[0:00] Attorney
[0:02] client privilege
[0:03] and
[0:04] we'll move on.
[0:06] Uh
[0:08] moment of silence right now.
[0:10] Uh I don't know if anyone has someone
[0:12] who's fallen on hard times or passed
[0:14] away.
[0:15] If you do,
[0:16] uh let folks know, but if not, let's
[0:17] have a moment of silence.
[0:19] Uh
[0:20] brings me forward and especially keep in
[0:22] mind next month, September, means Yeah,
[0:25] September 11th.
[0:26] And of course you can ask
[0:28] So, please remember
[0:39] Thank you very much.
[0:41] Pledge of allegiance.
[0:46] » I pledge allegiance to the flag
[0:49] >> [clears throat]
[0:49] >> of the United States of America
[0:51] and to the republic for which it stands,
[0:54] one nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:58] liberty and justice for all.
[1:08] » All right, Susan Crumb.
[1:16] I grew up in my local lines to the next
[1:18] side, but I'm here to consider what's on
[1:20] the agenda tonight. Which one?
[1:25] I'll congratulate you on waiting till
[1:26] the end of the season to put it on the
[1:28] agenda, but thank you for putting it on
[1:30] the agenda nonetheless.
[1:32] Um
[1:34] I'll I'll sit here with the support of
[1:35] the Inner Education Partnership. I do
[1:37] this every year. That should be no
[1:38] surprise to you as well.
[1:41] Um the Inner Education Partnership has
[1:42] done a great job giving many grants for
[1:46] uh teachers,
[1:47] giving scholarships to students in
[1:49] Hinder County regardless
[1:53] of their um GPA,
[1:56] regardless of their economic standing,
[1:58] they are vetted by what they plan to do
[2:02] with their life and how they plan
[2:03] themselves and who stand, protect, and
[2:06] enhance.
[2:07] So, I think they're a very
[2:11] I'm sorry to interrupt but I found it.
[2:13] I think they're an amazing partnership
[2:15] and they do a lot for the inner county
[2:17] students and the school all across the
[2:19] county.
[2:20] So, I'm going to
[2:21] absolutely support them.
[2:24] Um on other notes, I would like to know
[2:26] when we're going to get an update on our
[2:27] traffic situation in Surf City.
[2:31] And I would like to know when we're
[2:33] going to get an update on any budget
[2:34] amendments so that we're not using our
[2:37] funds accordingly.
[2:40] I'm going to stop now. Thank you.
[2:43] Yeah, how much?
[2:46] >> This is the one that was submitted
[2:47] online for the noise ordinance.
[2:51] Do you want me to read it?
[2:52] >> Oh, I don't mind.
[3:00] You can summarize it if you want.
[3:02] >> It is from Daniel Arnold. He um
[3:06] concerning the noise ordinance, the bass
[3:08] levels are too high at the most musical
[3:10] events around the town especially coming
[3:12] from the Pirates Tavern.
[3:14] That's actually what it was.
[3:22] » Okay, so he thinks the hot noise is too
[3:24] loud.
[3:24] >> Mhm. And he wants to know how the
[3:27] speakers are directed out to be directed
[3:30] in. I actually think he's right.
[3:33] I bet you do too.
[3:35] >> I do.
[3:37] >> What I read, the only difference between
[3:39] our proposed changes to what
[3:42] Mr. Arnold suggested was on the weekend.
[3:44] I think the decibel level was the same
[3:47] as what we're getting ready
[3:49] to we got recommended tonight. But, when
[3:52] was talking about changing the speakers,
[3:53] that will make it less loud for where he
[3:55] is, but it might make it louder for
[3:57] somebody else. So,
[3:59] that would be
[4:00] >> Now, what it does is
[4:03] Yeah.
[4:04] >> Yeah.
[4:12] This is the mayor's minute. Change it up
[4:14] a little bit. Do a little work. New
[4:16] mayor's minute. I'm going to update the
[4:17] things that have been
[4:18] and find the
[4:20] Y'all have brought to our attention and
[4:21] wanted us to follow through on that.
[4:24] And then you will put it in there.
[4:25] All right.
[4:27] Continue on.
[4:29] >> Sure. Um, we would like to just update a
[4:32] few things, but um, first thing I would
[4:34] like to do is I would like to introduce
[4:36] our new building inspector and code
[4:39] enforcement officer.
[4:41] Um,
[4:42] You read this back to them.
[4:44] Um, so I'd like to uh, introduce Doug
[4:47] Skipper. He's at the back of the room
[4:48] here.
[4:49] Uh, Doug comes to us with 12 years of
[4:52] service with local government in various
[4:54] roles, including facilities, grounds,
[4:56] and street supervisor. He also has
[4:58] emergency management experience, so
[5:00] that's very helpful, certainly being
[5:01] here in Topsail Coast.
[5:03] Um, before local government, Doug spent
[5:05] 20 years as an outside plant
[5:07] telecommunications system tech.
[5:09] I'll let you ask him what that means.
[5:11] I'm not going to sugarcoat that.
[5:13] >> [laughter]
[5:13] >> Uh, he is a North Carolina native and
[5:16] has been a resident of the area for more
[5:17] than 25 years. Um, and he actually
[5:21] married his beautiful bride right here
[5:22] in Topsail Beach at the Assembly
[5:24] Building. So, we very much have some
[5:26] ties here to Topsail Beach and hopefully
[5:28] some love.
[5:30] Another fun fact, Doug was actually
[5:32] employed with the town way back in 2013
[5:35] as a marina attendant. So,
[5:37] >> [clears throat]
[5:38] >> um, he started last Monday, hit the
[5:40] ground running. He's already been a huge
[5:42] asset to the Community Development uh,
[5:44] Department and the town as a whole. So,
[5:47] I am happy to welcome back the to the
[5:50] Topsail team. And if you have the
[5:52] opportunity at some point coming up, I'd
[5:54] love you all to stop by and introduce
[5:56] yourself and give him a warm Topsail
[5:58] Beach welcome.
[5:59] Doug, would you like to say anything?
[6:03] » Well, I just want to say Topsail Beach
[6:05] is the coolest beach town on the island.
[6:08] You guys do a lot right down here,
[6:10] obviously. I think you struck a good
[6:12] balance down here and I'm
[6:13] real happy to be a part of this good
[6:15] team. You got a great municipal team
[6:18] here. I've seen a few now, so I got a
[6:21] pretty good gauge on that.
[6:23] I can be of any help beyond my duties as
[6:25] building inspector, please let me know.
[6:28] >> Thank you, Doug.
[6:29] >> You're welcome.
[6:33] » Welcome to Topsail Beach. Full-time
[6:35] employee.
[6:37] >> And we're very excited.
[6:39] Um and then secondly, um based on some
[6:42] previous comments that we've had um
[6:45] regarding the new legislation um
[6:47] regarding occupancy tax, as we have
[6:50] said, uh we've been trying to get kind
[6:52] of to the bottom of that. And we we had
[6:54] some a local act that we we weren't sure
[6:56] how that was going to kind of co-mingle,
[6:58] so we had to do some digging, but we
[7:00] have finally gotten an interpretation on
[7:02] that and I'm going to let Connie explain
[7:04] that to you guys.
[7:08] » Okay, so back in 1984,
[7:13] we had a local act, the Topsail Beach
[7:16] accommodation tax. And this act, in our
[7:20] section
[7:22] uh routine that Rochelle has just put up
[7:25] on the screen for you, um it states that
[7:29] under this act, all occupancy taxes so
[7:32] received shall be used only for
[7:34] tourism-related expenditures,
[7:37] which expenditures shall include public
[7:40] safety, police protection, fire
[7:42] protection, public facilities and
[7:44] utilities, health facilities, solid
[7:47] waste, and sewage treatment, and the
[7:50] control and repair of water front
[7:52] erosion.
[7:53] It shall not be proper for the town to
[7:55] use any of these funds for services
[7:56] normally provided by the town on behalf
[7:59] of the citizens, unless these services
[8:01] promote tourism and enlarge its economic
[8:04] benefits by enhancing the ability of the
[8:07] town to attract and provide with
[8:09] tourists.
[8:10] Um
[8:11] the Senate bill 484,
[8:14] this I feel that was connected in 1984
[8:17] does simply receive that, and we are not
[8:20] in violation, nor is our service city, I
[8:22] believe.
[8:24] We wanted to let everybody know that.
[8:26] We're glad of that. So.
[8:33] We did have our attorney was very
[8:35] adamant in helping us get that
[8:37] information, and we thank you, Mr.
[8:38] Mayor.
[8:40] >> You're welcome.
[8:43] » Um another update that we would like to
[8:46] give is that I think that some
[8:48] information there is
[8:49] certainly since the incident with the
[8:51] fire on South Shore, there was some
[8:53] concern as to, you know, that road being
[8:56] blocked um with emergency services and
[8:58] things like that. And one of the
[9:00] concerns was our um landing zone if we
[9:03] were to have to have a medical um
[9:05] helicopter land here. Um
[9:08] we all know, I think we've probably all
[9:10] seen,
[9:11] we've had to use
[9:12] typically use the intersection of
[9:14] Haywood and South Anderson.
[9:17] Um right now there's a vacant lot there,
[9:19] and I guess there was a lot of concern
[9:20] of what happens if that lot develops and
[9:22] we can no longer use that site. Um we
[9:25] certainly have back ups. Rest assured.
[9:28] Um I talked to Bo um at the fire
[9:31] department. He let me know that our
[9:32] primary location is at North Anderson
[9:35] and Haywood Avenue. Um but if that road
[9:37] is developed or if there's that
[9:39] intersection
[9:40] unusable for that purpose, a secondary
[9:43] location is down at the intersection of
[9:45] Florida and Ocean.
[9:47] Um a larger section not on South
[9:49] Anderson, but on Ocean.
[9:51] Um and even a third location has been
[9:54] designated down at the um cul-de-sac of
[9:58] Monroe Lane.
[10:00] So, um there is a fourth I'm not even
[10:02] going to mention it cuz um we we all
[10:04] probably never get there. But, there is
[10:06] a even a fourth option. So, um these
[10:09] three locations have all been all the
[10:11] GPS coordinates have been sent in to
[10:13] Kinder County Emergency Management.
[10:15] Also, um
[10:16] uh with their 911 center. They've even
[10:19] been sent to the um private companies um
[10:22] that that do the private you know, now a
[10:24] lot of that is on private unfortunately
[10:26] like AT&T and things like that. So, um
[10:29] but just rest assured we we do have our
[10:31] primary location, but we have many many
[10:33] backups. Um if if it ever becomes
[10:36] needed. So,
[10:37] just want to make sure everybody's rest
[10:38] assured with that.
[10:41] >> Thank you.
[10:42] Um and also to address some of the
[10:45] traffic issues, you see DOT is
[10:49] through our our planning organization
[10:51] that we're part of has come up with
[10:53] several uh different options that they know that we want to move forward.
[10:58] However, it seems with close DOT. And um
[11:01] the ones that we uh have been identified
[11:05] um number one is the real
[11:07] realignment of the
[11:09] it's it's 210 and 60 interchange, but
[11:12] not necessarily realignment but they're
[11:13] adding another
[11:14] to be able to pull off off 210 and come
[11:17] to Medlin Avenue.
[11:19] Medlin Drive.
[11:20] So, there's going to be another
[11:21] intersection there that will have to
[11:22] relieve some of the traffic from
[11:25] public's
[11:27] intersection.
[11:28] Uh the other is tied to that. This is
[11:32] be bit longer range.
[11:34] It is an improvement on Highway 17
[11:36] coming in.
[11:38] And that will go to like a dual lane
[11:40] coming into our proper road.
[11:43] 17 and I think that was all that road
[11:45] will be a four-lane road.
[11:47] They could have changed but time is not
[11:50] on our side.
[11:51] Uh the work on the first item that it
[11:54] has been approved for budget year is $24
[11:57] million.
[11:59] And that work
[12:00] uh is supposed to start in 2030.
[12:03] The
[12:04] And so we're waiting to learn. And the
[12:06] third item that that's on
[12:08] the board right now is uh
[12:11] I guess an extension of our road that
[12:13] goes
[12:15] uh you remember that IGA had the road in
[12:17] front of it?
[12:18] That might be resurrected again. So, we
[12:21] would take a straight shot to our our
[12:23] road through town. I guess so we can
[12:25] avoid the roundabout. And they'll get to
[12:28] the north section of the
[12:29] town.
[12:31] Uh I don't have any report on the
[12:33] [clears throat] topic.
[12:34] Monitoring the traffic
[12:36] >> Um I can tell you that um
[12:38] DOT wanted to conduct some
[12:42] more studies um of the traffic
[12:44] especially along the corridor section
[12:46] coming onto the island.
[12:48] Um and they requested that we hold off
[12:51] on the flaggers
[12:53] um while they conducted their survey.
[12:55] Um they they were able to complete that.
[12:57] We actually just got an email on August
[12:59] 4th um from the engineering firm that's
[13:02] doing that study for DOT. And they were
[13:05] able to complete all of that, but now
[13:06] they need 2 weeks after that in order to
[13:09] do their comparison so they can see you
[13:12] know, the 2 weeks of what they did with
[13:14] the signaling and things like that. And
[13:17] they need 2 weeks behind it. So, we're
[13:19] still looking at another, you know,
[13:22] week
[13:23] uh of that.
[13:26] At that time after that, I think Kyle
[13:27] and I have talked about getting back
[13:28] together and trying to decide if maybe
[13:30] we want to bring back the flaggers at
[13:32] least for Labor Day weekend.
[13:34] Um, but that would probably be the last
[13:36] weekend that we would do it. Um, we do
[13:39] today with the $30,000 that the board
[13:42] approved for um, the traffic, um, we've
[13:45] used 16,000 today. So, we do have some funding left over if you would like
[13:51] to do the same thing
[13:52] something.
[13:53] If you will likely see them Labor Day
[13:55] weekend, we think it will help to manage
[13:57] the uh, heavier holiday traffic, um, but
[14:00] that might be the last only last weekend
[14:02] you see them back for this season.
[14:04] >> So, the light on the bridge will remain
[14:06] for a while.
[14:07] Cuz I think that does help.
[14:09] >> The light on the bridge has shown
[14:11] they've got some some data to back that
[14:13] up that it does seem to help helps
[14:15] getting traffic on the island. It
[14:17] doesn't necessarily help in, you know,
[14:18] traffic getting off cuz I mean, it I'm
[14:21] sorry, it helps getting off the island,
[14:22] but it doesn't help necessarily getting
[14:24] on the island. So, there's some
[14:26] complaints that, you know, it backs
[14:28] traffic up, um,
[14:30] over the bridge and onto that corridor
[14:32] area with the traffic light there. But,
[14:34] it does help to get the traffic off of
[14:36] the island.
[14:37] Um, I think that what we found in our
[14:41] preliminary, this, you know,
[14:43] non-scientific study, um, and actually
[14:45] what DMV has found as well is there just
[14:48] gets to a point where there's so much
[14:50] traffic saturation that it really
[14:53] doesn't
[14:54] There is no answer.
[14:56] Um,
[14:56] you know, we've all brainstormed, not
[14:58] only Kyle and myself, but other other,
[15:00] you know, DOTs and and other entities
[15:03] trying to just throw spaghetti on the
[15:05] wall what we can, you know, talk about.
[15:08] Um,
[15:09] so, there's some ideas and we're going
[15:11] to continue to to write them all down.
[15:13] If you have an idea, bring it to me.
[15:15] We're going to write it all down and and
[15:17] go through it. So, even if it seems
[15:19] crazy, bring it to me. Um,
[15:22] and you know, that's all we can do, but
[15:23] there just gets to a point where there's
[15:25] so much saturation with traffic that
[15:29] I don't without more pavement
[15:31] and more roads, I'm not sure what else
[15:33] we can do.
[15:38] » But they're going to resurrect the IGA
[15:41] lane.
[15:43] >> Do you mean coming
[15:45] Would that work?
[15:46] >> I have a I have a picture of it. If I
[15:48] can if I can get it in up here quick and
[15:50] I'll see if
[15:52] you can do that.
[15:57] Um basically what's going to happen is
[15:59] where where we go to the roundabout,
[16:02] there's going to be a secondary kind of
[16:04] road that you could go straight towards
[16:06] the IGA without having to enter the
[16:09] roundabout.
[16:11] >> That makes sense.
[16:12] >> Uh well, anybody who anybody who would
[16:15] want to go to the North end doesn't have
[16:16] to go into the traffic circle.
[16:18] >> What about Kinston Avenue where all
[16:21] these people are coming from both ways
[16:24] and hogging in if it's even straight,
[16:27] it's still going to be a problem.
[16:28] >> Yeah, that's Believe me, we've all
[16:30] talked about that being a problem for
[16:32] sure, but um
[16:34] from what I understand again, I'm not a
[16:35] traffic engineer, so I can't you know, I
[16:38] can't speak to it, but um you know, I
[16:40] said, "Why don't we they close that
[16:42] off?" You know, so people don't come
[16:43] into the right at the the circle, but
[16:46] unfortunately by closing that off, you
[16:48] push people the opposite way and then
[16:50] into the downtown area where most of the
[16:53] pedestrian traffic is in some cities.
[16:55] So, at this point, that's not what they
[16:57] want to do. They don't want to put that
[16:59] the traffic there, but um they do know
[17:02] that it's it's an issue. Um
[17:04] So,
[17:05] >> One or the other on the surface road.
[17:07] Yeah, let's uh sorry, yeah, that
[17:10] that's a long-term although that's not a
[17:11] high priority right now, so on their
[17:13] drawing board.
[17:14] >> Okay.
[17:17] » It's got to be a nightmare um
[17:19] through there.
[17:20] >> approve the regular agenda.
[17:21] >> I make a motion to approve the regular
[17:23] agenda.
[17:24] >> I second that.
[17:26] >> All in favor?
[17:27] >> Aye.
[17:30] » I'm for the ventures.
[17:32] >> Help?
[17:32] >> No.
[17:34] >> Aye.
[17:40] » Approval of the consent agenda.
[17:45] » I can make a motion to approve the
[17:46] consent agenda as presented.
[17:50] >> Second.
[17:51] >> Motion is second. All in favor?
[17:53] >> Aye.
[17:54] >> One One question on the on the vote. Are
[17:56] the old Christmas trees on the
[17:59] dumping ground there?
[18:02] Do you think that's marketable?
[18:04] >> We I don't know. Um I'm going to reach
[18:07] out to our sales rep from our company
[18:09] and see
[18:11] if there is a market for that and
[18:14] see what happens.
[18:16] >> If it doesn't sell, where do we get rid
[18:17] of it?
[18:19] >> Good question.
[18:21] Cuz it's taking up a lot of room.
[18:22] >> It's a Christmas tree heaven.
[18:24] >> Yeah.
[18:28] » One
[18:31] » Yeah, it's plastic and metal, so
[18:35] >> Okay.
[18:35] >> Next public hearing.
[18:37] Uh
[18:38] item nine.
[18:39] Consider and vote on the funding request
[18:42] for Inner Education Partnership.
[18:45] >> Okay.
[18:46] >> Thank you.
[18:50] >> Everyone does stand.
[18:53] » Welcome.
[18:55] >> How are you everybody?
[18:56] >> Great. Great.
[18:57] >> Great.
[18:58] Great.
[19:02] » I'm going right to the week, okay?
[19:05] >> Help Flags.
[19:07] >> [clears throat]
[19:07] >> That was established in 2015.
[19:11] There abouts.
[19:12] Um it's from an idea of educator and
[19:16] high school scholarship support for
[19:18] Pender County Schools by an individual
[19:21] who actually had a child that was in
[19:24] school with Topsail High School, and she
[19:26] wanted to do something beyond the
[19:27] boosters, which is a lot of athletic
[19:30] focus, and she wanted something in more
[19:33] of an academic achievement pathway.
[19:36] Not only for the students who excels on
[19:38] the field and on the court and had
[19:40] straight A's and all of that, but
[19:42] students that wanted to go to trade
[19:43] school, that wanted to earn a trade, or
[19:45] wanted to get a vocational degree, or
[19:48] even a student who maybe was not the
[19:50] best academically, but wanted to do
[19:53] something.
[19:54] So Pender Education Partnership started
[19:57] out
[19:58] as a small nonprofit organization held
[20:02] by seven board members at the time, just
[20:05] enough to get it started.
[20:07] And I would like to share with you today
[20:09] that 10 years later, effective last
[20:11] year, May of 2025,
[20:14] we have awarded over $300,000 to Pender
[20:16] County Schools.
[20:18] That is a consolidation of high school
[20:20] seniors who submitted application and an
[20:22] essay to our board for review and
[20:24] approval, but also as a newly
[20:26] implemented program, which supports
[20:28] educators at the high schools to include
[20:32] staff as well as teachers, librarians,
[20:35] nurses,
[20:37] uh counselors, anybody that has an idea
[20:40] that is not supported by our district
[20:43] funds in Pender County Schools
[20:45] that would like to do something that
[20:47] would impact a variety of students. It
[20:50] can be a variant age, it can be a
[20:53] variant of the target audience, your
[20:55] STEM students, your
[20:58] um robotics team, whatever it may be.
[21:01] So we have allocated over $300,000 as of
[21:04] this point to Pender Education
[21:06] Partnership.
[21:08] Fact number one, last year we designated
[21:11] $18,000 in award for educator mini
[21:14] grants. Fact number two, we awarded
[21:17] $11,000 for senior high school
[21:19] scholarships. Fact number three, we have
[21:22] put 12 students in a forklift operator
[21:24] certification training program,
[21:26] otherwise known as lift, which is a
[21:28] learning initiative for forklift
[21:29] training that we are in partnership with
[21:32] Coastal Pender Rotary and have been
[21:34] since last year.
[21:36] And the fourth thing I want to share is
[21:37] we recently partnered with what they
[21:39] call Root Ed. Root Ed is a new program
[21:42] that actually is going to help third
[21:44] graders in our area and it helps third
[21:48] graders coming from out of our area to
[21:51] learn about the different things there
[21:53] are to do, like the Turtle Hospital and
[21:55] Moores Creek Battleground and things of
[21:57] that nature. So, we are now partnered
[21:59] with Root Ed,
[22:00] which also is part of Pender County
[22:02] Tourism TDA.
[22:04] The next thing I want to share with you
[22:07] is the need is growing.
[22:10] We are finding more and more students
[22:11] that are reaching out for
[22:13] need, financial need. Particularly with
[22:16] the economy the way that it is right
[22:18] now, it's not as affordable for a young
[22:20] person to go off to college and have to
[22:22] have a car or to be able to find a place
[22:24] to live. Lord knows anybody that's seen
[22:26] rent prices around, you have to rent now
[22:28] for $2,000, $2,500.
[22:31] Imagine being a young person 18, 19
[22:33] years old and you're having to go and
[22:34] find a place to stay, not in the dorm,
[22:37] but in an apartment. You sometimes have
[22:39] to have four and five roommates just to
[22:40] be able to get by. That's the times
[22:42] we're in right now. So, there is a need
[22:45] for more scholarships for our high
[22:47] school seniors.
[22:49] In case you do not know this, there were
[22:51] five high schools in Pender County. We
[22:53] service Pender Innovative Learning
[22:56] Academy. That is an online/in-person
[22:59] facility for young people who experience
[23:02] behavioral issues,
[23:04] anxiety,
[23:06] mental health. We don't want them
[23:08] dropping out, so there is another
[23:10] pathway for them to stay in school and
[23:12] actually graduate,
[23:15] but not have the challenges of the
[23:17] awkwardness when it comes to social
[23:18] behavior and having to interact and be
[23:21] at a normal traditional public school
[23:23] environment.
[23:25] Pender Early College High School, that
[23:27] is a dual enrollment program. This
[23:29] facility is through Cape Fear Community
[23:31] College. I wanted to share with you, I
[23:34] found out today that out of the 250
[23:37] enrolled students at Pender Early
[23:40] College as of right now, 120 students
[23:43] come from the east side of this county.
[23:45] They're bust over to Pender Early
[23:47] College every morning at 8:00 and
[23:49] dropped off. They stay there until 3:15
[23:52] in the afternoon. These young people are
[23:54] taking classes that are college credit
[23:56] classes while they're also earning their
[23:57] high school diploma and their high
[23:59] school credits.
[24:01] Not everyone is cut out to be a dual
[24:04] enrolled student. They're missing out on
[24:06] a lot of things like athletics and those
[24:09] curricular extracurricular programs and
[24:11] organizations and things that people
[24:13] typically do in a traditional high
[24:15] school environment because
[24:17] they are geared for excellence. I want
[24:20] to share with you that some of these
[24:22] students have gone on to some very very eloquent universities. We had one
[24:27] that was from the Topsail Beach area,
[24:29] Alan Miller. She was recognized with the
[24:31] Historical Society. She just went not
[24:34] too long ago to Cambridge, to England,
[24:37] to the Art Institute.
[24:39] And she has studied abroad. We had two
[24:41] students this summer, one went to Italy,
[24:43] one went to Germany.
[24:45] We've had students go to Vanderbilt.
[24:47] We've had young lady that got accepted
[24:49] at Harvard. She's also taking classes
[24:52] for Oxford. We have a young lady who
[24:54] went to UPenn. We have a young man that
[24:56] went University of Southern California.
[24:58] We also have somebody that went to Duke
[25:02] and we have several that go to Chapel
[25:04] Hill and have been awarded the Morehead
[25:06] Scholarship. And if you know anything
[25:08] about Morehead came, that is a very, very strategic and tedious
[25:13] process, an application, and it is only
[25:15] for the Chapel Hill students. And it is
[25:18] typically a full ride. And we've had two
[25:21] students at Pender Early College that
[25:22] have been recognized for Morehead came.
[25:25] So,
[25:27] to catch you up on what's going on this
[25:29] side,
[25:30] at Topsail High School, we recently
[25:33] awarded
[25:34] two $1,000 scholarships and four $500
[25:38] scholarships. We were able to give a
[25:40] thousand more dollars to each of the
[25:42] schools this year by what we were able
[25:43] to raise last year.
[25:46] We typically have at least three from
[25:49] each school. And if we are able to give
[25:52] more, we definitely do that.
[25:56] For the
[25:58] Heide Trask High School, we had four
[26:03] scholarships. We had two $1,000
[26:06] recognition awards and then we had two
[26:09] $500 recognition awards. For Pender High
[26:13] School, we had four. We had two that
[26:16] received 1,000 each and then two more
[26:18] that received another 500.
[26:21] And lastly, let's see.
[26:25] The Jones Traweek Scholarship. We had
[26:27] another individual that was awarded a
[26:29] full ride, which is $20,000.
[26:32] That is an endowment scholarship by
[26:35] Mr. Bill Traweek and honor and in memory
[26:39] of his friend that was a minority and he
[26:42] passed away in a very tragic accident
[26:45] and he continues to support our young
[26:47] people with
[26:50] their education. He takes one student
[26:52] per year and he puts $20,000 in that
[26:55] student and it's a full ride from the
[26:57] time they start their college education
[26:59] to the time they finish.
[27:01] Mr. Traywick has since decided that
[27:03] there is one young lady, the very first
[27:06] award recipient of his scholarship, he
[27:08] will continue to support as she is now
[27:11] in grad school. She is a teacher, she
[27:13] has her own classroom, and she is now
[27:16] getting her master's and I have a
[27:19] feeling she's probably going to get a
[27:20] doctorate in education. But he's
[27:22] continuing to pay for that for her
[27:24] because
[27:26] it's not cheap to go to school,
[27:28] especially if you're going to somewhere
[27:30] that is what we consider a high-end
[27:32] elite university.
[27:34] So,
[27:36] if you don't leave me, listen to this.
[27:39] My name is Yasser.
[27:41] I come from College Park, Atlanta. I
[27:44] moved to Burgaw to pursue my education.
[27:46] And at Pender High School, I have been
[27:48] able to gain many beneficial experiences
[27:50] from clubs and activities like Beta, the
[27:52] Four County Leadership Program, as well
[27:54] as varsity football, track and field.
[27:57] In high school, starting as a freshman
[27:59] during the COVID years, I learned quite
[28:01] quickly that things don't go as you
[28:03] always plan. Growing up in a household
[28:06] with five children, two who have autism,
[28:09] one who needs a kidney, and not having
[28:11] any money, I've learned that things are
[28:13] quite difficult and you have to make
[28:15] effort to make situations be better, not
[28:18] only for yourselves, but for those
[28:19] around you.
[28:20] I work at Hardee's.
[28:22] Not many people can say that with pride,
[28:25] but I do because I help contribute to
[28:28] pay the rent for my mom and dad in small
[28:31] payments because I know they need it.
[28:33] Schooling experiences at home have
[28:35] prepared me for a life in college. A
[28:38] scholarship is going to allow me to
[28:39] pursue my education at North Carolina
[28:41] A&T, majoring business analyst
[28:44] analytics, and as a dual enrolled
[28:47] student, I will also study some other
[28:49] things at UNCW. This scholarship will
[28:52] allow me to attend and work and do my
[28:54] class work attentively and allow me to
[28:57] continue to participate in small
[28:59] projects in my community.
[29:02] And one day, I'm going to be something.
[29:05] Yashal was one of our recipients of
[29:07] scholarship.
[29:09] Meet this individual.
[29:11] Both of my parents were school educators
[29:13] and they worked all across the county
[29:15] teaching in multiple elementary and
[29:16] middle schools. I myself have attended
[29:19] five different schools in Pender County
[29:21] and I feel like I've gotten the best
[29:23] education possible despite some of the
[29:25] extenuating circumstances. We were
[29:28] displaced during COVID.
[29:30] We lost our and we also lost our home
[29:32] during Florence.
[29:34] For these factors alone, this has a
[29:37] paramount effect on my education and as
[29:40] well, it has made me into a much
[29:42] stronger individual.
[29:43] I am dual enrolled at Cape Fear
[29:45] Community College and take advanced
[29:47] placement classes. So, I have learned
[29:49] how to successfully study and manage my
[29:50] time.
[29:52] Throughout my high school career, my
[29:53] peers and I have identified a need for
[29:56] classroom emergency kits in the case of
[29:59] a school shooting. Not that anybody
[30:01] wants to think about it, but these are
[30:02] the times we're in.
[30:04] With the help of the HOSA club advisor
[30:06] and the PTSO and the administrative team
[30:09] at Topsail High, we have been able to
[30:11] supply every classroom with basic
[30:13] emergency essentials and a tourniquet. I
[30:16] also learned about Stop the Bleed.
[30:18] That's the material we received from the
[30:20] nursing staff at Topsail High School. I
[30:23] never imagined I would be able to do
[30:25] something like that and have that
[30:26] experience that would stick with me for
[30:29] the rest of my life as I continue to
[30:31] pursue my career in health sciences.
[30:33] After school, I have decided that I am
[30:35] going to attend Campbell University and
[30:37] major in pre-physical therapy. I'm
[30:40] coming back to Pender County and I
[30:42] intend to help stop the bleed, and I
[30:45] also contend to advocate for more
[30:47] emergency kits as we continue to face
[30:49] these troubled times. I'm forever
[30:51] indebted to staff members, coaches,
[30:53] church leaders, and teachers that have
[30:55] got me where I am, and I'm most grateful
[30:57] to PEB for scholarship.
[31:00] And one more.
[31:04] As one who has moved as many as nine
[31:06] times in my school years, Topsail High
[31:09] School has definitely proved itself in
[31:11] terms of its standards, opportunities,
[31:13] and a level of care that has shown has
[31:15] been shown from its faculty and
[31:17] community. Topsail makes up its lack of
[31:19] cultural diversity through its expansive
[31:21] education system. All of my teachers
[31:24] from history, English, and band have
[31:27] integrated curriculum with different
[31:29] cultures in mind and have provided
[31:31] students the opportunity to take a
[31:33] deeper dive as they desire more
[31:36] appropriate resources. And as a minor
[31:39] minority student, I greatly appreciate
[31:42] that Topsail High School puts a focus on
[31:45] diversity.
[31:47] I have made a decision to become a
[31:49] financial advisor.
[31:50] I also want to come back into Pender
[31:53] County and help educate the poor
[31:54] communities about how to become
[31:56] financially successful, budget planning,
[31:59] setting up workshops, and even helping
[32:02] people at the bank set up an account if
[32:04] that's what I need to do.
[32:06] The teachers at Topsail are very
[32:08] knowledgeable in their field and are
[32:09] dedicated to their students. Their level
[32:11] of care and commitment for the students
[32:13] is evident in their everyday
[32:14] interactions, and they do make
[32:17] everything better.
[32:19] Personally, the band and JROTC has
[32:22] propelled my preparation for continuing
[32:24] my education to allow me to dig deeper
[32:27] and learn about myself.
[32:28] The band has shown me that I love music,
[32:31] and I have now decided I'm pursuing
[32:34] UNCW's music education program,
[32:37] allowing me to share musical
[32:38] appreciation to others around the
[32:40] community, maybe even the country. JROTC
[32:44] has given me spiritual insight into what
[32:46] I need to know how I you to what I need
[32:49] to do to be a leader and a teammate. All
[32:52] of these lessons I have learned from my
[32:54] experiences at Topsail High School.
[32:56] I can make a genuine difference in the
[32:58] world.
[33:01] That is who receives our scholarships.
[33:04] I can't tell you the countless essays
[33:06] that we get. Sometimes we get 42,
[33:09] sometimes we get 45.
[33:11] I have read stories about
[33:14] abuse at home.
[33:16] I have read stories about
[33:19] financial loss.
[33:20] I've read
[33:21] substance abuse issues.
[33:24] I've read about homelessness.
[33:26] These young people pour their hearts out
[33:28] in these essays, and it is evident that
[33:30] they need financial assistance.
[33:33] I've had the opportunity to be the
[33:35] president of Pender Education
[33:37] Partnership going on 5 years now.
[33:39] And sadly next year is my last year.
[33:42] I don't know how they're going to do it.
[33:44] I don't know what they're going to do,
[33:45] but I want to go out with a bang.
[33:49] So, I'm asking the town of Topsail Beach
[33:51] to continue your support and allocate
[33:54] the $5,000 that we need to continue to
[33:57] do the work that we do because we are
[33:59] making a difference.
[34:08] » Any questions or
[34:09] >> Mr. Chairman, I just like
[34:11] >> Yes.
[34:12] >> thoughts running through my head and do
[34:14] it for a minute.
[34:15] >> Oh, let me do that.
[34:16] >> It's just it's easy for us sitting here
[34:19] in a very affluent
[34:21] part of Pender County is to wonder how
[34:24] we benefit from from this because those
[34:26] kids don't live
[34:28] on Topsail Beach. And what I what I
[34:31] would suggest is that
[34:33] we have lots of people drive close to
[34:35] the bridge every day to clean our houses
[34:39] and provide construction services and
[34:41] stuff to support the tourism that we
[34:45] want to have top to be.
[34:47] Those are the parents of these kids that
[34:49] you're talking about.
[34:50] >> Absolutely.
[34:51] >> So,
[34:52] it's an indirect benefit, but for the
[34:54] parents to know that they have that kind
[34:57] of support, I think that it's a really
[34:59] big benefit to our county it is.
[35:02] >> I want to make it very clear that the
[35:03] Pender Education Partnership is not East
[35:05] side versus West side.
[35:07] We are one county. We are Pender strong.
[35:10] We support students on the West side of
[35:12] the county. We support students on the
[35:14] East side of the county.
[35:18] I realize that there is somewhat of a
[35:21] Mason-Dixon line when you cross the
[35:23] Lane's Ferry Bridge,
[35:25] but the need is honestly the same on
[35:27] this side of the county as it is on the
[35:28] other side of the county when it comes
[35:30] to these scholarships. It doesn't have
[35:32] anything to do with infrastructure. It
[35:34] doesn't have anything to do with what
[35:35] was built in this school, what was fixed
[35:37] in that school. That's not what it's
[35:39] about.
[35:40] I have no control over district funds. I
[35:42] can't decide on what's being done in a
[35:44] capital budget, but I can help drive
[35:47] this, and that's what I intend to do.
[35:50] So,
[35:51] if you don't understand that honestly it
[35:54] is a full circle because like he said, a
[35:56] lot of these parents of these young
[35:59] people are your people that work at the
[36:00] grocery stores. They're your bank
[36:02] tellers. They're your car salesmen. They
[36:05] are your people who clean houses and
[36:07] have cleaning businesses. They're your
[36:08] dog groomers.
[36:10] They're only trying to do what they can
[36:12] to afford their child the opportunity to
[36:15] go to school and not have to make the
[36:17] choice between education and earning a
[36:20] living.
[36:23] You want to stand?
[36:25] Please stand. Please stand.
[36:27] Pender Education Partnership was
[36:29] originally started by Susan Cream. She
[36:31] is the originator of this foundation.
[36:34] And I'm telling you right now,
[36:37] my daughter was a recipient of a
[36:39] scholarship for the CNA program.
[36:43] And I got involved because as a single
[36:46] mother, I struggled to help my daughter
[36:48] pay for CNA.
[36:51] And Susan talked me into putting in an
[36:53] application. And I've been hooked ever
[36:55] since.
[36:57] I've been on the board I've been on the
[36:58] board and I've been the president now
[37:01] for this is going on 5 years. So,
[37:05] it touched me
[37:07] and it made me want to go into action
[37:09] and I can only hope that the next
[37:11] president will have as much fervor and zest and passion as I do.
[37:16] Um but
[37:19] >> What you said.
[37:20] >> [clears throat]
[37:20] >> I can't just sit there.
[37:23] It's the teachers, too.
[37:24] >> Yeah.
[37:24] >> So, all the teachers in Pender County
[37:26] schools spend ton of their money their
[37:29] own money for our kids that all these
[37:31] kids benefit from.
[37:34] And they come and they send in their
[37:35] little request. I would like to buy 12
[37:38] blank kids and my kids can learn how to
[37:40] do a clock painter
[37:42] check. There you go. Here's your $150.
[37:45] You can buy a bunch of potatoes.
[37:46] It's It's anything. Anything to help the
[37:49] kids learn. So, it's It is on this side
[37:51] of the bridge, too, cuz I was on this
[37:53] side of the bridge when I started it.
[37:55] So,
[37:56] it is on this side.
[37:57] >> We have a lot of teachers that live on
[37:59] this side of the county that either work
[38:00] in elementary, middle, or high school.
[38:03] And and they will tell you every year
[38:06] they go to the Dollar General and they
[38:08] buy supplies to put in the classroom. It
[38:10] can be anything from baby wipes to the
[38:12] tennis balls that go on the bottom of
[38:14] the chairs to extra pencils to whatever
[38:17] it may be.
[38:18] But when it comes to field trips, when
[38:21] it comes to technology, when it comes to
[38:23] books, when it comes to fun things to do
[38:26] in the classroom, they don't always have
[38:28] that extra money. And that's where PEP
[38:31] comes in. They fill out an application,
[38:33] they tell us how much the dollar amount
[38:35] is,
[38:36] and we try to be as
[38:39] even
[38:40] as we can. We give everybody a cut-off
[38:43] period,
[38:44] and
[38:46] we have awarded a lot of money, not only
[38:49] to the high school seniors, but also to
[38:52] the teachers.
[38:53] And when Hurricane Florence came, a lot
[38:56] of the Pender County staff, to include
[38:58] custodians, janitors, teachers, staff
[39:02] members, a lot of people were either
[39:04] displaced, they had flooding, or
[39:06] whatever. Instead of doing the educator
[39:09] mini grants, we cut checks. We wrote
[39:11] checks for $300, and we gave 69 checks
[39:14] for $300 right before Christmas. They
[39:16] could do whatever they wanted to do with
[39:17] it. Buy gifts, pay a car payment, rent,
[39:21] whatever you want to do. We felt like it
[39:23] was the right thing to do. We had the
[39:25] money,
[39:26] so we did it.
[39:27] We've been blessed.
[39:29] We would like to continue to be blessed.
[39:32] >> Thank you.
[39:32] >> If anybody in this room would like to
[39:34] contribute to PEP, it is the easiest
[39:36] thing in the world to do. You can ask
[39:38] Mr. Ed, he knows how. You either write a
[39:41] check to Pender Education Partnership,
[39:43] it can be any amount you want to. It is
[39:46] tax
[39:47] taxable, it is a tax write-off.
[39:49] You go to First Citizens Bank, any of
[39:52] those lovely people down there know our
[39:53] account number, they'll take your money
[39:55] anytime you get ready. We also are fancy
[39:58] enough now that we have an online
[40:00] contribution. You can go online, pay
[40:02] with your credit card, it gives you a
[40:04] receipt instantly to your email, and you
[40:06] can use that as your tax write-off.
[40:09] Any amount of money.
[40:11] We were not going
[40:13] to turn you away.
[40:15] If you are sitting here, and you don't
[40:17] have any children, you don't have any
[40:18] grandchildren, you don't have any nieces
[40:20] or nephews,
[40:22] please consider leaving PEP an
[40:24] endowment. That money will continue to
[40:26] go, God forbid, after you're not here,
[40:29] but you will be making an impact and it
[40:32] will mean something. So,
[40:35] please consider that as well.
[40:37] >> Do we have a question for
[40:41] » [laughter]
[40:42] >> I'll leave you some of this.
[40:46] » I have a I have a I'd like to make a
[40:48] comment. Um
[40:49] I It's not for you specifically, Tammy.
[40:52] It's actually for all the nonprofits
[40:53] that are requesting, it would include
[40:55] Kathy. Philosophically, I'm struggling
[40:57] with uh giving money to nonprofits.
[41:00] We have two requests tonight. We
[41:02] typically get four in a year.
[41:04] Uh I believe the purpose of the
[41:05] government is to collect taxes to fund
[41:08] government services.
[41:09] I believe government should do little
[41:11] else. I don't see where funding
[41:12] nonprofits
[41:14] fits into that scenario. Individuals and
[41:16] businesses give to nonprofits, which
[41:18] they obviously do, and it's from their
[41:20] earnings and profits. Um I have and will
[41:23] continue to give to most of the local
[41:25] nonprofits both time and money. Um
[41:28] tonight I'm going to help Top Topsail
[41:30] Turtle Project. Um but I'm not inclined
[41:32] to give money as
[41:34] that has been collected involuntarily
[41:36] from others and and it I just don't see
[41:39] how that goes how that makes any sense.
[41:41] So, I'm I'm a no vote on financial
[41:44] giving to nonprofits from the town.
[41:48] Not not not specifically that one, but all of them. Just cuz I have a
[41:52] philosophical problem with that.
[41:54] >> Okay.
[41:56] >> Make a motion to leave uh um
[41:59] I get 500 1500 C. I get
[42:02] >> I'll second the second.
[42:05] >> All in favor?
[42:06] >> I.
[42:11] I with Alex.
[42:14] So we have three two.
[42:16] Yes.
[42:21] I discuss, consider, and vote on Stony
[42:24] Reflect for Historical Society of South
[42:26] Laurel.
[42:27] English.
[42:32] » Evening.
[42:33] >> Um
[42:34] I really enjoyed that. Um
[42:37] I It It kind of
[42:38] I It reminded me that what I heard you
[42:40] say tonight was different than what I
[42:42] have on my tape.
[42:44] Um
[42:47] On Captain Hart, I represent the
[42:49] Historical Society of South Laurel.
[42:51] Um
[42:52] good evening, everybody. Um
[42:56] Allie Miller was mentioned. And because
[42:59] of the support we get from
[43:01] um the town,
[43:03] uh we're able to give people We gave her
[43:05] We provided her a scholarship this year,
[43:08] as well as three other senior
[43:10] from the South Laurel area high schools.
[43:13] We do that every year.
[43:16] And um we also
[43:18] um provide for the aquarium program from
[43:21] that support
[43:23] uh every year. And I actually attended
[43:26] one of those programs.
[43:28] And I was so amazed at the input from
[43:31] the children.
[43:32] And they told me how much they enjoyed
[43:34] it.
[43:35] I really was amazed.
[43:36] Um
[43:38] and also, I think we uh support the uh
[43:40] the Historical Society.
[43:43] So,
[43:45] anyway, okay, I'll read this really
[43:46] boring thing because it nothing can say
[43:50] what you said because you said it from
[43:52] the heart. And uh and that's really
[43:54] wonderful. Thank you for that. Thank you
[43:56] for that.
[43:57] I'll have to take lessons. Thank you.
[43:59] Every time I come here, I'm learning
[44:01] something.
[44:03] It's one of the things that everybody
[44:05] uh, for the opportunity to be here
[44:06] tonight.
[44:07] And, uh, we come before you again
[44:10] tonight to ask for your support. But, I
[44:12] want to begin by saying thank you
[44:14] because of what I just said.
[44:16] Scholarships that we provide,
[44:18] the inquiring program,
[44:20] um, we assist, uh, the town in every way
[44:24] we can.
[44:25] Uh, we're proud to be part of the
[44:27] Topfield uh, our mission is to collect,
[44:29] preserve, and promote the history of the
[44:31] greater Topfield area. And we work hard
[44:34] to make that history accessible to
[44:36] residents, visitors, and future
[44:38] generations.
[44:40] Through the Missiles and More Museum,
[44:42] our programs, lectures, exhibits, and
[44:44] special events, we bring people into the
[44:47] community throughout the year.
[44:49] And those visitors don't just come to
[44:51] visit the museum.
[44:53] They eat at local restaurants,
[44:55] shop in local stores, and stay in local
[44:58] accommodations, and enjoy everything
[45:00] Topfield has to offer.
[45:03] So, while our purpose is preserving the
[45:04] history, we also believe we contribute
[45:07] to the economic and cultural vitality, sorry, vitality of the
[45:13] community.
[45:14] We also understand that the town does a
[45:16] great deal for us. We are fortunate to
[45:18] operate in a community that values its
[45:21] history, and recognizes the importance
[45:24] of preserving it.
[45:25] We don't take that partnership for
[45:27] granted.
[45:28] As you have seen in the letter provided
[45:31] to the council, we are requesting the
[45:33] town continue its financial support for
[45:35] the coming year.
[45:37] That fund helps us provide programs,
[45:40] exhibits, educational opportunities. As
[45:43] I said, we, uh, this every year, we we,
[45:47] um,
[45:47] we award four scholarships. In this past
[45:50] year, I believe they amounted to $16,000
[45:54] and the year before as well.
[45:57] Uh, we're very proud of what the
[45:58] Historical Society has accomplished,
[46:01] particularly particularly as we
[46:03] celebrate 40 years of serving Coastal
[46:05] Isle.
[46:06] But we also recognize that none of this
[46:08] happens alone. It takes the support of
[46:10] our volunteers, our members, our
[46:12] community partners, and the town of
[46:15] Coastal Beach.
[46:16] On behalf of the the Historical Society
[46:19] of Coastal Isle, thank you for your past
[46:21] support. Thank you for your partnership
[46:23] we have today.
[46:25] And we will thankfully ask for your
[46:26] continuous financial support in the
[46:28] coming year.
[46:29] We appreciate everything you do for us
[46:31] and for the community we all care so
[46:34] much about.
[46:35] Thank you very much. And does anybody
[46:37] have any questions?
[46:39] >> I do. Um
[46:41] now that I'm looking at this,
[46:43] I'm guessing the Autumn with Topsail is
[46:46] the largest fundraiser that y'all have.
[46:48] Is that correct?
[46:49] >> in the past, yes. It's changing this
[46:51] year. Oh, it's also
[46:53] Well, because of um the structure the
[46:56] changes made in structure. So, um the
[47:00] 100 the most of it would be 100 um
[47:04] vendors in that area. I would imagine
[47:07] prior to that
[47:08] >> probably knows exactly how many.
[47:10] More than anybody. Are they having to
[47:12] cut it severely this year?
[47:14] >> Not not severely. I think we're
[47:16] down to like
[47:17] in the past
[47:18] >> Yeah.
[47:20] >> Um I know we're down maybe 20 vendors or
[47:24] something.
[47:25] >> I think that we're only going to be able
[47:27] to put vendors around the outside this
[47:29] time.
[47:30] Okay. So, that really cuts it down more
[47:32] than 20.
[47:33] >> No, we've identified additional spaces
[47:36] for 10 more vendors that
[47:38] >> Oh, that's good to hear. So, I'm a
[47:39] little worried.
[47:40] >> It's one of the things that I don't know
[47:42] that we think about is what the town's
[47:45] the services they provide with Autumn
[47:47] with Topsail. Autumn with Topsail you
[47:48] may not know this, but my favorite
[47:50] weekend at Topsail it's fantastic, but
[47:55] do you have any idea what do we spend to
[47:58] support that in I guess fire police do
[48:01] we have to pay the outside agencies
[48:03] anything?
[48:04] >> Um we don't pay the outside agencies
[48:07] they do that under a mutual aid but we
[48:09] do provide them food and water and all
[48:13] of that we believe I've asked
[48:16] for those numbers it's generally around
[48:18] $500 for that but we do have to bring in
[48:22] additional staff for policing here in
[48:24] town and that usually typically runs
[48:26] about $5,000 for the total event.
[48:29] >> And then you this year we're giving them
[48:31] that lot over there correct?
[48:33] >> We are allowing them use of that for I
[48:35] believe the vendor parking.
[48:39] » I didn't know that.
[48:40] >> Do you know off the top of your head
[48:42] about how many spaces we have over
[48:44] there?
[48:45] >> I don't know about 18.
[48:49] » [clears throat]
[48:50] >> I I want to say
[48:52] sure I recognize that the town's special
[48:54] relationship here with the Historical
[48:55] Society is more than more intertwined
[48:58] than than most
[49:01] the town uses the assembly building Auto
[49:03] Topsail uses empty lot parking lot extra
[49:06] police resources I would suggest in lieu
[49:09] of financial assistance we let the town
[49:11] manager and the president of the society
[49:14] come up with an equitable agreement
[49:16] regarding our needs and theirs.
[49:25] » Is anybody
[49:29] And I would like to recommend that we go
[49:32] back to what we gave in 23 and 24 just
[49:34] because we are giving
[49:37] so much in services and
[49:39] Historical Society is near and dear to
[49:41] my heart my mom was involved in the
[49:43] start of that and worked with the
[49:47] Fort Fisher program and to be really too
[49:49] old to be doing that so it's something
[49:52] that's near and dear to me, but I think
[49:55] y'all aren't in the financial struggle
[49:59] today that you were 10 years ago. You
[50:01] may be 10 years from now. We need to
[50:03] re-evaluate, but the town is right now,
[50:07] we got a lot on our plates, and we're
[50:10] trying hard to juggle that with the tax
[50:12] rate. So, I'd make a motion that we
[50:15] provide 5,000 and continue with the
[50:18] services we're providing with Dolly
[50:20] Madison
[50:21] and the parking lot.
[50:24] >> There is a motion.
[50:26] >> Second.
[50:27] >> Is there a motion?
[50:29] >> Second.
[50:31] Any further discussion?
[50:35] Everybody vote. All in favor?
[50:36] >> Aye.
[50:41] » Three to two. Passes. You find those.
[50:43] >> I think I like to say that the
[50:44] historical society is near and dear to
[50:47] my family's heart, and we do support
[50:50] them financially, and we'll continue.
[50:53] And as of tonight, we will also
[50:56] I
[50:57] support that financially as well.
[51:00] >> Thank you, Mr.
[51:00] >> It's just a personal
[51:02] decision, not a town decision.
[51:05] >> Yeah.
[51:05] >> Well, thank you all very much.
[51:08] >> Thank you.
[51:11] » Item number 11, parks and recreation
[51:13] with council. Any report?
[51:16] Okay, planning board.
[51:26] » Good evening.
[51:27] I'm going to talk about the objectives
[51:29] of the planning board.
[51:31] Um at our last meeting, we reviewed the
[51:33] proposed wireless communication
[51:36] structure and number that was presented
[51:37] to us. Talk or actively about some of
[51:40] the power and infrastructure that we may
[51:43] have to deal with in the town.
[51:45] Um
[51:45] because state and federal law provides
[51:47] with the appointment of violence and
[51:49] infrastructure, the purpose is to make
[51:51] sure that the town has clear standards
[51:53] in place governing the location and the
[51:55] design of these facilities. Most
[51:58] importantly, to be consistent with the
[52:00] law, but also protecting the character
[52:02] of our community.
[52:04] Much of our discussion focused on
[52:05] identifying inconsistencies and areas
[52:08] where the language can be clarified, and
[52:10] our goal is simply to make sure the
[52:12] ordinance is clear, that it's objective,
[52:15] that it's enforceable, and that the
[52:17] applicants understand what's expected so
[52:19] that town staff can administer it
[52:22] consistently without unnecessary gray
[52:24] areas. So, we found
[52:27] some revisions we asked the staff to
[52:29] type back in May. We will be bringing
[52:31] the amended language back
[52:33] hopefully to you at the next meeting.
[52:35] We'll review changes and assuming that
[52:37] our concerns have been addressed, we
[52:39] will be back in a position to bring a
[52:41] recommendation to the ordinance. So.
[52:45] Any questions?
[52:46] >> Thank you, Zane. Glad to hear that.
[52:48] Thank
[52:49] >> Thank you.
[52:56] » [laughter]
[53:01] » The report. I've been doing them
[53:03] for 15 years and she and I had a
[53:05] conversation and
[53:07] I asked her if she would send me a paper
[53:09] and she gladly said yes. So,
[53:11] very gracious. Um, also very
[53:13] appreciative of Dev.
[53:14] >> Thanks, Dev.
[53:16] >> Okay.
[53:17] >> Um, and community development can start
[53:19] reading.
[53:20] >> I can go over the college instead of
[53:22] just me, the greenway.
[53:25] But, I did want to bring to you guys
[53:27] I've started working on the flood damage
[53:29] prevention ordinance and I'm on page
[53:33] the new 2026 model ordinance for flood
[53:35] inspecting and I have a significant
[53:36] amount of required language that our
[53:38] ordinance does not contain. We have not
[53:40] adopted a significant ordinance since
[53:42] ordinance changes since 2013 and not
[53:45] having this language could decrease
[53:46] property owners flood insurance discount
[53:48] to currently 20%
[53:50] and put the town in a flood plain
[53:52] writing and standing in jeopardy.
[53:55] Considering the last update the
[53:56] proposals have been tabled by the board
[53:59] since 2022.
[54:02] We will be requesting that the board
[54:03] send this back to staff so that we can
[54:05] begin the process through the planning
[54:07] board once it's complete.
[54:12] » Good morning. I understand the request
[54:14] to that.
[54:15] >> Send it back to
[54:16] >> Do we need to make a motion to
[54:17] >> We need a motion to
[54:19] >> Yeah, and I'm not completely finished
[54:21] with it yet. I've done the majority of
[54:23] the changes. I just need to review the
[54:25] changes that we have made through the
[54:27] years to make sure that everything's
[54:29] consistent and what's already there is
[54:31] there.
[54:32] Um I have reviewed
[54:35] the public comments that we received
[54:38] at both the several times that we met um
[54:41] and address those concerns. If it was
[54:43] recommended language and not required
[54:45] language, I have not included it. That
[54:47] was one of the things that we talked
[54:48] about that, you know, everybody
[54:50] expressly said they didn't want.
[54:52] Everything that's already there will
[54:54] stay there um
[54:56] for the time being. And then like I
[54:58] said, all the required language has been
[55:00] added. It'll
[55:01] be clearly defined what's required and
[55:03] what is recommended.
[55:05] So.
[55:07] » Can we get a copy of
[55:10] all of it? That's been quite a while.
[55:12] We've had many many crises since then.
[55:15] Could you send us back the language what
[55:17] you're recommending so while the
[55:19] planning board's looking at it, we can
[55:21] get back up to speed on it?
[55:23] >> Yes, once I get done comparing it to our
[55:25] ordinance, I've got it.
[55:27] Um I will You guys can get a copy of it
[55:29] so that you can start running through
[55:32] it. And like I said, it'll be
[55:34] one color for required, one color for
[55:36] recommended
[55:38] and all of that. But, like I said, I've
[55:39] not included the language that was very
[55:42] expressly denied
[55:44] by the board and
[55:46] >> Um but that was that was that that was
[55:48] recommended they or was that just likely
[55:50] what we're looking at? As I recall is
[55:52] you couldn't have more than 100
[55:55] condition they on the ground level and
[55:58] anything on the ground level
[55:59] >> That was recommended like I believe we
[56:02] took that out.
[56:03] >> I know we took that out. But, was that
[56:05] recommended by FEMA or federal?
[56:08] >> FEMA itself.
[56:09] >> Okay. Well, okay. So, we have the right
[56:11] to say sorry FEMA we
[56:13] >> Yeah, recommended we can say
[56:15] >> Cuz I think that they were
[56:17] putting us in a really difficult
[56:20] position as far as what those people
[56:22] down here already have.
[56:24] >> Yeah. So, but we are we are very behind.
[56:27] And I hope that if the mayor of Detroit
[56:29] comes and joins us and takes a look, we
[56:31] can get him in control. But, I'd like
[56:34] to go ahead and take care of
[56:36] >> So, it could
[56:38] Steve, this is a very quick question.
[56:40] There are a lot of things here
[56:43] we talked about
[56:45] the situations you can deal with.
[56:48] Paramount, a good number of them
[56:50] are some of the things within the FEMA
[56:52] guidelines that reduces the allowed
[56:56] density in certain areas that otherwise
[56:59] would be allowed by FEMA zoning. They
[57:02] would render certain properties as
[57:03] non-conforming.
[57:05] Do you know whether or not any of the
[57:07] required language would have that
[57:09] impact? The reason why I bring it up is
[57:10] that it then puts you in a catch-22. You
[57:13] want to comply with these federal
[57:14] guidelines, but then you would also be
[57:15] in violation of the prohibition against
[57:18] downzoning legislature has imposed on
[57:20] us.
[57:21] So, I just I don't want to add to your
[57:23] work.
[57:25] I don't want to add to the complexity of
[57:26] what you're doing already, but
[57:27] unfortunately it is complex.
[57:29] >> Right. And this This released after the
[57:31] downzoning and everything else. So, I'm
[57:32] sure some of that language has been
[57:34] adjusted. I will reach out to him
[57:36] um and make sure that we are covered in
[57:38] that.
[57:39] >> Yeah, it's not like we have large tracts
[57:40] of land we're concerned about current
[57:42] zoning, but
[57:43] in fact it's there. Would be river
[57:45] certain properties as
[57:48] the board is
[57:49] >> It would have been good of us to have
[57:51] him review it before we send it to the
[57:53] planning board.
[57:54] >> So, it also would be good that we aren't
[57:56] doing something that's going to come
[57:58] back and bite us that we don't see from
[58:00] a legal standpoint.
[58:01] >> It will also be sent to our local FEMA
[58:04] rep.
[58:05] >> Okay.
[58:05] >> So, that she can review it as well. Make
[58:08] sure.
[58:09] >> What can we um
[58:11] >> Well, he has to. I don't have authority
[58:12] to. He has to see it before we
[58:14] >> Before we send it to her, let let Steve
[58:16] go through it
[58:18] and see if there's anything in there
[58:19] that could trip us up. I don't know if
[58:21] we need a motion to send it back
[58:24] to you or not or not just go ahead and
[58:26] we have to make these
[58:28] amendments to it.
[58:29] >> Being that we tabled it, I would feel
[58:32] more comfortable if you guys made a
[58:34] motion
[58:35] >> Okay.
[58:35] >> to send it back.
[58:37] >> Do we make a motion to send it to Mr.
[58:39] Coggins and once he's reviewed it,
[58:42] provide his comments and then send it
[58:44] back to you?
[58:44] >> me first so I can finish it.
[58:46] >> He can send it back, right.
[58:46] >> Can he send it back to you, you finish
[58:48] it and then you send it to him and then
[58:51] >> I mean, I think it would be easier than
[58:52] a three-step process if I finish it and
[58:54] then send it to him and then he gives me
[58:56] comments and then
[58:58] Okay, then it goes to the planning
[58:59] >> But then it
[59:00] >> Look at it from a board of planning
[59:01] board.
[59:01] Yeah.
[59:03] >> Is there a motion?
[59:04] >> That's That was a motion. You got that.
[59:06] >> [laughter]
[59:07] >> Is there a motion and a second?
[59:09] >> I'll repeat it.
[59:10] >> Um
[59:12] All in favor?
[59:12] >> Aye.
[59:14] >> Thank you.
[59:14] >> Okay.
[59:15] >> Can say uh that Riceville Beach has
[59:18] spent a ton of time on these issues.
[59:22] Um
[59:22] and they're more than willing to share
[59:25] with us
[59:27] what they've been through and what their
[59:29] recommendations are. That
[59:31] seems helpful.
[59:36] » You got the opening yet?
[59:37] >> Yeah.
[59:37] >> Immediately it's great.
[59:40] >> Good then.
[59:43] » If they
[59:44] the IAS, there was not a meeting or do
[59:46] you have
[59:47] >> I have a couple of things.
[59:48] >> Okay.
[59:49] As always I'll be brief.
[59:53] Um now um
[59:55] we are going to have a meeting tomorrow.
[59:56] We didn't have one last week.
[59:59] And there's a couple of things I want to
[1:00:01] bring to your attention. At the end of
[1:00:02] our fiscal year
[1:00:04] um the IAS fund had 9.2 million.
[1:00:07] Uh we started the fiscal year at 6.2 so
[1:00:10] the gain
[1:00:11] was 3 million which pushes, thanks to
[1:00:14] you guys,
[1:00:15] uh pushes us on target for having 12
[1:00:17] million next year when we have our next
[1:00:19] project.
[1:00:21] Uh our project will be in the fall of
[1:00:23] '27 going into '28. Family Matters
[1:00:26] project.
[1:00:28] Probably get a $25 million project that
[1:00:30] we need to be positioned
[1:00:32] to ask for it and to get it done and
[1:00:35] then be in a position for any sort of
[1:00:37] emergency. So really thanks to you guys
[1:00:40] for having the foresight to keep that
[1:00:41] going.
[1:00:42] Um
[1:00:44] the other thing is that we've had a
[1:00:45] water management task team and we Last
[1:00:47] time we met was on July the 20th.
[1:00:50] Uh we've reviewed all the information
[1:00:53] that we put together through the Adorno
[1:00:55] study.
[1:00:56] Um we've taken a tour looking at some of
[1:00:58] the outfalls that are backing up.
[1:01:00] The water.
[1:01:01] Um our own mayor is helping further the
[1:01:04] cause on Rocky Mount and doing some
[1:01:07] survey work on that.
[1:01:08] We're trying to get it into a bundle so
[1:01:10] that we know
[1:01:12] for
[1:01:13] water importation, this is a project we
[1:01:16] need. For title backup, this is a
[1:01:18] project we need. And pull together all
[1:01:20] of this in terms of what the funding
[1:01:22] will be required, so we're pushing this
[1:01:24] down the road a little bit.
[1:01:26] Um
[1:01:27] the other thing is that uh switching
[1:01:28] gears here a little bit, TI Coastal has
[1:01:31] collected all the pre-storm,
[1:01:33] pre-hurricane season data.
[1:01:35] Um they haven't processed it all, but we
[1:01:38] should be in within a week or so of
[1:01:39] having new contour maps for the sound
[1:01:42] and also on the beach, so that we know
[1:01:44] how much sand we had in the beach
[1:01:46] before any potential hurricane.
[1:01:49] So, if we lose sand, we know how much
[1:01:51] we've lost and what the value is. So,
[1:01:53] we're making progress on that. And the
[1:01:56] last thing I do want to report is the uh
[1:01:58] TISPC next meeting is on August the
[1:02:00] 27th, but there's a big signing ceremony
[1:02:04] at Surf City on Monday.
[1:02:07] Um Surf City has been pursuing a 50-year
[1:02:11] coastal storm damage mitigation project
[1:02:13] for 20 years. And they are just on
[1:02:16] Monday in a position to sign a
[1:02:19] project partnership agreement.
[1:02:21] But this is significant to us, too,
[1:02:25] because we are putting sand on the
[1:02:26] beach, we know we have a north-to-south
[1:02:29] lateral flow of sand.
[1:02:31] By them now having a 50-year project,
[1:02:34] it's probably going to be 6 million
[1:02:36] cubic yards.
[1:02:37] It's going to help this whole island.
[1:02:40] And so, I would invite you guys to come
[1:02:43] on Monday at 10:00 to help Surf City
[1:02:45] celebrate this milestone event. Uh it's
[1:02:48] going to help us all in the end. Um
[1:02:52] I think that's all I got.
[1:02:53] Thank you very much for your time. Any
[1:02:55] questions?
[1:02:57] >> I would like to ask everyone in this
[1:02:59] room to share with
[1:03:01] your friends and neighbors and
[1:03:04] uh anyone that's interested in what's
[1:03:06] going on that our new water management
[1:03:09] task force is is working extremely well
[1:03:12] with BIS and with our board.
[1:03:14] Real work's being done and
[1:03:17] we're going to get real answers and real
[1:03:19] projects going
[1:03:21] for
[1:03:23] flood mitigation that
[1:03:25] comes with king tides and all that.
[1:03:27] We're Y'all are doing great work and
[1:03:29] things are happening. So, we're not
[1:03:31] kicking the can down the road.
[1:03:32] >> Thank you for that and I do want to
[1:03:34] recognize Tom Herrick in public works.
[1:03:37] Those people are opening the doors.
[1:03:40] They're working with us. They're excited
[1:03:42] about moving forward. So, thank Tom.
[1:03:44] And I think we'll make a little comment.
[1:03:47] >> Good.
[1:03:47] >> I had a question.
[1:03:48] >> Yes. So, so I have It sounds like Surf
[1:03:50] City may be starting their project.
[1:03:53] We're doing our
[1:03:55] renourishment in a year and a half. Will
[1:03:57] that have any impact on us? I don't know
[1:04:00] if the ICW coastal is involved with
[1:04:02] Will they be getting sand from anywhere
[1:04:04] we are getting sand from?
[1:04:06] >> Uh they're They're a 50-year project.
[1:04:09] All the sand is coming offshore on the
[1:04:11] hopper dredge.
[1:04:12] And the offshore borrow site is off of
[1:04:15] Leon.
[1:04:16] So, [clears throat] they're going to
[1:04:17] transport it all the way up there. That
[1:04:18] sucks.
[1:04:20] Um
[1:04:21] whether that's going to have
[1:04:22] implications for us down the road,
[1:04:25] I don't know.
[1:04:26] Um but adding more sand inventory into
[1:04:29] the system
[1:04:31] will have some impact.
[1:04:31] >> And then we'll get that sand eventually,
[1:04:33] right?
[1:04:34] >> Eventually.
[1:04:35] >> [laughter]
[1:04:35] >> Yes. Um but it's but it's really good
[1:04:38] >> The gift that keeps giving us.
[1:04:41] >> It's really good for the entire island
[1:04:43] because as we all know
[1:04:46] you believe in um
[1:04:48] storms I mean uh
[1:04:50] storm water rise
[1:04:52] and if you believe in
[1:04:54] hurricanes and bigger storms,
[1:04:57] this resiliency is what's going to keep
[1:04:59] us together in the future.
[1:05:01] >> Mr. Mayor, we had
[1:05:03] I have a short question.
[1:05:05] >> Thank you again. I I just received an
[1:05:06] invitation that's coming within the next
[1:05:08] couple of weeks on a ceremony that's
[1:05:10] going to be at Surf City.
[1:05:12] uh
[1:05:13] >> that acknowledges their signing on with
[1:05:14] Corps of Engineers for 50 year of being
[1:05:17] of age coastal resilience
[1:05:19] plan.
[1:05:20] And I was wondering if uh your committee
[1:05:22] has discussed the potential impacts that
[1:05:24] would have on future projects on the
[1:05:26] table.
[1:05:28] I foresee this uh
[1:05:30] only possible way to be sharing costs
[1:05:33] doing projects all at the same time to
[1:05:34] leverage the economies of scale and also
[1:05:38] how it impact our current sands. Excuse
[1:05:40] me.
[1:05:42] >> I would say that all that is on the
[1:05:44] table.
[1:05:45] Um but right now we are dealing with the
[1:05:48] world we've been living in.
[1:05:51] Three years down the road when we
[1:05:53] contemplate those
[1:05:55] impacts,
[1:05:57] we'll have a chance to reevaluate that.
[1:05:58] It might be with more sand in in the in the system
[1:06:04] that you have more frequent clean outs.
[1:06:06] how
[1:06:08] do we share that burden and how do we
[1:06:11] distribute the sand
[1:06:13] on the island?
[1:06:14] I mean we've got
[1:06:15] >> More sand in the system, what does that
[1:06:17] mean? How does that happen?
[1:06:18] >> Well, the sand that that is coming in
[1:06:20] with a coastal storm damage mitigation
[1:06:23] project
[1:06:24] is being borrowed offshore and brought
[1:06:27] onshore.
[1:06:29] What we've been doing is taking sand out
[1:06:31] of the inlet
[1:06:33] and putting it on the shore. So
[1:06:34] >> Oh, I know Surf City's kind of already
[1:06:36] using that source as well.
[1:06:39] » I don't know one said anything official
[1:06:41] about that, but
[1:06:43] maybe I'll be around BIS three years and
[1:06:45] we get to talk about that.
[1:06:47] But it's a it's great great thing. It's
[1:06:49] a it it could open up a different
[1:06:52] scenario.
[1:06:56] I can tell you one thing.
[1:06:58] In 1976,
[1:07:01] my family in Sandbridge, Virginia had
[1:07:03] bulkhead on the ocean.
[1:07:06] 1982, they got a 50-year CSDM project
[1:07:09] and that bulkhead is under 12 ft of
[1:07:11] sand.
[1:07:12] That's the implication.
[1:07:14] >> Where was that?
[1:07:15] >> In Sandbridge Beach, Virginia. All the
[1:07:17] north end properties.
[1:07:19] About a mile and a half of bulkheaded on
[1:07:21] the ocean.
[1:07:23] And that's all back.
[1:07:27] » Any further questions?
[1:07:29] Thank you, Wayne.
[1:07:31] Thank you, Mr.
[1:07:34] Um
[1:07:35] what day is on the public safety
[1:07:36] building?
[1:07:38] >> Yeah.
[1:07:39] So, we are now meeting every 2 weeks.
[1:07:43] And we actually just had a meeting this
[1:07:44] morning, so this is all hot off the
[1:07:46] press.
[1:07:48] And it appears that we have pretty much
[1:07:50] everything we need for to issue a
[1:07:52] building permit.
[1:07:53] The plans are with the contracted
[1:07:56] building inspector now. He is reviewing
[1:07:58] them, so
[1:07:59] we anticipate being able to issue our
[1:08:01] building permit here shortly for the
[1:08:03] project. Thomas Construction has started
[1:08:06] to prepare the tower to be used as their
[1:08:10] construction office, their on-site
[1:08:12] construction office
[1:08:14] as the construction happens.
[1:08:16] DOT permit has been submitted on July
[1:08:19] 20th and they have 30 days to turn that
[1:08:22] around. So,
[1:08:23] right now we're just waiting on that
[1:08:25] one. But the big permit that we're
[1:08:27] waiting for is our DEQ permit. We had
[1:08:30] previously submitted that. They had some
[1:08:32] comments regarding the storm water
[1:08:35] system. We made the changes that they
[1:08:37] wanted that they requested and we've
[1:08:39] actually sent that back in on July 22nd.
[1:08:43] Although they didn't actually um
[1:08:45] I guess formally accept it until August
[1:08:47] 3rd. Um we are using the quick
[1:08:50] permitting option, but so is everybody
[1:08:52] else, so
[1:08:53] >> [laughter]
[1:08:54] >> I don't know how quick that will
[1:08:55] actually be.
[1:08:57] But we don't expect any additional
[1:08:59] comments being they've already had their
[1:09:01] one pass at it. We we that they'll won't
[1:09:03] be able to issue it without any um any
[1:09:05] further changes or modifications.
[1:09:08] Um so we're hoping to have that permit
[1:09:10] to us around Labor Day
[1:09:12] time frame is what we're looking at. So
[1:09:14] right now the target date to begin
[1:09:15] construction is September 14th.
[1:09:18] Um but again that's all subject really
[1:09:21] on the DEQ permit. Um we we do have to
[1:09:23] hold off for that.
[1:09:26] So that's where we are right now.
[1:09:29] >> I'm good. Well I hope we finally get
[1:09:31] moving.
[1:09:32] >> Well we're at the finish line.
[1:09:35] >> All right.
[1:09:36] >> We have about today.
[1:09:37] >> [laughter]
[1:09:38] >> Yeah we are talking about a ground break
[1:09:39] ground breaking ceremony so we're hoping
[1:09:42] to finalize those details and we'll have
[1:09:44] that information out to the public.
[1:09:50] » Very thanks.
[1:09:52] I'm sitting here just considering vote
[1:09:54] on noise ordinance.
[1:09:55] >> Yes.
[1:09:57] >> All right. So we've been discussing this
[1:10:00] for a couple of months obviously based
[1:10:03] on some public comments. Staff was
[1:10:05] directed to kind of go back to our
[1:10:06] current noise ordinance and try to see
[1:10:09] if we can address the comments which
[1:10:11] really initially were um
[1:10:14] the decibel level is is set too high um
[1:10:17] and the time at which the decibel level
[1:10:20] could be elevated was too late. So um we
[1:10:24] had
[1:10:25] staff to come back I think at the
[1:10:28] June meeting in order to bring some of
[1:10:30] those amendments to you. Um after
[1:10:32] further discussion at that meeting that
[1:10:34] was also asked that we try to look at
[1:10:36] how we can address the base frequency
[1:10:39] that low level frequency that isn't
[1:10:41] necessarily captured with um with the
[1:10:45] way that the ordinance is written today.
[1:10:47] And I have found out a lot more about
[1:10:48] noise than I ever want to know but um
[1:10:52] uh
[1:10:52] >> [laughter]
[1:10:53] >> basically I guess we'll I'll kind of try
[1:10:55] to
[1:10:57] tell you what I figured out. Um,
[1:10:59] we have a noise uh
[1:11:01] um measuring instrument. That noise
[1:11:03] measuring instrument can measure
[1:11:06] different types of of sounds. We have
[1:11:09] the uh A weighting scale, which is what
[1:11:12] we've been using. Um, and that basically
[1:11:15] will measure the sound that sort of
[1:11:18] matches how the human ear hears it. And
[1:11:20] then there's a C weighting scale, and
[1:11:23] this is the one that um basically
[1:11:24] measures that lower level bass
[1:11:26] frequency. So, um I thankfully I've been
[1:11:31] able to work with Oh, where did he go?
[1:11:33] Chief Lou Ellen.
[1:11:35] He has been very instrumental in this um
[1:11:37] in and trying to uh look up information.
[1:11:40] He found that the scale that we have,
[1:11:42] the noise metering system that we have,
[1:11:44] can do both A and C.
[1:11:47] So, what we did was we added those
[1:11:50] definitions. Um, you'll see them in red
[1:11:52] in your packet.
[1:11:54] And then we also um
[1:11:57] changed or added, I should say, some of
[1:12:00] the decibel levels for the C rating.
[1:12:04] Now, I will tell you that I'm not a
[1:12:05] noise
[1:12:07] expert. I don't know, you know, I'm I'm
[1:12:09] sort of just
[1:12:11] giving it my best shot here. Um, I did a
[1:12:13] lot of digging into see what other
[1:12:16] ordinances had. Um, I can tell you right
[1:12:19] now that having a C-rated
[1:12:22] decibel weighting um is not common at
[1:12:25] all, certainly not at a beach community.
[1:12:28] Um, the only three ordinances that I
[1:12:31] found, not saying this is it, but the
[1:12:32] only three I found is the bigger town,
[1:12:35] the bigger communities, uh Raleigh,
[1:12:38] Greensboro, and Charlotte.
[1:12:41] I chose Raleigh. I looked at theirs, and
[1:12:43] the only reason I thought was because I
[1:12:44] had found a memo that they hired a sound
[1:12:46] specialist.
[1:12:49] I figured if if the sound specialist
[1:12:53] suggested it, then that's probably where
[1:12:55] we should at least start.
[1:12:56] Um so that is and also not only that,
[1:12:59] but it was already in line with what we
[1:13:01] had proposed. So anyways, this is really
[1:13:04] just my best guess. Um I would like to
[1:13:08] Chief Llewellyn and I had talked about
[1:13:10] the possibility of um the next time that
[1:13:13] there's some sort of a a a event, a
[1:13:15] band, or anything like that to do some
[1:13:17] tests so we can see kind of where it
[1:13:19] does fall in line with what we're
[1:13:21] proposing. Um we are towards the end of
[1:13:24] the season as Susan pointed out. I you
[1:13:27] know, personally I would ask I would
[1:13:29] like to see us be able to look at this a
[1:13:32] little bit further, maybe do some
[1:13:33] testing before we adopt it. But um we
[1:13:37] certainly have that option to adopt
[1:13:39] tonight and then we can always make
[1:13:41] adjustments later if that's how you you
[1:13:42] want to go. So
[1:13:45] that's where we're at.
[1:13:46] >> We've got the concert in the park in
[1:13:49] a week. How could we use it then and
[1:13:51] just see?
[1:13:52] >> Absolutely.
[1:13:53] >> Yeah.
[1:13:55] And again, just to kind of see
[1:13:56] where where where it falls with what we
[1:13:58] have proposed cuz I truly don't know
[1:14:01] what that's going to sound like.
[1:14:02] >> Common sense says what Danny Arnold said
[1:14:05] is correct. If you have your speakers
[1:14:07] facing out like that
[1:14:09] versus facing in, it's going to have a
[1:14:12] big impact on the sound and I said it
[1:14:14] before.
[1:14:16] I was stunned at how loud and it's not
[1:14:19] even the loud, the bump bump of that
[1:14:23] bass is at 10:00 at night.
[1:14:26] It'd make me crazy.
[1:14:30] It's very similar to the sound when
[1:14:32] they're putting in pilings at a house
[1:14:34] right beside you.
[1:14:35] >> I understand.
[1:14:36] And I do want to say that I did reach
[1:14:39] out to the local businesses to let them
[1:14:40] know that this was on the agenda that
[1:14:42] was going to be discussed and I um you them to either attend um or send in
[1:14:48] any kind of comments that they have.
[1:14:50] So, I did make them aware that it was
[1:14:52] being discussed this evening.
[1:14:55] >> And there were [clears throat] no examples
[1:14:56] of
[1:14:57] the difference between um
[1:15:00] A and C in terms of decibels?
[1:15:04] Well, you gave the examples
[1:15:06] of what you would hear.
[1:15:07] >> Mhm.
[1:15:08] >> Uh but that that covers just the
[1:15:10] >> Just the the A.
[1:15:11] >> That's just the A.
[1:15:12] >> That's correct. You're right.
[1:15:15] Again, it was very difficult to find a
[1:15:17] lot on the C weighted decibel system. It
[1:15:19] just was. Um
[1:15:22] So, but you know, again, that's just my
[1:15:24] research. Um I think that's why I would
[1:15:27] prefer instead again, I would prefer
[1:15:30] that maybe we hold off on actual
[1:15:32] adoption until we can do some tests to
[1:15:35] see how close we are with what we're
[1:15:37] proposing.
[1:15:38] >> And we have the ability to read C C
[1:15:41] weight?
[1:15:41] >> We do. Yes. Yeah, like I said,
[1:15:43] thankfully, um
[1:15:45] people elements have been very
[1:15:46] instrumental in in helping with this
[1:15:48] ordinance, and also um the capabilities
[1:15:51] of the instrument that we have.
[1:15:54] >> I'm concerned about the A and the D
[1:15:57] decibel C level.
[1:15:59] Um
[1:15:59] and what about at night?
[1:16:01] >> This
[1:16:03] >> Yeah.
[1:16:03] >> You think it would if it carries through
[1:16:05] from C to A, you know, it
[1:16:07] A to C, that that'd be tough.
[1:16:10] >> Yeah, and it is different. Um it's not
[1:16:13] So, 60 uh
[1:16:15] DBAs and 60 DBCs are very different. Um
[1:16:21] but, you know, again, I I
[1:16:23] from what my research is, um from what I
[1:16:26] can tell, the C's, there's a filter on
[1:16:28] the sound meter, they apply some sort of
[1:16:30] a filter that kind of makes it more of a
[1:16:34] uh even flow
[1:16:36] of [clears throat] sound,
[1:16:37] um rather than the the sharp
[1:16:40] ups and downs that your hearing there's
[1:16:42] traditionally.
[1:16:44] So, again,
[1:16:45] >> I was wondering if you'd say average is
[1:16:48] out
[1:16:49] high and low in a thump thump thump
[1:16:53] >> thump
[1:16:53] >> Yeah, there's a filter. Apparently,
[1:16:56] there's some sort of filter that's
[1:16:57] applied um that that helps to even out
[1:17:01] the sound and it does I I don't know if
[1:17:03] it how it how it measures that thump, but it evens out the sound.
[1:17:07] >> All right. Now, we got to
[1:17:08] go over there. I think I really teach it
[1:17:11] an improvement in what people perceive.
[1:17:15] >> I Again, I I would agree with you and it that's the reason why I think
[1:17:20] that we still need a little bit more
[1:17:21] research and maybe some field work
[1:17:25] before before this is adopted in my
[1:17:28] opinion.
[1:17:29] >> But, you you mentioned that you used
[1:17:31] Raleigh as the basis. Is there's Is that
[1:17:34] where that 83 come from?
[1:17:35] >> It is, but the reason why I
[1:17:38] agree that, you know, Raleigh is a whole
[1:17:40] different place than here, but the
[1:17:42] reason why I did that was because their
[1:17:44] DBAs were already very similar to our
[1:17:46] DBAs.
[1:17:48] >> But, we're comparing our DBs our C's
[1:17:51] being higher.
[1:17:53] >> But, that's how it's Again, I'm not a
[1:17:55] noise ordinance, but that's our expert,
[1:17:57] but that's sort of how it is. The A's
[1:17:59] are typically in the ones I've seen, the
[1:18:02] A's are lower than the C's.
[1:18:05] >> Which constitutes
[1:18:06] >> I Again, field testing.
[1:18:08] >> I don't want to misinterpret your
[1:18:09] research. I mean, when you said you
[1:18:12] read Raleigh's ordinance, that was
[1:18:14] exciting to me. I have used that word a
[1:18:16] lot tonight, but
[1:18:18] um
[1:18:20] Do we agree that it's more important for
[1:18:23] a small town
[1:18:24] to get
[1:18:26] the noise issues right than it is
[1:18:29] a really large
[1:18:31] metropolitan city. I mean,
[1:18:34] Raleigh
[1:18:35] you know, there's more than a million
[1:18:37] people in there today now. Um
[1:18:41] They're more complex. Their issues are
[1:18:42] more complex. A million to
[1:18:45] >> Oh, I would agree. I have no question.
[1:18:47] >> But
[1:18:48] I mean, just common sense tells me it's
[1:18:49] more important
[1:18:51] for the small town
[1:18:52] to get the noise ordinance right than it
[1:18:53] is noisy volume.
[1:18:55] >> Yeah.
[1:18:55] >> Does that make sense or
[1:18:56] >> It does make sense. Um it just doesn't
[1:18:59] seem that the DBC
[1:19:02] is addressed in
[1:19:03] >> Cuz we're not sophisticated
[1:19:05] >> noise ordinances.
[1:19:06] >> in these really small towns to get to
[1:19:08] those issues.
[1:19:09] >> Well, we're getting there. I'll tell you
[1:19:10] that.
[1:19:11] >> So
[1:19:12] >> [laughter]
[1:19:12] >> I don't
[1:19:13] >> But what we're proposing is higher, it
[1:19:16] looks like, than what they have in
[1:19:17] Raleigh.
[1:19:20] >> DB
[1:19:20] >> So to me
[1:19:22] the easier thing would be to
[1:19:26] lower to where they are. They're at 70
[1:19:29] and 75.
[1:19:34] From 10:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. Sunday
[1:19:36] through Thursday.
[1:19:37] And to 11:00. So they're the same during
[1:19:42] the week as the weekend, correct?
[1:19:46] >> Yes.
[1:19:48] >> [clears throat]
[1:19:49] >> So we're
[1:19:50] >> We could also, you know, make some
[1:19:52] amendments here
[1:19:53] >> And that's what I'm going to say. I
[1:19:54] would much rather
[1:19:56] make them overly low
[1:19:59] and come back and raise them than to
[1:20:02] approve it and it's still
[1:20:04] be as loud and obnoxious as it's been
[1:20:08] cuz it's easier, I think, to bump them
[1:20:11] back up
[1:20:12] than to
[1:20:14] dial them back down.
[1:20:15] >> Sure. And and we also have Labor Day
[1:20:17] coming up, so that might be a time at
[1:20:19] which, you know, there'll be some bands
[1:20:20] that we can do some more field testing
[1:20:22] with.
[1:20:23] >> I'd like to make a comment that
[1:20:25] piggybacks on what Commissioner Best
[1:20:27] said
[1:20:28] in relation to us versus Raleigh.
[1:20:31] I kind of doubt that there are people
[1:20:34] living in the commercial districts in a
[1:20:36] big town.
[1:20:37] Whereas we have residents living above
[1:20:40] their businesses. It's a I almost wonder
[1:20:43] if we should just have one ordinance for
[1:20:45] the entire town because there's no area
[1:20:49] where there people don't live.
[1:20:51] They they live in the commercial
[1:20:53] district. And the sound impacts them the
[1:20:56] same as it does the people in the
[1:20:58] residential district.
[1:21:00] I
[1:21:01] >> Conversation
[1:21:02] >> a big difference between us and
[1:21:04] bigger towns.
[1:21:06] Where commercial districts I think
[1:21:08] residences are prohibited. There's zone
[1:21:11] you cannot stay in a you can't you know
[1:21:14] live in a resi- a commercial district. I
[1:21:16] think
[1:21:17] um or
[1:21:19] Yeah.
[1:21:20] So that's something I do we we might
[1:21:23] want to consider is just having one
[1:21:25] ordinance one you know one district one
[1:21:27] zone
[1:21:28] instead of two zones.
[1:21:31] And um you know 11:00 is kind of late
[1:21:33] for sleepy Hollow speech.
[1:21:37] » Well again I think this is the time
[1:21:38] where we can make some adjustments from
[1:21:41] suggestions um from the board and then
[1:21:43] kind of use those as field tests.
[1:21:46] >> I don't really want to see it 80 which
[1:21:48] is described as very loud and aggressive
[1:21:52] anywhere in the town anytime.
[1:21:54] >> [clears throat]
[1:21:56] >> And we got that
[1:21:58] in the commercial zone and the
[1:21:59] residential zone.
[1:22:02] >> So you want to lower the overall limits
[1:22:05] is what I'm hearing.
[1:22:06] >> be my thought.
[1:22:09] » Test all those out.
[1:22:10] What about the timing?
[1:22:15] » Well we lowered from 11:00 to 10:00.
[1:22:18] >> 10:00 p.m.
[1:22:19] >> During the week.
[1:22:19] >> Yeah during the Sunday through Thursday.
[1:22:22] Again that was based on public comments.
[1:22:27] » This might stupid, but
[1:22:30] I just remember being at Quarter Moon
[1:22:32] and I never thought that music was loud,
[1:22:34] but then we were always
[1:22:36] music was always shut down.
[1:22:38] Uh you know, weekends. 10:00 or 9:00.
[1:22:42] >> The police officer that's no longer with
[1:22:44] us did that on a basis.
[1:22:46] >> And and we'd like to say Quarter Moon
[1:22:48] was the first to get a warning under but
[1:22:49] when we started using the ear buds, but
[1:22:51] we would kind of sneak in and tell them
[1:22:53] we we try not to make a big deal of it,
[1:22:54] but they were in violation of the times.
[1:22:56] >> So what's the difference between that
[1:22:58] and what we're talking about? It's
[1:23:00] louder than at public. I mean, it's
[1:23:02] almost like you
[1:23:03] >> The bass and we um
[1:23:05] The first warning had A and and even me
[1:23:07] I measuring on C I don't have I couldn't
[1:23:10] even tell you what it
[1:23:12] anything to compare it to cuz we haven't
[1:23:14] measured anything under C, but
[1:23:16] supposedly A is more what we hear with
[1:23:18] our the ear and C measures bass.
[1:23:21] >> Is that it?
[1:23:22] And that's the way
[1:23:24] is in her neutrals is that bass boom this to me more obnoxious than the
[1:23:30] music.
[1:23:35] And you just like them all.
[1:23:36] >> It just seems like we keep giving public
[1:23:38] a break over what we enforced at Quarter
[1:23:41] Moon. That's the way it seems to me.
[1:23:43] >> They did warn the Quarter Moon. I know
[1:23:44] they got a warning cuz I got a text and
[1:23:46] one of them said they got a warning from
[1:23:48] that American
[1:23:50] very good friend of mine, so quite
[1:23:52] amazing to me that she got my name out
[1:23:54] of that, but
[1:23:55] a lot of their problem was the band was
[1:23:57] playing very loud and the band was
[1:23:59] great. So they got a lot of more
[1:24:00] attention than the public got from the
[1:24:02] DJ, okay?
[1:24:04] >> Right.
[1:24:04] >> Um
[1:24:05] >> Okay.
[1:24:06] >> The difference
[1:24:06] >> The streets or on the bars?
[1:24:08] >> The difference both was probably. I
[1:24:10] don't know, but I know they were in the
[1:24:11] street.
[1:24:12] >> [clears throat]
[1:24:13] >> Um
[1:24:17] » We keep the
[1:24:19] decibel spread from 7:00
[1:24:22] to 10:00 or 11:00. The same in
[1:24:25] commercial district from
[1:24:28] Sunday to Thursday and Friday and
[1:24:29] Saturday.
[1:24:30] >> So, no real difference between between
[1:24:33] the week that the entire week the same.
[1:24:36] >> Yeah.
[1:24:36] >> Um from 7:00 to 10:00?
[1:24:38] >> [clears throat]
[1:24:42] » There was there was no difference there
[1:24:44] between commercial and residential.
[1:24:46] >> There is not a difference.
[1:24:47] >> They're all the same.
[1:24:48] >> Yeah.
[1:24:49] And so, the time you want to drop it
[1:24:51] from 11:00 lower and you want to hit
[1:24:54] Yeah, twice to that.
[1:24:56] >> But it's you asked about the bass. The
[1:24:58] bass is bad. The DJ on the microphone
[1:25:01] talking and getting the round the crowd
[1:25:03] to recite the rest of the lyric.
[1:25:05] >> Right.
[1:25:06] >> Who do not carry a tune, that's equally
[1:25:09] as bad. So, I can't pick one that's
[1:25:11] worse than the other.
[1:25:14] I think 75 80 is too too much. Too much.
[1:25:20] I think 75 is allowed.
[1:25:22] >> We will Yeah, we don't
[1:25:24] That's the the problem with waiting is
[1:25:26] by the time we make a decision next
[1:25:28] meeting, the summer's over
[1:25:30] and
[1:25:31] the the club's closed
[1:25:33] for the for the rest of the year. But we
[1:25:35] That's all that we know enough about
[1:25:36] decibels.
[1:25:38] >> So, look at the chart you provided is
[1:25:41] 70.
[1:25:42] Conversation difficulty raised voice
[1:25:45] rated.
[1:25:45] >> That's your decibel A, not B. We don't
[1:25:48] really know what decibel C A sounds
[1:25:50] like. That's why we In answer of
[1:25:52] Commissioner Best's question,
[1:25:54] but what wasn't given any type of rate
[1:25:56] we just trying to figure it out. Well,
[1:25:58] the times we measured and it could be
[1:25:59] because there's
[1:26:01] if we measure on Anderson's side,
[1:26:02] there's you know, the building. If we
[1:26:05] went to where it was open, it might be
[1:26:06] higher. There's just a lot to it. We're
[1:26:08] trying to take all the uh subjectivity
[1:26:10] out of it.
[1:26:11] And just trying to figure it out. You
[1:26:12] know, it's a lot of it.
[1:26:13] >> C at all over there?
[1:26:14] >> We never have. This wasn't in our
[1:26:16] ordinance.
[1:26:17] >> So, what I would suggest and try again,
[1:26:20] this is just my suggestion. You're
[1:26:21] obviously
[1:26:22] but
[1:26:24] I understand that we want the overall
[1:26:26] levels lowered. I think instead of
[1:26:28] trying to sit here and pick if we're not
[1:26:30] going to adopt tonight, instead of
[1:26:31] trying to pick one, I understand we want
[1:26:33] it lowered. Maybe just allow
[1:26:37] us to do some field testing and and try
[1:26:40] to base some kind of formulated
[1:26:43] draft based on that. Um again, we don't
[1:26:47] we we've never done C testing, so this
[1:26:49] will be brand new for us. I don't even
[1:26:50] know where to start my C testing. That
[1:26:52] much.
[1:26:53] Um this might be helpful to do some
[1:26:55] field testing. Um we can lower the
[1:26:57] overall limits when we come back with
[1:26:59] the draft. Also, we'll have our field
[1:27:00] testing results. And then um as I am
[1:27:03] hearing, you guys want to have the
[1:27:07] times 7:00 to 10:00 p.m. and cut off at
[1:27:10] 10:00 p.m. Monday through Friday.
[1:27:12] >> I think that's more likely. I was like
[1:27:13] Larry's and Alhambra, some of the music
[1:27:16] is 7:00 to 10:00 and they might play a
[1:27:18] little bit over.
[1:27:22] » If it's 10:00
[1:27:23] >> It's 10:00.
[1:27:25] >> Well, I mean, you know, nobody's based
[1:27:28] on that's always based on complaints as
[1:27:29] well.
[1:27:32] >> I think we need to
[1:27:33] table this till next meeting. Invite
[1:27:35] them to do the research on the decibel
[1:27:37] C.
[1:27:38] And we may just decide to drop the
[1:27:40] commercial zone and just
[1:27:42] monkey around with the residential time
[1:27:43] frames and numbers.
[1:27:46] I mean, I don't know. I
[1:27:48] That's how I know we have enough
[1:27:48] information to make a decision about
[1:27:50] decibel C.
[1:27:52] >> Well, I
[1:27:53] >> I am informed a well-informed decision.
[1:27:57] >> Yeah, and if we're going to make the
[1:27:59] time zones all the same, then there
[1:28:01] really isn't a lot of
[1:28:03] distinction between residential and
[1:28:05] commercial. So,
[1:28:07] I could we could make a proposal.
[1:28:09] >> Why don't you just do them exactly the
[1:28:11] same as 7:00 in commercial 7:00 to 10:30
[1:28:14] same as it is in residential.
[1:28:17] >> You want 7:00 to 10:30 or 7:00 to 10:00?
[1:28:20] >> I'd say 10:30.
[1:28:22] >> Well, the residential does 10:30 on the
[1:28:23] weekend some from Friday Saturday night.
[1:28:25] So,
[1:28:27] if you just drop the commercial zone and
[1:28:28] maybe play figure out what decibels C is
[1:28:31] supposed to sound what it sounds like
[1:28:33] and whether or not it's that much
[1:28:39] » But again,
[1:28:40] 75 decibels where it says significantly
[1:28:45] raised voice.
[1:28:48] I'll be honest, I've been to some of the
[1:28:50] music venues down here where you just
[1:28:51] had to walk outside
[1:28:53] the fence standing area cuz the music
[1:28:56] was too loud. Last time you were there,
[1:28:58] the music was so loud you
[1:29:01] had to walk farther away.
[1:29:05] » While we were doing the testing,
[1:29:07] somebody it's it's mostly mostly the
[1:29:10] table was
[1:29:11] and then
[1:29:13] start talking.
[1:29:14] You said the other table
[1:29:16] >> Um
[1:29:17] >> They could do the next one.
[1:29:19] I'm on table.
[1:29:32] I would suggest something to consider
[1:29:34] and go over the technical memory
[1:29:36] protection.
[1:29:38] One guy speaks, one
[1:29:40] person could
[1:29:42] >> Toren, and I know we've had some recent
[1:29:44] um
[1:29:45] potential uh proposed changes to this,
[1:29:47] but in essence what this is is uh at the
[1:29:50] July meeting we um did a lot of text
[1:29:53] amendments, we approved a lot of text
[1:29:55] amendments uh to the town code
[1:29:57] ordinances, and uh kind of like
[1:29:59] dominoes, you know, one change and you
[1:30:02] try to catch it all, but inevitably you
[1:30:04] miss something. So, we did um come back
[1:30:07] to realize that section 1-6F
[1:30:11] needed to be amended uh so that there
[1:30:13] was no inconsistencies with the newly
[1:30:16] adopted uh amendments from last month.
[1:30:20] Um you do have your draft in ahead of
[1:30:22] you, but then I think that there's been
[1:30:23] some further changes from Attorney
[1:30:26] Coggins.
[1:30:26] >> They were all uh technical amendments.
[1:30:28] There were no substantive changes.
[1:30:41] » Do we need a
[1:30:42] >> I was making sure.
[1:30:44] >> It It The changes were
[1:30:48] » I would entertain a motion that we move
[1:30:50] forward with the changes as
[1:30:52] done by Mr. Coggins.
[1:30:54] >> Second.
[1:30:55] >> I have a motion and a second. Any Any
[1:30:57] discussion?
[1:30:59] All Let's have a vote. All in favor?
[1:31:01] >> Aye.
[1:31:02] >> Opposed?
[1:31:03] >> And uh
[1:31:03] >> You have
[1:31:05] >> Thank you.
[1:31:16] » I believe we're going to be coming in
[1:31:18] under the Fort City
[1:31:20] >> I want to
[1:31:22] >> Thank you, Holly.
[1:31:24] >> [laughter]
[1:31:24] >> I think they hear by themselves.
[1:31:25] >> I never buy stuff in the morning.
[1:31:31] » We're starting at
[1:31:33] >> CM Bible.
[1:31:35] >> They do what?
[1:31:35] >> They have a service in the morning at
[1:31:37] 8:00 and then stand by
[1:31:39] >> You're voting
[1:31:40] >> Any of us will do that service
[1:31:42] >> I feel like we used to have a civil
[1:31:44] liberty
[1:31:45] >> We're going to end up at the park at
[1:31:46] Copper Bottom
[1:31:47] >> Okay. So, we won't be having that shift.
[1:31:50] >> No, it's all right. It's going to come
[1:31:53] >> Okay.
[1:31:53] >> Wow.
[1:31:54] >> Yeah.
[1:31:55] >> It won't happen here.
[1:31:56] Our staff will get up there and
[1:31:59] >> Number 17, manager and attorney reports.
[1:32:03] >> It's in the packet.
[1:32:04] >> Okay.
[1:32:05] >> which may or may not be in addition to
[1:32:06] duties which I
[1:32:08] bring in your presence
[1:32:10] working on the finance to nail control
[1:32:12] ordinance regarding specifically
[1:32:15] chickens
[1:32:16] for your consideration next month. I've
[1:32:19] been assisting town manager with respect
[1:32:20] to a vexing problem with respect to the
[1:32:24] administration of the fire tax
[1:32:26] eradication of particular residence and
[1:32:29] advise to staff regarding the occupancy
[1:32:32] tax of the slope.
[1:32:36] » You have anything?
[1:32:37] >> Yes.
[1:32:40] » Then?
[1:32:41] >> I don't have anything additional other
[1:32:42] than what was in my report unless you
[1:32:43] have questions, but
[1:32:45] I did send the
[1:32:47] DOT proposed DOT drawing for the circle
[1:32:50] the amendment. So, I wanted to show that
[1:32:52] to you because I know I said I'd find
[1:32:53] it. There you go.
[1:32:55] Um so, as you see where the the red line is there instead of going
[1:33:01] through the circle go to the north end.
[1:33:03] Essentially, you would be able to take
[1:33:05] that straight through road.
[1:33:07] That would take you to the street like a
[1:33:09] stop light there and go to the north end
[1:33:12] that way. They're hope they're trying to
[1:33:13] keep
[1:33:14] you know, trying to keep so many cars
[1:33:16] out of the roundabout the roundabout.
[1:33:19] So, anyway, I just wanted to show that.
[1:33:22] >> Okay.
[1:33:23] >> While you have that up I spoke with one of the commission
[1:33:26] councilman in the city and one of the
[1:33:28] ideas they had is a place closing
[1:33:30] Kingston which appears to be objected to
[1:33:33] by a number of things to preventing left
[1:33:35] turns when you're going north on South
[1:33:38] Shore
[1:33:39] so that you can't jump in line. It So,
[1:33:42] that's one way of skinning the cat so to
[1:33:45] speak. Possibly.
[1:33:47] >> And and basically that would be that the
[1:33:49] people who are in in that parking lot
[1:33:51] can come out and get into the line to
[1:33:53] get into the circle. That and then but
[1:33:55] you can't get out of the line and go
[1:33:57] down the ocean road and jump back in
[1:33:59] ahead of people. That's what that is.
[1:34:02] Hope this makes some sense.
[1:34:05] But anyway, that's that. This is all
[1:34:06] public information, so
[1:34:09] >> Can you Can Can any
[1:34:11] observation
[1:34:13] extended observation been made from the
[1:34:15] traffic coming from the north?
[1:34:17] That is just every time I go to that
[1:34:20] circle there's a line just pouring in as
[1:34:22] they would cut ahead of you. You're
[1:34:24] coming around the circle and they would
[1:34:25] cut ahead in front of you and you slam
[1:34:27] on brakes. But the north traffic north
[1:34:30] traffic coming from the north is just I
[1:34:32] don't think anybody's considering that
[1:34:35] and it needs to be looked at seriously.
[1:34:37] >> Well, I mean I think that they're
[1:34:38] looking at all of it, but you're you are
[1:34:40] correct. I mean that that traffic coming
[1:34:42] into that circle
[1:34:43] >> Nobody goes across the north route, so
[1:34:45] they don't come.
[1:34:46] Well, we I I happen to go I have been
[1:34:50] around there this week
[1:34:52] and
[1:34:53] we had gone around to rush on the other side of the circle
[1:34:58] and we came back there was no traffic
[1:35:00] basically coming to the circle.
[1:35:04] But when we got around the circle coming
[1:35:07] back this way, it was backed up to the
[1:35:09] tennis court.
[1:35:11] And it was because people were coming
[1:35:13] around
[1:35:15] by my hand they come through
[1:35:18] IGA. They come through there and come
[1:35:21] and
[1:35:22] turn around and get get right back in
[1:35:24] and and there's no end and there's no
[1:35:26] close lines.
[1:35:27] I'm looking it's a wonder somebody
[1:35:29] hadn't had some
[1:35:31] real problems up there.
[1:35:33] They
[1:35:34] >> I agree. There's there they are they are
[1:35:38] trying to to find solutions to ease that
[1:35:40] traffic. Um again, you know, and
[1:35:43] one bite of the apple at a time.
[1:35:47] They have removed all the pedestrian
[1:35:49] traffic. That's helped a lot as well.
[1:35:51] You know, the pedestrian traffic that
[1:35:53] was um in the circle, the crosswalks and
[1:35:56] all that. They've removed that and it is
[1:35:58] their intention to keep that closed
[1:36:01] for good. So, that's one of the other,
[1:36:04] you know, ways. They're little things
[1:36:06] that at a time, but it's helping.
[1:36:08] >> What about the land about on the the other side?
[1:36:13] >> They haven't restricted that traffic
[1:36:15] yet.
[1:36:16] >> wheelchairs and strollers and dogs.
[1:36:18] So, that's some of the way now.
[1:36:21] >> Sure, yeah.
[1:36:24] » That's all I had left there personally.
[1:36:28] » And we're uh
[1:36:29] >> We had told you your parking is
[1:36:31] interior lots. That lot right here.
[1:36:33] >> That's the one lot that they carry with
[1:36:35] >> We we've categorized it as interior.
[1:36:38] Yes, there are others along with it in
[1:36:40] the same category.
[1:36:41] We just wanted to make sure we pulled
[1:36:43] that one out so we could see.
[1:36:49] » There's a couple of comments.
[1:36:51] >> Yeah, we'll take it in here.
[1:36:52] >> Public comments.
[1:36:54] >> Yeah, I'm just
[1:36:59] » I don't have to say anything because you
[1:37:00] already know how I feel about it. I'm
[1:37:02] talking in my face.
[1:37:04] What I do want to say is congratulations
[1:37:07] Kim Llewellyn.
[1:37:08] Very happy to see you as our interim. I
[1:37:11] hope that you will make him permanent.
[1:37:14] That is my biggest recommendation that I
[1:37:16] can give you other than the ones that
[1:37:18] you already know.
[1:37:20] >> Okay.
[1:37:21] >> I like
[1:37:22] what they said.
[1:37:23] >> Thanks for holding your tongue.
[1:37:25] >> You're welcome. [laughter]
[1:37:26] >> It's got a big hole in it right now.
[1:37:28] >> Good analogy.
[1:37:32] » And mayor and commissioner reports.
[1:37:34] >> Council are you?
[1:37:36] I want to remind everybody that
[1:37:37] Congressman David Rouzer will be
[1:37:40] cutting the ribbon Monday 10:00 a.m.
[1:37:43] And right next to Surf City Pier for
[1:37:45] their
[1:37:46] beautiful new beach nourishment project.
[1:37:49] If you could be there
[1:37:51] support what they're
[1:37:52] about to embark on, I know they would
[1:37:53] appreciate it.
[1:37:56] >> I'm very thankful for that.
[1:37:58] >> [laughter]
[1:38:04] » All right, thank you everybody for
[1:38:05] coming out and watching online. I want
[1:38:07] to
[1:38:08] say one thing about the turtles. I wore
[1:38:10] a shirt for this reason. As most of you
[1:38:12] know, it's turtle nesting season. I want
[1:38:14] to make this shout-out to Debbie and
[1:38:16] Andy who are the Topsail Beach
[1:38:17] coordinators for Topsail Turtle Project.
[1:38:20] Currently on the beach every morning and
[1:38:22] every night since about mid-July and
[1:38:24] they will continue that to the end of
[1:38:26] August. So, they're taking naps midday
[1:38:27] to make this all happen. This year there
[1:38:30] have been to this point 145 nests.
[1:38:34] That's the third highest on record, I
[1:38:36] think, and the most since 2019. We
[1:38:39] usually average 98. So, in there 34 in
[1:38:42] Topsail Beach. So, um just keep that in
[1:38:45] mind
[1:38:46] if you have a home near the oceanfront
[1:38:48] or on the oceanfront, keep your lights
[1:38:50] dim. Those little hatchlings will head
[1:38:52] for your house. They won't see the moon,
[1:38:54] especially when there's a new moon. Uh
[1:38:57] so, well, we had a
[1:38:59] that happened 2 weeks ago. They just
[1:39:00] went They Somebody shot off fireworks of
[1:39:03] all things right as they were coming out
[1:39:05] and they just went everywhere. So, if
[1:39:07] you could um
[1:39:09] help the little turtles get in the
[1:39:10] ocean.
[1:39:15] » Um I just want to shout out to John
[1:39:16] Gunter. I just want to acknowledge I was
[1:39:18] against paid parking. So far this year
[1:39:21] we've made 205,000.
[1:39:24] So,
[1:39:25] John, it was a good idea. Um
[1:39:27] secondly,
[1:39:29] well, and if we've still got and that's
[1:39:31] this
[1:39:33] calendar year even though we're on a
[1:39:35] fiscal year. It's just too hard to think
[1:39:36] fiscal year. Now, I also want to second
[1:39:39] welcoming um Chief Llewellyn to your
[1:39:42] first official
[1:39:44] Board of Commissioners meeting. I know
[1:39:46] it's been a blast and I think we've gone
[1:39:48] out of our way to make it a fun and
[1:39:50] exciting first week for you. So, yeah.
[1:39:55] » Yeah.
[1:39:57] Well, to those of you who don't even
[1:39:58] know what the Patriot Council of
[1:40:00] Governments is, uh, just know that I'm
[1:40:03] your representative of that body, which,
[1:40:06] uh, provides the various kinds of
[1:40:08] support to the municipalities and the
[1:40:11] four counties around us.
[1:40:13] And, uh, that's why I attend their board
[1:40:15] meetings every once in a while. I did
[1:40:17] this week and I have a, you know, a page
[1:40:20] with the report written out, but I'm
[1:40:22] going to skip that, uh, considering what
[1:40:24] we've been through tonight. And I just
[1:40:26] wanted to give you the the bottom line
[1:40:28] on that was that, uh, this month the
[1:40:31] Council of Governments had to select a
[1:40:33] new attorney to support them.
[1:40:36] And, uh, they pointed out that they
[1:40:38] interviewed three very competent, uh,
[1:40:41] well-established
[1:40:43] attorney firms and they selected Brown
[1:40:46] Greene Locey as their firm, uh, with
[1:40:49] Steve Coggins, uh, mentoring
[1:40:53] uh, J.D. uh,
[1:40:54] Fisher Fisher
[1:40:56] uh, as uh, the primary attorney. So, um,
[1:41:00] I think they made a really good choice
[1:41:02] there and I told them that.
[1:41:04] Glad to like to stay.
[1:41:06] >> Thank you, Commissioner Gunter. It's not
[1:41:08] a burden, it's very gratifying.
[1:41:09] >> [laughter]
[1:41:12] » You didn't know you were in that much
[1:41:13] venture then, huh?
[1:41:14] >> No, I wasn't I wasn't aware of it.
[1:41:17] Commissioner's input.
[1:41:20] » Came after you your selection was
[1:41:22] announced to board.
[1:41:26] » I just appreciate everyone coming out. I
[1:41:28] think we did some good things tonight. I
[1:41:30] know everybody doesn't agree with maybe
[1:41:32] us giving money to a non-profit, but I
[1:41:34] think we are we are a town and and we're
[1:41:37] part of the community council. We're
[1:41:39] part of the community, so I think giving
[1:41:40] back to the community
[1:41:42] is is important as well. So, thank you
[1:41:45] guys for coming.
[1:41:47] >> Thanks, Jim. Okay, gentlemen, I am I'm
[1:41:50] again appreciate everyone showing up
[1:41:52] tonight. Uh
[1:41:53] it was a
[1:41:54] kind of a streamline uh agenda, but we
[1:41:57] got through it. Uh there's some couple
[1:41:59] of little stumbling points, but I think
[1:42:01] it went well.
[1:42:02] And uh we're all the way through the
[1:42:03] summer. And uh it's it's
[1:42:06] been kind of a challenge in some cases,
[1:42:08] and I think our biggest uh takeaway for
[1:42:09] the summer is the traffic.
[1:42:11] And uh it's not going to go away and and
[1:42:14] so we now would have to see how we deal
[1:42:15] with it. But, um
[1:42:17] there's a couple of other little issues,
[1:42:19] but you know, we still live in paradise.
[1:42:21] And again, Chief, welcome. I know you
[1:42:24] got your hands full, but
[1:42:26] I think you're you're up for the task.
[1:42:28] >> I think that's great to see.
[1:42:30] Thank you all for coming. I make a
[1:42:32] motion to adjourn.
[1:42:33] >> I make the motion we adjourn.
[1:42:35] >> Okay, motion seconded. All in favor?
[1:42:37] Aye.
[1:42:38] Adjourned.
[1:42:47] » Next meeting