Actually, >> It'd be windy up there.
» Actually, that's where it was nice. Going by Tofino and stuff, yeah, it was
nice there. >> This guy used to go do stuff with and
me and Fulton and that. He uh
He was just one of those guys. Just I mean, he says, "Well, I'm going to
build a boat and I'm going to sail it."
I can't remember it was to Hawaii or from up the Arctic down to Seattle. I
can't remember which one cuz he started the boat there. I said, "If have you
done much sailing?" He says, "Well, I built one. I took it from uh
He went down to Panama.
And he like he's that type of guy. He just decides I'm going to build one and
» And he's not married. He makes lots of money. He goose hunts for a living.
Let's just say that. >> Wow.
» That's what he does for a living, ducks and geese. So,
» Okay, you're ready to go. >> Yeah, 7:00. So, we'll call the meeting
to order. Um everybody should have a copy of the agenda. Any additions or
deletions? >> I'd just like to talk maybe about the
businesses downtown for a quick second. Some words?
» Sure. In in your report or would you like it actually on the agenda?
» I'll I'll I'll I can do it in my report. That's
» Yeah, sounds good. Uh
Okay, somebody wish to move the agenda as presented?
» Dwayne. >> He's back.
» Any questions on Dwayne's motion? Hearing none, I'll call the question.
Those in favor? Opposed? I see none. This is carried
unanimously. Okay, minutes of the July 13th meeting.
Any >> Judy moves them.
» Any discussion on Judy's motion? Hearing none, I'll call the question.
Those in favor? >> [snorts]
» Opposed? I see none. This is carried. So, we have a delegation. Aaron,
» Okay. >> the floor is yours.
» Thanks. I assume that everybody read my little
AI proposal that I
I'm not that clever with that wording. Um, [clears throat] is there any
questions or do you want me just to touch on
» Just go for whatever you wish. >> Explain what you want to do there.
» So, yeah, so the So, our idea behind it was that
uh the money that we're looking for would be in cooperation with ourselves
and and we do plan on approaching other groups in town as
well. Um, but it it is for the four holes that
are our shared boundaries with the town. So, being walking path and the cemetery.
Um, we've had the some of the trees have been blown over. We've had one tree blow
over on the number line rail number four tee box. That would have been during the
day it would have probably killed somebody during the season two years
ago. Um, and we pick up a lot of tree
branches and stuff and it there's no rhyme or reason to I mean, that those
trees are between the cart path and between the walking path. They could
fall on the walking path just as easily as they could on the cart path.
Um, it's it's [clears throat] they're definitely hazards down at hole seven.
Those are definitely our priorities. They need to go.
Um, as I'm sure everybody knows, we have elm
trees planted on the inside of that boundary and that are kind of stopped
growing because the poplar trees are are shading and blocking them in, which they
will continue to to grow more if we can get rid of those poplar trees. So, we
wouldn't have to have a tree replacement for hole seven.
Um, we would probably have some tree
replacements down four and five. Um, six is virtually gone, but there isn't too
much there in a sense. Um, that we probably do as well. And
those are probably when we would approach some of the service groups in
town about um tree, you know, replanting and stuff
like that, beautification of course with the town and stuff like that. But, we're
not there yet. Right now, our our biggest concern is
the safety aspect of those trees blowing over onto I don't want to say onto the
walking paths and stuff like that. Obviously, you guys all know that the
town owns the golf course, but we do run independently. So, we're not we're not
saying that it needs to be you know you guys funding it yourselves.
We would be kicking in as well. Our near New Year starts on November 1st. So we
would be putting in the 15,000 match your 15 if you guys go
with the proposal and then in November we would start cutting all those trees
down on the whole seven and have a clean up before the start of next season.
Whole six, there's about 19 trees, nine of them have to come down right away as
well. That would That would be more of a fall 2027 job.
Four and five, the trees aren't as bad but they are dying as well. So when we
have KWD come and cut some of these trees down there was they're dead in the
They're just great big holes in the middle of there. There's They're just
like the end of the season at this point.
Um Yeah, that's kind of the long and short
of what we're thinking. We're trying to keep it nice but it's right now it is
mostly on the safety aspect. Especially whole seven, that is
We cut down as many as we can a year. We've talked to the board about having
increasing our tree budget so we can cover We only have a 10,000 tree budget
and I totally appreciate that the town doesn't have unlimited amount of money
that they have a tree budget as well. But we thought if we got started at it
now then you know for the future budgets and stuff that we can have some new
ones.
» Mitch, um you're going to approach service clubs you said um
to help with this 145 or >> Yeah, so like so the So the 145 is is
just for the trees that are on the boundaries. We only have another 150 or
200,000 inside the course. They're not as They're not as dying off as rapidly
and they're not as in much way as They're If they fell over in a flood it
wouldn't make any difference. You don't golf in a flood anyway. So we're not as
concerned about them. We're prioritizing safety ones. But yes, we would We're
just trying to get somebody to take the first leap of faith and say okay when we
can go to the next group and say the town's on board helping us, can you guys
help as well? And it just kind of goes from there.
» Are you going to be asking for money for the inside batch too? Do you think
you're coming to the town for that as well?
» I I Not at this time, no. I think that was one of the ones that once you get
these the priority ones cleaned up that we will start on our own and then
perhaps we may We've had donations from members as well. We had a $10,000
donation last year with five more trees being put those all in back. So, it'd be
that sort of thing as well. We might do an adopt-a-tree program where we'll go
cut down a tree if somebody gives us, you know, $3,000 we can cut down a tree
and plant a tree. That kind of thing. So, that's how we would approach the
inside course. Um we just I you know, like we just
don't have the money to get the priority trees out quick enough.
» Thank you. >> Any other questions?
» Yeah. Darren, what about uh
kind of offset the cost of the the tree people coming in? Would any of your
staff be able to assist them to kind of knock that
cost down? I realize that they are seasonal, but keeping a couple of
seasonals on, you know, Duke or somebody else? Is
there >> Uh so, he So, Duke does stay on. We In
the past we have cleaned up a lot of the trees. Uh KWD is only charging us $300
to clean up at that point in time, too, right?
» Mhm. >> So, it's they're not It's not as as as
much money. It's not like it's half the the cost isn't that.
Um we would We're cuz we're not going to have quite
enough >> [snorts]
» It depends on how the how the budget all works or something like that. But, that
is definitely an option that we we have cleaned up a lot of her in the past.
They have to do the stump grinding for us.
» Oh, yeah. Yeah, and stuff like that. Yeah.
» We have What we've done in the past is they cut up the trees and they left the
logs there and then Duke has guys around town that are looking for firewood. And
so, he just phones those guys and they come and load them all. So, we we've
we've [clears throat] We're also have that in our back pocket to do as well.
» Okay. >> Okay.
» Okay, cuz Steve, I know the golf course has taken a lot of trees down,
especially around seven. So, you've [clears throat] been working on it, I
know, for quite a while and you do put money
in every year to do that. And I know last year when we were playing uh
we played hole seven when we came around,
a tree had come down, so it had just missed
So, you just never know when that is branches or or a whole tree is coming
down, so >> It doesn't have to be weather related to
be proactive. >> If it hasn't dropped, it can just fall,
right? >> Yeah.
» The wind starts to blow and you'll see that coming and all driven down that
street. Tree branches scattered all over.
» Yeah. Yeah, that was a huge limb that came
down that night. >> One thing worth mentioning is council
aware that we've been doing the same thing off roads long.
» Yeah. >> Uh
534 as well. Uh we just planted that whole new bunch
in there. And as far as the street the stump grinding, something that I added
to the report after we had public works look at it was they would like to be
involved in that cuz they got a pretty good method where the shoots don't come
up as bad, so it'll save the asphalt from Should council move forward with
it. Uh Stu would like to have input with the golf course to make sure
» Yeah. >> I think we
Yeah, the relationship with those two good service is a lot, so so the motion
that I have uh
that I hope would forward for it includes some of the to allow good
coordination of public works with >> Yeah, I think that's the biggest one and
that Kim and I talked about a little bit
earlier, too, is that uh Cal Retherford had a scenario what um
he did for his partners where you cut the bark around the tree 18 in in height
off and then you so that you do it now, so then when it doesn't in the fall it
doesn't shoot send it's uh >> the
» the sap sap down in so then you get less shoots and he really believed in that
now that too, so I'm not sure he was the arborist, but uh
um I I know that my son-in-law did it and
he had the trees that he did that on he had half the shoots sending back up
as what the other ones did, so I I think it has merit, so I mean again,
you know, if you can pick up on what Stu said, you know, of working with Duke and
and saying, you know, can we cut it down and make it so that we don't have so
much damage to either cart path or the or the walking path with the shoots off
those darn poplars, it'd be a huge asset, that's for sure. So.
Well, if there's no other questions, um it's farther on our agenda. If you want,
you're welcome to stay and listen and >> minutes left, you can stick around.
» [laughter] >> I think I don't know how you go through
the agenda in 8 minutes, it might be there.
» You you can stay till it comes up or you can go when this
Oh, I'm sorry, Chris. >> One question. So, where do you get your
trees from, John? >> Um
» You get some like Eagle Lake or >> Yes, well, the the ones that we bought
last year that that we got the donation from Wayne, I believe came from Eagle
Lake. No, we I think it was I think it's Joy on the golf course. I
think her I don't want to say nephew or something
works up there, so he's he's been they've been talking about Corki, and he
gave us a bit of a break on some trees, and and they haven't do good. They've
kind of bought it, so he he he's doing that.
We we did talk to to Corki as well about cut trees. They were more money than
KWD. Um
and and just throwing out there, we've tried, you know, we don't have really
have the the connections you guys have at Fortress. They really don't help at
all. They wouldn't even open a gate to talk to us. Like I
I feel like they when they come and spend a lot of money to trim those trees
back, like why wouldn't they just want somebody to cut the trees down? But
we don't have anybody connected enough to them to get that to make that happen.
If you guys do, that's great, but we don't, so.
» Yeah, no, I I don't think they've ever been very kind on, you know, butchering
the trees and then, you know, >> The ones down there
by the school are just terrible. >> it's it's terrible. I mean, there's but
anyway, that's what they believe they have to do, and and
they do it. And again, like he said, you know, instead of talking when we're
doing something else to them, they they don't they they have their
philosophy and and we don't have any friends in their
group.
» We we do have a county counselor on our board this year and so he's going to
once, you know, we talked to you guys and we also going to vote close to the
county to vote their parks and recreation and see if he gets money at
that as well. That's where kind of we're at.
» Okay. Thank you very much and like I said,
you're welcome to stay or >> You can't sit that long at one time but
I can't sit. >> Well, you can stand. [laughter]
All right. >> I love it when people pace during a
meeting. >> [laughter]
» Yeah, that would be striking at all. >> See you later.
» Thanks, guys. >> Thank you.
» Hope you feel better, buddy. >> Yeah.
» Okay. Moving on to
511 or 51, the National Police Federation call to action.
» So, I first included just the the email and
the and the call to action but uh part of it just didn't make sense
without all the statistical data so I am sorry. I don't usually put documents
that big in the agenda but we had a later agenda today so that does have all
the graph work that came along with it. Uh there
uh it is just a correspondence piece. Should council uh wish to participate
and entertain a motion to uh send them our
logo to attach to it if you're interested.
» Okay, anybody have any
thoughts on that? >> Is it strictly Alberta or is this
nationwide? Like I I read BC and that kind of thing
and uh
there's pros and cons to both like >> the purpose of what they're doing for
the call to action is actually specific to Alberta. It helps them to send it
straight to the premier.
» Yeah, it's interesting. When I was reading this, the only thought I had was
uh you know, I I'm uh
I'm kind of a pro guy, but I I I
I would like to have a a way in cost cuz our costs are going up quite
significantly with the RCMP over the next few years.
It would sure be nice if our provincial government had some sort of idea what
the matching costs would be for like our community if it was you know, I that
would be a something to know what it is to have a to make a decision on, you
know, it's cuz
I I think we have pretty good officers here. I just
you know, I I'd sure like to see what costs are
going to be and what [clears throat] costs from the
government are going to be cuz it's going to be in there play in our budget
quite significantly over the next few years.
» Go ahead, Dave. >> I
it Your question is good, very good.
But I would feel that uh Miss Smith
it doesn't really know what those numbers are and I think it's going to be
quite substantial. With the RCMP, that's federal, so we do
get a bit of federal coming in to support the Royal Canadian Mounted
Police. If it goes the other other way, I
chances are we're not going to see federal and I think it would be more
costly. >> Yeah, I don't know and that's what I was
» I don't know either. I'm just putting my two bits
» That's what I'd like to be able to have there so I can make a weighted decision
on this. >> Yeah.
» So. >> Well, I
I think though that too is that some of the costs that we're
seeing now have been created because of the
larger municipalities that always have had to pay their share.
» Yeah. >> And they saw a portion of the province
that paid zero for the uh
policing and so I I think they felt that this is more of a fairer method, but
» And the other thing to keep in mind, this is just a letter of request from
one group, the RMA, the Alberta Municipalities,
many of the uh
groups that council attends and and with are also doing the same thing,
trying to get these numbers all these things together. So, this is just a
request from them. >> And I think too on on this too,
going back to exactly what Kim said, you know, to be honest with you, up until a
few years ago, we hardly heard much from the
the policing provincial wide, especially.
We heard from our local people a little bit, but even that we heard more in the
last four or five years than we ever heard in the past.
But, Christian, you had a comment? >> Oh, I was just going to say if if the
county's taken position on the matter at all.
» I don't know. It's just like I said, this
just came as correspondence. >> Okay.
» And you got to remember this is >> [clears throat]
» their union side of it. It's like the Canada Post. I mean,
they've got their union side of it that's, you know, they're always asking
for, you know, support. And again, not to say that there's anything wrong with
supporting that side of the picture. It's just that
you know, they're giving their views from what they see and uh
potential. And again, like I said, in the in the last few years, we've seen
more information than we've ever seen in the past.
You know, some of us that have been around for a
while, hardly ever heard from them other than, you know, their our local ones
were good enough to come to our table, but nothing provincially or federally,
so. But again, we don't have to do anything.
This is >> Just receive it for information.
» I'll make the motion to receive it for information.
» Okay. So, Wayne will second the motion. Any other discussion on
this? Hearing none, call the question. All in
favor? Opposed? Seeing none, it is carried.
Okay, and we'll move on to the cash statement
as of today in June. >> As you can see, we're sitting in a
decent financial position, but that's usually the case at the end of June, so.
» [laughter]
» That's what to do with the largest source of revenue for the we
have here. >> And then unfortunately the the
difference too is that um we don't get on a monthly basis, so
» Yeah, absolutely. >> Okay, any questions on cash statement?
If not, someone wish to move the cash statement. Uh Chantel.
» Move it forward. >> Any discussion on Chantel's motion?
Hearing none, I'll call the question. All in favor?
Opposed? See none, it's carried unanimously.
Year-to-date statement.
» It's very straightforward unless uh there is something that caught council's
attention, uh an anomaly that
it's very interesting. >> school taxes are a dollar time?
» That's because uh yeah, you put that in there and uh
when we levy it, it goes in. So, on the school, we know those numbers, so
and then we just levy it four times >> a year. Okay.
Okay, any other questions on the
year-to-date? Okay, I'll entertain a motion.
Chris.
Any discussion on Chris's motion? Hearing none, I'll call the question.
All in favor? Opposed? See none, it's carried
Okay, we'll move on to the next one, which is Darren. He could stay for the
next one. >> [laughter]
» He could He said he was pretty sure. >> finished his 15 minutes he was allotted.
» It's like a >> Okay, anyway.
You You heard the the comments and and uh
» So, I had a chance to meet obviously with Darren beforehand and
uh I've also uh spoke to public works about it. They told me feedback that
they had is that should council want to participate in this,
uh gives uh good grounds to have public
works involved in because of course there's pavement on both sides of those
trees and the excuse of that they've been very successful last couple of
years with uh uh the timing of cutting the trees to then
treating the stump and then when they grind to uh uh
to limit the amount of uh sucker roots that do come up. And as you all are very
aware, sucker roots when we do trim all of our trees, things like that, they are
a huge detriment to sidewalks, asphalt, all those things. So yeah.
So now Steve would like to share that information with the golf course,
especially if they're going to do so many
to try to keep the integrity of both their pathways and our pathways as as
they do that work. >> And you know, like like
he Darren was saying is there is two sides there that really do flank both
the town's walking path and the and the golf course's cart path for the
golf course's fairway and and green. So I I think that they did the right thing
by planting trees behind them, but unfortunately now they've got these ugly
trees that are And and again, he's he's right, you
know, Fortis has not been kind enough to you know, you'd say well, instead of
doing the butcher job you guys do on them, why don't you just
chop them chop them down.
And they have a budget, they have a program and
they don't alter from that at all, so >> Yeah.
» Chris >> Do you Do you have other municipalities?
Do they have a similar arrangement like a cost sharing? Is that normal or is it
just because of the because of the walking path and because of that shared
pathway? >> Well, and then I think also too is that
you know, we we have to also always remember is that the the that area
belongs to the town. >> Yeah.
» The golf course belongs to the town and we use it as part of our green space
um allocations and the only one that's going to potentially affect us on a
green space allocation is the school board that's coming up.
» Yeah. >> Um cuz they can steal green space
allocation or dollars.
And um they uh
But we have been good enough to use that green space allocation as part of the
program we have here. >> Uh you know, if
Darren you brought up the safety factor and and even our counselor
uh Sanderson said that uh you know, playing there a tree comes down and
if we know that information up front, we fail to act on it,
are we not in some sort of liability in that, you know, like you live in that
world. And um >> Well, this is now public knowledge.
» Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah.
» But but also too on the liability side too is that we do have a tree
program too. And and you know, we cannot control mother nature
» No. >> with the wind or the way the trees are
grow. So, I mean, some of those trees look pretty decent on the outside and
then it come down on the sudden you see there's a
» Oh, all the way through the middle. >> middle of the middle of it.
» Yeah. >> So, we go ahead.
» One one thing to keep in mind with liability side is we're always liable on
those. Uh but we also are covering our liability both from the golf course
standpoint within their own insurance uh and the town's is we have tree
programs in place. We can prove that we are doing ongoing maintenance of those
certain things. And and we do risk That's why we do our trees out on the
risk assessment uh side of things. Golf course has now come and said that their
risk assessment on these trees is very high.
It's going to take them And I guess that's the
what was really put to me when asked bringing this proposal forward to
council was left to their own devices, this could take them 20 years. And you
know, what they're trying to do is bring it down to 4 years.
And so, their ask being that $15,000 year
that was to do the four years 145 that they got quoted.
Our our cost share is 60,000. So, 15,000 a year we obviously didn't put it in the
budget for this year, but council can look at it as as a one-time grant going
forward to put it in the budget for the next 3 years if you're interested.
That's logistically how you can do it. It is uh
as Tom said, I mean you will hold title on all that land and it's all town land
because that's that's where it's the unique partnership and it's I I wouldn't
be able to tell you what that's like in other communities whether they
they have that shared agreement or not.
» So, you still >> You don't want to be like Edmonton right
now. >> No.
» Anyways, but I'll make the recommendation that council approves the
Vulcan Golf and Country Club's request for funding of $15,000 per year for 4
years for the removal of hazardous trees in coordination with public works on the
perimeter of the golf course with funding for 2026
of the $15,000 to be drawn from contingency reserves and directs
administration to include 15,000 [clears throat]
the one-time grant portion of 2729 operational budget.
» Okay, thank you. Any discussion on Dwayne's motion?
Okay. Hearing none, I'll call the question in
favor. Opposed? Seeing none, it's carried
unanimously. >> Okay, we'll move on. Yeah, I've got a
question regarding the green space. Explain to me this green space.
» Well, when when they subdivide a piece of
property, a portion of the subdivision has to go to either green
space or you can pay cash in lieu. And so, that's partly why when Dean
Pollock did his area there, He wanted the second nine holes for two reasons.
One is it creates a green space so he didn't have to put any money up. And
number two, >> [clears throat]
» he was able to retain the water from the storm waters onto those into those ponds
and stuff like that. >> Okay, any large subdivision has to have
10% municipal reserve. >> Municipal. [clears throat]
But the the school has first right of refusals on municipal on
municipal reserves.
So, that that's partly why, you know, that that green space that they call a
football field or rugby field or whatever, it really and truly belongs to
the town. They do all the maintenance on it, but
it is part of our green space allocation too. So,
you know, there might be a bit of a discussion if they built a new school
depending on what happened. But anyway, >> On the south side of the hospital?
» Yeah. Quite quite south.
» [laughter] >> There was a
comment [clears throat] that did come to me about building it at the corner
store. >> A school?
» A school. >> Oh, yeah.
» Yeah. So, anyways, thank you for answering that,
sir. >> Okay, go ahead.
» Um, I just wanted to say one thing. I I noticed that our uh
country club's been rebranding, so to speak, and they have
some sort of new kind of marketing initiatives. And so, I've seen some of
the stuff that they've recently put out on social media.
They've made the course look absolutely beautiful, and it is in really good
shape right now, and they've done a fantastic job of of showing it off. And
so, if you haven't looked at some of their stuff on
Instagram or Facebook, but I think they whoever they've hired to do that, they
it looks very very well done and thoughtful.
» But I think also, you know, >> Yeah, it looks good.
» you take a look at the golf club for for years. They have tried different things,
you know, they >> [clears throat]
» joined a different, you know, I'm not a golfer, but they joined a a group where
they, you know, sold [clears throat] the the
golf course as being one of four or one of five or whatever, you know. They
tried different things. Now, and I think that's great cuz I think you're right,
you know, you [clears throat] got to kind of sometimes think outside the box.
Um and unfortunately, you know, we that was one thing that our community has
always been known for is our tree canopy. And you know,
the the golf course has got a huge tree canopy and now all of a sudden it's
coming back to haunt them because their trees are aging the same as ours are,
but you know, and that's that's partly why
the councils in the past have put funds away for trees and sidewalks and stuff
» [clears throat] >> or slowly deteriorating in our community
and so it you don't get hit with it all big time in one year and that's what
they're unfortunately, [clears throat] so.
Uh I think that, you know, but again that tries to answer your question on
the green space allocation thing, so it's kind of a
one that you kind of get nailed with, but
Okay, well, we'll move on to Councillor Sanderson.
» One pager. >> What? Bridge? What?
» [laughter] >> July 14th at 8:30, um
we had uh we reviewed a draft to apply for the
BCSF, which is Built Community Strong Fund. This is uh I think through the
Left Bridge program and we suggested some additions and changes and uh
so Lorraine got that all done up for us and
we uh got that sent off on Monday night.
Monday afternoon. And July 14th, right after that we were supposed to have a
design meeting, but Lorraine had another meeting and she couldn't come on and we
needed her information, so that was canceled, so thank goodness.
We could just have a visit until we realized she wasn't going to be able to
make it back home. Uh July 15th at 3:00 p.m. we had a security and communication
workshop with uh Gloria Kaufman from the Peter Dawson
Lodge, myself, uh Bill and Jerry. Uh they were
Jerry's with uh TWS and Bill's with Chandos, I believe. And Briane, uh Corey
was unable to attend due to a sewer backup, so
he had a good excuse. But we [snorts] did need him there. Uh
we went through the plans on all the floors.
We did room by room for security and communication, where cameras need to be
located, which outside doors are fall back activated, the fire and smoke, the
FD control panel, which is the remote access, where all cable accesses are
located. Currently, there are two call bells call bells in every room, and
those were not relegated for. So, by going through this
room by room, you pick up you know, the lodge can say, "Well, hey,
what about what about this? We don't have this in there." And it wasn't on
their on their plan, so um they're getting pricing for that. Um
you know where all the cable accesses are located, and um
and uh this the call bells is going to cost us about 200,000.
» Yeah. >> So, we need to know what our preference
is. So, they'll be talking to the staff, we'll probably find out tomorrow night
at our meeting, and what's affordable um prior to boarding up the walls, so it's
all all in there. TV cables, I thought was pretty uh interesting they the way
they set it up, you can plug into Shaw or Telus. It's very flexible, so you're
not having to change out the So,
they're pretty and Bill had power separate for because we have
self-contained units in there. We have three two-bedroom, and I think 10
bedrooms are considered self-contained, which is kind of what it is
At the lodge, you know, those little separate buildings that are by Peter
Dawson Lodge, those are considered self-contained units. Only we're going
to have some self-contained and they're marketable, so you're going to make more
money on them. So, that'll be a bigger income for us to help support paying
this lodge off. So, that's uh why we went that way.
So, he had under his understanding, he had
two transformers, one for the lodge and then for the
self-contained. But, that's not how we want to set up,
so but it's cheaper to leave the transformer plan in there than to change
it, so we're going to leave it and then he suggested increasing the um
you know, kind of monitor the the amount of electricity and then make them pay a
percentage of the bill, so we're going to figure
that out. So, a lot of things you you learn that
you didn't think you'd ever want to learn.
Uh Jerry is going to do a camera review and advise how many cameras exactly in
the building cuz there was a few missed, so he's going to do that. Uh July 16th,
I attended an hour of the presentation by Paliser.
Sorry, I had to leave, but personally
my body needed it. July 20th, uh 9:30 a.m.
Um we just went through the corrections
that uh that uh Lorraine did on that Build
Community Strong Fund and she got that sent out July 20th. July 22nd at 9:00
a.m. Um Lorraine, Kelly, Dick Ellis, Gloria and
myself, Brianne and Harmon from M3, Mike and Natalie, Amar, Bill Hamilton from
Shandells and Megan from JMAA. Um
had a a talk about some of the things that happened in the previous meeting.
Um 50,000 is in our budget for the
nurse 50,000 is in the budget for the nurse call button and the rest of money
will have to come out of our budget. So, that's just more money that we're going
to have to to raise. It's gets better.
Um vinylized the less expensive flooring. It is LVT
flooring and other cost savings we're going through again.
Um Glorious Meeting Plus met with the school to find out tomorrow night and
see if they will supply cuz a lot of times they'll come in and supply the
towels toilet rolls and everything. So, just
make sure that's all covered and they will do that for nothing.
Um electrical is down 250,000. That's the good news, but heating went up 30%
increase mechanical and heating up to a cost of 2 million dollars.
So, checking to see if there are any other cost savings, what equipment went
up, where increases are coming from. So, we require an additional 1.7.
So, if we get this um
Build Community Strong sign, I think we asked for just over 3 million, which was
going to allow us to put everything in that we had cut before.
But now it will hopefully we'll get it and it will cover
this 1.7 and then put a few other things in that we had to and who knows what
else. I mean, until we get all the trades locked in
then our prices can fluctuate, right? Until that final hour. So,
Uh so, we're praying for that. So, stay tuned.
Uh tomorrow I have a couple of No, I just I have one meeting now, one
raising meeting tomorrow morning. Our design meeting was canceled.
Um they're waiting for some of these costs to come in before we meet again.
Um and then the evening I have the Marcus Foundation meeting.
On the 30th, uh we're supposed to have this meeting today, but it was canceled
to uh with our lawyer to discuss any
changes for the last agreement for senior seats. We'll be going to that
later on Thursday.
» Nice. >> know. We're getting closer, but
» Yeah. Any questions for Judy?
Thank you, Councillor Vote. >> As Judy said, I was
also was at the Palliser school meeting on the 16th here and quite interesting
lot of information. Um
the very very first step. Um
So, I I did find that very interesting. Some of the comments were interesting.
Um I was quite surprised at the
size of our school versus the percentage that's not that's not being used. That
was quite quite an eye-opener.
Um then uh
I attended with Tom and Joan. We did the
new pool sign uh unveiling on Saturday and did the parade
with that and um it was kind of fun. We had a
It was fun. We loved that. Um going to do the uh Strathmore parade
on Saturday. I think Georgia Lee and I are going to do it. It's a Saturday,
right? Yeah. And um
uh then uh been having some comments on a
couple things. Uh one of them in the business downtown uh the closures. Um
just wondering if if there's anything we can do as a town, get together with
small business, see if we can come up with any ideas
to attract any small entrepreneurs into a
a town like ours and uh there's lots of things in the way of doing it, but um
I don't know. I just for me, I'm thinking we've got to do
something, you know, and try to get some small business. I don't know how we can
work with uh with the government provincial
government to see if there's any incentives and we have the tax
incentives in place already, but I'm just wondering if there's more that we
can do as a town working together with other organizations to see if we can
draw some smaller businesses in the town and
see if we can fill some buildings. And um it's kind of been on my mind. The
other one uh was um
uh local coffee and girls coffee were
talking about the pool and um uh they felt how unsafe it was and they
Chris walked in while they were having the conversation, I guess, and um
but um so that was brought forward to me and I
said I would mention it and um just uh see if we're doing what we're
doing about that and um so that was about it. Um
And um
just the local stuff, you know, what's going on, why they're digging a hole on
our street and you know, and you know,
just the average stuff. So, um
one fellow I know from over at Okotoks, he was in the Tin Man and he said
it's the first one he did and he said it was awesome. He uh really enjoyed it.
And I said, "Well, you're right right by my house." He says, "Stopped and had a
coffee." You know, >> [laughter]
» and but uh um he said it was very well done. So, he
he was very good to your town for that. So, that was about it.
I was hoping I was wrong but there's no way.
Okay. >> Any questions for Richard?
» So, the the question about the businesses, is that like a taxpayer that
came to you with that? >> That was um that was me. I'm watching
them tear down signs. I'm watching them I'm thinking
I know a couple people mentioned it to me, you
know, the way we're traveling seems to be holding up. I said, you know,
So, I said, you know, when I was looking at those, I was watching the CIBC sign
come down and I was walking [clears throat] at Main
Street and I drove up and down Main Street a couple times and I thought,
what can we do? >> And now it was the same thing since
then. >> Yes, there was that one too.
» Was there any other one? >> Oh, okay.
» It was both. >> Awesome.
» Oh, I should have known that. >> Okay, I should have seen that they were
shutting down and I should have known that they were closing down.
» So, >> But you also have to remember though
that in >> [clears throat]
» in fairness, if you offer a incentive to anybody, you have to offer it to
everybody. >> I don't
» So, so you you got to be careful on that. I'm not I'm not saying it's wrong,
I'm just saying that, you know, you got it that's part of it why we came came up
with that incentive program. And and I think we need to flog it a little bit
more if somebody comes along and say, "Hey, there is programs out there." And
you know, I mean, Lyle did have three opportunities to sell that one lot.
» Yeah. >> But they turned it down
because they restrictions on them. Yeah, they wanted to buy it to, you
know, make it into a park. But they only wanted to pay $50 a year
or zero for taxation on it, you know, that type of thing. So, you know, we
only need so many parks and we only need so many gazebos and so many bell towers
and so many, you know, type things in our community. So, you know, but again,
just always remember in the back of your mind that if you offer an incentive to
one group, you have to offer it to everybody.
» I understand that, Mr. Mayor. Um, I just got in office and experienced um
when I started my business, Small Business Alberta, I went to them and it
was funny, they flat out told me, "No." And then when we bought the shop, you
know, the Sears building, we bought that and then
they walked in one day and I said, "If I hired a man and if I bought a vehicle,
you would have gave me $200,000 right now." They said, "You're right." And I
So, I was thinking along that premise. I know with the town we have tax
incentives for your business, you know, to start, but I I was thinking along
that premise, if if there's any way we could come together
find out from the provincial side what we could both come together and offer
as, you know, we have ours, they have theirs, and maybe there's a thing.
You're leaving it at me. Go ahead. >> I just to to that point asking what what
we can do, those sort of things. Just keep in mind, we're just wrapping up and
will be presented to council fairly quickly that new economic development
plan that we've been working on for so long that addresses small business stuff
in town as well. And if anybody is asking you about small business help in
our community, we're still members of Community Futures Highwood. And that's
that's huge. That's one of the one of the largest
funders of small business in southern Alberta. So, yeah.
» Okay. >> We should We're we're still actively
participating in that. We So, those are the things just should
that come up, what are we working on right now, those those could answer
those. >> Well, thank you. Appreciate that.
» No, well, that's great. I mean I mean it's out there. I mean there is
concerns. I mean I'm not a big Facebook person, but you
know, when you read some of it, you have to read between the lines, too, you
know? I mean somebody looking for a tire, too, but yeah, you know, you
then when a person says, "Well, check Lowe's Hardware." You know, 15 said, "Go
on Amazon." And you know, you sit back and go, you know,
um Olds tried to say, you know, the Amazons and uh Purolators and uh
Peerless trucks stop at the curb and they have to pay a uh price to come into
the community. Uh they got hung up to dry on that one.
and uh but again you know it's So, how many people are selling their their
stuff because they ordered it from Amazon and it doesn't work or doesn't
fit or but yet you know what you need a quart of milk and what are you going to
do [clears throat] you want to complain because you
you know you drive to Lethbridge and spend $500 on on groceries and yet you
you know complain because you your quart of milk is you know
a little higher or whatever so I mean there there is that
pros and cons to the treaty 2018 >> So they can find out about Community
Futures because if you come to the bank and you can't do the loan for them they
they give you a contact and they will the
bank will contact Community Futures and set up so that you can get your business
up and running too so there's everybody's working
» We we let every business know that as well
from a council standpoint as far as sales of buildings and things don't
lots of times we cannot we we take all of this information in confidentially so
a sale of a building for another business may not be common
knowledge
we do try to keep that >> Um well I think it was a concept that we
we we spoke about a little bit at the strategic planning we talked about
businesses and I mentioned what can we do right and it's looking at okay well
what can council control and focus on what we can control like well we can't
can't try to just fill downtown so we have to incentivize people to come in
and advertise for businesses to come in that
will help the community and goods and services goods are
are and it's tough to have open up a shoe store in town and
thrive right in in the Amazon world we live in
we're disproportionately affected by area and distance that's just something
that is in our makeup and so we have to have
service-based businesses Those are the businesses that are doing
well. And so I think if Main Street changes from goods to more service-based
buildings over time, but I think we focus on what we can control
and what can we control? We can we can look for the industrial side.
That That getting larger base businesses in town that create jobs that bring
people into town that make them move here and then that creates the demand
for downtown core that language. So
Um so I think it's focusing on that stuff and then we're coming into these
capital projects like with with the school and the lodge and and um other
things that are happening within industrial parks both county and town.
And those things I think if we do a good job advertising that and and promoting
that side, I think all the other stuff comes into play a little bit better. So
it's it's uh I think that's a tertiary effect
of of all the other things that we can control or towards and you know
administration and previous councils they've have done a great job making
downtown look look wonderful, but we can't control the individual owners of
the businesses. We can give those tax incentives and
» Well, I'm not saying I'm not saying control them. I'm just No.
» Yeah. >> But how can we you're talking about
helping like not necessarily that >> that control. It's it's you know, you
want to be fair to everyone. >> Oh yeah.
» For sure. >> You're just hearing a little of my heart
right there.
» And again, we're you know, we're not trying to
belittle anybody's thoughts or philosophies at all on it. It's just
that you know, it it's not as easy as a person thinks
and and it's easy to sit
behind your computer or your coffee shop or whatever
and and come up with all these suggestions and
and yet quite often, you know, it's there's more to it than that. You know,
it's I was once told that a subject's like a
cup, you know, you have to go all the way around the cup to understand it.
And and I think you know, that's the same thing with this here is that
there's more there's more moving parts than people think. All they see is what
they see. >> Yeah.
» And some of them have their blinders on, you know, really quite tight. So, but
again, I think education exactly what we talked about here
tonight, you know, there's lots of things out there that some of us don't
remember or didn't realize are still out there. And if somebody has a question,
you know, try and send them in that right
direction. And so that we can move it forward but
» Okay, appreciate all your comments. Thank you very much.
» Anything else for Richard? Yeah, he comes.
» you said something about the pool and Um
Did you want to say anything about that or did
» The >> Talk about safety or something.
» Yeah. Yeah, so as you're as you were all aware
from the last council meeting, we uh have someone fall on the on
» Oh, it's okay. >> And there was a group at a restaurant
apparently that had words with Chris about how unsafe
the floor was and he defended that with
with our procedures that we have in place. We sweep the floors every 15
minutes. We have signs posted from a liability standpoint.
But it was brought up that there should be flooring should be put in. And of
course all the public suggestions that should be there without any
further thought to mold growing, rubber flooring and all of those things. So,
from our standpoint with Alberta Health Services that uh
that looks after our our pool. Our procedures are sound.
» Mhm. And uh pool floors are are slippery. They when
they have water on them. That's why we implemented the 15-minute squeegee cycle
between their rotations on and off the deck.
And uh we are covering all our sides. But
and Chris did explain that to the >> Yeah. It didn't sound like it was very
well received. >> Yeah.
» And in a public forum that's hard to listen to.
Yeah, absolutely. >> Yeah, you know and and I worked at a
swimming pool for four over well, three different swimming pools over 40 years
and uh uh you know, in those 40 years I saw 40
different things that were tried to make the floors not slippery and and you
know, right from exactly Kim said, you know,
one pool floor they put these rubber chips
down and you know, you'd go through a mop every 2 days. You know, because
» The last week were very hard on it. >> And and you know, sandblasting and I
mean, there was everything that you could think of was tried and uh
I think I don't think there's a pool out there that has found a
perfect system. Um so and again, exactly Kim said uh Alberta Health uh
um definitely comes down on you if you have water standing, but yet on the
other hand, if you don't clean it enough or it doesn't
enough, you get in trouble, too. So, I mean Yeah. You know, I I think
procedures and education is the best that we can do. So.
» I appreciate it. But it's still >> So, just um going forward, there isn't
further discussion about any changes to the flooring. We're strictly just
sticking with the procedures that are in place.
» Yeah, cuz we're redoing the flooring and that uh we haven't even put a cost
estimate something like that. >> And again, what what do you do?
» This was engineered for a pool setting. And
it's a It's only 5 years old, 6 years old now.
So, the procedures that we have in place for squeegeeing the floors and that are
as high a standard as every other pool out there.
And and I can guarantee you there isn't a pool in all of St. Albert that hasn't
had the same discussion at some point in
time depending on what's going on. >> Yeah.
» And and uh >> So, with finance and whatnot, that we're
not held liable if somebody were to fall then and as long as we're putting up the
» Wait. So, so on the liability side, we're always liable. If somebody gets
hurt on a town town facilities, we're always liable. But, we limit that
liability by posting signs, by having procedures in place. The same as pothole
patching or fixing sidewalks or any of those things. We put the programs in
place. We acknowledge that there's a hazard there that we are
» Yeah. >> And so, by This is what Chris tried to
explain. With us squeegeeing the floor 15 minutes on a cycle as the lifeguards
are coming off the deck, that is our procedure to make sure that
the floors are being done and the HS is we're above standards with that. We get
get trouble for that. So. So, yeah. And the different flooring
materials there Anyway, as Tom said, we tried
everything. We We sanded lots of We put glass beads
down and they were good.
Uh fantastic first year, second year, they
were slipperier than the floor was before. Uh
you can put down matting, those sort of things, but those have to be lifted
every 15 minutes to to squeegee because uh they will grow mold and that's way
more hazardous than posting a sign and having people
walk Then again, those are the rules for keeping kids from running and And it's
unfortunate that we have wet areas like that and
uh over my career I have seen a lot of
falls in all of our different pools. It's unfortunate when it happens and we
have modified our procedures to where we are today to try to keep that from
happening. But again, somebody running or rolling an ankle or
or whatever may happen. That's Sometimes it's an
accident as well. >> Out of curiosity, that accident that
took place, was that um outside or was that inside?
» inside the dressing room. >> Okay.
» And again, lots of times it's unfortunate, but they are accidents.
Like there's nothing And this is the other way to look at liability from the
town side. Did the town do something negligent to cause this to happen? And
by showing everything that we do, there's nobody that works for the town
or is in administration for the town that is negligently doing something to
harm people. >> Well, and this is the thing is, like you
can squeegee the floor a million times and that's great. It it limits it, but
as soon as someone gets out of the pool and they're soaking wet,
they're walking and the water they're dragging along. So it really I mean,
that's the best that we can do. Does that make sense?
» Okay. Anything else? Thank you, Richard. Councillor Vote, do you have any?
» I just had the meeting with Councillor, which I thought was interesting. It was
kind of nice to get the information about where they stand at the moment
because then we were able to pass that information on to to locals and help
kind of calm everyone down a little bit with what the plans are and timeline and
all of that fun stuff. So um I look forward to the meeting that we
have the joint meeting with the county. I think that's going to be
interesting. Um I do believe I plan on attending the
Strathmore race this weekend. Other than that, I've got nothing.
» Okay. Any questions for Shantal? Councillor
» Uh for me, same thing with the uh Palister meeting.
Uh well, it's great, you know, early, of course, but I think
getting both municipalities on side on on potential funding and different
things on uh on the project, I think it's great
before the meeting in September. Standard does the scoping, so
I think that's that's really good. Um you know, it was seemed to be a pretty
friendly meeting, and they're more than willing to meet
other times, and so I thought that was a great first step.
And uh look forward to the the meeting on the 5th.
And uh yeah, I have a And then, following that meeting on the
5th, there's a I'll be in a inter-municipal development
meeting, my first one. >> Okay.
» All right. So, that'll be fun, and um yeah, other than that, I have a little
bit of correspondence with with Angela. I have a phone call with her tomorrow,
which is her giving me a quick update on things.
There most likely will be a release of funds at some point in the near future,
but I'll get more details as that kind of comes through, so.
Yeah, [snorts] other than that, that's it.
» Okay, any questions for Chris? >> I'm just going to make a comment about
the Palister thing. Actually, after sharing some of the information with not
only adults, but some of the kids too, that have been curious and a little
concerned about what's going on with the school, it was interesting to hear some
of their points of view on what they would like to see in the school system.
I know it's been brought up by a few kids that um
they fear going to the bathroom at the school, and so they really like to see
some safety regulations put in place when it comes to bathroom use.
Um so, it it's just going to be really interesting, I think, to see to hear
some of the different perspectives from teachers, EAs, um, parents, and then
kids are a big, you know, a big part of it. I think it will be fun to to listen
to it and hear what they have to say. It definitely opened my eyes, and I work in
the school, and it [clears throat] they really opened my eyes to what they feel
on a daily basis and what they feel like they need to be able to, um, feel
comfortable. >> One question that I was going to ask to
you that I forgot to ask in the meeting was if they've interviewed, uh, like the
actual staff. Right? Cuz they sent out the survey
» the the survey. >> I'm getting a lot of negative feedback
from the survey. Like overall, most people that filled it out didn't like
the way the survey was done, but, you know,
» I think >> But, uh, I thought that it would be nice
to see what the teach how the teaching staff at the because they know the
facility better than anyone, right? And what the what students need and whatnot.
So, it'd be interesting to see that lens.
» I think they sent out >> I'm not sure how it works because, you
know, they're part of the union and then it's So, I I don't know if it's a
» I think they're going to really see a huge Once they've been in that facility
for a long length of time, they're going to see a big shock when they see 50% of
that building gone. >> Yeah, exactly.
» Yeah, and you lose you lose that second gym cuz you're only going to have one
gym unless somebody in the public's going to build one, and then they get to
use it, you know? So, uh, I I think there are a lot of teachers
that have The one gentleman that was here talked about working in the in the
in the >> in the CTS
» CTS, you know, you get that cut by at least 50%, maybe 75%.
» Maybe. >> You know, and and all of a sudden
they're going to have their eyes open, and they're going to say maybe they're
whining and complaining because the electrical or the air conditioning's not
as good as it should be or the >> not enough natural light
» Yeah, not not, yeah. >> I think the new the new like building a
brand new it's be careful what you wish for.
» Well, I know and I think that's one thing we we need to really definitely
go out to the public and say you know, be careful of what you ask for
because you know, like you know, 50% to 60% and you know, and they the
chairman of of Palliser, the reason why that he thought that CCHHS should have
been number one for years is because of the operating costs.
» I don't want to with the math on that but they factor in
the CRC portion of it. That's where like I hear from some people that it's like
oh, it's skewed because of they're putting them the equation in and the way
they do the math they include that whole CRC and then it just manipulation
» They have they have but again, the the school
system has a CRC from 6:00 in the morning till 6:00 o'clock at night every
day or I shouldn't say five five days a week for sure
from 6:00 to 6:00 and so if you don't want the numbers, don't ask
for the facility. So that's that's where the public is and the the teachers and
the students and parents you know, I've been spoiled because that
building was designed for 750 kids and you're under 300. You know, so you're
you're less than 50% right now. >> if I remember right.
» So I mean so you you really have to sit back and say again exactly what you're
saying is that be careful what you ask for because when you get it, it might
not be exactly what you want and I think that's where
a lot of them don't understand. >> Yeah, that's one so I think
you know, there may be a more of a leaning to like a hybrid model where you
keep keep the facility keep the building.
» And again, you don't but you take a look at them you know, the again, this is up
to Palliser to make that decision do but I mean
you know, $30,000 $30 million
to renovate or $35 million to build new. Ooh, which one would I go with? I would
go with the $35 million to build new and then take that
» The city said the $35 million was 5-year numbers.
» Yeah. >> That could be 40. [laughter]
» Yeah, that's going to be. >> Well, but I mean, you know, Coalhurst
will definitely be but they're they're getting modernization. They're not
getting a rebuild. I mean, they're they're not a brand new.
They're getting a modernization and yet their population is ex-
» 60 >> you know, is is going up extremely.
» Yeah. >> You know, where ours and and the numbers
that they're predicting too for population growth is like when we built
the hospital, you know, they believe believed in in 30 years
we'd be over 5,000 people in the town of Vulcan.
» Yeah. >> You know, it hasn't happened when we
built that one in 1980. You know, so it's [clears throat] again, be careful
what you ask for cuz sometimes when you get it
» Mhm. >> Anyway,
it'll be interesting to see but you know, there isn't and again too, you
know, that that's the thing that bothers me the most about the
the surveying. It it's doesn't matter what group you
were at with, whether it's young, middle,
our age group or the seniors, you know, everybody wants this to give you this
information but 99% of them don't. All we want to do is, you know, like
like they hardly give you that information in a timely fashion.
I mean, you know, they talked about Palliser came to us or we went to them
and asked for this meeting. And then the other in September, you
know, a month and a half of time to to come with all these
questions, with all these suggestions and all these ideas.
You know, a month and a half. If we wouldn't have
asked for this meeting, we would be
we you know, what would we have done? You know, Stantec would have showed up
here. >> In September, yeah.
» And you know, would we even known about it?
» And that meeting's an open forum for everyone.
» It is. And it's just like where it just be at the town hall or wherever it is.
» Well, it could be might be in the Legion or at the Irish Hall.
» I see it sitting >> Okay.
» I see it in the CRC CRC. >> Yeah, it could be right. Yeah, that's a
good good place to have it in. But but you you go there and watch the numbers.
You know, you you listen to the whining and complaining and carrying on in life
and then how many people show up. >> You know.
» It'll be It'll be 2% and yet, you know, there'll be
how many people So, I mean, if you look at the stats that they gave us on those
Dwayne didn't get them, did you? Unfortunately, we should give you a copy
of them. Uh of of of that survey, how many people
were from, you know, town, how many were from county, and how many were
educational teachers, you know.
» No, she didn't supply that survey. She didn't.
» Really? >> Jill provided the survey.
» She showed us the the pies the pie charts on the back of that one. So,
yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. But she was going to supply
me a digital one. >> Yeah.
» So. >> But anyway, I mean, so it's there there
is but >> Mhm.
» Yeah. >> It'll be interesting, so.
» I think it'll be more interesting just on the practice center side, too. Like
that's I would be interesting to get that.
» Well, and we need to do some soul searching on that side, too. So.
» Mhm. Well, that's one of the main
» When they when you know, when they talk about the the facility that's that's,
you know, it's going to need a new roof in the next 2 years and a new heating
system in the next 2 years and you know, and you go
Okay, this facility is less than 40 years old and and uh
» And there's probably an input of probably 300 to 400,000 that have to go
into that building. >> So, but anyway.
» Yeah, well, they said a million dollars for the roof.
» Yeah, just in that. But it's >> Mhm.
» It's government. >> Okay, anything else for Chris?
If not, thank you, Counselor Hill. >> I don't understand parade.
» [laughter] [snorts]
» Three other people ride with me to Calgary. It was most enjoyable.
I did get a text message on uh
Put this up here. Just give me a second, please. I'm
sorry. >> [snorts]
» It would have been on the 15th
from Mr. Ellis that the Mosely Transfer Station had
been broken into and uh
they were apprehended by the RCMP. I haven't heard any more with regards to
that. >> Did they steal the garbage or did they
uh >> No, they were bringing the garbage in
and dumping it. >> Okay. No, that's good.
» So, yeah. Yeah, which I I kind of found weird as well. Uh
but other than that, no. Um our Foothills Regional Emergency Services
Commission meeting was canceled. I think they're going to try for
another meeting in August, late August. And that that was it.
Kind of holiday. It was cold, rainy. No sunshine.
» It was It was hot here. It was >> Yeah, I know. I heard.
Yeah, but the bunch of those uh American people
they were freezing to death. I've never seen toques, gloves, mitts, jackets,
scarves. >> It's 15°.
» Yeah. They're walking around in shorts and a
» T-shirt. Yeah. >> So, no, that's it, Mr. Mayor.
» Okay. Any questions for Dwayne? And I thank you very much. And I too was
at the Foothills meeting, but uh I too was uh have lots of ideas and thinking,
but uh again, I think we need to really uh
contemplate what we are our ask would be um and what our contribution would be.
Um I I think we have a in their eyes a very
good working relationship and I think that
that's that's a good one and you know we've heard from Don once that
you know it took our
our agreement and kind of expanded it to to to fit for other municipalities and
and so I I think we're ahead of the game on
one event but so I think again you know our our wants
and asks and and our our needs are all going to be altered a little bit
because what we're going to accustomed to.
Um I had a SEWA meeting and then a an hour and a half
meeting again today on SEWA so it's uh it's it's getting uglier as the days go
on but hopefully we will see something happen soon over in in Newell uh solid
waste and that might alleviate some of our problems with
what's what's going on so Um I too like Richard said I went to
Vulcan. I went and got the float and took it
down and then met up with Richard and Joan and
and Richard walked in the parade and it was it was good to see. There was a
two two of the stars that they had they couldn't believe what we've done. You
know what I mean? It's it's really funny you know
it's it's like so many things in life you know people that come into your
community sometimes are just gobsmacked by what's going on what's here and what
we've got and what's going on and yet locally we think that we've got nothing
and and uh
and and I think by slowly trying to build on the on it and
and um and and move the project forward I think
it I think it's the the best thing that we can do you know every couple years
try and do something and and uh make it so that there's more things for
people to come to but Um I did watch a interview with a one of
the vendors um, on channels um,
global and uh, you know, he was did had nothing
but great things to say about the facilities that we have and and what was
going on and the whole thing. I mean, it was just a real good interview and
after, you know, listening to the whining and complaining
because >> But let's not forget your taxi driving
because I was coming up and you had a a bunch of people
» And that was the same thing, you know, Richard comes along and and he he said,
you know, I said to him, "Well, I'm not going back
to the to the tourist center." And then the then the float wouldn't start
because I had the generator on, but I didn't have
the town crew had taken the battery charger off. So, then I put the
battery charger on and then I got it going. And then these these women that
couldn't walk in the parade said, "How are we going to
get back?" So, I gave them I was giving them a ride. So, I get down there and I
thought, "Well, maybe I can catch Richard before Richard comes back and
gives me a boost." And then I didn't see you, but
» I drove by and you saw these people sitting there.
» So, I yeah, I was a taxi guy back down. So,
then I dropped them off, I come back to the town shop and I didn't have the keys
to my van and I went down town taking my cell phone. So, now here I am at the
town shop, how do I get Well, I tried using the phone system, but I couldn't
get through and anyway, it was a gong
the whole back part. But anyway, I did get finally find a method to get my
send out smoke signals >> out of the back of the starship.
I had to laugh. I had to laugh. >> I felt so bad cuz here I said to
Richard, "Oh, I need a boost." and he went to get the vehicle and then he come
come back and I'm gone, so >> Well, no, actually, you were coming down
Main Street with all the I drove by, you didn't see me. I waved to you. And I
thought, well, he's doing taxi service now, and so it's working.
» Yeah, well, they thought it was good. But anyway,
you know, I the little bit that I had to do with
the Vulcan was great. And I I think the signage and
the rock Yeah. We were proposing it to us is was a a win-win. And And so, I
think once it gets all up and running, I too am looking forward
to the uh Vulcan County meeting that's coming up. And
again, the parade in And um Strathmore. So, Chris will be sending
out a what time we are going to meet. And And
uh so, those that are coming can meet up and we'll
go to Strathmore on Saturday evening. And that's pretty well it for me.
Any questions? >> Shouldn't be.
» If not, somebody wish to move the uh verbal reports.
Richard? >> Okay.
» An ADR. I'm not >> Okay. Any discussion on Richard motion?
Hearing none, >> I have a question in the favor.
» Thank you very much, everybody. And moving on to action list.
» So, my pretty big board, we had the two things from the last meeting, obviously.
Uh I got the
Dwayne at the last minute because of vacation to get his oath of office done.
But uh I mean, it's all there before you now.
My agenda needed to be published. >> So.
» Uh unless there's any questions on
» There There was a uh a
uh one of the things that we're kind of disappointed that we don't have it on
our action list that I didn't know that was the first thing that was on our
action list for the last 5 years. >> was the uh
» the birds of >> the birds of prey.
» They brought it up as a you know, when are we going to get the birds of prey?
» Mhm. >> And so,
» Any proposal that comes forward, I still got it uh tucked away in back the
» I I I said to them back I I
said that if you had some cash and you wanted to make a donation that we would
put it towards it, but uh nobody came with
But anyway, sorry. >> So, on to my uh report, pretty
straightforward. Uh you've all had a chance to read it, so uh
obviously lots of questions with the Parks Foundation.
The still, which is good. Uh the our street program, they you can see the
construction moments in it working. They're currently 1 day behind. We have
a site meeting tomorrow. Try to get that back on track.
Uh Quite a bit of work with the golf course
public works on that on that proposal. Uh quite a bit of
research on the county land use bylaw and the before what's going up for the
inter-municipal uh development committee. I do have some things to send
out to you as well, Chris. Keep that. Uh
The water break in Birch, uh that happened during all the rest [snorts] of
the stuff that was going on. Uh water was down by uh
11:00. They had it isolated. Uh had it back on by 7:00 that evening. So, uh
fairly limited effect and really only affected Birch Road, Birch Bay
um for the most part.
And again, with Rita being away, you have lots of business licenses and
uh uh tax uh or sorry, uh your compliance certificates.
Putting people to the right place for uh uh for permits, those sort of things. Uh
been working uh
answering questions from community members on data centers. Lots of people
asking lots of questions. Uh I
been very clear that I'm a long ways from being an expert and
perhaps filtering things online might be a good start to
move from there, so. And uh
my formal meetings, obviously Golf Course Executive Paliser meeting was uh
it was excellent. Uh should be able to get together with the
county and and see what kind of happening there is uh
should there uh be
that project start to move forward. Uh had a meeting with Davis in, for
those of you that you remember, I participated in a 3-day infrastructure
uh workshop. And uh the results of that have come out. They're actually starting
to be tested. And uh Mountain View would like to
well, most likely be coming to our next council meeting and should the mayor
approve it to be on the agenda, she'd like well, it's the opportunity to be
one of the first in the province to try it
should you be interested in this one. Uh um
it [snorts] will have to be closed session because there's some proprietary
and uh and uh Sorry.
» [snorts] >> Uh procure procure
procurement Uh
changes that will go along with that, so uh
Uh we're looking forward to getting that project forward. I had a really good
meeting with her and uh and it's looking really promising.
Kind of nice when you do 3 days worth of work and actually see some
results out of it, so. And then obviously been back and forth almost
every day with CEMA on on the street program. Again, because
this our next project relies so heavily on the first part, we're watching this
one very closely to make sure.
And uh that's
the last couple weeks. >> Okay.
Go ahead, Chris. >> Quick question.
» Yeah. >> Uh
electric motorcycles. >> Mhm.
» But is there anything in the bylaw on how we treat those?
» They are in the ones I've got in our bylaw is 50
km/h. >> So you're checking like the e-bikes?
» Yeah. Yeah, we have a bylaw that fits that.
» under the Traffic Act. >> Okay.
» Because all of our our road way is so they're enforceable under the Traffic
Act. We don't have anything in our bylaws so we're not allowed to regulate
anything like that. So, something like that.
» Okay. >> And
I can I can bring it to I'll I'll send I'll send the information.
» Yeah. >> Yeah, they and they and again the folks
that are using them need to be very careful because it's the same thing as
the the same thing as the golf carts driving those around town.
» Yeah, and they they don't make a sound. >> No.
» Like Yeah, and they go just yeah.
» Yeah. >> And I I
I do believe I do believe I haven't haven't seen anything official but I do
believe all of that but all of that small vehicle
stuff is being reviewed because of the e-bikes and all that now because there
are some regular bicycles battery powered by
bicycles that can be difficult to >> Yeah.
» Yeah, so. >> There's one goes by my house every
morning and it's not plated I don't think and at
least he's wearing a helmet and >> Right. Young kid.
» Which is a which is a choice when you're over 18.
» Yeah, he doesn't look that old but >> I I believe that I believe that that's
currently being reviewed but yes, we don't have anything in our bylaws but it
is covered under the Traffic Act and they're not allowed.
» Yeah. >> Yeah.
» Yeah, like the the rich governments really doing a big
review on that. >> Okay.
» Yeah, I figured I I it's and our information is quite
» [clears throat] >> the provincial information is quite old.
I've got a whole file on it. I'll send you out the the overview of what's
covered and what's not. Okay, I'll send it to the councilors tomorrow.
» Thank you. >> Yeah, just there's been lots of lots of
commenting on that. That's That's why several years ago we had it included in
our bylaw. Council had made a motion to allow golf carts to drive around town
and it was against the traffic guy. >> The provincial traffic guy. So, we
actually had to recall >> Had to recall by-law and rewrite it. So,
uh we tried to accommodate it, but you cannot
It's very interesting. You cannot do anything more or less than a provincial.
So, you can in some cases put on more
stipulations, but when they draw that line, your
subjects can't do less. Does that make sense? You know,
» Yeah, like >> Okay.
So, if the province says that [clears throat] the roads
the minimum they can be is 30 km/h, you can't go like 20.
» Yeah. >> Yeah.
» Or if No, sorry. If they say the minimum is 30, you can't put it up to 40.
» Yeah, you can't increase that. >> But you can go down to 20. So, you can't
If they say a golf cart's not allowed on a public roadway, you can't say it's
allowed on our streets. >> Mhm. Mhm.
» So, I'm kind of seeing that. >> That's fair.
» Yeah, it's cuz there's there's lots of stuff
going through and and if you I'm not sure if you get that that email from AM,
but there's always usually a bit in there about what's going on provincially
with some of that, too. Kind of read through that and if there's
something that, you know, tweaks your imagination or question on,
if you do. >> Yeah, if you do have a complaint or
somebody has talked to you about that, bikes and those uh call would be to your
RCMP. >> Okay.
» And the other thing I think that the public
doesn't understand either is that you have the ability cuz 99% of people have
a cell phone >> Yeah.
» to take a picture of their license plate and lay a complaint against that person,
even though you might not know who they are, and but you have to file a report.
» Mhm. >> But it's easier to go on this and go
like this on Facebook, send, and then you're think you're anonymous to a
degree, but you're not. But But again, you know, if you are offended by
somebody speeding or or breaking the what you believe is the rules.
Go get get their license. >> Yeah.
» Go ahead and file a complaint though. You can't just
» Mhm. >> complain.
» complain >> Well, you can complain. I mean, that's
what 99% of people do, but but but again, you know, if you really want to
do something, you know, put put your name behind it and write a
And that's what this one person's doing on that speeding on on
on Elizabeth or Connemara. And you know, they're going to review it, but again,
you know, it's and they talk about it being in a in a
playground zone. Uh we don't have a playground zone.
Like I mean, a school zone I should say. We only have playground zones. We don't
have any school zones in town of Boca. So, you know, uh
you know, some people don't get all their facts right.
You know, what's going on. So >> I have witnessed
radar in the last week. >> And and and again, sometimes that's what
it takes is is a complaint, but that person was willing to put their name to
it instead of just going out there and and
you know, >> So, the answer to the long answer to the
question is anything inside the traffic act got to be our responsibility
within our bylaws. Anything on the public roadways falls under the traffic
act. >> Okay.
» Perfect. >> Okay, anything else for Kim?
If not, somebody wish to move the management or administration.
Judy did. >> I'll back you.
» Thank you. >> Any discussion on Judy's motion?
Hearing none, I'll call question. In favor? Opposed?
It's carried. Okay, we'll move on. Dwayne Hill adjourns us
8:19. Thank you very much, Dwayne.
» You're very welcome.
» [laughter] >> Yeah, all in favor?
» Yeah. >> Opposed? Seeing none, we're adjourned
officially. Adjourned. Thank you very much, everybody.
And again, for the meeting for the county, you know, come with your
thoughts, philosophies, thinking