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Are you in Mexico?

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>> Yeah. No, no, no. Mexico is next week.

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>> said this week is LA.

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>> Oh, that's right.

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>> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Actually, he is now. Yeah. He I at first

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he said he wasn't going to be, but Yeah.

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So, Mark Fritz is going to be here. The

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only one that's not going to be Sutro.

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» Sutro is not going to be I I put his

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down.

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» [laughter]

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>> You were that busy, huh?

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» Great.

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» Hello. Uh, I am Mark Kuchnet um of the

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Ross ADR. We're going to start the June

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16, 2026 meeting. Um, the first thing we

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always do, well, you can read our name

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tags. We don't need to introduce

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ourselves. Um, the first thing we always

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do is open it up for public comments. If

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anybody has anything they want to speak

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about that's not on the agenda tonight

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for up to three minutes, now is your

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time.

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Okay. And the second order of business

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is the approval of the minutes of the

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May 19th, 2026 ADR meeting. of two

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people who were here should approve or

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offer.

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>> I have an adjustment I'd like to make.

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There was um the project

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on the hillside with the spiral stair.

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It's the last one on the three Willow.

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Thank you. Um there was a comment in

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there that we recommended that the uh

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parking pad that they were creating on

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the upper side of the home be expanded

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to two cars. I guess I was looking at it

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as they could if they wanted to, but I

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didn't want that to hinge on approval

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that they expanded that to two cars. I

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don't know how you guys felt. I just

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thought it was an opportunity for them

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if they wanted to, but I didn't want

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that to to say that they had to do that.

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>> Yes, I agree.

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>> Okay. So,

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>> condition of approval.

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>> There you go. That that's the right way

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to put it. I think they should do it,

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but it's not a condition of approval in

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my mind.

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>> Exactly. I didn't

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>> Okay. So is that uh an okay adjustment

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to make on those ones? Okay, thank you.

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>> Other with that I can approve them as no

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as amended. How about that?

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>> Okay, great.

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>> Thank you. And now um just for those who

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might not have been here before, but the

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way this works is that for each project

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we have and there are two tonight. The

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town makes a short presentation about

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the project. Then the owner and/or their

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design team makes a longer presentation

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during which the ADR members may or may

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not ask questions and after that we open

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it up to the audience for comments and

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after that we bring it back to the ADR

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for our recommendation of the town

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council. Um the first project is 186

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Prospect Drive.

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>> Yes. Uh good evening ADR members. Uh

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tonight, the applicant at 186 Prospect

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Avenue is proposing a recommendation to

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the town council for design review, a

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non-conformity permit, and a variance.

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This is the uh existing site right here.

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And uh the applicant is proposing to

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construct new landscape improvements to

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the rear yard. Uh these include a pool

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and spa, a pool equipment, patio, a

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fireplace, an outdoor kitchen, retaining

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walls, and to repair existing decks. So

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this is this is one section of the uh

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the rear yard, sideyard, and then this

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is the uh the other side. Uh in addition

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the proposed the project includes

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winding the driveway with permovable

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pavers and uh this is the elevation of

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that fireplace and outdoor kitchen as

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well as the uh retaining wall. Uh

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variance is required to allow the

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proposed improvements within the

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required side and rear yard setbacks and

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to construct retaining walls in the

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fireplace over 6 feet in height. Staff

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request that the ADR group uh provide a

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formal recommendation to the town

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council. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Would Brad or the owner want

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to come up and make a presentation?

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>> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, please go up there to

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the microphone because they record these

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» Okay. Hi, I'm Michael Sherman, the owner

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with my wife of 186 Prospect and

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um let's see, discuss the merits of the

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project and uh happy to answer any

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questions that uh you have. We're

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excited. We love living here and my

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brother lived here has lived here for I

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don't know over 40 years. So, it was

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natural for us to move in here a few

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years ago.

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time if you want to actually present the

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project and talk about it at all. Or

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>> I mean, I defer to I defer to Brad on

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someone like Brad will make a

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presentation and if we have any

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questions, we can ask him.

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>> Sure. I mean, I clearly let

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>> we like getting to know you introduce

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yourself.

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>> Thank you very much.

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>> Hi everybody. Brad XY imprints landscape

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architecture. I just wanted Michael to

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introduce himself and just he's never

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been to this before and never been

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through this process and I thought it'd

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be good to have a face with the uh with

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the project. Um hopefully you've been

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out there and have seen the staking that

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we did. Um you know, we explored other

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options for the pool. We had it at one

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point parallel to the house and it

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really did not work. It got very close

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to that property line. So, when we

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designed this or when I designed this

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the pool, I was using that 10-ft setback

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that we've been talking about quite a

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lot over the last 6 months to to make

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sure all aspects of the pool are 10 ft

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from the property line. And um so that

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was a guiding factor with the pool. I

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did speak with the neighbors today at 19

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Wellington, the Reeds, and they're fully

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supportive about the project. They've

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been busy and out of town and haven't

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didn't write a letter and were not

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planning to attend tonight, but they're

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fully supportive of this project. The

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other the other um features of the

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project include an outdoor fireplace and

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a barbecue.

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and the barbecue is to provide

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additional um screening and privacy

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between the two neighbors. The Reeds at

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19 Wellington have a pool immediately on

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the other side of the fence and they

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have some screening that's going to be

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maintained and the oak trees are going

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to be maintained and we're going to add

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in um some additional English laurels.

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uh part of the goal was to use the

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fireplace and the barbecue as additional

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separation between the properties. Um,

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the other improvements in just include

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real minor adjustments to an upper deck

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that's currently split in half and not

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functional and adding a fire pit in the

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lawn space. Um, and that is in that

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space right there and a vegetable garden

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up in that area. [snorts] We do want to

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expand the driveway, make it permeable

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pavers. the current conditions very hard

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to back out and challenging to use. So,

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um the owners would like to just make

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that driveway a little bit larger and

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use permeable paving material.

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you might have and um hear any feedback.

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>> Sorry, how tall is the proposed

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>> The back is 12'6.

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>> And I looked at that and I think that we

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could lower that if you thought that was

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a good idea. It was uh it could easily

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go down to nine and it could even go

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down to eight from the grade of the

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patio. But part of it is like that fire

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place is viewed from a deck that's up

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about 3 feet at the house.

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So it's it's definitely has a little

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that deck right there is about 3 ft

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taller than that patio. And [snorts]

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that room looks out. So I didn't want to

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be too low because then you'd be looking

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at the top of the fireplace. And I

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thought the fireplace would provide some

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um privacy

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as well. And Alex, is that also need to

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>> So under the current regulations, not

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the discussed ones that might be in

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place in a month or two, but under the

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current ones, what would be allowed

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there? Is it just something up to 3 ft

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in of a retaining wall uh requires

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designer view um if it's 6 feet or over

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a variance.

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>> So, up to six feet.

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>> Up to six feet

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>> without a variance.

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>> And how far from the property line would

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it have to be to not require a variance?

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>> Uh for for walls, it's they have to meet

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the current setbacks, which is 40 ft.

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For retinium walls, it's not considered

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a structure. So, um, so it's if it's not

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considered a structure, then

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>> what about the fireplace?

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>> Fireplace is considered a structure, so

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it would have to be 40 ft. Correct.

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>> Okay. Um, okay. Those are my questions.

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>> I think we we dashed in the 40t which

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goes to the corner of the house

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>> right here.

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>> And it kind of Yeah. Right there. It

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goes through that deck. And basically

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the house was built at that 40 foot

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setback line.

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questions?

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>> Brad, you talked a little bit. You

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mentioned you have some English laurel

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plantings along the back side of uh

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between the in the 10- foot buffer.

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>> I see I think I see three. Is that

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>> Well, this is this is what we're allowed

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to do at the fire department.

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>> Like we would love to plant more and I

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might be able to politic through that

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because Ross Valley Fire does like

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English laurels.

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But in order to kind of get through this

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process, I have to be 100% in

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conformance. And so

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>> is is there a center on center spacing

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that they require?

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>> Well, they have, you know, you have to

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have certain spacing between each plant.

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>> And um you're supposed to have equal

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spacing between each plant as each plant

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is. And then they have some pretty

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strict codes. If you have certain amount

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of plants in a row, you have to have a

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big break in the plants.

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So, but they do like English laurel, but

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they at this stage they don't

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distinguish between if it's English

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laurel or a pitisporum or any other. I

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mean, every everything I use is

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non-pyrofitic for sure, but

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and then a follow-up question just on

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the location of the pool. You said you

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looked at different locations. was

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parallel to the northern neighbor mostly

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in that existing

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flat area. Uh an option where where you

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rotate the pool 90° and get it mostly

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out of the rear and sideyard setbacks.

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Is that was that

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>> Yeah, it pushed it right under that

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really huge oak tree and it pushed it

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into the shade and that oak tree is a a

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major mess and drops non-stop acorns and

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leaves and and then there's a catch

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basin in that space

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that um

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there's a large catch basin on the other

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side of that pool that we are trying not

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to disrupt.

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>> Okay. So, yeah, we looked at that and it

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was really tight. It was because the

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angles are such that it was hard to fit

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the pool with a patio space and and to

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fit it within that space and it slopes.

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So there's a cross slope in that area of

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about

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um 4T 3 to 4 feet.

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>> Okay. And my last question would be

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around the driveway expansion along the

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fence line. Is there I apologize I don't

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remember. Is there existing hedging that

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you're removing along that southern

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fence line that

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>> No, there's just a there's just a random

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group of plants.

327
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>> Okay.

328
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>> Yeah, it's not a hedge.

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And the neighbor's house is pretty far

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away over there. There's an oak tree on

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the other side of the on the other side

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of the driveway.

333
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>> Okay. Thank you.

334
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» Um the I have one question for you. the

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um non-conforming existing deck that's

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in the front yard setback. You said it's

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just getting modified slightly. Could

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you just kind of show us what's changing

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there?

340
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>> Well, basically right now that deck is

341
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there's a there's a step right in the

342
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middle of it.

343
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>> It's not equal. It's not even. So,

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we're basically

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going to get rid of that step so that

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the deck actually functions as one

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continuous space. And then we're going

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to there's a really large set of wood

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stairs that goes down to that patio

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that's really bulky and awkward to use.

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And we're going to put in a oversized um

352
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metal step uh oversized spiral is what

353
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we're showing.

354
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>> Okay. And so the basically that front

355
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portion of the the patio or porch face

356
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is going to come up seven inches or

357
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something. Is that

358
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>> I think it goes down.

359
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>> Oh, the back part of it is going to

360
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>> The back the back part is correct. It's

361
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at the door level, but then it steps up

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and then it steps back down to the front

363
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yard. I'm not really sure why they did

364
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that,

365
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>> but we're just want to get it all one

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level.

367
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>> Okay.

368
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All right. Thank you.

369
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>> Along that same lines, you have the pool

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equipment underneath that

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>> slab. It says it's a slab on it's on a

372
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concrete slab. Is there are you doing

373
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some sort of vault for the pool

374
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equipment or what it's called?

375
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>> No, there's a bunch of utility space

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under the existing deck now.

377
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>> Ah, got it.

378
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>> And we're just going to put it within

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that. There's a couple AC units and

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there's a storage there's a storage um

381
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shelf and there's a a hot tub over there

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and all that's going to go away.

383
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>> Got it. Thank you.

384
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[snorts]

385
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>> Joey, did you have any questions?

386
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>> Oh yeah,

387
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>> I have one question for um the planning

388
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department. is the um

389
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well actually it's for the next project

390
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so never mind.

391
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>> All right. Thanks Brad.

392
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>> Um is there anybody in the audience

393
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either here or at home that has any

394
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questions or comments?

395
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>> There's no one online.

396
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>> Okay. Um so when the three of you

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comment on this, I think it might be

398
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helpful for the town council for you to

399
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sort of divide up your recommendation.

400
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One is just the overall project and then

401
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specifically mentioning the variance for

402
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the pool and the variance for the

403
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fireplace

404
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because those are sort of the three

405
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separate things and it would be just

406
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helpful to so they could get your

407
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[clears throat] opinions on each.

408
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>> Oh, who would like to go first?

409
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>> Thank you.

410
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>> Okay. So, regarding the overall project,

411
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sorry, regarding the overall project, I

412
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think it's really successful and I I uh

413
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I had I've seen that house before the back landscape and it definitely

414
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needs a reorg reorganization.

415
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So, I think it that's very successful.

416
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uh regarding the pool variance, the pool

417
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location variance, I can support that

418
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specifically in the light of the new the

419
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new uh regulations we are discussing

420
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that it would fall in the 10-ft setback

421
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and it seems to be kind of the most

422
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obvious place for that pool on the the

423
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land. Um it can't be pushed any closer

424
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to the house because of that corner of

425
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the house. Uh, the last thing I would

426
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address would be the fireplace. And I

427
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cannot support that variance. It's just

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too tall and too close to the property

429
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line. And it wouldn't even conform even

430
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with the new It's too tall. Uh, so I

431
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think it would be great to find another

432
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place to put that if you want it that

433
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tall.

434
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uh or lower it quite a lot so that it's

435
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maybe just the same level as the the

436
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barbecue.

437
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» Um I can I'll go ahead. Uh yeah,

438
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generally in support of most of the

439
00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:29,280
changes in this project. Um but I agree

440
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with the town planning recommendation to

441
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lower the barbecue. Um, and even, you

442
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know, we're designing based on a change

443
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to the code that hasn't actually

444
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happened yet, but hopefully we'll be

445
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moving forward. But even with that new

446
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change of the 10-ft setback rule, um,

447
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technically for something up to 48 in.

448
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So,

449
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you you guys are I mean, this is above

450
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that already because it drops two and a

451
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half feet in the back. Um, but I I could

452
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see allowing it for the countertop

453
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height. Um, but I think the chimney

454
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height

455
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um

456
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would would not be something that should

457
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be approved based on the code.

458
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>> Thanks.

459
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>> Thank you.

460
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>> Yeah, I don't have any additional

461
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comments. I agree with both my

462
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colleagues here on those two comments.

463
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>> Okay. And I agree uh on all three

464
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things. overall project. Great. Uh the

465
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pool, yes, because of what Joey said.

466
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And the fireplace, no, because of what

467
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Joey said.

468
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>> Right. Um great. Uh thank you.

469
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>> Question.

470
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>> Sure.

471
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>> If

472
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we had like a fire wall feature that's

473
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the same elevation, same height as the

474
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barbecue, could that be a possibility?

475
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Yeah, I think it's just the height is

476
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the issue because even with the new

477
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recommendations, I think things are

478
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allowed to be up to 48 will be hopefully

479
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>> uh up to 48 in. Is that correct, Alex?

480
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>> Or is it 36?

481
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>> Guess it's 36, but we'll review that

482
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later.

483
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>> So, whatever those new

484
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uh

485
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>> Okay.

486
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>> Yeah. It's not that you can't have a

487
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fireplace there.

488
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>> [snorts]

489
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>> So, if I made it the height of the

490
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backsplash of the barbecue, which is

491
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about 40, 46, 47,

492
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I'm trying to figure out if I could do

493
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just like a firewall with a seat in

494
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front of it.

495
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,520
>> Yeah, it should be whatever the height

496
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is of the because they're not even

497
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passed yet. So, the town council might

498
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actually in the end of the day say, "You

499
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need to come back a month later once

500
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we've approved this." But it should be

501
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in line with whatever that height is for

502
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the proposal.

503
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,760
>> Yeah. I started working on this about

504
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six months ago when all this talk was

505
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happening and immediately changed all

506
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the design to meet the 10-ft setback and

507
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I'm still not 100% clear about the what

508
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is allowed within the 10 feet and not

509
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allowed within the 10 ft.

510
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>> It hasn't been.

511
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>> Yeah.

512
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Sorry. It hasn't been passed yet, but it

513
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is under deep discussion and hopefully

514
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should be

515
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>> should be moving forward to the town

516
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council.

517
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>> Okay.

518
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:28,720
>> So, I think we'd all be comfortable with

519
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>> it being whatever height ends up being

520
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passed. So, if the town council passes

521
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something that says it can be 36 or 40

522
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or 48, whatever they end up passing,

523
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then we're all fine with the fireplace

524
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in that location at that height.

525
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,600
>> Okay. So for for the ADR, just as a

526
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clarification, this project would

527
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probably go to the July council before

528
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the passing of the pool exception

529
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ordinance. Um, [clears throat] for

530
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ordinances, it takes a first reading, a

531
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second reading, and then it's not

532
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effective um for 30 days.

533
00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:05,760
>> Right. And and that's what I was saying.

534
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,120
They might need to tell you to wait

535
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until they might just grant the variance

536
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or they might say you need to wait until

537
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the thing has actually passed and then

538
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your plan would be in accordance with

539
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>> Okay. So, can we go to town council if

540
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,520
we make those changes? Yeah.

541
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>> Yes. And in terms of the variance, just

542
00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,640
to clarify,

543
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um what would what

544
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:36,000
reason why the fireplace would require a

545
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480
variance is because the structure is

546
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more than six feet.

547
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,159
So in this case, if he did do it, the

548
00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:47,039
height of the barbecue or that would

549
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:48,960
just require design review.

550
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,919
>> That doesn't

551
00:21:49,919 --> 00:21:51,280
>> Yeah. And we're all fine with it as long

552
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:52,799
as it's not a

553
00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:54,080
>> a variance. Variance.

554
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,159
>> Okay. Got it. Thank you.

555
00:21:56,159 --> 00:21:56,640
>> Six feet.

556
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,240
>> So then six feet.

557
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,840
>> Okay.

558
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:00,880
>> But with

559
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,440
>> from grade with a two foot retaining

560
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,559
wall,

561
00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:05,200
>> what you're saying?

562
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,039
>> Oh yeah. So then it ends up being four

563
00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:08,559
because of because it's already elevated

564
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:09,360
by two feet. Yeah.

565
00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:10,240
>> Yeah. I got it. Yeah.

566
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,559
>> Yeah.

567
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:11,200
>> Yep.

568
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,480
>> So it's four from the patio, but it has

569
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,240
>> So I guess 48 inches from the patio.

570
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:16,880
>> Yeah. Got it.

571
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:17,280
>> Yeah.

572
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:17,600
>> Okay.

573
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,280
>> So make that clear recommendation for

574
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,720
this one. 48 inches from the patio side.

575
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,280
>> Yes. Yes.

576
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,320
>> Okay. I got it. Okay. Okay. Thanks,

577
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:26,720
Brad.

578
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,440
>> Thank you.

579
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,159
>> Okay. And the next item is 18, Sir

580
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:41,750
Francis Drake.

581
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,600
» Okay. [clears throat]

582
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,200
Good evening, ADR members. Uh tonight

583
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,520
the applicant at 18 Sir Frances Drake

584
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,919
Boulevard is requesting a recommendation

585
00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:51,919
to the town council for design review, a

586
00:22:51,919 --> 00:22:54,320
demolition permit, an ADU exception

587
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,799
permit, a non-conformity permit, and a

588
00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,640
variance.

589
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:05,190
This is the existing site here.

590
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,679
Okay. Uh the project is proposing

591
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:10,240
renovations to the existing multi-unit

592
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,559
residence which includes two units, one

593
00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:17,520
on the main floor and the second on the second unit on the second floor. The

594
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,080
project proposing is an interior and

595
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,640
exterior remodel to include replacing of

596
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,760
the existing sighting to horizontal red

597
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,720
cedar sighting. They also proposed to

598
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,600
convert the existing 600 ft attached

599
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:33,120
garage

600
00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:35,600
uh to an ADU and transfer that square

601
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,520
footage to the existing lower level

602
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,840
storage area to ma to maintain that

603
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,480
existing second unit.

604
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,640
Additional site improvements include

605
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,400
reconfiguration and reduction of the

606
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:47,840
existing swimming pool as you can see

607
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,400
here. Uh also um a pool equipment and

608
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,120
construction of a new patio which is

609
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,240
located right here.

610
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,600
And these are the elevations of the the

611
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:06,149
proposed house

612
00:24:06,159 --> 00:24:07,840
elevation,

613
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,919
north elevation,

614
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:12,559
rear elevation

615
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:14,640
and uh variance is required to allow the

616
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,480
pool equipment encroach further into the

617
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,080
front yard setback and to construct a

618
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,080
patio within the within the sideyard

619
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,400
setback. uh non-conformity permit is

620
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,000
required to construct the to reconstruct

621
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:26,880
the pool which is currently

622
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,039
non-conforming with respect to the

623
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:30,559
setback

624
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,559
and staff requests that the ID group

625
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:36,880
discussed the merits of the project and um provide a formal recommendation

626
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,240
to the town council. Thank you.

627
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,960
>> I'm sorry the second there was the pool

628
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,919
equipment and what was the other

629
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:44,400
variance?

630
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,279
>> Uh patio.

631
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:49,510
>> Patio. Yeah.

632
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,159
And would either of those fit our new

633
00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:58,000
proposed definitions? It looks

634
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:58,320
>> No.

635
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,039
So even even under the more

636
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,279
accommodative suggestions, they would

637
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:04,720
still require variances.

638
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,279
>> Correct.

639
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:08,950
>> Okay.

640
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,279
Would the owner andor their design team

641
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:20,390
like to come up and present?

642
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,400
Oh, let me uh provide the plans real

643
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:45,430
quick.

644
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:52,470
It's a little slow. Okay.

645
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,840
» Where do you want me to go? Which page

646
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,640
do you want me to?

647
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,320
>> Um,

648
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,400
let's go down to a site plan. Yeah,

649
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,960
let's go down a little bit more. Uh,

650
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:06,549
keep going.

651
00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,760
» Yep. Maybe we can minimize it a little

652
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,470
just to see both.

653
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,520
» No worries.

654
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,440
Um, I'll introduce myself while we're

655
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,188
dialing that in a little bit.

656
00:26:21,188 --> 00:26:21,760
[clears throat]

657
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,080
I'm Jay Sherlock. This is Richard Mack.

658
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,320
We're architects uh representing the

659
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:27,919
owners.

660
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,799
And um, want to thank you guys for

661
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:32,159
coming tonight, of course, and

662
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:33,840
dedicating your time to this. And

663
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,840
definitely want to uh thank Alex and

664
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:39,200
Roberta. They uh work with us pretty

665
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,493
much every turn of the way.

666
00:26:41,493 --> 00:26:42,799
[clears throat] Some of these properties

667
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:44,400
can be a little bit difficult. What this

668
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,080
one they can be a little bit difficult

669
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,679
and this one has proven to be a bit

670
00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:51,520
challenging. Um maybe just a a quick

671
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,279
little introduction and then Richard can

672
00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,720
talk about some of the variances or

673
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,120
other characteristics of the property.

674
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,039
But uh essentially we're just trying to

675
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,400
clean up the property. if you guys

676
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,880
didn't see it before. Um, it's pretty

677
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,679
beat up. Um, it's in a really dark

678
00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:07,760
corner. I would say it's kind of I feel

679
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,159
like it's almost tucked in with a wave

680
00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:12,400
of green kind of crashing on it. So,

681
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,919
it's a a dark kind of little uh danky

682
00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:18,799
spot. Um, so we're just trying to clean

683
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,039
it up for the homeowners. Uh, make it

684
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,720
something that could look really nice in

685
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,799
the neighborhood. And it's keeping its

686
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,159
same shape. Um, we've taken like a

687
00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:29,600
mixture of the materials and kind of

688
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,600
just brought it to a couple clean uh

689
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,520
pieces instead of just having a bunch of

690
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,400
stuff randomly all over the building.

691
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,000
Um,

692
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,880
let's see here. And and I think the main

693
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480
part that we're doing is we're just

694
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,400
always, you know, as the job of the

695
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,039
architect, you know, uh, we're the

696
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:49,200
middle men here and we're just trying to

697
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,799
work it out between everybody. And that

698
00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:52,159
that's why we appreciate working with

699
00:27:52,159 --> 00:27:54,320
Alex and Roberta. Um it's it's been a

700
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,679
little tough as you know

701
00:27:57,679 --> 00:27:59,440
there's a kind of makeshift unit at the

702
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,279
top of this and towards the end of the

703
00:28:01,279 --> 00:28:03,440
project you know just doing whatever we

704
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,200
could to to help out um the town uh and

705
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,320
hopefully the clients a bit but um let's

706
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,799
see here. Essentially, we're just, you

707
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,880
know, again, removing some miscellaneous

708
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,480
walls that look like additions on

709
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,880
additions uh that, you know, probably

710
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,960
weren't permitted at all and a a

711
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,200
makeshift kitchen up at the top and, you

712
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,640
know, uh creating a real unit um instead

713
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,399
of the the rigged unit that was up

714
00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:30,880
there. We've added an ADU down at the

715
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,520
bottom, you know, to help everybody, you

716
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,240
know, we'll just leave it there. Uh

717
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,720
reducing the pool. I think we're trying

718
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,480
to add a little bit of green space in

719
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:47,360
there. and um uh you know tucking the pool equipment away a bit, but uh in

720
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,120
general just you know trying to clean up

721
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,880
the property in the neighborhood and

722
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,880
then I'll let Richard maybe talk a

723
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,279
little bit about a couple parts.

724
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:59,120
>> Uh yeah. Hi. Um

725
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,320
you know, maybe I'll start with the

726
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,960
variance uh for the pool equipment. Um

727
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,559
just because the 25 foot setbacks

728
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,480
would force the pool equipment into the

729
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,799
center of the property. uh just makes it

730
00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:13,679
a little bit kind of breaks up a

731
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:16,960
significant portion of the usable space.

732
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Um and we're also trying to get the

733
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:20,960
whatever noise comes from the pool

734
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,760
equipment to uh to the towards the

735
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,720
street and further away from the homes.

736
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,120
Um

737
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,159
uh decreasing the size of the pool and

738
00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:35,760
kind of pushing it um to where the steps

739
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,840
were uh towards the front of the

740
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,960
property is also again about trying to

741
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,080
maximize the usable ground space um for

742
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,919
the kids for you know just for daily

743
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,720
enjoyment um and also not to waste space

744
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,799
at the front of that at the front corner

745
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,720
of the property.

746
00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,159
um moving the driveway and um and maybe

747
00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:01,919
uh as far as a variance goes for the

748
00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,240
patio, you know, we're really just doing

749
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,240
we there was a deck there above a

750
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,279
carport. Um so we're we're taking that

751
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:13,279
bulk away. Um and uh and just putting

752
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:17,840
down permeable pavers and uh or uh maybe

753
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,399
actually the pavers themselves. Uh I

754
00:30:20,399 --> 00:30:21,840
can't remember if we're doing permeable

755
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,120
or not, but we're doing gaps in between.

756
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,559
>> Um so again, just trying to clean up the

757
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,200
house, trying to decrease and and cut

758
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,080
some of the excess mass um and make it

759
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,320
more usable. There will be two units on

760
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,440
that ground floor. Um it allows for

761
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,520
gathering space um you know, usable

762
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,480
potential barbecue space or or or just

763
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,880
um you know, gathering space. Uh and

764
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,679
then you know we did lose two garage

765
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:54,960
spaces. So we we uh expanded the

766
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,799
driveway just a touch on the right hand

767
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:59,200
side just trying to again use the space

768
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:03,919
wisely. Um the driveway coming in um and

769
00:31:03,919 --> 00:31:06,000
providing three parking spaces all on

770
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000
one side. So again we can maximize the

771
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,559
usable ground space um for the families.

772
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,559
Um

773
00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:18,310
then

774
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,799
maybe maybe that's about that's about

775
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:26,880
it. Uh maybe going to the siding and the house itself. We are excavating and

776
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,320
lowering the house about uh 16 in or 18

777
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,279
in to get those the ADU and the second

778
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,600
unit on the ground floor. Uh but that

779
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,960
we're not raising the height of the

780
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,919
building. Um it was kind of a mix of

781
00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:41,600
shingles, dark wood [clears throat]

782
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,039
shingles and si and horizontal siding.

783
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,279
Um and then on the ground floor. Yeah,

784
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,559
maybe Alex if you could go to a 3.0.

785
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,200
Um we'll start by looking at the

786
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,159
elevation.

787
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,559
Um

788
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:01,760
yeah, so that's and so the existing that

789
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,559
back left bottom wall was all concrete

790
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:07,039
anyway. And we we're kind of of the

791
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:10,000
architectural and structural belief that

792
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,320
everything kind of needs a grounding, a

793
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:16,320
solid base. And so when we um you know

794
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,000
think about the base of this building,

795
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,799
it's a big building. We want it to feel

796
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,720
secure. We want it to feel structurally

797
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,600
sound. And so we saw that opportunity to

798
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,720
continue the concrete look uh band

799
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,200
across the bottom and and give this

800
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,519
thing stability uh and then lighten up

801
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:38,000
as we as we go up into the sky. Um so

802
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,120
we're using stucco to do that uh rather

803
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,200
than uh and keeping the color of the

804
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,279
stucco light um in a pearl color. So

805
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,640
again, just trying to uh connect connect

806
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,080
it to the earth um and the the physics

807
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,159
that that come with it. So then we um

808
00:32:58,159 --> 00:32:59,120
you know, we kind of had to choose

809
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,679
between the shingles and the horizontal

810
00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:04,080
siding that was there. We chose the

811
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360
horizontal siding. Um lower maintenance,

812
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,279
better fireproofing,

813
00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,799
uh again the color, lower maintenance.

814
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,080
um feels feels warmer and actually

815
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,720
expands the gives you a feeling of

816
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,559
expanding the outdoor space. Um and

817
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,720
again just kind of trying to bring life

818
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,120
to this this home. It's uh it was

819
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,240
feeling dilapidated and and dark and

820
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,919
wet. And so we're we're just trying to

821
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:38,559
bring some some life to it. And maybe

822
00:33:38,559 --> 00:33:41,600
that's about it for now. Happy to take

823
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,990
any questions or comments.

824
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,200
» Does anyone have questions?

825
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,279
>> Yes, [clears throat] I do. Uh, it was

826
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,440
hard to tell what was there before

827
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,600
because when I went today, I mean, it's

828
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,559
clearly sort of already been a lot of

829
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,279
demos been done, but

830
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:02,880
>> as far as the landscaping.

831
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:03,840
>> Yes.

832
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,039
>> Uh, was there a patio where the pool is

833
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:10,399
before? We there was a previous permit

834
00:34:10,399 --> 00:34:13,359
where they they removed the patio um

835
00:34:13,359 --> 00:34:18,320
that was connected to a stair. Um and

836
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,240
we have pictures. Yeah.

837
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:22,320
>> So what I'm I'm trying to figure out

838
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,000
you're asking for a variance for the

839
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,960
patio.

840
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,440
>> No figure out if a patio was there.

841
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,200
>> We actually didn't file a variance for

842
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,000
the patio. Um we just filed a variance

843
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:38,069
for the pool equipment. Alex, is that

844
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:40,079
» parking spot?

845
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:44,720
>> It was a carport with a deck on top.

846
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:58,950
>> Yes. This was all concrete.

847
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,720
» Got it.

848
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:08,390
So again, just cleaning it up.

849
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,720
» So instead of concrete, we'll just have

850
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:16,310
the pavers and turf.

851
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,640
» Got it.

852
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
>> Along those lines, what are we talking

853
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,520
about? And this is to the planning. What

854
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,520
are we talking about necessity for

855
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640
covered parking here on this site?

856
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,599
Can you repeat that?

857
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:30,800
>> A covered parking.

858
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:31,920
>> Yeah.

859
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,119
>> Requirements here.

860
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,760
>> Uh for this one, it's a one covered

861
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,520
parking, but since they're converting

862
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,839
the ADU, they don't have to meet.

863
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:42,640
>> So, no covered parking at all for the

864
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,320
entire project.

865
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,280
>> Correct.

866
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,200
>> Yeah. Now, maybe I could um This all

867
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,200
kind of came about late not having a

868
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,079
parking space in the garage uh with the county pushing for the second

869
00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:01,119
unit. Um so, we've worked with Alex and

870
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:03,520
Robera and the client to to keep the

871
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,520
second unit on the ground floor by

872
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,400
converting the garage to an ADU. Um so,

873
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,240
we did lose that covered parking. the

874
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,720
client would like covered parking, but

875
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:15,440
there's no way to do that because we

876
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,480
we'd have to build additional space. So,

877
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,960
if there's ever a future um lightweight

878
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,359
carport uh that would be approved, we

879
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:27,359
would the client would would explore

880
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:28,560
that.

881
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,079
>> If it's not required, that's I was just

882
00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,520
looking for what are the typically we

883
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,560
see some level of requirement for cover

884
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,870
party.

885
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,750
Laura, Joey, do you have any questions?

886
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,760
» Well, just that same future patio space

887
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,320
um to the north of the building that we

888
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,440
were just talking about. So, that was

889
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,200
paved to get to that illegal garage

890
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,240
space, right?

891
00:36:58,240 --> 00:36:59,440
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was like it was a

892
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,400
covered carport kind of illegal roof

893
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:03,599
deck

894
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:04,960
>> and uh

895
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,160
>> and so took away the asphalt or they

896
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,359
want to take away the asphalt and the carport.

897
00:37:11,359 --> 00:37:13,359
>> Okay. So, the covered carport's gone and

898
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:14,640
it's

899
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,880
>> there's a retaining wall like further

900
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,160
back basically.

901
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:18,880
>> Yes. Yeah.

902
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,240
>> Yeah. It's been there the whole time.

903
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:21,680
>> The retaining wall has been there the

904
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,800
whole time and then we're just

905
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,359
>> Okay.

906
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:26,320
>> stepping the patio a few feet away from

907
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,400
that retaining wall. Okay. So, all of

908
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,119
these like elevated surfaces that

909
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,520
usually are not really encouraged or

910
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,560
existing, right? Like that balconies and

911
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,880
that terrace yard space. Okay.

912
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,790
>> Yes.

913
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:49,270
» Yeah. If any space has been taken at all

914
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:57,030
here

915
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,190
is

916
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,640
might see it better in the middle

917
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,440
picture. Yeah. Mark, do you have any

918
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,400
additional questions?

919
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,079
>> I don't think so. No.

920
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,720
>> Okay. Uh, thank you. Okay. Thank you.

921
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,160
Um, I'd like to open it up to the

922
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:15,520
audience. Would anyone in the audience

923
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,950
like to make a comment?

924
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,640
» There's no one online.

925
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,560
>> Right. We have we have an actual

926
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,800
in-person comment.

927
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040
>> Hi. Hi, everybody. Um, my name is

928
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,119
Beverly Domet

929
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:35,040
and I am the owner. That's my husband of

930
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,599
uh 20 what was 20 Sir Francis Drake. to

931
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,680
the north side lion neighbor for this

932
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,119
project and it has definitely expanded

933
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:46,079
since we first talked to the owner. Um,

934
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:47,599
so I guess I'm understanding now there's

935
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:51,680
three units here,

936
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,400
>> right? Okay. And there's three parking

937
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,800
spots. And I just also want to mention

938
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,280
that, you know, there is not a lot of

939
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,359
parking on Sir Francis Drake. When

940
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:04,160
people park in front of his property, in

941
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,760
front of mine, it makes it impossible to

942
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,359
get in and out of our driveway. We

943
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:10,079
cannot see teen drivers. Recipe for

944
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,960
disaster. So, I just would like to lodge

945
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,119
my concern that there's not enough

946
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,680
parking on the property for three units

947
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,160
and that third unit was pretty recently

948
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,160
added. So, I hadn't I wasn't aware of

949
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,760
that. But, I'm grateful this project is

950
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,839
happening and that this is getting loved

951
00:39:27,839 --> 00:39:30,800
back to life. It was 100% an eyesore and

952
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,720
it's great. Um, I do have concerns that

953
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,040
I have uh raised with the homeowner over

954
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,800
these last weeks about what looks like a

955
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,320
deck

956
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,440
um coming over the at the uh lot line

957
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,280
and which is about 12 to 15 ft above the

958
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,720
ground. Um, and I'm mentioned to him I'm

959
00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:56,160
nervous this is going to turn into a

960
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,760
deck and I want to lodge my concern here

961
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,440
because it would literally just be

962
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,400
looking directly over into our property.

963
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,720
Um, and I don't think that it's in

964
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:10,320
keeping with town standards to have uh

965
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,119
second story decks uh overlooking town

966
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,480
property. So, the plans show an existing

967
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:21,760
condition of a flat roof with a door

968
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,599
coming out

969
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,400
to what was the second unit, which is

970
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,119
the very upstairs. So, the very tiptop

971
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:31,359
was its own unit. There was a door for

972
00:40:31,359 --> 00:40:33,680
egress. That makes sense. Now, it's the

973
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,839
master bathroom. And that whole section

974
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:39,839
of roof

975
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:43,040
that comes off of that door used to be

976
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,000
sloped. It was a sloped roof that had

977
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,040
drain pipes and now it's flat. And so

978
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,119
when I saw this, there's because there's

979
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:52,720
a lot of construction been happening

980
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,560
over the course of these weeks before

981
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,359
any discussion really happened with us.

982
00:40:57,359 --> 00:40:59,599
So, we grabbed a picture of it from our

983
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,160
property to demonstrate tonight and to

984
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,880
send to Ross and just be like, I'm a

985
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:06,240
little concerned that this is turning

986
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,800
into a deck. And he said, don't worry, But we all know that if

987
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,920
there's a beautiful flat space out with

988
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,599
a door leading from the master bedroom,

989
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,880
there's a lot of potential for a deck.

990
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,960
And the existing condition was not a

991
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,079
flat roof. the existing condition was a

992
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,520
sloped roof. So, I just want to kind of

993
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,280
understand

994
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,160
what might be a concern of mine and see

995
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:38,560
if it's a concern of anybody else's.

996
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:39,200
>> Thank you.

997
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,200
>> Yeah.

998
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,760
>> Um, can I ask you a question? So, the

999
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,319
existing flat roof that is called out as

1000
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:48,960
existing flat roof, it was not flat.

1001
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,480
>> It was not. And you can see in the

1002
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,680
pictures that it was um sloped for

1003
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,599
drainage. So sloped enough that you

1004
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:57,680
couldn't put furniture on it. If you

1005
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,150
want to pull up the photos.

1006
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,319
And then my husband emailed a picture of

1007
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:07,040
what it looks like now

1008
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,829
if you want to throw that up as well.

1009
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:17,359
» Oh, okay. Well, we can provide it. So,

1010
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:19,839
do you want to point out the spot on the

1011
00:42:19,839 --> 00:42:20,480
photo?

1012
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,680
>> Oh, is that it there

1013
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,280
>> in the upper right? Is that what we're

1014
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,760
looking at?

1015
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:36,550
>> Oh, I saw it on the planning.

1016
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,319
This is

1017
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:40,400
when you look

1018
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,400
from the shingles

1019
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,030
on current

1020
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,920
it

1021
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,720
flat. So that's my concern. Um

1022
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:57,520
and I know how things happen once it's

1023
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,200
built. Really hard to undo

1024
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,839
um a condition.

1025
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:05,520
>> Okay. Uh thank you.

1026
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:10,640
>> Um so then actually I would like you to

1027
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,839
address this because the owner or the

1028
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:17,839
your team because uh if the existing

1029
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:19,520
condition

1030
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,520
was actually or the pre-existing

1031
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,040
condition was sloped and now it's flat.

1032
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,839
And Beverly is correct in that we always

1033
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:34,960
oppose second floor decks and yeah, we

1034
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,520
don't want a second floor deck there.

1035
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:38,880
Well, I don't mean to speak for

1036
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,280
everybody else, but knowing them, I'm

1037
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,680
pretty sure. Um,

1038
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,200
so has that condition changed and what

1039
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,640
could be done to prevent it from being a

1040
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,920
deck with a door leading out to it as it

1041
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:55,760
seems to be proposed?

1042
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,040
>> We can address all of that. Um, so first

1043
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,190
of all, the

1044
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:04,800
uh it's a walkway essentially. It's a

1045
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,040
egress walkway out of the top floor.

1046
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,119
there's um not enough egress out of the

1047
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,520
building, but there used to be what's

1048
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,280
called a butterfly roof, if you guys

1049
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,119
know. So, it doesn't look that steep

1050
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:17,520
there, but it was steeper um than this.

1051
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,280
So, they're correct. It was a It had a

1052
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,040
nice little pitch to it. Um and on a

1053
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,200
previous permit, that was changed. So,

1054
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,200
uh the uh height limit on the space, the

1055
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,280
butterfly roof that was there, the

1056
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,960
interior conditions, um that roof was

1057
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,400
just made one nice flat shed roof. And

1058
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,440
that is a walkway with guard rails on

1059
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,680
the side. So, you'd have to rip up the

1060
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,720
guard rails to make a deck to walk on

1061
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:51,760
the deck. But, it is a flat roof now.

1062
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:53,359
This currently it has been changed to a

1063
00:44:53,359 --> 00:44:55,520
flat roof. That's for sure. And where is

1064
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,800
the walkway? If you go to the site plan.

1065
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,760
>> So, but it's now sorry inside just

1066
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,560
inside that door is the master bathroom

1067
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:05,440
proposed.

1068
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,520
>> Yes, the m master bathroom is right.

1069
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:15,510
>> It's like it's like

1070
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,640
it goes out to what?

1071
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,079
>> The backyard

1072
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:21,119
>> or the terraces. So if that was a

1073
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:22,640
>> little

1074
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,359
>> So if that was a window instead of a

1075
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:30,319
door, uh, and windows are most common

1076
00:45:30,319 --> 00:45:33,680
way of egress out of a bedroom for fire

1077
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,599
hazards. Um, like my bedroom doesn't

1078
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,200
have a second doorway going to the

1079
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,640
outside, but it has windows and so the

1080
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,560
fire department thinks that's fine. So,

1081
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,839
it seems like if that proposed door, I'm

1082
00:45:45,839 --> 00:45:47,839
just thinking out loud, was changed to a

1083
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:51,599
window that opened, then there would be

1084
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,920
egress satisfying the fire department,

1085
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,480
but someone wouldn't be using that as a

1086
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:00,480
walkway because we don't even like uh

1087
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,760
and you know the difference between a

1088
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,599
walkway and a deck, you got people on

1089
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:06,240
them. So, if we don't want a walkway on

1090
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,079
the second story, then that could just

1091
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,079
be changed to a window and it would

1092
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:11,839
still provide egress. And the rest of

1093
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:13,599
the plan would still be the same except

1094
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:14,960
you'd be looking at a window instead of

1095
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,520
a door. Uh if it had if the door even

1096
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:18,640
has glass on it.

1097
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:19,040
>> Yeah.

1098
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,480
>> So we'd have to go back and change

1099
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,160
another permit.

1100
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,760
>> It's already been permanent. The reason

1101
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,280
it's existing is because it was

1102
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,599
previously permitted as a walkway. There

1103
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,440
was an existing door there.

1104
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,680
>> So it's not just about egress. It's also

1105
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:34,000
about accessibility. If you're on that

1106
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,800
top floor, you'd have to go downstairs

1107
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,400
around the building to get to the

1108
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,839
backyard. And so we permit as a pathway

1109
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:44,720
to the to the open space. Uh and it was

1110
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:48,800
permitted um and there's a a steel or

1111
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,880
metal guard rail uh and a walkway. Um

1112
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,200
and no intention from the owner to to

1113
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,119
make a roof deck.

1114
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,760
>> And is that roof what is the material of

1115
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,520
the roof now? Or what is the proposed

1116
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,800
material of the roof if

1117
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,480
>> it's already it was uh proposed as

1118
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,440
asphalt? I believe it's all bitamine.

1119
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,200
bitchmen.

1120
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,240
>> Um,

1121
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,960
>> and but there is a railing at the front

1122
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,079
of the roof that is not a balcony. That

1123
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:16,640
is not a

1124
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,319
>> The roof has no railing. You would fall

1125
00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:24,240
off. It's dangerous. Um, the deck the the Yeah, again the roof has nothing

1126
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,200
on it. That walkway has railings on it.

1127
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,800
>> And then just a a a little tip um as we

1128
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,800
see a lot of illegal builds and red

1129
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,599
tags. If we don't have the bridge on it,

1130
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,839
that's going to be a deck. By putting

1131
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:39,200
the bridge on it and putting the

1132
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:40,720
railings on it and committing to the

1133
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:42,480
construction and ripping up the roof and

1134
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,240
the waterproofing, it is going to be

1135
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,720
much harder to make that a deck than if

1136
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:48,720
there was a window and you just pop the

1137
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,480
door in and use it as a deck. This is

1138
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,680
typically what happens. So, just letting

1139
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,359
you know, we actually control that by

1140
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:56,319
putting in the structure. And this we've

1141
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:59,040
just seen over time. Um, but the like I

1142
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,280
said from the beginning, we are looking

1143
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,280
to make everybody happy. We can we can

1144
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,119
mitigate this even more. Can we put a

1145
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,680
green screen on that and it grows up

1146
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,680
nice and even on the little piece and

1147
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,680
then nobody can be seen walking by. You

1148
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,760
know, whatever we can do to help with

1149
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,240
that, put a tree between or some foliage

1150
00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,400
or maybe planters on the edge of the

1151
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,480
roof. We would love to do that. We're

1152
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,280
not trying to encroach on privacy.

1153
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,319
>> Uh yeah. So, sorry, just thinking out

1154
00:48:26,319 --> 00:48:28,559
loud. It's obviously it's an already

1155
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:31,520
permitted walkway on the roof. Yes.

1156
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:34,640
where if it came to us, we probably

1157
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,119
wouldn't want that, but it is there and

1158
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,599
it's permitted. So, I think putting a

1159
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:42,960
planting uh there to screen that would

1160
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:47,280
be a very nice gesture. Uh

1161
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,200
yeah. Yeah.

1162
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,880
>> And we'd be open to even more

1163
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,480
conversation about it, but I think that

1164
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,000
could be the first uh piece of the uh

1165
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,079
resolution or, you know, help making

1166
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:59,839
everybody comfortable.

1167
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:02,240
>> Okay. Um, sorry. Are there any questions

1168
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,640
on that from anyone?

1169
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,960
>> No, not on that. Not on that point.

1170
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,359
>> Okay.

1171
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:14,880
Thank you for clarifying that.

1172
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,480
>> You don't want to cause any feedback.

1173
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:17,200
So, I'm trying to

1174
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:18,800
>> questions of Alex.

1175
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,240
>> Yeah. Yeah.

1176
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,319
>> Um, so Joy has a question for you.

1177
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:23,839
>> Alex and Robera.

1178
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:26,640
>> For three units, how many parking spaces

1179
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,559
are required?

1180
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,839
So they had two units existing, one at

1181
00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:34,400
the very top and then one on the main

1182
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,200
level. They need to maintain those two

1183
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,079
units. To do that, they're basically

1184
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:42,559
converting the garage

1185
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,000
to then be able to transfer that to

1186
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,240
create that second unit on the bottom.

1187
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:51,440
That way they're not losing the units

1188
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,839
that are existing and in a way they're

1189
00:49:53,839 --> 00:49:56,720
also creating an ADU. So that's another

1190
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:01,359
unit. um the ADUs

1191
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:03,520
because it's a conversion of an existing

1192
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,839
space um there's no parking requirement.

1193
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:09,119
>> That's right.

1194
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,359
>> They're within a mile of public transit

1195
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:12,240
which they are.

1196
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:12,800
>> Yeah.

1197
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,800
>> So that's if they weren't then they

1198
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,400
>> good point need to provide

1199
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,839
>> parking in this case if they wanted no

1200
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:22,800
parking they could they wouldn't be

1201
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,359
required any parking spaces.

1202
00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:27,920
>> Okay. Okay. Okay, good to know. Thank

1203
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,079
you.

1204
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,650
>> Okay. Um Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me.

1205
00:50:34,650 --> 00:50:36,559
[clears throat]

1206
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,599
>> So, my name is Mark Converse and I live

1207
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,680
on the other side at 16 Sir Francis

1208
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,240
Drake and I've lived here for in Town

1209
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:48,480
Ross for 15 and a half years. Um, and I

1210
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,319
agree with Beverly that it's great to

1211
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,480
clean that uh property up. It was in bad

1212
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,920
shape. Hadn't been worked on since the

1213
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,480
70s. lot of it's old and dilapidated,

1214
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,920
but um um it's and I've been in pre

1215
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,000
frequent contact with Ross since he

1216
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,119
bought the place, uh the owner. Um and

1217
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:07,440
I'm pretty surprised to find out tonight

1218
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,480
that they're planning on three units.

1219
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,760
Uh I'm really upset that's three units.

1220
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,720
I don't think that's right. Um that's a

1221
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,480
small lot. It was cut out of a lot in

1222
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,240
1911. They built the house on it in

1223
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,640
1912. It was subdivided from the lot

1224
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,280
behind it. and three units is it's a

1225
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,559
pretty small lot for three units

1226
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:27,839
especially given there's very little

1227
00:51:27,839 --> 00:51:32,079
park on Surf Francis Drake. Um so I

1228
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,599
don't know what the whole process is the

1229
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,160
town. I'm sort of familiar with it but

1230
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,200
um I'm Is this the final approval for to

1231
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:40,960
go forward with all the construction?

1232
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,680
>> No, this is a recommendation to the town

1233
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:44,640
council. Okay.

1234
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:46,720
>> That we make whether or not a project be

1235
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,280
approved and then the town council uh

1236
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,920
which will then see the project one or

1237
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,920
two months from now. Then they vote on

1238
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,800
it and then if they approve something,

1239
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,160
construction goes forward.

1240
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,240
>> So if you tell if tonight you do give

1241
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:02,400
approval, it goes to the town council

1242
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,680
for approval. Is that correct?

1243
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,920
>> Yeah, we we recommend it either for

1244
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,400
approval or not for approval or

1245
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,640
sometimes as you saw previously, we

1246
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,800
might recommend part of the project for

1247
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,680
approval and not another part. Um so um

1248
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,720
but one thing that we do not have

1249
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:24,480
control over here and we don't even have

1250
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,559
the authority to recommend or not

1251
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,680
recommend is how many units are on a

1252
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,640
property. So there's a the state of

1253
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,240
California has ADU laws and we do not

1254
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,520
make recommendations on whether or not a

1255
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,359
lot can have uh ADUs or second

1256
00:52:43,359 --> 00:52:47,040
structures. Second, um,

1257
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,839
inhabitations. So, uh, the architects

1258
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:52,000
said they want to make people happy. Uh,

1259
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,760
three units will not make the the

1260
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,240
neighbors happy. Um, you guys want to

1261
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,640
work with us, that's that'll not be

1262
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,559
that'll make us very very unhappy. Like

1263
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,920
on a scale of 1 to 10 be about 27.

1264
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,040
>> So, take the mic.

1265
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,720
>> What's that? I've got another question,

1266
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,079
too. When you guys did all the work in

1267
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,839
the back, did you get a hydraological

1268
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:11,520
report for all the uh before you built

1269
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,440
all those? And if so, where could I

1270
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,200
review those? I'm a civil engineer. My

1271
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,599
background is history. Do you guys do a

1272
00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:20,079
hydraological report or just do a

1273
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:21,599
>> Okay. And can I see those or where could

1274
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:22,160
I review those?

1275
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,160
>> Uh you can talk to the town staff and

1276
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,760
you're available to see Okay.

1277
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,079
>> anything that they are allowed to give

1278
00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:28,400
you.

1279
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,440
>> Okay. Well, I

1280
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,440
>> and all of those documents uh any civil

1281
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,559
engineering documents will be available

1282
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:39,599
to the public when a project goes up to

1283
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,160
the uh town council also. Okay. Um Okay.

1284
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,319
Um so, um yeah, I think there's I think

1285
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:50,240
there's a lot of issues here that uh I

1286
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,680
think I don't think it fits with the

1287
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,000
town of Ross, the nature of the town. I

1288
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,359
think it's going against the kind of

1289
00:53:55,359 --> 00:53:58,800
nature of the town. Um so, yeah, you're

1290
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,240
Disney this name will not be happy. So,

1291
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:02,800
I'd like to see what you can do to

1292
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,480
>> you don't you don't need to answer his

1293
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:05,040
comments.

1294
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,720
>> Well, I could I could just give it a

1295
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,880
little try. Um

1296
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,680
uh one, I feel you. I really do. I'm

1297
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,640
part of the community and um you know

1298
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,240
there's not enough parking. There's not

1299
00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,280
enough street width. Um luckily they are

1300
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,200
opening up the curb a little bit. Um

1301
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,559
that's looking really good right in

1302
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:25,119
front of the house. But um there's a lot

1303
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:26,880
of politics involved here. I would love

1304
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,960
to talk to you a little bit about it of

1305
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:30,960
course. Um, but you know, we're all

1306
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,240
working together and um, let's go ahead

1307
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,680
and meet and and try to, you know, talk

1308
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,200
about it as much as we can. You know,

1309
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,240
it's it's a state mandator state

1310
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:47,440
mandate. Um, uh, and there's just a lot

1311
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:49,359
going on with it. We're we're surprised,

1312
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:50,880
you know, these things.

1313
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,359
>> Okay. I know you two can take this

1314
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,119
offline because this is

1315
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,880
>> not the venue for neighbor conversations

1316
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:58,240
other than just the

1317
00:54:58,240 --> 00:54:59,920
>> three minutes you can comment on a

1318
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:00,800
project.

1319
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,599
>> Thank you for your time.

1320
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,280
>> Is there anyone else in the audience who

1321
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,160
would like to speak?

1322
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,319
>> Okay.

1323
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:11,119
>> Someone online.

1324
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,400
>> No, there's online.

1325
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,559
>> Great. Okay. Uh who would like to go

1326
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,480
first on this? And once again, um, it

1327
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,599
would be great if you discuss both the

1328
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:21,760
pool equipment variance and the patio

1329
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,160
variance separately

1330
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:28,790
aside from just the overall project.

1331
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,520
» I'll make some comments. Um,

1332
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,920
>> I I like the idea of pulling the pool

1333
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,640
back. I think that's kind of fine. Um, I

1334
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,000
think there's probably an opportunity to

1335
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:42,400
pull that patio space that's was pri pre

1336
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,559
the carport to pull that away from the

1337
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:46,160
property line a little bit. I think, you

1338
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,359
know, there's there's an opportunity to

1339
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,760
pull that back, provide some some relief

1340
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,760
to that um neighbor on that side. Um, so

1341
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,839
I don't really I don't I know it's

1342
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:57,839
existing quote unquote, you know, as a

1343
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:01,440
parking pad prior to the carport, but I

1344
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,880
think if we're going to see it as a

1345
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:04,160
different use case, right, it's not

1346
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,760
parking anymore. Now it's gathering

1347
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,119
space. I think there's an opportunity to

1348
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:08,559
pull that back. So I would like to see

1349
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,960
that come back maybe be up five feet

1350
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,480
from the property line, put some

1351
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,119
planting there, provide some relief. Um

1352
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:18,960
I'm a little bit torn on the the

1353
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,480
location of the pool equipment. You

1354
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,400
know, generally I I don't think putting

1355
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,160
it towards a public sidewalk and a

1356
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,200
public street is a really um community

1357
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,040
solution, right? and instead of pushing

1358
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,720
it to the boundary of the property line

1359
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,680
and burdening others, bring that inbound

1360
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,079
into the property where it can be

1361
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:40,079
properly soundproofed. I don't exactly

1362
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:41,839
know where I would recommend that, but

1363
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:43,440
maybe associated with that with the

1364
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,359
building itself adjacent to that parking

1365
00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:47,280
or the patio that is now a patio. So

1366
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:48,559
maybe there's something we could do to

1367
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:50,319
pull that away from the street front

1368
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:51,839
because there is a sidewalk right there

1369
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:53,839
and you know it's the the proposed

1370
00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:55,680
location is probably about five to to 8

1371
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,760
feet from that sidewalk. So, I'd like to

1372
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,160
see that relocated away from the public

1373
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:03,040
sphere and into the um into the

1374
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,720
property. However, I do recognize it's

1375
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:06,000
Sir Francis Drake. It's a pretty loud

1376
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,400
street. So, I'd love to hear my

1377
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,079
colleagues opinion on the on the pool

1378
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:12,319
equipment.

1379
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:14,204
Uh I think I have some comments on

1380
00:57:14,204 --> 00:57:16,640
[clears throat] the material choice. Um

1381
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,319
I recognize they're going for sort of a

1382
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:22,480
white and a black window scheme.

1383
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:24,480
Not a huge fan of the bright white. Uh,

1384
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,200
I'd love to see that brought down

1385
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,680
five shades. Not just a little bit, but

1386
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:31,680
actually bring it down. I recognize it's

1387
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:33,200
a dark home right now and it does need

1388
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,359
to be brightened up. But, uh, in

1389
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,359
general, we try to avoid putting white

1390
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,720
boxes on hills and, um, it, you know,

1391
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,240
everything being white, the stucco being

1392
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,839
white, the siding being white is a

1393
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:46,160
little much. Uh, I would also maybe

1394
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:47,760
recommend, I like the idea of the sort

1395
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,319
of two materials to have a base. Uh, the

1396
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,160
stucco I think could even go darker than

1397
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,160
the main house material. So provides

1398
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,720
something that not only looks a little

1399
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,640
different from a base but also is a

1400
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,119
different color.

1401
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:08,000
Uh and I think those we just check

1402
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,680
there also the black stained fence.

1403
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,440
I'm torn. I'm not sure that's in keeping

1404
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,160
with kind of that street front, but I'd

1405
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,680
also like to hear my colleagues opinion

1406
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,799
on that. Um I get it. it kind of it's

1407
00:58:20,799 --> 00:58:23,359
trying to tie into this sort of call it

1408
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:24,640
lack for a lack of a better term

1409
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,839
farmhouse look um you know throughout

1410
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:30,400
the project but not sure how I feel

1411
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,000
about that. So those are my comments.

1412
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,960
>> Is there a particular shade or color you

1413
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:35,520
would

1414
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,119
>> I probably just you know look for it to

1415
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,119
be a a more natural color a brown

1416
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,520
something that just fades away versus

1417
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,760
painted black. That would be my problem

1418
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,680
probably my recommendation.

1419
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,599
>> Thank you.

1420
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:48,559
>> You want to go?

1421
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,000
>> Um sure.

1422
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,079
I

1423
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:55,040
for the uh pool equipment that is at the

1424
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,440
front yard set back five feet from the

1425
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,040
property line. Um normally that would

1426
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,720
not be allowed uh or encouraged, but I

1427
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,359
could see a variance for that in this

1428
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:09,119
situation because it's Sir Francis

1429
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:14,319
Drake. It's a six- foot tall fence. um

1430
00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:17,440
is it and if it's enclosed in something

1431
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:21,359
that's soundproofing it some um I I

1432
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:24,319
could support a variance for that um

1433
00:59:24,319 --> 00:59:26,880
based on the

1434
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,799
uh layout of the house and the

1435
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:32,720
topography and um the the shape of the

1436
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,280
lot and mostly just that it's on Sir

1437
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:40,079
Francis Drake uh for the

1438
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,559
Yeah, I looked through all the changes

1439
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:45,200
to the windows and

1440
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,160
seemed like most of the additional

1441
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,640
windows were down at the lowest level.

1442
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:52,960
So, not really a huge private privacy

1443
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,119
concern. Um, I saw on that third floor

1444
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,079
front balcony, you guys added a screen

1445
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:03,599
and the direction that's towards Bev's

1446
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:08,319
uh property. So, that's an improvement.

1447
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:11,680
Um, but I think the main Oh, and then

1448
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:16,000
the the patio at the lower lowest

1449
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,190
yard level. Um,

1450
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,680
yeah, I mean, even the new 10-ft rule

1451
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,880
that we're starting soon is 10 ft and

1452
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:28,960
that's like just all the way up to the

1453
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,880
property line. So, I guess I would agree

1454
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,960
with Mark that, you know, maybe consider

1455
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,880
pulling it pulling it back five feet um

1456
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,559
for those lower pavers.

1457
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:42,079
And

1458
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,280
uh the I think the the main thing that

1459
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,960
was concerning to me, I went to the site

1460
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,480
right before coming here and it was

1461
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,319
already locked. Um, so unfortunately I

1462
01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:55,359
reviewed it by sticking my phone up over

1463
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:58,480
the fence and taking some photos and I

1464
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:00,880
didn't have time to kind of go up that

1465
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,119
road that goes up behind the property to

1466
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:06,160
see it from that perspective. But with

1467
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:10,079
what I saw, it's

1468
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:14,000
if I guess the the big concern would be

1469
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,920
if that

1470
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:19,760
roof spa or patio um

1471
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,920
if the roof space the flat roof the new

1472
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,359
flat roof that's under a different

1473
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,920
permit is occupiable that is like

1474
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,079
looming over the neighbor's yard right

1475
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:29,839
touching the property line that would

1476
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:32,400
never be allowed. So just to ensure

1477
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,319
there's a way that this can be

1478
01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:36,480
controlled. So it is not occupiable

1479
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,200
space. Um that [clears throat] would be

1480
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,559
the main thing that I'm concerned with.

1481
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:48,309
Um in terms of the materials,

1482
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:52,000
the design guidelines do encourage more

1483
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,079
natural colored materials, but there's

1484
01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:57,839
definitely white houses in town. So I

1485
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,480
mean,

1486
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,359
you know, it's a dark area. Uh I don't

1487
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:07,280
know how visible it is from the street.

1488
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,359
I don't feel strongly either way on

1489
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:12,400
that. So thanks.

1490
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,119
>> Okay. I'll try to address uh some of the

1491
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:16,400
comments my colleagues have already

1492
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,359
made. Um as far as the patio is

1493
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:21,520
concerned and that variance, I also

1494
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,000
agree that it should be pulled back. Uh

1495
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,599
it's existing but it's a new use. So, I

1496
01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:29,440
would think pulling it back five feet

1497
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,079
and uh including some nice planting

1498
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:33,760
there, as Mark suggested, would be an

1499
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:37,119
excellent idea. Um, regarding the pool

1500
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,599
equipment, I I have one clarification

1501
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,799
question. How far is a proposed location

1502
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:46,319
from a neighbor's lot? Is it in the more

1503
01:02:46,319 --> 01:02:57,349
in the center?

1504
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:01,750
Okay.

1505
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,040
» Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

1506
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,960
it wasn't like in the corner. Okay. Got

1507
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:05,839
it.

1508
01:03:05,839 --> 01:03:08,240
>> Thank you. Um, yeah. So, I'm actually

1509
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,160
fine with it being close to the street

1510
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,799
only because it's Sir Francis Drake, but

1511
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:14,720
if it was literally any other street in

1512
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,880
town, I would say pull it next to the

1513
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,280
house. Um, I agree with Mark that I

1514
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:23,839
think the tone of the white should just

1515
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:26,400
be lowered. I think it would look nicer

1516
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,119
and I like his design suggestion of a

1517
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,280
somewhat darker base I think would be a

1518
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,200
good thing to explore. I think you'll be

1519
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,720
happier with the result because of it.

1520
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,359
Um, I also think the fence would be

1521
01:03:39,359 --> 01:03:43,039
better a more natural color. Uh, even if

1522
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,280
it's painted brown or just actually

1523
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,680
natural wood, which will then just wear

1524
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,520
over time and it's easier to maintain

1525
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:50,799
because you don't have to repaint it

1526
01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:57,039
after 3 to 10 years. Um, I also agree

1527
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:04,079
um that it's important that the potential deck never be a deck.

1528
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:05,920
And I understand that's not your

1529
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,240
intention. It's already permitted. It's

1530
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,160
already been built. So there's nothing

1531
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:11,920
the town can do about it. But it might

1532
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,079
be good to, as we discussed, put some

1533
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:17,039
kind of planting there. And then I don't

1534
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:18,480
know if the town council can even do

1535
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,480
this because it's already been permitted

1536
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,480
and exists. But maybe there could be

1537
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,760
something just spelled out that that is

1538
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,559
definitely not a deck as the project is

1539
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:30,880
approved and should never be used as a

1540
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:32,880
deck. And I don't mean the walkway part.

1541
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,400
I mean the part that they've said

1542
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,079
shouldn't be used as a deck because no

1543
01:04:36,079 --> 01:04:37,440
one would want that looming over their

1544
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,039
house. And I know it's not your

1545
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,200
intention, but someday someone else

1546
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:42,960
might own it. So, it'd be great if the

1547
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,280
town council could uh somehow just call

1548
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,160
that out so everybody's their concerns

1549
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,760
are laid.

1550
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,599
And those are all of my comments. Oh, um

1551
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,799
I do like the overall project. I'm glad

1552
01:04:56,799 --> 01:05:00,240
actually that Ross gets another ADU. And

1553
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,720
um yeah, that's it.

1554
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,680
>> Um just just to kind of show you the

1555
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,079
flat roof goes up to the property line.

1556
01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:09,839
>> So that's why it's very important. I I

1557
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:11,440
agree. There should be something like

1558
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:12,400
called out that like

1559
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,319
>> Oh, planting to block it. Is that what

1560
01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:14,880
you mean?

1561
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,559
>> Planting like next to the walkway like I

1562
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:17,839
thought on the roof

1563
01:05:17,839 --> 01:05:21,359
>> like you know you could put like plant planters and get like you know

1564
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:24,079
>> Okay. Like if the planter is two feet

1565
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,680
tall, then you have like a four foot

1566
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,760
plant and then someone who's six feet is

1567
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,440
who's tall who's walking behind it

1568
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:30,960
doesn't look into their yard and they

1569
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,319
don't see the person walking on that

1570
01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:34,079
walkway for the very few times that

1571
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,079
someone is walking there just no one

1572
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:37,440
sees it.

1573
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,599
>> Can can I just clarify that? Um, you

1574
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:41,920
were talking about like in San Francisco

1575
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,559
they call it like an AB005

1576
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,559
where you fill something out that says

1577
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:49,039
we will not build here or put a window

1578
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:51,119
here or you were just talking about the

1579
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:52,799
planters.

1580
01:05:52,799 --> 01:05:54,160
>> Sorry, I was talking about two separate

1581
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,240
things. Yeah, exactly. One should be it

1582
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,599
would be great if the town council could

1583
01:05:57,599 --> 01:05:59,760
figure something out or the town staff

1584
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,599
where it was just very clear that that

1585
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,760
was never going to be a deck.

1586
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,079
>> It would be a condition of approval.

1587
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:07,280
put in the conditions of

1588
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:08,480
>> the second thing that would be great

1589
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,559
that we talked about that's voluntary

1590
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:12,240
because it's already approved was if you

1591
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,240
just got some, you know, nice planters

1592
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:16,319
and put a little hedge so when someone's

1593
01:06:16,319 --> 01:06:18,240
walking there's planting here and then

1594
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,799
nobody looks out into their house as

1595
01:06:20,799 --> 01:06:22,799
they're using that walkway to access the

1596
01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:23,520
backyard.

1597
01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,400
>> Clear? Yep.

1598
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,720
>> Thanks.

1599
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,200
>> Okay, Joey, your turn. Okay. So, I'll

1600
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:32,799
start just with the pure design uh

1601
01:06:32,799 --> 01:06:36,079
elements regarding the finishes and the

1602
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:38,799
color. I feel like it's too big of a

1603
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:42,720
building to be so white to I echo what

1604
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,000
my colleague said here about the base to

1605
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,839
really read as a base. I think it would

1606
01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:50,319
be more successful if it were darker.

1607
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:52,880
Um, and to that end, it I think it would

1608
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,480
also be more successful if it had more

1609
01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,280
texture than just being stucco. For

1610
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,640
example, considering making using the

1611
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,200
siding but running it vertically and

1612
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:07,680
painting it a different color, having it

1613
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,440
be darker than the main house. I think

1614
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,359
the white the white white everywhere is

1615
01:07:15,359 --> 01:07:17,599
going to make that building just look

1616
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,319
enormous up on the hill. So, I think

1617
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:22,720
that would go a lot that would go quite

1618
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,760
far to mitigating the perceived mass.

1619
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,760
Um, I also think with a really white

1620
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:32,799
building and black um window sashes,

1621
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:36,240
it's so contrasting and you've got a lot

1622
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,039
of windows there. If you might knock

1623
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:42,480
down the contrast, I also think that the

1624
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,760
roof material is a little too light. You

1625
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:47,680
could go a shade darker because there's

1626
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,400
a lot of roof. You actually see a lot of

1627
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,520
roof. So those would be my suggestions

1628
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,319
just from a purely color point of view

1629
01:07:56,319 --> 01:07:58,720
from finishes. I I don't have any

1630
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:00,799
problem with the pool equipment where

1631
01:08:00,799 --> 01:08:03,440
it's showing specifically because it's

1632
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,599
on Sir Francis Drake and the noise it's

1633
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,079
already noisy and I think that's that's

1634
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:11,359
a perfectly fine place for it. I would

1635
01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:14,400
pull the patio back and provide planting

1636
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,440
screen, just more green, not have the

1637
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:21,440
patio right up to the um to the uh to

1638
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:24,799
the property line. I also agree with my

1639
01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:26,960
colleagues about

1640
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,120
some sort of way to uh ensure that that

1641
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,520
flat roof won't become a deck someday.

1642
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:39,040
Some way to do it legally. And uh

1643
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,719
what were the other issues we had

1644
01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:43,359
discussed? Um

1645
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,920
I think that's it. That's really what I

1646
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,319
felt the most. It was just too big and

1647
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,319
too white because it's such a big

1648
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,480
building.

1649
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:53,040
>> Thank you.

1650
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:53,759
>> Okay.

1651
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:55,759
Uh thank you everybody for your

1652
01:08:55,759 --> 01:08:57,759
time.

1653
01:08:57,759 --> 01:09:01,759
Now we will move on to the next item.

1654
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:04,400
Um, Robera and Alex have some

1655
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,480
information for us.

1656
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:10,400
>> Um, so this is a continuation of the

1657
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,000
discussion

1658
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,199
to draft a pool and land landscape

1659
01:09:15,199 --> 01:09:18,880
feature exception. Um, the process would

1660
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,799
basically have to be considered by the

1661
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:25,199
council, but it would streamline pools

1662
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,679
and landscape features that are at least

1663
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:30,400
a 10-ft step back from the property

1664
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,440
lines. Um, in our last meeting, there

1665
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:36,319
was a question about

1666
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,359
um, hillside lots and pools on hillside

1667
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,480
lots. So,

1668
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:44,560
what did we find, Alex? Based on what we

1669
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,679
found, they weren't necessarily

1670
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:51,920
pushing the pools closer to the um

1671
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,600
>> property line but there were some

1672
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:58,880
instances where

1673
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:02,080
it was closer than 10 ft

1674
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:02,960
>> like two, I think

1675
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:05,679
>> there were two. So the option there

1676
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:10,000
would be that this uh pool exception

1677
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,440
process would not apply to hillside lots

1678
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:16,560
and if they want a pool in the setback

1679
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:18,480
it would be the same. They are asking

1680
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,400
for a variance that would go before the

1681
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,880
ADR and then the council. Um a lot of

1682
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,280
the pools we're seeing though aren't

1683
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,159
necessarily in hillside lots and that

1684
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:34,000
this process would help them. Um, and so

1685
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,560
the next step of the process is really

1686
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,440
just kind of going through the draft and

1687
01:10:39,440 --> 01:10:41,840
if there's any questions or anything

1688
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,679
that we're missing that we want to

1689
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:46,960
capture to do that now before we send it

1690
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:50,000
to the town attorney's office um for

1691
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,040
their legal review.

1692
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:54,480
>> I want to bring Mark up to speak because

1693
01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,120
the three of us were here last month and

1694
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:58,640
made this comment about the hillside

1695
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:02,560
lot. So the the question was

1696
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,800
whether or not we're going to see we

1697
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:08,560
wouldn't see pools on a hillside which

1698
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,960
um might necessitate a large retaining

1699
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,840
wall at the let's say the downward edge

1700
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:17,520
of the pool and that would be we might

1701
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,560
not we might want to see those in lie of

1702
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,520
having them be administerially done

1703
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,080
because that could get it could

1704
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,239
exacerbate some conditions if it's

1705
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:30,080
within 10 ft. of a property line. So

1706
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:31,360
that was the discussion.

1707
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:32,640
>> Doesn't that need to come in front of

1708
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,360
the ADR if it has a big retaining wall?

1709
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,159
Does the retaining wall necessitate a

1710
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:39,760
variance or something else if it's

1711
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:41,840
higher than six

1712
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,840
>> anything over 48 in

1713
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,159
>> Yeah. So that it was a discussion we

1714
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,239
had. We weren't we didn't make a

1715
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,560
recommendation. We just we just asked.

1716
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,040
>> So I'm just just thinking out loud.

1717
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,840
Let's say something is exactly 10 feet

1718
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,640
from the property line and it's exactly

1719
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:02,560
48 inches tall, the retaining wall,

1720
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,280
>> and you're downhill from it because

1721
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:06,080
that's

1722
01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:07,679
>> if you're above it, you don't care,

1723
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:08,080
right?

1724
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:09,760
>> So, I'm just trying to envision that.

1725
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,560
So, 10 feet, you know, I'm here to that

1726
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,520
wall

1727
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,840
>> and then it's slightly above me. So,

1728
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:17,760
maybe like where that picture frame is

1729
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,080
and then on top of that there's a 4ft

1730
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,640
retaining wall and then a pool. So

1731
01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:25,520
theoretically, it could almost be as

1732
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,920
close to me as that uh

1733
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:30,640
molding

1734
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,159
>> and then they put a railing on top

1735
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:33,840
>> and then a railing on top and there are

1736
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,080
people standing there and they're 10 ft

1737
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,880
from my fence. So yeah, I could see that

1738
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,080
being an issue when it's 10 ft and it's

1739
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:42,880
above you

1740
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,000
>> and it's a slope.

1741
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:45,280
So they're building

1742
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:47,520
that 48 in allowed

1743
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:48,000
>> Yeah.

1744
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,520
>> by right retaining wall. Yeah, that that

1745
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:53,440
makes sense. Try to envision that. It

1746
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:54,960
seems like it could be looming.

1747
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,080
>> Yeah, I think that this whole new

1748
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,320
program we're

1749
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,000
probably

1750
01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,960
shouldain.

1751
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,120
>> Yeah, I'm okay with that exception as

1752
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,520
far as because we don't see that many

1753
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:10,960
coming for a hillside lot. So, that

1754
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,520
means we won't be overwhelmed by every

1755
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,360
pool in the setback. And then there's

1756
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,199
one other potential issue that that just

1757
01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:21,199
made me think of. What if it's not a

1758
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:23,280
hillside lot? What if it's just a

1759
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,960
relatively normal lot, but it happens to

1760
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,480
just slope down at the end?

1761
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:27,040
>> Mhm.

1762
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:28,480
>> And then you could have this exact same

1763
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:29,840
situation

1764
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:33,040
>> because it's a 10ft slope.

1765
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,000
>> Yeah.

1766
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,840
>> Right. So theoretically there could be

1767
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,760
like a 1acre flat lot. Yeah. Yeah.

1768
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,080
>> And then just right above my fence, it

1769
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,719
slopes down 15 ft and build the pool at

1770
01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:46,719
the end and like then I've got that same

1771
01:13:46,719 --> 01:13:48,400
scenario even if it's not a hillside

1772
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:49,040
lot.

1773
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:50,800
>> So maybe

1774
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:56,400
the the issue is it shouldn't apply if

1775
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:00,159
there has to be a retaining wall built

1776
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:03,199
on the downward slope.

1777
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:05,600
Like then maybe it shouldn't be 10 feet.

1778
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,840
So, even if it's not a hillside lot,

1779
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,320
maybe it should just be on pools that

1780
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:12,080
require

1781
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,880
uh a retaining wall because they're

1782
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:18,080
built on a slope. If they're within 10

1783
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,800
ft of the property line, regardless of

1784
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,679
if it's a hillside lot or not, maybe

1785
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:27,600
that should not be allowed. I I I

1786
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:29,199
remember so there was one more piece of

1787
01:14:29,199 --> 01:14:31,679
the conversation we did have is staff

1788
01:14:31,679 --> 01:14:33,120
has the ability to look at something

1789
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:35,440
like this and say ah we're not

1790
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,760
comfortable with it because we're

1791
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,560
starting to see an unusual exception to

1792
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:44,080
this 10-foot rule and you can say I'd

1793
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,400
like that to go before the ADR. So we do

1794
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,400
have a sort of the staff has an out if

1795
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:49,600
you're starting to see something that

1796
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:51,600
gamifies the system so much that it

1797
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:54,239
creates a really bad scenario. I like

1798
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:55,520
the idea of the hillside lot because

1799
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,760
it's very succinct. It's very specific.

1800
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,080
It can be very like it's those lots.

1801
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,760
They don't qualify because when you

1802
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:03,280
start to get into like, well, if they

1803
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:04,640
got a little retaining wall, then it

1804
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,159
starts to be a little mushy.

1805
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:08,800
>> Or maybe and maybe even so the out that

1806
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,159
they have,

1807
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,400
>> which might be hard to do, but maybe

1808
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,000
there's good wording for that. If they

1809
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,080
have the out where something looks that

1810
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:17,120
you could say

1811
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,640
>> in cases

1812
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,960
>> such as retaining walls you could even

1813
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,679
call it out because otherwise at some

1814
01:15:23,679 --> 01:15:25,440
point someone say well everyone's

1815
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:26,719
allowed 10 feet

1816
01:15:26,719 --> 01:15:28,400
>> so we should be allowed 10 feet because

1817
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:30,480
our retaining wall is only 3 feet tall.

1818
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:33,280
>> So like you might even use that as an

1819
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:34,560
example

1820
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:39,360
>> uh for ways to maybe not just approve it

1821
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,080
by right. How do you guys think about

1822
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,360
what is your opinion on this particular

1823
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:46,159
issue?

1824
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:49,600
>> So, I'm very supportive and I want this

1825
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,159
to move forward. I am a little fearful

1826
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,239
that

1827
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:55,840
the two of us are going to get all the

1828
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:57,920
complaints, right? like why did you guys

1829
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,960
allow all these 10- foot away pools? And

1830
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,040
no one we no one ever told us our

1831
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:04,960
neighbor was going to build a pool 10

1832
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,719
feet away from us and if it's elevated

1833
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,800
or on a retaining wall and then maybe

1834
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:12,640
there could be privacy issues then

1835
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,239
they're like now they're they can look

1836
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:17,920
over to our house that gives me a little

1837
01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:21,679
bit of pause. So I would want this to be

1838
01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:26,239
as I guess strict as possible. Maybe for

1839
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:29,440
now it's really only for

1840
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:33,199
in ground or pools that don't require a

1841
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:35,520
retaining wall more than a certain

1842
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:36,640
height.

1843
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:38,400
>> I mean, I'm if if that works, Mark's

1844
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,159
suggestion, I think I'm fine with that.

1845
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:41,600
>> Something about the retaining wall

1846
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,760
height. Um because if your neighbor's

1847
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,520
lot is relatively flat, but happens to

1848
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,679
slope down just above you, like that

1849
01:16:49,679 --> 01:16:51,360
unusual rare

1850
01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:53,600
>> Yeah. circumstance.

1851
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,719
If the retaining wall was only a foot

1852
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:00,640
high, well then it's basically flat for

1853
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,880
the pool. But, you know, maybe you just

1854
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,400
say any retaining wall uh over

1855
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:07,920
>> 18 in 2T

1856
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,239
>> over 18 in and then they can always come

1857
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,080
in and get it approved and people can

1858
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,920
always say, "Oh, look. Well, yeah, it

1859
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:15,520
slopes down a little bit, but the

1860
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,520
neighbors above it because there's a

1861
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,040
creek or something like that. So, it

1862
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:20,239
doesn't matter.

1863
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:21,760
>> You can always

1864
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:22,960
approve it,

1865
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:26,800
>> but it's hard to deny it in the very

1866
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,600
unlikely and unusual cases where it

1867
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,159
would be looming over somebody's place.

1868
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:33,280
>> I'm I'm good with that.

1869
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:33,600
>> Okay.

1870
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:34,560
>> What do you think, Joey?

1871
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:35,600
>> So,

1872
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,080
>> yeah, I I'm comfortable with the

1873
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,880
retaining like if it requires a

1874
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,760
retaining wall, then that triggers you

1875
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,840
determining if it needs design review.

1876
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:46,640
Is that what we're saying?

1877
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,159
>> Any retaining wall? Yeah. Just

1878
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:49,760
>> Yes. If it requires a retaining wall,

1879
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:50,960
you need designer. You can

1880
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:52,800
>> And then if we do that, we're not going

1881
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,080
to say the hillside lot thing, right?

1882
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,159
Sometimes the like the opposite of what

1883
01:17:58,159 --> 01:17:59,840
he's saying. You can have a hillside lot

1884
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,000
and it's still totally flat on one side

1885
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,280
like my yard.

1886
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:04,080
>> Oh, yeah.

1887
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,360
>> Yeah. I think that that's I think that's

1888
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:05,920
appropriate.

1889
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,719
>> I think that would cover Yeah. It would

1890
01:18:08,719 --> 01:18:11,040
>> the you know concern of the unusual

1891
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:12,719
circumstance. Yeah. Right. Can can we

1892
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:15,600
talk about what we uh not that

1893
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,520
>> um

1894
01:18:17,520 --> 01:18:20,800
we had a we had a set height for things

1895
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,960
that could be within this 10 foot or or

1896
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,960
within this special zone let's call it

1897
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:26,640
right between a building setback

1898
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,000
>> 20T to 10t

1899
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:31,440
>> well it was 40t to 10 ft right to 10t so

1900
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,159
in that zone we had said I think we had

1901
01:18:34,159 --> 01:18:36,159
said 36 in because we were thinking a

1902
01:18:36,159 --> 01:18:38,080
countertop right for like an outdoor

1903
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:38,640
kitchen.

1904
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:39,280
>> Yes. Um,

1905
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:40,880
>> I thought we said higher, but

1906
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:42,480
>> that's what I I I kind of want to know

1907
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,480
what we did say. I was scrolling through

1908
01:18:44,480 --> 01:18:48,640
the draft and I can't remember.

1909
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,920
>> I thought it was 48.

1910
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,480
>> It might be. I don't know. Alex, can you

1911
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:53,280
find that in here?

1912
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,480
>> Oh, yeah. There it is.

1913
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:55,360
>> Yeah. Right.

1914
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,600
>> The following landscape features shall

1915
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,159
not exceed a maximum height of 4 feet

1916
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,840
measured from the finished grade. Go

1917
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:03,040
down a little bit, Alex.

1918
01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:03,679
>> Okay.

1919
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:05,360
>> And that's an outdoor kitchen, an

1920
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,840
outdoor fireplace, and the built-in

1921
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,159
seating. So if you have any of those

1922
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,640
>> four feet instead of six feet.

1923
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,480
>> Yes, I'll tell we'll tell him.

1924
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:16,239
>> But there's that there was that other

1925
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:18,000
piece that was

1926
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,159
>> right. So they would drop

1927
01:19:20,159 --> 01:19:22,880
>> they would be from

1928
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:24,960
>> but we're giving them a variance like

1929
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,520
we're not approving it based on a future

1930
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:29,280
code change. We're giving them a

1931
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,760
variance based on the fact that that's

1932
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:32,239
happening.

1933
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:33,840
>> That is correct. But when we think about

1934
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:37,520
that, so what Joey just said, this term

1935
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,640
says finish grade.

1936
01:19:38,640 --> 01:19:40,159
>> So when they built a deck, finished

1937
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:40,480
grade,

1938
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:43,199
>> which one is the finished grade in that

1939
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:45,440
scenario? Is it the patio or is it the

1940
01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:48,400
actual grade at 2 foot6 below that?

1941
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:49,600
>> The patio.

1942
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,440
>> So the patio, why isn't it the grade?

1943
01:19:51,440 --> 01:19:52,560
>> But that's perfect because that's

1944
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:54,880
actually what we told him. We told him

1945
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,600
that it had it could be six feet

1946
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,800
including the two feet below the patio.

1947
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,120
So, which meant 4T above the finished

1948
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,440
grade. So, we actually did end up here,

1949
01:20:05,440 --> 01:20:07,920
which was correct. Do we like that? Do

1950
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,679
we like No, I follow you. I think you're

1951
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:11,199
correct. It's 2 foot six

1952
01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:13,199
>> because wherever the grade is like, you

1953
01:20:13,199 --> 01:20:14,960
know. So, so I'm on my deck.

1954
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:16,719
>> It's a wall

1955
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:18,719
>> 11 ft away from the property line and

1956
01:20:18,719 --> 01:20:21,120
I'm standing here. I'm 6 feet.

1957
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:23,840
>> If I got something four feet tall,

1958
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:25,920
>> it doesn't affect

1959
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,679
like it doesn't matter. This is the

1960
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:30,000
green. This is the patio. So, it's like

1961
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,199
I'm standing I don't know what this is.

1962
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:31,440
Okay.

1963
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:34,400
>> And most of the retain

1964
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:35,120
>> this one here.

1965
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,600
>> I think it's the view from it's the

1966
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,320
neighbor's view at now this thing is 10

1967
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,920
ft from the from the fence. This is the

1968
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,640
fence up from

1969
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,760
allow that deck.

1970
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,120
>> Well, it's not a deck though. I think

1971
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:50,560
it's just like a

1972
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,480
>> It's a It's a retaining wall.

1973
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:54,400
>> We would have to allow that patio to be

1974
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:56,159
built if it was four feet tall.

1975
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:57,760
Actually,

1976
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,440
this whole thing would not

1977
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:10,870
>> come to us.

1978
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,840
» That's right.

1979
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,480
>> Is a retaining wall.

1980
01:21:16,480 --> 01:21:19,600
>> So, this wouldn't Oh, Joey, your mic.

1981
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,040
>> Whole thing has gotten jacked up. Yeah,

1982
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,880
>> they conveniently didn't give us a

1983
01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,080
section of the pool.

1984
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,120
>> It it the whole thing has risen to the

1985
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,040
level of the house.

1986
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:31,840
>> Okay. Right.

1987
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,360
>> And the whole

1988
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,560
>> land sloped away. So with our new

1989
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,280
>> regulations that we're speaking of, this

1990
01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:42,560
would not have qualified for the 10 foot

1991
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:43,679
deal

1992
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:44,800
>> because that what is

1993
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,440
>> over 18 in. It's 32.

1994
01:21:47,440 --> 01:21:49,760
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. So,

1995
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:50,320
uh,

1996
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,639
>> the pool wouldn't have worked,

1997
01:21:52,639 --> 01:21:55,760
>> but the and neither would the

1998
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,320
>> patio and none of it would have worked

1999
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,320
>> in the new our new plan.

2000
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,159
>> So, so let's just clarify that the

2001
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,080
retaining wall for a pool is different

2002
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:05,920
than a retaining wall for that patio

2003
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:08,480
space where the barbecue in is, right?

2004
01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,560
>> It's still 10 ft from the setback line

2005
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,520
and it's over 18 in. The retaining wall

2006
01:22:13,520 --> 01:22:16,480
is bigger than 18 in. So therefore they

2007
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:18,719
wouldn't be allowed to have this deal.

2008
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,880
>> Yeah. Because Steven was very uh clear

2009
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,400
in his suggestion, which is a good one,

2010
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,159
of limiting things to the 18 in

2011
01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:25,520
>> 18 in above

2012
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:26,239
>> grade.

2013
01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:26,800
>> Great.

2014
01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:28,800
>> Yeah. Otherwise, the 10 foot thing

2015
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:30,639
otherwise you're going back to 40 ft and

2016
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:32,960
>> so they're 26. It should have been if it

2017
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:36,000
was 18. We're okay with that. It would

2018
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,560
have been fine at the barbecue area if

2019
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:40,960
it was 18 in of a retaining wall and

2020
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,800
then a 4ft barbecue.

2021
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:44,000
>> Yes.

2022
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,600
>> Exactly. because we're still saying

2023
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:48,880
finish grade isn't isn't the ground,

2024
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:53,430
it's the new patio.

2025
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:55,920
» No, I think we're saying it's the two

2026
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:56,719
different things here.

2027
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:58,159
>> This is what I'm Yeah. So, let's

2028
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:00,239
>> two different things. We're we're saying

2029
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:02,400
this deal doesn't even pertain to

2030
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,480
anybody that's got to build a retaining

2031
01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:07,520
wall bigger than 18 in.

2032
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,480
So number one, this you don't get this

2033
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:11,360
10 foot

2034
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,639
>> okay

2035
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:15,760
>> leniency if you must build a retaining

2036
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,600
wall bigger than 18 in

2037
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:18,960
>> and we just came up with the 18 inches

2038
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:21,120
now we just said that okay sober

2039
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,920
>> I think that was already part of it like

2040
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:25,679
>> we had something above we did have

2041
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:27,199
something in here above

2042
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:29,440
>> already for decks and patios

2043
01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:30,960
>> right decks and patios okay

2044
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,360
>> was it 18 in I think that's what

2045
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:34,800
>> I I I

2046
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,880
>> it's number two the pool decks pool

2047
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,840
decks not exceeding 18 inches in height.

2048
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,360
>> Patios, fireplace.

2049
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:42,000
>> Yep.

2050
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,760
>> Okay. So, we had that.

2051
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:45,679
>> Okay. So, that makes So,

2052
01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:46,400
>> that's all good.

2053
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,400
>> He got away with lots of stuff in some

2054
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:49,679
ways, shape, or form because that should

2055
01:23:49,679 --> 01:23:51,840
the 2 foot six should be 18 in.

2056
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:52,719
>> Mhm.

2057
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:54,880
>> And the retaining wall at the pool

2058
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,520
wouldn't be allowed unless we it came

2059
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:58,880
here and we gave it a variance.

2060
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,080
>> But it did come here and we were okay

2061
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,400
with it.

2062
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. But you're right. that would

2063
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,320
not be just allowed by right uh three

2064
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:05,760
months from now if everything gets

2065
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:06,239
approved.

2066
01:24:06,239 --> 01:24:07,760
>> Right. So council

2067
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,639
>> to clarify Roberto we were saying that

2068
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,639
no

2069
01:24:12,639 --> 01:24:15,679
retaining walls associated with pools

2070
01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:16,960
>> fall into this

2071
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,040
>> but is there an 18 in

2072
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,080
>> that's why I was wondering.

2073
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,560
>> Yeah we just do the 18 in keep

2074
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:23,840
>> okay keeping consistent.

2075
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:26,080
>> So keeping the patios and pool retaining

2076
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:27,840
at 18 in max.

2077
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:28,239
>> Yeah.

2078
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,159
>> Call it a day. Okay. Well, and and we

2079
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:31,440
sort of have that with the pool decks

2080
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:32,960
not exceeding 18 in.

2081
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:33,520
>> Yeah.

2082
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:34,159
Yeah.

2083
01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:36,239
>> And then you get 48, right? So that's

2084
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:40,159
>> on top of the 18 or 48 from

2085
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,760
>> I think you get it on top of finish

2086
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:42,239
grade.

2087
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:44,080
>> Yeah. Finish grade becomes the pool

2088
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,639
deck.

2089
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:49,520
>> What do you think of making that 36 from

2090
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:53,360
finish grade if you have an 18 inch

2091
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:57,679
jackup? Or you can have 48 if you need.

2092
01:24:57,679 --> 01:24:59,840
No. Because think about it.

2093
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,000
>> Yeah. Yeah. You then you're getting plus

2094
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,520
48 is a lot.

2095
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:05,040
>> Yeah. I'm okay with that.

2096
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,880
>> Yeah. I think that actually is good.

2097
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:10,239
>> You you get 48 either from finish grade

2098
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:14,320
or you get 48US 18. Like you're saying

2099
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,639
36 from finished grade. If it's so

2100
01:25:16,639 --> 01:25:20,719
you're saying 48 in from

2101
01:25:20,719 --> 01:25:22,960
>> grade is really

2102
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:26,400
>> 36 inches from an 18inch raised patio or

2103
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:28,159
>> which we don't have to qualify if we if

2104
01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:31,520
we qualify it as above finish grade

2105
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,600
>> not

2106
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:35,600
that's the definition of finished grade

2107
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:38,159
here in our code. I don't know if it's

2108
01:25:38,159 --> 01:25:40,560
the new surface you've created or the I

2109
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,280
always thought it was the the soil,

2110
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:44,400
>> right? Can can it

2111
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,600
>> unconstructed? Can it say over existing

2112
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:48,159
grade?

2113
01:25:48,159 --> 01:25:48,880
>> Finish grade.

2114
01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:51,040
>> Okay, so grade. So this should be

2115
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,400
>> 48 inches above grade.

2116
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,280
>> Above grade is what you get. If you go

2117
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,600
to a finished grade that's

2118
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,840
>> 18 in

2119
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:04,960
>> or less above grade, then you get a 30.

2120
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,080
I mean, or should

2121
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,360
>> I don't think you have to say the second

2122
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:08,320
one at all.

2123
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:10,719
>> You just have 48 inches from grade

2124
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:14,320
>> and just to clarify so it's

2125
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:17,120
>> easier for people to understand and you

2126
01:26:17,120 --> 01:26:19,040
don't get in these arguments in future

2127
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,360
years. I I think it could be worded as

2128
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,239
48 in above grade,

2129
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:28,000
not finished grade to clarify that it's

2130
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,360
grade not finished.

2131
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:31,520
>> I think that's fine. Yeah. Because

2132
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,040
otherwise people well they'll then be

2133
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,639
having this argument and like well we

2134
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:36,800
thought this and that way it's just very

2135
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:37,280
clear.

2136
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,320
>> I think that's clear.

2137
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:38,639
>> Yeah.

2138
01:26:38,639 --> 01:26:40,719
>> So if you're building on grade you get

2139
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:44,800
48 in. If you've raised it 18 in then

2140
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,239
you get 36.

2141
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:48,719
>> What if somebody else raised it and you

2142
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:51,760
buy the house and move in then what is

2143
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:55,199
existing grade?

2144
01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:55,760
>> You know what I mean?

2145
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,400
>> Whatever the grade is at the end. It's I

2146
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,239
wouldn't say it's it's not a to existing

2147
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,400
grade. It's too grade

2148
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:02,880
>> great.

2149
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:05,280
>> So if they have they could burm it up.

2150
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,960
I'm sure there's other tricks that

2151
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,120
people will try to do.

2152
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:11,520
>> I'm guessing.

2153
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,120
>> But is that good? Do you have that?

2154
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:13,600
>> Yes.

2155
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:15,520
>> Okay, great. And that's I think that's

2156
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,520
easier then and we'll put less pressure

2157
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,080
on you going forward which is what we

2158
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:23,590
want to do also.

2159
01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:25,600
» Okay. And the trellis's comment I made

2160
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,199
last week, did we incorporate that in

2161
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:28,960
there? Can we get I want to make sure

2162
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,480
that I

2163
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,080
>> just wherever it's appropriate to use

2164
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:33,840
trellis as an example of something that

2165
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,080
can't go in this special zone.

2166
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:38,320
>> Yeah, I don't think we have trellises as

2167
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,600
part of landscape structures.

2168
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,360
>> That needs to go through.

2169
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:45,840
>> However you read it, if someone apply

2170
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,080
like I want to build a 10-ft trellis in

2171
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,560
this thing, you know, 10 foot away from

2172
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:51,760
the sideyard setback. I want to make

2173
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,360
sure that that's clear. You can't get

2174
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,760
that in this special exception.

2175
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:56,960
>> Well, I think the height does that

2176
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,320
anyway.

2177
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:00,320
Yeah, it was some of the language in the

2178
01:28:00,320 --> 01:28:03,360
document that made me think that troll's

2179
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:05,040
fall as an exception. I just want to

2180
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:06,080
make sure it was clear.

2181
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,679
>> No, this is our definition for landscape

2182
01:28:07,679 --> 01:28:13,669
futures produc

2183
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:14,960
» seats. Oh, I can zoom in

2184
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:15,679
>> 100%.

2185
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:16,000
>> So,

2186
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,679
>> that's why I want to make sure it was I

2187
01:28:17,679 --> 01:28:21,440
think it was our I think it's the ex um

2188
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:23,840
I wanted to see trelluses as an example

2189
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:26,639
of landscape features

2190
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:29,920
>> in this. So we have decks, patios,

2191
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:32,000
fireplaces,

2192
01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:33,440
seat walls. I would love to see

2193
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:34,159
trelluses.

2194
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:35,440
>> Just add the word trellis.

2195
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:35,840
>> Yeah.

2196
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:37,679
>> Wait, but that's what's allowed.

2197
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:40,159
>> That's this is what we consider

2198
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:41,120
landscape.

2199
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,000
>> Go ahead and do that.

2200
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,159
>> No. No.

2201
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:44,639
>> Yeah.

2202
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:47,990
>> Okay.

2203
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:48,400
» Um,

2204
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,560
>> so if they're applying for that 10 foot

2205
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:52,080
setback, then this is what they can

2206
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:52,400
have.

2207
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,960
>> As long as you've got that covered, that

2208
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:55,360
one.

2209
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:58,400
>> Yeah. then I'm fine.

2210
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:00,960
>> Um, and then I know we have kind of gone

2211
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,920
back and forth on the Oh, does it say it

2212
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,360
there? Pool equipment on the pool

2213
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,679
equipment thing. So, is the pool

2214
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:09,760
equipment going to be allowed to this

2215
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,920
new 10-ft setback?

2216
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:13,600
>> Uh, we crossed it out.

2217
01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:14,480
>> I think not.

2218
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:15,360
>> No. Okay,

2219
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:16,239
>> we crossed

2220
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:18,639
>> Okay, that's I I don't care either way.

2221
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:20,000
I'm just trying to make sure I know in

2222
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,000
my head what we're

2223
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:23,360
>> And I think that's good because that's

2224
01:29:23,360 --> 01:29:25,679
noisy eight hours a day. It's not like

2225
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:27,040
>> and there's already an exception.

2226
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:28,400
>> There's already exception. Can you

2227
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:29,760
remind us what that exception is?

2228
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,199
>> Yeah, pull equipment exception. They can

2229
01:29:31,199 --> 01:29:33,520
put it in a setback is uh they have to

2230
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,679
meet the noise requirements which is 55

2231
01:29:35,679 --> 01:29:37,679
dB. They have to get consent from the

2232
01:29:37,679 --> 01:29:38,639
adjacent neighbor.

2233
01:29:38,639 --> 01:29:40,400
>> Okay.

2234
01:29:40,400 --> 01:29:42,719
>> Zone, but they have to have those

2235
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:44,320
>> and some other conditions. But those are

2236
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:44,800
the main

2237
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,199
>> the project that we just discussed the

2238
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,679
pool equipment.

2239
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:51,440
>> They don't need to do that because

2240
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,040
>> they they can't because that's just for

2241
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,880
sight and rear setbacks. exception is

2242
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,280
just for not for front setbacks.

2243
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:58,800
>> I see. Okay.

2244
01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:59,360
>> Yeah.

2245
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,790
>> Okay.

2246
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,229
» Mhm.

2247
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:07,840
» So, they'll the pool equipment will show

2248
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,480
up in this special zone as long as they

2249
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:12,719
have it soundproofed and they get the

2250
01:30:12,719 --> 01:30:14,800
neighbor approval

2251
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,719
>> for a minor exception. Yeah. They can

2252
01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:18,960
apply. But if it's in the side or rear,

2253
01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:20,080
if it's in the front, then

2254
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:23,040
>> either they um place it not in the

2255
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,040
setback or they're also going to have to

2256
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:26,800
apply for a minor exception.

2257
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:27,280
>> Okay.

2258
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,080
>> To put it in the rear or side front is

2259
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,199
always a variance.

2260
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,080
>> And is the minor exception just what you

2261
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:36,080
discussed is what they have to do. They

2262
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:37,360
don't come here for that or

2263
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:39,040
>> No, it's just we do notice it to the

2264
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,880
adjacent neighbor.

2265
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,400
>> Um but yeah, it doesn't really go just

2266
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:45,920
goes to like whoever touches the

2267
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:48,320
property. So maybe two neighbors, maybe

2268
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:52,709
three. Just depends.

2269
01:30:52,719 --> 01:30:54,400
» Okay.

2270
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,880
Anything else?

2271
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,679
>> So are is the ADR ready to recommend

2272
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:02,480
this to the council or um do you want to

2273
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:05,760
see it again? What um is your

2274
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:06,400
recommendation?

2275
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:07,120
>> I would be ready.

2276
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,400
>> I am ready. I'm ready. Yes.

2277
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,639
>> So all four of us are ready to recommend

2278
01:31:10,639 --> 01:31:12,639
it to the council. Okay. With that one

2279
01:31:12,639 --> 01:31:13,679
change that

2280
01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,360
>> with the change discuss.

2281
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:16,560
>> Yeah.

2282
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:17,120
Great.

2283
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:17,440
>> Great.

2284
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:20,870
>> Thank you.

2285
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:21,280
» Okay.

2286
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,068
I suggest we adjourn the meeting.

2287
01:31:23,068 --> 01:31:24,080
[laughter]

2288
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:24,800
>> Second.

2289
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:28,159
>> Third. Ajourn.