Those
[clears throat]
people are here.
it is.
>> I'll put that one on. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
» [laughter]
>> No problem.
» And you you can turn the thing in the
back and it'll make it so you don't have
to be so close to it. It picks you up at
a different distance. [cough]
[clears throat]
A public hearing will be held by the
town of Sullivan Planning Board on March
3rd, 2026 at 6:45 p.m. at the town of
Sullivan, 7507 Lakeport Road at Nango,
New York 1337
to consider the application of Brent and
Melissa Buno for property located at 152
Washington Avenue, Canota, New York, SPL
number being 10.36-1-42
for a special use permit pursuant to the
town of Sullivan codes article 4 animals
and follow sections 105- -28 and 105-29
to have six chickens. The above
application is open to inspection at the
town office building 7507 Lakeport Road,
Chip Naga, New York during regular
business hours. Persons wishing to
appear at such hearing may do so by
person, attorney or other
representative.
>> They're not here.
» They are not here.
Just want to hold it till we get through
the rest of the agenda.
>> We'll hold it and then we'll go to Mr.
A public hearing will be held by town of
Sland Planning Board on March 3rd,
2026 at 6:45 p.m. at the town of
Sullivan, 7507 Lake Road, Chenango, New
York 1337 to consider the application of
Edward Atkins for property located at
8964 Green Road, Bridgeport, New York,
SPL number being 8.6-1-17. 6-1-17
for a special use permit pursuant to the
zoning schedule of the town of Sullivan
zoning law 275-9
D12
K for a 24x 46 ft temporary tent for
storage. The above application is open
to inspection at the town office
building 7507 Lakeport Road Chitna New
York during regular business hours.
Persons wishing to appear at such
hearing may do so by person, attorney or
other representative.
Mr. Action, you want Yep. You want to
stand up to the podium, please?
So, Mr. Action, we
got a couple different reports from your
neighbors.
couple of, you know, the one neighbor
sent us quite a few photographs
of all of it back there and
they're not very happy with everything
that's going on back there with all that
tents
in your property.
They think you should clean it up a
little bit, but
that's what we're going to address the
tent tonight. And is there anybody here
that would like to speak? Hi, Mr. Exon.
Okay.
Are you okay? All right, Mr. Action, do
you want to take a seat and then Art
state your name, your address,
and anybody who speaks, we give you
three minutes and then
Okay, our little Warbury Road. Uh, I
oppose the request and I have sat
through every one of these meetings. uh
and u uh at the last meeting I think the
board adequately described uh what the
current situation is and uh that uh
clearly made my mind up. So I'm I'm
opposing this application. Thank you.
>> Thank [clears throat] you.
» So Mr. Do you want to see any of these
pictures?
>> Yes, I'd like them.
>> All right.
You want to go up to the podium and I'll bring them over to you. You can
take a look at them.
» [clears throat]
» I'll give you a couple minute or so to
go through them and take a look at them.
» [snorts]
» So, did these come from my tenant that
just got evicted?
>> I don't think so. Um, I do cuz they're
on my property. Take these pictures.
before taking outside my fence.
>> What's the last name?
>> What's that?
>> What's the last name?
>> I can't hear.
>> What's the last name of you? What's the
last person saying?
>> Uh
the Craig.
>> No,
that goes to them.
>> About
>> No, somebody was on my property there.
These are nothing to do with the tent.
This is the front yard of the SL tenant
that I just got evicted. It's not
>> look.
>> All right. So you have
>> the 14
>> the tent's been an issue for three
years.
>> No, the garage has been issue for three
years. The tent was there and please the
garage.
>> No, the garage wasn't. You pulled your
application.
>> Well, I got it right here. Would you
like to see that?
>> You don't have the right stuff because I
went in there when I came back here last
month. We reckon
right there when I signed stuff. Yes.
>> But that was three years ago. That was
last month.
» I know nothing about I knew that you
applied for a garage three years ago.
>> That's correct.
>> And your house was an ituation and they
wanted
an architect's drawings on what you did
to your house and the work being done.
>> That's not true.
>> The true It isn't true about this.
>> That's not the whole sentence.
>> Okay. But your house isn't let's call
isn't your house isn't what we're
talking about. talk about the times
>> you're talking about the house. This is
>> I'm just giving you
>> Okay. All right, Mr. Ex.
>> It's You want to get it right one time?
>> Actions.
>> Okay. Sorry. My apologies.
>> Thank you.
>> Um
have any questions?
Any
questions?
» Sorry about the whole backyard.
>> Whole backyard.
>> Yeah.
>> So,
um,
>> so we're asking for a permit for a tent
that he's had already up for three
years.
>> That's correct. That's correct.
>> We're in court.
>> That's what I was told. We're
prosecuting. Mr.
and justice court over this. So
I I don't feel a special use for it was
made was developed for tents in the
backyard for storage. It's for home
occupancy work for different businesses.
>> So what might be helpful for the board
when when you get around to looking at
the merits of the application is the
burden's on the applicant. So the person
that comes before you have to
demonstrate why they're entitled to the
special use permit. That's solely their
burden, [clears throat] not your burden,
their burden. And the criteria that
you're faced with is they have to show
all the following that the location,
size of use and structure, na nature and
intensity of the operations involved,
the size of site in relation to it and
the location of the site with respect to
streets give giving access to it will be
in harmony will be in harmony with the
orderly development of that area. So
your first question is is having these
things on that property in harmony with
the orderly orderly development of not
just that property but the properties
surround it. That's your first question.
And then the second piece of it is that
the location, nature and height of any
buildings, walls or fences will not
discourage the appropriate appropriate
development and use of adjacent land and
buildings or or impair their value.
Third is um operations of any
conditional use should not be more
objectionable to nearby properties than
will any permitted use. So the question
is would these things are these things
more objectionable than something you're
allowed to have as of right? And um and
the last piece really I don't think is
relevant but has to do with adequate
parking that's really relevant but
that's a requirement for an applicant to
approve to to obtain a special use
permit.
I just want to remind you of that. And
that's um Jenna, that's um 275-9
uh
uppercase C.
» [clears throat]
» So, at this point, you're probably going
to close this public hearing. Everybody
else has spoken. You got the letter that
you have.
>> So, can I have a motion to close this
public?
>> Second.
>> So, hang around then come back up at
when we start a regular meeting at 7
o'clock. Then we go back and discuss
everything.
» Yeah.
» What's going on? Went over and talked to
the judge today. I was in there again
for that person with all that crap.
>> Yeah.
» But these photos are showing the tent
that you currently have up, right?
>> The tent that's in these photos is the
tent that you've had up for three years
now, which is what we are discussing.
>> Wait, what? Is there something wrong
with my home? You see something wrong
destroyed on it like your attorney
talked last week
apart.
>> I'm going off of what the attorney just
pointed out about
how it compares to
adjacent land other uses.
>> Apparently, nobody's been on the
» secondary. You want me to read that
again? Yeah, if you would because they
just came in.
» A public hearing will be held by the
town of Sullivan Planning Board on March
3rd, 2026 at 6:45 p.m.
7507 Lake Road, Chittangle, New York
1337 to consider the application of
Brent and Melissa O'Neal for property
located at 152 Washington Canes Stooga,
New York. SPL number being 10.36-1-42
for a special use permit pursuant to the
town of Sullivan code article 4 animals
and file sections 105-28 and 105-29 to
have six chickens the above application
is open to inspection at the town office
building 7507
road chip mango New York during regular
business hours persons wishing to appear
at such hearing may do so by person
attorney or other representative
You guys want to talk to them? Thank
you.
Good evening. Um, in the papers there,
uh, our neighbor
just u written a letter in response to
this
situation.
» And then um I was asked to kind of draw
up like where the coop goes. That's our
um
our property. Uh can't remember what
it's exactly called, but anyways. Um, I
did kind of change the lines for the 25
foot because I know the 25 foot away
from the neighbors is kind of uh what we
need to be concerned with for chickens.
So, I re some lines and I also um in the
next
page it talks about a chicken tractor
which we kind of discussed just a little
bit um and the benefits of it in that
the chickens are healthier. Um, it also
keeps your lawn in a better condition
and um
can also help uh with
uh ticks and other things because
they're moving around eating those
things that you don't really want to
have around. Um,
see what else I put on there.
Take up less space,
keep the yard better, and yeah, keeps
the birds healthier, too. And then um
the next pages it just talks about how
our fresh eggs are so much healthier for
you and then what we purchase in stores.
» That's it.
>> Okay.
So
[snorts]
I took I took a ride down and I looked
at your property from the road and
you're right on the corner
>> and the lake is right across.
>> Yeah.
So, the only place looks like you had
any room [clears throat] whatsoever to
scoot your portable cage around is your
front yard, George Lake.
» And you have 10 chickens,
>> but your application is for six.
>> Yeah, we discussed the fact that we are
300 square feet shy of of being able to
keep 10 chickens. So,
>> at the last meeting, we discussed that.
>> Yeah.
>> Um Yeah. because you stated you thought
that you may have what 20,000 square
feet your building your yard
you were going with 10 chickens right
>> yeah and I think that's what is a lot of
10 2000 and we're like something
>> that that would be clear land not with
house setting on it a swimming pool deck
and another garage besides the one
attached to your house
>> I guess this is not specific
Yes, lot that just a lot of size, right?
You got what 16,800 square foot house
with an attached garage.
What's your other garage sit 14 by 20
something in the back?
>> I don't know.
>> Pools 28 foot round
>> with a deck. Yeah. So that cuts down
your square footage quite a bit.
>> Yeah, the cage is um 4 foot by if you
include the uh the coupe and the
extending cage is 4 by3 which isn't very
large.
>> So is there anybody here that's wants to
speak for this? All right. So, okay. I'm
going to have them speak first. If you'd
like to sit down,
» so I got a couple rules. You get three
minutes. So, and state your name,
address, and then I start the three
minutes after that.
>> Okay.
>> Uh, my name is John Smith. live on
Washington 133 Washington with my wife
Betty. Um we know of them. We're not,
you know, really close to them, but we
are neighbors.
>> The chickens don't seem to cause any
problems. Anytime we've been down that
road or down the lake, the chickens are
in their yard or they're in the
um I don't see it as a problem.
I think there's bigger problems in that
area than chickens.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. just, you know, our opinion
and our, you know,
» Yeah, we appreciate it.
>> Thank you.
» [clears throat]
>> Um, I'm actually going to oppose this uh
chicken cell. Uh according to modern
agriculture magazine, their special
chickens issue, chickens uh excrete two
cubic feet of manure every year. So 10
chickens are going to excrete 20 cubic
feet of manure on this property every
year. Now this box only holds one and a
half cubic feet [clears throat]
uh in volume. And uh that may be the
volume of manure dropped by one chicken
times the 10 15 cubic feet of manure
perhaps that have already been dropped
by the 10 chicken thing. Uh chicken
manure is a smelly liquid blend of
ammonia based urine and feces uh that
kills the grass that it drops onto and
it drops
from a single combined vent in the
chicken.
um which because it's blended and
ammonia based, it attracts flies galore
and kills morass before it partially
sinks into the ground. Uh which defeats
composting actually and and blends with
every breeze which is why many of the
residents are down there is for the near
constant breezes
uh providing neighbors with a constant
width of barnyard success. I think the
congested area of MR12 throughout is
made up of waterfront and water view
homes on mostly quarter acre and smaller
lots. This one's a large lot uh in
comparison, but we need to be talking
about the neighbors down there. And
that's really why we're here. Uh and
these properties are costing two to
three times more than other properties
south of 31 and paying two to three
times more in taxes as well. People here
buy from the waterfront, the breezes,
the outdoor lifestyle. But this proposal
is eventually, if not already,
subjecting them to farm smells and flies
galore. It's not a problem south of
Route 31. But it is here and especially
during the 80°ree and 90 degree weeks we
all try to enjoy outdoors. And this MR12
area, people are out even more. This
proposal is a greater detriment to the
MR12 neighborhood lifestyle and and it
is a benefit to the applicant. Uh town
code limits foul in MR12 to protect the
lakefront taxpayers from smells of
manure flies by the way and other
nuisances that might be managed as if
they were simply on a farm or a farm
south of Route 31. The stinky
combination of uh liquid ammonia based
manure and near constant waterfront
breezes depletes periodic composting. It
cannot be undone by simply a partial
weekly manure scraping because this
stuff over the course of a week sinks
down into the top two inches of the
ground. Uh, and nobody's talking about
taking that out. Um, or limiting to a
hot barn. Imagine that. As the manure
builds up, we are talking 15 to 20 cubic
feet per year of this stuff. Chickens
are prone. In conclusion, chickens are
prone to farm nuisances, manure smells,
flies galore, uh worms, parasites, lice,
and salmonella spread by the flies, by
the way, who travel a quarter mile fly
biology for you across the neighborhood
for picnic dining. Uh that's why our
county board is going to be holding a
public hearing and a vote in one day
whether to have a moratorum on these
types of applications. Uh, please don't
approve this application just before a
moratorum is considered by the town.
Thank you.
>> What was his name and where he lived?
>> What's that?
>> Oh, that's because he said it the first
time. You want to give your name?
>> Sure. Artio
» doesn't have to be.
>> So,
does have any other questions?
» [clears throat]
» six
push
special.
>> Yeah, you can get up to six special.
How many without a special?
>> Well, there's a there's a little
chart we have in our code
[laughter]
right there. It's 105-209
density for um density for fowl.
So under 10,000 square feet up three
between 10 and 20,000 square ft up to
six
and then goes up and up from there.
[clears throat]
How close are you to the lake?
>> Uh just on Lake and then it's the lake
right across the street. Across the
street
there's the street that goes the front
of their house. Then there's a grass
area where people
then the lake is on the other side of
that
>> and the parcel circle land is only
[clears throat]
» you know you get rain water whatever
Here's a street. There's a street goes
down
here.
Thinking how much
chicken put out and
how much filtered down into the soil.
>> Is there anything we can do about the um
Canadian geese?
We have Canadian geese that poop all
over the properties and our yard too. I
mean, that's just that's a thing that's
I don't know. It's just kind of that's happening. But I know we can't do
anything about that. We have to survive
with them.
>> They really work.
>> Yeah. Um and but about the chicken
tractor, it's actually much more
sanitary than just having them all in
one place because it does move around.
He's he moves it. He cleans it up and
moves it around. So, and he's really
good at cleaning out the poop and
everything, too. So, yeah. All
right.
Second. All in [laughter] favor?
>> Thank you.
» Well, we're past 7:00, so we'll start
our meeting for March, our planning
board meeting.
were passed around. Did anybody see any
questions?
Can I have a motion to pass?
Second favor
are passed.
Right.
So, let's come on up and we'll discuss
your You want to stand at the podium
here?
» [clears throat]
» So
that's that's been an ongoing issue for
three years now. The tent I'm not
talking the house. I'm talking the
backyard and the tent.
That's that's what the special use for
that. He would like this as the tents
for storage, right? Well, until like the
garage [snorts]
the garage starts, the tank's got to
come down,
» right? So, I mean,
well, it's up to I mean a special use
permit
once you issue a special use permit that
goes on that property forever.
Is that correct, John? Special use
permit runs with the land. Yes.
>> Yes.
>> So,
>> well, it's going to be special use for
the garage, too. You still got to have
whatever you do with special use.
>> Well, the garage would be a whole
different subject with the tenants. Um,
obviously the tents do not go with the
area. Doesn't go with the culture. And
if
the board's ready to vote, we'll vote on
it.
>> One way. One way to approach this, it's
up to you, could be you could ask
yourself whether this applicant has
carried the burden of proving uh that
they're entitled to a special use
permit, reminding you of those criteria
that I had read to you earlier, which
included whether this request and you
seen what it is. He's asking, can I keep
this here? Do you think that that that
[laughter]
existing use or continue continuation of
it would be in harmony with the orderly
development of that property and beyond
that uh allowing to stay there? Will it u discourage the appropriate
development of that land or adjacent
lands? It might be easier to look at it
as to whether the applicant has proven
their case. Every applicant [laughter]
has to prove their case. So that might
be a way and your comments you know that
you have about it all dove tail into
that that's the way you approach it
>> right it's kind of leads into the
question
right
are you know my voice doesn't project
very well
um
» okay what you're trying to do Are you
bringing in a tent in there?
>> Have you seen the pictures of this?
>> Tents are already there.
>> It's right there. It's It's that green
canvasy
» structure.
>> What are they made of?
>> Tents. What are they made of?
>> This is Army Heavywe.
>> Yeah. Your attorney. Last time I was in
here, he thought, "Oh, the tent's going
to go up there. The wind's going to blow
apart. It's all look like crap in no
time." Been up for two years. Not
nothing wrong.
[snorts]
That's
another picture.
Is this visible?
Uh
the is the tent going to be taller than
the fence?
» It's taller. Should be safe from
>> Okay. So, what about the tent or the uh
[snorts] occupants of other houses down
that road?
>> There's no problem with anybody. Not
one.
You know, you showing me these pictures.
Don't they had to be here in person?
They want to complain about this.
>> They do not.
>> No, they can send us correspondence.
>> Seems to me maybe Larry took those for
you supposed to be there.
>> It's irrelevant who took the picture.
>> The photographs depict the property as
it exists.
>> The thing is you're arguing over a tent
that I want to come down myself. The
application is in again for the garage a
month and whatever. I came in a week
before I don't know where the meeting.
>> So you are you going to be using this or
are you going to be taking this
>> down
is up as and if you look at the pictures
you can see what the property is all
about.
>> So from the photographs
>> when when's your when's your plans for
doing the garage? This spring.
>> Maybe this spring.
>> Yeah. So this is just temporary. Yes,
that's what I'm doing.
temporary. There's things inside that
can't get wet. John,
>> you're on the contractor. That's what I
>> Well, he's in court right now and and
our office was asked to prosecute him.
Not just on the tents, but all of that
stuff that's lying outside. So, if the
tent comes down, you got you don't
approve the tent. We'll continue with
our prosecution. We'll get an order to
clean all of that stuff off of the
property. It'll be taken somewhere else.
>> It's all coming up anyway. That's not
>> That'll work out well then. It's all
coming up anyway.
But I think the delay it's been delayed
for Larry. How long has this been
delayed for?
>> How long has this been going on, Larry?
>> More than two years, I think.
>> More than two years.
>> So, probably enough time to submit an
application for a true garage.
>> It's redone.
>> But he can and he's allowed to pursue a
storage building.
>> Yes.
>> And he can and he can move stuff into it
once it's built. But I think the issue
has been it's been this for some time.
So, but again, it's it's a special use
permit. He has to prove he's entitled to
the special use permit as the code is
written. So, you would have to make
findings saying yes, what I what we see
here is in harmony with that
neighborhood. Is that what that
neighborhood looks like? Generally
speaking,
>> that's one way to look at it.
>> I don't.
>> It's up to you. You guys can vote for it
or you don't have to. No. Right. Right.
So,
you ready to vote? We'll
do a roll vote. I'll start first. I say,
Mr. Action, I vote no for permit for
special use. If you're taking the tents
down, you're cleaning it out and you're
going to build a garage.
I don't see why you need a special use
permit for that.
So, Tory, I'm opposed. Also, I don't
know how long it's going to take to
actually get the permanent garage built
if it goes through. And I mean, this
time can be here for multiple years
again.
>> The tenant has to come down immediately
service.
>> Correct. But we don't know when you're
going to build that garage. When
>> Well, you ask yourself because the
permit or the application is in for the
garage. It's right there. You say yes,
it'll start tomorrow. But you've been
saying no for two years
>> and I gave you everything you wanted for
that garage. You got the variance from
the dot or whoever the hell it was and
everything else. So what's that?
Because every time I come in here, Larry
says, "Oh, you got to know when the
birds fly over, what color of the grass
is going to be garbage."
>> I remember these violations that I had
on my house. You know, you want a
lawsuit here because this is where it's
legal. Okay. There's no proof. Anything
done at my property by me.
There's something here that just doesn't
>> probably be driven over to look the
property person.
>> No, I will tomorrow.
>> Unfortunately, he's already lost because
two people have voted no. So, his
application
>> your application is tonight.
>> But Paul, I do think you should take a
look at it
>> for a special use permit. Yeah,
>> but Paul, you should you should go one
way or the other if you want.
>> You want I'll meet you there. I'll give
you a tour.
>> Okay. Where your address?
>> 8964 Green Road. Right next to where the
Bible return
right by the when you cross before you
cross the creek going into Bridgeport.
>> Okay.
So there's a call. There's a vote
called. So either you have to vote yes
to approve it, no to say like the other
two gentlemen did, or you can abstain,
which isn't going to matter because it's
not the approval is not going to.
>> Now that I know exactly it is kind of to
me, it looks like it's not going to
impact
much. There's already a store there. If
anything, my property has improved the
neighborhood. So, even with all the junk
you have in the pictures, it isn't mine.
>> Which way are you going? Yes or no?
» So, it's two against, one in favor. It
fails because it needs three to be
approved.
So now there's a pending court case that
will be pursued to uh obtain
[clears throat] an order to have
everything removed from the property
that's not properly, you know, inside of
a building. Not not he can keep it all.
He's got to move it off off of the yard
and the tent
and he can pursue his garage and do
work. So that's clearly fine. And then
if he's got it stored somewhere else, he
can move it all back into his garage.
Yeah, absolutely. You can pursue your
garage. Yeah, it's not a problem.
>> The application is in right now. Same
time as they have it on the agenda for
next month then be ready to go. Yeah,
but but he's gonna Meanwhile, our office
is going to prosecute the violations.
>> Yeah. You want me to put you want to get
on the agenda for your garage next
month?
>> No, you're not following what I'm
saying.
>> I I [laughter] follow exactly what
you're saying. Why aren't we?
>> But but the thing of it is is what the
business was tonight is your special use
for for your tent. That was the business
tonight.
>> No, both things were on that
application.
>> Well, even even if anything [laughter]
had been approved, it doesn't mean you
get to keep it in violation. That the
amount of fines that are building up on
this property are potentially staggering
when you look at every day as a
violation. So, I think it's good to sort
of cut it off now.
>> Yeah. But he can Yes, he can pursue it.
Yeah.
>> So, Mr. Would you like to be on the
agenda for next month?
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So, we're going to put you on the
agenda for next month and we're going to
discuss your garage. Okay.
>> Larry, Larry, what does he need? Larry,
what does he need for that garage? They
have to be
>> everything you needed. Uh, all of a
sudden, Larry brought in wanted to
change my house for three family and I
we're talking about the garage. I know.
>> What does he have to have for plans and
drawings for this board?
>> Drawing.
>> Okay.
>> Prepared by hope
>> slab or
>> it can be done a bigger garage.
>> It's the same 24 by 46.
>> Okay. Do [clears throat] we have all
that now for next month's meeting? You
know,
>> I would have to have foundation plan
building application filled out or
anything.
>> Okay. Then I don't know
>> that I think he's referring to we filled
out was for this special use permit
>> for the for the temporary correct
whatever the temporary [laughter]
>> am I going to take it out both were on
that you and both were there you both
said put it into the meeting
second
[laughter]
>> this was happened from day one nowhere
>> you guys have other
>> Yep. So,
we'll be you'll be here next month and
we'll talk about about your
um your garage.
>> All right. What about the back stairs? I
gave you the drawing for that.
» Your stairs.
>> Yeah, that's one of the violations.
>> Yeah, that's that's not us. That's going
to court.
>> That's going That's not us, sir. Hey, as
you said, I had to come to you for
special use permit. So, she knew my
service.
>> I got your permit right in front of me
right here. And here it states you're
looking for a permit for a 24x 46
temporary tent.
>> Thank you.
» Tell me one thing.
» Well, tell them it is. Did we talk about
this? Why am I here if you're just going
to ignore it and let it go?
>> Everything that was on the property had
>> Okay, there they are. You hear that?
>> I brought you the drawings specifically
with a picture and you ignore it.
>> The your application is for your tent,
sir. That's it.
>> No, it's not.
>> It's done.
>> It's over.
the applicant pursuant.
See, it's a permit for 24x 46 temporary
tent.
Add new 36 in entrance door to the front
left of the home.
That's what your application is for.
That's it. That's what your application
is for.
Um
there is no date
>> there. There should be a date on
application. They don't have
>> I could tell you that there's a date
where it says date application completed
but there's no date filled out blank.
Let me
[clears throat]
» [snorts]
» Okay. [laughter] Yeah. Want to come on
up?
» Okay. So,
we have
chickens.
We're in the what?
>> Neighborhood.
I mean,
does anybody have any questions here?
>> You're in a MR12.
So, can I ask? So, before you decided to
purchase these tickets and bring them to
your home. Did you think there was any
kind of regulations on that with the
town?
>> So, um, in couple of streets throughout
our time living in Lake before where we
live, there have been people with
chickens. So, we didn't realize that.
>> Well, there was a woman up on Lafayette
and they had chickens. Her chickens are
all gone.
They were taken off the property.
because you're in an MR12,
you know, it's not there's a lot all
that green right behind you on that map,
that's all agricultural land.
About that map, it's [clears throat]
interesting. Um, our neighbors uh ways
down, they have 13 acres. They're also
in MR12 because they live like on the
wrong side of 31, I guess you could say.
And I don't understand why they couldn't
have chickens either. It's just the way
it's zoned.
Yeah.
>> Yeah. I I don't know.
>> 12 high density neighborhood.
>> They have 13 acres. I [laughter] know we
don't have 13. I know we have almost a
half acre of land.
» We have neighbors on three sides instead
of four.
>> If somebody came in here with an MR2,
they had 13 gres
and they had six or 10 chickens. They
got a lot more spots to put those sh
>> Yeah, we have a a pen that's 13 feet by
four feet,
>> right? But they don't have a neighbor.
>> Well, about the neighbors, we have
actually met more neighbors than we ever
had except they come and visit us and
say hi. Just because we have chickens,
we've met the most neighbors ever this
past summer.
>> I know it's sad, but it's
regulations.
that we can ask for.
» Just do you have any other
questions for him? Anything you'd like
to talk about?
Just feeling
I don't know what it is.
I understand why
>> Almost a half acre.
But you look at that
half acre. You got a very nice house
sitting on that acre. Half acre. You got
it. It's got a attached garage. Then you
have a second garage. It's a good size
garage. And then you have a swimming
pool.
Then you have a deck and it takes all
that away.
>> And we have a large side yard or
whatever you call it.
>> Front yard.
>> Whatever you want to call it.
>> When you live down by the lake, anything
the lake is your front yard,
right?
>> Yeah. It doesn't really matter what you
call it. It's just it's a nice part of
land we have there.
Um,
are you are you ready? Do you want to
vote on it or do anybody have any more
questions or anything more clear up?
» Remember,
>> all three of you have to vote in favor
of it to for it to get approved because
of the way the rules work in your state.
Your five person board takes three to
approve it.
Okay.
>> So, does that mean we can come back and
verify?
>> You can, but
hearing this more often.
[laughter]
So, I just want to make sure.
>> Yeah.
I I I'm so confused because like
chickens are really beneficial with
their eggs and with what they do like
the eating like bugs and things that
aren't helpful. I don't I understand
like I mean places usually allow
chickens. I don't really understand
what's so harmful to them.
>> Free rolling chicken. No,
>> they have a cage and it's a a tractor so
we can move it around the yard so that
it can a it's sanitary for the chickens
and it also is he cleans it up every
day. So that
» you can you can only approve up to six.
You're not allowed to approve more than
six
>> six. [clears throat]
>> I know they like to have 10, but it's
you don't have that power.
>> So I will ask this question. Do you want
to wait till the next month until
there's five or do you want us to vote
on it tonight?
>> That's your choice.
>> But if the moratorium's in place, you
can't you can't vote on it, but that the
application's frozen by our moratorum.
So,
>> Tom, we're voting on that moratorium
tomorrow, right?
>> That's what I thought.
>> Yeah. I don't I didn't I didn't I don't
know what the board's going to do. I'm
not sure if they're gonna vote in favor
of the moratorium or not.
little bit of
>> Can you explain? I don't really
understand the moratorum.
>> No, you're right. I'm sorry. So, so in
land use, sometimes in land use, a tool
that a town has is to recognize that if
we want to pass a law and there's some
pending applications and things, we can
call a timeout. Town call timeout
through a moratorum. The law moratorium
means to stop. We're not going to
consider any more. might be a wind farm,
might be garages or whatever. Could be
anything. In your case, if that the
proposed law, the mortorium has to do
with foul exactly what you want to do
and gets approved tomorrow night. It
[clears throat] freezes every
application in place until the town
board decides what they want to do with
those regulations. So then they if they
do it then they have I think we did it
for six months or a year, I forget. Then
they have to [clears throat] sit down
and work out are we going to change the
regulations? How would we like them to
read? And it happens quite more than you
think, but most recent ones we've been
doing have been wind laws and solar
projects and things like that. So that
just gives you an idea. But in this
case, this one deals with chicken.
>> So does that mean that a lot of our
community members in Sullivan County
want for Sullivan want to have chickens?
Is that
>> No, it doesn't mean any one way or the
other. just just means that the board
was was asked to consider a moratorum
because the town had been getting a
whole bunch of chicken applications
recently.
>> So, it sounds like they do.
>> You are you are like the last latest
[clears throat] in a in a
>> a lot of chickens.
>> I'll say this, your application is by
far the best. You guys are the
[clears throat] most wellprepared.
Explain yourselves really well. But the
underlining issue is can does a town
want to consider allowing chickens in
certain areas? And that's that's where
you got caught up in a moratorum for
now.
>> But if the board comes back, oh, we're
just going to keep allowing it, then you
can you can still be considered for or
if they go, "No, we're not doing this."
Then you're going to be out of luck. But
[laughter]
the other problem you have, there's only
three board members here tonight. One of
them says, "I I'm not comfortable that
you really aren't going to get those
chickens,
>> right?"
>> So then if we went with a moratorum,
would we be able to keep the chickens
during that time? Technically, well,
you'd be in violation.
>> Technically, you'd be in violation. It's
not a
>> even though it's not decided yet.
>> Yeah. Because you're not approved to
have the chickens right now. It's such a
catch 22 different sides. It's a little
weird. It's a very strange situation.
Yeah. If you have the chickens, you're
probably supposed to have gotten that
special use permit before. You could
have. I don't know if you would have.
>> And meanwhile, you know, [clears throat]
are you prosecuting this or is uh Kim. So we have a animal control officer
and that that falls under her
jurisdiction.
>> It does sound like the people wanting
chickens. [laughter]
Um,
» I guess we're at your mercy.
» Regardless, we can only approve up to
six.
>> We do have friends who really would like
our chickens, the four chickens, because
they lay eggs really well.
[clears throat]
Correct.
[clears throat]
» They're just talking
deliberations. You should give them a
few minutes.
>> Yes.
» [cough]
» So whatever we do tonight,
if you voted for it, if you voted
against it, it ends up
taking in
um what they either
notori
that's that's the moratorum is going to
be nine months
>> nine months right
>> I can't I can't remember was it a year
or six or nine I can't remember
>> I do so many I can't remember
>> it was a nine okay
>> the middle
>> so mortorium will be put in for nine
months and they'll do a study for it and
then after the nine months they'll
decide if they want keep it or adjust
it, tweak it.
But everything will be frost angles.
[snorts]
Well, they can still come back.
I think I think the issue is this. I'll
cut right to it. If you don't vote and
all three of you vote in favor for them
to keep up to six chickens, they'll have
to remove them because Kim's going to
take them. So,
>> yeah.
>> If the moratorum, which does the
moratorum passes or doesn't pass,
[clears throat]
>> it doesn't matter because if you if you
didn't vote to allow them to keep the
six chickens, they're still they're
still going to get tickets for them. If
the moratorum comes into place and they
and the town board decides, yes, this is
a great place for chickens, they can
come back and apply for it again. They
want to, but in the meantime, their
chickens will have to
go home to roost somewhere else.
>> Yes.
» We'll do a low vote.
I'll vote first. If anybody has
any comments on why they vote the way
they are, they'd like to explain it to
the people.
But I'm going to vote nay. No. Yeah. I
don't believe chickens are belong down
by the lake. I don't believe in an MR12.
I mean, do you two people look like
great? I'm sure you take very good care
of your chickens
in the summertime. That's a recreational
area and
people walk up and down roads and they
enjoy that area. It's highly dense.
That's the reason why I vote.
Unfortunately, I'm going to be voting no
as well.
I have nothing against freerange
chickens or chickens in the tractor.
I've seen it successfully done. Um, my
concern literally is just with the size
of the property and approximately where
the location of those chickens would be.
If it was not on the main intersection,
I think it would be different if it was
in the back side of the property.
Okay. [laughter]
Um the fact that the town
board
working on this too
pass
they go with it you
know
the chicken
>> I'm sorry [laughter] I wish you would
have done your homework.
Thank you.
[laughter]
[snorts]
>> You said you couldn't find the date.
>> No, I don't think Jeff Taylor is here
anyhow.
>> [laughter]
» What was that, sir?
» You're on You're on the agenda. Come
back next month.
>> Yes, I said.
>> Okay, we'll see you next month on your
garage. [snorts]
>> What day is that?
>> Um I believe that's six
>> first Tuesday.
Let me check. It's the
first Tuesday of April
>> at 6:45.
>> 6:45.
>> No, no, no public hearing.
>> No public hearing.
>> Sorry.
>> I'll be here.
>> 7. Yeah.
>> 7:00.
>> Thank you.
» Yeah. Gota have real
» should be in two weeks before the actual
[laughter]
>> understood. Okay. Uh the old business is
Jeff Taylor, but I don't believe he's
here.
>> I don't think he's here. Rick Myers, he
didn't show up.
>> He called.
>> Yeah. And as to be
>> the gentleman in the back with a hat on.
>> Sorry.
>> Rick will be here next month. He didn't
>> I was here for that tonight.
I was here for the tickets. [laughter]
>> Go make an offer.
>> They're for sale.
>> Rick's gonna be here next month. Talk.
Give us what information about
population density creating it.
>> Where are we going?
[laughter]
>> I should have never said anything about
your hair.
>> Yeah.
» All right. Can I have a motion close to
>> here?
All in favor?
>> Yeah.
» The three meetings.
So there's there's your