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Well, good evening, and welcome to your town hall having reached the hour of 6 o'clock. I hear by call to order the meeting of the Sawreader town council, and as always remind everybody that's being recorded, and you can watch it back later. Tonight's indication will be given by Ron Bishop, followed by the Pledge of Allegiance led by Cali Gilbert, a seventh-grade student at Sawreada Middle School, and she threw me off because she wore a Mustang shirt, so I said that has to be a high schooler, but she's not.

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She's a Jaguar middle school. So Ron, good evening mayor, vice mayor and town council members.

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As is our custom, let's begin tonight's meeting with the prayer. Heavenly Father,

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we thank you for bringing us together this evening to serve our community. So much of what you

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teach us focuses on service. The Torah instructs us not to harden our heart or shut our hand towards

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our poor brothers. The Quran gives us examples of feeding the hungry and assisting those

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in distress. The Gita tells us to engage in selfless service to others. The Dharma encourages

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helping all sentient beings while working towards one own enlightenment. Modern science recognizes

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the value that selfless acts provide to our own mental and physical health. Father, even modern

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science sees the wisdoms in your teachings. My favorite tale of service comes from the parable of

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the Good Samaritan. The story arrives from St. Luke's letter to someone known simply as Theophilus.

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It's about a man who is robbed and beaten on a road, but unlike a priest in a Levite who pass

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him by, a Samaritan stops to help. The Samaritan tends to the man's wounds, takes him to an inn,

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and pays the innkeeper to look after his charge, illustrating that compassion knows no bounds,

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and one should always love our neighbor as ourself. Our neighbor is any one we see,

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any one we connect with, anyone who is part of our life no matter how small a part that may be,

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a selfless act of service betrayed in a simple story. Father, tonight let us remember the

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of the good Samaritan as we deliberate the future of our community. We thank you for all the

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blessings you've bestowed upon us. May all beings be well. May all beings be happy. May all

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beings be free from suffering. In all your names we pray. Amen.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God

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but indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you, thanks for being here.

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Tell all your classmates it's painless, and if we ever need any others, just recommend it, okay?

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Thanks.

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Mr. Clerk, may I have a roll call please.

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Council Member Brick-Gillespie, here, Council Member Liske, here.

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Council Member Lido, here.

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Council Member Morales, here.

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Council Member Priolo, here.

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Vice Mayor Egbert, here.

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Mayor Murphy, here.

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We have a forum.

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Thank you.

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Next, I have two proclamations. One I'll do an abbreviated one and the other one. I'll have Anna. Do you see Anna here?

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Anna and Nathan and there's our Latvia here. Anybody connected to that community?

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Whereas a change is constant and affects all cities, towns, suburbs, counties, boroughs, townships, rural areas and other places.

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and whereas planners can help navigate the change with data-driven insights and expertise

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that provide better choices for how people work and live, and whereas community planning

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provides an opportunity for all of its residents meaningful, meaningful involvement in making

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choices that determine the future of our community, and whereas the full benefits of planning

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require elected and appointed officials who understand support and demand excellence in

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planning and plan implementation, whereas the American Planning Association has endorsed

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National Community Planning Month as an opportunity to highlight how planning is essential

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to every community, and how planners are uniquely positioned to identify solutions for community's

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most difficult housing transportation and land use questions. And whereas the recognition of

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community planning month highlights the work done by planners in the town of Saarida over the

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last year in conducting extensive public outreach that ensures the public's hopes, values,

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and vision for our future are accurately reflected in the once a decade update to the town's

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long-range general plan. And whereas the celebration of national community planning month

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gives us the opportunity to publicly recognize the participation and dedication of appointed

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planning commission members who have contributed their time and expertise to the improvement of

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the town of Salarita. And whereas we recognize the many valuable contributions made by the

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professional community and regional planners of the town of Salarita and extend our heartfelt

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thanks for the continued commitment to public service by these professionals. Now therefore

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it be resolved that I, Tom Murphy, the mayor of the town of Salarita, on behalf of the town

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council to hereby proclaim the month of October community planning month. In testimony,

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I have here on to set my hand and caused to be affixed the seal of the town of

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Salarita on this 13th day of October 2025. Thank you and congratulations.

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We could have a hand.

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My staff is in here tonight. It's not because I didn't offer

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them the opportunity to step into the spotlight but it's because my staff

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prefers to do their work quietly. There they are a little shy and don't really like

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being in the spotlight. And I think that's emblematic of who planners are in general.

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They're people who want to make a difference, who don't care about who get the credit

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for a job well done. All of us in our department have come to our professions through a diversity

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of professional and educational pass. We'll all share that in common, that we are committed

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to making a difference in our community. And I would be laks not to acknowledge

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that this is doubly true for the citizen planners who serve on our boards and commissions.

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They are volunteers. They don't get paid. We did pay them once with a chicken palm, but that's hardly

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reflective of the work they do for us.

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They dedicate their personal time, energy, and focus on advancing a shared vision for our community.

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I'm grateful for the planners in my life, my boss, my staff, the volunteers who give of themselves

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that shape our communities because they know that our communities in turn shape us.

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One final note, we are in the middle of a 60-day common period on our once-a-decade general

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plan update.

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So please spread the word, planners can only do what we do when citizens like you are

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He's a foodie, so if he did the chicken par, I know it was good, so that's depending.

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And next is November 1st, as the extra mile day, declaring November 1st, 2025 is extra mile

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day encouraging our citizens to wholeheartedly commit to their individual ambitions, family

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friends, and community that go the extra mile and their personal effort, volunteerism,

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and service. This was the second time year that this was requested. And when I think of

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going the extra mile, I think of my colleagues, I think of staff, I think of our community

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that every day works to go the extra mile. So I just was proud and thankful that we could

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be named an extra mile, day, city, and town, in the country.

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Thank you.

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Next we come to call to the public.

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Call the public is now open.

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Individuals may speak for three minutes.

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Folks, emergency persons 10.

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The council cannot discuss matters, not on the agenda.

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However, at the end of the call to the public, council members

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may respond to criticism, request after review the issue,

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or add the topic to a future agenda.

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and I have one, Rick Carrotto?

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Oh, if you have another one, just submit it to Mark,

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the call to the public card.

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Yeah, come on.

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Good evening.

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We'll mail Murphy, Rick Carrotto.

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It's distinguished members of the town council, town staff.

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I'm always, I have a guy that always seems to have a wealth of questions,

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and I drive my wife crazy.

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I thought I could come and share some of that wealth with you this evening.

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So, one question I asked myself is why did I move to Saudi Arabia?

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Was it the clean air?

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Was it the plentiful abundance of water?

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Was it the beautiful topography that surrounds us?

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Then I think how often we forget.

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I wonder how often a court ruling regarding an inappropriate air quality application by

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the Copperwell Monting Project to the ADEQ be suddenly declared valid.

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But I think about how long does an aquifer last draining 2 to 4 billion gallons of water

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from it per year without regulation or intent on a reclamation or replacement?

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I ask myself what is the impact of the ecosystem when we allow the landscape to be decimated

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by extensive digging, explosives, and corrosive acids to reclaim copper ore?

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I have to ask myself how long does air quality remain acceptable for young and old?

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especially those with respiratory disease. I ask, how do we forget our history with the Vulcan

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Materials Research Data? I ask about EPA data, which revealed two micron particular

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matter that this mine will produce, that travels approximately 100 miles. I ask about poisonous

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tailings being exposed to air by trucks traveling through our community to directly go past our children's

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schools. Or how about seepage into groundwater due to the lack of proper monitoring or containment.

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I wonder why the town changes garbage companies in part to reduce the amount of heavy trucks

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that traverse our roads. Yet, no one considers 80,000 pound trucks loaded with rocks, talons,

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explosives, and caustic gossips that will pass along saw reader road through the middle of

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town to get to the freeway 24-7365.

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I have to assume that we forget our history. I have to assume that prior we're just just forgotten.

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I have to assume that the council will sit idly back and allow the Copperworld Monument Project to proceed unabated.

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And almost most unfortunately I have to assume that sometimes we forget our constituents and the people who we serve

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and protect in the name of progress and I ask progress for whom.

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This compromise will compromise the safety and quality of life in this community, Mark my words.

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It is your responsibility to come up with solutions for your jurisdiction.

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You need to get busy passing ordinances to restrict weight limit, restrict hours of passage,

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and assist upon appropriate monitoring of air, water, and land.

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You could be well advised to team up with the City of Tucson with regard to the massive water usage.

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They are vehemently against the amount of water that will be used.

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doing nothing is to be complicit and my final question this evening is to ask why.

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Why did I move to Sarita? If this is a place where no one seems to remember and

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no one seems to care. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Susette,

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for sure.

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Good evening. Thank you. It's my first time speaking. That's okay.

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I should have mentioned the green light comes on and that's when the three-minute

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that starts, but you don't have to touch anything.

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It's done for you.

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Then when the yellow light comes on, you have a minute,

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and then when the red light comes on,

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I'm over.

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You get parachuted out through the ceiling.

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Well, again, my name is Suzette Rocher.

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I'm a resident of Salureida for one year.

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And also an artist in your hallway.

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And I really appreciate living here.

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I do have an issue that I would like you, the Samaritans,

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as the beginning of the meeting brought forth is that you take in consideration that there are people.

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I live in a very small, I live in a 55-plus community.

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I have no room and I have no walls on the side of my unit and I have no back wall to mine.

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I am completely open. In my community I will be fined and I could, my landlord could be given a reason that I'm not a good tenant.

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And it's because of the recycling bin. I know it may seem like a small thing, but I have no room.

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absolutely no room and I would really appreciate if you could take

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in consideration I'm not the only one. I'm just the only one here tonight that

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came here but there are lots of us

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That have such small areas, and some have walls, which they can hide the recycling bin behind. And that would be great. And if I did, I wouldn't be here. I'd be at home with my cats. But I don't. And it will subject me to a lot of pain. And I mean, I could be kicked out of my place because it would give the landlord a reason that I'm not a good tenant, which I am a, well,

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Well, I am a good tenant.

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I don't make any problems.

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I'm very quiet.

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I did hear the presentation many, many months ago

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when the change was going to happen.

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And I accepted it.

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I had that company.

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I had waste management for nine years, never a problem.

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I may be the only one, but I never had an issue with them

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in four different places I lived.

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and then I had to give them up and that was okay I didn't have recycling been there it's not

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that I don't want to recycle I'm one of one person and I don't and I don't have a lot of garbage

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and whatever I do recycle I do recycle but I do it on my own and so I would just like the

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of the council to take that in consideration

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and to please help us because we're in trouble.

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And I just really don't want to move

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and I don't want to do anything that's not acceptable.

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So if you have a minute, a little while,

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we actually have an update on that

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a little bit later on the agenda.

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So if you have a look,

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it's not a very long meeting tonight.

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So if you can stick around for a little while.

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I got my red note.

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No, you're okay.

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Okay. Okay. Well, thank you very much. Thank you very much. I put the pair of shoes for you.

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I appreciate it. Thank you very much.

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I had no other speaker cards, so we'll move to brief

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Council and town manager summary of current events.

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Mr. Mayor, before this. Yes.

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Can we have, give her the, just because you can't stay, can we get her the contact information

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to talk to somebody in the waste collection here?

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Well, Nalo and Daniel are out there.

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So wave your hand so she knows those guys back there. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure

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Thank you. Appreciate it

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Council member Lidle any updates?

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Oh no I'm nothing right now. Debbie? Him? Yes?

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Please proceed. I want to thank the please department. I went to national night out. I thought it was really great. I'm just disappointed it wasn't a bigger turnout

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out, but it was really very, very good, and then glad I attended.

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I also attended with the mayor, and I know you didn't talk about this, is the Central

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Arizona Project Water User Stakeholder Meeting, and that was beautiful, where the setting

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I learned at Arizona, Sedora, Desert Museum, and that was very good and very informational.

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and then comes Mama Morales and I had our second

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our coffee with comfort.

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So we're planning another one.

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We're sort of changing locations.

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So we had a couple of people that showed up

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we were at Lapisadas at this time.

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We're sort of aiming for November,

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Friday, November 21st at Rancho.

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So please, everyone's inviting you

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not to live in those areas, but we'd love to hear from you.

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And it's a great way to also talk to us and be with us.

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That's just questions.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Council

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member Lido, yourself and myself. We were at the annual SAWA conference, and it was excellent.

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I know your voices are heard, and we are studying the water issue, and we are attending the conferences, and asking the questions.

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and there is concern about our aquifer and we are going to meetings and listening and

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asking and inquiring and being exposed to lots of wonderful presentations that, you know,

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knowledge is power and new information shapes, new avenues of inquiry and also answers questions.

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So your voice is heard.

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Thank you, Dr. Lesby.

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On Friday, I was happy to attend the Center Read of Fire District's Pancake Breakfast.

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It was great.

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There were tons of pancakes, and it was just a lot of fun.

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It's a great service, and the fire district does for the community, so happy to attend.

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Very pleased to attend.

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Thanks.

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Vice mayor.

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I appreciate that.

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Moving.

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Yes.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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And I hope you got your fill of pancakes, Dr. Gillespie.

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there. They always were abundant. Parking is always fun because there's so many

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people that want to attend, but that's always interesting. And just to reiterate,

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you know, back-to-back, C-A-P, and then the Sawa presentations on water also

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attended the Sawa Rita Rotary Murder Mystery Dinner, which was really well

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attended. So we raised probably a little, approaching $3,000, and the scouts served

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at it. So the monies are going to be used for supporting the scouts. Some's going to

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the Celarita band, which is the only band in Arizona that will be represented at the

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250th celebration in D.C. and July, as well as a kinder reading program that one of the

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members wrote a book, Grandpa Gardiner, about planning a seed and having it germinate.

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So that was, that was a really wonderful event as well.

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And fortunately, I wasn't able to attend the breakfast.

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I had to be somewhere else.

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And I wasn't able to attend the national night out,

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which I think was the first time I missed that one

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because I had to be somewhere else as well.

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But I'm glad we had nice representation

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for my colleagues at those events.

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And Shane, I know you're not on for the big presentation,

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but if there's anything that you'd like to touch on.

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Thank you, Mayor and members of the council.

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I think I will turn some time over to Beth.

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We have an introduction for you,

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and then I'll take just a few minutes by way of.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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They actually lances on a surprise,

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because I got to sit with him before he was actually a Luke,

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sorry, at a event that I was able to attend with him.

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Well, Mr. Mayor and Council,

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it might not be a surprise for you,

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but it's a surprise for Luke.

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We're introducing him to you tonight.

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He thought he was just going to attend quietly,

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but this is Luke Smith.

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He is our new management analyst,

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and that you'll get to know him better.

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He'll be doing the legislative presentations to you

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on a monthly basis that you've kind of gotten used to.

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He'll also be working with our new legislative ambassador

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and you'll probably be seeing him at more events as well.

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So if you see Luke, he's with us.

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He's okay.

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Now the first requirement is you have to present

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for at least 30 minutes right now.

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Oh, sure.

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Very cool.

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I'm just writing quotes.

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Right.

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The French is a bright quote.

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Right.

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Now, you don't have to speak that long, but you're time will come when you get to free

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fuss and we'll get to ask questions.

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Okay.

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So welcome to the team.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Thank you, Beth.

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Thank you, Beth.

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Thank you, Luke.

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Yeah, so quickly, I just wanted you as a council to know that your staff is continuing to

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to have productive discussions with the zoo representatives to advance that by way of

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a pre-annxation development agreement. Drafts are going back and forth. And as long as

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the conversations continue, we see progress. So I'm pleased to make that report to you.

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We are targeting your December meeting to have that pre-annxation development agreement in

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front of you. So that's actually, it's going to be right around the corner for us to stay

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to and we're excited about that.

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We're also continuing dialogues with Asarco on annexations to the north.

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And so those conversations continue.

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So again, anytime you're at the table having conversation and dialogue, it's progress.

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Wanted just to remind you, we have your regularly scheduled counseling in November 10th, but then

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And we have a special work, a full day retreat on the strategic plan that's scheduled for

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November 24th, and that's an all day retreat, and it's really geared up to help us as staff

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in the implementation process for priority-based budgeting.

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So again, mark your calendars, and if you can be there, really need your voices at the table

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to help us work through that strategic plan update.

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Yep.

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Thank you.

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That's all I have. Thank you. Appreciate it. As Shane mentioned, November 10th Monday is our next regularly scheduled meeting. We move to item number eight, which is our consented agenda. I want to take an emotion at this time.

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I'll motion.

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We have a motion in a second. All those in favor. Signify by aye.

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Hi. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? Motion carries. Mr. Clerk, item number 9a please.

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Discussion and possible action regarding wire to telecommunication license and right away use agreement with Ripple Fiber Arizona LLC.

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Thank you and not only did Ron do our invocation, he's also our chief technologist and will present this item and welcome representatives from Ripple Fiber Arizona LLC who will be presenting

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in person and potentially virtually but good evening Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, Town Council members, thank you for your time. Once again, with me is Noel Delala.

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She's the Director of Government Affairs for Ripple Fiber and they are proposing to build here in the town and expand fiber services. So with that, I'll hand it off to Noel.

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And you came a long ways and we appreciate that.

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Yes.

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A few of us got to meet you at the League of Cities and Towns.

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Yes.

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Thank you for coming.

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Happy to be here in front of you guys.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak with you tonight.

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For Ripple Fiber, we are Fiber Internet Service Provider

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looking at a project here in the town of Saarida.

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We are America's brightest and fastest Internet provider.

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That's why our color is so vibrant.

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We're here to make ripples and celebrate others

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who do the same where for connected communities.

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And we want to be part of the communities that we enter into and support you guys throughout the life of the project.

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We're here to stay in all like some of the other companies will come in and build out a construction project in Leave Town.

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We want to be here and part of the community for the long term.

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Some of the benefits of fiber for liability being one because it's made of glass.

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It's going to be less susceptible to environmental degradation and an impact or outages from the elements.

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It has faster speeds, lighting fast to be exact.

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It actually travels at the speed of light.

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It's scalable as our technology on the back end advances.

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So we don't have to go back in and lay new fiber lines.

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We can just upgrade things on the back end.

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And then we also offer symmetrical speeds,

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unlike traditional cables as well.

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We call it future proof because we have the capacity

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to grow with the demand as we're ever increasing

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in this digital age.

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And AI is only going to get bigger.

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and there's going to be more needs for data, increased data capacity, fiber has that capability.

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Fiber also helps support smart homes, multiple connected devices in a home,

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telemedicine, remote work, distance learning, and streaming. It also shows studies have shown

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that it can help increase home values, and here's some additional economic benefits

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that studies have showed. So in addition to increasing home values, it also has been shown to,

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is that okay. It's been shown to increase average income as well by $1,450 in one year and

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also creates new jobs in the community as well. These are some of the packages that we offer. So we

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We have a half gig for $65 a month.

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We have a one and two gig for $85 and $95 a month.

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And that was one and two gigs.

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We offer price for life.

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So that's not going to increase on you.

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And you'll see that with them.

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You'll get an introductory rate.

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And then they'll like the prices with us.

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You get price for life with no hidden fees.

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And this includes connection and installation as well.

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How are you able, just with inflation and things like that,

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how are you able to lock in something a price for life?

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We've just built it into our business model,

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so that's something that's important to our founders

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and to kind of circle back a little bit

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to our founders, they are from overseas.

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So they're from South Africa,

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they have extensive experience building out fiber networks overseas

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and then it was during the COVID pandemic that they looked

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to the US and saw that we were still behind compared

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to a lot of other countries even in our needs

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for fiber and the access. We learned that during COVID, we learned from home, work from home.

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Absolutely. We always talk about water, sewer and roads, but now...

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Yeah, and you have multiple people, somebody, but working from home, somebody's doing

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remote learning, somebody's streaming or gaming, and we really saw kind of the bottleneck

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of some of the existing technology. So that's when they decided to move to the US, started up in

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work very excited to be coming to Saudi as well. We have, you know, a history of happy customers.

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Part of the reason for that is because of our community engagement and our commitment to the

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communities that we go into. So we really want to invest in the community, be part of the community,

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and work with you guys on, you know, sponsoring events and community outreach. And we, you know,

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join the Chamber. We've already been working with the Chamber of Commerce here. And just like we

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We read the state of the town, yes, so that's something that's very important to Ripple

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Fiverr.

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H-O-A engagement is also something that's important to us.

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We have a team of community development.

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Members and community liaison that will work closely with the HOA's and do events and will bring out coffee trucks and cone ice trucks and have the opportunity for that Q&A.

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A high level overview of our construction process. So once we kind of get through the engineering and permitting phase, then we will start calling and locates, our teams will call and locate. So they're going to go on mark the ground of areas that are coming up on construction. Then our teams will go out, start building, and then we'll have a restoration team that comes in behind them to restore.

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or just restore the area and then followed by that

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is customer installation.

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Here's an example of what that kind of looks like.

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There'll be a little access points

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about every other home or so

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so that when customers call the technician just comes out

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and they can connect each customer.

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Would that be using micro-trenching along the roadways

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or do you use a different technology?

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So we are what we've designed for Saudi Arabia

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is boring primarily.

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So we would not be utilizing micro-trenching.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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There might be some aerial deployment areas as well, which we would overlash on the

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existing.

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Well, within a residential road, how would boring look, is it with a sidewalk or with a curb

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with a-

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So it would be in the softscape, so in the right of way, so in that first few feet of right

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of way, we would be boring in that softscape.

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Okay.

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That's usually where there's no irrigation for, because you have road, curb, buffer, side

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and then you hit the residential irrigation and such, right?

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Yeah, so in that event, we also, something that we offer,

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and I saw one of the next slides, but we offer black flags

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for residents so that they can mark any type of irrigation lines,

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any electrical fences that may be in the right of way.

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They can go ahead and mark those so our crews can be mindful,

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but we do have a dedicated team to, if they call them the green team,

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and I think on the next slide, they are a dedicated team

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of landscape professionals and they will make sure that everyone's right of way or their

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yard has been restored to as good as conditions we found it or better.

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So whether it be, you know, matching sod or plants or if restoring it, yeah, exactly.

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So we have this team that comes in behind that's something that I think we do differently

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than some other companies.

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For residents, if they have any questions or concerns, we have a pretty advanced online

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ticketing system and those queries can be directed to us and they'll be turned around

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to our local team to respond.

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Here's an example of some of the types of communications that go out.

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So pre-construction, we want to make sure that residents are adequately notified of what we're

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doing in the area.

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So we will send out letters to the homes and we'll follow that up with postcard mailers and

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then we'll have a team a couple days ahead of construction go out and play store hangers

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some people's stores so that if they have any questions or concerns they can direct

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that to us.

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Obviously you guys have our information as well so if anything bubbles up to the administration

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you know how to contact us but it's our goal to minimize that as much as possible by making

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sure that residents have been adequately notified on the front end.

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We also will work with you know it's sponsoring various community events and HOA events to

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make sure that the word gets out about who we are and what we're doing in the neighborhood

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overhead as well, then our crews will have construction cards that they can hand to residents

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if they have any questions and direct them to our local team.

453
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And then once we have construction completed, then our marketing and sales team will sort

454
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:43,880
of start their efforts, their kickoff efforts for that, and that will be post cards, you

455
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,860
know, additional events, and then met ads as well.

456
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,920
Here's kind of an overview of our footprint ripple fiber in the US, so we have Arizona on there.

457
00:33:55,260 --> 00:33:59,140
What's the difference between the yellow and the blue light blue and dark blue?

458
00:33:59,220 --> 00:34:05,820
Great question. So recently, we were excited to announce that we merged with our sister company, hyper fibers.

459
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,060
So the blue areas are the states that are still currently operating under the hyper fiber brand,

460
00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:13,740
even though we have merged this one company under ripple fiber.

461
00:34:13,740 --> 00:34:21,500
The dark blue is the light blue, so the dark blue are not states that we've built it.

462
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,000
So and then everything green is ripple fiber brand and eventually those blue states will

463
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,420
transition to the ripple fiber brand but yeah for now they're still hyper.

464
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:33,540
And that is all I have.

465
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,040
So if there's any questions I'd be happy to answer them.

466
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:36,740
Thanks.

467
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:40,180
Timeline, a couple of questions.

468
00:34:40,180 --> 00:34:45,220
one timeline and then also how do you determine I'm assuming master plan

469
00:34:45,220 --> 00:34:49,480
communities would probably be first or sort of top of list because that's a

470
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,720
lot of penetration and then you have the rural areas so when do you think

471
00:34:54,340 --> 00:34:58,320
construction will be starting maybe about when it will be finished and then how do

472
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,240
you determine because you can't do the whole town all at once but how do you

473
00:35:01,240 --> 00:35:05,600
determine where you start and kind of cascade down. No no no that was not the

474
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,260
We'll take it.

475
00:35:07,060 --> 00:35:10,540
No, that would cut you about 50% and a half,

476
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:11,880
but it's not about me.

477
00:35:12,220 --> 00:35:13,820
They were asking.

478
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,040
Yeah, so a lot of that depends on our engineering team.

479
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,500
So once we have our agreement approved,

480
00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:23,020
then we would start permitting.

481
00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:24,880
And so once those permits have been approved,

482
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,560
then we'd start scheduling construction.

483
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,200
And we usually kind of work in sectors of the city at one time.

484
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,280
So not all over the city or the town at one.

485
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,380
so we'd be in one area and then we kind of move on to the next and we'd

486
00:35:36,380 --> 00:35:40,280
notify folks as we go and we'd love to you know partner with the town if

487
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,560
there's any additional means of notification whether it's newsletters or

488
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,240
other avenues you guys might have available just anything we can do to get

489
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:52,160
word out about where we're we're gonna be at next but yes to your point out the

490
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,720
HOAs we will we have a separate division that works with making sure we've

491
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,100
gotten all of our right of entry agreements with the HOAs and then anything

492
00:36:00,100 --> 00:36:03,960
that's in town on right away, we'd be working with the town to permit those areas.

493
00:36:04,340 --> 00:36:09,980
Right, and when you merged, was that a combination of some people from Hyper and then some from

494
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:16,120
Ripple, because obviously there's duplication in a lot of these positions, how did that go so far for you?

495
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:22,260
Yeah, so it's been going well. Ripple fiber pretty much absorbed Hyper fiber.

496
00:36:22,460 --> 00:36:26,000
And I think our initial introduction into Arizona was under the Hyper fiber brand.

497
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:31,060
but we've since transitioned that over to Ripple so we've you know merged team

498
00:36:31,060 --> 00:36:36,080
members and yeah so we're looking forward to working with you guys as Ripple

499
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,140
Fiber going forward and then as far as timeline and you brought that up as

500
00:36:40,140 --> 00:36:44,560
well our typical timeline for construction is about two years so once we start

501
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,040
construction to when we were done is that's our ideal kind of a role obviously that

502
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:54,500
can change just based on different factors but yeah but as you construct can

503
00:36:54,500 --> 00:36:57,980
and those communities be brought online and utilize it

504
00:36:57,980 --> 00:37:00,520
or do you have to have the whole town

505
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:01,580
taken care of before you go back?

506
00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,200
Yes, no, that's a great question.

507
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,740
So, no, we do not have to have a complete town built out

508
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:08,920
before we can connect customers,

509
00:37:09,380 --> 00:37:11,420
part of something that our engineers do is,

510
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,820
they engineer it so that we can connect as you go.

511
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,000
So as we're building out,

512
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,960
those customers are getting connected.

513
00:37:17,500 --> 00:37:18,980
We don't want them to have to wait until,

514
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,540
you know, we don't know if it helps financially,

515
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:21,520
you don't want to put.

516
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:22,140
Absolutely.

517
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:24,980
Wait for years and make nothing off of it.

518
00:37:25,060 --> 00:37:29,360
Well, and it's kind of helps, it's construction could be a little bit disruptive on the front end,

519
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,600
but it helps when you're getting faster service, you know, available quickly.

520
00:37:33,100 --> 00:37:34,180
So, yeah.

521
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:34,940
Thanks.

522
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,440
Questions to my left, any other questions?

523
00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:41,000
Yes, will you be covering the entire town?

524
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,620
So I think we're covering a very large portion of the town.

525
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:51,780
I know there's some other fiber companies that are maybe working with you guys as well.

526
00:37:52,420 --> 00:37:58,380
It's not in Ripple's business mall to over build anybody else, so we don't want to be coming in behind somebody else

527
00:37:58,380 --> 00:38:05,120
It's just dug up someone's yard. So we'll usually pivot and kind of you know try to they they bob we weave

528
00:38:05,490 --> 00:38:08,920
So the fastest ones get the worms, so to speak

529
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:20,940
Do you have a good relationship working with the other companies as far as coordination where they're going and you're going?

530
00:38:20,940 --> 00:38:27,140
Yeah, so our team is very well versed in a lot of and all the markets that we're in as far as being very aware and

531
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:31,360
coordinating as far as whereas other competitors are and you know

532
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,080
we have people doing right out so we have them constantly monitoring kind of the existing landscape so we again

533
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:43,060
We don't want to be just too disruptive to the community and you know come right behind somebody who's just their

534
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:49,520
Guards just been restored and now here's another person coming so that's something that we as a fiber we don't intend to do

535
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,820
Okay, thanks. Any questions from Ed?

536
00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:59,720
Yes. There's a lot of talk between fiber and copper.

537
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,500
Can you explain the differences in the speed, for instance?

538
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:10,540
And in maintenance, a copper breaks and splits and has to get surprised to

539
00:39:10,540 --> 00:39:13,660
may take three or four days a time, depending on the size of the cable.

540
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:22,380
So how would the fiber sensitize glass and light, how would that compare?

541
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,000
Yeah, so that's a very good question, very technical question.

542
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,580
But as best as I can answer that question, so we can install the fiber very quickly.

543
00:39:35,180 --> 00:39:39,040
It's, you know, once the conduits in the ground, our technician is able to blow the fiber through there.

544
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,240
and it happens all very, very quickly.

545
00:39:41,420 --> 00:39:43,720
It's not a, you know, several days delay.

546
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,300
So once that boring has taken place,

547
00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:48,600
our crews are coming in and out very quickly

548
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:49,080
into the neighborhood.

549
00:39:49,300 --> 00:39:50,560
So it's going to minimize disruption,

550
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,280
as far as the speeds.

551
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:53,880
Yes, fiber has a capacity.

552
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,400
It's, you know, like I said, we have two gigs,

553
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,580
but we have the capacity to go way beyond that,

554
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,240
just as technology advances on the back end,

555
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:04,160
which cable is definitely.

556
00:40:04,660 --> 00:40:06,880
Rob, did you want to touch on upload and download

557
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,560
Well, and how those differ.

558
00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:12,960
Councilman, I don't have the numbers off the top of my head,

559
00:40:13,180 --> 00:40:16,040
but Copper has been around forever in a day.

560
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:20,220
Yeah, and it's not nearly as fast as Fiber.

561
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,580
If I remember correctly.

562
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:25,420
How about 18 and a half to one?

563
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,320
It could be, yeah.

564
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,640
Copper, I'm going to say three gigs,

565
00:40:33,700 --> 00:40:36,060
and that's not even per second, and that's probably

566
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:42,680
not even right, whereas fiber is just, yeah, can go light speed comparatively, yeah.

567
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,480
And so you get, and you, yeah, actually it won't go on and on.

568
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,020
Oh, no.

569
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:48,720
Because I could.

570
00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:53,420
It's sort of like the auto-bond against the rural road probably, right?

571
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,540
Yeah, and it's, you know, they're both very reliable.

572
00:40:57,660 --> 00:41:00,240
And yeah, copper's been around for a reason.

573
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,760
but yeah, fiber is the way to go for high transition.

574
00:41:06,060 --> 00:41:09,380
And there is a bottleneck too, so if you've ever noticed with cable,

575
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,140
you know, maybe there's certain times where your internet is slower

576
00:41:12,140 --> 00:41:14,480
than others, it's because there's more people on the network.

577
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,300
With fiber, you have a dedicated line to your home

578
00:41:17,300 --> 00:41:19,780
and so that's not going to, you're not going to get the same delay.

579
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:21,620
Nice.

580
00:41:22,180 --> 00:41:22,780
Thank you.

581
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:24,060
Any other questions?

582
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:25,060
Yep.

583
00:41:25,580 --> 00:41:26,360
You're very well.

584
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,540
We'll get your addresses.

585
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:29,140
Yeah.

586
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,320
I'll collect them, make sure they're on earth.

587
00:41:31,340 --> 00:41:32,720
For the public, I'm teasing.

588
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,180
They'll go where they need to go and when they want to go there.

589
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,320
I'll understand emotion at this time.

590
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:38,740
Anybody?

591
00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:39,420
Mayor?

592
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:39,780
Yes.

593
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:46,260
I've moved to approve the Warrantel Communications License and right away use agreement with

594
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:47,080
Ripple Fiber.

595
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Second.

596
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,800
They have a motion in a second.

597
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:50,760
Any other discussion?

598
00:41:51,580 --> 00:41:52,340
All those in favor?

599
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,540
Signify by eye?

600
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,220
Aye.

601
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:55,320
Any opposed?

602
00:41:56,460 --> 00:41:57,600
Welcome and congratulations.

603
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:58,720
Thank you.

604
00:41:58,720 --> 00:41:59,660
You're being at the state of the town.

605
00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:00,520
Thank you.

606
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:01,400
Happy to be here.

607
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,980
Mr. Clerk, item 9B, please.

608
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,200
Solid waste program rollout update.

609
00:42:09,820 --> 00:42:10,220
Thank you.

610
00:42:10,420 --> 00:42:13,020
Daniel Logan, our deputy public works director,

611
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:14,600
will present this item.

612
00:42:14,820 --> 00:42:18,180
And he's probably sick of me texting him and emailing him

613
00:42:18,180 --> 00:42:19,100
all hours of the day.

614
00:42:19,140 --> 00:42:23,380
I saw a green can out there, so he's been very not today.

615
00:42:23,540 --> 00:42:25,860
Not today, because you're doing such a great job.

616
00:42:26,260 --> 00:42:26,560
Welcome.

617
00:42:28,820 --> 00:42:29,100
OK.

618
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:33,500
Okay, good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, TMO.

619
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Tonight I would like to say before you with a new subject, but I am not.

620
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:48,140
I think we're going on our eighth night, I've lost count, as long as I've been here.

621
00:42:48,340 --> 00:42:53,840
But tonight I am very, very happy to share with you how far we've come.

622
00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:01,200
Since my first day here, January 27th, the day that you voted this ordinance into town

623
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:06,140
policy, I've been at work on this thing, had an amazing team working with me.

624
00:43:06,860 --> 00:43:11,600
I asked that I could come before you tonight to share with you what we accomplished in

625
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,800
the last eight, nine months.

626
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:23,600
So first, like I said, two very important things happened in my life on January 27th.

627
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,740
This was voted into policy, right?

628
00:43:25,900 --> 00:43:28,140
The ordinance was put into policy for a

629
00:43:28,140 --> 00:43:29,560
solid way soul source provider,

630
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,880
and that was my first day at work here.

631
00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:37,280
The community outreach, we began the very next day, right?

632
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,500
I think it was 11 o'clock at night when you guys voted this

633
00:43:41,500 --> 00:43:44,220
thing in and said, okay, go forth and figure this thing out.

634
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:49,860
So we got some direction from you guys that was outreach,

635
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:51,720
outreach, outreach, letter community,

636
00:43:51,720 --> 00:43:55,360
We know what's going on, going on, bring them with you.

637
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,420
We had the cart delivery, cart removals, and then of course the start of services all

638
00:44:01,420 --> 00:44:04,320
set forth for September 1st.

639
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:11,430
So one thing we wanted to do is increase the awareness of the new program and the benefits.

640
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:14,610
It was a robust community communication plan.

641
00:44:15,210 --> 00:44:20,450
That started, like I said, right after we walked out after that vote.

642
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:24,870
So, Haley went to work, I met Haley, and then we went to work.

643
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:30,830
If anybody has not seen this turn off the autopay, if you haven't seen this in the town

644
00:44:30,830 --> 00:44:33,750
of Saudi Arabia by now, I'm not doing my job.

645
00:44:34,170 --> 00:44:37,270
I believe that everybody has seen this at least one time.

646
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:43,750
We went to work at the newspaper, we visited the HOAs, we did personal appearances, shook

647
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:49,830
hands, we did the radio, we did the internet, we did our website, we did the HOA websites.

648
00:44:49,830 --> 00:44:52,670
We did everything we possibly could.

649
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:54,170
I had neighbors talking to neighbors.

650
00:44:54,170 --> 00:44:55,530
We're doing phone calls.

651
00:44:56,330 --> 00:44:59,810
I'm not even sure at this point how many residents I've met.

652
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:25,620
We're going to talk to you, but we've been trying to get out there as much as possible. Digital methods, like I said, the FAQs were built, the Facebook, Haley, just on top of responding back to residents as fast as we could. It wasn't nearly fast enough for the residents, and we understand that there was only a few of us, but we're doing the best we could to get back to everybody. And I think overall we got the message out to our public.

653
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,800
So there was some clear steps that we wanted to develop in this communication plan.

654
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:38,080
You know, Haley said you have three instructions per postcard.

655
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:43,040
We're going to send out three postcards, go through them, tell them what you need them to hear.

656
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,300
And of course, it turned off the autopage, just became our mantra for this thing.

657
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,180
It's coming, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, turn off that autopay.

658
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,420
You know, cancel your current service, became the next step,

659
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,540
and then return the cards is what our goal was set out to be.

660
00:45:57,420 --> 00:46:03,740
In the middle of all of this, I've never experienced this before, and I don't think anybody

661
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:11,560
has, but Council and you were able to pivot as residents were speaking, which I took

662
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,400
to heart and I thought that was amazing.

663
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:14,780
That's just for me to you.

664
00:46:15,340 --> 00:46:19,680
The support that we received, the team received saying, hey, yet we get it.

665
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:21,420
You guys are working on this massive thing.

666
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:22,760
We're going to support you.

667
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:28,900
The TMO's office was absolutely fantastic, door always open, letting me know what's going

668
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:33,380
on, the mayor telling me constantly there's carts out there, you know, where they were,

669
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:34,620
we're head hunting these things.

670
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:40,100
But really, I wanted to take a minute just to share with you guys the shared been agreements,

671
00:46:40,860 --> 00:46:48,380
the reduced cart sizes, the provision for the large properties that you guys had made and

672
00:46:48,380 --> 00:46:51,020
and even to consider that, never seen anywhere,

673
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,480
and I think it merits being set out loud publicly

674
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,680
that no council anywhere has ever made these

675
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,820
concessions before they've never even considered it.

676
00:46:59,940 --> 00:47:01,400
To me, I found that to be amazing

677
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,540
and was just reinforcement that I'm doing

678
00:47:03,540 --> 00:47:04,920
the right thing with the right people.

679
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,260
So thank you very much for your support in that.

680
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,220
As we work through this, you'll see,

681
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,700
and as you heard in the call to the public,

682
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,360
there's still some things to work on.

683
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:16,580
And this is what I've been communicating with the public,

684
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:18,220
but I'll get into that a little bit later

685
00:47:18,220 --> 00:47:19,600
when we wrap this thing up.

686
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,400
I'm trying to make it as quick as possible.

687
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,900
We have to 11, that's OK.

688
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:25,380
I'm not taking to 11.

689
00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:27,800
I was amazed you moved through the agenda this quick.

690
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,740
Yeah, so August 11th to the 29th.

691
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:38,400
These were the dates that I was absolutely terrified of all

692
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,580
year-long, not looking forward to,

693
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,820
but at the same time looking very forward to.

694
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,700
Our goals were to deliver one trash cart, one recycle

695
00:47:47,700 --> 00:47:52,680
Michael Kart to every home in the town of Saudi Arabia, huge, huge undertaking.

696
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:58,500
This normally on this scale would have been a three-month exercise.

697
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,240
We were able to complete this in three weeks.

698
00:48:02,540 --> 00:48:07,280
Yeah, it was very, I had to call in and circle the wagons on this one.

699
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:13,140
When we first looked at it, we did a Pima County parcel search and

700
00:48:13,140 --> 00:48:15,180
we looked at every residential parcel.

701
00:48:15,940 --> 00:48:20,700
We never had, we didn't have a database here, we had to build that as we, as we went through

702
00:48:20,700 --> 00:48:28,180
this process, what an undertaking. So what we saw was 15,716 homes or parcels rather.

703
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:32,980
We didn't know if those were commercial, we didn't know if there was a foundation on them,

704
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,560
we didn't know if there was a mailbox, we didn't know anything about them,

705
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:42,040
we just knew that there was 15,716 parcels within the town of Saudi Arabia,

706
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,680
and then we had to figure that out.

707
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,380
Well, we come to find out after we did our estimates

708
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:49,600
and everything else, we ordered our carts,

709
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:52,160
got to pick the carts, the carts are beautiful,

710
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:53,140
by the way, I love them.

711
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,340
There was actually 12,392 occupied homes within the town

712
00:48:59,340 --> 00:49:04,160
and that left us with 24,784 carts delivered

713
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,300
and that's what we did.

714
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:11,100
Currently there is 24th, well, I picked up to yesterday, right?

715
00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:19,580
So, the two cars. So, 24,782 carts are out there in the town currently today as we sit here.

716
00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:24,740
But our estimates were very close and very odd. The team was amazing.

717
00:49:25,540 --> 00:49:29,260
We were estimating at first with the 15,000 homes. We knew that we were wrong.

718
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,120
We knew that there were some development, did some estimates, did some judgments.

719
00:49:33,340 --> 00:49:40,740
So, we don't want to go over 30,000 carts. We ended up with just about 26,000 carts that we actually ordered

720
00:49:40,740 --> 00:49:48,520
and are on ground total. So we did hit our little buffer there. We do have carts in the 65s that

721
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:54,300
are available for those residents that wanted them. So we were able to, I don't know, grace of

722
00:49:54,300 --> 00:50:01,280
God, brought it down and helped guide us making every decision right and some luck and some power

723
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:10,340
behind us. So pretty happy about that. Cart removals, as we know, we're still, I put the September 30th

724
00:50:10,340 --> 00:50:13,900
It says the date that this is done, but that's not true.

725
00:50:14,140 --> 00:50:18,860
We know that cart removals, one season, two seasons are gonna happen over the next year.

726
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,640
We still have residents that have them up next to the house.

727
00:50:21,940 --> 00:50:24,740
Maybe they're away, we're still collecting those.

728
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:30,960
But I can tell you with our full time employee with Hector on board, since he's come on board,

729
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:38,040
the second half of his first day with us, he had taken out about two dozen carts that day.

730
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,700
He has been working for the last few weeks.

731
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,120
Today it was two and a half.

732
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:44,580
Oh, there's Hector right there.

733
00:50:45,180 --> 00:50:49,320
That was his second day, I believe, at work.

734
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:52,400
Those were the carts that he got just that morning.

735
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:53,560
So he's been amazing.

736
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:58,420
So one thing that we didn't know is we were,

737
00:50:58,700 --> 00:51:00,400
we were told by Waste Management,

738
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,480
Republic Services, Waste Connections.

739
00:51:02,860 --> 00:51:05,360
We have X amount of customers in town.

740
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,340
So we estimated about 13,000 carts.

741
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:14,680
Our numbers, if you remember, the discussions were about 12,000 just north of 12,000, so we

742
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,100
said, we'll pull the buffer and we'll be plenty good.

743
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:19,720
We estimated 13,000.

744
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:25,240
What we found, it was actually 18,000 plus carts in town.

745
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,900
So it was a much bigger job than what we had estimated.

746
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:32,460
Luckily, things still worked out.

747
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:35,900
We had no idea that we had 18,000 carts out there.

748
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,900
Our partners, you know, I asked them to stay for two extra days.

749
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:41,960
Go back through the town and collect them up.

750
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,320
They did a huge effort there.

751
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,660
We had some hiccups with past providers as they were exiting.

752
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:52,020
They had missed some routes, maybe, or overlooked some things or whatever.

753
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,240
For whatever reason, we had a lot of carts still out there.

754
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:02,500
I estimated about 200 carts that were still full of trash sitting out in front of resident's homes.

755
00:52:03,820 --> 00:52:10,920
So we had to go to work on that one. We came up with a couple of options and then we're working

756
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,620
through there. I asked for patients. I asked for patients of you. I asked for patients of Shane.

757
00:52:16,260 --> 00:52:21,020
I asked the patients from the residents and you gave me that grace and that patience and I appreciate

758
00:52:21,020 --> 00:52:24,520
that because of that, we were able to work through that.

759
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:27,460
We then started taking away loaded carts,

760
00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:30,440
which if you look at Hector, that's the trailer

761
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,240
we were using, and you can't stack loaded carts.

762
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,440
We were taking them out of there,

763
00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:39,300
probably half a dozen at a time, but we got through it.

764
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:42,640
And so the majority of those are gone, you know,

765
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:45,880
and I estimate right now from what we've seen,

766
00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:47,680
we drive through the neighborhoods daily,

767
00:52:48,660 --> 00:52:50,720
even on the weekends, we take a look

768
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,640
And I would estimate that there's a couple dozen left.

769
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:59,940
So for us to have pulled out that many carts in the short amount of time,

770
00:52:59,940 --> 00:53:04,740
like I said, removal of carts we know is it could be a year before we're done

771
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:09,780
seeing all the blue carts, but we're not seeing them anywhere near what they were,

772
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:15,660
a month ago. So fantastic effort, huge amount of energy expended on that.

773
00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:18,720
We're in a great place. We're in a great place.

774
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:22,240
everybody is pretty impressed. They couldn't believe that we could pull that many

775
00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:27,120
carts out that quickly without something like waste management coming in and

776
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:33,120
doing it. Oh, and I'll just throw this little caveat. Council agreed to let

777
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:38,480
me do this for the residents. I do not know of that ever happening before

778
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,160
anywhere just so you know that was one other thing that's never existed before.

779
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,720
Nobody would even consider it before. They'd say it's your problem, not our

780
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:51,200
problem, go forth and do whatever it is that you're going to do. You guys didn't do that.

781
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,380
So thank you for that.

782
00:53:53,420 --> 00:54:03,580
So. Oh yeah. Physically not driving that truck. No, no, you are not. So September 1st, the

783
00:54:03,580 --> 00:54:11,460
day that we were all dreading and looking forward to for months and months and months. The goal

784
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:17,920
Well here was to service all of the talent of Salarita residents with one trash can and one

785
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,120
recycle cart once a week on that same day consolidated.

786
00:54:21,620 --> 00:54:24,620
We thought, well, the big problem here is going to be switching days.

787
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:30,600
It's going to be letting them know, it's going to be, you know, getting them on the program

788
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,540
that you now don't go on a Tuesday and a Thursday.

789
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:38,160
You now go on a Monday or, you know, you did go on a Monday and now you're on Thursday.

790
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:48,820
a huge undertaking. We usually see something in the, like, I mean, 25% missed pickups on,

791
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,140
you know, your first service week because people don't get that message that did not

792
00:54:53,140 --> 00:55:03,300
happen here. Our first day was a holiday and we still had probably maybe a dozen calls

793
00:55:03,300 --> 00:55:08,820
for missed pickup because they didn't realize that the holiday we were still

794
00:55:08,820 --> 00:55:14,300
servicing. I accept that all day long. We were set up for that. We had most

795
00:55:14,300 --> 00:55:18,360
most carts were serviced still that same day. They were out there late that day if

796
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:24,540
not they were picked up the next day. We got through that very quickly. All of this

797
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:31,700
again due to Haley getting that community getting that community word out

798
00:55:31,700 --> 00:55:35,900
and getting that out. Hey, we are servicing on the first. We're servicing. Here's your zone.

799
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:44,500
Here's this GIS building. Christine building the has everybody seen the service. What's your service

800
00:55:44,500 --> 00:55:51,760
day? The GIS live map. Type in your address. It comes up. You can click on the little dot. It was one

801
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:58,440
of the things I threw a fit about. I was like, I want to be able to select the dot and have your address

802
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:06,740
and they pulled it off. They gave it to us. So it's a wonderful map. I've seen close to them.

803
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:15,520
I've never seen anything a product that good. So job well done on that. Just a little bit of

804
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:22,680
outweighs connections for what they pulled off. So in the contract we agreed to average age of the

805
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:29,140
They serve a solowace truck being no more than the average age of their whole fleet being no more than seven years old.

806
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:36,300
We know the life of a truck, it starts to leak, it starts to fall apart, it starts squishing stuff out, it's disgusting.

807
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,880
They look disgusting, they stink.

808
00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:48,840
So here's what waste connections did, they bought four brand new trucks and they had two trucks that were already brand new.

809
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,680
And they said, all six of these trucks are going to South Rita.

810
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,740
And they're going to be dedicated trucks to South Rita.

811
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,880
They are currently servicing us with eight trucks.

812
00:56:59,060 --> 00:57:00,880
They decided that six wasn't enough.

813
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:03,420
They upped out to eight.

814
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,820
And what I did was some actual real research

815
00:57:06,820 --> 00:57:08,660
because I wanted to know what the age was.

816
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,080
I knew those four new trucks were going to throw off the curve,

817
00:57:12,300 --> 00:57:17,420
but I wanted to know exactly the oldest truck that we got was six months old.

818
00:57:17,420 --> 00:57:22,560
And that means our fleet is younger than one year old.

819
00:57:22,700 --> 00:57:28,920
Our average age is about four and a half months, which is why I put under one year, I wanted

820
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:29,780
to verify that.

821
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:30,600
They told me that.

822
00:57:30,940 --> 00:57:33,700
I've seen the trucks, but I wanted to make sure.

823
00:57:33,940 --> 00:57:39,640
But I thought that was, I thought that Meredith being set out loud, that they've exceeded

824
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,820
our expectations thus far, and I'm really happy that we picked them as a partner.

825
00:57:43,820 --> 00:57:44,820
So,

826
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:54,690
next step, no contact list is where we're at today and I wanted to share this with you.

827
00:57:55,430 --> 00:58:00,250
The no contact list, as you can read there, is approximately 1600 homes.

828
00:58:01,250 --> 00:58:06,270
1600 homes that we don't have contact with, meaning they haven't reached out to us, haven't set up an account.

829
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:13,830
Now, before anybody panics, let me just let you know that on a scale and a program this size,

830
00:58:13,830 --> 00:58:18,010
we were anticipating to be at about 4,000 homes right now.

831
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:21,410
At 1,600 we're still doing great.

832
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:24,530
That means our community's involved and we are reaching them.

833
00:58:25,170 --> 00:58:30,210
These last 1,600 homes could be anything from their vacant.

834
00:58:31,350 --> 00:58:34,930
They're seasonal, they're unaware for somehow.

835
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:38,610
I don't know how you can be unaware, but it's possible, I guess.

836
00:58:38,850 --> 00:58:43,270
It's been months since I had a phone call that said I wasn't aware of this going on.

837
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:48,450
honestly or they might in some way be unreachable. So that's what we're

838
00:58:48,450 --> 00:58:54,510
figuring out now. The call to them if they can hear my voice or if they're

839
00:58:54,510 --> 00:58:58,570
watching this or anything else or nobody or you know your neighbor is not

840
00:58:58,570 --> 00:59:02,690
responding. They just need to register that account of waste connections and then

841
00:59:02,690 --> 00:59:05,950
we can figure out what their account status needs to be whether it needs to be

842
00:59:05,950 --> 00:59:11,490
a hold, whether it needs to be a vacancy, whatever it needs to be we will work

843
00:59:11,490 --> 00:59:17,690
through that. So that's my ask of the community at this point. You know, what are we going

844
00:59:17,690 --> 00:59:23,030
to do about that? Here's our next steps. And I wanted to take just a minute to hover

845
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:29,710
over this for a little bit. We're focusing the communication to those 1600 homes. There's

846
00:59:29,710 --> 00:59:35,970
kind of a two-step method on this. There is the, now that we're a month, two months into

847
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:40,930
service, a month and a half, technically, we'll be at two months by the time we're actually

848
00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:46,570
doing this active outreach is, you know, I was asked recently, do we want to send a

849
00:59:46,570 --> 00:59:51,750
mailer out to them and tell them, hey, you know what, you've had the service, you've had the

850
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:56,850
carts, now we're going to, you know, look at fees and fines, absolutely not. That's not our intent,

851
00:59:56,850 --> 00:59:59,090
that's not your intent, that's not my direction.

852
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:27,300
I think the first thing that we do in my recommendation at this point is to go out and actually do the door hangers. So we kept away from the door hangers as we discussed a year ago because there was a sensitivity to what if people are out of town. We didn't want to, you know, do that. So what we're going to do is we're actually going to go out on those service days. I have this master list of these homes that we don't have contact with today.

853
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,800
We're going to go out on their service days, and if we see the carts out, we know they're home.

854
01:00:33,220 --> 01:00:36,080
We know, you know, they just need some help communicating with us.

855
01:00:36,420 --> 01:00:37,540
So we're going to hang on the carts.

856
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:39,300
Hey, give us a call.

857
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:45,540
If we don't see the carts out and they're not being serviced, then they're probably unreachable vacant homes, something like that.

858
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,580
We knock on the door when we try to track down.

859
01:00:47,740 --> 01:00:50,160
That's going to take, you know, a little bit more investigation.

860
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,160
Then after we do that, then we'll send out a mailer again.

861
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,580
But I think we've, I think we've mailed out to these homes at least three, four.

862
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:06,360
I believe we're on our fifth one right now that just probably went out about a two weeks ago.

863
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,420
So I think that was the fifth mailer.

864
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:11,700
So I think mailers at this point for the 1600 aren't going to work.

865
01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:16,120
So this is going to take, this is where we wanted to be, where we're actually walking through the neighborhoods,

866
01:01:16,340 --> 01:01:21,060
knocking on doors and talking to the residents and trying to find some resolution there.

867
01:01:21,060 --> 01:01:31,030
Okay, so I just wanted to hover over that one and kind of pinpoint before just putting up no contact list and not giving any reference to that.

868
01:01:31,590 --> 01:01:51,850
Next stuff that we're working on here and I'm hearing you guys, I'm hearing the residents and here's some of the concerns, here's some of the thoughts, the ideas that they're asking me about right now, which is development and amendment of the Solid Waste Policy.

869
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:57,310
There's a couple of things. I think there's a couple of members up on the board if all of you don't know.

870
01:01:58,630 --> 01:02:04,310
You know, then we'll probably have more talks about that. I have some ideas.

871
01:02:05,290 --> 01:02:11,670
A lot to Susette's question. You know, we have spoke on the phone. I've talked to her.

872
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:18,410
So I understand her concern with the recycle carts. I think that's a good conversation.

873
01:02:18,410 --> 01:02:23,290
I think we're early into that conversation, but we can have it.

874
01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:27,410
I'm ready to have that conversation with you guys with the TMO.

875
01:02:27,970 --> 01:02:29,370
You know, we'll talk about that.

876
01:02:30,510 --> 01:02:33,330
You know, see, I think I have some good options.

877
01:02:34,110 --> 01:02:37,250
I know what direct, I think, I know what I want to recommend.

878
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:39,410
Ultimately, I'll be up to you.

879
01:02:40,610 --> 01:02:45,550
The Recycle Program outreach and education, of course, has always been partnered with what we're doing.

880
01:02:45,550 --> 01:02:51,370
we want to get max participation, we want to get diversion so that in seven years when we go back

881
01:02:51,370 --> 01:02:56,670
or six years when we go back and renegotiate this contract, we still get good rates. You know,

882
01:02:56,810 --> 01:03:03,390
getting that, we should be getting reports from last month to see how we did in the first month,

883
01:03:04,070 --> 01:03:07,910
tonnage reports for our recycle, what kind of commodities are they bringing out of here,

884
01:03:08,090 --> 01:03:12,150
how much contamination that kind of thing. Haven't seen those reports yet, but when I do,

885
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:18,490
they will get to you guys as quickly as possible to that point part of the

886
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:25,450
reason that we wanted to have the recycle combo was because from filling up

887
01:03:25,450 --> 01:03:31,890
the cells you know the landfill cells the more we can recycle the longer we

888
01:03:31,890 --> 01:03:36,230
can keep those cells from filling up right which is there there's a big cost

889
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:43,530
for getting new cells and a new landfill on board and you just touch on the reason

890
01:03:43,530 --> 01:03:48,830
that is so important even if you don't recycle a lot to have any recycling part of that.

891
01:03:49,110 --> 01:03:53,370
Love to keep me watch the time Shane okay.

892
01:03:54,470 --> 01:03:57,030
This is one I would throw in things that mean out of you.

893
01:03:57,530 --> 01:04:00,710
No no I would go on and on and on into every detail.

894
01:04:00,910 --> 01:04:02,110
This is his passions.

895
01:04:02,910 --> 01:04:05,210
Yes so I have to take a breath.

896
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:12,730
So, it's all about diversion, I'll make it as clear high level as I can, it's about keeping

897
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:14,730
stuff out of the landfill, just like what you said.

898
01:04:14,930 --> 01:04:17,510
Landfill is built on the premise of they're selling airspace.

899
01:04:18,270 --> 01:04:23,930
We're buying that airspace, we're buying it at a cost, and our stuff is going in there,

900
01:04:24,190 --> 01:04:26,530
and it's sitting there for 100 years to be broken down.

901
01:04:27,290 --> 01:04:31,010
Anything that we don't put in there, we're not having to pay them for that.

902
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:36,770
Now there's an option for those commodities, you know, your ones and two's plastics,

903
01:04:37,230 --> 01:04:40,890
fives and saddens, we're still working on, but ones and two's plastics highly desirable,

904
01:04:41,110 --> 01:04:49,110
your tins, your aluminum, you know, paper, cardboard, those things, don't take up a lot of,

905
01:04:49,250 --> 01:04:55,350
they're not very dense, but they do take up a lot of space. They do have some mass to them.

906
01:04:56,290 --> 01:05:01,950
So keeping them out of the landfill and getting those commodities back into the commercial

907
01:05:01,950 --> 01:05:05,910
stream or product stream, there might be some return on that.

908
01:05:06,510 --> 01:05:10,870
You know, it's not going to be enough to pay for the program, but if you think about

909
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:15,910
it and kind of a too prong, you have, we're not paying for them to go to the landfill and

910
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:16,690
die and degrade.

911
01:05:17,470 --> 01:05:23,310
And we're getting a little bit of a return back on them on top of that, even if it's minuscule

912
01:05:23,310 --> 01:05:29,630
amount, plus they're not taking up that airspace. So we're not paying for them here. We are getting

913
01:05:29,630 --> 01:05:35,610
a little bit back here. It's all about diversion. We want them to go this way and not this way,

914
01:05:35,670 --> 01:05:42,630
because this way is a one stop, right? If we can just real quick, I mean bottom line, bottom line is

915
01:05:42,630 --> 01:05:51,510
that if we're able to extend the life of a landfill, we're able to have better control over the cost of

916
01:05:51,510 --> 01:05:54,010
of doing service, which ultimately translates

917
01:05:54,010 --> 01:05:57,130
to the pocketbook of our residents.

918
01:05:57,870 --> 01:06:00,390
And so, you know, if we can defer

919
01:06:00,990 --> 01:06:04,330
divert stuff from the landfill to the recycling, the murf,

920
01:06:04,970 --> 01:06:08,710
then we're in a better position to obviously be

921
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:10,850
better stewards of our environment,

922
01:06:11,090 --> 01:06:13,630
but hold the cost down of providing

923
01:06:13,630 --> 01:06:15,150
a solid waste service to the community.

924
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:17,590
That's why I wanted to pause on that, but thank you.

925
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:18,030
Thank you.

926
01:06:18,030 --> 01:06:21,630
The cost of creating a new landfill is, I mean,

927
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:22,810
astronomical.

928
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:23,650
Astronomical.

929
01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:24,430
Astronomical.

930
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:27,870
So much so that the last landfill that we were doing,

931
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:30,850
we were excavating a cell and they actually decided to cut

932
01:06:30,850 --> 01:06:31,750
the project in half.

933
01:06:31,970 --> 01:06:33,790
We were talking a $22 million project.

934
01:06:34,770 --> 01:06:36,390
It's quite the undertaking.

935
01:06:37,670 --> 01:06:41,610
Yeah, so we want to take care of our landfills and we want to keep

936
01:06:41,610 --> 01:06:43,430
our stuff out of there as much as possible.

937
01:06:43,570 --> 01:06:44,350
Divert, thank you Shane.

938
01:06:44,850 --> 01:06:45,530
I would have kept going.

939
01:06:45,530 --> 01:06:49,770
You know, so did that answer your question, Mr. Wasteland?

940
01:06:50,890 --> 01:06:51,050
Cool.

941
01:06:51,590 --> 01:06:55,910
Then the Household Hazardous Waste Program.

942
01:06:56,310 --> 01:07:02,470
So I did get some good news today on, well, I'll wait till the next one.

943
01:07:03,470 --> 01:07:11,450
So the Household Hazardous Waste, your oils, your batteries, your some e-waste, your TVs,

944
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:16,110
these, that kind of thing that's coming out of your cleaners, your paints, your solvents,

945
01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:19,450
your adhesive, all of that needs to go somewhere too.

946
01:07:19,690 --> 01:07:24,310
We don't want it to go to landfill because if it's going to landfill, there's a possibility

947
01:07:24,310 --> 01:07:26,450
for that to be leaking into our water table.

948
01:07:27,770 --> 01:07:29,050
A lot of people overlook that.

949
01:07:29,170 --> 01:07:30,050
Everything goes in the trash.

950
01:07:30,270 --> 01:07:31,530
Well, not everything goes in the trash.

951
01:07:31,890 --> 01:07:34,730
There is some things that we don't want in there.

952
01:07:35,330 --> 01:07:37,510
We don't currently have a program for that.

953
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:40,470
We do have a collection that happens once a year.

954
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:46,930
I'm getting to know that program, trying to see what that turns into and what other things

955
01:07:46,930 --> 01:07:51,630
they're available for us to add to our program to make it broader and take care of these

956
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:57,310
issues that people have these concerns like, you know, cooking oil.

957
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:59,010
Cooking oil is a big one.

958
01:07:59,650 --> 01:08:00,890
You don't want it going down your drain.

959
01:08:01,550 --> 01:08:02,750
We don't want it at the landfill.

960
01:08:02,930 --> 01:08:03,930
We don't want it in the trucks.

961
01:08:04,110 --> 01:08:04,850
What do we do with it?

962
01:08:05,150 --> 01:08:05,810
Great question.

963
01:08:06,850 --> 01:08:08,370
So I got to figure those out.

964
01:08:08,370 --> 01:08:13,070
So, that's the kind of things that we're looking into to broaden what our program is.

965
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:17,410
And starting with the trash and the recycle, this is where we start and then we just keep

966
01:08:17,410 --> 01:08:19,210
adding tiers to it.

967
01:08:20,270 --> 01:08:25,250
And trying to keep those costs down, you know, adding those services and getting good

968
01:08:25,250 --> 01:08:26,370
value for what we're doing.

969
01:08:26,990 --> 01:08:32,150
The possibility of a glass program and the reason why I put on there is a possibility is because

970
01:08:32,150 --> 01:08:34,170
I don't know if it's viable or not yet.

971
01:08:34,170 --> 01:08:38,770
Like I've asked for patients. We're gonna go through this. We're gonna look at this thing

972
01:08:38,770 --> 01:08:43,270
There's some things that have to be in the right order. I can tell you this. This is the news

973
01:08:43,270 --> 01:08:51,430
I got today that was excited about is this is disclosed from a resident. There's spies everywhere and it's absolutely wonderful

974
01:08:52,210 --> 01:08:57,430
reached out to waste management got confirmation from them that the

975
01:08:57,430 --> 01:09:04,590
The transfer station here on La Kinyada, I don't know if you're aware of this, they have

976
01:09:04,590 --> 01:09:10,010
direction from waste management who is currently under contract with Pima County running this

977
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:10,950
transfer station.

978
01:09:11,290 --> 01:09:15,210
They will not, cannot turn away glass collection.

979
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:18,650
I was not aware of that until about an hour ago.

980
01:09:18,970 --> 01:09:20,790
When I read that email, I was elated.

981
01:09:21,070 --> 01:09:26,870
I have been trying to track it down and confirm they would not tell me whether they do or they

982
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:33,050
don't, and we're not sure. Got it confirmed today from waste management that they do not

983
01:09:33,050 --> 01:09:38,710
will not turn away glass collection at the La Kenyatta yard. This is great news for

984
01:09:38,710 --> 01:09:44,350
us. That's my most asked question now. For sure. Why not glass? Yeah. Why not glass

985
01:09:44,350 --> 01:09:49,110
for our program? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Why not glass recycle period for our program?

986
01:09:49,110 --> 01:10:03,070
Sure, sir. So glass, it just, it doesn't work in a mixed-stream system. Sorting it out, glass is at its base element in silica and you'll have to keep me in check on this one too because I'll go on for hours.

987
01:10:03,570 --> 01:10:13,310
But it's silica, it's dirt, it's sand, right? So glass goes in with the other recycle material, it breaks, and then it's contaminant.

988
01:10:13,310 --> 01:10:23,750
Now all of a sudden we have this in the machinery, we have people sorting this stuff out and getting cut and it's dense, it's heavy, it's very inefficient.

989
01:10:24,030 --> 01:10:28,730
Every time we touch a commodity in the recycle stream, it adds a cost to it.

990
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:37,290
We're just driving up the cost of trying to resell dirt to a manufacturer, a bottling company, and ship it to them.

991
01:10:37,290 --> 01:10:45,430
It's very inefficient to ship dirt, it's very expensive to ship dirt, so it becomes an offset.

992
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:46,250
Can it work?

993
01:10:46,670 --> 01:10:48,770
It can work if we're willing to pay for it.

994
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:54,750
One of the dynamics to a glass program is single-string.

995
01:10:55,630 --> 01:11:01,270
Whether that means we have communal pickups for them, we strategically station those around

996
01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:06,230
the town and we make them free people go and put them there, well, they're still a cost.

997
01:11:06,230 --> 01:11:15,110
We still have to pick it up. We have to have it hauled off. We have to have it taken somewhere so that's why I'm asking for patients on that if we ever get to that point as a town.

998
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:23,210
I need to figure out where that commodity is going and to get it to the right place so does that answer your question?

999
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:28,730
Is there any like I know card board at the food bank that that's an actual someone of a revenue generator?

1000
01:11:29,270 --> 01:11:34,310
Is there any market for glass once it's collected and brought somewhere is it?

1001
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:41,210
Yeah, market, yes. The dynamics, again, glass becomes tricky because you're selling dirt back

1002
01:11:41,210 --> 01:11:45,970
to a bottle company, right? So that's what we're looking for. So the shortest hall, the most

1003
01:11:45,970 --> 01:11:50,450
direct, the most efficient way we can haul it to that bottling company is where we want to be.

1004
01:11:51,710 --> 01:11:57,190
So that's where it doesn't work so much with cardboard. Carboard is far lighter. It's not as dense.

1005
01:11:58,110 --> 01:12:04,290
Carboard is a much easier to break down. Glass has a higher return rate. You know,

1006
01:12:04,290 --> 01:12:10,710
one percent in the processing, whereas cardboard is you know far less you get back but it degrades

1007
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:15,530
and it becomes the cheap paper towel or whatever, but it's much cheaper to sort. It's much cheaper

1008
01:12:15,530 --> 01:12:21,270
to transport that way. It doesn't add that cost as quickly. So there's some dynamics working against

1009
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:25,170
this with glass, but that doesn't mean they're insurmountable. It just means we need to figure them out and do it

1010
01:12:25,170 --> 01:12:26,570
the right way. Okay, thanks.

1011
01:12:30,490 --> 01:12:35,250
And now we get to the questions and comments. I don't know if I...

1012
01:12:35,250 --> 01:12:41,410
Well, yeah, maybe I can piggyback off of us who's that's question because I know in some of the HOAs

1013
01:12:42,170 --> 01:12:49,370
If memory serves me correctly, there are some requirements that cans have to be shielded and things from the road

1014
01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:51,930
Have we had conversations?

1015
01:12:52,730 --> 01:12:53,510
I mean, you know, can we

1016
01:12:54,750 --> 01:12:58,130
Can they make it with with their CC and ours?

1017
01:12:58,310 --> 01:13:02,850
Can they have that policy in place that overrides our policy that says no?

1018
01:13:02,850 --> 01:13:07,290
you have to have a recycle for the reasons that you touched on, have we had those conversations

1019
01:13:07,290 --> 01:13:15,050
with those HOAs or talk to John about, you know, if they have a CCNR policy and they

1020
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:19,510
don't, and the homeowner doesn't have a way, you know, to shield it, you know, because

1021
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:23,670
some have wing walls, others don't, if you could just touch on that a little bit.

1022
01:13:23,790 --> 01:13:24,450
Yeah, sure.

1023
01:13:24,670 --> 01:13:24,950
Thank you.

1024
01:13:25,210 --> 01:13:27,290
No, we haven't had those conversations yet.

1025
01:13:27,290 --> 01:13:33,450
But I have not gotten to the point where I've approached HOAs, nor have HOAs approached

1026
01:13:33,450 --> 01:13:33,710
me.

1027
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:35,030
It's not because I'm staying away.

1028
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:42,090
It's just that I'm hopeful that by the time we get to that point where we have to have

1029
01:13:42,090 --> 01:13:45,170
a permanent solution, I think it becomes a moot point.

1030
01:13:45,670 --> 01:13:50,150
My suggestion is a little different, but again, that merits a conversation.

1031
01:13:51,630 --> 01:13:53,730
You know, I've seen the validity to it.

1032
01:13:53,730 --> 01:14:02,490
If you remember back in January, the consideration of, I'll relate this to like the 65-pound

1033
01:14:02,490 --> 01:14:02,750
cart.

1034
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:09,190
I said that's crazy, it's absolutely, why would you do that, it makes no sense.

1035
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:14,690
Then I went out to the community and I visited these homes with the smaller garages, the limited

1036
01:14:14,690 --> 01:14:22,490
spaces, given the demographics of our community and our residents, it made sense.

1037
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:26,130
It made sense to undertake something that big.

1038
01:14:26,290 --> 01:14:27,610
Why would you double your assets?

1039
01:14:27,890 --> 01:14:29,430
Why would you track twice as many?

1040
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:31,610
Why would you do, because there was a value there.

1041
01:14:31,990 --> 01:14:34,150
And the value offset the cost and the time.

1042
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:38,390
I do believe that there is a value here too.

1043
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:42,090
I think there's an opportunity would love to discuss it.

1044
01:14:42,210 --> 01:14:44,210
So I don't want to go too far ahead.

1045
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:47,270
Because I may, yeah, I don't want to be

1046
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:47,930
in the principal office.

1047
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:48,950
Obviously if I did that, right?

1048
01:14:49,170 --> 01:14:49,650
What's that?

1049
01:14:49,890 --> 01:14:50,890
Yeah, yeah.

1050
01:14:50,890 --> 01:14:59,690
Yeah, so I haven't gotten that far yet because to my knowledge, you know, one has come across me.

1051
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:08,850
To my emails that is a warning to a resident from the HOA, once, and that just happened, I believe

1052
01:15:08,850 --> 01:15:13,450
it was on Saturday, that a resident shared with me that they got a warning from the HOA.

1053
01:15:13,810 --> 01:15:18,410
That's the first one. So we haven't crossed that bridge yet. So yes, the door is opened

1054
01:15:19,110 --> 01:15:23,870
for those conversations. It is about time to have some conversations like that.

1055
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:24,450
Yeah, thanks.

1056
01:15:24,810 --> 01:15:24,870
Yeah.

1057
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:25,810
Any other questions?

1058
01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:29,190
Mayor and council, can I just help frame this just a little bit.

1059
01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:32,810
This is a great opportunity for the council.

1060
01:15:32,830 --> 01:15:40,330
If you're hearing of unique situations out there that likely could result in policy discussion,

1061
01:15:40,770 --> 01:15:45,970
bring those things up because it's good for us to know what you're hearing, what you're

1062
01:15:45,970 --> 01:15:47,410
getting hit without in the public.

1063
01:15:49,070 --> 01:16:01,850
This is a new program for the town where partnered with a very experienced partner so it's not like we don't know what we're doing, but our solution is going to be unique for our community.

1064
01:16:02,170 --> 01:16:15,710
We have some goals in mind. We want to divert trash from the landfill to keep costs down that benefits everybody. In order to do that, we made a policy decision to require recycling.

1065
01:16:15,710 --> 01:16:20,390
that makes sense and you know when you consider policies it's difficult

1066
01:16:20,390 --> 01:16:24,770
because you might have somebody who's actually very very responsible and when

1067
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:28,970
they say hey they're going to take their recycling to the recycling bin

1068
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:34,290
themselves they're going to do that if they say listen we don't need solid waste

1069
01:16:34,290 --> 01:16:38,970
can because I just throw it in my trailer and I've been doing it for years and I'm

1070
01:16:38,970 --> 01:16:43,690
responsible I'm not out dumping in the desert right they're doing that but your

1071
01:16:43,690 --> 01:16:48,730
policy can't consider that because that person can leave that residence, can

1072
01:16:48,730 --> 01:16:53,030
sell it, and then the new person come in. They're not responsible. So you have

1073
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:57,670
to think broadly as a as a as a council in terms of what these policies really

1074
01:16:57,670 --> 01:17:02,930
mean. It can't be there's the dilly clause and this is the Logan clause. And

1075
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:07,550
this you know, it just doesn't work that way. And so if you're getting hit with

1076
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:12,630
these unique situations, they kind of these twisters, how do we manage this?

1077
01:17:12,630 --> 01:17:18,770
Let's bring those issues up so that we can take note of it as staff and then we can try to bring back

1078
01:17:19,810 --> 01:17:20,690
some policy

1079
01:17:21,330 --> 01:17:22,650
discussion and resolution

1080
01:17:23,370 --> 01:17:31,410
Because this thing can morph. We're making these policies and and we can we can cater it to meet our needs as a community

1081
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:37,970
I guess what I'm saying. So this is a good opportunity for that. Yeah. No. Thanks Shane on that and I literally just had my neighbor yesterday

1082
01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:41,890
They come over and we were just talking about other things and he's very, very pleased.

1083
01:17:42,590 --> 01:17:43,510
You know, I had...

1084
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:44,510
And the house I was going to buy?

1085
01:17:44,730 --> 01:17:44,830
No.

1086
01:17:44,990 --> 01:17:45,290
The other side.

1087
01:17:45,850 --> 01:17:45,970
Okay.

1088
01:17:47,550 --> 01:17:52,250
And, you know, we had, well, minimum six trucks a week because we had the three majors, you

1089
01:17:52,250 --> 01:17:55,450
know, both days different for recycle and waste.

1090
01:17:55,850 --> 01:18:00,730
Then we had new ones pop up occasionally, so I think the most I had in a week was eight

1091
01:18:00,730 --> 01:18:04,130
different trucks that came through our neighborhood, but definitely they always had six.

1092
01:18:04,590 --> 01:18:11,610
So, and combining them on the same day, people love that because there's one day, and the rest of the days are quiet.

1093
01:18:12,170 --> 01:18:28,670
Probably, at this point, my most asked question is the glass, you know, because I grew up in New England, and you had to put deposits down, you know, on glass, the Coca-Cola bottles, and everything up to, I don't know, I left it was probably 15 cents each one.

1094
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:35,790
So that's the reason I'm so old, that's right, and actually that was the real dirt

1095
01:18:35,790 --> 01:18:37,710
that we actually turned into glass.

1096
01:18:39,250 --> 01:18:44,910
So the glass is definitely one that probably is worth a continual conversation on how

1097
01:18:44,910 --> 01:18:45,810
we can mitigate that.

1098
01:18:46,350 --> 01:18:52,550
I know I've usually gone at the new year to the joint recycling effort that we have out

1099
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:59,310
here, and it's gallons and gallons of cooking oil and TVs and computers and all of that.

1100
01:19:00,810 --> 01:19:08,410
So the hazard waste, not to get dumped as often as possible, so maybe it's more events.

1101
01:19:08,650 --> 01:19:12,970
But those are the two biggies, is the hazardous waste because people have, you know, they move

1102
01:19:12,970 --> 01:19:19,470
in, they buy five gallons of paint, they use four and five gallon jog left, you know, those

1103
01:19:19,470 --> 01:19:20,130
types of things.

1104
01:19:20,130 --> 01:19:35,790
I don't know if it's more of a conversation with a transfer station, you know, to get a better understanding of what they can do for us because when I've used it in the past, you have to drive in and then your way your car truck full, right?

1105
01:19:36,230 --> 01:19:42,470
And then you drive through and then they way it on the way out and that's when they charge you the differential. It's been a long time.

1106
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:49,570
But if you're bringing over on a weekly basis, you know, three pounds of glass, you know,

1107
01:19:49,690 --> 01:19:55,430
how do they take that and charge you for it when you're not driving it out of your

1108
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:55,670
phone.

1109
01:19:55,870 --> 01:19:56,910
I don't know that they are.

1110
01:19:57,470 --> 01:20:03,170
I still have, like I said, I just got that word today and it did come on a letterhead from

1111
01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:04,430
a director at Waste Management.

1112
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:06,790
So I believe it's factual.

1113
01:20:07,050 --> 01:20:11,550
I haven't seen it yet, but I'm going to go over there and check that out.

1114
01:20:11,550 --> 01:20:16,450
I don't believe it's at cost because this is through Pima County and there is a responsibility

1115
01:20:16,450 --> 01:20:18,470
there for household hazardous waste as well.

1116
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:21,290
I don't yet know.

1117
01:20:21,570 --> 01:20:26,710
I know what the legality is and that they have to do that at least once a year, but I'm

1118
01:20:26,710 --> 01:20:32,490
going to find out what they are offering over there and it's been a little tough to get

1119
01:20:32,490 --> 01:20:32,850
over there.

1120
01:20:33,450 --> 01:20:38,970
And I know we had a policy on an acre lot or more, was it two and a half, two and a half with

1121
01:20:38,970 --> 01:20:44,010
the contingency of the commercial agreement and if you're at one in three quarters and you're

1122
01:20:44,010 --> 01:20:49,410
way down the road and they're not you know so those are kind of one-offs that I've you know heard

1123
01:20:49,410 --> 01:20:54,790
about but those are mostly the hazard waste and the glasses you know most ask questions to kind

1124
01:20:54,790 --> 01:21:00,390
of keep in mind as you're developing these policies. Yeah the glass the hazardous household hazardous waste

1125
01:21:00,390 --> 01:21:08,450
those are the programs if you will the one-offs and tailor making it to our residents with where they're

1126
01:21:08,450 --> 01:21:12,050
located how their service how their service works and how it fits into this

1127
01:21:12,050 --> 01:21:16,710
ordinance that's that's the policy that's the town policy that I'll be bringing

1128
01:21:16,710 --> 01:21:20,650
back to you guys that's what the like I said I don't want to bring it out too

1129
01:21:20,650 --> 01:21:24,330
far and you know throw something out at at all of you I don't know what my

1130
01:21:24,330 --> 01:21:29,010
restrictions there are but be talking to Shane about that and then having those

1131
01:21:29,010 --> 01:21:32,770
conversations and then you'll know well in advance when I'm when I'm bringing that

1132
01:21:32,770 --> 01:21:36,810
to you and what I'm suggesting we will have those conversations to maximize

1133
01:21:36,810 --> 01:21:37,670
It's my time tonight.

1134
01:21:38,590 --> 01:21:41,370
We won't be able to really talk about solutions as much.

1135
01:21:42,130 --> 01:21:45,110
But if you're hearing of unique, hey, what about this?

1136
01:21:45,230 --> 01:21:46,010
I'm hearing this.

1137
01:21:46,130 --> 01:21:48,510
That would be awesome to bring up so that we can kind

1138
01:21:48,510 --> 01:21:50,970
of generate whatever you have or heard.

1139
01:21:51,170 --> 01:21:52,030
Please bring it up tonight.

1140
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:56,670
And then also, obviously, everybody has Daniel's email address.

1141
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:59,250
So as things develop, please get them off to them.

1142
01:21:59,610 --> 01:22:00,090
Got some memories.

1143
01:22:01,190 --> 01:22:02,470
So I have to.

1144
01:22:03,550 --> 01:22:05,990
One of them was brought to my attention.

1145
01:22:05,990 --> 01:22:10,190
Do we have dull trucks where they do recycle and trash?

1146
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:10,590
No.

1147
01:22:11,230 --> 01:22:15,550
Because somebody mentioned that they saw the truck put recycle

1148
01:22:15,550 --> 01:22:17,130
and trash in the same truck.

1149
01:22:17,950 --> 01:22:20,430
So I did mention to them these trucks have cameras.

1150
01:22:20,890 --> 01:22:21,150
They do?

1151
01:22:21,370 --> 01:22:21,570
Yes.

1152
01:22:21,850 --> 01:22:23,830
They do, and there's no split bodies.

1153
01:22:24,590 --> 01:22:28,870
If you see the same truck picking up a trash and recycle cart,

1154
01:22:29,170 --> 01:22:34,170
unless that, let's just say, in the very hypothetical,

1155
01:22:34,170 --> 01:22:37,970
because typically the recycle trucks follow the trash trucks they come later.

1156
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:40,670
It's not always. They do criss-cross over.

1157
01:22:41,210 --> 01:22:46,310
In the instance where a recycle truck maybe came through, today I saw a trash can

1158
01:22:46,310 --> 01:22:50,150
that was open and it had styrofoam in it.

1159
01:22:50,670 --> 01:22:51,770
That's contaminant.

1160
01:22:52,270 --> 01:22:54,550
They're not going to dump that in a recycle truck.

1161
01:22:55,130 --> 01:22:59,170
They might have deemed it and I'm just saying hypothetically I don't really know

1162
01:22:59,170 --> 01:23:01,310
but I'm just saying this is how I ran operations.

1163
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:07,330
If it was deemed as contaminated, I would have let the trash truck operator know if he

1164
01:23:07,330 --> 01:23:08,090
has come behind me.

1165
01:23:08,230 --> 01:23:09,150
That could have happened.

1166
01:23:09,190 --> 01:23:09,930
I'm not saying it did.

1167
01:23:10,510 --> 01:23:16,750
But if you do see that, really, all I need, and this goes out to residents at large, a

1168
01:23:16,750 --> 01:23:21,850
video or a picture of the license plate of the truck, tell me where they are and what you saw.

1169
01:23:22,710 --> 01:23:23,990
I easily find it.

1170
01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:25,130
There's GPS on them.

1171
01:23:25,210 --> 01:23:25,610
There's cameras.

1172
01:23:25,830 --> 01:23:27,210
They all have five camera systems.

1173
01:23:27,210 --> 01:23:28,930
They have a camera inside the hopper.

1174
01:23:28,930 --> 01:23:34,990
we insisted upon that. So they can tell me what address they are. I don't know if you guys have

1175
01:23:34,990 --> 01:23:40,950
seen any of those pictures, but we can verify where the truck is, what truck it is, what time of day

1176
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:44,490
it was, and we can take a look inside the hopper to what came out of that cart.

1177
01:23:44,870 --> 01:23:49,550
They look the same, though, right? Identical. Yeah, that's the tough part is they look identical.

1178
01:23:50,190 --> 01:23:55,270
Well, what you just said makes sense because I drive by and I see things in like, that's not respectful.

1179
01:23:58,670 --> 01:24:12,450
It could be I'm not saying that's what happened, but like that's how I ran operations and that's what makes sense. So yeah, so my second thing I've already brought to your attention and I talked to Shane about it, a resident that lives in a two and a half acre.

1180
01:24:13,630 --> 01:24:15,430
That is being charged.

1181
01:24:16,610 --> 01:24:23,350
doesn't want the trash can they own a business they have a 40 foot dumpster in

1182
01:24:23,350 --> 01:24:29,290
their business and they take their trash there. It's a person single person that

1183
01:24:29,290 --> 01:24:34,850
lives by himself and he says he's not home half of the time so I know you're

1184
01:24:34,850 --> 01:24:41,450
working on it I brought it up to shade Shane today so yep we're trying to work

1185
01:24:41,450 --> 01:24:46,410
So yeah, I'll just talk about every 15 seconds, five seconds, two seconds, five.

1186
01:24:46,590 --> 01:24:47,250
I'm wasting my time.

1187
01:24:47,630 --> 01:24:55,870
So, yeah, when they reach out to me and if they have an issue like that, we have not gone out to their property to harass them or anything.

1188
01:24:56,010 --> 01:25:04,470
I've been working with this individual, this resident since May, April, May, yeah, May.

1189
01:25:05,050 --> 01:25:09,510
So we've been going back and forth trying to figure something out, the Taylor Fit to fit that property.

1190
01:25:09,510 --> 01:25:11,370
It will take some time.

1191
01:25:12,110 --> 01:25:12,970
Any other thoughts?

1192
01:25:13,370 --> 01:25:13,730
Initially?

1193
01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:16,450
You can always email them as well.

1194
01:25:16,930 --> 01:25:16,990
Yep.

1195
01:25:17,810 --> 01:25:18,290
No?

1196
01:25:18,690 --> 01:25:18,930
Awesome.

1197
01:25:19,170 --> 01:25:19,350
Okay.

1198
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:19,930
Thank you so much.

1199
01:25:20,030 --> 01:25:21,190
Have a good year and appreciate it.

1200
01:25:21,290 --> 01:25:21,790
Mayor and Councillor, I just...

1201
01:25:21,790 --> 01:25:21,910
Yes.

1202
01:25:22,290 --> 01:25:30,470
Dan, I just want you to know, at the awesome BYU versus U of A game Saturday night, I did

1203
01:25:30,470 --> 01:25:36,190
notice in the Tucson area, Tucson had the 300 gallon containers.

1204
01:25:37,210 --> 01:25:38,530
Yeah, they do have them.

1205
01:25:38,530 --> 01:25:42,230
I'm just saying they do have okay. All right. I'm they exist in the world

1206
01:25:42,230 --> 01:25:49,890
I know that they exist in the world you want a 300 gallon container. No, it's something that we discussed so in in some of those

1207
01:25:50,730 --> 01:25:58,390
Outliers that okay, okay, so in some of those those properties given the length of the driveways their private roads the waste trucks

1208
01:25:58,390 --> 01:26:01,210
Don't want to drive down them for damaging their private road

1209
01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:03,410
Then they damage the truck so

1210
01:26:04,450 --> 01:26:07,490
Us dictating that they have to drive these you know

1211
01:26:07,490 --> 01:26:18,250
So massive trucks down these private roads, it costs the residents, it costs our partner, doesn't cost us anything, but we're forcing them to do it.

1212
01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:21,650
So it's ethically, it's not really the right thing to do.

1213
01:26:22,090 --> 01:26:35,350
So that's why we're working on some of these properties that are outliers and what was brought up was the possibility of this neighbor, this neighbor, and this neighbor throwing into a 300 gallon cart, that way they are still in compliance with the law.

1214
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:42,750
And they have that finding the 300 gallon carts is a little more tricky, especially in brown with style read on the sides for that

1215
01:26:42,750 --> 01:26:50,930
I mean, that's a requirement. They have to have that, but I'm still looking we can come out and engrave it on the side. I'll do what I have to do

1216
01:26:52,230 --> 01:26:52,630
Yeah

1217
01:26:53,410 --> 01:26:59,450
Purchase stock finding them and and getting them is proving to be a little trickier than I might have to go to

1218
01:26:59,950 --> 01:27:03,990
Thank you. I want to appreciate it. We're being required. Thanks. Thank you. I work on the teams

1219
01:27:07,610 --> 01:27:10,570
Next, Mr. Clerk, item number 10.

1220
01:27:10,990 --> 01:27:17,350
Public hearing and possible action regarding ordinance number 2025-188,

1221
01:27:18,110 --> 01:27:21,070
Town Code Amendment chapter 1.05,

1222
01:27:21,570 --> 01:27:23,390
Code adoption, authority and penalty,

1223
01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:27,170
ordinance number 2025-189,

1224
01:27:27,610 --> 01:27:30,210
Town Code Amendment chapter 8.10,

1225
01:27:30,210 --> 01:27:31,410
and removal of litter.

1226
01:27:32,030 --> 01:27:35,570
And on its number, 2025-192,

1227
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:38,610
Town Court amendment chapter 8.25 penalties.

1228
01:27:39,050 --> 01:27:41,010
Thanks, and I had Dylan is doing this,

1229
01:27:41,150 --> 01:27:43,170
and I know you very well, and it's not Dylan

1230
01:27:43,670 --> 01:27:44,830
that's that bring to the microphone,

1231
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:48,630
and so Nathan, welcome and please proceed.

1232
01:27:48,970 --> 01:27:51,770
Okay, so, I'm sorry, for the council,

1233
01:27:52,350 --> 01:27:54,530
this is a public, we'll have a public hearing,

1234
01:27:54,530 --> 01:27:57,230
so I'll have Nathan present, ask questions,

1235
01:27:57,550 --> 01:27:59,390
open the public hearing, then we'll close it,

1236
01:28:01,150 --> 01:28:04,530
So it's up to me to keep you here for the next two and a half hours, I understand.

1237
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:13,530
All right, so what this code amendment is, is it's a fairly light touch to both Title

1238
01:28:13,530 --> 01:28:14,830
8 and Title 1.

1239
01:28:16,070 --> 01:28:23,750
Title 8 is the section of the town code that deals with how do we respond to the accumulation

1240
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:27,110
of trash garbage debris on property?

1241
01:28:27,790 --> 01:28:28,930
How do we react to that?

1242
01:28:28,930 --> 01:28:36,510
what kind of sanctions do we issue against those types of properties? Currently, there are

1243
01:28:36,510 --> 01:28:42,490
two issues with Title 8 as written that we'd like to correct. As I said, this is a fairly light,

1244
01:28:42,490 --> 01:28:50,530
fairly subtle touch. So first off, there is some ambiguity in the code about whether or not we can

1245
01:28:50,530 --> 01:28:59,430
choose to use either criminal or civil procedures, criminal or civil penalties, that's what I'm looking for.

1246
01:29:01,170 --> 01:29:12,330
So the first light touch here is that we're making it very clear that the town can choose to go with criminal penalties or civil penalties one or the other.

1247
01:29:12,490 --> 01:29:13,370
We don't have to go both.

1248
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:20,450
And that's important because civil penalties are are a lighter touch they are things that

1249
01:29:20,450 --> 01:29:26,390
can be issued by our civilian employees that we have here in the department.

1250
01:29:27,650 --> 01:29:35,470
The second item is that the current code if interpreted strictly would require immediate

1251
01:29:35,470 --> 01:29:41,610
compliance before we start the time clock and start assessing penalties.

1252
01:29:41,610 --> 01:29:48,250
We wanted to give our code enforcement officers a little bit of flexibility at leeway that when they issue the citation

1253
01:29:48,250 --> 01:29:54,810
We can put a deadline. We can say you've got 30 days you've got 60 days to comply after which you know than the

1254
01:29:55,550 --> 01:29:59,830
Penalty start accruing so that's all this all this code amendment

1255
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,820
It does touch a number of different codes, and even touch a little bit in Title 1, just to make sure that the code is consistent throughout. So, with that, I can answer any questions. So, looking at it, is it the recommendation that we would start with civil and then go to criminal at some point? We would reserve criminal for the more difficult or recalcitrate cases. Right. And where it is today?

1256
01:30:29,820 --> 01:30:37,560
is it's like I said because of the ambiguity. Oh, so it's probably the law department has

1257
01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:41,920
has been a little bit more hesitant to either involve themselves directly in

1258
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:46,980
criminal or even back us on on civil rights. Right. So we're in looking to do a

1259
01:30:46,980 --> 01:30:51,440
little lighter touch and hopefully that helps for the majority and then

1260
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:58,300
reserve the higher penalties for the non-compliance. The goal here is

1261
01:30:58,300 --> 01:31:04,120
is compliance. The goal is not punishment. Got it. Good description. Thank you. I think

1262
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:10,680
I stole that from John. And we will need. Yeah. Please wait on that. Just three separate

1263
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:15,880
motions and set three ordinances. Yes. Oh, so, um, do you want us to have them go through

1264
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:20,000
them each? Oh, and he's already gone through the presentation as far as I can tell, right?

1265
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:26,420
Or have you? I have no slides. Oh, okay. All right. So I'm happy to answer any questions about

1266
01:31:26,420 --> 01:31:31,960
But we worked on these pretty closely together over the last months, how many months, four or five months?

1267
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:40,160
Right. And so yeah, as he said, it was pretty much clean up and clarification. So if you're ready to vote, we'll just need one

1268
01:31:40,160 --> 01:31:42,560
A vote on each ordinance separately.

1269
01:31:43,540 --> 01:31:46,180
Mayor, I just want to make a point that

1270
01:31:47,220 --> 01:31:55,840
That part of the housekeeping here is is to clear up what current practice is. I mean our goal is compliance not

1271
01:31:56,740 --> 01:31:59,120
not punishment or penalty, right?

1272
01:31:59,320 --> 01:32:02,980
It's to bring people in compliance with these

1273
01:32:02,980 --> 01:32:05,940
and give them the, the opportunity to do it.

1274
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:10,400
Yeah, so starting at the lesser degree of things

1275
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:14,120
and reserving the more strict for the heavier cases

1276
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,320
is what we already practice or try to practice.

1277
01:32:16,340 --> 01:32:17,740
Right, but this kind of cleans it up.

1278
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,680
And remember that before we even get to citation,

1279
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,840
we do notice as a violation and try and get compliance.

1280
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:43,580
So we don't even get to a civil citation unless we fail to get compliance with the notice of violation and then, again, if it's a conversation right, so it is, even the civil citation is held until we can't get compliance or cooperation.

1281
01:32:43,580 --> 01:32:49,660
Appreciate it. Yep. Thank you. Vice mayor. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry. Any other questions before I open the public hearing

1282
01:32:50,140 --> 01:32:54,140
This time I'll open the public hearing anybody like to address us on this issue

1283
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:59,460
Seeing no movement. I will close the public hearing and entertain a motion. Vice mayor. Mr. Mayor

1284
01:32:59,460 --> 01:33:02,720
I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-188

1285
01:33:03,420 --> 01:33:10,500
Second we have a motion in a second any further discussion all those in favor signify by aye. Aye any opposed

1286
01:33:10,500 --> 01:33:17,440
motion carries. Mr. Mayor. Yes. I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-189. Second.

1287
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:22,880
Motion to second any further discussion. All those in favor signify by aye. Aye.

1288
01:33:23,480 --> 01:33:23,880
Any opposed?

1289
01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:36,260
Madam. Okay. Your final time. Mr. Mayor I move to adopt ordinance number 2025-199.

1290
01:33:36,260 --> 01:33:41,620
Second, we have a motion in the second any discussion all those in favor signify by aye aye

1291
01:33:41,620 --> 01:33:47,460
Any opposed motion carries having no more further business. We're adjourned. Thank you