board workshop. But
um thank you all for coming. Uh we got
two agenda items tonight for this. Up
first,
Michael. Uh let you take it away. Sounds
good. Uh good evening, guys. Um I'm
Michael. Um the other intern Alana
couldn't be here with us tonight
unfortunately. So I'll be presenting on
both of our behalfs. Um and just we
wanted to start out with like a little
bit of about us. So I'm going to RPI in
the fall which is um for architecture.
And um biggest reason why I was
interested in this program specifically
was because of um the built and envir um
the built environment and the municipal management contain skills that
are pretty relevant to architecture. I
feel like and I know the town works with
architects and people in that kind of a
general space. So I think seeing it from
all sides and not just specifically
architecture was a really important
thing for me to uh glean some um
information on and I really definitely
did that in um this internship. Um and I
feel like the uh built environment and
the complexities of working with it on a
m municipal level um are extremely
important to um any major um in like
sustainability or um community
development. And on Alana, she's going
to um Miami University uh to study uh
geography and environmental science and
she has a um minor in GIS. And she was
really drawn to the internship because
of the uh GI
because she wants to um uh gain
experience in the public sector and um
work in the uh the field which is really
exciting for both of us. Um and then
just like a brief overview of what this
summer we over 250 out inspections uh
which uh included filling out reports
and documentation for each specific out.
Um we performed some swimp inspe site
inspections. We did sewer storm lateral
inspections, downspout inspections, and
then we did a site and conditions
assessment of um properties on like the
waterfront sandbar area of Lake Road and
then created a um executive summary
report of our findings there. And then
we also worked a little bit on some CSC
climate smart community uh research. Um
and then we um performed some research
into the residential um park districts
and license agreements um and created
someformational materials for them for
the uh residents. Um and then Alana also
worked on a mobile uh vendor permit and
conservation board fly.
Um just to start off uh for our alfall
inspection project. This kind of spanned
the entire summer. And um for those of
you who don't know, the outfalls are um
points where um from the storm drains
from the streets in the neighborhoods
drain into uh streams that then connect
to uh places like the Bay or Lake
Ontario. Um and what we're looking for
during these inspections is like basics
um uh conditions assessment like cracks
or rusting or anything that's could go
wrong with the flow of water through
them. and we took pictures of each uh
one that we did and looked at as builts
for the easements of where the town uh
where we could get to access to them
through people's uh yards and and stuff
like that. Um we uh utilize GIS and
survey 123 for our inspections. And as
you can see like from this map, it's a
little confusing. It's kind of um a lot
going on. So we tried to neaten it up a
little
and
an example of like a neighbor
kind of the same after
kind of just like narrowed uh where the
outfalls are, made it more specific for
uh town function.
Um we were uh swiping which are um we
both received our uh 4-hour erosion and
sediment control training um and then we
just kind of went through the town um
and inance with the storm water and
sediment control practices. So we were
looking at street cleanliness, silt
socks, silt fences, uh uh the plant
cover of each of these uh plots and the
concrete wash out areas. And then kind
of similar to that, we did the lateral
and downspout inspections, which um go
to each specific lots. And these are all
both using survey 123, which is kind of
new for the town at this scale where we
uh kind of streamline the process of
inspections a little bit. So that was
and it was pretty help. So, uh, laterals
are just for, um, connecting to the, um,
the storm and sewer mains. And then, uh,
for the downspouts are just on the sides
of the, uh, built on the sides of the
houses that, uh, for our, for water, uh,
rainfall.
And then we also use survey 123 again
for the conditions assessments of Lake
Road. So we took photos and did basic uh
conditions um analysis through the
questions that we had already
established in a form. But using survey
123 really streamline the process for us
and uh we found out where site
conditions were good, site conditions
were bad or poor and this will help uh
in the assessors or um code enforcement
to see what where there code violations
or whether there's room for improvement
on Lake Road. Um and then we of this we
expected 61 properties along the road
and then produced an executive summary
report for the town to use in the
future.
And then for climate smart communities
research, we kind of piggybacked on what
the town has already been doing for that
and kind of addressed some of the town
board uh previous concerns or um and
just kind of helped the town figure out
what to go going forward with this. So,
we figured out that the town had already
completed like 82 to 239 um points
towards the CSSE registration and
certification which we think were on
like the higher end of that. So, we only
need 120 to be bronze certified or
registered and um we kind of also went
through some of the town board concerns.
So, the cost for being involved because
Webster has already completed most of
the necessary actions to be involved. It
would require pretty much no extra cost
for us to register at least. Um and then
that for the extra burden on the town
staff, we've kind of queried other uh
municipalities in the area that are
either registered or certified and most
of them have kind of taken the
responsibility of the task force for the
cse and given it to pre-existing boards
like a conservation board or any other
board they have. And we found that a lot
of the municipality great success with
that. So there wasn't really necessarily
anything any for a lot of grant
applications and a lot of the grants um
were looking for things that made
Webster stand out and one of the things
that they looked at was cse
certification or um
boost our um eligibility for grants in
the future.
Um and then next I kind of uh went
through um because we had some struggles
with uh uh people having like pretty
basic questions about park districts or
license agreements. So, we thought it
would be helpful for the town to create
some brochures or someformational flyers
for the residents to kind of go through
and show uh what these things are
because some most of the residents don't
know they either live in a park
district, they don't know about like the
maintenance information of how that is
and like the kind of tax with that. So,
we thought these were both really
helpfulformational um materials for
residents to kind of gain clarity on
that.
And then Alana worked a lot on the
mobile vendor permit, which we already
have kind of a system for that. But this
was targeted more towards mobile vendors
who want to like pop up on uh town owned
land, public land, and really streamline
the process for uh and set a precedent
for going going forward, what we could
do with uh mobile vendors in the future
that are separate from events or big
widescale food truck um like events. And
then she also worked on a conservation
board flyer because a lot of town
residents may not know that we have a
conservation board or any other boards
for that matter. So we thought that
creating like a basicformational flyer
would be really helpful there. And then
at the end we just kind of want to go
through our highlights. So Alana's
highlights. She said that she gained a
much better understanding of how a
municipality runs and the relationship
between the town and residents. and she
thought it was really interesting to see
all the different departments that work
um together in the town and kind of go
through the day-to-day practices of
municipalities. Um we utilize a lot of
survey 123 which is really cool and
specifically for her cuz she's going
into GIS field. She thought that was
really a like helpful uh thing to glean
some insight on. And then her uh for
professional communications use
formatting the executive summary report
for Lake Road as an example. We did a
lot of those kinds of you know computer
work in the office which is really
information like really helpful for any
other jobs that we have going forward.
Her favorite project was conducting
research on the climate smart
communities program and she also loved
doing the outfalls. She liked looking at
the different um places in Webster cuz
she's not from she's from Victor so she
really liked seeing the you know inner
workings of a town that uh she had a lot
didn't have a lot of information on. And
then for me, I really really appreciated
the different complexities of municipal
infrastructure. For example, we went out
with Keith one day to like go and see
the pave the repaving of Bay Road. And
you don't realize a lot of people don't
realize how much goes into that uh into
the coordination of those like projects.
And that's a pretty small project on the
scale of the town. So seeing how much
comp like how complex all these inner
workings are was really really
fascinating and also got a holistic view
of um coordinating with different
departments and staff through our time
here. So we didn't just you know seclude
ourselves the engineering department
went into planning and zoning and a
little bit of code enforcement and all the other uh staff members that work
here and then also just helped us uh you
know basic office dynamics of you know
working in the office with people work
hours uh this is my first 40hour like
workday that I've done so definitely
like a wakeup call there and then you
know [laughter]
>> workforce skills like you
save that information.
>> It doesn't stop. It only gets worse.
>> Really? Yeah.
>> Yeah. But no, interesting. It was
really, really fun. And um my key
skills, I got introduced to GIS cuz
unlike Alana, I didn't really have a lot
of information in that. So, working with
Brad was really, really cool to get a
little bit of um like dip my toe in the
water there. And then we just kind of
improved our skills that we had like in
Excel and research and compiling data,
which I didn't really have a lot of
experience with Excel either. So having
that um was really really important too.
And then my favorite project was the
outfall project cuz I felt like it
spanned the whole summer and then also
kind of showed an actual uh thing that
we could prevent like present to the
town that would help you know in the
future with GIS uh researcher formatting
and survey 123 was a really big help
with that. And then I really really
liked application to like Webster
specific um town projects like the seven
brewer anything like that cuz I'm from
Webster. So seeing the inner workings of
the town specific stuff was really interesting and really really eye
opening to me cuz I didn't really
realize any of this was happening
before. Um and then attending the town
board meetings was really really
rewarding because we got to see what we
worked on in the office or heard about
in the office come to fruition or um
come to be presented to you guys which
is really really cool. Um yeah and I
think if there's any questions and I
think then I'm I'm done. Thank you guys
so much for the opportunity. Thank
everyone here for the opportunity for
this summer. It was a really really
great experience.
>> Thank you.
>> I don't really have any questions. I
just want to thank you for all your
efforts and we've been um utilizing
interns for a few years and um while you
may benefit from it, I know the town
benefits a great deal. um like with your uh your outfalls and updating the GIS system is
a tremendous feat. So, you should be
very proud of what you've done. Um both
of you to
>> Hey, covered a lot of ground.
>> And I live right I grew up right down
the street from Michael Drive.
Yeah, I know a lot of the staff is
already going through intern withdrawal.
So obviously you guys made a very big
impact
>> on the out outfall project. What was
your most interesting executive summary
from that?
>> Uh we didn't we kind of just compiled an
Excel spreadsheet of all. Um so we have
the list of the uh where they are in
terms in terms of the neighborhoods and
then this basic conditions assessment of
those and we have to do those every 5
years. So there wasn't really like big
executive summary or like um like
conclusion from that. It was just
something that we had like routinely had
to do which was it was cool.
>> Did you find any issues? Were there any
major defects or things that needed to
be addressed in
>> Yeah, it looked like one of the maps
there was a lot of like discrepancies
between
>> Yes or no before. [laughter]
>> For the record, the answer is no. And
moving on,
>> we didn't see a lot of issues just like,
you know, some rusting in some areas and
some outfalls, but nothing major that
would have impacted the water flow of
anything. So yeah, it was generally
pretty good.
>> What can make this intern experience
better next year for future people?
>> That's a good question. Um I don't know.
I think that um from previous years
we've heard that the interns kind
is good, but I also really important to
kind of get the different departments.
So, we kind of branched out a little bit
this year, but I also think that going
with like, you know, code enforcement or
going to see uh site inspections would
be really really um cool and interesting
to see. So, I don't know kind of just
broadening the like continually
broadening the uh scope of what the
interns do,
the things that they uh activities that
they perform would be really really
interesting. So, you guys are doing a
great job.
>> Would it be interesting for your
internship perspective to like see other
departments like highway or sewer or
police? Would that understand the scope
of the municipality for your engineering
work?
>> I think so. Yeah. I think um having
given the uh interns more opportunities
there would be really really cool and um
we did kind of go to the highway
department and the sewer department
toward those and we had some like you
know interactions with Pat and the guys
over at the sewer department. So I think
you like continually broadening that and
getting more experience that way was
really really good. But other than that,
there's really um I can't really think
projects and I think that's really helpful.
>> Okay. Well, if either of you think of
something, please let us know
>> so we can always to John's point, keep
improving this process, keep making it
better.
>> Definitely
>> because we're old now and you're young.
Finance could be another area of having
an intern where you can go through
because it's like the budget cycle is
happening during the summer and that
would be a great opportunity to
>> work with every department and and get
somebody with the
>> but that might be a uh an accounting
intern as opposed to an engineering one.
So you're you're trying to steal you're
trying to steal work for my accounting
undergrads here essentially, right?
>> Well, I think can can you do both? You
can always
>> We might need to expand the hours per
week from 40 to 50 though. [laughter]
>> 55 60
shaking his head. No, no, no.
>> Michael, thank you so much and thank you
for presenting tonight. That's not easy
to do. Um, and I'm sorry that you were
kind of left alone to do it, but working
through Thank you so much for what you
could.
Um, so just it's uh I'm sure it was eye
opening for you and I think more younger
folks kind of need to get a picture as
to how a municipal government works
because it's it's different.
>> That was great.
>> So who who did you report to, by the
way?
>> Was that who who did the interns report
to? Who did we report to? Report.
>> Who was your boss?
>> Let's see. Um, they were kind of all our
bosses. I would say we've reported
mostly to uh Mark and Josh,
which was really great. They were really
great mentors and they really helped
through uh the process a lot and um
really helped keep us going through the summer. So, really appreciate that
for
>> Well, that's why I asked the question
because I want to make sure that uh the
two of you are recognized for keeping
these young interns on schedule and
making sure that they're doing something
that's going to benefit the town's host.
Thank you both of you. Also,
>> I also want to shout out Erica too and
every honestly everyone. There's a lot.
There's Brad, Erica, Keith, every
everyone was so helpful. So, it wasn't
just them, but yeah, it was a pretty it
was a pretty big group effort.
>> Well, that's fantastic.
>> Good to hear. Thank you.
>> And good luck going back to school.
>> Thank you.
>> Yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. Up next, uh the reason why we
started early is uh we are going to be
going over the presentation for the
state environmental quality review for
the Webster Transportation
Infrastructure Project. And we want to
make sure we have enough time uh to get
through this done thoughtfully and
purposefully um and do it right. So we
have town engineer Keith Mortimer will
be presenting and uh to answer questions
uh afterwards we have him we have
members of Kostich here and Lean Kimber
we now Keith before you start because
you've got a bunch to go through do you
want us to ask as you go or do you want
us to wait and ask at the reference?
Um,
I would say let's ask
as we go.
>> Okay.
>> I think that's the best way to address
this.
>> Thank you.
>> All right. So, uh, tonight um on our
agenda is the uh next part of the uh EAF
process as part of Seeker. Um, and it's
the the fun uh full environmental
assessment form part two. Um, this is
going to be where, [clears throat] um,
as a lead agency, you're going to sort
of take an inventory of all the
potential resources that could be
affected by the, uh, project, which is
the Webster transportation
infrastructure project. And then at the
end of this, um, the lead agency will
have the ability to, um, identify the
relevant environmental areas that may,
um, or may not be impacted by this
project. and we'll walk through through
about 20 sections here very um
expeditiously. Um there are probably six
um specifically that we want to focus
on. Uh and uh we'll get started, but
just to kind of get your head around
where we're at and take an opportunity
to present this project to both uh the
town board again as well as the
community.
So just this is the Webster
transportation infrastructure project.
Um, it was a project that was born out
of a a grant that we received of about
$9.3 million through Fast New York. It
does include projects that are both in
the um town of Webster and the village
as well. Um, the town components are
actually the Chyota Drive extension and
the Bolter Industrial Parkway um
extension. There is also a multimotal
trail system um that will be going along
a portion of Phillips Road. Uh and then
there is some streets that are under the
jurisdiction of Xerox which will um be
ultimately dedicated uh to the village
after this uh project is completed. At
the very bottom of uh the slide here, we
[clears throat] do show a very very high
level um project schedule. we are
squarely in the middle um towards the or
even maybe a little bit past the middle
of um detailed design. Um hence why
we're where we're at tonight with this
part two. Um we are intending to take
design um near the end of this year. Uh
we hope to start bidding this project
again in the last month or um month and
a half of the year. So somewhere around
December um with an ideal construction
start of um in early 2027.
Right.
All right. So let's So in your packet um
earlier
there were two pieces of information.
One is called the full environmental
assessment form. See if I can make this
a little bigger.
[cough and clears throat]
And the other is actually what we call
um some supplemental responses to help
guide um why we answered the things the
way the way maybe we did. Again, this is
draft um in its nature, but it has been
pre-filled out based on the um both the
village, the town as well as our design
team's um input and assessments. So, to
help guide through this process, like I
said, there are 20 categories. Um 14 of
these categories have um actually very
little or no um aspect to the project
itself. and six of them may have um some component of impact that we want to
talk to. So the first is impact to land
use. I think [clears throat] this is
somewhat um to be understood that we are
um extending some roadway sections.
We're actually doing some project work
um both in the town and the village. It
will have some impacts. Specifically um
they do call out here um uh does the
proposed action um may involve
construction of land where depth of
water table is less than 3 ft. We um
conducted a thorough um evaluation of
the water table and there was only one
um location near Salt Road where we felt
we may have it was deemed wet. Um but
that was at a depth of three feet. Um
and we do not believe that we will be
getting anywhere close to that
particularly in that area of of the
project which is over which will be the
Bolter Industrial Parkway project. We
will keep all of our work above above
that that three-foot um or that water
table location. So you know there we're
showing that we're going to have no or
small um impact
The other one that kind of led us to a
yes on this situation is the proposed
action which is C proposed action may
involve the construction of land where
bedrock is exposed or generally within 5
ft of the existing ground. Again from
our test pits in our our core our test
pits we did identify um a couple of
locations where the bedrock is somewhere
in the 4ft range. Um again, this is over
near the Bolter Industrial um parkway
component. Um and our design will work
to uh be above all of that and not
impact that bedrock. So again, um no or
small impact there. And then finally the the third thing that kind of maybe
um lent us to saying yes to this was uh
e the proposed action may involve
construction that continues for more
than one year or multiple phases. So we
do envision that this will be a very
expedited project. We are hoping that um
actually we will bid all of these
components of at the same time. We
envision that they'll overlap. We think
we can get our best pricing that way as
well. So, um do we think that it could
extend out beyond a one-year time frame?
Absolutely. Um we do have a very um specific um agenda to get
Bolter extension done within the year
that we bid the project, but everything
else should then follow shortly
thereafter. So,
>> a quick question on Bolter.
>> What did your core samples reveal on uh
on Bolter Industrial Parkway? Because
>> I think it goes through next to the
stadium and then extends out.
>> Um
>> I'm not sure that that that that roadway
was when it was originally constructed
was constructed
um to New York State specifications.
Right. Right.
>> So, I imagine if that's correct that,
you know, you're going to have to
reconstruct that. And I don't know, you
can help me out with this if that was in
the original plan to do the
reconstruction. If not, have you
surmised what the additional cost is
going to be for that?
>> Yep. So, we we did um as part of this
project, we did take some cores on that
road. So we do know and we know that
it's not up to a um a standard that with
that will
the long run
service the that will that will
it was not included in the in the grant
application. So it's not a cost that and
nor is it a design component of this
particular project.
We have um we are working with right now
to at least
identify a a long-term
budgeted cost estimate. We don't have
that quite established yet. Um but as
part of um when we're working out our
capital projects here in the town, that
will be something that will roll up into
that um into that cap that planning
process. But I would expect that we'll
have to address this within
say two to three years of the opening of
the extension.
>> Okay. So just so I'm understanding of
this. So if
additional costs are going to have to be
made to bring that up to you know New
York State DOT code or standard that the town has to bear the cost on that or
is it or is it
>> I would think that either the town or we
will look for other funding
opportunities through grants. I worked
I've already reached out to Maria about
this as well to start looking for other
opportunities there.
>> Okay. Thanks. Sorry to interrupt.
>> No.
>> Yeah. I mean, you know, John, my
understanding is there's some county
road money that could be possibly going
after, but now that Bolta Road is not
going to be a county road,
>> correct?
>> So then we have to look for other
things. So Keith, is there a a new
expanding?
>> Well, I mean, is this
>> just other other costs that are going to
come under the town's burden to bear? Is
this the first of
>> will be one of many?
>> That's what I wanted to know. Thank you.
One of many. Yep. I'm
>> good answer.
>> Uh uh Paul has already he's on me
already. I've already missed my homework
due date with getting him his capital
budgeting
information. I am but we are working on
that. So yeah, there'll be um impact to
geolog geological features and this is
um
we'll just read result in a modification
or destruction or inhibit the access to
a unique or unusual land form or um on
the site. They have some examples there
of cliffs, dunes, minerals, fossils and
caves. We do not have any of that here
on our project.
Um impact to surface surface water. All
right. So, this is a fun one, right? Um,
we are, um,
our primary impact, if you will, is that
we do need to put in a culvert. Um, this
is a culvert, um, over near Chyota and
Panama. Um, and it is part of the
extension of the Pan uh, of the Chyota
Drive. So, it is a we do have a culver
going in. Um and when we evaluate that
it's
um construction the design and its
construction we'll we are doing
everything um necessary toize the
impacts whether it's um sedimentation
um you know flow um you know what other
um issues that we might encounter when
it comes time to to install that
culvert. So we recognize that we do
impact it naturally by putting in this
culvert, but we also understand um what
we need to do to um mitigate those
impacts and those impacts will be you
know well or that mitigation will be
well stipulated to whatever contractor
that that gets this project as well. So
when we go down through all of these
items here, we then start showing up as
them being either um minimal or no
impact to the uh the impact to the
surface water. Interesting enough, the
stream that we are going to be um having
to uh it actually will get rediverted
slightly and then pl brought back into
its new alignment. Um it is a type
C stream. Um, and it is not a stream
that is regulated by the DEEC. So, we
we're we're clear of that. The culvert
itself and the work associated with it
is um something that the Army Corps of
Engineers has purview over. We have our
permit and design materials into them
right now and we're just waiting for
their feedback on that permit and we'll
take that into account um as part of our
uh follow-up design work.
Okay. Impact to groundwater. Um we don't
envision getting into any groundwater
issues out there. Uh we won't and this
would be any supply wells. Uh anything
like that. We don't have any um
potential for that on this project.
Impact of flooding. We're not in a flood
plane. We don't envision um impacting
any kinds of of or or exacerbating any
kind of flooding issues. Um I will
indicate that we are this culvert in
particular that's kind of drives a lot
of this is um being designed
um over capacity slightly so that we are
taking into so we are taking into
account sort of a more worst case
scenario.
All right impact to air and climate.
Again this is a no. Um there's nothing
about this project that should
substantially increase um air pollution
um as part of of of the general use of
what we're doing out there.
Impacts to plants and animals. Okay. So
this is a
this is also kind of what we call in
your supplemental material on pages
three or four at the bottom a proposed
action as a results of loss of flora or
fauna. We did say yes because just in
natural we are extending two roadway
systems through what is now um um vacant
land if you will. But as part of that um
we indicated under part one um is that
there is no identified there are no
species of rare or threatened or
endangered of any type in this area
um and there was no special concern or
conservation need within the project
limits. So in that we recognize that we
are you know we are going through some vacant land but we have not there
are no identified endangered species or
anything that we would be impacting or
impacting their habitat.
>> Quick question.
>> Yep.
» How do you make that determination?
Someone do site visits um gathering
information
>> that is yeah it's established
information through the DEEC and we do
that. We go through essentially that's
the that's your first step is to walk
through go to the DC and and look for
those habit they have that all
categorized and listed out for us.
>> Okay. I was just curious.
>> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Um I do stipulate though
we are as part of the Chyota Drive
project.
Um there is going to be um a relocation
of the trail that leads from roughly the
rec center to 250 which then turns into
the bird song trail. We have also been
working with the friends of Webster
Trail on that realignment um and been
taking in their input and feedback and I think we're in a good spot. They've
we've met a couple of time with them,
couple times with them, showed them a
couple different alignments. We've got
some agreement to that. So, um and and
as part of our project, we've we've
indicated that, you know, they have a
character that they'd like to maintain
along that trail system. So, we're going
to work with them as well as probably um
add some dollars into our an allowance
into our our construction costs to
um identify
reveation where necessary to help that
trail make that new trail system reflect
the current character of the existing
trail system.
>> Thank you. That's important.
>> And and with that, are are the friends
doing the new trail or is the
construction project creating that
trail? That's part of our project. So,
the construction project will um the
this project will be responsible for the
relocation of that trail system.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
>> Yep.
All right. Moving on here.
Uh impacts to aggro uh agricultural
resources. Um we've got none of that
here in the area of this project.
um in impact to aesthetic resources. So
again, land use for the proposed action
obviously different from or what is in
the shape or contrast to the current
land use patterns between the proposed
project and the scenic or aesthetic
resource. Again, we felt this is a we're
not having an impact on this. It's we
are working within an urban environment.
Um what we're doing is not out of
characteristic for what you would expect
to see in this environment. And as I
mentioned in particular, the the trail
system is is probably one of the key
components that we want to make sure
we're uh maintaining character and form
and and function for
uh impact on historical and
archeological resources. Again, this is
a no. Um and this is this comes straight
out of um the New York State uh the
Shipo if I knew what ship there it is.
the state historic preservation office.
They sent us a letter uh confirming that
we are not um impacting any historical
or archeological resources.
Um impact on open space and recreation.
Again, no. Um all of this is uh
occurring within an urban environment.
Um, again, probably the only the only
big impact to this was going to be the
trail. And again, we are that trail
system is part of our our project.
>> And and Keith, with that for the Bolter
Road extension, how much forest and
green space is really being
removed as part of this?
>> So, total between Chyota and Bolter,
it's a little over four acres in total.
>> Okay. Um the split between that
probably
three to one. Three being the uh bolter
would you say? I'm getting a resounding
yes back from the back of the room. So
yeah, it's about a one to three. So
Chyota is going to um impact about an
acre of of land and the bolter extension
is about three acres. Okay.
>> Plus or minus.
>> Yeah. And you know over then the Bolton
extension you know as much as we want to
preserve what we can it's not
necessarily critical
>> old growth vegetation.
>> Yeah that's open yeah open land it's yeah previous Xerox
>> property um
>> yeah I I don't think we're
>> um you know yeah I understand the
preservation of open space and green
space. I don't know that that's a
>> that's right I agree with you like it's not a
This project is very beneficial to
Webster for its long-term economic
growth
>> at the tradeoff of not pristine or huge
some huge ecological resource over
there,
>> right?
>> That makes it
>> Yep.
>> We're always going to face this.
>> Yep. Yep. That Yeah. And that's the
balancing act.
>> Um impacts to critical environmental
areas. So, we've uh said no to this. Um,
we don't see any of those based on the
definitions of of what's being
considered a critical environmental area
as as being impacted.
Um, impact on transportation
just by the nature of this project. Yes.
Um, but of course what we're planning to
do is all to the benefit of the network
and the transportation the
transportation network. Um there are
questions here that discuss um you know
we aren't we don't this project starting
with a isn't
generating new traffic. It's only
redistributing and providing other means
of access to the area.
Um
the
there a degradation in existing transit
access at this point. you know, none of
this network seems to have any transit
um access at the time. So, that's
certainly a a null.
Uh proposed action will degrade the
existing pedestrian bicycle
accommodations. Actually, this project
will improve those accommodations. Um
this um project has a lot of multimodal
um pathways um along much of of the the
new infrastructure. So we feel that
we're actually you know if this could be
if that could have said I mean maybe we
could have said yes to that actually
because we are improving the uh the
accommodations quite significantly as
part of this project which was also a
driver of the grant. Um proposed action
alter the present pattern of movement of
people or goods. Well naturally we would
expect people to utilize the
infrastructure that we put forward. Um
certainly for the Bolter uh extension,
we absolutely want to encourage that so
that we are getting the larger vehicles
that are now going to Basket Road um
over to the Salt Road and get to the
Salt Road interchange with 104, which is
a much safer interchange for those
larger vehicles to be using.
Um impact on energy. We saw no sun
nothing coming of this project that
would uh change up the energy use in the
area.
Impact to noise, odor and light. This is
the project itself once it's in
functioning order won't have an impact
but certainly during construction we can
expect that there will be um noise, odor
and light. Um certainly we will work
with the contractor when we get into
construction about how we mitigate those
things. Um and a lot of that will just
will occur from the from the sheer fact
that they can only be doing work during
certain times of the day and certain
days of the week.
>> And Keith of that I'd imagine in terms
of noise it it's kind of relevant
because the noise when Xerox was
operating at full capacity is probably
way noisier than it will be.
>> Busier. Yeah.
And noisier too than how many thousands
of people
>> you probably remember.
>> And and the nice thing about this is the
area
>> busy. Not noisy though. Xerox wasn't
noisy.
>> Busy. Not noisy.
>> Okay.
>> The I I will say and the area the
general area around here is not
substantially residential where we're
working where our work is occurring
properly, you know. So I we we're well
away from those kinds of
>> and there's there's no right there's no
plans to make those areas residential
either there would be a problem would
there be
>> I mean I'm not aware of any specific
plans within the immediate future you
know not not within the the the timeline
that this project will be under
construction
>> in the immediate vicinity. Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're
planning on getting in and out of here
in less than two years. So
>> nice. Good. That's our
um
impact on human health. So we checked
yes [clears throat] to this um but to to make it clear that this project
is well aware of the environmental
concerns and issues that surround and we
know that we're working in areas where
you know certainly Xerox has various
have a lot of um management plans and
we've been working with Xerox very
closely about what those are, how we um
work through those, work around those. I
mean, it is it was as minute as where we
could take cing and if we came across
certain types of soils or things that
looked a certain way, you know, how that
stopped and how we had to address those
situations. So the good thing
to acknowledge we're working in a in an
area where there is you know um some
environmental concerns from the Xerox
perspective from all of our work. Our
work isn't in any of those zones that
they've identified as being truly
contaminated as I guess how I'll put it.
Um they are there on their campus right
yellows and reds and things like that.
Um also our cores um that the cing that
we did none of themated
in any areas that we're going to have
we're in a in a contaminated zone. So we
know very and we know very well um you
know when it comes doing deep
>> and so Keith that it was you know it was
my understanding it was explained to me
that with that this project is this form
is tailored to just we're doing the
roads.
>> Yeah.
>> So all that stuff even though if it may
be true overall that's not we're doing
here. This is very focused to just these
redoing these roads or putting some new
roads in.
>> Full stop.
>> Right.
>> Other stuff valid but not impacted here.
>> Right. Right. Yep. Yep. Right. Exactly.
>> Perfect. Thank you.
» All right. Then I think we get into some
no here. So consistency consistency with
community plans.
This is kind of a double no situation.
So we are um so the proposed action is
not consistent with adopted land use
plans. So we're saying no to this. We
are consistent. It took about
two planners, four engineers to figure
out how to answer this question.
[laughter]
We It was a Yeah. Uh consistency with
community character. The proposed
project is consistent with the existing
community character.
>> Inconsistent.
>> It is,
>> but it's a no.
>> And you can see like once again, they
went from like the double negative to
inconsistent. Yeah. They could have been
like, now that you figured out the prior
17, they could have let you be like, all
right, I know the answer.
>> Yeah. Could I move on?
>> Yeah. Now they're like, let's let's
change the words here to make this now,
>> right?
>> Equally confusing,
>> right? Again, four engineers, two
planners,
couple other people, and we had to
figure out how to answer these
questions.
>> Um impact on disadvantaged communities.
No. Um this was pretty straightforward
response.
And then finally, future physical
climate risks. Um, the proposed project
may be vulnerable to future physical
climate risks or increase the
vulnerability of human or ecological
communities to the future of physical
climate risks. And we said no, that this
is a strictly a road project and we are
not doing anything uh above and beyond that that would send us into a
risky situation.
All right.
>> So, you guys have just gone through
parts.
>> So exciting. Thank you, Keith.
>> I know.
>> Nice.
>> How many? Very thorough.
>> How many more do we have left?
>> You have just this one. This is all This
is what I needed to present with you
tonight. Um I believe our next steps
will be um this helps you assess and
understand the impacts of the project.
Um on the 3 there will be a resolution
um for the board to make aation
um on this project as the lead agency.
>> So when you envision the RFP being sent
out
>> the project
well I don't know if we've gotten that
far yet with completely understanding
how we if we would break up the project
or not. Um,
but RFPs will go out, I'm going to say
December,
beginning in the beginning part.
>> Okay. I appreciate you bringing up the
potentially breaking up the project
because it's my understanding that if
you break it up or it's already been
broken up that the money's allocated to
that aspect of the project. If you don't
do it, you can't shift that money to
another aspect. You are correct.
>> Another area of the of the project.
>> Yes, you are correct. Yeah, we are we
are beholden to sort of the the groups I
call them of monies as they're you know
are categorized within the within the uh
um within the grant. So I I mean I I
think it would be the my personal bector
that was doing all of it. Um only
because it would give us a consistency
across people dealing
with.
We'll have to kind we're gonna have to
have discussion that about if this break
it up and do the you know does the the village road
similar component um and how that works
and the
component
nature in construction
uh scope so but we have to yeah more to
>> I I I agree 100% with you
from the aspect of having one contractor
because then you do have consistency
which and cons
very important.
>> Yep.
>> So certain aspects of the project don't
get siloed and you're doing you have the
same general contractors overseeing the
subcontractors. I think that's very very
important.
>> Yeah. Well, if I understand what I'm
hearing,
>> it's also very important for the funding
because losing any part of the grant
funding because something changed along
the way is quite risky.
>> No, I you're 100% right and which is why
I'm very concerned
and
that show it's not to the standard it
needs to be and if you have to dig that
up and put new base stone and that you
And I don't even know if curbing is
required for that roadway because I
don't believe there currently is any
curbing.
>> So it it could be very very expensive.
>> Well, so uh just to be Yeah, just I
guess just to clarify. So the B
only up to the point where that roadway
starts, right? Y
>> so a future project in the near future
I' needs to be developed or or needs to
be thought about um for the rest of that
and again that's the planning that needs
to be
>> started
now what those costs are um and again
we've got a we've got a design team with
us that's you know able to help us start
that planning process and give costs
what we're in for and what we need to
deal with here in the next two or three
years.
>> Well, it's good to you're ahead of it
though. That's
>> Yeah,
>> today I am. [laughter]
>> And you had mentioned the uh Army Corps
of Engineers. We're still waiting on
them for the Culveride that do we have
to delay? I would say that what we're
waiting for them to come back with is a
um concurrence
um andor feedback with concurrence on
how we're proceeding with crossing this
stream.
But the fact that we're going to move
forward with a project that ultimately
has to cross the stream to make it work,
you know,
understanding that we're we're doing
everything we can to impact that stream
and do processes and that will will will
minimize
eliminate any of say no. I would say
we're safe to go forward with a with a
declaration at that point.
>> Okay. Thank you.
>> The traffic study in there and a lot of
this is fair life traffic.
I would say.
>> Okay.
>> No. Um, so we did the trip generation.
Um the what we we we took the BOA that's
been approved this area
made some some high level assumptions
with our traffic team our traffic analys
um based on what was identified for that
BOA. So it includes some mixed use, it
includes, it includes some housing, it
includes some I think some recreational
things. Anything that was in that BOA,
we tried to take into account in a on a
high level develop
trip generation or traffic for
that to um assessment.
So certainly and fair life is the most
specific that we know. Right.
>> And that's clear that's clear into like
we know that that's not a like
hypothetical like 1100 apartments might
go in there theoretically.
>> Right. Right. And we reconfirm with
Fairlife. So a traffic study was done as
part of their environmental um impact
statement going through this this same
process that we're going through here
tonight.
We took their information that they used
um and reverified with them to make sure
that there wasn't anything like oh you
saw an
uptick in
one type of traffic or another type of
traffic or something's changed that you
know may have you know may have evolved
as part of their project and uh they
came back and um
actually they came right in and said it
was either what we had was was um right
on target.
>> So that with that the bolt for the
current planning, right?
>> Yeah. For well and we also we know too
that like we think the bolter extension
will be very popular for when the ball
fields are in um use, you know, we
understand that that uh you know that
those get quite heavily very popular.
Um,
you know, we've we've taken we've gone
as far with our our um with our design,
I can tell you on the Bolter extension
that we could either discourage people
from parking along the edge of that road
because been a
herb
could have made it a a um a uh a
shoulder that could withstand having
vehicles parking along it and parallel
parking. So, um just knowing parking in
is a premium and the popularity of those
ball fields and stuff, we chose to go
with the route of we'll work with we'll
work with the devil we know and we'll make it accommodatable for for
vehicles to park along the edges of
Bolter.
>> Okay. Because we're thinking there won't
be much truck traffic during ball game
time then.
>> I mean I there
would be there's trucks going in and out
of there.
>> Yeah, I I'd have to look back at what
their you know I think their peak
periods are and actually I think their
periods of of tractor trailer traffic
are slightly off from commuter pe
periods and stuff as well. But I it's
pretty consistent
>> traffic is there while they're trying to
use those fields as a
>> Yeah. Well, and and here's the other
thing is the the school district which
we are working with as part of all this.
They also have intentions of building um
relocating some of their
well off road as well.
>> Okay, good.
>> So they have their own M plan will
working with and so we're just trying to
make sure that we are also in
conjunction with them in accom
>> projected traffic flow and pattern and
use for the Chyota drive extension,
>> you know.
I don't have the traffic study in front
of me here, right? [laughter]
Is it in our stuff? Is it in our stuff?
>> It may have been in our stuff. Yeah.
I think it is. I But I um
>> it's not
>> And you can get back You can get back to
me if you want.
>> Yeah, I Yeah, I could I Well, I could
tell you this.
>> The envision for that is very is local,
right? A lot of local traffic. I don't
It's not envisioned to be thousands of
vehicles a day kind of a thing. and the
way and the character of that roadway
and the way we're designing that we it's
to be a village feel, right? It's not to
have a it's not to be felt like it
should be used as a a collector or or
something like really just to support
the local transportation network. It's
not a and it's to have more of a village
feel from the village into
and vice versa.
Any other thoughts? Just curious. Yeah.
Thank you.
>> So, this question is is me getting down
in the weeds, and I apologize for it. If
you can't answer, I completely
understand.
>> I got people here in the room that might
help me.
>> There we go. Call them up.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But given the magnitude and the weight
of the trucks from Fairlife that are
going to be servicing that road. I guess
my question is, are we designing that
road to hold the capacity?
>> Yes. long term given the weight of these
trucks and the volume of these going
» since that's the main driver for doing
this.
>> So we you know Yes. And and we are
designing
>> um Yes. not not only the the actual
structural uh capacity of the road but
also the um curb radiuses say to
accommodate you know those vehicles. So
uh a northbound
>> truck on Salt Road making that right
turn um you know that curb rate if you
look at the plans and you're like wow
that's kind of funky the way that curb
is there. Well, it's there purposely
because
>> that tractor trailer has a certain
turning radius that needs to be
accommodated.
>> And the lucky and we're and a lot of
that is
>> um we've mimicked exactly what was done
as part of the ta uh table road
reconstruction project. So we have a lot
of good experience that that geometry
that's being accommodated for table road
from basket we now are just translating
that down to salt.
>> Okay.
I I just asked that question because I
know there's there's a there's a village
um about an hour from here where they
redirected 18-wheeler trucks from going
down a certain street for decades and
then for some reason
they took a sign down and trucks have
just torn up that street and it's one of
the main arteries in that village.
>> Yeah.
>> So I that's what kind of prompted that
question but it's a great answer. I'm
glad that they're going down that route
to uh design
taking into consideration.
>> Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.
>> The number and weight of the vehicles.
>> Yep. As Councilwoman Wright said, that's
kind of our purpose here for a lot of
this. So,
>> why we're here.
>> Yep. Yep. [cough]
[clears throat]
>> All right.
>> That's all I had.
>> All right. Yeah. Keith, thank you for
you guys.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank my the team in the back, too.
>> To your team.
>> They're the brains. Really?
>> Yeah. No, they've done a terrific job.
So, uh I will close up the uh town
workshop and I will see you back 7:30.