[0:00] call the bza meeting to order
take a moment look at the march minutes
[0:06] if you would
[0:28] sorry
[0:35] if there are no additions or corrections
the minutes will stay in this present
[0:43] item four is a letter of request for
special exception
[0:47] for the firehouse um
yeah so the uh the mayor pointed out
[0:55] that uh
we needed to uh have the
[1:00] the site plan for the firehouse uh
approved by the planning commission uh
[1:05] but uh stacy pointed out that
um house is not allowed on our in our
[1:12] table of usage except by special
exception so
[1:17] we asked the mayor to sign these this
letter of request
[1:21] uh for the special exception for us to
actually uh
[1:24] build our long-awaited firehouse down
there on the property that we purchased
[1:28] for it
which is officially 400 north e street
[1:32] we got that from 911. so the property is
located right there on old jackson road
[1:41] and north east street and midlands on
the other side at frontside three
[1:46] streets
anyway we're requesting that
[1:52] the bza approve us approve the
for the town to build the firehouse on
[1:58] this property
uh by special exception
[2:04] that's pretty straightforward would
someone like to uh
[2:07] make a motion
[2:10] i'll move the acceptance one second
okay okay
[2:18] motion in a second and another person
present um
[2:22] could we have a roll call on this please
yeah
[2:25] let me just check and make sure richard
you're not here
[2:29] is richard here i'm here
okay i'm here i saw a telephone number
[2:37] there i'm not quite sure
your phone number yet anyway uh looks
[2:41] like there are a couple of phone numbers
on there somebody i might not recognize
[2:46] someone else present that i don't know
yes for the next meeting sorry yeah yes
[2:56] okay roll call vote thank you uh
tim hi judy
[3:07] george hi matt
hi richard
[3:15] hi betsy hi
mayor
[3:24] did we lose the mayor he did
he's on silence well he's on the board
[3:41] okay
[3:45] it's so confusing yeah i just sorry
about that
[3:50] all right guys have it guys have it
okay well if there's no other business
[3:55] for the bza
then i'd like to adjourn that meeting
[3:59] and open the planning commission meeting
[4:02] where ronnie and judy are members right
[4:10] take a minute to look at the minutes
[4:27] i see emotion was mad
[4:32] i actually changed that uh on my okay
sorry already i noticed that too
[4:49] if everybody's had enough time to review
the
[4:52] minutes and and they have no additions
or corrections the minutes will stand as
[4:58] presented
we'll go on to item
[5:04] for an update on the rezoning ordinances
so uh so after uh actually stacy
[5:11] thoroughly reviewed the uh the uh the
site plan
[5:15] uh for the minor subdivision
and uh noted that uh the properties
[5:21] uh we were supposed to rezone those two
properties as low density residential
[5:26] however she noted that uh the properties
are two to three feet
[5:30] short of being allowed to build a house
uh
[5:33] as a in a low density residential area
it's not quite wide enough they're like
[5:37] two or three short feet short from being
100 feet wide
[5:40] where the house would sit so what we did
was he had the board
[5:45] amend that zoning ordinance to to high
density residential
[5:49] instead of low density residential so
even though it it's virtually
[5:54] uh a lock that it could have fit into
low density but we didn't get to the
[5:58] other side
and and not be able to build the houses
[6:01] that uh mr wright wants to
build on those lots because we're in
[6:07] we've re-zoned in the wrong zone so
i just wanted to let you know that's
[6:11] what happened with it uh so if you see
it was zoned to high density residential
[6:15] it was changed by the board of mayor
alderman
[6:17] uh the staff
all right in reviewing the preliminary
[6:23] plant
and this is a preliminary plant we uh
[6:28] again stacy
and and i re we uh thoroughly went over
[6:31] this preliminary flat and i'm gonna see
if i can zone in a little bit whoops
[6:34] sorry
zoom in a little bit sorry
[6:41] we made sure that uh everything that is
supposed to be on this
[6:45] flat is on the plat including the hdr
the high density residential uh also
[6:52] everywhere that that's mentioned it also
mentions high density residential we
[6:56] fixed a few other little
odds and ends like cities summerville
[6:59] town of summerville type things and uh
and kind of got it all ready to go i
[7:06] don't think there's any problems with it
anymore uh one of the things that we
[7:09] added also
you see on each property now says hdr on
[7:13] each property
not ldr uh and also has the
[7:18] uh the owners of the adjacent lots
called
[7:21] out um that were not on there originally
so
[7:24] uh do you have anything to add to that
stace
[7:32] no i think uh we pretty much
[7:37] went over with a fine-tooth comb i think
we i think we got it together
[7:42] yeah so uh what we're what we're hoping
to do is get uh
[7:45] a preliminary approval on this um a
minor subdivision uh for mr wright so
[7:51] that he can go ahead and
print it up get it ready for the
[7:56] uh board me at the planning commission
meeting the special call planning
[8:00] commission meeting on the 11th of may
uh the rezoning process if it goes
[8:05] through will be complete on the 10th
so um then it would be we could have a
[8:11] meeting on the 11th which is the tuesday
of may
[8:13] and and finalize the minor subdivision
for mr wright so he can go ahead and
[8:18] uh stub out the utilities and pave the
road which is what his
[8:23] ultimate goal is here so um
of course sell the lots too i'm sure
[8:30] i'm sure he'll find someone interested
in them they're lots are going
[8:33] like hotcakes around here so uh
[8:38] are there any i will note bob that i've
had several phone calls
[8:41] really uh the most people
are very happy that that's going to be
[8:47] uh
residential and not commercial one
[8:51] person was not
right one person was not
[8:56] otherwise every other phone call i got
was but they were happy
[8:59] yes
[9:03] and again this public hearing uh that's
on the 10th will be in person
[9:07] that's the monday the 10th at the ut
martin center
[9:11] and then um the planning commission
meeting will be in person on the 11th so
[9:17] um just wanted to bring that up again
remind everybody we're going back to
[9:21] real meetings again in in-person
meetings are there any any did anybody
[9:27] notice anything on here
uh on the on the final plat for this
[9:32] subdivision this preliminary plan
[9:38] we also called out all the covenants
that are all currently listed to make
[9:42] sure that the
these lot these lots conform to the
[9:44] current covenants in subdivision
so that was another thing we added that
[9:50] wasn't on that flat originally
any questions
[10:10] it makes it harder to see but you can
see the whole thing right now
[10:15] sorry i'm playing around with it
[10:20] there you go that's a little better so i
have a question what did we approve
[10:26] last last meeting uh we didn't approve
this
[10:29] we held off on this because we wanted to
wait till the
[10:33] uh the plaque sorry go ahead i mean
i mean in terms of zoning we approved
[10:39] the low density residential
uh our board our planning commission to
[10:44] prove the low density
but the board of marion alderman had to
[10:48] change it to high density to
make sure that we could 100 houses on
[10:53] the lot yeah i understand all that
i'm just wondering about the legalities
[10:57] of
you know we approve one thing
[11:02] and then send it to the board and the
board changes it is that
[11:05] is that kosher effect that's why the
board reviews it they do
[11:10] additional work on it you can change an
ordinance uh between readings
[11:14] if you wanted to if the board wanted to
they could make a motion to change it
[11:17] which they did make them change it
before the first reading and then
[11:21] read it actually it was all one motion
to change it to hdr yeah they can do
[11:26] that we do that all the time we're going
to do that with the budget
[11:29] uh you know because there'll be a
there'll be amendments to the budget
[11:32] between the first and second reading
and the board will review the new
[11:36] amendments uh before they approve the
budget also so
[11:39] yeah sounds like that issue i mean we
don't we don't deal with the budget but
[11:44] what i was getting at was
what if what if the and i'm not saying
[11:48] this would ever happen
but you could apply it to a different
[11:52] situation where it could happen
what if he came to us and said i want to
[11:55] make this uh
high de high density residential and we
[12:01] say
well we'll we're willing to recommend it
[12:04] to the board as low density residential
but we don't think it should be high
[12:07] density residential i think the board is
very
[12:10] impossible i think the board of mayor
and alderman still has the final
[12:14] say and all that that's why it goes to
this yeah because what we're doing
[12:17] george is we're making a recommendation
we're not making a decision
[12:26] was ill-formed but
yeah if the board if the board of mayor
[12:34] and alderman do not
accept the recommendation of the
[12:37] planning commission
they have to approve whatever they
[12:42] decide to do
by a majority of the full board
[12:46] so it would take four well
actually it would take take
[12:53] four votes on the board
to change anything the planning
[12:57] commission recommends
[13:02] could i say something this is don you
know
[13:06] on the original i'm sitting here looking
at the plans here
[13:10] on the original it says the minimum lot
size is 15 000 square feet
[13:17] and all of these is a lot larger than
that
[13:20] i mean it's not downsizing anything the
original subdivision
[13:26] on the plant that was approved says
fifteen thousand
[13:30] square feet but it's already
[13:46] yeah so you're saying that a high
density residential
[13:50] i mean a low distance from residential
has to have a minimum width
[13:54] at the street at the la at the where the
house
[13:58] yeah right now
i actually think these lights meet that
[14:04] requirement too
bob the the locks that's on the front of
[14:08] the street there's a lot of lots
in the subdivisions that that is
[14:12] narrower
than these four lot than these lots
[14:17] i made sure of that yes sir but that
that was
[14:21] done as a play in unit development where
these are not included in that unit plan
[14:25] unit development
which might i don't think they are
[14:28] anyway
well we had to add the number one
[14:33] uh we couldn't number one two three four
we had the number on uh following what
[14:38] was in the
rest of the subdivision yeah the the the
[14:42] previous subdivision was not a pud
and and i think what that happened was
[14:47] that those
uh bulk regs predated our current
[14:51] bulk regulations which is when that all
the
[14:54] zoning change in 17.
yeah right and
[15:01] as far as i can see about 69
i can't 68 and 69
[15:08] are those the closest one the ones that
are you scrolling a little bit
[15:15] 73.9 feet
[15:20] now they're they're all well over 100
feet
[15:23] wide it's with from inside the setbacks
is what we determined isn't that correct
[15:29] jim
that's not i don't i don't think that's
[15:32] right bob i think these lots
meet the minimum requirements of a low
[15:36] density
okay because i think the uh
[15:41] yes you have to be a hundred feet wide
at the setback
[15:45] at the building line but
you don't count the thirty feet against
[15:50] it it's a hundred feet
and then you could be 30 feet
[15:55] of setbacks so stacy can i have my
dollar back then
[16:01] i think the way you no sir because we
spoke to
[16:05] we spoke to mr and those
[16:10] the set the building area is
within the setback line
[16:18] not where the setbacks are but
normally you require a lot to be a
[16:24] hundred feet wide but you don't
but you're the way you're interpreting
[16:27] it it means a lot has to be 130 feet
wide
[16:32] that's not the way i normally read
these interpreters yeah that's not
[16:37] that's not how the bulk rank
is read is it no it should be the uh the
[16:42] width of the lobby well whenever we
spoke to
[16:46] yeah can we jim answer for us because we
spoke to jim about this directly so jim
[16:51] yeah i might have understood your
question yes it's the width of the lot
[16:54] measured at the front building setback
line but all the way across from
[16:58] property line to property line
but not at the front property line it's
[17:02] measured at the building setback
line but it does it does go all the way
[17:06] from from side to side
side line the side lock side lock line
[17:10] you can have a 100 foot lot and then you
have a 15 foot setback on each side
[17:17] right correct correct you don't have to
have a hundred and thirty foot wide lot
[17:23] that's correct so you're measuring from
the bolded lines and not the dotted
[17:27] lines
right down for me yes yeah
[17:32] the distinction is the point of the lot
that's measured um
[17:35] because some people look at the at the
very front property line where it meets
[17:38] the right of way
but that's not correct you measure it
[17:41] from side to side uh back at the
building setback line
[17:45] but but again all the way from side to
side
[17:48] yeah the perfect example would be lot 36
right below lot 68 where you would
[17:55] where you see at the street it's very
very short comparatively speaking but by
[17:59] the time you get back
30 feet deep on the lot it's gotten
[18:02] wider that's where you measure
with the lot but i would point out that
[18:08] none of this really matters because he's
still keeping the 15 foot
[18:12] building setbacks and high density
residential
[18:15] allows for 10 foot side yards
and if you're going to keep the 15 foot
[18:20] building setbacks it really doesn't
matter whether it's
[18:24] a high density or low density still got
the same
[18:28] building setbacks on the side yard right
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[18:33] so are you arguing that we should go
forward since we've now
[18:36] changed this this preliminary plant to
reflect that it's a high density when it
[18:41] could qualify
for a low density but stick with the
[18:44] high density just to get it through
there's no downside to that
[18:49] so currently it's listed as high density
on the rezoning
[18:54] high density on the on the uh
subdivision preliminary plat here
[19:00] so they're meant they match
so we want to sorry let's not change
[19:06] anything
let's just go we can go back if you want
[19:13] we can well that would be up to to the
owner
[19:17] what which he wants not what we want
and i don't know if there's any upside
[19:22] or downside to going back
other than it slows down the process
[19:26] maybe or does it even you've got to redo
the
[19:29] documents that's pretty much it
[19:36] the the the four locks is going to match
the rest of the subdivision
[19:41] you know the builders that's looking to
buy is bill and how
[19:44] has built the house is in there uh
they're not building smaller
[19:49] they're you know they're know the the
price has done got
[19:53] 400 000 and more in the subdivision
they're not going to be
[19:57] building a small house on the front okay
so you don't want to you you'll you're
[20:03] comfortable
keeping it as it is on as presented
[20:07] tonight as a high density even though it
would qualify for the low density
[20:13] yes okay all right does anybody ever
have any other discussion about this
[20:18] just just to clarify
there's no action being taken tonight
[20:21] correct this is more of an update on
yeah in progress the only action is that
[20:26] we want to
make sure that the planning commission
[20:29] is comfortable with this preliminary
plat
[20:31] so that mr wright can print those this
week
[20:35] get the required signatures so that when
uh in the inevitable uh approval of this
[20:41] final plaque
uh he can go ahead and get him
[20:44] registered that week of the 10th 11th
after the meeting so so he can get going
[20:50] on his
uh getting his uh utilities put in and
[20:54] get and get them paving the road
and selling the lots and everything else
[21:01] okay well i'll start obviously i i
intend to
[21:05] vote for variable
[21:08] well but but jim is saying we don't need
to vote for approval
[21:14] that we just need to i'm saying
[21:20] okay bob what did you say
we can consider their approval the
[21:25] preliminary plat that way we know it's
for sure ready to go
[21:29] okay someone want to make a motion to
to approve this modified preliminary
[21:37] plant
it's all moved okay do we have a second
[21:42] okay okay who was the second was that
you mayor
[21:45] george yes george either one
both ty okay could we have a roll call
[21:52] vote on this
yep matt hi
[21:58] richard hi
uh betsy hi george
[22:05] hi tim hi
mayor hi and
[22:13] judy sorry that's okay ah
i crossed you out on the other one
[22:21] i got a question have this hearing been
uh advertised in the paper about this or
[22:25] just a residential note
no it's been uh advertised there is a
[22:29] there are signs on the two lots
uh we've had telephone calls about that
[22:35] people are somebody wondering if a
petition was needed he wanted to sign it
[22:41] [Laughter]
people want this to happen there was one
[22:46] man who i guess wanted a gas station
built up there or something i don't
[22:49] really know
but um anyway uh so that was it uh you
[22:55] know if a state general business
you know potentially a gas station could
[22:58] have been built up there i would imagine
but
[23:01] um anyway i think uh
a lot of people are for this uh but the
[23:06] signs have been up there and it has been
advertised in the paper
[23:11] okay all right let's move on to the
review of the
[23:14] fire station side plan well we didn't
get it
[23:17] so okay that'll be on next month's
agenda
[23:21] all right we were trying to they you
know it's surprising that they can't uh
[23:26] uh well with all that stuff they've been
working on for the firehouse that they
[23:30] can't create a
site plan in seconds but um
[23:34] they don't have one so i don't know what
we're gonna have to do we're gonna have
[23:37] to go through a process with them to get
a site plan from them
[23:41] um i have pieces of a site plan but i
don't have a site plan i have all the
[23:44] little pieces
separate but i need one i need it on one
[23:47] piece of paper so
i'll work on that with them and then
[23:51] maybe we'll have it by the 10th or the
11th i mean
[23:54] okay hopefully we'll have it by then
[23:59] all right so then we can move to any
other
[24:03] business we may have another minor
subdivision coming up on the
[24:07] on the 11th also what's that
uh mr mcadoo is working on a subdividing
[24:13] a property
so when i we get the final version of
[24:16] that together we'll uh
i'll bring that to the planning
[24:19] commission on the 11th or
or the following meeting depending on
[24:23] how fast you can get it together
[24:27] okay is that the property that
we looked at several months ago
[24:34] no it's a different property okay
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[24:40] all right any other business
[24:45] so the next meeting will be live
live and in person well that's good
[24:52] i like those better all right uh well
if no one has any other business to
[24:58] present i'd like to adjourn this meeting
thank you everybody thank you thank you