[0:02] This conference will now be recorded
[0:07] » now 6 o'clock and it is my distinct Oh
yeah, sorry. It is now 6 o'clock and
[0:12] it's my distinct honor and privilege to
call to order the regular town council
[0:15] meeting of August 24th, 2026 for the
town of Surfside Beach. Please stand as
[0:20] we begin with an invocation
from Mark of Discover Church.
[0:27] That's right.
Father, what a privilege it is to uh
[0:32] come before you to this evening on
behalf of this gathering, the people
[0:36] gathered here. I thank you for the
leadership of uh this town council. I
[0:41] pray that you would bless them
[0:49] for all those that are gathered here
that you would bless them in this time
[0:53] that uh that uh just give them a a sense
of understanding
[0:58] uh that they would know the love of
Christ in this place. That they would
[1:03] know that uh that you've made a
sacrifice for every single person in
[1:07] this room, Lord. and uh and that they
would come to know you in that way if
[1:11] they don't. Father, would you bless this
time? Would it be uh would it give you
[1:16] honor and glory? And uh would you would
you help it to be fruitful and to
[1:22] accomplish all that it needs to be done?
Your word tells us that you've provided
[1:25] everything we need for life and for
godliness. And I pray that it would be
[1:30] so during this meeting. And as you do
that, we'll give you praise because we
[1:35] ask it in the powerful name of Jesus.
And everyone said, "Amen."
[1:39] » Amen.
>> Amen. [clears throat]
[1:42] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[1:48] republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:54] justice for all.
>> I thank you very much.
[2:02] » I will now entertain any motions related
to the agenda.
[2:07] All right. Hearing none, we'll move on
to minutes approval.
[2:12] » Mr. Mayor,
>> I
[2:13] » I move that we approve the minutes for
uh August 10th, 2026.
[2:22] [clears throat]
>> Second.
[2:23] » Any discussion?
All in favor?
[2:26] » I opposed. None. Motion carries and
meeting uh minutes are approved. We'll
[2:32] now move on to public comments related
to agenda items only.
[2:38] All right, I see no public comment, so
we'll go into communications. We'll
[2:41] begin with the uh sled uh presentation
from Mr. Ryan Cummings, uh lead cyber
[2:47] threat intelligence analyst.
>> Mr. Mayor, I be in two minutes.
[2:51] » We will wait two minutes.
[2:55] » No, I don't think we want to do that.
You know, you're not going to do the
[2:59] administrator's report in two minutes,
right?
[3:01] » I can.
>> You want to [laughter]
[3:04] go ahead. Go ahead. Do give me a free
Mr. Mayor and council. Um, couple
[3:11] updates for you. Uh, the bids for the
courthouse count council chamber project
[3:15] were publicly opened on August the 11th.
There were five bids received from the
[3:19] opening day. The price ranged from 4
million to 4.5 million including
[3:25] contingency. The apparent low bid is BEC
construction out of Merles Inland. Um,
[3:31] Creek and Associates will verify unit
costs, check references, review with the
[3:36] owners of similar projects, and then
report back to council on September the
[3:40] 8th on the September 8th agenda. The
budget for this project was $4.
[3:46] » Secondly, the purchase of the land with
the public works complex, we closed on
[3:50] this property on August the 17th. The
next steps for uh director Adair and um
[3:56] director Roder is to reszone the
property to PL public land sending
[4:02] planning commission for their review as
it relates to the comprehensive plan.
[4:05] Selectively remove the tree canopy
engineer and design the new building.
[4:10] The proposed building will match the
existing buildings for a building size
[4:13] of 120 ft by 25 ft and the budget for
this project is 250,000.
[4:20] And lastly, with the approval of the
contract with Bolton and Ming, staff
[4:23] will begin coordinating a kickoff
meeting for the public to attend and
[4:27] give their input for the morning field
master plan. And then you have the HR
[4:32] report attached.
>> Thank you. Any questions, comments for
[4:35] uh Mr. Vincent?
[clears throat]
[4:38] » Yeah, I guess I have one.
>> Um, so the bids came in between four and
[4:43] four and a half million. Um, did that
include the soft costs of furniture and
[4:48] that sort of thing? That does not
include the soft cost. So, we've been
[4:51] going on through that for last week. So,
we're adding up the solve cost to about
[4:56] 280,000.
>> Okay. Um, and how much do we currently
[5:01] have in the
the the fund to to to do this?
[5:05] » So, our total project was $4 million
that we budgeted aside.
[5:09] » But how much do we actually have? Right.
>> I don't have that number with me.
[5:12] Listen,
>> are you you're going to cover that?
[5:14] » We budgeted four million. We'll have to
come back to council.
[5:17] » Okay. Um because we're also John's
building. We have to we're looking at
[5:23] doing that as well. Correct.
>> We already budgeted that.
[5:25] » Okay. Yeah. Okay.
>> All right.
[5:30] I I got a question couple of questions.
So would you explain the contingency
[5:34] portion?
>> Yes. So the actual bid price was
[5:38] approximately 3.8 and I believe I sent
you guys their contingency on their
[5:42] project was like 198,000. Contingency is
any error or of unit cost per the bid.
[5:50] So there may be some unit costs. By the
time they do the implementation and
[5:54] building of this project, those costs
may have gone up. So that contingency is
[5:58] ours. If they don't use it, it goes back
to the town.
[6:01] » Okay. And then um so with the uh
reszoning and planning commission uh
[6:07] their review to the comprehensive plan
um we're looking for that in the next
[6:12] meeting or so
>> as soon as we can get the advertisement
[6:15] we'll put on the next agenda for
>> Okay. They meet September 1st I probably
[6:18] the October meeting.
>> It'll be October.
[6:20] » Okay. Okay. Uh and then uh assuming we
get that uh go ahead. Um what do we
[6:29] target the uh tree clearing and uh
property clearing and the building to
[6:35] start? Is that going to be going on this
uh in the winter season?
[6:39] » Probably November, December time.
>> We could start. We we underbrushed it on
[6:43] Saturday. There's nothing in the PL
designation that's used for the
[6:48] district. So nothing's going to stop us.
It's more of a formality than anything
[6:52] else PL because the use is allowed in
the district. So, we're just going to do
[6:57] the clearing, then we're going to do the
fencing, and then we're going to bid out
[7:00] the building. So, that'll put us into
the winter, probably.
[7:03] » Okay. Okay. So, probably December, maybe
January before starts. Okay. All right.
[7:09] That's all I have. Thank you.
>> Anybody else?
[7:11] » Yeah, Mr. Hi.
>> Yeah, I have a few questions, but
[7:14] they're about the HR report.
>> Um, first one is on full-time employees.
[7:19] I'm wondering if it would be possible
and not a lot of work to break that out
[7:23] by department instead of just for the
whole town.
[7:26] » That would be fun.
>> Okay. Thank you on that. Um and then on
[7:31] the back page highlights it says
launched a new employee assistance
[7:34] program effective July 1. Is that
something that the town council needs to
[7:40] review and approve or is that just
something that's done in house?
[7:44] » It's an employee assistance program. So
is it's a part of the medical health
[7:48] benefits we have which is changing from
one group to another.
[7:52] » So we don't the council doesn't have any
role to play in that change.
[7:56] » Not the AP. Yes sir.
>> Okay. Um and then
[8:05] I had a question of uh it says here
implemented pay study results and
[8:09] recommendations effective July 5th. I
was just wondering how the costs of that
[8:13] new pay study are tracking with the
original estimates.
[8:20] » What we budgeted is exactly the pay
study.
[8:22] » So it's Oh, okay. So it's tracking
perfectly then is the answer.
[8:27] » Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[8:31] » I've got a second. Nobody else has a
first.
[8:33] » Anybody else?
>> Just Laura. Go ahead.
[8:35] » Okay. Kind of related to the pay study.
Um, we we've talked about this two or
[8:39] three times, but at one point we
discussed a 2 to threeyear plan for the
[8:45] older employees or the longerterm
employees to try to help get them a
[8:49] little closer to where they should be. I
know we didn't do a lot of it up front
[8:53] because of the cost and that kind of
thing. I just I just want to make sure
[8:56] we don't lose the bubble on that. You
know, I I because I'm just concerned
[9:01] that there are guys that have been here
20 25 years and and they really didn't
[9:05] reap the benefit of this pay study
thing.
[9:08] » We're not going to lose sight of that. I
mean, basically maybe a six-month review
[9:12] just to see what the cost would be to
hit those higher employees that were
[9:16] been here the longest.
>> Okay. Well, and maybe for the budget
[9:20] next year, you know, see what we can do.
I I understand it's probably going to be
[9:23] a two to threeyear process. Um, I just
want to make sure we don't forget it.
[9:27] » Right. I think we need to set
guidelines. So, is it 20 years or more
[9:31] or is it 15 years or more for those
employees?
[9:34] » Okay. All right. Thanks.
[9:38] » All right. With that, we'll move on. And
uh, is Mr. Cummings here now?
[9:42] » Yes.
>> Come on up.
[9:50] » Where you guys want me? There you go.
Right. Right here. [laughter]
[9:55] Okay,
[10:00] » got it. Um, I made a [laughter]
presentation. Uh, I mean, I don't
[10:03] necessarily need Oh, you guys have to
print it out. That's perfect.
[10:08] » Do you need a copy?
>> No, I don't need one.
[10:10] » Unfortunately, I've talked about this so
many times.
[10:15] » Excuse me, Mr. Mayor.
>> Yes.
[10:17] » Is the presentation going to be
projected for the audience?
[10:21] » Doesn't sound like he has a projection
of it. I have um a copy of it on USB
[10:25] drive, but that could work.
>> We don't have a laptop.
[10:29] » We don't keep a laptop. There we go.
>> All right, let's do it.
[10:33] » You're super laggy.
>> All right. [laughter]
[10:36] Okay, we'll take a minute.
[10:47] » Is this on?
>> Yeah,
[10:51] it's probably not on.
Oh, really?
[11:33] Good job.
>> Good job.
[11:40] I just got a notice to make sure all
council members, everybody speaking the
[11:44] microphone when we're speaking. Some of
it's not being picked up too well.
[11:50] [clears throat]
[11:57] Okay.
I hope everybody can see it, but if not,
[12:00] I'll do pretty good job of [laughter]
just kind of explaining it and breaking
[12:04] it down as to how it happens. And some
of the pictures are kind of just there
[12:07] to look at and they're not necessarily
for a major purpose. Um, but I'm here
[12:12] today to talk about how payment fraud
affects South Carolina organizations.
[12:15] So, um, I work for SLED and I work for
our critical infrastructure cyber
[12:20] security division. Uh, we deal with
payment fraud almost once a week at this
[12:25] point. And so, what I'm going to do
today is kind of break down how it
[12:29] happens, the different ways bad actors
are doing it. and um just kind of shed
[12:33] light on the situation and at the end
kind of not necessarily give my
[12:37] recommendations to the town because I'm
not sure exactly how it's done but how
[12:40] the recommendations that we give pretty
much any organization that this happens
[12:44] to and it's pretty simple just you know
extra verification
[12:50] so um what we do at least my
organization is we provide security
[12:54] services and disseminate cyber threat
intelligence to South Carolina's
[12:58] critical infrastructure
we facilitate the cyber leazison officer
[13:02] program which is essentially we have
contacts at all these organizations we
[13:07] support and we work with them to kind of
better their cycle programs. We lead a
[13:12] lead a task force that's comprised of
federal and state partners. I'll kind of
[13:16] go over that in the next slide but
generally um we're here to improve the
[13:20] overall cyber posture of South Carolina.
[13:25] So this is the task force. It's um bunch
of state federal organizations,
[13:30] Department of Administration. We work
really closely with the Department of
[13:33] Homeland Security, the FBI especially on
a lot of these cases when it comes down
[13:37] to prosecution and actually the Secret
Service. Um they are the ones we
[13:41] primarily pass these cases to and they
handle a lot of the prosecution aspects
[13:45] of it.
So um to start off with how payment
[13:49] fraud works, I decided to go over like
the most common scenario that we see
[13:52] birds and um that's when a vendor who
works with an organization or you know a
[13:58] statement surfite has one of their email
accounts compromised. So what's on the
[14:02] screen right now is an email that was
reported to us from one of the cos one
[14:08] of our partners at an organization
around the state. They sent this to us
[14:12] and said hey we don't not really sure
what's going on here. We looked at it.
[14:16] Um, we verified that this email came
from a legitimate vendor that they did
[14:20] the organization did work with. Um, one
thing we found particularly interesting,
[14:26] um, the email was right. It went to the
right person at the organization. The
[14:30] invoice had pretty much all the correct
details on it. The right amount, what it
[14:33] was for. The only thing that was
different was the phone number and the
[14:37] email signature. They changed one
singular digit. So, when they sent this
[14:41] to the procurement person at the victim
organization, they tried to call the
[14:45] number and they didn't get anything. Um,
and so they did that intentionally. It
[14:49] was just a broken phone number that led
to nowhere. And so, the idea with these
[14:54] is they got into the vendor's email,
they just revise the invoice, and then
[14:58] they sent it to the organization in
hopes that they would pay it. And that's
[15:01] the most common scenario that we see.
Um, outside of that, there's another
[15:07] pretty common one. um they'll compromise
the vendor, right? They'll get in there,
[15:12] kind of perform reconnaissance, you
know, like analyze who the person they
[15:15] compromise emails, who they work with,
and they'll take that information and
[15:20] then they'll create an email address
pretty similar to the one that they
[15:24] compromised and use that email the
correct contacts and with fake invoices
[15:29] trying to get them to pay it.
Um, another really common one is vendor
[15:35] spooping. So that's pretty much kind of
like I just said, but without a
[15:39] compromise. So the actual vendor doesn't
get compromised whatsoever. So I um kind
[15:43] of did an example and kind of went over
like how could this be done at SLED and
[15:47] kind of just break it down for
everybody.
[15:50] So SLED in particular in the state, they
have the division of procurement
[15:54] services. So it basically shows pretty
much every state contract and the
[15:58] vendors that work with the state. So I
just went there first and looked at
[16:01] state term contracts. Um, digital
fingerprinting was one that stood out to
[16:06] me. It's real small, but I put in a red
square there. Um, because that sounds
[16:09] like something that sled would do,
digital fingerprinting. So, I was like,
[16:12] okay, I mean, that's something I can
kind of put myself in the mind of a
[16:16] thread actor or somebody who's looking
to perform fraud. So, I went and looked
[16:21] further into digital fingerprinting and
the actual project name. Um, so the
[16:25] state actually says this is for sled use
only. So, the state pretty much just
[16:30] gave out, okay, Sled has a digital
fingerprinting project. Um, they also
[16:35] gave the name of the actual person that
SLED is working with and the vendor who
[16:40] sled is working with. So, if you're at a
you can already start to get the wheel
[16:44] spin a bit. We know Sled works withia
Identity Solutions and we know that they
[16:48] talked to a guy called J Truit at
Idemia. And nothing against this company
[16:53] or anything like that. It was just a
random. Um, so now that we have all this
[16:57] information together, we also have the
contract end date and the contract start
[17:01] date. In this case, it ends in 2029, so
they're likely not going to use this
[17:06] one, but I imagine the end date is in a
couple weeks from now. So, next, they
[17:10] can create an email. And this was just
messing around to see if this would
[17:13] work. Um, I created my email address. It
looks pretty similar to the actual one.
[17:18] I emailed procurement with a fake
invoice. And I use the email signature I
[17:23] just created. It looks pretty official.
I um used the actual phone number of
[17:27] this guy, but I just changed it by one
digit. And I took a picture off of
[17:31] Google and put it down in the corner.
And what we have here is a pretty
[17:34] legitimate email, the one for
procurement that would probably get our
[17:38] own procurement team if I'm being
honest. Um it was well put together and
[17:42] it took practically 5 to 10 minutes of
research. And so, I mean, I go over this
[17:47] purely just to show how easy it is. I
mean, it takes pretty much no skill. I
[17:52] mean, just sit down, do some research,
and then send out emails. So, imagine if
[17:56] you're a threat actor and this is your
full-time job. You can send out hundreds
[18:00] of these per day. Um, and yeah, you're
bound to get successful with one or two
[18:05] of them.
So, the next thing that we see, it's
[18:09] still kind of along the lines of payment
fraud. Um, it doesn't relate to any
[18:13] vendors actually. So, this would for
example be something that would affect
[18:16] like certified users in particular. So,
um, we see these things all the time.
[18:22] They're called credential harvesters.
They're essentially a login screen
[18:26] that's designed to look legitimate. So,
it's designed to look like the actual
[18:30] Microsoft 365 login screen. And so,
attackers will send these in fishing
[18:34] emails. Users will enter their enter
their credentials into it. And then the
[18:38] attackers can basically control their
account. And skipped over a few steps
[18:42] there, but so we see that that's a step
one. and um instead of like pretending
[18:47] to be a vendor, performer
reconnaissance, they'll just use that
[18:50] same account and go straight into the
self-service portal or wherever they can
[18:55] change the direct deposit, whether
that's emailing HR or there's actually
[18:59] like a portal like I have on the screen
here. And now they'll simply just change
[19:03] the direct deposit information.
[clears throat]
[19:05] And um one of the main things we see is
we kind of mention this to so IT people
[19:11] and people we work with share this with
their HR or finance or accounting is
[19:16] that pretty much all these directors are
using a thing called green dot bank. And
[19:20] this is a picture of direct direct
deposit form. Um, it's something that we
[19:26] see even in those vendor compromises
that they're still using green.bank.
[19:31] We tried to look into it, but for the
most part, they're hard to subpoena and
[19:35] kind of track down. And if this stuff
isn't reported within like one to two
[19:39] days, the money has already moved like
three different hops. So, it makes
[19:42] prosecution and tracking these people
down very difficult for the law
[19:45] enforcement side of things. So, that's
where my organization comes in. So, my
[19:49] team, we don't prosecute, we don't
subpoena, we don't do anything on the
[19:51] law side. or purely cyber security. So
we try to then help help organizations
[19:56] reduce fraud risk. And [clears throat]
the biggest thing and the best thing
[20:00] that helps in all these situations is
just general process and policy
[20:04] controls. Um we would encourage any
organization to require mandatory
[20:08] verification for all payments or vendor
banking changes. Um verify requests
[20:14] using a known phone number on file. Um,
we saw in my example and the other one
[20:18] that happened in real life that the
phone number they had put in the email
[20:21] has been changed. So, you can't just
call the one from the email. You got to
[20:24] enforce out of band confirmation.
Basically, have the number on file and
[20:28] then call that number to verify if
you're speaking to the right person.
[20:33] Um, similar to policy is just access and
oversight. Um, there shouldn't be like
[20:36] five different people at an organization
that can um modify like invoices or
[20:42] direct deposit. you know, it should
always go through a two-step
[20:44] verification process.
And finally, and the reason I'm here and
[20:49] the reason I do these talks pretty much
everywhere, is just training awareness
[20:52] to let people know that this is a thing
that's happening all the time. And um we
[20:57] always recommend using a real world
example like I did here, just showing
[21:00] how easy it is to do this type of thing
and how common it genuinely is. I think
[21:04] over like the last six months, we've
seen close to two to three million
[21:08] dollars lost on this type of scam. Um,
and that's affecting people and users
[21:13] from like weekly salary to major
projects that organizations have sent to
[21:18] the wrong person.
Um, that's the NI slideshow. Sorry. Um,
[21:23] but I'm happy to answer any questions
that the council or anybody else has.
[21:28] » All right. Thank you, sir. Any questions
for Mr. Cummings?
[21:32] » Sure. Mr. Lawhart. Um on the second
slide uh there's this you talk about
[21:38] disseminating cyber threat intelligence
through through this critical
[21:42] infrastructure set. Yeah. How does that
stuff get disseminated down to the
[21:45] municipalities?
[21:49] » There's a couple ways. Um we're we have
close relationships with the
[21:52] municipality association um which
they're a partner and we send them stuff
[21:57] and we kind of hope that they hit the
organizations that aren't currently
[22:01] members of our program. Otherwise, it's
kind of a anybody can join our program
[22:05] and if you join our program, we're
sending you stuff constantly. Um, we try
[22:09] to build awareness by just going to
events and speaking and advertising as
[22:12] much as we can, but it's hard to get
every single municipality or school
[22:16] district or government entity in South
Carolina. Um, there's no like law
[22:21] enforcement that we have to say that you
have to join. It's purely optional. And
[22:24] so, I mean, I think a lot of
organizations that don't fully
[22:27] understand what the program's about are
like, "No, we're good in cyber security.
[22:31] We don't need it." At the end of the
day, it's it's information sharing. So,
[22:35] » yeah, it's an ongoing process that we're
trying to get it out and trying to
[22:38] increase our reach. But,
>> and Jerry, do we participate in any of I
[22:42] mean, are are we getting this type of
information?
[22:47] » We're members of MUN Association.
>> Yeah.
[22:50] » And if we're not, what do we need to do
to do that?
[22:52] » Well, right now, we've asked Heritage to
kind of put some training above and
[22:56] beyond what you guys see on your
computers,
[22:58] » right? Because because my concern I mean
he said it u the threat changes all the
[23:02] time right you know mos change all the
time so what we might fix the problem a
[23:06] problem from before and not be aware of
the upcoming problems or things that are
[23:11] on the horizon. So that would be my
concern is that somehow we tap into the
[23:16] intelligence side of things that's out
there and that we develop a training
[23:21] program that actually matches that. So I
don't know how we do it but um
[23:26] » but also the finance department the
employees are a part of the government
[23:29] finance offices association so they have
seminars on this all the time which is
[23:34] the most upto-date what's going on now
with cyber crimes. All right. And then
[23:41] um and this is probably a question for
you all. Um the
[23:47] slide right, but basically the
recommendations on how to do this. I
[23:51] know we've I know we've made some a lot
of changes and I also know you've got an
[23:54] upcoming briefing here to talk about
another way to help fortify what we're
[23:58] doing, but the the bullets he has here
about how to reduce fraud risk. How much
[24:04] of that has been incorporated into what
we're doing currently? Well, it's going
[24:09] to be a part of uh Melany's uh cash and
distribution policy. I mean, that's
[24:15] that's been updated to um Right.
>> Yes.
[24:18] » But yeah, no, but I Yeah, I know that. I
guess my question is [clears throat]
[24:22] he's got some reasonably specific
recommendations in here um for how to
[24:27] reduce risk. I I just want to make sure
that we're we're taking the best of what
[24:31] we can get to to update our process.
>> Yes, we'll look at this and match it to
[24:34] our new policy.
>> And then lastly, the training and
[24:36] awareness. Um, I know you guys are
looking at that. Um, I to me that's the
[24:42] most important part of this is us
understand what to look for and that
[24:47] gets back to the intelligence part and
it gets back to training. So, I would
[24:51] just strongly encourage we take full
advantage of whatever's out there today.
[24:54] » Yes, sir.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm going to add to that and
[24:58] say that uh um
if SLED is working directly with MASC
[25:04] that we make sure we're taking advantage
of every bit of information that comes
[25:09] through that that channel.
>> And then um uh for Mr. Cummings, you
[25:15] know, as I'm looking at how you reduce
fraud risk, uh mandatory verification,
[25:19] known phone numbers, uh out of band
confirmation, uh etc. It really, if I
[25:25] could summarize this, slow everything
down. Don't respond to the urgency.
[25:31] » Yeah, that's nail on the head 100%.
Almost all the time, this happens when
[25:35] somebody is overworked, moving too
quickly, and does something they
[25:39] probably wouldn't normally do if they
had the time, just sit there and wait a
[25:43] minute and think about it. You know,
it's
[25:45] » and that would that I believe that was a
factor in our in our case. We were
[25:48] responding to urgency uh repeated
requests uh for payment. So, um, yeah.
[25:55] So, that may, uh,
anger some of our regular, uh,
[26:00] contractors, but just too bad. We're
just going to it's going to take an
[26:03] extra week or two or whatever,
>> and we're going to deal with it. I mean,
[26:07] is that doable on our end?
>> Oh, yeah.
[26:10] » Okay,
>> that's all I have. Thank you.
[26:12] » And then one thing just on that topic,
um, this presentation, I made this six
[26:16] months ago before any of this even
happened at Cerside. this this continued
[26:21] to be such a relevant thing that so
literally none of this really has
[26:25] anything to do with the particular
incident that happened here but it just
[26:28] applies in so many different ways and
different things that we see that keep
[26:31] happening so it's not a single out
search this presentation was entirely
[26:35] about that it's just unbelievable how
often this happens
[26:38] » I appreciate it but you know and kind of
the shoe fits kind of deal so you know
[26:43] we get it m
>> I have got a question and my question is
[26:50] how come you can't keep tracing the
money when it gets out? What what
[26:54] happens that it gets gone and that you
can't trace that money?
[26:59] » Yeah. So, it's kind of a complicated
process and it's kind of interesting
[27:04] because the people who are actually
doing this are not the same people that
[27:07] are handling the money. Um, I'm not the
best at this because I don't do much of
[27:11] the money aspect, but there's people in
the United States and they're called
[27:15] they're in our industry referred to as
like money rules. So they basically
[27:18] launder the money for these out of
state. Most of these people are either
[27:22] in Eastern Europe, Russia, um name of
choice, but they have groups of people
[27:28] who specialize in moving money. That's
all they do. And so they're able to once
[27:32] they hit a bank account, hit another
bank account. And who knows if those
[27:35] bank accounts were created by the threat
actors or they were just compromised
[27:39] other bank accounts. So these the money
before it hits its final place is going
[27:44] through three or four different places
and then being transformed into
[27:47] cryptocurrency which is even harder to
track. Um and it just moves so fast. Uh
[27:52] this type of thing will get reported to
us when the organization gets reported
[27:56] to by the vendor. So like three months
later the vendor is like hey where's the
[28:00] money? And the organization says we
already paid it. um then it's reported
[28:04] to us and by that time the money has hit
five different bank accounts has been
[28:07] converted into two different
cryptocurrencies and
[28:11] is God knows where. Um that said we've
had luck in prosecuting these people and
[28:15] actually taking these people to court
but it needs to be reported within like
[28:19] the first two to three days or the money
is pretty much lost. And the banks are
[28:24] doing their best, too. I we work with
them to kind of make them aware of what
[28:26] it looks like. But there's just so many
ways that people are getting around it
[28:30] and being creative with it by using
actual real people's bank account to
[28:33] funnel money through it. And that person
has no clue what's happening or there's
[28:37] just so many different ways to get
around it and they move quick. And it's
[28:40] like as soon as we adapt and we figure
out the way they're doing it, they're
[28:43] already on to the next one.
The money is the hardest part. like we
[28:48] can track the cyber part pretty simply
and like understand that this is how
[28:51] it's happening but the money is is still
working on it.
[28:58] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Hyatt,
>> yeah, I have a few questions. You said
[29:02] you were training this kind of
information six months before the hitman
[29:06] occurred in Surfside Beach. What did we
miss that we didn't get that training?
[29:11] How should we what did we should have
been a part of in order to have received
[29:14] that training six months earlier? Yeah,
the um the our South Carolina critical
[29:19] infrastructure cyber security program.
And I mean, you know, understanding that
[29:23] and coming here, I realized that we
probably need to do a better job of
[29:26] getting word out there and recruiting,
you know, towns and organizations to
[29:29] join our program because it's not just
on search. If this information never
[29:33] crossed certainly is not their fault
that this information didn't get to them
[29:37] and help them soon.
>> I'm not trying to say it's anybody's
[29:39] fault. I'm just wanting to know how we
could have been a member and gotten the
[29:43] information six months previously. I
mean, yeah, to become a member, you just
[29:47] I mean, contact anyone. We have a public
website where you request to join the
[29:51] program and you fill out a form and it's
as easy as that. You're getting invites
[29:54] to our webinars. You're getting emails
about free cyber security services. Um,
[29:59] you're getting bulletins sent out to you
and we see this type of stuff happening.
[30:03] It's pretty Yeah, you just signed up on
the website and um it's scic.sc.gov
[30:08] up and there's a request to join form,
but I'm pretty sure at this point Town
[30:13] Sera has joined the program.
>> Okay. Um,
[30:18] there's a SLED was a lead agency in this
investigation, not our own police
[30:22] department. They turned it over to SLED.
We at some point should get a report,
[30:28] you think, since we're the victim of
what uh SLED has determined. How do we
[30:33] get that report?
>> Um, that's something I can take back to
[30:36] my team. So, I wasn't the one who like
firsthand investigated this case or
[30:40] anything like that. So, um I can go back
to the mask and we'll see if I can get
[30:44] you guys something or at least a write
up of what we found exactly.
[30:47] » Okay. And then um I have a question on
how this how this criminal works. So,
[30:54] the criminal is outside the system. Does
the criminal
[30:59] enter the system with the vendor or does
he enter the system with the payer or
[31:06] does he enter the system with the vendor
and then go to the payer? How do they
[31:10] enter the system?
>> Everything you said is an opportunity
[31:14] for them. So yeah, they can enter with
the vendor and find out who the vendor
[31:18] is working with and I mean that's
usually the most profitable route for
[31:22] them because the vendor has multiple
different customers paying them and they
[31:25] can pretend to send new ones to each of
those customers or they can get into the
[31:29] actual victim's network, right?
Understand who they're going to be
[31:32] paying pretty soon and then create a new
email pretending to be that person.
[31:36] Exactly. I mean there's just multiple
routes for it and all it takes is one
[31:39] compromised email.
>> So to answer your question, all of them
[31:44] All the above.
>> Yeah. Every single case it's we've seen
[31:47] it with the victim organization, the
vendor or somebody who just Googled who
[31:51] the organization works with. I mean,
it's all of them.
[31:55] » Thank you. That's all I have. Mr. Mayor,
>> Mr. Mayor Sean, [clears throat]
[32:00] » Mr. Hy brought up a good point as far as
how do we get involved in this sled
[32:04] training? Um, and I don't want to assume
that we're already doing this. Are we
[32:10] doing this? Are we part of this train?
We have not joined the sled program, but
[32:14] we will.
>> Okay.
[32:17] Thank you.
[32:21] » Thank you, Mr. Cummings.
>> Thank you. I'm here happy to speak to
[32:25] you guys. I love service many times.
[laughter]
[32:30] » Thanks for the plug.
[32:34] » All right, we will uh move back to our
director's reports. Well, we skipped or
[32:38] we did the administrator's reports.
We'll begin director's reports. So, uh,
[32:42] Director Guber, kick us off.
[32:58] » [clears throat]
[33:02] » Good evening. Um, we're reporting on the
month of July and of course July is a
[33:08] beginning of a new fiscal year. So, at
this point, you're going to see the
[33:11] trend will be that our expenses are
higher than our revenues until tax bills
[33:16] go out. We start receiving that tax. Um,
in July, we had 32 new businesses.
[33:24] um nine in town, 12 out of town, six
contractors, and five rentals. Um for
[33:30] accommodations tax, we don't see the
first quarter of that until about
[33:34] October, November time period. And then
for hospitality and local aid tax, the
[33:40] first two months of what the um county
sends to us gets back prior year because
[33:46] it's prior year money. And then same
with June, what we collect in June for
[33:50] hospitality locally tax gets approved
back to June. Um, sorry, what we what we
[33:56] collect in July gets approved back to
June. So, right now, you'll see that
[34:00] there's no no revenue really yet for
hospitality and tax. Um,
[34:07] for capital projects, I just put a
little reminder of what the projects are
[34:11] for this fiscal year. We're um doing the
road paving.
[34:16] uh Martin Park master plan, the Fuller
Park pickle ball courts, um finishing
[34:22] the floral clubhouse renovation,
sidewalks, we started the life cycle
[34:27] maintenance program for all our
buildings, and of course the court and
[34:30] council chamber building. Um storm water
collected 18,000 through July. There's
[34:37] no major projects at this time. So we
are approving that money for the next
[34:42] big project. Um on the enterprise funds
uh we had 74,000 in operating revenue
[34:48] and of which 36 of that 74 was for
parking and then um expenses are 16,000
[34:56] for July. Sanitation revenues are
277,000.
[35:01] Our expenses are 76,000.
And then our parking for July is 111,000
[35:09] and our expenses are 1.4.
Um the investment pool the interest rate
[35:16] remains consistent at 3.9 which is good.
Um
[35:21] so basic overview during the month of
July the finance department works in two
[35:25] fiscal years. Um we work throughout
August to collect prior year revenues
[35:31] and pay prior year expenses to acrew
back to June to complete fiscal year 26.
[35:37] Um the finance department also has a
very been very busy collecting the data
[35:41] and answering questions for the audit.
Um which they were there last week. So
[35:47] so we've been answering lots of
questions. Uh everything's been going
[35:50] great with them and that's all I got.
>> All right. Thank you very much. I think
[35:55] the uh July report is always kind of
skinny.
[35:59] » It is. [laughter]
>> It's kind of hard to to draw any
[36:03] conclusions at this point. Are there any
questions, comments for director
[36:06] Groover?
>> Mr. Mayor,
[36:08] » go ahead. Sean, go ahead.
>> Um, under the
[36:12] uh the first page, you said five
rentals. Are they new rentals
[36:20] or are they just rentals?
>> They're new business license rentals.
[36:25] » They're new.
>> Mhm.
[36:30] Is that when like somebody sells their
rental and then there's new like change
[36:34] of
>> Yeah. So they bought something, they
[36:36] decided to rent it out or maybe they
already own it and they've decided, hey,
[36:39] I'm going to rent this out.
[clears throat]
[36:42] » Thank you.
>> Hi. Um, under capital project fund, I
[36:49] [clears throat] think all the projects
that you've listed are funded in the
[36:53] budget. Is that correct?
>> Yes.
[36:54] » Okay. And um
under sanitation fund operating revenue
[37:00] is 277,000
while expenses are 76,000. That makes
[37:05] John a dare look like he's skinning a
fat hog. Is that really the
[37:10] [laughter]
>> especially since we had an increase?
[37:12] » That's the whole point of an increase is
to start gaining that fund balance again
[37:17] for this fund so it can sustain itself
for the next 10 to 13 years,
[37:22] » right? Um, and then under parking,
parking revenue is 111,000, expenditures
[37:29] are 1.4,000. That's $1400. Is that
really correct?
[37:33] » Mhm.
>> Wow. Okay. Thank you.
[37:35] » That's just for July.
>> Thank you.
[37:40] Others,
Mr. Mayor, Mr. Co. Um, the enterprise
[37:45] fund for the year, we're getting 36,000
parking. That makes it only 38,000 from
[37:52] everything else.
>> Yes.
[37:54] » That's like rent and stuff.
>> Yeah, that's your um rents, your um
[37:59] fishing revenue. Um any kind of events
there,
[38:05] binocular revenue.
>> Wish you had a bigger parking lot.
[38:09] [laughter]
[38:12] » Same amount of money for people parking
to come here and get from the roots.
[38:16] That's Thank you.
[38:22] All right, then. Thank you, Director
Guber. We will now move on to the fire
[38:26] department report with Chief Nelson.
[38:35] Good evening. Just want to let everybody
know that we have 42 personnel currently
[38:39] in the fire department. Of those 42
personnel, 18 are career and 24 are
[38:44] volunteer and 24 volunteer. We have
roughly 16 that are interior
[38:48] firefighters. Uh so we've changed that
around quite a bit. Uh we do have one
[38:52] opening currently at this time. It's for
a firefighter paramedic position. Uh we
[38:57] fill that position that will give us two
paramedics on each shift which will help
[39:01] us in the long run. Um lastly, uh PA
fire incident uh that we've been doing
[39:07] the collections and stuff. We collected
another $250. That gives us a grand
[39:11] total so far this year, 2,870
fire inspections that we started going
[39:16] for. We have $6,900.
[39:20] » Thank you. I'm going to break my own
rule and it's not part of your report,
[39:23] but what happened?
>> Uh, bicep tore off, so heard.
[39:28] » Okay, maybe I shouldn't have asked.
[laughter]
[39:34] » All right, I'm done already, Mr. Sty. Go
ahead,
[39:37] » Chief. the money that you've been
collecting on this uh accidents and
[39:42] whatever you doing. Yes, sir.
>> Do you know how much you got in that
[39:45] fund now?
>> I would say anywhere from 8 to 10,000,
[39:49] but I don't have a direct number.
>> Are you still planning on building a
[39:54] train facility out here?
>> Yes, sir.
[39:56] » Are we have we got enough money to get
started on that?
[40:01] » No, not yet.
>> Okay. Uh, I've gotten a couple estimates
[40:05] and we're looking anywhere from 250 to
$300,000
[40:10] to build the whole system.
Uh, you got to figure all these they're
[40:16] conx boxes. That was what we used. Uh,
they all have to be fabricated. Uh, we
[40:21] have to have a welder come in, cut it,
join the boxes together. uh they have to
[40:26] build stairwells in there, uh water
piping systems and uh quite a bit of
[40:31] work goes into building that. Um the
gentleman that I got the one bid from is
[40:35] the one that does Merles inlet Myrtle
Beaches he did not do counties county
[40:41] did their own. They had a welder that
worked for them at the time.
[40:45] We couldn't do it in stages. Uh there is
two stages that we could do. One is
[40:49] 250,000 and then additional is 100,000
added on.
[40:53] » Oh, we're talking [laughter]
>> just to burn it down.
[40:56] » I hear you.
So, so we're at 20,000 roughly. I would
[41:00] say that we got 10,000 20,000 somewhere
in there that we've collected over this
[41:05] last.
[41:08] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Wall could ask a
question. This would include Mel
[41:12] Melanie. Oh, hello. I got my Melanie. We
are keeping a separate bucket for him so
[41:18] he can
>> We're keeping this money separate.
[41:21] » Yeah.
>> You said that I remember when we talked
[41:23] about it like a year ago.
>> We wanted him to have we didn't want him
[41:27] to have to collect it, but we did want
him to have a place
[41:30] » where where we were holding it for him
>> so he could keep up with it separate
[41:34] from any other.
>> Okay. Just double check. Thank you,
[41:38] » Mr. Mr. Hi. Chief, I have a question on
the number of calls volunteers were
[41:44] dispatched to chart. For example, on the
left side it says volunteer ID number 74
[41:51] responded to one call, but on the right
it said volunteer ID number gave zero
[41:57] hours to the department and then 52
uh right below it ID number 52 says
[42:04] responded to 28 calls and yet they're
not even listed over there on the right
[42:08] side. So, am I misinterpreting this?
>> Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
[42:11] » So, hours are different from response
calls. Um, so we have some volunteers
[42:16] that aren't listed in this as a part of
operations. They collect hours. Um, so
[42:20] they would help out when we do uh public
affairs and stuff like that and they get
[42:25] counted with hours as far as that when
when the call volume that's an actual
[42:30] they get a call, they don't get hours
per se for that call volume.
[42:34] » Very good. Thank you. Appreciate it.
[42:39] Mr. Coleman, go ahead.
>> I see you have 30% of your calls on
[42:44] cases of illnesses and stuff.
>> Yes, sir.
[42:46] » Um,
any word from County about the
[42:50] ambulance?
>> Uh, I go by Cypio Lane a lot. There's
[42:55] two ambulances in that uh in the bay
there.
[42:59] » One's a spare.
>> Okay. So, they have a spare there. So,
[43:03] » it's not manned or anything like that.
The only thing that that ambulance is
[43:06] used for is if that another ambulance
has go out of service, they go there,
[43:10] pick up that ambulance, and jump into
it. You know, it blows a tire or engine
[43:15] or whatever the case is. So,
>> I was just hoping that
[43:20] we're just keeping that Senate over
press, you know, on that.
[43:26] » Oh, well,
Mr. Mayor.
[43:31] Anybody else?
>> Go ahead, Mr. Walls. That's just an
[43:34] interesting observation on Harry's
comment. When we hear that that
[43:39] countywide we're 48 ambulances down
>> and they got
[43:44] » that's where it's not that they don't
have the equipment. It's that they don't
[43:48] have
>> you got to figure if if they're covering
[43:50] 1,200, 1100 square miles, they got to
have so many spare ambulance and they
[43:54] have spare engines and everything else.
Yeah. And that's where they house them
[43:57] at and stuff like that. Unfortunately,
hiring paramedics is kind of difficult.
[44:01] Uh, you know, we're starting at 51,000,
Merles Inlet starting at 61,000, then I
[44:06] don't really know what county is
starting at. Um, you know, so it's it's
[44:10] uh getting a medic anymore is very
difficult. One of our one of our
[44:14] captains is planning on going to med
school, which is awesome. We're very
[44:18] excited for that. Um, if we can send
some more people through, we glad we do
[44:21] that, too.
>> If I could, that's like the top of the
[44:25] fireman ladder, isn't it? That's
>> before you go into administration.
[44:28] » That that's the top as far as EMS side
of it.
[44:31] » Okay.
>> Yep. Next thing after that would be
[44:34] probably a physician's assistant, a
nurse, and going into the hospital.
[44:39] » Oh, right. Yeah. Okay.
>> Thank you.
[44:43] » Any others?
>> All right. Thank you, Chief Nelson. We
[44:47] will move into the communications report
with Mrs. Maul.
[44:51] » Good evening, everyone.
>> Hello. Um, okay. So, um, pretty proud
[44:59] that we've hit 50,000 followers on
Facebook. So, yay us. Um, we have
[45:04] interviews for our new position. Uh,
those have begun and they will continue
[45:09] over the next week or so. So, we're
excited about that.
[45:14] um our summer events have um wrapped up
for the season, but just remember that
[45:21] we still have the same things that go on
during our fall months as well, which is
[45:26] Music and Memorial Park, Farmers Market,
and then the Arts and Crafts Market. And
[45:33] then we're getting really psyched about
the the summer fireworks festival, which
[45:39] will take place 5 to 9 at the pier. Um,
and then just wanted to give you a brief
[45:45] update. You guys have all this
information in your packet. Um, but uh
[45:52] just to kind of give you a little update
from our logistics meeting. Um, so the
[45:57] pier indeed will be closed and that's
the pier from the gate to the end of the
[46:03] pier. That's going to be closed all day
for the fireworks festival for our
[46:07] safety. Um and then our pier businesses
will be allowed to remain open all day
[46:15] um after the fireworks have been loaded
onto the pier. So um and we plan on
[46:22] loading in around 6ish
um that morning. So everybody's safe,
[46:27] our businesses are safe, our uh town
people are safe um and then our visitors
[46:33] will be safe. So, um, that is a wrap up
of those event details. I think our next
[46:40] meeting is on Wednesday.
And that's all I have for you.
[46:44] » All right. Any questions, comments?
[46:48] » Mr. Coleman, um,
why is all the summer events backed up?
[46:56] » Kids are not in school.
[47:01] Some of the kids
aren't in school yet.
[47:04] » I understand. Yeah, we we roll on the
the general school schedule.
[47:11] » Family game then we still could do that.
>> Um, you know, I'm again remember when I
[47:16] was going through this, I was going
through some tests, right? So, what I
[47:20] would say to you is I find a very strong
opportunity for the community family
[47:25] game nights. Um,
if I and I haven't baked it all yet, but
[47:31] if I had to say I would back it up a
little bit like around 6:30, 7:00
[47:37] u, mom and dad go to the pier village,
they have dinner or downtown businesses,
[47:41] whichever they prefer. Um, and then we
start some support. So, we had a start,
[47:45] stop, continue with um, a meeting for
that. So, we've got some pretty good
[47:49] ideas that are on my dry erase board.
I'm asking was um we were trying to
[47:56] extend get more tourists here,
>> right?
[47:59] » And I came down
to come to the gation here and I found
[48:04] out two weeks ago you had a holder show
had a got craft
[48:10] drop in you had the family game going
how do we chop li?
[48:14] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. The the Yeah, I understand. But we
[48:19] are working on some different things
that I think will work pretty well for
[48:23] us.
>> Huler and Fire Dance show, they're the
[48:26] ones who said we can't do it anymore.
>> Correct. This they are back to school.
[48:33] The pos
saying maybe they not do it at 8:00 at
[48:37] night. Could they do it at 6:30 or 7
o'clock?
[48:40] » Yeah, just throw it out.
>> Absolutely. There's a lot of
[48:42] possibilities out there. There are still
a lot of people up north.
[48:48] Bad word to say.
[laughter]
[48:55] » Yeah. Large.
>> So all those families are still coming
[48:59] down.
>> Sure.
[49:01] » It would be great if we have something
for them.
[49:04] » Absolutely. And I would I totally agree
with you. We need to capture that
[49:08] audience.
>> Thank you. Um, I actually got a question
[49:12] for the administrator and not to be a
bad guy, but are we allowed to have the
[49:18] fireworks displayed on this end of
season
[49:22] or council have to vote on this because
it says
[49:26] um
supposed to be 30 days prior.
[49:31] Town council will authorize public
displays.
[49:34] » No, sir. A year ago, the uh the town
attorney had indicated that that section
[49:38] does not apply to the town. Does it need
to be changed? It does to so that it's
[49:44] » it's clear. So, it's not very clear, but
it does not pertain to town council on a
[49:48] county event.
>> Just want to make sure.
[49:50] » Yes, sir.
>> And uh can we work on making it clear?
[49:54] » Yes, sir.
[49:58] » Mr. Mayor,
>> I'll just in a minute, Mr. I just want
[50:02] to add because I I brought this up with
the administrator and Mrs. Mo not too
[50:05] long ago and uh because we did go
through this discussion last year and we
[50:10] need to clarify it and uh unfortunately
we had the event and we just moved on
[50:15] and nobody said go back. So we've all
made notes that we're going to clarify
[50:20] this thing for before next year. Mr.
Hyatt has also weighed in on it. So
[50:24] yeah, we should be uh much better going
forward. And with that, Mr. Hyde, go
[50:27] ahead. Um, not to complicate things, but
I noticed there's some vacant spots over
[50:33] here,
>> Mr.
[50:34] » There's some vacant spots over here. Um,
does that mean that we're not going to
[50:39] have a full-fledged vendors this year or
is it just
[50:42] » We We don't have a full-fledged vendors
on the fireworks festival. That is 12 to
[50:49] 14 total is what we do. Everything we do
is in that parking lot area. So, one of
[50:55] the start, stop, continues that we
learned last year is we were really
[50:59] crowded in that little space and I know
most of you guys were there. So, again,
[51:04] you're always testing things to see how
they work. So, it makes better sense for
[51:08] us to have fewer vendors, more space for
the public safety.
[51:13] » Very good. Thank you.
>> You're welcome, sir.
[51:15] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. understand it.
>> Uh we we we [clears throat] sort of back
[51:20] to the 30-day prior notice for
fireworks. So, we actually did that
[51:25] because, you know, if you really think
about it, because we uh voted on this at
[51:31] budget time and approved it back then.
So, it has been voted on and approved.
[51:37] » Yes, sir.
>> Prior
[51:40] for this. Yes, sir.
>> That's I just want to clear that up.
[51:44] » Thank you.
Mr. Mayor Sean,
[51:49] » um, you know, you have reported also
that like the t-shirt sales that we we
[51:56] always make a profit out of that even
though we have some left over. Are we
[52:01] going to do a sale thing?
>> Yes, we are.
[52:05] » Never mind.
>> We're having to end a summer sale for
[52:08] sure. Yeah. Okay.
>> Mr. Mayor, if I get a second,
[52:13] » Hang on. Anybody else? Go ahead, Mr.
Hyde.
[52:17] » Is there a chance our town could order
some more hats that say Surfside Beach
[52:21] on them?
>> They are on the way.
[52:22] » Thank you.
>> You got it.
[52:26] » All right. With that, thank you, Mrs.
Maul. We will now move on to the public
[52:29] works report from director Adair.
[52:35] [laughter]
>> Good evening, mayor and council and
[52:37] citizens. Public works for July and our
sanitation division. The uh summer
[52:42] rollout program is going to be going off
uh out of effect after September 12th
[52:47] and back to our winter schedule. Uh
again, I mentioned last month the new
[52:51] sanitation rates approved by town
council are in effect as the bill
[52:55] everybody got August 1st. Hopefully you
all got that.
[52:59] » Yeah, thanks John. [laughter]
>> We voted for that.
[53:03] » Yeah, that was took a lot of doing with
Grand Strand Water and Sewer to do that.
[53:07] Uh uh I'll comment that [clears throat]
our next household waste e-waste drop
[53:11] off event is going to be on September
11, 12th, and 13. It's not in the
[53:14] report, but I fig I'd start talking
about it so everybody can put it on
[53:18] their calendar. U
Mr. Hyatt mentioned earlier the
[53:23] sanitation expenses. You're going to see
a new sanitation trucks coming in in a
[53:27] couple weeks and you're going to see a
big expense on the expense side, the
[53:30] sanitation fund. So
>> and a Mercedes outside.
[53:33] » That'll be good. [laughter] That'll be
good. No, it's just a garbage truck.
[53:35] It's a side loader. Uh so that'll bring
that extend side up a bit. Uh in our
[53:41] streets and drainage division, uh I'll
just highlight which isn't on here
[53:45] either. Our beach reourishment
remobilization is taking place this
[53:49] week. As most of you know, there's some
pipe still on the beach. Plastic pipe.
[53:53] They're going to float that off into the
ocean. They're going to cap the ends of
[53:55] it and that'll be the end of it. And the
whole beach will be open 100%. So I
[54:00] still get calls about it. I'm sure you
guys get calls about it. Uh but during
[54:04] the demobilization, all the sand has
been pumped already. There's no more
[54:07] dredging going on and we're just waiting
for them to completely get all their
[54:10] stuff off the beach and they'll they'll
be followed by sand fence installation
[54:14] by their subcontractor after that. So
that won't close any beaches, the sand
[54:19] fence installation. Uh in our grounds
division, we installed a new water
[54:24] fountain over a park playground.
in our uh fleet maintenance division. In
[54:29] July, our mechanics completed 83 repairs
on town vehicles and equipment and 16
[54:33] vehicles had prevented maintenance of
drugs. Anybody has any questions? I'll
[54:37] be happy to answer them.
>> Mr. Mayor,
[54:40] » Miss Sean,
>> you said now with all the the dredging
[54:43] on the beaches completely done, when
will the new signs get implemented on
[54:49] the beach?
>> Once the sand fence goes up, signs will
[54:51] go up.
>> Right. Thank you.
[54:55] » Yeah. Mr. Mayor,
>> Mr. [clears throat] Stamy,
[54:58] » uh, as everybody knows, we received a
thing today about skateboard down here,
[55:05] and y'all want to inspect that. Make
sure it's safe.
[55:08] » Yeah, this is not part of the report.
>> We should not be getting into these, but
[55:14] yeah, it's not part of the report.
>> Sorry, John. I mean, that's what we're
[55:20] supposed to stick to.
>> Thank you, Miss Medina. I I asked her to
[55:27] keep me on on task.
>> Mr. Mayor, if I could.
[55:31] » Mr. Walls,
>> just a quick question.
[55:32] » Absolutely.
>> I don't recall seeing exactly what, but
[55:37] I'm just curious. What does one of those
blue side loaders cost us?
[55:42] » Almost $500,000.
>> I believe
[55:46] looks like a real expensive piece of
equipment.
[55:48] » Yeah, they're about 260 when I started
[laughter]
[55:52] half million perow.
Thank you. Yes, sir.
[55:58] » Any others? Thank you, Director. Thank
you. We will now move into the police
[56:04] department report. Chief Mickel,
[56:11] evening, mayor, council, citizens.
So, for uh July
[56:26] 1,767 calls for service broken off
initiated from year to date. We wrote 93
[56:32] citations,
made total of 30 arrests in July and 19
[56:38] of those were
arrest warrants which are listed there.
[56:46] You look at the index crimes, I don't
see anything out of the ordinary or
[56:50] cause or concern there. Um, and then the
card activity.
[56:58] This is year to date. Again, 10
citations, 37 warning citations, 14
[57:02] accidents, five of which are injured
and pretty notable events. Uh,
[57:15] We responded to an unresponsive incident
at a residence and upon arrival officer
[57:18] administrative life saving measures and
were able to revive the child. The
[57:22] incident was referred to child
protective services who investigated and
[57:25] took appropriate action. I believe that
the next uh
[57:30] council meeting myself and the fire
department will be recognizing the
[57:33] officers and the fire department
personnel that were involved in saving
[57:36] that child.
officers also responded to a stolen
[57:40] vehicle that was stolen from a tow
company and fled the scene and caused a
[57:45] bunch of damage when it was leaving. We
were able to work with some other
[57:48] agencies and find that vehicle and issue
some charges for that subject that broke
[57:53] and stole the vehicle
and of course we all
[57:58] participated in Fourth of July events
which were really great and we had a
[58:02] great time doing it.
[58:06] » Any questions? Any questions, comments
for Chief Nickel?
[58:09] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Walls,
>> if you could please. I've been getting a
[58:13] lot of uh inquiries as to the the latest
golf cart activity that we've had. One
[58:20] of them wasn't in our town. Another was
in our town. If you could just for the
[58:24] good. Seems like the residents are
awfully interested in those
[58:28] » Yeah.
>> certain activities. And if you
[58:31] » I know it's a July report, too, but
there's been a lot of activity in August
[58:33] with golf, too. So, I'm just going to
It's probably more what they're talking
[58:36] about.
>> Uh, yeah, we've had enough a lot more
[58:40] golf carts in town and we've had I think
we had total
[58:44] » uh five accidents in August just itself.
Three three were golf carts, two were
[58:49] LSVs. So, we've seen an increase in
August just as well. So, um, of course
[58:56] they'll be in the August report, but
forget about it now because we're
[58:59] talking about it. So, yeah, there's a
lot there is a lot more golf cart
[59:03] activity in town. Um I think maybe only
one of those was at night. Um
[59:08] still there access during the day. Two
of those I think were injury. So yeah,
[59:12] there's there's been um but I I think
the countyy's seen it as well too. Um
[59:17] I just I think there's a lot of
variables involved. Um I actually did
[59:21] rank some numbers. Um been an increase
since last year of 21% of of accidents
[59:27] involving golf carts. Um but the prior
year before that was an increase of 27%.
[59:33] So I don't know if that correlates with
but I think there's just a lot of
[59:37] variable. There is the new law that was
passed. There is population growth and
[59:42] then there's also huge increase in golf
sales and rentals. We've seen them
[59:47] spring up all over the county as well.
So I just think there's a lot of
[59:50] interest in golf [clears throat] carts
and LSVs and a lot more people are
[59:54] getting them and so we're just seeing a
lot more of that activity as well.
[59:58] I got someone called me today and and
asked where so I wanted I I think I
[1:00:04] clearly told them but if you could just
for the record and everything there was
[1:00:08] a fatality.
>> Yeah, it was not within Surfside.
[1:00:11] » No. Right.
>> Right. Not within town. It was out just
[1:00:13] outside of town. Uh but there was a golf
cart accident with a fatality. I don't
[1:00:17] know a lot of the details. It was high
patrol I think was the primary
[1:00:21] investigating agency. And as far as we
can tell, there's no ties to sid victims
[1:00:26] as well. Yeah, it happens. I mean, we
had a major injury.
[1:00:29] » Yeah, I mean, we did have injury
accident here as well around the same
[1:00:32] time.
>> Not nearly as serious, but
[1:00:36] » and alcohol was involved in that when we
got here.
[1:00:40] » Thanks, Miss.
>> I'm kind of be curious to understand
[1:00:46] these accidents with the golf carts. Is
there any way we can find out if it how
[1:00:53] many are from rentals compared to
owners?
[1:00:57] » I'd have to go back to each one and run
the see the problem with the golf cart.
[1:01:02] I mean can do with LSVs very easily with
golf carts. They don't have place. So
[1:01:07] » um
>> any reason why
[1:01:11] » I I won't be able to get exactly
accurate numbers but I can probably get
[1:01:15] some approximations on that. Any reason
why I'm asking is since the accidents
[1:01:21] are going up, should and if they are on
the rental side, should the rental
[1:01:28] companies do a better job educating, you
know, people come down here for vacation
[1:01:34] and they rent and I see them all over
town and the rentals, I can guarantee
[1:01:41] you no, I haven't seen that many where
they put children
[1:01:47] in the seat belt. but they either choose
not to or they're not aware of the new
[1:01:53] law.
So, um it's just something to think
[1:01:57] about. I don't want you to go like
[clears throat] can't tell you what to
[1:02:01] do in other words, but it'd be curious
to see if it was from the rentals and
[1:02:07] then we could walk back and get the
rental company to educate the people.
[1:02:11] » Yeah, I know the rental companies are I
even posted on the rentals. The laws
[1:02:14] posted on the rentals. have any quite
ordinance there have to do that we
[1:02:19] haven't seen anybody not complying with
that
[1:02:25] people don't pay attent pay attention to
a lot of those labor warnings I guess
[1:02:29] you know and
you know and again that's why we keep
[1:02:34] these records and we go back and analy
too I mean now some of these numbers
[1:02:39] next year and we can maybe pivot to and
come up with different enforcement
[1:02:42] strategies for uh compliance with some
of these while we you know we can find a
[1:02:47] way that we can try to reduce these
numbers uh focusing our enforcement
[1:02:51] enforcement techniques so it's learning
experience for us as well
[1:02:58] » Mr. Mayor Mullman.
>> Yeah, I'd like to go back to the uh golf
[1:03:01] cart accident when someone was, you
know, seriously very Was that an
[1:03:04] accident or was it the person fall out
of a cop car?
[1:03:09] » Meaning it was Did they hit something?
>> Well, for it was an LSV. It wasn't a cop
[1:03:14] car. So, it would have been allowed to
be on at that time, but it was at night.
[1:03:18] » Yeah. So, car call with a different
name.
[1:03:20] » Right. Right. But I was correlating with
the law. So, let's say that the the we
[1:03:23] hadn't changed the law. You guys had not
changed the law. LSD still would have
[1:03:27] been out. could have legally been out
there.
[1:03:29] » I get that.
>> There was a single vehicle alcohol valve
[1:03:31] and the passenger fell out.
>> So I know the driver was arrested.
[1:03:37] » Correct. For
>> DUI also arrested for person getting
[1:03:40] hurt with an accident. Yes.
>> Never hit anything cuz she fell out of
[1:03:45] the golf car.
>> Correct.
[1:03:47] » Was she drinking out out of duration?
>> Uh we don't have any toxicology yet, but
[1:03:52] it's the officer the officer.
>> The investigation revealed that alcohol
[1:03:56] she most So this was more an alcohol
incident than a golfart in but still
[1:04:02] classified in a statement as an accident
was a motor vehicle.
[1:04:08] » But the cause was somebody drinking
while driving.
[1:04:11] » Correct.
>> And most probably the passenger was
[1:04:14] probably had a couple too many and fell
out of c.
[1:04:18] » That's it.
>> So that could have been a bicycle, could
[1:04:20] have been a wagon, could have been
anything else and the person probably
[1:04:22] would have got hurt. just trying to make
the point that it didn't really have
[1:04:26] anything to do with a power. Thank you.
Oh, I got [laughter]
[1:04:33] the sauce went up from from two from
last year to five
[1:04:39] now. Is that real assaults or that was a
report? I don't I don't understand
[1:04:45] the report.
So these are actually um
[1:04:50] the crime data that the report
Yeah reported. So we just had five more
[1:04:56] reported. It doesn't mean that there
were five actual assaults. We arrested
[1:04:59] five people for assault. That just means
those we got those are the reported
[1:05:03] monthly crimes. So we received five
reports of it. If you want to go back
[1:05:08] and look if you go back and look out of
those five reports I think we have one
[1:05:12] assault that actually occurred and
probable cause. So in essence, we only
[1:05:17] had one assault. We had five calls.
>> Five reports and then we could only
[1:05:22] » a report meaning somebody called that
said there was somebody way down and
[1:05:27] said there's somebody getting
>> right. We we responded five um calls of
[1:05:32] classified assaults
>> and only one
[1:05:34] » and only one resulted in the charges.
[1:05:39] if we can get that instead of I mean
I was a rookie. Someone ran up to me so
[1:05:46] I just got robbed. I just got robbed and
I called all the troops to come and
[1:05:50] basically what it was is they were
sitting on the bar and she went into the
[1:05:54] bathroom and someone took a couple of
dollars out of her apartment. That
[1:05:58] wasn't a robbery. So the true number I I
like the true number. I don't care how
[1:06:04] many people misal.
[1:06:08] I'd rather have the real number. We have
x amount of assaults from this this
[1:06:13] month to last last year.
>> Well, you have that though. So, you can
[1:06:17] see what the calls we responded to that
fall in those categories. And you can
[1:06:20] look over and see see if you look at
domestic violence too. There's two
[1:06:23] there. So, now that I'm looking at that,
you know, that might have been three of
[1:06:27] the five. Those domestic violence could
have been assault. Of
[1:06:32] course, some of those disorderly conduct
officer could have said, "Hey, you know,
[1:06:35] those other ones aren't actually an
assault to disorderly conduct."
[1:06:39] So, we report we responded to five calls
that were classified as assaults and
[1:06:43] then go back and look at arrests that
correlate to that,
[1:06:49] possibly [clears throat] three assaults.
This is two domestic violence.
[1:06:52] » Yes.
>> This is a necessary assault if there be
[1:06:57] harassment or
>> well the domestic violence has to
[1:07:01] include an assault. So there was three
assaults.
[1:07:04] » Hi Mr. Mayor.
>> He does.
[1:07:09] » Okay. Mr.
>> I think Chris wanted to go.
[1:07:15] » Sticks out on here. There was an arson.
Could you tell us what happened?
[1:07:19] That was
yeah um there was third fourth of July
[1:07:24] and there was some alcohol involved in a
incident inside a house and uh there was
[1:07:31] a fire and the fire marshall responded
with our detective and they conducted
[1:07:35] the fire
cause of origin investigation and
[1:07:40] determined uh where the fire started in
the house. That's underneath fireworks
[1:07:44] and we're able to determine who was
responsible for that in the house. Okay.
[1:07:49] Um, a couple other questions. If you
receive more than one call for the same
[1:07:55] incident, how do you count that? You
count that like let's say you receive
[1:07:59] five calls for an incident. Is that do
you count it as one? Because that's one.
[1:08:03] » Just one. Okay. Um,
>> because we responded to that one
[1:08:06] incident.
>> And then I'm wondering,
[1:08:10] we don't have a handle here on town
council of anything that really happens
[1:08:15] on our beach. is do you oversee the
lifeguard services? Do you know what's
[1:08:20] going on on the beach?
>> So, we don't oversee lifeguard services.
[1:08:23] That's a private contract. I oversee the
uh
[1:08:29] beach ambassador program which patrols
the beach. And all of their statistics
[1:08:33] are right here in the report as well.
You can see
[1:08:35] » I saw those.
>> Yeah. And then we have we break it down.
[1:08:41] Yeah. That's how we we keep everything
on a beach.
[1:08:44] Um, now what be Now what the light
guards do that [laughter] doesn't
[1:08:50] » so we don't have any information if
they're rescuing anybody. We don't
[1:08:53] really know it
>> unless they call for help.
[1:08:55] » Unless they call for
>> assistance.
[1:08:57] » I have to ask is that correct? Yes.
Unless they call for EMS or fire then.
[1:09:03] » And another question I have sometimes
they have to shut down the beach. How do
[1:09:07] we know are people complying or we not
do we have a problem there? you know, we
[1:09:11] we're kind of blind to this kind of
information.
[1:09:13] » So, when the weather conditions cause
for the beach to be shut down, they shut
[1:09:18] that down and then no one complies, then
they'll call us. So, nobody complies.
[1:09:23] So, as you'll remember, a couple months
ago, maybe gentlemen wouldn't comply
[1:09:27] with swimming by the pier.
>> Yes, I remember fire department brought
[1:09:31] them to the shore and we
>> arrested him,
[1:09:33] » took them to jail for not complying. So,
um I think you'll hear about any, you
[1:09:37] know, vast majority of people comply um
with the life.
[1:09:43] » Yeah. And then there's an ordinance if
they don't comply, that's a violation of
[1:09:46] the ordinance and we can enforce it.
>> Uh one last thing, I just like to make a
[1:09:50] comment to the officers that helped
revive that child. Congratulations to
[1:09:56] them.
>> You you'll have that opportunity the
[1:09:58] next day.
>> Good.
[1:10:00] » Looking forward to it.
Mr. Mayor,
[1:10:03] » Mr. St.
>> On these 37 warrants on the golf cart, I
[1:10:07] mean warning citations on the golf
carts, you have 37 warnings. What kind
[1:10:13] of warnings is that for? Kindly give me
a kindly an idea what just warnings 37
[1:10:20] warnings. you stop or got part
any of the any of the ordinance or state
[1:10:26] law violations that the officer
determine that
[1:10:31] well lack if you stop a golf cart and a
child is in safe would you give them a
[1:10:36] warning
>> probably not
[1:10:38] » would your depends on the circumstances
would your officers give a warning
[1:10:44] » it depends on the circumstances I can't
really get into the kind of scenario
[1:10:48] » what you're saying but it is it's It's
within their It's within their uh
[1:10:53] » Well, it's that with legal discretion to
do so, but
[1:10:56] » would they do that? Probably not. They
probably would give a warning for that,
[1:10:59] but I can't say that.
>> Just a lot of warning tickets being
[1:11:04] given out for 10 citations and 37
warnings. I mean, that's a lot
[1:11:12] difference. Just a lot of warnings.
People get a lot of warnings. The
[1:11:16] warnings don't go too far. I've had some
myself. [laughter]
[1:11:23] » I'm telling you. Well, there you go.
[1:11:29] [laughter]
[1:11:38] » Well, I mean, we do try to get
compliance through education if we think
[1:11:41] that'll work. If we don't think it'll
work, then we issue citations and if you
[1:11:44] get the warnings are all documented.
It's not like you just get a verbal
[1:11:48] warning. If you if I give you a warning
tomorrow today and you get stopped by
[1:11:51] another officer tomorrow, it's in the
system. He pulls it up and runs you. He
[1:11:54] sees you got a warning for it. You're
not getting a second one.
[1:11:58] » He's curious.
>> He is. [laughter]
[1:12:02] » And now I know you're not getting any
[1:12:06] break.
>> Mr. Mayor, if I could just
[1:12:10] » hang on, let me see anybody. It's just
you and me that haven't said anything
[1:12:13] either.
>> Go ahead, Mr. Wall. I just wanted to
[1:12:15] clarify something with Chief Nelson and
and you all back [clears throat] back in
[1:12:21] the day when I worked the beach. Um, our
procedure was if we pulled anybody out
[1:12:26] of the water, we had to call you guys in
to clear them. I mean, we we're
[1:12:32] certified lifeguards, but we we're not
medical professionals. Correct. We
[1:12:36] should be calling for an ambulance if
they poke somebody out.
[1:12:38] » So, I wanted to clarify that. That's
still a procedure here. They if they had
[1:12:43] to do any kind of life-saving rescue,
they've got to include you once they get
[1:12:47] them to the sand. Well, well, if they
can get them to the sand.
[1:12:50] » Yes, sir.
>> Okay. That's that's so we know about it
[1:12:54] from your report.
>> Correct.
[1:12:56] » Okay.
>> Thank you.
[1:12:59] » All right. With that, thank you uh Chief
Mickel and Chief Nelson.
[1:13:02] » Thank you. Uh we'll now move on to
planning, building, and zoning. Director
[1:13:05] Broer
[1:13:13] Good evening, Mayor Council members of
the public.
[1:13:19] I want to try to hit the highlights
here. Um,
[1:13:23] the second reading of the tree ordinance
will be coming to you soon. As you know,
[1:13:27] we're refining the section on fines
versus penalties, and we've got that
[1:13:33] ironed out, I believe. So, that will be
coming to you
[1:13:37] uh on September 1st. Uh the planning
commission is going to be holding a
[1:13:40] public hearing on two items. One on
locational controls or I should say
[1:13:45] further locationational controls for
storage and additional conditions to
[1:13:50] apply to future vehicle fueling uh
fueling establishments. And in brief,
[1:13:58] what that really is is that we actually
list auto service station and gas
[1:14:04] stations in two places in the use
matrix. And in one place, it's permitted
[1:14:10] and in the other place it's
conditionally permitted. So then you
[1:14:13] start splitting hairs and definitions of
what a gas station is and what an auto
[1:14:18] service station is. [clears throat]
>> Yeah, exactly. So I was put in that
[1:14:23] uncomfortable position to do that.
We need a change to the ordinance. So,
[1:14:28] we're making a change in ordinance and
we're updating it. We're doing away with
[1:14:32] gas stations. We're doing away with auto
service stations. By the way, auto
[1:14:35] service stations are the gas stations
that I remember. Those are the ones with
[1:14:39] the pumps with a rollup door and two
lifts and people were actually working
[1:14:43] on cars. Gas station is purely fuel.
We're updating it to call it a vehicle
[1:14:48] fueling establishment to include things
like electric hy hydrogen and all the
[1:14:53] other fuels that may be coming along in
our near future. So, we're updating that
[1:14:57] to be a little ahead of the game, if you
will.
[1:15:02] The um last one I wanted to talk about
briefly was we heard from John is the
[1:15:08] public works department is going to be
requesting a zone change proposal uh for
[1:15:13] a parcel next to them on the Sandy Lane
and all of the parcels back there except
[1:15:18] for John's uh facilities are zone C1 and
in order to be consistent with his
[1:15:25] zoning on his current site we'll be
taking that to planning commission to
[1:15:29] reszone that C1
With that, um, it's been a a long set of
[1:15:34] questions for everybody up here. I'll
just ask, is there any other questions
[1:15:38] that I can form you?
>> Any questions?
[1:15:43] [clears throat]
>> Yes.
[1:15:44] » The the bullet on um preparing to bring
damages against the illegal killing and
[1:15:49] removal of an oak tree. Is that the one
that came in that just we got an email?
[1:15:53] Um,
>> it is.
[1:15:55] » Okay. Um, as I always like to say, I
have 75 excellent code enforcement
[1:15:59] officers out there in golf carts, uh,
taking names and taking pictures. So, we
[1:16:04] have a picture of it. We didn't have a
picture of it coming down, but yeah, it
[1:16:08] was a tree that
from [clears throat] my understanding
[1:16:12] was a past issue. Somebody tried to kill
the tree chemically.
[1:16:17] » Uh, the tree is, and the picture that we
have is the tree is dead. There's no
[1:16:23] question. there wasn't a leaf on it. Um,
but there was still an illegal removal
[1:16:27] of it. So, we're just following up on
that and doing the appropriate
[1:16:33] enforcement action on that.
>> Thanks. You're welcome.
[1:16:39] » Any other
Thank you, director. Very much. We'll
[1:16:44] now move into our discussion item item
7A on placard. Mrs. Maul is going to uh
[1:16:50] introduce this topic. All right.
Um I'm pretty excited to uh put this
[1:16:57] presentation before you by Trent. Um
I'll just give you a brief overview. Uh
[1:17:03] when you are looking at your
presentation
[1:17:06] um in your packets, uh there's two
pieces to this. What's one is called
[1:17:11] peercast and of course the other one is
called placard. We can marry the two
[1:17:16] names if we want to. Um, so, uh, it's a
system that allows basically a QR code.
[1:17:23] He's going to give you all the info, but
it's a QR code that if I'm a person that
[1:17:28] I'm going to go fishing on the pier, I'm
going to scan that QR code. It's going
[1:17:32] to tell me what's biting currently, what
we are using as bait, etc. I won't steal
[1:17:38] all your thunder.
>> Oh, you're good.
[1:17:39] » And then the second part of that is a
digital sign 60 by 30 where I can scan a
[1:17:44] QR code and I can I don't have to Google
restaurants near me, happy hours near
[1:17:51] me, what are the beach rules? I don't
have to Google any of that. It's all
[1:17:54] going to be in one great place for you.
With that, Trent, thank you very much.
[1:17:58] Of course,
>> council members, thank you, Mr. Mayor.
[1:18:02] Thank you for having me.
>> Uh so, essentially, this is uh Placard.
[1:18:07] Um I'm a co-founder of Placard. I
started Placard with my friend Chris
[1:18:13] Coulter. Uh we both moved here from
Florida. We've been here for about uh
[1:18:17] six to seven months and absolutely love
it here. We plan on staying here for a
[1:18:21] while. Had a wife and four kids and I'm
very excited to continue live by the
[1:18:24] beach. My wife missed it dearly. So
we're going to be by the beach for a
[1:18:28] while. So um we started placard because
we had some questions. So let's go
[1:18:33] through those questions. So first and
foremost, what is placard? We connect
[1:18:36] physical places to dynamic digital
experiences that can be updated
[1:18:40] instantly. This is a live example of our
Surfside uh short-term rental location
[1:18:46] called Surfside State of Mine.
Essentially, what you do when you walk
[1:18:50] into this short-term rental, if you are
on Airbnb or Verbbo, is you can walk in,
[1:18:56] you see this plaque, you scan it, and it
tells you immediately 90% of the
[1:19:00] questions that you have about being in
that space. The whole purpose behind
[1:19:04] this is to deliver information the way
it's never been delivered before. Right
[1:19:08] now, you're googling things. Right now,
you're asking track GBT and that's how
[1:19:12] you're getting information. People
really want to engage with something
[1:19:14] that's native to their phone. So, we
create mobile web apps to do exactly
[1:19:18] that. So, when you walk into this
short-term rental, this is the
[1:19:21] experience you get. You can press copy
right on that button for the Wi-Fi
[1:19:24] access and then paste it right into your
Wi-Fi password. So, it's super easy,
[1:19:27] really convenient, straight to your
phone. It also tells you everything
[1:19:29] that's local. It's all geoloccated, so
you never have to worry about if you're
[1:19:33] in a short-term rental in another city
that you're not going to be able to
[1:19:36] indulge in the local uh farmers markets
or or events around the area.
[1:19:43] So, where it started, uh Purecast, this
is our first baby, and you're more than
[1:19:46] welcome to scan this with your phone if
you'd like to get a firsthand
[1:19:49] experience. You just hold your phone up,
open up your camera, and point it right
[1:19:53] at that QR code, and it'll open the
PierCast mobile web app right now so you
[1:19:57] can see exactly what it looks like. Uh,
Piercast started because Chris and I met
[1:20:03] and we were at a 1 million cuffs event
in Myrtle Beach and we went out to the
[1:20:07] pier, Pier 14, and we wanted to know
about fish that people were catching. We
[1:20:11] wanted to know what kind of bait, what
kind of rigs they were using, and nobody
[1:20:16] could answer any of our questions. So,
we decided to ask around, gather this
[1:20:20] information. We thought to ourselves, it
would be really nice if this was all in
[1:20:23] one place right out here. What are the
rules and regulations?
[1:20:26] anything you want to know about fishing
right on this pier. Um, and so we
[1:20:31] created peercasts. We had questions and
the answers were scattered and
[1:20:33] disorganized and not pretty to look at.
So we took, no offense to the South
[1:20:40] Carolina Department of Natural
Resources, but we took the information
[1:20:45] that's scattered throughout their
website and we put it into one beautiful
[1:20:49] mobile web app.
So, not only that, but we tell you if
[1:20:54] the tide is rising or falling, what your
bite score is, the likelihood of you
[1:20:57] able to catch fish that day based on the
weather, the tide, and what kind of bait
[1:21:02] and lure you're using. Um, there's games
on there if you get bored. Kids can play
[1:21:07] or give their parents fish. Uh, but what
we did is we took three sets of
[1:21:11] information, all these ads that were
popping up, and we put it into one place
[1:21:14] where it's delivered and it's not
cumbersome.
[1:21:21] And what we discovered is anywhere we
go, this applies to absolutely anywhere.
[1:21:24] Visitors spend more time searching for
information than enjoying where they
[1:21:27] are. I hate trying to look for parking.
Four children, my wife, one of them
[1:21:31] super young, she's screaming like crazy
in the back seat, driving all over the
[1:21:35] place trying to find parking, trying to
find public restrooms. I can't stand it.
[1:21:38] And then when I get out of the car, I
want to go to happy hour with my wife.
[1:21:41] That's something that we like to enjoy
together. And I want to know where the
[1:21:44] closest one is. It would be nice to have
that all in one place.
[1:21:49] And so we're proposing
a plaque,
[1:21:54] a 60 by30 plaque where you can scan and
you can have every bit of information
[1:21:59] you possibly want to know about the
counter surfer site.
[1:22:03] It would look something similar to what
you see here. We can design and create
[1:22:07] absolutely anything that we want. So if
uh if there's another design that you
[1:22:12] all would prefer, this is something we
can go in a different direction. I
[1:22:15] personally like this one. The benefits
of placard for the visitors is of course
[1:22:19] less searching or exploring uh better
first impressions of the city. It feels
[1:22:23] like you're more engaged. Uh easier
navigation and it's always current.
[1:22:28] Really important part of it. Uh benefits
for businesses. They can list and update
[1:22:32] their happy hour whenever they want to.
They have full access to an admin
[1:22:36] backend dashboard for this that will
allow them to update this data so that
[1:22:39] we don't have to go back and forth with
communication. Very simple for them. Um,
[1:22:44] they can also listen all live music and
the biggest one for me is seasonal
[1:22:47] promotions without replacing signs or
printing new materials ever. It's just
[1:22:51] on this one scan.
Uh, benefits for the town for you guys.
[1:22:56] This is extremely important. You get all
the analytics, all the metrics. You get
[1:23:00] to see how people navigate your town,
what they're most interested in, what
[1:23:04] are people clicking on the most, uh, the
most used businesses. This is extremely
[1:23:08] valuable information and you can use it
however you like.
[1:23:12] You also get to see peak visitation days
and times. So, not only is this a
[1:23:16] service for the guests experience or
visitors coming to your town, but it's a
[1:23:20] service for you as well. This slide is
going to look different than the one you
[1:23:24] see in your packet. I do apologize. Um,
uh, Valadis switched their name to 21
[1:23:29] Arrows. Same company, same concept,
change of name. 21 Arrows is a strategy
[1:23:35] and technology firm. They use or they
create custom software digital
[1:23:39] experiences uh and they track growth and
a lot of this is is based on and
[1:23:45] predicated on automation. It's very
important that we automate this to make
[1:23:48] it easy for everybody.
The proposal is I would like to see peer
[1:23:54] peer cast on your peers.
Um I would also like to see placard in
[1:23:58] your town and that's a goal of mine as
someone who just likes to create and
[1:24:03] solve problems. This is something that I
enjoy doing. and uh I just would like to
[1:24:08] have your permission to pursue that.
>> So, thank you very much.
[1:24:13] » All right. Thank you, sir. Are there uh
any questions for uh
[1:24:17] » uh Mr. [clears throat] What? Trent, was
it?
[1:24:19] » Yeah, Robinson. I don't know why
Williams is on there, but Robinson last
[1:24:22] name. Yeah, Trent Robinson.
>> Okay, that's right.
[1:24:24] » All right. Trent Robinson. Thank you for
correcting that.
[1:24:27] » No problem.
>> Or uh Mrs. Maul if you want to
[1:24:30] understand from the town perspective.
>> I have so Mr. Hy. Go ahead. Oh, cost
[1:24:37] » cost absolutely. Uh, so we have multiple
quotes for signs, but right now um if we
[1:24:42] buy three signs, we're we source from
Seabboard Signs because we noticed that
[1:24:46] Seabboard Signs was used for some of the
signs that are already on the pier. So,
[1:24:49] we wanted to go with the company that
you had already worked with. Seabard
[1:24:52] Signs quoted us one um sign plaque at
$8,000 and then if we do three and we
[1:24:59] place those throughout multiple areas of
the town it would be um $6,000 per sign
[1:25:05] » for the digital right per placard.
>> No.
[1:25:09] » Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Sorry.
>> Not the one.
[1:25:11] » Not the Yes. Exactly.
>> The sign you showed us with the
[1:25:15] » right the big signs. My apologies.
>> 6,000 a piece.
[1:25:17] » Yes.
>> Wow. That seems kind of steep. They are
[1:25:21] illuminated signs and they are auto
powered so there's no need to run
[1:25:25] electricity to them.
>> That's a really important note to Yeah.
[1:25:30] » U how long has your company been
operating?
[1:25:34] » So we've been operating Piercast for
five months and the amount of data that
[1:25:39] we've collected in that amount of time
is pretty astonishing. We're on two
[1:25:42] peers right now currently with live um
plaques on the peers. 12 total plaques
[1:25:48] between
uh 14 um pier 14 and second app pier
[1:25:53] those are the two we're on right now uh
we have gathered over 5,000 QR scans in
[1:25:58] the past four months and that number
continues to rise we we've also had a
[1:26:02] really interesting metric was people
were visiting the site even after
[1:26:05] scanning so they would go back to it
again so we've had a total of 14,000
[1:26:09] website visits just from peer scans
>> so you're new and you're growing but
[1:26:14] you're highly utilized so far
>> correct Um,
[1:26:20] some of the things you heard tonight,
could we somehow have another section
[1:26:23] for golf carts and explain seat belts?
>> You can have absolutely anything you
[1:26:28] want.
>> And on beach rules, we can have rip tide
[1:26:31] safety.
>> It's unlimited.
[1:26:33] » Okay.
>> Yeah. Anything you can think of. Tell me
[1:26:35] and I want to make it for you. That's
how excited I am to do this. The guys
[1:26:38] behind uh 21 Arrows are It's
astonishing. So if we buy these signs,
[1:26:44] these three signs,000,
then what's the cost after?
[1:26:48] » That's what I'm sorry about that. Glad I
asked. So a monthly retainer to maintain
[1:26:52] those and to go back and forth with the
businesses is going to cost us $1,000 a
[1:26:57] month. And then to build out the mobile
web app and put the design and all the
[1:27:02] information and gather the geoloccation
together is $12,000
[1:27:08] » in addition to the 18 and the 10,00.
>> Correct. So the 18 is for the signs, the
[1:27:13] 12,000's for the mobile web app, and
then $1,000 per month for maintenance
[1:27:17] and and upkeep.
>> Is there any way we can recoup any of
[1:27:20] that and the businesses that use it?
>> Absolutely. T we were talking about
[1:27:23] this. Okay.
>> Actually, T probably take this part for
[1:27:26] a second.
>> Before you go on, I I missed something
[1:27:30] here. This is a discussion item and we
are allowed to make motions. It is not a
[1:27:36] business item, so we're not scheduling a
vote, but we can make motions here.
[1:27:39] Wanted to clarify that. Sorry. Go ahead
and proceed.
[1:27:43] » Um, yes. So, with the business uh
committee's uh permission, I want to
[1:27:47] pitch this to the business committee
first. Um, and then my idea is to charge
[1:27:53] the businesses monthly fees. So, we're
basically the upfront money that gets it
[1:27:58] all in motion and then they have their
monthly fees that they are going to pay
[1:28:05] us to be a part of that. As far as the
details right now, I'm just giving you
[1:28:09] very top line. Of course, I would have
that conversation. But it's sort of like
[1:28:15] Google, like if you want to be the first
restaurant that pops up or the first
[1:28:20] happy hour, that's where I would charge
the money and then you would go down
[1:28:24] through tears. So that's the concept.
Again, just right off the top of my head
[1:28:28] there from I haven't spoken to the
businesses yet, just sitting there.
[1:28:33] » So, so basically this is just
anformational Hi.
[1:28:36] » Yeah. Talk to your microphone.
>> Yes. Hi, microphone. Um, so this is just
[1:28:41] anformational
um presentation and your next step is to
[1:28:45] take this to the business committee. Is
that correct?
[1:28:47] » Correct. If you guys really love this
and think it's a good idea as I do um
[1:28:51] then I will definitely take it and go
from there.
[1:28:54] » Okay.
>> Mr. Mayor, you you done m I'm done.
[1:29:00] Okay.
>> Just quick. So the the 12,000 to build
[1:29:03] the data. Yes. Is that a onetime fee or
is that going to be an ongoing annual
[1:29:07] fee?
>> That's a onetime fee.
[1:29:08] » Onetime fee.
>> Correct.
[1:29:09] » Any anything else from on an annual
basis that we would be paying or is this
[1:29:13] all just upfront pretty much cost?
>> $12,000 upfront, $18,000 for the signs
[1:29:18] if you choose three and then $1,000 a
month for maintenance for the site and
[1:29:22] communication.
>> Okay. So that would be the that So
[1:29:25] 12,000 a year.
>> Oh, correct. Yes. So that would be an
[1:29:29] annual office. Okay.
>> And in terms of how the information gets
[1:29:33] updated, um guess that's kind of on the
the business to make sure that you have
[1:29:38] the information that they want to get
out on and [clears throat] available to
[1:29:42] folks.
>> Yes. So that's our responsibility. Yeah.
[1:29:47] » Um I got a couple questions there. Three
signs and that's probably more for you.
[1:29:51] Where do they go?
>> So the first sign of course is at the
[1:29:56] pier. Um, I think that's really vital.
Second sign, Memorial Park. Third sign,
[1:30:01] Harrison Park. It's the center of
gravity of our town. So, those parks
[1:30:06] there would make the most sense to me to
have them there.
[1:30:09] » Okay. And 30 by 60. Where does that come
from? That size.
[1:30:12] » Uh, I just figured uh I kind of took
measurements and put it up against my uh
[1:30:17] my wall and measured my height and size
and what I'd like to walk up to and what
[1:30:21] would present itself. At the end of the
day, this is going to draw people to the
[1:30:24] sign. We want it to be attractive. We
want it to be beautiful and we want it
[1:30:27] to stand out. The more foot traffic, the
more scans, the more data and uh and the
[1:30:32] more information we can consume from it.
>> So I I get the point of standing out and
[1:30:36] of course larger stands out better, but
the peers kind of tight in places and so
[1:30:41] forth. So and and
yes, it's anformational sign, but you
[1:30:47] don't want too many signs around. Would
it be a little smaller?
[1:30:51] » Absolutely. But this is entirely
different. Right. Okay.
[1:30:54] » I I I mean I will do whatever you guys
want, but if from a tourist or visitor
[1:31:00] standpoint or community standpoint,
you've got to have scale to make it
[1:31:04] beautiful. You've got to attract them to
that. So to me, that's the right size
[1:31:09] when we spoke about it.
>> Okay.
[1:31:11] » But you guys decide.
>> Yeah. I I'm not saying I have any
[1:31:14] insight to it. I just, you know, I just
don't want too large. But of course, I
[1:31:18] don't It does no good if it just people
walk by. So I get that. I don't know
[1:31:22] what the magic number is right anybody.
>> Yeah, I'm not getting why $6,000 sign
[1:31:30] people digital sign. I don't understand.
>> It's not a digital sign. Are you just
[1:31:36] asking why it cost $6,000?
>> Yeah.
[1:31:38] » Um, so this also includes the base of
the sign. This is a weatherproof sign.
[1:31:43] It's a high quality, very nice sign that
should last a very, very long time. Um,
[1:31:48] this is not some cheap thrown together
plastic. It's steel framing. It's
[1:31:51] beautiful. Um, and we use premium
products and it is heavily illuminated.
[1:31:55] So, it's going to withstand all the
weather that you can throw at it. Uh, so
[1:31:59] so yes, it's it it is a pricey sign, but
it is um beautiful. I think an
[1:32:04] investment into a quality sign is a good
idea.
[1:32:07] » Um, I think it's a great idea. It's just
that
[1:32:11] I'm not sure why we're calling it peer
village because it's for the whole town,
[1:32:15] right? It's not just for the pier area,
right? I hate that all the, you know,
[1:32:19] you see a sign that says Pier Village,
you think it's only restaurants in the
[1:32:22] Pier Village.
>> Yeah. And that was for the mockup. So
[1:32:26] yeah,
>> I'm just throwing it out there. I'd
[1:32:28] rather have sides, you know, because we
have great restaurants throughout the
[1:32:33] whole place, right?
>> And in my opinion, Beer Village gets a
[1:32:37] lot of attention. We need to expand the
whole town. We have great restaurants.
[1:32:42] We will this be retail stores, too.
They're going to be there.
[1:32:45] » Everything. And I love the idea that
you're saying is to accelerate
[1:32:48] throughout the town. I want to benefit
the town as much as possible. So
[1:32:51] anywhere we can put it and however you
want it to be, we can make that for you.
[1:32:55] » And honestly, I don't want to spend more
$6,000. [laughter]
[1:33:00] If you had a big uh the bigger parking
lots, too. You come down for the beach,
[1:33:04] you don't even think about having dinner
here. You you point your phone at it.
[1:33:10] » Hey, Mil,
>> let's go to let's go to dinner tonight.
[1:33:14] There's a restaurant [laughter] over
there,
[1:33:15] » right?
>> If I if I may, uh, one other thing that
[1:33:19] we're working on right now is the
ability to people be able to see how
[1:33:24] many parking spots are open in the
parking lot before they even leave their
[1:33:27] house. And this is a tech that we're
kind of working on in the back end
[1:33:30] because you see how much of a hectic
headache it can be throughout, you know,
[1:33:33] all the beaches. And I I believe one of
the pictures has it that it's a little
[1:33:39] tiny sign that it's on a possibly in a
restaurant or something. I don't know.
[1:33:45] » That's a short-term rental. Yep. That's
Yeah, that's so when you Yeah. When you
[1:33:49] walk into a little Airbnb, it's a little
one,
[1:33:52] » right? You don't Maybe you can throw
them into restaurants. Correct.
[1:33:56] » Just so you you'll know what's going on
in the town where you you know later on
[1:34:01] and stuff.
>> Yes, sir. I I love the idea and I really
[1:34:04] like the idea that the businesses are
going to help pay for this
[1:34:07] » because not just the town residents um
the people who actually going to benefit
[1:34:12] from getting more business and you know
you might have a little restaurant it's
[1:34:16] not doing well. It's great. It's a great
place but no one knows about it.
[1:34:19] » Yeah. this way they'll find out about it
and hopefully they'll they'll
[1:34:23] » I'm glad to see the vision. Thank you.
>> It's a great idea.
[1:34:25] » Thank you,
>> Mr. Mayor. Mr. W.
[1:34:29] » Yeah,
>> um
[1:34:33] so by the way, I like the concept you
and we got a preliminary look at it and
[1:34:37] I like the placements because it was
important to me also to let's not just
[1:34:43] focus down there,
>> but okay. So, I did scan your QR. And by
[1:34:48] the way, really cool.
>> Thank you.
[1:34:50] » Okay. And Surfside Pier's, by the way,
already on there.
[1:34:53] » Yes, it autoopulates location.
>> So, but there's a open button on here
[1:34:59] » in out in the ocean beside my pier.
There's a There's an open. What What
[1:35:03] What would it do if I hit it? It doesn't
do anything currently, but what would it
[1:35:09] What would that do if we came on board
with you all? Would that take you to my
[1:35:14] web our town website?
>> Correct. So that's a placeholder for
[1:35:17] town website.
>> Okay. Yes,
[1:35:18] » that's what I want.
>> And it tells you all the data that you
[1:35:21] would like to know about the town and
>> anything we wanted to load in there,
[1:35:25] right? The beach rules, the whatever it
could be.
[1:35:28] » Also, uh, sorry to interrupt. Ad
placement is huge on this.
[1:35:31] » Yeah.
>> Um, not the nasty Google ads with that
[1:35:34] little teeny X that you have to figure
out how to hit and get off your screen.
[1:35:36] We don't we don't do that. Um,
>> okay. We run ads that are beautiful and
[1:35:41] they're integrated into the mobile web
app. So it looks like you're actually
[1:35:43] scrolling to something that you're
excited.
[1:35:46] » Yeah.
>> And and by the way, this this
[1:35:48] information I'm not a fisherman, but if
I were, I mean, you've got it all.
[1:35:53] » Thank you.
>> Right here.
[1:35:55] » Everything they need to know to catch
fish.
[1:35:57] » Thank you very much. I appreciate that.
>> Yeah.
[1:35:59] » Thank you.
>> [clears throat]
[1:36:05] » Well, anybody else want to do a Okay,
Mr. I go take a
[1:36:10] » I want I want to make a motion.
>> Okay, that's what I was going to do.
[1:36:13] [clears throat]
>> I'd like to make a motion to approve the
[1:36:16] placard concept for further development
with an emphasis on recapturing
[1:36:21] investment income and ongoing costs and
perhaps lower sign costs. Right there,
[1:36:29] » I'll second it.
Uh, is there any discussion on the
[1:36:33] motion?
>> Yeah, I I have reservation about making
[1:36:39] a vote on it right now. I'd rather see
line by line how much really going to
[1:36:43] cost.
>> Well, I think he's I think Judge's
[1:36:44] motion is to pursue that.
>> Okay.
[1:36:48] » Let me re I'll repeat it for you. um
approved the placard concept for further
[1:36:54] development with an emphasis on re
capturing investment income ongoing
[1:37:00] costs and perhaps lower sign costs.
>> Okay,
[1:37:05] » Mr. Mor.
>> Uh, Miss Shaw,
[1:37:09] » this is going to
the business committee, correct?
[1:37:16] » Do we need to add that in the
>> We're making a motion for her to do her
[1:37:21] job. Basically, [laughter] how she wants
to do it.
[1:37:24] » How she wants to do.
>> We're saying please continue. Okay.
[1:37:27] » Yes. And and yeah, you can talk to
whomever you want.
[1:37:31] » Mr. Ryer, if I could. So, what we're
asking you basically to do is put a put
[1:37:37] some meat together and present a
decision paper for us to look at and
[1:37:42] vote on. Okay, that's Thank you.
>> You're welcome.
[1:37:47] [clears throat]
>> Any others?
[1:37:50] I I am not going to repeat that motion.
If we need it if we need it repeated,
[1:37:54] Mr. Hyatt has it written down. I saw
that. Do does anybody need to hear it
[1:37:58] again?
All right. [clears throat] In that case,
[1:38:01] Miss Medina, will you call the role?
>> Mr. St.
[1:38:04] » Yes.
>> Mr. Coleman,
[1:38:06] » yes.
>> Mr. Walls,
[1:38:08] » yes.
>> Mr. Lawren,
[1:38:09] » yes.
>> Mr. Hyatt,
[1:38:11] » yes.
>> Miss Valent,
[1:38:12] » yes.
>> Yes. Motion carries unanimously and uh
[1:38:16] Miss Small is directed to
>> pursue this.
[1:38:20] » Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr.
Robinson.
[1:38:22] » Thank you, sir.
>> All right. [clears throat] Um we are now
[1:38:26] moving into our first business item, the
strategic payment services. Uh director
[1:38:30] grouper is going to uh introduce uh Miss
Elliot.
[1:38:34] » Uh Mr. Mayor, unfortunately at the last
minute she is unable to attend, but she
[1:38:38] will be here for the September 8th.
>> Okay. So we have to remove that item. Um
[1:38:44] » yes,
>> we don't have to officially vote since
[1:38:46] she's not here, I assume. Okay.
>> All right. Well, thank you for letting
[1:38:49] us know. And uh too bad that didn't work
out.
[1:38:52] » Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. So, we're going to move into
[1:38:55] uh item 8B, a memorandum of agreement.
Uh well, I'm just going to ask for a
[1:38:59] motion on this.
>> Mr. Mayor, Mr. Laworn, make a motion to
[1:39:04] approve a memorandum agreement with the
South Carolina Department of Juvenile
[1:39:07] Justice for fiscal year 2026 to 2027.
>> Second.
[1:39:13] » You got one of them seconds. Okay. Um
All right. Chief Mickel, you run through
[1:39:18] this.
>> Yeah. Uh this is just a renewal of an
[1:39:21] agreement we have with them. an annual
agreement every year. It's just uh an
[1:39:25] agreement that if we uh take a juvenile
into custody and need that we transport
[1:39:30] Columbia detention what their
responsibilities are, what ours are in
[1:39:34] the schedule fees.
Um we didn't even use them once last
[1:39:39] year and the year before that. I think
we brought one to spend a total of $75,
[1:39:46] but their fees did go up this last year.
So, um you're looking at above $175 a
[1:39:52] day if we
arrest the juvenity
[1:39:58] of juvenile um charges are through a
summon where we just we issue them a
[1:40:05] summon to family court and release it to
a parent.
[1:40:09] It has to be a pretty
serious crime for us to take that you
[1:40:15] know
for us to actually take some as larger
[1:40:21] do
we have to have
[1:40:25] we have to be able to transport
agreement that's
[1:40:32] » so yeah so that actually I'll get it
started right we don't really have any
[1:40:35] choice we have to do this
>> non-negot negotiable [laughter]
[1:40:39] costs are in there.
>> We wouldn't be able.
[1:40:43] » So, we're going to vote and but I mean
we can see the writing on the law I
[1:40:48] think.
>> Anybody have any real questions?
[1:40:51] » Yeah, Mr.
>> Real questions. I don't know about
[1:40:53] » Well, I mean we have to vote on this.
But go ahead.
[1:40:57] » But just I just wanted to clarify we we
use Greenville.
[1:41:01] » Is that where we would
>> No. So DJJ has a facility in Colombia.
[1:41:05] If they don't if they run out of space,
the only other facility that's uh we
[1:41:09] sustain cartier is Greenville and they
may take where we bring there and take
[1:41:13] them to Greenville.
>> Oh, but so we
[1:41:15] » we would never take them to Greenville.
They have to go to DJ first and they
[1:41:18] decide where that is.
>> Just thanks [clears throat] for
[1:41:22] clarifying,
>> Mr. I grew up in counties that had their
[1:41:26] own juvenile homes. I've never seen a
state that has one that we got to drive
[1:41:30] a day and a half [clears throat] to get
there and back. Is that really what
[1:41:33] happens here?
>> Yeah. of the only facility that's um
[1:41:37] » wow
>> licensed to do this kind of
[1:41:39] » and then I read in here that they won't
take 17 year olds. What do we do with
[1:41:42] them?
>> Uh that's not um they they would go to
[1:41:47] be charged as an adult and go to uh
>> so is 17 the age of majority in South
[1:41:52] Carolina.
>> Uh I think it depends on the crime and
[1:41:54] how the the uh solicitor's office
decides to charge the person.
[1:42:03] » Wow.
[1:42:06] » [clears throat]
>> says they will not be admitted. Oh,
[1:42:09] » I'm sorry. It says if not be admitted
>> if charged as an adult. Okay, I got it.
[1:42:15] All right. Thank you.
>> Anything else?
[1:42:21] » All right. Then the uh motion is simply
to approve this memorandum of agreement.
[1:42:25] Miss Medina, will you call the role?
>> Mr. Sty,
[1:42:27] » yes.
>> Mr. Coleman,
[1:42:29] » yes.
>> Mr. Walls,
[1:42:30] » yes.
>> Mr. Longman,
[1:42:31] » yes.
>> Mr.
[1:42:32] » Yes.
Yes, fair.
[1:42:35] » Yes. Motion carries unanimously and the
memorandum of agreement is approved.
[1:42:39] We'll now move on to uh first resolution
and I need a motion for that.
[1:42:44] » Mr. Mayor, Mr. Lawren,
>> make a motion to approve resolution
[1:42:48] 26-0224,
acceptance of donation from Eugene Reed.
[1:42:55] » I'll second it. Okay. You get one of us.
>> Um Mr. Vincent, you want to just tell us
[1:43:02] very quickly? Yes. Uh so uh last meeting
we had we did a proclamation from Mr.
[1:43:07] Reed and so then now this is a
resolution to accept the funds.
[1:43:13] » Any questions, comments?
Okay. So the motion on the table is to
[1:43:18] accept the donation. Miss Medina, will
you call the roll?
[1:43:21] » Mr. Savior?
>> Yes.
[1:43:22] » Mr. Coleman?
>> Yes.
[1:43:24] » Mr. Walls?
>> Yes.
[1:43:26] » Yes.
>> Mr. H?
[1:43:27] » Yes.
>> Miss?
[1:43:28] » Yes.
>> Yes. Motion carries unanimously. The
[1:43:31] donation is accepted. Our next
resolution is uh about KSDB. I need a
[1:43:36] motion. I'll keep it going.
>> Good job.
[1:43:41] » Make a res a motion to approve
resolution 26-0225
[1:43:45] of sec acceptance of donation to keep
Surfside Beach beautiful committee from
[1:43:50] Jane Burie Morgan.
>> Say that right.
[1:43:56] » Uh Mr. Vincent, you want to tell us
what's going on here? I got this from
[1:44:00] the finance department. So, this is a
generous donation from Jane Morgan to
[1:44:04] the KSBB for $300.
>> All right. Uh, Miss Morgan is here. Do
[1:44:09] you just want to tell us uh what you're
doing? Come on up.
[1:44:13] » Why are you being so nice? [laughter]
>> You know, I love surf this best big
[1:44:18] little town or whatever. You know, I do
four parties a year and I have been
[1:44:23] lucky in my life. And so, I pick a
charity at each party. I try to give to
[1:44:28] all the guests who want to [laughter]
contribute you know5 $10 whatever. I
[1:44:32] always always start it with my 100 and
um I think the first one was veterans in
[1:44:37] honor of my dad World War II veteran and
then the food bank here always pick
[1:44:41] things in search uh choice for Todd at
Christmas I'm glad to say they had to
[1:44:45] come out to the house four times to
bring the big boxes. I did invite 300
[1:44:49] people to celebrate my birthday though
[laughter]
[1:44:52] and then uh Surfside Beach Cleanup which
I always knew I'd do. trying to get
[1:44:55] Missouri summertime and then I just did
the humane society and based on
[1:44:59] listening to needing a firehouse that
they practice in I'm thinking my next
[1:45:03] one needs to be [laughter]
>> I was sure she would
[1:45:07] » I know I tried I was hoping he'd still
be here when I anyway so it's just I
[1:45:11] love the sound
>> thank you very much thank you and uh
[1:45:19] and we have KBB here would you uh come
up and tell us what you plan to do with
[1:45:25] this?
>> What can y'all do?
[1:45:28] » Miss Miss Laworn loves public speaking,
so [laughter] this advance
[1:45:33] we're going to invest in a tent with our
um brand on it with KSB like the police
[1:45:40] have in fire department.
>> As you see, we you're at every event, I
[1:45:44] think. So,
>> yes, we're at every
[1:45:46] » All right.
>> Oh my.
[1:45:48] » I was told that we can't ask her any
questions.
[1:45:51] » Thank you.
[laughter]
[1:45:54] Don't even try, Mr.
[1:45:59] » Anything else?
>> No.
[1:46:01] » Thank you very much.
>> Oh, wait. We got to vote first.
[1:46:06] » Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
>> Yeah, we haven't we haven't.
[1:46:11] [laughter]
>> Well, need to double it.
[1:46:14] » She has somebody here that
>> I ain't asking her any questions.
[1:46:19] [laughter]
We realize the writing on the wall.
[1:46:24] » Let's vote and then we'll take some
pictures. Okay. So, the the motion on
[1:46:28] the table is to accept this donation
from Miss Morgan for the KSPB uh branded
[1:46:33] T.
>> Mr. Sty.
[1:46:35] » Yes. With a thanks
>> Mr. Co.
[1:46:38] » Yes.
>> Mr. Walls.
[1:46:39] » Yes.
>> Mr. Wahurn.
[1:46:41] » Yes.
>> Mr. Hyatt.
[1:46:42] » Yes.
>> Miss Fallon.
[1:46:44] » Of course. Yes.
>> American.
[1:46:46] » And yes. Motion carries unanimously.
Your donation is accepted.
[1:46:58] » I might remind I'm in the hotel business
and this equipment and cars don't want I
[1:47:04] can help that way. But a lot of
equipment costs [laughter] and stuff
[1:47:07] like that is what I do.
[1:47:17] I can't see you. There you go.
[1:47:23] » You guys are
supposed to take
[1:47:27] » Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[1:47:31] » All right. Thank you very much.
[1:47:36] » All right. We have another resolution
for public works director. Can I get a
[1:47:40] motion there?
>> Sure, why not? Um, we make a motion to
[1:47:43] approve resolution 26-0226,
reappoint of public works director to
[1:47:49] the technical advisory committee for the
2627 revision of the Ory County Solid
[1:47:54] Waste Plan.
>> Director, you want to tell us what's
[1:47:58] going on here?
>> Absolutely. Thank you again. Um the Ory
[1:48:02] County Solid Waste Authority uh is
subject to the rules of the South
[1:48:06] Carolina Solid Waste Policy and
Management Act of 1991. Uh they required
[1:48:10] every few years, used to be three years,
we made it five now to update their uh
[1:48:15] solid waste management plan for the
county that we it's almost like a plan
[1:48:19] for solid waste for the county. You talk
about population trends, recycling
[1:48:23] trends, and things we can do to make
them better in all of our communities.
[1:48:27] and uh I've been on the committee this
my fourth round uh with them and uh we
[1:48:33] need a council resolution to appoint me
as town's representative back onto the
[1:48:37] committee technical advisory committee.
So you just looking for extra things to
[1:48:43] do in your spare time, right?
>> I think. Yeah, they they asked me and so
[1:48:47] I can't say no. They're all good to me.
>> All right, mayor. I go ahead.
[1:48:52] » Yeah, please. I just I just wanted this
is kind of a really critical time, isn't
[1:48:57] it? I mean, they're looking at expanding
>> the the fill
[1:49:04] of the landfill. Yeah.
>> Hugely expand it uh for through the
[1:49:09] year, whatever. But I mean, we've heard
all
[1:49:11] » trying to get the 2050 out of the
current landfill.
[1:49:13] » And you're uh so you being part of that.
>> Yeah, like I said, this is my fourth
[1:49:18] round going with this. We've been doing
it for a while and and landfill space is
[1:49:22] eventually going to run out in the
county and the garbage is going to have
[1:49:25] to be shipped out of state more than
likely unless they permit more class two
[1:49:30] and three landfills. So, it's a real you
try to buy years. You try to buy some
[1:49:35] years and expand as much as you can.
Come up with ways to reduce the waist
[1:49:39] stream, increase recycling, uh, limit
the amount of material that goes in
[1:49:43] there. This is why we're so focused on
recycling as a as a town. We have been
[1:49:49] for a long time. I started a beach
recycling program. When I started
[1:49:53] working here, I started the e-waste and
household hazards wasters program. Keep
[1:49:57] all this material out of the landfill.
We everything is separated out. Uh and
[1:50:02] uh not everybody does as much as
Surfside does. We're actually very
[1:50:06] recognized throughout the state for what
we do with recycling. Uh but it's going
[1:50:10] to come, you know, the it's going to
come to pass some someday that the the
[1:50:15] price per ton is going to go through the
roof when they run out of landfill
[1:50:19] space. So all these strategies have to
be explored and written down and that
[1:50:23] enables the authority to qualify for
state uh grants and things like that
[1:50:28] that they get from the state. You have
to have a management plan just like our
[1:50:30] comp plan.
>> Well, I will say that I I'll speak on
[1:50:34] behalf and I know the mayor can speak to
this. Anybody that's ever attended some
[1:50:39] of these local grandstand
league of cities, things that we attend
[1:50:46] on behalf of the town, they all speak
very highly of you. And you are you have
[1:50:51] set trends for this. We're doing more
than municipalities with 10 times our
[1:50:58] money. You're doing a great job.
>> Thank you.
[1:51:00] » Yeah. Everybody respects you and speaks
very highly of you.
[1:51:04] » Your your cohorts in crime up and down
the strand.
[1:51:08] » Don't make him cry.
>> No. No. It's It's true. His involvement
[1:51:13] with this has been great. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I appreciate that.
[1:51:16] » Thank you,
>> Mr. Mayor. Uh Mr. Co, you think they'll
[1:51:19] have a recycling in this county like
we're doing?
[1:51:24] » Oh, county. Why? Well, it's it's it's
all about the dollars. You know, the or
[1:51:29] county solid waste authority does not
pick up trash. They don't have uh they
[1:51:34] won't pick up. They rely on everybody to
contract it out like in the county or
[1:51:38] garden city, let's say. Everybody has
these private haulers that they get and
[1:51:42] they if they have to pay extra if they
want recycling, they'll provide it. They
[1:51:46] want extra, but they're charging $30
something dollars for one can. So, a lot
[1:51:49] of people aren't going to want to do it.
>> So, the county has the convenience
[1:51:53] center. Well, the private places charge
how much for a can of dog?
[1:51:58] » In the 30s? Mid30s?
>> In the 30s.
[1:52:00] » Just forget about yard. Forget about
>> They don't get yard waste.
[1:52:04] » Both.
>> They don't get
[1:52:05] » recycle.
>> They don't get concrete. They don't get
[1:52:08] » just one can a week.
>> Just one can a week. They're paying 30
[1:52:11] something.
>> $35. Yeah.
[1:52:13] » How much we paying again?
>> I think we just went to 26.
[1:52:16] » 26.
>> Yes. That's everything [laughter]
[1:52:20] you put.
>> That's four times a week. Come here. Any
[1:52:24] just one goodbye?
>> Thank you.
[1:52:27] » Thank you.
>> All right. Any others? All right. The
[1:52:31] motion on the table is to reappoint uh
director Adair to the uh technical
[1:52:37] advisory committee for the Ory County
Solid Waste Management Plan. Madina,
[1:52:42] will you call the RO?
>> Mr. Sty,
[1:52:44] » yes.
>> Mr. Coleman,
[1:52:46] » yes.
>> Mr. Walls,
[1:52:47] » yes.
>> Mr. Lawren,
[1:52:48] » yes.
>> Mr. Hyatt,
[1:52:49] » yes.
>> Miss Fallon,
[1:52:51] » yes. aircraft.
>> Yes, you are appointed.
[1:52:54] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
[1:52:56] » We'll work for you. Yeah.
>> All right. The final item. Uh I'll take
[1:52:59] this because it has my name on it. A
resolution supporting completion of
[1:53:03] Interstate 73 and the modernization of
the interstate highway system. Uh I'm
[1:53:08] making a motion to approve that.
Resolution 26-0227.
[1:53:14] » All right. So, um, what we have here is
a a letter came from the Myrtle Beach
[1:53:21] Area Chamber of Commerce. Came to
Director Vincent just I mean
[1:53:24] Administrator Vincent just uh a week or
so ago seeking approval to join uh a
[1:53:32] consortium of of managers throughout the
uh county and he showed it to me and I
[1:53:37] said I think we should run that by
council and get uh you know actually
[1:53:41] vote on it. So that's what we're doing.
Um, if you've been here any length of
[1:53:46] time at all, you know, I73 has been
discussed and debated throughout Ory
[1:53:50] County for I think it's close to 30
years. Um, you know, we are the largest
[1:53:56] uh tourist area that is not serviced by
an interstate. If you've ever driven
[1:54:02] here,
>> which I think probably everybody has, uh
[1:54:06] it's not easy to get here. And yet we uh
we the whole Grand Strand area are doing
[1:54:11] great. Um this could be a huge boon to
our tourist economy. It uh could also
[1:54:18] help diversify our economy as you know
we're so tourist uh driven but you know
[1:54:26] businesses manufacturing uh uh IT
professional services they they they
[1:54:32] tend to want to be near interstates for
moving people and moving freight and uh
[1:54:38] you know we lose out on that all the
time. So, I think I73 makes perfect
[1:54:42] sense and all we're going to do is
support the letter that the chamber is
[1:54:48] sending. We're just going to add our
names to that letter if uh if this vote
[1:54:53] is positive. Anybody else want to speak?
>> Mr. Mayor,
[1:54:57] » Mr. Hi. I'd just like to add that not
only does it benefit us in economic
[1:55:02] ways, but this is a high hurricane area
and this establishes another high-speed
[1:55:08] hopefully evacuation which I think is
badly needed on the grand strand.
[1:55:16] » Any others?
All right. The motion on the table is to
[1:55:21] support this resolution. Miss Badina,
will you call the RO?
[1:55:23] » Mr. Stamy?
>> Yes.
[1:55:25] » Mr. Coleman?
>> Yes.
[1:55:26] » Mr. Mr. Walls,
>> yes.
[1:55:27] » Mr. Wford,
>> yes.
[1:55:29] » Mr. Hyde,
>> yes.
[1:55:30] » Miss Fon,
>> yes.
[1:55:31] » Mayor,
>> yes. Motion carries unanimously. Uh,
[1:55:34] since the letter was originally
addressed to Mr. Vincent, I will look
[1:55:37] for you to uh send the uh communication
back to the chamber. Yes, sir.
[1:55:43] » With that, we're item number nine,
public comments, and it's 7:55.
[1:55:49] Come on up.
My name is Anushia shift at the 210 self
[1:55:54] drive was a teaching moment tonight came
up that I want to pick up and talk about
[1:55:59] the general came to do a presentation he
didn't have a laptop director of finance
[1:56:04] handed him her own personal professional
laptop the general brought a flash card
[1:56:09] into it know in any organization you
know he himself may not know in addition
[1:56:15] to that presentation what mar was there
that immediately was trans that laptop
[1:56:20] And that was connected to the network is
already in your network. Tomorrow
[1:56:23] morning when you turn on your computers,
it's going to be on yours. If you go to
[1:56:27] Homeland, the Department of Homeland
Security, FBI, CIA, none of the
[1:56:32] equipment has the ability to log into
it. This is how things get to your
[1:56:36] system. You know, that's how somebody
get into it. I'm not saying something
[1:56:40] happened, but I think you have to watch.
>> Wow.
[1:56:44] If if I were you, I would disable all
these abilities to plug in something
[1:56:48] something to the laptops because that's
how things get to your system. Just want
[1:56:52] to let you know.
>> Wow.
[1:56:53] » Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.
[1:56:56] » It's a good point. We can't we can't
interface with you, but I I think
[1:56:59] everybody was listening.
[1:57:04] » Bill Kenan 1312 North Elwood. Y'all
talked about golf carts. My comment for
[1:57:10] this year is I've seen more underage
drivers, and I'm not even talking about
[1:57:16] 14 year olds. I've seen them so damn
young they can't even reach the pedals.
[1:57:20] They have to sit on and I tried to stop
one and the mother said, "Oh, he's
[1:57:25] fine."
I've learned to slap people before, but
[1:57:29] that was one of the big ones. [laughter]
I
[1:57:34] It is worse this year than I've seen.
And and the reason I see it, I walk the
[1:57:38] dog every day. Walk them in the morning,
I walk them at night. And I'm on the
[1:57:42] boulevard and I keep seeing them come
by. And I'm old and I know that 14 year
[1:57:48] olds look older than they used to. But
this is ridiculous when they can't even
[1:57:53] touch the pedals without sitting on the
edge of much less not having a seat belt
[1:57:57] on. I'm just talking about driving
>> and they're on the boulevard. It's
[1:58:02] crazy. Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. Any other?
[1:58:07] » Well, I I want to officially because I'm
gonna give you
[1:58:10] » name and address. Oh,
>> J Morgan. Um,
[1:58:13] » even though you were speaking, what's my
address?
[1:58:16] » Just give us the street.
>> Um, North Hle Drive. Um, I really am in
[1:58:21] the wholesale equipment and car business
and so listening to the cost of
[1:58:26] equipment. So, I want to say for
disposal or purchase anything, I can
[1:58:29] never help. I don't know how it works
with the city in terms of rules, but
[1:58:33] that's business I've been doing for 38
years. So, if ever I can help that way.
[1:58:37] I'm also treasurer for two nonprofits
and some of the things I listen to on
[1:58:42] the cyber I know a lot about because of
being treasurer of two nonprofit
[1:58:47] organizations. Once again, if I can help
in any way, whether it's the policies
[1:58:51] that I'm rewriting right now for one
very large organization, but I can do
[1:58:55] anything to help. So, strictly that's
the best way to reach me if I can do
[1:59:00] anything to help. Love
>> you. Thank you very much.
[1:59:02] » Thank you. and not looking for a
consulting fee, just volunteering.
[1:59:06] [laughter]
>> Yeah, we don't want to do job
[1:59:09] interviews.
>> All right, thank you very much. Anybody
[1:59:13] else?
[1:59:21] [clears throat]
[1:59:23] » Uh Tori Reed with uh Fifth Avenue North,
519 Fifth Avenue North. And I just
[1:59:31] wanted to come in to say that from my
understanding [laughter]
[1:59:35] we are getting a sidewalk on Fifth
Avenue North. And I wanted to ask how
[1:59:42] long has this been on on the books? And
do we have any say in this because I'm
[1:59:48] uh uh I constantly am getting I'm
picking up trash all week long when with
[1:59:54] people walking up and down without the
sidewalk. And now we're going to bring
[1:59:58] them even closer to our property. And
also I I'm one of uh six or seven uh
[2:00:08] residents that have a circular driveway
that once you put a sidewalk in, it's
[2:00:14] going I'm just going to have a a large
concrete in front of the house rather
[2:00:18] than uh you know just a regular driveway
going in. So, I wanted to know if this
[2:00:26] is a done deal. Also, I talked with
about 10 of my neighbors who also knew
[2:00:31] nothing about it. So, I wanted to find
out what's that process of educating
[2:00:35] people when you're going to have
something major as this. We we get a
[2:00:39] letter to say there's smoke coming out
of our sewers, but we don't get any kind
[2:00:43] of notification that we're going to have
a permanent construction uh uh in your
[2:00:50] resident. So, I just wanted to comment
to say not very happy with the way this
[2:00:56] this uh this project is going and wanted
to ask if there's anything we can do,
[2:01:02] not necessarily to stop it, but maybe to
modify it somewhat. That's all I want to
[2:01:08] say. All right. Thank you very much.
[2:01:15] » Any any other public comment?
All right. With that, we will move into
[2:01:20] the uh council comments. I'm going to
start with uh Mr. Hyatt.
[2:01:26] » Yeah, I'd just like to say thanks for
the people that provided donations to
[2:01:29] the town. Thanks to everybody that
contributed to the meeting. Thanks to
[2:01:32] everybody that chimed in and came here
to spectate. And regarding the sidewalk
[2:01:38] issue, um I believe that that was part
sidewalks were part of the comprehensive
[2:01:43] plan and that's where the idea is
developed. The comprehensive plan is
[2:01:47] visited about every five years. As far
as modifying it, um
[2:01:54] I think the best way to do that is to
talk with your representatives and tell
[2:01:57] us what kind of modifications you'd
want.
[2:02:01] » That's all I have. Thank you, sir. Mr.
Walls.
[2:02:05] » Yeah. [laughter] Just wanted to thank
everybody for uh for coming out tonight
[2:02:09] and sitting in. And I'm glad so many
people love the town that they're
[2:02:15] willing to help us. It's wonderful. Um
and I'll look forward to seeing y'all
[2:02:18] next time. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you, sir. Um Mr. Stamp,
[2:02:25] » I'd like to thank everybody for coming
out the sidewalk deal. Send us some
[2:02:29] information what you think. We can talk
with John. John's heading up that
[2:02:35] project. Uh, I don't think you'll be
able to stop it, but you might have some
[2:02:39] input in the way the way it goes. Maybe.
Uh, I don't know that for sure, but
[2:02:46] we'll see you in a couple weeks. We'll
be back. And if you got any problem, let
[2:02:51] us know. Thanks.
All right. Um,
[2:02:57] Miss Sean.
>> Oh, it's 8:00, people. I'm excited.
[2:03:03] [laughter]
Um I appreciate um hearing that people
[2:03:08] love our town. It is our town and um
going to get back in thing u with the
[2:03:16] senior center. So if anybody would like
to help volunteer that we will
[2:03:21] volunteers there. Um
but I just want to um an extra thank
[2:03:28] you. I was so you talk about being proud
of something. I was so proud of our town
[2:03:35] as a group of people when our K9 CIF
retired.
[2:03:42] We had residents, the police department,
the fire department, committee members
[2:03:47] there, council was there, our neighbors
were there, and um it tears up being it
[2:03:54] was the end of watch, thank goodness, it
was the end of tour. and it was our
[2:03:59] four-legged
family member that's going off to
[2:04:03] retirement. So, I just want to appreci I
just want to say how much I appreciate
[2:04:08] everybody participating.
Y'all have a good night. Let's get out
[2:04:13] of here. [laughter]
>> With that introduction, Mr. Longhorn.
[2:04:18] » Yeah. Thanks. Uh just real quick, I I
first de I just want to say we
[2:04:23] appreciate I appreciated you having the
the sled person here. um also took
[2:04:28] Anushia's comments to heart because
that's um it was a no no where I work
[2:04:32] too. You you you disabled all they
weren't allowed. So um but it just goes
[2:04:38] to show that there's a lot from a cyber
security standpoint that we don't know
[2:04:42] here in the town and getting tapped into
the intelligence that comes out of that
[2:04:47] that group I think is important to our
future because it's not just about
[2:04:52] potential fraud and payments. it's about
the system getting penetrated
[2:04:56] potentially and um and what that could
lead to. So um I just strongly encourage
[2:05:01] that as well as the training that um is
offered out there because it is a really
[2:05:04] big deal and threats change daily. It's
not threats aren't stable. They um I
[2:05:12] said I I lived in that world and um it's
it's not stable. So just want to
[2:05:16] encourage that. Um, secondly, thanks
everybody for coming and it is only
[2:05:21] 8:05, so let's get the heck out of here.
>> Mr. Co, just want to thank everybody for
[2:05:27] coming out. I agree with Mr. Ken about
the tough parts. I've seen tons of kids,
[2:05:35] eight, nine years old. Oh, sure they're
with their mother or father or most
[2:05:40] likely their grandparent. Uh, I actually
witnessed an accident where the child
[2:05:44] went around the corner, couldn't
maneuver the the the turn, smacked right
[2:05:49] into a big bush. Thank god no one was
hurt. Father just backed the car caught
[2:05:54] up and let the kid continue his drive.
I'm yelling and screaming out. He
[2:05:58] couldn't care less. I don't know if it's
a right of passage here or not, but it's
[2:06:04] not safe. It's not a toy shouldn't be
doing. has for sidewalks. And when I
[2:06:10] first came in, I didn't have a sidewalk
in front of my house. Then I moved to
[2:06:13] another house. I had a sidewalk. And
guess what? It was a nice addition.
[2:06:17] Fifth Avenue North is a very very one of
the most dangerous streets we have in
[2:06:21] this town right now. There's a lot of
traffic on it. A lot of people going
[2:06:25] fast. I won't I walk all over the town.
I won't walk on Fifth Avenue. No. It's
[2:06:30] just too dangerous.
It's not going to be that big of a deal.
[2:06:35] I know people don't want it, but maybe
they don't want. I don't know. But on
[2:06:38] once they get it, I think they're going
to really enjoy having a firewall
[2:06:42] because it's going to be a lot safer for
them and the people around them. Again,
[2:06:46] thanks for coming out. That's all I got
to say.
[2:06:49] » All right. Thank you, sir. Um I'm just
going to go on sidewalks uh for a
[2:06:54] minute, too. Uh I I guess I don't know
if it's next meeting or the one after
[2:07:00] that, but I mean the survey crews, I
couldn't believe it. They we authorized
[2:07:04] the payment and they they had some
people out like the next week. I can't
[2:07:08] believe SC DOT is that un busy, but they
they were there.
[2:07:14] » That's
>> Oh, okay. That's who. Okay. No wonder.
[2:07:18] All right. But, uh I I guess an update
on what's the projected plan and all
[2:07:23] that. We talked about it briefly. um you
know when we authorize the the funds for
[2:07:28] it, but we can just do an update for the
community, maybe talk about what the
[2:07:33] plans are in in a little more detail,
which side of the roads they're going to
[2:07:36] go on and so forth. Um and again, I'll
leave it to you guys when it's
[2:07:41] appropriate to bring that. But ideally
if there is any uh opportunity for
[2:07:46] citizen input it would be good to uh
have that at that you know soon so that
[2:07:51] they could put some uh make some comment
if if there is again any opportunity to
[2:07:56] change anything. Um,
secondly, golf carts. Uh, I'm not asking
[2:08:02] Chief Mickel to, uh, answer this at this
point, but I see a lot of them, and I
[2:08:07] don't know if this is what you guys are
talking about, but where the kids can't
[2:08:10] reach, but they're sitting on the lap of
mom or dad.
[2:08:13] » Who's really driving at that point? Can
that uh, family, that driver be cited
[2:08:19] for having the kid in front? She
certainly isn't wearing a seat belt,
[2:08:22] probably. So that would in your next
report just put some commentary in that.
[2:08:28] I'm not asking for a a special uh
session on this but you know just
[2:08:34] educate all of us how how you how the
police see that. Um still speaking of of
[2:08:39] police uh the CIF retirement was uh
>> pretty outstanding. Um I I can only hope
[2:08:46] I'm that missed when I'm [laughter]
>> ready to move. I don't think so.
[2:08:51] But uh but don't throw tennis balls at
me
[2:08:54] like that. I'll just close out by saying
um the primary uh runoff is tomorrow.
[2:09:01] That's why we're meeting tonight. We're
going to scoop up all the chairs and all
[2:09:04] that. Um if you're so inclined, don't
forget to vote. With that,
[2:09:10] I need a motion.
>> Mr. Mayor,
[2:09:13] » Mr. Stamley,
>> I'd like to make a motion we this
[2:09:15] meeting.
>> Thank you. Any discussion?
[2:09:19] All in favor? I opposed. None. Motion
carries. meeting a joke.