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» There you go. All right. Good evening
everyone. Welcome to our regular council

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meeting for Monday, August the 24th. Uh
before we get started, if you are able,

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I would ask you to stand and join us for
our national

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» like to begin by respectfully
acknowledging that the town of Shelurn

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resides in the traditional territory in
the ancestral lands of Isishave,

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including the Ajiway, Padawatami,
Chipua, and the people three fires

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confederacy. These traditional
territories upon which we live, work,

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play, and learn are steeped in rich
indigenous history and traditions. And

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it is with this statement that will
declare to honor and respect past and

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present connection of indigenous peoples
with this land, its waterways and

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resources.
Are there any disclosures of pecuniary

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interest council tonight? Okay.
On to our minutes from the July 13th

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council meeting. Can I have a motion to
adopt those minutes as circulated by

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councelor Gardy, second by councelor
sample. Discussion on those?

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All in favor? It's carried. All right.
So the first item this evening is our

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planning public meeting. And tonight's
public meeting is being held under

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section 34 of the planning act. and it
is to consider an application for zoning

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bylaw amendment for the land zone
municipally as 712 Main Street East in

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the town of Shelurn. Purpose in fact of
the amendment is to add a sightsp

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specific provision to permit a private
school on the subject property whereas

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the current zoning bylaw did not permit
this use in the three C3 zone. I now ask

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the clerk to provide method of notice
for tonight's meeting.

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» Notice that tonight's public meeting is
advertised in local media sources.

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notice have been posted on the town's
website. Notice provided to property

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owners.

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» Great. Thank you. So, uh, as we normally
do in these cases, we'll have a

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presentation uh from town planner
following which there will be an

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opportunity for members of public as
well as members of council to ask

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questions to provide comments and the
clerk will also submit written

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submissions. uh any submissions that uh
that are received whether written or

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oral here this evening will be given
consideration by council prior to any

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decision being made. So with that Steve
I will turn it over to you. Thank you

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mayor mouse and uh all the details of
this application are in my report in the

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agenda package [clears throat] just to
summarize those and go over the comments

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received I a few slides which are on the
screen. Um we also have representatives

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for this application at le joining us
either online or in the room. Um Nolan

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Bentley DH architects and Sarah Mile for
the post private school.

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So the applicant was filed on behalf of
the current owner of the property by DHR

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text. Um as the mayor mentioned it's for
72 street east. Go to the next slide. It

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just shows the location.
are familiar with this. Um the site to

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the east is just under construction for
some fast food development and some

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retail space. Uh this site sits on the
south edge of the industrial commercial

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area along road and industrial road to
the north and uh the land of the south

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is is vacant with some residential homes
uh proven to the southwest and the west.

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um well established commercial area
although some transitions to new

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development and certainly some
additional development opportunities

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future. Um the building itself has had a
history of different uses. Um originally

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constructed I think for insurance office
purposes we mutual insurance there for

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many years uh followed by some medical
and pharmacy uses. Uh there was a site

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plan application uh about three or four
years ago uh for some renovations of the

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basement for additional medical purposes
but that was never finalized. Uh the

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medical uses have since relocated and
the space become available. Um and those

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uses for a private school.
So if we go to the next slide

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um these are just a couple of street
view images showing the existing

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building. It does have a shared access
driveway with those developing

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commercial uses to east um on the north
side of the highway. Uh that is in the

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MTO control portion of the highway. So
um this change in use is being reviewed

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by the Ministry of Transportation and
they have provided some comments that

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I'll summarize later in in the
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Um and the the left hand just shows a
part of the front um parking area as

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[clears throat] well as the the access
ramp for accessibility into the

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building.
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So um I have a bit more details on
another slide about the details of the

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proposed private school. Um but suffice
it to say that the optin is identifying

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it would be entirely located within the
existing building. Um and there wouldn't

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be other uses within the building. This
be private school. Um there are three

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levels within the building. The basement
is mainly unfinished. Um the main floor

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um would be a combination of classrooms
and office and support rooms and the uh

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upper floor would be primarily
classrooms as well and some additional

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support spaces. Um we've listed here
based on the floor plans that we

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received through the application the
details of all the rooms which are also

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detailed report. Um there is some
venting posted and I have a copy of the

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site plan in in the slideshow as well.
Um just to ensure that um you know once

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the children are are waiting to come
into school or when they're released at

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the end of the day that that they aren't
u you know they understand the limits of

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the property and and aren't able to to
wander onto properties. And that was

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specifically proposed in response to
what comments that we received from a

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from a nearby industrial land owner.
And next slide.

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Um so you can see the property location
again here with the zoning map. Um the

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existing zoning u for this property and
the properties nearby is service

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commercial C3 which permits a broad
range of uses. Um it doesn't

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specifically permit private school
though it does permit things like a

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commercial school. So there was a bit of
interpretation of the bylaw required and

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some discussion with the applicant to
determine which definition of the bylaw

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this falls under a private school. The
distinction is is that it's it's mainly

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for academic purposes. Um essentially
similar to a public uh school um for uh

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children um versus a commercial school
is more along lines. It could be um a

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piano studio or something that is not
necessarily all day with many different

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classrooms and specific academic
teaching curriculum but more oriented to

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specialized commercial uh learning
opportunities. Um and the zoning viol as

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I say only permitted the commercial
school and doesn't doesn't permit a

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public school or private school
currently. So the request is just to add

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to the list of permitted uses to prevent
private school. Um, I would say too that

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that is a distinction provinially and
I'll get into this in another slide, but

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for example, the regulations that govern
retailing, they aren't required to be

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buffered a certain distance for things
like piano studios and commercially run

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um schools of that type, but they are
for, you know, K& private public

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schools. So, that is one of the one of
the considerations for this application.

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The next slide.
So the specific um proposed school use

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is by design learning center or BDLC.
They have a site currently east of

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Orangeville um and are looking to
relocate to the to the building

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specifically because it's better suited
to their operations. Um you know the the

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overall interior space is well suited um
as identified by the applicant. Um the

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location as well is desirable in terms
of meeting local needs within Shelurn

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and its immediate surroundings. And um
you'll see attached in my report there's

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a letter from the applicant that
provides some of the indicators of

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demand um why there is no similar you
know private school within town

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currently. So this would be the first of
its kind to to serve those types of

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needs.
Um we asked specifically about

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transportation just given the location.
There are some difficulties that have

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been identified in previous studies with
MTO when we looked at that Shelurn East

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area traffic flows growing traffic at
the intersection of Highway 89 and kind

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of the floor. Um that is a full move
access that mutual driveway that's

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shared among those properties. um but
could be challenging to be used on a

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daily basis by a school bus which
obviously requires a bit more time to

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navigate turns and um there were some
safety considerations as well if kids

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are being picked up or dropped off in
the bus uh in front of that property.

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However, that's not the case. The
applicant confirmed that there would be

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no school provided transportation be
strictly parents and guardians dropping

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off and picking up kids. the MTO would
does request more has requested more

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information including a bit of a traffic
brief to look at that um just to

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understand better the volume of cars
that would be going in and out. However,

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from our assessment um we feel it would
be very similar to the past uses just

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based on the number of classrooms and
number of kids that could accommodate

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the number of staff. In fact, it might
even be a bit less. Um if you took for

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example the parking requirement under
the zoning bylaw the number of

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classrooms identified and
the zoning requirement is 1.5 spaces

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classroom only 14 spaces are required
and there's actually 38 spaces on site.

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So the site itself could accommodate a
much more intensive oriented use um in

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terms of its space and its number of
parking spaces provided.

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As mentioned, this would be a K to8
school. There are nine classrooms then

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identified in plans provided. Um, and
the capacities range from the

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kindergarten room, which is the highest,
which makes sense if you're going to

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start kids into a private school. You
start at the very early age, first grade

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that they enter, and then to the grade
one to grade eight classrooms or smaller

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housing smaller.
Um if you go to the next slide,

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this is the site plan provided as
prepared by DNH architects. Um I've just

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highlighted in red. Really the only
change that's proposed is to put that

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fencing in and that was added after the
original submission. So the plan that's

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attached to my report actually didn't
show that. Um but again in response to

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some comments from an industrial land
owner to the north. This would just make

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absolutely sure that there's no way for
students to wander off the property onto

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the commercial properties on either side
or the industrial properties.

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Um but with that said, you know, the
outdoor is proposed to remain as is.

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There's no new outdoor play areas
proposed to be added or outdoor learning

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areas. Um so really the only time the
kids would be outside is during those

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drop off and picked up times. Um so
parking in Yeah.

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Um this drawing also shows where the
existing parking is located. There's

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more parking spaces actually delineated
on the site than what are shown here.

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They wrap all the way around the
building. Um but this is just

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illustrating how it meets the parking
requirement and outside of that fenced

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area.

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Next slide. So just circling back to the
Ministry of Transportation review of

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this. They did not object to the
approval of the zoning application. In

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fact, they have their own approval
mechanism. So, um even if council were

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to approve the zoning tonight, that
doesn't alleviate the applicant's

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responsibility to meet the MTO
requirements and obtain whatever

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permissions the NTO may require under
the public highway and transportation

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improvement act. Um
so again, the NTO did request a bit more

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information about the traffic
circulation. The applicant has uh

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identified they would provide that
information and was working on that and

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just a bit more information requested by
MTO as well to show the specific um site

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circulation plans. So where would the
students be dropped off where would they

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pick be picked up and I think the thing
that MTO is like most interested in is

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how much queuing space is then provided
similar to when like the drive-throughs

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were provide were being planned on the
site to the east. They just need to make

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sure that there's not going to be a line
of car that backs up interferes with the

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traffic on the highway. And from our
review, there's plenty of room on the

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site and in the driveways to accommodate
that.

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Um there is a traffic assessment intake
form that was specifically required by

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NTO as well and that has been completed
by the order will be submitted by the

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next slide.
So again, I mentioned that uh in Atlanta

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to the north, specifically Shelber
Memorials at 709 Industrial Road had

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some questions um about um the
compatibility of the use with the

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industrial area. And the comments were
more about um access and making sure

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that people can't um move from the edges
of the property onto adjoining property

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where there could be safety concerns
with respect to trucking, industrial

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activity, but also um to do with noise.
And um this was studied to some degree

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when the the residential subdivision at
600 Main Street was planned and there

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were noise studies. And what that found
is that the uses that are um in the

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surrounding vicinity in the commercial
industrial area on industrial actually

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don't generate a lot of exterior noise.
It's a lighter industrial area and

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nothing that requires specific noise
mitigation in that case. Um we also u

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responded to this um when order just to
indicate that um everything would be

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inside the building again. So um if
there are noise sensitivities it

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wouldn't relate to any outdoor use.
Uh the next slide.

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Um we received this comment today just
from the former tenant of the building

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who had expressed to staff and I think
to counsel previously some of the

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concerns about the conditions within the
building. Um in this case um that was

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identified as part of the
pre-conultation where the owner was

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present for the meeting and um they were
identifying that they would make sure

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that everything is compliant with the
required codes and safety measures. Um

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this would be obviously a requirement
through the county building department.

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We have made them aware and shared with
them the prior concerns as well just to

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ensure that there's proper inspection
mechanisms to ensure that everything is

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safe. But ultimately it is up to the
school operator and for the owner to

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work together to ensure everything is
safe and in good working order for for

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the students and um certainly for this
type of use that will be um a critical

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element of of having kids safely
accommodated parents satisfied that

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that's the case. Um don't get into the
details of the issues that are

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identified here. There's a there's quite
a list of them, but those have been

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related and shared with uh with the
applicants and as I mentioned at the

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beginning, the applicant is an
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requirements and ensure this complies
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um back a few years ago when the
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licensing for uh Canada's retailing, um
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regulations was that new Canada's retail
operations could not be located within

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150 meters of the school. And again,
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schools. Um so we did this map at that
time to illustrate the 1150 buffer

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around the existing schools. Um what's
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private school as a permitted and um
active use on this property would extend

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the Centennial Highlands uh buffer a
little bit further north um including

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covering properties one of which already
has a cannabis retail operation. So we

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we dug into the mechanics of that. Um
the buffer doesn't operate to displace

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an existing cannabis retail operation.
They can continue there. But we did make

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that owner aware that if that cannabis
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a private school is active when they try
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That would be the indication is that it
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than mapping this out doesn't have any
regulatory role or um say in any of

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this. Those are just provincial
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establish who can get a license if um
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this map. We did identify that there's
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town and only the ones within me
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in value per uses.
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Okay. So, just to wrap up with a few
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here to receive any comments and
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public and do our best to respond to
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in my report is to subject to those
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consideration to enacting the proposed
zoning bylaw amendment. Um the bylaw is

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included in the agenda package is number
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Very straightforward bylaw. Again just
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application there's a notice of decision
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and everybody who's provided comments.
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the decision. Following that, from the
date of notice, there's a 20-day appeal

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period. Only specified persons under the
planning act can appeal to the Ontario

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Land Tribunal. Um I won't go through
that. It's a lengthy list, but um that

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will be something that be reviewed in
the event of an appeal. Um as I

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mentioned the applicant's responsible to
ensure that NTO requirements are

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addressed and then ultimately final
accordingly will be available um subject

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to there being no appeals
which are subject to a paper decision

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from council um following the final
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time a useful approval building permit
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recommendations and if there's some
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find permit to ensure compliance with
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as well.
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here for any questions or comments.
>> Great. Thanks Steve. U because the

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applicants are here I'll I'll give you
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offer any comments. No pressure but but
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the problems.
>> Sure. I'm Sarah Maya and um I thought

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I'd pack pack the house [laughter]
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» the theater. Um so this is my father Bob
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is the owner. We're we're like a joint
venture with the school. This is my

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husband Mark and he's the actual
principal of the school um and the

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formal educator and these are two of our
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and this is the professional Nolan with
Dickson and Pick. So if you can um add

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comment but just a couple things. Thank
you Steve for your report. um since our

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application because it's a it's really
tricky. I I'm confined by a school year

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as you can appreciate and um ideally I I
would have started this in January and

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given myself lots of time. Um but I
didn't know about the space. The teach

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did not put it on market and it's um
through a great series of events that we

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were able to connect and it wasn't until
June. So, we're working as quickly as we

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can. Um, and part of the trouble is
ideally we'd want to start a school year

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in September at this location. That's
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we can do it, the better for routines
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Um, so we were putting in the
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just wanted to make mention state to
your report. One of the things we have

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partnered with the stream um who I think
you're all familiar with um they have

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such a great reputation here in town but
they would assist us in the before and

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after school program and that's an
important piece to our school and it

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actually becomes quite helpful in
addressing the concerns of the MTO

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because not all our students arrive at
one time and not all depart at one time

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and lots of children need care outside
the school hours. Um and because of that

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partnership, we had the opportunity to
use a 10seater passenger van. So while

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you said there's no um transportation
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initially we would be um especially
assisting families who have come from uh

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south part of the county like maybe
Orangeville area, we we could bring up

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10 students. Again, very helpful in
addressing concerns raised by the MTO.

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So that was just one little thought. I
just thought, "Oh, that's new

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information." And I forget just the
schedule of all the information going

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through. Um I don't know if there's more
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» Yeah. No, I don't think there's too much
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comprehensive. Um you're asking for a
private school designation be added to

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C3 that already has a commercial school.
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questions from council.
>> Hi, welcome. Um, thanks Steve for his

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presentation. You had mentioned
preschool and after school programs and

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partnering streams. Um,
are you considering also at some point

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in time daycare in the future? This is
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strictly we
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» but yeah are a whole new
>> they're a whole different

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» different animal no I understand that's
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» and I mean you know like um I mean
streams has an excellent reputation as

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well for their programs are you
partnering with streams in terms of

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content or is it is it going to be two
separate entities technically within

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the building Great question. So, yeah,
the fun for Mark and I this summer has

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been to just see the alignment with
Andrew and Julie, right in programming,

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but actually our values align. So, they
have five values. We have three and

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three of them are the same.
>> So, that's exciting. And um our learning

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model for by design learning center if
you were curious and I think it might be

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in the report we [clears throat] have a
a partnership also with M's academy

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which is based out of Alberta and they
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our desire is that kids are engaged in
learning. A lot of kids go to school and

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by grade one or two like I have to go to
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four, they were really excited about
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breaks my heart as a mom. So, so
profound learning is bit more hands-on

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and smaller class sizes are a part of
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with the streams which is, you know,
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hands-on and the arts and um yeah, being
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» Retired teacher.
>> Oh, good. Good. You know,

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» I get it. That's why. Okay. Um, okay.
Thanks. I just curious what if there

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were two separate handh or if it was
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the two. Yeah, we will on our program
and which you know kind of starts at 9

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and goes to 3:15 but we will overlap
like Andrew and Julian we've already

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talked about shared programming on
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of their staff helping us at times and
we have very artistic staff as well so

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they'll visit the streets. Yeah.
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» Um yes. So for me, um I think it's a
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mentioned because I was obviously going
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concerns brought forward with regards to
the condition of the building. Um so I

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am happy that you're going to be
engaging county in order to have um you

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know inspections and whatnot and make
sure that we pass. We don't want mold.

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We don't you know we want a functioning
proper elevator things of that nature.

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that was going to be one of my questions

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like what are you doing to to do that?
So, I'm glad that that's um being held.

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Um so, no playground outside or a gym.
What What would you I mean, I understand

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that art is great and we don't want to
force, you know, sports on kids or

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anything, but we know a four-year-old
has a lot of energy, right? So, I'm just

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worried that, you know, recess and
things like that should happen.

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Obviously, we want outdoor time, right?
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a a bit of a playground eventually or is
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you know, something to just let them
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» Absolutely. Kids have energy and I I
wasn't aware that there's like no kids

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inside. We will have this fenced in area
and we might do staggered recess. I

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actually stayed in your or the noise
like that was all new to me. I I had

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never heard of that before so I
apologize but um like we are a small

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school right now we have maybe 35
students numbers change a lot this time

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of year um we hope to grow but we'll
never like it'll be around 80 students

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um that's what we see as a good fit for
the building the space so we we in the

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site plan that Steve put up it shows
fencing and the fencing we have a a

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dream of this really nice looking
composite and seat around the perimeter.

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I don't want balls going into the
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drive-thru lane and that I think that
would be a terrible shock to the guy at

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Taco Bell. So
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the um the garage behind us and I I'll
be the one or going to get all the balls

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and so that could get exhausting. So I
that's a consideration and maybe we put

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a net. I know 7 ft is the height of a
fence for Shelurn right now. Um so

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that's the perimeter, but then across
the parking lot you'll see we have

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fencing and the green space directly
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um like artificial turf.
>> It's just destroyed grass and mud

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becomes a real issue. Um but it looks
nice. We want this to look great.

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» Yeah, it's a private school. They both
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deliver,
>> but the fencing would be sort of in your

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mind if you picture like black picket
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» not with the spikes because that's
dangerous, but a nice top, but the gates

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would open. So, a vehicle could still
drive around without any trouble. So, in

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the enclosed fence area, we've been
looking at products to have um courts.

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There's no need for a playground
structure when there's two beautiful

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parks very close by. Fiddle park and and
green wood park. Um but we would have,

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you know, four square they hit
basketball nets. Yep.

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» Um again, we're not big. So yeah, and
basement would be it's a perfect area

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for energy kids on rainy days. And even
um with the streams, they do a lot of

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productions. I think they they did know
not too long ago Judy Judy Jones and

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they need um places to do choreography
and dance and so it's an open basement

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but um to facilitate um groups to be
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plan.
>> Perfect. Okay. Yeah, because that was

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just my only concern. I was kind of like
I was like all teaching is inside and

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I'm like oh my gosh is this a prison?
Like what is going on here? Right. So

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I'm actually glad to hear that there
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it, unless I'm wrong, Steve, with the,
you know, relation or or whatnot to

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sound. I think it was more that maybe
the memorial was worried that they would

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be too loud for the pool.
>> That's right.

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» Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. So,
not that the kids are going to be Yeah,

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cuz you were kind of like, "Oh, no, no,
it's not that the kids are going to be

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too loud. It's that they would be too
loud for the learning happening in the

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school." So, um, which I I think. So um
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that
>> from prior noise studies that there was

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any perceptible noise from their
operations of the group 5.

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» I drive by there. I never care. So I
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and I mean a couple of kids laughing.
That's a good sound. So

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» I think waste that area may be the
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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. For sure. Um, so is it the

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intention to share space with screens
eventually?

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» Yeah, like it's a perfect fit because
our programming I guess I said 9. Yeah,

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we're there at 8:30
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the streams um could offer before school
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they they go in a little bit later. But
it's a great fit because they also run

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like a camp at March break for summer
camps and I we don't have use of the

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building then, right? So we've had a lot
of negotiations with them but just about

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is it best to give you this half of the
door like that's all yours and this is

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ours but actually we've come to see no
we want to share. We'll have a couple

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locked up closets but actually we do
similar activities and um we're pretty

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excited. I actually could have pictured
one perfect I didn't know people like

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them existed. I'm so excited. [laughter]
We're lucky to have Yeah. Like the and

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their heart for the community. So they
had a dream of maybe starting a school

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because they saw a need and we're not
against public schools. Mark got his

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foot in the door in the public education
but just options are good for families

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and so we the gift is they don't have to
start school. will come alongside and

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they assist us because we've been asked
to do day camps and I don't want to do

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day camps. So, it's a good
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Any other questions for council?
Any questions from the public who aren't

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in the room
that can hear?

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No. No. Okay. All right. Well, um, yeah,
I to your point, I think for a growing

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community and providing more options for
families to consider is always good

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thing. So, I'm certainly very supportive
of this and also do

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anybody want to go ahead and make motion
by council. by circardy.

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All right. So the motion will read, "Be
it resolved the council receive report

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P2026-11
as information and that bylaw 31-2026

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being a bylaw to amend zoning bylaw
38207

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is amended by reszoning the lands known
municipally as 712 Main Street East as

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described legally as part one concession
to old survey subject to right away

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[clears throat] parts one to four on
reference plan 7R51

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town of Shelurn County Duff from service
commercial C3 zone to service commercial

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uh exception which will now be C3-2 zone
as shown on schedule A1 to the bylaw to

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be read a first second and third time
and finally passed any final discussion

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all in favor

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congratulations so good good luck with
the process I know there's still some

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other hurdles to overcome but
>> we'll have an opening

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» [laughter]
>> to it.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you for shower.

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They're

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a good

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Okay. So, so the next uh item on the
agenda is public question period. Uh,

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are there any questions from anybody?

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No, nothing was submitted. Okay,
texting. Okay, so we can roll right into

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our presentation then. So happy to uh
introduce Janon Grady who's the CEO of

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our
library

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and I think you brought some support
with you which is good. So anyways uh

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welcome to the hot seat such as it is. I
I pro I promise Shannon it's a friendly

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friendly audience.
Um yeah let Alice give your presentation

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up there and I'll turn it over to you.
I'll get that loaded for us. I Milford.

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I'm the CEO of the Shel Public Library.
So, I've been in the role for about 10

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months now, but I'm still going to be
with you for a little while longer.

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» Stretch it out as long as you can.
>> Yeah. And it's been a pleasure getting

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to know the residents and town staff as
we begin to work closely together to

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serve the community. So today my goals
are to highlight the breadth of library

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services, share the economic benefit of
our services and the social return on

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investment and then present a glimp of
our goals for the future. I'm going to

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start by showing a video demonstrate the
impact of authoriz.

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We're at the library every week, every
single week. Whether it's school time or

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during summer, [music]
>> you meet so many interesting people,

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every demographic, families, the moms
with the babies on the hips. You know,

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there's videos, programs, there's books.
>> You can use the computers here for

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whatever you need. There's also [music]
passes that let you go to places like

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the ROM and Island Lake. The [music]
staff that work here, they're kind,

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helpful.
>> They really do take the time to invest

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[music]
in individuals. They always found a way

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to personalize my experience, my
children's experience.

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» They're amazing.
>> The Shelurn [music] Public Library is a

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place where possibilities begin. It's a
place where a child's curiosity becomes

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a lifelong love of learning, where ideas
become innovations, where neighbors

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[music] become friends, where everyone
is welcome and everyone belongs. We like

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to say that books are just the beginning
of all we offer. [music] From internet

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access, work and study space, passes to
places like museums and parks, programs

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and events for all ages, the Shelurn
Public Library is a place of discovery,

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[music] creativity, opportunity, and
connection.

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» Combating isolation as you get older, I
think, is huge. And a program like this

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[music] reaches out to the community.
And I see the library as reaching out to

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all aspects of community. get crafty
program. We have it on Tuesday

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afternoons from 1 till 3:30. It's very
social. We encourage people to come even

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if they're not going to craft. Get out
of the house and, you know, come and

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enjoy. Some programs that I have [music]
attended at the Shelurn Public Library

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are junior librarians,
Lego club, book club, bingo, and the

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teen advisory board that they host. It's
fun. I get to interact with other kids

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my age and I get to help my public
library. [music]

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» Our impact reaches far beyond our walls.
Every investment in the library delivers

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lasting returns, [music] a more informed
community, a stronger local economy,

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more equitable access to opportunity,
[music]

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healthier and more connected residents
and a higher quality of life for all.

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I approached the library in regards to
setting up a literacy program and they

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welcomed my idea with open arms and we
were able to work with families in the

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Shelurn area who needed support. And now
that I work with seniors in the

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community, I really advocate for not
only the library um for them to come

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into the library but for what the
library can do for them. [music] The

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services that are available here.
Programs in the library during the

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summer club, they're are completely
free. They have all the materials that

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they need here to do whatever crafting
or whatever activity and everything is

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provided by the library.
>> To me, [music] the best kept secret of

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the library is it's free. I mean, other
than if you're going to use the service

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like faxing or something like that, it's
your tax dollar of work for [music] you.

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It's super easy to make friends here.
Everybody's kind, respectful, and easy

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to talk to. I have learned better
cooperation, better teamwork, and better

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leadership. I've just become a better
person in general by coming to the clubs

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here. the friendly faces, welcoming
smiles.

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» It's more like a family and that is
[music] a beautiful feeling.

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» The Shelurn Public Library isn't just a
place to visit. It's an investment in

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our shared future. [music]

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Hey, [laughter]
>> for some context for the video, I

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reached out to community members and
patrons of ours to see if they'd be

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willing to go on camera and just share a
little bit about the impact that the

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library has on them. And the
videographers advised that I do not give

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them interview questions in advance
because it makes them nervous and then

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they'll talk to a script and it won't be
as candid. So, they did all of that

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candidly. I wasn't in the room for their
conversation. So, everything they said

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was a surprise to me when I got to see
the the first round of the video. So

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pretty special to to hear that stories.
Very cool. Next slide.

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So I was hoping in the video to show you
that Shelurn Public Library is the place

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where possibilities begin and a core
part of our service is programming for

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all ages.

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Uh so in order to enhance our program
delivery beyond our staff capacity, a

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big part of what we do in libraries and
shelter public library is to develop

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strategic partnerships with residents,
businesses, governments, and community-

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based organizations. Whether it's
providing these partners with states to

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deliver programs that are mutually
beneficial to both of our strategic plan

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or working together to achieve our
shared goals. So this year, due to a

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slight restructuring of our team and
some new community partnerships that we

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were able to develop, we increased
[clears throat] our program offerings by

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42%. And this is just January to June.
So comparison comparing this that time

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period to last year's
um and as a result we saw 70% increase

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in attendance. So already this year
we've had over 3,800 people attend 183

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programs. And all of these programs are
free. You don't need a library card to

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attend.
July was a record-breaking month for us.

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So, not captured here, but we hosted 64
events and had over a thousand people

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attend. So, in addition to our programs
that we host in the library, we also

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host dozens of class visits. So, we have
relationships with all of the local

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elementary schools and they all come
regularly for visits to the library. We

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also attend school and community events.
So, we were at the Grand Open Park. We

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were at the BIA's car show. And these
are events we consider outreach. So when

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you see program and outreach numbers
that's capturing all of the programs

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engagement.

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Um and this is just a quick glimpse of
some of the new community partners that

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we established this year. This isn't an
exhaustive list but already these

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members are reaching out to the library
to see how we can work together. Um and

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I wanted to touch on some of our
sponsors. So when I entered into the

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library our budget was already finalized
for 2026.

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Um, but we needed we saw a gap in
programming for teens, especially in the

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community. So, we needed to rely on
sponsors to help do that for us. So, we

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reached out uh to Danny Bracket Auto
Group who generously offered to sponsor

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all of our teen programs and we were
able to offer a weekly program all

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summer long with the teens. Uh, we also
offer a teen advisory board where teens

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earn their community service hours for
volunteering with us. But we know that

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to get teens into the library, you need
to provide food. So pizza pizza

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sponsored us and now we have pizza at
all of those meetings and our group is

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growing and the goal.

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So we couldn't achieve our current
service levels without our dedicated

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volunteers from delivering books to
seniors to hosting weekly programs for

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adults to helping to maintain our
collection. We have 12 dedicated

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volunteers who between January to June
have already volunteered 276 hours of

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their time and that's an average of 11
hours a week to rely quite a bit on our

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volunteers.
And of course the more people that we

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bring into the building uh the more for
our programming through our engagement

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program the more library cards that we
have to sign up for. So just a note in

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this chart here, while we are on a
fantastic trajectory of card holders, it

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doesn't depict our total patron
engagement because a card is only

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required to borrow material. So in that
video, all of the programs and the

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computers and use of our space, the
printing, the faxing, all of that does

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not require a library card. So those
numbers aren't captured here.

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Uh we have on average 100 visits to the
library a day. And in July, we had over

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5,000 visits to the library averaging
100 day.

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Um, this shows the new members that
we've had between January to June of

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this year. So, 203 new members and just
shows it across the geographic area. So,

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Shel's winning the rates right now for
new members. That's an average of one

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new member every day. And just another
clarifying note that these are firsttime

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card holders. So if Mayor Mills for
example came to the library and just and

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he wanted to borrow a wrong pass but
discovered that his card was expired and

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he renewed that card that's not captured
here completely new.

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So Shan has 139 new members since
January which is an average of 16

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patrons every month. September is get a
library card month I've been told by the

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team and we're going to challenge our
mayor to have a challenge across the

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municipality to see who can get more
memberships through the different I like

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these numbers.
[laughter]

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» You like winning the race.
>> I'll I'll issue that challenge.

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» So, you might be wondering what a
library card gets you access to. And as

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I said in the video, books are just the
beginning of all we offer. And so, I'll

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just touch on a few things that they
were in the video, but we offer passes

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to cultural, historical, and natural
sites. So, if you have a library card,

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you come into library and you ask for a
pass to go to the wrong and you can take

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your family there for free for the day.
Same with Ontario parks and you get that

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pass for seven days and it's a day pass.
So at the parks it's a vehicle that you

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get granted access for free. So
libraries are finding new and creative

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ways to be able to create access to
other.

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We also expand access with our kio and
food land which will in 2024. So since

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our hours of operation are limited, this
was a creative way to increase access to

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our collection because Freland is open
seven days a week, much more than we

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are, and our staff visit the kiosk
regularly to update collection. And in

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July, we had a record number of 90
checkouts at kiosk. So even though it

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was put in in 2024, it seems people are
still just discovering it.

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Another way we expand our access is with
our digital library, which we like to

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say is always open. So, your library
card you can use and never step foot in

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00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:38,400
the library and access thousands of
ebooks, audiobooks, which are great if

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you're a commuter, mu movies, music, TV
shows, and even newspapers in all

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different languages from all around the
world. So, if you'd like to subscribe to

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the Toronto Star or the Glow Down, you
get those quickly library card

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right to your device all from home.
So, public libraries are critical

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cultural and social infrastructure. They
are integral for building personal

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entrepreneurial and social capacity
through the access that we provide to

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programs, information, and opportunities
for to meet and connect with their

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community. Our physical location serves
as a gathering place for people of all

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ages to engage in lifelong learning
through access to local and global

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resources. And libraries provide a level
playing field by providing that

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equitable access to resources and
encouraging interactions from all social

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groups. As the Ontario Library Service
says, where other spaces force us into

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divine roles, consumer, client,
employee, or student, public libraries

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are a space where unqualified humanity,
where nothing is expected of us other

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than our respect from one another. And
in serving this holistic role, public

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libraries are cornerstone of a strong
community.

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Sounds great, right? But as a head
librarian, I'm of course a little biased

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00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:54,240
at all the great things that we offer at
the library. So, how have I proved to

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you, our stakeholders, and to our
residents, the impact that we have on

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our communities and on our residents
whose tax dollars directly fund our

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little library? How do we value an
inherently intangible human-based

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service? Well, we found a way.
Librarians are good at that.

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So the Ontario Library Service in
partnership with the Nordic Institute at

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Alma University worked with CEOs, First
Nation groups, and French seeking

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communities to design the Valley Ontario
Libraries toolkit, which is also known

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as Bolt. And this is a step-by-step
guide that helps public libraries

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demonstrate their community impact and
measure quality how we are services. The

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kit uses data that libraries already
collect. So every year we're required by

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the ministry to report statistics across
all service levels. So data like our

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00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:46,480
visitor counts, our circulation, our
program attendance, and it calculates

624
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:50,559
how much economic value gives back to
its community for every dollar they

625
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:54,160
receives. So it takes our free services
and turns them into a dollar amount

626
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:58,720
using the private markets, same price
for that service. The toolkit then

627
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,800
calculates an economic value across
seven domains which I haded on a

628
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,800
previous slide which are education,
culture, inclusion and well-being,

629
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:11,280
entertainment and leisure, economic
development, civic engagement and faith

630
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:14,960
culminating in a social return on
investment. So I'm going to take you

631
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:20,559
through Shelurn's breakdown of the data
that we received. So based on our 2025

632
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:25,359
data, Shelurn Public Library provided an
economic benefit of 2.8 8 million for

633
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:29,119
the people of Shelurn and our neighbor
principalities and you can see that

634
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:34,800
number there spread across the seven
domain which is a little I'm seeing from

635
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:40,559
here but hopefully clear for you. So for
context or comparables Calin public

636
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:46,400
liies economic benefit for 2025 was 28
million and Orangeville Library they

637
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:50,400
last did this um toolkit in 2024 and
their economic benefit was over 9

638
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:55,280
million. So libraries are having a
significant economic benefit on their

639
00:51:52,240 --> 00:52:00,000
community. So from this a a social
return on investment or an SOI is

640
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:05,359
calculated and that's by taking the
economic benefit so the 2.8 million and

641
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:09,440
divided by our municipal funding. So
just the funding provided by Shelurn not

642
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:13,520
the fund provided by our contract
municipalities.

643
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:19,760
So, for every dollar invested in the
Shelurn Public Library in 2025, $12 must

644
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:24,480
be invested back to
fantastic number. Uh, we should all be

645
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:30,240
jumping up and down with joy, but it's
actually bittersweet and not as

646
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:34,000
realistic as I might hope. So, in fact,
when I we were calculating and we

647
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:37,920
received the results of our toolkit, I
actually assumed that we made an error

648
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:42,319
and reached out to the Ontario Library
Service Consultants to review our data

649
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:46,559
to make sure that we were in fact having
an economic return of $12 knowing that

650
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:50,880
the industry standard and libraries
aren't um we say not to compare them

651
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:56,160
because every community is so different,
but the industry standard is usually

652
00:52:52,319 --> 00:53:00,559
between a four and $7 return on on
investment, which is still incredible. I

653
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:04,720
was going to be excited by two. Uh so
what we discovered in reviewing the data

654
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:08,960
that the reason our social return on
investment is so high is because we are

655
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:12,880
doing so much with so little because we
of that impact and we divide it by the

656
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:17,920
multiple funding. And I can tell you
that having run the library now for just

657
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:21,920
over 10 months I have the most dedicated
team. I have to stop them from working

658
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:26,160
for free. But the level of service that
our small team is providing just isn't

659
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:31,359
sustainable in the long term, especially
as demand for our service continues to

660
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:34,720
grow. So before I wrap up, I'm just
going to dig into a bit more data to

661
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,720
illustrate how public landings are
funded.

662
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:44,000
So I'll just share a note that this is
2024 data because the ministry hasn't

663
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:48,160
yet released the 2025 data that's due to
come out in the next couple of weeks. Um

664
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,839
but just a reminder that libraries are
governed by the public libraries act and

665
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:57,599
this is our key piece of provincial
legislation that establishes free public

666
00:53:54,559 --> 00:54:01,839
library service across Ontario and as a
result every library in Ontario receives

667
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:08,000
PLOG which is short for the provincial
library operating grant and not only has

668
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:11,760
that funding not increased since 1998
which puts immense pressure on

669
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:17,040
municipalities to put the funding for
libraries but as this graph shows in in

670
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:21,040
2024 Shelvin received the lowest funds
when compared to library serving

671
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:26,240
populations of the same size and the
reason for that is because the funding

672
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:30,880
formula was based on total households in
1998 and we know that Shelurn has

673
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:36,000
undergone extensive growth in the fast
growing community in Canada and Ontario.

674
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:40,319
Um so we haven't funding has not
reflected that that growth.

675
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,280
And then just to take us into the
municipal funding as a comparison in

676
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:49,680
2024 when we looked at nine other
libraries that serve populations of our

677
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:53,839
size, Shelurn was on the lower end. Um,
and this I just want to clarify is not

678
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,839
because council has denied requests for
increased funding. Council has in fact

679
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,359
not been asked for increased funding to
keep up with the growing demands of the

680
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:04,800
library. So that is something that I'm
going to be bringing forward to the

681
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:08,480
budget as we review the budget at the
end of September to ensure that our

682
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:16,520
current budget meets the needs of the
community right now because we are

683
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:16,520
falling behind that move forward.

684
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:22,880
And for the last one, I know you'll be
launching new strategic priorities for

685
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:26,800
the upcoming term, but I wanted to
highlight that there isn't a service or

686
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:31,359
program that we offer that doesn't align
or reflect with at least one of

687
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:34,800
council's priorities. Our library is
communityled. It's through consultation

688
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:38,480
that we determine what programs and
services to offer. It's through these

689
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:42,240
effective partnerships that we develop
with residents, local businesses, and

690
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:47,200
organizations that we can enhance our
offerings beyond our staff capacity. The

691
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:51,200
principles of diversity, equity, and
inclusion really are the foundation of

692
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:54,559
everything libraries do. Um, from how we
design our space to the books on our

693
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:58,960
shelves to the welcome inclusive
program. And as I have demonstrated, our

694
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:03,680
library generates significant social
return on investment. Every dollar

695
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,760
invested produces value through improved
literacy, stronger educational outcomes,

696
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:12,319
workforce development, digital
inclusion, access to reliable

697
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,720
information, and support for learning.
But beyond our measurable financial

698
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:20,559
impact, our library helps strengthen the
social fabric of our community. We are a

699
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:26,400
trusted, welcoming space where people
from all backgrounds together, learn,

700
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:30,640
create that.
So my only ask is that when presented

701
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,880
with our budget for 2027 to please
consider how investing in the library

702
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:39,599
not only align with council priorities,
but is an investment in our shared.

703
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:43,280
you.
>> Thank you.

704
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:49,280
Um,
yeah, I mean, pretty remarkable when you

705
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:54,480
look at what a library of our size is
able to accomplish. So, kudos to you and

706
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,960
team in the room tonight as well as
those who are here.

707
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,200
And I mean ju just looking at that one
number alone increasing or the increase

708
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:10,960
rather than the program
>> in one year I think it's pretty shocking

709
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:15,119
in positive way. Um so congratulations.
Um you're right. I mean the the library

710
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:19,599
and and I don't think this can be said
in every community unfortunately but I

711
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:26,880
think certainly here the library
is kind of that social cultural sit

712
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:32,880
in so many ways.
The the two slides that I find the most

713
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:38,000
troubling are these. And full disclosure
Shan and I had a bit of a chat a couple

714
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:45,760
of weeks ago. So, I I did get a bit of a
a preview um as to what [clears throat]

715
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:50,799
some of the asks might be. Um obviously
the the municipal funding that that's an

716
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:55,920
easier one for for council to tackle
because it's very much within our

717
00:57:52,640 --> 00:58:00,799
control. Um it'll be the next council
that is considering your request. Um I

718
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:05,680
am glad that you pointed out though I
mean certainly in my 12 years around

719
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:11,680
this table um I think council has always
funded what's been requested. Um but

720
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:16,559
based on these numbers I guess there
shouldn't be a surprise for the next

721
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:21,119
incoming council that that request may
be

722
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:26,640
on the provincial side though uh I I I
still think council has a role to play

723
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:31,680
uh when it comes to advocating
ministry I've mentioned to Shannon one

724
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:39,520
of the the first things I think that we
can look at is delegation confidence

725
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:44,160
we're not obvious obviously, but if the
funding formula hasn't been adjusted

726
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:49,440
since 1998, a community that's grown as
fast as ours is impacted much more

727
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:54,319
greatly than others that haven't. So, I
I think obviously that the minister

728
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:59,920
needs to be made aware of that and uh
encouraged to adjust that and update the

729
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:03,680
formula according [snorts]
anyways

730
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:06,559
happy to continue to work work with you
towards that.

731
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:14,559
Other questions or comments?
>> Just wanted to say I mean echoing what

732
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:18,720
they said and having worked with you and
your staff over the even the weekend's

733
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:25,119
event uh you do so much with so little
and anybody that says uh you're not

734
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:32,000
doing a good job is uh sadly mistaken
and probably owed apology. Uh but no,

735
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:38,640
» keep doing what you're doing and
don't have our support.

736
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:43,119
But one question I would have because
you know anytime there's an increase for

737
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:50,520
funding at municipal level I I think you
know rightly people ask okay what do

738
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,520
they learn on that? So I I think

739
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:57,040
one of the arguments could be made look
you know you're you're accomplishing so

740
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:00,040
much as it is do you need more money
like

741
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:06,640
that
right so you know in some ways your your

742
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:10,720
success can also you know in in some
ways become become your enemy but you

743
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:13,200
know if if you were to receive more
funding

744
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:18,960
could you put that [clears throat] to
use? Yeah. So, my my top priority is to

745
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:22,799
increase our staff level. So, I would be
requesting for one full-time staff.

746
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:26,799
Right now, we only have two full-time
staff that includes me. And until I

747
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:34,000
started, there was only one full-time
staff. So, to say that we have an

748
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:38,000
administrative backlog would be underst
service administratively in terms of

749
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:41,040
policy, legislation
requirements, and all of that, we are

750
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:44,319
still get behind and that's where
there's a gap. and also within our

751
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,720
collection development. So it's that
backend administrative work that really

752
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:52,640
are seeing where the need to get cut off
where the gaps are. So that's a priority

753
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:58,799
and then the second priority is our
collection. So the cost of e- resources

754
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:04,000
has increased substantially. So and it's
increased by 43% that not sorry the

755
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:08,480
demand for e- resources. So all of the
books and audio books, music, TV shows

756
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:14,400
that you can access has increased by
43%. But the cost has increased by 93%.

757
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:19,760
2022.
So in 2022, we spent 15,000 just under

758
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:25,599
on our collections for e- resources. And
in 2025, we spent just under 30,000. We

759
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:29,920
doubled. Um, and this is an issue with
publishers not allowing libraries to

760
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:34,160
have the same level of access to ebooks
and digital resources the way the public

761
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:38,960
does. So, for example, you can purchase
an ebook for just say $15 where the

762
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:42,480
buyers will pay $60 for that ebook and
we won't own it. You'll own it. We won't

763
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:47,280
own it. They'll only give it to us for
two years. So, maybe 12 people know it

764
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:51,200
during that time. So, that's where the
barrier is when it comes to our

765
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:55,599
collection. So, it really is happening
at that level. And libraries um at the

766
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:59,520
provincial level are undergoing major
advocacy around this, but libraries are

767
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:03,920
having to reduce access to digital
resources as a result. But that's how we

768
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:07,839
stay relevant. The community wants
digital resources. We are seeing a

769
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,720
demand for that more than our physical
faults. So to meet the needs of the

770
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:18,280
communities, we have to provide the
service, but it's just not sustainable.

771
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:18,280
But my first priority certainly is that

772
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:25,760
I
[laughter]

773
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:29,040
know what they work with. And that's I
mean that's the thing too, right?

774
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:36,240
Volunteers are amazing, but there's only
so much you can continuously ask of your

775
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:40,400
volunteers, right? And it it is we we I
mean, just think about it, folks. Like,

776
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:47,280
where do you go where there's two
full-time staff, you know, in in a

777
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:54,079
publicly, you know, funded and and
utilized space like it's

778
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:56,400
» retirements. Yeah.
>> So,

779
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:00,319
» quite a bit.
that change and yeah

780
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:04,559
» and and as you mentioned with the e-
resources right it it's it's hard

781
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:08,319
because people are expecting to have
that ability and if we have to reduce

782
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:12,960
that ability then they start getting
angry what are my taxes paying for right

783
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:16,720
why are we putting $200,000 into the
library and yet I've been told now I

784
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:22,559
have to have a reduction in how many
books that I can take out so it's it's

785
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:26,799
hard because it's a vicious circle right
you need the money to keep the you know

786
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:31,280
ebooks going and and collections going,
but then people need to make sure that,

787
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:34,160
you know, they can have that and if they
can't have it, then they don't want to

788
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:39,440
give the money. And so it's like, no, we
need the money. So, I know it's it's

789
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:45,599
amazing what you're doing with what
you're allotted. And I feel that we we

790
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:50,160
need to address that so that it can
operate at, you know, full capacity. and

791
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:53,520
and you know there's other programs and
things like that that potentially we

792
01:03:51,520 --> 01:04:00,319
could be doing that we aren't because we
just don't have the funds for it or the

793
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:04,960
staff for it or you know so yeah we're
growing and we need to grow our growth.

794
01:04:03,584 --> 01:04:12,160
[snorts]
>> The business model for publishing is to

795
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:15,599
sell books and and your library business
model flies in the face class. So of

796
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,720
course they're going to charge you a
premium for

797
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:26,160
you know, they're items that uh for
borrowing as opposed to they don't make

798
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:31,599
as much money off you. You're loaning
book for free as somebody is actually

799
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:37,039
purchasing these books. So, I get that.
But it puts you in a

800
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:40,039
precarious situation in terms of cost
versus

801
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,760
good, you know.
>> Yeah. I will I will just share that one

802
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:49,359
thing libraries are trying to show the
publishing industry is that if we can

803
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:52,640
make people fall in love with reading,
we're actually increasing their farm

804
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:58,520
debt. You give them a book, we let them
try it for free and they love it, then

805
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,520
they don't want to wait for it again

806
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,799
on their own.
>> Yeah. But they still very much have the

807
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:06,079
mindset that it's competition.
>> Yeah.

808
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:09,920
» So,
uh Deputy Mayor and I have a county

809
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:15,119
council meeting Thursday morning. So I
think uh to us was more than happy to

810
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:19,760
issue that challenge to to the other
mayor's deputies.

811
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:25,359
» U yeah and and just one one final
comment in full disclosure Shannon sort

812
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:29,280
of offered a cute anecdote about a mayor
potentially finding out that his library

813
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:32,680
card had expired. There might be some
truth to that.

814
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:44,319
» Currently the member again in good stand
I I don't have a card yet. Well, there

815
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:49,599
you go. We'll wait until that challenge.
>> Mine, too. So,

816
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:54,799
» thank you very much. Um, yeah, look
forward to hearing more good news.

817
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:58,559
» Good. And if I may, I just realized I
didn't share this, but we have worked

818
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:03,520
closely with town staff to develop the
for the facilities. And I want to share

819
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:10,760
how many efficiencies we found that. But
if the more we do work with town staff

820
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,760
or that partnership, those agreements.

821
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:18,640
» Good stuff.
>> Excellent. Thank you. Thank you all. Can

822
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:24,640
I have a motion to receive presentation
by councelor Gashardi, seconded by

823
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:30,559
councelor Wagner. in favor.
>> All right. Thanks again, guys.

824
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:35,440
Next up, we have a proclamation uh for
Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. Uh and

825
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:41,520
there will be a flag raising on Tuesday,
September the 1st at 1:30 p.m. across

826
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:45,520
the street here at Jack Downing Park.
Proclamation reads as follows. And bear

827
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:49,359
with me, it's kind of a long one.
Whereas approximately 10,000 children

828
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are living with cancer in Canada today.
Each year about 1500 cases are

829
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:57,920
diagnosed. Because of significant
advances in therapy, 82% of these

830
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:02,319
children will survive five years or
more. Childhood cancer remains

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01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:06,480
responsible for more deaths in one year
through adolescence than any other

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01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:09,760
disease. And whereas families facing the
journey of childhood cancer need the

833
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:14,240
best possible medical, financial, and
emotional support we can provide. Every

834
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:18,880
family touched by childhood cancer needs
support, needs to be supported, assuming

835
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,400
of its relatives, neighbors, teachers,
and community. Parents need to

836
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:26,079
understand
and be compassionate from and receive

837
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:29,280
compassion from their employers.
Brothers and sisters need special

838
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:33,760
consideration both at home and in
school. Young cancer patients themselves

839
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:37,599
need every opportunity to express and
pursue the dreams that are the hallmark

840
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:42,000
of childhood and the hope that cancer
can be beaten. Whereas this month we

841
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:46,000
recognize the dedication and hard work
of all those scientists, health care

842
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:49,839
professionals, parent organizations and
volunteers who are working to overcome

843
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:53,920
childhood cancer and assist these
families. We admire and support the

844
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:58,319
courageous youth and their parents who
struggle with this disease. And whereas

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01:07:56,319 --> 01:08:02,559
we applaud and commend the dedicated
volunteers at Candlelight Central

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01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:07,359
parents children with cancer for the
work they do for families children

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01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:13,280
cancer in our region. Now therefore, I,
Mayor Wade Mills, on behalf of council,

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01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:19,120
do hereby proclaim September 2026 as
childhood cancer awareness month.

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01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:28,080
So if you're available, please join us
on Tuesday, September 1st at 1:30 for

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01:08:24,799 --> 01:08:31,600
council inquiries.
>> Council Wagner.

851
01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:36,960
» Um, okay. So I'll kind of go with my
quicker, easier one first. Um Jim, I was

852
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:42,159
just wondering if you have any updates
on the lane closure that is on Main

853
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:46,400
Street over by 124. It kind of appears
to me like they are done. Um but the

854
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:52,199
pylons are still up and it's sort of
impeding traffic still. So I'm just

855
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:52,199
wondering when they will be done.

856
01:08:54,159 --> 01:09:01,520
» It's true. It's true. But
>> uh tree worship we do have regular sight

857
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:06,719
meetings. Our last one was in late July
over there. uh Tuesday on Wednesday they

858
01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:10,880
were going to do paving which they did
do. Thursday was to be the line marking

859
01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:15,520
on the street and then opening for that
weekend. So they're a few weeks behind.

860
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:19,279
Uh I did inquire with the uh engineer in
charge of the project. Unfortunately I

861
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:25,640
haven't heard that yet.
>> It is in MTO's controller. So be

862
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,640
something

863
01:09:25,679 --> 01:09:34,080
» right. So I'm just like okay
>> yeah I'm like it's time to go. So, okay,

864
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:38,719
we'll just, I guess, keep our ears open
for any updates or whatnot to see when

865
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:44,239
those will be down. Um, so my my second
one is is a little more um tricky uh

866
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:48,400
just because um with the community
concerns lately on Facebook, um they're

867
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:55,040
definitely becoming louder and more
frequent with regards to uh breakins and

868
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:59,520
um you know, suspected drugous and
things of that nature. So, um I think

869
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:06,719
part of the problem is is maybe the
community doesn't understand council's

870
01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:10,320
limitations within policing. Um you
know, I'm seeing a lot of chatter where

871
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:15,520
we're not doing anything. Um we're
deferring, we just don't care. Um so I

872
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:23,360
guess I don't know if maybe we can speak
to sort of what limitations council has

873
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:28,000
with regards to policing um and
requesting certain things. Um, secondary

874
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:34,239
to that would be what the procedure
would be or if we can create some form

875
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:38,800
of a town hall where we can get um, OP
to come and answer some questions or

876
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:44,880
even just come and speak with to council
just to give us some something um, with

877
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:51,440
regards to, you know, what they're doing
to find solutions to stop this. It it it

878
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:55,920
just seems to be continuing to increase
it. I'm sure they're doing obviously

879
01:10:54,480 --> 01:11:00,960
stuff behind the scenes that we don't
necessarily know or they can't even tell

880
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:04,480
us because obviously as we know there
are certain procedures and protocols

881
01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:08,960
that they have to follow in order to
make any kind of conviction stick right

882
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:15,600
so they're not going to be able to give
us or the community specifics but I do

883
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:21,600
find or feel that there should be
something that they can offer us to help

884
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:26,480
the community understand that it is
still a priority and they are on it. Um

885
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:31,360
because right now it just really seems
like we're seeing an increase and you

886
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:35,280
know the community is getting
frustrated, right? Because they're just

887
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:39,920
thinking like why don't we have more
patrols? Why don't we have more people

888
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:44,560
you know in place to get these guys when
they know they're hitting specific areas

889
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:49,920
in our town on a regular basis at a
certain time. So just I mean you know

890
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:53,440
like I said if we can just kind of have
a little bit of oversight on that just

891
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:57,520
so anyone watching or anyone who will
watch can kind of have some more

892
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:01,520
information.
So thank you for the question. I'm going

893
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:09,040
to answer part two first. So with
respect to process, if Shaw Talto would

894
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:14,239
wish to make requests that the OP hold
the town hall, that would either be sent

895
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:19,600
directly to the detachment and or the
board. The board would actually then

896
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:25,120
have that consultation. I also would
suggest that the list of specific issues

897
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:29,199
that other than just Facebook
information that Shelurn would put

898
01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:34,000
together to say these are top 10 or
these are the kind of issues opposed to

899
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:40,239
Facebook that would be beneficial. Um
there were evidence of there were

900
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:45,360
examples of community hall town hall
meetings that I'm aware of in 2025 held

901
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:48,080
by reference.
whether or not they still do that

902
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:53,040
format. I know there has been some
adjustment coming out of Aurelia how

903
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:57,360
they're structured. Um in the absence of
that similar to when we went to do keep

904
01:12:55,199 --> 01:13:02,880
costing we could have the detachment
commander or representatives and to

905
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:07,679
address those with respect to the first
part in terms of what we what were

906
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:11,600
provided services that we received in
town of Shelurn and we staff to provide

907
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:16,159
a memo again. I know it's been a while.
Um there is a contract with you and it

908
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:20,480
outlines the kind of things that we
receive and what that contract entails

909
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:24,640
and what it doesn't. Um we also
supplement a lot of what some people

910
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:28,400
would say falls into the realm or think
of our bylaw, but they have

911
01:13:26,239 --> 01:13:32,480
restrictions. So if that's necessary, I
think that would be the OP can certainly

912
01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:37,760
address that, but maybe staff would be
in a better position to remind council

913
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:41,360
of the contract, how it's structured.
And I know that there's been questions

914
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:45,280
that I have responded to to members of
council and I'm going to address it here

915
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:49,280
just so it's out there. Um it's not a
simple we want another officer like we

916
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:55,440
want what was called an enhancement in
the past for XYZ. Um there are processes

917
01:13:53,679 --> 01:13:59,440
in terms of the budgetary structure that
they undertake to hire that person to

918
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:04,000
assign them to function and how they're
structured. So we went through a very

919
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:11,040
comprehensive review when we switched
from South Chicago Police Services to

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01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:17,440
the OPP. Our FTE or full-time equivalent
compliment stayed intact. So I know that

921
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:22,000
there's sometimes a presumption that
we're not getting the amount of service

922
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:27,280
or support and as you referenced there
is a lot going on that even staff are

923
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:33,120
not privy to. There's confidentiality.
So that contract is fairly succinct in

924
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:39,760
how many zap we get the allocation and I
would say it's fairly um robust overall

925
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:45,120
and it's worth about $1.7 million and I
know tonight there is something on the

926
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:51,840
budget. Um the ministry of finance is
the one that organizationally

927
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:56,640
instructs the contract. This is your
cost based on a two model. So we are now

928
01:14:54,000 --> 01:15:00,480
on the new model. Call for services is
the one component. The fixed component

929
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:04,640
based on your number of properties is
the base. So you get a base cost that

930
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:07,040
doesn't change. It's like your water
cost, right? I know people don't

931
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:11,360
understand it. Why don't I use any
water? Why am I getting a bill? Okay, we

932
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:15,440
get a bill for this and then what drives
the secondary component of that is the

933
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:18,960
amount of calls that you have. And those
two things merge and that is also

934
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:22,560
determined by their estimate of the
officers that are assigned to us. If

935
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:26,640
they don't do as many calls based on the
estimate then there's a credit. So I

936
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:30,400
hope that just the highle structure of
how you

937
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:36,239
» no I'll just add a couple additional
comments. So, so that the way that sort

938
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:42,880
of council's interaction with the OBP
govern works I mean kind of twofold but

939
01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:48,880
formally you're the police service board
the deputy mayor myself captainado sit

940
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:54,159
on the service board um the role of that
board not unlike the way a municipal

941
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:58,000
service board works is you know that
that board can provide some input when

942
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:04,560
it comes to sort of high level policy
sorts of things but definitely not any

943
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:07,280
direct operational input. So, you know,
at at a board meeting, you can't say,

944
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:10,880
"Look, you know, we know there's an
issue on such and such a street. We want

945
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:14,960
you to go and do something." That's not
the way this works.

946
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:21,520
» It's not the way it worked under Shel
Police Service either. Um, beyond that

947
01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:27,360
formal approach, uh, I mean, I have a
fairly direct line of communication with

948
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:30,719
the detachment commander. Our permanent
detachment commander has been seconded

949
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:35,360
to another position for a period of
time. So kept acting

950
01:16:33,679 --> 01:16:40,400
now
you know and those sorts of discussions

951
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:46,000
happen fairly regularly too. I had
coffee with

952
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:50,400
this a couple weeks ago. So there is
lots of conversation going on. concerns

953
01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:55,520
from community are being expressed, but
to a certain degree that that's where

954
01:16:53,040 --> 01:17:03,440
the whole council sort of stops and
where policing picks up. Um, in terms of

955
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:10,640
of the requests to have
members of the attend as as the CEO

956
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:14,560
said, um, I I think a full-fledged town
hall might be a heavier lift. I'm not

957
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:19,840
saying it's it's not possible, but I
think it may take longer. uh what we

958
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:24,239
might be able to accomplish in short
order is is to have

959
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:29,360
a delegation.
>> Okay.

960
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:32,719
» So acting uh inspector you know come and
we could provide him with sort of a list

961
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:36,320
of things want to talk about
>> right

962
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:40,800
» the seven of us around his table on the
has elected us can ask questions and get

963
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:43,800
answers. So that's something that I
think

964
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:50,560
» yeah that that would be great because I
I just I do I feel that you know I think

965
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:53,760
people are just frustrated right now
because they feel that they're just not

966
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:56,880
having any answers right and they're
just

967
01:17:54,640 --> 01:18:01,920
» in this limbo of you know breakins and
breakins and you know it doesn't seem

968
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:06,880
like anything is happening and there it
is but it's just their perception right

969
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:10,880
and so it's like and the only way to
change that perception is to show them

970
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:16,360
that you know something is happening and
you know we are trying right and the

971
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:16,360
police are trying

972
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:27,960
» I I think we could put either date too
and see what yeah

973
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,960
exc

974
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:40,000
for Jim uh on the an update on water
tower repairs for

975
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:45,120
the water tower
>> through your worship. Uh yes, we're uh

976
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:49,920
speaking with SBA that is budgeted for
this year. Um we have found out that

977
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:53,360
there is only a couple companies that do
do that. They're pretty well booked for

978
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:59,920
this year. We do have kind of a
hierarchy of ours coming out with

979
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:04,719
suits treatment planting top order right
now and then shop expansion that sort of

980
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:10,880
thing. So the the hope is to get the RFP
out this year and awarded and then pump

981
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:14,880
the repairs in next year. They're hoping
to get away with just pressure washing

982
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:19,480
it and then it's going to be a full sale
glass. So it's going to enclo

983
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,199
» it
good.

984
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,640
» Yep.
>> Okay.

985
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:33,600
» All right. So we're going to jump into
our our regular agenda now. Um, one

986
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,239
amendment I'm going to make, our fire
chief is here with us, and rather than

987
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:44,640
make him sit through the entirety of the
agenda, I am going to bump item number

988
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:49,280
five, which was the addendum uh up to
the number two spot. So, after we get

989
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:52,159
through kind of the the planning report,
then we'll deal with you, chief, and you

990
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,320
can carry on with the rest of your
evening.

991
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:59,280
» Thank you, sir.
>> All right. So, uh, but before we get

992
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:06,600
there, um, I I am going to ask Steve to
come back up and walk us through the,

993
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:06,600
uh, report for 600 Main Street

994
01:20:10,375 --> 01:20:15,080
[laughter]
>> again.

995
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:26,520
this back up, but feel pretty important
now going out of

996
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:32,520
» Well, there is some method to my
madness, man. We're paying you by the

997
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,520
hour.

998
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:42,880
Um so we do have some takes on that as
well for this.

999
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:48,239
So Donna Bravo from Rothman Investments
um limited representing receiver as well

1000
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:55,360
as Patrick Harrington is legal council
to the receiver and Mark Yington is the

1001
01:20:51,920 --> 01:21:02,080
plan. Um so I think council's very
familiar with this uh development. Um

1002
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:06,960
it's um has a a long history. Uh going
back to um in the background of my

1003
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:13,040
report, I recap kind of where we've come
from. Uh which is um a developer had

1004
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:17,120
obtained or previous owner had obtained
draft plan of subdivision and

1005
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:20,640
condominium approvals. And then um it
took some time for them to secure a

1006
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:26,000
builder. that builder navigated the
detailed design process and and um had

1007
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:30,400
home models designed and and was pretty
close to getting into home construction.

1008
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:37,040
The site was pre-service with all the
underground services. The base roads are

1009
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:44,080
there um but ran into some uh difficulty
um about uh a year ago um and the

1010
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:47,120
property went into receiverhip. And so
uh since that time we've been working

1011
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:51,440
with the receiver and their
representatives to to figure out what

1012
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:57,440
the options are because in March of or
sorry in April of 2025 u the draft plan

1013
01:21:54,480 --> 01:22:01,280
approvals had lapsed there. It was very
close to having final approval. A

1014
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:04,560
subdivision agreement had been drafted.
Many of the conditions had been cleared

1015
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:09,199
but there were a few items remaining
outstanding. Uh and a timeline was given

1016
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:14,960
for those items to be addressed and they
ultimately weren't. Um so um this is a

1017
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:18,719
new provision under the planning act. We
haven't had a request like this before

1018
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:22,480
because it's a relatively recent um
change that's been added through one of

1019
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:28,320
the current government's many changes to
the planning act which allows that um

1020
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:35,600
expired uh draft plan approvals can be
reinstated uh such as some criteria and

1021
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:39,760
um one of the criteria which is is the
easiest one here to to address is that

1022
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:43,840
the draft plan hasn't been declared for
more than five years. This one just

1023
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:49,920
expired last April. So, so no problem
with that. Um, the other is that this is

1024
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:54,159
a one-time opportunity. So, um, although
this approval had been extended several

1025
01:22:52,239 --> 01:23:00,320
times under different provisions of the
act, the reinstatement of a lapsed draft

1026
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:05,520
plan approval is a one-time thing. So,
um this is an important uh decision

1027
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:10,800
point for this development because um
once this decision has been made if it's

1028
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:15,520
reinstated, it can't be further extended
or reinstated again. If it were to lapse

1029
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:20,560
again, it can't be reinstated. And if it
were to um not get final approval prior

1030
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:26,080
to elapsing, there's no opportunity to
extend further. So that speaks to the

1031
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:30,080
timeline request which the applicant has
asked for three years from the previous

1032
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:35,199
expiry date. So it's not quite three
years now, it's a little less than two,

1033
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:40,480
but essentially gives um the receiver
some time to continue to market the

1034
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:45,040
property. Having the draft plan
approvals as they've identified is

1035
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:49,040
really critical to that. Um certainly
marketing it for development when it

1036
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:54,159
doesn't have that status is is a more
challenging thing. Um, and so the

1037
01:23:51,679 --> 01:24:01,280
request is to allow three years from
April 2nd, 2025 to April 2nd, 2028. Um,

1038
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:06,719
as I say, the previous owner was very
close to finalizing all the remaining

1039
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:11,280
clearances. And so, um, it's not
necessarily the case that the receiver

1040
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:16,320
would have to have secured a developer
and builder or sell the property. um all

1041
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:20,960
they have to do is make sure that the
remaining clearances and conditions have

1042
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:25,920
been addressed including critically with
the town of final executed subdivision

1043
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:30,719
agreement.
Um and then there were some outside

1044
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:36,239
clearances including with the valley
conservation.

1045
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:39,920
Uh if the property were to lose its
draft plan approval or if council didn't

1046
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:43,840
grant the reinstatement that's not the
end of the story for the development.

1047
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:48,000
the other opportunities to reapply for
essentially the same thing. However,

1048
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:52,080
that's a longer and certainly a more
expensive process and more time

1049
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:55,840
consuming process for the applicant um
and ultimately has some uncertainties

1050
01:24:54,159 --> 01:25:00,719
because we go back through all the
circulations, public consultations,

1051
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:05,040
appeal periods and it would ultimately
be a new council that would consider

1052
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:10,159
that as well. So, a different avenue but
still another avenue to the same to

1053
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:14,400
another path to the same kind of
objective. Um but obviously the

1054
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:19,600
applicant is here to request a
reinstatement. Uh the third uh condition

1055
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:24,000
under the act for this type of request
is a bit of an odd one and it's really

1056
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:29,600
been what has taken this much time to
figure out and that's that there can't

1057
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:34,639
have been any um purchase and sale
agreements entered into for land by

1058
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:38,960
description under the original draft
heading. But we're not quite clear what

1059
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:42,560
the province's objective was was there
because one of the main purposes of

1060
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,320
obtaining draft plan approval was to
allow that to happen. Once you have a

1061
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:52,560
draft plan approval, you can take
deposits from interested purchasers and

1062
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:56,400
um we didn't ever pro we were never
provided with any purchase and sale

1063
01:25:54,239 --> 01:26:00,960
agreements. Um that is a requirement of
the subision agreement that be provided.

1064
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:04,480
It wasn't provided. uh the developer who
was working on this project previously

1065
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:08,960
had indicated there were some pre-sales
but and we did hear from purchasers

1066
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:13,360
inquiring from time to time about how
long it would take for their unit to be

1067
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:20,080
ready. However, that the receiver has
specifically um stated by statutory

1068
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:24,320
declaration that um any agreements that
were made with any other parties have

1069
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:30,880
been disclaimed. they're no longer valid
and further that um as of the date of

1070
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:37,600
their declaration that there are no um
outstanding personal sale. So that um

1071
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:42,719
qualifies in discussion with legal
counsel to meet that third requirement

1072
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:47,440
of the act that there isn't purchase and
sale agreements outstanding.

1073
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:54,639
It's been many months, if not more than
a year, since we've heard from anybody

1074
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:58,800
um who may have thought they had a unit
reserved in the in the development. So,

1075
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:02,560
we're not seeing any indications that
there are people looking to challenge

1076
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:07,679
the receiver or the town on on the
status of anything. So, um we're

1077
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:13,280
satisfied that the requirements of the
act have met. Um the rest of my report

1078
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:18,159
um just confirms that procedurally
there's no public notice requirement for

1079
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:23,760
this step. Um what it would mean is
essentially it's back to where it was

1080
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:28,719
back before April 2nd, 2025. Um that the
uh engineering designs and reports can

1081
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:33,040
all be finalized. The sub agreement can
be finalized. That will come before

1082
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:38,080
council before it can be executed. So
there will be further report to the

1083
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:44,000
council about this um and that they
would have again till April 2nd 2028

1084
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:48,719
uh to secure all those final uh
approvals.

1085
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:52,639
Um from there um as I've relayed to
council before I know the interest here

1086
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:56,239
has been well let's get this project
going and get the homes constructed.

1087
01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:01,360
That part is maybe a bit more
complicated now than it was um even a

1088
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:06,080
year and a half ago. Uh because the
picture has changed as you saw in May of

1089
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:11,199
this year through Steve's report on um
servicing allocation. We experienced

1090
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:17,120
higher flows at the windwater plant than
um we anticipated and still getting to

1091
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:20,560
the bottom of the causes of that. Um and
so the recommendation which was

1092
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:25,040
supported by council in May was to not
grant any new allocations to development

1093
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:29,760
um at least for this year until we have
more information or the wastewater plant

1094
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:34,080
has advanced far enough in its upgrade
process to give confidence upon the

1095
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:39,360
timing of when that that additional
capacity will be provided. So the third

1096
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:43,760
part of my recommendation deals
specifically with the applicant's

1097
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:49,199
request to reinstate the uh servicing
capacity and um I've just been upfront

1098
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:53,280
with them that there frankly isn't
capacity to allocate at this time which

1099
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:57,840
again is a change in circumstances that
we didn't foresee um even a year in

1100
01:28:56,159 --> 01:29:03,840
Appalore when we started talking with
them about this. However, there are ways

1101
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:07,760
to address that um given we also now on
on the good news front have more

1102
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:11,679
certainty with respect to the funding
plan for the wastewater plant and that

1103
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:15,040
was the missing piece when this
development was being considered

1104
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:20,080
previously and frankly an overall
constraint on development continuing um

1105
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:24,880
beyond what we know was already on the
books. Um

1106
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:30,320
I have outlined to them the timing and
the steps involved in the process for

1107
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:35,040
the wastewater plant um procurement and
award and tendering and um ultimately

1108
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:39,440
the construction and that all of those
boxes have to be checked at the

1109
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:44,159
appropriate time to create that path of
certainty to um ensure that the

1110
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:49,440
approvals can move forward to home
construction and then ultimately

1111
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:52,880
occupancy. Um but we do have now one
other draft plan of subdivision which

1112
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:58,159
has draft plan approval status which is
in the same boat and that was approved

1113
01:29:55,440 --> 01:30:03,040
um earlier this year for the west side
of town where there's 230 units that are

1114
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:06,880
pending this wastewater plant upgrade.
The conditions and agreements all be

1115
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:11,520
structured around that and that's what
we would do in this case. to uh work

1116
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:16,880
those provisions into the subdivision
agreement such that um activity with

1117
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:22,480
respect to final approvals continue
while the wastewater plant process uh

1118
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:28,560
for design and tendering approvals and
ultimately construction are are um

1119
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:32,560
continuing to align steps in the
building and construction process with

1120
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:36,159
steps in the wastewater plant process.
As we have more confidence about the

1121
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:39,600
delivery date of having more capacity
online, then we can give greater

1122
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:44,480
certainty as to the timing of when
permits may be issued and whether that

1123
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:49,600
needs to happen with a phase manner or
or what the the release of that would

1124
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:55,520
look like. Um
so that really is my report. um happy to

1125
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:59,199
um support the direction to see this
development, you know, finished. And

1126
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:05,280
this is the best way to do that in my
opinion to reinstate those draft plans.

1127
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:10,080
Um create a more a more appetite for a
builder and developer to come in and u

1128
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:13,520
partner with the receiver or buy the
property to finish that and then deal

1129
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:16,480
with servicing matters through the
subdivision agreement to ensure it's

1130
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:22,800
aligned with the wastewater plan
upgrades. Um so I think that's what I

1131
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:28,320
wanted to capture in terms of my report.
Um representatives for for the

1132
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:32,000
development are here um primarily to
answer questions if council has any of

1133
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:36,880
them. Um they didn't have anything to
present. So I'll pause there for for any

1134
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:41,360
comments or questions from C. Thank you.
>> Okay. C.

1135
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:46,480
» Um we've seen this sort of development
come back and forth so many times now

1136
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:50,320
I'm losing track. Um I thought we like
allocated like the allocation for them

1137
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:55,920
like I thought we put some aside for
them specifically and sort of saved it

1138
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:59,679
so that if it did come we could sort of
grant it. Did that change or did I

1139
01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:04,880
forget something?
>> So I I should have spoke to that in my

1140
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:08,480
presentation but in my report I took us
back to last fall when there was a party

1141
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:13,040
at the table that was interested in
acquiring the property. um and they made

1142
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:19,280
a presentation and outlined some changes
they were proposing to the unit types

1143
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:22,719
and the density. And um last fall we we
thought we had more capacity available

1144
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:30,639
for them and for this development
generally than we found out we do. And

1145
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:34,159
so there was a a preliminary reserve
that was granted by council last fall,

1146
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:40,480
right? but for that request
specifically. Um and that that party did

1147
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:45,440
not proceed with acquiring the site.
>> Um and we didn't have the information

1148
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:50,800
then that we do now which is that 25
flows through the plant were much higher

1149
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:55,600
than we expected. Um we hope that that
will correct um over the course of the

1150
01:32:53,520 --> 01:33:00,159
next two years but ultimately it's
another sign that major development is

1151
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:03,280
going to be heavily reliant on
wastewater outgrades.

1152
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:07,199
Yeah, that's where
>> with the laping of the draft plan of

1153
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:10,800
approvals, the the allocation also
expired,

1154
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:15,199
» right? Um we'd love to be able to say we
should reestablish that now and line

1155
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:19,760
those two things up but um but of an
abundance of caution um you can speak to

1156
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:22,880
this too as well if needed or
>> of course

1157
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:24,080
» recommending that no allocation decided
at this time

1158
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:29,360
» of course
>> and that the proper pathway to the final

1159
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:36,000
approval and the or to the construction
final approval should be with the base.

1160
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:41,920
» Yes. Now, if um we do start seeing
capacity be available, would something

1161
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:47,280
like this um take priority over the
west? I because it's tricky, right? It's

1162
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:50,800
like we want this one sort of it's so
close to being there. Yes.

1163
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:54,639
» But now they have, you know, somebody
who purchased this now is coming in

1164
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:58,880
after the West End, you know, approval
and things like that. But so how does

1165
01:33:56,800 --> 01:34:03,520
that work with priority level?
>> Definitely. And and just to put a finer

1166
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:07,360
point on how serious the flow issue has
become, there's also been like a

1167
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,840
moratorum on the basement part,
>> right?

1168
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:16,000
» Kind of a full stop on on pretty much
everything.

1169
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:20,159
» Um so what we would look at first is
just like the super this super capacity

1170
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:24,560
allocation policy is are those things
that are most ready to go, already have

1171
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:28,400
pipes in the ground, um have very little
left to do in terms of permits.

1172
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:31,360
» Okay. And the number I'm assuming as
well, right, the sheer volume, how many

1173
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:36,800
go in there compared to
>> it can be phased. But um I think the

1174
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:42,000
hope is that as time moves on and we get
closer to the plant um being upgraded

1175
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:44,719
and that capacity coming online there
might be some phasing or something we

1176
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:48,400
can
>> um start to release smaller in small

1177
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:52,480
numbers
>> a little bit of capacity

1178
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:57,520
» but that will really depend on the
circumstances at a time and what what

1179
01:34:54,159 --> 01:35:02,560
Steve and his team have um at their hand
at their fingertips to recommend based

1180
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:04,320
on the science and and the math and
being careful.

1181
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:08,080
» Yes, of course.
>> Okay. No, that's great. Thank you so

1182
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:12,239
much for clarifying.
>> I'm good.

1183
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:20,080
» Did you want to add anything?
>> Uh just we had uh talked about how the

1184
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:24,639
set is very much in line with how uh
was

1185
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:29,920
stop. Um I think one thing you need
council to know that even during the

1186
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:35,840
construction phase there are times where
half be taking off for that construction

1187
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:41,679
actually to happen. So that's why we are
taking cautious approach. Um and I guess

1188
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:45,520
the only other we have is that if
council recalls when we do these

1189
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:49,120
calculations they're based on the
average.

1190
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:54,080
So
the number magically dropping is not a

1191
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:59,120
high likel at this point. It's not like
the use of deep flows was event that

1192
01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:07,440
significantly affected the plant that
caused um uh bypass this past year as

1193
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:14,880
well which emphasizes the the issue of
uh of being cautious but average time

1194
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:19,360
back as well. So I I
expect that this place with a tender

1195
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:23,679
contract.
>> Okay, makes sense.

1196
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:28,480
» Yeah. And I mean certainly from the
receivers's perspective, I I can see

1197
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:32,719
that marketing this property is much
easier. Those plans are still in place.

1198
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:39,280
So I mean I certainly have no problem
doing that.

1199
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:43,520
See this bad. Um but but I think both
absolutely right in terms of the

1200
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:46,719
allocation
that

1201
01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:50,560
» even if we wanted to that's just not
realistic option.

1202
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:53,560
» Yeah.
>> So

1203
01:36:54,719 --> 01:37:00,800
» yeah for sure
>> other comments

1204
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:05,760
want to make motion for the
recommendation by deputy mayor hall

1205
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:10,719
second by councelor sample.
So just to to summarize, we're receiving

1206
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:16,639
Steve's report. We are effectively
extending draft plan of subdivision uh

1207
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:21,840
and and draft plan of common elements
convenient uh for three years from the

1208
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:28,239
date of expiry which was April 2nd,
2025. So effectively giving this life

1209
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:32,560
until April 2nd, 2028. Uh but the
servicing allocation is being deferred

1210
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:39,280
until we have a better idea of what
capacity we actually have to work with.

1211
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:42,600
Okay. All in favor?
>> Thanks, guys.

1212
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:51,400
» Oh, man. I know that.

1213
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:56,360
» All right.

1214
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:06,080
» So, as I said, we're going to move uh
item number five up next. So, Deep

1215
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:10,639
Pratt, welcome.
Thank you, your worship, members of

1216
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:16,239
council, staff, uh I sort of apologize
for putting such a lengthy document in

1217
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:20,639
front of you. Uh but I felt uh through
direction of the fire board and and

1218
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:24,800
personally that uh I wanted to get all
the establishing and regulating bylaws

1219
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:33,040
updated to accurately reflect the level
of service uh that we provide our uh

1220
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:36,639
partner municipalities and uh further to
address some of the legislation that has

1221
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:42,960
changed since the last DNR bylaw was
written. We have the CRA which I believe

1222
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:49,440
is 2018. Uh I'm happy to report that uh
the mandatory certification piece that

1223
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:54,320
was legislated July 1st, 2026, we are in
compliance

1224
01:38:51,119 --> 01:39:00,639
uh and working towards the the piece
that'll be July 1st, 2028. So really

1225
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:04,560
I [snorts] don't want to take a lot of
credit for the document is largely a

1226
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:09,840
cookie cutter document that many of the
fire services throughout the province

1227
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:14,159
are using. uh it accurately reflects
again the levels of service that we

1228
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:18,800
provide and I I I said to the fire board
and I know I've probably said it here as

1229
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:23,840
well that uh one of the most important
clauses to me in the document is the

1230
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:30,719
limited service clause knowing that we
are a volunteer fire department although

1231
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:34,320
we paper call staff everybody is you
know coming from their place of

1232
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:39,520
residence or their place of employment
so there really is no guarantee when the

1233
01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:44,159
tones go off that uh that anybody's
going to attend. Um so [clears throat]

1234
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:48,639
that clause is there just in case
there's some horrendous event that you

1235
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:53,119
know prevents staff from getting to the
fire hall from the residence etc. or you

1236
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:56,719
know something
you know the last two nights we've had

1237
01:39:54,639 --> 01:40:00,719
two calls simultaneously. So you're
running trucks you know to this incident

1238
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:04,880
and then you get another incident and
you just can't prepare for that. So that

1239
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:08,639
that's why I think the limited service
clause is important to me at least to us

1240
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:15,280
as an organization and to
municipalities. So uh again I think it's

1241
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:20,000
pretty straightforward.
I've been to council previously to talk

1242
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:25,280
about the levels of service that's
reflected in the bylaw. Uh this bylaw

1243
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:29,119
doesn't change our levels of service. It
doesn't affect our budget. It's just

1244
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:33,679
kind of making sure that you know
everything we do is is captured and that

1245
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:37,760
we are current with all the current
legislation that uh whether it's through

1246
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:42,239
the well through the FBPA the fire
protection and prevention act or its

1247
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:49,760
regulations. So I'd be more than happy
to answer any questions. Uh again we are

1248
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:53,199
compliant with the July 1 uh regulation
of mandatory certification. So, I'm

1249
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:59,280
going to bring the report to the fire
board at our next meeting just uh kind

1250
01:40:55,920 --> 01:41:03,840
of as an awareness piece. Uh but other
than that, you know, unless there's

1251
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:09,360
something specific, uh again, it's just
to try and make sure that what we are

1252
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:13,119
providing our our member municipalities,
people know what level of service. And

1253
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:15,920
conversely, you know, if we have an
incident that we don't provide that

1254
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:19,840
level of service, people understand
that, you know what, we're not trained

1255
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:24,159
to provide that and we might have to
reach out to, you know, a neighboring

1256
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:30,080
municipality or maybe even the province
to provide that service. So, those those

1257
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:33,600
contingencies are in place as well.
>> And like you said, just to maybe

1258
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:38,239
understand that it's volunteer based,
right? Like, you know, you said it's not

1259
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:41,760
all people will be able to come to the
call. So that does limit our ability

1260
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:48,320
sometimes.
>> Yeah. Similar to the library, we have a

1261
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:51,600
a full-time equivalent of two. So, uh,
we have more volunteers staff that do

1262
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:56,320
get paid by the hour, but yeah, there is
no there is no guarantee. We have a a

1263
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:00,960
great dedicated group of staff and,
>> you know, but everybody has, you know,

1264
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:04,560
careers and family life, etc. So, we can
never predict, you know, when the tones

1265
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:08,159
are going to go off and, you know, how
many different incidents we might call

1266
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:13,199
to at the same time. So, it's just kind
of a bit of a protection, but more

1267
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:17,560
importantly to me, it's, you know, to be
compliant with recent legislation.

1268
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:26,920
» Okay. Questions for
you doing a bit of work.

1269
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:32,639
[laughter]
>> Can we save that conversation for uh for

1270
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:39,159
a couple weeks?
>> We can. Yeah, absolutely. We're the only

1271
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:39,159
one Right.

1272
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:48,880
» Okay. All right.
>> And your current one is the most recent.

1273
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:54,000
So the gold stars for children.
>> That's good. That's good. Um just just

1274
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:58,400
one sort of quick point on on response.
So yeah, I mean it is volunteer, but

1275
01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:03,520
compared to a lot of other volunteer
services, I think we're lucky in terms

1276
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:06,960
of the response get in most cases,
right?

1277
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:11,840
» Yeah. It's it's quite honestly it's a
constant conversation at the chief level

1278
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:17,280
to say, you know, how is your response?
How are you doing to, you know, to

1279
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:23,119
attract staff? Uh we we we just lost
one, but we we have a compliment of 38.

1280
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:26,560
Right now we're at 37. Uh so there is
conversation with the other fire chiefs

1281
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:31,920
about doing another recruitment early in
the new year so that we obtain our

1282
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:36,320
levels. But as far as response, you
know, we're and I report to the fire

1283
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:40,400
board monthly as you're aware in terms
of our trying to meet certain standards.

1284
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:44,400
NFPA, which is the National Fire
Protection Association, has certain

1285
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:47,760
standards for fire departments. And I
think we we're very close. We're very

1286
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:52,960
good in terms of meeting those
standards, especially for part-time or

1287
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:56,320
volunteer department.
I would commend the employers that do

1288
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:01,199
support
>> and encourage some of the other

1289
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:06,719
employers to to look at opportunities
for these individuals

1290
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:12,320
to get them to support.
>> Yeah. And and I think again we've been

1291
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:16,719
very lucky to have employers who are
supportive that say look if you get a

1292
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:22,840
call day
go ahead

1293
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,840
and that doesn't happen in

1294
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:30,880
Okay, any other questions?
[snorts] Okay, so we need a motion to

1295
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:36,719
receive the chief's report and then for
uh leave to be given for the reading and

1296
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:40,719
enacting of bylaw number 34-2026
which is a bylaw to establish and

1297
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:46,320
regulate his fire department for the
town of Shelmer

1298
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:50,480
by Deputy Mayor Hall second by Mr.
Sample. [snorts]

1299
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:54,880
All in favor?
Okay, thank you sir.

1300
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:58,000
» Thank you worship for meeting me up the
line, sir.

1301
01:44:56,639 --> 01:45:01,840
Looking forward to the next See you
soon. [laughter]

1302
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:07,360
» Okay, take care everyone. Thank you.
>> See you now.

1303
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:11,920
» All right, back on track. So, next is
the report from our CEO regarding

1304
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:14,920
traffic calming strategies.
>> Thanks

1305
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:24,400
detailed data. So I'm going to present
an overview without hopefully happy to

1306
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:28,080
take us back for every aspect of the
traffic economy that we undertake in

1307
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:33,920
ASH.
Um Jim Moss the director is part of this

1308
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:39,040
report as is Steve Bernett and Steve
Weaver. He had a a role to play as well.

1309
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:41,760
So he's quite excited about um
something.

1310
01:45:41,128 --> 01:45:46,639
[laughter]
So um the SBA report which is a very

1311
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:49,760
technical document is attached pending
squad. So that really is the

1312
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,480
nitty-gritty of components of the
project. And if you have specific

1313
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:56,719
questions after I'm done, I'm going to
direct all those to Steve in terms of

1314
01:45:54,080 --> 01:46:00,880
functionality to CO and the program and
why those elements of the traffic

1315
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:06,080
program are so essential to the strategy
that we were trying to implement. Um

1316
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:10,639
obviously just a bit of history with the
elimination of the ASV program,

1317
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:14,800
municipalities lost that ability to use
those cameras to control speed. We know

1318
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:19,199
that, you know, anecdotally from what
we've heard that speed has increased in

1319
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:22,400
our town. We hear from data that in
other communities that have removed

1320
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:27,119
them, they're they're experiencing
significant speed. Um, so traffic coming

1321
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:31,360
is a critical way to slow traffic down,
which is actually contrary to some of

1322
01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:36,159
the the the foundational visions of
others who want to move traffic

1323
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:42,560
seamlessly. So how do we actually coales
those responsibilities? Well, that's our

1324
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:46,480
traffic program. So in addition to
slowing traffic down, there's some other

1325
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:50,320
benefits from traffic caling. There's
quality of life issues. There's

1326
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:54,960
pedestrian safety. There is noise
reduction. And there's other elements of

1327
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:59,679
road safety that we've outlined that I'm
going to address. Last of regarding road

1328
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:05,440
rationalization. So when the province
eliminated the program, um they

1329
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:10,320
implemented a supplemental opportunity
called the road safety initiative

1330
01:47:07,440 --> 01:47:14,239
initiative fund. In contrast to how much
revenue was being generated through the

1331
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:18,159
AF program that can support the
community's traffic calming initiatives,

1332
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:21,920
this is a drop in the bucket to be fair,
but it's still an important fund that we

1333
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:26,000
want want to apply for. One of the
recommendations outlines council that we

1334
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:30,639
will be applying for that and just
making sure aware of um so the traffic

1335
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:35,920
comic strategy that we've developed and
again the majority of all of that

1336
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:39,840
technical work was completed by SBA. Um,
within the body of the report are some

1337
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:44,159
highlights and they're specific to what
is eligible through the funding program

1338
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:48,080
which you have to be within 500 meters
of where your camera was. So, we went

1339
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:52,639
through the mapping to identify all of
the tools and the locations where those

1340
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:58,480
trafficcoming initiatives would be done.
I will note that one traffic island was

1341
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:02,800
highlighted in this report for William
and me. Um, I did write that would be

1342
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:06,800
undertaken in August. I was on vacation
last week and it started today. So, I

1343
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:11,600
was a little bit behind the eightball
there, but the critical thing about that

1344
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:16,080
is it will address a couple of things. U
the no left terms, which have been a

1345
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:20,800
real problem for us and preempting that
date, have been difficult with signage.

1346
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:23,840
This should be a key um component of
that and we've also joked today, but I

1347
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:27,920
think we're not joking that we're going
to put some flower box on it and it's

1348
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:32,400
going to be our manual on flower box.
So, I will look at that. So the list of

1349
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:37,360
everything that we're recommending
that's within the 500 meters is on page

1350
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:42,800
four of four and five of 11. Not going
to get into that total budget on that

1351
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:46,000
eligible vote just over 1 million. And
then when we get to the actual budget

1352
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:50,639
I'm going to flip that to Carrie if you
have questions with respect to all of

1353
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:55,040
the what we have funding for from the
preunding what we have eligibility for

1354
01:48:53,199 --> 01:49:00,159
from the application funding and what we
have in terms of our ASF funding

1355
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:04,639
received and to follow. So we've looked
at an implementation schedule based on

1356
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:09,520
strategy for what would be happening in
2026 um because we can use our existing

1357
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:13,280
money for that and it's really still
still a robust program and what other

1358
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:17,600
than the concrete island which is
underway within the 27 package which

1359
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:22,239
would require some of the applications
to be undertaken engineering work to be

1360
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:27,119
done and that program to be initiated.
What is specific and while you do not

1361
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:32,080
have to approve this uh we decided as
staff that it would be important to have

1362
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:36,239
you approve the literal location of the
speed bumps. These are permanent speed

1363
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:40,639
bumps. And I know you feel like you had
questions in terms of spacing or

1364
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:46,400
comments. Um, and you might go, "Are you
are you serious? 10 on one road." Yes.

1365
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:51,360
Because one is inefficient, two is
ineffective, and you have to have a a

1366
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:55,280
continual number of them in order to
slow that traffic. So, you do not have

1367
01:49:53,280 --> 01:50:00,159
speed. Get over the hump. Speed again.
So just in terms of outreach, we didn't

1368
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:03,440
want the community to then contact you
as members of council and say, "Why is

1369
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:06,560
this happening on my street? Are you
aware of it?" And you're going to say,

1370
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:12,239
"Well, it was in a staff report, but I'm
not really sure." So those locations are

1371
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:17,679
very prescriptive for that reason. Um so
really that's the heart of this report.

1372
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:23,280
Um in terms of the technical what we've
added to this because we have so many

1373
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:28,159
questions of staff and we've had review
with respect to locations of projects

1374
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:32,320
that are listed through the SBA analysis
is another issue and that is called road

1375
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:38,800
rationalization and how do you tie that
into trafficcoming because the literal

1376
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:42,560
ability to make decisions on road is
affected by the jurisdiction under which

1377
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:47,679
it's controlled by. So within the town
of Shelurn, council has many questions

1378
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:51,840
to staff that involve Highway 124, which
is actually county road 124. I know we

1379
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:57,600
hear that. We got to correct that. Not
in a not like they just and then county

1380
01:50:54,960 --> 01:51:03,040
road 11, which runs adj.
So we listed a number of things that

1381
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:07,760
jurisdictional adjustments would allow.
And then we had a we had a speeding

1382
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:13,199
adjustment for at the requested council
to drop 11 and drop 124 down to 40 for a

1383
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:17,679
reason. It was more about the abutment
and that intersection at 124 and 89

1384
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:22,800
where we know schools will be walking in
the future. We have a lot of pedestrian

1385
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:26,719
traffic there. We were part of the we
support vision zero in principle because

1386
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:31,040
we know we have the data that if you're
a pedestrian and you're hit at 40, your

1387
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:35,199
chance of survival is a lot higher than
if you're hit at 60. And we know that

1388
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:38,800
the demographic of that crossing tends
to be a lot of seniors and children. So

1389
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:41,840
that's one thing. Um [snorts]
I'm going to read this list

1390
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:45,679
intentionally so that it's an awareness
that you have better control over your

1391
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:50,800
road access for development. We deal
with that a lot. Um we have situations

1392
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:55,280
where trails and linkages could be
better managed. For example, in terms of

1393
01:51:52,639 --> 01:52:01,040
part surfacing and connections within a
protocol that the town

1394
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:05,840
we've identified in our project scheme
um crosswalks of PXOs and many of those

1395
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:10,080
need to be on those roads that we do not
control because we know that those

1396
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:15,599
linkages cross park, those linkages on
24 over to Fieldgate, those are also

1397
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:20,960
critical. Um, and while we don't have
the ability uh to do bike lanes or hard

1398
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:24,800
surfaces within our roadways for many
reasons, there may be opportunities to

1399
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:28,480
do those within shared pedestrian
corridors like sidewalks. And I know

1400
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:31,840
I've skipped sidewalks, but sidewalks on
certain roads. We know that we are

1401
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:37,119
hearing community input that they would
like to see a sidewalk on 124 between

1402
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:41,760
Wasow Way and down. And we have been a
staff working on that. Again, that road

1403
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:45,760
that road is not within our
jurisdiction. So there has to be some

1404
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:49,920
kind of different approach to get that
and it most likely will not be all the

1405
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:54,080
way down. It will be down and over. So
again, yeah.

1406
01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:58,560
» Um the other thing that I know our
industrial partners and many of our

1407
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:02,880
largest employers in the town of Shelurn
um are dealing with or have to deal with

1408
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:06,800
where the town has had to be I guess a
conduit and voice to help advocate on

1409
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:12,320
that if
jurisdictions that we would be having

1410
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:17,360
oversight of those probably not in. And
then the biggest issue and this is where

1411
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:22,320
the planning side meets um the technical
engineering urban side is we are aware

1412
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:25,360
that in other larger geographic counties
or regional government there is

1413
01:53:23,563 --> 01:53:31,280
[clears throat] a difference
taken when rural or county ride road

1414
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:36,000
integrate with an urbanization and that
the whole traffic calming design

1415
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:40,320
adjusts. So for example, when that road
enters urbanization area, there's

1416
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:43,920
automatically an expectation or a design
premise that there would be a sidewalk,

1417
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:47,760
there would be biking, pedestrian
support, there would be different

1418
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:52,400
intersectional adjustments and the whole
design changes from moving traffic

1419
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:56,880
seamlessly to pedestrian first. So
again, that's in there and that is

1420
01:53:54,080 --> 01:54:01,840
really what is under the fleet streets
type of planning approach to management.

1421
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:06,480
I know this is a big app. I know that
the um

1422
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:10,239
road rationalization of the county was
put on hold temporarily in February. We

1423
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:15,040
were not part of any road that was
adjusted. Um I won't comment on

1424
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:18,080
consultation and how engaged we were or
not. We um we would like [clears throat]

1425
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:21,679
more engagement going forward. So that
request is to reopen up that

1426
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:26,400
conversation to make these formal
requests. And I'm going to say what they

1427
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:32,880
are from County Road 124 from Highway 89
to 124 way point up. Um it's from County

1428
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:39,280
Road 11 for the intersection of 189 all
the way over to 30 and then just to make

1429
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:43,280
it more complete link street approach we
would go from side road 30 all the way

1430
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:47,679
over Victoria.
Okay. So that that is not really

1431
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:51,760
technically usually what you'd consider
within a traffic calming report, but it

1432
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:56,239
is important for us to achieve our goals
and objectives in traffic, especially

1433
01:54:53,920 --> 01:55:01,280
with the project list and the locations
that SBA has identified within this

1434
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:07,440
meeting do. So that and that in the
summary is it got the locations of

1435
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:11,760
stems. I would want if Steve or Jim um
are then hearing on the finances to

1436
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:18,159
address any questions on behalf of the
council to share it with my colleagues.

1437
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:22,719
I can maybe go first. The only thing I
want to say is that the way it was set

1438
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:26,800
up as far as timing was for balancing
what would be done this year and what

1439
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:33,280
money was already available
then what funds applying funding make

1440
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:37,679
sure that funds are placed
through and really maximizing that

1441
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:41,840
funding.
I'm not going to bore council by reading

1442
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:48,560
every single one, but we have tried to
break it out very clearly where we're

1443
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:52,159
doing uh speed bumps or cushions as it's
referred to in the reports. That way you

1444
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:56,719
can exactly see what street, what
intersection

1445
01:55:53,679 --> 01:56:01,520
uh raise sidewalks to try and help
similarly at intersections on where the

1446
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:07,040
PXOs were recommended. I think there's
five total um where the signage and sort

1447
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:13,760
of narrowing
or having a lot of

1448
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:19,560
um so I think it's something that go
through and actually see there is a map

1449
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:19,560
back to highlight

1450
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:29,760
just from a planning perspective as you
can see most of the development has been

1451
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:35,679
more around per
in those um locations were dealing with

1452
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:43,280
road that aren't in the town's
jurisdiction and describing those see

1453
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:48,239
how they look at the open ditches
shoulders. Um they're designed primarily

1454
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:53,599
to move traffic through the area as
quickly as possible and to avoid uh

1455
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:59,679
intersections and and other things that
either slow traffic down stop. And um

1456
01:56:57,520 --> 01:57:05,040
the the local mindset is we need access
to property. We need streets that can

1457
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:09,840
accommodate more than just cars. Uh we
need pedestrian safety. The more cars

1458
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:17,280
and higher speed that they're going, the
more risk there is to pedestrians. And

1459
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:23,360
um we need opportunities.
And when you start to add storm sewers

1460
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:27,760
and curves and intersections and line
painting and separated pathways, the

1461
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:31,719
safety increases and then suddenly the
traffic speed

1462
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:39,119
or anyone who's driving out of the
countryside auto

1463
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:45,520
bit faster. There's less risk than when
you're in town and you're surrounded by

1464
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:52,159
all these other physical features.
Um so this would the road

1465
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:56,800
rationalization is is really um a way to
integrate roads and lanes better because

1466
01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:03,440
it brings that more wholesome picture of
roads into the planning realm um versus

1467
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:07,119
looking at it primarily
well a developer wants to do something

1468
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:12,000
on a road let's make them their section
of road fix it up and urbanize it and

1469
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:16,719
implement some improvements have more
comprehensive view let's prepare the

1470
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:21,080
roads so that they are aligned very
development and automation.

1471
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:30,239
It is something that involves a lot of
cost and design and all those things.

1472
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:34,800
But um you know just bring an integrated
planning and engineering locally control

1473
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:39,520
mindset
and and to that point Steve one of the

1474
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:44,080
things I don't think it's any surprise
but and I'm sure others feel the same

1475
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:47,840
way but one of you know biggest iridence
that that I've had is that we haven't

1476
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:53,840
been able to make progress on on solving
that safety issue along

1477
01:58:51,360 --> 01:59:00,159
Um I mean if if we are able to to
achieve this have that ownership threat

1478
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:04,719
to the town setting aside the obvious
you know budget issues which which

1479
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:09,360
council will have to deal with. I mean
just just from a logistical point of

1480
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:12,560
view and it could be evident to move
pretty quickly to get that resolved

1481
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:17,360
right.
>> Yeah. as the other thing it enables is

1482
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:21,360
um well while cost is one of the biggest
challenges with that is that it's a

1483
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:25,599
different view of what grow standard
should be and then actually enables

1484
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:31,440
growth related
right now

1485
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:35,599
asset you don't really mean to collect
development charges or build it into

1486
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:41,599
your uh capital
you're rely on

1487
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:46,280
municipal government to do that that
then links it to countywide development.

1488
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:58,000
So it definitely brings more opportunity
to do it sooner and resource funding for

1489
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:02,239
more.
>> Yeah.

1490
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:08,000
The only thought I had relative to that
is as Denise mentioned the sort of you

1491
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:13,679
know wholesome countywide broke
rationalization project has kind of been

1492
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:18,400
put on ice for a while. Um, and there's
a lot of issues at play there, but I

1493
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:22,320
still think that something like this
could make happen

1494
02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:26,719
regardless of what goes on with the rest
of that that project. So, um, but I I

1495
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:29,920
think having a formal motion where
council's blessing that transfer of

1496
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:34,239
ownership
>> allows, you know, those of us who are

1497
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:36,960
representatives at the county table to
say, "Okay, well, you know, let's let's

1498
02:00:35,868 --> 02:00:42,360
[clears throat] figure this out and make
it happen.

1499
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:42,360
Any

1500
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:49,280
other questions on this? Sorry, I didn't
know if your hand is off. Oh, it

1501
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:54,800
» is now.
>> Um, so I see in the list of areas that

1502
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:57,520
you've got like those floppy bullards.
>> We like the floppy bullards.

1503
02:00:56,080 --> 02:01:00,080
» You guys like them,
>> but they don't slow traffic.

1504
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:02,880
» They do.
>> They don't.

1505
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:08,159
» We have to feed things to show us.
>> Well, I was

1506
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:14,080
» You were speeding. I mean,
>> I just happened to be in the area

1507
02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:19,119
and
First Avenue

1508
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:24,239
where I was that day, they were not
slowing. And it was I was to the point

1509
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:26,719
where I said, "Okay, I got to get out of
here because something's going to

1510
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:32,400
happen. There's going to be an accident
because it was so fast."

1511
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:37,679
So I I find in Greenwood or Phil Park,
sorry, where I live, uh, they ain't

1512
02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:42,639
slowing anybody down that area that I
can see. So

1513
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:46,320
» worship
been there myself have noticed that some

1514
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:49,920
people they just won't slow down
anyways. Some of the flexible rollers

1515
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:52,960
have taken a beating.
>> Yeah, I've seen that, too.

1516
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:58,960
» They don't care about their vehicle.
They're just going to pop back up. But

1517
02:01:55,679 --> 02:02:04,480
it it does slow a lot of people down and
it just narrows the road. Um it throws

1518
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:10,239
off their perception of others where it
just forces them to slow me down.

1519
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:18,480
» I I I get that. But there's still a lot
that figured it out and especially I'm

1520
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:25,360
gonna say probably 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
years old that figured out how to get

1521
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:30,239
there quickly through that. Uh there is
a federal park lane. There are

1522
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:35,760
recommendations in here for other
measures to uh elevated uh intersections

1523
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:40,080
as well as the street crossings, that
sort of thing, especially in the school

1524
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:45,360
area. Well, I I think we're putting more
speed fun secions in than we are the

1525
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:51,840
other ones, which I think is good.
>> It's just I just know that I when I'm

1526
02:02:49,280 --> 02:02:58,639
when I'm in the streets, especially in
those areas, they're not I don't see it

1527
02:02:55,440 --> 02:03:02,800
slowing down with the bigger vehicles.
Yes. So, the guys with the F-150s and

1528
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:06,639
the and that kind of truck,
>> they're slowing down. I was going to say

1529
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:10,159
I mean I know myself driving through it
definitely slows me down because there

1530
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:16,080
isn't an awful lot of room there's not
much small vehicle yeah

1531
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:21,040
» take that on your advice
and if there's flexibility with respect

1532
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:24,760
to projects on what streets streets
particular then we

1533
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:33,360
» I like to see that there was less
>> we know we know that the um the sea

1534
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:39,360
cushion because there's there's how
they're situated. you have no choice but

1535
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:43,599
» like you have to slow down and you took
that as a serious a serious tool because

1536
02:03:41,679 --> 02:03:49,760
the council has told us that you
consistently are concerned about the

1537
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:56,880
speed of let alone the fact that there
so we can through Steve's team we can re

1538
02:03:52,960 --> 02:04:00,320
reconsider some of those roads and if
the next project phase allows us to the

1539
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:04,239
2027
um undertaking and including when we get

1540
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:07,679
more of our ASC
covered. As Carrie said, you know, this

1541
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:11,520
is the projected amount. It doesn't mean
all of that will be covered. You're

1542
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:17,119
pretty sure what essential is because if
you don't pay, your ability to get your

1543
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:20,400
plate renewed is also so there is
there's there may be a timing issue, but

1544
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:24,480
usually at the end of that time, there
will be some revenue that will support.

1545
02:04:23,156 --> 02:04:28,719
[snorts]
>> So, okay. So, we we can look at some of

1546
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:31,920
those things and whether we need to
rejoice.

1547
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:36,080
Yes,
>> that's the other thing about that. And

1548
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:40,560
we also have to be aware of
we know fire was fine about the island

1549
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:45,520
because they said they go around
anything and we also were aware of what

1550
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:49,440
we didn't want to impact
our our ability to do snow maintenance

1551
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:54,239
particularly on roads where we have a
lot of on street parking seasonally even

1552
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:58,679
though we have snow before delayed on
street parking.

1553
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:58,679
» Yes,

1554
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,719
» I will be here for that.

1555
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:10,400
stay on it. [laughter]
>> So I if I if mayor will do when he reads

1556
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:15,360
the recommendation literally read out
the streets for the speed bumps the

1557
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:18,880
speed cushions which were um that would
be appreciated

1558
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:25,440
» and and the speed cushions you said a
couple of times are permanent. So yeah,

1559
02:05:22,639 --> 02:05:30,159
so Jim like I [clears throat] know
initially there was some concerns about

1560
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:34,639
snow plowing and everything else that
but okay

1561
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:37,280
worship once
there.

1562
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:41,920
» Yeah,
>> you got worn down.

1563
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:47,679
» Just wanted to sorry just wanted to add
that I had a good conversation with man

1564
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:54,320
who's on char
and uh highly

1565
02:05:51,119 --> 02:06:01,040
recommending anything we can do to slow
traffic down

1566
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:06,560
zero. So I'll get that to September as
well.

1567
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:12,080
» I can. Excellent. Okay. Well, at the
CEO's request, I will read out the

1568
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:16,400
recommendation of all the form and for
you resolve the council receive his

1569
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:20,960
report CAO 2026-03
regarding traffic calming strategy for

1570
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:24,987
information and council approves the
following locations for permanent speed

1571
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:29,760
cushions.
[clears throat] Nishnab Drive, Red Elm

1572
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:34,800
Road to Highway 24,
five speed cushions. Berry Street, Phil

1573
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:39,679
Park Lane to Greenwood Street, five
speed cushions, Phil Park Lane, Berry

1574
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:44,480
Street to Warden Street, four speed
cushions, Greenwood Street, Main Street

1575
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:49,679
East to Phil Park Lane, 10 speed
cushions. And Simon Street from Victoria

1576
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:54,560
Street to Main Street East, 10 speed
cushions. And that a road safety

1577
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:58,400
initiative fund funding application be
submitted by the town of Shelurn to

1578
02:06:55,920 --> 02:07:02,800
implement traffic calming measures. And
that my favorite that town of Shelurn

1579
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:06,719
requests the county of Duffren as part
of the county's road rationalization

1580
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:10,960
project also review the transfer of
ownership to the town of Shelurn of road

1581
02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:15,040
sections listed better fully support the
town's commitment to complete streets

1582
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:19,840
pedestrian and cyclist safety as well as
the town's planning and development.

1583
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:24,480
Those sections are County Road 124 from
the intersection at Highway 89 124

1584
02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:30,719
Northway,
County Road 11 from the intersection at

1585
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:35,960
Highway 8924 south to side road 30 and
side road 30 from second line to

1586
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:41,719
second that That's your sample.

1587
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:47,520
» Okay.
>> Not that I would

1588
02:07:46,863 --> 02:07:52,119
[laughter]
>> just

1589
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:52,119
for

1590
02:07:52,239 --> 02:08:02,760
» all right. All in favor.
Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Steve. Thanks,

1591
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:02,760
guys.

1592
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:09,360
» All right.
You guys are sticking around for the

1593
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:13,840
next one, I assume, too. Next report is
also from our CEO

1594
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:19,079
regarding the Shelurn library board
structure and governance.

1595
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:19,079
» Thanks very much Jennifer.

1596
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:28,719
So this report is the next ph of the
review this

1597
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:32,960
last reported back and all of the news
report linkages there. I don't want to

1598
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:37,199
have to take us back to every report but
I will try to highlight some of the

1599
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:40,560
connections between this report. So what
we had reviewed is the library

1600
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:46,000
governance structure and the legislative
authority for the board and whether or

1601
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:51,199
not it was a unique library discovered
that we don't believe it is. What we're

1602
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:55,840
trying to solidify and find is how did
how did this unique structure come where

1603
02:08:53,920 --> 02:09:01,280
there are representatives appointed by
other municipalities on the shel public

1604
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:05,119
library. We compare that to the trend or
I should say the trend of tradition

1605
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:08,880
where other municipalities are
exclusively that municipality is the

1606
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:13,360
council of that municipality is the
appointing through the process whether

1607
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:17,599
or not that representative from another
municipality like is the case in New

1608
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:22,960
where they have service areas within the
municipality that are authorized to have

1609
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:27,280
a rep but is appointed by them. We also
compared in the report how the town of

1610
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:31,280
Orangeville's public library is a
regional library that provides service

1611
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:35,360
to many other communities that that are
surrounding them, but their board is

1612
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:38,639
exclusively represented by the town of
Orangeville residents of the town of

1613
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:42,880
Orangeville.
So the report has sort of gone through

1614
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:48,000
that history. Um we [clears throat]
looked at a number of different

1615
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:52,880
scenarios with respect to governance and
provided the composition option. So the

1616
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:56,320
first option which really in fairness is
not an option um because it's

1617
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:59,760
inconsistent with the library the
libraries act and the authority under

1618
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:04,320
which the representation is supposed to
be comprised and we did note that in

1619
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:07,040
previous reports that not only did it
resemble more of a union library in

1620
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:12,239
terms of functionality and
representation but you're not supposed

1621
02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:16,560
to have that many elected officials on a
board because that is outweighing the

1622
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:21,199
number of residential records. So
theoretically status quo or option one

1623
02:10:19,679 --> 02:10:25,360
is not an option. It would be an
inconsistency with the continuation of

1624
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:30,480
what is inconsistent. Doesn't make a lot
of sense but um so what we also report

1625
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:36,159
uh highlighted in the report which I
know council has repeatedly asked staff

1626
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:41,360
about is the budgetary alignment and
that about 56% is paid by the town of

1627
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:44,880
Shelurn and the rest of that balance is
paid by the other four municipalities

1628
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:49,520
that are represented on the port. What
also changed in 2026 under council with

1629
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:53,679
council approval and I know CEO
referenced it is we developed anou with

1630
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:59,360
respect to property and facility
building whereby the transfer of those

1631
02:10:56,639 --> 02:11:04,400
capital projects or maintenance related
costs under asset were almost

1632
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:08,639
exclusively becoming a function and
budgetary issue for the ten shelter. We

1633
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:13,280
established through director of
financial services on that team that we

1634
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:18,880
have a new reserve. It started at 50,000
and we continue to contribute that

1635
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:24,960
annually plus pay the capital. So in the
analysis that is primarily about the

1636
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:28,960
structure and based on the fact that
current structure is not something that

1637
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:32,239
we recognize was formalized that that
formalization is critical to the

1638
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:37,199
recognition of the structure
legislatively. It's also critically

1639
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:41,920
responsible for the town of Shelbert to
have an authority to do the appointment

1640
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:48,880
that the structure that we've
recommended is option two at this time.

1641
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:53,280
What that is looking at is a hybrid.
Option three is not a hybrid. Option

1642
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:58,239
three is the norm for the most part. But
option two would correct the over

1643
02:11:55,520 --> 02:12:04,079
representation of elected officials. It
would position the authority of the town

1644
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:09,119
of Shelurn Council to appoint to the
library through the town appointment

1645
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:13,840
process, but would provide
representation opportunity for those

1646
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:19,040
municipalities that are serviced by the
Shelurn Public Library as partners or

1647
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:23,840
through agreements or alternatively
through non-resident fees if that became

1648
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:27,520
supplement or fallback that they would
have a resident representation on the

1649
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:32,960
board.
where that resident representation was

1650
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:38,320
not applied for or determined to be
through the town of Shel Council

1651
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:44,480
authority that positional or that
representation would be defaulted to the

1652
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:49,040
town shel residential the other option
is that you wouldn't fill all nine

1653
02:12:46,201 --> 02:12:53,679
[clears throat] up to seven so [snorts]
and then I said option three is where

1654
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:58,239
you would have quite a drastic change
and that the representation on the board

1655
02:12:55,760 --> 02:13:03,040
would be solely limited to two members
of Shelurn Council up to and then

1656
02:13:00,239 --> 02:13:09,119
residential representatives again solely
and exclusively managed and appointed

1657
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:13,040
with the authority of Shelurn Castle.
Option two is predicated on two

1658
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:18,800
assumptions.
While theou is addressed, the

1659
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:23,199
operational capital should call off the
capital cost being the exclusive

1660
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:28,239
function of the town of Shelurn going
forward almost exclusively.

1661
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:35,679
There is an assumption under that model
option two that the proportional

1662
02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:40,719
budgetary structure would remain. So if
municipality ABC was paying XYZ right

1663
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:44,320
now, they would continue to pay that
proportional amount to the budget and by

1664
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:48,719
virtue of making that commitment, they
would have representation of a of a

1665
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:53,040
residential rep on the board to make
decisions about board functioning and

1666
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:57,760
operational decisions and all the great
program.

1667
02:13:55,199 --> 02:14:03,599
It is also assumed that if you did not
participate and continue past December

1668
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:07,040
30 of 2026, you would default to the
non-resident.

1669
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:13,119
So there's two things that could come of
that by the that that municipality no

1670
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:18,639
longer participating in the cost sharing
proportional model for the budgetary on

1671
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:22,960
they their residents would default to
the non-resident fee and currently the

1672
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:28,400
non-resident fee for Shel Public Library
is under $20. We've included in the list

1673
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:34,400
what the summary of other municipalities
in Ontario were charging. It ranges from

1674
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:40,880
Owens being 500 to some being 30. So
that would be how how the governance

1675
02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:47,440
would have to be structured in order for
this to make sense. You can't not fund

1676
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:53,599
the activity in order to achieve
representation.

1677
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:58,400
So the finances could go a number of
ways. We we accommodated that in terms

1678
02:14:55,920 --> 02:15:02,800
of the estimate at a very high level. So
if certain municipalities decided that

1679
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:07,760
we no longer because of the new
structure that is being recommended wish

1680
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:12,800
to participate on the board, their
service agreement would continue based

1681
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:18,239
on an allocation. Or alternatively,
every time a resident that is from that

1682
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:22,719
municipality use the library under the
current format where you have to have a

1683
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:28,400
library card for take off the books, not
use the programs, they would be levy the

1684
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:33,679
cost. So we know that there could be a
shift on top of what the CEO has told us

1685
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:39,679
in terms of the hope with their budget
just in terms of a base amount that

1686
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:43,599
Shelurn may have to pay with this
adjustment. So we're not saying that

1687
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:47,440
this is revenue neutral. We are saying
that there potentially might be an

1688
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:52,480
increase to the town of Shelurn, but
that certainly is an outcome that is the

1689
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:56,880
result of a change in structure that
that support.

1690
02:15:55,040 --> 02:16:05,520
So we're not I guess we're not naive
that change is not change is difficult

1691
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:09,280
and we know that this is not necessarily
a way that everybody would potentially

1692
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:14,079
like to see. But that's why staff would
look at a hybrid. And so really your

1693
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:17,760
options option one is not an option. So
you have option two and three and we

1694
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:22,239
recommended as a balanced hybrid in the
in transition and it could potentially

1695
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:27,920
be a pilot. We didn't put that on there
but I I believe that the authority of

1696
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:32,880
Shelurn Council would mean if it wasn't
working you could tweak it accordingly

1697
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:38,240
with with a couple of years of that's
really the overview. um any procedural

1698
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:44,240
things with respect to legislative
flying refer to Jennifer on that and we

1699
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:48,080
do have our library CEO still with us um
and I know that her her background has

1700
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:53,840
been working with an organization path
where the board is solely represented by

1701
02:16:50,319 --> 02:17:00,559
that town um municipal and elected
official that that's the heart of it and

1702
02:16:56,399 --> 02:17:03,280
the recommendation is good thank you
questions comments

1703
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:12,790
This This one's tricky now because I was
all for potentially recommending to go

1704
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:17,439
with the third option,
[sighs and gasps] but I'm worried about

1705
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:23,359
potential cost increases, especially
because as we heard, we already are

1706
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:27,639
potentially going to be reviewing
additional costs. So

1707
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:37,280
I'm just right now because if they get
angry that we've decided to adopt,

1708
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:43,359
you know, a model that almost [snorts]
every other uh library board follows,

1709
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:46,080
it's still such a drastic change that
they might say, "Fine, we're out of

1710
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:49,840
here." And I get it. They're going to
have to pay, you know, the residents

1711
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:53,760
will then have to pay or or we will have
to charge the municipality or however

1712
02:17:51,519 --> 02:17:58,160
that's going to go the non-resident fee.
But I'm not I just don't know if that

1713
02:17:56,080 --> 02:18:04,080
would
equate what they currently pay to to

1714
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:08,080
help support the function of the
library, right? Like you know because

1715
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:11,519
some people may be like, "Okay, fine.
Then I don't want the library card at

1716
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:17,519
all." So then we're not receiving as
many um non-resident fees and then the

1717
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:21,359
whole of what they they currently
contribute goes down drastically as

1718
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:28,960
well, which then means shining has to
increase. So I'm a little down now torn.

1719
02:18:26,639 --> 02:18:34,800
» My thought would be that option two is
is probably the best one at this point.

1720
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:39,719
Denise said a couple of dimension
changes. We all know that

1721
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:47,040
course quite a bit of change in the last
four years. Sometimes that has to be

1722
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:50,960
done a little more gradually but
uh but but I think option two does a

1723
02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:55,920
couple of things. It gets us moving in
the right direction.

1724
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:59,519
But it also, you know, kind of gives a
nod to the tradition that we've had

1725
02:18:57,679 --> 02:19:05,200
there in terms of, you know,
contribution, cooperation with those

1726
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:09,439
other partners. So I I'm I'm most
comfortable with what I can do.

1727
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:14,000
» Um because it's not a complete 18 pivot
from where we are, but it gets us on the

1728
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:19,040
right path.
>> I would prefer if if we do choose option

1729
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:23,599
two that we definitely highlight as a
pilot.

1730
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:28,719
I I think we need some time to see if it
works and we need to be able to have an

1731
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:34,000
out adjusted
>> and I think Jennifer correct me if I'm

1732
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:40,679
wrong. I think children council today
would have that

1733
02:19:37,439 --> 02:19:40,679
by changing

1734
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:52,960
it doesn't stop the other councils not
[snorts] only they've chosen as far as

1735
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:57,200
council to be res representative that
it's applying

1736
02:19:55,120 --> 02:20:01,200
» right [snorts] they if they're a
resident of the

1737
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:04,520
» township they can apply
Yeah. Yeah.

1738
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:12,880
» So I know that it's two members assigned
by Shelurn and then there's

1739
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:17,439
representatives from each municipalities
fill up the rest of the seats. Doesn't

1740
02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:21,920
stop them
representative. We're going to put an

1741
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:25,200
application in this person's name.
Whether they're chosen that's different,

1742
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:29,760
» right?
>> Right. when you when you look at costs

1743
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:34,240
like even with you know option two the
municipalities I think the bigger

1744
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:38,720
concern is going to be that this group
of people are going to bind them to a

1745
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:41,200
budget they have no control
>> right

1746
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:47,040
» that that's the reality
>> you know regardless of option you know

1747
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:51,439
two or three it's the same
not completely elimin you just accept it

1748
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:56,399
for what it is
>> but you know from what was presented

1749
02:20:53,920 --> 02:21:02,800
tonight by It's it's pretty clear that
there's a a return on investment that

1750
02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:07,680
you many have for years not necessarily
accepted or realized.

1751
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:13,840
So
I think option two gives you the the

1752
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:18,880
medium ground and you know if it doesn't
work you still have option three after.

1753
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:24,640
» Yeah. Yeah. And that was my my torn
between the two as well because I don't

1754
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:29,200
I don't want to be that municipality,
you know, like we need to have good

1755
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:34,319
neighbors, right? Like we need to be a
good neighbor. So I don't want to just,

1756
02:21:32,319 --> 02:21:38,080
you know, say too bad contribute to the
library, but you don't get any say. So

1757
02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:42,160
even at that, even if I went with option
three, I would say, is there a way to

1758
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:47,120
create some form of an advisory where
the other municipalities could once a

1759
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:52,319
year or something like that have a, you
know, a conversation with the CEO or the

1760
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:56,240
CEO and, you know, bring their concerns
or their questions or whatever. So it's

1761
02:21:54,160 --> 02:22:01,840
not like I wanted it just like by you
know what I mean, but it's just

1762
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:06,880
» Yeah, exactly. Right. Like just comment.
But it's it's just for me it's Shelurn

1763
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:11,120
contributes so much that it's hard when
you're looking budgetarywise or whatnot

1764
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:16,479
to have
the other municipalities.

1765
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:19,439
Again, I want their say, but
I don't know, maybe not as much say, you

1766
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:23,600
know what I mean?
>> They saying like there's something for

1767
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:26,720
them to ask or comment on or there still
is a system in place that that exists.

1768
02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:31,520
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. like the library is there to take

1769
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:35,040
whatever questions that need to be.
>> Yeah.

1770
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:39,200
» And remember there was
without mentioning which but there was

1771
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:41,120
municipalities that said we don't want
to put towards capital.

1772
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:43,120
» Yes.
>> We we're out of the capital.

1773
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:47,520
» Yes.
>> Well, that's not growing the base.

1774
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:48,479
That's not growing what needs to be
done.

1775
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:52,399
» Yeah.
>> So, you know, I think they've already

1776
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:56,880
said their piece. This is we're not
willing to do this. So somebody has to

1777
02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:59,760
and this represents the change of what
we have to do.

1778
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:03,439
» Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that was my
my main concern with theou that we

1779
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:07,680
created, right? Because I'm like what I
don't understand is you want now Shelurn

1780
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:13,120
and Shelurn residents to to spend 100%
of the capital cost but and I get it.

1781
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:17,040
you're contributing but your you know
your your people are coming in and

1782
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:19,600
they're using the elevator and they're
going to the bathroom and they're

1783
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:25,920
flushing the toilet and they're you know
so there are things that they are using

1784
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:31,280
that you know your your current
contributing amount is not now going to

1785
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:35,680
necessarily cover right you're you're
going to be covering more the

1786
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:42,880
operational part of it and so that was
my my big hangup on BMW [snorts] was I

1787
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:46,640
was like it's kind of not fair that you
guys still get to come in and again use

1788
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:52,160
our elevator and use our you know
facility as a whole but aren't now

1789
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:57,200
necessarily contributing to the wear and
tear that your people are going to still

1790
02:23:55,520 --> 02:24:01,120
put on the library right you're putting
that on shelter

1791
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:08,640
can't look at it that way because you've
got look at all our parks

1792
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:10,319
» millions of dollar parks and e right so
pay back on those. So

1793
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:13,040
» that's true.
>> You splash that.

1794
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:15,280
» Exactly. So,
>> I know. I guess it was just one thing

1795
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:19,120
that I was like,
>> you just

1796
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:23,280
» it's one more thing that, you know,
>> Shelurn as a whole, people who live here

1797
02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:28,399
who pay municipal taxes have to kind of
fund while there's a benefit to the

1798
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:32,479
municipalities around us that they don't
have to, right? And I was just like, so

1799
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:35,920
» hopefully when they're here using the
library or the parks, they're spending

1800
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:40,560
money to Oh, yeah.
>> supporting our local support, right? And

1801
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:43,520
I see so I see both sides of it but
sometimes I just get a little frustrated

1802
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:47,439
and then you know assuming other
probably shelter do too where they're

1803
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:53,680
like why will we have to always be the
one paying for everything right so yeah

1804
02:24:51,040 --> 02:25:01,520
so really the heart of the process that
we descended to was strictly

1805
02:24:57,200 --> 02:25:05,200
» it recognized a structure that wasn't
>> yes

1806
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:10,720
» and that because of that review
correction was required because it was

1807
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:15,359
not legislated in compant with how a
board is structured and as we said is

1808
02:25:13,359 --> 02:25:20,160
not a union public library and it
usually is a union public library that

1809
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:22,880
word union public library is usually on
the building

1810
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:27,120
» right so we've gone through all that we
exhausted that and the reason we're here

1811
02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:30,960
and we sort of stripped out the
inequities and some of the other things

1812
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:36,319
we recognize that you know theou was
probably the start of this analysis

1813
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:41,439
moving forward but
you know there there currently Is a lot

1814
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:47,200
of review being undertaken by our
municipal neighbors particularly to the

1815
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:53,040
south of us regarding frameworks equity
and taxation where one municipality's

1816
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:57,040
regional approach to provision of
service is being heavily subsidized by

1817
02:25:55,120 --> 02:26:03,920
that local taxpayer and that's there's
no that and that imbalance is is is

1818
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:08,080
common in smaller particular so to the
parks there's a great issue to other

1819
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:13,520
facilities ities where there's an
imbalance and say the non-resident fee

1820
02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:18,080
is is minuscule in terms of even
representing cover recoverable. Yeah.

1821
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:24,000
All of those things hopefully in the
future need to be addressed with service

1822
02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:28,000
deliver as opposed to like highle
statements without the data to support

1823
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:31,520
what that subsidy is and how those
operational facilities need to be

1824
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:35,359
supported or not and then
justifications. That's all part of

1825
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:39,200
transparency and accountability and I
see that you know there's going to be

1826
02:26:36,399 --> 02:26:44,160
more service areas that not want to
because the scarcity becomes the reality

1827
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:48,880
which is becoming more so every day for
us with the lack of DCS um we're going

1828
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:52,240
to have to start and I think somebody or
somebody made a comment about the

1829
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:57,280
efficiencies
that come through systems and those

1830
02:26:54,240 --> 02:27:00,800
aren't painful they are not punitive
they are simply productive and they're

1831
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:04,960
they put a lens on things that have
never been lensed

1832
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:09,120
And you find that you know the status
quo or the way we've done things there's

1833
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:12,240
opportunity to make change.
>> So I don't want to make this about I

1834
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:16,640
know I said this is difficult. There's
change but it's a required change.

1835
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:21,760
» Yeah. And it's been it's been I think
now

1836
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:26,640
2018 when we first dove into this,
right? And it's taken that week. Yeah.

1837
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:32,800
» Yeah. And and not not to say what I said
before. In my mind, option two gets us

1838
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:38,880
to in terms of that compliance and that
necessary change with the least amount

1839
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:42,319
of disruption for now.
Well,

1840
02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:45,479
you answered both of my questions in
your speech.

1841
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:53,520
» Yes. But but I I agree option two is
probably our best bet to get to as long

1842
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:57,680
as down the road we look at all the
serviceables and everything that go

1843
02:27:55,280 --> 02:28:04,080
along with it to make sure that
>> how we fund it gets funded the right

1844
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:09,680
way. You know what I mean? So if if
they decide everybody decides they're

1845
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:13,280
backing out and it's 100% shelter, then
how do we fund all this? We

1846
02:28:11,439 --> 02:28:17,200
strategically we have to start looking
at how

1847
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:20,319
out of town fees are applied and what
they're applied to and what they're

1848
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:23,280
applied on and all that kind of stuff.
So as long as all that's in here, I'm

1849
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:29,520
okay, too.
>> Yeah. So, I mean, I know Shannon

1850
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:37,120
addressed it, but the collaboration
since she's joined the team with county

1851
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:42,160
shelter staff has been like 7,000%.
There's such a connection between our

1852
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:47,840
recreation development, our events
program staff, our communication staff

1853
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:50,880
um that that energy with respect to
sharing of information which is only but

1854
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:54,880
I have a feeling some of that is
positive because the that outreach is

1855
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:59,359
now reaching a larger audience. So maybe
some of the membership is is a result of

1856
02:28:56,800 --> 02:29:03,840
that community connections, your
presence at events, our sharing of this

1857
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:08,800
information or our social media. That's
all positive. And in many ways, as we've

1858
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:13,920
talked, um there may be things in our
recreation plan, for example, that we

1859
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:17,680
won't need to do because we focused on a
dorm. We're focused on this because with

1860
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:21,120
this partner, there's a better
symbiosis.

1861
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:27,040
Is that the correct word? in terms of
that non-file and that lack of siloing

1862
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:29,359
has certainly been a benefit to the
community.

1863
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:32,399
» Yeah. And I think we're going to
continue to drive that kind of

1864
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:37,200
relationship and partnership in
everything we do. and the awareness of

1865
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:41,520
what they they provide, how well that's
received for the community, um is

1866
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:49,080
something that in the case of a funding
envelope gap, we would have to adjust.

1867
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:49,080
» I think the top

1868
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:55,272
want to make a motion counc
[clears throat]

1869
02:29:56,800 --> 02:30:03,760
that would be Mayor Hall. All right. So,
the motion will be to receive the report

1870
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:07,439
and that option two uh which we've
discussed at length be adopted and that

1871
02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:10,640
all representative serving on the
Shelurn Public Library for the next term

1872
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:14,399
of Shelurn public library board
commencing around January 1st 27 be

1873
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:19,280
directly appointed by the town of
Shelurn Council. town's committee and

1874
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:24,479
board appointment process and that an
establishing bylaw for Shelurn public

1875
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:31,040
library board be prepared by town staff
for the consideration and approval of

1876
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:36,160
council by the end of September 26. All
in favor

1877
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:42,160
it's carried. Okay, good. Thank you.
Good discussion.

1878
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:47,280
All right. And the last item is a bylaw
um for the town to execute an agreement

1879
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:52,479
between the town and integrated
maintenance and operation services inc

1880
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:55,720
which is the annual agreement that we
enter into

1881
02:30:57,280 --> 02:31:03,359
there. Any questions on that one?
>> Yes. Pretty straightforward.

1882
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:07,040
» Do it every year.
>> Yeah.

1883
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:12,880
» Motion to that
>> by Wagner. Seconded by sample. All in

1884
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:19,439
favor? It's carried. All right. So, we
do have one notice of motion

1885
02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:21,760
from councelor Wagner.
We don't want to consider that in the

1886
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:26,000
next meeting.
>> Uh, I don't know what's the procedure

1887
02:31:23,439 --> 02:31:30,000
for that. Did I submit it in time where
it can be voted on tonight or do we have

1888
02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:33,000
to
pre

1889
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:40,399
otherwise?
>> Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's whatever you

1890
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:43,280
guys want to do. It's it's it's kind of
it's not anything super sensitive,

1891
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:47,280
right? Like, it's not where I feel like
you guys would need like a couple weeks

1892
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:51,439
to ponder over it, but if you need to,
I'm okay with that, too,

1893
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:58,080
» cuz I'm your
I've been an advocate to say that if you

1894
02:31:54,640 --> 02:32:04,399
submit a motion, we should have the time
needed to review it, right? But with

1895
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:07,840
this one, it's pretty it's not anything
crazy. You know what I mean?

1896
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:10,960
» I'm fine. So yeah, is there any
objection to considering it tonight?

1897
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:15,120
» Okay.
>> No, there we go.

1898
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:20,319
» Is there a seconder then for councelor
Wagner's [clears throat] motion?

1899
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:23,760
» Council
and I'll just briefly sort of speak to

1900
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:26,479
it. I mean it, you know, obviously it's
a little bit lengthy. I don't really

1901
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:30,960
think I have to read the whole thing.
People can read it. Um but it it's just

1902
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:36,240
for the fact that um you know we're
growing and with our growing town, we

1903
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:39,760
need diagnostic services and and things
of that nature and you know it's great

1904
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:44,399
that we're getting a new um office
that's opening up with um you know bone

1905
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:51,280
density x-rays, ultrasounds, things like
that. Uh so to support that um you know

1906
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:55,600
we used to when we were a smaller town
have life labs um operating from I think

1907
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:59,760
it was 8:00 in the morning until 2:00 in
the afternoon and then all of a sudden

1908
02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:04,720
they just decided I guess it wasn't as
busy as they thought it was going to be

1909
02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:08,720
and they removed 2 hours. So um I put it
on myself to be like okay let me just

1910
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:13,520
see if I can email somebody and and ask
how do I try to advocate to get some

1911
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:18,160
hours back. Uh I spoke with Claudette
and uh she's our sort of regional um

1912
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:21,520
manager I guess you could say and we had
a little bit of a lengthy sort of

1913
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:28,080
conversation and and she said to be
honest she's already been advocating for

1914
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:33,280
this but what she needed from us um was
just some formal support right um

1915
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:40,080
community support having people in the
community email her to just give them

1916
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:44,640
their you know concerns over the lack of
you know extra hours or or you know

1917
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:49,439
ability to get in. I mean I know myself
now if I run get in there on a Saturday

1918
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:53,439
it's crazy like it is packed and before
I could just kind of walk in 20 minutes

1919
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:59,520
you sit there and you're out. Uh last
time I believe I waited almost two

1920
02:33:55,040 --> 02:34:03,680
hours. So um you know uh this is just
something that she can't make the

1921
02:34:01,359 --> 02:34:07,760
decision on. she has to have statistical
data that you know from requests and

1922
02:34:06,319 --> 02:34:11,840
things of that nature not only from
Shelurn but maybe even municipalities

1923
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:16,479
around us because we all know that the
municipalities around us are coming in

1924
02:34:13,439 --> 02:34:22,319
to use the life labs. So um you know
that helps her create a case for her

1925
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:27,920
bosses which also helps to create a case
to the province because there's multi

1926
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:32,960
levels in um you know something as
simple as adding a few hours.

1927
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:37,439
So, um, we did also discuss a little bit
about expansion as well, but the the

1928
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:47,600
first priority would be to just try to
get at least to 2:00 back. Um, ideally 4

1929
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:52,479
or 4:30 and do a full day every day. Um
so yeah so this is just sort of a formal

1930
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:56,640
you know we can say the council supports
this as well if we can share this with

1931
02:34:54,479 --> 02:35:00,319
the municipalities around us and maybe
have it on their um you know

1932
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:04,720
communications where they can pull it
and say hey yeah you know what our

1933
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:09,840
community uses this life labs and we
would actually like to support Shelurn

1934
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:14,399
in their advocacy for extended hours
>> and and it'll get circulated in the

1935
02:35:12,399 --> 02:35:18,479
something else that maybe on Thursday we
can just mention to the at least

1936
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:21,040
immediate surrounding municipalities
here.

1937
02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:25,920
» Yeah, that would be wonderful. So, yeah,
like it's it's nothing crazy, but it's

1938
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:30,520
just us saying we we want this for our
community.

1939
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:30,520
» Yeah, perfect. Okay,

1940
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:34,960
good.
>> Thanks, guys. [snorts]

1941
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:41,520
» All right, communications.
Else you can share. Uh number four and

1942
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:47,840
number 13.
four. I had actually put forward an

1943
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:54,319
emotion on this and uh kind of withdrew
it because Orangeville loans

1944
02:35:51,520 --> 02:36:00,640
uh passed the motion already. So this
would just be a motion of support for

1945
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:09,120
the uh county to undertake in a uh study
of uh the advantages and disadvantages

1946
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:15,040
of uh any potential application for a
data center. um

1947
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:19,439
just in regard to this consumption of
water resources, electricity demands,

1948
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:28,399
municipal servicing, land use, etc. Uh
so if we can uh get a letter of support

1949
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:30,160
uh to that motion and uh
address it at county.

1950
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:35,520
» Yeah.
>> So you'll move motion to support. Is

1951
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:39,600
there second?
Okay. Water is important.

1952
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:46,640
» All in favor?
>> Okay, perfect. And third 13

1953
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:51,840
uh just
uh it'll be the letter from the

1954
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:58,600
solicitor general uh informing us that
uh our 2027 calendar year um

1955
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:08,640
our costs will be uh could go up as high
as 11% uh compared to 2026 for

1956
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:13,920
servicing.
Uh, and I I just think we need to

1957
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:20,560
address or at least, you know, be aware
that we're not in control of necessarily

1958
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:24,960
coverage of our costs aside from the
contracts we entered into.

1959
02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:30,000
» Um, so
that's a bit of a sticker shock and uh,

1960
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:34,000
» and it's something to consider if we
need an enhancement. We discussed about

1961
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:38,560
an enhancement being on average around
$200,000, which is almost 2% of our

1962
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:44,840
budget. Yeah. So,
>> oh just just it's just a it's a bit of

1963
02:37:41,680 --> 02:37:44,840
an alarming

1964
02:37:47,359 --> 02:37:51,200
» number
>> information. I was going to say just an

1965
02:37:49,359 --> 02:37:54,738
alarming information update from our
solicitor general.

1966
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,738
» Yeah. [snorts]

1967
02:37:54,960 --> 02:38:00,880
» Okay.
>> Yep. The highlight. Okay.

1968
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:03,520
» For me. Anything else? Anybody?
>> No.

1969
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:10,160
» Okay. A motion then to receive the
remaining items.

1970
02:38:05,439 --> 02:38:15,520
Sample second by all in favor
by

1971
02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:22,200
Wagner and
all.

1972
02:38:17,120 --> 02:38:22,200
All in favor and a mot.

1973
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:32,160
I swear to God, I'm not