[3:06] board workshop. But
[3:09] um thank you all for coming. Uh we got
[3:12] two agenda items tonight for this. Up
[3:14] first,
[3:20] Michael. Uh let you take it away. Sounds
[3:24] good. Uh good evening, guys. Um I'm
[3:26] Michael. Um the other intern Alana
[3:28] couldn't be here with us tonight
[3:29] unfortunately. So I'll be presenting on
[3:31] both of our behalfs. Um and just we
[3:34] wanted to start out with like a little
[3:35] bit of about us. So I'm going to RPI in
[3:37] the fall which is um for architecture.
[3:40] And um biggest reason why I was
[3:41] interested in this program specifically
[3:43] was because of um the built and envir um
[3:46] the built environment and the municipal management contain skills that
[3:50] are pretty relevant to architecture. I
[3:52] feel like and I know the town works with
[3:54] architects and people in that kind of a
[3:56] general space. So I think seeing it from
[3:58] all sides and not just specifically
[4:00] architecture was a really important
[4:01] thing for me to uh glean some um
[4:04] information on and I really definitely
[4:06] did that in um this internship. Um and I
[4:08] feel like the uh built environment and
[4:10] the complexities of working with it on a
[4:11] m municipal level um are extremely
[4:13] important to um any major um in like
[4:16] sustainability or um community
[4:18] development. And on Alana, she's going
[4:20] to um Miami University uh to study uh
[4:23] geography and environmental science and
[4:25] she has a um minor in GIS. And she was
[4:28] really drawn to the internship because
[4:30] of the uh GI
[4:32] because she wants to um uh gain
[4:35] experience in the public sector and um
[4:37] work in the uh the field which is really
[4:39] exciting for both of us. Um and then
[4:42] just like a brief overview of what this
[4:45] summer we over 250 out inspections uh
[4:48] which uh included filling out reports
[4:50] and documentation for each specific out.
[4:53] Um we performed some swimp inspe site
[4:55] inspections. We did sewer storm lateral
[4:57] inspections, downspout inspections, and
[4:59] then we did a site and conditions
[5:01] assessment of um properties on like the
[5:03] waterfront sandbar area of Lake Road and
[5:06] then created a um executive summary
[5:07] report of our findings there. And then
[5:10] we also worked a little bit on some CSC
[5:12] climate smart community uh research. Um
[5:15] and then we um performed some research
[5:16] into the residential um park districts
[5:19] and license agreements um and created
[5:21] someformational materials for them for
[5:23] the uh residents. Um and then Alana also
[5:25] worked on a mobile uh vendor permit and
[5:28] conservation board fly.
[5:31] Um just to start off uh for our alfall
[5:33] inspection project. This kind of spanned
[5:34] the entire summer. And um for those of
[5:37] you who don't know, the outfalls are um
[5:39] points where um from the storm drains
[5:41] from the streets in the neighborhoods
[5:43] drain into uh streams that then connect
[5:45] to uh places like the Bay or Lake
[5:47] Ontario. Um and what we're looking for
[5:50] during these inspections is like basics
[5:52] um uh conditions assessment like cracks
[5:54] or rusting or anything that's could go
[5:56] wrong with the flow of water through
[5:58] them. and we took pictures of each uh
[6:01] one that we did and looked at as builts
[6:04] for the easements of where the town uh
[6:05] where we could get to access to them
[6:07] through people's uh yards and and stuff
[6:09] like that. Um we uh utilize GIS and
[6:12] survey 123 for our inspections. And as
[6:14] you can see like from this map, it's a
[6:16] little confusing. It's kind of um a lot
[6:18] going on. So we tried to neaten it up a
[6:21] little
[6:25] and
[6:27] an example of like a neighbor
[6:29] kind of the same after
[6:32] kind of just like narrowed uh where the
[6:34] outfalls are, made it more specific for
[6:35] uh town function.
[6:38] Um we were uh swiping which are um we
[6:42] both received our uh 4-hour erosion and
[6:44] sediment control training um and then we
[6:47] just kind of went through the town um
[6:50] and inance with the storm water and
[6:53] sediment control practices. So we were
[6:54] looking at street cleanliness, silt
[6:56] socks, silt fences, uh uh the plant
[7:00] cover of each of these uh plots and the
[7:03] concrete wash out areas. And then kind
[7:06] of similar to that, we did the lateral
[7:08] and downspout inspections, which um go
[7:09] to each specific lots. And these are all
[7:12] both using survey 123, which is kind of
[7:14] new for the town at this scale where we
[7:16] uh kind of streamline the process of
[7:18] inspections a little bit. So that was
[7:21] and it was pretty help. So, uh, laterals
[7:24] are just for, um, connecting to the, um,
[7:27] the storm and sewer mains. And then, uh,
[7:29] for the downspouts are just on the sides
[7:32] of the, uh, built on the sides of the
[7:34] houses that, uh, for our, for water, uh,
[7:37] rainfall.
[7:38] And then we also use survey 123 again
[7:41] for the conditions assessments of Lake
[7:43] Road. So we took photos and did basic uh
[7:45] conditions um analysis through the
[7:47] questions that we had already
[7:48] established in a form. But using survey
[7:51] 123 really streamline the process for us
[7:54] and uh we found out where site
[7:56] conditions were good, site conditions
[7:57] were bad or poor and this will help uh
[8:01] in the assessors or um code enforcement
[8:03] to see what where there code violations
[8:05] or whether there's room for improvement
[8:06] on Lake Road. Um and then we of this we
[8:10] expected 61 properties along the road
[8:12] and then produced an executive summary
[8:14] report for the town to use in the
[8:16] future.
[8:18] And then for climate smart communities
[8:20] research, we kind of piggybacked on what
[8:22] the town has already been doing for that
[8:24] and kind of addressed some of the town
[8:25] board uh previous concerns or um and
[8:29] just kind of helped the town figure out
[8:30] what to go going forward with this. So,
[8:34] we figured out that the town had already
[8:36] completed like 82 to 239 um points
[8:39] towards the CSSE registration and
[8:41] certification which we think were on
[8:43] like the higher end of that. So, we only
[8:45] need 120 to be bronze certified or
[8:47] registered and um we kind of also went
[8:50] through some of the town board concerns.
[8:52] So, the cost for being involved because
[8:53] Webster has already completed most of
[8:55] the necessary actions to be involved. It
[8:57] would require pretty much no extra cost
[8:59] for us to register at least. Um and then
[9:02] that for the extra burden on the town
[9:03] staff, we've kind of queried other uh
[9:06] municipalities in the area that are
[9:08] either registered or certified and most
[9:11] of them have kind of taken the
[9:13] responsibility of the task force for the
[9:14] cse and given it to pre-existing boards
[9:18] like a conservation board or any other
[9:20] board they have. And we found that a lot
[9:22] of the municipality great success with
[9:24] that. So there wasn't really necessarily
[9:26] anything any for a lot of grant
[9:28] applications and a lot of the grants um
[9:31] were looking for things that made
[9:32] Webster stand out and one of the things
[9:34] that they looked at was cse
[9:36] certification or um
[9:39] boost our um eligibility for grants in
[9:41] the future.
[9:43] Um and then next I kind of uh went
[9:45] through um because we had some struggles
[9:48] with uh uh people having like pretty
[9:50] basic questions about park districts or
[9:52] license agreements. So, we thought it
[9:53] would be helpful for the town to create
[9:55] some brochures or someformational flyers
[9:57] for the residents to kind of go through
[9:59] and show uh what these things are
[10:03] because some most of the residents don't
[10:05] know they either live in a park
[10:06] district, they don't know about like the
[10:07] maintenance information of how that is
[10:09] and like the kind of tax with that. So,
[10:12] we thought these were both really
[10:13] helpfulformational um materials for
[10:15] residents to kind of gain clarity on
[10:18] that.
[10:19] And then Alana worked a lot on the
[10:21] mobile vendor permit, which we already
[10:23] have kind of a system for that. But this
[10:25] was targeted more towards mobile vendors
[10:27] who want to like pop up on uh town owned
[10:31] land, public land, and really streamline
[10:34] the process for uh and set a precedent
[10:36] for going going forward, what we could
[10:38] do with uh mobile vendors in the future
[10:40] that are separate from events or big
[10:42] widescale food truck um like events. And
[10:46] then she also worked on a conservation
[10:48] board flyer because a lot of town
[10:49] residents may not know that we have a
[10:51] conservation board or any other boards
[10:53] for that matter. So we thought that
[10:54] creating like a basicformational flyer
[10:57] would be really helpful there. And then
[10:59] at the end we just kind of want to go
[11:01] through our highlights. So Alana's
[11:02] highlights. She said that she gained a
[11:03] much better understanding of how a
[11:05] municipality runs and the relationship
[11:07] between the town and residents. and she
[11:09] thought it was really interesting to see
[11:10] all the different departments that work
[11:12] um together in the town and kind of go
[11:14] through the day-to-day practices of
[11:16] municipalities. Um we utilize a lot of
[11:18] survey 123 which is really cool and
[11:21] specifically for her cuz she's going
[11:22] into GIS field. She thought that was
[11:24] really a like helpful uh thing to glean
[11:27] some insight on. And then her uh for
[11:31] professional communications use
[11:32] formatting the executive summary report
[11:34] for Lake Road as an example. We did a
[11:36] lot of those kinds of you know computer
[11:38] work in the office which is really
[11:40] information like really helpful for any
[11:42] other jobs that we have going forward.
[11:44] Her favorite project was conducting
[11:46] research on the climate smart
[11:47] communities program and she also loved
[11:50] doing the outfalls. She liked looking at
[11:52] the different um places in Webster cuz
[11:54] she's not from she's from Victor so she
[11:56] really liked seeing the you know inner
[11:58] workings of a town that uh she had a lot
[12:01] didn't have a lot of information on. And
[12:03] then for me, I really really appreciated
[12:05] the different complexities of municipal
[12:07] infrastructure. For example, we went out
[12:08] with Keith one day to like go and see
[12:10] the pave the repaving of Bay Road. And
[12:13] you don't realize a lot of people don't
[12:14] realize how much goes into that uh into
[12:17] the coordination of those like projects.
[12:19] And that's a pretty small project on the
[12:21] scale of the town. So seeing how much
[12:24] comp like how complex all these inner
[12:26] workings are was really really
[12:27] fascinating and also got a holistic view
[12:30] of um coordinating with different
[12:32] departments and staff through our time
[12:33] here. So we didn't just you know seclude
[12:36] ourselves the engineering department
[12:37] went into planning and zoning and a
[12:39] little bit of code enforcement and all the other uh staff members that work
[12:42] here and then also just helped us uh you
[12:45] know basic office dynamics of you know
[12:48] working in the office with people work
[12:50] hours uh this is my first 40hour like
[12:53] workday that I've done so definitely
[12:55] like a wakeup call there and then you
[12:57] know [laughter]
[12:59] >> workforce skills like you
[13:02] save that information.
[13:03] >> It doesn't stop. It only gets worse.
[13:06] >> Really? Yeah.
[13:07] >> Yeah. But no, interesting. It was
[13:09] really, really fun. And um my key
[13:12] skills, I got introduced to GIS cuz
[13:14] unlike Alana, I didn't really have a lot
[13:15] of information in that. So, working with
[13:17] Brad was really, really cool to get a
[13:19] little bit of um like dip my toe in the
[13:21] water there. And then we just kind of
[13:23] improved our skills that we had like in
[13:25] Excel and research and compiling data,
[13:28] which I didn't really have a lot of
[13:30] experience with Excel either. So having
[13:31] that um was really really important too.
[13:34] And then my favorite project was the
[13:36] outfall project cuz I felt like it
[13:37] spanned the whole summer and then also
[13:40] kind of showed an actual uh thing that
[13:42] we could prevent like present to the
[13:44] town that would help you know in the
[13:46] future with GIS uh researcher formatting
[13:49] and survey 123 was a really big help
[13:50] with that. And then I really really
[13:52] liked application to like Webster
[13:54] specific um town projects like the seven
[13:57] brewer anything like that cuz I'm from
[13:59] Webster. So seeing the inner workings of
[14:01] the town specific stuff was really interesting and really really eye
[14:05] opening to me cuz I didn't really
[14:06] realize any of this was happening
[14:07] before. Um and then attending the town
[14:10] board meetings was really really
[14:11] rewarding because we got to see what we
[14:12] worked on in the office or heard about
[14:13] in the office come to fruition or um
[14:16] come to be presented to you guys which
[14:18] is really really cool. Um yeah and I
[14:21] think if there's any questions and I
[14:23] think then I'm I'm done. Thank you guys
[14:25] so much for the opportunity. Thank
[14:26] everyone here for the opportunity for
[14:28] this summer. It was a really really
[14:30] great experience.
[14:31] >> Thank you.
[14:32] >> I don't really have any questions. I
[14:33] just want to thank you for all your
[14:35] efforts and we've been um utilizing
[14:39] interns for a few years and um while you
[14:42] may benefit from it, I know the town
[14:44] benefits a great deal. um like with your uh your outfalls and updating the GIS system is
[14:55] a tremendous feat. So, you should be
[14:59] very proud of what you've done. Um both
[15:02] of you to
[15:05] >> Hey, covered a lot of ground.
[15:08] >> And I live right I grew up right down
[15:09] the street from Michael Drive.
[15:13] Yeah, I know a lot of the staff is
[15:14] already going through intern withdrawal.
[15:16] So obviously you guys made a very big
[15:18] impact
[15:19] >> on the out outfall project. What was
[15:21] your most interesting executive summary
[15:23] from that?
[15:24] >> Uh we didn't we kind of just compiled an
[15:26] Excel spreadsheet of all. Um so we have
[15:29] the list of the uh where they are in
[15:31] terms in terms of the neighborhoods and
[15:33] then this basic conditions assessment of
[15:35] those and we have to do those every 5
[15:36] years. So there wasn't really like big
[15:38] executive summary or like um like
[15:40] conclusion from that. It was just
[15:42] something that we had like routinely had
[15:43] to do which was it was cool.
[15:45] >> Did you find any issues? Were there any
[15:47] major defects or things that needed to
[15:50] be addressed in
[15:51] >> Yeah, it looked like one of the maps
[15:52] there was a lot of like discrepancies
[15:54] between
[15:54] >> Yes or no before. [laughter]
[15:58] >> For the record, the answer is no. And
[15:59] moving on,
[16:01] >> we didn't see a lot of issues just like,
[16:03] you know, some rusting in some areas and
[16:05] some outfalls, but nothing major that
[16:07] would have impacted the water flow of
[16:09] anything. So yeah, it was generally
[16:12] pretty good.
[16:12] >> What can make this intern experience
[16:14] better next year for future people?
[16:17] >> That's a good question. Um I don't know.
[16:19] I think that um from previous years
[16:22] we've heard that the interns kind
[16:27] is good, but I also really important to
[16:29] kind of get the different departments.
[16:32] So, we kind of branched out a little bit
[16:33] this year, but I also think that going
[16:35] with like, you know, code enforcement or
[16:37] going to see uh site inspections would
[16:39] be really really um cool and interesting
[16:41] to see. So, I don't know kind of just
[16:42] broadening the like continually
[16:45] broadening the uh scope of what the
[16:46] interns do,
[16:48] the things that they uh activities that
[16:51] they perform would be really really
[16:52] interesting. So, you guys are doing a
[16:54] great job.
[16:55] >> Would it be interesting for your
[16:56] internship perspective to like see other
[16:58] departments like highway or sewer or
[17:00] police? Would that understand the scope
[17:04] of the municipality for your engineering
[17:06] work?
[17:06] >> I think so. Yeah. I think um having
[17:08] given the uh interns more opportunities
[17:10] there would be really really cool and um
[17:12] we did kind of go to the highway
[17:13] department and the sewer department
[17:15] toward those and we had some like you
[17:17] know interactions with Pat and the guys
[17:19] over at the sewer department. So I think
[17:21] you like continually broadening that and
[17:23] getting more experience that way was
[17:25] really really good. But other than that,
[17:27] there's really um I can't really think
[17:30] projects and I think that's really helpful.
[17:32] >> Okay. Well, if either of you think of
[17:33] something, please let us know
[17:34] >> so we can always to John's point, keep
[17:36] improving this process, keep making it
[17:37] better.
[17:38] >> Definitely
[17:40] >> because we're old now and you're young.
[17:42] Finance could be another area of having
[17:44] an intern where you can go through
[17:46] because it's like the budget cycle is
[17:48] happening during the summer and that
[17:50] would be a great opportunity to
[17:53] >> work with every department and and get
[17:56] somebody with the
[17:58] >> but that might be a uh an accounting
[18:00] intern as opposed to an engineering one.
[18:02] So you're you're trying to steal you're
[18:04] trying to steal work for my accounting
[18:05] undergrads here essentially, right?
[18:07] >> Well, I think can can you do both? You
[18:09] can always
[18:10] >> We might need to expand the hours per
[18:12] week from 40 to 50 though. [laughter]
[18:16] >> 55 60
[18:18] shaking his head. No, no, no.
[18:22] >> Michael, thank you so much and thank you
[18:24] for presenting tonight. That's not easy
[18:26] to do. Um, and I'm sorry that you were
[18:28] kind of left alone to do it, but working
[18:31] through Thank you so much for what you
[18:33] could.
[18:35] Um, so just it's uh I'm sure it was eye
[18:39] opening for you and I think more younger
[18:42] folks kind of need to get a picture as
[18:44] to how a municipal government works
[18:46] because it's it's different.
[18:48] >> That was great.
[18:49] >> So who who did you report to, by the
[18:51] way?
[18:51] >> Was that who who did the interns report
[18:54] to? Who did we report to? Report.
[18:57] >> Who was your boss?
[18:59] >> Let's see. Um, they were kind of all our
[19:01] bosses. I would say we've reported
[19:02] mostly to uh Mark and Josh,
[19:06] which was really great. They were really
[19:07] great mentors and they really helped
[19:08] through uh the process a lot and um
[19:10] really helped keep us going through the summer. So, really appreciate that
[19:14] for
[19:14] >> Well, that's why I asked the question
[19:15] because I want to make sure that uh the
[19:17] two of you are recognized for keeping
[19:20] these young interns on schedule and
[19:24] making sure that they're doing something
[19:26] that's going to benefit the town's host.
[19:28] Thank you both of you. Also,
[19:29] >> I also want to shout out Erica too and
[19:32] every honestly everyone. There's a lot.
[19:33] There's Brad, Erica, Keith, every
[19:35] everyone was so helpful. So, it wasn't
[19:38] just them, but yeah, it was a pretty it
[19:39] was a pretty big group effort.
[19:41] >> Well, that's fantastic.
[19:42] >> Good to hear. Thank you.
[19:43] >> And good luck going back to school.
[19:45] >> Thank you.
[19:46] >> Yeah.
[19:47] >> Thank you.
[19:49] >> All right. Up next, uh the reason why we
[19:52] started early is uh we are going to be
[19:54] going over the presentation for the
[19:57] state environmental quality review for
[19:59] the Webster Transportation
[20:01] Infrastructure Project. And we want to
[20:02] make sure we have enough time uh to get
[20:05] through this done thoughtfully and
[20:06] purposefully um and do it right. So we
[20:10] have town engineer Keith Mortimer will
[20:12] be presenting and uh to answer questions
[20:16] uh afterwards we have him we have
[20:18] members of Kostich here and Lean Kimber
[20:21] we now Keith before you start because
[20:23] you've got a bunch to go through do you
[20:25] want us to ask as you go or do you want
[20:26] us to wait and ask at the reference?
[20:31] Um,
[20:35] I would say let's ask
[20:38] as we go.
[20:39] >> Okay.
[20:40] >> I think that's the best way to address
[20:42] this.
[20:42] >> Thank you.
[20:43] >> All right. So, uh, tonight um on our
[20:47] agenda is the uh next part of the uh EAF
[20:52] process as part of Seeker. Um, and it's
[20:55] the the fun uh full environmental
[20:58] assessment form part two. Um, this is
[21:01] going to be where, [clears throat] um,
[21:03] as a lead agency, you're going to sort
[21:05] of take an inventory of all the
[21:07] potential resources that could be
[21:09] affected by the, uh, project, which is
[21:12] the Webster transportation
[21:13] infrastructure project. And then at the
[21:15] end of this, um, the lead agency will
[21:17] have the ability to, um, identify the
[21:21] relevant environmental areas that may,
[21:24] um, or may not be impacted by this
[21:26] project. and we'll walk through through
[21:29] about 20 sections here very um
[21:32] expeditiously. Um there are probably six
[21:35] um specifically that we want to focus
[21:37] on. Uh and uh we'll get started, but
[21:41] just to kind of get your head around
[21:43] where we're at and take an opportunity
[21:45] to present this project to both uh the
[21:47] town board again as well as the
[21:49] community.
[21:51] So just this is the Webster
[21:53] transportation infrastructure project.
[21:55] Um, it was a project that was born out
[21:58] of a a grant that we received of about
[22:01] $9.3 million through Fast New York. It
[22:05] does include projects that are both in
[22:06] the um town of Webster and the village
[22:10] as well. Um, the town components are
[22:13] actually the Chyota Drive extension and
[22:16] the Bolter Industrial Parkway um
[22:19] extension. There is also a multimotal
[22:22] trail system um that will be going along
[22:25] a portion of Phillips Road. Uh and then
[22:28] there is some streets that are under the
[22:32] jurisdiction of Xerox which will um be
[22:34] ultimately dedicated uh to the village
[22:37] after this uh project is completed. At
[22:40] the very bottom of uh the slide here, we
[22:43] [clears throat] do show a very very high
[22:45] level um project schedule. we are
[22:48] squarely in the middle um towards the or
[22:51] even maybe a little bit past the middle
[22:53] of um detailed design. Um hence why
[22:57] we're where we're at tonight with this
[22:59] part two. Um we are intending to take
[23:03] design um near the end of this year. Uh
[23:07] we hope to start bidding this project
[23:11] again in the last month or um month and
[23:14] a half of the year. So somewhere around
[23:16] December um with an ideal construction
[23:19] start of um in early 2027.
[23:26] Right.
[23:32] All right. So let's So in your packet um
[23:36] earlier
[23:38] there were two pieces of information.
[23:42] One is called the full environmental
[23:44] assessment form. See if I can make this
[23:47] a little bigger.
[23:47] [cough and clears throat]
[23:52] And the other is actually what we call
[23:55] um some supplemental responses to help
[23:57] guide um why we answered the things the
[24:00] way the way maybe we did. Again, this is
[24:03] draft um in its nature, but it has been
[24:07] pre-filled out based on the um both the
[24:11] village, the town as well as our design
[24:14] team's um input and assessments. So, to
[24:17] help guide through this process, like I
[24:19] said, there are 20 categories. Um 14 of
[24:24] these categories have um actually very
[24:27] little or no um aspect to the project
[24:31] itself. and six of them may have um some component of impact that we want to
[24:38] talk to. So the first is impact to land
[24:41] use. I think [clears throat] this is
[24:43] somewhat um to be understood that we are
[24:47] um extending some roadway sections.
[24:49] We're actually doing some project work
[24:51] um both in the town and the village. It
[24:53] will have some impacts. Specifically um
[24:56] they do call out here um uh does the
[25:00] proposed action um may involve
[25:03] construction of land where depth of
[25:05] water table is less than 3 ft. We um
[25:08] conducted a thorough um evaluation of
[25:11] the water table and there was only one
[25:15] um location near Salt Road where we felt
[25:18] we may have it was deemed wet. Um but
[25:23] that was at a depth of three feet. Um
[25:26] and we do not believe that we will be
[25:30] getting anywhere close to that
[25:31] particularly in that area of of the
[25:34] project which is over which will be the
[25:35] Bolter Industrial Parkway project. We
[25:38] will keep all of our work above above
[25:41] that that three-foot um or that water
[25:43] table location. So you know there we're
[25:46] showing that we're going to have no or
[25:47] small um impact
[25:50] The other one that kind of led us to a
[25:52] yes on this situation is the proposed
[25:54] action which is C proposed action may
[25:57] involve the construction of land where
[25:59] bedrock is exposed or generally within 5
[26:02] ft of the existing ground. Again from
[26:04] our test pits in our our core our test
[26:07] pits we did identify um a couple of
[26:10] locations where the bedrock is somewhere
[26:12] in the 4ft range. Um again, this is over
[26:15] near the Bolter Industrial um parkway
[26:18] component. Um and our design will work
[26:22] to uh be above all of that and not
[26:24] impact that bedrock. So again, um no or
[26:28] small impact there. And then finally the the third thing that kind of maybe
[26:34] um lent us to saying yes to this was uh
[26:38] e the proposed action may involve
[26:40] construction that continues for more
[26:42] than one year or multiple phases. So we
[26:45] do envision that this will be a very
[26:47] expedited project. We are hoping that um
[26:51] actually we will bid all of these
[26:54] components of at the same time. We
[26:57] envision that they'll overlap. We think
[26:59] we can get our best pricing that way as
[27:01] well. So, um do we think that it could
[27:05] extend out beyond a one-year time frame?
[27:08] Absolutely. Um we do have a very um specific um agenda to get
[27:16] Bolter extension done within the year
[27:21] that we bid the project, but everything
[27:23] else should then follow shortly
[27:24] thereafter. So,
[27:26] >> a quick question on Bolter.
[27:29] >> What did your core samples reveal on uh
[27:31] on Bolter Industrial Parkway? Because
[27:34] >> I think it goes through next to the
[27:37] stadium and then extends out.
[27:39] >> Um
[27:40] >> I'm not sure that that that that roadway
[27:43] was when it was originally constructed
[27:45] was constructed
[27:47] um to New York State specifications.
[27:50] Right. Right.
[27:50] >> So, I imagine if that's correct that,
[27:54] you know, you're going to have to
[27:56] reconstruct that. And I don't know, you
[27:58] can help me out with this if that was in
[28:01] the original plan to do the
[28:02] reconstruction. If not, have you
[28:06] surmised what the additional cost is
[28:07] going to be for that?
[28:08] >> Yep. So, we we did um as part of this
[28:12] project, we did take some cores on that
[28:15] road. So we do know and we know that
[28:17] it's not up to a um a standard that with
[28:21] that will
[28:23] the long run
[28:25] service the that will that will
[28:29] it was not included in the in the grant
[28:32] application. So it's not a cost that and
[28:34] nor is it a design component of this
[28:36] particular project.
[28:38] We have um we are working with right now
[28:42] to at least
[28:45] identify a a long-term
[28:48] budgeted cost estimate. We don't have
[28:50] that quite established yet. Um but as
[28:54] part of um when we're working out our
[28:56] capital projects here in the town, that
[28:58] will be something that will roll up into
[29:00] that um into that cap that planning
[29:04] process. But I would expect that we'll
[29:06] have to address this within
[29:08] say two to three years of the opening of
[29:11] the extension.
[29:13] >> Okay. So just so I'm understanding of
[29:15] this. So if
[29:18] additional costs are going to have to be
[29:21] made to bring that up to you know New
[29:24] York State DOT code or standard that the town has to bear the cost on that or
[29:31] is it or is it
[29:32] >> I would think that either the town or we
[29:34] will look for other funding
[29:36] opportunities through grants. I worked
[29:38] I've already reached out to Maria about
[29:39] this as well to start looking for other
[29:41] opportunities there.
[29:43] >> Okay. Thanks. Sorry to interrupt.
[29:45] >> No.
[29:45] >> Yeah. I mean, you know, John, my
[29:46] understanding is there's some county
[29:48] road money that could be possibly going
[29:50] after, but now that Bolta Road is not
[29:52] going to be a county road,
[29:53] >> correct?
[29:53] >> So then we have to look for other
[29:54] things. So Keith, is there a a new
[29:57] expanding?
[29:57] >> Well, I mean, is this
[30:00] >> just other other costs that are going to
[30:01] come under the town's burden to bear? Is
[30:03] this the first of
[30:04] >> will be one of many?
[30:05] >> That's what I wanted to know. Thank you.
[30:07] One of many. Yep. I'm
[30:08] >> good answer.
[30:09] >> Uh uh Paul has already he's on me
[30:12] already. I've already missed my homework
[30:14] due date with getting him his capital
[30:16] budgeting
[30:18] information. I am but we are working on
[30:20] that. So yeah, there'll be um impact to
[30:22] geolog geological features and this is
[30:26] um
[30:28] we'll just read result in a modification
[30:31] or destruction or inhibit the access to
[30:34] a unique or unusual land form or um on
[30:37] the site. They have some examples there
[30:40] of cliffs, dunes, minerals, fossils and
[30:42] caves. We do not have any of that here
[30:44] on our project.
[30:47] Um impact to surface surface water. All
[30:50] right. So, this is a fun one, right? Um,
[30:53] we are, um,
[30:56] our primary impact, if you will, is that
[30:59] we do need to put in a culvert. Um, this
[31:02] is a culvert, um, over near Chyota and
[31:06] Panama. Um, and it is part of the
[31:08] extension of the Pan uh, of the Chyota
[31:11] Drive. So, it is a we do have a culver
[31:14] going in. Um and when we evaluate that
[31:19] it's
[31:21] um construction the design and its
[31:23] construction we'll we are doing
[31:25] everything um necessary toize the
[31:29] impacts whether it's um sedimentation
[31:33] um you know flow um you know what other
[31:38] um issues that we might encounter when
[31:41] it comes time to to install that
[31:43] culvert. So we recognize that we do
[31:47] impact it naturally by putting in this
[31:49] culvert, but we also understand um what
[31:52] we need to do to um mitigate those
[31:56] impacts and those impacts will be you
[31:58] know well or that mitigation will be
[31:59] well stipulated to whatever contractor
[32:02] that that gets this project as well. So
[32:04] when we go down through all of these
[32:06] items here, we then start showing up as
[32:09] them being either um minimal or no
[32:11] impact to the uh the impact to the
[32:13] surface water. Interesting enough, the
[32:16] stream that we are going to be um having
[32:20] to uh it actually will get rediverted
[32:23] slightly and then pl brought back into
[32:25] its new alignment. Um it is a type
[32:29] C stream. Um, and it is not a stream
[32:33] that is regulated by the DEEC. So, we
[32:36] we're we're clear of that. The culvert
[32:38] itself and the work associated with it
[32:42] is um something that the Army Corps of
[32:44] Engineers has purview over. We have our
[32:47] permit and design materials into them
[32:49] right now and we're just waiting for
[32:50] their feedback on that permit and we'll
[32:53] take that into account um as part of our
[32:56] uh follow-up design work.
[33:02] Okay. Impact to groundwater. Um we don't
[33:05] envision getting into any groundwater
[33:07] issues out there. Uh we won't and this
[33:10] would be any supply wells. Uh anything
[33:13] like that. We don't have any um
[33:15] potential for that on this project.
[33:18] Impact of flooding. We're not in a flood
[33:20] plane. We don't envision um impacting
[33:24] any kinds of of or or exacerbating any
[33:27] kind of flooding issues. Um I will
[33:30] indicate that we are this culvert in
[33:32] particular that's kind of drives a lot
[33:35] of this is um being designed
[33:38] um over capacity slightly so that we are
[33:41] taking into so we are taking into
[33:43] account sort of a more worst case
[33:45] scenario.
[33:49] All right impact to air and climate.
[33:52] Again this is a no. Um there's nothing
[33:55] about this project that should
[33:57] substantially increase um air pollution
[34:00] um as part of of of the general use of
[34:04] what we're doing out there.
[34:10] Impacts to plants and animals. Okay. So
[34:13] this is a
[34:16] this is also kind of what we call in
[34:18] your supplemental material on pages
[34:20] three or four at the bottom a proposed
[34:21] action as a results of loss of flora or
[34:24] fauna. We did say yes because just in
[34:28] natural we are extending two roadway
[34:31] systems through what is now um um vacant
[34:35] land if you will. But as part of that um
[34:42] we indicated under part one um is that
[34:45] there is no identified there are no
[34:47] species of rare or threatened or
[34:50] endangered of any type in this area
[34:53] um and there was no special concern or
[34:56] conservation need within the project
[34:58] limits. So in that we recognize that we
[35:02] are you know we are going through some vacant land but we have not there
[35:07] are no identified endangered species or
[35:09] anything that we would be impacting or
[35:11] impacting their habitat.
[35:13] >> Quick question.
[35:14] >> Yep.
[35:17] » How do you make that determination?
[35:20] Someone do site visits um gathering
[35:23] information
[35:23] >> that is yeah it's established
[35:25] information through the DEEC and we do
[35:27] that. We go through essentially that's
[35:29] the that's your first step is to walk
[35:32] through go to the DC and and look for
[35:34] those habit they have that all
[35:36] categorized and listed out for us.
[35:37] >> Okay. I was just curious.
[35:38] >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Um I do stipulate though
[35:43] we are as part of the Chyota Drive
[35:45] project.
[35:47] Um there is going to be um a relocation
[35:51] of the trail that leads from roughly the
[35:55] rec center to 250 which then turns into
[35:58] the bird song trail. We have also been
[36:01] working with the friends of Webster
[36:03] Trail on that realignment um and been
[36:07] taking in their input and feedback and I think we're in a good spot. They've
[36:11] we've met a couple of time with them,
[36:13] couple times with them, showed them a
[36:15] couple different alignments. We've got
[36:16] some agreement to that. So, um and and
[36:19] as part of our project, we've we've
[36:22] indicated that, you know, they have a
[36:24] character that they'd like to maintain
[36:26] along that trail system. So, we're going
[36:29] to work with them as well as probably um
[36:33] add some dollars into our an allowance
[36:36] into our our construction costs to
[36:40] um identify
[36:42] reveation where necessary to help that
[36:45] trail make that new trail system reflect
[36:47] the current character of the existing
[36:49] trail system.
[36:50] >> Thank you. That's important.
[36:51] >> And and with that, are are the friends
[36:54] doing the new trail or is the
[36:55] construction project creating that
[36:57] trail? That's part of our project. So,
[36:59] the construction project will um the
[37:02] this project will be responsible for the
[37:06] relocation of that trail system.
[37:08] >> Perfect. Thank you.
[37:09] >> Yep.
[37:12] All right. Moving on here.
[37:16] Uh impacts to aggro uh agricultural
[37:19] resources. Um we've got none of that
[37:22] here in the area of this project.
[37:26] um in impact to aesthetic resources. So
[37:29] again, land use for the proposed action
[37:32] obviously different from or what is in
[37:34] the shape or contrast to the current
[37:36] land use patterns between the proposed
[37:39] project and the scenic or aesthetic
[37:41] resource. Again, we felt this is a we're
[37:45] not having an impact on this. It's we
[37:47] are working within an urban environment.
[37:49] Um what we're doing is not out of
[37:51] characteristic for what you would expect
[37:53] to see in this environment. And as I
[37:54] mentioned in particular, the the trail
[37:57] system is is probably one of the key
[37:58] components that we want to make sure
[38:00] we're uh maintaining character and form
[38:03] and and function for
[38:09] uh impact on historical and
[38:11] archeological resources. Again, this is
[38:13] a no. Um and this is this comes straight
[38:15] out of um the New York State uh the
[38:20] Shipo if I knew what ship there it is.
[38:22] the state historic preservation office.
[38:25] They sent us a letter uh confirming that
[38:27] we are not um impacting any historical
[38:30] or archeological resources.
[38:34] Um impact on open space and recreation.
[38:37] Again, no. Um all of this is uh
[38:42] occurring within an urban environment.
[38:44] Um, again, probably the only the only
[38:47] big impact to this was going to be the
[38:49] trail. And again, we are that trail
[38:51] system is part of our our project.
[38:54] >> And and Keith, with that for the Bolter
[38:57] Road extension, how much forest and
[39:00] green space is really being
[39:02] removed as part of this?
[39:05] >> So, total between Chyota and Bolter,
[39:10] it's a little over four acres in total.
[39:12] >> Okay. Um the split between that
[39:17] probably
[39:19] three to one. Three being the uh bolter
[39:23] would you say? I'm getting a resounding
[39:26] yes back from the back of the room. So
[39:28] yeah, it's about a one to three. So
[39:30] Chyota is going to um impact about an
[39:33] acre of of land and the bolter extension
[39:36] is about three acres. Okay.
[39:38] >> Plus or minus.
[39:40] >> Yeah. And you know over then the Bolton
[39:42] extension you know as much as we want to
[39:43] preserve what we can it's not
[39:45] necessarily critical
[39:47] >> old growth vegetation.
[39:49] >> Yeah that's open yeah open land it's yeah previous Xerox
[39:56] >> property um
[39:59] >> yeah I I don't think we're
[40:01] >> um you know yeah I understand the
[40:03] preservation of open space and green
[40:05] space. I don't know that that's a
[40:07] >> that's right I agree with you like it's not a
[40:10] This project is very beneficial to
[40:12] Webster for its long-term economic
[40:13] growth
[40:14] >> at the tradeoff of not pristine or huge
[40:18] some huge ecological resource over
[40:20] there,
[40:20] >> right?
[40:20] >> That makes it
[40:21] >> Yep.
[40:22] >> We're always going to face this.
[40:23] >> Yep. Yep. That Yeah. And that's the
[40:25] balancing act.
[40:27] >> Um impacts to critical environmental
[40:31] areas. So, we've uh said no to this. Um,
[40:34] we don't see any of those based on the
[40:36] definitions of of what's being
[40:38] considered a critical environmental area
[40:40] as as being impacted.
[40:43] Um, impact on transportation
[40:47] just by the nature of this project. Yes.
[40:50] Um, but of course what we're planning to
[40:53] do is all to the benefit of the network
[40:55] and the transportation the
[40:57] transportation network. Um there are
[41:00] questions here that discuss um you know
[41:03] we aren't we don't this project starting
[41:06] with a isn't
[41:09] generating new traffic. It's only
[41:12] redistributing and providing other means
[41:14] of access to the area.
[41:17] Um
[41:18] the
[41:20] there a degradation in existing transit
[41:23] access at this point. you know, none of
[41:26] this network seems to have any transit
[41:29] um access at the time. So, that's
[41:30] certainly a a null.
[41:33] Uh proposed action will degrade the
[41:35] existing pedestrian bicycle
[41:36] accommodations. Actually, this project
[41:38] will improve those accommodations. Um
[41:42] this um project has a lot of multimodal
[41:46] um pathways um along much of of the the
[41:50] new infrastructure. So we feel that
[41:53] we're actually you know if this could be
[41:55] if that could have said I mean maybe we
[41:57] could have said yes to that actually
[41:59] because we are improving the uh the
[42:02] accommodations quite significantly as
[42:04] part of this project which was also a
[42:06] driver of the grant. Um proposed action
[42:09] alter the present pattern of movement of
[42:12] people or goods. Well naturally we would
[42:15] expect people to utilize the
[42:17] infrastructure that we put forward. Um
[42:20] certainly for the Bolter uh extension,
[42:23] we absolutely want to encourage that so
[42:26] that we are getting the larger vehicles
[42:28] that are now going to Basket Road um
[42:31] over to the Salt Road and get to the
[42:34] Salt Road interchange with 104, which is
[42:36] a much safer interchange for those
[42:38] larger vehicles to be using.
[42:42] Um impact on energy. We saw no sun
[42:46] nothing coming of this project that
[42:48] would uh change up the energy use in the
[42:51] area.
[42:52] Impact to noise, odor and light. This is
[42:56] the project itself once it's in
[42:58] functioning order won't have an impact
[43:01] but certainly during construction we can
[43:03] expect that there will be um noise, odor
[43:06] and light. Um certainly we will work
[43:09] with the contractor when we get into
[43:11] construction about how we mitigate those
[43:13] things. Um and a lot of that will just
[43:15] will occur from the from the sheer fact
[43:18] that they can only be doing work during
[43:20] certain times of the day and certain
[43:22] days of the week.
[43:23] >> And Keith of that I'd imagine in terms
[43:25] of noise it it's kind of relevant
[43:27] because the noise when Xerox was
[43:28] operating at full capacity is probably
[43:30] way noisier than it will be.
[43:32] >> Busier. Yeah.
[43:34] And noisier too than how many thousands
[43:36] of people
[43:37] >> you probably remember.
[43:38] >> And and the nice thing about this is the
[43:40] area
[43:40] >> busy. Not noisy though. Xerox wasn't
[43:43] noisy.
[43:44] >> Busy. Not noisy.
[43:45] >> Okay.
[43:46] >> The I I will say and the area the
[43:49] general area around here is not
[43:51] substantially residential where we're
[43:53] working where our work is occurring
[43:55] properly, you know. So I we we're well
[43:58] away from those kinds of
[44:00] >> and there's there's no right there's no
[44:02] plans to make those areas residential
[44:05] either there would be a problem would
[44:07] there be
[44:08] >> I mean I'm not aware of any specific
[44:10] plans within the immediate future you
[44:12] know not not within the the the timeline
[44:14] that this project will be under
[44:15] construction
[44:16] >> in the immediate vicinity. Yeah. Okay.
[44:17] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're
[44:20] planning on getting in and out of here
[44:21] in less than two years. So
[44:23] >> nice. Good. That's our
[44:26] um
[44:28] impact on human health. So we checked
[44:31] yes [clears throat] to this um but to to make it clear that this project
[44:41] is well aware of the environmental
[44:44] concerns and issues that surround and we
[44:46] know that we're working in areas where
[44:48] you know certainly Xerox has various
[44:53] have a lot of um management plans and
[44:56] we've been working with Xerox very
[44:58] closely about what those are, how we um
[45:02] work through those, work around those. I
[45:04] mean, it is it was as minute as where we
[45:09] could take cing and if we came across
[45:12] certain types of soils or things that
[45:16] looked a certain way, you know, how that
[45:19] stopped and how we had to address those
[45:21] situations. So the good thing
[45:25] to acknowledge we're working in a in an
[45:28] area where there is you know um some
[45:30] environmental concerns from the Xerox
[45:33] perspective from all of our work. Our
[45:37] work isn't in any of those zones that
[45:41] they've identified as being truly
[45:43] contaminated as I guess how I'll put it.
[45:46] Um they are there on their campus right
[45:50] yellows and reds and things like that.
[45:54] Um also our cores um that the cing that
[45:58] we did none of themated
[46:01] in any areas that we're going to have
[46:03] we're in a in a contaminated zone. So we
[46:06] know very and we know very well um you
[46:09] know when it comes doing deep
[46:13] >> and so Keith that it was you know it was
[46:14] my understanding it was explained to me
[46:15] that with that this project is this form
[46:18] is tailored to just we're doing the
[46:20] roads.
[46:20] >> Yeah.
[46:20] >> So all that stuff even though if it may
[46:22] be true overall that's not we're doing
[46:25] here. This is very focused to just these
[46:27] redoing these roads or putting some new
[46:29] roads in.
[46:31] >> Full stop.
[46:32] >> Right.
[46:32] >> Other stuff valid but not impacted here.
[46:34] >> Right. Right. Yep. Yep. Right. Exactly.
[46:37] >> Perfect. Thank you.
[46:41] » All right. Then I think we get into some
[46:43] no here. So consistency consistency with
[46:47] community plans.
[46:49] This is kind of a double no situation.
[46:52] So we are um so the proposed action is
[46:55] not consistent with adopted land use
[46:58] plans. So we're saying no to this. We
[47:01] are consistent. It took about
[47:05] two planners, four engineers to figure
[47:07] out how to answer this question.
[47:09] [laughter]
[47:12] We It was a Yeah. Uh consistency with
[47:16] community character. The proposed
[47:18] project is consistent with the existing
[47:20] community character.
[47:23] >> Inconsistent.
[47:23] >> It is,
[47:24] >> but it's a no.
[47:25] >> And you can see like once again, they
[47:26] went from like the double negative to
[47:27] inconsistent. Yeah. They could have been
[47:29] like, now that you figured out the prior
[47:30] 17, they could have let you be like, all
[47:32] right, I know the answer.
[47:34] >> Yeah. Could I move on?
[47:35] >> Yeah. Now they're like, let's let's
[47:36] change the words here to make this now,
[47:38] >> right?
[47:38] >> Equally confusing,
[47:40] >> right? Again, four engineers, two
[47:42] planners,
[47:44] couple other people, and we had to
[47:46] figure out how to answer these
[47:47] questions.
[47:48] >> Um impact on disadvantaged communities.
[47:52] No. Um this was pretty straightforward
[47:54] response.
[47:56] And then finally, future physical
[47:58] climate risks. Um, the proposed project
[48:01] may be vulnerable to future physical
[48:03] climate risks or increase the
[48:05] vulnerability of human or ecological
[48:07] communities to the future of physical
[48:10] climate risks. And we said no, that this
[48:13] is a strictly a road project and we are
[48:16] not doing anything uh above and beyond that that would send us into a
[48:22] risky situation.
[48:25] All right.
[48:27] >> So, you guys have just gone through
[48:29] parts.
[48:30] >> So exciting. Thank you, Keith.
[48:31] >> I know.
[48:32] >> Nice.
[48:33] >> How many? Very thorough.
[48:34] >> How many more do we have left?
[48:35] >> You have just this one. This is all This
[48:38] is what I needed to present with you
[48:41] tonight. Um I believe our next steps
[48:44] will be um this helps you assess and
[48:47] understand the impacts of the project.
[48:50] Um on the 3 there will be a resolution
[48:54] um for the board to make aation
[48:58] um on this project as the lead agency.
[49:02] >> So when you envision the RFP being sent
[49:04] out
[49:07] >> the project
[49:09] well I don't know if we've gotten that
[49:10] far yet with completely understanding
[49:12] how we if we would break up the project
[49:14] or not. Um,
[49:18] but RFPs will go out, I'm going to say
[49:22] December,
[49:24] beginning in the beginning part.
[49:26] >> Okay. I appreciate you bringing up the
[49:29] potentially breaking up the project
[49:32] because it's my understanding that if
[49:34] you break it up or it's already been
[49:36] broken up that the money's allocated to
[49:39] that aspect of the project. If you don't
[49:42] do it, you can't shift that money to
[49:44] another aspect. You are correct.
[49:45] >> Another area of the of the project.
[49:47] >> Yes, you are correct. Yeah, we are we
[49:50] are beholden to sort of the the groups I
[49:54] call them of monies as they're you know
[49:56] are categorized within the within the uh
[49:59] um within the grant. So I I mean I I
[50:03] think it would be the my personal bector
[50:10] that was doing all of it. Um only
[50:13] because it would give us a consistency
[50:16] across people dealing
[50:20] with.
[50:21] We'll have to kind we're gonna have to
[50:23] have discussion that about if this break
[50:26] it up and do the you know does the the village road
[50:32] similar component um and how that works
[50:36] and the
[50:38] component
[50:40] nature in construction
[50:43] uh scope so but we have to yeah more to
[50:46] >> I I I agree 100% with you
[50:50] from the aspect of having one contractor
[50:54] because then you do have consistency
[50:57] which and cons
[50:59] very important.
[51:00] >> Yep.
[51:01] >> So certain aspects of the project don't
[51:04] get siloed and you're doing you have the
[51:08] same general contractors overseeing the
[51:10] subcontractors. I think that's very very
[51:13] important.
[51:14] >> Yeah. Well, if I understand what I'm
[51:16] hearing,
[51:17] >> it's also very important for the funding
[51:19] because losing any part of the grant
[51:21] funding because something changed along
[51:24] the way is quite risky.
[51:26] >> No, I you're 100% right and which is why
[51:29] I'm very concerned
[51:32] and
[51:34] that show it's not to the standard it
[51:37] needs to be and if you have to dig that
[51:40] up and put new base stone and that you
[51:46] And I don't even know if curbing is
[51:48] required for that roadway because I
[51:50] don't believe there currently is any
[51:53] curbing.
[51:54] >> So it it could be very very expensive.
[51:57] >> Well, so uh just to be Yeah, just I
[52:01] guess just to clarify. So the B
[52:06] only up to the point where that roadway
[52:10] starts, right? Y
[52:11] >> so a future project in the near future
[52:15] I' needs to be developed or or needs to
[52:18] be thought about um for the rest of that
[52:21] and again that's the planning that needs
[52:24] to be
[52:24] >> started
[52:27] now what those costs are um and again
[52:30] we've got a we've got a design team with
[52:33] us that's you know able to help us start
[52:35] that planning process and give costs
[52:39] what we're in for and what we need to
[52:41] deal with here in the next two or three
[52:43] years.
[52:43] >> Well, it's good to you're ahead of it
[52:45] though. That's
[52:46] >> Yeah,
[52:46] >> today I am. [laughter]
[52:49] >> And you had mentioned the uh Army Corps
[52:52] of Engineers. We're still waiting on
[52:53] them for the Culveride that do we have
[52:56] to delay? I would say that what we're
[52:59] waiting for them to come back with is a
[53:03] um concurrence
[53:06] um andor feedback with concurrence on
[53:10] how we're proceeding with crossing this
[53:14] stream.
[53:15] But the fact that we're going to move
[53:17] forward with a project that ultimately
[53:20] has to cross the stream to make it work,
[53:23] you know,
[53:25] understanding that we're we're doing
[53:27] everything we can to impact that stream
[53:29] and do processes and that will will will
[53:34] minimize
[53:36] eliminate any of say no. I would say
[53:40] we're safe to go forward with a with a
[53:42] declaration at that point.
[53:44] >> Okay. Thank you.
[53:47] >> The traffic study in there and a lot of
[53:49] this is fair life traffic.
[53:53] I would say.
[53:56] >> Okay.
[53:57] >> No. Um, so we did the trip generation.
[54:01] Um the what we we we took the BOA that's
[54:06] been approved this area
[54:09] made some some high level assumptions
[54:12] with our traffic team our traffic analys
[54:20] um based on what was identified for that
[54:23] BOA. So it includes some mixed use, it
[54:26] includes, it includes some housing, it
[54:31] includes some I think some recreational
[54:34] things. Anything that was in that BOA,
[54:36] we tried to take into account in a on a
[54:38] high level develop
[54:41] trip generation or traffic for
[54:45] that to um assessment.
[54:51] So certainly and fair life is the most
[54:55] specific that we know. Right.
[54:57] >> And that's clear that's clear into like
[54:58] we know that that's not a like
[55:00] hypothetical like 1100 apartments might
[55:02] go in there theoretically.
[55:04] >> Right. Right. And we reconfirm with
[55:06] Fairlife. So a traffic study was done as
[55:09] part of their environmental um impact
[55:12] statement going through this this same
[55:15] process that we're going through here
[55:17] tonight.
[55:19] We took their information that they used
[55:22] um and reverified with them to make sure
[55:26] that there wasn't anything like oh you
[55:29] saw an
[55:32] uptick in
[55:34] one type of traffic or another type of
[55:35] traffic or something's changed that you
[55:38] know may have you know may have evolved
[55:40] as part of their project and uh they
[55:42] came back and um
[55:46] actually they came right in and said it
[55:49] was either what we had was was um right
[55:52] on target.
[55:54] >> So that with that the bolt for the
[55:57] current planning, right?
[55:58] >> Yeah. For well and we also we know too
[56:00] that like we think the bolter extension
[56:02] will be very popular for when the ball
[56:05] fields are in um use, you know, we
[56:08] understand that that uh you know that
[56:12] those get quite heavily very popular.
[56:15] Um,
[56:18] you know, we've we've taken we've gone
[56:21] as far with our our um with our design,
[56:24] I can tell you on the Bolter extension
[56:27] that we could either discourage people
[56:31] from parking along the edge of that road
[56:34] because been a
[56:36] herb
[56:38] could have made it a a um a uh a
[56:43] shoulder that could withstand having
[56:46] vehicles parking along it and parallel
[56:48] parking. So, um just knowing parking in
[56:52] is a premium and the popularity of those
[56:54] ball fields and stuff, we chose to go
[56:56] with the route of we'll work with we'll
[56:59] work with the devil we know and we'll make it accommodatable for for
[57:03] vehicles to park along the edges of
[57:05] Bolter.
[57:07] >> Okay. Because we're thinking there won't
[57:08] be much truck traffic during ball game
[57:10] time then.
[57:11] >> I mean I there
[57:14] would be there's trucks going in and out
[57:16] of there.
[57:17] >> Yeah, I I'd have to look back at what
[57:19] their you know I think their peak
[57:21] periods are and actually I think their
[57:24] periods of of tractor trailer traffic
[57:26] are slightly off from commuter pe
[57:29] periods and stuff as well. But I it's
[57:31] pretty consistent
[57:33] >> traffic is there while they're trying to
[57:34] use those fields as a
[57:36] >> Yeah. Well, and and here's the other
[57:38] thing is the the school district which
[57:40] we are working with as part of all this.
[57:42] They also have intentions of building um
[57:47] relocating some of their
[57:50] well off road as well.
[57:51] >> Okay, good.
[57:52] >> So they have their own M plan will
[57:56] working with and so we're just trying to
[57:59] make sure that we are also in
[58:01] conjunction with them in accom
[58:04] >> projected traffic flow and pattern and
[58:06] use for the Chyota drive extension,
[58:09] >> you know.
[58:12] I don't have the traffic study in front
[58:14] of me here, right? [laughter]
[58:16] Is it in our stuff? Is it in our stuff?
[58:18] >> It may have been in our stuff. Yeah.
[58:20] I think it is. I But I um
[58:23] >> it's not
[58:24] >> And you can get back You can get back to
[58:25] me if you want.
[58:25] >> Yeah, I Yeah, I could I Well, I could
[58:27] tell you this.
[58:28] >> The envision for that is very is local,
[58:31] right? A lot of local traffic. I don't
[58:34] It's not envisioned to be thousands of
[58:36] vehicles a day kind of a thing. and the
[58:38] way and the character of that roadway
[58:40] and the way we're designing that we it's
[58:43] to be a village feel, right? It's not to
[58:46] have a it's not to be felt like it
[58:49] should be used as a a collector or or
[58:52] something like really just to support
[58:54] the local transportation network. It's
[58:56] not a and it's to have more of a village
[59:00] feel from the village into
[59:03] and vice versa.
[59:07] Any other thoughts? Just curious. Yeah.
[59:09] Thank you.
[59:09] >> So, this question is is me getting down
[59:11] in the weeds, and I apologize for it. If
[59:14] you can't answer, I completely
[59:15] understand.
[59:16] >> I got people here in the room that might
[59:17] help me.
[59:18] >> There we go. Call them up.
[59:19] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[59:19] >> But given the magnitude and the weight
[59:22] of the trucks from Fairlife that are
[59:25] going to be servicing that road. I guess
[59:28] my question is, are we designing that
[59:31] road to hold the capacity?
[59:34] >> Yes. long term given the weight of these
[59:37] trucks and the volume of these going
[59:43] » since that's the main driver for doing
[59:46] this.
[59:47] >> So we you know Yes. And and we are
[59:49] designing
[59:51] >> um Yes. not not only the the actual
[59:56] structural uh capacity of the road but
[59:59] also the um curb radiuses say to
[1:00:04] accommodate you know those vehicles. So
[1:00:06] uh a northbound
[1:00:08] >> truck on Salt Road making that right
[1:00:11] turn um you know that curb rate if you
[1:00:14] look at the plans and you're like wow
[1:00:15] that's kind of funky the way that curb
[1:00:16] is there. Well, it's there purposely
[1:00:18] because
[1:00:19] >> that tractor trailer has a certain
[1:00:21] turning radius that needs to be
[1:00:22] accommodated.
[1:00:24] >> And the lucky and we're and a lot of
[1:00:26] that is
[1:00:28] >> um we've mimicked exactly what was done
[1:00:32] as part of the ta uh table road
[1:00:34] reconstruction project. So we have a lot
[1:00:36] of good experience that that geometry
[1:00:39] that's being accommodated for table road
[1:00:41] from basket we now are just translating
[1:00:44] that down to salt.
[1:00:45] >> Okay.
[1:00:46] I I just asked that question because I
[1:00:48] know there's there's a there's a village
[1:00:50] um about an hour from here where they
[1:00:54] redirected 18-wheeler trucks from going
[1:00:56] down a certain street for decades and
[1:01:00] then for some reason
[1:01:02] they took a sign down and trucks have
[1:01:05] just torn up that street and it's one of
[1:01:07] the main arteries in that village.
[1:01:09] >> Yeah.
[1:01:09] >> So I that's what kind of prompted that
[1:01:11] question but it's a great answer. I'm
[1:01:13] glad that they're going down that route
[1:01:14] to uh design
[1:01:16] taking into consideration.
[1:01:18] >> Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.
[1:01:19] >> The number and weight of the vehicles.
[1:01:21] >> Yep. As Councilwoman Wright said, that's
[1:01:23] kind of our purpose here for a lot of
[1:01:25] this. So,
[1:01:26] >> why we're here.
[1:01:27] >> Yep. Yep. [cough]
[1:01:30] [clears throat]
[1:01:31] >> All right.
[1:01:32] >> That's all I had.
[1:01:33] >> All right. Yeah. Keith, thank you for
[1:01:36] you guys.
[1:01:36] >> Thank you so much.
[1:01:37] >> Thank my the team in the back, too.
[1:01:40] >> To your team.
[1:01:41] >> They're the brains. Really?
[1:01:43] >> Yeah. No, they've done a terrific job.
[1:01:45] So, uh I will close up the uh town
[1:01:48] workshop and I will see you back 7:30.