[0:01] Thank you all for attending. Please
rise, face the flag, and Dr. Rodriguez,
[0:06] would you lead us?
>> Please join me in the pledge of
[0:08] allegiance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic
[0:13] for which it stands, one nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:20] justice for all.
>> Who uh is there anyone here for the
[0:24] invocation?
>> Dr. Freeman could. Yeah, as long as you
[0:29] happen to be here.
>> Would you do it?
[0:32] » Oh, this is great.
>> Yeah, that's right.
[0:34] » I'd say in the name of the Father, Son,
Holy Spirit. Lord God, thank you for the
[0:37] gift of Walton and especially in this
busy upcoming week. Bless our comingings
[0:42] and goings. Let us have minds and hearts
and souls of leaders and always provide
[0:46] for those less fortunate than us.
Continue to bless us in Jesus's name.
[0:51] Amen.
>> Amen.
[0:53] » Oh, don't sit down.
>> Don't sit down. We can You can sit down.
[0:58] Please uh come up in front of
[1:03] you wife. We felt that it was just a
small token, a very small token of our
[1:11] appreciation for your service to our
community. It's just a simple
[1:17] certificate of appreciation.
>> Oh wow.
[1:20] » And this is to honor bestowed upon Dr.
Michael J. Freeman and Dr. Denise A.
[1:25] Freeman in honor of nearly three
decades. We actually put it together. I
[1:30] wanted to say [applause]
I wanted to say 52 years of combin 53
[1:36] years, right?
>> But anyways, almost three decades
[1:39] between uh
>> each um for your skill, kindness, and
[1:44] devotion. You have created a lasting
legacy. Thank you for the countless
[1:49] lives you have touched and comfort you
have provided with deepest gratitude and
[1:53] warmest wishes. for a happy and
fulfilling retirement given this date 10
[1:58] August 2026. So,
>> thank you very much.
[2:01] » Oh, no. [applause] Thank you for your
Thank you for your uh
[2:08] » investment. If that's if that's a small
gesture, then why did I get goosebumps?
[2:12] That's a very special. Thank you.
>> Lovely. Thank you.
[2:17] » Thank you so much.
>> Yes, we appreciate your investment in
[2:19] our community and your continued
investment. You're not going anywhere,
[2:23] right?
>> No, we're not going anywhere.
[2:25] No, we at the end of the week
>> I'll put you some tricks, but we're not
[2:29] leaving anywhere.
>> Yes,
[2:30] » we'll still be neighbors.
>> Thank you so much.
[2:32] » And thank you again for coming in.
>> Absolutely. Thank you. Didn't expect
[2:37] » What's that?
>> Need to include
[2:40] a hug. [laughter]
>> How are you, honey?
[2:42] » Good.
>> The best doctor.
[2:47] » Thanks.
>> How you doing, everybody?
[2:52] » You're going to make some of us cry, you
know. This was a commute. Could I b the
[2:55] easy pass? [laughter]
[3:12] » Okay, moving forward.
Is there anyone here that would like to
[3:17] make uh [clears throat] address this
board with public input?
[3:22] Please do so at this time because once
we get into the meeting after this there
[3:27] will be no um chance to address the
board.
[3:36] » Steve,
>> no we got you Steve. I got you
[3:39] » about the
>> Yeah, got it.
[3:41] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[3:44] » Chris is
now we're going to put him under his I
[3:48] just want to make sure
[3:52] We're going to when when we get to the
uh I see it reports.
[3:58] » Um approval of the minutes from 13th
July 2026. Everybody get a copy?
[4:03] » Yep.
>> Make a motion we approve them as
[4:05] submitted.
>> Second.
[4:06] » We got a motion and a second to approve
the minutes of 13 July 2026. Kevin and
[4:11] I.
>> Yeah.
[4:14] » Any discussion?
>> All in favor?
[4:18] » Any opposed? That's carried.
Uh Jeff
[4:28] Everybody got a
>> any questions? Jeff
[4:32] » Jeff
>> I don't have anything else you
[4:35] » No covered everything.
>> Yeah. Okay. Great.
[4:39] Um okay.
Assessor's report. Any questions on
[4:44] that?
>> Um Penny asked me to bring up um she
[4:50] asked concerns about the uh um
percentage of uh
[4:58] what is it?
>> Equalization.
[5:00] » Equalization rate and the she's been
doing some
[5:06] discussion or preliminary research on it
>> and the number of properties
[5:13] that are selling two and three times
their assessment gives her concern that
[5:19] the state is not going to was at 100%.
Which
[5:24] happened the last time because of sales.
So, um,
[5:29] uh, the company that we
contracted with to do the reval this
[5:37] last time has not been, uh, forthcoming
with the second phase of this. Uh, not
[5:46] answering any emails or anything. So,
Penny's going to do what she can to keep
[5:52] us as high as
we can possibly go, but uh just to give
[5:57] a heads up, she she doesn't have a
warming fuzzy at keeping it at 100%. Um
[6:02] very little we can do about it. Very
little anybody can do about it because
[6:05] of the sales.
>> Well, and if it's really because people
[6:07] are buying past the
[6:12] » value like it shouldn't affect everybody
else. She said, she said there was, I
[6:17] forgot what property it was, but there
was a property somewhere that was the
[6:21] assessed value at 100% was uh 230,000.
It sold for 480 or something like that.
[6:28] Um, so
>> you can't
[6:31] affect everybody else either. You know
what I mean?
[6:34] » But I know, but it's not just one.
There's multiple and that affects.
[6:41] » She can reassess them though, right?
>> No, no, no, you cannot. You cannot uh
[6:46] you cannot reassess based on sale
>> uh what do they call that? Um
[6:51] » welcome.
>> Welcome stranger.
[6:53] » Welcome stranger. Yes.
>> Yes.
[6:56] » So what
>> so company we contracted to
[7:00] » not
>> we didn't pay them anything.
[7:02] » Okay.
>> We we did not pay them anything. We only
[7:04] paid them for the initial one. But they
did submit a proposal for the next four
[7:08] years
>> which we approved. which we we approved
[7:11] » and we're setting money aside and we
>> setting aside.
[7:15] » No, we set we set it at budget time.
>> Okay.
[7:18] » We and it was very it was very very uh a
good
[7:24] » I forgot how much it was but you
remember what it was Rhonda She left.
[7:28] » Yeah. I think I think you're right.
Roughly around 10,000 a year for the
[7:32] next four years
>> to try and keep us at 100%.
[7:34] » Is that a good deal if they're not
>> Well, yeah. So, but so we'll have the
[7:39] money there
somebody else
[7:41] » not even to answer an email. And you
know, frankly, I think they did a a
[7:45] pretty good job in their um
rebound,
[7:50] » but uh the follow through is not
>> I know. Yeah.
[7:58] » Not answering an email.
>> Do we have a contact with them we can
[8:03] call? I don't like having
>> I mean I know sometimes you have to be
[8:06] » we've been
>> I I've tried to contact
[8:10] » um No.
Penny says she's
[8:15] » been trying to contact for six months
now.
[8:18] » Are they still in business?
>> I don't know. I don't know.
[8:23] » I I don't know if there's health issues
or whatever.
[8:27] » But if there are, then somebody should
still say that.
[8:29] » You would think.
>> And you know, we could have grace. It's
[8:32] it's him and just a couple other people
in that whole organization. So, I I
[8:36] don't know. I'll try and find an answer
and bring it back to the board, but it's
[8:41] been a little frustrating. So,
anyways, um any questions with code? We
[8:48] do have a resolution.
Uh, first,
[8:58] » yes, I uh and Jesse's doing a great job.
He's in communication with Josh quite a
[9:05] bit. They have a plan worked out. Every
Friday they meet um for whatever Jess
[9:11] needs and during the week if he actually
needs to call him. But uh I did request
[9:17] what the amount I think I sent this.
Didn't I forward this to you guys? Um
[9:22] » I didn't see it, but
>> every for every hour that Jesse needs
[9:27] uh Josh to help him with stuff. It's I
thought it was a good cost, $31.40. And
[9:34] that's what he's getting from other
municipalities for doing basically the
[9:38] same thing. So
>> like a mentorship.
[9:41] » Well, no, not it's it's more than
>> mentorship because it's got to be under
[9:45] his license.
>> Yes. He has to sign off on everything.
[9:48] Right. Right. Um, Jesse is scheduled to
start August 23rd or
[9:54] » Yeah, he's search up sometime in August
start.
[9:59] » Yeah, something like that. And he'll be
done in October, I think, right? Isn't
[10:02] that October? So, basically what we did
four years ago with Garrett. So,
[10:10] » we need to have there's nothing we can
do.
[10:13] » And very fortunate. Josh is really good.
Um, and again, he does other
[10:17] municipalities, so and he's available.
>> Um, so would someone care to make a
[10:22] motion to uh
>> to what's the word I'm looking for? To
[10:27] contract with Josh Morgan for
uh
[10:33] » professional services
>> professional services in regards to the
[10:38] » code enforcement
>> at 31
[10:40] » at $31.40 an hour.
>> Okay. moved it.
[10:46] » Dr. Rod seconded. Any further
discussion?
[10:50] » All in favor?
>> Any opposed?
[10:53] » That's carried.
>> His hours, he said 12 to 4 Monday
[10:57] through Friday, which I think works out
great.
[10:59] » Yeah.
>> Oh, Jesse's hours are 12.
[11:02] » Yeah, that's what he's been doing.
>> That's great.
[11:04] » And I've told them I've run that by
>> Yeah, he was he was here today with some
[11:09] clients.
>> Yeah, he's doing really great. Yeah,
[11:12] » he's he's he's a sharp guy. We got lucky
there, didn't we?
[11:17] » That's why we brought him on the on the
fire.
[11:20] » Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um
for the first time in a long time, uh
[11:27] dog control Chris.
>> Hey Chris,
[11:30] » come on up and take a seat.
[11:34] » Everybody remembers Chris, right?
[11:39] How are you? Good.
>> So, I have a statement for the board
[11:45] like to read and present to you guys.
So, as most of you all know, I'm still
[11:51] navigating a hurdle with the Walton Town
Court. Any dog control violation tickets
[11:56] written and served are immediately
recused by the judge due to a conflict
[12:00] of interest. This has and continues to
pose a serious delay in court
[12:04] proceedings and hearings in cases that
should be handled and dealt with swiftly
[12:09] moving forward. It continues to be a
major issue as tickets are sent to the
[12:13] county to be reassigned for where and
when they will be heard when the cases
[12:18] are sent to another town court. I try to
keep within the loop for these cases and
[12:23] violations, but have found this to be
extremely difficult. I've had cases go
[12:27] to Masonville, Tomkins, Hancock, and
Franklin for a dangerous dog case. All
[12:32] of which I neither contract with or have
any experience with in their courts.
[12:38] Agricultural market cases can be
time-sensitive, emotional, and involved
[12:42] as it includes animals and owners, of
which I both try to represent. The
[12:47] conflict was that the Walton Town Judge
was our family's tax accountant and felt
[12:52] this was a conflict of interest with us
being his clients and him being the
[12:56] judge. When I became the doctor officer,
our entire our entire family has sought
[13:02] out and obtained a new tax service for
all future tax representation.
[13:07] I'm asking for the board's assistance in
inquiring if at all possible future
[13:12] cases can be heard and held at the
Walton Village Court. This request would
[13:17] greatly improve the process in
enforcement of all local town and
[13:21] village laws as well as aggra cultural
and market cases.
[13:27] So I guess my and understand your
frustration and this isn't obviously
[13:32] new. Um
but if he's no longer
[13:40] if there's no longer a perceived
conflict of interest, can he legally
[13:45] still not hear the dog cases in our
town?
[13:49] » So it's not a matter of is it legal or
illegal? It's an ethical um
[13:55] opinion, okay? And he it's an ethical
concern and it's it's up to him, okay,
[14:01] to recuse himself and he has done so. He
went a step further. He asked uh the
[14:07] OCA, Office of Port Administration, I
believe that was the the correct office
[14:10] that that he reached out to and they
said that he cannot hear cases for four
[14:15] years. Is that what they told us?
>> He told me three.
[14:18] » Three. Okay.
>> Could be four. No,
[14:20] » I think it was three.
>> Four was in my head, but three. Okay.
[14:22] So, for three years. So, Judge Ripa has
told the board that he's going by what
[14:27] he's he's being told from the higher up.
Okay. Um, to answer your question, can
[14:34] we go to the village? We can't choose
what court it goes to. Unfortunately,
[14:38] when there is a recusal, that is the
proper step. It goes to the county. The
[14:42] county then chooses what municipality
hears it.
[14:48] And there is nothing that we can do or
should do because it it's you know can
[14:52] be perceived as you know picking what
port um as to where it goes. Okay. They
[15:00] are supposed to choose um
a municipality that's contiguous to
[15:06] Walton though. So H I mean I guess
Hancock is right. Yeah.
[15:11] » Yeah. So Walton is pretty big.
>> Masonville as well.
[15:14] » Masonville. What about
That's Tomkins,
[15:20] » right? Tom.
>> So, yeah, they're you're in Tomkins.
[15:24] You're in hand.
>> But I don't understand why they're not
[15:26] at least sending them all to the same
court.
[15:28] » I don't think that's how it works
either. Yeah. I think there's like a
[15:32] » like a lottery system.
>> I guess spread it out. Yeah.
[15:38] » One of the questions would be
>> how do we get the information
[15:44] to him? So, can you get me the the names
so that I can call the county and just
[15:50] say, "Where where are these? Where where
are you sending to?"
[15:53] » I've been doing that.
>> That's that's what the problem is. And
[15:57] then they go and if someone doesn't
appear, then there's a continuence and
[16:01] then I don't get those notices from that
specific court.
[16:05] » Yeah, I I get the initial from Judge
Hubard's office. I do get that. I
[16:10] finally got those now. I got that that
communication problem sorted.
[16:15] » Perfect.
>> But
[16:16] » so once it goes back down to a court,
you're not getting the disposition of
[16:21] the case.
>> Correct. And and I can't be in I can't
[16:24] be in Hancock and I can't be in and if I
write 10 license tickets in the week,
[16:30] chances are they might all end up in one
court, but the next week if I write
[16:34] tickets, they might not end up the same
court.
[16:37] » There's no way for me to navigate. And
and if I don't appear to these a lot of
[16:41] these cases, then
>> they're gonna get dismissed.
[16:43] » They're going to get dismissed
>> and then I'm back to square one.
[16:47] » Right. So there's no teeth in our laws
if if
[16:50] » correct.
>> Walton won't hear them and they're
[16:52] dismissed all over the county.
>> I wasn't I just put this together. I
[16:56] wasn't sure. I my contract is with the
town. I haven't working with the village
[17:02] and I haven't heard back yet. I found
some issues within the village too that
[17:06] we're trying to address as far as an
oath and this and that. But I I was
[17:12] I'm we cover the licensing
for the town or for the village. So I
[17:18] was trying to see if I can't we hear the
cases in the village
[17:23] » because the village is within the town.
So why couldn't it go to the village?
[17:26] » Right.
>> How was it the ticket depending on where
[17:30] the person lived? Is that where the
ticket's written? in the town.
[17:34] » Is that a communication the town can
have with the village to hold these
[17:38] specific cases?
>> No, because the the proper avenue for
[17:42] when there is a recusal. So you go to
the proper jurisdiction which is the
[17:45] town when there is a recusal it bounces
up to county.
[17:48] » Yeah.
>> But now if you write a ticket in the
[17:50] village,
does it go to village court or or does
[17:54] it come to town court anyway?
>> It should go to the village.
[17:56] » Well, that I can't write any tickets to
the village. I
[17:59] » because you're Well, that's another
dilemma I showed them. I'm not listed in
[18:04] their as right. Only code enforcement,
police department can write any local
[18:08] law tickets. I showed them that already.
They're they're supposed to address
[18:13] that. But
>> can they do a
[18:16] » Can we petition or not petition, but
just send a letter to
[18:21] either the office of court
administration or uh to judge Hubard and
[18:26] ask him to explain the situation to him
because I would think Chad, if Chad
[18:33] would be willing to hear the cases, it
would be the smart way to do it.
[18:37] » We We can't pick though.
>> But can they
[18:41] » can he?
>> I don't know if they can sign a specific
[18:44] court. I will I don't know. I don't know
if they can or not.
[18:46] » We can't make any
>> recommendations.
[18:49] » Yeah, we can't we can't do that.
>> We can't request
[18:53] » I I can ask I can call. Yeah, I I can
see what Let me find out what their
[18:58] procedure is, how they pick these towns.
explain the hardship that it's causing
[19:03] you and see what we can do. We just
can't appear to be, you know, picking
[19:08] the judge that's going to hear the
>> right. That's not what I was looking
[19:11] for.
>> And I I know that's not we're not, you
[19:13] know, we're not picking a judge. We're
picking a location.
[19:16] » Correct. Just a neutral a neutral
location. Neutral.
[19:21] » Is there any way we can get that
fouryear thing? I mean,
[19:25] » you might be right on three. My memory
>> three years or whatever it is. I mean,
[19:28] that seems a little
>> I think he told me three. That's what he
[19:31] told me. I haven't seen it in writing. I
haven't I haven't,
[19:35] » you know, been,
>> but there's also revenue that the town
[19:38] is losing from
>> Yeah.
[19:41] » Yeah. I think I've seen that before. I
think it was three years. I knew too,
[19:45] but
>> it just seems kind of ridiculous.
[19:48] » It is.
>> Listen, it's within the judge's
[19:51] discretion.
>> Yeah.
[19:52] » Right. Right.
>> But the town is also losing all the dog
[19:55] revenue. We And aside from that, we have
no teeth in our law. So the dogs can do
[20:00] anything in the town of Walton if Chris
can't do anything about it.
[20:03] » Yeah. And if it and for an example, if
certain cases land in certain courts, I
[20:07] have I've been working with Sean Smith a
long time. I have with
[20:12] authority in some courts to make
recommendations to work, you know, and
[20:18] » prosecute.
>> I can prosecute. Yes. When I land in
[20:20] these other towns, it doesn't work that
way. A lot of them don't even know the
[20:24] dog laws or or what how these cases are
going to work.
[20:27] » Why would they? It's Walton. Yeah.
Right. So, it's been difficult to
[20:31] navigate. And even as far as like simple
licenses that I have to push, they could
[20:36] go three months bouncing. They'll stay
within a court and then they'll just get
[20:42] reappearances and then it's it puts
>> Well, and you could do the re forever,
[20:48] » right? Yeah. So, if you give a ticket to
a dog in the town of Walton, you're
[20:55] following town of Walton dog
regulations. Correct.
[20:58] » Correct.
>> Okay. So, if the county assigns that to
[21:05] Hancock,
are you following Hancock
[21:10] regulations
>> or Walton's regulations?
[21:13] » Well, it would be Walton's.
>> Yeah. A majority of the tickets I write
[21:16] would be under eggs and markets. That's
would be state.
[21:19] » So the judge the judge in in Hancock has
to follow Walton's regulations
[21:26] » which state follow the state. Correct.
>> I believe our Walton local law for drug
[21:32] control mirrors what the state has.
>> But a lot of surrounding towns don't
[21:37] have the multitude of cases and know how
to deal with them is the another issue.
[21:42] You know,
>> it's not they just don't have the case.
[21:45] But that's a that's a judge problem
>> because if they are
[21:50] » given the responsibility of addressing a
particular case, it's up to them to come
[21:56] up with the understanding
of the pertinent laws.
[22:02] » Yeah.
>> To it.
[22:05] » Agree.
>> But they go and they appear at they go.
[22:09] They're scheduled in another court.
they go or they don't. They don't go.
[22:15] » Sometimes the evidence isn't there.
>> What he's saying is
[22:17] » by the time I get there, they don't have
all the documents. They don't It's been
[22:21] It's been
>> And there's some emergency to it,
[22:24] especially
>> some of them have been timesensitive.
[22:27] Some dangerous dog cases where they
should be dealt with swiftly.
[22:30] » Sure. Sure.
>> And licenses, I feel the same way. They
[22:33] I feel if I write a license ticket,
>> one appearance is enough. I there
[22:38] shouldn't be two or three appear
reappearances or no shows. I I can't
[22:42] Some of them I can't circle back on on
the simple ones that we could address
[22:46] easily.
>> Right.
[22:49] » And then once the reappearances start, I
don't get notified from the other towns
[22:54] unless I call, you know, unless I
physically call.
[22:57] » Putting a lot more on you to figure out.
>> That's another whole list of these ones
[23:00] to call back and circle back to that. I
don't know if they've reappeared or not.
[23:05] I don't find out right away until that
court sends out a reappearance.
[23:09] » And like you said, if you haven't
appeared, then they
[23:12] But yeah,
>> I I I don't understand. If you are the
[23:16] enforcing agent,
>> yeah,
[23:18] » for the particular law,
>> why would you be contacted by them?
[23:23] » By who?
>> By
[23:24] » by the other town.
>> By the by the court
[23:28] that's being assigned to
>> because like the other court doesn't
[23:33] » the county assigns officer.
>> But if the officer doesn't sign up, they
[23:37] don't contact. should be sending him the
notices of the next appearances.
[23:41] » Exactly.
>> That's what I'm saying.
[23:43] » But you don't but if it's if an officer
doesn't show up for a ticket, the court
[23:47] doesn't send them a thing saying this is
this person's going to attend this next
[23:51] time either. They just put it off to the
next month and they are are supposed to
[23:55] appear. They don't tell the officer
that. The officer can inquire that like
[23:59] Chris has been inquiring, but they don't
get a a notification of that.
[24:03] » No.
>> Yeah. Pat, but they should.
[24:05] » The thing about it is
>> not the law to do. Yeah,
[24:09] » you don't have the court does not have
to tell them that because now it's in
[24:12] their jurisdiction.
>> Okay. So, can you find out what who has
[24:16] the obligation of contacting him?
>> Yeah.
[24:20] » About it.
>> Can we schedule a phone call?
[24:22] » Of course.
>> And we'll just go over the list. You
[24:24] tell me what jurisdiction [cough] has
been assigned to
[24:26] » I had the feeling that
I've closed everything up. I'm But I'm
[24:31] getting ready to
>> to start. Yeah. And it's going to be
[24:36] » a mess. just try to keep me in the loop.
Okay. Um and then if
[24:43] » Yeah, I'll make phone calls. Okay.
>> First and foremost, if they get a phone
[24:47] call saying, "Look, can they all go to
the village court?" Maybe they'll say
[24:50] yes. I mean, it's not looking any
I can
[24:55] » or pick a court, but at least if it's
one court that they pick instead of
[24:59] doing this roundroin thing, at least any
>> I wasn't sure if it was something the
[25:02] village and the town could get an
agreement together, cooperate together.
[25:08] » Yeah, it's
>> I mean, we already do the the town does
[25:12] all dog licensing for the village
already.
[25:14] » Oh, yeah.
>> Right. So,
[25:16] » so it was already intertwined.
>> Correct. So
[25:19] » I wasn't sure if there was something
there that we
[25:23] » But if you write it in the village, it
doesn't go to village court anywhere. It
[25:25] goes to town court is what you're
saying?
[25:27] » Yes.
>> I don't Yeah, I haven't written any
[25:30] tickets within the village. I when I
when I first went to do it, I found in
[25:35] their laws that I couldn't, but I
wasn't.
[25:38] » Under what authority are you writing
licenses for the village?
[25:43] » Well, the village is part of I'm not I'm
writing them for the town. I I
[25:49] the town. I'm contracted by the town
which oversees the licensing for the
[25:54] village.
>> Right.
[25:55] » Under what authority?
>> What do you mean?
[25:58] » Markets and markets.
>> Yeah. Eggs and markets.
[26:01] » Okay. Okay. So, so you have the right to
write those tickets. Therefore, you
[26:09] should be
given
[26:13] the due diligence to to contact you.
doesn't have the right to the flight and
[26:18] I don't know how how did um
Rusty write them.
[26:23] » I don't know if Rusty ever wrote any
tickets to the village.
[26:26] » Well, there were village cases. I know.
>> Yeah. Were they heard at the town
[26:30] though?
>> They were heard at the town.
[26:31] » They were heard at the town level. Yeah.
>> So,
[26:34] » there's no dog control officer listed
under any enforcement for local dog law
[26:40] within the village.
>> There's it's the code enforcer and
[26:44] village PD. when I looked into their
laws.
[26:47] » Yes.
>> So, right now I just do licensing
[26:52] within the village, you know.
>> So, if the is the village PD, let's say
[26:57] for example the I had a little kid and
the neighbor's dog beat my kid and I
[27:04] live in Grisville.
>> Yeah.
[27:06] » I called the wild the
>> You could call me for that.
[27:09] » I could call you for that. would call me
for that because it falls under eggs and
[27:12] markets.
>> Most likely they say that I would call
[27:16] the police.
>> They would call me still
[27:19] » and they would call you.
>> Yeah.
[27:21] » So, so where the village
>> what is the agreement
[27:26] » by which the Walton police has the right
to call you
[27:32] » because he's the dog control officer of
the for the town.
[27:37] » So they refer it to him.
>> I know that. But the issue is where is
[27:41] it written? They got at some time in the
last 20 years somebody wrote an
[27:47] agreement about this.
>> I want to know
[27:51] » or did know because because a market
says the town of Walton
[27:55] » the town is responsible for dog control
and the town the village is part
[28:00] » the taxpayers in the village of Walton
pay tax
[28:03] » to dog control also. So
>> reason. Yes.
[28:06] » Yeah.
>> Okay. But the the the
[28:11] dog control the code or police have to
intervene. It can't be Chris that
[28:17] writes,
>> right? I'm not specifically for v I'm
[28:20] I'm I'm speaking to specific like the
town has its own laws.
[28:24] » Yes.
>> The village has its own laws.
[28:26] » Yes.
>> All right. They're they're two separate
[28:28] things. Now they
>> they don't they don't they don't agree.
[28:32] » Well, they agree. They're somewhat the
same. There's different like
[28:35] » nuances,
>> right? There's different, you know,
[28:38] there's not not a specific leash law in
the town of Delhigh.
[28:42] » Specific leash law. There's an atlarge
law.
[28:45] » So, it shouldn't shouldn't since the
village has no dog enforcing agent.
[28:56] Shouldn't the v the village follow the
the superseding authority which is the
[29:02] laws of for dog management in walton
>> egg markets they f
[29:09] » well which is the ones we follow right
but
[29:15] shouldn't it be
>> well I guess
[29:20] » well they do
>> well eggs and markets
[29:23] puts that responsibility on the town
which is the village is covered under
[29:27] the town for
>> the town is is the the the
[29:31] representative for the state
>> correct
[29:34] » in there okay so having said that
[29:42] okay shouldn't he be
recognized at the village level as well
[29:49] as the town level
>> I don't know I don't have a specific
[29:53] contract with the village
No.
[29:56] » What are you talking about? Getting paid
by them
[29:58] » or you having the responsibility?
>> Say that again.
[30:02] » The authority.
>> Are you talking about getting paid by
[30:04] them
>> or the responsibility?
[30:07] » Well, I have the responsibility to
anything under eggs and markets. I can
[30:12] » Okay.
>> Because I contract with the town.
[30:15] » Right.
>> At large, uh, dangerous dogs.
[30:18] » Right. Right. Right.
>> Um, any article 7 laws. I'm I'm
[30:22] referring to dogs. uh off leashes, dogs
pooping in other people's yards, people
[30:28] not cleaning up. That would be a local
village ordinance that I cannot enforce.
[30:34] » Right.
>> Why?
[30:35] » I'm not named in there.
>> They haven't granted him the authority.
[30:39] It's not You said it's at the code
officer and
[30:41] » and the village PD are the only two that
are named in there
[30:45] » for those specific things.
>> Right. That's a problem.
[30:49] » I
>> I've already addressed that months ago.
[30:52] 360 on walls of the village.
>> Yeah, I've already I've already proposed
[30:57] something to them. I haven't heard back
yet.
[30:59] » So, if they want to hire him as the now
a village,
[31:03] » maybe you need to call the judge, the
the lawyer for the town village
[31:07] » for the village.
>> Yeah. And and push the issue.
[31:10] » What I'm navigating is specifically I do
all the licensing for the village. 90
[31:16] I'm going to say I might stretch it 95%
of the calls
[31:20] » Yeah.
>> come from the village. I I I I I
[31:22] understand that
>> that large dog. What I'm trying to say
[31:26] is that somewhere near we forgot.
Okay.
[31:33] For whatever reason that you should be
a dual agent of village and town and
[31:42] recognize
>> we didn't forget that the village hasn't
[31:45] given him the responsibility. We have
nothing to do with.
[31:49] Did we ask about it? Because I don't
recall the village. I don't think
[31:54] anybody knows.
>> We're not the village.
[31:56] » We're the town,
>> right?
[31:57] » I had I don't recall that conversation
>> really. [clears throat]
[32:00] » Yeah. When I when they Delhi hired me
>> because they were relying on
[32:03] » I showed them that the village they
didn't have the authority within the
[32:06] village.
>> It works out simpler in Delhigh because
[32:10] there's no village court.
>> They abolished the village court. But
[32:13] here we have a town in village court.
>> Yeah. Other towns they don't have that.
[32:17] » If they create
a position and amend their local law to
[32:22] give him the authority for
>> you know
[32:26] » that would only cover the village
>> that would cover the village right but
[32:29] if 95%
would help then it's going to help the
[32:33] village correct
>> not here however
[32:36] » we lose the revenue
>> which we're losing anyway because he's
[32:39] not he's recusing himself for three
years whatever
[32:43] » and stuff but it's not the revenue that
I'm worried about
[32:46] » you're going to check
It's the it's the dangerous dog part
[32:50] that it gets put on.
>> Why would we lose the revenue because
[32:53] technically it's going to be the
jurisdiction of the village
[32:56] » once it goes to another court. That's
who's that's the court that gets the
[32:59] revenue.
>> Oh, okay. All right. Even though right
[33:02] now they can assign it to Hancock.
>> We maintain
[33:05] » it's still our jurisdiction.
>> Sorry. I was saying if he if Delhigh
[33:09] Delhigh [laughter]
if the village if the village of Walton
[33:14] creates a dog control officer position
and amends their local law to grant a
[33:19] dog control officer the authority to
issue tickets for everything under a
[33:23] markets and their local ordinances
when he writes a ticket in the village
[33:29] it's falling under the village
jurisdiction and goes to their court so
[33:32] any fines
>> that would take action
[33:36] That would take a percent of me chasing
them away.
[33:39] » That would take a a great
>> You said 95%, right?
[33:43] » I'm better.
>> They never see you, Chris.
[33:46] » You don't see me? Yeah, that's where I
am. I'm driving around the village.
[33:51] » All right.
>> A majority of my calls are within the
[33:53] village.
>> Okay. I
[33:54] » probably unless it's a dangerous dog,
most of them are in the village because
[33:57] there's nuisance stuff.
>> Yeah, nuisance stuff. Barbecue.
[33:59] » I believe we understand your dilemma.
Yeah,
[34:02] » we we have a
>> process and a way forward to at least
[34:07] » address it.
>> Can't we're not guaranteeing anything,
[34:11] right? Nothing's guaranteed, but I've
already spoke to the village. They're
[34:15] aware of the the missing components of
their dog law. They're they're aware. I
[34:22] because I went there and obtained a copy
of their dog law and they use a copy of
[34:26] other villages dog laws. It's kind of
strict. It's from the state, but I'm not
[34:31] specifically, not me specifically, my
name, I'm talking the dog control
[34:35] officer is not named within that law.
The code enforcer and the village police
[34:40] department is.
>> So that does not grant me even um
[34:45] » any authority to do anything outside of
what I contract with the town for for
[34:50] licenses and stuff.
>> Yeah.
[34:52] » Because that falls under our authority
anyway, right? or
[34:55] » on under on what authority can a cop
from the village of Walton call you to
[35:00] address
>> anything anything dog related um
[35:04] » under what authority
>> and market
[35:07] » eggs and markets and markets law that's
>> okay so therefore
[35:12] so therefore you should be named
as the dog control officer for the
[35:19] village
>> right that's what he's saying that's
[35:21] what he's
>> I've already tried that four months ago.
[35:24] I was there at the meeting.
>> I understand you're trying to,
[35:26] [laughter]
but we need to push for it to happen.
[35:30] » Yeah.
>> Is that what we want to happen?
[35:33] » It's lose all that money,
>> but we're losing it now anyway.
[35:38] » Right.
>> You'll still get all the licensing fees.
[35:40] They'll have to come here to license the
dogs. You know, the way I look at it,
[35:44] » if 95% or whatever the case is is the
village
[35:48] » and the and they take over and the money
goes to them, then they should be
[35:52] » paying for part of that position.
>> Yeah.
[35:55] » I mean, the majority of it.
>> Yeah.
[35:57] » So, I mean, that's some if we're going
to go down that road, if we're going to
[36:00] lose the revenue in all the cases,
>> I don't I don't know what the answer is.
[36:03] It just it was my suggestion. I didn't
know if it was something because of I
[36:07] didn't know how the contract worked
between the town and the village for you
[36:10] guys covering the licensing.
>> You know what I mean?
[36:14] » You guys I have my contract with you. I
do a majority of my work is licensing
[36:19] » and then there's the array of other
things that come about that I can
[36:23] navigate without
>> without any issues. You know what I'm
[36:28] saying? But when it comes to the the
legal part and go into court for people
[36:33] that don't want to license their dogs or
any dangerous dogs at large tickets,
[36:38] those kind of things, I can write under
eggs and markets,
[36:41] » but they come here and then they get
recused and I don't I have it worked
[36:46] out. I know where the where the first
appearance is going to be. But if those
[36:49] if that court doesn't receive the
information,
[36:53] » which happens happens a lot.
>> That happens a lot. I show up and they
[36:55] don't even have the file and then it
gets continued for not I'm not talking a
[37:00] week it gets continued for a month
>> if it's not an ad if it's an ad thing
[37:03] that they're waiting for it's going to
wait a month
[37:05] » right and if the ADA is not there that
month it gets continued again so it's
[37:10] » so it can go
>> undo burden on you
[37:12] » and it can go months
>> and and in my position all I've been
[37:16] doing this 15 years I've always tried to
go to all the cases there's no reason
[37:19] why I can't be there
>> right
[37:21] » you know and because I'm there for the
public. I'm there for the dog owner. I'm
[37:26] there for the dog. Some of there's, you
know, it's not just for the ticket
[37:31] itself, you know,
>> right? You're there to resolve the
[37:33] issue,
>> right?
[37:36] Which is that that's what I think the
public
[37:40] expects.
>> Yeah.
[37:42] » Yeah.
>> So, it's a hurdle and it's just getting
[37:45] the village is got a lot and people are
moving around. It's just a lot. It's a
[37:50] lot.
>> Oh, yeah. So
[37:51] » yeah,
>> luck in that. I'm still wait. I haven't
[37:54] heard back from the village. It's fair
week, so I'm not even planning on
[37:57] hearing anything. I thought I would.
I've been inquiring from certain board
[38:00] members, but nothing yet.
>> Yeah. So I I addressed to the village
[38:07] already what I found in their law, you
know, and then was still navigating the
[38:13] court part of it. It just some months
it's tough. It's tough. you know, I go
[38:18] to appear and then there's nobody there
and then I don't know I don't get a
[38:21] notice of reappearance.
>> So,
[38:26] thank you for putting in the time of
>> Yes. Yeah. You know, I I talked to other
[38:30] supervisors about you and they every
single one of them says you're you're
[38:34] doing great. So, just keep up the good
work and
[38:38] » um you got a lot of support from the
number.
[38:41] » He's very passionate about it and he
>> I'm not throwing a towel in or anything.
[38:44] I'm just looking to try to make it
easier, more, you know,
[38:49] » have to be able to track them.
>> And I did speak I did speak with uh
[38:52] Hubard's office. I've worked with them
for a while and and they they can't
[38:57] guarantee a specific court. It has to
fall the way it falls.
[39:02] » It's just there's time period in there
that is tough.
[39:06] » You know, I might not hear for two or
three weeks where that case is going to
[39:09] land depending on when it leaves here.
you know, I drop tickets off here.
[39:14] » Have we asked why they go on this may go
around?
[39:19] » Uh, that's just part of the recusal
process when some a judge I've had other
[39:24] judges recuse themselves in other other
towns. It happens rarely, but it
[39:29] happens. It might be a neighbor or a
friend. The judge has to recuse himself.
[39:32] Those I'm fine with. You know, I I can I
can handle one or two per year when I'm
[39:38] doing it all the time every week.
>> Yeah. Is that is that for you?
[39:42] » Yeah. It's just it's too much. I The
case in Hancock
[39:46] » do you have here as a general rule?
>> Well, I try to work through most of
[39:51] them. You know, I try to avoid
>> going to court. You know, I try to is
[39:56] for everyone's sake. But on average it
could be
[40:01] I mean what I'm starting now it could be
15 to 20 a month cases you know it could
[40:07] be
>> so the other the other solution for that
[40:10] is to hire another judge in the town of
Walton to hear dog cases.
[40:16] » I I agree that that that seems
ridiculous but doesn't sound any more
[40:19] ridiculous than hiring a security
full disclosure. I I wrote a little note
[40:25] and showed it to Kevin. saying exactly
that
[40:28] » that that's that's the other answer.
That's kind of an extreme position.
[40:32] » Yeah, that's that's stretchy.
>> I mean, I I've I've tried in the
[40:36] beginning. I came in and I tried to and
I got shunned away.
[40:41] » Right now, I don't even know what
tickets are here. When I took over in
[40:44] June, there were allegedly tickets in
there. And I don't even know what's in
[40:48] there now. I don't even know what's
happened to those tickets.
[40:50] » But we've had two judges before. And if
he's going to recuse himself, then maybe
[40:54] we need a second judge for anything that
that might happen with. Not
[40:57] » I don't know.
>> But I mean that's just that's the only
[41:00] other solution I can think of that would
keep it in the way it's written now.
[41:06] » Just can I just want to recap um
the recusal because of the previous
[41:15] relationship
is a personal choice by the judge. Is
[41:19] there a law that says he can't? It's an
ethics thing. It is. Yeah. It's a true
[41:24] thing.
>> It
[41:25] » So there's no law.
>> Yeah. I mean, I think he did it
[41:29] » I don't think he did it intentionally,
>> right? I don't I don't think he did it
[41:33] maliciously, but it is making a
difference.
[41:36] » Yeah. I I think it was
>> it was an option that he had
[41:43] » 15 cases out of his corner.
>> So, thank you. Yeah. Thank you for your
[41:48] uh input and uh
>> thank you for bringing to our attention.
[41:51] » Yes, bringing it to our attention and
we've got
[41:54] » Yeah, Charlie's got some work to do and
>> I'll let you know.
[41:57] » Yeah, I've been inquiring along the way,
too. It just I was hoping for some
[42:03] » I wish we had more teeth, but
>> Yeah. And it makes it harder for me to
[42:07] have teeth in the game enforcing the
laws as well, you know, when they're
[42:11] just bouncing all over the county,
>> right? Mhm.
[42:14] » And people will take a minute that
>> rumor spread quick.
[42:17] » Yeah. Amen. And it's going to be out
there now. They're going to be on the
[42:20] internet forever.
>> Yeah.
[42:23] » They still need to appear. It's not like
they know can't not show up. If it's in
[42:27] Hancock, they still have to go.
>> Yeah. But when they don't then that gets
[42:30] put off for another month and then they
they get three times before they don't
[42:35] something.
>> Any of the ones that I work for, they
[42:37] get two. Okay.
>> And then on the third time I show up
[42:39] with an order to seize is how I do it. I
don't. Two times is enough.
[42:45] » And I You can do it too. You can make it
too. That's
[42:51] » Well, I appreciate your time.
>> Oh, no. Thank you for coming in.
[42:56] » Have a good one.
>> You too.
[42:59] » Okay, we have a letter from the zoning
board of appeals. Steve, thank you for
[43:04] attending. Um, Steve wants to inform the
board that John Litz has resigned from
[43:12] the zoning board of appeals
and he is proposing to
[43:18] he's requesting us to appoint Barbara
Gell to finish out John's term.
[43:24] So, can the resignation and the
appointment be in one resolution or do
[43:29] we have to uh
[43:33] we have to do two accepting John's
resignation?
[43:39] » Let's do two. Anyways,
>> I'll move to accept John's resignation.
[43:43] » Got a movement and a second to accept
>> move John Litz's uh do the opposite
[43:50] » resignation from the zone board of
appeals. Any uh discussion?
[43:54] Thank him for his service.
>> And thank Yeah.
[43:57] » Been on it for a while.
>> You see him? Thank him for the service.
[44:00] » You've been on there for a while.
>> Any further discussion?
[44:03] » 2007, I guess.
19 years.
[44:08] » A long time.
>> Yeah. All in favor?
[44:11] » I.
>> Any opposed? That motion's carried.
[44:15] On the recommendation from Steve Hajj,
uh, like to appoint Barbell to finish
[44:21] out John's term. I have the specific
dates of the term.
[44:26] » I believe
>> yeah, whatever the date is. I don't know
[44:30] what it is. Um,
would someone care to make a motion?
[44:35] » Make a motion.
>> A motion.
[44:37] » And a second to appoint V Gell to finish
out John Litz's term on the zoning board
[44:43] of appeals.
Any further discussion? All in favor?
[44:48] » I.
>> Are there any opposed? Okay, that
[44:50] motion's carried. You can let Barb know.
>> Thank you.
[44:54] » Well, here's some I don't know if we
need to do a resolution, but just to
[44:59] inform the board that the zoning board
of appeal um is going to change their
[45:05] meeting time from 7 to 6:00 p.m. due to
uh members having conflicting meetings.
[45:12] So, I don't think that has to be once a
month.
[45:15] » Yeah. Howest.
[45:19] » Yeah. But you don't it'll meet every
month if you don't have to.
[45:24] » Right.
>> And everybody's good with that
[45:27] » time change for the ZBA.
>> Okay. So, just to recap, uh the zoning
[45:33] boards zoning board of appeals will meet
at 6:00 p.m.
[45:38] » Third Monday
>> instead of 700 p.m. on the third Mondays
[45:42] of the month
>> as needed.
[45:44] » All right. Thank you for coming in.
>> Thank you, Steve.
[46:00] Rhonda.
>> I'm
[46:01] » Rhonda.
[46:06] It's only been what, two years?
>> It's only about two years.
[46:10] » Almost two years.
>> Well, she was sitting over there in
[46:15] » Anyway,
>> except with Lillian. You didn't call
[46:17] her.
>> I'm going to beat you though.
[46:23] » Anyway, your financial uh reports have
been provided and I do have a request of
[46:31] the use of facilities. Um Amy Hodes
would like to use more parks on October
[46:37] 17th from 3 to 8.
>> Um Amy Hodgees.
[46:41] » Oh, cool.
>> And um she want
[46:47] But she wants to set up the night
before, which I said was probably going
[46:51] to be okay. I drove over it with you
guys. She wants to set up the night
[46:54] before and it probably wouldn't be taken
down until that Sunday. So
[46:58] » So it would be like Friday, Saturday,
Sunday.
[47:00] » Yeah, kind of.
>> But we're only charging her for the one
[47:03] day.
>> Yeah, it's kind of what everybody else
[47:05] does,
>> right? That Yeah, that that would be
[47:07] standard, especially for a wedding.
wants to
[47:10] » set up in the morning, get married at
night.
[47:15] » That should be beautiful.
>> I know. I think.
[47:18] » So, I just need a motion.
>> I'm going to move it.
[47:22] » Okay, we got a motion.
>> Second
[47:24] » and a second to allow uh
>> Amy Hodgeges the use of facilities for
[47:30] more park on date specified. Any further
discussion?
[47:34] » All in favor?
>> Any opposed? That motion's carried.
[47:39] » That's it.
>> That's it.
[47:41] » Can I inject something while we're
talking about Mort Park? Apparently, I
[47:44] sent you the thing. There's a bunch of
graffiti on the
[47:49] picnic tables and stuff and I get I know
that there are a couple of people in
[47:53] town that go up there and pick up trash
all the time on their own that they they
[47:57] do that which is great because we don't
know, you know, we're not up there all
[48:00] the time. We don't see it and stuff. So,
I appreciate that. But, um especially if
[48:05] this is going to happen, we probably
should make sure that we
[48:10] Yeah. get rid of the graffiti you've
painted them or whatever. So maybe we
[48:13] just need to put that in the back of our
mind for that so that it's fresh.
[48:19] » Has anybody been up there lately? I
haven't.
[48:21] » I have not been up there lately.
>> I haven't up there a little while.
[48:30] » Is it part of the village?
>> No.
[48:33] » Murphy Hill Road.
Moore Park is on Murphy Hill Road. Okay.
[48:38] » And that's within the township. It's
not.
[48:41] » So, nobody polices it.
>> Sheriff's deputies once in a while.
[48:47] » But and I don't know how many garbages
up there. I don't think there's a whole
[48:51] lot of garbage is up there either
because it wasn't they weren't being
[48:55] used. So, basically, we've done bring it
in, take it out.
[48:59] » That doesn't always happen.
>> Well, obviously somebody's vandalizing
[49:03] » the place. So,
He says, "How is that going to get
[49:08] addressed?"
[49:11] » Well, I mean,
>> I'll talk to Mil and talk to Jeff about
[49:15] because CJ goes up there and mows once
in a while with milk.
[49:19] » Yeah. So, I'll I'll
>> So, yeah. I mean, at least there's an
[49:21] eye on it when they're mowing. I don't
know how much I don't know the plowing
[49:25] situation for the winter.
>> Cameras up there. What's that?
[49:29] » That's all we do. We don't
>> we put cameras
[49:35] Well, there is a house up there, so they
must
[49:37] » It's where the star is.
>> Okay. Yeah,
[49:40] » they can they can get solar solar
cameras
[49:44] » and uh put a couple of them around to
see if we can catch some of this.
[49:48] » You have to continue
that. So,
[49:51] » they're not that expensive.
>> No. No.
[49:55] » And there's electric there because the
star
[49:59] is need
electric. Well, let's uh let's all make
[50:05] it a point to
>> take a ride out.
[50:08] » Take a ride out.
>> Supposed to be a meteor shower here this
[50:11] week.
>> I mean, a good time to go.
[50:13] » If there is enough vandalism
where we're having to
[50:19] spend money to fix it,
>> uh then we should have some type of
[50:26] surveillance on it.
Like I say, I know that there are
[50:30] several good Samaritans that have taken
it upon themselves to go up and clean it
[50:33] up.
>> Um, which is on on their own, which we
[50:37] didn't ask them to do, but I appreciate
that.
[50:40] » Um,
>> and they have done that. And we haven't
[50:43] had a big I mean, we've had as much
vandalism at Vets Plaza as we have more
[50:48] park if not more
>> and stuff, which is right,
[50:52] » right, and stuff. But
>> we should remember that it's ours and
[50:58] Yeah,
>> pay attention, I guess, is all word is
[51:00] all I'm saying.
>> Okay.
[51:08] » Okay. So, that's it.
>> So, should we ask the sheriff to
[51:12] » I will drive through there.
>> I'll call um the sergeant and ask him to
[51:18] swing up there.
>> Yeah. Make it better. It's actually been
[51:21] they've actually been pretty good
because I called them about the swinging
[51:25] around some of the uh
>> uh town roads that we allowed for um
[51:32] ATVs and uh I actually did hear from one
resident says, "Yeah, I saw the sheriff
[51:36] come up here two weeks ago and they were
here last week." And so it does. Yeah,
[51:41] they're
>> pretty.
[51:43] That's what I'm saying is that
>> we should ask them to incorporate it
[51:48] into their rotation.
>> I've had heard more problems about kids
[51:51] on dirt bikes
>> and ebikes.
[51:54] » Oh yeah. Oh, ebikes down the village
>> right down Main Street. I thought this
[51:59] kid get slammed. Oh,
>> and supposedly they were going to do a
[52:04] safety course on that, but I haven't
seen it happen yet. And it's August, so
[52:08] I don't know what happened there.
>> D goes up to more park occasionally,
[52:13] too. I've seen that come down.
>> Okay. I have not noticed that. I assume
[52:17] that's where they're going because
they're coming down
[52:21] Murphy Hills.
>> All right. I received via
[52:26] um
uh internet access uh a request from
[52:34] Brian.
>> What?
[52:38] » Probably an email.
>> Yeah.
[52:40] » No, it wasn't email. It was the uh
website.
[52:44] » website.
>> Oh. contact.
[52:47] » Okay, gotcha.
[laughter]
[52:51] » What is he trying to say?
>> Lord,
[52:56] » but you're so much a lot of abuse
tonight,
[52:59] » but it's so much fun.
>> Keep it up.
[53:03] » Well, we probably will.
>> Oh, yeah. [laughter] Yeah.
[53:08] » Um, from a Brian O'Neal to place a park
bench in the memory of Lorraine O'Neal.
[53:15] Lorine O'Neal was a World War II
veteran, uh, women's
[53:20] » service corps. I can't remember exactly.
Her picture is on one of the banners.
[53:25] So, local hero.
>> Um, I told him I would approach the
[53:30] board because we did have discussion on
>> three, right? So, this would be two.
[53:35] » Well, here here's the caveat to that
though. He does want to make a bench and
[53:39] he wants to put a plaque on it. Um, he
said, you know, Veterans Park I
[53:44] corrected him, but uh or anywhere the
town would uh deem
[53:50] » it would be appropriate. So, I was
talking to who was I talking to? Would
[53:55] it would would a bench at breakies?
>> Me.
[54:02] » Yes, I was talking to Lynn. Uh would is
that something we'd like to do? Um I
[54:06] think there is a lot of use there. I
think if she's a veteran, we should put
[54:10] it in Veterans Park, but that would give
us another avenue if somebody wanted to
[54:13] do a bench. Like I wanted to do a bench
for Woody. That was when we first
[54:16] started this, but I didn't do it because
we decided that we were only going to do
[54:20] three and I thought it should be
veterans.
[54:21] » That's right. That's why I brought So
>> So I mean I think if you're not a
[54:25] veteran like what that would be a good
place to put it in breakies. I think if
[54:30] you are a veteran that we should put it
there. That's my opinion.
[54:33] » All right. So um I will
But we we did we did discuss
[54:39] [clears throat]
this. It's got to be a similar bench to
[54:42] the
>> I was going to say are they is he going
[54:44] to have it built by the same
>> I I he didn't didn't we haven't got that
[54:49] far yet. Um
>> um it was um Steve Craig that built
[54:56] what?
[55:00] Clinger bench. Clinger.
>> Yes.
[55:03] » Yeah. Clinger. Couldn't remember if it
was clear or the other side of the
[55:07] family, but
so I mean then it would
[55:11] » as long as they're conforming so they
look like
[55:15] » uniform not conforming uniform support.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So um
[55:19] » so
does that have to be a resolution or
[55:23] just someone care to make a
>> I'll move. We got a movement
[55:27] » second
>> and a second to allow Brian O'Neal to
[55:31] place a memorial bench in honor of
Lorraine O'Neal at uh Veterans Plaza.
[55:37] Any further discussion?
>> All in favor?
[55:40] » Any opposed? That's carried.
Okay. Um you probably saw in
[55:48] paper recently about the D land swap
that
[55:55] I got an email just after or just before
the last board meeting about the DP
[56:01] is uh there's a there's a movement to in
the county and the watershed to allow
[56:11] parcels to be swapped for different
parcels. And I didn't bring it up to the
[56:16] board last time because it's just it's
way too early. There's really no
[56:23] criteria that's there's no rules
established and it's it's going to take
[56:27] a long time to
>> but Shel propos
[56:32] land parcels didn't you ask Shel and
Shel proposed land parcels and loan
[56:38] » no
>> what do you mean by swapping
[56:41] » so if there's
if the DEC D and again this is way too
[56:48] early there's not enough specifics yet
that's why I didn't bring it up Yeah.
[56:51] » So, I don't have specific answers for
you, but it's it's basically,
[56:57] » you know, if you want if you want this
parcel back
[57:01] » back from what?
>> Instead of
[57:04] » Walt wants it back instead of D owning
it,
[57:06] » right? Give us this parcel or
that parcel and we can do a swap.
[57:13] » So,
>> and basically the per purpose of that is
[57:15] for development, I assume. Uh
I'm assuming again this is it's way too
[57:22] early. I don't have all the answers for
you. Um and there's there's other
[57:27] factors too.
DEEC has um
[57:32] not rights but uh easements on all the
parcels. So it would have to go through
[57:38] that whole process too. So it isn't like
it's going to happen in a year. Who's
[57:43] proposes this? Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[57:45] » D.
>> It was it was part of the negotiations
[57:48] under the um
>> I'm skeptical.
[57:53] » The fourth side agreement um with DP
in anticipation of the uh discussions
[58:02] that are going to start coming about for
the new fad and a water supply permit.
[58:08] So yeah,
>> I hope you are going to be on top of
[58:10] that new fad because I don't trust that.
>> Yeah,
[58:13] » it's
>> that's why it behooves us to be on top
[58:17] of it
>> because I guarantee you there it's not
[58:21] in our best interest.
>> No,
[58:23] » he brought it up.
>> Here here's here's a here's a here's a
[58:26] comment that I heard from
a resident.
[58:31] » Yeah.
if they're willing to swap this parcel
[58:35] for that parcel.
[58:39] » Why did they take this parcel with water
quality as their primary factor?
[58:44] » Yeah.
>> You know what I mean? If this if this
[58:46] was so
>> important
[58:49] » important for water quality, why did
they take it? Of course, it was, you
[58:54] know, it was willing buyer, willing
seller, but it was identified. Um my my
[59:01] take too and this is just an opinion
again it's way too early way too early.
[59:06] If it ever did come about, I would think
that there'd be more restrictions on
[59:10] those parcel. There'd be continued
restrictions on those parcels because
[59:15] » it it all depends what their hidden
motive is. And I would advise
[59:22] that we really search for the motive
because when it comes down, it's going
[59:28] to come down fast and furious, you know.
>> Okay. and and then and and then we're
[59:34] going to be backpedaling.
>> Do we talk to Penny and say
[59:40] what's your
thoughts on where
[59:45] would be strategic for development
in Walton?
[59:50] » Well, I don't know if I don't know if it
would be Penny. Um
[59:53] » she's
that that would be us.
[59:57] » Give us a list of
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't know sitting here
[1:00:00] what parcel that would be. So, she might
say, "Well, this is adjacent to this and
[1:00:06] develop
>> as as it develops. As it develops, we'll
[1:00:08] have that list of parcels
>> and we'll have a map."
[1:00:12] » But who has the list of
>> Well, Penny could come up with the list
[1:00:15] of parcels, but
>> of the currently owned
[1:00:17] » planning board would be able to
decide.
[1:00:21] » Yeah.
>> Right.
[1:00:22] » Yeah.
>> We don't we're not going to know sitting
[1:00:25] here partial. Kevin, I can't answer the
list.
[1:00:31] » It's still in its infancy.
>> Yeah.
[1:00:33] » Yeah. But yeah,
>> put the language.
[1:00:35] » The governor already passed a
moratorium.
[1:00:38] » That's what it sounds like on on
uh what's the name of
[1:00:43] » data centers?
>> Data centers. Okay. And then there's a
[1:00:47] talk about the floating solar panels.
And then there is the talk about solar
[1:00:55] panels in state in city property. Okay.
So I guarantee you
[1:01:03] » that this is linked guarantee it is.
>> Oh there's Yeah. Yeah.
[1:01:07] » City isn't going to do anything without
uh
[1:01:10] » I I know but but what I think is that we
need to
[1:01:14] » by the next meeting we need to have a
map.
[1:01:18] » Yeah.
>> That state that that shows
[1:01:21] all of these possible properties
>> knowing them they already have an eye on
[1:01:25] a parcel that exactly
>> and more than one
[1:01:28] » more than one yeah
>> and have specific purpose for it
[1:01:32] » so the thing is I don't have a problem
to consider is so if they put
[1:01:38] restrictions on their property why can't
we put restrictions on our property if
[1:01:42] there's a swap
>> well here's the problem
[1:01:44] » to eliminate the concern
>> there you go no solar on this if we swap
[1:01:48] can a Right.
>> Can I give us a map that shows
[1:01:54] » and like I have it colored that shows
all the city owned property.
[1:01:57] » Actually, um property might be
>> We should have that. We should be able
[1:02:03] to get
>> a large map propert.
[1:02:06] » Yeah, that should be pretty easy.
>> I can talk to Spencer and say
[1:02:09] » he can, you know,
>> then we'll at least we'll have we'll
[1:02:11] we'll be ahead of the game a little
Right. Right.
[1:02:13] » Well, we'll be aware
[1:02:17] we won't we won't know what the
identified parcels are.
[1:02:20] » Yeah. But the thing is that we can
identify partials that and say, "Hey,
[1:02:23] this is
>> once you look at it, you look at the
[1:02:26] topography,
>> you can you can tell the things that
[1:02:30] they can and they cannot do, right?"
>> Well, and and that's why they're talking
[1:02:33] about swapping.
>> Yeah.
[1:02:36] » But
>> Huh.
[1:02:39] » I'm just trying
>> I guess I don't I don't understand. I
[1:02:42] don't understand the whole situation
because we don't know yet.
[1:02:45] » If there's a parcel that they want,
>> the town doesn't own any part. I mean, a
[1:02:50] limited few, right?
>> So, I'm assuming that property is going
[1:02:52] to be owned by a private land owner.
>> Yeah. But they can't buy anymore, right?
[1:02:57] Not buying any.
>> So, so, so say this is the property the
[1:03:02] city already owns. This is the property
they want that the private land owner
[1:03:06] wants,
>> right?
[1:03:07] » What's how's the city going to acquire
this and do a swap? They going to pay
[1:03:10] this
pay them for this and just let us have
[1:03:14] this back to go on the tax.
>> Kevin, I wish I could answer. It's It's
[1:03:18] way too early,
right?
[1:03:20] » I think it's time that we revisit.
>> Well, it was discussed. Yes. All it was
[1:03:25] was brought up in the same kind of
fashion I brought this up.
[1:03:28] » There's no real detailed discussion. Um,
>> but there are other count other towns
[1:03:34] that have looked at their properties and
identified properties that they might be
[1:03:38] willing to swap. Correct.
>> Yeah. Yeah. like Delhi I think did and I
[1:03:42] think there were like four of them.
>> Yeah. But well guess me I mean we can
[1:03:44] look at a map and say wow we could give
this up but if it's a private land owner
[1:03:48] how the hell we know if he wants to give
up his but like we own the breakies lot
[1:03:52] we could say we'll give that up. You
want to buy that give us back a more
[1:03:56] developable
place because we can't develop the
[1:04:00] breakies lot anyway.
>> Our our our lots. Yeah. Which are fewer.
[1:04:04] » Right. It's going to be few and far
between.
[1:04:05] » Right. Yeah. There's
>> like you said I think it's too early.
[1:04:08] » Yeah. It's way too early.
I will I will find out. I will get a map
[1:04:11] and then I
>> I was reluctant to bring it up because
[1:04:15] » I think we need to relook at the
designation in our parcels.
[1:04:19] » The who?
>> The Ham
[1:04:21] Hamlet. Hamlet.
>> It's interesting that you say that
[1:04:24] because my next comment
>> that I wrote in that I just got a call
[1:04:29] from.
>> Okay, we're done with the land swap
[1:04:32] stuff. Okay,
>> I got a call.
[1:04:34] » Did you hear what she said? said that we
need a a map that has our parcels and
[1:04:38] their parcels so we can see if there's
>> you mean town owned parcels.
[1:04:42] » Yeah.
>> Oh, okay.
[1:04:43] » And the and the
hamlet designation. [clears throat]
[1:04:48] » That's a different subject.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is different,
[1:04:51] » right?
>> It's not by
[1:04:55] » But but yes, you're right. because that
is what is reserved for uh future
[1:05:00] develop.
[1:05:04] » Yeah.
>> Um
[1:05:05] » good point.
>> I got a call and I can't remember her
[1:05:07] name but she is I think she's the
coordinator for the whack easements
[1:05:13] » and she wants to evidently there's a lot
of uh confusion and misunderstanding of
[1:05:20] what wack easements can do or can't do
and she wanted to know if she'd like to
[1:05:27] and uh do a uh
>> presentation
[1:05:30] » an hour brief presentation
>> on what
[1:05:34] » you know what that's that
>> oh I know where it went I I I read right
[1:05:39] between the lines but I say I will bring
it up to the board if that's something
[1:05:42] you guys are interested in we can
schedule a uh
[1:05:47] » um
>> I mean I don't think it hurts us to know
[1:05:49] that
>> if we're going to do it though if it's
[1:05:52] an hour presentation we should have the
presentation
[1:05:56] before
>> before the meeting at 5.
[1:05:59] » Okay.
>> So, we can meet at 6 and you need to
[1:06:02] advertise to the public. You'd like to
find out more.
[1:06:05] » Yeah.
>> We're going to have this presentation
[1:06:07] between five and six. Whatever.
>> Make it a public meeting.
[1:06:11] » Do you want it at the next meeting?
Meeting in September.
[1:06:21] » Publicational meeting.
It's anformational meeting.
[1:06:25] » Okay. And the
>> public hearing is too
[1:06:29] » specific, right? So we can just
>> we don't have to call it that.
[1:06:33] » No, just a meeting
>> because we're not going to really take
[1:06:36] any public input.
[1:06:41] » Yeah.
>> September for Well, let me confirm with
[1:06:43] her. September 14th at five o'clock.
>> All right.
[1:06:49] » And what is it? WACk. the wet watershed
egg council
[1:06:53] » wa
>> who who is it
[1:06:56] » I can't remember her name
[1:07:06] » because I wonder about that too that
that was one of my big concerns with
[1:07:10] that is what they're
trying to get if it was a solar
[1:07:18] that's what
>> well doc has We don't know what the
[1:07:21] motive is,
>> right?
[1:07:23] » Yeah, but we need to be able
>> Maybe they just want to be, you know,
[1:07:27] good partners.
>> Yeah, right.
[1:07:29] » I doubt that.
[1:07:34] » We could. So, yeah. 5:00 on the 14th.
Yes.
[1:07:41] » Pencil it in. Don't
>> That's right.
[1:07:44] » That's just our next meeting, right?
>> Okay. So after two or three months of
[1:07:51] no activity whatsoever,
[1:07:56] Tamara puts on Facebook.
>> Well, that was smart.
[1:08:00] » Thursday the ad for court security.
>> Yeah,
[1:08:05] » I got six six emails or six contacts.
>> We had we al we already had one person
[1:08:12] come in and get the application.
>> So,
[1:08:17] Yeah. Well,
>> so um
[1:08:20] » what is new?
>> What here? The process that I'm telling
[1:08:23] them
>> is
[1:08:27] uh come in and get an application.
>> Next month,
[1:08:31] » we'll get the application and Carly's
going to Carly's going to review the
[1:08:38] » requirements. [laughter]
>> Yeah, Carly's going to review the uh um
[1:08:43] requirements.
>> Where where did we land on armed versus
[1:08:46] is unarmed.
>> We're armed.
[1:08:47] » Armed. Okay.
>> Definitely armed. Yes.
[1:08:48] » But it's a
>> Does the application have
[1:08:52] » civil service thing, isn't it?
>> It's the
[1:08:55] regular application. So, I think it ends
up asking what
[1:09:00] » like what extra licenses or anything
that they have.
[1:09:03] » But isn't it a civil service position so
that they have to take a
[1:09:08] » test
>> or they have to take a something?
[1:09:11] somebody who told me that they were
looking at applying that there was some
[1:09:16] kind of
>> there's a training
[1:09:18] » training or something that they didn't
want to pay for. So that will come back
[1:09:22] to us too. Yeah. But if they meet
certain requirements that they already
[1:09:25] have. Yes.
>> The two people that I retired police
[1:09:29] officer they don't have spoke with
>> are either retired police officers
[1:09:34] » currently trained police officers. So I
don't think
[1:09:39] » Huh. I don't think the uh the
requirements for the training are going
[1:09:45] to be hard to hurdle but there may be
some other she'll check in on the uh
[1:09:51] » I got a read service but there there are
yeah there are exemptions to that and
[1:09:57] being a police officer active or retired
is
[1:10:00] » a background check and all that good
stuff.
[1:10:05] I got to think I'm sure if they're if
they're certified and they they have
[1:10:10] maintained their certification
>> background check.
[1:10:13] » It is up to us to do our due diligence.
That's why I called you today. Make sure
[1:10:19] you have that.
>> Chris Chris told me before the meeting
[1:10:22] that he may know a bunch of
>> Yes. Yep. He said there's I guess
[1:10:28] there's a company that does
>> several of the courts in the
[1:10:32] » county that provide court security. Some
company.
[1:10:36] » Do you know what it's called?
>> Uh he did say I can't remember what it
[1:10:40] said.
>> What was that? What? Remember I laughed?
[1:10:43] » What was that?
>> Oh, what what Chris brought up? Like
[1:10:46] booty security.
>> Yeah, booty security. And I laughed and
[1:10:50] then like he goes, "No, I'm serious. I'm
serious. I've actually seen their
[1:10:54] trucks.
>> Okay.
[1:10:56] » Who's watching your booty when
the back of
[1:11:00] » But he said they do a bunch of cords.
>> Yes.
[1:11:03] » Yeah.
>> Imagine, you know, three three months no
[1:11:08] activity whatsoever because we
advertised in one location and a simple
[1:11:13] Facebook post. Yet that's
>> that's good.
[1:11:17] » Watch our videos.
>> Okay.
[1:11:19] » All right. That's all I have. Um any uh
I've got a couple of things
[1:11:23] » committee committee reports.
>> No, it's not exactly a committee report.
[1:11:28] one uh we've got a terrible problem with
this Japanese notweed
[1:11:33] » and it's
prevalent in every township in the
[1:11:38] county and I think it's something that
the county should address how we're
[1:11:42] going to deal with it because it's
gotten to the point where it's driving
[1:11:47] out and killing all of the native uh
environmental grasses and trees and
[1:11:52] stuff.
You know, you don't see much. We used to
[1:11:56] have a lot of shoeac for example all
over the place and you don't see that
[1:11:59] now because it's been
>> crowded out by
[1:12:01] » it's very invasive.
>> Yes.
[1:12:03] » By the Japanese notweed
>> and it's hard to get rid of
[1:12:07] » well
they've done a very excellent job of it.
[1:12:11] It's probably not legal the way they did
it.
[1:12:14] » No, but my prospect house behind it the
the whole yard was that when we first
[1:12:19] and we chopped and mowed and you know
and we finally got it but it three years
[1:12:24] of continuing mowing to
>> not even not even mowing. You have to
[1:12:28] cover it and yeah
>> you had to chop it sometimes certain
[1:12:32] times of year and yeah
>> but I mean
[1:12:36] it wasn't like you could do it once and
you don't
[1:12:38] » I I can't remember
you spray with
[1:12:43] » No, you can't spray this near the water.
>> Well, I understand that
[1:12:47] » I spray it. They years ago when he when
he
[1:12:53] » flowers
[1:12:57] but anyway.
>> Yeah.
[1:12:59] » All right. I got I got that
>> toxic water.
[1:13:02] » Yeah.
>> Thing that I had the other thing that I
[1:13:05] had.
>> You don't get one.
[1:13:06] » No, I get two tonight.
>> Because you didn't have any
[1:13:10] » one side of the roof to the other
>> because the roads.
[1:13:14] » Hold on. Hold on. Doc
>> L's got the floor. The other thing uh
[1:13:18] that I think we should explore uh a
couple of the towns over in the other
[1:13:23] end of the county uh Roxberry and
Middletown specifically have been
[1:13:29] successful getting block grants
community block grants uh of the uh town
[1:13:37] of Middletown uh Glenn Fartner's just
finishing one up now where they got
[1:13:43] $500,000
and they put the money restoring
[1:13:48] uh or up I don't not restoring exactly
but I guess making them more livable
[1:13:55] farm houses and stuff in the rural area
and it's 100% covered I don't know if I
[1:14:01] don't remember if the town has it has to
put up part of it but doesn't cost
[1:14:06] » go to who's the underwriter or the grant
>> it comes to the town
[1:14:10] » but who's the underwriter
>> it's got to be a state like CBDGB or
[1:14:15] whatever they call
Yeah, it might be.
[1:14:17] » I I'll I'll ask Glenn what process he
took and see if see if there's a window
[1:14:25] » opening period.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:14:28] » Uh he had uh help from Mark
or Mrark, however you say it over there.
[1:14:36] » Mark,
>> it's the uh
[1:14:40] » Arville.
Yeah. Okay. They wrote the grants I
[1:14:45] think for him or helped him with them.
>> Okay.
[1:14:48] » But the idea is to take these uh you
know we have we talk about Mrs. Smith
[1:14:53] who lives in the village here can't
afford her house. Well, you know
[1:14:57] » can't afford a new roof.
>> New roof.
[1:14:58] » Yeah. That stuff.
>> This is
[1:15:01] » exactly the grant to the village is for
the village. If we get a grant for the
[1:15:05] township, we can incorporate both
residences in the town and in the
[1:15:10] village as well.
>> And I was asked a, and this would be a
[1:15:14] good point for something like that. I
was asked about a trailer, two trailers
[1:15:20] that basically have been abandoned,
garbage, food,
[1:15:25] » marin
[1:15:29] Jess is on it.
>> Okay. So, and but how do you get that
[1:15:32] cleaned up kind of thing and stuff like
that? And like when we couldn't even get
[1:15:35] them to mow the lawn, remember by shick
and stuff and because but I don't know
[1:15:40] if anybody's paying their taxes on that.
So you're on that Mark.
[1:15:44] » Mark. Yeah. I had a
>> good
[1:15:50] She uh hit me up the other day. Yes. I
told her we were going through
[1:15:55] transition with codes. She understood.
She understood. She goes, "We may not be
[1:15:59] able to get them to know the law, but we
can get them to clean up the properties,
[1:16:02] » especially if it was abandoned or
whatever." I would think and
[1:16:06] I don't know what we can do, but I would
ask and I forgot until you just were
[1:16:10] saying that.
Well, that that's a good point,
[1:16:15] Carly. If we make contact with a
property owner
[1:16:20] » who has garbage all the time
and we contract with someone to go clean
[1:16:26] it, can we add that bill onto their
taxes?
[1:16:30] » I thought we couldn't go on their
property.
[1:16:32] » You have to um
>> you have to the code officer has to
[1:16:37] serve them tickets,
>> right,
[1:16:39] » first? You have to give them opportunity
to clean it up. Then if they do not do
[1:16:43] it, then I believe it is in our local
law where we can
[1:16:47] » go on clean
>> go on and clean it.
[1:16:49] » We just couldn't mow it.
>> Say it again.
[1:16:51] » We just couldn't mow it because we
talked about that long time ago with
[1:16:55] that other property.
>> The other property we didn't want to
[1:16:59] » we didn't want to spend the money to do
it.
[1:17:04] » Just like um there was a a property
where the house was in disrepair.
[1:17:10] Uh, and and didn't we tear it down and
then we added it to their taxes?
[1:17:15] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:17:16] » The same same concept
>> going up lower third.
[1:17:19] » Yeah.
>> I don't
[1:17:24] I don't remember how it came. So, but
they could afford to do it. They weren't
[1:17:29] responding.
>> I think there was a bar we were afraid
[1:17:30] was going to follow.
>> Yeah. So, yeah, we tore it down and then
[1:17:35] uh put it on their taxes.
>> Okay.
[1:17:38] » All right. Anything else? No, that
covers it for this month.
[1:17:42] » All right. Uh, any committee reports?
[1:17:47] Okay. Uh, approval of abstracts. Anybody
care to make a motion?
[1:17:52] » I'll make a motion.
>> Second.
[1:17:53] » Get a motion and a second to approve the
abstracts. Is any further discussion?
[1:17:58] All in favor?
>> Any opposed?
[1:18:02] » That motion's carried. And we do need to
go in executive session to discuss
[1:18:06] negotiations. Someone
>> I make a move we do today.
[1:18:09] » I'll second it.
>> We got a motion in a second to go into
[1:18:12] executive session for negotiations.
Any further discussion? All in favor?
[1:18:18] » Any opposed?
>> That motion's carried.
[1:18:21] » All right.
>> Thank you, ladies.
[1:18:24] » I don't believe we're going to make any
Wait a minute. Uh Tamara,
[1:18:29] » no action will be taken after night.
Thank you.
[1:18:32] » Thank you, Sue.