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» There you go. All right. Good evening

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everyone. Welcome to our regular council

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meeting for Monday, August the 24th. Uh

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before we get started, if you are able,

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I would ask you to stand and join us for

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our national

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» like to begin by respectfully

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acknowledging that the town of Shelurn

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resides in the traditional territory in

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the ancestral lands of Isishave,

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including the Ajiway, Padawatami,

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Chipua, and the people three fires

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confederacy. These traditional

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territories upon which we live, work,

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play, and learn are steeped in rich

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indigenous history and traditions. And

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it is with this statement that will

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declare to honor and respect past and

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present connection of indigenous peoples

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with this land, its waterways and

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resources.

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Are there any disclosures of pecuniary

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interest council tonight? Okay.

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On to our minutes from the July 13th

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council meeting. Can I have a motion to

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adopt those minutes as circulated by

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councelor Gardy, second by councelor

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sample. Discussion on those?

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All in favor? It's carried. All right.

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So the first item this evening is our

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planning public meeting. And tonight's

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public meeting is being held under

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section 34 of the planning act. and it

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is to consider an application for zoning

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bylaw amendment for the land zone

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municipally as 712 Main Street East in

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the town of Shelurn. Purpose in fact of

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the amendment is to add a sightsp

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specific provision to permit a private

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school on the subject property whereas

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the current zoning bylaw did not permit

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this use in the three C3 zone. I now ask

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the clerk to provide method of notice

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for tonight's meeting.

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>> Notice that tonight's public meeting is

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advertised in local media sources.

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notice have been posted on the town's

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website. Notice provided to property

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owners.

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» Great. Thank you. So, uh, as we normally

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do in these cases, we'll have a

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presentation uh from town planner

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following which there will be an

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opportunity for members of public as

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well as members of council to ask

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questions to provide comments and the

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clerk will also submit written

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submissions. uh any submissions that uh

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that are received whether written or

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oral here this evening will be given

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consideration by council prior to any

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decision being made. So with that Steve

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I will turn it over to you. Thank you

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mayor mouse and uh all the details of

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this application are in my report in the

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agenda package [clears throat] just to

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summarize those and go over the comments

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received I a few slides which are on the

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screen. Um we also have representatives

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for this application at le joining us

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either online or in the room. Um Nolan

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Bentley DH architects and Sarah Mile for

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the post private school.

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So the applicant was filed on behalf of

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the current owner of the property by DHR

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text. Um as the mayor mentioned it's for

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72 street east. Go to the next slide. It

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just shows the location.

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are familiar with this. Um the site to

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the east is just under construction for

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some fast food development and some

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retail space. Uh this site sits on the

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south edge of the industrial commercial

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area along road and industrial road to

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the north and uh the land of the south

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is is vacant with some residential homes

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uh proven to the southwest and the west.

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um well established commercial area

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although some transitions to new

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development and certainly some

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additional development opportunities

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future. Um the building itself has had a

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history of different uses. Um originally

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constructed I think for insurance office

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purposes we mutual insurance there for

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many years uh followed by some medical

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and pharmacy uses. Uh there was a site

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plan application uh about three or four

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years ago uh for some renovations of the

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basement for additional medical purposes

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but that was never finalized. Uh the

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medical uses have since relocated and

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the space become available. Um and those

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uses for a private school.

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um these are just a couple of street

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view images showing the existing

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building. It does have a shared access

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driveway with those developing

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commercial uses to east um on the north

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side of the highway. Uh that is in the

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MTO control portion of the highway. So

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um this change in use is being reviewed

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they have provided some comments that

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part of the front um parking area as

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ramp for accessibility into the

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another slide about the details of the

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proposed private school. Um but suffice

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it to say that the optin is identifying

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it would be entirely located within the

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existing building. Um and there wouldn't

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be other uses within the building. This

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be private school. Um there are three

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levels within the building. The basement

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is mainly unfinished. Um the main floor

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um would be a combination of classrooms

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and office and support rooms and the uh

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upper floor would be primarily

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classrooms as well and some additional

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support spaces. Um we've listed here

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based on the floor plans that we

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received through the application the

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details of all the rooms which are also

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detailed report. Um there is some

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venting posted and I have a copy of the

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site plan in in the slideshow as well.

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the children are are waiting to come

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into school or when they're released at

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the end of the day that that they aren't

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u you know they understand the limits of

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the property and and aren't able to to

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wander onto properties. And that was

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specifically proposed in response to

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what comments that we received from a nearby industrial land owner.

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Um so you can see the property location

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again here with the zoning map. Um the

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existing zoning u for this property and

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the properties nearby is service

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commercial C3 which permits a broad

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range of uses. Um it doesn't

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specifically permit private school

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though it does permit things like a

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commercial school. So there was a bit of

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interpretation of the bylaw required and

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some discussion with the applicant to

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determine which definition of the bylaw

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this falls under a private school. The

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distinction is is that it's it's mainly

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for academic purposes. Um essentially

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similar to a public uh school um for uh

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children um versus a commercial school

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is more along lines. It could be um a

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piano studio or something that is not

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necessarily all day with many different

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classrooms and specific academic

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teaching curriculum but more oriented to

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specialized commercial uh learning

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opportunities. Um and the zoning viol as

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I say only permitted the commercial

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school and doesn't doesn't permit a

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public school or private school

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currently. So the request is just to add

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to the list of permitted uses to prevent

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private school. Um, I would say too that is a distinction provinially and

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for example, the regulations that govern

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retailing, they aren't required to be

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buffered a certain distance for things

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like piano studios and commercially run

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um schools of that type, but they are

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for, you know, K& private public

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schools. So, that is one of the one of

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the considerations for this application.

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So the specific um proposed school use

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is by design learning center or BDLC.

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Orangeville um and are looking to

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relocate to the to the building

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specifically because it's better suited

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to their operations. Um you know the the

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overall interior space is well suited um

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as identified by the applicant. Um the

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location as well is desirable in terms

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of meeting local needs within Shelurn

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and its immediate surroundings. And um

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you'll see attached in my report there's

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a letter from the applicant that

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provides some of the indicators of

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demand um why there is no similar you

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know private school within town

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currently. So this would be the first of

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its kind to to serve those types of

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transportation just given the location.

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been identified in previous studies with

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area traffic flows growing traffic at

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the intersection of Highway 89 and kind

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of the floor. Um that is a full move

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access that mutual driveway that's

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shared among those properties. um but

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could be challenging to be used on a

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daily basis by a school bus which

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obviously requires a bit more time to

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navigate turns and um there were some

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safety considerations as well if kids

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are being picked up or dropped off in

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the bus uh in front of that property.

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applicant confirmed that there would be

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no school provided transportation be

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strictly parents and guardians dropping

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off and picking up kids. the MTO would

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does request more has requested more

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information including a bit of a traffic

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brief to look at that um just to

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understand better the volume of cars

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that would be going in and out. However,

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from our assessment um we feel it would

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be very similar to the past uses just

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based on the number of classrooms and

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number of kids that could accommodate

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the number of staff. In fact, it might

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even be a bit less. Um if you took for

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example the parking requirement under

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the zoning bylaw the number of

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classrooms identified and

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the zoning requirement is 1.5 spaces

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classroom only 14 spaces are required

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and there's actually 38 spaces on site.

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much more intensive oriented use um in

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terms of its space and its number of

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parking spaces provided.

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school. There are nine classrooms then

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identified in plans provided. Um, and

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the capacities range from the

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kindergarten room, which is the highest,

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which makes sense if you're going to

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start kids into a private school. You

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start at the very early age, first grade

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that they enter, and then to the grade

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one to grade eight classrooms or smaller

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housing smaller.

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Um if you go to the next slide,

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this is the site plan provided as

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prepared by DNH architects. Um I've just

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highlighted in red. Really the only

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change that's proposed is to put that

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fencing in and that was added after the

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original submission. So the plan that's

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attached to my report actually didn't

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show that. Um but again in response to

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some comments from an industrial land

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owner to the north. This would just make

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absolutely sure that there's no way for

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students to wander off the property onto

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the commercial properties on either side

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or the industrial properties.

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Um but with that said, you know, the

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outdoor is proposed to remain as is.

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There's no new outdoor play areas

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proposed to be added or outdoor learning

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areas. Um so really the only time the

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kids would be outside is during those

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drop off and picked up times. Um so

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parking in Yeah.

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Um this drawing also shows where the

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existing parking is located. There's

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more parking spaces actually delineated

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on the site than what are shown here.

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They wrap all the way around the

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building. Um but this is just

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illustrating how it meets the parking

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requirement and outside of that fenced

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area.

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Next slide. So just circling back to the

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Ministry of Transportation review of

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this. They did not object to the

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approval of the zoning application. In

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fact, they have their own approval

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mechanism. So, um even if council were

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to approve the zoning tonight, that

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doesn't alleviate the applicant's

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responsibility to meet the MTO

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requirements and obtain whatever

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permissions the NTO may require under

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the public highway and transportation

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improvement act. Um

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so again, the NTO did request a bit more

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information about the traffic

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circulation. The applicant has uh

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identified they would provide that

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information and was working on that and

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just a bit more information requested by

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MTO as well to show the specific um site

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circulation plans. So where would the

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students be dropped off where would they

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pick be picked up and I think the thing

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that MTO is like most interested in is

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how much queuing space is then provided

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similar to when like the drive-throughs

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were provide were being planned on the

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site to the east. They just need to make

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sure that there's not going to be a line

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of car that backs up interferes with the

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traffic on the highway. And from our

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review, there's plenty of room on the

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site and in the driveways to accommodate

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that.

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Um there is a traffic assessment intake

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form that was specifically required by

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NTO as well and that has been completed

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by the order will be submitted by the

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next slide.

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So again, I mentioned that uh in Atlanta

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to the north, specifically Shelber

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Memorials at 709 Industrial Road had

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some questions um about um the

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compatibility of the use with the

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industrial area. And the comments were

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more about um access and making sure

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that people can't um move from the edges

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of the property onto adjoining property

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where there could be safety concerns

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with respect to trucking, industrial

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activity, but also um to do with noise.

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And um this was studied to some degree

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when the the residential subdivision at

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600 Main Street was planned and there

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were noise studies. And what that found

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is that the uses that are um in the

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surrounding vicinity in the commercial

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industrial area on industrial actually

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don't generate a lot of exterior noise.

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It's a lighter industrial area and

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nothing that requires specific noise

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mitigation in that case. Um we also u

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responded to this um when order just to

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indicate that um everything would be

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inside the building again. So um if

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there are noise sensitivities it

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wouldn't relate to any outdoor use.

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Uh the next slide.

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Um we received this comment today just

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from the former tenant of the building

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who had expressed to staff and I think

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to counsel previously some of the

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concerns about the conditions within the

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building. Um in this case um that was

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identified as part of the

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pre-conultation where the owner was

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present for the meeting and um they were

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identifying that they would make sure

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that everything is compliant with the

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required codes and safety measures. Um

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this would be obviously a requirement

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through the county building department.

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We have made them aware and shared with

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them the prior concerns as well just to

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ensure that there's proper inspection

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mechanisms to ensure that everything is

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safe. But ultimately it is up to the

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school operator and for the owner to

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work together to ensure everything is

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safe and in good working order for for

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the students and um certainly for this

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type of use that will be um a critical

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element of of having kids safely

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accommodated parents satisfied that

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that's the case. Um don't get into the

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details of the issues that are

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identified here. There's a there's quite

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a list of them, but those have been

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related and shared with uh with the

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applicants and as I mentioned at the

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beginning, the applicant is an

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architect, so they're aware of the

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requirements and ensure this complies

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with all um code requirements.

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Next slide.

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I mentioned this at the beginning, but

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um back a few years ago when the

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legislation was proposed to require

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licensing for uh Canada's retailing, um

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one of the requirements of those

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regulations was that new Canada's retail

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operations could not be located within

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150 meters of the school. And again,

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that covers both uh private and public

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schools. Um so we did this map at that

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time to illustrate the 1150 buffer

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around the existing schools. Um what's

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shown here is that by introducing a

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private school as a permitted and um

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active use on this property would extend

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the Centennial Highlands uh buffer a

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little bit further north um including

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covering properties one of which already

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has a cannabis retail operation. So we dug into the mechanics of that. Um

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the buffer doesn't operate to displace

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an existing cannabis retail operation.

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They can continue there. But we did make

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that owner aware that if that cannabis

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retail operation were a cease operation,

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a private school is active when they try

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to reestablish where operator comes in.

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That would be the indication is that it

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can no longer be back. The town other

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than mapping this out doesn't have any

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regulatory role or um say in any of

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this. Those are just provincial

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requirements and they use them to

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establish who can get a license if um

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just for the purposes of illustration on

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this map. We did identify that there's

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four existing locations with red dots in

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town and only the ones within me

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zone that would result from this change

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in value per uses.

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The next slide.

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Okay. So, just to wrap up with a few

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next steps. Um, tonight we're obviously

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here to receive any comments and

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questions from the council and the

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public and do our best to respond to

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that. Um you'll see the recommendation

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in my report is to subject to those

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comments and questions um in

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consideration to enacting the proposed

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zoning bylaw amendment. Um the bylaw is

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included in the agenda package is number

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31-2026.

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Very straightforward bylaw. Again just

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adds private school as a permitted use.

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Um following that uh once council makes

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a decision with respect to the

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application there's a notice of decision

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that goes out. um to a list of agencies

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and everybody who's provided comments.

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That notice has to go within 15 days of

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the decision. Following that, from the

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date of notice, there's a 20-day appeal

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period. Only specified persons under the

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planning act can appeal to the Ontario

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Land Tribunal. Um I won't go through

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that. It's a lengthy list, but um that

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will be something that be reviewed in

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the event of an appeal. Um as I

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mentioned the applicant's responsible to

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ensure that NTO requirements are

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addressed and then ultimately final

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accordingly will be available um subject

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to there being no appeals

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which are subject to a paper decision

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from council um following the final

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approval and the M2 approvals at that

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time a useful approval building permit

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can then be issued for the interior

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recommendations and if there's some

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significant building or or elsewhere um

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find permit to ensure compliance with

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the useful sign by all would be required

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as well.

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Um so that's my report and um I'll pause

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here for any questions or comments.

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>> Great. Thanks Steve. U because the

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applicants are here I'll I'll give you

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sort of first opportunity if you want to

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offer any comments. No pressure but but

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if you do those are certainly more of

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the problems.

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>> Sure. I'm Sarah Maya and um I thought

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I'd pack pack the house [laughter]

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>> into the overflow room

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>> the theater. Um so this is my father Bob

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and Tatish

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is the owner. We're we're like a joint

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venture with the school. This is my

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husband Mark and he's the actual

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principal of the school um and the

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formal educator and these are two of our

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four children

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and this is the professional Nolan with

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Dickson and Pick. So if you can um add

520
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comment but just a couple things. Thank

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you Steve for your report. um since our

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application because it's a it's really

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tricky. I I'm confined by a school year

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as you can appreciate and um ideally I I

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would have started this in January and

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given myself lots of time. Um but I

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didn't know about the space. The teach

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did not put it on market and it's um

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through a great series of events that we

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were able to connect and it wasn't until

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June. So, we're working as quickly as we

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can. Um, and part of the trouble is

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ideally we'd want to start a school year

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in September at this location. That's

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not going to happen. Um, but the sooner

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we can do it, the better for routines

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and and for ease of families and staff.

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Um, so we were putting in the

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application as quickly as we can. And I

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just wanted to make mention state to

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your report. One of the things we have

542
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partnered with the stream um who I think

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you're all familiar with um they have

544
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such a great reputation here in town but

545
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they would assist us in the before and

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after school program and that's an

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important piece to our school and it

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actually becomes quite helpful in

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addressing the concerns of the MTO

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because not all our students arrive at

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one time and not all depart at one time

552
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,120
and lots of children need care outside

553
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:54,080
the school hours. Um and because of that

554
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,640
partnership, we had the opportunity to

555
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:00,320
use a 10seater passenger van. So while

556
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,720
you said there's no um transportation

557
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,960
provided by the school, um probably

558
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,159
initially we would be um especially

559
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:10,720
assisting families who have come from uh

560
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,720
south part of the county like maybe

561
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,440
Orangeville area, we we could bring up

562
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,000
10 students. Again, very helpful in

563
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,720
addressing concerns raised by the MTO.

564
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,559
So that was just one little thought. I

565
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:23,679
just thought, "Oh, that's new

566
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:26,880
information." And I forget just the

567
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,960
schedule of all the information going

568
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,760
through. Um I don't know if there's more

569
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,279
than one I

570
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:34,559
>> Yeah. No, I don't think there's too much

571
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:36,480
more. I think Steve's report is very

572
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,960
comprehensive. Um you're asking for a

573
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,840
private school designation be added to

574
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,440
C3 that already has a commercial school.

575
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:52,149
Um

576
00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:57,750
We're asking foration

577
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,880
questions from council.

578
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,679
>> Hi, welcome. Um, thanks Steve for his

579
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:05,279
presentation. You had mentioned

580
00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,279
preschool and after school programs and

581
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,520
partnering streams. Um,

582
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,960
are you considering also at some point

583
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,120
in time daycare in the future? This is

584
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,760
not going to have a daycare. whether

585
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:18,640
strictly we

586
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,200
>> it would be JK because they're right

587
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,000
>> but yeah are a whole new

588
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,039
>> they're a whole different

589
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:26,960
>> different animal no I understand that's

590
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,440
why I asked um

591
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,840
>> and I mean you know like um I mean

592
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,840
streams has an excellent reputation as

593
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,840
well for their programs are you

594
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,679
partnering with streams in terms of

595
00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:41,200
content or is it is it going to be two

596
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,960
separate entities technically within

597
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,000
the building Great question. So, yeah,

598
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,120
the fun for Mark and I this summer has

599
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,600
been to just see the alignment with

600
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,919
Andrew and Julie, right in programming,

601
00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:58,240
but actually our values align. So, they

602
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,159
have five values. We have three and

603
00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:01,679
three of them are the same.

604
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:04,720
>> So, that's exciting. And um our learning

605
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,880
model for by design learning center if

606
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,799
you were curious and I think it might be

607
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:13,200
in the report we [clears throat] have a partnership also with M's academy

608
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,120
which is based out of Alberta and they

609
00:26:15,120 --> 00:26:17,840
coined the phrase profound learning. So

610
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,240
our desire is that kids are engaged in

611
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,880
learning. A lot of kids go to school and

612
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
by grade one or two like I have to go to

613
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,559
school. But when they were three or

614
00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,720
four, they were really excited about

615
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,200
letters and numbers and that kind of

616
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,840
breaks my heart as a mom. So, so

617
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,880
profound learning is bit more hands-on

618
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,880
and smaller class sizes are a part of

619
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,440
it, but that actually is a perfect fit

620
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,760
with the streams which is, you know,

621
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919
like activities and opportunities and

622
00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:49,360
hands-on and the arts and um yeah, being

623
00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:50,080
busy.

624
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:51,200
>> Retired teacher.

625
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,400
>> Oh, good. Good. You know,

626
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,120
>> I get it. That's why. Okay. Um, okay.

627
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:58,159
Thanks. I just curious what if there

628
00:26:58,159 --> 00:26:59,840
were two separate handh or if it was

629
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,080
going to be like a cooperation between

630
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,720
the two. Yeah, we will on our program

631
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840
and which you know kind of starts at 9

632
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,200
and goes to 3:15 but we will overlap

633
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:12,799
like Andrew and Julian we've already

634
00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,480
talked about shared programming on

635
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,240
Friday afternoons on field trips um some

636
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,960
of their staff helping us at times and

637
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,520
we have very artistic staff as well so

638
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,400
they'll visit the streets. Yeah.

639
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,960
>> Thanks.

640
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,029
>> Yeah.

641
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:33,360
» Um yes. So for me, um I think it's a

642
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,640
great idea. Um I I am glad um that you

643
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,000
mentioned because I was obviously going

644
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,360
to bring up the new [clears throat]

645
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:40,960
concerns brought forward with regards to

646
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,120
the condition of the building. Um so I

647
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:45,120
am happy that you're going to be

648
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,159
engaging county in order to have um you

649
00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:49,600
know inspections and whatnot and make

650
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,360
sure that we pass. We don't want mold.

651
00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:53,200
We don't you know we want a functioning

652
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,440
proper elevator things of that nature.

653
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,960
Um so that's great that that because

654
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,000
that was going to be one of my questions

655
00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,679
like what are you doing to to do that?

656
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:02,159
So, I'm glad that that's um being held.

657
00:28:02,159 --> 00:28:06,720
Um so, no playground outside or a gym.

658
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,520
What What would you I mean, I understand

659
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,520
that art is great and we don't want to

660
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:12,960
force, you know, sports on kids or

661
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200
anything, but we know a four-year-old

662
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,760
has a lot of energy, right? So, I'm just

663
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,520
worried that, you know, recess and

664
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,640
things like that should happen.

665
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,960
Obviously, we want outdoor time, right?

666
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,279
So, is there a plan for for sort of like

667
00:28:25,279 --> 00:28:27,919
a a bit of a playground eventually or is

668
00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:30,000
the basement going to kind of be a gym,

669
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,559
you know, something to just let them

670
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,320
>> let loose of it? [laughter]

671
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,679
>> Absolutely. Kids have energy and I I

672
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,480
wasn't aware that there's like no kids

673
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,200
inside. We will have this fenced in area

674
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,480
and we might do staggered recess. I

675
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760
actually stayed in your or the noise

676
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,000
like that was all new to me. I I had

677
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,440
never heard of that before so I

678
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,960
apologize but um like we are a small

679
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,440
school right now we have maybe 35

680
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,840
students numbers change a lot this time

681
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,840
of year um we hope to grow but we'll

682
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,880
never like it'll be around 80 students

683
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,679
um that's what we see as a good fit for

684
00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:14,720
the building the space so we we in the

685
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,120
site plan that Steve put up it shows

686
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,600
fencing and the fencing we have a a

687
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,320
dream of this really nice looking

688
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,520
composite and seat around the perimeter.

689
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,200
I don't want balls going into the

690
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,039
drive-thru lane cuz right now there's a

691
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:30,960
drive-thru lane and that I think that

692
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,640
would be a terrible shock to the guy at

693
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,480
Taco Bell. So

694
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,480
>> then I also don't want balls going to

695
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,240
the um the garage behind us and I I'll

696
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200
be the one or going to get all the balls

697
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,600
and so that could get exhausting. So I

698
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,520
that's a consideration and maybe we put

699
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,080
a net. I know 7 ft is the height of a

700
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,120
fence for Shelurn right now. Um so

701
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,880
that's the perimeter, but then across

702
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,120
the parking lot you'll see we have

703
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,440
fencing and the green space directly

704
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,640
beside the buildings.

705
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,039
>> Yeah.

706
00:30:01,039 --> 00:30:03,840
>> Um which we actually would like to put

707
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,399
um like artificial turf.

708
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:09,760
>> It's just destroyed grass and mud

709
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,080
becomes a real issue. Um but it looks

710
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,320
nice. We want this to look great.

711
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,000
>> Yeah, it's a private school. They both

712
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,919
have the standard of course we want to

713
00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:18,799
deliver,

714
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:20,799
>> but the fencing would be sort of in your

715
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:23,440
mind if you picture like black picket

716
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:24,480
fencing,

717
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,760
>> not with the spikes because that's

718
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,559
dangerous, but a nice top, but the gates

719
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:30,720
would open. So, a vehicle could still

720
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,960
drive around without any trouble. So, in

721
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,120
the enclosed fence area, we've been

722
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,080
looking at products to have um courts.

723
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,679
There's no need for a playground

724
00:30:39,679 --> 00:30:41,440
structure when there's two beautiful

725
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,480
parks very close by. Fiddle park and and

726
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,159
green wood park. Um but we would have,

727
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:50,880
you know, four square they hit

728
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,399
basketball nets. Yep.

729
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:56,399
>> Um again, we're not big. So yeah, and

730
00:30:56,399 --> 00:30:58,559
basement would be it's a perfect area

731
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,039
for energy kids on rainy days. And even

732
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,679
um with the streams, they do a lot of

733
00:31:05,679 --> 00:31:07,520
productions. I think they they did know

734
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,720
not too long ago Judy Judy Jones and

735
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,200
they need um places to do choreography

736
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,720
and dance and so it's an open basement

737
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,320
but um to facilitate um groups to be

738
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,159
able to use that. That would be the

739
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:22,799
plan.

740
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:24,159
>> Perfect. Okay. Yeah, because that was

741
00:31:24,159 --> 00:31:25,840
just my only concern. I was kind of like

742
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,360
I was like all teaching is inside and

743
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,600
I'm like oh my gosh is this a prison?

744
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,559
Like what is going on here? Right. So

745
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:34,320
I'm actually glad to hear that there

746
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,399
will be children outside. Um, I think

747
00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:38,559
it, unless I'm wrong, Steve, with the,

748
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,720
you know, relation or or whatnot to

749
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,880
sound. I think it was more that maybe

750
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,200
the memorial was worried that they would

751
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,559
be too loud for the pool.

752
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:47,039
>> That's right.

753
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:48,399
>> Yeah. Okay. That's what I thought. So,

754
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:50,000
not that the kids are going to be Yeah,

755
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,600
cuz you were kind of like, "Oh, no, no,

756
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,559
it's not that the kids are going to be

757
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:54,080
too loud. It's that they would be too

758
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,840
loud for the learning happening in the

759
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,679
school." So, um, which I I think. So um

760
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:01,600
>> yeah, we didn't have any information

761
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,559
that

762
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,960
>> from prior noise studies that there was

763
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,200
any perceptible noise from their

764
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,039
operations of the group 5.

765
00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:13,760
>> I drive by there. I never care. So I

766
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,360
would assume that that's an issue. So

767
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:16,720
and I mean a couple of kids laughing.

768
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,080
That's a good sound. So

769
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:20,399
>> I think waste that area may be the

770
00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:21,679
outdoor vacuum clean.

771
00:32:21,679 --> 00:32:23,919
>> Yeah. Yeah.

772
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:26,720
>> Yeah. For sure. Um, so is it the

773
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,799
intention to share space with screens

774
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,080
eventually?

775
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,480
>> Yeah, like it's a perfect fit because

776
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,080
our programming I guess I said 9. Yeah,

777
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,039
we're there at 8:30

778
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,679
and we're there till like 3:30 or 4 and

779
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:44,320
the streams um could offer before school

780
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,120
programming starting at 7:30 and then

781
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,919
they they go in a little bit later. But

782
00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:52,159
it's a great fit because they also run

783
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:54,480
like a camp at March break for summer

784
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,279
camps and I we don't have use of the

785
00:32:57,279 --> 00:32:59,600
building then, right? So we've had a lot

786
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,240
of negotiations with them but just about

787
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,080
is it best to give you this half of the

788
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,080
door like that's all yours and this is

789
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,159
ours but actually we've come to see no

790
00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:11,600
we want to share. We'll have a couple

791
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,159
locked up closets but actually we do

792
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:17,440
similar activities and um we're pretty

793
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,760
excited. I actually could have pictured

794
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,919
one perfect I didn't know people like

795
00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:25,200
them existed. I'm so excited. [laughter]

796
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080
We're lucky to have Yeah. Like the and

797
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,519
their heart for the community. So they

798
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:33,679
had a dream of maybe starting a school

799
00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:36,240
because they saw a need and we're not

800
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,480
against public schools. Mark got his

801
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,720
foot in the door in the public education

802
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,200
but just options are good for families

803
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,519
and so we the gift is they don't have to

804
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,320
start school. will come alongside and

805
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,720
they assist us because we've been asked

806
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,279
to do day camps and I don't want to do

807
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,000
day camps. So, it's a good

808
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,559
>> perfect.

809
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:01,840
Any other questions for council?

810
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,399
Any questions from the public who aren't

811
00:34:04,399 --> 00:34:06,159
in the room

812
00:34:06,159 --> 00:34:08,720
that can hear?

813
00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:13,200
No. No. Okay. All right. Well, um, yeah,

814
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,440
I to your point, I think for a growing

815
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,919
community and providing more options for

816
00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:20,000
families to consider is always good

817
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,240
thing. So, I'm certainly very supportive

818
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of this and also do

819
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anybody want to go ahead and make motion

820
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:34,869
by council. by circardy.

821
00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,320
All right. So the motion will read, "Be

822
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,480
it resolved the council receive report

823
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,240
P2026-11

824
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:44,159
as information and that bylaw 31-2026

825
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,240
being a bylaw to amend zoning bylaw

826
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:47,760
38207

827
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,399
is amended by reszoning the lands known

828
00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:53,760
municipally as 712 Main Street East as

829
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,760
described legally as part one concession

830
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,989
to old survey subject to right away

831
00:34:57,989 --> 00:35:00,240
[clears throat] parts one to four on

832
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:02,560
reference plan 7R51

833
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,440
town of Shelurn County Duff from service

834
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,119
commercial C3 zone to service commercial

835
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:13,680
uh exception which will now be C3-2 zone

836
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,000
as shown on schedule A1 to the bylaw to

837
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,079
be read a first second and third time

838
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:21,839
and finally passed any final discussion

839
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:25,430
all in favor

840
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,280
congratulations so good good luck with

841
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,599
the process I know there's still some

842
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,280
other hurdles to overcome but

843
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,004
>> we'll have an opening

844
00:35:34,014 --> 00:35:34,560
» [laughter]

845
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,990
>> to it.

846
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,040
» Thank you.

847
00:35:39,040 --> 00:36:10,790
for shower.

848
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:25,430
They're

849
00:36:25,440 --> 00:37:02,790
a good

850
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,960
Okay. So, so the next uh item on the

851
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,760
agenda is public question period. Uh,

852
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:24,390
are there any questions from anybody?

853
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,599
No, nothing was submitted. Okay,

854
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:29,680
texting. Okay, so we can roll right into

855
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:33,200
our presentation then. So happy to uh

856
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,800
introduce Janon Grady who's the CEO of

857
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,880
our

858
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,400
library

859
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,000
and I think you brought some support

860
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,760
with you which is good. So anyways uh

861
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:53,280
welcome to the hot seat such as it is. I pro I promise Shannon it's a friendly audience.

862
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,880
Um yeah let Alice give your presentation

863
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,560
up there and I'll turn it over to you.

864
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,320
I'll get that loaded for us. I Milford.

865
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,240
I'm the CEO of the Shel Public Library.

866
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,520
So, I've been in the role for about 10

867
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:08,880
months now, but I'm still going to be

868
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,119
with you for a little while longer.

869
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,720
>> Stretch it out as long as you can.

870
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,000
>> Yeah. And it's been a pleasure getting

871
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,000
to know the residents and town staff as

872
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,760
we begin to work closely together to

873
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,240
serve the community. So today my goals

874
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:21,920
are to highlight the breadth of library

875
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,400
services, share the economic benefit of

876
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,320
our services and the social return on

877
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,160
investment and then present a glimp of

878
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,240
our goals for the future. I'm going to

879
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,800
start by showing a video demonstrate the

880
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:42,550
impact of authoriz.

881
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,640
We're at the library every week, every

882
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,800
single week. Whether it's school time or

883
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,520
during summer, [music]

884
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,839
>> you meet so many interesting people,

885
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:52,320
every demographic, families, the moms

886
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,320
with the babies on the hips. You know,

887
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200
there's videos, programs, there's books.

888
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,960
>> You can use the computers here for

889
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,800
whatever you need. There's also [music]

890
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,880
passes that let you go to places like

891
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,960
the ROM and Island Lake. The [music]

892
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960
staff that work here, they're kind,

893
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,680
helpful.

894
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,180
>> They really do take the time to invest

895
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:10,720
[music]

896
00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:13,040
in individuals. They always found a way

897
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,680
to personalize my experience, my

898
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,119
children's experience.

899
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:18,800
>> They're amazing.

900
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:20,240
>> The Shelurn [music] Public Library is a

901
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,320
place where possibilities begin. It's a

902
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,320
place where a child's curiosity becomes

903
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,640
a lifelong love of learning, where ideas

904
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,507
become innovations, where neighbors

905
00:39:28,507 --> 00:39:30,480
[music] become friends, where everyone

906
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,359
is welcome and everyone belongs. We like

907
00:39:33,359 --> 00:39:35,200
to say that books are just the beginning

908
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,200
of all we offer. [music] From internet

909
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,160
access, work and study space, passes to

910
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,640
places like museums and parks, programs

911
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,960
and events for all ages, the Shelurn

912
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,847
Public Library is a place of discovery,

913
00:39:46,847 --> 00:39:49,280
[music] creativity, opportunity, and

914
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,560
connection.

915
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,960
>> Combating isolation as you get older, I

916
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,362
think, is huge. And a program like this

917
00:39:55,362 --> 00:39:57,599
[music] reaches out to the community.

918
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:01,040
And I see the library as reaching out to

919
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,480
all aspects of community. get crafty

920
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,920
program. We have it on Tuesday

921
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,040
afternoons from 1 till 3:30. It's very

922
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,560
social. We encourage people to come even

923
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,320
if they're not going to craft. Get out

924
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,040
of the house and, you know, come and

925
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,760
enjoy. Some programs that I have [music]

926
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,839
attended at the Shelurn Public Library

927
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,640
are junior librarians,

928
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,000
Lego club, book club, bingo, and the

929
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,240
teen advisory board that they host. It's

930
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,640
fun. I get to interact with other kids

931
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,720
my age and I get to help my public

932
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,000
library. [music]

933
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,720
>> Our impact reaches far beyond our walls.

934
00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:40,400
Every investment in the library delivers

935
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,480
lasting returns, [music] a more informed

936
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,960
community, a stronger local economy,

937
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,453
more equitable access to opportunity,

938
00:40:46,453 --> 00:40:47,359
[music]

939
00:40:47,359 --> 00:40:49,440
healthier and more connected residents

940
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,000
and a higher quality of life for all.

941
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,160
I approached the library in regards to

942
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,720
setting up a literacy program and they

943
00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:00,079
welcomed my idea with open arms and we

944
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:02,960
were able to work with families in the

945
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,240
Shelurn area who needed support. And now

946
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:07,760
that I work with seniors in the

947
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,160
community, I really advocate for not

948
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,079
only the library um for them to come

949
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:13,599
into the library but for what the

950
00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:15,200
library can do for them. [music] The

951
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,359
services that are available here.

952
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:18,880
Programs in the library during the

953
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,400
summer club, they're are completely

954
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,240
free. They have all the materials that

955
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,920
they need here to do whatever crafting

956
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,680
or whatever activity and everything is

957
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:26,880
provided by the library.

958
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,480
>> To me, [music] the best kept secret of

959
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,359
the library is it's free. I mean, other

960
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:32,960
than if you're going to use the service

961
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,720
like faxing or something like that, it's

962
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,880
your tax dollar of work for [music] you.

963
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:38,640
It's super easy to make friends here.

964
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,880
Everybody's kind, respectful, and easy

965
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,119
to talk to. I have learned better

966
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,200
cooperation, better teamwork, and better

967
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,880
leadership. I've just become a better

968
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,720
person in general by coming to the clubs

969
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:51,839
here. the friendly faces, welcoming

970
00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:52,720
smiles.

971
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,580
>> It's more like a family and that is

972
00:41:54,580 --> 00:41:55,839
[music] a beautiful feeling.

973
00:41:55,839 --> 00:41:57,839
>> The Shelurn Public Library isn't just a

974
00:41:57,839 --> 00:41:59,760
place to visit. It's an investment in

975
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:13,190
our shared future. [music]

976
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,280
Hey, [laughter]

977
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,800
>> for some context for the video, I

978
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,400
reached out to community members and

979
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,160
patrons of ours to see if they'd be

980
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:21,920
willing to go on camera and just share a

981
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,119
little bit about the impact that the

982
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,880
library has on them. And the

983
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,880
videographers advised that I do not give

984
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,319
them interview questions in advance

985
00:42:28,319 --> 00:42:29,760
because it makes them nervous and then

986
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,200
they'll talk to a script and it won't be

987
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,440
as candid. So, they did all of that

988
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,119
candidly. I wasn't in the room for their

989
00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:36,560
conversation. So, everything they said

990
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,079
was a surprise to me when I got to see

991
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,319
the the first round of the video. So

992
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:43,839
pretty special to to hear that stories.

993
00:42:43,839 --> 00:42:47,440
Very cool. Next slide.

994
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,359
So I was hoping in the video to show you

995
00:42:49,359 --> 00:42:51,200
that Shelurn Public Library is the place

996
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,079
where possibilities begin and a core

997
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,240
part of our service is programming for

998
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,510
all ages.

999
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,520
Uh so in order to enhance our program

1000
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,839
delivery beyond our staff capacity, a

1001
00:43:03,839 --> 00:43:05,920
big part of what we do in libraries and

1002
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,760
shelter public library is to develop

1003
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,079
strategic partnerships with residents,

1004
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:12,000
businesses, governments, and community-

1005
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,079
based organizations. Whether it's

1006
00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:15,839
providing these partners with states to

1007
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:17,119
deliver programs that are mutually

1008
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,280
beneficial to both of our strategic plan

1009
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,040
or working together to achieve our

1010
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,520
shared goals. So this year, due to a

1011
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,440
slight restructuring of our team and

1012
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,040
some new community partnerships that we

1013
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,895
were able to develop, we increased

1014
00:43:28,895 --> 00:43:30,319
[clears throat] our program offerings by

1015
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:33,280
42%. And this is just January to June.

1016
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,119
So comparison comparing this that time

1017
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,520
period to last year's

1018
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,079
um and as a result we saw 70% increase

1019
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,560
in attendance. So already this year

1020
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:46,560
we've had over 3,800 people attend 183

1021
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,079
programs. And all of these programs are

1022
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:49,839
free. You don't need a library card to

1023
00:43:49,839 --> 00:43:51,359
attend.

1024
00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:53,599
July was a record-breaking month for us.

1025
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,160
So, not captured here, but we hosted 64

1026
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,079
events and had over a thousand people

1027
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,720
attend. So, in addition to our programs

1028
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:02,560
that we host in the library, we also

1029
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,800
host dozens of class visits. So, we have

1030
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,160
relationships with all of the local

1031
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,000
elementary schools and they all come

1032
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,400
regularly for visits to the library. We

1033
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,480
also attend school and community events.

1034
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,720
So, we were at the Grand Open Park. We

1035
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:16,960
were at the BIA's car show. And these

1036
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,800
are events we consider outreach. So when

1037
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:20,960
you see program and outreach numbers

1038
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,040
that's capturing all of the programs

1039
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,910
engagement.

1040
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,079
Um and this is just a quick glimpse of

1041
00:44:30,079 --> 00:44:31,839
some of the new community partners that

1042
00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:33,520
we established this year. This isn't an

1043
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,119
exhaustive list but already these

1044
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:36,400
members are reaching out to the library

1045
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,720
to see how we can work together. Um and

1046
00:44:38,720 --> 00:44:40,000
I wanted to touch on some of our

1047
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,599
sponsors. So when I entered into the

1048
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,280
library our budget was already finalized

1049
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,359
for 2026.

1050
00:44:45,359 --> 00:44:47,599
Um, but we needed we saw a gap in

1051
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:49,760
programming for teens, especially in the

1052
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,000
community. So, we needed to rely on

1053
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,760
sponsors to help do that for us. So, we

1054
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520
reached out uh to Danny Bracket Auto

1055
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,119
Group who generously offered to sponsor

1056
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:58,720
all of our teen programs and we were

1057
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:00,480
able to offer a weekly program all

1058
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,040
summer long with the teens. Uh, we also

1059
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,119
offer a teen advisory board where teens

1060
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:06,640
earn their community service hours for

1061
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,400
volunteering with us. But we know that

1062
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:09,920
to get teens into the library, you need

1063
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,160
to provide food. So pizza pizza

1064
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,000
sponsored us and now we have pizza at

1065
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,520
all of those meetings and our group is

1066
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,829
growing and the goal.

1067
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,440
So we couldn't achieve our current

1068
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:23,280
service levels without our dedicated

1069
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,040
volunteers from delivering books to

1070
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,040
seniors to hosting weekly programs for

1071
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:28,800
adults to helping to maintain our

1072
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,640
collection. We have 12 dedicated

1073
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,880
volunteers who between January to June

1074
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,680
have already volunteered 276 hours of

1075
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,520
their time and that's an average of 11

1076
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,400
hours a week to rely quite a bit on our

1077
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,640
volunteers.

1078
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,079
And of course the more people that we

1079
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:46,800
bring into the building uh the more for

1080
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,240
our programming through our engagement

1081
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,560
program the more library cards that we

1082
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,440
have to sign up for. So just a note in

1083
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,119
this chart here, while we are on a

1084
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,160
fantastic trajectory of card holders, it

1085
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,000
doesn't depict our total patron

1086
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,079
engagement because a card is only

1087
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,480
required to borrow material. So in that

1088
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,920
video, all of the programs and the

1089
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,839
computers and use of our space, the

1090
00:46:07,839 --> 00:46:09,920
printing, the faxing, all of that does

1091
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,599
not require a library card. So those

1092
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,240
numbers aren't captured here.

1093
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,400
Uh we have on average 100 visits to the

1094
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,480
library a day. And in July, we had over

1095
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,720
5,000 visits to the library averaging

1096
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:25,030
100 day.

1097
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,119
Um, this shows the new members that

1098
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:29,200
we've had between January to June of

1099
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,920
this year. So, 203 new members and just

1100
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,920
shows it across the geographic area. So,

1101
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,680
Shel's winning the rates right now for

1102
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,240
new members. That's an average of one

1103
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,400
new member every day. And just another

1104
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,240
clarifying note that these are firsttime

1105
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:44,240
card holders. So if Mayor Mills for

1106
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,000
example came to the library and just and

1107
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,920
he wanted to borrow a wrong pass but

1108
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,839
discovered that his card was expired and

1109
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:51,920
he renewed that card that's not captured

1110
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,640
here completely new.

1111
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,040
So Shan has 139 new members since

1112
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,040
January which is an average of 16

1113
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,240
patrons every month. September is get a

1114
00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:04,000
library card month I've been told by the

1115
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,079
team and we're going to challenge our

1116
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:08,480
mayor to have a challenge across the

1117
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,960
municipality to see who can get more

1118
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,960
memberships through the different I like

1119
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,872
these numbers.

1120
00:47:14,872 --> 00:47:15,200
[laughter]

1121
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,839
>> You like winning the race.

1122
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:20,960
>> I'll I'll issue that challenge.

1123
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,160
>> So, you might be wondering what a

1124
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,079
library card gets you access to. And as

1125
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,680
I said in the video, books are just the

1126
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,000
beginning of all we offer. And so, I'll

1127
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,280
just touch on a few things that they

1128
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,800
were in the video, but we offer passes

1129
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,640
to cultural, historical, and natural

1130
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,880
sites. So, if you have a library card,

1131
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,480
you come into library and you ask for a

1132
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,319
pass to go to the wrong and you can take

1133
00:47:38,319 --> 00:47:40,400
your family there for free for the day.

1134
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,240
Same with Ontario parks and you get that

1135
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:44,720
pass for seven days and it's a day pass.

1136
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,480
So at the parks it's a vehicle that you

1137
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,079
get granted access for free. So

1138
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:50,000
libraries are finding new and creative

1139
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,839
ways to be able to create access to

1140
00:47:51,839 --> 00:47:55,589
other.

1141
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,079
We also expand access with our kio and

1142
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:00,960
food land which will in 2024. So since

1143
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,880
our hours of operation are limited, this

1144
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,680
was a creative way to increase access to

1145
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,599
our collection because Freland is open

1146
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,119
seven days a week, much more than we

1147
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:11,040
are, and our staff visit the kiosk

1148
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,160
regularly to update collection. And in

1149
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,000
July, we had a record number of 90

1150
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,800
checkouts at kiosk. So even though it

1151
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:21,040
was put in in 2024, it seems people are

1152
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,079
still just discovering it.

1153
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,160
Another way we expand our access is with

1154
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:27,680
our digital library, which we like to

1155
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,920
say is always open. So, your library

1156
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,760
card you can use and never step foot in

1157
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,599
the library and access thousands of

1158
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,440
ebooks, audiobooks, which are great if

1159
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,400
you're a commuter, mu movies, music, TV

1160
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,240
shows, and even newspapers in all

1161
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:41,839
different languages from all around the

1162
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:43,599
world. So, if you'd like to subscribe to

1163
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:45,440
the Toronto Star or the Glow Down, you

1164
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,720
get those quickly library card

1165
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,400
right to your device all from home.

1166
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,160
So, public libraries are critical

1167
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,559
cultural and social infrastructure. They

1168
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:58,480
are integral for building personal

1169
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,559
entrepreneurial and social capacity

1170
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,319
through the access that we provide to

1171
00:49:02,319 --> 00:49:04,720
programs, information, and opportunities

1172
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:06,800
for to meet and connect with their

1173
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,359
community. Our physical location serves

1174
00:49:09,359 --> 00:49:11,200
as a gathering place for people of all

1175
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,280
ages to engage in lifelong learning

1176
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:14,800
through access to local and global

1177
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,599
resources. And libraries provide a level

1178
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,359
playing field by providing that

1179
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:21,040
equitable access to resources and

1180
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,040
encouraging interactions from all social

1181
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,440
groups. As the Ontario Library Service

1182
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,760
says, where other spaces force us into

1183
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,240
divine roles, consumer, client,

1184
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,319
employee, or student, public libraries

1185
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:34,720
are a space where unqualified humanity,

1186
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:36,559
where nothing is expected of us other

1187
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,800
than our respect from one another. And

1188
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,480
in serving this holistic role, public

1189
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,720
libraries are cornerstone of a strong

1190
00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:44,319
community.

1191
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:46,640
Sounds great, right? But as a head

1192
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,119
librarian, I'm of course a little biased

1193
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:50,800
at all the great things that we offer at

1194
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,640
the library. So, how have I proved to

1195
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:54,240
you, our stakeholders, and to our

1196
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:56,319
residents, the impact that we have on

1197
00:49:56,319 --> 00:49:58,240
our communities and on our residents

1198
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:00,720
whose tax dollars directly fund our

1199
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:02,800
little library? How do we value an

1200
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,119
inherently intangible human-based

1201
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:07,200
service? Well, we found a way.

1202
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,599
Librarians are good at that.

1203
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,839
So the Ontario Library Service in

1204
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:13,599
partnership with the Nordic Institute at

1205
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,400
Alma University worked with CEOs, First

1206
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:17,920
Nation groups, and French seeking

1207
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,319
communities to design the Valley Ontario

1208
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,319
Libraries toolkit, which is also known

1209
00:50:22,319 --> 00:50:24,640
as Bolt. And this is a step-by-step

1210
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,240
guide that helps public libraries

1211
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,000
demonstrate their community impact and

1212
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,440
measure quality how we are services. The

1213
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,520
kit uses data that libraries already

1214
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:35,280
collect. So every year we're required by

1215
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,200
the ministry to report statistics across

1216
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,200
all service levels. So data like our

1217
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,359
visitor counts, our circulation, our

1218
00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,520
program attendance, and it calculates

1219
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,480
how much economic value gives back to

1220
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,240
its community for every dollar they

1221
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,559
receives. So it takes our free services

1222
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,160
and turns them into a dollar amount

1223
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,160
using the private markets, same price

1224
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,880
for that service. The toolkit then

1225
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,720
calculates an economic value across

1226
00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:00,880
seven domains which I haded on a

1227
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,800
previous slide which are education,

1228
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,880
culture, inclusion and well-being,

1229
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,800
entertainment and leisure, economic

1230
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,599
development, civic engagement and faith

1231
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:11,280
culminating in a social return on

1232
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:12,960
investment. So I'm going to take you

1233
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,960
through Shelurn's breakdown of the data

1234
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,319
that we received. So based on our 2025

1235
00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:20,559
data, Shelurn Public Library provided an

1236
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,119
economic benefit of 2.8 8 million for

1237
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,359
the people of Shelurn and our neighbor

1238
00:51:25,359 --> 00:51:27,440
principalities and you can see that

1239
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,119
number there spread across the seven

1240
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,440
domain which is a little I'm seeing from

1241
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,800
here but hopefully clear for you. So for

1242
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,960
context or comparables Calin public

1243
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,559
liies economic benefit for 2025 was 28

1244
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,040
million and Orangeville Library they

1245
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,400
last did this um toolkit in 2024 and

1246
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,240
their economic benefit was over 9

1247
00:51:48,240 --> 00:51:50,400
million. So libraries are having a

1248
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,240
significant economic benefit on their

1249
00:51:52,240 --> 00:51:55,280
community. So from this a a social

1250
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,839
return on investment or an SOI is

1251
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:00,000
calculated and that's by taking the

1252
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,559
economic benefit so the 2.8 million and

1253
00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:05,359
divided by our municipal funding. So

1254
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:07,599
just the funding provided by Shelurn not

1255
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,440
the fund provided by our contract

1256
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,520
municipalities.

1257
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,520
So, for every dollar invested in the

1258
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,040
Shelurn Public Library in 2025, $12 must

1259
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,760
be invested back to

1260
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,240
fantastic number. Uh, we should all be

1261
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:24,480
jumping up and down with joy, but it's

1262
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,720
actually bittersweet and not as

1263
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:30,240
realistic as I might hope. So, in fact,

1264
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:31,920
when I we were calculating and we

1265
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,000
received the results of our toolkit, I

1266
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,000
actually assumed that we made an error

1267
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,920
and reached out to the Ontario Library

1268
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,240
Service Consultants to review our data

1269
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:42,319
to make sure that we were in fact having

1270
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,040
an economic return of $12 knowing that

1271
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:46,559
the industry standard and libraries

1272
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:48,880
aren't um we say not to compare them

1273
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,880
because every community is so different,

1274
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,319
but the industry standard is usually

1275
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:56,160
between a four and $7 return on on

1276
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,079
investment, which is still incredible. I

1277
00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:00,559
was going to be excited by two. Uh so

1278
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,640
what we discovered in reviewing the data

1279
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,720
that the reason our social return on

1280
00:53:04,720 --> 00:53:06,720
investment is so high is because we are

1281
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,960
doing so much with so little because we

1282
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,720
of that impact and we divide it by the

1283
00:53:10,720 --> 00:53:12,880
multiple funding. And I can tell you

1284
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:14,720
that having run the library now for just

1285
00:53:14,720 --> 00:53:17,920
over 10 months I have the most dedicated

1286
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,839
team. I have to stop them from working

1287
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:21,920
for free. But the level of service that

1288
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,079
our small team is providing just isn't

1289
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,160
sustainable in the long term, especially

1290
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,240
as demand for our service continues to

1291
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:31,359
grow. So before I wrap up, I'm just

1292
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:33,200
going to dig into a bit more data to

1293
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,720
illustrate how public landings are

1294
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,829
funded.

1295
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:39,520
So I'll just share a note that this is

1296
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,680
2024 data because the ministry hasn't

1297
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,000
yet released the 2025 data that's due to

1298
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,400
come out in the next couple of weeks. Um

1299
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,160
but just a reminder that libraries are

1300
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,240
governed by the public libraries act and

1301
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:51,839
this is our key piece of provincial

1302
00:53:51,839 --> 00:53:54,559
legislation that establishes free public

1303
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,599
library service across Ontario and as a

1304
00:53:57,599 --> 00:53:59,680
result every library in Ontario receives

1305
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,839
PLOG which is short for the provincial

1306
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:04,720
library operating grant and not only has

1307
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:08,000
that funding not increased since 1998

1308
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,760
which puts immense pressure on

1309
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,760
municipalities to put the funding for

1310
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,800
libraries but as this graph shows in in

1311
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,040
2024 Shelvin received the lowest funds

1312
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,640
when compared to library serving

1313
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,040
populations of the same size and the

1314
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,880
reason for that is because the funding

1315
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,240
formula was based on total households in

1316
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,400
1998 and we know that Shelurn has

1317
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,880
undergone extensive growth in the fast

1318
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,839
growing community in Canada and Ontario.

1319
00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:36,000
Um so we haven't funding has not

1320
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,040
reflected that that growth.

1321
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:40,319
And then just to take us into the

1322
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:42,960
municipal funding as a comparison in

1323
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,280
2024 when we looked at nine other

1324
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,040
libraries that serve populations of our

1325
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,680
size, Shelurn was on the lower end. Um,

1326
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:51,680
and this I just want to clarify is not

1327
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,839
because council has denied requests for

1328
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:56,000
increased funding. Council has in fact

1329
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,839
not been asked for increased funding to

1330
00:54:57,839 --> 00:54:59,839
keep up with the growing demands of the

1331
00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:01,359
library. So that is something that I'm

1332
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:02,480
going to be bringing forward to the

1333
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,800
budget as we review the budget at the

1334
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:06,880
end of September to ensure that our

1335
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,480
current budget meets the needs of the

1336
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,319
community right now because we are

1337
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:17,349
falling behind that move forward.

1338
00:55:17,359 --> 00:55:19,280
And for the last one, I know you'll be

1339
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,119
launching new strategic priorities for

1340
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:22,880
the upcoming term, but I wanted to

1341
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,559
highlight that there isn't a service or

1342
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,800
program that we offer that doesn't align

1343
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,800
or reflect with at least one of

1344
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,359
council's priorities. Our library is

1345
00:55:31,359 --> 00:55:33,280
communityled. It's through consultation

1346
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,800
that we determine what programs and

1347
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:36,720
services to offer. It's through these

1348
00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:38,480
effective partnerships that we develop

1349
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,559
with residents, local businesses, and

1350
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,240
organizations that we can enhance our

1351
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,440
offerings beyond our staff capacity. The

1352
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,200
principles of diversity, equity, and

1353
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:48,799
inclusion really are the foundation of

1354
00:55:48,799 --> 00:55:51,200
everything libraries do. Um, from how we

1355
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,720
design our space to the books on our

1356
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:54,559
shelves to the welcome inclusive

1357
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,960
program. And as I have demonstrated, our

1358
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,960
library generates significant social

1359
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,280
return on investment. Every dollar

1360
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,680
invested produces value through improved

1361
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,240
literacy, stronger educational outcomes,

1362
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:07,760
workforce development, digital

1363
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,760
inclusion, access to reliable

1364
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,319
information, and support for learning.

1365
00:56:12,319 --> 00:56:14,319
But beyond our measurable financial

1366
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:16,720
impact, our library helps strengthen the

1367
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,880
social fabric of our community. We are a

1368
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,559
trusted, welcoming space where people

1369
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,119
from all backgrounds together, learn,

1370
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,400
create that.

1371
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,559
So my only ask is that when presented

1372
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:30,640
with our budget for 2027 to please

1373
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,319
consider how investing in the library

1374
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,880
not only align with council priorities,

1375
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,640
but is an investment in our shared.

1376
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:39,599
you.

1377
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:41,680
>> Thank you.

1378
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,280
Um,

1379
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,000
yeah, I mean, pretty remarkable when you

1380
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,280
look at what a library of our size is

1381
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:52,400
able to accomplish. So, kudos to you and

1382
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,480
team in the room tonight as well as

1383
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,440
those who are here.

1384
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:58,960
And I mean ju just looking at that one

1385
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,280
number alone increasing or the increase

1386
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,200
rather than the program

1387
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,880
>> in one year I think it's pretty shocking

1388
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,960
in positive way. Um so congratulations.

1389
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:13,760
Um you're right. I mean the the library

1390
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,119
and and I don't think this can be said

1391
00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:16,799
in every community unfortunately but I

1392
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:19,599
think certainly here the library

1393
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:24,319
is kind of that social cultural sit

1394
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:26,880
in so many ways.

1395
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,359
The the two slides that I find the most

1396
00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:32,880
troubling are these. And full disclosure

1397
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,960
Shan and I had a bit of a chat a couple

1398
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:41,920
of weeks ago. So, I I did get a bit of a preview um as to what [clears throat]

1399
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,760
some of the asks might be. Um obviously

1400
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,240
the the municipal funding that that's an

1401
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:50,799
easier one for for council to tackle

1402
00:57:50,799 --> 00:57:52,640
because it's very much within our

1403
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,920
control. Um it'll be the next council

1404
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,720
that is considering your request. Um I

1405
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,799
am glad that you pointed out though I

1406
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:02,720
mean certainly in my 12 years around

1407
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,680
this table um I think council has always

1408
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,920
funded what's been requested. Um but

1409
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,680
based on these numbers I guess there

1410
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:13,200
shouldn't be a surprise for the next

1411
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,559
incoming council that that request may

1412
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,079
be

1413
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:21,119
on the provincial side though uh I I I

1414
00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:23,599
still think council has a role to play

1415
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:26,640
uh when it comes to advocating

1416
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,760
ministry I've mentioned to Shannon one

1417
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,680
of the the first things I think that we

1418
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:36,480
can look at is delegation confidence

1419
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,520
we're not obvious obviously, but if the

1420
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:41,119
funding formula hasn't been adjusted

1421
00:58:41,119 --> 00:58:44,160
since 1998, a community that's grown as

1422
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,119
fast as ours is impacted much more

1423
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:51,599
greatly than others that haven't. So, I think obviously that the minister

1424
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,319
needs to be made aware of that and uh

1425
00:58:54,319 --> 00:58:57,359
encouraged to adjust that and update the

1426
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,920
formula according [snorts]

1427
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:01,680
anyways

1428
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:03,680
happy to continue to work work with you

1429
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,190
towards that.

1430
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,599
Other questions or comments?

1431
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:11,839
>> Just wanted to say I mean echoing what

1432
00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,559
they said and having worked with you and

1433
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,559
your staff over the even the weekend's

1434
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:18,720
event uh you do so much with so little

1435
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,680
and anybody that says uh you're not

1436
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,119
doing a good job is uh sadly mistaken

1437
00:59:25,119 --> 00:59:29,680
and probably owed apology. Uh but no,

1438
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,000
>> keep doing what you're doing and

1439
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,880
don't have our support.

1440
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,640
But one question I would have because

1441
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,559
you know anytime there's an increase for

1442
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:43,119
funding at municipal level I I think you

1443
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,520
know rightly people ask okay what do

1444
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:50,549
they learn on that? So I I think

1445
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:52,160
one of the arguments could be made look

1446
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,920
you know you're you're accomplishing so

1447
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,040
much as it is do you need more money

1448
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,150
like

1449
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:01,760
that

1450
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,240
right so you know in some ways your your

1451
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,640
success can also you know in in some

1452
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,880
ways become become your enemy but you

1453
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,720
know if if you were to receive more

1454
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,319
funding

1455
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:13,200
could you put that [clears throat] to

1456
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,319
use? Yeah. So, my my top priority is to

1457
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:18,960
increase our staff level. So, I would be

1458
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,040
requesting for one full-time staff.

1459
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,799
Right now, we only have two full-time

1460
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:25,440
staff that includes me. And until I

1461
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:26,799
started, there was only one full-time

1462
01:00:26,799 --> 01:00:28,880
staff. So, to say that we have an

1463
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,000
administrative backlog would be underst

1464
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,680
service administratively in terms of

1465
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,000
policy, legislation

1466
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,440
requirements, and all of that, we are

1467
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,040
still get behind and that's where

1468
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,880
there's a gap. and also within our

1469
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,319
collection development. So it's that

1470
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:46,799
backend administrative work that really

1471
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:48,720
are seeing where the need to get cut off

1472
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,040
where the gaps are. So that's a priority

1473
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,640
and then the second priority is our

1474
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,280
collection. So the cost of e- resources

1475
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,799
has increased substantially. So and it's

1476
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:01,680
increased by 43% that not sorry the

1477
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,000
demand for e- resources. So all of the

1478
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,559
books and audio books, music, TV shows

1479
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:08,480
that you can access has increased by

1480
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:12,720
43%. But the cost has increased by 93%.

1481
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,400
2022.

1482
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,599
So in 2022, we spent 15,000 just under

1483
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,760
on our collections for e- resources. And

1484
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,799
in 2025, we spent just under 30,000. We

1485
01:01:22,799 --> 01:01:25,599
doubled. Um, and this is an issue with

1486
01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:27,599
publishers not allowing libraries to

1487
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:29,920
have the same level of access to ebooks

1488
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,920
and digital resources the way the public

1489
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,160
does. So, for example, you can purchase

1490
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,319
an ebook for just say $15 where the

1491
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:38,960
buyers will pay $60 for that ebook and

1492
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,200
we won't own it. You'll own it. We won't

1493
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:42,480
own it. They'll only give it to us for

1494
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,040
two years. So, maybe 12 people know it

1495
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,280
during that time. So, that's where the

1496
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:48,640
barrier is when it comes to our

1497
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:51,200
collection. So, it really is happening

1498
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:53,200
at that level. And libraries um at the

1499
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,599
provincial level are undergoing major

1500
01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,680
advocacy around this, but libraries are

1501
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,520
having to reduce access to digital

1502
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,079
resources as a result. But that's how we

1503
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,920
stay relevant. The community wants

1504
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:05,920
digital resources. We are seeing a

1505
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:07,839
demand for that more than our physical

1506
01:02:07,839 --> 01:02:09,440
faults. So to meet the needs of the

1507
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:10,720
communities, we have to provide the

1508
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,599
service, but it's just not sustainable.

1509
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:20,549
But my first priority certainly is that

1510
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,713
I

1511
01:02:22,713 --> 01:02:24,000
[laughter]

1512
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,760
know what they work with. And that's I

1513
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:26,960
mean that's the thing too, right?

1514
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,040
Volunteers are amazing, but there's only

1515
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,400
so much you can continuously ask of your

1516
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,240
volunteers, right? And it it is we we I

1517
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,640
mean, just think about it, folks. Like,

1518
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,400
where do you go where there's two

1519
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,680
full-time staff, you know, in in a

1520
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:47,280
publicly, you know, funded and and

1521
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,319
utilized space like it's

1522
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:54,079
>> retirements. Yeah.

1523
01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:55,040
>> So,

1524
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,400
>> quite a bit.

1525
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,880
that change and yeah

1526
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,319
>> and and as you mentioned with the e-

1527
01:03:00,319 --> 01:03:02,960
resources right it it's it's hard

1528
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:04,559
because people are expecting to have

1529
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:06,960
that ability and if we have to reduce

1530
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,319
that ability then they start getting

1531
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:11,040
angry what are my taxes paying for right

1532
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:12,960
why are we putting $200,000 into the

1533
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:14,720
library and yet I've been told now I

1534
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,720
have to have a reduction in how many

1535
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,319
books that I can take out so it's it's

1536
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:22,559
hard because it's a vicious circle right

1537
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:24,799
you need the money to keep the you know

1538
01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:26,799
ebooks going and and collections going,

1539
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:28,720
but then people need to make sure that,

1540
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,280
you know, they can have that and if they

1541
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:32,319
can't have it, then they don't want to

1542
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:34,160
give the money. And so it's like, no, we

1543
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:37,359
need the money. So, I know it's it's

1544
01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:39,440
amazing what you're doing with what

1545
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,520
you're allotted. And I feel that we we

1546
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:45,599
need to address that so that it can

1547
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:50,160
operate at, you know, full capacity. and you know there's other programs and

1548
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,520
things like that that potentially we

1549
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:53,520
could be doing that we aren't because we

1550
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:56,240
just don't have the funds for it or the

1551
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:00,319
staff for it or you know so yeah we're

1552
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:03,584
growing and we need to grow our growth.

1553
01:04:03,584 --> 01:04:04,960
[snorts]

1554
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,599
>> The business model for publishing is to

1555
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:12,160
sell books and and your library business

1556
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,480
model flies in the face class. So of

1557
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,599
course they're going to charge you a

1558
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:17,599
premium for

1559
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:20,720
you know, they're items that uh for

1560
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,599
borrowing as opposed to they don't make

1561
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,160
as much money off you. You're loaning

1562
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:29,599
book for free as somebody is actually

1563
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:31,599
purchasing these books. So, I get that.

1564
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:34,240
But it puts you in a

1565
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,039
precarious situation in terms of cost

1566
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,470
versus

1567
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,000
good, you know.

1568
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,240
>> Yeah. I will I will just share that one

1569
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:45,760
thing libraries are trying to show the

1570
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:47,599
publishing industry is that if we can

1571
01:04:47,599 --> 01:04:49,359
make people fall in love with reading,

1572
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:50,880
we're actually increasing their farm

1573
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,640
debt. You give them a book, we let them

1574
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,720
try it for free and they love it, then

1575
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,710
they don't want to wait for it again

1576
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:59,359
on their own.

1577
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:00,799
>> Yeah. But they still very much have the

1578
01:05:00,799 --> 01:05:02,799
mindset that it's competition.

1579
01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:04,079
>> Yeah.

1580
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,079
>> So,

1581
01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:07,680
uh Deputy Mayor and I have a county

1582
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,920
council meeting Thursday morning. So I

1583
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,480
think uh to us was more than happy to

1584
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,119
issue that challenge to to the other

1585
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,960
mayor's deputies.

1586
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,760
>> U yeah and and just one one final

1587
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,319
comment in full disclosure Shannon sort

1588
01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:25,359
of offered a cute anecdote about a mayor

1589
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:26,880
potentially finding out that his library

1590
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,280
card had expired. There might be some

1591
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:34,549
truth to that.

1592
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:37,520
» Currently the member again in good stand

1593
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,000
I I don't have a card yet. Well, there

1594
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,319
you go. We'll wait until that challenge.

1595
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:46,640
>> Mine, too. So,

1596
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,599
>> thank you very much. Um, yeah, look

1597
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:53,039
forward to hearing more good news.

1598
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:54,799
>> Good. And if I may, I just realized I

1599
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,400
didn't share this, but we have worked

1600
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,559
closely with town staff to develop the

1601
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,000
for the facilities. And I want to share

1602
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,520
how many efficiencies we found that. But

1603
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,000
if the more we do work with town staff

1604
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,029
or that partnership, those agreements.

1605
01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:12,160
» Good stuff.

1606
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,280
>> Excellent. Thank you. Thank you all. Can

1607
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,640
I have a motion to receive presentation

1608
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,640
by councelor Gashardi, seconded by

1609
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:24,640
councelor Wagner. in favor.

1610
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,520
>> All right. Thanks again, guys.

1611
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,559
Next up, we have a proclamation uh for

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Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. Uh and

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there will be a flag raising on Tuesday,

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September the 1st at 1:30 p.m. across

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the street here at Jack Downing Park.

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Proclamation reads as follows. And bear

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with me, it's kind of a long one.

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Whereas approximately 10,000 children

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are living with cancer in Canada today.

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Each year about 1500 cases are

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diagnosed. Because of significant

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advances in therapy, 82% of these

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children will survive five years or

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more. Childhood cancer remains

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responsible for more deaths in one year

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through adolescence than any other

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disease. And whereas families facing the

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journey of childhood cancer need the

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best possible medical, financial, and

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emotional support we can provide. Every

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family touched by childhood cancer needs

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support, needs to be supported, assuming

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of its relatives, neighbors, teachers,

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and community. Parents need to

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understand

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and be compassionate from and receive

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compassion from their employers.

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Brothers and sisters need special

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consideration both at home and in

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school. Young cancer patients themselves

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need every opportunity to express and

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pursue the dreams that are the hallmark

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of childhood and the hope that cancer

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can be beaten. Whereas this month we

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recognize the dedication and hard work

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of all those scientists, health care

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professionals, parent organizations and

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volunteers who are working to overcome

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childhood cancer and assist these

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families. We admire and support the

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courageous youth and their parents who

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struggle with this disease. And whereas

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we applaud and commend the dedicated

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volunteers at Candlelight Central

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parents children with cancer for the

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work they do for families children

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cancer in our region. Now therefore, I,

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Mayor Wade Mills, on behalf of council,

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do hereby proclaim September 2026 as

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childhood cancer awareness month.

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So if you're available, please join us

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on Tuesday, September 1st at 1:30 for

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council inquiries.

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>> Council Wagner.

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>> Um, okay. So I'll kind of go with my

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quicker, easier one first. Um Jim, I was

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just wondering if you have any updates

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on the lane closure that is on Main

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Street over by 124. It kind of appears

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to me like they are done. Um but the

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pylons are still up and it's sort of

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impeding traffic still. So I'm just

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wondering when they will be done.

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» It's true. It's true. But

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>> uh tree worship we do have regular sight

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meetings. Our last one was in late July

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over there. uh Tuesday on Wednesday they

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were going to do paving which they did

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do. Thursday was to be the line marking

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on the street and then opening for that

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weekend. So they're a few weeks behind.

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Uh I did inquire with the uh engineer in

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charge of the project. Unfortunately I

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haven't heard that yet.

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>> It is in MTO's controller. So be

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something

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» right. So I'm just like okay

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>> yeah I'm like it's time to go. So, okay,

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we'll just, I guess, keep our ears open

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for any updates or whatnot to see when

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those will be down. Um, so my my second

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one is is a little more um tricky uh

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just because um with the community

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concerns lately on Facebook, um they're

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definitely becoming louder and more

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frequent with regards to uh breakins and

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um you know, suspected drugous and

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things of that nature. So, um I think

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part of the problem is is maybe the

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community doesn't understand council's

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limitations within policing. Um you

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know, I'm seeing a lot of chatter where

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we're not doing anything. Um we're

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deferring, we just don't care. Um so I

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guess I don't know if maybe we can speak

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to sort of what limitations council has

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with regards to policing um and

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requesting certain things. Um, secondary

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to that would be what the procedure

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would be or if we can create some form

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of a town hall where we can get um, OP

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to come and answer some questions or

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even just come and speak with to council

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just to give us some something um, with

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regards to, you know, what they're doing

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to find solutions to stop this. It it it

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just seems to be continuing to increase

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it. I'm sure they're doing obviously

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stuff behind the scenes that we don't

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necessarily know or they can't even tell

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us because obviously as we know there

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are certain procedures and protocols

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that they have to follow in order to

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make any kind of conviction stick right

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so they're not going to be able to give

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us or the community specifics but I do

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find or feel that there should be

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something that they can offer us to help

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the community understand that it is

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still a priority and they are on it. Um

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because right now it just really seems

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like we're seeing an increase and you

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know the community is getting

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frustrated, right? Because they're just

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thinking like why don't we have more

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patrols? Why don't we have more people

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you know in place to get these guys when

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they know they're hitting specific areas

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in our town on a regular basis at a

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certain time. So just I mean you know

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like I said if we can just kind of have

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a little bit of oversight on that just

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so anyone watching or anyone who will

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watch can kind of have some more

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information.

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So thank you for the question. I'm going

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to answer part two first. So with

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respect to process, if Shaw Talto would

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wish to make requests that the OP hold

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the town hall, that would either be sent

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directly to the detachment and or the

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board. The board would actually then

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have that consultation. I also would

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suggest that the list of specific issues

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that other than just Facebook

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information that Shelurn would put

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together to say these are top 10 or

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these are the kind of issues opposed to

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Facebook that would be beneficial. Um

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there were evidence of there were

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examples of community hall town hall

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meetings that I'm aware of in 2025 held

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by reference.

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whether or not they still do that

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format. I know there has been some

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adjustment coming out of Aurelia how

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they're structured. Um in the absence of

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that similar to when we went to do keep

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costing we could have the detachment

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commander or representatives and to

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address those with respect to the first

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part in terms of what we what were

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provided services that we received in

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town of Shelurn and we staff to provide

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a memo again. I know it's been a while.

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Um there is a contract with you and it

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outlines the kind of things that we

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receive and what that contract entails

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and what it doesn't. Um we also

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supplement a lot of what some people

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would say falls into the realm or think

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of our bylaw, but they have

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restrictions. So if that's necessary, I

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think that would be the OP can certainly

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address that, but maybe staff would be

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in a better position to remind council

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of the contract, how it's structured.

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And I know that there's been questions

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that I have responded to to members of

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council and I'm going to address it here

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just so it's out there. Um it's not a

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simple we want another officer like we

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want what was called an enhancement in

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the past for XYZ. Um there are processes

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in terms of the budgetary structure that

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they undertake to hire that person to

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assign them to function and how they're

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structured. So we went through a very

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comprehensive review when we switched

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from South Chicago Police Services to

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the OPP. Our FTE or full-time equivalent

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compliment stayed intact. So I know that

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there's sometimes a presumption that

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we're not getting the amount of service

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or support and as you referenced there

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is a lot going on that even staff are

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not privy to. There's confidentiality.

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So that contract is fairly succinct in

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how many zap we get the allocation and I

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would say it's fairly um robust overall

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and it's worth about $1.7 million and I

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know tonight there is something on the

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budget. Um the ministry of finance is

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the one that organizationally

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instructs the contract. This is your

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cost based on a two model. So we are now

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on the new model. Call for services is

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the one component. The fixed component

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based on your number of properties is

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the base. So you get a base cost that

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doesn't change. It's like your water

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cost, right? I know people don't

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understand it. Why don't I use any

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:09,360
water? Why am I getting a bill? Okay, we

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01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,360
get a bill for this and then what drives

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the secondary component of that is the

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amount of calls that you have. And those

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two things merge and that is also

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determined by their estimate of the

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01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:20,719
officers that are assigned to us. If

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they don't do as many calls based on the

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estimate then there's a credit. So I

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hope that just the highle structure of

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how you

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01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,400
>> no I'll just add a couple additional

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comments. So, so that the way that sort

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of council's interaction with the OBP

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govern works I mean kind of twofold but

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formally you're the police service board

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the deputy mayor myself captainado sit

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01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:48,880
on the service board um the role of that

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01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:51,920
board not unlike the way a municipal

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01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:56,239
service board works is you know that board can provide some input when

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01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:58,000
it comes to sort of high level policy

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,199
sorts of things but definitely not any

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01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,560
direct operational input. So, you know,

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01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,159
at at a board meeting, you can't say,

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"Look, you know, we know there's an

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01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:08,800
issue on such and such a street. We want

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01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,880
you to go and do something." That's not

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the way this works.

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:14,960
>> It's not the way it worked under Shel

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01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:17,520
Police Service either. Um, beyond that

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:21,520
formal approach, uh, I mean, I have a

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01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,239
fairly direct line of communication with

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the detachment commander. Our permanent

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01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,199
detachment commander has been seconded

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to another position for a period of

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time. So kept acting

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now

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you know and those sorts of discussions

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happen fairly regularly too. I had

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coffee with

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this a couple weeks ago. So there is

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,159
lots of conversation going on. concerns

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01:16:48,159 --> 01:16:50,400
from community are being expressed, but

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to a certain degree that that's where

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the whole council sort of stops and

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where policing picks up. Um, in terms of the requests to have

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members of the attend as as the CEO

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01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:10,640
said, um, I I think a full-fledged town

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hall might be a heavier lift. I'm not

1873
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:14,560
saying it's it's not possible, but I

1874
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,679
think it may take longer. uh what we

1875
01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:19,840
might be able to accomplish in short

1876
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:23,120
order is is to have

1877
01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:24,239
a delegation.

1878
01:17:24,239 --> 01:17:24,640
>> Okay.

1879
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:29,360
>> So acting uh inspector you know come and

1880
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,120
we could provide him with sort of a list

1881
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:32,719
of things want to talk about

1882
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:33,120
>> right

1883
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,320
>> the seven of us around his table on the

1884
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:39,199
has elected us can ask questions and get

1885
01:17:39,199 --> 01:17:40,800
answers. So that's something that I

1886
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:43,990
think

1887
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,480
» yeah that that would be great because I just I do I feel that you know I think

1888
01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,560
people are just frustrated right now

1889
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,080
because they feel that they're just not

1890
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,760
having any answers right and they're

1891
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:54,640
just

1892
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:59,600
>> in this limbo of you know breakins and you know it doesn't seem

1893
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,920
like anything is happening and there it

1894
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,640
is but it's just their perception right

1895
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:06,880
and so it's like and the only way to

1896
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:08,800
change that perception is to show them

1897
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,880
that you know something is happening and

1898
01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:12,880
you know we are trying right and the

1899
01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:19,910
police are trying

1900
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,840
» I I think we could put either date too

1901
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,960
and see what yeah

1902
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,950
exc

1903
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:35,199
for Jim uh on the an update on water

1904
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:38,080
tower repairs for

1905
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,000
the water tower

1906
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,880
>> through your worship. Uh yes, we're uh

1907
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,120
speaking with SBA that is budgeted for

1908
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:48,159
this year. Um we have found out that

1909
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:51,440
there is only a couple companies that do that. They're pretty well booked for

1910
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:53,360
this year. We do have kind of a

1911
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,280
hierarchy of ours coming out with

1912
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,920
suits treatment planting top order right

1913
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,480
now and then shop expansion that sort of

1914
01:19:02,480 --> 01:19:04,719
thing. So the the hope is to get the RFP

1915
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:08,400
out this year and awarded and then pump

1916
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,880
the repairs in next year. They're hoping

1917
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,800
to get away with just pressure washing

1918
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,880
it and then it's going to be a full sale

1919
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:22,950
glass. So it's going to enclo

1920
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,560
» it

1921
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:24,800
good.

1922
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:25,199
>> Yep.

1923
01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:26,080
>> Okay.

1924
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,640
>> All right. So we're going to jump into

1925
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,520
our our regular agenda now. Um, one

1926
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:33,600
amendment I'm going to make, our fire

1927
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,440
chief is here with us, and rather than

1928
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:38,239
make him sit through the entirety of the

1929
01:19:38,239 --> 01:19:41,120
agenda, I am going to bump item number

1930
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:44,640
five, which was the addendum uh up to

1931
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,640
the number two spot. So, after we get

1932
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:49,280
through kind of the the planning report,

1933
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:50,960
then we'll deal with you, chief, and you

1934
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,159
can carry on with the rest of your

1935
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:53,520
evening.

1936
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:54,320
>> Thank you, sir.

1937
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,640
>> All right. So, uh, but before we get

1938
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,280
there, um, I I am going to ask Steve to

1939
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,679
come back up and walk us through the,

1940
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:10,365
uh, report for 600 Main Street

1941
01:20:10,375 --> 01:20:12,080
[laughter]

1942
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:19,990
>> again.

1943
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:22,800
this back up, but feel pretty important

1944
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,790
now going out of

1945
01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,000
» Well, there is some method to my

1946
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:29,520
madness, man. We're paying you by the

1947
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,669
hour.

1948
01:20:33,679 --> 01:20:37,600
Um so we do have some takes on that as

1949
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:40,000
well for this.

1950
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,880
So Donna Bravo from Rothman Investments

1951
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,920
um limited representing receiver as well

1952
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:48,239
as Patrick Harrington is legal council

1953
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:51,920
to the receiver and Mark Yington is the

1954
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:55,360
plan. Um so I think council's very

1955
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,719
familiar with this uh development. Um

1956
01:20:58,719 --> 01:21:02,080
it's um has a a long history. Uh going

1957
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,800
back to um in the background of my

1958
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,960
report, I recap kind of where we've come

1959
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,480
from. Uh which is um a developer had

1960
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:13,040
obtained or previous owner had obtained

1961
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,400
draft plan of subdivision and

1962
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:17,120
condominium approvals. And then um it

1963
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:18,560
took some time for them to secure a

1964
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,640
builder. that builder navigated the

1965
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:24,159
detailed design process and and um had

1966
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:26,000
home models designed and and was pretty

1967
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,920
close to getting into home construction.

1968
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,400
The site was pre-service with all the

1969
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:32,239
underground services. The base roads are

1970
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:37,040
there um but ran into some uh difficulty

1971
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:40,400
um about uh a year ago um and the

1972
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:44,080
property went into receiverhip. And so

1973
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:45,679
uh since that time we've been working

1974
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:47,120
with the receiver and their

1975
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,880
representatives to to figure out what

1976
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:51,440
the options are because in March of or

1977
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:54,480
sorry in April of 2025 u the draft plan

1978
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:57,440
approvals had lapsed there. It was very

1979
01:21:57,440 --> 01:21:59,040
close to having final approval. A

1980
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,280
subdivision agreement had been drafted.

1981
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:02,880
Many of the conditions had been cleared

1982
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,560
but there were a few items remaining

1983
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:07,280
outstanding. Uh and a timeline was given

1984
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:09,199
for those items to be addressed and they

1985
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:13,280
ultimately weren't. Um so um this is a

1986
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:14,960
new provision under the planning act. We

1987
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:16,560
haven't had a request like this before

1988
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,719
because it's a relatively recent um

1989
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,320
change that's been added through one of

1990
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,480
the current government's many changes to

1991
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:25,760
the planning act which allows that um

1992
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,320
expired uh draft plan approvals can be

1993
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:32,880
reinstated uh such as some criteria and

1994
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,600
um one of the criteria which is is the

1995
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,000
easiest one here to to address is that

1996
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:39,760
the draft plan hasn't been declared for

1997
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:41,199
more than five years. This one just

1998
01:22:41,199 --> 01:22:43,840
expired last April. So, so no problem

1999
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:47,040
with that. Um, the other is that this is

2000
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,920
a one-time opportunity. So, um, although

2001
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,239
this approval had been extended several

2002
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:54,159
times under different provisions of the

2003
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:57,440
act, the reinstatement of a lapsed draft

2004
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:00,320
plan approval is a one-time thing. So,

2005
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,239
um this is an important uh decision

2006
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:05,520
point for this development because um

2007
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,239
once this decision has been made if it's

2008
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,800
reinstated, it can't be further extended

2009
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:12,960
or reinstated again. If it were to lapse

2010
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,520
again, it can't be reinstated. And if it

2011
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,639
were to um not get final approval prior

2012
01:23:18,639 --> 01:23:20,560
to elapsing, there's no opportunity to

2013
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:23,280
extend further. So that speaks to the

2014
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,080
timeline request which the applicant has

2015
01:23:26,080 --> 01:23:28,239
asked for three years from the previous

2016
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,080
expiry date. So it's not quite three

2017
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,560
years now, it's a little less than two,

2018
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:35,199
but essentially gives um the receiver

2019
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:38,159
some time to continue to market the

2020
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:40,480
property. Having the draft plan

2021
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:42,320
approvals as they've identified is

2022
01:23:42,320 --> 01:23:45,040
really critical to that. Um certainly

2023
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:46,800
marketing it for development when it

2024
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,040
doesn't have that status is is a more

2025
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,679
challenging thing. Um, and so the

2026
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:54,159
request is to allow three years from

2027
01:23:54,159 --> 01:23:58,800
April 2nd, 2025 to April 2nd, 2028. Um,

2028
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:01,280
as I say, the previous owner was very

2029
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:03,920
close to finalizing all the remaining

2030
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,719
clearances. And so, um, it's not

2031
01:24:06,719 --> 01:24:08,880
necessarily the case that the receiver

2032
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,280
would have to have secured a developer

2033
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,239
and builder or sell the property. um all

2034
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:16,320
they have to do is make sure that the

2035
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,480
remaining clearances and conditions have

2036
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:20,960
been addressed including critically with

2037
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:24,159
the town of final executed subdivision

2038
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:25,920
agreement.

2039
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,400
Um and then there were some outside

2040
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:30,719
clearances including with the valley

2041
01:24:30,719 --> 01:24:32,560
conservation.

2042
01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:36,239
Uh if the property were to lose its

2043
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:38,080
draft plan approval or if council didn't

2044
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:39,920
grant the reinstatement that's not the

2045
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,440
end of the story for the development.

2046
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:43,840
the other opportunities to reapply for

2047
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,679
essentially the same thing. However,

2048
01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:48,000
that's a longer and certainly a more

2049
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,520
expensive process and more time

2050
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,080
consuming process for the applicant um

2051
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,159
and ultimately has some uncertainties

2052
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:55,840
because we go back through all the

2053
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,239
circulations, public consultations,

2054
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:00,719
appeal periods and it would ultimately

2055
01:25:00,719 --> 01:25:02,239
be a new council that would consider

2056
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:05,040
that as well. So, a different avenue but

2057
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,239
still another avenue to the same to

2058
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:10,159
another path to the same kind of

2059
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:12,639
objective. Um but obviously the

2060
01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:14,400
applicant is here to request a

2061
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,440
reinstatement. Uh the third uh condition

2062
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,600
under the act for this type of request

2063
01:25:19,600 --> 01:25:21,760
is a bit of an odd one and it's really

2064
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,000
been what has taken this much time to

2065
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,800
figure out and that's that there can't

2066
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,600
have been any um purchase and sale

2067
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:32,800
agreements entered into for land by

2068
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,639
description under the original draft

2069
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:36,800
heading. But we're not quite clear what

2070
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,960
the province's objective was was there

2071
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,880
because one of the main purposes of

2072
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:42,560
obtaining draft plan approval was to

2073
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:44,239
allow that to happen. Once you have a

2074
01:25:44,239 --> 01:25:46,320
draft plan approval, you can take

2075
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,920
deposits from interested purchasers and

2076
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,560
um we didn't ever pro we were never

2077
01:25:52,560 --> 01:25:54,239
provided with any purchase and sale

2078
01:25:54,239 --> 01:25:56,400
agreements. Um that is a requirement of

2079
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,159
the subision agreement that be provided.

2080
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:00,960
It wasn't provided. uh the developer who

2081
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:02,480
was working on this project previously

2082
01:26:02,480 --> 01:26:04,480
had indicated there were some pre-sales

2083
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,800
but and we did hear from purchasers

2084
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:08,960
inquiring from time to time about how

2085
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,639
long it would take for their unit to be

2086
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:13,360
ready. However, that the receiver has

2087
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:16,800
specifically um stated by statutory

2088
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,080
declaration that um any agreements that

2089
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:21,840
were made with any other parties have

2090
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:24,320
been disclaimed. they're no longer valid

2091
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,199
and further that um as of the date of

2092
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:30,880
their declaration that there are no um

2093
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:35,600
outstanding personal sale. So that um

2094
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,600
qualifies in discussion with legal

2095
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:40,400
counsel to meet that third requirement

2096
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,719
of the act that there isn't purchase and

2097
01:26:42,719 --> 01:26:45,199
sale agreements outstanding.

2098
01:26:45,199 --> 01:26:47,440
It's been many months, if not more than

2099
01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:50,239
a year, since we've heard from anybody

2100
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:54,639
um who may have thought they had a unit

2101
01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:57,120
reserved in the in the development. So,

2102
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:58,800
we're not seeing any indications that

2103
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,480
there are people looking to challenge

2104
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,560
the receiver or the town on on the

2105
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:05,520
status of anything. So, um we're

2106
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,679
satisfied that the requirements of the

2107
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:11,199
act have met. Um the rest of my report

2108
01:27:11,199 --> 01:27:13,280
um just confirms that procedurally

2109
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,520
there's no public notice requirement for

2110
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:18,159
this step. Um what it would mean is

2111
01:27:18,159 --> 01:27:19,600
essentially it's back to where it was

2112
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:23,760
back before April 2nd, 2025. Um that the

2113
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,320
uh engineering designs and reports can

2114
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:28,719
all be finalized. The sub agreement can

2115
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:30,239
be finalized. That will come before

2116
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:33,040
council before it can be executed. So

2117
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,040
there will be further report to the

2118
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:38,080
council about this um and that they

2119
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:41,360
would have again till April 2nd 2028

2120
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:44,000
uh to secure all those final uh

2121
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,600
approvals.

2122
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,719
Um from there um as I've relayed to

2123
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:50,560
council before I know the interest here

2124
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:52,639
has been well let's get this project

2125
01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:54,800
going and get the homes constructed.

2126
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:56,239
That part is maybe a bit more

2127
01:27:56,239 --> 01:27:59,440
complicated now than it was um even a

2128
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:01,360
year and a half ago. Uh because the

2129
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:03,679
picture has changed as you saw in May of

2130
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,080
this year through Steve's report on um

2131
01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:08,239
servicing allocation. We experienced

2132
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:11,199
higher flows at the windwater plant than

2133
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:13,840
um we anticipated and still getting to

2134
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:17,120
the bottom of the causes of that. Um and

2135
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:18,560
so the recommendation which was

2136
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,560
supported by council in May was to not

2137
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,280
grant any new allocations to development

2138
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,040
um at least for this year until we have

2139
01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,280
more information or the wastewater plant

2140
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:29,760
has advanced far enough in its upgrade

2141
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,320
process to give confidence upon the

2142
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:34,080
timing of when that that additional

2143
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,360
capacity will be provided. So the third

2144
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,360
part of my recommendation deals

2145
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:40,800
specifically with the applicant's

2146
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:43,760
request to reinstate the uh servicing

2147
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,280
capacity and um I've just been upfront

2148
01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:49,199
with them that there frankly isn't

2149
01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:51,360
capacity to allocate at this time which

2150
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:53,280
again is a change in circumstances that

2151
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,159
we didn't foresee um even a year in

2152
01:28:56,159 --> 01:28:57,840
Appalore when we started talking with

2153
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,320
them about this. However, there are ways

2154
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:05,760
to address that um given we also now on the good news front have more

2155
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:07,760
certainty with respect to the funding

2156
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,000
plan for the wastewater plant and that

2157
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:11,679
was the missing piece when this

2158
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:13,040
development was being considered

2159
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,040
previously and frankly an overall

2160
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,239
constraint on development continuing um

2161
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:20,080
beyond what we know was already on the

2162
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,880
books. Um

2163
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:24,880
I have outlined to them the timing and

2164
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,440
the steps involved in the process for

2165
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:30,320
the wastewater plant um procurement and

2166
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,120
award and tendering and um ultimately

2167
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:35,040
the construction and that all of those

2168
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:36,560
boxes have to be checked at the

2169
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,440
appropriate time to create that path of

2170
01:29:39,440 --> 01:29:42,239
certainty to um ensure that the

2171
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:44,159
approvals can move forward to home

2172
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:45,920
construction and then ultimately

2173
01:29:45,920 --> 01:29:49,440
occupancy. Um but we do have now one

2174
01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:51,120
other draft plan of subdivision which

2175
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:52,880
has draft plan approval status which is

2176
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,440
in the same boat and that was approved

2177
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:58,159
um earlier this year for the west side

2178
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:00,400
of town where there's 230 units that are

2179
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:03,040
pending this wastewater plant upgrade.

2180
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:04,800
The conditions and agreements all be

2181
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,880
structured around that and that's what

2182
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:09,760
we would do in this case. to uh work

2183
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:11,520
those provisions into the subdivision

2184
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,400
agreement such that um activity with

2185
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,880
respect to final approvals continue

2186
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,440
while the wastewater plant process uh

2187
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:22,480
for design and tendering approvals and

2188
01:30:22,480 --> 01:30:25,679
ultimately construction are are um

2189
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:28,560
continuing to align steps in the

2190
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,239
building and construction process with

2191
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:32,560
steps in the wastewater plant process.

2192
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,320
As we have more confidence about the

2193
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,159
delivery date of having more capacity

2194
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:38,080
online, then we can give greater

2195
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:39,600
certainty as to the timing of when

2196
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,760
permits may be issued and whether that

2197
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:46,400
needs to happen with a phase manner or what the the release of that would

2198
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,600
look like. Um

2199
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:53,440
so that really is my report. um happy to

2200
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:55,520
um support the direction to see this

2201
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,280
development, you know, finished. And

2202
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,199
this is the best way to do that in my

2203
01:30:59,199 --> 01:31:02,400
opinion to reinstate those draft plans.

2204
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,280
Um create a more a more appetite for a

2205
01:31:05,280 --> 01:31:08,400
builder and developer to come in and u

2206
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:10,080
partner with the receiver or buy the

2207
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,080
property to finish that and then deal

2208
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:13,520
with servicing matters through the

2209
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,120
subdivision agreement to ensure it's

2210
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,480
aligned with the wastewater plan

2211
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:20,560
upgrades. Um so I think that's what I

2212
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,800
wanted to capture in terms of my report.

2213
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:25,280
Um representatives for for the

2214
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,320
development are here um primarily to

2215
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,239
answer questions if council has any of

2216
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:32,000
them. Um they didn't have anything to

2217
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,400
present. So I'll pause there for for any

2218
01:31:34,400 --> 01:31:36,880
comments or questions from C. Thank you.

2219
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,480
>> Okay. C.

2220
01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:41,360
>> Um we've seen this sort of development

2221
01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:42,639
come back and forth so many times now

2222
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:46,480
I'm losing track. Um I thought we like

2223
01:31:46,480 --> 01:31:48,480
allocated like the allocation for them

2224
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:50,320
like I thought we put some aside for

2225
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,960
them specifically and sort of saved it

2226
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,920
so that if it did come we could sort of

2227
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:58,320
grant it. Did that change or did I

2228
01:31:58,320 --> 01:31:59,679
forget something?

2229
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:01,679
>> So I I should have spoke to that in my

2230
01:32:01,679 --> 01:32:04,880
presentation but in my report I took us

2231
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:06,800
back to last fall when there was a party

2232
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:08,480
at the table that was interested in

2233
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:10,719
acquiring the property. um and they made

2234
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:13,040
a presentation and outlined some changes

2235
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:14,800
they were proposing to the unit types

2236
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,280
and the density. And um last fall we we

2237
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:21,120
thought we had more capacity available

2238
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:22,719
for them and for this development

2239
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:26,320
generally than we found out we do. And

2240
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:30,639
so there was a a preliminary reserve

2241
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:32,639
that was granted by council last fall,

2242
01:32:32,639 --> 01:32:34,159
right? but for that request

2243
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:38,000
specifically. Um and that that party did

2244
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,480
not proceed with acquiring the site.

2245
01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:42,800
>> Um and we didn't have the information

2246
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:45,440
then that we do now which is that 25

2247
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:47,760
flows through the plant were much higher

2248
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,800
than we expected. Um we hope that that

2249
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,520
will correct um over the course of the

2250
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,600
next two years but ultimately it's

2251
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,840
another sign that major development is

2252
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,159
going to be heavily reliant on

2253
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,560
wastewater outgrades.

2254
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:03,280
Yeah, that's where

2255
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:04,800
>> with the laping of the draft plan of

2256
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:07,199
approvals, the the allocation also

2257
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:07,920
expired,

2258
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:10,800
>> right? Um we'd love to be able to say we

2259
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,480
should reestablish that now and line

2260
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:15,199
those two things up but um but of an

2261
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:17,679
abundance of caution um you can speak to

2262
01:33:17,679 --> 01:33:19,760
this too as well if needed or

2263
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:20,400
>> of course

2264
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:22,880
>> recommending that no allocation decided

2265
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:23,679
at this time

2266
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:24,080
>> of course

2267
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:26,639
>> and that the proper pathway to the final

2268
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:29,360
approval and the or to the construction

2269
01:33:29,360 --> 01:33:31,679
final approval should be with the base.

2270
01:33:31,679 --> 01:33:36,000
>> Yes. Now, if um we do start seeing

2271
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,400
capacity be available, would something

2272
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:41,920
like this um take priority over the

2273
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,400
west? I because it's tricky, right? It's

2274
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,280
like we want this one sort of it's so

2275
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:48,800
close to being there. Yes.

2276
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:50,800
>> But now they have, you know, somebody

2277
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:52,560
who purchased this now is coming in

2278
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:54,639
after the West End, you know, approval

2279
01:33:54,639 --> 01:33:56,800
and things like that. But so how does

2280
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,880
that work with priority level?

2281
01:33:58,880 --> 01:34:00,880
>> Definitely. And and just to put a finer

2282
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:03,520
point on how serious the flow issue has

2283
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,120
become, there's also been like a

2284
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,360
moratorum on the basement part,

2285
01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:08,080
>> right?

2286
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:11,840
>> Kind of a full stop on on pretty much

2287
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:12,880
everything.

2288
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:16,000
>> Um so what we would look at first is

2289
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,320
just like the super this super capacity

2290
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,159
allocation policy is are those things

2291
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:22,400
that are most ready to go, already have

2292
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,560
pipes in the ground, um have very little

2293
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,560
left to do in terms of permits.

2294
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:28,400
>> Okay. And the number I'm assuming as

2295
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,080
well, right, the sheer volume, how many

2296
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:31,360
go in there compared to

2297
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,840
>> it can be phased. But um I think the

2298
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,800
hope is that as time moves on and we get

2299
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,320
closer to the plant um being upgraded

2300
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:42,000
and that capacity coming online there

2301
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:43,679
might be some phasing or something we

2302
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:44,719
can

2303
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:47,440
>> um start to release smaller in small

2304
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:48,400
numbers

2305
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,960
>> a little bit of capacity

2306
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:52,480
>> but that will really depend on the

2307
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:54,159
circumstances at a time and what what

2308
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:57,520
Steve and his team have um at their hand

2309
01:34:57,520 --> 01:34:59,760
at their fingertips to recommend based

2310
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:02,560
on the science and and the math and

2311
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:03,360
being careful.

2312
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:04,320
>> Yes, of course.

2313
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:05,760
>> Okay. No, that's great. Thank you so

2314
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,080
much for clarifying.

2315
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:08,960
>> I'm good.

2316
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,239
>> Did you want to add anything?

2317
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,920
>> Uh just we had uh talked about how the

2318
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:20,080
set is very much in line with how uh

2319
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:21,679
was

2320
01:35:21,679 --> 01:35:24,639
stop. Um I think one thing you need

2321
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:26,719
council to know that even during the

2322
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:29,920
construction phase there are times where

2323
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,440
half be taking off for that construction

2324
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:35,840
actually to happen. So that's why we are

2325
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,280
taking cautious approach. Um and I guess

2326
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:41,679
the only other we have is that if

2327
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:43,280
council recalls when we do these

2328
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,520
calculations they're based on the

2329
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,040
average.

2330
01:35:47,040 --> 01:35:49,120
So

2331
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:51,679
the number magically dropping is not a

2332
01:35:51,679 --> 01:35:54,080
high likel at this point. It's not like

2333
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,480
the use of deep flows was event that

2334
01:35:56,480 --> 01:35:59,120
significantly affected the plant that

2335
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:03,360
caused um uh bypass this past year as

2336
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:07,440
well which emphasizes the the issue of

2337
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:11,520
uh of being cautious but average time

2338
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,880
back as well. So I I

2339
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:18,719
expect that this place with a tender

2340
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:19,360
contract.

2341
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,600
>> Okay, makes sense.

2342
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,679
>> Yeah. And I mean certainly from the

2343
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:25,840
receivers's perspective, I I can see

2344
01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:28,480
that marketing this property is much

2345
01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:31,280
easier. Those plans are still in place.

2346
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,719
So I mean I certainly have no problem

2347
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:34,800
doing that.

2348
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:39,280
See this bad. Um but but I think both

2349
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:41,199
absolutely right in terms of the

2350
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:43,520
allocation

2351
01:36:43,520 --> 01:36:44,639
that

2352
01:36:44,639 --> 01:36:46,719
>> even if we wanted to that's just not

2353
01:36:46,719 --> 01:36:49,760
realistic option.

2354
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:50,560
>> Yeah.

2355
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,709
>> So

2356
01:36:54,719 --> 01:36:56,480
» yeah for sure

2357
01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:59,119
>> other comments

2358
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:00,800
want to make motion for the

2359
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:02,719
recommendation by deputy mayor hall

2360
01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:05,760
second by councelor sample.

2361
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,920
So just to to summarize, we're receiving

2362
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,719
Steve's report. We are effectively

2363
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:13,920
extending draft plan of subdivision uh

2364
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:16,639
and and draft plan of common elements

2365
01:37:16,639 --> 01:37:19,119
convenient uh for three years from the

2366
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:21,840
date of expiry which was April 2nd,

2367
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,119
2025. So effectively giving this life

2368
01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:28,239
until April 2nd, 2028. Uh but the

2369
01:37:28,239 --> 01:37:30,159
servicing allocation is being deferred

2370
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,560
until we have a better idea of what

2371
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,440
capacity we actually have to work with.

2372
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:39,280
Okay. All in favor?

2373
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:46,310
>> Thanks, guys.

2374
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:53,270
» Oh, man. I know that.

2375
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,590
» All right.

2376
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,760
» So, as I said, we're going to move uh

2377
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:03,440
item number five up next. So, Deep

2378
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:06,080
Pratt, welcome.

2379
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,360
Thank you, your worship, members of

2380
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,639
council, staff, uh I sort of apologize

2381
01:38:10,639 --> 01:38:12,639
for putting such a lengthy document in

2382
01:38:12,639 --> 01:38:16,239
front of you. Uh but I felt uh through

2383
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:18,080
direction of the fire board and and

2384
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,639
personally that uh I wanted to get all

2385
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:22,480
the establishing and regulating bylaws

2386
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:24,800
updated to accurately reflect the level

2387
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:29,119
of service uh that we provide our uh

2388
01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:33,040
partner municipalities and uh further to

2389
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:34,800
address some of the legislation that has

2390
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:36,639
changed since the last DNR bylaw was

2391
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:38,800
written. We have the CRA which I believe

2392
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:42,960
is 2018. Uh I'm happy to report that uh

2393
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,360
the mandatory certification piece that

2394
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:49,440
was legislated July 1st, 2026, we are in

2395
01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:51,119
compliance

2396
01:38:51,119 --> 01:38:54,320
uh and working towards the the piece

2397
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:59,600
that'll be July 1st, 2028. So really

2398
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:00,639
I [snorts] don't want to take a lot of

2399
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:02,320
credit for the document is largely a

2400
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:04,560
cookie cutter document that many of the

2401
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:06,400
fire services throughout the province

2402
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,840
are using. uh it accurately reflects

2403
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,760
again the levels of service that we

2404
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,159
provide and I I I said to the fire board

2405
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:16,239
and I know I've probably said it here as

2406
01:39:16,239 --> 01:39:18,800
well that uh one of the most important

2407
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:21,119
clauses to me in the document is the

2408
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,840
limited service clause knowing that we

2409
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:27,199
are a volunteer fire department although

2410
01:39:27,199 --> 01:39:30,719
we paper call staff everybody is you

2411
01:39:30,719 --> 01:39:32,400
know coming from their place of

2412
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:34,320
residence or their place of employment

2413
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,639
so there really is no guarantee when the

2414
01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:39,520
tones go off that uh that anybody's

2415
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,320
going to attend. Um so [clears throat]

2416
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,159
that clause is there just in case

2417
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:46,880
there's some horrendous event that you

2418
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,639
know prevents staff from getting to the

2419
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:51,360
fire hall from the residence etc. or you

2420
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,119
know something

2421
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:54,639
you know the last two nights we've had

2422
01:39:54,639 --> 01:39:56,719
two calls simultaneously. So you're

2423
01:39:56,719 --> 01:39:59,119
running trucks you know to this incident

2424
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:00,719
and then you get another incident and

2425
01:40:00,719 --> 01:40:03,040
you just can't prepare for that. So that

2426
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:04,880
that's why I think the limited service

2427
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,199
clause is important to me at least to us

2428
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:08,639
as an organization and to

2429
01:40:08,639 --> 01:40:12,880
municipalities. So uh again I think it's

2430
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,280
pretty straightforward.

2431
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,840
I've been to council previously to talk

2432
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,000
about the levels of service that's

2433
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,600
reflected in the bylaw. Uh this bylaw

2434
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,280
doesn't change our levels of service. It

2435
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,360
doesn't affect our budget. It's just

2436
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,119
kind of making sure that you know

2437
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:32,000
everything we do is is captured and that

2438
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:33,679
we are current with all the current

2439
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:35,840
legislation that uh whether it's through

2440
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:37,760
the well through the FBPA the fire

2441
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,840
protection and prevention act or its

2442
01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:42,239
regulations. So I'd be more than happy

2443
01:40:42,239 --> 01:40:46,320
to answer any questions. Uh again we are

2444
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:49,760
compliant with the July 1 uh regulation

2445
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:51,760
of mandatory certification. So, I'm

2446
01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:53,199
going to bring the report to the fire

2447
01:40:53,199 --> 01:40:55,920
board at our next meeting just uh kind

2448
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:59,280
of as an awareness piece. Uh but other

2449
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,119
than that, you know, unless there's

2450
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,840
something specific, uh again, it's just

2451
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,320
to try and make sure that what we are

2452
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:09,360
providing our our member municipalities,

2453
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,440
people know what level of service. And

2454
01:41:11,440 --> 01:41:13,119
conversely, you know, if we have an

2455
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:14,560
incident that we don't provide that

2456
01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:15,920
level of service, people understand

2457
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:17,280
that, you know what, we're not trained

2458
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,840
to provide that and we might have to

2459
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,080
reach out to, you know, a neighboring

2460
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,159
municipality or maybe even the province

2461
01:41:24,159 --> 01:41:27,280
to provide that service. So, those those

2462
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:30,080
contingencies are in place as well.

2463
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:31,440
>> And like you said, just to maybe

2464
01:41:31,440 --> 01:41:33,600
understand that it's volunteer based,

2465
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:36,239
right? Like, you know, you said it's not

2466
01:41:36,239 --> 01:41:38,239
all people will be able to come to the

2467
01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:40,800
call. So that does limit our ability

2468
01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:41,760
sometimes.

2469
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:48,320
>> Yeah. Similar to the library, we have a full-time equivalent of two. So, uh,

2470
01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:50,159
we have more volunteers staff that do

2471
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:51,600
get paid by the hour, but yeah, there is

2472
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,000
no there is no guarantee. We have a a

2473
01:41:54,000 --> 01:41:56,320
great dedicated group of staff and,

2474
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:58,159
>> you know, but everybody has, you know,

2475
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:00,960
careers and family life, etc. So, we can

2476
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:02,719
never predict, you know, when the tones

2477
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,560
are going to go off and, you know, how

2478
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,080
many different incidents we might call

2479
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,159
to at the same time. So, it's just kind

2480
01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:10,960
of a bit of a protection, but more

2481
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:13,199
importantly to me, it's, you know, to be

2482
01:42:13,199 --> 01:42:19,270
compliant with recent legislation.

2483
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:23,199
» Okay. Questions for

2484
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:27,890
you doing a bit of work.

2485
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:28,960
[laughter]

2486
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:32,000
>> Can we save that conversation for uh for

2487
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:32,639
a couple weeks?

2488
01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:35,440
>> We can. Yeah, absolutely. We're the only

2489
01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:42,070
one Right.

2490
01:42:42,080 --> 01:42:43,440
» Okay. All right.

2491
01:42:43,440 --> 01:42:45,440
>> And your current one is the most recent.

2492
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:48,880
So the gold stars for children.

2493
01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:51,920
>> That's good. That's good. Um just just

2494
01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,000
one sort of quick point on on response.

2495
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:56,639
So yeah, I mean it is volunteer, but

2496
01:42:56,639 --> 01:42:58,400
compared to a lot of other volunteer

2497
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,800
services, I think we're lucky in terms

2498
01:43:00,800 --> 01:43:03,520
of the response get in most cases,

2499
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:04,960
right?

2500
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:06,960
>> Yeah. It's it's quite honestly it's a

2501
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:08,880
constant conversation at the chief level

2502
01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:11,840
to say, you know, how is your response?

2503
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:13,760
How are you doing to, you know, to

2504
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:17,280
attract staff? Uh we we we just lost

2505
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:20,239
one, but we we have a compliment of 38.

2506
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:23,119
Right now we're at 37. Uh so there is

2507
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:24,800
conversation with the other fire chiefs

2508
01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:26,560
about doing another recruitment early in

2509
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:28,159
the new year so that we obtain our

2510
01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:31,920
levels. But as far as response, you

2511
01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,560
know, we're and I report to the fire

2512
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,320
board monthly as you're aware in terms

2513
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,560
of our trying to meet certain standards.

2514
01:43:38,560 --> 01:43:40,400
NFPA, which is the National Fire

2515
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,239
Protection Association, has certain

2516
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:44,400
standards for fire departments. And I

2517
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:46,480
think we we're very close. We're very

2518
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:47,760
good in terms of meeting those

2519
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,159
standards, especially for part-time or

2520
01:43:50,159 --> 01:43:52,960
volunteer department.

2521
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,360
I would commend the employers that do

2522
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:56,320
support

2523
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:58,239
>> and encourage some of the other

2524
01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:01,199
employers to to look at opportunities

2525
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,440
for these individuals

2526
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:06,719
to get them to support.

2527
01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:09,119
>> Yeah. And and I think again we've been

2528
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:12,320
very lucky to have employers who are

2529
01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:14,400
supportive that say look if you get a

2530
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:16,719
call day

2531
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:18,560
go ahead

2532
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:22,950
and that doesn't happen in

2533
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,802
Okay, any other questions?

2534
01:44:25,802 --> 01:44:27,360
[snorts] Okay, so we need a motion to

2535
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:30,880
receive the chief's report and then for

2536
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,040
uh leave to be given for the reading and

2537
01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:36,719
enacting of bylaw number 34-2026

2538
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:39,119
which is a bylaw to establish and

2539
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:40,719
regulate his fire department for the

2540
01:44:40,719 --> 01:44:42,800
town of Shelmer

2541
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:46,320
by Deputy Mayor Hall second by Mr.

2542
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,320
Sample. [snorts]

2543
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:50,480
All in favor?

2544
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:52,080
Okay, thank you sir.

2545
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:54,880
>> Thank you worship for meeting me up the

2546
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,639
line, sir.

2547
01:44:56,639 --> 01:44:58,000
Looking forward to the next See you

2548
01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:58,960
soon. [laughter]

2549
01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,840
>> Okay, take care everyone. Thank you.

2550
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,760
>> See you now.

2551
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,360
>> All right, back on track. So, next is

2552
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,679
the report from our CEO regarding

2553
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:11,920
traffic calming strategies.

2554
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:16,629
>> Thanks

2555
01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:19,840
detailed data. So I'm going to present

2556
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,480
an overview without hopefully happy to

2557
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,400
take us back for every aspect of the

2558
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,239
traffic economy that we undertake in

2559
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:28,080
ASH.

2560
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:31,760
Um Jim Moss the director is part of this

2561
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:33,920
report as is Steve Bernett and Steve

2562
01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:36,320
Weaver. He had a a role to play as well.

2563
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:39,040
So he's quite excited about um

2564
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:41,128
something.

2565
01:45:41,128 --> 01:45:41,760
[laughter]

2566
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,800
So um the SBA report which is a very

2567
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,639
technical document is attached pending

2568
01:45:46,639 --> 01:45:47,840
squad. So that really is the

2569
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:49,760
nitty-gritty of components of the

2570
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:51,199
project. And if you have specific

2571
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:52,480
questions after I'm done, I'm going to

2572
01:45:52,480 --> 01:45:54,080
direct all those to Steve in terms of

2573
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:56,719
functionality to CO and the program and

2574
01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:58,719
why those elements of the traffic

2575
01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:00,880
program are so essential to the strategy

2576
01:46:00,880 --> 01:46:03,679
that we were trying to implement. Um

2577
01:46:03,679 --> 01:46:06,080
obviously just a bit of history with the

2578
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:08,239
elimination of the ASV program,

2579
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,639
municipalities lost that ability to use

2580
01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:12,639
those cameras to control speed. We know

2581
01:46:12,639 --> 01:46:14,800
that, you know, anecdotally from what

2582
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,320
we've heard that speed has increased in

2583
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:19,199
our town. We hear from data that in

2584
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:20,400
other communities that have removed

2585
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,400
them, they're they're experiencing

2586
01:46:22,400 --> 01:46:25,360
significant speed. Um, so traffic coming

2587
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:27,119
is a critical way to slow traffic down,

2588
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:28,719
which is actually contrary to some of

2589
01:46:28,719 --> 01:46:31,360
the the the foundational visions of

2590
01:46:31,360 --> 01:46:33,440
others who want to move traffic

2591
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:36,159
seamlessly. So how do we actually coales

2592
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:38,000
those responsibilities? Well, that's our

2593
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:42,560
traffic program. So in addition to

2594
01:46:42,560 --> 01:46:44,560
slowing traffic down, there's some other

2595
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,480
benefits from traffic caling. There's

2596
01:46:46,480 --> 01:46:47,920
quality of life issues. There's

2597
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:50,320
pedestrian safety. There is noise

2598
01:46:50,320 --> 01:46:52,880
reduction. And there's other elements of

2599
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:54,960
road safety that we've outlined that I'm

2600
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,199
going to address. Last of regarding road

2601
01:46:57,199 --> 01:46:59,679
rationalization. So when the province

2602
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:03,520
eliminated the program, um they

2603
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:05,440
implemented a supplemental opportunity

2604
01:47:05,440 --> 01:47:10,320
called the road safety initiative fund. In contrast to how much

2605
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,000
revenue was being generated through the

2606
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,239
AF program that can support the

2607
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:16,480
community's traffic calming initiatives,

2608
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,159
this is a drop in the bucket to be fair,

2609
01:47:18,159 --> 01:47:20,080
but it's still an important fund that we

2610
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:21,920
want want to apply for. One of the

2611
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:24,560
recommendations outlines council that we

2612
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:26,000
will be applying for that and just

2613
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,040
making sure aware of um so the traffic

2614
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:30,639
comic strategy that we've developed and

2615
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:32,719
again the majority of all of that

2616
01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:35,920
technical work was completed by SBA. Um,

2617
01:47:35,920 --> 01:47:38,000
within the body of the report are some

2618
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,840
highlights and they're specific to what

2619
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:42,080
is eligible through the funding program

2620
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:44,159
which you have to be within 500 meters

2621
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:46,320
of where your camera was. So, we went

2622
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:48,080
through the mapping to identify all of

2623
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:50,800
the tools and the locations where those

2624
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,639
trafficcoming initiatives would be done.

2625
01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:55,840
I will note that one traffic island was

2626
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,480
highlighted in this report for William

2627
01:47:58,480 --> 01:48:01,119
and me. Um, I did write that would be

2628
01:48:01,119 --> 01:48:02,800
undertaken in August. I was on vacation

2629
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:05,040
last week and it started today. So, I

2630
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:06,800
was a little bit behind the eightball

2631
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:09,119
there, but the critical thing about that

2632
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:11,600
is it will address a couple of things. U

2633
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:13,600
the no left terms, which have been a

2634
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,080
real problem for us and preempting that

2635
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,320
date, have been difficult with signage.

2636
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,800
This should be a key um component of

2637
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:22,719
that and we've also joked today, but I

2638
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:23,840
think we're not joking that we're going

2639
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,440
to put some flower box on it and it's

2640
01:48:25,440 --> 01:48:27,920
going to be our manual on flower box.

2641
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:30,960
So, I will look at that. So the list of

2642
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:32,400
everything that we're recommending

2643
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,560
that's within the 500 meters is on page

2644
01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:37,360
four of four and five of 11. Not going

2645
01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:39,760
to get into that total budget on that

2646
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,800
eligible vote just over 1 million. And

2647
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:44,400
then when we get to the actual budget

2648
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:46,000
I'm going to flip that to Carrie if you

2649
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,080
have questions with respect to all of

2650
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:50,639
the what we have funding for from the

2651
01:48:50,639 --> 01:48:53,199
preunding what we have eligibility for

2652
01:48:53,199 --> 01:48:55,040
from the application funding and what we

2653
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,880
have in terms of our ASF funding

2654
01:48:56,880 --> 01:49:00,159
received and to follow. So we've looked

2655
01:49:00,159 --> 01:49:02,719
at an implementation schedule based on

2656
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,639
strategy for what would be happening in

2657
01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:07,600
2026 um because we can use our existing

2658
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:11,920
money for that and it's really still a robust program and what other

2659
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:13,280
than the concrete island which is

2660
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,920
underway within the 27 package which

2661
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:17,600
would require some of the applications

2662
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:19,840
to be undertaken engineering work to be

2663
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,239
done and that program to be initiated.

2664
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:24,480
What is specific and while you do not

2665
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:27,119
have to approve this uh we decided as

2666
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:28,880
staff that it would be important to have

2667
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,080
you approve the literal location of the

2668
01:49:32,080 --> 01:49:34,000
speed bumps. These are permanent speed

2669
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,239
bumps. And I know you feel like you had

2670
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:37,920
questions in terms of spacing or

2671
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,639
comments. Um, and you might go, "Are you

2672
01:49:40,639 --> 01:49:43,760
are you serious? 10 on one road." Yes.

2673
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:46,400
Because one is inefficient, two is

2674
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:49,360
ineffective, and you have to have a a

2675
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,360
continual number of them in order to

2676
01:49:51,360 --> 01:49:53,280
slow that traffic. So, you do not have

2677
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,280
speed. Get over the hump. Speed again.

2678
01:49:55,280 --> 01:49:57,679
So just in terms of outreach, we didn't

2679
01:49:57,679 --> 01:50:00,159
want the community to then contact you

2680
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:01,920
as members of council and say, "Why is

2681
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,440
this happening on my street? Are you

2682
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:04,719
aware of it?" And you're going to say,

2683
01:50:04,719 --> 01:50:06,560
"Well, it was in a staff report, but I'm

2684
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,719
not really sure." So those locations are

2685
01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:12,239
very prescriptive for that reason. Um so

2686
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:15,199
really that's the heart of this report.

2687
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:17,679
Um in terms of the technical what we've

2688
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:20,800
added to this because we have so many

2689
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,280
questions of staff and we've had review

2690
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,440
with respect to locations of projects

2691
01:50:25,440 --> 01:50:28,159
that are listed through the SBA analysis

2692
01:50:28,159 --> 01:50:30,560
is another issue and that is called road

2693
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:32,320
rationalization and how do you tie that

2694
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:35,520
into trafficcoming because the literal

2695
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:38,800
ability to make decisions on road is

2696
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,560
affected by the jurisdiction under which

2697
01:50:40,560 --> 01:50:42,560
it's controlled by. So within the town

2698
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:44,480
of Shelurn, council has many questions

2699
01:50:44,480 --> 01:50:47,679
to staff that involve Highway 124, which

2700
01:50:47,679 --> 01:50:50,080
is actually county road 124. I know we

2701
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:51,840
hear that. We got to correct that. Not

2702
01:50:51,840 --> 01:50:54,960
in a not like they just and then county

2703
01:50:54,960 --> 01:50:57,600
road 11, which runs adj.

2704
01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,000
So we listed a number of things that

2705
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,040
jurisdictional adjustments would allow.

2706
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,920
And then we had a we had a speeding

2707
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:07,760
adjustment for at the requested council

2708
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:11,360
to drop 11 and drop 124 down to 40 for a

2709
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:13,199
reason. It was more about the abutment

2710
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:15,600
and that intersection at 124 and 89

2711
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:17,679
where we know schools will be walking in

2712
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:19,520
the future. We have a lot of pedestrian

2713
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,800
traffic there. We were part of the we

2714
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:24,719
support vision zero in principle because

2715
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:26,719
we know we have the data that if you're

2716
01:51:26,719 --> 01:51:28,639
a pedestrian and you're hit at 40, your

2717
01:51:28,639 --> 01:51:31,040
chance of survival is a lot higher than

2718
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:33,280
if you're hit at 60. And we know that

2719
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:35,199
the demographic of that crossing tends

2720
01:51:35,199 --> 01:51:36,960
to be a lot of seniors and children. So

2721
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:38,800
that's one thing. Um [snorts]

2722
01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:39,840
I'm going to read this list

2723
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,840
intentionally so that it's an awareness

2724
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,159
that you have better control over your

2725
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:45,679
road access for development. We deal

2726
01:51:45,679 --> 01:51:48,880
with that a lot. Um we have situations

2727
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:50,800
where trails and linkages could be

2728
01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,639
better managed. For example, in terms of

2729
01:51:52,639 --> 01:51:55,280
part surfacing and connections within a

2730
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,320
protocol that the town

2731
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,040
we've identified in our project scheme

2732
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:03,920
um crosswalks of PXOs and many of those

2733
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:05,840
need to be on those roads that we do not

2734
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:07,280
control because we know that those

2735
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:10,080
linkages cross park, those linkages on

2736
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,960
24 over to Fieldgate, those are also

2737
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,599
critical. Um, and while we don't have

2738
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:18,719
the ability uh to do bike lanes or hard

2739
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:20,960
surfaces within our roadways for many

2740
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:22,639
reasons, there may be opportunities to

2741
01:52:22,639 --> 01:52:24,800
do those within shared pedestrian

2742
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,480
corridors like sidewalks. And I know

2743
01:52:26,480 --> 01:52:28,480
I've skipped sidewalks, but sidewalks on

2744
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:30,239
certain roads. We know that we are

2745
01:52:30,239 --> 01:52:31,840
hearing community input that they would

2746
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:34,719
like to see a sidewalk on 124 between

2747
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:37,119
Wasow Way and down. And we have been a

2748
01:52:37,119 --> 01:52:41,760
staff working on that. Again, that road is not within our

2749
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:43,520
jurisdiction. So there has to be some

2750
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:45,760
kind of different approach to get that

2751
01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:47,679
and it most likely will not be all the

2752
01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:49,920
way down. It will be down and over. So

2753
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:52,639
again, yeah.

2754
01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:54,080
>> Um the other thing that I know our

2755
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,080
industrial partners and many of our

2756
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,560
largest employers in the town of Shelurn

2757
01:52:58,560 --> 01:53:00,639
um are dealing with or have to deal with

2758
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:02,880
where the town has had to be I guess a

2759
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:04,719
conduit and voice to help advocate on

2760
01:53:04,719 --> 01:53:06,800
that if

2761
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:08,719
jurisdictions that we would be having

2762
01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:12,320
oversight of those probably not in. And

2763
01:53:12,320 --> 01:53:14,000
then the biggest issue and this is where

2764
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:17,360
the planning side meets um the technical

2765
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,840
engineering urban side is we are aware

2766
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:22,320
that in other larger geographic counties

2767
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:23,563
or regional government there is

2768
01:53:23,563 --> 01:53:25,360
[clears throat] a difference

2769
01:53:25,360 --> 01:53:28,960
taken when rural or county ride road

2770
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,280
integrate with an urbanization and that

2771
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:34,159
the whole traffic calming design

2772
01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:36,000
adjusts. So for example, when that road

2773
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,080
enters urbanization area, there's

2774
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,320
automatically an expectation or a design

2775
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,480
premise that there would be a sidewalk,

2776
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:43,920
there would be biking, pedestrian

2777
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:45,360
support, there would be different

2778
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,760
intersectional adjustments and the whole

2779
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,520
design changes from moving traffic

2780
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,400
seamlessly to pedestrian first. So

2781
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,080
again, that's in there and that is

2782
01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:56,880
really what is under the fleet streets

2783
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:59,840
type of planning approach to management.

2784
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:01,840
I know this is a big app. I know that

2785
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,719
the um

2786
01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:06,480
road rationalization of the county was

2787
01:54:06,480 --> 01:54:08,719
put on hold temporarily in February. We

2788
01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:10,239
were not part of any road that was

2789
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:13,280
adjusted. Um I won't comment on

2790
01:54:13,280 --> 01:54:15,040
consultation and how engaged we were or

2791
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:16,639
not. We um we would like [clears throat]

2792
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:18,080
more engagement going forward. So that

2793
01:54:18,080 --> 01:54:20,000
request is to reopen up that

2794
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:21,679
conversation to make these formal

2795
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:23,760
requests. And I'm going to say what they

2796
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,400
are from County Road 124 from Highway 89

2797
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:30,320
to 124 way point up. Um it's from County

2798
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,880
Road 11 for the intersection of 189 all

2799
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:36,320
the way over to 30 and then just to make

2800
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,280
it more complete link street approach we

2801
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,040
would go from side road 30 all the way

2802
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:43,280
over Victoria.

2803
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:45,280
Okay. So that that is not really

2804
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,679
technically usually what you'd consider

2805
01:54:47,679 --> 01:54:50,000
within a traffic calming report, but it

2806
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:51,760
is important for us to achieve our goals

2807
01:54:51,760 --> 01:54:53,920
and objectives in traffic, especially

2808
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:56,239
with the project list and the locations

2809
01:54:56,239 --> 01:54:58,880
that SBA has identified within this

2810
01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:01,280
meeting do. So that and that in the

2811
01:55:01,280 --> 01:55:03,679
summary is it got the locations of

2812
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:07,440
stems. I would want if Steve or Jim um

2813
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:10,320
are then hearing on the finances to

2814
01:55:10,320 --> 01:55:11,760
address any questions on behalf of the

2815
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:16,000
council to share it with my colleagues.

2816
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:18,159
I can maybe go first. The only thing I

2817
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:19,679
want to say is that the way it was set

2818
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:22,719
up as far as timing was for balancing

2819
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:24,320
what would be done this year and what

2820
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,800
money was already available

2821
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:29,760
then what funds applying funding make

2822
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:33,280
sure that funds are placed

2823
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:35,360
through and really maximizing that

2824
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,679
funding.

2825
01:55:37,679 --> 01:55:39,840
I'm not going to bore council by reading

2826
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,840
every single one, but we have tried to

2827
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,320
break it out very clearly where we're

2828
01:55:44,320 --> 01:55:48,560
doing uh speed bumps or cushions as it's

2829
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:50,400
referred to in the reports. That way you

2830
01:55:50,400 --> 01:55:52,159
can exactly see what street, what

2831
01:55:52,159 --> 01:55:53,679
intersection

2832
01:55:53,679 --> 01:55:56,719
uh raise sidewalks to try and help

2833
01:55:56,719 --> 01:55:59,679
similarly at intersections on where the

2834
01:55:59,679 --> 01:56:01,520
PXOs were recommended. I think there's

2835
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:05,440
five total um where the signage and sort

2836
01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:07,040
of narrowing

2837
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:11,360
or having a lot of

2838
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:13,760
um so I think it's something that go

2839
01:56:13,760 --> 01:56:15,599
through and actually see there is a map

2840
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:22,550
back to highlight

2841
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:25,040
just from a planning perspective as you

2842
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,599
can see most of the development has been

2843
01:56:27,599 --> 01:56:29,760
more around per

2844
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,880
in those um locations were dealing with

2845
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,679
road that aren't in the town's

2846
01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:39,360
jurisdiction and describing those see

2847
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:43,280
how they look at the open ditches

2848
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:46,400
shoulders. Um they're designed primarily

2849
01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:48,239
to move traffic through the area as

2850
01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:51,360
quickly as possible and to avoid uh

2851
01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:53,599
intersections and and other things that

2852
01:56:53,599 --> 01:56:57,520
either slow traffic down stop. And um

2853
01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,679
the the local mindset is we need access

2854
01:56:59,679 --> 01:57:02,960
to property. We need streets that can

2855
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:05,040
accommodate more than just cars. Uh we

2856
01:57:05,040 --> 01:57:08,080
need pedestrian safety. The more cars

2857
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:09,840
and higher speed that they're going, the

2858
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:13,199
more risk there is to pedestrians. And

2859
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:17,280
um we need opportunities.

2860
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,920
And when you start to add storm sewers

2861
01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:23,360
and curves and intersections and line

2862
01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,920
painting and separated pathways, the

2863
01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:27,760
safety increases and then suddenly the

2864
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:32,149
traffic speed

2865
01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:34,159
or anyone who's driving out of the

2866
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:36,800
countryside auto

2867
01:57:36,800 --> 01:57:39,119
bit faster. There's less risk than when

2868
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:42,159
you're in town and you're surrounded by

2869
01:57:42,159 --> 01:57:45,520
all these other physical features.

2870
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,599
Um so this would the road

2871
01:57:47,599 --> 01:57:52,159
rationalization is is really um a way to

2872
01:57:52,159 --> 01:57:54,880
integrate roads and lanes better because

2873
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,800
it brings that more wholesome picture of

2874
01:57:56,800 --> 01:58:00,880
roads into the planning realm um versus

2875
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,440
looking at it primarily

2876
01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:05,040
well a developer wants to do something

2877
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:07,119
on a road let's make them their section

2878
01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:09,840
of road fix it up and urbanize it and

2879
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,000
implement some improvements have more

2880
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:14,239
comprehensive view let's prepare the

2881
01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:16,719
roads so that they are aligned very

2882
01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:21,189
development and automation.

2883
01:58:21,199 --> 01:58:23,520
It is something that involves a lot of

2884
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:26,080
cost and design and all those things.

2885
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:30,239
But um you know just bring an integrated

2886
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:32,880
planning and engineering locally control

2887
01:58:32,880 --> 01:58:34,800
mindset

2888
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:37,119
and and to that point Steve one of the

2889
01:58:37,119 --> 01:58:39,520
things I don't think it's any surprise

2890
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,119
but and I'm sure others feel the same

2891
01:58:41,119 --> 01:58:44,080
way but one of you know biggest iridence

2892
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:45,440
that that I've had is that we haven't

2893
01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:47,840
been able to make progress on on solving

2894
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:51,360
that safety issue along

2895
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:53,840
Um I mean if if we are able to to

2896
01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:56,800
achieve this have that ownership threat

2897
01:58:56,800 --> 01:59:00,159
to the town setting aside the obvious

2898
01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:02,719
you know budget issues which which

2899
01:59:02,719 --> 01:59:04,719
council will have to deal with. I mean

2900
01:59:04,719 --> 01:59:06,239
just just from a logistical point of

2901
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:09,360
view and it could be evident to move

2902
01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:11,679
pretty quickly to get that resolved

2903
01:59:11,679 --> 01:59:12,560
right.

2904
01:59:12,560 --> 01:59:15,040
>> Yeah. as the other thing it enables is

2905
01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:17,360
um well while cost is one of the biggest

2906
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:19,599
challenges with that is that it's a

2907
01:59:19,599 --> 01:59:21,360
different view of what grow standard

2908
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,199
should be and then actually enables

2909
01:59:23,199 --> 01:59:25,599
growth related

2910
01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:28,400
right now

2911
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:31,440
asset you don't really mean to collect

2912
01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,119
development charges or build it into

2913
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,599
your uh capital

2914
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:38,880
you're rely on

2915
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,599
municipal government to do that that

2916
01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:48,870
then links it to countywide development.

2917
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:51,840
So it definitely brings more opportunity

2918
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:57,599
to do it sooner and resource funding for

2919
01:59:57,599 --> 01:59:58,000
more.

2920
01:59:58,000 --> 01:59:59,840
>> Yeah.

2921
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:02,239
The only thought I had relative to that

2922
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:05,440
is as Denise mentioned the sort of you

2923
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:08,000
know wholesome countywide broke

2924
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,080
rationalization project has kind of been

2925
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:13,679
put on ice for a while. Um, and there's

2926
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:16,639
a lot of issues at play there, but I

2927
02:00:16,639 --> 02:00:18,400
still think that something like this

2928
02:00:18,400 --> 02:00:20,639
could make happen

2929
02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:22,320
regardless of what goes on with the rest

2930
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:25,040
of that that project. So, um, but I I

2931
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:26,719
think having a formal motion where

2932
02:00:26,719 --> 02:00:28,639
council's blessing that transfer of

2933
02:00:28,639 --> 02:00:29,920
ownership

2934
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,560
>> allows, you know, those of us who are

2935
02:00:32,560 --> 02:00:34,239
representatives at the county table to

2936
02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:35,868
say, "Okay, well, you know, let's let's

2937
02:00:35,868 --> 02:00:36,960
[clears throat] figure this out and make

2938
02:00:36,960 --> 02:00:39,360
it happen.

2939
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:43,350
Any

2940
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:45,520
other questions on this? Sorry, I didn't

2941
02:00:45,520 --> 02:00:46,800
know if your hand is off. Oh, it

2942
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:49,280
>> is now.

2943
02:00:49,280 --> 02:00:52,159
>> Um, so I see in the list of areas that

2944
02:00:52,159 --> 02:00:54,800
you've got like those floppy bullards.

2945
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:56,080
>> We like the floppy bullards.

2946
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:57,520
>> You guys like them,

2947
02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,360
>> but they don't slow traffic.

2948
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:00,080
>> They do.

2949
02:01:00,080 --> 02:01:00,880
>> They don't.

2950
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:02,880
>> We have to feed things to show us.

2951
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:04,800
>> Well, I was

2952
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:08,159
>> You were speeding. I mean,

2953
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:12,239
>> I just happened to be in the area

2954
02:01:12,239 --> 02:01:14,080
and

2955
02:01:14,080 --> 02:01:16,159
First Avenue

2956
02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:19,119
where I was that day, they were not

2957
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:23,040
slowing. And it was I was to the point

2958
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:24,239
where I said, "Okay, I got to get out of

2959
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:25,199
here because something's going to

2960
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:26,719
happen. There's going to be an accident

2961
02:01:26,719 --> 02:01:28,719
because it was so fast."

2962
02:01:28,719 --> 02:01:32,400
So I I find in Greenwood or Phil Park,

2963
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:35,599
sorry, where I live, uh, they ain't

2964
02:01:35,599 --> 02:01:37,679
slowing anybody down that area that I

2965
02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:41,040
can see. So

2966
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:42,639
>> worship

2967
02:01:42,639 --> 02:01:44,719
been there myself have noticed that some

2968
02:01:44,719 --> 02:01:46,320
people they just won't slow down

2969
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:48,800
anyways. Some of the flexible rollers

2970
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:49,920
have taken a beating.

2971
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:51,360
>> Yeah, I've seen that, too.

2972
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:52,960
>> They don't care about their vehicle.

2973
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,679
They're just going to pop back up. But

2974
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:58,960
it it does slow a lot of people down and

2975
02:01:58,960 --> 02:02:02,480
it just narrows the road. Um it throws

2976
02:02:02,480 --> 02:02:04,480
off their perception of others where it

2977
02:02:04,480 --> 02:02:07,520
just forces them to slow me down.

2978
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:10,239
>> I I I get that. But there's still a lot

2979
02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:14,159
that figured it out and especially I'm

2980
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:18,480
gonna say probably 16, 17, 18, 19, 20

2981
02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:21,920
years old that figured out how to get

2982
02:02:21,920 --> 02:02:25,360
there quickly through that. Uh there is

2983
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:28,080
a federal park lane. There are

2984
02:02:28,080 --> 02:02:30,239
recommendations in here for other

2985
02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:33,840
measures to uh elevated uh intersections

2986
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:35,760
as well as the street crossings, that

2987
02:02:35,760 --> 02:02:37,360
sort of thing, especially in the school

2988
02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:40,080
area. Well, I I think we're putting more

2989
02:02:40,080 --> 02:02:43,040
speed fun secions in than we are the

2990
02:02:43,040 --> 02:02:45,360
other ones, which I think is good.

2991
02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:51,840
>> It's just I just know that I when I'm in the streets, especially in

2992
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:55,440
those areas, they're not I don't see it

2993
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:58,639
slowing down with the bigger vehicles.

2994
02:02:58,639 --> 02:03:00,800
Yes. So, the guys with the F-150s and

2995
02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:02,800
the and that kind of truck,

2996
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,159
>> they're slowing down. I was going to say

2997
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:06,639
I mean I know myself driving through it

2998
02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:08,239
definitely slows me down because there

2999
02:03:08,239 --> 02:03:10,159
isn't an awful lot of room there's not

3000
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:13,360
much small vehicle yeah

3001
02:03:13,360 --> 02:03:16,080
>> take that on your advice

3002
02:03:16,080 --> 02:03:18,239
and if there's flexibility with respect

3003
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:21,040
to projects on what streets streets

3004
02:03:21,040 --> 02:03:26,310
particular then we

3005
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:27,840
» I like to see that there was less

3006
02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:30,560
>> we know we know that the um the sea

3007
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:33,360
cushion because there's there's how

3008
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:36,560
they're situated. you have no choice but

3009
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:39,360
>> like you have to slow down and you took

3010
02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:41,679
that as a serious a serious tool because

3011
02:03:41,679 --> 02:03:43,599
the council has told us that you

3012
02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:45,280
consistently are concerned about the

3013
02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:49,760
speed of let alone the fact that there

3014
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:52,960
so we can through Steve's team we can re

3015
02:03:52,960 --> 02:03:56,880
reconsider some of those roads and if

3016
02:03:56,880 --> 02:03:58,800
the next project phase allows us to the

3017
02:03:58,800 --> 02:04:00,320
2027

3018
02:04:00,320 --> 02:04:02,320
um undertaking and including when we get

3019
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:04,239
more of our ASC

3020
02:04:04,239 --> 02:04:05,920
covered. As Carrie said, you know, this

3021
02:04:05,920 --> 02:04:07,679
is the projected amount. It doesn't mean

3022
02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:09,040
all of that will be covered. You're

3023
02:04:09,040 --> 02:04:11,520
pretty sure what essential is because if

3024
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,840
you don't pay, your ability to get your

3025
02:04:13,840 --> 02:04:17,119
plate renewed is also so there is

3026
02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:19,040
there's there may be a timing issue, but

3027
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:20,400
usually at the end of that time, there

3028
02:04:20,400 --> 02:04:23,156
will be some revenue that will support.

3029
02:04:23,156 --> 02:04:24,480
[snorts]

3030
02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,360
>> So, okay. So, we we can look at some of

3031
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:28,719
those things and whether we need to

3032
02:04:28,719 --> 02:04:31,440
rejoice.

3033
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:31,920
Yes,

3034
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:33,440
>> that's the other thing about that. And

3035
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:36,080
we also have to be aware of

3036
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:38,320
we know fire was fine about the island

3037
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,560
because they said they go around

3038
02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,199
anything and we also were aware of what

3039
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:45,520
we didn't want to impact

3040
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:47,520
our our ability to do snow maintenance

3041
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:49,440
particularly on roads where we have a

3042
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:51,760
lot of on street parking seasonally even

3043
02:04:51,760 --> 02:04:54,239
though we have snow before delayed on

3044
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:55,679
street parking.

3045
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:59,510
>> Yes,

3046
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:03,030
» I will be here for that.

3047
02:05:03,040 --> 02:05:05,360
stay on it. [laughter]

3048
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:08,159
>> So I if I if mayor will do when he reads

3049
02:05:08,159 --> 02:05:10,400
the recommendation literally read out

3050
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,719
the streets for the speed bumps the

3051
02:05:12,719 --> 02:05:15,360
speed cushions which were um that would

3052
02:05:15,360 --> 02:05:16,960
be appreciated

3053
02:05:16,960 --> 02:05:18,880
>> and and the speed cushions you said a

3054
02:05:18,880 --> 02:05:22,639
couple of times are permanent. So yeah,

3055
02:05:22,639 --> 02:05:25,440
so Jim like I [clears throat] know

3056
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:28,080
initially there was some concerns about

3057
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:30,159
snow plowing and everything else that

3058
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:32,719
but okay

3059
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:34,639
worship once

3060
02:05:34,639 --> 02:05:35,760
there.

3061
02:05:35,760 --> 02:05:37,280
>> Yeah,

3062
02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:39,920
>> you got worn down.

3063
02:05:39,920 --> 02:05:41,920
>> Just wanted to sorry just wanted to add

3064
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:44,239
that I had a good conversation with man

3065
02:05:44,239 --> 02:05:47,679
who's on char

3066
02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:51,119
and uh highly

3067
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:54,320
recommending anything we can do to slow

3068
02:05:54,320 --> 02:05:56,560
traffic down

3069
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:01,040
zero. So I'll get that to September as

3070
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:03,760
well.

3071
02:06:03,760 --> 02:06:06,560
>> I can. Excellent. Okay. Well, at the

3072
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:08,320
CEO's request, I will read out the

3073
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:12,080
recommendation of all the form and for

3074
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:13,440
you resolve the council receive his

3075
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:16,400
report CAO 2026-03

3076
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:18,480
regarding traffic calming strategy for

3077
02:06:18,480 --> 02:06:20,960
information and council approves the

3078
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:23,360
following locations for permanent speed

3079
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:24,987
cushions.

3080
02:06:24,987 --> 02:06:27,040
[clears throat] Nishnab Drive, Red Elm

3081
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:29,760
Road to Highway 24,

3082
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:32,639
five speed cushions. Berry Street, Phil

3083
02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:34,800
Park Lane to Greenwood Street, five

3084
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:37,679
speed cushions, Phil Park Lane, Berry

3085
02:06:37,679 --> 02:06:39,679
Street to Warden Street, four speed

3086
02:06:39,679 --> 02:06:41,760
cushions, Greenwood Street, Main Street

3087
02:06:41,760 --> 02:06:44,480
East to Phil Park Lane, 10 speed

3088
02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,199
cushions. And Simon Street from Victoria

3089
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:49,679
Street to Main Street East, 10 speed

3090
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:52,000
cushions. And that a road safety

3091
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:54,560
initiative fund funding application be

3092
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:55,920
submitted by the town of Shelurn to

3093
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:58,400
implement traffic calming measures. And

3094
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:01,360
that my favorite that town of Shelurn

3095
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:02,800
requests the county of Duffren as part

3096
02:07:02,800 --> 02:07:04,560
of the county's road rationalization

3097
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,719
project also review the transfer of

3098
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:08,639
ownership to the town of Shelurn of road

3099
02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:10,960
sections listed better fully support the

3100
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:12,639
town's commitment to complete streets

3101
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:15,040
pedestrian and cyclist safety as well as

3102
02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:16,480
the town's planning and development.

3103
02:07:16,480 --> 02:07:19,840
Those sections are County Road 124 from

3104
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:22,639
the intersection at Highway 89 124

3105
02:07:22,639 --> 02:07:24,480
Northway,

3106
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:26,320
County Road 11 from the intersection at

3107
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:30,719
Highway 8924 south to side road 30 and

3108
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:36,550
side road 30 from second line to

3109
02:07:36,560 --> 02:07:43,750
second that That's your sample.

3110
02:07:43,760 --> 02:07:44,880
» Okay.

3111
02:07:44,880 --> 02:07:46,863
>> Not that I would

3112
02:07:46,863 --> 02:07:47,520
[laughter]

3113
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:49,119
>> just

3114
02:07:49,119 --> 02:07:52,229
for

3115
02:07:52,239 --> 02:07:55,920
» all right. All in favor.

3116
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:59,760
Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Steve. Thanks,

3117
02:07:59,760 --> 02:08:03,030
guys.

3118
02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:04,719
» All right.

3119
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:05,920
You guys are sticking around for the

3120
02:08:05,920 --> 02:08:09,360
next one, I assume, too. Next report is

3121
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,520
also from our CEO

3122
02:08:11,520 --> 02:08:13,840
regarding the Shelurn library board

3123
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,199
structure and governance.

3124
02:08:15,199 --> 02:08:20,390
>> Thanks very much Jennifer.

3125
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:23,280
So this report is the next ph of the

3126
02:08:23,280 --> 02:08:26,239
review this

3127
02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:28,719
last reported back and all of the news

3128
02:08:28,719 --> 02:08:30,400
report linkages there. I don't want to

3129
02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:32,960
have to take us back to every report but

3130
02:08:32,960 --> 02:08:34,880
I will try to highlight some of the

3131
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:37,199
connections between this report. So what

3132
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:38,960
we had reviewed is the library

3133
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:40,560
governance structure and the legislative

3134
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:42,960
authority for the board and whether or

3135
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:46,000
not it was a unique library discovered

3136
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,320
that we don't believe it is. What we're

3137
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:53,920
trying to solidify and find is how did this unique structure come where

3138
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:55,840
there are representatives appointed by

3139
02:08:55,840 --> 02:08:57,840
other municipalities on the shel public

3140
02:08:57,840 --> 02:09:01,280
library. We compare that to the trend or

3141
02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:02,800
I should say the trend of tradition

3142
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:05,119
where other municipalities are

3143
02:09:05,119 --> 02:09:07,360
exclusively that municipality is the

3144
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:08,880
council of that municipality is the

3145
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,520
appointing through the process whether

3146
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:13,360
or not that representative from another

3147
02:09:13,360 --> 02:09:15,840
municipality like is the case in New

3148
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,599
where they have service areas within the

3149
02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:19,599
municipality that are authorized to have

3150
02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:22,960
a rep but is appointed by them. We also

3151
02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:25,040
compared in the report how the town of

3152
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,280
Orangeville's public library is a

3153
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:28,880
regional library that provides service

3154
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:31,280
to many other communities that that are

3155
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:32,960
surrounding them, but their board is

3156
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:35,360
exclusively represented by the town of

3157
02:09:35,360 --> 02:09:36,880
Orangeville residents of the town of

3158
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:38,639
Orangeville.

3159
02:09:38,639 --> 02:09:41,040
So the report has sort of gone through

3160
02:09:41,040 --> 02:09:42,880
that history. Um we [clears throat]

3161
02:09:42,880 --> 02:09:44,400
looked at a number of different

3162
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:48,000
scenarios with respect to governance and

3163
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:50,639
provided the composition option. So the

3164
02:09:50,639 --> 02:09:52,880
first option which really in fairness is

3165
02:09:52,880 --> 02:09:54,719
not an option um because it's

3166
02:09:54,719 --> 02:09:56,320
inconsistent with the library the

3167
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:58,000
libraries act and the authority under

3168
02:09:58,000 --> 02:09:59,760
which the representation is supposed to

3169
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:01,760
be comprised and we did note that in

3170
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,320
previous reports that not only did it

3171
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:05,920
resemble more of a union library in

3172
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:07,040
terms of functionality and

3173
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,599
representation but you're not supposed

3174
02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:12,239
to have that many elected officials on a

3175
02:10:12,239 --> 02:10:14,000
board because that is outweighing the

3176
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:16,560
number of residential records. So

3177
02:10:16,560 --> 02:10:19,679
theoretically status quo or option one

3178
02:10:19,679 --> 02:10:21,199
is not an option. It would be an

3179
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:23,199
inconsistency with the continuation of

3180
02:10:23,199 --> 02:10:25,360
what is inconsistent. Doesn't make a lot

3181
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:29,119
of sense but um so what we also report

3182
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:30,480
uh highlighted in the report which I

3183
02:10:30,480 --> 02:10:32,880
know council has repeatedly asked staff

3184
02:10:32,880 --> 02:10:36,159
about is the budgetary alignment and

3185
02:10:36,159 --> 02:10:38,560
that about 56% is paid by the town of

3186
02:10:38,560 --> 02:10:41,360
Shelurn and the rest of that balance is

3187
02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:42,880
paid by the other four municipalities

3188
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:44,880
that are represented on the port. What

3189
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:47,679
also changed in 2026 under council with

3190
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:49,520
council approval and I know CEO

3191
02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:52,000
referenced it is we developed anou with

3192
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:53,679
respect to property and facility

3193
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:56,639
building whereby the transfer of those

3194
02:10:56,639 --> 02:10:59,360
capital projects or maintenance related

3195
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:01,920
costs under asset were almost

3196
02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:04,400
exclusively becoming a function and

3197
02:11:04,400 --> 02:11:06,880
budgetary issue for the ten shelter. We

3198
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:08,639
established through director of

3199
02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:10,960
financial services on that team that we

3200
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:13,280
have a new reserve. It started at 50,000

3201
02:11:13,280 --> 02:11:15,360
and we continue to contribute that

3202
02:11:15,360 --> 02:11:18,880
annually plus pay the capital. So in the

3203
02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:21,199
analysis that is primarily about the

3204
02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:24,960
structure and based on the fact that

3205
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:26,560
current structure is not something that

3206
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:28,960
we recognize was formalized that that

3207
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:30,880
formalization is critical to the

3208
02:11:30,880 --> 02:11:32,239
recognition of the structure

3209
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:35,199
legislatively. It's also critically

3210
02:11:35,199 --> 02:11:37,199
responsible for the town of Shelbert to

3211
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:40,000
have an authority to do the appointment

3212
02:11:40,000 --> 02:11:41,920
that the structure that we've

3213
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:45,040
recommended is option two at this time.

3214
02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:48,880
What that is looking at is a hybrid.

3215
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:50,800
Option three is not a hybrid. Option

3216
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:53,280
three is the norm for the most part. But

3217
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,520
option two would correct the over

3218
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:58,239
representation of elected officials. It

3219
02:11:58,239 --> 02:12:01,360
would position the authority of the town

3220
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:04,079
of Shelurn Council to appoint to the

3221
02:12:04,079 --> 02:12:06,960
library through the town appointment

3222
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:09,119
process, but would provide

3223
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:11,280
representation opportunity for those

3224
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:13,840
municipalities that are serviced by the

3225
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,320
Shelurn Public Library as partners or

3226
02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:19,040
through agreements or alternatively

3227
02:12:19,040 --> 02:12:21,360
through non-resident fees if that became

3228
02:12:21,360 --> 02:12:23,840
supplement or fallback that they would

3229
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:26,320
have a resident representation on the

3230
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:27,520
board.

3231
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:29,760
where that resident representation was

3232
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:32,960
not applied for or determined to be

3233
02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,800
through the town of Shel Council

3234
02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:38,320
authority that positional or that

3235
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:41,280
representation would be defaulted to the

3236
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,480
town shel residential the other option

3237
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:46,201
is that you wouldn't fill all nine

3238
02:12:46,201 --> 02:12:49,040
[clears throat] up to seven so [snorts]

3239
02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:51,520
and then I said option three is where

3240
02:12:51,520 --> 02:12:53,679
you would have quite a drastic change

3241
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:55,760
and that the representation on the board

3242
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:58,239
would be solely limited to two members

3243
02:12:58,239 --> 02:13:00,239
of Shelurn Council up to and then

3244
02:13:00,239 --> 02:13:03,040
residential representatives again solely

3245
02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:05,360
and exclusively managed and appointed

3246
02:13:05,360 --> 02:13:09,119
with the authority of Shelurn Castle.

3247
02:13:09,119 --> 02:13:11,280
Option two is predicated on two

3248
02:13:11,280 --> 02:13:13,040
assumptions.

3249
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:15,840
While theou is addressed, the

3250
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,800
operational capital should call off the

3251
02:13:18,800 --> 02:13:21,440
capital cost being the exclusive

3252
02:13:21,440 --> 02:13:23,199
function of the town of Shelurn going

3253
02:13:23,199 --> 02:13:25,840
forward almost exclusively.

3254
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:28,239
There is an assumption under that model

3255
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:30,719
option two that the proportional

3256
02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:35,679
budgetary structure would remain. So if

3257
02:13:35,679 --> 02:13:39,360
municipality ABC was paying XYZ right

3258
02:13:39,360 --> 02:13:40,719
now, they would continue to pay that

3259
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:42,400
proportional amount to the budget and by

3260
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:44,320
virtue of making that commitment, they

3261
02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:46,000
would have representation of a of a

3262
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:48,719
residential rep on the board to make

3263
02:13:48,719 --> 02:13:51,520
decisions about board functioning and

3264
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,040
operational decisions and all the great

3265
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:55,199
program.

3266
02:13:55,199 --> 02:13:57,760
It is also assumed that if you did not

3267
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,800
participate and continue past December

3268
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:03,599
30 of 2026, you would default to the

3269
02:14:03,599 --> 02:14:05,280
non-resident.

3270
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,040
So there's two things that could come of

3271
02:14:07,040 --> 02:14:10,880
that by the that that municipality no

3272
02:14:10,880 --> 02:14:13,119
longer participating in the cost sharing

3273
02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:16,639
proportional model for the budgetary on

3274
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:18,639
they their residents would default to

3275
02:14:18,639 --> 02:14:20,719
the non-resident fee and currently the

3276
02:14:20,719 --> 02:14:22,960
non-resident fee for Shel Public Library

3277
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:26,320
is under $20. We've included in the list

3278
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:28,400
what the summary of other municipalities

3279
02:14:28,400 --> 02:14:30,639
in Ontario were charging. It ranges from

3280
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:34,400
Owens being 500 to some being 30. So

3281
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:38,639
that would be how how the governance

3282
02:14:38,639 --> 02:14:40,880
would have to be structured in order for

3283
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:45,119
this to make sense. You can't not fund

3284
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:47,440
the activity in order to achieve

3285
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:49,599
representation.

3286
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:53,599
So the finances could go a number of

3287
02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:55,920
ways. We we accommodated that in terms

3288
02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,400
of the estimate at a very high level. So

3289
02:14:58,400 --> 02:15:01,040
if certain municipalities decided that

3290
02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:02,800
we no longer because of the new

3291
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:05,040
structure that is being recommended wish

3292
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,760
to participate on the board, their

3293
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:09,520
service agreement would continue based

3294
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:12,800
on an allocation. Or alternatively,

3295
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:15,280
every time a resident that is from that

3296
02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:18,239
municipality use the library under the

3297
02:15:18,239 --> 02:15:20,480
current format where you have to have a

3298
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:22,719
library card for take off the books, not

3299
02:15:22,719 --> 02:15:25,440
use the programs, they would be levy the

3300
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:28,400
cost. So we know that there could be a

3301
02:15:28,400 --> 02:15:31,520
shift on top of what the CEO has told us

3302
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:33,679
in terms of the hope with their budget

3303
02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:36,480
just in terms of a base amount that

3304
02:15:36,480 --> 02:15:39,679
Shelurn may have to pay with this

3305
02:15:39,679 --> 02:15:41,679
adjustment. So we're not saying that

3306
02:15:41,679 --> 02:15:43,599
this is revenue neutral. We are saying

3307
02:15:43,599 --> 02:15:45,119
that there potentially might be an

3308
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:47,440
increase to the town of Shelurn, but

3309
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:51,040
that certainly is an outcome that is the

3310
02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:55,040
result of a change in structure that support.

3311
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:56,880
So we're not I guess we're not naive

3312
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:00,079
that change is not change is difficult

3313
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:05,520
and we know that this is not necessarily

3314
02:16:05,520 --> 02:16:07,520
a way that everybody would potentially

3315
02:16:07,520 --> 02:16:09,280
like to see. But that's why staff would

3316
02:16:09,280 --> 02:16:12,079
look at a hybrid. And so really your

3317
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:14,079
options option one is not an option. So

3318
02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:15,599
you have option two and three and we

3319
02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:17,760
recommended as a balanced hybrid in the

3320
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:19,760
in transition and it could potentially

3321
02:16:19,760 --> 02:16:22,239
be a pilot. We didn't put that on there

3322
02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:25,840
but I I believe that the authority of

3323
02:16:25,840 --> 02:16:27,920
Shelurn Council would mean if it wasn't

3324
02:16:27,920 --> 02:16:30,079
working you could tweak it accordingly

3325
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,880
with with a couple of years of that's

3326
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:35,599
really the overview. um any procedural

3327
02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:38,240
things with respect to legislative

3328
02:16:38,240 --> 02:16:41,200
flying refer to Jennifer on that and we

3329
02:16:41,200 --> 02:16:44,240
do have our library CEO still with us um

3330
02:16:44,240 --> 02:16:46,160
and I know that her her background has

3331
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,080
been working with an organization path

3332
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:50,319
where the board is solely represented by

3333
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:53,840
that town um municipal and elected

3334
02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:56,399
official that that's the heart of it and

3335
02:16:56,399 --> 02:17:00,559
the recommendation is good thank you

3336
02:17:00,559 --> 02:17:04,709
questions comments

3337
02:17:04,719 --> 02:17:06,960
This This one's tricky now because I was

3338
02:17:06,960 --> 02:17:09,920
all for potentially recommending to go

3339
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:12,790
with the third option,

3340
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:14,800
[sighs and gasps] but I'm worried about

3341
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:17,439
potential cost increases, especially

3342
02:17:17,439 --> 02:17:20,800
because as we heard, we already are

3343
02:17:20,800 --> 02:17:23,359
potentially going to be reviewing

3344
02:17:23,359 --> 02:17:27,990
additional costs. So

3345
02:17:28,000 --> 02:17:30,800
I'm just right now because if they get

3346
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:35,120
angry that we've decided to adopt,

3347
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:37,280
you know, a model that almost [snorts]

3348
02:17:37,280 --> 02:17:41,200
every other uh library board follows,

3349
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:43,359
it's still such a drastic change that

3350
02:17:43,359 --> 02:17:44,719
they might say, "Fine, we're out of

3351
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:46,080
here." And I get it. They're going to

3352
02:17:46,080 --> 02:17:48,000
have to pay, you know, the residents

3353
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:49,840
will then have to pay or or we will have

3354
02:17:49,840 --> 02:17:51,519
to charge the municipality or however

3355
02:17:51,519 --> 02:17:53,760
that's going to go the non-resident fee.

3356
02:17:53,760 --> 02:17:56,080
But I'm not I just don't know if that

3357
02:17:56,080 --> 02:17:58,160
would

3358
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:02,240
equate what they currently pay to to

3359
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:04,080
help support the function of the

3360
02:18:04,080 --> 02:18:06,399
library, right? Like you know because

3361
02:18:06,399 --> 02:18:08,080
some people may be like, "Okay, fine.

3362
02:18:08,080 --> 02:18:09,280
Then I don't want the library card at

3363
02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:11,519
all." So then we're not receiving as

3364
02:18:11,519 --> 02:18:15,760
many um non-resident fees and then the

3365
02:18:15,760 --> 02:18:17,519
whole of what they they currently

3366
02:18:17,519 --> 02:18:19,359
contribute goes down drastically as

3367
02:18:19,359 --> 02:18:21,359
well, which then means shining has to

3368
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:26,639
increase. So I'm a little down now torn.

3369
02:18:26,639 --> 02:18:33,200
>> My thought would be that option two is probably the best one at this point.

3370
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:34,800
Denise said a couple of dimension

3371
02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:39,750
changes. We all know that

3372
02:18:39,760 --> 02:18:42,080
course quite a bit of change in the last

3373
02:18:42,080 --> 02:18:43,679
four years. Sometimes that has to be

3374
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:47,040
done a little more gradually but

3375
02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:48,960
uh but but I think option two does a

3376
02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:50,960
couple of things. It gets us moving in

3377
02:18:50,960 --> 02:18:52,960
the right direction.

3378
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:55,920
But it also, you know, kind of gives a

3379
02:18:55,920 --> 02:18:57,679
nod to the tradition that we've had

3380
02:18:57,679 --> 02:18:59,519
there in terms of, you know,

3381
02:18:59,519 --> 02:19:02,240
contribution, cooperation with those

3382
02:19:02,240 --> 02:19:05,200
other partners. So I I'm I'm most

3383
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:07,200
comfortable with what I can do.

3384
02:19:07,200 --> 02:19:09,439
>> Um because it's not a complete 18 pivot

3385
02:19:09,439 --> 02:19:12,080
from where we are, but it gets us on the

3386
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,000
right path.

3387
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:16,880
>> I would prefer if if we do choose option

3388
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:19,040
two that we definitely highlight as a

3389
02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:20,800
pilot.

3390
02:19:20,800 --> 02:19:23,599
I I think we need some time to see if it

3391
02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:25,920
works and we need to be able to have an

3392
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:28,719
out adjusted

3393
02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:30,880
>> and I think Jennifer correct me if I'm

3394
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:34,000
wrong. I think children council today

3395
02:19:34,000 --> 02:19:37,439
would have that

3396
02:19:37,439 --> 02:19:41,830
by changing

3397
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:46,717
it doesn't stop the other councils not

3398
02:19:46,717 --> 02:19:49,439
[snorts] only they've chosen as far as

3399
02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:52,960
council to be res representative that

3400
02:19:52,960 --> 02:19:55,120
it's applying

3401
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,200
>> right [snorts] they if they're a

3402
02:19:57,200 --> 02:19:58,960
resident of the

3403
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:01,200
>> township they can apply

3404
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:05,990
Yeah. Yeah.

3405
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:08,240
» So I know that it's two members assigned

3406
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:10,960
by Shelurn and then there's

3407
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:12,880
representatives from each municipalities

3408
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:14,880
fill up the rest of the seats. Doesn't

3409
02:20:14,880 --> 02:20:17,439
stop them

3410
02:20:17,439 --> 02:20:19,600
representative. We're going to put an

3411
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:21,920
application in this person's name.

3412
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,080
Whether they're chosen that's different,

3413
02:20:24,080 --> 02:20:25,200
>> right?

3414
02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:27,040
when you when you look at costs

3415
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:29,760
like even with you know option two the

3416
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:31,600
municipalities I think the bigger

3417
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:34,240
concern is going to be that this group

3418
02:20:34,240 --> 02:20:35,840
of people are going to bind them to a

3419
02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:38,720
budget they have no control

3420
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:39,280
>> right

3421
02:20:39,280 --> 02:20:41,200
>> that that's the reality

3422
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,160
>> you know regardless of option you know

3423
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:47,040
two or three it's the same

3424
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:50,000
not completely elimin you just accept it

3425
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:51,439
for what it is

3426
02:20:51,439 --> 02:20:53,920
>> but you know from what was presented

3427
02:20:53,920 --> 02:20:56,399
tonight by It's it's pretty clear that

3428
02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:58,880
there's a a return on investment that

3429
02:20:58,880 --> 02:21:02,800
you many have for years not necessarily

3430
02:21:02,800 --> 02:21:05,920
accepted or realized.

3431
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:07,680
So

3432
02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:10,800
I think option two gives you the the

3433
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:13,840
medium ground and you know if it doesn't

3434
02:21:13,840 --> 02:21:16,160
work you still have option three after.

3435
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,880
>> Yeah. Yeah. And that was my my torn

3436
02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:24,640
between the two as well because I don't want to be that municipality,

3437
02:21:24,640 --> 02:21:27,280
you know, like we need to have good

3438
02:21:27,280 --> 02:21:29,200
neighbors, right? Like we need to be a

3439
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:32,319
good neighbor. So I don't want to just,

3440
02:21:32,319 --> 02:21:34,319
you know, say too bad contribute to the

3441
02:21:34,319 --> 02:21:36,479
library, but you don't get any say. So

3442
02:21:36,479 --> 02:21:38,080
even at that, even if I went with option

3443
02:21:38,080 --> 02:21:39,439
three, I would say, is there a way to

3444
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:42,160
create some form of an advisory where

3445
02:21:42,160 --> 02:21:44,800
the other municipalities could once a

3446
02:21:44,800 --> 02:21:47,120
year or something like that have a, you

3447
02:21:47,120 --> 02:21:49,840
know, a conversation with the CEO or the

3448
02:21:49,840 --> 02:21:52,319
CEO and, you know, bring their concerns

3449
02:21:52,319 --> 02:21:54,160
or their questions or whatever. So it's

3450
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:56,240
not like I wanted it just like by you

3451
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:58,479
know what I mean, but it's just

3452
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:01,840
>> Yeah, exactly. Right. Like just comment.

3453
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:03,920
But it's it's just for me it's Shelurn

3454
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:06,880
contributes so much that it's hard when

3455
02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:09,120
you're looking budgetarywise or whatnot

3456
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:11,120
to have

3457
02:22:11,120 --> 02:22:13,280
the other municipalities.

3458
02:22:13,280 --> 02:22:16,479
Again, I want their say, but

3459
02:22:16,479 --> 02:22:18,640
I don't know, maybe not as much say, you

3460
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:19,439
know what I mean?

3461
02:22:19,439 --> 02:22:20,720
>> They saying like there's something for

3462
02:22:20,720 --> 02:22:23,600
them to ask or comment on or there still

3463
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:26,399
is a system in place that that exists.

3464
02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:26,720
>> Yeah.

3465
02:22:26,720 --> 02:22:29,280
like the library is there to take

3466
02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:31,520
whatever questions that need to be.

3467
02:22:31,520 --> 02:22:32,000
>> Yeah.

3468
02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:35,040
>> And remember there was

3469
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:37,520
without mentioning which but there was

3470
02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:39,200
municipalities that said we don't want

3471
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:40,720
to put towards capital.

3472
02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:41,120
>> Yes.

3473
02:22:41,120 --> 02:22:42,560
>> We we're out of the capital.

3474
02:22:42,560 --> 02:22:43,120
>> Yes.

3475
02:22:43,120 --> 02:22:45,920
>> Well, that's not growing the base.

3476
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:47,520
That's not growing what needs to be

3477
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:48,080
done.

3478
02:22:48,080 --> 02:22:48,479
>> Yeah.

3479
02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:50,720
>> So, you know, I think they've already

3480
02:22:50,720 --> 02:22:52,399
said their piece. This is we're not

3481
02:22:52,399 --> 02:22:54,880
willing to do this. So somebody has to

3482
02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:56,880
and this represents the change of what

3483
02:22:56,880 --> 02:22:57,840
we have to do.

3484
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:01,680
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because I think that was my main concern with theou that we

3485
02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:03,439
created, right? Because I'm like what I

3486
02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:05,200
don't understand is you want now Shelurn

3487
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:07,680
and Shelurn residents to to spend 100%

3488
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:10,240
of the capital cost but and I get it.

3489
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:13,120
you're contributing but your you know

3490
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,520
your your people are coming in and

3491
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,040
they're using the elevator and they're

3492
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:17,920
going to the bathroom and they're

3493
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:19,600
flushing the toilet and they're you know

3494
02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:22,160
so there are things that they are using

3495
02:23:22,160 --> 02:23:25,920
that you know your your current

3496
02:23:25,920 --> 02:23:29,520
contributing amount is not now going to

3497
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:31,280
necessarily cover right you're you're

3498
02:23:31,280 --> 02:23:32,479
going to be covering more the

3499
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:35,680
operational part of it and so that was

3500
02:23:35,680 --> 02:23:40,560
my my big hangup on BMW [snorts] was I

3501
02:23:40,560 --> 02:23:42,880
was like it's kind of not fair that you

3502
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:44,640
guys still get to come in and again use

3503
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,640
our elevator and use our you know

3504
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:49,760
facility as a whole but aren't now

3505
02:23:49,760 --> 02:23:52,160
necessarily contributing to the wear and

3506
02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:55,520
tear that your people are going to still

3507
02:23:55,520 --> 02:23:57,200
put on the library right you're putting

3508
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,520
that on shelter

3509
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,120
can't look at it that way because you've

3510
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:04,160
got look at all our parks

3511
02:24:04,160 --> 02:24:08,640
>> millions of dollar parks and e right so

3512
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:09,840
pay back on those. So

3513
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:10,319
>> that's true.

3514
02:24:10,319 --> 02:24:11,439
>> You splash that.

3515
02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:13,040
>> Exactly. So,

3516
02:24:13,040 --> 02:24:14,160
>> I know. I guess it was just one thing

3517
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:15,280
that I was like,

3518
02:24:15,280 --> 02:24:15,840
>> you just

3519
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:19,120
>> it's one more thing that, you know,

3520
02:24:19,120 --> 02:24:21,120
>> Shelurn as a whole, people who live here

3521
02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:23,280
who pay municipal taxes have to kind of

3522
02:24:23,280 --> 02:24:26,240
fund while there's a benefit to the

3523
02:24:26,240 --> 02:24:28,399
municipalities around us that they don't

3524
02:24:28,399 --> 02:24:31,359
have to, right? And I was just like, so

3525
02:24:31,359 --> 02:24:32,479
>> hopefully when they're here using the

3526
02:24:32,479 --> 02:24:34,000
library or the parks, they're spending

3527
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:35,920
money to Oh, yeah.

3528
02:24:35,920 --> 02:24:38,640
>> supporting our local support, right? And

3529
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:40,560
I see so I see both sides of it but

3530
02:24:40,560 --> 02:24:41,920
sometimes I just get a little frustrated

3531
02:24:41,920 --> 02:24:43,520
and then you know assuming other

3532
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:45,920
probably shelter do too where they're

3533
02:24:45,920 --> 02:24:47,439
like why will we have to always be the

3534
02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:51,040
one paying for everything right so yeah

3535
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:53,680
so really the heart of the process that

3536
02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:57,200
we descended to was strictly

3537
02:24:57,200 --> 02:25:01,520
>> it recognized a structure that wasn't

3538
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:02,000
>> yes

3539
02:25:02,000 --> 02:25:05,200
>> and that because of that review

3540
02:25:05,200 --> 02:25:07,760
correction was required because it was

3541
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:10,720
not legislated in compant with how a

3542
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:13,359
board is structured and as we said is

3543
02:25:13,359 --> 02:25:15,359
not a union public library and it

3544
02:25:15,359 --> 02:25:18,080
usually is a union public library that

3545
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:20,160
word union public library is usually on

3546
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:21,120
the building

3547
02:25:21,120 --> 02:25:22,880
>> right so we've gone through all that we

3548
02:25:22,880 --> 02:25:24,880
exhausted that and the reason we're here

3549
02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:27,120
and we sort of stripped out the

3550
02:25:27,120 --> 02:25:28,960
inequities and some of the other things

3551
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:30,960
we recognize that you know theou was

3552
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:32,720
probably the start of this analysis

3553
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:36,319
moving forward but

3554
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:38,160
you know there there currently Is a lot

3555
02:25:38,160 --> 02:25:41,439
of review being undertaken by our

3556
02:25:41,439 --> 02:25:43,760
municipal neighbors particularly to the

3557
02:25:43,760 --> 02:25:47,200
south of us regarding frameworks equity

3558
02:25:47,200 --> 02:25:50,240
and taxation where one municipality's

3559
02:25:50,240 --> 02:25:53,040
regional approach to provision of

3560
02:25:53,040 --> 02:25:55,120
service is being heavily subsidized by

3561
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:57,040
that local taxpayer and that's there's

3562
02:25:57,040 --> 02:26:00,880
no that and that imbalance is is is

3563
02:26:00,880 --> 02:26:03,920
common in smaller particular so to the

3564
02:26:03,920 --> 02:26:06,720
parks there's a great issue to other

3565
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:08,080
facilities ities where there's an

3566
02:26:08,080 --> 02:26:10,479
imbalance and say the non-resident fee

3567
02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:13,520
is is minuscule in terms of even

3568
02:26:13,520 --> 02:26:16,000
representing cover recoverable. Yeah.

3569
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:18,080
All of those things hopefully in the

3570
02:26:18,080 --> 02:26:20,479
future need to be addressed with service

3571
02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:24,000
deliver as opposed to like highle

3572
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:25,840
statements without the data to support

3573
02:26:25,840 --> 02:26:28,000
what that subsidy is and how those

3574
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:29,840
operational facilities need to be

3575
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,520
supported or not and then

3576
02:26:31,520 --> 02:26:33,520
justifications. That's all part of

3577
02:26:33,520 --> 02:26:35,359
transparency and accountability and I

3578
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:36,399
see that you know there's going to be

3579
02:26:36,399 --> 02:26:39,200
more service areas that not want to

3580
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:42,160
because the scarcity becomes the reality

3581
02:26:42,160 --> 02:26:44,160
which is becoming more so every day for

3582
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:46,560
us with the lack of DCS um we're going

3583
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:48,880
to have to start and I think somebody or

3584
02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:50,240
somebody made a comment about the

3585
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,240
efficiencies

3586
02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,240
that come through systems and those

3587
02:26:54,240 --> 02:26:57,280
aren't painful they are not punitive

3588
02:26:57,280 --> 02:26:59,200
they are simply productive and they're

3589
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:00,800
they put a lens on things that have

3590
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:02,720
never been lensed

3591
02:27:02,720 --> 02:27:04,960
And you find that you know the status

3592
02:27:04,960 --> 02:27:06,720
quo or the way we've done things there's

3593
02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:09,120
opportunity to make change.

3594
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:10,800
>> So I don't want to make this about I

3595
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:12,240
know I said this is difficult. There's

3596
02:27:12,240 --> 02:27:14,319
change but it's a required change.

3597
02:27:14,319 --> 02:27:16,640
>> Yeah. And it's been it's been I think

3598
02:27:16,640 --> 02:27:18,160
now

3599
02:27:18,160 --> 02:27:21,760
2018 when we first dove into this,

3600
02:27:21,760 --> 02:27:24,240
right? And it's taken that week. Yeah.

3601
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:26,640
>> Yeah. And and not not to say what I said

3602
02:27:26,640 --> 02:27:30,080
before. In my mind, option two gets us

3603
02:27:30,080 --> 02:27:32,800
to in terms of that compliance and that

3604
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:34,960
necessary change with the least amount

3605
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:38,880
of disruption for now.

3606
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:40,479
Well,

3607
02:27:40,479 --> 02:27:42,319
you answered both of my questions in

3608
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:45,510
your speech.

3609
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:49,040
» Yes. But but I I agree option two is

3610
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:51,680
probably our best bet to get to as long

3611
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:53,520
as down the road we look at all the

3612
02:27:53,520 --> 02:27:55,280
serviceables and everything that go

3613
02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:57,680
along with it to make sure that

3614
02:27:57,680 --> 02:28:00,479
>> how we fund it gets funded the right

3615
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:04,080
way. You know what I mean? So if if

3616
02:28:04,080 --> 02:28:06,160
they decide everybody decides they're

3617
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:09,680
backing out and it's 100% shelter, then

3618
02:28:09,680 --> 02:28:11,439
how do we fund all this? We

3619
02:28:11,439 --> 02:28:13,280
strategically we have to start looking

3620
02:28:13,280 --> 02:28:14,960
at how

3621
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:17,200
out of town fees are applied and what

3622
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:18,720
they're applied to and what they're

3623
02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:20,319
applied on and all that kind of stuff.

3624
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:22,000
So as long as all that's in here, I'm

3625
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:23,280
okay, too.

3626
02:28:23,280 --> 02:28:26,000
>> Yeah. So, I mean, I know Shannon

3627
02:28:26,000 --> 02:28:29,520
addressed it, but the collaboration

3628
02:28:29,520 --> 02:28:31,920
since she's joined the team with county

3629
02:28:31,920 --> 02:28:37,120
shelter staff has been like 7,000%.

3630
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:39,760
There's such a connection between our

3631
02:28:39,760 --> 02:28:42,160
recreation development, our events

3632
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:45,439
program staff, our communication staff

3633
02:28:45,439 --> 02:28:47,840
um that that energy with respect to

3634
02:28:47,840 --> 02:28:49,600
sharing of information which is only but

3635
02:28:49,600 --> 02:28:50,880
I have a feeling some of that is

3636
02:28:50,880 --> 02:28:52,960
positive because the that outreach is

3637
02:28:52,960 --> 02:28:54,880
now reaching a larger audience. So maybe

3638
02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:56,800
some of the membership is is a result of

3639
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,359
that community connections, your

3640
02:28:59,359 --> 02:29:01,680
presence at events, our sharing of this

3641
02:29:01,680 --> 02:29:03,840
information or our social media. That's

3642
02:29:03,840 --> 02:29:06,240
all positive. And in many ways, as we've

3643
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:08,800
talked, um there may be things in our

3644
02:29:08,800 --> 02:29:11,520
recreation plan, for example, that we

3645
02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:13,920
won't need to do because we focused on a

3646
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:16,080
dorm. We're focused on this because with

3647
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:17,680
this partner, there's a better

3648
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:19,200
symbiosis.

3649
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:21,120
Is that the correct word? in terms of

3650
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:24,720
that non-file and that lack of siloing

3651
02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:27,040
has certainly been a benefit to the

3652
02:29:27,040 --> 02:29:27,680
community.

3653
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:29,359
>> Yeah. And I think we're going to

3654
02:29:29,359 --> 02:29:31,040
continue to drive that kind of

3655
02:29:31,040 --> 02:29:32,399
relationship and partnership in

3656
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:34,960
everything we do. and the awareness of

3657
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:37,200
what they they provide, how well that's

3658
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:39,120
received for the community, um is

3659
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:41,520
something that in the case of a funding

3660
02:29:41,520 --> 02:29:45,600
envelope gap, we would have to adjust.

3661
02:29:45,600 --> 02:29:49,910
>> I think the top

3662
02:29:49,920 --> 02:29:53,253
want to make a motion counc

3663
02:29:53,253 --> 02:29:56,790
[clears throat]

3664
02:29:56,800 --> 02:29:59,200
that would be Mayor Hall. All right. So,

3665
02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:00,800
the motion will be to receive the report

3666
02:30:00,800 --> 02:30:03,760
and that option two uh which we've

3667
02:30:03,760 --> 02:30:06,160
discussed at length be adopted and that

3668
02:30:06,160 --> 02:30:07,439
all representative serving on the

3669
02:30:07,439 --> 02:30:09,200
Shelurn Public Library for the next term

3670
02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:10,640
of Shelurn public library board

3671
02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:13,120
commencing around January 1st 27 be

3672
02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:14,399
directly appointed by the town of

3673
02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,800
Shelurn Council. town's committee and

3674
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:19,280
board appointment process and that an

3675
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,359
establishing bylaw for Shelurn public

3676
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:24,479
library board be prepared by town staff

3677
02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:26,399
for the consideration and approval of

3678
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:31,040
council by the end of September 26. All

3679
02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:33,359
in favor

3680
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:36,160
it's carried. Okay, good. Thank you.

3681
02:30:36,160 --> 02:30:38,560
Good discussion.

3682
02:30:38,560 --> 02:30:42,160
All right. And the last item is a bylaw

3683
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:45,520
um for the town to execute an agreement

3684
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:47,280
between the town and integrated

3685
02:30:47,280 --> 02:30:49,840
maintenance and operation services inc

3686
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:52,479
which is the annual agreement that we

3687
02:30:52,479 --> 02:30:57,270
enter into

3688
02:30:57,280 --> 02:30:59,439
there. Any questions on that one?

3689
02:30:59,439 --> 02:31:01,200
>> Yes. Pretty straightforward.

3690
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:03,359
>> Do it every year.

3691
02:31:03,359 --> 02:31:03,920
>> Yeah.

3692
02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:07,040
>> Motion to that

3693
02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,680
>> by Wagner. Seconded by sample. All in

3694
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:12,880
favor? It's carried. All right. So, we

3695
02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:16,479
do have one notice of motion

3696
02:31:16,479 --> 02:31:19,439
from councelor Wagner.

3697
02:31:19,439 --> 02:31:21,040
We don't want to consider that in the

3698
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:21,760
next meeting.

3699
02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:23,439
>> Uh, I don't know what's the procedure

3700
02:31:23,439 --> 02:31:26,000
for that. Did I submit it in time where

3701
02:31:26,000 --> 02:31:28,479
it can be voted on tonight or do we have

3702
02:31:28,479 --> 02:31:30,000
to

3703
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:35,030
pre

3704
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:36,240
otherwise?

3705
02:31:36,240 --> 02:31:37,600
>> Okay. Yeah. I mean, it's whatever you

3706
02:31:37,600 --> 02:31:40,399
guys want to do. It's it's it's kind of

3707
02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:42,000
it's not anything super sensitive,

3708
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:43,280
right? Like, it's not where I feel like

3709
02:31:43,280 --> 02:31:45,280
you guys would need like a couple weeks

3710
02:31:45,280 --> 02:31:47,280
to ponder over it, but if you need to,

3711
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:48,960
I'm okay with that, too,

3712
02:31:48,960 --> 02:31:51,439
>> cuz I'm your

3713
02:31:51,439 --> 02:31:54,640
I've been an advocate to say that if you

3714
02:31:54,640 --> 02:31:58,080
submit a motion, we should have the time

3715
02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:00,960
needed to review it, right? But with

3716
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:04,399
this one, it's pretty it's not anything

3717
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:05,680
crazy. You know what I mean?

3718
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:07,840
>> I'm fine. So yeah, is there any

3719
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:10,560
objection to considering it tonight?

3720
02:32:10,560 --> 02:32:10,960
>> Okay.

3721
02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:13,600
>> No, there we go.

3722
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:15,120
>> Is there a seconder then for councelor

3723
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:17,600
Wagner's [clears throat] motion?

3724
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:20,319
>> Council

3725
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:22,160
and I'll just briefly sort of speak to

3726
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:23,760
it. I mean it, you know, obviously it's

3727
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:25,120
a little bit lengthy. I don't really

3728
02:32:25,120 --> 02:32:26,479
think I have to read the whole thing.

3729
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:28,960
People can read it. Um but it it's just

3730
02:32:28,960 --> 02:32:30,960
for the fact that um you know we're

3731
02:32:30,960 --> 02:32:34,000
growing and with our growing town, we

3732
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,240
need diagnostic services and and things

3733
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:37,760
of that nature and you know it's great

3734
02:32:37,760 --> 02:32:39,760
that we're getting a new um office

3735
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:42,240
that's opening up with um you know bone

3736
02:32:42,240 --> 02:32:44,399
density x-rays, ultrasounds, things like

3737
02:32:44,399 --> 02:32:47,920
that. Uh so to support that um you know

3738
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:51,280
we used to when we were a smaller town

3739
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:54,000
have life labs um operating from I think

3740
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,600
it was 8:00 in the morning until 2:00 in

3741
02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:57,600
the afternoon and then all of a sudden

3742
02:32:57,600 --> 02:32:59,760
they just decided I guess it wasn't as

3743
02:32:59,760 --> 02:33:00,880
busy as they thought it was going to be

3744
02:33:00,880 --> 02:33:04,720
and they removed 2 hours. So um I put it

3745
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,560
on myself to be like okay let me just

3746
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:08,720
see if I can email somebody and and ask

3747
02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:10,960
how do I try to advocate to get some

3748
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:13,520
hours back. Uh I spoke with Claudette

3749
02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:16,000
and uh she's our sort of regional um

3750
02:33:16,000 --> 02:33:18,160
manager I guess you could say and we had

3751
02:33:18,160 --> 02:33:19,680
a little bit of a lengthy sort of

3752
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:21,520
conversation and and she said to be

3753
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:24,080
honest she's already been advocating for

3754
02:33:24,080 --> 02:33:28,080
this but what she needed from us um was

3755
02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:31,200
just some formal support right um

3756
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:33,280
community support having people in the

3757
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:36,080
community email her to just give them

3758
02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:40,080
their you know concerns over the lack of

3759
02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:42,399
you know extra hours or or you know

3760
02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:44,640
ability to get in. I mean I know myself

3761
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:46,640
now if I run get in there on a Saturday

3762
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:49,439
it's crazy like it is packed and before

3763
02:33:49,439 --> 02:33:51,520
I could just kind of walk in 20 minutes

3764
02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:53,439
you sit there and you're out. Uh last

3765
02:33:53,439 --> 02:33:55,040
time I believe I waited almost two

3766
02:33:55,040 --> 02:33:59,520
hours. So um you know uh this is just

3767
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:01,359
something that she can't make the

3768
02:34:01,359 --> 02:34:03,680
decision on. she has to have statistical

3769
02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:06,319
data that you know from requests and

3770
02:34:06,319 --> 02:34:07,760
things of that nature not only from

3771
02:34:07,760 --> 02:34:09,600
Shelurn but maybe even municipalities

3772
02:34:09,600 --> 02:34:11,840
around us because we all know that the

3773
02:34:11,840 --> 02:34:13,439
municipalities around us are coming in

3774
02:34:13,439 --> 02:34:16,479
to use the life labs. So um you know

3775
02:34:16,479 --> 02:34:19,760
that helps her create a case for her

3776
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:22,319
bosses which also helps to create a case

3777
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:24,240
to the province because there's multi

3778
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:27,920
levels in um you know something as

3779
02:34:27,920 --> 02:34:30,880
simple as adding a few hours.

3780
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:32,960
So, um, we did also discuss a little bit

3781
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:35,600
about expansion as well, but the the

3782
02:34:35,600 --> 02:34:37,439
first priority would be to just try to

3783
02:34:37,439 --> 02:34:43,120
get at least to 2:00 back. Um, ideally 4

3784
02:34:43,120 --> 02:34:47,600
or 4:30 and do a full day every day. Um

3785
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:50,560
so yeah so this is just sort of a formal

3786
02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:52,479
you know we can say the council supports

3787
02:34:52,479 --> 02:34:54,479
this as well if we can share this with

3788
02:34:54,479 --> 02:34:56,640
the municipalities around us and maybe

3789
02:34:56,640 --> 02:34:58,399
have it on their um you know

3790
02:34:58,399 --> 02:35:00,319
communications where they can pull it

3791
02:35:00,319 --> 02:35:02,080
and say hey yeah you know what our

3792
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:04,720
community uses this life labs and we

3793
02:35:04,720 --> 02:35:06,960
would actually like to support Shelurn

3794
02:35:06,960 --> 02:35:09,840
in their advocacy for extended hours

3795
02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:12,399
>> and and it'll get circulated in the

3796
02:35:12,399 --> 02:35:14,399
something else that maybe on Thursday we

3797
02:35:14,399 --> 02:35:16,080
can just mention to the at least

3798
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:18,479
immediate surrounding municipalities

3799
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:19,040
here.

3800
02:35:19,040 --> 02:35:21,040
>> Yeah, that would be wonderful. So, yeah,

3801
02:35:21,040 --> 02:35:22,640
like it's it's nothing crazy, but it's

3802
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:25,920
just us saying we we want this for our

3803
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:26,399
community.

3804
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:31,190
>> Yeah, perfect. Okay,

3805
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:31,520
good.

3806
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:32,560
>> Thanks, guys. [snorts]

3807
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:34,960
>> All right, communications.

3808
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:39,200
Else you can share. Uh number four and

3809
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:41,520
number 13.

3810
02:35:41,520 --> 02:35:44,160
four. I had actually put forward an

3811
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:47,840
emotion on this and uh kind of withdrew

3812
02:35:47,840 --> 02:35:51,520
it because Orangeville loans

3813
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:54,319
uh passed the motion already. So this

3814
02:35:54,319 --> 02:35:56,000
would just be a motion of support for

3815
02:35:56,000 --> 02:36:00,640
the uh county to undertake in a uh study

3816
02:36:00,640 --> 02:36:05,120
of uh the advantages and disadvantages

3817
02:36:05,120 --> 02:36:09,120
of uh any potential application for a

3818
02:36:09,120 --> 02:36:11,680
data center. um

3819
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:15,040
just in regard to this consumption of

3820
02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:16,800
water resources, electricity demands,

3821
02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:19,439
municipal servicing, land use, etc. Uh

3822
02:36:19,439 --> 02:36:23,280
so if we can uh get a letter of support

3823
02:36:23,280 --> 02:36:28,399
uh to that motion and uh

3824
02:36:28,399 --> 02:36:29,520
address it at county.

3825
02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:30,160
>> Yeah.

3826
02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:33,439
>> So you'll move motion to support. Is

3827
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:35,520
there second?

3828
02:36:35,520 --> 02:36:37,280
Okay. Water is important.

3829
02:36:37,280 --> 02:36:39,600
>> All in favor?

3830
02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:43,840
>> Okay, perfect. And third 13

3831
02:36:43,840 --> 02:36:46,640
uh just

3832
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,080
uh it'll be the letter from the

3833
02:36:48,080 --> 02:36:51,840
solicitor general uh informing us that

3834
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:58,710
uh our 2027 calendar year um

3835
02:36:58,720 --> 02:37:02,319
our costs will be uh could go up as high

3836
02:37:02,319 --> 02:37:06,000
as 11% uh compared to 2026 for

3837
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:08,640
servicing.

3838
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:10,560
Uh, and I I just think we need to

3839
02:37:10,560 --> 02:37:13,920
address or at least, you know, be aware

3840
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:17,920
that we're not in control of necessarily

3841
02:37:17,920 --> 02:37:20,560
coverage of our costs aside from the

3842
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:22,479
contracts we entered into.

3843
02:37:22,479 --> 02:37:24,960
>> Um, so

3844
02:37:24,960 --> 02:37:28,560
that's a bit of a sticker shock and uh,

3845
02:37:28,560 --> 02:37:30,000
>> and it's something to consider if we

3846
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:32,080
need an enhancement. We discussed about

3847
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:34,000
an enhancement being on average around

3848
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:36,560
$200,000, which is almost 2% of our

3849
02:37:36,560 --> 02:37:38,560
budget. Yeah. So,

3850
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:41,680
>> oh just just it's just a it's a bit of

3851
02:37:41,680 --> 02:37:47,349
an alarming

3852
02:37:47,359 --> 02:37:48,000
» number

3853
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:49,359
>> information. I was going to say just an

3854
02:37:49,359 --> 02:37:51,200
alarming information update from our

3855
02:37:51,200 --> 02:37:52,399
solicitor general.

3856
02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,950
>> Yeah. [snorts]

3857
02:37:54,960 --> 02:37:55,359
» Okay.

3858
02:37:55,359 --> 02:37:58,160
>> Yep. The highlight. Okay.

3859
02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:00,880
>> For me. Anything else? Anybody?

3860
02:38:00,880 --> 02:38:01,359
>> No.

3861
02:38:01,359 --> 02:38:03,520
>> Okay. A motion then to receive the

3862
02:38:03,520 --> 02:38:05,439
remaining items.

3863
02:38:05,439 --> 02:38:10,160
Sample second by all in favor

3864
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:12,479
by

3865
02:38:12,479 --> 02:38:15,520
Wagner and

3866
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:17,120
all.

3867
02:38:17,120 --> 02:38:29,190
in favor and a mot.

3868
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:32,160
I swear to God, I'm not