1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:08,000 Okay, I think we'll get going. It's uh 10:03 by my clock. [clears throat] 2 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:11,360 Um first of all, uh I'd like to 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,440 respectfully acknowledge that we are meeting today on the traditional 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:19,320 territories of the Vasanish people comprising the Saudin 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:28,039 and Malahhat First Nations who have lived on a steward of the Sanish 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,039 Peninsula since time and memorial. 7 00:00:29,119 --> 00:00:34,399 First item on the agenda is approval of the agenda. 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:40,559 It's been circulated. Can I have a motion to approve it? 9 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:44,800 Councelor Batista. >> Agenda. 10 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:51,760 » Oh, that's right. Yeah. Um, sorry, Councelor Batista. I um I forgot 11 00:00:48,559 --> 00:00:57,039 that we're moving uh item number eight up after 4 A. So, it'll be u I guess 12 00:00:55,440 --> 00:01:00,160 we'll call it five and move the other ones down. It'll still be the same. 13 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,840 » Okay. >> So, so what is it? 8A. 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:08,479 » Uh 8A because the uh people who are presenting um would like to leave after 15 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,840 the presentation. >> Okay. 16 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,560 » Okay. May I entertain a motion uh to approve the agenda as what have I done 17 00:01:16,159 --> 00:01:22,960 now? >> Oh, you're doing great. I think 18 00:01:18,799 --> 00:01:25,280 » it Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. So, yes. 19 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:31,600 » Oh, I just wanted to uh add to the agenda. um looking for and and 20 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:38,240 discussing the um accessible parking um zoning bylaw at North Sanage just to 21 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:42,799 kind of uh give a a background and looking for an update on that. 22 00:01:40,479 --> 00:01:46,240 » Okay. >> Do we um make that 23 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:52,200 » should we just put it in after the Wayne? 24 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,200 » Yes, we'll make item 18. 25 00:01:53,119 --> 00:02:00,960 » Now we're good. Seeing no more changes, I'll entertain a motion to approve the 26 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:08,800 agenda as uh amended. All Charlene me second. 27 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:14,000 All in favor? Carried. 28 00:02:10,959 --> 00:02:18,879 Uh approval of the minutes. I did note one uh spelling error 29 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:23,280 that changes [clears throat] the meaning a little bit. So I'll mention that in 30 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:28,879 22C um the word accessibly 31 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:33,000 is noted in two places and it should be in both cases accessibility 32 00:02:33,519 --> 00:02:39,400 changes >> any other modifications 33 00:02:40,239 --> 00:02:49,200 » just um just some comments and I've had a bit of a discussion with staff on this 34 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:55,680 already but um some of the feedback back that I've been getting on on minutes 35 00:02:51,760 --> 00:03:01,920 from mayor, CEO, and others is that it needs the recommendations 36 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:09,599 or the motions that were uh putting forward need to be clear so they can 37 00:03:05,519 --> 00:03:14,640 understand what it is. um were were kind of 38 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:21,200 so um so instead of saying in the minutes, you know, uh feedback was given 39 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:25,440 to central Senate on this active transportation plan or whatever it is 40 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:31,040 that the following feedback was provided and then just in bullets so that you 41 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:39,120 know council can see what it is is the feedback um that's provided and then 42 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:45,360 also similarly in um in in the uh the motions need to be clear. So the one of 43 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:51,840 the motions that was problematic, it was I think we made a motion about um 44 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:56,720 discussion of uh that that the municipalities would discuss 45 00:03:53,760 --> 00:04:01,599 accessibility concerns with the airport. And so the question I got back was what 46 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:04,560 were the concerns? I said, "Oh, I think there was something about this or that." 47 00:04:02,799 --> 00:04:08,239 But I had to go replay the the meeting again. 48 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:12,159 Anyways, that's just kind of a >> Yeah, I totally agree. Even by the time 49 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:16,639 I get the minutes, I can't remember the specifics. 50 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:22,079 » Yeah. So, just for us to be uh mindful when we're making the motions and making 51 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:25,360 our points, but that's clear. >> Okay. And I'll make sure I review them 52 00:04:23,759 --> 00:04:28,560 because I get them first. >> Okay. 53 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:35,960 » I'll review them with that in mind, too. Good comment. Oh, morning. Sorry, I'm 54 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,960 late. You're right on time. 55 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,680 Uh any other comments? 56 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:46,320 Entertain a motion for approval of the minutes. 57 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:51,080 » Second and Charlene. All in favor? 58 00:04:51,199 --> 00:05:00,240 Um against any carried. Okay. The next item will then be the uh 59 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:05,233 right fit program presentation. I believe. Are they 60 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,720 uh prepared? Is Lindsay with us? [clears throat] 61 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:08,720 » Hello. >> Oh, hi Linds. 62 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:13,360 » Can you hear me? Hello. >> Yeah, that was good. 63 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:17,600 » Hi. Um, yeah, my program manager I think is running a minute or two late, but I 64 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:22,320 can go ahead and get started to just make sure you guys are on track for your 65 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:25,320 meeting. Oh, there she is. Perfect timing. 66 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:32,320 » Hi, Isabelle. We're just about to get started on our presentation now. Good 67 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:36,240 every good morning everyone. >> Morning. 68 00:05:34,479 --> 00:05:38,400 » Um should I go ahead and share my screen? 69 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,400 » Yes please. Yes. >> Okay. 70 00:05:43,223 --> 00:05:45,243 [clears throat] 71 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:54,800 » Perfect. >> Okay. See 72 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:59,520 » I can't see the Oh, there we are. Okay. Great. Excellent. Okay. Well, uh good 73 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:05,680 morning everyone. We're very excited to to be here. Thank you for welcome. Oh, 74 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:10,639 somebody waiting in the lobby. Okay, I got a little notification there. 75 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:15,600 Uh we're very excited to to be here and present the right fit program. So, thank 76 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:22,560 you for making uh space in your agenda for us. So, um you can go to to the next 77 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:28,080 slide. U Lindy. >> Oops. 78 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:33,199 Yeah, we'll do a a really quick intro. Oh. Uh, introduction slide back. 79 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:38,080 » Oh, yeah. I think sorry it might be lagging a bit. Is it okay? No worries. 80 00:06:35,759 --> 00:06:42,880 Yes. Okay. Yes. So, my name is Isabelle Brock. I'm the rightf program manager 81 00:06:39,919 --> 00:06:48,479 for Disability Alliance BC and I'm excited to be joined by Lindseay Simpson 82 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:53,759 who's uh the CRD housing coordinator for for DABC for for the right fed. So, um 83 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:59,120 we're we're pretty very happy to be here with you today. Um, I just want to give 84 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:02,880 you a bit of overview of Disability Alliance BC. I don't know how much you 85 00:07:01,039 --> 00:07:09,360 know about DABC um here, but we're uh provincial 86 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:13,599 disability voice since 1977. So, we've been around for a long time. And our 87 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:17,280 organization supports people with all disabilities to live with dignity, 88 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:22,639 independence, and as equal and full participants in the community. Uh, DABC 89 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:26,560 offers a really wide range of programs. So I won't go through that list 90 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:33,360 extensively because we have a limited time. Um but we help we support um 91 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:40,000 people with disabilities with a a number of uh programs, tax aid, we have a 92 00:07:37,039 --> 00:07:46,000 disability law clinic uh that provides free legal advice to people with 93 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:50,960 disabilities. Um we have an access advocacy access program which supports 94 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:56,560 um uh people with disabilities with their PWD applications. Uh we have a 95 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:02,960 program also that supports people with disability to access the uh DTC 96 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:08,240 disability tax credit and we also manage the right fit program which is the 97 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:13,919 program that brings us here today. Next. Yeah. Uh okay. So what is the right fit? 98 00:08:11,759 --> 00:08:19,039 The right fit is a service that addresses the crisis in accessible 99 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:23,440 housing. And we address this crisis by matching affordable accessible homes and 100 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:29,800 independent living supports with people who need it in the lower mainland and 101 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:29,800 now in the CRD. 102 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:37,440 We we have several goals with this program. We were created in 2017, so 103 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:42,719 we've been around almost for 10 years. We wanted to better utilize the existing 104 00:08:40,399 --> 00:08:48,399 supply to make sure that every accessible units go to people who really 105 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:53,519 need those units. We wanted to inventory every available unit to make sure that 106 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:58,000 it's truly accessible, but also to get a better understanding of what's what's 107 00:08:55,279 --> 00:09:02,560 available out there, increase housing affordability, uh address the supply 108 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:06,120 gap, and also raise awareness about housing accessibility. 109 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:16,640 So why why why did we um decide to form the right fit program about almost 10 110 00:09:13,279 --> 00:09:22,320 years ago? Uh that's because we had come to an understanding that wheelchair 111 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:28,720 users were facing um incredible challenges when it came to finding and 112 00:09:25,839 --> 00:09:34,640 securing accessible housing. Uh first of all there's a limited supplies not many 113 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:41,279 accessible affordable housing being u uh available for wheelchair users. Um and 114 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:45,760 then it's it's a time it it takes. So as you know when you're moving into a unit 115 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:50,720 uh it's it's it's quite complex. But when you think about a wheelchair users 116 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:55,680 wanting to move to into an accessible housing unit that's even more uh 117 00:09:53,519 --> 00:10:00,959 complicated. you have to have time to arrange home supports, specialized 118 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:05,680 equipment. So what hasn't meant is that generally when is a scarce accessible 119 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:10,560 unit being available then a wheelchair user would not be able to to compete and 120 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:16,079 get this unit just because of the time it takes. So uh being able to um uh to 121 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:20,640 get the the unit was not possible and what that means is that those wear 122 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:26,240 accessible units are going to people who don't need those accessible features. Uh 123 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:32,560 the other uh added challenge with this um uh with wheelchair users accessible 124 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:36,079 and accessible housing is that up to the right fit until the right fit was 125 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:41,279 created there was no centralized inventory of accessible units for 126 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:46,640 listing accessibility features. So that meant that the units are there but 127 00:10:44,399 --> 00:10:51,200 nobody really knows where they are, what those units are and what kind of 128 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:56,320 features they have. So uh the right fed really uh looked to address this issue 129 00:10:54,079 --> 00:11:04,240 by creating that centralized inventory of accessible units. Next slide please. 130 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:10,480 So um the the right fit is is very much um a partnership model. So we started 131 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:15,839 out in Metro Vancouver 10 years ago and uh DABC oversees and managed the right 132 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:20,240 fit program but we're guided for Metro Vancouver by a steering committee that 133 00:11:18,079 --> 00:11:24,399 provides leadership and expertise to everything we do. So we have a number of 134 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:29,440 member organizations. It includes BC housing uh MSDPR, the health 135 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:35,279 authorities, the city of Vancouver, Spinal Cord Injury BC, Spark BC, and 136 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:38,560 VRS, which is a housing provider. And we're now because we're now expanding 137 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:43,279 into the capital regional district, we're currently forming an advisory 138 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:49,200 committee uh for the CRD to help ensure that we we understand and uh response to 139 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:55,839 the unique needs of the of the region. Next slide, please. Thank you. 140 00:11:51,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Um, so the the the right fit in the CRD, what does that look like in Metro 141 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:06,160 Vancouver? The DABC has been partnering with a a group called the Individualized 142 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:12,800 Funding Resource Center society, what we call the IFRC. The IFRC is a um an 143 00:12:10,639 --> 00:12:17,600 organizations that's led by people with disabilities and and they in in the 144 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:22,160 Vancouver region, they manage the aspect of the peer-led navigation model. and 145 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,959 client intakes and housing placement. I will uh uh go back to that uh what that 146 00:12:24,959 --> 00:12:32,399 intake process and peer-led navigation model looks like. But then the CRD we 147 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:37,200 have we're very proud to have initiated a partnership with the Victoria 148 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:41,360 Disability Resource Center VDRC. and VDRC will help connect the RightFit 149 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:47,120 program with community resources, housing providers, wheelchair users, and 150 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:52,480 um will also help uh strengthen some of our local referral pathways to to 151 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:59,760 support our peer-led navigation model and uh the VDRC will also co-chair our 152 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:05,040 ad advisory committee in in the CRD. Uh I should also mention that uh uh 153 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:10,720 Lindseay our CRD housing coordinator is her office is housed within the office 154 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:16,240 of uh VDRC. Next slide please. 155 00:13:13,519 --> 00:13:21,920 » Uh this is just a bit of a history of our program. Um I I don't need to go in 156 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:27,040 great detail uh into this but we we started in as I mentioned almost 10 157 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:32,800 years ago in 2017. We started as a pilot project to really test the approach of 158 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:37,040 what we wanted to do and then in 2020 we transitioned from being a pilot to uh 159 00:13:34,959 --> 00:13:44,000 being the right fit program and since then we have really become the one-stop 160 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:49,440 uh hub for housing providers, tenants, uh service providers, uh everything uh 161 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:54,480 accessible housing related. Um I must say that we we um there was a research 162 00:13:52,720 --> 00:14:02,000 study that was done a couple years ago by in u in Ontario by university um 163 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:08,000 there and they surveyed and really took a scan of all services existing for 164 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:11,760 accessible housing in in Canada and they identified that the right fit program 165 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:17,519 was the only program in Canada that does what what we do. So we're we're very 166 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:20,480 proud of uh of being uh the model and the reference but at the same time have 167 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:25,440 mixed feelings about the fact that there's no other program like ours in 168 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:29,600 the rest of uh of the country. Um we also now maintains the only existing 169 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:33,680 centralized inventory of accessible units in the lower mainland with the 170 00:14:31,839 --> 00:14:39,440 standardized accessibility checklist tool. I will come back to that. Um and 171 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:44,880 then um I guess our next chapter is 2026. We're now expanding beyond Metro 172 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:48,959 Vancouver and expanding into the capital regional district. So everything that 173 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:54,079 we've done in Metro Vancouver, we're looking to replicate in uh in the CRD, 174 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:59,120 including the development of an inventory of accessible and adaptable 175 00:14:56,160 --> 00:15:02,120 housing for for the CRD. Next slide, please. 176 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Thank you. So I just wanted to talk about our approach, the right fit 177 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:14,320 approach because it's quite quite unique because we operate both on the supply 178 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:19,040 side and the demand side. So we we match our main goal is to match accessible 179 00:15:16,639 --> 00:15:23,120 homes with the right tenants and this is what we call the right fit. We're 180 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:28,560 ensuring the right fit for each unit. Uh we help wheelchair users find homes that 181 00:15:25,199 --> 00:15:35,760 meet their accessibility needs. And what I'd like to say about that is that each 182 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:38,959 unit that we um find um is different. Um they they may not have all full 183 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:44,160 accessibility features. Some of the units might be adaptable universal 184 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:49,199 design. Well, we take a look at all of these units. Uh we we don't just look at 185 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:53,199 fully fully accessible units just because you never know what what will be 186 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:58,160 the right fit to our clients. They might all be wheelchair users, but they have 187 00:15:55,519 --> 00:16:03,839 very diverse needs. So, so we want to make sure we have um a broad supply of 188 00:16:01,839 --> 00:16:08,959 units to be able to match our clients to those units. So, we also help streamline 189 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:13,519 access to home support, services, and equipment. We provide personalized 190 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:18,160 support from intake uh to move in with our dedicated client navigators and we 191 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:22,079 build and maintain that inventory of accessible housing with our checklist. 192 00:16:20,079 --> 00:16:27,440 So, we'll go back to that. Next slide, please. 193 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:32,160 uh our eligibility criteria in terms of uh as a client to come into our program. 194 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:36,880 So applicants for now must be full-time power or manual wheelchair users 195 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:41,440 including using their chair at home where uh in the midst of slightly 196 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:47,120 revising those those criteria but this for now our our criteria and applicants 197 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:51,680 must live in uh uh Vancouver House, Fraser House or now Island Health 198 00:16:48,959 --> 00:16:56,800 authorities. So the full CRD uh geographical scope, so the 30 199 00:16:54,399 --> 00:17:01,759 municipalities as well as the three EAS electoral areas. We have no age 200 00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:06,799 restrictions. We have no income limit or um income requirement and PWD 201 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:09,799 eligibility is not required for for our program. 202 00:17:11,439 --> 00:17:18,160 Um as I mentioned, we have developed over the years a very unique 203 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:22,079 peer-to-peer navigation model. We feel it's very important to provide 204 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:27,280 peer-to-peer support for a person with disability. Um, and the reason for that 205 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:32,320 is the journey to transition into stable, affordable, accessible housing 206 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:38,080 is is very complex and there's a lot of uh challenges. So we we want to make 207 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:43,840 sure we build trust um with our clients and learn about this individual 208 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:47,520 situation so we can successfully help uh wheelchair users living in 209 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:52,480 non-accessible housing make a successful transition into accessible housing. So, 210 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:56,000 we help individuals identify where they want to live, the amenities that are 211 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,840 important to them, the social networks, the kind of neighborhoods they want, but 212 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:04,799 also we're going to be learning about their specific disabilities because, as 213 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:11,520 I mentioned, even though they may all be wheelchair users, they have very 214 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:17,280 different needs um and mobility range. Um, so it's important for us to to 215 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:22,160 capture that. So uh one of the uh clientele we're serving where we have a 216 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:28,080 um in Vancouver at least uh a large number of uh uh families so where the 217 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:32,720 wheelchair user is a child um a young child so the support the supporting 218 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:37,679 individuals are not wheelchair users. So when we look at placing the specific 219 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:42,720 clients into units uh they may not require the full range of accessible uh 220 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:46,880 features but they might prioritize certain features and the size of the 221 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:51,520 units over the accessibility features. This is why it's so important to have a 222 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:57,200 a variety of units to uh uh in our inventory to to be able to match our 223 00:18:53,360 --> 00:19:02,320 clients. Uh next slide please. So a little bit more on that navigation 224 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:07,360 uh model. We uh we we assist Wilshshire users in completing application forms 225 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:12,240 and navigating BC housing applications and all these complicated uh paperwork 226 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:16,080 that they have to uh to go through. We review these available units that we 227 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:20,880 have in our inventory and we match applicants with homes that suits their 228 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:26,480 specific accessibly needs. We help them uh um gather required documents for 229 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:30,240 housing providers. We accompani clients through housing interviews and we 230 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:35,080 provide support uh to the client from the initial intake to the final move in. 231 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:47,280 We also help facilitate home supports uh to in securing traditional home supports 232 00:19:43,679 --> 00:19:52,000 and we also refer clients to uh what we call the CEO program choices in support 233 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:57,280 for independent um living program through the IFRC 234 00:19:54,400 --> 00:20:04,559 and we also help with equipment support. So um often wheelchair users will need 235 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:09,520 uh electric beds, grab bars, some uh uh track ceiling lifts. all sorts of uh 236 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:14,640 specific equipment needs. And so we we and that they need to have in place when 237 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:19,520 they move in, which is why before they can't act couldn't accessible units 238 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:23,360 because the time it takes to to align get everything aligned at the same time. 239 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:29,440 So we help with fasttracking with those processes and we also help facilitate 240 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:35,039 installation of um environmental controls um as well as door openers as 241 00:20:32,559 --> 00:20:38,840 well. So a number of of uh additional assistive technology. 242 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:50,320 So what have we accomplished so far? So we've been in existence since 2017. So 243 00:20:45,919 --> 00:20:52,480 we uh we um uh we um we've updated those numbers. Sorry, there was a note there, 244 00:20:51,719 --> 00:20:57,360 [laughter] but we made 214 successful housing 245 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:04,240 matches since we existed. That's these are the lower mainland uh numbers. And 246 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:09,120 uh we will um we'll hope to to just starting now in the CRD. So uh so we'll 247 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:14,400 be starting matching clients and finding accessible housing now. Um and what I 248 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:21,440 will just say on this slide is that we're very proud to have uh made that 249 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:26,480 many matches so far. Um but we also have uh prevented a significant numbers of 250 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:33,600 individuals from becoming homeless. So homeless uh prevention is a um very much 251 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:38,799 a focus of our work and so we uh we really uh are very proactive and and 252 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:44,159 work with u uh the homelessness sector to to really support individuals um uh 253 00:21:41,919 --> 00:21:49,760 that are on the ver at imminent risk of homeless or being homeless to transition 254 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:53,280 into accessible housing. Uh next slide please. 255 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:58,400 » Yeah. So, and now I'm going to pass it on to Lindsay who's going to tell you a 256 00:21:56,159 --> 00:22:03,120 bit more about the what we do on the housing provider side. Thank you. 257 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:08,000 » Yeah. So, in addition to supporting the clients, we also support local housing 258 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:14,480 providers. So, we work directly with housing providers to help um identify 259 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:19,679 suitable tenants for them by comparing their accessible unit against our client 260 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:23,919 intake, which allows us to simplify the matching process for them and and take a 261 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:28,640 little bit of work off their hands. So when we a housing provider reaches out 262 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:32,640 to us or we reach out to them and they mention that they have an accessible 263 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:38,320 unit, we'll coordinate completing our DAPC accessibility checklist and 264 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:44,320 maintain an inventory of those units. So we overall off uh serve as a resource 265 00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:47,760 for housing providers by both um helping them learn a little bit more about 266 00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:52,880 accessibility through our checklist and then also helping them find the right 267 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:58,000 tenant for them and support them through the process of that tenant application. 268 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:02,240 So I'll go a little bit into our checklist, but the ultimate goal is to 269 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:07,919 better understand the supply and create a more detailed inventory of the 270 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:13,440 accessible unit supply. So when we go to a unit that may look like the one in 271 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:18,559 this picture, we create a detailed account of the unit. So we'll measure 272 00:23:15,679 --> 00:23:24,400 the turning radius and counter heights, uh the space for kitchen knee or uh knee 273 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:29,760 cutouts under kitchen sinks and stoves where um outlets are located. It will 274 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:36,080 also list the building amenities and neighborhood amenities and then also 275 00:23:31,919 --> 00:23:42,039 track more standard uh apartment things such as pet policies and smoking 276 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,039 policies. 277 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:49,280 And then so the checklist ultimately yeah provides a detailed account of the 278 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:54,080 unit and its accessibility features. And then we can go through our client 279 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:58,159 database and find the right fit um client for that unit because we have 280 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:02,559 detailed intake of both the unit and the client. And then once we have identified 281 00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:06,640 a match, we will pass the client information to the housing provider 282 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:12,480 because that allows them to retain full control over uh selecting their tenant 283 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:18,240 um and still giving them uh agency in doing that as well. But we do still 284 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:21,840 support through the application process. And overall, yeah, the tool the 285 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,279 checklist acts as a tool for improving accessibility. I've already found from 286 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:30,159 doing a few of these checklists in the CRD, uh, completing the checklist allows 287 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:34,720 myself and the housing provider to have a more detailed conversation about 288 00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:38,559 accessibility. And I learn things based on their experience and they learn 289 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:42,000 things based on our experience. And I think it uh just creates a good 290 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:46,799 conversation around what true accessibility looks like within a part 291 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:50,559 in an apartment or a home. And yeah, we can also work with them to 292 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:54,559 adapt and modify units. And then hopefully like in the Lower Mainland, 293 00:24:52,400 --> 00:25:00,360 the CRD, we can create a centralized inventory of accessible units for for 294 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,360 wheelchair users 295 00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:11,360 and I'll pass it back to Isabelle. >> Uh thank you, Lind. Yes. So overall 296 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:16,240 really I mean this the RightFair program is very much a multi-dimensional 297 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:21,039 uh program, but we we're also looking to really build knowledge uh on accessible 298 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:26,960 housing. there's a so much different definitions out there and it's an 299 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:34,080 evolving uh um conversation. So we uh we we feel that beyond matching uh clients 300 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:37,279 to uh to accessible units, we we feel it's within our mandate to educate 301 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:43,840 stakeholders on the importance of accessible housing, inclusive design and 302 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:47,919 the impact. Um, we also want to build awareness and partnerships by really 303 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:53,200 showcasing the program's benefits and encouraing encouraging collaboration 304 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:57,600 around the housing sector. Um, promote accessible housing solutions and also 305 00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:05,600 gain insights to inform program improvements. Um, next I I should 306 00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:11,919 mention as well that we as part of our uh learning and and and sharing what 307 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:16,320 what we um uh the work we do and the gaps in accessible housing and and 308 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:21,840 informing that conversation. We undertake um a survey of our place 309 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:27,840 clients. So after a client is placed after 6 months 6 months mark we will go 310 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:33,600 in and visit them into the home where we've placed them and we will uh uh do 311 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:39,679 an inerson survey about uh the the impact of the program uh but also we 312 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:45,360 will uh uh look at better understanding uh whether what what what has changed in 313 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,799 their in their lives after they've been placed. So, has their physical health 314 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:54,720 improved? Has their sense of independence improved? Um, has their 315 00:26:52,159 --> 00:27:00,720 community integration better? So, we're looking at those key quality of life 316 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:06,400 indicators, but we're also looking at how well the unit we've been placed them 317 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:11,919 into is is doing. Are there are they able to now navigate their new home 318 00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:16,320 safely or are do they still have some challenges? And what are those 319 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:22,000 challenges? And that is incredibly useful information for us because that 320 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:27,120 ultimately will allow us to take that back to uh the housing sector and 321 00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:32,480 planning departments and and just say hey we we find that all new buildings uh 322 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:37,440 uh accessible units within those buildings say um half of those don't 323 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:42,240 have door openers and and we see that as a gap for example. So we can make 324 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:46,960 further recommendations on on to how to improve accessibility features within uh 325 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:53,039 within those units and the buildings where we place uh wheelchair users. Uh 326 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:57,120 next slide. Yes. So I mean that was a bit of a 327 00:27:54,880 --> 00:28:00,720 really short version there of uh everything we do. There's a lot more. So 328 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:05,360 what I want to say though is that we're we're very excited to finally be 329 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:10,720 expanding into the CRD. We know there's a huge need there and and we're really 330 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:15,039 looking forward to to working with with you all in in terms of building our 331 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:21,360 inventory of accessible and adaptable units uh connecting with um with 332 00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:26,080 organizations and overall really forming uh local uh relationships and 333 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:31,360 partnerships to to really support wheelchair users uh transition into into 334 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:36,240 um units that that meet their needs. So, we'll we'll have you have our contact 335 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:40,000 information there. Um um if you want to learn more, we have a website and uh 336 00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:43,679 social media. We're in the process of updating our website now with all the 337 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:49,760 information about what we're doing in the CRD. Uh so, I'll stop here and if 338 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:53,520 you have questions for us, we we'd love to have a conversation. 339 00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:56,960 Thank you very much. >> Thank you. 340 00:28:55,200 --> 00:29:01,440 » Presentation, we're we're thrilled that you've come across the pond to uh 341 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:04,559 Vancouver Island. That's great. Any questions from committee members? 342 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:09,840 Councelor O'Keefe. >> Yes. Um, councelor uh, Cherry O'Keefe, 343 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:14,399 thank you for the presentation. I'm really excited that you're here on the 344 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:18,799 island. I had talked to um, the folks running your program in Vancouver a 345 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:23,600 couple years ago and I think we had a discussion at this committee about that 346 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:30,640 and how we could uh, get an inventory. So, great to have you here. Um, what I'm 347 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:36,960 wondering is, so in town of Sydney anyways, I'm not sure about other 348 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:42,640 municipalities, we uh require developers of new buildings to make 20% of the 349 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:49,360 units adaptable. And the thing that I've kind of 350 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:54,720 struggled with is that we haven't we they make these adaptable but as you 351 00:29:51,520 --> 00:30:01,760 said uh I don't think very many of them go to people who actually need them. So, 352 00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:09,679 how have have you had any discussion or any ideas about how um we would be 353 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:14,480 whether it would be you or the town communicating with the the builders of 354 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:20,559 these new units um to get them into your inventory? Any 355 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:24,320 ideas how you you might see that working? 356 00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:29,360 It's such a great question and I do remember us connecting um two or three 357 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:33,520 years ago and having this conversation. Yeah, it was with me. So I'm really 358 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:36,960 thrilled actually to pursue this conversation because we had such a 359 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:42,480 productive conversation and you had shared back then with us that you know 360 00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:49,840 exactly what you just said the challenge of of a having these units being built 361 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:54,320 but having no handle over what what's happening after they being built. Are 362 00:30:51,679 --> 00:31:00,320 they actually going to uh to the people who need them the most? And and this is 363 00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:06,159 really a gap that we're have identified. It's true of the lower mainland as well 364 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:10,480 is that you know we have these grid units that are coming onto the market 365 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:14,320 now. Uh but we have no way of knowing whether those units are going to the 366 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:19,840 people who need them. And as a result, you sort of if they don't, you're sort 367 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:25,039 of self perpetuating the the problem there because our weight lists of people 368 00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:29,840 waiting for accessible units continue to grow and the accessible units are being 369 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,080 built, but they invariably goes to people who just don't need those 370 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:39,120 features and and sadly will once they're in the unit, they will actually revert. 371 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:43,760 they will convert those features into something that fit their needs that are 372 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:50,480 have nothing to do with accessibility. So um the way to address that I mean of 373 00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:56,552 course I mean our advocacy part is to really would would be great to require 374 00:31:53,039 --> 00:32:00,240 more um accountability [clears throat] on the post occupancy on 375 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,960 the occupancy of these units so that it goes to the people who need that you 376 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:08,720 know so there's some bit of accountability on on how these units are 377 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:14,640 being filled but the best way is to work with these housing providers or 378 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:18,960 developers and and get them to connect with us really and and I don't know I 379 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:24,640 mean in terms of requirements and whether you're able to require them to 380 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:30,000 to do this but the the ideal scenario is that they reach out to the right fit and 381 00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:35,200 say okay we have all these units can you help us fill them with with people who 382 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:40,640 need uh those units and we'll do that we'll do the the matching I mean we'll 383 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:46,480 we'll help with that um or we can um you can give us a list as well of these 384 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:51,360 units and who build them and we can um contact the developers the housing 385 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:55,679 providers ourselves and uh and LIN say will do that she'll she'll go and visit 386 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,960 the units she'll uh she'll take notes of all the accessibility feature or 387 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:03,360 adaptable features that'll make it to the our inventory and then we can start 388 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:08,480 the process of matching. So uh so either way it can be uh initiated by the 389 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:13,039 housing providers themselves or if you give them all the the lists we can uh 390 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:17,919 initiate contacts ourselves with the housing providers. 391 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:24,799 Have you had any discussions with the real estate associations or of the urban 392 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:33,519 development institution or or institute um in ter which represents developers or 393 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:39,919 or people selling or these kind of units um or rental agencies to 394 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:46,399 you know have some sort of designation on the listings um for accessibility. 395 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:49,679 Is that something that's being considered? 396 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:56,559 » Yes. Yes, we're Yeah, we have had we we've reached out to the U UDI, I think. 397 00:33:53,279 --> 00:34:01,279 Is it? Yeah. The Yeah. And then uh the the real estate association. We we're 398 00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:09,040 look we're we're in the rental market more than um than units that are meant 399 00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:15,599 to be sold. Uh but certainly we uh yeah we we support renters um rather than um 400 00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:20,000 uh people who are looking to to to to purchase units. Uh but yes, we've had 401 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,320 this conversation that's part of the odd ridge. So in Vancouver we have um an 402 00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:30,480 accessible housing coordinator and she'll contact um the all the groups uh 403 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,800 including the the co-ops as well association. We actually did a 404 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:39,200 presentation in the CRD with a a co-op um a me a group um a number of members 405 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:44,720 of of co-ops as well to let them know about our program. So we'll really 406 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:50,079 encourage um all these players, the developers, the housing providers, the 407 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:54,960 nonprofit association of um housing providers, all of these to to connect 408 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:59,119 with us and let us know about the units they have um so we can educate them 409 00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:01,974 about that. Yeah, absolutely. >> Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] 410 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:07,760 And I presume property management companies would be part of that list. 411 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:11,200 » Absolutely. Yeah. >> Yeah. 412 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,480 » So we're really looking to build those connection in the CR because this is 413 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:19,440 what we've done in the in the lower mainland but in the CR we're just 414 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:25,040 building that. So it will be fantastic if you know um uh offline lean sick can 415 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,839 have a further conversation with you on how you can facilitate those those 416 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:36,000 contacts uh with those developers that do um that are required to build those 417 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:39,909 uh 20% of adaptable units. So we we get our hands on this unit and can follow 418 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,640 through. [clears throat] 419 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:47,920 » Councelor Newton, you had a question. >> Uh yeah, thank you chair. 420 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:53,440 I think you might have answered my question with that last comment, but I 421 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:58,640 guess um when when the applications come forward 422 00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:04,480 to the municipalities, uh how is it like obviously 423 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:07,520 they're identified in the building plans when it comes forward for the 424 00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:12,400 application, but is there a flag or something to follow through to that 425 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:16,079 follow-up about which specific units have the features that are 426 00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:21,440 required and How is that related? I've been super excited about this inventory 427 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,560 being coming on stream for the CRD and you know I know councelor O'Keefe talked 428 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:29,280 about this before but >> um I guess how how is the follow through 429 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:34,000 about once communities require accessible or adaptable units how are 430 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,440 they identified and does that then get to you for that information purposes? 431 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:43,680 » Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is so I guess what you're describing is that when 432 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:47,680 you're you're doing the application review, if I understand you correctly, 433 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:53,119 you review this application and then you ask those developers to say 20% of these 434 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:58,960 units need to be adoptable, right? So, is that what you're you're doing? And 435 00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:03,680 then okay, so what's what's your process? I mean, I'm sorry I'm answering 436 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:10,160 your question by asking you a question, but how what what happens from that 437 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:14,560 point? Do you do you just um uh they say okay yeah we'll be the 20%. Do you have 438 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:19,440 any kind of followup or you have nothing at that point or you just Yeah. How what 439 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:24,560 happens on your end of things? >> Sure. That's probably a a gap. 440 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:29,040 » I think I'm gonna throw our director of planning on the spot here and give him a 441 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:33,599 moment to collect his thought. Uh but it's I should have identified a score 442 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:36,160 » with the district of central sanage and our requirements are a bit different 443 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:41,599 than Sydney's but >> we still do have some uh so I guess I'd 444 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:45,680 be curious about how going forward to identify the specific units within an 445 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,400 application to come forward and then my follow-up question is around the changes 446 00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:55,440 to the VC building code >> um does that improve things to make all 447 00:37:52,640 --> 00:38:02,079 of them accessible or adaptable or not but the first question is just how to 448 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:04,800 identify once the units are prescribed. Where's the follow through to identify 449 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,320 them >> to the public? 450 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:14,320 » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is the the gap would been exactly trying to address 451 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:22,480 in in the lower mainland is that there is this allocated number of units. And 452 00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:30,240 then what we want to do is is really um uh get in touch early on with um the 453 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:34,800 developer the and then know okay we and get in touch with them directly and then 454 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:40,400 let us know okay we have these 20 units coming up will you help them fill them 455 00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:45,920 with with um wheelchair users essentially so so we we're getting some 456 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:50,400 lists from municipalities essentially the individual municipalities 457 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,160 They let us know, okay, we we know we have this developer, we have this 458 00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:01,280 building coming up, this new building. Um we have allocated that many units and 459 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:07,839 then they pass on the information for the um the contact person essentially 460 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:11,599 and then we follow up directly with um with the the the the housing 461 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:16,400 representative there uh and then ask them about their their available units 462 00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:19,440 and then um and then we visit them. sometimes they're still under 463 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:23,920 construction somehow and then that's when they those units make it to our 464 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:29,680 inventory. So, so we're we're the ones trying to to get a handle of of those 465 00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:35,040 actual units, know what building which buildings they are, know the square 466 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:40,240 footage, how many and then um get this information all collected in our 467 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:45,200 inventory so that we can we can match essentially uh those units to to people 468 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:50,960 who need them. So uh so essentially it will um uh it'll come but it has to be a 469 00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:55,200 collaboration. So that's why we're doing exactly this presentation today is with 470 00:39:52,800 --> 00:40:00,800 the hope that we can work together and NI will follow up but you you can help 471 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:04,800 us identify uh these um these projects essentially early on so we can we can 472 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,160 make that happen. >> Okay. So then there's a followup and I'm 473 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:12,960 going to now go to the director of planning for central Sanch and say is 474 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:16,480 there a way to liaz with an organization like this about once we get the 475 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:22,160 application come forward and say we've got you know 32 units or 11 units or 476 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:25,839 whatever it happens to be um to share that information with as part of sort of 477 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:30,400 building the inventory. >> Exactly. Yeah. There there there is 478 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:36,320 certainly that would be we could build that into our um application sort of 479 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:40,320 completionism. Um one thing we do is we share something 480 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:46,160 with the CRD. We share a lot of housing data all the CRD. So a CRD could 481 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:51,680 potentially be an avenue if every municipality has a similar um structure 482 00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:56,520 because they do set housing 483 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520 and 484 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:03,920 the thought occurred to me as we're as we're having this conversation. So 485 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:07,520 everyone is valid in the province housing information to the province. You 486 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:11,680 have to do your housing targets and reporting that every year our course 487 00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:17,359 council next week >> that would be an ideal avenue if the 488 00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:21,520 province wanted to take a role. But um you take a role and that being a 489 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,839 component of that how many access 490 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,760 the entire profits for this it's not on their radar that's not something they 491 00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:41,040 collect affordable housing supporting number of rental units number of number 492 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:44,880 of units overall guess the level of bedrooms but it 493 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:49,920 doesn't touch on adaptability or accessibility 494 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:55,440 MI could easily be added and wide and very accessible 495 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:58,560 but that's that's just that thought it's not in place so I think there would need 496 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,800 to be quite a bit of work done individually I think the challenge with 497 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,240 doing it individually though is it's at I guess it is at there's no requirement 498 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:10,720 for municipalities to report that information right now so the province 499 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:14,880 could put that in place and second report it differently some could do it 500 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:20,160 some couldn't so see it be really challenging 501 00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:23,839 um to be comprehensive on it. You might get some municipalities doing it, some 502 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,240 not. So that's a challenge. >> Sure. 503 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:33,359 » That seems to be something that could be advocated at UBCM for something like 504 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:37,040 that. But um in the meantime for the local governments and certainly the the 505 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:42,079 great work that's being done on the peninsula, uh it would be relatively 506 00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:47,839 easy to share that information. And I think your point to the CRD is and we 507 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:52,400 have a representative um here about that. So to collect that data centrally 508 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:56,560 and try to minimize like you know maybe all of the work that's done locally but 509 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:59,920 to to coordinate that centrally at least from the CRD perspective if this is also 510 00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:04,400 a CRD initiative >> that makes the most 511 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:09,040 » yeah we are um >> we are working or in communication with 512 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:15,200 the CRD at the moment too to do a similar presentation at their next A uh 513 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:19,440 meeting which I believe is in the fall. So maybe I'll just make a note to sort 514 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:24,440 of circle back to that idea when when we do get the chance to speak with their 515 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,440 committee. 516 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:31,760 » Yeah. I mean to your point to um I mean you were cutting out on that uh previous 517 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:38,079 uh point uh so I didn't get the full gist but I think there's a point there 518 00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:43,119 for systematic advocacy there you know for sure for having these requirements. 519 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:48,800 Um right now we um we we really very much 520 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:53,200 rely on these local collaborations you know. So for Vancouver for the Metro 521 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:57,200 Vancouver we go to the city of Vancouver we have a partnership where they will 522 00:43:55,200 --> 00:44:01,520 give us the access to this information and so we we we collect the data we meet 523 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:06,079 with the housing providers we visit the units and we have this inventory. Uh 524 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:09,760 same we go that for each municipality Richmond Kquidlam and all of this. So 525 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:14,960 it's really at those individual municipality level and there's no 526 00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:19,839 requirements. Uh but it's much needed to have something more comprehensive 527 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:27,119 consistent and and I think pro provincewide uh for for have capturing 528 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:31,599 this data but but I yeah so you noted and I think engaging in systematic 529 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:36,880 advocacy to make those changes is really needed. So yeah 530 00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:40,960 » Mr. Nukem >> thank you. Um, Cory Nukem, I'm the 531 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:47,800 director of community planning for the Town Sydney. Um, I was just thinking 532 00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:47,800 about our internal processes. 533 00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:56,160 » Yeah. >> Um, thinking about our internal 534 00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:01,280 processes. So when we get a set of plans that has 20% of the units identified as 535 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,800 adaptable, I mean sometimes they don't and we have to go back to the developer 536 00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:09,680 and inform them that they're missing something, but uh generally we get those 537 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:14,160 plans, we confirm that it meets the requirements for adaptable housing and 538 00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:19,680 our zoning bylaw and then it goes on process. Um, initially when we get those 539 00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:23,680 plans, quite often the the units have a bit of like an interim 540 00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:29,280 identification like they might just be labeled 1 2 3 4 5 uh or maybe 101 102 or 541 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:34,960 ABCD. Um later on in the process after the 542 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:41,920 building has been approved by council, we go through a Canada Post addressing 543 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:45,920 process that applies the actual unit official unit numbers and address that 544 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:51,440 Canada Post would use and that the building that itself would use. Um so 545 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:56,720 unit 101 102 or whatever it might be. There's a bit of a gap because the that 546 00:45:54,400 --> 00:46:02,160 addressing process doesn't happen until much later in the process. And so 547 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:05,440 getting those numbers correct uh can be a bit tricky sometimes because they do 548 00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:12,160 change between the initial plan submission and the addressing. Um, my 549 00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:17,280 question for you is, does the right fit program have its own form 550 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:20,800 to collect information on these potential buildings? And is that 551 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,640 something that you could provide to municipalities? 552 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:29,839 So, you're collecting a standardized set of information that you know works for 553 00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:34,400 you. And again thinking about our own processes, we have uh tasks that we you 554 00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:38,560 know check off as completed in our system and we could potentially make a 555 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:43,040 task that is you know fill out the right fit information form on the adaptable 556 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,640 units or whatever information you want on the building and send that off to an 557 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,839 email that could include the developer contact info. Um, so you can see what 558 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,520 provided, what the tenure is, whether it's rental or ownership, and then you 559 00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:58,800 could contact that builder directly and say, you know, we've got 560 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,480 » we see you've got these units and it's rental building and we're we're 561 00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:07,119 interested in in matching up before you put it out to market. So, uh, a form 562 00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:10,880 like would be very helpful so that we could sort of rather than guessing at 563 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:14,720 the information that's required, we could just fill it out, send it off, and 564 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:20,319 you could add it to your database. So, just a thought there. Thanks. Uh yeah 565 00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:25,520 and thank you for um outlining your process. So just a followup to that is 566 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,079 and I'm mindful of your time. I know you have a lot to discuss on your agenda and 567 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:35,440 I think almost deserves its own meeting really to really discuss about how how 568 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:41,040 we can make that work in in practice. Um but so when you you receive this do you 569 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:48,560 um when you have let's say six units that are adaptable for a specific 570 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:52,560 building um do you you do you don't collect any further information you have 571 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:57,760 the addresses and then that's it right that's all there is in your system 572 00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:04,240 essentially at this point right correct >> uh as far as the adaptable information 573 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:09,359 adaptable unit specific information goes We don't even know right now. We don't 574 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:14,160 know the units that adaptable units are going to be within the building. 575 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:18,640 » We just make sure plan for each unit meets the zone by requirement or space 576 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,920 the whatever. >> So we don't we don't actually record 577 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:26,160 where they are in the building >> where they are in the building. Okay. 578 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:30,720 Okay. But you know there's a Yeah. Um, and the form that you're thinking 579 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:35,200 for for the right fit is that um, essentially requiring the the developers 580 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:40,000 to fill out the the form. So, and then it's added to our inventory. That that's 581 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:43,440 what you're thinking about, right? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, I mean I honestly I 582 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:48,240 think >> municipal might be better positioned to 583 00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:52,480 fill that out because if we're assigning addresses and you want to know what the 584 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:58,480 official address of that unit is with the building, um asking the developer to 585 00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:02,880 provide that information might be a bit of a tall task and it also doesn't 586 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:07,920 happen until much later in the process. And also staff, municipal staff are the 587 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:11,440 ones that coordinate that addressing. So it it might just be easier to have a 588 00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:17,839 planner who's reviewing the file fill that stuff out if it's not too complex. 589 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:24,880 » Yeah. So right now the way we we we work when we get um word of um a new a new 590 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:30,880 building or units becoming available um early on uh our accessibility um 591 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:36,400 coordinator will will make contact um with the developer and then we'll go do 592 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:41,440 an site a site visit an actual uh in-person site visit uh with a 593 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:49,760 standardized uh accessibility checklist essentially. So, so this is something 594 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:54,559 that we we fill out uh and we sort of um we have measured the like Alin say 595 00:49:52,880 --> 00:50:00,160 mentioned the turning radius and all these things. So, it's it's gives us a 596 00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:05,359 really a good um detailed information of what what this unit has to offer and 597 00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:13,440 this this is where it makes it to our inventory. So, so ideally, uh, we we 598 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:18,640 would want those developers to, um, to be, you know, as part of your process to 599 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:24,559 be required to, um, to essentially make contact with us or and so and to be open 600 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:29,040 to having us visit the unit and record all that information. Is that is that 601 00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:31,920 something that we could do perhaps, you think? 602 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:38,240 » Well, we could certainly provide you with the developers contact. Sure. 603 00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:42,720 Um and then we can circle back and give you access. One of the thing we want to 604 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:48,559 do is right now the our inventory of units is uh is really in nature more 605 00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:52,880 internal. It allows us to match clients according to their preferences and 606 00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:58,000 number of criteria but eventually we'd want to add a functionality which allows 607 00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:03,440 to provide reports of all the accessibility features of the units and 608 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:06,480 what what we're discovering. So uh um so and share that back with the 609 00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:13,119 municipalities and on on the building information and all that. So um so yeah 610 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:19,200 » u got a couple more questions from the community. So if we can go to those. 611 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:23,280 » Yeah. No [laughter] lots of question. >> Hi I'm Charlene. I'm member of the 612 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:28,480 committee. Uh I don't know whether this is you're talking about rental units. Is 613 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:33,200 there any way of of having um like private homes that may be rental homes 614 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:37,920 in there? Because one of the things I've come up against with people that I know 615 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:42,880 is a lot of these adaptable units that are being planned in in uh apartment 616 00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:46,880 buildings or condos, they typically are one-bedroom 617 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:52,880 places. So, they they accommodate one person. Um people with disabilities have 618 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:57,200 families, so they sometimes live in an apartment building. They want a home. 619 00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:03,599 want a suite. Is there any way of inventorying or or does this just become 620 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:08,880 too cumbersome to to say we want um some people want homes, they don't 621 00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:14,960 necessarily want um condominiums or any is there any any recourse on that? 622 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:19,440 » Um rental. Oh, that is such a great question. I love it. Um thank you for 623 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:24,880 absolutely one of the thing we find is that we have will you're so right in 624 00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:29,119 saying wheelchair users have uh families and don't just require onebedroom unit. 625 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:35,680 This is one of our points of ad systematic uh advocacy is that we find 626 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:41,599 in those um uh buildings, new buildings, there's an disproportionate number of 627 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:47,200 one-bedroom accessible units which means that we're unable to place um wheelchair 628 00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:51,200 users with family and household size where they have two, three, four 629 00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:55,680 children and they require twobedroom, threebedroom, fourbedroom. Sometimes 630 00:52:53,040 --> 00:53:00,480 they maybe one person or two people they require two-bedroom unit to to have a 631 00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:05,040 living caregiver all sorts of things situations. So larger units is 632 00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:09,599 definitely something we're we're after. And in terms of housing type, um, 633 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:14,160 interestingly enough, a lot what we found from our surveys is a lot of our 634 00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:18,480 wheelchair users, uh, that we place, they were previously coming from 635 00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:23,599 nonaccessible homes with stairs and everything, but 636 00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:30,000 they were often like single family housing, basement suites, um, and then 637 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:35,680 we move them into this um, high-rise building. Uh, but it's it not doesn't 638 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:41,760 always work. And so we're really looking to include and diversify the the housing 639 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:48,000 types that that we have. So we'd be definitely looking at rental homes or 640 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:52,880 garden suites or um private owners wanting to rent out an adapt something 641 00:53:51,040 --> 00:54:00,240 that they've retrofitted to make it adaptable. Um absolutely. So uh is there 642 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:05,440 it's it's not easy to identify that supply to be honest. Uh but if there's 643 00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:11,280 any way to work together to add that that would be very helpful because we we 644 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:17,040 know that by doing this we'll be able to find units that are larger in size and 645 00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:22,319 also we'll in terms of the housing type that will perhaps match better what what 646 00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:25,359 our clients want actually in terms of living situations. 647 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:29,200 » Thank you. >> Hey councelor O'Keefe. 648 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:33,440 » Um so just a couple on this last topic. So in terms of number of onebedroom, two 649 00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:38,960 bedrooms, three bedrooms, that's something within the municipality's 650 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:46,800 perview that we can uh we we can do that. So um we can we we say that they 651 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:53,119 have to provide 20% and we could say that that 20% has to be allocated 652 00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:57,920 equally or on a prata basis one, two and threebedroom units. So, um, but in the 653 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:03,680 interest of moving this along, I know we we could spend a lot of time on this, 654 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:11,599 um, that I would I'm going to try a motion here, um, which is that, uh, the 655 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:15,599 committee recommends that the three the planning departments of the three 656 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:20,880 municipalities work together 657 00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:26,800 to develop a process to identify adaptable and accessible 658 00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:30,880 units to forward to the right fit program. 659 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:34,160 » Great. >> Uh yeah, I'll second. I was just saying 660 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:39,520 » Oh, okay. >> I'll second 661 00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:46,880 » and I looking to our our planning folks. Uh just kind of listening to some of I 662 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:54,640 think what Mr. Nukem was saying in terms of what I would just see the simplest 663 00:55:51,119 --> 00:56:04,079 process possible would be we would could perhaps add a step into our process. um 664 00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:09,760 where we give the developer the contact information to the right fit people and 665 00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:16,240 say we'd like you as part of the process to contact them and and uh tell them 666 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:22,799 about your adaptable units and kind of like hand it off to them rather than 667 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:28,880 staff having to have any significant role in that. So 668 00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:36,400 if that's if if you think that makes sense or if you think that um uh 669 00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,839 » yeah I mean uh it could go either way. We could provide uh the developer 670 00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:46,079 contact info to right fit right contact info to the developer. I would think the 671 00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:49,920 former would probably be more successful. 672 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:53,040 Yeah. >> Busy. So, 673 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:56,160 » okay. >> I guess it gives you both. 674 00:56:55,119 --> 00:57:01,440 » Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, 675 00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:08,440 » can I ask a quick Can I ask a quick question? Sorry to interrupt. 676 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,440 » Sorry. 677 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:15,200 » Sorry. Question. >> Yeah. And then I think we've talked a 678 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:19,599 lot about the rental side of it, but I think this is also like the market side 679 00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:24,319 of it. And so I'm assuming when this would come forward and for consideration 680 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:29,040 that it would be for any sort of applicant that would whether it's a a 681 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:32,880 car or >> multif family or a town home that 682 00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:39,200 whatever component is required whether it's rental or that this is what would 683 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:44,160 be reported out on so that it >> in in Sydney's case we only require 684 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:47,440 adaptable units on uh multi-unit residential buildings so like carriage 685 00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:51,920 homes don't they're not to provide those 686 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:55,280 features. Uh that's something we could consider in the future, but in Sydney's 687 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,720 case, >> the code's the same. It only applies to 688 00:57:56,799 --> 00:58:02,720 those larger multif family buildings, not not individual units like a 689 00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:07,520 » right. >> But if it was a development that came 690 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:11,839 forward and I could think of one in central Sanage where there was one like 691 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:19,440 a single family that was required to have I think 692 00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:23,680 moment but for market that that could be identified in the future. 693 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:27,680 » Okay. What sort of council through a variance process requires some adaptable 694 00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:33,280 future? >> Yeah, sure. And I would echo councelor 695 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:37,119 O'Keefe's comment that this hopefully is not a main work project for staff and I 696 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:42,000 think hearing from the two individuals that this is relatively simple, but I'm 697 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:45,119 trying to download this onto municipal staff is not really what I'm interested 698 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:48,400 in doing. >> Yeah, same. 699 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:53,760 » It's not it's it's more of a systems advice than just value. 700 00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,240 I I do believe that absolutely what I mentioned earlier having it at the 701 00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:01,359 provincial level is the best case scenario because it's a requirement 702 00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:05,480 right so it's it's just the longevity of it system 703 00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:11,440 » a robust system in place is it going to continue that way that's that's the 704 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:16,920 challenge unless it's required legislation by law it's required 705 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,200 okay any other discussion on the motion 706 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,599 If not, um, entertain a a vote then. All in favor of the motion. 707 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:34,400 Carried. So, do you have one more comment before 708 00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,480 you go, Isabelle? >> Oh, yeah. The the question and thank you 709 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:43,119 for for supporting this and this very incredibly useful conversation and also 710 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,960 thoughtful questions. Really appreciate it and very inspired by the level of 711 00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:51,680 interest. So, thank you for for having us and uh giving this opportunity to 712 00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:54,720 work together. So, two quick questions. I'm I'm just curious about the makeup on 713 00:59:53,440 --> 01:00:00,799 the onebedroom, two bedroom, threebedroom in your 20% allocation. Do 714 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:05,920 you actually go to the level of Yeah, >> I think the the we've we forwarded the 715 01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:10,640 motion. I think if there's specific questions on the I think getting into 716 01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:15,200 those details, we could discuss when our staff get the opportunity to this. 717 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:19,839 » Sure. Yeah. because I got a number of questions on on you know allocation and 718 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:24,640 things like that but I agree and so would that be okay for us to to to 719 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:29,200 contact you back and then have this maybe a separate conversation because I 720 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:33,920 think we'll need to do that >> based program be more fully developed 721 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,640 later on we certainly invite you back u you know when you've got that ready to 722 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:41,920 go >> okay perfect 723 01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:47,200 » thank you and yeah please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any questions Z 724 01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:51,280 want to just set up a time to chat. >> Great. 725 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:55,280 » Thank you. >> Okay, next item on the agenda is 726 01:00:53,040 --> 01:01:01,200 accessibility plan. Has there been any uh changes to anybody's accessibility 727 01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:07,400 plans since last meeting? Seeing none, 728 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,400 um council referrals. 729 01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:14,000 I don't see anything specific under there. No. 730 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:19,760 Council [clears throat] updates. uh the tracking sheet 731 01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:27,040 I think. Um yes, councelor O'Keefe. >> Oh, I have some updates from Sydney. Um 732 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:30,960 so on the the tracking sheet talks about recommendations that have been put 733 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:36,079 forward. So just some of the things that's being dealt with. Um there was 734 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:43,440 the um the committee had a resolution about tactile markings at the at 735 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:48,720 intersections and um staff So we brought that to to staff's attention and they 736 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:53,920 note that they do conform to the master municipal construction documents for 737 01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:58,640 tactile markings and they could provide a copy of that just back if we wish. Um, 738 01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:03,040 subsequent to that, in regard to the tactile markings at Beacon and Highway 739 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:07,040 17, which was discussed at the committee, council made a resolution to 740 01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:11,599 send a letter to the Ministry of Transportation and Transit expressing 741 01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:17,119 concern about the misalignment of the tactile markings. That was sent about I 742 01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:22,319 think a month ago and we still have had not any response. However, I understand 743 01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:29,119 from the community member who brought that forward that MOOTT is coming out in 744 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:34,319 August 6th um to review the intersection in more detail with a representative 745 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:40,960 from the CNIB. So, we hope to hear more after that. Um, in regards to the 746 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:46,240 recommendation about the municipalities um, communicating to the airport 747 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:51,359 authority about accessibility concerns, um, I think there's a letter you can see 748 01:02:48,480 --> 01:03:00,079 in the agenda package. So, um, that's been covered off as well. Um, accessible 749 01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:05,359 parking awareness. uh we asked our staff to highlight an information campaign 750 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:10,160 onto the business community regarding best practices for accessible parking. 751 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:15,760 So that will happen in November. And then I'll just also report that on 752 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:22,318 Canada Days um in response to recommendations by this committee uh the 753 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:26,000 uh viewing areas for the fireworks [clears throat] and the Canada Day 754 01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:33,280 parade were expanded accessible viewing areas and additional parking um as as 755 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:39,599 well. So I think that all went well, but if there's members of the committee who 756 01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:45,599 participated in Canada Day in Sydney and used those accessible uh areas, um we'd 757 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:48,799 be receptive to comments on that. >> Charlene, did you have a 758 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:53,440 » Yeah, I just wanted to say I I didn't attend the events. I broke my leg so I 759 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:58,720 did not go anywhere. Um, but I have heard from multiple community people 760 01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:04,480 that they were extremely pleased with the ex extra accessible viewing uh the 761 01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:08,319 accessible parking. I've talked to many people who are thrilled about the 762 01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:12,400 accessible parking spot that was added by the the band shell down there. Like 763 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:17,440 so I'm getting I'm starting to get a lot of feedback from other community members 764 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:21,680 coming to me. They're noticing the the differences and the changes and they're 765 01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:26,799 they're really pleased with it. Um, Gar Homer is bringing people down regularly. 766 01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:32,319 Um, so I just want to say kudos to to Sydney. Like it's it is being noticed. 767 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:36,640 So, and I'm planning on coming to some of the Central Sanage stuff this summer. 768 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:39,359 So, I'm checking it out too. >> Anyways, so thank you. 769 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,680 » It's coming up pretty fast. >> Yeah. 770 01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:49,200 » Which is a nice segue. Councelor Newton, do you have anything from Central Sage 771 01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:56,240 » specific on the the tracking sheet? No. They'll say that 772 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:59,520 wasn't a council or anything. So, uh I'll take this 773 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:05,359 opportunity then for the chair to briefly say central Sanage's 75th 774 01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:08,559 celebration this weekend. Hopefully, we do a good job from an 775 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:13,599 accessibility standpoint. It will be a very busy weekend. It will be a lot of 776 01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:20,160 fun. Um and uh yeah, I look forward to seeing people out walking, rolling, 777 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:24,000 striding uh into the community. So >> I did notice that their their form out 778 01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:25,359 there says that the shuttle bus is accessible. 779 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:30,319 » Good. >> So so that the we're getting out there 780 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:34,000 like this is becoming standard to to put this stuff out there and let us be aware 781 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:38,480 of it. So yeah, great. >> Look forward to feedback. 782 01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:41,359 » Pastor Batista, anything from North Sanash? I know you've been busy with 783 01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:47,920 other things out there. >> Uh yeah, you know, we've been busy with 784 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:53,000 other things. um our zoning bylaws a little bit longer. So when it comes to 785 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,000 some of those components 786 01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,640 later in the fall 787 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,319 is off 788 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:13,839 but um I know it's on later the agenda some 789 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:17,760 comments about that. Okay, great. >> Thank you. And that's a good point you 790 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:20,480 made about no council report. I wonder if I don't even understand 791 01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:24,240 [clears throat] what council referrals means. Is that the opportunity when 792 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:28,640 council should be reporting or is it just poorly worded? Should we change it? 793 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:32,960 » No, that would have been I didn't mean to jump in, but I think anything that 794 01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:37,039 came from the three councils as a referral to the 795 01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:42,240 » Oh, I see. >> Shouldn't we regularly have a 796 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:48,880 opportunity for a council report though? Well, that's kind of what I saw number 797 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:52,799 seven as like council updates. Oh, >> including tracking, 798 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:54,960 » but but council referral would be something specific. 799 01:06:54,240 --> 01:07:01,119 » Okay. >> So, if council said we we want the 800 01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:07,680 committee to review the new active transportation plan, that would be a a 801 01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:11,760 specific sort of item that council asks the committee. 802 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:15,680 » Good. I'll be up up to speed just about the time I get ready to kick get kicked 803 01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:22,400 out of here. [laughter] Okay. Um, anything else on the tracking 804 01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:28,079 sheet? I think we covered them all. Uh, right program we did uh Wayne Road 805 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:31,599 Park update. Um, Mr. Martin, you just want to go 806 01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:36,480 ahead and cover that off or >> Yeah, I'd love to. Hi everybody. Um, Ben 807 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:44,319 Martin, director of construction North Sanage. Apologize if I haven't said hi 808 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:46,480 to some new faces. Um >> oh this do I need a speaker? Is there a 809 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:54,160 speaker? >> You need to pass some time back. 810 01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:58,960 » Um so I've thanks Charlene for the um request. 811 01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:02,960 » Um I did provide this email summary that I see on the agenda. 812 01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:07,440 » Um so what does everybody know about Wayne Park the process? Did everybody go 813 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:10,640 through the web page and does everybody understand how we got to where we are? 814 01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:14,559 » I did. >> I went through it. 815 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:18,880 » I drove out there and had a look. >> It's good. There's some relevance with 816 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:25,279 that. So, we did have a quite a robust process and we um we were at the initial 817 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:28,799 stages of reporting back a collection of interests in the park. That was at the 818 01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:32,960 council meeting that was referenced in the email. And at that council meeting, 819 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:41,759 uh council gave direction to simply proceed with that. the entire collection 820 01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:47,679 and to initiate it by May 2026 >> um in short order a certain section. 821 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:51,787 So staff [snorts] um as you can for those of you who have gone to the park, 822 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:55,520 you'll see a large concrete foundation [clears throat] and a steel structure 823 01:08:53,199 --> 01:09:01,359 off to the side for for a gathering place 824 01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:07,359 and staff will uh due to cost capacity and or due to labor capacity and costs, 825 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:12,880 staff will be um completing the re the remainder of the section identified on 826 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:18,799 the project page in the fall after our growing season. 827 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:25,520 Um I did I did provide one error in my email about the paving lot for the 828 01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:30,159 parking lot. Um the plan as accepted by council did indicate that um future 829 01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:37,359 parking lot improvements will be provided. So I did speak with our 830 01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:40,319 utilities public works staff and we are it's now going to be paved where I 831 01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:44,319 indicated it's not going to be paid. There'll be a pathway to gathering place 832 01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:45,920 structure. It was a real problem for me. >> Yeah, me too. 833 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,480 » So >> instead of a community gathering place, 834 01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:51,040 if you can't >> can't gather. 835 01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:55,840 » Yeah, considering >> it's actually one of our community 836 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:59,253 parks. So before the peninsula soccer happened at Memorial Park, that was 837 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:02,000 actually quite a node for the [clears throat] community. We had 838 01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:05,120 » two baseball fields, >> baseball diamonds. 839 01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:08,239 » We we actually bought an adjacent property, unknown to most people, bought 840 01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:12,159 a decent property because we thought we'd had more of that coming. This is 841 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:16,880 well before my time. Um, so we thought we'd have to expand 842 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:20,800 tennis facilities and whatnot. And since that time, it's really transitioned. So, 843 01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:25,600 it is still a community park, but it's really more of a neighborhood. However, 844 01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:28,719 with this new vision, it's turning back into a community park. So, there's going 845 01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:35,040 to be so many amenities there because council approved all all the options. 846 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:39,840 So, we're going to have uh a trail connector small like a younger age kids 847 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:46,320 natural play structure >> water feature a water sorry a water 848 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:51,920 feature a water misser um the gathering place uh we're going to 849 01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:59,280 place about 20 plus trees in that area around gathering place to make it more 850 01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:03,760 I suppose kind of a disc golf um so it will be place where families 851 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:10,080 will come and [clears throat] there'll be something for everybody. And so, um, 852 01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:13,920 we'll pave the the parking lot is as per direction 853 01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:16,800 yesterday, the parking lot. It's planned to be paved with 854 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:19,679 » That's fantastic. >> Charlene, 855 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:24,480 » yeah, I've got questions. So, my my concern with this is that it's going to 856 01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:28,880 be an area for everybody. Um, without going into the detail and coming 857 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:33,679 to us, will there be picnic tables that are accessible to everybody? 858 01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:37,760 Um, will there be parts of this part as we go on that will be accessible to 859 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:42,159 everybody? Like, are we are we paying attention to what the pathways are made 860 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:47,679 of? Are we paying attention to um how how do I get to that picnic table? Um, 861 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:52,800 and and I bring this up in in some respect because of my disappointment 862 01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:56,800 with Wolf Orchard. Um, I checked it out and there's a lovely little picnic table 863 01:11:54,800 --> 01:12:01,520 and there's a lovely little bench on cement pads that is not accessible to 864 01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:04,800 somebody in a wheelchair. So, it broke my heart thinking of the the kids that 865 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:09,920 go to Deep Coast School because I know this was done in conjunction to be part 866 01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:14,239 of the school being able to access it. There's absolutely no access for a a 867 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:18,640 child in a wheelchair to be able to sit at a picnic table or sit next to 868 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:24,480 somebody on a bench. So, I just want to make sure that these things are not 869 01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:29,920 forgotten as we go forward. Um that that we do pay attention to the detail in 870 01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:35,840 these parks cuz like I say, I was I was pretty disappointed in seeing that. And 871 01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:40,080 um without it coming again, this this is what we're we're going to make this 872 01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:45,199 we're going to make it a a a play area, but are these areas going to consider 873 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:50,080 accessibility? So that that was my concern in asking questions about this 874 01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:54,880 is uh you know I I don't want to see it go to the level that it's completed and 875 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:59,760 it's like oh we didn't make it accessible because we missed we missed 876 01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:04,960 an opportunity here. So I just hope along the way I mean I can I I follow 877 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:09,920 council meetings as best as I can. I read what's going on as best as I can. 878 01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:13,040 But um as as it's been pointed out to me before that sometimes when you see these 879 01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:19,760 plans that come up, they're placekeepers. They're they're 880 01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:25,120 abstract plans, but it is in the details that things get missed. So I just want 881 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:29,840 to make sure that that is is considered going forward on this 882 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:32,640 » interesting discussion. Maybe you can discuss how that can be considered. 883 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,719 » Yeah. and >> and and provide other incentives to the 884 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:39,840 council motion that provided direction for staff. 885 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:44,640 » Yeah, I mean the council motion itself I was pretty rush and and was not 886 01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:49,679 anticipated to happen the way it did. That's at least my perspective. Um, you 887 01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:53,040 know, my only real comment is I'm quite thankful to our staff that they're 888 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:56,800 always thinking about that stuff and they're always considering it and and 889 01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:03,440 this was one of those pivots that happened um partly because these 890 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:06,800 communications that happened, but um yeah, the you know, the way I saw this 891 01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:10,000 originally playing out after this presentation was that it was going to be 892 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:14,880 coming to SP. These were the things that were going to be happening. Um you know, 893 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:19,920 the the council decision is what it is. I certainly can't unwind 894 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:24,640 those things now. Um, but yeah, I'm I'm personally trying to be much more on top 895 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:29,280 of making sure our council is considering those things before they 896 01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:31,120 rush decisions because that's what happened to me. 897 01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:34,560 » Yeah, >> I took a screenshot of what you had on 898 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:38,880 the website. looked [clears throat] to me that if the parking lot got paved, 899 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:45,280 there would be accessibility to the trail and the community gathering place 900 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:49,920 » um over the uh trail service that you're providing, which is pretty standard 901 01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:53,040 stuff, I think. Compacted gravel is relatively firm and wheelchair 902 01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:57,679 accessible, right? >> Compacted fines. So, it's like a gravel 903 01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:03,520 base with compact six mill fines. That's what that's what's intended in design in 904 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:07,360 the plan. The trail network. Yeah, I think that's what we see elsewhere in 905 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:12,320 the peninsula, don't we? >> I'm not familiar with the terms. So, to 906 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:17,520 me, all I need to know is it wheelchair accessible. Can a person in a wheelchair 907 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:20,719 or a walker easily traverse the surface? Yes or no? 908 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,760 » I would say that a compact, for those of you who've been around trails, it's a 909 01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:29,520 CRD standard. I believe it's a central standard. It's quite a a compacted 910 01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:34,000 surface and it's crowned supposed to be crowned to to shed. Um, 911 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:38,560 it's I would say it's better than loose gravel. It's better than beach. It's not 912 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:43,600 as good as ashalt for like a wheel surface. Like you couldn't run a scooter 913 01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,920 down it, but you could run a larger a larger wheeled. 914 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:54,920 » Uh, councelor Newton I think was an accident. Councelor Keith. 915 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,920 » Thank you. Um, 916 01:15:55,199 --> 01:16:00,320 weighing in and other people's jurisdictions. The only comment I'll 917 01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:05,280 have is previous member many you know commented 918 01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:11,120 about how good the gravel surface trail was that 919 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:16,400 central sage had along ste and again like you chair I'm not 920 01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:21,760 familiar with this but a six mill aggregate is that's the standard then 921 01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:26,400 that's great I would yeah for whatever voice this committee has to say that you 922 01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:29,920 know at minimum so that that is able to be 923 01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:33,120 I think is essential. I'll leave it at that. 924 01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:39,360 » That's O'Keefe. >> Uh thanks. So I think the thought the 925 01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:46,560 way I thought things were going in the municipalities is that when things were 926 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:51,520 being considered like you know this that the first thing would be come to spec 927 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:56,800 and like for example I really appreciated like central central Sanage 928 01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:02,000 when they were doing their they're redoing their parks and so they came to 929 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:07,520 the committee first of all and said hey we're doing our big parks 930 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:12,800 uh you know thing and we want to get some general comments on things we we we 931 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:16,719 need to think about and then the commitment from them that they will come 932 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:21,120 back every time that they're looking at a park to say this is what we plan for 933 01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:25,199 the park you know same with Sydney when we did our active transportation plan 934 01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:30,719 there was certainly a lot of community engagement on that and there's lots of 935 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:38,960 opportunities to participate but the the point of spa is that councils and staff 936 01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:46,080 make a concerted effort not to just depend on that general sort of 937 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:51,520 engagement, but that we we we factor into our engagement process reaching out 938 01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:56,080 to spat specifically. So, and what I'm hearing from a couple members here is 939 01:17:53,840 --> 01:18:01,920 that, you know, maybe more could have been done that way and and hearing from 940 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:06,880 councelor De Batista, um, you know, he thought it was coming just back. In 941 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:10,560 staff's defense, you know, staff, you know, presents something and unless 942 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:16,480 council directs them to do anything else, they're going to go and and do 943 01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:22,719 whatever sta or council directs them to do. So I, you know, if committee members 944 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:28,880 thought that they want to have a better look at this plan, you have the option 945 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:35,280 to make a recommendation to North Sanage Council that the plans for Wayne Road 946 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:42,159 Park be presented to SPAC for review and comment. Um, and so then you could make 947 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:46,159 whatever formal suggestions you have that could go back. And sometimes 948 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:51,600 there's cost implications, you know, and in defense of staff, you know, uh 949 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:56,239 whether it's a gravel trail or or whatever or there's no accessible 950 01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:01,440 playground features, those are things that cost a lot more money. 951 01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:05,600 » And so um you know, staff are always looking at what's the most cost 952 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:09,920 effective way of doing things. But if the committee puts forward certain 953 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:13,360 things, they say this is important and then staff can say, "Well, we could do 954 01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:18,800 that, but it's going to cost an extra $100,000." And that's what happened in 955 01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:23,120 Sydney with Breather Park. Um, is that initially there wasn't going to be a lot 956 01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:27,040 of accessibility there. And the committee said, "No, we want that." And 957 01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:32,640 so it ended up costing I think it was another $100,000 958 01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:36,080 to include uh the the the playground surface and some other things. But at 959 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:42,640 least it gives council >> for your donation. 960 01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:48,960 » At least it gives council the the opportunity to uh you know weigh in on 961 01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:55,520 that. So that's an option you have if you want to make a motion to North 962 01:19:51,199 --> 01:20:00,880 Stanage to um you know ask staff to review the the the plans with SPAC and 963 01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:04,239 ask for their review. >> I think we have I think we have time now 964 01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,960 right just to the point that's actually what happened with Jubilee Park prior to 965 01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,120 Breath of Park. >> Right. 966 01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:13,679 » Right. That's exactly how that played out. um this did not play out that way 967 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,920 and I'll keep my personal comments rationale for that probably to myself to 968 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:19,040 say >> and basically we want to be partners not 969 01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:24,640 policemen right >> yeah and so it was uh yeah there was 970 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:28,719 certain motivations for this to be rushed the way it was so it's 971 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:32,480 » highly unfortunate um that it played out this way because it didn't previously 972 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:36,320 » so it seems like there's time to bring it back one more time before you get 973 01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:41,440 » blind in the call no >> well 974 01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:44,239 I mean It's it it's already been approved by council 975 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:50,640 » as is. >> So yeah, a portion is being completed as 976 01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:54,880 per the image on the page. >> The remainder of the park staff couldn't 977 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:59,360 conceivably completed the top. 978 01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:03,520 » So there's a structure going, trees being planted and the parking lot being 979 01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:09,199 paved, some split rail fencing, irrigation for the trees, and the start 980 01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:14,080 of that trail network. If there's um a motion from this committee to consider 981 01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:18,640 paving the trail, start adding or consider coming back the the remainder 982 01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:24,800 of the park will be constructed 2027. That's in the capital fund. So 983 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:29,920 there is an opportunity to bring you know obviously 984 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:34,719 what's already set set in motion is is is happening. But there's nothing to say 985 01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:38,560 that uh we couldn't come back and say okay 2027 remainder of the parks being 986 01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:44,239 done. >> Um we're interested in these some 987 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:51,360 additional features >> also always have opportunity to revisit 988 01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:53,280 past decisions if they so choose as well. 989 01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:59,280 » Do you want to make a motion sir? So yeah, I think we make a motion to have 990 01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:04,000 uh the next planning phase of of Wayne Road to be presented to SPAC 991 01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:08,159 » might be assuming that it makes it into the capital list. Sometimes things are 992 01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:15,520 moved if the cap if it remains in the capital plan for 2027 and it should then 993 01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,560 it would come before this committee >> first. 994 01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:20,880 » So >> so I think the motion 995 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:22,719 » is there you're waiting to say something >> there's a motion on the floor. as well. 996 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:27,040 Sorry. >> And just just to help out, I think the 997 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:33,679 recommendation would be that SPACK recommends the district 998 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:40,320 present to SPACK um the remainder of the work plan for balance works be done away 999 01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:45,840 at a future meeting and I think that's the opportunity to you know provide some 1000 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:49,440 input and provide some thought because that the rest of that work isn't going 1001 01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:52,800 to be done yet and it gives them an opportunity to come back albeit the 1002 01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:55,440 first half is a little too late. Um, but at least the second 1003 01:22:53,760 --> 01:23:00,679 » you okay with that wording? >> Yeah, I'm okay with that wording. Did 1004 01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,679 you catch that for me? 1005 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:14,239 » Anybody on u anybody attending virtually? 1006 01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:17,920 » We need a seconder, right? Or do we have one? We need a seconder, I think. 1007 01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:22,000 » Can I second? >> Okay. Yeah, I'll second it. Well, I I 1008 01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:26,920 was just hoping with some words. >> Okay. So, I'm I'm Okay. So, I'm doing 1009 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:30,800 » I'll happily second. >> Okay. Yeah. 1010 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,520 » Okay. Great. >> Thank you. 1011 01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:39,840 » Multiple sectors. Um any discussion um from all you quiet folks on the on the 1012 01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,880 screen there that I'm looking at? >> Janelle and company. 1013 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,880 » Nope. >> No. I I just really appreciate this and 1014 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:51,120 I'll just make a comment. I appreciate Charlene bringing up about children uh 1015 01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:55,520 because this is one thing that it's difficult for our family is we see 1016 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:59,120 accessible places for children but that doesn't mean that the activities that 1017 01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:04,080 are included are accessible. So I appreciate opportunity to hear this and 1018 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:07,199 yeah >> counc 1019 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:11,679 and you know it's an opportunity for you 1020 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:18,480 know the member of council that's going to bring this motion forward to their 1021 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:22,880 council to as just a reminder of maybe previous process you know your normal 1022 01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:27,280 process of what you did at Jubilee Park which seemed to be really good and I 1023 01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:32,159 think what the committee members of the committee were pointing 1024 01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:40,320 out today is disappointment that there wasn't that uh consultation 1025 01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:45,120 for Wayne Road Park um as there had been in the past though 1026 01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:48,760 and councelor Newton then I think we should bring the questions 1027 01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:57,280 she was still around the process on this about how so I 1028 01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:02,239 um weighing into each local government's 1029 01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:07,199 sort of governance and their processes. I struggle with this being outside. I 1030 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:12,480 appreciate the advocacy side of what this committee is, you know, jumping up 1031 01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:18,560 and down and doing um how this is coming. I mean through the process I 1032 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:23,280 struggle with a little bit just from what's involved. 1033 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:28,239 I absolutely agree that this should have come forward as council efforts. You 1034 01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:31,480 know what you guys did in Jubilee Park was great. 1035 01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:37,199 » Yeah. I I >> Do you have another suggestion on how we 1036 01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:41,600 can uh get it on board? >> No, I don't have another suggestion 1037 01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:46,320 because I think this committee should review it, but I just my problem is with 1038 01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:49,280 how it how it's coming back forward through the process. 1039 01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:53,679 » Yeah, understood. Okay, I'll call the question. All in 1040 01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:56,960 favor of the motion. Uh 1041 01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:59,960 » against period. 1042 01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:06,960 » Thanks guys. >> Thank you for your help with that. 1043 01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:09,440 » Can I just say >> yes? 1044 01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:15,520 » Is it Are we able to do the accessible parking before Ben goes? 1045 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,280 » Oh, just because Yeah, 1046 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,960 » sure. >> That's okay with you. 1047 01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:22,320 » Yes. >> Or I mean, sorry, I was going to say 1048 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:26,239 that there's a reason for my departure. I'd love to stay. I've got 1049 01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:28,560 » if the accessible park is related to bylaw, so I'll be able to 1050 01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:32,719 » Okay. >> Okay. 1051 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:36,120 » Off you go. It's nice to see everybody. >> Thank you, too. 1052 01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:44,400 » Okay. Accessibility at Mary Whitespear Center. 1053 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:50,400 » Yes, that's coming to me again. Um quite some time ago it it was brought up that 1054 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:54,719 Mary Windspar would like uh input from the committee on accessibility issues at 1055 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:59,679 Mary Windsor. Somehow that got dropped and nothing ever happened. Um I have 1056 01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:05,040 been talking with Denny Warner from Mary Winspair and she's very interested in 1057 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:11,679 our committee um helping with any kind of accessibility 1058 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:17,600 um information notes. Um she did say um this didn't print out very well that she 1059 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:22,639 was um looking for some uh assistance regarding accessibility for the center 1060 01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:29,199 um accessibility with washrooms, signage, parking or any other um sensory 1061 01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:33,920 issues, any kind of issues that we could do. um she was not able to make this 1062 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:38,800 meeting today, but wanted to know if our committee would be um in a position that 1063 01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:43,600 we could maybe help out, do an audit, meet with her, whatever. And I just 1064 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:49,280 wanted to I I certainly have got my ideas of what I'd like to see at Mary 1065 01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:56,320 laughing at me because he can figure those out. Um, but I think we all bring 1066 01:27:52,800 --> 01:28:00,960 our our expertise on this committee to that and to see uh Mary Winspair and the 1067 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:05,199 community tackle some of these accessibility issues. So, I just wanted 1068 01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:09,440 to know whether that's something that other members of the committee would be 1069 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:17,440 willing to to work on with us. >> Certainly, I would. I I know I certif. 1070 01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:24,480 » So I my suggestion would be to for Miss Warner to make a formal request to SP 1071 01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:30,000 back either you know to appear um at at a meeting in the future. she wasn't 1072 01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:33,760 available today. Um, you know, to to, you know, maybe send some questions in 1073 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:39,760 advance or if she's looking for an on-site sort of thing to send, you know, 1074 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:45,199 a formal request to SPAC outlining what are the things they want feedback on and 1075 01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:49,920 then SPAC can respond at that time. >> Okay. Are you comfortable writing that? 1076 01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:57,760 » Yeah. So would that would the formal request come to SPACK or does it have to 1077 01:28:52,239 --> 01:29:00,800 go through council to come to SPACK process? 1078 01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:05,920 » I want to know what the process is. >> I think that's where we have a gray area 1079 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:10,000 what this committee's role is and without a doubt 1080 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:16,080 » providing some guidance and input. Um, but I be curious what our terms of 1081 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:23,600 reference state about who we can invite in to request input from uh from the 1082 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:28,639 wealth of knowledge in this room about how that works. And not to say that I 1083 01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:33,600 don't think that there's some great input that could be provided, but it's 1084 01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:39,920 just um I think this role the committee is still from the local government side 1085 01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:42,480 of things on how that comes forward. Keep 1086 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:47,280 » I guess what what I would say I think the terms of reference talk about you 1087 01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:52,960 know education sort of of the broader community certainly there's a role in 1088 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:59,280 providing direct um feedback to the local governments but I'm recollecting 1089 01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:04,560 although I can't remember who other organizations that have come here for 1090 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:09,679 feedback on different uh different things that haven't necessarily gone 1091 01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:14,719 through our ours. >> Yeah. The airport and the panorama. 1092 01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:20,239 » Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. So, >> peninsula f festivities. 1093 01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:24,480 » Oh, yeah. Peninsula celebrations. Um, you know, they're a community group that 1094 01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:28,480 provides >> maybe I'll have to refer refresh my 1095 01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:32,320 memory about make sure that 1096 01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:36,480 » that Yeah, that's fine. Well, and that was my question with this. Is is this 1097 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:41,120 something that comes formally to us or do we just individually say, "Okay, 1098 01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:46,960 we're we're meeting with you, Denny." >> Oh, well, that's another way of 1099 01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:52,159 » of doing it. Al although I think I think it would be good to have kind of an 1100 01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:58,000 official spa uh presence because Sydney and North 1101 01:30:54,960 --> 01:31:04,560 Sanage anyways contribute significantly to Mary Winspear Center and I think we 1102 01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:10,960 have kind of a real interest I would think of ensuring that the municipal 1103 01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:15,840 facilities that we we support financially 1104 01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:20,560 um you know that there's some concern about accessibility there and it would 1105 01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:25,040 be of interest. >> Plus, we have a breadth of experience on 1106 01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:30,480 the committee that would be different than just Charlene and I going for 1107 01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:34,080 example. We want to consider all of the u 1108 01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:38,120 the whole community not just the mobility challenge community. 1109 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:44,400 So looking at this from the reference does say that uh committee identified 1110 01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:48,880 barriers for persons with disabilities in the community and recommends 1111 01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:54,480 solutions for consideration by the San Mins local governments as well as 1112 01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:58,120 sharing committees and organizations. 1113 01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:07,760 So, um [clears throat] maybe we can co-write a letter, send it off, and 1114 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,000 we'll get some feedback. >> Okay. 1115 01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:17,280 » Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay, that works. Thank you. 1116 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:21,520 » All right. Now, we're on to um item D. Sydney wave f wayfinding markings. We 1117 01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:26,719 talked about this a couple of meetings ago, and I think uh Mr. Wellland was 1118 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:33,040 kind enough to offer his observations. So, thank you. 1119 01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:33,040 Yeah, go ahead. 1120 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:44,880 Uh yeah, thank you. Uh all right. So the uh 1121 01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:49,600 I've used the term wayfinding and and in other conversations people have talked 1122 01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:55,679 about tactile markings. Um they're the same thing. Um 1123 01:32:52,080 --> 01:33:02,159 and uh whether that whether the tactile feature be grooves in the concrete or uh 1124 01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:09,520 twizzies. Um that's that's really what I was looking 1125 01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:18,800 at. And so um I I uh conducted an audit um between 1126 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:22,639 April 25th and May 7th of this year. Um 1127 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:27,199 both uh 1128 01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:35,520 on my own and uh with my partner who is uh totally blind. Um 1129 01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:42,800 and uh what we did is uh took kind of a grid approach and went from um Highway 1130 01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:51,040 17 and Beacon Avenue um all the way over to uh First Street 1131 01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:55,280 and the waterfront uh the pier um from Beavenon 1132 01:33:53,360 --> 01:34:02,719 Beacon uh James White and uh Sydney 1133 01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:09,120 Um and then went a little bit beyond that to Henry Avenue as well. Uh and 1134 01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:13,520 also to Mill Road and Rest Haven. Um 1135 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:18,639 so uh I I made notes of uh what I was 1136 01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:27,199 seeing there and I also took photographs of uh many of the the features um on the 1137 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:34,400 on the concrete. Um so the briefly the findings were um that 1138 01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:40,000 uh so in terms of the way that I I did this I I looked at a corner as being 1139 01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:45,040 four corners right so an intersection has four corners so I looked at what's 1140 01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:51,600 going on in the northeast the northwest southeast southwest whatever um and so 1141 01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:56,880 in terms of the the numbering that's that's where that's coming from So there 1142 01:34:53,920 --> 01:35:03,840 are 54 corners in that grid that I just described that 1143 01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:08,159 have no markings at all. Um anywhere that there's cobblestone, at 1144 01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:14,440 least that's what I'm calling it, the cobblestones, uh there are no marks of 1145 01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,440 any sort. 1146 01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:24,639 Um the other feature that I notice is that where there are grooves in the 1147 01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:29,840 concrete that are meant to be um tactile markings, 1148 01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:35,199 uh there is little consistency in the way that those markings are 1149 01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:43,120 displayed. So I found that there were 20 corners where the grooves parallel the 1150 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:52,000 road and there are 19 corners where it's the opposite way. 1151 01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:58,480 There are also at least five corners uh which are newer and uh have grooves at 1152 01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:01,480 right angles, right? 1153 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,639 And so, 1154 01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:12,440 excuse me just a moment. 1155 01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:23,280 Yeah. Uh, so one of the features that I noticed uh was that there are corners 1156 01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:27,600 where uh there are maybe three sections to 1157 01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:35,360 grooves. Uh so that there is a a a section that 1158 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:41,840 has grooves that are um parallel to to say the this road u the one that's going 1159 01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:48,239 north north south and then grooves that are parallel to the uh east west road 1160 01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:52,960 but then there's another set that are in between that. 1161 01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:58,560 So although we have 1162 01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:01,840 Sydney Council who have uh you know reached out to the Ministry of 1163 01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:08,239 Transportation uh with concerns about the Highway 17 1164 01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:13,679 and Beacon Avenue intersection where these uh grooves and Twizzies are 1165 01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:22,239 misaligned. Uh, Sydney has its own problems 1166 01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:28,719 in the sense that wherever these arcs or um three section grooves are, you have 1167 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:35,679 the potential to lead someone who is blind right into the middle of traffic 1168 01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:39,679 going basically kitty corner. Um, so 1169 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:45,360 although I agree that the Ministry of Transportation needs to get its act 1170 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:50,960 together, so does Sydney. Um, the only corners with twizzies, 1171 01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:57,280 which are the tactile markings, the yellow plastic ones, 1172 01:37:53,520 --> 01:38:02,239 um, is at that Highway 17 and Beacon intersection. I'm not saying that's the 1173 01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:06,719 only ones. That's not necessarily the only ones in all of Sydney, but within 1174 01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:11,679 the large grid that I talked about, there are no other ones. 1175 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:19,040 Um, the other thing about those twizzies is 1176 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:25,840 that they're not directional twizzies. They're only warning twizzies. 1177 01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:32,000 So they can't necessarily uh direct the user in any particular direction. Uh the 1178 01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:39,440 grooves can. Um and what I discovered as a cited person is that it's very easy to 1179 01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:44,960 uh to to basically as a sighted person to kind 1180 01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:50,719 of line up the grooves. If you're looking at the ones that are going to um 1181 01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:57,440 uh be parallel to the walkway, to the crosswalk lines, 1182 01:38:55,280 --> 01:39:02,080 uh you can basically line those up by your eye and go, "Oh, yeah, okay, that 1183 01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:08,400 works." But the problem is that if you're blind, you're not using your eyes 1184 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:15,679 to line up to crosswalk. You're going by whatever direction those those grooves 1185 01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:19,760 are are directing you. uh to to basically for for you to they're 1186 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:22,560 directing you to go in a certain direction. Um and 1187 01:39:22,533 --> 01:39:29,040 » [clears throat] >> uh and as I've said in some cases that 1188 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:35,440 is directing person into the flow of traffic. Um the other thing that I 1189 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:42,719 noticed is that both the on and off ramps to Highway 17 1190 01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:48,159 uh have crosswalks. Um 1191 01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:55,920 but there's no uh there's no control of of traffic there. Uh so somebody who's 1192 01:39:51,520 --> 01:40:00,560 blind who goes wants to go across this let's say the offramp 1193 01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:04,400 um they are not going to be able to know 1194 01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:07,719 whether there's traffic coming uh to go on the beacon. 1195 01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:18,239 Um the other thing is that that is also true of all of the crosswalks that are 1196 01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:23,199 on Beacon that go across Beacon. Uh there's no traffic control there. 1197 01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:29,679 There's no um and and in addition there are no markings um for those particular 1198 01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:36,159 crosswalks and the same is true of the traffic circle at uh first and beacon. 1199 01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:42,119 There were no markings and there's no traffic control there. 1200 01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:42,119 Um, 1201 01:40:51,679 --> 01:41:03,760 now when you look at uh oh um yeah, let me say this first. Uh when you look at 1202 01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:11,199 the uh two traffic control uh crosswalks that I looked at, um 1203 01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:16,880 they have warning lights for traffic, but they don't have sound. 1204 01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:21,199 So the one that's most concerning, I think, is the one at Mill Road and Rest 1205 01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:26,760 Haven, where it's just south of that intersection. Uh so it's at the Shaw 1206 01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,760 Center. 1207 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,840 Um 1208 01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:47,920 the other thing about that particular crosswalk is that 1209 01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:54,239 the traffic does not always heed the um crosswalk warning lights. Um, this has 1210 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:59,920 been reported to me, but I also observed it when I was doing my audit and 1211 01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:05,119 standing there. Um, there were a number of vehicles that just went right through 1212 01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:08,119 there. Um, and that's particularly concerning. 1213 01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:18,480 Uh, another feature that I looked at was the directional posts on Beacon Avenue. 1214 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:24,480 These are the ones that um direct people to where businesses are. 1215 01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:29,760 Uh none of those posts are accessible to the blind or people with low vision. Uh 1216 01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:35,480 what they would probably need is raised lettering and braille. They have none. 1217 01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:46,800 Um, I also looked at access through glass beach 1218 01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:52,639 which is not particularly accessible to blind for people with low. In fact, it 1219 01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:59,880 could be potentially quite dangerous for them. Um there are railings that go down 1220 01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,880 the stairs that 1221 01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:11,119 there is a concrete platform at the end of those stairs with no railing. So if 1222 01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:16,719 person who's blind was able to manage to get down that far, they would quite 1223 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:23,280 easily walk off of the concrete and onto the rocks or the sand. 1224 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:30,159 Um and that goes a little bit beyond you know, it might need markings, but um 1225 01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:35,280 in terms of the railings and such. Um but there also are no 1226 01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:41,560 tactile markings anywhere around those stairs to warn someone that there are 1227 01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,560 indeed stairs there. 1228 01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:53,920 And uh I think that's about it. >> Great. Thanks very much. That was a 1229 01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:57,760 pretty comprehensive tour around Sydney. Um, 1230 01:43:55,440 --> 01:44:00,639 any questions of Mr. Willen? >> Charlie, 1231 01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:04,480 » I just thanks for doing that, Richard. I I've certainly since being on this 1232 01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:09,199 committee and having had Vanessa on the committee, I've paid more attention to 1233 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:13,040 to crosswalks than ever I did because I only looked at could I get on them with 1234 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:16,800 my wheelchair and now I'm looking at them in a whole different light. like 1235 01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:21,040 when so those rounded ones that you're talking about that sends them into any 1236 01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:24,560 any direction >> they work great for me but they are a 1237 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:29,040 nightmare for a low vision and blind person um and and I bring this up 1238 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:34,560 because you did a a great comprehensive study of Sydney um North Sanage is 1239 01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:39,440 looking at uh I know they brought up redoing uh the walkway along uh East 1240 01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:44,320 Sanich Road between McTavish and the roundabout at the airport. Um, and they 1241 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:49,760 also put in a crosswalk on the top of Dean Park Road and they put one of those 1242 01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:54,639 cord corners in. It's a nightmare for a low vision person. Um, so again, I think 1243 01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:58,719 it's it's that we start paying attention as we're we're we're doing some of these 1244 01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:05,440 changes and developments that there's got to be more consistency and in how 1245 01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:10,639 we're doing it. And um so I am I am now finding that I'm driving around looking 1246 01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:15,199 at crosswalks and and curb cuts and and you're right there's and this this is 1247 01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:19,920 part of progressing as we learn more and do more um that we're we are getting 1248 01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:25,760 better with directional ones. So I think we need to to find a consistency so that 1249 01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:32,080 people know and again as a tri municipal committee 1250 01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:37,440 and and I'm I'm somebody who very rarely leaves the peninsula. So to have a 1251 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:43,199 standard that works central Sanage, North Sanage and Sydney so that we have 1252 01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:49,679 got a a standard um just makes it easier for everybody who's trying to to 1253 01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:53,199 navigate their world. Um, so thank you for doing all of that. I It's something 1254 01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:56,080 I've been paying more attention to as well. 1255 01:45:53,760 --> 01:46:02,239 » Yes, you're new. Yeah, certainly. I think all of these students 1256 01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:06,320 known about where their deficiencies are from work is fully done. I think going 1257 01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:10,840 forward is what we're really trying to look at. So I guess my question 1258 01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:20,159 the controlled intersections whether it's walk signals or crosswalks do we 1259 01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:23,520 have focus probably the wrong persons are here with 1260 01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:29,679 engineering but is there like a difference between a controlled signal 1261 01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:34,480 and then a signal with the auditory component to it that would be a standard 1262 01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:41,040 to use when we look at going forward but there cost perspective 1263 01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:44,063 probably much different. >> Yeah, [clears throat] 1264 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:52,960 » picking up on that theme, if you don't mind. Um, so the ones that were rec more 1265 01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:58,880 recently done at Sydney, it's a new standard, I presume. Um they as a as a 1266 01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:03,520 lay person, they seem to be appropriately done with the markings 1267 01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:07,679 heading into the crosswalk. Uh irregardless of the the [clears throat] 1268 01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:10,719 controlled crossing, they seem to be uh appropriate because I think I think what 1269 01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:14,000 happens is you're supposed to be able to put your cane in the groove and and 1270 01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:18,800 follow that groove to the path of travel, right? 1271 01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:24,719 » That was that's my impression as to the way it's supposed to work. Um there are 1272 01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:33,600 certainly uh problems inherent in that in that system which I'd be happy to 1273 01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:40,159 talk about. Um I I think um for a a cane user who is not used to that uh and 1274 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:44,480 particularly if you're using your cane uh and going about Sydney. 1275 01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:50,480 » Yeah. Right. and running into the inconsistencies. 1276 01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:57,040 Um you you then I think become unclear as to what you know which direction am I 1277 01:47:53,280 --> 01:48:01,199 supposed to be following here. Um but I think from a [clears throat] structural 1278 01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:10,480 point of view the problem with the grooving in the sidewalks is um that 1279 01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:17,840 they they fill with debris. Um, they also are more 1280 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:22,719 expensive, I would think, to change. Uh, whereas if you put down the Twizzy, 1281 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:29,119 you can unscrew it and move it somewhere else or rearrange it or whatever. Um, 1282 01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:33,679 you can't do that with concrete grooves. You have to break up the concrete and 1283 01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:37,560 redo the whole thing. That's got to be more costly. 1284 01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:45,119 And it said if the grooves are filling with debris then then they lose their 1285 01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:50,239 their use. That's 1286 01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:56,000 » key. Uh thank you. Um I'm also thinking about you know how how we move forward 1287 01:48:53,600 --> 01:49:05,520 on this. I mean I know it's something that's come up in the past. Um, 1288 01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:11,199 but what I don't know is whether there's a plan to address these things. Like for 1289 01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:15,360 example, I know that we, you know, when Vanessa was here, we had discussions 1290 01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:21,119 about the scoring lines and that and that's and initially staff's response 1291 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:25,840 was there's a standard that we follow. um what we ended up finding out is that 1292 01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:30,400 yeah, there's a standard, but how it was actually being constructed was being 1293 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:36,159 misunderstood. And so I think there is now that 1294 01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:41,199 understanding. And so the ones the intersections on Beacon, the new ones 1295 01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:45,760 that they've done, all seem good, but there's these ones throughout the 1296 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:51,679 community that are and I see them. You know, there's a lot of them and I don't 1297 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:58,080 know whether staff are aware of those and I don't know 1298 01:49:54,159 --> 01:50:00,560 that there's a plan to correct those. So, 1299 01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:03,840 » I'm also interested in Charlene's comment about standardization because I 1300 01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:08,400 know that Central Sanders is going to make a heck of a lot of improvements to 1301 01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:12,080 along Mount Newton, etc. And they'll want to be incorporating some of those 1302 01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:16,159 ideas, I'm sure. >> Yeah. Well, and from what I understand 1303 01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:21,760 previously from staff is there there is that municipal standard for 1304 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:25,840 accessibility that they follow. But you know where we sometimes miss the mark 1305 01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:30,639 and that's where they missed the mark with Ministry of Transportation is that 1306 01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:36,080 you know you get contractors in to do the work that don't necessarily are very 1307 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:41,280 familiar with it and so they don't implement the standard accurately. So, 1308 01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:47,040 what I'm I guess what I'm struggling with is 1309 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:55,199 you know how we whether there's a way to return to uh you know put all of what 1310 01:50:51,520 --> 01:51:00,560 you've got there into like a kind of a report or in writing with the pictures 1311 01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:06,560 so that we could whether that would be useful for staff 1312 01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:11,520 and Mr. uh newcome or any thoughts he might have on best ways. 1313 01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:15,920 » I'm I'm just drafting an email for director of engineering just highlight 1314 01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:21,760 this discussion with him and uh he was the uh 1315 01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:26,639 engineering tech who designed our current standard for those coordinates. 1316 01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:34,159 uh they can listen to this discussion and give us some thought in terms of 1317 01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:40,159 maybe taking a second look at those that standard some of the concerns that you 1318 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:45,599 raised or uh I mean it's also come up at the highway intersection obviously and 1319 01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:53,360 some of the drawbacks of that approach uh there's no solution um anyway I I 1320 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:55,599 will raise it with them say that can't make 1321 01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:04,719 Yeah. So I I like I think there should I'm feeling there should be some sort of 1322 01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:10,560 resolution but I'm just struggling about what the 1323 01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:16,080 recommendation might be. Um >> other option might be gather more 1324 01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:22,159 information for staff on having you know maybe someone from engineering come 1325 01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:28,480 present on what our approach has been to date. We'll know that that's done. 1326 01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:35,280 » You know what? I you know what? I kind of I like that idea because um then at 1327 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:39,679 least engineering can tell us what they actually are doing and maybe they do 1328 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:45,199 have a plan rather than the committee making a recommendation and it's kind of 1329 01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:54,400 you know moot because staff already know. So maybe the motion could be that 1330 01:52:50,000 --> 01:53:01,199 uh we we ask engineering staff from the municipalities to attend the next back 1331 01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:06,520 meeting to talk about accessibility at intersections. 1332 01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,520 You're asking. 1333 01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:14,199 » Sorry. You're asking the council that said they're 1334 01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:25,639 » Oh, okay. >> Okay. 1335 01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:31,679 » Yeah. Okay. Good. 1336 01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:37,040 » Thanks again, Richard. >> Thank you. Welcome. I think we had a 1337 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:39,760 letter to the uh airport authority which seems self 1338 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:44,560 explanatory. >> Yeah. 1339 01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:50,000 » Um I just wanted to mention that the uh and it's posted here the island de and 1340 01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:55,360 harden of hearing center was closed uh rather suddenly. They ran out of money 1341 01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:59,119 and um their government's contract expired a couple years ago but they ran 1342 01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:03,360 out of money like at June 30th and there was very little notice given to anybody. 1343 01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:08,159 So that the uh deaf and heart of hearing community are really struggling because 1344 01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:13,599 that was their their go-to spot for all things, you know, for for uh social 1345 01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:19,894 activity, for getting uformational resources, for u um figuring out what to 1346 01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:24,880 do with their children's education, [clears throat] all those things. And uh 1347 01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:28,480 so I'm I just raise it so people can think about what we might be able to do 1348 01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:34,719 for our deaf and heart heart of hearing people in our community perhaps. um um 1349 01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:38,880 beacon community services where the Shaw Center could be at least a meeting place 1350 01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:43,760 for people. You might want to um run that up the flag pole and see where it 1351 01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:48,639 goes. >> Yes. So, I'm going to uh unfortunately 1352 01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:53,760 those people from the disability um alliance of BC had to leave, but I'll 1353 01:54:51,199 --> 01:55:01,679 follow up with them as well to see if they can offer some assistance. 1354 01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:05,360 Okay. Any more thoughts on that? >> Yeah, 1355 01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:08,880 » I'll work on the Shaw Center, but I think that that's 1356 01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:13,520 probably considered anyways 1357 01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:16,880 resource maybe states. 1358 01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:20,800 » Yeah. Much much like the White Cane Club, at least if people had a chance to 1359 01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:26,560 go there, I I think they go there and they they play cards or they exchange 1360 01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:31,280 stories or information. Um much like I'm sure the White Gang Club does. So it' be 1361 01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:34,719 would be ideal I think. >> Okay. And then we have uh one letter 1362 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:37,920 which um I don't think was really accessibility oriented but it's there 1363 01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:43,520 for information. >> Can we do my parking? 1364 01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:48,159 » Yes. Did I fly by that? >> Yeah. 1365 01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:50,800 » Oh yeah. Are you going to counselor GPD is gonna 1366 01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:55,440 » Yes. Go ahead. >> Yeah. So I just wanted to bring up the 1367 01:55:53,199 --> 01:56:00,560 and again I I realize that North Sanage is busy. They're they've got all sorts 1368 01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:04,960 of stuff going on. Part of the just a bit of a background in 2018 the province 1369 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:08,880 took accessible parking out of the building code and it was up to every 1370 01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:12,719 municipality, city, whatever to come up with their own accessible parking 1371 01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:19,440 standards. Um we started working with Sydney, North Sanich and and um central 1372 01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:25,119 Sanich and came up with accessibility plans that were kind of the best case 1373 01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:32,239 scenario. at the time Nor Sanich put one through that they followed the FCA B651 1374 01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:38,400 which was the the Canadian standard which we then found out was not optimal 1375 01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:43,679 but at that time North Sanage was putting it through with other bylaw 1376 01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:48,800 changes and they they were going to said no problem we'll just push this through 1377 01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:54,480 when we do the OCP we will improve on that 1378 01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:59,280 was 2019 So, we hit the pandemic, we hit new council, we hit new planners. Um, 1379 01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:05,760 nothing got changed. Um, we now have 1380 01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:11,440 we're we're going into another election cycle. There's this draft zoning bylaw 1381 01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:16,400 has been put forward and I did see that in it in um 1382 01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:21,360 the the draft zoning bylaw the accessible parking is under 404 in the 1383 01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:27,920 bylaw and they have just said that they are going to use the the SCAB 651 1384 01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:33,280 standard again which again is not the acceptable standard. Last July at the 1385 01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:39,760 SPACK meeting, we were told that North Sanage would harmonize with Central 1386 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:44,239 Sanage and Sydney's accessible parking. So, the reason I bring this up now is 1387 01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:50,800 because like the the expediency that Wayne Rogue was put through uh the 1388 01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:55,679 neglect to bring Wolf Orchard to us, I want to make sure that this draft zoning 1389 01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:59,840 bylaw doesn't get approved with this accessible parking standard. So I don't 1390 01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:06,000 know whether it's something that do I bring a a a recommendation that this 1391 01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:12,000 accessibility zoning bylaw is not accepted without 1392 01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:18,080 bringing it to SPAC for our input. Um because I as things stand right now 1393 01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:24,159 North Sanage does not have an accessible parking standard that allows me to park 1394 01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:28,880 anywhere with my Side Wrap van. Um, Sandown Center was a missed opportunity. 1395 01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:35,119 I don't go there because there's no parking for me. Um, the Roost just redid 1396 01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:39,119 their accessible parking at their place. Does not have parking for me. So, we've 1397 01:58:37,599 --> 01:58:43,119 missed an opportunity in this eight years that we've been not doing anything 1398 01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:48,560 with the accessible parking at North Sanage. We've missed opportunities. And 1399 01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:53,199 as we all know, once they've been done according to whatever the bylaw was when 1400 01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:57,440 they built it, that's what stands. So I just wanted to do I don't know 1401 01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:00,080 going forward I want to make sure we don't miss an opportunity with North 1402 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:05,280 Sage. >> So councelor DBT what what is it you 1403 01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:09,920 need from us to make that happen? >> I mean I think I think like other things 1404 01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:13,679 that you know I think we were getting to a really good place where we were just 1405 01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:18,000 expecting you know like central sage where they just automatically come. Uh 1406 01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:22,880 that hasn't been happening from us. So I think uh you know if Spack makes a 1407 01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:30,080 recommendation requesting that the zoning bylaw be presented and even in 1408 01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:33,119 that motion at a you know and I missed writing down the exact 1409 01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:36,000 » and that it be harmonized with the other two municipalities 1410 01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:39,599 » right and that can either come up out of that presentation and conversation or 1411 01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:45,119 that can just come up as part of the recommendation either of those are 1412 01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:52,000 a okay >> uh councelor O'Keefe Um just looking to 1413 01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:57,760 Mr. Nukem and from Central Sandwich. So have I think we have harmonized like 1414 01:59:55,040 --> 02:00:03,599 between does Sydney and Central Sanage have have we harmonized our accessible 1415 02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:09,719 parking? Is it >> I believe it's similar. 1416 02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:09,719 » Okay. 1417 02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:17,119 » Place council made a change or two that was 1418 02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:21,760 adopted. Okay. >> Okay. So, I guess one way of going at 1419 02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:30,400 So, there's something specific that you've identified. So you could we could 1420 02:00:25,599 --> 02:00:36,639 make a motion that Norah Sanage change the zoning bylaw or section blah blah 1421 02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:42,239 blah of the zoning bylaw related to whatever that se you know that standard 1422 02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:50,320 was or or just say that in instead of adopting that standard that North Sanich 1423 02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:56,000 adopt the accessible parking standards uh or or harmonize their accessible 1424 02:00:53,280 --> 02:01:00,639 parking standards with Sydney and Central Sanage. 1425 02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:04,480 » What what was mentioned to me is I think where North Sanich was having a bit of a 1426 02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:08,480 problem and it was told to me that they're different because they're rural. 1427 02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:13,840 I think where they didn't want to harmonize with Sydney and Central Sanage 1428 02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:20,719 was in the ratio of parking spaces and accessible 1429 02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:25,040 spaces, which to me, figure out figure out your ratios for your building, 1430 02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:31,679 whatever with your parking, but don't skimp on the actual size of 1431 02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:36,560 your parking. Right? >> So, I'm not sure why that would be. I 1432 02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:40,480 mean, if you're going to have a grocery store, whether it's in a rural area or 1433 02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:48,239 » Exactly. >> like sand down is like a shopping and 1434 02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:53,119 » so I just again uh so I don't know how my my impetus in bringing this is I just 1435 02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:57,920 wanted to make sure that this wouldn't progress any further in without it being 1436 02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:03,040 looked at and made sure that we're doing it in the best possible way. Um, so to 1437 02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:08,639 make a recommendation uh that SPACK recommends that North Sanage not proceed 1438 02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:14,880 with their um with the draft zoning bylaw accessible parking portion until 1439 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:18,880 they present it to to SPACK for >> it might be short it might be a shorter 1440 02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:23,199 route to do what councelor >> so so what I so what I was just to 1441 02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:25,360 finish my thought that kind of ran >> it must have been good because Anna 1442 02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:31,760 actually typed it >> to to make the specific recommendations 1443 02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:38,320 to harmonize their accessible parking with Sydney and Central Sanage. Make 1444 02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:43,119 that one. And then if you thought that there was other elements of the zoning 1445 02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:47,920 bylaw that were relevant, there's a whole pile of stuff in the zoning bylaw, 1446 02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:52,320 you don't want to be bothered. But if there was parts of that that you thought 1447 02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:57,360 should come to SPACK, then you could make a second recommendation that 1448 02:02:54,960 --> 02:03:01,840 sections, you know, that the the rest of the bylaw be referred to back for 1449 02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:06,239 additional review and comment from an accessibility perspective. 1450 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:10,159 So, but I don't know what is in their zoning bylaw and whether you have 1451 02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:14,639 something. >> I mean, I just it was all I could do to 1452 02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:22,360 zone in on the the draft bylaw and find the accessible parking. 1453 02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:22,360 Yeah. Or sorry 1454 02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:35,679 BC1 that we think is uh preferred or superior. 1455 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:39,520 You're shaking your head. No, >> we don't have a BC1. 1456 02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:43,440 » We That's what this whole the discussion came about a few years ago because there 1457 02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:46,960 used to be a provincial standard, right? And then the province said, "We're not 1458 02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:51,440 going to do that anymore. You municipalities decide what's best for 1459 02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:56,800 you." And so that's why there was all this kuffles in past meetings about, 1460 02:03:54,800 --> 02:04:02,400 okay, we were all doing different standards and had different ideas in our 1461 02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:06,239 minist. And so hence the desire for you know, Sydney and Central Sage did that. 1462 02:04:06,125 --> 02:04:10,719 [clears throat] >> And do you mind do you mind reading back 1463 02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:18,760 what councelor Keefe said initially and maybe it's good enough for it? Yes. 1464 02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:18,760 » North was there accessible park 1465 02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:26,239 » and should we add um before considering passing the the U 1466 02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:30,639 » well I I think there's there's two separate things. One is very specific to 1467 02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:34,080 parking but the other is accessibility as it pertains to the entire zoning. 1468 02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:38,320 » Yes. >> Accessibility is not just limited to 1469 02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:43,599 » Yes. Yeah. And so that's why I would suggest that a motion not be I mean the 1470 02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:47,599 recommendation council can >> Yeah. 1471 02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:53,040 Gotcha. >> Um but I think if the motion is to 1472 02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:57,360 request that the zoning bylaw be presented just like the other 1473 02:04:54,639 --> 02:05:01,599 municipalities have so that we can provide feedback so that SPAC can 1474 02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:07,440 provide feedback on all accessibility components within the zoning bylaw. 1475 02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:11,840 Then the report is not the entire zoning bylaw. It's everything that's related to 1476 02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:16,159 accessibility. And that way the report can present the powerpoint to be done up 1477 02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:21,760 and then it comes. Now I don't even have a timeline from staff yet as to when 1478 02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:26,080 we're going to see zoning by yet. So based on that I can suspect that it's 1479 02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:29,760 going to be a little while but we've all seen what's happened previously. So if 1480 02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:33,920 if there wants to be something a little more specific 1481 02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:38,800 as far as not to go to second reading until it's come back that can certainly 1482 02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:41,757 be done but I just don't know what the timeline 1483 02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:44,639 is. I think it's important that [clears throat] 1484 02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:49,360 » just like what Central Sage did with theirs, it actually comes from 1485 02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:52,679 accessibility like just those components comes back 1486 02:05:54,560 --> 02:06:01,440 » to add a little staff perspective on that motion. It's very wrong. 1487 02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:05,599 » Um there was a comment earlier about uh the the 1488 02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:10,000 number of spaces versus you know maybe the geometric considerations. So you 1489 02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:14,639 might want to think about specificity of it because I agree that you know the the 1490 02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:19,199 number of spaces required might be very different in no sanage in context than 1491 02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:25,199 it would be in Sydney for example >> and so are you asking for 1492 02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:30,040 the number of required spaces >> the motion by that it's very 1493 02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:39,199 » yeah again my thinking on that was again I I know the my only perspective I had 1494 02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:45,199 with North Sanich and the numbers was Sandown and they did ask for a variance 1495 02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:51,119 to change the numbers. Um I think both Central Sanich and um 1496 02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:55,520 and Sydney both say that no matter what the what the figuring out number was, 1497 02:06:52,880 --> 02:07:00,320 they couldn't adapt the accessible ones. They couldn't change the accessible ones 1498 02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:04,320 according to plan. So I don't I I mean I know for myself, yes, they might be 1499 02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:08,719 smaller numbers or whatever. So, I don't I don't necessarily know that it get 1500 02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:11,760 into the into the weeds of how many spaces there have to be, but I 1501 02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:16,000 definitely think we need to make sure that we're we're putting in accessible 1502 02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:18,400 spaces that work for >> We need to get to the motion and get it 1503 02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:23,760 done or we're going to miss >> get done. Is the standard that you 1504 02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:28,880 talked about was that this because was that the standard my recollection it was 1505 02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:29,679 in regards to what the spaces looked like? 1506 02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:35,920 » Yes. >> Right. and so how wide they would be 1507 02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:39,760 accessible aisles that sort of thing. So I think maybe that's what you want to to 1508 02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:46,719 Mr. point that spec specificity 1509 02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:53,280 » I was just worried about. >> Yeah, that's know it's too broad. Um, 1510 02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:56,400 » so the way to get about that might be am I going to have I'm really going to have 1511 02:07:54,800 --> 02:08:03,840 to leave because I got somebody showing up in my house at 10 minutes. Um but 1512 02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:11,920 would be to adjust the motion to say um uh for North Sanage to 1513 02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:18,079 amend or in in consideration of their zoning bylaw instead of using standard 1514 02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:26,000 blah blah blah >> the standard uh harmonize that with uh 1515 02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:31,119 Sydney and North Sanish because that doesn't get into the number of spaces. 1516 02:08:27,679 --> 02:08:36,000 is that only relates to the width of the space, the accessible aisles, how 1517 02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:42,159 they're marked and identified. >> So maybe that's the way around that. And 1518 02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:46,639 then the number of spots, that's a whole other other thing. 1519 02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:52,360 » Can you read off the uh the uh standard number again for 1520 02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:52,360 » CSA B651? 1521 02:08:57,119 --> 02:09:05,360 Okay, we have a motion seconder. Mr. Wellland, 1522 02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:09,239 any discussion? All the question all in favor? 1523 02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:17,199 Carried. >> Good. We lost all of our people here. 1524 02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:21,040 » I think just I know everybody's got to go the last minute, but I think 1525 02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:24,239 Batista's comment about having the zoning bylaw back. 1526 02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:30,280 » Oh, yeah. Another motion. That's a good idea. lost somewhere on that whether 1527 02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:36,079 » make the motion. >> Sure, I'll make the motion. 1528 02:09:33,119 --> 02:09:39,280 » I'll second. >> Yeah. No, fair enough. 1529 02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:44,800 » SPAC recommends that the district of North Sanage present the accessibility 1530 02:09:42,239 --> 02:09:48,400 portions of the zoning bylaw to SPACK prior to adoption 1531 02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:53,480 » or just say refer the zoning bylaw. Don't say the accessibility because 1532 02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:58,880 » that's why you say the accessibility component because you don't want to sit 1533 02:09:56,639 --> 02:10:02,079 here and read 400 pages of a zoning bylaw. 1534 02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:05,920 » I think one the components that are related to accessibility 1535 02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:07,199 » and referent. >> Yeah. 1536 02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:09,760 » Referred. Yeah. >> Yeah. 1537 02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:13,040 » Okay. >> Okay. 1538 02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:21,239 » Seconder I guess. Okay. Charlie discussion 1539 02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,239 all in favor 1540 02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:26,719 carried and u motion for adjournment. 1541 02:10:25,375 --> 02:10:29,920 [clears throat] >> Lots of people. 1542 02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:32,000 » We got to go. We're >> out of here. 1543 02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:34,639 » Thank you everybody. >> Thank you.