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life recording in progress.

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I'm in

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Someone's volume.

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David, do you want to turn off your volume?

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Commissioner Vaughan.

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Here. Commissioner Whitty.

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Here. Commissioner Barnes.

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Here. Commissioner Gordon.

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Commissioner Modo.

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Here. Commissioner Gross.

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Commissioner Shanahan.

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We have a forum.

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item is public comment, is there any member of the public comments or something that's not

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possible to become a person to apply it up to

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You have to comment on that.

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You might not.

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Just out of curiosity, are you here because you'd like to comment on the public on the

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plan update,

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just to hear you, sir, if you'd like to comment,

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okay, fair enough,

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in that

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The next item on the agenda is a approval of the minutes of our last meeting.

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Would somebody like to make it a motion to approve them?

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I'll make a motion for the minutes.

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Do we need a roll call for that time?

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Chairman Harper?

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Commissioner.

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Bon?

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I'm that brings us to the comprehensive plan update.

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Renee, are you going to introduce this?

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Yeah.

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We have Nora from Cushing Terrell here this evening.

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She's going to go through the presentation.

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We can ask questions talk about it.

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I'll let her lead the conversation.

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Is this on?

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Is that okay online?

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I think so.

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Is this on?

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It should automatically be on.

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Hmm.

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Can you hear me?

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Don't you seem very cute?

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Maybe I was just whispering.

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I think you have to speak quite closely to it for it to be effective.

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Got it.

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It's my screen sharing, though, on the Zoom and everything.

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Yeah, okay, great. All right.

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Well, that's not there nowadays.

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Okay, great.

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Thank you so much commissioners for having us tonight.

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This is a really exciting milestone in the comprehensive plan update,

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and we're thrilled to share where we've been so far with you.

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By way of agenda, we're going to talk a little bit about how the engagement process has been

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to date and then really just jump into the draft plan and all of its elements and then we'll

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open it up for questions and discussion. So the outreach process in summer 2024 we kicked this

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We found that we had a couple of gaps in terms of folks that we weren't reaching as well, so then we did a business survey and a renter survey.

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And then moving into fall and winter of last year, we had stakeholder group meetings and then committee meetings and updates to those committees and then updates to you all and council.

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And then the spring we did our speaker series, a pop up event really mostly to advertise our open house, our first open house event and then did another community survey that was really basically just a reflection of the open house event for folks who couldn't attend.

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Moving into this summer and fall, we did a kind of a priority survey at the Chile fest event which led into our next open house and then again an online activity to mirror the open house event and then here we are today updating you all.

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I want to highlight some changes that have been important as a part of this update to the 2012 Comprehensive Plan.

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It did have a concurrent development with the Transportation Plan that was adopted this year.

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So really carefully coordinating land use and transportation strategies.

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We have included an executive summary in this version that wasn't present before.

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We do have an implementation chapter with action items that are assigned a priority, a timeline, and then some strategic partners to help with that implementation that didn't exist in the previous plan.

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We have updated the opportunity areas, some were developed, others were not, new ones were added.

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And those are going to play a really important role in the town's economic future.

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And then there has been new state legislation since 2012.

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This document is digitally accessible.

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Water element is addressed throughout the plan and then sustainable growth is a part of the land use section of the plan.

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So, the vision, kind of, overall community vision is a community for all, so vibrant, inclusive community where all people are valued, diversity is celebrated and both residents and businesses are empowered to shape their shared future.

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And then we've kind of used this acronym throughout the plan to highlight the community values.

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So superior distinct town character, healthy and inaccessible environment, active and connected neighborhoods, prepared and resilient community, and then economic vibrancy.

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And I know this is a lot of words, so I'm happy to revisit this page.

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But I know there's some other priorities that we want to get to and we can come back to this one if we want to.

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So we've got these nine plan elements.

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Land use addresses the future land use map and designations, which we've discussed over time with you all.

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The opportunity areas and then character and built form.

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Community is really about the people population, cultural identity, engagement and town events.

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Economic development is about workforce, jobs, and the town's long-term fiscal sustainability.

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Housing, we talk about supply, affordability, and really what the need is.

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Sustainability addresses, greenhouse gases, water energy systems, and green building.

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Resiliency is more about that hazard mitigation and partnerships to be more prepared and resilient in the future.

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Parks recreation and open space talks about the existing network and amenities and how open space plays a role in the overall town.

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Town utilities and infrastructure.

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We talk about utilities, health and safety and ongoing maintenance and then transportation.

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Really a lot of high in the transportation plan.

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So we've got kind of three main elements of recommendations within each plan topic or plan

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element that make up really the meat of the comprehensive plan.

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Goals are more broad statements for achieving the vision.

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It's been represented really a set of guidelines that help you all and town council

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and town staff with decision-making.

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and then actions are a lot more detailed their steps taken by

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Departments or partner organizations to further implement the goals and policies.

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This is the future land use map with its land use designations. So we go from low density to medium density residential and then kind of move into mixed use, commercial and office, light industrial, civic and then we differentiate between open space, natural and open space recreation.

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And then parks in open space, which is kind of the more the most developed type of parks in open space.

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So the opportunity areas is probably where we're going to spend the most time to night.

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As you know, the town is almost entirely built out.

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And so these are areas of development or redevelopment that are truly critical to the town's future.

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And supporting diverse mix of land uses that helps with the town's bottom line and also supports the things that residents want to see in their community.

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So we're talking we're starting with 76 in Guardian as a background information.

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It's four parcels on 26 or to sorry 23 acres.

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It's mostly vacant right now, and in the 2012 comprehensive plan, the preferred land uses where

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light industrial or flecks or community-oriented uses or medium density residential.

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And, sorry, just as what you're expecting to see here, for each of these opportunity areas,

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we're going to talk about the background, what we heard from the community and then what

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Town staff and the consultants are recommending to include in the comprehensive plan for these areas.

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So what we heard from the community for preferred land uses was housing, low density,

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low density, multi-family, to medium density, multi-family units.

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Light industrial or neither scenario or no development.

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Our recommendation for primary land use is medium density to multi-family residential and

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light industrial uses, understanding that there are some approved expansion for the guardian storage that's there right now.

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And then supporting could be some kind of retail like a daycare facility.

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built form would be greater modified grid.

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The site kind of supports that type of block pattern.

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Partial sizes would be kind of medium size.

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And then building scale would be town homes to multi-family.

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And then up to two story for that light industrial.

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Their transit recommendations would be pedestrian connections

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to the park and ride.

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and then surface and or garage parking.

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Discovery office park is five parcels, 12.2 acres,

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existing land use is vacant and that commercial use.

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I just know that we've kind of approved some stuff for that lot already.

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Is that going to be shown in the plan or?

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It's not because it's still vacant but it is approved.

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So, but we don't have, what the zoning is approved for Guardian on that southern lot.

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But there's no development plan approved yet for it, so it's still included in this

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opportunity area.

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It is the annexed, so there's, we're not going to put anything in the, we are in the plan.

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We ensured that the buses built proposed, like the recommended uses include that

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light industrial and that it matches what was proposed as part of that approval. So it's

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not called out specifically as a developed parcel because it's not developed and the FDP's

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not approved yet, but the recommended uses support the uses and zoning that was during

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process when, yeah, it kind of pretends that nothing's been improved, but that's fine, I guess.

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Well, you know, some of the other lots also have approvals, but they're not developed yet.

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So the idea is that if it's not developed we're going to include it until it's developed or there's,

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you know, a clear development that's happening on there. I'm sure Guardian is moving forward.

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They have reached the end.

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And said when can, like, they're preparing documents to submit for the, they're final development plan.

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But can the recommended uses make sure that they call out the uses that were approved in that guardian PD?

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But it might be worth mentioning in the plan that this is something that a project is moving forward there.

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We couldn't, we couldn't.

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Even if it was just a comment that...

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Yeah, it got a story to occupy some of the spaces planning to expand.

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We couldn't take anything along the lines of the use that's been approved recently.

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that we believe to be moving forward. Maybe not call out specific ownership information because

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it feels weird in a comprehensive plan to do that. I mean it seems strange not to mention it.

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He does, yeah. Yes. Or you know like like something in the written portion.

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Oh yeah maybe just something that hey there is something that that goes along with these recommendations

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that's in the works. Because yeah, they can lose funding and then it won't be

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built. So, right. But according to this, it is an approved, like it does align with the

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comprehensive plan. Right. It's just not calling that one out in particular.

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we should put something in the plan to state that we have these things in the works at

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this time or not. That we're anticipating the construction of a light industrial use on

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other portion. Maybe we could look at how we would write something, how we would include that

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in the written, like, outdate the plan immediately. Right. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Correct. Right.

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Storm that. Okay.

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Discovery and vacant and a portion of this site is commercial,

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plan envisioned and makes abuses to complement town center, including but not limited to office

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and commercial community feedback preferred land uses were office and commercial housing in the form of town homes or multi family mixed use or neither scenario and no development and I I'll add a note here you're going to see neither scenario or no development on every single one of and I'm sure that's nothing new to you, but that was feedback that we got on the open house to survey was that we needed to include an option for

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for no development and obviously people,

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we'll select that option.

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Recommendations for and office,

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those office uses would be prioritized along discovery,

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Parkway, since there is no access off of McCaslin.

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Supporting uses being commercial,

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built form, the site is really only compatible

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with a curvilinear block pattern,

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our features and just the topography of the site.

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Partial size would be around medium, transit, pedestrian connection,

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prioritize to the main and gateway RTD stop, building scale could be town homes to

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multi-family, up to three stories, and then parking would be surface anger.

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Spirium Marketplace, 21 parcels, almost 90 acres, existing land uses business, the 2012

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Comprehensive Plan, Envision, Retail Services that help me the local and regional needs,

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high-density residential, may be considered where transit access and changing market conditions

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may present targeted infill or redevelopment opportunities.

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community feedback was for mixed use housing. I will say, I think this area got the most

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support for higher density housing from the community, retail and commercial, and then

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again, neither scenario or no development. Recommendation for the marketplace, primarily

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Burslor commercial and

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And residential above, with medium to high density residential. Supporting could be additional stand-alone

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commercial, understanding that this area is pretty overparked as of right now.

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Built form would be a grid, media, the RTD park and ride, multi-family building scale, looking

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at 25 to 35 dwelling units per acre.

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And then really a mix of structured and American ride

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is utilized and looked to a structured parking model

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if housing was introduced.

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Go ahead.

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I was just going to say, I'm surprised

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it doesn't say affordable housing.

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I mean, are we going to target saying

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because it's connected to RTD?

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I think it seems like a good spot

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for a affordable housing?

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I think we'll talk about the need for affordable housing

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in the housing chapter.

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We didn't call out affordable housing specifically in any of these

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land use recommendations.

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We do have the inclusionary housing ordinance that requires a certain

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percent of affordable housing no matter where residential

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development happens.

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So, and conceivable that affordable housing alone would go in one of these spots, but I don't

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specifically for this location.

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But I don't ask that question.

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We asked about the more about what it would look and feel like, unless about should affordable housing

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on another site, but I think that when you go to the housing section, it'll talk about

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where affordable housing proximity to what makes sense for affordable housing, and then

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you can parse together where that makes sense when it comes to residential uses.

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Presurably any housing development requirement for, is it 12 or 15% or affordable, anyways?

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So, asking for it to be all affordable, it's going to be there by definition.

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Yeah, I think that, I mean, we have the senior living all affordable housing.

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I would think that something similar could, especially since I think it's hard to get affordable housing into our more single family lots.

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I read through the plan last night as a shared email.

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How I interpreted us using the plan is seeing how the opportunity areas are addressed this way.

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And then when you get into the goals, priorities and actions, it actually talks about creating

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affordable housing opportunities within the things that we're overseeing in the future

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development.

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So it's almost saying, this is how the town sees this visually aesthetically design-wise

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and now we get to take the inner units of that and figure out how we make it sustainable

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for the town.

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So I hear what you're saying, but I almost think that the full 276 pages kind of helps

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you add A and B together to create C, just I had the same thought and that's kind of how I almost

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read it, just sharing.

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A practical question which is, how high does a building that's 25 to 35 dwelling units per

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acre have to be?

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It depends on the size of the parcel.

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Oh yes, but I mean, if you want to put 25 dwelling units on an acre, is that a three-story

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building or a full story building, it's probably more than a one story building.

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Yes.

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Uh, yeah.

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I would probably need to do some calculations and get back to you on that.

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Sorry.

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I didn't hear that.

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Oh, I just said I'd probably probably need to follow up with you on that and do some base

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level calculations.

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Just off the top of my head, structural engineer.

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Light framing only goes for stories.

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So typically, they'll either cap it at four stories

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because it gets much more expensive if you go out of light framing

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and then sometimes they'll...

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Public concrete podium at the bottom and then four stories on top. So I would think five stories would be, if it's mixed use of four stories, if it was.

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I think particularly in the marketplace, that's an area that ought to be, that's an issue. I mean, I think I haven't read the 272 pages yet, but I think one of the things that we ought to address in the strategic, in the comprehensive plan is what kind of height buildings we are going to permit there,

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because it's already, I mean, the existing FDP or PD1 of them has a height limit in it,

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which I think is 42 feet, actually. And that was when that was implemented back in 2001 or

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whatever they were doing, the market plan. That was designed to preserve views. And was one of

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the trade-offs that was made at the time. So I mean, after that, there was also quite a lot of work

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on the north, on this area, on the northwest development plan, which you will not, at least

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so far, haven't referred to, and some of that I think ought to be integrated into this.

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I mean, I think one of the things here is, if the goal is to, if one of the goals is to give developers

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As some idea of what we would like to see here, then I think we have to say things like,

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okay, we're going to allow 200 units here, or we're going to allow 600 units here.

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Because what happened, I think in 2020 is, we got two proposals at the same time.

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We got one from Boulder County Housing Authority for about 240 units, and another from the company called Confluent for 400 units.

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and they came in at the same time.

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I mean, this was just a start of a fire.

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So that right, it must be just a start of a fire.

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I don't think there was any enthusiasm for building 640 units

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on this site, but at least you say something about that up front.

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The time you have to address it is when the development proposal

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comes through.

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And I would much rather have some guidelines in place first

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so that we can point it and say,

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know, we thought about that in the comprehensive plan, you know, we're happy to have 200,

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we're happy to have 300, we're happy to have 400.

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Whatever the number is, just some idea of what you can build there because if you took all

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that parking area and turned it into a apartment buildings, that'd be a huge number there.

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Well, I do think that there would still need to be appropriate parking for the existing commercial

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uses, would it be helpful if we included up to blank story? Is that where the push point is

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or is it more of a carrying capacity? I think there will be two push points from people who live

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certainly from people who live in the area, because one will be the height and the other will be

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the number of units. Sure. So I think to elaborate on all this, I also came away that these

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particular pages would be a great spot to talk about what we think the preferred housing

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should be there.

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You know, I know also the other category, senior, missing middle.

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I mean, I think we really have to think that through a little bit if we're going to try to

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achieve all those goals.

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And it's like this one, for instance, this could even probably put senior housing there

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as well.

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But just as maybe under primary, listen, we think is the perhaps best solution for that area.

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And, and we could perhaps call this planning commission, thoughts or opinions.

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We've got the public's feedback in there.

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We could put a category in there for what, how the planning commission sees it kind of in the

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priority.

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Yeah, it gives, it would help, I think, as the council reviews this, but also the public

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reviewing this.

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They're probably not going to read the whole thing, but these are really nice summary pages

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that we can, you know, you can perhaps even put these in executive summary, be a long

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executive summary, but these are kind of the me to the compound in my view.

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So I think the big picture detail we could put in here, I think it would be just make it more valuable.

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Yep. Okay.

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Moving on to original town, just north of where we are, eight parcels,

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two and a half acres. It is currently vacant and commercial.

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2012 envisioned a mix of medium density residential and office or a potential for community oriented uses.

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What we heard from the community was preference for housing in the form of town homes, small lot single family or medium density residential.

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Make use commercial office or neither scenario and no development recommended primary land use here would be mixed use with kind of a preference for neighborhood scale commercial with residential above, whether that be above like vertical mixed use or more of a horizontal mixed use.

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Prioritizing the commercial uses along the Kazzlin, supporting uses could be office,

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understanding that that's a hard market right now. Block pattern would be grid to

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connect to this greater neighborhood, small to small to medium personal size with three

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transit stops within a quarter mile, building scale, again, vertical or horizontal mixed use

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kind of town homes to multi-family for that residential up to three stories and then parking could look like

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surface tuck under or garages.

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Does the town own any of that space today? I'm thinking primarily

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of just the lots that are immediately opposite town hall.

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Yes, we own everything south of the

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Philip 66 on the, on that block side. North, North of Cole Creek and East of first.

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So yep, that whole air, that whole thing, southern portion is owned by the town.

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So basically it's up to the town to decide what it wants to do there.

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I think it might, I mean, I don't know how many people actually know that that is owned by the town,

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but I think it might be worth pointing that out because it clearly gives the town more flexibility in what it can do.

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Maybe we want to put civic on here if the town owns it.

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I think office is what that was, I think office fits into civic uses within that, because there's another, once we get to town 15, that's another consideration, is for town offices, right, like an expansion of town offices or what, what was, what did you envision for civic?

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I mean that would mean if we wanted to put a library there or we could put it.

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Yeah.

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Anything.

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I'm not saying we should build a library there.

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I'm just saying that it might not be offices, but I don't think we would want like

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a maintenance facility there either, so Civic sounds more building it.

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Well, I mean, it occurs to me that the town staff is spread out all over town.

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That's the perfect area to try to make an enlarged town hall for offices.

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Well, anyway, down around in here, I know it was kind of mentioned for town 15, maybe there, but I think this seems to be the next part.

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More concentrated, if it's going to be done.

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And I actually kind of go along.

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I think these are some issues, maybe we should perhaps raise and throw out in there for discussion.

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I mean,

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overall, I think the more direction you can give to this, the better from the point

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of view of the plant because it will help everybody to understand what the limits are, whereas

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if it just says things like mixed use, neighborhood, commercial, I mean, the kind of descriptions

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that you have out there at the moment, which are sort of fine for an executive summary,

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don't really give too much guidance about what we'd like to see there.

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I don't know how it's difficult to do, but I think the more guidance we can provide about the

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plan will be, actually.

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I really like the pictures though.

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Yeah, I think they'll go ahead.

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Oh, just one comment.

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Anne is trying to, I gave her the log-in.

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She was having trouble getting it.

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So she's listening on YouTube.

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Oh, I don't know if there she is.

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We just got out.

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We just got out.

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Oh, come on.

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Very good.

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Very good.

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Yeah.

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I would say, at this stage, the most...

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We're attempting to provide direction while providing a level and changing conditions and which developers

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are ready to purchase at what time so that it's almost immediately outdated and you feel like you

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have to amend it constantly or revisit it again at a sooner date. That said, I do think there's

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a lot more detail in the Witten document for each of these opportunity areas.

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So we can continue to refine that and provide more detail as the adoption process continues.

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Over to you.

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Okay.

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Town 15, everyone's favorite parcel.

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15 acres.

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The 2012 Comprehensive Plan Envisioned Commercial and Office or Community Oriented

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uses, preferred land uses from the community are parks and open space, recreation or community

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amenities, town offices housing in the form of single family to town homes and neither

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scenario or no development.

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Recommendation here is the primary land use B recreation with supporting land uses potentially

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being housing open space, park space, or offices, prioritize for, for town office space.

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Block pattern would be a modified grid, which is what the parcel shape really supports.

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Parts will size, I'll clarify here, the idea would be a large parcel size for those recreation

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uses, but likely a much smaller size for any potential residential use.

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building scale for recreation facility up to two stories and then for residential would be from

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single family up to town homes between five to 15 dwelling units per acre. Not really any

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any transit connections present and then parking could look like surface parking or attached

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scratches.

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I have a feeling that enough has been said about town 15 over the last few months. Keep us going.

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Okay. All right. Sounds good.

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Zahari is?

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I mean, if you're ever coming to talk to me.

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Actually, I'm wondering what I was thinking is once Norris finished me, we go back and go through

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each of the opportunity areas and see what kind of thoughts we have.

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Just yeah, I think you'd be a good idea to put a category there.

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Sure.

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for planning commission feedback or thoughts.

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That sounds like a good idea.

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It's a good idea.

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All right.

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We'll see that.

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The area says one parcel, just over 23 acres.

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It is vacant.

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The 2012 comprehensive plan saw a mix of commercial office

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and moderate intensity residential,

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like patio homes and senior housing.

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A portion could be considered for open space.

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I will caveat that in 2012, I think the interchange at 88th and 36th was still a consideration.

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And so moving forward, we really don't see commercial or office being viable on this site.

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So, preferred land use is from the community where parks in open space, housing from low to medium density,

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commercial mixed use, or neither scenario nor development, recommendations for the primary

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used to be medium density residential, with supporting some lower density curvilinear block

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pattern, which is really the only option for the site, parcel size would be kind of small

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to medium, building scale from town home to multi family between 15 and 20 dwelling units per acre,

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and then making sure there's just good multi-modal connections to the rock creek and 88s,

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transit stop, parking could be surface and then attached to garages for a town home development.

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I think you should change out that multifamily residential picture.

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I don't think you should use one that's five stories I.

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Okay.

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Sorry what did you say?

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Five stories on that shirt below.

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I don't think anyone's going to show the people with a view right now.

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I'm not going to appreciate that picture.

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That's...

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I think, I mean, in the time...

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We have received a statement on the plan and commission. There have been three different

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development proposals for residential on that property, all of which have been turned down by the town,

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which brings me to a question, but really for a nay. Would the town consider resounding this,

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when else a development proposal, or would it just leave it the same?

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Well we won't reason it. The future developer will have to reason it. Part of why it's been

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harder to develop is because of the recommended uses from the previous comprehensive

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plan and I don't know the the desires of Council to go against that plan as well as community

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feedback related to the proposed developments that we had during the times that we had them.

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I also think that as a part of this comprehensive plan update in the engagement that we've been

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doing. It's been really important to discuss trade-offs with the community, so understanding

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where we're not going to get commercial on all of these properties. We're also not going

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to get no development on all of these properties, but the balance is what's really important

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for the fiscal sustainability of the town's future and for complete neighborhoods and for places

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where people do want to continue to live and work and play and so I think whereas before there

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might have been strong opposition to residential on this property, I think what I've heard

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throughout the process is that there's people are much more open to it, particularly considering

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that it's truly surrounded by that type of use and then making sure that we're accounting for

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or the drainage pond and wildlife corridors and things like that.

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Last one, Resilute.

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Five parcels, under six acres, it is vacant.

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The 2012 Comprehensive Plan saw commercial office

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or retail uses, including a hotel here.

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Community preferred hotel retail commercial housing

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from medium to high density, parks in open space, and neither scenario, no development.

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The recommendation here is for primary land use mixed use with hotel and commercial, with

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supporting medium to high density residential, modified grid block pattern, medium to large

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parcel size. It does have close proximity to several transit stops within a quarter mile

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building scale up to six stories and then a mix of surface and structured parking.

455
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:27,050
We do think that this is if you're going to get a hotel in superior or this is the spot.

456
00:43:28,780 --> 00:43:39,100
just based on access and none of the other sites really lend themselves to well to hotel uses

457
00:43:39,100 --> 00:43:46,640
and or they've attempted that in the past and gotten no bites from hotel carriers.

458
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:54,060
And we've had concept plans for that over the years.

459
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:59,420
I mean, I've got how long ago it was, but there was a concept plan that was going to build a hotel

460
00:43:59,420 --> 00:44:01,960
with residential and retail part of it,

461
00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:04,940
but I think it went away and never came back, isn't it?

462
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:14,440
Yeah, we've had several renditions of concept plans that included a hotel

463
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,120
of some sort with residential,

464
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,540
which is kind of what residents have said

465
00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:25,820
that they would like to see here.

466
00:44:25,820 --> 00:44:37,560
And the economic development manager agrees that it's a good site for it if we could make it happen.

467
00:44:37,820 --> 00:44:38,480
I don't know.

468
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,240
But we'll see what happens.

469
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:46,720
In your opinion, is it actually a good site for a hotel?

470
00:44:46,980 --> 00:44:54,140
I mean, it's right on the corner of Colson and West Plata Island or whatever the street there is that comes into the mall.

471
00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:59,960
Yeah, I do think it could work for a hotel. I think hotels these days are

472
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,220
Being really strategic about where they locate and there is a concentration closer to the Flatiron's

473
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:14,540
area area that you might just need the right, who doesn't have a presence here yet, and sees

474
00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:20,920
the benefit of the future development in Louisville and these things like that.

475
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:27,100
These uses would also require a zoning change for this parcel as well.

476
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:33,340
So any development will have to change the zoning.

477
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:34,460
Yes.

478
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:42,580
As I mentioned earlier, there is an implementation.

479
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:48,780
So action items which were not included in the 2012 comprehensive plan are now included.

480
00:45:49,500 --> 00:45:51,880
And they are assigned a priority level.

481
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:58,900
those are critical vital and desirable, a time frame on going, which is as needed, or it

482
00:45:58,900 --> 00:46:04,920
is just the nature of the action is ongoing. Short term is zero to three years, medium term

483
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:12,640
three to five, and then long term is over five years. And then potential partners, they have,

484
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:20,380
they all have their own acronyms in the plan with a kind of a cheat sheet for those, and

485
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:26,540
disabled or county open space or C. dot. So an example just to kind of show you the framework

486
00:46:26,540 --> 00:46:29,460
is an action would be using projects.

487
00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:36,980
It's a critical priority level medium term time frame

488
00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:41,960
and then partners could be the housing authority or CHAPA.

489
00:46:44,710 --> 00:46:47,990
Talking about next steps so the staff

490
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:58,230
draft review period is from today through January 2nd. We'll be online probably around that January 15th date.

491
00:46:59,230 --> 00:47:04,430
Potentially if we're going to stick with this schedule, come back to you all on January 20th.

492
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:16,390
For a recommendation to town council and then we would have an updated town council on February 9th with potential adoption in later February.

493
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:26,410
So I'll stop there and if we have comments on the next steps, we can talk about those and then we can cycle back through opportunity areas.

494
00:47:26,930 --> 00:47:33,710
I've got a couple questions from just what was said just a second ago.

495
00:47:35,050 --> 00:47:42,830
I don't know if I thought that Renee said that the last property that was not aligned with how it's zoned right now.

496
00:47:42,830 --> 00:47:46,670
And that seems like disjointed to me.

497
00:47:46,770 --> 00:47:51,390
If we're going to propose a different use for the property,

498
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:54,430
are we going to also propose that we change the zoning?

499
00:47:54,990 --> 00:47:57,550
So it's easier for someone to do that.

500
00:47:57,570 --> 00:48:00,990
Instead of making them come in and request to have the zoning change,

501
00:48:01,190 --> 00:48:04,090
why wouldn't we change the zoning in advance

502
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:06,290
if we think that's the right use of the property?

503
00:48:07,690 --> 00:48:10,050
The town doesn't initiate zoning changes.

504
00:48:11,110 --> 00:48:16,510
So, as a loop parcel is zoned commercial use right now.

505
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:25,370
It's part of the raw creek plant development, and its zoning is a regional activity center.

506
00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:32,010
So, the uses that are permitted by right include mostly commercial uses.

507
00:48:33,350 --> 00:48:41,730
The uses that are recommended as part of this comprehensive plan include uses that are allowed

508
00:48:41,730 --> 00:48:44,450
by right there as well as additional uses.

509
00:48:46,290 --> 00:48:54,750
And then with a development, the developer will come and if they're not building commercial

510
00:48:55,290 --> 00:49:00,710
in accordance with the RAC, they would rezone the property to something else.

511
00:49:00,710 --> 00:49:05,190
That meets the needs of the development that they're proposing at the time.

512
00:49:05,830 --> 00:49:08,010
Okay, so we don't think this is a debtor.

513
00:49:08,330 --> 00:49:10,410
We don't, again, I don't know the development committee.

514
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:17,110
This doesn't stop someone because it's not zone correctly telling it in the plan in our comprehensive plan.

515
00:49:17,690 --> 00:49:22,790
Tell them that we'd like them to do this, so that kind of gives them that that thought processor.

516
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:31,230
The zoning of parcels isn't necessarily considered as part of the comprehensive planning process.

517
00:49:31,950 --> 00:49:39,710
Lots of these properties that are in opportunity areas are owned for other uses other than what.

518
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,160
We're recommending as part of the comprehensive plan update, and part of the reason why they are still

519
00:50:07,620 --> 00:50:12,480
undeveloped. Sometimes, in some of the circumstances, is because of the way they are currently

520
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:20,920
zoned, the plan recommended uses. So, for the areas like we were just talking about is also

521
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:29,820
zone, Regional Activity Center, similar, it's a herrious and resolute, both have the same

522
00:50:29,820 --> 00:50:38,980
RAC zoning and their preferred uses in the comprehensive plan.

523
00:50:40,820 --> 00:50:47,480
Talk about uses that may or may not work on those properties today, and so the purpose of

524
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,480
the comprehensive plan, future land use map, is not to look at how there's

525
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,220
about how they potentially could be developed.

526
00:50:56,700 --> 00:50:57,200
Okay.

527
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:57,380
Okay.

528
00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:58,920
So I should ignore the zoning basis.

529
00:50:58,980 --> 00:51:00,640
Ignore the zoning, yes.

530
00:51:00,700 --> 00:51:01,160
Okay.

531
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:01,620
Got it.

532
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,640
I do have questions about the beginning of the report.

533
00:51:04,900 --> 00:51:07,000
But I'll wait till we're done here.

534
00:51:07,420 --> 00:51:08,700
So that's those.

535
00:51:11,130 --> 00:51:12,870
So back on the schedule here.

536
00:51:13,550 --> 00:51:18,950
So basically, the January 20th planning commission meeting will be the best opportunity

537
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:23,610
for the public to kind of comment on the complaint with the draft complaint.

538
00:51:23,610 --> 00:51:35,750
The public draft is going to be released for public comment in mid January, so right now you have the draft plan and staff has the draft plan.

539
00:51:36,450 --> 00:51:53,470
We haven't provided comments on the draft plan and our comments are going to be due that first week of January and then they'll be working really hard and really fast to revise the drafts in time to get it out for public review and public comment.

540
00:51:55,010 --> 00:52:23,450
And advance, I'm not sure we'll probably have the Planning Commission recommendation draft match pretty closely to that public draft that's out in mid January for feedback, and then we'll take all of the comments from the public draft that is available for feedback online and the one we bring to the Planning Commission to create.

541
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:28,730
a final draft that we bring to the council in February if that makes sense.

542
00:52:28,730 --> 00:52:33,490
So you were only giving the public maybe a month to comment?

543
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:35,510
Yes.

544
00:52:37,490 --> 00:52:38,770
They'll have a couple.

545
00:52:39,430 --> 00:52:43,470
They'll have like two to three weeks, two weeks in January.

546
00:52:45,690 --> 00:52:48,090
And then that's before.

547
00:52:48,090 --> 00:53:01,570
But Council will, during Council hearings, they can continue to, yes, exactly, so they'll have a chance to make comments in advance of Council hearings that we can incorporate into the Council final draft.

548
00:53:02,170 --> 00:53:10,510
And then they'll have continued opportunities to comment as we go through the council process.

549
00:53:12,450 --> 00:53:20,750
I mean, so I'm just sorry for clarification. The public will see this in mid-January.

550
00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:27,190
They can comment, we can make a recommendation on the 20th. They can keep commenting.

551
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:32,710
At what point can they do they actually have to stop commenting every the 9th?

552
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,560
No, that's, that's, I mean that's a public hearing on the 9th.

553
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:46,540
So it's this is where we are now and we will report on what we've heard up until the

554
00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:53,980
ninth to town council and then after that I think we could I mean we can we haven't discussed

555
00:53:53,980 --> 00:54:00,140
like at the end of the public comment period and when at that point we close it out I think

556
00:54:00,140 --> 00:54:06,320
that's why it says late February for an actual adoption so that we can make sure that we hear

557
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,480
from Town Council before we set that date,

558
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,440
and we make sure that we've given the public enough time

559
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,440
and that they feel comfortable with moving forward

560
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,100
with the plan.

561
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:21,500
Yes, that's not three public meetings to comment on it.

562
00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:25,100
So, I've got a little over a month, that's not too bad.

563
00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:28,240
The three public meetings seems pretty good.

564
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,400
And how are you guys radicalized to the public

565
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,940
that it's actually out there for them to look at?

566
00:54:36,290 --> 00:54:45,150
It'll be on shapes of hair year, and then we'll send out the notices both in the January

567
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,440
Sentinel is at the monthly one

568
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,960
The newsletters all all of the ways that we have

569
00:55:10,700 --> 00:55:29,980
We've had some discussions with Nora and her team on what the common weather is going to be open ended, or we'll ask, you know, for feedback on chapter by chapter, or how we want to solicit feedback,

570
00:55:29,980 --> 00:55:36,260
but it'll all be through the shape superior web page.

571
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,260
Does this influence the newspapers, the superior Sentinel?

572
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,420
Yes.

573
00:55:42,780 --> 00:55:45,120
Does that come out during that period?

574
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,820
Is it the Sentinel, the monthly one?

575
00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:52,060
Yeah, that's the monthly deal.

576
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:58,200
So that will have a notice in there.

577
00:55:58,940 --> 00:56:01,260
What's the people one called?

578
00:56:01,980 --> 00:56:04,380
Oh, hello, superior, and it comes out only three.

579
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:05,800
Quarterly?

580
00:56:08,250 --> 00:56:08,290
That's quarterly.

581
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:11,450
Like, I must admit, it's an age-related factor.

582
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:13,370
I'm better at looking at things on paper,

583
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:15,550
but looking at things online.

584
00:56:16,050 --> 00:56:18,590
Hello, I think hello, superior supposed to come out

585
00:56:18,590 --> 00:56:21,630
at the end of the year, so we might be able to get it in there.

586
00:56:21,790 --> 00:56:25,590
In the Hello Superior, for the end of the year, we have, like,

587
00:56:25,590 --> 00:56:36,330
We had, look at Shapes Superior for details when you can review the draft comprehensive plan

588
00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:42,370
because we weren't sure exactly when it was going to be available, but we do have a blurb

589
00:56:42,370 --> 00:56:50,750
in there telling people that the draft is coming. It may be here. You should go to Shapes Superior

590
00:56:50,750 --> 00:56:55,430
and look to see when the comment period is.

591
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:57,400
Okay.

592
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,380
I will say too that we've been collecting

593
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,660
contact information for everybody that's been involved

594
00:57:04,660 --> 00:57:09,060
in the process so far and therefore we'll send out

595
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:10,440
what's called a newsletter.

596
00:57:11,140 --> 00:57:13,620
It's just through the shape superior platform,

597
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,780
but it sends an email to everybody that's signed up for updates

598
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:21,480
that the draft plan is available and here's how you can

599
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:26,320
participate, these are the public meetings, you can participate online and all of that.

600
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:33,440
And I think at one point Renee said you'd be visiting the other town committees with chapters

601
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,460
that have impacted them, would you have been getting, did you do that, if you've got comments

602
00:57:38,460 --> 00:57:39,380
back from that?

603
00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:47,400
We did that not with the actual draft plan draft chapters, but with the recommendations and

604
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,220
actions for the those chapters.

605
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:51,720
Okay.

606
00:57:54,900 --> 00:57:56,140
Did you get a lot of comments?

607
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:57,760
Yes.

608
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:02,720
Okay.

609
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:05,040
What was it that you were...

610
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,240
I thought it'd be good to go back to the opportunity areas

611
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:10,980
and maybe just chat about those in a little bit more detail.

612
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:11,400
Sure.

613
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,020
I had some comments, but then really I thought it'd be best to hear in the world.

614
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,060
Make the whole presentation.

615
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:26,980
Do we want to go with this kind of recommendations for each one, because we have the background community input

616
00:58:26,980 --> 00:58:33,340
and then this is kind of the meat of what the plan is recommending, if we want to do that page.

617
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:41,540
For this one, this is sort of like for here, if this is community feedback, maybe on the same page, you could be feedback,

618
00:58:41,540 --> 00:58:46,680
You have one part as community one part's planning commission. Oh, I see something like that

619
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,480
It's just distinguishing

620
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:57,800
Continue to capture the community feedback, but you know the planning commission perhaps use things from a different vantage point might have different thoughts or comments sure

621
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,220
I'm sure we will actually

622
00:58:59,940 --> 00:59:05,640
Yeah, is somebody taking notes. I am suing. I'm taking note. Okay, great

623
00:59:07,340 --> 00:59:11,240
And it's recorded so we go back and listen also

624
00:59:12,940 --> 00:59:16,020
I mean, we are actually thinking within the report.

625
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:17,680
It would be on its phones separately.

626
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:23,300
It was covered in the most coming from, well, I mean, it is two sources of feedback.

627
00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:29,340
So if there's different ideas or thoughts, like, for instance, here, I would say, you know,

628
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:36,960
this could be an area for, you know, west of Costco could be a multi-storey building that

629
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,120
it could be for affordable housing or senior housing.

630
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:42,180
You know, it's closed to RTD.

631
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,980
I don't know, I don't, I think, I just kind of general thought.

632
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,080
Nora, how do you, sorry.

633
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,920
I'm thinking about what you're asking.

634
00:59:53,820 --> 00:59:55,740
And what I'm asking, the way I'm thinking.

635
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:57,640
I mean, we're, let's see, affordable housing.

636
00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:59,960
We're like these spots for it to get.

637
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,980
On you, you're like, oh, sorry, thanks, Steve. Back to where are the most likely spots for affordable housing to go? And it's probably close to RTD. So this is one of the opportunity areas. We have this, we have the marketplace, and we have the old the RTD site. Perhaps the, well, Shucks, the resolute property, possibly, but at least these three. So it seems like we should, if we all agree, or we probably want to all agree, but I'd say there'd be something to throw out there.

638
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:30,800
consideration.

639
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:39,520
Do you normally include affordable housing as a land use in

640
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,080
comprehensive plans or do you talk about it as part of the housing chapter and

641
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,680
then we relate that I don't I mean I don't know best practices for comprehensive

642
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:55,740
plan. We've done both so a strategy that we could consider here and it sounds like

643
01:00:55,740 --> 01:01:02,500
That's an interest of the commission is that we, it's not necessarily in a signed land use.

644
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:10,680
It's an identified opportunity of these are, these are priority sites for affordable housing, right?

645
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:16,720
Because we're already, we're already recommending medium to multi-family residential on the site.

646
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:21,340
So if we're, you know, affordable housing would be allowed in that.

647
01:01:21,340 --> 01:01:27,080
But if we're saying, this, the town's priority for affordable housing is on these

648
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:34,020
excellent of number of sites based on their proximity to transit, the affordability, and

649
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:38,440
that there's so many factors that go into that, like, is a developer going to be able to

650
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:43,500
afford the land to develop it as affordable housing and can you get the density and is it

651
01:01:43,500 --> 01:01:49,700
supported by the community? And so I think that's definitely something that we can

652
01:01:49,700 --> 01:01:53,280
explore and I agree with you about the sites that you've identified.

653
01:01:54,060 --> 01:01:59,100
And along those options, like we've talked about the housing challenges, like the missing

654
01:01:59,100 --> 01:02:03,380
middle, senior housing. I mean, the same thing, this is kind of a good spot for that.

655
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:05,540
That's

656
01:02:05,540 --> 01:02:10,940
that's really prime property. It's out near the open space. It's large enough to put a number

657
01:02:10,940 --> 01:02:16,860
of single family homes there. And the other thing, I'm mentioning all this is, of course,

658
01:02:16,860 --> 01:02:20,660
we've had a proposal, one developer, one to put apartments there.

659
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,140
So I don't know, that raises the question, how many apartments should we have

660
01:02:26,140 --> 01:02:26,620
in superior?

661
01:02:27,340 --> 01:02:29,600
We've got a whole bunch coming on line down town.

662
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:36,300
And again, Marketplace, RTD, we're probably also spending things built there.

663
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:37,380
Those will also be apartments.

664
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,680
So kind of like, OK, well, do we need more apartments here?

665
01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:46,840
We're taking away from basically single family, but

666
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,380
for sale housing, which we've identified as a need for

667
01:02:50,380 --> 01:02:55,140
a superior in particular, as low as a lowest cost is possible,

668
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:58,040
which will be a big challenge.

669
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,660
May I ask, so the document itself, it does include a lot of those things,

670
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:10,900
but they're in separate pieces, and I want this document to be evergreen,

671
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,580
and took us two years to build it, and we're supposed to do it every 10 years,

672
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,000
and 12 years since Veli did the last one,

673
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:22,740
Does it make sense to have the document itself and then have the commission's position statements based on the document?

674
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:27,680
And I don't mean to make another document, but that's how commissions often do like, you know,

675
01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:35,480
Well, they'll say, hey, there's the guiding document, and then this is our position on it, seeing kind of the things as they lay. Is that kind of what you're seeing in this?

676
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:40,340
Well, that occurred to me. Another way to do this would be if we had a separate document.

677
01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:46,880
Here's here's the planning commissions view of this or thoughts and recommendations or why they supported something

678
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:52,520
They're not supported something kind of tackling each of the opportunity areas that could be a separate document that of course

679
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:54,000
We're nay would volunteer to draft

680
01:03:55,060 --> 01:04:02,480
No, I don't know the answer, but I mean, I think some place we should capture as David was saying before a little bit more detail

681
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:06,580
Dropped down a little bit is what we think the sites might be

682
01:04:06,580 --> 01:04:13,820
That's the suited for it, and again, now the other thing in all this is we might think these are good ideas, but what's the market good to say?

683
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:31,640
Right, and maybe another opportunity to avoid future amendments to the map would be to identify the highest priority properties for affordable housing in those strategies and actions in the in the actual

684
01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:38,800
land use section of the plan. So we have obviously goals and strategies and actions about

685
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:43,940
creating diversity of housing and affordability and all of that. And so we could just

686
01:04:43,940 --> 01:04:51,320
tack on to one of our strategies that says provide the town should incentivize affordable housing

687
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:59,460
particularly on x, y, and z sites. I don't think we were thinking about this. I'm doubtful about

688
01:04:59,460 --> 01:04:59,960
having...

689
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:15,880
In a separate planning commission, because the comprehensive plan is supposed to be a planning commission plan, actually. So, to write a planning commission document, to write a comprehensive plan document, and then say the planning commission thinks something different.

690
01:05:16,780 --> 01:05:21,100
Is in some sense contradictory, because it's actually our plan.

691
01:05:23,620 --> 01:05:50,420
I think if you wanted to go, I think it was the way, if you wanted to say, okay, this is the primary use here as medium density to multi-family residential, and say that's what we're expecting a developer to provide and then say, as a sort of addition to that, we think that this would be a very useful because of its location.

692
01:05:50,420 --> 01:05:59,300
close to an RTD station, this would be a very good location for affordable housing or senior housing

693
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:05,180
in particular. I think something like that, but I don't think you can lock the developer,

694
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:11,400
I mean if it's a developer. Oh no, now we've already got a developer proposal on this site, actually.

695
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:18,960
I don't think you can try and lock the developer, I guess we could. Well I think I'm not

696
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:25,780
So I favor trying to lock developers into particular kinds of development through the comprehensive platform.

697
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:33,160
Well, certainly the one thing there that kind of cries out for me is rental units versus for sale units.

698
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,580
I mean, what's best for the town?

699
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:47,440
And if for some reason we decide to, we've got enough apartments in any more, then when we want to make a recommendation for for sale housing, not apartments.

700
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:55,860
Again, who knows what'll happen if I mean, no, I don't think I want to personally, I want to be in the business of making that decision.

701
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,740
The market will dictate a lot of that.

702
01:06:58,740 --> 01:06:59,840
That's a market decision.

703
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,480
Yeah, but I mean, for sale units would fit into this, right?

704
01:07:04,500 --> 01:07:09,620
If we're talking medium density, you could be talking about town homes, so that's not written out.

705
01:07:09,620 --> 01:07:18,180
the purpose of being vague in a sense, but providing direction, but not

706
01:07:19,380 --> 01:07:26,180
hamstringing anyone into anything in particular is too allow the market to adjust in

707
01:07:26,180 --> 01:07:34,140
react and then, but still providing what the town thinks is best, what makes sense for the parcel

708
01:07:34,140 --> 01:07:41,360
where it's situated, and how it's configured, and then explaining what the community has

709
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:41,760
desired.

710
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:42,940
That's really...

711
01:07:42,940 --> 01:07:49,000
I'm thinking steering, and again, we're just making a recommendation, and it's really

712
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:53,140
town council, and then future developers, but if we can kind of steer things of a certain

713
01:07:53,140 --> 01:07:58,800
direction, that we think's the best for the town, I think we should try to do that.

714
01:08:01,010 --> 01:08:03,390
I'd like to jump in here.

715
01:08:03,730 --> 01:08:08,290
So, Nora, I actually like your idea, your suggestion of calling out

716
01:08:08,290 --> 01:08:12,090
these properties would be appropriate

717
01:08:12,090 --> 01:08:15,950
or affordable housing, or senior housing,

718
01:08:16,330 --> 01:08:18,630
or missing middle, that kind of stuff.

719
01:08:19,210 --> 01:08:22,070
And I really think resolute,

720
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:25,050
while it would be lovely to have a hotel,

721
01:08:25,190 --> 01:08:27,390
and I'm not saying I would turn that down,

722
01:08:27,390 --> 01:08:32,010
but if we don't, but that would actually be a great location,

723
01:08:32,170 --> 01:08:33,870
I think, for affordable housing.

724
01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:37,850
Because it is on transportation.

725
01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:42,130
It is close to retail.

726
01:08:42,290 --> 01:08:44,850
It's close to other residential.

727
01:08:46,370 --> 01:08:47,770
It checks a lot of boxes.

728
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,450
And I don't think we'd get a lot of pushback

729
01:08:52,450 --> 01:08:57,110
from residents about putting affordable housing

730
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:59,110
on that, on that parcel.

731
01:09:08,540 --> 01:09:15,100
I guess I think if a developer comes forward with a plan to do that, we need to make sure

732
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:24,100
that the comprehensive plan isn't hindrance in terms of what it's allowed, what's allowed

733
01:09:24,100 --> 01:09:25,380
to be built by.

734
01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:28,680
And I don't think it is.

735
01:09:29,270 --> 01:09:34,090
I mean, we're talking about a six acre, five parcels and six acres.

736
01:09:34,090 --> 01:09:41,730
So we're not saying the entire thing needs to be a hotel or commercial or residential, right?

737
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:48,150
Like it's I think the primary use is mixed use and that could look like hotel and commercial

738
01:09:48,150 --> 01:09:55,970
and maybe something that we can add in here is commercial and residential as a part of that mixed use idea.

739
01:09:55,970 --> 01:09:59,950
I think the towns.

740
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,300
Economic development goals really want a hotel in the community. And so this was the one that made

741
01:10:09,300 --> 01:10:15,860
the most sense. So we didn't want to we wanted to highlight it as as an opportunity for a hotel

742
01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:21,640
use, but I think I think this could be an opportunity for affordable housing. I agree.

743
01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:29,350
Could we potentially accomplish? I'm looking at page 124 housing goal to support and promote local

744
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:34,450
regional affordable housing efforts. Could we simply just say under age 2.1, which is support

745
01:10:34,450 --> 01:10:39,030
existing and create new partnerships to address affordable housing needs or even 2.2, which

746
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:43,590
is create an incentive program in parent with the 2020 inclusionary housing ordinance to promote

747
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:49,710
the creation of affordable housing, put just a bullet point to on the seven opportunity areas

748
01:10:49,710 --> 01:10:57,020
addressed in the plan, consider affordable housing for each area as it like. I wanted to be as

749
01:10:57,020 --> 01:11:02,440
but I wanted to be applied to all of the opportunity areas if it's a main goal of the town.

750
01:11:02,740 --> 01:11:05,360
You know, is it just makes sense to put a bullet point under there?

751
01:11:05,380 --> 01:11:06,940
Does that achieve our same objective?

752
01:11:08,440 --> 01:11:10,260
Without scaring away developers?

753
01:11:12,260 --> 01:11:16,580
I think that we can call out the sites where it makes the most sense.

754
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:25,320
Maybe not the ones further from transit or amenities and where we as planners see affordable housing

755
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:31,820
that benefits the community and I think calling out to specific opportunity areas where it makes

756
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:35,760
sense, I agree, I think that's good strategy.

757
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:40,100
Like for instance, it's a hurry. It doesn't seem like a great spot for affordable housing

758
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:46,520
because it's not near anything in terms of transportation. And town 15's kind of not

759
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:51,260
since the town owns it. It's good from an economic standpoint because the town could subsidize it,

760
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,300
but it's not really that close to anything. But because of the bullet point, there could be

761
01:11:55,300 --> 01:12:01,180
It could be at least a firmer consideration as we are either figuring out what happens to that a lot in a couple of years

762
01:12:01,180 --> 01:12:03,520
And we finally get budget and we're done with the pools or

763
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,420
You know, considering I might come in town

764
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:18,080
If we went back to the 76th street one a lot my concern here again would be try to solve I mean we're saying

765
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:22,860
medium density to multi-family residential and

766
01:12:22,860 --> 01:12:43,760
I think this is another area like the marketplace where trying to come up with some idea of how many units would be here would be helpful for the town because the current concept plan has 376 units.

767
01:12:45,260 --> 01:12:50,220
It's, I mean, personally when I looked at it, I thought that's overwhelming, I mean, there's

768
01:12:50,220 --> 01:12:56,040
apartment, there's three story apartments and four story apartments, I mean, it's either

769
01:12:56,040 --> 01:13:02,680
buildings, roads or parking spaces, there are no, there are no small parks, there's no open

770
01:13:02,680 --> 01:13:04,280
areas in there.

771
01:13:04,820 --> 01:13:10,300
I mean, it's not something that I think would be, it's not something that I think would

772
01:13:13,660 --> 01:13:22,440
an attractive addition to the town. I mean, it's right next to, um, I'm drawing a black,

773
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,720
what's the development down here?

774
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:26,920
Garth, Garth, do you mean your Sagamore?

775
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,400
Sagamore, it's right next to Sagamore, and Sagamore is also a very built, quite a built-up

776
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:39,300
area, although a single family house, but it has things like pocket parks in it, so there are actually open spaces

777
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:48,520
inside Sagamore, the benefit of the residents and somebody's going to come up with a medium

778
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:57,180
density or multi, I mean medium density, to melt melt, I'm family residential. I personally

779
01:13:57,180 --> 01:14:03,300
think it would be helpful to have some guidelines as to what that actually means in terms

780
01:14:03,300 --> 01:14:06,460
numbers of units or numbers of units per acre,

781
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:14,720
or anything that provides, because the

782
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:20,260
developers some idea of what we're expecting before they come to us rather than after.

783
01:14:21,580 --> 01:14:27,480
I hear what you're saying. I think what we can provide at the Comprehensive Plan level is a range

784
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:33,260
of dwelling units per acre. I think when it comes to open space and parks, that's going to come

785
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:40,140
your development regulations, and so there are recommendations in the goals and strategies

786
01:14:40,140 --> 01:14:48,620
and actions about providing adequate or appropriate superior towns scale open space and park

787
01:14:48,620 --> 01:14:53,600
areas in new developments, but those would be a part of the development regulation.

788
01:14:53,680 --> 01:14:58,580
When we were doing the new downtown, there's a whole series of design guidelines for the new

789
01:14:58,580 --> 01:14:59,420
Ciao, Ciao, Ciao!

790
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,580
How buildings have to look and what reforms the light is. It probably covers even open areas in the town and things like that.

791
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:12,100
I mean, if we have something, I mean, can we incorporate something like that?

792
01:15:13,580 --> 01:15:20,600
About what we expect of elements to look like to be consistent with the rest of the towns guidelines.

793
01:15:21,500 --> 01:15:26,700
The comprehensive plan doesn't necessarily talk about that, but our code for development

794
01:15:26,700 --> 01:15:28,640
does to an extent.

795
01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:38,920
When we bring a PV to you, we often look at the comprehensive plan and other land use

796
01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:44,820
required like land uses in the town to make sure they are appropriate for their surroundings.

797
01:15:44,820 --> 01:15:55,820
There are sections of the municipal code that talk about adjacent uses and we don't have

798
01:15:55,820 --> 01:16:03,660
design guidelines in our code but to the extent that the code talks about required open

799
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:11,320
spaces and then staff and planning commission and council all get an opportunity to look

800
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:17,800
the proposal and determine whether or not those are sufficient in accordance with the code

801
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:26,020
requirements. So the code just says it has to be x amount of open space and then you all get

802
01:16:26,020 --> 01:16:35,200
to determine whether that's appropriate for the site when they propose the development and what

803
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:39,180
that open space should look like for each site individually.

804
01:16:42,170 --> 01:16:45,770
But that's not part of the comprehensive land.

805
01:16:45,770 --> 01:16:47,290
The comprehensive plan like Noris,

806
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:49,110
that is kind of a bigger picture.

807
01:16:50,150 --> 01:16:52,050
And then in the parks and land use section,

808
01:16:52,230 --> 01:16:57,670
it talks about ensuring migration and habitat

809
01:16:58,410 --> 01:17:00,510
isn't disrupted with development

810
01:17:00,510 --> 01:17:03,370
and creating buffers and things like that.

811
01:17:04,350 --> 01:17:10,870
I mean, part part of my concern around this is that the developers for all, I mean, from very good commercial reasons.

812
01:17:11,690 --> 01:17:17,010
I usually try to get the maximum number of units that they can get into any given development.

813
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:27,100
I mean, sometimes, I mean, that seems rather extreme.

814
01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:30,300
Well, that's also what keeps them cheap.

815
01:17:30,300 --> 01:17:53,300
We want affordable housing, we might need something that has less parks and, I mean, in an area that's not as nice and I mean, that's how we get things I don't want to like create substandard housing but at the same time like you have to make things not as nice to get

816
01:17:55,540 --> 01:18:03,480
If you go over and look at the senior housing in Lafayette, it's actually pretty nice because of the way it's being done.

817
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:08,660
I mean, the casual, casual side and the huge, that's what I was doing.

818
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:09,440
Okay, that's very nice.

819
01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:11,100
What's the one there's one?

820
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,380
I'll see everyone.

821
01:18:15,140 --> 01:18:15,700
Anyway,

822
01:18:18,740 --> 01:18:23,580
there's another one, which is also, which has been a continuity developing site actually.

823
01:18:23,580 --> 01:18:29,680
They put out for the initial building and they go more, even though it's affordable housing.

824
01:18:30,100 --> 01:18:32,840
It's better, both of them were done by Boulder County Housing Authority.

825
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:38,760
They actually, you can't tell that affordable housing just from looking at them at the outside.

826
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,420
I think that's a goal to be aimed for, actually.

827
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,980
Will it be corner? That's the other one.

828
01:18:47,260 --> 01:18:48,520
Okay, sorry. Sorry.

829
01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:51,420
Will it be corner as the other one in Lafayette?

830
01:18:51,420 --> 01:18:53,820
If you want to look at will it be corner?

831
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:54,760
No, no, no.

832
01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:58,000
And Josephine comments is also, you know.

833
01:18:58,300 --> 01:19:01,420
Josephine comments is the one I was thinking of.

834
01:19:02,500 --> 01:19:09,300
Yeah, Lafayette has a number of affordable housing developments in different phases of development.

835
01:19:10,460 --> 01:19:15,580
I will say though the comprehensive plan provides direction and guidance.

836
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:20,640
It's not build this building developer.

837
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,700
or property owner, it's saying this is the guidance,

838
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,200
the zoning is still what the zoning is right now.

839
01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:32,380
So it's not saying you can build the most stories,

840
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,820
you can build the most number of units,

841
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:37,540
a developer is still going to have to come to you

842
01:19:37,540 --> 01:19:38,880
when they want to develop their property.

843
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:40,920
So it's not, this isn't the end of the process.

844
01:19:41,480 --> 01:19:45,420
I would say the majority of the opportunity

845
01:19:45,420 --> 01:19:47,880
is would require a rezoning.

846
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:57,700
And so, there are opportunities in the future to shape what, how those properties develop.

847
01:19:59,500 --> 01:19:59,980
And this is,

848
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,440
Really just land use and kind of built form guidance.

849
01:20:05,300 --> 01:20:11,400
But I guess just suggesting that we add in there, here's what we'd like, here's what we think will be a good idea for the town.

850
01:20:11,460 --> 01:20:17,200
What we'd like, but realizing it's just kind of a, it's a like, there's no requirement to do it that way.

851
01:20:18,140 --> 01:20:23,480
And it will be determined, as you say, when just they go through process and PD and zoning recommendations.

852
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:28,020
So, but it's just kind of, again, thinking of steering things.

853
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:33,600
Here's G, if you were to build this, it's, it's, you're probably not going to see much resistance.

854
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,280
I think that's, that's kind of what this whole process has been, right?

855
01:20:38,280 --> 01:20:43,120
Because we've, we've gone through a couple of different scenarios on each of the opportunity areas

856
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:50,940
and this is where after community input, after market study, after looking holistically at what the

857
01:20:50,940 --> 01:20:55,940
needs and what makes sense for each property and what we heard from the community.

858
01:20:56,260 --> 01:21:00,820
This is kind of the recommendation that the town staff and the consultants have come to.

859
01:21:01,100 --> 01:21:03,940
And so we're looking for you all to say,

860
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:11,640
okay, we can support this or if we really need to revisit one of the sites we can do that.

861
01:21:14,420 --> 01:21:20,440
Before I forget, I keep on thinking the element hotel spot.

862
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:23,760
Why is that not an opportunity area?

863
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:32,900
Mostly because it's zoned for a hotel and we're trying to get a hotel to cover that spot.

864
01:21:33,340 --> 01:21:39,440
We weren't considering it as an opportunity area because we weren't considering it as a vacant parcel.

865
01:21:42,700 --> 01:21:47,160
It is now maybe in 10 years if it's not developed again.

866
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:56,620
it'll be on that it'll be a new opportunity area or you're not wrong. Steve, do you have any questions?

867
01:21:58,020 --> 01:22:05,420
Yeah, I've got, I'm going to go first, Dan, and just if we can go back to page, I'm going to go back way back to beginning page 10.

868
01:22:09,090 --> 01:22:20,070
So, and I'm going to really get a little bit more kind of strategic on that, not page 10, I'm talking page 10 at the very beginning.

869
01:22:20,070 --> 01:22:22,970
At the dock, are you talking about the actual,

870
01:22:23,930 --> 01:22:26,450
the main circuit of sound rate in the executive sound rate?

871
01:22:26,910 --> 01:22:28,010
In the planet itself.

872
01:22:28,310 --> 01:22:31,910
I put the plan up if you exit out of here.

873
01:22:33,470 --> 01:22:35,350
Go down to the PDFs.

874
01:22:36,450 --> 01:22:37,430
There you go.

875
01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:42,540
Oh, let's stay here for just one sound in this one.

876
01:22:43,020 --> 01:22:45,180
Like, so when I opened this up,

877
01:22:46,100 --> 01:22:48,880
I was disappointed that this was the picture we chose

878
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:57,060
for superior, because granted, if you, there's this monument, I guess, that we built.

879
01:22:57,700 --> 01:23:02,340
But I expected something else other than that to do it.

880
01:23:02,420 --> 01:23:07,900
Now, again, I am the last person from an artist in all of that, so I'm going to stop with

881
01:23:07,900 --> 01:23:08,380
that comment.

882
01:23:08,820 --> 01:23:15,160
I just, I expected to see like, you, one of our events with people all around or something,

883
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:18,640
but again, so I'm going to just, that's just my two cents on that.

884
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,240
If you want to go to page 10.

885
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,920
I will say to those types of comments, we appreciate them and need them.

886
01:23:27,440 --> 01:23:33,340
I think those are probably best in the form of getting them during the staff comment period,

887
01:23:33,380 --> 01:23:40,120
because they are more editorial and this is more for wholesale changes and changes in direction

888
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:41,240
and things like that.

889
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,100
But again, I appreciate the comment.

890
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:44,080
So that's fair.

891
01:23:44,180 --> 01:23:45,440
The page you were looking for.

892
01:23:45,440 --> 01:23:58,140
It's not showing anymore. There it is. Okay. Yeah, so first of all, there's a couple of grammatical errors on this page, so if someone can look through it and and pick those up and fix them that'd be great.

893
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:06,480
When I think of an executive summary, I think it's telling me what are the key things in this document, the key conclusions.

894
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:12,420
all we're doing on these pages are telling us what's in it, but we're never telling

895
01:24:12,420 --> 01:24:19,760
someone, here's the things that we decided in the executive, you know, this is the executive

896
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:25,420
summary, here's what we decided, these are just telling us, okay, we did a transportation

897
01:24:25,420 --> 01:24:31,000
plan, we did this, we did that, and even the format is in there, not to me the format

898
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:36,080
shouldn't be in the executive summary, the executive summary should be one page that talks

899
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:41,540
about here's the, here's the decisions we made, you know, in the opportunity areas, here's

900
01:24:41,540 --> 01:24:46,940
the key things, here's the number one and two. I have to get, and this could be that I'm

901
01:24:46,940 --> 01:24:54,600
slightly ADD, reading a 260 page document, most people aren't going to do it. And I think if

902
01:24:54,600 --> 01:24:59,960
we lose them and we don't tell them what we decided in this plan here, we're going to lose.

903
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,500
50% of the people. So that's more of a structure, and you guys do this a lot. So I'm just giving

904
01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:14,780
in my two cents. The other thing is when I start reading the first paragraph, it says that we're

905
01:25:14,780 --> 01:25:21,180
going to regularly update this plan and stuff, but we haven't done it in 12 years. I think we should

906
01:25:21,180 --> 01:25:28,040
take the word regularly update out, because I think it's a periodic update. Unless we really are going

907
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,080
change the way we behave as a town,

908
01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:32,240
because I think we're inferring that we're gonna do this

909
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,120
a lot more regularly than what we're practically gonna do.

910
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:44,640
So, that's kind of my thought process around here.

911
01:25:45,220 --> 01:25:48,120
I thought the executive summary should grab you

912
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,100
and want you to read further in the doc and get things,

913
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:52,560
and this doesn't really

914
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:57,080
end.

915
01:26:00,860 --> 01:26:03,620
I have to agree about the executive summary.

916
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:05,740
I think it should be as impactful

917
01:26:05,740 --> 01:26:10,840
and it's informative as possible. This is a tremendously long document.

918
01:26:12,940 --> 01:26:15,080
I personally have gone

919
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:35,720
through and taken a quick prose of headers and whatnot. I haven't read this. It's hard to

920
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:43,960
of our residents and how can we make that just make it really easily digestible? And if you've

921
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:52,460
got something in an executive summary and say, see, you know, go to section XYZ to see more.

922
01:26:53,940 --> 01:26:54,960
Would be helpful.

923
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,700
Yeah, and if we think there's opportunities, if we think like we should tell

924
01:27:01,700 --> 01:27:06,020
people what are number one opportunity areas and what we what we think we should be doing right

925
01:27:06,020 --> 01:27:11,060
And if we've decided that, if we believe that, that we have, we should come out and tell people that.

926
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:22,020
If we think there's things that we feel strongly about, I think we should state it right here versus making people dig through the document and try to find it.

927
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:30,200
Because most people aren't going to do it. I mean, we're not like we're the one group who's supposed to do it and granted we just got it last night.

928
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:36,340
So I will look through the whole thing, but I'm surely not looking forward to 270 pages, I can tell you that.

929
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,900
I think that's a very good comment, because even when we've

930
01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:47,340
before we started this process, Mark Laces, who was then on the town board,

931
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:52,100
I made the comment that he didn't want another pile of paper that was going to

932
01:27:52,100 --> 01:27:58,100
sit on a shelf. And if you give people 270 pages, that's a pile of paper that's

933
01:27:58,100 --> 01:28:04,900
to sit on a shelf. I mean the best you can hope really is if you produce or I think the best

934
01:28:04,900 --> 01:28:10,700
you can hope for or the most you can expect for most people who aren't into it on a day-to-day

935
01:28:10,700 --> 01:28:18,440
basis is that they might read an executive summary and so having a good executive summary is actually

936
01:28:18,440 --> 01:28:26,340
really important to connecting with the people who are reading it. I also think since this is

937
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:34,380
PDF format you should have links so that they say go to the section and you can just press it and you go there that's a great idea

938
01:28:34,380 --> 01:28:36,500
That will be a part of future

939
01:28:36,500 --> 01:28:43,740
future drafts we were under a bit of a time crunch on this one and yeah, the whole the whole PDF will be linked within

940
01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:45,940
chapters if there's a figure

941
01:28:45,940 --> 01:28:52,120
reference somewhere you could click on that and it'll it'll link you to to that section of the document

942
01:28:52,120 --> 01:29:17,380
But it would be great to learn, because we've gone through a couple of iterations of a word document version of the text of the draft with staff, and this was just a first stab at showing it to you all, but it would be great if you have a list of what you'd like included in the executive summary, we're happy to do that.

943
01:29:17,380 --> 01:29:23,860
Our first conversations with staff were not to include all the details within each opportunity area,

944
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:31,980
which certainly couldn't all be on one page, but if you do want that within the executive summary,

945
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:37,720
we could do kind of an expanded executive summary that's more comprehensive and touches on

946
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:45,520
kind of everything. It's just hard to, we could do just the goals for each chapter instead of the goals and strategies or

947
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:52,460
I mean, I've done a bad news to you, but I mean, I think if the executive set summary

948
01:29:52,460 --> 01:29:57,080
was on my like 10 pages long, that would be perfectly fine, and if it was 20 pages long,

949
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,980
that wouldn't be terrible, I mean, it just has to be a link.

950
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,520
But somebody that I felt that a resident will read, I think that's really the thing that is most

951
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:17,320
determined. I'm sorry. Yeah, and I'll add one more thing there. As you go through the document in

952
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:23,260
you lay out, like we put a lot of history in here, like there's background in there's things. Like

953
01:30:23,260 --> 01:30:28,980
I would have thought that right following the executive summary, we'd have opportunity areas and

954
01:30:28,980 --> 01:30:34,740
key things we really, but again, if we're going to use a one or page to one to two page

955
01:30:34,740 --> 01:30:39,380
objective summary, then having those things we want people to look at should be in the

956
01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:45,300
front. And I think it's really important all the work we did and you guys did building

957
01:30:45,300 --> 01:30:50,960
this and interviews and all that stuff is good. But we're going to lose people, we don't

958
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:55,940
really expect them to read it. They're not going to give them what they came for. They want

959
01:30:55,940 --> 01:31:21,660
everyone wants to see the opportunity years, you know, what do they want to see? Let's put that at the front of the report and put the the background. I would typically like I put it all in appendix, you know, the when I do stuff like this. I don't because I don't expect people to read it. They can go there and the hyperlink to it and find it. But it's got to be it's the core of the report has got to be condensed if we expect people to read it.

960
01:31:24,060 --> 01:31:28,700
I will say I hear you and I understand your concern.

961
01:31:28,940 --> 01:31:36,580
I will say that 95% of people that interact with this document will be online and it being

962
01:31:36,580 --> 01:31:42,160
linked in a format of like look at page 11 where we're talking about chapter 3, touches

963
01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:48,260
on land use, chapter 5, economic development, the workforce, household jobs, income jobs,

964
01:31:48,260 --> 01:31:57,240
And things like that, you know, each of those chapters will be linked, so in a way, this is providing you the roadmap of where to get in the document.

965
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:08,060
We can rearrange the order of those, however, however makes the most sense for people who are digesting the document.

966
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:16,240
I think having the links is great and it should be, but I don't think it detracts well.

967
01:32:17,020 --> 01:32:23,500
maybe it's an age thing again. I mean I always read executive summaries whether I actually read

968
01:32:23,500 --> 01:32:27,620
what came after them, depending on what was in the executive summary.

969
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:31,540
This actually goes back,

970
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:39,200
I mean the previous, the 2012 plan has a whole bunch of appendices on economic data and things

971
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:45,820
like that that you could look at if you were interested in, but didn't really materially affect

972
01:32:45,820 --> 01:32:53,020
recommendations on the opportunity areas, which for what I think, I mean, I looked at those

973
01:32:53,020 --> 01:33:02,180
a lot. A lot of the other things, I read once or twice, like there was a section on transport

974
01:33:02,180 --> 01:33:09,120
and things like that often because they'd become out of date. But I was Steve on this,

975
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:13,360
I think having a good executive summary that tells people

976
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:17,540
60 or 70% of what they need to know so that they can go

977
01:33:17,540 --> 01:33:21,780
into the detail to find the other 30%

978
01:33:21,780 --> 01:33:23,620
it is really quite important.

979
01:33:25,300 --> 01:33:28,740
I think, and this will be my last comment.

980
01:33:29,300 --> 01:33:33,180
I think I read it and I don't know what to take away from it because

981
01:33:33,180 --> 01:33:34,620
there's so much, right?

982
01:33:35,300 --> 01:33:38,200
And so what are those and maybe we should talk about it as the

983
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,840
I didn't commit shit, what are those three or four things

984
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,100
we want people to take away from this document?

985
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:46,300
And I don't know that I can tell you those right now

986
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:49,980
off the top of my head, but I think it's someone said

987
01:33:49,980 --> 01:33:52,640
earlier, maybe David said this, it's our document, right?

988
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:56,920
What do we want people to remember from this document and read?

989
01:33:57,180 --> 01:33:59,780
And I don't, I can't tell you that I know the answer

990
01:33:59,780 --> 01:34:01,260
got that right now.

991
01:34:01,480 --> 01:34:03,120
I can't.

992
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:03,980
OK.

993
01:34:04,700 --> 01:34:08,020
I think we need a table in the beginning

994
01:34:08,020 --> 01:34:14,580
that has all the opportunity areas, it lists their names, it probably lists their parcel

995
01:34:14,580 --> 01:34:22,840
acres, and then just primary and secondary uses, and you just have like a ton of links in there.

996
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:31,940
And I know me and my husband when we talk about articles and stuff, we say give me the TLDR,

997
01:34:31,940 --> 01:34:42,680
which is too long didn't read and we want to paragraph and maybe that happens on

998
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,580
like the first page or something. I don't know that you should call it TLDR but

999
01:34:46,580 --> 01:34:51,860
that's what everyone of my age will call it and I think it should just do

1000
01:34:51,860 --> 01:34:59,140
opportunity areas probably affordable housing and link it to affordable housing

1001
01:34:59,140 --> 01:34:59,960
Recommendation.

1002
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:06,460
And, like, action items, like those three.

1003
01:35:07,700 --> 01:35:15,800
Yeah, I've got to expand, I'd say. What are the things that the health, I mean, affordable housing

1004
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:21,940
is one of the town's principle goals, economic development is one of the town's principle goals.

1005
01:35:22,940 --> 01:35:29,660
I mean, what you're really saying is that the opportunity areas of the core of this plan,

1006
01:35:29,660 --> 01:35:33,200
that they're the important things, that's why you want to put them first.

1007
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:35,720
And I agree with that, actually.

1008
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:40,220
I think that, I mean, if anybody wants to put the first thing the people who they're

1009
01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:44,740
down on Andrew's lane will do is they'll look to see what the plan says about development

1010
01:35:44,740 --> 01:35:45,880
on town 15.

1011
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:50,360
The first thing the people who put down the market place will do is they'll look

1012
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,560
around, they'll look to see what it says about development in the marketplace.

1013
01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:57,020
I think that's what makes those the most important things.

1014
01:35:57,020 --> 01:36:04,660
But if you could, I think linking it to affordable housing or linking it to the section of economic development,

1015
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:16,020
if you can blend those together to have an executive summary, which is a summary, but has enough information in it,

1016
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:22,060
but if somebody who looks at it will feel they've got an idea of what the plan says is important.

1017
01:36:22,060 --> 01:36:32,460
Can I make a suggestion? So, just in the effort of time and the fact that none of us have really read this yet.

1018
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:46,520
If you, like, the executive summary piece I have written down and we will first look at what that looks like.

1019
01:36:46,520 --> 01:36:54,280
I'd love it if you all, when you're going through and, you know, providing comments, if you

1020
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:56,780
highlight, you know,

1021
01:36:58,850 --> 01:37:03,610
where something is that should be in the executive summary. Like if you're

1022
01:37:03,610 --> 01:37:05,130
if you're reading through the document,

1023
01:37:07,610 --> 01:37:13,730
put a star or make a note that says, you know, this sentence or this

1024
01:37:14,510 --> 01:37:22,970
section or something, just tell us where you all individually feel like things should, like

1025
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:27,370
this should be in the executive summary, this should be in the executive summary and then

1026
01:37:27,370 --> 01:37:34,790
we'll take all of your comments and our comments and they'll try to figure out how to incorporate

1027
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:41,870
as much as we possibly can and then when we bring it back to you, well as part of our presentation

1028
01:37:41,870 --> 01:37:44,670
And for your approval of the draft plan,

1029
01:37:44,990 --> 01:37:48,210
we'll be the final draft draft plan.

1030
01:37:48,430 --> 01:37:51,590
The one that we send out for public review,

1031
01:37:53,210 --> 01:37:57,590
we'll talk about how the feedback that we received

1032
01:37:57,590 --> 01:38:01,190
from you, the feedback they received from staff,

1033
01:38:03,290 --> 01:38:04,950
and then we'll incorporate that,

1034
01:38:05,010 --> 01:38:08,390
and how we've incorporated that into the next version

1035
01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:10,490
that you see when we bring it back.

1036
01:38:10,490 --> 01:38:18,110
I honestly think for the reasons Steve gave that you should have an executive summary before you sent it out to the public

1037
01:38:18,110 --> 01:38:24,030
Because the public will read the except and must fall likely to read the executive summary that they ought to read the plan

1038
01:38:24,430 --> 01:38:29,230
That's the plan. Yes, so we your comment period goes through January 2nd

1039
01:38:29,230 --> 01:38:34,710
We will be modifying the plan based on your comments and then the public draft is January 15th

1040
01:38:34,710 --> 01:38:38,770
I mean, I've got to read 276 pages between that comment.

1041
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:40,210
I'm not joking.

1042
01:38:42,130 --> 01:38:43,690
We can adjust the timing.

1043
01:38:44,010 --> 01:38:44,990
And that's not.

1044
01:38:46,050 --> 01:38:46,230
It's not.

1045
01:38:46,290 --> 01:38:46,450
It's not.

1046
01:38:46,850 --> 01:38:47,970
It's not.

1047
01:38:47,970 --> 01:38:49,090
Steve went first.

1048
01:38:49,230 --> 01:38:51,210
So that means you can go second.

1049
01:38:52,910 --> 01:38:55,530
Um, is there a share?

1050
01:38:55,710 --> 01:39:00,670
Is there a way to share this document so we can all put our edits and comments?

1051
01:39:01,870 --> 01:39:02,470
100%.

1052
01:39:02,470 --> 01:39:02,610
100%.

1053
01:39:03,410 --> 01:39:09,610
Or just let us do our own, save the document, so yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing, I'd love that.

1054
01:39:10,450 --> 01:39:12,730
We can provide a link like we've done in the past.

1055
01:39:12,990 --> 01:39:20,810
It's going to go be shared link where it's a shared PDF and everybody can see each other's comments and comment on comments and things like that.

1056
01:39:21,790 --> 01:39:23,470
But I'll leave that up to you, Renee.

1057
01:39:24,650 --> 01:39:26,810
Is that would that help be helpful for you all?

1058
01:39:26,810 --> 01:39:38,470
to see comments from, see everyone's comments in a draft form, or do you want, like, it's

1059
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:40,010
not going to be a word document,

1060
01:39:42,750 --> 01:39:46,410
right? You don't want to edit that word document, but if

1061
01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:54,410
we want to highlight something, yeah, you've been about it, or that, I mean, I think some

1062
01:39:54,410 --> 01:39:59,850
our comments, we'll relate to each other and, you know, how many copies.

1063
01:40:08,660 --> 01:40:29,980
So we've done these a few different ways for internally, we will have like a, basically a comment, letter that we provide, and it'll just go, you know, chapter by chapter, and then you call out the page number and you make your comment.

1064
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,850
And that makes it easier to go through the comments that way.

1065
01:40:37,610 --> 01:40:44,110
I would fade a something like that because I think if you set it up so that we can all edit it all at the same time.

1066
01:40:44,670 --> 01:40:48,830
So essentially we're editing each other's edits as we go along.

1067
01:40:49,070 --> 01:40:51,270
That's potentially rather confusing.

1068
01:40:52,450 --> 01:40:56,810
Like it depends on what kind of editing capability we have.

1069
01:40:57,030 --> 01:41:00,190
If we get a document like this in Adobe would it be?

1070
01:41:00,190 --> 01:41:01,770
I'm just being commenting on that.

1071
01:41:02,090 --> 01:41:04,930
No, I mean, but it's like the capability you would have with Adobe

1072
01:41:04,930 --> 01:41:06,550
Acrobat would it be that good?

1073
01:41:08,050 --> 01:41:11,590
So you could like insert text, a suggested text or is it just going to be

1074
01:41:11,590 --> 01:41:14,210
comments with messages or things like that?

1075
01:41:15,130 --> 01:41:18,850
I was thinking comments with messages without changing the actual text

1076
01:41:18,850 --> 01:41:21,110
because we don't want to edit their document.

1077
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:22,750
They'll edit their document.

1078
01:41:23,710 --> 01:41:23,950
OK.

1079
01:41:25,190 --> 01:41:27,970
I mean, when we do it, we do it in blue bean.

1080
01:41:27,970 --> 01:41:33,530
But it, like, you add, like, a little, you have a couple,

1081
01:41:33,670 --> 01:41:35,930
like you can add a text box, or you can have, like, a little.

1082
01:41:35,990 --> 01:41:37,530
Right, right, so I think that would be nice.

1083
01:41:37,690 --> 01:41:37,790
Yeah.

1084
01:41:37,830 --> 01:41:38,450
Kind of stuff.

1085
01:41:39,210 --> 01:41:44,270
And then it knows what page you're putting that on and who the author is.

1086
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:45,710
And it's like, that's it.

1087
01:41:45,710 --> 01:41:46,470
That would be great.

1088
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:52,070
Or if this was in a Google Doc even, I know some of you might not

1089
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:54,510
put a Google Doc would do this easily.

1090
01:41:54,710 --> 01:41:57,590
I don't think you want to do something where you like track changes.

1091
01:41:57,590 --> 01:42:00,090
I think you want, like a PDF with comments.

1092
01:42:01,310 --> 01:42:04,850
Well, I mean, you just do comment, you don't have to necessarily track the changes, but you

1093
01:42:04,850 --> 01:42:10,450
could see everyone's comments of where they are and, you know, so I'll live with whatever

1094
01:42:10,450 --> 01:42:11,130
we decide.

1095
01:42:12,330 --> 01:42:15,410
So, that's sure whatever's easy for you guys, you'll have to take those all the comments.

1096
01:42:15,490 --> 01:42:20,630
You know, the people who have to cope with the comments, well, part of it is like, you

1097
01:42:20,630 --> 01:42:26,570
know, we use blue beam and we, you can highlight and then add a comment, but like, you all

1098
01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:33,750
don't necessarily have Adobe or blue beam or in design or what, you know, like, I don't

1099
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:37,370
expect that you have all of that. I don't have that on my home computer.

1100
01:42:37,390 --> 01:42:38,110
Oh, yes, we have.

1101
01:42:38,110 --> 01:42:46,830
I have, like, the tea perversion of PDF that doesn't cost anything. So, like, adding comments

1102
01:42:46,830 --> 01:42:53,370
to PDF is a challenge on my home computer. So, I don't want to assume that you all have

1103
01:42:53,370 --> 01:43:02,810
ability to make comments in a particular format, which is why like putting a word document

1104
01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:08,510
out with like chapter one, chapter two, and then, you know, your name, and then your comments,

1105
01:43:09,070 --> 01:43:13,070
and that can be a Google doc that you provide comments on.

1106
01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:18,930
And then you could attach, you know, if you want to like highlight something in the PDF version,

1107
01:43:18,930 --> 01:43:24,930
And you could just say, see PDF, red lines or something like that.

1108
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:28,050
Is there not a web-based thing?

1109
01:43:28,630 --> 01:43:29,110
There is.

1110
01:43:30,270 --> 01:43:37,110
Yes, so what we can do with our software is upload a PDF and it's an Adobe link.

1111
01:43:37,630 --> 01:43:43,350
So you can go in and use the most basic Adobe tools, but insert text.

1112
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:53,390
replace selected text, highlight, things like that, and then everyone can do that, but it's all

1113
01:43:53,390 --> 01:43:58,970
online so you have to be connected to Wi-Fi, but it doesn't require you to have that software.

1114
01:44:01,150 --> 01:44:08,790
But again, we're going to be asking staff to consolidate, comments, and give us direction based on all of

1115
01:44:08,790 --> 01:44:11,690
because there could potentially be some conflicting

1116
01:44:11,690 --> 01:44:15,090
direction, and so we were going to need a pretty

1117
01:44:15,090 --> 01:44:17,010
streamlined document.

1118
01:44:17,450 --> 01:44:21,110
And so I guess it's kind of, you know, it's up to you all how

1119
01:44:21,110 --> 01:44:23,290
you want to do this review process.

1120
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:28,030
If you think you need more time, if we need another meeting.

1121
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:32,850
I mean, I'm not opposed to providing a link for them to make

1122
01:44:32,850 --> 01:44:35,770
their comments that way, and it might be easier.

1123
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:41,190
I don't want them to be commenting on the same one that we are commenting on that stuff.

1124
01:44:41,190 --> 01:44:43,490
You can provide like different links. Yeah. Okay.

1125
01:44:44,290 --> 01:44:45,690
So maybe we'll do it that way.

1126
01:44:46,490 --> 01:44:50,190
We'll fill set up a link, I'll send it to you all, and you can choose.

1127
01:44:50,370 --> 01:44:54,730
I mean, if you need to do it in a word document and write it out, that's fine.

1128
01:44:55,490 --> 01:44:59,830
You all, but you'll have the ability to edit it in that in that same.

1129
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:00,780
For a minute.

1130
01:45:02,340 --> 01:45:03,960
Yeah, sounds good?

1131
01:45:04,300 --> 01:45:04,740
Cool.

1132
01:45:06,040 --> 01:45:12,740
Do people think we need another meeting to kind of agree on our feedback?

1133
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:18,100
Well, when I was going to, we never did get through all the opportunity areas. We got through

1134
01:45:18,100 --> 01:45:22,260
those and see if there's anything that kind of, that we all say,

1135
01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:24,800
gee, you should change this, or I think that's what was.

1136
01:45:24,980 --> 01:45:28,820
Nor is looking for feedback. What is anything, are we against any

1137
01:45:28,820 --> 01:45:31,360
recommendations or I think they should be different.

1138
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:38,420
I'm trying to have me very good at summarizing this, but the two that I'm distinctly

1139
01:45:38,420 --> 01:45:43,060
remembering, or one that I would like to try and provide something in the way of guidance

1140
01:45:43,060 --> 01:45:47,180
about the actual sizes and the developments, and you would like to provide.

1141
01:45:47,180 --> 01:45:50,340
I would like that, too, and then I take it one step further, if it's possible.

1142
01:45:50,340 --> 01:45:55,120
You might be able to say that this is a good opportunity for the areas for affordable housing.

1143
01:45:55,120 --> 01:46:00,760
Or any of the housing we've got goals for housing, what are the best

1144
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:03,080
opportunity areas to meet those goals?

1145
01:46:04,080 --> 01:46:07,600
I think there are some opportunities that are better than others.

1146
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:11,340
I know that's really what I think is where I think Steve was going with.

1147
01:46:11,660 --> 01:46:17,020
We should prioritize these areas for which ones do we think we should really focus them.

1148
01:46:17,660 --> 01:46:20,040
I mean, Sahara this has been sitting there for years.

1149
01:46:20,540 --> 01:46:24,720
If it sits there for more years, that's probably not going to do.

1150
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:32,440
They might have much of an impact on the town, developing development in the marketplace would have an immediate impact on the town.

1151
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:40,560
So do we think the marketplace is a more important, more important location than Zaharias.

1152
01:46:41,740 --> 01:46:44,640
Is there actually a way of ranking them, but makes sense?

1153
01:46:45,260 --> 01:46:49,720
I don't think you want to rank them as part of the comprehensive plan.

1154
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:58,880
And because we don't know what the developers are going to be looking for, they're all equally

1155
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:06,580
important to the town, what's important is that the land use has make sense for the location

1156
01:47:06,580 --> 01:47:07,840
of each parcel.

1157
01:47:11,940 --> 01:47:17,820
I guess we'll see it so for this one for housing, this could perhaps be middle, senior, even

1158
01:47:17,820 --> 01:47:18,360
affordable.

1159
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:25,020
just kind of list that and I guess the question on housing in which I raised the council

1160
01:47:25,020 --> 01:47:31,760
meeting is when we say housing to beneath rental or to mean for sale or I don't know

1161
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:38,340
it seems like we should distinguish if we have a preference. I'm kind of like David when I saw

1162
01:47:38,340 --> 01:47:44,160
the all these rental units there. It didn't seem like that was a great use that's consistent

1163
01:47:44,160 --> 01:47:49,300
with, like, sagabar, for instance, I mean, so I, that wouldn't, I don't know, I don't know.

1164
01:47:49,340 --> 01:47:52,660
I mean, I'd love to see more starter homes that would be a good idea.

1165
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:53,620
I don't know.

1166
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:54,080
I mean, I don't know.

1167
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,060
And I mean, this was a great one for that.

1168
01:47:58,160 --> 01:48:02,040
But again, this wouldn't, this doesn't regulate that out.

1169
01:48:02,060 --> 01:48:02,880
I understand that.

1170
01:48:03,100 --> 01:48:06,480
It's just, we think it'd be great, that's, that's all I'm saying.

1171
01:48:06,920 --> 01:48:13,940
I wonder if the solution is more in the policies where we could, so, come to the,

1172
01:48:13,940 --> 01:48:18,640
Well, the other thing getting back the day of it's talking about the density, so let's say we figure,

1173
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:23,880
I mean, I think medium density makes the most sense there, but then okay, if it's medium density,

1174
01:48:24,420 --> 01:48:31,100
if we're 20 to 30 units per acre, then the next step is, okay, what kind of a population increase

1175
01:48:31,100 --> 01:48:35,460
is that going to lead to? And I thought that would be valuable just to know what's our ultimate

1176
01:48:35,460 --> 01:48:41,840
population going to be? And that kind of goes into one major thing is water, water availability.

1177
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:42,840
Yeah,

1178
01:48:49,690 --> 01:48:56,390
I was trying to find our housing actions where we could say something like, you know, we're promoting affordable housing.

1179
01:48:59,130 --> 01:49:04,810
Consider the 76th street, consider superior marketplace and, you know,

1180
01:49:04,990 --> 01:49:08,690
Marketplace wouldn't be, it would only be for affordable housing or.

1181
01:49:09,590 --> 01:49:14,690
Yeah, I think it fits under H1.3 which is from the development and missing middle housing.

1182
01:49:14,690 --> 01:49:17,590
I think if you put in another, it's on page 123.

1183
01:49:18,530 --> 01:49:21,130
I think if you put another bullet point in to specific points.

1184
01:49:21,130 --> 01:49:23,450
Yeah, that's a good way to promote opportunities

1185
01:49:23,450 --> 01:49:25,810
that we know that need this attention.

1186
01:49:26,530 --> 01:49:29,790
You've solved it under age 1.3.

1187
01:49:30,050 --> 01:49:32,310
Or that's a good way of kind of referencing the goal,

1188
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:33,210
this particular point.

1189
01:49:33,210 --> 01:49:34,970
Well, that's why I'd mentioned position statements.

1190
01:49:35,210 --> 01:49:38,790
So taking goal this and taking land use this

1191
01:49:38,790 --> 01:49:41,170
and this opportunity, the commission takes this position

1192
01:49:41,170 --> 01:49:43,650
on how this site should be developed.

1193
01:49:45,010 --> 01:49:50,130
this document just can't do that here because it has to be evergreen but I mean

1194
01:49:50,130 --> 01:49:54,770
you know like you could say like just for the 76 okay it this would be a good

1195
01:49:54,770 --> 01:49:59,810
site for a company goals ab and c when the numbers are yeah yeah yeah I mean that'd be

1196
01:49:59,810 --> 01:49:59,970
okay

1197
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,080
Okay. Yeah. I think it could be either way. Yeah.

1198
01:50:05,560 --> 01:50:08,220
It would not be for affordable housing, just to have a location.

1199
01:50:08,680 --> 01:50:08,960
Sure.

1200
01:50:08,960 --> 01:50:11,920
Better for missing middle or starter homes or whatnot.

1201
01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:16,400
I think it could, it could be accomplished either way. I think it's about preference.

1202
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:24,480
If you want it in the opportunity area section or you want it here, the idea is that when staff is reviewing proposals for

1203
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:29,940
development, they're looking at both the goals and the opportunity area in future

1204
01:50:29,940 --> 01:50:30,860
landies map.

1205
01:50:31,460 --> 01:50:35,260
But everyone said that the easiest thing to read in the report is the opportunity

1206
01:50:35,260 --> 01:50:35,640
areas.

1207
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:36,700
Those pages.

1208
01:50:36,900 --> 01:50:37,520
Those are great.

1209
01:50:38,060 --> 01:50:39,520
That's so easy to read.

1210
01:50:40,380 --> 01:50:44,100
I think the more we could put in there to kind of just capture everything we're doing.

1211
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:46,180
I think that'd be the way to do it.

1212
01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:52,280
Maybe when you're going through an editing, I think that's what you're talking about as a good

1213
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:52,700
idea.

1214
01:50:52,700 --> 01:51:03,600
is if you want to call out H, you know, 1.3 in the opportunity areas and just list the, like,

1215
01:51:04,060 --> 01:51:12,540
we can tie those goals or actions or strategies or whatever it is that you point to within

1216
01:51:12,540 --> 01:51:21,860
that opportunity area. I mean, that's kind of a, that's actually a great idea. It's like to

1217
01:51:21,860 --> 01:51:27,620
see if we can tie some of tie the plan together so that, I mean, that's what we're supposed

1218
01:51:27,620 --> 01:51:34,620
to be doing. You're using a plan to meet goals. Yeah. Yeah. So if you can, if you think that

1219
01:51:34,620 --> 01:51:41,780
like these land uses and this built form and these housing type, this makes sense to meet such

1220
01:51:41,780 --> 01:51:48,860
and such goal, then we could call out that goal within this section. And I think if you just

1221
01:51:48,860 --> 01:52:00,420
Listed as like S1.1 and then you can link to S1.1 and yeah, yeah, I think it'd be good to keep the single page format for each of these like

1222
01:52:00,420 --> 01:52:08,340
I mean, you're just gonna make the photos the smaller to add more text for the some of the photos are nice, but anyway, I think that's really easy to read and

1223
01:52:08,980 --> 01:52:12,640
kind of I said, well, I thought you could even use those for the executive summary

1224
01:52:13,740 --> 01:52:17,940
I mean there will be 16 or 18 pages, but they're real easy to read

1225
01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:31,240
Yeah, I think so maybe what I'm hearing is adding just a section of these opportunity area

1226
01:52:32,740 --> 01:52:38,500
sections that's basically priority goals for implementation or priority strategies

1227
01:52:38,500 --> 01:52:46,360
and just list them and link them and then you can connect these two pieces of the plan.

1228
01:52:46,540 --> 01:52:51,700
I think that improves the plan because it gives more focus to it actually.

1229
01:52:51,700 --> 01:52:52,140
Sure.

1230
01:52:55,380 --> 01:52:56,200
Sounds good.

1231
01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:06,260
What thing on town 15? I can't resist that.

1232
01:53:07,760 --> 01:53:16,230
I think you had listed a use of as town facilities and I really don't think that's just,

1233
01:53:16,230 --> 01:53:20,610
I don't think that's a great, the best spot for our new town hall or a bigger town hall.

1234
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:22,330
I think town where it is now.

1235
01:53:22,530 --> 01:53:24,550
So I wouldn't really even include that.

1236
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:27,110
I wouldn't include the photo of a rec center.

1237
01:53:27,730 --> 01:53:30,050
I think I've heard town council say I kind of agree.

1238
01:53:30,050 --> 01:53:33,650
I don't think there's any way superior is ever going to afford to build a wreck center.

1239
01:53:34,370 --> 01:53:39,630
I think the idea of town offices was only if a wreck center were to happen, if there,

1240
01:53:40,170 --> 01:53:45,390
if it's in the future the town needs to expand office space, that would be an opportunity to,

1241
01:53:45,390 --> 01:53:47,430
to be a part of that building.

1242
01:53:47,630 --> 01:53:51,210
I mean, I think that is something that towns actively looking at needs.

1243
01:53:51,570 --> 01:53:54,110
I mean, they're all over town right now and how many buildings.

1244
01:53:54,650 --> 01:54:00,330
But I don't think there's no way we can afford a rec center.

1245
01:54:01,190 --> 01:54:04,110
We just had a taxi increase for night insidums.

1246
01:54:04,470 --> 01:54:09,230
You'd probably have to partner with boys and girls club or something like that.

1247
01:54:09,670 --> 01:54:11,670
But it would be a partner with someone.

1248
01:54:11,690 --> 01:54:13,250
Yes, we're private firms.

1249
01:54:13,630 --> 01:54:14,730
Yeah, not their own rec center.

1250
01:54:15,850 --> 01:54:18,190
So I wouldn't even list that at all on town 15.

1251
01:54:18,970 --> 01:54:19,810
I would.

1252
01:54:20,490 --> 01:54:30,110
I would say we heard it pretty loud and clear from the community that it's a priority and we need to show space for it in the comprehensive plan, but.

1253
01:54:30,210 --> 01:54:32,750
It's it's already there in the existing zoning.

1254
01:54:33,470 --> 01:54:33,850
It's not.

1255
01:54:34,090 --> 01:54:37,810
That's that's what the current town 15 allows for.

1256
01:54:38,570 --> 01:54:39,890
Of it for town buildings.

1257
01:54:40,910 --> 01:54:41,450
At the moment.

1258
01:54:42,030 --> 01:54:43,390
But it allows for commercial.

1259
01:54:44,410 --> 01:54:45,970
It's a neighborhood commercial.

1260
01:54:46,890 --> 01:54:47,510
Zoning.

1261
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:52,570
If the town wanted to build a new town sensor on it, could it do that?

1262
01:54:54,090 --> 01:54:59,970
I think that it would fall, and I'm not sure if it's an allowed user, if it's a used by special review.

1263
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:16,530
Or something like that. I mean, like, the zoning of it doesn't really matter. The what matters is that the uses that are supported by

1264
01:55:17,630 --> 01:55:28,610
you all and residents and staff and council are these types of uses and the

1265
01:55:28,610 --> 01:55:34,610
recreation uses a broad use it shows a recreation center it could be like

1266
01:55:34,610 --> 01:55:39,030
use that a boys and girls club it could be a library it could be just like a

1267
01:55:39,030 --> 01:55:50,770
a small, you know, storage facility for an adjacent field park space, it could be not

1268
01:55:50,770 --> 01:55:55,170
not a building at all in just recreation and open space.

1269
01:55:55,570 --> 01:56:03,150
Actually, I think there's, I mean, over time I've heard a lot of people say we don't need to build

1270
01:56:03,150 --> 01:56:09,930
recreation center in Superior because there are lots of them in the adjacent area and we've

1271
01:56:09,930 --> 01:56:14,790
certainly heard a lot of people say we don't need to build residential properties on town

1272
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:20,270
15. So we've actually, I mean at the moment you have two photographs of things that

1273
01:56:20,270 --> 01:56:31,480
It various times would have negative expressions about them.

1274
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:38,100
I mean, I think the one that will probably win most support will be the sports fields in the middle.

1275
01:56:39,860 --> 01:56:44,200
I would be surprised if anything got built on this property in the next 10 years.

1276
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:49,980
But, I mean, it keeps the concept open.

1277
01:56:49,980 --> 01:57:07,600
Well, and the current zoning is commercial, so regardless, I mean, nothing in here is really, I mean, potentially use by review or condition or use, but anything proposed would need to come to you anyway.

1278
01:57:08,140 --> 01:57:13,980
I am the town owns it, so nothing's getting built there unless the town says so.

1279
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:18,340
I'll just make a comment.

1280
01:57:19,180 --> 01:57:19,600
That's true.

1281
01:57:20,300 --> 01:57:22,640
Can we flip through some of the others quickly, Nora?

1282
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:25,120
I can't remember if I had any others just struck me

1283
01:57:25,120 --> 01:57:28,600
that I didn't think it was ever going to just

1284
01:57:28,600 --> 01:57:29,760
didn't make sense.

1285
01:57:31,200 --> 01:57:33,480
Oh, I know the one discovery.

1286
01:57:35,740 --> 01:57:38,560
So that was kind of a change.

1287
01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:41,180
We've got a recommendation for residential.

1288
01:57:47,050 --> 01:57:49,610
Yeah, I guess I was a little surprised to see that,

1289
01:57:49,610 --> 01:57:54,990
Although, clearly, no one's building office buildings there.

1290
01:57:54,990 --> 01:57:59,930
It says on the document that it's hard to get commercial vehicles into that spot.

1291
01:58:00,590 --> 01:58:01,810
But I thought that's most of that.

1292
01:58:02,010 --> 01:58:02,670
It's not that.

1293
01:58:02,690 --> 01:58:06,430
That's part of the background on that specific thing.

1294
01:58:06,450 --> 01:58:07,470
It's one of the allies.

1295
01:58:07,570 --> 01:58:08,170
I think it was.

1296
01:58:08,510 --> 01:58:08,990
Is that why?

1297
01:58:09,010 --> 01:58:14,110
Do you know why that's not been no one's been interested in building more office buildings there?

1298
01:58:14,250 --> 01:58:15,990
I thought their office buildings were narrowly.

1299
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:26,790
Yeah, so the approved plan is for more office buildings and they're just not building

1300
01:58:26,790 --> 01:58:37,090
offices any more right now and for the foreseeable future I would say and so we were

1301
01:58:37,090 --> 01:58:42,030
looking at what else makes sense for this site you don't want to prevent additional office

1302
01:58:42,030 --> 01:58:49,590
should it come back? And this would be, you know, the primary site for additional office space should

1303
01:58:49,590 --> 01:58:57,650
offices be, you know, make it come back. But what else makes sense for this site other than that?

1304
01:58:59,010 --> 01:59:03,850
I think someone said if we open that for residential, we'd have to develop our feet down

1305
01:59:03,850 --> 01:59:11,090
our doors to build them there. And it depends on the type of residential that we recommend and then

1306
01:59:12,930 --> 01:59:26,630
When we bring it to you, what it looks like and how it interacts with surrounding land uses and does it preserve anything for future office space or commercial or something else.

1307
01:59:27,310 --> 01:59:33,590
Those are all questions that could come with an actual plan for development of the site.

1308
01:59:34,810 --> 01:59:38,190
And this recommendation would allow for those.

1309
01:59:39,670 --> 01:59:48,190
When that was planned as an office site, I don't think blocks two and five were available as office sites were they.

1310
01:59:49,410 --> 01:59:57,970
I think that's discovered, I forget when the platform that was done, but I think it's before the marketplace isn't it?

1311
01:59:59,050 --> 01:59:59,970
Before down it was

1312
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,240
Was it before the marketplace? I mean, I was going to say for sure before down town, like two and five came after discovery.

1313
02:00:10,260 --> 02:00:12,980
Oh, yes, two and five were lunch and half of it.

1314
02:00:13,120 --> 02:00:15,900
And I also think like key bank has a lot of vacancy.

1315
02:00:16,260 --> 02:00:18,920
Do like current office buildings have a lot of vacancy.

1316
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:20,900
Yeah.

1317
02:00:21,060 --> 02:00:29,760
The property owners of the discovery, the existing office there said that they've had struggles with fleecing

1318
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:37,260
spaces. Okay, I think the preference originally was to make it office space, but then the absence

1319
02:00:37,260 --> 02:00:43,320
of it ever becoming office space. I mean, it's not obvious reason not to use it for residents.

1320
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:48,560
No, I agree. I mean, it's just, yeah, I think if we open up the residential from what I've gathered,

1321
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:56,700
it'll go be a high priority property, it will go that way quickly. I think any of your

1322
02:00:56,700 --> 02:01:01,360
opportunity areas open to residential. I mean, I think it's happening.

1323
02:01:04,120 --> 02:01:09,220
Yeah. And so then basically, if we did that there, then the only office for

1324
02:01:09,220 --> 02:01:12,520
issues, the most office space is downtown, those two.

1325
02:01:15,250 --> 02:01:20,770
Yeah. So when those, I mean, when and if we pass, you know, we'll approve this

1326
02:01:20,770 --> 02:01:25,510
plan with these recommendations. If it says that housing is as a

1327
02:01:25,510 --> 02:01:48,510
possibility when they, if, if a developer comes and bring something to you all, you'll be able to look to this to say that yes, that's an allowed, you know, that's that's recommended as something by the comprehensive plan. So it's not out of character. But what else are you looking to see with that development? That's when you look to the municipal code and our, you know,

1328
02:01:48,510 --> 02:01:53,990
rezoning of property, what are the rezoning it to and doesn't make sense for the area

1329
02:01:53,990 --> 02:01:59,410
and all the other things that you all want to talk about, what as it pertains to each of these sites

1330
02:01:59,410 --> 02:02:07,430
come kind of, we just want to make sure that the recommendations allow for the developments

1331
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:16,590
to occur and to make sure that the use is makes sense for the site and economic

1332
02:02:18,830 --> 02:02:26,570
I guess that they're economically viable also for both the town and those property owners.

1333
02:02:28,050 --> 02:02:36,690
Okay, all right, I guess yeah, I mean I I was surprised to see that in no way we hadn't really we hadn't really talked about that, but

1334
02:02:36,690 --> 02:02:45,330
Okay, I think during the two open houses turning this in the residential was quite a popular vote was it?

1335
02:02:46,990 --> 02:02:56,530
Yeah, I mean, I think if office uses will be viable and I do think office is going to

1336
02:02:56,530 --> 02:03:02,410
make a comeback, but I think really prioritizing it along Discovery Parkway because there's

1337
02:03:02,410 --> 02:03:10,250
no viable access from McCaslin because of this access here and so really for access reasons

1338
02:03:10,250 --> 02:03:16,010
you would want that office used to be here, and then you've got supporting residential behind it.

1339
02:03:16,170 --> 02:03:22,630
And there are topography and drainage challenges that are going to make developing this

1340
02:03:22,630 --> 02:03:30,550
site difficult. So the more flexibility you can provide, the more viable it is to be developed.

1341
02:03:34,810 --> 02:03:34,830
Good.

1342
02:03:41,410 --> 02:03:45,770
There's more questions, more consideration. No comments or questions. I know that

1343
02:03:45,770 --> 02:03:51,730
be able to put specific considerations and questions on our comment document. So, I'll

1344
02:03:51,730 --> 02:03:52,910
reserve those for there.

1345
02:03:54,610 --> 02:03:58,510
Anne, we wouldn't want you to feel you're always last because you're online.

1346
02:04:00,170 --> 02:04:02,790
No, I think I'm good at this point. Thanks.

1347
02:04:04,600 --> 02:04:04,940
Remember?

1348
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:08,920
I'll get you more for a minute.

1349
02:04:09,220 --> 02:04:10,140
Oh, okay.

1350
02:04:10,780 --> 02:04:14,020
Great. Okay. Well, I think...

1351
02:04:14,020 --> 02:04:14,340
Awesome.

1352
02:04:15,680 --> 02:04:16,560
Well, thank you very much.

1353
02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:21,020
We appreciate you putting this together and coming presenting it to us.

1354
02:04:21,900 --> 02:04:32,620
Well, we'll see you soon, and I'll work with Renee on getting you a link and figuring out exactly what the best way of providing comment is, but we'll make sure to get that to you as soon as possible.

1355
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:33,940
Thank you again for your time tonight.

1356
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:34,760
Thank you.

1357
02:04:39,390 --> 02:04:39,870
Okay.

1358
02:04:43,700 --> 02:04:45,720
I don't think there's anything we have to take a vote.

1359
02:04:46,240 --> 02:04:46,700
All right, good.

1360
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:54,740
Okay, the next slide, I'm just going to move on to the next slide,

1361
02:04:54,840 --> 02:04:56,440
some on our agenda, a set of reasons.

1362
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:58,900
Oh, no, it's gone. So I think we have to, right?

1363
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:02,660
Okay.

1364
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:19,240
The 2020-26 draft plan, I can probably short this a little by saying, it's firstly identical to the 2025 draft plan with the addition of items. I think it's five, six and seven.

1365
02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:20,420
Yes.

1366
02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:24,520
Yeah, we tried to add, so I...

1367
02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:26,460
Which I didn't actually quite understand.

1368
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:34,760
Hold on a second, let me get the thing.

1369
02:05:34,760 --> 02:05:36,200
So,

1370
02:05:53,270 --> 02:05:54,250
thank you.

1371
02:05:55,190 --> 02:06:06,330
These are, um, so yeah, adopt the comprehensive plan obviously is, hopefully going to happen in the first quarter of next year.

1372
02:06:11,050 --> 02:06:15,410
This is a carryover from last year and years prior.

1373
02:06:17,590 --> 02:06:21,950
These will continue to bring to you and update you on as we can,

1374
02:06:27,020 --> 02:06:29,380
updating on code and legislation.

1375
02:06:30,660 --> 02:06:32,300
We do as much as we can.

1376
02:06:32,720 --> 02:06:42,320
Whenever it's relevant, we for sure provide it in the update section at the end of each council meeting.

1377
02:06:42,640 --> 02:06:45,780
I'm council planning commission meeting sorry.

1378
02:06:48,680 --> 02:07:02,180
So five, six and seven are long range planning projects that we've been awarded grants for next year.

1379
02:07:03,380 --> 02:07:14,000
So they're all projects that we're going to be working on over the course of the next year and into the future that would pertain to land use items.

1380
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:26,820
So we added them mostly to make sure that you are aware of them and also to make to see if you want to

1381
02:07:26,820 --> 02:07:33,540
how you want to participate in them and if you want to participate in them. You don't typically

1382
02:07:33,540 --> 02:07:43,380
participate in land use code updates, necessarily, unless they're zoning related. This one is landscaping.

1383
02:07:45,780 --> 02:07:56,420
We got this, we got a grant to update our landscape code. Next year, it's from the Colorado

1384
02:07:56,420 --> 02:08:07,340
water conservation board and it's specifically in order to help with water wisely and escaping,

1385
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:22,320
I guess, is the best word. So like it'll right now our landscape code doesn't match what our priorities

1386
02:08:22,320 --> 02:08:30,640
are as a town. So over the course of time, our consultant who does our landscaping reviews,

1387
02:08:33,540 --> 02:08:38,120
she knows what we're looking for and so she just provides comments and feedback in accordance

1388
02:08:38,120 --> 02:08:46,300
to our priorities and what we need to see from landscaping perspective. But ideally, you have a code

1389
02:08:46,300 --> 02:08:58,000
And that matches those that you provide to interested developers and then they draft a landscape plan based on that code.

1390
02:08:58,940 --> 02:09:07,080
So right now we kind of have a mismatch in our code doesn't necessarily reflect what we want to see in a landscape plan.

1391
02:09:07,080 --> 02:09:24,100
And since you all review planning development proposals, which include landscape plans, the landscape code is being updated, one of the main goals is so that we can get better landscape plans.

1392
02:09:26,650 --> 02:09:34,910
We wanted to ensure that one, you know, we're doing it into welcome you to participate in the process as we go through.

1393
02:09:34,910 --> 02:09:41,570
we're going to hire a consulting team and go through, you know, some public outreach and update

1394
02:09:41,570 --> 02:09:48,670
the code to more accurately reflect town priorities for landscaping.

1395
02:09:49,950 --> 02:09:54,770
Wildfire purposes, water, consumption purposes, all of the above.

1396
02:09:58,310 --> 02:09:59,470
I think that's a good plan.

1397
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:30,080
Okay, the second one, number six is TBM Transportation Demand Management Ordnance. We were granted, we were awarded a grant to draft an ordinance, which is another code that will go in the land use code, and this will look at kind of multimodal opportunities around town.

1398
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:40,240
So I think you need to spell that out because no one's going to know what TDM is. Yes, you are right. Okay,

1399
02:10:45,730 --> 02:10:47,210
it's type apparently.

1400
02:11:01,260 --> 02:11:03,620
Do you need a TDM transportation?

1401
02:11:09,580 --> 02:11:11,260
I really like all the animals.

1402
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:20,300
I don't know what we really mean.

1403
02:11:21,400 --> 02:11:27,320
But that strikes me as something that there's the first we were Alex.

1404
02:11:31,920 --> 02:11:32,840
Well,

1405
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:56,500
actually our planning department is leading this grant project because it's more based on how to get what land use is and what how to get people from one place to another, not using a vehicle and what

1406
02:11:56,500 --> 02:12:19,620
What land use is makes sense next to each other as part of like like how do you integrate like the transportation network with adjacent land uses so the ordinances tied around how people can get to different types of uses without using a vehicle.

1407
02:12:22,820 --> 02:12:43,700
It's not all about multimodal, so it includes cars, but the focus is going to more focus around a marketplace and developments around the marketplace and the RTDs Center and how to get people to and from those areas with ease.

1408
02:12:44,840 --> 02:12:46,960
I mean, I'd be interested in it.

1409
02:12:48,200 --> 02:12:48,520
Yeah, yeah.

1410
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:48,860
It's

1411
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:52,540
the ordinance that we're relaxing.

1412
02:12:53,460 --> 02:12:54,860
The ordinance will actually come up with.

1413
02:12:55,140 --> 02:13:00,460
Yeah, so we don't have an ordinance for this transportation demand management.

1414
02:13:02,180 --> 02:13:07,920
So when we, so this would be another thing where if we got a development application that came in,

1415
02:13:08,300 --> 02:13:12,740
we would look at, they would have to meet some portion of this ordinance,

1416
02:13:12,740 --> 02:13:20,100
which would talk about how the development connects to adjacent uses from a transportation

1417
02:13:20,100 --> 02:13:27,260
perspective, not necessarily from a land like not does the buildings match the neighboring

1418
02:13:27,260 --> 02:13:37,220
buildings, but how do you how do people interact between the uses of each development?

1419
02:13:39,020 --> 02:13:47,800
So it would be adding like bike lanes and yeah, sidewalk, I mean, it's not the transportation

1420
02:13:47,800 --> 02:13:54,100
plan, so it doesn't talk about like not, you know, we need a sidewalk here and it should

1421
02:13:54,100 --> 02:14:01,700
be five feet or eight feet or whatever the transportation plan says, it's really about, you

1422
02:14:01,700 --> 02:14:08,880
know, the people and how they use the space and how the spaces integrate between each other

1423
02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:16,280
and how you, how you, how you move from one, one development, one area to another.

1424
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:28,180
You know, I think this is really relevant when the residential development came up on 76th street.

1425
02:14:28,180 --> 02:14:32,000
Just recently, I felt like that was a piece.

1426
02:14:32,560 --> 02:14:35,520
That was just completely missing.

1427
02:14:35,580 --> 02:14:38,880
If there was a little vision, as far as

1428
02:14:38,880 --> 02:14:42,960
however people going to get out of this development

1429
02:14:44,140 --> 02:14:52,120
and onto the bike path along 36 or onto right-of market place.

1430
02:14:52,420 --> 02:14:55,420
Or like, yeah, so there's nothing in our code.

1431
02:14:55,420 --> 02:14:59,980
you know, when they develop a parcel, they have to look at, there's, you know, there's

1432
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:23,120
We don't have anything in our code that talks about how people are going to connect. Like the parks department wants to make sure that parks are included and opens faces and is included and the public works department checks on utilities and, you know, transportation from the perspective of is there enough parking and how our car is going to get in and out of the site.

1433
02:15:23,120 --> 02:15:31,920
We look at, you know, planners look at sidewalks and things like that, so to parks and recreation,

1434
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:50,560
but there's nothing in the code that says how that development should integrate to external uses that are adjacent and requirements for it to do that.

1435
02:15:50,560 --> 02:16:07,060
I like what it should look like and how it should interact and we're hiring consultant again through this grant to help us draft the ordinance and help us better understand what it could look like.

1436
02:16:07,060 --> 02:16:12,440
So I don't know that it's new, but we don't have it.

1437
02:16:12,520 --> 02:16:19,120
And I've never worked in a municipality or done a project in a municipality that had transportation

1438
02:16:19,120 --> 02:16:21,000
demand management ordinance,

1439
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:27,900
but it feels relevant, especially now, as we're looking

1440
02:16:27,900 --> 02:16:34,340
at these developments sites, especially following the comprehensive plan, like these grants

1441
02:16:34,340 --> 02:16:41,560
that we got for next year really helped in guiding the, you know, the next steps in the, in the comprehensive plan.

1442
02:16:41,780 --> 02:16:59,060
We, we can adopt the comprehensive plan that says what goes where and then we adopt these to help direct to the actual developments that get proposed so that we not only know we're getting the uses that we want and that we're following, you know, our priorities as a town,

1443
02:16:59,060 --> 02:17:02,400
but that the developments themselves

1444
02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:06,120
are going to speak to the priorities of the town

1445
02:17:06,120 --> 02:17:10,120
and that people will be able to use the developments

1446
02:17:11,460 --> 02:17:15,140
and enjoy the, enjoy them, I guess.

1447
02:17:17,740 --> 02:17:19,760
And all of them seems a bit far,

1448
02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:21,580
bit strong actually.

1449
02:17:21,580 --> 02:17:24,640
How about a transportation demand management plan?

1450
02:17:24,640 --> 02:17:27,960
So there's there's

1451
02:17:30,480 --> 02:17:35,540
there's portions of the transportation plan that talk about transportation

1452
02:17:35,540 --> 02:17:47,860
demand management. I don't I don't know what a plan for TMD looks like. I don't I will be

1453
02:17:47,860 --> 02:18:12,780
Honestly, I don't know like everything about this grant that we received, other than it was awarded and Jeffrey worked on it and he knows what transportation demand management means from the perspective of the grant that was written to draft the ordinance.

1454
02:18:12,780 --> 02:18:16,380
I mean, all of you suggest you're going to set out rules and expect people.

1455
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:23,540
The ordinance is a municipal code, so all of these are code updates that we'll be adding

1456
02:18:23,540 --> 02:18:29,140
to the land use section of the code so that when developments come in, they have to meet

1457
02:18:29,140 --> 02:18:30,040
these requirements.

1458
02:18:30,700 --> 02:18:37,580
So this TMD ordinance will talk about when you develop, when you develop a parcel, you

1459
02:18:37,580 --> 02:18:42,540
have to consider these things that are around you and you have to consider how people are

1460
02:18:42,540 --> 02:18:48,980
to access those things. And if you don't have access to them, then you need to provide access.

1461
02:18:49,820 --> 02:18:57,340
So it creates, you know, a stronger tie for each development to adjacent uses.

1462
02:18:58,440 --> 02:19:04,240
Okay, so I'd say it'd be really good to get it in place before somebody comes back from a plant in six degrees.

1463
02:19:07,020 --> 02:19:08,820
Well, we're going to do it next year.

1464
02:19:10,760 --> 02:19:21,310
And then number seven is encouraging ADU development and there's like a repeat of words.

1465
02:19:21,510 --> 02:19:22,090
Thank you, Rob.

1466
02:19:22,210 --> 02:19:22,770
I know.

1467
02:19:23,530 --> 02:19:23,650
Yeah.

1468
02:19:24,150 --> 02:19:26,770
I copy and paste it and then it didn't, yeah.

1469
02:19:30,960 --> 02:19:36,520
This is what we called our application and our project is building together encouraging

1470
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:38,480
ADU development and superior.

1471
02:19:39,940 --> 02:19:40,260
Thank you.

1472
02:19:40,260 --> 02:19:42,920
You've got an extra space at the front as well.

1473
02:19:48,870 --> 02:19:49,430
Yeah,

1474
02:19:55,160 --> 02:19:59,980
that's actually that could be a little more complicated than it sounds because I've hurt

1475
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:07,920
Comments that some of the ADUs that have been built in original town are being used to short-term rentals. Do you know if that's true?

1476
02:20:08,780 --> 02:20:11,620
There's nothing preventing that from being the case.

1477
02:20:15,930 --> 02:20:17,010
The short-term rental order.

1478
02:20:17,130 --> 02:20:21,150
I don't think that was how they were originally originally envisioned.

1479
02:20:22,030 --> 02:20:29,150
So the ADUs can be used as short-term rentals or as long-term rentals either one.

1480
02:20:29,150 --> 02:20:40,790
The only stipulation on short-term rentals is that the owner of the property of the short-term rental has to reside in town.

1481
02:20:43,110 --> 02:20:50,050
There's other requirements as well. There's a whole list on our website of the requirements.

1482
02:20:50,050 --> 02:21:01,250
But what you're talking about is that owners living either on the property or in the town and the code is written that they have to reside in town.

1483
02:21:01,710 --> 02:21:08,430
But I think what you're getting at isn't the purpose that we're even encouraging it is to develop lower cost housing.

1484
02:21:08,930 --> 02:21:12,350
And if it's being used for short-term rentals, that's just goes, exactly.

1485
02:21:12,350 --> 02:21:14,690
They're not all being used as short-term rentals.

1486
02:21:14,690 --> 02:21:43,770
I mean, we can't, you know, like the encouraging of A to use is to increase the number of units and A to use are typically smaller, so they're, they either do, they do, you know, they do lots of things, you can rent them for less expensive, let for less, you can use them as short-term rental to increase your, your ability to stay in your home longer.

1487
02:21:43,770 --> 02:21:49,530
You can move into the ADU and rent out your primary house.

1488
02:21:50,990 --> 02:22:00,490
It allows for all kinds of different scenarios that people may want or need over time.

1489
02:22:01,830 --> 02:22:05,070
It's an additional housing type.

1490
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:11,010
scattered throughout town over time, so we're not going to have, you know,

1491
02:22:13,510 --> 02:22:14,470
like, an entire

1492
02:22:14,470 --> 02:22:18,450
neighborhood of ADUs built all at once.

1493
02:22:18,610 --> 02:22:19,750
What do you want to mean in town?

1494
02:22:20,310 --> 02:22:24,910
A original town is being rebuilt as a neighborhood where everybody has an ADU actually.

1495
02:22:25,070 --> 02:22:26,110
There are a lot of them.

1496
02:22:26,110 --> 02:22:27,290
There are a lot of them.

1497
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:27,990
There are a lot of them.

1498
02:22:28,010 --> 02:22:28,290
There are a lot of them.

1499
02:22:28,290 --> 02:22:30,430
There are a lot of them.

1500
02:22:31,490 --> 02:22:36,650
There are a lot of them.

1501
02:22:36,650 --> 02:22:42,010
rentals and not all of them are long-term rentals and not all of them are rentals at all.

1502
02:22:42,010 --> 02:22:43,170
No, all of them are occupied.

1503
02:22:43,610 --> 02:22:44,070
Correct.

1504
02:22:46,010 --> 02:22:54,450
So, this is just the grand that we received is to encourage the development of ADUs,

1505
02:22:54,690 --> 02:23:00,670
so to help people understand to help people build ADUs.

1506
02:23:00,670 --> 02:23:06,150
So there's three different prongs to the grant that we received.

1507
02:23:06,390 --> 02:23:12,150
One of them is to create pre-approved plans for ADUs.

1508
02:23:12,870 --> 02:23:19,930
So that if someone wants to build an ADU, they can use a pre-approved plan

1509
02:23:19,930 --> 02:23:25,090
so that their review fees are reduced.

1510
02:23:25,090 --> 02:23:36,050
The grant will also look at incentives for building adios.

1511
02:23:36,430 --> 02:23:42,030
Do we reduce fees for development like development fees?

1512
02:23:42,250 --> 02:23:52,010
Do we reduce fees if they're accessible or visible or affordable in some way?

1513
02:23:52,010 --> 02:23:52,230
Um,

1514
02:23:55,290 --> 02:23:59,290
the grant can be like they'll look out all of these different options.

1515
02:23:59,550 --> 02:24:04,970
It's like it will be like a best practices before we make any decisions, um, but it's

1516
02:24:04,970 --> 02:24:12,010
kind of an information gathering and the grant provides funding, both for the looking

1517
02:24:12,010 --> 02:24:19,250
into what makes sense for the town and providing those incentives over for a certain amount

1518
02:24:19,250 --> 02:24:20,010
of time.

1519
02:24:20,010 --> 02:24:28,590
And then the town can determine what makes sense to carry on into the future.

1520
02:24:30,270 --> 02:24:39,510
But the hope is that it kind of spurs those ADU developments in places and also helps people

1521
02:24:39,510 --> 02:24:46,630
who may have ADUs that are on permitted bring them into conformance with the codes so that

1522
02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:48,910
we know where ADUs exist.

1523
02:24:52,300 --> 02:24:57,240
It seems to be in keeping with the town's intentions.

1524
02:24:57,840 --> 02:24:58,960
That's right.

1525
02:25:03,120 --> 02:25:23,800
So, those are the three grants that we have been approved for next year that our planning department led that you'll likely find interesting and have comments and want to participate in in some way, shape or form.

1526
02:25:26,510 --> 02:25:35,590
Once we're done with the comprehensive plan of course, and then all of these are carryovers

1527
02:25:35,590 --> 02:25:39,210
from last year, I think.

1528
02:25:40,330 --> 02:25:40,610
Yes.

1529
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:45,310
The only thing I have to wonder about putting those out of the way we did any often, did we?

1530
02:25:50,150 --> 02:25:55,190
The more so far we've resumed some old town properties to help

1531
02:26:04,050 --> 02:26:05,150
work with town staff

1532
02:26:05,150 --> 02:26:10,390
to develop recommendations for the town council to act or revise criteria and land use

1533
02:26:11,310 --> 02:26:11,750
code.

1534
02:26:13,870 --> 02:26:19,890
I just do we need to do that anymore? I don't know if we need to do this anymore. I

1535
02:26:19,890 --> 02:26:28,270
think we've done a lot of it. We can remove it. These were just left in because I

1536
02:26:34,610 --> 02:26:34,910
think we

1537
02:26:34,910 --> 02:26:39,590
can keep the first bullet on. I don't know if we need the second bullet. I think that makes sense.

1538
02:26:39,590 --> 02:26:40,490
Yeah, I think

1539
02:26:43,240 --> 02:26:45,360
it's one of that explore opportunity.

1540
02:26:45,660 --> 02:26:50,720
Yeah, I'm not sure, but I'm not sure whether we're going much as far as we can do that.

1541
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:54,300
I think that one's still good.

1542
02:26:54,720 --> 02:26:56,560
I think we, I'm right to it.

1543
02:26:56,720 --> 02:26:58,100
It's like a regular panel.

1544
02:26:58,420 --> 02:27:01,360
So we're going to make your subcommittee of one to explore.

1545
02:27:01,860 --> 02:27:05,500
Also, we work like ACES provides, you know,

1546
02:27:06,520 --> 02:27:11,100
ACES doesn't provide to comments specifically on development proposals,

1547
02:27:11,100 --> 02:27:24,720
But when Alexis has the ability to, like in advance of a public hearing, she'll have them review projects.

1548
02:27:25,320 --> 02:27:35,100
And if she can't have them review projects, then she reviews projects and provides them with the comments that she provided to...

1549
02:27:35,100 --> 02:27:43,100
We looked at that guy, we've heard a couple times with his little micro network place.

1550
02:27:43,180 --> 02:27:43,820
Right.

1551
02:27:44,720 --> 02:27:47,980
I think that like, it's a micro grid.

1552
02:27:48,080 --> 02:27:48,880
Micro grid.

1553
02:27:48,900 --> 02:27:53,120
You all want to keep the priority of sustainable construction.

1554
02:27:53,760 --> 02:27:57,380
Then it makes sense to keep it in the work plan so that you can, you know,

1555
02:27:57,380 --> 02:28:09,840
Just remember, remind yourself that when you're doing a development review to keep the idea of sustainable sustainability in mind.

1556
02:28:11,000 --> 02:28:20,620
I don't know. If there's other areas that you want to include, we can add something other than sustainable construction like you know.

1557
02:28:20,620 --> 02:28:21,820
I'm kind of worried about.

1558
02:28:22,420 --> 02:28:25,480
One thing I'm worried about is if we,

1559
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:30,040
with water, Colorado River Water is going to be,

1560
02:28:30,040 --> 02:28:31,440
I think, cut at some points,

1561
02:28:32,400 --> 02:28:34,540
because Lake Mead Lake Palor, so low,

1562
02:28:36,200 --> 02:28:38,920
I want to make sure that we don't approve

1563
02:28:39,640 --> 02:28:42,480
developments, and we might not have enough water.

1564
02:28:43,300 --> 02:28:44,660
Without having to cut usage,

1565
02:28:46,340 --> 02:28:49,180
or have some sort of, I know we've got water conservation plans

1566
02:28:49,180 --> 02:28:50,880
and you met or dropped management plans.

1567
02:28:51,540 --> 02:28:52,860
I think we have that.

1568
02:28:54,380 --> 02:28:59,520
Well, that's a future, yeah, but I mean, I guess if we can't get enough water, I

1569
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:01,320
mean we'll have to stop landscape irrigation.

1570
02:29:02,140 --> 02:29:05,940
I assume that's the first step in our water drop response plan.

1571
02:29:07,950 --> 02:29:12,830
I would be, we should be, I think, what I was suggesting for the cop plans, keep

1572
02:29:12,830 --> 02:29:19,010
in track of our population, or what we're recommending, how what populations that lead

1573
02:29:19,010 --> 02:29:25,250
and does that actually start to exceed the amount of water we might get in a drought year?

1574
02:29:26,150 --> 02:29:27,930
I think we are in danger that already.

1575
02:29:29,070 --> 02:29:37,230
So I added the word development here and then I put including, and that would be all of these things.

1576
02:29:38,130 --> 02:29:43,310
So incentivize, encourage, and or incentivize sustainable development and construction,

1577
02:29:43,730 --> 02:29:47,510
including water conservation, electrification, energy efficiency.

1578
02:29:47,510 --> 02:29:51,450
How about, instead of conservation, call it, water resource availability?

1579
02:29:52,690 --> 02:29:53,850
That's what I'm really worried about.

1580
02:29:53,930 --> 02:29:54,810
Water resources?

1581
02:29:55,210 --> 02:29:56,010
Yeah, that we know that.

1582
02:29:56,190 --> 02:29:57,250
We won't have enough water delivered.

1583
02:29:57,410 --> 02:29:59,950
We have plenty of water rights or paper rights, but...

1584
02:30:00,210 --> 02:30:03,450
In terms of wet water, that's what I'm worried about.

1585
02:30:03,450 --> 02:30:05,910
You're really worried about water and things, ability.

1586
02:30:06,030 --> 02:30:07,650
Water availability, resources.

1587
02:30:08,290 --> 02:30:12,090
Yeah, and chimney hollow, if they can fill chimney hollow, we're probably okay.

1588
02:30:12,310 --> 02:30:15,870
Well, I don't think we have control over availability.

1589
02:30:16,270 --> 02:30:19,610
Jim, widener and public workforce, actually.

1590
02:30:19,910 --> 02:30:24,870
But we want to ensure that our projects for development as a planning commission.

1591
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:34,590
Let's take into consideration water resources or water conservation or like something like that

1592
02:30:34,590 --> 02:30:44,130
like we're not going to we we if Jim says we have water then we have water but we should

1593
02:30:44,130 --> 02:30:51,730
consider how our developments that are being proposed help us conserve the water that we can't

1594
02:30:51,730 --> 02:31:01,670
Right? So I think that saying water resources or water conservation or something along those

1595
02:31:01,670 --> 02:31:04,530
mech lines makes more sense for planning commission.

1596
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:10,930
I'm just worried we're going to overextend

1597
02:31:10,930 --> 02:31:16,490
ourselves and with the way things are going with the river. I lived through seven years of drought

1598
02:31:16,490 --> 02:31:19,110
California, and we all got rock, rock,

1599
02:31:19,450 --> 02:31:24,410
lawns. So I think the people will be fine. The lawns might be done.

1600
02:31:24,750 --> 02:31:31,970
Well, I think that's important. I think that's important. Yeah, I was going to say.

1601
02:31:32,250 --> 02:31:35,890
Well, number 0.5 and then including water resources.

1602
02:31:36,010 --> 02:31:39,190
We're looking at developments. The great.

1603
02:31:40,190 --> 02:31:40,590
Okay.

1604
02:31:42,250 --> 02:31:44,770
And do you have any comments or questions?

1605
02:31:45,950 --> 02:31:49,970
No, I don't, no, I don't, I don't, I don't think so.

1606
02:31:50,450 --> 02:31:51,050
Okay.

1607
02:31:52,990 --> 02:31:54,350
He's all look good.

1608
02:31:55,310 --> 02:31:55,950
Yes, okay.

1609
02:31:56,610 --> 02:31:57,170
Really, dude?

1610
02:31:58,270 --> 02:31:59,230
It's saved.

1611
02:31:59,710 --> 02:32:01,170
We, I saved.

1612
02:32:02,390 --> 02:32:04,390
Except changes too, I don't do that.

1613
02:32:04,590 --> 02:32:04,910
Yeah.

1614
02:32:05,610 --> 02:32:06,690
I think you got track change.

1615
02:32:06,690 --> 02:32:07,790
I think you got better.

1616
02:32:08,730 --> 02:32:09,150
Oh, yeah.

1617
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:15,240
There we go.

1618
02:32:15,820 --> 02:32:15,980
Save.

1619
02:32:16,380 --> 02:32:16,560
Okay.

1620
02:32:18,650 --> 02:32:18,890
Great.

1621
02:32:26,300 --> 02:32:33,260
I didn't put this in. Do we have to adopt the work plan? Or do we have to recommend approval

1622
02:32:33,260 --> 02:32:38,420
of the work plan? I think you all should. Yeah, I do too.

1623
02:32:42,860 --> 02:32:44,520
I don't think we actually have to

1624
02:32:44,520 --> 02:32:50,740
vote on it. I think we could just have a voice suit. Anybody object to it? I'm just hearing

1625
02:32:50,740 --> 02:32:51,720
No objections.

1626
02:32:52,140 --> 02:32:53,720
I hope you have here to get all lines.

1627
02:32:54,200 --> 02:32:55,260
Yeah, hands-on line.

1628
02:32:55,860 --> 02:32:56,220
Yes.

1629
02:32:56,480 --> 02:32:56,820
All right.

1630
02:32:57,060 --> 02:32:59,840
So we're going to, do you want to say,

1631
02:32:59,860 --> 02:33:02,140
also do a first and first and second?

1632
02:33:04,760 --> 02:33:05,060
All right.

1633
02:33:05,420 --> 02:33:06,760
Amanda says first.

1634
02:33:07,040 --> 02:33:07,200
Second.

1635
02:33:08,040 --> 02:33:08,800
OK, make.

1636
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:10,580
OK.

1637
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:11,580
Chairman Harper?

1638
02:33:11,980 --> 02:33:12,200
Yes.

1639
02:33:14,340 --> 02:33:15,120
Commissioner Vaughan?

1640
02:33:15,780 --> 02:33:16,020
Yes.

1641
02:33:18,380 --> 02:33:19,500
Commissioner Barnes?

1642
02:33:19,880 --> 02:33:20,200
Yes.

1643
02:33:21,220 --> 02:33:22,100
Commissioner Mojo?

1644
02:33:22,500 --> 02:33:22,800
Yes.

1645
02:33:22,800 --> 02:33:30,760
Commissioner Shanahan. Yes, and I think Steve's gone, so that but we still have a quorum. So done.

1646
02:33:32,020 --> 02:33:32,620
Woohoo!

1647
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:35,080
Five, close to it.

1648
02:33:35,540 --> 02:33:42,950
Um, and then the last, oh yeah, go ahead. You're up.

1649
02:33:43,390 --> 02:33:44,890
I'm, I'm, yes.

1650
02:33:45,790 --> 02:33:49,750
Is this because Lonnie is leaving or we've usually done this.

1651
02:33:49,830 --> 02:33:52,750
I don't mind doing it tonight, but I've usually done it in January.

1652
02:33:52,750 --> 02:33:58,750
We can do it in January if you want to wait until after the new year.

1653
02:33:59,790 --> 02:34:06,510
I know we usually wait Lonnie has gone, but as long as you're going to be here in January we can wait till January.

1654
02:34:07,530 --> 02:34:10,930
And then hopefully we'll have more folks here.

1655
02:34:12,150 --> 02:34:14,470
I think that makes sense.

1656
02:34:17,240 --> 02:34:19,720
What if we just nominate the people who are not here?

1657
02:34:26,760 --> 02:34:29,260
All right, so we'll postpone

1658
02:34:32,560 --> 02:34:35,060
that.

1659
02:34:35,060 --> 02:34:40,820
I did not create an updates slide because this was a very long meeting and I just

1660
02:34:40,820 --> 02:34:48,320
gave you a lot of updates about grants that we have coming next year and the timeline

1661
02:34:48,320 --> 02:34:58,620
for the comprehensive plan. Our next meeting is scheduled for January 20th. That will be the comprehensive plan.

1662
02:35:00,140 --> 02:35:18,920
Kind of final draft draft that you'll be recommending approval for, or not, and asking more questions, we'll see where we get to at that time, but either way, we will be meeting on January 20th to talk about the comprehensive plan.

1663
02:35:19,560 --> 02:35:24,140
And anything else that comes between now and then that I am not thinking of at this moment.

1664
02:35:24,140 --> 02:35:27,580
Are there any developments coming?

1665
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:29,500
Are there any new developments for those?

1666
02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:43,020
Um, we have a concept plan that I'll email you about going to council on the 12th January,

1667
02:35:43,960 --> 02:35:45,220
for the hairius.

1668
02:35:45,320 --> 02:35:47,480
For the hairius?

1669
02:35:47,520 --> 02:35:48,600
Yes.

1670
02:35:49,340 --> 02:35:58,300
So, I'll send that to you and you're welcome to come and listen when they come to do their concept discussion.

1671
02:35:58,960 --> 02:36:06,420
So, there's no comment per se, it's more of a discussion.

1672
02:36:09,220 --> 02:36:11,680
Is it being presented by a developer?

1673
02:36:13,820 --> 02:36:18,640
And just out of curiosity, have you heard anything more about Bixby's folly?

1674
02:36:19,700 --> 02:36:26,180
Um, not other than they're still working on financing, but they are still planning on coming.

1675
02:36:26,540 --> 02:36:26,960
Okay.

1676
02:36:27,860 --> 02:36:30,980
And is there any progress on the food wall in the marketplace?

1677
02:36:32,120 --> 02:36:33,500
Yeah, oh, yes.

1678
02:36:33,940 --> 02:36:35,600
We have an application.

1679
02:36:36,120 --> 02:36:37,300
It is under review.

1680
02:36:37,820 --> 02:36:40,100
We owe comments by the end of the month.

1681
02:36:40,780 --> 02:36:47,660
So, that is moving forward, officially have development plans under review.

1682
02:36:48,220 --> 02:36:50,900
Might that be an action item in January then?

1683
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:58,810
Probably, well, maybe January 20th, we'll see.

1684
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:59,570
It'll be close.

1685
02:36:59,670 --> 02:37:01,750
If it's not January for sure, be February.

1686
02:37:03,590 --> 02:37:09,810
I'd like to say it'll be January, but that makes it move really quickly, and I don't...

1687
02:37:10,870 --> 02:37:11,570
The holidays.

1688
02:37:11,750 --> 02:37:12,670
Yeah, the holidays.

1689
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:18,610
We are comments aren't due until the end of this month, that would leave them a short

1690
02:37:18,610 --> 02:37:24,950
period of turnover to respond to comments before sending us back something and us making

1691
02:37:24,950 --> 02:37:30,210
a determination and getting it out for all of the notices that are required.

1692
02:37:30,930 --> 02:37:39,490
So my guess is we might have to have meeting the first, first meeting in February for

1693
02:37:39,490 --> 02:37:45,990
depending on the timeline and what their turn around is on comments and all. There's a lot

1694
02:37:45,990 --> 02:37:54,170
of depending on for that. But it is coming. So January, February, sometime.

1695
02:37:58,000 --> 02:38:02,360
I hope Big Streets can get their financing results. I mean, you guys should see them get started.

1696
02:38:02,580 --> 02:38:07,200
Wouldn't that be wonderful? It would be really great.

1697
02:38:09,800 --> 02:38:11,000
Do we have any more updates?

1698
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:13,340
I don't think so.

1699
02:38:13,340 --> 02:38:14,340
Oh good.

1700
02:38:14,840 --> 02:38:15,620
We're a gentleman.

1701
02:38:16,720 --> 02:38:17,500
Thanks, Maria.

1702
02:38:17,960 --> 02:38:18,460
Thanks, Ian.

1703
02:38:19,080 --> 02:38:19,420
Thanks.

1704
02:38:19,700 --> 02:38:20,040
Bye.