1 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:13,840 Good evening. I would like to call our 2 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,240 regular council meeting on Monday, 3 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,600 August 10th to order at 6:00 p.m. I'm 4 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,840 Mayor Cliff McNeill Smith and colleagues 5 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,920 in the chamber this evening. To my far 6 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,600 left, Councillor Richard Novick, 7 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,440 Councillor Terry O'Keefe, 8 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,280 Councillor Chad Rintoul, to my right, 9 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,600 Councillor Scott Garnett, Councillor 10 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,480 Sara Duncan, and Councillor Steve Duck 11 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,880 will be absent this evening. 12 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,840 Good evening to staff and 13 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,160 for joining the meeting this evening. We 14 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,600 do introduce all staff as they're 15 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,200 introducing the reporter, answering 16 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:41,440 questions. 17 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,600 And and hello to members of the public 18 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,680 both here in the chamber tonight and to 19 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,920 those who may be watching the live web 20 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,400 stream. I want to respectfully 21 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,640 acknowledge that we're holding our 22 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,560 meeting and and gathered this evening 23 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,480 and indeed the entire town of Sidney is 24 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,880 in the territory of the W̱SÁNEĆ people, 25 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,720 the 26 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,360 um Tsawout Nation, the Saanichton 27 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,320 Nation, the Pauquachin Nation, the 28 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,920 Tsartlip Nation, and the Malahat Nation. 29 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,120 And we express our gratitude to the 30 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,840 nations for their stewardship of these 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,600 lands and waters from time immemorial, 32 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,959 that is thousands of years, and for the 33 00:02:11,959 --> 00:02:14,000 responsibility that we have to work 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,480 together for our current and and future 35 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,360 generations. 36 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:19,880 In turning to the approval of the agenda 37 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,680 since it was published last Thursday 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,680 afternoon, we have um 39 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,040 some changes. We don't have any 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,440 additional items this evening, um but we 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,680 do have a couple of changes. Uh the 42 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,160 first is is that this is unusual, but we 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,200 do have four items of business that was 44 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,120 on the agenda from our previous meeting, 45 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:38,720 and we weren't able to conclude that 46 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,720 business at that meeting. So, that 47 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,280 business is brought forward under the 48 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,000 section business not completed at a 49 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,720 previous meeting, section six. 50 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,160 Um which um would shortly which would on 51 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,840 this this agenda would follow approval 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,040 of the minutes. However, we normally 53 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:55,440 have public participation at the 54 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,120 beginning of our meeting, and so we will 55 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,680 have that section of our meeting prior 56 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,760 to commencing with that 57 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,000 business not completed. 58 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:08,239 Um so, that's moving number six to after 59 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:10,320 public participation. 60 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,040 Uh the second change is that item 7D1, 61 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:15,880 which was 62 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,949 um 63 00:03:18,959 --> 00:03:21,640 policing services update from our staff 64 00:03:21,640 --> 00:03:23,680 sergeant of the North Saanich Fire 65 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:24,640 Department 66 00:03:24,640 --> 00:03:26,920 Police Department uh will not be 67 00:03:26,920 --> 00:03:28,600 occurring on tonight's agenda, so we'll 68 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,120 remove that from the agenda. It will 69 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,480 come forward to an agenda in September, 70 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:36,080 and included on that agenda will be 71 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,400 um the policing report. 72 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,720 And I believe those are just the two 73 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,200 changes. 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:45,480 With that, I would look for a motion to 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,239 approve the agenda as amended. 76 00:03:47,239 --> 00:03:47,800 >> So moved. 77 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,000 >> Councilor Novik. 78 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:49,440 >> Second. 79 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,560 >> Councilor Garnett. Any discussion? 80 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,520 Seeing none, those in favor? 81 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,080 That carries unanimous. Thank you. And 82 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:56,520 if I could perhaps have the same movers 83 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,560 to approve the minutes of our July 13th 84 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,920 regular council meeting. 85 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:00,920 >> So moved. 86 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,360 >> Second. 87 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:02,760 >> Can we have the same movers? Thank you. 88 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,960 Any corrections to those minutes? Seeing 89 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,600 none, those in favor? 90 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,870 Thank you. That motion carries. 91 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:12,640 And so we are now first turning to our 92 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,680 regular public participation period. For 93 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,239 those who may not have 94 00:04:16,239 --> 00:04:17,760 come forward to address council before, 95 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:19,920 we ask that you come forward to the to 96 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,799 the podium. There is a button to 97 00:04:21,799 --> 00:04:24,480 activate the the microphone. We ask that 98 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:25,480 you provide your name and the 99 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,160 municipality that you reside in or the 100 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,160 organization that you're representing. 101 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,080 You do have up to 4 minutes to speak. We 102 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,720 ask that you abide that to be fair to 103 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,160 all all potential speakers. And with 104 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:36,400 that, I'll call for a first time. Does 105 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,560 anyone wish to come forward this 106 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,870 evening? 107 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,360 Good evening. 108 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,960 >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name 109 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:47,960 is Barbara Falla, and I'm a resident of 110 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,400 the town of Sidney. 111 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,000 It's been more than 4 months since 112 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,800 safety concerns were first raised 113 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:55,840 regarding the recent changes and 114 00:04:55,840 --> 00:04:58,480 improvements made by MOTI 115 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,120 at Highway 17 and Beacon Avenue. 116 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,560 And today I would like to bring you up 117 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:04,280 to date on things. 118 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:06,760 On Tuesday, August the 4th, there was a 119 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,720 site visit with Ms. Susan Randall, 120 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,120 senior highway design engineer, 121 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,040 and two other persons from MOTI 122 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,400 engineering, 123 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,320 along with Mr. Tommy Leung, BC manager 124 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,520 advocacy and stakeholder operations at 125 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,000 CNIB, 126 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,720 and myself. 127 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,040 Prior to the others joining us, Tommy 128 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,120 and I took some time to walk through and 129 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,760 review the intersection from his 130 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,960 perspective as a person who is blind. 131 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,640 That exercise was an eye-opener for me, 132 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,600 and no pun intended, and I could speak 133 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,560 for much longer than the 4 minutes that 134 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,440 have been allowed here, so I will cut to 135 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,400 the chase. 136 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,680 MOTI has indicated that this was their 137 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,360 first intersection to receive tactile 138 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,520 mats 139 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,360 and that given the feedback that they 140 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,960 have now received this intersection will 141 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,480 serve as a pilot project. 142 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,120 They also note that the improvements 143 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,080 they are contemplating are not 144 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,600 conventional 145 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,160 nor standard for the ministry 146 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,000 infrastructure. 147 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,760 They go on to say in this instance due 148 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,800 to the unusual configuration of the 149 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:11,760 skewed intersection 150 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,840 the presence of a CNIB client with 151 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:15,680 specific concerns 152 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,120 and high use by pedestrians and cyclists 153 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,200 due to the Lockside Trail 154 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,080 we will be providing some upgraded 155 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,120 features to assist wayfinding. 156 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:26,680 It should be noted that there will be no 157 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,080 further wayfinding once a person has 158 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,480 left the intersection system and 159 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,560 consequently MOTTI jurisdiction. 160 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,600 So there is some risk in providing this 161 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 level of guidance when none exists 162 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,000 outside of the two traffic islands. 163 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,280 They proposed the following 164 00:06:44,280 --> 00:06:46,040 improvements. 165 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,360 The addition of a tactile mat on the 166 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,280 frontage of the Lockside Trail where it 167 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:52,480 crosses the right slip bay in the 168 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,320 southeast quadrant 169 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,320 wayfinding directional tactile 170 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:00,240 indicators on the southeast island and 171 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,760 where they can fit them they will 172 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,080 install tactile direction indicator 173 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,000 surfaces to correctly align users with 174 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 the crossings. 175 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,280 Of note here the northeast island has 176 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:12,840 limited space and there'll be 177 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,760 constraints in what can be done. 178 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,080 In addition it was clear that the 179 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:18,800 placement of the push buttons for the 180 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,640 crossing along with the signage were not 181 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,560 aligned with the crossing to provide 182 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:27,200 correct orientation for a safe crossing. 183 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,440 For now MOTTI is coordinating with Tommy 184 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,160 at the CNIB 185 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,720 to address some of the wayfinding 186 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,600 improvements that were identified at the 187 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:36,840 site. 188 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:38,680 And while there's no immediate timeline 189 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,000 on improvements they have suggested and 190 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,120 depending upon staff and contracting 191 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:44,480 scheduling, 192 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,280 the additions and improvements would be 193 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,080 completed sometime in the fall. 194 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,760 Fingers crossed here that this is a case 195 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,640 of perseverance paying off. 196 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,160 Susan also reminded me that MOTTI's 197 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,600 mandate is to move cars, not people. 198 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,480 So, my suggestion that it may be time 199 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,720 for a pedestrian cyclist overpass got 200 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,120 very little 201 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,520 much more than a smile. 202 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,400 In conclusion, Tommy has reminded me 203 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:11,200 that he and his office are available to 204 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,080 help and consult on accessibility 205 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:15,680 matters, including accessible voting for 206 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,480 the upcoming municipal election. 207 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,960 He asked that I share his contact 208 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:21,680 information with staff and the Saanich 209 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,360 Peninsula Accessibility Advisory 210 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Committee. 211 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,960 Thank you for your time and attention. 212 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,680 >> Thank you for coming forward with that 213 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:37,190 information tonight. 214 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,960 Good evening. 215 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:40,520 >> Good evening. My name is Charlene Froome 216 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,880 from North Saanich. 217 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,000 Sorry, thank you. Uh my name is Charlene 218 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,520 Froome from North Saanich. I didn't plan 219 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,520 on speaking tonight, but I just wanted 220 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,000 to follow up on 221 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:52,960 Barb Falick's comments with the 222 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,680 intersection and the crosswalks. 223 00:08:56,680 --> 00:08:58,960 At our last back meeting, we had quite a 224 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,680 an extensive review done of the 225 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,640 crosswalks in Sidney and and how many 226 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,440 variables there are to that. So, I just 227 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,440 wanted to add to it that along with 228 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Tommy and the committee, um going 229 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,040 forward, I know Sidney is planning to 230 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,360 update the crosswalks that um I'm hoping 231 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,560 that there will be consistency 232 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:20,480 in what we're doing on those crosswalks 233 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,200 and crossings, so that 234 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:23,839 people with low vision and blind have 235 00:09:23,839 --> 00:09:26,760 got some consistency in knowing how 236 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,920 they are going to approach these 237 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,080 sidewalks and crossings, so that there 238 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,680 is a a standard um going forward and and 239 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,240 allowing them safety in their crossing. 240 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,400 So, I just wanted to add that to 241 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,360 Barb's comments tonight. Thank you. 242 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:41,800 >> Thank you very much for taking the time 243 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,190 to come forward. 244 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,720 I'll call for a second time. Does anyone 245 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,790 else wish to come forward this evening? 246 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:52,320 And calling for a third time and seeing 247 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,440 none, I'll close the public 248 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,680 participation period and we'll now move 249 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,280 on to the first of the four items under 250 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:58,840 business not completed at the previous 251 00:09:58,840 --> 00:09:59,960 meeting. 252 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:02,360 Uh the first is uh item 6A, the 253 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,400 financial feasibility analysis and 254 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,440 stakeholder consultation 255 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,520 on zoning bylaw number 2275, 256 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,040 uh density bonus provisions, and I'll 257 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:12,920 turn to uh Mr. Newcombe, our director of 258 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,240 community planning, to provide an 259 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:15,200 introduction, please. 260 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,440 >> Thank you very much. 261 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,360 Uh so, in the spring of 2024, the 262 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,200 provincial government updated the local 263 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,440 government act to require municipalities 264 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,040 uh with zoning bylaws 265 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,080 uh that include a density bonusing 266 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:29,480 provision, 267 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:30,240 um 268 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,840 either a a new bylaw or an amending 269 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,560 bylaw or site-specific bylaw, uh that 270 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:37,160 these bylaws with the density bonusing 271 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,480 provision undergo an analysis, 272 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:40,240 um 273 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,080 the analysis is intended to ensure that 274 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,080 the the density bonusing provisions are 275 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,040 economically viable for uh development 276 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,200 projects. 277 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,200 Um there's also a one-time requirement 278 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,560 uh as part of this change that uh 279 00:10:53,560 --> 00:10:54,960 existing zoning bylaws that a 280 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,640 municipality might have also be uh 281 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,360 analyzed to ensure that any density 282 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,440 bonusing provisions uh are also um 283 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,480 economically viable. 284 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,720 So, uh a couple of months ago, the uh 285 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,960 staff uh contracted with a 286 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,120 uh qualified consultant to undergo this 287 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,280 analysis uh for the town's current 288 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:15,600 zoning bylaw. 289 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,960 Uh the results from that were that the 290 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,760 current density boning 291 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,040 density bonusing provisions are 292 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:23,720 economically viable. 293 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Uh there's a second requirement 294 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,480 associated with this, and that's to 295 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,720 uh undergo a round of consultation with 296 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:32,520 uh 297 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:33,920 individuals, 298 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,520 et cetera, that council feels 299 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,680 uh should be consulted as part of this 300 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:39,880 process. 301 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,560 And staff have made some recommendations 302 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:43,640 around that and uh happy to answer any 303 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,080 questions. Thank you. 304 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,400 >> Thank you, Mr. Newcombe. I'll turn to 305 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:47,720 colleagues if there are any questions on 306 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:49,520 this uh item. Uh Counselor O'Keefe, 307 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:50,800 please. 308 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,303 >> Uh thank you. Um 309 00:11:53,303 --> 00:11:53,320 >> [clears throat] 310 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,960 >> So, I did send some questions to staff, 311 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,800 so thanks for that, but I'm still uh 312 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,880 needing some help with uh 313 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,600 un- understanding. Um 314 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:05,160 So, when we're talking about the 315 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,320 financial viability, so I presume that 316 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,920 means looking at 317 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,200 the [clears throat] zoning bylaw, which 318 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:13,160 has 319 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,200 uh our base our base kind of density 320 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,080 that's permitted and then the bonus 321 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:20,080 density. So, I presume that's one 322 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,920 element of it. And then is the other 323 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,640 element also 324 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,520 looking at our that policy DVO 113 that 325 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,040 then outlines you know, if you have this 326 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,480 amount of density, you're going to pay 327 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,080 this amount. So, just wanting to clarify 328 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,320 that when we're talking about financial 329 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,640 viability, that I'm understanding 330 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,920 exactly what that is and what we're 331 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:45,760 looking at. 332 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:46,880 >> Counselor O'Keefe, can you maybe just 333 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:48,280 move your microphone a little closer? 334 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:49,360 >> Oh, sorry. Okay. 335 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,240 >> Thank you. 336 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,000 >> Uh uh thank you. Through the mayor to uh 337 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,400 Counselor O'Keefe. 338 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:54,360 Um 339 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,680 Yeah, so what the legislation says is 340 00:12:56,680 --> 00:12:58,120 that uh 341 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,400 we need to do an economic analysis of 342 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:01,960 the zoning bylaw. 343 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,760 Um but of course the zoning bylaw 344 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,320 doesn't exist in isolation. Uh there's 345 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,080 construction costs, there's land costs, 346 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,040 there's all sorts of inputs that go into 347 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:14,640 uh a development happening. Um 348 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:17,560 All of those things are just costs and 349 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:19,080 uh the density bonusing provision, if 350 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,640 it's uh if a developer chooses to use 351 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,680 it, is just one of those costs that 352 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:26,480 might be uh considered. And so, the 353 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:27,960 analysis 354 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,880 took into account just a a very broad 355 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,560 range of inputs, density bonusing being 356 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:34,920 one of them. 357 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,480 Um our proposed DCC rates were another 358 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,080 thing, land cost, construction costs, 359 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,280 any inputs into a development that cost 360 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:47,040 a development money were analyzed and that 361 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,120 out of that analysis, the density 362 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,520 bonusing provisions were found to be 363 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,840 viable overall for the total cost of 364 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,760 development. Yeah. 365 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,960 >> Good. So, that I I think I'm clear on 366 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,200 that. Um 367 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,400 and so, the report it also mentioned, 368 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,440 the staff report mentioned the Urbanics 369 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,400 report, which we hadn't seen, but thank 370 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,840 you for sending that this afternoon. And 371 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,080 I didn't have a chance, it's 70 pages, 372 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,280 so I didn't go through all of it, but I 373 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,520 just looked at some of the highlights. 374 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,840 And so, the questions I had were um 375 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,160 when I looked at the staff report, the 376 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,480 staff report seemed to suggest that 377 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,000 we're okay to leave the 378 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,440 bonus density amounts as they are, 379 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:33,320 which are 50 $50 per square meter for 380 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,280 the RM7WS 381 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,720 and 200 for everything else. So, 382 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:40,720 is 383 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,800 am I understanding 384 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,080 >> It's somewhat misstating it. So, there 385 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,720 there's sort of two parts to this 386 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,120 project. The first part was that the 387 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,720 provincial government requires us to 388 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:52,440 analyze the existing zoning bylaw as it 389 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:53,480 is 390 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,960 and determine its economic viability. 391 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:57,600 So, that's essentially what this staff 392 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:59,520 report is speaking to, that we've we've 393 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,480 analyzed the current state of affairs 394 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,520 as far as density bonusing is considered 395 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,120 and 396 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,400 yes, we believe based on this analysis 397 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,560 that it's viable. So, we also had the 398 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,400 consultant Urbanics do some additional 399 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,200 work about 400 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,880 what some other policy considerations 401 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,760 from the OCP's housing section might 402 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,560 look like from an economic standpoint. 403 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,120 And so that was sort of a second 404 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,600 part of the project, looking ahead, what 405 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,480 might we want to consider in the future 406 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,080 in terms of 407 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,240 um additional policy options, changing 408 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,440 the bonus uh density amounts that are 409 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,320 currently in the policy. 410 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,640 Um so that's the second part of the 411 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,040 project that's in the coming months 412 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:45,560 staff will be looking at that and 413 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,560 developing a policy approach that we can 414 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,680 bring back to council uh with some 415 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,800 potential changes um at which time if 416 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,920 council does want to move some of those 417 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,040 ahead or all of them ahead, uh we do 418 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,880 need to do another round of consultation 419 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,520 if it changes the current economic uh 420 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,800 structure in the zoning bylaw as far as 421 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:06,880 development is concerned. 422 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,200 If that makes sense. So it's a two-part 423 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:08,480 thing. 424 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,376 >> Yeah, yeah. So so I think um 425 00:16:11,376 --> 00:16:11,920 >> [clears throat] 426 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,320 >> when I was uh 427 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,600 what I had understood about other policy 428 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,600 considerations, I'm thinking about 429 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,920 there's things in there about 430 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,960 inclusionary zoning and um 431 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,600 you know, whether pay in lieu and a 432 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,520 number of different things. 433 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,440 The thing that I was wondering most 434 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,320 about was 435 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:30,040 um 436 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:34,160 the the Urbanics came out with what they 437 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,240 thought the bonus density rate structure 438 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,920 should be, which is quite different. So 439 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,320 those amounts of, you know, $50 and 200, 440 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,080 and they came out with quite a different 441 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:49,640 range of amounts. And so what I 442 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,880 what I'm wondering is I know there's 443 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:54,440 those other policy things, but in term 444 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,640 in terms of the financial viability and 445 00:16:57,640 --> 00:16:59,800 if we're going out to the development 446 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:02,080 community to ask about financial 447 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,760 viability, why we wouldn't go with these 448 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:09,160 amounts that have been recommended by 449 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,920 the uh consultant right now rather than 450 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,199 uh waiting cuz it 451 00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:17,439 if we paid them to do this and if 452 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:19,600 they're experts on it, it looks like 453 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,720 we're missing out on money 454 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,000 if we don't increase our rates. So, why 455 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,360 not do that now rather than later, I 456 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:27,079 guess. 457 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:28,640 >> Yeah, I guess it's a good question. So, 458 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,800 the as I said, the the current uh 459 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,920 intent is just to find out 460 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:37,040 the 461 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,160 economic viability of the current zoning 462 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,640 bylaw, and then what the if council does 463 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,200 choose to consult with the development 464 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,840 community on this, what the development 465 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,400 community's perspective on that current 466 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,760 density bonusing structure is, including 467 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:53,960 the rates. 468 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,640 Um 469 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,600 at the moment, Urbanics has just done an 470 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,840 analysis of what might be possible, 471 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,640 but there's significant implications of 472 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,600 going to something to a different rate. 473 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,880 And so, those implications might be 474 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,280 something like if the market changes, 475 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,680 there's now, you know, no longer any 476 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,080 freeboard to absorb, let's say a 477 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,520 10% market drop or something like that, 478 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:22,040 which has implications for um 479 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,200 the pace of development in the 480 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:24,520 community. So, staff haven't had a 481 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,360 chance to look at those 482 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,440 uh potential numbers that Urbanics 483 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,080 analyzed, and think of 484 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,560 deeply about, you know, what are the 485 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,400 implications of implementing these 486 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,120 numbers in Sydney. Um that's the work 487 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:38,120 that we're going to be doing over the 488 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:40,720 next few months to look at 489 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:42,600 do we want to change? If we do want to 490 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,000 change, what's a reasonable number? And 491 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,680 then bringing forward uh a 492 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,280 recommendation to council that we think 493 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,600 makes sense in terms of um 494 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,440 striking that very fine balance between 495 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:56,680 development viability, having Sydney as 496 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,280 an attractive place to do business in 497 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:00,160 terms of development, and so on and so 498 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,040 forth. So, until I think we have 499 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,720 council's blessing to move forward with 500 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,320 some of those potential future numbers, 501 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,840 I don't think we'd want to be consulting 502 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,480 with the development community on them, 503 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:12,920 given that they're not proposed uh 504 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,720 in a zoning bylaw. 505 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:18,520 >> Okay. I I I unders- understand that. I 506 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,000 I'm still kind of 507 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,720 Yeah, wondering about if the experts have come forward and 508 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,440 said, "This is viable." Why wouldn't we 509 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,400 do that? I guess my question would be I 510 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,120 understand staff would want to you know, 511 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,560 we just got the report I think on 512 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,880 Friday. 513 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Um 514 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,320 and that you know, you might need some 515 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,840 time to think that over. You know, is it 516 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,840 an option to give staff a bit more time 517 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,000 to at least not look at all of those 518 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,720 other policy recommendations, but just 519 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,920 look at these specific via bonus density 520 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,000 rate structure that they've been 521 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:00,240 proposed and come back to council, you 522 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,160 know, in early September with that. I 523 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,920 guess what I'm worried about is I 524 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:05,920 understand that the next time we're 525 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,920 going to look at this is maybe during 526 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:10,080 strategic planning, you know, in the new 527 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,240 term. And um 528 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,200 it seems that the rate structure 529 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,040 proposed by 530 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,440 Urban Analytics is quite a bit 531 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,840 different. And I guess I'm I'm worried 532 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,600 about the town uh losing out on being 533 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,240 able to um 534 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,440 collect on some of these things. So, 535 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,800 whether that might be an option. 536 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,280 >> Yeah, I mean I I think we're doing both 537 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,360 essentially. So, we we do need to assess 538 00:20:35,360 --> 00:20:37,680 the current zoning bylaw and consult on 539 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,480 the current zoning bylaw. 540 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,120 Um 541 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:41,920 that needs to be done essentially right 542 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,800 now. And so, that's why the the staff 543 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,240 recommendation is there to move ahead 544 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,080 with that. We are 545 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,080 100% looking at what are the options 546 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,640 going forward. And we're actively 547 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,720 working on that. We're just not ready to 548 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,200 say, you know, this is what we'd 549 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,240 recommend in terms of a a change right 550 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,880 now. Um I think there's there's more 551 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,040 work that needs to be done. 552 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,360 And Urban Analytics report is also 553 00:21:04,360 --> 00:21:07,360 written from the perspective of 554 00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:09,080 um 555 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:13,600 the town should be taking 100% of any 556 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,880 uh 557 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,800 monetary amount over and above a 558 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:18,880 standard level of profit for 559 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:21,760 development. Um there's merits to that 560 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,240 argument. There's also negatives to that 561 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,880 argument. And again, I I don't think 562 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,680 we've had time to fully kind of work 563 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,320 through what those might be on either 564 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,680 side. And so, I I would want to be 565 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,520 cautious about um you know, if we are 566 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:35,880 going to move forward with a change to 567 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,840 the bonus density amount that we have 568 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,680 currently, that we fully understand the 569 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,360 implications of that. And I I don't 570 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:43,440 think we do at this point. But, we do 571 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,440 need to consult on the current zoning 572 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,000 bylaws, 573 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,720 current density bonus rates. 574 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:50,880 >> Okay. 575 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,240 >> Thank you for that. 576 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,520 >> Thank you, Councillor Keefer. Councillor 577 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,840 Novick, uh I'll turn to CEO Edwards, 578 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,080 please. 579 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:58,520 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to 580 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,560 add to that um 581 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,680 I understand where Councillor Keefer's 582 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,480 coming from and and and recognize the uh 583 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,520 desire to move in that direction. It's 584 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,640 important to also note that any 585 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,360 in-stream applications will 586 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:16,560 adhere to the current rates. And so, um 587 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,200 you we we're not aware of any large 588 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,160 projects advancing in in the immediate 589 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,080 future. And so, 590 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,360 you know, we there still is time to make 591 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:30,240 some amendments in the near future on 592 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,800 this that hopefully will 593 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,080 capture any opportunities that we might 594 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,240 feel like 595 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,600 um are coming our way. 596 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,520 >> Thank you. I'll turn back to you, 597 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,080 Councillor. 598 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,840 >> I'm sorry, just to follow up on that. 599 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,640 So, is near future like 600 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,880 September? Or is that like in the next 601 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,480 term? 602 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,320 >> No, next term. It's uh Council has 603 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,000 already um 604 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,280 discussed this in this current strategic 605 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,080 plan that this would be next term work. 606 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:58,840 >> Okay. Thank you. 607 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:00,680 >> Thank you. Councillor Novick, please. 608 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:01,880 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. Through you to 609 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:02,960 staff. 610 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:04,560 Uh, 611 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,360 I'm I'm I have a couple of questions 612 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:08,520 about the uh, engagement with the 613 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,520 development community. 614 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,800 And uh, for my first question is uh, how 615 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,480 wide a net uh, 616 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,840 do you cast with this? Like, what is 617 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,560 the development community? Is it just a 618 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,640 couple of big developers? Is it people 619 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,960 that build 620 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,240 duplexes here and there? How do you 621 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,280 decide who the development community is? 622 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:30,760 >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor, to Councillor 623 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,080 Novick. Uh, good question. So, what 624 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,240 we're planning to do is use largely the 625 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,360 same list that we used for the DCC bylaw 626 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:41,200 consultation, uh, which does include uh, 627 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,120 the Urban Development Institute uh, 628 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:47,240 Victoria chapter, and then a list of 629 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,960 uh, developers who have essentially done 630 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,280 business in Sidney over the last 631 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,280 couple of years, I think was it? Uh, 632 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:54,600 maybe with a couple of additions or 633 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,440 subtractions, uh, where we have some 634 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,560 specific knowledge about that that uh, 635 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,000 developer, but we do have a a list of 636 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,920 people who would be affected by this in 637 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,080 terms of 638 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:04,640 uh, 639 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,440 potential development projects, and so 640 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:07,560 we'd reach out to them. 641 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,040 >> So, it it would be a broad net. Is Is 642 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:10,720 that correct? 643 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,040 >> Yeah. 644 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,480 >> Okay, thank you. Uh, my second question 645 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:14,520 is 646 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,070 um, 647 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,760 following this engagement, you're going 648 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,520 to get some feedback. It's unlikely that 649 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,080 the development community is going to 650 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,120 ask for higher DCCs. 651 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:30,200 What what would you expect to do with the 652 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,200 results of this engagement, and how will 653 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,560 that help 654 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,320 to form your ultimate 655 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,200 table of rates? 656 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:41,960 >> So, 657 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,600 the province doesn't actually require 658 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:46,800 any 659 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,080 action out of the engagement. They 660 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,200 require that we do the analysis, and 661 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,360 they require that we engage where we 662 00:24:54,360 --> 00:24:57,360 consult with whoever council thinks will 663 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,880 be affected. 664 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:00,160 Um 665 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,600 based on the numbers in the report, uh 666 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,440 as Councillor O'Keefe alluded to, um 667 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,040 currently I would say the the density 668 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,440 bonusing rates are quite affordable. 669 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,680 Um and have been in place for a 670 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,880 significant amount of time, and I don't 671 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,640 think we've heard a lot of pushback from 672 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,360 the development community about the 673 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:22,040 current rates. And so my expectations 674 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,160 would be, of course, that, you know, the 675 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:25,320 development community would say 676 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,280 something like, "Well, gee, any costs 677 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,040 make it difficult to do projects," which 678 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,160 is true. Um 679 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,640 however, I think 680 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,720 these rates, in and of themselves, 681 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,160 aren't sort of a deal-killer level. And 682 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,880 so I think, you know, we'll we'll hear a 683 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,400 typical sort of 684 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,000 "We need to be wary of costs, but given 685 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,960 what the report says, and I think given 686 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,200 that the development community has been 687 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,040 working with these numbers over the last 688 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,480 several years, um 689 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,960 if the feedback from the development 690 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,280 community is like, you know, "Gee, it's 691 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,120 a cost, but, you know, we can make it 692 00:25:58,120 --> 00:26:00,720 work," uh no more action is necessary. 693 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,240 We've fulfilled our obligations under 694 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:08,390 the legislation, and we can move on and start working on um 695 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,640 different policy choices that we can 696 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,440 bring back to council around things like 697 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,560 inclusionary zoning and and other uh 698 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:15,880 considerations. 699 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,240 >> So we have to reach out to the 700 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,240 development community, listen to them, 701 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,800 file it away in a drawer, and not 702 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,520 necessarily do anything with the 703 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,440 results of that engagement. Is is that 704 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,160 correct? Or the gov- the government 705 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,840 doesn't oblige us to, but we may 706 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,600 incorporate that into our work. 707 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,800 >> To to a degree it's correct. I think if 708 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,960 the development community came back with 709 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,520 significant and serious concerns about 710 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,160 the current bylaw, uh I think staff 711 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,720 would report back to council and say, 712 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,040 "Look, this is what we've heard. Um some 713 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760 action might be necessary here." And 714 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,800 certainly if we hear that, we'll be coming back to council with a 715 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,560 staff report. Um I think again, given 716 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:58,470 what the report says about the rates, 717 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,040 if we get the uh response we're 718 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,640 expecting to, I think yes, it's sort of 719 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:04,880 followed the way we've fulfilled our 720 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,880 provincial obligation, and then look 721 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,880 ahead and if we do decide to make some 722 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,120 changes at that point, that next stage 723 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,560 of consultation on any different rates 724 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,480 might be more 725 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,480 uh telling in terms of, you know, how 726 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:18,880 far 727 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,560 might the town want to push in terms of 728 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,390 um 729 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,280 more challenging 730 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:26,920 uh 731 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,120 requests of developments like 732 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:30,680 inclusionary zoning that might have a 733 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,480 bit of a higher ask. 734 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,280 >> Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, 735 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:34,600 Mayor. 736 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,040 >> Thank you, Counselor. 737 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,760 >> Are there any other questions from 738 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,600 staff? Uh seeing none, we do have staff 739 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,080 recommendation if somebody would 740 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:42,600 consider moving it. 741 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Like Counselor Grenier. 742 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,080 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I'll move the 743 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,480 recommendation that staff proceed with 744 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:48,680 stakeholder engagement with the 745 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,920 development community regarding the 746 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,160 bonus density fee provisions in zoning 747 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,200 bylaw number 2275. 748 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,400 >> Second. 749 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,960 >> Moved uh by Counselor Grenier, seconded 750 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,040 by Counselor Novick. I'll turn to the 751 00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:58,920 movers. 752 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:59,960 >> I have nothing to add. There's been 753 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:01,400 fullsome discussion. Thank you, Mayor. 754 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,600 >> Thank you, Counselor. 755 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,400 >> Likewise, nothing to add. 756 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,000 >> Uh 757 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,280 any further discussion? Counselor 758 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,160 O'Keefe, please. 759 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,520 >> Uh thank you. 760 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,000 Uh I'm not in favor of this uh for a few 761 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,760 reasons. Um 762 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,760 we've known for a long time that our 763 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,120 current bonus density is not where it 764 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,480 should be. It's been, I think, I don't 765 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,160 know, maybe decades, but you know, I I 766 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,400 it seems that it's been uh a long time 767 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,000 since it's been um updated. Um and I 768 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,360 know that, 769 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:33,320 you know, because the province required 770 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,880 us to pre-zone certain parts of the 771 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,960 community, we've missed out on the 772 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:41,880 opportunity to to 773 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,400 recover the lift on that. Um and I 774 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,920 recognize that the provincial government 775 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,600 has since given us some tools through 776 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,040 DCCs and ACCs to help get those 777 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:55,520 amenities. 778 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,200 Um 779 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,600 So, what I worry about is by delaying 780 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,840 the 781 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,520 um I would have rather seen 782 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,120 these the rates from Urbanics, if we had 783 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,120 to give staff a bit of time to to look 784 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,880 at those, I would prefer to be going out 785 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,520 to the development community with those 786 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:16,120 um 787 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,080 the proposed rates from Urbanics. And I 788 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,960 understand, you know, staff's comments 789 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,800 that there's not too many 790 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:27,360 uh developments in the in the queue that 791 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800 might uh that this might impact. 792 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,120 However, this seems to me something 793 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,160 that's going to take a while. If it goes 794 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,880 to strategic planning, then we'll 795 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,400 discuss it, then we'll have to go 796 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,720 through a process and more engagement. 797 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,120 Um I don't know. I'm thinking it might 798 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,200 be another year before uh we get these 799 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,080 higher rates. And then in in the 800 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,360 meantime, there are other developments 801 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,720 that come along and and we miss out on 802 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,560 the opportunity to to recoup some money 803 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,040 for the community. So, that's those are 804 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,640 my reservations. So, um my reasons for 805 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560 uh not moving forward uh as it is. Thank 806 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,720 you. 807 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,160 >> Uh thank you, counselor. Uh seeing no 808 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,320 Counselor Gurney, please. 809 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:12,920 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. Just just to 810 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:14,920 address um 811 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,640 my from my perspective why I do support 812 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,080 it is we don't necessarily those are 813 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,600 proposed rates from from a consultant. 814 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,120 Our staff has not had a chance to look 815 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,400 at it yet uh through our zoning bylaw, 816 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:26,840 through their eyes, and they have more 817 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,720 familiarity being the community. They 818 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,760 may come to a different conclusion. And 819 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,120 maybe these rates will be very similar 820 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,600 to through what the work they do with us 821 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,280 with the council next council, and the 822 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,120 work that our staff does, the rates may 823 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,760 be similar to what's already proposed in 824 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,920 our own zoning bylaw. So, do we delay 825 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,880 that not knowing? It's It's I think we 826 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,320 should move forward on and try to align 827 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280 with provincial legislation. Thank you. 828 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,200 >> Thank you, counselor. 829 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,480 I'm now not seeing any further 830 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,640 discussion. I'll look to call the 831 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,800 question. Those in favor? 832 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,720 Opposed? Counselor O'Keefe is opposed. 833 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,160 The motion carries. Thank you. 834 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,600 Returning to item 6B, the housing target 835 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,240 order report for second reporting period 836 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,240 July 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026. 837 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:10,800 We have a report and I'll turn to our 838 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,240 director of development services, Miss 839 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,040 Forhagen. Good evening. 840 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,680 >> Good evening. Thank you. 841 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,240 As is indicated in the report, Sydney 842 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,760 received a housing target order in June 843 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,800 of 2024. So, this is our second 844 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,440 reporting period. This report captures 845 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,200 the number of occupancy permits, 846 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,680 demolition permits issued, number of 847 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,280 housing units created and lost through 848 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,280 development and demolition for the year 849 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,360 from 850 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:39,160 July 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026. So, 851 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,440 the year that's just ended here. 852 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,560 Um 853 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,320 the housing target order gives 854 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,920 cumulative totals. So, here we are at 855 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,160 the end of our second year. We're 856 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840 supposed to have created 181 857 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,480 new complete housing units. So, that 858 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440 means occupancy permits issued within 859 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480 that time frame for 181 units. 860 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,520 In the first year, as the report says in 861 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,320 the background section, 862 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,720 we issued 126 863 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,120 occupancy permits or occupancy permits 864 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,400 for 126 dwelling units. 865 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,280 We lost 36 units through demolition 866 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,280 permits and that resulted in a net total 867 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,200 of 90. So, we were on track for the 868 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,360 first year. In the second year, the 869 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,560 numbers were a little lower. 870 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,280 In the last reporting period, we issued 871 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,160 occupancy permits for a total of 28 872 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,000 dwelling units and demolition permits 873 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,480 for a total of 19 dwelling units. That 874 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,640 results in a net total of nine completed 875 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,200 housing units. So, we're at a total of 876 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280 90 nine units for the two years and 877 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,080 we're supposed to be at at 878 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,800 So, we are a bit low. 879 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,240 But, but if you read on in the report 880 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,120 and look through the rest of the the 881 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,040 information in the housing target order 882 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,560 report, it shows there is a number of 883 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,440 dwelling units in the pipeline coming. 884 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:49,840 Um 885 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,360 we've issued building permits for 886 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:54,600 there's building permit applications 887 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,240 under review for a total of 261 new 888 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,720 dwelling units 889 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,120 right now. That's in addition to the 890 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,400 number of units that have been approved 891 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880 by development permit, which is 235 892 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:05,920 units. 893 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,000 And we also have 58 units approved by 894 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,760 building permit. Out there under 895 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,680 construction right now as of today's 896 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,120 date, so uh past the time of this 897 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,640 report, there's I think around 45 units 898 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,440 under construction. 899 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,440 So, things are happening. This just this 900 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,520 the stats in this report represents this 901 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,000 cycle in the kind of construction phase 902 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,840 that Sydney was in for the past year. 903 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,680 Uh we do need to send this report to the 904 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,160 ministry by August 15th, which is 45 905 00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,680 days maximum of 45 days after the end of 906 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,640 the reporting period. So, I'd be happy 907 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,600 to answer any questions. Thank you. 908 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,000 >> Thanks. Thank you, Ms. Frehlich. And 909 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,280 I'll turn to colleagues. Are there any 910 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,880 questions of the housing report? 911 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,680 Not seeing any. It's we've had it 912 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,520 previously for last year and 913 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,840 thanks to you for bringing it forward. 914 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,080 As is required, I would look for someone 915 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,160 to move the recommendation, please. 916 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,480 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I'll move that 917 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,000 council receive the progress report for 918 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,080 July 1st, 2025 to June 30th, 2026 and 919 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,560 direct staff to post the report on the 920 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,240 town website and submit it to the 921 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,280 province. 922 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,200 >> Second. 923 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,440 >> Moved by councilors Garnett and Novick. 924 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:09,840 I'll turn to the movers. 925 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:10,960 >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Just just a 926 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,440 brief comment. 927 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,919 And I think when I look through this 928 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:16,879 report and I think Central Saanich is 929 00:34:16,879 --> 00:34:18,800 had 24 net units in their period and 930 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,840 they had to have more than us. 931 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,399 It's a there's a flaw in the way they 932 00:34:22,399 --> 00:34:24,360 designed this from my perspective and 933 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:25,560 I've always felt this way. When you're 934 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,720 looking at occupancy permits, 935 00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:29,520 it should be relating it at applications 936 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,040 that have been approved, development 937 00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,240 approve applications from from the way I 938 00:34:33,240 --> 00:34:35,280 look at it because as a council, we 939 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,639 don't control market conditions, 940 00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:39,639 interest rates, construction costs, 941 00:34:39,639 --> 00:34:42,919 um supply chain issues. And uh I looked 942 00:34:42,919 --> 00:34:45,480 at numbers based on what we've approved 943 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,760 in terms of uh developments, whether or 944 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,320 not they go forward. And it's combined 945 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,840 with what we've already had occupancy 946 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,360 permits for, it's over 600 units. So, I 947 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,879 think we'll make our total total in 5 948 00:34:55,879 --> 00:34:57,640 years if things shape up the way they 949 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,080 should. But as I said, we don't control 950 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,480 what happens outside of us. We can only 951 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,480 control what we approve. And 952 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,160 I'm thinking to myself, "What about 953 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,480 labor shortages?" And I thought, "I 954 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,120 mean, maybe maybe if all seven members 955 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,400 of council go back to school and get a 956 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,320 red seal and and be electricians and 957 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,760 plumbers and contractors, we can go out 958 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,360 there and help build." But even then, 959 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,680 we're not going to help meet the target. 960 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:17,600 So, 961 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:18,960 I think it's it's important for the 962 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,120 community to realize that we can only do 963 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,280 so much as a council. And um you know, 964 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:24,680 the government set the target, they set 965 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,560 the parameters. It's just really 966 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,440 difficult to work in them given economic 967 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,280 conditions. Thank you, Mayor. 968 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,920 >> Thank you, uh Counselor. 969 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,680 I'll turn to the secondary. 970 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:34,560 Uh Counselor Nault? 971 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,520 >> Uh nothing to add, Mayor. 972 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,720 >> Thank you. 973 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:40,400 Not seeing any any other speakers. This 974 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,680 is a This is a big topic. It's followed 975 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,000 uh around the region or around the 976 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,800 province. And and I'm in support of the 977 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,560 motion and thanks staff 978 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,160 uh for both the report uh and the 979 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,800 housing target order progress report 980 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,080 that uh we're required and will submit 981 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,360 uh to the province. 982 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,080 I I want to re- re- reiterate uh some of 983 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,360 the points with some perspective. Um 984 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,360 while Sidney's annual housing targets 985 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,400 are somewhat uniform over the 5-year 986 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,560 period, uh '91, 987 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,200 '93, '95, uh and then '99, 988 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,560 um as Counselor uh Garnett just spoke, 989 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,720 the town does not build housing uh and 990 00:36:13,720 --> 00:36:15,520 does not control the changing market 991 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,520 variables and conditions 992 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:18,960 uh that the private sector property 993 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,760 owners and developers uh must consider, 994 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,880 you know, when they're deciding to 995 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,560 submit their applications and ultimately 996 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,160 build and and complete their projects. 997 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,320 Uh this has and and those market 998 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,080 variables and those conditions have and will cause fluctuations in building 999 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,120 activity and and new home new home 1000 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480 occupancy. I think fluctuations are more 1001 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,800 likely when there are larger projects 1002 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,200 proposed. And in Sydney, we see 1003 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,640 the larger approved projects are 180 1004 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:51,480 units, 140 units, 60 units, uh, 49 and 48. And in looking at our monthly 1005 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,160 uh, building report that's included on 1006 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,080 tonight's agenda, we see that the 140 1007 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,240 unit project at 2180 Beacon Avenue 1008 00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:01,040 received its DP development permit from 1009 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,320 council in May of 2024. Uh, the 60 unit 1010 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,000 project at uh, 1011 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,200 2060 White Birch received its DP from 1012 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,560 council in January of '24. 1013 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,800 Uh, and the 49 and 48 um, unit projects 1014 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,040 at 95 9522 Lockside, uh, the former 1015 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,280 Cedar Woods Inn site, uh, received their 1016 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,360 DP from council in March of 2024. So, 1017 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:23,880 market variables and conditions have 1018 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,280 certainly changed over the last 2 years 1019 00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000 um, uh, that those that those were 1020 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,880 approved. Interestingly, the 180 unit 1021 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,760 purpose-built rental at 21 1022 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,520 14 um, Beacon Avenue West received its 1023 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,400 DP from council in September 25 uh, more 1024 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,680 recently uh, than the others mentioned. 1025 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,920 And uh, it's currently under 1026 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,120 construction. 1027 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,000 So, we've set the table for development 1028 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,040 in our community uh, over the long term 1029 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,480 with comprehensive with the 1030 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,920 comprehensive update of our OCP and 1031 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,240 zoning bylaws in recent years. 1032 00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,200 Uh, and in addition to the some 500 1033 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,800 units of housing approved by council, 1034 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,480 the report noted as uh, Mr. Verheggen 1035 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,240 noted uh, that there are development 1036 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:05,920 applications under consideration for 1037 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,560 another 118 uh, new dwelling units. So, 1038 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,000 with the 99 uh, net new homes completed 1039 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,320 over the last 2 years, over 600 housing 1040 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,920 units approved under or under 1041 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,440 consideration, 1042 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,600 uh, and future applications are likely. 1043 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,320 Uh, I remain confident we'll achieve and 1044 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,400 exceed our housing targets of housing 1045 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,360 target of 448 homes over the 5-year 1046 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,720 housing target period. 1047 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:30,560 I'll leave my comments there and I've 1048 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,160 seen no further speakers look to call 1049 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,640 the question. All in favor? 1050 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,790 That carries unanimous. Thank you. 1051 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,720 So now we're turning to 6T which is that 1052 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,800 monthly building report that I alluded 1053 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,000 to. There is no recommendation. It's for 1054 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,440 information. I'll turn to colleagues if 1055 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,560 there are any questions or comments 1056 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,640 from staff. 1057 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,920 I'm not seeing any. We will move forward 1058 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,240 to the next item 1059 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,280 which was the under 6D the bioregional 1060 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,480 planning 1061 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,560 on the Saanich Peninsula. Councillor 1062 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,360 O'Keefe, you raised this at the last 1063 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,840 meeting. It was 1064 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,360 an email from 1065 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:10,640 Bob Pert from the Saanich Peninsula Environmental Coalition 1066 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,560 on their checkup final report. Did you 1067 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,000 wish to speak to that tonight, please? 1068 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,440 >> Thank you, Mayor. 1069 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,240 Yeah, so I just 1070 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:19,920 read through the report. 1071 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,120 I think 1072 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,880 it's important to 1073 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,920 acknowledge I think the significant time 1074 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,920 and energy that the Saanich Peninsula 1075 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,920 Environmental Coalition SPEC has done 1076 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,440 along with the support from the Action 1077 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,280 on Climate Team from Simon Fraser 1078 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,160 University that did community workshops 1079 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,480 which several of us attended and they 1080 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,560 presented to all three Peninsula 1081 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680 municipalities 1082 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,560 in May and now this report which focuses 1083 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,480 on the need for bioregional planning and 1084 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,840 how the three Saanich municipalities 1085 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,560 are doing in that regard. 1086 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,640 Some of the highlights I found valuable 1087 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,560 the inventory of all the plans and 1088 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,960 policies from the local governments that 1089 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,960 relate to climate environment. They 1090 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,360 identified a number of instances where 1091 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,480 there's already some collaboration 1092 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,040 taking place 1093 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:13,840 um 1094 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,600 and it's noted that there is significant 1095 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,240 alignment in our the three 1096 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,720 municipalities intent, but uh there's 1097 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,720 room for improvement when it comes to 1098 00:40:25,720 --> 00:40:28,920 the execution and collaboration of 1099 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,000 working together on these things. So, I 1100 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:32,560 think we would be missing a huge 1101 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,680 opportunity if we didn't focus some time 1102 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,720 figuring out how we can work better 1103 00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:40,240 together with the three municipalities 1104 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:41,880 on this. 1105 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,920 Um not enough time to do that in this 1106 00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:45,880 term. So, um 1107 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,720 I would move I guess I've motivated 1108 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,080 before the motion, but excuse me for 1109 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,840 that. Uh I would move that the report 1110 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,600 from SPEC titled Checkup 1111 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,320 be referred to the first strategic 1112 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,680 planning session in the next council 1113 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:04,200 term to consider establishment of a 1114 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,880 Saanich Peninsula Bioregional Framework. 1115 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,390 >> Second. 1116 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,640 So, we have it moved and seconded. Uh I 1117 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,000 all agree with you that you've done 1118 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,120 somewhat of Asian uh already, but I'll turn back to you uh 1119 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,880 to uh complete. 1120 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:25,400 >> Yeah, um I I guess I think the if if the report provided a lot of 1121 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680 recommendations what we could do, set up 1122 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,080 a tri-municipal committee, there's a 1123 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,960 bunch of other things, but I think the 1124 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,440 first thing is 1125 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,200 you know, uh council agreeing that this 1126 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,400 is a strategic priority. This is 1127 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,360 something important for us. And so, 1128 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,360 that's what I would propose that we do 1129 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,320 at strategic planning and uh 1130 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,600 as as a first step. 1131 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,040 >> Thank you, counselor. Uh counselor 1132 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,400 Garnett, do you wish to 1133 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,360 >> Yeah, thank you, mayor. And and 1134 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,640 uh thank you, counselor O'Keefe, for 1135 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,000 raising this. And for the for SPEC for 1136 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,760 the work uh having attended the forum, 1137 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520 it was really interesting to sit at at a 1138 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,360 table two different tables cuz there 1139 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,280 were two different segments with people 1140 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,240 from um other areas in the peninsula, 1141 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,080 and where areas some of them just 1142 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,080 regular citizens and where they felt 1143 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:10,320 councils were failing and where they 1144 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,320 were succeeding, and it was a it was a 1145 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,560 good eye-opener. Um I think one of the 1146 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,320 recommendations they made was to create 1147 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:17,720 a Saanich Peninsula Environmental 1148 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:19,200 Advisory Committee, and I do think 1149 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,920 that's a worthwhile goal. 1150 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:22,240 So, hopefully, when the strat planning 1151 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,200 happens on the next council, they'll 1152 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,240 give consideration to that. 1153 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,040 And in particular around the bioregional 1154 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,000 diversity, but you know, we we live in a 1155 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,480 an area that's very interconnected in 1156 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,880 the environment and impacts of climate 1157 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,240 change. They don't respect borders. So, 1158 00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:37,880 I think we lose we lose focus that we 1159 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:38,960 try to fix things in our own 1160 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,480 municipality, and we don't realize how 1161 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,080 they they are so interconnected, and you 1162 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,600 don't have to look further than the 1163 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,440 connection to Reay or well, it's a creek 1164 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,920 from North Saanich to Sidney and all the 1165 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,600 years of the industrial work on the 1166 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,640 airport, which led to cadmium in Reay 1167 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,480 Creek pond and the work that had to be 1168 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,200 done to remediate that. So, there's the 1169 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:56,640 connection there that happened between 1170 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,560 two municipalities, and then, of course, 1171 00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,880 there's the coastal shoreline that so 1172 00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,120 much of it is shared. So, I do think 1173 00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,560 this is a it's something that's kind of 1174 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,760 something that we we always have in our eye sightlines and we're focused 1175 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,440 on, but we do need to look at it from 1176 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,080 the perspective of the entire peninsula 1177 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,160 because we we do impact each other in 1178 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,720 decisions we make, and I think sometimes 1179 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:15,920 that gets a little bit lost in the 1180 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,040 shuffle. Thank you, Mayor. 1181 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,560 >> Thank you, Counselor. Counselor Duncan, 1182 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,680 please. 1183 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,000 >> Yeah, thank you. 1184 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,680 Counselor O'Keefe, for the 1185 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:24,880 motion. 1186 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:26,160 Um 1187 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:34,000 I was disappointed by SPECS' report. I feel this is something that they they put a lot of work in, 1188 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,440 but I feel the same people are sitting 1189 00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,560 at the table still representing the 1190 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,360 community, and I know when they came to 1191 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,560 present, 1192 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,400 I said, you know, based on what we've 1193 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,960 seen, I feel the municipalities have 1194 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,120 kind of 1195 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,000 reached the low-hanging fruit, and we've 1196 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,640 and probably beyond that, and our 1197 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,000 frameworks are decent, and we should 1198 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,640 have been able to achieve these things 1199 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,280 even with just what we have in place. 1200 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,920 Like more administration, more 1201 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,640 bureaucracy, more paper pushing is not 1202 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,680 what's necessary. Um where we'd run into 1203 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,640 limitations was actually then when we've 1204 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:07,800 tried to implement things 1205 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,280 um on public land where it bordered 1206 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,040 private land, the private land owners 1207 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,120 blocked us. Literally five people were 1208 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,360 able to block the entire town of Sydney 1209 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,200 from managing our own parks. So, I said 1210 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000 the people who actually have the power 1211 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,400 remaining 1212 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:26,920 that we have seen, just like with 1213 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,200 housing, 1214 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,160 right? are private land owners. And the 1215 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,360 private land owners are not at the spec 1216 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,480 table. This is a bunch of community 1217 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,400 members who say, "We want other people 1218 00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,400 to do things, and we want the 1219 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,640 municipalities to force people who 1220 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,680 aren't us to do things with their land." 1221 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,040 And until those private land owners are 1222 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,520 actually at that table, it's not going 1223 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:52,760 to happen. And so, I 1224 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,560 I'm okay with this I'm happy to have 1225 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,720 this go forward for strategic planning 1226 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,280 if what it means councils are going to 1227 00:44:58,280 --> 00:44:59,400 say 1228 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,720 once this is under our priority, and 1229 00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:05,280 we're going to allocate tax money to 1230 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,600 doing this, 1231 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,240 we will do the community engagement, and 1232 00:45:09,240 --> 00:45:11,320 therefore we will make sure that the 1233 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,400 private land owners who actually control 1234 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,360 the shorefront property, who control the 1235 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,840 green space that they own, 1236 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,880 can actually will will be on board and 1237 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,920 will do what they want. Because that's 1238 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,120 currently not being done. And when I 1239 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,840 asked Spec about it, they didn't even 1240 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,200 seem to 1241 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,200 acknowledge that that was what did need 1242 00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,640 to be done, and that those were the 1243 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,160 community people who needed to be 1244 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:33,520 engaged. 1245 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,280 This wasn't a limitation of government, 1246 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,440 just like with housing. 1247 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,160 >> Thank you, Councillor Duncan. 1248 00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:42,800 See uh Councillor O'Keefe for a second 1249 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,280 time. 1250 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,000 >> Yeah, sure. I just um comment I I agree 1251 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:47,760 with uh Councillor Duncan. There's 1252 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,720 certainly a role for private land owners 1253 00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:53,760 to to step in that step up on that. But 1254 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,680 what I heard through the workshops is 1255 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,480 like some tangible tangible 1256 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,480 uh examples of how we could as uh 1257 00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,720 municipal governments, uh work better 1258 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,240 together. One of the examples given was 1259 00:46:07,240 --> 00:46:09,720 about the tree canopy. And that we all 1260 00:46:09,720 --> 00:46:12,120 do our separate analysis of our tree 1261 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,360 canopy, which involves sending somebody 1262 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,320 up in an airplane, and they they take 1263 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,120 pictures and that sort of thing. And um 1264 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,880 I 1265 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,000 what I found out is that all three of us 1266 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,200 paid to do that separately. And so, that 1267 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,880 was just one example of if we were all 1268 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,520 kind of had our 1269 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,120 kind of ducks lined up in a row, and we 1270 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,280 all knew what we were working on, we 1271 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,920 could that would be an area that we 1272 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,760 could work on together and save the 1273 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,000 taxpayers money. So, I think there are 1274 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,360 some tangible things in there just as an 1275 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,720 example. Thank you. 1276 00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:46,080 >> Thank you. I see no further discussion a 1277 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:47,320 discussion. I'll call the question. 1278 00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,040 Those in favor? 1279 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:53,030 Uh that carries unanimous. Thank you. 1280 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,840 And so, that completes the four items 1281 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,640 that were brought forward from our last 1282 00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,680 agenda. We'll move to the first item on 1283 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,120 tonight's agenda. 1284 00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:04,400 Under bylaws 8A is bylaw number 2302 1285 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,480 amenity cost charges, also known as 1286 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,320 ACCs. I'll turn to our director of 1287 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,880 finance, Mr. Hiscock, please. Good 1288 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:11,680 evening. 1289 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,840 >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. 1290 00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,360 The ACCs are new development financing 1291 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,280 tool introduced around the time that the 1292 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,320 town embarked on an update of our DCC 1293 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,720 program. 1294 00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:25,400 ACCs are intended to help fund certain 1295 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,600 amenities that are not eligible for 1296 00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:29,040 DCCs. 1297 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,840 An amenity is a facility or feature that 1298 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,600 provides social, cultural, heritage, 1299 00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,720 recreational, or environmental benefits 1300 00:47:36,720 --> 00:47:38,160 to a community. 1301 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,160 And they include the following common 1302 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,040 examples. 1303 00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:45,240 Recreation centers, um 1304 00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:47,640 athletic facilities, libraries, public 1305 00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,000 squares. 1306 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,680 You will notice that many of these 1307 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,400 services that I just listed are not 1308 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,000 provided directly by the town. 1309 00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,960 And um as a result, we have more work to 1310 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,760 do in finding a way to maximize the 1311 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,160 benefit of ACCs through partnerships 1312 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,800 with other service providers. For 1313 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,400 example, subregional recreation. 1314 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,680 For this initial ACC program, we focused 1315 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,200 on amenities identified through our 1316 00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:17,280 um ongoing parks planning process. 1317 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,360 So, the rates proposed in this bylaw 1318 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,640 have already been approved by council. 1319 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,600 This bylaw, when adopted, will put them 1320 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,200 into effect. 1321 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,040 And these rates are very modest when 1322 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,920 compared to our DCC rates. 1323 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,480 Now, I'm pleased to report that we were 1324 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,960 informed late last week that our DCC 1325 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,680 bylaw received ministerial approval, 1326 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,000 and it will be brought forward for 1327 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,320 adoption in September. 1328 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,000 And the town will also bring forward a 1329 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,560 waivers and reductions bylaw in 1330 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,200 September to complete the package. 1331 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:49,240 And if council has any more questions 1332 00:48:49,240 --> 00:48:50,600 about the report, I'd be pleased to 1333 00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:51,640 address. 1334 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,120 >> Uh thank you, Mr. Hiscock, and thank you 1335 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,120 for sharing the good news. Uh 1336 00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:56,400 I'll turn to Councillor Keith with 1337 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,240 questions. 1338 00:48:57,240 --> 00:49:00,240 >> Uh thank you. So, in questions that I 1339 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,000 sent um this afternoon, my understanding 1340 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,360 is that so things like say uh new 1341 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,840 facilities for arts theater, the museum, 1342 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,000 or maybe a public square could 1343 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,640 potentially be uh funded through ACCs, 1344 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,640 but there would be some additional work 1345 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,680 and analysis and cost specific costing 1346 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:23,320 um 1347 00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,880 would be required for that, and my 1348 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,120 understanding is the staff would 1349 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,600 maybe be looking at uh 1350 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,640 coming up with another list of potential 1351 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:36,240 things to add to the list maybe sometime 1352 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,120 in the in the next term, my 1353 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,720 understanding is correct. 1354 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:45,880 >> Um that is correct, Councillor. We focused 1355 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,600 in this initial iteration on on plans we 1356 00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,120 already had 1357 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,080 um 1358 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,680 to create something brand new will take 1359 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,360 some time and certainly we'd be coming 1360 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,200 to council with some um 1361 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,960 initial recommendations and uh seeking 1362 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,840 direction in what you would like to see 1363 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,280 included and 1364 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,080 things like um 1365 00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:09,600 art seer museum facilities uh council 1366 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,400 has to make a conscious decision for the 1367 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,240 town to take on funding for those 1368 00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:15,960 external agencies and only with with 1369 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:17,920 that direction would be build them into 1370 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,960 a future ACC program. 1371 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,120 >> Right. Okay. Yeah, thank you. And um 1372 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,200 yeah, thank you for your comment about 1373 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,800 Panorama recreation cuz that was another 1374 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,760 one that I I was uh thinking about and 1375 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,200 um so my understanding is 1376 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,560 that the the uh 1377 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,640 Peninsula recreation Panorama recreation 1378 00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,640 wouldn't necessarily uh initiate that on 1379 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,040 their own. So that would need to be 1380 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,640 initiated by the three local governments 1381 00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,640 to uh I guess instruct or direct the the 1382 00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:56,120 commission to come up with a uh sub 1383 00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,400 regional 1384 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,200 um ACC then. That would have to come 1385 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,640 from us. 1386 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,000 Just 1387 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,720 confirming that's my understanding. 1388 00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:07,360 >> Um 1389 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,360 because uh 1390 00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,520 essentially the facilities under 1391 00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,840 uh Panorama rec are technically owned by 1392 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,800 um the CRD. They would be the ones who 1393 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,840 would have to enact a sub regional um 1394 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,400 charge 1395 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,720 um 1396 00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,880 similar to what is in place right now 1397 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,040 for sewer and and water 1398 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,040 and um they would be the ones collecting 1399 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,000 it for us and it would require buy-in 1400 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,720 from all three. 1401 00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,720 >> Right. Okay. 1402 00:51:35,720 --> 00:51:38,480 And I guess just one more question. So 1403 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,800 when I looked at what we're charging for 1404 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,080 ACC some of those ACC projects and 1405 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,720 before ACCs I looked at those and 1406 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:48,200 thought, "Oh, those are things that we 1407 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,080 probably in the past would have covered 1408 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,400 with through our community amenity 1409 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,840 charges, through bonus density, or 1410 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,320 through one of the funding uh 1411 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,000 mechanisms we get from the federal 1412 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,320 provincial government. So, as we start 1413 00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,840 collecting on these, I presume that 1414 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,640 we'll see like 1415 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,120 separate accounts about what we can what 1416 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,560 we can use for certain things. I guess 1417 00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,360 when it comes to to budget time for to 1418 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,080 help council clarify 1419 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:22,680 uh 1420 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,680 what sort of reserves or 1421 00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,360 uh pockets of funding that we will have 1422 00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,920 to take some of these things out out of 1423 00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:32,440 cuz there seems like there could be a 1424 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,190 bit of crossover, perhaps. 1425 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,400 Did it Does that make sense? 1426 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,080 >> I'll take that as a question and um 1427 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,550 >> Yeah. 1428 00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,600 » As we do now and we will continue to do, 1429 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,760 we will bring forward our 1430 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,840 recommendations for funding absolutely 1431 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,480 everything and give you a fairly 1432 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,680 complete picture of 1433 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,640 what is available beyond what we're 1434 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,240 recommending. 1435 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:57,800 >> Okay, that's fine. Thank you. 1436 00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,240 >> Uh thank you, counselor. 1437 00:52:59,240 --> 00:52:59,880 Um 1438 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,120 seeing no further discussion, we could 1439 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,640 we can proceed with separate motions for 1440 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,910 first, second, and third reading. 1441 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:08,760 Councilor Garnett, please. 1442 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:09,640 >> Sure. 1443 00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,800 I'll move the bylaw number 2302 amenity 1444 00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,040 cost charge uh give it being first 1445 00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,000 reading. 1446 00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,000 >> Second. 1447 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,120 >> Uh all in favor? 1448 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,440 Carries unanimous. 1449 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,920 >> Move second reading. 1450 00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,440 >> Second. 1451 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,160 >> We have the same movers. Uh this is the 1452 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,800 time for any discussion. I'll turn to our colleagues. Any 1453 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,080 discussion? Seeing none, those in favor? 1454 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,240 Motion carries unanimous. 1455 00:53:31,240 --> 00:53:32,280 >> And I'll move third reading. 1456 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,000 >> Second. 1457 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,560 >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? 1458 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,240 Uh that carries unanimous and as Mr. 1459 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,240 Hiscock indicated, that will come uh to 1460 00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:41,360 a future meeting. Uh and as I understand 1461 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:42,680 it from the report, Mr. Hissink, that 1462 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,120 will come forward at the same time as 1463 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,840 the uh DCC uh final adoption? 1464 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,520 >> It should be on the first meeting in 1465 00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,080 September along with um 1466 00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,880 the waivers and reductions bylaw for 1467 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,160 three readings. 1468 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,830 >> Excellent. Thank you. 1469 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,720 So, we're now turning to uh section 9, 1470 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,000 the development permits and development 1471 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,640 variance permits. Under 9A, we have 1472 00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,320 development variance permit application 1473 00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,320 number DV100396 1474 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,360 at 404 9870 2nd Street to permit a heat 1475 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,480 pump on the balcony within the front 1476 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,520 yard. Uh, we have a report and I'll turn 1477 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,000 back to our director of community 1478 00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,120 planning, Ms. Verhagen. 1479 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:21,160 >> Thank you. 1480 00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:22,840 So, this is a variance application, as 1481 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,960 you indicated, to to vary the location 1482 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,040 of a heat pump in order to allow one on 1483 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,760 a balcony in what's considered the front 1484 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,880 yard of this property. As the report 1485 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,080 says, the zoning bylaw allows heat pumps 1486 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:36,720 in interior side yards and rear yards. 1487 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:38,320 This location on the residence's balcony 1488 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,680 is considered within the front yard. Um, 1489 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,160 they've submitted a letter of rationale 1490 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,520 explaining the reasons for their 1491 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:44,960 request. 1492 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,720 From staff's perspective, it would have 1493 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:48,640 minimal impact on the streetscape. It's 1494 00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,840 proposed to be screened with a cover. 1495 00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,920 Uh, we do have requirements in our noise 1496 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,040 bylaw for maximum volume from heat pumps 1497 00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,160 in terms of decibels, so it would comply 1498 00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,240 with that as well. So, we are 1499 00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:01,440 recommending that we proceed with a 1500 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:04,200 variance with with a radius mailout. 1501 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,840 Happy to answer any questions. 1502 00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,720 >> Thank you. Any uh questions from 1503 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:08,880 colleagues? Uh, Councillor Garnett, 1504 00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:09,440 please. 1505 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,360 >> Uh, thank you, Mayor uh three to staff. 1506 00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,280 Um, having read the letter and thank you 1507 00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,880 to the applicants 1508 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,800 for their letter of rationale. Um, 1509 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,080 noting that and one of my first 1510 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,520 questions when I saw this on the agenda 1511 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,240 was, you know, what are the strata 1512 00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:22,560 rules? And it was right there right away 1513 00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,960 answered that it was a they were given a 1514 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,920 medical accommodation, so very 1515 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,280 appreciative of that. And having walked 1516 00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,200 by a few times, I can see that that it's definitely not going to be 1517 00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,960 intrusive from looking at the street or 1518 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,520 anywhere else for that matter. Um, 1519 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,200 we don't we won't meet till that's 1520 00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:38,880 another four or five four weeks, I 1521 00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:40,160 believe, or five weeks. This will come 1522 00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,080 back probably the next regular 1523 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,320 council meeting on the 14th of 1524 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:44,640 September. 1525 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,640 Um six weeks left of summer. 1526 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,080 Um noting in their letter 1527 00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,240 that temperatures reach more than 26° C 1528 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:55,120 and seeing this summer or earlier this 1529 00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,600 spring that medical professionals are 1530 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,320 now saying that's considered unsafe to 1531 00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,720 be in an in a in a habitable space at 1532 00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:02,040 that temperature. 1533 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,600 Um 1534 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,280 Respecting the recommendation, does 1535 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,160 council have the purview to uh bypass 1536 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,480 the mail out notification and just 1537 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,440 approve the variance? Um I'm not sure 1538 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,720 where they are in the process of how 1539 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,280 quickly they want to install it in terms 1540 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:15,960 of when the summer is, you know, we 1541 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,080 still may be into some substantial heat 1542 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,640 uh based on what's been going on. So, 1543 00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,200 I'm just curious what powers we have in that being. 1544 00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,080 >> Sure. 1545 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,920 Um through the mayor, I will defer to 1546 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,320 Mr. Edwards on this one, but I do 1547 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,760 believe the Local Government Act does 1548 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,640 require the radius mail out. That is a 1549 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,120 legislative requirement, so I don't 1550 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,120 believe it's something that can be 1551 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,760 skipped. 1552 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:36,560 >> Sure. 1553 00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,840 >> I'm seeing a nod from uh CEO Edwards, so 1554 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,240 >> Yeah, I would um concur with that 1555 00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:42,880 >> Okay. 1556 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:44,400 >> uh assessment. 1557 00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,160 >> Thank you. Just uh I think the 1558 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,400 applicants are in the audience, so I 1559 00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:48,920 just wanted to 1560 00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:50,440 let you know that this is the process we 1561 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,440 have to follow, and so I understand your 1562 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:53,760 the difficulties you're experiencing, 1563 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,880 but um the process has to play out based 1564 00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,400 on what we're allowed to do, so. Thank 1565 00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:58,200 you, Mayor. 1566 00:56:58,200 --> 00:56:59,440 >> Thank you, Councillor Garnett, for the 1567 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,800 consideration on this. Councillor 1568 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,160 Duncan, please. 1569 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:05,320 >> Yeah, thank you. I I Sorry, I 1570 00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,760 probably should have emailed staff about 1571 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,000 this earlier so they could have followed 1572 00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,440 up, but I was trying to figure out 1573 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,000 exactly what my question was going to 1574 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,360 be. Um but 1575 00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,080 the fact that this applicant required, 1576 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,160 you know, kind of a medical request in 1577 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,080 order to get around their um 1578 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,360 strata requirements, and I think that as 1579 00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:25,800 Councillor Garnett pointed out, you 1580 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:27,920 know, that that could leave a lot of 1581 00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,160 people like in a in a problem for a long 1582 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,040 time, so it no longer becomes a medical 1583 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:33,960 problem, because they've passed away 1584 00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,760 from the heat. I also would be concerned 1585 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,720 about the fact that not everybody who 1586 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,440 could end up in a problem 1587 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,160 would know about it with enough notice. 1588 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:44,960 I'm thinking of people who didn't know 1589 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,320 they were going to get pregnant, and 1590 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,000 then they become pregnant, and now 1591 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,960 they're very susceptible to the heat. 1592 00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,920 Probably not going to happen in this 1593 00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,120 building, but there's many other 1594 00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:53,880 buildings that that's going to be, you 1595 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:55,680 know, a problem, or people with pets, 1596 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,800 you know, I'd hate to think of 1597 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,720 some, you know, dogs in hot apartments. 1598 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:03,400 Um, and so I'm just wondering if this is 1599 00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,640 something our staff has started speaking 1600 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,200 to our kind of like emergency response 1601 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:12,120 personnel, or PEMA, about our bylaw as 1602 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,800 it stands, that if we now have these 1603 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,080 heat pumps, that some of, you know, our 1604 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,280 concerns about the noise and being able 1605 00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,040 to film on the balconies is kind of no 1606 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,000 longer as much of a problem, that 1607 00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,280 whether we should be looking at 1608 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,720 making it easier for people to install 1609 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:34,470 these without requiring these variances. 1610 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,600 » Uh, CEO Wiquist. Okay, uh, thank you, 1611 00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:38,120 Mayor. Um, 1612 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,440 through you to Councillor Duncan, 1613 00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,560 staff have not, uh, been having 1614 00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,680 discussions about this. Um, it has not 1615 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,680 been raised as a 1616 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,040 concern. Um, 1617 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,040 and for the most part, it is a 1618 00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,840 restriction in in most municipalities 1619 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,600 in terms of placing heat pumps in what's 1620 00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,320 determined front yards. 1621 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,470 So, um, 1622 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,720 yeah, I don't foresee it as being a crucial 1623 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,200 issue for the town of Sidney, um, at the 1624 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:10,760 moment, um, 1625 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,320 but it is something that could be looked 1626 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,080 into. But, 1627 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,640 at this time I don't feel that it is 1628 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,440 something that, uh, 1629 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:23,310 would warrant amending our our bylaw, or 1630 00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,880 So, I'm not sure if that answers your 1631 00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:25,480 question, but 1632 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,240 >> It does that that it hasn't been raised 1633 00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,280 by, you know, first responders and we 1634 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,280 can see the reason 1635 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,480 >> raised in terms of bylaws being barriers 1636 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,000 to installing 1637 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,360 heat pumps or other cooling mechanisms. 1638 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,120 >> Okay. 1639 00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,800 >> Thank you, Mr. Edwards. Ms. Reagan, did 1640 00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:43,640 you wish to add 1641 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:45,720 >> Um just to add a comment there that the 1642 00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,400 applicant may There may be other cooling 1643 00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:49,960 options available to them like a 1644 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,840 portable air conditioner unit that 1645 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,160 wouldn't necessa- that wouldn't kind of 1646 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,120 be in violation of the zoning bylaw. So, 1647 00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,480 they may have another option. I'm not 1648 00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:59,320 sure. 1649 00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:05,790 >> Okay. Thank you. 1650 01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,320 I'm sorry. We just We just don't allow 1651 01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:08,760 members of the public to speak while 1652 01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:11,320 we're in in deliberations, so. 1653 01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:12,680 Um Councillor Minto. 1654 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:13,840 >> I'm happy to move the recommendation if 1655 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:14,080 you're ready. 1656 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,480 >> Please. 1657 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:16,840 >> I'll move the recommendation that owners 1658 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:18,240 and tenants in occupation of property 1659 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:22,000 within 75 m 246 ft of 9870 2nd St. be 1660 01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:23,680 notified regarding development variance 1661 01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:26,720 application number DV100396 1662 01:00:26,720 --> 01:00:28,280 to permit a heat pump on the balcony 1663 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,640 within the front yard of the subject 1664 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,160 property and that any written 1665 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,760 correspondence received before date of 1666 01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,120 council at time of consideration 1667 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,040 approval of variance. 1668 01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:36,480 >> Second. 1669 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,400 >> We have it moved and seconded. Anything 1670 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:39,880 from the movers? 1671 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,240 >> Just briefly, like my colleagues, I 1672 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:42,760 would have been happy to approve the 1673 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,000 variance this evening if we had the 1674 01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,480 capacity to do so. I think I noted in 1675 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,320 the letter I didn't pull it back up, but 1676 01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,280 you've got portable air conditioners two 1677 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,000 of them, that's right, that are 1678 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,280 helping out by using a lot of 1679 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,160 electricity and no doubt much noisier 1680 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:58,680 than the new heat pumps. So, I 1681 01:00:58,680 --> 01:00:59,840 sympathize 1682 01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,240 with your position and thank you for 1683 01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:03,040 your patience with the process that 1684 01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,880 we're going through. I support the 1685 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:05,840 motion. Thank you. 1686 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:07,520 >> Thank you, Councillor. Councillor Novik. 1687 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:11,600 >> Uh and likewise, I feel that a portable air conditioner 1688 01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:12,920 is a lot more 1689 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:14,960 as Councillor Minto said, noisier and a 1690 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,240 lot more unsightly in a window than a 1691 01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,080 screened heat pump sitting on the floor 1692 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:24,480 of a balcony. But, that's the way the the rules work. So, uh yeah, I'm 1693 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,120 happy to move this along and hopefully 1694 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,240 uh 1695 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,520 hopefully the proponents can get their 1696 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,120 heat pump installed before the last uh 1697 01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,520 heatwave of summer. 1698 01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:38,120 >> Thank you. Counselor O'Keefe. 1699 01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,640 >> Uh thank you. Uh I'll support this for 1700 01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,720 sure, but going back to Counselor 1701 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,080 Duncan's 1702 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:44,800 um 1703 01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:49,160 comments, I I'm be interested 1704 01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:52,360 maybe next term, if we're still here, to 1705 01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,440 investigate that further. I know that 1706 01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,800 some municipalities are making it a 1707 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,800 requirement in their 1708 01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:01,000 development proposals that there has to 1709 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:04,040 be at least one room that stays below a 1710 01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,400 certain temperature, so they have people 1711 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,360 have some sort of reprieve uh from when 1712 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,440 there's a 1713 01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:11,320 uh 1714 01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,960 heatwave. Um I think in some 1715 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,560 municipalities, it's just a standard 1716 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,760 rule, I believe, but I'm not sure about uh 1717 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,600 that stratus can't prevent people from 1718 01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,080 um having Anyways, I think there's a a 1719 01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:28,520 bunch of things there that I'd be 1720 01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:31,880 interested in in looking at. To to 1721 01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,880 Counselor Duncan's point, making it 1722 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,840 easier for people to install heat pumps, 1723 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,000 rather than having to come to us to ask 1724 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,760 for a variance. So, 1725 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,880 something for another day. 1726 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:44,480 Thank you. 1727 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,320 >> I'll turn to Ms. Breagan, please. 1728 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:47,560 >> Sure, thank you. Through the merit of 1729 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:49,760 Counselor O'Keefe, uh what you're 1730 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,160 speaking about there in terms of the 1731 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,520 requirement to have a a cooler room in 1732 01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:54,840 the dwelling unit, that is a building 1733 01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,120 code requirement for new construction. 1734 01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:58,880 So, all new developments would have that 1735 01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,920 built into the building. It's harder to 1736 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:04,000 retrofit an older building. Yeah. 1737 01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:05,680 >> Thank you. 1738 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,080 And so, we have it moved, and we've had 1739 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:08,400 discussion. I'll call the question. All 1740 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,640 in favor? 1741 01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:13,040 I can hear it's unanimous. Thank you. 1742 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,960 And we're turning to uh 9B, development 1743 01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:16,280 variance permit application number 1744 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,350 DV100397 1745 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,920 at 10249 Forsythia Place to 1746 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,480 retroactively relax the minimum 1747 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,240 interior side setback along the west lot 1748 01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,920 line to allow the deck addition. 1749 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,840 Uh we have a report and I'll turn to uh 1750 01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:33,560 Mr. Hagan again, please. 1751 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:34,640 >> Thank you. 1752 01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,560 Um all right, so this is another 1753 01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,360 variance application. They're looking to 1754 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,520 retroactively allow a reduction to the 1755 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,920 interior side lot line setback, which is 1756 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,400 the west lot line of this property. 1757 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:47,600 Uh from a 1758 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,720 required 2-m setback to a 1.48-m 1759 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,360 setback, which is just over half a 1760 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:53,320 meter. 1761 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,600 Um there was construction found to be 1762 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,360 happening there without a permit and 1763 01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,520 once the information started to come in 1764 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:01,080 as they worked to apply for the permit 1765 01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,120 that was required. 1766 01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,600 Uh small corner of the addition that 1767 01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,320 would had been built was found to be 1768 01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:08,960 within the setback area. So, the 1769 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,480 applicant has provided a letter here 1770 01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,920 with the application. Uh there was a 1771 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,520 deck in this location previously. So, 1772 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,440 adding a structure there may have 1773 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,800 minimal impact on the neighborhood. Uh 1774 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,400 staff's recommendation is again to 1775 01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,000 proceed with the radius mailout. I'd be happy to 1776 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,840 answer any questions. Thank you. 1777 01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:28,200 >> Thank you. I'll turn to colleagues, is 1778 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,600 there any questions? 1779 01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,640 Uh seeing none, we can proceed with uh 1780 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,670 staff recommendation. 1781 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:37,240 Councillor Granath. 1782 01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,640 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I'll move that uh 1783 01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,400 owners and tenants in occupation of 1784 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,640 property within 75 m, that's 246 ft of 1785 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:46,800 10 10249 Forsythia Place be notified 1786 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:48,320 regarding development variance 1787 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,600 application number DV100397 1788 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,160 to retroactively reduce the minimum 1789 01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,480 interior side yard setback from 2 m to 1790 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,280 1.48 m along the west lot line of the 1791 01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,920 subject property and that any written 1792 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:01,360 correspondence received before the 1793 01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,080 council at the time of consideration of 1794 01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,760 approval of the variance. 1795 01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,640 >> Second. 1796 01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,640 >> And second, I'll turn to the movers. 1797 01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,720 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. Uh yeah, I mean I I 1798 01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,280 appreciate the fact that the applicant 1799 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:12,920 has reached out especially specifically 1800 01:05:12,920 --> 01:05:14,880 to um neighbors, but specifically to the 1801 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,440 one that's most impacted, which is at 1802 01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,000 10251 1803 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,680 uh 1st Ave right to the right next door 1804 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,240 to them and that would be the people 1805 01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,680 that would be most negatively impacted 1806 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,280 by this. 1807 01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:26,800 And I I do appreciate looking at the 1808 01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,600 letter of rationale that mentioned the 1809 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,400 previous zoning bylaw and it is important to note that, you know, 1810 01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,960 the the zoning bylaw was adopted in 1811 01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,840 2024. So, this process started much 1812 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:38,160 after that. So, 1813 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:39,760 that particular point is not that 1814 01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,840 relevant. Um 1815 01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:43,840 as far as the the 1816 01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,040 having the the rest of the neighborhood 1817 01:05:46,040 --> 01:05:48,280 and whoever wants to comment on it, I'm 1818 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,520 fully supportive of it. 1819 01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:53,120 I do I do again have concerns based on 1820 01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:55,480 past applications where 1821 01:05:55,480 --> 01:05:57,120 permits have not been obtained when they 1822 01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:58,720 should have been. And in this case, it 1823 01:05:58,720 --> 01:05:59,880 seems like there was an engineer or 1824 01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:01,400 somebody involved in the development. 1825 01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,840 And so, I don't know how they didn't 1826 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,440 manage to measure to what the zoning 1827 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,960 bylaw allows. But again, this is 1828 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:09,240 you hire somebody and you expect they're 1829 01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,840 going to do the work that you that you 1830 01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,920 hire them for. So, you know, and it's 1831 01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:13,800 one of those things where it's really 1832 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,440 difficult to hold the owner to account 1833 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,120 for something. But um 1834 01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:18,400 hopefully this will be a lesson for 1835 01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,880 other people out that are watching that, 1836 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,120 you know, please get your permits. 1837 01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,000 They're It's not government overreach. 1838 01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,320 It's there for a reason. It's there to 1839 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:25,560 protect your neighbors and the rest of 1840 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,760 the community. So, thank you, Mayor. 1841 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,920 >> Thank you, Councillor. Councillor 1842 01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:30,680 Duncan. 1843 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:33,080 >> Yeah, thanks. Uh I'll just say we we get 1844 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:35,120 these sort of applications, you know, 1845 01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:37,360 fairly regular regularly for variances. 1846 01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:38,680 They're kind of typically what a 1847 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,800 variance is for that your lot is a an 1848 01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,880 odd shape or or something. But um 1849 01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,840 I think also the fact that uh 1850 01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,360 we get a lot of people who were just 1851 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,160 building on a footprint that was already 1852 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,800 built on. And so, they assume that it's 1853 01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:53,400 fine because it wouldn't have been built 1854 01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,560 that way before. Um but uh 1855 01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,160 in in Sydney, a lot of buildings, 1856 01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,560 particularly in the older neighborhoods, 1857 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,640 were built even before there was many 1858 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:04,160 even Sydney specific building rules, you 1859 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,000 know, in the 1980s. 1860 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:07,760 I I think my old house was measured with 1861 01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,880 an elbow. Like it was not 1862 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:11,960 it was definitely definitely too close 1863 01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,200 to the rear lot line. 1864 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,240 And so I think a lot of contractors and homeowners think if it was built 1865 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,720 this way before it's it's legal. So just 1866 01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,600 we're hoping that contractors in 1867 01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:24,760 particular will start rechecking to make 1868 01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,360 sure that the the new bylaws that there 1869 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,400 are bylaws 1870 01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:31,600 are are in place and 1871 01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,680 maybe save people some grief even though 1872 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:36,360 it doesn't really cause a problem to the 1873 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:37,440 surrounding neighbors. You're used to 1874 01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,920 what you're used to, but it would 1875 01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,680 certainly probably save homeowner grief 1876 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,360 and developer grief. 1877 01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:44,600 >> Thank you, counselor. 1878 01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:46,040 Seeing no further discussion, I'll look 1879 01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,320 to call the question. Those in favor? 1880 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:53,350 That carries unanimous. Thank you. 1881 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,040 And so we have no mayor's report or 1882 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:56,440 counselor's reports this evening. We're 1883 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,240 turning to the one committee report that 1884 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,480 we have. It's come from we're receiving 1885 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:01,880 the minutes from the Saugeen Peninsula 1886 01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,560 Accessibility Advisory Committee on 1887 01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:06,960 at their June 23rd meeting. 1888 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,880 Uh Counselor O'Keefe, you are our 1889 01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,320 representative on that committee and 1890 01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:11,920 there is a recommendation if you'd like 1891 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,600 to move that forward, please. 1892 01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,080 >> Sure. I'll just start if I may with just 1893 01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,560 a couple highlights from the meeting. 1894 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,279 Um in regards to um 1895 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:23,480 there's several members of the committee 1896 01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:25,600 that wanted to pass along their 1897 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:28,640 appreciation for the additional 1898 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,759 accessible viewing and accessible 1899 01:08:30,759 --> 01:08:35,120 parking areas that uh the town provided 1900 01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:38,040 along with uh Peninsula Celebrations for 1901 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,920 the um the fireworks evening and then 1902 01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:44,160 the parade, additional viewing areas, 1903 01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,120 additional parking, also additional 1904 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,839 parking at Iroquois Park. So all of 1905 01:08:48,839 --> 01:08:51,520 those things were really well received 1906 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,560 and they wanted me to make sure that uh 1907 01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,000 council knew about that and staff knew 1908 01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,680 about that and they were grateful and 1909 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,000 kudos to all uh for supporting that. 1910 01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,960 Um the other thing that came up 1911 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,120 regarding Sydney was the wayfinding 1912 01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:08,440 markings 1913 01:09:08,440 --> 01:09:10,839 um and uh 1914 01:09:10,839 --> 01:09:13,640 during public participation um that was 1915 01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,040 mentioned. And this is the um 1916 01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:17,920 they're talking about the way the the 1917 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:19,799 lines are scored at the intersections 1918 01:09:19,799 --> 01:09:22,319 for visually impaired people. So, one of 1919 01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:24,799 the individuals on the committee, his 1920 01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:27,799 wife is blind, and they actually did a 1921 01:09:27,799 --> 01:09:30,440 whole tour around Sydney and came up 1922 01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:33,120 with a whole pile of a long list of 1923 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,600 places where these are still not aligned 1924 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:38,359 correctly. And the committee uh thought 1925 01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,480 about making a recommendation, but at 1926 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:43,799 staff's uh suggestion, instead um 1927 01:09:43,799 --> 01:09:45,880 they're inviting engineering staff to 1928 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:48,279 come to the next meeting and have kind 1929 01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:49,640 of a discussion about that. So, we 1930 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:51,680 thought that that was a good a good 1931 01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:53,319 first step. 1932 01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:56,400 Um in terms of the recommendation, I'll 1933 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:57,160 uh 1934 01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,560 I'll go along with that is uh regarding 1935 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,880 the Right Fit program. And the 1936 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,400 recommendation, 1937 01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:04,960 it's uh a little bit different than 1938 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:07,680 what's in the agenda based on some input 1939 01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,000 from staff. Um so, the motion is that 1940 01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:13,000 council direct staff to collaborate with 1941 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,440 North Saanich and Central Saanich on the 1942 01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:18,240 development of a process to identify 1943 01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,960 adaptable and accessible units for 1944 01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,310 sharing with the Right Fit program. 1945 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:27,200 » We have it moved. 1946 01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:27,800 >> Second. 1947 01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,800 >> And seconded by Councillor Nault. Uh 1948 01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:30,560 Councillor Lee? 1949 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:32,720 >> Yeah, so the Right Fit program has been 1950 01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,040 operating in the Vancouver area since 1951 01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,920 about 2017. 1952 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,280 And what they do is they create and 1953 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,920 maintain an inventory of housing that's 1954 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,800 available and accessible for wheelchair 1955 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:49,720 users. Um housing is hard to find uh for 1956 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,880 a lot of people, but it's especially 1957 01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:54,240 really, really difficult for people who 1958 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:57,560 have wheelchairs or mobility uh 1959 01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,720 devices. So, what Next Fit or Right Fit 1960 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,760 does is they go out to the community, 1961 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:05,640 they ask people to let them know if they 1962 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,120 have have spaces or not. They have an 1963 01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,960 inventory of those of those spaces, and 1964 01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:12,680 then they have an inventory of 1965 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,880 individuals who need those. And then so 1966 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,120 they do a sort of a matching program. Um 1967 01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:21,360 they also go out to the actual suite 1968 01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:24,160 themselves and conduct uh an analysis 1969 01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:26,640 based on a certain number of parameters 1970 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:28,840 that they have to ensure that is it it's 1971 01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,120 accessible. 1972 01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:33,480 So, in Sydney, as you know, we have been 1973 01:11:33,480 --> 01:11:37,760 asking developers to uh have 20% of 1974 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,840 their suites to be adaptable and uh 1975 01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,640 which is great, but there's never been a 1976 01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,600 way to match those up to the people who 1977 01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,240 could actually do that. And so, the 1978 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:51,960 Right Fit is proposing that they could 1979 01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:54,480 take that on. Uh when we discussed this 1980 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:58,280 at SPARC, um staff felt that it wouldn't 1981 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:01,880 be uh terribly onerous, um that it could 1982 01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,800 be something as simple as when 1983 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,920 developers come forward and they're 1984 01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,400 doing their 20% uh adaptable units, that 1985 01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,600 they be asked to contact the Right Fit 1986 01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,600 people to let them know about it. And 1987 01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:15,720 the thing that's in it for the 1988 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,160 developers is you've got another 1989 01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,560 organization out there marketing those 1990 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,400 suites for you. So, they've got a whole 1991 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,000 list of people who are looking looking 1992 01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:27,280 for that type of accommodation. So, 1993 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,600 that's an advantage to them. There's no 1994 01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,920 cost. Um 1995 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,160 so, the idea is that uh 1996 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,360 the three municipalities work to kind of 1997 01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:39,440 fine-tune some sort of process. 1998 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:40,600 >> Thank you. I'll turn to the second 1999 01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,240 group. 2000 01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,120 Yeah, thank you, Mayor. Uh 2001 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,320 the specific motion before us is just uh 2002 01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:48,080 you know, asking staff to collaborate 2003 01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,880 with uh the three municipalities in the 2004 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:52,440 peninsula uh 2005 01:12:52,440 --> 01:12:54,920 you know, to look to to further this and 2006 01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,120 uh come up with maybe a manner in which 2007 01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,600 this uh can work uh efficiently for for 2008 01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,280 staff and for the community at large. 2009 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,200 So, um 2010 01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:05,560 I support it and I do think our 2011 01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,920 community likes to see initiatives where 2012 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,480 the three peninsula municipalities are 2013 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,280 working together. Councillor Keith, we 2014 01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:13,880 referred to that earlier with the tree 2015 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:14,960 canopy. 2016 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,520 And that may be some foreshadowing for 2017 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,680 future agenda items with 3R 2 2018 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,080 cooperation on the peninsula. 2019 01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,240 >> Thank you, Mayor. 2020 01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:23,000 >> Thank you, Councillor. 2021 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:24,520 Seeing no further discussion, I'll look 2022 01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:25,920 to call a quick Oh, Councillor Duncan, 2023 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:27,120 please. 2024 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,080 >> Yeah, thank you. I'd had a note to to 2025 01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,960 ask about the intersection. So, thank 2026 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,520 you to former Councillor Falat for 2027 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,560 bringing that forward, but I guess my 2028 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:37,280 question a question I guess to 2029 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:38,600 either SPAC if they had were going to 2030 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,000 move this or or maybe our staff um that 2031 01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,080 where MOT's jurisdiction ends and they 2032 01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:46,360 had recommendations kind of saying 2033 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,320 wayfinding ends here and it could, you 2034 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:50,120 know, once it moves off, it would it's 2035 01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,640 going to be a different standard. Part 2036 01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,280 of that is the Lochside Trail, which is 2037 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,560 CRD's jurisdiction. 2038 01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,760 Part of it is is Sidney's and so our 2039 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:00,160 staff are aware. We're sitting on the 2040 01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:01,600 council or, you know, what they've heard 2041 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,400 this and they they sit on the committee. 2042 01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,160 Is there a mechanism for us to make sure 2043 01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:08,040 that the CRD hears about these 2044 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:09,840 wayfinding requirements? If this is I 2045 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:11,800 I'm actually floored this was MOT's 2046 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,800 first time ever making this kind of 2047 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,600 stuff and it sounds to me like therefore 2048 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,600 we should really let the CRD know about 2049 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,000 this cuz this is going to be happening 2050 01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,880 throughout all the other jurisdictions. 2051 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:23,320 Do we have a way to amplify that to 2052 01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:26,630 them? 2053 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,200 » Not seeing Councillor Keith with any 2054 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:28,680 comments. 2055 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:30,160 >> Oh, one of them I'm just kind of looking 2056 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:30,426 at it. 2057 01:14:30,426 --> 01:14:30,480 >> [laughter] 2058 01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:31,240 >> Well, I 2059 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,840 >> So, what I would say is so, um the the 2060 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,040 update that we got from uh Ms. Falat 2061 01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:41,280 this evening, that hasn't gone So, SPAC 2062 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,360 isn't 2063 01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,480 necessarily aware of what's going to be 2064 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,480 happening next. So, they hadn't had a 2065 01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,040 chance to review it. I guess what I'm 2066 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:53,560 hoping is that the staff on behalf of 2067 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,200 council did send a letter to MOTTI. So, 2068 01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:00,760 I'm what I'm hoping is that they now 2069 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,840 that they've gone and assessed it and 2070 01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,880 that we sent a letter to them that they 2071 01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,640 will respond. 2072 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:07,680 >> You know 2073 01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:09,120 Sorry, counselor Kiefer, we're not 2074 01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,800 directly speaking to the motion. 2075 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:13,520 >> Oh, I was just responding to your 2076 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:14,320 question. 2077 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:16,360 >> Okay, but your question was with with 2078 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:18,640 regards to CRD. 2079 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:20,560 >> Okay, and I guess 2080 01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,240 the answer is no, SPAC isn't 2081 01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,520 doing anything at this time. And I was 2082 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:26,880 elaborating as to why. 2083 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,880 >> Does staff have any comment with regards 2084 01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:32,400 to what's being undertaken and and CRD 2085 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,320 becoming aware or being made aware? 2086 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,680 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. Um I believe yeah, 2087 01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:40,080 we are off topic cuz this is not 2088 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,920 relevant to the motion that's being 2089 01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,640 considered right now, but um 2090 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,600 uh we can ensure that 2091 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,360 we connect with the CRD staff about the 2092 01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:54,480 uh intersection issue and and and 2093 01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,040 make them aware of what what's happening 2094 01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:57,880 there. 2095 01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,800 >> Thank you. 2096 01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:02,360 And CRD does have a accessibility 2097 01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,630 advisory committee as well. 2098 01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,720 With some local representation. 2099 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,440 Um thank you, Counselor Duncan, for 2100 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:10,840 >> I thought if I just didn't ask it now, 2101 01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,000 we'd go past this report, so. 2102 01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,800 >> We appreciate the question. 2103 01:16:15,800 --> 01:16:17,360 Uh seeing no further discussion, uh 2104 01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,560 those in favor? 2105 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:20,200 That carries unanimous. Thank you so 2106 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,270 much. 2107 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,160 And uh next we're turning to uh the 2108 01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:26,880 first of our four staff reports. And and 2109 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,560 the first under 13A is Radio Sidney's 2110 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,480 application for an FM broadcasting 2111 01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:32,760 license. 2112 01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:34,520 Uh we have a report from our manager of 2113 01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:35,960 communications and our fire chief. I'll 2114 01:16:35,960 --> 01:16:37,360 turn to our manager of communications, 2115 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,400 Ms. Judson, for an introduction, please. 2116 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:41,640 >> Thank you very much. Uh so, this report 2117 01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,960 seeks council's consideration 2118 01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,560 uh of a letter of support for Radio 2119 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,840 Sydney's application to the CRTC for an 2120 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,400 FM broadcasting license. And as part of 2121 01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:52,920 that, a radio transmitter would be 2122 01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,360 installed on the top of the community 2123 01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:56,920 safety building. 2124 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,800 Uh Radio Sydney already shares local 2125 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,880 information and connects residents with 2126 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,200 community news and events. Expanding to 2127 01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,560 the FM broadcast would further expand 2128 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,800 that reach. Um but for us, what's 2129 01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,280 especially important is that during an 2130 01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:11,080 emergency, it would be a way of getting 2131 01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:13,400 information out, especially if hydro or 2132 01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,240 cellular service, internet connection 2133 01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,280 was disrupted. And it's for these 2134 01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:19,120 reasons that staff recommends that 2135 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,480 council provide that letter of support. 2136 01:17:21,480 --> 01:17:22,920 And you'll find in the staff report, 2137 01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,400 there are two maps because this 2138 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:26,400 transmitter that Radio Sydney would 2139 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,120 provide would have a reach between two 2140 01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,480 and five kilometers. Uh although in 2141 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,480 areas where there's um 2142 01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:33,200 uh 2143 01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,000 more mountainous, it wouldn't reach the 2144 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,120 full 5K. It can give you a sense of how 2145 01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,040 far that transmitter could reach. And if 2146 01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:41,680 in future the town of Sydney wanted to 2147 01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:43,960 invest in a stronger radio transmitter, 2148 01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,400 then that could be greatly expanded. But 2149 01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,480 at this time, this proposal is looking 2150 01:17:48,480 --> 01:17:50,200 at the transmitter that Radio Sydney 2151 01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:51,640 currently has. 2152 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:52,800 Thank you. 2153 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:53,880 >> Thank you for the introduction. Are 2154 01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,200 there any questions? 2155 01:17:56,200 --> 01:17:57,880 If not, we have a recommendation. 2156 01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,000 Councillor Novik. 2157 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,280 >> I'm happy to make the recommendation 2158 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:02,640 that the mayor provide a letter of 2159 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,120 support for Radio Sydney's application 2160 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,640 to the Canadian Radio Television 2161 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:10,120 Telecommunications Commission for an FM 2162 01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:14,360 broadcasting license. Bracket CFVI 2163 01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,640 92.7 FM. 2164 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:17,200 >> Second. 2165 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,320 >> Moved and seconded. All in favor? 2166 01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:20,880 >> Yeah. Uh I 2167 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,520 don't really have much to add to what 2168 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,720 Ms. Judson uh reported, but I think that 2169 01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:27,800 would be a great asset for the town. 2170 01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:29,000 Thank you. 2171 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:29,960 >> Councillor Garnet. 2172 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,320 >> Thank you, Mayor. And I just because I 2173 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,480 see Mr. Collins in the audience, uh want 2174 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,640 to signal him out and want to you for 2175 01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:37,760 the uh presentation that we had 2176 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,240 previously and thank you for your 2177 01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,760 continued work locally in the community. 2178 01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,720 In a day and age when 2179 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,240 local media in general is disappearing 2180 01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:47,320 across the country, I think I mentioned 2181 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:48,520 this before, 2182 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,000 opening the door to misinformation and 2183 01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:52,480 disinformation and I think it's 2184 01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:54,440 you've you've gone above and beyond with 2185 01:18:54,440 --> 01:18:55,920 the emergency, but I think you are 2186 01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:57,920 already provide such great 2187 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,320 community asset and um 2188 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,040 it's been very much appreciated. Thank 2189 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:04,600 you. Thank you, Mayor. 2190 01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:05,600 >> Thank you, 2191 01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,400 uh Counselor Gnannt and I was going to 2192 01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,720 express some of that myself. So, thank 2193 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:13,280 you and and let's stay tuned for uh 2194 01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:17,040 CFVI 92.7 sometime in sometime in the 2195 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:18,720 not too distant future. We'll have that 2196 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:20,480 letter pronto subject to this 2197 01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:22,240 recommendation. I'll call the question. 2198 01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:24,240 All in favor? 2199 01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:28,110 Motion carries unanimous. Thank you. 2200 01:19:28,120 --> 01:19:30,200 Returning to now 13B, which is a 2201 01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:34,960 contract award for RFP 2026-008, 2202 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:36,600 sidewalks/road 2203 01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:37,800 improvements 2204 01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:40,440 capital projects for 2026. 2205 01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:43,240 Uh and engineering design report, I'll 2206 01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:44,800 turn to our director of engineering, Mr. 2207 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:46,280 Murphy, who's joining us online this 2208 01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:48,680 evening. Good evening, Mr. Murphy. 2209 01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,040 >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Can you 2210 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,040 hear me all right? 2211 01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,400 >> Absolutely. 2212 01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,680 >> Great. 2213 01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:57,320 Uh so, yes, this is to request Council 2214 01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,920 approval for an RFP award. 2215 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:03,880 Uh RFP 2026-008 2216 01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:07,840 for sidewalks and road improvements 2217 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:10,560 engineering design. And so, this was 2218 01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:14,320 posted publicly. We had 10 submissions, 2219 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,960 uh which we evaluated and ended up with 2220 01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:23,040 two very highly ranked submissions. 2221 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:25,160 Fortunate to have high quality 2222 01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,600 submissions on this project. 2223 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,400 And 2224 01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:32,600 uh the The of work is for the design 2225 01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:36,040 phase for three sidewalks and road 2226 01:20:36,040 --> 01:20:37,800 improvement projects. 2227 01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,560 Uh those being Canora Road, 2228 01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,280 two segments on Ocean Avenue West and 2229 01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,680 5th Street, Malabu to Amelia. 2230 01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:51,800 And so the proposal is to award the 2231 01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,840 design of all three projects to one 2232 01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,360 engineering consulting firm. Uh however, 2233 01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,320 each project would progress 2234 01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:00,440 independently. 2235 01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,680 And so the the analysis, uh which is 2236 01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:07,480 outlined, recommends award to RF Binnie 2237 01:21:07,480 --> 01:21:09,160 and Associates. 2238 01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:10,720 And 2239 01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:14,120 the an important point is that 2240 01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:19,920 committing to the designs for which we do have capital budget funds already 2241 01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:23,000 allocated for each of these projects, uh 2242 01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,120 committing to the design work is not a 2243 01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,600 commitment to construct. 2244 01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,520 So we know in particular for Canora 2245 01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:35,520 Road, uh that we expect that to be a uh 2246 01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:39,280 fullsome process starting with the 2247 01:21:39,280 --> 01:21:43,920 concepts for the road layout. And what 2248 01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,800 features from uh rain gardens and street 2249 01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,200 parking 2250 01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:49,760 uh 2251 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,240 to a more minimal approach. Uh so we we 2252 01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:55,640 hope to to generate likely three 2253 01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,920 concepts and then have a neighborhood 2254 01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,800 engagement phase. 2255 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,160 And collect feedback and then decide 2256 01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,400 which concept and it may 2257 01:22:05,400 --> 01:22:07,640 uh likely come back to council for input 2258 01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,480 on which concept to move forward with 2259 01:22:09,480 --> 01:22:12,320 based on the neighborhood engagement. Uh 2260 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,200 and then proceed through through 2261 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,760 detailed design. 2262 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,640 Uh Ocean Avenue West similarly, uh we 2263 01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,440 expect to have some concepts uh and we 2264 01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:22,960 know that 2265 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:23,800 uh 2266 01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:28,000 that we're not committed to constructing 2267 01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,440 one or either or neither of the two 2268 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:34,760 segments east and west that are proposed 2269 01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:38,520 at this time, but there is value in 2270 01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,320 there's a lot of value in proceeding 2271 01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,880 with the detailed design so that we have 2272 01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:45,760 designs ready 2273 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,360 for when 2274 01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:49,280 through budget deliberations that 2275 01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,240 council decides it is time to build 2276 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,200 those sidewalk segments 2277 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:54,760 or 2278 01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,560 many grant programs, particularly 2279 01:22:57,560 --> 01:23:00,200 federal and provincial, 2280 01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,240 look for shovel ready projects. And so 2281 01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:06,280 having some uh 2282 01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,400 you know, high profile sidewalk projects 2283 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,520 ready 2284 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,520 even if we don't proceed to construction 2285 01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,640 does create opportunities for a grant in 2286 01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,320 the future. The 5th Street project is 2287 01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:21,000 probably the most likely to proceed 2288 01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:23,760 straight to construction being more more 2289 01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:26,240 relatively straightforward and 2290 01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,840 a neighborhood focused project. Um but 2291 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,400 yes, so we'd like to award the 2292 01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,280 engineering design and then 2293 01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:38,360 construction decisions would come later. 2294 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:39,480 >> Thank you very much for the 2295 01:23:39,480 --> 01:23:41,320 introduction, Mr. Murphy. Are there any 2296 01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,670 questions from colleagues? 2297 01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:46,280 I'm not seeing any. Are there any? We do 2298 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:50,870 have a recommendation? 2299 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:52,800 » Thank you, Mayor. I'll move. Sorry, you 2300 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,920 didn't call on me. I should wait, I 2301 01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:55,200 guess. 2302 01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:58,760 I'll move that RFP 2026-008 2303 01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:00,440 Sidewalks Road Improvements Capital 2304 01:24:00,440 --> 01:24:03,560 Projects 2026 Engineering Design be 2305 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:05,240 awarded to R.F. Binnie and Associates 2306 01:24:05,240 --> 01:24:07,000 Limited for the contract amount of 2307 01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,440 $157,068 2308 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,920 plus applicable taxes plus allowance for 2309 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:14,080 scope changes and addition additional 2310 01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,040 sub consultant fees as approved by 2311 01:24:16,040 --> 01:24:16,960 staff. 2312 01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:18,640 >> Second. 2313 01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:20,920 >> I'll take Counselor Duncan as the 2314 01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:22,800 seconder. Are there any other movers? 2315 01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:24,400 >> Yeah, thank you, Mayor, and thank you, 2316 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,360 Mr. Murphy, for the report and thank you 2317 01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:28,160 for the extra questions you answered for 2318 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,080 me today. Um I think the the rationale 2319 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,960 for staff's choice is quite strong. Um 2320 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:35,560 you went way more in depth than I ever 2321 01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:37,480 expected, so I appreciate that very 2322 01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:40,040 much. Um you know, the 2323 01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,480 this is an important step towards 2324 01:24:41,480 --> 01:24:42,960 getting these really important 2325 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:44,480 infrastructure projects off the ground 2326 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:45,840 and and and headed in the right 2327 01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:47,520 direction. Um 2328 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:48,800 particularly Kenora, which will be very 2329 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,280 challenging, so it's good that we're 2330 01:24:50,280 --> 01:24:53,400 getting ahead of this. Um that's a long 2331 01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:54,880 overdue project as someone who's lived 2332 01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:56,600 in that neighborhood for close to 30 2333 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,920 years. So, I'm I'm I'm hopeful that um 2334 01:24:59,920 --> 01:25:01,560 the public feedback will provide what we 2335 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,280 need to know or what the council of the 2336 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,240 day will need to know uh in terms of 2337 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:06,880 which path to take forward, so thank you 2338 01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,520 for your work. Thank you, Mayor. 2339 01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:09,920 >> Thank you, Counselor uh Counselor 2340 01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:10,560 Duncan. 2341 01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:12,840 >> Nothing to add, thank you. 2342 01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:14,440 >> Any other speakers? 2343 01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:15,600 Seeing none, I'll call the question. 2344 01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:17,240 Those in favor? 2345 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,800 It carries unanimous. Thank you. Thank 2346 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,920 you, Mr. Murphy. 2347 01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,080 Uh we are turning to item 13C, which is 2348 01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:24,880 the budget variance report for the first 2349 01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,040 half of 2026. I'll turn to our manager 2350 01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,000 of finance, Ms. Chen. 2351 01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,280 Good evening. 2352 01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,440 >> Good evening. Thank you very much. 2353 01:25:32,440 --> 01:25:34,080 Uh this variance report covers 2354 01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,040 approximately the first half of 2026. 2355 01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,520 The numbers in the reports reflect 2356 01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,560 information available up to the date of 2357 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,240 the report, not just the 6-month mark. 2358 01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:45,280 So, as a result, year-to-date actuals 2359 01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,760 for some subfunctions will be over um 2360 01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,240 50%, but that doesn't necessarily 2361 01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:52,840 indicate a problem that it's over 2362 01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:55,520 budget. Uh for example, personnel costs 2363 01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,560 should be around the 56% mark in the 2364 01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,520 report. Um additionally, a lot of costs 2365 01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,400 and activities aren't incurred or 2366 01:26:03,400 --> 01:26:05,960 completed evenly throughout the year. 2367 01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,520 And where things are not quite incurred 2368 01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:10,800 or completed evenly, that's described in 2369 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,160 some of the notes in the report as well. 2370 01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:14,600 So, on the operating side, the 2371 01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:16,560 year-to-date actuals are mostly in line 2372 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:18,920 with expectations. Right now, we're 2373 01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,160 expecting some savings on the RCMP 2374 01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,520 contract this year due to a credit we 2375 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,000 received from a final reconciliation of 2376 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:27,920 prior year costs. 2377 01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:30,440 Actual year-end results um will largely 2378 01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:32,760 depend on the level of officer vacancies 2379 01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,800 we see for the remainder of the year. 2380 01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:35,920 Right now, we've been seeing a 2381 01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,440 decreasing trend in vacancies. That's 2382 01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:40,520 great news for the level of service that 2383 01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:43,000 the community receives, but it does also 2384 01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,720 just come at a higher cost. So, it's 2385 01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:47,480 something we monitor closely to ensure 2386 01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:49,800 our future budgets align with the trends 2387 01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,720 that we're seeing. 2388 01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,920 Um one other thing worth noting on the 2389 01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,440 operating side is that we're now uh have 2390 01:26:56,440 --> 01:26:59,520 two quarters now with utility billing 2391 01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,440 using the new sewer rates and rate 2392 01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:03,400 structure that council approved earlier 2393 01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,480 in the year. So, sewer revenue to date 2394 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,120 is definitely on track with the budget 2395 01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:09,640 expectations. 2396 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:11,800 Um and you know, these things these kind 2397 01:27:11,800 --> 01:27:13,680 of changes we need more time and more 2398 01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,760 experience in working with it to know 2399 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,400 its long-term effect in this, but so far 2400 01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,960 the uh indications are very positive 2401 01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,640 that the new structure is doing what 2402 01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:24,200 it's intended. 2403 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,920 On the capital side, uh 45 of the 99 2404 01:27:26,920 --> 01:27:28,800 capital projects in this year's budget 2405 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,200 are either complete or in progress, and 2406 01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:33,880 many more um have planning underway just 2407 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,880 haven't incurred any direct costs just 2408 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,920 yet. Summer and fall are always our uh 2409 01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:40,720 busiest construction season for our 2410 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,080 capital projects, and by the time of the 2411 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,560 next variance report in about 3 months, 2412 01:27:45,560 --> 01:27:47,080 we'll have more information on which 2413 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,840 projects will be completed this year and 2414 01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,160 which ones will need to be carried 2415 01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,040 forward for completion next year. 2416 01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,520 So, in total the report contains 51 2417 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:57,680 notes providing details on various 2418 01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,040 operating and capital items. Um some of 2419 01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,040 those notes cover more than one line 2420 01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,560 item, and we'd be happy to answer any 2421 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,120 remaining questions. 2422 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:07,240 >> Uh thank you, Ms. Chen, for the 2423 01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:09,000 introduction. I'll turn to colleagues if 2424 01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,080 uh there are questions on the report. 2425 01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,200 Uh Councillor Kiefer, please. 2426 01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:15,080 >> Uh thanks. Just a couple little things. 2427 01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:17,440 Um so, in the the on the last page you 2428 01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:20,160 mentioned um there have been some areas 2429 01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,040 that have faced challenges in the first 2430 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,880 year and you'll be closely monitoring 2431 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,600 those. I wonder are we experiencing any 2432 01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:29,280 challenges with 2433 01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:31,680 the uh the tariff environment, you know, 2434 01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:34,880 in terms of increased costs for 2435 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,520 computers or equipment that or parts 2436 01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:41,280 that engineering uses for waters or 2437 01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,840 sewer or vehicles? Have we seen any uh 2438 01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:49,480 kind of implications of impacts of that? 2439 01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:51,040 >> Uh Mr. Hiscock, would you like to take 2440 01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,240 that one? 2441 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:53,560 >> Sure, thank you, Mr. Mayor. There have 2442 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,840 been some impacts on vehicle purchases, 2443 01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,720 which I believe we we've identified 2444 01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,440 for council um 2445 01:29:00,440 --> 01:29:03,200 on a couple of occasions. 2446 01:29:03,200 --> 01:29:05,920 Beyond that, nothing specifically tied 2447 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,360 to tariffs, just um 2448 01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:10,600 general inflation that's 2449 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:13,040 been accumulating over the last 2450 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,800 5 years or so has not really abated to 2451 01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:18,240 the level we had hoped. 2452 01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:19,640 >> Okay, thank you. 2453 01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,320 >> Thank you for the question. 2454 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,000 Seeing no uh Councillor Gignac, please. 2455 01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:25,760 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. Uh through to staff 2456 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,520 and just looking at B13 Harbor Road pump 2457 01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:30,640 station and B14 trenchless sewer 2458 01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,280 replacement for the three streets 2459 01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:33,680 mentioned 2460 01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,200 and the grant funding that was not 2461 01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:36,640 successful. 2462 01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:37,840 Um 2463 01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,560 given we're 2464 01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,360 budgets are provincially and federally, 2465 01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:44,600 do we have concerns? I mean, this is 2466 01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:46,880 kind of a large question, I guess, but 2467 01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:48,280 um 2468 01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,520 until financial situation's better 2469 01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,440 geopolitically speaking, which trickle 2470 01:29:52,440 --> 01:29:54,560 down to every other level of government, 2471 01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,520 do we have concerns about 2472 01:29:56,520 --> 01:29:57,480 um 2473 01:29:57,480 --> 01:29:59,680 our ability to finance things 2474 01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,360 with with the potential for lack of 2475 01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,040 grant funding for some of our larger 2476 01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:07,230 projects going forward? 2477 01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,080 » Mr. Hiscock? 2478 01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,240 >> Uh 2479 01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:12,800 >> Um not I would say not really because 2480 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,080 grant programs are always out there and 2481 01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:17,320 there was more being announced and 2482 01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,200 discussed 2483 01:30:19,200 --> 01:30:21,120 constantly especially in relation to 2484 01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:22,680 housing and the infrastructure to 2485 01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:24,160 support it. 2486 01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:26,520 It's just a matter of um 2487 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,680 every grant program is over subscribed 2488 01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:30,120 and we're 2489 01:30:30,120 --> 01:30:32,840 hoping to get lucky on one out of every 2490 01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,840 X number of applications we 2491 01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:38,160 did get a $5 million grant a few years 2492 01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,360 ago so I'm sure 2493 01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,520 well I'm guessing that factors somewhat 2494 01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,720 into the way they tend to dole it out 2495 01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,200 somewhat equally but even today we met 2496 01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,360 about 2497 01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:50,120 potential grant applications that we 2498 01:30:50,120 --> 01:30:52,640 might put in for the next intake on 2499 01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,080 different programs. 2500 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,320 >> Okay. Thank you. I think I think it's 2501 01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:56,480 just important for the community to 2502 01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:57,760 realize that 2503 01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,320 if somebody if somebody takes the time 2504 01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:00,680 to read this report and I'm not sure how 2505 01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:02,640 many people will but if they do that 2506 01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,480 it's important to note that you know we 2507 01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:06,960 our our staff are well aware and plan 2508 01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:08,680 accordingly so you know we don't we 2509 01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:10,040 aren't relying on the grant funding and 2510 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:11,600 then I think it's important for the 2511 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,080 residents of the community to be aware 2512 01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:14,600 of that. Thank you mayor. 2513 01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,630 >> Thank you counselor. 2514 01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,520 I'm seeing no further questions. I want 2515 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:21,280 to thank Ms. Shannon and the finance 2516 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,920 department for putting this report that 2517 01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:25,360 comes to us regularly 2518 01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:26,760 through the year. We very much 2519 01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,000 appreciate the detail that's provided in 2520 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:30,480 both the operating and the and the 2521 01:31:30,480 --> 01:31:33,350 capital budget. 2522 01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:38,160 We're next turning to also an item for information the monthly building 2523 01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:39,840 report for the month of July. I did make 2524 01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,560 reference to the monthly building report 2525 01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,320 from June but that was carried forward 2526 01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:44,840 from the last meeting. 2527 01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:47,160 So we are seeing an updated report in 2528 01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:48,960 July. Are there any questions or 2529 01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,160 comments from colleagues on that report? 2530 01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:53,440 Counselor Granath. 2531 01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:55,080 >> Thank you mayor. Through you to staff 2532 01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:57,160 just noting on on the back of the first 2533 01:31:57,160 --> 01:31:58,760 page um 2534 01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:01,440 2060 White Birch and 2180 Beacon that 2535 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:03,600 have September dates. 2536 01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:05,360 Do we have any updates on where those 2537 01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:08,710 are in the process? 2538 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:10,960 » Uh yes, thank you. Through the mayor, uh 2539 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,320 both of those have active building 2540 01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:14,360 permit applications under review and 2541 01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:15,880 both are aware that the development 2542 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:17,840 permits will be expiring soon. 2543 01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,120 >> Great. Thank you very much. Thank you, 2544 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:19,600 mayor. 2545 01:32:19,600 --> 01:32:21,480 >> Thank you for the question. 2546 01:32:21,480 --> 01:32:23,280 Um seeing no others, we'll turn to the 2547 01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:25,880 next item and that does take us up to 2548 01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:27,160 correspondence. 2549 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:30,320 And under 14A, we have uh CRD bylaw 2550 01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,160 number 4782, 2551 01:32:32,160 --> 01:32:34,760 Saanich Peninsula Recreation Service 2552 01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:36,360 uh for the District of Central Saanich 2553 01:32:36,360 --> 01:32:38,640 Recreation Facility and the Loan 2554 01:32:38,640 --> 01:32:42,240 Authorization Bylaw number 2 2026. 2555 01:32:42,240 --> 01:32:44,160 We've received and the letter is from 2556 01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:46,360 the CRD dated July 10th is on our 2557 01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:47,760 agenda. 2558 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:49,840 Uh and as well on the agenda, we have a 2559 01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,600 copy of the letter from District of 2560 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,560 Central Saanich's a consideration and 2561 01:32:54,560 --> 01:32:57,240 some links to additional information uh 2562 01:32:57,240 --> 01:33:00,040 provided by uh CRD at the on the panel 2563 01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,720 or on the recreation uh website. 2564 01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,400 Uh council, we have considered a 2565 01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,960 proposal previously. Uh so, this is 2566 01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:09,280 coming back and with a different scope 2567 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:11,080 as we're aware. 2568 01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:13,440 Um as CRD has asked that we make a 2569 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:15,720 recommendation to either consent or not 2570 01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:18,480 consent to adopting uh bylaw number 2571 01:33:18,480 --> 01:33:20,360 4782. 2572 01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,680 Uh when the first proposal came forward, 2573 01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:26,640 uh council uh chose to um 2574 01:33:26,640 --> 01:33:28,840 to allow a period of time for public 2575 01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,760 input uh before making a decision. So, 2576 01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,840 while uh there is the request uh for a 2577 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,880 consideration of consent or not consent 2578 01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:39,040 this evening, uh council is open to 2579 01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,320 consider uh options for uh further uh 2580 01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,520 community consultation. I will leave it 2581 01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,960 to colleagues' uh wishes as to how they 2582 01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:48,560 uh wish to move forward. 2583 01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,000 Uh Councillor Garnett? 2584 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:51,400 >> Uh I'm willing to move motion if that's 2585 01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:52,080 all right, mayor. 2586 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,040 >> Uh please go ahead. 2587 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:54,640 >> I'll move that we uh 2588 01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:56,760 defer or postpone the decision on this 2589 01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:57,640 item. 2590 01:33:57,640 --> 01:34:00,240 Uh CRD Bylaw 4782 until the regular 2591 01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:03,160 council meeting on September 14th. 2592 01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:04,200 >> Second. 2593 01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:05,640 >> We have it set moved and seconded. I'll 2594 01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,080 turn to you, Mr. Mayor. 2595 01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:08,960 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. I You know, we we 2596 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,360 get a lot of the public to provide input 2597 01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,880 based on the first um 2598 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:15,760 option of this that was brought forward, 2599 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,240 and I think we should do the same again. 2600 01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:20,040 Um there has been a change, and I think 2601 01:34:20,040 --> 01:34:21,760 there are based on some of the feedback 2602 01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:23,840 I've I've received, many of the members 2603 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,120 of the community don't realize that this 2604 01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:26,600 is the second option coming back. So, I 2605 01:34:26,600 --> 01:34:28,360 think it's just gives an extra time for 2606 01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:30,280 people to be associated with the item, 2607 01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:31,680 and I do think it would the decision 2608 01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:33,400 should be made with the full council on 2609 01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,240 uh when Councillor Duck is back. 2610 01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:35,880 Thank you. 2611 01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,560 >> Uh thank you. I'll turn to the second. 2612 01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:39,200 >> Uh 2613 01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,520 I'm thinking pretty much along the same 2614 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,800 lines. Uh I have received some 2615 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:45,680 additional information 2616 01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:49,120 from the um building proponents. I'm not 2617 01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,480 sure that it's sufficient to sway me, 2618 01:34:51,480 --> 01:34:53,560 but I would like to see this come before 2619 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,880 a full council. Thank you. 2620 01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,080 >> Uh thank you. 2621 01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:58,520 Um I'll turn to Councillor Wintour then 2622 01:34:58,520 --> 01:34:59,220 Councillor Keith. 2623 01:34:59,220 --> 01:35:00,520 >> [clears throat] 2624 01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:01,880 >> Uh thank you, Mayor. 2625 01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:02,800 Um 2626 01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,160 Uh you know, on on the point with 2627 01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,080 respect to uh 2628 01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,640 tabling this, uh giving the community 2629 01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:13,800 time to provide uh feedback on it. Um 2630 01:35:13,800 --> 01:35:15,400 I don't think the feedback's going to 2631 01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,400 change. We we've had uh feedback on this 2632 01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,080 matter. So, the amount is uh $3 million 2633 01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:23,600 less. Uh not to be exactly precise, but 2634 01:35:23,600 --> 01:35:25,000 it's $3 million less than it was last 2635 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:25,760 time. 2636 01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,080 I don't think the the feedback 2637 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,040 I don't expect it to to change. 2638 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,000 And I expect [clears throat] that during 2639 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,840 this time of year uh as we're getting to 2640 01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,560 August, um 2641 01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,000 you know, that people are going to have 2642 01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:39,400 this on their radar while they're in 2643 01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,200 holiday mode. Maybe I'm uh 2644 01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,360 um 2645 01:35:44,360 --> 01:35:45,920 maybe I'm wrong about that. 2646 01:35:45,920 --> 01:35:46,880 But, I think we're going to hear the 2647 01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,960 same thing. And um I would have been 2648 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,040 happy tonight to move forward with this. 2649 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:53,000 However, you know, I 2650 01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,520 the point regarding having a complete 2651 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:55,960 council here 2652 01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,000 and being able to address it and not 2653 01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,800 get, you know, maybe in a position where 2654 01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:03,320 we've got a 3-3 tie vote and then this fails to move forward is is a 2655 01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,840 concern to me. Um I supported it last 2656 01:36:05,840 --> 01:36:07,240 time. 2657 01:36:07,240 --> 01:36:11,720 But you know, I supported it again. Um I can't speak to 2658 01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:13,560 uh my support at this time simply 2659 01:36:13,560 --> 01:36:15,480 because the motion before it is is to 2660 01:36:15,480 --> 01:36:18,000 table it. So I I I won't reiterate 2661 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:18,920 my thoughts [clears throat] on the 2662 01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,720 tri-municipal cooperation or project of 2663 01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:25,040 this nature, but I I uh in the interest of I think keeping 2664 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,200 this 2665 01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:29,160 uh alive and um a topic of discussion to 2666 01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:30,680 come before council again, I'll support 2667 01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:31,880 tabling. Thank you. 2668 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,120 >> Thank you. Just a point of uh 2669 01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:34,640 clarification 2670 01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:36,800 on one point uh counselor, you you made 2671 01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:39,000 reference to I think a $3 million 2672 01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:41,520 difference. It is the loan authorization 2673 01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,200 was previously 14.2 and the loan 2674 01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,040 authorization on this is 9.1. So that is 2675 01:36:47,040 --> 01:36:49,520 a difference of just just over 5 2676 01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:49,880 million. 2677 01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,520 >> That's why math was not my strong point. 2678 01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:53,680 I understand. Thank you. 2679 01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:55,800 >> Just uh just for the public. Uh council, 2680 01:36:55,800 --> 01:37:00,040 we have um uh the CRD PRC senior manager 2681 01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:03,560 uh Steve uh Mickle uh in attendance. Uh 2682 01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,360 I would ask for a motion to invite Mr. 2683 01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:06,360 Mickle 2684 01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:07,840 uh into the meeting to answer any 2685 01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,480 questions that we might have and I do 2686 01:37:09,480 --> 01:37:12,080 have a question uh if we could um 2687 01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:12,440 have that motion. 2688 01:37:12,440 --> 01:37:14,040 >> So moved. 2689 01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:14,600 >> Second. 2690 01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,360 >> Moved and seconded. Uh all in favor? 2691 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,560 That carries unanimous. Sorry, I did 2692 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,440 have uh Counselor Keith next on the 2693 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,320 speaking list, I believe. 2694 01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:26,640 >> Sure. I I just to say um I'm I'm in 2695 01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:29,080 favor of the motion. Um as Counselor 2696 01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:31,440 Wrentool said, it's summer time and 2697 01:37:31,440 --> 01:37:33,640 maybe people aren't tuned in, but uh 2698 01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,880 September maybe 2699 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,120 people will at least at least we're 2700 01:37:38,120 --> 01:37:41,240 giving them the opportunity to weigh in. 2701 01:37:41,240 --> 01:37:43,440 Uh they may not, but I I think at least 2702 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:46,600 giving the the opportunity is uh is 2703 01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:49,120 reasonable. 2704 01:37:49,120 --> 01:37:52,600 >> Thank you. Councillor Duncan, please. 2705 01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:54,360 >> Thank you. I'm I'm going to vote against 2706 01:37:54,360 --> 01:37:55,760 this motion. 2707 01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:57,200 While I recognize having Councillor 2708 01:37:57,200 --> 01:37:59,360 Duncan here would make the decision 2709 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:01,440 whatever it is end up being stronger and 2710 01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:04,360 more final and not not run the risk of 2711 01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:05,760 it coming back. 2712 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:07,040 I just think it's important to make the 2713 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,200 point that if we're delaying this for I 2714 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:10,600 think as Councillor Entwistle said more 2715 01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:14,720 public feedback, I don't know why. Um 2716 01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:16,680 I feel our society has moved into this 2717 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:18,600 idea that if the more people are being 2718 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:20,160 asked what their opinion is, that 2719 01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:22,800 somehow is making a decision stronger. 2720 01:38:22,800 --> 01:38:24,240 And we're not thinking about but whose 2721 01:38:24,240 --> 01:38:25,720 opinion is being asked and what 2722 01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:28,840 information are they using to 2723 01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,160 provide their opinion. 2724 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:32,400 Um 2725 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,560 because what what we see is that 2726 01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:38,120 the people of Sidney are saying and 2727 01:38:38,120 --> 01:38:40,400 usually they're very wealthy people. We 2728 01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,120 know that who pays attention and who 2729 01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:44,160 usually packs 2730 01:38:44,160 --> 01:38:46,960 uh the seats when when an issue comes up 2731 01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:49,800 are people who have They are people who 2732 01:38:49,800 --> 01:38:51,320 already have. 2733 01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:53,520 Um and have to spare. And they don't 2734 01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:55,960 want to pay more because 2735 01:38:55,960 --> 01:38:58,480 they already have. Um North Saanich and 2736 01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:02,880 Sidney already have have have 2737 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,960 community facilities that are being paid 2738 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:07,120 for by all three municipalities. Central 2739 01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:09,320 Saanich is paying and they do not have 2740 01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:10,600 something in their in their 2741 01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,000 municipality. 2742 01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:13,880 And now since our municipality feels 2743 01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,640 they have and they got theirs, they 2744 01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,040 don't want to have to pay for equity. 2745 01:39:18,040 --> 01:39:20,440 And that was a big criteria here was 2746 01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:21,400 that 2747 01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,280 we're trying to increase equity. No, you 2748 01:39:24,280 --> 01:39:26,400 can't just say the poor people will have 2749 01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:28,600 to buy cars so they can access their 2750 01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,560 community facilities. You are supposed 2751 01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:32,720 to be able to walk and bus. 2752 01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,800 Um these are facilities that are being 2753 01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,680 built where we know First Nations who've 2754 01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:37,960 written in 2755 01:39:37,960 --> 01:39:39,720 needed facilities. They are already 2756 01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:41,680 underserved. We already know this 2757 01:39:41,680 --> 01:39:43,440 municipality is underserved relative to 2758 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:45,720 the other two, regardless of income 2759 01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:48,000 level. And we know that people who tend 2760 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,680 to use these facilities who cannot 2761 01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:52,120 travel are lower income, seniors with 2762 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,760 disabilities, um and lower income people 2763 01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:57,040 of all ages. This 2764 01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:59,880 is what we are going to get 2765 01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,320 is more feedback from more people who 2766 01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:04,600 are not looking at it through the lens 2767 01:40:04,600 --> 01:40:07,280 that the CRD or the that Panorama is 2768 01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,080 having to evaluate it, that governments 2769 01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:11,520 have to evaluate it at a higher level. 2770 01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:12,840 They're only looking at it from the 2771 01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,200 perspective of do I want to pay more for 2772 01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:16,600 somebody else to get something? And 2773 01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,080 people are always going to say don't 2774 01:40:18,080 --> 01:40:19,440 know to that, and they've proven that 2775 01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:21,040 time and again. 2776 01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:24,200 And I don't like the appearance that 2777 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,000 simply having a lot of people come and 2778 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:27,280 say 2779 01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:28,640 no 2780 01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:30,920 should be weighted very highly when the 2781 01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:34,120 reason they are saying no is not decent. 2782 01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:36,320 Thank you. 2783 01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,240 >> Uh thank you, Councillor Duncan. 2784 01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:40,560 Uh seeing no other speakers, I would 2785 01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:42,720 invite uh Mr. Meikle to if you could 2786 01:40:42,720 --> 01:40:44,480 come forward. We just have a a mic that 2787 01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:46,360 you can activate there, and and I have a 2788 01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:50,390 question. 2789 01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,760 Um my my question, and sorry, I I I know 2790 01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:54,000 you just joined the meeting, and thank 2791 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,080 you. Um timing is we've we've had a 2792 01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:58,120 longer evening. Uh but there is a motion 2793 01:40:58,120 --> 01:40:59,960 on the floor to refer 2794 01:40:59,960 --> 01:41:02,040 uh refer this to a September meeting to 2795 01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:07,160 allow public input. But my question is uh thank you for the CRD uh project 2796 01:41:07,160 --> 01:41:08,240 page, 2797 01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:10,960 uh the links to the uh to the various 2798 01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:15,720 documents and an FAQ uh page, and um 2799 01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:18,680 uh that FAQ uh was provided printed in 2800 01:41:18,680 --> 01:41:20,960 provided in our agenda package. 2801 01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,320 Um one of the one of the topics that's 2802 01:41:23,320 --> 01:41:24,800 uh that came up when we discussed the 2803 01:41:24,800 --> 01:41:26,960 pro uh proposal 2804 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,640 at a previous Sidney meeting at the 2805 01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,320 previous proposal at a previous Sidney 2806 01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:31,760 meeting, and also raised at the 2807 01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:33,680 commission was 2808 01:41:33,680 --> 01:41:35,600 um some of the history 2809 01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:37,560 and information related to the Green 2810 01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:39,200 Glade um 2811 01:41:39,200 --> 01:41:40,800 uh facility but 2812 01:41:40,800 --> 01:41:42,880 uh PRC's Green Glade facility and its 2813 01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:44,120 operation. 2814 01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,120 And I'm wondering if there is is still 2815 01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:48,200 an opportunity that while there is a lot 2816 01:41:48,200 --> 01:41:51,640 of information and and uh the FAQ page 2817 01:41:51,640 --> 01:41:53,400 wasn't up when the proposal came forward 2818 01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,320 last time, whether it would be uh 2819 01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,200 possible to put up information about 2820 01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,040 Green Glade such as 2821 01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:00,960 its history in in establishing in Sydney 2822 01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:03,960 in 2006, it's some 20,000 square feet 2823 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:08,520 and its high usage uh with perhaps those numbers up until 2824 01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,080 June. Would that be possible to add to 2825 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,920 the FAQ? 2826 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:14,200 >> Uh sure. Thank you uh your worship and 2827 01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,000 uh thank you for having me. My apologies 2828 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,280 for kind of rushing in here at the last 2829 01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:20,640 moment. Uh yes, uh that would be 2830 01:42:20,640 --> 01:42:25,440 possible. We did include in uh the FAQ 2831 01:42:25,440 --> 01:42:28,240 just going to try to find it here on 2832 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:29,120 um 2833 01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:31,080 the second to last page, just some 2834 01:42:31,080 --> 01:42:33,520 attendance numbers from Green Glade. So, 2835 01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:37,000 as you mentioned, opened in uh 2006. 2836 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,440 Uh we've had uh seen in 2024 an 18% 2837 01:42:40,440 --> 01:42:41,960 increase in 2838 01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,600 uh attendance at Green Glade and then in 2839 01:42:43,600 --> 01:42:46,880 2025 another is 9.9% increase in 2840 01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,160 attendance. 2841 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:49,280 Um 2842 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,920 pleased to say we've early we had uh 2843 01:42:51,920 --> 01:42:54,720 first quarter quarter one uh 2026 2844 01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:56,760 participation statistics. 2845 01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:01,920 Uh we had over 1,500 registrations in a wide range of of programs 2846 01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:03,920 uh from children's to adult programs at 2847 01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,760 Green Glade. And we're averaging over uh 2848 01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:09,320 3,700 visits per month uh to that 2849 01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:11,920 facility, which is fantastic. 2850 01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:13,000 >> Thank you very much and and you're 2851 01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,280 referring to the FAQs uh for that 2852 01:43:15,280 --> 01:43:15,760 information? 2853 01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,560 >> Yeah, it's uh be the second to last page 2854 01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,240 about 2/3 of the way down. 2855 01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:24,440 Couple seconds at in uh 2856 01:43:24,440 --> 01:43:27,950 bulleted numbers there. 2857 01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,440 Third bullet down I've got. 2858 01:43:30,440 --> 01:43:31,680 I apologize though I don't think the 2859 01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,200 pages are numbered properly there. 2860 01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,960 >> No, that's okay. I'm just not seeing 2861 01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,600 that in the printed pages, that 2862 01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:40,160 information in the printed pages, and I 2863 01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:43,160 didn't access the the FAQ. I will follow 2864 01:43:43,160 --> 01:43:46,920 up with staff after the meeting. I just may have missed it inadvertently 2865 01:43:46,920 --> 01:43:48,840 missed that, but thank you for There 2866 01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,960 what I'm looking at on in those three 2867 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,240 bullets 2868 01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,600 um was that um 2869 01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,360 document significant and growing program 2870 01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,240 capacity challenges nearly including 2871 01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:01,760 nearly 200,000 visits. 2872 01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,480 Um 2873 01:44:03,480 --> 01:44:04,840 Sorry, there was a reference somewhere 2874 01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,240 to both 2875 01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:08,880 the visits at combined the fitness at 2876 01:44:08,880 --> 01:44:12,200 combined PRC and and Green Blade, but 2877 01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:13,600 thank you for clarifying that. 2878 01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:13,960 >> Yep. 2879 01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:15,880 >> Um 2880 01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:18,880 And in speaking to the motion, um 2881 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:19,640 thank you again. 2882 01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:20,080 >> Thank you. 2883 01:44:20,080 --> 01:44:22,880 >> In speaking to the motion, um 2884 01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:26,080 I I spoke in favor of this quite quite 2885 01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,880 strongly, and but but I think there is 2886 01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:33,000 value to to public input, and I think um 2887 01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:35,000 the commission 2888 01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,920 and and PRC has uh 2889 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,320 in this revised proposal providing more 2890 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,920 information, helpful information in 2891 01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:44,840 terms of the project page, in terms of 2892 01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:47,880 the FAQs. FAQs are always very helpful 2893 01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:52,080 for the public for information. Um and 2894 01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:52,960 um 2895 01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:55,760 I think it's it's just not a case of 2896 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,880 whether someone says a member of the 2897 01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:00,040 public says that yes, they support it or 2898 01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:01,880 no, they don't support it. It is the 2899 01:45:01,880 --> 01:45:04,280 rationale that they provide for their 2900 01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:07,000 support or for having concerns or not 2901 01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,480 supporting. And I think we're as a 2902 01:45:09,480 --> 01:45:12,360 council we're always open to considering 2903 01:45:12,360 --> 01:45:14,120 the rationale that uh 2904 01:45:14,120 --> 01:45:15,760 that members of the public provide. So, 2905 01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,840 I I will support this recommendation. Um 2906 01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:20,360 the consideration of whether we have our 2907 01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:22,320 seventh member of council, that's always 2908 01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,520 nice, but we cannot guarantee a full 2909 01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:26,560 council at any given meeting. 2910 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,200 So, I wouldn't I wouldn't make the 2911 01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,520 recommendations or or 2912 01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:32,040 support the recommendation on solely 2913 01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:34,880 that rationale, but but do see the value 2914 01:45:34,880 --> 01:45:37,320 of input and the project has changed 2915 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:40,040 significantly. It is a $5 million $5.1 2916 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:43,280 million is less being borrowed under 2917 01:45:43,280 --> 01:45:45,280 this loan authorization and there's 2918 01:45:45,280 --> 01:45:47,240 other good information. So, I'll leave 2919 01:45:47,240 --> 01:45:48,680 my comments there. 2920 01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:50,280 I'll turn to any uh 2921 01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:52,160 other first or second time speakers. 2922 01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:53,320 Councillor Novik. 2923 01:45:53,320 --> 01:45:55,080 >> Second time. Uh thank you, Mayor. I have 2924 01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,080 a question and I'm not really sure who I 2925 01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:00,000 can address it to. Perhaps Mr. Michael 2926 01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:00,520 or 2927 01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:01,080 >> Michael, yeah. 2928 01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:03,960 >> Michael or perhaps yourself. Um 2929 01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,360 and that is if we're going to delay this 2930 01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,240 or or refer it 2931 01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:09,400 so that we can get a little bit more 2932 01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:11,840 public input, which I think is a great 2933 01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:13,040 idea. 2934 01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,560 Do we have a mechanism for ensuring that 2935 01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:18,040 this information and this need for 2936 01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:19,160 public 2937 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:21,280 input and engagement gets out to the 2938 01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:22,440 public? 2939 01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:24,040 Or is this 2940 01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,160 or how how will the public find out 2941 01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:27,320 about this? 2942 01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,240 >> No, thanks for the question. I I might 2943 01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,160 turn to Mr. Michael in that this is a 2944 01:46:31,160 --> 01:46:33,920 CRD project and and in terms of them 2945 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,640 putting information out or Mr. Michael, 2946 01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,160 could you speak to what uh 2947 01:46:39,160 --> 01:46:42,080 what PRCS might do? 2948 01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:44,240 >> Uh sure, thank you. Through the chair. 2949 01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:45,280 Uh 2950 01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:47,400 similar channels to what the the town of 2951 01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:49,720 Sidney would have in terms of 2952 01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:51,600 using our own website, our own social 2953 01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:53,440 media channels to just to share 2954 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:55,200 information and ensure people are aware 2955 01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,120 of where to find information. 2956 01:46:57,120 --> 01:46:58,560 Um 2957 01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:01,000 other than that, we certainly could you 2958 01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:03,320 know, we'd be happy to host a forum or a 2959 01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:09,800 town hall meeting if that made sense at the Panorama Rec Centre and uh or at Greenglade might be a better 2960 01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:11,840 location, actually. So, uh there are 2961 01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:14,480 some opportunities to to do that, to 2962 01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:16,600 have staff address people directly if 2963 01:47:16,600 --> 01:47:18,560 they have questions. It's always hard in 2964 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,360 presenting information through social 2965 01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:22,520 media or other uh you don't always pick 2966 01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:24,240 up on all the questions people may have. 2967 01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:25,200 So, 2968 01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:26,680 uh happy to speak to that directly if 2969 01:47:26,680 --> 01:47:28,960 that makes some more sense, but uh yeah, 2970 01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:31,040 we're certainly prepared to uh present 2971 01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:32,400 information 2972 01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,040 uh to the public and and push it out 2973 01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,080 through our social media channels 2974 01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:37,520 to make sure people are aware of where 2975 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,720 to find information. 2976 01:47:39,720 --> 01:47:40,440 >> Uh 2977 01:47:40,440 --> 01:47:42,280 May I continue? And And is there a 2978 01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,040 mechanism for 2979 01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:46,160 gathering this feedback and then 2980 01:47:46,160 --> 01:47:47,600 presenting it 2981 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:50,880 back to us in some way? 2982 01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:54,400 >> Uh thank you through the chair. There are some mechanisms. I would need 2983 01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,960 to probably uh either bring some further 2984 01:47:56,960 --> 01:47:58,920 information back just to ensure what 2985 01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:00,600 that looks like. 2986 01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:02,440 Um I know in the past in these kind of 2987 01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:04,040 processes, 2988 01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:05,960 um the collection of of information of 2989 01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:07,400 that nature has been up to the 2990 01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,800 municipalities uh given that it is each 2991 01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:10,880 of the municipal councils that are 2992 01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,320 voting uh on it. 2993 01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:15,880 Uh so, I I just want to be cautious that 2994 01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:17,800 there's no appearance of of bias in any 2995 01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:19,320 of that collection of information or 2996 01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:21,160 those kinds of things. So, 2997 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:22,000 I would want to work with our 2998 01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:24,440 legislative services to make sure we we 2999 01:48:24,440 --> 01:48:26,320 handle that properly. 3000 01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:27,520 >> Fair enough. Thank you, Mayor. 3001 01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,560 >> Uh thank you for the question. 3002 01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,160 Uh seeing no other discussion, I'll look 3003 01:48:32,160 --> 01:48:33,440 to call the question. All those in 3004 01:48:33,440 --> 01:48:35,400 favor. 3005 01:48:35,400 --> 01:48:36,480 Opposed. 3006 01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:37,760 Uh Councillor Duncan is opposed. The 3007 01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:39,240 motion carries. Thank you. And thank you 3008 01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:42,510 for attending, Mr. Mickle. 3009 01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,960 Um lastly on our agenda, we have uh 3010 01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:46,360 correspondence for information. We've 3011 01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:47,840 received eight letters of uh 3012 01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,640 correspondence. Uh with some of them, we 3013 01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,280 have a draft reply. 3014 01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,280 Um uh so, Council has received those uh 3015 01:48:54,280 --> 01:48:55,960 and they're being received uh by virtue 3016 01:48:55,960 --> 01:48:57,760 of being on our agenda 3017 01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,360 uh this evening. We have no notices of 3018 01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,120 motion or motion to go in camera. I 3019 01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:02,680 would look for a motion to adjourn. 3020 01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:04,080 >> So moved. 3021 01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:06,680 >> Second. And second it. All in favor. 3022 01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,000 Uh that's carries unanimous. Thank you, 3023 01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,240 everyone. Have a good evening.