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going to call this meeting to order at

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beginning with a territorial

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acknowledgement. We acknowledge this

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meeting is being held on the traditional

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territory of the Sanich nations.

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Moving on to adoption of the agenda.

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Could I get a motion meeting agenda

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today? June 2nd. Eric seconder Jamie.

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All in favor?

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Great. Thank you.

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Next, adoption of the minutes from April

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7th. Can I get a motion to adopt? Kelly

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secondary Eric.

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All in favor?

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Um, next uh item on the agenda is

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development permit for 966

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Street. Before we get started, Councelor

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Duck, do you have any directions from

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council that you want to share?

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>> Um, no. This one was pretty

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» Um, no. This one was pretty

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straightforward. staff have done a good

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job on it and there's no real concerns

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or issues that council identified um

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a large on the block and post it. This

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came in conjunction with another

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development wasn't so unfortunate to get

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moved ahead but this one was

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there was any issues and I don't there's

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nothing that council said to this recall

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>> no I don't recall any any

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» no I don't recall any any

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>> n I did watch the council discussion

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» n I did watch the council discussion

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there was a few questions but nothing

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>> great Allison introduction

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» great Allison introduction

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>> okay so this is a development permit

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» okay so this is a development permit

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application for a 4unit residential

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development on this property on 6th

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Street, 96166.

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It's on the south block of 6 on the west

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side just north of Ocean Avenue down

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close to Iraq Park. There's an existing

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single family house on the property that

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would be removed to make way for this

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new development. As was just mentioned,

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no variances are being requested. It

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meets the zoning bylaw. So there'd be

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two units in the front that two stories

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that would look kind of like a

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conventional duplex and then in the back

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there would be a building with two

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singlecar garages on the main floor and

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two dwelling units above the garages. At

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the committee of the whole meeting the

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applicant indicated that the plan is to

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stratify the the development into two

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units per strat lot. Essentially half of

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the duplex building and half of the back

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building. Um they could do that. they

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could change their plan and stratify it

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into four units. It's the zoning bylaw

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permits either. So, it's can be any any

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strata layout that the property owner

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wants to do. Uh there's one protected

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oak tree in the front yard that is being

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retained through the design. The

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applicants made steps to push the

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building back from that corner and work

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with the project arborist and the town's

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parks department to try to protect that

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tree through the redevelopment. All the

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four required parking spaces would be

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accessed off the lane in the back.

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Selena did a review here in the report

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of the development against the design

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guidelines and you can see that it

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complies really well with the

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guidelines. There were none that we

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wanted to highlight for better um or for

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changes to the plans to better address

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those guidelines. So the recommendation

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is just to that it be approved with one

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condition uh that there be a landscape

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or yeah deposit taken to secure the hard

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and soft on-site landscaping before a

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building permit is issued.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Going to turn it over

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» Okay. Thank you. Going to turn it over

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to the applicant. It's all yours.

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>> It's all me.

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» It's all me.

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>> Your presentation is all you

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» Your presentation is all you

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>> I don't have much to to present to be

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» I don't have much to to present to be

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honest. Um, we stayed uh within the

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guidelines like like you guys uh

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mentioned to there's no variances. So,

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we just tried to make everything work

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within the guidelines that were given to

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make it easy on staff, make it on easy

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on every everybody around uh in the

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situation. So, the designer, Tara, was

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supposed to come here, but she's just

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running. I dropped the ball a little

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bit. She was supposed to last minute

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meeting, but she had one from 1 to two.

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She might run in here in a little bit,

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but uh other than that, we're uh yeah,

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it's [snorts] project that I'm kind of

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happy with and I think it's a good

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alternative to not against forplexes or

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anything like that, but I think it's a

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nice fitting design to complement the

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area and still give additional living

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space for um other other, you know,

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population. So,

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>> okay, thank you. And Terry shows up. Is

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» okay, thank you. And Terry shows up. Is

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» I don't think she wasn't bringing

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anything. You're just going to talk and

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for say mine. So,

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>> all right. I'm going to turn it back to

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» all right. I'm going to turn it back to

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the commission then. Questions,

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comments.

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» Not clear why it's here. Pardon me. I'm

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not clear why that

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was. That was also

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>> forming character.

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» forming character.

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>> That's because it's a form of character

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» That's because it's a form of character

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that is that concern. It's because it's

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four units and it's a form and character

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development permit application and so

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those are usually by council council

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refers those to APC for review against

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the design guidelines. So they don't

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just come to APC when there's variances

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and sometimes a variance will come to

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council and it has nothing to do with

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form and character and doesn't come to

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APC at all. Okay. So it's because it's

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the development the major development

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permit application.

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>> Alison maybe I could just jump in and

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» Alison maybe I could just jump in and

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just for the other question members

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maybe just uh give them an overview.

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This is a smooth development. So

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>> yeah. So this

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>> you want to talk about that just for a

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» you want to talk about that just for a

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>> Yes. So this is a development that

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» Yes. So this is a development that

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wasn't like in the zoning bylaw. The

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zoning by was changed in 2024 to come in

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line with the provincial legislation for

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small-cale multi-unit housing. So this

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type of development wouldn't have been

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permitted before that. They would have

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had to subdivide the property to do two

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small houses each of which could have a

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secondary suite. But with that change in

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legislation and our change in the zoning

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bylaw, properties this size, like this

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one's 520 square meters, I think, um

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it's over 280 square meters, which is

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the threshold that the provincial

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government established for properties

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280 mters and over can be developed with

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up to four residential units in BC if on

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that property you could only do a single

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family house or a duplex per four. So,

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this does fall under that small scale

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multi-unit housing type that the provinc

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has changed the legislation to allow

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everywhere. Um, yeah, the the number of

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units was permitted before, but they had

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to go through subdivision to get it and

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people don't have to do that anymore.

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So, we're starting to see more variety

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of housing types and sizes and forms.

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construction around the corner just on

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between 7th and 8th. That's a twostory

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four-unit building all attached. It kind

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of looks like a little townhouse.

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>> This is a different form of four units.

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not a lot of dialogue related. I think

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a reasonable uh alternative to the site

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that's well done from the constraints

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that exist. Uh so for lack of anything

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too much to say, I'd throw in a couple

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of comments. One which is kind of a pet

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concern that I have is with respect to

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the location of the heat pumps and it's

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just that heat pumps tend to have a lot

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of vibration. They also have a lot of

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noise and it's right beside the bib.

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>> Now I know there's different levels,

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» Now I know there's different levels,

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different qualities of heat pumps. I've

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gone through that myself. So maybe some

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consideration for that.

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>> Yeah, the uh my brother actually works

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» Yeah, the uh my brother actually works

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in the heat pump industry. So he's

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>> he'sing it out for me. So the units that

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» he'sing it out for me. So the units that

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they have, the slim the slim units now,

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they're very very quiet and they have

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variable speeds, right?

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>> So you may hear them I mean at night

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» So you may hear them I mean at night

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>> our coolest temperature. [clears throat]

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>> Um a heat pump working heavily in the

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» Um a heat pump working heavily in the

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daytime such as today.

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>> Uh would be kicking on a little bit

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» Uh would be kicking on a little bit

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louder, but I mean there's lots of noise

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pollution around there to you know

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>> damper that sound. So, uh, if it was

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» damper that sound. So, uh, if it was

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your basic, uh, you know, two foot x two

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foot, um, uh, vertical fan spinning, it

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would it would be much louder. So,

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>> yeah. So, it on on the plans, it's it

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» yeah. So, it on on the plans, it's it

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does uh spec out these um these wall we

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» and

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given how small they are, we are able to

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do that. And because of how small they

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are, they have the option of the

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variable speed to keep the noise down.

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So they'll be way below the I'm not sure

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if city has a decibel rating for them.

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>> Yeah, they'd be way way below that

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» Yeah, they'd be way way below that

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>> for sure.

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» for sure.

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>> Uh the only other comment I guess I I

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» Uh the only other comment I guess I I

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think uh Alison I remember a comment

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about more

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uh cover over the uh

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upper level exit or entrance from the

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garage areas above. and and I would just

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in terms of the long run stair

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protect it's the emergency exit as well

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>> slippery conditions

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» slippery conditions

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>> I'm sorry where where are we where

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» I'm sorry where where are we where

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>> coming down from the the units above the

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» coming down from the the units above the

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garage you got straight run stair

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>> just cover over that to protect them a

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» just cover over that to protect them a

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little bit uh more I think there was a

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comment that

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>> staff had made

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» staff had made

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>> okay so over here

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» okay so over here

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>> ees uh projecting out a little farther.

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» ees uh projecting out a little farther.

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I mean, if the staircase is out that

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far,

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>> there's no reason the ees can, but we'll

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» there's no reason the ees can, but we'll

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we'll look at it that for sure.

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>> Yeah. Whether it's connected with the

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» Yeah. Whether it's connected with the

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eve or or something, maybe some

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consideration of that.

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>> Okay.

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» Okay.

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>> Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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>> And that's it.

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» And that's it.

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>> Anybody else could probably jump in?

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» Anybody else could probably jump in?

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>> Hey, Jamie.

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» Hey, Jamie.

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>> A couple things. Um I I agree with the

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» A couple things. Um I I agree with the

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awnings over the um carriage houses

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entrances. Uh the um other thing I was

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um I noticed with the lighting I don't

314
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know if you can bring the picture up but

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uh the lighting on the orchard side or

316
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sorry the sixth street side. Um

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>> you remember which planet it was on?

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» you remember which planet it was on?

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>> Uh not off the top. It's

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» Uh not off the top. It's

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>> lighting in the front yard.

322
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» lighting in the front yard.

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>> Yeah, it'll probably be higher up. I

324
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» Yeah, it'll probably be higher up. I

325
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think earlier in the document

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>> elevation there.

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» elevation there.

328
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>> Yeah, the front elevation.

329
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» Yeah, the front elevation.

330
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Uh

331
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you see that um if you go down one that

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rendering there the top left I think is

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easiest to see it

334
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>> here.

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» here.

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>> Yeah. So it's got the there's two um

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» Yeah. So it's got the there's two um

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lights on the front which I think those

339
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will look nice but my concern was that

340
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the actual entrance way itself looks

341
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like the light would probably not reach

342
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around that corner.

343
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>> There'll be there'll be a light inside

344
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» There'll be there'll be a light inside

345
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the sopet

346
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that's required by the building code.

347
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Oh, is it okay?

348
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>> Have a porch light

349
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» Have a porch light

350
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>> and then that will also be like where

351
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» and then that will also be like where

352
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the uh address will be as well. They

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will be illuminated and roughly where

354
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that light is is somewhere where the

355
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address is going to be. Just

356
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>> perfect.

357
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» perfect.

358
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>> Yeah.

359
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» Yeah.

360
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>> Yeah. Okay, cool. And that goes into the

361
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» Yeah. Okay, cool. And that goes into the

362
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main bedroom, right?

363
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>> That's the front of the house. So,

364
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» That's the front of the house. So,

365
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that's the living room at the very

366
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front. The bedrooms are actually Sorry.

367
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Yeah, the bedrooms are actually at the

368
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at the rear.

369
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>> Yeah.

370
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» Yeah.

371
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>> Um

372
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» Um

373
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way. Sorry.

374
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>> Sorry if I get up here.

375
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» Sorry if I get up here.

376
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>> The front down here.

377
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» The front down here.

378
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>> Yeah. Uh so this will be the entry and

379
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» Yeah. Uh so this will be the entry and

380
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this is our the front sitting area,

381
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dining room, uh closet walk up the

382
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stairs. There's a little bar, kitchen,

383
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uh laundry, powder room, closet,

384
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>> and

385
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» and

386
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>> that's a door at the back.

387
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» that's a door at the back.

388
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>> Door at the back to the a patio of some

389
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» Door at the back to the a patio of some

390
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sort. Um

391
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>> that will be and right behind there will

392
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» that will be and right behind there will

393
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be the uh the garage starting up the

394
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garage. So

395
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um yeah, that's layout. So the upstairs

396
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uh there is bedroom up at the very top

397
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and at the rear and then a loft area as

398
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well. So

399
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>> sorry I know it's in here but just the

400
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» sorry I know it's in here but just the

401
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distance between the master bedroom's

402
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door and the start of the driveway for

403
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the carriage house

404
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>> start of the driveway or the patio

405
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» start of the driveway or the patio

406
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>> uh

407
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» uh

408
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go to

409
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>> site plan

410
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» site plan

411
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>> the site plan. So, [clears throat] this

412
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» the site plan. So, [clears throat] this

413
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would roughly be where that door is

414
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>> in here somewhere.

415
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» in here somewhere.

416
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>> Right here.

417
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» Right here.

418
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>> I see.

419
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» I see.

420
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>> And then this is the patio area. Their

421
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» And then this is the patio area. Their

422
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own private space. And then

423
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>> yeah, the garage the garage is that way.

424
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» The distance there is between those two

425
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is four meters I think it is. Or is it

426
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two or sorry one?

427
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>> It seems to show 1.2 two and 1.51. So

428
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» It seems to show 1.2 two and 1.51. So

429
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2.7.

430
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>> Yeah, it does meet the code. And then we

431
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» Yeah, it does meet the code. And then we

432
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had to

433
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>> we we were trying to get it

434
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» we we were trying to get it

435
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I would say closer but we had to play

436
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with really specific numbers because the

437
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fire rating that we had to do um and the

438
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glazing so with the windows. So in case

439
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because they are two separate dwellings.

440
00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:52,629
>> Oh yeah.

441
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» Oh yeah.

442
00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:53,750
>> So we have to

443
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» So we have to

444
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>> the numbers are tight but they work.

445
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» Few more just minor things. Um, uh, just

446
00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,040
along the same lines as what, um, David

447
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was saying about the, uh, heat pump

448
00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,399
positions. Um, I wasn't so concerned

449
00:13:06,399 --> 00:13:08,240
about the noise, but I was thinking the

450
00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,079
walkway like along the side of the

451
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house. Um, it's just the position of the

452
00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:13,839
heat pump looks like. It might be kind

453
00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:15,519
of awkward to walk around. I don't know

454
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how the width of the walkway compares

455
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with

456
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>> 2 m. 2 me.

457
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» 2 m. 2 me.

458
00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,590
>> It's 2 me. Yeah. And they would protrude

459
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» It's 2 me. Yeah. And they would protrude

460
00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,279
any out farther than any of the eaves.

461
00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:23,750
>> Yeah. Okay.

462
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:23,760
» Yeah. Okay.

463
00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,470
>> So, it's within that uh there. So,

464
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» So, it's within that uh there. So,

465
00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:26,790
>> okay.

466
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» okay.

467
00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,069
>> Yeah. 2 m. That's

468
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» Yeah. 2 m. That's

469
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>> Yeah.

470
00:13:28,870 --> 00:13:28,880
» Yeah.

471
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>> Six feet almost. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In my

472
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» Six feet almost. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. In my

473
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head I was trying to picture like is it

474
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an wheelbarrow and

475
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do that.

476
00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:37,829
>> Okay. Then the other thing was just

477
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» Okay. Then the other thing was just

478
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super minor. Um I noticed on that block

479
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there's quite a few uh entrances where

480
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the doors are nice colors like there's

481
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reds and blues and stuff like that and I

482
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thought that could uh break up the gray

483
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scale of the front of the sixth street

484
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entrance

485
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>> to uh consider maybe a bit of color on

486
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» to uh consider maybe a bit of color on

487
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the doorway.

488
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>> We were considering um a wood stained

489
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» We were considering um a wood stained

490
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door.

491
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>> Oh yeah. Okay. Um, that's something that

492
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» Oh yeah. Okay. Um, that's something that

493
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we can probably revise on on the

494
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submission to the building.

495
00:14:00,079 --> 00:14:00,710
>> Yeah.

496
00:14:00,710 --> 00:14:00,720
» Yeah.

497
00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:01,030
>> We go.

498
00:14:01,030 --> 00:14:01,040
» We go.

499
00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,710
>> I mean, that's a a good option as well.

500
00:14:02,710 --> 00:14:02,720
» I mean, that's a a good option as well.

501
00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,790
>> Yes. Just neutral colors. Yeah. Uh,

502
00:14:04,790 --> 00:14:04,800
» Yes. Just neutral colors. Yeah. Uh,

503
00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,079
we're not looking for like a red or a

504
00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:07,360
pink or a blue door. No offense.

505
00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,040
Anybody's got one of those ice down,

506
00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:10,470
>> but yeah, you're right. Just something

507
00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:10,480
» but yeah, you're right. Just something

508
00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,839
that just adds a little bit of,

509
00:14:11,839 --> 00:14:12,230
>> you know.

510
00:14:12,230 --> 00:14:12,240
» you know.

511
00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,430
>> Yeah. A little more interesting than

512
00:14:13,430 --> 00:14:13,440
» Yeah. A little more interesting than

513
00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,160
just a gray or white. Yeah.

514
00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:22,790
Um,

515
00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,120
and now I noticed there was um drainage

516
00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,600
for the driveways in front of the

517
00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,519
garage, but is there any consideration

518
00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:31,600
for like do they come up with permeable

519
00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,040
surfaces for those because I know a lot

520
00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,320
of developments we'd like to go with

521
00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,880
permeable driveways, right?

522
00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,990
>> Um, in the driveways in the front or

523
00:14:39,990 --> 00:14:40,000
» Um, in the driveways in the front or

524
00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,680
exterior sideyard, do you have a

525
00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,519
restriction on how much of those yards

526
00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:47,760
and that anything over 30% up to the

527
00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,000
maximum of 50 has to be permeable. Okay.

528
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:51,990
>> These are in the rear yard off the lane.

529
00:14:51,990 --> 00:14:52,000
» These are in the rear yard off the lane.

530
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,600
And so there's the two full parking

531
00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,120
spaces

532
00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,189
>> and then the two kind of short driveways

533
00:14:57,189 --> 00:14:57,199
» and then the two kind of short driveways

534
00:14:57,199 --> 00:14:58,639
leading to the garages.

535
00:14:58,639 --> 00:14:59,269
>> Yeah.

536
00:14:59,269 --> 00:14:59,279
» Yeah.

537
00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:00,310
>> Um

538
00:15:00,310 --> 00:15:00,320
» Um

539
00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,389
>> Okay. So they're under that threshold.

540
00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:02,399
» Okay. So they're under that threshold.

541
00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:07,110
>> I can't recall if they are permeable or

542
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:07,120
» I can't recall if they are permeable or

543
00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,760
concrete.

544
00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,430
>> I believe it's a concrete. The driveway

545
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:09,440
» I believe it's a concrete. The driveway

546
00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,839
is concrete with the drains and there's

547
00:15:11,839 --> 00:15:13,600
the the

548
00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,750
>> uh I don't know how you want to define

549
00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:15,760
» uh I don't know how you want to define

550
00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,480
permable surfaces right now. They're

551
00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,230
>> seem to be kind of changing on the fly.

552
00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:20,240
» seem to be kind of changing on the fly.

553
00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,880
So we have concrete pavers that will

554
00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,199
have permable sand in between them

555
00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:27,509
>> um within the patio area

556
00:15:27,509 --> 00:15:27,519
» um within the patio area

557
00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:30,949
>> there. So and that was all um

558
00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:30,959
» there. So and that was all um

559
00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:33,110
>> calculated and design in the design as

560
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:33,120
» calculated and design in the design as

561
00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,720
well with the storm water management

562
00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:36,079
system they were doing [clears throat]

563
00:15:36,079 --> 00:15:37,680
that was all looked at as well.

564
00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:38,870
>> Okay. Yeah. as long as there's

565
00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:38,880
» Okay. Yeah. as long as there's

566
00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:39,839
consideration for that.

567
00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:40,310
>> Thank you.

568
00:15:40,310 --> 00:15:40,320
» Thank you.

569
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,829
>> Yeah.

570
00:15:41,829 --> 00:15:41,839
» Yeah.

571
00:15:41,839 --> 00:15:43,910
>> Um

572
00:15:43,910 --> 00:15:43,920
» Um

573
00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:45,519
and then this is kind of a unique one to

574
00:15:45,519 --> 00:15:48,000
your site. Um not the building itself,

575
00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,480
but I noticed that uh there's been a um

576
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,000
really nice wood carving out on the

577
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,160
boulevard facing Sixth Street. Do you

578
00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,600
have any plans for that? Because it

579
00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,880
feels like it'd be a nice thing to keep

580
00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,320
or maybe to donate to the town for a

581
00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,600
park or something if you don't want it.

582
00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,949
>> Yeah, it's actually it's it's it's being

583
00:16:02,949 --> 00:16:02,959
» Yeah, it's actually it's it's it's being

584
00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:04,470
>> it's being sawed down as we speak.

585
00:16:04,470 --> 00:16:04,480
» it's being sawed down as we speak.

586
00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:05,110
>> Is it okay?

587
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:05,120
» Is it okay?

588
00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,110
>> Yeah. So, they were there I was there

589
00:16:07,110 --> 00:16:07,120
» Yeah. So, they were there I was there

590
00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,800
right before that. So, as soon as I kind

591
00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,639
of get out, I'll go see how they're

592
00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:12,880
doing. There's the holly that was

593
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:13,759
removed. Okay.

594
00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:15,430
>> Um, and the guys are just kind of tuning

595
00:16:15,430 --> 00:16:15,440
» Um, and the guys are just kind of tuning

596
00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,079
that up. And, um, they they know Capital

597
00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:19,360
Tree Service is doing it. And there's

598
00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,279
three guys there and they're they are

599
00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:22,560
uh, hacking it down from there. I'm

600
00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:24,160
picking it up later today. Okay. We'll

601
00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,079
see what we can we can do with that. So,

602
00:16:26,079 --> 00:16:27,920
there's a Viking lady on the front and a

603
00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:29,120
Viking on the rear.

604
00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,430
>> Um, we've knocked on it a little bit and

605
00:16:31,430 --> 00:16:31,440
» Um, we've knocked on it a little bit and

606
00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,160
it is quite hollow, so they know to be

607
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,680
careful. I'm hoping it can stay in one

608
00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:36,959
piece and we'll see what we can do with

609
00:16:36,959 --> 00:16:38,399
that. We did think about that as well.

610
00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:38,720
So,

611
00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:39,829
>> yeah, I just thought it was kind of one

612
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:39,839
» yeah, I just thought it was kind of one

613
00:16:39,839 --> 00:16:40,959
of those things where you go down that

614
00:16:40,959 --> 00:16:41,839
street and it's like, "Oh, that's sort

615
00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:42,399
of neat."

616
00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:44,870
>> Yeah. Yeah. I also have about 2,000

617
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:44,880
» Yeah. Yeah. I also have about 2,000

618
00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,759
books if anyone's interested. Uh, that

619
00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:49,360
came with the house and a thousand

620
00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,040
another set of books. So, maybe I'll

621
00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,959
drop copies off for you guys.

622
00:16:52,959 --> 00:16:53,350
>> Yeah.

623
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:53,360
» Yeah.

624
00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:54,629
>> The next meeting.

625
00:16:54,629 --> 00:16:54,639
» The next meeting.

626
00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:55,990
>> I'm not sure what to do with them to be

627
00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:56,000
» I'm not sure what to do with them to be

628
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,360
honest with you. I might have to donate

629
00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,480
to a school and open ideas, but there's

630
00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:02,959
50 boxes of brand new books.

631
00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:05,669
>> Well, that's it for me.

632
00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:05,679
» Well, that's it for me.

633
00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:08,470
>> Okay. I've got a few comments. Um, I

634
00:17:08,470 --> 00:17:08,480
» Okay. I've got a few comments. Um, I

635
00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,799
usually try to stay away from commenting

636
00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:13,839
on interior layouts, but those carriage

637
00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,120
units are really really tight in my

638
00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:17,839
opinion

639
00:17:17,839 --> 00:17:20,549
>> in in uh retrospect to the bed.

640
00:17:20,549 --> 00:17:20,559
» in in uh retrospect to the bed.

641
00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:22,949
>> Yeah. Sort of this this the use of the

642
00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:22,959
» Yeah. Sort of this this the use of the

643
00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:25,760
space. Like for example, there's no, as

644
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,679
far as I can tell, there's no storage

645
00:17:27,679 --> 00:17:30,640
room, right?

646
00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,039
They've got any anything they need to

647
00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:34,559
store. I'm not sure where they would

648
00:17:34,559 --> 00:17:36,480
store those.

649
00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,000
Um I I I guess what I'm getting at is

650
00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,720
that they're only 300.

651
00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:43,990
>> It's like a hotel room.

652
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:44,000
» It's like a hotel room.

653
00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,669
>> Yeah, exactly.

654
00:17:45,669 --> 00:17:45,679
» Yeah, exactly.

655
00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:48,630
>> So from my perspective, when it's that

656
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:48,640
» So from my perspective, when it's that

657
00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:50,320
tight,

658
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,039
they you really have to put some extra

659
00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,280
effort into making them as livable as

660
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:56,559
possible. Mhm. [clears throat]

661
00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:58,710
>> So, I don't know if there's a way that

662
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:58,720
» So, I don't know if there's a way that

663
00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,400
you can incorporate storage cuz from

664
00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,320
looking at the floor plans, I don't know

665
00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:02,880
where you

666
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,750
>> There there actually was I was pondering

667
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:05,760
» There there actually was I was pondering

668
00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,880
this idea. Um

669
00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,880
there's this angled wall right here.

670
00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:11,990
>> Yeah.

671
00:18:11,990 --> 00:18:12,000
» Yeah.

672
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,390
>> Um we were talking about having this go

673
00:18:14,390 --> 00:18:14,400
» Um we were talking about having this go

674
00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,799
out a little further and just because

675
00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:18,559
this furniture is laid out here, it's

676
00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:20,880
not necessarily going to be there. Um

677
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,400
like we had designed there was going to

678
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,760
be uppers and we thought maybe we do a

679
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,160
kitchen island right there which would

680
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,160
give just some more open space but then

681
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,240
you don't have a round table that you

682
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,160
know you don't need a table for four for

683
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,600
living of one. Um so there was going to

684
00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,442
be an island there and but

685
00:18:37,442 --> 00:18:38,799
[clears throat] we can work on this and

686
00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:39,919
we thought that we would maybe bring

687
00:18:39,919 --> 00:18:41,280
this out to here which would give some

688
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,320
optional space here or bring this out

689
00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,240
here have this out here. This could be

690
00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:47,679
the space and then you know you put your

691
00:18:47,679 --> 00:18:49,360
TV there mounted. So there is a little

692
00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,240
bit of area and room right here to uh to

693
00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,840
accommodate that.

694
00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,150
>> Whatever you could do builtins or or

695
00:18:56,150 --> 00:18:56,160
» Whatever you could do builtins or or

696
00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,679
something because people will have stuff

697
00:18:59,679 --> 00:19:01,350
>> garage

698
00:19:01,350 --> 00:19:01,360
» garage

699
00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:03,039
they don't have access.

700
00:19:03,039 --> 00:19:05,350
>> Well this area like yeah like this area

701
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:05,360
» Well this area like yeah like this area

702
00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,799
here what is the measurement here? This

703
00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:08,400
is 3 foot six. So

704
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,230
>> 3T by another three foot that can give

705
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:10,240
» 3T by another three foot that can give

706
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:11,919
you know at least a broom closet.

707
00:19:11,919 --> 00:19:12,310
>> Okay.

708
00:19:12,310 --> 00:19:12,320
» Okay.

709
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,990
>> Um and then there was talks of

710
00:19:13,990 --> 00:19:14,000
» Um and then there was talks of

711
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,919
incorporating an uh a pantry unit. We

712
00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:19,039
still have to figure out the appliance

713
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:20,640
areas, but they're, you know, having a

714
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,919
pantry unit that can accommodate maybe a

715
00:19:21,919 --> 00:19:24,000
little vacuum or a Dyson or a room or

716
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,600
something. But I I understand what

717
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,480
you're saying. Yeah.

718
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,110
>> And then you've looked to the site plan

719
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:29,120
» And then you've looked to the site plan

720
00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:29,679
for a minute.

721
00:19:29,679 --> 00:19:30,789
>> Yeah.

722
00:19:30,789 --> 00:19:30,799
» Yeah.

723
00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:33,270
>> So, if I read the site plan correctly,

724
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:33,280
» So, if I read the site plan correctly,

725
00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,480
the private open space for the suit is

726
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,880
mainly just an extension of the parking

727
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,360
area. Mhm.

728
00:19:41,360 --> 00:19:43,270
>> And again, it goes back to my comment

729
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:43,280
» And again, it goes back to my comment

730
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,280
about because this is so tight, that

731
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:49,600
private space for the suites, in my

732
00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,960
opinion, needs to be as livable as

733
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,720
possible.

734
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,240
Um,

735
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,000
and I there's obviously different ways

736
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,880
of doing that to separate it from the

737
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:02,799
parking,

738
00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:05,919
landscaping, what whatever can be done

739
00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:08,240
to just sort of make that a little bit

740
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,000
more enjoyable space.

741
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,830
>> We we talked about having at the point

742
00:20:11,830 --> 00:20:11,840
» We we talked about having at the point

743
00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,280
of the front of the triangle here, we

744
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,880
talked about having a fence line there,

745
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,919
but my concern was accessibility. So

746
00:20:17,919 --> 00:20:20,720
when somebody's coming in uh not as

747
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,000
able-bodied as the next person,

748
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,880
wheelchair heavy not or walker, um it

749
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,240
would get kind of congested in that

750
00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:27,919
area, like it does fit and work, but

751
00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:32,400
it's just I think it it would be

752
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,720
um up to maybe the homeowners at that

753
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:36,480
end, whoever is living or what they're

754
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,600
doing with that space because they could

755
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,480
be using as a studio as whatever they

756
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,480
would choose to they want to rent it

757
00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,000
out. So, it does give a bunch of

758
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,320
options, but that was my my concern is

759
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:48,400
if having your car here, I mean, it

760
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,000
works. You have your staircase, but just

761
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,919
trying to move around there and then

762
00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:53,039
you'd have to open up a gate and

763
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:54,480
maneuver around. I just don't see how

764
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,360
that would function.

765
00:20:55,360 --> 00:20:58,470
>> Even don't want to start designing it.

766
00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:58,480
» Even don't want to start designing it.

767
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,390
>> Not my business. But, even if it had

768
00:21:00,390 --> 00:21:00,400
» Not my business. But, even if it had

769
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:01,919
different paving materials, just to

770
00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:03,120
dimote that that's

771
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,149
>> okay to be a private space as opposed to

772
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:06,159
» okay to be a private space as opposed to

773
00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:08,159
it's just I think it's blue in concrete

774
00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:10,880
right through. I mean some some and all

775
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,720
I'm saying is something that makes that

776
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:13,840
space more

777
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,270
>> maybe carrying the bricks that are on

778
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:15,280
» maybe carrying the bricks that are on

779
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,080
the patio.

780
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,990
>> That's another idea. Just something to

781
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:18,000
» That's another idea. Just something to

782
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,159
make that a little bit more enticing.

783
00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:20,549
>> Okay.

784
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:20,559
» Okay.

785
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:22,310
>> For anybody that's going to be there.

786
00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:22,320
» For anybody that's going to be there.

787
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,789
>> Um I'll get you a second. I got a I got

788
00:21:24,789 --> 00:21:24,799
» Um I'll get you a second. I got a I got

789
00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:27,360
a few other ones. This one I might uh

790
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:31,520
Alice might direct your way. So,

791
00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,120
I have a real big concern about access

792
00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:39,600
for first responders and

793
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,840
all those guys is they're going to be

794
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,400
coming up to the front of the building

795
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,799
not knowing where to find those two

796
00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:49,440
units. So this is something that we work

797
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,760
with when de when when designs come in

798
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,520
like this through from the very start

799
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,120
with our development review committee

800
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,960
which is meeting with people from all

801
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,280
departments about addressing how the

802
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,039
addressing would go and where a sign

803
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:02,320
would go on the property to show where

804
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,400
the access is to the other units. So

805
00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:05,600
that yeah we work with the fire

806
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,120
department on that. The same issue came

807
00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:08,559
up with the buildings. Do you remember

808
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:11,200
at at fifth and ocean and fourth and

809
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,000
ocean and right next door at 2436 ocean

810
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,360
because two units face the street and

811
00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:17,039
there's one in the back. So, the same

812
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,720
concern came up. How do we get first

813
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,200
responders or even the pizza delivery

814
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,799
person to find their right front door?

815
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:26,320
So, yeah, definitely looking into that.

816
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,390
>> Um, and then from walking around that

817
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:30,400
» Um, and then from walking around that

818
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,480
neighborhood, I know it's mentioned in

819
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,520
the staff report, but I do have some

820
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:37,440
concerns about the massing of this

821
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,520
building comparison to the other

822
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,360
buildings around it. It's a little one

823
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:42,880
story. Well, there's three little one

824
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:43,919
stories

825
00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:46,710
>> to the north of this. Other buildings on

826
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:46,720
» to the north of this. Other buildings on

827
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:50,240
that street are one and a half, two

828
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,400
stories, but with uh

829
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:53,990
>> uh the the house on

830
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:54,000
» uh the the house on

831
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,789
>> the house on the north side. Um uh

832
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:56,799
» the house on the north side. Um uh

833
00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,440
Dorothy and Linda, I believe, who own

834
00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,840
the house.

835
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:00,149
>> Yeah.

836
00:23:00,149 --> 00:23:00,159
» Yeah.

837
00:23:00,159 --> 00:23:01,590
>> I've been communicating with them and

838
00:23:01,590 --> 00:23:01,600
» I've been communicating with them and

839
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,919
she has praised about what we're

840
00:23:03,919 --> 00:23:06,880
building because it's not something that

841
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,120
is around the corner. So, she's actually

842
00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,799
really being our side neighbor, she is

843
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:15,280
really appreciative of what we have

844
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,280
built or are going to build.

845
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,070
>> As well as the fella on the corner. Um,

846
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:20,080
» As well as the fella on the corner. Um,

847
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,590
>> he is you.

848
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:21,600
» he is you.

849
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,190
>> Yeah. Yeah. He's right on ocean there.

850
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:23,200
» Yeah. Yeah. He's right on ocean there.

851
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,840
So, he was wondering if maybe

852
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,990
>> we could clean up some of the bush nuts

853
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:28,000
» we could clean up some of the bush nuts

854
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,440
dropped in his yard for the squirrels

855
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,960
and stuff. So, so I told him we would

856
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,080
help out as much as we can with the

857
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:33,679
fence as well. My point is when you look

858
00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:35,840
at that streetscape, it's just

859
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,470
>> it is quite a departure from that little

860
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:38,480
» it is quite a departure from that little

861
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,159
bungalow to the other side. And there's

862
00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:41,919
three like that down there. And then the

863
00:23:41,919 --> 00:23:43,840
other ones on the other side are more

864
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,280
there's some of them are two stories,

865
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,400
but with a different roof form that

866
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,440
seems to be kind of repeated. So

867
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,350
>> yeah, where the floors are built into

868
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:53,360
» yeah, where the floors are built into

869
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,360
the trusses. I mean we we I mean

870
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,200
alternatively that we could I think

871
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,360
we're in we were able Allison to go up

872
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:00,480
another whole floor.

873
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:01,750
>> Yeah, that's right. the provincial

874
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:01,760
» Yeah, that's right. the provincial

875
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,440
legislation for the small scale

876
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,360
multi-unit does pretty much require

877
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,600
municipalities to allow three stories.

878
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,270
>> So, which which I thought I mean we had

879
00:24:09,270 --> 00:24:09,280
» So, which which I thought I mean we had

880
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,559
the conversation. I just thought that

881
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,039
would be a little too little too tall.

882
00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:16,320
Um, Linda and Dorothy also expressed

883
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,320
they liked our window placements for

884
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,240
privacy purposes on the side. So, Tara

885
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,400
took that into consideration. Um, where

886
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,760
we have our dining room, usually it's

887
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,120
nice to have a nice big dining room

888
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,880
window. This is a transom window that is

889
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,320
six and a half ft off the ground that

890
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,159
you can't peek in over and and take a

891
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,799
look. So, there was thought put into it.

892
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,679
Um the peaks of the roofs, I mean, align

893
00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:42,159
with the neighbors on the left, but um

894
00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:43,679
the neighbors on the right, but we've

895
00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:46,080
had uh appreciative consideration from

896
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,200
them about the design, so I'm content

897
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:53,919
with what's there. Um

898
00:24:53,919 --> 00:24:57,190
yeah.

899
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:00,000
Yeah, the one on the on the left on that

900
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,200
image, I'd say based on the streetscape

901
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,919
is a bit of an anomaly. The other ones

902
00:25:05,919 --> 00:25:07,440
are

903
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,640
certainly kind of a different

904
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,320
housing styles, but okay.

905
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,029
>> Um, David, you had something else you

906
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:17,039
» Um, David, you had something else you

907
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,720
want? Well, it was just in conjunction,

908
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,400
Dennis, with what you were talking about

909
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,480
the sideyard space

910
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,320
units above and so through uh uh you

911
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,400
Allison, I'm assuming for egress,

912
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,799
emergency egress going through to the

913
00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,200
rear area out

914
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,200
second means of egress emergency from

915
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,799
front

916
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:43,830
>> from the front unit.

917
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:43,840
» from the front unit.

918
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,549
>> Yeah. So the again that's a a pretty

919
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:46,559
» Yeah. So the again that's a a pretty

920
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,159
technical code question. I'm not a

921
00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:49,600
building inspector so I don't know all

922
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,440
the code requirements but that would be

923
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,159
looked at

924
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:55,269
>> the case and it also lead you to an area

925
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:55,279
» the case and it also lead you to an area

926
00:25:55,279 --> 00:25:57,600
that in conjunction with the only

927
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000
entrance and exit from up above is into

928
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,720
the same area. So they need openness

929
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:06,000
through the the garage parking areas

930
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960
unencumbered to be able to eress if in

931
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,600
fact fire is towards front. Sorry,

932
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,840
you're asking about windows in the the

933
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,279
backyard building or the

934
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:17,190
>> No, not windows at all. It was Dennis's

935
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:17,200
» No, not windows at all. It was Dennis's

936
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,360
comment about maybe putting some fencing

937
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:24,240
and so forth. And I'm just wondering if

938
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,110
>> that would un you know if it would limit

939
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:27,120
» that would un you know if it would limit

940
00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,400
I suppose the exiting capabilities uh in

941
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,720
an emergency situation plus the access

942
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,880
to that area from emergency vehicles

943
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,640
too much blocked off because there'll be

944
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,520
probably sideyard fencing

945
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,230
>> and um the only way of getting out if

946
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:44,240
» and um the only way of getting out if

947
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,909
the former building is on fire.

948
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:51,360
Well, flipping that around too, the

949
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:53,919
first responders have direct access from

950
00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:57,600
the lane if the car is at the back of

951
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,110
>> That's right. So,

952
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:59,120
» That's right. So,

953
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,750
>> I think the fence open as possible.

954
00:27:01,750 --> 00:27:01,760
» I think the fence open as possible.

955
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:02,950
>> I mean, there would be gates in the

956
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:02,960
» I mean, there would be gates in the

957
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,080
fence and I think the the first

958
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,840
responders like with every every new

959
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,000
building that gets built, uh, the fire

960
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,840
department looks at the plans and

961
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840
develop a response plan and then that's

962
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,600
saved on file when they and they review

963
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,360
it as they're going to to the call if

964
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,880
there is one. Um, and codewise that's

965
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,559
part of the building officials review is

966
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,159
they look at the distance between the

967
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:27,360
buildings and you can see a line here as

968
00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,760
as was mentioned by by Brennan a few

969
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,720
minutes ago. Um, this line down here

970
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,080
shows kind of the code property line.

971
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,520
It's not a property line, but that's the

972
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,039
line that we're looking at for

973
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:40,960
determining how many openings can we

974
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,720
have between the buildings and how big

975
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,640
they can be. the closer together they

976
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,960
are, the smaller those openings can be

977
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,120
to prevent fire spread between the two.

978
00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:50,880
But I think I mean first responders will

979
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,480
work around fences and gates. And yeah,

980
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,080
we don't we don't want to unnecessarily

981
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,399
block things off, but it it wouldn't be

982
00:27:56,399 --> 00:27:59,039
an unsettling situation. Have a fence in

983
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,360
the backyard separating a back lane

984
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,480
access from the rear garden area. Yeah,

985
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,360
my comment is more open is better as

986
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,960
opposed to [clears throat] block.

987
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,669
>> Yeah. The balance between not having

988
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:11,679
» Yeah. The balance between not having

989
00:28:11,679 --> 00:28:14,080
that privacy space for the sweets.

990
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,430
>> No, I understand.

991
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:15,440
» No, I understand.

992
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:16,950
>> The bunker of the car,

993
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:16,960
» The bunker of the car,

994
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:21,350
>> right? Is there any uh objection for a

995
00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:21,360
» right? Is there any uh objection for a

996
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:22,960
future homeowner to do something like

997
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,760
that on their own if they choose like or

998
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,039
or would they be restricted to going

999
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:29,200
back through like the town of Sydney to

1000
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,440
ask permission or if they would like to

1001
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,080
do that for their own privacy? Because I

1002
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,919
I could also see that if we have a fence

1003
00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:38,320
that's going to the main area and they

1004
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,480
have if they're permitted to have a

1005
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,000
small business up there or a little

1006
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
hobby shop, you go through the gate as

1007
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,440
opposed to mistakenly go through another

1008
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,520
gate staircase there. So, I mean, the

1009
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,240
options there. I I would hate to put I'm

1010
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,559
not in favor of putting something there

1011
00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:54,080
when something could be put there if

1012
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,399
necessary after. My main concern was

1013
00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:58,799
more accessibility to the staircase and

1014
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:02,080
and the cars and not um it's it's it's

1015
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,760
tight. Everything works. I just would

1016
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
like to keep it as open as as possible.

1017
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,279
But I feel like there's a ton of options

1018
00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:11,760
to create your own private space if

1019
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,919
needed down the road. And and someone

1020
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:16,640
might have a 20 foot long Cadillac,

1021
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,120
someone might have a 7 foot smart car,

1022
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,480
too, which would kind of determine how

1023
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,240
much space they're they're going to need

1024
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:23,360
as well.

1025
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,029
>> And it will be up to the property owners

1026
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:25,039
» And it will be up to the property owners

1027
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,279
to determine who gets which parking

1028
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:28,720
space, if they're going to rent that

1029
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,600
unit out, how it will all happen. What

1030
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840
we've seen over the years in this small

1031
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,679
lot neighborhood here is that the

1032
00:29:35,679 --> 00:29:37,760
landscaping does evolve over time. Like

1033
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,440
yes, there's a development permit for

1034
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,039
the general form and character and the

1035
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:42,960
general landscaping, but when there's no

1036
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,480
strata, when it's a single property

1037
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,320
owner involved, even in this case, when

1038
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,520
there it sounds like there will be a

1039
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,640
strata, um, properties change and evolve

1040
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,720
over time. And we don't require a permit

1041
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,720
for somebody to put a fence up in a

1042
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,320
property like this. We would require a

1043
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:57,600
permit for a fence if they're an

1044
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,440
environmentally sensitive area, but

1045
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,760
they're not here. So, I mean, we we'd

1046
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,200
like people to come in and talk to us

1047
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,559
about the changes they're thinking for

1048
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:06,000
their property when they're in a form

1049
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:07,520
and character development permit area

1050
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,120
like this one, but they don't need a

1051
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
permit from us to come in and change

1052
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,279
their patio or put in fencing and things

1053
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:13,919
like that,

1054
00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:15,430
>> right? Which is why I guess I'm kind of

1055
00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:15,440
» right? Which is why I guess I'm kind of

1056
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,679
belaboring this point of at making sure

1057
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:21,760
at least the the basic elements of that

1058
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,080
privacy space are sort of incorporated

1059
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,520
into the development permit, whether

1060
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,520
it's different paving materials

1061
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,990
>> or um planters or whatever it is. Just

1062
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:32,000
» or um planters or whatever it is. Just

1063
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,799
something to distinguish that area a

1064
00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:37,760
little bit from the parking that's right

1065
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,430
up against it.

1066
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,679
Okay, I think I belvered that one

1067
00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:45,919
enough.

1068
00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:48,470
>> Just just one bill quick comment. Um uh

1069
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:48,480
» Just just one bill quick comment. Um uh

1070
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,000
just in regards to your concern about

1071
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,640
delivery access to the rear units. Um I

1072
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,320
I've done a lot of food delivery myself

1073
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480
and uh my experience with those kind of

1074
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,840
buildings where there's a unit in the

1075
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,159
back side. Usually the customer will

1076
00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,640
leave a note saying like go through the

1077
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,760
gate around the left side of the

1078
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,559
building, that kind of thing. Um, but

1079
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,480
newer buildings often will have like the

1080
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,080
unit numbers on the door itself and then

1081
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,919
they'll have another number at the front

1082
00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:13,600
with like an arrow saying go around the

1083
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,360
corner.

1084
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,679
I'm not too concerned about it person

1085
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:19,600
but um it sounds like it'll be solved.

1086
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,269
>> I think Allison you were saying that

1087
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:21,279
» I think Allison you were saying that

1088
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:22,720
when you get to the building permit

1089
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,600
stage the

1090
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,679
addressing and the direction to the

1091
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:29,919
addresses will be sorted out then. Is

1092
00:31:29,919 --> 00:31:30,559
that correct?

1093
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:31,029
>> That's right.

1094
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:31,039
» That's right.

1095
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:33,110
>> Yeah. So it'll be an address post

1096
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:33,120
» Yeah. So it'll be an address post

1097
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,470
>> staff we're already thinking about. I

1098
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:34,480
» staff we're already thinking about. I

1099
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,600
don't know what the details are for this

1100
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,960
one, but there would be some indication

1101
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,039
of how to get to those other units from

1102
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,789
the street.

1103
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:46,480
» Is there another um development on on

1104
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,080
sixth where it's already been cleared?

1105
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:54,149
>> There is six and more north, but it's

1106
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:54,159
» There is six and more north, but it's

1107
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:55,919
the house has been taken down staked

1108
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:56,559
out. Yeah,

1109
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:58,789
>> it's on the the east side of six. Yeah,

1110
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:58,799
» it's on the the east side of six. Yeah,

1111
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:00,240
north of Orchard. I know it's getting I

1112
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,120
just had

1113
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,750
>> relevant to this, but

1114
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:03,760
» relevant to this, but

1115
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:04,149
>> yeah,

1116
00:32:04,149 --> 00:32:04,159
» yeah,

1117
00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:05,590
>> I think it's I think it's kind of the

1118
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:05,600
» I think it's I think it's kind of the

1119
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,559
same same thing. Only single car

1120
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:09,919
garages. There's no um

1121
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:11,269
>> I don't think it's four units. I think

1122
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:11,279
» I don't think it's four units. I think

1123
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:12,559
it's two units.

1124
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:13,269
>> Yeah, sorry.

1125
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:13,279
» Yeah, sorry.

1126
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:14,549
>> That doesn't need a development permit

1127
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:14,559
» That doesn't need a development permit

1128
00:32:14,559 --> 00:32:15,519
like this one.

1129
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:16,789
>> Well, thanks. I just get a sense of

1130
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:16,799
» Well, thanks. I just get a sense of

1131
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:17,360
what's going on.

1132
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,549
>> And I only needed the development permit

1133
00:32:18,549 --> 00:32:18,559
» And I only needed the development permit

1134
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:20,159
because of those living outs above the

1135
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:20,640
garage.

1136
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,149
>> That's right. If you if this one had

1137
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:22,159
» That's right. If you if this one had

1138
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:23,840
been just two units, it would not need a

1139
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,279
development permit at all. Just be a

1140
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:26,960
building permit. If you hit three, then

1141
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,519
you need a uh then you need a

1142
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:30,399
development project.

1143
00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:32,070
>> I do have one a comment. Do you think

1144
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:32,080
» I do have one a comment. Do you think

1145
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,519
that down the road, I don't know if this

1146
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:34,880
is the appropriate time to talk about

1147
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,320
this, but do you think down the road,

1148
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,399
given what this is, is this is different

1149
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:40,640
than your typical forplex that's going

1150
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,600
on right now. Um, do you think there

1151
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,200
will be a a change in the bylaw to

1152
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:52,480
conform to to a design like this where

1153
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,720
it would be labeled as like a secondary

1154
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,240
suite as opposed to a four like four

1155
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720
units? Oh, it'll be it would be four

1156
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,600
units because the building code can't

1157
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,679
consider those units above the garages

1158
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,600
as secondary suites because the like

1159
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,000
secondary suite by the building code

1160
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,200
means you're building to a different

1161
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,000
standard of the code as opposed to a

1162
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,760
full-on separate dwelling unit. And this

1163
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,960
is like these are in a separate

1164
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,799
building. They can't be built to those

1165
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:20,399
lower standards of the building.

1166
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:21,430
>> Right. Okay.

1167
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:21,440
» Right. Okay.

1168
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,990
>> Um yeah,

1169
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:24,000
» Um yeah,

1170
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,070
>> two building permits, two buildings,

1171
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:26,080
» two building permits, two buildings,

1172
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,669
>> two two building permits, two

1173
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:27,679
» two two building permits, two

1174
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:30,000
structures.

1175
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,080
I can't see us changing the zoning bylaw

1176
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,919
to require certain layouts for the

1177
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:36,399
units. Like right now, Sydney zoning

1178
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:38,159
bylaw allows up to four units per

1179
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:39,760
property. It doesn't say they must be

1180
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,440
all in one building or they must be in

1181
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,039
two separate buildings. It's up to the

1182
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:44,720
owner's imagination for how to lay out

1183
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,159
these buildings in a way that conforms

1184
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:48,320
with bylaws and with the building code.

1185
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,320
Other municipalities have taken that

1186
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,000
small scale multi-unit legislation

1187
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,120
direction and developed bylaws that are

1188
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,600
more stringent in terms of how you can

1189
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,200
lay out those units. But Sydney is kind

1190
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,480
of wide open.

1191
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,909
>> And just to follow up on that, my

1192
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:01,919
» And just to follow up on that, my

1193
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:03,360
understanding from the staff report is

1194
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,000
that you will be bringing back some

1195
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,000
design guidelines and an amendment to

1196
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,679
the OCP.

1197
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:10,960
Is that correct?

1198
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,869
>> That right now. Yeah. Right now, the the

1199
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:12,879
» That right now. Yeah. Right now, the the

1200
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:14,879
design guidelines for this area, the

1201
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:18,320
intensive residential de DP area, they

1202
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,159
don't specifically speak to the the

1203
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:22,560
smooth type of development. Um, they

1204
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,240
talk about small lot and secondary

1205
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:25,760
suites within the small lot, but they

1206
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,040
don't talk about up to four units per

1207
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,320
Yeah, that would be a future amendment

1208
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,359
to the OCP.

1209
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:35,750
>> Okay. Anybody else have any other

1210
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:35,760
» Okay. Anybody else have any other

1211
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,800
comments, questions?

1212
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,520
Okay, I'm going to look for a motion

1213
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,159
regarding the staff recommendation

1214
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,280
that Eric secondary

1215
00:34:47,280 --> 00:35:08,470
David

1216
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,800
00859

1217
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,640
and the performing character of a 4-unit

1218
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,880
residential development for the property

1219
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,079
at 96166 Street be approved subject to

1220
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:19,520
the condition that the property owner

1221
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,599
shall prior to the issuance of the

1222
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:24,079
building permit a pay to the town of

1223
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,599
deposit the amount of 115% of the

1224
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,599
estimated cost to complete the hard and

1225
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:34,470
soft landscaping for the development.

1226
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,560
» Okay, so you moved and who seconded.

1227
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,240
David.

1228
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:43,270
So discussion

1229
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:48,560
I've got few things. Um I based on my

1230
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,720
comments I'd like to make some

1231
00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,760
amendments to the recommendation. We can

1232
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,880
sever these and go one at a time

1233
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,160
if that's uh works better. The first one

1234
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,440
would be prior to the amend the

1235
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:04,800
recommendation to say prior to the

1236
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,640
issuance of a building permit address

1237
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,119
the following design guidelines

1238
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,680
25.3.24

1239
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,280
too far regarding adjacent buildings.

1240
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,400
And that really goes back to my comment.

1241
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,920
I I hear what you're saying about your

1242
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,160
neighbor's fine with them, but I I think

1243
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,400
this could use some attention in terms

1244
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,480
of the building form perhaps responding

1245
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,000
to the uh streetscape a bit better than

1246
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,119
it does. So that's my motivation for

1247
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:37,920
that.

1248
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:44,710
So is there a secondary for that?

1249
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:47,839
motion fails.

1250
00:36:47,839 --> 00:36:51,040
Uh the next one is uh regarding private

1251
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,560
outdoor space. I know we had a lot of

1252
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680
discussion but I still think it needs

1253
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,720
something else in the recommendation

1254
00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:00,880
which is that prior to the issuance of a

1255
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,240
building permit address design

1256
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,800
guidelines 25.4.4

1257
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,440
regarding private workspace. That really

1258
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,240
defers to the comments I made about

1259
00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:15,359
landscaping and enhancing the liability.

1260
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:17,520
Second second that

1261
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:23,670
>> the number you referenced was 25.4.4

1262
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:25,040
» private outdoor space.

1263
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,069
>> Right.

1264
00:37:26,069 --> 00:37:26,079
» Right.

1265
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:28,790
>> Robert seconded

1266
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:28,800
» Robert seconded

1267
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,990
rolls in any uh discussion.

1268
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,800
I guess just um uh is so the wording is

1269
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,920
to make it more private or sorry do you

1270
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,480
mind repeating it again? So my

1271
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,880
motivation here is to make that space um

1272
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,440
to use it better

1273
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,960
word I can think it more livable

1274
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:53,430
>> right

1275
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:53,440
» right

1276
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,470
>> leave it to the staff how that gets

1277
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:56,480
» leave it to the staff how that gets

1278
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,560
sorted out whether it's landscaping

1279
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,280
paving materials fence whatever that

1280
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,480
ends up being

1281
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,589
>> but to simply have it put it bluntly as

1282
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:05,599
» but to simply have it put it bluntly as

1283
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:07,760
an extension of the parking space and my

1284
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040
view is some tension there seems to be

1285
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,119
some receptivity to that in order

1286
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,000
discussion already.

1287
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,349
>> Yeah.

1288
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:15,359
» Yeah.

1289
00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,030
>> The

1290
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:17,040
» The

1291
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:22,880
question or simple point of order. Um

1292
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:28,160
it when when this uh process that we're

1293
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,839
in today finishes, uh we're going to be

1294
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:38,710
putting up a record decision and then

1295
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:41,680
this is uh this is not going to be going

1296
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,599
to be back to council. So then that

1297
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,640
record of decision

1298
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,440
that is being covered under that as

1299
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,000
opposed to changing the motion.

1300
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,790
>> Well the record of decision correct me

1301
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:56,800
» Well the record of decision correct me

1302
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,560
Allison is simply capturing the

1303
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,040
discussion about commission. I'm saying

1304
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:02,960
I would like to see it

1305
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,390
>> strengthen.

1306
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,119
» That's right.

1307
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,510
>> That's right. I agree with that. Um we

1308
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:09,520
» That's right. I agree with that. Um we

1309
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,000
al have also seen APC use the record of

1310
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,320
decision um for a situation where say

1311
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,760
one member has a strong view about

1312
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,440
something that nobody else has that same

1313
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,200
strong view. The record of decision

1314
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,119
could say one member felt the

1315
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,520
development should be changed by XY Z.

1316
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,550
>> So that that that lone thought is still

1317
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:26,560
» So that that that lone thought is still

1318
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,440
taken to council but it's not part of

1319
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,870
>> so that's an option too to think about

1320
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:32,880
» so that's an option too to think about

1321
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,630
>> case

1322
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:34,640
» case

1323
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:35,920
passes it becomes part of your

1324
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:41,510
information. It fails.

1325
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,119
» So, we had a mover and a seconder on

1326
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,200
that one. Discussion. All those in

1327
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,520
favor?

1328
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,550
>> Opposed?

1329
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:58,079
Thank you. Um, last one uh is 25.4.25

1330
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,720
which is regarding the sweet entry which

1331
00:40:00,720 --> 00:40:02,560
we've discussed.

1332
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,990
Um,

1333
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,760
and it could just be extending the

1334
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,560
overhang for the for the entrance to the

1335
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,440
suite, but it need it needs

1336
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,240
some sort of attention

1337
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:17,760
for a couple reasons. And it's mentioned

1338
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,599
in the design guidelines. It's not only

1339
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,520
protection for the occupants of that

1340
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,560
building. It's also to identify for, for

1341
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,240
example, first responders that that's

1342
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:29,680
the entry to the unit. So, it does need

1343
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,280
something

1344
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,240
more than shown on the drawings.

1345
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,400
So, I'm looking for a secondary.

1346
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,990
>> So, you're looking for a

1347
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:40,000
» So, you're looking for a

1348
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,829
>> to extend the overhangs uh over the

1349
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:43,839
» to extend the overhangs uh over the

1350
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:45,520
stairs

1351
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,910
>> leading up to the

1352
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:47,920
» leading up to the

1353
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,280
units above the garages.

1354
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,030
>> I see.

1355
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:53,040
» I see.

1356
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,640
to it actually come out as far as the

1357
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:57,760
really at least

1358
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,069
>> it could be can levered. It could be

1359
00:41:00,069 --> 00:41:00,079
» it could be can levered. It could be

1360
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,119
leave it up to staff.

1361
00:41:03,119 --> 00:41:05,349
>> Yeah, David, you brought that up.

1362
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:05,359
» Yeah, David, you brought that up.

1363
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:08,150
>> Yeah. And and correct me if I'm wrong,

1364
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:08,160
» Yeah. And and correct me if I'm wrong,

1365
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,400
Alison. Isn't that referred to in your

1366
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,280
recommendation though? So, in the staff

1367
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,319
report, page five, the top of the report

1368
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,720
does say um weather protection could be

1369
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:20,880
improved or the entrances of the two

1370
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,720
units at the rear. That's me

1371
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,720
paraphrasing the sentence. Um but the

1372
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,480
staff recommendation does not have

1373
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,160
wording to that effect in it. So, if you

1374
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:29,760
wanted to add that, I'd suggest you use

1375
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:31,200
the same wording that you just did for

1376
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,760
the other two motions, saying address

1377
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:38,309
this guideline 25.36

1378
00:41:38,319 --> 00:41:40,160
and just refer to that so it's clear to

1379
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,760
council what what we're talking about

1380
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,200
there. And so, it's worded in the same

1381
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,480
way.

1382
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,990
>> He's thinking that's 2536.

1383
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:48,000
» He's thinking that's 2536.

1384
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,829
>> Yeah. Provide weather protection such as

1385
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:49,839
» Yeah. Provide weather protection such as

1386
00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:51,920
awnings and canopies at primary building

1387
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,680
entries.

1388
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,880
That one if you if you want to.

1389
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:01,430
>> Yeah. No, that makes sense. Thank you.

1390
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,440
Okay. And

1391
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:04,950
>> did you want to vote on that or did you

1392
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:04,960
» did you want to vote on that or did you

1393
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,240
make a motion?

1394
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:08,950
>> I made the motion. I second it.

1395
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:08,960
» I made the motion. I second it.

1396
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,430
>> Did it get voted on?

1397
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:11,440
» Did it get voted on?

1398
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,630
>> All in favor?

1399
00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:14,640
» All in favor?

1400
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,640
Great. Thank you. And then the last one,

1401
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,480
and Allison, and correct me if I'm

1402
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,319
wrong, I don't need to I don't think I

1403
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:21,760
need to incorporate this into the

1404
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,560
recommendation, but the the entry and

1405
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,240
the signage from the street to those

1406
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,040
carriage suites will be look after a

1407
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:29,839
building permit.

1408
00:42:29,839 --> 00:42:31,030
>> That would be a great one for the record

1409
00:42:31,030 --> 00:42:31,040
» That would be a great one for the record

1410
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,040
of decision if you wanted to mention

1411
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,839
that for that.

1412
00:42:33,839 --> 00:42:38,870
>> Good point. Okay. So then back to the

1413
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:38,880
» Good point. Okay. So then back to the

1414
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,190
main motion as amended.

1415
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:48,470
Want to try that one?

1416
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:52,630
Um,

1417
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,200
» did you want Ruth to read it out or

1418
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,710
>> Well, we just need to vote on the main

1419
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:56,720
» Well, we just need to vote on the main

1420
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:59,419
motion of amended.

1421
00:42:59,419 --> 00:43:01,510
[clears throat]

1422
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,119
» Did Did you want us to read it out or

1423
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:04,400
just you're going to vote on the main

1424
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,079
motion with those two additions?

1425
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:07,829
>> If that's fine, let's just do it that

1426
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:07,839
» If that's fine, let's just do it that

1427
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:09,920
way. Keep it simple. So, all those in

1428
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,680
favor of the main motion as amended

1429
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,560
carried. Thank you.

1430
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,520
All right. Um,

1431
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,160
moving on items disposition by council.

1432
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:26,150
Council

1433
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,720
» Third Street. What happened?

1434
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,349
>> It's still there.

1435
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:31,359
» It's still there.

1436
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,190
>> Actually looking for some clarification

1437
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:33,200
» Actually looking for some clarification

1438
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,040
because I watched that council

1439
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,040
discussion. I'm not entirely clear what

1440
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,520
council did.

1441
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,200
They moved the reszoning but not the

1442
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,079
development permit or did I not

1443
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,960
understand they of the high street? Um

1444
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,760
they vote um acceptance of demolition

1445
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,520
and they need to come back with on land

1446
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,920
I believe because it there was an

1447
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,240
acceptance of the setbacks for the

1448
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:04,480
cherry trees and um acceptance of the

1449
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,079
parking and yeah go ahead. You probably

1450
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,359
have a frame.

1451
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:11,030
>> Okay. I don't I was just going to pull

1452
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:11,040
» Okay. I don't I was just going to pull

1453
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,520
it up, but my recollection is council

1454
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,200
made a resolution to direct staff to

1455
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,599
prepare a bylaw to reszone the property.

1456
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:18,880
So, we're working on drafting that

1457
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,240
bylaw. And then they made a motion to

1458
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:23,760
bring forward the development variance

1459
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,680
permit for approval if the zoning by is

1460
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,480
adopted. And then they made a motion to

1461
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,000
bring forward the development permit for

1462
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,240
approval if the variance is approved.

1463
00:44:32,240 --> 00:44:33,599
So, all of those will come back to

1464
00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,839
council later. We'll start bringing back

1465
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:37,920
the bylaw.

1466
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,119
her first.

1467
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,790
>> I got the impression from the mayor's

1468
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:40,800
» I got the impression from the mayor's

1469
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,280
comments that he was comfortable with

1470
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,040
advancing the zoning the resoning bylaw

1471
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,480
but less comfortable with the

1472
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:49,599
development.

1473
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:51,670
>> So all three of them typically move

1474
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:51,680
» So all three of them typically move

1475
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,960
forward in this way that the res council

1476
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,400
made the resolutions that the

1477
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,000
development permit would be considered

1478
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,079
for approval if the zoning is approved.

1479
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:01,440
So council hasn't approved the

1480
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,359
development permit yet. are just saying

1481
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:04,720
we're going to put that we're going to

1482
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:07,920
consider that consider approving it um

1483
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,079
if we pass the zoning bylaw.

1484
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:11,990
>> So theoretically they could adopt the

1485
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:12,000
» So theoretically they could adopt the

1486
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,480
reszoning bylaw and not the development.

1487
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:15,109
>> Yeah, correct.

1488
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:15,119
» Yeah, correct.

1489
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:16,550
>> They could it's still council hasn't

1490
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:16,560
» They could it's still council hasn't

1491
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,280
made a final decision on that. Yeah.

1492
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,230
>> Yeah.

1493
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,960
» There was something in the in the

1494
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,680
resolution about shifting the driveway

1495
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,920
ramp to the underground on Third Street.

1496
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,079
shifting that slightly north. Yes.

1497
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:35,750
>> By half a meter to leave a little more

1498
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:35,760
» By half a meter to leave a little more

1499
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,760
unexavated space adjacent to those

1500
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:38,720
cherry trees. Correct.

1501
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:41,190
>> I think that was part of it.

1502
00:45:41,190 --> 00:45:41,200
» I think that was part of it.

1503
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:41,670
>> Yeah.

1504
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:41,680
» Yeah.

1505
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,150
>> But they um so I don't want to de labor

1506
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:44,160
» But they um so I don't want to de labor

1507
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,760
this, but they have a based on the

1508
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,920
additional requirements the commission

1509
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,599
put in there. They got a lot of work to

1510
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:53,119
do.

1511
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:54,800
Yeah.

1512
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,079
They've got to address the

1513
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,640
forestry elevation

1514
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,839
between the ramp. Jamie's concerns

1515
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:05,119
bicycle.

1516
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:06,550
>> I had a comment if you don't mind.

1517
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:06,560
» I had a comment if you don't mind.

1518
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,710
>> There's a laundry list for them to do.

1519
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:08,720
» There's a laundry list for them to do.

1520
00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:09,750
>> Yeah.

1521
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:09,760
» Yeah.

1522
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,230
>> That all comes after the result. So here

1523
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:14,240
» That all comes after the result. So here

1524
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,109
>> they think we'll end up back at

1525
00:46:17,109 --> 00:46:17,119
» they think we'll end up back at

1526
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:21,190
>> um I would say likely

1527
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:21,200
» um I would say likely

1528
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,710
>> not not promising just

1529
00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:22,720
» not not promising just

1530
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:25,430
>> No, no, it's fine. That was one one of

1531
00:46:25,430 --> 00:46:25,440
» No, no, it's fine. That was one one of

1532
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,000
two options.

1533
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:26,790
>> Thank you.

1534
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:26,800
» Thank you.

1535
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,589
>> Thank you.

1536
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:27,599
» Thank you.

1537
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:28,309
>> Thank you.

1538
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:28,319
» Thank you.

1539
00:46:28,319 --> 00:46:29,589
>> Thanks a lot.

1540
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:29,599
» Thanks a lot.

1541
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:32,630
>> I just wanted to mention that

1542
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:32,640
» I just wanted to mention that

1543
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,400
High Street actually had a um a little

1544
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,400
popup last week outside. Did you go to

1545
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:36,720
that?

1546
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:37,589
>> No, I heard about it.

1547
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:37,599
» No, I heard about it.

1548
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,510
>> Okay. because they had updated um

1549
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:39,520
» Okay. because they had updated um

1550
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,520
renderings and some of our feedback was

1551
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:46,150
already incorporated in that.

1552
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:46,319
» Sorry,

1553
00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:47,589
>> I just realized the committee missed

1554
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:47,599
» I just realized the committee missed

1555
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:49,200
doing the record of decision after you

1556
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,200
voted which we normally do before we

1557
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:52,640
talk

1558
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,390
>> by council just while it's still fresh

1559
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:54,400
» by council just while it's still fresh

1560
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:01,190
in everybody's heads.

1561
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,040
» Yeah.

1562
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,750
Address the addressing

1563
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,359
Are we going to do this?

1564
00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:10,150
>> Yeah.

1565
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:10,160
» Yeah.

1566
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:20,390
>> Live, Ruth.

1567
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,309
» Okay.

1568
00:47:26,319 --> 00:47:30,880
So, um, yes, based on my comment and

1569
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,319
your suggestion, Alison, which was a

1570
00:47:32,319 --> 00:47:34,480
good one, something to the effect of

1571
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,200
incorporate addressing

1572
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,359
for the carriage suites to assist first

1573
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:50,470
responders,

1574
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,680
deliveries.

1575
00:47:51,680 --> 00:48:00,150
>> Yeah. And deliveries. Good point.

1576
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Um if I can uh carry on folks are okay.

1577
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:06,560
I I would also just like to echo some of

1578
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,920
the comments I made during our

1579
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,560
discussion. The building form should be

1580
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,430
more sympathetic to

1581
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:16,800
» the building form should be more

1582
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:24,390
sympathetic to the neighborhood.

1583
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,720
Yeah, that's quite sympathetic to the

1584
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:31,990
>> we could say one member thought

1585
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,760
» to say yeah council that's not saying

1586
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,319
anything

1587
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,559
need to make more

1588
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,800
give council the direction okay I'll try

1589
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,520
not do that but okay [laughter]

1590
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,520
just

1591
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,240
Dennis maybe before you

1592
00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,680
do that I thought

1593
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,839
this is the whole areas like this are

1594
00:48:57,839 --> 00:49:00,720
under evolution and we can see examples

1595
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:03,200
of what's happening developments

1596
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,920
developments are going towards this kind

1597
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,720
of building which has already started in

1598
00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:11,200
this area other areas similarly are

1599
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,319
further ahead doing that so I'm not sure

1600
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:16,160
in my own mind that what we're seeing

1601
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,880
here irrespective nuances of it doesn't

1602
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,880
isn't a precursor to what it's going to

1603
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,440
be. So as far as the streetscape now the

1604
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:27,599
smaller buildings are being replaced or

1605
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,200
being overtaken purchased and not

1606
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,400
replicated single family office

1607
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,160
buildings. So

1608
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,109
>> I I appreciate that. But if you walk the

1609
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:39,119
» I I appreciate that. But if you walk the

1610
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:40,480
street

1611
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,589
>> even the newer buildings they have a

1612
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:43,599
» even the newer buildings they have a

1613
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:46,720
pitch roof form and not the hip roof

1614
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,880
that they're proposing. this roof form

1615
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,599
on this building is

1616
00:49:51,599 --> 00:49:56,079
um would be unusual on that street. So,

1617
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:59,040
it's really the roof form I'm after.

1618
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,870
>> We want to mention that

1619
00:50:00,870 --> 00:50:00,880
» We want to mention that

1620
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,470
>> if you want if you want more guidance

1621
00:50:02,470 --> 00:50:02,480
» if you want if you want more guidance

1622
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:03,839
for council

1623
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,230
>> more specific if you want your point to

1624
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:06,240
» more specific if you want your point to

1625
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:08,559
be heard here, it doesn't hurt to add

1626
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:11,280
that point. I I mean just from an

1627
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,359
objective perspective, there's many

1628
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:15,119
different styles of buildings in this

1629
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:16,960
neighborhood from like a very short

1630
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,680
onetory to a tall threetory.

1631
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,870
>> So,

1632
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:20,880
» So,

1633
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,230
>> but this is what the record of decision

1634
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:22,240
» but this is what the record of decision

1635
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,319
is for. If there's one one opinion that

1636
00:50:24,319 --> 00:50:25,839
the rest of the committee didn't see

1637
00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:27,839
merit in, you can put it in here.

1638
00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:29,829
>> They all have the same roof form. One

1639
00:50:29,829 --> 00:50:29,839
» They all have the same roof form. One

1640
00:50:29,839 --> 00:50:31,280
story, two story, or one and a half

1641
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,510
story.

1642
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,240
» Not this hip roof, which is really the

1643
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:40,720
going to make it look

1644
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:44,000
Well, I could say one member fell victim

1645
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,839
for be more sympathetic.

1646
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:50,079
Would that help counsel more?

1647
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:54,710
>> Yeah.

1648
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,440
And then if I can get one last one in

1649
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,599
and then I'll

1650
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:03,359
see others that the uh and I can I'm up

1651
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:04,640
for words. So I found this one. The

1652
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,640
living environment needs to be enhanced

1653
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,520
to compensate strain space. It goes back

1654
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,839
to my comment about in the private open

1655
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:14,319
space in the carriage suites. Yeah. The

1656
00:51:14,319 --> 00:51:16,319
living environment needs to be the

1657
00:51:16,319 --> 00:51:17,599
living environment of the carriage

1658
00:51:17,599 --> 00:51:21,359
suites needs to be enhanced.

1659
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:24,470
>> Did you want to put in there like maybe

1660
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:24,480
» Did you want to put in there like maybe

1661
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,559
about regarding storage?

1662
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:31,270
>> Yeah, storage landscaping or storage and

1663
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:31,280
» Yeah, storage landscaping or storage and

1664
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,190
privacy space.

1665
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,670
Okay, that's mine.

1666
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,559
» The committee

1667
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:46,390
>> a one member as well.

1668
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,319
» That's up to the committee.

1669
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:51,829
>> Look, these are my three. Are they one

1670
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:51,839
» Look, these are my three. Are they one

1671
00:51:51,839 --> 00:51:55,760
member felt that things or I don't I

1672
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,870
um

1673
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,079
I think the uh I think the privacy space

1674
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:03,520
part is where I'm having difficulty with

1675
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,680
because the design of this one and I

1676
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,920
don't know what how that interpret but I

1677
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,440
do think there was a clear direction

1678
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,839
around storage this suite has not so I

1679
00:52:13,839 --> 00:52:16,319
think that's a legitimate

1680
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:20,240
um observation I would support privacy

1681
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:23,599
face. I think it's it's conceited in

1682
00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:27,040
this type of design. I I know you want I

1683
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,119
like to have it improved. I show how to

1684
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,839
I don't know what that would look like.

1685
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:34,390
>> I do. [laughter]

1686
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:34,400
» I do. [laughter]

1687
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,990
>> Okay.

1688
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:39,440
» It sounds like they can do some privacy

1689
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,400
space modifications after

1690
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,319
building.

1691
00:52:44,319 --> 00:52:46,880
I'm not sure.

1692
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,280
My my point, Robert, is that I would

1693
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,280
like to see the commission

1694
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,829
>> put that or in the water sooner. So, at

1695
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:53,839
» put that or in the water sooner. So, at

1696
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:54,800
least

1697
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,549
>> whether it's just alternative

1698
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:56,559
» whether it's just alternative

1699
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,069
>> Oh, no. I think your recommendation's

1700
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:58,079
» Oh, no. I think your recommendation's

1701
00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:59,280
well intentional.

1702
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,470
>> Hardcaping something and how they fiddle

1703
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:02,480
» Hardcaping something and how they fiddle

1704
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,319
with it afterwards. Is there a business?

1705
00:53:04,319 --> 00:53:08,069
>> Yeah, I'm fine with intent.

1706
00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:08,079
» Yeah, I'm fine with intent.

1707
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,069
>> Yes. One question is the mention of

1708
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:10,079
» Yes. One question is the mention of

1709
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:12,319
privacy space. Is that not similar to

1710
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:14,160
what we moved in the motion for the

1711
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,400
recommendation? Yeah, this is just

1712
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:23,430
>> sort of some nar.

1713
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,960
» Does the committee want to make any

1714
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,800
general comments about the development

1715
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,640
as a whole? Usually, it starts with kind

1716
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,800
of a more general comment than a

1717
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:32,960
specific, but again, that's up to APC

1718
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,559
members what you'd like to say.

1719
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:38,790
>> I I was going to say that uh overall it

1720
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:38,800
» I I was going to say that uh overall it

1721
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,920
was seems to be a good fit for the

1722
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,760
neighborhood.

1723
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:49,839
the applicant has done

1724
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:52,000
good job

1725
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:59,829
coming up with something for that.

1726
00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:03,040
» I agree with that

1727
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:13,190
standpoint as a pencil, right?

1728
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,280
of

1729
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:33,030
responding to the site constraints.

1730
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,440
So no issues with the size of those

1731
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,839
cures. Yes, those are exceptionally

1732
00:54:37,839 --> 00:54:41,270
small.

1733
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:44,160
Well,

1734
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,349
>> it's a motel room.

1735
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:45,359
» it's a motel room.

1736
00:54:45,359 --> 00:54:49,190
>> When when I when I was uh 25, I lived in

1737
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:49,200
» When when I when I was uh 25, I lived in

1738
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:52,079
small space [laughter]

1739
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:53,670
>> that would uh you know, I wouldn't

1740
00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:53,680
» that would uh you know, I wouldn't

1741
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,359
necessarily say that I'd want to live in

1742
00:54:55,359 --> 00:54:57,359
something like that now with my two

1743
00:54:57,359 --> 00:55:00,960
kids, but uh uh when I was 25, I think

1744
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,559
something like that would be perfectly

1745
00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:03,599
acceptable

1746
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:05,750
>> for a single person. I think uh they

1747
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:05,760
» for a single person. I think uh they

1748
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,599
will be filled.

1749
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,950
Yeah.

1750
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:12,400
One other thing is do we want to add a

1751
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,079
little note about my comment about

1752
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:18,000
adding a bit of color to the six street?

1753
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:19,440
I don't know how we word that exactly,

1754
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,030
but uh

1755
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,640
I specifically was referencing the

1756
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,520
doors, but um but I don't know the best

1757
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,160
way to word it.

1758
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,630
>> Color color details be incorporated into

1759
00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:30,640
» Color color details be incorporated into

1760
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,440
the front

1761
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,270
>> the front doors if that was your point.

1762
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:35,280
» the front doors if that was your point.

1763
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,349
>> Yeah. Could be window trim. It could be

1764
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:37,359
» Yeah. Could be window trim. It could be

1765
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:39,270
>> right.

1766
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:39,280
» right.

1767
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:40,870
>> You just want to do it outdoors.

1768
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:40,880
» You just want to do it outdoors.

1769
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,190
>> Just identity of the entrance.

1770
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:43,200
» Just identity of the entrance.

1771
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,270
>> Yeah, maybe entrance.

1772
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:45,280
» Yeah, maybe entrance.

1773
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,030
>> Mostly I was just I had a little look

1774
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:47,040
» Mostly I was just I had a little look

1775
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,480
down that block and it seemed like there

1776
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:49,680
was about half of the houses down there

1777
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,760
had some kind of color on the doors and

1778
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:52,799
might fit a bit better.

1779
00:55:52,799 --> 00:55:54,710
>> Entrances instead of elevation.

1780
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:54,720
» Entrances instead of elevation.

1781
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:55,750
>> Does that do it, Jamie?

1782
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:55,760
» Does that do it, Jamie?

1783
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:11,109
>> Yeah, I think that's probably

1784
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:13,680
A couple of us talked about the heaping

1785
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:14,960
positioning. I don't know if that's

1786
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:16,079
something we want to mention. That might

1787
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:18,079
be a little out of scope, I guess. But

1788
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:20,230
>> sounds like the applicant address those

1789
00:56:20,230 --> 00:56:20,240
» sounds like the applicant address those

1790
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:20,559
questions,

1791
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:26,309
>> I guess. So, yeah. Yeah,

1792
00:56:26,319 --> 00:56:28,000
» I just read that and I'm gonna take some

1793
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,280
guidance from but it would help the

1794
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,440
commission if in the future we're

1795
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,480
dealing more smooth

1796
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,480
that we have some design guidelines that

1797
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,559
we can measure

1798
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,799
it's a little uncomfortable having sort

1799
00:56:42,799 --> 00:56:45,680
of

1800
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,559
we use kind of a way our way through

1801
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,359
without really having to really measure

1802
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:51,839
Thanks.

1803
00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:53,510
>> Well, I think the design guidelines that

1804
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:53,520
» Well, I think the design guidelines that

1805
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,640
we have in the OCP for the the small lot

1806
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,559
residential, I mean, a lot of those are

1807
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:00,079
just kind of basic good design

1808
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,640
principles for dwelling units that are

1809
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,559
close together on small properties,

1810
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:05,680
which is not going to change when

1811
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,040
there's four dwelling units or two

1812
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,440
dwelling units. Um, we can it is on our

1813
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,440
list to do. So, we are working on it.

1814
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,760
And the thing with these is not all of

1815
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,839
the small scale multi-unit projects will

1816
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:17,440
be coming through the development permit

1817
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,359
process. They only do when the

1818
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:20,880
properties are already in a form and

1819
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,440
character DP area. Like we're seeing

1820
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,040
some coming in in other neighborhoods

1821
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,119
that are not in a DP area and those just

1822
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:28,480
go through the building permit process

1823
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,319
and we have no control over the look of

1824
00:57:30,319 --> 00:57:33,040
them. So they don't come to APC. Um but

1825
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,880
no, it is on our list. I'll take note of

1826
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:37,520
that for sure. And I'll mention that too

1827
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,720
to to Selena and to Romana to Cory the

1828
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,480
planners and as we're looking at these

1829
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,160
applications to think about that

1830
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,789
>> and that would be appreciated. That is a

1831
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:46,799
» and that would be appreciated. That is a

1832
00:57:46,799 --> 00:57:48,160
good interesting comment you just made

1833
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,000
that there's some with more challenging

1834
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,079
form and function design don't come to

1835
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:55,119
APC.

1836
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,670
>> Ones that are making an effort do come

1837
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:57,680
» Ones that are making an effort do come

1838
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,599
here. We do they get tougher scrutiny

1839
00:57:59,599 --> 00:58:00,880
here than they would

1840
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,710
>> definitely. Yeah. Because the the ones

1841
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:02,720
» definitely. Yeah. Because the the ones

1842
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:03,839
that that don't go through the

1843
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:05,520
development permit process. It's just a

1844
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,559
building permit

1845
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:08,710
>> and we we make them conform to the

1846
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:08,720
» and we we make them conform to the

1847
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,079
building code but there's no Yeah.

1848
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:12,559
There's no design control. So

1849
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:19,349
>> I like that one.

1850
00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:19,760
» Yeah.

1851
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,270
>> Yeah. By bank and rest haven. Oh

1852
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:23,280
» Yeah. By bank and rest haven. Oh

1853
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,829
>> yeah, that one.

1854
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:25,839
» yeah, that one.

1855
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:27,270
>> Yeah, there's a few different ones that

1856
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:27,280
» Yeah, there's a few different ones that

1857
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,079
don't. Yeah, that's right.

1858
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:31,589
>> That one, too. That's in an

1859
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:31,599
» That one, too. That's in an

1860
00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:33,760
environmentally sensitive DP area, but

1861
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,640
not a former character DP area. And the

1862
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,400
provincial legislation is pretty clear.

1863
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,160
They don't want municipalities creating

1864
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,440
DP DP areas for smooth development. They

1865
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,920
they're trying to minimize the steps. So

1866
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,359
I don't think we'd have any support in

1867
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:47,680
doing

1868
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:49,910
>> anything else director of decision

1869
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:49,920
» anything else director of decision

1870
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:56,309
before we

1871
00:58:56,319 --> 00:58:59,440
» all right. We've done items just by

1872
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,480
council. So did you want to go back?

1873
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:03,589
>> Are you comfortable?

1874
00:59:03,589 --> 00:59:03,599
» Are you comfortable?

1875
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,910
>> Is there any more questions about

1876
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:05,920
» Is there any more questions about

1877
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,069
>> ice?

1878
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:08,079
» ice?

1879
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:09,200
third [clears throat] street development

1880
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:11,920
and read third

1881
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,400
high street development.

1882
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,640
So as Alison's pointed out the driveway

1883
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,640
they've asked the driveway to be farther

1884
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,160
north to give more protection of the

1885
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,400
sherry trace of the adjacent property um

1886
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,240
and giant and they're addressing the

1887
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:29,520
design facade design on fourth street.

1888
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,280
Um I think at this point the middle

1889
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,319
cypress tree is on the chopping block.

1890
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:39,280
That'll be the ent way working around

1891
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,040
that. Um

1892
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,280
I think that's

1893
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,280
the meeting but still has to come back

1894
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,240
to council for the zoning and then those

1895
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,720
things we'll look at those things again

1896
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,480
to the development. They can't take the

1897
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,000
cyber street down until they get the

1898
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,680
zoning direct.

1899
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,030
>> They can't remove any trees till they

1900
01:00:01,030 --> 01:00:01,040
» They can't remove any trees till they

1901
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:01,839
get a building permit.

1902
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:03,510
>> That was in what we saw in our report.

1903
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:03,520
» That was in what we saw in our report.

1904
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,670
>> Yeah. Even if council approves the DP as

1905
01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:05,680
» Yeah. Even if council approves the DP as

1906
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,720
is and the variances as is, then um

1907
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,640
yeah, no trees can be removed. We don't

1908
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,480
issue the tree removal permit until the

1909
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,040
building permit is ready to go

1910
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:16,400
recognition report. I thought that was a

1911
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:16,960
good idea.

1912
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,630
>> The only times you would see protected

1913
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:18,640
» The only times you would see protected

1914
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,880
trees coming out earlier than that is if

1915
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,319
they're really close to a building being

1916
01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:23,680
demolished and the tree will be damaged

1917
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,280
when it's being demolished. So in those

1918
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,520
cases we can we let them come out.

1919
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:30,069
>> Just a side comment on that looking at

1920
01:00:30,069 --> 01:00:30,079
» Just a side comment on that looking at

1921
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:31,839
the three trees together and you take

1922
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:34,319
the center one out and bearing in mind

1923
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:37,040
that it's a access point for emergency

1924
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,359
vehicle. I'd suggest that by the time

1925
01:00:39,359 --> 01:00:41,440
the big trucks get through between the

1926
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,640
two um those other those other two or at

1927
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:46,319
least one of them probably isn't going

1928
01:00:46,319 --> 01:00:48,559
to survive it if it ever happens.

1929
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,910
>> They give all again the bones

1930
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:51,920
» They give all again the bones

1931
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,480
definitions that they looked into it. um

1932
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,119
that other locations that have supported

1933
01:00:57,119 --> 01:00:59,200
that kind of floating drive, but you're

1934
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:01,599
absolutely correct. Nobody no promises

1935
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,839
here other than we can put some

1936
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:06,160
protection on on the trees. But

1937
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,750
>> yeah, I'm thinking of the overhead that

1938
01:01:07,750 --> 01:01:07,760
» yeah, I'm thinking of the overhead that

1939
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,000
the way it's allowed now to take the one

1940
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,520
out. It's very narrow.

1941
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:12,789
>> Actually, if you go take a look at it,

1942
01:01:12,789 --> 01:01:12,799
» Actually, if you go take a look at it,

1943
01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:14,480
you take the one out of there,

1944
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,349
>> there's not much left overhanging. Well,

1945
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:17,359
» there's not much left overhanging. Well,

1946
01:01:17,359 --> 01:01:19,359
they'll have to clear out,

1947
01:01:19,359 --> 01:01:20,150
>> right?

1948
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:20,160
» right?

1949
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,670
>> That's what I remember when I looked at

1950
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:21,680
» That's what I remember when I looked at

1951
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,599
it. Yeah, it's fairly

1952
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:25,349
>> I thought it was fairly slim one in the

1953
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:25,359
» I thought it was fairly slim one in the

1954
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,040
middle and the other two were

1955
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,030
>> it's once someone goes out there will be

1956
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:29,040
» it's once someone goes out there will be

1957
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:30,559
a natural almost natural.

1958
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,549
>> Oh, is that right? Okay.

1959
01:01:32,549 --> 01:01:32,559
» Oh, is that right? Okay.

1960
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:33,109
>> All right.

1961
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:33,119
» All right.

1962
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,069
>> But we're still a ways from that as much

1963
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:36,079
» But we're still a ways from that as much

1964
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:37,680
as

1965
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:40,069
>> there's a number of steps to get through

1966
01:01:40,069 --> 01:01:40,079
» there's a number of steps to get through

1967
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:44,000
to get to that. Right.

1968
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,950
>> Right. Because what we added was

1969
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:46,960
» Right. Because what we added was

1970
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,520
uh shading of the windows that was to

1971
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,000
the units to the north. Right. Uh the

1972
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:56,640
fourth street streetscape

1973
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:58,240
overlook

1974
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:03,829
incorporating play areas. Right.

1975
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:07,760
And then in relation to the floating

1976
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,559
driveway that there be supervision by a

1977
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:11,599
consulting record,

1978
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,430
>> right?

1979
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:13,440
» right?

1980
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,190
>> But as point out, we're

1981
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:17,200
» But as point out, we're

1982
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:21,200
a distance away from that. Yeah.

1983
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:23,680
Okay. Any other questions, comments

1984
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,640
about that one? like just what I saw at

1985
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,799
that popup session and just thought

1986
01:02:28,799 --> 01:02:30,319
might be curious to hear that the play

1987
01:02:30,319 --> 01:02:32,640
area looks like um they were planning on

1988
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:33,680
I don't know if you remember the little

1989
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,760
notch in the south side it's like right

1990
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,200
in the corner of that notch they were

1991
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:38,160
talking about probably going to put the

1992
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:39,680
play area there they hadn't established

1993
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:40,880
what exactly that'll be but it looks

1994
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,040
like that's their plan to put it down in

1995
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,319
that corner

1996
01:02:44,319 --> 01:02:46,710
>> just I got a comment I saw that on

1997
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:46,720
» just I got a comment I saw that on

1998
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,359
social media that

1999
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:51,040
Allison have they talked to you at all

2000
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,319
because what are they doing what

2001
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:55,760
put some ideas around. They haven't even

2002
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,119
talked to staff.

2003
01:02:57,119 --> 01:02:59,430
>> I haven't heard about that yet.

2004
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:59,440
» I haven't heard about that yet.

2005
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:00,150
>> Um

2006
01:03:00,150 --> 01:03:00,160
» Um

2007
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,829
>> was like last Friday.

2008
01:03:01,829 --> 01:03:01,839
» was like last Friday.

2009
01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,510
>> Yeah, they did have an on-site open

2010
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:03,520
» Yeah, they did have an on-site open

2011
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,240
house for the for the community for

2012
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:07,280
neighbors.

2013
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,270
>> Um one of our staff went by and saw that

2014
01:03:09,270 --> 01:03:09,280
» Um one of our staff went by and saw that

2015
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,799
it seemed to be pretty well attended

2016
01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:13,359
even when it first started at 4 p.m. So

2017
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:16,630
>> interesting. Okay. All right. I'm going

2018
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:16,640
» interesting. Okay. All right. I'm going

2019
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,359
to ask for a motion to adjurnn.

2020
01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:21,599
Amy seconded

2021
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,960
in favor. Thank you very