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call the bza meeting to order
take a moment look at the march minutes

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if you would

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sorry

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if there are no additions or corrections
the minutes will stay in this present

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item four is a letter of request for
special exception

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for the firehouse um
yeah so the uh the mayor pointed out

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that uh
we needed to uh have the

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the site plan for the firehouse uh
approved by the planning commission uh

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but uh stacy pointed out that
um house is not allowed on our in our

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table of usage except by special
exception so

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we asked the mayor to sign these this
letter of request

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uh for the special exception for us to
actually uh

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build our long-awaited firehouse down
there on the property that we purchased

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for it
which is officially 400 north e street

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we got that from 911. so the property is
located right there on old jackson road

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and north east street and midlands on
the other side at frontside three

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streets
anyway we're requesting that

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the bza approve us approve the
for the town to build the firehouse on

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this property
uh by special exception

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that's pretty straightforward would
someone like to uh

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make a motion

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i'll move the acceptance one second
okay okay

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motion in a second and another person
present um

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could we have a roll call on this please
yeah

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let me just check and make sure richard
you're not here

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is richard here i'm here
okay i'm here i saw a telephone number

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there i'm not quite sure
your phone number yet anyway uh looks

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like there are a couple of phone numbers
on there somebody i might not recognize

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someone else present that i don't know
yes for the next meeting sorry yeah yes

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okay roll call vote thank you uh
tim hi judy

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george hi matt
hi richard

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hi betsy hi
mayor

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did we lose the mayor he did
he's on silence well he's on the board

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okay

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it's so confusing yeah i just sorry
about that

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all right guys have it guys have it
okay well if there's no other business

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for the bza
then i'd like to adjourn that meeting

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and open the planning commission meeting

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where ronnie and judy are members right

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take a minute to look at the minutes

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i see emotion was mad

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i actually changed that uh on my okay
sorry already i noticed that too

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if everybody's had enough time to review
the

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minutes and and they have no additions
or corrections the minutes will stand as

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presented
we'll go on to item

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for an update on the rezoning ordinances
so uh so after uh actually stacy

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thoroughly reviewed the uh the uh the
site plan

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uh for the minor subdivision
and uh noted that uh the properties

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uh we were supposed to rezone those two
properties as low density residential

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however she noted that uh the properties
are two to three feet

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short of being allowed to build a house
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as a in a low density residential area
it's not quite wide enough they're like

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two or three short feet short from being
100 feet wide

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where the house would sit so what we did
was he had the board

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amend that zoning ordinance to to high
density residential

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instead of low density residential so
even though it it's virtually

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uh a lock that it could have fit into
low density but we didn't get to the

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other side
and and not be able to build the houses

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that uh mr wright wants to
build on those lots because we're in

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we've re-zoned in the wrong zone so
i just wanted to let you know that's

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what happened with it uh so if you see
it was zoned to high density residential

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it was changed by the board of mayor
alderman

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uh the staff
all right in reviewing the preliminary

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plant
and this is a preliminary plant we uh

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again stacy
and and i re we uh thoroughly went over

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this preliminary flat and i'm gonna see
if i can zone in a little bit whoops

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sorry
zoom in a little bit sorry

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we made sure that uh everything that is
supposed to be on this

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flat is on the plat including the hdr
the high density residential uh also

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everywhere that that's mentioned it also
mentions high density residential we

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fixed a few other little
odds and ends like cities summerville

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town of summerville type things and uh
and kind of got it all ready to go i

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don't think there's any problems with it
anymore uh one of the things that we

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added also
you see on each property now says hdr on

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each property
not ldr uh and also has the

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uh the owners of the adjacent lots
called

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out um that were not on there originally
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uh do you have anything to add to that
stace

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no i think uh we pretty much

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went over with a fine-tooth comb i think
we i think we got it together

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yeah so uh what we're what we're hoping
to do is get uh

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a preliminary approval on this um a
minor subdivision uh for mr wright so

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that he can go ahead and
print it up get it ready for the

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uh board me at the planning commission
meeting the special call planning

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commission meeting on the 11th of may
uh the rezoning process if it goes

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through will be complete on the 10th
so um then it would be we could have a

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meeting on the 11th which is the tuesday
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and and finalize the minor subdivision
for mr wright so he can go ahead and

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uh stub out the utilities and pave the
road which is what his

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ultimate goal is here so um
of course sell the lots too i'm sure

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i'm sure he'll find someone interested
in them they're lots are going

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like hotcakes around here so uh

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are there any i will note bob that i've
had several phone calls

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really uh the most people
are very happy that that's going to be

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uh
residential and not commercial one

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person was not
right one person was not

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otherwise every other phone call i got
was but they were happy

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yes

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and again this public hearing uh that's
on the 10th will be in person

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that's the monday the 10th at the ut
martin center

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and then um the planning commission
meeting will be in person on the 11th so

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um just wanted to bring that up again
remind everybody we're going back to

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real meetings again in in-person
meetings are there any any did anybody

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notice anything on here
uh on the on the final plat for this

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subdivision this preliminary plan

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we also called out all the covenants
that are all currently listed to make

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sure that the
these lot these lots conform to the

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current covenants in subdivision
so that was another thing we added that

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wasn't on that flat originally
any questions

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it makes it harder to see but you can
see the whole thing right now

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sorry i'm playing around with it

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there you go that's a little better so i
have a question what did we approve

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last last meeting uh we didn't approve
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we held off on this because we wanted to
wait till the

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uh the plaque sorry go ahead i mean
i mean in terms of zoning we approved

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the low density residential
uh our board our planning commission to

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prove the low density
but the board of marion alderman had to

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change it to high density to
make sure that we could 100 houses on

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the lot yeah i understand all that
i'm just wondering about the legalities

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of
you know we approve one thing

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and then send it to the board and the
board changes it is that

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is that kosher effect that's why the
board reviews it they do

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additional work on it you can change an
ordinance uh between readings

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if you wanted to if the board wanted to
they could make a motion to change it

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which they did make them change it
before the first reading and then

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read it actually it was all one motion
to change it to hdr yeah they can do

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that we do that all the time we're going
to do that with the budget

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uh you know because there'll be a
there'll be amendments to the budget

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between the first and second reading
and the board will review the new

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amendments uh before they approve the
budget also so

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yeah sounds like that issue i mean we
don't we don't deal with the budget but

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what i was getting at was
what if what if the and i'm not saying

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this would ever happen
but you could apply it to a different

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situation where it could happen
what if he came to us and said i want to

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make this uh
high de high density residential and we

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say
well we'll we're willing to recommend it

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to the board as low density residential
but we don't think it should be high

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density residential i think the board is
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impossible i think the board of mayor
and alderman still has the final

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say and all that that's why it goes to
this yeah because what we're doing

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george is we're making a recommendation
we're not making a decision

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was ill-formed but
yeah if the board if the board of mayor

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and alderman do not
accept the recommendation of the

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planning commission
they have to approve whatever they

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decide to do
by a majority of the full board

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so it would take four well
actually it would take take

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four votes on the board
to change anything the planning

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commission recommends

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could i say something this is don you
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on the original i'm sitting here looking
at the plans here

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on the original it says the minimum lot
size is 15 000 square feet

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and all of these is a lot larger than
that

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i mean it's not downsizing anything the
original subdivision

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on the plant that was approved says
fifteen thousand

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square feet but it's already

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yeah so you're saying that a high
density residential

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i mean a low distance from residential
has to have a minimum width

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at the street at the la at the where the
house

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yeah right now
i actually think these lights meet that

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requirement too
bob the the locks that's on the front of

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the street there's a lot of lots
in the subdivisions that that is

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narrower
than these four lot than these lots

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i made sure of that yes sir but that
that was

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done as a play in unit development where
these are not included in that unit plan

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unit development
which might i don't think they are

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anyway
well we had to add the number one

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uh we couldn't number one two three four
we had the number on uh following what

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was in the
rest of the subdivision yeah the the the

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previous subdivision was not a pud
and and i think what that happened was

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that those
uh bulk regs predated our current

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bulk regulations which is when that all
the

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zoning change in 17.
yeah right and

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as far as i can see about 69
i can't 68 and 69

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are those the closest one the ones that
are you scrolling a little bit

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73.9 feet

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now they're they're all well over 100
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wide it's with from inside the setbacks
is what we determined isn't that correct

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jim
that's not i don't i don't think that's

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right bob i think these lots
meet the minimum requirements of a low

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density
okay because i think the uh

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yes you have to be a hundred feet wide
at the setback

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at the building line but
you don't count the thirty feet against

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it it's a hundred feet
and then you could be 30 feet

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of setbacks so stacy can i have my
dollar back then

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i think the way you no sir because we
spoke to

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we spoke to mr and those

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the set the building area is
within the setback line

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not where the setbacks are but
normally you require a lot to be a

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hundred feet wide but you don't
but you're the way you're interpreting

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it it means a lot has to be 130 feet
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that's not the way i normally read
these interpreters yeah that's not

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that's not how the bulk rank
is read is it no it should be the uh the

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width of the lobby well whenever we
spoke to

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yeah can we jim answer for us because we
spoke to jim about this directly so jim

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yeah i might have understood your
question yes it's the width of the lot

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measured at the front building setback
line but all the way across from

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property line to property line
but not at the front property line it's

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measured at the building setback
line but it does it does go all the way

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from from side to side
side line the side lock side lock line

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you can have a 100 foot lot and then you
have a 15 foot setback on each side

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right correct correct you don't have to
have a hundred and thirty foot wide lot

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that's correct so you're measuring from
the bolded lines and not the dotted

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lines
right down for me yes yeah

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the distinction is the point of the lot
that's measured um

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because some people look at the at the
very front property line where it meets

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the right of way
but that's not correct you measure it

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from side to side uh back at the
building setback line

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but but again all the way from side to
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yeah the perfect example would be lot 36
right below lot 68 where you would

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where you see at the street it's very
very short comparatively speaking but by

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the time you get back
30 feet deep on the lot it's gotten

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wider that's where you measure
with the lot but i would point out that

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none of this really matters because he's
still keeping the 15 foot

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building setbacks and high density
residential

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allows for 10 foot side yards
and if you're going to keep the 15 foot

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building setbacks it really doesn't
matter whether it's

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a high density or low density still got
the same

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building setbacks on the side yard right
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so are you arguing that we should go
forward since we've now

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changed this this preliminary plant to
reflect that it's a high density when it

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could qualify
for a low density but stick with the

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high density just to get it through
there's no downside to that

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so currently it's listed as high density
on the rezoning

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high density on the on the uh
subdivision preliminary plat here

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so they're meant they match
so we want to sorry let's not change

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anything
let's just go we can go back if you want

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we can well that would be up to to the
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what which he wants not what we want
and i don't know if there's any upside

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or downside to going back
other than it slows down the process

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maybe or does it even you've got to redo
the

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documents that's pretty much it

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the the the four locks is going to match
the rest of the subdivision

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you know the builders that's looking to
buy is bill and how

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has built the house is in there uh
they're not building smaller

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they're you know they're know the the
price has done got

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400 000 and more in the subdivision
they're not going to be

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building a small house on the front okay
so you don't want to you you'll you're

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comfortable
keeping it as it is on as presented

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tonight as a high density even though it
would qualify for the low density

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yes okay all right does anybody ever
have any other discussion about this

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just just to clarify
there's no action being taken tonight

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correct this is more of an update on
yeah in progress the only action is that

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we want to
make sure that the planning commission

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is comfortable with this preliminary
plat

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so that mr wright can print those this
week

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get the required signatures so that when
uh in the inevitable uh approval of this

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final plaque
uh he can go ahead and get him

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registered that week of the 10th 11th
after the meeting so so he can get going

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on his
uh getting his uh utilities put in and

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get and get them paving the road
and selling the lots and everything else

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okay well i'll start obviously i i
intend to

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vote for variable

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well but but jim is saying we don't need
to vote for approval

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that we just need to i'm saying

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okay bob what did you say
we can consider their approval the

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preliminary plat that way we know it's
for sure ready to go

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okay someone want to make a motion to
to approve this modified preliminary

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plant
it's all moved okay do we have a second

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okay okay who was the second was that
you mayor

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george yes george either one
both ty okay could we have a roll call

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vote on this
yep matt hi

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richard hi
uh betsy hi george

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hi tim hi
mayor hi and

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judy sorry that's okay ah
i crossed you out on the other one

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i got a question have this hearing been
uh advertised in the paper about this or

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just a residential note
no it's been uh advertised there is a

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there are signs on the two lots
uh we've had telephone calls about that

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people are somebody wondering if a
petition was needed he wanted to sign it

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[Laughter]
people want this to happen there was one

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man who i guess wanted a gas station
built up there or something i don't

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really know
but um anyway uh so that was it uh you

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know if a state general business
you know potentially a gas station could

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have been built up there i would imagine
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um anyway i think uh
a lot of people are for this uh but the

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signs have been up there and it has been
advertised in the paper

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okay all right let's move on to the
review of the

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fire station side plan well we didn't
get it

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so okay that'll be on next month's
agenda

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all right we were trying to they you
know it's surprising that they can't uh

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uh well with all that stuff they've been
working on for the firehouse that they

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can't create a
site plan in seconds but um

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they don't have one so i don't know what
we're gonna have to do we're gonna have

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to go through a process with them to get
a site plan from them

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um i have pieces of a site plan but i
don't have a site plan i have all the

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little pieces
separate but i need one i need it on one

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piece of paper so
i'll work on that with them and then

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maybe we'll have it by the 10th or the
11th i mean

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okay hopefully we'll have it by then

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all right so then we can move to any
other

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business we may have another minor
subdivision coming up on the

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on the 11th also what's that
uh mr mcadoo is working on a subdividing

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a property
so when i we get the final version of

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that together we'll uh
i'll bring that to the planning

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commission on the 11th or
or the following meeting depending on

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how fast you can get it together

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okay is that the property that
we looked at several months ago

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no it's a different property okay
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all right any other business

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so the next meeting will be live
live and in person well that's good

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i like those better all right uh well
if no one has any other business to

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present i'd like to adjourn this meeting
thank you everybody thank you thank you