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Okay, welcome to the Snowmass Village Town Council chambers. Today is October the 14th. It is 420. And this is work session. But Megan, please do roll call. Roll call for work session, October 14th. Councilmember Fred Steen. Here. Councilmember Merle. Here. Councilmember Schenk. Here. Councilmember Gustasen. Here. Mayor Madsen. Here. Thank you. All right. Thank you.

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So today we've got a discussion about our airport.

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We're going to have a presentation from Aspen Flywright, and also a whole lot of people for our local airport.

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So we'll start with Amy Lovens, welcome, Amy.

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Good to have you here.

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We're starting a little bit late.

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One second.

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Amy, on a mic.

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Well, thank you. I appreciate the invitation.

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Sorry I was delayed by an announced closed road.

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I'm going to summarize key facts for Aspen fly-right Chuck Butler will discuss the two ballot

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measures for total of 20 minutes then 10 discussion following followed by the same format

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with expansion advocates.

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Clint described your 83-minute session on July 17th with two leading expansion advocates,

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one of them on county staff as the fact-based staff presentation, supposedly official neutral

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and accurate.

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I didn't hear it that way, neither did several council members who asked to hear the other side.

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And almost three months and two follow-ups later, I appreciated Clint's kind invitation.

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He calls today's sessions both of them advocacy, the same length, hence manifestly fair.

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I think members and the public will have to decide whether giving the broke expansion side 3.8 times more face time than its critics is fair in a good look.

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but I'm glad to be here. All five of the airport groups in this taxonomy agree

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that our vital and beloved Aspen Airport is substandor deteriorated at a

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need of upgrades. But which ones? Everyone wants a safe, clean, quiet, better

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Aspen Airport for all. But the three upper groups shown do not want the bigger

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planes that the lower two groups want to add. Bigger planes that are not needed

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to achieve any of those goals and that they don't want to mention because it's unpopular.

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They never mentioned the specific plane, the 130 to 160 seat Airbus 2,300,

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for which the FAA wants Airport rebuilt. Our main airlines don't want it. The coalition

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agrees regional jets are the right size. It's not certified to fly here and the counties

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lead forecaster personally thanks it never will, but our Airport would be redesigned for that

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to 2,100 that you'll hear about, either one would open floodgates.

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Now, since all groups agree on the modernization agenda except bigger planes

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and the other side conflates the two, I'm going to focus just on bigger planes,

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not on the consensus topics like the new runway terminal and transit integration.

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When those come up, please ask yourself, does this goal need bigger planes?

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It won't. Modernization works fine with just regional jets.

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bigger planes are a bolt-on, not an unavoidably bundled package deal.

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I'm going to address safety, environment, overcrowding, regulation, and finance.

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Then, Chuck will discuss the ballot measures. Aspen flywright can't do that as the 510-C3 public charity.

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Our respective groups are completely separate and independent addressing different topics.

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Aspen flywright does science, facts, and public education.

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And we carefully document our work at aspenflywright.org.

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Now we're told that the new layout brings critical safety improvements on the

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ground and in the air, and that our airport does not meet FAA safety standards.

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Both statements are false claims that the 400-foot runway taxiway separation

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is an FAA safety requirement amid the punchline if we want to bring in bigger planes.

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But our airport is now safe for the airplanes that can legally use it.

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No analysis shows that it has any safety problem or how expansion for bigger planes would

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fix that problem.

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Would Wingspan limit to be exactly a safe with our actual planes and layout as with standard ones? That equivalent safety has worked fine for 25 years. There's no reason to change it. FEA said they wouldn't make us. You'll see the video. Deputy County manager Rich Engelhard said two years ago that our airport is about as safe as it can possibly be. This month, Bruce Gordon said as regards safety and the proximity of the taxiway to the runway, I personally have been flying in and out of this airport

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as an ATP commercial and CFII-I-rated pilot to top levels for over 40 years

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that have never felt the current distance to be a problem or felt unsafe.

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Now, I think the word safety is being thrown around here as a magic incantation,

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but not an actual need.

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The county was unable to show me any analysis of an actual safety problem.

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That's a myth.

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And I suppose theoretically wider separation or wider runways might make operations a little safer,

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but claiming that is really an attack on FAA safety standards, which don't call for those improvements for the planes we have.

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I'm not prepared to do that without strong evidence for which I can find no basis in practice or literature.

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Also, bigger planes are not safer for basic reasons.

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The new United E175 will have better avionics.

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That's good. That's done.

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Now, the FAA does prohibit local enforcement of unjust discrimination

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between different aircraft type sizes or operators.

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So once we allow any bigger planes in, all that fit can come,

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even if they're dirty, noisy, and bad for climate,

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but like the many hundreds of private 737s, A31920s, and many, many of other types.

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Bill Tomsich's misleading 737 post is almost all about implausible airline use, not the

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lighter private versions that are the real concern.

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Now nobody knows or can know whether worse old private planes would add more harm than bigger

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new airline or private planes could subtract.

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So net environmental effects are unknowable and unenforceable.

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But counting just airline plane's impacts, a small fraction of all our flights,

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the county's official forecast plunks all six of the specific environmental goals

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that it's claimed to deliver or align with.

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Rather than falling at least 30% by 2030 in yellow,

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the red data show that noise would rise and then fall imperceptibly.

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Noise damaging nitrogen oxides would just keep rising and CO2 emissions would fall little

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or could rise with proposed new east coast routes.

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The other three goals are also missed.

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The environmental benefits of the county's plan have been quietly dropped from the modernization

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plan online and yet are still advertised as what it would do.

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These goals may, however, be met within a decade, then far surpassed by super-quiet and

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clean planes whose $118 billion global order book now has more electric than fueled planes,

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but the county has refused for two years to learn about them and they're not in the forecast.

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They will lead frog even the best fueled planes, like the 2,200, leaving our new airport

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potentially not fit for purpose, overbuilt for field planes that can no longer compete.

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And they will not need wider wing spans as was thought until four years ago, new technology

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can reach any U.S. airport even London yet fit today's airfield.

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There's also a public health sleeper that worries me.

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Jet engines blast quintillions of dangerous nanoparticles toward the kids' ski school, the base

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of buttermilk, and scatter them also under the flight path.

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nanoparticles are not regulated, their levels at and around the airport have not been measured,

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but our citizen science measurements of air quality last year concern me and should concern

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everyone because new medical science implicates nanoparticles in many serious conditions,

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not previously described the air pollution. How many more visitors can our communities value and

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values except. The county forecasts 31% more business-gest flights and airline passengers

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in the 20 years from 2022. The FAA forecasts three-fourths more airline passengers in

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2050 than we strain to serve now and then forevermore. It's pretty scary. That future

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threatens evermore queues, signups, limits, blackout dates for all our activities that we need

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for a good life of Bible workforce and strong families.

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And that's just the airline passengers,

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not the unknown and uncontrollable numbers arriving

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by the dominant private-

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What are the plans, especially forecasted charters with up to 60 seats that may or may not be used depending on market conditions? Are we full yet? See, if you don't think bigger planes will come, why build for them? If you think they will come, do you really think our elected officials will suddenly become able to halt the growth in STRs and other lodgings that really drive it? If not, why enable the airport overgrowth so we can find out? Conversably, why create big permanent problems when we don't need to?

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Speaking of the community with deep gratitude and admiration to all the citizens who worked

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so hard on ASE vision, I'm sorry to report that it did not yield the robust consensus

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officially claimed.

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Three-fifths of its nearly 160 initial volunteers quit, many feeling hurted, only 30% endorsed

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part and a handpicked 10% endorsed all of its findings.

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Nearly as many citizens opposed them, including two previous airport directors, former county

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commissioners and top local pilots. So it's that basic lack of consensus despite tightly controlled

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information and process that's why we are arguing now.

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In folks assume we have no choice

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because the FAA has originally mandated a new airfield for beer planes, and that has never been

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true. Of course, the FAA would like bigger planes for what it calls greater access, more planes

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and more kinds. A goal, curiously, not in its mission or objectives. Bureaucracy's love standardization,

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The FAA likes to retire layout exceptions where it can, and rarely makes new ones, but

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there is no mandate to eliminate them.

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And we couldn't.

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Aspen has 85 of them, and many unfixable.

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The aviation mantra standardization equal safety is valid for and borrowed from operations,

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but it doesn't fit our airport layout situation.

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Our airport is necessarily unique.

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Now, the FAA is constrained by both law, including its own rules, and politics, legally it's

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on thin ice. It can choose to modify design standards when justified by unusual local

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circumstances and acceptably safe. It must conform to local laws and regulations which

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are themselves an approved basis for modifying standards. Bittkin County citizens may soon

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clarify those rules.

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Aspen is United's most profit-intensive airport nationwide, as the state's third busiest airport used by many of our nation's most wealthy and powerful individuals vital to a community with exceptional political influence.

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With the FAA then really choose to block runway reconstruction to achieve trivial business jet access gains not requested by our airlines, offering no material safety benefits

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and inviting a potent political and perhaps legal backlash.

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I think rational adults would rethink.

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There is ample discretion in rationale for a reasonable resolution,

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such as occurred three decades ago when the FAA wanted to abolish

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our night curfew, but backed off.

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A reasonable resolution was reached.

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Of course, we had different commissioners then.

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Now, much does depend on the attitude of the powerful FAA,

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although we learned in 95 that its edicts can bend to political realities.

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18 months ago, the regional manager, John Bauer, addressed the BSEC and his sole public

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appearance here.

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And I asked him, if the county stops asking for bigger plans, can it keep the present

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airport layout, modification standard, 95-foot wingspan limit?

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He twice said yes, but we would lose future discretionary grants.

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Well, I meant to play the other one first anyway, what do you want me to do, this

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one?

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What is that?

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Sorry. I'm going to have to repeat those because we didn't have a sound on in your system.

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I was saying before, could you keep it the 95% of the restrictions that I think would have been fairly clear?

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We would possibly have done so with your funding to run.

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That's how we run down.

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So the extra county decided that it wanted to wait.

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So could you keep it the 95% of the restrictions that I think would have been fairly clear?

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So what you said before.

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Could you keep it the 95-fold-leads-guaranteed chance?

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Where are you going onto the next slide?

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And what you've said some were,

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is that could you keep it the 95-fold-leads-guaranteed chance?

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I think I've been fairly clear that the case is in the problem

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we have got to share.

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That's good news.

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I don't know funding.

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So the commission decided that it wanted to wait

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and not go straight away for bigger than 95-fold-leads-guaranteed chance.

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We could keep what we've got and continue the end of the list, is that correct?

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Yes, but there's caveats in there, right?

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I mean, we've talked about it.

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We're not going to provide anything other than your entitlement for any of that.

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So, yes, those are all decisions that are the county's decision to make.

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Thank you.

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And I'm afraid the two were playing on top of each other, but at the beginning of the second one,

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And he would, I talked about, are you going to revoke our modification of standard?

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He said no, I said that was good.

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Now, in a later visit to FAA headquarters, John Peacock asked more senior FAA officials

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what they wanted, but he left out the if part of my questions.

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That of course elicited the opposite answer and deceived commissioners into assuming that

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Mr. Bowers double offer here of FAA policy was wrong or overruled and they've

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dutifully ignored it ever since. But before I explain why we don't need his

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grants, let me briefly address the scary threats we hear of what the FAA could

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do if we resist. Expansionist threat and clawed back old grants, a downgraded

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airport that punishes us for not allowing bigger planes by restricting us to

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smaller planes. At a prohibition on simultaneous use of the runway and taxiway, that would dramatically

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cut peak capacity. Those threats are all fake. Mr. Bowers specifically dismissed the first

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two in the same recorded BOCC remarks. The third one is an indirect way to achieve the

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same aims as the second. It's even more hostile to the FAA's own core goals of safety efficiency

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and especially access.

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Now, any of these extraordinary actions would require an elaborate process triggered by an egregious violation of law or rule that no one is proposing.

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Importantly, the FAA has made none of these threats as the county and its surrogates falsely imply.

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They were all made up by the county and its consultants to scare people.

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The FAA is powerful, but it's not unconstrained and it has rules.

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I think the way you tell its fake is that the FAA is not making the threats and it's the only one that could carry them out.

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But does our airports still need the discretionary grants it would lose by not letting in bigger planes? No.

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And that free money from all federal taxpayers comes with significant costs and risks.

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Each grant locks in another 20 years of the FAA behavior that so troubles them now.

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and now the imminent billion dollar FBO deal comes in time and in size to make

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that substitution work. In March our financial analysis found that the

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proposed hundred plus million dollars or more of FAA grants being urgently

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sought and now driving frantic county policy are not actually needed.

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Our April

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The county pleads poverty. It's about to sign this billion dollar contract with Atlantic Aviation for another 30-year monopoly on the FBO serving private planes. The county's cost estimates show that its bigger airport would cost about $335 million, minus $195 in federal grants for a net of $130, formerly $219, suddenly changed.

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FBO fees could pay the $8 million a year debt service with $15 million a year left over.

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On the same county cost estimates are better airport with no grants because no bigger planes and $88 million lower construction cost the county tends to ignore would cost $247 million with annual debt service of $16 million on the same bond terms.

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The 29 million of annual FBO fees that Mr. Peacock revealed September 10th could

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aptly fund either approach and then of course Atlantic's 54% higher offer

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than we assumed plus lower interest rates made our findings even more

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conservative. Well now the county is hoping for this 29 million a year of average FBO

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revenue expects plus nine figure FAA grants. If they get both then even if

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the total cost rose to, say, a half billion dollars, debt service would become only 13 million a year on their plan.

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And the expected FBO fees could pay it with about 20 million a year left over.

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But airports are not allowed to accumulate a big surplus and their income must all be spent on the airport.

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So they drown in money and have to slash fees promoting still more growth.

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Perhaps that's why the county is now lobbying to remove that federal restriction.

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So those airport surpluses of about 20 million a year could be spent elsewhere.

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That makes this an awkward time to claim they can't afford to patch the runway.

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Now the county's five attempts to discredit our financial analysis showing the grants aren't needed,

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cited in the readings page in your packet, all crashed when they ran out of truth.

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We use their own numbers, or arithmetic, is not an opinion.

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Their fifth strikeout on September 10 claimed FBO revenue could support only a third

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of the bonds that our better airport would need, and we're about to publish a response

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to that.

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They reached this conclusion by assuming it, without logical evidence, the consultant assumed

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high-risk, high-cost, highly-restricted junk bonds as if not adding bigger planes somehow

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must add huge financial risk.

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They ignored the airport's dozen risks, reducing attributes, many of which the county

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touts for its bonds.

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They ignored the nine proposed credit enhancing measures that our five expert advisers thought

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adequate to achieve investment grade.

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So the county would structure its bonds for a 5% rate and probably a AA rating.

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Its hit job consultant assumed high risk and bad design to make our bonds unratable and

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update the half percent.

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Mr. Peacock at all seriously misrepresented many other aspects of our analysis.

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I think all involved in that exercise should be embarrassed.

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So what should the POCC do?

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The 8 April update and strategy letter in your packet suggests a sensible way forward.

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It's like this.

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Except Mr. Bowers offer that you sort of sawdust just now on videotape,

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basically they keep their grants we keep our lab.

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Propose a new layout plan to rebuild the runway where it is at our own expense as soon

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as they let us, making the FAA responsible for any delay.

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Move ahead, briskly, to design a great new terminal and all the financing,

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offer to resubmit the valid original forecast if needed for a consistent record,

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stop the disinformation campaign, and start rebuilding public trust.

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We can then thank the FAA for continuing to keep us safe and politely decline its undesired

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services as aspirants developer in chief.

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Could they refuse?

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Yes, but they're also bound to respect local laws and rules, so if the voters change

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those, the FAA must change too.

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And our commissioners who all say they don't want bigger planes could make it so.

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Investing our own money at our own pace would regain planning independence from a vitally

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safety-skilled federal agency that cares only about aviation and seeks to impose its one-size-fits-all-growth

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ambitions on our valley without regard to any of our constraints, needs, or conditions.

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Preserving our half-century of thoughtful growth management would be a giant step toward protecting our

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home, our community's character and values, its real estate value, and our quality of life.

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One last thought, when we choose is as important as what we choose.

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It's unwise to make big airfield choices in this decade because urgently seeking those aspiring federal grants risks building the wrong thing when we're in the middle of aviation's latest revolution in history. Russian airfield decisions is like accelerating your car into a snow squad. It's really prudent to slow down until we can see where we're going. United's recent order of planes that we were told didn't exist has secured commercial service now for decades, fitting our airfield.

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and with better heveonics. That's good. So there is no need to rush and every

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reason to wait while we rebuild the runway and the terminal. We have plenty of

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time to let the aviation revolution unfold and learn what we really need. And

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now, thanks to the vast FBO windfall, what just in time we have the solid

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revenue to afford, especially if the people and elected officials like you get

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informed and weigh in. Thank you.

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Thanks, Amy. Chuck, you have a follow-up?

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You want me over here?

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Yeah, no, that's not great.

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Sorry, I was wondering if

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Chuck is I liking him.

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It was green. You hear me?

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Yes. Good.

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I'm also going to do this for myself.

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All right, this should work.

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My name's Chuck Butler.

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I am a snowmass village resident.

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So I have attended a number of these meetings virtually,

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And I can't thank each one of you enough for what you do and your time here today,

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especially as it's campaign and election season.

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I don't envy any of you now that I've gotten a taste of what we're doing here.

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So, thank you.

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I am one of the founding,

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you click on that mouse just once.

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Yeah, I am one of the founding members of our report, our vote.

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So this started as a conversation over a year and a half ago with meeting some of our

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friends at Aspen Flywright and suddenly getting sort of a new generation of locals politically

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interested.

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We are, I'll say long time locals, I think that's very fair, the core group that was involved

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as citizens against bigger planes and then ultimately stuck with us and are now in for

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the long haul with our airport, our vote, our part of a grassroots movement that had

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like true organic growth.

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I say this, we volunteered our time, not one local involved in this is being paid

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for their time, their booths on the ground, and I think this is because people care, people

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are interested.

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We got involved because it didn't feel like the Board of County commissioners were hearing

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what we were, what was being said at meetings, and we were strongly encouraged from people

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on both sides to get involved.

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And so that's why we're here.

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Some of you may have met me in the streets

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as over 30 of us circulated petitions in July.

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And we came back with over 1200 signatures.

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I think it was 1200 and three.

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Might have been 1200, 1200, 207.

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Thousand on the nose were verified by the county clerk.

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And we very proudly were able to put this on the ballot.

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the first ever citizen led initiative of a change to the home rule charter.

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Do you want to bring up the home rule charter for one second?

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Some people in the community have criticized why we went that path, why we went that route,

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on legal advice from numerous legal sources, and in doing a lot of research.

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Enough, no up or down vote that we could come up with was legally enforceable.

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So changing the legal charter to put this in, put a matter into the hands of the voters,

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was was the best path forward,

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excellent thank you so where we stand on the

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airport I think this is important for me to clear the air on this we're for

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every positive change at the airport any the airport layout plan checks every

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box except for this this disagreement we're talking about it's about the

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separation so I mean so it's so it's clear and on the record for this this

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Council and for anyone listening, we know the runway is failing and we want a new runway.

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You know, we want to receive the FA file.

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If that conversation can be had, and if the Board of County commissioners can represent this community, the way that many think it can. If that's not the case, I'll defer to what Amory said, and a lot of his research and studies and findings and presentation for breaking down those numbers. The elephant in the room and part of this conversation is the billion dollars that is set to come in, and it's plus minus, but I'll say billion dollars, that's set to come in via Atlantic.

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over the next 30 years.

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We are for a safer, cleaner, you know, better, modern airport.

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Nobody, it's an incredible amenity, we're lucky there's another ski town in this country

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to my knowledge that has an airport less than half a mile, end of a runways, less than half

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a mile from a ski resort.

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That's just incredible.

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So we're lucky to have that and, you know, to say, for people to say that we want this

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to go away, we want commercial service away, it's simply untrue.

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We want the best for the community.

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And I think what really got a lot of us passionate about this is that we want the community to have a say.

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That leads us to the ballot measures.

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So there's two ballot measures, as you know.

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We represent 200 and 200, I can tell you I've been walking, I've been going door to door, I've been part of our street team.

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And last night, I spent my time just near your neighborhood and behind the rodeo, in a stallion circle, I guess it's the neighborhood.

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What we are hearing and what people agree with and the reason we did this is that question 200, it blocks out the noise.

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This has nothing to do with the runway growth.

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So this is everything to do question 200 does about giving a voice to people on runway decisions and what the future of this valley might look like.

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That's the question, that is what it says on question 200.

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And this empowers, and we believe this, this empowers the Board of County Commissioners to speak on behalf of this community with the FAA.

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And I know there's been a process, I will credit to Jackie Francis and to everyone who involved in that.

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But we've heard now time and time again, whether it's from Mayor Tory and Aspen, or any of a number of members of that group, of that board, the vision committee, sorry, that it was flawed, and I will leave it at that.

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I'm aware of our time, so I do want to, you know, I'll be quick, and I'll hand it off to the next group.

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One C is reactionary and problematic and it would have been great if it was simply a discussion over 200.

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We are now talking about one C and we have a position asking people to vote no on one C.

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This is asking the residents of Pick and County to vote away their right on the airport, on airport matters.

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This is a historical right, the residents of Picken County have voted on this airport four times.

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And so again, you're asking to turn away this right, a historical right, and ultimately hand this off for the rest of the time.

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This doesn't get undone.

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Our group thinks this puts special interest and growth ahead of community input.

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And I have a legal memo here, which I'm going to hand to each of you for a review later, we won't be reading this together.

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But I do have a memo from a legal team from Mark Ruskin and one of his partners, Nate Bruggeman,

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one see the way it's worded and if ultimately put into place it risks violating the home

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rule charter as well as the U.S. Constitution and the Colorado Constitution. So I'll hand

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that out here in a second.

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I want to leave you with the thought we appreciate it is a hectic

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time of year, the election is a time of year that tensions are high, half of our friends

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and family are on vacation, we've got spring fall break coming up, people are in and out

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of town, this is an incredibly challenging time to be engaged, active, I appreciate everybody's

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time, I hope everybody gets out and votes, and I hope that they can take a moment to read

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and understand what these ballot measures are truly about, what they're saying, what they're

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asking people to do, and if 200 prevails, and we then go to what would probably be a special election or an election at some point in the near future with specifically an up or down on the runway.

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If the people speak, you know, we win or lose.

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So that's all we're looking for. And so I appreciate your time. I appreciate the community's time. And yeah, thank you so much. Thank you, Chuck. Thanks, Amy. I have a few questions. Yeah, I think everyone's going to have a couple questions.

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Thanks, Chuck.

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So I'm curious to know how you see the process happening.

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So, there was clearly a citizen's advisory board that has been involved for over the last couple of years and it was an extensive effort.

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200 pervails. Do you see that process happening again?

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We will then create another visioning committee to sort out the future of our airport.

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And so we're on the same page.

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He cannot answer any questions about the ballot, or about either ballot measure.

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So if 200 prevails, I would envision that the existing airport layout plan,

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the current, the one that is currently on its way through the approval process that that would get put to a vote.

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So they are calling for a 400-foot separation.

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That would be what, with our verbiage, would get put to a vote.

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Does that make sense?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now, so I do follow the airport advisory board.

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I and two of my director colleagues sought membership on it, but we're turned down.

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And I continue to follow it.

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It is notably not reviewed, not discussed, the major critique I did on the forecast, they

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simply voted without paying attention to it.

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And the same has been true for other sizable pieces of careful evidence submitted to it.

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I don't think that's wise.

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I don't think it leaves the members as well informed as the BoCC needs them to be.

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And I recently had to actually

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and monitor my friend Dan Bartholomew

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for saying some ridiculous things

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about advanced airplanes.

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I had just as it happens,

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lectured on that subject at Stanford

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where the two top arrow professors

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were there and found no errors.

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And I really was embarrassed

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that the AAB members,

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members, many of whom are dedicated and very competent are receiving wrong information

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and the public is unable to correct it by process design.

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So I think in principle, it could be a very valuable organization, but

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it's not there yet.

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It needs to be more independent and follow a really proper process of weighing all evidence.

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So, every year a consultant, I heard you say the other night you've been a consultant for 50 years.

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The county brought in a number of consultants on this project as well.

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You just don't agree with those consultants, is that right?

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Not generically, some of them, I think, did a good job and are very capable.

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Some others, I was not impressed with and I would not have hired them.

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But I think these matters should be settled by reason based on evidence and documentation.

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That's what we provided and whenever we criticize the consultants or anybody else's findings

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If you go to our thousands of hours and hundreds of pages of research all online

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You will find them laid out in proper scientific fashion. I'm a scientist by profession. I

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hope it's not immodest to say that

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Stanford's

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Scopus analysis just placed me in the top two percent of the world scientists

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I take my professional obligations as a scientist seriously, and when I see error, I try to correct it.

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When I see truth, I support it, that's my job.

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Okay.

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Tom, you had a question?

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Yeah, I have a couple questions.

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I fully appreciate how complex this is.

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I spent 18 months on their board vision committee and list meetings.

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So I understand the basic technology that we're talking about, I'm also an architect

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to understand how things lay out.

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type, a couple really simple questions, Amery for you.

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And if you can be simple answers, be really helpful. So, say we build, we all agree the runway has to rebuild. The ground under the runway is failing. It has to be rebuilt. And the only question is whether they build where it is, 320 feet of separation, or move at 80 feet, centerline 80 feet. That's the only issue we have here. So, and I think it was unexpected, but wonderful that they found the Embryer 170 feet.

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and they juiced up the engine so it can operate here and they're coming here in December and they're going to operate for 15 or 20 years, whatever the lifetime of that is.

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So, if we build a new runway in the current location and commercial aviation will be using the E175 for 15, 20 years, whatever the lifespan you know is,

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The runway last four year, 50 years, what happens if when the Embraer can no longer operate

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here, and the new planes that come out, and I know we don't know this, but the new planes

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come out and they don't have smaller wingspan, but they have larger wingspan than the 96 feet

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00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:27,000
that were allowed today, it would be allowed at the runway. Where are we at then?

428
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:35,900
Then we get to revisit the question based on the actually longer than 20, normally 30

429
00:41:35,900 --> 00:41:43,300
or 40 plus year development of aviation since then. Now my own professional opinion, closely

430
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:53,260
following that world is that by then it will be a completely moot question because the very

431
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:59,100
efficient electric planes, not necessarily with longer wings, will be cheaper to buy and

432
00:41:59,100 --> 00:41:59,960
cheaper to run.

433
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:01,580
And I didn't hear what you said.

434
00:42:01,700 --> 00:42:03,940
They're going to be a shorter wingspan to longer wingspan.

435
00:42:03,940 --> 00:42:08,100
Some will be shorter, because some will be longer.

436
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,060
Some will be longer.

437
00:42:10,060 --> 00:42:12,960
longer is the classical design solution.

438
00:42:13,140 --> 00:42:13,260
Right.

439
00:42:13,580 --> 00:42:15,000
Until about four years ago,

440
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,220
that was thought to be the only design solution.

441
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,480
We now know it's not because of actual flight testing

442
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:23,240
and further development of other types

443
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,920
that can have shorter wings,

444
00:42:25,500 --> 00:42:26,420
can fit our airport,

445
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:29,680
and can have comparable capacity and range.

446
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,720
And those are emerging incredibly quickly,

447
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,860
on roughly the same time scale as a whole new airport by the way.

448
00:42:40,180 --> 00:43:06,500
So, because the new planes by very wide opinion in the profession will be generally cheaper to buy and to build than fueled planes, including the better ones proposed here like the 2-2100, I think the fueled planes in the time frame you're describing will have been really struggling to compete.

449
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:15,340
And we'll be well underway in getting replaced by planes with enormously lower noise emission

450
00:43:15,340 --> 00:43:17,920
and pollution than any field plane can be.

451
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,960
So that was really speaking, you don't exist yet, right?

452
00:43:23,260 --> 00:43:28,160
There's not nobody's come up with a prototype yet.

453
00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:29,560
No, that's not correct.

454
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:36,620
In fact, there are 80% of the world's top 25 aerospace companies are involved.

455
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:38,340
There are many prototypes.

456
00:43:38,500 --> 00:43:44,540
I was just looking at one in Sweden a couple of weeks ago, just the day before it's anger

457
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:45,100
rolled out.

458
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,480
That one does happen to have longer wings, some others do not.

459
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:57,880
Some I can talk about, some I can't, but it is a whole petting zoo, which is featured in

460
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,040
in my latest Stanford lecture that's online.

461
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,540
If you go to our essays, essay five, go two things later,

462
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,300
you'll find something called fossil free flight

463
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:09,720
that gives you a lot of the supporting detail.

464
00:44:10,460 --> 00:44:11,700
It's moving incredibly quickly,

465
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,220
but you're speaking correctly to the last point I made

466
00:44:15,220 --> 00:44:18,140
about its important, not just what we choose,

467
00:44:18,140 --> 00:44:19,240
but when we choose.

468
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,020
We don't need to make that decision now

469
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,000
about whether to bring in bigger planes.

470
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:29,880
And I'm saying it's unwise to do so, and we have time to make that decision.

471
00:44:30,140 --> 00:44:36,300
So now we should rebuild the runway where it is, taking much more care with the geotechnical stuff.

472
00:44:36,700 --> 00:44:40,000
Any of the old cowboys would tell you that's a wet meadow with three streams in it.

473
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:42,600
And it wasn't designed to build properly for that.

474
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,840
So that's got to be done right.

475
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,820
I hope the FAA can help us with that.

476
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:52,460
But then we're set on commercial traffic for decades.

477
00:44:52,460 --> 00:44:58,680
You can argue about how many decades, meanwhile the aviation revolution unfolds, the fog

478
00:44:58,680 --> 00:44:59,860
clear the mud settles.

479
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:28,260
And we get to make wise decisions based on what we then move this along just because we have got a lot to do tonight. Let me ask. Also, a simple question. If we do move the runway. What are in your mind? What, what, what will be wrong? I mean, what, what, what, what, what, what are we worried about a year after it's completed?

480
00:45:28,860 --> 00:45:32,460
five years after it's completed, 15 years after it's completed.

481
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:39,340
I mean, what is it that we are so worried about if we build this bigger runway?

482
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:44,780
Because we know we're not going to have larger commercial planes for 15, 20, or 30 years, as you said.

483
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,260
We're going to operate the 175.

484
00:45:49,020 --> 00:45:53,460
So just tell me really simply, 15, 15 years.

485
00:45:53,620 --> 00:45:55,560
What are we worried about?

486
00:45:55,560 --> 00:46:02,800
But just to be clear, many of the super-efficient and electric planes are being, are

487
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,860
adoring service in this decade and even some in the next few years, the smaller ones.

488
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,480
So they are not 20 or 30 years out.

489
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:17,360
No, but I think that, I can't speak for Sky West, they've just invested in all these new

490
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:18,880
Embryer 175s.

491
00:46:19,420 --> 00:46:21,700
They're not going to throw them away in five years.

492
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,340
They're going to operate them here unless there's some really strong reason not to.

493
00:46:25,340 --> 00:46:35,100
I'm saying there will be strong economic and impact and other reasons to seriously consider whether to keep operating let alone

494
00:46:35,780 --> 00:46:41,160
Well, that's great. I mean that they bring in more efficient quieter planes. That's all better

495
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:46,260
I'm that they could operate down any of the runway. So that's the point. What's wrong with moving the runway?

496
00:46:47,380 --> 00:46:49,800
Let me take it on three levels. First of all

497
00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:59,040
Risk management is about minimizing regret at what you did you wish you hadn't, or what you didn't do you wish you had.

498
00:46:59,860 --> 00:47:03,280
So you're asking me to look back from that perspective.

499
00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:10,160
And I would say one of our regrets could be that we wasted $88 million in a lot of hassle.

500
00:47:12,860 --> 00:47:21,600
building an airfield design for airplanes that are no longer the future of aviation, but we'll be getting faced out.

501
00:47:21,940 --> 00:47:25,020
But let me just stop you there because I don't mean interrupt.

502
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:36,420
But moving the runway 80 feet, center line, is not going to change the operation of the runway to slow slightly larger planes.

503
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:45,140
And other than that, it's not, in any way, changing, as you said, the operation of the airport, as opposed to if you keep the runway or it is.

504
00:47:45,140 --> 00:47:57,960
Well, according to the county's budget estimates, it actually does incur an additional $88 million or so numbers of causes of airfueled cost of other kinds moving other stuff around.

505
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,040
Okay, I didn't want to get into the cost.

506
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,020
I'm trying to talk about practical physical things.

507
00:48:03,020 --> 00:48:07,000
So there is significant money involved.

508
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:15,100
Secondly, by moving the runway, we would have opened up the airport to all kinds of airplanes

509
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:17,540
up to 118 foot wingspan.

510
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:23,840
Anything that can get here, there might be a weight limit, would be able to.

511
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:27,800
We couldn't stop it. We couldn't ensure any of the outcomes we wanted.

512
00:48:28,660 --> 00:48:33,000
There are arguments about what the net effect is and the answer is nobody can know.

513
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:44,500
But we do know that under the county's plan, that is the airline planes that it expects to operate and not counting any private ones.

514
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,400
Yes, 8 to 20.

515
00:48:45,540 --> 00:48:45,960
It's uncertain.

516
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:46,540
Yes, yes.

517
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,560
And later, the design.

518
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:50,100
Yes, the one there.

519
00:48:50,580 --> 00:48:53,680
The objective plan is 8 to 20, whether or not it ever shows up.

520
00:48:53,840 --> 00:49:01,240
Setting the 300, we're designing around, including all those and looking at how many fly in which year according to their approved forecast.

521
00:49:01,240 --> 00:49:07,240
that's the environmental table I showed showing that all six of the

522
00:49:07,240 --> 00:49:13,360
environmental goals in the court community thing flunk. They are not satisfied

523
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:21,020
as the advertisements say and that's why I think the posted airport modernization

524
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:27,180
goals drop those 30% drop goals. They're not in there anymore. There's only a vague

525
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:31,820
goal so any improvement is a win and sufficient. I don't think that's what the

526
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:37,600
community had in mind. I'm still not hearing just sort of a clear answer that

527
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:44,240
if we build a bigger runway we're going to get 2737's landing here every week or

528
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:50,140
so. I'm not hearing that because we can't tell there are many hundreds of shall we

529
00:49:50,140 --> 00:49:56,120
say offensive or unsuitable big old dirty noisy planes in private ownership. Some

530
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,640
of those owners would like to come here. It's not just the 737.

531
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,480
There are quite a few other types, but all those types were lumped together in one category that the forecasters did not detail. So we couldn't tell how many they expect to come. So it's on the private side. That's all on the private side. And, you know, because he couldn't operate a big plane fully loaded with commercial pastors, they can't operate here, right? Well, probably, if you have six pastors on, you can land one. Probably not, but I think one of the points missed in Bill's comparison, which has 13 slides on.

532
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,220
and airline 737s, nobody's worried about,

533
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,140
and one really sketchy slide on the private ones

534
00:50:36,140 --> 00:50:37,720
that everyone should worry about.

535
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,160
He didn't mention that the private ones

536
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:44,140
are usually much lighter, and that means more kinds

537
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:46,580
can come in, than could if they were commercial.

538
00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:47,580
Thanks for spotting that.

539
00:50:48,420 --> 00:50:51,440
And I think just to tack on to that,

540
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:53,140
we're talking about lighting a runway

541
00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:55,380
for a handful of newer cleaner planes

542
00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:58,040
and leaving the back door open to these, you know,

543
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,760
It does in hundreds of planes that will be dirtier, older, and louder.

544
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:08,460
And I think from a commercial side, we know that A220 Delta has those.

545
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:14,760
Sky West United American do not, from what we know, plan to fly those in anytime soon.

546
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:20,660
I will defer to someone like Bill or someone else who has maybe a little bit more expertise on that.

547
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,780
But that A220 is, I think it's 109 seats.

548
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:31,160
There's also talk of more directs from elsewhere, so that could, we could see a gain there.

549
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,740
I don't want to linger on that too much.

550
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,420
I do think to simplify it, a wider runway means more planes.

551
00:51:39,500 --> 00:51:41,880
More planes, no matter how you look at it, means more people.

552
00:51:42,580 --> 00:51:49,020
And that will then add to any of the number of the challenges that we've talked about, whether it's, you know, travel and housing.

553
00:51:49,020 --> 00:51:52,920
They were switched to the A220 instead of the MBR175.

554
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,960
We have a lot quieter, less polluting planes.

555
00:51:56,380 --> 00:52:09,180
And then there's no question we can get some like 220s quieter and in some respects environmentally better but not nox planes.

556
00:52:09,740 --> 00:52:16,560
At the same time, however, unavoidably we would get other private kinds of planes we don't want that are worse and

557
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:17,960
Nobody knows what the balance will be.

558
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:20,060
Okay, thank you.

559
00:52:20,300 --> 00:52:23,100
I mean, he did touch on it and we need to move on, thanks a lot.

560
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:31,200
Yeah, so I mean, I guess to your point, Chuck, there's only a certain number of operations that can happen an hour, right?

561
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,240
So we're not guaranteed to have more flights.

562
00:52:34,900 --> 00:52:36,500
And may I just one last thought then?

563
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:42,880
So I think the number one threat to commercial service is widening in the runway, which allows for more planes.

564
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,880
We have 83% private service right now.

565
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,820
Commercial planes don't get priority on landing here.

566
00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:53,820
I think with more private planes landing here, coming here of this runway being available to them.

567
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,460
We risk seeing that commercial service, go down to, I don't know what the numbers are but.

568
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,640
All right, thank you, I want to make sure that we're keeping an eye on our time here.

569
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,400
So I mean, I think it's safe to say there's a fair amount of speculation going on here.

570
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:13,220
There's a lot that we don't know, and we should provide a lot of important information.

571
00:53:13,220 --> 00:53:17,540
there's a lot to unpack there, and Chuck, I appreciate what you had to say as well.

572
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,620
So thank you guys for coming.

573
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:25,280
I think we need to provide the other side with an opportunity to present their case.

574
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,440
But again, I appreciate you guys being here.

575
00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:39,280
Thank you for asking and let me compliment this group because this is actually a more substantive discussion than any other elected body in the valley has held with us.

576
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:39,780
Thank you.

577
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:40,880
Thanks for that.

578
00:53:41,940 --> 00:53:42,380
Thank you.

579
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:42,500
You're here.

580
00:53:42,740 --> 00:53:43,380
Appreciate it.

581
00:53:43,620 --> 00:53:44,040
Thank you.

582
00:53:44,220 --> 00:53:44,900
Thank you for coming.

583
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:45,440
Thanks.

584
00:53:45,620 --> 00:53:46,660
George and Michael.

585
00:53:58,420 --> 00:54:00,860
I could start by Michael sending out.

586
00:54:01,220 --> 00:54:01,440
Okay.

587
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,340
For the record, I'm George Newman.

588
00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:05,800
I'm a former Picket County Commissioner.

589
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:07,880
Actually, George, why don't you just hang on the second sore.

590
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Make sure everybody can hear what you've got going.

591
00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:14,920
Great.

592
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,420
Thank you, George.

593
00:54:16,500 --> 00:54:16,760
Go ahead.

594
00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:18,560
I'm a former Picket County Commissioner.

595
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,580
It has been involved with the airport.

596
00:54:21,580 --> 00:54:27,260
for the 12 years that I served, I was involved with the runway extension, the 2009.

597
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,140
The reason that runway was extended, safety.

598
00:54:31,860 --> 00:54:38,740
I was involved with the 2016 airport layout plan and also the latest one.

599
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,580
So I just want to go back to the future for a few minutes here.

600
00:54:46,210 --> 00:54:53,150
2016, we approved an airport layout plan submitted to the FAA and it was approved.

601
00:54:53,310 --> 00:54:59,850
Then went through the normal public process, just like the public process that you go through with any.

602
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:16,300
Any issues that come before you? At the end of that process, we started to get some feedback from the community saying that they did not really understand what was happening. And they wanted to be able to take a step back and get more involved and get more information.

603
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:31,410
We asked the FAA if we could do another process to look at a community-based process to develop a new airport

604
00:55:34,810 --> 00:55:46,890
The FDA had never heard of any community doing such a process just in terms of trying to update an airport layout plan, but they gave us permission to do it, which was great.

605
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:57,510
So then what we did was we sent out information anyone who was interested in serving on this new process to get involved.

606
00:55:57,510 --> 00:56:00,270
Well, some of you were involved.

607
00:56:01,010 --> 00:56:07,310
We had over 120 citizens representing a cross section of the entire, not only entire

608
00:56:07,310 --> 00:56:10,290
art community, but also from the Valley, going for Valley.

609
00:56:10,930 --> 00:56:14,270
They worked hard diligently for over 16 months.

610
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:23,450
They were able to learn, to ask questions, to educate themselves from a variety of experts

611
00:56:23,450 --> 00:56:29,730
that we brought in from around the country concerning all types of import operations.

612
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:34,570
In addition, we also have one group, we have five different groups, we have one group

613
00:56:34,570 --> 00:56:41,290
that just dwelt on the idea of community character, and how would the airport layout plan

614
00:56:41,290 --> 00:56:46,570
that they were discussing impact effect be positive or negative for the community.

615
00:56:47,130 --> 00:56:49,110
And that was an important component.

616
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:50,230
So,

617
00:56:52,320 --> 00:57:16,680
unprecedented for the FAA, unprecedented for, I think for any elected body in the Picking County, whether it be Snowmass Village, City of Aspen or the Board of County Commissioners, we have never, I've never seen a process, a community process that involved so many people took so long, has so much information provided to them.

618
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:30,260
And out of that process came over 50 recommendations that were labeled the common ground recommendations that were presented to the board of county commissioners, I was on the board of that time.

619
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:37,280
And we accepted those recommendations and passed that airport layout plan onto the FAA.

620
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:44,520
today. Now, as what was discussed already, some of the main components of those over

621
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:52,580
50 goals led to four or five top goals. We've heard it, but I'll repeat it. Safety

622
00:57:52,580 --> 00:57:59,160
was number one. I improved the safety of our airport and our airfield. Second was to

623
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:06,600
reduce greenhouse gas emissions and pollutants by at least 30%. Third was to reduce noise

624
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,340
raised by at least 30 percent.

625
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,660
Fourth was to develop an interconnected mass transit system

626
00:58:12,660 --> 00:58:15,900
between the airport, aspirin and snow mass

627
00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:19,720
that would take vehicular trips off the highway.

628
00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:25,360
And last was to manage implements by our values

629
00:58:25,620 --> 00:58:26,960
from our community.

630
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,560
So this was not a county plan.

631
00:58:31,620 --> 00:58:34,580
This was and is a community plan.

632
00:58:34,580 --> 00:58:41,300
build up from the bottom up by the community and for the community.

633
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:49,260
Michael will sort of, Michael will talk about a lot of the things that go went into that

634
00:58:49,260 --> 00:58:55,020
plan and certainly will be able to diffuse some of the statements that you've heard today.

635
00:58:55,540 --> 00:59:00,280
In the last one, I just want to say because there has been a lot of misinformation presented.

636
00:59:01,260 --> 00:59:04,640
Whether it's been on purpose or not, I'm not going to say.

637
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:15,700
But that last slide was really indicative of how misinformed they are presenting to the community.

638
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:20,500
So the last slide talked about

639
00:59:23,060 --> 00:59:29,700
the, that the thinking County Board of County Commission's

640
00:59:29,700 --> 00:59:35,800
validation was unlawful when against a home road charter and even unconstitutional.

641
00:59:36,580 --> 00:59:41,980
Well, if some of you saw today's Aspen Daily News,

642
00:59:42,850 --> 00:59:48,360
Picking County Commissioners refuted that statement. And I'll just read that to you if you haven't

643
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:56,400
seen it. Picking County Commissioners reject the recent claim by the group R Airport R vote

644
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,780
That's a language.

645
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,160
Of the ballot question, one C is unconstitutional. The language of one C, which reaffirms picking counties' authority to implement a plan to make safety and other improvements to the Asmond Picket County Airport, was thoroughly researched and legally vetted before it was placed on a ballot. The language is legally sound, and the county stands behind it.

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The public should know that the argument that one C is somehow unconstitutional or violates

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the county home rule is without merit.

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That's just one example of the misinformation that's being presented to you.

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This is a simple presentation.

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It's not a lot of mumble jumbo, it's not a lot of numbers, it's just straightforward,

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or factual and we'll be able to respond quickly

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and officially to any questions.

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So I'll turn this over to Michael now.

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So your microphone on green light?

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Oh, it was a light green.

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No, it's a breaky, yeah, all right.

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So I'm Michael Miracle.

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I'm here on behalf of a whole lot of people

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for a better airport.

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And I'm gonna, there's some redundancy in some of what

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I'm gonna flash on the screen and what George said.

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So I'm gonna try not to repeat things.

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But as Amory pointed out, we are all in agreement on many things, and I want to try to speak

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to you as elected officials who are responsible for managing the well-being of A-town, and

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you've been elected to do so, and I think you do an excellent job.

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This is fundamentally a conversation about failing infrastructure.

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structure, and I'm sure you know that fixing infrastructure is not easy.

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The last major airfield in terminal upgrades were over 40 years ago.

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Our part is out of date, and we all agree, all parties agree on that now, but I want to

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be clear about something.

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That was not always the case.

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This idea that everybody is agreeing on everything except for the runway widening and the runway

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taxi separation is not true. I was on the Community Character Working Group, Tom, you

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were on the Vision Committee. This attrition and this lack of faith and this criticizing

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of the process that you're hearing, there's a reason for that. That's because there were

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a lot of people who were part of that process who were dug in at a hard no to everything

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on day one. No new terminal, no new runway, CRJ 700 can continue into the foreseeable future

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and by that they meant decades, not forever but decades. Over time, everyone more and more

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people became aware that, oh, actually we did a terminal tour. The terminal needs to be replaced.

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Then it became, do the terminal not the runway. This has been a slow evolution to this level of

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consensus that we're at now, where there's only one point of disagreement, but the reason

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that there was a trition during the common ground process is because people realize that the

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node at everything position was untenable so they dropped out.

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And I want to speak to just a couple more things in the process, one of which is this fleet

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The FAA requires that you do a forecast, a defensible forecast, angry questions, the validity

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of it, that's fine.

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The thing that I think is being confused here is that the forecast is in many ways being

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presented as if it's a goal, like that we are striving to achieve the FAAs accepted

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forecast numbers.

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As a reminder, the community proposal was a 0.8 percent growth.

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We went as a community as low as we reasonably could, and the FA said, that's too low.

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That's indefensibly low.

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So what the forecast is, it's not a goal, it's a forecast, it's a tool that allows you

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to plan in a reasonable and responsible way for the future that could potentially come.

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But to represent it like we are all striving for that level of employment increase and it's

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attempting that the FA is forcing that down our throat and there's some degree of inevitability

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to it is not true, it's not a goal, it's a tool to plan responsibly with.

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on the question of funding, this is a reason to do this.

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01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:29,280
Now, this is, there is an urgency here because big federal funding sources are expiring. It's not about chasing money, it's about being financially responsible. You have to do this, everyone agrees, you have to replace the terminal in the runway. Why not take free money to do it? And I'll speak to the FBO as well, but just to be clear, that the county brought in consultants to analyze various financial plans.

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I think it's a bit outrageous to imply that they're all lying or wrong because why would

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they do that?

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What is their motivation?

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01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:47,640
Again, as elected officials, I would hope that you would hear those kinds of accusations

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against your fellow elected officials with a bit of a cringe because I think that you bring

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in consultants to try to understand things all the time and you probably you may ask questions

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but you take them on their merits. And then on the idea of funding this via FBO revenues.

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First of all, the consultants analyze that and said that the county does not have the bonding

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capability to use that revenue to bond at the dollar amounts that they need to to spend

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the kind of money that you will need to spend on the terminal and the runway.

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I think the second more perplexing aspect of it is that it is using the FBO as your

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01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:37,700
principal funding mechanism ties your funding source to the thing that the

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opponents say they want less of which is private planes. So if you're saying

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let's fund it over here from this source that is the thing we want less of it

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01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,220
It makes it a lot harder to kind of pursue a getting less of it, which you really can't

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do in any way because the FAA has a strict non-discrimination clause.

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01:07:02,580 --> 01:07:08,460
So on this funding, because this is a critical component, and Tom, you brought that up, I think,

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and some of your questions.

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The FAA has categorically stated in writing to the county that without an approved airport

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layout plan, they will no longer provide any grants for current needs or future needs

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for the airfield or the terminal period. The contract that the county is currently

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working with with Atlantic has some big numbers. However, Atlantic has in that contract written

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that if the county does not abide by the FAA's rules,

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in terms of standardization, those dollars will be reduced substantially, substantial.

724
01:07:54,180 --> 01:07:56,860
I just clarify, ask a question for clarification.

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01:07:57,580 --> 01:08:01,260
You say standardization, does that mean moving the runway?

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01:08:01,620 --> 01:08:03,460
Is that a requirement for the FBO?

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01:08:04,860 --> 01:08:07,600
It's a requirement for the county to receive money,

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And it's a requirement that the FBO has put in there that if the county is not in accordance with the FAA's

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01:08:18,740 --> 01:08:19,780
standardization measures

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that

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Atlantic will reduce the amount that they're

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01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:30,480
They're contract to arrange for the county. We just I'm sorry. I don't want to disrupt you, but

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01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:35,220
You said we need to get an approved airport layout plan. Correct

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01:08:35,220 --> 01:08:43,340
will the FAA approve an airport layout plan that does not move the runway? Do we know yes or no on that?

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01:08:43,660 --> 01:08:54,200
Let me take this just because here is a direct quote from a letter sent by John Bauer this summer not going back to April 2023, a more recent correspondence.

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The FAA will not approve any future ALPs that do not meet the 400-foot runway taxiway separation standard.

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,620
period. Pretty clear. Yeah.

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01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:12,580
And if same correspondence, if ASE, the Aspen Airport,

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chooses to reconstruct the runway in its current location, the modification of

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standard will be terminated, and the county will no longer have an approved

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LP. So it's pretty unambiguous, I think. That is me reading direct notes that way.

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01:09:27,820 --> 01:09:36,760
Yes. Okay. Um, and the reason that they are so digging dug in on this is because of safety.

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That this idea that they're trying to force bigger plans on us is simply not true.

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They're doing away with with modifications to standard because there actually is a

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01:09:47,220 --> 01:09:52,820
an aspect to standardization that is good. Uh, you know, I liken it to a basketball hoop.

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01:09:52,820 --> 01:09:59,980
You go to every basketball arena in the NBA and the hoops 10 feet tall and you know you can go through

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01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,980
Are you free-throw motion and head of free-throw? By being fully to ADG-3 standards, we will have the dimensions of other ADG-3 runways, and it makes it more predictable. The pilots know what they're doing better. They're landing on an airfield similar to the one they've landed elsewhere. A 150-foot wide runway is safer. There are less excursions off the surface.

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01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:32,260
side than 100 foot wide runway.

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01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:38,240
We are now, these Embraery 175s have 95 foot wing spans.

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That's 95% of the 100 foot wide runway.

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And when we go to 150 feet and we have an 118 foot maximum, that is a smaller percentage

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of the runway that that plane will be taking up and the same is true for the runway taxiway

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separation. They

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want more room for the planes to land on and they want the planes to be further

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01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:02,140
parts so they don't bump into each other, which happens.

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01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:07,380
It happened in Atlanta a few months ago where a plane's whole tail got knocked off because

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01:11:07,380 --> 01:11:08,880
they ran into each other like this.

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And you know, every mention that there are 85 modifications to standard at the airport,

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that's true.

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And there are some of them that won't go away despite the FA wanting to get rid of the modifications

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01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:24,300
to standard.

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01:11:24,300 --> 01:11:33,700
But their number one and two priorities, they're sort of non-negotiables are safety and access.

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So those are the two things they're not going to let you do.

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01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:40,000
They're not going to let you violate their safety standards.

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01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:45,080
Amory's right, the airport is not currently unsafe, but it can be made safer.

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And the access question, you know, the community produced a recommendation

767
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:59,780
that really did try to limit growth and limit future fleet mix in a way that the FAA said,

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,380
that's just too obviously discrimination.

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01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:06,760
But as it turns out, we don't need to worry about it that much anyway.

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01:12:07,300 --> 01:12:08,560
And I'll explain why.

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:18,180
So, these goals George mentioned that reduced greenhouse gases,

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is net zero terminal, greener planes,

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and then a few more direct flights.

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Something that hasn't come up today is,

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01:12:28,100 --> 01:12:30,780
and again, Amory took the time to figure this out

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01:12:30,780 --> 01:12:34,340
in detail, and that is to recognize

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01:12:34,340 --> 01:12:38,120
that there is a 98% correlation between bed base

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01:12:38,740 --> 01:12:39,560
and employment.

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So it's fairly understood and accepted

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01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:47,220
that bed-base is the ultimate governor of tourism volume.

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And on this managed growth question, you know, he asks if jurisdictions are going to

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01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,020
be able to regulate short-term rentals.

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01:13:03,700 --> 01:13:06,940
That's a question for you guys, and I think if you want to, you can.

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01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,480
The City of Aspen has done it.

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01:13:09,480 --> 01:13:16,340
But Glenwood Springs started digging in and regulating short-term rentals in 2012.

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And in two years, they reduced the number of short-term rentals in their community by 30%.

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01:13:21,140 --> 01:13:23,740
It can be done, communities do it all over the place.

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01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,520
We are having sensible conversations about bed-based in this community.

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And the idea that the airport modernization will lead to a proliferation of short-term

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:43,300
rentals that no jurisdiction can control is speculated and it's demonstrably false because

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01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:45,940
jurisdictions have regulated them.

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On the question of plain size, both commercial and private, so we know that the immediate

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01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:03,080
term future plain is going to be the Embraer E 175.

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01:14:04,420 --> 01:14:08,520
It doesn't meaningfully move the needle on climate and emissions.

795
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,520
There's a slightly better on one, slightly worse on the other.

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01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:16,440
But it doesn't move it towards our goals.

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01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:25,100
That A-22100, Tom, that you mentioned, that's the plan that the whole common ground recommendation was aiming at.

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01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:28,680
Delta is all in on this plan, so it will come here.

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01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:30,260
They'd be flying it here tomorrow if they could.

800
01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:38,060
But 109 passengers is nine passengers more than the BA-146, which served this market for a long time.

801
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:42,360
You want to explain what that plane was? That was the plane before the current CRJ.

802
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:46,720
So it was coming to this market, so nine more passengers.

803
01:14:46,980 --> 01:14:55,960
But this Airbus A22100 is the quietest plane flying in the United States,

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01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,280
It's quite a commercial plan, excuse me, flying in the United States today.

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:27,080
I won't pull it out and read it to you, but the mayor of Newport Beach, California in 2019 sent a letter to Delta Airlines. This is a community that suffers from quality of life, impacts from its airport, noise and emissions, and have been trying to figure out how to deal with that for a long time. This mayor, a woman, she wrote a letter to Delta Airlines, profusely thanking them for bringing the A22100 into the community.

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01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:32,940
She said it was a cause for widespread celebration and that they would be sharing the news far

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01:15:32,940 --> 01:15:33,260
and wide.

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01:15:33,500 --> 01:15:34,880
That may not be a perfect direct quote.

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01:15:35,980 --> 01:15:41,800
On the big private question, you don't actually have to engage in wild speculation as

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01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:47,000
is being done on this because there are other airports that have very wealthy communities

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01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:52,320
that are currently fully airport design group 3 that these planes could be landing at.

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01:15:52,500 --> 01:15:56,720
So if they were out there and the numbers you are being told, they'd be showing up at

813
01:15:56,720 --> 01:16:01,600
Jackson and great numbers and they'd be showing up in Vale at great numbers, but they're not.

814
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:06,700
So the same thing that is happening with the commercial aircraft is happening with the

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01:16:06,700 --> 01:16:11,660
private aircraft, which is over time they are going to get quieter and cleaner.

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01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:17,280
And then in terms of like no one is really arguing that the big commercials are going to come

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01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,680
because they just don't make economic sense for this market.

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01:16:20,540 --> 01:16:26,420
But you could get the occasional, you could get some direct flights from East Coast cities

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01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:31,860
that are currently aren't served from us, say New York and D.C., but from a climate perspective,

820
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:38,880
that is a big win. New York is one of our top two markets already. They're coming here already.

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01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:42,920
They just take a two-leg flight from through Chicago through Denver to get here.

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01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:49,480
By eliminating one of the takeoff legs, which burns a disproportionate amount of fuel for a flight,

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01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:55,920
right, you reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of that total travel substantially.

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01:16:58,900 --> 01:17:08,900
So, you know, this does sound like a really shocking kind of like, you know, worst-case scenario

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:11,260
this could happen.

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01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:19,420
But this, so, Emily put up a few things, the downgrade airport design group 2 could have

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01:17:19,420 --> 01:17:27,620
if we don't have an approved LP or this sterilization, but again, John Bauer said, if you choose not

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01:17:27,620 --> 01:17:32,160
to reconstruct the runway in its current location, the modification to standard will be terminated.

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01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:38,360
That then could set off a sequence of events because the 95-foot wingspan restriction

830
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:44,740
is no longer enforceable because it's tied to that modification to standard, which allows you to have

831
01:17:44,740 --> 01:17:49,440
with 320-foot separation between runway and taxiway versus the 400-foot.

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01:17:51,100 --> 01:17:55,840
So it could go away and John Bauer has alluded to this.

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01:17:55,980 --> 01:17:57,160
He has set it to the county.

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01:17:57,500 --> 01:17:59,200
It has come up in multiple public meetings.

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01:17:59,480 --> 01:18:03,000
Bill Tomsich and Dan Bartholomew talked to you about it when they presented here.

836
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:10,360
That would mean that any design group three plane up to 118 feet could land at the airport,

837
01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:16,300
but only if the taxiway, the airfield is sterilized,

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01:18:16,420 --> 01:18:19,220
which would mean no planes on the taxiway

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01:18:19,220 --> 01:18:23,880
and it would dramatically reduce the air traffic volume

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01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:28,180
and would really do real demonstrable harm

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01:18:28,180 --> 01:18:32,060
to any aspect of your community

842
01:18:32,060 --> 01:18:34,720
that depends on regular visitation.

843
01:18:41,140 --> 01:18:44,680
And just, do you want to take this, we'll make you go on.

844
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:45,760
Oh, you're on a roll.

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01:18:48,220 --> 01:18:54,080
If one see passes, it just reauthorizes the county commissioners to be able to do the

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thing that they do.

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01:18:55,900 --> 01:19:01,980
And Bill, you asked a great question of, okay, well, if you get 200 and not one see, what

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01:19:01,980 --> 01:19:02,820
do you do?

849
01:19:03,380 --> 01:19:07,500
Well, you would say, okay, well, how do we get something that the community would be

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01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:08,160
okay with?

851
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:11,420
and that the FAA is going to potentially agree to.

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01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,300
You would do, the best way to do it would be

853
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:17,500
to do the exact same thing that we just did.

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01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:19,840
Would be to bring people together,

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01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,160
roll up their sleeves, try there as hard as they can

856
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,860
to come up with a values informed proposal

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01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,080
and then do your best to see it through.

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So there is, to me, I'm sorry to say,

859
01:19:34,740 --> 01:19:40,940
But this is like, this is kind of a stop the steel sort of thing, which is a very public

860
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:46,300
process unfolded. It was, as George said, incredibly community informed.

861
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:53,340
All of the concerns were raised. They were addressed. I was in the meetings. I watched it happen

862
01:19:53,340 --> 01:19:59,740
to say that they were just dismissed or that some corrupt consultant just, you know, gave the answer that

863
01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:29,100
Who ever wanted to hear? The commissioners really tried hard. They all ran on slow to no growth platforms, right? Nobody's banging the drum for growth here. And then the airport opponents did not get the outcome that they wanted. So they said we want to do it again on different terms and we're going to go a direct democracy route. But you're going to have to get an approved LP somehow. And if you want it to be community informed,

864
01:20:29,100 --> 01:20:34,640
You know, it would be smart to support the community informed one that is trying to make

865
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,280
its way through the process right now.

866
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:45,360
So the idea that was presented, why don't we just pause this, why don't we just start

867
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:51,820
a whole another process, like Michael said, why don't we try to figure out how the county

868
01:20:51,820 --> 01:20:57,180
is going to try to pay for a new airfield?

869
01:20:57,180 --> 01:21:00,560
because it won't be coming from the Feds, from the FAA.

870
01:21:02,460 --> 01:21:04,340
Bonding, the counties are going to be limited.

871
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:09,760
They may be able to come up with a way to bond long term

872
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:13,700
just to restructure the airfield, but that's it.

873
01:21:14,660 --> 01:21:16,860
There won't be any money for ongoing maintenance.

874
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,480
There won't be any, certainly no money for a new terminal,

875
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:22,560
modernized terminal, which the entire community wants.

876
01:21:23,220 --> 01:21:26,200
All of you flying to fly out, you've got family flies

877
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:31,500
to fly out, you guess, you know what it's like in a winter time when flights get canceled

878
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:35,760
what that terminal looks like, it's completely outdated, it needs to be modernized.

879
01:21:35,860 --> 01:21:43,420
We have the ability, we have the ability right now to be able to utilize some additional

880
01:21:43,420 --> 01:21:50,320
money that the FAA has another bucket of money from Biden's Infrastructure and Inflation

881
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:52,160
Reduction Act.

882
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:59,820
There's money there that can fill the gap between the 10% that the FAA will provide for the new terminal and the cost of that new terminal.

883
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,740
Those funds go away in 2026.

884
01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,480
The county's already lost the opportunity for the first round.

885
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:16,540
And in fact, this past year, last May, when the county had to do some bandage work, they could utilize FAA grants.

886
01:22:16,540 --> 01:22:21,180
And that's that came out of the airport revenue fund of the cost of about $7 million.

887
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:29,480
Next May, the airport is going to be closed for an additional week, longer to, again, do some band-aids.

888
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:35,640
That money has to at this point come out of the airport revenue fund because the FAs are going to fund it.

889
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:42,800
So it comes down to safety, it comes down to modernization, it comes down to funding, and it comes down to timing.

890
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:51,340
snowmass you've got a growing thriving community your bed bases growing the

891
01:22:51,340 --> 01:22:56,740
airport is a key gateway to your community for yourselves for your friends for

892
01:22:56,740 --> 01:23:01,640
your guests it's you know the airport is an integral part of the

893
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:06,560
economic and social fabric of your community why wouldn't you want to look

894
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:11,380
towards the future and ensure that your community has that ability to maintain

895
01:23:11,380 --> 01:23:14,480
they continue to thrive and continue to grow.

896
01:23:15,900 --> 01:23:21,500
It's not rocket science, you don't have to be a natural physicist, it's just common

897
01:23:21,500 --> 01:23:21,980
sense.

898
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:28,780
And I think, you know, some of the, maybe some of the instinctual pushback that you

899
01:23:28,780 --> 01:23:34,500
hear on the airport chuck kind of spoke to a little bit, which is just, we don't need more

900
01:23:34,500 --> 01:23:36,440
of anything that it's going to lead to more.

901
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:43,960
And, you know, as I said, bedbases is the established, understood governor of visitor volume,

902
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:48,740
but then let's ask ourselves, how could things maybe be made better by the airport?

903
01:23:49,340 --> 01:23:54,580
George alluded to this idea of transit connectivity, but for me, this has been the one that I've

904
01:23:54,580 --> 01:24:01,120
been most excited about all along, which is currently fewer than 5% of people who use the

905
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,080
airport, use public transportation to get to and from Aspen and Snowmass.

906
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:11,980
There's a reason for that. The buses are luggage incompatible. It's out on the highway. It's poorly signed, right?

907
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:18,720
But we know, you all know, Alyssa really knows because she works as an ambassador helping people find their way getting off the buses,

908
01:24:19,140 --> 01:24:20,780
that we have a highly

909
01:24:20,780 --> 01:24:28,320
transit-cultured visitor base. We have an incredible head start on people's willingness to get on public transportation,

910
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:33,260
possibly for the only week in their lives while they're here and get to the skieries.

911
01:24:33,260 --> 01:24:37,740
We know that they do it all winter long from to get to and from the skieries.

912
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:42,560
It is not in any way unreasonable to think that if we had a great transit system that was

913
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:47,640
luggage compatible, or that where you could check your luggage all the way through to the hotel,

914
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:54,140
which is in the common ground proposal. That is one of the many, many excellent ideas

915
01:24:54,140 --> 01:24:59,960
that is in this community-generated document. Then you just get on to the bus with a care

916
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:26,620
All right, let's carry on and you get into Aspen, you might need to take a downtowner to get to your Airbnb or whatever. But that's, we're thinking 20, 30 years into the future. There's going to be autonomous vehicles. This is the future we want. And to try to say, let's slow it down. Let's hold off on embracing the future is the very definition of shortsighted.

917
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:32,340
Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.

918
01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:42,560
I think one of the really important keys to this is both the funding and the safety.

919
01:25:43,780 --> 01:25:51,580
I mean, Amory gave us some good numbers, but from what we've seen from John Peacock,

920
01:25:52,220 --> 01:25:57,920
he's very clear about the bonding and how much funding we can actually get for the airport.

921
01:25:58,660 --> 01:26:03,920
You know, it's clear we could either do the airport or the terminal, but not both.

922
01:26:05,500 --> 01:26:08,560
The runway or the terminal. Sorry, the runway or the terminal.

923
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:18,040
And so, and I think it's really, I hate when anybody wants to make a decision based on fear.

924
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:23,260
Like if we're just afraid of something because of something that could potentially happen,

925
01:26:23,260 --> 01:26:27,020
And I don't think we're making a rational decision coming from the right space.

926
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:35,300
Sorry, go ahead, Sue.

927
01:26:35,740 --> 01:26:35,960
Interrupt.

928
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:36,720
No, go ahead.

929
01:26:36,860 --> 01:26:39,320
Go ahead.

930
01:26:39,320 --> 01:26:51,980
Because at this point, to me, what kind of eye question is, if the county commissioners

931
01:26:51,980 --> 01:27:02,540
are, and the original community-based process was so valuable and really willing to listen

932
01:27:02,540 --> 01:27:09,660
to all of the community voice, why there's concern about having a vote by the people

933
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,760
to accept the airport layout plan.

934
01:27:14,580 --> 01:27:19,420
Well, they're not, I mean the public has the ability to vote.

935
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,860
The Board of County Commission has put that on a ballot.

936
01:27:23,220 --> 01:27:26,600
But it's to give them the power to do it themselves.

937
01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:32,460
Not for the community to actually look at the plan and approve it or not.

938
01:27:33,480 --> 01:27:38,360
The community has had a chance to look at the plan and they have the opportunity to vote on it on one C.

939
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:42,480
They could support one C, or they could vote against one C.

940
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:45,440
in the community then has had that opportunity to vote.

941
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:58,820
It seems like that if you vote on 100, then that gives the community the right to vote.

942
01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:03,420
And that one C gives the commissioners just more power.

943
01:28:04,260 --> 01:28:06,060
It doesn't give the commissioners more power.

944
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,300
It reaffirms the power they already have.

945
01:28:08,300 --> 01:28:15,400
As a sponsor of the Picky County Airport, having received hundreds of millions of dollars

946
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:21,920
in grants over the last 40 years, they have obligations because of those grant assurances.

947
01:28:22,440 --> 01:28:27,160
And they are liable legally if they don't fulfill those obligations.

948
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:29,020
So it just reaffirms.

949
01:28:29,380 --> 01:28:34,000
Now, if the community doesn't like that, they can vote down on it.

950
01:28:35,140 --> 01:28:35,660
Frankly,

951
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,300
the commissioners had put the ballot on first, we would have only had one up

952
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:45,480
and down vote, I'm sure.

953
01:28:46,460 --> 01:28:53,280
The opposition wanted the commissioners to put one on, and frankly they didn't do it,

954
01:28:53,300 --> 01:28:55,760
they should have, in my view.

955
01:28:55,760 --> 01:29:05,930
So 200 says we want the ability to vote and so you passed 200 and now you still have

956
01:29:05,930 --> 01:29:06,570
another vote.

957
01:29:07,530 --> 01:29:12,090
One C gives a public the opportunity to vote up or down right now.

958
01:29:13,090 --> 01:29:19,870
And just just just as a reminder which may not be all that public they had a calm in

959
01:29:19,870 --> 01:29:20,510
the Aspen Times.

960
01:29:20,510 --> 01:29:26,590
But the Pick and County Democrats, you know, this is voted their board of directors, voted

961
01:29:26,590 --> 01:29:35,110
unanimously to say no to 200 in very strong terms because they don't view it as particularly

962
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:43,030
pro-democracy and there and that there is no alternative plan on the table. It is not

963
01:29:44,630 --> 01:29:50,910
about giving the people the right to decide on the on the airport. It's about slowing this process

964
01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:58,570
us down. It's about saying, I don't believe in representative democracy to arrive at

965
01:29:58,570 --> 01:29:59,590
any...

966
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,740
Good answer to a complex question that a very large group of people spent a tremendous amount of time working on.

967
01:30:11,860 --> 01:30:13,020
Can I ask a question?

968
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:30,260
It's all pretty simple. We all know we need a new terminal. We all know we need a new runway. It's a question of where the runway is. That's what we're talking about. Now, can you shed a little light on?

969
01:30:30,260 --> 01:30:35,600
I mean, Emery says, you know, the FBO contract over 30 years is going to generate a billion

970
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,360
dollars, and we can pay for everything.

971
01:30:40,300 --> 01:30:49,080
And the county is saying, well, we can pay for, if the FBO revenues would pay for the

972
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,320
runway or the terminal, we can't do both.

973
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:58,220
Now personally, I like here we say, but personally, I mean, I like free money, you know, why would

974
01:30:58,220 --> 01:31:01,600
you use all your money when somebody's going to give you money.

975
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:04,180
But just explain to me the difference.

976
01:31:04,460 --> 01:31:07,500
Clearly, you know, bright people on both sides.

977
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:09,540
What is the discrepancy?

978
01:31:10,020 --> 01:31:12,640
You know, Emory's group says, yeah, we can find it all

979
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:14,760
in counties saying we can't.

980
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,100
So, where is the discrepancy there?

981
01:31:19,340 --> 01:31:20,440
Well, I'll start.

982
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:24,980
The discrepancy is that, again, they, I don't,

983
01:31:25,140 --> 01:31:26,380
I have not seen a contract.

984
01:31:26,580 --> 01:31:28,280
They certainly have not seen a contract.

985
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:41,240
But the county has just given Atlantic an extension to work out the contract and see what this vote is going to be because if the vote goes in favor of the opposition,

986
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:47,220
Atlantic is going to reduce the amount that they're going to grant to the county substantially.

987
01:31:50,090 --> 01:32:13,290
So the county staff, their professional staff, their finance committee, their airport aviation consultant group out of Chicago have gone through the numbers, looked at all the alternatives and told the county this is what you're able to do and this is what you're not able to do.

988
01:32:13,290 --> 01:32:20,170
So I don't know those exact numbers, but I know that the county's airport revenue that

989
01:32:20,170 --> 01:32:26,270
they generate could not cover the debt service on a bond for the amount that is needed.

990
01:32:28,870 --> 01:32:36,430
I mean, I defer to the analysis that was done by real professionals who I am not going

991
01:32:36,430 --> 01:32:38,630
to sit here and call corrupted.

992
01:32:40,190 --> 01:32:44,330
I mean, I guess it really comes down to representative government.

993
01:32:44,910 --> 01:32:50,950
I mean, this is a complex issue, and there's been a lot of people who spend a lot of time on it, and

994
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:54,690
the reason why we elect officials is so they can dig into it and

995
01:32:54,690 --> 01:32:59,070
really get the best solutions for the community.

996
01:32:59,910 --> 01:33:06,410
And so I think that it's important that the commissioners have that opportunity to represent the people.

997
01:33:07,450 --> 01:33:17,550
You represent your constituents, your constituents of the Board of County Commissioners, the Democratic

998
01:33:17,550 --> 01:33:24,010
Party, when we talk to the chair, they were not as concerned about the airport, what they

999
01:33:24,010 --> 01:33:26,290
were concerned about is representative government.

1000
01:33:27,370 --> 01:33:34,430
And to start to put a wedge in a home root charter by adding an amendment to sort of work the

1001
01:33:34,430 --> 01:33:39,270
way through legally in terms of trying to get this petition forward, they didn't buy it.

1002
01:33:40,090 --> 01:33:47,990
And I don't buy it either. You either have a representative government elected by the

1003
01:33:47,990 --> 01:33:53,350
people, for the people, or you have a direct democracy where every issue is just throws

1004
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:54,210
out on a boat.

1005
01:33:54,550 --> 01:33:58,170
Did the local Republicans have an opinion on this?

1006
01:33:58,370 --> 01:34:02,910
They are supporting one C as well and opposing 200.

1007
01:34:02,910 --> 01:34:05,010
So they're the same as the Democrats.

1008
01:34:05,410 --> 01:34:08,270
Yeah, it's like the one thing both parties are going on.

1009
01:34:08,270 --> 01:34:08,910
Right, agree on it.

1010
01:34:09,810 --> 01:34:12,970
And no surprise, of course, the Aspen Chamber Resource

1011
01:34:12,970 --> 01:34:17,670
Association representing the business community is supporting

1012
01:34:17,670 --> 01:34:20,390
one C opposing 200.

1013
01:34:22,070 --> 01:34:24,050
Snowmass doesn't really have a chamber.

1014
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:31,070
So I don't know how you can get the business community to provide

1015
01:34:31,070 --> 01:34:36,270
that input, but I'm assuming that the business community is as concerned whether it be the

1016
01:34:36,270 --> 01:34:43,370
lodges, the retail, even the service, because they will all be either positively affected or

1017
01:34:43,370 --> 01:34:48,770
negatively affected? I just want to add on Akra, you know, that people might hear that and be like,

1018
01:34:48,850 --> 01:34:55,750
well, of course, they're supportive. They did extreme due diligence on this. They did not come to this

1019
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:59,970
decision reflexively in any way they did a

1020
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:29,980
Number survey, they went and did door-to-door meetings. And if you look at their release that describes their endorsement, why they're no-on-two. And there's a data set that's attached to it that is all the survey results, including all of the comments made by their businesses. You can see that they did not arrive at the decision reflexively, but it is overwhelming. It's like 80% in favor.

1021
01:35:29,980 --> 01:35:33,220
of moving forward with the approved ALP.

1022
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:38,780
Well, we're going to have a presentation that we're going through our budget.

1023
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:44,780
And some of us village spends about $9 million a year to attract people to this village.

1024
01:35:45,280 --> 01:35:49,560
So we're heavily invested in the tourist-based economy.

1025
01:35:51,660 --> 01:35:58,020
So there's a lot of people out there saying they're concerned about growth.

1026
01:35:58,020 --> 01:36:00,420
and we are as well.

1027
01:36:00,620 --> 01:36:02,880
We want to make sure that some mass villages inviting.

1028
01:36:03,820 --> 01:36:06,660
We have just one more question about growth.

1029
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:12,600
I think when you were mentioning that the growth projections

1030
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:16,660
were not goals, that the growth goal was actually

1031
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,340
like less than 1% is that?

1032
01:36:19,740 --> 01:36:23,520
Yeah, so there was a growth goal

1033
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,780
that came out of the original common ground,

1034
01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:36,940
the citizens product that was then, and that goal was 0.8% per year, and then the FAA basically said

1035
01:36:36,940 --> 01:36:45,540
that is an unrealistic goal based on your past growth rates. So just for your forecasting tool,

1036
01:36:45,980 --> 01:36:52,860
it has to be more realistic and I think it ended up being 1.3. Still on the low end of what they

1037
01:36:52,860 --> 01:36:58,620
considered their acceptable range but but I again I want to emphasize that it's

1038
01:36:58,620 --> 01:37:04,400
not a goal it is it is a forecasting tool so and they just said you know it's

1039
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:08,800
like if you're gonna buy a house for your daughter you say like how big you

1040
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:13,180
think your family is gonna be like like you're gonna have at least one kid we

1041
01:37:13,180 --> 01:37:18,600
hope but probably not ten and like so let's get you a three-bedroom right like

1042
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:26,160
It's just responsible thinking about the future, looking at the past as a kind of a,

1043
01:37:26,640 --> 01:37:31,400
you know, to identify some trends lines for what you might see, but it's not a goal.

1044
01:37:32,180 --> 01:37:39,320
And was there any conversation about how to keep it to that lower percentage?

1045
01:37:39,960 --> 01:37:42,440
Yeah, sorry, thank you, we should have mentioned that.

1046
01:37:42,440 --> 01:38:10,900
So one of the pieces that's in the plan, the common ground proposal, is this idea of flexible gates, which so currently the airport has eight gates, but the new terminal would have eight that could flex down to six so that if a larger passenger plane came in, a gate would effectively shut down, which would sort of help keep that employment number at a lower rate over time.

1047
01:38:10,900 --> 01:38:16,600
And it was, again, you know, in terms of like really, really taking this growth question

1048
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:21,100
and this, you know, sense of overwhelm that people are feeling very seriously, basically

1049
01:38:21,100 --> 01:38:26,600
they said, how many ways can we come at attempting to control growth via the airport?

1050
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:32,560
And there are certain aspects or certain tactics that the FAA just would not allow for, like

1051
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:39,380
the blatant discrimination on aircraft side or proposing a growth rate that they just didn't

1052
01:38:39,380 --> 01:38:40,600
meet their standards.

1053
01:38:41,240 --> 01:38:44,400
So the flexible gates was one that's making it through.

1054
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:49,200
And it's a win for people who are concerned

1055
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:51,320
to grow out about growth, which is everyone.

1056
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,560
There's nobody banging the drum for lots more people.

1057
01:38:54,700 --> 01:38:55,280
There just isn't.

1058
01:38:55,620 --> 01:38:56,360
Well, that's interesting,

1059
01:38:56,420 --> 01:38:59,900
because you hear about the FAA won't let you limit

1060
01:38:59,900 --> 01:39:02,680
the number of flights, right?

1061
01:39:02,980 --> 01:39:05,700
But they will let you limit the gates.

1062
01:39:06,140 --> 01:39:07,360
It appears to, right.

1063
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:11,360
Right, the county has the ability in the terminal to limit the gates.

1064
01:39:11,500 --> 01:39:15,920
And the gates is a misnomer because right now there are no gates, there's just some painted lines.

1065
01:39:16,980 --> 01:39:22,960
The new airport layout plan has real gates just like you would see a DIA.

1066
01:39:23,640 --> 01:39:31,420
So then the county then has the ability to either remove a gate, close it down or expand a gate.

1067
01:39:32,020 --> 01:39:38,900
So that, that, that is an important guard wheel and that's part of the airport layout plan that's in front of the FAA right now.

1068
01:39:41,340 --> 01:39:42,300
Interesting. Thanks.

1069
01:39:43,180 --> 01:39:48,040
Okay. I want to be fair to both parties so we provide the same amount of time.

1070
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:49,900
Just closing comment. Go ahead.

1071
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:57,280
We have got, we support from our elected, from all of our elected officials up and down a valley.

1072
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,980
Every mayor has support of this, except...

1073
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:11,100
So, we ask that you join your other fellow elected officials and pass resolution, supporting

1074
01:40:11,100 --> 01:40:12,420
one, see, thank you.

1075
01:40:13,100 --> 01:40:13,820
Thank you so much.

1076
01:40:13,820 --> 01:40:14,400
Thank you so much.

1077
01:40:14,540 --> 01:40:14,880
Thank you.

1078
01:40:15,020 --> 01:40:15,600
Thank you very much, everyone.

1079
01:40:15,620 --> 01:40:16,480
Can I make one quick comment?

1080
01:40:17,180 --> 01:40:25,520
So, I am so grateful for all these conversations, and we're so blessed to be in a community with so

1081
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:31,400
many individuals that are engaged and engaged in intentional organization and just engaged

1082
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,580
in the thought process and reading everything that's out there and available.

1083
01:40:35,460 --> 01:40:41,660
And I do highly appreciate all the elected officials and their input and all the individuals

1084
01:40:41,660 --> 01:40:46,820
that have put in time to create these informed organizations around this topic.

1085
01:40:47,680 --> 01:40:54,520
What I really look forward to seeing from everyone is the healing process after this ballot

1086
01:40:54,520 --> 01:41:00,900
issue goes one way or the other. So I look forward to seeing how we're all going to come together around that.

1087
01:41:01,700 --> 01:41:06,360
That's a wonderful note to end on. I promise you I'll be part of that.

1088
01:41:07,080 --> 01:41:10,800
Thank you all. All right, thank you. Thank you.

1089
01:41:15,100 --> 01:41:21,500
Okay, so great conversation, good information, appreciate all that.

1090
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:30,400
We do have the Aspen City Council, the Picken County Commissioners, the Mayor of Glenwood,

1091
01:41:30,820 --> 01:41:37,000
Carbondale, and Basalt are all supporting one C.

1092
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:44,880
I would like to see the Snowmass Village Council also support one C.

1093
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:48,380
I don't think we can do that today, though, we're a work session, right?

1094
01:41:49,100 --> 01:41:53,620
You can't vote if there's a direction to vote for resolution to do that.

1095
01:41:54,160 --> 01:42:00,320
What I'm suggesting is we have a resolution drafted for consideration at the next council meeting.

1096
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:00,940
I'm

1097
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:13,740
willing to have a resolution drafted but I would like to take the next week to really think about the statements that were made tonight and hear from others in the community.

1098
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:14,520
Great.

1099
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:16,180
I agree.

1100
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:17,960
Got more to process now.

1101
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:19,000
Okay.

1102
01:42:27,230 --> 01:42:34,730
Please do send us an email and you can find that at TOSV under the government section contact the council.

1103
01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:36,590
Council at TOSV.

1104
01:42:41,820 --> 01:42:45,600
You should have a recording available directly as soon as tomorrow.

1105
01:42:46,180 --> 01:42:48,080
It's about, it's less than 24 hours.

1106
01:42:52,320 --> 01:42:53,360
before next week.

1107
01:42:56,060 --> 01:42:59,120
Monday. Sorry. Week from today. Yes.

1108
01:43:01,380 --> 01:43:05,420
Four. Four o'clock. Yeah. Well, probably before that to get it in the packet, right?

1109
01:43:05,640 --> 01:43:14,320
Well, if you would like your public comment included in the packet, I would need it by Wednesday afternoon at the closed business so that I can include it in the packet on Thursday.

1110
01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:23,760
All right. Thank you all very much. Thank you. All right. Moving on.

1111
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:33,240
And our next topic on the agenda is we're going to have a discussion about our mall transit

1112
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,860
center and some potential improvements there.

1113
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:36,660
Sam, welcome.

1114
01:43:38,060 --> 01:43:38,220
Hi.

1115
01:43:41,220 --> 01:43:42,460
Can you share my screen?

1116
01:43:47,870 --> 01:43:48,090
Right.

1117
01:43:48,770 --> 01:43:49,490
There we go.

1118
01:43:49,950 --> 01:43:50,410
Let's come up.

1119
01:43:51,170 --> 01:43:53,610
Hi, Sam Moreno, Transportation Director.

1120
01:43:53,850 --> 01:43:57,430
We've also got Alex Jock with SEH on the line.

1121
01:43:58,490 --> 01:44:04,670
If you all remember this summer, we came to discuss going to the public with the designs

1122
01:44:04,670 --> 01:44:10,090
that we had so far, some strategies around how we might engage the public to get some

1123
01:44:10,090 --> 01:44:12,770
feedback on what we had during that meeting.

1124
01:44:13,210 --> 01:44:19,290
Mayor Madsen brought up a thought for another design for us to look at.

1125
01:44:20,130 --> 01:44:22,910
Council agreed that it was worth us taking a look at.

1126
01:44:22,910 --> 01:44:29,730
So, we took it back to SEH to make sure that it was something that would be possible for us to work with.

1127
01:44:31,490 --> 01:44:36,210
This design here, as you see, is the existing Lot 6.

1128
01:44:36,710 --> 01:44:39,090
The green buses are village shuttle buses.

1129
01:44:39,890 --> 01:44:47,590
This would allow us to have six village shuttle bus bays with exterior loading.

1130
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:54,330
They would be going in through that lower entrance and out through the upper entrance.

1131
01:44:54,570 --> 01:44:58,610
It would also have two spots for buses to be staged.

1132
01:44:58,850 --> 01:44:59,790
The turning movements work.

1133
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
It is a possibility that we could look into this design. There would be some questions, of course, around pedestrian flow. If it was a direction that we'd like to go. There, you'll see this drawing here has a pedestrian underpass suggested that would go into where the elevators had been shown in previous plans to get people across the street without having to interact with.

1134
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:30,340
vehicles.

1135
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:36,840
So I'll stop there and ask you guys how many questions about this design?

1136
01:45:36,980 --> 01:45:41,740
Just two questions. Yeah, go ahead. And this assumes, you know, leaving RAPTO

1137
01:45:41,740 --> 01:45:45,380
on or doing the incremental improvement. This assumes the incremental

1138
01:45:45,380 --> 01:45:50,560
improvements. And the second question is, what do you do with the 54 cars from

1139
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:55,520
lot six? Well, and I, so I think, and this is a question that we had not yet

1140
01:45:55,520 --> 01:45:59,900
answered on the two level design either, which is, I think, why we wound up

1141
01:45:59,900 --> 01:46:03,220
with coming up with this Lot 6 design.

1142
01:46:03,740 --> 01:46:09,500
If this is the spots in Lot 6 are a challenge that we're

1143
01:46:09,500 --> 01:46:12,240
going to have to meet, whether it means they go away,

1144
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:16,080
or they need to go somewhere else, both the two level design

1145
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:20,620
and the Lot 6 solutions have that same problem.

1146
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,040
So that's what we thought would make sense to bring to the public.

1147
01:46:25,060 --> 01:46:27,080
So what are your, you guys recommendation?

1148
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,200
We had a, I'm sure the public would like to have those.

1149
01:46:30,340 --> 01:46:31,460
Yeah, probably, yeah.

1150
01:46:31,640 --> 01:46:32,740
So I mean, where are the options?

1151
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:42,320
You know, we haven't delved too far into what a design for more parking spaces could look like.

1152
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:46,820
I mean, the obvious first option is to not replace the parking spaces.

1153
01:46:47,340 --> 01:46:50,540
But like you say, public probably wouldn't be super happy with that.

1154
01:46:50,580 --> 01:46:51,680
I think that you've-

1155
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:52,260
We're talking a lot.

1156
01:46:52,260 --> 01:47:05,480
In the drawings that we received from you, Councillor Fritzstein, you had some suggestions for some covered parking in Lot 5, and I think that there was even one that had covered parking in Lot 4 as well.

1157
01:47:06,380 --> 01:47:14,180
So that's a possibility, although it does add structures to the numbered lots, that we've gone with an idea of what it is.

1158
01:47:14,180 --> 01:47:19,360
I don't think I would add to this is this lots is the two strengths, the two level plan are kind of apples to apples.

1159
01:47:19,540 --> 01:47:21,400
They don't, they both lose the same amount of parking.

1160
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:28,060
And so I understand, but I'm just a question of what, yeah, so we're, I mean, that's why, I mean,

1161
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:35,020
our initial recommendation was start, start with the rafta and that when molded in the two level was solved it.

1162
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:39,800
And in order for what we're recommending tonight is, let's take this out, get public feedback and

1163
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,680
That's how much that matters, the loss of the parking.

1164
01:47:43,420 --> 01:47:49,080
And then whether it's just the initial plan, we can get that feedback and see how you all want to proceed.

1165
01:47:49,660 --> 01:47:55,480
But we haven't solved both, all three or two of these three options lose the same amount of parking.

1166
01:47:57,490 --> 01:48:01,790
I mean, I'm really not wild about anything that we're looking at right now.

1167
01:48:02,330 --> 01:48:10,010
My initial reaction was that maybe this could be another solution if we're okay with giving up the parking.

1168
01:48:11,890 --> 01:48:14,110
But the more I looked at it, I'm just like,

1169
01:48:14,510 --> 01:48:18,150
just the pedestrian access is not great.

1170
01:48:20,150 --> 01:48:23,850
At us was really to try to answer some goals, right?

1171
01:48:24,730 --> 01:48:26,710
Reduce the duration of construction.

1172
01:48:29,550 --> 01:48:31,710
Reduce the impact for sure.

1173
01:48:32,970 --> 01:48:37,370
How do we put all the pedestrians and the buses in one place,

1174
01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:50,450
so that getting on public transit is easy and how do we build it so that, you know, it's a pedestrian first type of infrastructure.

1175
01:48:51,250 --> 01:49:02,410
And some of the thoughts looking at these different designs was, I mean, should we be prior to be station there, or should that be,

1176
01:49:02,410 --> 01:49:22,510
Even we have about equal number of transit uses on each, right, 640, 640, 640, 640, that's off the cuff, but in the vicinity, I mean the, the village shuttles can operate in a much smaller space than the raft of buses.

1177
01:49:22,910 --> 01:49:23,890
if we were going to turn...

1178
01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:12,820
Buses around. Maybe it's better to focus on turning the shuttles around, and have the raft of buses go through lot six.

1179
01:50:16,860 --> 01:50:25,840
The attorney radius is just looking at it. I think it would be a real challenge for the raft of buses. I don't know that specifically, but it doesn't look like it's going to work.

1180
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:36,460
So, you know, and I kind of thought the same thing, but in the design, for the two-level design, we have the road going down and around and through the bottom a lot, six.

1181
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:51,100
So, is that a better use of space if we have, you know, public transit, raft to getting picked up, lower, you know, maybe.

1182
01:50:52,200 --> 01:51:06,500
And I'm just kind of throwing it out there to think about because I just want to make sure if we're going to go about this, we can do it in a way that is really,

1183
01:51:09,020 --> 01:51:13,340
it kind of tackles all those goals that we wanted to achieve.

1184
01:51:13,340 --> 01:51:25,900
And I think we kind of got there with the original plan, but we're, you know, we got clear message from the planning commission that it was too big of a piece of infrastructure.

1185
01:51:28,840 --> 01:51:38,880
So I don't know. I don't feel like we're there yet, but I think there's something there's something that we can do.

1186
01:51:41,170 --> 01:51:44,490
And I think that's kind of where we're saying, let's start with input.

1187
01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:49,490
I mean, because I don't know, and I mean, if that idea, the raft idea comes out in

1188
01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:51,470
lot of six, then let's hear that.

1189
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:55,370
I mean, I don't want to speak too much for staff on, I will.

1190
01:51:55,450 --> 01:51:58,650
I guess they will take the pleasure of doing that for things like, something.

1191
01:51:59,250 --> 01:52:03,690
That's why that incremental step is something, and then the, in my mind,

1192
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:07,910
the question is, and then in light of what's next after that is not known yet.

1193
01:52:07,910 --> 01:52:16,370
I think we all agree something, but is it in light of the next step in the two levels, the solution or the lot six solution or some solution we haven't heard from yet?

1194
01:52:16,810 --> 01:52:21,390
But we want to make sure whatever gets designed for that first step accommodates suggestions.

1195
01:52:21,490 --> 01:52:32,570
I would suggest before we went to the public that we would really think all these through and have an answer like to the 54 cars of lot six and things like that.

1196
01:52:32,570 --> 01:52:44,250
That's number one, number two, because if you go with, you know, incomplete information, you're not going to get clear answers and things are going to spin around.

1197
01:52:47,070 --> 01:53:02,550
We're going to have some different makeup of Council in three weeks and I would, this is sort of our aspirin airport issue, and I would just suggest that we, it's good to see all this, but I, I was just, we don't take any action until we know what we're doing.

1198
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:07,790
know what the new council is and there may be some new opinions and I just don't think

1199
01:53:07,790 --> 01:53:12,830
we should jump into something now because we're going to have a new council that's going

1200
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:17,090
to be in place for two years that will have to deal with whatever this is.

1201
01:53:20,890 --> 01:53:26,770
I'm concerned about going too deep into another study even though without a study we really

1202
01:53:26,770 --> 01:53:31,250
don't have the information we need to address what you're suggesting the user experience

1203
01:53:31,250 --> 01:53:34,510
and the opportunities to try various options.

1204
01:53:37,090 --> 01:53:45,290
But I wonder too, if it isn't worth sharing just these very preliminary concepts with

1205
01:53:45,290 --> 01:53:50,450
perhaps planning commission in the interim as opposed to getting another study going.

1206
01:53:51,690 --> 01:53:55,390
And just see what they might think, because we've got some good minds in the room and they've

1207
01:53:55,390 --> 01:53:57,930
looked at many transit options for many years.

1208
01:53:57,930 --> 01:54:09,350
So perhaps without spending money on another study, they could kind of look at this and because it's a new idea and it's worth married and it's worth exploring.

1209
01:54:10,230 --> 01:54:14,170
And while we're looking at potentially a new makeup of council.

1210
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:23,320
I would say planning commission and the public. I mean, I don't know what else we need to be able to.

1211
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:27,260
that what other information we need right now

1212
01:54:27,260 --> 01:54:29,040
to get public feedback, honestly.

1213
01:54:29,340 --> 01:54:33,840
I mean, because I think they're, I don't know,

1214
01:54:34,040 --> 01:54:39,040
but probably gonna look at it in a more big picture scenario.

1215
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:44,320
And so they're gonna weigh the things that we already know.

1216
01:54:44,700 --> 01:54:50,220
Like it's gonna, you know, a plan will shut down the road

1217
01:54:50,220 --> 01:54:52,660
for a period of time we kinda know how long

1218
01:54:52,660 --> 01:54:59,800
That's gonna be we know we know a lot of stuff because we've gone through this and these are just some some

1219
01:55:02,720 --> 01:55:29,980
I would just add to that, because if I was the public, the first thing I'm going to ask is, where's lot six? And I think we have to have an answer. We need to, what's the first thing you're going to ask? Where's lot six? What happened where I parked my car? So we need to have an answer to that, or we may have some options or something. But we just can't go and say, oh, we haven't thought about it. You know, I think we have one more question.

1220
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:32,620
Today there is no federal money to build a parking lot.

1221
01:55:32,820 --> 01:55:33,120
What's it?

1222
01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:40,360
There's not federal money, so it would be, we're going to put that money towards it to, I just don't see how we can.

1223
01:55:40,860 --> 01:55:42,920
Can you park where the village shuttles are now?

1224
01:55:43,500 --> 01:55:43,840
You could.

1225
01:55:44,260 --> 01:55:49,760
I mean, I think, I mean, you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, the shuttle out to the lot six is to provide for

1226
01:55:49,760 --> 01:55:54,580
the redevelopment of the mall, so yes, she could, but I don't think that's going to achieve that goal.

1227
01:55:54,580 --> 01:55:58,340
But can I ask a question, Susan, just a thought?

1228
01:55:58,900 --> 01:56:03,000
So public outreach versus things, I kind of see those as different.

1229
01:56:03,220 --> 01:56:07,860
I mean, I agree we need both for sure, but perhaps business and stakeholder meeting could

1230
01:56:07,860 --> 01:56:08,740
happen first.

1231
01:56:08,980 --> 01:56:09,100
Yeah.

1232
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:13,420
Because that's a little more big picture and maybe they've thought through some of the public

1233
01:56:13,420 --> 01:56:16,680
without the answers to a lot of imperative questions.

1234
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:23,500
Well, and really those were the, I feel like the voices that we heard about the previous

1235
01:56:23,500 --> 01:56:27,480
this transit center plan were planning commission

1236
01:56:27,480 --> 01:56:28,340
and the businesses.

1237
01:56:28,760 --> 01:56:29,960
So I think that's logical.

1238
01:56:30,200 --> 01:56:31,540
But a lot of the businesses we didn't hear

1239
01:56:31,540 --> 01:56:33,940
from until the 11th hour, which was not so.

1240
01:56:34,140 --> 01:56:36,100
Which is why, you know, getting that buy in now

1241
01:56:36,100 --> 01:56:38,220
or at least opening that conversation now,

1242
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:41,320
I think this is a great way to start.

1243
01:56:42,400 --> 01:56:45,440
I think what def differentiates lot six

1244
01:56:45,440 --> 01:56:48,420
from the rest of the lots is the fact

1245
01:56:48,420 --> 01:56:51,440
that people can easily park in those lots

1246
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:57,820
and then go into grab something at a restaurant or at a store and so you lose

1247
01:56:57,820 --> 01:57:04,700
that sort of timed parking which okay you could put it down a daily for a very

1248
01:57:04,700 --> 01:57:10,760
short amount of time possibly till it gets redeveloped but that's and then if

1249
01:57:10,760 --> 01:57:15,560
you turn the other lots into the time parking then you create just pedestrians

1250
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:21,240
coming further up more frequently so I don't know that it's like solving a lot

1251
01:57:21,240 --> 01:57:38,780
of the problems. And I do think that it is going to be a question, and I know that we might not have a perfect answer, but I think we have to at least have some options of what we would do to replace that parking because that is that is so well utilized.

1252
01:57:39,340 --> 01:57:45,260
I would really recommend that we have some options for that for discussion at this group.

1253
01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:52,380
Before we go to the public and we do it in one of the first meetings when we have whatever

1254
01:57:52,380 --> 01:57:59,560
the new makeup of the council is because some of us aren't going to be here and some new

1255
01:57:59,560 --> 01:58:03,020
people be here and they're going to be there for two years and they're going to be dealing

1256
01:58:03,020 --> 01:58:07,920
with it and I don't think it's something because if we're three months out I wouldn't be

1257
01:58:07,920 --> 01:58:10,260
He's saying this, but we're three weeks away from the election.

1258
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:15,400
So I think we should just make that an agenda for an early meeting.

1259
01:58:16,600 --> 01:58:23,420
Yeah, I mean, I think we should really try to think out of the box on this and try to figure out,

1260
01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:27,060
you know, how do we, how do we meet all those goals?

1261
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:32,560
You know, I realize there's no money for parking lots, but, you know,

1262
01:58:32,700 --> 01:58:37,300
Thomas one time said, well, why don't we just, you know, do tear parking?

1263
01:58:37,300 --> 01:58:46,640
So what if the tiered, what if people could park underneath in Lot 6 and there's a platform there and maybe it's J.

1264
01:58:46,820 --> 01:58:52,240
Shoemaker's idea that he presented for the mall, but maybe that shifts out to the to Lot 6.

1265
01:58:52,660 --> 01:59:00,880
I mean, I don't have the answers, but I'm kind of seeing that we don't have the answer yet.

1266
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:01,600
What does it mean to do on?

1267
01:59:02,620 --> 01:59:08,580
And so, I was going to put it back on you, Sam's, they like, what can be done here?

1268
01:59:10,520 --> 01:59:15,520
Our answer remains do the raft to start there, see what it looks like.

1269
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:18,920
And then the question for you guys is what's next?

1270
01:59:19,300 --> 01:59:23,280
And if the answer is, this group's not going to decide what's next, it holds your horse here.

1271
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:30,160
I'm just saying for three weeks, the horses were, but I hope what I said was there's no federal

1272
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:37,920
money for parking lots because if the council said protecting those 70 spaces was a priority, there's money.

1273
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
We just rearranged the capital plan. I mean, there, we could, you guys just have to say, that's the priority. And when this plan was discussed, we said you're going to lose 60 space. I'm keeping 16, 16, I don't know the number is. I thought it was 54, but 54. Sorry, I keep running. But I'm, I think we know how people park. I mean, I just, I'd be hesitant to just go ahead with the raft and incremental without even thinking about the next steps, because to me,

1274
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:37,020
that's not a plan. The amount might be part of a plan, but I think we need to think the whole thing through

1275
02:00:37,020 --> 02:00:45,540
and know what we're doing. But the next council, I may not be here, next council, I have different views.

1276
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:51,580
And if the next council, I mean, wants to be super supportive of redevelopment of the mall, that might make one decision.

1277
02:00:51,580 --> 02:00:57,600
If the next council does not want to be, they may make a different decision. So I'm tracking with you, but if there's

1278
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,140
are the three options we just wanted to start talking about.

1279
02:01:00,140 --> 02:01:02,240
Why don't you just flip through them so you got them up there.

1280
02:01:05,560 --> 02:01:07,480
So this is the, you've seen the other ones before.

1281
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:09,280
Yeah, let's just remind us.

1282
02:01:09,580 --> 02:01:09,700
Of course.

1283
02:01:10,160 --> 02:01:14,240
Um, I just don't be surprised if you don't see anything new and exciting here.

1284
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:16,080
Not that it's not exciting.

1285
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:16,900
Everybody loves transit.

1286
02:01:17,040 --> 02:01:17,640
I was told that.

1287
02:01:17,980 --> 02:01:18,740
Right here.

1288
02:01:20,340 --> 02:01:25,640
We're after, uh, this is the raft of depot, incremental improvement plan with the five raft

1289
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:26,040
of buses.

1290
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:27,140
Three along the.

1291
02:01:28,240 --> 02:01:28,820
Go ahead.

1292
02:01:28,820 --> 02:01:33,420
Let me just ask you, as raft has seen this and said, yeah, we can do that.

1293
02:01:33,600 --> 02:01:34,600
They have seen it.

1294
02:01:34,600 --> 02:01:36,340
Those phones are so tight.

1295
02:01:36,660 --> 02:01:38,420
They have seen it, said, yeah, we can do it.

1296
02:01:38,660 --> 02:01:41,040
They've said, give us as much space as you possibly can.

1297
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:41,520
Okay.

1298
02:01:42,480 --> 02:01:45,060
So, you see a lot of bento buses, but, you know.

1299
02:01:46,540 --> 02:01:51,660
And that, I'll move on to the next one, but I do think that one of the things that would

1300
02:01:51,660 --> 02:01:58,080
be really good for me to start doing now would be to have some more shows, some of these drawings

1301
02:01:58,080 --> 02:02:01,160
to some people like Raffa and at least get moving on.

1302
02:02:01,300 --> 02:02:03,200
Absolutely, at least get their feedback.

1303
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,500
If they say, well, that doesn't work for us,

1304
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:08,320
there's no point in our wasting our time with it.

1305
02:02:08,340 --> 02:02:10,140
Because I hear the three weeks.

1306
02:02:10,200 --> 02:02:10,680
It makes sense.

1307
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:13,600
I do want to keep it moving in that direction

1308
02:02:13,600 --> 02:02:17,620
because the faster we can get something moving forward,

1309
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:20,260
the better chance we have of keeping some money.

1310
02:02:20,620 --> 02:02:21,460
I totally agree.

1311
02:02:21,860 --> 02:02:22,520
I totally agree.

1312
02:02:23,460 --> 02:02:26,120
But if those tolerances are really tight

1313
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:31,580
and raft and needs more space and we could run the road through the bottom a lot

1314
02:02:31,580 --> 02:02:37,160
six and open that up for Rafta. You know, maybe that's helped.

1315
02:02:37,300 --> 02:02:41,360
Now you're talking about big money, right, to move the road, move carriageway.

1316
02:02:41,700 --> 02:02:47,280
Yeah, that doesn't, yeah, I'm concerned that that's not quite as incremental as this would be.

1317
02:02:48,340 --> 02:02:56,100
Well, that's, I mean, I don't disagree with you, but I, but the thought is how do we

1318
02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:08,960
How can we make that a pedestrian area, and if the road is shown there doesn't go right by the front of the mall, we can take the pedestrians out of it, I think that would be really helpful.

1319
02:03:09,500 --> 02:03:17,200
I mean, we know that we're going to have the most, we already have the most pedestrian vehicle interactions right on that corner of Lot 6.

1320
02:03:17,200 --> 02:03:18,020
the

1321
02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:33,080
scheme that sells most of the problems is the two-level scheme it really

1322
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:38,620
resolves a lot it's except for the parking no well we know you can you can you

1323
02:03:38,620 --> 02:03:46,080
can you can double deck lot five and and you're right there you know and you

1324
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:54,440
done can I ask you a question Sam chair and the the raft of transit slide you

1325
02:03:54,440 --> 02:03:58,060
have before, where it says, you know,

1326
02:03:58,200 --> 02:04:01,180
Bay four, if it's in use, Bay three will not be able to leave,

1327
02:04:01,560 --> 02:04:02,800
Bay four are compliant to Bay one.

1328
02:04:03,420 --> 02:04:06,980
Is that like, is that a fact or is that like someone's

1329
02:04:06,980 --> 02:04:09,400
going to have to know which goes first?

1330
02:04:10,200 --> 02:04:13,220
It's similar to how it is now where if you have that,

1331
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:15,460
those first two buses are the only ones that can move

1332
02:04:15,460 --> 02:04:18,420
and until they move, none of the buses behind are going

1333
02:04:18,420 --> 02:04:19,000
to go anywhere.

1334
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:23,660
So it would require a busier times if you actually had

1335
02:04:23,660 --> 02:04:30,000
buses in all five of those positions, a road supervisor to be there to help direct buses

1336
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:30,740
into bays.

1337
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:35,540
But again, it's essentially the same situation as they have now when all of those bays

1338
02:04:35,540 --> 02:04:35,900
are full.

1339
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:39,320
Buses need other buses to move before they can get out.

1340
02:04:39,620 --> 02:04:42,940
They do, but I think my concern still remains.

1341
02:04:43,160 --> 02:04:51,640
It's like sometimes you have people getting on bus 4 and bus 3 or 2 is trying to leave and

1342
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:55,820
And those people are crossing diagonally, I mean, I've seen it happen.

1343
02:04:56,300 --> 02:04:59,980
And I know you say some people say, well, oh, bus 4 is usually just the down, that-

1344
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,940
Alley bus. But there are times when it's not just the down valley bus. There are also times that I have seen Rafta pull up where that bus is like drawn in like at this really weird angle and let people off in the middle of the road. I think what would be great for me on this plan is to bring it to Rafta operations and say how would you use these five spaces if you had them and get that feedback from them because we don't have that feedback at this point. We know that they've said, yeah,

1345
02:05:29,940 --> 02:05:35,340
We could we could do this this we could work with this but I don't know is for always going to be a loading spot

1346
02:05:35,340 --> 02:05:40,440
Is it only going to be an unloading and go is it I don't know the answers to those questions Sam?

1347
02:05:40,620 --> 02:05:43,980
Why don't you take them all the schemes we have for the red to

1348
02:05:44,780 --> 02:05:50,340
To them it is double double double then you won this one right and get their feedback

1349
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:53,840
That's that is the next step that I'd like to go now

1350
02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:57,240
Yes, we hadn't done that yet. That was part of our public outreach process

1351
02:05:57,240 --> 02:05:59,160
but I'm saying if we're going to wait for the rest of the public

1352
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:01,040
I would like to go to that.

1353
02:06:01,160 --> 02:06:03,380
It's a technical response.

1354
02:06:03,800 --> 02:06:06,820
Give them dimensions and have them say yes or no.

1355
02:06:07,380 --> 02:06:08,080
There are buses.

1356
02:06:09,360 --> 02:06:10,440
And again, I mean how,

1357
02:06:11,540 --> 02:06:15,240
Alyssa or council member Shank has some very pointed questions

1358
02:06:15,240 --> 02:06:16,920
about how they would use these areas.

1359
02:06:17,140 --> 02:06:18,480
And I think that would be a fair question.

1360
02:06:18,660 --> 02:06:21,200
Well, I mean, there are times when it's busy

1361
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:23,200
and there's a raft of supervisor there.

1362
02:06:23,660 --> 02:06:25,380
And there are times when there isn't.

1363
02:06:25,380 --> 02:06:27,780
And a lot of these drivers are new.

1364
02:06:29,700 --> 02:06:32,280
And it can just get really messy.

1365
02:06:32,860 --> 02:06:37,580
So I think one of the reasons why are the old plan,

1366
02:06:37,740 --> 02:06:42,400
I mean, obviously the actual design of it

1367
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:46,100
in the amount of service space it took up was one thing.

1368
02:06:46,420 --> 02:06:49,000
But I think safety in J sitting back there,

1369
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:50,440
and he commented a million times

1370
02:06:50,440 --> 02:06:52,160
you're having people cross in front of buses.

1371
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:58,960
This plan still has people crossing in front of buses, which is what I know it's an incremental plan, but that is one of the

1372
02:06:59,960 --> 02:07:05,120
top priorities that we wanted to make was the safety of the pedestrians and the buses.

1373
02:07:06,020 --> 02:07:10,120
So I think we just really need to make sure that Raffta feels comfortable

1374
02:07:10,760 --> 02:07:16,720
with or without a supervisor there that this can be executed in a way that's not going to put anyone in arms way.

1375
02:07:18,180 --> 02:07:18,660
Okay,

1376
02:07:24,070 --> 02:07:24,730
always is

1377
02:07:31,850 --> 02:07:37,750
That's what we got our direction. Yeah, I think we got our direction. Okay, unless there's any other questions or anything else you guys, but we'll keep

1378
02:07:37,750 --> 02:07:46,230
Inch and something for we'll feel free to show some of these things. There'll be nothing formal for feedback. And we'll wait for you guys to tell us when you want to schedule.

1379
02:07:47,390 --> 02:07:47,950
Sounds good.

1380
02:07:48,170 --> 02:07:49,810
And we're not yet scheduling any public.

1381
02:07:50,290 --> 02:07:55,710
I mean, we'll, again, we might do something informally, but it's not going to be a formal

1382
02:07:55,710 --> 02:07:56,070
anything.

1383
02:07:56,310 --> 02:07:57,930
Well, what do you mean?

1384
02:07:58,050 --> 02:07:58,350
I want to do that.

1385
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:59,570
Well, I'll go.

1386
02:07:59,630 --> 02:08:00,730
I'm sure we'll talk to Rafton.

1387
02:08:01,050 --> 02:08:02,090
We'll talk to Rafton.

1388
02:08:02,210 --> 02:08:03,310
We want to talk to Rafton.

1389
02:08:03,530 --> 02:08:03,830
I think.

1390
02:08:03,970 --> 02:08:08,710
Well, I would assume, I mean, this is in a public meeting, so we will get contacted by people

1391
02:08:08,710 --> 02:08:09,290
to see this.

1392
02:08:09,630 --> 02:08:17,110
But we're not going to have a, hey, be here at 330 or here's a formal survey, but I'm confident

1393
02:08:17,110 --> 02:08:18,030
we will be contacted.

1394
02:08:18,370 --> 02:08:19,130
Let me see these, please.

1395
02:08:19,130 --> 02:08:23,950
There's a number of people that are like warned all the time and specifically asking everything.

1396
02:08:24,210 --> 02:08:33,990
Yeah, and I think that, I mean, I just, I'm excited to have an open house and kind of a meeting form out of stakeholders because those one-on-ones, that's where information gets confused and you know,

1397
02:08:34,030 --> 02:08:41,790
ideas aren't tossed around and sometimes mistakes get made when we misunderstand each other.

1398
02:08:42,390 --> 02:08:43,770
Yeah, well we're all in the same room, it's better.

1399
02:08:43,770 --> 02:08:47,710
We will stand by for you all to tell us when you want this re-engaged

1400
02:08:48,690 --> 02:08:49,250
Okay

1401
02:08:50,750 --> 02:08:58,010
Thanks. Hey Sam. All right moving on. We're going to take a look at the 2025 budget and

1402
02:08:58,910 --> 02:09:00,790
We're going to look at the tourism

1403
02:09:02,310 --> 02:09:07,370
EAB request the GID Sam. Don't knock that box over

1404
02:09:11,730 --> 02:09:13,110
That's everything there

1405
02:09:14,010 --> 02:09:18,530
Help me again. For some reason I cannot stay on.

1406
02:09:19,570 --> 02:09:21,090
I bumped up.

1407
02:09:28,860 --> 02:09:35,400
Yeah, this is a new version of Granicus is not great.

1408
02:09:36,060 --> 02:09:39,960
I hate that the screen is smaller like you can't even get a full screen on it.

1409
02:09:40,040 --> 02:09:41,780
I thought he was going to start us off.

1410
02:09:43,700 --> 02:09:45,900
I'm just going crazy. I just go on the website.

1411
02:09:46,340 --> 02:09:47,060
Is that what you're doing?

1412
02:09:47,120 --> 02:09:47,820
Yeah. Thank you again.

1413
02:09:48,020 --> 02:09:49,960
It just, I just find it a much easier flow.

1414
02:09:51,160 --> 02:09:53,060
And then I just take my notes and open them.

1415
02:09:53,360 --> 02:09:54,980
Yeah, I couldn't make some crazy.

1416
02:09:56,040 --> 02:09:56,660
Give it up.

1417
02:09:56,700 --> 02:09:57,880
So you just...

1418
02:09:57,880 --> 02:09:59,840
I take my notes and like a word.

1419
02:10:01,070 --> 02:10:02,750
Yes, you're having to go. Yeah.

1420
02:10:07,930 --> 02:10:09,110
So Julie, take your time.

1421
02:10:11,250 --> 02:10:35,470
No, I was totally funny. I just told it you were going to stare at yourself. Sorry. I apologize. I'm so sorry. So this our second in series, it's free budget presentations. Tourism department makes two verbal presentations to you in a year or two written presentations. We always kind of roll this budget presentation.

1422
02:10:35,470 --> 02:10:37,850
presentation and one of their presentations to you all.

1423
02:10:38,510 --> 02:10:44,110
So with that, I know this is Julia's first budget presentation to.

1424
02:10:44,590 --> 02:10:46,810
She's ready to go and I'll shut up.

1425
02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:47,850
Ta-da.

1426
02:10:48,230 --> 02:10:48,910
Okay, now it's me.

1427
02:10:49,950 --> 02:10:50,790
Okay, good evening.

1428
02:10:51,930 --> 02:10:55,210
I think you all know what we do, but just for the people who don't,

1429
02:10:55,570 --> 02:11:00,210
Sonoma's tourism positions Sonoma's college as the world class resort that it is.

1430
02:11:00,730 --> 02:11:05,230
We also just got last year, as you know, number one resort in the U.S. in Canada.

1431
02:11:05,410 --> 02:11:08,510
So we've gotten some great accolades making our job easier, but we work hard.

1432
02:11:09,130 --> 02:11:14,590
We do that by leveraging creative marketing strategies, hosting special events and coordinating

1433
02:11:14,590 --> 02:11:18,450
group sales efforts which are really important to our tourism economy, filling in those

1434
02:11:18,450 --> 02:11:19,070
need periods.

1435
02:11:19,810 --> 02:11:24,470
We work to attract visitors to resort and give them memorable experiences to keep them coming

1436
02:11:24,470 --> 02:11:25,990
back through our guest services.

1437
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:31,250
And ultimately, our goal is that we are bolstering and supporting the local economy through our efforts.

1438
02:11:33,050 --> 02:11:34,550
I'll do the numbers very quickly.

1439
02:11:34,750 --> 02:11:36,390
Some of you may have seen these recently.

1440
02:11:37,090 --> 02:11:40,330
Looking at how we have fared through May through October.

1441
02:11:40,530 --> 02:11:45,350
So what we call summer season, our paid occupancy is at 39.4%.

1442
02:11:45,350 --> 02:11:48,970
I just ask you, what is the database?

1443
02:11:49,250 --> 02:11:53,830
Is this lodging, does it include short term rentals, does it include condos?

1444
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:59,490
I mean, what this is lodging, which would include condos, and it's anybody who participates in our

1445
02:12:00,650 --> 02:12:05,890
destimetrics, that measure occupancy ADR, which is the average daily eight in RevFAR,

1446
02:12:05,930 --> 02:12:07,370
so it's anybody who participates.

1447
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:08,970
So, probably not short-term rental.

1448
02:12:09,390 --> 02:12:10,930
People do it with online services.

1449
02:12:11,130 --> 02:12:11,910
It's a good question.

1450
02:12:12,030 --> 02:12:13,830
99% sure STR is not in that.

1451
02:12:13,850 --> 02:12:14,630
Yeah, I don't think so.

1452
02:12:14,630 --> 02:12:16,650
I'm 99% sure there's no STRs.

1453
02:12:17,650 --> 02:12:17,830
Okay.

1454
02:12:18,390 --> 02:12:18,550
Yeah.

1455
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:26,630
Are there other major developments that are not included in death

1456
02:12:26,630 --> 02:12:27,050
metrics?

1457
02:12:27,790 --> 02:12:34,270
I mean, there are other agencies like ARDNA that would measure specifically short-term

1458
02:12:34,270 --> 02:12:37,970
rentals, which is a program that we could look at if we felt like that data was really

1459
02:12:37,970 --> 02:12:45,010
valuable to us, but death metrics who we pull from right now will measure any hotel or condo

1460
02:12:45,010 --> 02:12:48,210
that's participating, which should be most of them, but I don't actually know that answer

1461
02:12:48,210 --> 02:12:53,930
So we should have most of the hotel and condo properties, but not the short-term renewals.

1462
02:12:55,610 --> 02:13:00,210
So looking at this, you can see we're just a couple percent up on, you know, not huge

1463
02:13:00,210 --> 02:13:05,950
numbers there for summer, ADR, average daily rate, whether visitor pays for a hotel is pretty

1464
02:13:05,950 --> 02:13:10,870
flat, and the revenue per available room, the total revenue is up a couple points.

1465
02:13:11,250 --> 02:13:17,070
This is as of the latest report, jumping with any questions as I go, by the way.

1466
02:13:17,070 --> 02:13:21,310
This graph that I look at every month shows us how we're

1467
02:13:21,310 --> 02:13:22,110
fearing per month.

1468
02:13:22,250 --> 02:13:24,390
Then you can see here where the growth opportunities are.

1469
02:13:24,650 --> 02:13:26,970
June and September and October are pretty low.

1470
02:13:27,570 --> 02:13:30,050
July and August are looking pretty strong, which is

1471
02:13:30,050 --> 02:13:31,370
typical of our summer pattern.

1472
02:13:32,030 --> 02:13:33,910
And so when we look at this, we look at what strategic

1473
02:13:33,910 --> 02:13:36,870
initiatives we can do to help fill in those more need

1474
02:13:36,870 --> 02:13:37,290
periods.

1475
02:13:37,490 --> 02:13:39,110
And that's where I mentioned things like group sales

1476
02:13:39,110 --> 02:13:42,530
and special events that complement and try to bolster

1477
02:13:42,530 --> 02:13:44,410
these occupancy rates.

1478
02:13:46,270 --> 02:13:51,930
In terms of winter, this is how we are pacing as of the latest report, which is August 31st,

1479
02:13:52,070 --> 02:13:55,970
so it's certainly not how we're going to finish, but looking at November through April.

1480
02:13:56,470 --> 02:14:00,290
We are pacing a couple points ahead in our year-over-year occupancy.

1481
02:14:00,910 --> 02:14:06,970
Our average daily rate looks pretty strong at 4% ahead, and total revenue is 6.2% ahead.

1482
02:14:07,530 --> 02:14:10,190
Again, we look at these every month, so this is just how we're pacing.

1483
02:14:10,190 --> 02:14:16,750
You can see there what a visitor at this point is paying for a room per night, we're at 743.

1484
02:14:18,850 --> 02:14:23,330
Is it a 2% variance because it's like it's a 0.6% variance.

1485
02:14:23,990 --> 02:14:33,010
0.6 is the total revenue and the 4% is the variance in what the rate is, the 714 to 743.

1486
02:14:33,010 --> 02:14:38,570
At the top right, no 2.1% is that something's not right, right?

1487
02:14:39,730 --> 02:14:44,110
29.6% projected over 29.0.

1488
02:14:46,090 --> 02:14:55,730
That's, yeah, we're just, yeah, we're about 0.6 is 2.1% over, yeah, yeah, yeah, not

1489
02:14:55,730 --> 02:14:57,970
huge numbers there, but we are pacing ahead, which is good.

1490
02:14:58,850 --> 02:14:59,830
And again looking

1491
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:27,100
At it per month, you can see December is not super strong month for us, which is typical in resort communities because people wait till the holidays to come. January, February, look pretty strong. And you can see that we are pacing ahead of last year. But you can also see we have quite a ways to go to reach kind of our average occupancy. The gray line is the historical occupancy we've seen. And the one on the right is where we usually land, which is about 56% for the winter season.

1492
02:15:28,160 --> 02:15:31,980
And are you still seeing people waiting longer and longer to book?

1493
02:15:32,440 --> 02:15:37,760
We are, we're doing some things to incentivize bookings so we just did a flash sale in collaboration

1494
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:43,040
with the Aspen Skin Company in Acra and Snowmass was the clear winner in that so we're

1495
02:15:43,040 --> 02:15:49,260
incentivizing people to book in September and out of, I think it was 28 bookings we got

1496
02:15:49,260 --> 02:15:53,800
26 of them went to Snowmass and the reason for that is because we incentivize people to

1497
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:58,740
book for longer stays and snowmass wins that formula for visitors because we have more

1498
02:15:58,740 --> 02:16:00,740
condo properties and more ski and ski out.

1499
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:05,740
So we're working on people booking earlier, particularly was very strong for international

1500
02:16:05,740 --> 02:16:06,380
market.

1501
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:09,400
The strongest market for that flash sale was actually Argentina.

1502
02:16:10,240 --> 02:16:14,780
That was partially based on the way it was promoted by ski company to their international

1503
02:16:14,780 --> 02:16:20,840
tour operators, but we are working to get earlier bookings and I would hope at the next report

1504
02:16:20,840 --> 02:16:26,300
we'd see, you know, some of these numbers fill in earlier than, you know, the last minute

1505
02:16:26,300 --> 02:16:32,640
bookings, and certainly international visitors tend to book earlier than a domestic visitor who

1506
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:37,620
might come up for a shorter stay from a closer destination, but trying to close in that booking

1507
02:16:37,620 --> 02:16:40,500
pattern by some of the strategic initiatives we're doing.

1508
02:16:43,570 --> 02:16:46,250
In terms of our budget, this is, I believe

1509
02:16:46,250 --> 02:17:07,490
If you have these numbers in front of you, our total projected revenue is the $14,907,000 and our projected budget for tourism is $9.4 million, which leaves the $5.4 million for the housing fund.

1510
02:17:07,490 --> 02:17:15,730
But as you've probably heard for 2025, the housing fund is actually looking at $7.1 million allocation,

1511
02:17:16,350 --> 02:17:22,690
which would be the $5.4 million you see there when you minus the tourism expenses from

1512
02:17:22,690 --> 02:17:29,150
the total revenue, and then the $1.7 from reserve funds to total the $7.1 going to housing.

1513
02:17:29,150 --> 02:17:39,390
Of that 7.1, 3.35 million is allocated for future housing opportunities, 3 million for

1514
02:17:39,390 --> 02:17:44,610
debt service for the draw site, and 750,000 for debt service for the snowmass center.

1515
02:17:46,400 --> 02:17:51,770
You'll see at the bottom of this budget summary, we've got very healthy reserves, 30 percent

1516
02:17:51,770 --> 02:17:56,550
which equals 4.4 million is put away for emergency funds.

1517
02:17:56,550 --> 02:18:04,910
The funds that are restricted for tourism prior to the 2023 vote is at 7.5 million, which

1518
02:18:04,910 --> 02:18:08,510
is a very healthy reserve for our organization.

1519
02:18:09,250 --> 02:18:14,990
And then the housing fund, or the funds available, are being spent down to get to that 7.1 million

1520
02:18:14,990 --> 02:18:16,230
for housing allocation.

1521
02:18:16,610 --> 02:18:17,830
Do you need to pause for a second?

1522
02:18:18,010 --> 02:18:21,310
What's that other, what, 3 million in housing, Clint?

1523
02:18:22,330 --> 02:18:32,250
I mean, I understand that the reserve for the draw site and for buying the center site, but there was not a 3 million for housing, CIP.

1524
02:18:32,710 --> 02:18:41,790
So in the tourism fund, the way I think about it is, I can't see that fund, sorry, but there's 15 million coming in.

1525
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:46,130
The first 9.5 goes towards tourism, everything else is set aside for housing.

1526
02:18:46,130 --> 02:18:52,910
And so we've got three million for draw, 754, the land behind the center.

1527
02:18:53,070 --> 02:18:57,730
What's left over is the capital for any kind of future housing project.

1528
02:18:58,030 --> 02:19:03,490
So it's trans, yeah, the 3.3 million is a transfer into the CIP fund.

1529
02:19:04,110 --> 02:19:09,670
And then any housing projects that are in the CIP fund may be funded from that.

1530
02:19:10,030 --> 02:19:14,870
And if not, then it goes into a separate reserve in set aside for future housing.

1531
02:19:14,870 --> 02:19:19,090
So we're going to be building up the reserve in the CIP fund for capital purchase.

1532
02:19:19,090 --> 02:19:20,950
Okay. It's a savings account for a future hand.

1533
02:19:21,370 --> 02:19:21,630
All right.

1534
02:19:23,880 --> 02:19:27,140
This graph just shows you revenues over expenses every year.

1535
02:19:27,320 --> 02:19:34,780
The first one being the 2024 budget and the right side being the 2025 budget, not showing huge growth.

1536
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:39,460
The next slide will drop, slight drop in revenue, that right?

1537
02:19:40,900 --> 02:19:44,620
The middle one is actually the budget versus the projection.

1538
02:19:46,140 --> 02:19:52,800
So the middle graph is 2024 projected, and the first one is the actual 2024 budget.

1539
02:19:53,040 --> 02:19:56,040
And then the last graph is the 2025 projection.

1540
02:19:56,420 --> 02:19:59,580
All right, actually the budget is usually a little conservative, right?

1541
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:08,140
Yeah, so then revenue is a little bit lower than what was projected in 2024 by very little.

1542
02:20:10,500 --> 02:20:29,980
This shows you the revenue, marketing, and lodging tax is projected to be 3% year over year, which is a nice conservative estimate based on what we're seeing in terms of pace, which I think is smart because it's nice to budget conservatively and know that the money is going to come in.

1543
02:20:29,980 --> 02:20:30,960
versus the other way around.

1544
02:20:32,620 --> 02:20:34,640
Also, on this page, you'll see under expenditures.

1545
02:20:35,200 --> 02:20:38,960
I'll basically take you through, because the marketing,

1546
02:20:39,340 --> 02:20:42,300
the funds available for tourism, the budget is relatively flat.

1547
02:20:42,320 --> 02:20:45,540
I'm going to take you just through where we've made changes on the budget

1548
02:20:45,540 --> 02:20:47,100
for your understanding on the variances.

1549
02:20:47,800 --> 02:20:50,500
I'm in one thing I wanted to call out here as the personnel expenses,

1550
02:20:51,080 --> 02:20:52,740
which I don't have a separate slide for,

1551
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:58,280
are about 4% up year over year for salary increases and benefits.

1552
02:20:58,280 --> 02:21:04,660
benefit increases, and then I'll take you through the changes on the marketing special

1553
02:21:04,660 --> 02:21:06,240
events and PR side.

1554
02:21:06,700 --> 02:21:11,240
All are relatively flat, but I'll take you through the changes that we made there.

1555
02:21:11,460 --> 02:21:16,540
Marketing is slightly up, and special events is slightly down, which I'll explain to you

1556
02:21:16,540 --> 02:21:18,440
and PR is slightly up, so I'll see.

1557
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:21,940
What is in the miscellaneous under revenues?

1558
02:21:21,960 --> 02:21:25,200
There's a miscellaneous line item for $600,000.

1559
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:26,180
That's interesting come.

1560
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:26,700
Okay.

1561
02:21:27,220 --> 02:21:27,660
Thanks.

1562
02:21:28,100 --> 02:21:35,180
Can I ask you to do special events ever generate any revenue, or is that no, not to my knowledge.

1563
02:21:35,400 --> 02:21:35,840
I don't know if it has.

1564
02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:37,460
It would just be sales tax growth.

1565
02:21:37,860 --> 02:21:38,440
There's no.

1566
02:21:38,920 --> 02:21:39,940
We pay these producers.

1567
02:21:39,940 --> 02:21:42,080
I kind of would assume they didn't, but I just want to know.

1568
02:21:42,340 --> 02:21:44,980
We pay producers to come, essentially.

1569
02:21:46,780 --> 02:21:50,120
We are attracting visitors and getting them to come back.

1570
02:21:50,120 --> 02:21:50,800
Event producers.

1571
02:21:51,320 --> 02:21:51,480
Yes.

1572
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:52,580
I beg your pardon.

1573
02:21:55,120 --> 02:22:00,140
And this slide just compares the budget revenues and expenditures year over year.

1574
02:22:00,260 --> 02:22:06,680
And if you look at the expenditures, we are looking at about $369,000 more in tourism funding

1575
02:22:07,520 --> 02:22:11,660
than last year. So a relatively small number in the scheme of the overall budget.

1576
02:22:11,900 --> 02:22:13,520
And as I said, I'll take you through those now.

1577
02:22:16,320 --> 02:22:18,140
This is just sort of the budget at a glance.

1578
02:22:19,640 --> 02:22:26,620
showing you kind of the numbers for 25 against 24, I'll talk about the, again, the changes

1579
02:22:26,620 --> 02:22:31,920
we're making on the tourism budget, the 900,000 that's coming from capital to projects

1580
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:39,360
in the next year. As I mentioned, there's 7.1 million in total going to housing, and I

1581
02:22:39,360 --> 02:22:45,260
wanted to call out on the bottom of the slide just that the revenue or the, sorry, the expenditures

1582
02:22:45,260 --> 02:22:52,540
The measures in tourism are staying relatively flat, but what you can see growing, which I think is smart, is the allocation to housing over the last three years.

1583
02:22:52,900 --> 02:22:59,320
So it was 4.6 million in 2023, and then 5 million, and then 7.1 for 2025.

1584
02:22:59,600 --> 02:23:07,620
The CIP of 900,000 is that for the Macedon and for the Skittle Skittles.

1585
02:23:07,620 --> 02:23:09,660
and for, yeah, and I'm going to take you through those now.

1586
02:23:11,000 --> 02:23:17,120
So here's just where we made variances on the budget that total up, well, that $396 or

1587
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:18,160
about $400,000.

1588
02:23:18,980 --> 02:23:24,820
Undergroup sales, we have $190,000 increase and that I believe was discussed with council

1589
02:23:24,820 --> 02:23:27,580
around this time last year or at some point last year.

1590
02:23:28,940 --> 02:23:36,140
It is a really unique opportunity for Snowmass to bring in one of the largest industry events,

1591
02:23:36,860 --> 02:23:39,160
MTS stands for Mountain Travel Symposium.

1592
02:23:39,740 --> 02:23:42,660
It brings in about 800 professionals in the ski industry

1593
02:23:42,660 --> 02:23:44,200
from about 35 countries.

1594
02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:47,120
It's ideally placed on the calendar the second week

1595
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:50,040
of April, so time when business is pretty low.

1596
02:23:51,320 --> 02:23:54,680
And it is basically all the suppliers and buyers

1597
02:23:54,680 --> 02:23:56,800
of travel in the ski market.

1598
02:23:57,020 --> 02:23:58,920
So it's a really important group for us.

1599
02:23:59,380 --> 02:24:02,460
The ROI on this will be huge in terms

1600
02:24:02,460 --> 02:24:04,260
of actually the roommates in April,

1601
02:24:04,260 --> 02:24:09,060
but it will have a much longer play in terms of the exposure that we're giving all these international ski buyers.

1602
02:24:09,840 --> 02:24:13,160
And we are um partnering with Aspen skiing company on this initiative.

1603
02:24:13,160 --> 02:24:20,200
It will be a huge event for us the second week of April following another event that we have in April is the DAV, the disabled vet.

1604
02:24:20,400 --> 02:24:25,460
So it will really lend itself to a very strong April, but it is a pay to play to bring this group in.

1605
02:24:28,270 --> 02:24:33,250
Under marketing, as I mentioned, the budget's relatively flat, the only additional budget

1606
02:24:33,250 --> 02:24:40,130
we added was $50,000 to increase some summer advertising to the build the drive markets.

1607
02:24:40,330 --> 02:24:43,890
We are, as you heard, from the airport people, have a leave reliant on air service, and

1608
02:24:43,890 --> 02:24:49,250
our visitors coming in on direct flights, and we'd like to build more of awareness for

1609
02:24:49,250 --> 02:24:52,490
the drive market, which we know they pass a lot of resorts on the way to us.

1610
02:24:52,490 --> 02:24:57,010
and really it's partly in preparation for the potential airport closure in

1611
02:24:57,010 --> 02:24:59,970
in 2026, which is slated for...

1612
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:25,820
We'll leave an eight month closure. The new runway wherever it is. Okay. Well, if there is a new runway that fits all our guests, it'll be an eight month. That's the plan summer of 2026. I'll tell you I'll tell you in a couple of weeks. I'll tell you in a couple of weeks. We're waiting to plan for it, but we're planning for it. So we do have an increase there to build, you know, the drive market business.

1613
02:25:25,820 --> 02:25:32,360
The ICE age discovery, while the budget did decrease, that's because we have that money

1614
02:25:32,360 --> 02:25:36,540
coming out of capital for the project for the mastodons, and we do still have budget

1615
02:25:36,540 --> 02:25:40,380
there to continue the ICE age story, but that budget went down from last year when we

1616
02:25:40,380 --> 02:25:45,480
had a significant budget allocation for some of the projects we did this year.

1617
02:25:46,200 --> 02:25:51,940
And then we did slightly increase support under public relations for the international campaign.

1618
02:25:51,940 --> 02:25:55,420
and we currently are working in the UK and Mexico

1619
02:25:55,420 --> 02:25:57,020
and seeing great success in that.

1620
02:25:57,380 --> 02:26:00,620
We are looking at some strategy for potentially adding a market

1621
02:26:00,620 --> 02:26:03,360
or co-opping with the Colorado Tourism Office

1622
02:26:03,360 --> 02:26:04,940
and the Aspen Scheme Company

1623
02:26:04,940 --> 02:26:08,100
for some additional PR in the international markets.

1624
02:26:09,220 --> 02:26:10,140
Did you have a question?

1625
02:26:10,900 --> 02:26:12,760
No, because they're really important to us.

1626
02:26:13,400 --> 02:26:17,540
So, guest services, this was more of a money move

1627
02:26:17,540 --> 02:26:18,420
than a money ad.

1628
02:26:18,540 --> 02:26:20,420
We didn't actually have a budget for guest services.

1629
02:26:20,420 --> 02:26:24,660
it was under special events, and I wanted to more accurately reflect the budget and have

1630
02:26:24,660 --> 02:26:30,420
guest services have its own line item. A bulk of that is the SMORS program, which really

1631
02:26:30,420 --> 02:26:36,660
is a huge signature touch for our visitors. I would encourage all of you to go down to the SMORS

1632
02:26:36,660 --> 02:26:40,900
in the season and see the delight on the visitors and locals faces that that program brings.

1633
02:26:41,500 --> 02:26:46,380
And so I really just move that out of events into guest services, which is why the events budget

1634
02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:52,740
It looks like it went lower, but it was kind of a money move, and there's, you know, just some very small changes in the events program.

1635
02:26:53,320 --> 02:26:55,500
Are the smores about half of that budget?

1636
02:26:55,880 --> 02:27:00,280
The smores are about $75,000, so it's a big chunk of it.

1637
02:27:00,520 --> 02:27:03,740
Yeah, it's not cheap and marshmallows have gone up a pair of.

1638
02:27:05,420 --> 02:27:07,400
But I have a question about the smores.

1639
02:27:07,620 --> 02:27:09,520
Yeah, I mean, I have witnessed it.

1640
02:27:09,820 --> 02:27:14,380
I know at the line, especially after Skisgulgatap.

1641
02:27:16,760 --> 02:27:21,380
TNM is travel in meetings, so that's just for the guest services department, you know,

1642
02:27:21,480 --> 02:27:26,240
to have meetings, to, you know, experience, they go around Snowmass and experience new

1643
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:30,100
restaurants and things, so it's just a very small budget, like I said, the bulk of that

1644
02:27:30,100 --> 02:27:30,900
is the Smores program.

1645
02:27:32,840 --> 02:27:39,160
So I feel like when we first came across the idea of the Smores and doing that, I don't know

1646
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:42,060
that it was intended to last as long as it's lasted.

1647
02:27:42,820 --> 02:27:46,600
I mean, is there, I mean, do we feel that there's a time frame for this?

1648
02:27:46,740 --> 02:27:51,740
I know it's wildly popular, but then I've also heard from people that own businesses

1649
02:27:51,740 --> 02:27:59,080
that it is taking away from their business opportunity after skiing.

1650
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:00,080
Yeah.

1651
02:28:00,280 --> 02:28:01,560
And I've heard the same.

1652
02:28:02,080 --> 02:28:02,180
Yeah.

1653
02:28:02,600 --> 02:28:06,800
Well, I will say that I think from my six months here,

1654
02:28:06,800 --> 02:28:11,480
it seems that the SMORs are like other destinations who have that signature thing that makes

1655
02:28:11,480 --> 02:28:16,380
guests feel really special. It's an important part of our brand. And I kind of had the

1656
02:28:16,380 --> 02:28:19,860
same question when I came into the job and then I started hearing some of the testimonials

1657
02:28:19,860 --> 02:28:25,000
and feedback from visitors and the guest service staff about how this little touch, you know,

1658
02:28:25,100 --> 02:28:29,980
in the scheme of the budget and the overall efforts really makes them feel really welcomed

1659
02:28:29,980 --> 02:28:35,560
and really special. I do understand that some businesses feel like they were doing

1660
02:28:35,560 --> 02:28:38,540
And we took that away for them, but away from them.

1661
02:28:38,700 --> 02:28:43,840
But the other goal around this Moores program was to keep people in the village versus

1662
02:28:43,840 --> 02:28:45,140
like taking off from skiing.

1663
02:28:45,200 --> 02:28:47,980
So it's just like a nice feel good for people to hang out.

1664
02:28:48,480 --> 02:28:52,640
Kids and adults have Moores, and the idea was that people would spend longer in the village

1665
02:28:52,640 --> 02:28:54,880
and not that they would take business away.

1666
02:28:55,720 --> 02:29:02,520
The Moores program also is right now contracted to a local business, so there is somebody providing

1667
02:29:02,520 --> 02:29:06,600
that to us and making, you know, the costs, covering their costs for that.

1668
02:29:06,720 --> 02:29:08,540
So, the money is going back to a business.

1669
02:29:09,100 --> 02:29:14,740
And I think the question's been asked, are we going to go to RFP, you know, and be able to open it up to another business at some point.

1670
02:29:15,320 --> 02:29:22,380
I don't, I personally wouldn't say it needs to go away, but I'm open to, you know, hearing those conversations, which I understand some businesses are against it.

1671
02:29:22,380 --> 02:29:26,160
And I'd add, those businesses, and that's why we have a tourism board come and

1672
02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:29,780
tell them that the other concerns about it, and let the tourism board discuss it because

1673
02:29:30,260 --> 02:29:33,840
I would, I would venture to say the vast majority of the tourism board is very supportive

1674
02:29:33,840 --> 02:29:35,560
of the program and likes the way it operates.

1675
02:29:35,760 --> 02:29:41,240
And so, if an individual business had that issue, that would be the place I think

1676
02:29:41,240 --> 02:29:42,220
to start that conversation.

1677
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:47,720
Yeah, I mean, listen, in a place that's so expensive and nothing is ever free,

1678
02:29:48,020 --> 02:29:52,020
like, you know, between the hot cider, which they don't do anymore on top of the mountain,

1679
02:29:52,020 --> 02:29:59,640
and the bars and having this, I mean, it serves the need, I see the kids, I think it's great.

1680
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,980
And I personally feel like it's added that sort of special touch. And I think the people that actually serve this more like, really like it, like interaction with the kids is really cute. I'm just, it's just more of, you know, is there a longevity to it? Because I don't know that when we started it, it was intended to be that way. I think it was more like something. Yeah, I think everything's open to discussion and, you know, feedback. And if it doesn't work for

1681
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:34,140
the kind of majority of people, we can certainly look at it. I do think it's really nice to have

1682
02:30:34,140 --> 02:30:38,300
that signature touch where the visitors get something people love free things and they love,

1683
02:30:38,400 --> 02:30:41,520
I think, how it makes them feel really welcome, but it could be something else too.

1684
02:30:42,600 --> 02:30:44,720
So I think if we took it away, it would be.

1685
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:48,840
Yeah, it's kind of hard to take something away. But I'm wondering if there's something,

1686
02:30:49,260 --> 02:30:52,940
you know, if people are waiting in line for this more with their kids,

1687
02:30:52,940 --> 02:31:07,420
Is there something that we could then do that we could give them to incentivize them to then go in frequent one of the businesses, like either go and sit and have a drink or get an appetizer or something?

1688
02:31:07,780 --> 02:31:11,580
I don't know what that would look like. I just feel like, I don't know.

1689
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:13,820
I mean, yeah, they may just stay in line four.

1690
02:31:14,360 --> 02:31:14,400
What?

1691
02:31:14,680 --> 02:31:16,680
They wait around, I mean, four or five minutes?

1692
02:31:16,980 --> 02:31:18,060
I have five or 10 minutes.

1693
02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:18,300
Yeah, oh yeah.

1694
02:31:18,380 --> 02:31:20,840
They're lined up until the doors open.

1695
02:31:20,900 --> 02:31:21,200
Oh yeah.

1696
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:27,000
It's in base villages, especially the line is really well. Yeah, I've seen it on the mall. I've been seeing it basically

1697
02:31:27,000 --> 02:31:37,060
330, 330. Yeah, like an hour. I think yeah. Yeah, I mean using that to activate the next like what's next?

1698
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:47,020
Yeah, the idea was to bridge. Yeah, the idea was to bridge, you know, the ski experience to, you know, operate your dinner experience and have something.

1699
02:31:47,020 --> 02:31:51,780
These people from Religious going back to their lives, right, jumping the hunt up or jump on a bus.

1700
02:31:52,140 --> 02:31:59,260
I mean, if a business had an idea like that, if they wanted to walk up and down and give dollar off coupons for whatever, we would refine with that.

1701
02:31:59,480 --> 02:32:08,400
But we know we do this to support them, and so if a business has got an idea on how to attract or better utilize that line that's waiting for us more, we're all ears.

1702
02:32:08,580 --> 02:32:14,840
But some of the stuff we got to rely on them to do, to the mall's credit, they put it in an extra fire pit because they wanted it in a certain spot.

1703
02:32:14,840 --> 02:32:19,380
I mean, a lot of people understand the importance of it and are working towards it, so.

1704
02:32:19,640 --> 02:32:21,140
Yeah, no, I think it's great.

1705
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:28,780
I'm just wondering maybe if we could capitalize it on it a little bit more to benefit the other vendors.

1706
02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:29,260
Yeah.

1707
02:32:29,560 --> 02:32:33,040
And yes, it is keeping people there, but how long is it keeping people there?

1708
02:32:33,160 --> 02:32:38,700
I mean, I've seen people grab their s'mores sticks and then eat them as they're walking to the bus stop.

1709
02:32:40,380 --> 02:32:41,500
So I don't know.

1710
02:32:41,780 --> 02:32:43,160
I think it's just something to explore.

1711
02:32:43,160 --> 02:32:48,120
Yeah, I'm happy to open a feedback and happy to discuss it too, because I really kind

1712
02:32:48,120 --> 02:32:51,180
of came in at the tail end of ski season, so I didn't see it activated as much.

1713
02:32:51,380 --> 02:32:56,120
A big picture, if it's one of those things that said motivates them to come to snowmass

1714
02:32:56,120 --> 02:32:58,700
next year, then everybody wins, right?

1715
02:32:58,900 --> 02:32:59,220
Right, yeah.

1716
02:32:59,480 --> 02:33:00,040
And everybody does win.

1717
02:33:00,260 --> 02:33:04,160
I mean, I've heard guest services people say that people have said that's the reason they come

1718
02:33:04,160 --> 02:33:08,320
back to snowmass, which sounds a little over the top, but it is like a thing.

1719
02:33:08,320 --> 02:33:11,560
And it's not something with the kids, it's something with adults too.

1720
02:33:11,760 --> 02:33:12,320
I've seen it.

1721
02:33:12,540 --> 02:33:15,180
And they're keeping on this world that I've never had a s'more.

1722
02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:17,440
And so it's very exciting.

1723
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:21,940
And now we have s'more socks, so it's part of our brand.

1724
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:23,120
But we're not stuck with it.

1725
02:33:23,220 --> 02:33:24,800
We can always look at changing socks.

1726
02:33:26,900 --> 02:33:27,980
And it is a signature.

1727
02:33:28,320 --> 02:33:30,920
I mean, I think Beaver Creek and Vail Hand out cookies.

1728
02:33:31,140 --> 02:33:32,640
Yeah, I was going to use that as an example.

1729
02:33:32,840 --> 02:33:33,720
And they're known for that.

1730
02:33:33,860 --> 02:33:35,440
You know, the smell of warm cookies.

1731
02:33:35,440 --> 02:33:38,740
It's part of their like making people feel like they had that competition

1732
02:33:39,620 --> 02:33:41,620
Or is this more is which are better than cookies?

1733
02:33:42,260 --> 02:33:48,060
It was a community competition. Oh was like yeah people submitted their their cookie recipes

1734
02:33:48,060 --> 02:33:55,080
And then they narrowed it down to have remenny and then they would come on opening day and you'd have to bake like a thousand cookies

1735
02:33:55,840 --> 02:34:04,200
And then they would vote on who would be the winner and then that person became the cookie of the resort for the year

1736
02:34:05,440 --> 02:34:08,820
Is it one or two businesses that get the contract for this morse?

1737
02:34:08,940 --> 02:34:14,200
Right now it's going through one business, but I think that we would probably want to rotate it to be fair.

1738
02:34:14,520 --> 02:34:16,980
I think it's been different businesses over the years.

1739
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:21,200
And we have put it out at least twice that I can remember, put it out there are a few process.

1740
02:34:21,880 --> 02:34:22,960
It's the edge has it now.

1741
02:34:23,200 --> 02:34:26,860
Yeah, Josie, yeah, I think it's I think they're in year two, if I remember it.

1742
02:34:27,160 --> 02:34:31,300
No, we used to be, I can't remember, but it's been a couple of different businesses we put it out and

1743
02:34:31,300 --> 02:34:34,840
for the first couple of years we actually did it and then we realized that wasn't smart.

1744
02:34:35,440 --> 02:34:36,080
You started making that.

1745
02:34:36,100 --> 02:34:36,960
That's a little glue than maybe.

1746
02:34:37,620 --> 02:34:40,700
A little glue that was for a while, yeah, so it's been, we bit it out.

1747
02:34:40,940 --> 02:34:41,180
Oh, yeah.

1748
02:34:41,940 --> 02:34:43,920
Can I ask another question on guest services?

1749
02:34:44,180 --> 02:34:44,320
Yeah.

1750
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:50,340
So is this where the contract for face painting and?

1751
02:34:51,060 --> 02:34:51,940
That's not a special event.

1752
02:34:52,300 --> 02:34:53,200
Oh, it isn't special event.

1753
02:34:53,360 --> 02:34:53,500
Yeah.

1754
02:34:53,720 --> 02:34:59,180
So the guest services budget just represents the Smores program, the Aces Hikes, and the, like,

1755
02:34:59,180 --> 02:34:59,980
Uniforms for

1756
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:28,960
So the staff and, you know, they're a small budget for them to go around and have meetings and try things and, you know, experience snowmass so that they can fully talk about it, they could try something new. So this really all of these funds were in the budget existing. I just moved them out of special events to guest services so that we can accurately reflect what we're spending on the guest service experience. Because I mean, I kind of feel like that is a guest service as well. The face painting.

1757
02:35:32,380 --> 02:35:36,480
I mean, I'm just, if you're moving things around, you can't let it explore them.

1758
02:35:36,760 --> 02:35:40,580
I mean, this is literally, there's nine or 13.

1759
02:35:41,220 --> 02:35:42,960
I can't remember the guest service employees, yeah.

1760
02:35:43,480 --> 02:35:44,220
I think nine.

1761
02:35:44,480 --> 02:35:44,620
I think nine.

1762
02:35:44,620 --> 02:35:50,060
This is those people that sit in the trailer, I mean, it's very specific to this one thing that,

1763
02:35:50,700 --> 02:35:54,500
you know, the, where's the bathroom, I don't want to, where's the bathroom, how do I catch

1764
02:35:54,500 --> 02:35:57,220
your bus, where's a lift to get off of this, that kind of stuff.

1765
02:35:57,900 --> 02:36:01,760
These are just the things to me that made sense to put in to get services as a guest service

1766
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:05,320
initiative and they also manage these things, special events, managers, the face painting

1767
02:36:05,320 --> 02:36:07,940
and the other activations like that, so that's in their budget.

1768
02:36:08,960 --> 02:36:16,520
The last change is another new line item I called industry relations and it is for, I'm

1769
02:36:16,520 --> 02:36:19,560
going to talk to you today about the destination management plan, so it's covering the cost

1770
02:36:19,560 --> 02:36:20,640
of facilitating that.

1771
02:36:21,400 --> 02:36:25,560
There's also budget in there to facilitate new ideas that come out of the destination

1772
02:36:25,560 --> 02:36:29,000
management plan because we don't want to come up with great ideas and have zero budget

1773
02:36:29,000 --> 02:36:34,420
to implement them in year one. And also, I know when I came into this position, there was a

1774
02:36:34,420 --> 02:36:39,360
goal to have more community engagement. So, you know, putting some of the chores and talks in person,

1775
02:36:39,840 --> 02:36:44,440
some of the business after hours, so that we can engage with the community and other industry

1776
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:48,740
events. There wasn't a specific budget for it, so I called it out in this industry relations line

1777
02:36:48,740 --> 02:36:55,060
item. And so, these things I just went through represent that $400,000 change in the budget.

1778
02:36:56,940 --> 02:37:01,100
So unless there's any questions, I was going to move into the capital projects that represent

1779
02:37:01,100 --> 02:37:03,220
that $900,000 budget allocation.

1780
02:37:04,600 --> 02:37:09,200
I don't think there's any breaking news here, but the first one is the Macedon's by

1781
02:37:09,200 --> 02:37:10,400
artist Jen Lewin.

1782
02:37:11,160 --> 02:37:18,260
There is $250,000 between this year and next year's budget for the design, fabrication, and

1783
02:37:18,260 --> 02:37:18,840
installation.

1784
02:37:19,580 --> 02:37:22,180
I'm super excited to bring this project to them all.

1785
02:37:22,180 --> 02:37:27,260
Well, I think it really brings the ice age discovery story to life for the visitors with

1786
02:37:27,260 --> 02:37:32,960
life size mastodons and also meets community, the council's goal to engage with the community

1787
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:35,840
and to really have a sense of place in everything that we do.

1788
02:37:37,000 --> 02:37:42,480
So I think you've seen the renderings, they're going to be really pretty amazing right outside

1789
02:37:42,480 --> 02:37:45,700
the view line there and also pretty cool story.

1790
02:37:46,120 --> 02:37:51,000
The artist is a very hot name right now and the fabrication of them is very interesting.

1791
02:37:51,000 --> 02:37:57,680
the mama is made out of recycled ocean plastic and as you can see here I think you can see visitors

1792
02:37:57,680 --> 02:38:05,180
will be able to walk into the mastodon and the inside of the mastodon will be featuring infinity

1793
02:38:05,180 --> 02:38:13,760
LED mirrors and those mirrors will feature the flora of the ice age era so it's going to be a very

1794
02:38:13,760 --> 02:38:20,340
interactive cool exhibit that I think again will really create a sense of place and bring that ice age

1795
02:38:20,340 --> 02:38:26,560
story to life. Here's another one, the interior of Mama can also be lit up with different

1796
02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:31,840
colors, so it could be themed like the Empire State Building comes to mind if you wanted

1797
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:37,300
to light it up in different colors. And we, you know, our goal is to have it be very interactive

1798
02:38:37,300 --> 02:38:39,900
and have it be a really focal point for the visitor.

1799
02:38:41,340 --> 02:38:45,240
And just on that one, we're still waiting for property permission. That's the one last

1800
02:38:45,240 --> 02:38:47,700
thing we're waiting for is to get property permission to put it there.

1801
02:38:50,220 --> 02:38:54,400
from the view line, and then we are going to move to final contract with the artist.

1802
02:38:55,040 --> 02:38:58,220
And so we had initially said it'd be installed in summer, but we're thinking it'd probably

1803
02:38:58,220 --> 02:39:02,460
more like fall as we kind of finalize those agreements so that we can give the artist

1804
02:39:02,460 --> 02:39:04,360
appropriate time for the fabrication.

1805
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:06,760
And then go ahead, you asked.

1806
02:39:07,060 --> 02:39:09,460
The $250,000 is in the budget for that.

1807
02:39:09,640 --> 02:39:15,860
Well, that cover is that exactly what's needed to cover creating the art and install it?

1808
02:39:15,860 --> 02:39:17,700
That should cover everything, the design of it,

1809
02:39:17,920 --> 02:39:20,020
the fabrication of it, and the installation.

1810
02:39:20,700 --> 02:39:24,080
There be anything left over for, I don't believe so.

1811
02:39:25,940 --> 02:39:28,020
Will there be interpretive signage as well?

1812
02:39:30,240 --> 02:39:30,980
That's a good question.

1813
02:39:31,180 --> 02:39:32,500
I don't know that we've talked about signage

1814
02:39:32,500 --> 02:39:33,900
as something we could definitely discuss.

1815
02:39:34,900 --> 02:39:35,280
It's necessary.

1816
02:39:35,740 --> 02:39:37,860
Because I would think we'd want to tie back to the story.

1817
02:39:38,200 --> 02:39:41,280
I mean, I think, yeah, one interesting we mentioned that

1818
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:43,480
because that's kind of what I was getting as their room

1819
02:39:43,480 --> 02:39:45,780
for any little bits and pieces

1820
02:39:45,780 --> 02:39:47,560
to be added to the signage.

1821
02:39:47,560 --> 02:39:48,560
I don't think it's like signage.

1822
02:39:48,580 --> 02:39:50,780
There would be a organic feature around it

1823
02:39:50,780 --> 02:39:53,260
to bring some warmth in or other suggestions.

1824
02:39:53,320 --> 02:39:54,660
Well, it can be added to the walk.

1825
02:39:54,920 --> 02:39:57,780
Like, if you scan the QR code and it tells you the locations

1826
02:39:58,380 --> 02:39:59,500
could be added to that.

1827
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:29,980
I would think that being conjunction with like the art map and you know, all the signage that's going around that and this will be added to that and you know, I think that would be part of that. Some little sign that lets you know, this is the size of a man, you know, and why it's important and all that. I mean, why. And I have to do through the QR code and this and that and just something really dumb and simple. People may not know why we have mammoths. They're going to know now. My other question is.

1828
02:40:29,980 --> 02:40:37,900
I mean, I feel like some of the art that we have around the village isn't as easily accessible in terms of like people walking by it all the time.

1829
02:40:38,700 --> 02:40:46,120
So security-wise, I mean, how sturdy are these things?

1830
02:40:46,740 --> 02:40:50,060
Like, is it like a snowball goes into it and creates a problem?

1831
02:40:50,320 --> 02:40:54,260
Are we gonna have any sort of surveillance camera on it?

1832
02:40:54,360 --> 02:40:59,640
I mean, I'm asking because I know the reality that sometimes things get damaged.

1833
02:40:59,640 --> 02:41:01,320
I know we talked about that with the bears too.

1834
02:41:01,520 --> 02:41:02,960
Like our people are going to start climbing on them.

1835
02:41:03,220 --> 02:41:06,120
And I mean, I think these are made for some wear and tear.

1836
02:41:06,220 --> 02:41:08,400
They're huge and they're super solid.

1837
02:41:09,180 --> 02:41:10,580
The babies made out of chrome.

1838
02:41:10,580 --> 02:41:13,340
They're not going to be like damaged easily, I don't think.

1839
02:41:13,500 --> 02:41:14,760
But I think it's a fair question.

1840
02:41:15,260 --> 02:41:17,480
I don't know that we've talked about security cameras,

1841
02:41:17,480 --> 02:41:20,340
but we can certainly discuss security

1842
02:41:20,340 --> 02:41:22,520
and how to make sure that they stay protected.

1843
02:41:23,380 --> 02:41:24,940
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a big investment.

1844
02:41:24,940 --> 02:41:28,160
We've waited for a long time to sort of be able

1845
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:32,620
to do something like this, and I don't know.

1846
02:41:32,900 --> 02:41:36,820
I think we need to make sure it stays protected the best we can.

1847
02:41:37,100 --> 02:41:42,720
No, I think it's a good discussion, as much as you don't want to believe that people are going to do bad things like, you know what I'm saying.

1848
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:52,560
Yeah, and the ice sculptures that we had there were amazing, but, you know, you come back the next day and somebody's broken them off, and it's like, oh, yeah.

1849
02:41:53,300 --> 02:41:55,420
No, I think it's a fair question.

1850
02:41:55,420 --> 02:41:56,880
and we want to make sure, like you said,

1851
02:41:56,980 --> 02:41:59,220
it's a good, big investment to make sure that they stay

1852
02:41:59,220 --> 02:42:01,140
and they're safe, already be cameras.

1853
02:42:01,360 --> 02:42:02,580
I don't know about the mall security.

1854
02:42:02,780 --> 02:42:04,040
I don't know if there's already cameras

1855
02:42:04,040 --> 02:42:05,700
and something that could be adjusted.

1856
02:42:07,080 --> 02:42:09,120
I happen to know that it's been thought about

1857
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:11,600
and we will, without going through the whole thing,

1858
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:13,220
yes, we know that it's important to have that.

1859
02:42:13,220 --> 02:42:13,380
Thank you, okay.

1860
02:42:14,180 --> 02:42:15,100
That was my main question.

1861
02:42:15,140 --> 02:42:15,420
Thank you.

1862
02:42:15,480 --> 02:42:16,300
I could help you earlier, sorry.

1863
02:42:16,700 --> 02:42:17,760
I'm not a part of the conversation.

1864
02:42:17,980 --> 02:42:18,740
You were doing so good.

1865
02:42:18,940 --> 02:42:20,060
I didn't want to jump in on you.

1866
02:42:20,360 --> 02:42:21,160
She's doing great.

1867
02:42:21,340 --> 02:42:21,580
I know.

1868
02:42:21,760 --> 02:42:23,180
That's why I didn't want to zip in it.

1869
02:42:23,180 --> 02:42:27,640
Yeah, I mean, I don't know everything yet, but I'm working on it.

1870
02:42:27,940 --> 02:42:33,860
Super excited to the other capital investment is again really significant.

1871
02:42:34,220 --> 02:42:39,460
It's our, you know, signature Thursday night concerts that create so much engagement with the community and visitors and locals.

1872
02:42:40,260 --> 02:42:45,480
It is a significant investment of $500,000 between this year and next year's budget.

1873
02:42:45,880 --> 02:42:50,620
But our stage for the Thursday night concerts has come to the end of its lifespan.

1874
02:42:51,300 --> 02:42:57,500
It is past its kind of structural integrity, and it really is time to upgrade it to past safety inspections.

1875
02:42:58,440 --> 02:43:08,780
I'm super excited about the new stage that we're bringing. It's a mobile stage, so it essentially sort of flips open versus taking days to build.

1876
02:43:09,740 --> 02:43:15,920
So while the investment is significant in the long term, this will require less labor to set up and less labor to dismantle.

1877
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:21,360
and it will be movable if we want it to move it somewhere and it is a state of the art

1878
02:43:21,360 --> 02:43:26,900
stage so I'm really excited to upgrade that I think it'll be great experience for not

1879
02:43:26,900 --> 02:43:32,680
only the audience but for the artists coming in and with that the audio system has been

1880
02:43:32,680 --> 02:43:40,640
kind of had some challenges the current audio system is 30 years old and the sound isn't

1881
02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:45,700
reaching the second half of the hill so we're upgrading the new audio as well to

1882
02:43:45,700 --> 02:43:50,200
really, you know, be in line with all the modern technology we have for sound

1883
02:43:50,200 --> 02:43:56,000
and stage. And here's just an example of the stage. This is, you know,

1884
02:43:56,100 --> 02:43:59,120
branded for somebody else, but we can brand it obviously with snowmass,

1885
02:43:59,400 --> 02:44:05,480
any sponsors, and it's, you know, like I said, it's a mobile stage that will

1886
02:44:05,480 --> 02:44:09,680
require less work and less things to serve pops up from a trailer. I mean,

1887
02:44:09,700 --> 02:44:13,560
I might be overstating the ease of it. I don't know. But it's like the one that

1888
02:44:13,560 --> 02:44:15,300
they have a jazz athlete, they like crank.

1889
02:44:15,460 --> 02:44:19,860
Yeah, it's sort of just pops open versus I understand

1890
02:44:19,860 --> 02:44:22,680
the previous stage did take a number of days to build

1891
02:44:22,680 --> 02:44:23,540
and dismantle.

1892
02:44:23,540 --> 02:44:25,620
So this will just be easier in the long run.

1893
02:44:25,620 --> 02:44:28,840
It'll require less labor hours and less time

1894
02:44:28,840 --> 02:44:29,940
to put up and take down.

1895
02:44:30,520 --> 02:44:34,600
So if we wanted to have a concert at the rodeo,

1896
02:44:34,600 --> 02:44:36,180
for example, you can stock that model.

1897
02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:38,420
I don't think you can move it like daily or anything.

1898
02:44:38,560 --> 02:44:40,980
No, no, we could move it like say after the,

1899
02:44:41,280 --> 02:44:42,920
I mean, I don't want to speak because I don't know,

1900
02:44:42,920 --> 02:44:45,860
you know, the details of the logistics of it,

1901
02:44:45,860 --> 02:44:47,660
but it does sound like we could move it like,

1902
02:44:47,980 --> 02:44:50,120
say after the Thursday night concert series

1903
02:44:50,120 --> 02:44:53,400
to the rodeo lot and do an event down there,

1904
02:44:53,400 --> 02:44:56,020
which is pretty cool versus dismantling it for days

1905
02:44:56,020 --> 02:44:57,560
and then like resetting it up.

1906
02:44:58,220 --> 02:44:59,980
And these are the sort of state of the...

1907
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,580
We are at the new stages where we want to be, you know, modernizing too. So more opportunity, I think, than along with.

1908
02:45:11,360 --> 02:45:20,360
And then the last capital project is the $400,000 annual contribution for the eventual replacement of these skittles. So that's just a transfer.

1909
02:45:23,310 --> 02:45:33,630
And then the last thing I wanted to talk to you, the most newest exciting thing we're working on that you've heard a little bit about, and I just wanted to take you a little bit more through the process and what it means for snow mass is the

1910
02:45:33,630 --> 02:45:34,850
destination management plan.

1911
02:45:36,450 --> 02:45:39,250
Here's just a textbook definition of what does a destination

1912
02:45:39,250 --> 02:45:41,810
management plan or destination management mean?

1913
02:45:41,990 --> 02:45:44,150
It's the coordinated management of all the elements

1914
02:45:44,150 --> 02:45:46,910
that make up a tourist destination to really enhance

1915
02:45:46,910 --> 02:45:50,050
its overall appeal, success, and long-term sustainability.

1916
02:45:50,870 --> 02:45:53,430
This graphic just shows you the types of things

1917
02:45:53,430 --> 02:45:56,870
that we're looking at in a destination management plan.

1918
02:45:57,210 --> 02:45:59,590
It's not just about the marketing and attracting visitors.

1919
02:45:59,590 --> 02:46:01,790
It's about really engaging with the community.

1920
02:46:02,210 --> 02:46:06,050
It's about doing an assessment of our destination, our strengths, and our weaknesses.

1921
02:46:06,430 --> 02:46:10,910
It's taking all the data that we already have and putting that into the mix.

1922
02:46:11,570 --> 02:46:15,390
And I'm going to take you a little bit through like the process of what that looks like.

1923
02:46:17,170 --> 02:46:19,570
A little bit about destination management plans.

1924
02:46:19,570 --> 02:46:22,670
And some of you may have heard this if you came to tourism talks or some other meetings

1925
02:46:22,670 --> 02:46:24,830
because we have been engaging already in the community.

1926
02:46:25,470 --> 02:46:30,130
But it is like a really broad holistic look at assessing and strategizing around a tourism

1927
02:46:30,130 --> 02:46:30,690
destination.

1928
02:46:30,690 --> 02:46:35,830
It will build a roadmap to support the long-term health of Snowmass and the well-being, not only

1929
02:46:35,830 --> 02:46:37,470
for visitors but for the community.

1930
02:46:38,090 --> 02:46:42,370
It's a very participatory process, which I'll take you through kind of what that looks

1931
02:46:42,370 --> 02:46:42,770
like.

1932
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:48,430
It'll involve all key stakeholder groups, elected officials as yourself and key decision-makers

1933
02:46:48,430 --> 02:46:50,210
as well as our community residents.

1934
02:46:51,890 --> 02:46:57,570
And as mentioned here, it's going to be cognizant of our budget, which we have really good resources

1935
02:46:57,570 --> 02:47:04,670
for, and our funding mechanisms, and what we actually can implement, and what we can't

1936
02:47:04,670 --> 02:47:10,630
implement. We contracted, we put out an RFP, we got 10 proposals, and we contracted

1937
02:47:10,630 --> 02:47:15,090
with road map consulting. I'm really excited to work with them. They are based locally in

1938
02:47:15,090 --> 02:47:19,770
Carbondale, but they have put together a team of professionals, some that are not local,

1939
02:47:20,390 --> 02:47:25,230
that really, I think, did the best job at responding to the RFP. One thing that I was

1940
02:47:25,230 --> 02:47:30,750
very definite about is I wanted it to be an actionable and succinct plan that's measurable.

1941
02:47:31,230 --> 02:47:36,050
Some destination management plans can be very long and I don't want it to be something

1942
02:47:36,050 --> 02:47:39,170
that sits on a shelf and is like nobody reads it because it's 100 pages.

1943
02:47:39,370 --> 02:47:42,870
So I really want to come up with really a five-year road map.

1944
02:47:43,190 --> 02:47:45,590
We're using five years as a baseline.

1945
02:47:45,670 --> 02:47:51,130
It could have longer tactics too that we might want to look at in the longer term but really

1946
02:47:51,130 --> 02:47:55,970
We're looking at sort of short mid and long range goals for the destination and something

1947
02:47:55,970 --> 02:47:58,850
that we can action and the council will be able to measure against as well.

1948
02:47:59,790 --> 02:48:03,870
As it says here, it will have a defined vision and mission for the destination with specific

1949
02:48:03,870 --> 02:48:07,370
goals, strategies and tactics, and it will identify needs.

1950
02:48:07,550 --> 02:48:11,890
It might be things like destination development, which would mean like do we want new products

1951
02:48:11,890 --> 02:48:17,670
for our visitors, new initiatives, and really just looking at enhancing the visitors, but

1952
02:48:17,670 --> 02:48:21,350
But it will also take in consideration the needs of the community as well.

1953
02:48:22,370 --> 02:48:24,450
And again, it will define what implementation looks like.

1954
02:48:24,530 --> 02:48:27,170
It will have a timeline and it will identify the budget needs.

1955
02:48:27,590 --> 02:48:33,150
So my hope is that the plan also times really well with a five-year budget that we put together

1956
02:48:33,150 --> 02:48:37,790
to say that we've identified some priorities for the destination and we can also look at

1957
02:48:37,790 --> 02:48:42,730
budgeting against those in sort of a proactive and long-term way.

1958
02:48:44,450 --> 02:48:48,850
In terms of stakeholder engagement, we've already started the process and I wanted to take

1959
02:48:48,850 --> 02:48:52,570
you through what's already been happening and what is still going to be happening.

1960
02:48:53,150 --> 02:48:57,330
In some of you where I know part of this, so in September we kicked off the process.

1961
02:48:57,610 --> 02:49:01,850
We had meetings with the tourism board and with our various committees, the group sales committee

1962
02:49:01,850 --> 02:49:06,410
and the marketing advisory, sorry, it says the marketing advisory board, that's actually

1963
02:49:06,410 --> 02:49:11,110
the marketing advisory committee and we did a community tourism talks at the collective

1964
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:17,370
and September. Right now we are working on two surveys. We're just finalizing those this week.

1965
02:49:17,570 --> 02:49:24,630
We hope to start distribution of those next week. One is specifically targeted to SNOMAS residents

1966
02:49:24,630 --> 02:49:29,510
and one to tourism stakeholders and ask them a series of questions about how they feel about the

1967
02:49:29,510 --> 02:49:35,250
destination. It's about 30 questions long, you know, how they feel about the future of the destination,

1968
02:49:35,410 --> 02:49:40,630
what's important to them. And we're going to have those surveys distributed from next week,

1969
02:49:40,630 --> 02:49:45,650
probably through like mid-December to really get as much community participation as possible.

1970
02:49:46,090 --> 02:49:51,870
Those will go out through the TOSV website and through our tourism stakeholder newsletters,

1971
02:49:51,870 --> 02:49:56,950
social media, various other outlets to make sure we get as much participation in those as

1972
02:49:56,950 --> 02:49:57,390
possible.

1973
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:59,770
and they are drafted already.

1974
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:02,740
They're in draft form and we're looking to finalize those this week.

1975
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:29,620
We are also working in response to the RFP I put together. We're working on two focus work sessions. They probably won't take place in November, but we are putting the teams together for a sustainability workforce and a DEIA specific workforce session. So there should be some goals that come out of this plan that are specific to sustainability and DEIA. And again,

1976
02:50:29,620 --> 02:50:32,000
and mid and longer term goals.

1977
02:50:33,780 --> 02:50:36,900
DEIA is diversity, equity, inclusion, and accessibility.

1978
02:50:37,680 --> 02:50:41,460
And it is an important part of what the work that tourism does.

1979
02:50:41,700 --> 02:50:44,240
So to include things like making visitors and locals

1980
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:47,600
all feel more welcome, things like accessible travel,

1981
02:50:47,900 --> 02:50:51,920
looking at visitors with disabilities,

1982
02:50:52,180 --> 02:50:53,420
whether they're hidden or physical,

1983
02:50:53,980 --> 02:50:55,340
are they welcome in our community,

1984
02:50:55,620 --> 02:50:57,260
are there ways we can make it more welcoming,

1985
02:50:58,100 --> 02:51:03,740
diversity in our marketing, diversity in our product and, you know, our tourism product

1986
02:51:03,740 --> 02:51:04,520
and things like that.

1987
02:51:04,840 --> 02:51:06,560
So they're pretty broad topics.

1988
02:51:07,260 --> 02:51:11,900
The initial work sessions will look at them kind of holistically, sustainability is also

1989
02:51:11,900 --> 02:51:12,880
a very broad topic.

1990
02:51:13,460 --> 02:51:18,860
It could be sustainability in terms of our environment, our trails, our natural resources,

1991
02:51:18,880 --> 02:51:23,820
but it's also the sustainability of the well-being of our community and the sustainability of our

1992
02:51:23,820 --> 02:51:24,660
tourism economy.

1993
02:51:24,660 --> 02:51:30,920
So, the plan is to have sort of an overall work session and then I see different types

1994
02:51:30,920 --> 02:51:35,420
of goals coming out of those sessions that will require further work because of both

1995
02:51:35,420 --> 02:51:36,420
very broad topics.

1996
02:51:37,880 --> 02:51:41,460
And then in December, we're working on two community visioning workshops.

1997
02:51:41,960 --> 02:51:46,920
We have penciled in December 3rd and 4th and I'll send you an invite with all the details.

1998
02:51:47,220 --> 02:51:50,680
December 3rd is planned as an afternoon session.

1999
02:51:50,680 --> 02:51:54,880
our thought is, you know, hopefully people are out skiing on some great powder by then.

2000
02:51:55,880 --> 02:52:03,300
And then they come down and we have something at base village where we invite the community to come away in on these different topics.

2001
02:52:03,620 --> 02:52:07,620
And then we host like a happy hour, so it'll be casual, it'll be open to anybody.

2002
02:52:08,240 --> 02:52:12,240
It'd be sort of like an open house feeling like if you can't stay for two hours, you don't have to.

2003
02:52:12,340 --> 02:52:17,100
But we really want to invite the community to come in and all of you to come in and be part of the plan.

2004
02:52:17,100 --> 02:52:22,300
and then December 4th, we will probably hold something here or in more of a conference

2005
02:52:22,300 --> 02:52:25,940
room setting focused on more of our tourism stakeholders.

2006
02:52:27,900 --> 02:52:34,620
And so those two will be really key feedback loops for this plan along with those surveys.

2007
02:52:35,440 --> 02:52:40,700
We're also looking at about 10 to 15 individual interviews with key stakeholders and we're just

2008
02:52:40,700 --> 02:52:41,760
putting that list together.

2009
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:46,480
We want to make sure we have a really broad spectrum of stakeholders that will have different

2010
02:52:46,480 --> 02:52:48,100
and thoughts about the future of snowmass

2011
02:52:48,100 --> 02:52:50,300
and those will be individual interviews

2012
02:52:50,300 --> 02:52:51,800
with our consultant road map

2013
02:52:51,800 --> 02:52:53,740
and there'll be about 45 minutes in length

2014
02:52:53,740 --> 02:52:55,980
and so all of that will go into the plan.

2015
02:52:56,580 --> 02:52:59,240
So then I assume when you do all this

2016
02:52:59,240 --> 02:53:02,020
then there's a draft and it'll be brought to us

2017
02:53:02,020 --> 02:53:04,520
well the chance to weigh in on it.

2018
02:53:04,620 --> 02:53:07,520
So all this is very impactful on the community

2019
02:53:07,520 --> 02:53:07,740
and the community.

2020
02:53:07,740 --> 02:53:08,280
Yes, absolutely.

2021
02:53:09,320 --> 02:53:11,800
What's not listed here is that there will be

2022
02:53:11,800 --> 02:53:13,400
a work session with council.

2023
02:53:13,400 --> 02:53:17,360
So they'll be, I don't know if work session is the right word, but a session.

2024
02:53:17,720 --> 02:53:18,680
A meeting is called a meeting.

2025
02:53:19,120 --> 02:53:19,720
We'll figure out the format.

2026
02:53:19,860 --> 02:53:24,820
Yeah, there's also going to be a meeting engaging the department heads, the tenant department

2027
02:53:24,820 --> 02:53:25,180
heads.

2028
02:53:26,140 --> 02:53:31,540
And then what's not calendared out yet, but in the new year is exactly what you said is that

2029
02:53:31,540 --> 02:53:36,300
we will have a draft plan that's presented to these various, including yourselves and

2030
02:53:36,300 --> 02:53:40,980
these various committees and then time for feedback on the plan before we go to a final plan.

2031
02:53:41,540 --> 02:53:44,120
and the final rule wouldn't need to be approved by Council.

2032
02:53:44,440 --> 02:53:44,820
Eventually.

2033
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:45,240
Yeah.

2034
02:53:45,880 --> 02:53:46,920
And the tourism board?

2035
02:53:47,240 --> 02:53:48,020
And the tourism board.

2036
02:53:48,320 --> 02:53:48,480
Sure.

2037
02:53:48,900 --> 02:53:48,940
Yeah.

2038
02:53:49,240 --> 02:53:52,560
And these work sessions would be sometime coming up.

2039
02:53:53,040 --> 02:53:53,200
November.

2040
02:53:54,080 --> 02:53:54,560
Pased.

2041
02:53:54,740 --> 02:54:00,020
The sustainability in DEIA, we're working on those lists of who we want on those work sessions.

2042
02:54:00,280 --> 02:54:03,440
So again, we want to have like a broad base of different people.

2043
02:54:03,780 --> 02:54:05,700
You're anybody's welcome to join those.

2044
02:54:05,940 --> 02:54:09,360
And then I don't know that the meetings will actually be held in November.

2045
02:54:09,360 --> 02:54:16,020
they may be kind of formalized in November and meet sometime in November December, avoiding

2046
02:54:16,020 --> 02:54:22,620
obviously the holidays. So we're just our council. And then for council, I believe post-election

2047
02:54:22,620 --> 02:54:30,520
will schedule a session to come and do some planning on that as well. And then in Q1 of next

2048
02:54:30,520 --> 02:54:36,340
year, we'll be more of a draft plan, we'll be presented, you know, time for review and then more

2049
02:54:36,340 --> 02:54:39,180
of a final plan with the goal of the final plan

2050
02:54:39,180 --> 02:54:41,600
being completed sort of March-April,

2051
02:54:41,800 --> 02:54:44,720
but some flexibility on that, if it takes longer,

2052
02:54:45,180 --> 02:54:47,300
we obviously are, you know, want to get it right,

2053
02:54:47,480 --> 02:54:49,260
and want to get the input that we think is important

2054
02:54:49,260 --> 02:54:49,880
to this plan.

2055
02:54:50,720 --> 02:54:52,400
So I'm really excited about this work.

2056
02:54:52,680 --> 02:54:56,960
It's kind of new work, and I think in the last five,

2057
02:54:56,960 --> 02:54:59,620
or so years, the tourism ministry has really taken

2058
02:54:59,620 --> 02:54:59,940
a different,

2059
02:55:00,840 --> 02:55:29,980
I know some of the stakeholders have said, why are you doing this? Some people are questioning the why, and it's really important that we are not just coming up with strategy that works for the tourism board or the tourism department, but it's really a community-based plan. I think the trend in the last five years that the tourism ministry is really looking at what's good for the visitor also has to be good for the community, because you have to have that holistic look at the community and residents and visitors both having really good

2060
02:55:29,980 --> 02:55:34,540
experiences. And so I'm excited to do this work with both the community and our tourism

2061
02:55:34,540 --> 02:55:38,760
stakeholders to come up with the plan and then bring it to, you know, have you guys input

2062
02:55:38,760 --> 02:55:40,120
in the work and then bring it to you.

2063
02:55:41,080 --> 02:55:47,460
Awesome. That's such an experience from Snowmass's history of resort community efforts for

2064
02:55:47,460 --> 02:55:51,300
balance. Yeah. I think it'll be great. I think it'll be a great process. And like I've

2065
02:55:51,300 --> 02:55:54,560
told people, it should be fun. It should be engaging and it should be inspiring because

2066
02:55:54,560 --> 02:55:58,360
as you've seen at some of the, you know, tourism talks and things, it's talking about like,

2067
02:55:58,360 --> 02:56:02,400
But what is your ideal future look like and that's really what we want to strive for is

2068
02:56:02,400 --> 02:56:08,460
a place that visitors love and come back to and that community is, you know, feels like

2069
02:56:08,460 --> 02:56:11,020
that we have their best interest at heart and we're working for them too.

2070
02:56:12,940 --> 02:56:16,100
And I think that's the end of it unless there's any questions.

2071
02:56:17,580 --> 02:56:22,000
Another question about our capital projects.

2072
02:56:22,160 --> 02:56:24,060
How much do we have in the budget for the Skittles?

2073
02:56:24,380 --> 02:56:26,180
How much have we banked so far?

2074
02:56:28,600 --> 02:56:38,200
Let's see, let's say it's something over 2 million, like 2.6, 2.8, something like that.

2075
02:56:38,360 --> 02:56:39,600
I'm going under, I'm going to do 4.

2076
02:56:40,220 --> 02:56:42,560
Let's see, surprise.

2077
02:56:43,360 --> 02:56:51,040
Well, at the end of this year, it'll be 2.8 because there's about 2.4 at the ending bounds,

2078
02:56:51,140 --> 02:56:55,240
but that assumes we spend 400,000, which we're not going to this year.

2079
02:56:55,240 --> 02:56:59,240
So that'll make it 2.8 and plus another 4 next year.

2080
02:56:59,520 --> 02:57:06,040
So we have 2.8 allocated for Skittles replacement in a savings account, yeah.

2081
02:57:07,320 --> 02:57:10,200
And I thought we'd save more than that by now, but no.

2082
02:57:10,660 --> 02:57:14,000
It's been 400 a year for five years, six years.

2083
02:57:14,560 --> 02:57:22,380
So that's yeah, because in the beginning, when we were transferring over 400,000,

2084
02:57:22,380 --> 02:57:25,820
and it was to pay also for any projects that tourism had.

2085
02:57:26,880 --> 02:57:30,320
So the whole 400 wasn't set aside in those beginning years.

2086
02:57:30,740 --> 02:57:32,780
And I guess we've spent some on it as well, right?

2087
02:57:32,820 --> 02:57:35,120
We had to put a new rope on and we had some maintenance.

2088
02:57:35,860 --> 02:57:40,760
And well, that's where, this is one of the other topics is just

2089
02:57:40,760 --> 02:57:43,800
to run through the GID budget real quick,

2090
02:57:43,800 --> 02:57:45,600
and that's where those expenses are.

2091
02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:49,160
And then to see if there was any other questions in the packet

2092
02:57:49,160 --> 02:57:56,680
because next week, you know, we should be able to wrap it up by doing the CIP fund and

2093
02:57:56,680 --> 02:57:59,540
then adoption on the 6th.

2094
02:57:59,720 --> 02:58:06,360
And Julia, just as far as the Mastodons go, have you involved the Arts Advisory Board

2095
02:58:06,360 --> 02:58:06,660
at all?

2096
02:58:06,900 --> 02:58:07,220
Oh, yeah.

2097
02:58:07,580 --> 02:58:08,020
Sorry.

2098
02:58:08,420 --> 02:58:12,160
I failed to say that, but they unanimously approved the project.

2099
02:58:12,680 --> 02:58:13,680
I'm very excited about it.

2100
02:58:14,060 --> 02:58:15,180
I mean, it looks great.

2101
02:58:15,420 --> 02:58:15,640
Yeah.

2102
02:58:15,740 --> 02:58:16,020
I'm excited.

2103
02:58:16,020 --> 02:58:18,380
Any other questions?

2104
02:58:20,960 --> 02:58:23,780
On one special event or just events?

2105
02:58:24,120 --> 02:58:28,100
How much flexibility does the budget allow for new ideas?

2106
02:58:29,100 --> 02:58:34,360
If it's not scheduled now, is there any room for events to come in?

2107
02:58:34,760 --> 02:58:40,480
Yeah, we do build some contingency in both the winter and summer events budget.

2108
02:58:40,480 --> 02:58:43,680
And then we do have some contingency in the

2109
02:58:44,260 --> 02:58:46,260
decision-marketing plan process as well.

2110
02:58:46,680 --> 02:58:49,760
So depending on what ideas come out of that,

2111
02:58:50,080 --> 02:58:51,240
we would probably have to prioritize,

2112
02:58:51,240 --> 02:58:53,620
because there's not a huge budget attached to it,

2113
02:58:53,660 --> 02:58:55,500
but I wanted to make sure we had some monies

2114
02:58:55,500 --> 02:58:59,740
to support ideas that were kind of the low hanging fruit

2115
02:58:59,740 --> 02:59:01,440
or the shorter term ideas.

2116
02:59:01,760 --> 02:59:04,100
So there's some different opportunities there.

2117
02:59:05,280 --> 02:59:07,300
And typically, unless it's a small event,

2118
02:59:07,680 --> 02:59:09,440
a lot of events, if you're bringing in a new event,

2119
02:59:09,440 --> 02:59:13,480
isn't probably going to happen in the same budget year if it's you know a big signature event

2120
02:59:13,480 --> 02:59:17,680
that would take some time to build so it could be budgeted in future years but would you build

2121
02:59:17,680 --> 02:59:21,980
contingency and all those line items to you know facilitate new ideas and some innovation.

2122
02:59:27,390 --> 02:59:31,950
Great thank you. Yeah good info. Thank you. It's good stuff going on. Thanks for that.

2123
02:59:32,270 --> 02:59:40,270
Thank you. So we'll try to wrap this up quickly. Let's look at the GID budget first.

2124
02:59:40,750 --> 02:59:42,390
It's page 165.

2125
02:59:43,230 --> 02:59:44,670
And this is just kind of an overview.

2126
02:59:44,810 --> 02:59:46,790
We don't have to put our GID hats on, right?

2127
02:59:46,830 --> 02:59:53,190
No, no, Clint thought that this might be a good idea to go ahead and get through this budget.

2128
02:59:53,410 --> 02:59:57,390
And then we'll do adoption as the GID board on November 6th.

2129
02:59:57,390 --> 02:59:59,030
We won't have to go back through this.

2130
02:59:59,450 --> 02:59:59,970
Okay, great.

2131
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,980
And if there are questions, we'll be ready for them. So the couple of things, just to point out, you will be doing a GID revised budget also on the sixth. If you look down the 2004 variance column, it's mostly for two lines down there. The Skittles, the SkyCab operating is going to end up over budget by $13,000. The winter hours, we were

2132
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:32,020
or any other anyone that is waiting?

2133
03:00:32,500 --> 03:00:32,680
Whoa.

2134
03:00:38,560 --> 03:00:41,900
Theuity or the winter operating hours

2135
03:00:41,900 --> 03:00:45,340
were scheduled originally budgeted to end at 9 o'clock

2136
03:00:45,880 --> 03:00:49,260
and they actually ended at 9'30.

2137
03:00:49,580 --> 03:00:51,180
So they had an extra half hour to pay.

2138
03:00:51,720 --> 03:00:55,360
Those same hours are budgeted for in 2025.

2139
03:00:55,360 --> 03:01:03,120
And then the other big increase was the snow melting for lower carriageways.

2140
03:01:03,480 --> 03:01:06,860
So that is over by 37,000.

2141
03:01:07,000 --> 03:01:10,020
Most of that is black hills gas.

2142
03:01:10,900 --> 03:01:16,720
And it had to do with the work that and the team were doing on the vaults.

2143
03:01:17,180 --> 03:01:23,720
And they had to run the snow melting greater and longer than what they had anticipated.

2144
03:01:23,720 --> 03:01:35,040
So it's those two lines in 2025 that one, that'll be a separate resolution that you'll be adopting.

2145
03:01:35,500 --> 03:01:38,280
Property taxes, the mills stay the same.

2146
03:01:38,920 --> 03:01:44,760
If you recall, it's six mills and it'll stay that way until the bonds pay off or pay off.

2147
03:01:45,680 --> 03:01:53,580
That, where's the town's assessed value only went up less than 1% the assessed value because of new construction for

2148
03:01:53,580 --> 03:02:01,460
the GID went up 12.4%, so we have some additional income coming in.

2149
03:02:02,600 --> 03:02:05,060
Interest income will be decreased.

2150
03:02:06,460 --> 03:02:16,480
The expenses are like 5% increases, like I said the SkyCab, that increases the same hours,

2151
03:02:16,740 --> 03:02:21,220
but we're anticipating that the ski company will increase their rates.

2152
03:02:21,220 --> 03:02:30,880
I have budgeted 7% for that and then snow melting will go down next year and

2153
03:02:30,880 --> 03:02:35,680
anticipates because we won't be running the snow melting for that long.

2154
03:02:36,040 --> 03:02:46,340
So that is the key budget because the vault will be fixed hopefully sometime in 2025.

2155
03:02:47,260 --> 03:02:48,800
Any questions on that budget?

2156
03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:54,380
I had a question about the Skittles, I mean

2157
03:02:56,590 --> 03:03:01,950
all the way it took, in 20, what is it, in 2029, is that what the year is?

2158
03:03:03,210 --> 03:03:06,710
Yeah, it shows it's like $445,000.

2159
03:03:07,010 --> 03:03:17,570
I'm increasing it by 7%, every single year, because their payroll and their benefit costs go up, as well as any of their operating costs.

2160
03:03:17,570 --> 03:03:26,550
So, but I know we've talked about it before and we received emails from Pat Kiefer about

2161
03:03:26,550 --> 03:03:32,390
ski co-contributing more, contributing to the summer skittles.

2162
03:03:34,170 --> 03:03:37,750
Right. Well, so that's mean, and you guys when you adopted the master plan, the mountain

2163
03:03:37,750 --> 03:03:42,470
master plan, they're required to come back at the end of December with a framework for that.

2164
03:03:42,790 --> 03:03:44,130
And so we don't have that yet.

2165
03:03:44,130 --> 03:03:51,110
But once we do, this will, I mean, hopefully it's going to, I mean, the fact is, is that it

2166
03:03:51,110 --> 03:03:53,790
is a pinnacle whether it's in the winter or the summer.

2167
03:03:54,130 --> 03:03:55,630
And I don't think they can deny that.

2168
03:03:55,690 --> 03:03:57,230
And I think a lot has changed on the mountain.

2169
03:03:57,230 --> 03:04:01,350
And I really think that they need to be paying more of a fair share for the summer.

2170
03:04:02,210 --> 03:04:02,310
Yeah.

2171
03:04:03,150 --> 03:04:06,010
So three of you, three of the five of you guys have got this update for me.

2172
03:04:06,050 --> 03:04:08,590
So I owe you some, we continue those discussions.

2173
03:04:09,030 --> 03:04:21,230
We expect you guys to, we expect something to come back from the ski company by the end of December to hit that master plan requirement, but it's going to be, it's not automatic in the mind, that's for sure.

2174
03:04:23,030 --> 03:04:29,350
There, there's a number of funding sources they want us to look at. There's a lot of expansion ideas of the GID. There's a lot of different things.

2175
03:04:29,350 --> 03:04:37,710
and so anyhow, that is still being worked on actively, but this budget does not reflect

2176
03:04:37,710 --> 03:04:39,310
that yes, we don't have an agreement in place.

2177
03:04:41,170 --> 03:04:46,130
I mean, theoretically, I guess, if we've gotten, if we struck a deal and got to work,

2178
03:04:46,350 --> 03:04:49,770
yeah, potentially, but we'll just have to set this up so it's, yeah.

2179
03:04:49,770 --> 03:04:50,790
Okay.

2180
03:04:51,870 --> 03:04:59,690
I mean, what point does it make sense for the GID to take over operations of this?

2181
03:04:59,690 --> 03:04:59,970
you

2182
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,980
All right, let's take a look at the details. Will we pay for it? Do you mean, rather than having the ski company around it? Well, they're trained to do it, so the town would have to hire. That would take us. That would, that would mean off the cup. That'd be tough because I don't know how to run a ski lift and I'd have to hire someone to do that. I mean, there's just a level of expertise that we don't have. But I mean, but it would, would it be the town or would it be the GID? Yeah, I mean, it'd be the GID funding it. And I'm assuming that GID

2183
03:05:29,980 --> 03:05:40,080
with an idea within contract with the town, just like the GID contracts with the town for the finance department and the town manager and legal, I mean, it's the same people just a different funding source.

2184
03:05:42,080 --> 03:05:51,900
And if we hired, I don't know how many employees it takes to run that, but two on the bottom two on the, I would imagine it takes at least six people to run that as many hours as it does.

2185
03:05:52,780 --> 03:05:59,000
I mean, it would just take, we could work through that, but we've never even considered it to this point.

2186
03:05:59,860 --> 03:06:05,620
Right now, and I have to go back and reread the operating agreement, the 2004 operating agreement,

2187
03:06:05,980 --> 03:06:11,420
but I think what it says is, the ski company runs it and the GID pays for it, but I'd have to go back.

2188
03:06:11,660 --> 03:06:18,260
There's decades of agreements behind that, and so I'm not even close to prepared to answer that question.

2189
03:06:19,420 --> 03:06:29,680
And so the last thing for tonight is you've got a lot of information at our last budget

2190
03:06:29,680 --> 03:06:36,180
meeting for all the changes that were occurring in the budget and we hit some of these beginning

2191
03:06:36,180 --> 03:06:44,840
pages in the budget which actually summarizes a lot of information and if we're going to do

2192
03:06:44,840 --> 03:06:51,200
So the CIP next week, I just wanted to make sure that after you've looked at the packet

2193
03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:53,800
now for maybe two weeks.

2194
03:06:54,560 --> 03:07:01,020
And if you had any other questions on anything else in the packet, don't assume that we

2195
03:07:01,020 --> 03:07:03,620
won't have some next week on the social media.

2196
03:07:03,860 --> 03:07:04,460
This is it.

2197
03:07:05,600 --> 03:07:06,440
Speak now.

2198
03:07:06,700 --> 03:07:08,320
And I'll ask questions to smidge different.

2199
03:07:08,520 --> 03:07:13,320
If there's something you want more information on or more detail, we just need to, I mean,

2200
03:07:13,320 --> 03:07:15,540
If you tell us in advance, we could be a preference for you.

2201
03:07:16,400 --> 03:07:23,300
I have one that, not directly what we've looked at, but some I like to do some research for our next meeting.

2202
03:07:24,560 --> 03:07:30,740
And this has to do with the rodeo, we've heard it from the community, people are not happy with the way it looks.

2203
03:07:31,800 --> 03:07:38,200
I like to have some money in the budget for next year to do major landscaping around it.

2204
03:07:40,100 --> 03:07:59,680
look at maybe painting the stands and having some sort of a gait at the entrance off of the roundabout so you just don't look into the dirt field, my guess of probably $250,000 for something like all that, but I think we should look at it and we get some money in the budget.

2205
03:07:59,680 --> 03:08:10,660
And I'd be curious about some kind of awnings to go over the stands and there are good

2206
03:08:10,660 --> 03:08:19,300
examples of organic, like structured, structural options that can give it a more organic, I

2207
03:08:19,300 --> 03:08:23,220
know it's big, but I'd be curious to know about that because that's another way to kind

2208
03:08:23,220 --> 03:08:26,720
of lessen the visual impact of the stands.

2209
03:08:26,720 --> 03:08:33,720
actually. Well, I'll show you the example. Yeah, if we're bringing that topic

2210
03:08:33,720 --> 03:08:37,500
to the conversation. Yeah, well, and I know the part of the open space and

2211
03:08:37,500 --> 03:08:42,820
trail poster committee started this discussion last week. And so they have

2212
03:08:42,820 --> 03:08:47,220
the same concept. And so next week, if you guys say, hey, we know there's not a

2213
03:08:47,220 --> 03:08:51,240
solution yet, but let's plug in pick your dollar amount for and we'll do a

2214
03:08:51,240 --> 03:08:54,760
second number. Yeah, yeah, we'll have a little more information. We just started

2215
03:08:54,760 --> 03:08:58,240
last week. So I don't have a whole lot of numbers yet. But yeah, we knew that's a topic of

2216
03:08:58,240 --> 03:09:03,100
conversation. And I mean, obviously, you know, painting is an option for sure. You can paint

2217
03:09:03,100 --> 03:09:09,020
aluminum. I mean, yes, but that would that kind of feedback next week. We don't need to solve it,

2218
03:09:09,020 --> 03:09:13,620
but let's get some money in the budget. But if you agree, as the council say, yes, we should find some

2219
03:09:13,620 --> 03:09:18,600
way to make that grandstand appearance less. And whatever, that's great direction. And we can

2220
03:09:18,600 --> 03:09:23,560
plug something. Yeah. Well, I'd like to hear what the poster board came up with last week,

2221
03:09:23,560 --> 03:09:27,200
Well, they literally threw one of the poster board members only.

2222
03:09:27,380 --> 03:09:31,700
They just kind of threw it out at the end as like food for thought, like start thinking about it.

2223
03:09:31,880 --> 03:09:34,560
So I'm sure it's probably going to be a discussion for the next time.

2224
03:09:34,800 --> 03:09:40,600
I know it was a late agenda item and I know that the meeting went way long and I, yes, I know it was more like,

2225
03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:42,280
think about it, come back with some ideas.

2226
03:09:42,440 --> 03:09:44,080
It is a topic that they're interested in.

2227
03:09:44,160 --> 03:09:46,780
Let's think about enough that we can put a number in the budget.

2228
03:09:46,780 --> 03:09:55,100
But I think we really should think about what that entryway is going to look like.

2229
03:09:55,320 --> 03:09:59,980
Because I mean, we saw some drafts where there was much more of...

2230
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:16,940
We have a kind of a facade when you came around the roundabout. And I think even if there's like some planting on the corner of the rodeo, I think that was soft in it, but I think there's, you know, I think there's some stuff that we can do to just kinda make that experience better.

2231
03:10:17,720 --> 03:10:23,660
So we're doing your solve, but let's have a reasonable number in the budget so we can work on it next year.

2232
03:10:24,040 --> 03:10:24,140
Okay.

2233
03:10:24,900 --> 03:10:27,440
We, who's ever here can work on it next year.

2234
03:10:31,450 --> 03:10:34,610
That's a great example of those kinds of projects that we've got to plug them in.

2235
03:10:35,090 --> 03:10:35,530
Yes, please.

2236
03:10:35,690 --> 03:10:35,790
It's great.

2237
03:10:36,010 --> 03:10:36,710
Let's know as a priority.

2238
03:10:39,110 --> 03:10:43,050
I apologize I wasn't here at the last meeting, so I have a question that might have already been.

2239
03:10:43,790 --> 03:10:44,770
I don't think it was.

2240
03:10:44,770 --> 03:11:01,770
But the snowmass in exterior, so there's carryover from this past year, what was accomplished and what was budgeted for last year, for the exterior improvements on this?

2241
03:11:02,210 --> 03:11:04,430
Two million dollars total is budgeted.

2242
03:11:04,790 --> 03:11:07,370
Today, the only thing that's been completed is the roof.

2243
03:11:07,950 --> 03:11:10,910
When we put the budget which was two or three hundred thousand.

2244
03:11:11,970 --> 03:11:12,530
Originally?

2245
03:11:12,530 --> 03:11:14,230
No, when we just did the roof of the slush.

2246
03:11:14,330 --> 03:11:14,870
Oh, yeah.

2247
03:11:15,010 --> 03:11:16,350
Let me just say 300,000.

2248
03:11:16,410 --> 03:11:16,970
I can't remember the number.

2249
03:11:17,650 --> 03:11:22,170
And so what we were hoping to do is get much further along in the rails and the doors.

2250
03:11:22,890 --> 03:11:27,750
And when we put it out the bid, we learned that we didn't have the detail that the contractors needed.

2251
03:11:27,870 --> 03:11:29,030
So we needed to pull the bid back.

2252
03:11:29,650 --> 03:11:34,050
And so when we put the budget together, we anticipated having a million spent and a million to go.

2253
03:11:34,490 --> 03:11:36,570
And I don't think we're going to have that million spent this year.

2254
03:11:36,870 --> 03:11:40,090
And so we will end up rolling over 1.7 million.

2255
03:11:40,090 --> 03:11:42,450
I can't remember the roof cost, but that difference.

2256
03:11:42,770 --> 03:11:45,130
We will roll over more money to next year's project.

2257
03:11:45,170 --> 03:11:47,490
And so that's exterior improvements?

2258
03:11:47,490 --> 03:11:52,330
Will that include landscape improvements along the pathway of the benefit of child?

2259
03:11:52,730 --> 03:11:57,950
And so I think we've got, I'm doing the budget for my head, but it's like about 250 or

2260
03:11:57,950 --> 03:11:59,510
200 for that park area.

2261
03:12:00,030 --> 03:12:04,510
And if you've been up there in the last two weeks or so, we have started doing this.

2262
03:12:04,550 --> 03:12:06,770
There's a significant cleaning, whatever.

2263
03:12:06,770 --> 03:12:32,010
whatever. We know the water feature needs to be improved. If you've been there before, the stairway, of course you've been there before, but I mean, if the stairway used to end in the cul-de-sac, and the snow would always get pushed over into that, and so it didn't work, that stairway is going to be moved to end up closer to the front door, the snowmessing, and so that that stairway can become a year-round, that walkway can become a year-round. And so those all those kinds of things are being worked through right now.

2264
03:12:32,010 --> 03:12:38,870
And will that budget expand to include further improvements down the Benedict

2265
03:12:38,870 --> 03:12:44,070
Trailer? Is that just the way the council appropriated it was snowmessing?

2266
03:12:44,270 --> 03:12:46,630
So it's just that block, call it.

2267
03:12:46,910 --> 03:12:52,470
And do we have anything in the budget for anything more on Benedict Trail?

2268
03:12:53,070 --> 03:12:56,510
Not right now. Essentially right now it's private property, not essentially.

2269
03:12:56,690 --> 03:12:57,490
It is private property.

2270
03:12:58,650 --> 03:13:06,150
So if you all said, hey, we want to really find ways to improve the Benedict Trail, we could start doing that.

2271
03:13:06,310 --> 03:13:09,170
But at this point, it's all about property.

2272
03:13:09,350 --> 03:13:17,750
There's an easement that you can walk through on the sidewalk, but we don't own anything to make improvements to besides because we bought the end, we own that property there.

2273
03:13:19,700 --> 03:13:27,520
But again, that's another good example, if you said, hey, this is something we want to be looking at, start planning for and thinking about.

2274
03:13:27,520 --> 03:13:33,600
I mean, there could be easements acquired in all sorts of ways to do things, but that needs to be a priority set by y'all.

2275
03:13:33,980 --> 03:13:54,240
I mean, honestly, I think it's an incredible experience for visitors and locals alike, and we used to use it all the time, and now it's not connected anymore, it's disconnected, and it really, I think, could be an incredible, walkable feature to our town that keeps you off the sidewalk from, you know, you're not going to go home.

2276
03:13:54,240 --> 03:14:02,720
but the question now is because everybody's different attitudes about strangers and stuff that, you know,

2277
03:14:03,040 --> 03:14:08,560
were the people that owned those easements or owned that area that we need to walk through?

2278
03:14:08,740 --> 03:14:15,420
Are they agreeable to improving it or are they saying we don't want people from our house?

2279
03:14:15,420 --> 03:14:16,000
Interesting, yeah.

2280
03:14:16,480 --> 03:14:18,380
I think that would be step one.

2281
03:14:18,960 --> 03:14:28,460
Yeah, well, we had a walk through schedule, but I mean, it's a way different trail now than it once was.

2282
03:14:28,460 --> 03:14:29,220
Yeah, I agree.

2283
03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:32,180
It really does go close to a lot of condos.

2284
03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:38,680
It's just like some stone steps in places.

2285
03:14:39,020 --> 03:14:42,740
It's not what it once was.

2286
03:14:43,260 --> 03:14:45,700
But it could be, I mean, if we wanted it to be.

2287
03:14:45,700 --> 03:14:52,160
So really the question should be should we put some money into the budget to study it like a hundred thousand dollars or something and

2288
03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:59,900
So we've got you've done that if you remember when we did the Connecting the Nodes which we put I think believe full on a thousand start with that's one of the nodes in the

2289
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,180
The candidate trail was one of those. And what we said is, let's tackle between the center and base village first. And so if you guys, I don't even think you have to be in a budget exercise necessarily. But if you said, hey, let's make sure this project happens next year. I just, again, I need that kind of direction. And we can find out ways to do it, but off the cuff. I don't even, I think we've got some dollars. We could start with, but we're starting with that. We have dollars for next little be in next year's budget. You know, I'm too far off the cuff, but yes, I think we could. But again, if that's something to think about,

2290
03:15:29,180 --> 03:15:33,240
Let us come back to you with a plan and we can say here's where we think we should do this.

2291
03:15:37,190 --> 03:15:42,590
Why don't you just let the next mean just throw out or something at us that what we might consider.

2292
03:15:42,790 --> 03:15:49,390
And what I'm hoping is that I remember this correctly and we've got a big chunk and we just need to execute the next phase that plan, get the next phase going.

2293
03:15:50,350 --> 03:15:50,730
All right.

2294
03:15:50,890 --> 03:15:51,950
I don't want to commit to that.

2295
03:15:52,690 --> 03:16:01,630
Well, and in the meantime, it might be interesting to just explore, you know, what accessible routes we even could accomplish.

2296
03:16:01,630 --> 03:16:12,170
to connect that if it's not, you can't connect it, because we've got private entities that are not going to welcome that, then it might be a midpoint, but it's interesting.

2297
03:16:12,250 --> 03:16:27,390
And that's why, if I'm remembering right and there are dollars, that first thing we might spend money on is let's get an easement, let's do a survey, let's find out where all the easements are, let's find out where our rights are, let's find out where those roadblocks may or may not be, and that might be that first step.

2298
03:16:27,390 --> 03:16:31,410
I mean, like how much we've just said, get all that information.

2299
03:16:32,250 --> 03:16:34,190
I mean, I think I'd like to see that in the budget.

2300
03:16:35,290 --> 03:16:39,010
And so, we'll get some members, I think it's got information on this.

2301
03:16:39,150 --> 03:16:41,750
We know what we got, a lot of money in this.

2302
03:16:41,750 --> 03:16:46,610
Yeah, we'll be walking through these next week, and we'll be here as well, so.

2303
03:16:47,070 --> 03:16:53,070
I think we need to do some outreach to those property owners as well, because we don't want to end up in a lawsuit.

2304
03:16:53,070 --> 03:16:59,930
Oh, definitely, but I think we first need to understand who owns this or do we own this?

2305
03:17:00,030 --> 03:17:00,570
Do they own that?

2306
03:17:00,790 --> 03:17:03,030
Do we have an easement before we talk to them?

2307
03:17:03,130 --> 03:17:03,890
That's all I'm saying.

2308
03:17:03,990 --> 03:17:04,770
Let's do our homework.

2309
03:17:05,310 --> 03:17:06,810
Whatever it takes to do that.

2310
03:17:07,050 --> 03:17:09,550
And then we can talk to people if there's something we want to do.

2311
03:17:10,750 --> 03:17:11,150
Definitely.

2312
03:17:12,710 --> 03:17:16,170
I just remember I was really excited about it until I went and started walking in.

2313
03:17:16,270 --> 03:17:21,090
And I was like, you know, much recently, you mean, yeah, I mean, it's just because you

2314
03:17:21,090 --> 03:17:21,970
know what it was.

2315
03:17:21,970 --> 03:17:29,790
Yeah, you end up being dropped out like in a middle of nowhere because they took out those steps and stuff. Yeah, right. I agree.

2316
03:17:33,430 --> 03:17:39,650
I'm the agenda for tonight. Did mention the EAB request? Are we going to talk about that?

2317
03:17:40,550 --> 03:17:49,530
Was that tonight or I can't remember. Well, unless I looked at something wrong, but you were okay. I'm sorry. I was I got disoriented because that was not okay.

2318
03:17:49,530 --> 03:17:50,830
Okay, it did say that on there.

2319
03:17:51,530 --> 03:17:53,850
So let me go to that real quick, and I'm going to do that.

2320
03:17:54,730 --> 03:17:59,170
So obviously the EAB, that obviously, that is obvious.

2321
03:17:59,390 --> 03:18:04,570
They did make a request for a position you all, and it was not in the budget.

2322
03:18:04,870 --> 03:18:13,550
And so the idea that I'd like to put forward is that we include an additional $300,000 from the re-op fund.

2323
03:18:13,850 --> 03:18:16,110
That's what we talked about, re-op fund.

2324
03:18:16,110 --> 03:18:21,170
And for potential consulting services to help reach those goals.

2325
03:18:21,690 --> 03:18:25,770
Their point largely was, hey, there's a lot of things we should be doing more of.

2326
03:18:27,350 --> 03:18:33,210
And I think we all would all agree making advances towards those goals are a very good idea.

2327
03:18:33,950 --> 03:18:37,290
But hiring a full-time position is difficult.

2328
03:18:37,910 --> 03:18:42,710
And so if we took, came back to you all with without necessarily a plan of action,

2329
03:18:42,750 --> 03:18:45,990
but a budget number to say, here's a chunk that we could do.

2330
03:18:45,990 --> 03:18:51,730
And sustainability plan is, it's either 8 or 12 steps, and I'm blanking which is what it is.

2331
03:18:51,890 --> 03:18:52,850
But there's ways to do that.

2332
03:18:53,330 --> 03:18:57,770
And core does, they focus on buildings, and that's two of the 10 potentially.

2333
03:18:58,290 --> 03:19:01,910
And so maybe we do something with core, or maybe we do something with somebody else, but

2334
03:19:01,910 --> 03:19:06,750
we say, okay, what parts of the sustainability plan do you want to tackle, and

2335
03:19:06,750 --> 03:19:11,830
work with the AB on that, and use it as a consulting service rather than a full time employee.

2336
03:19:12,570 --> 03:19:13,770
We already think that that might be.

2337
03:19:13,770 --> 03:19:14,790
I'm going to agree with it.

2338
03:19:14,970 --> 03:19:18,710
I think it's hard to bring somebody in that role

2339
03:19:18,710 --> 03:19:22,050
and give them real authority into an existing organization.

2340
03:19:22,670 --> 03:19:24,410
It's not necessarily have a whole department.

2341
03:19:24,730 --> 03:19:26,150
I mean, when you look up to the vastment

2342
03:19:26,150 --> 03:19:29,210
and they have like 10 people, yeah, but evolve over time.

2343
03:19:29,610 --> 03:19:29,690
Right.

2344
03:19:30,390 --> 03:19:33,770
I mean, I get, I mean, yeah, it's like two hours of Greg's week.

2345
03:19:34,630 --> 03:19:35,770
So it's not a whole thing.

2346
03:19:35,770 --> 03:19:43,470
Did, did you, does the AAB have you discussed this idea with them

2347
03:19:43,470 --> 03:19:46,070
versus, like, hiring a full-time person.

2348
03:19:46,550 --> 03:19:46,890
I have not.

2349
03:19:47,150 --> 03:19:51,030
I mean, I think one of their points when they came to talk to us is they just wanted to make

2350
03:19:51,030 --> 03:19:56,030
sure there was someone that was here that was sort of coordinating between all the different

2351
03:19:56,030 --> 03:19:56,470
departments.

2352
03:19:56,650 --> 03:19:59,650
I mean, that was my takeaway from what they said when they came.

2353
03:20:00,880 --> 03:20:30,320
Yes, that's how I understand it also, and I honestly think that would be a very difficult position to hire for. And I mean, to the director's credit, I mean, you can talk to Julia or Anne, or when they think about their projects, they do think about environmental issues. And that's when we're doing the design for housing. We know that we should be going towards electrical. And these are not foreign concepts to any of us. And so I don't know that that coordination needs to happen. I think somebody telling us what's the next best next step would be great.

2354
03:20:30,320 --> 03:20:34,860
I mean, we know that our biggest carbon footprint, biggest component of our carbon

2355
03:20:34,860 --> 03:20:35,920
footprint is building heat.

2356
03:20:36,440 --> 03:20:37,700
And so how do you get rid of that?

2357
03:20:38,140 --> 03:20:42,040
You'd green it up with electricity, and how to do that, it takes physical dollars

2358
03:20:42,040 --> 03:20:42,620
to convert.

2359
03:20:43,380 --> 03:20:43,620
Sotomayor.

2360
03:20:43,620 --> 03:20:46,280
And so, isn't this really what we did with CORE?

2361
03:20:46,880 --> 03:20:50,040
Well, I'm tracking on CORE to they explored four buildings.

2362
03:20:50,400 --> 03:20:55,200
So yeah, CORE is done, they've recently in the last month given us an assessment

2363
03:20:55,200 --> 03:20:59,820
on how to do one of our buildings and I believe three private buildings, and, you know,

2364
03:20:59,820 --> 03:21:04,320
how you do that, and so that is done, and Corridor would be happy to continue that forward.

2365
03:21:04,960 --> 03:21:09,800
It's expensive, or I think there's other components of sustainability.

2366
03:21:10,200 --> 03:21:12,280
There's composting.

2367
03:21:12,420 --> 03:21:15,940
There's lots of, like I said, there's 10 other ways we go.

2368
03:21:16,760 --> 03:21:20,660
And if Cor's the answer, then he could say, hey, let's get Corridor to the building.

2369
03:21:20,940 --> 03:21:23,820
So if that's where we want to make that investment, they can make that recommendation.

2370
03:21:24,740 --> 03:21:29,160
And I'm just kind of saying, rather than hiring a person to kind of work through these things,

2371
03:21:29,640 --> 03:21:34,540
This might be the perfect chance to bring on a consultant to help us lead that effort, whatever it might be.

2372
03:21:34,660 --> 03:21:39,620
Whether it's core, with building sustainability, whether it's something else that we find is a good idea.

2373
03:21:39,780 --> 03:21:47,860
It might be a good workshop session early in the year with the AB and if we want to bring a consultant or to a facility.

2374
03:21:48,080 --> 03:21:57,120
But just look at all the things that we're doing, all things we could be doing, set some priorities and direction instead of just sort of quite clear what we're doing.

2375
03:21:57,120 --> 03:22:02,160
may be here from department heads to on where they're at with their yeah I feel

2376
03:22:02,160 --> 03:22:08,420
like part of what they were looking for is accountability meaning you know

2377
03:22:08,420 --> 03:22:15,080
we don't just say oh yes we want to do that but there's some ways to measure or you

2378
03:22:15,080 --> 03:22:23,980
know even police how we're doing things and so as long as a consultant can

2379
03:22:23,980 --> 03:22:30,140
provide that, I feel like then that could be accomplishing what they maybe want to see.

2380
03:22:32,440 --> 03:22:34,740
And accountability, I don't know that consultant can do that.

2381
03:22:35,400 --> 03:22:40,620
But I mean, it's, somebody observed earlier, I mean, we don't put a lot of staff time towards it.

2382
03:22:40,900 --> 03:22:42,120
I mean, it's just, we haven't.

2383
03:22:42,220 --> 03:22:47,340
And so if you all said this is going to be a priority and we're going to spend more on it, we can do that.

2384
03:22:47,440 --> 03:22:49,320
That's where you guys get paid the big bucks for.

2385
03:22:49,320 --> 03:22:53,880
Well, I feel like they could say this is how you do accountability, not necessarily.

2386
03:22:54,020 --> 03:22:55,340
They would be the ones doing it, yeah.

2387
03:22:55,660 --> 03:23:00,240
But again, that's where I, after knowing that you received the presentation,

2388
03:23:01,440 --> 03:23:07,120
assuming you'd want some kind of way to be responsive to that request, the idea was let's

2389
03:23:07,120 --> 03:23:09,680
use re-up dollars and using outside consultant.

2390
03:23:09,940 --> 03:23:11,540
And again, that's, that was my response.

2391
03:23:11,980 --> 03:23:12,580
And that's good.

2392
03:23:12,680 --> 03:23:16,520
Well, I love to have a work session where we just sort of can talk about all the stuff.

2393
03:23:24,480 --> 03:23:27,780
We've got it, I've got it in my ear, we can port it on to you for sure.

2394
03:23:28,340 --> 03:23:31,520
But let's, I think we should put it on the agenda so we can review it.

2395
03:23:32,780 --> 03:23:34,680
Oh, and then let me get it to you to read first.

2396
03:23:34,780 --> 03:23:36,540
And then if you want to do that.

2397
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:37,100
It's lengthy.

2398
03:23:38,000 --> 03:23:38,700
I mean, I'm sorry.

2399
03:23:38,880 --> 03:23:39,860
Let me get it to you.

2400
03:23:40,100 --> 03:23:41,120
I'll email it to you tomorrow.

2401
03:23:41,460 --> 03:23:43,460
But I just want to make sure if we're making that kind of investment,

2402
03:23:43,460 --> 03:23:44,680
we're getting something out of it.

2403
03:23:45,260 --> 03:23:50,140
And so let me forward it to you and then when you guys want to get a schedule that absolutely will do that

2404
03:23:50,140 --> 03:23:53,500
But I'd like you to look at it first before we get that scheduled. Thanks.

2405
03:23:56,100 --> 03:23:56,460
Okay

2406
03:24:00,620 --> 03:24:01,340
Anything else?

2407
03:24:04,660 --> 03:24:08,180
Yeah, we're in demand at its point. If there is other things or whatever that we

2408
03:24:08,760 --> 03:24:13,300
We're trying to find a sweet spot between not killing anyone's insides and making sure you get the detail you want

2409
03:24:13,300 --> 03:24:17,020
So if there are other things, please let us know otherwise next week will be

2410
03:24:18,360 --> 03:24:19,240
Capital good capital

2411
03:24:22,580 --> 03:24:32,430
Okay, right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you both. All right. We're adjourned. We're adjourned. Thank you.

2412
03:24:32,810 --> 03:24:34,530
All right. Thanks, everybody.