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respectfully acknowledge that we are

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meeting today on the traditional

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territories of the Vasanish people

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comprising the Saudin

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and Malahhat First Nations who have

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lived on a steward of the Sanish

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Peninsula since time and memorial.

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First item on the agenda is approval of

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the agenda.

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It's been circulated. Can I have a

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motion to approve it?

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Councelor Batista.

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» Agenda.

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» Oh, that's right. Yeah. Um,

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sorry, Councelor Batista. I um I forgot

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that we're moving uh item number eight

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up after 4 A. So, it'll be u I guess

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we'll call it five and move the other

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ones down. It'll still be the same.

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» So, so what is it? 8A.

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» Uh 8A because the uh people who are

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» Okay. May I entertain a motion uh to

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approve the agenda as what have I done

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» Oh, you're doing great. I think

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» It Okay. Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. So,

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agenda. um looking for and and

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discussing the um accessible parking um

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zoning bylaw at North Sanage just to

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looking for an update on that.

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» Do we um make that

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» Yes, we'll make item 18.

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» Now we're good. Seeing no more changes,

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agenda as uh amended.

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Uh approval of the minutes. I did note

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one uh spelling error

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that changes [clears throat] the meaning

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a little bit. So I'll mention that in

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um the word accessibly

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is noted in two places and it should be

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in both cases accessibility

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a bit of a discussion with staff on this

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already but um some of the feedback back

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that I've been getting on on minutes

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from mayor, CEO, and others is that it

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needs the recommendations

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or the motions that were uh putting

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forward need to be clear so they can

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understand what it is. um were were kind

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so um so instead of saying in the

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minutes, you know, uh feedback was given

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to central Senate on this active

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transportation plan or whatever it is

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that the following feedback was provided

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and then just in bullets so that you

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know council can see what it is is the

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feedback um that's provided and then

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also similarly in um in in the uh the

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motions need to be clear. So the one of

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the motions that was problematic, it was

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discussion of uh that that the

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municipalities would discuss

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accessibility concerns with the airport.

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were the concerns? I said, "Oh, I think

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there was something about this or that."

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» Yeah. So, just for us to be uh mindful

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when we're making the motions and making

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our points, but that's clear.

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because I get them first.

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» I'll review them with that in mind, too.

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late. You're right on time.

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Entertain a motion for approval of the

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and Charlene. All in favor?

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Um against any carried.

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Okay. The next item will then be the uh

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right fit program presentation. I

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believe. Are they

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uh prepared? Is Lindsay with us?

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» Oh, hi Linds.

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» Can you hear me? Hello.

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» Yeah, that was good.

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» Hi. Um, yeah, my program manager I think

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is running a minute or two late, but I

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can go ahead and get started to just

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make sure you guys are on track for your

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meeting. Oh, there she is. Perfect

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» Hi, Isabelle. We're just about to get

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started on our presentation now. Good

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every good morning everyone.

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» Um should I go ahead and share my

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Great. Excellent. Okay. Well, uh good

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morning everyone. We're very excited to

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to be here. Thank you for welcome. Oh,

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somebody waiting in the lobby.

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Uh we're very excited to to be here and

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present the right fit program. So, thank

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you for making uh space in your agenda

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for us. So, um you can go to to the next

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lagging a bit. Is it okay? No worries.

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excited to be joined by Lindseay Simpson

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who's uh the CRD housing coordinator for

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for DABC for for the right fed. So, um

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we're we're pretty very happy to be here

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with you today. Um, I just want to give

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you a bit of overview of Disability

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Alliance BC. I don't know how much you

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know about DABC

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um here, but we're uh provincial

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disability voice since 1977. So, we've

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been around for a long time. And our

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organization supports people with all

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disabilities to live with dignity,

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independence, and as equal and full

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participants in the community. Uh, DABC

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offers a really wide range of programs.

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extensively because we have a limited

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time. Um but we help we support um

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people with disabilities with a a number

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of uh programs, tax aid, we have a

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disability law clinic uh that provides

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free legal advice to people with

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disabilities. Um we have an access

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advocacy access program which supports

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their PWD applications. Uh we have a

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program also that supports people with

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disability to access the uh DTC

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disability tax credit and we also manage

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the right fit program which is the

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program that brings us here today. Next.

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Yeah. Uh okay. So what is the right fit?

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addresses the crisis in accessible

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housing. And we address this crisis by

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matching affordable accessible homes and

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independent living supports with people

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who need it in the lower mainland and

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accessible units go to people who really

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every available unit to make sure that

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it's truly accessible, but also to get a

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better understanding of what's what's

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available out there, increase housing

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affordability, uh address the supply

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gap, and also raise awareness about

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housing accessibility.

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the right fit program about almost 10

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users were facing um incredible

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securing accessible housing. Uh first of

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accessible affordable housing being u uh

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complicated. you have to have time to

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features they have. So uh the right fed

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by creating that centralized inventory

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of accessible units. Next slide please.

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uh DABC oversees and managed the right

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fit program but we're guided for Metro

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Vancouver by a steering committee that

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everything we do. So we have a number of

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member organizations. It includes BC

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housing uh MSDPR, the health

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VRS, which is a housing provider. And

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we're now because we're now expanding

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we're currently forming an advisory

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committee uh for the CRD to help ensure

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the unique needs of the of the region.

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Next slide, please. Thank you.

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Vancouver? The DABC has been partnering

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with a a group called the Individualized

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Funding Resource Center society, what we

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call the IFRC. The IFRC is a um an

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organizations that's led by people with

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disabilities and and they in in the

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Vancouver region, they manage the aspect

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of the peer-led navigation model. and

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client intakes and housing placement. I

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will uh uh go back to that uh what that

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intake process and peer-led navigation

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model looks like. But then the CRD we

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have we're very proud to have initiated

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a partnership with the Victoria

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Disability Resource Center VDRC. and

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VDRC will help connect the RightFit

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program with community resources,

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housing providers, wheelchair users, and

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um will also help uh strengthen some of

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our local referral pathways to to

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support our peer-led navigation model

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and uh the VDRC will also co-chair our

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ad advisory committee in in the CRD. Uh

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I should also mention that uh uh

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Lindseay our CRD housing coordinator is

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her office is housed within the office

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of uh VDRC.

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Next slide please.

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» Uh this is just a bit of a history of

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our program. Um I I don't need to go in

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great detail uh into this but we we

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started in as I mentioned almost 10

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years ago in 2017. We started as a pilot

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project to really test the approach of

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what we wanted to do and then in 2020 we

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transitioned from being a pilot to uh

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being the right fit program and since

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then we have really become the one-stop

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uh hub for housing providers, tenants,

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uh service providers, uh everything uh

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accessible housing related. Um I must

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say that we we um there was a research

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study that was done a couple years ago

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by in u in Ontario by university um

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there and they surveyed and really took

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a scan of all services existing for

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accessible housing in in Canada and they

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identified that the right fit program

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was the only program in Canada that does

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what what we do. So we're we're very

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proud of uh of being uh the model and

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the reference but at the same time have

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mixed feelings about the fact that

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there's no other program like ours in

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the rest of uh of the country. Um we

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also now maintains the only existing

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centralized inventory of accessible

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units in the lower mainland with the

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standardized accessibility checklist

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tool. I will come back to that. Um and

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then um I guess our next chapter is

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2026. We're now expanding beyond Metro

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Vancouver and expanding into the capital

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regional district. So everything that

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we've done in Metro Vancouver, we're

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looking to replicate in uh in the CRD,

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including the development of an

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inventory of accessible and adaptable

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housing for for the CRD. Next slide,

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please.

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Thank you. So I just wanted to talk

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about our approach, the right fit

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approach because it's quite quite unique

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because we operate both on the supply

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side and the demand side. So we we match

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our main goal is to match accessible

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homes with the right tenants and this is

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what we call the right fit. We're

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ensuring the right fit for each unit. Uh

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we help wheelchair users find homes that

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meet their accessibility needs. And what

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I'd like to say about that is that each

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unit that we um find um is different. Um

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they they may not have all full

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accessibility features. Some of the

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units might be adaptable universal

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design. Well, we take a look at all of

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these units. Uh we we don't just look at

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fully fully accessible units just

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because you never know what what will be

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the right fit to our clients. They might

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all be wheelchair users, but they have

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very diverse needs. So, so we want to

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make sure we have um a broad supply of

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units to be able to match our clients to

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those units. So, we also help streamline

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access to home support, services, and

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equipment. We provide personalized

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support from intake uh to move in with

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our dedicated client navigators and we

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build and maintain that inventory of

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accessible housing with our checklist.

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So, we'll go back to that. Next slide,

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please.

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uh our eligibility criteria in terms of

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uh as a client to come into our program.

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So applicants for now must be full-time

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power or manual wheelchair users

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including using their chair at home

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where uh in the midst of slightly

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revising those those criteria but this

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for now our our criteria and applicants

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must live in uh uh Vancouver House,

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Fraser House or now Island Health

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authorities. So the full CRD uh

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geographical scope, so the 30

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municipalities as well as the three EAS

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electoral areas. We have no age

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restrictions. We have no income limit or

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um income requirement and PWD

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eligibility is not required for for our

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program.

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Um as I mentioned, we have developed

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over the years a very unique

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peer-to-peer navigation model. We feel

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it's very important to provide

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peer-to-peer support for a person with

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disability. Um, and the reason for that

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is the journey to transition into

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stable, affordable, accessible housing

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is is very complex and there's a lot of

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uh challenges. So we we want to make

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sure we build trust um with our clients

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and learn about this individual

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situation so we can successfully help uh

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wheelchair users living in

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non-accessible housing make a successful

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transition into accessible housing. So,

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we help individuals identify where they

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want to live, the amenities that are

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important to them, the social networks,

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the kind of neighborhoods they want, but

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also we're going to be learning about

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their specific disabilities because, as

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I mentioned, even though they may all be

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wheelchair users, they have very

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different needs um and mobility range.

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Um, so it's important for us to to

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capture that. So uh one of the uh

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clientele we're serving where we have a

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um in Vancouver at least uh a large

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number of uh uh families so where the

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wheelchair user is a child um a young

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child so the support the supporting

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individuals are not wheelchair users. So

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when we look at placing the specific

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clients into units uh they may not

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require the full range of accessible uh

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features but they might prioritize

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certain features and the size of the

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units over the accessibility features.

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This is why it's so important to have a

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a variety of units to uh uh in our

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inventory to to be able to match our

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clients. Uh next slide please.

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So a little bit more on that navigation

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uh model. We uh we we assist Wilshshire

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users in completing application forms

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and navigating BC housing applications

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and all these complicated uh paperwork

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that they have to uh to go through. We

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review these available units that we

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have in our inventory and we match

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applicants with homes that suits their

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specific accessibly needs. We help them

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uh um gather required documents for

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housing providers. We accompani clients

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through housing interviews and we

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provide support uh to the client from

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the initial intake to the final move in.

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We also help facilitate home supports uh

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to in securing traditional home supports

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and we also refer clients to uh what we

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call the CEO program choices in support

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for independent um living program

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through the IFRC

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and we also help with equipment support.

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So um often wheelchair users will need

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uh electric beds, grab bars, some uh uh

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track ceiling lifts. all sorts of uh

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specific equipment needs. And so we we

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and that they need to have in place when

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they move in, which is why before they

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can't act couldn't accessible units

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because the time it takes to to align

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get everything aligned at the same time.

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So we help with fasttracking with those

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processes and we also help facilitate

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installation of um environmental

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controls um as well as door openers as

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well. So a number of of uh additional

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assistive technology.

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So what have we accomplished so far? So

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we've been in existence since 2017. So

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we uh we um uh we um we've updated those

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numbers. Sorry, there was a note there,

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[laughter]

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but we made 214 successful housing

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matches since we existed. That's these

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are the lower mainland uh numbers. And

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uh we will um we'll hope to to just

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starting now in the CRD. So uh so we'll

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be starting matching clients and finding

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accessible housing now. Um and what I

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will just say on this slide is that

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we're very proud to have uh made that

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many matches so far. Um but we also have

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uh prevented a significant numbers of

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individuals from becoming homeless. So

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homeless uh prevention is a um very much

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a focus of our work and so we uh we

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really uh are very proactive and and

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work with u uh the homelessness sector

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to to really support individuals um uh

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that are on the ver at imminent risk of

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homeless or being homeless to transition

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into accessible housing. Uh next slide

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please.

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» Yeah. So, and now I'm going to pass it

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on to Lindsay who's going to tell you a

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bit more about the what we do on the

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housing provider side. Thank you.

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» Yeah. So, in addition to supporting the

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clients, we also support local housing

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providers. So, we work directly with

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housing providers to help um identify

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suitable tenants for them by comparing

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their accessible unit against our client

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intake, which allows us to simplify the

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matching process for them and and take a

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little bit of work off their hands. So

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when we a housing provider reaches out

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to us or we reach out to them and they

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mention that they have an accessible

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unit, we'll coordinate completing our

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DAPC accessibility checklist and

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maintain an inventory of those units. So

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we overall off uh serve as a resource

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for housing providers by both um helping

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them learn a little bit more about

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accessibility through our checklist and

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then also helping them find the right

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tenant for them and support them through

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the process of that tenant application.

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So I'll go a little bit into our

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checklist, but the ultimate goal is to

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better understand the supply and create

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a more detailed inventory of the

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accessible unit supply. So when we go to

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a unit that may look like the one in

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this picture, we create a detailed

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account of the unit. So we'll measure

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the turning radius and counter heights,

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uh the space for kitchen knee or uh knee

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cutouts under kitchen sinks and stoves

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where um outlets are located. It will

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also list the building amenities and

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neighborhood amenities and then also

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track more standard uh apartment things

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such as pet policies and smoking

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policies.

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And then so the checklist ultimately

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yeah provides a detailed account of the

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unit and its accessibility features. And

549
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:54,080
then we can go through our client

550
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,840
database and find the right fit um

551
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,159
client for that unit because we have

552
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:01,039
detailed intake of both the unit and the

553
00:23:58,159 --> 00:24:02,559
client. And then once we have identified

554
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,480
a match, we will pass the client

555
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:06,640
information to the housing provider

556
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,520
because that allows them to retain full

557
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:12,480
control over uh selecting their tenant

558
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:14,000
um and still giving them uh agency in

559
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:18,240
doing that as well. But we do still

560
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:20,080
support through the application process.

561
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,840
And overall, yeah, the tool the

562
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,919
checklist acts as a tool for improving

563
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,279
accessibility. I've already found from

564
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:28,240
doing a few of these checklists in the

565
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:30,159
CRD, uh, completing the checklist allows

566
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,919
myself and the housing provider to have

567
00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:34,720
a more detailed conversation about

568
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:36,080
accessibility. And I learn things based

569
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,559
on their experience and they learn

570
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:40,320
things based on our experience. And I

571
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:42,000
think it uh just creates a good

572
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,760
conversation around what true

573
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,799
accessibility looks like within a part

574
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,640
in an apartment or a home.

575
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:50,559
And yeah, we can also work with them to

576
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,400
adapt and modify units. And then

577
00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,559
hopefully like in the Lower Mainland,

578
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,880
the CRD, we can create a centralized

579
00:24:54,559 --> 00:25:00,360
inventory of accessible units for for

580
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,360
wheelchair users

581
00:25:02,559 --> 00:25:09,360
and I'll pass it back to Isabelle.

582
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:11,360
» Uh thank you, Lind. Yes. So overall

583
00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:13,760
really I mean this the RightFair program

584
00:25:11,360 --> 00:25:16,240
is very much a multi-dimensional

585
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,559
uh program, but we we're also looking to

586
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,039
really build knowledge uh on accessible

587
00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:22,880
housing. there's a so much different

588
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:26,960
definitions out there and it's an

589
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:30,080
evolving uh um conversation. So we uh we

590
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:34,080
we feel that beyond matching uh clients

591
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:35,760
to uh to accessible units, we we feel

592
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,279
it's within our mandate to educate

593
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,840
stakeholders on the importance of

594
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:43,840
accessible housing, inclusive design and

595
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:45,760
the impact. Um, we also want to build

596
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,919
awareness and partnerships by really

597
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,080
showcasing the program's benefits and

598
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:53,200
encouraing encouraging collaboration

599
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:55,039
around the housing sector. Um, promote

600
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,600
accessible housing solutions and also

601
00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:01,679
gain insights to inform program

602
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:05,600
improvements. Um, next I I should

603
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:08,720
mention as well that we as part of our

604
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,919
uh learning and and and sharing what

605
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:14,080
what we um uh the work we do and the

606
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:16,320
gaps in accessible housing and and

607
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:19,279
informing that conversation. We

608
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:21,840
undertake um a survey of our place

609
00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:24,880
clients. So after a client is placed

610
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:27,840
after 6 months 6 months mark we will go

611
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:30,640
in and visit them into the home where

612
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:33,600
we've placed them and we will uh uh do

613
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:36,240
an inerson survey about uh the the

614
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:39,679
impact of the program uh but also we

615
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:42,880
will uh uh look at better understanding

616
00:26:39,679 --> 00:26:45,360
uh whether what what what has changed in

617
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,279
their in their lives after they've been

618
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:48,799
placed. So, has their physical health

619
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:52,159
improved? Has their sense of

620
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:54,720
independence improved? Um, has their

621
00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:56,880
community integration better? So, we're

622
00:26:54,720 --> 00:27:00,720
looking at those key quality of life

623
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:03,360
indicators, but we're also looking at

624
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,400
how well the unit we've been placed them

625
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:09,360
into is is doing. Are there are they

626
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:11,919
able to now navigate their new home

627
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:13,360
safely or are do they still have some

628
00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:16,320
challenges? And what are those

629
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:19,520
challenges? And that is incredibly

630
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:22,000
useful information for us because that

631
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:25,039
ultimately will allow us to take that

632
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:27,120
back to uh the housing sector and

633
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:30,720
planning departments and and just say

634
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:32,480
hey we we find that all new buildings uh

635
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,960
uh accessible units within those

636
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:37,440
buildings say um half of those don't

637
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,520
have door openers and and we see that as

638
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:42,240
a gap for example. So we can make

639
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,880
further recommendations on on to how to

640
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,960
improve accessibility features within uh

641
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:50,000
within those units and the buildings

642
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:53,039
where we place uh wheelchair users. Uh

643
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,880
next slide.

644
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:57,120
Yes. So I mean that was a bit of a

645
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,120
really short version there of uh

646
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,720
everything we do. There's a lot more. So

647
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,559
what I want to say though is that we're

648
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,360
we're very excited to finally be

649
00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:08,399
expanding into the CRD. We know there's

650
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:10,720
a huge need there and and we're really

651
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:12,880
looking forward to to working with with

652
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:15,039
you all in in terms of building our

653
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,159
inventory of accessible and adaptable

654
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:21,360
units uh connecting with um with

655
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:24,240
organizations and overall really forming

656
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:26,080
uh local uh relationships and

657
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:29,200
partnerships to to really support

658
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:31,360
wheelchair users uh transition into into

659
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,279
um units that that meet their needs. So,

660
00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:36,240
we'll we'll have you have our contact

661
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:38,399
information there. Um um if you want to

662
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,000
learn more, we have a website and uh

663
00:28:38,399 --> 00:28:42,320
social media. We're in the process of

664
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,679
updating our website now with all the

665
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,039
information about what we're doing in

666
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:49,760
the CRD. Uh so, I'll stop here and if

667
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:52,159
you have questions for us, we we'd love

668
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,520
to have a conversation.

669
00:28:52,159 --> 00:28:55,200
Thank you very much.

670
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,960
» Thank you.

671
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,039
» Presentation, we're we're thrilled that

672
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,440
you've come across the pond to uh

673
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,960
Vancouver Island. That's great. Any

674
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,559
questions from committee members?

675
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,840
Councelor O'Keefe.

676
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:09,840
» Yes. Um, councelor uh, Cherry O'Keefe,

677
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,919
thank you for the presentation. I'm

678
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,399
really excited that you're here on the

679
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:17,120
island. I had talked to um, the folks

680
00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:18,799
running your program in Vancouver a

681
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,360
couple years ago and I think we had a

682
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:23,600
discussion at this committee about that

683
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:26,640
and how we could uh, get an inventory.

684
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:30,640
So, great to have you here. Um, what I'm

685
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:32,559
wondering is, so in town of Sydney

686
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:36,960
anyways, I'm not sure about other

687
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:40,240
municipalities, we uh require developers

688
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,640
of new buildings to make 20% of the

689
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,080
units adaptable.

690
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:49,360
And the thing that I've kind of

691
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:51,520
struggled with is that we haven't we

692
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,720
they make these adaptable but as you

693
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:58,159
said uh I don't think very many of them

694
00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:01,760
go to people who actually need them. So,

695
00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:06,720
how have have you had any discussion or

696
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:09,679
any ideas about how um we would be

697
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,240
whether it would be you or the town

698
00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:14,480
communicating with the the builders of

699
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:17,840
these new units

700
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:20,559
um to get them into your inventory? Any

701
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,159
ideas how you you might see that

702
00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:24,320
working?

703
00:30:22,159 --> 00:30:27,039
It's such a great question and I do

704
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,360
remember us connecting um two or three

705
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:31,600
years ago and having this conversation.

706
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,520
Yeah, it was with me. So I'm really

707
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,200
thrilled actually to pursue this

708
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,960
conversation because we had such a

709
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:40,799
productive conversation and you had

710
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:42,480
shared back then with us that you know

711
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:46,559
exactly what you just said the challenge

712
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:49,840
of of a having these units being built

713
00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:51,679
but having no handle over what what's

714
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,320
happening after they being built. Are

715
00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:57,279
they actually going to uh to the people

716
00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:00,320
who need them the most? And and this is

717
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:03,120
really a gap that we're have identified.

718
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,159
It's true of the lower mainland as well

719
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:08,000
is that you know we have these grid

720
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:10,480
units that are coming onto the market

721
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,640
now. Uh but we have no way of knowing

722
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,320
whether those units are going to the

723
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,799
people who need them. And as a result,

724
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:19,840
you sort of if they don't, you're sort

725
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:22,799
of self perpetuating the the problem

726
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:25,039
there because our weight lists of people

727
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:27,600
waiting for accessible units continue to

728
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,840
grow and the accessible units are being

729
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,279
built, but they invariably goes to

730
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,080
people who just don't need those

731
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:36,799
features and and sadly will once they're

732
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:39,120
in the unit, they will actually revert.

733
00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:41,360
they will convert those features into

734
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,760
something that fit their needs that are

735
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:47,279
have nothing to do with accessibility.

736
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:50,480
So um the way to address that I mean of

737
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:53,039
course I mean our advocacy part is to

738
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:56,552
really would would be great to require

739
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:58,320
more um accountability

740
00:31:56,552 --> 00:32:00,240
[clears throat] on the post occupancy on

741
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,919
the occupancy of these units so that it

742
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,960
goes to the people who need that you

743
00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:06,000
know so there's some bit of

744
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,720
accountability on on how these units are

745
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,799
being filled but the best way is to work

746
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:14,640
with these housing providers or

747
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:17,360
developers and and get them to connect

748
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,960
with us really and and I don't know I

749
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,440
mean in terms of requirements and

750
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,640
whether you're able to require them to

751
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:27,519
to do this but the the ideal scenario is

752
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:30,000
that they reach out to the right fit and

753
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:32,640
say okay we have all these units can you

754
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,200
help us fill them with with people who

755
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,799
need uh those units and we'll do that

756
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,640
we'll do the the matching I mean we'll

757
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:43,600
we'll help with that um or we can um you

758
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:46,480
can give us a list as well of these

759
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:48,399
units and who build them and we can um

760
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,360
contact the developers the housing

761
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:52,960
providers ourselves and uh and LIN say

762
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:55,679
will do that she'll she'll go and visit

763
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,960
the units she'll uh she'll take notes of

764
00:32:55,679 --> 00:32:58,960
all the accessibility feature or

765
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,120
adaptable features that'll make it to

766
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:03,360
the our inventory and then we can start

767
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,440
the process of matching. So uh so either

768
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:08,480
way it can be uh initiated by the

769
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,960
housing providers themselves or if you

770
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,039
give them all the the lists we can uh

771
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,279
initiate contacts ourselves with the

772
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:17,919
housing providers.

773
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:21,279
Have you had any discussions with the

774
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:24,799
real estate associations or of the urban

775
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:28,559
development institution or or institute

776
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:33,519
um in ter which represents developers or

777
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:37,120
or people selling or these kind of units

778
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:39,919
um or rental agencies to

779
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:44,880
you know have some sort of designation

780
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:46,399
on the listings um for accessibility.

781
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,519
Is that something that's being

782
00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:49,679
considered?

783
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:53,279
» Yes. Yes, we're Yeah, we have had we

784
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:56,559
we've reached out to the U UDI, I think.

785
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:58,799
Is it? Yeah. The Yeah. And then uh the

786
00:33:56,559 --> 00:34:01,279
the real estate association. We we're

787
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:04,799
look we're we're in the rental market

788
00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:09,040
more than um than units that are meant

789
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:12,720
to be sold. Uh but certainly we uh yeah

790
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,599
we we support renters um rather than um

791
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:17,839
uh people who are looking to to to to

792
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:20,000
purchase units. Uh but yes, we've had

793
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:22,240
this conversation that's part of the odd

794
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,320
ridge. So in Vancouver we have um an

795
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:28,320
accessible housing coordinator and

796
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,480
she'll contact um the all the groups uh

797
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,839
including the the co-ops as well

798
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,800
association. We actually did a

799
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:37,280
presentation in the CRD with a a co-op

800
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:39,200
um a me a group um a number of members

801
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,520
of of co-ops as well to let them know

802
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:44,720
about our program. So we'll really

803
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:47,679
encourage um all these players, the

804
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:50,079
developers, the housing providers, the

805
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:52,480
nonprofit association of um housing

806
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:54,960
providers, all of these to to connect

807
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,359
with us and let us know about the units

808
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,119
they have um so we can educate them

809
00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:01,974
about that. Yeah, absolutely.

810
00:34:59,119 --> 00:35:01,974
» Okay. Thank you. [clears throat]

811
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:06,720
And I presume property management

812
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,760
companies would be part of that list.

813
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,440
» Absolutely. Yeah.

814
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,200
» Yeah.

815
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,960
» So we're really looking to build those

816
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,480
connection in the CR because this is

817
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,800
what we've done in the in the lower

818
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:19,440
mainland but in the CR we're just

819
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,880
building that. So it will be fantastic

820
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:25,040
if you know um uh offline lean sick can

821
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,880
have a further conversation with you on

822
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,839
how you can facilitate those those

823
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:33,119
contacts uh with those developers that

824
00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:36,000
do um that are required to build those

825
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,920
uh 20% of adaptable units. So we we get

826
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,909
our hands on this unit and can follow

827
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,119
through.

828
00:35:39,909 --> 00:35:42,640
[clears throat]

829
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,440
» Councelor Newton, you had a question.

830
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:47,920
» Uh yeah, thank you chair.

831
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,000
I think you might have answered my

832
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,440
question with that last comment, but I

833
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:56,079
guess um

834
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:58,640
when when the applications come forward

835
00:35:56,079 --> 00:36:02,240
to the municipalities,

836
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:04,480
uh how is it like obviously

837
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:05,839
they're identified in the building plans

838
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,520
when it comes forward for the

839
00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:09,680
application, but is there a flag or

840
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,400
something to follow through to that

841
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:14,240
follow-up about which specific

842
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,079
units have the features that are

843
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:18,800
required and How is that related? I've

844
00:36:16,079 --> 00:36:21,440
been super excited about this inventory

845
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,880
being coming on stream for the CRD and

846
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,560
you know I know councelor O'Keefe talked

847
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,720
about this before but

848
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:29,280
» Um I guess how how is the follow through

849
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:32,000
about once communities require

850
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,000
accessible or adaptable units how are

851
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,320
they identified and does that then get

852
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:39,440
to you for that information purposes?

853
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:41,520
» Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is so I guess

854
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,680
what you're describing is that when

855
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,680
you're you're doing the application

856
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,680
review, if I understand you correctly,

857
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,400
you review this application and then you

858
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:53,119
ask those developers to say 20% of these

859
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,280
units need to be adoptable, right? So,

860
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:58,960
is that what you're you're doing? And

861
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:01,280
then okay, so what's what's your

862
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,680
process? I mean, I'm sorry I'm answering

863
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:06,320
your question by asking you a question,

864
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:10,160
but how what what happens from that

865
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:12,240
point? Do you do you just um uh they say

866
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,560
okay yeah we'll be the 20%. Do you have

867
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:17,280
any kind of followup or you have nothing

868
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,440
at that point or you just Yeah. How what

869
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,920
happens on your end of things?

870
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,560
» Sure. That's probably a a gap.

871
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,880
» I think I'm gonna throw our director of

872
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,040
planning on the spot here and give him a

873
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:31,839
moment to collect his thought. Uh but

874
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,599
it's I should have identified a score

875
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,880
» With the district of central sanage and

876
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,160
our requirements are a bit different

877
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,480
than Sydney's but

878
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:41,599
» We still do have some uh so I guess I'd

879
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,920
be curious about how going forward to

880
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:45,680
identify the specific units within an

881
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,079
application to come forward and then my

882
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,400
follow-up question is around the changes

883
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:52,640
to the VC building code

884
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,440
» Um does that improve things to make all

885
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,200
of them accessible or adaptable or not

886
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:02,079
but the first question is just how to

887
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:04,000
identify once the units are prescribed.

888
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,800
Where's the follow through to identify

889
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,079
them

890
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,320
» To the public?

891
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:10,560
» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this is the the

892
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,320
gap would been exactly trying to address

893
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:17,839
in in the lower mainland is that there

894
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:22,480
is this allocated number of units. And

895
00:38:17,839 --> 00:38:27,200
then what we want to do is is really um

896
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:30,240
uh get in touch early on with um the

897
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,320
developer the and then know okay we and

898
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:34,800
get in touch with them directly and then

899
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,839
let us know okay we have these 20 units

900
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:40,400
coming up will you help them fill them

901
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:43,200
with with um wheelchair users

902
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,920
essentially so so we we're getting some

903
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,680
lists from municipalities essentially

904
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,400
the individual municipalities

905
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,920
They let us know, okay, we we know we

906
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,160
have this developer, we have this

907
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,520
building coming up, this new building.

908
00:38:54,160 --> 00:39:01,280
Um we have allocated that many units and

909
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:04,160
then they pass on the information for

910
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:07,839
the um the contact person essentially

911
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:09,520
and then we follow up directly with um

912
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:11,599
with the the the the housing

913
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,839
representative there uh and then ask

914
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:16,400
them about their their available units

915
00:39:13,839 --> 00:39:17,520
and then um and then we visit them.

916
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,440
sometimes they're still under

917
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,280
construction somehow and then that's

918
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,920
when they those units make it to our

919
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:27,119
inventory. So, so we're we're the ones

920
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:29,680
trying to to get a handle of of those

921
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:31,200
actual units, know what building which

922
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,040
buildings they are, know the square

923
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:37,040
footage, how many and then um get this

924
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,240
information all collected in our

925
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,640
inventory so that we can we can match

926
00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:45,200
essentially uh those units to to people

927
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:48,320
who need them. So uh so essentially it

928
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:50,960
will um uh it'll come but it has to be a

929
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,800
collaboration. So that's why we're doing

930
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,200
exactly this presentation today is with

931
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,280
the hope that we can work together and

932
00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,800
NI will follow up but you you can help

933
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,640
us identify uh these um these projects

934
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,800
essentially early on so we can we can

935
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,560
make that happen.

936
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,160
» Okay. So then there's a followup and I'm

937
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,760
going to now go to the director of

938
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,960
planning for central Sanch and say is

939
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:14,640
there a way to liaz with an organization

940
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,480
like this about once we get the

941
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,680
application come forward and say we've

942
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:22,160
got you know 32 units or 11 units or

943
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,160
whatever it happens to be um to share

944
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,839
that information with as part of sort of

945
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,119
building the inventory.

946
00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:30,400
» Exactly. Yeah. There there there is

947
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:34,320
certainly that would be we could build

948
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:36,320
that into our um application sort of

949
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,480
completionism.

950
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,320
Um one thing we do is we share something

951
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,160
with the CRD. We share a lot of housing

952
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:46,160
data all the CRD. So a CRD could

953
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,960
potentially be an avenue if every

954
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:51,680
municipality has a similar um structure

955
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:53,520
because they do set

956
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,520
housing

957
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520
and

958
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,720
the thought occurred to me as we're as

959
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,920
we're having this conversation. So

960
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:06,160
everyone is valid in the province

961
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,520
housing information to the province. You

962
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,359
have to do your housing targets and

963
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,680
reporting that every year our course

964
00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:14,319
council next week

965
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,359
» That would be an ideal avenue if the

966
00:41:14,319 --> 00:41:18,880
province wanted to take a role. But um

967
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:21,520
you take a role and that being a

968
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,839
component of that

969
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,839
how many access

970
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:33,359
the entire profits for this it's not on

971
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:35,760
their radar that's not something they

972
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:38,160
collect affordable housing supporting

973
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,040
number of rental units number of number

974
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:43,280
of units overall

975
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,880
guess the level of bedrooms but it

976
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:46,319
doesn't touch on adaptability or

977
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,920
accessibility

978
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:53,680
MI could easily be added and

979
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:55,440
wide and very accessible

980
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:57,440
but that's that's just that thought it's

981
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,560
not in place so I think there would need

982
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,760
to be quite a bit of work done

983
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,800
individually I think the challenge with

984
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,720
doing it individually though is it's at

985
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,240
I guess it is at there's no requirement

986
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:08,079
for municipalities to report that

987
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,720
information right now so the province

988
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:12,240
could put that in place and second

989
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,880
report it differently some could do it

990
00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:16,240
some couldn't so see it be really

991
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,160
challenging

992
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:21,760
um to be comprehensive on it. You might

993
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,839
get some municipalities doing it, some

994
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,160
not. So that's a challenge.

995
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:26,240
» Sure.

996
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,960
» That seems to be something that could be

997
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:33,359
advocated at UBCM for something like

998
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:35,760
that. But um in the meantime for the

999
00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:37,040
local governments and certainly the the

1000
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,599
great work that's being done on the

1001
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:42,079
peninsula, uh it would be relatively

1002
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:44,800
easy to share that information. And I

1003
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:47,839
think your point to the CRD is and we

1004
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:50,480
have a representative um here about

1005
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:52,400
that. So to collect that data centrally

1006
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,640
and try to minimize like you know maybe

1007
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,560
all of the work that's done locally but

1008
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,319
to to coordinate that centrally at least

1009
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,920
from the CRD perspective if this is also

1010
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:02,560
a CRD initiative

1011
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:04,400
» That makes the most

1012
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:07,119
» Yeah we are um

1013
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,040
» We are working or in communication with

1014
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:13,280
the CRD at the moment too to do a

1015
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,200
similar presentation at their next A uh

1016
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,040
meeting which I believe is in the fall.

1017
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:19,440
So maybe I'll just make a note to sort

1018
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:21,440
of circle back to that idea when when we

1019
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,440
do get the chance to speak with their

1020
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,440
committee.

1021
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,599
» Yeah. I mean to your point to um I mean

1022
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,760
you were cutting out on that uh previous

1023
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:34,319
uh point uh so I didn't get the full

1024
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:38,079
gist but I think there's a point there

1025
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:40,480
for systematic advocacy there you know

1026
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:43,119
for sure for having these requirements.

1027
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Um

1028
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:48,800
right now we um we we really very much

1029
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,880
rely on these local collaborations you

1030
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,200
know. So for Vancouver for the Metro

1031
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:55,200
Vancouver we go to the city of Vancouver

1032
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,200
we have a partnership where they will

1033
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:59,920
give us the access to this information

1034
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,520
and so we we we collect the data we meet

1035
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,760
with the housing providers we visit the

1036
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:06,079
units and we have this inventory. Uh

1037
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:08,400
same we go that for each municipality

1038
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:09,760
Richmond Kquidlam and all of this. So

1039
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,079
it's really at those individual

1040
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,960
municipality level and there's no

1041
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:17,280
requirements. Uh but it's much needed to

1042
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,839
have something more comprehensive

1043
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,560
consistent and and I think pro

1044
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:27,119
provincewide uh for for have capturing

1045
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,520
this data but but I yeah so you noted

1046
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:31,599
and I think engaging in systematic

1047
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:35,359
advocacy to make those changes is really

1048
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:36,880
needed. So yeah

1049
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:39,760
» Mr. Nukem

1050
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,960
» Thank you. Um, Cory Nukem, I'm the

1051
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:43,119
director of community planning for the

1052
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:47,800
Town Sydney. Um, I was just thinking

1053
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:47,800
about our internal processes.

1054
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:53,760
» Yeah.

1055
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:56,160
» Um, thinking about our internal

1056
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,680
processes. So when we get a set of plans

1057
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,280
that has 20% of the units identified as

1058
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,720
adaptable, I mean sometimes they don't

1059
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,800
and we have to go back to the developer

1060
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:07,440
and inform them that they're missing

1061
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,680
something, but uh generally we get those

1062
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,359
plans, we confirm that it meets the

1063
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:14,160
requirements for adaptable housing and

1064
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:17,119
our zoning bylaw and then it goes on

1065
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:19,680
process. Um, initially when we get those

1066
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:22,160
plans, quite often the the units have a

1067
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,680
bit of like an interim

1068
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,760
identification like they might just be

1069
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,280
labeled 1 2 3 4 5 uh or maybe 101 102 or

1070
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,560
ABCD.

1071
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:34,960
Um later on in the process after the

1072
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,920
building has been approved by council,

1073
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:41,920
we go through a Canada Post addressing

1074
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,079
process that applies the actual unit

1075
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,920
official unit numbers and address that

1076
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,480
Canada Post would use and that the

1077
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:51,440
building that itself would use. Um so

1078
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:54,400
unit 101 102 or whatever it might be.

1079
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,720
There's a bit of a gap because the that

1080
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:59,280
addressing process doesn't happen until

1081
00:45:56,720 --> 00:46:02,160
much later in the process. And so

1082
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,839
getting those numbers correct uh can be

1083
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,440
a bit tricky sometimes because they do

1084
00:46:03,839 --> 00:46:09,119
change between the initial plan

1085
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:12,160
submission and the addressing. Um, my

1086
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:15,280
question for you is, does the right fit

1087
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:17,280
program have its own form

1088
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,440
to collect information on these

1089
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,800
potential buildings? And is that

1090
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,480
something that you could provide to

1091
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,640
municipalities?

1092
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,720
So, you're collecting a standardized set

1093
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:29,839
of information that you know works for

1094
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:32,720
you. And again thinking about our own

1095
00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:34,400
processes, we have uh tasks that we you

1096
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:36,720
know check off as completed in our

1097
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,560
system and we could potentially make a

1098
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:41,040
task that is you know fill out the right

1099
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,040
fit information form on the adaptable

1100
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,040
units or whatever information you want

1101
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,640
on the building and send that off to an

1102
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:50,400
email that could include the developer

1103
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,839
contact info. Um, so you can see what

1104
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,839
provided, what the tenure is, whether

1105
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:55,520
it's rental or ownership, and then you

1106
00:46:53,839 --> 00:46:57,040
could contact that builder directly and

1107
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,800
say, you know, we've got

1108
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,240
» We see you've got these units and it's

1109
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,480
rental building and we're we're

1110
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:05,119
interested in in matching up before you

1111
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:07,119
put it out to market. So, uh, a form

1112
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:09,280
like would be very helpful so that we

1113
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,880
could sort of rather than guessing at

1114
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,200
the information that's required, we

1115
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,720
could just fill it out, send it off, and

1116
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:17,599
you could add it to your database. So,

1117
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:20,319
just a thought there. Thanks. Uh yeah

1118
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:23,920
and thank you for um outlining your

1119
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:25,520
process. So just a followup to that is

1120
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,440
and I'm mindful of your time. I know you

1121
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:30,079
have a lot to discuss on your agenda and

1122
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,160
I think almost deserves its own meeting

1123
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:35,440
really to really discuss about how how

1124
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:38,720
we can make that work in in practice. Um

1125
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:41,040
but so when you you receive this do you

1126
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:43,680
um when you have let's say six units

1127
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:48,560
that are adaptable for a specific

1128
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:50,480
building um do you you do you don't

1129
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,560
collect any further information you have

1130
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,400
the addresses and then that's it right

1131
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,760
that's all there is in your system

1132
00:47:54,400 --> 00:48:00,800
essentially at this point right correct

1133
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:04,240
» Uh as far as the adaptable information

1134
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,960
adaptable unit specific information goes

1135
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:09,359
We don't even know right now. We don't

1136
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,880
know the units that adaptable units are

1137
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:14,160
going to be within the building.

1138
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:17,280
» We just make sure plan for each unit

1139
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:18,640
meets the zone by requirement or space

1140
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,319
the whatever.

1141
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,920
» So we don't we don't actually record

1142
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:23,280
where they are in the building

1143
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,160
» Where they are in the building. Okay.

1144
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,160
Okay. But you know there's a Yeah.

1145
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,720
Um, and the form that you're thinking

1146
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:32,960
for for the right fit is that um,

1147
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:35,200
essentially requiring the the developers

1148
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,520
to fill out the the form. So, and then

1149
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:40,000
it's added to our inventory. That that's

1150
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,400
what you're thinking about, right?

1151
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,440
» Uh, yeah. Yeah, I mean I honestly I

1152
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,839
think

1153
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,240
» Municipal might be better positioned to

1154
00:48:45,839 --> 00:48:50,079
fill that out because if we're assigning

1155
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:52,480
addresses and you want to know what the

1156
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:55,920
official address of that unit is with

1157
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:58,480
the building, um asking the developer to

1158
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,160
provide that information might be a bit

1159
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:02,880
of a tall task and it also doesn't

1160
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:05,119
happen until much later in the process.

1161
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,920
And also staff, municipal staff are the

1162
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:09,839
ones that coordinate that addressing. So

1163
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,440
it it might just be easier to have a

1164
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:14,800
planner who's reviewing the file fill

1165
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:17,839
that stuff out if it's not too complex.

1166
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:21,200
» Yeah. So right now the way we we we work

1167
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:24,880
when we get um word of um a new a new

1168
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:28,079
building or units becoming available um

1169
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,880
early on uh our accessibility um

1170
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:33,280
coordinator will will make contact um

1171
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:36,400
with the developer and then we'll go do

1172
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:38,880
an site a site visit an actual uh

1173
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,440
in-person site visit uh with a

1174
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:44,160
standardized uh accessibility checklist

1175
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:49,760
essentially. So, so this is something

1176
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:52,880
that we we fill out uh and we sort of um

1177
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,559
we have measured the like Alin say

1178
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:57,040
mentioned the turning radius and all

1179
00:49:54,559 --> 00:50:00,160
these things. So, it's it's gives us a

1180
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:03,359
really a good um detailed information of

1181
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:05,359
what what this unit has to offer and

1182
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:10,000
this this is where it makes it to our

1183
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:13,440
inventory. So, so ideally, uh, we we

1184
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,920
would want those developers to, um, to

1185
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:18,640
be, you know, as part of your process to

1186
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:21,760
be required to, um, to essentially make

1187
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:24,559
contact with us or and so and to be open

1188
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,319
to having us visit the unit and record

1189
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:29,040
all that information. Is that is that

1190
00:50:26,319 --> 00:50:30,800
something that we could do perhaps, you

1191
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,920
think?

1192
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,559
» Well, we could certainly provide you

1193
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:38,240
with the developers contact. Sure.

1194
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:40,720
Um and then we can circle back and give

1195
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:42,720
you access. One of the thing we want to

1196
00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:46,319
do is right now the our inventory of

1197
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:48,559
units is uh is really in nature more

1198
00:50:46,319 --> 00:50:50,240
internal. It allows us to match clients

1199
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,880
according to their preferences and

1200
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:56,000
number of criteria but eventually we'd

1201
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,000
want to add a functionality which allows

1202
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,160
to provide reports of all the

1203
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,440
accessibility features of the units and

1204
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,559
what what we're discovering. So uh um so

1205
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,480
and share that back with the

1206
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:10,640
municipalities and on on the building

1207
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,119
information and all that. So um so yeah

1208
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:16,000
» U got a couple more questions from the

1209
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:19,200
community. So if we can go to those.

1210
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,280
» Yeah. No [laughter] lots of question.

1211
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,280
» Hi I'm Charlene. I'm member of the

1212
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,440
committee. Uh I don't know whether this

1213
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:28,480
is you're talking about rental units. Is

1214
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:31,200
there any way of of having um like

1215
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,200
private homes that may be rental homes

1216
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,200
in there? Because one of the things I've

1217
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:37,920
come up against with people that I know

1218
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:40,319
is a lot of these adaptable units that

1219
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,880
are being planned in in uh apartment

1220
00:51:40,319 --> 00:51:44,480
buildings or condos, they typically are

1221
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,880
one-bedroom

1222
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:50,240
places. So, they they accommodate one

1223
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:52,880
person. Um people with disabilities have

1224
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,480
families, so they sometimes live in an

1225
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,200
apartment building. They want a home.

1226
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,760
want a suite. Is there any way of

1227
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:03,599
inventorying or or does this just become

1228
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,040
too cumbersome to to say we want um some

1229
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:08,880
people want homes, they don't

1230
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:11,599
necessarily want um condominiums or any

1231
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,960
is there any any recourse on that?

1232
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:17,359
» Um rental. Oh, that is such a great

1233
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,440
question. I love it. Um thank you for

1234
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:22,240
absolutely one of the thing we find is

1235
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:24,880
that we have will you're so right in

1236
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:27,599
saying wheelchair users have uh families

1237
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,119
and don't just require onebedroom unit.

1238
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:32,480
This is one of our points of ad

1239
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:35,680
systematic uh advocacy is that we find

1240
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:38,559
in those um uh buildings, new buildings,

1241
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,599
there's an disproportionate number of

1242
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:45,119
one-bedroom accessible units which means

1243
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:47,200
that we're unable to place um wheelchair

1244
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:49,119
users with family and household size

1245
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:51,200
where they have two, three, four

1246
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:53,040
children and they require twobedroom,

1247
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:55,680
threebedroom, fourbedroom. Sometimes

1248
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:58,240
they maybe one person or two people they

1249
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,480
require two-bedroom unit to to have a

1250
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,640
living caregiver all sorts of things

1251
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,040
situations. So larger units is

1252
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:07,760
definitely something we're we're after.

1253
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,599
And in terms of housing type, um,

1254
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,359
interestingly enough, a lot what we

1255
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:14,160
found from our surveys is a lot of our

1256
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:16,720
wheelchair users, uh, that we place,

1257
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:18,480
they were previously coming from

1258
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:21,040
nonaccessible

1259
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:23,599
homes with stairs and everything, but

1260
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:26,559
they were often like single family

1261
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:30,000
housing, basement suites, um, and then

1262
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:33,359
we move them into this um, high-rise

1263
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,680
building. Uh, but it's it not doesn't

1264
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:39,280
always work. And so we're really looking

1265
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,760
to include and diversify the the housing

1266
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,720
types that that we have. So we'd be

1267
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:48,000
definitely looking at rental homes or

1268
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:51,040
garden suites or um private owners

1269
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,880
wanting to rent out an adapt something

1270
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:58,000
that they've retrofitted to make it

1271
00:53:52,880 --> 00:54:00,240
adaptable. Um absolutely. So uh is there

1272
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:03,040
it's it's not easy to identify that

1273
00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:05,440
supply to be honest. Uh but if there's

1274
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:08,400
any way to work together to add that

1275
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:11,280
that would be very helpful because we we

1276
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:14,400
know that by doing this we'll be able to

1277
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:17,040
find units that are larger in size and

1278
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:19,760
also we'll in terms of the housing type

1279
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,319
that will perhaps match better what what

1280
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:24,480
our clients want actually in terms of

1281
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,359
living situations.

1282
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,480
» Thank you.

1283
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:29,200
» Hey councelor O'Keefe.

1284
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,760
» Um so just a couple on this last topic.

1285
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,440
So in terms of number of onebedroom, two

1286
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,200
bedrooms, three bedrooms, that's

1287
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,960
something within the municipality's

1288
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:43,680
perview that we can uh we we can do

1289
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:46,800
that. So um we can we we say that they

1290
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:49,839
have to provide 20% and we could say

1291
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:53,119
that that 20% has to be allocated

1292
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:55,280
equally or on a prata basis one, two and

1293
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,920
threebedroom units. So, um, but in the

1294
00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:00,079
interest of moving this along, I know we

1295
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,680
we could spend a lot of time on this,

1296
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:08,400
um, that I would I'm going to try a

1297
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:11,599
motion here, um, which is that, uh, the

1298
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:13,680
committee recommends that the three the

1299
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:15,599
planning departments of the three

1300
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,760
municipalities

1301
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:20,880
work together

1302
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:23,920
to develop a process

1303
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:26,800
to identify adaptable and accessible

1304
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,520
units to forward to the right fit

1305
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:30,880
program.

1306
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,520
» Great.

1307
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,160
» Uh yeah, I'll second. I was just saying

1308
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,119
» Oh, okay.

1309
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:39,520
» I'll second

1310
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:43,760
» And I looking to our our planning folks.

1311
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:46,880
Uh just kind of listening to some of I

1312
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:51,119
think what Mr. Nukem was saying in terms

1313
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:54,640
of what I would just see the simplest

1314
00:55:51,119 --> 00:56:00,319
process possible would be we would could

1315
00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:04,079
perhaps add a step into our process. um

1316
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:06,559
where we give the developer the contact

1317
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:09,760
information to the right fit people and

1318
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:13,440
say we'd like you as part of the process

1319
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,240
to contact them and and uh tell them

1320
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:19,680
about your adaptable units and kind of

1321
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:22,799
like hand it off to them rather than

1322
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:25,680
staff having to have any significant

1323
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:28,880
role in that. So

1324
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:34,720
if that's if if you think that makes

1325
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:36,400
sense or if you think that um uh

1326
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,799
» Yeah I mean uh it could go either way.

1327
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:41,839
We could provide uh the developer

1328
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:43,839
contact info to right fit right contact

1329
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:46,079
info to the developer. I would think the

1330
00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:47,839
former would probably be more

1331
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:49,920
successful.

1332
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,960
Yeah.

1333
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,040
» Busy. So,

1334
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,119
» Okay.

1335
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,160
» I guess it gives you both.

1336
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:59,599
» Yeah.

1337
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:01,440
» Okay. Okay. So,

1338
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:05,440
» Can I ask a quick Can I ask a quick

1339
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:08,440
question? Sorry to interrupt.

1340
00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:08,440
» Sorry.

1341
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:13,440
» Sorry. Question.

1342
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,200
» Yeah. And then I think we've talked a

1343
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,359
lot about the rental side of it, but I

1344
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:19,599
think this is also like the market side

1345
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:22,240
of it. And so I'm assuming when this

1346
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:24,319
would come forward and for consideration

1347
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:26,480
that it would be for any sort of

1348
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:29,040
applicant that would whether it's a a

1349
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,799
car or

1350
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,880
» Multif family or a town home that

1351
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:36,079
whatever component is required whether

1352
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:39,200
it's rental or that this is what would

1353
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:41,040
be reported out on so that it

1354
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,160
» In in Sydney's case we only require

1355
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:46,079
adaptable units on uh multi-unit

1356
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:47,440
residential buildings so like carriage

1357
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:50,240
homes

1358
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,920
don't they're not to provide those

1359
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:54,720
features. Uh that's something we could

1360
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,280
consider in the future, but in Sydney's

1361
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,799
case,

1362
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,720
» The code's the same. It only applies to

1363
00:57:56,799 --> 00:58:01,359
those larger multif family buildings,

1364
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,720
not not individual units like a

1365
00:58:01,359 --> 00:58:04,640
» Right.

1366
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:07,520
» But if it was a development that came

1367
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:10,160
forward and I could think of one in

1368
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,839
central Sanage where there was one like

1369
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,400
a single family that was required to

1370
00:58:11,839 --> 00:58:19,440
have I think

1371
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:22,160
moment but for market that that could be

1372
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:23,680
identified in the future.

1373
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,319
» Okay. What sort of council through a

1374
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:27,680
variance process requires some adaptable

1375
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:30,880
future?

1376
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:33,280
» Yeah, sure. And I would echo councelor

1377
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,599
O'Keefe's comment that this hopefully is

1378
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,119
not a main work project for staff and I

1379
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:39,119
think hearing from the two individuals

1380
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:42,000
that this is relatively simple, but I'm

1381
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:44,319
trying to download this onto municipal

1382
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,119
staff is not really what I'm interested

1383
00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:46,079
in doing.

1384
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,400
» Yeah, same.

1385
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:51,680
» It's not it's it's more of a systems

1386
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,760
advice than just value.

1387
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,880
I I do believe that absolutely what I

1388
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,240
mentioned earlier having it at the

1389
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:59,119
provincial level is the best case

1390
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:01,359
scenario because it's a requirement

1391
00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:05,480
right so it's it's just the longevity of

1392
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:05,480
it system

1393
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,760
» A robust system in place is it going to

1394
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,440
continue that way that's that's the

1395
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:16,920
challenge unless it's required

1396
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:16,920
legislation by law it's required

1397
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,200
okay any other discussion on the motion

1398
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:28,599
If not, um, entertain a a vote then. All

1399
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,599
in favor of the motion.

1400
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,960
Carried.

1401
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,400
So, do you have one more comment before

1402
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,160
you go, Isabelle?

1403
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:38,480
» Oh, yeah. The the question and thank you

1404
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:41,200
for for supporting this and this very

1405
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:43,119
incredibly useful conversation and also

1406
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:45,359
thoughtful questions. Really appreciate

1407
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:46,960
it and very inspired by the level of

1408
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:49,119
interest. So, thank you for for having

1409
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:51,680
us and uh giving this opportunity to

1410
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:53,440
work together. So, two quick questions.

1411
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,720
I'm I'm just curious about the makeup on

1412
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,000
the onebedroom, two bedroom,

1413
00:59:54,720 --> 01:00:00,799
threebedroom in your 20% allocation. Do

1414
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,079
you actually go to the level of Yeah,

1415
01:00:00,799 --> 01:00:05,920
» I think the the we've we forwarded the

1416
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:08,160
motion. I think if there's specific

1417
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:10,640
questions on the I think getting into

1418
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:13,440
those details, we could discuss when our

1419
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:15,200
staff get the opportunity to this.

1420
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,200
» Sure. Yeah. because I got a number of

1421
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:19,839
questions on on you know allocation and

1422
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,079
things like that but I agree and so

1423
01:00:19,839 --> 01:00:24,640
would that be okay for us to to to

1424
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,240
contact you back and then have this

1425
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:29,200
maybe a separate conversation because I

1426
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:31,200
think we'll need to do that

1427
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,920
» Based program be more fully developed

1428
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,760
later on we certainly invite you back u

1429
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,640
you know when you've got that ready to

1430
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,839
go

1431
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:41,920
» Okay perfect

1432
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:44,079
» Thank you and yeah please don't hesitate

1433
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,200
to reach out if you have any questions Z

1434
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:48,640
want to just set up a time to chat.

1435
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,280
» Great.

1436
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:53,040
» Thank you.

1437
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,280
» Okay, next item on the agenda is

1438
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,200
accessibility plan. Has there been any

1439
01:00:55,280 --> 01:01:01,200
uh changes to anybody's accessibility

1440
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:03,040
plans since last meeting?

1441
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,400
Seeing none,

1442
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,400
um council referrals.

1443
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,240
I don't see anything specific under

1444
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:14,000
there. No.

1445
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:16,559
Council [clears throat] updates. uh the

1446
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:19,760
tracking sheet

1447
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:23,359
I think. Um yes, councelor O'Keefe.

1448
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:27,040
» Oh, I have some updates from Sydney. Um

1449
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:28,960
so on the the tracking sheet talks about

1450
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,960
recommendations that have been put

1451
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,880
forward. So just some of the things

1452
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:36,079
that's being dealt with. Um there was

1453
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:38,480
the um the committee had a resolution

1454
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:43,440
about tactile markings at the at

1455
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:45,680
intersections and um staff So we brought

1456
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:48,720
that to to staff's attention and they

1457
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:51,599
note that they do conform to the master

1458
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,920
municipal construction documents for

1459
01:01:51,599 --> 01:01:56,559
tactile markings and they could provide

1460
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,640
a copy of that just back if we wish. Um,

1461
01:01:56,559 --> 01:02:01,040
subsequent to that, in regard to the

1462
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,040
tactile markings at Beacon and Highway

1463
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:05,200
17, which was discussed at the

1464
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:07,040
committee, council made a resolution to

1465
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,359
send a letter to the Ministry of

1466
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:11,599
Transportation and Transit expressing

1467
01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:14,559
concern about the misalignment of the

1468
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:17,119
tactile markings. That was sent about I

1469
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:20,079
think a month ago and we still have had

1470
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:22,319
not any response. However, I understand

1471
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:25,760
from the community member who brought

1472
01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:29,119
that forward that MOOTT is coming out in

1473
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:31,440
August 6th um to review the intersection

1474
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:34,319
in more detail with a representative

1475
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:37,520
from the CNIB. So, we hope to hear more

1476
01:02:34,319 --> 01:02:40,960
after that. Um, in regards to the

1477
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:43,119
recommendation about the municipalities

1478
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:46,240
um, communicating to the airport

1479
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:48,480
authority about accessibility concerns,

1480
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:51,359
um, I think there's a letter you can see

1481
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:55,680
in the agenda package. So, um, that's

1482
01:02:51,359 --> 01:03:00,079
been covered off as well. Um, accessible

1483
01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:03,440
parking awareness. uh we asked our staff

1484
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:05,359
to highlight an information campaign

1485
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:07,760
onto the business community regarding

1486
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:10,160
best practices for accessible parking.

1487
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,079
So that will happen in November. And

1488
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,760
then I'll just also report that on

1489
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:18,880
Canada Days um in response to

1490
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:22,318
recommendations by this committee uh the

1491
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,839
uh viewing areas for the fireworks

1492
01:03:22,318 --> 01:03:26,000
[clears throat] and the Canada Day

1493
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:30,240
parade were expanded accessible viewing

1494
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:33,280
areas and additional parking um as as

1495
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:36,640
well. So I think that all went well, but

1496
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:39,599
if there's members of the committee who

1497
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:43,119
participated in Canada Day in Sydney and

1498
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:45,599
used those accessible uh areas, um we'd

1499
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,880
be receptive to comments on that.

1500
01:03:45,599 --> 01:03:48,799
» Charlene, did you have a

1501
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,880
» Yeah, I just wanted to say I I didn't

1502
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:53,440
attend the events. I broke my leg so I

1503
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:56,400
did not go anywhere. Um, but I have

1504
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:58,720
heard from multiple community people

1505
01:03:56,400 --> 01:04:02,319
that they were extremely pleased with

1506
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:04,480
the ex extra accessible viewing uh the

1507
01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:05,839
accessible parking. I've talked to many

1508
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,319
people who are thrilled about the

1509
01:04:05,839 --> 01:04:10,559
accessible parking spot that was added

1510
01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:12,400
by the the band shell down there. Like

1511
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,319
so I'm getting I'm starting to get a lot

1512
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,440
of feedback from other community members

1513
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:19,359
coming to me. They're noticing the the

1514
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:21,680
differences and the changes and they're

1515
01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:24,160
they're really pleased with it. Um, Gar

1516
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:26,799
Homer is bringing people down regularly.

1517
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:30,160
Um, so I just want to say kudos to to

1518
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:32,319
Sydney. Like it's it is being noticed.

1519
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,319
So, and I'm planning on coming to some

1520
01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:36,640
of the Central Sanage stuff this summer.

1521
01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:38,160
So, I'm checking it out too.

1522
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,359
» Anyways, so thank you.

1523
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:39,839
» It's coming up pretty fast.

1524
01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:41,680
» Yeah.

1525
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:44,240
» Which is a nice segue. Councelor Newton,

1526
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:49,200
do you have anything from Central Sage

1527
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:52,960
» Specific on the the tracking sheet? No.

1528
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:56,240
They'll say that

1529
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:58,400
wasn't a council

1530
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,520
or anything. So, uh I'll take this

1531
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,559
opportunity then for the chair to

1532
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,359
briefly say central Sanage's 75th

1533
01:05:02,559 --> 01:05:06,880
celebration this weekend.

1534
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:08,559
Hopefully, we do a good job from an

1535
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,319
accessibility standpoint. It will be a

1536
01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:13,599
very busy weekend. It will be a lot of

1537
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:16,480
fun. Um and uh yeah, I look forward to

1538
01:05:13,599 --> 01:05:20,160
seeing people out walking, rolling,

1539
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:22,240
striding uh into the community. So

1540
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,000
» I did notice that their their form out

1541
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,960
there says that the shuttle bus is

1542
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,359
accessible.

1543
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,760
» Good.

1544
01:05:25,359 --> 01:05:30,319
» So so that the we're getting out there

1545
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,920
like this is becoming standard to to put

1546
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:34,000
this stuff out there and let us be aware

1547
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:36,640
of it. So yeah, great.

1548
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,480
» Look forward to feedback.

1549
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:40,079
» Pastor Batista, anything from North

1550
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:41,359
Sanash? I know you've been busy with

1551
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:43,280
other things out there.

1552
01:05:41,359 --> 01:05:47,920
» Uh yeah, you know, we've been busy with

1553
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:49,520
other things. um our zoning bylaws

1554
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:53,000
a little bit longer. So when it comes to

1555
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,000
some of those components

1556
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,640
later in the fall

1557
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,319
is off

1558
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:11,680
but um

1559
01:06:09,359 --> 01:06:13,839
I know it's on later the agenda some

1560
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,599
comments about that. Okay, great.

1561
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:17,760
» Thank you. And that's a good point you

1562
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:19,170
made about no council report. I wonder

1563
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,480
if I don't even understand

1564
01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:22,640
[clears throat] what council referrals

1565
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:24,240
means. Is that the opportunity when

1566
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:26,160
council should be reporting or is it

1567
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:28,640
just poorly worded? Should we change it?

1568
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:30,319
» No, that would have been I didn't mean

1569
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:32,960
to jump in, but I think anything that

1570
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:34,079
came from the three councils as a

1571
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:37,039
referral to the

1572
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:38,559
» Oh, I see.

1573
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:42,240
» Shouldn't we regularly have a

1574
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:45,520
opportunity for a council report though?

1575
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:48,880
Well, that's kind of what I saw number

1576
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,319
seven as like council updates. Oh,

1577
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,799
» Including tracking,

1578
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:54,240
» But but council referral would be

1579
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:54,960
something specific.

1580
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:58,720
» Okay.

1581
01:06:54,960 --> 01:07:01,119
» So, if council said we we want the

1582
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:04,000
committee to review the new active

1583
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:07,680
transportation plan, that would be a a

1584
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:09,680
specific sort of item that council asks

1585
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,760
the committee.

1586
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,280
» Good. I'll be up up to speed just about

1587
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,680
the time I get ready to kick get kicked

1588
01:07:13,280 --> 01:07:18,559
out of here. [laughter]

1589
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:22,400
Okay. Um, anything else on the tracking

1590
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:25,280
sheet? I think we covered them all.

1591
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:28,079
Uh, right program we did uh Wayne Road

1592
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:29,680
Park update.

1593
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:31,599
Um, Mr. Martin, you just want to go

1594
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:34,160
ahead and cover that off or

1595
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:36,480
» Yeah, I'd love to. Hi everybody. Um, Ben

1596
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:39,920
Martin, director of construction North

1597
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:44,319
Sanage. Apologize if I haven't said hi

1598
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:46,240
to some new faces. Um

1599
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:46,480
» Oh this do I need a speaker? Is there a

1600
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,760
speaker?

1601
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:54,160
» You need to pass some time back.

1602
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:55,599
» Um so I've thanks Charlene for the um

1603
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,960
request.

1604
01:07:55,599 --> 01:08:00,720
» Um I did provide this email summary that

1605
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:02,960
I see on the agenda.

1606
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,599
» Um so what does everybody know about

1607
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:07,440
Wayne Park the process? Did everybody go

1608
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:09,200
through the web page and does everybody

1609
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,640
understand how we got to where we are?

1610
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:12,480
» I did.

1611
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:14,559
» I went through it.

1612
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:16,880
» I drove out there and had a look.

1613
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:18,880
» It's good. There's some relevance with

1614
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:22,640
that. So, we did have a quite a robust

1615
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:25,279
process and we um we were at the initial

1616
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:27,520
stages of reporting back a collection of

1617
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:28,799
interests in the park. That was at the

1618
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,440
council meeting that was referenced in

1619
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:32,960
the email. And at that council meeting,

1620
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:36,159
uh council gave direction to simply

1621
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:41,759
proceed with that. the entire collection

1622
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:45,199
and to initiate it by May 2026

1623
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:47,679
» Um in short order a certain section.

1624
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:49,199
So staff [snorts] um as you can for

1625
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:51,787
those of you who have gone to the park,

1626
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,199
you'll see a large concrete foundation

1627
01:08:51,787 --> 01:08:55,520
[clears throat] and a steel structure

1628
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:57,279
off to the side for for a gathering

1629
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:01,359
place

1630
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:04,400
and staff will uh due to cost capacity

1631
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:07,359
and or due to labor capacity and costs,

1632
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,080
staff will be um completing the re the

1633
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:12,880
remainder of the section identified on

1634
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:14,960
the project page in the fall after our

1635
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:18,799
growing season.

1636
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:22,159
Um I did I did provide one error in my

1637
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:25,520
email about the paving lot for the

1638
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:28,319
parking lot. Um the plan as accepted by

1639
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:30,159
council did indicate that um future

1640
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:34,319
parking lot improvements will be

1641
01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:37,359
provided. So I did speak with our

1642
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:38,880
utilities public works staff and we are

1643
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:40,319
it's now going to be paved where I

1644
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:42,719
indicated it's not going to be paid.

1645
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:44,319
There'll be a pathway to gathering place

1646
01:09:42,719 --> 01:09:45,600
structure. It was a real problem for me.

1647
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:45,920
» Yeah, me too.

1648
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,440
» So

1649
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:48,480
» Instead of a community gathering place,

1650
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,279
if you can't

1651
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,040
» Can't gather.

1652
01:09:49,279 --> 01:09:52,960
» Yeah, considering

1653
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,840
» It's actually one of our community

1654
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:57,360
parks. So before the peninsula soccer

1655
01:09:55,840 --> 01:09:59,253
happened at Memorial Park, that was

1656
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,880
actually quite a node for the

1657
01:09:59,253 --> 01:10:02,000
[clears throat] community. We had

1658
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,199
» Two baseball fields,

1659
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,120
» Baseball diamonds.

1660
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:07,199
» We we actually bought an adjacent

1661
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,239
property, unknown to most people, bought

1662
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:10,159
a decent property because we thought

1663
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:12,159
we'd had more of that coming. This is

1664
01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:14,000
well before my time.

1665
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:16,880
Um, so we thought we'd have to expand

1666
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:19,360
tennis facilities and whatnot. And since

1667
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,800
that time, it's really transitioned. So,

1668
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:22,880
it is still a community park, but it's

1669
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:25,600
really more of a neighborhood. However,

1670
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:27,120
with this new vision, it's turning back

1671
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,719
into a community park. So, there's going

1672
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:31,520
to be so many amenities there because

1673
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:35,040
council approved all all the options.

1674
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:37,920
So, we're going to have uh a trail

1675
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:39,840
connector small like a younger age kids

1676
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:42,560
natural play structure

1677
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:46,320
» Water feature a water sorry a water

1678
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:48,560
feature a water misser

1679
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:51,920
um the gathering place uh we're going to

1680
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:55,760
place about 20 plus trees in that area

1681
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:59,280
around gathering place to make it more

1682
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:02,239
I suppose kind of a disc golf

1683
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,760
um so it will be place where families

1684
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:07,679
will come and [clears throat] there'll

1685
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:10,080
be something for everybody. And so, um,

1686
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:11,840
we'll pave the the parking lot is as per

1687
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,920
direction

1688
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,040
yesterday, the parking lot. It's planned

1689
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,800
to be paved with

1690
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:17,520
» That's fantastic.

1691
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,679
» Charlene,

1692
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,280
» Yeah, I've got questions. So, my my

1693
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:24,480
concern with this is that it's going to

1694
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:26,400
be an area for everybody. Um,

1695
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:28,880
without going into the detail and coming

1696
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,640
to us, will there be picnic tables that

1697
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:33,679
are accessible to everybody?

1698
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:35,600
Um, will there be parts of this part as

1699
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:37,760
we go on that will be accessible to

1700
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:39,520
everybody? Like, are we are we paying

1701
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:42,159
attention to what the pathways are made

1702
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:45,600
of? Are we paying attention to um how

1703
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:47,679
how do I get to that picnic table? Um,

1704
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:49,760
and and I bring this up in in some

1705
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:52,800
respect because of my disappointment

1706
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,800
with Wolf Orchard. Um, I checked it out

1707
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:56,800
and there's a lovely little picnic table

1708
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,040
and there's a lovely little bench on

1709
01:11:56,800 --> 01:12:01,520
cement pads that is not accessible to

1710
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:03,199
somebody in a wheelchair. So, it broke

1711
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,800
my heart thinking of the the kids that

1712
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:07,679
go to Deep Coast School because I know

1713
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,920
this was done in conjunction to be part

1714
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:12,640
of the school being able to access it.

1715
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:14,239
There's absolutely no access for a a

1716
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,400
child in a wheelchair to be able to sit

1717
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:18,640
at a picnic table or sit next to

1718
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:20,239
somebody on a bench. So, I just want to

1719
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:24,480
make sure that these things are not

1720
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:27,600
forgotten as we go forward. Um that that

1721
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:29,920
we do pay attention to the detail in

1722
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:32,800
these parks cuz like I say, I was I was

1723
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:35,840
pretty disappointed in seeing that. And

1724
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:37,199
um without it coming again, this this is

1725
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,080
what we're we're going to make this

1726
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:42,800
we're going to make it a a a play area,

1727
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:45,199
but are these areas going to consider

1728
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:47,120
accessibility? So that that was my

1729
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:50,080
concern in asking questions about this

1730
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,000
is uh you know I I don't want to see it

1731
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:54,880
go to the level that it's completed and

1732
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:57,679
it's like oh we didn't make it

1733
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,760
accessible because we missed we missed

1734
01:12:57,679 --> 01:13:02,320
an opportunity here. So I just hope

1735
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:04,960
along the way I mean I can I I follow

1736
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,120
council meetings as best as I can. I

1737
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:09,920
read what's going on as best as I can.

1738
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,679
But um as as it's been pointed out to me

1739
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,040
before that sometimes when you see these

1740
01:13:11,679 --> 01:13:16,320
plans that come up, they're

1741
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:19,760
placekeepers. They're they're

1742
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,480
abstract plans, but it is in the details

1743
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:25,120
that things get missed. So I just want

1744
01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:27,679
to make sure that that is is considered

1745
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:29,840
going forward on this

1746
01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:31,760
» Interesting discussion. Maybe you can

1747
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:32,640
discuss how that can be considered.

1748
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,320
» Yeah. and

1749
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,719
» And and provide other incentives to the

1750
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,199
council motion that provided direction

1751
01:13:36,719 --> 01:13:39,840
for staff.

1752
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:42,800
» Yeah, I mean the council motion itself I

1753
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,640
was pretty rush and and was not

1754
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:47,440
anticipated to happen the way it did.

1755
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:49,679
That's at least my perspective. Um, you

1756
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:51,120
know, my only real comment is I'm quite

1757
01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:53,040
thankful to our staff that they're

1758
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:55,360
always thinking about that stuff and

1759
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,800
they're always considering it and and

1760
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,840
this was one of those pivots that

1761
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:03,440
happened um partly because these

1762
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:05,520
communications that happened, but um

1763
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:06,800
yeah, the you know, the way I saw this

1764
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,239
originally playing out after this

1765
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,000
presentation was that it was going to be

1766
01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:12,400
coming to SP. These were the things that

1767
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,880
were going to be happening. Um you know,

1768
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:16,960
the the council decision

1769
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,920
is what it is. I certainly can't unwind

1770
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:22,000
those things now. Um, but yeah, I'm I'm

1771
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:24,640
personally trying to be much more on top

1772
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:27,840
of making sure our council is

1773
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,280
considering those things before they

1774
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,239
rush decisions because that's what

1775
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,120
happened to me.

1776
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:32,800
» Yeah,

1777
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,560
» I took a screenshot of what you had on

1778
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:37,360
the website. looked [clears throat] to

1779
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,880
me that if the parking lot got paved,

1780
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:41,520
there would be accessibility to the

1781
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:45,280
trail and the community gathering place

1782
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:47,199
» Um over the uh trail service that you're

1783
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:49,920
providing, which is pretty standard

1784
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:52,239
stuff, I think. Compacted gravel is

1785
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,040
relatively firm and wheelchair

1786
01:14:52,239 --> 01:14:55,040
accessible, right?

1787
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:57,679
» Compacted fines. So, it's like a gravel

1788
01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:00,400
base with compact six mill fines. That's

1789
01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:03,520
what that's what's intended in design in

1790
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,880
the plan. The trail network. Yeah, I

1791
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,360
think that's what we see elsewhere in

1792
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:09,760
the peninsula, don't we?

1793
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:12,320
» I'm not familiar with the terms. So, to

1794
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:14,640
me, all I need to know is it wheelchair

1795
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:17,520
accessible. Can a person in a wheelchair

1796
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:18,960
or a walker easily traverse the surface?

1797
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,719
Yes or no?

1798
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,080
» I would say that a compact, for those of

1799
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,760
you who've been around trails, it's a

1800
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:26,640
CRD standard. I believe it's a central

1801
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:29,520
standard. It's quite a a compacted

1802
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:32,000
surface and it's crowned

1803
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:34,000
supposed to be crowned to to shed. Um,

1804
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:36,320
it's I would say it's better than loose

1805
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,560
gravel. It's better than beach. It's not

1806
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,400
as good as ashalt for like a wheel

1807
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:43,600
surface. Like you couldn't run a scooter

1808
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:46,920
down it, but you could run a larger a

1809
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:46,920
larger wheeled.

1810
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:51,280
» Uh, councelor Newton I think was an

1811
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:54,920
accident. Councelor Keith.

1812
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:54,920
» Thank you. Um,

1813
01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,480
weighing in and other people's

1814
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,320
jurisdictions. The only comment I'll

1815
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:03,520
have is

1816
01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:05,280
previous member many you know commented

1817
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:08,000
about how

1818
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:11,120
good the gravel surface trail was that

1819
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:13,840
central sage had along ste

1820
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:16,400
and again like you chair I'm not

1821
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:19,040
familiar with this but a six mill

1822
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:21,760
aggregate is that's the standard then

1823
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:24,080
that's great I would yeah for whatever

1824
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:26,400
voice this committee has to say that you

1825
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:27,280
know at minimum so that that is able to

1826
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:29,920
be

1827
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:32,000
I think is essential. I'll leave it at

1828
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,120
that.

1829
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,880
» That's O'Keefe.

1830
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:39,360
» Uh thanks. So I think the thought the

1831
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:42,800
way I thought things were going in the

1832
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:46,560
municipalities is that when things were

1833
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:49,280
being considered like you know this that

1834
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:51,520
the first thing would be come to spec

1835
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:54,880
and like for example I really

1836
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:56,800
appreciated like central central Sanage

1837
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:59,600
when they were doing their they're

1838
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:02,000
redoing their parks and so they came to

1839
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:04,480
the committee first of all and said hey

1840
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:07,520
we're doing our big parks

1841
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:10,880
uh you know thing and we want to get

1842
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:12,800
some general comments on things we we we

1843
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,800
need to think about and then the

1844
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,719
commitment from them that they will come

1845
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:18,800
back every time that they're looking at

1846
01:17:16,719 --> 01:17:21,120
a park to say this is what we plan for

1847
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,199
the park you know same with Sydney when

1848
01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:25,199
we did our active transportation plan

1849
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:27,520
there was certainly a lot of community

1850
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:30,719
engagement on that and there's lots of

1851
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:36,320
opportunities to participate but the the

1852
01:17:30,719 --> 01:17:38,960
point of spa is that councils and staff

1853
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:41,760
make a concerted effort not to just

1854
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:46,080
depend on that general sort of

1855
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:48,880
engagement, but that we we we factor

1856
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:51,520
into our engagement process reaching out

1857
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,840
to spat specifically. So, and what I'm

1858
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:56,080
hearing from a couple members here is

1859
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:58,880
that, you know, maybe more could have

1860
01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,920
been done that way and and hearing from

1861
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,000
councelor De Batista, um, you know, he

1862
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:06,880
thought it was coming just back. In

1863
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,800
staff's defense, you know, staff, you

1864
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,560
know, presents something and unless

1865
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:13,760
council directs them to do anything

1866
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:16,480
else, they're going to go and and do

1867
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:20,400
whatever sta or council directs them to

1868
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:22,719
do. So I, you know, if committee members

1869
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:25,360
thought that they want to have a better

1870
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:28,880
look at this plan, you have the option

1871
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:31,920
to make a recommendation to North Sanage

1872
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:35,280
Council that the plans for Wayne Road

1873
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:39,040
Park be presented to SPAC for review and

1874
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:42,159
comment. Um, and so then you could make

1875
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,760
whatever formal suggestions you have

1876
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:46,159
that could go back. And sometimes

1877
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:48,960
there's cost implications, you know, and

1878
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:51,600
in defense of staff, you know, uh

1879
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:54,560
whether it's a gravel trail or or

1880
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:56,239
whatever or there's no accessible

1881
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:58,400
playground features, those are things

1882
01:18:56,239 --> 01:19:01,440
that cost a lot more money.

1883
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:02,960
» And so um you know, staff are always

1884
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:05,600
looking at what's the most cost

1885
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,600
effective way of doing things. But if

1886
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:09,920
the committee puts forward certain

1887
01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:11,600
things, they say this is important and

1888
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,360
then staff can say, "Well, we could do

1889
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,840
that, but it's going to cost an extra

1890
01:19:13,360 --> 01:19:18,800
$100,000." And that's what happened in

1891
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:20,960
Sydney with Breather Park. Um, is that

1892
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,120
initially there wasn't going to be a lot

1893
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,800
of accessibility there. And the

1894
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:27,040
committee said, "No, we want that." And

1895
01:19:24,800 --> 01:19:28,960
so it ended up costing I think it was

1896
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:32,640
another $100,000

1897
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:34,800
to include uh the the the playground

1898
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:36,080
surface and some other things. But at

1899
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:39,360
least it gives council

1900
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:42,640
» For your donation.

1901
01:19:39,360 --> 01:19:46,080
» At least it gives council the the

1902
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:48,960
opportunity to uh you know weigh in on

1903
01:19:46,080 --> 01:19:51,199
that. So that's an option you have if

1904
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:55,520
you want to make a motion to North

1905
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:59,040
Stanage to um you know ask staff to

1906
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,880
review the the the plans with SPAC and

1907
01:19:59,040 --> 01:20:02,320
ask for their review.

1908
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,239
» I think we have I think we have time now

1909
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,080
right just to the point that's actually

1910
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:06,960
what happened with Jubilee Park prior to

1911
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:07,440
Breath of Park.

1912
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:09,120
» Right.

1913
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:11,440
» Right. That's exactly how that played

1914
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:13,679
out. um this did not play out that way

1915
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,679
and I'll keep my personal comments

1916
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:15,920
rationale for that probably to myself to

1917
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,920
say

1918
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:19,040
» And basically we want to be partners not

1919
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:22,880
policemen right

1920
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:24,640
» Yeah and so it was uh yeah there was

1921
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,560
certain motivations for this to be

1922
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:28,719
rushed the way it was so it's

1923
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:30,880
» Highly unfortunate um that it played out

1924
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:32,480
this way because it didn't previously

1925
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,040
» So it seems like there's time to bring

1926
01:20:32,480 --> 01:20:36,320
it back one more time before you get

1927
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:38,320
» Blind in the call no

1928
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:41,440
» Well

1929
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:43,760
I mean It's it it's already been

1930
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:44,239
approved by council

1931
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:48,960
» As is.

1932
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:50,640
» So yeah, a portion is being completed as

1933
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,400
per the image on the page.

1934
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,880
» The remainder of the park staff couldn't

1935
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:57,280
conceivably

1936
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:59,360
completed the top.

1937
01:20:57,280 --> 01:21:01,679
» So there's a structure going, trees

1938
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,520
being planted and the parking lot being

1939
01:21:01,679 --> 01:21:05,600
paved, some split rail fencing,

1940
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:09,199
irrigation for the trees, and the start

1941
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:11,360
of that trail network. If there's um a

1942
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:14,080
motion from this committee to consider

1943
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,000
paving the trail, start adding or

1944
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:18,640
consider coming back the the remainder

1945
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:21,520
of the park will be constructed

1946
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:24,800
2027. That's in the capital fund. So

1947
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:27,600
there is an opportunity to

1948
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:29,920
bring you know obviously

1949
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:33,199
what's already set set in motion is is

1950
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:34,719
is happening. But there's nothing to say

1951
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:37,360
that uh we couldn't come back and say

1952
01:21:34,719 --> 01:21:38,560
okay 2027 remainder of the parks being

1953
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:40,800
done.

1954
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:44,239
» Um we're interested in these some

1955
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:48,400
additional features

1956
01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:51,360
» Also always have opportunity to revisit

1957
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,920
past decisions if they so choose as

1958
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,280
well.

1959
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,920
» Do you want to make a motion sir? So

1960
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:59,280
yeah, I think we make a motion to have

1961
01:21:55,920 --> 01:22:02,239
uh the next planning phase of of Wayne

1962
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:04,000
Road to be presented to SPAC

1963
01:22:02,239 --> 01:22:06,080
» Might be assuming that it makes it into

1964
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,159
the capital list. Sometimes things are

1965
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:12,080
moved if the cap if it remains in the

1966
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:15,520
capital plan for 2027 and it should then

1967
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:16,239
it would come before this committee

1968
01:22:15,520 --> 01:22:16,560
» First.

1969
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:17,600
» So

1970
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:20,880
» So I think the motion

1971
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:22,320
» Is there you're waiting to say something

1972
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,719
» There's a motion on the floor. as well.

1973
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,760
Sorry.

1974
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:27,040
» And just just to help out, I think the

1975
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,360
recommendation would be that SPACK

1976
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:33,679
recommends the district

1977
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:37,840
present to SPACK um the remainder of the

1978
01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:40,320
work plan for balance works be done away

1979
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:43,920
at a future meeting and I think that's

1980
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:45,840
the opportunity to you know provide some

1981
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:47,440
input and provide some thought because

1982
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,440
that the rest of that work isn't going

1983
01:22:47,440 --> 01:22:50,880
to be done yet and it gives them an

1984
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:52,800
opportunity to come back albeit the

1985
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,760
first half is a little too late. Um, but

1986
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:55,440
at least the second

1987
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,800
» You okay with that wording?

1988
01:22:55,440 --> 01:23:00,679
» Yeah, I'm okay with that wording. Did

1989
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,679
you catch that for me?

1990
01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:12,639
» Anybody on u anybody attending

1991
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,239
virtually?

1992
01:23:12,639 --> 01:23:16,639
» We need a seconder, right? Or do we have

1993
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:17,920
one? We need a seconder, I think.

1994
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:20,239
» Can I second?

1995
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:22,000
» Okay. Yeah, I'll second it. Well, I I

1996
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:26,920
was just hoping with some words.

1997
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,920
» Okay. So, I'm I'm Okay. So, I'm doing

1998
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:30,080
» I'll happily second.

1999
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:30,800
» Okay. Yeah.

2000
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:32,080
» Okay. Great.

2001
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:35,520
» Thank you.

2002
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,360
» Multiple sectors. Um any discussion um

2003
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:39,840
from all you quiet folks on the on the

2004
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:42,480
screen there that I'm looking at?

2005
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,880
» Janelle and company.

2006
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:45,280
» Nope.

2007
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:46,880
» No. I I just really appreciate this and

2008
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:49,360
I'll just make a comment. I appreciate

2009
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,120
Charlene bringing up about children uh

2010
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:53,600
because this is one thing that it's

2011
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:55,520
difficult for our family is we see

2012
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,040
accessible places for children but that

2013
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:59,120
doesn't mean that the activities that

2014
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:01,920
are included are accessible. So I

2015
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:04,080
appreciate opportunity to hear this and

2016
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,600
yeah

2017
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,199
» Counc

2018
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,760
and

2019
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:11,679
you know it's an opportunity for you

2020
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:14,400
know the member of council that's going

2021
01:24:11,679 --> 01:24:18,480
to bring this motion forward to their

2022
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:20,639
council to as just a reminder of maybe

2023
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:22,880
previous process you know your normal

2024
01:24:20,639 --> 01:24:24,880
process of what you did at Jubilee Park

2025
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:27,280
which seemed to be really good and I

2026
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,639
think what the committee members of the

2027
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:32,159
committee were pointing

2028
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:36,239
out today is disappointment

2029
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:40,320
that there wasn't that uh consultation

2030
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:43,199
for Wayne Road Park um as there had been

2031
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:45,120
in the past though

2032
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:48,760
and councelor Newton then I think we

2033
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,760
should bring the questions

2034
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:55,520
she was still around the process on this

2035
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:57,280
about how so I

2036
01:24:55,520 --> 01:25:00,320
um

2037
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:02,239
weighing into each local government's

2038
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:05,360
sort of governance and their processes.

2039
01:25:02,239 --> 01:25:07,199
I struggle with this being outside. I

2040
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:09,600
appreciate the advocacy side of what

2041
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:12,480
this committee is, you know, jumping up

2042
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:14,960
and down and doing um how this is

2043
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:18,560
coming. I mean through the process I

2044
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:20,639
struggle with a little bit just from

2045
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:23,280
what's involved.

2046
01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:26,239
I absolutely agree that this should have

2047
01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:28,239
come forward as council efforts. You

2048
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:31,480
know what you guys did in Jubilee Park

2049
01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:31,480
was great.

2050
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:35,360
» Yeah. I I

2051
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:37,199
» Do you have another suggestion on how we

2052
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:38,880
can uh get it on board?

2053
01:25:37,199 --> 01:25:41,600
» No, I don't have another suggestion

2054
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:44,080
because I think this committee should

2055
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:46,320
review it, but I just my problem is with

2056
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:47,440
how it how it's coming back forward

2057
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:49,280
through the process.

2058
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:50,719
» Yeah, understood.

2059
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:53,679
Okay, I'll call the question. All in

2060
01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:54,480
favor of the motion.

2061
01:25:53,679 --> 01:25:56,960
Uh

2062
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:59,960
» Against

2063
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,960
period.

2064
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:05,280
» Thanks guys.

2065
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:06,960
» Thank you for your help with that.

2066
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,280
» Can I just say

2067
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,440
» Yes?

2068
01:26:07,280 --> 01:26:13,280
» Is it Are we able to do the accessible

2069
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:15,520
parking before Ben goes?

2070
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,920
» Oh, just because

2071
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:17,280
Yeah,

2072
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,320
» Sure.

2073
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:18,960
» That's okay with you.

2074
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,480
» Yes.

2075
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,320
» Or I mean, sorry, I was going to say

2076
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:24,159
that there's a reason for my departure.

2077
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:26,239
I'd love to stay. I've got

2078
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:27,520
» If the accessible park is related to

2079
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:28,560
bylaw, so I'll be able to

2080
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,920
» Okay.

2081
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,719
» Okay.

2082
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:36,120
» Off you go. It's nice to see everybody.

2083
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:36,120
» Thank you, too.

2084
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:41,840
» Okay. Accessibility at Mary Whitespear

2085
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:44,400
Center.

2086
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:47,040
» Yes, that's coming to me again. Um quite

2087
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:50,400
some time ago it it was brought up that

2088
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,480
Mary Windspar would like uh input from

2089
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:54,719
the committee on accessibility issues at

2090
01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:57,440
Mary Windsor. Somehow that got dropped

2091
01:26:54,719 --> 01:26:59,679
and nothing ever happened. Um I have

2092
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:02,000
been talking with Denny Warner from Mary

2093
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:05,040
Winspair and she's very interested in

2094
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:06,800
our committee um helping with any kind

2095
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:11,679
of accessibility

2096
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:13,840
um information notes. Um she did say um

2097
01:27:11,679 --> 01:27:17,600
this didn't print out very well that she

2098
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:20,159
was um looking for some uh assistance

2099
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:22,639
regarding accessibility for the center

2100
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:26,719
um accessibility with washrooms,

2101
01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:29,199
signage, parking or any other um sensory

2102
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:31,760
issues, any kind of issues that we could

2103
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:33,920
do. um she was not able to make this

2104
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:36,639
meeting today, but wanted to know if our

2105
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:38,800
committee would be um in a position that

2106
01:27:36,639 --> 01:27:40,800
we could maybe help out, do an audit,

2107
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:43,600
meet with her, whatever. And I just

2108
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:47,840
wanted to I I certainly have got my

2109
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:49,280
ideas of what I'd like to see at Mary

2110
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:52,800
laughing at me because he can figure

2111
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:56,320
those out. Um, but I think we all bring

2112
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:58,880
our our expertise on this committee to

2113
01:27:56,320 --> 01:28:00,960
that and to see uh Mary Winspair and the

2114
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:03,040
community tackle some of these

2115
01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:05,199
accessibility issues. So, I just wanted

2116
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:06,880
to know whether that's something that

2117
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:09,440
other members of the committee would be

2118
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:14,320
willing to to work on with us.

2119
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:17,440
» Certainly, I would. I I know I certif.

2120
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:20,480
» So I my suggestion would be to for Miss

2121
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:24,480
Warner to make a formal request to SP

2122
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:26,159
back either you know to appear um at at

2123
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:30,000
a meeting in the future. she wasn't

2124
01:28:26,159 --> 01:28:31,840
available today. Um, you know, to to,

2125
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:33,760
you know, maybe send some questions in

2126
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:37,120
advance or if she's looking for an

2127
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:39,760
on-site sort of thing to send, you know,

2128
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:42,000
a formal request to SPAC outlining what

2129
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:45,199
are the things they want feedback on and

2130
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:47,199
then SPAC can respond at that time.

2131
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:49,920
» Okay. Are you comfortable writing that?

2132
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:52,239
» Yeah. So would that would the formal

2133
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:57,760
request come to SPACK or does it have to

2134
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:58,800
go through council to come to SPACK

2135
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:00,800
process?

2136
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:03,199
» I want to know what the process is.

2137
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,920
» I think that's where we have a gray area

2138
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:07,280
what this committee's role is and

2139
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:10,000
without a doubt

2140
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:12,880
» Providing some guidance and input. Um,

2141
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:16,080
but I be curious what our terms of

2142
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:21,520
reference state about who we can invite

2143
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:23,600
in to request input from uh from the

2144
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,600
wealth of knowledge in this room about

2145
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:28,639
how that works. And not to say that I

2146
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:30,320
don't think that there's some great

2147
01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:33,600
input that could be provided, but it's

2148
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:35,840
just um I think this role the committee

2149
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:39,920
is still from the local government side

2150
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:40,239
of things on how that comes forward.

2151
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,480
Keep

2152
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:44,719
» I guess what what I would say I think

2153
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:47,280
the terms of reference talk about you

2154
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:49,840
know education sort of of the broader

2155
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:52,960
community certainly there's a role in

2156
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:56,960
providing direct um feedback to the

2157
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:59,280
local governments but I'm recollecting

2158
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:01,760
although I can't remember who other

2159
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:04,560
organizations that have come here for

2160
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:07,280
feedback on different uh different

2161
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:09,679
things that haven't necessarily gone

2162
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:12,560
through our ours.

2163
01:30:09,679 --> 01:30:14,719
» Yeah. The airport and the panorama.

2164
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:17,040
» Oh, yeah. Right. Yeah. So,

2165
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:20,239
» Peninsula f festivities.

2166
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:23,199
» Oh, yeah. Peninsula celebrations. Um,

2167
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:24,480
you know, they're a community group that

2168
01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:26,320
provides

2169
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:28,480
» Maybe I'll have to refer refresh my

2170
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,520
memory about

2171
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:32,320
make sure that

2172
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:34,159
» That Yeah, that's fine. Well, and that

2173
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:36,480
was my question with this. Is is this

2174
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:39,120
something that comes formally to us or

2175
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:41,120
do we just individually say, "Okay,

2176
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:43,760
we're we're meeting with you, Denny."

2177
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,960
» Oh, well, that's another way of

2178
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:49,600
» Of doing it. Al although I think I think

2179
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:52,159
it would be good to have kind of an

2180
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:54,960
official spa

2181
01:30:52,159 --> 01:30:58,000
uh presence because Sydney and North

2182
01:30:54,960 --> 01:31:00,960
Sanage anyways contribute significantly

2183
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:04,560
to Mary Winspear Center and I think we

2184
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:08,000
have kind of a real interest I would

2185
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:10,960
think of ensuring that the municipal

2186
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:12,719
facilities that we we support

2187
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:15,840
financially

2188
01:31:12,719 --> 01:31:18,800
um you know that there's some concern

2189
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:20,560
about accessibility there and it would

2190
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,880
be of interest.

2191
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:25,040
» Plus, we have a breadth of experience on

2192
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,719
the committee that would be different

2193
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:30,480
than just Charlene and I going for

2194
01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:32,159
example. We want to consider all of the

2195
01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:34,080
u

2196
01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:38,120
the whole community not just the

2197
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,120
mobility challenge community.

2198
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:42,960
So looking at this from the reference

2199
01:31:40,560 --> 01:31:44,400
does say that uh committee identified

2200
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,920
barriers for persons with disabilities

2201
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:48,880
in the community and recommends

2202
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:52,480
solutions for consideration by the San

2203
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:54,480
Mins local governments as well as

2204
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:58,120
sharing

2205
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:58,120
committees and organizations.

2206
01:32:02,480 --> 01:32:06,560
So, um [clears throat] maybe we can

2207
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,760
co-write a letter, send it off, and

2208
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,639
we'll get some feedback.

2209
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:10,000
» Okay.

2210
01:32:08,639 --> 01:32:14,080
» Yeah. Yeah.

2211
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:17,280
» Okay, that works. Thank you.

2212
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:20,400
» All right. Now, we're on to um item D.

2213
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:21,520
Sydney wave f wayfinding markings. We

2214
01:32:20,400 --> 01:32:24,400
talked about this a couple of meetings

2215
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:26,719
ago, and I think uh Mr. Wellland was

2216
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:29,679
kind enough to offer his observations.

2217
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:33,040
So, thank you.

2218
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:33,040
Yeah, go ahead.

2219
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:40,400
Uh yeah, thank you.

2220
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:44,880
Uh all right. So the uh

2221
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:46,639
I've used the term wayfinding and and in

2222
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:49,600
other conversations people have talked

2223
01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:52,080
about tactile markings. Um they're the

2224
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:55,679
same thing. Um

2225
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:59,280
and uh whether that whether the tactile

2226
01:32:55,679 --> 01:33:02,159
feature be grooves in the concrete or uh

2227
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:04,800
twizzies. Um

2228
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:09,520
that's that's really what I was looking

2229
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:13,679
at. And so um

2230
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:18,800
I I uh conducted an audit um between

2231
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:20,880
April 25th and May 7th of this year.

2232
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:22,639
Um

2233
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:24,159
both

2234
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:27,199
uh

2235
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:31,199
on my own and uh with my partner who is

2236
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:35,520
uh totally blind. Um

2237
01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:39,840
and uh what we did is uh took kind of a

2238
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:42,800
grid approach and went from um Highway

2239
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:45,679
17 and Beacon Avenue

2240
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:51,040
um all the way over to uh First Street

2241
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:53,360
and the waterfront uh the pier um

2242
01:33:51,040 --> 01:33:55,280
from Beavenon

2243
01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:59,679
Beacon

2244
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:02,719
uh James White and uh Sydney

2245
01:33:59,679 --> 01:34:05,840
Um and then went a little bit beyond

2246
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:09,120
that to Henry Avenue as well. Uh and

2247
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:10,880
also to Mill Road and Rest Haven.

2248
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,520
Um

2249
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:16,239
so

2250
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:18,639
uh I I made notes of uh what I was

2251
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:22,480
seeing there and I also took photographs

2252
01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:27,199
of uh many of the the features um on the

2253
01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:31,679
on the concrete. Um so the briefly the

2254
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:34,400
findings were um that

2255
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:37,440
uh so in terms of the way that I I did

2256
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:40,000
this I I looked at a corner as being

2257
01:34:37,440 --> 01:34:42,159
four corners right so an intersection

2258
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:45,040
has four corners so I looked at what's

2259
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:49,520
going on in the northeast the northwest

2260
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:51,600
southeast southwest whatever um and so

2261
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:53,920
in terms of the the numbering that's

2262
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,880
that's where that's coming from So there

2263
01:34:53,920 --> 01:35:01,120
are 54 corners

2264
01:34:56,880 --> 01:35:03,840
in that grid that I just described that

2265
01:35:01,120 --> 01:35:06,639
have no markings at all.

2266
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:08,159
Um anywhere that there's cobblestone, at

2267
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:11,280
least that's what I'm calling it, the

2268
01:35:08,159 --> 01:35:14,440
cobblestones, uh there are no marks of

2269
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:14,440
any sort.

2270
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:21,520
Um the other feature that I notice is

2271
01:35:18,719 --> 01:35:24,639
that where there are grooves in the

2272
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:26,239
concrete that are meant to be um tactile

2273
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:29,840
markings,

2274
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:32,320
uh there is little consistency

2275
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:35,199
in the way that those markings are

2276
01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:38,480
displayed. So I found that there were 20

2277
01:35:35,199 --> 01:35:43,120
corners where the grooves parallel the

2278
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:47,520
road and there are 19 corners

2279
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:52,000
where it's the opposite way.

2280
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:56,480
There are also at least five corners uh

2281
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:58,480
which are newer and uh have grooves at

2282
01:35:56,480 --> 01:36:01,480
right angles,

2283
01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:01,480
right?

2284
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:07,639
And

2285
01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:07,639
so,

2286
01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:12,440
excuse me just a moment.

2287
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:21,679
Yeah. Uh, so one of the features that I

2288
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:23,280
noticed uh was that there are corners

2289
01:36:21,679 --> 01:36:26,000
where

2290
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:27,600
uh there are maybe three sections to

2291
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:30,880
grooves.

2292
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:35,360
Uh so that there is a a a section that

2293
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:38,080
has grooves that are um parallel to to

2294
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:41,840
say the this road u the one that's going

2295
01:36:38,080 --> 01:36:45,920
north north south and then grooves that

2296
01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:48,239
are parallel to the uh east west road

2297
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:50,560
but then there's another set that are in

2298
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:52,960
between that.

2299
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:55,360
So although

2300
01:36:52,960 --> 01:36:58,560
we have

2301
01:36:55,360 --> 01:37:00,080
Sydney Council who have uh you know

2302
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,840
reached out to the Ministry of

2303
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:05,199
Transportation

2304
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:08,239
uh with concerns about the Highway 17

2305
01:37:05,199 --> 01:37:11,520
and Beacon Avenue intersection where

2306
01:37:08,239 --> 01:37:13,679
these uh grooves and Twizzies are

2307
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:17,280
misaligned.

2308
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:22,239
Uh, Sydney has its own problems

2309
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:26,000
in the sense that wherever these arcs or

2310
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:28,719
um three section grooves are, you have

2311
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:32,159
the potential to lead someone who is

2312
01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:35,679
blind right into the middle of traffic

2313
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:37,600
going basically kitty corner. Um,

2314
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:39,679
so

2315
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:41,360
although I agree that the Ministry of

2316
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:45,360
Transportation needs to get its act

2317
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:48,719
together, so does Sydney.

2318
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:50,960
Um, the only corners with twizzies,

2319
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:53,520
which are the tactile markings, the

2320
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:57,280
yellow plastic ones,

2321
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,679
um, is at that Highway 17 and Beacon

2322
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:02,239
intersection. I'm not saying that's the

2323
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:04,400
only ones. That's not necessarily the

2324
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:06,719
only ones in all of Sydney, but within

2325
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:10,159
the large grid that I talked about,

2326
01:38:06,719 --> 01:38:11,679
there are no other ones.

2327
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:15,520
Um,

2328
01:38:11,679 --> 01:38:19,040
the other thing about those twizzies is

2329
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:21,760
that they're not directional twizzies.

2330
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:25,840
They're only warning twizzies.

2331
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:28,800
So they can't necessarily uh direct the

2332
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:32,000
user in any particular direction. Uh the

2333
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:36,639
grooves can. Um and what I discovered as

2334
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:39,440
a cited person is that it's very easy to

2335
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:42,560
uh to

2336
01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:44,960
to basically as a sighted person to kind

2337
01:38:42,560 --> 01:38:48,320
of line up the grooves. If you're

2338
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:50,719
looking at the ones that are going to um

2339
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:55,280
uh be parallel

2340
01:38:50,719 --> 01:38:57,440
to the walkway, to the crosswalk lines,

2341
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:59,199
uh you can basically line those up by

2342
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:02,080
your eye and go, "Oh, yeah, okay, that

2343
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:05,520
works." But the problem is that if

2344
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:08,400
you're blind, you're not using your eyes

2345
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:10,960
to line up to crosswalk. You're going by

2346
01:39:08,400 --> 01:39:15,679
whatever direction those those grooves

2347
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:17,840
are are directing you. uh to to

2348
01:39:15,679 --> 01:39:19,760
basically for for you to they're

2349
01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:22,533
directing you to go in a certain

2350
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:22,560
direction. Um and

2351
01:39:22,533 --> 01:39:26,239
» [clears throat]

2352
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:29,040
» Uh and as I've said in some cases that

2353
01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:31,840
is directing person into the flow of

2354
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:35,440
traffic. Um the other thing that I

2355
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:39,280
noticed is that both the on and off

2356
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:42,719
ramps to Highway 17

2357
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:45,280
uh have crosswalks.

2358
01:39:42,719 --> 01:39:48,159
Um

2359
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:51,520
but there's no uh there's no control of

2360
01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:55,920
of traffic there. Uh so somebody who's

2361
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:58,159
blind who goes wants to go across this

2362
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,560
let's say the offramp

2363
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:02,000
um

2364
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:04,400
they are not going to be able to know

2365
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:07,719
whether there's traffic coming uh to go

2366
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:07,719
on the beacon.

2367
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:15,119
Um the other thing is that that is also

2368
01:40:12,159 --> 01:40:18,239
true of all of the crosswalks that are

2369
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:20,080
on Beacon that go across Beacon. Uh

2370
01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:23,199
there's no traffic control there.

2371
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:26,800
There's no um and and in addition there

2372
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:29,679
are no markings um for those particular

2373
01:40:26,800 --> 01:40:34,080
crosswalks and the same is true of the

2374
01:40:29,679 --> 01:40:36,159
traffic circle at uh first and beacon.

2375
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:39,119
There were no markings

2376
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:42,119
and there's no traffic control there.

2377
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:42,119
Um,

2378
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:58,880
now when you look at uh oh um yeah, let

2379
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:03,760
me say this first. Uh when you look at

2380
01:40:58,880 --> 01:41:07,760
the uh two traffic control uh crosswalks

2381
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:11,199
that I looked at, um

2382
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:14,400
they have warning lights for traffic,

2383
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:16,880
but they don't have sound.

2384
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:19,280
So the one that's most concerning, I

2385
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:21,199
think, is the one at Mill Road and Rest

2386
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:23,760
Haven, where it's just south of that

2387
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:26,760
intersection. Uh so it's at the Shaw

2388
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,760
Center.

2389
01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:34,840
Um

2390
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:44,000
the other thing about that particular

2391
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:47,920
crosswalk is that

2392
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:51,920
the traffic does not always heed the um

2393
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:54,239
crosswalk warning lights. Um, this has

2394
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:57,360
been reported to me, but I also observed

2395
01:41:54,239 --> 01:41:59,920
it when I was doing my audit and

2396
01:41:57,360 --> 01:42:01,679
standing there. Um, there were a number

2397
01:41:59,920 --> 01:42:05,119
of vehicles that just went right through

2398
01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:08,119
there. Um, and that's particularly

2399
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:08,119
concerning.

2400
01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:15,600
Uh, another feature that I looked at was

2401
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:18,480
the directional posts on Beacon Avenue.

2402
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:21,440
These are the ones that um direct people

2403
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:24,480
to where businesses are.

2404
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:27,600
Uh none of those posts are accessible to

2405
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:29,760
the blind or people with low vision. Uh

2406
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:35,480
what they would probably need is raised

2407
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:35,480
lettering and braille. They have none.

2408
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:44,159
Um, I also looked at access through

2409
01:42:41,840 --> 01:42:46,800
glass beach

2410
01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:50,239
which is not particularly accessible to

2411
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:52,639
blind for people with low. In fact, it

2412
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:56,159
could be potentially quite dangerous for

2413
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:59,880
them. Um there are railings that go down

2414
01:42:56,159 --> 01:42:59,880
the stairs that

2415
01:43:02,159 --> 01:43:08,719
there is a concrete platform at the end

2416
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:11,119
of those stairs with no railing. So if

2417
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:13,840
person who's blind was able to manage to

2418
01:43:11,119 --> 01:43:16,719
get down that far, they would quite

2419
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:19,600
easily walk off of the concrete and onto

2420
01:43:16,719 --> 01:43:23,280
the rocks or the sand.

2421
01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:27,679
Um and that goes a little bit beyond

2422
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:30,159
you know, it might need markings, but um

2423
01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:32,719
in terms of the railings and such. Um

2424
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:35,280
but there also are no

2425
01:43:32,719 --> 01:43:37,840
tactile markings anywhere around those

2426
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:41,560
stairs to warn someone that there are

2427
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,560
indeed stairs there.

2428
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:50,320
And uh I think that's about it.

2429
01:43:48,239 --> 01:43:53,920
» Great. Thanks very much. That was a

2430
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:55,440
pretty comprehensive tour around Sydney.

2431
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:57,760
Um,

2432
01:43:55,440 --> 01:43:58,639
any questions of Mr. Willen?

2433
01:43:57,760 --> 01:44:00,639
» Charlie,

2434
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:02,320
» I just thanks for doing that, Richard. I

2435
01:44:00,639 --> 01:44:04,480
I've certainly since being on this

2436
01:44:02,320 --> 01:44:06,960
committee and having had Vanessa on the

2437
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:09,199
committee, I've paid more attention to

2438
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:10,960
to crosswalks than ever I did because I

2439
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:13,040
only looked at could I get on them with

2440
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:14,719
my wheelchair and now I'm looking at

2441
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:16,800
them in a whole different light. like

2442
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:18,800
when so those rounded ones that you're

2443
01:44:16,800 --> 01:44:21,040
talking about that sends them into any

2444
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:22,880
any direction

2445
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,560
» They work great for me but they are a

2446
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:27,199
nightmare for a low vision and blind

2447
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:29,040
person um and and I bring this up

2448
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:32,159
because you did a a great comprehensive

2449
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:34,560
study of Sydney um North Sanage is

2450
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:37,360
looking at uh I know they brought up

2451
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:39,440
redoing uh the walkway along uh East

2452
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:42,400
Sanich Road between McTavish and the

2453
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:44,320
roundabout at the airport. Um, and they

2454
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:46,960
also put in a crosswalk on the top of

2455
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:49,760
Dean Park Road and they put one of those

2456
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:52,880
cord corners in. It's a nightmare for a

2457
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:54,639
low vision person. Um, so again, I think

2458
01:44:52,880 --> 01:44:57,119
it's it's that we start paying attention

2459
01:44:54,639 --> 01:44:58,719
as we're we're we're doing some of these

2460
01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:01,119
changes and developments that there's

2461
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:05,440
got to be more consistency and in how

2462
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:07,040
we're doing it. And um so I am I am now

2463
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:10,639
finding that I'm driving around looking

2464
01:45:07,040 --> 01:45:13,280
at crosswalks and and curb cuts and and

2465
01:45:10,639 --> 01:45:15,199
you're right there's and this this is

2466
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:18,159
part of progressing as we learn more and

2467
01:45:15,199 --> 01:45:19,920
do more um that we're we are getting

2468
01:45:18,159 --> 01:45:23,600
better with directional ones. So I think

2469
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:25,760
we need to to find a consistency so that

2470
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:29,199
people know

2471
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:32,080
and again as a tri municipal committee

2472
01:45:29,199 --> 01:45:34,480
and and I'm I'm somebody who very rarely

2473
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:37,440
leaves the peninsula. So to have a

2474
01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:39,679
standard that works central Sanage,

2475
01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:43,199
North Sanage and Sydney so that we have

2476
01:45:39,679 --> 01:45:46,320
got a a standard um just makes it easier

2477
01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:49,679
for everybody who's trying to to

2478
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:51,600
navigate their world. Um, so thank you

2479
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:53,199
for doing all of that. I It's something

2480
01:45:51,600 --> 01:45:53,760
I've been paying more attention to as

2481
01:45:53,199 --> 01:45:56,080
well.

2482
01:45:53,760 --> 01:46:00,480
» Yes, you're new. Yeah, certainly. I

2483
01:45:56,080 --> 01:46:02,239
think all of these students

2484
01:46:00,480 --> 01:46:04,639
known about where their deficiencies are

2485
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:06,320
from work is fully done. I think going

2486
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:10,840
forward is what we're really trying to

2487
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:10,840
look at. So I guess my question

2488
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:17,119
the controlled intersections whether

2489
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:20,159
it's walk signals or crosswalks do we

2490
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:21,920
have focus

2491
01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:23,520
probably the wrong persons are here with

2492
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:26,639
engineering but is there like a

2493
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:29,679
difference between a controlled signal

2494
01:46:26,639 --> 01:46:32,560
and then a signal with the auditory

2495
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:34,480
component to it that would be a standard

2496
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:37,280
to use when we look at going forward but

2497
01:46:34,480 --> 01:46:41,040
there cost perspective

2498
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:44,063
probably much different.

2499
01:46:41,040 --> 01:46:44,063
» Yeah, [clears throat]

2500
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:51,360
» Picking up on that theme, if you don't

2501
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:52,960
mind. Um, so the ones that were rec more

2502
01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:57,199
recently done at Sydney, it's a new

2503
01:46:52,960 --> 01:46:58,880
standard, I presume. Um they as a as a

2504
01:46:57,199 --> 01:47:01,520
lay person, they seem to be

2505
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,520
appropriately done with the markings

2506
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:05,360
heading into the crosswalk. Uh

2507
01:47:03,520 --> 01:47:07,679
irregardless of the the [clears throat]

2508
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:09,280
controlled crossing, they seem to be uh

2509
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:10,719
appropriate because I think I think what

2510
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:12,320
happens is you're supposed to be able to

2511
01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:14,000
put your cane in the groove and and

2512
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:16,000
follow that groove to the path of

2513
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:18,800
travel, right?

2514
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:21,520
» That was that's my impression as to the

2515
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:24,719
way it's supposed to work. Um there are

2516
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:26,960
certainly uh problems inherent in that

2517
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:33,600
in that system which I'd be happy to

2518
01:47:26,960 --> 01:47:37,280
talk about. Um I I think um for a a cane

2519
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:40,159
user who is not used to that uh and

2520
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:42,320
particularly if you're using your cane

2521
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:44,480
uh and going about Sydney.

2522
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:46,400
» Yeah. Right. and running into the

2523
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:50,480
inconsistencies.

2524
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:53,280
Um you you then I think become unclear

2525
01:47:50,480 --> 01:47:57,040
as to what you know which direction am I

2526
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:58,800
supposed to be following here. Um but I

2527
01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:01,199
think from a [clears throat] structural

2528
01:47:58,800 --> 01:48:07,040
point of view the problem with the

2529
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:10,480
grooving in the sidewalks is um that

2530
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:14,400
they they fill with

2531
01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:17,840
debris. Um, they also are more

2532
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:20,639
expensive, I would think, to change.

2533
01:48:17,840 --> 01:48:22,719
Uh, whereas if you put down the Twizzy,

2534
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:27,199
you can unscrew it and move it somewhere

2535
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:29,119
else or rearrange it or whatever. Um,

2536
01:48:27,199 --> 01:48:31,040
you can't do that with concrete grooves.

2537
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:33,679
You have to break up the concrete and

2538
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:37,560
redo the whole thing.

2539
01:48:33,679 --> 01:48:37,560
That's got to be more costly.

2540
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:43,119
And it said if the grooves are filling

2541
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:45,119
with debris then then they lose their

2542
01:48:43,119 --> 01:48:45,520
their use.

2543
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:50,239
That's

2544
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:53,600
» Key. Uh thank you. Um I'm also thinking

2545
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:56,000
about you know how how we move forward

2546
01:48:53,600 --> 01:49:01,840
on this. I mean I know it's something

2547
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:05,520
that's come up in the past. Um,

2548
01:49:01,840 --> 01:49:08,639
but what I don't know is whether there's

2549
01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:11,199
a plan to address these things. Like for

2550
01:49:08,639 --> 01:49:13,199
example, I know that we, you know, when

2551
01:49:11,199 --> 01:49:15,360
Vanessa was here, we had discussions

2552
01:49:13,199 --> 01:49:17,920
about the scoring lines and that and

2553
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:21,119
that's and initially staff's response

2554
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:23,440
was there's a standard that we follow.

2555
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:25,840
um what we ended up finding out is that

2556
01:49:23,440 --> 01:49:28,800
yeah, there's a standard, but how it was

2557
01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:30,400
actually being constructed was being

2558
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:33,520
misunderstood.

2559
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:36,159
And so I think there is now that

2560
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:38,480
understanding. And so the ones the

2561
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:41,199
intersections on Beacon, the new ones

2562
01:49:38,480 --> 01:49:42,800
that they've done, all seem good, but

2563
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:45,760
there's these ones throughout the

2564
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:48,560
community that are and I see them. You

2565
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:51,679
know, there's a lot of them and I don't

2566
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:54,159
know whether staff are aware of those

2567
01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:58,080
and I don't know

2568
01:49:54,159 --> 01:49:58,880
that there's a plan to correct those.

2569
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,560
So,

2570
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:02,159
» I'm also interested in Charlene's

2571
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:03,840
comment about standardization because I

2572
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:05,920
know that Central Sanders is going to

2573
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:08,400
make a heck of a lot of improvements to

2574
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:10,719
along Mount Newton, etc. And they'll

2575
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:12,080
want to be incorporating some of those

2576
01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:14,159
ideas, I'm sure.

2577
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:16,159
» Yeah. Well, and from what I understand

2578
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:18,080
previously from staff is there there is

2579
01:50:16,159 --> 01:50:21,760
that municipal standard for

2580
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:24,239
accessibility that they follow. But you

2581
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:25,840
know where we sometimes miss the mark

2582
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:28,400
and that's where they missed the mark

2583
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:30,639
with Ministry of Transportation is that

2584
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:33,760
you know you get contractors in to do

2585
01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:36,080
the work that don't necessarily are very

2586
01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:39,040
familiar with it and so they don't

2587
01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:41,280
implement the standard accurately. So,

2588
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:43,280
what I'm I guess what I'm struggling

2589
01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:47,040
with is

2590
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:51,520
you know how we whether there's a way to

2591
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:55,199
return to uh you know put all of what

2592
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:57,840
you've got there into like a kind of a

2593
01:50:55,199 --> 01:51:00,560
report or in writing with the pictures

2594
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:02,719
so that we could whether that would be

2595
01:51:00,560 --> 01:51:06,560
useful for staff

2596
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:09,119
and Mr. uh newcome or any thoughts he

2597
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:11,520
might have on best ways.

2598
01:51:09,119 --> 01:51:13,199
» I'm I'm just drafting an email for

2599
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:15,920
director of engineering just highlight

2600
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:20,080
this discussion

2601
01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:21,760
with him and uh he was the uh

2602
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:24,159
engineering tech who designed our

2603
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:26,639
current standard for those coordinates.

2604
01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:31,520
uh they can listen to this discussion

2605
01:51:26,639 --> 01:51:34,159
and give us some thought in terms of

2606
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:36,400
maybe taking a second look at those that

2607
01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:40,159
standard some of the concerns that you

2608
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:42,719
raised or uh I mean it's also come up at

2609
01:51:40,159 --> 01:51:45,599
the highway intersection obviously and

2610
01:51:42,719 --> 01:51:49,920
some of the drawbacks of that approach

2611
01:51:45,599 --> 01:51:53,360
uh there's no solution um anyway I I

2612
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:55,599
will raise it with them say that can't

2613
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:55,599
make

2614
01:51:56,639 --> 01:52:02,960
Yeah. So I I like I think there should

2615
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:04,719
I'm feeling there should be some sort of

2616
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:07,520
resolution

2617
01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:10,560
but I'm just struggling about what the

2618
01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:12,639
recommendation might be. Um

2619
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:16,080
» Other option might be gather more

2620
01:52:12,639 --> 01:52:18,719
information for staff on having you know

2621
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:22,159
maybe someone from engineering come

2622
01:52:18,719 --> 01:52:26,719
present on what our approach has been to

2623
01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:28,480
date. We'll know that that's done.

2624
01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:32,560
» You know what? I you know what? I kind

2625
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:35,280
of I like that idea because um then at

2626
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:36,960
least engineering can tell us what they

2627
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:39,679
actually are doing and maybe they do

2628
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:42,880
have a plan rather than the committee

2629
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:45,199
making a recommendation and it's kind of

2630
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:50,000
you know moot because staff already

2631
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:54,400
know. So maybe the motion could be that

2632
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:57,679
uh we we ask engineering staff from the

2633
01:52:54,400 --> 01:53:01,199
municipalities to attend the next back

2634
01:52:57,679 --> 01:53:03,360
meeting to talk about accessibility at

2635
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:06,520
intersections.

2636
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:06,520
You're asking.

2637
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:14,199
» Sorry. You're asking the council that

2638
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,199
said they're

2639
01:53:19,679 --> 01:53:25,639
» Oh, okay.

2640
01:53:22,639 --> 01:53:25,639
» Okay.

2641
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:30,560
» Yeah. Okay.

2642
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:31,679
Good.

2643
01:53:30,560 --> 01:53:33,920
» Thanks again, Richard.

2644
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:37,040
» Thank you. Welcome. I think we had a

2645
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:38,880
letter to the uh airport authority which

2646
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:39,760
seems self

2647
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,960
explanatory.

2648
01:53:39,760 --> 01:53:44,560
» Yeah.

2649
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:46,639
» Um I just wanted to mention that the uh

2650
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:50,000
and it's posted here the island de and

2651
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:52,480
harden of hearing center was closed uh

2652
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,360
rather suddenly. They ran out of money

2653
01:53:52,480 --> 01:53:56,880
and um their government's contract

2654
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,119
expired a couple years ago but they ran

2655
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:01,199
out of money like at June 30th and there

2656
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:03,360
was very little notice given to anybody.

2657
01:54:01,199 --> 01:54:04,880
So that the uh deaf and heart of hearing

2658
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:08,159
community are really struggling because

2659
01:54:04,880 --> 01:54:11,119
that was their their go-to spot for all

2660
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:13,599
things, you know, for for uh social

2661
01:54:11,119 --> 01:54:17,360
activity, for getting uformational

2662
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:19,894
resources, for u um figuring out what to

2663
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:22,000
do with their children's education,

2664
01:54:19,894 --> 01:54:24,880
[clears throat] all those things. And uh

2665
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:26,719
so I'm I just raise it so people can

2666
01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:28,480
think about what we might be able to do

2667
01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:32,320
for our deaf and heart heart of hearing

2668
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:34,719
people in our community perhaps. um um

2669
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:36,639
beacon community services where the Shaw

2670
01:54:34,719 --> 01:54:38,880
Center could be at least a meeting place

2671
01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:41,040
for people. You might want to um run

2672
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:43,760
that up the flag pole and see where it

2673
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:45,679
goes.

2674
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:48,639
» Yes. So, I'm going to uh unfortunately

2675
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:51,199
those people from the disability

2676
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:53,760
um alliance of BC had to leave, but I'll

2677
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:57,360
follow up with them as well to see if

2678
01:54:53,760 --> 01:55:01,679
they can offer some assistance.

2679
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:03,440
Okay. Any more thoughts on that?

2680
01:55:01,679 --> 01:55:05,360
» Yeah,

2681
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:07,119
» I'll work on the Shaw Center, but I

2682
01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:08,880
think that that's

2683
01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:11,199
probably

2684
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:13,520
considered anyways

2685
01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:15,119
resource

2686
01:55:13,520 --> 01:55:16,880
maybe states.

2687
01:55:15,119 --> 01:55:18,639
» Yeah. Much much like the White Cane

2688
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:20,800
Club, at least if people had a chance to

2689
01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:22,639
go there, I I think they go there and

2690
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:26,560
they they play cards or they exchange

2691
01:55:22,639 --> 01:55:28,239
stories or information. Um much like I'm

2692
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:31,280
sure the White Gang Club does. So it' be

2693
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:33,040
would be ideal I think.

2694
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:34,719
» Okay. And then we have uh one letter

2695
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:36,960
which um I don't think was really

2696
01:55:34,719 --> 01:55:37,920
accessibility oriented but it's there

2697
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:41,840
for information.

2698
01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:43,520
» Can we do my parking?

2699
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:45,040
» Yes. Did I fly by that?

2700
01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:48,159
» Yeah.

2701
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:50,000
» Oh yeah. Are you going to counselor GPD

2702
01:55:48,159 --> 01:55:50,800
is gonna

2703
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:53,199
» Yes. Go ahead.

2704
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:55,440
» Yeah. So I just wanted to bring up the

2705
01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:57,440
and again I I realize that North Sanage

2706
01:55:55,440 --> 01:56:00,560
is busy. They're they've got all sorts

2707
01:55:57,440 --> 01:56:03,280
of stuff going on. Part of the just a

2708
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:04,960
bit of a background in 2018 the province

2709
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:07,119
took accessible parking out of the

2710
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:08,880
building code and it was up to every

2711
01:56:07,119 --> 01:56:10,239
municipality, city, whatever to come up

2712
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,719
with their own accessible parking

2713
01:56:10,239 --> 01:56:16,880
standards. Um we started working with

2714
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:19,440
Sydney, North Sanich and and um central

2715
01:56:16,880 --> 01:56:21,679
Sanich and came up with accessibility

2716
01:56:19,440 --> 01:56:25,119
plans that were kind of the best case

2717
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:29,520
scenario. at the time Nor Sanich put one

2718
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:32,239
through that they followed the FCA B651

2719
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:36,239
which was the the Canadian standard

2720
01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:38,400
which we then found out was not optimal

2721
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:40,000
but at that time North Sanage was

2722
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:43,679
putting it through with other bylaw

2723
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:45,520
changes and they they were going to said

2724
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:48,800
no problem we'll just push this through

2725
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:50,960
when we do the OCP we will improve on

2726
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:54,480
that

2727
01:56:50,960 --> 01:56:57,760
was 2019 So, we hit the pandemic, we hit

2728
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:59,280
new council, we hit new planners. Um,

2729
01:56:57,760 --> 01:57:04,000
nothing

2730
01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:05,760
got changed. Um, we now have

2731
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:09,040
we're we're going into another election

2732
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:11,440
cycle. There's this draft zoning bylaw

2733
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:14,560
has been put forward and I did see that

2734
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:16,400
in it in um

2735
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:19,040
the the draft zoning bylaw the

2736
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:21,360
accessible parking is under 404 in the

2737
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:25,040
bylaw and they have just said that they

2738
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:27,920
are going to use the the SCAB 651

2739
01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:31,360
standard again which again is not the

2740
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:33,280
acceptable standard. Last July at the

2741
01:57:31,360 --> 01:57:35,440
SPACK meeting, we were told that North

2742
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:39,760
Sanage would harmonize with Central

2743
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:42,000
Sanage and Sydney's accessible parking.

2744
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:44,239
So, the reason I bring this up now is

2745
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:46,960
because like the the expediency that

2746
01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:50,800
Wayne Rogue was put through uh the

2747
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:52,960
neglect to bring Wolf Orchard to us, I

2748
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:55,679
want to make sure that this draft zoning

2749
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:58,159
bylaw doesn't get approved with this

2750
01:57:55,679 --> 01:57:59,840
accessible parking standard. So I don't

2751
01:57:58,159 --> 01:58:03,840
know whether it's something that do I

2752
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:06,000
bring a a a recommendation that this

2753
01:58:03,840 --> 01:58:08,960
accessibility

2754
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:12,000
zoning bylaw is not accepted without

2755
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:16,000
bringing it to SPAC for our input. Um

2756
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:18,080
because I as things stand right now

2757
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:20,159
North Sanage does not have an accessible

2758
01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:24,159
parking standard that allows me to park

2759
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:27,360
anywhere with my Side Wrap van. Um,

2760
01:58:24,159 --> 01:58:28,880
Sandown Center was a missed opportunity.

2761
01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:32,400
I don't go there because there's no

2762
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:35,119
parking for me. Um, the Roost just redid

2763
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:37,599
their accessible parking at their place.

2764
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:39,119
Does not have parking for me. So, we've

2765
01:58:37,599 --> 01:58:41,520
missed an opportunity in this eight

2766
01:58:39,119 --> 01:58:43,119
years that we've been not doing anything

2767
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:46,880
with the accessible parking at North

2768
01:58:43,119 --> 01:58:48,560
Sanage. We've missed opportunities. And

2769
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:50,400
as we all know, once they've been done

2770
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:53,199
according to whatever the bylaw was when

2771
01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:55,920
they built it, that's what stands.

2772
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:57,440
So I just wanted to do I don't know

2773
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:59,040
going forward I want to make sure we

2774
01:58:57,440 --> 01:59:00,080
don't miss an opportunity with North

2775
01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:02,560
Sage.

2776
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:05,280
» So councelor DBT what what is it you

2777
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:07,679
need from us to make that happen?

2778
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:09,920
» I mean I think I think like other things

2779
01:59:07,679 --> 01:59:11,440
that you know I think we were getting to

2780
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:13,679
a really good place where we were just

2781
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,840
expecting you know like central sage

2782
01:59:13,679 --> 01:59:18,000
where they just automatically come. Uh

2783
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:19,840
that hasn't been happening from us. So I

2784
01:59:18,000 --> 01:59:22,880
think uh you know if Spack makes a

2785
01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:26,000
recommendation requesting that the

2786
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:30,080
zoning bylaw be presented and even in

2787
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:31,119
that motion at a you know and I missed

2788
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:33,119
writing down the exact

2789
01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:34,239
» And that it be harmonized with the other

2790
01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:36,000
two municipalities

2791
01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:38,159
» Right and that can either come up out of

2792
01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:39,599
that presentation and conversation or

2793
01:59:38,159 --> 01:59:43,199
that can just come up as part of the

2794
01:59:39,599 --> 01:59:45,119
recommendation either of those are

2795
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:47,840
a okay

2796
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:52,000
» Uh councelor O'Keefe Um just looking to

2797
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:55,040
Mr. Nukem and from Central Sandwich. So

2798
01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:57,760
have I think we have harmonized like

2799
01:59:55,040 --> 02:00:00,719
between does Sydney and Central Sanage

2800
01:59:57,760 --> 02:00:03,599
have have we harmonized our accessible

2801
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:06,719
parking? Is it

2802
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:09,719
» I believe it's similar.

2803
02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:09,719
» Okay.

2804
02:00:10,080 --> 02:00:14,560
» Place

2805
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:17,119
council made a change or two that was

2806
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:19,520
adopted. Okay.

2807
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:21,760
» Okay. So, I guess one way of going at

2808
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:25,599
So, there's something specific that

2809
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:30,400
you've identified. So you could we could

2810
02:00:25,599 --> 02:00:33,360
make a motion that Norah Sanage change

2811
02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:36,639
the zoning bylaw or section blah blah

2812
02:00:33,360 --> 02:00:39,360
blah of the zoning bylaw related to

2813
02:00:36,639 --> 02:00:42,239
whatever that se you know that standard

2814
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:46,000
was or or just say that in instead of

2815
02:00:42,239 --> 02:00:50,320
adopting that standard that North Sanich

2816
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:53,280
adopt the accessible parking standards

2817
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:56,000
uh or or harmonize their accessible

2818
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:58,080
parking standards with Sydney and

2819
02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:00,639
Central Sanage.

2820
02:00:58,080 --> 02:01:02,800
» What what was mentioned to me is I think

2821
02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:04,480
where North Sanich was having a bit of a

2822
02:01:02,800 --> 02:01:07,040
problem and it was told to me that

2823
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:08,480
they're different because they're rural.

2824
02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:11,760
I think where they didn't want to

2825
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:13,840
harmonize with Sydney and Central Sanage

2826
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:17,360
was in the

2827
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:20,719
ratio of parking spaces and accessible

2828
02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:22,480
spaces, which to me, figure out figure

2829
02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:25,040
out your ratios for your building,

2830
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:29,520
whatever with your parking,

2831
02:01:25,040 --> 02:01:31,679
but don't skimp on the actual size of

2832
02:01:29,520 --> 02:01:34,639
your parking. Right?

2833
02:01:31,679 --> 02:01:36,560
» So, I'm not sure why that would be. I

2834
02:01:34,639 --> 02:01:40,000
mean, if you're going to have a grocery

2835
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:40,480
store, whether it's in a rural area or

2836
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:44,800
» Exactly.

2837
02:01:40,480 --> 02:01:48,239
» Like sand down is like a shopping and

2838
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:51,520
» So I just again uh so I don't know how

2839
02:01:48,239 --> 02:01:53,119
my my impetus in bringing this is I just

2840
02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:56,239
wanted to make sure that this wouldn't

2841
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:57,920
progress any further in without it being

2842
02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:00,800
looked at and made sure that we're doing

2843
02:01:57,920 --> 02:02:03,040
it in the best possible way. Um, so to

2844
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:05,440
make a recommendation uh that SPACK

2845
02:02:03,040 --> 02:02:08,639
recommends that North Sanage not proceed

2846
02:02:05,440 --> 02:02:10,880
with their um with the draft zoning

2847
02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:14,880
bylaw accessible parking portion until

2848
02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:16,719
they present it to to SPACK for

2849
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:18,880
» It might be short it might be a shorter

2850
02:02:16,719 --> 02:02:21,199
route to do what councelor

2851
02:02:18,880 --> 02:02:23,199
» So so what I so what I was just to

2852
02:02:21,199 --> 02:02:24,320
finish my thought that kind of ran

2853
02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:25,360
» It must have been good because Anna

2854
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:28,480
actually typed it

2855
02:02:25,360 --> 02:02:31,760
» To to make the specific recommendations

2856
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:36,159
to harmonize their accessible parking

2857
02:02:31,760 --> 02:02:38,320
with Sydney and Central Sanage. Make

2858
02:02:36,159 --> 02:02:40,960
that one. And then if you thought that

2859
02:02:38,320 --> 02:02:43,119
there was other elements of the zoning

2860
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:45,280
bylaw that were relevant, there's a

2861
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:47,920
whole pile of stuff in the zoning bylaw,

2862
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:50,400
you don't want to be bothered. But if

2863
02:02:47,920 --> 02:02:52,320
there was parts of that that you thought

2864
02:02:50,400 --> 02:02:54,960
should come to SPACK, then you could

2865
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:57,360
make a second recommendation that

2866
02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:59,360
sections, you know, that the the rest of

2867
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:01,840
the bylaw be referred to back for

2868
02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:04,159
additional review and comment from an

2869
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:06,239
accessibility perspective.

2870
02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:08,000
So, but I don't know what is in their

2871
02:03:06,239 --> 02:03:10,159
zoning bylaw and whether you have

2872
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:12,320
something.

2873
02:03:10,159 --> 02:03:14,639
» I mean, I just it was all I could do to

2874
02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:17,679
zone in on the the draft bylaw and find

2875
02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:22,360
the accessible parking.

2876
02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:22,360
Yeah. Or sorry

2877
02:03:28,320 --> 02:03:33,760
BC1 that we think is uh preferred or

2878
02:03:32,239 --> 02:03:35,679
superior.

2879
02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:36,960
You're shaking your head. No,

2880
02:03:35,679 --> 02:03:39,520
» We don't have a BC1.

2881
02:03:36,960 --> 02:03:41,520
» We That's what this whole the discussion

2882
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:43,440
came about a few years ago because there

2883
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:45,599
used to be a provincial standard, right?

2884
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:46,960
And then the province said, "We're not

2885
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:48,880
going to do that anymore. You

2886
02:03:46,960 --> 02:03:51,440
municipalities decide what's best for

2887
02:03:48,880 --> 02:03:54,800
you." And so that's why there was all

2888
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:56,800
this kuffles in past meetings about,

2889
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:58,960
okay, we were all doing different

2890
02:03:56,800 --> 02:04:02,400
standards and had different ideas in our

2891
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:06,125
minist. And so hence the desire for you

2892
02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:06,239
know, Sydney and Central Sage did that.

2893
02:04:06,125 --> 02:04:07,599
[clears throat]

2894
02:04:06,239 --> 02:04:10,719
» And do you mind do you mind reading back

2895
02:04:07,599 --> 02:04:13,920
what councelor Keefe said initially and

2896
02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:18,760
maybe it's good enough for it? Yes.

2897
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:18,760
» North was there accessible park

2898
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:24,080
» And should we add um before considering

2899
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:26,239
passing the the U

2900
02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:28,159
» Well I I think there's there's two

2901
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:30,639
separate things. One is very specific to

2902
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:33,679
parking but the other is accessibility

2903
02:04:30,639 --> 02:04:34,080
as it pertains to the entire zoning.

2904
02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:35,760
» Yes.

2905
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:38,320
» Accessibility is not just limited to

2906
02:04:35,760 --> 02:04:42,159
» Yes. Yeah. And so that's why I would

2907
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:43,599
suggest that a motion not be I mean the

2908
02:04:42,159 --> 02:04:45,920
recommendation council can

2909
02:04:43,599 --> 02:04:47,599
» Yeah.

2910
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:50,960
Gotcha.

2911
02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:53,040
» Um but I think if the motion is to

2912
02:04:50,960 --> 02:04:54,639
request that the zoning bylaw be

2913
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:57,360
presented just like the other

2914
02:04:54,639 --> 02:04:59,360
municipalities have so that we can

2915
02:04:57,360 --> 02:05:01,599
provide feedback so that SPAC can

2916
02:04:59,360 --> 02:05:05,119
provide feedback on all accessibility

2917
02:05:01,599 --> 02:05:07,440
components within the zoning bylaw.

2918
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:09,280
Then the report is not the entire zoning

2919
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:11,840
bylaw. It's everything that's related to

2920
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:13,920
accessibility. And that way the report

2921
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:16,159
can present the powerpoint to be done up

2922
02:05:13,920 --> 02:05:18,000
and then it comes. Now I don't even have

2923
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:21,760
a timeline from staff yet as to when

2924
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:24,080
we're going to see zoning by yet.

2925
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:26,080
So based on that I can suspect that it's

2926
02:05:24,080 --> 02:05:28,159
going to be a little while but we've all

2927
02:05:26,080 --> 02:05:29,760
seen what's happened previously. So if

2928
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:31,760
if there wants to be something a little

2929
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:33,920
more specific

2930
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:36,560
as far as not to go to second reading

2931
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:38,800
until it's come back that can certainly

2932
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:40,159
be done

2933
02:05:38,800 --> 02:05:41,757
but I just don't know what the timeline

2934
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:42,159
is. I think it's important that

2935
02:05:41,757 --> 02:05:44,639
[clears throat]

2936
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:46,159
» Just like what Central Sage did with

2937
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:49,360
theirs, it actually comes from

2938
02:05:46,159 --> 02:05:52,679
accessibility like just those components

2939
02:05:49,360 --> 02:05:52,679
comes back

2940
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:58,880
» To add a little staff perspective on

2941
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:01,440
that motion. It's very wrong.

2942
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:03,280
» Um there was a comment earlier about uh

2943
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:05,599
the the

2944
02:06:03,280 --> 02:06:08,239
number of spaces versus you know maybe

2945
02:06:05,599 --> 02:06:10,000
the geometric considerations. So you

2946
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:12,880
might want to think about specificity of

2947
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:14,639
it because I agree that you know the the

2948
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:17,040
number of spaces required might be very

2949
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:19,199
different in no sanage in context than

2950
02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:22,719
it would be in Sydney for example

2951
02:06:19,199 --> 02:06:25,199
» And so are you asking for

2952
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:30,040
the number of required spaces

2953
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:30,040
» The motion by that it's very

2954
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:37,040
» Yeah again my thinking on that was again

2955
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:39,199
I I know the my only perspective I had

2956
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:41,599
with North Sanich and the numbers was

2957
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:45,199
Sandown and they did ask for a variance

2958
02:06:41,599 --> 02:06:48,800
to change the numbers. Um I think both

2959
02:06:45,199 --> 02:06:51,119
Central Sanich and um

2960
02:06:48,800 --> 02:06:52,880
and Sydney both say that no matter what

2961
02:06:51,119 --> 02:06:55,520
the what the figuring out number was,

2962
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:57,199
they couldn't adapt the accessible ones.

2963
02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:00,320
They couldn't change the accessible ones

2964
02:06:57,199 --> 02:07:02,480
according to plan. So I don't I I mean I

2965
02:07:00,320 --> 02:07:04,320
know for myself, yes, they might be

2966
02:07:02,480 --> 02:07:06,400
smaller numbers or whatever. So, I don't

2967
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,719
I don't necessarily know that it get

2968
02:07:06,400 --> 02:07:10,320
into the into the weeds of how many

2969
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:11,760
spaces there have to be, but I

2970
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:14,800
definitely think we need to make sure

2971
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:16,000
that we're we're putting in accessible

2972
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:17,520
spaces that work for

2973
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:18,400
» We need to get to the motion and get it

2974
02:07:17,520 --> 02:07:21,280
done or we're going to miss

2975
02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:23,760
» Get done. Is the standard that you

2976
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:26,480
talked about was that this because was

2977
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:28,880
that the standard my recollection it was

2978
02:07:26,480 --> 02:07:29,199
in regards to what the spaces looked

2979
02:07:28,880 --> 02:07:29,679
like?

2980
02:07:29,199 --> 02:07:32,719
» Yes.

2981
02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:35,920
» Right. and so how wide they would be

2982
02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:38,639
accessible aisles that sort of thing. So

2983
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:39,760
I think maybe that's what you want to to

2984
02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:43,440
Mr.

2985
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:46,719
point that spec specificity

2986
02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:50,960
» I was just worried about.

2987
02:07:46,719 --> 02:07:53,280
» Yeah, that's know it's too broad. Um,

2988
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:54,800
» So the way to get about that might be am

2989
02:07:53,280 --> 02:07:56,400
I going to have I'm really going to have

2990
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:59,199
to leave because I got somebody showing

2991
02:07:56,400 --> 02:08:03,840
up in my house at 10 minutes. Um but

2992
02:07:59,199 --> 02:08:07,920
would be to adjust the motion to say um

2993
02:08:03,840 --> 02:08:11,920
uh for North Sanage to

2994
02:08:07,920 --> 02:08:15,920
amend or in in consideration of their

2995
02:08:11,920 --> 02:08:18,079
zoning bylaw instead of using standard

2996
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:23,840
blah blah blah

2997
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:26,000
» The standard uh harmonize that with uh

2998
02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:27,679
Sydney and North Sanish because that

2999
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:31,119
doesn't get into the number of spaces.

3000
02:08:27,679 --> 02:08:34,079
is that only relates to the width of the

3001
02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:36,000
space, the accessible aisles, how

3002
02:08:34,079 --> 02:08:39,440
they're marked and identified.

3003
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:42,159
» So maybe that's the way around that. And

3004
02:08:39,440 --> 02:08:43,840
then the number of spots, that's a whole

3005
02:08:42,159 --> 02:08:46,639
other other thing.

3006
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:47,920
» Can you read off the uh the uh standard

3007
02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:52,360
number again for

3008
02:08:47,920 --> 02:08:52,360
» CSA B651?

3009
02:08:57,119 --> 02:09:02,560
Okay, we have a motion seconder.

3010
02:09:00,639 --> 02:09:05,360
Mr. Wellland,

3011
02:09:02,560 --> 02:09:09,239
any discussion?

3012
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:09,239
All the question all in favor?

3013
02:09:09,679 --> 02:09:14,800
Carried.

3014
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:17,199
» Good. We lost all of our people here.

3015
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:19,119
» I think just I know everybody's got to

3016
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:21,040
go the last minute, but I think

3017
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:23,040
Batista's comment about having the

3018
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:24,239
zoning bylaw back.

3019
02:09:23,040 --> 02:09:30,280
» Oh, yeah. Another motion. That's a good

3020
02:09:24,239 --> 02:09:30,280
idea. lost somewhere on that whether

3021
02:09:31,599 --> 02:09:33,119
» Make the motion.

3022
02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:36,079
» Sure, I'll make the motion.

3023
02:09:33,119 --> 02:09:37,520
» I'll second.

3024
02:09:36,079 --> 02:09:39,280
» Yeah. No, fair enough.

3025
02:09:37,520 --> 02:09:42,239
» SPAC recommends that the district of

3026
02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:44,800
North Sanage present the accessibility

3027
02:09:42,239 --> 02:09:45,760
portions of the zoning bylaw to SPACK

3028
02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:48,400
prior to adoption

3029
02:09:45,760 --> 02:09:53,480
» Or just say refer the zoning bylaw.

3030
02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:53,480
Don't say the accessibility because

3031
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:56,639
» That's why you say the accessibility

3032
02:09:55,520 --> 02:09:58,880
component because you don't want to sit

3033
02:09:56,639 --> 02:09:59,520
here and read 400 pages of a zoning

3034
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:02,079
bylaw.

3035
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:04,400
» I think one the components that are

3036
02:10:02,079 --> 02:10:05,920
related to accessibility

3037
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:06,480
» And referent.

3038
02:10:05,920 --> 02:10:07,199
» Yeah.

3039
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:09,119
» Referred. Yeah.

3040
02:10:07,199 --> 02:10:09,760
» Yeah.

3041
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:11,040
» Okay.

3042
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:13,040
» Okay.

3043
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:17,920
» Seconder

3044
02:10:13,040 --> 02:10:21,239
I guess. Okay. Charlie discussion

3045
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:21,239
all in favor

3046
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:25,375
carried

3047
02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:26,719
and u motion for adjournment.

3048
02:10:25,375 --> 02:10:28,960
[clears throat]

3049
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:29,920
» Lots of people.

3050
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:30,880
» We got to go. We're

3051
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:32,000
» Out of here.

3052
02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:34,639
» Thank you everybody.

3053
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:34,639
» Thank you.