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right. So, we will begin this meeting as we begin every meeting with open time for public expression. This is the part of the agenda where people

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We'll want to talk about items that are not on our agenda tonight, may do so.

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Every speaker gets three minutes, and yeah, we'll start with the chamber, then we'll move to Zoom.

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Welcome.

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Thank you, good evening.

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Michael Ardito, lifelong resident of Fairfax.

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I'm here tonight to announce that this last week in of August, the community will be celebrating the 75th anniversary.

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Diamond Jubilee of our public high school since 1951, Sir Francis Drake, now Archie Williams.

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As a proud, great graduate when Archie Williams was my

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ultimate teacher and track coach, and now he's such a teacher at the high school since 2017,

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this year I'm one of the people working diligently to help bring our community together

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to celebrate the school's milestone anniversary.

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This Friday will be a golf tournament.

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That night's school alumni, music performers with friends will be at various venues in the

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Ross Valley and San John Moe Valley, including a band playing here at Live on the Avenue.

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On Sunday afternoon, on August 30th, there will be a day on the green picnic on campus

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with music.

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There will be historical displays in the student center, speaker presentations, and celebration

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cupcakes and ice cream while supplies last.

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Vintage Drake, pirate athletic wear, we rescued from the school's athletic field house

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before demolition will be available on campus this weekend.

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The hundreds and hundreds of athletic clothing are worth thousands and thousands of dollars.

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Athletic wear will be available for a donation or free by participating in the passport puzzle.

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Large green capillators are in some storefront or restaurant windows and

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fairfax in San Isomal, like the annual hunt during the Fairfax art walk.

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Please look for the green diamond emblem.

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The weekend will culminate on Monday night, August 31st with a sold out second annual

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Drake Archie Williams athletic hall of fame dinner at Jepard Pillow.

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Everyone can participate this last weekend of August by wearing the school colors of green with white or black as

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Clues for the puzzle on Thursday, August 13th the California Historical Landmark plaque for Drake and the Golden Hines landing in 1579

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Was dedicated in West Marin Sunday, August 9th marked the 90th anniversary of Arche Williams winning the only bit gold medal for track in

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1936. Thank you. Thanks Mike. May I just ask if there's a digital

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All notice of all of those events, which sound great, if you could just provide them to our town clerk so that perfect that would be great.

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Thank you so much.

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Welcome, Kelsey.

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Good evening, good evening mayor and councilmembers, Kelsey Fernandez, San Enselmo resident.

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And I'm here tonight because I know that you're going to decide soon whether to end tobacco and nicotine sales in our town.

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As a resident and a parent, I want to share what I don't want those products hold here.

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My kids are now in their 20s but they both grew up here and tobacco and nicotine use was

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a problem among their peers.

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We knew it then and despite all the education, the parent monitoring, and the regulations

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and enforcement, youth use is still a problem today.

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Personally, I wouldn't want a gun retailer in San Insombo, and tobacco kills far more people than guns do.

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More than 10 times as many.

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Removing tobacco and nicotine cells isn't infringing on anybody's rights.

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No town is obligated to sell tobacco or nicotine products, or guns for that matter.

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residents can still possess and use these items.

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They can still buy them elsewhere.

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This is a matter of what's best for our town.

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I hope you'll see that these products aren't good for our community, our kids, or our environment.

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Thank you.

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Thanks, Kelsey.

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Who's next?

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Jeremiah, come on up.

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I'm Jeremiah Mock.

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I live in Court of Adair.

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I get a evening vice mayor and council members.

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Can you hear me?

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Yes, you're fine.

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Great.

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Thanks.

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So I've been watching with interest your deliberations

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with regard to this issue about potentially banning

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the sale of tobacco and nicotine products.

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We in Coronamidera are very close to doing that.

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And so as you can see, this is a county wide movement

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that is rapidly spreading.

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I know that some of you have been grappling with the issue

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of concern about banning the sale of products, both with regard to the impacts on retailers

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and the impact on consumers. I want to share with you that there is no constitutional

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right to sell tobacco and nicotine products that's settled case law and federal court, and

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And there is no right to purchase tobacco and nicotine products.

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The courts have been very clear about that as well.

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There is a in our Bill of Rights, the ninth amendment which covers the liberties and

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freedoms of individuals that are not explicitly described in our constitution.

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And there is no fundamental right to sell or purchase these products,

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particularly because they're dangerous and deadly.

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90% of smokers start smoking when they're below the age of 18.

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And we know that individuals don't have the ability to consent to start using dangerous and deadly products.

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We know that adults often find themselves addicted to these products and

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give up a tremendous amount of their personal liberty to the tobacco industry,

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which designs the products explicitly to addick their customers.

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So I want to just urge you to think about your position here in this historical moment.

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The retailers who sell these products are connected to the tobacco industry.

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The tobacco industry could never sell their products if it weren't for the cooperation of retailers.

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And in particular, the retailers who take payments from distributors to promote their products in key positions within their stores and to put up advertising that often targets children.

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So we have a long tradition of banning consumer products in the United States.

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When we recognize that there's a public health imperative and urgency,

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just recently California banned the sale of carpet that is treated with chemicals that are known to harm children.

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The federal government has banned the sale of nicotine as a pesticide because it's so harmful to the environment.

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No farmer had the right to purchase nicotine as a pesticide, no chemical company had a right to sell those products.

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So I urge you to think about the decision in that frame.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jeremiah.

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Bridget, come on up.

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Welcome.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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I'm Bridget Clark, and I live in San Ensemble.

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I wanted to mention a couple things.

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First of all, if you didn't know, the first week in October

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is a week without driving.

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And I would love to see more people participate.

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I know I've talked to a few of you about this already.

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And I heard in a meeting last night that Terrell

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all is signed up to at least participate in some capacity.

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It doesn't have to be the entire week, and the idea is that you can see what it's like

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to take public transportation or bike or you choose how you want to do it, but an international

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walk-in roll day is October 7th, so it's the same week you could do it with the kids.

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The other thing I wanted to mention in working with Kelsey and Jeremiah on substance use,

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I was looking at some of the remarks that the American Cancer Society has put out, and I just wanted to share this with you.

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They clearly state that nicotine, carcinogens, and other toxins are absorbed through the lining of the mouth.

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So smoking, including cigars, can cause many of the same health problems as smoking cigarettes, no matter the size cigars are tobacco.

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The smoke from them has the same cancer-causing chemicals and other toxins found in cigarette smoke.

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All cigars are dangerous to your health, contributing to thousands of premature deaths per year, specifically attributed to cigar smoking, because I know there's some question about whether cigars are dangerous I've heard people questioning.

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The easier the access, the more chance of using, I heard even when I was at live on the

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avenue of someone saying hey does Ludwig sell cigarettes and I was thinking oh no, I'm

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going to have to smell more secondhand smoke which I do smell a fair amount of during live

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on the avenue sadly but so the easier there is access, the more likely we're going to have

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to be exposed to second hand smoke is my point and I personally would think that you're

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doing a lot of us a favor if you would eliminate all tobacco sales, so I appreciate you considering

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this. Thank you. Thank you Bridget. Anyone else in the chamber? Sir,

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anybody online? Mayor, we do have one hand raised and Julia, you have been unmuted.

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Welcome,

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I actually sue Saunders under my dollar account.

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Good evening, Council members and members of the public.

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I just wanted to make people aware that there is a new program from the state that has rebates for electric vehicles.

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30, $750 for a new and $1750 for a used.

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You can google my first rebate. I mean my first EV. I'm sorry.

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We'll take you to a website that explains how to apply and get the rebate. It comes off at the dealership, so it comes off the price of the EV. There is also still a $1,000 rebate for a used vehicle from PG&E and 4,000 for people who are income qualified, which in Marin is actually quite high. A one person making up to $117,000 a year

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will qualify for the $4,000 rebate from PG&E for a used EV.

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I also want to let people know that MCE, the clean energy provider we have, is giving $2,000 rebates

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to install a heat pump and a $2,500 rebate to install a heat pump water heater.

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And there are no income limits for that.

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Anyone can apply for those.

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You just have to be an MCE customer.

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There are also MCE programs for upgrading your home's energy efficiency.

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And there is a program also from the state for low income customers that will do your whole

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home efficiency upgrade.

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So they're really good rebates right now.

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For building electrification rebates or home energy efficiency, you can go to the switch

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is on, switch is on.org.

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And for the other ones, my first EV, just Google that for the state rebates.

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And then PG&E's website for the PG&E used EV rebates.

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Thank you very much.

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Thanks so much, Sue, informative, as always.

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Anybody else online?

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Mayor, they're going all their hands raised.

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All right, then we will close public comment and we'll move on with our agenda now is the time for council member updates liaison reports updates from staff and requests for future agenda items is there anybody who'd like to start go ahead you off quick tonight.

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Because August is kind of quiet just one meeting really the report on which was the meeting of the central marine police advisory council on August 13th

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The biggest thing coming out of that, and this is, I think, great news for those of us

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who care about privacy and the safety of our communities, is that when the CMPA contract

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with flock cameras ends in October, we will not be renewing that contract.

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Flock cameras is automated, license plate readers, which are installed on traffic signals

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and elsewhere in our communities.

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There has been a large upswell in recent days and months against flock because it has been.

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Their data have been accessed by third parties in the federal government with whom that information may not or should not be shared according to California statute.

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and so you have seen it already been in San Mateo County moved toward

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that in Los Angeles County and elsewhere now we in Marin are also in

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central Marin not renewing our contract with flock that said automated

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license plate readers have been very valuable to our police force in solving

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crimes so it is not the intention to not have a provider of automated license

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plate readers in central Marin the chief is actively looking and having

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conversations with other providers whose data practices and data governance is better

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than flock, frankly, but I'm very pleased that we have moved in this direction.

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And I think anybody in our community who has similarly had concerns about the way that

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this data might be used for immigration enforcement or other actions can also be equally pleased.

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So that's the news coming out of CMPA.

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Like I said, there was really only one thing to report on for me other than the fact that

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today is August 25th, which makes it National Park Service

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Founders Day.

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It was this day in 1916 that would grow Wilson

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created the National Park Service.

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And we have three national parks in Marin County.

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Point Ray is Golden Gate and Muir Woods.

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So we're really lucky to have an embarrassment of riches

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so we can celebrate National Park Service Day today.

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Thank you, you have anyone else?

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Go ahead, Vice Mayor Walker.

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I say the most fun thing this month is I actually

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got to go to three live on the avenues. The energy there is amazing and it continues

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to grow. It's been such a good year. The time intensive, though less exciting thing

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that a lot of time has been spent on, on behalf of the town is MCE. I participated in

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the grand jury response for the entire agency. And we spent about 20 hours crafting a response

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that was detailed, accepted quite a bit of accountability

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around the things that did not go well for MCE.

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We've already put a few things in place

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and when I say, I was appointed to the board in June.

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So most of what happened before my tenure,

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but the 20 hours of work on the grand jury response

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and we're in happened after.

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So San and San went was quite active.

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But what I can say because I believe most of us use MCE

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As rate payers, we are absolutely being defended and thought about in these processes.

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And the organization itself, and you heard a little bit from Sue, the staff inside the

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organization are rate payer focused.

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How can they help us better connect with our communities, come to our Climate Action Committee?

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So while there's quite a bit happening around governance and quite a few things that we're

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doing at the senior staff level, including changing reporting structures and things like

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that.

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I want you to know that there is balance inside the organization, good work being done

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and we'll talk in great detail about the grand jury report, but rate payers are being

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thought of and changes are already happening and there's an excellent article in the IJ today

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with additional information for folks who are interested.

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Thank you, Vice Mayor.

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I'll go. So the fire board cancelled the meeting this month. It's kind of slow in the summer

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because it's the time for staff to take vacations. So we do only usually have one meeting in July

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and one in August for that purpose. And so what I have to report, though, is that this Saturday is

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our Baldy Dash. That's a benefit for live on the avenue. It starts at Robson at 430. We hike, run,

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walk up to the top of Aldi and back and then we end up at Imagination Park and

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crown the champion which is the person who comes in dead average. The average

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here is the winner. I was one away from that last year and then we give out

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cool merchandise like this patch here from last year. It all is a benefit for

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live on the avenue so you can walk it which I did and chatted the whole way and

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still came very close to winning but please sign up if you haven't you know

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almost everybody's been to the top of Baldi at some point but if you haven't

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in a while as always it's a spectacular hike and view so I would encourage

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that you can just go to type in Baldi Dash Google that and it'll go right to the

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site you can sign up later it doesn't matter or just show up at 4.30 and pay

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later and it's a good time.

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And there's 332 people already signed up, so be the next, impressive.

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Nothing from Council Member Callaway, and I'll just briefly echo a couple of things

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that were said here, live on the avenue, continues to be great.

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The vibe downtown is, you know, everything we always envision sin and someone could be, and

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so that's pretty cool.

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And I was also at the Central Merin Police Board meeting and a couple of things I want

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to point out about that because I'm very happy we are discontinuing our contract with

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flock.

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And as you have said, there's been a lot of concern about third-party entities getting

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access to those records.

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And I think if you, there have been a number of news segments that have really highlighted

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the misuse of flock and internally in that platform.

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You know, last week tonight had a really poignant one on it that I encourage everybody to watch.

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But I think one of the things that I want to highlight here is that this was something that staff became hyper aware of and was brought to us by the chief.

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I've always been proud that we have a pretty proactive administration at our police department.

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They don't wait for, you know, the stuff to hit the fan, they try and be ahead of the

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curb.

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And in this case, we were supportive of their recommendations, certainly.

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And as you all have said, this doesn't mean that we're not going to utilize that technology.

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We're just going to utilize a more reputable vendor.

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You know, back when this was first approved, Council Member Callaway and I were on the police

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board.

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we both had concerns and questions, we'd ask that instead of just moving forward with it at the time,

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we had a chance to bring it back and have a discussion at the local councils, which we did at the time.

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Again, everybody's starting to use this technology. It made sense, but we didn't know what we know now,

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and so this was a good prudent and proactive decision brought forth by our police chief and the staff

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there and was really pleased to get that recommendation from our command staff. So yeah, and that's

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So that's the only other update I have.

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Dave, do you have anything from staff?

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Do you have several things?

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I'll be quick.

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First one I wanted to make sure everybody was aware

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that we have two ash trees on the town hall lawn

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that are completely dead and we're gonna be taking them out.

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And we're looking to get mature shade trees replacing them.

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Those are very expensive,

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but we are talking to a couple potential donors

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to put trees that will work long-term there.

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It's always shocking to see a tree come down, but if you go outside tonight you'll see they're completely gone.

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And then secondly I wanted to point out two things and I think they're coming up on the screen right now.

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Let's go backwards here.

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There we go.

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So many of you know, I know the council all knows that we have been working on creating oops.

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Working on creating a pocket park or first pocket park.

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And it's it's in a spot that sort of is between Forbes and Hildill and it

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was an area that used to be a pass-through. And I think when I leaned over

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growing up and then the traffic was so heavy that the town decided to block it

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out with the chain and it became sort of a parking lot for rundown vehicles and

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it you know kind of was a bit of a challenging area for us to sort of enforce.

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And so working with some neighbors we came together to look at what could be

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There and we put together a plan for a very modest small park although that even that you know getting everybody

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Everybody's consensus was you know a bit of a challenge. We did it over a number of years

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We had both

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Mayor Burdo and councilmember

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Burke helping with that effort along with some great staff in the rec department and public works and I'm happy to say that at this

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Right now we have a park

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So this is a rubberized play surface, climbing trees, like you see in a lot of spots right now.

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Some sort of natural benches.

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We're very proud to say that it's accessible.

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If you see the sidewalk to the park, to the logs is wheelchair accessible.

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And it's getting a lot of use.

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And you can't see as there's a picnic table.

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You see the very end of it there.

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So, like I say, it's a very modest park, but it's the first park we've sort of produced in a long, long time, so we're proud of that.

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We will be having a ribbon cutting ceremony on the 19th of September at 1030, and we invite everybody to come on out.

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Mayor Burdo and myself and public work director Schneider will be there to make some brief comments.

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And then, last thing is on the 17th of October, we'll have our annual fall town cleanup.

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We'll meet at the Town Hall Plaza.

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We have a number of projects and slated and what we normally do is everybody that shows up.

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We kind of put teams together and send them off to do the different work.

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And then we come back and Creekside has been traditionally very generous to provide a lunch for everybody.

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So this annual tradition continues and we hope to see everybody down on the 17th and that is it.

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Dave, just one thing on the first couple of things on one item, on the Hilldale Pocket Park.

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I first want to recognize Council Member Burke's leadership on that.

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Absolutely.

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You know, this was something that community members had brought up.

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She took the ball and ran with it and is a big part of why we have this park.

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So I would like her to be able to say a few words of that a little bit and join me in the

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ribbon.

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Thank you.

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Awesome.

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Thank you.

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That's it.

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All right.

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Any other questions of staff from Council members?

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No.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right, then let's move on.

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This will be our consent agenda.

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These are items that are fairly non-controversial.

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They could all be achieved in one vote.

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However, my colleagues and I have the opportunity to pull any items if we so choose for a separate discussion.

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First, I would like to open a public comment on the consent calendar.

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Anybody wishing to comment on any item on the consent calendar may do so at this time.

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Every speaker gets three minutes.

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So I'll open up the floor.

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I see former council member Doug Kelly coming to the mic.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor and council members.

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As you know, I serve on the Rossada sanitary board of directors.

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And was serving for a long time on the central marine sanitary board of directors.

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We now have two alternates serving there, Kathleen Schaeffer from San Samo.

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And Adam Andrew poster from, he's the no valley public work structure is also serving there.

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The rates we're getting are unfair to San Isomo, to Fairfax, to Larkspur, to Sleepy Hollow, to Greenbray, and to Russ.

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It's almost intentional.

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There's other things going on there.

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I would love to see at some point if maybe a member of the town council would be a liaison.

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We have one from Larkspur.

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There's a lot of things going on. This is not a one off.

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We are working on resolving these in the most friendly way we can,

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but we're going to have to resolve some of these issues that have been going on.

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And this is just...

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Just one of them. Thank you, Doug. Thank you. Kathy, welcome. Hi, my name is Kathleen Schaeffer. I'm a resident of San Enzomo, and I first want to take two seconds to thank you for the pocket park. I go past it every day, and it's wonderful. And it can also be a rally point. Should we have a fire? We have one way in and out, so I encourage you to think about that. I want to echo the comments of my colleagues.

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on the importance of resolving these issues with the Ross Valley and the Central Marin Sanitary.

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A month ago, the board received a report from Corolo Engineers on the need to upgrade the facility to meet new nutrient loading requirements.

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And Corolo Engineers presented a number of options.

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there are going to be presenting more options or more discussion in the future.

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But the bottom line is that their construction estimate for the upgrades is around $80 million.

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That's just the construction estimate, that's not all the other ancillary issues.

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So those costs will have to be passed on to the ratepayers.

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And if we don't get this issue resolved, it's going to be extra costs to our San

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and Selmo Ray payers. Thank you.

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Thank you, Kathy. Anyone else in the chamber?

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Anybody online, sir?

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Can there?

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We have no hands raised.

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All right, then we'll close the public comment.

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I'll ask if any of my colleagues would like to pull any items.

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Yes.

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1.2, please.

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1.2 being pulled. Anyone else?

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I would like to pull item 1-8 and so at this time I will take a motion for items 1-1-1-3-3-1-7-1-9.

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So moved.

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Second.

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All right. Move the second. All in favor?

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Yes.

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All right. Let's start with 1-2.

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I just wanted to pull this out as a way to say thank you to the community development team for the report.

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But very importantly, in our town, some two years ago, we were talking about challenges

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around permitting.

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We were talking about how slow things went.

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This fourth quarter report from the community development agency has real numbers.

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Accountable progress.

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Economic vibrancy is at the center of it, really environmentally sustainable, affordable housing

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with a nod to my committee, the climate committee.

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But I wanted to highlight just a couple of numbers, 8 new housing unit permits, 15 commercial

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business licenses, and over 12 million in valuations for those permits.

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As a town, we're moving forward, we're having fun on live on the avenue, but the real work

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is getting done to move forward economic vibrancy to really work on the permit process.

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And I want to thank our community development director and all the team that she works with.

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that, and I saw DPW was mentioned in there, there's some really good work here, and if

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we wonder in addition to the joy, what's happening in San Enselmo, I don't know that these

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are all joyous, but they're effective and important, so thank you for that, and I also

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want to mention that, you know, real construction, access to affordable housing will happen in

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the best numbers that we can produce. We'll keep pushing it, but in the best numbers that

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that we can produce.

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That is my reason.

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Anyone else on one two?

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That's one.

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Both of them.

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All right.

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I'll take a motion on one two.

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I'll make a motion on one two.

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Motion in second.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Hearing none.

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All right.

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We'll actually get the word yes out of my mouth.

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We're going tempo to night.

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Okay.

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So item one eight.

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Glad that we had some speakers on this tonight.

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I made, as I mentioned at our last meeting, I had joined an effort with a couple other mayors in the Ross Valley to sign on to a letter kind of protesting the flow strength method allocation switch that happened at the CMSA.

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I think the real impact here is the cost increases to San Enselmo residents, that's how it connects to what we do on this body.

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and I thought it would be prudent to submit a letter both to CMSA and the Ross Valley Sanitary District

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affirming our position as opposed to that recent switch.

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So I am obviously in favor of this and would seek my colleague's support.

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All right, then I'll take a motion.

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Motion to move item one eight.

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Second, I'm one eight.

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All right, all in favor.

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Yes.

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Aye.

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Aye. Any opposed? Passes unanimously. Thank you.

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All right. We will move on to our business agenda.

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The first item of the night is item 21 receiving a filing report on our town's cybersecurity and IT resilience.

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Geoff, you're kicking us off. Yes, thank you so much.

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Before we jump in, I just want to talk about that cybersecurity is becoming more and more free.

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In the news with our recent neighbors, the City of Pittsburgh had an a fishing scam and the city of Susanne City with a malware attack.

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So that's why this report is important, why it's being brought forward with you tonight.

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Sorry, thank

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you, search.

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And then before we kick it off, I just want to introduce members of our town's team here tonight.

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To my farthest to the left, Jason Kuzmono, the Executive Director of Basities Joint Powers Authority.

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In the middle, David Cooper, Principal and Chief Engineer of Marine IT.

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And then to my left, Stefana Allieto, sorry, excuse me, customer success manager with Marine IT.

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So this report was requested by Council Member Slesinger in the full council and

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how the town would respond to a cyber incident.

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We'll walk through the town's cyber security environment, our response protocols, and lastly our cyber insurance coverage.

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Again, Marin IT is with us here tonight, and has been a contractor for the town for over 20 years, and

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also a contractor for other Marin agencies, town of Ross, town of Fairfax, City of Saasoledo, City of Mill Valley, to name a few.

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And then we'll, we just have a short slide presentation.

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We're going to volley between who talks on what slide so I will turn it over to the marine IT team to talk about our current defenses.

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Good evening everybody. Thank you.

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There are a lot of facets that come with having a very well protected town such as yours and none of them work in isolation.

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We have a pretty broad set of tools that we utilize in order to protect the town from

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a lot of the threats that come in, including perimeter defense.

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So that's any emails or otherwise that come into the city or town from the outside.

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We have identity and access processes that make it necessary for users within the town

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to multi-factor authenticate, to get access to everything, which ideally means that no

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one can pretend to be them. We have other tools like Endpoint Protection tools that allow

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us at Marin IT to remote into your devices for protection, as well as a tool called Crowdstrike,

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to find, identify, and isolate threats that are known to the world at large.

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They are often referred to as CDSS's, which is vulnerabilities that are monitored.

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In place, we also have network tools to allow us to see how everything is connected, and

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And we scan often using tools that we buy and things that are free to us from SISSA and

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other government agencies.

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We have 24-7 security operations center utilizing the CrowdStrike tools and also allows us to

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see any activity within the network that might be untoward.

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One of the most important things would be if you were affected by a breach, despite

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all the tools that we do have.

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We have a very aggressive, we align with Sissa and Nist policy to have what's called the

448
00:39:14,370 --> 00:39:15,810
321 backups.

449
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:21,530
So three different types of backups, one on prem, one in cloud, one immutable.

450
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:35,710
So that should your information be cryptolocked, for example, we could restore that data back to the town for moving forward in your daily operations within a set period of time.

451
00:39:36,130 --> 00:39:37,930
Is there anything you'd like to add to that?

452
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:40,290
Okay, excellent.

453
00:39:40,290 --> 00:39:44,610
which is a specific level and familiar with the term immutable backups and

454
00:39:44,610 --> 00:39:52,190
about works. Okay. Wonderful. So speaking of data backups, we do have, again,

455
00:39:52,430 --> 00:39:59,570
several versions of this. You have a virtual machine that is doing a backup

456
00:39:59,570 --> 00:40:05,630
here on-prem. From there, there is a backup that takes that information to the

457
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:13,270
cloud and then a third version that makes that exact data unchangeable to anybody so that

458
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:20,590
if we had to we could resort from a point in time where we know that there had been no breach.

459
00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:27,250
So all of those are very important to keep you guys safe. That's on the Microsoft and data file side

460
00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:34,030
and then as far as finance goes and any of the local files you also have Tyler which does have its own

461
00:40:34,030 --> 00:40:42,750
back up. We do back up those files as well. And we have used this particular vendor for quite

462
00:40:42,750 --> 00:40:50,670
a long time to do these backups in their very well respected in the industry. So next,

463
00:40:51,330 --> 00:41:00,070
we talk about recovery time. So again, should you have a breach? We like to evaluate how much

464
00:41:00,070 --> 00:41:10,850
you have in terms of exposure, and you use 365, and it's tools for the majority of the day-to-day business of the town.

465
00:41:11,810 --> 00:41:21,690
Because those are backed up much more often, we can generally restore those files and access back within 24 hours.

466
00:41:22,010 --> 00:41:26,190
The fact that you are utilizing a cloud tool, it also helps with that.

467
00:41:27,210 --> 00:41:33,750
Any other cloud apps that you're utilizing, I'm not 100% sure what you're using for permitting off the top of my head.

468
00:41:33,930 --> 00:41:34,310
Track it.

469
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:35,070
Track it.

470
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:35,890
Yeah.

471
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:49,110
Anything else like that here in Council, how you're doing your agendas, that is a 48 hour turnaround time to restore any local file folders are also on that same 48 hour timeline.

472
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:56,760
And then and so in the staff report we mentioned Tyler being on premise

473
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:02,880
Through a server here, but we are we've signed the agreement with Tyler to move that system to the cloud

474
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:07,940
So we in the meantime between now when it's on prem to when we get it to the cloud

475
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Myself and the Marin IT team have talked about where we could boot up Tyler in the event that the town system is down

476
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:18,740
So hopefully that's 72 hours is only for a short period of time until we get it to the cloud version

477
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:22,870
No, that was perfect, perfect segue.

478
00:42:23,770 --> 00:42:31,570
So one thing that is important in your cyber security plan is the human layer and

479
00:42:31,570 --> 00:42:37,610
we have for the last three fiscal years, I believe, utilized a cyber security training

480
00:42:37,610 --> 00:42:45,970
system to expose everybody to different concepts that they would be understanding if they see

481
00:42:45,970 --> 00:42:47,970
be something unusual, what they should do.

482
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:53,150
And in the last training, we had 73 users

483
00:42:53,150 --> 00:42:56,170
and approximately 80% of those did complete

484
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:58,030
the cybersecurity training.

485
00:42:58,770 --> 00:43:02,870
We fish, which means purposely send messages

486
00:43:02,870 --> 00:43:08,570
to town users every month in order to test their vulnerability.

487
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:13,990
And on average, only one user per month failed those tests.

488
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:29,230
I believe there was a question about failures, and we do do remedial training for anyone that does experience a failure and keep track of those people in case it becomes a common problem.

489
00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:40,970
And then a approximately 50% of town, I know specifically at the library there are a lot of more part-time people, so we understand that.

490
00:43:40,970 --> 00:43:47,810
But everyone is aware that there is the ability to report suspicious messages through what's called the Fish Alert button.

491
00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:59,010
Those messages come to Marin IT, and we evaluate the messages for content, as well as it's not only threats, but also it's simply spam.

492
00:43:59,570 --> 00:44:07,230
Or if those are clean messages, and we respond back to every report of a Fish Alert report.

493
00:44:07,230 --> 00:44:15,750
And keep track of all of the users, I believe we said a gross 50% of people are using that.

494
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:23,250
All right, so now I'm going to talk on our incident response readiness.

495
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:30,090
So we have a cyber incident response plan and a technology recovery plan and

496
00:44:30,090 --> 00:44:37,730
a business continuity plan that last October, the positions on your screen in front of you,

497
00:44:39,370 --> 00:44:43,090
and then our cyber risk manager from Sedgwick flew in

498
00:44:43,090 --> 00:44:45,670
and we did a tabletop exercise walking through three

499
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:48,870
different scenarios of and how we would respond

500
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:49,870
to those scenarios.

501
00:44:50,770 --> 00:44:54,530
The overall results from that from the cyber risk manager

502
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:58,210
that we had pretty good communication within that team.

503
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:59,830
So we are ready for something

504
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,960
The word to hit are one weakness. Due to the size is if there was an individual user within the, within marine IT that wanted to affect our systems, we don't necessarily have someone on staff that is an expert in IT. So that's why you see management analyst on the right that's mirror by tango as part of the finance team. She has an IT background and I've brought her into the biweekly management calls with marine IT just because she has that experience.

505
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:40,760
So, that was the one result of a weakness that came up that if somebody wanted to be a bad actor from the inside, would we have someone that knows what is going on on the town staff.

506
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:46,460
So, I think we have addressed that by bringing in Maribai to those calls and having her background.

507
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:54,240
So, then the detection systems we have, as Stephanie mentioned, is CrowdStrike, which is always watching our system,

508
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,200
learning us if anything unusual or suspicious is going on.

509
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:04,960
As Stephanie mentioned, our scans with qualis, which is an internal scan, and

510
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,660
then MS Isaac is an external scan, and so far no incidence of the data.

511
00:46:10,660 --> 00:46:14,960
I think it's been 112 weeks without a vulnerability on our latest scan or

512
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,860
something in that nature.

513
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,920
In the event of an incident, how would we continue to communicate with the public?

514
00:46:22,540 --> 00:46:28,860
We are working, we're in the beginning stages of working on acquiring Star Lake account for

515
00:46:28,860 --> 00:46:33,480
internet, so if the network was down here, we would have a backup internet to turn things on and

516
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,160
hope that would run our computers and then our Microsoft team's phones.

517
00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:43,100
In the event that didn't, our team's phones are provisioned to the individual, so

518
00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:48,920
those phones could be taken to my home plugged in and it would still recognize that is Jeff from San

519
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:54,680
And we could call out or the team's app can go on your cell phone and you can make work calls through this.

520
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:59,860
So in terms of work numbers, I think we could have a backup plan there.

521
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
In the event, everything is down.

522
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:08,600
It is budgeted to acquire a couple of satellite phones to keep them in the finance safe downstairs.

523
00:47:09,420 --> 00:47:14,940
And have two numbers posted or send it out and manage their newsletter or

524
00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:17,720
something well ahead of any event so people could post it on their fridge.

525
00:47:17,720 --> 00:47:23,600
that people could call those numbers and get information from the town if truly everything was down.

526
00:47:24,900 --> 00:47:29,520
Granted, I understand I just said everything is down, so people probably couldn't call us, but we'll have them in the event.

527
00:47:30,420 --> 00:47:31,560
We did get calls.

528
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,960
We need to call out.

529
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:33,820
Some people have left.

530
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:34,100
Yes.

531
00:47:36,340 --> 00:47:40,120
Keith Steph context, so we all have each other, cell phone numbers and could reach each other.

532
00:47:40,260 --> 00:47:46,760
And then our channel between police and fire is the mirror emergency radio network.

533
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:51,720
So if we need to communications with those organizations, we would be able to be in contact with them.

534
00:47:53,770 --> 00:47:56,630
And again, what would a cyber incident mean for residents?

535
00:47:56,830 --> 00:48:01,450
Well, as Stephanie mentioned, a bunch of our applications are now cloud-based,

536
00:48:02,550 --> 00:48:04,910
recreation, permits, hopefully finance soon.

537
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:11,830
So we should be able to keep business moving in the event that they would not be able to reach those services from their computer.

538
00:48:12,310 --> 00:48:18,630
We would have counter-hours for anybody to come in to complete a registration by paper and enter it later if needed.

539
00:48:22,090 --> 00:48:28,430
As I mentioned, town hall would remain open, and we would hopefully still have connections based on our backup internet.

540
00:48:31,090 --> 00:48:34,570
And then I will turn it over to Jason to talk about our current coverages.

541
00:48:37,690 --> 00:48:42,290
So currently the town participates in the Bay City's joint powers insurance authority

542
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:45,050
on the executive director. They participate for a number of different

543
00:48:45,050 --> 00:48:48,910
coverages, but that is where they obtain their cyber liability coverage.

544
00:48:49,250 --> 00:48:55,390
So cyber coverage used to be what we called a bolt-on coverage to our property coverage.

545
00:48:55,650 --> 00:48:59,630
So 15 years ago, it was thrown in to the property coverage.

546
00:48:59,870 --> 00:49:03,710
It was very inexpensive, I think, for the entire pool of 21 agencies.

547
00:49:03,710 --> 00:49:12,850
it cost $14,000 and then we started to see exponentially more cyber events and certainly

548
00:49:12,850 --> 00:49:18,410
more complicated cyber events. So the cyber coverage has certainly evolved over the

549
00:49:18,410 --> 00:49:24,890
last 15 years. Currently, Bay City's participates in what's called the Alliance Property Insurance

550
00:49:24,890 --> 00:49:30,430
Program. We still obtain our first 2 million of coverage through that program. We call it

551
00:49:30,430 --> 00:49:35,130
PIP core coverage, and then beyond that, we purchase an additional 3 million

552
00:49:35,130 --> 00:49:39,130
and excess coverage just for our pool, so we don't share that with any other

553
00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:44,290
pools. It's just for our 21 participating agencies and base cities. There's an

554
00:49:44,290 --> 00:49:50,250
additional layer called the BBR endorsement. This endorsement essentially buys

555
00:49:50,250 --> 00:49:55,070
down some deductibles. It takes some of your limits outside of your primary A PIP

556
00:49:55,070 --> 00:49:59,070
core and excess limits and sets them outside of those so you get additional

557
00:49:59,070 --> 00:50:03,870
limits for things like notification costs, so in the event of a breach you are required

558
00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:09,610
to notify individuals, provide credit monitoring services, and so this endorsement provides

559
00:50:09,610 --> 00:50:15,350
that additional coverage on top of the first and second layer.

560
00:50:16,410 --> 00:50:22,530
Additionally, the BBR endorsement eliminates some of the sublimits that are in the first

561
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:28,310
layer of coverage, and that is because the town is following specific security protocols

562
00:50:28,310 --> 00:50:33,050
that the carriers have designated as required to obtain this additional coverage.

563
00:50:33,730 --> 00:50:38,930
And so the town is doing that and there are additional sublimits through

564
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:43,710
the excess cyber insurance that extend the sublimits in the first layer.

565
00:50:44,050 --> 00:50:46,770
So it's a very complicated coverage.

566
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:50,630
It used to not be complicated and as you can imagine over the years,

567
00:50:51,150 --> 00:50:55,230
there seems to be a new term every year of something that we are covering

568
00:50:55,230 --> 00:51:03,090
or trying to cover or trying to address, but the town has certainly done a great job in maintaining

569
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:07,730
the highest of security protocols to maintain excellent coverage.

570
00:51:12,530 --> 00:51:13,770
When an incident occurs

571
00:51:14,250 --> 00:51:20,710
through the claims process, so Beasley, which is the BBR stands for Beasley Breach Response,

572
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:29,470
months. So they provide pre-vetted vendors. They have a hotline that is monitored 24-7. So in

573
00:51:29,470 --> 00:51:36,350
the event of a cyber event, your town staff and the team that was outlined a few slides

574
00:51:36,350 --> 00:51:46,350
earlier would reach out to Beasley also to me and to alliance the broker that we use to place

575
00:51:46,350 --> 00:51:53,950
within APIP. And so you have three different kind of prongs that would be working on this

576
00:51:53,950 --> 00:52:01,690
in the event if there was to be an event. Immediately your team would work with MIR and IT

577
00:52:02,670 --> 00:52:09,310
easily if there is a ransomware demand typically responds within one hour. They are very quick

578
00:52:09,310 --> 00:52:16,330
to respond, and then typically within 24 hours for any other related event.

579
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:22,690
The coverage does, if you are down for eight hours or more, is when your coverage would

580
00:52:22,690 --> 00:52:26,990
start, so that they're not trying, if your system goes down for two hours, they can't cover

581
00:52:26,990 --> 00:52:32,710
each of those events, but eight hours which is relatively low in the number of hours to

582
00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:33,510
trigger coverage.

583
00:52:34,530 --> 00:52:55,690
And so we would work with the town and with more NIT and also with Beasley to assign appropriate vendors to assist you through the process, higher consultants if needed, and they have a whole list of approved vendors, and if you use their vendors that are previously vetted, there is additional coverage there as well.

584
00:52:57,770 --> 00:53:03,770
So starting three years ago, Bay City started the cyber liability program, and within that

585
00:53:03,770 --> 00:53:11,390
program, the board felt it was important to have every member conduct an annual risk

586
00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:11,870
assessment.

587
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:18,910
And so we have a member on our team Lee Kane, not to Jeff was referencing earlier, who has

588
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:26,690
met with each individual participating agency in the cyber liability program to identify

589
00:53:28,570 --> 00:53:34,790
areas of weakness within their systems, areas where they can improve, and the board

590
00:53:35,490 --> 00:53:40,150
determined that those annual assessments were mandatory to participate in the cyber liability

591
00:53:40,150 --> 00:53:40,870
coverage.

592
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:46,510
Access coverage is purchased as a group, so you are only as strong as your weakest link,

593
00:53:46,510 --> 00:53:56,130
And so they determine that that should be a mandatory process in all 21 members participate in the cyber program and they all have these annual audits conducted.

594
00:53:57,370 --> 00:54:05,930
The second piece of that is receiving your report and a lot of times there's not a town that is perfect or a city that is perfect.

595
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:11,530
Everybody has areas to look at, to improve, to update a policy or review policy.

596
00:54:11,530 --> 00:54:16,670
And so our cyber risk manager will create a report with top recommendations.

597
00:54:17,290 --> 00:54:26,110
And then each member is required to submit a plan back to base cities that essentially says we've received our report.

598
00:54:26,330 --> 00:54:28,330
We acknowledge the top five deficiencies.

599
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:30,570
Here's how we plan to address those.

600
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:35,250
It doesn't set a timeline because some IT initiatives can be very costly and

601
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:38,130
we know that they can take time to implement.

602
00:54:38,130 --> 00:54:45,990
but they wanted the board wanted acknowledgement of we received our plan, we see our weaknesses and we are going to work on these.

603
00:54:46,510 --> 00:54:52,430
So that process started three years ago and has been conducted every year since and is going very well.

604
00:54:54,850 --> 00:55:04,110
The cyber carriers in the last, you know, five years ago in those applications were 11 pages long and then they got longer.

605
00:55:04,110 --> 00:55:18,670
And they are very focused on all of the things that Marin IT has made sure that the town has prioritized, as far as security protocols, which has allowed everyone to keep our access coverage, which is great.

606
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:28,890
Thank you, Jason. I just want to add to that, we think of insurance as being their reactionary to an incident, but in this case the board is thinking ahead to these incidents.

607
00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:55,090
and I was on a call with Stephanie and David Cooper a couple weeks ago to talk about this report and the reason why cities and towns around are in the Bay City's pool are starting to do things is because of the direction the board of directors for Bay City's took so it's really helping us understand what we need to do to not only continue to have coverage going forward, but to have the right software processes in place to protect us against these incidents as well.

608
00:55:55,090 --> 00:56:05,790
And then just if there was truly a cyber incident that hit the town, our reports that we have, as I mentioned earlier,

609
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:09,630
the business continuity, the technology recovery in the cyber incident response.

610
00:56:10,030 --> 00:56:14,530
Have us writing a report to a council within 30 days of the Restoration Plan.

611
00:56:14,670 --> 00:56:24,330
Will Gbeary, not only the members at this table, but the Alliance, Beasley, anybody to see where the town could improve what things we need to do.

612
00:56:24,330 --> 00:56:29,330
we would update those plans accordingly, and then depending on the type of events provide

613
00:56:29,330 --> 00:56:33,670
staff training to hopefully prevent any other future incidents occurring.

614
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:38,190
And that's the end of our slideshow, and we'll take any questions you may have.

615
00:56:38,330 --> 00:56:38,570
Thank you.

616
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:39,110
All right.

617
00:56:39,250 --> 00:56:43,670
I actually have a couple of questions, maybe a few.

618
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:52,030
One of the things that stood out to me, Jeff, was the fact that cyber security training

619
00:56:52,030 --> 00:56:54,130
for our town staff isn't mandatory.

620
00:56:56,030 --> 00:57:04,030
For 100% of the employees, we have a good number of employees who have taken it.

621
00:57:04,030 --> 00:57:08,570
I think it was 80% or so, but why isn't it mandatory?

622
00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:15,030
I feel like even if we make it, we send reminders almost every other day,

623
00:57:15,030 --> 00:57:17,730
and we can't get certain individuals to take it.

624
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:21,930
I mean, we can certainly make it mandatory and see if I don't know what

625
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:28,770
the punishment, not the right word, but what it would be if we don't, if people don't

626
00:57:28,770 --> 00:57:29,150
take it.

627
00:57:29,710 --> 00:57:35,650
Well, like I work in a government job and we are required to take it and it's a target

628
00:57:35,650 --> 00:57:41,470
solutions kind of one page primer, it's not even one of those like slide deck ones.

629
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:49,010
It's pretty easy to take, but we are required to take it every year and reaffirm that.

630
00:57:49,010 --> 00:57:58,270
I don't think it's much, but I think making sure that just all staff are aware of this would be a good thing.

631
00:58:00,850 --> 00:58:17,630
Secondly, the town, we rely very heavily on Marin IT, and if Marin IT itself were compromised, what would prevent say an attacker from utilizing Marin IT's administrative credentials or

632
00:58:17,630 --> 00:58:19,930
or remote management tools to gain access

633
00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:22,050
to certain platforms in our town.

634
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:24,690
Do you want me to start?

635
00:58:24,990 --> 00:58:25,650
You can start.

636
00:58:26,850 --> 00:58:31,530
So just like you, we also use tools like one password,

637
00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:34,890
which is a way to store our passwords.

638
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:39,050
We can hide those passwords from any technician

639
00:58:39,630 --> 00:58:42,010
so that while they can gain access to a site,

640
00:58:42,110 --> 00:58:45,010
they don't necessarily have to see the password.

641
00:58:45,010 --> 00:58:51,490
We have to do multi-factor authentication ourselves in order to gain access to our own network.

642
00:58:52,350 --> 00:58:58,950
So we follow the same exact processes and procedures because that makes the most sense

643
00:58:59,390 --> 00:59:02,470
to protect ourselves so that we can protect you.

644
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:05,710
So I would say that's kind of the couple key ones.

645
00:59:05,710 --> 00:59:10,190
Yeah, and I think one of the biggest things to point out is that we're currently internally

646
00:59:10,190 --> 00:59:17,490
going through a process of removing any of our employees' abilities to see any of your

647
00:59:17,490 --> 00:59:22,150
passwords when they log in to your equipment, everything is kept in an encrypted vault.

648
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:28,890
And it requires two factor on our side of the network to access where the passwords live,

649
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:34,710
but there's no ability or there will be no ability shortly, so like export a list or take a

650
00:59:34,710 --> 00:59:35,510
list away.

651
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:41,110
You go. Okay, so two at least two questions on this front. What is your own

652
00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:46,670
compliance with your own train internal training for resilience against

653
00:59:46,670 --> 00:59:52,370
phishing attacks for marine IT staff? We also use no before for ourselves. And we

654
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:56,490
do require it for everybody. Yes. And then what's your and what's your own

655
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:59,970
pass rate. That would be a question for you.

656
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,320
That is a question for me, but I don't know our own stats at this moment. We have two newer staff members that I believe have been assigned, but I think it you, that is. Yeah, I mean, it seems like our greatest vulnerability is actually through you right now. Frankly, yeah, right? Like access to your credentials, access to your systems gives access to everything in ours. So it would be very important to know what you're going to find looks like. Correct. Yeah.

657
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:37,140
And we do go through the same audits with our insurance company, and our cyber carrier as well, annually, I believe we have to fill everything out.

658
01:00:38,260 --> 01:00:41,180
And I had questions about the schedule assessment.

659
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:52,560
You know, there were five deficiencies identified there, and of the five deficiencies identified, three are still in progress.

660
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,060
So what is the cart target completion date for each?

661
01:00:56,580 --> 01:01:08,840
We said by the end of this year for those three, so the outstanding ones are a portable media policy, a shared account policy, and a social media policy, which I think we have.

662
01:01:09,020 --> 01:01:14,280
We just need to tweak it a little bit, so it's just those three policies is the three outstanding from this last fiscal year.

663
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Am I right to assume that the shared, what did you say the shared account, shared account policy is probably the most important of those three.

664
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:38,860
Yes. Okay, so I assume that's taking priority. Okay. And if you, to the whole team, if you had to identify one cyber security vulnerability that you would most like our counsel to address over the next 12 months,

665
01:01:39,660 --> 01:01:44,000
what would that be into the degree you know, what would be the cost associated with that?

666
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,840
There

667
01:01:47,210 --> 01:01:51,850
are a couple other CrowdStrike products that I think would be interesting to talk about.

668
01:01:51,970 --> 01:01:57,690
One will scan all your share point and your mail so it's got hooks into your office environment.

669
01:01:58,750 --> 01:02:02,310
It will also talk to proofpoint which is the spam filter.

670
01:02:02,910 --> 01:02:06,610
So I think more eyes on that stuff would probably be a really good idea.

671
01:02:08,510 --> 01:02:12,210
I think the password thing we were just talking about is huge, quite honestly.

672
01:02:12,210 --> 01:02:21,190
So I don't know what the adoption rate within the city of one password is. That's the tool we use, but if everybody's using that, I think that would be great.

673
01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:24,870
I can confirm everyone is enrolled.

674
01:02:25,590 --> 01:02:32,030
I cannot speak to how often people are using their passwords into the system.

675
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:44,590
Yeah, and I guess, for Jeff, what would you consider to, like, constitute a significant

676
01:02:44,590 --> 01:02:50,130
cyber incident for the purposes of notifying this council, like, for example, today we

677
01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:53,310
had to reset my password because there was a shady log in for somewhere.

678
01:02:53,970 --> 01:02:54,930
I don't expect that.

679
01:02:55,070 --> 01:02:55,410
I don't know.

680
01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:59,790
Maybe they may be the other council members were notified, but, like, what rises to that

681
01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:00,050
level?

682
01:03:00,050 --> 01:03:00,970
Yeah,

683
01:03:05,700 --> 01:03:12,440
I don't we don't think we currently we don't have anything that would today was our first incident of

684
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,060
Crowdstrike in action

685
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:18,540
Someone's computer had some malware Crowdstrike found it deleted it removed everything

686
01:03:19,420 --> 01:03:21,900
So I guess it's up to the council direct staff

687
01:03:21,900 --> 01:03:28,240
What level would you like to when would you like to hear about something something like that? Okay?

688
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:29,760
I'm

689
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:36,100
It's you tell me and I'll we'll be communicative with whatever happens sure and

690
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:42,860
This may be a question for Jaysa if we did suffer

691
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:51,340
catastrophic cyber attack what portion of the financial consequences would not be covered by our insurance

692
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,560
Without having specific seven event. It's really hard to put a dollar amount to that

693
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:09,680
But the details of the policy, there are various sublimates to certain types of costs associated

694
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:10,480
with the claims.

695
01:04:10,740 --> 01:04:15,540
So without knowing a specific event and the details around it, it's hard to put a dollar

696
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:16,060
amount to that.

697
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:16,340
Okay.

698
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:17,560
That's reasonable.

699
01:04:17,820 --> 01:04:19,480
And I promised this to my final question.

700
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:25,820
And the reason I asked these questions is because in working for government agency a few years

701
01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:30,680
ago we had one of our departments that had a huge ransomware attack that required a

702
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:37,020
full-on tear-down rebuild of the networking system and it was you know this was a library

703
01:04:37,020 --> 01:04:44,660
and so they provide a lot of public services and it was truly catastrophic but as the kind

704
01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:51,160
of security and detection improves and involves I notice we're relying a lot more on AI for

705
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:58,940
detection. What is, I guess, what is the human oversight on that and what happens if AI

706
01:04:58,940 --> 01:05:05,780
incorrectly identifies something safe as malicious or identifies something malicious

707
01:05:05,780 --> 01:05:07,160
that is actually safe?

708
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:08,460
It's just a bigger risk.

709
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:08,800
Yeah.

710
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:17,920
Well, we have what's called child can complete, which is the CrowdStrike product that is doing

711
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:24,080
that, so it does go through an AI layer, but there is a security operation center also

712
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:25,680
watching and checking everything.

713
01:05:27,300 --> 01:05:31,320
So it gets a human sanity check, I guess, would be the way to see that.

714
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:32,240
Okay, that's good to know.

715
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:43,120
There, you have to define a layer of what you're going to allow them to do without, without

716
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,660
if they can't get a hold of us.

717
01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:49,880
We set up a call list with them and if there's an event they call I think we're an IT first, Jeff second

718
01:05:50,440 --> 01:05:53,000
They go through the call list so they can't get a hold of everyone

719
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,120
We've told them that they're authorized to isolate any machine that has a problem with the assumption that if we create a

720
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,580
We'll deal with the fallout from them isolating something

721
01:06:04,100 --> 01:06:09,140
After we look into it as opposed the only customer that that we don't do that with is the hospital

722
01:06:09,140 --> 01:06:12,380
With that's the hospital we're afraid it might be a machine running up

723
01:06:12,380 --> 01:06:18,280
a pump or a medical equipment but other than that our standing orders to everyone that's

724
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,940
on this program to crowd strike is isolate anything the creates a problem will deal with

725
01:06:23,940 --> 01:06:29,720
if we upset somebody by accident so that's sort of the kind of a more careful approach

726
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:35,360
than call 10 people on a phone while a virus is running around the network so that's sort

727
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,100
of how we're approaching that.

728
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,200
Great.

729
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,100
Thank you and thank you all for asking my answer in my questions.

730
01:06:41,100 --> 01:06:45,640
Yeah, and then the other thing I just want to church when you asked about the security stuff

731
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:51,200
We're finding more and more a good AI policy and some some guardrails around that

732
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:56,660
When it came to my mind when you said AI sure and then your previous question

733
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:02,720
So we've got a couple customers that are working on AI policies. We're working on one for ourselves

734
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,660
We're working on one for ourselves. We can all kind of share

735
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,940
But it's it's an interesting topic for sure

736
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:17,660
Okay, so there are really, I think it would be helpful to distinguish, we have two different

737
01:07:17,660 --> 01:07:18,900
attack scenarios, right?

738
01:07:19,060 --> 01:07:22,020
We have the human-centered attack, and then we have the system-centered attack.

739
01:07:22,740 --> 01:07:28,840
You know, in 2024, the human-system attack, that was like marine housing authority, where,

740
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:33,120
you know, got into email accounts, redirected a million dollars, right?

741
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:39,020
That's as likely a scenario as ransomware, which requires insurance coverage or whatever

742
01:07:39,020 --> 01:07:42,420
other kinds of things, right? And then you have the security vulnerability. So, okay,

743
01:07:42,660 --> 01:07:48,440
let's take the, like, person-centered attack first, right? So, you get a phishing email

744
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,720
or text, you know, the employee who has failed the note before or failed to take it, enters

745
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:58,580
their credentials into a fake Microsoft login, the attacker gets into their email, they're

746
01:07:58,580 --> 01:08:03,120
watching the conversations, now they impersonate an employee or vendor, they change the payment

747
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:10,440
instructions redirect funds. I didn't hear in this report what our actual like

748
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:15,800
processes or procedures are for resilience to that type of attack

749
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:23,120
exactly right because it's one point of insertion which is I put my

750
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,220
credentials into a fake Microsoft login but then I have access to all these

751
01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:32,560
other systems which would go outside of detection it seems from what you've just

752
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:38,580
described, and what's the sort of process and procedure that would prevent them once

753
01:08:38,580 --> 01:08:44,920
they have access to your credentials, Jeff, from redirecting payments from one account

754
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:45,520
to another.

755
01:08:46,100 --> 01:08:50,420
What's our actual, right, sort of, you know, posture against that?

756
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:56,180
All the systems do require two factors, so even if they got my username and password but

757
01:08:56,180 --> 01:08:57,920
but then wanted to log onto my computer,

758
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,600
it does still require do a log on.

759
01:09:01,900 --> 01:09:04,080
I'm not sure that covers what you're asking or not.

760
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,440
Well, it does and it doesn't,

761
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:11,000
because the multi-factor authentication may or may not

762
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:14,960
be on for the system to which that person is also looking

763
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:15,740
for access, right?

764
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,600
The bank account, the payment account, et cetera, et cetera,

765
01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:18,880
right?

766
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,960
Unless I misunderstood all those two FA laws.

767
01:09:21,980 --> 01:09:24,560
We can talk about, like, principle of least privilege.

768
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,160
you know, nobody has the keys to the capsule.

769
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:28,360
Well, Jeff does.

770
01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:31,440
No, he does, right?

771
01:09:31,660 --> 01:09:33,980
I mean, if somebody gained access to Jeff's credentials,

772
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:36,280
he has all the financials.

773
01:09:36,420 --> 01:09:39,440
So for the bank accounts to do anything with that,

774
01:09:39,700 --> 01:09:40,540
I do get it.

775
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:42,760
There is a code, six digit code from Wells Fargo

776
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:43,600
that we need to enter.

777
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,020
And not one user here can initiate and approve a wire

778
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:51,620
or an ACH or any sort of payment.

779
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,720
It's great, the except box is great out.

780
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,420
it needs to be approved by Dave, so it requires two people to do this.

781
01:09:57,820 --> 01:10:03,840
Also added that is the number one thing I get phone calls about related to this type

782
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:09,880
of coverage is oh I got an instruction to change this and we sent it over here and the

783
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:15,560
carriers 10 times out of 10 there should be a policy within your policy that is that happens

784
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,920
you're picking up the phone and you're calling that individual they're looking for policies

785
01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:24,680
in place that create that secondary check, not for people?

786
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:29,700
That's really what I'm keeping in on here is what are the policies that we have in place

787
01:10:29,700 --> 01:10:36,740
from an operational standpoint to prevent once someone gains that access to that insertion

788
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:43,560
point that prevents them from taking the undesired actions within our systems, right, of record

789
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:44,740
financially or otherwise?

790
01:10:44,740 --> 01:10:50,260
Yes, so currently we are only form of payment for most vendors is checks.

791
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:56,100
The only ones we pay wire is our JPAs for police and fire, and that's in payroll.

792
01:10:56,620 --> 01:11:02,180
But even after we have myself at an initiated day of approval, Wells Fargo still sends an

793
01:11:02,180 --> 01:11:06,640
email saying, are you sure you want to send this money out and you have to respond with, yes,

794
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:07,460
what's the dollar amount?

795
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,220
Where's it going?

796
01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:10,240
So, that's the final check from Wells Fargo.

797
01:11:10,500 --> 01:11:11,800
The last day had access to your email, that's easy.

798
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,300
But yes.

799
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:12,460
Yes.

800
01:11:13,300 --> 01:11:13,520
Sure.

801
01:11:13,740 --> 01:11:14,700
No, but that makes sense.

802
01:11:14,860 --> 01:11:17,920
At least that there's required two people to approve.

803
01:11:19,500 --> 01:11:19,940
That's helpful.

804
01:11:20,260 --> 01:11:20,360
Okay.

805
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:24,020
So, Marin IT, I'm going to TN on you again.

806
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:24,280
Sorry.

807
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:25,420
Okay.

808
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:26,000
Okay.

809
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:32,240
But you serve multiple jurisdictions across IT, across Marin, excuse me.

810
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:40,280
So what isolation or segmentation do you have between your clients that ensures a breach

811
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:47,640
Right in one wouldn't affect us all of our clients passwords are kept in separate one password vaults

812
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:50,420
So all of the credentials not they're not mixed together

813
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,140
Our remote access system is a cloud system

814
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:03,440
If I was to think of one thing that is shared they would probably be that it's our ticketing system

815
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:09,560
And it's how we track everything, but again, no passwords or credentials are kept in it. They're completely separate

816
01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:16,380
from a network perspective, a number of the entities are on what's called

817
01:12:16,380 --> 01:12:21,580
Midas, which is a county-provided network. There are firewalls and logging

818
01:12:21,580 --> 01:12:26,780
sim between all of the different entities and there isn't really any direct

819
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:31,160
network to network communication between, except for the law enforcement.

820
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:36,040
And some were doing like packets sniffing or something on Midas, like that would

821
01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:41,360
be detected? Because I can go to the, you know, county and log on to Midas

822
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:45,280
really easily. Like I don't need a password for referring to Midas the

823
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,880
wireless network. That's completely isolated. That hasn't, I have that cannot

824
01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:56,020
talk into any of the cities or the towns or it's completely. Okay, and it's tunneled

825
01:12:56,020 --> 01:13:00,380
as well. So when you get on that SSID, it tunnels your traffic back to the

826
01:13:00,380 --> 01:13:04,420
core of the network. It doesn't drop it locally. It actually puts it in a tunnel,

827
01:13:04,420 --> 01:13:10,080
sends it to the other side and drops it off and its own firewall zone that can then go to the internet only.

828
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:12,760
Got it. Okay. That's the way that's configured. Great.

829
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:21,060
Okay. Jeff, I already talked to you a little bit about the remedial training for your failure points on the staff.

830
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:27,160
But it seems like you can identify the people who fail the fishing events.

831
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:34,480
And it seems like an optional additional training may not be sufficient for those people.

832
01:13:34,860 --> 01:13:39,480
I would recommend that staff follow up personally and individually with people who fail those

833
01:13:39,480 --> 01:13:46,200
attempts, because as we've just described, that's probably the most likely point of failure

834
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:46,720
here.

835
01:13:47,740 --> 01:13:52,880
Normally, it's a human error, you know, peb-cac, as they say.

836
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,800
The problem exists between the chair and keyboard.

837
01:13:55,820 --> 01:14:03,660
That's where, right, the point of failure is, so that's really helpful, and then, I guess,

838
01:14:05,180 --> 01:14:07,180
sorry, I had one other question.

839
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:13,220
Sorry, I'm looking at all my notes here that I had about this.

840
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:22,120
Okay, so last question. When we are migrating to Tyler,

841
01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:36,260
Do we have any interim safeguards protecting things in the interim from unauthorized access in the current cloud environment for the financial system?

842
01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:38,940
We're going to Tyler, but we're not there yet.

843
01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:41,840
So what's current protection in place until we get there?

844
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:47,160
So currently only four people in finance have access to the application.

845
01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:57,780
Those users' rights are determined by their rights are determined by users what they

846
01:14:57,780 --> 01:14:59,960
doing their data to activity in terms of...

847
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,400
As of if something were to happen that shut it down for a while, we, David and Stephanie and I talked, we could boot it up on our last known backup which would have been the night before. Boot that back up either at Marine IT or some other locations so we could pay vendors, do payroll, whatever we need to before it getting booted back up on the town server. So we've talked about it but hopefully we don't have to find a place to boot it back up. Okay.

848
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:34,080
Yeah, you know, I think this is all very important.

849
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:36,320
Obviously, I think, what was it?

850
01:15:36,900 --> 01:15:40,040
Like last year, Sausalito got brute force attacked

851
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,240
with like 200,000 years ago, yes.

852
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:44,120
There was, right?

853
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:47,700
Like our neighbors were targeted with 200,000

854
01:15:47,700 --> 01:15:49,720
attempt stacks as their systems, right?

855
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:51,480
So our resilience, all of this, again,

856
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,840
both through people and systems is really important.

857
01:15:53,940 --> 01:15:55,760
So I'm glad we're spending all the time

858
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,260
to both address it and to talk about it.

859
01:15:58,260 --> 01:15:58,960
So thank you.

860
01:15:59,480 --> 01:16:03,740
It's also a little things, they were trying to get in through a VPN.

861
01:16:04,500 --> 01:16:08,440
And so you guys are sampled for your authentication, and it's two factors.

862
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:10,220
So it should be safe from them.

863
01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:12,420
Anyone else? Questions?

864
01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:13,880
Logs were fun.

865
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,280
My questions were covered around the human vulnerability.

866
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,120
You all did that one.

867
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:21,420
All right, then let's open a public comment on this item.

868
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:23,920
Anybody wish to provide public comment in the chamber?

869
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:25,220
And now is your time.

870
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:31,520
You get three minutes seeing no takers, sir. Should we have anybody online? Mayor, we do have one hand-raised?

871
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,420
All right, let's go to the wash. You have been unmuted.

872
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:43,620
This is Josh bleaker cider. Sorry. I couldn't make it there in person. Hey Josh, welcome.

873
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:48,360
Thank you. This is all adjacent to stuff. I work on some. I have a lot of thoughts.

874
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,460
So I'm going to speak sort of quickly to jam it into three minutes. I apologize and bear with me.

875
01:16:53,540 --> 01:16:59,680
First of all like this was super heartening to read like it's much much better condition than I anticipated.

876
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:02,200
being in, like, solid work, grads all around.

877
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:04,780
I was delighted to see that we're getting, like,

878
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:07,260
sat phones and backup communication systems

879
01:17:07,260 --> 01:17:09,640
and I have connectivity to a fire and place.

880
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,640
So, well done.

881
01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:13,020
There were few places where I was certainly

882
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:13,940
have loved a lot more detail.

883
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,020
Like, I sure hope that the immutable things

884
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:18,260
are going to S3 or someplace like that.

885
01:17:18,700 --> 01:17:21,480
I wanted to add that 30 days retention

886
01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:23,240
is probably not enough for that.

887
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,140
You can imagine somebody in the town

888
01:17:25,140 --> 01:17:27,040
being frustrated with the property process

889
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:29,880
and asking their AI agent to figure out

890
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,100
how to make their application go through and the agent deciding that the way to solve that

891
01:17:34,100 --> 01:17:38,340
is to hack into the system and make their application go through, and that getting discovered

892
01:17:38,340 --> 01:17:43,140
much later. So right of boom, you really want to have lots of history. I also didn't see much

893
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:49,500
about audit trails or logging there. Like S3 is a dead sheep. There's no reason we shouldn't have

894
01:17:49,500 --> 01:17:56,840
like these immutable backups basically forever. I was partnered here in the conversation here

895
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:03,740
in the chamber that it takes two people to cut checks and that very few payments are done online,

896
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,980
but in the report you said that we are trying to move more payments to be online and so there's

897
01:18:07,980 --> 01:18:16,660
a bit of a disconnect there. On the rebuild side, I'm curious, are those estimates the 24 and 48 hours

898
01:18:16,660 --> 01:18:20,620
or if you ever actually done the rebuild? Because if you haven't, I don't think we actually know.

899
01:18:21,060 --> 01:18:24,240
Also, I was curious about how long we take to do a full rebuild from scratch,

900
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:31,520
of individual systems. I was hoping to see some details of what the tabletop exercise looked like

901
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,340
because depending on exactly what threat model you're planning for, those can be incredibly useful

902
01:18:36,340 --> 01:18:46,200
or they can turn out not to match reality. I was curious in the complete down case,

903
01:18:47,050 --> 01:18:51,560
is it established what the sort of chain it commanded, who is the point for making decisions,

904
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,660
because that chooses the hardest part is establishing who is actually running the show.

905
01:18:56,580 --> 01:19:00,800
Ideally, there'll be somebody who knows a little bit about being an incident commander

906
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:05,260
and otherwise how you handle a cyber security incident because these are

907
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,980
there are standard roles and it can work really smoothly if you know what you're doing and can be

908
01:19:08,980 --> 01:19:15,820
very chaotic, particularly communications-wise if you don't. It would be nice as we communicate

909
01:19:15,820 --> 01:19:20,160
with our residents about this stuff to maybe also specify that like if the phones are down,

910
01:19:21,020 --> 01:19:26,400
People would probably feel it was not anyway, but like the town center, town hall is a good emergency meeting point for coordinating.

911
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:43,240
It was good to see that there's contacts established for fire and police, but I didn't know if you had designated points of contacts with neighbors and the state, and so far as you needed that, and that is time I've hit more or less all of it, sorry for talking really fast.

912
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,600
Thanks, Josh. You're a great way to get it all in there.

913
01:19:47,660 --> 01:19:48,220
We'll have them.

914
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:49,520
Yeah.

915
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:52,500
Anybody else for public comment on this item?

916
01:19:52,980 --> 01:19:54,400
And Mayor, we have no other hands raised.

917
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:56,600
Okay, so we'll close public comment.

918
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,200
We'll bring it back here.

919
01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:59,900
There's no action.

920
01:20:00,140 --> 01:20:02,800
We're receiving and filing a report here.

921
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:07,900
So I'll ask if any of my colleagues have any comments on this item.

922
01:20:07,940 --> 01:20:10,480
Just one question that Dave might know the answer to.

923
01:20:10,580 --> 01:20:11,020
Or maybe others.

924
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:18,360
Maroon emergency radio, that was funded by a ballot measure, if I remember correctly.

925
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:25,940
Is it in perpetuity or do we have, since it's our, I believe our third layer, is it a permanent,

926
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,540
leaf-funded option for us?

927
01:20:30,020 --> 01:20:32,240
And what does it require of the town?

928
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:34,800
I have more familiarity at the county wide level.

929
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:38,880
No, I don't know if that was until ended by voters or not, I'm not sure, Steve.

930
01:20:39,220 --> 01:20:39,520
It was.

931
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:46,660
It was okay, so that is a reliable resource and do we have any specific role as a town in?

932
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,360
We'll just have we have a membership on the board. Just like all the other members.

933
01:20:53,370 --> 01:20:53,650
Yeah

934
01:20:53,650 --> 01:20:54,310
Anyone else

935
01:20:54,950 --> 01:21:00,590
Go ahead. Yeah, like Josh. I just want to say thank you. I am pardoned that we have a good

936
01:21:00,590 --> 01:21:06,150
Security and vulnerability posture today. I agree that there are other things we can should be doing

937
01:21:06,150 --> 01:21:11,670
So look forward to continuing that conversation as we continue to strengthen this is like an ever

938
01:21:11,790 --> 01:21:22,030
evolving I don't need to tell you an ever evolving environment that we're operating in so thank you for all the hard work and putting this together appreciate it anyone else and I'll just say

939
01:21:23,230 --> 01:21:33,770
You know to quote Mike Tyson everybody has a plan until you get punched in the face, right? And I you know, we see these threats coming up there

940
01:21:34,750 --> 01:21:38,270
You know engaging government agencies big corporations

941
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:45,710
corporations that have much bigger budgets than we do to provide cyber security, but it's still happening.

942
01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:55,230
And I think with how these threats have evolved and continue to involve, we need to remain hyper vigilant about safeguarding our people and our assets from these threats.

943
01:21:55,710 --> 01:22:07,250
Therefore, I would recommend that we have all of our employees require the training for all of our employees, as you'll have said, the problem typically exists between the chair and the keyboard.

944
01:22:07,250 --> 01:22:20,770
And so I think just by way of making people aware of these threats, particularly the ones that are becoming in Vogue and are trending now that we may not have seen before, I think it's really, really important.

945
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:34,670
I had a situation where it was in a cyber threat, but my grandmother in the last years of her life received a call from somebody saying it was me, and luckily she was heads up enough to give me a call and say, hey, did you just call me?

946
01:22:34,670 --> 01:22:42,910
where you're in a car accident, but it's really disturbing how much of these types of threats

947
01:22:42,910 --> 01:22:49,710
are out there, cyber, those affecting our elder community and anyone really, and they're

948
01:22:49,710 --> 01:22:51,450
getting so much more sophisticated.

949
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:57,870
So I think that's really, for me, where in my day job, the training becomes important because

950
01:22:57,870 --> 01:23:00,650
is, you know, I'm learning about things that, you know,

951
01:23:00,850 --> 01:23:05,010
I may not have seen before, but also, you know, really,

952
01:23:05,390 --> 01:23:07,570
you know, the ones that come in that say, you know,

953
01:23:07,630 --> 01:23:10,510
they're from Bank of America and it looks just like Bank

954
01:23:10,510 --> 01:23:13,090
of America and it's, you know, talking to you,

955
01:23:13,170 --> 01:23:15,590
like it's your account, but it's not.

956
01:23:15,790 --> 01:23:19,370
You look for it's B-O underscore A or something like that.

957
01:23:19,730 --> 01:23:23,450
Like that was eye opening for me is always look at those things

958
01:23:23,450 --> 01:23:25,130
and scrutinize everything.

959
01:23:25,130 --> 01:23:38,470
So I think making sure our staff just have that at the front of our, their mind would be a great improvement and as recommended by Marin IT here, and they do it with their staff, I think it would be prudent for us to recommend it for ours.

960
01:23:38,870 --> 01:23:52,750
So, tons of gratitude for this. I know we probably took way more time than you were expecting on this, but it's a very serious issue and I think, you know, again, protecting our people and our assets are at the front of our minds. So thank you.

961
01:23:52,750 --> 01:24:02,930
All right, with that, we'll move on to our next item, receiving and filing a presentation from the Bay City Joint Power Insurance Authority.

962
01:24:03,490 --> 01:24:04,150
Jason, this is you.

963
01:24:04,510 --> 01:24:05,750
All right, roll in right along.

964
01:24:06,690 --> 01:24:07,950
Do we have-

965
01:24:07,950 --> 01:24:09,410
Yeah, I think it's-

966
01:24:09,410 --> 01:24:10,630
Jason, you can go.

967
01:24:10,750 --> 01:24:13,030
While you're pulling that up, I will just go ahead and get started.

968
01:24:13,270 --> 01:24:15,630
So I will keep this brief.

969
01:24:16,210 --> 01:24:20,730
I will be honest, I have done this presentation over a period of six hours.

970
01:24:20,730 --> 01:24:23,290
I think Dave had the pleasure of sitting through that.

971
01:24:23,970 --> 01:24:27,650
We used it as a training opportunity for our board members a few years ago.

972
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:31,830
I certainly will not take anywhere near that for this, but I will fly through it.

973
01:24:31,930 --> 01:24:33,370
If you have any questions, please let me know.

974
01:24:34,150 --> 01:24:35,650
So Bay City's was formed in 1986.

975
01:24:35,650 --> 01:24:40,690
We are celebrating our 40th year anniversary this year, which is very exciting.

976
01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:45,270
We formed in 1986 in response to the commercial liability market.

977
01:24:45,570 --> 01:24:49,990
And so we started with the liability program with the goal to reduce the amount and

978
01:24:49,990 --> 01:24:52,690
frequency of our losses by risk sharing with other agencies,

979
01:24:53,540 --> 01:24:56,230
saving on our excess purchases by group purchasing

980
01:24:56,230 --> 01:25:00,170
with other members within the JPA.

981
01:25:01,190 --> 01:25:03,310
And San Ensemble joined Bay Cities in 1996

982
01:25:03,310 --> 01:25:04,890
into the liability program.

983
01:25:05,050 --> 01:25:07,990
So San Ensemble has been in Bay Cities for 30 years.

984
01:25:10,420 --> 01:25:13,390
The Bay Cities members are all geographically based

985
01:25:13,390 --> 01:25:14,130
in the Bay Area.

986
01:25:14,550 --> 01:25:17,950
Our bylaws used to state that members must be within

987
01:25:17,950 --> 01:25:19,730
100 miles of Emeryville.

988
01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:24,730
We've since expanded those recently to 250 miles of Emoryville.

989
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:30,250
There's various reasons why you would want to geographically center your JPA.

990
01:25:30,670 --> 01:25:32,670
So we started as a liability pool.

991
01:25:33,130 --> 01:25:43,430
The litigation style and frequency down south is and in the Central Valley is very different than in Northern California, and specifically the Bay Area.

992
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:50,450
So when Bay cities was formed, they originally wanted to keep the membership geographically based around the Bay Area.

993
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:55,910
If you were a property only pool, you probably wouldn't want to just be in the Bay Area.

994
01:25:56,070 --> 01:26:03,330
You'd want to diversify throughout the state, but because we started in the liability program, that is where your membership has landed.

995
01:26:03,570 --> 01:26:07,470
So you'll see that there are only cities and

996
01:26:07,470 --> 01:26:13,570
And fire and police authorities within base cities are bylaws do allow for any public agencies,

997
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:19,930
but we are not interested at this point, the board is not interested in expanding to things like school districts

998
01:26:19,930 --> 01:26:23,750
because they come with their own set of exposures that are very different.

999
01:26:24,170 --> 01:26:29,010
Everyone within base cities is municipality based, so you all have similar exposures.

1000
01:26:29,010 --> 01:26:32,270
And that you have streets, you have sidewalks, you have police, you have fire.

1001
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:41,070
and we're able to pool our risk and around those exposures, which makes them more expected and anticipated.

1002
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:47,970
And we can also create resources to support all of the agencies since you all have similar exposures.

1003
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:57,500
Some of the major advantages of being a member of Bay City is you're sharing the cost of risk with other like-minded agencies within the Bay Area.

1004
01:26:57,500 --> 01:27:07,740
So part of being on the board is attending board meetings and establishing things like risk control plans things like the cyber liability program where you are the board was

1005
01:27:07,740 --> 01:27:23,720
determining whether or not to require an annual audit and we have multiple things amongst all of our programs like that various risk assessments not just focused on cyber but on all areas of your town operations.

1006
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:28,680
It's member controlled, so the governance, each agency has a seat on the board.

1007
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,000
The board also gets to determine coverage.

1008
01:27:31,460 --> 01:27:37,320
So within the liability, you know, work comp, we are pretty much at the mercy of the state.

1009
01:27:37,860 --> 01:27:42,180
But in the liability program, there are various nuances to our memorandum of coverage.

1010
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:49,580
We are not insurance, we are self insurance, we are governed by contract law and our memorandum of coverage within the liability program.

1011
01:27:49,580 --> 01:27:54,500
And the board gets to determine what is or is not covered under that MOC.

1012
01:27:54,920 --> 01:28:02,040
So if they decided we don't want to cover X type of claims that can be written into the MOC.

1013
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:08,360
But in general, the board has wanted coverage to be as broad as its members' exposures are.

1014
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:12,680
Rates are based on the actual claims experience of the members.

1015
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:18,340
I am very proud to say that our liability rates and our pooled layer have reduced every year for

1016
01:28:18,340 --> 01:28:19,320
the last four years.

1017
01:28:19,580 --> 01:28:22,540
That is pretty much unheard of in California right now,

1018
01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:26,180
and that is due to the proactive efforts of the members

1019
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:30,400
and trying to reduce their losses, reduce their frequency,

1020
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:33,740
reduce their severity, and we are seeing those results

1021
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:38,360
in our financial, in our actuarial analyses year over year,

1022
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:39,520
which is fantastic.

1023
01:28:41,060 --> 01:28:42,400
Improved risk control services.

1024
01:28:42,620 --> 01:28:45,320
So annually we conduct, we are conducting right now,

1025
01:28:45,500 --> 01:28:47,080
what we call risk management assessments,

1026
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,500
where we are able to go in and it's really a checklist of best practices.

1027
01:28:51,220 --> 01:28:55,540
And we do that for all the members, it's mandatory, the board decided that should be a mandatory process.

1028
01:28:56,240 --> 01:29:01,740
And once we have finished all of those assessments, we're able to go and look at what are the common denominators?

1029
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:03,640
Where can our members really use support?

1030
01:29:04,100 --> 01:29:12,740
Where can we tailor our services and our trainings to support all of the agencies to reduce risk within their towns and cities?

1031
01:29:13,420 --> 01:29:17,840
better clean management services and investment income is retained by the JPA.

1032
01:29:19,260 --> 01:29:23,820
Some of the potential disadvantages of a JPA are that ultimate cost is not guaranteed.

1033
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:30,840
So similarly to where if the JPA as a whole is doing well and the board can approve

1034
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:37,540
what's called a dividend where we give money back, members can also be subject to assessments

1035
01:29:37,540 --> 01:29:39,320
if we did not collect enough in those years.

1036
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:44,340
base cities has never collected in the 40 years in assessment for our pooled layer.

1037
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:49,620
Something that the board has been very proactive about, we fund conservatively,

1038
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:57,300
and we have really strong net position policies in place to ensure that we are collecting enough

1039
01:29:57,300 --> 01:29:59,680
to pay for the losses that we're expecting to have.

1040
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:27,280
Members are jointly and separately liable. So, as a member of the JPA, you cannot say, oh, I don't want to pay for that claim over there, because I don't like it. That's not how the JPA works once you sign the JPA agreement. We're not an insurance company, so it requires active participation by our board members. So, Jeff is very active on the board of directors. He sits on multiple committees, including our executive committee. I work at the direction of the board.

1041
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:47,060
So, I need our board members to be active in participatory and we truly have such a collaborative board of directors who truly try to work together to problem solve and be proactive to find solutions for things that are impacting not just their agency but other agencies as well.

1042
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,240
And it is a governing board with fiduciary responsibilities.

1043
01:30:53,990 --> 01:30:59,810
Governance, each member of Bay City has a representative on the Board of Directors and one alternate representative.

1044
01:31:00,130 --> 01:31:04,710
Our Board of Directors meets two to three times per year or more frequently as needed.

1045
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:09,630
The day-to-day is really run by the Executive Committee, which meets four to five times per year.

1046
01:31:09,850 --> 01:31:13,710
And that's comprised of seven members, Jeff Zipes on our Executive Committee.

1047
01:31:14,150 --> 01:31:19,770
And we have a nominating committee that assists in appointing members to the Executive Committee and

1048
01:31:19,770 --> 01:31:22,750
in our various other JPAs that we participate in,

1049
01:31:22,850 --> 01:31:24,270
which are listed on the right-hand side,

1050
01:31:24,490 --> 01:31:26,010
Karma Irma and Locke's.

1051
01:31:30,430 --> 01:31:32,550
Going quickly through our primary programs,

1052
01:31:32,710 --> 01:31:33,890
these are not all of our programs.

1053
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:35,750
We have some other ancillary programs

1054
01:31:35,750 --> 01:31:37,150
that I did not include in here,

1055
01:31:37,250 --> 01:31:39,270
but these are our primary programs.

1056
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:42,070
Like I mentioned, we started in 1986

1057
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:43,430
with the liability program,

1058
01:31:43,650 --> 01:31:46,550
all 21 members of Bay City's now participate

1059
01:31:46,550 --> 01:31:49,530
in the liability program with the town of Tiberon,

1060
01:31:49,690 --> 01:31:51,790
recently joining us at July 1st.

1061
01:31:51,790 --> 01:31:52,610
That's very exciting.

1062
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:59,630
This town has an SIR of $10,000 in this program, which means that the town is responsible

1063
01:31:59,630 --> 01:32:02,370
for the first $10,000 of every claim.

1064
01:32:03,150 --> 01:32:05,890
Above that, we have what's called our pooled layer, up to $2 million.

1065
01:32:06,190 --> 01:32:11,790
That's our base city's pooled layer, so that's the layer that you are all resharing in.

1066
01:32:12,370 --> 01:32:15,650
And then above that, we participate in an excess pool called Karma.

1067
01:32:15,650 --> 01:32:22,290
We purchase excess, they are a pool and then above that they purchase a combination of

1068
01:32:22,290 --> 01:32:26,230
reinsurance and excess insurance for total limits of $44.5 million.

1069
01:32:26,710 --> 01:32:28,710
That $44.5 million is new this year.

1070
01:32:28,990 --> 01:32:34,990
The board just approved purchasing an additional $10 million in limits from last year which we

1071
01:32:34,990 --> 01:32:45,770
we were able to obtain again because of our proactive loss reduction and focus on reducing

1072
01:32:45,770 --> 01:32:47,650
our frequency and severity of our losses.

1073
01:32:50,370 --> 01:32:55,410
The Workers' Compensation Program started a few years later in 2002, currently 16 of

1074
01:32:55,410 --> 01:32:57,470
our members participate in this program.

1075
01:32:57,910 --> 01:33:00,970
You'll see these self-insured retention are a little bit higher.

1076
01:33:01,190 --> 01:33:01,830
That's intentional.

1077
01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:05,990
We have evaluated multiple times if the board would like to look at lower retentions

1078
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:13,430
But currently the town has an SIR of 150,000. We have a pooled layer up to a million dollars and we participate in an excess

1079
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:20,570
JPA called locks and above that another the largest JPA in the nation called Prism

1080
01:33:20,570 --> 01:33:25,030
And we participate through those two JPs for statutory limits.

1081
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,120
The property program started one year later in

1082
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:35,000
In 2003, 19 of our 21 members currently participate in the property program.

1083
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,440
The town has a $10,000 SIR in this program.

1084
01:33:38,440 --> 01:33:45,600
This is the Alliance Property Insurance Program in the excess that I mentioned through the cyber presentation earlier.

1085
01:33:46,460 --> 01:33:53,220
And so we have a pooled layer up to $250,000, and then we purchase excess coverage above 250.

1086
01:33:53,220 --> 01:34:04,860
The important thing to note about the pooled layers, both our pooled layers and our JPA partners that we participate in is that that is not purchased commercial insurance.

1087
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:12,900
So when we are paying our contributions for those annually, they're doing the same thing we are where they're looking at, okay, did we collect enough?

1088
01:34:13,160 --> 01:34:15,380
Yes, did we collect more than enough?

1089
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,880
Yes, great, we have the potential to return some of those funds back to the membership or

1090
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:23,920
or no, we didn't collect enough and we need to assess to bring those programmers whole.

1091
01:34:24,540 --> 01:34:34,500
Our excess pools are very viscally responsible as are we, and I think that the further you

1092
01:34:34,500 --> 01:34:38,060
can get from the commercial market, that is the benefit of being in a risk pool.

1093
01:34:38,260 --> 01:34:43,080
So we've done that not only through base cities, but also through our excess JPA partners.

1094
01:34:46,040 --> 01:34:50,360
On the next slide, this is a new coverage this year, this parametric earthquake coverage.

1095
01:34:50,360 --> 01:34:57,500
So, before July 1st, none of the members of Bay City's purchased earthquake coverage.

1096
01:34:59,060 --> 01:35:04,760
We used to purchase it up until 9-11 and then the market, the commercial insurance market,

1097
01:35:05,060 --> 01:35:05,680
skyrocketed.

1098
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,040
The coverage became essentially unobtainable, it was very expensive.

1099
01:35:10,820 --> 01:35:16,420
It comes with high deductibles and so we as Bay City stopped purchasing that coverage.

1100
01:35:16,420 --> 01:35:19,480
the board decided to stop purchasing it right after 9-11.

1101
01:35:20,500 --> 01:35:25,920
Starting in July 1st of this year, we are now purchasing a product called Parametric

1102
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:26,900
Earthquake Coverage.

1103
01:35:27,700 --> 01:35:30,180
The town purchases 4 million in limits.

1104
01:35:30,700 --> 01:35:34,860
Please scratchable in number three, there is no SIR for this program that is your

1105
01:35:34,860 --> 01:35:39,180
property program SIR. This sits entirely outside of your property program.

1106
01:35:39,980 --> 01:35:44,180
Parametric coverage works differently than your traditional earthquake coverage.

1107
01:35:45,220 --> 01:35:50,020
parametric is based on the event, not the damage, and so the town is purchasing 4 million

1108
01:35:50,020 --> 01:35:55,040
in limits, and the scale of payments is issued based on shaking intensity of the ground.

1109
01:35:55,660 --> 01:36:01,820
So the trigger is the earthquake, and the payout is based on the shaking intensity, and there

1110
01:36:01,820 --> 01:36:07,680
is a, I believe we put the payout table on the next page.

1111
01:36:07,940 --> 01:36:12,100
So there were two options that were evaluated, a base option and a light option.

1112
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:19,280
As you can see, the base option provides payout earlier than the light option, and everyone

1113
01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,220
that is purchasing this coverage through base cities, which is all but two members this

1114
01:36:23,220 --> 01:36:26,120
year, is purchasing the base option.

1115
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:31,340
We're group purchasing this, so everyone received a pretty significant reduction in premium

1116
01:36:31,340 --> 01:36:34,420
for this coverage for 2627.

1117
01:36:36,220 --> 01:36:42,700
Funds are received quickly unlike a traditional earthquake policy where you are waiting for

1118
01:36:42,700 --> 01:36:49,220
adjusters that can take years and years for a claim to close the event happens.

1119
01:36:49,740 --> 01:36:55,740
You confirm that the event happened, they confirm the shaking of the ground intensity and

1120
01:36:55,740 --> 01:36:56,600
the issue payment.

1121
01:36:56,820 --> 01:37:02,780
And that payment can be utilized for not just your damaged potential buildings, but for things

1122
01:37:02,780 --> 01:37:09,800
like overtime, equipment needed in response to the event, really anything in response

1123
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:13,700
to the earthquake happening, and that's very different than your traditional earthquake

1124
01:37:13,700 --> 01:37:18,880
tower, which your traditional earthquake insurance would cover your town buildings

1125
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:24,940
that are scheduled. As you can imagine, it's very expensive to cover all of your town buildings

1126
01:37:24,940 --> 01:37:30,320
for earthquake coverage. It also, in traditional coverage, comes with a very high deductible.

1127
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:33,300
It's typically 10% of the damage.

1128
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:36,200
So if you have $5 million in damage,

1129
01:37:36,620 --> 01:37:40,620
you're paying a very high deductible for coverage to trigger

1130
01:37:40,620 --> 01:37:43,360
and you are still waiting years and years.

1131
01:37:43,580 --> 01:37:46,820
It can also impact your ability to recover from FEMA.

1132
01:37:47,660 --> 01:37:51,760
So this product is a new coverage for this year

1133
01:37:52,020 --> 01:37:55,080
and it sits entirely outside your property coverage.

1134
01:37:55,400 --> 01:37:58,940
The other difference between a parametric product

1135
01:37:58,940 --> 01:38:06,520
And a traditional product is that the traditional market moves with the property market.

1136
01:38:06,940 --> 01:38:12,040
We are seeing a little bit of a softening in the property market right now, but

1137
01:38:12,040 --> 01:38:18,240
over the last six years, the property market has seen significant rate increases.

1138
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:27,880
And so this specifically, we would not expect to see any impactful changes to premiums in the upcoming years.

1139
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:35,740
We are working on a mechanism to be able to self-fund the parametric premium in the future

1140
01:38:35,740 --> 01:38:43,600
with a long-term goal of creating a comprehensive catastrophic risk response, and so that's something

1141
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:48,100
that the Bay City's Board is working on right now and a long-term goal, it's on our strategic

1142
01:38:48,100 --> 01:38:53,160
plan, and something that I am looking forward to reporting more on in the future.

1143
01:38:54,720 --> 01:39:00,200
I touched on the payout table, I'll just go to the sample event and payout.

1144
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,280
This is really what people are like, what does all this mean?

1145
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:11,280
So this is the sample payout of the San Francisco earthquake in 1906 that had a 7.9 magnitude.

1146
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:18,200
So magnitude does not determine ground intensity, so two different things.

1147
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:29,320
but the USGS has sensors all over the state and they can determine what the ground intensity

1148
01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:34,280
shaking will be or would be in your jurisdiction.

1149
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:39,860
So you can see in this event under the base payout option, San Enselma would have received

1150
01:39:39,860 --> 01:39:46,560
1.4 million and I typically show this one when I'm talking to any of our members because

1151
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:49,420
is it impacts pretty much every single agency

1152
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:52,480
within Bay City's this event.

1153
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,020
So this is a good illustration of

1154
01:39:55,440 --> 01:39:58,600
in a what I'll call a worst case scenario,

1155
01:39:59,000 --> 01:39:59,800
pretty catastrophic.

1156
01:40:00,440 --> 01:40:02,080
This is what we would expect to see.

1157
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,380
And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

1158
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:09,640
Thank you.

1159
01:40:09,940 --> 01:40:10,820
Anybody got any questions?

1160
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:12,060
Go ahead, you only have a couple of questions.

1161
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:19,560
Okay, so we're jointly and severally liable.

1162
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:20,060
Correct.

1163
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:25,280
What does that mean in practice if one of the members has a catastrophic loss and can't

1164
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:26,240
meet its obligations?

1165
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:32,960
If you've never made a supplemental assessment, what's our realistic worst case scenario

1166
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:34,680
or financial exposure?

1167
01:40:38,020 --> 01:40:45,600
So the catastrophic loss as it relates to property is very different.

1168
01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:49,300
So earthquake, that is a group purchase product that's like toy.

1169
01:40:50,100 --> 01:40:57,880
But let's say hypothetically a wildfire ripped through every Marin agency, we have a pooled

1170
01:40:57,880 --> 01:41:01,700
layer of $250,000 and that would all be considered one occurrence.

1171
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:06,480
So all the agencies impacted would pay that $250,000 and then we have purchased through our

1172
01:41:06,480 --> 01:41:09,620
excess coverage up to $1 billion per occurrence.

1173
01:41:10,660 --> 01:41:16,760
There are no exclusions to wildfire, there are no sublimits to wildfire through our current

1174
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:18,480
coverage, which is great, by the way.

1175
01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:27,620
But should an agency not be able to pay their portion of that 250, I mean I suppose we

1176
01:41:27,620 --> 01:41:32,840
would end up in litigation on the road with them, hopefully that wouldn't happen but.

1177
01:41:35,100 --> 01:41:40,040
Next question that's related, how well funded are the pools today, right?

1178
01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:46,480
So what's the current funded ratio, are there unfunded liabilities, like what does the

1179
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:48,100
actual fund look like?

1180
01:41:48,100 --> 01:41:58,700
Yeah, so we have a very conservative what we call dividend release policy and so in order to release dividends back to the members, that's money's back to the members that we collected over and above.

1181
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:08,840
We not only look at what's called IBNR incurred but not reported at the 90% confidence level.

1182
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:15,820
We fund at the 90% confidence level, we budget at the 80% confidence level in both of our pooled programs.

1183
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:25,500
We have a positive net position in both of our primary pooled programs, our liability and our workers compensation program right now.

1184
01:42:25,940 --> 01:42:30,500
We actually do have and have issued dividends from the property program.

1185
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:38,000
In the last five years, I think we released close to 1.8 million back to the members from the property program.

1186
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:46,120
We currently have funds available in both the liability and work comp program.

1187
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:52,840
The board elected to hold those for a year to continue to evaluate.

1188
01:42:53,540 --> 01:43:02,300
AB 218 was approved many few years ago, and we are still seeing claims come in from the 80s,

1189
01:43:02,300 --> 01:43:06,880
which can have a significant impact on potential equity in those program years.

1190
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:12,080
so we are watching that. But the sport is very, the basicity sport is very conservative.

1191
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:17,580
They've always taken the approach of they'd rather pay now than have to come back and pay more

1192
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:24,520
later for those older program years. So we're very well funded. Great. Three more questions, sorry.

1193
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:31,800
What categories of claims are driving losses? Yeah, great question. I should have included that slide.

1194
01:43:34,220 --> 01:43:39,700
So, trees and sidewalks are two liability drivers.

1195
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:45,720
It's always the chicken or the egg is the trees lifting the sidewalks.

1196
01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:52,380
And so, actually, for the last two years, we have spent a significant amount of time

1197
01:43:52,380 --> 01:43:57,300
and pushed a number of resources out to all of the agencies specifically around those two

1198
01:43:57,300 --> 01:44:01,280
areas, sidewalk management policies, train maintenance policies.

1199
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:06,520
And so those are the two drivers in our liability program.

1200
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:14,720
In the work comp program, you have your typical slips, trips and falls, and lifting.

1201
01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:23,800
So, ergonomic training, employee training, especially on your police, fire, public works, provide a lot of training.

1202
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:29,000
And is our workers comp SIR at $150,000 the same for all of the agencies?

1203
01:44:29,380 --> 01:44:34,700
Or are we subsidizing them by having a higher SIR for workers comp?

1204
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:39,000
So 150 is actually the lowest in the work comp program that's available.

1205
01:44:39,980 --> 01:44:41,720
So no, you're not subsidizing.

1206
01:44:41,860 --> 01:44:45,360
There are different rates available for different SIRs.

1207
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:47,480
So if you move up in SIR, your rate changes.

1208
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:49,760
We've done that analysis for the town.

1209
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,640
I think as recently as last year.

1210
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:59,860
Yeah, I was gonna say that sounds familiar and so we look at that we've done it for both the liability program and the work comp

1211
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
We have a program to determine which SIR is best for your town based on your losses and your contributions. Thank you. And last question, why $4 million? Is that arbitrary? Was it derived from an estimate of emergency response costs? Is it just, like, where did that number come from? I think that was a group effort between our, so when we originally got the proposed

1212
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:37,200
proposal, they provided a proposal for $2 million from the carrier, and that was really

1213
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:47,300
strictly based on the size of your agency because of the, so there is something called

1214
01:45:47,300 --> 01:45:50,100
an, I don't want to get to in the weeds, but there is something called an aggregate

1215
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:53,560
limit that is shared amongst all of the members.

1216
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:58,460
And so there is a potential benefit to, if you want to look at higher limits, getting those

1217
01:45:58,460 --> 01:46:03,660
higher limits earlier rather than trying to purchase them later because when you try

1218
01:46:03,660 --> 01:46:07,420
to purchase them later they might give you more limits but they may not increase the

1219
01:46:07,420 --> 01:46:11,940
aggregate. And so I think that was part of the discussion and probably the thought process

1220
01:46:11,940 --> 01:46:13,880
when the town was evaluating those limits.

1221
01:46:14,540 --> 01:46:19,540
We also, since we have looking in terms of town buildings, we have two of the three fire

1222
01:46:19,540 --> 01:46:24,060
stations for Ross Valley Fire. So if something happens, having that extra limit would just

1223
01:46:24,060 --> 01:46:26,120
help with those kinds of things.

1224
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:29,960
It just seemed like the payouts for like men low park or whatever else were up there

1225
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,460
were much higher rent limits than ours.

1226
01:46:32,980 --> 01:46:36,860
And that was probably due to the shaking intensity, not the limits purchased.

1227
01:46:39,740 --> 01:46:41,820
85 shaking intensity, whatever that means.

1228
01:46:42,660 --> 01:46:43,220
Okay, that's it for me.

1229
01:46:43,300 --> 01:46:43,540
Thank you.

1230
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:44,320
Anyone else?

1231
01:46:45,020 --> 01:46:45,220
Go ahead.

1232
01:46:45,760 --> 01:46:46,040
Go ahead.

1233
01:46:46,620 --> 01:46:48,400
How do you train your board members?

1234
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:51,580
It sounds like they're both governance and somewhat operational.

1235
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:58,940
Yeah, so anytime we have a new board member, I always like to come visit all the fabulous

1236
01:46:58,940 --> 01:47:02,700
agencies that we have in Bay City, so I spend quite a lot of time in the Bay Area.

1237
01:47:03,740 --> 01:47:09,800
But really my goal is to give board members the information, hope they stay on the board

1238
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:14,460
for at least a couple of years, because it does take a couple of cycles to get through

1239
01:47:14,460 --> 01:47:15,580
all of our processes.

1240
01:47:15,580 --> 01:47:22,060
We have multiple opportunities for training at conferences like Kajapa, the California

1241
01:47:22,060 --> 01:47:24,000
Association of Joint Powers Authority.

1242
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:29,460
That's the authority that we are accredited through, JPs are lightly governed by the

1243
01:47:29,460 --> 01:47:29,700
state.

1244
01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:36,580
And so we established Kajapa years ago, the JPA community established Kajapa years ago so

1245
01:47:36,580 --> 01:47:38,300
that is a great training opportunity.

1246
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:45,560
But really attending board meetings, participating, talking to your cohorts, you know, members

1247
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:52,340
on the board. Board members are each other's best resources because they guarantee that

1248
01:47:52,340 --> 01:47:57,520
if an agency is trying to problem solve something that there is another agency either trying

1249
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:04,780
to solve the same problem or has solved the same problem so we always encourage board networking

1250
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:09,440
and I'm always happy to come out to different agencies.

1251
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,020
Another question that, thank you, that was very helpful.

1252
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:19,500
When you're doing your risk management assessments for professional services contracts, things

1253
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:26,060
along those lines, are you looking at the language in our contracts and are you advising

1254
01:48:26,460 --> 01:48:30,220
on standards and are they consistent across member agencies?

1255
01:48:30,680 --> 01:48:34,100
Yes, so we have a contractual risk manager on our team.

1256
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,240
We're happy to review any contracts that you are entering into.

1257
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:42,220
we are the most ideal situation is that you have a template contract that we have reviewed

1258
01:48:42,220 --> 01:48:47,320
and vetted and approved and we do that for all of our members and that is definitely

1259
01:48:47,320 --> 01:48:55,900
risk transfer is the number one training that we try to provide because any time we can

1260
01:48:55,900 --> 01:48:58,780
transfer the risks to someone else that's usually better for us.

1261
01:48:59,180 --> 01:49:04,320
Are you staying across your member agencies they're using similar templates around what they

1262
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,300
transfer for things like professional services?

1263
01:49:06,740 --> 01:49:10,220
Yes, we are in communication with our membership.

1264
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:18,940
We look at not only the templates and individual contracts, but we also look at when they receive

1265
01:49:18,940 --> 01:49:24,500
those certificates from other agencies, evidencing their insurance, we'll have them send them

1266
01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:28,580
to us so we can review them and ensure that they are providing what is required within the

1267
01:49:28,580 --> 01:49:32,880
contract because seven times out of 10 they're not so yeah we're happy to do that.

1268
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:40,180
And the last question is it sounds like we're paying in and figuring out the SIRs you're

1269
01:49:40,180 --> 01:49:47,320
looking backwards at historical data and what else are you looking at to set those rates

1270
01:49:47,320 --> 01:49:48,540
and how much are we paying?

1271
01:49:49,060 --> 01:49:54,960
Yeah so that's there's a lot that goes into the budget but it is my favorite thing to talk

1272
01:49:54,960 --> 01:50:00,260
about. But so we work with BICMAR Actuarial. They conduct our actuarial studies annually.

1273
01:50:00,580 --> 01:50:05,760
So they're looking not only at our outstanding losses, but they're also projecting our losses.

1274
01:50:06,260 --> 01:50:14,300
That's based on our own loss history, our memberships SIRs, industry rates, you know what's

1275
01:50:14,300 --> 01:50:19,700
what they know is happening with jury verdicts and settlements. And so we rely heavily on our

1276
01:50:19,700 --> 01:50:49,400
actually is for our pool layer rates. We also have built within our budget what we call an experience modification factor, which allocates contributions amongst our membership to those members that have had a higher than average losses, then the base cities pool, so if they're above the average of the pool, they're going to pay a little bit more, they're going to have an XMOM that's a little bit higher for a period of,

1277
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:56,400
It depends which program but it's mostly five years and that can fluctuate but the goal

1278
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:01,100
of the X mod is so that we don't have big swings and contributions for our member agencies

1279
01:51:01,100 --> 01:51:05,360
as a public agency that's what you don't want is big swings and contributions.

1280
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:11,100
So the X mod is intended to soften that but also allocate contributions to those members

1281
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:18,060
that are having either more losses, higher frequency of losses or more severe losses.

1282
01:51:18,980 --> 01:51:20,120
What's our contribution?

1283
01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:27,260
So for all the programs that Jason mentioned this evening, 825,000 for fiscal year 2627.

1284
01:51:27,500 --> 01:51:27,700
Okay.

1285
01:51:30,340 --> 01:51:30,980
So I have a question.

1286
01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,800
You talked about trees and sidewalks as the main claims.

1287
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:39,300
Are there any that you see in the future as growing or potential problems that we should

1288
01:51:39,300 --> 01:51:39,760
be addressing?

1289
01:51:41,800 --> 01:51:43,760
Emerging on the liability side,

1290
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:53,800
so we are in the process of supporting an initiative

1291
01:51:53,800 --> 01:52:00,980
through Kajapa and a logislative effort to look at tort cops in California that is our biggest

1292
01:52:00,980 --> 01:52:13,560
vinyl I know I'm sorry you know we have seen jury verdicts over you know that are they're

1293
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:20,100
going to bankrupt our our city since school districts so when we talk about emerging risks within

1294
01:52:20,100 --> 01:52:25,620
based cities really that is a focus of ours but as far as a town and your

1295
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:32,000
exposures. Sam claims following your sexual abuse and molestation claims if

1296
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:37,920
you have wreck programs making sure that the correct policies are in place and

1297
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:45,000
are being followed and that you are appropriately transferring risk to contractors

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01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:48,260
or vendors that you're working with and your wrecked departments and things like

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01:52:48,260 --> 01:52:50,580
I thought that is definitely an area,

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01:52:50,940 --> 01:52:54,400
but trees and sidewalks have been a major driver

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01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,640
for the last several years, and continue to be.

1302
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,980
My question was about the earthquake insurance.

1303
01:53:04,980 --> 01:53:08,800
That's a relatively new kind of setup, is that correct?

1304
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:13,160
So I was wondering, we're relying on federal infrastructure

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01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,420
for those sensors, and I'm concerned.

1306
01:53:15,420 --> 01:53:21,980
I know that a lot of like weather sensors have been removed by this administration, and I know

1307
01:53:21,980 --> 01:53:28,680
San Enselmo, we can't really tell what the weather is going to be anymore, so I'm wondering

1308
01:53:28,680 --> 01:53:35,360
is there, I was concerned that there might be an instance where sensors have been removed,

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01:53:35,620 --> 01:53:42,250
but there's still a lot of damage. Is there a way to bear that in the policy that if there's

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01:53:42,250 --> 01:53:45,390
damage but it hasn't been sensed if the sensors have been removed.

1311
01:53:45,590 --> 01:53:49,470
I mean, is it contingent upon those sensors staying in place?

1312
01:53:49,950 --> 01:53:53,470
Yeah, you know, I would have to go back and research that.

1313
01:53:54,430 --> 01:53:59,410
I don't know the specifics around how often the sensors are

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01:53:59,410 --> 01:54:02,930
mean and store looked at.

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01:54:03,070 --> 01:54:05,270
So I would have to go back and get more information on that.

1316
01:54:05,530 --> 01:54:08,790
I guess my question is whether or not the policy would still

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01:54:08,790 --> 01:54:20,330
on our, you know, risk or need for many if buildings had fallen and it hadn't been sent.

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01:54:20,590 --> 01:54:26,810
The policy triggers are around the ground shaking intensity, so I would have to go back

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01:54:26,810 --> 01:54:30,130
and research about the sensors to answer your question.

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01:54:30,350 --> 01:54:30,510
Okay.

1321
01:54:30,710 --> 01:54:37,270
I don't need a report back, but I mean, I guess my recommendation would be to review that

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01:54:37,270 --> 01:54:40,290
everyone's in a while because we can't really count on the federal government to

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01:54:40,290 --> 01:54:44,570
have infrastructure in place anymore, unfortunately. We'll look into that.

1324
01:54:45,410 --> 01:54:49,230
All right, any other questions for council members? No? All right, let's open up public

1325
01:54:49,230 --> 01:54:54,350
comment. I'm sure this will be robust. Anybody in the chamber, Kathleen?

1326
01:55:22,130 --> 01:55:30,750
So my PhD is in disaster insurance, I'm a civil engineer, my PhD is in civil engineering,

1327
01:55:30,750 --> 01:55:37,330
But it is in disaster insurance and I've been wanting to ask these questions at very long time so I have a few questions

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01:55:37,330 --> 01:55:40,390
I'm just going to run through them you don't have to answer them, but just kind of the

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01:55:41,150 --> 01:55:41,630
so

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01:55:42,230 --> 01:55:46,910
We're having all hazards insurance policy for our buildings. Does that

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01:55:47,410 --> 01:55:48,310
insurance coverage

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01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:52,430
Cover replacement cost and does

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01:55:53,510 --> 01:55:59,770
Does this account for the fact that we have a flood barrier around the city buildings and sort of how is the

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01:55:59,770 --> 01:56:05,470
actuarial rates for the city buildings established. It is a replacement cost

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01:56:05,470 --> 01:56:12,210
coverage as far as flood coverage. Flood can be purchased separately on various

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01:56:12,210 --> 01:56:12,790
properties.

1337
01:56:15,130 --> 01:56:19,290
Currently the town is not purchasing flood on its properties but

1338
01:56:19,290 --> 01:56:23,470
that's something that we can always evaluate. You purchase it through FEMA. Oh,

1339
01:56:23,470 --> 01:56:26,030
Well, you purchased it through FEMA, okay.

1340
01:56:26,250 --> 01:56:33,010
Well then, the other question sort of comment comes more for this, for the city's staff.

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01:56:33,710 --> 01:56:38,690
FEMA is proposing to change their policies regarding disaster recovery payments to cities.

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01:56:39,310 --> 01:56:44,490
And in the past, FEMA would cover 100% of the disaster recovery costs during the emergency phase.

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01:56:45,170 --> 01:56:49,390
FEMA is now proposing to reduce this to 75% or even 50%.

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01:56:49,390 --> 01:56:53,190
Even if they do not reduce the disaster recovery payment percentage,

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01:56:53,430 --> 01:56:58,170
their lack of staff and changes in the program resulted in long delays in disaster recovery.

1346
01:56:58,810 --> 01:57:04,490
It would not be unthinkable that it may take one or two years before the CDC's a disaster recovery payment.

1347
01:57:05,210 --> 01:57:09,670
So I just want to kind of point that out to the city staff.

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01:57:10,410 --> 01:57:16,450
I helped negotiate a parametric insurance policy for the city of Ileton for the flood risk.

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01:57:16,450 --> 01:57:27,230
And so you might want to think about having a parametric policy that would cover the gap that FEMA is probably not going to and having it be all hazards policy might be the way to go.

1350
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:30,230
So just some comments from that. Thank you.

1351
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:31,730
That actually was robust.

1352
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:35,830
Anybody else in the chamber?

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01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:38,310
Anybody online search?

1354
01:57:39,230 --> 01:57:40,290
Mayor there are no hands raised.

1355
01:57:40,290 --> 01:57:46,190
All right, then we will bring it back up here for comment.

1356
01:57:46,870 --> 01:57:49,770
There's no actual action here associated with this.

1357
01:57:49,950 --> 01:57:51,670
We're just receiving and filing the report.

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01:57:51,810 --> 01:57:53,090
Anybody have anything to say?

1359
01:57:53,230 --> 01:57:53,630
Thank you.

1360
01:57:53,850 --> 01:57:54,270
Thank you for the detail.

1361
01:57:54,730 --> 01:57:54,810
Yeah.

1362
01:57:55,330 --> 01:57:56,130
Very helpful.

1363
01:57:56,650 --> 01:57:57,130
Thanks, Jason.

1364
01:57:57,590 --> 01:57:59,270
I'm glad you're doing this work, not me.

1365
01:58:00,330 --> 01:58:00,990
Thank you.

1366
01:58:01,370 --> 01:58:04,390
It was very informative.

1367
01:58:04,570 --> 01:58:05,630
All right, so we'll move on.

1368
01:58:05,630 --> 01:58:12,730
But before we do so, I want to ask Council for approval to flip items 2, 3, and 2, 4.

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01:58:12,830 --> 01:58:17,650
We have some members of the public here that I know were some we've lost already, that

1370
01:58:17,650 --> 01:58:23,270
I know wanted to comment on item 2, 4, so I'd love to get approval to kind of flip those

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01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:23,930
last two items.

1372
01:58:24,150 --> 01:58:24,270
Yeah.

1373
01:58:25,210 --> 01:58:26,690
Do we need a formal vote?

1374
01:58:26,890 --> 01:58:28,370
Yeah, so I'll take a motion in a second.

1375
01:58:28,550 --> 01:58:29,210
I move that.

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01:58:30,050 --> 01:58:30,450
Second.

1377
01:58:31,150 --> 01:58:31,510
All in favor?

1378
01:58:31,830 --> 01:58:32,130
Aye.

1379
01:58:32,750 --> 01:58:33,250
Okay, great.

1380
01:58:33,250 --> 01:58:40,870
So now we will take up, now we will take up aisle 24, which is receiving a presentation

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01:58:40,870 --> 01:58:45,990
and providing direction to staff on the Memorial Park Athletic Courts Improvement Projects

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01:58:45,990 --> 01:58:46,830
60% design.

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01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:48,310
I

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01:58:51,190 --> 01:58:53,810
think that is me, is my mic on, yes.

1385
01:58:55,370 --> 01:58:59,090
And Mayor, just so you know, the families that lapped are going to try and just do a minute

1386
01:58:59,090 --> 01:58:59,370
of the moment.

1387
01:59:00,750 --> 01:59:02,310
I'm sorry we couldn't get to them.

1388
01:59:02,450 --> 01:59:02,910
It's okay.

1389
01:59:03,510 --> 01:59:04,870
They held out as long as they could.

1390
01:59:04,870 --> 01:59:18,750
So good evening, Mayor and Council members. I'm here tonight to talk about Memorial Park and the Athletic Court Improvement Project. I could not be more excited to talk about it and I will try to make this brief because I know we've got one other item tonight.

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01:59:20,030 --> 01:59:28,530
So tonight we're just asking that you as the Council take a look at where we are with the conceptual design and provide direction to staff on moving forward.

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01:59:29,450 --> 01:59:35,090
So a quick project background in 2018, the town council adopted the Memorial Park Master Plan.

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01:59:35,330 --> 01:59:40,890
Quick note is in 2015 and the town went out for measure E, which was the flood control measure from Memorial Park.

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01:59:41,050 --> 01:59:45,290
And so this is actually year 11 of us doing this.

1395
01:59:45,710 --> 01:59:49,270
And between 2018, 2020, 26, we have done some improvements.

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01:59:49,410 --> 01:59:56,190
We've upgraded the grass that Memorial and Irrigation System done playground improvements, pathway improvements in field improvements.

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and I think picnic area improvement.

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02:00:05,010 --> 02:00:30,910
By our retention. Oh, I forgot about that, but it's replaced by the log cabin. There's been a lot of work. There's been a lot of work. But as you guys can see from that initial picture, the athletic courts are in still in dire need. So in 2024, the master plan amendment process considered improvements to the park southern area and gathered a ton of community input through multiple surveys. And then in 2025, as this council's aware, we went out to do

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02:00:30,910 --> 02:00:36,290
a feasibility assessment to evaluate whether we could raise $4 million through private funding

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02:00:36,290 --> 02:00:43,070
for this project. During that feasibility assessment, we identified that there are certain constraints

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02:00:43,070 --> 02:00:48,670
in that that was too big of a ask for Sandin's almost first big park project. And then as of

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02:00:48,670 --> 02:00:54,570
2026, we narrowed the effort specific to the athletic courts and entrants of study hills and we

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02:00:54,570 --> 02:00:58,810
re-engaged Intrigua planning and landscape architecture and I want to let you know Mike Cook is here

1404
02:00:58,810 --> 02:01:02,810
tonight, and he has been with us through the last few years for this project.

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02:01:04,810 --> 02:01:09,350
So just to give everybody an idea, like conceptually, what was approved back in 2024, you can

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02:01:09,350 --> 02:01:13,050
see the skate park has been relocated, all of the courts are in different places.

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02:01:13,750 --> 02:01:21,190
There is a restroom, concessions, storage, additional seating, and so this was the conceptual

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02:01:21,190 --> 02:01:25,670
design that was put together with community feedback back in 2024 and approved by Council.

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02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:29,710
Here's just a side-by-side comparison.

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02:01:30,410 --> 02:01:35,870
In 2024, we had a multi-sport court for Futsal and Basketball, two tennis courts, two

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02:01:35,870 --> 02:01:40,190
pickable courts, updated skate park, new restrooms, concessions, seating-shade plantings.

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02:01:40,630 --> 02:01:45,190
We have scaled that all back to try and do this within our means, so the scope only includes

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02:01:45,190 --> 02:01:47,650
the athletic courts and frontage entrance improvements.

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02:01:48,310 --> 02:01:53,930
This new design does include a dedicated synthetic turf Futsal court, two tennis courts, and

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02:01:53,930 --> 02:01:57,570
And then we actually went from two designated pickle ball courts to three in this design,

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02:01:57,950 --> 02:02:01,270
and the existing half court basket ball court remains with three hoops.

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02:02:04,010 --> 02:02:06,950
So this is the beautiful picture of the updated design.

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02:02:07,550 --> 02:02:12,350
We were hoping also to include kind of a promenade along the pathway from Sunny Hills

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02:02:12,350 --> 02:02:16,790
to the end of the tennis courts, but because of the cost of the project we had to scale it back a little bit.

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02:02:17,330 --> 02:02:21,650
So you'll see the two tennis courts on the right, the turf foot saw court top left,

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02:02:21,650 --> 02:02:29,230
The three pickleball courts and then you'll see some frontage area beautification and accessibility improvements on the left.

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02:02:31,610 --> 02:02:41,890
Here's kind of a basic sketch to give you guys a visual and what is most exciting about this is the pathway that then connects to the veterans' place pathway over to the log cabin.

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02:02:42,230 --> 02:02:48,330
There is no sidewalk as it currently exists and there's a lot of elevation change over here.

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02:02:48,330 --> 02:02:54,190
And so you'll see some concrete bleachers there that are actually serving as a retaining wall and concrete bleachers.

1425
02:02:57,230 --> 02:02:58,910
Okay, this is the big question.

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02:02:59,170 --> 02:03:02,110
So why switch to a dedicated to her footcell court?

1427
02:03:02,670 --> 02:03:09,250
So for those of you who are following, we had a ton of strong community interest generated by the World Cup Street Soccer Program.

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02:03:09,810 --> 02:03:11,010
Gabe Turner was here tonight.

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02:03:11,630 --> 02:03:13,370
This was a huge effort.

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02:03:13,370 --> 02:03:18,230
Him, Fabian Lopez, Fiona Oslovin, who's here tonight, Nate Marsh,

1431
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:22,790
Javier Fernandez, put together this amazing group of individuals,

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02:03:23,030 --> 02:03:26,730
fundraised money, and made this World Cup program happen.

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02:03:27,910 --> 02:03:31,390
Additionally, the sound impact, I don't know if you guys are familiar with the courts,

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02:03:31,550 --> 02:03:35,670
but they're right next to residential units, and so the turf actually does help with that.

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02:03:36,610 --> 02:03:41,690
Something I found out during this process was the multi-sport court tiles,

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02:03:41,690 --> 02:03:44,190
when wet actually become very slippery,

1437
02:03:44,190 --> 02:03:46,730
and so they're not great all year round outdoors.

1438
02:03:48,070 --> 02:03:49,630
And then what I'm really excited about

1439
02:03:50,170 --> 02:03:52,170
is having a flexible year round space

1440
02:03:52,170 --> 02:03:54,230
for rec programming in the community to use.

1441
02:03:54,470 --> 02:03:56,570
As you guys know, we closed Memorial Park in the winter

1442
02:03:56,570 --> 02:03:57,570
to let the field rest,

1443
02:03:58,490 --> 02:04:00,230
and this will give us an opportunity

1444
02:04:00,230 --> 02:04:04,250
to expand programming on top of the fact that,

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02:04:04,530 --> 02:04:07,730
from my research, I could only find two foot sole courts

1446
02:04:07,730 --> 02:04:08,430
for Rent and Marin.

1447
02:04:08,670 --> 02:04:10,110
One was 215 an hour,

1448
02:04:10,110 --> 02:04:16,710
and the other was 125 an hour, so this is kind of new age to have a city, have a turf

1449
02:04:16,710 --> 02:04:18,490
foot cell core available for the community.

1450
02:04:20,270 --> 02:04:25,710
I staff would recommend that we prioritize rec programming and community use versus

1451
02:04:25,710 --> 02:04:32,150
commercial renting rates, and part of the reason why this makes sense is because we will keep

1452
02:04:32,150 --> 02:04:32,910
the three hoops.

1453
02:04:33,050 --> 02:04:37,170
In the original design from 2024, those are removed for full core, but since they're going

1454
02:04:37,170 --> 02:04:39,790
a stay, it allows us to become a more flexible space.

1455
02:04:42,310 --> 02:04:42,870
Why now?

1456
02:04:43,570 --> 02:04:45,330
This is a huge community asset.

1457
02:04:45,630 --> 02:04:51,470
This is our central and largest park, and this is something that we field calls for almost

1458
02:04:51,470 --> 02:04:52,770
daily at the REC department.

1459
02:04:52,930 --> 02:04:54,570
I know our public works, here's about it.

1460
02:04:55,170 --> 02:05:01,110
This is a huge area that is connected right to a shopping center, and I think it's time

1461
02:05:01,110 --> 02:05:05,290
it gets a little bit of love, which includes accessibility and one of the things we heard loud

1462
02:05:05,290 --> 02:05:08,950
out and clear from the feasibility study was activation, activate the park.

1463
02:05:10,130 --> 02:05:17,150
We do activate it a lot with sports programming, but this allows it to be activated in a year roundaway for lots of years.

1464
02:05:18,910 --> 02:05:28,190
So proof of concept, this is a picture of Gabe and Fabianne as well as the tournament and World Cup watch party for the first USA game.

1465
02:05:28,970 --> 02:05:35,090
I could not be more pleased to share with you guys that gave me this a reality.

1466
02:05:35,490 --> 02:05:40,670
Not everybody can take a dream or talk a big talk and then produce something like this.

1467
02:05:41,070 --> 02:05:45,310
So, all credit goes to him and the team, but I just want to go over some quick stats.

1468
02:05:45,810 --> 02:05:50,390
So, there were over 30 visitors every day between all five weeks.

1469
02:05:51,430 --> 02:05:55,630
We had over 220 people at the World Cup Watch party.

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02:05:55,630 --> 02:06:01,490
150 participated in the culminating tournament with six teams with three divisions, youth, middle-age, adult.

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02:06:02,590 --> 02:06:09,810
300 people on the resident list, we had 18 volunteer court monitors and over $20,000 in donations.

1472
02:06:10,350 --> 02:06:17,130
So this was all done because of Gabe Fionna Fabian had this vision and they made it a reality on top of the number of sponsors.

1473
02:06:17,130 --> 02:06:21,290
They were able to secure and this is just for a one month program, they raised $20,000.

1474
02:06:22,950 --> 02:06:26,890
In addition to the proof of concept, our soccer program is growing.

1475
02:06:26,890 --> 02:06:30,690
I'm happy to report we're 25% higher than we were two years ago.

1476
02:06:31,370 --> 02:06:36,050
So two years ago, we had about 589 kids, we're about 786 right now.

1477
02:06:36,470 --> 02:06:38,790
So, we're writing that World Cup momentum.

1478
02:06:40,230 --> 02:06:42,070
So this is an interesting part.

1479
02:06:42,250 --> 02:06:44,330
This is how we're proposing to structure the bid.

1480
02:06:45,650 --> 02:06:48,210
We're proposing to structure the base bid and

1481
02:06:48,210 --> 02:06:50,530
focus just on the athletic court improvements.

1482
02:06:50,530 --> 02:06:57,210
It prioritizes them as the top need and makes the project financially manageable.

1483
02:06:57,690 --> 02:07:04,250
That said, improving the courts, we also need to think about some accessibility around that frontage area and beautification.

1484
02:07:05,230 --> 02:07:14,170
So because of the bidding process, this type of structure allows us to manage the risk of budget while preserving the opportunity to advance both pieces of the project.

1485
02:07:16,310 --> 02:07:22,270
Just for a visual, the green is what we're considering the base bid for the project, and

1486
02:07:22,270 --> 02:07:27,270
the purple is what we're considering the ad alternate should additional funding come

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02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:27,530
about.

1488
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:30,000
Okay.

1489
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:31,440
So this is the interesting piece.

1490
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:37,280
So as I've asked you one question about the ad alternate, is that the accessibility and

1491
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:38,940
sort of the beautification?

1492
02:07:39,400 --> 02:07:39,580
Yes.

1493
02:07:40,260 --> 02:07:40,460
Correct.

1494
02:07:42,620 --> 02:07:50,060
So we have $871,000 in current actual town funding plus a $15,000 one-time donation received

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02:07:50,060 --> 02:07:50,780
in December.

1496
02:07:51,580 --> 02:07:55,160
As you can see, this project is upwards of 1.7 million.

1497
02:07:55,520 --> 02:07:59,440
So we're looking at a funding gap of about 837,000.

1498
02:07:59,960 --> 02:08:06,180
That to me is accomplishable, if that's a word, versus a 4 million ask.

1499
02:08:06,180 --> 02:08:16,160
So I feel like kind of downsizing what we need to do to close the gap could actually be a reality and I think I will talk about that in the next slide.

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So here are some creative options to assist with funding. One of the things we heard loud and clear once again from the feasibility study is we need to focus on a smaller project or quick wins.

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That's what the consultant said.

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02:08:27,660 --> 02:08:36,360
And so, you know, using this project and fundraising through San Enselmo Parks, I know Gabe is very committed to this fundraising, especially for the turf footsaw court.

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Could be a big asset.

1504
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:43,360
And then another option is scaling back some of the design elements.

1505
02:08:43,620 --> 02:08:47,860
You know, we're talking about adding electrical upgrading the panel, the light heads, all of that.

1506
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:51,920
We can kind of downgrade the scope and take some things out.

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02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:59,100
Another thing we talked about is or that's in the cost estimate is all the chain link fabric replacing all of that we can take that out

1508
02:08:59,100 --> 02:09:04,200
So there's a lot to play with here, and then another option is considering rec department reserves

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02:09:04,900 --> 02:09:11,080
As council knows we committed a hundred thousand dollars via the rec department reserves to the painting of Isabel Cook

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02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:14,060
Which if you haven't seen it lately drive by it. It looks amazing

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02:09:15,780 --> 02:09:20,580
And we are committed to making this happen. So that is a possibility as well

1512
02:09:22,280 --> 02:09:26,820
So just wanted to give you guys a quick update from the Park and Rec Commission, which was just last week.

1513
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:37,480
It was all positive feedback, a ton of support for Futsal, positive feedback for designated tennis courts, designated pickleball courts versus them being combined.

1514
02:09:38,640 --> 02:09:46,960
People were so happy with the summer program, they really liked that possibility to expand rec opportunities for everyone.

1515
02:09:48,500 --> 02:10:07,340
And a lot of what I actually heard a lot through public comment or people emailing in about footsol was the unstructured play that kids were showing up and they were playing games and talking to each other and meeting each other and, you know, very rarely do you see a community where pickup games happen anymore and that was created through the footsol program.

1516
02:10:10,840 --> 02:10:18,000
One person at the parking right commission talked about a safer crossing connection between Red Hill shopping center and the Sunny Hills entrance to the park.

1517
02:10:19,080 --> 02:10:29,420
I'm happy to report Gabe Turner, said he's happy to pursue fundraising on behalf of this project for us, and once again the designated Pickleball versus Tennis Courts is very important to those in attendance.

1518
02:10:31,220 --> 02:10:40,980
So the Parking Rep Commission talked about the, they had multiple questions, most was in regards to the turf, and I committed that we will not be using infill rubber.

1519
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:46,280
There's a lot of information and research we still have to do, but there are a lot of

1520
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:47,460
organic options now.

1521
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:52,480
And because of the size of the pitch or the foot sole court, there's a possibility we

1522
02:10:52,480 --> 02:10:57,580
may not even need to use infill because they have compaction pads that are so solid now.

1523
02:10:57,860 --> 02:10:59,360
So that is an option.

1524
02:10:59,660 --> 02:11:04,560
And then one of their other questions was making sure we have a discussion and a lot of thought

1525
02:11:04,560 --> 02:11:07,600
around generating some revenue off of the courts.

1526
02:11:07,600 --> 02:11:12,540
Turf has to be replaced every 10 years, the compaction pads have to be replaced every 20.

1527
02:11:12,940 --> 02:11:17,920
So not to mention we don't want the tennis courts looking like they look like now, again.

1528
02:11:21,100 --> 02:11:28,700
The Park and Wreck Commission outside of those two comments decided to move forward as it's presently, as you guys have seen tonight.

1529
02:11:29,460 --> 02:11:36,660
To identify turf material, drainage, safety, environmental maintenance considerations, make sure that's built into the plan.

1530
02:11:36,660 --> 02:11:40,160
and then figure out fundraising and operational strategies

1531
02:11:40,160 --> 02:11:42,120
for next project phases.

1532
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:46,600
So I just want to say thank you real quick to Fiona

1533
02:11:46,600 --> 02:11:50,480
who's here tonight, she is our soccer club director.

1534
02:11:51,080 --> 02:11:52,140
So thank you for all your support.

1535
02:11:52,740 --> 02:11:56,000
Thank you to Mike Cook, our landscape

1536
02:11:56,740 --> 02:11:58,140
and planning and architecture.

1537
02:11:59,080 --> 02:12:01,240
And we honestly couldn't have done this without public works

1538
02:12:01,240 --> 02:12:03,880
not to mention all of the community support that's come out.

1539
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:05,200
We didn't have one negative comment

1540
02:12:05,200 --> 02:12:06,380
which I feel like never happens.

1541
02:12:07,060 --> 02:12:09,180
Our Parking Met Commission has been super supportive,

1542
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:11,460
and then thank you to you guys at Town Council

1543
02:12:11,460 --> 02:12:12,800
for kind of being patient with this,

1544
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,820
and especially to Council Member Burke and Mayor Burdo

1545
02:12:15,820 --> 02:12:17,620
for kind of seeing this through,

1546
02:12:17,720 --> 02:12:19,320
because you guys have been part of this since day one,

1547
02:12:19,320 --> 02:12:20,520
since before I was part of it.

1548
02:12:22,140 --> 02:12:25,340
And then I know this is kind of crazy,

1549
02:12:25,500 --> 02:12:27,700
because we're talking about Creek Park at the same time,

1550
02:12:28,100 --> 02:12:32,960
but my hope is to complete 100% design by the end of this year

1551
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:39,940
So we can go out to bid next year and hit the pavement in summer of 2027, which I know is ideal

1552
02:12:39,940 --> 02:12:44,940
But I'm also realistic that it may not happen. So I'm happy to answer any questions

1553
02:12:44,940 --> 02:12:49,540
So thank you, Maddie and and thank you to

1554
02:12:49,540 --> 02:12:52,640
Fiona gay Bobby on and Mike

1555
02:12:54,100 --> 02:12:59,920
Certainly councilmember Burke and I you know got a little sneak preview of this so I don't have many questions

1556
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:06,080
but I do have two, which is, you know, on the slide where you have our construction estimates, right?

1557
02:13:06,160 --> 02:13:12,780
Those are the estimates. I understand there's a gap, but like Memorial Park isn't there a

1558
02:13:12,780 --> 02:13:19,880
possibility that we could get an underbid? Correct. And those also contain 20% contingencies,

1559
02:13:19,880 --> 02:13:25,120
which as we get farther along and kind of narrow down on certain things, that will get lower as well.

1560
02:13:25,120 --> 02:13:31,260
And, and with that, I mean, I'm really glad to hear that, you know, gave the team have

1561
02:13:31,260 --> 02:13:37,140
expressed an interest in fundraising, any, is there any sense because this is, if we

1562
02:13:37,140 --> 02:13:42,340
want it, because my, I'm yes to all, right, and looking at this, if we were going to go

1563
02:13:42,340 --> 02:13:48,740
with those construction estimates, there would be a significant gap as you articulated.

1564
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:55,080
What do we think we can, real, having just come off the feasibility study, what do we

1565
02:13:55,080 --> 02:13:57,460
We think we could realistically fundraise.

1566
02:13:57,600 --> 02:13:58,740
That's a great question.

1567
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:03,720
So as part of the 21 interviews, I went back and looked through some of the communications we had with the consultants.

1568
02:14:04,420 --> 02:14:08,700
And I think there was like a $250,000 pledge to fundraise.

1569
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:13,520
On top of that, there was another about $100,000 for the project.

1570
02:14:13,520 --> 02:14:14,980
And that was for the larger scope.

1571
02:14:15,460 --> 02:14:18,880
So then we're talking about $350, right?

1572
02:14:19,340 --> 02:14:19,740
Hypothetically.

1573
02:14:19,980 --> 02:14:21,300
But for a smaller scope.

1574
02:14:21,560 --> 02:14:22,720
For a smaller scope.

1575
02:14:22,720 --> 02:14:24,260
50 and reduce it. Correct.

1576
02:14:27,180 --> 02:14:38,260
But we're still hypothetical. So 350. Yes, so 350. I feel, you

1577
02:14:38,260 --> 02:14:41,700
never know every year is different, but I do feel fairly confident in our rec team and how

1578
02:14:41,700 --> 02:14:45,320
creative we've been and how financially stable we've been that we would be able to commit

1579
02:14:45,320 --> 02:14:49,600
to this. I don't see another large pro, I mean the Isabelle Cook painting was a big one

1580
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:53,680
and this is the other big one. I do not foresee any other large projects kind of falling

1581
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:58,880
on the wrecked shoulders. So going into our reserves could possibly help. I don't know

1582
02:14:58,880 --> 02:14:59,980
right now I can't tell you.

1583
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,980
That's 100,000 or 200,000, but that gets up to 550. And then we're pretty close. And hoping for that underbid. Exactly. All right. I have questions about the budget because, you know, if we wanted to, so we're going to have fun raising. So usually when you do a capital campaign, you have to like tack on 10 to 20% more one for the fundraiser or for the name wall or the materials where the donors names go or the sponsor.

1584
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:43,420
And you could, you know, have the sponsor flags every year and that would cover maintenance, but, you know, a nice donor wall can be very spendy, so I just want to make sure you guys are including that in the cost.

1585
02:15:43,900 --> 02:15:44,740
Yeah, totally.

1586
02:15:45,100 --> 02:15:56,660
It's something that has been thought of, and then on top of that we've identified two people that have capital campaign fundraising experience that we're part of our task force for this for the feasibility study.

1587
02:15:56,660 --> 02:16:01,140
that we're hoping to meet with soon and kind of kick off this idea of friends of San

1588
02:16:01,140 --> 02:16:04,780
Ensemble Park Sport and formalize more of a plan specific to Memorial Park.

1589
02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:07,120
But yes, those are very expensive.

1590
02:16:10,900 --> 02:16:18,820
So I love the design, I love the concepts I think having these fields look the way they

1591
02:16:18,820 --> 02:16:20,580
are rendered would be amazing.

1592
02:16:21,020 --> 02:16:23,020
But this is a money question at this point.

1593
02:16:23,240 --> 02:16:27,320
This is not a vision question because it's clear that the vision is there, it's clear that

1594
02:16:27,320 --> 02:16:29,400
of the community support is there, the letters,

1595
02:16:29,600 --> 02:16:31,100
all that sort of thing, but the money's not there.

1596
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:31,660
Correct.

1597
02:16:32,080 --> 02:16:33,960
And that's a problem for me right now

1598
02:16:33,960 --> 02:16:35,160
in thinking this through, right?

1599
02:16:35,340 --> 02:16:38,540
Because you sort of have like, I'm very impressed

1600
02:16:38,540 --> 02:16:40,820
with the work that Gabe did in fundraising this summer.

1601
02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:42,620
It was unbelievable, but there's a big difference

1602
02:16:42,620 --> 02:16:45,120
between raising $20,000 and raising $200,000.

1603
02:16:45,520 --> 02:16:45,780
Totally.

1604
02:16:45,960 --> 02:16:48,620
And what you're kind of asking us is to like,

1605
02:16:50,120 --> 02:16:52,540
approve in a way, notionally, give direction

1606
02:16:52,540 --> 02:16:56,140
to move forward in this with a big, unfunded gap.

1607
02:16:56,140 --> 02:17:07,480
and a decision associated effectively to prioritize this for measure J funds over other capital projects that might otherwise receive capital measure J funds.

1608
02:17:07,920 --> 02:17:19,880
So it's like a pretty big ask when it comes down to it to fund what is likely to be a million dollars and that's only for the basement.

1609
02:17:24,500 --> 02:17:34,620
So I guess I'm going to push you to not be so squishy on this because I don't think we can be squishy on well maybe we can raise around 50 and maybe we'd get $100,000.

1610
02:17:34,960 --> 02:17:48,420
I think if we're going to go forward with this we have to have an actual financial plan for doing it and potentially make the planning contingent on fundraising which is once we have raised $X

1611
02:17:48,420 --> 02:17:53,540
dollars, then the following things happen, but to give direction for a hundred percent

1612
02:17:53,540 --> 02:17:57,440
design, et cetera, et cetera, at this point, like, I want to know where the money is going

1613
02:17:57,440 --> 02:17:57,900
to come from.

1614
02:17:58,080 --> 02:18:06,900
So are there ways that we can get to a crisper budget for the funds, and like, can you envision

1615
02:18:06,900 --> 02:18:08,600
a way that we could get there?

1616
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:17,440
And maybe I'm the only one who has this to come for it, before, right, the advancing to

1617
02:18:18,080 --> 02:18:23,840
I think it's tough just because, you know, we won't know a lot of this until we get the bids.

1618
02:18:23,960 --> 02:18:27,840
Like, for the memorial park field, we were figuring that was going to cost around a million dollars.

1619
02:18:28,060 --> 02:18:34,660
It came in at, like, $687, but we know that it's going to take more than just measures.

1620
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:39,960
Right. We know it's going to take more than, but to your point, we're going to know more what that gap is

1621
02:18:39,960 --> 02:18:44,580
once we get the bid. And I think there is an opportunity to move forward with the vision that's here tonight.

1622
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:48,180
and then reassess. It does seem like discussion.

1623
02:18:48,780 --> 02:18:54,260
My question was, is there really is there a way that we could get to more clarity on

1624
02:18:54,260 --> 02:19:01,200
the sources of funds? Can you envision a plan that would get to more clarity, both on

1625
02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:07,700
the fundraising side, but on what from the reserves might be available, what you'd be proposing

1626
02:19:07,700 --> 02:19:11,320
to the council in terms of allocation from our own general fund reserves?

1627
02:19:11,320 --> 02:19:16,080
If we failed, is there a path to doing that?

1628
02:19:16,300 --> 02:19:35,580
Totally, I think there is, I think that town staff has to meet, I got to meet with Jeff and Dave, and we got to figure out what type of priority this is and come back with that information for both rec reserves, possible general fund reserve, but I'm trying to keep that out of the conversation right now, but this is just 60%.

1629
02:19:35,580 --> 02:19:40,200
And this is to get your guys' buy-in on the conceptual design so we can kind of move the ball forward.

1630
02:19:40,580 --> 02:19:42,300
This timeline doesn't have to be this timeline.

1631
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:49,300
But then again, devil's advocate is every year the construction costs are rising, seven, eight, nine, ten percent.

1632
02:19:49,900 --> 02:19:53,480
So the longer we wait, the hypothetically the more it could cost.

1633
02:19:53,780 --> 02:19:57,280
And the whole reason why we structured it like this is, no matter what,

1634
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:01,700
I think that athletic courts are doable, they are doable.

1635
02:20:01,700 --> 02:20:06,100
at a million with a 20% contingency right now, they're totally doable and that's with all the

1636
02:20:06,100 --> 02:20:12,200
bells and whistles. You know, all of the little convenience outlets and the electrical panel

1637
02:20:12,200 --> 02:20:19,000
upgraded and this and that and you know, what was it? 12 inches of base rock instead of nine.

1638
02:20:19,740 --> 02:20:23,560
Like it's the drainage is one of the most important pieces of this so it's all the bells and whistles

1639
02:20:23,560 --> 02:20:30,060
so we can start to scale back a little bit. We can narrow in more on a more accurate cost estimate.

1640
02:20:30,060 --> 02:20:37,740
And I do feel like this is very conservative, but I think the question is going to fall on town staff to figure out what type of priority this is and what is actually available.

1641
02:20:38,220 --> 02:20:43,920
This is all kind of hypothetical at this point. Give it right. Like, hence your squishy comment. I totally get that.

1642
02:20:44,300 --> 02:20:51,080
But I feel like in order to move the ball forward, we have to have your buy-in in direction on the conceptual design and structure.

1643
02:20:51,660 --> 02:20:53,940
And then we can hopefully kick off fundraising.

1644
02:20:54,880 --> 02:20:59,120
But once again, it all comes back to how much actual money the town can put into it.

1645
02:20:59,120 --> 02:21:08,080
So related question for Dave and Jeff, do we have a prioritized list of projects for

1646
02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:16,400
measure J funds and the associated dollar amounts with those projects because this

1647
02:21:16,400 --> 02:21:22,260
does effectively ask us to prioritize this over any of their projects that might receive

1648
02:21:22,260 --> 02:21:23,180
measure J funds?

1649
02:21:23,180 --> 02:21:28,020
So do we have a prioritized list for where those funds could go?

1650
02:21:28,020 --> 02:21:36,180
Yes, so back in 2024 the town council approved a five-year CIP 24 through 29 I believe it was

1651
02:21:36,180 --> 02:21:39,200
With those projects listed out for measure J

1652
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:45,500
They have changed over time even from 24 till now because the fire station for example costs more than we expected

1653
02:21:46,180 --> 02:21:50,820
At the September 22nd, so we've gone to

1654
02:21:50,820 --> 02:21:54,000
Infrastructure and fiscal monitoring committee. We've gone to planning commission

1655
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:59,620
Scott and myself have put together a rolling five-year CIP based on discussions with the

1656
02:21:59,620 --> 02:22:00,780
infrastructure and fiscal monitoring.

1657
02:22:01,500 --> 02:22:06,480
Scott is out in vacation right now, but that will be coming to you on September 22nd or

1658
02:22:06,480 --> 02:22:12,340
the second meeting in September, which I know everything on there for fiscal year 2627

1659
02:22:12,340 --> 02:22:16,400
was approved in the budget, but it's the four years thereafter that you haven't seen yet.

1660
02:22:17,340 --> 02:22:22,260
So it's essentially the measure J. Yes, it was approved in 24, that's CIP.

1661
02:22:22,260 --> 02:22:25,900
So there is a list of projects, but it's ever changing in fluids.

1662
02:22:26,200 --> 02:22:37,920
So if Council will see something on that list, that's before you and us, the 22nd, that you would like to shift in place put in this project, it's totally doable.

1663
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:40,980
And I just wanted to touch based on the last comments.

1664
02:22:41,340 --> 02:22:48,000
I think what's most important for the financing is getting to that final design cost in the fall and winter to see what our true gap is.

1665
02:22:48,000 --> 02:22:51,340
and then from there we can determine where the needs

1666
02:22:51,340 --> 02:22:53,520
will come from from which funds and which departments.

1667
02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:57,320
And what would it cost us to get to that?

1668
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:00,280
To get to it, this is the work.

1669
02:23:01,160 --> 02:23:05,100
To get to the 90% design, so we can get a cost estimate.

1670
02:23:05,540 --> 02:23:05,720
Yeah.

1671
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:11,480
You know, the design contract is $100,000.

1672
02:23:12,260 --> 02:23:14,780
And there's been one change order 5,000 so far.

1673
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:16,840
So it's about 105 total.

1674
02:23:16,840 --> 02:23:23,500
from the starting of this early in, what was that, when did I reach out to you?

1675
02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:28,560
I can't even remember May or earlier, maybe even February actually.

1676
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:31,480
I'm thinking all the way through the end of the year till 100 percent.

1677
02:23:32,180 --> 02:23:33,240
Okay, thank you.

1678
02:23:33,880 --> 02:23:34,780
Any other questions?

1679
02:23:35,900 --> 02:23:37,520
Just a couple.

1680
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:41,820
So it sounds like, and that's why I was asking you on that slide, we have most of the money

1681
02:23:41,820 --> 02:23:43,060
in hand for the courts.

1682
02:23:43,500 --> 02:23:43,820
Correct.

1683
02:23:43,820 --> 02:23:49,360
And as we look at the courts and without any controversy around this,

1684
02:23:49,740 --> 02:23:53,740
if at some point I noticed their parallel, the foot cell court,

1685
02:23:54,280 --> 02:23:55,620
very supportive of that.

1686
02:23:55,740 --> 02:23:58,700
My kids played soccer here, soccer the whole time.

1687
02:23:58,940 --> 02:24:02,000
My daughter played under, I mean, so very supportive.

1688
02:24:02,200 --> 02:24:06,080
If over time we need to reuse the courts,

1689
02:24:06,080 --> 02:24:07,780
are they all the same surfaces?

1690
02:24:08,340 --> 02:24:10,980
Because what if pickle ball is on an up swing?

1691
02:24:11,160 --> 02:24:12,420
What about if it goes on a down swing?

1692
02:24:12,420 --> 02:24:19,440
It's right next to foot saw are they all the same surfaces and do we have you know with repainting

1693
02:24:19,440 --> 02:24:23,760
Some flexibility and changing those courts if needed

1694
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:30,800
So the pickleball and the tennis courts are asphalt like tons of base rock underneath and then asphalt on top

1695
02:24:30,800 --> 02:24:37,160
Um, we're proposing that the post speed permanent on pickleball and tennis not movable

1696
02:24:37,160 --> 02:24:39,360
So they say designated for that purpose

1697
02:24:39,360 --> 02:24:43,000
The foot salt court, however, is being proposed as synthetic turf.

1698
02:24:43,460 --> 02:24:46,880
So that is the different material and different surface.

1699
02:24:47,500 --> 02:24:52,920
Yeah, resurface like, if, let's say we expand it into the pickle ball courts.

1700
02:24:53,460 --> 02:24:54,760
Yeah, two foot salt courts.

1701
02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:55,520
Yeah, okay.

1702
02:24:56,420 --> 02:24:57,580
That was the controversial part.

1703
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:57,880
But yeah.

1704
02:24:58,060 --> 02:25:01,880
So the good part of this design is because we know how important drainage is.

1705
02:25:03,720 --> 02:25:08,840
The concept is that the drainage would be done so well that it could hypothetically be converted.

1706
02:25:08,840 --> 02:25:11,760
And it's supposed to be hopefully standing the test of time.

1707
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:15,340
I really like that we can at least get a footprint on good athletic courts.

1708
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:22,420
How will we know, besides usage, what residents want and what the waves are?

1709
02:25:22,920 --> 02:25:27,460
How do you keep that information, say, five years from now current in case we need changes?

1710
02:25:27,660 --> 02:25:28,980
That's a great question.

1711
02:25:30,420 --> 02:25:36,240
I think that if we still had plaster AI, it would be very easy to do a geofence and see what

1712
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:41,540
the activity is, but our contract has ended with the county or they have ended their contract.

1713
02:25:41,800 --> 02:25:47,420
So that tends to be more narrative based, what we see walking around the park.

1714
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:50,200
We have to figure out what the access is going to be like.

1715
02:25:50,300 --> 02:25:53,600
If it's reservation, if it's keys, all of these certain things.

1716
02:25:53,780 --> 02:25:56,360
And so there probably will be a way to track it.

1717
02:25:57,020 --> 02:26:01,480
And in recreation, what we do is we track program registration, right?

1718
02:26:01,560 --> 02:26:04,600
So we have a database and a system for registration that we can track everything.

1719
02:26:04,600 --> 02:26:07,860
And then if we have a reservation system, that's also a way to track.

1720
02:26:08,120 --> 02:26:10,400
So between those two, we should be able to.

1721
02:26:10,780 --> 02:26:18,080
The one thing I would ask then is think about how we can have proactive access to the

1722
02:26:18,080 --> 02:26:23,540
brain's information, wants and desires of those who don't come to us, because all the reservations

1723
02:26:23,540 --> 02:26:27,420
and the people who are going to come, they're coming.

1724
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:31,380
But there's a whole circle of folks around them that may not be coming.

1725
02:26:31,860 --> 02:26:33,140
How do we engage them?

1726
02:26:33,140 --> 02:26:37,880
And so not for tomorrow, but maybe a year from now, at least we'd have a plan.

1727
02:26:38,320 --> 02:26:43,240
It was in love with Heidi's report about community development over time, it'd be great to see.

1728
02:26:43,820 --> 02:26:48,480
Here's how we're accessing engaging community members that don't come to us.

1729
02:26:48,480 --> 02:26:53,560
We're proactively finding them in the school clubs or the whatever.

1730
02:26:53,960 --> 02:26:54,520
Sure, I think.

1731
02:26:54,520 --> 02:26:55,180
The grocery store.

1732
02:26:55,540 --> 02:26:59,580
I do think that's a big conversation on how we want to go about the use of space.

1733
02:26:59,740 --> 02:27:01,580
Is it just open for the community?

1734
02:27:01,580 --> 02:27:05,540
is it just available, free for residents, do we charge non-residents?

1735
02:27:05,780 --> 02:27:09,360
You know what type of act like saying, it's more for residents now,

1736
02:27:09,560 --> 02:27:15,240
because I love that broader conversation, but for residents who are potential rec users,

1737
02:27:15,480 --> 02:27:17,420
how do we proactively reach them?

1738
02:27:17,540 --> 02:27:19,060
Let's track what people are doing.

1739
02:27:19,580 --> 02:27:24,180
I think the broader conversation, who's our audience, really important, townwide,

1740
02:27:24,760 --> 02:27:31,180
but for the purposes of this conversation, how do we proactively reach San and

1741
02:27:31,180 --> 02:27:35,000
and so more residents who aren't currently coming to us.

1742
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,100
Like specific to the courts?

1743
02:27:37,820 --> 02:27:40,480
To usage of the courts, to ongoing information

1744
02:27:40,480 --> 02:27:41,860
about priority and importance.

1745
02:27:41,960 --> 02:27:42,920
Okay, okay.

1746
02:27:44,430 --> 02:27:45,220
Any other questions?

1747
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:48,220
All right, let's open a public comment.

1748
02:27:48,480 --> 02:27:49,660
We'll start with the chamber.

1749
02:27:50,620 --> 02:27:51,920
Fiona, you wanna come on up?

1750
02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:52,760
Yeah.

1751
02:27:53,000 --> 02:27:53,280
Welcome.

1752
02:27:54,240 --> 02:27:58,020
Thank you all for hearing these comments

1753
02:27:58,020 --> 02:28:00,520
and for listening to our ideas and programs.

1754
02:28:00,520 --> 02:28:07,580
I just wanted to say that I thought that this summer was a really great testament to many things that I feel

1755
02:28:08,380 --> 02:28:16,480
Our community needs one thing that really stood out to me about these courts was that it attracted people from

1756
02:28:17,020 --> 02:28:23,500
Many different socio economic areas, which was so great and that is one of the greatest things about sports

1757
02:28:23,500 --> 02:28:24,540
It's the ultimate

1758
02:28:24,540 --> 02:28:27,840
that connector of people doesn't matter what you look like,

1759
02:28:28,060 --> 02:28:30,360
how much money you make, you can all play the game together.

1760
02:28:30,780 --> 02:28:33,300
And that was so evident on our watch parties

1761
02:28:33,300 --> 02:28:34,760
and our free play.

1762
02:28:35,460 --> 02:28:38,060
We had people that were living in the apartments

1763
02:28:38,420 --> 02:28:39,860
that are right next to the courts

1764
02:28:39,860 --> 02:28:42,540
and there was kids that had never even been on the court.

1765
02:28:42,540 --> 02:28:43,420
That was right in their backyard.

1766
02:28:44,080 --> 02:28:48,660
And I had parents that came and told me how thankful

1767
02:28:48,660 --> 02:28:50,940
they were that their kids were not sitting inside

1768
02:28:50,940 --> 02:28:53,540
this summer watching TV, but they were actually outside

1769
02:28:53,540 --> 02:28:55,180
and they could still hear them.

1770
02:28:55,920 --> 02:29:04,740
I also thought one of the special things was that sometimes we focus or I know that

1771
02:29:04,740 --> 02:29:10,920
I was really interested as soccer director to not just focus on a rec program but soccer

1772
02:29:10,920 --> 02:29:15,960
for all ages and that was something that I thought was so great not only were there kids playing,

1773
02:29:16,160 --> 02:29:22,900
we had time for younger kids, we had time for kids that were you know fifth, sixth grade

1774
02:29:22,900 --> 02:29:28,560
And then we had the kids that, you know, I, for me, I'm most excited to make sure they're not on their phones

1775
02:29:29,040 --> 02:29:36,340
But doing something that's truly productive for them and athletic and making friends and so I saw that

1776
02:29:36,340 --> 02:29:41,740
And then I also saw adults and then I saw a grandparents. I have a neighbor that

1777
02:29:42,680 --> 02:29:47,720
She's really sweet, but she actually came down to watch the games because she was a huge soccer fan

1778
02:29:48,220 --> 02:29:51,160
So it was really great to see multiple age groups come out

1779
02:29:51,160 --> 02:29:57,380
kids getting off their tablets and seeing a lot of barriers that sometimes come up

1780
02:29:57,380 --> 02:29:59,720
with who has money and who doesn't.

1781
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,980
That was totally erased by this. And I know that Maddie and I have talked a lot about this, but I think one thing that would be so special for this town to be the leader in, is it's getting so expensive for kids to play sports now in the United States. There's a New York Times article that came out today, or sorry, New York Magazine article that came out today, about how expensive it is and how parents are now feeling like they don't have an option or they'll avoid sports all together.

1782
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:31,760
because it's just too much for their family.

1783
02:30:32,300 --> 02:30:34,480
I think this would be such a great opportunity

1784
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:37,460
for our REC program to lead the way

1785
02:30:37,460 --> 02:30:40,020
in making sure there's access to sports for all.

1786
02:30:42,190 --> 02:30:42,290
Yeah.

1787
02:30:42,610 --> 02:30:43,030
Thanks, Fiona.

1788
02:30:43,290 --> 02:30:44,150
Do I miss anything, Maddie?

1789
02:30:44,750 --> 02:30:44,870
OK.

1790
02:30:46,190 --> 02:30:48,530
Anyone else in the chamber wishing to provide public comment

1791
02:30:48,530 --> 02:30:48,950
on this?

1792
02:30:50,390 --> 02:30:51,430
Search anybody online?

1793
02:30:52,030 --> 02:30:53,770
Mayor, we do have one hand raised.

1794
02:30:54,310 --> 02:30:54,930
And right, let's do it.

1795
02:30:55,030 --> 02:30:56,270
Dave, you have been unmuted.

1796
02:30:59,560 --> 02:31:00,260
You guys hear me?

1797
02:31:00,680 --> 02:31:01,300
We can.

1798
02:31:01,560 --> 02:31:01,720
Gabe.

1799
02:31:01,960 --> 02:31:02,240
Welcome.

1800
02:31:03,240 --> 02:31:07,400
Hey everybody, I was there in the chamber and I had to run home and take my

1801
02:31:07,400 --> 02:31:13,120
girls home so far. I will make it quick because I don't have much time. Really, I'll

1802
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:17,660
comment a few things sad but one more day, this is a thank you comment, thank you to

1803
02:31:17,660 --> 02:31:23,420
Maddie and Rack for taking a shot on this crazy idea this summer. I know I've

1804
02:31:23,420 --> 02:31:28,040
spoken about it to several of you there in the council and so you know this has

1805
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:32,040
been kind of a long time an idea and this summer was really just a chance

1806
02:31:32,040 --> 02:31:37,680
to kind of activate that idea and test it out, and I think the town resoundingly said

1807
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:38,780
we want this.

1808
02:31:39,000 --> 02:31:42,540
And so Chef Todd here, to your comment about how do we know what the town wants?

1809
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:48,060
I mean, in case in point, right, like, I showed up to a meeting about Memorial Park and

1810
02:31:49,120 --> 02:31:53,620
Futsal Soccer wasn't even on the plans, you know, and so I kind of raised hands and, hey,

1811
02:31:53,660 --> 02:31:56,800
have you guys interviewed like a lot of the young people in town and said, well, no, the

1812
02:31:56,800 --> 02:32:00,700
majority of people responded to survey, we're like, you know, above a certain age, and so

1813
02:32:00,700 --> 02:32:04,460
So then they kind of sent us a survey out to the other folks and they got an overwhelming

1814
02:32:04,460 --> 02:32:06,580
response that Futsal was of interest.

1815
02:32:06,860 --> 02:32:11,980
So I think doing things like that, you know, really asking the town what it is that we're

1816
02:32:11,980 --> 02:32:13,660
doing and like you said, by these waves that are coming.

1817
02:32:13,780 --> 02:32:18,140
But I think, resoundly, what we saw this summer is that soccer in Futsal is of interest.

1818
02:32:18,340 --> 02:32:19,560
I mean, so many people came out.

1819
02:32:19,960 --> 02:32:21,480
Hopefully you guys got a chance to see it.

1820
02:32:21,620 --> 02:32:26,820
And so, you know, big thank you to everybody involved Fiona and their Fabian.

1821
02:32:26,820 --> 02:32:33,260
As Sam's, I'm a rec soccer, we're so supportive and I just couldn't be proud of our town the way they showed up and

1822
02:32:33,260 --> 02:32:37,020
how inclusive it was and just how good of a community we live in.

1823
02:32:38,060 --> 02:32:43,980
I know on the budget gap piece, you know, I fully agree that has to be sorted out and

1824
02:32:44,660 --> 02:32:51,780
look, I think we are a big believer in momentum, right, and like activate it, build it and it'll come and I think we have to

1825
02:32:51,780 --> 02:32:53,700
to leverage the momentum we built this summer

1826
02:32:53,700 --> 02:32:55,180
and go out to some of the folks in town

1827
02:32:55,180 --> 02:32:57,580
who want to see this become a full-time thing

1828
02:32:57,580 --> 02:32:59,960
and hopefully we'll raise some of the money,

1829
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:03,720
but I agree, like we have to have a plan for a good chunk of that

1830
02:33:03,720 --> 02:33:06,700
and I will be working kind of hand in hand with Maddie

1831
02:33:06,700 --> 02:33:09,280
to make sure this becomes real.

1832
02:33:10,280 --> 02:33:12,660
I'd love to see it as part of just living here

1833
02:33:12,660 --> 02:33:15,600
and being a soccer fan and being a fan of our town.

1834
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:19,280
So thanks again for you guys for supporting this

1835
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:26,420
and I'm confident we'll be here in a year's time, celebrating a new court opening both for Pickleball and Fletzell.

1836
02:33:26,820 --> 02:33:29,500
Thank you, Gabe, and again, great job this summer.

1837
02:33:30,340 --> 02:33:30,620
Thank you.

1838
02:33:32,240 --> 02:33:36,340
Our next speaker, Johnny, Johnny, you have been unmuted.

1839
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:37,480
Johnny, welcome.

1840
02:33:46,550 --> 02:33:47,450
We can't hear you, Johnny.

1841
02:33:50,620 --> 02:33:51,180
I'm so sorry.

1842
02:33:51,780 --> 02:33:52,460
We can hear you now.

1843
02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:56,260
I missed the blinking blue button right in front of my face.

1844
02:33:56,260 --> 02:34:10,180
Hi, John Moss, I'll make it quick to very supportive of the athletic facility renovation.

1845
02:34:11,100 --> 02:34:18,600
I had a chance to be down at the courts this summer with my kids, with my family, with

1846
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:21,180
a lot of other people who were interested.

1847
02:34:21,180 --> 02:34:26,980
and I echo what Fiona mentioned and what Gabe has also shared and I know we're not changing

1848
02:34:26,980 --> 02:34:31,780
minds here. It sounds like we have a lot of support but what a special experience to be there

1849
02:34:31,780 --> 02:34:38,240
with so many different people at different ages and seeing all the smiles and all the fun that

1850
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:43,320
happened. So I think Gabe you mentioned something really important which I think is that we should

1851
02:34:43,320 --> 02:34:49,400
build off the momentum of what you guys did there and I think that's a great idea. I think there

1852
02:34:49,400 --> 02:34:54,600
there's so much support that I have to think that from a grassroots level there's some

1853
02:34:55,060 --> 02:34:58,040
funding opportunities just from within the community itself.

1854
02:34:58,740 --> 02:35:07,640
And I urge the council to have the gumption to move this forward on the faith that the

1855
02:35:07,640 --> 02:35:13,300
community will step forward to fill that gap where it's needed and rise to the occasion.

1856
02:35:13,540 --> 02:35:15,740
So thank you all for considering this project.

1857
02:35:15,740 --> 02:35:24,700
I think it's going to be a great asset for the community, and thanks to everyone that made this summer happen, appreciate it.

1858
02:35:24,860 --> 02:35:25,140
Thank you.

1859
02:35:25,380 --> 02:35:26,020
Thank you, John.

1860
02:35:26,900 --> 02:35:27,360
May I ask?

1861
02:35:27,580 --> 02:35:28,560
There are no other hands raised.

1862
02:35:28,920 --> 02:35:36,840
Okay, so we'll close public comment at this point, and staff is looking for direction on this, so that's where we'll focus our discussion.

1863
02:35:37,280 --> 02:35:38,300
Would anybody like to start?

1864
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:47,140
I want to answer to some questions that people had about how do we know what the community

1865
02:35:47,140 --> 02:35:47,520
wants.

1866
02:35:48,680 --> 02:35:55,180
We have had years of meetings about this project and surveys and then as Gabe suggested

1867
02:35:55,180 --> 02:35:57,680
iterations of surveys to try to reach more people.

1868
02:35:58,500 --> 02:36:03,860
So the design and Mike, thank you so much for the design and sticking with this project because

1869
02:36:03,860 --> 02:36:07,700
you've been a joy to work with and you're really smart and good at what you do.

1870
02:36:08,900 --> 02:36:13,040
So it's been great. I think everyone likes the concept. I don't think we're really even

1871
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:17,860
arguing about that at all. But kind of what I do want to drill down a little on your

1872
02:36:17,860 --> 02:36:22,700
U.S. comments about, okay, what's our list of priorities and why does this move up? Because

1873
02:36:22,700 --> 02:36:28,220
that's a good question. And I am really proud of this council and this town council for many

1874
02:36:28,220 --> 02:36:35,960
years that we have always focused on infrastructure and always triaged into wants, wishes and needs,

1875
02:36:36,440 --> 02:36:37,480
and put needs first.

1876
02:36:38,000 --> 02:36:41,980
And I just think about the fire station, you know, we'll fix a failing bridge.

1877
02:36:42,340 --> 02:36:48,760
We did all the work recently on Robeson when it had dry rot on the library, on the roof here.

1878
02:36:49,380 --> 02:36:56,060
But it is so uppercase that this discussion is following the insurance discussion.

1879
02:36:56,060 --> 02:36:59,340
because that park has moved into a need.

1880
02:37:00,020 --> 02:37:08,000
Anyone that goes out there and looks at the condition of the surfaces, this isn't just a lot or a wish.

1881
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:14,260
It is in such bad condition that if we don't do it, we're going to have claims, because people are going to get injured.

1882
02:37:15,320 --> 02:37:22,560
But that's the real reason, the stick to do it, but there's a carrot, and that is that so many of our residents use it.

1883
02:37:24,120 --> 02:37:28,520
And so I think this we absolutely should move forward.

1884
02:37:28,940 --> 02:37:32,640
I think, I mean, I can just tell you right now if we have to dip into reserves.

1885
02:37:32,900 --> 02:37:35,740
I think this has become a need in a project, we should do it.

1886
02:37:36,020 --> 02:37:38,300
I hope we don't and I hope fundraising works.

1887
02:37:38,780 --> 02:37:44,980
But we have been focused on trying to remedy this park for a decade is the truth.

1888
02:37:45,600 --> 02:37:48,960
And the project has been appropriately scaled back.

1889
02:37:49,980 --> 02:38:00,580
We may not be able to do the beautification in the beginning right away, and that's okay, because we'll get the areas that will be used, which is what we primarily want, which our rec programming will be able to use year round.

1890
02:38:01,300 --> 02:38:14,600
So I think it's thinking about that, and I also compare it with Creek Part where we just got lucky and aren't going to have to spend a bunch of money in or even diverting a little money we had set aside for that over to this project, right, Jeff?

1891
02:38:16,740 --> 02:38:21,180
So because we were able to divert that money, that even gives us a little more of a push.

1892
02:38:21,700 --> 02:38:26,060
And that was money that I liked, it was hoarding for Cree Park eventually.

1893
02:38:26,080 --> 02:38:27,500
And then we got lucky and got these donors.

1894
02:38:27,920 --> 02:38:29,340
So I'm happy to move that over.

1895
02:38:30,100 --> 02:38:36,700
But I think that this is a real smart move and keeps us focused on infrastructure,

1896
02:38:36,700 --> 02:38:39,280
which is really our primary job here.

1897
02:38:40,100 --> 02:38:41,140
So that's my thoughts.

1898
02:38:41,700 --> 02:38:42,200
Thank you.

1899
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:43,400
You can go next.

1900
02:38:43,400 --> 02:38:49,960
go ahead. I'm very supportive of the project, the need. I've watched both of my children play

1901
02:38:49,960 --> 02:38:55,380
foot sol on basketball courts inside and worried that they go face-first into the bleachers,

1902
02:38:55,560 --> 02:39:01,180
so it's going to be really, it's going to be really nice. We'll have a dedicated foot sol

1903
02:39:01,180 --> 02:39:08,900
court in terms of, and I know there's great love for a pickleball as well as tennis, but you know,

1904
02:39:08,900 --> 02:39:10,980
You get to have favorites in this sort of thing.

1905
02:39:11,520 --> 02:39:17,040
The other piece that I would say was just the piece about what's our plan five years

1906
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:18,300
from now to no engagement.

1907
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:23,480
Wonderful that we have a look back process, wonderful that folks who've been here for

1908
02:39:23,480 --> 02:39:24,900
20 years have been doing this work.

1909
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:31,880
And there are multiple new generations here in Gabe say that this came up in a meeting

1910
02:39:31,880 --> 02:39:37,240
and we pursued it actively, gives me hope, but I think the core of the community engagement

1911
02:39:37,240 --> 02:39:41,380
piece that I'm thinking about is for people who don't cross the metaphorical

1912
02:39:41,380 --> 02:39:47,700
transom, how are we reaching them? So that's the key there. Other than that, I think

1913
02:39:47,700 --> 02:39:54,200
about noise but I'm sure both planning and the rec commission will think about

1914
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:59,300
that in the surfaces, you know, how can we minimize noise for, you know, the

1915
02:39:59,300 --> 02:40:03,280
apartments that we have the most influence over, are we thinking about it, is a bell

1916
02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:10,240
cooker for those units there. Can we put an extra layer of window over the window for

1917
02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:15,060
noises to reduce noise for those families? But I think those are, you know, long term

1918
02:40:15,060 --> 02:40:19,400
thoughts after you get past the next phase. The final thing is, you know, it would be great

1919
02:40:19,400 --> 02:40:24,880
once you all talk about priorities, but as usual, and as Jeff mentioned, the priorities will

1920
02:40:24,880 --> 02:40:31,340
certainly come to this council to be voted on by the collective and shifted or fully

1921
02:40:31,340 --> 02:40:36,080
affirmed as necessary, so I feel confident in that process and that we'll get there.

1922
02:40:37,160 --> 02:40:37,800
Very excited.

1923
02:40:38,660 --> 02:40:39,520
Thank you.

1924
02:40:40,020 --> 02:40:40,280
Go ahead.

1925
02:40:40,980 --> 02:40:42,260
This is a great plan.

1926
02:40:42,600 --> 02:40:43,040
I love it.

1927
02:40:43,580 --> 02:40:44,360
I am.

1928
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:49,740
I've been wanting to try pickleball and every time I look up where to find it, it's frigging

1929
02:40:49,740 --> 02:40:52,620
like 400 bucks and I'm not, I can't afford that.

1930
02:40:52,800 --> 02:40:59,060
So I just, I hope that we at least for the beginning will maybe consider some programming

1931
02:40:59,060 --> 02:41:04,200
that will be provided for residents so that they can learn how to use these

1932
02:41:04,200 --> 02:41:10,320
things in a reasonably priced way. College of Marin has almost free cloth.

1933
02:41:11,360 --> 02:41:15,740
I'll take you out to play pickle. Oh, good. I'll take you out to play pickle.

1934
02:41:16,440 --> 02:41:21,640
I should say the library has you can check out in their library of things. You can

1935
02:41:21,640 --> 02:41:25,440
check out pickleball. So I did reserve that, but I don't know what I'm doing.

1936
02:41:25,440 --> 02:41:34,360
So pickleball noise complaints are not due to the surface. They're due to the ball against the paddle those are the that's the noise abatement that actually required

1937
02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:53,400
Sorry, were you done? I wasn't sorry. Okay, like I said, I love this concept. I think it would be such a huge improvement to our community, to engagements providing services and resources for

1938
02:41:53,400 --> 02:41:57,480
or a growing sport and activity in our community

1939
02:41:57,480 --> 02:42:00,640
and growing interest in soccer and puts all dedicated

1940
02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:02,640
pickleball courts, like the vision is great.

1941
02:42:03,320 --> 02:42:05,840
And so I'm fully supportive of moving forward

1942
02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:09,240
with the design and moving forward the vision

1943
02:42:10,190 --> 02:42:14,440
do want to get to clarity on the finances here.

1944
02:42:14,860 --> 02:42:17,700
Because unlike, I mean, I would not be okay

1945
02:42:17,700 --> 02:42:20,660
going into the general fund reserves for this.

1946
02:42:20,660 --> 02:42:27,460
like I don't think, given the thin line on which we are operating there, and potential

1947
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:34,380
liabilities coming down our way, for example, if Roth decides to open a new fire station

1948
02:42:34,380 --> 02:42:39,660
and what that would mean for what our costs would be to operate public safety, right?

1949
02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:45,380
Like, we are looking down a world in which I think our reserves and our general fund reserves

1950
02:42:45,380 --> 02:42:49,800
are going to become increasingly important, and so I do think that we need to be very clear

1951
02:42:49,800 --> 02:42:53,000
are on where the sources of funds for this project

1952
02:42:53,000 --> 02:42:56,120
in particular given the uncertainties around it.

1953
02:42:56,280 --> 02:42:59,100
So that's my only hesitation,

1954
02:42:59,360 --> 02:43:02,540
but very supportive of the goals, the vision,

1955
02:43:02,780 --> 02:43:05,340
the design moving forward, again,

1956
02:43:05,480 --> 02:43:07,680
just with wanting to put the financial pieces

1957
02:43:07,680 --> 02:43:08,600
together appropriately.

1958
02:43:10,040 --> 02:43:13,320
All right, well, and I'll be fairly brief here,

1959
02:43:13,420 --> 02:43:16,360
but again, a huge thank you to staff,

1960
02:43:16,360 --> 02:43:25,200
Mathi and the REC team, Mike for your work, Fiona, Fabian, Gabe, the whole team, like this

1961
02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:27,660
is really exciting to be at this stage.

1962
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:35,380
I certainly do echo a lot of what council member Burke had mentioned on this item and kind

1963
02:43:35,980 --> 02:43:37,940
solidly with her on those points.

1964
02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:45,360
I think, you know, this is a big ask certainly, but we don't know what the bid is going to

1965
02:43:45,360 --> 02:43:51,340
coming on, there is uncertainty at this point about what investment we could make as a town

1966
02:43:51,340 --> 02:43:55,640
or the wreck department. And we certainly don't know what fundraising will look like. So,

1967
02:43:56,340 --> 02:44:00,560
I think we should move forward with the current design and vision and come back to reassess

1968
02:44:00,950 --> 02:44:07,240
the financial particulars once we have a clearer, a closer design, a clearer idea of what

1969
02:44:07,240 --> 02:44:11,480
our internal funding sources will look like and what we think we could fundraise.

1970
02:44:14,220 --> 02:44:15,340
You know,

1971
02:44:15,340 --> 02:44:20,940
rather than a watt is very poignant and I think she you know made the case and

1972
02:44:20,940 --> 02:44:24,840
and we this is the same kind of conversation we had about the playing field at

1973
02:44:24,840 --> 02:44:29,520
Memorial Park right where it wasn't a safe field to play on and we were we

1974
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:34,360
were really at risk of you know claims of people getting injured we have

1975
02:44:34,360 --> 02:44:38,440
softball there we have soccer and this is no different with the tennis courts and

1976
02:44:38,440 --> 02:44:44,300
and kind of the surfacing that we have down there you know I've been I've been

1977
02:44:44,300 --> 02:44:48,040
here for a while now. I'm not, you know, I haven't lived here my whole life like

1978
02:44:48,040 --> 02:44:53,340
Eileen, but I'm not 20 years now. What I've learned, you know, when I first moved

1979
02:44:53,340 --> 02:44:59,120
here, San Ensemble, was still that sleepy antique town, you know, and what I've

1980
02:44:59,120 --> 02:44:59,620
learned is

1981
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,740
That when we invest in our infrastructure and our programs and our ideas, we improve the town certainly, but it also pays dividends. Look at live in the avenue, look at our parklet program, look at the things we have done. These were all risks at one point that have paid huge dividends. And I think this project is no different. I do put it in the need category as opposed to the want. And I think, you know, not so similar to a lot of other jurisdictions.

1982
02:45:30,420 --> 02:45:32,240
We've been very fiscally prudent.

1983
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:35,400
We've been great fiscal stewards for our residents.

1984
02:45:35,800 --> 02:45:39,060
And I think, you know, as we articulated earlier,

1985
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:42,680
prioritizing the fire station, prioritizing the library,

1986
02:45:43,240 --> 02:45:44,760
prioritizing the roof, the rec center.

1987
02:45:44,900 --> 02:45:46,920
Like, we've got our priorities straight.

1988
02:45:47,120 --> 02:45:50,640
And I am hopeful that, you know, fundraising will materialize

1989
02:45:50,640 --> 02:45:53,080
and we will be able to get this across the finish line.

1990
02:45:53,080 --> 02:45:55,580
But as it stands right now, I'm still a yes to all.

1991
02:45:56,700 --> 02:45:58,960
And, you know, want to see this move forward.

1992
02:45:58,960 --> 02:46:01,980
So at this point, we've heard from everyone.

1993
02:46:01,980 --> 02:46:04,460
I want to ask Maddie and Dave, do you guys have you heard

1994
02:46:04,460 --> 02:46:07,180
everything you need at this point to continue moving forward?

1995
02:46:08,120 --> 02:46:08,640
Excellent.

1996
02:46:09,620 --> 02:46:12,820
Well, then with that, we will close the item.

1997
02:46:13,060 --> 02:46:14,880
Thank you to everybody who stayed for this.

1998
02:46:14,960 --> 02:46:16,140
Mike and Fiotta.

1999
02:46:16,280 --> 02:46:18,080
You can just stay up on a Tuesday.

2000
02:46:19,800 --> 02:46:21,700
We are so sorry.

2001
02:46:21,800 --> 02:46:25,140
I'm sure that risk pool discussion really

2002
02:46:30,980 --> 02:46:37,420
I'll just check in. I think we could make it through this last item pretty quickly. Does anybody need a bio break or anything?

2003
02:46:38,140 --> 02:46:40,020
Let's power through.

2004
02:46:40,340 --> 02:46:41,160
All right, let's go.

2005
02:46:41,160 --> 02:46:51,200
So, our last item of the night, formerly item 2-3, is reviewing a letter and authorizing

2006
02:46:51,200 --> 02:46:54,920
me to sign it with respect to the grand jury report on Marine Clean Energy.

2007
02:46:56,600 --> 02:46:57,120
Heidi!

2008
02:46:57,660 --> 02:46:58,280
Good evening.

2009
02:46:58,420 --> 02:46:59,840
Oh, Heidi, you're waiting here.

2010
02:47:00,420 --> 02:47:00,940
Oh, man.

2011
02:47:02,420 --> 02:47:02,560
You.

2012
02:47:03,620 --> 02:47:04,660
I'm sorry, Heidi.

2013
02:47:05,140 --> 02:47:07,160
No, okay.

2014
02:47:07,420 --> 02:47:08,040
You're good.

2015
02:47:08,340 --> 02:47:08,660
Okay, great.

2016
02:47:09,040 --> 02:47:09,880
Well, I'll start again.

2017
02:47:09,880 --> 02:47:12,940
Good evening, Mayor Birdo, members of the town council.

2018
02:47:13,460 --> 02:47:19,220
Before I start, I'd like to thank Vice Mayor Walker and Brigitte Whitpler, the town's

2019
02:47:19,220 --> 02:47:22,740
climate action coordinator for taking the lead on this report.

2020
02:47:23,380 --> 02:47:28,340
Brigitte is unable to attend this evening, so I will be pinch hitting and hopefully I'll

2021
02:47:28,340 --> 02:47:32,080
be able to summarize the report accurately.

2022
02:47:32,720 --> 02:47:39,400
So why are we here this evening, stemming from an over-expenditure at the Marin Clean Energy

2023
02:47:39,400 --> 02:47:48,140
MCE, now known as MCE, the Marin County Granjury Commission to report to examine MCE's

2024
02:47:48,140 --> 02:47:54,300
governance, oversight and transparency practices, and identify some findings and recommendations

2025
02:47:54,300 --> 02:48:03,800
to move forward. For a background context, MCE originally was formed in 2008 as a joint powers

2026
02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:09,560
authority using what they call a community choice aggregator model, so it was kind

2027
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:17,320
of a new concept how to form and buy energy and allows communities to buy alternative

2028
02:48:17,320 --> 02:48:24,040
sources of energy that might be cleaner than normal PG&E, but in terms of San Enselmo

2029
02:48:24,040 --> 02:48:30,540
PG&E is still our utility provider and they provide it, but MCE provides this alternative

2030
02:48:30,540 --> 02:48:37,460
option that people can play into. Currently, MC started just more in county and as

2031
02:48:37,460 --> 02:48:44,760
expanded currently there's 38 members. As part of this CCA and it's comprised of

2032
02:48:44,760 --> 02:48:49,300
more in county, Contra Costa County, Napa, and Sonoma counties. There's approximately

2033
02:48:49,300 --> 02:48:59,380
1.8 million customers and their annual revenues exceed over $840 million. So the

2034
02:48:59,380 --> 02:49:06,260
So grand jury report that was written for NCE identified 14 findings that were deficient

2035
02:49:06,260 --> 02:49:10,000
in 13 recommendations of those findings and recommendations.

2036
02:49:10,380 --> 02:49:16,860
The town of San Enselmo is responsible for responding to two findings and two recommendations.

2037
02:49:17,600 --> 02:49:25,060
The remaining of the findings and recommendations are to be addressed by NCE and another state

2038
02:49:25,060 --> 02:49:25,440
agency.

2039
02:49:25,440 --> 02:49:31,940
And if you saw in the Marine IJ, there is an article that's written about MCE's response.

2040
02:49:32,840 --> 02:49:41,920
So the background, so what are the findings and recommendations that send and sell most

2041
02:49:41,920 --> 02:49:47,580
responsible for, is one of the findings is that they've identified that board members have

2042
02:49:47,580 --> 02:49:52,480
limited specialized expertise regarding a large and complex companies such as MCE.

2043
02:49:52,480 --> 02:49:58,120
And the other finding is that board members are a local elected officials with competing

2044
02:49:58,120 --> 02:50:02,660
demands and attendance matters for effective governance is necessary.

2045
02:50:02,840 --> 02:50:03,740
So those are summarized.

2046
02:50:04,120 --> 02:50:09,220
So in response to those findings, there are two recommendations that by December 31st of

2047
02:50:09,220 --> 02:50:15,240
this year, primary representatives on the MCE or designated alternates are committed to

2048
02:50:15,240 --> 02:50:17,180
attending each meeting regularly.

2049
02:50:17,180 --> 02:50:23,420
Finally, the other recommendation is also by December 31st of this year that the town

2050
02:50:23,420 --> 02:50:28,660
reassess its appointments to prioritize members with financial and energy expertise.

2051
02:50:29,700 --> 02:50:35,840
In terms of the draft response that the town has prepared for response, the first response,

2052
02:50:36,200 --> 02:50:41,560
the town agrees with it or the recommendation and that it's been implemented.

2053
02:50:41,560 --> 02:50:47,260
So, represented representation is already addressed and in some of the points both primary

2054
02:50:47,260 --> 02:50:53,020
MCE members and alternates and if a primary member is not able to attend the alternate

2055
02:50:53,020 --> 02:50:54,180
then attends the meeting.

2056
02:50:55,040 --> 02:51:02,800
The second recommendation, the town's proposed response is that we partially agree with it,

2057
02:51:03,180 --> 02:51:09,640
and this is regarding expertise related to appointments, expertise matters but shouldn't

2058
02:51:09,640 --> 02:51:10,720
be the only criterion.

2059
02:51:10,720 --> 02:51:25,680
So the proposed response recognizes financial and energy expertise would be important but we also want to consider governance, institutional knowledge, compliance, continuity, and community representation.

2060
02:51:26,700 --> 02:51:39,420
So staff is recommending that the town council consider the proposed draft response, identify if any necessary changes are needed or warranted and authorize the mayor to sign the response.

2061
02:51:39,420 --> 02:51:44,120
and then following the town council's action, then staff will button up the

2062
02:51:44,120 --> 02:51:48,440
response and send it off to the Marin County grand jury. So with that

2063
02:51:48,440 --> 02:51:54,240
concludes our presentation and Vice Mayor Walker and I are available to answer any

2064
02:51:54,240 --> 02:51:58,260
questions you may have. Great. Anybody have any questions? I don't I have a lot of

2065
02:51:58,260 --> 02:52:01,500
comments in the class but no questions.

2066
02:52:04,080 --> 02:52:07,220
I have no questions either so let's open a

2067
02:52:07,220 --> 02:52:09,640
public comment. We'll start with the chamber.

2068
02:52:12,020 --> 02:52:16,000
Move to online. Mayor, there are no hands

2069
02:52:16,000 --> 02:52:18,900
raised. All right, so we'll close public comment. Now we can get to comments.

2070
02:52:19,740 --> 02:52:24,840
Tara, would you like to? Yeah, I'll go ahead. So I was on, I served on the board probably

2071
02:52:24,840 --> 02:52:29,780
the longest of anyone in this room, which was not that long. We're relatively new here.

2072
02:52:30,540 --> 02:52:35,500
But one of the things I definitely felt was that there were too many people on that board,

2073
02:52:35,500 --> 02:52:43,520
and it made speaking up about your opinion very vulnerable and difficult, and I'm wondering,

2074
02:52:44,200 --> 02:52:49,980
it seems to me in looking at the questions that we're asking, that we're asked to respond to.

2075
02:52:50,540 --> 02:52:59,480
It's almost putting the onus upon MCE to do a better job of training us as board members,

2076
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:02,940
and I'm not necessarily of the mind that that's the case.

2077
02:53:02,940 --> 02:53:11,780
I think there was a lot of orientation and training that I went to. In fact, the packets were always 200 pages long or longer.

2078
02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:12,780
Sorry.

2079
02:53:15,420 --> 02:53:16,380
I'm getting it done.

2080
02:53:17,080 --> 02:53:21,620
And you know, in the orientations, we're hours and hours. You have to drive the concrete sometimes.

2081
02:53:22,040 --> 02:53:24,160
And there was a lot of information.

2082
02:53:24,760 --> 02:53:34,440
I really, I'm concerned with this new governance review that is happening that they will possibly

2083
02:53:34,440 --> 02:53:40,040
stick to the same number of board members, that's what I've heard, that the consultant

2084
02:53:40,040 --> 02:53:43,800
is possibly considering, that's what I've heard through the grapevine, it might not be true,

2085
02:53:44,480 --> 02:53:49,340
but I'm concerned that if that's the case, we're going to be in the same situation and that

2086
02:53:49,340 --> 02:53:53,460
this, our response will not be adequate.

2087
02:53:54,040 --> 02:54:03,320
I have a copy and I gave it to Megan of Belvedere's response and Fairfax's red line response

2088
02:54:03,320 --> 02:54:04,620
to the Belvedere response.

2089
02:54:04,940 --> 02:54:12,160
And I think I would like to see us revise our response with a little bit more meat that talks

2090
02:54:12,160 --> 02:54:22,560
about the difficulty in getting the expertise needed when you have a representative from

2091
02:54:22,560 --> 02:54:28,660
every single town on that board. I would like to, I would like the governance committee

2092
02:54:28,660 --> 02:54:33,500
to consider, and maybe that's, there's no place for that in this response, but I would like

2093
02:54:33,500 --> 02:54:39,180
the governance committee to consider something like what we have for the Coastal Commission

2094
02:54:39,180 --> 02:54:54,800
where everybody, where maybe a few representatives from each county goes as a board member and those people are chosen based on their expertise, not just the fact that they were the last person standing and got pushed in that direction.

2095
02:54:55,160 --> 02:55:08,240
So I think we can do a little bit better. I think our answers are really short and probably that's by design but I think there's a good model in what Belvedere provided that I think we should consider.

2096
02:55:08,240 --> 02:55:08,720
consider.

2097
02:55:09,660 --> 02:55:11,060
Do you have a deadline to respond?

2098
02:55:11,660 --> 02:55:12,940
December 31st I think.

2099
02:55:13,100 --> 02:55:13,280
No.

2100
02:55:13,860 --> 02:55:14,300
September.

2101
02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:15,520
Yes.

2102
02:55:16,100 --> 02:55:19,140
This is the last meeting at which we can comply with that deadline.

2103
02:55:19,660 --> 02:55:21,500
I thought there was one more, I'm sorry.

2104
02:55:22,620 --> 02:55:24,220
We would have one more.

2105
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:25,060
We have another meeting.

2106
02:55:25,580 --> 02:55:26,120
We have September 8th.

2107
02:55:26,180 --> 02:55:27,320
We have September 8th.

2108
02:55:28,180 --> 02:55:28,760
That's right.

2109
02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:35,580
So how did we want to, because I'm sure both Heidi and I have thoughts but how do you

2110
02:55:35,580 --> 02:55:36,160
want to proceed?

2111
02:55:36,780 --> 02:55:37,040
Yeah.

2112
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:42,040
I want to hear from everybody else at this point and then we can make a decision of how we want to proceed.

2113
02:55:42,240 --> 02:55:42,840
Do you have more to?

2114
02:55:43,800 --> 02:55:47,220
No, I think that's it. I just think that there's an opportunity in this.

2115
02:55:47,400 --> 02:55:56,760
It might not be the best venue for it, but there is an opportunity and I see that the other towns are taking this opportunity to kind of let people know that that's what we're thinking.

2116
02:55:58,300 --> 02:56:07,020
I don't disagree with the idea that we could use this response to be a little bit broader in how we want to address some of the failings.

2117
02:56:07,020 --> 02:56:14,960
that MCE rather than simply covering R5, R6, etc., and couching some of our larger concerns

2118
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:18,260
as a town and as a council about the governance feelings.

2119
02:56:18,860 --> 02:56:20,300
So I'm certainly open to that.

2120
02:56:20,660 --> 02:56:27,440
My own individual feedback, however, was about our response on R6 where I think we actually

2121
02:56:27,440 --> 02:56:35,980
can and should be in my estimation, a little bit more pointed in our objection to what the

2122
02:56:35,980 --> 02:56:43,940
the grand jury has pointed out here, because extensive energy expertise is silly.

2123
02:56:44,580 --> 02:56:49,860
Let's just be honest, that is not what is, first of all, it's very unlikely that the

2124
02:56:49,860 --> 02:56:53,980
town councils, you know, Belvedere, Tibberon, whatever, are going to have extensive energy

2125
02:56:53,980 --> 02:57:01,800
expertise, but that was not the primary failing of the board of MCEO's governance and financial

2126
02:57:01,800 --> 02:57:04,800
oversight, not energy expertise.

2127
02:57:05,860 --> 02:57:07,140
Well, in lack of transparency.

2128
02:57:07,500 --> 02:57:13,740
I know many, many things, but I just mean like the individual expertise of board members

2129
02:57:13,740 --> 02:57:21,640
in the energy sector itself is like 10th on my list of things that I would be looking

2130
02:57:21,640 --> 02:57:23,940
for in a capable member of that board.

2131
02:57:24,140 --> 02:57:30,700
So personally, I would like to see us be a little bit more pointed in the fact that that

2132
02:57:30,700 --> 02:57:35,920
That is silly, and financial expertise is certainly merited as governance and all those

2133
02:57:35,920 --> 02:57:36,480
other sorts of things.

2134
02:57:36,700 --> 02:57:44,020
But that energy expertise is of itself not a major factor that we believe, not only

2135
02:57:44,020 --> 02:57:48,800
for us, but for others in terms of board member representation, should be one of the criteria

2136
02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:49,880
after consideration.

2137
02:57:51,620 --> 02:57:52,320
Council Member.

2138
02:57:52,700 --> 02:57:57,520
Yeah, so I mean, I mostly defer to those who've been on it because I don't know the experience

2139
02:57:57,520 --> 02:57:57,900
exactly.

2140
02:58:00,240 --> 02:58:03,680
Everything I've read both in the paper and in the report suggests that there were

2141
02:58:03,680 --> 02:58:09,460
many members who just either didn't put in the work or deferred to management because

2142
02:58:09,460 --> 02:58:14,480
it was a lot of work. And that may go to the structure, as Terrell says, that it's a structure

2143
02:58:14,480 --> 02:58:20,800
that does not lend itself to council members for the most part. And so I think we should

2144
02:58:20,800 --> 02:58:25,500
maybe wait. I don't know how we're going to get together or have a consensus between

2145
02:58:25,500 --> 02:58:32,060
now in our next meeting, but it sounds like we should have a more robust response.

2146
02:58:33,020 --> 02:58:34,000
So that's kind of my thoughts.

2147
02:58:34,180 --> 02:58:41,140
I'm happy to defer to Vice Mayor Walker on that, to the extent others want to contribute

2148
02:58:41,140 --> 02:58:41,960
their thoughts to her.

2149
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:43,880
What do you think about that?

2150
02:58:44,660 --> 02:58:45,860
I'm deferring to you now, I guess.

2151
02:58:46,480 --> 02:58:46,700
Sure.

2152
02:58:46,860 --> 02:58:51,880
I mean, I think by design, this response focuses on San and Selma.

2153
02:58:51,880 --> 02:59:01,360
And as the person who set on the MCE broader response put more than 20 hours into face-to-face

2154
02:59:01,360 --> 02:59:07,340
meetings and reading, a lot of thought and discussion has gone into the broader concept.

2155
02:59:08,100 --> 02:59:14,980
So I would say keeping our response focused on us, we agree with the first two findings.

2156
02:59:14,980 --> 02:59:22,120
And I don't think that in our agreement, we're saying that 100% of the board was deficient

2157
02:59:22,120 --> 02:59:25,120
or 100% lack of transparency happened.

2158
02:59:25,320 --> 02:59:33,200
But the comments while challenging from the grand jury were substantially correct.

2159
02:59:35,020 --> 02:59:39,140
The grand jury also suggested some things that we already do, that's important.

2160
02:59:39,140 --> 02:59:45,940
The final piece, you know, would it be partially disagree, partially agree, we literally

2161
02:59:45,940 --> 02:59:50,920
spent about two hours on the broader response, with partially agree, partially disagree,

2162
02:59:51,460 --> 02:59:52,600
for the broader organization.

2163
02:59:52,940 --> 02:59:59,880
I think for us, saying what we think is important, and I largely agree with you.

2164
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,320
I don't think that the issue necessarily was energy expertise, and people spoke to that at the last meeting. But what we do need to highlight is some of the things where the deficiencies did show up. They did show up on on governance, on following through on some of the rules, on over deferral to staff on certain occasion. Now, and I also think that it's important for us to be specific about the elements that we think are important.

2165
03:00:29,320 --> 03:00:32,500
So, the governance is in there, you'll see the things that we added.

2166
03:00:33,840 --> 03:00:40,180
It is probably not the best forum for our broader comments to say,

2167
03:00:40,300 --> 03:00:41,920
here's all the things we'd like him see you to do.

2168
03:00:42,580 --> 03:00:46,120
As a council, we could discuss that, but for the purposes of our response,

2169
03:00:46,540 --> 03:00:50,200
we've been authentic, true to San Enselmo and clear.

2170
03:00:50,860 --> 03:00:56,400
We as individuals can have extended personal responses to our feelings about this,

2171
03:00:56,400 --> 03:01:03,500
in writing, or more broadly, but this segment covers what San

2172
03:01:03,500 --> 03:01:04,720
Enselmo needs to do.

2173
03:01:04,960 --> 03:01:07,720
We agree largely, and I don't hear any of us saying,

2174
03:01:07,820 --> 03:01:09,980
no, you know, we want to disagree on lots of things.

2175
03:01:10,580 --> 03:01:14,020
Could we strengthen our response on why we want to align

2176
03:01:14,600 --> 03:01:15,700
with what's in the report?

2177
03:01:16,220 --> 03:01:19,620
We could, but I don't think it's necessary to substantially

2178
03:01:19,620 --> 03:01:24,100
strengthen that response because there is a governance survey

2179
03:01:24,100 --> 03:01:31,900
out there are governance interviews, I participated in one hour interview individually, there are multiple surveys happening.

2180
03:01:32,560 --> 03:01:45,220
This information will come together. It doesn't necessarily exclude the idea that the board could be smaller, that the board could be elected members of bodies or it could be appointed members of bodies.

2181
03:01:45,220 --> 03:01:48,520
But in this, we've been crisp, clear and taken care of San

2182
03:01:48,520 --> 03:01:48,920
Enzelma.

2183
03:01:49,300 --> 03:01:52,440
I've read the response from Belvedere

2184
03:01:52,440 --> 03:01:54,100
hit conversations with their rep.

2185
03:01:54,860 --> 03:01:56,940
I think their approach makes sense.

2186
03:01:57,140 --> 03:02:00,440
I think our approach is aligned with what we need to do

2187
03:02:00,440 --> 03:02:01,160
with San Enzelma.

2188
03:02:04,070 --> 03:02:07,270
So first, I want to thank Vice Mayor Walker

2189
03:02:07,270 --> 03:02:08,650
and Heidi for their work on this.

2190
03:02:09,490 --> 03:02:13,510
I think generally, the responses are good and I'm good

2191
03:02:13,510 --> 03:02:13,890
with them.

2192
03:02:14,050 --> 03:02:16,830
I also do support the idea of maybe adding

2193
03:02:16,830 --> 03:02:22,530
a little more detail, not going so far overboard, but focusing on the areas that relate to San

2194
03:02:22,530 --> 03:02:30,590
and Salmo. You know, I'm the alternate on MCE and I was at the meeting, I was the participant

2195
03:02:30,590 --> 03:02:32,330
at the meeting where everything came to a head.

2196
03:02:34,390 --> 03:02:36,910
In the lead up to that, and in the prior meetings

2197
03:02:36,910 --> 03:02:45,730
I attended, there was really no onboarding process. There was, you know, not a lot of except

2198
03:02:45,730 --> 03:02:50,190
for that last meeting where there were serious decisions that had to be made in closed session,

2199
03:02:50,630 --> 03:02:55,070
there was essentially two days of meetings with legal counsel leading up to that to get you,

2200
03:02:55,290 --> 03:03:03,950
you know, fully brief for that. Again, it seemed very, and I understand with the timing of the

2201
03:03:03,950 --> 03:03:10,010
meeting and everything, but it was very last minute and we have to get this information, you know,

2202
03:03:10,130 --> 03:03:13,790
to the point where I had to take time off of work to participate in these briefings.

2203
03:03:14,730 --> 03:03:22,010
As the alternate, I have participated in the governance survey that they sent around, and I was very candid in my responses there.

2204
03:03:23,430 --> 03:03:31,050
I do believe that I share a lot of council member callways feelings about the makeup of the board.

2205
03:03:31,250 --> 03:03:38,570
I think when it started and it was just Marine County, it was an appropriate side board and the governance model was one that worked.

2206
03:03:39,530 --> 03:03:45,810
However, as it has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger and it is now a multi-county jurisdiction.

2207
03:03:47,850 --> 03:03:52,510
It is very tough and in the expertise aside, right, I don't expect everybody to have

2208
03:03:52,510 --> 03:03:53,650
energy expertise.

2209
03:03:54,190 --> 03:03:59,290
For our positions, financial oversight, governance, best practice, that kind of thing, absolutely,

2210
03:03:59,670 --> 03:03:59,790
right?

2211
03:04:00,670 --> 03:04:06,710
But in terms of how the board is, I know a lot of the board members are on there because

2212
03:04:06,710 --> 03:04:11,670
they like the green credentials they get with the environmental community for being on the board,

2213
03:04:12,150 --> 03:04:17,630
but in my conversations with members of the board, if you ask them to get into the weeds on how

2214
03:04:17,630 --> 03:04:22,890
the sausages made there, they cannot tell you, right? I don't believe it's because they don't have the

2215
03:04:22,890 --> 03:04:33,450
expertise. I believe it is because this is an ancillary assignment compared to what we do here at

2216
03:04:33,450 --> 03:04:37,410
the council and the other vital committees we serve on, right?

2217
03:04:39,450 --> 03:04:44,010
So, and I don't want my words to get twisted, I'm a huge fan of MCE, right?

2218
03:04:44,270 --> 03:04:49,330
Like I think the programs are very important, aside from just the clean energy that they

2219
03:04:49,330 --> 03:04:55,270
provide, I think the programs are, the additional programs are very important and very helpful and

2220
03:04:55,270 --> 03:04:57,230
very wanted at least in our community.

2221
03:04:57,230 --> 03:05:06,010
But when you look at how it is evolved over the years and you consider that this is not

2222
03:05:06,010 --> 03:05:13,130
a committee like the fire board or the police board where there is an absolute direct connection

2223
03:05:13,130 --> 03:05:15,050
to our community, right?

2224
03:05:16,010 --> 03:05:21,150
I would never want to see this, but if MCE went away tomorrow, we would still get electricity,

2225
03:05:21,790 --> 03:05:21,930
right?

2226
03:05:22,090 --> 03:05:25,650
This is about getting clean energy and having a provider to do that.

2227
03:05:25,650 --> 03:05:32,510
So I think it is very difficult for a board member who, whether you're a council member, a county supervisor,

2228
03:05:32,970 --> 03:05:36,510
you have competing priorities every day.

2229
03:05:36,930 --> 03:05:40,410
You know, for me, it's the person who wants to talk about the pothole or the tree,

2230
03:05:41,070 --> 03:05:48,570
or having to go to a meeting about the 60% designs for Memorial Park and the things that are priorities for our community

2231
03:05:48,570 --> 03:05:56,370
to find the time to delve deep into this very nuanced subject matter is very, very hard.

2232
03:05:56,950 --> 03:06:01,850
And I, again, in conversations I've had with other board members when I have to fill in and

2233
03:06:01,850 --> 03:06:06,030
ask them, you know, hey, what's going on here? They're like, oh, well, staff says this,

2234
03:06:06,210 --> 03:06:10,670
everything was staff driven and that's where they got into problems because there was,

2235
03:06:11,210 --> 03:06:17,530
you know, a lot of, you know, just trust in staff and not that they shouldn't trust staff,

2236
03:06:17,530 --> 03:06:22,470
But when you saw the final result of where things were going, that was a very dangerous dynamic.

2237
03:06:22,710 --> 03:06:25,950
And so I do think the board should be smaller.

2238
03:06:26,290 --> 03:06:32,730
I think the board should consist of people that are not necessarily council members.

2239
03:06:33,110 --> 03:06:37,090
I think they could be appointed by a council or a board of supervisors,

2240
03:06:37,310 --> 03:06:41,070
whether it's, you know, same amount of members and we appoint somebody.

2241
03:06:41,850 --> 03:06:47,150
Or it's every county appointing five people that may be the board of supervisors figures out.

2242
03:06:47,150 --> 03:06:52,530
I think that's something that needs to happen, and to your point, Council Member Callaway,

2243
03:06:52,930 --> 03:06:58,370
I've been shocked that that discussion hasn't been more prominent within the overall discussion

2244
03:06:58,810 --> 03:07:02,650
about MC and what's happening, and I know that's no fault of Vice Mayor Walker.

2245
03:07:02,830 --> 03:07:08,650
She's been a great advocate for us on there and has participated very intimately in these

2246
03:07:08,650 --> 03:07:13,610
processes, and she knows how we feel this is a good discussion for us to have.

2247
03:07:13,610 --> 03:07:20,150
So again, I don't know that we need to go into a huge level of detail with the response.

2248
03:07:20,170 --> 03:07:26,890
I was fine with what was written, but if the council majority wants to add some more

2249
03:07:26,890 --> 03:07:28,930
meat to the bones, I would support that.

2250
03:07:29,490 --> 03:07:34,630
You know, I feel confident after hearing both of you speak that it's fine the way it is.

2251
03:07:34,750 --> 03:07:39,430
The reason being is that due to Brown Act, I wasn't able to talk to either of you and

2252
03:07:39,430 --> 03:07:43,490
And I wanted to have this discussion during this forum because it was our only opportunity.

2253
03:07:43,790 --> 03:07:49,770
So it sounds like we're all on the same page and we did it publicly so it's ordained

2254
03:07:49,770 --> 03:07:50,330
and so.

2255
03:07:50,770 --> 03:07:50,890
Okay.

2256
03:07:51,290 --> 03:07:58,210
And the issue of the board size and composition is being deeply discussed, deeply.

2257
03:08:00,870 --> 03:08:08,370
All right, so I think we need to take a vote right now to see if we want to authorize

2258
03:08:08,370 --> 03:08:14,290
me to sign this response to the civil grand jury. So at this time, I'll wait. I'd like

2259
03:08:14,290 --> 03:08:18,250
to open a public comment first. I felt you gazed, Megan.

2260
03:08:19,770 --> 03:08:24,650
Telepathic communication. So we'll start in the chamber. Anybody wishing

2261
03:08:24,650 --> 03:08:28,270
to ride public comment? Seeing none, anybody online surge.

2262
03:08:34,310 --> 03:08:36,790
Sorry, Mayor, but there are no hands

2263
03:08:36,790 --> 03:08:44,910
All right, so then we'll close public comment and at this time I will accept a motion to approve the letter

2264
03:08:44,910 --> 03:08:49,430
I'll move that we approve the town of San San was response the Marine County Civil Grand Jury report

2265
03:08:49,430 --> 03:08:58,290
And I'll second that all right all in favor hi and you posed all right and thank you we are adjourned

2266
03:08:58,290 --> 03:08:59,950
We will see you in September

2267
03:09:10,600 --> 03:09:12,360
I don't know.

2268
03:09:14,040 --> 03:09:14,620
You want it?

2269
03:09:14,720 --> 03:09:15,360
We can read that.

2270
03:09:15,740 --> 03:09:19,020
I don't have any point in my comment to do that, but now that I want to.

2271
03:09:20,300 --> 03:09:21,660
I don't know.

2272
03:09:23,440 --> 03:09:23,840
I'm

2273
03:09:26,620 --> 03:09:26,980
going to do it.

2274
03:09:27,260 --> 03:09:28,540
I mean, I don't approve it.

2275
03:09:28,820 --> 03:09:30,020
I don't approve it.

2276
03:09:30,220 --> 03:09:31,100
And I have to do that.

2277
03:09:31,340 --> 03:09:32,420
I want to do it.

2278
03:09:43,770 --> 03:09:44,170
Right.

2279
03:09:46,110 --> 03:09:46,330
Right.

2280
03:09:46,650 --> 03:09:48,130
The most important thing is that I'm doing it as it was.

2281
03:09:53,880 --> 03:10:06,520
But I didn't, I didn't feel that anybody would exactly know I'm just one of these miles from an area in the 19th century.

2282
03:10:07,160 --> 03:10:07,440
That's right.

2283
03:10:07,840 --> 03:10:08,100
It was.

2284
03:10:08,720 --> 03:10:10,040
But it wasn't around.

2285
03:10:10,480 --> 03:10:10,860
So it was around?

2286
03:10:10,860 --> 03:10:10,940
No.

2287
03:10:11,220 --> 03:10:13,520
It was around the 19th century.

2288
03:10:14,240 --> 03:10:14,640
Okay.

2289
03:10:14,640 --> 03:10:16,820
Thank you very much everybody.

2290
03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:18,900
No, we did hold back for him I will leave that one down.

2291
03:10:19,280 --> 03:10:19,600
There's that on.