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I can
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I'm glad.

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Good evening everyone. Good evening.
Welcome to this board of commissioners

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meeting this August 11th for the town of
Waxaw. Uh let's take a moment, catch our

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breath. Uh we'll go ahead and
start our evening with an invocation. We

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have Joe Lapos who's Joe Leos is going
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evening's activities. Thank you.

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» Let's please bow our heads for the first
invocation since 2019.

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Heavenly Father and Lord of the
universe, we honor and worship you for

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amaz for your amazing love and grace
that has been bestowed upon us.

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» Thank you, Jesus.
>> On behalf of many in Waxaw, we're sorry

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for removing your presence from these
proceedings. Thank you for being patient

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and please accept our repentance and
forgive us. Please honor and bless this

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board and town staff for granting you
permission to be present with us again

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starting today. This is the hard part.
Lord, help us to do as you taught and

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forgive those who trespassed against us
and forge ahead to make this a better

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place to live for all. Thank you,
>> God. We know elected officials swear

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upon the Bible where it says in the
beginning in Genesis that you mandated a

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call to carefully steward all that you
created. Help us all to do so. Remind us

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that at the end of the Bible, it says in
Revelation 11 that you would one day

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return to judge both those who feared
you and those who raged against you. For

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some reason, of all things people do
wrong, it stated that you would destroy

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the destroyers of the earth and land.
You knew long ago that greed would tempt

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all men, especially those in power. So
help us, dear God, to heed the warnings

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to care for all the people and your
land, too. So dear God, on this first

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invocation in seven years, help these
strong leaders to seek your wisdom and

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your will in every decision that they
make. And Lord, give Jim Black a fist

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bump from all of us, too. I pray this in
the powerful name of Jesus. Amen.

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» Amen.
>> Amen.

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Thank you very much, Joe.
Congratulations on being the first

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in some time. All righty. So, we will
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well with a pledge of allegiance. Please
rise.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Thank you one and all.
Are there any adjustments or amendments

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to tonight's agenda?
hearing none. Then can I get a motion to

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approve tonight's agenda?
>> So moved.

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» All in favor?
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» I motion carries.
Next up we have general public comments.

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Uh we had some confusions with the
signup sheets. So we have the public

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comments a little mixed with the data
center comments. So we will focus I will

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call out those that signed up for the
general public comments. Uh to kick us

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off uh first on that list would be again
Mr. Joe Leapos.

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Hopefully you're not all tired of me
yet. So, hey, first I want to thank

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Mayor Murray and all five members of
this board for being people who keep

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your word. Shortly after the first
election two and a half years ago, some

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of us felt the need to challenge the
moment of silence. I first recited Ben

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Franklin's famous speech that resulted
in Congress calling upon God before

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every meeting. Why not ours? We asked.
All three of you on the split board

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attempted to bring it back. But
shockingly, the former members who

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touted their religion and quoted Bible
verses were against it. It is no wonder

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after the rejection of God that
polarization reigned in these halls. It

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is a perfect example of why it is
important. We stood against the

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destruction of land by developers who
adopted a leave no trees behind

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philosophy and how it all gentrified
senior citizens and lower income

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families. Some have argued saying the
purpose of invocation is to promote a

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specific religion or even procilitize.
No, it is to create a purposeful

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reminder of the vows sworn upon a Bible
which holds the highest standard of

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ethics and fairness. Over 7 billion
copies of the Bible have been sold and

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in this digital age, billions read it
online. It is not a minority view to

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include God in all things. Some ask what
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as if they are evil. In the first
chapters of scripture, it says humans

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were put here to steward the beautiful
world God created. Building is not evil.

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It is normal but need but it not need
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that takes no account for wildlife,
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mentioned Revelation 11 in the
invocation. I don't know how that came

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up, but God gave me some things to say
and so I'm going to go with what he told

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me to do. In Revelation 11, it because
it's an important prophetic dialogue

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that lays out how we will be graded for
our mandate. The full text in Revelation

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11 says, "The seventh angel blew his
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heaven, saying, the kingdom of the world
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of his Christ. He shall reign forever
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their thrones before God fell on their
faces and worshiped him. Next, it tells

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of the final grade. The nations raged,
but your wrath came with the time for

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the dead to be judged. First for
rewarding your servants and those who

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fear your name, both small and great,
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destroyers of the earth.
We all have moments of rage for both

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good and bad reasons. Without God's
forgiveness and grace, we're all nothing

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at all. But judgment is not ours. It is
only God's. But why did he pinpoint

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destroyers of the earth? What a sobering
cry to the ultimate consequences of

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humanity's downfall and the importance
of stewardship. Oh, what a mandate this

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board and the town engineers have on
your shoulders. It is a big task, but

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you all have writed our future by
putting God in first place at these

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proceedings to ensure his words and his
guidance are followed. Now, may God and

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his wisdom be with you all. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Joe.

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Next up, we have Father Benjamin
Roberts.

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I do hope those timers don't appear
while I'm preaching.

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I'm Father Benjamin Roberts. I'm a
priest of the Dasis of Charlotte. I was

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for the last 14 years the pastor of Our
Lady of Lords in Monroe and on July 1st

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assumed my new responsibility as the
priest in charge of the Catholic

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community of Waxaw. Uh I have been
appointed to oversee the transition of

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St. Matthew South Campus into its own
parish over the next over the coming

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probably year until we're officially
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Charlotte. And then I'm tasked with
being the founding pastor. So uniting in

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one way the already 3500
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Weddington, Marvin and um Wesley Chapel
along with some people who come over

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from South Carolina. Uh so our intention
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many other things and since we are your
neighbor literally right there I wanted

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to come and introduce myself. Um I am a
I was born in Charlotte. I grew up 20

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minutes from here in Lancaster where my
parents still live. I watched Waxaw grow

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up. I fulfilled a childhood dream on
July 4th. any kid in Lancaster wants to

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uh as a part of their life goal to be
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Waxaw. So I had the great privilege to
do that. Again, I'm very happy to be

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here. I look forward to working with you
uh for us to be a presence of of

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goodness, of hope, and of unity in this
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» Thank you very much.

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Uh let's see here. General, it says data
in. Okay, the rest are data center

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comments. Uh we will go ahead and leave
those for our public hearing. Uh seeing

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no other signups for general public
comments, this concludes our general

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public comments. Um any other commission
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this point?

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» All right, hearing none, I will add
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one thing people don't generally
remember is our pledge of allegiance.

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Our pledge of allegiance states one
nation under God. And the under God

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wasn't there in the original draft of
the pledge of allegiance. It was added

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at an interesting time in our history.
For those [snorts] that aren't aware, it

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was added during the Cold War when
Soviet communist when the communist

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Soviet Union was basically growing and
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And it was one of those things that the
country at that time felt it was

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necessary to add to our pledge to help
distinguish the United States from our

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communist adversaries.
Under communism, i.e. socialism. God

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must be removed from the psyche of man
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searching to fill the void and man will
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individual other than God.
There's a very specific reason our

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Declaration of Independence says endowed
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we have inalienable rights.
Our creator was put there to remind us

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that our rights for liberty and life and
happiness come from God. They don't come

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from an individual. They don't come from
a system. They don't come from a from a

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king. They don't come from an emperor.
They don't come from a ruling party and

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its party members. They come from God.
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this invocation as part of our starting
ceremony. I think it's a good addition

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to remind us all that it is our creator
that gave us life, gives us liberty, and

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gives us our right to pursue happiness.
And that's where those rights come from.

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And we need to remember that they're not
coming from people. They came from God.

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and we get to exercise those here in
this country. So, thank you. Well said.

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All righty.
Next up, we have the consent agenda. Can

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I get a motion to approve tonight's
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» So moved.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> Motion carries. Uh we have one

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particular item within the consent
agenda that we will be reading this

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evening. Our mayor promed will be
reading our honor to the legacy of Mr.

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Jim Black.

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» I'd like to welcome his family tonight.
Whereas the town of Waxon, North

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Carolina pauses to look back and
remember the remarkable life, vibrant

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spirit, and lasting impact of longtime
resident and community icon Jim Black.

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And whereas Jim Black was a constant
welcoming presence at every town

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gathering and celebration, showing an
unmatched dedication to his neighbors

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and a deep love for Waxaw's community.
And whereas with the rise of social

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media, Jim stepped forward generously
using his time and talent to capture the

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smiles of M and milestones shared
history of our citizens. And whereas his

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photographs and posts did more than just
document events. They connected

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neighbors. They preserved memories,
boosted local pride, and built a digital

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scrapbook of our own town's growth.
Whereas Jim was instantly recognizable

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and beloved for his trademark optimism,
warm personality pres and his signature

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thumbs up pose that brought joy and
reassurance to everyone he met. And

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whereas while Jim Black has passed away,
his legacy, cheerful spirit, and love

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for Waxel will live on in the hearts of
our community and the memories he left

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behind. Now there therefore be it
resolved that I, mayor of the town of

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Waxaw, along with the town board of
commissioners, and on behalf of all our

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citizens, do hereby honor the life and
legacy of Jim Black and express our

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deepest gratitude for his years of
service as Waxaw storyteller,

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photographer, and friend. We call upon
all residents to carry forward his

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spirit of positivity and community
pride.

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In witness whereof, I hear I have here
unto set my hand and cause the seal of

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the town of Waxaw to be affixed this
11th day of August, 2026.

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» Thank you very much to the black family.
We mourn your loss. Thank you.

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All righty. Next up, we have
recognitions. Uh we have Miss Dena Parks

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and Recck. We have a couple
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Good evening.
I'm here tonight to recognize Miss

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Robin. Um, Miss Robin started her
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the finance department as the um,
accounting technician. she quickly um

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earned more responsibilities
um and did a great job there but we kind

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of stole her. So in August of 22 she
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department as the administrative
assistant and then again did a great

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role and now is the deputy
administration. Over the last couple

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years, Miss Robin has done a key role in
our department um helping us with many

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grants such as the Great Trail State
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and um and then also helped us with
securing funds for the small trailer as

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well. Um she's been a co-leader on that
one. She's also been at the creation of

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the Friends of Waxaw Parks and Trails
from the beginning to now its nonprofit

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status. So, she's all around helped in
so many different ways in that form.

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Also, Miss Robin helps out with our
financial because that's always a

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challenge with budget. Uh she's helps
with our um year end um also with other

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projects with the downtown project uh
park project, the learning center

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project, the rec pro uh rec farm project
and the PCR um PSPR

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building. So all these things
logistically getting those finances

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together which is totally appreciative.
She handles our accounting um on

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payables um receivables,
the keeping up with the grants also with

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purchasing. She coordinates with special
event rentals which is a challenge at

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sometimes and also does a percentage of
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Also sponsor space. So, if you would
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in the parks or trails, she's um your
person. And scout projects, you'll we

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have presentation for two scouts coming
up in just a few minutes. Again, a

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wonderful um person to help us prolong
our finances and also help us um to move

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that that next spot. her dedication,
organization, professionalism,

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commitment um to ensuring the parks and
wreck continues to serve our community

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to its highest level. I want to say
thank you, Miss Robin, um for serving

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the last five years with the town of
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you go. You want to say anything?
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thank my team, the town staff, my
family. Honestly, like I love Waxaw, so

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I want to give everything I can to it,
but my team is what makes me smile and

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happy every day. So, I really appreciate
them, too. So, thank you very much.

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You have one more, Miss Dina. Oh,
Andrew's doing this one. Gotcha. Mr.

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Andrew, how are you?

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» Thank you for having us. Uh, we're here
today to celebrate a major milestone for

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our department and for our town. Chris
Blanchard is officially making five

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years with the town of Waxaw. Over the
past five years, Chris has been an

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absolute pillar for our team. Watching
his growth has been incredible, stepping

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up to become our park lead and taking on
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responsibilities without missing a beat.
Three years ago, Chris made history by

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becoming the first recipient of the
Sunny Splan Employee of the Year Award.

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That award honors someone who uh who
leads with integrity, exceeds

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expectations, and brings a true attitude
of gratitude to work. Qualities Chris

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continues to model every single day.
Beyond keeping our parks in top shape,

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what really sets Chris apart is how he
connects with people. He currently

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mentors several of our team members,
passing on his knowledge, work ethic,

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and standards every single day. but his
warmth exceeds well beyond our immediate

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crew. Chris is easily one of the most
welcoming people you'll ever meet.

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Whether he's out in the parks or around
town, he's always waving, smiling, and

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saying hello to everyone, even people
he's never met before. He makes our

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entire department approachable and sets
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interaction.
On a personal note, I couldn't ask for a

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better partner in managing this team.
Having Chris by my side to handle the

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day-to-day operations, lead the crew,
and keep everything running smoothly

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makes a world of difference. He leads by
example, earns the respect of everyone

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around him, and truly makes Waxall a
better, friendlier place. Chris, thank

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you for five years of hard work,
leadership, and dedication. We're

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incredibly lucky to have you on the
team, and I'm looking forward to many

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more years of working with you together.
Please join me in giving Chris a round

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of applause.

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Thank you guys.
>> Thank you Chris.

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All righty. Next up, we have Mr. Orion
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» Good evening. I have uh Linda, our
administrative assistant. Let me see

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what she had prepared for me today.
Oh, very good. Um Linda and our

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engineering administrative assistant.
Congratulations um for being with the

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town for five years. Uh Linda is much
more than administrative assistant. Um

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she's the true heartbeat of our
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organized with her friendly spirit and
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Linda, we are lucky to have you on our
team and celebrate with us today.

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» Thank you.

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» Good evening. [clears throat] Tonight
we're here to recognize Sergeant Wall-E.

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Uh he began his career in New York. Um
retired from there, started his second

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career here in Waxaw in 2019. Over the
while the time he's been here, he's got

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a thousand hours of law enforcement
training. And we're recognizing him

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tonight for earning his um North
Carolina law enforcement advance

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certificate.
Wall-E. [clears throat]

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» Yep. That's it. That's yours.
Congratulations.

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we have another one this evening. Um,
Detective Howard, he began his law

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enforcement career in 2012. Um over the
years he's completed a thousand hours

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over a thousand hours of training and
North Carolina has recognized him with

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his law enforcement advanced certificate
also. Cory, thank you for your time

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here. Thank you for your training.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you, Lieutenant. Always good to

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recognize the high standards of the
Waxaw Police Department. Thanks again.

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Uh, next up we have a couple very
special presentations uh this evening or

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recognitions this evening. Uh, Miss
Robin, we have a couple Eagle Scouts in

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the house.

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Hello again. I'll introduce myself again
even though I'm Robin Ver, deputy of

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admin for parks and wreck and I'm here
with Jeremy and Max and Laura. Um they

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um Max has actually done our Eagle Scout
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Pollinator Garden. So I always mess this
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Next one.
Or did I turn it off?

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I always mess this up.
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» Right button. All right. See, I told you
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anyway, so Max was actually a big part
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the Town Creek Park Pollinator Garden,
which actually was an Eagle Scout

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project a couple years ago. Um you'll
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started. So he pretty much started from
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added some compost, did some new plants,
and did a whole new walkway. You'll also

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see that he added a bee habitat. He
added a bench. That bench was actually

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made from wood salvaged from the Serross
cabin that unfortunately burned down at

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our museum of the Waxaw. So that
commemorative plaque is there. You'll

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see that. It's a beautiful bench. You
definitely should go check it out. And

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he actually, you can see his group. They
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garden as well, um, and added the little
library back. So that might actually be

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a future Eagle Scout project soon, too.
So he did a great job. his group did an

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awesome job and we really appreciate all
his hard work. Do you guys want to say

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do you want to say anything? Okay. But
thank you guys so much for all the hard

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» It's great to see a piece of that cabin
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» [applause]

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» Miss Amy, we have another one.
>> Good evening. I'm Amy Merrill, the

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downtown park manager, and I've been
working closely with Ben. Come on up.

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Robin is the Boy Scout uh Eagle Scout
project, but she let me take the reigns

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with this after it was just a little bit
of a process. So, that's why I'm taking

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this on. I've worked with Ben actually.
He did some cleanup at the park for us.

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about three years ago. he um contacted
us and was interested in doing some

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clean up around the park. So, I got to
meet Ma Ben and his mom and he did a

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great job then and we talked about his
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Um there's a QR code up there if you're
interested in learning about the wind

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phone, but we now have one at the
downtown park. I mentioned it to Ben at

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the time of the cleanup of the park and
he ran with it. Three years later, here

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we are. We now have the wind phone in
the downtown park. It's basically a

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place where you can send a message to a
loved one or just talk to anybody who

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will listen and then the wind will carry
your message away.

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Ben and his team did a great job. They
worked great together. Um he was always

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a go-getter and his parents and other
Eagle Scouts were amazing. Here's some

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more pictures.
And actually tonight he put on the final

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touches. Uh we don't have those
pictures, but um I'm proud of Ben and he

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did a great job and congratulations,
Ben.

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I'd like to thank the town of Waxoff for
allowing me to build the windphone in

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their new or downtown park. I'd
especially like to thank the Department

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of Parks and Recreation with Mrs. Amy,
Mrs. Robin and Mr. Jim for helping me to

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see the process through and eventually
complete the project. It wouldn't have

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been possible without them. So, thank
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[applause]

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» [applause]

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» And we have one more recognition this
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» Yes. Uh we just wanted to take a moment
to recognize Michael who has spent the

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past year serving as an intern for the
town of Waxaw. Michael has been a

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tremendous asset to our team, not just
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He has jumped in wherever he is. he was
needed, worked hard, learned a lot, and

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became a valued part of our town family.
It has been a pleasure working with him

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and watching him grow over the past
year. We are incredibly proud of him as

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he takes this next step and heads off to
college. Michael, we are going to miss

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you having you around, but we are
excited to see where life takes you.

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Thank you for everything you have
contributed to the town of Waxaw, and

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please know that we will always consider
you part of the family. Congratulations,

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Michael, and best of luck in college.

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And for those of you who don't know
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which it's probably very few people, I
almost forgot he wasn't an intern. and I

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thought he worked here. He's been here
so long, but uh we wish you the best of

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luck and uh he's doing great things with
his nonprofit, Action for Good. Look it

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up. Um he's really giving back to the
community along with the Eagle St. I

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wanted to thank them as well. It's a
great use of uh contributing to the town

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park and that's really what community
all is all about and when people think

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of Waxaw, that's what they think of. So,
thank you all.

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» I've always been impressed with how
Michael just seemed to pop up

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everywhere. I don't know how many events
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just all around the county. So, he's
been a real fixture. And I I just can't

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imagine how much he's learned. And to
know that he's taken that with him is is

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going to be really cool. So, keep in
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All righty. Uh next up we would like to
kick off our public hearing about the

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imposing of a proposed moratorum on the
construction and development of data

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centers. Can I get a motion to open this
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» So moved.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> This public hearing is now open. I'll

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just kick it off by making one thing as
clear as I could possibly make it. There

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is not and has not been any discussions
of or intentions to build a data center

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within Waxaw or as far as I know on this
side of the county. Um this is something

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we're doing preemptively. uh you're
seeing it in Charlotte at the state

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level and many many other municipalities
have discussed and taken on this topic

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of imposing some kind of restrictions
around data centers and a lot of those

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restrictions have sort of started with a
moratorum. The purpose of this moratorum

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is to give us time to develop the law,
time to write the LDC the way it needs

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to be written to ensure our community is
protected in the future. So this is not

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something that's happening tomorrow. We
don't have a a file filled with

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applications looking for people
desperate to build data centers. That's

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not what has happened. This is us being
proactive and preemptive with our

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activities. So, anything else to add,
Kevin, before we kick this off? All

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righty. So, there's no formal
presentation. Again, this is just a

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moratorum to put a halt on things. So,
we don't really have anything to present

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in terms of what we think the law would
be, what we think the law should look

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like. And a part of this public hearing
is going to be us getting the opinions

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of the people. We're going to listen to
y'all tonight, hear what you have to

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say, and it will be part of our
consideration as we draft and rewrite

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some of the laws within the LDC, our
land development code. So, we're going

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to optimize the code a little bit and
we're going to take to heart some of the

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stuff you have to say. So, we'll get
started by just calling off some of the

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folks that have signed up for our public
comments uh in this public hearing

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regarding data centers. Not sure which
one to start with. I'll start with this

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one.
Go ahead.

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» Yes.
>> Do do the

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do the public comments after the summary
of um what

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» do you have a summary?
>> Yes, we do.

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» Yeah, we do. There is one.
>> Who has the summary?

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» Mr. Kevin, you have the summary.

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» It was just There you go.
>> I think you summarized it pretty well.

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Mayor, there's not a whole lot else to
it. Um, so this is for public hearing

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for ordinance 202614,
data centers and similar land uses. Um,

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this is intended to address large data
center related complexes that are

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rapidly growing in North Carolina. Um,
there are uh they do require large

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amounts of land and there are
significant concerns with their impacts.

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Um, be it noise, heat, light, uh,
lighting, utilities, etc.

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Um the town's current LDC definitions
for server farms are not really up to

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date. They're not really designed um to
locate these and mitigate their

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potential impacts.
The state is looking right now uh at a

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couple different bills, few different
bills to uh to find a good way to

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address these, but we don't know what
the outcome of that's going to be. And

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really Waxaw is just kind of following
along with about 30 other different

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local jurisdictions in the state that is
growing on a monthly basis um that have

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passed either text amendments or local
zoning uh local moratoriums uh to give

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time to do that.
And that kind of shows where we're at.

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These are moratoriums. You can see the
vast majority of them are for a 365day

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moratorium. So that is the most common
type that's done.

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This will not ban data centers. What
this would do would pause approvals of

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new data centers, data processing
facilities, cryptocurrency mining, and

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other similar primary uses on properties
within Waxaw's incorporated town limits

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for 12 months. And as you mentioned,
this will allow staff um and uh the

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board uh to comply with any changes in
state law that arise, to research actual

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impacts of these land uses, to propose
some changes, um and then to provide

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time for public feedback and for the
elected officials for y'all to hear

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proposed changes and decide on the best
course of action to take. Um so if

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adopted tonight following this public
hearing uh the moratorum would be in

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effect until August 10th of next year or
until the adoption of an amended land

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use ordinance to address these uses or
until further action ending or

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continuing the moratorium by the board.
Whichever one of those comes first.

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» Any questions or comments from the board
at this time? Please,

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» mayor, members of the board, and
residents, I want to offer a perspective

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on this issue that begins with some
personal responsibility. Before serving

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on this board, I spent several years as
a citizen volunteer on the Waxaw

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Planning Board. In 2020, we undertook an
extensive review that led to the Waxaw

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Land L land development code as we know
it today.

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At that time, we understood server farms
was a very different than what we are

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discussing the campus-like data centers
that are being built today. I did not

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anticipate how rapidly the industry
would change in 2021 when we reviewed

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it. The scale at which data centers have
amassed are completely different.

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I own that responsible government.
Government isn't about pretending old

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00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:55,200
decisions, anticipate every change that
would follow. It is about recognizing

422
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:59,760
when circumstances have changed
and beginning and being willing to

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respond. Today's large-scale data
centers can bring significant demands on

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00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:09,280
electricity, cooling, and other utility
resources along with real questions

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about infrastructure, noise, land use,
and the compatibility with the

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surrounding developments that we know
and love as Waxaw today.

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00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,800
I also recognize that many of our
residents are concerned. You've seen

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what happens in other communities
and are wondering what that would mean

429
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,320
for Waxaw as we consider this moratorum
today.

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Whether I was still serving on the
planning board, sitting in the audience

431
00:40:33,359 --> 00:40:41,359
as a resident or sitting here as a
commissioner, my recommendation would be

432
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:46,640
the same. Place the temporary moratorum
on this issue. The mortorium is a

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commitment to do the work before we make
a decision with any lasting consequences

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00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:57,599
for this community to clearly understand
the infrastructure utility environmental

435
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:02,800
noise and land use implementations
considered

436
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:07,680
and how it matches with our Waxaw
long-term vision and determining what

437
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:12,240
standards and limitations fit our
community.

438
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:17,200
There are also larger principles at
stake here I want to be direct about

439
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:23,119
because I think it's important for the
people in this room that haven't

440
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:29,359
followed as of lately what has been
taking place with our greater state

441
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:33,520
government because local control
matters. Last year, the state

442
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:38,400
legislator,
our state legislation and

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00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:41,920
representatives passed Senate Bill 382.
Buried inside it was a change that

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00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:49,839
stripped municipalities, including this
very town like Waxaw, of its ability to

445
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:56,319
downzone property without its owner's
consent. In plain terms, if a piece of

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00:41:52,400 --> 00:42:02,560
land is zoned for a use like a data
center, which currently none are at this

447
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:07,040
time, and there are no applications
before us, as the mayor has said, but

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00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,599
our residents deserve clear
understanding to think about what it

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00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:16,000
means
and what implementations would take

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00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,839
place.
I encourage everyone in this room to

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00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:26,480
look up how your own representatives
voted. And that's why I also support the

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00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:30,880
current legislation, House Bill 24, to
restore that authority and downzoning

453
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:35,520
ability with your local municipal
services. I believe we need to keep

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00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:41,119
pushing our state legislators to give
that authority back. This is not being

455
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:45,520
anti-development or disregarding
property owner rights. It's about a

456
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:50,480
balance. It's about making sure that
people who live in the community and the

457
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:56,480
representatives they elect keep real
voices in shaping the community's

458
00:42:53,040 --> 00:43:01,520
future. When circumstances change, good
government should have the humility to

459
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:07,119
acknowledge it, the responsibility to
understand it and the courage to act

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00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:11,680
upon it. That is why this moratorum
is reasonable and gives us the

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00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:15,440
opportunity to do just that work. And
that's why I also encourage each of one

462
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:19,680
of you to go and understand the
implementations that have taken place

463
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:25,440
with our state legislators and how we
have been handcuffed by making actual

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00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,440
decisions that impact us to date. Thank
you.

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00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:39,280
» Thank you, Commissioner Harris. Anyone
else?

466
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:45,680
» Yeah, I just wanted to mention another
bill that passed recently. um HB 162 um

467
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:55,119
it's unfortunately more top- down
governance from our state government. It

468
00:43:50,319 --> 00:44:02,880
handcuffs again local governments from
uh regulating parking spaces for new

469
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:07,280
developments. So now statewide
we can't regulate parking spaces

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00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:15,359
whatsoever on any new projects that come
in. So the market will decide, but

471
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:21,599
potentially inadequate parking could be
supplied and the burden to fall on

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00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:26,760
surrounding streets. So I certainly
support your sentiments there,

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00:44:23,359 --> 00:44:26,760
Commissioner Ferris.

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00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:34,400
» I'm just going to say one last thing and
very quickly because we want to get this

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00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,680
going. There's a lot of people here that
want to talk, but um I would like to say

476
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:44,960
there is hope. So to thank
Representative David Willis and Danarp.

477
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:51,280
They have proposed a bill uh H House
Bill 170 that would bring that back. So

478
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:57,680
uh let's give credit where credit is due
and we thank uh Deanarp and David Willis

479
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:02,480
for that and uh hopefully we get it
done. So call on that. Ask him that ask

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00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:06,079
him that you want that passed. It's it's
there. It's up there, but just got to

481
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:11,680
get it through. So, there is hope out
there.

482
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:15,760
» Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? All
righty. Well, let's go ahead and kick

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00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:21,480
off the public comments portion of this
uh meeting. We'll start with EB withraw.

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00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,119
» Yes.
>> No worries.

485
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,960
» Okay. Uh Ben Levenson.
Levenson.

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00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:45,920
Do I have a time limit? Three minutes.
Honorable members of the board, my name

487
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:50,000
is Benjamin Levenson and I'm speaking on
behalf of Levvenia, a charitable group

488
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:54,319
across the Carolas and the United States
focusing on environmental causes,

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00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:58,800
humanitarian actions, and striving to
protect the people of the areas that we

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00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:03,440
are in. The time of action is now
because when a data center comes, it

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00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:08,640
will already be too late. Today, you
decide what kind of Waxaw you want. On

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00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:13,520
one hand, you can give us a Waxaw where
you can go outside and breathe in the

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00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:17,839
fresh air, lay down on the well-watered
grass, and look up at the stars with

494
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:22,720
your family and friends as wildlife roam
through the trees and forests that tower

495
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:27,359
overhead. On the other, you have a waxaw
filled with smog, where you cough every

496
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,680
time you step outside, where the stars
are no longer visible at night, and

497
00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:36,319
where water shortages run rampant as the
trees are plowed and birds no longer

498
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:41,760
chirp. For one data center, Harvard
School of Health estimates anywhere from

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00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:48,800
53 million to 93 million in health
damages to the local population and 3.4

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00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:55,440
to 6.5 additional premature deaths every
year. Currently, Waxaw has around 20,000

501
00:46:52,800 --> 00:47:01,520
citizens. One data center can take up as
much water as 50,000 citizens. Training

502
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:06,720
a single AI model can emit more than
626,000

503
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:11,680
lbs of carbon dioxide, equivalent to
nearly five times the lifetime emissions

504
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:16,720
of the average American car, which
includes the manufacturer of the car

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00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:22,880
itself. In 2024, the electricity
generation for global data centers

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00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:30,400
produced approximately 182 million tons
of CO2 emissions and was responsible for

507
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:35,599
560 billion lers of water consumption.
In the wise words of act of Cass

508
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:41,280
Chufoon, British youth activist, when
the last tree is cut down, the last fish

509
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:46,480
eaten, and the last stream poisoned, you
will realize that you cannot eat money.

510
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:51,119
I'm not only thinking about the waxaw of
today, but I am thinking about the waxaw

511
00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:56,240
of tomorrow and waxaw in 20 years. If
you want to protect these people, serve

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00:47:54,000 --> 00:48:00,560
these people as you are supposed to as
public servants, then you will pass this

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00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,480
moratorum and you will not allow
companies to destroy what our ancestors

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00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:11,240
have spent the last h 100red years
building. The people say no to data

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00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,240
centers. Thank you.

516
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,760
Next up, Courtney Moneymaker.

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00:48:22,319 --> 00:48:31,680
Okay, good evening everybody. And I'm
really nervous to be here. I I'm here

518
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,559
because I have a three-year-old and
11-year-old and it's important to me

519
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:42,640
that they have clean air to breathe and
clean water to drink. I'm here also as a

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00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:48,800
care provider of adults with
developmental and physical disabilities

521
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:53,599
for the last 15 years. more currently.
Um, now I just work with scheduling care

522
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:59,280
providers and them. I'll bring that up
because I just had to defend my job

523
00:48:55,359 --> 00:49:02,800
against a proposal of an AI bot coming
in and and doing the work for me. So

524
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:08,240
glad my company is sticking strong with
us and was like, "No, we're not going to

525
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:13,119
do that." Thank you, Abound Health. Um,
all right, back to why I'm here. Uh,

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00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:18,800
data centers are no good. I excuse the
poor posters. They're made really fast.

527
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:25,359
But you can see people, clean air, and
water are greater than data centers.

528
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:29,760
Just say no to data centers. We all
remember that

529
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:36,000
uh slogan, just say no. It's all we have
to do. We know that um

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00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:40,960
data centers take up our electricity.
They are going to put a strain on our

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00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:44,640
grid. I don't know about most of you,
um, but me [clears throat] and my

532
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:48,480
husband, we also are business owners
here in town of Waxaw. We have a little

533
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:56,000
vintage store downtown going on almost
five years. Um, but I just want to see

534
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:59,680
the future of Waxaw be greater.
And I'm losing my train of thought.

535
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Sorry, I'm not prepared. But, um, yes,
back to the resources. We know that data

536
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:11,359
centers consume up to two million
gallons of water per day. And um that's

537
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:15,359
too much. And it's because it
evaporates. We're not It's not a return

538
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:21,760
cycle. It's nothing they're reusing.
This is gone. This is gone. And um I

539
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,880
just drove back today from Chimney Rock,
North Carolina. I don't know if any of

540
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:31,440
you have had a chance to go there since
Helen back in 2024. This was my first

541
00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:35,440
time. And to see the devastation and
destruction

542
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:40,240
that water can cause
was eye opening. Um, and I just don't

543
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:46,079
want to see the devastation and
destruction that the lack of water is

544
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:52,000
going to cause. Um, so again, thank you
for your time. Thank you all for your

545
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:59,520
consideration and voting for the band.
Um, I say band 12 months would be great.

546
00:50:55,359 --> 00:51:04,800
I ask of you to push for a band entirely
forever. We [clears throat] never need

547
00:51:01,359 --> 00:51:10,730
data centers. People are greater than
data centers. Thank you so much for your

548
00:51:07,119 --> 00:51:10,730
time and have a good night. [applause]

549
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,880
Thank you, Courtney. Uh Mr. Alan
Previtt,

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00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:30,720
thank you for the opportunity to speak.
I worked with Duke Energy, retired

551
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:34,640
engineer for 45 years. Had the
opportunity to do a lot of the advanced

552
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:40,480
work and stuff that goes on that has
gone on and it was a very good job.

553
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:45,839
That's why I stayed for 45 years.
There are 97 data centers already in

554
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:49,839
North Carolina.
You have to realize that's a lot of data

555
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,680
centers. Now, these are not necessarily
what you would call massive data centers

556
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,920
like some of the ones that's being
proposed. These are corporate data

557
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:02,559
centers more than anything else. Having
to work with Duke, we had our own data

558
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:09,440
center. We had a redundant data center
at Lake Norman up in Meuire and we al

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00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:14,240
saw had a separate another data center
that was remote that was in Houston.

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00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:19,040
When you're running a utility, you have
a franchise to serve and you have to get

561
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:23,920
system back up very quick. So you have
an outage, it's very important that you

562
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:29,040
have the data to do it. Also, I have
children that are physicians and also

563
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:34,559
have done research on various things and
I will say this is that data centers

564
00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:38,640
with a lot of data at the universities
at various corporations, they provide a

565
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:43,440
lot of wealth of information to be able
to do diagnostic techniques that are

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00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:48,240
there. So there's good things with data
centers and there's bad things. You'll

567
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:53,119
see a lot of them on TV and in
advertisements and stuff much more than

568
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:59,440
you're going to see in realistic
everyday business. Now is Waxaw a good

569
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:02,800
fit for a data center? No, I don't think
so.

570
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:08,000
First thing is we're talking about
energy and electricity. I worked in the

571
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:11,520
high voltage section and the thing is is
that you'll notice that most of the big

572
00:53:09,599 --> 00:53:16,240
data centers are along transmission
lines are very close to them. The data

573
00:53:14,319 --> 00:53:22,079
center that's going up above Morris
Chapel Road or right off Morris Chapel

574
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:28,319
Road, they're paying for the distrib the
the system substation to be able to tap

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:34,400
a 230 line. We only have one delivery
off of 230 line. They're basically what

576
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:39,760
we call transmission network. So all the
distribution around here, none of that's

577
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:45,440
going to carry a uh data center of any
size, especially the ones you read

578
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:50,160
about. The ones that are going in
various other places, they are along

579
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:55,920
transmission lines. The one that was in
Matthews, it's along a transmission

580
00:53:52,480 --> 00:54:02,000
facility. What you see is a situation
that those data centers are consuming a

581
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:06,319
trend a tremendous amount of power. And
the thing is is that most people don't

582
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:10,319
realize what those numbers mean. But
just to give you an idea, the data

583
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:16,400
center over at Matthews that was
proposed was 600 megawws. That's half of

584
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:24,319
the output of one of the units at Meuire
or Kataba. That's a lot of power. Okay.

585
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:29,359
the new ones that are being proposed and
there's a energy tariff that Microsoft

586
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:36,720
has proposed to the not only the Duke
but the North Carolina to be able to

587
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:41,200
increase the charge for energy. So that
way there's a lot of proactive stuff

588
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,599
there and lot of companies more than
willing to pay for the infrastructure to

589
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:50,000
be able to supply the energy for these
things. The other problem is lack of

590
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:54,400
water
right now. Everybody that's in here

591
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:59,440
probably gets your water might not know
it from Lancaster County.

592
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:03,839
» Western part of Union County has very
little surface water and very little

593
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,520
water to be able to use for water
distribution systems.

594
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:10,000
» Thank you.
>> It now comes from Lancaster County right

595
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,599
off of Rebound Road right off of Highway
5.

596
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:15,280
» Thank you. We're going to try to get
everybody tonight. And they're currently

597
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,720
under a drought mandate,
>> at least they were earlier in the week

598
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:23,040
or last week,
>> which restricted use of water.

599
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,920
» Not enough of water that's going to be
able to cool these things.

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00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,920
» Yep. We're going to try to hold
everybody to three minutes so we can

601
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,559
give everybody a chance to see.
>> So, thank you for

602
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,839
» those are two big things. You're not
going to be able to supply it because we

603
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:37,559
don't have the infrastructure here to do
it.

604
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,559
» Thank you.

605
00:55:41,848 --> 00:55:48,200
» [applause]
>> Uh, all righty. Next up, we have Sophia

606
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,200
Wang.

607
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,880
» Greetings to Mayor Robert Murray the
third and the council members of the

608
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:06,160
Waxaw Town Hall. My name is Sophia Wong.
I am a high school student and I have

609
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:09,520
lived in the Waxaw area for most of my
life. To me, the case at hand today

610
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:13,599
isn't regarding the potential benefits
of artificial intelligence. While the

611
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:17,280
argument of uh about the place of AI in
our society is a useful one, it is not

612
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,359
relevant to the discussion at hand.
Individuals living in Waxaw can use AI

613
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:25,119
regardless of the presence of a data
center in our town. Instead, today's

614
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:28,240
town hall should spoke focus
specifically on the effects of data

615
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:32,960
centers and the consequences of building
one in the town of Waxaw. You might ask,

616
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:37,760
how might data centers affect me? Well,
let's put it this way. The average Waxaw

617
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:41,599
household pays about $250 per month in
electricity and water bills. And yet,

618
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:46,079
data centers affect all of us through
the devastation they wreck on our power

619
00:56:43,599 --> 00:56:49,839
grids and water supplies. By examining a
report from the US Energy Information

620
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:55,520
Administration, we see that residential
energy prices rose by 11.5%

621
00:56:52,799 --> 00:56:58,960
in 2025 when compared to past years with
the report noting data centers

622
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:02,319
specifically as a major contributor to
this increase. Looking to the future,

623
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,880
researchers predict that they will
skyrocket even further, increasing by up

624
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:13,920
to 40% by 2030. This means that what
could have been a $250 monthly bill in

625
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:18,400
2025 might become a $350 bill in 2030,
if not more, as a direct result of data

626
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:21,680
centers. Another Environmental
Protection Agency estimate finds that a

627
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:26,000
data center could use up to 5 million
gallons of water daily, the equivalent

628
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:29,280
of up to 16,000 American households.
Now, while we might not have the exact

629
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:33,040
equivalent to the increase in bills this
number may signal, we ask you council

630
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:37,599
members to think about the droughts
we've had in the Carolinas. Earlier this

631
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:41,680
year, Union County Water enacted stage 2
water restrictions, requiring residents

632
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:45,599
reduce spray irrigation systems to twice
a week and requested residents reduce

633
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:50,160
and reuse water for daily household
tasks. In fact, data from this spring

634
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:54,880
breaks some records in North Carolinian
history. According to meteorologist Amy

635
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:59,040
Wilmoff, 2026 is the dest year on record
so far for the Raleigh Durham area. But

636
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:03,280
that's not all. Reports from Mansfield,
Georgia site water literally turning

637
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:06,720
brown from data center sediment. Council
members, this moratorium protects

638
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:10,319
residents of the town of Waxaw from
encountering further unnecessary

639
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,599
droughts. It protects us from having to
continue to ration our water. It

640
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:18,480
protects us from future environmental
devastation in our own town. Council

641
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:22,319
members, you may hear arguments during
this hearing claiming that a data center

642
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:26,559
will create new jobs in the Waxaw area.
This argument is entirely untrue. Let me

643
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:29,920
repeat this claim now. While the
construction of a data center might

644
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,440
require some temporary staffing, once
built, this number decreases

645
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,640
dramatically. According to the official
data cent's mapping website, an

646
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:41,359
averagesiz data center employs just
about 15 to 35 people. Simply put, there

647
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:45,920
is no benefit a data center may provide
to the town of Waxaw. As I close my

648
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:49,599
speech, I urge you, the elected
officials of Waxaw, to instate this

649
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:53,520
moratorium on data centers. I am a
student. I care about the issues around

650
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:56,880
me, and it scares me most when forces
beyond my control threaten my

651
00:58:54,799 --> 00:59:00,079
livelihood. I do not want to live in a
world where rationing water becomes the

652
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,680
norm. I do not want to live in a world
where my parents are overwhelmed by

653
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:07,200
utility bills. I do not want to raise my
children in a world where all water is

654
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:10,480
tinted with sediments. I do not want my
friends, family, neighbors, and

655
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:14,240
strangers who live in a world that was
brought upon them against their wills.

656
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:17,359
Council members, you can protect us, our
parents, and those who will come after

657
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,359
us by preventing this ecological
calamity. I thank everyone here for your

658
00:59:19,359 --> 00:59:22,359
time.

659
00:59:27,171 --> 00:59:29,191
[applause]

660
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,520
» Thank you, Sophia. Well stated. Uh, we
have Alinda Bowen.

661
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:48,880
» Hello. I don't have as much detailed
notes as the others, but I thank you

662
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:55,359
that you all do. I just want to bring
out Well, first I want to thank you that

663
00:59:52,240 --> 01:00:02,240
you're taking advanced work to keep a
data center from here. Want to remind

664
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:09,040
everybody we love little Waxaw, the
clean air, the quiet,

665
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:15,359
the adequate water. But may I remind
you, we've been in a drought now for

666
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:23,280
years. As a utility customer, my water
bill keeps going up and up and up. Data

667
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:27,280
centers take massive amounts of water.
But I think something that's been only

668
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:32,960
me, it has been mentioned, but not quite
as often is the noise.

669
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:41,040
in these other small communities where
they've moved in. They say it's

670
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:45,599
destroyed the community, the noise. Now,
I don't want to live in Charlotte

671
01:00:42,559 --> 01:00:50,240
because it's a noisy city. I live in
Wagshaw, as someone mentioned. I can

672
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:55,920
hear the birds and, you know, it's it's
pleasant, but the noise level, I don't

673
01:00:53,920 --> 01:01:01,440
know how far out it goes from the data
center, but everything I hear is it's

674
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:07,760
pretty bad. So, thank you for taking
advance work and for doing the diligence

675
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:13,720
that we'll need to keep these sorts of
things from our little community. Thank

676
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:13,720
you each.

677
01:01:15,247 --> 01:01:17,267
[applause]

678
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:22,359
Thank you, Linda. Next up, James Withro.

679
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:31,359
» Hi, everyone. My name is James Wro. I'm
here representing my parents Bruce and

680
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:35,920
Libby Wiro. I'm a cyber security expert.
Yes, I said expert for the past four

681
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:40,960
years. I have audited data centers,
Google, Oracle, Amazon, you name it.

682
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:45,839
Insight global. And there are two things
that we really need to focus on. I do

683
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:50,400
agree with a moratorum. I would propose
an entire ban and that's because there

684
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:54,960
are two types of data centers uh closed
loop and open loop. Our friend here was

685
01:01:52,880 --> 01:02:00,000
referring to closed loop. What that is
is on premises data centers that do not

686
01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:06,000
use the resources of a public community.
Open open loop is what takes away from

687
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:12,480
our community resources and with no no
financial restitution or uh really any

688
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:16,559
opposition when it comes down to it. It
bleeds the community dry and then to

689
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:20,720
simply file bankruptcy and leave with
destruction in the wake. And that's

690
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:26,640
really part of the problem here. the and
we've gone from a society of uh people

691
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:31,599
over profit to profit over people. And I
encourage a complete ban. I know that's

692
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:35,200
probably not realistic. Um but a lot of
people here with the the data and and

693
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:39,760
the statistics, they've really taken uh
taken the the wind out of my sales

694
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:43,920
without with my complete argument, but I
would encourage the community to um

695
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:48,799
preserve the historical nature of this
community. Uh and by having a data

696
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:53,280
center in in the area, it's not going to
do that. You know, um it'll destroy the

697
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:58,079
community, it would completely um
deplete the natural resources and uh the

698
01:02:55,920 --> 01:03:01,359
the water seepage is also a big issue.
My parents live on a farm pond. The

699
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:04,960
water table will have, you know,
materials in it that have never been

700
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:10,240
seen before. And in addition to that,
they're talking about new bacteria from

701
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:13,839
uh open openloop um data centers that
have not been seen before that are

702
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:19,440
affecting communities uh far and wide.
So, uh, you know, the problem that I see

703
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:23,760
in the whole profit over people is that
these corporations that come in, uh,

704
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:28,559
they have the moral backbone of a
jellyfish. Um, so they do not care. They

705
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:33,280
may come in and say that they want to
propose a closed loop system. That is

706
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:36,079
not true. All of these Fortune 500
companies that I've gone and audited and

707
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:39,440
assessed for their cyber security
programs, they have on premises data

708
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:43,760
centers because they don't deplete the
natural resources around them. They are

709
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:47,520
closed loop. when you have open loop and
it's colllocated in not an area around

710
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:51,520
their headquarter, they do not care
about the land around it. They do not

711
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:56,880
care about the people around it as we
have seen a lot of people uh bring those

712
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:02,319
statistics to the to the floor. Um so
all I all I'm here to encourage is you

713
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:06,160
know a moratorum if not a complete ban
uh preserving the you know preserving

714
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:11,119
the uh historical nature of this
community and in addition um let's let's

715
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:14,960
swing the pendulum back to people over
profit. I mean

716
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:20,359
why can't we get back to that? That's
why we're in this situation in the first

717
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,359
place. Thank you.

718
01:04:21,924 --> 01:04:23,944
» [applause]

719
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:29,880
» Thank you, James. Miss Carol Bulam.

720
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:36,960
» Good evening. I just want to preface
this by saying the following points

721
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:41,119
touched upon are based on research
pulled from scholarly studies and

722
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:45,680
government and public data sources. No
AI was utilized. One of my primary

723
01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:49,599
concerns involves the carrying out of
proper sound studies. Will these

724
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:54,240
developers conduct a low frequency and
infrasound assessment, not just a

725
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:57,760
standard A-weighted decibel reading? We
don't want just the standard decibel

726
01:04:55,599 --> 01:05:01,200
study that developers usually submit.
Regular sound meters aren't built to

727
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,680
capture infrasound, the frequencies
below 20 hertz, which are below the

728
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:10,240
normal limit of human hearing. I want to
stress that high intensity and prolonged

729
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:15,760
exposure to these low frequencies can
cause increased cortisol levels,

730
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:20,559
vertigo, nausea, ear pain, hypertension,
and insomnia among other things.

731
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:24,720
Infrasound exposure influences multiple
physiological systems including

732
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:28,400
cardiovascular, vestibular, and neural
pathways. And when we have neighbors

733
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,160
with chronic pain, inflammation, and
autoimmune diseases, this becomes a

734
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:35,520
public health concern. I also worry
about the health of our community's

735
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:39,039
children and how prolonged exposure to
this and the cent's pollutants would

736
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:42,960
affect their development. Another point
for us to look into is what setback

737
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:47,680
distance from residential property would
proposals require. Would they be based

738
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:51,520
on any acoustic modeling? Additionally,
although studies on this are still in

739
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:55,200
their infancy, data centers are being
found to raise the temperature in

740
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:59,039
surrounding areas by a few degrees. Data
centers reject massive amounts of heat

741
01:05:57,039 --> 01:06:03,680
associated with the energy they consume.
A single relatively modest 36 megawatt

742
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:08,960
data center rejects heat equivalent to
the electricity consumption of roughly

743
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:12,559
40,000 homes. Heat pollution from data
centers can boost air temperatures in

744
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:16,720
downwind neighborhoods by as much as 4
degrees Fahrenheit. We can't deny that

745
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:20,240
there's an environmental impact here. As
we have been experiencing longer heat

746
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:23,920
and dry spells if we allow these centers
to infiltrate our areas, expect the

747
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:28,480
possibility of even hotter summers and
higher Duke energy bills. And a side

748
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:32,720
note, most jobs created around data
centers are rooted in the construction

749
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:36,960
of them, not their ongoing operations.
So, no, the creation of these facilities

750
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:41,280
will not create any long-term local job
booms. I strongly oppose the addition of

751
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:45,599
these data centers in our community. The
negative environmental impacts far

752
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:50,119
outweigh any slight positives, if any,
such facilities would bring. Thank you.

753
01:06:51,266 --> 01:06:53,286
» [applause]

754
01:06:55,039 --> 01:07:03,400
» Thank you, Carolyn. Uh, next up, I think
this is Silip Wright.

755
01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:14,039
Anyone? Mr. Miss Wright.
>> Mr. Wright.

756
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,039
» Yes. Right. Sorry.

757
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:22,480
» I was going to politely back out
tonight. Three or four of my major

758
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:26,880
concerns have already been addressed.
That's fine. Some of you might recognize

759
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:32,319
me, some of you may not. Most of you
probably don't. I used to work with town

760
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:37,680
of Waxaw quite a bit. Um, we still have
a lot of projects that have never been

761
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:43,599
finished. We don't need anymore. Uh, or
we're going to save the town we have

762
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:47,760
while we can. So, uh,
data, no.

763
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:54,599
getting wax all finished, keeping the
town going. Yes. Thank you very much.

764
01:07:51,359 --> 01:07:54,599
» Thank you.

765
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:01,960
» Lastly, we have Patricia Jones.

766
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:14,559
» Everybody said most of um the same
thoughts that I've had. copious amounts

767
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:18,080
of water, copious amounts of power, and
they usually want some type of

768
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:23,440
subsidies,
electrical bill hikes. Taxpayers pay for

769
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:29,040
that. So, it's basically corporate
welfare is what it is. So, anyone

770
01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:35,520
opposed to data centers, I would suggest
you divest yourself from the people

771
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:41,279
behind this. That's Microsoft.
That's Facebook. That's this small group

772
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:45,892
that's pushing
AI powered economy. And that's all I

773
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,912
have to say.
[applause]

774
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:55,920
Thank you very much. I appreciate the
voice of the public and all of this is

775
01:08:54,799 --> 01:08:59,520
definitely something we will be
considering as we move forward in the

776
01:08:57,279 --> 01:09:06,319
next year. Um figuring out what to put
in our LDC regarding data centers. Um,

777
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:12,120
as far as looking for an allout ban,
that's what we will be looking at as

778
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,120
well. I I guarantee you that.

779
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:23,759
» Madam Prom, what do you have?
>> I I was just going to say I know a lot

780
01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:30,880
of you mentioned a ban and um that would
mean removing it from our LDC and right

781
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:37,520
now the state is not allowing us to do
that. But like I said, HB1 170 and HB24

782
01:09:35,679 --> 01:09:42,480
would reverse that at least for Union
County. And we do have representatives

783
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:46,719
trying to push that through. So if
that's what you want, it's we have to

784
01:09:44,719 --> 01:09:52,799
leave it up to you. We can't we we're
working with them. They're listening.

785
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:59,199
So you need to help us out there. If
that's what you truly want, that's the

786
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:06,960
only thing we can ask you to do.
Uh 170, HB 170. I just wrote them down.

787
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:11,679
I'm sorry. Um HP 170 and HB24.
>> Can you guys make a social media post?

788
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,440
» Yeah, I'll post about it. Yeah,
>> that sounds good.

789
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,719
» Mayor.
>> All righty. Any other comments?

790
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:22,600
» Mayor, there is one comment that came in
late. She would like to make it.

791
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:22,600
» Sure.

792
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:29,520
I was going to pass too because
everybody's addressed it, but I first

793
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:34,640
want to just thank you all so much for
taking the step forward to consider um

794
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:38,640
the potential of a ban and at least
putting in place a moratorum. Like

795
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:43,440
everyone else has said here, as a
resident of Waxaw,

796
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:49,440
I don't think it's hyperbole to say I'm
terrified of what it may do to our

797
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:55,040
environment here, our quality of life of
our neighbors. um whether it's in my

798
01:10:51,920 --> 01:11:00,640
backyard or across town,
the health impacts that we're starting

799
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:04,640
to see in other communities and of
course the water. Union County has had

800
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:10,719
historically for a very long time with
growth a difficulty with enough water,

801
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:14,800
right? We've been in bands forever. So,
thank you so much for considering it and

802
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:17,120
I am one of the voices of I hope you can
find a way to complete the

803
01:11:15,889 --> 01:11:20,120
[clears throat] ban. Thank you,
>> ma'am.

804
01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:29,360
Hi, I just want to say one thing. Um, I
asked back there if I could like also

805
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:31,840
say something. Um, so and they said you
would ask if there are any other

806
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:33,280
speakers, but no one asked that yet. So,
I thought I'd just come up here. Can I

807
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,760
No,
>> that's fine.

808
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:41,520
» Can I say something? Okay. So, this is
again like related to the the moratorum.

809
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:45,840
Um, I just wanted to voice what I
thought about this. So,

810
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:49,520
» excuse me, ma'am. Would you state your
name for the record, please, so we can

811
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:55,840
get it on record? Yes. Thanks.
>> I'm Edva Ayah. I'm a student here in at

812
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:02,320
Marvin Ridge High School in Waxaw, North
Carolina. And I'm speaking on the

813
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:07,040
moratorium because in the 16 17 years
I've lived in Waxaw, I've like ever

814
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:11,280
since I was younger, I've seen this town
change. Um

815
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:14,320
my father's actually a real estate
agent, so he's been to a few of these.

816
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:19,040
I've been to a few of these and I've
always like liked seeing how um the

817
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:22,960
board works and how people represent
their opinions. So, I thought when I saw

818
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,040
this come up that I had to speak on it.
Um with the rise of data centers, I

819
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:30,560
think this is an important topic. So, I
wanted to say that Waxaw is a

820
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:35,199
historically nuanced city. The roots of
our values of keeping from dramatic

821
01:12:32,719 --> 01:12:38,400
change is deeply engraved in our
community. Waxaw is known for our

822
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:41,600
sprawling neighborhoods, our growing
number of businesses, and our focusing

823
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,560
on cultivating the spirit of a small
town.

824
01:12:42,350 --> 01:12:46,800
» [snorts]
>> Um, for this I believe no height limit

825
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:50,800
on buildings or distance from
residential property will capture

826
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:54,640
Waxaw's need for distance from the
rising number of data centers. However,

827
01:12:52,880 --> 01:13:01,280
in the 800 data centers constructed in
the last year, over 60% were constructed

828
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:05,679
in smaller towns. Even as a town um even
as a town passing this moratorum, we

829
01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:10,080
cannot escape from the growing number of
data centers.

830
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:14,400
will likely face data centers being
constructed in nearby towns or nearby

831
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:19,440
cities. Charlotte recently passed a
moratorum at the at the beginning of the

832
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:25,600
summer and as it approaches its end they
have instructed a about 15 member

833
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:29,600
council to advise on decision-m for
after the mortar's over and I really

834
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:34,159
hope that Waxo seeks to do the same. I
believe that even if we keep data

835
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:38,719
centers from our homes from our
businesses there will be data centers

836
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:46,080
surrounding us. So for the people for
the businesses in here we try to make we

837
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:51,760
try to place these limits on here so
even if it's around us we close to us we

838
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:57,040
do not see the effects as much. So thank
you. Um I'm glad that this moratorum is

839
01:13:55,199 --> 01:14:00,560
brought up. I'm glad to hear that there
are people speaking on it. Thank you.

840
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,440
Thank you.

841
01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:10,800
All righty. Uh, anything else from the
board at this time?

842
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:15,760
» Please.
>> Yeah, like the earlier speaker, I've

843
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:20,719
worked in IT for many years and one
thing that has been consistent is that

844
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:26,080
uh, computers keep getting smaller and
smaller. And so I think these large

845
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:31,760
footprint data centers are going to be
obsolete one day. and we're going to be

846
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:40,239
left with a bunch of junk uh and a bunch
of uh unusable land perhaps.

847
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:45,280
And I think part of the support that
people some people have for these data

848
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:51,120
centers is the awe that they have for
what AI can do. But

849
01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:55,760
compute power is just a tool and that
should always be subordinate to human

850
01:14:53,360 --> 01:15:04,520
welfare and it needs to proceed in a way
that is in balance with human welfare.

851
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:04,520
So thank you everybody who spoke up

852
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:17,199
Mr. Mayor please. Um simply put this is
your town. It's also your home and I

853
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:21,120
really appreciate seeing everybody
coming out here and using the process to

854
01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:24,847
let your voice be heard. So, thank you
very much. [applause]

855
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:32,640
All righty.
Everybody's looking at me to speak. I

856
01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,880
haven't spoken to
>> No, you don't have to if you don't want

857
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:41,520
to.
I I want to echo the sentiments of uh

858
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:47,600
Commissioner Don Dio that having
everyone show up for occasions like

859
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:51,040
this. Uh I wish we could get together on
more auspicious occasions, but for

860
01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:57,360
something like this, it's really
important that y'all show up and have

861
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:03,440
your voices heard. It's not cliche. Uh
the just exactly what Dh Commissioner

862
01:16:00,480 --> 01:16:10,159
Dulio said. It's uh really great to hear
everybody um use the process, speak

863
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:17,120
their mind. Uh all of that is well said.
Everybody was very articulate and very

864
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:21,760
uh well-versed in data center
um

865
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:29,040
what what the pros and cons are and
mostly the cons. Um,

866
01:16:25,199 --> 01:16:39,679
we we take all your comments to heart
and um I I think that if we do this with

867
01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:46,080
a lot of thought and some help from
uh the general general assembly,

868
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:52,800
we'll be able to protect what we have in
Waxaw, what we all uh cherish. So, um,

869
01:16:50,239 --> 01:16:58,880
thanks again for coming out and and
really, uh, admire everybody's ability

870
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:01,880
to speak articulate on the subject
matter.

871
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:11,520
» Well, thank you, commissioners. I
appreciate the words uh to the people

872
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:17,679
and to each other. Uh, it's good
collaboration. It's good input. Um,

873
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:23,520
one thing I'll add, I I hit a I I
stumbled on a factoid several years ago

874
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:27,040
and as it relates to data centers, one
of the things that we all need to be

875
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:31,199
mindful of is our own behavior and how
they may or may not be contributing to

876
01:17:28,480 --> 01:17:36,159
data centers. Uh, the factoid I picked
up several years ago was that global

877
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:40,400
cloud services,
oh, my music's on the cloud, my

878
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:46,159
picture's on the cloud.
global cloud services consume as much

879
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:52,960
electricity as the nation of Japan.
So just having these things

880
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:57,360
in our pockets at ready demand, it
creates the demand for this type of

881
01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:01,920
stuff. So think about how your behavior,
your consumer choices impact some of

882
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:10,800
this stuff because it it does have an
impact. I'll just throw that out there.

883
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:15,280
Um anyway um go ahead.
Thank you. So without further ado, can I

884
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,360
get a motion to close this public
hearing?

885
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,120
» So moved.
>> All in favor?

886
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:22,400
» I
>> I this public hearing is now closed.

887
01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:28,080
Thank you again for all your input.
Invaluable. Thank you.

888
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:32,080
All righty.
Next up, we will go ahead and make a

889
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:37,760
decision regarding the adoption of
ordinance 202614

890
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:41,360
imposing a proposed moratorium for data
centers. Did we need to speak on this

891
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:46,000
from Kevin or are we ready to vote on
this? You're good.

892
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:52,560
» You're good to go ahead. And
>> the one question I had was uh since

893
01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:57,199
we're doing the vote on the same night
as the public hearing, do we need to

894
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,840
have any kind of action to suspend our
rules?

895
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:04,159
» That was done in the work session.
>> Yeah, we voted on that work session.

896
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:07,760
» Right. Okay.
>> Yeah. And the main reason for doing it

897
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:11,520
is because
we want to make sure we don't get caught

898
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:16,159
unprepared. So implementing this
immediately I think is a key aspect of

899
01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:18,800
making sure we don't get unprepared,
>> right?

900
01:19:16,400 --> 01:19:23,840
» We're not caught unprepared. So
>> all righty. Can I get a motion to adopt

901
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:26,320
ordinance 202614
imposing a proposed moratorium on data

902
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,400
centers?
>> So moved.

903
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:31,440
» All in favor?
>> I.

904
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:35,480
» Any opposed?
>> Hearing none. This motion carries.

905
01:19:37,625 --> 01:19:45,280
» [applause]
>> So stay tuned. There'll be some new

906
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:49,280
rules in the LDC. Um or a continuation.
We'll we'll see what we can do. We'll be

907
01:19:47,679 --> 01:19:52,480
work session this. We have a whole year
to work on it. We'll be working with our

908
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:55,920
legal team. We'll be working with our
state partners as well trying to come up

909
01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:01,920
with something that really does protect
the town and charm of Waxaw. Thank you.

910
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:07,920
All righty. Next up, you're very
welcome. Uh, next up we have the CARPO

911
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:12,360
2026 fall project applications. Mr.
James Kelly, come on down.

912
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:21,440
» Good evening. James Kelly, assistant
town engineer with the town of Waxaw.

913
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:26,320
Um, tonight we are bringing this item
back to the board for further

914
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:30,000
discussion. The ask this evening is to
provide staff with direction on how the

915
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:34,880
board would like to proceed or not
proceed uh with uh available funding uh

916
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:38,000
options and grant applications for the
CRTPO.

917
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:42,960
So for those that are that may be
unaware or may have missed the last uh

918
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:46,719
board workshop meeting, the CRTPO stands
for the Charlotte Regional

919
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:53,040
Transportation Planning Organization and
Waxall is a member of that organization.

920
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:58,800
The CRTPO receives direct attributable
or DA funds to be allocated to member

921
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:03,440
jurisdictions uh projects based on a
competitive basis and that annual fall

922
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:07,440
call is happening right around the
corner here actually next week. So the

923
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:12,159
annual fall call consists of three
primary items either new discretionary

924
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:16,960
transportation capital projects or
supplemental fund requests for existing

925
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:21,600
CRTPO projects and new planning study
projects such as feasibility studies.

926
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:25,120
Um, this fall call supports projects
that improve the community's

927
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:29,120
transportation system across different
project categories. Those including

928
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:34,800
highway, bicycle, and pedestrian,
transit, air quality improvements, and

929
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:38,800
transportation planning.
Um, we talked about this last time

930
01:21:36,800 --> 01:21:43,360
during the board work session. Projects
must meet these eligibility criterion.

931
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:48,880
uh those being federal aid eligibility
being on the federal aid system map or

932
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:53,120
communicating or being deemed by NC DOT
and the federal highway administration

933
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:58,480
that the project can be added to the
federal aid system map. Furthermore, the

934
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:02,800
you must have an adopted plan uh that
shows whatever improvements you want to

935
01:22:00,719 --> 01:22:08,000
make. And of course, the eligible
activities as a part of these grants are

936
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:12,320
uh projects such as planning projects
which include feasibility studies,

937
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:17,360
corridor study projects, design
projects, uh anything involving rideway

938
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:21,600
acquisition and construction. And
furthermore, which is likely the easiest

939
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:25,600
one to meet is a it must have a simple
problem and solution. projects must

940
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:30,400
address an identified need and provide a
highly effective solution to the

941
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:34,960
transportation problem. Um, also
municipalities and member jurisdictions

942
01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:39,760
uh must have a minimum match committed
to projects. That minimum match being

943
01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:43,920
20%. Um, and as we'll go throughout this
presentation, the board will learn that

944
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:49,679
that match is becoming more competitive
and an increased local match is really

945
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:52,880
required to be competitive at the CRTPO
level because you're competing with

946
01:22:51,199 --> 01:22:58,239
other member jurisdictions including
Charlotte, uh, Meckllinmberg counties

947
01:22:54,960 --> 01:23:01,760
and Union County and Ayardell counties.
So, as far as timeline, the reason why

948
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:06,560
we're asking this is because next week
on August 17th, the fall call the fall

949
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:09,920
call opens for new projects and
shortfalls on existing projects. So,

950
01:23:08,719 --> 01:23:15,679
we're seeking your direction this
evening on what path uh you would like

951
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:20,239
to take. And then our goal to staff is
to bring this back to you uh by the end

952
01:23:18,159 --> 01:23:24,719
of October before those applications are
due for a final resolution um and

953
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:29,760
support for the projects that you submit
or or or don't submit. Um, moving

954
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:35,040
forward from there, the process goes to
the TCC, which stands for technical U

955
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:40,960
committee, the technical committee of
CRTPO, which includes your CRTPO staff.

956
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:46,400
Um, and basically the staff helps to
score these projects based upon the

957
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:51,440
adopted CRTPO discretionary grants
program policy guide. The TCC then works

958
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:56,880
to develop a recommended project list
based upon this criterion scoring

959
01:23:53,199 --> 01:24:02,560
metrics and present that to the board at
January u meeting for information and

960
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:08,159
then ultimately to request action come
February of next year. Assuming that you

961
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,000
are awarded a grant application, we then
must go through a STIP amendment process

962
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:17,760
or the state transportation improvement
program amendment process in February

963
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:23,679
that is sent to DOT uh to complete in
March and April. So that's the general

964
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:29,199
timing of the overall program. So as far
as total active projects, uh the CRTPO

965
01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:33,840
has over 121 active projects, three of
those being with uh within Waxall. As

966
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:36,960
far as the CRTPO projects, those
including the Kensington Drive

967
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:41,520
improvements, which is in the
construction phase right now, um the

968
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:46,320
Broom Street improvements and Helms Road
extension, which are both in design as

969
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:50,159
of right now.
So, as far as funding availability for

970
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:56,239
this fiscal year, there's approximately
52 million in funds available spread

971
01:24:53,120 --> 01:25:00,080
over various fiscal years. Um majority
of those funds being of course in FY31.

972
01:24:58,639 --> 01:25:06,560
So the further you get out from now, the
more funding there is available.

973
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:10,560
There is a catch and um you have to
abide by these award caps for the

974
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:16,800
various funding categories. So for
planning projects um the maximum really

975
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:24,239
award is 500,000. Uh for highway
projects is 25% of the available funds

976
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:29,679
of that 80% total. So 10.37 million and
for non-highway projects 2.59 million

977
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:33,920
are those award caps per project funding
category.

978
01:25:31,440 --> 01:25:38,800
As I said before the local the typical
20% match is really no longer cutting it

979
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:42,800
when it comes to being competitive um
except for planning projects. So

980
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:47,520
planning projects are are capped at that
20% so you get the most bang for your

981
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:52,480
buck with those planning projects. On
highway projects, we're finding over the

982
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:58,000
past uh few years that those are ranging
to over a 40% local match is required to

983
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:03,719
be competitive. Um and non-highway
projects are averaging over 30% local

984
01:26:00,159 --> 01:26:03,719
match to be competitive.

985
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:10,960
So the board discussed two primary
projects during this workshop. So, we're

986
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,159
providing some more details and also
incorporating the board's feedback and

987
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:20,159
really just doing a gut check to make
sure that we're capturing uh what you

988
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:23,520
all are seeking or not seeking. Um for
so, for example, in this category, the

989
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:28,560
planning category, it would be a
corridor study for the Waxall Parkway

990
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:34,159
East. The estimated total cost of that
study would be about 300,000. With that

991
01:26:31,440 --> 01:26:38,239
said, um the match breakdown is an 8020
split. So, the town would only really be

992
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:41,920
responsible for 60,000. And I'll just
note that's really funded over two

993
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:46,080
years. So about 30,000 per year. The
remaining share, the remaining 240,000

994
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:49,679
will be funded by the state and federal
folks.

995
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,639
Rationale for conducting an additional
corridor study. You know, we have a we

996
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:55,840
have several critics out there. It's
like why do we why do we study this

997
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:59,360
again? What's what's causing the the
change? Well, there was a significant

998
01:26:57,679 --> 01:27:04,320
change. Um there was a significant
federal change um considering the

999
01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:08,639
adjusted urban area boundary. So
evaluating this project, considering

1000
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:13,360
that updated boundary, uh it now allows
for a new design speed instead of the

1001
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:17,840
previously uh required 50 m per hour
design speed. What this means is it

1002
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:21,440
provides an opportunity to optimize the
roadways horizontal and vertical

1003
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:27,040
alignments with the potential to reduce
or eliminate impacts to existing homes.

1004
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:31,199
So this basically means that some of the
alternatives that we could not consider

1005
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:34,320
before due to restrictions, we could now
consider because they're mathematically

1006
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:40,800
possible.
Um in addition, it would uh examine

1007
01:27:38,239 --> 01:27:44,960
multiple alignment alternatives while
incorporating additional public and

1008
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:49,760
stakeholder input to identify the most
optimized corridor. So this includes

1009
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:54,159
stakeholders uh regionally, locally,
state level, and the federal level as

1010
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:59,920
well. And from your discussion on the
July 28th workshop, um some notable

1011
01:27:57,120 --> 01:28:04,960
points are that what we heard is that
you're looking for about three to five

1012
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:08,880
key corridor alternatives and you want
to prioritize alignments that remain

1013
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:13,760
solely within the town of Waxall's
jurisdictional limits. Uh furthermore,

1014
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:18,159
you want to minimize impacts to existing
and established neighborhoods and avoid

1015
01:28:16,239 --> 01:28:24,000
alternatives that adversely affect
historical downtown buildings as these

1016
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:28,639
are non-starter uh options. In addition,
uh the board noted to emphasize the

1017
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:33,760
segment solely between uh Providence
Road or NC16 and Waxall Indian Trail

1018
01:28:31,679 --> 01:28:38,800
Road uh while considering this as a
future standalone project to improve

1019
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:44,719
future funding uh competitiveness. Did
we capture that accurately?

1020
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:51,360
» Uh yes.
>> Yeah. And just to for clarification too

1021
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:55,600
that we want to ensure that that um
Providence to Wax on Indian Trail isn't

1022
01:28:53,520 --> 01:29:01,600
really a part of this study. We kind of
know that exists. We know where some of

1023
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:05,199
the hiccups are. Um so we want something
a little different.

1024
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:09,760
» Great. Thank you.
The other uh project that was brought

1025
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:15,120
forth just because it is likely to score
very well is the Kensington Drive

1026
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:19,600
multi-use path project. Um there is a
larger price tag on this one. The total

1027
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:24,960
estimated project cost is estimated to
be approximately $4.2 million. Um and

1028
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:28,080
that's projected over the course of the
project. So that is including

1029
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:31,440
contingencies, that's including
inflation factors, escalation factors,

1030
01:29:30,159 --> 01:29:38,480
that sort of thing. So it is an
all-inclusive number. Um the downside is

1031
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:45,440
the town of Waxaw local match would have
to be $1.7 million. Um because we would

1032
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:50,400
have to be at that 40% because the the
state and federal cap on this is $2.59

1033
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:54,159
million. So to make the numbers work
there from a financial perspective, you

1034
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:58,719
would you would have to be at that 40%
local match. Um, I will note though that

1035
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:04,400
if you choose to go forward with this
project, majority of that funding,

1036
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:08,320
approximately 1.3 million of the 1.7 is
really not scheduled to be uh performed

1037
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:14,400
until the construction phase which is
estimated in fiscal year 2031. So this

1038
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:19,600
I'll note that that 1.7 million will be
funded over five years with the majority

1039
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:23,760
of that being funded at the very end uh
as a part of construction. So that's

1040
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:28,000
something to consider.
Overall project benefits. This extends

1041
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:33,520
the already programmed Kensington Drive
improvements or EB5950 that uh are

1042
01:30:31,440 --> 01:30:39,280
currently underway from Connells Point
Avenue to Waxaw Marvin Road completing a

1043
01:30:36,639 --> 01:30:43,440
continuous uh pedestrian connection. In
addition, this connects the Millbridge,

1044
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:48,239
Quellin, Kuritan, and surrounding areas
with a safer and more accessible

1045
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:52,800
multi-use path and pedestrian bridge.
Furthermore, it reconstructs the roadway

1046
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:57,760
to address existing super elevation
deficiencies while improving multimodal

1047
01:30:55,520 --> 01:31:01,760
connectivity. So what I mean by there is
we get the question a lot of times is

1048
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:08,639
why is that road segment posted 35 miles
per hour or posted 25 excuse me and not

1049
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:13,360
of 35 miles hour. Um it's because the
when the roadway was built several years

1050
01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:17,600
ago um it has an inverse super elevation
from what it should be or a bank in the

1051
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:21,679
roadway. Uh so this project would
address that ultimately allowing the

1052
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:28,080
road to be adjusted to a posted 35 miles
per hour condition. Furthermore, it

1053
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:32,560
builds on a previous CRTPO application
that scored competitively but fell just

1054
01:31:30,639 --> 01:31:37,679
below the funding threshold. And this
next bit of information is just

1055
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:43,520
information on what caused um that
funding just below the threshold. So,

1056
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:48,880
uh, we did submit, staff did submit, um,
I think it was the 2023 fall call year,

1057
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:54,800
a previous application for this project
which fell just five points, uh, below

1058
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:58,800
the funding threshold requirement. Um,
the project did not have support

1059
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:03,280
unfortunately, from the uh, former
Quellen HOA leadership regarding

1060
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:08,880
potential right-of-way needs uh,
resulting in a loss of uh, about 10

1061
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:12,560
application points from the project. So,
we fel we fell just under the funding

1062
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:16,719
threshold on that. I from what I'm
hearing, it sounds like there may be a

1063
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:21,760
change. Uh there there may be a desire
for this project. Um from what I'm

1064
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:25,920
hearing, which is for your discussion.
So, with those points, the project would

1065
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:30,480
have actually been competitive for
funding during that cycle and it would

1066
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:34,480
have been awarded uh during that cycle.
Since the previous application,

1067
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:39,120
obviously project costs have increased,
underscoring the importance of strong

1068
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:43,040
stakeholder support in order to have a
competitive application.

1069
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:47,920
And then of course, uh just some notes
from the board discussion from July

1070
01:32:44,719 --> 01:32:52,719
28th, 2026. Um there were concerns
regarding the overall project cost and

1071
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:57,920
the required 40% uh local match, that
$1.7 million. And um the board also

1072
01:32:56,159 --> 01:33:02,560
talked about considering the town's
existing commitments that we already

1073
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:07,760
have to several active capital projects
and the potential award of an additional

1074
01:33:05,280 --> 01:33:11,679
safe streets and roads for all grant
that's a potential later this year

1075
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:17,199
November December timeline. Uh making
funding capacity a key consideration.

1076
01:33:14,880 --> 01:33:21,120
The board also noted a need to weigh the
project's transportation and

1077
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:25,440
connectivity benefits against the town's
current and anticipated financial

1078
01:33:23,199 --> 01:33:31,600
commitments. So, did we did we capture
that information correctly?

1079
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:34,800
Okay.
So, that really leads to board

1080
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:38,400
discussion on this. Staff is seeking
feedback because we need to get moving

1081
01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:43,440
forward on an application or perhaps not
an application. Um, but we've outlined a

1082
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:47,840
few options for the board to discuss
this evening. Option A being to proceed

1083
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:53,040
with the Waxel port or Parkway East
corridor study only. Option B proceeding

1084
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:57,120
with the Kennington multi-use path only,
C proceeding with both applications. D

1085
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:01,440
proceeding with no applications or E
proceeding with another eligible or

1086
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:05,280
combination of eligible project
applications. And um again, I'll just

1087
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:11,199
note like I've noted before, a future
resolution will come back to the board

1088
01:34:07,280 --> 01:34:15,600
at your October 13, 2026 BOC meeting if
the board does decide to proceed with a

1089
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:18,639
grant submission. So with that, happy to
take any questions and turn it back over

1090
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:22,000
to you all.
>> And those resolutions, those would be

1091
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:24,719
two individual resolutions, correct?
Assuming we approve the pursuit of both

1092
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:26,960
of these.
>> Correct.

1093
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:30,400
» Understood. So each project has its own
resolution.

1094
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:34,560
» Any questions or comments from the
board? Sir,

1095
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:40,560
» Mr. Ferris,
>> James, uh, can you help me? Um, you said

1096
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:45,840
the timing would be 2031
>> and how does that sequence with our

1097
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:50,080
Helms Road extension west connecting
into uh down over into Waxel Marvin?

1098
01:34:48,719 --> 01:34:54,800
What's the timing look like?
>> That's a that's a great question. So,

1099
01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:58,639
um, it would the 2031 element would only
really apply to the Kensington project

1100
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:04,000
because the other project would only
take about two years. Um, as to answer

1101
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:08,480
your question though, um, the 20 the
project for Helms Road extension is

1102
01:35:05,679 --> 01:35:12,159
programmed to be completed FY 2030. So
it' be the year prior to when

1103
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:15,520
construction funds for this project
would be due.

1104
01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:22,400
» Got it. So if we were to consider this,
the the Helms Road Extension West tie-in

1105
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:29,120
uh, would be a relief valve [snorts]
and function as a throughput while we

1106
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:34,159
worked on the Kensington Road. it and I
know that the sequencing of possible

1107
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:39,120
closures or limitations of how that road
would be reconstructed,

1108
01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:42,880
but we would have an ability to manage
through that closure because of our

1109
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:45,880
Helms Road extension west.
>> Correct.

1110
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:54,719
» For me, I think we need to work on
Parkway East. It's been a discussion for

1111
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:59,120
what I hear is like 30 or 40 years, a
long time. And uh with the Helms Road

1112
01:35:57,600 --> 01:36:05,120
extension,
uh my dream would to be to make that a

1113
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:09,600
truck route if we could. I mean, it's
being built for fire trucks and that

1114
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:15,600
sort, so heavy or trucks if if they're
diverted to 75 that way. It's not

1115
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:22,400
eliminating all the traffic down 16, but
it would help. And then if we can get um

1116
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:27,046
Parkway East or not Parkway East, I
would say 16 extension east. [laughter]

1117
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:35,280
» I think that would make some sense and
it would relieve in the short term some

1118
01:36:32,639 --> 01:36:39,520
of that traffic to get to Wesley Chapel
and that sort of thing. So, um I think

1119
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:42,480
I've been kind of saying this since I've
been on the board. I'm sure you're tired

1120
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:45,199
of hearing it, James. [laughter]
>> No, you're you're absolutely correct.

1121
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,960
One of the main things that we hear,
especially from folks downtown, is the

1122
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:52,000
the trucks, the noise from the trucks
that come through and pass through,

1123
01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:55,600
which is why with the Helms Road
extension, we are designing to

1124
01:36:53,760 --> 01:37:02,960
accommodate those truck movements.
>> And so I guess um so you know, my vote

1125
01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:10,400
would be for the the Parkway East. Um
it's less money. It's something that we

1126
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:17,199
need and with all the SS4A
mitigations, I think other traffic will

1127
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:22,639
be alleviated with those improvements
and we're we are going to be spending

1128
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:28,480
money. Our match there is 20%.
>> Correct. So, you're right. Assuming the

1129
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:33,360
uh SS4A grant is awarded to the town,
which knock on wood, let's hope it is,

1130
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:37,520
um your match would only be 20%, which
is a huge cost savings and projects that

1131
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:40,000
would be more cost effective with that
funding model versus versus something

1132
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:46,560
like this,
>> right? And and so I feel like Kensington

1133
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:52,000
is getting addressed in in part. Uh we
do hear complaints about the eastern

1134
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:55,040
side and traffic diverting traffic that
way. I think it just makes more sense to

1135
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:58,239
do that and
>> correct and

1136
01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:02,080
» try to put this to bed if we can.
>> Yes. And I will note that also um

1137
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:05,920
especially when you get further east
like towards Cuthson or further west

1138
01:38:03,760 --> 01:38:11,280
towards the uh elementary school there
along Kensington, the board always has

1139
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:14,800
the option to explore uh options to uh
adjust the speed limit for those

1140
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:19,280
segments of Kensington Road because
there is no uh super elevation effects

1141
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:24,639
there. There are no super elevation
effects there.

1142
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:30,639
Is there a Kensington Drive alternative
that doesn't include any road

1143
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:34,480
improvements or alterations?
>> There could be. So you could you could

1144
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,480
limit the scope of the project. So you
could

1145
01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:40,080
» and would that be just as eligible from
a carpo standpoint or does that kind of

1146
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:45,199
move it into a different category?
Because I know SS4A we we focused a lot

1147
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:50,960
on pedestrian and whatnot. What we found
in the last application is that a

1148
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:56,639
combination of both pedestrian and
roadway to provide for that multimodal

1149
01:38:52,880 --> 01:39:01,360
element proved to be the most um the
best option as far as scoring.

1150
01:38:59,679 --> 01:39:05,119
» You can limit the scope which will
affect other elements which will improve

1151
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:09,760
your cost effectiveness score for
example, but it may hinder your

1152
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:15,520
multimodal overall. Yeah,
>> understood. Thank you,

1153
01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:15,520
» Commissioner Ferris.

1154
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:25,119
I agree with your sentiment on where our
prioritization needs to be. SS4A is very

1155
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:31,040
important. It brings vital connectivity
um and keeping that project prioritized.

1156
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:37,679
But I disagree with any form of
abandonment of the Kensington Drive. And

1157
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:43,440
this is my reasoning. When NC16 widening
may or may not come, it will force large

1158
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:48,000
portions of the population to then seek
alternative navigation which will then

1159
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:55,840
push them either up towards Wax on
Marvin and or further out towards 521

1160
01:39:52,400 --> 01:40:03,280
and to give our citizens the best
logistical operations and and flow to

1161
01:39:59,360 --> 01:40:09,520
get to work from here, a suburb of South
Charlotte, to get to work likely into

1162
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:16,719
Charlotte or navigate to 485. We need to
continue to find ways to openly discuss

1163
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:21,280
that. Um I think that I understand the
timing uh is not optimal uh at this

1164
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:26,719
grant at this moment. It doesn't mean it
might not be next year. Um but at the

1165
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:30,880
same time, there are reasonablenesses to
continue looking at how we can improve

1166
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:36,000
Kensington for traffic flow and internal
circulation within Waxaw. And I'm not

1167
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:41,199
ready to give up on that.
Yeah. Um I don't think that that right

1168
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:44,800
it would stay on the list. Correct.
>> Correct. So it is

1169
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:48,400
» of our thing to things to do list.
>> Right. It's always on your adopted

1170
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:53,600
transportation plan. So that's that's
always on your plan to submit and

1171
01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:57,840
something that the board may consider is
um you know when it comes to scoring

1172
01:40:55,360 --> 01:41:01,600
maybe you only want to submit for design
only or maybe you want to only submit

1173
01:41:00,159 --> 01:41:05,520
for right away and construction or
construction only. That also improves

1174
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:10,239
your score if you're able to progress
the project to a point readiness for

1175
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:13,600
construction. Um, in fact, it increases
your score quite substantially if you

1176
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:20,159
already have design and rightway
complete before you approach CRTPO.

1177
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:25,119
» Would would that be
um an optionality before the end of this

1178
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:31,760
deadline for submittal to rescope to
maybe just say design and rightway?

1179
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:35,520
» We could ask CRTPO that question. Uh, I
don't know the question off the top of

1180
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:38,800
my head, but I I think we that's
something that we could ask if the board

1181
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:43,880
wants to consider that option.
>> I think it's reasonable to consider it

1182
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,880
at a minimum.

1183
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:50,880
» And the primary concern, it sounds like
that we have a convergence of a lot of

1184
01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:56,080
project coming up in the next three to
five years. Helms Road being obviously

1185
01:41:53,920 --> 01:42:01,760
the most substantial with over $4
million that will be owed. Um, is that

1186
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:06,159
it sounds like that's the primary
hesitation with jumping into the

1187
01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:09,840
Kensington Drive multi-use path and and
redesign?

1188
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:15,600
» Yeah, I just think that we are are right
now for me, I feel like we're focused

1189
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:18,880
like this, right? And I think that we
have two options here. Kensington is

1190
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:23,440
being addressed, so it's not really
being ignored. And I think that next

1191
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:29,840
year maybe we could look at it, see
where we are financially, see if we get

1192
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:35,920
the SS4A grant and move slowly rather
than hesitating on a vote tonight to get

1193
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:39,920
an answer because then we have to wait
and and that prevents you guys from

1194
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:42,400
starting the process of writing the
grant and doing what you need to do.

1195
01:42:42,311 --> 01:42:47,360
[snorts]
>> I mean, that's just my feeling. I feel

1196
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:51,600
like Kensington is getting addressed.
It's not happening till 2031 anyway.

1197
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,760
» The easy part's getting addressed, the
straightaway,

1198
01:42:52,639 --> 01:43:02,639
» right?
>> Just to Commissioner Ferris's point,

1199
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:09,679
» you you drive Kensington Road
uh west of Providence. And you notice

1200
01:43:06,480 --> 01:43:16,639
that it's almost it's almost necessary
to fix that road because the banking is

1201
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:20,080
inverted. It's kind of a joke. It's an
embarrassment to the town that we

1202
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:27,840
actually have to drive on a road that
has inverted banking. It's crazy.

1203
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:32,800
And it's 25. People are, you know,
scratching and clawing at their face to

1204
01:43:30,639 --> 01:43:34,880
just drive faster down that road. We all
get it.

1205
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:40,000
» Just want to get home.
>> But it it's almost necessary to fix that

1206
01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:44,480
road. But how necessary? I And to
Commissioner Wedger's point, there's a

1207
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:52,000
lot of stuff going on. There's a lot of
stuff that's more necessary. I I do know

1208
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:57,440
that to James point, we are going to
incur a large

1209
01:43:54,400 --> 01:44:03,040
cost increase if we decide to do that
project later. However, you know, but

1210
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:07,600
back to the whole we've got a lot of
projects going on right now and we have

1211
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:14,400
to somehow fund these things. We can
still drive on Kensington Road. We all

1212
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:22,639
got to be safe about it. it that road
will hold up if we keep the uh speed

1213
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:28,960
limit low. Um my my [clears throat]
we keep this on the list.

1214
01:44:25,679 --> 01:44:35,360
Let's do the Waxaw Parkway East corridor
study and then I think sometime in the

1215
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:40,159
very near future we give more thought to
actually and it gives people in the

1216
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:46,560
community some some time to think about
it, give their input. How badly do we

1217
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:51,760
want that road fix? To me, I'd love to
have it fixed because, of course, I

1218
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:57,840
drive it a lot and it's kind of
embarrassing to be driving on a road

1219
01:44:53,600 --> 01:45:04,480
where you're like, who built this thing?
It is just not right. So, um, anyway, I

1220
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:12,080
I I agree with Commissioner Wedra's
final assessment on on our priorities.

1221
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:21,199
um really do agree with the commissioner
Ferris's assessment as well as that it's

1222
01:45:15,280 --> 01:45:25,440
a necessary project, but um in in the
in the interest of being fiscally

1223
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:32,560
responsible, we probably should hold off
on that Kensington uh road multi-use

1224
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:37,199
path. Would it make sense then to
request that we go ahead and proceed

1225
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:41,520
with the corridor study in the
application

1226
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:46,480
and then maybe we rescope item B the
Kensington Drive multi-use rescope that

1227
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:51,840
to be just a design grant
>> I think not so much the full boore

1228
01:45:50,159 --> 01:45:56,239
» could try to keep as many things on the
boil as possible you know as you said

1229
01:45:53,840 --> 01:46:01,280
you know don't bring a complete halt to
it but you know just keep the ball

1230
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:05,760
rolling Yes, definitely keep it keep it
percolating to use the mayor's word. If

1231
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:11,360
if it can be evaluated to be more
bite-size essentially at this moment um

1232
01:46:09,360 --> 01:46:16,719
to where it is design and right away I
think it's reasonable to consider

1233
01:46:13,440 --> 01:46:21,119
» um even and I I'll go back to this. I do
agree that there is a lot on our plate.

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01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:26,480
We are we are essentially using the
pepro bosmol uh and to evaluate how we

1235
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:30,880
can best deploy our resources in a
meaningful way.

1236
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:39,199
» Yeah. Um and it and but yet at the same
time too I I would hate to um incur unne

1237
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:45,760
unnecessary costs by maybe a two-year
delay if the if the or even a a one-year

1238
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:51,119
delay as we've seen uh inflation can
creep and all of a sudden that project

1239
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:56,480
now may be uh 10% more than necessary
because we've delayed it a year. Um, so

1240
01:46:53,440 --> 01:47:00,159
that's why I wanted to bring up not, let
me correct my words. I don't think

1241
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:04,719
anybody here is abandoning that project.
It's more of just how are we sequencing

1242
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:09,119
it to use my earlier word. And if it
could be evaluated to be rescoped, uh, I

1243
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:13,760
think it's worth it.
>> Yeah. When I moved here, nobody used

1244
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:18,320
that road. Not often.
>> And now it's getting used.

1245
01:47:16,239 --> 01:47:21,199
» Yeah. It gets used and it gets used by
pedestrians as well. I mean, always

1246
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:25,199
seeing people walk there. So,
>> Right. which isn't safe in that area.

1247
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:32,000
» I think for a large bite project like
this, we need a little more time cuz our

1248
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:37,679
town manager is being very helpful with
helping us to wrap our heads around

1249
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:40,719
long-term financial picture. And so
maybe we need just a little more time

1250
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:43,520
before we
>> take this huge bite of the apple, you

1251
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:48,320
know,
>> another huge bite.

1252
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:53,840
Um, so it it sounds like the board's
then in agreement that we would proceed

1253
01:47:50,560 --> 01:48:01,600
with A as discussed at our work session.
And then for item B, we will rescope

1254
01:47:56,400 --> 01:48:04,960
that to be a design only and not a full
construction.

1255
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:09,760
» Correct. We will we will ask that
question. And I'll note that from a time

1256
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:14,400
perspective, if you were to still if we
still were able to grant the award from

1257
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:18,239
CRTBO for design costs only, in this
case, you don't lose any time.

1258
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:21,840
» So, um that that's one thing to note.
And it further gets you to the ultimate

1259
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:26,239
goal, which is construction. So, the
following year, um not only would you

1260
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:30,480
not lose any time, but it also may give
you a year to gut check everyone to make

1261
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:36,719
sure that they do support the project
and we don't have a repeat of the past

1262
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:39,760
here. Um and then ultimately apply for
uh really those construction dollars

1263
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:42,320
because your rideway dollars, majority
of the land Waxaw already owns.

1264
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:46,880
» Yeah.
>> Um so that's something else to consider

1265
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:51,280
is really maybe you only want to apply
for construction dollars the following

1266
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:56,320
year which increases your scoring metric
which can ultimately reduce your may

1267
01:48:53,199 --> 01:49:00,480
maybe your local match required as well.
>> That sounds like a great approach.

1268
01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:04,800
» Thank you for the support on that James.
I think that definitely breaks it down

1269
01:49:02,239 --> 01:49:09,760
into something bite-size that we're we
can see progress continue but yet

1270
01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:13,280
» Exactly. Keep it moving
>> and I'm glad we found a way to keep it

1271
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:17,280
moving. I think that's most important
and the fact that we've got kind of a a

1272
01:49:15,040 --> 01:49:20,239
smaller piece to chew makes it a lot
easier to swallow as well. So

1273
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,440
» great.
>> Thank you.

1274
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:28,719
» Thank you, Mr. Kelly. All righty. Next
up, we have Allara. a consider the

1275
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:31,840
approval for the interlocal agreement
between the town of Waxaw and the Union

1276
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:35,520
County.
>> That's James.

1277
01:49:32,639 --> 01:49:41,920
» Actually, we got one,
but anyway. Um, so yeah, this is for the

1278
01:49:37,760 --> 01:49:47,040
road replacement um to repair the roads
as a result of all the water mane work.

1279
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:51,840
» Take it away.
>> Exciting news on this one. Folks may

1280
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:57,119
have seen our message boards start going
up uh this afternoon. Um but this this

1281
01:49:55,520 --> 01:50:02,800
is the proposed intersection
improvements project at Waxaw Marvin

1282
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:08,320
Road and uh Pine Oak Road and this is
the final step before we start uh

1283
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:14,320
construction. The action requested this
evening from the board is to approve a

1284
01:50:11,119 --> 01:50:19,199
uh contract with the recommended
contractor for this project and

1285
01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:24,080
authorize uh the town manager to execute
said contract so that way we can we can

1286
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:27,760
begin construction. So, for folks uh
that don't know, here's some background

1287
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:32,480
information. So, on July 22nd of this
year, a formal bid opening was held for

1288
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:36,719
the Waxaw Marvin and Pine Oak Road
intersection improvements contract. The

1289
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:40,960
town received a total of three bids with
Widewaters Construction being identified

1290
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:45,760
as the lowest responsible bidder from a
total bid amount as well as from a lead

1291
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:50,800
time on the traffic signal polls. And
I'll get into that here momentarily. Um

1292
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:54,880
the other two submitters were Litman
Excavating and Construction and True

1293
01:50:52,400 --> 01:50:58,800
Rock Construction LLC with those bid
amounts broken out there and lead times

1294
01:50:56,960 --> 01:51:03,040
for the metal poles there provided as
well.

1295
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:08,480
So project overview. Uh the project will
realign this intersection to a 90°

1296
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:12,239
angle. It will signalize the
intersection at a traffic light there

1297
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:16,880
which is important because of the
existing sight distance issues that are

1298
01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:23,119
there today. Um, so that traffic signal
will bring folks to a stop condition

1299
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:27,199
where folks can then exit from Pine Oak
Road, turn left, turn right without

1300
01:51:25,119 --> 01:51:32,159
having to worry about being t-boned at
that intersection. Um, which we have

1301
01:51:30,159 --> 01:51:36,400
seen those types of crash histories
along with a recorded fatality

1302
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:40,960
unfortunately at this intersection as
well. Um, in addition, DOT has required

1303
01:51:39,119 --> 01:51:45,599
us to add turn lanes at the
intersection. This is just standard

1304
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:50,480
procedure to uh help uh in th in those
types of cases. Um so the existing site

1305
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:54,880
distance issues will be or are to be
addressed with a no turnon red condition

1306
01:51:52,880 --> 01:52:00,159
and the projected schedule of this
project is assuming BOC approval this

1307
01:51:57,199 --> 01:52:05,040
evening uh will begin next Monday and
then the project will take approximately

1308
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:09,280
six to seven months from there uh for
construction. I'll note that three to

1309
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:13,679
four of those months, so really to up to
December, uh, majority of the project

1310
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:18,159
will be complete. The only remaining
thing that we will be waiting on are

1311
01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:22,239
those lead time on the metal poles. And
the reasoning for those metal poles is

1312
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:27,040
rideway constraints at the intersection.
So, we had to go with metal poles

1313
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:31,760
because of rideway constraints. Um, I'll
also note that those metal poles are

1314
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:36,320
manufactured specifically and fabricated
specifically for the design. So they are

1315
01:52:34,719 --> 01:52:40,159
that's why it takes so long to receive
them is because they're manufactured

1316
01:52:37,679 --> 01:52:44,159
specifically for the design approved by
DOT.

1317
01:52:42,159 --> 01:52:48,480
Folks may a big question for folks may
be well what does the traffic control

1318
01:52:45,599 --> 01:52:53,920
plans look like? Uh I'll note that as a
part of the planning process with this

1319
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:58,880
staff worked to design a minimized
impact to local traffic. So what does

1320
01:52:56,159 --> 01:53:03,840
that mean? We're going to first start by
building a parallel roadway to the

1321
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:08,239
existing roadway. So there will be
construction barriers in place. The

1322
01:53:05,440 --> 01:53:14,159
roadway will operate normally and we'll
build that parallel roadway. The second

1323
01:53:10,159 --> 01:53:18,320
phase of the traffic uh plan is to
basically flip that and open up the new

1324
01:53:16,239 --> 01:53:23,119
roadway for folks to use while we
correct the existing roadway and then

1325
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:28,320
utilize lane closure. So there are no
detours in this particular case, uh

1326
01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:32,080
which is good for folks. Um, with that
said, drivers can still expect lane

1327
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:36,719
closures during various times throughout
the project, predominantly during

1328
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:40,480
daytime hours. Um, I'll note that
changeable message boards like you see

1329
01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:44,880
there to the right will be used to
provide advanced warning ahead of the

1330
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:48,960
worked zone. Um, and notices have
already been provided to adjacent land

1331
01:53:46,719 --> 01:53:53,599
owners. Uh, we were required to provide
them a 10-day advanced notice. So, that

1332
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:58,800
has those notices have been sent out in
anticipation uh for this evening. And

1333
01:53:56,560 --> 01:54:03,199
I'll just note this project serves as a
vital infrastructure improvement ahead

1334
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:06,880
of the upcoming Waxel Marvin bridge
replacement project. So that bridge

1335
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:11,119
replacement project is not a project
done by the town. That is a project

1336
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:18,320
that's currently scheduled for November
of 2027 with the NC DOT. And that

1337
01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:23,520
project ent uh involves closing the
Waxel Marvin Bridge. And in the interim,

1338
01:54:20,880 --> 01:54:27,599
if we don't have any solutions to where
folks are going to go, uh they may have

1339
01:54:25,679 --> 01:54:32,000
some dangerous conditions uh if we don't
mitigate ahead of time of that project.

1340
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:36,080
So this really this project serves as a
primary mitigation and infrastructure

1341
01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:40,560
improvement ahead of that upcoming
project.

1342
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:45,119
Here's what that final condition will
look like. So as you can see, um you'll

1343
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:50,000
have those turn lanes involved. You'll
have that signalization. you'll have

1344
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:53,920
that realignment uh of the intersection
and we're working with DOT to finalize a

1345
01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:59,679
few things when it comes down to the
traffic signal timing, the emphasis on

1346
01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:03,280
the no right turn there on red um as
well to make sure that we're accounting

1347
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:07,920
for that existing site distance issue
that's that's there today.

1348
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:10,880
So with that, I'll take any questions
and then ask for uh direction for this

1349
01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:14,760
evening.
>> Any questions from the board

1350
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:21,199
hearing? None. Then could I get a motion
to award the contract to Widewaters

1351
01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:25,199
Construction Incorporated for the Waxaw
Marvin Road and Pine Oak Road

1352
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:30,320
Intersection Improvements in the amount
of $1,613,000

1353
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:33,920
$511.64
and authorize the town manager to

1354
01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:36,000
execute said contract.
>> So moved.

1355
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,960
» All in favor?
>> I.

1356
01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:42,400
» Any opposed? Hearing none, this motion
carries. All right. Thank you.

1357
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:49,880
» All righty.
Now we have Miss Allora. Sorry,

1358
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:49,880
I got that out of order.

1359
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:05,920
All right. Good evening. Laura Balt
Miscus, downtown and business

1360
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:08,960
development director. Um, tonight I'm
bringing forward the interlocal

1361
01:56:07,199 --> 01:56:12,960
agreement between the town of Waxaw and
Union County related to the final

1362
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:17,280
payment restoration associated with the
downtown Castiron water main replacement

1363
01:56:15,360 --> 01:56:21,119
project. Uh, so I'll just give you a
quick uh overview of why the agreement

1364
01:56:19,199 --> 01:56:26,320
is needed, how responsibilities and
funding will work, and then the action

1365
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:30,239
we're requesting from the board tonight.
As you know, uh, Uni County has been

1366
01:56:28,400 --> 01:56:34,719
completing the cast iron water main
replacement project throughout downtown.

1367
01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:39,280
Uh once that utility work is complete,
the affected roadways will need final

1368
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:43,119
milling and resurfacing. Uh through our
coordination on the project, the town

1369
01:56:41,280 --> 01:56:46,639
and county determined that the town is
best positioned to administer the final

1370
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:50,320
paving work rather than having it
included with the county's current

1371
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:54,560
construction contract. So this agreement
formalizes that arrangement. Uh the town

1372
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:58,239
will manage the pavement restoration so
that the work is completed to town

1373
01:56:56,080 --> 01:57:02,560
standards and while Union County will
fund the eligible costs. It also gives

1374
01:57:00,560 --> 01:57:06,719
both organizations a clear framework for
coordination as we move from utility

1375
01:57:04,639 --> 01:57:11,040
construction into final roadway res
restoration.

1376
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:15,360
Under the agreement, the town will
competitively bid, award, and administer

1377
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:19,360
the paving contract. Union County will
reimburse the town for eligible paving

1378
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:23,840
costs up to the not to exceed amount of
$47,400.

1379
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:27,679
The completed work will be inspected and
approved by both the town and county.

1380
01:57:26,000 --> 01:57:30,560
The town will oversee construction and
retain ownership of the completed

1381
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:34,239
payment improvements, including
administration of any applicable

1382
01:57:32,000 --> 01:57:38,480
warranties. The agreement also includes
a contingency if bids come in above the

1383
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:41,599
reimbursement reimbursement, excuse me,
limit. In that case, the county may

1384
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:46,719
terminate the agreement and complete the
paving as part of its few future s uh

1385
01:57:43,920 --> 01:57:50,400
sewer project.
Uh from a financial standpoint,

1386
01:57:49,119 --> 01:57:55,599
engineering's current estimated
construction cost is approximately 300

1387
01:57:52,560 --> 01:58:00,800
and $300,000. The agreement establishes
a not to exceed count county

1388
01:57:57,199 --> 01:58:03,920
reimbursement amount of $47,400.
The important distinction is that the

1389
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:08,000
town will administer the contract and
payment process, but the el eligible

1390
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:11,840
paving cost will be reimbured by Union
County. The contractor will invoice the

1391
01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:15,199
town. The town will then submit
reimbursement requests to the county and

1392
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:18,239
that payment is tied to work that has
been inspected and approved by both

1393
01:58:16,719 --> 01:58:21,840
agencies.
With that, staff recommends approval of

1394
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:24,639
the interlocal agreement between the
town of Waxon Union County for

1395
01:58:23,440 --> 01:58:28,480
administration of the pavement
restoration associated with the downtown

1396
01:58:26,560 --> 01:58:32,400
water main replacement project and
authorization for the town manager to

1397
01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:38,719
execute the agreement and happy to
answer any questions that you may have.

1398
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:44,880
» Any questions from the board?
>> All righty. Yes, Mr. Ferris.

1399
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:48,239
» I do have a question and concern.
Or Scott, maybe you might be able to

1400
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:54,960
assist.
Is there any reservation with the amount

1401
01:58:51,920 --> 01:59:00,719
of time that the uh trenching was open
with the substrate? Um because I know

1402
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:05,679
that the road was open for an extended
period and it was heavily traversed on a

1403
01:59:03,440 --> 01:59:08,719
on a regular basis on where they were
doing a large portion of their work.

1404
01:59:08,239 --> 01:59:13,840
» Yes.
>> And has that been

1405
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:18,080
um evaluated?
>> Yes. And was the impetus for this

1406
01:59:16,400 --> 01:59:22,960
interlocal agreement? so that the town
can administer the restoration of the

1407
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:26,480
roadway to our standards and repair as
those trenches and the open cuts unless

1408
01:59:25,040 --> 01:59:30,159
engineering has anything additional they
would like to add. But

1409
01:59:28,159 --> 01:59:32,400
» so so basically we've recognized that
there is the potential that damage has

1410
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:35,599
occurred.
>> Yes.

1411
01:59:32,960 --> 01:59:38,320
» And that the engineering team will be on
site making sure that correct anything

1412
01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:39,679
gets repaired.
>> Yes.

1413
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:43,760
» Okay.
>> Yeah. And in addition, uh, we did work

1414
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:48,560
with the county to try to mitigate a lot
of the issues. So, leading up to this

1415
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:52,239
and the agreement really came out,
>> why don't you guys manage making sure

1416
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:56,159
that the final product meets your
standards here in the town. So, I think

1417
01:59:54,480 --> 02:00:00,400
the staff has done a good job working
with the the county staff who's been at

1418
01:59:58,880 --> 02:00:02,560
the table with us. So, we appreciate
that.

1419
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:05,199
» Thank you. Thank you both.
>> Yeah, at the end of the day, I think

1420
02:00:03,840 --> 02:00:09,440
it's helpful that the county is just
kind of letting us drive this so we know

1421
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:13,760
the roads will be done to our standards.
We trust our engineering team and our

1422
02:00:12,159 --> 02:00:18,639
inspectors and we know it'll be a good
road when it's done.

1423
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:21,679
All righty then, without further ado,
let's go ahead and get a motion to

1424
02:00:20,239 --> 02:00:25,920
approve the interlocal agreement between
the town of Waxaw and Union County for

1425
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:30,080
administering the pavement restoration
of the downtown cast iron waterm

1426
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:34,719
replacement project and authorize the
town manager to execute said agreement.

1427
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,719
» So moved.
>> All in favor?

1428
02:00:35,679 --> 02:00:39,599
» I.
>> Any opposed? hearing. None. This motion

1429
02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:41,679
carries.
>> Thank you.

1430
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:46,000
» Thank you, Aar.
>> All righty. That concludes the

1431
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:50,719
action-packed sequence of our meeting
this evening. Uh, next up is leadership

1432
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:56,040
reports. We'll go ahead and kick it off
to our town manager, Scott Datson. What

1433
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:56,040
do you got for us tonight?

1434
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:01,080
» He snuck out on you.

1435
02:01:02,068 --> 02:01:07,480
[laughter]
>> Qing the crew.

1436
02:01:10,639 --> 02:01:16,639
Mike,
>> Commissioner Dio,

1437
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:20,000
» he's gonna torture him.
>> Commissioner Mike, I'm I'm holding the

1438
02:01:18,960 --> 02:01:25,280
ball out.
>> Just look away there.

1439
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:29,440
» Sorry about that delay. Um I need
someone to be at my seat up there to uh

1440
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:32,760
help with notes. Michael, if you please
go up there.

1441
02:01:35,920 --> 02:01:42,480
back by popular. Can
>> you handle the notes? Take some notes on

1442
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:45,840
this, please. Thank you. [laughter]
>> Just when you thought Just when you

1443
02:01:44,159 --> 02:01:48,960
thought you were out, they pull you back
in.

1444
02:01:46,239 --> 02:01:54,480
» M Mike Michael's really uh to his credit
done a really good job for us here. Um

1445
02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:59,840
he's had a level of enthusiasm that's
been unmatched. He's been willing to do

1446
02:01:56,719 --> 02:02:04,800
whatever except to get his hands dirty.
So, uh, when he comes back next summer,

1447
02:02:02,639 --> 02:02:10,000
he'll be working with public services in
the ditches and cutting grass. So, um, I

1448
02:02:08,080 --> 02:02:14,080
told him if he's going to be in this
business, he needs to know what every

1449
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:20,639
single part does.
So, next year, hands dirty. Got it. All

1450
02:02:17,599 --> 02:02:27,520
right. Take notes. Thank you. So, let's
see. Um, this is the July closing

1451
02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:32,080
update. Um, number two, we'll have a
third one when we officially close the

1452
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:36,400
books books out. The purpose of the
financial reports for the public to

1453
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:41,119
understand is that these are unawited.
These are management's view of the

1454
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:45,920
inflows and outflows of dollars for the
organization.

1455
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:52,719
um year end for us though while it ended
on June 30th we have uh remittances and

1456
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:58,719
incumbrances that go on beyond that and
then count back against books uh for

1457
02:02:55,599 --> 02:03:02,159
last fiscal year. So um as I promised
the board uh we want to make sure that

1458
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:06,639
we're keeping you up to date about where
we are um in the closing of the books

1459
02:03:04,800 --> 02:03:11,440
and then everything gets turned over to
the auditors once the staff uh takes the

1460
02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:19,760
final book closing.
So, um again, this is the fiscal uh year

1461
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:24,639
26, the last fiscal year. Um I've just
gone through uh that we'll do this is

1462
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:31,560
the second of three and we'll do another
third one at at your September meeting

1463
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:31,560
actually. Um

1464
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:42,400
the financial dashboard update um the
total operating revenues as of this time

1465
02:03:39,040 --> 02:03:49,199
are at about 97.4%
of the total u adopted budget for that

1466
02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:56,480
year as amended. Um the revenues have
come in at 97.4. The expenditures are at

1467
02:03:53,119 --> 02:04:03,119
93.7. So we get to the end of the year
and it starts to tighten up. Uh total

1468
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:08,400
cash and investments on hand is about 35
36 million.

1469
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:13,840
Um most of our local revenues collection
that's our property taxes have come in

1470
02:04:10,239 --> 02:04:19,760
from Union County and the state colle uh
state collected revenues such as sales

1471
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:25,119
tax, motor vehicle franchise, POW bill
uh continue they're at about 89.1%

1472
02:04:23,440 --> 02:04:30,719
but they continue to lag. We still
haven't received uh uh June yet on those

1473
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:36,880
numbers.
So uh on the next slide uh this just

1474
02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:43,119
gives you a bar graph version of where
general revenues are. Um advalorum

1475
02:04:40,320 --> 02:04:48,960
exceeded our expectations. Sales tax
continues to lag and we can uh we re we

1476
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:53,920
believe that it will uh be below our
expectations uh at the close of the year

1477
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:59,199
as will franchise. Uh motor vehicle came
in slightly ahead. Uh the other note is

1478
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:04,199
building inspection has been down. Uh we
talk about those when we talk about the

1479
02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:04,199
buildings report

1480
02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:14,480
on the general fund expenditures. Um our
department heads have done a uh a very

1481
02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:20,560
good job of uh keeping those expenses at
or below um those expenses. Um we're

1482
02:05:18,719 --> 02:05:25,199
going to note uh some of the monies that
we moved on the next page. But one thing

1483
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:30,880
I wanted to note, sanitation is above
that note. And one of the reasons it is

1484
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:36,000
um again it's a remittance uh issue when
we get those invoices those kinds of

1485
02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:40,080
things but they adjust their contract in
March. That's just the way our contract

1486
02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:46,480
works. So it doesn't coincide with our
fiscal year. It's midyear

1487
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:50,320
when those happen. So I think the board
um when it adopted the current fiscal

1488
02:05:48,400 --> 02:05:54,960
year did a good job of getting ahead of
that. So hopefully we won't hit that

1489
02:05:52,159 --> 02:06:03,760
lag.
cash and investments. Um as we said we

1490
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:10,880
have around uh um 37.6 million. Uh these
are by fund balances. So general fund

1491
02:06:07,119 --> 02:06:16,080
has the largest amount. Um that is uh
and 120 that is your undesated fund

1492
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:21,440
balance. The rest are designated
balances that are for those projects

1493
02:06:18,320 --> 02:06:26,000
andor categories only. The board uh
actually did some work on that this past

1494
02:06:23,440 --> 02:06:31,840
year. But your general fund, that's your
fund uh that uh stores your retained

1495
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:36,960
earnings. Uh for those of you in use
that term in business life, that's our

1496
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:39,960
undesated fund bounds andor retained
earnings.

1497
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:49,280
So um we're still betting um that at the
end of the year we'll be in positive u

1498
02:06:46,320 --> 02:06:55,199
numbers. Uh but it will be tight. So uh
the board needs to understand that. We

1499
02:06:51,119 --> 02:07:00,800
did, I wanted to note on this, we did in
this round of financials that uh is

1500
02:06:58,159 --> 02:07:06,320
actually part of your packet. Um we did
start to make larger money moves over to

1501
02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:10,480
the CIP funds. Um but we waited to the
end of the year to do that to make sure

1502
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:17,199
operating and other obligations that we
might have uh were met first. So um the

1503
02:07:14,400 --> 02:07:21,840
board actually directed 1.5 million out
of retained earnings into reserve

1504
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:26,400
positions and then uh in this current
fiscal year um staff will have moved

1505
02:07:24,079 --> 02:07:33,040
about 2.5 million into those reserve
positions as well.

1506
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:37,599
There you can see the 1.5 it it says
resolved because uh uh my computer and I

1507
02:07:35,760 --> 02:07:40,880
are having an argument about when I
resolve it and when I don't resolve it

1508
02:07:39,199 --> 02:07:48,400
and the computer seems to win in the
language department. Um but our cash

1509
02:07:44,719 --> 02:07:52,960
reporting format um uh we do have uh
dollars in the bank. We are still

1510
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:56,800
resolving issues. Now one of the things
I think it's important for the board to

1511
02:07:54,560 --> 02:08:02,719
see as we go through our financials is
that as we close out a year we have to

1512
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:06,960
reconcile through journal entries and
through other movements around the

1513
02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:11,679
financials to satisfy where the dollars
need to be. That's management's

1514
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:15,679
representation. The auditor then audits
management's representation of those

1515
02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:19,040
numbers. So we'll continue to make
journal entries even when the auditor

1516
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:24,159
comes in. Then we work it out with the
auditor where we could have moved it

1517
02:08:20,719 --> 02:08:28,079
here or done that or or moved it uh from
one fund to another or from one account

1518
02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:32,400
to another. So we continue to reconcile
that. We're giving you a a clearer

1519
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:38,320
picture though uh how we make the
sausage uh going through the end of the

1520
02:08:34,400 --> 02:08:42,880
fiscal year. So um what happens next is
we'll do final adjustments on closing

1521
02:08:40,159 --> 02:08:47,040
entries and we'll say all incumbrances
all remittances to the best of our

1522
02:08:44,560 --> 02:08:50,480
knowledge have been completed. Uh those
financials will then be finally prepared

1523
02:08:48,960 --> 02:08:55,199
and turned over to the auditor and then
we go through that process. Any

1524
02:08:52,880 --> 02:09:00,400
questions?
>> Any questions from the board?

1525
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:05,280
» I'm just so glad so many people stuck
around to listen to the financials. This

1526
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:09,280
is the exciting part of it.
Um best part

1527
02:09:06,639 --> 02:09:13,599
» we do put so the public knows we do put
our financials online. You can go to our

1528
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:18,400
p web pages in administration and
finance and we do put these reports on

1529
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:24,320
in their full detail. So if you want
more detail and you're a math geek and

1530
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:29,119
you like it have at it
have some fun with that. So there you

1531
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:32,760
go. Um let's see. I think we have to go
to the next one now.

1532
02:09:43,599 --> 02:09:51,679
Okay. So, this is the first actual uh
official fiscal report for the new

1533
02:09:48,079 --> 02:09:57,040
fiscal year. So, that's the 2627 year.
Um, and we'll go through that uh rather

1534
02:09:54,480 --> 02:10:01,840
quickly because not a a lot of exciting
things have happened so far this year.

1535
02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:07,599
Um, there are two things to note. Number
one, in the first part of our fiscal

1536
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:12,000
year from an operations perspective,
it's very little spending.

1537
02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:17,199
However, also at the beginning of the
year, and you all may face this, the

1538
02:10:14,079 --> 02:10:23,599
larger bills come in. So, the one-time
bills like uh paying debt or uh mortgage

1539
02:10:20,079 --> 02:10:27,199
for for the building. Um your insurance,
we pay it all up front. Th those kinds

1540
02:10:25,760 --> 02:10:31,840
of things. So, we get a lot of that
stuff up front. So cash flow starts to

1541
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:38,079
become more important and for the next
six months you'll hear me talk a lot

1542
02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:44,000
about cash flow dips where we are as a
uh basic understanding the town does not

1543
02:10:40,800 --> 02:10:49,840
really receive its uh cash flow for the
year until around December. We'll get

1544
02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:54,480
quarteries from the state on state uh
dollars and some other things but we

1545
02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:59,679
don't have a real cash flow. That's why
we keep more cash on hand than you might

1546
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:05,119
normally keep.
So, the other thing that I want you to

1547
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:09,440
note in these reports um is that we're
going to emphasize capital spending and

1548
02:11:07,040 --> 02:11:15,520
cash flow because those are big things
in front of us. Um we'll have at least

1549
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:20,239
three million going out the door in
addition to what you would normally have

1550
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:24,400
in capital in the first six months. So
that's a larger number than we're

1551
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:29,119
normally used to for cash flow. So we're
going to talk a lot about that. Uh and

1552
02:11:26,719 --> 02:11:34,159
it's all on capital spending side. The
second thing we've tried to do with your

1553
02:11:30,719 --> 02:11:38,400
financials is tie them to the board's uh
goals and senior leadership has been

1554
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:43,119
working on a strategy and tactics to
achieve those goals. And so you're going

1555
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:47,920
to see the drafts of those into the
financials that we're trying to work

1556
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:52,960
towards working towards your goals uh
that you set back in February. Um this

1557
02:11:50,800 --> 02:11:55,920
is not a process you do once a year. Now
we're going to make it every month and

1558
02:11:54,239 --> 02:12:00,079
we're going to try to tie back to those
goals so the board has a better

1559
02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:03,920
performance idea about where we're at.
Are we making the right decisions as we

1560
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:09,040
move along? So these financials will
start to reflect that. Again, they're

1561
02:12:06,719 --> 02:12:13,840
unodudited. So several goals that we
have here I want to note. I want to be

1562
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:19,599
very clear about this first one when it
talks about the fiscal years of 27 to 31

1563
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:24,400
CIP and it says a geo bond
recommendation. It is staff's position

1564
02:12:22,239 --> 02:12:30,079
that we are recommending that the board
consider a series of financing options.

1565
02:12:28,079 --> 02:12:34,239
We talked about it at our last meeting.
We'll continue to talk about it. There's

1566
02:12:32,159 --> 02:12:38,400
not a decision in front of you yet on
these things yet as the board works

1567
02:12:36,239 --> 02:12:45,760
through that. However, when it comes out
here, what it's telling you is that $14

1568
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:49,119
million over five years uh has a uh an
effect on your cash position. That's

1569
02:12:47,599 --> 02:12:54,239
your savings account. That's how much
you have um in your bank accounts. And

1570
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:58,800
then it also has an effect on tax rates.
It has an effect on operation cost and

1571
02:12:56,639 --> 02:13:02,320
your cash position. So, we want to keep
that in front of you. But that is about

1572
02:13:00,560 --> 02:13:08,719
infrastructure. The majority of those
costs are for infrastructure um for the

1573
02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:12,000
town. So uh for the public's uh
edification, one of your first goals was

1574
02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:15,760
to make sure that we had sound
infrastructure.

1575
02:13:13,599 --> 02:13:19,840
So that's why that sits there. Capital
spending and cash flow focus. That's

1576
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:25,920
part of your economic sustainability,
making sure we have keep our financial

1577
02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:30,159
house in order. Costtoserve analysis. If
you'll recall, we did a cost to serve

1578
02:13:27,920 --> 02:13:35,440
analysis that was internal. The board
then directed to do more. So, two things

1579
02:13:32,960 --> 02:13:40,159
to report out on that. The county in my
discussions with the county manager is

1580
02:13:37,199 --> 02:13:45,599
going to work towards a countywide uh
cost to service. It's been part of a

1581
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:49,679
request by several board members to
include that kind of information in it.

1582
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:54,159
It really requires the county to do
that. They've actually been discussing

1583
02:13:51,679 --> 02:13:57,599
that and want to work that into theirs.
That will be helpful. That means we

1584
02:13:55,679 --> 02:14:02,480
don't study it. They study it. then we
can plug numbers and play. So, uh, but

1585
02:14:00,639 --> 02:14:07,840
we're continuing to do cost to serve
analysis on things like um the the

1586
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:11,280
future five years. We talked to you a
lot about what the last five years were

1587
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:15,679
like. Now, we want to start talking
about the next five years and keep that

1588
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:20,000
as a rolling conversation and making
sure we understand how much it cost us

1589
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:23,599
to serve in the operating lines. And
then, uh, one of the things that you

1590
02:14:21,760 --> 02:14:27,920
folks worked on last time is moving
forward with the police fleet financing.

1591
02:14:25,440 --> 02:14:33,760
I just want to report out that we told
you 4.9, we got 4.65.

1592
02:14:30,960 --> 02:14:38,239
So, we're we're excited about that um
that rate. That's uh saves you money.

1593
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:44,159
So, we're we're looking forward to that.
Um so, in our spending to cash flow,

1594
02:14:41,520 --> 02:14:48,560
this is just helping folks understand
that the board for the next six months

1595
02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:52,079
or so, then you get right into budget,
your goals, and then to budget again.

1596
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:56,079
See, it never goes away, Daniel. It's
it's just it's just part of that ongoing

1597
02:14:54,639 --> 02:15:01,280
conversation. I see the look on your
face. You're excited about this. That's

1598
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:05,920
great. But it's it's part of that. So,
we are going to constantly talk about

1599
02:15:03,760 --> 02:15:10,880
where your financials are and that's
always going to be in front of you. So,

1600
02:15:07,920 --> 02:15:15,360
I'm using uh I have two issues that
we've tried to highlight in this report.

1601
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:21,760
One is short-term. We're in a lull. So
starting around August till about

1602
02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:27,520
December is our lowest cash point. We
burn the most cash. We use the most

1603
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:31,520
cash. We have ongoing outflows of of
monies that happen on a monthly basis

1604
02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:37,440
just to maintain and keep the lights on
and pay people and make sure policemen

1605
02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:41,199
are there to uh patrol and cars work and
folks are out there cutting grass and

1606
02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:46,320
fixing sidewalks, all the things that we
do, providing services throughout the

1607
02:15:42,960 --> 02:15:50,159
town. Uh but this is our lull. This is
our low point. We collect the majority

1608
02:15:48,320 --> 02:15:56,079
of our taxes and the majority of our
finances in December, January, and

1609
02:15:52,560 --> 02:16:00,159
February of any fiscal year. So we have
a cash timing issue that we're paying

1610
02:15:58,159 --> 02:16:05,119
very close attention to right now. We're
working with uh engineering and public

1611
02:16:02,560 --> 02:16:10,320
services on some outflow issues of that
nature uh as they're coming to to you

1612
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:16,320
now. And then we need and want to talk
about more of that long-term uh uh CIP

1613
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:21,440
financing um that the board will deal
with. Remember the board has a plan.

1614
02:16:18,880 --> 02:16:27,679
We're going against the plan. We know
actuals because you've adopted contracts

1615
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:31,280
mostly on transportation issues. So um
we'll talk about that more and talk

1616
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:36,559
about what that means on your cash
position. So that is in your report as

1617
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:41,439
well. uh general fund revenues as you
can see you know we've earned about

1618
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:50,160
143,000
144,000 uh so far that's that's the lull

1619
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:56,399
the outflow is 2.2 2 million. Now,
that's a little higher than usual. We

1620
02:16:52,240 --> 02:17:02,559
did move money uh into CIP positions uh
for um um certain things this year. So,

1621
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:10,359
that reflects is reflected in that norm.
Our normal outflow of cash is about 1.5

1622
02:17:05,519 --> 02:17:10,359
million a month, give or take.

1623
02:17:10,800 --> 02:17:19,120
So, your cash and investments again are
still solid. Um, and we've earned about

1624
02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:22,559
$100,000 in income uh in in investment
income. Now, that's going to become a

1625
02:17:21,040 --> 02:17:27,439
very important thing as you guys
consider cash flow moving forward. The

1626
02:17:24,960 --> 02:17:32,639
money that you have in the bank creates
around 1.2 million a year in incoming

1627
02:17:31,040 --> 02:17:37,280
income,
which is about two cents on your tax

1628
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:42,000
rate. So, the money you have, the money
you have in the bank actually offsets

1629
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:47,120
your cost structure.
So, again, it's unuded. We're moving

1630
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:50,639
forward with this. Uh the council at uh
the board of commissioners, I'm sorry,

1631
02:17:48,800 --> 02:17:54,160
I've worked for councils, boards,
several things over my career. Sorry to

1632
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:59,599
call you a council member. I'll call you
a commissioner from now on out. Um but

1633
02:17:57,519 --> 02:18:04,559
we'll continue the conversation at your
work session and we it's going to carry

1634
02:18:02,240 --> 02:18:09,599
on for a while uh while the board digest
it. And again, I'm always available a

1635
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:13,840
phone call away or a visit away. I'm
always happy to go through any of this

1636
02:18:11,920 --> 02:18:18,319
information with you oneon one if you if
you need any additional uh have any

1637
02:18:16,399 --> 02:18:23,200
additional questions.
So, those are the financial reports. Can

1638
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:28,719
I answer any questions?
>> Any questions from the board?

1639
02:18:25,760 --> 02:18:34,639
» Yeah, I certainly applaud the county
board for doing a cost to serve study

1640
02:18:31,599 --> 02:18:44,399
countywide. That's excellent.
As far as how our existing Waxaw cost to

1641
02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:50,080
serve study plugs in,
uh, do we necessarily have to wait for

1642
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:57,439
them to complete their study or can we
just plug into some numbers for the

1643
02:18:53,679 --> 02:19:02,240
major costs at the county level such as
per student and, you know, wastewater

1644
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:06,960
costs, things like that. We can put some
of those bigger headline numbers in and

1645
02:19:04,639 --> 02:19:11,359
that's about all we could do, but we'll
be happy to do that. You'll hear a

1646
02:19:08,479 --> 02:19:16,559
development report from uh Kevin
tonight. We've been honing in on a cost

1647
02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:21,760
to serve uh five-year scenario model uh
that we'll be able to educate the board

1648
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:25,840
with hopefully by September. So, uh
we've been doing that analysis. We can

1649
02:19:23,679 --> 02:19:30,080
do headline numbers right now. We know
the cost per student, for example,

1650
02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:36,479
that's published. uh we know what those
water and sewer costs are uh headline

1651
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:40,240
but uh until they finish finish we won't
be able to plug anything from them other

1652
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:43,920
than the headline numbers
>> but we'll continue to do that you can do

1653
02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:47,200
that multiplied by a household that kind
of thing

1654
02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:50,560
» u but we'll do the best we can with what
we have um uh that we do know about

1655
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:56,240
right now
>> right yeah obviously it would be

1656
02:19:53,600 --> 02:19:58,880
perfected once the county is finished
yeah

1657
02:19:56,640 --> 02:20:06,319
» but Um,
in the meantime, if we could at least

1658
02:20:01,040 --> 02:20:11,359
have some kind of a um formula that,
you know, and you could even uh look at

1659
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:16,399
some previously approved developments
and see how they shake out, you know,

1660
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:23,840
but for the future if a development
request comes up that staff would have a

1661
02:20:19,520 --> 02:20:28,960
formula to just plug everything into and
get a, you know, pretty good idea of

1662
02:20:26,800 --> 02:20:33,359
what that cost to serve would be.
>> Yeah, we've actually been playing with a

1663
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:37,760
model inhouse uh to figure out the best
model we can use and how it might work.

1664
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:42,000
So, uh that's still in production right
now, but we can certainly consider that

1665
02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:44,880
and and how that might affect something.
So,

1666
02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:48,080
» sounds good. Thanks.
>> Any other questions

1667
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:52,240
as well?
>> Oh, yeah. Thank you. Um always good to

1668
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:57,520
have a tap on the shoulder when you're
up here. I thought it was the chief

1669
02:20:55,280 --> 02:21:02,319
coming after me for something, but it's
nice to know I haven't done anything

1670
02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:07,359
wrong yet. Um, Kevin uh brought up a
good point. Central, we had asked

1671
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:14,319
Central Council of Governments if uh
they would consider uh some cost to uh

1672
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:18,319
service and data modeling from a more
regional perspective that might be of a

1673
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:23,280
help to all of us. and we were one of
four towns that got selected across the

1674
02:21:20,560 --> 02:21:26,880
region to be part of that study. They
also know how far we are with some of

1675
02:21:25,280 --> 02:21:30,880
our modeling and things like that. So,
we're really looking forward to

1676
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:33,439
participating in that uh with them and
that'll be probably about a year-long

1677
02:21:32,640 --> 02:21:37,920
process.
>> Yeah, it's about a year-long process to

1678
02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:41,760
get that together. Um the COG used to be
a data center. Everybody then all of a

1679
02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:48,960
sudden thought they were a data center.
Not the same kind of data center.

1680
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:55,840
um but uh a centralized hub for data on
the regional basis. Uh traffic movement

1681
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:59,920
uh cost cost to serve, cost of roads,
cost of schools, cost of water and

1682
02:21:57,680 --> 02:22:04,319
sewer, all those things that uh really
have a regional uh regional

1683
02:22:01,840 --> 02:22:08,399
interconnection to them and they uh
picked us to be part of that. So we're

1684
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:12,880
excited to be part of that, too. So I
think the board's going to start getting

1685
02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:15,840
a lot more uh robust information uh as
we move through the year. Uh, but that

1686
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:21,040
doesn't excuse you from reading
everything I give you, all 500 pages,

1687
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:26,160
Richard. So, um, and we're g we'll get
those to you, but it's a process going

1688
02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:30,080
through this and I think, um, you all
need to be part of that and and get that

1689
02:22:28,399 --> 02:22:34,560
language and how it moves together.
You're part of a larger region and uh,

1690
02:22:32,560 --> 02:22:40,080
you play a role in that. So, and it
affects you and you affect it. So, we'll

1691
02:22:36,880 --> 02:22:42,160
try to keep that together.
>> Thank you. Thank you.

1692
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:48,720
» Thank you.
Next up, Miss Dina Sinszki,

1693
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:51,720
parks and wreck.
>> Sinsky.

1694
02:22:51,760 --> 02:23:00,040
» Good evening again. I'm your park and
rec director, Miss Dina. I have Oopsie.

1695
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:07,439
» I didn't do anything.
Um, here tonight just give you an update

1696
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:12,319
of all things park and wreck. One, look
at these smiles. Isn't that awesome?

1697
02:23:10,319 --> 02:23:18,399
We've got some new public art at
Kensington and um at Nesbet Park. If you

1698
02:23:15,760 --> 02:23:23,680
haven't seen it, please come by and um
and look, drive, walk, all that good

1699
02:23:21,840 --> 02:23:29,520
jazz. But I want to give a special thank
you to Miss Emily um the Kensington uh

1700
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:35,600
principal Bernardo and his family came
out and took some pictures with us and

1701
02:23:31,840 --> 02:23:41,840
Miss Melissa um and team. Uh we were out
there really early in the morning um

1702
02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:45,439
painting this. Uh it was kind of spooky,
but it was fun too. Got to do something

1703
02:23:43,840 --> 02:23:52,560
creative. So I just want to give a shout
out to the team and more public art to

1704
02:23:49,120 --> 02:23:57,280
come. Give you an update on the action
plan for the skate park. So we had a

1705
02:23:54,640 --> 02:24:05,120
great turnout. I wanted to um give you
some updates on those numbers. Uh 17

1706
02:24:00,560 --> 02:24:09,040
participants online. um 214 on Flash
Vote. So, if you haven't signed up for

1707
02:24:06,720 --> 02:24:14,080
Flash Vote, sign up so you can
participate in these surveys because

1708
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:19,120
they're awesome. Um also, we had over 50
participants in person at the many

1709
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:25,359
feedback areas that we had in person to
go to. Um, the consultant has all this

1710
02:24:22,240 --> 02:24:29,520
data now and they're swishing it up and
going to bring it back to us in about a

1711
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:36,080
month and then give us some renderings
and the data that was collected for us

1712
02:24:32,880 --> 02:24:40,800
to get some eyes on some renderings and
then after we give some more f public

1713
02:24:38,800 --> 02:24:45,760
feedback and then they'll come back um
for us to finish out the plan.

1714
02:24:44,160 --> 02:24:50,800
Okay.
I got a request to give you all a heads

1715
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:55,120
up on what our partnerships um with
Girls on the Run. So, if you're not

1716
02:24:52,800 --> 02:25:01,520
aware, we've been partnering with Girls
on the Run for over 10 years. Um they

1717
02:24:58,240 --> 02:25:10,080
basically do a takeover of downtown. Um
but the key components is the U Ginger

1718
02:25:05,439 --> 02:25:13,359
Snap Race. They go over all the um
registration,

1719
02:25:11,600 --> 02:25:19,359
the participant management, the
volunteers, um and then like the race

1720
02:25:16,560 --> 02:25:25,200
company and all that good jazz. The town
does an incon sponsorship where we take

1721
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:31,439
care of all the event setup, break up um
breakdown, traffic control, signage,

1722
02:25:28,080 --> 02:25:37,920
detours, electrical signs, cones,
barricades, and the public safety part

1723
02:25:33,280 --> 02:25:42,800
of it. Um the main uh departments
involved is uh park and wreck, police,

1724
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:49,600
fire, EMS, and the emergency management
team. The heavy hitters um is mainly

1725
02:25:47,600 --> 02:25:55,439
park and wreck and police just because
it's very hands-on to make sure that we

1726
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:59,680
keep the citizens safe um during this
time during the race. I just want to

1727
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:06,479
give you all a heads up on what our
participations is. And then it is event

1728
02:26:03,680 --> 02:26:14,880
season. We're in it. We're in it to win
it. So, we got coming up um Bugs Life

1729
02:26:10,880 --> 02:26:21,120
that is August the 21st. And then we
roll into Skate um night on September

1730
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:27,760
the 4th. And then 911 Patriots Day is
the 11th. And then the 18th is Jamat

1731
02:26:25,680 --> 02:26:31,920
Tracks. another one. We just had one
last weekend. It was a great success.

1732
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:37,040
Thanks for everybody coming out. But
again, this is almost every weekend

1733
02:26:34,479 --> 02:26:41,200
until the end of December. So, we are in
it. Mark your calendars. If you don't

1734
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:46,000
have one of those handy dandy cards, we
have them at town hall and all of our uh

1735
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:49,439
parks and recck facilities. Please come
and join us and be a part of the

1736
02:26:47,920 --> 02:26:53,920
community.
Any questions?

1737
02:26:52,000 --> 02:26:57,280
» Questions from the board?
>> No.

1738
02:26:54,640 --> 02:27:01,760
» Thank you. Thank you, Miss Dena.
Another fun event season this year. It's

1739
02:26:59,120 --> 02:27:05,720
going to be good,
Mr. Kevin. What do you got?

1740
02:27:09,920 --> 02:27:18,160
Okay. Um, I'm gonna keep this one pretty
short. Um, this is the, uh, executive

1741
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:22,399
summary. I believe you guys should have,
um, the full version in your, you should

1742
02:27:20,319 --> 02:27:27,359
have received that as well. Um, goes
into a little bit more detail. Um, as

1743
02:27:25,280 --> 02:27:31,280
Scott mentioned, not a lot going on
right now. Um, however, we are trying to

1744
02:27:29,760 --> 02:27:34,880
kind of play around with this data and
and and get something that's going to be

1745
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:40,560
useful for us moving forward in several
different ways. Um, I'll run through

1746
02:27:38,000 --> 02:27:43,359
this real quick. Um, we had 11 uh
residential units that were permitted.

1747
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:48,319
We're going to start putting that data
in here for you as well. And for the

1748
02:27:45,120 --> 02:27:52,479
public, anybody watching, um, a unit can
be permitted and can take several months

1749
02:27:50,319 --> 02:27:56,240
to a year more or sometimes never before
it gets built. So, um, we try to

1750
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:00,800
differentiate between that. We had 11
units that were permitted so far in 2026

1751
02:27:59,439 --> 02:28:06,560
through the first two quarters, the
first six months. We had 29 total that

1752
02:28:03,120 --> 02:28:10,160
were built um that residential CO's
units built. Um, so some of those are

1753
02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:14,160
going to have permits from the year
before that are just now being

1754
02:28:11,760 --> 02:28:18,319
completed. Uh, we also had two
non-residential structures completed.

1755
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:24,399
Those are the first two that were COed.
Um, new construction um for this year.

1756
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:30,319
Um, 17.8 8 million. We're up to up to
that so far in 26 and uh 1466

1757
02:28:28,800 --> 02:28:35,760
residential units that are in the
pipeline and projected not yet permitted

1758
02:28:33,120 --> 02:28:40,640
or built.
Most of that you'll see here is

1759
02:28:37,280 --> 02:28:44,800
relatively the same. Um our our pace
right now on the residential side is

1760
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:51,040
below the uh our 10-year quarterly
average. Um significantly below that. Um

1761
02:28:47,920 --> 02:28:54,880
so we are in a a slump uh in terms of
residential construction even though we

1762
02:28:53,200 --> 02:28:59,920
have a record number of units that have
been approved. Um on the commercial side

1763
02:28:58,240 --> 02:29:04,720
uh we also have a vested pipeline that's
several times this year's built total.

1764
02:29:02,240 --> 02:29:08,000
Um overall our our valuations of upfits
and repairs which are all other permits

1765
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:14,720
that we have that are not new
construction. Um we're we're still um

1766
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:20,000
kind of holding steady on that.
Uh the one thing I wanted to do on here

1767
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:25,040
for you um as we kind of continue to
drill down on this a little bit um it's

1768
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:28,560
it's one thing to look at uh what we've
got that's been built. It's another

1769
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:33,600
thing to kind of try to project out
where we're going in the future. Um the

1770
02:29:31,359 --> 02:29:36,720
gray that you see on that chart right
now, that's those are developer

1771
02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:40,240
projections from us talking with the
developers, asking them what they expect

1772
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:45,359
their built up their buildouts are going
to be for the various projects. Um

1773
02:29:42,319 --> 02:29:50,960
there's a more detailed graph uh in your
um in the the total packet uh the the

1774
02:29:48,640 --> 02:29:56,319
full document that you got. Um we took
that we pulled it into this. Um it's a

1775
02:29:54,399 --> 02:30:00,640
little bit scary to look at. U but keep
in mind things rarely ever built out

1776
02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:05,600
exactly like the um developers tell you
they're going to or like people afraid

1777
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:10,720
they're going to. Um we did a regression
analysis

1778
02:30:07,120 --> 02:30:14,319
um for absorption rates of development.
um going back really to the our some of

1779
02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:18,800
our earliest subdivisions in the 60s and
70s. So the line that you see there kind

1780
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:25,040
of refle reflects that rate which is
based on size which is based on um um

1781
02:30:23,040 --> 02:30:29,359
how long the average time on the
different size um developments it took

1782
02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:33,040
to get to build out. And so we think
it's probably a little bit more

1783
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:40,720
reasonable that you would see around 289
to 300 um units um over kind of a max of

1784
02:30:37,920 --> 02:30:44,399
those over the next uh 3 to four years.
Um we do have some other developments

1785
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:49,200
that have been approved that will be
coming into this that are not uh shown

1786
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:53,680
here. So that could go up or down up or
down a little bit, but we don't think

1787
02:30:50,479 --> 02:30:59,000
it's going to be that peak of 600 700
units there at the top.

1788
02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:59,000
Um

1789
02:31:00,960 --> 02:31:07,280
that's kind of reiterated here. The
developer pipeline projects projects a

1790
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:12,319
sharp rebound peaking around 684 units
in 2028. That's nearly 100 units higher

1791
02:31:10,240 --> 02:31:17,760
than what we've ever hit. Um which was
in 2018. Um but when the historically

1792
02:31:14,960 --> 02:31:22,479
calibrated model um we see that being uh
substantially lower. Um the three

1793
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:25,920
largest projects that we have right now,
Emerson Park, Yarborough Farms, and

1794
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:30,960
Adelina are size such a comparable
developments historically took 12 to 17

1795
02:31:27,920 --> 02:31:35,200
years to build out. Uh I believe
Milbridge

1796
02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:41,120
uh it's roughly 2100 units and I think
it took around 19 years in total to

1797
02:31:37,120 --> 02:31:46,560
build out. Um more likely uh to be
finishing in the late uh 2030s than by

1798
02:31:43,760 --> 02:31:51,840
2032. Um, smaller projects tend to have
a little faster turnaround on those. Uh,

1799
02:31:50,080 --> 02:31:57,920
non-residentidential and upits and
repairs. The, uh, vested pipeline, we've

1800
02:31:54,080 --> 02:32:02,479
got 991u, uh, square th,000 square feet.
Um, so a substantial amount of, uh, new,

1801
02:32:00,880 --> 02:32:07,840
uh, non-residential construction that's
in the pipeline.

1802
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:11,680
Um, if it delivers similar pace to 2025,
we would expect commercial and retail

1803
02:32:09,359 --> 02:32:16,560
and service are going to keep leading
um, on construction. industrial uh is

1804
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:20,640
still really underperforming. Um we
haven't really had any of that built to

1805
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:25,280
date um in the last uh eight or nine
years there. Upfits and repairs, we

1806
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:31,120
think those are going to stay steady at
around 8.3 million a year uh in terms of

1807
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:33,840
project valuations.
And then again, we try to provide the

1808
02:32:32,479 --> 02:32:37,520
map with these as well, just to kind of
see where some of the activity is. Um

1809
02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:42,479
your red are your two commercial
buildings that were uh completed

1810
02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:46,080
totaling around 34,000 square feet. Um,
your orange your town homes and your

1811
02:32:44,319 --> 02:32:50,720
yellow are single family detached. There
was only six of those in total for this

1812
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:54,920
quarter. We do expect that will be a
little bit higher next quarter.

1813
02:32:55,840 --> 02:33:00,600
» All righty. Any questions from the
board?

1814
02:33:01,120 --> 02:33:08,080
» Mr. Ferris, what do you have?
>> Uh, a polite request. Um, with the map

1815
02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:11,840
that we're displayed here, the grade
share areas, that is our our Waxaw town

1816
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:15,359
limits. Yes,
>> there are donut holes.

1817
02:33:13,760 --> 02:33:20,080
» There are donut holes. Yes. Yeah.
>> And within those donut holes, uh,

1818
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:24,800
residential and commercial development
has occurred.

1819
02:33:22,560 --> 02:33:29,280
» Uh, yeah, I would believe so. Yeah. In
some of them, yeah. Is there a

1820
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:33,680
possibility that we could also look at
the

1821
02:33:30,960 --> 02:33:38,640
that data uh possibly plugged in where
available and how we look at also the

1822
02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:43,200
absorption rate
>> u when thinking about that because that

1823
02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:48,000
will have a cost of serve an impact
>> as commissioner Dant has point pointed

1824
02:33:45,040 --> 02:33:52,880
out those will have uh an impact on us
as we travel and work on our roads

1825
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:57,120
» and so just would love to be able to
maybe as a supplemental possibly have

1826
02:33:55,920 --> 02:34:01,200
that included.
>> Yeah. So, I I Yeah, I see what you're

1827
02:33:59,040 --> 02:34:05,280
saying there. Um I think um in terms of
the um the development reports simply

1828
02:34:03,120 --> 02:34:08,960
because they're going to the county um
and a lot of that data is going to the

1829
02:34:06,720 --> 02:34:14,399
county um we may not be able to get the
same uh the same exact data that we

1830
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:17,840
produce in some of these. I think long
term and and looking at the impacts and

1831
02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:21,760
everything, especially when it comes to
cost of service, uh we could do more of

1832
02:34:20,160 --> 02:34:26,880
a
uh depending on what data we need for

1833
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:30,720
that, we could do more of a u a service
area, not a ETJ, but a kind of a little

1834
02:34:28,800 --> 02:34:34,640
bit larger area around that would
include some areas outside as well, like

1835
02:34:32,960 --> 02:34:37,600
a you know, with something within a
quarter mile and then all of those uh

1836
02:34:36,399 --> 02:34:41,359
doughnut holes as well, because those
are going to have they're going to

1837
02:34:39,040 --> 02:34:45,359
impact the town. Um, so we could try to
pull data from that as well. Sure.

1838
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:49,760
» Would appreciate it. I know focusing
focusing within our core and our limits,

1839
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:56,800
but then a supplemental so we can
understand how how those

1840
02:34:51,760 --> 02:35:02,560
» not ETJs that and those neighboring uh
essentially donut holes or or impacts

1841
02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:06,560
and how we can we need to possibly
evaluate adjustments.

1842
02:35:04,399 --> 02:35:08,080
» Yeah. Yeah. Kind of a like a sphere of
influence kind of thing.

1843
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:10,160
» Yes, sir.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. We can do

1844
02:35:09,680 --> 02:35:14,960
that.
>> Thank you.

1845
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:21,680
» Cool. Thank you very much, Kevin. Uh
coming up um on Octo August 25th uh at

1846
02:35:19,760 --> 02:35:25,840
6:30 p.m. in the town chambers, we will
have our next work session. Not sure

1847
02:35:24,160 --> 02:35:30,000
what's on that agenda at this point, but
it should be interesting nonetheless.

1848
02:35:28,080 --> 02:35:34,160
And then with that, can I get a motion
to adjurnn?

1849
02:35:32,319 --> 02:35:36,880
» Can can
comments?

1850
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:41,520
» Oh, yeah. I just want to say one thing
about the folks that showed up tonight.

1851
02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:46,560
Uh I want to thank everybody that showed
up like we did before, but also um if

1852
02:35:44,640 --> 02:35:51,600
anybody was here or noticed the crowd,
there was a lot of young people in the

1853
02:35:48,640 --> 02:35:57,120
crowd and I just want to uh pass along
my thanks. I'm sure the rest of the

1854
02:35:53,760 --> 02:36:02,160
board is uh thankful for the community
involvement, especially from our young

1855
02:35:58,800 --> 02:36:08,160
people. and uh some of them spoke very
eloquently this evening and stuck around

1856
02:36:05,359 --> 02:36:14,080
for a really long time and it was really
encouraging to see. And along with that

1857
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:19,840
just want to give a special thanks to
Michael

1858
02:36:15,600 --> 02:36:26,240
uh Kenna that he uh good luck to you on
your endeavors at UNC Charlotte. Um I

1859
02:36:23,439 --> 02:36:31,840
know uh they're they're getting a great
student and a great leader there. So,

1860
02:36:29,040 --> 02:36:37,359
um, uh, you've already raised the GPA
there at that, uh, at that school. So,

1861
02:36:35,760 --> 02:36:46,399
um, and thank you for everything you did
for the city. Uh, I'm not sure uh

1862
02:36:43,120 --> 02:36:52,720
how much uh, you know, being an intern,
you don't get paid much or maybe not at

1863
02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:58,080
all. you were at everything and uh you
know it was just you're

1864
02:36:55,439 --> 02:37:03,280
a great inspiration for the young people
here and for even us old folks that you

1865
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:10,399
know we think we do a lot but we can
always do more. Um and good luck with

1866
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:16,160
your uh your 501c3 your nonprofit that
you manage. So

1867
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:18,658
» I feel bad for your uh municipal
government professor. That's all I'm

1868
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:23,240
going to say.
>> [laughter]

1869
02:37:18,960 --> 02:37:23,240
» to be a fly on that wall.

1870
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:31,920
» Any other comments from the board?
>> Yeah, for those who follow the board of

1871
02:37:29,040 --> 02:37:37,280
education, um,
Commissioner Jim and Yani and I attended

1872
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:44,479
a meeting last week because of concern
and trying to understand why traffic

1873
02:37:40,479 --> 02:37:49,920
directors were removed from the Waxaw
Elementary School. And uh at the board

1874
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:59,439
meeting we saw that they turned down
$3.8 million uh from the county and they

1875
02:37:56,800 --> 02:38:03,439
are saying that they need to save
$200,000

1876
02:38:00,960 --> 02:38:08,319
by getting rid of these traffic
directors. Um I just want to say for

1877
02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:13,439
everyone who's concerned about this that
I'm hopeful that they might reverse that

1878
02:38:11,520 --> 02:38:18,265
decision for that particular school at
least. Thank you.

1879
02:38:16,800 --> 02:38:22,000
Yeah, just to add to that,
[clears throat] we did have a chance to

1880
02:38:19,439 --> 02:38:25,840
meet with them earlier this week, all
parties involved, and they took the time

1881
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:30,800
to listen. The school board took the
time to listen uh to both the town

1882
02:38:28,399 --> 02:38:34,960
leadership, uh Mayor Promwedra and I
were there along with our chief of

1883
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:39,520
police as well as some of our traffic
engineers as well as DOT. They were

1884
02:38:37,359 --> 02:38:45,520
there to basically
recommend we reinstate these traffic um

1885
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:50,560
traffic managers.
um traffic directors. So hopefully

1886
02:38:48,399 --> 02:38:53,040
they'll change their mind. Um but at
this point, all we can do is hope. We'll

1887
02:38:51,920 --> 02:38:58,240
see what decision they make in the
future.

1888
02:38:56,000 --> 02:39:01,359
Any other comments?
All righty then. Let's go ahead and get

1889
02:39:00,000 --> 02:39:03,600
a motion to adjurnn.
>> Motion to adjourn.

1890
02:39:02,319 --> 02:39:05,359
» All in favor?
>> I.

1891
02:39:04,080 --> 02:39:09,080
» We are now adjourned. Thank you
everybody. Have a good night.