here is really just to kind of keep 1189 01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:55,359 the space functional as a turnaround, 1190 01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:58,160 but not make some massive parking deck 1191 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,359 that kind of competes with the garage 1192 01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:02,640 itself. I think there's a lot of 1193 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:04,160 sensitivity 1194 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,359 to this side of the house for that very 1195 01:07:07,359 --> 01:07:09,119 reason for the neighbors. I think that 1196 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:12,240 they experience this valley that kind of 1197 01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,880 goes down. There's a walk path that goes 1198 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,359 down from Willow Hill to Madrron and you 1199 01:07:19,359 --> 01:07:21,680 know so you would be walking near this 1200 01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:25,680 structure. So again it needs to have 1201 01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,280 some 1202 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:30,400 lightness and I think beauty to it and 1203 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,839 uh take it out of maybe the typical 1204 01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:35,839 language of 1205 01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:38,240 >> deck. Do you have an elevation of that 1206 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,280 parking deck? 1207 01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:39,760 >> Yeah. 1208 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,160 >> What it looks like? Yeah, I think it's 1209 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,240 >> you find it. 1210 01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:49,190 >> There it is. Bottom right. 1211 01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:50,799 » I think too if you look at the site 1212 01:07:50,799 --> 01:07:52,240 plan, you can kind of see the shape of 1213 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,000 the road too. It kind of makes a little 1214 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,240 maybe more sense looking at that too. 1215 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,799 But that's the those are the elevations 1216 01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:01,680 of the Yep. 1217 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:02,880 >> Do you have any more questions on that 1218 01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:04,319 particular thing? No. I I was going to 1219 01:08:04,319 --> 01:08:06,240 ask you to talk a little bit about the 1220 01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,400 um trellis at the upper level. Yeah, 1221 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,319 >> you provided a number of different 1222 01:08:10,319 --> 01:08:13,280 images that what the trellis could feel 1223 01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,520 like. Uh, but they're they're kind of 1224 01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,359 pretty different. So, I was hoping you 1225 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,960 could zero in on what you visualize that 1226 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,359 trellis up above to be because you have 1227 01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,199 some that are solid with glass, you have 1228 01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:27,359 some with canopy, you have some with 1229 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,239 solid canopy as far as inspirational 1230 01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:31,600 photos. So, what do you think that's 1231 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,000 looking like? 1232 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:33,359 >> Yeah. And there's nothing, you know, I 1233 01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,920 don't think exactly like it, but it's 1234 01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:38,400 kind of an open structure. there's no 1235 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:42,400 hard surface to the top to it. Um that 1236 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,679 the idea there is that there is a much 1237 01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:50,640 like this image a very uh wavy something 1238 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:52,480 that moves in the breeze that looks 1239 01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:54,880 light that can provide shade for that 1240 01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,920 deck without having the 1241 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,799 uh mass I guess of a solid structure up 1242 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,279 there. Like those are all just images I 1243 01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:06,239 think of an open structure. Granted, 1244 01:09:06,239 --> 01:09:08,640 that is one that you know just has I 1245 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,120 think that the sun shade part of it is 1246 01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,960 permanent, right? They just have lattice 1247 01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,279 there, but we're not proposing lattice. 1248 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,120 I think the emphasis there is it's an 1249 01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,600 open structure that you see and then 1250 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,560 that there is this canopy 1251 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:26,560 either fabric or uh that reed grass that 1252 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,120 um can be retractable that acts as a 1253 01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,679 shade that you can manipulate to like on 1254 01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:35,600 a cooler day or warmer day. um as 1255 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:37,120 opposed to having something that's more 1256 01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,159 permanent up there. Um so, 1257 01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:40,799 >> okay. 1258 01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:41,279 >> Thank you. 1259 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:45,199 >> Yeah, that's the idea. 1260 01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:47,120 >> Thanks. I will I'll give you a little 1261 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,440 personal experience. If as soon as the 1262 01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,600 fire department has anything to do with 1263 01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,839 any structure attached to your house 1264 01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:56,480 that has any foliage on it, it will be 1265 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:58,800 taken away from you. 1266 01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,360 >> So, just just so you know, 1267 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:02,880 >> there's no foliage on this structure. 1268 01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:04,880 Like we're not we asked even more 1269 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:06,640 emphasis on why it needs to have its own 1270 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:07,760 beauty, right? You know, 1271 01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:11,199 >> yeah. Any natural woven anything 1272 01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,199 attached to your house, 1273 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:15,120 >> make it out of unnatural things. 1274 01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:16,800 >> Going through that right now. But 1275 01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:21,040 anyway, uh any more questions? 1276 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,040 >> No, I think that covers off mine. 1277 01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,120 >> Who wants to go first? 1278 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:29,040 >> Oh, sorry. Sorry. Forgot. Went out of 1279 01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,159 order there. I told you I would. Uh, are 1280 01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:35,040 there any comments from the audience or 1281 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,080 online? 1282 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:38,080 >> There's no one online. 1283 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,520 >> Any of you have anything to say over 1284 01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400 there? 1285 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:43,760 >> There's nobody out in the bushes. 1286 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,000 >> Want to vote for it? 1287 01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,000 Um, okay. We'll bring it back to the 1288 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,560 ADR. Uh, Mark, would you like to go 1289 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:51,040 first? 1290 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,480 >> Sure. Yeah. So, we've seen this one 1291 01:10:52,480 --> 01:10:54,960 before. Um, I think this is a a pretty 1292 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,760 substantial upgrade. I do appreciate I 1293 01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,120 want to make sure you hear it loud and 1294 01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:01,280 clear. the the pool was a bit of a 1295 01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,840 unnerving approval last time. I know we 1296 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,840 went through many rounds of its location 1297 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,960 and its the neighbors down below and 1298 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,480 earthquakes, whatnot. So, I think this 1299 01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:14,880 is a really nice um uh middle solve for 1300 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:17,120 that. And I think the terraces down at 1301 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,199 grade will actually be quite wonderful 1302 01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:21,920 spaces. So, I I really appreciate that. 1303 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,120 Uh I think the the home upgrades are are 1304 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,080 fine. Uh the little Juliet balcony, 1305 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,960 great. Um, I think where I start to get 1306 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,560 a little concerned. I'll talk I'll start 1307 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,280 at the top. The the trellis I I think I 1308 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,280 would just go with something that was 1309 01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,480 flat in lie of having the peak. Um, I 1310 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,960 don't think that I I see from a flat 1311 01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,040 elevation standpoint that that starts to 1312 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,840 mirror the gable on the right hand side 1313 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,000 of the rear elevation, but let's admit 1314 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,080 it, you will never see that except when 1315 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,760 you're on the street below and that's 1316 01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,199 pretty much impossible. So, I would I 1317 01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:58,560 would prefer to see just a a horizontal 1318 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,960 uh trellis out there that you could just 1319 01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:02,880 minimize the amount of volume that 1320 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,960 you've got on the hillside. So, that would be step one. Um I think along 1321 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,960 those same lines, I think the the the 1322 01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:13,520 spiral stair and the fully enclosed mesh 1323 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:18,640 should while I I appreciate the sort of 1324 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,120 delicate nature of it might be too much 1325 01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:22,719 mass when you look at this thing from 1326 01:12:22,719 --> 01:12:24,480 below. I think when you look at mesh at 1327 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:27,040 an angle, you start to collapse that 1328 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,920 mesh into a solid form just by the 1329 01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,159 nature of its weave and the the 1330 01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:33,600 perspective of it. So, it's going to 1331 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:38,880 appear relatively massive. I think that spiral stair is, which I don't 1332 01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,120 think is really the look that you might 1333 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,719 want to go for. So, I I don't have the 1334 01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:44,159 problem with the mesh, but I think I 1335 01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,159 might look at that in a little different 1336 01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:47,840 way that it's a sculptural element on 1337 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,600 the edge of your building where maybe 1338 01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:52,640 the mesh starts to follow the tread, the 1339 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,000 stringer up along with railings and just 1340 01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:57,920 allows it to be a lighter element on the 1341 01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,679 facade and on the hill. 1342 01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:01,840 >> So, that would be I think it's a it 1343 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,480 would improve the overall massing from 1344 01:13:04,480 --> 01:13:05,920 below, which is really the only place 1345 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,640 you see this thing from. 1346 01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:11,760 Uh, third, I think on the parking deck, 1347 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:12,880 the reason why I asked you about that 1348 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,440 angle, the way I I envision, I want it 1349 01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:17,120 to be as practical as possible, because 1350 01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:18,719 that's really why you want to have it up 1351 01:13:18,719 --> 01:13:21,280 there. I think you might want to make 1352 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,960 the 8 foot dimension a little bit longer 1353 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,560 uh at the top where the where the front 1354 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,239 of the car is. It's about eight and 1355 01:13:28,239 --> 01:13:30,320 change now. And I think about pulling 1356 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,920 into that and then pulling back out, 1357 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,440 the front of the car is going to want to 1358 01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,080 swing to the house, to the garage. And I 1359 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,239 think you need a little more leeway 1360 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,239 between the car and the existing garage 1361 01:13:42,239 --> 01:13:45,679 to make that turn so that you're not 1362 01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,199 hitting the front of your car into the 1363 01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:48,480 garage. I just think it'll be more 1364 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,960 effective if it's got a little more give 1365 01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,679 it a little more um 1366 01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:55,120 >> air, a little more width. 1367 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:55,440 >> Okay. 1368 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,120 >> Because I think it'll just be more 1369 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,880 useful. You know what I'm I don't know 1370 01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,159 if Alex wants to pull it back out, but 1371 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,159 as you pull back out and you're the rear 1372 01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:05,440 of the car goes up the hill, the front 1373 01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:08,400 swings to the to the garage facade, and 1374 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:09,360 I think you're just not going to have 1375 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,600 the room. It's going to be a pain in the 1376 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,199 ass to pull out, 1377 01:14:13,199 --> 01:14:16,239 >> right? So, so I I would just give that 1378 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:18,080 another two feet at the head of it. 1379 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,719 Maybe maybe that angle isn't so steep, 1380 01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:22,159 so your square footage is about the 1381 01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:23,600 same, but I would just give your left 1382 01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,040 hand side of that car a little more. 1383 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,120 >> Sure. I mean, I think they could I'm not 1384 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,679 sure what drove exactly the 1385 01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:31,760 >> dimension at the end, but you know, if 1386 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,360 that increases a couple of feet or 1387 01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:34,080 whatever, 1388 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,440 >> you're talking about like an 8 foot 1389 01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,600 standard, you know, 8 by 20 is the car 1390 01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,440 parking space, but given the road 1391 01:14:39,440 --> 01:14:41,040 geometry, I think you want to make this 1392 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:42,800 as useful as possible. 1393 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:43,280 >> Um, 1394 01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,679 >> I think that the uh everything up there 1395 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:49,520 is gravy, like, you know, so it's like 1396 01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,440 this is luxury. 1397 01:14:51,440 --> 01:14:52,640 >> It's like, but I hear what you're 1398 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:53,840 saying. I hear what you're saying. I do 1399 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,600 really want to say that from a from a 1400 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:56,719 lot of the projects we've seen around 1401 01:14:56,719 --> 01:14:59,040 the town, having this extra space to 1402 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,719 pull off, whether it's for, you know, 1403 01:15:00,719 --> 01:15:02,960 service personnel or whoever it might 1404 01:15:02,960 --> 01:15:04,719 be, visitors, this is pretty valuable. 1405 01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:06,400 So, I think I I could easily support 1406 01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:08,719 that being the variance in the front. 1407 01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:11,120 But that's that's a big uh plus in my 1408 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:11,679 mind. 1409 01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:13,199 >> I think those are my only comments, but 1410 01:15:13,199 --> 01:15:14,560 if I reserve the right to come back and 1411 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:16,080 say something. 1412 01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:19,199 >> Um, okay. Mark did an excellent job. Uh, 1413 01:15:19,199 --> 01:15:21,120 like kind of took all the comments I 1414 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:25,440 had. Um, I agree on this parking space 1415 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,000 because I was thinking turning into it, 1416 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,080 like making that left turn, your front 1417 01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,159 end could end up kind of close to that 1418 01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:35,360 angled wall. So, I also support, um, at 1419 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,280 the front of the car, making that 1420 01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,120 portion a little bit wider. Um, I, you 1421 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,080 know, and then I think the grading down 1422 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,159 to the hot tub is a wonderful design. 1423 01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:50,159 Um, working with the topography, I like 1424 01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:51,360 that. 1425 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:53,040 Um, 1426 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,000 I agree. I I think it'd be worth 1427 01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,440 revisiting the spiral staircase and just 1428 01:15:59,440 --> 01:16:01,520 exploring the option of lightening it up 1429 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,760 instead of making that massive volume 1430 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,480 all the way down to the ground. Like, c 1431 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,440 could it be reduced um in scale by just 1432 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:12,000 having it go up along the stairs like 1433 01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:14,400 railing height or whatever? 1434 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,159 Um, 1435 01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,199 and I think the the last thing is coming 1436 01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,600 back to the trellis that's on top of the 1437 01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,400 roof deck. Um, 1438 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,640 I don't know if there's a lot of 1439 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,040 precedent for trelluses on like a 1440 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,840 threetory roof deck, but it is pretty 1441 01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:33,280 tucked in there. So, I think just 1442 01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,840 thinking about keeping that as light as 1443 01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:38,400 possible. Um, 1444 01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:42,159 I agree. I don't I'm not fully 1445 01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:45,440 understanding the um angled roof for it. 1446 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:48,400 I think it could look 1447 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,320 It could make sense just with like a 1448 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,630 flat trellis. Um 1449 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,080 » I don't know. There's a cable there 1450 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,000 that's there now that sticks out on the 1451 01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,120 dining room. Yep. But 1452 01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:05,750 >> I could you pull up that elevation? 1453 01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:07,440 » Yeah. There's a big gable on the right 1454 01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:09,120 hand side there that kind of projects 1455 01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:12,560 out the same as the uh 1456 01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:14,080 >> as the trellis element. 1457 01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,360 >> I would consider just looking at a flat 1458 01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,520 design and lowering it to the 1459 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:24,239 >> like line the bottom of the roof line 1460 01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:27,679 like where the gutter is. Spring height. 1461 01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:28,480 >> Um 1462 01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:30,880 >> Alex, if you go to 1463 01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,080 a 1.7, I don't know if you have that, 1464 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,679 >> the side elevation, which would be the 1465 01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:40,159 >> east elevation, you can start to see 1466 01:17:40,159 --> 01:17:42,960 >> just as far as it would project out, 1467 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,880 right? Like so that's the that's the 1468 01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:46,560 peak that he's describing, but this 1469 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,320 comes another 1470 01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,040 >> 10 to 12 feet out out to that direction. 1471 01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:52,960 So it's really the trellus is from here 1472 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,560 all the way out to there 1473 01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,719 >> in relationship to the plan just to just 1474 01:17:56,719 --> 01:17:58,239 to kind of keep 1475 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:00,320 >> what what's drawn. 1476 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,199 >> So 1477 01:18:01,199 --> 01:18:03,600 >> can I is there possible to talk about 1478 01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:04,800 that a little bit more? 1479 01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,120 >> Sure. 1480 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:06,480 >> I don't what's the protocol? Do we need 1481 01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:07,840 to wait or 1482 01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:08,960 >> uh 1483 01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,199 >> Well, it's really up to the chairman. 1484 01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:12,560 >> What was the sheet again? 1485 01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,000 >> Uh 1.7 1486 01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,440 >> 1.7. Okay. Thank you. 1487 01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:16,640 >> You know what? Since you're the last 1488 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,040 applicant, we can relax the rules a 1489 01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,760 little bit. and I'm I'm the I'm the vice 1490 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,520 chair and I never know exactly how to 1491 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,880 run these meetings, but I would like to 1492 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:25,440 hear from you. 1493 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:27,520 >> Well, if it's assists the conversation, 1494 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,080 that's that's all. Um, so presently 1495 01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,000 there's a deck up there now, as I think 1496 01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,920 you all know. Um, it's 1497 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,159 difficult to use because it's either 1498 01:18:38,159 --> 01:18:40,239 blazing hot in the summer, it's totally 1499 01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:42,640 exposed, or in the winter because it's 1500 01:18:42,640 --> 01:18:44,880 on the north side, it's not very 1501 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:46,080 comfortable because it doesn't get any 1502 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:49,600 sun. So, the purpose of the overhead 1503 01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:52,159 element in this trellis is to provide 1504 01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:54,239 the opportunity for Scott and his family 1505 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,239 to use it throughout the year. So they 1506 01:18:56,239 --> 01:18:58,960 can on the cold days if it is sunny they 1507 01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,280 can go out there but in the summertime 1508 01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,239 when it's practically unusable they can 1509 01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:07,360 cover it with a we were looking at a 1510 01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,040 motorized fabric shade that they could 1511 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,120 retract so that that could come down on 1512 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:12,960 the sun you know for for a portion of it 1513 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,640 so that closer to the house they could 1514 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:16,800 eat outside or whatever in the um when 1515 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:20,560 the sun's out. I think it is so high up 1516 01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,280 there that from below you're never going 1517 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:25,840 to perceive what that roof shape is on 1518 01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,199 the trellis unless you're on the 1519 01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:30,080 trellis. And given the cottage nature of 1520 01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,800 the house, it's a 1914 former hunting 1521 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:37,360 cottage um it's it's a cabin and to put 1522 01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,880 a flat roof element out there um even if 1523 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,360 it is open and trellis-like feels in 1524 01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:45,520 congruous with the architecture. I think 1525 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,080 that the pitched form is really 1526 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,480 important for uh in uh reverence to the 1527 01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,560 existing architecture. So I think you're 1528 01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:55,760 really going to feel that when you're 1529 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,840 out on that deck, you're going to feel 1530 01:19:57,840 --> 01:20:00,480 the experience of that pitched form. 1531 01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:01,199 >> Thank you. 1532 01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,840 >> Yeah, 1533 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,520 >> I'm going to say to my colleagues on 1534 01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,440 relationship to that, so the spiral 1535 01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:09,840 stair, the metal mesh, I wouldn't look 1536 01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,080 at this as a as a hunting cottage at 1537 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,320 this point anymore. like as far as 1538 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,960 something that goes from a aesthetic 1539 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:18,880 standpoint, it's a metal trellis with 1540 01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,520 metal railings all over the place. So, I 1541 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:22,880 don't think it's an I don't think it's a 1542 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:25,120 bad element. I just think it should be 1543 01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,800 because you can see this from below, 1544 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,800 right? As the the home can be seen from 1545 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,000 down at the street below, 1546 01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:30,480 >> right? 1547 01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,400 >> That's that was my point. 1548 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,360 >> Yeah. 1549 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,760 >> So, and I agree if you look at the 1550 01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:37,440 elevation from the side, that's the 1551 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,280 existing. Can you scroll to the 1552 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:40,800 proposed? 1553 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:44,470 >> Nope. 1554 01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,560 3.1 is the proposed. It's quite a ways 1555 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:46,719 down. 1556 01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:47,760 >> 3.1. Okay. 1557 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:57,669 >> Sorry. 1558 01:20:57,679 --> 01:20:58,159 » Yeah. 1559 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:03,590 >> Mhm. Right. So, 1560 01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,000 um it so it goes all the way to the 1561 01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,760 front edge. So, you actually will see 1562 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:09,760 that from the street. Right. if it was 1563 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,239 stepped back from that railing, maybe 1564 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,960 you wouldn't see it as much, but um so 1565 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,159 that is an element that is up for 1566 01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:21,199 discussion. Um 1567 01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,440 and it looks like it continues all the 1568 01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,719 way back to the peak of the roof. Is 1569 01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:28,000 that what I'm seeing? 1570 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,199 >> It's supported on the roof. Yeah. Mhm. I 1571 01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:33,360 still stand with my comments of lowering 1572 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:38,000 it to the line of the gutter or just 1573 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,600 below uh and having it a flat element 1574 01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:44,000 and or stepping it back away from that 1575 01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:44,800 front edge. 1576 01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:46,400 >> So if we were to step it back from the 1577 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,199 front edge, the gabled form wouldn't be 1578 01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:51,920 as big of a concern. 1579 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,080 >> I think that's what she's saying. Yeah. 1580 01:21:54,080 --> 01:21:56,080 >> So that's that's her comments. So So 1581 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,840 each of us weigh in. I was going to 1582 01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,360 actually just put put out there it could 1583 01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,679 be a gable I mean sorry a hip form too 1584 01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:04,719 at that edge so that the horizontal line 1585 01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:07,600 is it's red from below would remain in 1586 01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,520 that there would be a hip shape much 1587 01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,480 like over the kitchen form that would 1588 01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:13,520 >> that would help 1589 01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:15,679 >> go back 1590 01:22:15,679 --> 01:22:18,000 I think to my colleagues once the 1591 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,159 material is put up on it right then it 1592 01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,080 becomes more solid then it becomes a 1593 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,800 mass versus if as we're looking at it 1594 01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:28,320 here it's transparent it wouldn't matter. To some degree, it doesn't 1595 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:29,280 matter very much because it's almost 1596 01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,199 like story poles. But if you're starting 1597 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:35,520 to add lighting and a canvas or some 1598 01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,360 bamboo piece or something, it's going to 1599 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:38,960 start to be pretty large and 1600 01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,960 substantial. 1601 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,280 >> That's that was my comment. It it has to 1602 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,480 be seen in that light versus a super 1603 01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:48,400 light and airy, 1604 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,760 >> you know, bunch of sticks. 1605 01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:53,040 >> True. I will say I Well, are you have 1606 01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,120 you finished your comments? Yeah. Sorry. 1607 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:57,199 Are are you do you have a 1608 01:22:57,199 --> 01:22:59,120 >> um that's yeah that's all I have to 1609 01:22:59,120 --> 01:22:59,920 share. 1610 01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:03,199 >> So I will say I actually lived right 1611 01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:06,400 above this house for 16 years at four 1612 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:09,600 Willow Hill Road and I know the heat on 1613 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,920 the deck. We did it one of those 1614 01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,159 automatic awnings that comes in and out 1615 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,679 with the wind and the sun and 1616 01:23:15,679 --> 01:23:18,080 everything. So I I know exactly what 1617 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:21,920 Scott is dealing with. And um I actually 1618 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:23,520 well just I'll give my comments about 1619 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,440 the whole project. I think the project's 1620 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:29,120 excellent. Uh my husband and I used to 1621 01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,360 walk and try to figure out what we would 1622 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,159 do to fix that house. Like what how 1623 01:23:34,159 --> 01:23:36,239 would we change that deck? And I always 1624 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:39,040 wanted him to buy it so I could fix it. 1625 01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,360 And you guys are doing exactly what I 1626 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,840 wanted to do. Clean up that deck, push 1627 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,159 it back, just clean the whole thing up 1628 01:23:46,159 --> 01:23:49,920 and make it uh just make it better in 1629 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:52,159 that way. So I I really appreciate that. 1630 01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:54,480 And the parking up there is a nightmare. 1631 01:23:54,480 --> 01:23:57,120 I would actually encourage you to do a 1632 01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,520 twocar deck and just shroud it from 1633 01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,159 below and get as much parking off the 1634 01:24:02,159 --> 01:24:04,560 street as you possibly could because 1635 01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,360 that canyon, nobody I mean, we walked up 1636 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,760 and down it, but nobody's hanging out in 1637 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,920 that canyon. And to that point, the only 1638 01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:17,199 time you're looking up at their house is 1639 01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:19,760 when you're driving up the road or when 1640 01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,840 the residents are walking up the road 1641 01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,080 when you you really have to crane your 1642 01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:26,320 neck to look up there and see what's 1643 01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,679 going on on their house. So, this this 1644 01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:31,840 concept of 1645 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:35,679 that trellis bothering anyone is I I 1646 01:24:35,679 --> 01:24:38,800 just can't see that. I do understand why 1647 01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,639 you're doing the the gable on the 1648 01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:42,960 trellis. I think it's a charming 1649 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,440 counterpoint to the other gable, but I 1650 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,080 do agree that we should pull that back. 1651 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,840 If you're going to do that shape, it 1652 01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:51,840 should be half of the deck. And if 1653 01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:53,360 you're going to do the whole deck, it 1654 01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:58,239 should just be at the spring point. That those would be my comments. And I I 1655 01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,679 love what you're doing um down below at 1656 01:25:01,679 --> 01:25:04,400 the at grade. Another wait, one more 1657 01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,800 reason to have two cars. If you're 1658 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,880 getting rid of that long driveway, 1659 01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,400 that's that's where your guests are 1660 01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,719 going to park. So, I would I would max 1661 01:25:12,719 --> 01:25:14,480 that out, whatever the town would let 1662 01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:19,520 you do. Um, and then the stairway, I the 1663 01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,159 spiral stair, I also agree that's too 1664 01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:25,040 big of a volume and I would like to see 1665 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,520 it just the railing just follow the 1666 01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:33,350 spiral. So, those are my comments. 1667 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:37,199 So if we bring it back, we're basically 1668 01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:39,520 30 approving. 1669 01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,080 We are two 1670 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:46,320 not approving of the um gabled trellis. 1671 01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:47,120 Three of us. 1672 01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,560 >> I could be convinced of the gabled 1673 01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,880 trellis if it goes back another 10 to 15 1674 01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,760 ft. 10 feet 1675 01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,080 >> like to line with the other structure. 1676 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:54,639 >> Sure. 1677 01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:56,719 >> You do the gabled trellis half of the 1678 01:25:56,719 --> 01:25:59,760 deck, push it back or if you want to 1679 01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:01,760 keep the trellis 1680 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:03,360 That first 1681 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,120 >> would you go back to the other? 1682 01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:06,800 >> Yeah. Matching the 1683 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,560 >> Yeah. Where the first vertical is. I 1684 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,639 think that would be then you could keep 1685 01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:11,280 the 1686 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,280 >> No. Where to the line of the existing 1687 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,400 building behind it? 1688 01:26:14,400 --> 01:26:14,639 >> Yes. 1689 01:26:14,639 --> 01:26:15,280 >> Yeah. Right there. 1690 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:16,719 >> Yes. That's what I'm referring. 1691 01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:18,000 >> I could support that change. 1692 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:19,199 >> I could support that. 1693 01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:19,760 >> Okay. 1694 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,840 >> Um could you support that? 1695 01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:22,639 >> Sure. 1696 01:26:22,639 --> 01:26:24,880 >> So, we're all in favor of keeping the 1697 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,199 gable trellis but cutting, you know, 1698 01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:29,840 pushing it back. I think all three of us 1699 01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:33,679 thought that you should not have that uh 1700 01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:37,040 enclosed mesh spiral staircase. As cool 1701 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:38,320 as it could be, I think 1702 01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:39,679 >> you guys are missing out. You're going 1703 01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:41,440 to want to walk down that thing like 1704 01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:43,360 what are you doing? It's still mesh. 1705 01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:45,840 It's still spiral of you. I wanted to 1706 01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:47,040 >> just not a big mess. 1707 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,719 >> We just We're just not digging it. 1708 01:26:50,719 --> 01:26:51,920 >> All right. You're not invited to the 1709 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:52,639 party then. 1710 01:26:52,639 --> 01:26:54,880 >> Okay. Well, I've been to many parties in 1711 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,520 that house. Um, I know Scott will invite 1712 01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,159 me. Uh, but then 1713 01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:03,520 >> and I would also go with you if on the 1714 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:05,760 parking pad. 1715 01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,560 >> If it was two spaces, I think I could I 1716 01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:10,000 could support that absolutely as well. 1717 01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:10,639 >> Same. 1718 01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:13,040 >> Yeah, it's a fire danger. It's that 1719 01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:17,679 there people I teenage drivers up there. 1720 01:27:17,679 --> 01:27:19,840 One of my kids almost drove off. I mean, 1721 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,960 it's we need to get cars off that road. 1722 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:24,880 So, uh, I would support that. I think 1723 01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,639 we're all in favor of the project. It's 1724 01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:28,239 just these little tweaks, right? 1725 01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:28,719 >> Agreed. 1726 01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:31,040 >> Is everybody Did you get the notes for 1727 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,679 that? Okay. Thank you guys. 1728 01:27:33,679 --> 01:27:34,400 >> Sure. 1729 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:38,960 >> Staff question. So for um process, 1730 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,280 >> I mean, sorry, a process question. Do we 1731 01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,600 need now to can we work out these 1732 01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:45,600 changes directly with staff and get your 1733 01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:47,920 approval or do we need to factor in 1734 01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:50,080 another design review hearing before we 1735 01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,480 can go to council? 1736 01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:52,880 >> Okay. 1737 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,800 >> No, you'll do it with them. Okay, great. 1738 01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,880 >> These are small enough where you'll and 1739 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,120 they sometimes will run it by us like is 1740 01:27:59,120 --> 01:27:59,840 this okay? 1741 01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,199 >> Okay, great. We're just trying to move 1742 01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:02,480 it along. So, great. 1743 01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:02,880 >> Yes. 1744 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,600 >> Beautiful. Thank you. 1745 01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,280 >> All right. Thank you. Thank you guys. 1746 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:08,880 Whoops. All right. We are moving right 1747 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,280 along. 1748 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:11,920 >> Uh 1749 01:28:11,920 --> 01:28:13,440 >> boom. Uh 1750 01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:15,679 >> five information, discussion, and new 1751 01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:18,639 agenda items. 1752 01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:19,440 >> Thank you all very much. 1753 01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:21,600 >> Thank you guys. Byebye. 1754 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:24,000 Um, so we just wanted to follow up on 1755 01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:25,679 the 1756 01:28:25,679 --> 01:28:28,320 setback exception or the pool exception, 1757 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:31,520 landscape features exception. If there 1758 01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,639 was anything else that we didn't capture 1759 01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:36,800 in that draft, 1760 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:40,560 um, let us know. I I think Alex sent the 1761 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,960 word file to the ADR. 1762 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,679 >> Yeah. Um, if it looks okay, then we'll 1763 01:28:45,679 --> 01:28:47,920 go ahead and work on it and send it to 1764 01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,040 the town attorney um and draft it so 1765 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:53,840 that it would be codified into the 1766 01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,760 municipal code. 1767 01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:56,239 >> Um, 1768 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,320 >> I had a question, but you you go first. 1769 01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:58,960 you 1770 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,600 >> um just I was looking at this kind of 1771 01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:04,159 last minute while right before I ran out 1772 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:06,239 to do my site visits so it's possible I 1773 01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:10,080 missed it but um I thought that we had 1774 01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:13,679 discussed there being like if a deck or 1775 01:29:13,679 --> 01:29:17,679 patio space is in up to that 10 foot 1776 01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:21,120 that new 10-ft setback um it was 1777 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,159 described as it couldn't exceed 18 in in 1778 01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:28,639 height. Is that in that code anywhere? 1779 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:31,280 >> Can you open that? We do have 1780 01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,239 >> Yeah. definition 1781 01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:34,480 >> the 1782 01:29:34,480 --> 01:29:37,280 not the definitions the um 1783 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,520 >> exception thing. Yeah. 1784 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,679 >> And what it applies to 1785 01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:42,639 >> this one. 1786 01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:43,360 >> Yeah. 1787 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,199 >> Let me share my screen. 1788 01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:46,080 >> Maybe. 1789 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:48,239 >> I know we have decks on there, but I 1790 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:49,840 don't know if we said the height. 1791 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,960 >> There was the 4 foot limitation. But 1792 01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,239 there's something about the deck. I 1793 01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:55,360 think there's something on the deck 1794 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:55,760 that's 1795 01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,280 >> pool decks not exceeding 18 in in 1796 01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,440 height. Yeah. So, it can't be higher 1797 01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:02,960 than 18 in. 1798 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:06,239 >> But, but any feature such as a fireplace 1799 01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:08,080 or anything like that could go up to 1800 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:08,639 four feet. 1801 01:30:08,639 --> 01:30:10,159 >> Four feet. Yeah, that's in there, too. 1802 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:10,960 >> Okay. 1803 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,920 >> I had a question on that. I I had a 1804 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,400 general question maybe for all of us. 1805 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,719 Um, in this situation where there's a 1806 01:30:18,719 --> 01:30:21,840 sloping lot and someone wants to build a 1807 01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,360 pool and the pool stays within that 10, 1808 01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,000 you see meets that 10-ft setback but now 1809 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:31,600 has a retaining wall, you know, a sixoot 1810 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,239 retaining wall, let's say, or 7 foot, 1811 01:30:34,239 --> 01:30:36,639 would that get administerial review or 1812 01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:38,800 would that fall outside of that because 1813 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:40,719 it's a higher retaining like how does 1814 01:30:40,719 --> 01:30:41,920 that work? 1815 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,320 >> Yes. So if it's a higher retaining wall, 1816 01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,880 if it's six feet and it needs a 1817 01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,560 variance, it would still they would 1818 01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:50,400 still need to get design review. 1819 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,719 >> Okay. But it would be 6 foot would be 1820 01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:54,560 the height that 1821 01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,199 >> 48 in over 48 inches would trigger 1822 01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:57,679 designer. 1823 01:30:57,679 --> 01:30:58,480 >> 48 in. 1824 01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,960 >> Yes. So 4T. 1825 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,159 Does that feel good with you guys? That 1826 01:31:02,159 --> 01:31:02,719 feels good, right? 1827 01:31:02,719 --> 01:31:05,040 >> Yeah. If it's over if you're starting to 1828 01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:08,080 have a huge retaining wall that's in 10 1829 01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:09,840 feet away from the set. That's why I was 1830 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,199 wondering like is someone going to be 1831 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:12,719 doing that and they're going to be like 1832 01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:15,199 this this site that we just looked at if 1833 01:31:15,199 --> 01:31:17,760 they had gone out and dropped a 6 to 8t 1834 01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,800 wall we would have been like oh okay I 1835 01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:22,480 guess we didn't really mean that 1836 01:31:22,480 --> 01:31:25,520 >> so this 48 in that sounds pretty good 1837 01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:26,480 okay 1838 01:31:26,480 --> 01:31:27,600 >> that's the max 1839 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:28,960 >> and then I think we 1840 01:31:28,960 --> 01:31:30,639 >> Hold on just a second if you if you 1841 01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:34,560 imagine a 48 inch retaining wall for a 1842 01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:36,639 pool and then a a railing on top 1843 01:31:36,639 --> 01:31:38,239 >> railing on top of that right it starts 1844 01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:41,040 to be 8 ft of stuff 1845 01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,800 >> I think. Which aren't you not allowed to 1846 01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,360 do that now? 1847 01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,920 >> What part of our 1848 01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,760 >> I don't know with our project we had 1849 01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:51,199 some 1850 01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:53,520 >> which part like the railing or the 1851 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,639 >> Yeah, it was like like if you have a 1852 01:31:56,639 --> 01:31:59,120 pool deck and you're holding it back 1853 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:01,199 with a 48 inch retaining wall, you're 1854 01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:03,280 going to have to have a 42 inch railing 1855 01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:04,480 on top of that, 1856 01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:06,560 >> right? And I think we couldn't do it as 1857 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,800 a concrete wall, we had to like open 1858 01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:13,760 it up and have it be like a open 1859 01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:16,000 structure underneath. 1860 01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:16,880 >> Oh, 1861 01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,120 >> because with the railing on top, then it 1862 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:20,560 would be too tall 1863 01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:21,520 >> like 1864 01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,480 >> so it was on peers in lie of 1865 01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:27,360 >> Yeah. So, and like at my project, it's 1866 01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:29,120 not fully 1867 01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,560 >> enclosed underneath it. 1868 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,159 >> Well, no, it it is. Sorry, I'm 1869 01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:35,280 describing it poorly. Um, the pool is 1870 01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,520 partially above ground because the site 1871 01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,080 slopes down and so we have a wall at the 1872 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:43,679 end of the decking that 1873 01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:46,560 it was described to me that with the 1874 01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,520 three foot wall there, we couldn't then 1875 01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,679 add the railing 1876 01:32:51,679 --> 01:32:54,400 on top. But maybe maybe that's not the 1877 01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:55,199 case. 1878 01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:56,560 >> I just I'm trying to trying to think 1879 01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,000 through the scenarios that we've seen 1880 01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,000 pools go in. It's nice in a flat space. 1881 01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,840 You wouldn't be able to I think it's 1882 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:04,239 worse if it's a 10 foot setback and then 1883 01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:05,120 someone's 1884 01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:05,520 >> right 1885 01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,000 >> going up to 80 something inches. 1886 01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:09,120 >> That's what worried me a little bit. 1887 01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,840 >> If you had say someone did a retaining 1888 01:33:11,840 --> 01:33:14,320 wall that's 4T and then they wanted to 1889 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,400 do a railing that was solid, 1890 01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:16,800 >> right? 1891 01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,639 >> Then we would count that as part of the 1892 01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:21,120 height, right? Like if they said, "Well, 1893 01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:24,000 we just want to make that wall add 1894 01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:25,280 another 1895 01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:26,239 >> 42 in." 1896 01:33:26,239 --> 01:33:27,840 >> Exactly. 1897 01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,400 But it could be an open railing, 1898 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,159 >> right? But if it was an open railing, I 1899 01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:33,600 don't think we would count it towards 1900 01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,280 the height of the retaining wall. 1901 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:36,639 >> We wouldn't. But how do we feel about 1902 01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:38,080 that 1903 01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,000 >> as would we? 1904 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:40,800 >> Yeah. I'm I'm 1905 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:42,000 >> I'm just trying to think through those. 1906 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:43,440 >> I'm trying to think of I mean, you 1907 01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:47,040 almost wonder if anything that is in the 1908 01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,280 hillside lot 1909 01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:50,719 doesn't get this. 1910 01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:52,480 >> That's where I was wondering like in a 1911 01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:55,360 hillside scenario, this doesn't this 10- 1912 01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,840 foot thing doesn't apply. But I don't 1913 01:33:57,840 --> 01:33:59,040 know. I haven't I haven't thought it 1914 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,520 through. I just am envisioning a lot of 1915 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,840 these projects that are that end up 1916 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,400 having pools that are partially 1917 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,880 >> on grade and then jut out 1918 01:34:08,880 --> 01:34:10,239 >> that they we end up having these 1919 01:34:10,239 --> 01:34:11,520 retaining wall conversations. 1920 01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:13,679 >> Well, look at this one that just came in 1921 01:34:13,679 --> 01:34:15,679 with their old pool design. They could 1922 01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:17,600 have pushed that right up to the 1923 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,199 >> That's why it's it's literally the 1924 01:34:19,199 --> 01:34:21,520 project that made me think like, boy, 1925 01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:22,000 >> what happened? 1926 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,840 >> That's a weird road though because 1927 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:27,520 >> Yeah, I know. Our lot was such a funky 1928 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,600 whoever set that road up. 1929 01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:30,159 >> Yeah, it's 1930 01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:32,239 >> our lot had an ease like everybody else 1931 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,239 had an easement over our lot which was 1932 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,040 like a Z. So they all traveled over our 1933 01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,960 lot. It was bizarre. 1934 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:43,120 >> But anyway, they even that that one, you 1935 01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:44,800 know, take 10 feet from their property 1936 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:46,960 line and they're doing a a retaining 1937 01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,280 wall for pool and then a railing on top 1938 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:50,800 of it and you're looking up at it. 1939 01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:51,840 >> Yeah. 1940 01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,440 >> Do you want us to look at that? Do you 1941 01:34:53,440 --> 01:34:54,960 want us to look at think about it 1942 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,400 whether or not this is a a problem. Now 1943 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,159 another question I had was if something 1944 01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:03,600 comes in and meets these requirements 1945 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:08,239 it's you know 10 feet four feet blah blah can you still say I think we 1946 01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:10,239 need to go through design review or you 1947 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:14,159 can't because like if there are like 1948 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:15,760 whoa that's not what I thought this 1949 01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:17,199 would turn out to be we should have 1950 01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:19,360 design review look at this is that up to 1951 01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,360 you guys but I think I read in this that 1952 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:22,800 you have the 1953 01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:25,120 >> the say you have the jurisdiction to say 1954 01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:26,239 you don't need to go through design 1955 01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:27,920 review or you do need to 1956 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,040 I think so. I think there's um language 1957 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:33,679 there that would give Alex and I an out 1958 01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:35,199 that they still need to go through 1959 01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:38,480 design review. I guess it just makes it 1960 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:41,679 harder cuz it's subjective. Like what would be those things? 1961 01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:42,480 >> I don't want that 1962 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:43,760 >> be real hard on them. 1963 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,520 >> I only wonder of the things we haven't 1964 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,199 thought about and something slides in 1965 01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:49,120 and it's like oh they did make that a 1966 01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,040 solid 4 foot and then another solid 1967 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,719 railing. Well, it's not really a 1968 01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:54,159 retaining wall up there but now it's an 1969 01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:55,360 8ft wall. Like 1970 01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,840 >> how about this? Does sorry guys how 1971 01:35:57,840 --> 01:35:59,360 about this doesn't apply 1972 01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:00,960 >> I think you still need to be on so that 1973 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:01,360 yeah 1974 01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:04,159 >> how about that this doesn't apply to 1975 01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:08,000 anything with a slope over x 1976 01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,800 >> so the hillside lot is 30% so if it's 1977 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:13,199 30% than your hillside lot this doesn't 1978 01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:13,760 apply 1979 01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:14,880 >> well it would trigger 1980 01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:16,639 >> what about 1981 01:36:16,639 --> 01:36:17,679 trigger designer view 1982 01:36:17,679 --> 01:36:19,679 >> yeah trigger varian I mean actually that 1983 01:36:19,679 --> 01:36:22,719 lot we saw today with the pool 1984 01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:24,880 >> the lot might be hillside lot right but 1985 01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:26,639 the pool was on a flat area, 1986 01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:27,120 >> right? 1987 01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:28,560 >> But did have a big retaining wall, but 1988 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,239 it exists. I don't know. I just brought 1989 01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:32,400 it up. It may not be a thing. This may 1990 01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:36,400 not as long as that 4 foot is the max. 1991 01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:37,280 >> Mhm. 1992 01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:38,719 >> Maybe it's okay. 1993 01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:40,639 >> Look at the pool that was came through 1994 01:36:40,639 --> 01:36:43,520 for the reissuing of the permit. You 1995 01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:44,880 know, the the one um 1996 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:45,840 >> Yes. On upper 1997 01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:46,719 >> 101. Yeah. 1998 01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:48,400 >> Okay. So, 1999 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,159 >> they could actually have that pool a lot 2000 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:52,880 closer to the property lineup. And that 2001 01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,840 could be I mean I you know 2002 01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,600 >> the the neighbors should be very happy 2003 01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:58,800 that they 2004 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,719 >> took what they got because now they 2005 01:37:00,719 --> 01:37:03,199 could come back and push that way out to 2006 01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:05,600 the road and then it would have you know 2007 01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,199 retaining walls and 2008 01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:07,600 >> Yeah. 2009 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,199 >> railings. So 2010 01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:10,560 >> and that's a hillside line. 2011 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:12,159 >> Same for the ADU too. 2012 01:37:12,159 --> 01:37:13,920 >> Yeah. We got to be careful about that. 2013 01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:15,360 >> Yeah. 2014 01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:17,119 >> So maybe just think about that. Another 2015 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:19,520 area I just thought we want to add um 2016 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:20,960 and I'll send you just a couple quick 2017 01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:24,000 notes, but trellis wasn't I mean it's 2018 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,560 not specifically called out anywhere and 2019 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,880 oftentimes we see these sort of poolside 2020 01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:32,159 trelluses and in 2021 01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:36,400 uh yeah this one. 2022 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,520 Oh, so the pool just I'll pause the 2023 01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:40,880 trails for a second in this one right 2024 01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,440 here that you have up. So pool equipment 2025 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,920 is still required to be in the building 2026 01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:47,600 setbacks. 2027 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:48,239 >> Yes, 2028 01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:50,080 >> that's what this reads to me. 2029 01:37:50,080 --> 01:37:53,280 >> That is what that reads, but um the town 2030 01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,440 already has a minor exception, 2031 01:37:55,440 --> 01:37:56,000 >> right? Yeah. 2032 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,760 >> So we probably want to align this to 2033 01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,719 that, right? Exactly. Okay. So So pool 2034 01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:03,360 equipment will be available to be within 2035 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:05,920 this landscape setback. 2036 01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:06,639 >> The 10 ft. 2037 01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:09,280 Yeah. Not with 2038 01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:11,520 >> it has to be out. Yeah. Yeah. up to the 2039 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:12,639 10 ft. Okay, 2040 01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:14,960 >> great. Um, 2041 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:16,159 and yeah, I just thought there were a 2042 01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:18,320 couple spots we could clarify trelluses 2043 01:38:18,320 --> 01:38:21,119 as an example of a structure that does 2044 01:38:21,119 --> 01:38:24,480 not meet the 2045 01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:27,679 um available availability for this 2046 01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:30,480 expedited review. Like I don't want to 2047 01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:34,159 have trelluses in this zone unless 2048 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:36,080 because we have this 4ft height thing, 2049 01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,800 right? So I think trelluses should be 2050 01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,560 bring them to design review or something 2051 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:40,880 like that 2052 01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,360 >> or stick to the old setbacks for 2053 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:43,840 trellis. 2054 01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:45,040 >> Yes, that's right. Stick to the old 2055 01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,280 setbacks or you have to come to design 2056 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:47,600 review. 2057 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:49,119 >> Yeah. 2058 01:38:49,119 --> 01:38:50,880 >> Okay. These trelluses are getting big. 2059 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:51,920 >> They're getting big and they're getting 2060 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:53,679 >> a couple of my projects that are lit up. 2061 01:38:53,679 --> 01:38:54,320 They've got 2062 01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,239 >> that's you know this that other thing is 2063 01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,560 going to be heat lamps and lit up and a 2064 01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:00,320 canopy and it's going to be like 2065 01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:01,840 >> they're really cool. I mean, you can buy 2066 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:04,639 them prefab and they're they they're all 2067 01:39:04,639 --> 01:39:06,719 electrified and you know, it's basically 2068 01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:07,360 a building. 2069 01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:08,800 >> And that's why I don't want I want to 2070 01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,560 explicitly like get those things out of 2071 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:13,040 that space cuz that that 2072 01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,560 >> they put speakers in them. 2073 01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,719 >> Yeah. They're really they can be like a 2074 01:39:16,719 --> 01:39:17,440 little building. 2075 01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:19,920 >> Yeah. I think that's all Yeah. So, 2076 01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,000 trelluses are not part of the landscape 2077 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,600 features definition. So, something like 2078 01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,199 that would come. 2079 01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:28,639 >> Yeah. I thought there there are some uh 2080 01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:33,109 let's see. Yeah. 18.12.1 2081 01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:35,119 94 I think. 2082 01:39:35,119 --> 01:39:38,159 >> Oh yeah, we listed. 2083 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:39,840 >> So that means it would be considered a 2084 01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,280 structure which 2085 01:39:41,280 --> 01:39:42,400 >> right uh 2086 01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:43,600 >> which they would have to meet the 2087 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:44,320 setbacks. 2088 01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:45,760 >> Yeah. 2089 01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,000 What I was afraid of is the idea 2090 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,560 of 2091 01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:54,960 uh something. Oh, thank you. 2092 01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:56,159 >> It's still small. 2093 01:39:56,159 --> 01:40:00,400 >> Yeah. Uh anyway, there there was 2094 01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:04,480 pretty pool spots. Yeah, I see. You mean 2095 01:40:04,480 --> 01:40:07,199 decks, patios, fireplaces, seat, walls? 2096 01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:09,040 Yeah. Okay. 2097 01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,920 Are there um 2098 01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:15,910 1847020? 2099 01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:19,040 So, go down a little further. 2100 01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:20,719 >> Is it the definition stuff? 2101 01:40:20,719 --> 01:40:23,119 >> I don't know. Keep going. It's 1847. 2102 01:40:23,119 --> 01:40:23,440 >> No. 2103 01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:25,920 >> Oh, that's a different uh Let me see. 2104 01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:27,600 this next page. I think 2105 01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:29,840 >> it's to 2106 01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:30,560 let me see. 2107 01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:32,560 >> Go to your next tab. 2108 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:33,440 >> Oh. 2109 01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:34,239 >> yeah. 2110 01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:35,760 >> I can send you these. It's just trellis 2111 01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,760 stuff. It's not a It's not anything we 2112 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:38,719 need to hold everybody up. 2113 01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:47,119 >> Um I I do have one more question. Um did I read it correctly that ADR is not 2114 01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:50,639 it won't trigger design review um for 2115 01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:54,159 pools based on the 50 cubic yards of 2116 01:40:54,159 --> 01:40:56,800 grade and fill. So that's getting taken 2117 01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:57,280 out. 2118 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,760 >> Yeah. Otherwise, so 50 cubic yards is 2119 01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,080 like three by three. 2120 01:41:02,080 --> 01:41:04,800 >> So every pool is more than, you know, if 2121 01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:06,800 you dig 3 feet 2122 01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,520 >> and then 3 ft down, that's 50 cubic 2123 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:10,560 yards. So 2124 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,400 >> Okay. Yeah, 2125 01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:15,440 >> there's no pool that's less than that. 2126 01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:18,080 >> Yeah, we have that here uh under 2127 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:21,520 designer view requirements. 2128 01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,159 Um, but you can either send us what you 2129 01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:26,800 have or we can come back. We can look at 2130 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:30,320 like what um, hillside pools have been 2131 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:33,600 approved and maybe see um, if folks are 2132 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:35,280 trying to do this thing where they're 2133 01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:37,760 pushing it to the edges of the property 2134 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,719 line versus uh, keeping it close to the 2135 01:41:40,719 --> 01:41:42,080 house. 2136 01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:43,280 >> Yeah. It's interesting because the 2137 01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:46,639 hillside lots have larger setbacks. 2138 01:41:46,639 --> 01:41:46,960 >> Yes. 2139 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,639 Larger set the bigger lots larger 2140 01:41:48,639 --> 01:41:50,159 setbacks. Yeah. It depends on the square 2141 01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:51,040 footage of the house. 2142 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:53,440 >> Oh, that's when it triggers. 2143 01:41:53,440 --> 01:41:55,040 >> Take I would take a look at it and what 2144 01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:57,040 I mean I I would love to get this thing 2145 01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,719 done so that we I know 2146 01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:00,719 >> have, 2147 01:42:00,719 --> 01:42:02,560 >> you know, so whatever helps get it done 2148 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,880 so you can bring it to council and get 2149 01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:06,560 it approved would be great. 2150 01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:07,199 >> I don't know what we 2151 01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:08,880 >> do. We bring it back one more time or 2152 01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:10,320 can you just run with 2153 01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:12,480 >> Depends on what? Yeah, I mean 2154 01:42:12,480 --> 01:42:13,600 >> can we is it are 2155 01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:14,960 >> I don't need to see it again. So you 2156 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,520 guys could also um we can draft it and 2157 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,119 you could look at it 2158 01:42:19,119 --> 01:42:20,960 >> just send us your email. 2159 01:42:20,960 --> 01:42:22,400 >> I think that would be good so that we 2160 01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:24,239 can give it to you and go to council. 2161 01:42:24,239 --> 01:42:25,600 Maybe we just specifically call out 2162 01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:27,040 Stephen and Mark who haven't been 2163 01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:27,760 haven't looked at it in a 2164 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:28,719 >> long right. 2165 01:42:28,719 --> 01:42:30,000 >> Yeah. 2166 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:31,840 >> Because other than these little nitpicky 2167 01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:33,679 things, I think I was totally fine with 2168 01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:38,000 it and think it's great. I think it's a benefit to the town. 2169 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:38,880 >> Okay. 2170 01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:39,520 >> Thank you. 2171 01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,600 >> Sounds good. So I move to adjourn the 2172 01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:44,400 meeting. 2173 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:45,760 >> Second it. 2174 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:48,400 >> Thanks guys.