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» Hello.

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I'd like to call to order the July 21st

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meeting of the Ross Advisory Design

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Review Group. Um, the first thing we

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always do here is we open up to public

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comment. If anyone wants to speak for up

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to three minutes on any topic that is

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not on the agenda, now is a time that

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you may do so.

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>> No.

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>> Shame no one

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>> wanted to do that this time. Um the

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first order of business is we will

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approve the minutes from the June 16th

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ADR meeting. Um I read those and they

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looked fine to me, but if anyone has any

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suggestions for changes or to second the

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approval.

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>> The approval.

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>> Yep. No changes. Great. Okay. Now, we'll

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start the planning and projects. Uh for

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those of you that haven't been here or

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don't recall, the way this works is for

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each project, the town gives a short

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introduction of the project and then the

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owners andor their design team gives a

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longer presentation during which the ADR

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members might or might not ask questions

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for clarifications.

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public if anybody wants to comment about

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any project. And then after that we

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bring it back to the ADR so we can make

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our recommendations to the town council.

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And the first project is 92 Glenwood

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Avenue.

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>> Yeah. Uh good evening ADR members. Uh

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tonight the applicant at 92 Glennwood

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Avenue is requesting a recommendation uh

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to the town council for design review

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and a demolition permit. Uh this is the

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existing uh house here.

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Uh and it's and the project is proposing

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to replace the existing siding uh I mean

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stuckle uh with western western red

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cedar shingles throughout the entire

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house.

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And that's pretty much it. And staff

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request that the ADR group provides a

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recommendation to the town council.

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Is there anything you'd like to say

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about your desire to put shingles on the

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outside of your house?

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>> If so, please step up to the microphone.

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you to turn on the microphone and um

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>> Actually, is it on? Actually, sorry. I

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can hear you fine, but I don't I'm not

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>> How about that now?

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>> Great. Thank you all for being here and

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for considering the project. We have a

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older home built in 1931 that had some

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deteriorating stucco and needed to be

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replaced to prevent water intrusion. And

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we also wanted to take the opportunity

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to improve the structures wildfire

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risk and reduce it, make it more fires

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safe to protect the community. And then

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Cam, I don't know if you want to add

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anything about the materials and the the

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replaced all the windows because um,

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previous owners had um, put in new

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windows to the existing structure and

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they with the original stucco, it just

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we had water damage basically all around

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the house. So, replace them all with

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nice casement um windows. And in doing

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so, we had to we saw how much water

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damage there was. So, we took off the

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stucco and we were about to then put up

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new white stucco. And in the process, we

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thought, well, now that it's off to be

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more in keeping with the town, we

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thought that doing a natural wood

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shingle might just help elevate it even

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more. And so, that kind of opened up

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found. We talked to the fire department

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and I kind of worked back and forth with

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Robera and Alex to find an appropriate

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material that was still natural, but

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they come on 8ft boards with fire

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backing. And it's one of the only ones

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approved on Cal Fire um for all WOOI

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zones in California um kind of on its

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own. So, it comes with like a plywood

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backing and then a fire retardant and it meets all the buoy requirements for

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that. I didn't know that product

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existed.

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give it a year and see how it kind of

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weathers and then decide if you would

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keep it unfinished or sealed or whatever

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or add or paint it, right?

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what would be most in keeping with the

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house, and I really love the natural

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look. Um, the company does offer to

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pre-stain, but I would I would my ideal

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is to have it age in patina really

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nicely and kind of have some browns and

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some grays and have the nice white trim.

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I believe that a light gray paint would

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look also look really nice on our house.

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um kind of giving the option not

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starting with paint, starting with

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natural and then see how it ages over a

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couple of years um and then take it from

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there if if it would look cleaner or

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nicer to be painted eventually.

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>> Um, does anybody here or online have any

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comments about this project?

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>> I have a question. So, Alex, a

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demolition permit is required because if

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you remove more than 25% of the exterior

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surface, it's it's that constitutes

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demolition. Is that right?

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going to be beautiful. I'm sorry you had

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to come before us to jingle your house,

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but I think it's great.

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think it fits well with the context of

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the houses on your street and the

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overall design aesthetic of Ross. So,

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nothing to add. Ditto. Same here. Good

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project. Right. Thank you. Good luck.

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» Okay. The next project is 98 Laurel

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Grove. Uh good evening, Indiana members.

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Uh tonight the applicant at 98 Laurel

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Grove is requesting a recommendation to

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the town council for design reviewing

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and a nonconformity permit. Uh this is

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the existing guest house here

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and this is a site plan um showing the

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guest house and the project is proposing

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to expand an existing non-conforming

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guest house by um by 396 ft increasing

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the total floor area from 385 to 781 ft.

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match the existing guest house and main

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residence. The project also includes a

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new patio and a trellis and some

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retaining walls. Uh next slides are the

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um the height is changing from 14t 11 in

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the south elevation existing and

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proposed.

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The west elevation existing and proposed

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and staff request at the ADR group

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discuss the merits of the project and

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provide a formal recommendation to the

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town council. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Would you like to come up and

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say anything about your project?

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Pearlstein Architects. Jared wasn't able

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to make it tonight, but sends his

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regards. Um, I'm here to represent the

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guest house edition with owner Kelly

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Dwinell's

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and essentially the existing footprint

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stays the same and we're expanding the

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guest house by adding a level underneath

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the existing finished floor. So, the

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elevation of the upper finished floor

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now stays the same. The roof um

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elevation stays the same and the new

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addition will occupy what was crawl

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space and dig out part of the hillside

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so that the new finished floor lower

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level will be kind of at the same level

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as the main house and will share a patio

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so that they kind of better connect and

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it's more usable. Um it meets all of the

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uh the zoning requirements and is really

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well screened from the surrounding

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properties. Um the nonconformity is the

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existing structure is about 8 in over

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the sideyard setback. Um thankfully that

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side has no neighbor next to it. It's

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really the building is on the other side

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of the next property and kind of the

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more prominent facade is on the east

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facade and that faces the existing house

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» Can I ask a quick question on the

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impervious surfaces? There is a patio in

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front under the trellis. Is that right?

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>> Okay. I'm just seeing a list of no

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change on impervious services on the

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page two of the application.

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>> What's kind of confusing as part of the

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larger project happening on the site um

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the drive court is is all becoming

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permeable pa and so with that it's

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offset this addition additional uh patio

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in front of the the guest house. Got it.

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Thank you. Any more questions?

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>> Does anyone in the audience want to

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comment on this project or anyone at

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>> There is no one online.

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They're not going into the sideyard

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setback. They're not putting pool

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equipment in the sideyard. They're not

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building a pool four feet from the

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sideyard. They're actually building

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something more or less in the middle of

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their own lot. Uh, and they're not

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increasing the footprint of anything.

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So, seems like a great change to me.

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» Yeah. I mean, I like the volume going

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down into the earth. The roof line isn't

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it's the building's not getting taller,

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so it's not increasing the massing and

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it

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possibly visible from across the hill,

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but none of your neighbors really are

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going to be impacted by any I mean

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besides construction by anything. So, um

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yeah, I would be supportive of it.

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>> Okay.

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>> I'm also supportive of it. I think it's

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a really nice design and the we always

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have a issue with exacerbating a

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nonconformity but because the

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nonconformity is only 8 in into the

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sideyard setback and this is actually

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going down in the same footprint I think

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that can be the findings why we would

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allow 8 in. Uh I just think it's nicely

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designed and I support it.

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>> Yeah, I can concur. I do have one quick

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question. the HVAC unit on the roof. Is

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that existing or is that new? There's a

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split mini split. Is that an

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>> existing one? Okay. Yeah. Just I just

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was curious. I saw in the drawings. I

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can fully support this as uh drawn. It's

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a nice project.

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>> I agree. I have nothing to add.

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» Now we will move on.

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to the conceptual

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advisory design review for 8 Morrison

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Road.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Uh let me allow Shalley

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to

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» Oh, okay. Okay.

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» Yeah. Um let me pull up the plants.

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>> Yeah.

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» Can you guys hear us? Okay.

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>> Minutes.

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>> Okay, perfect.

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It's like it's like I have senioritis.

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» Two projects in 13 minutes.

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>> It is.

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» Have you guys been by the residence? The

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house?

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>> Have you Have you guys been by the house

324
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this morning? Today?

325
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>> Oh, okay.

326
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>> Yesterday.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I did not go up the driveway though. in

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the driveway.

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>> Yeah, [laughter]

331
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» there's no way that could be constructed

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today.

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» It must be at least 14%.

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>> Just in case.

335
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>> Oh, nice. Thank you.

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>> Oh, perfect.

337
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» So, you're going to produce the project

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first?

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>> No.

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conceptual.

341
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>> Oh, it's on me. Oh, nice. Okay. Um, so

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can you go to the next slide, please?

343
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Um, so basically

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the scope of work is just enclosing that

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um cardboard.

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Um, sheet A1.1 please.

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Nice. Okay. So top left is the existing

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condition and the lower right is the

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proposed design. Um so we are proposing

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to enclose existing carport into the

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garage and then giving

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um a connection

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right here. That's going to be a new

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hallway connecting

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the garage to the house. So existing

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[clears throat]

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is

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um open carport with a covered um

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hallway but it's exterior to the house.

360
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So we would like to enclose that space

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as well. Um that's the gray area right

362
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here. Um yeah, that's pretty much the the scope of work. And

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um can we quickly go to the slide

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um elevation A2.1? Oh yeah, this one is

365
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good too. So as you can see the existing

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carport [clears throat] has like very

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low ceiling like 7 ft. Um for today

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modern standard we would like to raise

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it up higher. Um so that create um this

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box right here but still taking the

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shape and the footprint of the existing

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carport. So we're not changing any um

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lot coverage. Like if you look from the

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top view down um you won't see the

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change at all because the roof is

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already there and only change will be

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the height of the garage. Um yeah and um

378
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we we're going to need a variance for

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this project which seems because it's

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already over the allowable. So that's

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pretty much the scope of work for the

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project.

383
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>> Okay. Um I'm sure

384
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>> they're really just requesting a

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variance to the F and it's going to be

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118 square feet to enclose that walkway.

387
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That way they can connect the garage to

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the house.

389
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>> So the walkway that's proposed that

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would increase the F because it's it's

391
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pretty hard to get an a variance in

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general for F. Uh usually they don't do

393
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that. Um and in this case it's on the

394
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back side of the house so literally no

395
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one else will ever be able to see it

396
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from anywhere. But is there any

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precedent in the town for letting

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someone increase F so they can have a

399
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walkway between the garage and the

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house? Because it seems like if the town

401
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council voted yes for this, then there

402
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are a lot of unattached garages or

403
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semi-attached garages in the town,

404
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including mine, where you could then

405
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say, "Well, could shouldn't I be able to

406
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go over my F to build a a covered

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walkway or an enclosed walkway uh

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between the two structures?"

409
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>> Um, recently there have been a couple,

410
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two that I know of. one on Allen. That

411
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was because their entrance was on the

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second story. So, uh, the ADR in the

413
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town did support them to go over their F

414
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so that they can basically have a first

415
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floor entrance to their home.

416
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>> Um, do you remember the address?

417
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>> Yeah. 39.

418
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>> 39.

419
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>> Okay. And then the other one recently is

420
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the one on

421
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>> 103 Bolinus.

422
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>> Yes. 103 Bolinus. All that was was a

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closet. It was like 103 square ft or

424
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something. And they really, you know, um

425
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just needed some storage space. So, we

426
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did let them pull out their rear. What

427
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was it? Three or four feet. Seemed

428
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reasonable. Everything there in that

429
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area was already non-conforming.

430
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So, there was really no way for them to

431
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add without getting a variance.

432
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Um, let's see what other any others

433
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>> could be considered.

434
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» Well, could you show us could you blow

435
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up?

436
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>> Yeah. Up there.

437
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» We are looking for reasons to support

438
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this findings to help to help you do it

439
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so it won't set a precedent for future

440
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applicants.

441
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Okay.

442
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» So, right now they can't go from the

443
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carport to the house. They have to go

444
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out and then walk down. Basically, it's

445
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like a overhang of the roof. That's

446
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really it. So, if it's raining or

447
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something,

448
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>> they're getting wet.

449
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>> This increases F, but not lock coverage.

450
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>> Not lock coverage,

451
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>> which is kind of an interesting here

452
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because it's all under the eve, right?

453
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So that's a pretty unique scenario where

454
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you're really and the bulk and mass is

455
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not affected in any way, shape or form.

456
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>> No. Well, I think I I want to talk

457
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separately about the roof line of the

458
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garage.

459
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>> That's a different story. I agree with

460
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that. But

461
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>> but I agree that the that it's already

462
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covered with a roof line makes it really

463
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benign. I don't know how if that creates

464
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a findings route, but

465
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>> yeah, speaking just of the hallway, not the not the garage,

466
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>> right? hallway has

467
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some

468
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>> other means of egress out into that

469
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hallway. Right.

470
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>> See, there's two there's another door

471
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from that

472
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>> basically moving that entry door.

473
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>> Just moving the front door out.

474
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>> Yeah, moving the front door out.

475
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» Well, maybe uh the ADR members could

476
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comment on Well, you can comment on

477
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anything, but specifically break up the

478
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project into two. One is whether or not

479
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you think there might be findings for

480
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increasing the F and another one about

481
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the enclosing the carport and making it

482
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a garage. Um it was like because like my

483
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house also like we walk out a door from

484
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the garage covered walkway for 10 ft

485
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into our house and

486
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we could enclose that and I don't think

487
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it would affect anybody negatively and

488
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it would also actually I don't it might

489
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get us over the F at that point and it

490
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would not increase the footprint

491
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whatsoever because there's also there's

492
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already a covered walkway there. So

493
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there's probably other ones in the town

494
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like that too, I'm assuming.

495
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» Go ahead if you have some thoughts.

496
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>> No, not exactly about findings. I just

497
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think that it's like it's pretty benign

498
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in its position. It's benign

499
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volutrically. It doesn't hurt anybody.

500
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The the F is so stringent because it's

501
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Hillside in this case. just got a lot of

502
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things going for it um that are hard to

503
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meet literally with the code but that

504
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,200
are pretty fine under the kind of the

505
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general spirit of the code here. Um and

506
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so it's about I think for the hallway

507
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it's about trying to kind of help find

508
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the finding.

509
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,960
Um, but does but does the does the lot

510
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face a unique hardship that is not that

511
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is that others kind of don't face or

512
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that that if it literal interpretation

513
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would prohibit them from consider from

514
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normal enjoyment that other people

515
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enjoy?

516
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>> I don't know, dude.

517
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>> Not really.

518
00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,640
Yeah, I struggle with the

519
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>> I would like to support this, but I

520
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struggle with the findings given that it

521
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is

522
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>> you're almost by adding this you're

523
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almost double the hillside lot F

524
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>> then you're supposed to allow which is

525
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really restrictive as as Stephen said at

526
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600 some odd

527
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>> square feet very I I understand it's

528
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really restrictive

529
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,960
>> but you're almost doubling it right with

530
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this extra 180 square feet it's like you

531
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:04,559
know 1300 square foot home or lot

532
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coverage or Sorry. F over the allowable.

533
00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:10,799
So, it's hard to understand how we think

534
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:12,320
through that.

535
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,320
>> Maybe let's talk maybe let's move to

536
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,840
just some of the design of the carport

537
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itself.

538
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,159
>> Yeah, let's let's talk about that first

539
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and then we'll do the covered walkway.

540
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,120
>> Maybe uh Alex, if you could show one of

541
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the elevations.

542
00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,799
>> Uh yeah, thank you. You slide to the

543
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right of that of that. Uh or just back

544
00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:29,679
out.

545
00:23:29,679 --> 00:23:31,440
>> I struggle a little bit with the height.

546
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,880
I understand the height of the current

547
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,200
carport is restrictive and you would

548
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,440
like to raise that up. Makes total

549
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:38,400
sense.

550
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,480
>> Unfortunately, the home is such a is a

551
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:47,200
low slung home overall. Raising the the carport now now garage to the to the

552
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,000
height that it you're proposing becomes

553
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,559
the dominant physical feature of the

554
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,200
project which you know in in from a

555
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,120
design standpoint I would prefer not to

556
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,200
see. So, I would love to see maybe an

557
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,200
exploration of you you have some, you

558
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,360
know, I call it, you know, have a

559
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,159
totally flat roof home. Is there a way

560
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:09,520
to minimize that garage roof so it's not

561
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,279
so tall maybe with a different roof

562
00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:11,840
form?

563
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,840
>> I think following the slope of the main

564
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,120
house literally or if that's too short

565
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:18,720
at the left hand side of the diagram,

566
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:20,640
then doing an offset where it's exactly

567
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,400
parallel but offset by one foot

568
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,240
vertically would make it look like it

569
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,000
was designed in concert with rather than

570
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,840
as an addition. I think that's what I

571
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,360
was thinking the same thing like there's

572
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,679
a way to to infuse this a little bit

573
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:33,760
better into the into what the roof

574
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,400
structure is with the home without being

575
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,799
so tall. It does look even on the on the

576
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,400
facade looks a little extra tall. Um you

577
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,279
know that's possible with that idea like

578
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:46,960
um

579
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,679
like yeah we looked into those ideas

580
00:24:49,679 --> 00:24:52,320
like have it lower and have it like

581
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,400
matching the slope or work together with

582
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,279
the existing home. But this scheme came

583
00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,080
out just because um waterproofing is

584
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,480
easier for this scheme if you build it

585
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,520
up. So it gives you like the curve

586
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,520
height to work with the

587
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,799
>> Yeah. over the existing

588
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,200
>> over the existing. Yeah. Um so that's

589
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,279
just the construction method is it's

590
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:16,480
easier this way. But um yeah, we we we

591
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,679
can compromise and bring it down and

592
00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:21,600
make it work with existing house as

593
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,000
well.

594
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,240
>> Does this garage uh I'm sorry conform to

595
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,269
setbacks?

596
00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:29,679
I think so. Um, do you have the site

597
00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:30,880
plan?

598
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,640
>> Do we The setbacks are not notated on

599
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,320
the the site plan. Is that right?

600
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,750
>> They are onet.

601
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,080
» The setbacks are here.

602
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,400
>> Oh, they're noted 24T, 23 feet, and 70

603
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,000
foot1. I don't know where the sides and

604
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,279
rear are and stuff like this. It just

605
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:49,760
notes.

606
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,600
>> Yeah. And I don't know whether those are

607
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600
just current dimensions versus

608
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,360
>> the frontage is along the street which

609
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,640
should be 25 and then the rear should be

610
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,799
70 and it's 24 foot. It will not

611
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:01,120
conform.

612
00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:03,760
>> The rear should be 40.

613
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,520
>> 40. The sides should be 25.

614
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:06,720
>> Sides should be 25.

615
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,799
>> Is the rear

616
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:11,200
the larger setback the 70 or is the rear

617
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,120
the [clears throat] is the rear the 20?

618
00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:15,760
>> The rear would be the 244. I think the

619
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,720
hardship is a very odd shaped lot in the

620
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,520
hillside ordinance giving them 600 and

621
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,808
something square feet to work with

622
00:26:23,808 --> 00:26:24,159
[clears throat]

623
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,080
>> and the topography for the for the for

624
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,000
the hallway you're saying.

625
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,880
>> Yeah. And you know for the enclosing a

626
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,720
garage or not enclosing a garage like

627
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,559
doing any development there that there's

628
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:35,440
a hardship

629
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,080
>> is that the

630
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,080
>> that I think we could work with them.

631
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,039
>> I I agree with that. I I think that the

632
00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:42,640
though the form should be complimentary

633
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,880
of the roof and especially because it

634
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,640
doesn't conform to setbacks. Yes.

635
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,960
>> It shouldn't be something that is

636
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480
dominantly

637
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,320
>> the aesthetic side

638
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:53,840
>> because the garage is dominating the

639
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,120
house in the current scheme.

640
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:57,039
>> You want that balance to be reversed

641
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:57,600
ideally

642
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,039
>> being actually a little lower.

643
00:27:01,039 --> 00:27:02,640
>> Yeah. I don't know if you could get the

644
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,799
G like Stephen was suggesting the garage

645
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,559
being maybe a little bit taller than the

646
00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:09,039
home. I don't know if you could do what

647
00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:10,320
you're suggesting, which is have the

648
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,360
garage just a slight like a foot lower

649
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:15,360
than the home plate height and then rise

650
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:18,720
at the same slope. That would be a

651
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,640
question just from a geometry

652
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,039
perspective. I don't know if

653
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:25,600
>> it's like a foot lower than it has a

654
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,559
seven foot.

655
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,360
>> Yeah,

656
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,039
>> that's too low.

657
00:27:29,039 --> 00:27:32,720
>> It would be too low. If you match the

658
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,440
garage to the slope of the house, does

659
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,240
it even lower the street

660
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,360
>> like side at much?

661
00:27:41,360 --> 00:27:42,400
>> Um, yeah.

662
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,760
>> Like because the the street side is

663
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,679
>> the taller end, right? And so you have

664
00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:49,520
to allow the appropriate space for the

665
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,799
garage doors.

666
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,640
>> I'm just wondering does it even bring it

667
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,240
down?

668
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,559
>> But of the existing home is very

669
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,360
minimal. So you will see like I just

670
00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,880
have

671
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,120
pretty much like a flat roof

672
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:04,960
>> like the main house there.

673
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,399
>> I think what Laura is saying is on that

674
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:09,600
bottom right image which is the proposed

675
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,960
>> if you did a slope that was parallel to

676
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,159
the main roof it wouldn't lower the

677
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:18,159
right hand side of that diagram. So from

678
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:19,760
the stream appear the same.

679
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,640
>> Yeah, that's that's what I'm trying to

680
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,279
point out.

681
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:24,960
>> Right. But it would look cooler from

682
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,320
space.

683
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,880
>> Yeah. From when they pull their car into

684
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,960
the garage. But it wouldn't really like

685
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,679
have impact on I mean

686
00:28:33,679 --> 00:28:35,120
>> that's a that's a fair point.

687
00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,360
>> I was busy focusing on the driveway so I

688
00:28:37,360 --> 00:28:38,720
didn't really look at it from the

689
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:39,440
bottom. [laughter]

690
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,279
But um

691
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,240
>> yeah.

692
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,520
>> Uh but so um Joey, you're saying that

693
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,600
just because um the literal uh

694
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,679
enforcement of the hillside in this case

695
00:28:53,679 --> 00:28:55,840
is so darn stringent that that's kind of

696
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,159
the the hardship, right? because it's a

697
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,640
irregular shaped lot that's super small.

698
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,480
>> I would go for irregular shaped lot, but

699
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,039
I strongly say that if it's the hillside

700
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,640
lot is a hillside lot ordinance, right?

701
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,240
Just because it's strict and they only

702
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:09,679
have a tiny amount of square footage,

703
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:11,360
that doesn't that's not a hardship.

704
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,120
>> No, I agree with you. But regular lot

705
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,520
size and the fact that now we're back to

706
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,600
talking about the enclosing of the

707
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,080
>> the hallway. The fact that that's on the

708
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,919
back side with a big

709
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:29,120
>> makes it benign, but does it make it uh

710
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:29,919
what's the

711
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:30,799
>> Yeah, I think we all

712
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,640
>> But is it a smaller lot than most in

713
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,240
this if you look at the map? Is it one

714
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,320
of the smallest in the zone or

715
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,720
>> I mean a similar project is the

716
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,320
Wellington project that got a bunch of

717
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,000
extra F. So

718
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,360
>> go there. I don't go there. [laughter]

719
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:48,159
>> I mean,

720
00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:48,480
>> yes.

721
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,200
>> Yeah. I think there I feel like there

722
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,159
has to be some sort of mechanism for us

723
00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:57,200
to be able to decide things that that

724
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,440
increase the quality of life so

725
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,000
materially for such a small

726
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,159
architectural gesture that does not

727
00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,510
affect one person other than

728
00:30:06,510 --> 00:30:07,600
[clears throat] making this house so

729
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,039
much better. So what is the mechanism

730
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:17,279
>> for as for us as a group? I think your point of the I would say the lot

731
00:30:17,279 --> 00:30:19,760
shape and its restriction for growth,

732
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,520
but I would say this doesn't I would say

733
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,279
the the difference here is that it does

734
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,840
not increase lock coverage in any way.

735
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,320
>> It increases F, but not lock coverage.

736
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,640
So it it doesn't increase the bulk and

737
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,720
mass. It doesn't increase F, I'm sorry,

738
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,200
lock coverage, which I think is a unique

739
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:36,399
scenario.

740
00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,399
>> But Mark's point is right like your

741
00:30:38,399 --> 00:30:39,600
house would be the same thing.

742
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360
>> Yeah. Right. And but I guess we could

743
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,120
>> there be no reason like if the town ever

744
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,200
if it ever came up someone wanted to

745
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,559
enclose my walkway.

746
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:49,440
>> Yeah.

747
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,600
>> I'd say look at this house.

748
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,799
>> And I would I would I guess ask to maybe

749
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:56,399
to all of us

750
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:57,760
>> anything. Would that be terrible if they

751
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:58,080
did that?

752
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,000
>> It wouldn't it wouldn't hurt anybody but

753
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,919
just like this, you know, first thing I

754
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:03,679
said is it's

755
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:05,039
>> not going to No one's ever going to see

756
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:05,279
it.

757
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,480
>> Yeah.

758
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,600
>> Uh what about the egress angle? Does it

759
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,880
help at all? No.

760
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,399
>> It already has it. I mean, it doesn't

761
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:13,600
make it safer. Thought it made it

762
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,000
better.

763
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,279
>> It's the same egress. It's already

764
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,120
directly out of that other bedroom

765
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,720
>> and it's already covered egress. It's

766
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,159
just whether or not it has a wall next

767
00:31:20,159 --> 00:31:20,559
to it.

768
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:22,080
>> Yeah. Thought that was a good

769
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,111
>> If it says sprinklers, maybe it's safer.

770
00:31:25,111 --> 00:31:29,029
[laughter]

771
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,520
So, I don't I don't I I can support I

772
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,279
could I could say I could support this

773
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:37,039
the extra 181 square feet based on the

774
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,960
fact that it does not increase lock

775
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440
coverage. Um but I don't know what the

776
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,200
finding is for it.

777
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,480
>> But then every overhang, every covered

778
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,360
anything

779
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,840
>> you could people are going to start I

780
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,679
mean remember how you used to not be

781
00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:53,760
able to enclose front porches. Actually,

782
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:59,039
my rear porch is probably 20 by 15 and I

783
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:00,960
could enclose that and it wouldn't

784
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,960
increase the coverage.

785
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,960
>> Remember the one on Hilbert that came

786
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,720
back to us many times where they were

787
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,640
saying it wasn't a poor they were saying

788
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,320
it was covered.

789
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,320
>> There's been a lot of things like

790
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,000
>> it's still dilapidated.

791
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:14,399
>> Yeah.

792
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,399
[laughter] It's not going to be my

793
00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:18,960
issue, but you guys, if you start voting

794
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,080
for covering stuff that's got overhangs,

795
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,440
>> then anything that has an overhang in

796
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:24,240
the town

797
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,919
>> is essentially getting closed up when

798
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:26,720
someone wants.

799
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,600
>> Yeah, covered porch,

800
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:29,760
>> which might be fine.

801
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,840
>> No, it's a fair point. A covered porch

802
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,360
is a much larger problem. The

803
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,880
proportions of this, and we all, I

804
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,960
think, agree it does not impact anybody

805
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,960
or anything.

806
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,679
>> But the precedent it could set is fairly

807
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:42,880
>> well. I mean, there's us, you know,

808
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,279
making these arguments, which we all

809
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:46,880
think it's fine because no one's going

810
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,760
to see it, but we don't know that town

811
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,760
council would want to vote for it either

812
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,880
because then they'd be setting

813
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,360
themselves up for every month going

814
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,000
forward, someone with a covered area

815
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:04,549
wants to enclose it and increase their F

816
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,760
doesn't increase lot coverage.

817
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,360
>> So, we're on the we're [clears throat]

818
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,679
in a conceptual design review. We could

819
00:33:11,679 --> 00:33:14,880
we don't we need to give some guidance

820
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,279
but

821
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:16,559
>> yeah we're giving guidance not a

822
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:17,360
recommendation to council

823
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,240
>> recommendation to council I guess

824
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:25,440
>> my guidance would be on the F that

825
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,039
it's usually not granted like usually

826
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:33,919
they just don't grant F overages um

827
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:35,440
especially when you're already over but

828
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,279
even if you were under sorry even if you

829
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,559
were on the line they normally would not

830
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,440
do that unless there was some hardship

831
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,120
that was unique. So, I think that's

832
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,880
going to be pretty difficult to do. Of

833
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,279
course, you could always submit the

834
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,240
project like this and see what the ADR

835
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,679
says at that time and see what the town

836
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:55,440
council says at that time. And then if

837
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,440
people don't like it, you could do the

838
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,080
same project but without enclosing the

839
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080
walkway. And then you've got your

840
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,320
covered walkway as you would have your

841
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,159
worst case is a covered walkway

842
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:11,440
>> or create a JADU or create an ADU.

843
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,720
Because then you could do a covered

844
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:13,440
walkway.

845
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:13,839
>> Oh yeah.

846
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:16,879
>> I mean, you get that square footage, but

847
00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,960
>> but it has to be But like then you're

848
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,119
putting like a kitchen in there and like

849
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,520
you have to have like all the things you

850
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,440
>> downstairs change the project.

851
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,720
>> Yeah, change the project. So you could

852
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,560
get more square footage. You could swap,

853
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:29,919
>> but but the square footage would have to

854
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:32,720
be in the J. Oh, I see. Swap.

855
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:34,800
>> You could create an ADU downstairs that

856
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,720
is partly under the house, partly an

857
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,320
addition. You know, you could just and

858
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,040
then and uh

859
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,320
>> I guess you'd have to take up part of

860
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,839
the existing square footage as part of

861
00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:45,599
the ADU so that you could push

862
00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,040
>> swap. Yeah. So, we're essentially

863
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,480
recommending you spend about a million

864
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,000
dollars to get this 181 square.

865
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:52,639
>> That's right.

866
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:58,644
>> So, that how with a garage into a JU.

867
00:34:58,644 --> 00:34:59,520
[laughter]

868
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,160
>> Yeah. If if you did a JADU, you'd have

869
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,760
more square footage and and you could do

870
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,119
a workaround, but then you're spending

871
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,680
hundreds of thousands of dollars in

872
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,760
order to cover the walkway essentially,

873
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,839
>> right? That might be something you want

874
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:13,359
if you want a slightly bigger house, but

875
00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:14,240
it might not be.

876
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:16,079
>> You could essentially turn the garage

877
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,800
>> into an ADU,

878
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200
>> right? I mean there there are there are

879
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,800
ways to work in the ADU kind of world to

880
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,320
make this work but it is definitely not

881
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,800
as simple as what you're proposing.

882
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,720
>> Yeah

883
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,560
recommending that.

884
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,400
>> Yeah. So I I think that does anyone have

885
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800
different recommendations or comments on

886
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,079
the covered walkway other than it's a

887
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,640
risk and it's probably not going to be

888
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,040
you know my my point was you can try it

889
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,400
but it's probably not going to be

890
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,359
approved because certainly far less than

891
00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:54,640
50% of people asking for extra F get

892
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,359
approved in this town. It might be less

893
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:01,589
than 10%.

894
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,280
Yeah. I mean,

895
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,079
>> and egress doesn't really mean anything

896
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,320
because there's so many like everyone

897
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,839
wants extra square footage near a door,

898
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:12,960
>> right?

899
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,040
>> Yeah.

900
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,000
I I would think maybe the highly

901
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,440
irregular sized lot could be

902
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,960
>> But isn't that almost like how many

903
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,800
hillside lots are square?

904
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,920
>> I know. True. I think it's hard to get

905
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,359
extra lot.

906
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:33,440
>> It's hard to get extra square footage

907
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,880
if you don't really have a hardship.

908
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,640
>> That's sort of how it works here. And

909
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,200
then there's this huge bonus if you do

910
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,119
an ADU or a JD do

911
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:43,680
>> right

912
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,520
>> that where you can get a lot of square

913
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,240
footage and it doesn't have to conf it

914
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,240
does you know there's the setbacks are

915
00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:51,839
much more lenient

916
00:36:51,839 --> 00:36:53,280
>> but that's a whole another project.

917
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,320
That's a whole

918
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,400
>> that you can talk to Alex and the town

919
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,839
about, but yeah, it's a whole different

920
00:36:57,839 --> 00:36:59,760
>> I do support enclosing the garage and

921
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,520
making a a closed garage. And I I would

922
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,079
say let's give guidance. It's too high.

923
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,720
The way it's designed, it's too tall.

924
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:11,599
>> I I'm actually very curious about is

925
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,040
there any plan to try to make that

926
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,359
driveway more navigable? Is that

927
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:22,480
required of you, know, to make it actually where you

928
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,880
can drive up it more easily? Is would

929
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,599
the town require that for fire in

930
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:28,079
>> No.

931
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:29,920
>> getting a fire engine up there or

932
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,359
>> when they don't meet the require there's

933
00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,400
a requirement for that the driveway be a

934
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,320
certain slope for fire trucks and stuff,

935
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,160
but when it doesn't meet code in its

936
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,520
current condition, they don't make you

937
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,160
change it if it's impossible. If you're

938
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,160
doing a larger project, it might ask for

939
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000
a greater density of fire sprinklers or

940
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:47,599
other things like that to try to make it

941
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,599
safer for the occupants longer so that

942
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,000
the time that it takes the fire people

943
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,720
to go up the driveway on foot is

944
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,160
accounted for kind of.

945
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,480
>> I was just curious.

946
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,880
>> That's right. So, if unless it's a 50%

947
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,680
of the area, it's not going to require

948
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,160
fire.

949
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,800
>> Right. Right. Um, the hallway could do

950
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,200
that. It's possible that would be fire's

951
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,280
determination. I guess I just wanted to

952
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,920
add when Game and Shelley Ryan, who's

953
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,720
the property owner, came really the

954
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:26,000
concern was the driveway and the way

955
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,760
they're accessing the house now. And I

956
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,359
do believe it's not something that needs

957
00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:36,480
design review, but you're going to try

958
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,000
to

959
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,359
um reconfigure that driveway, right?

960
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:44,000
>> So maybe you can describe

961
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,520
>> that in the plan cuz So it's not just

962
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,240
>> Yeah, we don't have the actual design

963
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,720
like settled down already, but yeah, we

964
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:55,359
like to improve that condition

965
00:38:55,359 --> 00:38:59,200
>> by cutting higher up on the hill.

966
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:00,400
moving it.

967
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:00,640
>> Um,

968
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
>> making a gradient radius, I believe.

969
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:06,800
>> Yeah, swinging it kind of longer.

970
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,720
>> Yeah, I don't think we have a say in

971
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:10,079
that, but we'd support it.

972
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,079
>> Thanks. [laughter]

973
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:13,040
>> You'll like it more.

974
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,640
>> Yeah, we do have

975
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,320
>> We do have someone online that would

976
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,200
like to

977
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,160
>> Oh, speak.

978
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,720
>> Yes. Hold on. Well, we

979
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:24,640
>> What's conceptual? Uh, yeah, go for it.

980
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:25,359
>> Yeah.

981
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:27,280
It's the homeowner. Uh, David, can

982
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,880
you can you hear us?

983
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,960
>> Hi, I can can you hear me?

984
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,800
>> Yeah, we can hear you. [snorts]

985
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,640
>> All right. Well, thank you for all the

986
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,920
um suggestions and I'm glad everyone's

987
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,880
did survive that driveway. It is uh it

988
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,040
is challenging. Um we are in the process

989
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,320
of um working with some engineers to

990
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,680
kind of come up with a a driveway that

991
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,640
isn't so uh challenging where even the

992
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,079
you know even the engineer was saying

993
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,240
like the left side of the driveway to

994
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,079
the right side of the driveway is such a

995
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,960
slope he's never seen that before.

996
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,480
Um so it is work in progress. It's not

997
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,240
nothing is confirmed at this point, but

998
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,359
we do, you know, we do agree. We have a

999
00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:13,920
4-year-old daughter as well, so it's

1000
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,680
somewhat of a concern if she wants to go

1001
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,599
out and go down the driveway. It uh

1002
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,400
obviously in in the current state, it's

1003
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,349
uh not ideal.

1004
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,440
» And and this is Shelly. Thank you guys

1005
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,400
so much for all your feedback. Um, we

1006
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,040
know that it's definitely an interesting

1007
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,760
driveway and and property in general,

1008
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,560
but just really appreciate your time in

1009
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,160
the considerations and feedback. Um, so

1010
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,079
I guess we can work with game to rethink

1011
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:49,760
the enclosed garage and then um based

1012
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,480
off your feedback to decide if you want

1013
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,119
to move forward with also the enclosed

1014
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,640
hallway.

1015
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,400
Um,

1016
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,079
but it sounds like that could be

1017
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,079
potentially unlikely from this

1018
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:03,920
conversation. But just appreciate the

1019
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,599
feedback.

1020
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:09,839
There's anything else? All open ears.

1021
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:13,280
Thank you. So, why don't we do this? How

1022
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,440
about

1023
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,560
who here thinks the drive the garage re

1024
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,839
not? Let's not talk about the height

1025
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:24,000
right now. Just in general, it's okay if

1026
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,240
it's enclosed. Does everyone agree that

1027
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:26,560
>> yes?

1028
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,800
>> Okay. So, everyone agrees the garage the

1029
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,119
carport can be enclosed.

1030
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,200
>> Who believes the design for the enclosed

1031
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,480
carport should be slightly lower?

1032
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:39,119
>> Yeah.

1033
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:40,160
>> If possible.

1034
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,680
>> Okay. So, majority on that as well. And

1035
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,720
then does everyone believe that the

1036
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,880
extra F for the proposed sorry the

1037
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,760
enclosing the hallway which would get

1038
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,720
them further over the F would be

1039
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:00,079
problematic uh with the town council and

1040
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,280
president setting or do people support

1041
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,280
that even though we might all agree that

1042
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:06,640
it's not going to affect anybody else

1043
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,079
negatively but do most people think

1044
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:12,079
that's probably it's something they can

1045
00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:14,240
try but it's probably not likely to get

1046
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,800
approved.

1047
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:24,240
>> Yeah, I mean I I agree with Joey like I wish that for these small amounts in

1048
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:27,760
situations where it doesn't

1049
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,000
like do anything to the neighbors. It

1050
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,240
just doesn't impact the neighbors that

1051
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,680
you could make kind of small exceptions.

1052
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Um

1053
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,640
but it in my experience with my own

1054
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,880
project for um it [clears throat] was

1055
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,400
moved forward to the town council

1056
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,680
because we were trying to increase by

1057
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,640
like 62 square feet and town council

1058
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,400
wouldn't

1059
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,760
would not allow it. So, um I thought

1060
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
they had a hard line except for if

1061
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,839
you're increasing the garage space

1062
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:01,920
basically, but um

1063
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,680
so I would like there for there to be a

1064
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,359
way for this house to get a small

1065
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:12,240
increase, but I I don't know.

1066
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,599
>> It's tricky. So the majority thinks that

1067
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,839
it probably wouldn't be approved based

1068
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,599
on what's happened in the past with the

1069
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:22,240
town council and requests for extra f

1070
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:24,400
and this is just conceptual. So that's

1071
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,520
sort of our advice.

1072
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,240
>> Yeah.

1073
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:30,720
>> Thank you.

1074
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,160
Have a nice evening.

1075
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,960
>> Okay. Now uh information discussion and

1076
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,069
new agenda items.

1077
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:47,040
um information. So, we have on the Ross

1078
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:52,160
review and the town's front page a

1079
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,560
recruitment for the ADR since this is

1080
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,800
Mark Krishnet's last ADR meeting. I

1081
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,880
think we've gotten two applications so

1082
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,760
far [clears throat]

1083
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,319
and um the council decided that the

1084
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:06,880
process for that would be once we get

1085
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,599
the applications which are due on August

1086
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:12,800
17th, we put it out for about a month,

1087
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,040
the governance subcommittee which is uh

1088
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,119
Mayor Prom

1089
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:22,079
Robbins and council member Dowling,

1090
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:23,920
they're going to conduct interviews and

1091
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,160
then make a recommendation to the

1092
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,200
council of whoever for the applicants

1093
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,280
that we get.

1094
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,880
Um,

1095
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,079
at the last meeting, you all decided to

1096
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:40,000
move forward with the pool exception,

1097
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,640
landscape features exception. So, we're

1098
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:44,079
working on that, but it has to go

1099
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,800
through um legal review and all that.

1100
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,319
And we have to get it consistent with

1101
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:52,480
all the other portions of the zoning.

1102
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,760
And anything else to add, Alex? I think

1103
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,400
those are the updates.

1104
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,000
Okay. Well, and I would like to add that

1105
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,960
it's been a pleasure these last 10 plus

1106
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,760
years. I think I've been on the ADR with

1107
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,720
uh you and others and with your

1108
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,560
predecessors and working with you has

1109
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,520
been a pleasure. And so uh thank you.

1110
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,160
>> Thank you.

1111
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:15,680
for your chairmanship. We do

1112
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,720
need to for the next meeting or we have

1113
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,480
to pick a new chair.

1114
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,760
>> Yes, we do need to pick a new chair.

1115
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,480
Mark, when were you when did you start

1116
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:30,480
on ADR? Is it 2017?

1117
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,520
>> I'm not sure. Okay. But it's it's been a

1118
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,839
long time. It was when there were at one

1119
00:45:35,839 --> 00:45:37,920
point there were like 10 of us on ADR

1120
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,599
and we were we were rotating through um

1121
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,319
and it didn't really work that well

1122
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:46,400
because people would come and the second

1123
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,880
time they'd have four new people and

1124
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,920
they'd have different ideas. Uh, and

1125
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,319
then finally we got it. So there were

1126
00:45:54,319 --> 00:46:00,240
only five of us and then it worked much better and that's probably been a

1127
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,960
good eight years just like with a

1128
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,359
smaller group, right? At least six.

1129
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:08,160
>> It had to be pre It was preco.

1130
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,200
>> So it had to be 18 or 19 if not earlier.

1131
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:11,680
>> Yeah,

1132
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:13,359
>> we all did it through co.

1133
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:13,839
>> Yeah.

1134
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:15,359
those meeting all the Zoom

1135
00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:16,319
meetings

1136
00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:17,440
>> those were pretty

1137
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,839
>> well thank you Mark for your service to

1138
00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:21,040
the town

1139
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,680
>> it's been a pleasure

1140
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,160
>> nice to work with you

1141
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,880
>> and then I just if you don't mind have a

1142
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,640
little something to read as a thank you

1143
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,560
>> so [laughter]

1144
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,240
I just want to take a moment to

1145
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,880
recognize and thank Mark Krushnet for

1146
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,160
his outstanding service to the ADR since

1147
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,560
joining the advisory design review group

1148
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,040
in 2017. That's what we had in the

1149
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,079
records. Mark has generously volunteered

1150
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,520
his time, expertise, and thoughtful

1151
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,480
perspective to in the service of the

1152
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,280
town of Ross. Over the past nine years,

1153
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,440
he has participated in countless

1154
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,560
discussions and project reviews,

1155
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,280
um, helping applicants navigate complex

1156
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,319
questions while upholding the values

1157
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:10,960
that make Ross such a special community.

1158
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,359
The ADR was created to provide guidance

1159
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:16,000
on design, architecture, landscape

1160
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,960
design, site planning, building massing,

1161
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,079
privacy, neighborhood compatibility, and

1162
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,800
many other design related issues. And

1163
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,720
throughout his tenure, Mark has

1164
00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,280
exemplified the collaborative spirit of

1165
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,079
the ADR process. He has consistently

1166
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,800
offered constructive advice, encouraged

1167
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,880
meaningful dialogue, and helped

1168
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,599
applicants and neighbors find practical

1169
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:42,160
and creative solutions to challenging

1170
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,440
issues. As we know, volunteer service of

1171
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,720
this nature often takes place behind the

1172
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,359
scenes and requires a significant

1173
00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:53,920
commitment of time and energy. So for

1174
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,319
nearly a decade, Mark has devoted

1175
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,400
countless evenings to carefully

1176
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,119
reviewing plans, attending meetings, and

1177
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:02,960
sharing his knowledge to the benefit of

1178
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,119
this of the community. His

1179
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:06,640
professionalism,

1180
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,960
collegiality and dedication has

1181
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,119
strengthened both the ADR and the

1182
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,680
quality of development in Ross. And

1183
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,520
while we will certainly miss his

1184
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,000
expertise and thoughtful contributions,

1185
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,160
we are even more grateful for the

1186
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,119
lasting impact he has made through his

1187
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,839
years of service. So on behalf of all of

1188
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,920
us, thank you for your commitment, your

1189
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,920
wisdom, your nearly nine years plus of

1190
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,559
distinguished volunteer service. We wish

1191
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:36,960
you all the very best in the years ahead

1192
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,200
and hope you'll always know how much

1193
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,839
your contributions have been valued and

1194
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:44,319
appreciated. Please join me in thanking

1195
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,160
Mark for his service to the town of

1196
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,538
Ross.

1197
00:48:48,538 --> 00:48:52,870
[applause]

1198
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:57,520
» Thank you. And on that I will suggest we

1199
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,640
adjourn the meeting.

1200
00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,200
>> Journ.

1201
00:48:59,200 --> 00:48:59,839
>> Second.

1202
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:02,079
Welcome

1203
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,160
>> the longest standing chairman we've ever

1204
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,040
had.