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Can you all hear me? Yeah, I guess you can. Good morning. I'm Peggy Lauber, President of our North Fork Audubon Society. We're based in Greenport.

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And thank you all for giving us the opportunity to present our shorebird report that we did for the town of Southhold in 2022.

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We also, this is the continuation, we did it in 2021 as well, and we did it in years past thanks to a grant from Southhold Town.

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So the monitoring activity season is basically March through August.

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And we are responsible for monitoring 22 locations that are designated by the DEC.

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Some are active and some are inactive, as it turns out this year, 10 of them, 10 of those sites were active.

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And this does not include Suffolk County parks or New York State Park, like Orient Beach State Park,

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which had several pairs, but we weren't responsible for monitoring those.

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So we checked the active sites approximately three times a week throughout the nesting season.

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And what we did was at the beginning of the season we went around and checked and we determined

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that all of these locations, ten of them, were active.

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And then the other inactive sites, we just checked them a couple more times during

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the season to make sure that there weren't any late arrivals.

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Our team was led by Jennifer Murray. Jennifer is a local naturalist and educator dedicated to shore bird conservation.

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She conducted the training sessions for our volunteer shore bird stewards, who could be anybody who wants to do this.

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And we're always looking for more volunteers, so hopefully in 2023 we'll have the contract again and you can help us out if you want.

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So Jennifer also scouted all the beaches to see which sites were active and inactive.

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She coordinated the installation of the string fencing and signage, which believe me, it

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doesn't sound like much.

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That is like a Herculean job, just putting that string fencing with to put all the

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posts in and signs and it's way more complicated than it may seem if you go down to any

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of these locations.

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And we also call it symbolic fencing, meaning obviously anybody could walk right through

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if they want to, it's just like a string.

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But it's alerting people to the fact

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that don't walk here, basically.

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So Jennifer also compiled the daily site visit reports

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and assisted the volunteer shorebird monitors

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throughout the season.

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She was our guru.

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Any questions that we had?

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If people weren't sure about what they were seeing,

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because it's not easy, believe me,

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she would come out and willingly help us.

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and she also coordinated with DEC and wrote the final report.

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So we had 16 volunteers and we attended three pre-season

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training sessions that Audubon coordinated,

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that Jennifer coordinated.

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And then there were also some training sessions on Zoom

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that we did with the National Fish and Wildlife Service

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and lots of, we have lots of written information as well.

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So the volunteers were just required to make the visits, fill out the site visit reports and then keep in touch with Jennifer forward them to her throughout the season.

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We also had additional volunteers that helped install and remove the fencing and the signage, like, you know, my husband and other people's partners that said, come on, help, because this is a big job.

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Okay, so just to give you guys an idea, we used the following abbreviation, and so we've

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got six birds listed here, but basically the ones that the DEC and we are most interested

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in are the piping plover, PIPL, the least-turned L-E-T-E, and the oyster catcher, the American

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oyster catcher, which I don't have a photo of the oyster catcher here, but if you've

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never seen one there, just the most beautiful birds, they're larger and they have long

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orange beaks and they are called oyster catches because those beaks can like, you know, break

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up mollusks and that's how they eat.

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So you have a picture here of the breeding adult piping clover and the breeding adult

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lease turn and, you know, with very specific markings and, you know, we refer to these

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a lot as we were doing our monitoring, trying to make sure we were seeing the right, the

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right, whether it was a male, female, whatever.

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So, okay, so here was the most critical time, late May and June, because when those chicks hatch,

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they're like so tiny, like cotton balls on toothpicks, they're literally, these little things are so easy to mess.

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They can walk and run, but they can't fly, so they're like scurrying along the beach, and they are just perfectly camouflaged.

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and and then to make things worse like if they feel threatened at all people are

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walking along whatever they what they do is they hunker down so they just

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hunker down into the sand and and you just don't see them so literally humans

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can step on them but you just you think you can see them but you can't see them

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and they're very vulnerable to predators especially dogs as well as

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foxes, raccoons, skulls, crows, etc.

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And coyotes, yeah I know I was thinking about that,

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adding that to the list. Yeah, domesticated

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dogs, and just as an aside here, most

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members of the community, when we would alert them to the fact that there were poepers nearby,

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they were just more than willing to help us

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and if we'd come up to them and say, please don't walk your dog in this area, because

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You know we have the fence off areas, but that doesn't mean the chicks can't run

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Pass though. They don't the chicks don't stay inside the fence if they don't go

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Oh, I can't go past here because there's a string

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So they're you know running around the beaches and but anyway most most

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members of the community were really really

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You know on board was like oh my gosh. I'm very respectful

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but not all

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So here are the ten locations and I don't need to go into too much detail here

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you guys all have the report in front of you, but basically what we did here was this is

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the total for the season, the number of pairs, the number of fledglings, and then the fledg

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rate.

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So you'll see, so like for example in Matatuckena, that was our largest location as far as yielding

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piping plover fledglings.

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We have 13, Lakewater Beach and Bailey Beach.

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The fledgway was 1.86 and that's pretty healthy, believe it or not.

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I guess we can just go right through these.

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I'm not going to go through all of them because you can see,

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and if anybody's interested in a particular, the ones that survive, yeah.

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So for example, if you look on the page, this page,

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to the Conklin Point, the oyster,

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because I actually was monitoring that site.

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So we did have one pair of oyster catchers

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and they did have two babies and they were just so adorable

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but, and they're very hard to see, you know,

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but we were able to see them, but then they both disappeared.

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So, yes, they were the ones with the distinctive

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orange beak, but they disappeared.

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So they were probably predated.

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So, you know, we don't know.

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But so we just call that nest failure because there was a nest and they were born but they didn't survive

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So why don't we just skip through to the summary so

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In summary so the three that I was talking about the piping plover. We had 16 pairs of

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Which 30 pledged so that's pretty how basically almost to prepare that survived and as far as we know

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Oh, there's a picture of the oyster catcher, by the way, that's the oyster catcher and

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the juvenile to the left.

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And then we had 82 leased turns, 82 pairs and 111 fledged.

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The leased turns had a lot of problems with nest abandonment due to predation and other

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disturbances, but they still had a fledged rate of 1.35.

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and then the oyster catchers, you know, did not fare well.

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Only five pairs of which three fledged.

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And so that was a fledged rate, 0.6.

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And then just to compare with previous years,

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everything was up in 2022.

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So we feel pretty good about that.

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In 2021, as you've seen, we only had 14 pairs

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of piping clovers in 22 fledged.

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Least turns, half as many and a third as many fledged and the oyster catchers only one pair

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and none fledged.

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And then the year before, just to compare with the group for the East End

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was doing it that year, so they had a larger number of Least turns. I recently read that

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Least turns, that doesn't mean because we had less in 2021 and then more in 2022,

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Least turns also travel up to like Connecticut, so they might, like we might have a low year

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police turns here on Long Island and yet they might have more of them on the

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shores of Connecticut so that because their range is pretty broad so it's a

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kind of hard to tell you know how they're doing in general so we came up

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with the following recommendations to manage shorebirds going forward one is

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to continue to work with the South Pole Police Department on active beach

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violations, make sure that they are on that, and the timing of piping over chick hatches

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and ATV deployment. We had an issue with, you know, the police were like running around

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on their ATVs trying to patrol the beaches, but not realizing that ATVs, baby chicks,

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not a good combination. And then we want to continue to partner with private property

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owners who were very much involved this year because, you know, again, the

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plovers don't know, like Bailey Beach continues, and then it becomes private

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property. They're nesting where they're nesting, so we did, for the most part,

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have a lot of positive cooperation. Again, not all, but most private property

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owners. And then we want to continue to work with the park districts,

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environmental organizations, U.S. Fish and Wildlife, DEC, Suffolk County

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parks and New York state parks which by the way Jennifer also monitored New York state parks just it

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wasn't part of this this contract and then we want to work on the appropriate town of South

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Hold Environmental Division on strategic planning of dredging projects that you know just to make

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sure that we're in the loop when a dredging project is proposed because people might not be

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be aware that it's a potential site and then sure

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just be great to keep us on the loop.

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I see, okay. Good to know. And then just continued public outreach and installing educational

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displays and informational signage, creating town-wide support and participation of threatened

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and endangered shoreboard sneezes and I forgot to mention at the beginning that I also have

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our fellow board member Teresa Dilworth here who put this presentation together and was

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of great help with everything from writing the final report to helping with the organizing

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the volunteers and just every step of the way she's been a wonderful supporter so thank

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you.

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Any questions?

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Sure.

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When I

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was on the trustees, it became apparent that less and less would be shorebirds.

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And then the DDC had, we noticed on different projects that it was doing, and the environmental reports and the sea marine reports,

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they kept mentioning shorebirds and then it became part of the dredging aspect.

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It became part of the dredging aspect of it.

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And it just evolved from there.

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And then the trustees, we went to the downtown board

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and we said we had to, we had no way to monitor.

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And I think that's when we decided to contract out

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because we didn't have an in-house environmentalist

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and this is really the best way to do it

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because it's really comprehensive.

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As you can see the report that we got today.

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So I'm trying to think of how many years ago, but it's been quite a few years now.

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And by the way, I should interject.

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This is just the power point.

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It really doesn't go into the detail that our final report does that I sent to Dennis earlier this week.

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So, okay, you have that.

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Good.

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Great.

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Yeah, so in any report, you also give detailed recommendations that you'd like to see with different groups and stuff.

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So, that's great.

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But, oh,

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I know, well, we'd love to be included, you know?

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Yeah, I mean, how could we, I mean, I wonder if there's a way, you know, we'd have to have

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a volunteer who lived on Fisher's Island, you know, that we could count on to do the

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day-to-day monitoring.

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It could come over for the training sessions, but we'd totally be open to that.

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What'd you say?

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a great suggestion, I was telling you that I got to go to Fishers Island.

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A few months ago, for the first time, I've lived here 40 years and I've never been there.

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I was just blown away. It's just so beautiful. I was so struck by the fact that we don't have

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a deer issue here. I saw that right away. You could see the difference in the understory there.

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It's just amazing. You can only imagine how different it would be here if we didn't have the deer.

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And yeah, but you keep it under control, which is not easy.

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Anyway, thank you all.

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Thank you.

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meeting. We were discussing electric vehicle charging stations and this was

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something I had done some research on a while back but it's you know somewhat of

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a complex issue when it goes through the municipality. So Michael Collins had a

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suggestion that maybe we issue an RFP to see if there's a private company that

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would like to install them on municipal parking lot properties for us so

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then that way we can have them kind of do the legwork for us.

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So I just wanted to bring that to the town board

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see if we're interested in doing that

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and then move that forward.

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I mean, I think we could,

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we could, like similar to how we did the solar

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on the landfill, so we could definitely write it

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sort of however we want to see it done,

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but just write it into the contract

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that they would, you know, be maintaining it and, and, and everything, you know, installing,

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maintaining, we would just kind of do like a lease on the, on the parking lot facility itself.

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What you should do is parallel as the issue of the art piece, you also, at the same time,

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reject a NYSERD, you could probably contact them through the Long Island representative

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who's going to hopeful, because they've been potentially looking to do this.

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We've had some conversations a while ago that I told you COVID kind of level up there.

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Yeah, you can reach out to them as a pair of up, you know, maybe you can call, I don't recall where to wrap right now.

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Obviously, they COVID sorted this place, everything.

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I mean, I guess would that be something that we do, or would that be something that the company would do, sort of, at the same time?

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What, you know, if we, I know what the COVID's looking for.

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So we're going to have a really nice, she's very approachable, cool, and say, look, we're going to go to the store of Hebrew.

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Do you have someone from my server actually go to?

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Yeah, well, yeah, where they're at, where he's, and then...

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Okay. All right.

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Yeah.

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If they don't have anything, if they're not able to, they can probably give you some insight on how to,

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as per your plan.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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They're very, very responsible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm going to reveal that to 2025.

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I'm actually here

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to request a commitment for funds under the American Rescue Plan Act

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for the senior center.

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And I'm just going to list some of the things.

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I think one of the things that prompted this was we had several repairs to our walk-in

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freezer box that's inside the building and the man's been back four times he came

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back in November on November 23rd there's ice outside the box where the

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framing and the plywood is so he said you're gonna have to really look to

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replace these also when the ice melts the water now runs down and comes out

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the light fixture in the refrigerator walking box.

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So, you know, we had a temporary fix.

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It's been the third fix.

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I think now that we have the, you know,

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if there's ARPA funds available,

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certainly this is a worthy project that we could fix.

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They were built over 30 years ago

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when the town bought the building.

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No, we have an outdoor freezer

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that we got under our grant under the COVID CARES Act. I'm glad you brought that up. So,

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you know, since I've been here over 32 years, I've brought in over $800,000 in grant money

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to do repairs and upgrades to the center. For those of you who haven't had the opportunity

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to come down, I would love you to come and, you know, we have pictures of what it was and

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what it is now. And it's a great facility and it serves our seniors well. So the

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estimate on the cooler box and

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the freezer is about $80,000.

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That being said, if we're going

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to go ahead and take the step

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and fix that equipment, we're

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going to have to fix the roof.

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The roof has leaks in it.

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We've been patching it.

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The area over the cooler box is

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on the roof.

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Actually, at one point was

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spongy and washy was the

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description, so that's been

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repaired in the front of the

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building the ceiling tiles have been replaced numerous times and I think what

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we've been trying to do over the years is you know we understand we're trying to

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stay within our budget under the 2% cap and these are things that if we can

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repair in the wait for the right time sometimes an opportunity like this

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presents itself and you know I think it is the right time the other thing

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too is if we're going to do that the floors in the building we just we

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We had a capital budget and we

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are carpeting three quarters of

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the building.

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We didn't have enough money to

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finish it, so that project is

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going to start in a couple of

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weeks.

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So one area of the building is

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going to still have the old

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carpeting.

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To finish that job, that's an

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additional $5,000.

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Let's

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see here.

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Also, again, I would invite you

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all to come down and take a

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look.

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If we're going to commit the

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funds and this, again, under

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ARP or many senior centers got

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upgrades, repairs. They expanded buildings. They really did a lot with the infrastructure.

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I would say let's get it all done. That includes bathroom floors. The seams are

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buckling, but we're repairing them. So the total asked for those projects is $180,000.

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Now that being said, we need ADA electric doors. And I know under the Community Development

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program, that project description I came before the board November of 21, the project I believe was approved, not sure really behind the scenes what the delay in that is, but the project's been in the works for a while and the

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community development block grant.

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The

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thing with that is the funds that are committed, the concerns, I don't know how long it's going to take to get that done.

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Right now, the bottom of the doors are rotting and actually the material is coming off the bottom of the door.

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They're difficult to lock, they don't line up.

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So I think that, I put in,

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those doors are $50,000 to replace the four doors.

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So I'm putting that as an add on as a contingency that should, because I did talk to Dennis and

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I don't think Dennis that if the doors are really inoperable and we go ahead and do that,

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community development will not reimburse. Is that correct? Okay. So I'm just throwing

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that out there in case something happens over the winter.

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It's usually, you know, three or four months before, before we get a release of bonds at that point.

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But this way, we should have gotten it on one time.

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And with the county's computer issues and like.

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Well, we should have gotten it on one time.

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If there was a commitment at the county level, I'm not quite certain it was.

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So is there any way some phone calls or something to make that happen sooner?

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I will try to make a phone call so that they are not all working.

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They're not all working, and there are emails to the community development block right here.

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Emails are still back, because I have tried specifically for this contract to get it back and forth.

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Because I have public questions on some of the contracts.

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But they were about nine months behind on everything they were doing.

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So we were still getting funding when I first started from 19 when I started at 4.0.

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So Karen, it makes sense to me to do everything that you listed because the one thing is another.

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I mean, you're not going to replace the freezer if the roof is still going to leak on it.

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You're not going to replace the floors or the tiles, the ceiling.

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It seems like it's a rotating replacement.

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I mean, it just doesn't make sense.

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So once you replace the freezer, you need to replace the roof.

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And then once the roof is replaced, then you can fix everything else.

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So I'm in agreement with getting all this done.

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You've been limping along for years.

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Every budget time you talk about all these fixes, and you always say, but we can make,

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we can do, we can make buying, you know, DPW is great, they can help us.

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And I really appreciate you stretching the dollar like you have.

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Well, I think it's something, you get to a point where you hit that brick wall.

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And I think, well, and I think also you have to see, you know,

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opportunities present themselves and I've always been very diligent looking at

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grant funding and what we can do. I mean I know in DASV and Dennis through

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community development we've made we've really redone all the sidewalks there's

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so much we've already done and I think if we get this project these

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components all finished I think the place is in really good shape and it

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will be an excellent hands with Jackie. So it's just they're necessary things.

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So I'm just, I do have pictures.

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This one I thought was a, I know Scott came in toward it

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and I showed him a lot of things.

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This is just a picture of the ice on the outside

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of the freezer box.

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We had seals replaced.

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We've done everything we can.

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So it's apparently there's half inch plywood

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in the area, the plan area.

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And I think that's getting compromised.

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So it's something that's gonna have to be done

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at some point I think the use of these federal funds is really a blessing that

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we can do this with this funding so I wanted to bring that all to your

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attention I have pictures of everything but I would really prefer if you'd all

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come down I'm sure Jackie would love to give you a tour if you want to come

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before Friday I'll still be there I

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know I look at the fear in everybody's

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oh god is she doing that again.

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No but thank you and it's been a great opportunity

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and I want to thank you all and I can honestly say as an employee of the town

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you won't see me here at the table you may see me in the audience but

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I want

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in the regular budget process.

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It seems a little...

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Can I take that?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Okay, I can explain that.

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The freezer box in the refrigerator,

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that issue just came to light on November 23rd.

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So that being said, it's kind of a trickle down effect

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in that if we fix that,

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we then should probably attend to the roof.

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And I guess the bigger question is

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if we have an opportunity to use federal funds

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why would we go to local taxpayer funds to make these repairs so I think that's

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why I'm bringing all this to your attention some of these things

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Are they urgent? Absolutely not. But if we're going to go ahead and rip off the back of the building and put on your roof, let's get it all done. And this is a great opportunity.

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No, I'm not. You know, I'm not making it down that good.

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They actually were in a private meeting.

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Yes, in the different place.

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Right. For 2024, the capital budget, I had talked to Jackie. Some of these items, I brought to her attention. As far as the roof being repaired, it was repaired successfully.

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I'm just looking at the bigger picture to avoid problems down the road, having to go to a capital budget with local taxpayer money.

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I'm looking at this opportunity.

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I think going back, I work with Tim.

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We're looking at all of the projects across the town that need to be attended to.

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One of these at that time were urgent needs.

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Some of the, right now, the credit box, I would say that's a really important thing we need to do.

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The move certainly has been

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patched and repaired, could be

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stretch out another year.

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By all means, that was going to

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be addressed in the 2024

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capital budget, because we

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really could probably stretch it

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and get to that point.

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In the meantime, looking for

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grant money is something that

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I would always prefer to do, as

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opposed to go to, you know,

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the local taxpayers to pay for

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these big items.

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So, awakingness is an opportunity.

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That's why I'm bringing all of the items.

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And I think the roof has been fixed right now.

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There's no leak in the roof over the unit.

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It's kind of,

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it's a project that I think you got to come

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together with and look at.

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I think it's separate and single items going

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for our budget next year.

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I did talk to Tim.

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We looked at different projects.

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And some of these we did say

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that we would handle down the road.

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So the roof, we're supposed to get 25 years out of a roof.

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It's at the 21 year mark.

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So we're kind of trying to say, hey,

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can we get this to a point when we bring it to the town board?

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A visit at any time by any board member

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and a walk through by town would make us all aware

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of what the fiscal needs of the building are.

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We have a thorough discussion every year

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is what can we budget for this year?

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What shouldn't we budget for this year?

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And that's how we move forward.

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the unique opportunity for funds that just came

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in discussing with Karen.

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Karen said, you know, let's button this all up at one time.

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We have a schedule of repairs for each of these years.

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Let's get it all done at once.

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That's, but again, if we go out and visit the buildings,

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you know exactly what those buildings are

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and you know what the time tables are.

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I just wanna say, talking in the court building issues,

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We have talked about Karen's building. Scott has brought it up every time we've had a conversation, so none of this is new.

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In those discussions, Michael said that some might have fixed it, but that was not part of this discussion of doing, you know, full halls on buildings.

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Because she had a five-year plan stretching it out, just like she explained.

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So, I mean, I don't know, I've been there and she's had a bunch of times she talks about

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different repairs that she has, you know, stretched out.

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And you really got to take a look at it.

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I've been down to look at it.

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The walk-in freezer, the first time I saw it, many years ago, I was like, wow, this

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thing's old.

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And she's stretched the life out of it.

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Right.

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And again, we just had the final repair on 11-23.

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plan and had today's excessive repairs, you know,

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light bulb goes off and I'm like,

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what is the issue with this?

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Why do we continue to have problems?

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That's when that was built to light.

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That was after the budget was put to bed.

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Okay, as far as the capital discussion

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about major infrastructure items at the Resource Center,

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again, the roof was not gonna be something

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on the table next year, it was for 2024.

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As far as the floors,

469
00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:46,990
what I'm saying right now is when they were done.

470
00:34:46,990 --> 00:34:50,050
And right now they are, the seams are lifting a little.

471
00:34:50,250 --> 00:34:52,430
Are we fixing, is that an emergency thing

472
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:53,970
that we needed to address next year?

473
00:34:54,170 --> 00:34:56,050
No, that was something that we were looking

474
00:34:56,050 --> 00:34:58,290
for an opportunity to say, you know what,

475
00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:00,110
let's see when it's in grand funds, fix that.

476
00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:02,270
If not, that's going on 2024.

477
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:07,350
None of that really was on the radar for next year at all.

478
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,720
You know, for instance with the floor

479
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:19,880
that we decided to do 75% of it and not the other,

480
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,720
and it would have just been another $5,000.

481
00:35:23,380 --> 00:35:24,600
Just speaking for myself,

482
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,860
I would have supported putting that in the budget.

483
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,500
I guess I'm just trying to figure out

484
00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:31,300
how we can be better board members

485
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,440
and better partners with you or with Jackie now

486
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,340
to make sure that this stuff gets done.

487
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:42,660
And so it's not coming to us right after we,

488
00:35:43,180 --> 00:35:44,820
you know, the week after we sign off.

489
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,860
But it's-

490
00:35:50,340 --> 00:35:55,480
There's like plenty of projects that we undertaken there over the years that we didn't discuss

491
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,360
in quite a time, because opportunities presented themselves during the course of the year.

492
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,300
Making some repairs are part of owning any building.

493
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,060
We have a unique opportunity.

494
00:36:04,860 --> 00:36:09,840
The schedule over the next two, three, or four years is simply not necessary if the

495
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:14,700
money had the, again, unique opportunity for the funds has shown up and counted.

496
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,200
So look, let's fill it all up on time.

497
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,440
Now, why wait till 23, 24, 25 when all these things can be done now, and completed now?

498
00:36:21,980 --> 00:36:29,100
That's not unusual. We haven't budgeted for things in the past that we were able to do during the year to spring.

499
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,380
Because we weren't aware of it, but no, we've got a great opportunity. Let's chase it.

500
00:36:33,620 --> 00:36:39,700
Even though this particularly pair was scheduled for 2000 and whatever, we're going to have to do it now.

501
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:42,200
And that's not unique.

502
00:36:42,820 --> 00:36:48,960
I'm not discounting that at all. I'm just saying we have these meetings to go over what the needs are.

503
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,480
You know, we sit down with all the department heads and ask these questions.

504
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:59,140
It's just puzzling that we're not talking about this sort of stuff then.

505
00:36:59,780 --> 00:37:04,920
You know, absolutely, we should all spend more time down there and go through all this stuff, through all the buildings.

506
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,020
You know, there's real capital needs in the town that we need to address.

507
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,900
I mean, Karen's been touching on this every year.

508
00:37:13,180 --> 00:37:15,020
I mean, it's not new.

509
00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:17,200
I wasn't surprised to hear any of this.

510
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,720
When we look at the HRC too, we have other things coming up.

511
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:27,280
And I know, I think, next year, under DQW, Tim put in front of the parking lot.

512
00:37:27,720 --> 00:37:35,300
So we try to balance those projects year to year so it doesn't all hit at the same time.

513
00:37:37,460 --> 00:37:44,680
So again, in regard to the carpeting too, that was budgeted for this year, but prices as you all know went up.

514
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:50,880
So we intended under the whole thing, we just didn't have the money to finish that.

515
00:37:51,780 --> 00:37:57,760
Again, it's something probably we could put under this plan to finish that.

516
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,960
And I think more than anything, this is saying to Jackie,

517
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:03,180
if something like that happens in the future,

518
00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:06,000
again just speaking for myself, come to the board,

519
00:38:06,100 --> 00:38:08,160
I would support finishing the whole project.

520
00:38:08,780 --> 00:38:12,440
I think everyone understands with this unprecedented

521
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,620
inflation and supply chain issues

522
00:38:14,620 --> 00:38:16,220
that this is stuff we need to do.

523
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:19,740
And it's our responsibility as board members

524
00:38:19,740 --> 00:38:22,420
to help serve the community.

525
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:25,840
And for us to only do 75% of the project

526
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,840
because of supply chain issues or inflation,

527
00:38:28,660 --> 00:38:31,700
for $5,000 it seems like we could find that money.

528
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,300
Yeah, definitely.

529
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:34,560
Okay, we found it.

530
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:35,460
Yeah, yeah.

531
00:38:36,140 --> 00:38:37,180
And here I am.

532
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:37,820
Yeah.

533
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,740
So I don't know if anyone has any questions, again,

534
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,060
if you'd like to come down the boat,

535
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,000
I'd like you to come down and take a tour.

536
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:49,560
And that's it.

537
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Yeah, maybe it does make sense for us to,

538
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,980
you know, as we tour the police station,

539
00:38:54,340 --> 00:38:58,640
you know, as a group, just to go down there so we're all kind of looking at the same stuff.

540
00:38:59,020 --> 00:39:01,060
You know, maybe set something up for next week.

541
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,780
Yeah, I mean, I've been there, it's been a couple months, but I've been there.

542
00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:08,960
You know, she said this just popped up, so...

543
00:39:10,300 --> 00:39:14,060
Well, the free, yeah, I don't think you'll be able to see the freezer repairs

544
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:16,620
if she talks about it unless you want to crawl into the ceiling.

545
00:39:17,060 --> 00:39:19,920
Well, you can see the ice when you walk in on the ceiling.

546
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:20,460
Yeah,

547
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:24,400
yeah.

548
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,300
and let us know.

549
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:29,450
Thank you all.

550
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:34,010
Thank you.

551
00:39:34,530 --> 00:39:35,710
Please come around.

552
00:39:39,210 --> 00:39:40,590
Mr. Wilson.

553
00:39:41,310 --> 00:39:41,510
Hello.

554
00:40:05,500 --> 00:40:06,500
Hello.

555
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:18,140
Hello.

556
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:18,960
Hello.

557
00:40:19,980 --> 00:40:20,740
Hello.

558
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,240
Hello.

559
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:28,060
Hello.

560
00:40:28,340 --> 00:40:29,220
Hello.

561
00:40:36,060 --> 00:40:41,640
You know that you approved for land use training seminars for this year.

562
00:40:42,340 --> 00:40:48,740
Some of you actually attended the two that we had, the planning board and then the trustees.

563
00:40:49,660 --> 00:40:55,040
They were so engaging and there were so many people participating that instead of lasting

564
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,160
the predicted hour or so, they went on for like two and a half hours each.

565
00:41:00,740 --> 00:41:01,260
So,

566
00:41:03,820 --> 00:41:10,620
exactly, thank you, because that was the goal, and it was time for all of us to understand the interrelationships

567
00:41:10,620 --> 00:41:15,640
of all of these boards that deal with land use because of the challenges we're all facing now.

568
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:21,680
In any case, what we're requesting is that the two remaining seminars with the building department,

569
00:41:21,860 --> 00:41:27,200
who's been so swamped that Mike just hasn't had time to do anything other than permits,

570
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:34,460
and the other one was with Melissa, land preservation, and she's been very

571
00:41:34,460 --> 00:41:38,940
busy because she's obviously wrapping things up for retirement. She's scheduled

572
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:43,960
for January, so what we're requesting, the zoning and planning boards, is that

573
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,060
you roll over the two remaining seminars for next year's training,

574
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:52,040
end of

575
00:41:55,660 --> 00:41:58,540
She's January 17th. She's available.

576
00:41:59,180 --> 00:42:07,080
And what we're going to try to do, just as an aside, is to set these up in the bank area, you know, the annex.

577
00:42:08,380 --> 00:42:13,600
I don't know how the wiring is going to work relative to the Zoom and the speakers and so on.

578
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:17,260
It's very easy to do, and the space is really underutilized.

579
00:42:17,260 --> 00:42:20,760
was set up temporarily because of COVID restrictions,

580
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:23,620
but it's not nothing's happening there.

581
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,180
And we got bumped.

582
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,940
You got bumped and we got bumped on Thursday

583
00:42:27,940 --> 00:42:30,840
because of Justice Court having a trial.

584
00:42:31,580 --> 00:42:33,500
And it makes perfectly good sense

585
00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:36,060
to utilize that space as another meeting hall.

586
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,180
I mean, you've got trustees in that building,

587
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,140
zoning in that building, and planning in that building.

588
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,080
And all of us could benefit

589
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,500
from having that as a meeting space.

590
00:42:46,500 --> 00:42:50,080
and leaving that other states more for the courts

591
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,140
and for town board.

592
00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:56,560
Yeah, it's all about the wiring, the technology stuff.

593
00:42:56,940 --> 00:43:00,820
And we met back when COVID started.

594
00:43:02,060 --> 00:43:04,040
I think it was Jim Benizzi when I met him there.

595
00:43:04,740 --> 00:43:05,120
I'm sorry.

596
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:06,460
You were there too.

597
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,640
And it's gonna be an undertaking, but it can be done.

598
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:12,480
And we probably should look into it at this point.

599
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:14,720
Well, since we've been talking a lot back

600
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:19,460
in the courtroom itself, we don't have a very good system,

601
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,840
very difficult for people on Zoom to hear,

602
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,560
maybe we can apply something in the bank building

603
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:26,480
that works there.

604
00:43:27,140 --> 00:43:31,160
Yeah, Boyd has been talking to a consultant

605
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,840
who I think is coming out to the bank building

606
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,680
December 6th, or December 6th.

607
00:43:39,300 --> 00:43:42,480
So maybe we can ask Roy to have them come back

608
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,660
some other time and look at the bank for it.

609
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:46,320
Yeah, yes, Lloyd actually,

610
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,680
there's been quite a bit of work from him right now.

611
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,200
The difficulty is a lack of availability

612
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,100
of the consultants, the companies,

613
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:56,380
because such a Zoom is, you know.

614
00:43:56,500 --> 00:43:57,500
Takes a long time to work.

615
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Taking up every word.

616
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,440
So I asked him to give me a timeline,

617
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,180
give me an update, give me basically some boxes

618
00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:05,880
of what we've been doing on this several months.

619
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:07,780
So he's getting that together for me

620
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:09,300
and I'm gonna send out some emails.

621
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:11,040
So we won't look at that right now.

622
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,600
some of the challenges out and we need to take in one tap as we move forward.

623
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:16,040
That's great.

624
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,140
Well, so we need to check with my colleagues in terms of the conversion.

625
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:20,760
That's amazing.

626
00:44:20,980 --> 00:44:23,140
Well, because we might have subject issues.

627
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:23,940
What's up, Karen?

628
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:26,000
So we just need to, what, yes, Karen?

629
00:44:27,240 --> 00:44:27,820
I don't know where.

630
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,120
See if it's an ADA compliant bathroom or something.

631
00:44:30,380 --> 00:44:31,700
There is a bathroom right in there.

632
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:32,560
It doesn't work.

633
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:33,580
It doesn't work.

634
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:34,040
They don't work.

635
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,740
The only functioning bathrooms in there are upstairs.

636
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:40,040
That also doesn't sound like this.

637
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:45,040
This will be ready in time for the next, um...

638
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,440
Well, we're going to do that anyway.

639
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,340
I mean, it's on a much smaller scale, so we can.

640
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,660
You know, people can attend in person if they want, as attendees.

641
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:57,580
We're not totally dependent.

642
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:59,960
Just as an aside...

643
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,460
So, you know, with this training, I prepared, and Eric Sipnowski, on behalf of the trustees,

644
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:14,340
did a really wonderful PowerPoint. And we've also got something, I'm sure, of Melissa's

645
00:45:14,340 --> 00:45:19,880
preparing something to land preservation. My help is, as another project, which is not

646
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:24,560
related to this board particularly, I'd like to try, and they're all, they're bullet points,

647
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,960
so they're dependent upon verbal additions

648
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,000
to try and convert them into something manageable

649
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,520
so that they're self-sufficient

650
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,480
so we can put them up on our website.

651
00:45:36,220 --> 00:45:39,500
So that's just another outcome of this training.

652
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:41,820
You're recording the Zoom when you do this, right?

653
00:45:42,100 --> 00:45:42,240
Yeah.

654
00:45:42,620 --> 00:45:44,560
Okay, so you can maybe take snippets from that.

655
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,940
Yes, that's exactly right.

656
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:46,920
Yes, exactly.

657
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,300
We could save them.

658
00:45:48,420 --> 00:45:49,340
I mean, it's a project.

659
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,640
It's something I think worth pursuing

660
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,700
because it would be a real benefit to the public.

661
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:54,680
It's

662
00:45:57,820 --> 00:46:03,840
an empty three, well sometimes it depends on whether we were masks or not.

663
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:09,400
Are you having the same problems when you listen to the recording as when someone calls you to Zoom?

664
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:13,200
I mean I've had the experience where you catch here, you catch there.

665
00:46:13,460 --> 00:46:16,140
I guess the recordings are pretty much the same, so you lose a lot.

666
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:26,320
You do lose some. Liz Sacarellos who transcribes all of those from the recordings occasionally has blah blah blah.

667
00:46:30,020 --> 00:46:35,140
But, you get the most of it you get, I mean you're going to miss some of it, but each

668
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:40,260
one of us would have to work on it individually anyway, you know, with our expertise, but

669
00:46:40,260 --> 00:46:41,620
I think it would be worth pursuing.

670
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:43,780
So that's it.

671
00:46:49,300 --> 00:46:50,460
I'm just going to double check.

672
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:51,400
I'm pretty sure.

673
00:46:51,820 --> 00:46:52,840
I'm just going to double check.

674
00:46:56,220 --> 00:46:56,620
Yes.

675
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,980
No, sorry.

676
00:46:58,580 --> 00:47:01,460
It's Thursday, January 19th.

677
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,440
Well, please, this is Brian. Good morning.

678
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,500
Hey, Brian. Oh, hi, Brian.

679
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,580
I just wanted to thank you for that doontorial.

680
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,380
The only thing I didn't have was my photocop and popcorn

681
00:47:14,380 --> 00:47:15,660
when we met with the trustees.

682
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:18,980
That was one of the best things I had ever watched,

683
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,260
and I thank you for doing that.

684
00:47:20,340 --> 00:47:21,460
I thank you for your expertise,

685
00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:24,120
and thank you for sharing your institutional knowledge.

686
00:47:24,540 --> 00:47:26,640
Thank you so much, Brian. Appreciate it.

687
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:30,780
Okay, so we'll all take this session on another topic.

688
00:47:34,540 --> 00:47:36,980
Did you need to know the resolution from last year

689
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:38,120
for the training?

690
00:47:38,540 --> 00:47:38,680
No.

691
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:39,240
Okay.

692
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:52,220
Oh, thank you for approving and the budget

693
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:55,280
are restoring our second full-time office assistant.

694
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,900
I'm just here to ask if we can get the process going

695
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:00,680
so they can actually start in early 2023.

696
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,460
So, yeah, the process, we don't have to do the line

697
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,700
budgeted for 2023.

698
00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:26,620
It's budgeted in 2023. I don't want someone to start. It just takes

699
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:27,640
a long time.

700
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:28,060
Yeah.

701
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:29,260
Okay.

702
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,340
As long as we're not at the point where Christy says,

703
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,120
oh, wait, we've got to wait for the point from here.

704
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:36,220
I mean, that's pretty paper where we can start.

705
00:48:36,540 --> 00:48:36,780
So what?

706
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,520
I'm going to email Christine right now and answer the vote

707
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:41,020
for the list.

708
00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:41,380
Okay.

709
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,640
Oh, okay.

710
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,260
Are we going to call for the town list?

711
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:45,540
Probably going to be.

712
00:48:45,660 --> 00:48:47,020
Will that be the town list?

713
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Is it actually posted or I think it's likely?

714
00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:49,900
Yes.

715
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,840
That should be done.

716
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,160
So will that be the town list?

717
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:54,480
Yeah.

718
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,180
And then she has to post it internally. There's all rules about that.

719
00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:02,220
Okay, thank you.

720
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,800
Okay, well, just as a matter of understanding,

721
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:10,360
we have a hard time throwing these positions as you like over to be aware.

722
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,160
There seems to be a lack of interest, which is the exact opposite

723
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,740
of what we found 10 years ago. Yes.

724
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,340
So, well, canvass the local list. If there's no interest, we have to go through the process

725
00:49:43,800 --> 00:50:00,760
It's just as an introduction, I actually had a recent code committee meeting, well I'm sorry I had a recent advisory meeting, and obviously the ongoing discussion of, which we're going to be touching on in a few minutes from now, which is the, the, the three visiting chapter 70,

726
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,020
by having landings rights, et cetera.

727
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,920
But there's also another issue they came up with,

728
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,340
Anthony had brought it up and a couple of others agree,

729
00:50:09,540 --> 00:50:10,500
and that is the,

730
00:50:12,540 --> 00:50:12,980
the,

731
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:17,800
oh I didn't even know it.

732
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,940
Oh I didn't even know it.

733
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,840
Well I was looking down, I was looking down the whole time.

734
00:50:30,830 --> 00:50:33,770
I just wasn't, I'm sorry, I just wasn't,

735
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:34,990
I didn't mean anything from that.

736
00:50:35,630 --> 00:50:36,570
I was reading.

737
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:40,540
You should read for the team tonight.

738
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:41,300
I guess so.

739
00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:44,550
We're going to just take that.

740
00:51:04,620 --> 00:51:04,960
Thank you.

741
00:51:06,580 --> 00:51:07,060
Yay.

742
00:51:07,460 --> 00:51:08,740
John, we're going to need a chat.

743
00:51:09,380 --> 00:51:10,940
I'm going to go to my son.

744
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:13,520
Where's the county section?

745
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:18,440
Collective.

746
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,000
Brian, I believe you're correct.

747
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:21,900
I believe you're correct.

748
00:51:22,140 --> 00:51:25,280
I have a non-colonel report.

749
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:27,760
I'll take one.

750
00:51:28,220 --> 00:51:29,400
I can't tell you.

751
00:51:44,620 --> 00:51:45,180
Okay,

752
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:54,890
just as a quick introduction at the paid advisory meeting, we had our ongoing discussions

753
00:51:54,890 --> 00:51:57,490
So with regard to revisions in Chapter 70,

754
00:51:58,110 --> 00:52:00,650
I think it uses the PDR land, et cetera,

755
00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:04,450
which we've got coming up at Item 6 and 7 on the agenda.

756
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:07,390
But there was also a discussion with Anthony and the others,

757
00:52:07,530 --> 00:52:10,330
and that is simply something that affects everybody,

758
00:52:10,450 --> 00:52:14,850
which is the lack of housing and certainly the lack

759
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:15,330
of apartments.

760
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:18,010
The challenges to them, like every business,

761
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:21,350
is not even being able to find places

762
00:52:21,350 --> 00:52:23,410
for management for it or anything like that.

763
00:52:23,410 --> 00:52:28,710
So, anyway, Anthony had brought up some issues that he had been raising questions about in the past.

764
00:52:29,050 --> 00:52:34,550
And I'd advise with some luck we'd like an opportunity to go before the board to actually underscore how important

765
00:52:34,550 --> 00:52:39,150
some of this is and outline what we'd like to see for changes, and I'm just going to leave it at that.

766
00:52:39,250 --> 00:52:41,730
Great. Thanks, Scott. Thanks for having us.

767
00:52:42,830 --> 00:52:47,570
I think this is a really simple fix, and I know we're all looking for affordable housing.

768
00:52:48,370 --> 00:52:52,230
This in general will promote additional housing in town.

769
00:52:52,230 --> 00:53:00,110
the current code as it reads and I put two strikeouts on B and on I really simple

770
00:53:00,110 --> 00:53:14,670
I'm sorry so really simply what this will do is just open up inventory for

771
00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:19,630
possibilities of apartments in town we can't guarantee that apartments will be

772
00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:24,470
affordable but we can guarantee that we can add additional apartments in the

773
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:29,790
ag world as any other business we're all looking for housing for employees it's

774
00:53:29,790 --> 00:53:34,030
really difficult for people to take a job out here and survive without

775
00:53:34,030 --> 00:53:39,870
affordable or some kind of housing so if we look at the strikeouts that I put

776
00:53:39,870 --> 00:53:45,950
in there the real simple one on B we we had in the code that it should be the

777
00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:51,610
owners, principal residents, and I think that that also hinders a lot of possibilities for second

778
00:53:51,610 --> 00:54:00,550
homeowners. Second homeowners typically could do an apartment and then open up to a local that may

779
00:54:00,550 --> 00:54:06,610
just simply watch the house for them for in lieu of you know good rent and then work locally.

780
00:54:07,010 --> 00:54:14,910
So we can open up some housing there and then on the back side what we've done here and the

781
00:54:14,910 --> 00:54:16,470
The code is probably just outdated,

782
00:54:16,890 --> 00:54:19,630
but it limited apartments in homes

783
00:54:19,630 --> 00:54:22,310
that were built in 2004 and older.

784
00:54:23,410 --> 00:54:25,870
So if we look at 18 years that have gone by,

785
00:54:26,010 --> 00:54:28,450
I'm sure a lot of houses have been built in Southhold

786
00:54:28,910 --> 00:54:30,870
that could be good candidates for apartments.

787
00:54:31,470 --> 00:54:33,190
So I think we have a lot of inventory

788
00:54:34,430 --> 00:54:36,230
for possibility for apartments.

789
00:54:37,350 --> 00:54:40,390
The other part is it's a low density option.

790
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:42,130
We're now scattering apartments

791
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:43,730
and it's rather than doing high density

792
00:54:44,130 --> 00:54:46,490
as the last proposal showed in Cut Jog

793
00:54:46,910 --> 00:54:49,630
that we would put affordable housing in one location

794
00:54:49,970 --> 00:54:51,550
is a high density type thing.

795
00:54:52,230 --> 00:54:55,590
It definitely solves housing for employees and locals,

796
00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:59,430
especially locals that wanna remain local.

797
00:55:00,450 --> 00:55:03,050
And as I mentioned, second homeowners,

798
00:55:03,410 --> 00:55:06,950
I think would actually benefit

799
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:09,370
from the option of having an apartment in their house.

800
00:55:09,370 --> 00:55:17,710
So I think it's a really simple change to the code, I'm hoping. There are two simple strikeouts.

801
00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:24,890
So I just, I can't confuse the difference in apartment costs. Would this require that the apartment be at affordable rate?

802
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:36,570
No. No, apartments that are created within the existing dwellings are, there's no CDA requirement anymore to get CDA approval, and there's no requirement to maintain that they're affordable.

803
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:57,570
That's the idea here was under the code it requires that one of the units essentially be the residents who are the primary residents of the owner and then the accessory department could be brain about no less but it would have to be your own resident.

804
00:55:57,570 --> 00:56:02,530
I think what they're proposing is, look, the word primer is

805
00:56:02,530 --> 00:56:04,450
what's holding back a lot of these issues.

806
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:09,190
And we could discuss simply the accuracy, soul of the art.

807
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:11,730
And there's a fundamental difference between the two.

808
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:13,550
In other words, the owner could be here

809
00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:14,650
for 10 months out of year,

810
00:56:14,890 --> 00:56:17,510
but claiming a primary residence in another state

811
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:19,910
for taxes or for any other purpose.

812
00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:21,750
Yet, they might be here.

813
00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:25,250
And the idea in the code years ago was to make sure

814
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:28,450
that we weren't creating surreptitious two-family housing.

815
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:31,110
But they also could be here for two months,

816
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:33,110
that's right, that's right.

817
00:56:33,230 --> 00:56:36,470
But the point is, you would avoid the two-family housing

818
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:38,390
by simply making sure one of those units

819
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:39,990
are reserved for them at all times,

820
00:56:40,110 --> 00:56:42,290
whether they're a primary resident of that home or not.

821
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:46,830
How does this work with, I'm not sure what such a code

822
00:56:46,830 --> 00:56:50,070
we talked about for formal housing for family members?

823
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:53,850
That's different, that's the accessory for our code.

824
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:59,010
sorry that's the separate structure I

825
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,920
mean I don't know if we should strike out

826
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,940
that whole part because we need to have in there that it remains the owner's

827
00:57:07,940 --> 00:57:15,120
residence. We don't want to create two rentals which is a real concern. That's

828
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:22,440
initially why we made it or why it was made. The principal residence was to avoid two rentals situations.

829
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,640
Right, so you're saying just strike out principle, right?

830
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:27,440
Should be the owner's residence.

831
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,180
Yeah, I would say the owner of the existing dwelling shall

832
00:57:30,180 --> 00:57:32,300
after five, one of the dwelling units,

833
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:36,280
sold rather than, you know what I'm saying?

834
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,120
One needs to be reserved to their home.

835
00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:42,180
And if it sits vacant for four, five months,

836
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:42,660
it'll be it.

837
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,040
I think after five, solely is better

838
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,340
if somebody can say, oh, yeah, that isn't a residence.

839
00:57:47,540 --> 00:57:50,200
But I rent it out, you know, like, you don't.

840
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,420
So sully makes sense.

841
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,920
The owner, the beginning part of it,

842
00:57:55,940 --> 00:57:58,520
the owner of the existing dwelling shall occupy

843
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,240
one of the dwelling units.

844
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,000
I think that she says it, right?

845
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:05,760
Yeah, let's just be clear with you.

846
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,520
I think the other thing we need to come to slate too,

847
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,200
and maybe this is a larger discussion

848
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:12,300
than needs to be had,

849
00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:17,560
is ensuring that these are year-round rentals

850
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:18,740
that we're creating

851
00:58:18,740 --> 00:58:22,160
that we're not just creating short-term rental units here.

852
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:26,600
I do wonder if this is something we can do

853
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:31,060
through rental code itself and registry

854
00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:34,660
and all that sort of stuff where maybe these units

855
00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:37,340
need to be designated as year-round rentals.

856
00:58:38,220 --> 00:58:39,620
It is designated in the code.

857
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:43,480
I know, but I think we may need to strengthen that.

858
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,240
That's what the renting from the tool.

859
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:52,720
Yeah, and that's where I'm saying we may need to look at the rental code itself.

860
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:56,800
You're saying short term rental code in the rent house and for this?

861
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,160
There's a rental code.

862
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:03,400
Is it different than-

863
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:04,360
I think-

864
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,300
I don't speak yielding, and I would say I don't speak yielding.

865
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:10,280
I would say that to everybody.

866
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:12,020
I think the concern there is luck.

867
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,620
Let's put down, that needs to be the primary residency of the occupant.

868
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:23,300
I'm not. Let's put something in place and make sure that's the case. Right, right, and different things short term rental code. Absolutely.

869
00:59:23,860 --> 00:59:30,500
Well, I think the prerequisite is to make sure the person they're renting to is really around residents. Right, it's important.

870
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:39,900
They're primary residents. It's not a second home that we're creating for them. It's not just a lease that, you know, the way it's written right now, they need to have a lease written for one or more year.

871
00:59:40,060 --> 00:59:42,980
That could be a weekend apartment for them. Theoretically.

872
00:59:47,980 --> 00:59:57,180
I think this is a great idea. Just with a little bit of tweaking. I don't know.

873
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,480
Let me just go to line now.

874
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,680
That is the, and I can tell you exactly why the date was in there, the January 1, 2009, that was actually an update.

875
01:00:07,260 --> 01:00:09,280
Yeah, I just, I would imagine, yes.

876
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,840
For years early, the date was like 90 years.

877
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:11,980
Yeah.

878
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:19,640
So we had actually updated, at the time, it was 2009, when it was originally created, they went back five years and said,

879
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,200
look, that could be sealed five years prior to this code.

880
01:00:22,740 --> 01:00:29,240
So when we uploaded the code in 2009, we said, well, let's say at five years, you know,

881
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:30,880
let's let something that's got old.

882
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:37,240
Because at the time the concern was around people to build what they used to call, you

883
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,160
know, what they used to call mother-daughter houses.

884
01:00:39,420 --> 01:00:40,900
I don't know if that's the correct term anymore.

885
01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:42,000
I don't want to get hammered here.

886
01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:42,640
Right.

887
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:48,780
And the reason I striked out all of it is newer homes actually comply better

888
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:51,000
to current code, building code.

889
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,620
So why not have the newer homes have the apartment?

890
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:57,000
They'll probably conform much more easily.

891
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,940
I think that thinking at the time was

892
01:00:58,940 --> 01:01:00,260
because it was a primary resident,

893
01:01:01,060 --> 01:01:03,140
you can't build a house and establish yourself

894
01:01:03,140 --> 01:01:05,820
as a primary resident until you've been living there.

895
01:01:05,940 --> 01:01:06,100
Right.

896
01:01:06,300 --> 01:01:06,960
Yeah, the kind of thing.

897
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:11,280
Again, that was all based on how it was worded originally.

898
01:01:11,620 --> 01:01:14,020
I also think it was to bring in the compliance

899
01:01:14,020 --> 01:01:15,900
that people come in and already have

900
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:19,220
this accessory apartment, but weren't supposed to.

901
01:01:25,820 --> 01:01:31,680
The idea here was to focus on the existing stock of apartments or the existing stock of

902
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,600
houses and utilizing them because we know that they're there, that they already fit in the

903
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:36,920
community.

904
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,720
We're not expanding the footprint of the community.

905
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:44,100
You don't need to consider things like community character in this and that because the structure

906
01:01:44,100 --> 01:01:45,200
is solid there.

907
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:51,820
And a lot of this code actually states that you're not supposed to transform the house and make it look different for the apartment

908
01:01:56,620 --> 01:01:57,100
Yeah

909
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,720
You probably know that I spoke to the

910
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,260
Consultants that you've hired to deal with updates on his own code

911
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:19,560
Those were some of the updates we suggested

912
01:02:20,340 --> 01:02:22,520
It's time when everything you've said is accurate.

913
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:25,140
The Board of Appeals totally supports that change.

914
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:29,420
It's been impossible to really know with certainty

915
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:31,620
if it's somebody's principal residence or not.

916
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,520
You can ask them for all kinds of documentation.

917
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:36,200
You still don't really know for sure.

918
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,300
And then the question is, what does it matter anyway?

919
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,120
If it's going to be another apartment,

920
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,080
as long as they own it and they live there

921
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:46,700
and they're not renting it out again,

922
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:48,440
It makes perfect liquid sense.

923
01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:52,140
Yeah, and also the issue I brought up,

924
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,200
and I talked to Anthony about this a couple of years ago,

925
01:02:54,620 --> 01:02:56,300
one of the concerns at the time of assembly

926
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:58,200
would have a lot of seasonal people coming out.

927
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,880
What you're doing is giving them the opportunity

928
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,200
to fund their purchase out here

929
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:03,940
because they can use that money

930
01:03:03,940 --> 01:03:06,080
to offset the cost of their carrying charges.

931
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,300
But the realities are coming out anyway.

932
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,940
Now we're losing that opportunity to create a house.

933
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,340
And if it needs a need that we have in the community,

934
01:03:13,340 --> 01:03:18,760
you know who cares if they're getting some benefit that's exactly right yeah

935
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,240
because we're running out of land yeah so what you have to do is leverage more

936
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,240
units out of existing land exactly this point this doesn't increase density

937
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,700
because the density is there anyway and this provision that more or less ensures

938
01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:34,540
that it's not to family housing which I'm sorry

939
01:03:34,540 --> 01:03:38,260
which is what we've been trying to avoid for years

940
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:57,100
What they needed to do was to apply for a special exception permit simply to prove with documentation

941
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:02,740
and testimony that they qualify, that they meet the standards in that code.

942
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:03,780
That's it.

943
01:04:03,780 --> 01:04:06,980
And we're talking about two separate issues though,

944
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,560
because there was no requirement to go before the CVA,

945
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:11,480
it was an apartment within the structure.

946
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,640
The requirement was to go to the CVA,

947
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,260
it was an apartment in a separate structure.

948
01:04:16,420 --> 01:04:19,300
Right, just to, when that code happened,

949
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:22,380
the accessory apartments and accessory structures,

950
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,820
then the ZVA stopped looking at apartments

951
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:28,340
in principled dwellings.

952
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:31,360
That is now just a building department function,

953
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,980
you can increase the size of the foundation by up to 25%.

954
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:39,400
And it's just a matter of a building permit.

955
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,660
Because it's got 100% right, it doesn't matter who you rent it to.

956
01:04:44,940 --> 01:04:47,320
And the intent is to be a year-round,

957
01:04:47,660 --> 01:04:49,460
it's supposed to be a year-round rental,

958
01:04:49,500 --> 01:04:52,880
not a short-term, after you're into a B&B kind of situation.

959
01:04:53,300 --> 01:04:57,300
So should we work with the town attorney

960
01:05:04,460 --> 01:05:10,880
I guess the question becomes, we have talked a little bit about the rental code, and whether

961
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,800
we need to update that at all, you know, is this something we want to try to do all together?

962
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:22,660
You know, Leslie mentioned that she mentioned this to the zoning consultant, do we maybe

963
01:05:22,660 --> 01:05:24,500
want to bring them in on the discussion?

964
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,500
You know, it seems to me like simple changes, but...

965
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:33,020
Well, I think the consultants are going to be reviewing the rental code.

966
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,600
So, let's see what, let's, you know, Heather, you can ask what they think of it.

967
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:38,020
Yeah.

968
01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:40,780
This is awful. Yeah.

969
01:05:41,260 --> 01:05:46,620
Right, so I think a lot of this is, I don't think we need to do double work.

970
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:48,260
Well, that's exactly what I'm saying.

971
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:54,800
Can we change this now and in anticipation of tightening up the rental codes at the same time?

972
01:05:54,920 --> 01:06:00,660
Because if there are, it says in here, it already says what we want it to say.

973
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,560
You're saying let's just tighten it. So it already says it.

974
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:09,580
Yeah, so I'm happy to meet with John and maybe next board meeting.

975
01:06:09,980 --> 01:06:13,620
We kind of discuss what these changes could be.

976
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,920
There's just separate issues and that is what do we want this code to say and second how to reinforce it.

977
01:06:19,620 --> 01:06:28,900
We can go ahead and change right now what we want this code to say because realistically changing it doesn't put us in any different position that we're already in.

978
01:06:29,180 --> 01:06:35,340
Which is someone can create an apartment right now and there's no verification process that they're holding one of those units for themselves.

979
01:06:35,340 --> 01:06:37,740
So we can go ahead and change the code.

980
01:06:37,940 --> 01:06:43,440
We're not risking any additional violations of the code.

981
01:06:43,780 --> 01:06:45,480
That's an issue we got to clean up

982
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,780
as part of a different process.

983
01:06:47,260 --> 01:06:49,480
Yeah, I guess I'm just wondering in terms of timing,

984
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,860
does it make sense for us to think about

985
01:06:51,860 --> 01:06:55,700
what the mechanism of verification

986
01:06:56,180 --> 01:06:59,200
or mechanisms of verification and enforcement look like

987
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:02,300
before, you know, not before,

988
01:07:02,300 --> 01:07:04,420
but at the same time to making this change.

989
01:07:06,260 --> 01:07:10,300
Well, that's going to be part of, excuse me, the housing land that we're working on

990
01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:13,660
and also changing, you know, rezoning.

991
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,900
And you know what rezoning happens, you know, heather and routine are working on.

992
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:20,380
Unfortunately, it encompasses multiple coatings.

993
01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:22,480
Yeah. Yeah, that's, it's a separate issue.

994
01:07:22,740 --> 01:07:23,160
Yeah.

995
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,560
Yeah, so we've done this for two.

996
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:28,580
I mean, we had a lot of issues.

997
01:07:28,580 --> 01:07:39,560
And let's, let's, let's remember, we're not talking about code enforcement, we're talking about the future theory of code enforcement in South Oakland, but some day we might get around to enforcing the code.

998
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:43,020
We're not, we're not, we're not making, we're not making calls.

999
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:52,420
You know, with regard to the date on the dwelling, all you have to do is say a legally existing certificate of occupancy.

1000
01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:56,000
Yeah, that's what, that's all, yeah, that's all.

1001
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:57,520
All right, so we can move ahead on that.

1002
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:03,380
I would just just right now language that says subject to periodic verification

1003
01:08:03,380 --> 01:08:08,400
reviewed by the town or annual review by the town so at least the language is in

1004
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,580
there whether we can review it or not at least there's an understanding that

1005
01:08:12,580 --> 01:08:20,920
there's a provision in there that we have something we do want we can the

1006
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:27,560
probably she still have to verify this. And we do, I guess I'm just a little

1007
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,400
unclear what we're asking John to draft right now. Are we?

1008
01:08:58,870 --> 01:09:01,510
And that's for the rental unit we're talking about, right?

1009
01:09:02,190 --> 01:09:07,250
That it's the sole occupancy of the owner.

1010
01:09:08,130 --> 01:09:12,050
But we also wanted to be the sole occupancy of the resident.

1011
01:09:13,610 --> 01:09:15,270
It's really more the rental unit.

1012
01:09:15,390 --> 01:09:16,930
At least I'm concerned.

1013
01:09:16,930 --> 01:09:17,970
Well, we're going to give you both.

1014
01:09:18,670 --> 01:09:20,170
We're taking our friends away.

1015
01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:20,670
Yeah.

1016
01:09:20,670 --> 01:09:22,450
What's the significance of the difference between soul

1017
01:09:22,450 --> 01:09:25,550
occupying and principal residence?

1018
01:09:26,070 --> 01:09:26,270
Yeah.

1019
01:09:26,570 --> 01:09:28,530
So primarily that's going to be the same thing.

1020
01:09:29,190 --> 01:09:32,690
And as a matter of fact, soul occupying is the same thing.

1021
01:09:32,830 --> 01:09:34,910
Well, John, when we're trying to say it,

1022
01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:37,230
they're the only ones that have occupying.

1023
01:09:37,230 --> 01:09:37,510
Right.

1024
01:09:37,650 --> 01:09:39,350
But that's not their soul occupying.

1025
01:09:39,570 --> 01:09:41,490
They would be the soul occupying.

1026
01:09:41,630 --> 01:09:41,950
Yes.

1027
01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:42,710
Yeah.

1028
01:09:42,810 --> 01:09:42,990
Yeah.

1029
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:43,490
Yeah.

1030
01:09:47,130 --> 01:10:00,630
What I'm saying is what you're talking about is even more restrictive than what you're suggesting is more restrictive.

1031
01:10:01,430 --> 01:10:08,370
The order of the existing dwellings shall be the sole occupant of one of the dwellings.

1032
01:10:08,670 --> 01:10:11,830
But that means that they can't have any children or a wife.

1033
01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:14,330
So they're not just so locked.

1034
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:16,230
Okay.

1035
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:17,750
So what we could work this out.

1036
01:10:17,790 --> 01:10:18,990
You know what we're trying to do, right?

1037
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:20,190
I understand what you're trying to do,

1038
01:10:20,270 --> 01:10:21,810
but I don't have any idea how to get it.

1039
01:10:22,050 --> 01:10:23,650
Well, then I'd love to have that one.

1040
01:10:23,690 --> 01:10:25,810
Because what you want to do is you want to make this

1041
01:10:25,810 --> 01:10:26,530
their only half.

1042
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:29,150
You want to make sure that this is their real home.

1043
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:30,970
But you're not going to say the same thing about

1044
01:10:30,970 --> 01:10:31,750
principal residence.

1045
01:10:32,150 --> 01:10:32,590
That's not going to be their real home.

1046
01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:34,410
They just can't rent it out.

1047
01:10:34,770 --> 01:10:35,370
If you're only going to have this.

1048
01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:38,590
What you need is another sentence that says,

1049
01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:45,590
only one of the two units may be rented. Yes. Period. It's just I understand what

1050
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:51,410
you want to do. It just might be a very different way to go back in. So that

1051
01:10:51,410 --> 01:10:55,930
address is the first issue that we've raised and I think this is a great

1052
01:10:55,930 --> 01:11:00,790
fix and in this this sentence you know only one of the units can be rented.

1053
01:11:01,510 --> 01:11:07,450
Period. Just put it in B right after the. Yes. But we also have the issue of

1054
01:11:07,450 --> 01:11:13,570
ensuring that this rental unit is the next sentence is the rental unit must be a year

1055
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:19,410
around rentable. And then just add something to the verification by some

1056
01:11:19,410 --> 01:11:30,690
folks. That's a potential phrase that needs to be the pure rental but does not need to be the primary residence of the rental. I think it should be as well.

1057
01:11:35,790 --> 01:11:45,070
I think it should be a year-round resident, it should be the primary residence and a year-round of the renter.

1058
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:54,390
Well, so, renter could mean a person being registered, so if you want the landlord to be the only type of person.

1059
01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:07,330
Yeah, I think concessually we want to make sure that at least one of the units is for

1060
01:12:07,330 --> 01:12:12,290
the owner and I think this is addressed by the owner and his family.

1061
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:13,270
Yeah.

1062
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:18,670
Do we share whether the main unit or the accessory coordinate is rented?

1063
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:19,590
No, I don't care.

1064
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:23,630
It says the owner, they've just been drawn and sent one of the dwelling units.

1065
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:29,170
It says the other dwelling unit shall be leased for year round occupancy.

1066
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:38,510
Yeah, but all you have to do is, all you have to do is say the other dwelling unit shall be leased by the property owner for a year round primary occupancy.

1067
01:12:38,730 --> 01:12:40,070
That's what I was going to suggest.

1068
01:12:46,530 --> 01:12:47,570
That's good.

1069
01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:49,390
I think conceptually this is great.

1070
01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:51,250
We just want to make sure we're not creating

1071
01:12:51,250 --> 01:12:53,830
vacation homes for the two of them.

1072
01:12:53,950 --> 01:12:55,790
That kind of is a bit of a buy-tube.

1073
01:12:56,350 --> 01:12:57,270
That's a bit of a buy-tube.

1074
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:58,710
I didn't know you were having a fight with me.

1075
01:12:59,430 --> 01:13:01,170
I didn't know you were having a fight with me.

1076
01:13:02,530 --> 01:13:04,390
I didn't know you were having a fight with me.

1077
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:04,690
I will.

1078
01:13:05,070 --> 01:13:07,950
I think it's not the way to conceptually write it.

1079
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:09,370
But we're going to either write it in there

1080
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:10,910
that's specific or it's going to not be solved.

1081
01:13:11,450 --> 01:13:11,750
Yes.

1082
01:13:12,410 --> 01:13:13,830
There's going to be a proper residence

1083
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:14,590
to not deliver it.

1084
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:16,550
You can slow the sum home and have us on the residence

1085
01:13:16,550 --> 01:13:20,230
they could. So if the entire summer it would still be their primary residence.

1086
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:25,510
Yes. And can I just say that we want to make sure that if people, if farmers

1087
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:29,510
hire seasonal residents that they can use these because it would be occupied

1088
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:32,990
full-time for six months or four months or five months.

1089
01:13:33,330 --> 01:13:37,270
I don't think so. Yeah, that's wrong.

1090
01:13:37,530 --> 01:13:38,130
Yeah, that's wrong.

1091
01:13:39,170 --> 01:13:41,770
In order to do that you have to write another

1092
01:13:42,630 --> 01:13:43,030
accepted.

1093
01:13:47,790 --> 01:14:00,050
Because I know there's a lot of seasonal workers that come like this or from other countries that rent places, that work in restaurants, and work in farms and stuff. So I was just, I was all in there.

1094
01:14:00,250 --> 01:14:03,490
My thought here is that we need to have different...

1095
01:14:03,490 --> 01:14:06,070
That's why I'm bringing it up because we want to be able to do that.

1096
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:07,290
We have different sorts of units

1097
01:14:07,290 --> 01:14:09,350
targeted to different demographics,

1098
01:14:10,250 --> 01:14:11,830
different needs within the community,

1099
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:14,010
and if we try to solve everything

1100
01:14:14,010 --> 01:14:15,850
with one sort of unit,

1101
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:17,470
we're not going to be able to do that.

1102
01:14:17,470 --> 01:14:19,550
Right, but I just wanted to make it clear that we're not

1103
01:14:19,550 --> 01:14:21,590
And I think you raised an important issue,

1104
01:14:21,730 --> 01:14:23,290
and I think this shows that we need to

1105
01:14:23,290 --> 01:14:25,870
address farm labor housing and what that looks like.

1106
01:14:26,130 --> 01:14:27,970
But this accessory apartment thing,

1107
01:14:28,230 --> 01:14:30,650
I think the simpler, the cleaner,

1108
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:32,510
the neater we can make it to better.

1109
01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:34,170
Because we need to create these units.

1110
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:50,850
It's about this subject, it's not a different subject, do not get the win.

1111
01:14:51,450 --> 01:14:58,810
Is this transferable to another property owner, because, well, I'm bringing it up to ask the

1112
01:14:58,810 --> 01:14:59,390
Yeah

1113
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,860
I feel because with bed and breakfast and with accessory apartments and accessory structures,

1114
01:15:06,100 --> 01:15:12,360
there were standards in the code that a property owner had to verify before we said okay. Now

1115
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:16,520
if they go ahead and take out all their permits, right, it's fine, they go ahead and sell.

1116
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:24,120
Does that new owner have an obligation to the town and somewhere in other to indicate

1117
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:25,740
that they're going to use it the same way?

1118
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:36,960
So then the point is, they can reapply it, it will almost be a gimmie, as long as they qualify, it's the same, but it should not be automatically transferable.

1119
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:39,820
When you use transferable, they can transfer it to their name.

1120
01:15:40,120 --> 01:15:41,160
No, no, no, no, no.

1121
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:43,040
You're only going to have to change an ownership.

1122
01:15:43,220 --> 01:15:46,820
You sell a property with a tenant, does the warrant become illegal on sale?

1123
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:49,720
And what happens to the tenant that's got in your lease?

1124
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:58,980
The reality is that it's not a question of being transferable, it's part of the use of

1125
01:15:58,980 --> 01:16:00,040
the home that's permitted.

1126
01:16:00,580 --> 01:16:07,420
Any new owner has to assume that legal use, and if they don't, again, we're getting back

1127
01:16:07,420 --> 01:16:08,040
to code enforcement.

1128
01:16:08,580 --> 01:16:13,960
I bring it up because the same thing happens with B&Bs all the time.

1129
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:19,700
They are different, but the point is, it doesn't say in the code, we do it as a

1130
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:23,000
is a conditional approval, not transferable to other owners,

1131
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,920
because they have to prove their living there.

1132
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:28,300
And any owner of the, yeah, since they don't require

1133
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:31,500
ZBA approval now from you, from the code,

1134
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:33,860
they have their subject to the same,

1135
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,020
look, the subject to the same rules

1136
01:16:36,020 --> 01:16:37,780
with regard to inmates of the property.

1137
01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:38,920
That's just the way it is.

1138
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:40,140
It's important to think about,

1139
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,440
and I did discuss that with the zoning consultant,

1140
01:16:42,660 --> 01:16:45,480
where do you want to have some safeguards built in

1141
01:16:45,480 --> 01:16:46,800
so people don't abuse it?

1142
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:47,920
That's all.

1143
01:16:49,700 --> 01:16:50,140
I'm leaving.

1144
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:53,160
Thank you.

1145
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:54,660
Not for leaving.

1146
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,760
No, not for leaving.

1147
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:58,400
I'm leaving.

1148
01:16:59,340 --> 01:17:01,580
Well, it's real life, I want to come back.

1149
01:17:05,140 --> 01:17:05,660
Thank

1150
01:17:09,820 --> 01:17:10,760
you, bye, to you.

1151
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:11,960
Yes.

1152
01:17:15,540 --> 01:17:16,300
Good night.

1153
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:20,220
Thank you so much.

1154
01:17:29,050 --> 01:17:29,470
I'm sorry.

1155
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:29,970
Yes.

1156
01:17:31,650 --> 01:17:33,050
I think it's a good break.

1157
01:17:35,930 --> 01:17:37,730
I don't think it was a good break.

1158
01:17:37,730 --> 01:17:38,450
I don't think it was a good break.

1159
01:17:39,810 --> 01:17:41,410
They want Jim to log into the room here

1160
01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:43,190
for the next discussion

1161
01:17:43,190 --> 01:17:44,390
and he's on his way.

1162
01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:48,140
There he is.

1163
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:49,200
Look at that.

1164
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:50,220
I'm sorry.

1165
01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:53,120
I'm a monster.

1166
01:17:53,860 --> 01:17:55,220
You can sit right there, Jim,

1167
01:17:55,340 --> 01:17:55,920
you're on the hot beer.

1168
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:02,980
I just want to pull up a coffee for this discussion.

1169
01:18:03,140 --> 01:18:03,580
I've got to be quick.

1170
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:04,320
You

1171
01:18:06,750 --> 01:18:08,230
have to break so that I don't have

1172
01:18:11,330 --> 01:18:12,810
to push it so round.

1173
01:18:14,490 --> 01:18:15,370
I'm going to go break it.

1174
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:16,030
You have a couple of clothes?

1175
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:17,150
I don't know.

1176
01:18:17,170 --> 01:18:17,950
I guess we're having a break.

1177
01:18:18,230 --> 01:18:19,370
I'm going to sit here and talk to Jim.

1178
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:20,430
How are you?

1179
01:18:20,430 --> 01:18:20,810
I'm not Jim.

1180
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:21,330
We're chilling.

1181
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:23,190
You're in all right.

1182
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:23,930
You're in all right.

1183
01:18:24,490 --> 01:18:25,170
Who went to school?

1184
01:18:25,590 --> 01:18:26,410
We did our homework.

1185
01:18:26,410 --> 01:18:27,050
Oh, wait, wait.

1186
01:18:27,310 --> 01:18:27,990
Yeah, that's fine.

1187
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:29,770
Michelle, can you let me know we're ready?

1188
01:19:28,460 --> 01:19:36,860
So we had discussed in our last code committee meeting for chapter 70 that we would discuss

1189
01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:40,740
We have some adding use to the developed rights of the land.

1190
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:45,140
The town board asked the plan department to put together

1191
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:54,580
some just some information for us, which I redistribute.

1192
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:57,280
Heather sent it to us and then I distributed it to everyone again.

1193
01:19:57,580 --> 01:20:00,820
Just to make sure that we all slide so we can have some fruitful discussion

1194
01:20:00,820 --> 01:20:07,360
today about what we're looking to allow on health and rights

1195
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:10,620
I

1196
01:20:14,110 --> 01:20:22,830
don't know exactly where we want to start and we want to start, I mean we discussed before about just, you know, processing and retailing, I think is our main focus right now.

1197
01:20:23,030 --> 01:20:30,630
So I don't know if we want to just start to discuss one or both or if anyone has any opening thoughts.

1198
01:20:30,630 --> 01:20:33,550
Yeah, I guess, you know, as I've been thinking about this,

1199
01:20:33,630 --> 01:20:35,470
one thing that we talked about last time

1200
01:20:35,470 --> 01:20:39,910
was maybe starting with processing and in retailing later.

1201
01:20:40,890 --> 01:20:44,070
I think in principle, I still like this idea

1202
01:20:44,070 --> 01:20:47,750
of trying to solve one problem and then move it on to the next one,

1203
01:20:48,730 --> 01:20:52,710
especially as we looked at, you know, some of the potential issues here.

1204
01:20:53,450 --> 01:20:56,510
I think it may be useful for the discussion

1205
01:20:56,510 --> 01:21:00,750
that we can at least decide if we have consensus on that point.

1206
01:21:01,170 --> 01:21:04,090
So we can focus our efforts now on processing,

1207
01:21:04,830 --> 01:21:08,390
or if there's the will to deal with both at the same time.

1208
01:21:10,090 --> 01:21:11,970
And I think that's it for the discussion for the board.

1209
01:21:12,430 --> 01:21:12,730
Yeah.

1210
01:21:14,250 --> 01:21:15,330
I mean, I should go ahead.

1211
01:21:15,530 --> 01:21:17,570
No, I was going to say, what do you stand in two things?

1212
01:21:17,670 --> 01:21:19,830
First of all, what are the uses

1213
01:21:19,830 --> 01:21:21,390
we're willing to extend to the ER?

1214
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:23,350
Secondly, what's going to be the relationship

1215
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:24,190
between those uses?

1216
01:21:24,350 --> 01:21:25,750
In other words, are you going to help them

1217
01:21:25,750 --> 01:21:29,090
more processing, we have less retailing,

1218
01:21:29,190 --> 01:21:30,770
but you don't allow for more retailing,

1219
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:31,390
you have less profit.

1220
01:21:31,610 --> 01:21:33,150
In other words, it's a scope and scale here.

1221
01:21:33,550 --> 01:21:36,030
If we also have to decide to support it.

1222
01:21:36,430 --> 01:21:37,810
I have been talking to you,

1223
01:21:38,370 --> 01:21:42,590
I know that the Ag Advisory Community or Committee views

1224
01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:44,550
this as we shouldn't have any restriction

1225
01:21:45,490 --> 01:21:47,650
just like any other problem.

1226
01:21:48,190 --> 01:21:50,510
All right, we should be basically

1227
01:21:50,510 --> 01:21:51,730
with selling the right to houses,

1228
01:21:52,050 --> 01:21:53,450
we're not selling the right to everything else

1229
01:21:53,450 --> 01:21:54,870
that we need to do with Ag operations.

1230
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:59,790
questions. The question is whether they can, what unless we accept that view in its entirety.

1231
01:22:00,110 --> 01:22:04,690
Or we want to say you have a point but we want to put some parameters in there because we

1232
01:22:04,690 --> 01:22:09,550
think there is a difference between the two. That's what this board has to address. I think

1233
01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:15,030
there's general agreement probably on most of adding those uses. The farmhouse is probably

1234
01:22:15,030 --> 01:22:19,690
something that we haven't discussed yet. I think that's going to be more of a challenge.

1235
01:22:19,690 --> 01:22:21,590
But actually, where's he's on his side?

1236
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:22,650
Farmhouse.

1237
01:22:22,990 --> 01:22:23,450
Farmhouse.

1238
01:22:24,490 --> 01:22:25,350
Farmworker housing?

1239
01:22:25,630 --> 01:22:27,870
No, no, farm labor housing's pretty clear.

1240
01:22:28,730 --> 01:22:30,070
It would be farm housing.

1241
01:22:30,330 --> 01:22:33,170
Chris and others talked about, look, the family member

1242
01:22:33,170 --> 01:22:35,210
has the right to a farmstead,

1243
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:37,730
and then the daughter has a penlet that the son,

1244
01:22:38,310 --> 01:22:39,870
which you can get a little bit out of here.

1245
01:22:40,410 --> 01:22:42,270
But I think, I think there's general agreement.

1246
01:22:42,870 --> 01:22:44,870
Again, we haven't had that,

1247
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:47,410
we haven't gotten that for the discussion,

1248
01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:50,510
but I think there's general agreement on a lot of these things.

1249
01:22:50,770 --> 01:22:52,290
The question is what's going to be the scope,

1250
01:22:52,510 --> 01:22:55,650
the scale of the conditions, and what's

1251
01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:57,450
going to be the location, which is I know

1252
01:22:57,450 --> 01:22:58,830
it's going to really force you down.

1253
01:22:59,170 --> 01:23:01,850
But are we going to allow it anywhere on the farm,

1254
01:23:02,130 --> 01:23:05,450
or are we going to require it in those core, say,

1255
01:23:06,030 --> 01:23:07,850
activity areas, which is, I guess,

1256
01:23:08,490 --> 01:23:10,610
for lack of a better word, that's

1257
01:23:10,610 --> 01:23:12,730
what the land preservation focus is on.

1258
01:23:12,850 --> 01:23:15,190
So look, we're trying to balance out your right to uses,

1259
01:23:15,190 --> 01:23:17,710
but we don't have significant issues and things like that.

1260
01:23:18,010 --> 01:23:21,730
I agree with the overall point you're making here, Scott,

1261
01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:23,710
that I think we do need to decide

1262
01:23:23,710 --> 01:23:25,430
what all of these uses are.

1263
01:23:25,930 --> 01:23:29,270
But I wonder just in terms of focusing our discussion

1264
01:23:29,270 --> 01:23:32,750
and getting some updates done as soon as possible,

1265
01:23:33,250 --> 01:23:35,450
if it makes sense to kind of deal

1266
01:23:35,450 --> 01:23:36,990
with the low-hanging fruit first,

1267
01:23:37,590 --> 01:23:40,470
and I see processing as something,

1268
01:23:40,610 --> 01:23:42,970
at least it seemed like from the discussion last time,

1269
01:23:42,970 --> 01:23:45,510
that there was at least general consensus

1270
01:23:45,510 --> 01:23:47,530
that that was something we wanted to allow.

1271
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:49,610
So let's deal with that now,

1272
01:23:49,870 --> 01:23:51,070
and then we can move on to,

1273
01:23:52,190 --> 01:23:55,790
and I think this in some sense is up to AG advisory

1274
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:58,830
to advise us on what their priorities are here.

1275
01:24:00,470 --> 01:24:02,350
If we wanna move on to retailing next,

1276
01:24:02,510 --> 01:24:03,750
we can move on to retailing,

1277
01:24:03,810 --> 01:24:04,810
deal with retailing.

1278
01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:07,210
If we wanna deal with AG worker housing,

1279
01:24:07,330 --> 01:24:08,870
we can deal with AG worker housing.

1280
01:24:09,430 --> 01:24:12,290
But let's get an easy win here,

1281
01:24:12,290 --> 01:24:15,690
and get at least processing on the books.

1282
01:24:16,090 --> 01:24:22,150
Because I think it's something that we have the code

1283
01:24:22,790 --> 01:24:24,910
that was updated, what, three years ago

1284
01:24:24,910 --> 01:24:27,130
on developing rights and tackling

1285
01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:28,990
as a model that we can follow.

1286
01:24:30,610 --> 01:24:32,590
I think the planning department

1287
01:24:32,590 --> 01:24:35,750
fits together some good analysis of that program

1288
01:24:36,170 --> 01:24:38,590
and some modeling for us to look at here

1289
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:41,250
that we can have a really focused discussion

1290
01:24:41,250 --> 01:24:44,330
and get something done soon?

1291
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:47,250
Here's the issue, which was what, again,

1292
01:24:47,410 --> 01:24:48,950
we're getting facts out of the news.

1293
01:24:49,070 --> 01:24:51,490
Here's the issue, general lab processing,

1294
01:24:51,970 --> 01:24:53,230
we've registered the alarm.

1295
01:24:53,490 --> 01:24:53,630
Yes.

1296
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:55,130
It's a processing structure,

1297
01:24:55,310 --> 01:24:56,690
there's gonna be a lab any more in that one.

1298
01:24:58,330 --> 01:25:01,430
That's, again, we can talk about adding those uses,

1299
01:25:01,630 --> 01:25:03,290
but you gotta tell us what are the conditions here

1300
01:25:03,290 --> 01:25:04,830
under which you need to pursue those uses.

1301
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:05,310
Absolutely.

1302
01:25:05,670 --> 01:25:07,170
The only thing I would suggest in here

1303
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:10,230
is that we focus on that discussion now,

1304
01:25:10,230 --> 01:25:13,790
and leave the other discussions aside for a moment

1305
01:25:14,470 --> 01:25:15,910
so we can answer the questions.

1306
01:25:16,050 --> 01:25:18,450
I think the more questions we put on the table,

1307
01:25:18,590 --> 01:25:20,530
the more difficulty we're gonna have

1308
01:25:20,530 --> 01:25:21,810
in answering them all.

1309
01:25:22,270 --> 01:25:25,870
If we can focus the questions on ag processing right now,

1310
01:25:26,970 --> 01:25:31,290
there's a limited number of questions.

1311
01:25:32,090 --> 01:25:34,070
And I think because there's already the will

1312
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:37,470
of the board to allow it, it should be easier.

1313
01:25:37,470 --> 01:25:43,630
Because they go hand in hand, I mean, you can't say yes, you can have eye processing, but not say we're in the wrong way.

1314
01:25:44,230 --> 01:25:47,630
Yes, no, and I agree with you, and maybe I'm being unclear.

1315
01:25:47,710 --> 01:25:54,450
He's asking to keep like retail out of it, to keep, you know, slave turnover, how, all the other things.

1316
01:25:54,630 --> 01:25:59,690
So just talking about processing and where it's going to be located is the discussion for now.

1317
01:25:59,870 --> 01:26:01,970
Because that's all important stuff.

1318
01:26:01,970 --> 01:26:08,910
I agree, but I do think it's going to be fairly broad because of your process to intelligent back when you're retailing,

1319
01:26:10,050 --> 01:26:13,710
so I mean, how much do you back it up if it's all listed on your land?

1320
01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:17,070
I would like that to be...

1321
01:26:17,070 --> 01:26:26,930
I think that that dynamic is sort of in a way already set, but I think that the size of the retail operation is the conversation that we have to have,

1322
01:26:27,010 --> 01:26:28,810
if we're going to allow retailing.

1323
01:26:28,810 --> 01:26:34,170
I think that it's already tied together that, you know,

1324
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:38,790
that ag production occurs, that the retailing is of the atrox.

1325
01:26:39,470 --> 01:26:43,590
I think it's more about size than the placement of retail that we have to discuss.

1326
01:26:43,730 --> 01:26:46,490
And I think that that's a bigger issue, I agree with Greg.

1327
01:26:47,190 --> 01:26:51,710
I think that there's more of a general agreement and a will to move forward

1328
01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:55,630
in the discussions processing, because I think we can all agree that, you know,

1329
01:26:55,630 --> 01:26:57,970
And we have protected all of this land,

1330
01:26:58,110 --> 01:27:00,570
but we should need to be able to keep it in agriculture.

1331
01:27:00,970 --> 01:27:02,570
And the way we do that is with processing.

1332
01:27:02,850 --> 01:27:04,590
So I think that that should be the course of conversation.

1333
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:09,890
Do you have different opinion from the AAC of priorities

1334
01:27:09,890 --> 01:27:11,630
of how you want to talk about this, or?

1335
01:27:13,650 --> 01:27:16,210
So look, we're advisory to you guys.

1336
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:21,210
We've been working on this for many, many, many years.

1337
01:27:21,210 --> 01:27:25,850
we've beaded up ad nauseam among our committee members.

1338
01:27:27,250 --> 01:27:31,390
We've now proposed to you what we would advise.

1339
01:27:34,090 --> 01:27:37,530
There's an underlying principle

1340
01:27:38,070 --> 01:27:41,450
that I think we are all in agreement on,

1341
01:27:42,030 --> 01:27:42,950
the advisory committee,

1342
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:48,110
that when you sell your development rights,

1343
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:53,490
you do not sell your agricultural rights.

1344
01:27:53,490 --> 01:28:01,850
any of them. And it is our strong belief that we do not want to have a system of

1345
01:28:01,850 --> 01:28:07,330
haves and have-nots among the farming community out here. I think if the town

1346
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:15,190
is serious about being a farmer-friendly town, which I believe it is, but if

1347
01:28:15,190 --> 01:28:21,190
that putting money where our mouth is as a town

1348
01:28:22,610 --> 01:28:26,650
and wanna see farming prosper in perpetuity,

1349
01:28:28,820 --> 01:28:32,480
we don't wanna have a system of haves and have nots.

1350
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:34,220
All right, and I think that boils down

1351
01:28:34,220 --> 01:28:39,540
to an underlying principle that your ag production rights

1352
01:28:40,140 --> 01:28:41,860
must stay intact.

1353
01:28:41,860 --> 01:28:51,080
Now, the idea of retelling in our language we're calling, we call it direct farm marketing.

1354
01:28:51,880 --> 01:29:02,800
Direct farm marketing and processing are rights that development rights intact lands have currently.

1355
01:29:04,420 --> 01:29:08,520
The way Chapter 7 is written, that is not the case currently.

1356
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:30,760
We want to, I think everyone's in agreement. We want to rectify that. The question is how far are you guys willing to go in terms of evening the playing field amongst the farm community by having the same rights, agricultural rights for all farmers.

1357
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:40,540
So that is up to you guys to decide how you want to go about evening the playing field.

1358
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:52,560
But we as a committee would like to not have it, not distinguish the two.

1359
01:29:53,380 --> 01:29:58,440
I understand they have different angle, there's different angles to both to consider.

1360
01:29:59,540 --> 01:29:59,980
as a community.

1361
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,760
Committee, we are in agreement, as we proposed to you guys, that both pieces are equally important

1362
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:16,420
to us, and that we would like to see them both pursued preferentially together. That would

1363
01:30:16,420 --> 01:30:21,860
be our interest. Look, we know how the

1364
01:30:24,100 --> 01:30:28,060
pace of government can move sometimes, and I would

1365
01:30:28,060 --> 01:30:32,880
I hate to see, yeah, we get processing in

1366
01:30:33,880 --> 01:30:36,840
only to have direct farm marketing languish

1367
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:37,600
for years and years.

1368
01:30:38,120 --> 01:30:43,020
There's farmers today who need that.

1369
01:30:43,420 --> 01:30:45,760
There's farmers today who need processing too.

1370
01:30:48,660 --> 01:30:52,100
Getting back to the farmer-friendly analogy,

1371
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:56,220
we I think all agree, we wanna think of ourselves

1372
01:30:56,220 --> 01:31:01,980
as a farmer-friendly community and in many ways we are currently this is an

1373
01:31:01,980 --> 01:31:07,540
area that needs to be rectified in order to to better our friendliness.

1374
01:31:07,920 --> 01:31:14,500
I think you raise a key question here that we need to decide how far we want to go with this.

1375
01:31:15,260 --> 01:31:21,120
And I think there you know there are philosophical issues that need to be

1376
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:29,540
answer that there may not be a single answer to and I think one of the

1377
01:31:29,540 --> 01:31:35,940
challenges we're facing and we see it even here balancing the views and

1378
01:31:35,940 --> 01:31:39,760
interests and philosophies of the land preservation committee with the

1379
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:45,540
agricultural advisory committee and I think what I'm proposing here is an

1380
01:31:45,540 --> 01:31:50,600
effort to focus the discussion because I believe that there's probably more

1381
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:56,380
agreement within these different, let's call them, interest groups within the

1382
01:31:56,380 --> 01:32:04,260
community, but there's a lot of uncertainty which breeds fear, which

1383
01:32:04,260 --> 01:32:10,300
breeds resistance, which I think on the board we've seen over the years has

1384
01:32:10,300 --> 01:32:18,140
led to inaction on some of these issues, and I can promise you that in my

1385
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:25,080
next three years on the board. If we can get ag processing on, I will focus the

1386
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:32,420
same amount of attention on my belief retailing should be next. Because I

1387
01:32:32,420 --> 01:32:37,660
think, you know, if we talk about added value in agriculture, it's both in

1388
01:32:37,660 --> 01:32:42,860
the processing and it's also in the ability to sell them directly. I think

1389
01:32:42,860 --> 01:32:47,240
I think those are two key, key elements to the future of farming.

1390
01:32:47,980 --> 01:32:53,020
I'm not a farmer, and I will take guidance from agricultural advisory.

1391
01:32:53,900 --> 01:32:59,860
I just don't see how we decide generally how far we want to go.

1392
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:06,220
When we need to balance the interests of advisory, land preservation, the community,

1393
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:09,560
you know, people that have supported the program over the years,

1394
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:18,220
I think that the more we can break this discussion down into manageable chunks with the commitment

1395
01:33:18,220 --> 01:33:23,820
that we're not just going to check off the box and move on to something that's unrelated,

1396
01:33:24,900 --> 01:33:29,280
because these issues need to be solved, or we're seeing it now,

1397
01:33:29,420 --> 01:33:34,080
that land out on the North Fork is some of the most expensive in the country.

1398
01:33:34,540 --> 01:33:39,160
And if we want to keep it in agriculture, we need to support the business of farming.

1399
01:33:39,780 --> 01:33:41,140
Farming is more than a view.

1400
01:33:42,180 --> 01:33:42,940
It's a business.

1401
01:33:43,500 --> 01:33:46,020
And we need to make the business of farming sustainable.

1402
01:33:46,620 --> 01:33:50,900
And at least in my mind, that's through processing and all the farms we're dealing with.

1403
01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:53,400
I think we agree with all of that great.

1404
01:33:54,020 --> 01:33:56,200
The issue is first, the hats and hats nots.

1405
01:33:56,340 --> 01:33:59,340
This is what agriculture of land preservation is going to say.

1406
01:33:59,340 --> 01:34:10,260
Well, this process that happens and perhaps not is also who's received and who hasn't received and people that have sold development rights, what are they selling?

1407
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:17,260
You know, there's going to be an issue there, but if you want to take and focus separately, then let's make a decision right now.

1408
01:34:17,420 --> 01:34:23,700
Are you willing to accept ag processing as a form building without restriction anywhere on the PD argument?

1409
01:34:25,060 --> 01:34:27,080
Me? Yes, to a certain size.

1410
01:34:27,900 --> 01:34:30,860
Well, they think the town code already declares a size.

1411
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:36,080
But what I'm trying to say here is let's focus the discussion

1412
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:41,720
because I don't think we will ever come to an answer on this general question.

1413
01:34:42,380 --> 01:34:51,620
If we frame it in terms of have and have nots related to all of the rights on PDR land, we will never answer that question.

1414
01:34:51,620 --> 01:35:01,400
Then let's answer it now. Are you willing to add processing as well used anywhere on that app?

1415
01:35:03,770 --> 01:35:15,530
Well what didn't Heather point out in her most recent writings on this that zoning already addresses that

1416
01:35:15,530 --> 01:35:18,930
and must be in the backyard or something for that effect?

1417
01:35:20,250 --> 01:35:20,810
No.

1418
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:25,230
If it did, I mean there's a mistake in the code.

1419
01:35:25,430 --> 01:35:26,530
There's a mistake in the language.

1420
01:35:27,230 --> 01:35:27,990
Oh, that's all right.

1421
01:35:28,270 --> 01:35:28,910
No, I'm sorry.

1422
01:35:29,130 --> 01:35:31,570
It is currently considered an excess for use.

1423
01:35:32,210 --> 01:35:35,870
The problem is that was also something you wanted to change,

1424
01:35:36,530 --> 01:35:39,290
was not moving from 280 to 70.

1425
01:35:39,590 --> 01:35:41,690
This is what the whole purpose of the discussion is.

1426
01:35:41,690 --> 01:35:50,930
So as you take it out of 280, chapter 280, and you're moving it to 70, it now becomes a principal use, and there is no such thing as moving it into the back door.

1427
01:35:52,410 --> 01:36:11,530
Well, so here's a question, I guess, because it's sort of the root of, some of the root of what you're asking is, you know, if we're going to allow processing, is it, I think right now it's supposed to be, you know, close to, as an accessory use, right?

1428
01:36:11,530 --> 01:36:13,810
It's supposed to be close to the primary use, right?

1429
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:15,570
It's supposed to be within the crowd.

1430
01:36:16,030 --> 01:36:18,090
But if we're looking at adding processing,

1431
01:36:18,410 --> 01:36:21,470
does it matter to the board if it's all the way to back?

1432
01:36:21,930 --> 01:36:23,870
Does it matter if it's right out in the front?

1433
01:36:24,090 --> 01:36:27,170
Where is it that it's a problem?

1434
01:36:27,450 --> 01:36:28,970
I mean, if we're looking into that,

1435
01:36:29,150 --> 01:36:32,390
and we're talking about view sheds and things like that,

1436
01:36:32,910 --> 01:36:35,090
what's wrong with the processing facility

1437
01:36:35,090 --> 01:36:35,970
in the back of the property?

1438
01:36:36,250 --> 01:36:37,370
Well, you still have to investigate.

1439
01:36:37,690 --> 01:36:39,770
Yeah, you still have to put the gate

1440
01:36:39,770 --> 01:36:40,870
that's going to be permitted.

1441
01:36:40,870 --> 01:36:43,170
In other words, what the Ag Advisor Committee says,

1442
01:36:43,510 --> 01:36:44,890
look, we want to be able to do this.

1443
01:36:45,030 --> 01:36:46,090
We're going to decide for ourselves

1444
01:36:46,090 --> 01:36:47,490
where that best location is.

1445
01:36:47,830 --> 01:36:49,850
If you're going to say, I don't put it in the back,

1446
01:36:50,050 --> 01:36:52,070
well, it's no different than the land preservation.

1447
01:36:52,150 --> 01:36:53,910
I'm going to put it to the side, so definitely

1448
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:54,890
maintain the same usage.

1449
01:36:55,210 --> 01:36:57,810
You're still dictating to them where you go.

1450
01:36:58,030 --> 01:37:00,550
And that's what they're saying, isn't what should be.

1451
01:37:00,610 --> 01:37:02,970
Usually what dictates location structures

1452
01:37:03,450 --> 01:37:06,590
is the least desirable piece of property for farming.

1453
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:09,130
So if we don't get rid of all that,

1454
01:37:09,130 --> 01:37:11,390
I'm just trying to clarify what they understand.

1455
01:37:11,390 --> 01:37:14,090
For utilities, electricity and water and things like that.

1456
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:17,990
Right, proximity to utilities, which

1457
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:19,010
may not be in the backyard.

1458
01:37:20,210 --> 01:37:21,890
In fact, it's usually in the front.

1459
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:25,190
If you want to change this, processing,

1460
01:37:25,450 --> 01:37:27,370
all you have to do is one simple thing.

1461
01:37:27,790 --> 01:37:29,410
Take it from 280 foot to 7.

1462
01:37:29,850 --> 01:37:31,710
But what's going to happen once you do that

1463
01:37:31,710 --> 01:37:33,990
is ag processing is going to be

1464
01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:36,890
considered an ag structure, free and clear of everything

1465
01:37:36,890 --> 01:37:41,190
Everything else is going to comply with every easement that's been drafted since the beginning

1466
01:37:41,630 --> 01:37:44,110
and it's going to allow processing anywhere in that form.

1467
01:37:45,010 --> 01:37:48,910
Based on current code, based on current allowances, based on current occurrences.

1468
01:37:49,390 --> 01:37:50,430
Is that what this board wants?

1469
01:37:51,730 --> 01:37:55,130
You don't want to allow it anywhere as an act of it.

1470
01:37:55,410 --> 01:38:00,310
I think you have a lot of had pride from the public that remember we had someone

1471
01:38:00,310 --> 01:38:04,870
that was doing processing, this is a long time ago, right next to the neighboring house.

1472
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:12,190
And I can't remember what it was for, but the compressors and everything else running on the noise, I would like to point to that.

1473
01:38:12,190 --> 01:38:18,170
I think we'll have a public that says, we have to have processing, but we also want to see a few.

1474
01:38:21,970 --> 01:38:23,530
That's just what I have to add.

1475
01:38:24,350 --> 01:38:24,790
Great.

1476
01:38:25,130 --> 01:38:27,850
Great said, let's take this one at a time.

1477
01:38:28,370 --> 01:38:28,990
Well, here we are.

1478
01:38:29,190 --> 01:38:30,370
Make the decision.

1479
01:38:30,370 --> 01:38:33,210
Do we want to move it to Chapter 70 and boom,

1480
01:38:33,330 --> 01:38:34,950
in order to manage these kinds of age structures

1481
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:36,550
and select and run the farm?

1482
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:37,470
What do you say?

1483
01:38:38,090 --> 01:38:42,090
I think what we should do is focus on, again,

1484
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:44,490
the interrelationships of we allow for processing,

1485
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:47,910
but we have to take it globally

1486
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:50,230
and say, well, we're going to require certain limits.

1487
01:38:50,650 --> 01:38:53,310
I'm sorry, I do not think that we should say

1488
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:55,470
this farm with development rights

1489
01:38:55,470 --> 01:38:56,970
sold in this farm that doesn't have it,

1490
01:38:56,990 --> 01:38:58,810
so it should be treated exactly the same way.

1491
01:38:58,990 --> 01:38:59,930
I just don't agree with that.

1492
01:38:59,930 --> 01:39:01,670
But all I need to point out though,

1493
01:39:01,770 --> 01:39:03,150
and this is one of the stumbling blocks,

1494
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:08,550
that is, should we require the two acre bulk schedule?

1495
01:39:09,050 --> 01:39:12,170
And my argument is, give you that allowed use

1496
01:39:12,170 --> 01:39:13,930
for half a share of whatever it is,

1497
01:39:14,050 --> 01:39:15,930
so that you can add more uses,

1498
01:39:16,270 --> 01:39:20,670
rather than just those few uses allowed for more,

1499
01:39:20,930 --> 01:39:23,210
in other words, I think it's okay for town to say,

1500
01:39:23,550 --> 01:39:25,050
look, we want to balance these things here,

1501
01:39:25,150 --> 01:39:27,230
seeing a few sheds, and the right for farmers

1502
01:39:27,230 --> 01:39:28,670
to pursue their uses.

1503
01:39:28,670 --> 01:39:36,810
We can do that and we can also allow farmers to substantially add to their uses by getting away from the two acres only.

1504
01:39:37,010 --> 01:39:47,970
But before we get to the bulk schedule for the first question of location, you know, I think we do need some sort of, you know, guidance on where these structures are going.

1505
01:39:48,170 --> 01:39:48,890
How do we do that?

1506
01:39:49,370 --> 01:39:49,970
That's a good question.

1507
01:39:51,670 --> 01:39:56,910
I think that, I don't know, I just want to go forward that even the process of

1508
01:39:56,910 --> 01:40:01,370
social development rights, the new laws that whatever the place would apply to them should.

1509
01:40:01,650 --> 01:40:04,790
There wouldn't matter. Based on code language, based on use of that language.

1510
01:40:05,490 --> 01:40:06,830
I'm not sure all of it is.

1511
01:40:07,030 --> 01:40:08,670
You're right, that's a good point.

1512
01:40:08,850 --> 01:40:17,110
Well, there is a recommendation in one of these for us to consider potentially allowing this on the new business first.

1513
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:27,780
I think well I think it's the opposite I think land preservation agreed to not

1514
01:40:27,780 --> 01:40:31,840
have language in there so that there aren't recent other words they want to

1515
01:40:31,840 --> 01:40:35,860
remove shall not be able to read that shall not be able to process they're

1516
01:40:35,860 --> 01:40:39,280
going to remove that so there's no second conference so regardless so let

1517
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:44,220
the code evolve I don't think it's gonna get in the way of that but yeah

1518
01:40:44,220 --> 01:40:45,500
that the, what's that?

1519
01:40:46,180 --> 01:40:49,060
What's that's exactly what's answered at the last,

1520
01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:51,340
that's exactly what's answered,

1521
01:40:51,480 --> 01:40:53,080
and I think everybody even verified that.

1522
01:40:53,580 --> 01:40:56,460
So it's currently 1.5% lot of coverage, correct?

1523
01:40:56,700 --> 01:40:57,440
For processing building?

1524
01:40:57,820 --> 01:40:57,960
Yeah.

1525
01:40:59,100 --> 01:40:59,660
Maximum.

1526
01:41:01,460 --> 01:41:06,100
I would contend, Scott, I know you said something

1527
01:41:06,820 --> 01:41:12,440
contrary, but again, if we want to include

1528
01:41:12,440 --> 01:41:19,460
processing on DRS lands it should be equal treatment that advisory strongly

1529
01:41:19,460 --> 01:41:26,980
believes. So if it's 1.5% currently that would pertain to all Ag lands

1530
01:41:26,980 --> 01:41:36,560
regardless of their development right status. As to the placement I'm actually

1531
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:40,360
not familiar I haven't put up a processing building but to their

1532
01:41:40,360 --> 01:41:46,700
replacement, the review process in town is exactly what site review, site plan review,

1533
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:59,610
during that process, what restrictions or what, what would dictate the location of that

1534
01:41:59,610 --> 01:42:00,050
currently.

1535
01:42:00,890 --> 01:42:07,970
But within the existing code, buildings under a certain limit are examined from the site

1536
01:42:07,970 --> 01:42:08,670
planning process.

1537
01:42:09,570 --> 01:42:15,530
The planning board has the authority to weigh any site plan for any ice structure at any time.

1538
01:42:15,970 --> 01:42:18,650
It's probably not realistic to do that.

1539
01:42:19,550 --> 01:42:20,850
So is that mechanism...

1540
01:42:20,850 --> 01:42:24,090
I think to answer this question of how we do it, is it the site plan?

1541
01:42:24,490 --> 01:42:27,490
No, because planning board can't dictate what you put in the bar.

1542
01:42:28,230 --> 01:42:30,070
Well, I'm sorry, the ice structure.

1543
01:42:30,590 --> 01:42:31,410
They can...

1544
01:42:31,410 --> 01:42:32,670
So there's currently no...

1545
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:36,670
Well, I'm sorry, when they try, you get to the ten annual situation.

1546
01:42:36,670 --> 01:42:44,490
situation of how likely to pronounce it. That's what I can explain to Troy to do that. You get an application being held up for seven years, that's not serving your interests.

1547
01:42:44,810 --> 01:42:45,970
No, no, clearly not.

1548
01:42:47,490 --> 01:42:49,510
And how do you pronounce that? Is that even close?

1549
01:42:49,710 --> 01:42:50,130
It is.

1550
01:42:50,450 --> 01:42:50,990
Is that even close?

1551
01:42:54,450 --> 01:43:05,910
So I'll just put my opinion out there of, you know, what you're sort of asking for and what I see. And I've, I actually worked quite a bit on this and did a lot of modeling to try different percentages

1552
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:11,050
and look at acreage and applying it to my business

1553
01:43:11,890 --> 01:43:15,010
and just trying to see sort of what the scale,

1554
01:43:15,110 --> 01:43:18,930
size and scale of things that would be needed to do,

1555
01:43:19,170 --> 01:43:24,670
to have an ad, a modified ad processing facility.

1556
01:43:25,130 --> 01:43:27,110
But one thing I wanna just address first

1557
01:43:27,110 --> 01:43:29,210
and that I think is a big concern for everybody,

1558
01:43:29,650 --> 01:43:30,810
I could really send it out there,

1559
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:34,290
but the 1.5% that we're talking about,

1560
01:43:34,290 --> 01:43:36,290
that's allowed in the development rights intact land.

1561
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:41,120
We have big players coming into this town.

1562
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:46,040
And historically, this town has been small farmers

1563
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:50,160
that have mostly sold their things here and whatever,

1564
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:54,160
but we are at a different level than we were back then.

1565
01:43:54,540 --> 01:43:58,040
And if we're looking at doing this same sort of 1.5%

1566
01:43:58,040 --> 01:43:59,660
on development rights sold land,

1567
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:02,760
I do think that we are opening a mechanism

1568
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:07,700
for the billionaires to be coming in and buying farmland

1569
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:10,240
sheep and putting up massive structures.

1570
01:44:10,500 --> 01:44:11,400
And that's not the intent.

1571
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:12,640
I know that's not what you're thinking,

1572
01:44:12,740 --> 01:44:14,180
or anyone in this room is thinking,

1573
01:44:14,420 --> 01:44:15,720
because none of us are doing that.

1574
01:44:15,900 --> 01:44:18,060
But there are people here doing that and coming.

1575
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:21,180
And what really concerns me is being a small business owner

1576
01:44:21,180 --> 01:44:23,500
and something that came here and built a business like this

1577
01:44:23,500 --> 01:44:25,680
is I don't even know if it's

1578
01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:28,700
tenable for people like my family anymore

1579
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:31,140
to be doing, to build and add business,

1580
01:44:31,140 --> 01:44:33,360
is to buy a piece of property to put up processing

1581
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,480
and do this anymore because of the costs.

1582
01:44:36,060 --> 01:44:39,200
And what I'm concerned with opening up the 1.5%

1583
01:44:39,200 --> 01:44:41,620
is it's making it even less attainable.

1584
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:43,420
I'm not even sure that it's possible now.

1585
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:44,740
I mean, Anthony just did it recently,

1586
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:46,780
so maybe there is still some room,

1587
01:44:47,220 --> 01:44:49,040
but I'm not even sure, you know,

1588
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:51,360
now with land prices and all these costs,

1589
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,320
and if we are opening up development rights of land

1590
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:58,480
for big money to come in and buy, you know,

1591
01:45:02,990 --> 01:45:11,010
I think the opposite side is if we don't allow it, we are now going to lose the budget.

1592
01:45:11,010 --> 01:45:16,650
I'm saying that it's going to have to be capped, I think.

1593
01:45:17,130 --> 01:45:23,350
There's a self-limiting of crap, Sarah. The self-limiting cap is you must process your own product.

1594
01:45:23,810 --> 01:45:28,830
So how much, how big of a problem is this like, are you going to build if you can only

1595
01:45:28,830 --> 01:45:28,950
build a product?

1596
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:34,730
But if you have 270 acres and there are farms that are, you know, even 100 acres, let's

1597
01:45:34,730 --> 01:45:38,610
just say 100 acres in this town, it's a 65,000 square foot building.

1598
01:45:39,970 --> 01:45:40,250
That's big.

1599
01:45:40,290 --> 01:45:42,910
If it doesn't have to be acreage all together, it's going to be spread out.

1600
01:45:43,310 --> 01:45:44,310
That's where we're at.

1601
01:45:44,370 --> 01:45:45,170
That's plus size.

1602
01:45:45,890 --> 01:45:46,290
That's...

1603
01:45:48,270 --> 01:45:52,090
I understand, and that's what I was trying to do with my modeling and my scaling

1604
01:45:52,090 --> 01:45:57,230
is scaling the size of the property to the amount of production and you know I think that

1605
01:45:57,230 --> 01:46:05,870
I think that there is space to allow processing in a smaller scale that still allows you to

1606
01:46:05,870 --> 01:46:08,570
be able to process the amount of anchorage that you have.

1607
01:46:09,010 --> 01:46:16,470
We run square up against the concept though of the halfs and half months.

1608
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:23,000
I understand that but there is you know there is this element and I'm not looking

1609
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:29,780
Looking at it from the sort of land preservation, I am thinking about that, but what I'm thinking

1610
01:46:29,780 --> 01:46:35,120
about is the difference in cost of that land price, the difference in cost of those two

1611
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:41,260
farms, and the risk that we are running of making things overly permissive on development

1612
01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:48,380
rights of land and having that, you know, there be 65,000 square foot processing facilities

1613
01:46:48,380 --> 01:46:51,040
is all over on these development rights sole parcels

1614
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:52,860
where they spent less money for acreage.

1615
01:46:53,340 --> 01:46:56,080
If somebody wants to be able to put up a building that size,

1616
01:46:56,180 --> 01:46:58,420
they need to be paying full price for the listened.

1617
01:46:59,100 --> 01:47:01,200
And I don't think that it's fair for the farmers

1618
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:05,340
that have sold their development rights to you know,

1619
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:08,760
I just, I don't want to run into that

1620
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:13,380
when we have this run on our development rights

1621
01:47:13,380 --> 01:47:15,820
sole properties because we're going to allow,

1622
01:47:15,820 --> 01:47:20,360
because it's cheaper farmland for these players that are coming.

1623
01:47:20,420 --> 01:47:23,500
Right, and yet we are stuck with the reality.

1624
01:47:23,860 --> 01:47:26,720
We want a land preservation program.

1625
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:33,620
We want to preserve farmland, not only for so many reasons.

1626
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:36,460
We're preserving farmland.

1627
01:47:37,200 --> 01:47:39,720
I'm a testament to one of the reasons.

1628
01:47:41,500 --> 01:47:44,740
I am in an affordable farmland program.

1629
01:47:44,740 --> 01:47:48,000
I bought a development rights sold piece of land.

1630
01:47:48,460 --> 01:47:51,800
It's the only way I could get my foot into the industry.

1631
01:47:52,920 --> 01:47:54,220
And I did so.

1632
01:47:54,500 --> 01:48:00,020
But 23 acres, and I would not have been able to do so.

1633
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,340
So we want to incur two farmers, right?

1634
01:48:03,660 --> 01:48:05,060
And this is one tool.

1635
01:48:05,420 --> 01:48:06,520
It's like affordable housing.

1636
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,840
It's affordable farmland, the same idea.

1637
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:22,580
But secondly, the development rights sold lands that you're referring to that may have, you know,

1638
01:48:23,060 --> 01:48:25,000
a desire to put up a processing building.

1639
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:29,320
Look, most majority of farmers wouldn't.

1640
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,200
I don't have any need for a processing building.

1641
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:41,980
However, if you wanted to build one, you would be limited by your production capacity on your farm.

1642
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:47,640
And no farm is going to ever put up a 67,000 square foot processing building.

1643
01:48:48,180 --> 01:48:50,640
No matter how large they are, it just wouldn't happen.

1644
01:48:50,700 --> 01:48:55,580
Here's one thing that I think will help this discussion is we're just talking about a processing facility.

1645
01:48:55,580 --> 01:48:56,880
be right now and develop the right solution.

1646
01:48:57,100 --> 01:49:00,420
You can put up barns, you can put up ag structures.

1647
01:49:02,060 --> 01:49:04,220
I think that one thing that would help this discussion

1648
01:49:04,220 --> 01:49:04,980
is separating.

1649
01:49:05,740 --> 01:49:09,300
I mean, if someone's going to put up

1650
01:49:09,300 --> 01:49:12,240
a strictly processing facility,

1651
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:14,320
if that is limited in square footage,

1652
01:49:14,440 --> 01:49:17,920
however, there is storage elsewhere.

1653
01:49:19,220 --> 01:49:21,360
There's, and the thing about wine storage,

1654
01:49:21,560 --> 01:49:23,080
if there's key storage in a different barn,

1655
01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:27,140
If they're you know it different different things can break that up

1656
01:49:27,140 --> 01:49:32,820
So it's not all you don't need to have as big of a building because if we can have case storage in a different farm

1657
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:36,860
That's already allowed in public rights of land. You know if you can have different things

1658
01:49:36,860 --> 01:49:42,120
Sure, just we're just literally talking about processing facility. I think that most

1659
01:49:42,620 --> 01:49:48,700
Products that are grown and processed in this town can be processed in a building that has a limit

1660
01:49:48,700 --> 01:49:52,940
I don't think that it needs to be a 65,000 square foot

1661
01:49:52,940 --> 01:49:55,940
for anybody, no winery, no brewery,

1662
01:49:56,020 --> 01:49:57,380
no anything needs to be that way.

1663
01:49:57,980 --> 01:50:00,840
So I think that we can have, we could allow

1664
01:50:00,840 --> 01:50:03,700
a processing facility, a processing building

1665
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:05,800
on development rights homeland that has a cap

1666
01:50:06,540 --> 01:50:10,600
because the business can do some different things

1667
01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:10,980
elsewhere.

1668
01:50:11,720 --> 01:50:13,580
One other thing that I thought of

1669
01:50:13,580 --> 01:50:15,600
and this is something for the board to discuss

1670
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:21,100
is what is our sort of appetite for non-permanent buildings

1671
01:50:21,100 --> 01:50:23,000
such as like shipping containers.

1672
01:50:23,420 --> 01:50:25,660
Shipping containers can be climate controlled.

1673
01:50:26,240 --> 01:50:28,820
They are not, they don't have to sit on the slab.

1674
01:50:29,540 --> 01:50:31,860
They can sit on a fresh rock or whatever.

1675
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:33,800
They are removable, they are removable.

1676
01:50:34,540 --> 01:50:36,620
You could do quite a bit, you could do barrel storage,

1677
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:38,900
you could do case storage, you could do different.

1678
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:39,720
They're refrigerated.

1679
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:41,480
They're refrigerated, you could do tape storage.

1680
01:50:42,260 --> 01:50:43,720
There's other options here.

1681
01:50:43,720 --> 01:50:48,520
So what is sort of our appetite for non-permanent structures,

1682
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,160
hoop houses, things like that.

1683
01:50:51,200 --> 01:50:52,300
I mean, hoop houses are already loud.

1684
01:50:52,480 --> 01:50:57,660
We're talking about something for in the processing phase.

1685
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:02,480
I think that there is room here to find this building size

1686
01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:05,920
that we could use for processing and then

1687
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,440
some other alternatives for farmers to be able to use.

1688
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:10,640
I think this is a great idea.

1689
01:51:10,640 --> 01:51:17,640
And, you know, especially with the point that you raised that no farmer is looking to build a huge structure.

1690
01:51:18,440 --> 01:51:24,460
I think one of, as we look at the fears potentially in different segments of the community,

1691
01:51:25,220 --> 01:51:30,560
it's usually related to unintended consequences of any of these changes that we make.

1692
01:51:31,300 --> 01:51:34,920
And it's usually tied to the bad actors.

1693
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:42,200
you know if we can all agree that let's say a building over 6,000 square feet

1694
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:47,320
with the sort of agricultural we're looking to support right now is not

1695
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:53,120
something that we're looking to promote really anywhere here and that

1696
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:58,320
addresses some of the concerns of the larger community and we don't think it

1697
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:04,340
has a huge impact on farming that's probably worthwhile putting on the

1698
01:52:04,340 --> 01:52:10,820
table. If we can address the concerns, move it forward, get it done. Because I think the

1699
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:14,140
other thing we're doing here is modeling a thought.

1700
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:22,400
I think speaking from my own experience here, too, I started in the position that I was

1701
01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:26,660
going to be a resident of the house, but that wasn't true when people sold their development

1702
01:52:26,660 --> 01:52:27,120
rights.

1703
01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:29,680
It covered a lot of residential housing.

1704
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:34,220
So I think we just have to decide what should be allowed because it's all a great process

1705
01:52:34,220 --> 01:52:35,640
and I think we'll get that.

1706
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:44,120
I think speaking from my own experience here, too, I started in the position that I

1707
01:52:44,120 --> 01:52:46,900
that you did, that we needed to define

1708
01:52:46,900 --> 01:52:50,180
what these kind of guiding principles are.

1709
01:52:50,860 --> 01:52:53,080
But as I started doing the research,

1710
01:52:53,260 --> 01:52:55,240
started looking into the history of it,

1711
01:52:55,920 --> 01:53:00,180
I think it opened up this larger idea.

1712
01:53:01,820 --> 01:53:04,440
It almost becomes an academic exercise

1713
01:53:04,440 --> 01:53:07,260
if we're trying to define what a development right is.

1714
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:10,060
I would much rather have a practical discussion

1715
01:53:10,060 --> 01:53:12,280
on what it is we want to allow,

1716
01:53:12,900 --> 01:53:19,660
where we want to allow it, how we want to allow it, and in doing so shed light on what

1717
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:25,900
our guiding principles are. I think it's a useful discussion for us to have. I understand

1718
01:53:25,900 --> 01:53:31,080
your point of not wanting to have haves and have nots as it relates to development rights,

1719
01:53:31,660 --> 01:53:38,300
and I would agree with you generally that I think we want to allow as many things

1720
01:53:38,300 --> 01:53:45,500
is possible to promote the future of agriculture in South Old Town, but the way

1721
01:53:45,500 --> 01:53:49,520
to get there is not by answering that question. The way to get there is by

1722
01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:53,960
focusing the discussion on these practical elements and saying this is

1723
01:53:53,960 --> 01:53:57,360
what we're going to allow, this is how we're going to allow it, and just move

1724
01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:05,000
on. And I think over time you will see what our larger philosophy is as it

1725
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:11,300
process and as it relates to retail as it relates to farm neighbor housing and by

1726
01:54:11,300 --> 01:54:15,520
answering all these questions we will answer this larger question.

1727
01:54:21,830 --> 01:54:22,210
I would

1728
01:54:22,210 --> 01:54:28,330
just offer that the town board we would the Ag Advisor committee would strongly

1729
01:54:28,330 --> 01:54:37,170
advise you guys to consider the concept that ag production and anything related

1730
01:54:37,170 --> 01:54:44,990
to ad production is not being restricted as you move forward on DRS lands.

1731
01:54:46,370 --> 01:54:54,250
Now, that being a development right does not restrict ad production.

1732
01:54:54,530 --> 01:54:56,790
It's in the current chapter 70 definition.

1733
01:54:57,390 --> 01:55:01,430
Specifically, it says everything but ad production is restricted.

1734
01:55:02,070 --> 01:55:07,190
So I do believe it's important to focus on the definitions

1735
01:55:08,450 --> 01:55:15,090
despite what you just said, Greg, because it is how you move forward.

1736
01:55:15,370 --> 01:55:20,550
Okay, these are the rules and then we're going to abide by those rules moving forward.

1737
01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:28,770
If the definition of the development right and the definition of ag productions are red and interpreted

1738
01:55:28,770 --> 01:55:33,290
and they're not that wishy-washy, they're actually pretty darn clear.

1739
01:55:33,290 --> 01:55:41,970
the definition of a development right is the permanent legal interest or right to prohibit

1740
01:55:41,970 --> 01:55:48,070
or restrict the use of land for any purpose other than ag production.

1741
01:55:49,130 --> 01:55:50,690
But that's over the process.

1742
01:55:51,290 --> 01:55:55,930
So currently, processing is not in the definition of ag production.

1743
01:55:56,270 --> 01:55:56,390
Right.

1744
01:55:56,770 --> 01:55:57,790
So it is.

1745
01:55:57,970 --> 01:56:01,810
So we are still allowing ag production into the development rights.

1746
01:56:01,810 --> 01:56:04,470
That's a separate conversation, separate definition.

1747
01:56:04,930 --> 01:56:07,470
And then, so the definition of ad production,

1748
01:56:07,850 --> 01:56:09,610
we're looking to expand in that sense,

1749
01:56:09,870 --> 01:56:12,710
to include processing and direct farm marketing.

1750
01:56:17,660 --> 01:56:19,960
So, but if you go back to the definition,

1751
01:56:20,600 --> 01:56:22,780
if you're gonna change the definition of ad production,

1752
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,140
this is my point, to include processing

1753
01:56:26,140 --> 01:56:27,280
and direct farm marketing.

1754
01:56:28,140 --> 01:56:30,760
Therefore, we shouldn't be putting further

1755
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:36,340
in conferences on DRS lands when it comes to those ad production rights?

1756
01:56:36,940 --> 01:56:42,940
Well it may not be the will then of us to include processing in the production definition

1757
01:56:43,460 --> 01:56:49,800
because I think that we are not interested in restricting any ad production going on

1758
01:56:49,800 --> 01:56:51,420
on any development rights of land.

1759
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:56,920
But the processing and the retailing does need to have some restriction in my opinion.

1760
01:56:57,600 --> 01:57:13,460
So I think that's important, because it sheds light on these other issues and we're not just kind of, you know, having a salon about the definition of agriculture, you know, there's actually a lot.

1761
01:57:13,900 --> 01:57:19,240
Wait, are you guys implying that there should be restrictions for what reasons?

1762
01:57:19,620 --> 01:57:20,140
For process.

1763
01:57:21,740 --> 01:57:26,460
Because we have big players coming in and I don't want big players coming in and buying

1764
01:57:26,460 --> 01:57:32,540
cheap, I hate using that word, less expensive farmland and putting up, you know, massive

1765
01:57:32,540 --> 01:57:37,200
facilities. I think that is defeating the purpose of the Development Rights Program.

1766
01:57:37,640 --> 01:57:43,180
And also, I also can see this, the Development Rights Program, as a way to keep small farmers

1767
01:57:43,180 --> 01:57:47,360
here. Because if we keep the production small, you know, what's wrong with a bunch

1768
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:49,500
of small farms around.

1769
01:57:49,700 --> 01:57:51,400
We don't need any massive farms,

1770
01:57:51,720 --> 01:57:52,840
and if somebody wants to do that,

1771
01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:54,500
they need to pay full price for the land.

1772
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:56,420
I think that this could be a mechanism

1773
01:57:56,420 --> 01:57:58,100
for keeping small farmers here,

1774
01:57:58,520 --> 01:58:00,000
and in production, and in business,

1775
01:58:00,180 --> 01:58:03,500
making it possible for them to have a living

1776
01:58:03,500 --> 01:58:06,520
for their family, buying less expensive farmland,

1777
01:58:06,660 --> 01:58:08,020
but still being able to stay here.

1778
01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,080
I don't, and that's the reason

1779
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:13,520
for limiting putting restrictions on it,

1780
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,680
because I think that if there are no restrictions,

1781
01:58:16,380 --> 01:58:21,040
We have just, like, completely defeated the purpose of trying to keep small farmers here

1782
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:22,620
and to develop the rights program.

1783
01:58:23,140 --> 01:58:29,360
I do think there's a misconception about what the town is buying as a development right.

1784
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:30,820
I agree with you.

1785
01:58:30,820 --> 01:58:34,620
That misconception is that it's a simple transaction.

1786
01:58:35,100 --> 01:58:40,040
Here's some money, and then what are you getting,

1787
01:58:40,040 --> 01:58:46,640
what is the town and community getting for that money that's spent to restrict

1788
01:58:46,640 --> 01:58:50,120
the development rights? What are the development rights? This is why I was

1789
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:56,400
kind of beating on that definition. One can say different things, one can

1790
01:58:56,400 --> 01:59:05,020
interpret that different ways. If you're simply saying no houses, no

1791
01:59:05,020 --> 01:59:12,780
subdivisions on that farmland in the future that is a huge benefit to the

1792
01:59:12,780 --> 01:59:13,120
town.

1793
01:59:15,980 --> 01:59:24,640
There's tax implications that are best. The property taxes that the

1794
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:31,240
community pays is reduced. The more farms there are the less houses there

1795
01:59:31,240 --> 01:59:36,040
are, the less taxes to support all of those houses,

1796
01:59:36,940 --> 01:59:40,800
education, school taxes, police tax, fire, fire, fire tax.

1797
01:59:41,480 --> 01:59:44,580
All the taxes that go into your property taxes

1798
01:59:45,740 --> 01:59:46,900
are reduced.

1799
01:59:47,940 --> 01:59:51,720
All of us pay less tax because we

1800
01:59:51,720 --> 01:59:54,940
have farms in our community.

1801
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:56,920
And I think there's widespread agreement

1802
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,700
and both within the community on the board.

1803
02:00:00,140 --> 02:00:09,060
In the support of land preservation, in support of agriculture. And I think what we're looking

1804
02:00:09,060 --> 02:00:15,400
to do here, though, is try to figure out how to make the business of agriculture sustainable.

1805
02:00:16,160 --> 02:00:20,320
You know, I don't think what we're looking to do here is continue building support for

1806
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:25,700
land preservation. I think that's already there. You know, the arguments, we don't need

1807
02:00:25,700 --> 02:00:31,620
the arguments anymore. Look around the community, 10,000 acres preserved. The character of the

1808
02:00:31,620 --> 02:00:38,840
community preserved. But the question before us now is how to make small scale, at least

1809
02:00:38,840 --> 02:00:46,220
the way I see it, at the point here, how to make small scale agriculture sustainable

1810
02:00:46,220 --> 02:00:47,800
in the future.

1811
02:00:47,800 --> 02:00:57,640
Right, so we came to you with a proposal to modify Chapter 70, strictly the Ag Lands Preservation Chapter.

1812
02:00:59,860 --> 02:01:06,960
And we as committee have, having batted this around for X number of years,

1813
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:21,540
five have come to the realization that we don't want to see further restrictions on DLS lands

1814
02:01:21,540 --> 02:01:29,240
relating to ag productions than those that have their development rights intact. We are

1815
02:01:29,240 --> 02:01:32,280
advising you to not have a two-tier system.

1816
02:01:33,300 --> 02:01:39,100
And so I think where the misconception has come from

1817
02:01:39,100 --> 02:01:43,340
is that, oh, the farmers are getting a fat paycheck,

1818
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:45,900
therefore they should be restricted for that.

1819
02:01:46,360 --> 02:01:47,900
But it's not a one-way street.

1820
02:01:48,220 --> 02:01:51,200
The town is getting real intangible benefits

1821
02:01:51,200 --> 02:01:54,640
from that farm, not being subdivided

1822
02:01:54,640 --> 02:01:57,020
into a housing tract and looking like Huntington.

1823
02:01:57,020 --> 02:02:11,280
And I totally agree with you, and I think that part of that benefit is that we are, with this program, we are, if we can open up processing, we are working towards keeping small farmers here, and I think that that's a benefit for the community.

1824
02:02:11,580 --> 02:02:17,560
And I know, I see that we fundamentally disagree, but I have to say, like, we need to start talking some of these harnesses.

1825
02:02:20,620 --> 02:02:34,600
I do want to get this done like I don't want this to just keep I know they don't necessarily agree with where we're going but this is I think where we've decided to go so we need to start talking sort of some of the hard details of where we want what we want to see.

1826
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:45,880
If we can go through kind of a list of questions maybe to focus the discussion for the board you know do we support on farm processing on the RSO land I support it.

1827
02:02:47,320 --> 02:02:55,140
So then the next question becomes, do we support limiting its location or determining its location?

1828
02:02:56,560 --> 02:02:57,000
I do.

1829
02:03:02,020 --> 02:03:03,400
Yeah, Scott's already said it.

1830
02:03:03,400 --> 02:03:07,400
Let me just tell you right now, I think we should expand the uses just about everything.

1831
02:03:07,720 --> 02:03:11,360
And then he had something that you currently can preserve for instance.

1832
02:03:12,480 --> 02:03:14,960
What are the renewables we're talking about?

1833
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:16,780
And I agree with you.

1834
02:03:16,780 --> 02:03:18,580
I agree with you 100%.

1835
02:03:18,580 --> 02:03:20,480
I might think we should buy this development rights

1836
02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:22,540
and then let you pursue those uses.

1837
02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:24,240
I do think, as I've told you,

1838
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:26,700
I do think we have to write within a reason

1839
02:03:26,700 --> 02:03:30,380
to say, look, we need to locate this activity

1840
02:03:30,380 --> 02:03:32,060
into this one general region.

1841
02:03:32,680 --> 02:03:34,240
I think we need to be a little bit broader

1842
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:35,680
in how we define that region

1843
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:38,840
and make even, say, the suggestion from Sam

1844
02:03:38,840 --> 02:03:41,840
and allow for a floating credit somewhere in that bar,

1845
02:03:42,180 --> 02:03:43,360
because you need to put the bar,

1846
02:03:43,480 --> 02:03:44,400
you need to put the structure

1847
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:45,700
where it makes the most sense for you.

1848
02:03:45,700 --> 02:03:48,520
We can talk about how that has worked out.

1849
02:03:49,020 --> 02:03:52,260
But in terms of concepts, I think we should allow uses

1850
02:03:52,740 --> 02:03:55,220
all of them, but for farmhouse.

1851
02:03:57,040 --> 02:04:00,520
And again, I think we should have the right

1852
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:02,100
to at least discuss the general region.

1853
02:04:02,620 --> 02:04:04,180
I don't think scenic vista.

1854
02:04:04,340 --> 02:04:06,140
The problem with scenic vista, and I've told you this,

1855
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:08,440
isn't a problem that it's considered.

1856
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:11,120
It's a problem that it's been seemingly the only thing

1857
02:04:11,120 --> 02:04:12,120
that's been considered for years.

1858
02:04:12,360 --> 02:04:14,540
It seemed to have dictated all the decision-making.

1859
02:04:14,540 --> 02:04:20,680
I don't agree with that, but I do agree it should be a factor in the decision making with the cooperation of the act.

1860
02:04:20,980 --> 02:04:24,440
Scott, would the mechanism then go to plan? That's the question.

1861
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:30,760
They can't really, maybe it doesn't get to say yes or no to things. They have to take the application as...

1862
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:34,980
So what would the physical mechanism be to locate on a property?

1863
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:40,440
Well, I think this is what we need to figure out. Is this something the board wants to do?

1864
02:04:40,440 --> 02:04:43,920
you know, we agree that we want to move forward with processing on DRS land.

1865
02:04:44,180 --> 02:04:48,120
Do we want to move forward with limiting or determining where it's going to be located?

1866
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:51,920
It seems like three of us are in agreement that we want to do that.

1867
02:04:52,420 --> 02:04:53,740
Jill, what do you think?

1868
02:04:53,780 --> 02:04:58,800
I'm on board with that because of, I won't repeat what Louisa said, but because of the reasons.

1869
02:04:59,540 --> 02:05:03,900
I have a reason why it was put into factor in the first place a few years ago.

1870
02:05:04,140 --> 02:05:06,180
But I think it's a reasonable location.

1871
02:05:09,540 --> 02:05:15,080
I'm not exactly sure that I would sign off on the terminating other than if there was

1872
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:26,620
a, you know, if there was a way for land preservation and the ad committee to be involved, if that's

1873
02:05:26,620 --> 02:05:28,360
I would support that.

1874
02:05:29,000 --> 02:05:30,900
I think maybe in the farmers in the table.

1875
02:05:31,200 --> 02:05:34,800
You know, to Scott's point, if we're just looking at Viewshed,

1876
02:05:35,460 --> 02:05:38,560
and the Viewshed is on the road and we're going to make a farmer

1877
02:05:38,560 --> 02:05:42,780
put an ag structure in the back of the lot

1878
02:05:42,780 --> 02:05:47,940
and put a driveway down it so it's not farmable anymore

1879
02:05:47,940 --> 02:05:50,040
and have to pay to put utilities down there,

1880
02:05:50,380 --> 02:05:51,660
that's not something we want to do.

1881
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:53,260
There's practical considerations.

1882
02:05:53,260 --> 02:05:58,700
So I think, you know, the mechanism, you know, the devil's in the details here.

1883
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:01,700
You know, is it an advisory?

1884
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:04,040
Is it land preservation?

1885
02:06:04,900 --> 02:06:06,240
Is it them together?

1886
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:07,480
I don't know.

1887
02:06:07,740 --> 02:06:10,520
We just reached no conclusions of any kind, Jim.

1888
02:06:10,700 --> 02:06:12,960
And I think the advisory would have felt that.

1889
02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:14,680
We just reached no conclusions.

1890
02:06:15,040 --> 02:06:16,880
We're right back to what this conversation is.

1891
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:17,820
I don't think we are.

1892
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:20,120
We're in a discussion of what the mechanism is.

1893
02:06:20,380 --> 02:06:22,560
I think we've made forward movement.

1894
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:28,000
It seems like there's consensus to define where the location is.

1895
02:06:28,200 --> 02:06:35,820
Let's figure out what the most streamlined, most beneficial to all the parties involved is here.

1896
02:06:37,140 --> 02:06:40,660
Let's focus the discussion on that. We are not in the same spot.

1897
02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:42,720
How

1898
02:06:44,930 --> 02:06:50,490
would you think would be the best way to have this discussion about location?

1899
02:06:53,770 --> 02:06:58,630
understanding that I know you don't agree with location restrictions at

1900
02:06:58,630 --> 02:07:04,010
minimum advisory has to weigh in on it. Yeah. What's the farmers' issue? Thanks to

1901
02:07:04,010 --> 02:07:08,490
code to allow for that. The following is, you know, coming review is advisory.

1902
02:07:09,070 --> 02:07:16,170
That's it. Right. Maybe it should stay that way. I'm not suggesting that it shouldn't, but the question, the core question is

1903
02:07:16,170 --> 02:07:18,690
going to allow for these uses, yes.

1904
02:07:19,190 --> 02:07:23,810
Also going to require, within reason, reasonable cycle.

1905
02:07:24,410 --> 02:07:24,550
Yes.

1906
02:07:24,930 --> 02:07:25,310
I'll say yes.

1907
02:07:25,310 --> 02:07:27,590
So we have to determine what this reasonable cycle means.

1908
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:29,350
And what that is.

1909
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:30,990
And scope and scale issues.

1910
02:07:31,890 --> 02:07:38,530
I mean, right now, if we were to accept everything that you say should take place, theoretically,

1911
02:07:39,090 --> 02:07:42,330
you can sell 50 acres of development rights and still build pressure out.

1912
02:07:43,410 --> 02:07:46,970
I don't think any of you are going to do that, I don't think the public is going to do that.

1913
02:07:46,970 --> 02:07:50,650
Well, that's a separate discussion though, because that's what we're telling processing.

1914
02:07:51,530 --> 02:07:52,910
Well, that's what they want.

1915
02:07:53,370 --> 02:07:59,330
What they're basically saying is we should have the same rights as any other form, regardless of where we are.

1916
02:07:59,650 --> 02:08:02,490
And believe me, I'm not going to argue about that.

1917
02:08:02,590 --> 02:08:05,690
There's discussion on processing and where we want to locate it.

1918
02:08:05,730 --> 02:08:09,330
If we start talking about retailing again, we're...

1919
02:08:09,330 --> 02:08:14,170
We're talking about processing and I want to stick with that because I think that we are moving forward with that.

1920
02:08:14,170 --> 02:08:18,150
And I think that that's most important in my opinion right now.

1921
02:08:18,650 --> 02:08:24,990
Does it make sense to have a code committee meeting about what this mechanism looks like with planning?

1922
02:08:25,570 --> 02:08:30,630
I think it's something we have to decide. I don't know that, you know, I mean, I think we have all of...

1923
02:08:30,630 --> 02:08:33,970
We just need to make the decision of who's going to be involved.

1924
02:08:33,970 --> 02:08:35,810
I mean, quick question.

1925
02:08:36,130 --> 02:08:38,850
A processing building is an ad structure, right?

1926
02:08:39,130 --> 02:08:40,510
Where is it finding it as an ad structure?

1927
02:08:41,270 --> 02:08:42,850
It's physical appearance.

1928
02:08:43,370 --> 02:08:44,050
It's not.

1929
02:08:44,590 --> 02:08:45,590
It's not currently.

1930
02:08:46,740 --> 02:08:49,110
Define us a different operation with it.

1931
02:08:49,110 --> 02:08:51,370
If you look into 70, it becomes an ad structure.

1932
02:08:51,610 --> 02:08:53,190
Okay, so my question is,

1933
02:08:53,670 --> 02:08:56,130
when we visually look at a structure,

1934
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:58,930
it's a barn.

1935
02:08:59,210 --> 02:08:59,710
It's a structure.

1936
02:08:59,710 --> 02:09:06,410
So I'm not sure why there's a difference where the egg structure goes whether it's a processing structure or the typical

1937
02:09:06,950 --> 02:09:07,330
permissible

1938
02:09:08,990 --> 02:09:13,370
It's just kind of confusing that we're so concerned about it. It's not the retail component

1939
02:09:13,370 --> 02:09:17,190
We're talking about we're talking about a physical farm building placed on a building

1940
02:09:17,190 --> 02:09:19,650
because a barn which is a storage and not processing

1941
02:09:20,210 --> 02:09:25,850
Could be equally large, you know, I said you're right, but let's get back to one thing

1942
02:09:25,850 --> 02:09:27,510
and it also gets back to lock coverage.

1943
02:09:27,950 --> 02:09:29,770
Because once you declare an egg structure,

1944
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:31,930
it is now allowed to be the lock coverage,

1945
02:09:32,050 --> 02:09:35,250
gets down to it based on the entirety of the farm.

1946
02:09:35,250 --> 02:09:36,890
So that brings back to my point of,

1947
02:09:37,310 --> 02:09:39,710
I think that for development rights on land,

1948
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:40,930
that we should have a restriction

1949
02:09:40,930 --> 02:09:42,070
on the processing facility,

1950
02:09:42,170 --> 02:09:43,530
but you're still allowed lock coverage.

1951
02:09:43,630 --> 02:09:45,970
You're still allowed other farm buildings

1952
02:09:46,490 --> 02:09:47,790
that you can use for storage,

1953
02:09:48,050 --> 02:09:48,810
you can use for equipment,

1954
02:09:49,090 --> 02:09:50,230
you can use for different things.

1955
02:09:50,550 --> 02:09:53,310
But I think that that could be a happy medium

1956
02:09:53,310 --> 02:09:53,930
for everybody,

1957
02:09:53,930 --> 02:09:59,830
because we're getting the processing facility but then you know there's it's not just gonna be one

1958
02:09:59,830 --> 02:10:05,650
humongous building it's it's gonna have to be parceled up on the building right so you might have

1959
02:10:05,650 --> 02:10:09,890
a negative view to that as well now we have multiple structures on a on a site but that's

1960
02:10:09,890 --> 02:10:16,410
a lot already right let's not forget there's nothing that prevents anyone from putting up

1961
02:10:16,410 --> 02:10:20,970
a very big hedge, and there goes your view.

1962
02:10:21,570 --> 02:10:24,570
So there's nothing preventing anyone from doing that.

1963
02:10:25,330 --> 02:10:29,190
So the view shed, frankly, is not,

1964
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:34,600
can the view

1965
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:38,520
can be minimized through screening?

1966
02:10:39,380 --> 02:10:42,740
And that is a right of farmers to put up.

1967
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:45,480
It's a right of everybody to put up.

1968
02:10:45,480 --> 02:10:52,040
And I would agree, but ultimately, it's much more tenable

1969
02:10:52,040 --> 02:10:55,420
to say, look, we're going to protect the future here, even

1970
02:10:55,420 --> 02:10:58,600
though someone can come along and lay an edge, rather than say,

1971
02:10:58,700 --> 02:11:00,360
you know, someone's going to build a huge structure.

1972
02:11:00,580 --> 02:11:02,180
There's much more permanence to that.

1973
02:11:02,580 --> 02:11:05,380
And again, I'm not suggesting you can't do it.

1974
02:11:05,460 --> 02:11:08,960
I'm just suggesting that we have the right to relocate it.

1975
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:10,400
I'm not even trying to, well,

1976
02:11:10,460 --> 02:11:12,340
that interest in restricting the size.

1977
02:11:12,340 --> 02:11:15,480
to destroy some of this size of the court area.

1978
02:11:15,800 --> 02:11:16,960
So you should accomplish that.

1979
02:11:17,840 --> 02:11:19,860
And you take a lot of coverage based on the court area.

1980
02:11:20,060 --> 02:11:20,500
Yes, Melissa?

1981
02:11:21,180 --> 02:11:25,400
I'd like to say that this discussion kind of points out

1982
02:11:25,400 --> 02:11:27,560
why this is a very complicated issue.

1983
02:11:27,980 --> 02:11:28,900
There's a lot of facts.

1984
02:11:29,200 --> 02:11:31,680
There's actually some misinformation that's been said.

1985
02:11:32,100 --> 02:11:34,260
And there was a suggestion to have a task force.

1986
02:11:34,720 --> 02:11:37,920
Maybe we can do a small task force that is,

1987
02:11:38,440 --> 02:11:40,660
you know, given a short time frame

1988
02:11:40,660 --> 02:11:47,140
to make sure that the proper people are in the room and are part of the discussion and to try to solve some of this.

1989
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:52,400
Because it's here we've spent an hour talking and there are so many issues.

1990
02:11:52,680 --> 02:11:56,600
And we've got nowhere, but I'm going to show you one thing. The proper people are in the room.

1991
02:11:56,820 --> 02:12:00,800
They hold the town board and the ultimate decision has to be made.

1992
02:12:01,020 --> 02:12:08,760
Of course the decision needs to be made by the town board, but there's information about setbacks, easements, what's allowed, what's not allowed,

1993
02:12:08,760 --> 02:12:18,280
about what ones were, which are sitting constructively at the table, maybe, or three weeks, while a

1994
02:12:18,280 --> 02:12:25,560
code committee with the proper people invited to it to be part of the discussion. You guys

1995
02:12:25,560 --> 02:12:32,780
have a lot to do today. There was a large agenda. There is no, there's a lot of good ideas

1996
02:12:32,780 --> 02:12:39,860
out there and I wonder though if we have a code committee or you know task force or

1997
02:12:39,860 --> 02:12:47,120
whatever discuss this issue of sighting it may be by focus and I think one of the

1998
02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:51,220
concerns that you know I don't want to speak for Scott here but that we're

1999
02:12:51,220 --> 02:12:56,020
going to continue just to have this larger general discussion without getting

2000
02:12:56,020 --> 02:13:02,180
down to creating and ultimately it falls on the board to decide what it is

2001
02:13:02,180 --> 02:13:04,660
is that we have the will to do.

2002
02:13:05,700 --> 02:13:08,960
And it seems like there's a will to do processing right now.

2003
02:13:09,340 --> 02:13:11,740
There's a question on how we limit citing

2004
02:13:11,740 --> 02:13:13,100
or determine citing.

2005
02:13:14,140 --> 02:13:16,560
I would like to figure out how to get

2006
02:13:16,560 --> 02:13:17,940
the right people at the table

2007
02:13:18,300 --> 02:13:20,980
so we can discuss these issues that you break.

2008
02:13:21,240 --> 02:13:24,340
It's the issues of setbacks and view of all of this stuff

2009
02:13:24,340 --> 02:13:26,380
that I think we need to consider

2010
02:13:26,820 --> 02:13:28,720
at least so we're addressing

2011
02:13:28,720 --> 02:13:30,800
any potential unintended consequences.

2012
02:13:32,180 --> 02:13:41,060
So I want to support a code committee to discuss the mechanics of what siting looks like.

2013
02:13:45,050 --> 02:13:46,430
What do we think about that?

2014
02:13:54,030 --> 02:13:55,210
I have a 7 on the agenda.

2015
02:13:55,510 --> 02:13:56,190
Exploit it.

2016
02:13:57,410 --> 02:13:57,830
No.

2017
02:13:58,250 --> 02:13:59,050
Well, we will do it.

2018
02:14:00,030 --> 02:14:01,910
Did you look at it with any clarity?

2019
02:14:03,610 --> 02:14:04,150
Yeah.

2020
02:14:04,150 --> 02:14:04,190
I

2021
02:14:06,530 --> 02:14:15,350
hear there's consensus about moving forward with the processing as a use on DRS limits.

2022
02:14:15,810 --> 02:14:18,550
Which is what we have already talked about two weeks ago.

2023
02:14:21,520 --> 02:14:28,080
Well, one other issue is besides that, I mean are we going to discuss other things at this code committee?

2024
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:31,100
I think we should discuss the other sides a little bit.

2025
02:14:37,180 --> 02:14:40,900
Is there anything you would like Ag advisory to prepare for the meeting?

2026
02:14:46,060 --> 02:14:48,280
Now, ladies and gentlemen, I have to leave on first.

2027
02:14:50,260 --> 02:14:52,160
A lot of this could be simplified.

2028
02:14:52,820 --> 02:14:54,920
A lot of this could be simplified by, yes,

2029
02:14:55,660 --> 02:14:57,120
starting with the size limit.

2030
02:14:58,560 --> 02:14:59,980
And Greg, I think you mentioned...

2031
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,980
6,000, I would say 10,000 square feet maximum for processing and building. Over that he built his

2032
02:15:06,980 --> 02:15:13,600
EBA. Sarah, you're fear-mongering about 60,000 square foot buildings. It's fear-mongering.

2033
02:15:14,080 --> 02:15:18,040
It's not going to happen because of the cost of the building to be able to donate anything

2034
02:15:18,040 --> 02:15:21,400
like that. And it's not going to be that kind of processing. And they're not going to be

2035
02:15:21,400 --> 02:15:27,460
scattered all over the town. This is crazy stuff. But I totally agree with everything

2036
02:15:27,460 --> 02:15:30,780
I mean, Jim is saying, but I got to run, guys, thank you.

2037
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:31,380
Thanks, Doctor.

2038
02:15:42,250 --> 02:15:45,370
These are things like that that neighbors might as well share.

2039
02:15:47,120 --> 02:15:48,280
I mean, there's going to be some,

2040
02:15:48,720 --> 02:15:50,560
but I don't think it's any more than just

2041
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:52,040
the farming operation itself.

2042
02:15:52,560 --> 02:15:53,920
I don't know if they're canning tomatoes

2043
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:56,900
and they have something boiling in there.

2044
02:15:57,560 --> 02:16:00,200
I mean, even the last bottle of that

2045
02:16:00,200 --> 02:16:02,800
or canning plant, it's like it was processing.

2046
02:16:03,020 --> 02:16:04,720
It's within a facility as well.

2047
02:16:05,300 --> 02:16:08,460
Yeah, it's within a facility, yeah.

2048
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:10,860
tractors and whatever.

2049
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:22,220
I mean let's not forget too that diesel pumps, diesel powered well pumps are probably the most noisy thing you'll ever hear on a car.

2050
02:16:22,540 --> 02:16:26,180
And we all know that they're out there and maybe someone has it.

2051
02:16:26,520 --> 02:16:35,840
I'm sorry that I got delayed because I wanted to raise an issue that he said he's not here.

2052
02:16:35,840 --> 02:16:42,100
it is never right to defend itself, but I do want to defend Sarah to some extent in terms of it may be

2053
02:16:42,100 --> 02:16:47,740
fear-mongering to an extent, but we also, let's remember, people already have a large processing

2054
02:16:47,740 --> 02:16:55,740
building itself covering several acres. There's one already there. That's far exceed 10,000 feet,

2055
02:16:56,040 --> 02:17:03,400
so I don't think it's really fear-mongering. There's one in Bacca. I'm not considering all that.

2056
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:04,940
There's several.

2057
02:17:05,540 --> 02:17:07,680
Well, one on Ag-Lanah-Cuttle.

2058
02:17:07,940 --> 02:17:09,780
That's probably close to five acres.

2059
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:13,400
Again, I'm not going to call that Ag-Operations there

2060
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:14,560
and talk about that structure.

2061
02:17:14,900 --> 02:17:18,960
But it's not like it's not possible for big money

2062
02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:21,640
to come along and build out that 50 is 60.

2063
02:17:21,900 --> 02:17:25,260
Well, I just think I understand what

2064
02:17:25,260 --> 02:17:26,500
where Doug is coming from.

2065
02:17:26,840 --> 02:17:29,520
But it's our job to be looking forward.

2066
02:17:29,780 --> 02:17:31,980
It's our job to be anticipating anything.

2067
02:17:31,980 --> 02:17:35,800
because 20, 30 years ago, there's a lot of things

2068
02:17:35,800 --> 02:17:37,980
that are here now that people would never happen.

2069
02:17:38,440 --> 02:17:38,720
And they're here.

2070
02:17:38,980 --> 02:17:41,800
So I understand what he's saying, and I know his perspective,

2071
02:17:42,300 --> 02:17:44,520
but it's my job staying in the seat

2072
02:17:44,520 --> 02:17:46,160
to anticipate those things as well.

2073
02:17:46,340 --> 02:17:47,220
And as you should,

2074
02:17:50,220 --> 02:17:51,420
I believe that's true.

2075
02:17:52,260 --> 02:17:55,060
And let's please just remember,

2076
02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:57,940
we don't want to shoot the little guys in the foot.

2077
02:17:57,960 --> 02:18:00,140
But that's my purpose of doing it.

2078
02:18:00,140 --> 02:18:01,560
I want to keep a little bit more restricted.

2079
02:18:01,960 --> 02:18:03,580
And the more that I did my modeling

2080
02:18:03,580 --> 02:18:05,880
and going through it and looking at my experience here,

2081
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:10,540
this to me is the only way to keep the little guy here.

2082
02:18:10,760 --> 02:18:12,620
It's to make something possible,

2083
02:18:12,940 --> 02:18:14,540
even if it's restricted in size.

2084
02:18:15,360 --> 02:18:18,980
I mean, to me it's the only way to keep anything

2085
02:18:18,980 --> 02:18:20,620
slightly affordable for a certain amount.

2086
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:26,880
To answer Anthony's question of what you guys should

2087
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,020
to prepare for this COVID-19.

2088
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:36,140
I think we need to understand Ag Advisory's position

2089
02:18:36,820 --> 02:18:40,260
on what role they're going to play here.

2090
02:18:41,420 --> 02:18:42,260
Is there a delay?

2091
02:18:42,720 --> 02:18:44,440
But we can ask them to, and they can play their role.

2092
02:18:44,440 --> 02:18:45,540
But it's just advisory.

2093
02:18:46,140 --> 02:18:50,060
I think we are looking to have them play a more

2094
02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,140
materially significant role here,

2095
02:18:53,320 --> 02:18:54,840
where it's not just advisory.

2096
02:18:54,840 --> 02:19:05,650
You know, they need to have a significant amount of input here to determine if we're going to restrict these locations.

2097
02:19:06,770 --> 02:19:09,090
Should the farmers tell us where it needs to be?

2098
02:19:09,630 --> 02:19:11,890
They're telling us they don't think we should restrict, you know.

2099
02:19:12,130 --> 02:19:18,570
But we don't say to them, we want to restrict it.

2100
02:19:20,030 --> 02:19:22,050
So they can add the purpose of COVID-19?

2101
02:19:22,370 --> 02:19:22,670
Yes.

2102
02:19:24,130 --> 02:19:28,790
What I am saying is, all right, the board is saying yes, we want restrictions.

2103
02:19:29,210 --> 02:19:32,850
Yes, the farmers may disagree with the restrictions, but

2104
02:19:32,850 --> 02:19:36,750
now I want the farmers to tell us, assuming that we're the deciders here,

2105
02:19:37,210 --> 02:19:39,330
we are deciding that we want restrictions.

2106
02:19:39,730 --> 02:19:44,370
Tell us how you can play a role that addresses your concerns.

2107
02:19:44,590 --> 02:19:46,490
We'll give us a, give us a input.

2108
02:19:46,810 --> 02:19:47,090
Absolutely.

2109
02:19:47,370 --> 02:19:50,070
So we haven't determined what the restrictions are yet.

2110
02:19:50,150 --> 02:19:51,470
We just know that it's going to.

2111
02:19:51,470 --> 02:19:53,010
That's what I was asking for.

2112
02:19:53,410 --> 02:19:54,970
Anthony asked for what to prepare.

2113
02:19:55,330 --> 02:19:57,330
I do just want to say to the board,

2114
02:19:58,150 --> 02:20:00,250
the reason that we're sitting here with this discussion

2115
02:20:00,250 --> 02:20:02,670
on the agenda is because we decided not to do

2116
02:20:02,670 --> 02:20:03,530
co-committing, okay?

2117
02:20:04,490 --> 02:20:05,950
We decided to not do co-committing,

2118
02:20:06,070 --> 02:20:10,490
and that the six of us, right, make these decisions.

2119
02:20:10,750 --> 02:20:11,730
And now we're here on a meeting

2120
02:20:11,730 --> 02:20:13,110
where we're supposed to make these decisions,

2121
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:14,830
and now we're going to get to co-committing.

2122
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:17,750
No, we never said that we're only going to have

2123
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:19,950
co-committing. We had Chapter 70.

2124
02:20:19,950 --> 02:20:25,630
I suggest the code committee and it was we didn't want to do code committee because we were just

2125
02:20:25,630 --> 02:20:30,990
going to get back these were decisions that the board needed to make. I'm sorry but we I disagree I

2126
02:20:30,990 --> 02:20:36,350
think we did decide on code committee what we didn't agree to was to kick it to get another small

2127
02:20:36,350 --> 02:20:43,770
worker that was our decision which is why code committee is on the agenda because we agreed to

2128
02:20:43,770 --> 02:20:46,570
go and say, OK, we're going to keep moving on this.

2129
02:20:46,830 --> 02:20:48,130
But that was for Chapter 70.

2130
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:50,870
This is for the ag uses.

2131
02:20:51,530 --> 02:20:54,290
I mean, they're weak, but they're not exactly the same.

2132
02:20:54,530 --> 02:20:55,150
Yeah, they are.

2133
02:20:55,670 --> 02:20:56,070
They are.

2134
02:20:56,670 --> 02:20:58,270
There's no undoing that.

2135
02:20:58,590 --> 02:20:59,090
They are.

2136
02:20:59,470 --> 02:21:02,190
Chapter 70 is the essence of what you're talking about.

2137
02:21:02,470 --> 02:21:02,810
To this.

2138
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:05,730
That's what the Code of Unity meaning is.

2139
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:10,330
Does the Ag 70, Chapter 70, determines those ag uses?

2140
02:21:11,070 --> 02:21:12,370
They're getting in on it.

2141
02:21:12,370 --> 02:21:14,390
But we have to determine what we're

2142
02:21:14,390 --> 02:21:16,850
going to allow before we amend the actual writing

2143
02:21:16,850 --> 02:21:17,650
of the Code Committee.

2144
02:21:17,790 --> 02:21:19,410
And that's what we're supposed to be doing now.

2145
02:21:20,690 --> 02:21:22,650
But we're still going to do it at Code Committee.

2146
02:21:22,870 --> 02:21:24,530
We're not going to let it do its time divine.

2147
02:21:24,790 --> 02:21:26,390
We're not going to bury it in another committee.

2148
02:21:27,650 --> 02:21:28,990
So it's going to do it here.

2149
02:21:29,150 --> 02:21:31,470
When the Code Committee, we're going to go on and on and on.

2150
02:21:31,950 --> 02:21:34,670
We're going to keep chipping away,

2151
02:21:35,050 --> 02:21:37,170
although I'm not sure exactly what we've got going today.

2152
02:21:37,430 --> 02:21:39,250
But I do think we at least reach consensus

2153
02:21:39,250 --> 02:21:41,370
that we want to broaden and allow

2154
02:21:48,570 --> 02:21:51,590
I think that's a step greater than our last co-committee.

2155
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:53,170
I would agree with you.

2156
02:21:53,930 --> 02:21:55,410
Any step is great right now.

2157
02:21:55,530 --> 02:21:55,970
It's beyond yours.

2158
02:21:56,670 --> 02:21:56,950
Yeah.

2159
02:21:57,450 --> 02:21:57,870
Thanks, Betsy.

2160
02:21:57,870 --> 02:22:07,590
It's just so many students get close to me that the town board, the ag committee, the

2161
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:11,510
fan club basically comes with their ideas of what they like to see.

2162
02:22:11,890 --> 02:22:12,950
So you don't want restrictions.

2163
02:22:13,450 --> 02:22:18,730
The town board has voice restrictions but not specific to this part of size and layout

2164
02:22:18,730 --> 02:22:25,190
and maybe the fan club makes a difference and then we can discuss it on the different ones

2165
02:22:25,610 --> 02:22:26,910
and find out where we end up.

2166
02:22:29,930 --> 02:22:36,350
Yeah, I mean they need to let us know what restrictions that they feel they can live with and we can go from there.

2167
02:22:38,710 --> 02:22:42,510
I think they have to report what we think restrictions are, but I don't think the other way around.

2168
02:22:43,450 --> 02:22:47,550
Yes, that's why. As well as having reservations about why they can't.

2169
02:22:47,710 --> 02:22:47,950
Right.

2170
02:22:48,310 --> 02:22:49,730
I mean we have to make a decision on that.

2171
02:22:49,910 --> 02:22:49,990
Absolutely.

2172
02:22:50,730 --> 02:22:50,950
Is

2173
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:57,120
that appropriate?

2174
02:22:57,920 --> 02:22:59,040
We'll thank you.

2175
02:23:03,410 --> 02:23:05,570
Is that, is that, and I'll notice when we do that.

2176
02:23:05,570 --> 02:23:09,210
I think this is that we thought everybody could fit together.

2177
02:23:09,330 --> 02:23:12,290
We've December 29th with the arts.

2178
02:23:13,550 --> 02:23:16,070
Yeah, nothing going on 31st.

2179
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:18,290
Yes, that's fine.

2180
02:23:18,470 --> 02:23:19,730
The 29th good for everybody.

2181
02:23:21,150 --> 02:23:22,090
That's a 10 board.

2182
02:23:22,190 --> 02:23:23,590
That's a 10 board, there's 29.

2183
02:23:24,090 --> 02:23:24,290
No.

2184
02:23:25,730 --> 02:23:26,170
So it's not.

2185
02:23:26,170 --> 02:23:26,690
Oh, stand up.

2186
02:23:26,910 --> 02:23:27,370
Stand up.

2187
02:23:27,370 --> 02:23:27,710
Stand up.

2188
02:23:27,890 --> 02:23:28,110
No.

2189
02:23:28,110 --> 02:23:28,250
No.

2190
02:23:28,470 --> 02:23:28,910
No.

2191
02:23:29,210 --> 02:23:29,430
No.

2192
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:29,970
No.

2193
02:23:30,410 --> 02:23:30,670
No.

2194
02:23:30,950 --> 02:23:31,050
No.

2195
02:23:31,230 --> 02:23:31,470
No.

2196
02:23:31,470 --> 02:23:33,330
That's not feasible.

2197
02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:40,470
No, I think it's hard to say that you can't do it, most of us in the Zoom option is feasible enough.

2198
02:23:41,410 --> 02:23:43,170
I mean, I think that it...

2199
02:23:43,170 --> 02:23:46,190
I don't want schedule put-outs as long as I...

2200
02:23:46,190 --> 02:23:48,330
Should we put out a few dates and see?

2201
02:23:48,470 --> 02:23:49,650
Yeah, we can look at that later.

2202
02:23:53,250 --> 02:23:57,730
We'll put out a couple of dates, but we're probably looking at the beginning of January at this point.

2203
02:23:58,710 --> 02:23:59,970
Yeah, what about the week?

2204
02:23:59,970 --> 02:24:02,530
but I think we have to have our own organizational line now.

2205
02:24:02,730 --> 02:24:03,350
I think that's right.

2206
02:24:03,390 --> 02:24:05,170
The first week of January is probably better.

2207
02:24:05,390 --> 02:24:07,150
Well, maybe it's a job with the Zoom.

2208
02:24:07,850 --> 02:24:08,830
The first week of January?

2209
02:24:09,970 --> 02:24:10,330
Yeah.

2210
02:24:11,270 --> 02:24:12,050
The first week of January?

2211
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:12,450
I don't know.

2212
02:24:12,510 --> 02:24:13,250
We wouldn't have that.

2213
02:24:14,250 --> 02:24:16,010
Do you want to look at the first week of January

2214
02:24:16,010 --> 02:24:19,140
instead of the first week of January?

2215
02:24:19,160 --> 02:24:19,560
Thank you.

2216
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:20,500
Thank you.

2217
02:24:20,500 --> 02:24:20,680
Thank you.

2218
02:24:21,220 --> 02:24:21,320
Thank

2219
02:24:26,800 --> 02:24:26,840
you.

2220
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:26,980
Thank you.

2221
02:24:27,000 --> 02:24:27,240
Oh.

2222
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:29,340
I don't think we're going to have time to see them.

2223
02:24:33,160 --> 02:24:34,960
I don't think we're going to have anyone to see them.

2224
02:24:43,090 --> 02:24:43,370
All right.

2225
02:24:43,370 --> 02:24:44,930
We decided

2226
02:24:47,680 --> 02:25:01,820
to look into the process of the TAM and if they wanted to give a one-time reimbursement

2227
02:25:01,820 --> 02:25:03,880
to none of the process in the TAM.

2228
02:25:04,420 --> 02:25:11,220
So we already set up a meeting, but in light of that, I asked Christie and John to look

2229
02:25:11,220 --> 02:25:14,620
into the regular federal regulations and how to do that.

2230
02:25:14,620 --> 02:25:20,740
So they did have some, some answers, but not all of them, John.

2231
02:25:22,280 --> 02:25:23,000
Well said.

2232
02:25:24,380 --> 02:25:29,320
Yes, so Kristi and I have interesting questions that are on this issue,

2233
02:25:29,440 --> 02:25:30,980
and the short answer is yes, we can do it.

2234
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:35,700
In order to clog the federal ballot program, there's,

2235
02:25:36,340 --> 02:25:40,060
we have the self-sumptempo program today, the applicants,

2236
02:25:40,920 --> 02:25:46,600
and then assure that we are complying with the federal guidelines before we disperse the money.

2237
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:52,180
So it can be done, which is going to take a little bit of time to figure out how we're going to do it mechanically.

2238
02:25:53,400 --> 02:25:59,190
We can do it, and the accounting is going to be able to keep on that,

2239
02:25:59,700 --> 02:26:01,120
as there are a lot

2240
02:26:03,330 --> 02:26:06,610
of laws to the distribution of these funds and the ending compliance.

2241
02:26:06,610 --> 02:26:17,820
And there's a separate, there's a separate level of analysis that's done when the money goes to one entity and then it transfers out to another entity.

2242
02:26:20,600 --> 02:26:22,400
And that's where we are at.

2243
02:26:26,010 --> 02:26:28,690
This first one is the sum of the third parties.

2244
02:26:31,380 --> 02:26:33,300
We'd have to set up a program for that.

2245
02:26:33,840 --> 02:26:35,500
That certainly can be done.

2246
02:26:36,320 --> 02:26:39,740
It will take a little bit of time, but I don't think enough time.

2247
02:26:45,860 --> 02:26:50,500
the conversation with Christine and how they had some concerns that they were able to be here.

2248
02:26:51,320 --> 02:26:54,780
And this would be a fairly significant project to undertake.

2249
02:27:01,590 --> 02:27:10,170
She did have to, she wants to meet up with the auditors, which also in December is very hard to get them to sit down with a meeting.

2250
02:27:10,710 --> 02:27:18,570
And go over what other towns might have done in this situation that don't have a process that they even money out.

2251
02:27:18,830 --> 02:27:20,390
So she was checking on all that and goes.

2252
02:27:20,390 --> 02:27:22,990
But how have we given our funds out before?

2253
02:27:23,370 --> 02:27:27,030
So under the community block grant, we have,

2254
02:27:27,210 --> 02:27:28,550
but we have a process for that.

2255
02:27:29,130 --> 02:27:33,690
So, well, it was different than community block grant.

2256
02:27:33,690 --> 02:27:36,570
Yeah, so I guess just to get back to this discussion,

2257
02:27:36,750 --> 02:27:38,530
you know, as John is just pointing out,

2258
02:27:39,490 --> 02:27:43,370
when a municipality gives funds to another organization,

2259
02:27:44,570 --> 02:27:48,410
that organization becomes a sub-recipient of these funds.

2260
02:27:48,610 --> 02:27:48,750
Right?

2261
02:27:48,750 --> 02:27:58,210
right? And I think as we look at an organization like CASP, they are already a sub recipient of these funds.

2262
02:27:59,010 --> 02:28:04,510
And as a sub recipient of these funds, they actually already have a process of reporting.

2263
02:28:05,850 --> 02:28:16,230
And the reporting process for these ARPA funds, these federal funds, is much simpler than the general process.

2264
02:28:16,230 --> 02:28:21,810
It is primarily focused on risk assessment of the organization and what they're doing.

2265
02:28:22,630 --> 02:28:32,910
And I think one of the really great, almost genius points of Jill's proposal to look at retroactive reimbursement,

2266
02:28:33,590 --> 02:28:38,950
we are completely mitigating the risk here because the funds have already been spent.

2267
02:28:38,950 --> 02:28:47,270
And as we look at the money that an organization like CAST has spent, the existing reporting

2268
02:28:47,270 --> 02:28:52,150
that they already do, it allows us to do this risk assessment.

2269
02:28:52,690 --> 02:28:55,270
It allows us to do what we need to do.

2270
02:28:56,090 --> 02:29:04,470
And I have spreadsheets from them that are the reporting that they already do.

2271
02:29:05,590 --> 02:29:12,930
we just need to put this program together in place here and I don't I think one of

2272
02:29:13,590 --> 02:29:18,110
one of the points that Scott raised which is very good here is we don't want to

2273
02:29:18,110 --> 02:29:22,050
limit it to one organization because there are many good

2274
02:29:22,050 --> 02:29:24,190
And that's what I agreed to last week,

2275
02:29:24,330 --> 02:29:27,310
only that we do follow-ups and we have to be content.

2276
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:28,110
Absolutely.

2277
02:29:28,210 --> 02:29:30,830
So you agree that they don't have to base in Southall?

2278
02:29:31,490 --> 02:29:32,250
I think they should.

2279
02:29:32,450 --> 02:29:35,570
I think what they should, it should be,

2280
02:29:37,310 --> 02:29:40,610
they have to prove to us that the service

2281
02:29:40,610 --> 02:29:42,950
was done in Southall, that's what I didn't want to say.

2282
02:29:43,190 --> 02:29:45,630
The most place we agreed to were

2283
02:29:45,630 --> 02:29:47,970
serve the people in Southall Town,

2284
02:29:48,430 --> 02:29:50,130
be headquartered in Southall Town,

2285
02:29:50,130 --> 02:29:54,690
And as a point of clarification, just based on one of the letters we got from an organization,

2286
02:29:55,170 --> 02:29:59,330
it's not within the hamlet of South Pole, it is within the town of South Pole.

2287
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:01,780
So it's anywhere within south old town.

2288
02:30:02,220 --> 02:30:03,220
Fisher's Island is green.

2289
02:30:03,220 --> 02:30:04,960
Excuse me, I just want to add a headquarter.

2290
02:30:05,120 --> 02:30:07,480
Let's clarify that because headquarter means

2291
02:30:07,900 --> 02:30:10,480
their main agency is headquartered in the town of south old.

2292
02:30:10,860 --> 02:30:11,760
Yeah, that's very interesting.

2293
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:15,920
Every single agency, but for one, is now not qualified

2294
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:16,940
to be sent to the city.

2295
02:30:16,980 --> 02:30:19,360
Right, so I would say they serve the town.

2296
02:30:20,180 --> 02:30:22,260
I personally, I've been in the jargon.

2297
02:30:22,280 --> 02:30:23,120
You took it safely.

2298
02:30:23,600 --> 02:30:25,280
Well no, I've been in the jargon in services

2299
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:26,320
for 33 years.

2300
02:30:26,460 --> 02:30:28,200
We have had a long-standing relationship

2301
02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:30,660
with cast, many other agencies as well.

2302
02:30:31,260 --> 02:30:33,640
Using the term headquarter, I got a lot of phone calls.

2303
02:30:34,100 --> 02:30:35,500
Headquarter means family service,

2304
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:36,980
like they're not headquartered in the town.

2305
02:30:37,080 --> 02:30:38,660
They have two offices in the town.

2306
02:30:39,340 --> 02:30:40,920
There's also a parish outreach.

2307
02:30:41,320 --> 02:30:43,440
They're headquartered in the diocese of Rockville Center.

2308
02:30:43,820 --> 02:30:46,580
So I just want to clarify that that word, I think,

2309
02:30:47,420 --> 02:30:49,480
has more power than I think you realize.

2310
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:51,320
And I'm going to put that down.

2311
02:30:51,320 --> 02:30:53,960
And that's what I said last time that, you know,

2312
02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:56,840
you said the word headquartered and I said,

2313
02:30:56,840 --> 02:31:02,920
what we have to have John look at all that and and ask I want to make sure that we

2314
02:31:02,920 --> 02:31:07,280
get all all the people that are serviced in this town from all bona fide

2315
02:31:07,280 --> 02:31:12,180
nonprofits and it's it's not that they all need it we all know they all need it

2316
02:31:12,180 --> 02:31:20,920
and this is a one-time COVID happened and it hit us all hard and we are

2317
02:31:20,920 --> 02:31:28,280
fortunate to get this American recovery plan act and it's not taxpayers, several

2318
02:31:28,280 --> 02:31:33,380
taxpayers money directly so I think it's an opportunity to help all the

2319
02:31:33,380 --> 02:31:37,120
nonprofits that service the underprivileged in this town and that's

2320
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:44,120
what I'm looking to do and we have the obligation to make sure that we do this

2321
02:31:44,120 --> 02:31:47,900
properly. Any funds that are given to the town are audited.

2322
02:31:48,820 --> 02:31:59,000
Kristi has, you know, she has the right to say, for the whole line, to say I need to talk to the auditors to see how this process is going to lay out.

2323
02:31:59,580 --> 02:32:04,580
If we don't spend it, you know, we need to be transparent with exactly where every penny of this goes.

2324
02:32:04,580 --> 02:32:07,960
So there's a difference, and you said that tasks.

2325
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,000
An example already has to pay for this,

2326
02:32:10,100 --> 02:32:11,660
but the task may be something different,

2327
02:32:11,980 --> 02:32:14,400
because the town giving money to a non-profit

2328
02:32:14,400 --> 02:32:16,400
is different than it coming to the rest of the world.

2329
02:32:16,400 --> 02:32:20,260
Right, and I've said it many times,

2330
02:32:20,500 --> 02:32:22,820
it's that I'm not worried about the paperwork

2331
02:32:22,820 --> 02:32:23,960
from the non-profits.

2332
02:32:24,700 --> 02:32:27,480
It's we have to set it up with the town first.

2333
02:32:28,140 --> 02:32:29,940
And we all know what can be done.

2334
02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:33,240
It's just a matter of let's work towards getting it done.

2335
02:32:33,240 --> 02:32:36,880
But where CAS provides us a great model to follow,

2336
02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:40,160
they've received these funds already.

2337
02:32:40,260 --> 02:32:40,700
I understand.

2338
02:32:40,960 --> 02:32:41,340
They have.

2339
02:32:41,540 --> 02:32:41,600
They have.

2340
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:42,020
They were not.

2341
02:32:42,080 --> 02:32:43,020
But not from the town.

2342
02:32:43,220 --> 02:32:43,680
How many people?

2343
02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:45,180
They said, they didn't fund it.

2344
02:32:45,180 --> 02:32:46,400
No, it's not being eligible.

2345
02:32:46,620 --> 02:32:47,800
It's not supporting the contract.

2346
02:32:48,580 --> 02:32:50,080
They've already done it for the town.

2347
02:32:50,460 --> 02:32:51,820
But no, not from our town.

2348
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:54,040
They have received that from the town.

2349
02:32:54,260 --> 02:32:55,660
I don't know if I also want to.

2350
02:32:55,820 --> 02:32:57,320
I've been saying it over and over again.

2351
02:32:57,900 --> 02:32:59,480
It's not from the town.

2352
02:32:59,640 --> 02:33:00,780
Not from the town.

2353
02:33:00,900 --> 02:33:01,080
Not from the town.

2354
02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:01,920
No.

2355
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:06,100
No, it's community block grant funds, it's community block grant funds, it's not from this.

2356
02:33:06,120 --> 02:33:11,640
The ARCA funds they received are not from South Dakota, but they report on ARCA funds.

2357
02:33:11,740 --> 02:33:21,320
And what I'm saying is not, the only thing I'm saying is the model that they use to report on their ARCA funds

2358
02:33:21,980 --> 02:33:25,320
provides a great model for us to follow here.

2359
02:33:25,320 --> 02:33:32,980
And one of the great points of your retroactive plan is we can make the decision, we can decide

2360
02:33:34,340 --> 02:33:37,620
what is eligible and what is not eligible.

2361
02:33:38,280 --> 02:33:47,040
My concern with pushing this off till next year is that CASP has extended their emergency existence money now.

2362
02:33:47,700 --> 02:33:48,600
I understand that.

2363
02:33:48,920 --> 02:33:54,100
Where are these people supposed to go now that CASP is out of this money?

2364
02:33:54,100 --> 02:33:59,940
We have the ability as a town to fill this need now.

2365
02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:06,640
I think, as Brian pointed out, this is our moral obligation to do this now.

2366
02:34:07,420 --> 02:34:12,060
I think if we kick this off till next year, what happens for these next two months?

2367
02:34:12,840 --> 02:34:18,820
What happens when we need to finally reach out to these organizations and give them 30 days to respond?

2368
02:34:19,540 --> 02:34:22,060
I think we should announce a program now.

2369
02:34:22,060 --> 02:34:26,620
We're not going to announce a program that we don't have in existence yet.

2370
02:34:26,760 --> 02:34:30,200
I think we can establish contact with these organizations.

2371
02:34:30,520 --> 02:34:31,560
That's not responsible.

2372
02:34:31,740 --> 02:34:32,460
We're already doing that.

2373
02:34:37,220 --> 02:34:42,580
But if we announce that we are willing to move forward with this plan,

2374
02:34:43,060 --> 02:34:46,760
the same way we did last work session.

2375
02:34:47,640 --> 02:34:53,220
And the organization, you know, I think Jill proposed us sending certified letters to all

2376
02:34:53,220 --> 02:34:53,980
of these organizations.

2377
02:34:54,320 --> 02:34:56,680
I know some of them have already reached out to us.

2378
02:34:58,140 --> 02:34:59,620
We're announcing this program.

2379
02:35:00,020 --> 02:35:01,860
The details are going to be put together.

2380
02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:04,720
We're going to reach out to you.

2381
02:35:04,980 --> 02:35:07,500
I think it's our responsibility to put this together.

2382
02:35:07,700 --> 02:35:10,760
What, in two weeks now that we've all done various research?

2383
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:18,460
I'm not going to put a plan together until we have the financial mechanism in place of

2384
02:35:18,460 --> 02:35:23,840
how we move forward. That's irresponsible to say that we're going to do business. No, that's

2385
02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:29,320
on their side. I'm talking about on our side. But on our side, if we say. But that's not,

2386
02:35:29,620 --> 02:35:36,180
I can't answer that question. If that paperwork is what we need. Chrissy has to get the

2387
02:35:36,180 --> 02:35:39,580
answers from the auditors from the federal government and that's what she's

2388
02:35:39,580 --> 02:35:44,240
trying to do. And John is saying it's going to take time. When we throw the

2389
02:35:44,240 --> 02:35:49,680
side to spend $250,000 on a front end loader and just sign the check with this

2390
02:35:49,680 --> 02:36:05,860
money. It's different. It's different. It's not tax dollars and just give

2391
02:36:06,620 --> 02:36:10,120
There's a difference, it's because they're the ones that have come to this task.

2392
02:36:10,400 --> 02:36:13,280
Right, and when Christy said, yeah I'm sorry.

2393
02:36:13,540 --> 02:36:20,760
There's no question that you can give to non-profits, but there has to be a specific connection

2394
02:36:20,760 --> 02:36:22,660
in what you're giving, what that is.

2395
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:27,540
I mean we do, right now, it doesn't have to do with people with human virginity,

2396
02:36:27,980 --> 02:36:30,700
but it does have to do with, they have a presentation today,

2397
02:36:34,680 --> 02:36:39,420
It's not really a grant, it's a contract they've done to provide certain services.

2398
02:36:39,740 --> 02:36:42,940
We're allowed to do that. We can't just get its money.

2399
02:36:44,400 --> 02:36:52,120
And it's different when we're using ARPRO funds for the town.

2400
02:36:52,420 --> 02:36:56,160
It's a different mechanism, and Christie explained that that mechanism was already set up.

2401
02:36:56,160 --> 02:37:02,220
So what Karen asked earlier, to use the funds for a town on the municipality, we can do that.

2402
02:37:03,120 --> 02:37:06,320
And that's what's great about this retroactive program that you've been doing.

2403
02:37:06,320 --> 02:37:09,820
Right, so we just have to set up that mechanism that's not there yet.

2404
02:37:10,280 --> 02:37:13,460
And Christy needs, is asking, saying she needs time.

2405
02:37:13,600 --> 02:37:16,620
She's reaching out to the auditors, she hasn't heard back yet,

2406
02:37:17,640 --> 02:37:21,840
and it's just, she's trying to get this process done as quick as possible,

2407
02:37:21,840 --> 02:37:29,040
So in the meantime, while we delay this, who are people in the community

2408
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:34,520
supposed to reach out to for aid? Good question because we have several

2409
02:37:34,520 --> 02:37:39,160
countless organizations that represent thousands of people in this community.

2410
02:37:39,740 --> 02:37:45,120
Lawrence Haven, Northwell-Paris County Family Services, every single one of them.

2411
02:37:45,220 --> 02:37:50,920
What are their clients going to do? They're going to wait, they're supposed to wait until we

2412
02:37:50,920 --> 02:37:53,320
got to act together, but we're going to do this later.

2413
02:37:56,120 --> 02:37:57,500
No, no, we have a request.

2414
02:37:57,800 --> 02:38:00,300
November 1st, and I have a sound board of members

2415
02:38:00,300 --> 02:38:03,200
going to cut a check on November 15th for six figures.

2416
02:38:03,720 --> 02:38:05,880
If Family Service League comes tomorrow,

2417
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:12,800
if they stand at that podium, if they stand on every right

2418
02:38:12,800 --> 02:38:15,780
now to commit six figures, sevens to them,

2419
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:18,160
six figures to grant, are you willing to?

2420
02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:22,440
If they just come to the podium, which is all that happens.

2421
02:38:22,840 --> 02:38:25,520
That's exactly what the conversation was about.

2422
02:38:27,380 --> 02:38:29,960
If you looked at a few months ago,

2423
02:38:31,120 --> 02:38:35,580
we had CAS come in and talk about this unprecedented need in our community.

2424
02:38:36,100 --> 02:38:41,980
We had them come in a few weeks ago to talk about the unprecedented need in our community.

2425
02:38:41,980 --> 02:38:47,640
all right and then they got up at the at the budget meeting to talk about this

2426
02:38:47,640 --> 02:38:51,880
and I think you raised some valid points Jill raised some valid points

2427
02:38:51,880 --> 02:38:56,760
Louisa, Sarah, Brian and we decided that we weren't going to limit this to

2428
02:38:56,760 --> 02:39:01,520
CAS we were going to open it up to all of the service organizations in South

2429
02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:11,560
Altan. And I think Karen raises a good point I would be fine

2430
02:39:12,880 --> 02:39:27,620
located in South Fulton, what I don't want to do is just open it up to everyone. I really want to try to focus on addressing the need in South Fulton and building infrastructure to serve these needs within South Fulton.

2431
02:39:27,840 --> 02:39:38,580
This isn't just about the need. This is about a long-term need. When we look at an organization like CAST that is serving 30% of the kids in our school,

2432
02:39:38,580 --> 02:39:43,740
What's 10% of our overall population in South Pole Town?

2433
02:39:44,220 --> 02:39:51,860
Listen, what we told you two weeks ago was due to COVID, and this is a reimbursement for 2020.

2434
02:39:52,440 --> 02:39:59,040
Scott talked about putting a group together to go for the future, so that we have two

2435
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:06,140
separate conversations here, and it's easy to figure out in the town who the service

2436
02:40:06,140 --> 02:40:07,600
in the town because all these nonprofits

2437
02:40:07,600 --> 02:40:09,860
have to take ridiculous records that way.

2438
02:40:10,180 --> 02:40:11,580
So I'm not worried about that.

2439
02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:13,900
What I'm worried about is let's get it

2440
02:40:13,900 --> 02:40:16,280
in the proper fashion in order to,

2441
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:18,560
for us to tell the control, we'll go ahead

2442
02:40:18,560 --> 02:40:19,480
and write a check.

2443
02:40:20,100 --> 02:40:21,340
And we're not, we're not,

2444
02:40:21,700 --> 02:40:23,220
but I don't think that we should wait

2445
02:40:23,220 --> 02:40:25,900
until that is done before we initiate this.

2446
02:40:25,980 --> 02:40:28,540
Well, I don't want to have the auditors come

2447
02:40:28,540 --> 02:40:32,220
and say, say, you missed appropriated this fund,

2448
02:40:32,340 --> 02:40:33,480
so now you have to pay back.

2449
02:40:33,480 --> 02:40:37,780
I'm not saying we should end it, but we need to initiate the letter and have the people

2450
02:40:37,780 --> 02:40:41,960
wind up so that when this is in place we can get it done before the end of the year.

2451
02:40:42,140 --> 02:40:45,320
But I don't know what we're going to say in the letter because we don't have some answers yet.

2452
02:40:45,740 --> 02:40:47,660
I'm just trying to be physical if you want to.

2453
02:40:49,020 --> 02:40:50,240
Haven't we agreed, right?

2454
02:40:51,100 --> 02:40:54,060
Last board meeting we agreed to headquarter in South Old Town.

2455
02:40:54,260 --> 02:40:57,340
Now we're talking about just located in South Old Town.

2456
02:40:57,380 --> 02:40:58,500
I hesitate to say that.

2457
02:40:58,500 --> 02:40:59,880
Okay, and that's fine.

2458
02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:01,620
And I think it's a point well taken.

2459
02:41:01,620 --> 02:41:09,600
Okay, let's let's say located in South Old Town. I think if we send, I think Scott or

2460
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:14,440
you suggested a certified letter to all of these organizations. What the five

2461
02:41:14,440 --> 02:41:19,180
criteria are and that we are going to reach out to them by the end of the day.

2462
02:41:19,200 --> 02:41:21,560
And to me, I said I wasn't ready to do that.

2463
02:41:22,180 --> 02:41:27,120
I know, I didn't agree to that because I think those fine criteria where

2464
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:29,980
at least that we created and have no basis in reality.

2465
02:41:30,280 --> 02:41:32,080
That was what it's up to the committee.

2466
02:41:32,740 --> 02:41:35,840
I don't want to take this to the very groups

2467
02:41:35,840 --> 02:41:37,100
that are out there that say, me,

2468
02:41:37,280 --> 02:41:39,160
I'm sorry, in the middle of my sentence,

2469
02:41:39,440 --> 02:41:42,720
Scott, there's way of beginning in your sentence.

2470
02:41:43,100 --> 02:41:46,100
But let me go from little to end on mine.

2471
02:41:46,540 --> 02:41:49,820
I think that we should be helping every organization.

2472
02:41:50,600 --> 02:41:52,360
I'm not suggesting we have a committee.

2473
02:41:52,640 --> 02:41:55,360
What I'm suggesting is have a meeting with them

2474
02:41:55,360 --> 02:42:00,960
and have it now. Don't forget, more than saving, then the service late, no preparer. They have

2475
02:42:00,960 --> 02:42:08,520
the same inflation, the same sparkling fuel oil, the same need, the same winter. So I think

2476
02:42:08,520 --> 02:42:12,400
right now we're so, we're rushing to give one organization money.

2477
02:42:12,460 --> 02:42:13,420
I just thought that it's the same need.

2478
02:42:13,440 --> 02:42:19,940
Again, I'm sorry. Well, how? How? How is it a different need? Just, how is it

2479
02:42:19,940 --> 02:42:20,440
a different need?

2480
02:42:20,460 --> 02:42:22,880
It might be a different amount of money, but it's the same.

2481
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:23,200
No.

2482
02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:24,500
That needs to be included in their letter.

2483
02:42:24,720 --> 02:42:26,980
I think we need to ask them what they are looking for

2484
02:42:26,980 --> 02:42:27,720
and how they're going to send it.

2485
02:42:27,740 --> 02:42:30,300
But that doesn't mean we're going to give them exactly

2486
02:42:30,300 --> 02:42:30,900
what they're asking for.

2487
02:42:30,960 --> 02:42:31,860
That's how I was thinking.

2488
02:42:31,960 --> 02:42:33,700
We need to have some idea of what everybody's asking for.

2489
02:42:33,700 --> 02:42:35,980
Wait, so I need to know how we can do it first.

2490
02:42:36,680 --> 02:42:37,680
How much are we going to do?

2491
02:42:37,900 --> 02:42:42,940
What it is going to be, we're going to pay $200,000.

2492
02:42:43,560 --> 02:42:45,220
You made four of us did.

2493
02:42:45,560 --> 02:42:45,860
I don't know.

2494
02:42:46,320 --> 02:42:46,840
We all need to look to you.

2495
02:42:46,840 --> 02:42:47,480
I don't know.

2496
02:42:47,480 --> 02:42:48,920
I just don't have $100,000.

2497
02:42:49,300 --> 02:42:51,100
How each one of us, Professor,

2498
02:42:51,100 --> 02:43:00,080
as the total scope of this program, $100,000 for people, you know, serving people of South

2499
02:43:00,080 --> 02:43:05,560
Old Town. We had said headquartered in South Old Town. Based on this feedback here, I would

2500
02:43:05,560 --> 02:43:12,160
like to say located in South Old Town. That's number one. I would also like to say located

2501
02:43:12,160 --> 02:43:18,280
in South Old Town so we're building infrastructure within our community. I think that is a very,

2502
02:43:18,280 --> 02:43:24,000
very important long-term goal here and both a point of this this short-term

2503
02:43:24,000 --> 02:43:29,040
program to address the immediate need and this longer roundtable discussion that

2504
02:43:29,040 --> 02:43:39,120
Scott's talking about which is very very valid. Right and that's all reasonable and I agree to them based on the feedback we're going to get from the

2505
02:43:39,120 --> 02:43:47,740
controller and the town attorney. And we don't have that full feedback yet. That's what I am not comfortable with moving ahead with this until we have full feedback.

2506
02:43:48,320 --> 02:43:50,860
But I think we need to announce the program.

2507
02:43:51,000 --> 02:43:51,780
I think it's a mistake.

2508
02:43:51,900 --> 02:44:01,960
So we can establish contact with these organizations so when our program is finalized, which I'm hopeful that we can do within the next two weeks.

2509
02:44:04,270 --> 02:44:07,570
I don't. What I'm hearing today is we can't do it in the next two weeks.

2510
02:44:07,570 --> 02:44:12,630
And I don't think we should do an announcement when we don't know exactly how we're going

2511
02:44:12,630 --> 02:44:14,490
to do this and what the timeline is.

2512
02:44:14,830 --> 02:44:17,150
We can certainly start reaching out to people.

2513
02:44:17,370 --> 02:44:19,650
Like you said, we've gotten letters with people saying,

2514
02:44:19,810 --> 02:44:22,510
once you establish a program, please contact me.

2515
02:44:23,070 --> 02:44:25,170
I mean, it's in the news that people are talking about it.

2516
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:31,070
So I think that, you know, what information are we going to ask for them now

2517
02:44:31,070 --> 02:44:33,410
when we don't know what we're going to ask for?

2518
02:44:33,890 --> 02:44:35,710
So I don't understand.

2519
02:44:44,870 --> 02:44:52,010
We talked about this. We talked about that being the process going forward, but we're talking about now we're talking about

2520
02:45:00,780 --> 02:45:09,600
Everybody knows, as the total scope of the entire program, there is one bucket of money, and that's what we said in the beginning.

2521
02:45:09,940 --> 02:45:18,640
So $100,000 is going to be done. Can we get up among these organizations that, we've said, meet these five criteria.

2522
02:45:19,160 --> 02:45:25,640
Serve the people of South Old Town. We had said headquartered in South Old Town, but no, now just located in South Old Town.

2523
02:45:33,460 --> 02:45:41,060
We said last time it was up to $100,000 to spread out all over the world, that's what we said.

2524
02:45:41,140 --> 02:45:43,880
So this could be a pal-mal rush to get this share of the money.

2525
02:45:44,260 --> 02:45:45,460
No, no, no.

2526
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:47,240
So it's up to $100,000.

2527
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:53,040
See, this new request at the microphone was for $100,000 for a single organization.

2528
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:55,080
Everybody's allowed to request $100,000.

2529
02:45:55,460 --> 02:45:57,920
We didn't ask for $100,000 to get it.

2530
02:45:58,200 --> 02:46:03,180
In the emergency right now, it is $100,000 total.

2531
02:46:03,420 --> 02:46:05,080
That's what four of the board members

2532
02:46:05,080 --> 02:46:07,880
had developed consensus on, but that's

2533
02:46:07,880 --> 02:46:09,620
what we were going to look at.

2534
02:46:10,200 --> 02:46:13,480
I think this larger program that we're talking about,

2535
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:17,020
ideally hearing what they're doing in East Hampton

2536
02:46:17,020 --> 02:46:19,920
with an application process, with an overall budget,

2537
02:46:19,920 --> 02:46:26,080
it is a worthy goal, a necessary goal, a long overdue goal, in South Old Town.

2538
02:46:26,520 --> 02:46:33,920
So if we're willing to give out a hundred thousand dollars of total funds to the entirety

2539
02:46:33,920 --> 02:46:35,900
of this community, I vote yes.

2540
02:46:36,860 --> 02:46:39,340
Now let's figure out how we're going to divvy up that money.

2541
02:46:39,620 --> 02:46:43,680
Because I do not think this reimbursement probe, first of all, is arbitrary.

2542
02:46:44,120 --> 02:46:48,540
Secondly, then there's going to be a Palmo restaurant getting the slips in.

2543
02:46:48,540 --> 02:46:53,740
And what's going to happen is some organizations are going to get a line sharing of this aren't so let's

2544
02:46:53,740 --> 02:46:58,600
If we're willing to commit $100,000 today, let's come up with a schedule on who's getting what

2545
02:46:59,600 --> 02:47:07,420
$100,000 in fact, I hope the end, I put $200,000 to every organization that does business as clients as Apple accounts

2546
02:47:07,420 --> 02:47:13,340
It's only about organizations that serve thousands, not just one, several

2547
02:47:13,340 --> 02:47:17,560
Are we willing to divvy up that money among the organizations from that

2548
02:47:23,520 --> 02:47:30,580
I would like to focus it on those two elements right now because that is where I see the

2549
02:47:30,580 --> 02:47:34,460
real need right here right now and that would be...

2550
02:47:34,460 --> 02:47:36,520
I'd like to interject here too.

2551
02:47:36,680 --> 02:47:39,760
Mental health services are important too.

2552
02:47:39,900 --> 02:47:42,100
I think that's something we need to also look at.

2553
02:47:42,980 --> 02:47:49,600
So, I'm hearing two things. One, we're going to do a one and done under ARPA for retroactive.

2554
02:47:50,100 --> 02:47:55,300
Moving forward, you want to develop a plan that mirrors East Hampton. Correct?

2555
02:47:55,920 --> 02:47:56,980
The two different things.

2556
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:02,360
We haven't even had the discussion as to whether it's going to be an annual perpetual program.

2557
02:48:02,660 --> 02:48:07,120
Exactly. That's why I say let's stick to the one thing and maybe discuss that and finish that.

2558
02:48:09,640 --> 02:48:17,500
The request was for $100,000, and the group seemingly two weeks ago supported the idea of putting up $200,000.

2559
02:48:17,960 --> 02:48:25,460
So one organization. Now, if we're saying we're going to agree to $100,000, that's going to be divvied up to all the groups.

2560
02:48:26,040 --> 02:48:29,580
I'm 100% in favor of it. In fact, I would say that's not sufficient.

2561
02:48:31,240 --> 02:48:36,280
Last week we said $100,000 divvied up between all nonprofits. That's the only way I agree to it.

2562
02:48:37,060 --> 02:48:41,640
So I think Happy wanted to make a point just about reporting potentially.

2563
02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:45,520
You know what? I spoke to Kathy about the reporting.

2564
02:48:45,740 --> 02:48:49,420
What I need to hear is I need to hear the town attorney and the controller say,

2565
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:54,280
we that have a town has to report back to the government.

2566
02:48:54,720 --> 02:48:55,600
That's what I'm worried about.

2567
02:48:55,760 --> 02:48:59,460
I'm not worried about the nonprofits reporting to us and us checking on them.

2568
02:48:59,780 --> 02:49:03,520
I'm worried about the town reporting back to where the money came from.

2569
02:49:08,240 --> 02:49:13,760
So, I have all the Treasury Department guidelines, thank you so much for joining us this morning.

2570
02:49:13,880 --> 02:49:17,840
Thank you, I appreciate your time.

2571
02:49:20,940 --> 02:49:27,420
So, I have all the Treasury Department materials I'm happy to share with the town looking at this issue.

2572
02:49:27,780 --> 02:49:31,500
So, eligible uses are through rent, mortgage and utilities.

2573
02:49:32,900 --> 02:49:46,620
There is no there is no federal requirement for competitive bidding a competitive process including bidding RFPs under federal law so a local government is free to grant a sub-award to any non-profit entity.

2574
02:49:46,620 --> 02:49:56,000
The requirement for the reporting is templates are right here for food assistance, and these

2575
02:49:56,000 --> 02:50:00,400
are exactly what we're using as a sub-awardee through another entity.

2576
02:50:00,820 --> 02:50:07,200
So we have all the information, it's very clear, I'm happy to send copies of this to

2577
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:12,180
the town, but I understand you want to have a process, I am all in support of all human

2578
02:50:12,180 --> 02:50:18,960
service agencies serving located in South Old Town, serving South Old Town residents to get help.

2579
02:50:19,100 --> 02:50:20,760
We are in a crisis situation.

2580
02:50:21,560 --> 02:50:26,280
Our meal served is 800% since 2019.

2581
02:50:27,180 --> 02:50:30,680
I am almost $400,000 over budget.

2582
02:50:31,280 --> 02:50:36,820
Is it clear to you that this board just said that you're not getting close to $200,000?

2583
02:50:36,820 --> 02:50:53,660
I understand from the last meeting and I was fine with it that the $100,000 was going to be distributed to multiple entities based on an assessment of the receipts they're providing and the need, the numbers they're serving, so it's an equitable sharing.

2584
02:50:54,200 --> 02:50:58,620
I agree with that, it should be shared. That was the result I recall from the last work session.

2585
02:50:58,620 --> 02:51:02,200
I am super grateful that you see the need and want to increase it.

2586
02:51:02,260 --> 02:51:07,520
I couldn't agree more that it should be $200, $300,000, whatever you can spare from your

2587
02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:10,620
ARPA funds because the need is tremendous.

2588
02:51:11,200 --> 02:51:16,460
I can't even tell you how many people come in daily for food and rent assistance and

2589
02:51:16,460 --> 02:51:17,600
gas and electric.

2590
02:51:18,220 --> 02:51:22,200
We are out of emergency assistance funds and I will have to start sending people.

2591
02:51:22,260 --> 02:51:25,440
I don't know where and you can tell me where to send them but I know the other

2592
02:51:25,440 --> 02:51:28,500
other agencies are struggling to because I communicate with them.

2593
02:51:29,080 --> 02:51:35,440
So I think it's critical and important for the government to help the non-profits fill

2594
02:51:35,440 --> 02:51:37,740
this gap in immediate and urgent need.

2595
02:51:38,040 --> 02:51:43,380
I think it should be open to, based on the criteria outlined by the board, I think that's

2596
02:51:43,380 --> 02:51:44,560
smart and prudent.

2597
02:51:45,240 --> 02:51:48,620
I do think doing due diligence, it's federal money.

2598
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:53,380
There's requirements, but I don't think it's as hard as complex as you may think.

2599
02:51:53,380 --> 02:52:00,620
I mean it's very simple the uses are very clear you write the letter these are the uses whatever it's rent food mortgage utilities

2600
02:52:00,620 --> 02:52:06,660
Tell the people then they have to provide their receipts and we've been audited every year with doing this

2601
02:52:06,660 --> 02:52:12,180
We get who that cares fact cares money. We've got NARPA. We've gotten EFSP money

2602
02:52:16,740 --> 02:52:21,460
Because I know that process is we're not gonna reinvent the wheel on that process

2603
02:52:21,460 --> 02:52:22,820
It's already there, it's been worked.

2604
02:52:23,200 --> 02:52:26,800
I'm worried about our end, and I need to get the answers,

2605
02:52:27,100 --> 02:52:28,600
and I don't have the answers.

2606
02:52:29,140 --> 02:52:32,000
And that's why I'm saying the answers are in here.

2607
02:52:32,140 --> 02:52:33,460
You don't even have time to do it.

2608
02:52:33,800 --> 02:52:33,940
That's it.

2609
02:52:34,500 --> 02:52:35,520
That's my problem.

2610
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:36,840
Yeah, they're very good at math.

2611
02:52:36,860 --> 02:52:37,520
I read that, too.

2612
02:52:37,680 --> 02:52:38,920
Yeah, I have to worry about minimum performance

2613
02:52:38,920 --> 02:52:40,380
200, all that minimum performance, 200.

2614
02:52:40,900 --> 02:52:41,560
That's all fine.

2615
02:52:42,400 --> 02:52:44,220
But my understanding was two weeks ago,

2616
02:52:44,520 --> 02:52:47,260
the discussion was getting cast 100,000,

2617
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:48,820
which is what the request is.

2618
02:52:48,820 --> 02:52:50,000
And that's how it was started,

2619
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:09,460
I think that's absolutely perfect. I do think we should be viewed as a one-on-one thing so that we can put a round table together and discuss whether that's being going to be something that's going to sustain each year.

2620
02:53:09,460 --> 02:53:13,300
right now we have all the funds let's use it if what's okay about a hundred

2621
02:53:13,300 --> 02:53:18,200
thousand dollars among low groups I think that's right I really do that was not my

2622
02:53:18,200 --> 02:53:21,700
understanding based on the original request and based on the discussion two

2623
02:53:21,700 --> 02:53:26,560
weeks ago well I mean I just do respect I disagree and I think others would say

2624
02:53:26,560 --> 02:53:30,540
but it came I made a hundred thousand dollar request the work session ended

2625
02:53:30,540 --> 02:53:34,980
with and Jill said do you want to open it up to all the human service

2626
02:53:34,980 --> 02:53:40,380
nonprofits. He came up with the five criteria. Headquartered, now you're saying located in

2627
02:53:40,380 --> 02:53:42,400
South Holtown, serving South Holtown residents.

2628
02:54:16,660 --> 02:54:21,820
And I'm saying that I've shifted that now based on the feedback of the community.

2629
02:54:24,740 --> 02:54:30,120
That's okay, that's great. But again, the discussion we still was about getting one of the musicians.

2630
02:54:30,780 --> 02:54:36,040
Everyone in the room is saying that it's abuse and they have a different perspective of how that conversation ended.

2631
02:54:36,240 --> 02:54:38,780
Can we please just move forward? We have an agreement, let's go.

2632
02:54:46,540 --> 02:54:54,260
You're going to have to look at the criteria, because you have to do a needs assessment,

2633
02:54:54,520 --> 02:55:04,780
so you have to look at each organization that requests it, and you have to see if they're

2634
02:55:04,780 --> 02:55:08,300
they're eligible based on the federal balance, so you have to determine if they're eligible.

2635
02:55:08,300 --> 02:55:10,960
I appreciate all that. What do you say, we'll take care of the

2636
02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:14,740
administration at the end of this, and what we'll do is support, we'll decide who gets what,

2637
02:55:15,020 --> 02:55:17,880
and we'll take care of that. Thanks for having me turn it over to some of you guys.

2638
02:55:18,000 --> 02:55:23,260
But the reality is, if this board is agreeing to distribute in $100,000,

2639
02:55:23,980 --> 02:55:29,900
to all the organizations in Southold Town, based on who's decision...

2640
02:55:29,900 --> 02:55:31,860
They should need assessment. That's part of the article.

2641
02:55:31,860 --> 02:55:36,720
But they all have great things about Jill's retroactive plan

2642
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:39,820
where they provide us receipts because it will show us

2643
02:55:39,820 --> 02:55:41,080
how much money they spend.

2644
02:55:41,860 --> 02:55:44,440
And I think we can decide proportionally

2645
02:55:44,440 --> 02:55:46,260
how much money they spend.

2646
02:55:47,220 --> 02:55:49,800
We take the total number of receipts

2647
02:55:49,800 --> 02:55:53,400
based on the proportion of each organization.

2648
02:55:54,200 --> 02:55:55,440
It's an easy formula.

2649
02:55:56,800 --> 02:55:58,640
So it's just giving people clients.

2650
02:55:59,480 --> 02:56:05,060
So we're going to create a program that's going to have all these organizations rushed to give us.

2651
02:56:05,520 --> 02:56:08,480
No, this is a one and done due to COVID.

2652
02:56:09,080 --> 02:56:13,740
And we're going to have them fill out proper paperwork, and we're going to review them all at once,

2653
02:56:13,900 --> 02:56:18,560
and we're going to decide whether we do it as a board and have Cameron and Jack come in

2654
02:56:18,560 --> 02:56:23,020
and have criteria of how we decide and say, okay, here's their need.

2655
02:56:23,620 --> 02:56:25,520
We're going to give them this much, this much.

2656
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:29,520
They're not going to get, like, if CAS says, I want 100,000,

2657
02:56:29,620 --> 02:56:30,760
they're going to give us a need assessment.

2658
02:56:31,340 --> 02:56:33,680
This doesn't mean we're going to give them 100,000.

2659
02:56:34,040 --> 02:56:35,960
We're going to look at all the other needs,

2660
02:56:36,240 --> 02:56:40,420
and we're going to decide as a group how much we're

2661
02:56:40,420 --> 02:56:42,980
going to give them based on their needs assessment.

2662
02:56:43,340 --> 02:56:46,540
So we're not sitting here today and saying,

2663
02:56:46,840 --> 02:56:48,680
CAS is going to get this, and this is going to get this,

2664
02:56:48,760 --> 02:56:50,460
because we don't have their paperwork yet.

2665
02:56:50,760 --> 02:56:52,740
What I would also like us to do

2666
02:56:52,740 --> 02:56:56,300
would say that we're not delaying this for months.

2667
02:56:57,180 --> 02:57:01,000
I think this is something that is our moral responsibility

2668
02:57:01,000 --> 02:57:02,460
to get done now.

2669
02:57:03,460 --> 02:57:05,200
That's why I think we should issue the letter

2670
02:57:05,200 --> 02:57:08,080
to all organizations, asking them to send their need

2671
02:57:08,080 --> 02:57:08,680
to discuss with us.

2672
02:57:08,680 --> 02:57:10,620
But instead of being the chairman of the Senate,

2673
02:57:10,820 --> 02:57:13,780
we're going to start with who has designed

2674
02:57:13,780 --> 02:57:14,620
this needs assessment.

2675
02:57:14,960 --> 02:57:16,680
It's got to be uniform and consistent

2676
02:57:16,680 --> 02:57:20,260
and fair to all organizations to represent the state

2677
02:57:20,260 --> 02:57:20,700
of the need.

2678
02:57:20,700 --> 02:57:22,860
So if it's cost, it's food, it's output.

2679
02:57:23,400 --> 02:57:26,340
The other thing I've also added is organizations

2680
02:57:26,860 --> 02:57:29,760
like if they're putting a lot,

2681
02:57:29,900 --> 02:57:32,560
like my old budget is like 1.6 million.

2682
02:57:33,060 --> 02:57:36,440
I get X number of dollars from the county.

2683
02:57:36,600 --> 02:57:39,680
So I would say I think we need to know

2684
02:57:40,380 --> 02:57:42,200
what other new kind means you get it.

2685
02:57:42,280 --> 02:57:45,420
I mean, I think we need to do more than just say,

2686
02:57:45,820 --> 02:57:48,440
give us your need and everyone's gonna have

2687
02:57:48,440 --> 02:57:49,220
a different definition.

2688
02:57:49,220 --> 02:57:53,300
So we really need to be, and that's why I mean it's going to take forever.

2689
02:57:53,600 --> 02:57:56,620
I think we just, I mean, Kathy has a speech assessment.

2690
02:57:57,020 --> 02:58:02,680
Well, just for the, we are a sub-recipient of a lot of funds and what has been set up for

2691
02:58:02,680 --> 02:58:06,480
nonprofits for this is how many people you're serving and your receipts.

2692
02:58:06,780 --> 02:58:07,660
Those are the two things.

2693
02:58:08,480 --> 02:58:08,860
That's what I mean.

2694
02:58:08,860 --> 02:58:10,740
Right, now are those people unduplicated people?

2695
02:58:10,780 --> 02:58:11,460
Unduplicated, okay.

2696
02:58:11,700 --> 02:58:12,780
Receipts of what?

2697
02:58:13,060 --> 02:58:16,640
The food and the rental assistance and the utility assistance.

2698
02:58:16,840 --> 02:58:18,340
So we pay the vendors directly.

2699
02:58:18,340 --> 02:58:23,180
So we have to show proof of that, and we have to show our food and seeds, and that is the number of people served.

2700
02:58:23,220 --> 02:58:26,920
And I guarantee you that the other organizations have this in place as well.

2701
02:58:27,300 --> 02:58:29,480
If you're a senior federal, I don't think that's a good thing.

2702
02:58:29,640 --> 02:58:30,740
I don't think that's a good thing.

2703
02:58:31,220 --> 02:58:33,020
I don't know. We need to ask them for it.

2704
02:58:33,020 --> 02:58:37,700
The other organizations were blindsided by this, I'll think, because they were not.

2705
02:58:38,060 --> 02:58:40,940
They never occurred to them to go to the podium and ask for it.

2706
02:58:40,940 --> 02:58:45,900
Well, I don't think that that's true, but I'm saying, going forward, we need to do this now.

2707
02:58:45,900 --> 02:58:50,460
We need to issue this letter, request the information so that we can get it going.

2708
02:58:51,080 --> 02:58:51,880
I think that needs to happen.

2709
02:58:51,880 --> 02:58:57,300
I think we should also set a timeline on ourselves that we are going to fund this before the end of the year.

2710
02:58:58,000 --> 02:59:00,440
I cannot set that timeline up again.

2711
02:59:00,780 --> 02:59:02,820
Where are they supposed to send these people?

2712
02:59:03,140 --> 02:59:05,040
Where is Kathy supposed to send these people?

2713
02:59:05,340 --> 02:59:10,760
I think we should make a commitment.

2714
02:59:10,760 --> 02:59:12,500
Let's set up a meeting that you said you were going to set up.

2715
02:59:12,580 --> 02:59:13,540
Let's set up a meeting.

2716
02:59:20,080 --> 02:59:25,320
I think we should ask the groups to submit to us a narrative as to why they need the funds,

2717
02:59:25,640 --> 02:59:31,920
not just based on their based on food, resistance and all that and based on the entirety of the need,

2718
02:59:32,120 --> 02:59:33,660
since it's meant to address all of them.

2719
02:59:33,660 --> 02:59:37,920
I don't think they can do that. We can't give them the funds unless they give us the needs assessment.

2720
02:59:37,920 --> 02:59:42,280
We are looking at what I'm suggesting, that is I see the next one.

2721
02:59:42,340 --> 02:59:43,800
According to the guidelines.

2722
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:44,540
What's that?

2723
02:59:44,720 --> 02:59:46,000
It has to be the receipts.

2724
02:59:46,200 --> 02:59:48,040
Of course that's one of the receipts of what?

2725
02:59:48,320 --> 02:59:50,520
We have the right to expand assistance.

2726
02:59:51,000 --> 02:59:52,060
And housing assistance.

2727
02:59:52,600 --> 02:59:55,140
That is what I would, at least speaking for me,

2728
02:59:55,300 --> 02:59:57,720
that is what I would like to restrict us to now.

2729
02:59:58,420 --> 02:59:59,800
Food assistance and housing.

2730
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,560
And I think the point that Kathy raises, you know, how many unduplicated people they serve

2731
03:00:06,000 --> 03:00:12,340
and what their receipts are. Those are two clear metrics that we can look at to inform

2732
03:00:12,340 --> 03:00:16,340
this judgment. To ask someone to write narratives and this and that. What does that do for us?

2733
03:00:16,420 --> 03:00:19,780
I'm going to tell you what it does. It shows that what the servants see up the garden

2734
03:00:19,780 --> 03:00:26,260
is essential and is a direct and the impacts to their points is directly related to the

2735
03:00:26,260 --> 03:00:27,020
impacts of the pandemic.

2736
03:00:27,180 --> 03:00:27,640
They can do that.

2737
03:00:28,560 --> 03:00:40,580
I think this is part of something for the longer term project, and I don't want to mix these two things together to over complicate what is an emergency need right now.

2738
03:00:41,040 --> 03:00:47,340
I want to try to simplify this now. I want to keep it as transparent as possible.

2739
03:00:48,180 --> 03:00:56,120
I think it's our responsibility, both as a recipient of these funds, but also as an allocator of these funds. It's our responsibility.

2740
03:00:56,120 --> 03:01:00,660
But what I don't want us to do is over-complicate it.

2741
03:01:00,780 --> 03:01:01,300
Good.

2742
03:01:01,740 --> 03:01:04,400
No, by all means, if you're willing to say,

2743
03:01:04,500 --> 03:01:06,340
we're going to distribute $100,000,

2744
03:01:07,260 --> 03:01:08,380
is there a clear understanding?

2745
03:01:08,540 --> 03:01:10,280
Because the emails I'm getting, there

2746
03:01:10,280 --> 03:01:11,440
was no understanding of that.

2747
03:01:11,840 --> 03:01:15,200
Certainly not by me, but by the very people lobbying

2748
03:01:15,200 --> 03:01:16,140
to grant the money.

2749
03:01:16,540 --> 03:01:18,240
In fact, they're specifically saying

2750
03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:20,660
they're demanding or they're requesting

2751
03:01:20,660 --> 03:01:24,080
I agree to the $100,000 to a single organization.

2752
03:01:26,720 --> 03:01:31,440
Let's work it this way. Just, I'm spitballing here. What do you say we get to talk on every time?

2753
03:01:31,940 --> 03:01:41,760
The reality is, is that there was a misunderstanding then, certainly by me and by a lot of people in this community.

2754
03:01:42,160 --> 03:01:46,880
Now if this board is saying we're going to take $100,000 and get it divvied up among all of the groups,

2755
03:01:48,340 --> 03:01:49,860
that's what I've been advocating for.

2756
03:01:51,100 --> 03:01:55,880
I do think we have to expand the role of need, but we'll take what we've got to say.

2757
03:01:56,000 --> 03:02:00,020
Well, you could put in a letter that priority needs will be.

2758
03:02:00,340 --> 03:02:05,320
It doesn't exclude other needs, but food, house and fuel, prioritize that,

2759
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:08,760
and then down below, other things can be discussed, and then you don't make a decision.

2760
03:02:09,320 --> 03:02:16,220
And I want to put that it's a, not in these words, but what I've done for 2022 reimbursement.

2761
03:02:16,220 --> 03:02:19,440
and as we go through this process,

2762
03:02:19,600 --> 03:02:21,340
we might be asking for more information.

2763
03:02:22,460 --> 03:02:24,560
And as we develop the process,

2764
03:02:24,820 --> 03:02:26,300
we'll let you know what the process is.

2765
03:02:26,820 --> 03:02:28,280
Because it's kind of hard to,

2766
03:02:30,220 --> 03:02:35,480
I think it just should be like a pre-submission letter,

2767
03:02:35,640 --> 03:02:37,720
I'd be able to say, hey, we're working on this.

2768
03:02:38,260 --> 03:02:39,880
These are the things that we're looking at

2769
03:02:39,880 --> 03:02:41,940
and it's not limited to these things,

2770
03:02:42,080 --> 03:02:45,220
but it's due to COVID and we're going to reimburse you

2771
03:02:45,220 --> 03:02:47,060
for the year of 2022 only.

2772
03:02:47,940 --> 03:02:50,980
Because I don't, you know, what's gonna happen is

2773
03:02:50,980 --> 03:02:52,600
we're not gonna get ARPA funds every year.

2774
03:02:52,740 --> 03:02:54,640
So I don't want people to say, well, you gave it to us last year.

2775
03:02:54,720 --> 03:02:55,780
Well, that was ARPA funds.

2776
03:02:57,160 --> 03:02:59,300
So that has to be clear.

2777
03:02:59,440 --> 03:03:02,260
I agree with you and that's how we conceived of it last time.

2778
03:03:03,340 --> 03:03:03,820
And I do.

2779
03:03:03,820 --> 03:03:05,820
That's why the reimbursement is for,

2780
03:03:05,940 --> 03:03:06,400
is a great idea.

2781
03:03:06,400 --> 03:03:08,240
For the purposes of this year,

2782
03:03:09,160 --> 03:03:11,220
account, you know, financial-wise and accounting-wise.

2783
03:03:11,940 --> 03:03:13,460
That's you, that's all you.

2784
03:03:14,180 --> 03:03:17,080
That's just not a sexist financial world to me, I don't know.

2785
03:03:17,380 --> 03:03:19,180
It makes perfect sense.

2786
03:03:19,860 --> 03:03:24,160
You know, I think it streamlines reporting because the receipts are already there.

2787
03:03:24,900 --> 03:03:28,320
And we also can make the judgment based on those receipts.

2788
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:37,080
You know, if we see someone, you know, submit a receipt for, you know, 1995 with Alan Stakes, we don't reimburse that.

2789
03:03:38,580 --> 03:03:41,860
Do you want to work on a letter? Do you want to work on a letter with John and Christie?

2790
03:03:41,860 --> 03:03:45,280
I think, do you want to work on that together with John and Christy?

2791
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:51,200
You know, we've both been doing work on this, I think it makes sense to try to push this forward together, right?

2792
03:03:51,420 --> 03:03:52,180
Happy to do that.

2793
03:03:52,300 --> 03:03:54,360
All right, see what I mean, you were getting...

2794
03:03:54,360 --> 03:03:58,680
Yeah, but what I would suggest is rather than just with seats, you look at the total expenditure

2795
03:03:59,100 --> 03:04:03,360
because some people are able to leverage what they have spent with other government programs.

2796
03:04:03,860 --> 03:04:08,200
So if you want to get an idea of what they're spending on those fuel, on the...

2797
03:04:08,200 --> 03:04:09,280
You're going to include it entirely.

2798
03:04:09,280 --> 03:04:17,060
Well, that's why I said the reality is that again, what's going to be you start it when

2799
03:04:17,060 --> 03:04:21,680
you can start collecting receipts from this day from three weeks ago from a month ago

2800
03:04:21,680 --> 03:04:30,040
from the first of January from calendar year of 2022. And I would like us to start receiving

2801
03:04:30,040 --> 03:04:35,680
these by the end of the year. I would like us as a board to make the commitment that

2802
03:04:35,680 --> 03:04:37,660
that we are going to open up this program

2803
03:04:38,160 --> 03:04:39,340
before the end of the year.

2804
03:04:39,680 --> 03:04:41,360
I'm not going to make that commitment today.

2805
03:04:42,520 --> 03:04:44,160
We're going to use all of 2022.

2806
03:04:45,440 --> 03:04:46,820
In other words, that's going to be the basis.

2807
03:04:47,100 --> 03:04:47,540
I think so.

2808
03:04:47,740 --> 03:04:48,760
Yeah, that's what this was.

2809
03:04:48,900 --> 03:04:50,180
Yeah, that's why I'm not here.

2810
03:04:53,340 --> 03:04:53,820
I see it.

2811
03:04:53,940 --> 03:04:54,920
I'd like to talk to the organizations

2812
03:04:54,920 --> 03:04:56,860
and see what they can, but they can't come up with.

2813
03:04:57,140 --> 03:05:00,660
We can analyze ourselves into an election for so long.

2814
03:05:00,760 --> 03:05:00,860
No.

2815
03:05:02,420 --> 03:05:05,220
Again, there is a clear misunderstanding

2816
03:05:05,220 --> 03:05:10,700
understanding about what the intent of the request was and what the intent of this request was.

2817
03:05:10,780 --> 03:05:13,460
If you want to call up on a K, carve it up.

2818
03:05:13,860 --> 03:05:17,360
If you're worried about delay, carve it up.

2819
03:05:17,780 --> 03:05:18,320
And that's it.

2820
03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:19,760
And carve it up now.

2821
03:05:20,160 --> 03:05:23,300
And I don't think we could do it until, write a check until January.

2822
03:05:24,080 --> 03:05:25,780
And I agree with you.

2823
03:05:25,940 --> 03:05:29,660
I do not think we are going to be able to write a check until January,

2824
03:05:29,880 --> 03:05:34,180
but I want to put us in a position that we can cut a check in January.

2825
03:05:34,180 --> 03:05:45,200
If we're not sending a letter till January, we're going to need to keep the period up until February and then we have a month that we're looking at it.

2826
03:05:45,260 --> 03:05:56,180
So we're going to March and then we're into April and then it's May and we're in the spring already and there's people that have had unmet needs.

2827
03:05:56,620 --> 03:06:00,120
I think I put up now, but that's what I'm looking to do.

2828
03:06:00,220 --> 03:06:01,720
I'm looking for us.

2829
03:06:01,900 --> 03:06:03,040
You think it needs to set up the meeting?

2830
03:06:03,340 --> 03:06:03,500
Absolutely.

2831
03:06:04,180 --> 03:06:04,300
Yes.

2832
03:06:04,580 --> 03:06:04,920
Yes.

2833
03:06:06,680 --> 03:06:07,340
What do you mean?

2834
03:06:07,460 --> 03:06:07,980
The round table?

2835
03:06:08,280 --> 03:06:09,260
No, no, no.

2836
03:06:10,840 --> 03:06:13,240
I think it's because I know what you're talking about.

2837
03:06:13,720 --> 03:06:16,260
We don't want to have so many games that never schedule another meeting.

2838
03:06:16,260 --> 03:06:16,340
No.

2839
03:06:16,520 --> 03:06:17,260
Carve it up now.

2840
03:06:17,900 --> 03:06:18,740
Carve it up now.

2841
03:06:19,220 --> 03:06:19,720
We can't.

2842
03:06:19,720 --> 03:06:20,500
You want to do it?

2843
03:06:20,900 --> 03:06:21,680
Carve it up now.

2844
03:06:21,800 --> 03:06:22,520
Based on what?

2845
03:06:22,840 --> 03:06:25,880
Based on client-based, based on whatever you want.

2846
03:06:25,880 --> 03:06:55,320
that's what I'm saying. So, they're saying they want to do a letter. I'm saying let's do a letter where they're gonna, you know, report to us what their unduplicated clients are, what their total spent is, you know, in these two categories. So, submit us a letter. We're gonna submit to you reporting requirements. We're gonna, we could allocate it after we receive this. And I think we will have a better sense of what the reporting requirements are.

2847
03:06:55,880 --> 03:06:56,920
with the town attorney and the

2848
03:06:59,360 --> 03:07:02,260
and we I guess what I'm saying

2849
03:07:02,260 --> 03:07:06,440
more than anything is I would like us to make

2850
03:07:06,440 --> 03:07:10,160
a commitment that we will start this before the end of the year.

2851
03:07:10,240 --> 03:07:14,780
So the meeting I'm talking about is he off he two weeks ago he said that he would

2852
03:07:14,780 --> 03:07:19,440
set the meeting between John and Chris and I'm sorry I said let's set up that meeting

2853
03:07:19,440 --> 03:07:22,760
because they want to do a letter. I would like to have John and Chris

2854
03:07:22,760 --> 03:07:27,340
is input in crafting that letter and that's what I'm talking about, setting up a meeting.

2855
03:07:28,880 --> 03:07:34,440
I mean, I vote that every organization that has clients in South Pole Town must set the threshold,

2856
03:07:34,440 --> 03:07:37,800
whether it's 100, 200, 300, gets 10,000 dollars.

2857
03:07:38,140 --> 03:07:39,140
I'm not going to do that.

2858
03:07:39,340 --> 03:07:42,300
But I will agree to getting this letter going on.

2859
03:07:42,320 --> 03:07:46,680
If we want to rush, if we want to hurry to get the one last thing on, we can move on.

2860
03:07:46,880 --> 03:07:50,980
But are we going to give an organization that has an annual budget of $50,000,

2861
03:07:50,980 --> 03:07:55,300
the same amount of money as an organization that has $500,000 annual budget?

2862
03:07:55,620 --> 03:07:56,340
Why wouldn't it happen?

2863
03:07:56,640 --> 03:07:57,640
That's my proposal.

2864
03:07:58,280 --> 03:08:03,900
In fact, the $50,000, the organization with $50,000 sounds like they need the money more than the organization.

2865
03:08:04,100 --> 03:08:09,660
I think what's critical is the number of people they're serving and not so much the full budget.

2866
03:08:09,920 --> 03:08:13,480
It's how many they're serving and how much it's spending on food and housing assistance.

2867
03:08:13,740 --> 03:08:18,500
And if these organizations had more, they might be able to provide more.

2868
03:08:18,500 --> 03:08:20,580
But they don't have the existing infrastructure.

2869
03:08:20,840 --> 03:08:24,360
I think the benefit of an organization,

2870
03:08:24,760 --> 03:08:29,120
and I guess what I really like about this idea of number

2871
03:08:29,120 --> 03:08:33,940
of unduplicated people plus money spent in receipts

2872
03:08:33,940 --> 03:08:36,820
is we're removing all of the administrative costs.

2873
03:08:37,280 --> 03:08:40,640
We're removing all of the building costs and all of that.

2874
03:08:41,040 --> 03:08:45,080
This is focused exclusively on giving money to feed people

2875
03:08:45,080 --> 03:08:46,160
and house people.

2876
03:08:47,260 --> 03:08:48,740
And it's money that's been spent.

2877
03:08:49,060 --> 03:08:50,660
The infrastructure is there.

2878
03:08:51,960 --> 03:08:55,380
But I'd like to start with what Scott said.

2879
03:08:55,900 --> 03:08:57,260
If you look at the overall budget,

2880
03:08:57,500 --> 03:08:58,880
like you need to see this 50,000,

2881
03:08:59,000 --> 03:09:00,040
what's there over it?

2882
03:09:00,100 --> 03:09:00,640
They're all over it.

2883
03:09:00,740 --> 03:09:04,600
It might be, you know, very, very large.

2884
03:09:05,040 --> 03:09:05,900
But it's very small.

2885
03:09:06,300 --> 03:09:08,340
But it's all for the equation.

2886
03:09:08,520 --> 03:09:09,780
And I think when you do the letter,

2887
03:09:09,920 --> 03:09:11,840
I would say, what's your total budget?

2888
03:09:12,460 --> 03:09:13,680
What are your overall admins?

2889
03:09:13,680 --> 03:09:16,780
And since any grants I've heard worth in that they're given out,

2890
03:09:17,080 --> 03:09:18,860
people want to know what your avenue costs.

2891
03:09:18,960 --> 03:09:19,980
We want direct services.

2892
03:09:20,520 --> 03:09:23,260
That's why Director Latif and Receives, I get that.

2893
03:09:23,560 --> 03:09:24,920
But if you're going to get a picture,

2894
03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:26,100
you've got to get the whole thing.

2895
03:09:26,240 --> 03:09:28,380
Then send out the East Hampton application.

2896
03:09:29,260 --> 03:09:31,880
Say, is the application here to let out get it back to us?

2897
03:09:32,040 --> 03:09:33,320
Because that answers all the questions.

2898
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:37,420
So we'll get together next week.

2899
03:09:37,980 --> 03:09:41,380
Jill, John, Christie, we'll go together this slide.

2900
03:09:42,100 --> 03:09:42,960
Does that sound good?

2901
03:09:42,960 --> 03:09:51,860
And this is just clarification on the full amount and then proposed $200,000 or $300,000.

2902
03:09:51,940 --> 03:09:54,400
Well, we have to talk about it later.

2903
03:09:55,900 --> 03:09:57,320
We'll figure that out later.

2904
03:09:57,320 --> 03:09:58,180
What

2905
03:10:05,770 --> 03:10:05,930
else?

2906
03:10:06,870 --> 03:10:07,210
Okay.

2907
03:10:08,990 --> 03:10:09,590
Congratulations.

2908
03:10:39,190 --> 03:10:39,510
Thank you.

2909
03:10:40,030 --> 03:10:42,550
Thank you.

2910
03:10:42,790 --> 03:10:44,270
John, fire prevention.

2911
03:10:44,830 --> 03:10:46,430
What's the meaning of the book?

2912
03:10:47,330 --> 03:10:48,930
What's the meaning of the book?

2913
03:10:48,930 --> 03:10:50,510
Are you going to put the state code?

2914
03:10:50,850 --> 03:10:52,050
Put the state code.

2915
03:10:55,270 --> 03:10:56,610
You didn't read it all?

2916
03:10:58,210 --> 03:10:59,390
It's expensive.

2917
03:10:59,670 --> 03:10:59,730
Yeah.

2918
03:11:02,770 --> 03:11:05,150
I just want to make sure that's all the movies.

2919
03:11:06,470 --> 03:11:07,030
Yeah.

2920
03:11:07,910 --> 03:11:08,230
Yeah.

2921
03:11:09,430 --> 03:11:12,450
We just brought our phone number back.

2922
03:11:12,790 --> 03:11:12,950
Yeah.

2923
03:11:14,190 --> 03:11:14,750
This

2924
03:11:21,790 --> 03:11:29,690
is what it confuses me because these are the emails on where we can support a $100,000 request.

2925
03:11:30,270 --> 03:11:30,930
Oh, good town.

2926
03:11:31,070 --> 03:11:32,330
That's some, what, versus opinion?

2927
03:11:32,930 --> 03:11:36,270
That's, no, what I'm saying is just so you're clear.

2928
03:11:36,270 --> 03:11:38,790
There's a real misunderstanding in the community.

2929
03:11:38,910 --> 03:11:40,690
So the fact is that I can't read your answer.

2930
03:11:42,150 --> 03:11:42,590
Okay.

2931
03:11:42,810 --> 03:11:44,970
So it's one person's opinion of what they heard from the meeting.

2932
03:11:45,550 --> 03:11:47,190
Of course they're going to ask for the vote.

2933
03:11:47,370 --> 03:11:48,690
So they're going to ask for the vote.

2934
03:11:49,450 --> 03:11:50,930
If there is.

2935
03:11:51,130 --> 03:11:53,110
Of course we cut out a lot of work.

2936
03:11:53,390 --> 03:11:53,990
I understand.

2937
03:11:54,270 --> 03:11:56,890
And that's why services to the community are helpful.

2938
03:11:57,450 --> 03:11:57,950
Over-production.

2939
03:11:58,630 --> 03:12:01,270
And I didn't want to argue that.

2940
03:12:01,730 --> 03:12:05,370
The labor at that point last week because I knew in the regulations

2941
03:12:05,370 --> 03:12:07,050
because it wouldn't allow us to do that.

2942
03:12:07,930 --> 03:12:09,690
But I didn't have that in front of me.

2943
03:12:09,910 --> 03:12:11,210
And I don't have Christy.

2944
03:12:11,510 --> 03:12:13,530
I said to Bayes, this is specifically on that.

2945
03:12:13,850 --> 03:12:16,310
I mean, I don't know if I think you're in there.

2946
03:12:16,450 --> 03:12:18,630
So it allows it, it does allow you to do that.

2947
03:12:18,630 --> 03:12:19,590
We could have done it.

2948
03:12:19,590 --> 03:12:21,370
And I have foreigners that also get a quarter.

2949
03:12:21,870 --> 03:12:25,010
No, we can limit it to people in the south of town,

2950
03:12:25,450 --> 03:12:29,430
but that's what I'm saying,

2951
03:12:30,050 --> 03:12:32,690
it has to be that service people in the south of town.

2952
03:12:36,720 --> 03:12:41,860
We want to thank the motion to go through an executive session, so that's, I don't want to use the right person.

2953
03:12:42,200 --> 03:12:48,040
Yes, I think the motion is going to make sense, especially with the purpose of discussing those opposites who fail, or at least who deal with poverty.

2954
03:12:48,520 --> 03:12:52,520
For publicity reasons, Gansley says the value there are, there's a lot of spiral plans.

2955
03:12:53,360 --> 03:12:57,520
And legal advice, it depends on what type of board it is that there's a share in coming in.

2956
03:12:59,800 --> 03:13:03,780
There's a lot of income for different persons and people where there's a lot of money coming in.

2957
03:13:04,160 --> 03:13:07,060
That's common, you know, there's a lot of money coming in.

2958
03:13:09,570 --> 03:13:12,010
He didn't know, he didn't know, he might just there any time.

2959
03:13:12,930 --> 03:13:14,630
Um, Chris, I have a question.

2960
03:13:15,130 --> 03:13:16,030
Um, I have a question.