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Okay. Hello everyone. I am calling the

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special meeting of the Rosstown Council

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for Wednesday, August 26 to order.

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Town Manager Johnson, has the agenda

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been posted and are there any changes?

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>> Yes, Mayor, it has been posted. No,

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there are not changes. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Um, traditionally on a

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special agenda, we include at the

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beginning public comment, but I think it

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makes more sense to take public comment

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after item number four. So, the order

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will be the presentation by staff and

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Gendler. Council will ask questions,

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then we'll take public comment, then

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we'll bring it back to council for a

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discussion and input on future

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direction, and then we will adjourn.

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Okay. So with that, I will turn it over

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to number four, town council, to receive

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a presentation from Gendler regarding

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the validated civic center space

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program, confirm the proposed program

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and shared/common support spaces, and

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provide policy direction regarding

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planning scenarios to be included in the

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draft amended facilities master plan.

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Town manager Johnson,

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>> David Kelly, our project manager, will

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be giving the introduction this evening.

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Thank you.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Manager

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Johnson. Good evening, Mayor McMillan,

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Mayor Prom Robbins, honorable council

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members. I'm I'm uh David Kelly, your

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project manager. I'd just like to take a

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quick opportunity to introduce the

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Gendler team this evening. Uh sitting

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behind me and they're going to join here

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at the de in just a moment is our

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project manager Letha Zuber,

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our project director Manan Sha

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and our other Ginsler staff member Jake

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Gilund. So they will uh all three of

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them will be addressing you as part of

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the presentation to council this

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evening. Um but before turning the

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presentation over to Gendler, I'd just

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like to take a few minutes to explain

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and provide a little bit of background

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around the purpose of tonight's meeting.

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Um and particularly in how we arrived at

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this point in the process and address

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some of the questions that I think have

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been raised by members of the citizens

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advisory committee as well as members of

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the community. Uh I would like to

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certainly acknowledge the contributions

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to significant contributions of the

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citizens advisory committee uh and the

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work that they've contributed to over

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the past year. They've done a a

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tremendous amount of work in developing

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the civic center concept which

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ultimately the council adopted as part

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of your uh preferred planning

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alternative and gave direction to move

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forward to staff. Uh as as as council

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may recall, uh after accepting the CAC

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concept as the preferred planning

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direction, the council approved a

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professional services agreement with

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Gendler to prepare a facility master

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plan amendment. The schedule for that

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amendment process is 12 weeks. We are

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currently in in week three of the

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process. The purpose of that plan

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amendment is to validate and refine the CAC concept through what I'd like to

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refer to as a a very comprehensive

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planning process. Uh specifically,

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Gendzer was asked to undertake a number

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of tasks. Uh that included starting with

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and what you're going to hear tonight is

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validation of the departmental space

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program uh to uh also confirm

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operational requirements with uh town

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departments and to the extent that we

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were able to do to uh discuss with our

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partner agencies uh evaluate uh you know

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kind of as part of the future work

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evaluate say opportunities and

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constraints. We'll talk a little bit

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about that today and ultimately develop

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updated cost information and

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implementation strategies that will

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result in a draft amended facility plan

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and ultimately hopefully a final master

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plan that will uh be considered by

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council. Uh tonight's meeting, as you

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may recall, uh is one of three really uh

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special town council study sessions that

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were added to their scope of work to

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help provide for of course additional

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transparency, but also uh provide for

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council policy direction on key planning

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issues as we move through the process.

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Um at this stage, Ginsler is presenting

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the validated space program. Uh, in

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other words, they're confirming what

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functions need to be accommodated before

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developing alternatives showing how

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those functions might best fit on the

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civic center site. Um, in terms of the

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purpose of tonight's meeting, I just

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want to emphasize uh, you know, what this meeting is and what it is not.

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It's it it's it's it's not about

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selecting a preferred site plan. That's

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down the road. That'll be at one of your

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future study sessions. Uh it's not

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deciding um whether the town will or

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will not construct a fire station. It's

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not about changing the council's

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direction. Instead, it's really to

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confirm the deva the validated

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departmental space program, particularly

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where there's uh proposed shared and

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common support spaces and to provide

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policy direction regarding the planning

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assumptions that should be carried

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forward. We don't want to get too far

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along without your input. Uh in addition

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the this will allow Gendler to proceed

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with development of con conceptual

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blocking and stacking. Again that's

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going to be the presentation to come at

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one of your next study sessions. Um the the schedule as part of this will be

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reviewed with council tonight. You'll

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see that on one of the the slide decks.

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Uh those conceptual alternatives will return to council for discussion

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before you know any recommendation is is

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made regarding a preferred facility

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master plan. So, I just kind of want to

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set the stage for the discussion this

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evening. Um, also like to just talk a

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little bit about fire station

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programming and address one of the

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questions that I think has generated,

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you know, considerable discussion by way

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of public comment. Uh we we we've noted

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that several community members have

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expressed concern regarding the agenda

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reports reference to evaluating planning

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scenarios that include both a concept

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with without a fire station and a

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concept that preserves the opportunity

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for a future fire station. Uh again, I

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just want to emphasize that the

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evaluating planning alternatives does

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not predetermine council's ultimate

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decision in any way. It's again seeking

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your policy direction. Uh ultimately

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it's it's really a standard planning

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practice. It's intended to help you as

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decision makers understand the

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operational, physical and financial

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implications of different approaches uh

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before selecting, you know, a final

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preferred action. Ultimately, council

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retains the authority to determine the

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final facility master plan, whatever

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that may be. Um, another important point

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that I'd just like to share with council

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is, you know, is you'll see tonight a

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fire station program, uh, and and wonder

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how was that developed? Well, uh, for

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purposes of validating the space

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program, uh, Ginsler did not

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independently establish fire station

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requirements. Uh instead, Ginsler

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utilized the town's previous programming

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work that was prepared uh by Mary

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service model option that was a fire

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station that um included three

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which also uh housed and supported two

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personnel assigned to an ambulance along

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with uh one trainee per shift. a total

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of six people uh and reserve apparatus

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uh and again this was all programmed in

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an area of approximately 700 uh 7,600

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discussed in the uh presentation by

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Gensler tonight. um using the town's

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previously completed planning work

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provided a consistent and logical uh

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starting point for validating the

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program uh rather than creating a whole

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new set of assumptions about what's the

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square footage for a fire station.

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received a letter from me members of the the CAC expressing concerns about

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evaluating a a planning scenario without

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a fire station and suggesting an

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alternative approach for future fire

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service. And I think there's reference

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to uh a nearby fire facility. Uh

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specifically, the CAC suggests that a

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combined firefighter and paramedic

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facility will with shared living,

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kitchen, and support spaces similar to

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fire station may require substantially

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less square footage than the standalone

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evaluated by the town. As you will see

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from Gendler's presentation, they

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evaluated a facility that includes a

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host of shared functions, and that's

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part of the presentation tonight. Uh,

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one of the objectives of the master plan

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amendment is to provide the council with

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sufficient information to evaluate

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reasonable planning alternatives before

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selecting a preferred direction. So

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and there's a lot more to come. We are

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moving forward very aggressively within

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a aggressive timeline of 12 weeks.

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and this is opportunity for council to

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check in. Um, from a planning

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perspective, I I believe it is

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appropriate for Gendler to evaluate the

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operational the site planning and cost

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implications of different approach so

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that council can make an informed

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decision based on objective analysis

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rather than than just assumptions. It it

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certainly doesn't commit the council to

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any particular outcome. rather provides

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additional information that may help

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identify opportunities for greater

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efficiency while preserving future

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opses. Uh ultimately tonight's objective

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is not to determine the final

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configuration of the civic center. It's

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to confirm the validated space program,

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receive the council's policy direction,

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and provide Gendler with clear direction

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from the council as they begin

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alternatives. With that, I'd like to

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invite u uh both Letha Zuber and Manan

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uh up to the de and they're going to walk you through uh

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quite a bit of detailed slides and

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presentation on their their work to date

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>> Excuse me, mayor and council. I um

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if I need to, I'm going to get up and

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leave and go in my office. So, I'm not

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running away. I'm just going to be there

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so as not to distract you. Okay. Because

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of your cough, right? Thank you,

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Christa.

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>> Yeah, you I mean you could sit at the

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» All right, there we go. Yeah, it didn't

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sound like it was on before. Perfect. Uh

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good evening. Um thank you for your time

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this evening. We're uh very excited to

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be here to show our progress uh thus far

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on the project to date. Um, this is

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meeting one. So, this is really uh an

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opportunity for us to gain your insight,

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the collective insight of of the town

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and the community uh on some optionality

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that we're beginning to explore. And

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we'll try to do our best to share our

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thinking along the way and the things

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that have led us to some of the

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recommendations and decisions uh that

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we'll make. Uh Letha is going to walk us

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through a little bit of the agenda and

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the the information that we'll uh

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discuss and then Jake will walk through

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some of the planning options um that

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we'd like to get your feedback on in

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terms of how we could best utilize the

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site uh for the project. Um you know and again we understand that we're at

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the beginning here and we really kind of

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cherish the opportunity here to help

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build consensus uh amongst the community

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on the the preferred way to accommodate

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all the program on this site. So with

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that, Lita

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There we go. Um, good good evening and

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thank you for inviting us here. Um, I'm

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going to go through the project schedule

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initially. I'm not going to spend a lot

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of time on it. Um, but it it is quite

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detailed.

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Can go ahead and

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Oh, great. Yes. Sorry. So, what we're

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going to do, um, I I I actually want to

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start off by going through what we're

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going to discuss today and then what

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comes next. So, uh, today we're going to

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talk about the program. Thank you, uh,

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David for the very detailed description

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of what we're going to go through. Uh,

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we're going to talk a little bit about

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the program. We've spent the last three

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weeks validating the program and having

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meetings with Christa D um David uh

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Robera

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going through the detailed program from

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before and then you'll see that we have

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also validated back and forth with

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stakeholders have provided some comments

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and then we have

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allowed that what we get from that to

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then get us into what we call shared

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facilities, which is really a great way

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to button up the program. Um, you have

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multiple uh public safety facilities and

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then you have what we call civic

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facilities and they can share spaces.

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So, we were able to consolidate some of

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the program. So, we'll go through that a

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little bit as well. Then, we're going to

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go through today what we call the master

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plan optimization strategy. lot of

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words, but really this is now we're

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looking at the site and how we might

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configure that program in different ways

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on the site and and Jake will go through

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that with you

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after we leave here today and you've

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made some decisions. The next steps

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we're going to go through uh a parking

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and site um site circulation study. Uh

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we also have a too site survey that

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should be being performed any day now.

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Um they're going to put that site plan

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together and then they're also going to

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establish what we call the 100year flood

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plane that will help us as a design team

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figure out how we're going to lay out

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the site, what the possibilities are. Um

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we also the next phase that we're in uh

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right now and we're moving into is

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blocking and stacking. Uh that is where

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we're looking at the building more in

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elevation and in more three-dimensional

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how we configure things on the site and

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within each building structure. So we've

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got what we're discussing today and what

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we're going to be discussing um in the

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next few weeks.

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Okay. schedule.

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So this is a very and I apologize that

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this is so small but because we are

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working with 12 weeks we really want we

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every day is important and so we really

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have all every single day is on this

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schedule because we we want everyone to

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understand what the tasks are that we're

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going through. Uh what you see right now

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is um maybe a little bit crooked and

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those of you some of you have uh some paper in front of you but we have

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um designated like you see today where

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you see the green arrow and I'm not sure

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if this works but there we go the green

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arrow that's where we are today um

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giving this presentation town council

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meeting we will have two more uh

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presentations to town council after this

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meeting and we also O have meetings on

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the calendar. Uh the first one scheduled

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with CAC on September 2nd at 5:00 p.m.

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So you can take a look at this schedule.

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I don't want to deep dive into it

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because again it is 12 weeks long. Uh

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but this is where we are in the process

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right now. Once you take a look at the

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schedule, you'll see a little bit of the

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process that we're going to go through

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uh to to get to this uh amended uh

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master plan. Okay, I'm going to pass it

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on to Ma.

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» Good. So, as we start the process of of

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understanding how best to fit the

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program on the site, we went back to the

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facilities master plan program. uh we

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did not go back and redo the program

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ourselves. We we took that information

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and all the hard work and the dialogue

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that had happened with various

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departments took that spreadsheet and

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began to analyze it. Um and so within

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that program spreadsheet there was a net

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square footage number of 12,780

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ft uh that was indicated. Um, we went

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back through uh with David and Christa

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and refined that to some degree, asked

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some questions, got some feedback on uh

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minor modifications. In addition, uh, as

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David described, we took the Mary

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McGrath uh, program uh, for the fire

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department. Uh, so we included that uh,

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as part of the program and we did

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receive some comments from the fire

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chief. Um, as well, we also added a 30%

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gross factor. So what that means is the FMP program that was built was in

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net square footage. So it's really the

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interior dimensions of rooms. We added

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an additional 30% to accommodate um

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rooms like storage rooms or HVAC rooms,

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the thickness of walls, other things

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that happen, corridors, the things that

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are between um net spaces. And so

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traditionally, you know, uh 30% should

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be a good factor to then we call it

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grossing up the net program. So there's additional area that's required

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to to put all these functions in a

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building. So we included that. And then

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we also spent time and we'll have

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another slide that'll talk specifically

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about the strategies but looking at

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where within the program we could find

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some efficiencies between departments um

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and where we could begin to develop some

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sharing of program to help reduce the

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overall square footage of the program.

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So as it stands today the total program

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area that we are trying to accommodate

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on the site is gross square footage. So

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gross square footage includes this gross

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factor of additional space um at about

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22,000 square feet. Um and so that's

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what we're trying to accommodate on site

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um and what you'll see in our uh site

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plans as we move forward.

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So the way that we began to look at this

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shared facilities strategy and and I

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think today again we're not going to get

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into um you know 50 square feet here or

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100 square feet here. There's there's a

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lot of detail behind all of these

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numbers, but we wanted to talk generally

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about a strategy and then how that began

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to to show itself on site. So there's

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two groupings of program that are

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related but also could be seen as

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distinct. And so on one hand you have a series of program that are really

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public safety oriented. Fire department,

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the apparatus bay, the police station

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and paramedics all call for essential

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service uh level of facilities. all have

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specific special requirements and

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programmatic requirements associated

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with them. Um, distinct from that, you

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also have a series of uh administrative

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and civic um program elements. So,

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public works, the council chambers, uh

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the administration and HR, and the

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planning and building department. So,

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those programs we looked at somewhat

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independently of the two. and and you'll

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see um some optionality of of how best

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to mix or separate these programs to

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provide the right operational kind of

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efficiency within within uh the town's

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program. Hope that makes some sense, but

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I think it'll make a little bit more

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sense as we show you the diagrams on the

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site. Um but it's just a strategy of how

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to think about the two different groups

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that you have ultimately in your

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program.

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>> Go for it.

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>> All right. Thank you.

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So what we wanted to do is to take that

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program and start to apply it to the

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site so that we're really thinking how

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we can best utilize the area that we

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have, how we can uh really create uh a

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master plan, a civic master plan that

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feels uh a part of the town. Um so what

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we want to start with is just to start

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with the existing conditions and kind of

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set the stage for what we're working

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with. Um, so obviously we're looking at

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our full site here, uh, town hall, we're

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I'm standing right about there. Um, the

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public safety building in the middle.

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Um, and then the public works building,

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which based on this study, the

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assumption is that that building will be

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demolished.

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Um, so that kind of sets the scene of of

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where our starting point is.

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And so here we have the first kind of

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layout of those spaces and it's really

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the areas that we showed previously. Um

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the other component that we need to

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accommodate are nine affordable housing

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units on the site. And so you'll see in

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all of these diagrams that that is kind

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of placed in the same location that was

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uh done in the uh original master plan.

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We kind of think that that's still a

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really good spot for them. It makes a

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lot of sense. So what you see here is um

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how the programs start to uh uh lay

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themselves out on the site. Um the town

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of council chambers and the town hall

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program stays here um and that stays in

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as as part of the existing building. Um

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the next kind of and the baseline of

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really how we start to started to think

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about this is that all of these new

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programs or all of these uh other town

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programs are part of a singular building

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in the middle. And it's really uh uh the

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idea of keeping the existing building

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and doing additions to it in order to

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accommodate that program. And it might

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be a little hard to see, but you can see

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how that area really stacks up. So the

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existing area of that building is I

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8,400 ft. Um we would need to add an

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additional 11,300

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square ft in order to meet the overall

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program. And we have some pros and cons

544
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:37,919
on that, right? So pros of this is that

545
00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:39,600
we're putting everything in one

546
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:40,640
building. So, it's reducing the

547
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,480
footprint of the overall building and

548
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,559
allowing for circulation to work really

549
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,320
a lot easier on site, which is very

550
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,400
important for these types of programs.

551
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:49,600
The other thing that's really good about

552
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,440
this is that there's no impact to the

553
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,799
town hall building, right? We would be

554
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,120
able to keep it as it is.

555
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,679
The cons to kind of the baseline program

556
00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:01,280
here or the baseline strategy is that in

557
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,280
order to add kind of more than doubling

558
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,640
the square footage of the existing

559
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:06,960
building, we're looking at potentially

560
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,880
significant impacts, aesthetic impacts

561
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,120
to that building. Um that could be in

562
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,360
the form of having to go up potentially

563
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:16,159
a third floor. It could be um maybe

564
00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:17,919
making larger modifications to the

565
00:23:17,919 --> 00:23:21,520
existing building. And so it gives us uh

566
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,520
a little bit of pause and we wanted to

567
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,960
kind of think about how other ways that

568
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,520
we might be able to approach that.

569
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,240
The other thing this does is um you know

570
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,520
the the fire department program um being

571
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,159
brought onto site and and maybe

572
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:37,679
potentially being brought on in a future

573
00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:39,760
date. Um this kind of assumes that it

574
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,480
would be accounted for uh day one and so

575
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,480
there's kind of a less flexibility and I

576
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:45,600
think we started to look at how that

577
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,440
might be uh adjusted in some of these

578
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,080
other strategies. So the first one we

579
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:51,840
want to talk about is uh what we call

580
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,760
study one.

581
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,919
So this is an adjustment to that to try

582
00:23:55,919 --> 00:23:59,280
and solve some of those those ideas.

583
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,520
And we call this um study one which is

584
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,000
where all the uh administration program

585
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,720
can come into a new building where the

586
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,720
existing public works building is

587
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,000
currently sitting and we can kind of go

588
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,240
through the areas again. Uh for the town

589
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,919
hall the town hall program stays the

590
00:24:15,919 --> 00:24:17,520
same. the council chamber stays the

591
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,240
same. The uh public safety current

592
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,039
public safety building now has the fire

593
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:24,720
department, the police department,

594
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,440
paramedics, and those shared spaces. And

595
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,880
that um would require about 5,350

596
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,080
ft of addition to that building, which

597
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,840
we think is a little bit more achievable

598
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,600
in maintaining the existing building and

599
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,400
the character of it. Then what this is

600
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,919
saying is that it's actually with the

601
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:44,240
strategy of adding a kind of a third

602
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,080
building on the site which we're calling

603
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,679
the north building and that would be

604
00:24:47,679 --> 00:24:48,799
able to house the civic and

605
00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:51,520
administrative program uh public works

606
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,360
HR

607
00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,919
and what's really nice about that is it

608
00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:57,360
um starts to you remember when we were

609
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,960
talking about the kind of shared space

610
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,760
it still takes on that strategy of using

611
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,840
shared space to create uh better

612
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:05,919
efficiencies on the site. So, the pros

613
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:07,360
of this one, again, no impact to the

614
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,520
town hall building and the public safety

615
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,919
and administration programs are grouped

616
00:25:11,919 --> 00:25:14,880
uh together to shared space. The cons,

617
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,600
of course, um when we have public works,

618
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:18,880
depending on what's going on in the

619
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,039
workshop, may have an acoustic issue and

620
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,880
might need acoustic separation, which we

621
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,240
certainly could accommodate in a new

622
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,760
building.

623
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,400
Um the other thing is that by adding

624
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,000
this volume of building here, it starts

625
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,679
to potentially impact site circulation,

626
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:32,799
which is something we're going to study

627
00:25:32,799 --> 00:25:34,559
in the future. um but it could be

628
00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:35,760
something that makes it a little bit

629
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,279
more difficult to accommodate parking

630
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:39,840
and and some of the other circulation.

631
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,919
Now the other thing we found in this

632
00:25:41,919 --> 00:25:43,279
strategy that we think is really

633
00:25:43,279 --> 00:25:45,039
interesting is this next slide here

634
00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,120
which is how we could kind of accomplish

635
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,320
something uh with phasing. So in this

636
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,520
phasing diagram, the first phase could

637
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,039
really be um if or before the fire

638
00:25:57,039 --> 00:25:59,200
department program comes on site, you

639
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,880
can actually make modifications to the

640
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,799
existing building and how is the

641
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:05,200
administration and and civic program in

642
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,760
that renovated building. So day one,

643
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,279
there's not necessarily a fire

644
00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,720
department on site, but you're able to

645
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,159
make the modifications to that building

646
00:26:12,159 --> 00:26:14,240
that are needed and accommodate all of

647
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:15,760
our program that's that we're looking

648
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,480
for. And then when it comes to phase

649
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,120
two, what happens is all of these other

650
00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:23,279
programs, these uh administration and

651
00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:24,720
civic programs could go to the new

652
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,480
building and then the fire department

653
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,880
could come into the existing building.

654
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,960
So that gives a lot of flexibility if

655
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,480
fire the fire department wants to come

656
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,279
on in a later date. That gives you that

657
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:36,880
flexibility of doing that at a later

658
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,039
time. But a lot of that work has already

659
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:41,120
been done to to improve that existing

660
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,279
building.

661
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:46,320
So the next study that we have can this

662
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,240
phasing concept can work exactly the

663
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:49,840
same way. This is just looking at maybe

664
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,279
how these programs might want to find

665
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:52,480
themselves on the site in a little

666
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,360
different way. So here what we've done

667
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:57,520
is we've started to come up with the

668
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,480
idea that maybe in addition to this

669
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,080
building, the town hall building would

670
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,880
actually be really beneficial and it

671
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,600
could be where the current uh uh

672
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,760
portable building is right now and it

673
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,559
could accommodate the administration HR

674
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,640
planning and building and actually be

675
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,559
potentially connected or at least close

676
00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,400
proximity to this building. So really

677
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,600
what we're doing when we were going back

678
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,159
to those two big bubbles now we've

679
00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:23,679
really been able to collect those

680
00:27:23,679 --> 00:27:25,200
programs together to create those

681
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,919
efficiencies that we're looking for.

682
00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:30,000
The public safety building remains the

683
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,640
same um the same amount of additional

684
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,760
square footage that would need to be

685
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,320
added from the study one. So it has the

686
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,600
fire department, police department and

687
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,840
paramedic program. And then here we're

688
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840
also looking at keeping the public works

689
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,200
kind of in the same location that they

690
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,120
are now. And that allows for layown area

691
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,120
to be adjacent to the building. you

692
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,120
know, all the all the program that they

693
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,640
need and space that they need. It allows

694
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,919
for that um to have a home. So, the pros

695
00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:55,679
of this is, you know, town hall planning

696
00:27:55,679 --> 00:27:57,120
and building administration program,

697
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:59,120
they're all coll-located

698
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:01,200
um on the on the south side of the site

699
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,640
here. Public works gets that separation.

700
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,880
Again, we would be, you know, having to

701
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,480
have a more constrained site by adding

702
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,399
another building volume there. But we

703
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:11,919
think that there's uh there's definitely

704
00:28:11,919 --> 00:28:14,240
a benefit um and an opportunity to still

705
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,399
be able to work with circulation and

706
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:18,480
parking as needed.

707
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,919
There's another, you know, potential

708
00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:21,440
cost impact for multiple buildings.

709
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,320
That's something we would want to

710
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,840
evaluate. Um and then also, you know,

711
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:27,679
obviously this building has its own

712
00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:29,760
history that we want to maintain. And so

713
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,080
the impact to the town hall building um

714
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:34,720
if an if an addition is uh added, we'd

715
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,679
want to make sure we're being

716
00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:38,559
architecturally uh thoughtful.

717
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:39,520
>> Yep.

718
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,360
>> Just a couple of more points on cost.

719
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,600
One of the benefits of splitting the

720
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,440
administrative program out of the public

721
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,039
safety building is that you're not then

722
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,120
having to put the essential service

723
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,960
additional structural requirements on

724
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,559
that building. So that building's less

725
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,320
expensive to build and you're not

726
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,919
spending that enhanced structure on a

727
00:28:55,919 --> 00:28:57,279
larger building. So that's one of the

728
00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,000
benefits of pulling that program out.

729
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,600
The other thing that this phasing

730
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,200
strategy allows us to do is to spend a

731
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,720
little bit more time right sizing the

732
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:07,840
size of the fire department. I know

733
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,039
there's some debate about whether this

734
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:10,480
needs to be a smaller station or a

735
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,880
larger station. And so as you think

736
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,880
about phasing, you're accommodating the

737
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,159
administrative functions in the building

738
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:18,480
on day one. As you rightsize the

739
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,000
program, you can build the right size of

740
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,080
next building based on where the fire

741
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,360
department ends up in terms of their

742
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,120
total program. and needs in that

743
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,360
building. So you can scale the size of

744
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,720
that second uh second building uh based

745
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,679
on this.

746
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:38,799
>> Great. And so uh I think this is just a

747
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,120
summary of the the strategies. So the

748
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,200
baseline strategy where all public

749
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,960
safety and administration building in uh

750
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,919
admin program in one building. Um and

751
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,240
then the two other options where we pull

752
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,520
the admin uh civic program off to either

753
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,070
an addition or to another building.

754
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,080
The uh the last site plan we wanted to

755
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080
show was the potential of uh what would

756
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,840
happen if there was no firehouse program

757
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,640
on the site. Um so here what we would

758
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,840
recommend is um again keeping the town

759
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,880
hall and keeping that uh program as it

760
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,840
is. Um and then being able to locate all

761
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,240
of the uh admin and civic program along

762
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,039
with paramedics and police in the uh

763
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,960
public safety building that would

764
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,720
require slightly I believe a slightly

765
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,679
larger um addition to the gross floor

766
00:30:27,679 --> 00:30:30,480
area um but still something that we

767
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,240
think would be manageable. And then here

768
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,240
again we're showing um the public works

769
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,679
program being part of its own separate

770
00:30:35,679 --> 00:30:38,559
building. Um and so I think the last

771
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:41,679
slide is just a summary of all of or the

772
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:44,080
sorry it does not include the baseline.

773
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,919
We kind of are recommending maybe we

774
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:47,520
move away from the baseline option and

775
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,760
look at study one or study two and then

776
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,399
also the site plan with uh the without

777
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:58,149
the fire department.

778
00:30:58,159 --> 00:31:00,559
» Yeah. or or I think if we want to pursue

779
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,000
the baseline option, we have to think

780
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,399
about ways to to reduce the total amount

781
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,080
of program in the building. I think

782
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:07,840
that's fundamentally there's a lot of

783
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,960
program in the 22,000 square ft to fit

784
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,640
via an addition on the existing

785
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,279
building. So

786
00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,520
I think that's that's the end of our

787
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,520
presentation and I'll go ahead and leave

788
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:20,240
that.

789
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,399
>> Yeah. And so we're available for

790
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:25,279
questions if you have any.

791
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,000
>> Thank you. That was really helpful.

792
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Um, I just have one question to start

793
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,120
out. Um, if all the services were in the

794
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,279
same building, what kind of magnitude

795
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,640
would the cost be to make the I assume

796
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,159
it the whole building would have to be

797
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:44,559
an essential services act building. So,

798
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,000
what kind of magnitude are you talking

799
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:52,310
about costwise just a general?

800
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,120
» That's a it's that's a difficult

801
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,200
question I think to answer. Um, I think

802
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,039
we have to, what we don't have is a

803
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:00,720
great solution for how we would exactly

804
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,240
accommodate all the program in the

805
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,240
building because you'd either go up to a

806
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:08,080
third story, which is possible, or you

807
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
could extend the building horizontally,

808
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,399
but that's beginning to impact our

809
00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:14,399
ability to have circulation, or it would

810
00:32:14,399 --> 00:32:16,960
come all the way out um to the street,

811
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,720
which we also don't. We want to maintain

812
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,279
the historic facade and the character of

813
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:26,320
that that architecture there. Um, and so

814
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,640
I I think once we once we determined how

815
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,440
to do that, we could get to a better um

816
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,640
understanding, but you know, an

817
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960
essential service building

818
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,960
um

819
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,159
can be 30 to 40% more expensive um

820
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:42,399
because of the enhanced seismic

821
00:32:42,399 --> 00:32:43,840
requirements of foundation. And then

822
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,200
when you're talking about renovating a

823
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,880
building, it gets more expensive because

824
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,519
you're doing more difficult foundation

825
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,480
work uh in an existing building. So it's

826
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,679
a significant cost premium I think um on

827
00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:58,320
the additional space and if you go to a

828
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,200
third story or something then your

829
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,760
seismic becomes that much harder because

830
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,000
you're more vertical with the

831
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,039
construction. So it's it's a significant

832
00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:10,960
order of magnitude.

833
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,679
>> Other questions?

834
00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:16,159
>> I I didn't understand you said something

835
00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:18,159
about reverting to the baseline program.

836
00:33:18,159 --> 00:33:20,159
What what is baseline? I don't see

837
00:33:20,159 --> 00:33:21,840
baseline here.

838
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,640
>> Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, okay. So,

839
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,720
the the baseline is essentially I think

840
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,200
where we all started the the thought

841
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,559
process with the project, which is

842
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,039
>> So, the CAC plan is the baseline.

843
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:35,519
>> The CAC plan did not have the same sized

844
00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:38,799
fire department program um in the So,

845
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,880
this is it's a modification of the CAC.

846
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,200
It's it's taking the full program that

847
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,159
we developed and putting it all into one

848
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,840
building. Yeah. which is an expansion of

849
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,840
the CAC program. Um

850
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,480
>> and so

851
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960
>> but that that baseline is not an option.

852
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:55,360
Whatever

853
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,919
>> the baseline is not an op again the

854
00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:01,200
baseline is an option. Um it's it's one

855
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,399
that we feel is more difficult unless we

856
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:07,279
reduce the program.

857
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:10,720
>> And you know I I know at one point it

858
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,119
seemed like a lot of the program it was

859
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:14,879
everyone's wish list but maybe it could

860
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:17,359
be reduced. Is is that a possibility to

861
00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:20,800
reduce some things to make it fit?

862
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,599
>> It is a possibility to reduce program. I

863
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,359
think that that again we did not do

864
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:27,119
departmental interviews and and have the

865
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:29,520
direct conversations with the various

866
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,359
departments. And so we're relying on the

867
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:33,599
information of that work that was done

868
00:34:33,599 --> 00:34:37,440
previously. Um and so you know the

869
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,280
nuance of of trying to reduce all that

870
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:40,639
program is something that I think we'll

871
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,560
have to we would have to dig into.

872
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:49,200
And then the um study one is doesn't

873
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,679
have a fire station up front. It phases

874
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,480
the buildings in. Is that correct?

875
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,040
>> Study one does have a fire station. Um

876
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,119
fire station is is in the public safety

877
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,839
building. It gives you the opportunity

878
00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:05,839
to in the phasing plan build all the

879
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:09,280
requirements for the fire station.

880
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,839
If you if if it's not funded yet and

881
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:13,599
fire department's not on site yet, then

882
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:15,200
you can keep all the administrative

883
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,960
functions inside that building, it'll

884
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520
fit. And then when that funding is

885
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,839
secured, then you can move build the

886
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:22,960
second building and move all that

887
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,480
program out and then accommodate the

888
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,240
fire department in the building that's

889
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:27,680
already built and constructed. So you're

890
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,119
not doing a second round of of

891
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:29,839
renovation.

892
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,280
>> So there's space, but it's not actually

893
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,599
intended to be used as a fire station

894
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,000
until a whole separate phase.

895
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,800
>> Correct.

896
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,920
>> Okay. Um,

897
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,800
and then study two,

898
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,520
uh, is the one where you've added

899
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,400
administration to the current town hall.

900
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:48,720
>> Correct.

901
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,960
>> And then kept all of the public works in

902
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,800
the existing building.

903
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,720
>> We're recommending rebuilding that

904
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,079
>> not public works, but all of the public

905
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:57,119
safety.

906
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,520
>> Correct. Correct. It's a it's a it's a

907
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,599
variant of the same idea which is the

908
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:03,680
public safety sits in the existing

909
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,599
building and you either put the

910
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,920
administrative functions adjacent to

911
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,240
this property or on top of a public

912
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,480
works building um on the north end of

913
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,670
the site.

914
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,400
And this also allows you a phasing

915
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,920
strategy

916
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,839
uh the same phasing opportunity in terms

917
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:24,320
of of renovating the public safety

918
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,760
building including the administrative

919
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,720
space and then determining if if the

920
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:30,320
fire station funding and all of that

921
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,960
occurs then you build the administrative

922
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,680
building when that's secured and you can

923
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,119
move fire in.

924
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,000
>> So I I'm not quite sure why why are we

925
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,760
talking about phasing? Isn't it more

926
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,920
less expensive to build everything up

927
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:48,310
front all at once?

928
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,079
It is less expensive to build everything

929
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,760
all up at all at once. Absolutely. Um we

930
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,720
were asked to look at phasing as as part

931
00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,359
of the options for the for the project.

932
00:36:59,359 --> 00:37:00,480
Um

933
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:00,800
>> okay.

934
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,240
>> You know, our understanding is just that

935
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:03,760
there that there's some uncertainty

936
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,760
around the fire department, but again,

937
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,599
you you know,

938
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,000
>> yeah,

939
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,040
>> you'll know that better than my myself.

940
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:11,680
>> Thank you.

941
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,640
>> Yeah.

942
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,040
Well, it seems like one of the

943
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,960
questions here is just how much space

944
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,480
would be required for the fire

945
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,280
department. At what point is that

946
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,000
considered and what would the process be

947
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,000
to consider that and is that a question

948
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,400
that comes back to the council at some

949
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,119
point?

950
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,760
>> It it's a really good question. Um I

951
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,119
think David tried to address a little

952
00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,839
bit at the beginning that we have we

953
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:40,960
were given the prior uh Mary McGrath

954
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,680
who's a an architect that that does do

955
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:45,839
fire stations had developed a program

956
00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:49,359
that was reviewed by uh the fire chief.

957
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:53,280
Um and so we were given that as the

958
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,280
desire for this station. Now there are

959
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,680
other models for fire service and I

960
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,760
think what we would what if you wanted

961
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,599
to shrink this this would be a really an

962
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:05,119
operational dialogue with the fire

963
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,280
department in terms of how they plan on

964
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,359
using this what specific requirements

965
00:38:09,359 --> 00:38:11,280
they would have in that alternate model

966
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,880
of of of service. Um and then once we

967
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,640
determine that then you could reduce the

968
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,720
station. So there are are other models

969
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:22,079
of of fire service. Um,

970
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:24,000
>> but is that a discussion that would be

971
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,920
between your firm and the fire

972
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,760
department? Absolutely. Could be. I've

973
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,520
done a number of Yeah, I've done half a

974
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:30,880
dozen fire stations. So, yeah,

975
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,480
absolutely could help.

976
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,880
>> I was just I'm curious, how different is

977
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,160
this going to look from the uh beautiful

978
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,320
design that all of us loved several

979
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,480
months ago? How different will this

980
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:45,280
look?

981
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:45,839
>> Love it.

982
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:48,079
>> Yeah. I mean, I think in these studies,

983
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:51,040
study one and study two, the public

984
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,200
safety building it and its amount of

985
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,440
addition is very similar to the amount

986
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,240
of addition that the CAC presented. Um,

987
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,160
the variation here is that we're looking

988
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,119
at additions to other parts of the site,

989
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:03,440
right?

990
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:04,800
>> Um, you know, the way that we would

991
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,560
treat an addition to the town hall

992
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,079
building would be very respectful of the

993
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,079
architecture as well. Um, that would be

994
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,640
a singlestory addition. Um, it could

995
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,640
certainly fit within the same style of

996
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,560
architecture. um and I think would

997
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:17,599
actually be a compliment to the

998
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:18,960
building. Same thing could happen with

999
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,599
the public works building as well.

1000
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,160
>> I have another question and that is the

1001
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,119
um the building to the right for the

1002
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:28,640
housing

1003
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,480
>> um you've pushed it off to the very edge

1004
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
is is that to be a problem?

1005
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,720
>> So we've been we are trying to um keep

1006
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:41,839
the setbacks as required when um dealing

1007
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:44,240
with multif family housing. Um, right

1008
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:46,320
now that's kind of an additional part of

1009
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,760
the it's not actually part of our

1010
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,760
program right now. Um, and so what

1011
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,920
that's been sized is is about for for

1012
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,680
the nine units that are required.

1013
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,000
>> And we and we we we did move it over as

1014
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,920
you note. Um, and that's really to allow

1015
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:02,320
for the public works and the and program

1016
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,480
and the yard to remain essentially where

1017
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,599
it is. We we sort of believe given its

1018
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:09,359
use and nature that that's a good

1019
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:11,040
location on site

1020
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,760
>> for that program and so to keep it there

1021
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,079
sort of pushes the the housing over. I

1022
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,920
think you know as we study this further

1023
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,000
we can make sure that that that can

1024
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,760
remain an independent parcel for

1025
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,440
somebody to develop in the future which

1026
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:24,960
I know is the intent.

1027
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,079
>> I have one more question. Does the uh

1028
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,720
this spacing does this give you some

1029
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,560
concern about entry into the area,

1030
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,440
parking into the area? You've got more

1031
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,400
land use, so there's less. Is that a

1032
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,920
problem? Is that

1033
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,200
>> I'm not sure that it's a problem. We

1034
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
certainly have concerns. um the site's

1035
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,119
constrained and so there's going to be

1036
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:51,359
some magic in terms of getting all the emergency vehicle circulation to

1037
00:40:51,359 --> 00:40:52,720
work as well as the parking program

1038
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:54,800
which is rather robust

1039
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,160
>> um to fit.

1040
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:56,480
>> Okay.

1041
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,280
>> And so that's that's a you know solve

1042
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,599
this variable first and then attack the

1043
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:04,319
second variable as well and they'll both interface with each other

1044
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:06,800
but yeah site circulation and parking

1045
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,280
will be a you know it'll be a challenge

1046
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:09,839
on the site.

1047
00:41:09,839 --> 00:41:11,599
>> Yeah. Especially with the people who

1048
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:12,960
live in the housing too.

1049
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,880
>> Yes. Yeah. No, it's it's it it won't be

1050
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,079
an easy um solution, but we'll

1051
00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:18,880
>> Okay, thank you.

1052
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,630
>> We'll work the problem.

1053
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,160
» So,

1054
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,240
the first thing that I wanted to

1055
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:28,720
acknowledge is are you aware that we we

1056
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,280
had an operational fire station working

1057
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,319
in this building?

1058
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:32,800
>> Yes.

1059
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,839
>> With the police and the paramedics?

1060
00:41:35,839 --> 00:41:36,480
>> Yes.

1061
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,599
>> Okay. So, what I'm finding a surprise

1062
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,920
here is that you're saying that the fire

1063
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,359
department needs 3,400 square feet

1064
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:48,160
and we have just reconstructed Sleepy

1065
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,400
Hollow in our department and it's 2400

1066
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,359
ft with 400 square ft of a shared gym.

1067
00:41:53,359 --> 00:41:53,839
>> Yeah.

1068
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:56,319
>> So, how is it that Sleepy Hollow only

1069
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,400
needs 2,000 square feet, but we need

1070
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,960
3,400?

1071
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:02,800
>> Yeah, please Kristen. Yeah,

1072
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,319
>> thank you, Council Member Salter. I can

1073
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:05,760
answer that question. The Sleepy Hollow

1074
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,800
station has um room for three

1075
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,640
firefighters.

1076
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,160
Our facility needs to have if you for

1077
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,319
fire and paramedics would need to have

1078
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,800
three square footage. There's paramedics

1079
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,680
atif at 1,900,500

1080
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,400
of shared apparatus 3,100 and then the

1081
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,480
police station 3,800. Mhm.

1082
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,319
>> So, what I would like to know is that,

1083
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:31,760
you know, sometimes if I go to my kids

1084
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,920
and I go to the candy store and I say,

1085
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,520
"How much candy do you want for

1086
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,359
Halloween?" or on Halloween night,

1087
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,040
you're you get a huge bag of candy and

1088
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,079
they want it all.

1089
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:40,560
>> Right?

1090
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,079
>> But, you know, we have to approach this

1091
00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,040
practically. So, I think that Sleepy

1092
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,599
Hollows and Fairfax said, "This is the

1093
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,520
size of the building we have.

1094
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,760
>> This is what we can build within it."

1095
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,319
But the this plan looks like we went and

1096
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:00,640
took all these inputs from a very old

1097
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,400
study and said, "Oh, we have to build it

1098
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,880
this way."

1099
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,880
So, let me ask you, in your other

1100
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,119
projects you were working on, did you

1101
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,960
interview the the heads of the

1102
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,720
departments? Did you work within

1103
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,040
constraints of budget and size and

1104
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,800
space, or do you just go to the

1105
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:17,920
department heads and then whatever

1106
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:19,440
square footage they they want, you

1107
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,839
build?

1108
00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:25,599
>> Um, it's it's a back and forth. Um I

1109
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,400
think that that departmental interviews

1110
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:29,839
working with the departments is always a

1111
00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:33,040
part of of of a normal process and um

1112
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,880
again I think we're stepping in and

1113
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,720
inheriting somebody else's work that has

1114
00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:38,640
done that work and you know we're sort

1115
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,839
of taking that um a little bit

1116
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:43,680
>> want to do that if I mean I I don't know

1117
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,040
>> well I think to solve this problem that

1118
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,359
you're asking it's it's a solution which

1119
00:43:47,359 --> 00:43:50,079
is if if if the goal is to work within

1120
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:51,839
the constraints of the existing building

1121
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:54,960
and find a way to accommodate fire as

1122
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,359
the baseline option, then there's a

1123
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:59,599
dialogue in terms of fire operations

1124
00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:00,880
that needs to happen with the

1125
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:01,440
department.

1126
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,200
>> Yeah. And what about police? Why is why

1127
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,119
is the the fire department only 34

1128
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,200
3,400, but we need a police station for

1129
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,480
3,800?

1130
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,400
>> And I mean, if we're a small town here,

1131
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,680
we've got two two officers on duty and

1132
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,599
the chief sometimes. So,

1133
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:17,119
>> why does the police station have to be

1134
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:19,520
3,800 ft?

1135
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,520
>> Yeah. No, again, you're you're asking

1136
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,280
questions that that I understand why

1137
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,720
you're asking them, but I I do think

1138
00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:28,640
that there's um that is dialogue that

1139
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,520
can happen to say, "Hey, we'd like to

1140
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,040
squeeze the department. You know, we've

1141
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,640
got constraints relative to the building

1142
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,720
and and you know, we need to reduce the

1143
00:44:36,720 --> 00:44:38,800
program. How can we do that and still

1144
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,560
maintain your operations, right, within

1145
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,160
some constraints?" And

1146
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,319
>> and to be very crystal clear, the Mary

1147
00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:46,720
McGrath numbers you took was for a

1148
00:44:46,720 --> 00:44:48,319
separate building, correct? for a

1149
00:44:48,319 --> 00:44:49,839
standalone that you were just putting

1150
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:51,680
those requirements here

1151
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,440
>> because what I think we all need to

1152
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,040
acknowledge is that everything was

1153
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,680
operating in 2025 here. We actually did

1154
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,680
it on this site in this even more

1155
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,839
constrained than what you know you're

1156
00:45:01,839 --> 00:45:03,359
saying the existing square footage is

1157
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:05,920
8,400 but you're saying we should move

1158
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,960
to 13,000 square feet quite a big big

1159
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,839
additions but we were operating with all

1160
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,079
these departments here in 2025

1161
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,200
>> we did only have two people to an engine

1162
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:17,920
before

1163
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,160
>> okay so we're adding one extra person

1164
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,839
>> well you need sleep and

1165
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,400
>> so there's a bedroom but and maybe some

1166
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,400
locker space but I I I just we need to

1167
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,720
be very what I want to make clear in

1168
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,480
this project. I'm sorry they just handed

1169
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,240
you all these things and said just use

1170
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:34,560
what was previously done but the goal

1171
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,760
here is to create a beautiful facility

1172
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,920
that fits our town that fits within the

1173
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,440
constraints that we have which include

1174
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,920
our budget which not an unlimited budget

1175
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,520
>> and I think that's a really important

1176
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,119
consideration that has seems to have

1177
00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,200
been overlooked in this process.

1178
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:50,640
>> We're going to we're doing questions

1179
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:51,680
right now.

1180
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,520
>> So that was a question

1181
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,040
>> that wasn't a question. I' I'd like to

1182
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,400
respond to council member Salter. So, um

1183
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,520
the council, you are the ones that

1184
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:05,839
directed us to have this done by the end

1185
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:07,599
of October.

1186
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:11,760
Gendler has come up with the 12 weeks.

1187
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,119
And so, there are things that you're

1188
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,480
going to get out of this and things that

1189
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,839
you're not. So if you would like to have

1190
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:20,960
uh we we can we can add more weeks work

1191
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,960
with Gendler to add to their scope of

1192
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,720
work so that we can delve more deeply

1193
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:30,880
into um into the programming needs. We

1194
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:31,920
can do that.

1195
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,480
>> Great.

1196
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,000
>> But you're not going to get it right now

1197
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,839
on the 12week schedule.

1198
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:39,440
>> I I I'm not asking that we

1199
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,000
>> Yes, you are.

1200
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,760
>> No, I'm I'm asking us to do the project

1201
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:42,560
right.

1202
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:44,400
>> That's what I'm asking us to do. Let me

1203
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,920
step in here because this seems to

1204
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,200
happen every meeting. Let's not

1205
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,480
interrupt each other. Our rules are

1206
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,319
really clear on that. This town manager

1207
00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:51,839
had the floor when she's done. You can

1208
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:53,359
have the floor back at the mayor

1209
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:54,880
recognizes you. Let's try to keep the

1210
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,000
order as our rules intended.

1211
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,040
>> So, thank you, town attorney. So, we we

1212
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,440
can absolutely um have a a you know, a

1213
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,280
standalone study session with the

1214
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,800
council. We can go through I mean, we

1215
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:10,880
have our police chief here. He is

1216
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,160
absolutely can talk to the council about

1217
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,760
any of your questions. You know, why

1218
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,280
does he why does the police department

1219
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,000
need this space? Why do need that space?

1220
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,280
But Gendler in their in their 12 weeks

1221
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,800
that the council insisted upon. This is

1222
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,040
the this is what they do. They they took

1223
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,040
what the town has already paid to have

1224
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,119
done and this is what they're coming up

1225
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,359
with. So if the majority of the council

1226
00:47:35,359 --> 00:47:37,680
would like to provide direction to do

1227
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,359
that,

1228
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:40,880
that's something that we can come back

1229
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,720
with, but it will it will extend the the

1230
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,240
timeline.

1231
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:47,839
>> Okay. I have one last question, which is

1232
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:50,160
the apparatus bays. Are you assuming

1233
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,319
we're keeping those apparatus bays that

1234
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:53,520
we have?

1235
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:54,960
>> We are assuming that we're going to

1236
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,720
modify those apparatus bays

1237
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:58,240
>> in in what way?

1238
00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,920
>> Uh we haven't determined that entirely,

1239
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,359
but we do need more space in the

1240
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:02,880
apparatus space. So we'll probably

1241
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,280
extend them,

1242
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:05,520
>> you know,

1243
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,480
>> to make them longer.

1244
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,400
>> Yeah, we'll we'll certainly need to make

1245
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,240
them longer to accommodate all the

1246
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:11,920
apparatus. So we we need to determine

1247
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,040
exactly we we have the the requirements

1248
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:16,880
now from the departments in terms of the

1249
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,640
vehicles that'll be there and then we'll

1250
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,040
as we look at turning and how vehicles

1251
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,720
are going to move in and out of of the

1252
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,200
site. We have to see which vehicles can

1253
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,720
drive through, which ones can back in

1254
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,119
and and determine how big of an

1255
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,240
extension we need to make to the

1256
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:32,160
apparatus bay. But we expect it to be

1257
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,680
modified significantly.

1258
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:35,599
>> Sorry. And can you explain why? Because

1259
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,520
again, we had the fire trucks in there

1260
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:39,200
in 2025. So what what's

1261
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,200
>> I don't know what like it to be honest,

1262
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,119
I don't know what compromises the the

1263
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:45,839
various departments dealt with when they

1264
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:47,520
were previously in that building. That's

1265
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,680
hard for me to assess. And so again,

1266
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,359
when we're trying to plan for a new

1267
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:55,200
station, we're trying to um meet their

1268
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:59,920
operational requirements a little bit in a you know, you're starting a fresh

1269
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,160
in a new. We didn't put a constraint

1270
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,079
lens on it. And again, we can put a

1271
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:05,839
constrained lens on it and say this is

1272
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:07,520
all we have in terms of space. How do we

1273
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,440
best utilize it? It's a slightly

1274
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,440
different approach to the to the to the

1275
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,559
question. Valid, but that's just not how

1276
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,880
we've begun this process.

1277
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:17,680
>> Okay. Thank you.

1278
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,880
>> Yep.

1279
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,040
So I I'd like to just expand on that is

1280
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,599
that um so the current bays were built

1281
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,559
in the 90s and the standards for fire

1282
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,599
engines and fire equipment and um

1283
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:32,400
decontamination areas those have all lot

1284
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,319
there's been a lot of new standards that

1285
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:36,960
have come into place since the '9s when

1286
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,040
that when those bays were constructed.

1287
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,520
So Mary McGrath who prepared and it it

1288
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,839
wasn't a long time ago. She did it in

1289
00:49:43,839 --> 00:49:46,240
late December and presented as part of

1290
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,760
the election code report that was

1291
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,760
presented to the council on January 8th,

1292
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,280
2026.

1293
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:55,839
So um those she she prepared the space

1294
00:49:55,839 --> 00:49:57,839
um the specifications

1295
00:49:57,839 --> 00:50:00,960
according to current um standards for

1296
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,119
fire stations.

1297
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,839
>> But didn't Sleepy Sleepy Hollow did not

1298
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:08,480
uh destroy their bays? they kept their

1299
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,880
bays when they redid the uh and their bays were from the same era and

1300
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,800
the same size. So, I just want to be

1301
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,040
very clear they there are actual

1302
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:18,720
projects going on in the Ros Valley Fire

1303
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,800
Department where they didn't demolish

1304
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,480
the bays. They didn't expand the bays.

1305
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,960
They kept the bays as they were and they

1306
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,800
used them today in their project. They

1307
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,800
only eliminated the residential and

1308
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,040
redid the residential because they used

1309
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,520
the constraints that they had. And so I

1310
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,280
really encourage us in this process to

1311
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,119
realize it's not an unlimited wealth of

1312
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,200
money to take everything to the best

1313
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,040
highest standards and that we're trying

1314
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,200
to accommodate what the town needs

1315
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,160
versus what maybe some consultant thinks

1316
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,160
it should be.

1317
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,559
>> And I just want to follow up on the bays

1318
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:53,200
and maybe this is premature um given

1319
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,880
your timeline um but have you considered

1320
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,800
whether the bays need to be elevated out

1321
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,280
of the flood plane?

1322
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,920
Uh we have not evaluated that yet. Um we

1323
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,200
are waiting for the survey and the

1324
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:06,800
determination of where the 100 foot

1325
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,680
flood plane is. Um and as we look at

1326
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,720
modifying the bay, we can look at that

1327
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,760
as as a potential alternative um to to

1328
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,520
raising them. Obviously, there is there

1329
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,760
is some variety of flood plane issues

1330
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,440
that we know will be present there. And

1331
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:27,040
so if we're able to grade the site and raise the building to deal with

1332
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,480
that, then that's something we can

1333
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,520
consider. Um, so we we need a little bit

1334
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,079
more information um from the civil

1335
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:35,680
engineer to to answer that question

1336
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,599
which is coming.

1337
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,359
>> So I know tonight is our opportunity to

1338
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:43,520
give you input and feedback.

1339
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:44,240
>> Yes.

1340
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:47,440
>> But I would like to know what your

1341
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,680
which of these of these plans which do

1342
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,480
you think is the best one based on the

1343
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,990
assumptions that you've been using?

1344
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,760
And we can all kind of we we haven't nec

1345
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,240
but but I I do think that the ability to

1346
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:04,319
phase oh go ahead Lea you want to

1347
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:11,040
>> sorry as the project manager. Um so what I will say is that um you know you

1348
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,280
can ask the designer what is our

1349
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,680
favorite but we are just in the

1350
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,000
beginning stages of evaluating the site.

1351
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,599
What I want to make sure that everyone

1352
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,160
understands is that we do not have the

1353
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,640
topo survey yet. We do not know where

1354
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,280
the 100redyear flood plane lies. And

1355
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,240
this is going to be very important. So

1356
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:32,319
we can give you what our favorite is,

1357
00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:34,079
but it could be totally different the

1358
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,400
next time we come in front of you. So I

1359
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,079
just a reminder.

1360
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:43,119
>> No, that's it's it's a good reminder. Um

1361
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:46,960
yeah, I again I I I think

1362
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,680
the given the program again we're gonna

1363
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,280
start with the process that we're we're

1364
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:52,800
in the middle of right now or at the

1365
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,040
beginnings of uh which is the program

1366
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,160
and and if if that's the given program

1367
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,480
my feeling is that the ability to phase

1368
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,240
the construction gives you some

1369
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,880
flexibility as you move forward. Um, and

1370
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,200
so the options where we peel out the

1371
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,599
administrative building either to

1372
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:10,800
something that's combined with public

1373
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,040
works or as an addition to this gives

1374
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,319
you some flexibility and allows us to

1375
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:19,680
um, you know, potentially save some

1376
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,160
money in the construction of of the the

1377
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,359
administrative building because it's not

1378
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,920
essential service and it gives you some

1379
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,400
of that flexibility. Now, if we took a

1380
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,160
different process and were able to work

1381
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:32,160
to a constraint,

1382
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,760
you know, then then you might arrive at

1383
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:35,520
a different scenario because it is going

1384
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,079
to be cheaper to build it all at once.

1385
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,839
Um, and so, you know, it's an imperfect

1386
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:44,480
answer. I apologize.

1387
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,079
>> I don't know if you've got a different

1388
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:48,319
thought. I agree.

1389
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:51,200
>> Okay. So, let me just ask you tonight,

1390
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,720
what exact feedback do you want from us?

1391
00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,559
I mean, I think this this fundamental

1392
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:00,800
question um you know that that council

1393
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,280
member uh Salter is is asking is an

1394
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,599
important one for us to determine is is

1395
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:09,040
whether or not we are trying to fit as

1396
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,359
much program as possible for every

1397
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:14,240
department in the existing public safety

1398
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:17,280
building with the minimal amount of

1399
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,599
modification that's you know that that's

1400
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,000
reasonable. um or if we're trying to

1401
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,599
accommodate the full program as it's

1402
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:27,440
outlined and then if so then you know

1403
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,079
which direction relative to the to the

1404
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:31,680
site

1405
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,760
feels appropriate so that we could

1406
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,240
continue to study that um because our goal moving forward is to then take

1407
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:40,160
one of these models and begin to look at

1408
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,839
blocking and stacking. So we take the

1409
00:54:41,839 --> 00:54:44,480
individual program elements from the

1410
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:45,920
departments and begin to look at them in

1411
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,240
three dimensions as Letha said. So there

1412
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:49,839
is a next step that we're moving forward

1413
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:51,200
to. We're studying parking and

1414
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:52,640
circulation, all that. So, we need a

1415
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,119
little bit of a stable

1416
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:56,960
set of feedback on on what we've

1417
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,559
presented

1418
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:00,559
or a direction to look at an alternative

1419
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:02,400
approach.

1420
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:02,960
>> Yeah.

1421
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,640
>> Okay. Any Elizabeth? Um, shouldn't we

1422
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,880
also be looking tonight at um the

1423
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,280
question that's come up? Do do we really

1424
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,040
want to keep trying to put this entire

1425
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,520
full program into this site or should we

1426
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,680
consider what trade-offs we might make

1427
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:22,800
to keep um to keep everything in one

1428
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,720
building and not phase? Uh but that's

1429
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:28,160
not really sort of on the table right

1430
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,240
now. It seems like it seems like um

1431
00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:32,319
you've been given a program and you're

1432
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:35,440
trying to uh fit that program into the

1433
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,079
site, but I don't think we've had a

1434
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:40,319
chance yet to talk about well if we want

1435
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:42,160
to keep the site more or less as it is

1436
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,880
and it maybe just as one building uh

1437
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,960
one-time construction,

1438
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,720
what could where could the program be

1439
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:50,799
trimmed to make that happen? Shouldn't

1440
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:52,240
that be something we're talking about

1441
00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:55,200
tonight also? Otherwise, you're you're

1442
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:57,599
you've kind of adopted a program that we

1443
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:01,829
haven't really adopted yet.

1444
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:04,960
» It's a good question. Um that is

1445
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,240
something that we should debate tonight.

1446
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,920
I don't know that we have the answer

1447
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,920
because again that's not that was not

1448
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,680
part of what we studied is where to cut.

1449
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,200
So I don't have a list of potential

1450
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,520
cuts. What we did look at is

1451
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,680
departmental overlaps in terms of shared

1452
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,400
spaces. So we did bring 10% of

1453
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,559
efficiency to the program that we you

1454
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:25,200
know that we were given in terms of of

1455
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,040
various spaces, conference rooms and

1456
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:28,319
other things that could be shared

1457
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:30,960
between departments. But we didn't take

1458
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,119
the approach of can we take the fire

1459
00:56:33,119 --> 00:56:36,559
department down by 50% and take the

1460
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:38,880
police department down by 25% so that

1461
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,760
they can better fit within one building.

1462
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,920
That that is it's an important question.

1463
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,720
That's not what we um answered as we

1464
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:49,040
came today, you know, to this meeting.

1465
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,559
That was not our that was not our

1466
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:52,240
direction.

1467
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:55,920
>> Um but what would it take to to address

1468
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,720
that? I mean, it seems to me that that's

1469
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:01,280
step one is is to figure out what our

1470
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,400
program is and then how does it fit?

1471
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,319
And you've been given a much bigger

1472
00:57:06,319 --> 00:57:08,799
program that I than we have right now.

1473
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:11,520
And so it's not fitting. and with the

1474
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:12,799
council and the community haven't really

1475
00:57:12,799 --> 00:57:14,400
talked about that yet.

1476
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,440
>> Understood. Um, Mayor Prom Robbins, the scope of work for Gendler was

1477
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,960
included

1478
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,280
and attached to the staff report that

1479
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,680
went to the council and this they were

1480
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,720
very clear in their scope of work that

1481
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,119
they would be using the current

1482
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:36,000
programming for the facility master plan

1483
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:39,040
and then adding in um the fire station

1484
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:40,640
because the current facility master

1485
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,880
plan, as you know, doesn't have it. So,

1486
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,680
they're doing what their scope of work

1487
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,799
um requires them to do. If the majority

1488
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:50,720
of the council

1489
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:54,960
would like um more effort put into this,

1490
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,240
um we we can do that. I would be talking

1491
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,720
with Gendler. What would that take? How

1492
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,319
many weeks would it add to the scope of

1493
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:05,040
work? What would the cost be? And those

1494
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,720
kinds of things. And then I would bring

1495
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,839
back an amendment to the council um for

1496
00:58:09,839 --> 00:58:12,400
your approval. And so that we can do

1497
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,640
this. We can do what you're asking. I do

1498
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,640
want to give just one um note to you is

1499
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:22,720
that um the the fire chief does not have

1500
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,000
authority from his board from their

1501
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,280
governing body to spend a lot of time on

1502
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,760
this. So, um he and he already um

1503
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,480
indicated to me yesterday that he's he's

1504
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,280
put about as much time into answering

1505
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,960
questions um that he's he's feels

1506
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:44,480
comfortable doing without getting

1507
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,400
direction from his board. So, um, you

1508
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,240
know, with the idea, I think that the

1509
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,640
council, the vision is to have Ross

1510
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,040
Valley Fire, you know, kind of can do

1511
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,799
what what they had before where they

1512
00:58:56,799 --> 00:58:58,720
have a station here and a and a station

1513
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:03,599
that's staffed. Um, he needs to be um he

1514
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,920
needs to be a part of any discussion

1515
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,079
about the programming needs for a fire

1516
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,040
department. He is the chief. He needs to

1517
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,720
be part of that. So that that

1518
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,480
discussion, he needs to have authority

1519
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,240
from his his board. Just like for us,

1520
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,799
you we depend on chief on our police

1521
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:23,680
chief to um we're not just going to be

1522
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:27,200
able to go in there and say you get 25%

1523
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,079
off, you know, 25% less square footage.

1524
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,440
We're going to have to go through

1525
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,160
because they've been in that department

1526
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,799
for, you know, a hundred years. it does

1527
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:39,520
not meet um standards that we were

1528
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,440
required to have for a new station. So,

1529
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,359
um but we can do that if the council

1530
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:47,520
wants us to do that. Absolutely. I'll

1531
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,119
spend time with Gendler starting

1532
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:52,480
tomorrow and come back with it at your

1533
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,599
um your next council meeting in October.

1534
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,640
>> Well, I I think it'd be helpful to hear

1535
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,799
um what community members think about,

1536
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:02,880
you know, where should we move? Do we

1537
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,920
look do we make some f some inquiries

1538
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:15,440
about the program before we settle on a on a an a study plan or you know I be would be I would be interested in

1539
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,920
what community members think about this

1540
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,319
>> that's the next section public comment

1541
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,160
um assuming nobody has any more

1542
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,240
questions

1543
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,160
>> so with the there was in the CAC plan

1544
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,319
there was blocking showing different

1545
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:33,680
square footage for each of the

1546
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:35,839
departments. Did you look at that?

1547
01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:36,720
>> Yes.

1548
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:39,280
>> Okay. But then you you were told the

1549
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,079
direction was go with what the Mary

1550
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,119
McGrath and the previous

1551
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:48,480
um studies that were done by KPA for for

1552
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:49,920
the the square footage and not

1553
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,000
acknowledge what the CAC did. Is that

1554
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,640
correct?

1555
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:53,680
>> Correct.

1556
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,240
>> Okay. And then did you look at Sleepy

1557
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:57,839
Hollow?

1558
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:00,319
We were aware that we just that the Ross

1559
01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:03,040
Valley Fire just did redid. You didn't

1560
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:03,760
look at that.

1561
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,440
>> I mean, we were aware of the project and

1562
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:06,960
but that was not the program that we

1563
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,799
were we were asked to use.

1564
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,040
>> Okay. So, if we asked you to look at

1565
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,040
that and what they and designed and how

1566
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,359
they fit because even without the fire

1567
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:16,319
chiefs, yeah,

1568
01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:18,720
>> we know he was a part of that redo, we

1569
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,440
could use what they had done there to

1570
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,440
inform what we could do here.

1571
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,720
>> Is that a fair

1572
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:25,280
>> Yeah.

1573
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,400
>> approach? Absolutely.

1574
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,200
>> Okay. Thank you. Um, Fairfax Station 21

1575
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,520
is also undergoing a pretty significant

1576
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,760
remodel. So, that's probably another

1577
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,000
>> another place to look.

1578
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,839
>> I have one other question. Are is

1579
01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:39,680
speaking of the base, are we talking

1580
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,839
about the same size fire engine going

1581
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:43,520
forward as what we have now, or is there

1582
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:44,559
something different?

1583
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,319
>> Uh, I believe it's the same Well, does

1584
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:50,559
is there's there's not a curtain engine

1585
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,520
assigned here. Correct. These are

1586
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,119
there's you may know

1587
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:58,880
>> assumed to be a type one. Yeah, it's a it's a standard modern fire

1588
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,000
engine. Yeah. Thanks.

1589
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,240
>> Yeah.

1590
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,160
>> Okay. So, we'll open it up for public

1591
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,720
comment. If you would come to the podium

1592
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,760
and announce your name and then make

1593
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:18,870
your public comment.

1594
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,079
Good evening. I'm Paul Rustler, a

1595
01:02:22,079 --> 01:02:24,720
longtime Ross resident and candidate for

1596
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,720
town council.

1597
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,839
More than 400 residents signed an

1598
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:33,200
initiative to restore fire operations in

1599
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,799
Ross.

1600
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:38,319
FORF withdrew it only after the council

1601
01:02:38,319 --> 01:02:39,920
unanimously

1602
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,599
advanced the CAC plan, including a fully

1603
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:46,880
functional firehouse.

1604
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,799
Now, the town is considering two

1605
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:50,880
different scenarios.

1606
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,599
One with no firehouse

1607
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,000
or a phase two that defers it to an

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01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:58,640
uncertain future.

1609
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,400
Phase two is not a compromise.

1610
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,359
It converts a committed part of the CAC

1611
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,720
plan into an unfunded option that may

1612
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,599
never be built.

1613
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,160
Gendler is also being asked to use the

1614
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:17,680
earlier Mary McGrath plan developed for

1615
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:21,200
a much larger standalone station in

1616
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:24,799
carrying a dramatically higher cost than

1617
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:28,960
the rightsized CAC or FORF plans for

1618
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,720
that matter.

1619
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,839
Start with oversized assumptions,

1620
01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:37,440
add indefinite delay, and the firehouse

1621
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,039
is designed out and budgeted out of the

1622
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:42,799
project.

1623
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:45,599
The town manager says Gendler is merely

1624
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:48,880
asking whether to evaluate two

1625
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,400
scenarios.

1626
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,760
But who directed Gendler to present

1627
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,880
those choices?

1628
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,520
One eliminates the firehouse.

1629
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,559
The other defers it.

1630
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:05,280
Neither includes the complete CAC plan

1631
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,440
as the baseline.

1632
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,480
This is not merely program validation.

1633
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:14,240
It is a fundamental policy change.

1634
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,400
The council should direct Gendler to use

1635
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,599
the complete CAC plan as the baseline,

1636
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:23,280
not the McGrath plan. No firehouse

1637
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,280
alternative,

1638
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,160
no separate phase two.

1639
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,319
Why is this being pushed through special

1640
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:33,760
meetings immediately before an election?

1641
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,160
Mayor McMillan has opposed restoring an

1642
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,119
operational fire station.

1643
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:42,160
Bob Herps and I support reopening it

1644
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,440
with a financially responsible plan that

1645
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:49,520
minimizes the burden on taxpayers.

1646
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,640
Do not make the firehouse impossible

1647
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:55,920
before residents have their say.

1648
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,720
Let Ross decide with honest costs and a

1649
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,240
council that respects their vote.

1650
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,799
That is accountability.

1651
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:16,870
That is transparency. Thank you.

1652
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,799
» Hello everybody. You know exactly who I

1653
01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:20,880
am.

1654
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,640
Um,

1655
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,760
and this is mostly for I guess the

1656
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,920
audience

1657
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:30,079
as members of the citizens advisory

1658
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,400
committee that created

1659
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,880
the town hall and community center plan

1660
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,039
that you all voted unanimously to

1661
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:40,240
support. We wish to express our strong

1662
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,480
objection to the current proposal to

1663
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,839
modify that plan by creating a no

1664
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:48,000
firehouse

1665
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,440
option. Retaining optionality for the

1666
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,079
future return of local fire service to

1667
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,280
Ross, pardon me, to the Ross firehouse

1668
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,640
has been and continues to be a critical

1669
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:03,200
component of the CAC plan without which

1670
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,000
the friends of the Ross firehouse and

1671
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,000
their many supporters would not have

1672
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,720
agreed in good faith to withdraw the

1673
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,280
ballot initiative requiring the town to

1674
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,440
maintain an operational firehouse.

1675
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,760
Excuse me. We believe it's important to

1676
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:21,119
keep in mind that the town hall

1677
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,119
renovation plan with or without the

1678
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:26,480
firehouse will require a large new bond

1679
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:30,079
measure of 12 to$15 million that must

1680
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,240
receive 67%

1681
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:35,039
of the approval of Ross voters.

1682
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:38,319
With PA taxpayer exhaustion from so many

1683
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:40,880
new tax measures, particularly this

1684
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,920
coming November, we believe this bond

1685
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,839
measure is highly unlikely to pass

1686
01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:48,720
without all of us pulling together on

1687
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,319
the same ore and supporting it. Friends

1688
01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,160
of the Ross Firehouse clearly will not

1689
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:59,039
be a supporter to a no firehouse option.

1690
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,119
As you know, the CAC offered our

1691
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:02,799
volunteer services to be active

1692
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:04,720
participants in a working group

1693
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,799
subcommittee to help guide

1694
01:07:06,799 --> 01:07:10,000
implementation of the CAC plan.

1695
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:12,640
Combined, we have over 350 years of

1696
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:14,400
experience in real estate design,

1697
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,760
development, construction, and finance.

1698
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,240
Dan Wy and Joe, pardon me, Joey

1699
01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,359
Buckingham in particular, are talented

1700
01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:26,079
designers who have served

1701
01:07:26,079 --> 01:07:28,880
for many years on the town's design

1702
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:31,680
review committee. Our offer of volunteer

1703
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:34,160
assistance remains

1704
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,640
and we truly hope you accept it as we

1705
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,079
have only the best intentions

1706
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,039
for our town being longtime residents of

1707
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,119
Ross.

1708
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,160
We have a relatively small 2.3 acre site

1709
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,079
at the town center on which we are

1710
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,240
trying to fit many requirements

1711
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,880
including admin, public safety,

1712
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,280
affordable housing and so on. Very

1713
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,440
likely there will need to be

1714
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,280
prioritizations and tradeoffs

1715
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,960
particularly since we have allocated

1716
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,200
about a half an acre of the northern end

1717
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,079
of the site for a 9-unit

1718
01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:10,079
affordable housing project in order to

1719
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:12,480
meet the statemandated ABG housing

1720
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,799
requirements.

1721
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:16,719
Probably no town department will get

1722
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:18,880
their full, pardon me, their full wish

1723
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:22,560
list in the final plan and that's okay.

1724
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,560
We're a very small town with limited

1725
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,679
needs and budget. It's okay for our

1726
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:30,319
firefighters and paramedics to change

1727
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:33,679
share a living room and kitchen space

1728
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:38,000
thereby having those space requirements.

1729
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,239
It's okay for all our town employees to

1730
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:42,159
share conference rooms and gym space.

1731
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:44,319
It's okay for the police to continue

1732
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,640
parking their squad cars behind town

1733
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,239
hall in an unsecured yard as they have

1734
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:53,839
done for the past 60 plus years.

1735
01:08:53,839 --> 01:08:55,679
Maybe because of the affordable housing

1736
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:57,359
units.

1737
01:08:57,359 --> 01:09:00,480
Excuse me one second. The public works

1738
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:03,759
and perhaps even some off-site parking

1739
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:05,440
somewhere for some of them and their

1740
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:07,199
equipment.

1741
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:09,040
As Voltater

1742
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,120
is credited with saying, please don't

1743
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,759
let the perfect be the enemy of the

1744
01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:15,920
good.

1745
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,669
>> Thanks, Jeff.

1746
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:22,640
» Uh, mayor, council, uh, persons, I'm

1747
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,359
going to continue with the CAC letter.

1748
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:29,040
Uh the CAC strongly believes that with

1749
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,159
smart planning and smart tradeoffs,

1750
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,480
working together, we can achieve a

1751
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:36,960
beautiful vision for our town hall and

1752
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,839
community center. Uh note, we don't call

1753
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:42,400
it a civic center. We're not San Rafale.

1754
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:44,080
We don't have 60,000 people. We have

1755
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:47,120
2500 people. We're a small town. We need

1756
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,799
a town hall and community center. That's

1757
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:51,120
Dan Weiny's label for it. And I think

1758
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:54,560
it's apppropo. Um that town hall and

1759
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:57,199
community center should include a shared

1760
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,080
space for paramedics and fire,

1761
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,480
especially with retention of the

1762
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,320
existing apparatus bays that were built

1763
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,880
in 1995 with $3.5 million

1764
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,960
of private donations from Ross

1765
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,159
residents. Frankly, to consider tearing

1766
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:16,560
that down is a slap in the face to those

1767
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,360
residents in my opinion.

1768
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:21,199
There now appears to be uncertainty

1769
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:23,040
about how much additional square footage

1770
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,120
will be required to allow for potential

1771
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:28,159
future firehouse operations. The

1772
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,080
previous master plan analyzed by the

1773
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,400
town and we now know it's Mary McGrath's

1774
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:36,640
9212 report plan actually um

1775
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,040
contemplated a brand new standalone fire

1776
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,040
station and that's simply not an

1777
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:42,880
appropriate model to use for scoping the

1778
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,679
CAC recommendation which is a combined

1779
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,199
living space for paramedics and

1780
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:49,600
firefighters along with retention of our

1781
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,320
existing apparatus bay. The CAC

1782
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,199
recommends that Gendler and town staff

1783
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,040
review the recent Sleepy Hollow Fire

1784
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,280
Station rebuild in order to determine

1785
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,520
the needed square footage for our town.

1786
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:03,679
We're another member of the Ross Valley

1787
01:11:03,679 --> 01:11:05,199
Fire District with the exact same

1788
01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:07,199
population as Sleepy Hollow. Why would

1789
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,760
we need more space for a firehouse than

1790
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,400
they do a firehouse that is literally

1791
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,640
just rebuilt and finished six months

1792
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,120
ago? Sleepy Hollow retained their

1793
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,600
existing apparatus bay located in the

1794
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,320
flood zone. By the way, the Santelmo

1795
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,320
firehouse that also was just rebuilt

1796
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:28,560
also stayed in the flood zone. Um,

1797
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,880
they built a completely new 2400t

1798
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:32,880
firefighter residence that includes a

1799
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,120
large gym.

1800
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,800
The actual living and functional space

1801
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,719
for the firefighters is only about 2,000

1802
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:41,360
square ft. Since paramedics can share

1803
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:42,960
common area living spaces with the

1804
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,560
firefighters, it should be possible to

1805
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:46,960
achieve a combined firefighter paramedic

1806
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,920
facility in our Ross firehouse utilizing

1807
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,960
3,000 square ft of space or less.

1808
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,640
Another benefit, and this has been

1809
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:56,719
mentioned, of copying the Sleepy Hollow

1810
01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:59,199
plan, is that this is a recent approved

1811
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:01,520
operational design for the Ross Valley

1812
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,600
Fire Department. So, we know it works

1813
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,760
for their needs. We don't need to waste

1814
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,840
a lot of Chief Mahoney's time looking at

1815
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,040
it. He just approved an exact station

1816
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,080
for a similar town. In in summary, we

1817
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,320
can do this together, guys. We urge you

1818
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,320
to reject the no firehouse option as

1819
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:19,679
it's only going to lead us back to where

1820
01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:22,159
we started when we launched the CAC,

1821
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:24,320
which is a contentious, divided town

1822
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:26,480
with no chance of passing a major bond

1823
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:28,480
measure to renovate and update our

1824
01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:30,640
historic town hall and public safety

1825
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:33,120
facility. Respectfully, members of the

1826
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,120
RAW Citizens Advisory Committee, Jeff

1827
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,520
myself, Dan Weiny, Joey

1828
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:41,120
Buckingham, Jeff Kovaleck, Ed Dong, Tom

1829
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:48,870
Gaffne, and Bill Poland. Thank you.

1830
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,719
» Anyone else in the chamber for public

1831
01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:59,430
comment? Wayne.

1832
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:03,600
Hello, my name is Wayne Halter.

1833
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:08,640
>> Push it down. Wayne Halter and I may be

1834
01:13:08,640 --> 01:13:12,480
the barn door may be open so that my

1835
01:13:12,480 --> 01:13:16,320
question is already discarded. But I it

1836
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,239
seems to me that everybody is twisting

1837
01:13:18,239 --> 01:13:23,120
themselves into knots to try to provide

1838
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,679
a fire station

1839
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:28,480
possibly to come back when the decision

1840
01:13:28,480 --> 01:13:30,960
of the town residents hasn't been

1841
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,040
resolved about whether they would be in

1842
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:36,719
favor of paying the ongoing operational

1843
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:40,000
costs. Has that already been decided

1844
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:44,640
that you want to wait and maybe put it

1845
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,080
pay these extra costs in case a fire

1846
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,040
department comes back without knowing

1847
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:54,560
whether the residents would even approve

1848
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,760
it approve for the parcel tax would have

1849
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:02,159
to pay for it. That's my question.

1850
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:05,280
>> Thank you. Anybody else in the chamber?

1851
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,520
Anyone online? sack.

1852
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,679
>> No one online. Mayor.

1853
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:13,520
>> Okay. So, we'll bring it back for um

1854
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,590
discussion.

1855
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,320
» Mayor, if I can just to shed light on

1856
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,239
because the question was has been asked

1857
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,040
about the the Mary McGrath report. And

1858
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,520
if I can just maybe address that that

1859
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,040
issue.

1860
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,400
uh staff is uh by providing that report

1861
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,560
to Gendler, we're we're staff's not

1862
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,120
advocating for a standalone fire

1863
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,760
station. But what does what does that

1864
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,120
report do? It does similar to what your

1865
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,840
facility master plan did in terms of

1866
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,920
identifying the key uh program space

1867
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,880
that is necessary for a current and

1868
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,280
modern fire station to meet the health

1869
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,600
and safety standards of an operating

1870
01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:59,199
department.

1871
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:02,400
uh it includes a number of elements that

1872
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,159
are non-existent in the current

1873
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:08,159
facility. Uh for example, the apparatus

1874
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:11,920
bay does not include space for

1875
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:15,440
firefighters to uh remove their

1876
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:18,239
firefighting equipment once they return

1877
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:21,679
from a fire. That is a current standard

1878
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:23,520
and that's I think what we heard from

1879
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:25,520
Manan in terms of would there be

1880
01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,360
additional space required? That's just

1881
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:30,320
one example of additional space that

1882
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,400
would be necessary to construct and add

1883
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:34,800
to the apparatus bay to ensure the

1884
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,199
health and safety of the firefighters

1885
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:39,600
after they do their important work to

1886
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,920
preserve the life of our residents. So

1887
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,320
there's a number of examples of of that

1888
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,880
u that are in Mary's report where there

1889
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,440
are those critical uh safety elements

1890
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:52,960
that are necessary again as part of a uh

1891
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,000
operating fire station that are not part

1892
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,480
of the station as it is here. So going

1893
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,320
forward, if you council was to make an

1894
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:01,760
investment, it would be our

1895
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,280
recommendation to look at those

1896
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,199
carefully. And I and I can almost

1897
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:07,360
guarantee you that the chief is going to

1898
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,679
say those are required for a number of

1899
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:12,000
reasons, including OSHA and current

1900
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,600
health and safety standards. There's

1901
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:15,440
just no question they can't be built

1902
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,520
without them when you make substantial

1903
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:19,840
investments and improvements. Uh and so

1904
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:23,840
that again, that study was a basis for

1905
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,320
the square footage need for that space.

1906
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,199
It wasn't advocating nor was the cost at

1907
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:31,679
part of you know that we haven't even

1908
01:16:31,679 --> 01:16:33,679
got to that stage of work yet. It was

1909
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:35,360
really to look at all those critical

1910
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,320
uses. What is the square footage of

1911
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,719
space that's required to include those

1912
01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:42,880
elements so that Gendler has something

1913
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,880
to look at in terms of what are the

1914
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:47,679
space needs for a fire station. The the

1915
01:16:47,679 --> 01:16:49,840
other element again to look at and this

1916
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,800
was what was provided to Gendler uh was

1917
01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:54,800
the lease agreement with the paramedic

1918
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,360
authority. The lease agreement is very

1919
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,520
specific in terms of the square footage

1920
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,080
that's allotted to the paramedic

1921
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,080
authority. It's 2,50 square feet. So

1922
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:08,960
that's that does not include the any uh

1923
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:13,199
elements that are required of a uh of a

1924
01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:15,600
fire station. So I hear the term 3,000

1925
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,520
square ft. That would mean you got

1926
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,520
paramedics at 2,000 and you're going to

1927
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,080
fit six firefighters doing shift teams

1928
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,159
in 1,000 square ft. I don't think it's

1929
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,960
operationally possible. Uh and that's

1930
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,960
what Mary's report really addresses is

1931
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:30,640
what are those space needs for a fire

1932
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,320
station. So that's why that report was

1933
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,880
provided as part of just doing the space

1934
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,760
validation. It wasn't to advocate for

1935
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,920
building a standalone station at the

1936
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,239
cost that Mary McGrath estimated. So I

1937
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:43,440
just wanted to explain that because I

1938
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:46,239
think it's helpful. Uh it wasn't it

1939
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:48,960
wasn't we directed Gendler to use this

1940
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,199
study. It was this is the most

1941
01:17:51,199 --> 01:17:53,760
informative and available information

1942
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,000
from a very wellrespected design

1943
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,640
architect for fire stations that did a

1944
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,560
analysis two times over five plus years

1945
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:07,440
and including including very recently to to look at this issue in consultation

1946
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:09,760
with the chief. That's the base best

1947
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:11,520
information that we had available in the

1948
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,239
short time frame to be able to help

1949
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:18,320
inform Ginsa. Uh but what they did do as

1950
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:21,040
part of that work is look at all of

1951
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:24,640
those shared spaces uh that where there

1952
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:27,520
was opportunities for efficiencies. So

1953
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:28,880
that's you know we talk about the

1954
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,560
fitness room, we talk about a shared

1955
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,960
kitchen uh and and you know there's a

1956
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:35,040
number of other shared space elements

1957
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:37,600
again to try to be as efficient as

1958
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,400
possible. I can tell you uh Christa was

1959
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:42,880
very adamant with me and with Ginsler to

1960
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,120
make sure we were as tight as possible

1961
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,679
with respect to square footages for all

1962
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,120
the departments as we were moving

1963
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,159
forward and and and same with police. We

1964
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:54,800
we've had multiple discussions with uh

1965
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:59,360
previous chief, Chief Pota uh and and the most recent chief on again

1966
01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,320
looking at those square footage uh

1967
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,320
elements and programs that are required

1968
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,320
for the police department to meet

1969
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,560
current health and safety standards. And

1970
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:10,880
so that's what again informs that square

1971
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,679
footage. So it it's uh you know again

1972
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:16,239
many of those um requirements are set

1973
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:18,880
forth now in the law that if you upgrade

1974
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,960
you change you have to include these

1975
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:22,719
elements and those are they're they're

1976
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:24,480
more than just best practices. They're

1977
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:27,040
really uh required even though they're

1978
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:29,760
not existent today. So anyways mayor I

1979
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,560
just wanted to offer that perspective uh

1980
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,040
and and as to why uh uh the Mary McGrath

1981
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,159
study was was referenced.

1982
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:42,000
Okay.

1983
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,239
Discussion.

1984
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:46,960
Well, uh, listening to, uh, the speakers

1985
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:49,280
that came up, it it I have a question.

1986
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:52,480
So, can I ask a question?

1987
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:54,400
>> I'm going to ask the staff.

1988
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:55,920
>> Okay. Yeah, go ahead. I'm going to ask

1989
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,120
the staff. So,

1990
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,920
given that there's talk about

1991
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,239
uh, the fire station in the plan or not

1992
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:06,800
in the plan. So, what's what is the

1993
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:09,760
value of evaluating the civic center

1994
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,400
concept without a fire station? What's

1995
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,080
the value of doing that?

1996
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:15,679
>> That's that's a great question, Council

1997
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:16,880
Member Dalling, and I think it's

1998
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,320
integral to why that uh was included in

1999
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:22,000
your agenda report.

2000
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,080
>> Um, first of all, we we don't want to

2001
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:26,640
assume that council has made an absolute

2002
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,400
policy direction uh that uh we are going

2003
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,679
to have a a fire department. uh it that

2004
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:35,520
it's part of, you know, something that

2005
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:36,960
we're going to evaluate in terms of

2006
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:40,480
providing a a capital facility to

2007
01:20:40,480 --> 01:20:42,400
support a fire station.

2008
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:47,520
>> Uh but it also goes to cost factors. Uh

2009
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,000
ultimately, council is going to consider

2010
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,480
uh possibly uh whether to put a ballot

2011
01:20:52,480 --> 01:20:54,719
measure. Um and it's it's helpful and

2012
01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:58,960
informative to uh have an option where a

2013
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,199
fire station may not be included. So you

2014
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:02,880
have that cost difference that that

2015
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:05,280
differential between what it would what

2016
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,320
it would require a taxpayer to fund in

2017
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,199
terms of uh a new facility with a fire

2018
01:21:11,199 --> 01:21:15,760
station and without. And I think it's a it's a helpful uh decision point

2019
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,360
for for uh in informing the voters. Uh

2020
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:21,840
so that's that's a key element. And

2021
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:24,400
again the at this stage it's really

2022
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:28,239
about uh helping inform your your

2023
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:31,840
planning around uh site circulation

2024
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,040
uh and a host of other uh site issues

2025
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,239
that are are going to really drive us

2026
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:40,880
forward in different directions. and and

2027
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,960
it's key to have that information so

2028
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:46,000
that if if you decide down the road that

2029
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,880
council doesn't uh determines that they

2030
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,640
don't want to have a fire station, you

2031
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,600
you're you're not backtracking uh to

2032
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,159
restart the process. So, it's it's also

2033
01:21:56,159 --> 01:21:58,000
about timing and and whether you want to

2034
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,639
preserve that opportunity uh at this

2035
01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:02,800
point in time.

2036
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,830
>> Okay.

2037
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:10,800
» So, I I have a couple of comments. Um

2038
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,000
I mean one is um

2039
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,360
I don't understand where staff got the

2040
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:20,159
idea that we shouldn't that we should be

2041
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,560
looking at a no fire station option. I

2042
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,880
thought the whole point of this was

2043
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,000
there are differences of opinion.

2044
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,280
uh friends presented something plausible

2045
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,239
in December in January and then the CAC

2046
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:37,440
presented a plan and the council

2047
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:40,000
unanimously endors endorsed it supported

2048
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,960
it and it had a fire station and the and

2049
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,280
it was never

2050
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,239
um decided how it how the operations

2051
01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:51,280
would be funded but the entire council

2052
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:55,760
agreed that this CAC plan uh brings the

2053
01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:58,000
community together works for everyone.

2054
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:00,800
There's an option for a fire station and

2055
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,360
that is what Friends of the Ross

2056
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,960
Firehouse uh

2057
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:08,880
would be would have been voting on in in

2058
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:10,960
November except that because of the

2059
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:12,880
town's commitment, the council's

2060
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,280
commitment to hire Gendler to look at

2061
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:19,040
the CAC plan, the friends

2062
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,280
rightly felt that the town is committed

2063
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:26,960
to moving forward with that plan. And it seems to me that town staff is has

2064
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,760
been directing Gensler to look at a plan

2065
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:32,960
without a fire station. And I mean I

2066
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,040
don't understand where that even came

2067
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:36,880
from because that isn't where I thought

2068
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,080
we were starting on April 29 when the

2069
01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:42,320
entire council and you know and the

2070
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:44,800
entire community thought great we have a

2071
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,639
wonderful plan and there's an option for

2072
01:23:46,639 --> 01:23:48,560
a fire station and if we can make it

2073
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:51,120
work we will. So that's my first comment

2074
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:54,159
is I don't know how we even got here,

2075
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:55,920
but I think we need to get back to where

2076
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:59,840
we were with with the CAC/Gensler

2077
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:04,400
plan from April and not even consider uh

2078
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,800
this idea of no fire station. I don't

2079
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:09,840
see how a bond measure will pass if we

2080
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:13,199
don't have a fire station u uh included

2081
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,000
in the plan. And even if you say, well,

2082
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,639
we have money saved so we can do part of

2083
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:21,199
this. Uh, you need goodwill of the

2084
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,440
community to pass the next paramedic

2085
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:26,000
tax, the me next, uh, public safety

2086
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,239
parcel tax that we you can't just sort

2087
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:30,320
of bait and switch and say, well, we can

2088
01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:32,080
phase this. We have the money. We don't

2089
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:33,840
care about the bond measure. We really

2090
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,080
need this whole building with the option

2091
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:38,480
of a fire station and a bond measure in

2092
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:40,080
the spring.

2093
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:43,600
Um, the other comment is again I don't

2094
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,320
quite get how town staff got the idea

2095
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,360
that we can't trim down some elements of

2096
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:51,760
the program. It sounds like Gensler has

2097
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,920
been given uh a a lovely program but

2098
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,880
it's quite extensive and they were asked

2099
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,520
make this work uh but you can't make it

2100
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,320
work easily. Um, and the next and and I

2101
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:08,880
don't understand why we haven't looked

2102
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,480
before we're trying to fit in the

2103
01:25:10,480 --> 01:25:12,560
buildings. I think we need to take a

2104
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,560
look at the program to see are there

2105
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,040
areas where we can cut, you know, make

2106
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:21,360
changes like do we have to have a a um

2107
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,000
uh a parking area for the for the police

2108
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,080
cars? Are there some areas that can be

2109
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,199
trimmed down? And um we're being asked

2110
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:31,600
to choose, you know, study one, study

2111
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:35,600
two based on a program that um the town

2112
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:37,040
staff is comfortable with, but I don't

2113
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,199
know that the council or the community

2114
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:42,560
is because it it directs this whole

2115
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,719
project in a in a direction that's

2116
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:47,199
different from where I think uh we all

2117
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,760
thought we were in April.

2118
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:51,520
Um

2119
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,719
I c I wouldn't uh be in favor of any

2120
01:25:54,719 --> 01:25:58,400
phasing because again um

2121
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:02,320
the the if you phase you will risk

2122
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:03,840
phasing the fire station out of

2123
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:09,040
existence and I think the whole point of the of the CAC Gendler plan was to

2124
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,040
have the option for a fire station. It

2125
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,719
brought whole together the entire

2126
01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:15,920
community. It ended the divisiveness. it

2127
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:19,280
seemed feasible and now it seems like

2128
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,080
we're tearing the whole thing apart and

2129
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,800
I really feel like that's what town

2130
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,800
staff has directed Gendler to do but I

2131
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,480
think that's the wrong step. So I would

2132
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:31,360
say I think we should um take another

2133
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,360
look at the program if that takes more

2134
01:26:33,360 --> 01:26:36,400
time that's fine and take a look at to

2135
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,280
see what is the best way way to put

2136
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,840
everything uh in one building or if it's

2137
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:49,590
two not to phase it.

2138
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,199
» Okay.

2139
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:55,920
Um well I I I do support phasing. I

2140
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,600
think phasing in this case is

2141
01:26:57,600 --> 01:26:59,760
particularly good. You know, we really

2142
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,199
do have to keep in mind the paramedics

2143
01:27:03,199 --> 01:27:05,440
and making sure that that space is

2144
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:08,480
available by January 2029.

2145
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,880
So, and I think phasing might help in

2146
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:14,400
terms of where staff work. Um, I'm not

2147
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:17,360
sure how like so like like plant study

2148
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,199
too. I'm not sure how that's going to

2149
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:20,960
look and is it going to be as beautiful

2150
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:24,639
and um will we be as proud of it as we

2151
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:26,320
were at that meeting several months ago

2152
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,480
when we all loved the concept. Um

2153
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,719
I I would agree that I think it's worth

2154
01:27:32,719 --> 01:27:35,199
looking at Sleeping Hollow and Fairfax.

2155
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:37,520
I think it would be worth it for uh

2156
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:41,360
Gendler's team to do that. Um,

2157
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,560
I I I also think I'm not sure why we're

2158
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,320
rushing at this point because given at

2159
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,320
the last council meeting, there was a

2160
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,719
lot of discussion about what needs to

2161
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:54,639
happen by when in order to be uh on the

2162
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:59,280
ballot for some time in uh 2027.

2163
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,719
I I think that we may have assumed that

2164
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:04,159
we were just going to try to rush for

2165
01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:07,840
March, but I think if not rushing gives

2166
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:13,280
us more time to actually look at sort of

2167
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:14,719
the making sure that we're really

2168
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:17,040
comfortable with the space, making sure

2169
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,320
that we're really comfortable with

2170
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:20,960
what's happening with the the fire chief

2171
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:22,960
and what he thinks is appropriate

2172
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:26,400
spacing. um and making sure that all of

2173
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,040
our staff and the particularly the

2174
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,199
police are going to be comfortable with

2175
01:28:31,199 --> 01:28:32,800
the space. I I'd say let's give

2176
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,120
ourselves a sufficient amount of time to

2177
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,440
do this. I wouldn't drag our feet, but I

2178
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,159
would give us a little more time um to

2179
01:28:40,159 --> 01:28:42,320
move this forward and that'll give the

2180
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,960
Gendler staff more time. I mean, it is a

2181
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,600
tight time frame and I think that they

2182
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,360
would appreciate having a little more

2183
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,840
time too as as the staff because you're

2184
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,800
all working so very hard. So, let's slow

2185
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:59,830
it down a bit. Um,

2186
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:09,830
that's it.

2187
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,920
» I don't think we should have an option

2188
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,800
with no firehouse. I think the plan

2189
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,120
should be what we agreed on, including a

2190
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,320
firehouse. I'm interested in phasing.

2191
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:21,840
It's simply an alternative. If we're

2192
01:29:21,840 --> 01:29:23,760
going to have an alternative, it should

2193
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,400
be phasing. It really depends on whether

2194
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:28,320
the financing is going to come together

2195
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,360
for the firehouse or not. But the CAC

2196
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:33,199
plan recognizes

2197
01:29:33,199 --> 01:29:36,000
that there's really two parts to this.

2198
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,400
First is get it built. And then the

2199
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,360
second is see if the financing is there.

2200
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:43,840
If the financing is not there and

2201
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:45,760
there's an agreement, it just can't

2202
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:47,600
happen or it's not going to happen, then

2203
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,000
of course we don't just want an unused

2204
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:51,920
space, it would be nice to be able to

2205
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,800
use it for something else. But I but

2206
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:57,520
again I at this stage I I think it would

2207
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,520
just be a waste of time to come up with

2208
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,120
an alternative that doesn't include a

2209
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,960
firehouse. I appreciate staff's

2210
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,199
comments, but that would be my take on

2211
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:08,080
it. Um, and then I do think we need to

2212
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:11,679
look at can this be downsized. I mean,

2213
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:13,520
the bigger it is, the more it's going to

2214
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,920
cost and we know that it's going to be

2215
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,560
challenge financing this. And certainly,

2216
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,840
we do want our police department and our

2217
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,520
paramedics and our fire department, if

2218
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,760
we were to have one, to be functional

2219
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,880
and safe and effective

2220
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,600
um for for our staff and and for the

2221
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:35,360
public generally. Um, so but I I I

2222
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,440
really think that that that is something

2223
01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:39,840
that that we should we should add on to

2224
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:42,400
our contract and evaluation of this and

2225
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,120
it may be that some additional expertise

2226
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,920
is necessary if there's some uncertainty

2227
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,080
about this particularly with regard to

2228
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:52,400
fire. We have our own expertise in house

2229
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:54,560
with our police chief but we don't have

2230
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,719
that expertise now in house on a fire

2231
01:30:56,719 --> 01:30:59,679
station. Um, and I I'm not clear whether

2232
01:30:59,679 --> 01:31:03,920
Gendler has that has that ability on his

2233
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,800
staff. I believe that Gendler has done

2234
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:09,040
other work on public safety buildings.

2235
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,719
So, if it has and it has those

2236
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:13,440
resources, great. But I think we will

2237
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,480
need some feedback on things like new

2238
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:20,320
public safety um regulations. I do think

2239
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,880
that we should take a close look at what

2240
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,120
other stations in the Ross Valley Fire

2241
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,520
Department have done. Presumably they

2242
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,400
complied with current codes too in terms

2243
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,800
of the different elements that go into a

2244
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:36,000
firehouse uh what's required under the

2245
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:41,679
modern codes and and so forth. Um but um

2246
01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:44,639
you know I I I I I definitely think that

2247
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:48,790
is worth doing

2248
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,560
and and I hope that's specific enough

2249
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,520
for my opinion on guidance.

2250
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:55,199
>> I'm the mayor. You you go ahead. I'll do

2251
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:57,600
I'll be last.

2252
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,679
>> Whatever you say. Um I would say the

2253
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:03,280
first thing is this is just a total

2254
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:06,480
failure of leadership. Um the fact that

2255
01:32:06,480 --> 01:32:09,199
we're here at this point after we had

2256
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,920
come together with a plan to include a

2257
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:15,520
fire station. It's every meeting is some

2258
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,159
attempt to undermine the will of the

2259
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,320
people. And the people want their fire

2260
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,320
station. There's no doubt about it. And

2261
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,960
we'll know that in November. And I don't

2262
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,199
even know what who is directing the

2263
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:30,080
staff to do these things. It makes no

2264
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,280
sense whatsoever when we've already said

2265
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,480
we are trying to solve this puzzle of

2266
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:41,360
keeping our fire station and using the current facilities. So I I'm sorry

2267
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:43,120
to the welcome to the party to the new

2268
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,679
Gendler. Welcome. But this this is

2269
01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,840
already like why are we wasting all of

2270
01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:49,760
this time and energy? I don't know who

2271
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,719
the director is. It's certainly not me.

2272
01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:55,920
Um because we have been very clear that

2273
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,360
the goal was to build uh capacity for

2274
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:01,679
the fire station and use the with within

2275
01:33:01,679 --> 01:33:04,320
the constraints we have. Taking the Mary

2276
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,040
McGrath report for a single station and

2277
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,920
then trying to push it in here is so

2278
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:12,400
insane. I don't know why anyone would

2279
01:33:12,400 --> 01:33:15,280
recommend that. We have again Sleepy

2280
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,840
Hollow and Fairfax construction to look

2281
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,920
at within the fire department. You don't

2282
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,440
have to go very far to see how to do

2283
01:33:21,440 --> 01:33:23,760
this. And then we also have Dan Weiny

2284
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:25,600
and his team that actually already

2285
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:28,080
worked on the CAC plan that could also

2286
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,560
provide instruction. So the last meeting

2287
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:32,960
we talked about why aren't isn't the CAC

2288
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:35,040
meeting with staff and being a part of

2289
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:37,280
this process and we're told no, they

2290
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:38,719
shouldn't be a part of this process.

2291
01:33:38,719 --> 01:33:40,960
Well, you're wasting everybody's time by

2292
01:33:40,960 --> 01:33:43,280
not using the experts who've come up

2293
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:45,520
with this beautiful plan taking their

2294
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:47,440
input. We don't need Mary McGrath. We

2295
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:49,600
don't need her. We've got experts right

2296
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:51,360
here that are willing to help that

2297
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:53,120
already have designed a beautiful plan

2298
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:56,320
and they understand how to do this. So,

2299
01:33:56,320 --> 01:33:59,440
it's a complete lack of leadership. I

2300
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:01,520
don't know who the secret whisperer is

2301
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:04,159
the saying to do this. But, let me be

2302
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:06,400
very clear. We can rebuild this fire

2303
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,560
station. We can program this entire

2304
01:34:08,560 --> 01:34:11,440
site. There is no doubt about it. Mary

2305
01:34:11,440 --> 01:34:13,280
McGrath was the original person that

2306
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,760
told everybody it was 14 million to

2307
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,000
build the site and then it would be 28

2308
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:20,239
million to add a fire station which was

2309
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:22,639
it's just insanity. And at the time the

2310
01:34:22,639 --> 01:34:24,400
people who came forward and said this

2311
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:26,960
plan is ridiculous because let me just

2312
01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,960
be clear those of us that have studied

2313
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,440
this guess what the paramedics are?

2314
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:33,280
They're firemen and then you have

2315
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:35,520
firemen. So you're talking about firemen

2316
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,239
and firemen sharing a kitchen, sharing a

2317
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:40,800
gym, and then sharing a little area to

2318
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:42,960
hang out with each other, and all of a

2319
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:44,320
sudden you're going to double the cost

2320
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:46,159
to add a couple bedrooms and some

2321
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:49,920
lockers. So, you know, the absurdity is

2322
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:52,000
we know what it takes because we have it

2323
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,159
at Sleepy Hollow and Fairfax right now.

2324
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:56,880
They're adding a third bedroom to add

2325
01:34:56,880 --> 01:34:59,040
the accommodation for the extra firemen.

2326
01:34:59,040 --> 01:35:00,719
And guess how much their project is? $2

2327
01:35:00,719 --> 01:35:03,360
million. Sleepy Hollow is $2 and a half

2328
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:04,719
million dollars. Of course not. Julie

2329
01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:06,320
will shake her head. It's totally true.

2330
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:08,239
You guys can look it up. It's in Sanoma

2331
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:10,159
Records. How much it cost them to do it.

2332
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,719
What this plan is, let's take the most

2333
01:35:12,719 --> 01:35:14,480
square footage, the wish list from

2334
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:17,199
everybody and build a monstrosity that

2335
01:35:17,199 --> 01:35:20,480
we don't need for a fortune to try to

2336
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:22,719
undermine the fact that say, "Oh, well,

2337
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:24,400
we can't afford it. We can't afford it."

2338
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:25,840
Instead of looking at what is our

2339
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:27,360
budget, what are the needs of this

2340
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:30,000
community? And what can we make happen?

2341
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,120
I'm about the art of what's possible,

2342
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:36,239
not what's impossible. So, let's stop

2343
01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:39,360
this little game of in of trying to come

2344
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,760
up with reasons to not do something.

2345
01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,600
Let's do it for our people because this

2346
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:45,360
is what they want. This is what they

2347
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:49,280
need and we know we can do it.

2348
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,120
>> So,

2349
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:52,639
um

2350
01:35:52,639 --> 01:35:54,639
you know, I don't think this is failed

2351
01:35:54,639 --> 01:35:56,960
leadership at all. I think the staff has

2352
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,760
been working really hard with Gendler. I

2353
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,280
think there's an opportunity for

2354
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,159
everyone to sharpen their pencil, not

2355
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:08,000
just on fire. Um, and I agree, we made a

2356
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:10,800
commitment. We need to have space, an

2357
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,000
option for a fire station. Um, that's

2358
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:15,920
our commitment. That's what we agreed to

2359
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:18,400
on April 29th. That's what we agreed to

2360
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:22,239
on May 6th when we um when we did the

2361
01:36:22,239 --> 01:36:24,080
resolution to amend the facilities

2362
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:27,120
master plan. So, we need to abide by

2363
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,800
that agreement and um you know, keep the

2364
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,840
peace in town and hopefully position a

2365
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,960
general obligation bond to pass later.

2366
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:40,080
Um the the purpose of the meeting

2367
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,639
tonight is to check in and give feedback

2368
01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:49,199
and give an opportunity to have feedback

2369
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:53,280
and get feedback from the public and the

2370
01:36:53,280 --> 01:36:57,040
council. And I think the the purpose of

2371
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:59,920
the meeting has been served. We have

2372
01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:03,199
looked at the presentation. We are

2373
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:06,480
giving feedback. I agree that we need to

2374
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,480
sharpen our pencils in terms of Sleepy

2375
01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:12,000
Hollow. Uh which is actually station 20

2376
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:18,400
in Sanelmo. And uh that rem remodel cost

2377
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:22,320
$5 million. 1.5 from Sleepy Hollow Fire

2378
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,719
Protection District and 3.5 from

2379
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:26,239
Sanelmo.

2380
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:29,040
And we should also look at station 21 in

2381
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,440
Fairfax and they are spending 1.6

2382
01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:34,639
million to remodel their kitchen and put

2383
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:36,719
in a couple more bedrooms. So, I think

2384
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:39,760
that would be helpful. Um, and I think,

2385
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,360
you know, it's it's like when you

2386
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,600
remodel your house, you start with a

2387
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,480
palace and then you realize there's no

2388
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:48,000
way you're going to be able to afford it

2389
01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,679
and you sharpen your pencil and you make

2390
01:37:49,679 --> 01:37:52,800
compromises. So, I think we have to kind

2391
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:55,119
of make compromises

2392
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:58,639
all the way around. Um,

2393
01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:01,679
you know, I I I want to clarify that

2394
01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:03,760
despite what has been said about me and

2395
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:07,440
my motives and circulated in emails by

2396
01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:10,480
fellow council members, I have not had

2397
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,360
any involvement in or influence with the

2398
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:15,760
Gensler or the staff meetings or the

2399
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,679
staff report.

2400
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:22,400
I I am I am 20% of this council. I I am

2401
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:24,800
not the, you know, the the marionette

2402
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:28,400
person behind the puppet. That's not me.

2403
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:30,960
Um, I think that the CAC letter was

2404
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,760
really thoughtful and really excellent

2405
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:37,280
to help us refocus our priorities. And I

2406
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:40,560
really commend the CAC for for kind of

2407
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,520
pivoting and helping us focus on um

2408
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:48,719
station 20 on Butterfield Road. Um,

2409
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:51,679
and so,

2410
01:38:51,679 --> 01:38:53,760
you know, I I agree with what Terry said

2411
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,040
in terms of slowing down. Um, and I I

2412
01:38:57,040 --> 01:38:59,280
recognize that looking at station 20 and

2413
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,360
21, that's going to take more time.

2414
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:03,280
Sharpening our pencil and looking at all

2415
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:06,159
the programs across everything, that's

2416
01:39:06,159 --> 01:39:08,800
going to take more time. But we had a

2417
01:39:08,800 --> 01:39:10,639
presentation,

2418
01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:12,719
it was still in August, right, Christa?

2419
01:39:12,719 --> 01:39:15,840
We had a presentation in August by

2420
01:39:15,840 --> 01:39:19,920
Civics who basically said to us, "If you

2421
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,960
guys try to do a March

2422
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,760
2027 bond measure in light of this

2423
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,000
pretty divisive council election that's

2424
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:30,960
coming up and all the other burdens that

2425
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:33,440
the taxpayers are being asked to pay, it

2426
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:35,600
is highly unlikely that you are going to

2427
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,480
be able to pass your general obligation

2428
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:41,520
bond in March of 2027." The next date

2429
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:44,880
was May. I think we should slow stuff

2430
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,000
down or at least put on our agenda for

2431
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:50,960
September. Let's discuss this timeline.

2432
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,000
Let's, you know, relax it a little bit.

2433
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:55,840
Let's slow it down. Let's not be so

2434
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:59,040
burdensome. The October deadline is not

2435
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,040
realistic given that the March election

2436
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,880
is not it's not going to be successful.

2437
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,400
So, let's let's refine that um a little

2438
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,880
bit and and stop putting unnecessary

2439
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:15,520
pressure on staff and the architects for a false deadline that we're probably

2440
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,760
not even going to we're probably not

2441
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:21,520
even going to meet anyway. Um

2442
01:40:21,520 --> 01:40:24,159
so I don't know if that's helpful, if

2443
01:40:24,159 --> 01:40:27,600
that's enough comments for you, Christa.

2444
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:31,119
Um, so just to summarize, so um, so

2445
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:32,960
okay, so we're we're not going to

2446
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,719
include an option that doesn't have a

2447
01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:37,679
fire station. Um,

2448
01:40:37,679 --> 01:40:39,520
we're going to spend some time and happy

2449
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:41,840
to do it to look at the Sleepy Hollow,

2450
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:44,639
excuse me, Sanelmo station 20, which is

2451
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:46,080
called the Sleepy Hollow Station, but

2452
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:49,440
it's in Sanelmo and um, our Fairfax

2453
01:40:49,440 --> 01:40:54,800
station 21. And um we uh really glad to

2454
01:40:54,800 --> 01:41:01,520
hear that the 12week um 12week was I've said all along is not uh not

2455
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:04,960
feasible, not reasonable. So um I will

2456
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,960
work with um David and I will work with

2457
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:08,960
Gendler to come up with another

2458
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,840
amendment to their scope of work to look

2459
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,920
uh more closely at the programming

2460
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:17,679
square footage um and to look at the um

2461
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:19,520
these other two stations that have been

2462
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:22,800
talked about. Letha and um and so I'll

2463
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,159
be I'll bring the I'll bring something

2464
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:26,719
back in your October 8th agenda for the

2465
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:28,400
an amendment for you guys can to look

2466
01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:30,080
at. It's not going to be ready for your

2467
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:32,320
next your next council meeting. Not not

2468
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:34,560
a not not amendment. It won't be ready.

2469
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,159
Um so we will just keep on trucking

2470
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:42,320
along and um I think this is great.

2471
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:44,080
Happy to have more time to do better

2472
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,159
work. So, something that I'd like to be

2473
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:48,400
also included is you mentioned that the

2474
01:41:48,400 --> 01:41:51,360
paramedics have this contract and it was

2475
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,600
all based on a completely different

2476
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:54,719
master plan.

2477
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:56,320
>> I'm sorry, I I missed that first part.

2478
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:56,719
You said

2479
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:59,360
>> paramedics, we have a a a contract with

2480
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:02,719
them that refers to a previous master

2481
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,480
plan that we're redoing.

2482
01:42:04,480 --> 01:42:06,159
>> No, it doesn't exist.

2483
01:42:06,159 --> 01:42:08,800
>> It it states, and I want to correct

2484
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,320
David Kelly said it was 2,50 ft. The

2485
01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:15,199
lease agreement is 2150 square feet.

2486
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:17,119
>> Yeah. So what I would love as a part of

2487
01:42:17,119 --> 01:42:20,239
this is we that was based on the facil's

2488
01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:22,560
master plan that does not exist anymore.

2489
01:42:22,560 --> 01:42:24,159
>> That was where they took that number

2490
01:42:24,159 --> 01:42:26,480
from which was a separate building that

2491
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:28,320
wasn't a part of this shared.

2492
01:42:28,320 --> 01:42:30,480
>> So again, we are all going to make

2493
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,480
concessions in trying to figure this

2494
01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:35,040
out. They're not contributing $1 to the

2495
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:36,560
construction cost of building that

2496
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,119
paramedic facility. So, I'm not going to

2497
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:42,320
I don't want us to be beholden to some

2498
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,639
agreement that was signed about square

2499
01:42:44,639 --> 01:42:46,800
footage of a previous master plan that

2500
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,880
doesn't exist anymore. So, that's I want

2501
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:49,840
to be very clear because I don't want to

2502
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:51,280
be, oh, well, we have to have this

2503
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,040
certain square footage because that was

2504
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,280
what was agreed to. That plan is out the

2505
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:58,320
window. So, what we need to do again is

2506
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,199
not take the constraints of that don't

2507
01:43:01,199 --> 01:43:03,600
exist. we have a a blank sheet of paper

2508
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,440
and create a plan that works for

2509
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:07,920
everybody and to not say that oh Mary

2510
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,400
McGrath and this it is a new plan based

2511
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,440
on our budget what we can do and I

2512
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:16,000
really highly recommend you use the CAC

2513
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:18,560
because I think they understand this and

2514
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,840
stop trying to create this monstrosity

2515
01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:23,360
of things that you're saying we have to

2516
01:43:23,360 --> 01:43:26,400
do we it's our budget it's our town we

2517
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,400
get to decide what we want to build

2518
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:29,840
>> that is not direct we'll have to

2519
01:43:29,840 --> 01:43:32,320
agendaize that for a future future um

2520
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:34,320
council discussion. It would need a

2521
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:37,040
majority of the council to

2522
01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,280
>> um right now you are you have a an

2523
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:41,040
agreement, an a signed agreement.

2524
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:43,600
>> Let's please agendaize it. Thank you.

2525
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:45,920
>> You'll have to say that I

2526
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,000
>> Okay, Elizabeth, will you join me in

2527
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,159
agendaizing the paramedic lease? What

2528
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:51,679
how much square footage we have to have?

2529
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,920
>> Well, I I mean I think we should be

2530
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:56,800
talking often about the entire project

2531
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,239
and ensure that can include the

2532
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:02,000
paramedic lease. I mean, I think that um

2533
01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,239
it's been it's been a challenge

2534
01:44:04,239 --> 01:44:06,800
sometimes to get the building project on

2535
01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:09,440
the agenda and have public comment. And

2536
01:44:09,440 --> 01:44:11,199
yet, the more times we speak about it,

2537
01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:13,280
the more public comment, the more we

2538
01:44:13,280 --> 01:44:15,360
deliberate back and forth. I think the

2539
01:44:15,360 --> 01:44:18,000
closer we are to getting to where the

2540
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,600
community and the and the council want

2541
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,320
to go. So, I think we should I mean we

2542
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:24,239
should keep having meetings though

2543
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:25,440
they're difficult. We should be sure

2544
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:30,080
there's public input and um uh if if you

2545
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:32,239
know Julie you mentioned sharpening our

2546
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:34,719
pencils and uh Bill you mentioned

2547
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:36,960
downsizing and and Christie you

2548
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:42,320
mentioned you know reassessing the the plan if if that's all part of if

2549
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:44,480
that's where we're headed. I mean that's

2550
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:46,719
what this that's what people are saying

2551
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:49,280
this evening. if that also includes the

2552
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,360
paramedic station. I I'm not opposed to

2553
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:52,480
that, but I think we want to do it

2554
01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:55,520
carefully because I mean we we did

2555
01:44:55,520 --> 01:44:57,760
promise to build a paramedic station. We

2556
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,719
want the paramedics here. Um but what

2557
01:45:00,719 --> 01:45:02,560
we're building is a beautiful station

2558
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,080
and none of the other eight

2559
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:05,840
jurisdictions are paying for the

2560
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:08,239
ambulance. So I think that they likely

2561
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:09,600
will stay because we're building a

2562
01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,760
beautiful facility. But if it needs some

2563
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:13,760
tweaks and remains functional and

2564
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,600
beautiful, I think that's probably okay.

2565
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:18,560
I think it it should be what works for

2566
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:21,600
us as well as for the paramedics and it

2567
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,760
perhaps that changes a little bit

2568
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:26,719
because the the overall plan changes but

2569
01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:28,080
I think we want to be careful as we

2570
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:29,360
discuss it

2571
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:33,440
>> and I I'm really worried about the

2572
01:45:33,440 --> 01:45:35,520
paramedics. I'm worried about the

2573
01:45:35,520 --> 01:45:38,880
delivery of the facility by January 1st,

2574
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:40,880
2029.

2575
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:43,520
We all sat here and watched Christa

2576
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:48,239
negotiate with other people. Um, and by

2577
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:50,159
the time the lease was negotiated, it

2578
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:54,880
was on version 27. And we know that a

2579
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:57,119
week before the paramedic authority

2580
01:45:57,119 --> 01:46:00,000
board was going to meet, Kenfield said,

2581
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,400
"Oh, we'll house the paramedics for a

2582
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:05,440
dollar." And somehow all eight members

2583
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:07,600
of that paramedic authority board agreed

2584
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:11,520
that they would stay here and and pay us

2585
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:15,040
$75,000 a year to be here in a new

2586
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:16,560
facility.

2587
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:20,080
And I do I I am really leerary of

2588
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,880
breaching that contract and opening up

2589
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:25,600
those issues. I think it's less likely

2590
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:28,639
of a breach if we honor the space, the

2591
01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:30,159
2150.

2592
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:33,040
Um, I I think they would be reasonable.

2593
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:34,560
I'm hoping they would be reasonable and

2594
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:37,280
agree to some shared services, but I

2595
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:40,639
think it's premature to run around and

2596
01:46:40,639 --> 01:46:42,719
say, you know, we need to renegotiate

2597
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:45,360
the lease because there's a risk that

2598
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:46,880
they're going to say, listen, you guys

2599
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,360
are screwing around. You don't have your

2600
01:46:49,360 --> 01:46:52,400
act together. Kentfield is, you know,

2601
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,520
waiting in the wings.

2602
01:46:55,520 --> 01:47:01,669
It's it's really risky. I agree.

2603
01:47:01,679 --> 01:47:03,760
I feel like we need to agendaize it, I

2604
01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,360
guess, to talk about it.

2605
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:06,639
>> I don't think Elizabeth agreed to

2606
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:09,840
agendaize it now. Um, I mean, I think it

2607
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:11,520
should be agendaized in the context of

2608
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:14,560
our space consideration because if if

2609
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,639
there needs to be a minor tweak to to

2610
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:19,199
the way it's laid out or to the size, I

2611
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:21,920
think then we go to the RVPA board and

2612
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:25,199
say, "Look, we have changed our overall

2613
01:47:25,199 --> 01:47:28,000
plan and we'd like to make some minor

2614
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:30,480
changes that we think still leave of,

2615
01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:32,400
you know, a beautiful facility." I I

2616
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,239
mean, I I don't I don't think that

2617
01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:37,119
that's if if they leave because of that.

2618
01:47:37,119 --> 01:47:38,560
I mean, they're going to leave the as

2619
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:41,760
soon as they move in. I mean, that that doesn't make any sense that a minor

2620
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,600
change means that we've lost the

2621
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:45,600
paramedics. It's also important to know

2622
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,480
that I mean, even as the the fire chief

2623
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,040
points out, in most cases, engines

2624
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,199
arrive first, even when we have an

2625
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:55,440
ambulance right here. So, yes, we want

2626
01:47:55,440 --> 01:47:58,480
them, but they're not they're they're

2627
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:02,000
not arriving first in most of our cases.

2628
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,239
>> So, you you support agenda? I just want

2629
01:48:04,239 --> 01:48:05,760
>> I do. I'm not quite sure when, but I

2630
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:06,800
support agenda. I say

2631
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:08,480
>> because to be very clear, the lease, if

2632
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:11,679
you read it, refers to the KPA

2633
01:48:11,679 --> 01:48:13,920
master facilities plan. That plan

2634
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,239
doesn't exist anymore. So, no matter

2635
01:48:16,239 --> 01:48:19,920
what you may believe this lease is, it

2636
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:21,679
doesn't exist. That plan doesn't exist.

2637
01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:24,000
We're changing it. So, we have to

2638
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,679
obviously let them know what our new

2639
01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:27,600
plan is and discuss it with them

2640
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,600
regardless because that plan that it

2641
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,840
references over and over doesn't exist.

2642
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,440
>> We may not need much in the way of

2643
01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:34,719
changes. I mean, maybe it's fine the way

2644
01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:35,199
it is.

2645
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:36,239
>> It could be open to,

2646
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:39,280
>> but that plan doesn't exist. The point,

2647
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:42,960
>> I guess I'm I I would prefer to discuss

2648
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,920
the paramedic space

2649
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,800
as an agenda item as part of this

2650
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:52,960
overall, you know, space planning that's

2651
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,600
going on rather than putting a separate

2652
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,000
agenda item about the paramedic facility

2653
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,480
lease at this point in time. I think

2654
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:03,760
it's premature. So I I support that. If

2655
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,880
we don't have a constraint saying when

2656
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:08,480
we come back, oh well, we have to put

2657
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:10,480
2150 because that's what's in the lease

2658
01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:12,719
agreement. So that's that's the little

2659
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:14,000
chicken and the egg. Then we have to

2660
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:15,920
agendaize it and talk about it because I

2661
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:17,199
don't believe that that's what the lease

2662
01:49:17,199 --> 01:49:20,239
says. The lease says it's KPA something

2663
01:49:20,239 --> 01:49:22,239
similar to the KPA facilities master

2664
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:27,199
plan, which doesn't exist anymore. So we have to come up with a new plan. So

2665
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:29,360
we can agendaize it or not, but we have

2666
01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:30,960
to this is something that has to change.

2667
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:33,920
We can't just keep it the way it is.

2668
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,159
>> I admonished you earlier not to

2669
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:38,719
interrupt and then I interrupted you. Um

2670
01:49:38,719 --> 01:49:40,400
I I think you're splitting hairs. I

2671
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:43,199
think when we have the agenda item about

2672
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:45,760
the facilities and we're talking about a

2673
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:47,360
square footage of those facilities, it's

2674
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:48,880
fair game within that context of that

2675
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,360
agenda item to talk about what are the

2676
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,360
constraints of that facility and whether

2677
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:54,639
that is a constraint and you can talk

2678
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:56,960
about why you think it's not. Um, but I

2679
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:58,960
don't I agree with the mayor that I

2680
01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:00,159
think it's we don't need to have an

2681
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:01,920
agenda item just on the lease in order

2682
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,280
to have encompass that conversation as

2683
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:08,239
part of the uh facilities that you're

2684
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:10,000
analyzing and the trade-offs you're

2685
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:11,199
going to have to make.

2686
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:13,679
>> Right. So Christa said that just to be

2687
01:50:13,679 --> 01:50:15,360
clear, I didn't Christa said we need to

2688
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:17,119
agendaize this. We need to talk about

2689
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:19,040
this if you change the square footage.

2690
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:20,800
>> She didn't quite say that. But in any

2691
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:22,880
event, I think at the end of the day,

2692
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:24,719
everyone might be saying the same thing.

2693
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:26,080
And when we have these conversations,

2694
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:27,760
when you're making these trade-offs,

2695
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:29,360
there might be follow-on work that has

2696
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:31,360
to occur after the fact. If you have, as

2697
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:33,920
a body decided to do something, we might

2698
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,520
have to revisit the lease. We might not

2699
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,119
have to, but that I think that's

2700
01:50:37,119 --> 01:50:39,119
premature until you have the plan in

2701
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:40,239
front of you and you start making those

2702
01:50:40,239 --> 01:50:42,960
trade-offs.

2703
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,840
>> That's sounds fine to me.

2704
01:50:45,840 --> 01:50:47,199
>> What? What did you say?

2705
01:50:47,199 --> 01:50:48,480
>> I said that sounds fine to me.

2706
01:50:48,480 --> 01:50:51,040
>> Okay, great. Okay, I think that's that's

2707
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:55,920
great. Thank you. Um, any other comments

2708
01:50:55,920 --> 01:50:59,520
since it's almost been two hours?

2709
01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:04,440
Okay, thank you all for being here.